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TL'EsDA ♦PRIL 10.

The Earl of EGILEAIONT piesenied several petitions
from owners and occupiers of land in different parts of the
vaulty of Susses, pray ing that the house would devise some
means of alleviating the pressure of the distress under which
the agricultinal interest now lubaurs.

A number of petitiolib weuc prt bcnted agailut the Catholic
dibabilitieb removal bin —.Adjourned.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11,

The Earl of DONOUG I I MOB E presented a number of peti-
tions for and against the Roman Catholic Bill, from Roman
Catholics in Ireland. The noble earl observed, that the Catholics
were in general satiAcd with the first
.part of the bill, but many
considered the second part as an invasion of their religious rights.
Seveial other petitions of a similar nature were presented trout
ditkrent parts of the country, by Lord Kenyon, the Bishop of
London, and the Earl of Shaftesbury, which were ordered to be
laid on the table.

COMMITTEE ON TRADE AND CommEacE.—The Marquis
of LANSDOWNE laid before the house a report of the com-
mittee on foreign trade and commerce. It reLited chiefly to
Asiatic trade, and to the facilities which might be given to pri-
vate persons trading to the East and West Indies by the means
of licences. The object of the report was to lay before the Lords
the advantages which might be derived by this country in case
such facilities were afforded. The report comprehended three
branches, in which the aforesaid facilities might be granted. It
also alluded to the advantages which might be obtained by
trading to China under the system adopted by the United States
of America. The noble marquis intimated a hope that the
East India Company would act with the utmost liberality in
furtherance of the regulations recommended with respect to
Asiatic Trade by the committee. The report was finally laid on
the table.
GRAMPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.—The Earl of
CA RNAR VON rose on the order of the day for calling counsel
to the bar, to be heard against this bill, and stated the particular
object and bearing of the measure. It differed from a former
bill, inasmuch as it removed the elective franchise front the
borough of Grampound, where it had been abused, to Leeds,
which would gain two more representatives by the transfer. He
did not rise to cbject to hearing counsel, although the application
was made, in his opinion, at too late a period; but he should
endeavour to prevent counsel putting questions irrelevant or
imporper to the witnesses.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it was more than justice
o consider, when a borough was about to be deprived of its
elective francln.e, whether the royal prerogative was at all In-
fringed by the operation of the bill. He objected to the princi-
ple of the bill.— lime evidence of Sir NI. Lopez was not admissible
in a case like the present. Lord Thurlow, in a similar case,
decided that such evidence could not be received, but he rose
chatty for the purr ose of protesting against the mode in which
the noble lord intended to receive the evidence. Counsel migitt
deviate from their duty, if they did not state questions with
respect to the house ; but his lordship expressed a hope, at the
same time, that they tnight not be interrupted , if they were, he
should make objections in favour of the rates. (in the second
reacting he should object to the bill; but his object was not to
interfere until all the evidence bad been heard.

The Earl of HARROWItY expressed a wish that counsel
might be heard on both sides, and moved, that counsel be heard
for the bill us well W. against it.
The Earl of ROSEN NN said the amendment might have the
effect of postponing the consideration of the bill unul utter the
Lord ERSKINE observed, that the Commons had sent up the
Bill which would have a ',mod t diet, and it would be IllObt ungra•
cious to throw h out.

The Earl of ROSSLYN opposed the motion for hearing
counsel on both sales.

The motion of Lord Ilarrowhy was ult;mately agreed to wi:iiout
a division, and counsel for and I.Asinst the inll were ordered to
attend at the bar Thur.:l4; ..t :ire o'clock. The house then
t;,,c

THE NATIONAL REGISTER

THURSD4Y. APRIL 12.
Petition* were presented front the corporation of Dublin
A chileaeostry of Ely—the lloyal UUr,li of Dumferialnie
—and Dover, itcainst the Catholic 11:U.—Severally read
awl laid on the table.

The Lori of LIVERPOOL moved the order of the day
for hearing couovel upon the second reading of the bit sin-
pound DeTranchwement Bill.
Mr. A lietson and Mr. Adam (counsellors) were accord-
ingly called to the bar. 'rhe former was for the petitioners
against the bill, the latter for the hill. Having taken their
places at the bar, witnesses were eithed in suppoit of the hill.
Mr. Hoare, one of the voters for Grantipolind, was first
examined touching the mom distiihuted at Grampound for
the purchase of votes for S it N. Lopez, at the general
election.

Geor,e Hunt, an agent, who administered, as it was
said, to lb. Ileterlii!ies of that borou4ll, *us the next witnes,s,
Thomas Coole proved the proceedim4s at the eluction, and
that the person who read the bribery oath was hissed.
John Teed, Esq. who stood twice candidate for (ham-
pound, proved that a considerable number of the voters took
looney. He gave evidence against several on a pros( cut'
for bribery. Having ntteinpted to administer the 0:1111
against bribery, much confusion and disturbance ensued.—
One of the voters said murder would ensu if the bribery
oath was insisted on. In answer to a question put by Lord
Erskine, he said the bribery oath was not taken by one of
the voters.

Mr. Edwards, an attorney at Truro, and several other
witnesses were examitad ; after which the house adjourned.
The examination will be resumed to-mot tow.
FRIDAY. APRIL 13. . _

The L•'arl of SIMAI.'TE 11E11,1 prmented a petition from
Greenock, praying no alteration miry be made in the duties
on timber.—Laid on the table.

A copy of proceedaigs against Sir M. Lopez, and others,
upon prosecutil/11, for hrlhery, tin the Court tit King's Bench,
as pre.ented to the ha:, by the proper officer.
GRAMPOUND DISFR•NCIIIaMENT BILL—CUUMWI wete
again called to the bar, and after the examination of evi-
dence, further proceediugs Oil the bill were postponed to
Thursday, the 10th of May.
The Bishop of Chester, the Bishop of Ely, Earl Bathurst,
aad the Earl of Coventry, preseuted petitions from various
parishes against the Riotian Catholic claims.
The Earl of SIIAFTESIIUILI presented a petition
the Protestant Dissenters of ilampaead, having the nave
object.
'Cite petitions were severally read and laid on the ,able.
Several private bills were brought up the Luminous, and
read the first time.—Aitiourised to Moodily.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, ♦PRIL 9.

Oa the motion of Mr. It. Smith, leave was given to the
shert.hand writer who had atteuded the Hendon com-
mittee to appear and give evidence at the Middlesex ses-
sions on an indictment for perjury.
Sir W. LEMON presented a petition from the free-
holders of Cornwall, praying the house to adopt measures
for the restoration of the Queen to the exercise of her
rights—fur a reelection of the people's burdens—and
finally for pal liamentary reform. He concurred in the
sent Iris of the petitioners. He trusted that the house
would agree to calm and tempeu ate reform, as the most
effectual means of restoring the country to conduit and
prosperity.
Mr. THE:MAYNE said he had been requested to sup-
potr the petition, but be differed from the petitioner a on
some points. He had hoped that the question respecting
the Queen would be set at rest, and he did not go the
length of the petitioners on the subject of reforin.—Or-
dered to be printed.
Winn Taaug.—Mr. I'. WILSON presented a petition
from merchants of London, praying to be relieved from
the wool tax. He quoted several laws to sliew the
iuju-
.iuns elects of the tax 011 the wool trade. Cargoes of
wool, after leaving arrived at tile English ports, having
been sent to the United States, and elsewhere, being un-
able to meet our duties. That tax drove away the beat
wool—it had increased the ditty '25 per cent.—aced the
opt-cation of the system was, to snake the Americans 1114-
nuldettam s whether they would or not The amount
gained by the deity could not be a matter of any conse-
quenee—it was as lambing compared with what was lust
by the injury done to the nails..
-Mr. BARING remarked, that there was a notice of
motion for the repeal of the wool tax ; and then would he
the pee iod tor going ieto a discussion on the question. Ile
begged to add, that if something were not done, we should
run great risk of losing the wool trade alto4eiliel.
Petition read, and cutlet ed to be printed.
Mr. H. SUMNER moved the revival of the committee
on the Newington bill; in doing so, he should nut advert
to what had taken place in the committer. lie desired
that all unpleasant feeling should be buried ice oblivion.
Mr. G. lIENNEr complimented the lion. member on
the conciliatory temper evineed by the mode iu which
the motion was made.—hlution agreed to.
lht lice- motion of Mr. Caninng, the house went into a
committee on the pi Opositloll to grant .10,Wid. for the
Conway bridge.
Mr. Aldei man WOOD asked how it was that the public
money shutild be here advanced, when it was said that
not one shilling of public money should be advanced to
promote the rebuilding of Loudon bridge.
Ms. CANNING observed the litreiality of the city of
Loudon would tender such grant unnecessary; besides
tbere was much difference between the two cases.—Re-
solutions agreed to. Report to.murrow.
Mr. COULBURN moved that the house go into a com-
mittee on the African ports bill.
Mr. G. BENNETT moved as an amendment to the
clause, that giants 01 compensation *tumid nut be consi-
dered as filially and conclusively granted till submitted
to parliament.
'I his amendment was then put in and canted.
On another t Luise, _ .

Mr. W. SMITH said, lie took it for granted there were
to be no slaves in the Potts ; that those who were slaves
now should no longer be so.
The remaining clauses having been agreed to, the re-
pos t was ordered to be received 10-morrow.
BANK CA*II PAYMYNTS.—The CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER moved that the house go into a committee
on the batik Cash payments.

Mr. BARING rose fur the purpose of moving an in-
,truction to the coo 111 l Mee, to le-consider the provistuuA
of the batik papnents act. A better course perba4
toight be, to propose in committee to take into coosideta-
two the whole suoit et.
He concluded with moving an instruction to the cow-

miller., to consider the last bank cash payments' act,
whether it (meld to be referred to a committee, &c.
Mr. AT 1 WOOD seconded the motion. The low
prices of gold about could give its advantage; and the
boil. member argued at sonic letigili in support of his po-
sitions, but he was imperfectly heard in the genet y. It
was not the tuxes alone, he Said, that created the diflictil.
lies of tee cople, lint the debt and taxes combined.
The CHANCELLOR of the 'At:III:QUER opposed
the amendment, contending that the proposed committee
was not necessary. The operetta', of the Bank Act hail
not been quite so injurious as the lion. member would
hare the house believe. There had been in the present
quarter, for instance, an excess in the produce of the re.
venue; there was an apparent diminution as compared
w tilt a preceding quarter, owing to time having been
given to pay certain malt and hop duties.
A member, whose name we could not learn, objected
to withdrawing the one-pound notes. He could see no
giound that would result from such a measure. It would
not pi event forget ies of five pounds or other notes ; mid
lie was convinced much inconveuience would tcsult from
the withdraw ins paper from circulation. He understood
the Bank had conic to a resolution to withdraw their one.
pound notes; lie wished to know if it was so: lithe Batik
had come to such determination, lie hope.; they would
ICH ace their steps, and continue to Inc nish the public
with that convenience.
Mr. PEARCE, in explanation, said, the Bank had yet
come to no deter AUDI) on the subject; but this lie
could say, if one-pound notes were found necessary for
public convenience, the Batik would continue to foritish
11141 consenietice.
house then divided—For the moti an, 141—For the
amendment, 2i—Jlajoiity iii favour of the bill, 114.
The house then went into the committee.
Atter some further conversation between Mr. W. Pole,
Mr. Baring, and the Chancellor ut the Excheipier, the bill
went through, and the report was ordered to tie receive('
to-morrow.
The other orders were disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at belt past twelve.
TUESDA Y, APRIL 10.
The ballot for a committee to decide on the merits of the
Callington borough election petition tans fixed for this day ;
but at four o'clock, there being only PO members present,
the Speaker adjourced the house till 10-morrow.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11.
The gallery was not opened at the usual hoer, owing to the
ballot tor a committer to try the merits of the Callington election
committee. It was not opened till hate past four o'clock.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH moved, first for leave to br,ng in a
bill to mitigate die punishment of forgery; sacond to amend the
law regartlingthe stealing on navigeble !Wets; and thirdly, to
alter the law touching privately stealing. Leave given.
Tile CATHOLICS.-Mt. S. RICE, in presenting a petition.
explained what he had said on a tinnier occasion, iegartling the
Catholics having been entitled to seats in parliament down to the
Ankles of Limerick. By theni the Catholic Lords were entitled
to seats ; and there was no exclusion of the Catholic commoners
from the commons. This fact was established by Mr. Butler's
Book, a work of considerable authority. He had authority oft
what he had said—if it had gone a cong, he had etred with
respectable narnes.—( Hear, hear!)—The petition was from the
Catholic Bishop of Limerick, reprobating the provisions of
the Catholic B 11, but leaving the whole to the wisdom of
Parliament.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved that counwl might be heard against
the Turnpike Trusts Consolidation Bill.
Mr. D. GILBERT was sorry that this motion had been made;
lie li d hoped however it might be opposed, that the expense of
counsel would have been spared.
Sir J. GRAHAM vindicated the respectability of the petition -
ers ; they had not come forward without having some real interest
in the question at issue.
Mr. P. G RES FE LL remarked, that die bill had his entire
concurrence; tie was persuaded it weed(' be most useful, in
giving to the metropolis und neighbourhood much better roads
titan they possessed at present.
The petition was negatived after the gallery had been pardy
cleared for a division. the division not being pressed.
Dr. LUSIHNGTON present al a petition from Mr. Merry,
praying that means might be adopted to iestore to him his two
children, who had been torced from him at Lisbon, under pretext
eftslecating them in the Rumen Catholic faith ; as well as con-
siderable property, &c.
Mr. F. ROBINSON said, the government knew nothing of
the cast, but added that enquiries would be made.
Sir J. MACKINTOsH then brought in his three bills to
amend the criminal laws--they were severally read a first time,
and ordered to be read a second time Friday, Alay 4.
A message from the lords announced thin their lordships had
agreed to the beer duties, the Regent's canal, and the Irish
treasons bills, without amendments. Their loidships also desired
the clerk to attend with extracts from the indictments of Sir M.
M. Lopez, &&.; and that Mr. Ltochford, M. P. be allowed to
attend their lordship's committee of privileges, to be examined
on Mr. Iltime's claim to the Earldom of elerchmont.
Mr. DICKENSON said, that he should withdraw the
sewers' bill tor the present ; but he should hung it forward next
session.
After a few words from Mr. D. GILBERT, the order for the
second reading of the bill was read, and leave was afterwards
given to withdraw the bid.
Sir H. PARNELL presented the report of die liolyhead
road's bill.—Agreed to, and ordered to he read a third time on
Burrow MUSEL3I.—Mr. LEN NARD moved for returns of
the refusals or suspensions of applications to the reading moms
of the British Museum within the last five years. It the returns
could nut be made by the Wheels lie must appeal to the pantie
themselves. The discretion at present exercised was too
Mr. BANK ES said, that the motion could not be complied
with. lie should be against an indiwriminate admission. He
added that the postponement of an application was not to be
considered as unitaniount to a refusal. No proper person, he
believed, lad biro refused admission. lie hoped the motion
would lie withdrawn.
Mr. GURNEY observed on the increased facilities that were
afforded to the public libraties of England, as compared with
those of France; the tbmier bong opened during longer periods
in the year, and more hours in the day, than dime tit Paris.
Mr. LIiNNAILD said, lie would not trouble the house to
divided on the question. All persons could nut get the recom-
mendations of members of Parliamen., or persons of rank. He
then mentioned several cases oh intlie Weeds of undoubted re-
spectability, who had in vain applied tor admission tor three
months. The inutiun was then negatived.
RECEIVER Geeettee.—Mr. asked whether it was
intended to save the 5 or 4,0(101. expense of Receiver General of
Greenwich Hospital. now vacant.
The CHA NIELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he could
give no answer now. He willed to ask the non. member whether
tie would postpone his motion of to mut row respecting the dw•
franchising of certain ordnance offers of Quernburough till
another day, on account of the unavoidable absence of a noble
friend (Castlereagh.)
Mr. HUME.—When my question is answered, I shall be
reedy to answer this.-Itecers..)
ILCHKSTLa Jett —.Mr, Aldan= WOOD pm entcd a

petition from a prisoner named Hill, confined in Reheats-I.Jan,
a crown debtor, complaining of the hardship of his case, and
the severity of his confinement.—Head and ordered to be printed.
Mr. Ald. WOOL/ then rose pursuant to his notice, to bring
forward his motion for the appointment of a select committee to
enquire into the state of llcliesterjail.
After an extended conversation, die chief peculiarity of which
was, whether the proposed enquiry should be by a select
cominittee. or by a commission; it was determined to address
the crdwn to issue a commission, dirtxqng an enquiry into the
state of Li:hotter jail.
ARMY Has. I MATES.—The house having resolved itself into
a committee of supply.
Mr. HUNIE proceeded to contend that the charge for four
adjutants general was more than was necessary, and urged
reduction on this head.
Lori PALMERSTON contended, that the appointment of
the officers in question was a saving to the public, and that as
great a reduction as passible hal taken place in the office. In
In 1806 the expence of the office was 7,3901.—in the present
year it was only 2,4001.
Mn J. SMITH said, there was an item of 4681. charged for
superannuation roan hon. hart. as retired clerk in the war office.
He wished to know how a man could be superannuated, and be
at the same time in active service ?
Lord PALMERSTON said a few words in explanation.
After a few words from Mr. Tiemayne, the committee divided
on a motion of Mr. Hume s, to reduce the proposed grant of
6,0441. to 5.3241.—The numbers were—for the amendment 54
against it 83—majority in favour of the orignal motion 29.
On the item of 6,1621. for the quarter master general's office,
Mr. HU M E opposed this grant, as excessive. In 1803 there
was no such office, and in itifiti the expence was 9691. He would
now move to reduce the grant to 4,6921.
Lord PALMERSTON said, the lion. gentleman was here
caught in his own toils, for this office was preel,:hy What it was
in 1792. In 1803, when the hon. gentleman said there was no
such office, the expence was in fact upwards of 70001.
Mr. HOME contendtd, that on reference to the report of the
finance committee of 1813, his statement would be found to be
correct.
After seine observations from Sir H. Vivian, Col. Davis, Mr.
Fiume, Col. Johnson, Sir Lowrie Cole, Sir R. Ferguson, and
others, the committee divided :—For the amendment, Go—
Against it, 106—Majority for the original sum 44.
On the item for granting the sunk of 9201. fur the Quarter
Master General of Scotland,
Atter some conversation, the committee divided, for the
amendment, SG—Against it Lib--.—Majority Mr the original
motion, 42.
On the item for granting 51991. to the Judge Advocate
General,
Mr. CHETWYND proposed to reduce it to
On this motion a long conversation tbllowed, and the house
divided on several amendments, on each of which divsioua similar
majorities appeared fir the original motion.
The CHAIIINIAN then reported progress, and
Lord PALMERSTON intimated that the remainder of the
army estimates would be proceeded with on Friday. Adjourned.
THURSDAY, AIIRIL 12.
BOROUGH REPItEsENTATioN.—Mr. LAM RTON pre-
sented a petition from Lynte•ltrgis, praying fur the restora-
tion of their privileges. The petitioness siatcd that it was
a borough by prescriptime ; that from Edward I. to Geo. 1
the Freeho:ders within the borough had votes; that at such
period they lost such privilege-; and tient since about thirty
persons under the influence of el peer, returned the members.
He moved that it do lie on the table.
Mr ILOBLIOUSE lamented neat the hon. 'member bail
not mated to have it referred to a committee of privileges ;
the allegations Were of surto lams us acre violations of the
hew. Whatever darn nice there might be about reform,
here they ought to he but one opinion. here was a distinct
charge against some peer, and therefore lie humid most as
an amendment, that it be reftt red ton committee of pri-
vileges.
Sir J. felt A IIAM seed, the ;bop. r tone of complaint
would have been agaiust the return of the menthe's ; Ana
added, that many of the Lleefors were most respectable. As
to the charge, there were many Geutlemen opposite who
had been returned by Peels.
Mr. HURST observed, if the facts were believed, the
house were bound to refer it to a commit iee of privileges.
Lord LOW TH ER remarked, that the matter complained
of had already been tried by committees of the house; and
he should therm-tore uppu.se tha anteudincut.
Mr. LA MISMON, adverting to what head Nitro from Sir
J. Graham, said, the time was—aced not linig fillee—when a
member stating that other petsons had been returned by
peers, would have been called to order. Now, however,
times had cliungei it seemed that the fact was to be ad-
mitted at last even in that Meuse.
Mr. OUSE. ISSON observed, that the petition had been
very properly put into the hands of the lion. menden. (Mr.
lea aflame) ; but its hi complained of no specific case, be
should be against its being referred to a committee.
Mr. MON CK observed, that if this did not contain a
charge 11,;;:liala is peer, no petition had ever emitained Mich
charge: and if the lonise did not interfere here, whale. er
ininht be the sentiment amoligst thealfeiVell, he knew what
meet be the men(((((( sett the flatlet( out of demos.
Straugers were then ordered to withdraw, when a division
took place. The uumberr were—Ayes :f3,—Noes s 2—
Majority against the amend eat 49. The petition was then
ordered to lie on the table.
Sir B. al A ICI I N presented all necoant of pensions, super-
annuation', &c. presiuusly ordered,
Usti La Sergeant ONSLOW, pursuant to
notice, rose to wove for leatve to bring under the considera-
tion of the house the propriety of altering tier laws re,114,11•
lug the rate of iiiteiest. Sonic said there was ha u Caf hail
to repeal these laws because they were successfully evaded ;
but there was the disadvantage of cueh laws imposing use
society all cumulous ex pc nee, in raisin.; unreel all Waded
estates, &c. To the preepretors of such estates the repeal
of these laws a emld be a great tertian. Ile concluded with
noosing for leave to bring ere a bill to repeal acts regtaniing
the taking of nacres..
Mr. DAVENPORT hoped the learned sergeant would
withdraw his niutiun, tor lie was persuaded that the
experiment would be a most dangerous one.
hir U. HERON also said, that the Measure was of a
Most mischievous character • and if such a bill were
passed, he should movo to have it called, a bill for the
more Fpeeely raiding of the young nobility and gentry.
hat would be its operation.
Lord A I:11 said, 'line was tin ;pound for alarm ;
the expt 'Mena alight 111,W lit, very safely titled. He
could out account lot tie.. toisiviy Which sulky usialetid.
Ile Ilnit it was quite iil funneled.
Mr. ithilfir, Mr. J. P. kraut, Ali. Ricardo, and Mr.
Mouck, supported the Inutiun.
Me. Gordon and 31s. Caluraft strongly opposed the
motion.
awnedMotemm to; leave given to bring in the bill.
uitat.vv.—Mr. Seageaut ONSLOW moved leo leave.
tu be Rig to a Lill to auiend the law regulating the