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London, England, 1855-05-22 00:00:00

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meet his propositions. . te
Sir J. PAKINGTON said—lt . , 1.4 , inkjetittag
the noble lord has stated any facts -win ever, or added any-
thing to what Las fallen from the noble *lord the P;iine
Minister, which can guide the houses to a alecision upon the
question whether the right hon. gentleunan the member
for Manchester ought or ought not to peraevere in his mo-
tion- Ido not believe that therd is on either side of the
house) the least disposition to press her Majesty's Govern-
ment. (Hear, hoar.) The circumstances are too important
for any' such desire to exist ; but if tho sight hon.
Clete
gentlemee's the member for Manchester is eterred from
persevering in his motion, I think it rieht, that the house
should have .a, more explicit statement from her Majesty's
Government Get the point, whether the conferences are still
going on, and n egotiations still pending. I think that
difficulties have ,arisen, and this confusion has been
created, from the f 'eat that the
.negotiations have taken
place at the capital of a neutral power. Our representa-
tive still remains I'6. Vienna, but the plenipotentiaries
have returned, and Government has laid the protocols
on the table of this Lenge. The natural and usual course
is for Parliament to p,%ss its opinion on those protocols,
and I cannot see why the right hon. gentleman the mem-
ber for Manchester should forbear to press his motion, un-
less Government is prepared to tell the house that neeotia-
tions are still pending, an d that they are still open. Itthink
it right that the house she uld have a more explicit declara-
tion cn this point. It is imp. ossible for the house not to come
to the conclusion that ner Ilajesty's Government is a party
to the two courses which have been proposed—first, lsy the
right hon, gentleman the m ember for the University of
Oxford, who propmses the 1 djournneent of the h eine.;
secondly, by the right hon. gentleman the memb sr for
South Wilts, who has intimated his intention of leaving
the previous queetion I think from the conversation which
has taken place that the'Jeouse has good cause to be!ieve chat
her :Nest '
y a Governtm ant is anxious that one of the two
courses
should be adopts a The noble lord save Viet he is
prepered to meet the in t• . with ' negative.-
',Ai
' then had he not asked thel • a '
a ighthon. gentlemen not tebriug
forward their motions, in
way ? Why did the nol'elel.l. terithat he might meet it in this
put aside the regular busi-
ness of the evening in order t T;
the member for Manchester 1'
iat the right hon. gentleman
op-
portunity
now appears that the noble lord and
cle his question, when it
her Majesty's Govern-
ment are desirous to evade the, question-
occurred which renders it d esirabren. that tho discussion
h If anything has
should be postponed, I think th s house will
jesty'a Government expresses eu, sia a desire agree
_ if her Ha-
i sence of any such declaration fr. ,La her
m'a;.€bttit, in the ah:
merit, I see noreason—certainly none Las j •
beensy's Gorarn-
why the noble lord should chang 0 the purpose whit
rgned
anuounced-ou a former occasion ; and I think uNor 1:„hs !
has been assigned why the right hunt. gentleman the j'.e
()-
bar for Manchester should not persevere in his motiolnn.ein.
Sir G. GREY—I think the question of the right Iron,
hart, has been answered in auLLoipation. He is asked
whether the conferences have beets closed, or rather lie has
assumed that the plenipotentiaries have been withelrawee
I think the statement of my noble friend was that the con-
ferences were not closed, but were alow in the smile position.
as when they were, at the request of the Russian. plenipo-
tentiaries, adjourned, without a day having been fixed for
their renewal. They have not been Enally closed, and any
proposition by any of the powers they still he entertained
by the members of the conference who slid remain at
Vienna. Therefore it is not the truth that the plenipoten-
tiaries have been withdrawn. My noble friend. wes
associated with Lord Westmoreland. The French Mi-
nister for Foreign Affairs was associated with Baron
Bourqueney, who is left, also at Vienna. Lord -West-
moreland has else full powers tc' act alone, and Baron
Bourquency has the same powers. The elements of the
conference, therefore, still remain, and on any (ley on
which the conference may be resu med, any new proposi-
tion may be taken into considers tion. The right hon.
baronet has assumed that her Majesty's Government were
anxiously on the watch for every opportunity to avoid this
discussion. That statement has alreesly been denied by
my noble friend at the head of the Government. He stated
that Government were prepared to mem: the die mission if
the house pleases to go on with it, and if the right hon.
gentleman the member for Manchester, after whoa be has
heard, is willing to leave the discretion in the h %lids of the
house. (Hear.)
Mr. M. GIBSON—The right hon. gentleman has placed
rather a heavy responsibility on me, but I admit I am
boned to endure it, as I have given notice of moving this
address. The hon. and learned member for Sheffietd says
I have thrust myself forward in the matter, and t hat he
and his friends are determined to have an honorable
peace, but that there are others who would have pe: tee at
any price. Ido not know upon what authority he i slakes
that assertion, or why he and his friends are to arm gate
to themselves an exclusive appreciation of the value of- the
honour and dignity of the country. (Hear, hear.) 1 do'
not yield to him or to any man in this houSe in a de 'ire
co uphold the dignity and honour of my country—(hew)— .
and I would not be the man to stand up in my place in
the House of Commons and advocate any course which I
thought inconsistent with the safety, the honour, and :the
dignity of the country. (Hear, hear.) The Government
ought, I think, to have anticipated discussion when they
laid these papers on the table of the house. (Hear,
bear.) I considered, when the Government placed be-
fore the houses of legislature a record of the proceedings
of a recent conference, they invited the opinion of Parlia-
ment on the course which they had pursued ; and having-
myself perused the papers, I felt at liberty, under the
circumstances, to move au address, with a view of sub-
mitting an opinion to the consideration of the house.
But I admit the difficulty of the position, now the Go-
vernment tell us that the conferences are not ended, and
that before they are fully concluded, the Austrian Go-
vernment are understood to be charged with pro-
posing some plan for bringing about an understanding be-
tween the belligerent powers—that that government will,
before the conclusion of these conference., ea bruit a plaza
Ito the governments of France and England, for the re-es-
tablishment of peace. This being the case, anti hearing- •
also from the government that under these circumstances
they would feel at liberty to discuss with frankness and
without reserve the various proposals Cathave been made,
I admit I feel that I should not be serving perhaps the ob-
ject I have myself in view, or serving the public interest,
if I were to persevere in this motion. And I feel this; the
more especially when the right hon. gentleman tells me
he will meet it by moving the previous question, because
the division would then be taken, not on the merits of my
proposal, but on the preliminary consideration of whether
or not it was convenient, after the statement made by the
government, that such a proposal should be made at all. ..
In postponing it, however, I mean not „to• abandon the
proposal. (Hear, hear.) But if the existence of the con-
ference is to be a reason why the opinion of parliament '
should not be taken on the policy of the goi`'ernment, I
want to know how long these conferences are to last ?
(Hear, and a laugh.) For if they are to go on hum day to
day till the end of the session, they will thus uniloubtedly
gain the advautageof throwing overthe discussion on their
policy altogether. While, therefore,l feel compelliad to re-
spond to theappealsthat have been made to me to postpone
the motion now, I beg to give notice of my intention to
take the very earliest opportunity after Whitsuntide of
bringing it forward. (Cheers.)
Mr. MA.LINS could not help rising to express his opinion .
on the present state of affairs. The nation was watching
the proceedings of the house with intense anxiety and yet
no rational grounds were given to *arrant the expectation
that any propositions would be made. Nothing was given
by an assurance that at some indefinite period some pro-
positions would be brought forward. Tile opinion of the
country and its feelings had a right, to be considered.
A general le.ding now prevailed that the house had
been wanting in its duty and treating this great qiies- ,
idea with an indifference •Aich would, in hie opinion pro-
duce a deep digu,t throughout the laud. He tenstal that
Government would make up its mind to deal with the
country and the house as the house and the country had
dealt with them. Government had upon all hand:: received
the most friendly support. The country had, however, ex-
pressed its opinion that the war which it had got into,
whether rightly or not, ought to be carried on to an honour-
able conclusion. He considered the present occasion as
nothing more than a solemn farce and preconcerted scheme,
which was intended to be a delusion for the country when
the country was anxious to maintain its honour and great-
ness. He must say that he heartily disapproved of the
course which was being taken -on this queOgnAnnd he
would not give his support to a Government .tficli- would
carry on the affairs of the country in this mantis:ha
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said it Was clear that the course
which the house ought to pursue depended on the fact whe-
ther it was true or not that the conferences were closed.
If Austria was about to produce propositions which might
or might not be accepted, it was clearly a legitianate ex-
case for the house not to enter upon this discussion atthe
present moment, and, in his opinion, the right bran;
ee
gen-
tleman the member for Manchester had exercised
discretion in the course which he had taken. He V'
Sir H.
bt would be
Willoughby), however, trusted that the
douere to be ex-
cleared up as to whether any propositions w
pected from Austria.
d that Austria, al.
Mr. JOHN AI`GREGOR believe
never agree to make
though acting in good faith, woulwdhineev
she
could mot do
an aggressive war against Russia, which
emhpire.
He thought
without dismembering the Austrianithout due consideration,
the war had been entered into: _ e .an
emp.re,
i and
and in ignorance of the poweere./the optedsd
to establish a ,
trusted that every mearTwpealete.°
permanent and honourable_
be had always looked upon the moz..
Mr. CAYLEY said
gentleman (Mr. Milner Gibson) as in.
thin of the right hon.
rog7to the best interests of the coun-
opportune and
dangeed lithe discussion which had just taken
try, and he consider,erms.
Those who imagined that the
tlace still more cif;
l'on represented the feelings of the people
were most eg.regone of this discliseedy
mistaken, and if the speeches which -
red should inflece the negotiations now
had been olive
.ht lead po then establishmentof
oil,they nog a most
ring ace. The more Parliament protested in f
avonr
disastrous pea
e. ant would it be for Russ.
of peace the peg _ _ ,
of la would look
upon the course taken by the advocates peace at, any price
ncoursgement to continue the contest. (Hear. ) ' i
AS an e
VICTORIA GOVERNKENT _BILL .
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• gir J. PAKINGTON suggested that the Grants of Land
Bill should be put down for a second leading at the same
time as this measure, so that the discussion could be taken
upon them both at the same time. - '
' Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to that course, and '
would put them down for a second • reading on the 14th of
Juno.

Mr. LOWE said he could not undertake to discuss both
bills in the same debate, as biz objections to the one were
totally different from the objections he had to the other.
Both bills were then ordered to be read a second time on
the 14th of Juno.
COAL MINES INSPECTION BILL.
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FISHERIES (BRITISH ISLANDS AND
FRANCE)
BILL.

This bill was read a second time.
EDUCATION OF PAUPER CHILDREN BILL.
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the house.
The Brighton Incorporation Bill
LAND was road
BILL a second time .
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