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fri}rd,--, on the average were not able to cope with Ault.e.l-ssliipi of the cla..s. • `,.."%,
,Vtseount, E I.V L ob.icavel, in answer to the tern--
din< of 04 Noble Earl. that et:malty in :de Naval Department
had been gr.:tio:d. With re-pevt to ship-: of the force stated by
fire Nolsio Earl, his :litjesly's ship.; were considered equal to
the ships of the United States, and there was nu particular desire
to have them of a superior force.
The Earl of DARNLEY expr,-sed himself satisfied with the
Noble Viscinint's explanation, and the subject dropped.
The oilier Oiders of the Day having been discussed, the House
adjourned.

wEnteEsuaT, Jtrix 19.
BANK Emu;Emus 151 Li. —Lord LAUDERDALE pre-
sented a petition from Alexander Tilloch, praying to be heard by
Counsel against the Bill to prevent Bank I:orgerles. The peti-
tioner claimed to he heard on the ;;round that the Commissioner
appointed to examine into the best means of preventing Bank
orgories had adopted his invention. The Noble Earl snored,
that Counsel be called to the Bar anal heard.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL opposed the motion. There
could be no difficulty in deciding upon this question. The fre-
quency of capital punishment fallowing the crime of forgery bad
rendered it desirable to prevent the crime it possible, by making
forgery of Bank notes so difficult, that it would be almost impos-
sible to accomplish the object of the forger. The petitioners said
they itad,been aggrieved, but in his view they had not been ag-
grieved. They had the HI benefit of their own inventions ap-
plied to all Banks, except the Bank of England. They ought
not to throw the Bill aside, but give the plan a fair triai. It ought
not to be impeded because one man cone forward and said he had
been aggrieved.
The 1.:4,1 of LAUDERDALE said, the petitioner complained
that the pl:m adopted was his plan, and certainly that was a state-
ment on which a Petitioner might be beard.
Lord E I /ESI /ALE expressed an opinion that the Petitioner
wit- not town:red.
Tit!: Petition was laid on the table.
The Bill then went through the committee, and was reported
to the !louse without amendment.
CITY PLTITION REsPr.croeu TILE QUEEN.—Lard Ear,.
E pre,:ntaid a Petition front the I Mayor. Aldermen, &c.
in Common Comical asAmblLd, against the Pain, and Penalties
Bill. The Petitioners stated, that tnvy heard a Bill lAitS in pro-
gress, in which her Majesty, the Queen consort, was charged
with adultery, and made liable to severe pains and penalties.—
This Bill was brought in upon the report of a Secret Committee,
made upon papers and documents, and as the Petitioners believe
without examination of any persons on oath.
The Petition was read.
The LORD CHANCELLOR immediately after left the
wooltnek, and declared the Petition so objectionable that
he s:iould vote against receiving it. lie then put the
question—" is it your Lordship,' pleasure this Petition be
received ?" A general exeliunation of "No !" followed, and
the question being negatived, the l'etition was not received.
Tue Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that it was not to be
presumed, from the silence of their Lordships, that they acqui-
esced in the statement of facts in the Petition. As the Petition
had not been received, he should move it be rejected.
The Noble Earl's motion was accordingly put by the Lord

Chancellor.
The Duke of H Aft I LTON said, he should oppose the motion;
ha did not wish to go into the question, whether the allegation in
the Petition, respecting the Secret Committee, was well founded ;
he wished only to act upon an impression, that it was necessary
to give the people every opportunity of petitioning, when they telt
they had ground for it. There appeared to be much hostility to
the right uf petitioning, in treating the petition of a Corporation
with disrespect-
The LORD CHANCELLOR—..• If any person supposes I
mean any disrespect to the Corporation of the City of London, I
protest against that supposition. No man wishes to pay more
respect to petitioners than I do; but 1 cannot conceive the
Corporation of London has right to intern:re with the proceedings
of this House, more than any other corporate body; and, my
Lords, if you are to give way in these matters you had better
not legislate.
The Doke of HAMILTON, in explanation, observed, that it
was not his intention to impute disrespect to the Noble and
Learned Lord. He contended that a Petition in respectful terms
was entitled to a fevourable reception.
Lord HOLLAND said, he could have wished this Petition
had been rejected sub 'Wail°. He thought it was a Petition
which ought not to be received. The House having appointed a
secret Committee, the Petitioners tooK on themselves to say
what the Sealed Papers were. This was a fact they could not
know. No petitioner had a right to assert what passed before a
Secret Committee of that House, without lie knew what the pro-
ceeding was. If the Petition was received it would he an :glans.
sion that the green bag contained all the evidence 01 the Milan
Commission, which he did nut believe it did. The Noble Lord
concurred in the motion,
The Petition was then rejected.
51AIIIIIAGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL.--Lund IiLLEN•
BOROUGH moved the above Bill be ie.cominitted, and the
House accordingly went into Committee.
Lord It EDEsDALE adverted to the Bill as it then came before
the House, and-expressed an opinion that the amendments made
by the Noble Loud rendered the Bill more objectionable than it
was in its original state. lie concluded by touring the Bill be
committed this day six months.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he had been anxious not to
object to the Bill, but on mature consideration of the subject, lie
was obliged to entreat the House to take inure time for the cAnisi-
&ration of this most important sukeet. Ile concluded by es
pressing a hope that their Lordships would bring forward the
ill early in the next Session.
After some further discussion, die motion of Lord Redesdale
was agreed to, and the Bill thrown out.—Adjourned.
THURSDAY. JULY 20.
BILL OF PAINS AND PKNALTIES.—The Earl of LIVER-
POOL moved that a Committee oe appointed to search for pie-
cedents as to the mode of ennircing tue attendance of Peers in
proceedings upon the Bills of Pains and Penalties.—The motion
agreed to.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL then nominated the Committee.
Among the members were, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord
Holland, Viscount Melville, the Earl of shatiesbury, Lord St.
Germans, the Earl of Darlington, and the Marquis of Lans-
downe.
The Irish Fisheries Bill, the Bank Forgeries, an the other
Bills, were read the third time and passed.
Mr. Johnson, from the Office of Chief Secretary for Ireland,
presented Papers at the Bar relating to the Public Revenue.
The House went into a Committee on the Irish Court Chan-
cery Regulation Bill.
LordREDESDA LE, after making several amendments, pro-
posed to leave out the words which, in one of the clauses, ope-
rated as a post jl,:to law. It declared that no Master in
Chancery, in Ireland, should hold out any other office after the
Ist of August, and it was described as falling peculiarly hard on
Mr. Ellice, the present Member for Dublin, who is a Master in
tl:c Chancery.
The Larl of 1.1!1En K opposed the amendment.
The llou,e yiestion, and the amendment was
carded by a majority of 2.
We understand Lori 1.. LY YON then moved to leave out the
clau:,e altogether, which :elates to residence, and upon a diviaioo
the rnotioa was carried :
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14_s CI 'I) be •epteto.

On the motion of Lord AUCKLAND the Insolvent Dabtort'
Bid was re•corrvnitted.
Lord iVilltni4A,LE. dig said Conall. made several
amodmefirs, and aftet a convaation betwe Lord C:tm-
cellor, Lord Aktekland, and other Lords, the Amendments were
agreed to, the Bill pawl through the Committed. ant IWdli
ordered to 'ec reported. Adjourned.

ratosv, .int.v 21.
The Small D2bts Recovery Bill was committed, and, after a
few observations from Lord Redesdale, reported to the Home.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL—The report of the Insolvent
Debtors Bill was received.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, alluding to persons committed
for contempt in not paying money into Court, observed, that some
amendment was mowed on that subject, whicis he should be
able to propose on Monday, when the third reading of the Bill
is to take place.
The Bills on the table were read, and the House adjourned.

MONDAY, JULY 17.
Mr. CALA' Elt'l moved for Returns of the Fees taken
by the Court of Requests for Southwark. If the facts
were as he understood them to be, lie should move, next
Session, to bring in a Bill on the subject, for recovering
Is. The tees iu Southwark were 16,.3d.—in London
Ins. 6tl.—in the Tower Div ision,ss. lid.—Papers ordered.
ROMAN CATHOLICS.—.Mr. PLUNKETT gave notice,
that he had several Petitions on the subject of the Roman
Catholic Disabilities; but he added, that he should not
present them, nor ititroduce any measure tot this subject,
owing to the einharntssing and momentous opiestion which
now Agitated Parliament—a question which was of the
greatest iiiiportatiee to the welfare of the country.
THE NEW itsititacks.—On the question that the New
Barrack Agreement Bill Report be presented,
?kir. CALCRA FT opposed i:, stating that the Old Bar•
racks might be had if the patties nese so disposed. The
agreement was extravagent, and nithout competition ; and
it the measure were rejected now, when the Chancellor of
the Exchequer eatue again lie would collie with a much
melts moderate estimate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER spoke, but
what he said was not !lewd.
Mr. T. WILSON also opposed the motion, as the ex.
pence was too great.
Mr. CALCII.AfT complained of the measure, mainly
because the Government had undertaken the business
without coming to Parliament. (Hear.)
A Member asked who was to pay fur what had been
done?
Mi. (-Aix:RAFT replied, the Cabinet. (A laugh.)
Mr. LEN NARI ) also resisted the motion, as formitig an
inordinate dentaild.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw for a division.
The numbers were—
Ayes V I Noes 74 I Majority IS.
DUBLIN ELECTION.—The SPEAKER pies:Ailed a Pe-
tition front Henry Grattan Esq. complaining of au undue
Election for Dublim—Ordered to be taken into const•
iteration on l aesday se'imight.
CITY PETITION.—The Slicfiffil presented a Petition
from the Common Council of the City of Landon against
the Bill of Pains WO/ Penalties.
On the motion of Mr. Alterman Wood, it was read,
and ordered to be printed.
'life QUEEN'S SERVICE OW PLATE.—Dr. LUSHING.
'cos renewed his motion respecting the soviet VI 1.1.1ie
presented to the present Queen, in 1508, by the late
King; bat lie denied that lie lead been desii tins of taking
the House by any surpiise, as lie did nut know that the
Ilim-o would out adjourn this day. The pattern was
her
own; and her Alejesty used it at her apartments in Ken-
sington Palace till she left this comatty in 1611. It was
left with Mr. Alessi', on the express understanding that it
was to be eeslored on her Majesty's return to this coun-
try ; but its retort' has been refused by the Lord Chain-
bee lain, who had bald that his Majesty had not lit en
pleased to give orders for its return, and it remained at
the Jewel Office. lie cundentued this proceeding as
hasty, tiojust, unit calculated to produce initiation in the
country. 'Fite hour of trial was approaching—hut was it
right to make every clurt in this way to degrade her Al
jest, before trial, by in eventing her from keeping the
state fining her rank? lie demented that one Right flout.
Gent. (Mr. Ceti JJ iii g) was itot present; and added, that
the furniture, Etc. now shunt the tlneen was hired.--
coucluded with moving for papers repotting
this plate.
Lord CASTLERE.AGH lamented that he was not pre.
Sent uu Saturday, as also the mode in which the motion
was then urged. It would not have been :in extreordinaly
act of courtesy first to make all possible Mutinies as to
what was the season regarding ihe refine' of the plate.
But he found the same acrimony in the speech now ut-
tered which was calculated to inflame the populace, now
so aroused as to be induced to IMOD( the Sovereign's Pa-
lace. (Cheers.)--'llie Host. and Learned Gentleman was
throwing about firebrands, and he laineuted this result.
It appeared to In a part of that systematic course of
hide iiiiii anon which, he was sorry to perceive, was adopted
on this subject. (Cheers.) The basest populace was
aroused. (Cheers.)—On applying for the plate 'low, Lunt
Liverpool immediately answered, that us sums as leer
Majesty had obtained a suitable tICSIIIt'fICI: stn. should bts
accommodated with plate. He reprobated the inutital,
and should 'Heel et won a dlleCi negative.
Or LUAiINC•TON reptied.-11e bolo ti the Howe
would have the candour autl the kindness to imitilge mai
with a few words. (Hear.) Ile would out occupy its
time by :name' ing the observations of the Noble Lord as
to the exercise of his humble talents; but be would say,
that Isis appointment as an adviser of her Majesty had
been unsulicited and unsought on his part—however in-
competent lie might be, he about(' discharge his duty
with integrity and seat. (Hear ) Ile owed it to Ilia ottii
jestilication to mention two in titter" facts. Ott Friday
last, for the first nine, he had become acquainted vt ith
any thing :elating to this subject, end it wues airauge4
between the Sulteitor General OI the Queen suit I iiiii
that the bornier should bring it forward on Saint day. it
was not mail late on that day that he was apprized by lies
Sulicitor•Genetal that he should be compelled to have
London, and consequently that the task must devolve
upon him (Dr. Lushingtoo). He had himself suggested
the I ropriely of sending honey to the Noble Lind, and
%sliest he cattle dime to the flutist on Satur.lity be heel
asked the Clem:el:or of the Exchequer it the Noble Loud
Writ expected ; the reply was, that it was nut exactly
known. He was waiting the au tival of the Noble load
when the Speaker called upon him, and then he bad to
take upon himself to decide whether lie would bring it
lorward or postpone it indefinitely, for be dud 1101 know
at that Uwe Met the House would be ri (ined to sit oil
day, Was it that oat of respect ivr l'.itla!tt it

should forfeit the duty he owed to his illostrions client?
It bad been asserted that motions of this kind were made
for the purpose of inflaming the passions of the people,
end exciting prejudice and agitation out of doors;
had lie been aware of any older mode in which the Queen
could have obtained the use of the articles of plate she
required, he should not have hesitated in adopting it.
As far as his opinion went, lie was far indeed from wish-
ing the Queen to court public favour but when a deep
oud ripe necessity compelled; but in the intercourse of
her Majesty with Ministers she had not met with that
liberal treatment to which as a sovereign she was entitled.
He appealed to the justice of the (louse and of the coun-
try, if, when her Majesty had required a yacht to convey
her to England, the answei of the First Lord of the Ad-
miralty, that the King was out of town, and that no order
could therefoi ebe made, was decorous or becoming? It
was the duty of the Noble Lord to have waited upon her
Majesty without delay, in order to take her royal pleasure
upon the point. Surely this was no great encouragement
for the Queen to rely upon the liberality of Ministers as
to her private comforts and conveniences. The Noble
Lord had said that the motion was founded upon a gar-
bled statement of facts ; but lie had not shown how they
were garbled, and he (r. L.) had read the whole of the
official document with which he hail been provided. He
liad„lio w e ver, not been quite so negligent as the Noble Lord
had supposed, for he had been told, on inquiry of those
who made the plate, that it had been ordered by the Lord
Chandiei lain, but that the taste and judgment of the pre-
sent Queen had been consulted. It had been truly
remarked, that the conduct of the Queen at all times was
evidence at least that she considered the plate her own :
she had not only packed it nu, but she had sent for it
while upon the Continent; and it was nut too much to
say, that she advanced no claim which she did not thick
founded in right and justice. It was observable that no
doubt had been raised regarding it until after the cala-
mity which visited his late Majesty had rendered him
incompetent to the duties of government; and he (Dr. L.)
entertained no opinion mote consciencions than this—
that, had it pleased Providence to have spared the facul-
ties of his Majesty, England would never have had to rue
the inquiry now impending over it. (Cheers.)—lt was
not too much to suppose that the late King would have
extended to the termination of his life that paternal pro-
tection which he had uniformly shown to her Majesty.
The noble Lord had alluded to some conversation of the
Earl of Aylesford ; but, In investigations of much less ins-
portance, hearsay evidence was always looked upon as
most unsatisfactory. As to this misconduct charged
against her Majesty, he had hoped that the Hon. Mein.
ben for Yorkshire and for Cork (Mr. S. Wortley and Mr.
Hutchinson) would have bad a little more consideration
and feeling for the situatiou and character for the diffi-
Collies and embarrassments of the Queen, and would not
have taken this opportunity of venting in loud and un-
called-for terms of their disapprobation. True it was her
Majesty was not in want of immediate funds, but she had
no conveniences for horses nor carriages to support her
dignity as Queen Then as to her appearance in the
public streets, every body knew that she was obliged to
live in a house with the blinds of all the windows down,
or be exposed to the gaze of all who chose to look in
upon her. Was it meant that under these circumstances
she should be an absolute prisoner, shut out even frotn the
light of day, for the sake of courting the fastidious opi-
nion of certain Hon. Members?—{Cheers.)—Such obser-
vations did no credit to the understanding or to the
feelings of the Hon. Gents. who had made them, and who
thus showed that they had no sympathy with misfortune.
He would take leave to say, that, in her Majesty's pre-
sent calamitous situation, every act of consideration and
accommodation would be regarded with approbation, and
the more so the more it seemed to emanate from the
throne itself. He would not dwell longer on this subject ;
but lie hoped he had succeeded in showing. that, however
mistaken or unadvised might have been the conduct of
her counsel, her Majesty was in no respect implicated in
their indignation or ignorance; and he regretted that he
had been at all called upon to step forward in the absence
of his learned colleagues, who would have done more jus-
tice to the cause he had weakly espoused.
After remarks from Lord A. Hamilton, Mr. Martin, Mr.
Hutchinson, Mr. S. Wortley, &c. the motion was nega-
tived, no division being called for.
The Report of the New Post Office Committee haring
been presented by Sir W. Curtis, the House adjourned.