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that the Report of 18 t 3 should be reprinted, if
necessary. there could be no necessity to &tails
the House.
'Sir Hamar I'A.snELL did not press the House
to a diri. .

OFFICE OF CLERK OF THE PEACE IN

IRELAND.

Mr. CA I.CRA FT. iii the absence of a Right Flan.
Friend of his (Sir Joho Newport). hrgg.d to
move for letter to bring in a Bill so regubtte the
Office of Cleek of the Peace in Ireland.—Leave
given, and Mr. Calcraft and Sir John Newport up.
pointed to prepare and bring in the Bill.

CIVIL. LIST, REVENUE, AND EXPF.NDITURE.
Mr. Hume ►aid, that he was persuaded the oh.
jection which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
made to the production of the pigpens moved fur
by the lion. Baronet, would not be applicable to
time fur which he now intended to move. The
House woald certainly he anxious to obtain all the
information on this important subject, before pro-
ceeding to settle the revenue of the Sovereign per-
-111:111C11,1y. The Report alluded to by the Right
Hun. Gentleman contained the information up to
ISIS, and what he wanted was is continuation of
the accounts up to the .sth January, 18-20. The
Ilat year only to contain all the detailed state-
ments. This would be sufficiently satisfactory
to Gentlemen who desired to become acquainted
with the subject, and at the same time could
not but abridge the trouble of making out
the accounts. Since the year 1816, when the
expenditure was placed in classes, con►itterable
changes had taken place. Several autos, to is
large ansouut, at the suggestion of Committers of
that House, had been transferred from the Civil
List to the Consolidated Fund. Perhaps Gentle-
men would, on examination, see good grounds to
alter this arrangement. Since the accession of his
late Majesty, it appeared the Civil List expendi-
ture• had been fifty-three millions, exclusive of
nine millions which had been transferred to the
Consolidated Fund. " I see no good reason,"
continued the Hon. Gentleman, '1 for the exist-
ence of such an anomaly, as that you, Sir, should
receive 1,500/. per annum under the second class
of charges, and the ►emaining amount of your re-
muneration from another." The Hon. Gentleman
proceeded to state, that some officers were paid
wider as many as five or six differeut classes, an ar-
rangement which be could not imagine would
answer ally purpose, excepting that of preventing
friossouroble Members from examining or even uu-
derstatitling accounts made up with 110 11113C11 com-
plexity. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would not persist in his oppussitiou to the pro-
duction of papers which were so material, in his
opinion, to be laid before them before they ought
to conclude the proposed arratigesuesit. The lion.
Gentlema, here stated the vitriol,* recounts which
he wished to have laid before the House, which lie
divided into three classes, the first of which was oil
✓ecount of the Civil List Expenditure, from the
th January, 1815, to the sth January, 1820, and
in the last year of such account the payments to
be ►tated in deed. He wished also for a separate
✓ecount of charges formerly paid out of the Civil
List, but from which the Civil List had been re-
lieved. The House would recollect that the esti-
mates for the Civil List of 1786, and also those of
1804, had. in both instances. been exceeded.
The CHANCELLuiI of the EXCHEQUER rose and
said, that since the Act of 1816 all the paymessir
had been perfectly regular, and he really could not
see the necessity for putting in a new furor that in-
formation which. was in oubatasice already in the
possession of the House. lie must therefore move
the previous (proton.
Mr. RUHR *iplird the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would name the place where ally of the papers
which he sought for could be found. He p►ofrss-
ed lie knew not where to find the information which
he wished for. He said that this was certain. that
one million three hundred thousand pounds had
been voted to make sit, the deficiency of the Civil
Lists us settled in 17146 sod 1804. He hoped the
House would woad his endeavours to obtain the
documents which he wished for, as. unless he pro-
cured the first account which lie had mimed, his
subsequent motion would be useless.
Mr. Hussman said, that he had the great au-
thority of Mr. Fox quite in point on this subject.
lie (Mr. Fox) had stated, that unless the Crown
came to Parliament to make up for any excess or
expenditure beyond the estimate,. they were not at
liberty to call for an account gone by. Now there
hail been no excess of expenditure since the year
1816. At that time provisiou was merle. that al-
though there might an temps of expenditure ariw
which might he insde up from other futttla of
which there was is surplus, yet au account of such
excess should be laid 'refine Porhaniewt. It was
clear, therefore, that there could be no excess ; and
that being she case, it was equally clear, agreeably
to the authority he had quoted, as well as the coil•
►taut practice of the House, that it was quite incon-
sistent to call for a detailed 'statement, such as the
Hun. Gentleman desired. The different heids of
expenditure had all of them, since the year -1816,
been kept within the estimate. The Hum Gen-
tleman had therefore nothing to do but to take the •
estimate as it there was on the table. and its abr.
ferret columns would afford him all the informa-
tion which lie ought to require. He certair.ly could
not think it was at all necessary in gratification of
the Hon. Gentleman's curiosity to call for a detail.
eel statement from the Lord Steward's Department
of the quantity of wine which had been consumed
in any given period—/Hen./—unless, as be before
observed, there had been an exceeding in that este-
blishment, which there was not the slightest ground
to imagine had been the case.
Mr. Trattrier said, the Hon. Gentleman who
just eat down had argued as if this was a question
of modification of a Civil List which was su exist-
ence; but the question really was to tasks an entire
new Civil I.ist, and before his Hum Friend could
agree to the one now to he proposed, he wished fur
full information on the subject, which, as it was a
eettlesaieut of the revenue of the Crown on the coin-
increment of a new reign, he must think it highly
necessary to be obtained. When they were told
that the Civil List would not exceed that of the
year 1816, must they of isecesaity agree that it was
therefore right ? Certainly nut. Tory were called
upon to make a uew arraugeaswea, and he thought
it most important now to make such 'overnice.
sou as would preclude the necessity of hereafter
going into what was certainly ■ subject of great

delicacy. The Right non. G. utleman opposite
had asserted. that there was no excess of tattiest.
(Inure since the year 1916, and he (Mr. Tier.
ney) was lierfecily willing to take his word on the
subjeci ; hut his Hon. Friend wished to know nut
only that, but also if all the money bad been sc.
Wait! spent. Knowing. as be dui, Noe ecoweay
and exactitude which prevailed in the noble person
at the head of the department of the Lord Steward,
be certainly could not figure to himself the possi-
bility of the emu appropriated for it being exceeded.
But how, if they had voted inure than was necessary?
He was pretty certain that no provision had Wen
made in that Act its to • surplus, and if the Lied
Steward should have a balance in his bands. he
would nut know how to dispose of it, and he
might have a large balance; for he would put a
case, which, without intending any disrespect to the
Throne, lie would say might possibly occur. It
was possible that there might he a Sovereign ou
the Throne, who, instead of expending the money
voted in upholding the dignity of it, by a display
of magnificence suitable to his high station, would
prefer to have the money rather than incur the ex-
pense. It was therefore an important fact to ascer-
tain that whit was voted was absolutely uecevaaryii
In reply to the Right Hon. Gentleman's application
of Mr. Fox's authority, he would say that there WOll
now 110 Civil List in existence, and that the Crown
did now conic to make a demand by applying for a
new Civil List, so that the authority (puled by the
Right lion. Gentleman could not avail him in this
instance. Ile concluded by saying, that they
would not be doing their duty to the country, un-
less they procured the fullest information prior to
making a permanent settlement.

Mr. Hustttsson and the CHANCELLOR of the
EACH LQUIR spoke a few words 111 explanation.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, was of opinion, that the
Wow ought not to vote the new Civil List esta-
blishment on the grounds which had been stated
by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite. Ile did not
know if the .node pursued by the lion. Gentleman
who •ed for the wipers was the proper mode ;
but he was clear that the method prescribed by fbli-
nisters was not the way in which the House of Com..
ought to legislate on such a question at a time
of great public distress like the present. Ile thought
the House would do its duty extremely ill if they
did not procure all the information essential to a
settlement of matters of such great importance.
Mr. HUHN begged to observe, that although the
Civil Lists of 1786 and 1804 had been arranged
and classed, yet they had both exceeded the esti-
mates. Ile would Moo beg of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer to point out where the information which
he sought for could be obtained. He would assert
that It was no where to be found.

No answer was given to this question of the
flout Gentleman, slid the gallery was (dittoed fur a
division, but it did not take place.

On OW MtUrn we foiti,d--:

Lord Alit.Tou on his legs. He was arguing
against. the now fixing the estimates for a pe►ma.
neat revenue. He said that under the present cirw
cumstances of the currency of the country, it was
soot pos►ible to say what was the value of a pound
sterling ; and lie was almost inclined to say that
they ought to pause before they attempted, under
such circumstances, permanently to fix the Civil
List Revenue ; but at least he would say that
they ought most maturely to consider on what
basis it ought to be formed. It was now nearly
half a century since the subject was brought before
the House for its full consideration. All the dia.
cus►ions which had slime taken place were mere
modtlications of that settlement. He would wish
gentlemen to compare the speech of Mr. Burke
with the Bill which lie was afterwards enabled to
carry throtigh Parhameut, and they would be
struck with the disproportion between the grand
views developed in the former, compared with
what he was enabled to attar by the latter.—
The Noble Lord went on to ask if this was not the
proper time to see what was to he done with the
Duchy of Lancaster, and to do away with that gross
anomaly of a Chief Justice of Chester sitting and
voting an that House. The Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite had said that it was the general expects-
tioti that a great increase would take place in the
Civil List. Ile (Lord Milton) supposed that it was
the expectation of the Right Honourable Geotleinan
and his friends near him : so true it was that our
expectations generally arose from our wisher.
Mr. Lotto said a few words in explauation of
something which occurred during the time we were
absent from the gallery.
Mr. Hume twined the Act of Parliament by
which a classification was enjoined of the Civil
List's exprothiiire of 1786 end 1804. . .

Mr. HiUSKISSoN rose and said, to save the Time
of the House, he would admit that the Act to which
the Hon. Member hail called their attention (Mr.
Burke's Act) did direct a classification of the
expenditure, but it was only in 1816 that the whole
was 1,0 inttliuiluzeil and arranged as to afford a CJlU-
',tete Security against irregularities.

The House then divided. The numbers were—

Fur the previous quesiius. ll3
Fur Mr. Hoses Motiuu

Majority 53
When we returned to fur gallery we found
Mr. Hour on his legs. He repealed his (inner
assertion, that the accounts he was asking fur were
not to be found in any of the returns before the
House. He yet had received no answer to this ties
duration. Ile wanted the details, to enable him
to point out the absurdity of many items of
ex-
penditure in their present appropriation. There
wall.) item in the seventh class of 1,3721. for the
Master of the Horse ; another item of 1,5004 for
the edema. of Persia* (we believe the Honour-
able Gentleman said) youths; and soother item of
21441. for plate for the Speake►. He put it to the
House whether these sums did not of themselves
shrw the necessity of more rigorous inquiry. and
the consequent necessity of having the details for
which he was asking. After a few more remarks
he moved for the accounts contained in the third
part of his motion.
Tilt CIi•NCIILLUR of the EXCIISQUIIII moved
the previous question.
Mr. He'll.* motion was then negatived without
a division.
Mr. flume then moved for an account of the
abstract suns graiitid out of the Consolidated Food
in emits to toe Royal Family. and iu aid of the
civil rxpendnu►r, from 1.15 to Mig•
The CHANCBLLOR of the EU:SEQUIN. moved