The Sun.
London, England, 1855-03-16 00:00:00

NEW MEMBER.

The Right Honourable W. KEOGH, the new Attorney.
General for Ireland, took the oaths and his seat, on his
re-election, for Athlone.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
—Cambridge University and Town Water, Over Dar-
Won Ga., Pudsey Gas, Taunton Gas, and Woolwich
Consumers' Protective Gas.

PETITIONS.
Mr. THORNELY presented a petition from Wolver-
hampton praying for the repeal of the newspaper stamp.
Sir J. WA.LNISLRY presented a similar petition.
Also a petition from the Leicester Gas Light and Coke
Company, against the Public Health Bill.
Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from a newspaper
proprietor in Birmingham, praying for the repeal of the
Newspaper Stamp.
Mr. MICHELL presented a petition from a place in
the West of England, against the sale of intoxicating
liquors on Sundays.
Mr. GOULBURN presented a petition from the
National School Society, against certain clauses in Lord
J. Russell's Education Bill.

Sir J. ANDERSON presented a petition from Glas-
gow praying for the repeal of the Newspaper Stimp.
Mr. SCOBELL presented a petition from the publi-
cans of Bath, praying for the repeal of the Beer Act ( f
last session.

Mr. HORSFALL presented a petition from Liver-
pool against the opening of the National Gallery and
British Museum en Sundays.
Lord R. GROSVENOR presented a petition agreed
to at a public meeting of the working classes of Westmin-
ster,'praying, tbatpublic houses should be closed during the
whole of Sunday. On the motion of the noble lord the
petition was read by the clerk at the table.
Mr. STAFFORD presented a petition from Nor-
thampton, praying that the entire system of promotion
in the army by purchase may be abolished.
Mr. A. PELLATT presented a petition from a tallow
boiler in Lambeth, now a prisoner in lioreemonger-lane
prison, stating that twelve months ago he was indicted
and convicted under the Nuisances Removal Act and
tined 1001., but being unable to pay the fine
he had been imprisoned ever since. The petitioner
Dr.aYed that the house take his case into consideration
a view to his liberation.
pu ROYAL COMMISSION.
LMAN, the Yeoman Usher of the Black
Rod, aPPeared at the t• table and summoned the house to
attend at the bar of thea
Peers to hear the Royal assent
given by commission to several acts, for which see Lords'
report.

UNF
Sir H. WILLOUGHI3YUNDED DEBT, gave notice that on the mo- _____....._.
tion for going into committee of The inquiry was resumed this morning at the usual
attention to the state of the unfusnudPettlYefethe should call
hour.
CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.
The first witness called was Mr. T. M. Mackay.
Mr. KENNEDY asked the secretary 0 f the t
whether in the present unsettled state ot the rce:sBtuerrY In reply to Mr. Layard, he stated that he was the re-
frontier of the Cape of Good Hope, it is the intention of presentative of Messrs. J. Baines and Co., shipowners,
the Government to establish more frequent conirnoui„. 1 Liverpool. Some of their vessels were tendered to the
tion with that colony, by contract with a steam packet ! Government as transports in March of last year, and
company or otherwise. were chartered for the conveyance of horses. Captain
Mr. WILSON said the subject had been under eon-
sideration for the last two months, but no arrangement
th": ,ne down on behalf of the Admiralty to inspect
had yet been come to. I ~ vessels, and to give directions as to the fitting of
the required purpose. He did not produce any
State
Atu'reirteunPrf:grulations as to the alterations he desired to be
METROPOLITAN GRAVE Y:ARDS.
Mr. B. BERKELEY asked the Secretary of
for the Home Departnient whether he is aware that at ! made. Amongst other changes lie insisted that a liDuse
many of theecemetei ies in the east of London, for instance : on the deck should he taken down, for which there
serveditCl`t t iaonaslwairce"rninar.°l7:l:aits-
Keldey's Ground, B-thual-green, Saint James the Les', ,
t7mnie:ressesivteyr,aalsiiiotr,we•o,.:l4lll7:ifii:
Bethnal-green, :pal the Victur:a-park Cemetery, they : f
the expense of several
vesselshuiidid pounds, which fell upon
were in the daily practice of I,tny,ng, many bodies in one I
grave, and do not c nupl) with the conditions on a Licit i
the Gov't rninen Iwere %fter‘,varred:africitticetsist,i)pf
they have been allowed to continue open, and that '
nearly all the cetneterie., in Vit.:neighbourhood of London according to emit tie Boyce's directions
still adept the
er h systeme of pit Lin. a ; arid, if he %Nal aware expense; but in so improper a manner in his (witriess'i.)
othis, whethe ni: nt t . prevent it ? opinion that he should nut have been surprised if a con-
Sir G. GREY said the Victoria-park Cemetery was'
not within the jurisdiction of the Secretary of State, but .
siderablo number of horses were lost. They were only
a
a statement havieg been sent into the Elomc-office, corn- separated by a hat
• • • nd when the vessel rolled in a
plaining of their state, an inspector had been directed to storm if the horses slipped they must fall under the feet
report on the condition of the other graveyards. The lof the others and be crushed. The animals could not lie
St. James the Less ground had been violating the Order down.
in Council, and a. communication had been made to the
managers on the subject.
SOLDIERS' WIVES, ;!of Mr. Layard—Are you acquainted with the Hull mode
Mr. fitting up ships for the conveyance of horses !
liINNAIRD asked the Under Secretary for '' Mr. Mackay replied that he was not personally—but

MITTEE-- (THIS DAY.)

ha had ben Wormed it was an usallsat plan, and sae
of great safety.
Mr. Layard—Did you make any proposal to the Go-
vernment to feed the troops in the Crimea!

Mr. Mackay—We did. Our tender was to provision

the troops at 3s. 6d. per day per man ; giving each man
per diem a pound of bread, a pound of beef or pork
cooked, a quarter of a pound of preserved potatoes, which
would be equal to a pound of raw. They would also
have given a weekly supply of 3oz. of tea, 3oz. of coffee,
11b. of sugar, 11b. of cheese, 4 gill of pickles, 2oz. of salt,
!,,oz. of mustard, besides 4 pint of ale a day, and k gill of
spirits. They would have done all this, and reaped a
reasonable profit, A they had been in the habit of
victualling emigrant ships. They would have been able
to accomplish this with four -vessels of 1,200 tons burden
continually employed.
The Chairman—You would not have kept your
transports in the harbour for six weeks ? (Laughter.)
Mr. Mackay—Oh, no ! They would go backwards and
forwards as quickly as possible.

Cross examination continued—He undertook to

deliver them at the camp. He hnd an objection
to say publicly what means be should have adopted
to cook the p)tat,tes and other things. He
found that preserved meats and vegetables kept un-
commonly well, especially the latter ; and by his
Wan they could feed men in the Crimea at almost as
cheap a rate as they could live at home. He should
have accomplished this by means of a continual line of

ships running to and fro. He tendered two va-
sels to the Transport•board, for the conveyance of
horses ; but, on arriving at Cheapside, he was told
he was too late. He was, however, told to put his
tender into a box, and after running down stairs and
into the clerk's office to find where his tender had got
to, he at last met with it and placed it in the box, which
was then taken by the messenger into the boardroom.
But although he was only two minutes behind the spe-
cified time for sending in his tender, he was informed
that he was too late, and that there was no help ler it.
Mr. Layard—Did you recommend the adoption o
hospital ships to the Government ?
Mr. Mackay—They did ; but none were to his know-
ledge fitted out.

In reply to Lord Seymour, Mr. Mackay stated that

they made the tender to supply provisions when the bad
weather had set in, and when so much had been heard

about the bad state of the road from Balaklava. They
had well considered where they could obtain their sup-
plies. If there bad been no means of landing stores at
Balaklava he should have gone to Kantiesh Bay.
Mr. Green (of the firm of Messrs. Green, shipowners,
Blackwall) stated that three of their vessels were char-
tered by the Government, their names being the
Northumberland, the Resolute, and the Walraer Castle.
The first and last of these were chartered at 30s. per ton,
and the other at 255. They were all employed as trans-
ports for horses, and were fitted up on the Admiralty
plan. If he had been fitting out the vessels on their
own account he should have adopted that plan—and
not the Hull mode for a short voyage, and he considered
the voyage to the Crimea was a very short one. He
thought a single bar separating the animals was a suffi-
cient protection.

The Chairman—Why do you prefer that plan to the
Hull system ?

Mr. Green—Because it accommodates more horses.
Hai no difficulty with the Admiralty as to the contract
or filling of the vessels. They were chartered by their
register. The Resolute was detained five weeks at
Balaklava.

Mr. Layard—l believe the Resolute was lost in the
storm ?

Mr. Green—She was.
Mr. Layard—Did you effect your own insurances on
those vessels ?

Mr. Green—l did.
Mr. Layard—Have you applied to the Government
for compensation for the loss of the Resolute

Mr. Green—l have, but only recently, on the ground
that she was sacrificed ; the captain not being allowcd
to take care of her.

Examination continued by Lord 'Seymour—He be-

lieved all the horses were conveyed without casualty.
The Reso!nte took 50, and the Northumberland 48.
They had nothing to do with the provisioning of the
horses. That was undertaken by the Admiralty. It
was only two days ago that he had applied to the Go-
vernment for the loss of insurance on the Resolute.
Mr. Macdonald, of the Times, was then recalled, and
was examined by the chairman.
He stated that he was sent out to administer the
charitable fund raised by the Times by an appeal t,) the
sympathy and liberality of the British public. That
fund was placed in his hands for distribution, and for the

relief of the wants which it had been front time to time
repot ted existed amongst oursick and wounded at Scutari.
When he got out there, though these wants presented a
sonievvhat milder aspect than had been stated, they still
exited. The Government had a better opportunity of
administering to these wants, as they had ambassalors
and agents in the East, and could have commanded the

markets ; whereas he had to discover everything, and,
in fitct, to worm out, in the first instance, what were
the real necessities most required. He had letters of
recommendation] to !various authorities, amongst them
to Dr. Menzies.

Chairman—Did he afford you any facilities fur ad-
ministering your fund
Mr. Macdonald—No, he did not.
Chairman—Al he obstruct you ?
Mr. Macdonald—ln fact not. But I was met with
obstacles placed indirectly every way. I was informed
by Dr. Menzies that there were no wants.
Examination resumed—He found, however, that
there were wants existing. A few articles were pur-
cliased in England before he went out, but others from
Constantinople. That town contains about one million
of inhabitants, and there were markets, so that the hos-
pitals might have been supplied on the spot. He wished
the committee to know that the French provided stocks
of different articles, so that when one was out they could
fall back upon another ; but we had no system of that
kind. At the same time, most, if not all, that was re-
quired might have been derived from the locality. Miss
Nightingale and her staff of ladies had arrived two days
before he did, and he should say she was obstructed in
her benevolent object. The medical officer, he knew,
having authority, refused.to accept his supplies, although
these supplies, which were much required, were not ob-
tained elsewhere. The nurses, too, whom Miss Nightin-
gale offered were not accepted to the extent they might
have been. He had tasted ithe port wine sent out by
the Government, and certainly it was not genuine—in
fact it was not port wine at all.
By Mr. Layard—He bad visited the bazaars in Con-
stantinople, and cuuld say that everything which was
required might have been procured in them. The houses
in Constantinople were constructed of wood, but that
article there he believed was not very plentiful. He
did not know whether sufficient planking might have
been obtained to have erected large huts for the recep-
tion of the sick and wounded. There was plenty of
room around the hospital in which such huts might have
been erected.
Mr. Layard—Where were the French stores kept ?
Mr. Macdonald—They had an hospital ship, on board
which all parcels directed to Constantinople were sent.
They also had an hospital on the hill, to which their stores
were carried. All stores addressed to us passed through
the custom-house at Scutari ; but they were discharged
there without being apparently consigned to the care of
anybody, and the packages frequently, therefore, be-
came broken open an lost. He had seen parcels of
preserved meats and other good things, addressed to
officers broken, and their contents lying scattered about
in all directions. The French hospital was much more
strictly looked after than ours, and an order had to be
applied for before it could be entered by a stranger.
Mr. Layard Were there any soldiers' wives at
Scutari ?

Mr. Macdonald—Nothing can convey to the com-
mittee the state in which the soldiers' wives lived at
Scutari. In one small room he saw at one time as many
as 45 of them, some with children, all huddled together
in a small, dark, dirty room, which could not be com-
pared to a room in one of the very worst lodging houses
in the metropolis before the Lodging-House Act came
into operation. Some improvement had been made iu
their condition, however, before he left by the exertions
of Lady Olivia Blackwood, who took much interest in
them.

Mr. Layard—Was any attempt made to organise
them as nurses, or to turn their labour to some useful
account ?

Mr. Macdonald—Any attempt to hare done so would
have been futile, as the effect the war had had upon
their minds, combined with other circumstances, ren-
dered them totally unfit for any beneficial empleyment.
Examination continued by Mr. Layard—During the
Taco of four months the hospital had six changes ;
first, there was Dr. Menzies ; then a period during which
Dr. Cumming acted under orders from Lord Raglan ;
then Dr. Forrest came down from the Crimea ; then Dr.
Forrest fell ill, and Dr. Pennell took his place ; then
Dr. erailtshank ; afterwards Dr. Lawson ; and, finally,
Dr. Ctiintnin,g

Macdonald, in continuation, said—Supposing he
had e.thsider-d it his duty to make any repre,en.tiou
a 4 to the st:e of the hospital, he ghoul I have go❑e to
the Ambassador, and not to the medic3l head. The two
ho3pital hulks had a medical staff of their own, but werc
slit I under the a ithoi ity of the hospitals on snore. The
trail port s: stem fur the sick was not a special of e.
Thu operation of landi❑g was under the disposal of Ad
miral Boxer ; but during the passage, and previous t•i
landing, the were under the direction of the medical
officer t f the vessel.

Mr. 14.;ilicc—Who;c duty •ae it to supply food Sail
comforts t 9 the sick and woun led on board the trari-
sport,, after their a►rival in the Bo iphorus, and before
they were landed ?
Mr. Alacdonald—Food was supplied by the captain of
the vessel under the authority of the Admiralty ; and
mJdical comforts and medicines were distributed by the
medical department ; so that, in fact, it was necessary
that the authorities of two departments should interfere
in the matter.
Mr. Layard—When the sick were placed in the hos •

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pithlo, to *hem applivitionto be mikie far bedding
and other neoemepriest.

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Mr. Macdonald—The purveyor was the person.
Mr. Layard—Will you be kind enough to explain to
the committee your own mode of proceeding whilst you
were at Scutari!
Mr. Macdonald then entered into a detailed statement
of the course he pursued with regard to the purchase and
administration of necessaries and comforts to the sick
and wounded, stating that in his exertions be was ma-
terially assisted by the co-operation and kind offices of
Miss Nightingale. He added that he supplied one regi-
ment (the 39th) with warm clothing on the application
of the surgeon of that regiment. He obtained that
clothing at Constantinople. The surgeon stated that it
would be a charity to the men it the clothing were given
to them, as they had come from a warm climate without
any provision in the way of clothing for a colder tem-
perature. He (Mr. Macdonald) obtained the supply at
Constantinople, and got it on board the next day. He
never supplied any other regiment or persons going to
the Crimea. He did, however, contribute medical com-
forts, bedding, Turkish quilts, and other articles, to the
convalescents proceeding borne in Government trans-
ports, on the application of the Rev. Mr. Sabine.
By Mr. Lays rd—Can you state what was the style of
cooking in the hospitals ?
Mr. Macdonald—The provision fur this was of the
modest pissible kind, and there was a great deal of
delay and irregularity in getting meals prepared and
served up. For instance, it a mutton chop were ordered
fur a patient at one o'clock, it would uot, perhaps, be
ready before eight o'clock at night.
By Colonel Lindsay—He knew of several persons
having been asked by the sentries what there business
was at the hospitals. But he had never been interfered
with in that manner ; yet he could not say why. He
believed that iv some hospitals it was net the custom to
admit strangers.

By Lord- Seymour—He thought it advisable that
strangers should have had admission at any time with-
out auy formalities. Before he went out he had an inter-
view with the Duke of Newcastle and Dr. Andrew
Smith ; from the latter of whom he got a letter of intro-
duction to Dr. Cumming, and was also informed that
no strangers were admitted to the hospitals except at
certain times to see a patient, or to inspect it ; but, in
either case, they must be accompanied by some official
of the establishment. He was further told the same
facility, compatible with these regulations, would be
extended to him as a matter of course. On his arrival
he called upon Dr. Menzies, and informed him that he
had come out with money for the relief of the sick and
wounded ; at the same time requesting facilities for the
fulfilment of that object. Dr. Menzies was ♦ery polite,
but said that nothing was wanted. (A laugh.)
Lord Seymour—Where did you obtain the port wine
you supplied to the patients in the hospitals ?
Mr. Macdonald—ln Constantinople.
Lord Seymour—Theo there was good wine to be ob-
tained there ?

Mr. Macdonald--Certainly.
Mr. Ball—When you saw the Duke of Newcastle did
ho attempt to dissuade you from going in any way ?
Mr. Macdonald—He said it would be useless; at
least that if anything was wanted in the hospital the
ambassador would supp'.y it.
Mr. Drummond—Can you give the committee any
idea of what has become, in your opinion, of the vast
quantities of stores which have been sent from this
country to the East ?
Mr. Macdonald —ls it quite certain that they have all
left this country ? (Laughter.) If the committee asks
me nay own explanation of the confusion in the trans-
port service I can answer them. In Turkey there is a
want of three great requisites, wharves, warehouses, and
roads. The Government being unacquainted with the
absence of these great facilities send out giant steamers
across the ocean to Constantinople and Balaklava ; and
the consequence is when they arrive they are converted
into store-houses. What is absolutely required is taken
out of them and the rest is left behind in them and for-
gotten. It is just as though one end of London bridge
bad given way and the traffic was allowed to pass over
it all the same—there was a smash at the other end.

Je veu4 pas steno d'eeer6r I'esti:44l64u doe sentiment'
sinceras do notro recounat4sance eteruelle.
l'intention do m'aoquitter verWement d'un de-
voir si agreable : jo ne le fais neanmoios quo par eerie a
present, esperant de pouvoir le faire plus tard en personne.
Veuillez agreer, Monsieur l'Anairal, l'assurance des sea-
timonts de ma haute consideration.
Le Commandant-en-Chef de l'Escadre
(Moreau°,
(Signe)

AIThIED.

THE LONDON GAZETTE.

(THIS EVENING.)

DOWNING-STREET, 31.1.uc1l 14.

1r The Queen has been pleased to appoint J. Warrington
Rogers, Esq., to be Solicitor-General for the colony of Van
Diemen's Land, and William Dallas Bernard, Esq., to be
Deputy Commissary-General for the island of Ceylon.
Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint Charles
Fisher, James Brown, William Johnston Ritchie, Samuel
Leonard Tilley, William Henry Steves, John Mercer
Johnson, junr., and Albert James Smith, Esqrs., to be
Members of the Executive Council of the Province of New
Brunswick.

Mr. Drummond—What do you think then became of
such stores as were sent out l_ _

Afr. Macdonald—A greatdeal of them was wasted, a
little was stolen, aad a quantity was misplaced and
lost sight of.
After replying to a few further questions Mr. Mac-
donald retired with the thanks of the committee.
Deputy Commissary General Stickney was then called,
but only answered a few inquiries when it was announced
that the Speaker was at prayers, and
The Committee thereupon adjourned until 12 o'clock
on Monday.

OFFICIAL DESPATCHES

FROM

Her Majesty his further been pleased to appoint Charles
Fisher, Esq., to be Attorney-General ; James Brown,
Esq., to be Surveyor-General ; Samuel Leonard Tilley,
Esq., to be Provincial S.cretary ; an I John Mercer John-
son, junr., Esq., to be Sulicitor•General, for the said Pro-
vince of New 13runswic1-.

FIELD-MARSHAL
LORD RAGLAN.

THE LIST OF KILLED
AND WOUNDED.