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notice to .the commissary-general in the Crimea of but at the some time I will say that it you found that it :
the intention to send out cavalry, and of the a omit was dying that winch watt mischievous to the community,
it was determined to send. If that were not tdone, and that the religious scruples of the community would
these horses when sent out would find nothing ¶o eat: I not allow the continuance of this grant, or with reference I
(Hear, hear.) Notice should be given at once through i tit) civil and ecclesiastical reasons you found that those
the telegraph, electric
' otherwise the yowled their cavalryll you meant to be teachers of religion had become-the '
would he sent to a desert which produced nqthing.
could only depend on the suppliejsleaders and. conductors of rebellion, there is then ground
The
ouldcav Sufficient to refuse this. grant—then I say 'that there is
ships for their support, and this would no valid reason to restrain you—no reason why the house
cause
would
ealry sent
bythat
abserious demand for tonnage. We were c rying should not ba justified in declaring that no further
n o our operations by means of transports, and he rusted grant should be given." Leaders of rebellion ! Disturbers
that on every occasion, the instant any intention was of the public peace ! Let hon. gentlemen look to their
determined, notice of it .would be despatched to the elections, and say whether the noble lord's words did
commissary-general in the Crimea. net strictly apply to the Roman Catholic priests. On the
Lord PANMURE said that he had had a eommuni- authority therefore
.of Sir Robert Peel and the noble
tion that day from General Scarlett, and he ptit the , lord the member for the Cityof London, he stated that
number of cavalry soldiers at 1,300, and of herses at 450. a deep seated feeling on the part of the community at
Lord. VIVIAN did not press for the returns. ' large called for a repeal of that grant, and upen that
Motion withdrawn, ground he appealed to -the house to support the motion
The Earl of DERBY said that the noble merqtfts had for repeal. Hon. gentlemen would, in all probability,
on the previous evening stated that the noble earl the soon have to meet their constituents, and they might
Secretary of State fur Foreign Affairs would either mace depend upon it that the most important question which
a statement, or inform the house on what day he' would would be put to them would have reference to this ques-
do so, relative to the result of the negotiatiens atVienna, tion of Maynooth. (Hear, hear.) He had agreed a few
and to the present position of the Allied Powers towards years ago to inquiry, but he had never consented to
themselves and towards Russia. He (Lord Derby) hal inquiry by a commission, which was the course pur-
seen the noble earl the Foreign Secretary on two or three sued. The report of that commission, he would
occasions that evening flitting through the house—(a show, was a complete delusion and sham, . and the
laugh)—but he had been unable to find any occasion to most conclusive proof of that was that the report
put a question to him on this subject. He now asked was sent to Rome, while the Qheen and her subjects
the noble marquis, in the absence of the noble earl, it were kept waiting for it for weeks and months together.
he could state anything on the part of the noble earl ? More than that, in the appendix to the report there was
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had not stated that a return, in which Dr. Cullen and some other bishops
his noble friend (the Earl of Cl irendon) would make a received their full ecclesiastical titles, in defisnce of the
statement that day, but that he had no doult he would law ; and he had the authority of Lord Harrowby fur
make a statement very soon—so soon, indeed, as possi- stating that this was done without hi authority, and
ble. He had spoken to his noble friend a few moments that the titles were not in the return when it was pre-
before, and he had only just left the house. (A laugh.) seated to the commissioners. He thought it was for
The Earl of DERBY—I understood from the noble the Government to ascertain who had since tampered"
marquis yesterday that the noble earl would be here with the return. He stated further that the evidence of
to-day, and would inform the house when he would make several witnessea had been tampered with, modified, and
such a statement as I had referred to. partially suppressed, aft-r it had gone out of the short-
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—I did not use the hand-writers hands. He next referred to the class-
word "toelay." But I agree that it is of the greatest hooks used in the institution, quoting from them pro-
importance that a statement stout,' be made on the ear- positions on ethical
,subjects, which are condemned
Best possible day. (Hear.) I cannot undertake to say everywhere except in the books of the casuists.
where my noble friend is at this moment. laugh.) The honourable mend), r next turned to the sub-
Their lordships adjourned at, 20 minutes past six. ject of oaths and obligations, quoting Liguori and
• ether Ronuish divines, and pointing out the ob-
jectionable character of their doctrines ; and then pro-
ceeded to read evidence given before the Maynooth
commission respecting the hooks in use in the college.
dome books, he said, were excluded as ,favouring Galli-
cae doctrines, and others as enforcing doctrines respect-
ing marriage hostile to the view taken by the Roman
Catholic Church. With respect to the Index Expurga-
t 'taus, it appeared that the witnesses considered it as not
ending in Irelane, but that still the Iloinish clergy felt
very much influenced by it in the selection of their
hooks. Here, then (said the hon. member), were the
English Governthent and penplo eedowing a college, the
studies of which were reeulated by a; foreign potentate,
eel time students of which looked to :Rome, not to Erg
land, for the selection of those books. He called on
non, meinters to read the evidence fur themselves, and
thee to say whether they would continue to support
this vote. Let them consider that the priests were
, teaching the doctrines 'of Rome to the people, and
more especially, as regarded the rite of marriage, teach-
ing them among other things that no heretical
marriage carried the right of succession along with
it. He asked the house to give him leave to bring in a
bill whOch should withdraw the nether d support from
an institution which, in his opinion, taught doctrines so
objectionable. The bill would provide that the students
1;i the college at the time of its passing should receive
their present allowances to the end of their terms ; and
also that while teaching these remaining students, the
professors should retain their salaries. This might be
objected to on the high ground of principle, but previous
legislation had left him no alternative. With that ex
ception be would propose to withdraw all corporate
power, but that the present corporation should have
the power to deal with the property of the college as
trustees. Having cautioned the house against permit
tiog an institution to continue, the function of which
• was to destroy the Established Church, the hon. mem-
ber proceeded in an indistinct tone to address himself to
the Roman Catholic members present. He reminded
them of the promises made at the time of the Emancipa-
tion Bill, and expressed his conviction that no en-
lightened Roman Catholic believed the pernicious
doctrines taught et Maynooth. The truth was that they
believed that everything was properly managed by their
prelates, and gaits themselves nu trouble to inquire into
the doctrines taught in the books. He could, from his
own knowledge, say this much of the Roman Catholic
families of Warwickshire, amongst whine he lived, ant,
whom he knew to make some of the best magistrates are
landlords in the counts,. But such were nut the use;.
who had been sent by the Emancipation Bill to that
house; on the contrary, they 'were, as a body, the no-
minees of the priests, and hound to obey the behests of
the sacerdotal body in everything. --These were the men
who had frequently stated that they would never be con-
tent while the Established Church remained in Ireland.
(sear, hear.) He warned the house that if these tnee
were not restrained, they would persevere until tie
Protestant institutions of this country had been de-
Aroyed by their maehinations. He did not expscf
many more opportunities' of addressing that house on
this 'subject., His age rendered the disc!aimer of amb
lion unn,ces-ary ; his only motive was duty to Go .
oid his c..tuttry, aLd the respiiii,ibiiity which rested o.
all who. ills., him, ha l carefully studied this questiu,
ie looked upon this St-ete suppuit of Popery as a na
',nal sin, and he trembled on the brink of that precipic
t W which the conduct et their rulers was bringing to
',time He ha•l now done, he believed, his duty, an
it ,uld therefore net apologise for having detained tl,
seise, but he would thank the houne fir the attehti
vfth which it had listened to him, and at the same ti;;
pegged to repudiate the intention of wounding tte
dividual feslings of arty hoe. member. The honour Ili:.
'ember concluded by moving—" Tiest this house do
~sselse itself into a committee, for the purpose of con-
elsrleg the acts for the endowment of the College (.1
f Maynooth, with a view to the withdrawal of any in-
!ewinent out of the consolidated fund, due regard being
a I to vested aiehts or interests.",
Mr. DUNLOP seconded the motion. • He did so as
e Dissenter, believing that Maynooth College was,
in fact, a buttress of the Irish Established Church,
which could never be interfered with se Long as the
Maynooth college was upheld. He dwelt at great length
on the evidence given before the commission as to the
power exercised by the priests at parliamentary elections.
Mr. POLLARD-URQUHA RT deprecated the agita
tion of the question at this critical period, when the
Ministers and the nation must feel seriously uneasy at
the state of our army abroad. He accounted for and
excused the conduct of the Catholic peasant. in seeking
advice from the
.priest as to his political conduct, on th
ground that the priest was, in many cases, the only
sduchted person with whom the voter came in contact
Violent expressions_ were sorugtimes.charged against the.
Roman Catholic clergy ; but it was to be rememberee,
the exaggeratedhiatothersids o
f language weL a
was commontas a
toseatl.lepilratgiaesinositi
that, he reminded the house that to the Roman Catholic
clergy was to be attributed the complete and tote!
• failure of the insurreetioe in 1848. He was willing.
flowerer, to give up the grant to Maynooth on condi-
tion of Mr. Spooner agreeing to abolish the Irish Este
blishnient, Till the hon. member agreed to do that h-
would continue to vote fur the Maynooth grant.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD ro e to move the amendmen.
to Mr. Speonerhs motion of which he had given notice.
viz.—" To leave out all the words after the Word 'con-
sidering,' and to insert all grants and endowments foi
ecclesiastical purposes, whether charged on the Conso-
lidated Fund or annually voted by Parliament, with a
i:ew to their withdrawal, due regard being had to vested
rights and interests.' " He said that it might have been
thought, after the report of the commissioners appointed.
to inquire into the teaching of the eollege of sI synooth,
thi‘ey might have been spared any inure of these painful
discussions. But those who thought so had no notion
l*of that sleepless bigotry which was ever on the watch.
and of which his hon. friend, the member for North
Warwickshire was the ever ready and willing instru-
ment, and which he (Mr. Scholefield) believel could
never be satisfied till it had brought every faith within
the limits of its own wretched sectarianism. (Hear,
hear.) His honourable friend had made no re-
marks on 'else report of the. IklaYi)o.th commis:doners,
but had confined himself entirely to the evidence, whet
the Commission was appointed to inquire into char-4e -
against Maynooth, connected with its religious teaching,
which was said to inculcate disloyalty to the state, and
some of it to be grossly immoral: Into the religious
question, of course, the commissioners could not well go,
but they did report on the points relating to loyalty and
morality. He then read two extracts from that report.
He denied that there was any indication of civil aggres-
sion on the part of the. Church of Rome; if there was,
he would jAn with any one in the most stringent regu-
lations to put it dow.. But the danger lay in the other
direction, fer he believed there was a portion of the
Church of Eseland who were•bent on showing hostility,
Dissenters
ie::eßenilts) persecutingeuh rrosephs suchas
not to the Church of Rome only or dissent, but who were
n
ri.oieouesehaestitdoeteFihrieeinhte,iuDenei.isperistioefy,tl;telii,ii•
riot
0-txoforidr.i.l;intc.l
tEexettehris.
sfieteti
na r n
ee
fd
the
Church, who would he glad enough to' get their wsist-
ime_in.a Msyneoth, but who would' not jeit.
the Dissenters
k,erhispar,
t in return in removing other endowments.
he was . ready *to vote against all. endow-
ihm nv baust
an
.awmoeuhl dd noten t,atttheactk
all Maynooth
ecclesiastical l alone.
shou
111
rld. 14bleU il O abolished.o
cdau
utluhsrtegaencdcheat.lriogafet reporthrs ,0:3:T:d, of the grants-eoHm e-
Imngisstihoeneprescudliisaprrocvire
against the teachers of Maynooth—denied that, consider-
the priesthood was an unmixed ev, immoralityi
the
'—denounced the Es-
' tablishedChurch in Ireland as arA evil which, if the Irish
members had done their duty., would long ago have been
. carted away as so much -rubbish—vile concluded by
strongly urging that the reosition of affairs in this coun-
try, her alliance with tb see Roman Catholic Ntatee, and
the necessity for the essistatice. of the Irish people in
fightipg the battles of England would tend greatly to
the assertion of the rights of the Roman Catholics of that
country.
•
J.A.SMIT'd said Ire could not believe the Roman
Arai; moor as had been pleaded, since
it-
wasCathaobl Catholic Churcho eree
inereondon and elsewhere, such mag-
nificent edificere H.e contended that the act of 1845
had not answered is purpose as a measure of concilia-
tion ;. for the papP:i aggression had occurred tibiae then ;
.and the Roman
r.iatholic clergy of Ireland had not be-
come more mor'Aerate or more friendly to the constitu-
tion..
,- •
.te• attick
icitr iefil
He sup ,
portect'Mr. Spoonei'd motion.
My. BLA'',.
JD Would oppose-beth theTheeeesee and the
atetendetietti elitte.ere
'arattlie eitld level the first attack the. atrarnetits
Established
Church.
, He defended Maynooth from the charges
biougAt tegainstrhs twachilags impuguin - tae e star**

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
NS—YESTE RD AY
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
NEW MEMBER.

Mr. DEA.SEY was introduced, and took the (palls
and his seat tor the county of Cork.
Tne following bills wen., ordered to be considered :
Ashton-under-Lyne Gas and Water, and the Birinirgham
Gas.

On the motion for the second reading of the DuYin,
&e., Roads (No. 2) Bill, _ . _

Mr. COGAN moved an amendment that it be read a
second time that 41;y six months.

Mr. MACARTNEY seconded the amendment.

Mr. 'VANCE supported the bill. •
After a short discussion, in which Mr. Vincent Scully,
Lord NasA, Mr. Grogan, Mr. Isaac Butt, Cipt. Magan,
and Mr. Keogh took part,
The amendment was negatived without a division,
and the second re•ading w agreed to.
The New River and Trustees of the River Lea Bit
was then read a second time.

of some of the witnesses relied on by the other Bide, and '
c.en -hided by deprecating the ietralnetlie, of thie
tee topic at a time when we ',litre in a great war, and
engaged with Roman Catholic allies.
Mr. HORSFALL assured hon. members who took an'
opposite view to himself that it was not his desire, in
what he was about to say, to be at all offensive to them.
The question in his mind was not what evidence could
be adduced against Maynooth, but whether the teaching ,
of the Church of Rome was beneficial to the people of
Ireland. - -The hon. member for North Warwickshire
had stated that the evidence which hail been laid on the
table of the' house was a fraud. He ()Tr. Horsfali)
thought it was incumbent on her Mejesty's Gevernment
to have that charge either proved or dieproved. The
hon. member,f it Birmingham thought proper to aceu4e,
a cl rgytuan of the Unurch of England, Mr. Hobart
Seymour. of uncharitableness. He would have done
better if he had answered his arguments instead of play-
ing upon words. Mr. Seymour said the. Roman Catho-
lic clergy might be educated with the laity in Trinity
College, Dublin ; and he (Mr. Horsfali) had yet to learn
that any harm would have resulted from their associat-
ing with their Roman Catholic lay friends and their
Protestant lay friends who were receiving their edu-
cation at that institution). Mr. Seymour showed
that the whole requirements of Ireland were 2 260
priests, that there were 420 generally being educated
at Maynooth. It was established that 56 deaths
took place annually, and, as it required four years
tor the education of a priest, anil as four times
56 male 224. that left 196 more than the requirements
of Ireand. His main argument, however, was that the
teaching of tie Ritinan Catholic religion was not bene-
ficial to Ireland. Tire hon. gentleman then proc',eded to
quote the well known passage in Mr. Macaulay's "His-
tory of England," sleJwing that in Switzerland, in Ger-
many, and in Ireland the traveller could ses at once when
he paused from a Roman Catholic into a Protestant dis-
trict from the superior culture and civilisation observa-
ble in the latter ; that the same rule applies in America ;
and that during thelaet three centuries the policy of the
Church of Rome has been to depress the intellect, the
consequence of which has been a general decadence of the
prosperity of Raman Catholic countries; while Protestant
countries have risen in the same ratio. The hon, member
proceeded to say that there .was another test which he
would apply as to the teaching of the Church of Reline.
Look at the state of crime in foreign countries. There
were official documents which ga.v, the following returns
the crime of murder. Tine convictions for murder in Ro•
man Catholic Ireland were 19 to the million; in Roman
Catholic Belgium, 18 ; in Roman Catholic France, 31 ;
in Roman Catholic Austria, 36 ; in Roman Catholic Ba-
varia, 69 ; in Roman Catholic Sardinia, 20; in Roman Ca-
tholic Lombarly, 45; in &MIMI t ii.! iy. •56; in
the Papal states, 113 ;-itt R0q13,11 DO ; in
Roman Catholic. Neples, 174 ; Protee.aet En_, anti, 4.
(Hear.). These figures showed the different effect of
Protestant teaching from that of the Church of Rome.
It..was on that that he grounded his argument that they
were not justified in voting money for the teaching of a
religion which they, as Protestants, believed was not
beneficial to the people. His hon. friend the member
for North Warwickshire alluded to this as a quesAon of
'compact. He was quite aware tot at the nine of the
union there was a certain amount voted for Maynooth,
hut. he denied that there was any compact. He agreed
in the opinion of the right hen. ineminer for Oxford, in
that work of his, which i.tais published a few years ago,
in which lie said that the giant to Maynooth was vici-
ous in principle, and that it would be a thorn in tine
sides of the people of this country so long as it was suf-
fered to continue.

t!einan referred to several bulls issued at various :times,
pAticularly to that "in Ocena Doinin,i," from whic:,
argued the Pope's authority in opposition to the law.
It had been said that all these canons had been abro-
gated, but still he found them all reprinted in 1832.
By Making these grints they enabled the prie4s
in Ire! ,n.l to csrry out these canons, thus brining
them in`o c elision with the law, and renderizr, them
liable to punishment. It had been argued by the right
hon. gentleman, the Secretary for Ireland, that the
state di' not give Protestant money for the maintenance
of a Catholic institution, inasmuch as the money was
voted for a na,ional utject ; but that was clearly a
fallacy. The state policy was to get a domestic priest-
hood ; but the fact was, that the money granted had
been applied to the inculcation of .ultratnontane views.
cut the minds of the students. The grant of 30,0001.
a year was an insult to the Roman Catholic clergy of
Ireland, and was no Tub:; regarded by them as a mere
sop to keen them quiet.
On the motion of Mr. O'BRIEN the debate was then
adjoumned, and at the instance of Mr. SPOONER it was
adj turned to the 6th of Julie.

Mr. HORSMAN refused to follow most of the argu-
tnet.ts on the other side, hem...he he maintained
that this was not a religious, but a political ques-
tion. Ho maintained farther, that as a political
question it was one link in the
,chain of concilia-
tory measures which had been estaintshed of late
yesrs, and which was equally honourable to Eng-
land and beneficial to Ireland. He, entered at Borne
leneth into the history of the college and its sup-
port by all the, successive Administrations which had
existed from its first establishment, and from thence
made an appeal,ta the house not now to disturb it. The
hon. member fur Warwickshire formerly called for in•
quiry as a means of exposing the immoral teaching of
Maynooth. Inquiry had been granted, and he appealed
equally now to the Catholic whom he maligned and the
Protestant whom he alarmed whether the inquiry had
borne out his charge. He ridiculed Mr. Spooner's
charges respecting the condeo,ing of the evidence and
the assumption of ecclesiastical titles, and said that,
however horrible these things mi:4lit be in them::-elves,
they did not affect the teaching of Maynooth. The hon.
member for Greenock, who seconded the motion, im-
pugned every ground on which the hon. member for
Warwick,hire rested his case. (Hear, hear.) The
member for Warwickshire asked them to agree to his
motion, or the Church would be in danger ; the mem•
ber for Greenock supporte I it, because he wished to
overthrow the Established Cliutc4. (Hear, hear.)
The member for Warwickshire said, if the motion was
not agreed to, the Roman Catholics would gain the
ascendancy. The .member for Greenock thought the
leStruction of Maynooth would he the strongest blow
t the Established Church. (Hear, hear.) He appealed
to the Dit•center a to lend them ad.to de,troy Maynooth,
.tnd they would then have the support of the Roman
(litholies of Ireland in their atrack on the Established
Chard'. (Heart) The evidence of the witness quoted by
nut h,on: gentleman showed how unfounded were the
hArg'es merle ag;rinst the die..uni taught at Mayno,ltir in
~erei,c,3 to the temporal p ,wer of the Pope. The (x-
-tence of such was oistio,:tly derrierl. Tie tm. member
or Warwickshire had ealle:i for inquir,-, but now he was
,t disposed to abide by the result. Wh ,tever the hon.
•iotietnan had stated most strongly was proved to have
eeet -Wed most crrineou,ly. Tile charges made most
iirly w,-re found to he charged most unfairly ;he now
'lied his ground, arid asked them to omit, to a conclu-
oll from the evideuce direct'y the r,vir e of 1.1.:1;. the
.eiminissionern hal drawn. He put' the q in fi el,
et clear and simple grounds. He raid lotl care I ,io• for
kquiry or the report, but injected to the end ,iv tant
Popery, bec.,use it was the endowment ot error. It the
itter was placed in that point of view, the question st
,ce arose, were they prepared to rev-'..=e the policy pur-
-tiel for so many years back ? This wAi not a solitary in-

-Lowe cf payniWt to the Roman Catholic religion. They
!flute Parliamentary grants to many religions other than
the Established, to Di .senters, to Roman Oath.licg, and
even to some who did not come within the denomina-
tion of Christian. They supported Catholic schools and
paid Catholic chaplains in the army and in the navy,
For the prisons, and-fir the workhouses, The money paid
nut of the Co;isolidated Fund was not money taken friin
Protestants and given to Roman Catholics : it was money
contributed by all the sobjects of the realm, and devoted
to education, on the ground that the State was bound to
:five all children such a moral and religious education as
would best conduce to the welfare of the State. (Hear.)
rise hail. gentleman wished to be retrogressive in his
policy ; but since 1829 the whole p- hey of this country
.al been progressi%e. Meaoires io favour of Catholics

!lad been passed in 1831, '32, '36, '4O, and '45, when
tlaynooth was endowed by the bill of Sir, Robert, Peel.
Why had this been done ? Because the Catholics had ob-
tained their constitution-el rights by the voice of their fel-
;Ow subjeete, and had thus compelle I one conceseioaafter
another. Hence the principle was that the national re-
ligion' of Ireland had been recognised, and had been
'made the care of the State. The fact was that religion,
:lust be considered not as a sectarian, but as a cation d
affair. He objected to the term " toleration." In England
the majority were Protestants, in Ireland the majority
were Catholics. The niajeriry of the whole were Protest-
ints ; but teeing all Europe the malpity were Catholic,.
What was to he, done ? Were the two faiths to be placed
in constant hostility ? They had tried this up to 1829 ;
end since then the policy of c eicession hat been tried
with the utmost beneet at every step. (Hear.) The
people of Ireland were equal in numh, re to those of
teeny of the Catholic states of Europe ; and what people
?:al passed so nobly through suffering, and displayed tee
auch virtuous forbewarice. ([fear.) In everythi .g
that dignified huaete nature—in bravery, fortitude, and
endsrance—they were entitled to rank with ourselves.
kCheers.) How absurd then to talk of toleration with re-
ference to such a people. (Hear.) Allusion had bey n
made to 'the influence of the priests in Ireland ; but it
should be remembered t'uat they felt with the people avid
for the people. In no other country had the priests
been so much identified with the people They could
'lot say that the law or the government had been the
;rieiiis of the people ; for they had only known law or
soverament by their severity. But the priests had been
ttached to and identified with their flicks, aoil had
ilone their duty conscientiously. (Hear, hear.) While
adhering to and cherishing the faith in which lie iLiel
been brought up, he sympathised with every faith
mid every man who was 'the of jent of oppression.
(Cheers.) So far from apologising fir the course he
took, he thought it was the duty of Mr. Spooner
and his friends to apologise for the course they were
tatting ; they were using their faith a' a means of inflict-
ing injustice. (Hear.) While vindicating the right of
'me judgment, he conceded that right to all. He
opposed thiltnotiOnin tlfe interest of charity and good-
will ; and the more he venerated his own religion, and
ne 'shed it to he venerated by others, the more would lie
!:old it up as
the emblem of justice and peace to all.
(Cheers.) e agreed wi.h those who thought that ties
lie
motion was hroug'it forwarl at a rnost improper time. In
Treland all wa%p:rtee,tranquillity, and prosperity ; anti
it was most unfortunate that they should raise this causee
discord and animosity
at such a period'. Were the
motion carried, it would raise an issue' ileum important
than was anticipated in Mr. Spooner's speech, and
vould lead to dangers inure serious than be imagined.
He talked of danger to the country and the throne ; but
the opponents of the motion were prepared to take the
responsibility of these measures which had been pursued
of late.y( AN with regard to Ireland, and which had
tended inure than anything else to increase the loyalty
of the Irish people. By continuing to promote equal
!awe, they would have to say of the Qeeen, that her
glory in peace and her strength in • war was; that she
reigned in the hearts and sp pke with the voice of a well-
governed and united people. (Cheers.)
Mr. NAPIER wished to argue the question purely
•;13- a political question. He referred to the original
ofrnie7ver I be maintaine
esniel'shment of Mavneoth, and contended, on the autie,
i ftiltieenDdeudk
tehoatt ItVhaeltline,g4titem,teasnhdottlilt,h others, that it was
out of the public pur e. The motion was not intend.el
to •disturi, anything that was dune before the union ; it
went simply to rescind the endowment out of the con-
solidated fund. He denied that the Rorna•ii Catholic
priests had become that loyal arid well-educated body.
which was anticipated from the establishment of this
seminary. • In proof of thin, he referred to the Six-mile
bridge affair, and to the opinion then expressed by Lord
Palmerbton, that perhapS the priests who took part in
it were not worse than the generality of priests in Ire-
land. The question at issue be believed Was whether
this grant had any tendency to secure an intellectual
and pious priesthood. The evidence, be thought, was
very wintieleatoi7 act that point. TLt right hon. gen!