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that the general opinion of the House mite favourable, it
was that which the Noble Eat I so 'multi iteprecated.
Earl fitlEY explainosts lie repeated Intl it was a ease
'Welt Minielere could net compromistewithout a violatien
of duty. •
'the `e'..ai I of HAIIROWHY said, if it hail been possible
to keep the Queen from renting to Eng mild to disturb the
public tranquillity, esery Immutable mast would have
consented to sacrifice his own coestitntional consistency,
rather than agitate the quo-lion. When the (Nitre came
over, there was Ho alternative. An applicati ~,, Par-
!ism cot was IllinVOilla Mr. He had a better °einem of
Parliament than to suppose they would consider the report
in any other light than that of a verdict eiveu by is Grand
Jury. liwatices had occur' eel its whit Ai charges of this
description, against persons in legit swim's, had not
been brought to trial fur seven years. The tsound inflict-
ed by the repot' of the Committee must have been given
by the bill which the Noble Ea' I was to present to-
morrow.
The Earl of CARNARVON denied that the Secret
Committee stood in the situation of a Grand Jury The
t viticuee neon v hich they suede their report would lint
have been received by a Grand Jury. Tiie subject wnuld
involve a most painful enquiry, and if the Noble Lords
opposite should proceed atilt the Coronation until it was
eecitled, it would occasion ilis.atisfact UM in thr poodle
need, already too li agitated. It was nut to the Icel.
ing of clantutous auui dangelons 111111 that lie Mild&
d, bum
to all classes of nicii, mho siete looking to the pi oveed•
lugs of Parliament upon this 1110111elit.nei uojeci. H.
submitted whether it would Hut be wise., able to 1,1).1111)11r
the Coruna lion. If it was brunglat on in the pi el, hi %Id I e
of public feeling, the joy um{ has uHaly
prevail amongst all his :tinjesty's subjects woulo be ilia ...• .
to discord and discontent.
Earl DARNLEY objected to the proceedings of his
Majesty'. Goverauseat
Earl GREY again explaineA, and observed that lie 11411
[maid no argument elated 11 the Noble beds, %%Inch
could justify then: in COlOl.lll Mit to pity the QtlVell 0 0d0.•
a year taken front the pitons., for the sole ;twist:hie 01
remaining abroad. It seemed that she was at heel
whilst away from this remelt)), to indulge in the hero
tionsness imputed to her majesty, but the stioniesst she .1'
foot in England, the evideuiee was to be brought memos
her. This was no family difference, as it had beets de
scribed. It was a high state crime, and it was the ono
of his Majesty's bliiiisteis to make it the subject of pot-
ent% proceedislg, whether the Queen was in England or
upon the Continent.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL maintained that it was a
public evil to bring forward the charges against her Ma-
jesty, and if that person had abstained from coining to
England, it would have been the duty of his Majesty's
Ministers to abstain from bringing furward the charges.
This was the opinion of eiuety-nine out of a hundred. Nu
Statesman, no man, would have proceeded in such a case
without necessity forced him on.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM supported the pi o-
ceeding by secret Committee, the House, in his opinion,
having sanctioised it in their vote.
Lord lIOLLAND could not admit that the House was
implicated in the proceedings of ellitieters, who could
never he justified in their design of making a sacrifice of
50,0001. of the public money to keep Ilse Queen abroad.
It was, on the whole, a proceeding delogatui y to the dig-
nity of the Ci own, and the honour of Pathmmeut.
The conversation then finished, and the Lords were
summoned lor to-morrow.
wEDSESDAY. JULY is
The House of Lords. in consequence of of having been engaged
to day in hearing appeals, did not meet until live o'clock.
Alter several Sills had been brought up from the Commons,
Lord HOLLAND rte to present a petition. winch he lishl
in his hand, against the Alien Act. Ile was totally unacquainted
with the pawns who had signed it ; but from its nature. he felt
himself bound to move that it be laid on their Lordship) table.—
The Petitioners stated that the provisions oi the Mien Act might
be applied must injuriously in the course of the investigation
which that House was about to institme, and which at present SU
much occupied the attention of the country. Tracy gave Min.s-
ters the absolute power either of keeping or sending out of the
country such witnesses as bier Majesty might deem necessary for
her defence, while a secure and peaceful residence might be given
to those on the part of tier accusers. Time Petitioners, tilereiore,
prayed, that the Alien Bill should not be passed, or, at lea.t.
that such clauses should be intioduced as would prevent the
evils which they mentioned. His Lordship cuncuned in the
&Stem of the Petition as constitutional and necessary to ensure
substantial justice to her Majesty. The Petitioners were certain
inhabitant), of te eitinitester
Tug Queer.—Lord DACRE rose to present a Petition from
her Majesty the Queen. in consequence of the extrtairdinary
report whiten Mid been made by Me Committee of that House.—
Her Majesty stated that she had weighty matters to iiige, which,
SO far as she could understand the nature of tin! charges against
her, it was ab,ulutely necessary for her utfence, that their Lord.
a'aips should ue put in possession in it at the present stage et time
proceemegs. Her Majesty nieretore prayed that bile be
heard by Counsel at the liar of the Howie. /le (Lord Dacre)
was perfectly unacquainted with the CifellintstalleCli alluded to,
but trusted the Queen's demand would be granted. It was pro.
bable 04 the blt.S.AtlitiOnti winch her Counsel had to urge might
expedite and tacitness the proceedings in the important case
which engeg, d is much of their attention.
Lord LIVERPOOL imalti nut help remarking upon the ex-
traordinary nature of tie advice which had in thus instence been
given to the Queen. He ass at a loss to know how she became
informed Mum tirocetsiings of that i louse. It was utterly am-
possible to hear Counsel iii this stage of the business. It her
Majesty would wai until the bill, wince he had given notice of,
was submitted to the House—until the best step in the proceeding
against her was taken—he would then move tdat a copy of that
Bill be laid before the Queen, and her atatosty'r Comael might
then regularly urge whatever they had to state mexisawy for net
defence.
teed DACRE assented to the course which the Noble Lord
had einuted out WAS. probably, teem a:idly correct; but when
the high station and peculiar arctunstances of the illustrious
individual allude,: to were considered, lie trusted that her Ma-
jesty's demand would not on such grounds be reused.
'And ELLEN litlltOU(stl could not co:Avg that the high
station of the illustrious individual in common should at all
weigh with the hiouse. No le eater tacility should be given to
the Queen than to the lowest subject in the State; and he would
titeraure vote agaimt the 11111t1011.
teat tatleY said, filet .he iiouse was platted in its present
cilibarriesinng situation ey hie con.duci lit Alitsters in sending the
charges 41,4411itit time Q.ncen hb a i•weret Committee. Ile agiettl in
the gehcrai prlist,ults Leal own by the Noble Lord who spoke
Loa. ilia there were peculiar circumstances in the preterit case,
deserving of attention. Sic was shuntedes no other individua'
01 tank heel be,di, .8 modern itild..s--us no ot;tes subject td this
country could be with respect to that House.
The motion on the prayer of hue Miisty's Petition was nega.
Wed without a diyisizi.

BILL TO DISSOLVE THE ROYAL MARRIAGE, AND DEZ
TIME VIE QUEEN or HER PRIVILERES.--Tlis Earl or
I.IV ERI4IOI, then said, it was his painful duty to bring in ear
Bilj.of_ythich he had given notece.wThe principle of the BM
`would chllectid from the slaanible, and it would be for those
wtioni it concerned to disprove the allegations in it. As the lima
would conic ftw the illustrious Person to make her defence, it
was far front his intention to urge any thing that might produce
more prejudice in the public mind. The noble Easl defended
tha proceeding adopted by his Majesty's Ministers on this un-
happy occasion, and oboarved, if he was to renew his steps, he
should re-tread the some ground again. It had been stated on
the best legal authority, that no judicial proceeding could be
maintained in this case, consequently there could be no impeach.
nient. That being the case, and impeachment out of the ques.
tion. the Bill he bail to introduce was the properproceeding. By
!met euesutturio l'arlimeati, the proceeding nsigiit arise in either
House, but it was better it should originate in that House. The
only question had been, whether this Bill should be breught in
on the responsibily of Government, or by the recommendation
of a Secret Committee. He had inquired into the subject, and is
ISM evident that a proceeding of the kind should not be introduced
on the ipso devil of Ministers of the Crown. It was said the
Report on the table went to prejudice the Illustrious Individual.
Undoubtedly it did prejudice her to a certain extent, but it was
the unavoidable consequence of every proceeding of this nature.
The Bill, said the t.,, le Earl, proceeds to deprive the Queen of
her titles, rank, and prerogative as Queen Consort, and dissolve
her marriage. This is the nature of it. There are no penal
consequences. It has been formed not to fall with unnecessary
seierity on the Illustrious Individual. The enacting clauses of
this Bill may be altered according to the circumstances which
may appear to the Committee. The sense of the charge will
appear in the preamble. I trust your Lordships will, on this as
well as every other -proceeding, insure the respect and confidence
of the country. I propose to read this Bill the first time this
day, and I propose that a copy oh' the Bill may be Mrwarded in a
respectful manner to her Alajesty. Your Lordships will perhaps
not proceed with the second reading fo: two or three days. until
we know what the fsclings of the Liustrious Person are on the
subject of her defence. 1 should prise:he to fix a day on Monday
iitst, for fat cher proceeding. It was the duty of the House to meet
toe. questisn with firmness. It was some satisfaction to know,
tear during a period of near two hundred years, there had not
he. a a Insper of satanic against any of our Queens. Her late
Majesty was a pattern to ad wives. They had a painful duty to
perturni, and could not shrink irons it.—The Noble Earl then
moved the first reading of the BilL
It was accordingly read, and appeared to be a Bill to deprive
her Majesty of her title and privileges as Queen of England, and
to dissolve her Marriage with the King. The preamble stated,
that her Ilisjesty.shen Princess of Willis in 1814, beingat
had in her service one Bartholomew Bergarni. A degrading inti-
macy was held between her Majesty and this Berge:M. She not
only advanced him from a menial situation in her set vice to this
rank of an officer, but bestowed on him great and extraordinary
favours, and obtained fur him an Order of Knighthood. While
he was in her service, the Queen, regardless of her honour.
conducted herself with indecent familiarity and freedom, carrying
on an adulterous connection. and a long course of licentiousness.
in violation of her duty to his Majesty. as well as her character of
Queen. The Lords spiritual and temporal, in Pitchman* as-
sembled. declared, therefore, that her Majesty. after the passing
of tote Act, should be deprived of her title of Qum, anti her
marriage dissolved and annulled.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved, after the Bill had been
real, that a copy of it be sent to her Majesty by her Attorney
General.
Earl GREY rose to ask whether any additional information
was to be afforded the Queen, as without more particular evi-
dence of the charges than the mere statement in the Bill, hes
Majesty sould not be able to meet the actuation. The Habit
Earl also asked if the Queen was to have a list of the witnesses
against her.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, it was unusual to gives list
of witnesses in any criminal proceeding. meept High Treason.
Full time would be allowed her Majesty to prepare to answer
the charges by witnesses at the Bo: of the House, when the
Lords at in Committee on the Bill. He was not aware of any
aduitional infonuation that could be given.
Lord DACRE then adverted to the Queen's Petition, and
moved that Counsel be called to the Bar to state matters neces-
sary for tier defence.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL considered the motion at that
time quite irregular. but haul no objection to consent to Counsel
being heard to morrow.—Adjourned.
Tann/way, atest 8.
Tits QUEEN.—Lund DACRE presvated another Peti-
tion trout her Majesty, equest Mg, the preseut state of
the question, to be heard by Counsel.
'Cue Petition was lead by the Clear, in substance as
follows:—" The Qoevit has heard with inexpressible as..
tomslouesit,lliat a Rill, tending io deg rade It er,and dissolve
her MAI ridge, has hei n brought into the House of Lords,
,slate her Alajes'y has no Counsel to ossert her tights.
The alleged utferice is curtained its the Report of the
limit Committee on the Paper. The Queen' is further
iiifuitned, that her Counsel is refused a hearing at the
Bar wt pot tits ellipOrtillot to her defence, and that a list of
Witsie,atii arc to tue dented her Majesty. Uhder sliest
CUMA•IIICUS the Qurru donate whether she has any
1:011fAe left than to protest against the whole proceeding.
She is, however, %stators to make one mute efi'ort, and in
that view requests her Counsel may be heard at the liar."
lie LOAD CHANCELLOR, said, this was a case of the
utmost torportatice to all who might be accused before
that House. The Petition was nut fpocitic, and did nut
slate what points Counsel have to speak to. It was Cou-
ltas.), to all precedent, that Delete the proofs had b. it
ink:need to warrant the sec I sealing of the 110, list
defence should be entrust iota,
for that di-teeter magus
never be necessary. The question, Iherelutr, was not
Wit Hier Comisel should be celled but lie should move
that Counsel be called in, and instructed what points they
mir to speak to," asked what those points were.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL supported the Chancellor's
proposition.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then ordered ;Motors.
Brougham and Denman to he called to the Bar, and, by
com.bamd of the House, asked to what points the) to-
tended to speak?
Mr. BROUGIIASI ssiti—" In obedience to the coin-
mood of this House, we are to state on oliot points we
iii .cud to address your Lordships. It is our tillaution to
duel air Celittill Matt-I MI the part of the Queen, which
we contiot hot Milk are calculated to ',roam e an impor-
tant effect Imola the councils of this House. It is matter
of detriment to her Majesty that your Lordships should
have been advised to reject the ',ennuis of ) esteritas•
',resented before the Bill was read."
Counsel then ii Wilke iv, and, after some discussion,
wese railed egoist to speak mil) to the mode of proceeding
on the Bill, and to time.
Mt. 11110IGHAal then addressed the House. It had
leached act tisosty's car, that she was to bc dealt with in
all tests CIO as II die was the lowest, iiistrad of the highest
subject. God giant, said the Learned Counsel, also vs:s
in tne situation of the lowest subject. If so, she violist
not have to complain of delay. Had she Ineu the tovan•

est of his Majesty's liege subjects, she would have had no
proceeding against her such as this. She would have
been fenced round by the protection the law of England
Fives to the honour, life, and property of the lowest sub-
ject. There must have been the verdict of a Jury. she
would have been declared guilty by twelve hottest upright
conscientious Englishmen, before she was degraded. The
Queen would willingly exchange the throne for a cottage,
under the peace and shelter of English laws, which pro-
tects the meanest subject against oppression. The Learned
Counsel then observed, that if the evidence should prove
the Queen was at Malta or Gibraltar, when the alleged
adultery was cotnmitted, would any one say those places
were out of the British dominions? And if such a ease
was made out, could Iris Majesty's Government proceed
against the Queen in any oilier way than impeachment.
The LORD CHANCELLOR here interrupted Mr.
Brougham, and said, he would never sit on the Woolsack
to hear Counsel state whether Parliament had done right
or wrong with respect to any :lid.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had attempted to do what
he conceived to be his duty. The House had interposed
power to stop liiiu ; it was once just, and ha bowed to the
correction.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—" The House used to lie
just, and in this instance they lay down a rule that they
may not be unjust "
Mr. BROUGHAM then went on imploring that no de-
lay
might ensue. The Crown Offices', who appeared to
have been called in, as it was said, for the end of public
justice, must be prepared to go on. At the same time he
would say these officers did not believe the evidence they
had to Mier, otherwise they never would have offered the
Queen 50,0901. a-year out of the Puolic Revenues, when
it was their duty to proceed to impeachment.
The Bishop of EXETER here moved that Counsel do
withdraw, and submitted to the House whether tee Learu-
ed Counsel had not gone beyond his instructions?
Lord HOLLAND deprecated the interruption as un-
necessary, and Mr. BROUGHAM was agsiu heard. He I
closed hi. erg 1111 l ent by stating, that the Queen had cut,- i
fidence in the honour oh the Illustrious Peers of that House,
knowing that they would nut act with injustice, or truckle
to Royalty.
Mr. DEN MAN was heard on the same aide, after which
Counsel withdrew.—Adjourned.
sense, JULY T.
Istiot.vxww Daimons' BILL.—Lord AUCKLAND wee on
the order of the day for the committal of the Insolvent Debtors'
Bill. The Noble Lord in the first instance, complained that the
principle of the Bill use bad. and stater). that it would be news-
Gary to move several amendments. One clause in the Bill re-
quired every debtor, after a Certain term, to giee up the whole of
Tat property, real and personal. at the mercy of his creditors ; and
if he did not satisfy the order of the court in that respect, he
is liable to be imprisoned, and is not to be released. To get rid
of that clause, and bring back the Bill to the principle of tinnier
Insolvent Bills, he had prepared an amendment. The debtor
was to be relieved from the punishment of severe imprisonment
if his debts were occasioned by severe tuistirrtune. and where
there was no dishonesty, it was WO touch to leave him to the
mercy of his creditor. He should purpose an amendment which
would have the effect of extending relief to Crown Debtors.
and the Noble Lord said he was anxious to introduce a clause fur
the relief of prisoners committed rot contempt of the Cuuit of
Chancery; also a clause which would have a compulsory effete
It was to give the power, after a limited period, of removing pri-
miners who were living in the Rules and squandering away the
greatest part of their pioperty, to confinement within the walls of
We prison. Another cause he meant to introduce would provide
that instead of remaining three months in prison before a debtor
applied for his discharge, lie should be empowered to present a
Petition immediately after his arrest. This enactment would be
beneficial to the creditor, because the debtor would no looser be
able to dissipate his property. The Noble Lord did rot calculate
that he should be able to get the Bill passed during the present
Session of Parliament, but in the ensuing bonitos he might be
able to bring in an improved Bill.
Lord REDIeSDALE agreed with the Noble Lord, that the
principle of the Bill ought not to be adopted. The p.inerple went
to emend the benefit of a new Bankrupt Law to those who were
not entitled to it. The Noble Lord was right in his endeavours
torostore the old principle of law. The greater past of the per-
son.. confined for debt, were persons unable to discharge their
debts. There were also many fraudulent debtors, but the great
mass of persons were really insolvent, and must remain in prison,
unless relieved by the legislature. It was to a certain degree an
offence, it a mut. contracted debts with a knowledge that he could
not discharge tiaan ; but debts were frequently the effects °finis.
fortune, perhaps oceounted by the misconduct of others. There
wereperanis, however; of r (Niacin description, namely—frau-
dulent deletes, and iu the late Insolvent Act. clauses were intro-
duced to except them. Unless the Bill before this House was
altered in that respect, it ought nut to pass the House. in the
manner this Bill was fran:al, the moment a person was impri-
soned for debt, he was in a sitteetion teat he must, within four.
teen days, apply to the Court for his discharge, .tnd then the
whole of hw property ass taken out ofhis hands. That pro-
vision was too strong. A paean imprisoned for a debt might,
if time was allowed, discharge the debt for which they were
arrested, and fourteen drys was too short a tenth Ile mentioned
this, in order that the Noble Lord might ruither consider it.—
There was &nettles point on winch he should think it. necessary to
move an kmendthe .t. As the Bill stood, the nioin:nt a person
was arrested he had nutting to do but present a l'elitoo for In.
discharge. The edict of such Petition would be that oft e,ting
all his prorerty in the hands of his cred.tore—lt' that
remained a elem. correction, it %soul- detest the ikinl,ropi. Laws.
He should therelute move a clause that nothing in the Act should
tend to defeat the Bankrupt Laws—Without that unantiment
tile Bill would not be intelligible.
Ler.; ,SUCH LAND had no objection to the amendment of
the noble and !yarned Lord. %Vim respect to the other points,
he should also pay due attention. The amendments wou.o be
printed with the Bill, and come again biture the limes: in a
turns to enable the Lords to take a more correct view of it. On
n future day he .hould move to recommit it.
The Bill den sent tlitougli the Committee; the amendments
were agreed to, and ordered to be ptinted.
The Irish Exchequer Bills 1:11 went through a Committee.
Several ether Bills were foreardal in the respective stages,

awl the Huwie wljuurned•

11011. L OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, Jt•LV 3.
LIMERICK ELECTION —3.. . VI 01) E HOUSE presented
the Ittpoit of the Lieu tick 1..1. ci.un tolumitive, %hick
dtelai. d Colonel P. Veit kt r 1.1 iI4VC beru unduly
and that Mr. km e, 114 V 6(.1'11 11111 y elected,
aught In have hers, rettiseeti. 'the C,, a isisu stated
flat 11141 bag woe.. tt 1-tealiy De 51411, the hetuctier tit
Lintetick, into cosimi) tut llu .. pi *alit 111111.111; and the
IL use, eu the geoltuoi of rt.r. %V vtlelh.wr, es destal the
said Mr. De Slag' to be consositted to his Maj.,12.'.. gain
of Newpai..
Mr. I: 01.)1.110UsF. alsu moved, as various acts of the
Coronation had heto hit...girt to light, that the Cantina-
Iste's miuulrs ul e*idenee be rinted.—Oideltd•