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I" already given directions to Lord Raglan that when, from cir-
a4 thee,?, a- r'eginient was so reduced by

explaining why the course followed in the other house of
Parliament hail not been followed there.
The T.OIZT) t' t • tier

LbTOPOL,

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30th dt. ix

Iteti an 11, OF LORDS—(f.i:STERDA.Y.)
14 ° Caeliohuou took his seat on the woohia;-..k
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POW
34„,, , IS presented a petition from a branch of
%.e" 15i England Extension Society against any
'Stant to the College of Maynooth.
'-it4rl of
SLIA.FTESBIJRY prasented a petition
e distillation-of spirits from grain.

obli go 7 to his
noblo and learned friend for giving him this pportunity. lie
had directed inquiry to be made as to the course taken on
former similar occasions, from the commencement of the last
century. It was found that the thanks of the house had
never been given to the individuals personally present, except
to a member of that house whohad been commander-in-chief,
and never except on a special vote directing it to be done.
It wits the custom when thanks were voted in the other
house that the resolution should be communicated by letter
to all the persons to whom the thanks were given except
th, se who were members of the house, and it was directed
that to them the Speaker should communicate the thanks in
person. But that was not the custom of their lordships'
house, and, in4ependently of other objections, he had no
authority from their lordship§ to communicate the thanks
without special directions from their lordships. It had never
been their custom to do so, and whether their lordships
would-diverge from the ordinary custom it was not for him
to say, but he had caused the matter to be looked into, and
he was happy in the prosence of the noble earl (the Earl of
Cardigan) to express to him and to their lordships that there
was no blame to be attributed to him, because it was not cus-
tomary to do in their lordships' house what had been done in
the other house of Parliament.

_ ..... eeentry rather than to the depots in the
auaiitearaucau, where it might disturb others, and give a
false and exaggerated impression of the hardships of the
campaign. With reference to the last point to which the
noble earl adverted, he must say that he quite agreed with
him in thinking that the officer of a regiment, or the captain
of a company, was quite as much, and perhaps even more,
' entitled to credit and reward for taking care of the men under
his charge than for leading them on in the field. (Hear.)
Another point- to which the noble earl referred was the selec-
'tion of Geueral Simpson for service in the East, to whose
`claims and character he had hardly done justice. The noble
tail "appeared to be under the same impression as that of the
eary- of War to two pledges which were public in general, that General Simpson had been sent out to
, weeks ago by the noble duke who lately take the command of one of the vacant divisions, but that was
namely, that a clasp should be granted to .1 not the
tease, andc his services had been called into action for a
'ght,at Balaklava, and that he would com- different From all that he could learn of the state
of the earmpery purpose.'
*believed the general staff required to be in-
First Lord of the Admiralty, and aster-ee spected from its head to the lowest member, and likewise
-done, or was intended to be done, with ' that there ought to be an officer in our army in the situation
men engaged in the battles in front of Se 2 of chief of the staff, to convey to the heads of departments
express hi. hope that in a matter so inti- ' , the General, and whose duty it should be to see
thhaetettesle.eoerfders were properly, quickly, and implicitly carried
with the feelings of the army, the present
out. There was a corresponding office in existence in the
. not neglect to do that which the late Go- French army, instituted in the time of Napoleon, and this was
'crmised. The n ble duke had also promised . the mission with which General Simpson had been charged.
ld be founded on the principle of that of ' His duty as chief of the staff would be to take Lord Raglan's
eustria, and that of St. Ceorge of. Prussia, orders, and convey them to the quartermaster-general and
adjutant-general ; to inspect and review each of the staff de-
mon soldiers as well as the officers to obtain partmonts throughout all its ramifications, and to report to
,ewards. He did hope that no time would Lord Raglan the fitness or unfitness of the various officers
'.ng an order of such eminent utility, and composing those branches. From the knowledge he had of
;Hy for which was the more immediately General Simpson, as well as of the character of theoffi eel:
ur troops were fighting by the side of the serving in those departments and their capability of performing
led en the day following a battle from the the duties devolving upon them, he felt convinced that the
gallant general would make the departments of the Quarter-
ral the military decoration which rewarded master-General and Adjutant-General more efficient than, he
lour. (Hear.) A short time before the was sorry to say, they appeared at present to be. He had
ike of Newcastle) left office, he introduced great confidence in the zeal and capacity of General Simpson,
ice an alteration of great importance, by who had assured him that, though ago had crept, upon him
flagement of the animals engaged in the since he was engaged in the service to which the noble earl
to army and its baggage from the commis-. -had so handsomely referred, yet he believed himself still ea-
He trusted there would be no objection gable of rendering efficient service to his country. He begged
the minute or memorandum by which the
now to proceed with the duty of presenting to their lordships
;Muted. (Hear.) He wished to take this ,e. bill,
which he hoped to be able to carry through as speedily
'erting to two or three points of consider- as possible, for enabling her Majesty to limit the period of
Their lordships must have observed that service still further in the army. Their lordships were aware
i had been granted " for distinguished that the period of service was limited in 1847 to a period of
in some cases very painful doubts had ten years by the act passed in that year. That act had not
;et to the correctness of the judgment been in operation for a sufficiently long time to enable them
iromotions had been awarded; and in or- to judge of the effect of a short period of enlistment, but iu
0, and to prevent them arising in future, 'the present emergency, with the view of obtaining a class of
that it would be very desirable that, men more capable of enduring the hardships of war than those
;he nature of the distinguished services who were now commonly enlisted, he proposed to introduce
He knew very well that let the honesty a bill to enable her Majesty in Council to declare that she
his exertions to discover merit and re- would accept the services of any man willing to enlist in her
they might, his decision would not in all Majefey's service for, any period under ten years, taking those
the public opinion of the army. But men at an age not under 24 nor above 32. This would enable
,uld be made to -render the promotions them, to engage a class of men for a short period of service,
ionours awarded, entirely in conformity who would be fit to undergo immediately, from the strength
the army itself., In order to assist the - 'ef their constitution, UM hardships of the field, and who, on
respect, and for other reasons, he would completing the period of their service, might not find them-
rernment that it would be desirable that selves tied to a profession they had no desire to continue iu.
the example which had been set in the
;This would be taking a step in the right way for providing
int war, both by the Emperor of Russia their army with proper recruits, inasmuch as to take young
if France, and send out from time to time men of 18, and send them out to the Crimea within 6 months
ild visit the army and return and report "after they had left their homes to represent the valour of the
that they might become thoroughly iu- country, was to send them to a task for which they were
:al state in which things were. (Hear.) totally unfit. Great complaints had been made—he was not
t, he could not help adverting to the ex- in a,position to say whether with justice or not—against the
'pleasant feeling which had been created in commissariat department of the army in the East. It had
promotions having been granted almost been said that that department had• been lax in obtaining
) the staff rather than to regimental officers. provisions and supplies, and in distributing them when oh-
Yeas no doubt that officers of the staff were tamed, and that it had to a great extent failed in maintain-
esonal danger—certainly were less exposed ing the army in the condition which they had reason to ex-
in and discomfort—than the officers of the pest. He had, therefore,- determined to send out a commis-
Jr hand, perhaps, their duties were of a -mission`to inquire-into, the whole 'of these matters, and he
what more intellectual description. But had obtained for that commission the services of a gentleman
Is performed by the officers of the line whose name he had but to mention to prove to their lord-
dto the very existence of an army, and of ships that he had endeavoured to find for it the man most
ighest importance that the Government recommended by former services rendered in the East—Sir
iy informed with respect to the manner in John Macneill. -That distinguished gentleman had under-
Wormed. When troops in the field were taken immediately to leave the employment ho filled with
tal fighting, the proportion of cases of sick- 'tsa much credit to himself and usefuness to this country in
the whole number of officers and privates Persia, and to conduct a searching inquiry into all that had
,ty much the same. But there was no taken place. Ho had not the slightest doubt that Sir John
in the Crimea the sickness and deaths Mieneill's knowledge of the sources.of supply would prove of
es had infinitely exceeded the proportion the greatest use, and enable him to render the utmost possi-
nem to their whole number, according to the bra service on this commission. With respect to the hospi-
of sickness and deaths amongst the offi- tals, they bad taken great pains within these few days to in-
"as not aware of any reason which could'ac- form. hemselves as to the exact state of these establishments.
'ltraordinary discrepancy, and if the Govern:. Theyhad already taken means to clear out the hospital at
leer to the Crimea, as he had recom- Scutari, and place it on a more healthy footing, and he had
the first subject to which his attention sent out instructions to remove from it the depot of troops
He observed,- from the accounts received qua- tered there with the women and children, so that the
. there was the greatest discrepancy in the barracks might be placed exclisively under the control of
-tress in regiments placed in precisely simi- the medical department. Above all, he had put an end to
That Was a subject requiring the ceesest that which struck him as the great source of many serious
scarcely possible that a regiment should moral eVils—the sale of ardent spirits within its limits. They
las some had been, in such a way that the had also established an hospital for convalescents at Smyrna,
lornmissioned officers were practically ex- entirely under the -control of civil practitioners. They had
le officers remained, without there being taken means also of providing opposite to Scutari hospital
luty on the part of the commanding officer accommodation for 5,00 U men, in detached buildings or huts,
rherever one regiment or one company ap- which would be placed under the charge of a staff of civil
more free from sickness than others placed practitioners, for he regretted to say that the army medical
' ciroumstances, the conduct of the com- staff was scarcely able to supply the demands made upon it by
the captain tp whose care of his men this the service. These, it would be admitted, were great and ins-
ieive the strongest marks of approbation portant improvements, which should be carried out with the
elilt, and that he should receive promotion. least possible delay, for he was aware that there might bo
elit ke_Peared, as in the case of the 63/1 Regiment, demands made at any moment for hospital accommoda-
KeetZt: been almost destroyed without there tion for the sick and wounded, which, unless measures
circumstances_ to account for it, it was were taken beforehand, 'it would be utterly impbssi-
fa°l-ernment to mark in the strongest man- ble to supply. He had been forcibly struck by the
tion of the officer in command. (Hear.) imminent chance of a great danger arising out of the
) Which he desired to advert was this. He state of the camp, occupied, as it had been, by a large army
noble baron had appointed General Simp- stationary in it for some months. (Hear.) Although the
'no of the divisions of the army of the Cri-
thought it right to state what he knew inconveniences thus created might not be perceived at pre-
sent, when things were locked iu the icy grasp of winter, yet
the beginning of 1843, when Sir Charles the moment the sun began to warn them, fermentation would
et': Scinde, he (the Earl of Ellenboroughj take place, and the refuse of the camp would breed a pesti-
°us that, in consequence of his illness
,:trek, ' fence unless immediate measures were taken to prevent it.
e„, , the army might be suddenly de- Accordingly, on Friday last, he had addressed despatches to
'y prevailing had also reason to fear that,
~„_ e,„,eee f,....4..a.,ki550p7•4 1-x• g4it. formed a corps of
Lord Racdan, dirertine hin, fo take Stellf4 ill 0nr.;71,3n44.,.. ~.4.4.1..
in the army, the commanu
'tads totally inefficient. Under those en-- .cairengers, which would immediately proceed to perform
his (the Earl of Ellenborough's) duty to-. scavenger's work in the camp. (Hear.) In Order to have
(Ole Indian army the man whom ho confi- proper directions and superintendence in the performance of
Jle for the command. He chose General the -work, he had determined to avail himself of the services
Charles Napier afterwards told him that he of three gentlemen connected with the sanitary operations of
acted a better man ; that he was a perfectly this great city, sending out one to the hospital at Scutari,
it, who, under all circumstances, would do and two others to Balaklava and the camp, to take the su-
ebe done. Undoubtedly, 12 years, no futon- pervision of all sanitary arrangements, with the view of ob-
a man's life, had since elapsed, and he (the viating- the danger that would otherwise arise of the ravages
High) should not have liked now to appoint of disease. Another point to which be wished to refer was
itit,,,,,• Without having 'ascertained by a private and the teausport service of the army, to which his noble friend
', II- "...r? with him that he felt that perfect confi-
who preceded him in office had given his attention, as his
right hon. friend at the head of the Admiralty had turned his
-,41 was such as to enable him to perform
~,x,Aties of his command. But, supposing attention to the seaservice. His right hon. friend had thonght
14,tte7ktr e interview was satisfactory, he did not it right, and he entirely concurred in the view, to establish
e4enitelielkiintment could have been made ; that a transport board, which during the war should be charged
IThain Ziog that the principal commands in the and which
l'e4r.- 44 the hands of officers of that advanced
)should be in immediate communication with the Minister of
with the transport of our army and other stores,
tint War; so that no delay might occur in forwarding stores to the
, after expressing his regret that the noble points where they were wanted. He might mention further
el
hue notice of the questions which he had that, as General Harry Jones had arrived out to take the
to 'Nita concurred with him in thinking that mm dof the Engineer department, he had thought it
ahissduaaty to recall Sir John Burgoyne to the office he had
ue. towards were distributed to the army for -long filled with so much advantage to this country—that
-4
the field or for their good conduct, the QS inspector-general of fortifications under the Board of
3111.8 Were conferred the more weight would Ordnance. Another great subject, though of secondary
c..
lierh—• And he therefore quite agreed with me moment to the condition of the army now serving
di thinking that no time should be lost in in the East, was that of the civil department of the mi-
litary,-
, administration. To this Government was turning
the sanction of the Government of which he that everything had been done and was doing in order to re-
iretie neglects and deficiencies that had occurred in the
especially those relating to that new class raedy.t .
Grimea, and could give satisfactory assurances
that things
British army to which reference had been
W.ould go on better for the future, subject to no other casual-
suer true that much consideration must be ties than such as we had no control over, he could not promise
II," in which those honours were to be con-
to lay before their lordshipseiny statement as to the adminis-
144 we might derive the benefit of the ex-
tration of the civil branches of the army. Bat he hoped be-
, °r,eign countries into whose services they fore long to be able to do so, and to point out a method by
'ecu; but he could assure their lordships
Auldr be lost in taking steps to enable the which, under the control of ore Minister, the civil aclminis-
,e arm .and na to be rewarded tration of the army might be concentrated, whilst its discip-
y vy imme-
line maintained uuder the of the Command
''' scene where they took place. The next Chief.wai As seen as they obtained acontrol sufficien ey of transports,n-
it
to noble earl adverted was with respect to
was the intentioirof Government to establish a communication
ich the entire credit was due to the noble
every week or ten days between Scutari and England, with
,', of Newcastle) who preceded him in the
steam-boats fitted up as hospital ships, capableitof bringing
41 and who so far from having neglected,
home 300, 400, or even 500 wounded or sick, who would be
jug attended to the interests of the army
1,71:1 4.'" charge, had, as he (Lord Panmure) had •
lie believe done the utmost to conduct the ,
\\ltti
likti 4 department efficiently, although, from various tar sooner restored to the service of the army, or at least to
health, at home, than they could possibly be at the place
wl,ere they now were ; for ho had been informed, both by
4 l'Qkti 1 medical gentlemen and others, that such was the state of the
Net aae ILY from the circumstance that we were hut- in those regions that. wounds scarcely ever healed
kl/44'ttiv leetawie th a peace establishment—neither he nor
"*ith'‘gual could have administered the affairs of e,
1 properly, and, fever supervening on them, were hardly cur-
+wee :Under these circumstances, it appeared to him that,
li, 414 remained
more success than he had done. Much,
WithaView to saving the lives of the men, the most effectual
*it': be'esec,ained to do ; but what the noble duke had
means that could be taken was at one 3 to remove to their
k 44,1 gree7',de the groundwork of
taken'futtirepprloacceeedininfhs.e
homes in this country the sick
comfortsand wounedaso
atuhdatintihoehyt
14,N t';44l: 1h ; improvementsestablishment
co
corps_ known as the might have the benefit of procurable. here,.
recover health much morerapidly than if left in tho hospitals
kettetklitt corps," which supplied the place of the
abroad. (Hear.)
mit cqtaelied to the Duke of Wellington's army.
iNNelhe e °nicer of this corps, which had been formed The Earl
ike‘e•Ztkelertious of the noble duke, embarked on Mon- noble. friend at last afforded some hope of mitigating, if not
~„ ‘,,-,4 4 ,eat of war and the officers and men of the
~,At. kiii quickly as Possible tall round him. He would
Ns averting, the great
heads of our army
disasters that seemed hanging over the
in the East. He was apprehensive, how-
had not yet reached the maximum f the
~'l.oo't AO Charge, altogether independently of the corn- evaeurg,orthaatndw
tehat the amount of' disease created by the cliffi-
,epON,tire land transport of Lord Raglan's army. d
the culties 'and privations endured throughout the winter would
',llly', tetli‘tet?.which the noble earl adverted was as •
d
be as nothing compared to that caused by the sun's heat in
;'i4,,Pee tekling out an officer to the Crimea, to see an.
the coming spring. At present, the
.hospiatals in the East
'lllii teetil• actual state of the army. Well, it was his ,
WAN the house that the Cabinet had already deter- . were in such a state that it was almost impossible that any
eeV cotes' „°lrt an officer who' should report as to the ' sick our wounded 'man who entered one should recover; and
l'irtY "ceee"°, army, both physically and morally ; who only that morning he hid seen a letter stating that those in
N'tee'ka,,..,tcate •eh Lordltaelan and be able to inform . Balaklava were nioro filthy thanthan
ly grateful to his noble
11'4 e k.l' withvnres respect to his' views, not only with re- . city of London. Heh felthd exceedingly
to
improve the medical and
Ihiti 0t1e473r, but alsop as te the campaign which was friend foi•tliesteps
of
arrangementsthea army, and anticipated the greatest
Vele This duty would require for its execution an other
benefit from the appointment of the commission to
'F el be4auding—one in whom the ,greatest confi- possible.
INle the reposed—and l'eposed—and'one between whom and the com- examine into what had taken place.
144,illeaaillIY jealousy could not arise. Having found The Earl of HARROWBY wished. to know,
,lif
.haonuyrthoifngßez
dat kibt-e Person, he ord Panmure) hope an early to be done to improve the condition of he i
Admiral Boxer
SlNte, ‘'ec-c.t„..,i'l Possession' of his report, and that by that kla,va. He feared that the appbintmen. of
that would be re-
kel eo r te'groent might be enabled to act on many points to the command at that. place was notone
elelitetii,e' silieieess than bad yet attended their efforts. He now assuring to the public mind, associated the name of that
il lie "e jest of promotions which was a very difficult officer had beeu ve!th all the d.efects in asile arrangements of
Lee&) tee -eject for those to deal 1 with who were at home, the transport service at Scutari.
te Zkeetictlet.e,r°re, not perfectly aware of the services that . Lord PANMURE could state that whilst Admiral Boxer
'telt etqa°e-Zed-• He believed that the promotions which . •th immediate control
had beeti appointed as the, officer wi .
t4lell' Nee- 'ad been for "distinguished services in the Edmund
over the harbour, instructions bad -been giyen to Sir
~ti, 1. „-, Ite,,:lerely as the noble earl had said " for dis- Lyons, in conjunction with Lord Raglan, to take every step
e4te'' atie.eees." Now, if Lord Raglan, or the com- possible to see that the existing confusion was brought into a
enettliebel'uty, recommended ended an officer' for promotion state of something like order. Civil officers, accustomed
.to
NI tt P,tit at 'lerviees ill the field,
he did not see hoW the e the business of customhouses, had also been sent out to assist
t\l'it "11 t ' "me could into further details with re-
a te eeete go in lauding and taking charge of the stores.
h,l NI; Ivani,:es• It must be assumed that they were The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH wished to know if Sir'John
'41,1t •ile lie alit the general commanding-in-chief in re- .
Macneill would have authority to remove any obstructions
tkti k,:4lq 'l,rometion he thought it would e very
and redress any grievance he might discover, or only to re-
keetki ,4; fee&what dangerous for those who were vet an;portd
as to their existence. It appeared to him that one great
44,1,,e0' them the secene of action to interfere with the dis-
source of error and delay was to' be found in the system of.
Baer't';i:„herete°flatuatider in rewarding such services. He
accouuts, with its various checks and precautions. However
eVei i B,,,esonfess that he was inclined to think that
excellently these might work in time of peace, it was vain to
VI 1,41 Ahe occasions been a diserep incy in the pro-
ex ect that they could be efficient in time of war, when cer-
e, lioileeieneleu those rewards had been allotted to the staff day and despatCh in the execution of orders were the great
klei'%,t-O, loelzt!•1 officersrespectively it was his deter- -
requiiites.
ttc, l'ot vphi_loto the subject, particularly with resetto , requisites.
01 PANMURE said Sir John Macneill would not have
011, :kr.) 1;,-,'Ii had been been-given to regimental officers,
powers either of dismissing pro appointing persons, but he
tlehli'l to th'itit reference to what the noble earl had
would be called upon to report both to Lord Raglan and the
i't, 14,tree of the comparison he had drawn between the
Government at home, and to suggest any changes which ho
giVl.' that e''' uten and the officers, he must say that he
I might see would -be necesary in conducting the business of
Vlef,e lee such a comparison would not tend to benefit
the army. It would be for Lord Raglan to make those
NY
has thae-twas quite sure the noble earl did not mean to changes on his own responsibility before th report reached
NY li!' %t th '.° ofdeers had refused in any way to share the
the hands of Government, but it would also be conveyed to
ete 1.:2 eh ,
chic
h inert ; for he believed there never was an
them, and, whether Lord Raglan should deem any change
PitV,,hether
,ttaehed to it a. more devoted baud of offie 1 calledlor or not, it would be the duty of Government to c0n-
k4,71 eel the ~ it 'was in the field, in bearingin 1 •such changes should be made.
privations,
, t‘re,,
.eider whether
Ve te to , •e-ees, or in whatever duty they had been
The bill was then read a first time.
ye he it.o. reeforee, th
had h fall shared with their
Oh 46 ' t`l'hiPB which cee
7 f h THE THANKS OF THE HOUSE.
0 tki eertai ,the hard duties o t o camp hi
Th fitted ols, could not account for thedisproportion The-
LORD CHANCELLOR read a latter received that
kkat la between the • ' and the offi- morning from Admiral Lyons, dated the 30th of January, ac-
-4a is ad Yet to be sickness of the then
teleti particular investigated, and the case of the 63d knowledging the vote of thanks, which was ordered to be
Gleeteatitittb oi'coted. Nvir one to which his attention would be,catered (re the journals.
Lord CAMPBELL said their lordships must have observed
sti. tl:Ltilat l'l,,,f°r tho.meorta
couhltd leapt cones: hive wihiacthc oulddtahkaevue ,
that Ile thanks voted by their lordships to members f that
Nl'a (3? liee'lraent, except to nd • k esshw
.1
yours , hese' whe had distinguished Vieille lees in the army, had
ee etiee",°cen Budd was that, eing very yo ~„ ,_ e
: not been communicated to those illustrious persons in their
meet --"r i.th only called
,upon to rform very i
fro ,_ a more laborious of which the officers places by his noble and learned friend on the woolsack. Ho
' be; a ' enoble SU d
certain extent, relieved, He had i gladly gave his an learned friend an opportunity of

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Lord BROUGHAM thought there could not be the slight-
est objection to depart from the ordinary course of practice,
but for one obvious and powerful consideration—that it
would tend to throw discredit on former members of that
house who had received the thanks of the house otherwise
than in person.
Lord CAMPBELL did not see the force of what had fallen
from his noble and learned friend. It was better for them to
change the course that had been hitherto pursued, and to
adopt the course followed in the other house of Parliament.
He did not see how it could in the remotest degree be sup-
posed to reflect upon those who had received the thanks of
the house when a different system prevailed.
PURCHASERS' PROTECTION AGAINST JUDGMENTS

BILL.
This bill was read a recond time.
FISHERIES (NORTH AMERICA) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed. •
Their lordships adjourned at twenty-five minutes to so ►en
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTIIRDAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly before four
o'clock.

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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 17‘ 1855.

was any danger in such course of proceeding as may affect
the security of his seat in the House of Commons, it

from their scientific labours. I am sure that medical men,
whose time is daily occupied in all the details of the pro-
, fecsci, have not loiture enough to consider those ',Teat
sanitary urrang,:ments upon Which the health and col fort,
and the lives, even, of vtny thusauds of insn must ine-
vitably upend. Lord Raglan has been authorised and
instructed to send to Constantinople, and to procure from
thence a corps of labourers, whose sole duty will be to
cleanse the camp—to cleanse it from that accumulation of
various things, which every man, who knows anything of
the habits of a camp, and of the calamities which have be-
fallen us in the Crimea, must know are perpetually accu-
mulating, and which, when the warm season comes in,
might, if precautions were not taken, be attended with dis-
astrous results to the mea living in that camp. Then again,
sir, many complaints have been made, and I am afraid not
without some foundation, of a want of system in the com-
missariat department (loud cheers)—of mistakes and want
of organization—(renewed cheers)—both as regards the
'supply and as regards the issue of things requisite for the
army. (Cheers.) A commission is going out, at the head
of which we have placed a vary distinguished man, well
known for his abilities an d habits of organisation-.—l mean Sir
John Macueill—once our minister at the court of Persia, and
now employed in the poor-law department of this country.
He will be the head of that commission, and he will have col-
leagues competent to act with him. That commission will
go for the purpose of examining into all the defeats to be
found in the commissariat magazines in the Levant, to set
them all to rights, and to organise them on a more efficient
basis. In the British army there has not hitherto existed
an officer of that description who in foreign armies boars
the title of the chief of the staff. The consequence has
been that all the details of the quartermasier's and adju-
tant-general's departments have been brought to the com-
mander-in-chief, much to his inconvenience, and abstract-
ing his attention, perhaps from matters of more serious and
greater' importance. Major-General Simpson, an officer
of distinguished services, who is well known for his ser-
vices in the Peninsula at Waterloo, and in India, is going
out immediately as chief of the staff, to have the control
and command of the quartermaster's and adjutant-general's
departments, and with power to recommend to Lord Rag-
lan any change which he might think ought to be made in
the different persons belonging to those departments ' • and
Lord Raglan will no doubt think it his duty to adopt any
recommendations which Major-General Simpson may make
to him as to those matters. There has been also a complaint

The SOLICITOR-GENEP.AL, .in reply, said that
the question was a somewhat abstract one, but tie act
of Parliament was directed against anything done cor•
raptly, but certainly was never intended to apply to acts
of bona fide charity such as those implied by the lion.
member's question.

and I believe lijtisi;;;:ihaithemedical establishment of
the army has not hitherto furnished a sufficient supply of
medical officers for the wants of the officers abroad. A

hospital is gcing—ioT; erected at Varna, which will be
placed entirely in the hands of civilian medical men, aid
civilians will be entitled to ask and offer their services in

any other part of the arrangements abroad in which their
medical services may be wanted. Bat the Secretary for the
War Department is going to remodel entirely the medical
departments at home. I believe that that is capable of
great [improvement, simplification, and probably of in-
creased efficiency, and. I am confident that the labours of
my noble friend in that direction will not be less valuable
than in other departments of the Administration which
have been confided to his care. My noble friend also pro-
poses very shortly—l believe this evening—to present
to the other house of Parliament a bill to enable her
Majesty to enlist as soldiers men of a more ad-
vanced age ; I need not say more advanced, but somewhat
older than the limit hitherto fixed, men still in the vigour
of life, but older than the ordinary range of recruits ; and
to enlist them for a shorter period than is assigned to the
general enlistment of soldiers under the present arrange-
ments of the army. I have omitted to say that hitherto the
commissariat abroad has been charged not simply with the
supply and issue of provisions and all other things wanted
for the service of the army, but has also been charged with
providing the means of transporting those things. That
has been the source of very great difficulty and inconve-
nience, and a separate department of laid transport has
been established which will correspond in some degree with
the ancient waggon train, only upon a larger scale, and it
will be instructed immediately to set to work, and to col-
lect in Asia Minor the animals necessary for the service of
the army, and no doubt sufficient means of transport will
thereby be provided. During the short period that has
elapsed since the formation of the Government these things
have been done and are doing, and I should trust that the
house will be disposed to see the effect which those different
improvements and arrangements will produce. I am myself
perfectly convinced that the results would be known in a
much shorter period than would be sufficient to enable a

committee even to make a report they could recommend to
the attention of this house. Sir, so much as regards the

arrangements for the prosecution of the war, tionglil should
state that, in addition to those improvements of system, no
efforts will be omitted to provide reinforcements for the
army to enable it to take the field when the season shall
admit with increased numbers and augmented efficiency—
(cheers)—but similarly charged as we are with the interests
of a great nation, I hare felt that it was our duty, not
simply to look to the best means of carrying on with vigour
an efficiency that war in which wo have unfortunately been
compelled to engage, but that it is our duty also to make
every effort which could honourably and safely be made for
the purpose, if it were possible, of putting an end to the war
by au adequate treaty of peace. (Hear.) We had learned
that certain conditions to serve as a basis of negotiations
which had been concerted between the Governments of
England and France, had been concurred in by the Go-
vernment of Austria ; and having been presented to the
Government of Russia, were informed that the Govern-
ment of Russia had acquiesced in them as principles upon
which negotiations might be commenced. We deem it
our duty, therefore, to. embrace the opportunity thus
afforded us for at least ascertaining whether peace could
now be obtained upon safe and honourable terms. Nego.
tiations were to bo opened at Vienna ; but being desirous
to give to these negotiations a most solemn, serious, and
earnest appearance—being desirous that no man living
should question whether we entered into them with a sin.
cere desire to make peace, pretending that on our part it
was merely a pretence to steal away time and to wait till
the successes of war might bring to us a better condition in
which we treat—we pressed upon my noble Mend, I will
name him—Lord John Russell—to act as negotiator.
' (Cheers.) We felt convinced that when the negotiation
was pl.‘,.ed in the hands of a man so eminent in his own

so --A in the estimo,-
tie.-a -al Europe, se conversant with the debar)„ of all
the negotiations which had preceded, and so deeply 1--
buod with a feeling of the importance of the matter., to be
discussed—we felt convinced that if Lord John Russell
would undertake the task we should have a security on the
one hand that if peace were obtainable upon honourable
terms, no failure arising from the want of judgment or
knowledge on the part of our negotiator would prevent
our obtaining it ; and on the other hand, we should feel
that, however the affair might go, we had made every pos•
sible effort to come to an honourable arrangement of the
quarrel. My noble friend honourably consented to under-
take the task, and I must say that no man ever did him-
self a high honour than my noble friend did in accepting
that under circumstances of such great—l will not say
national—but European emergency. My &noble friend, I
believe, will proceed' in the early part of next wet*.
Of course, he will pass through Paris, to have a con-
fidential communication -with the French Government.
He will also nass by Berlin, in order to communicate with
the Government of Prussia ; and whatever delays those
visits may interpose to his arrival at Vienna, I think the
time he spends in these capitals will not be misplaced.
Now, sir, if we should succeed in obtaining peace upon
terms which would afford a security for the future against
the recurrence of those disturbances of the peace of Europe
which have led to the war in which we are engaged, we
should think, sir, that our first acts in undertaking the
Government will be as satisfactory to the country as they
will be satisfactory to ourselves; but, sir, if we fail, why
then I think that the country will feel that there is no
alternative but to go on with the war—(cheers)—and I am
convinced that this nation will then with greater zeal,
with greater alacrity, if possible, than ever, give its sup-
port to a Government which, having made every possible
attempt to obtain peace, should have failed in doing se,
said is compelled to carry on the war for the attainment of
that peace—a war which the sense and judgment of the
country have pronounced to be virtually indispensable and
necessary. (Cheers.) We shall in that case throw ourselves
upon the generous spirit of Parliament and the country ;
that generous spirit I am confident we shall not ask for in
vain. (Hear, hear.) lam sure that in that state of things
all our minor differences and mere party shades of distinc-
tion will vanish, that men of all sides will feel that they
are Englishmen, and that they ought to support their coun-
try in its great emergencies. I am confident we shall show
the noble and glorious spectacle that, as a free people and
under a constitutional Government, there is a life, a spirit,
an energy, a power of endurance, and a Vigour of action
which are vainly to be sought for under despotic rule or
under arbitrary sway. The noble lord concluded by mov-
ing that the Speaker do now leave the chair, and resumed
his seat amid loud cheers.

Mr. DISH AELI—Sir, I was under the impression that,
upon this occasion, it would not have been necessary for me
to refer to the conduct of individuals in transactions which
preceded the formation of the Government of which the
noble lord is the head ; but the noble lord has introduced
into this discassion the name of a noble friend of mine in
such a manner that I am sure the house will not think it
unreasonable on my part if I make one or two remarks with
reference to the introductory part of the address of the ta-
ble lord. It is true, as is well known, that the Earl of
Derby was honoured hy the commands of her Majesty on a
recent occasion to attempt to form an Administration to
carry on the Government of the country. Under those
circumstances Lord Derby was influenced by only ono con-
sideration, which was the expediency at the present mo-
ment of forming a strong Government for this country.
Considering the emergency which now occupies all our at-
tention, and which demands our utmost energies, Lord
Derby was of opinion that it was the duty of a statesman,
consulted under those circumstances by his Sovereign, to
advise her Majesty that every effort should be made in or-
der that her Majesty's affairs might be conducted by an Ad-
ministration that had the confidence, and more than the
confidence, of Parliament and the country. Sir, it was with
that view that Lord Derby opened Ur% communication with
the noble lord ; but (I am quite sure unintentionally on the
part of the noble lord) he has in my opinion conveyed an
impressionto the house which would induce the house ra-
ther to misapprehend the motives by which Lord Derby was
influenced under those circumstances and the object which
he attempted to accomplish. It should be borne in mind
by the house that this was not the first time under simi-
lar circumstances that Lord Derby had felt it his duty to
open communications with the noble lord in order to
form an Administration for her Majesty ; and I believe
I may say that on previous occasions not far distant—
about three years ago or more—there had passed those
communications between my noble friend and the noble
lord opposite which convinced my noble fiend (Lord
Derby) that between himself and the noble lord there
was no difference of opinion on all the gloat subjects of
policy which should at the present time prevent their com-
ing together and uniting their energies in order to form
that which I believe the Sovereign and the country alike
desired---a strong and efficient Government. Sir, the noble
lord ou that previous occasion had, with a frankness
which was becoming enough, informed Lord Derby that it
was quite impossible for a statesman of 'his eminence and
experience to quit a body of men with whom he had beau
previously acting, and suddenly to combine with- another
body of public men, however pure, however patriotic, with-
out suffering a loss in his character, and without belly, sub-
ject to misconception in public opinion, which Wouhrmar,
and justly mar, his opinions as a public man. It was on
that occasion that Lord Palmerston stated to the Earl of
Derby that it was impossible for him to join his (Lord
Derby's) Cabinet alone, that ho had friends whom he
should wish to accompany him, and the names of those
friends were mentioned in conversation. Therefore, when
my noble friend made this communication to the noble
lord to assist him in his endeavours (which have been un-
successful) to form an Administration, my noble friend an-
ticipated the position in which the noble lord now stands,
and as it were continuing the conversation of a preceding
period, he said he was perfectly prepared to meet the diffi-
culties. Had the noble lord joined his Administration
there would have been no difficulty, of course, to the elec-

.tion of the noble lord of the two right hon. gentlemen to
whom ho has refered. But certainty it never could have
that if the nol,L

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nos in bid power to iein h.
esa !t:.:, he I:beily to wake applicatian
other right hon. geetleineu, stating at the same time that
he was authorised by Lord Derby to offer them seats in the
Administration my noble friend was about to form ; and
that he was thus to take two prizes, though he could have
nothing himself to do with politics. (Hear, hear.) I must
say, I think, if the noble lord, after having received the
proposition of Lard Derby in a tone of encouraging friend-
liness, found upon deliberation, that he could not himself
accept a place in his Cabinet, it would have been a frank
and straightforward course upon the part of the noble lord
to have informed Lord Derby of that result, in conse-
quence of which any negotiation with the friends who ad-
here to the noble lord must have failed. Sir, it was not
my intention, for many reasons, to have adverted to
these things. It is the noble lord who introduced
the subject, and it is in vindication of the conduct of Lord
Derby that I allude to the circumstances which the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer has in a most marked manner
mentioned in a communication to Lord Derby, aid which
has been read in another place. Well, sir, the attempt of
Lord Derby to form a strong Government has failed, not-
withstanding the encouragement of his overtures by the no-
ble lord. The attempt of ord Derby to form an administra-
tion which should meet the exigencies of the times, the
feelings of the people, the wishes of the Throne, and the
demands of the country has failed ; but let it not for a
moment be supposed that Lord Derby refused at any time
to form au administration with such power as he might
possess, provided no other body of public men, except his
followers, were ready to serve their Sovereign. Under no
circumstances did Lord Derby refuse to form a Govern-
ment. The attempt of Lord Derby to form a strong Go-
vernment has failed. The attempt of the noble lord to
form a Government has succeeded ; whether it be a strong
Government—whether the noble lord has formed a Govern-
ment such as the country has a right to look for is a secret
at present in the womb of time. (Hear.) The noble lord
has certainly felt justified to enter into a panegyric on the
great qualifications of his colleagues. They possess adminis
trative abilities of a high character. They possess, accord-
ing to the noble lord, great political sagacity. (Laughter.)
They are distinguished, according to the noble lord, by
truly liberal opinions. Well, sir, there are gentlemen be-
low the gangway who are better judges of the value of
the political opinions of the present Government, and on
that subject I need not touch ; but at least I may form
some opinion of the administrative ability of the noble
lord's colleagues, on which he has dilated, by the advan-
tage of experience. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) One
would have supposed, according to the noble lord, that the
new administration which presents itself for the first time
to-night to Parliament, consisted of a body of distinguished
and experienced statesmen who had for some time been
withdrawn from public affairs—who remote had been
from the observation and from the criticism of their con-
temporaries and of the country. (Laughter.) When, how-
ever, eve recollect that that ministry which the noble lord '
says is, so distinguished for its administrative ability, for
its political sagacity, consists of the same ministers who
only a few days ago were, in the opinion of Parliament,
remarkable for their deficiencies—(hear, ,hear)—were less
conspicuous than any body of public men for their politi-
cal sagacity, I say I think it was an unfortunate introduc-
tion by the noble lord when he dilated on their qualifica-
tion")' and rendered it necessary for me, on an occasion
like the present, to make any remark. I should have
thought a solemn silence more becoming the occasion. If
I had been the noble lord I would have dwelt more upon
the future than upon the present, and I do not think he
exercised a wise discretion when he recommends himself
to the confidence of Parliament on the strength of the ad-
ministrative abilities of men who have been recently con-
demned for the want of thern--(Hear)--and whose politi-
cal sagacity has brought upon the country a great and ac-
knowledged calamity. Well, sir, what was all this a pre-
face to on the part of the noble lord ?—his allusion to the
failure of some, to the success of others, in forming a Go-
vernment—that dwelling on the distinguished personal
qualifications of his colleagues aid companions—what was
all this a preface to? The noble lord does not appear to
me to have been happy in the first address which he has
made in this house which he is now to manage, for he has
comps.red the House of Commons to Wet Tyler. (Laugh-
ter.) This seems a strange comparison for one who ought
to be as proud of being leader of this house as of being the
chief :in the councils of his sovereign. But the noble lord
says you have succeeded in your sedition. Now the time
is come when you are to return to your allegiance, and re-
pose renewed and removed confidence in the new Ministers
of the Crown—who are the old ministers whom you have
recently condemned. What a strange string of reasons
has the noble lord given as his arguments why the house
shank: rescind a resolution which it had arrived after so
Prolona-ed a debate and in such a full assembly. The noble
lord gives us a catalogue of what he describes as improve-
ments in the administration which the newly constructed
Cabinet has decided upon. Of course, it will be much more
easy for us to gauge the merits of the measures of the near
Cabinet, when wehave them more in detail, and have had
au opportautty of examining a little into the matured ar-
raugements. But admit for argument's sake that they are
all improvements, necessary improvements, urgent im-
provements, inestimable improvements. What a satire on
the late Government are these improvements ! (Hear,
hear, and laughter from the Opposition.) If these improve-
ments are necessary, and of so urgent and inestimable a
character—if these improvements are to be the means of
extricating us from our difficulties, what becomes of the
predecessors of the Cabinet—(hear, hear)—of those men
who, for so long a period, not only neglected to fulfil these
necessary duties, but to the last hour of their existence ap-
pealed to the house to say that these charges were net
necessary, and that there were no circumstances which
demanded any improvement or any investigation—(hear,
hear, no, no, and counter cheers)—and who declared that
the desire on the part of the House of Commons to inquire
into the causes of the mismanagement--which is now not
only- confessed, but is to be remedied—was a vote of want
of confidence in the Administration, and condemnatory of
their character as public men ? Why, sir, let the House
of Commons well consider what is asked to do. One of
the finest armies which England ever sent forth myste-
iiously disc oars • disaarare not the sword of the
„ es vrt, unz u uduutu, uiboo ageau, Pallt vau-
quish. It disappears by means so mysterious that a most
experienced statesman, with all the advantage of the into-
Her secrets of the Cabinet, confessed anti announced in this
house that he could not penetrate or understand the causes
of the mystery. The House of Commons must recollect
this—that the position in which it is placed is not that of
a public calamity which suddenly urges and stimulates
some independent member from feelings of patriotism—al-
though mot, perhaps, of prudence—to call for an inqniry,
and to re-echo the voice of an anxious nation. Sir, the
gravest Minister of the Crown, the First Minister of the
Crown in the House of Commons—a man of whom
of all parties the house is most proud, who had pre-
viously been Prime Minister of England for a long
period of years—a man whose qualifications, whose sa-
gacity, whose wisdom, whose statesmanlike qualities have
been justly eulogised by the First Minister on the Trea-
sury bench—a man who, although he had unintentionally
destroyed his late colleagues, had already been employed
by them on an august mission—this eminent person came
down to Parliament, and told us, with all the advantage
of official experience, that he could not penetrate into the
mystery of this nationai calamity, and that he thought an
inquiry ought to be granted._ :Supported by this autho-
rity, and re-echoing the universal opinion of the people of
Great Britain, the House of Commons—not iu haste, but
after a debate which occupied at least a period of many
days, with unusual numbers, with members hastening
from all parts of the country, and by a majority almost
unparalleled in the records of Parliament— declared that
an inquiry was not only the duty of Ministers, whoever
they might be, but that an inquiry by a committee of the
House of Commons was the only mode by which the im-
provements that might be necessary could be indicated.
Now, we are told to-night that the House of Commons is
to stultify itself—that this House of Commons, which
only ten days ago, under circumstances of such unmis-
takeable conviction, sanctioned by the high authority of
the leader of the House of Commons, the First Minister of
the Crown in the house—that this House of Commons
which arrived at this solemn decision is to recede from the
groiend it so triumphantly occupies, and is to rescind a re-
solution thus solemnly arrived at, and, if they consent to
do so, are to inflict a blow on its reputation and public in-
fluence which a long period of years will, in my mind,
never counteract. What is the strange argument of the
noble lord and his reburnished colleagues to induce the
House of Commons to do this ? The noble lord has shown
that. great improvements are necessary, and that Govern-
ment is prepared to admit the necessity of remedying
the present state of affairs. Well, sir, if these are the
sick fruits which we have already obtained, what may
we not obtain from the inquiry? I do not know
what hononrtblo gentlemen may choose to do on this
subjtect, but I know what is the course which I shall
take;. (Hear.) I shall endeavour to support in every
way the decision of the house—(hear, hear)—and what I
feel. is the strong and wholesome opinion of the country.
(Hew:, hear.) I am for inquiry, and I am for a parliamen-
tavy inquiry, into the condition of the army before Sebas-
topol, and into the branches of the Administration which
should have prevented the lamentable condition of the
tro ape. Sir, we hardly know what is the consequence of
minr adhering to the solemn resolution at which we have
ali oady arrived ; but I cannot suppose that the noble lord
is about to commence his carom- as First Minister by
attiempting to control and menace the opinion of Perlis-
eat rut, which has been given in so influential a manner.
All I can say is, that if so, I am ready to face my consti-
tu nuts and vindicate my conduct as their representative.
I r ;hall never seek a more favourable opportunity of so
ing than when there was an unparalleled disaster falling
on. the country, and when one of the greatest blows which
he 4; ever been experienced by Englishmen has occurred.
When following the advice of a great Minister of State,
although he sat on an opposite bench, I support such a
re. elution of the House of Commons. The noble lord has
tlaitered--I will not say held out hopes to the country
tie it there may boa release, which has so often been pro-
mised us, but has so often avoided its accomplishment. I
ne ed. not assure the noble lord on the possibility of circuua-
st ances at which we shall all rejoice, that as far as gentle-
men who sit on this side of the house are concerned, be-
ca 'use we feel that no one who occupies-the position of the
noble lord will ever consent to terms of peace which are
un :worthy of the occasion—which would not justify our
ha wing had recourse to arms. The noble lord has stated
that if these attempts to obtain peace shall fail, he will
ap Peal with confidence to the support of the house, and to
thu country. The noble lord will not appeal in vain, but
he can receive no support from this side of the house for
fine prosecution of the war which his predecessors have not
alriestly received ; for never was there an Administration
wt Lich received from an Opposition so cordial a support—a
en p port so sincere and hearty as that which was received by
Li ird Aberdeen's Ministry from the Opposition during the
ti, ere he was inoflice. Never was there a Ministry which
en tared into a war with such advantages as the late Mini-
st( irs and their identical representatives— a unanimous peo-
pl. I, a unanimous Parliament, magnificent troops and a
rgaiiticent fleet, and, as we know, not only a cordial, but
a 1 Powerful ally. How men with such advantages could
ha ye reslised such disasters—(hear, hear)—how on such
vas stage ground they could have so mismanaged the affairs
of the country that with a unanimous Parliament they
ha ,re yet contrived by the aid of their own political sup-
po eters to have been overcome by a crushing majority, the
fu tune historian only will be able to explain. But, sir, let
us on this occasion—although we have the same indivi-
du cis in a new form now regulating the affairs of the
co Lustre,— let us hope that those men, who a fortnight ago
wt 3 unparalleled blunderers, may now, fortunately, be
tr; saisformed into expert statesmen ; let us hope that those
m. set who, with unprecedented resources, realised either no
re sults, or only disasters, may now—a fortnight having
el spsed—open new and unexpected scenes of success, of
pr osperity, and of 'triumph ; and let me assure them that,
as long as they attempt to do their duty in conducting
thi 1.11 war, they may reckon, so far as the Opposition is con-
cer nod, on the same support which their-identical prede-
CCS. is )rs received. (Hear, hear.) I doubt not, if disaster
be tl rein lot, if maladministration be inseparable from their
coast ition, when they fail they will, like their predecessors
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