The Sun.
London, England, 1855-02-20 00:00:00

LLOYD'S SHIPPING-(THIS DIY.)

LONDON, Feb. 20.—Wind and weather this day at
noon, moderate breeze from N.E., and fine, clear, frosty
weather. The frost has not been so intense since yesterday
afternoon as for days past, and the Thermometer registers
only 13 degs. of frost during the night.
PORTSMOUTH, Fob. 19.—Wind, E. Arrived—Constitu•
tion, from Rio Janeiro, for Bremen.
SOUTHAMPTON, Feb. 19.—Wind, E. Sailed—Harvest
Home, for Sydney, N.S.W.
COWES. Feb. 19.—Wind,"E.S.E. Sailed—Augusta, for
Hobart Town.
HARWICH, Feb. 19.—The Jas. Duff (schooner), of Mac-
duff, on shore on the Pye Sand, was assisted off with 7
feet of water in her hold, and was run on the mud ; cargo
discharging.
WELLS, Feb. 19.--The Sunbeam (brig), from Newcastle
to Carthagena, is on shore off Blakeney. The Diana, of
Dordt, is on shore at Burnham, and will become a wreck.
BLYTH, Feb. 18.—The Bedside, from Calais, got on
Blyth Sands, 25th ult., has been got off leaky, and much
damaged.
SHIELDS, Feb. 19.—A wreck, supposed to be laden with
deals, waterlogged, dismasted, and abandoned, with "Janet
and Mary, of Leith," apparently on her stern, was passed
on the 15th inst.
SUNDERLAND, Feb. 19.—The Ann and Isabella, of
Dundee, has put back considerably damaged, having been
aground.
PENZANCE, Feb. 17.—The Jonge Duryf, from Trieste to
Rotterdam, arrived hors, reports having spoken, Fab. 6,
off Scilly, with the Revenue, from Liverpool to New Or-
leans, which reported that the ship was leaky, and that the
master and mate were deranged ; she offered them assist-
ance, which was declined, as they were making for Scilly,
distant a few miles, and only required to know the lati-
tude and longitude.
YOUGHAL, Feb. 19.—the Irene, of Belfast, is stranded
in the bay.
QUEENSTOWN, Feb. 19.—The Choice (barque), from
Alexandria, has been driven on shore at Ballycotton; the
east gale has moderated, and hopes are entertained of her
being got off,

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ME. ROE.

-MITTEN.

We understand that yesterday and Sunday'
col'"
members of the Government had interviews ad,
spondeace with Mr. Roebuck, with the view of inu.,°
the hon. gentleman to aban his urpose of prn
the committee of inquiry intodon p
the affairs of tree
to
of which he had given notice for Thursday. rp
we hear, is a compromise between the Ministry tiol
member for Sheffield ; and, if we are COrrec ttly
.r. 05
the nature of that compromise is this,—that he Xi'
will not oppose the appointment of namenitaitO
vided Mr. Roebuck allows them to seveutt,
his eight members. The member for Sheffield
kt
are told, assented to the proposal. All,
depend on the composition of the committee;
must confess that we de not expect a full, feta
searching inquiry from any committee which l
nominated by Ministers.—lifornimg Advertiser.
tbere

THE MARQUIS OF OLANBICIRD,
MRS. HANDCOCK•

o f tThehe • re
vfoalliolywilvngetvlset:t_er has been addressed to tie
Sir,—l have seen the article in your •
loPtof
Tuesday last upon a late trial in the Irish Coeuirtool
eery, professing to give " a plain uuvarnisbo ta.i. oil
Handcock family." The substance of it, 6 ben fug
corns me, is almost entirely untrue ; and w Oa
the statement you give has not been contain
°A
t or
ought to know and to add that as I ,w,11,0
party in the cause, I could not, even " ;gab!
'
anticipated such calumnies, or have LlPPea4e, al
to refute them. Neither was I, nor could A
to the compromise by which the suit is endriey'ro
The main allegation, upon which the Spersis
upon the authority of the Irish AttornoY" sequesrle;
to rest is, that in the year 1841, i° c°P Dora -I
suspicion of too great intimacy betwee° Dora
cards and Mrs. Handcock, a sePaili°lllbis 15 L f
and Mr. Handcock went to Fratinei.„D tbit;
and notoriously false, and I cannot 17e0sotno
tempt was made to sustain such 61__ilitilf,
_ol,:n of
tick of evidence. In fact, it is Pe ',,,s- sseu"-h
that Mrs. Handcock left her husbaslo ibsoee; 4
conduct with her French ma.4l4_,lrti. tbiffss 11
di
lived openly with him until hist o°,'dlift,.-03:0b.4.
pily concealed from the daughters, :7,, to ":" aff :-
hi her diary attributes the separat"i-osa"A iellurt
tiers of persons in her father's 1013.„„s'noinrisji td'
davit was not, as you say it was, iessrol . e0.,j..
this matter. It states that I saw 2,r,,,sisgitsso3;
cock in the autumn of 1840, and, " -,itsete'tlePit4
winter of 1840 m Russia," I dd not set; o,„a-bio,,,
until after their separation, which tor„brigitl t, PA(4
of 1841, while I was still abroad. ii-"Alyi sfe„,"-;10
i
out of the Irish Court of Chancery ,lAieoGf.7 'KJ
ever, was not made to explain or 1,0- , tovbeo:
in any respect, but it was made ;1.011! tir:l
tion of one of the litigants, that 'Jo '-e°P'i
mony to facts within my own knoolu-1;011.,1ep,4
statements sworn to by the oplansitfset 6°0°6,4
been "heard and believed." It no °Tdieioe)
isted to show that Mr. Handcock eneelorilv I
suspicion as is attributed to him, We:11-00r ~, ‘‘
I met him in Paris and in his last ' .tsvfilfl
proof of it. id 041°93 b4l
That a man, when told that an 0•-.,,vd.,lit,il'i
whose hospitality he bad frequently r.„1111041rf,
whom be had enjoyed field sports, "„i" feisitm.l.
decent attention or companions,- sli°ll.lelep
and should advise him to remove to "" ts• hooe,
reach, to consult an eminent physiloooTor
clergyman of the parish, and to sse.,o .'
cl 6. 4‘ /j
man should do this without a base (I'. gii6,
the comprehension of the Irish A ifooff 3; for„.
not to have occurred to the writer'. t low,itii",
I, however, do not wonder that 01:0141941.,.
Mr. Handcock, hie daughters, who gnt5w.,,,.04;
their childhood, should recur to nie'lCcoll.,',
And whenever I was so called upO'Llolrtifr,,
was uniformly not in furtherance of, Om' 0,
,if
the views of Mrs. Handcock, `1:-Icltverfl
secure for herself, in any way she c': .110
each of her daughters after their de°":6101, ri
knew her well are aware that she *l3-1,40);.i.,
against me for aiding 'Miss lianricci,gcor,' r
whereby she left to her mother, in P;10-0014,
and her deceased sister's wishes. •'• 'O4
her entire property. When the youngeost°,oll',4
[unmated to me her intention to 0 f
to her mother, I prevented her front ef. 0 °AO,
to that effect which should not o°,.°,7;lisir,,
revocation thereupon inserted, and J. ,;Hire
ite,
tion of any such deed for some inoe 044.,..
ney, Mrs. Handcock's late solicitors the
iv,*
aware of this. These seem to be ce- snit
upon which I have been falsely e,sit°ol'
Pied. There are other minor points, :of,/
which you relate upon the autborftJb,olst4
ney-General ; yet no man ought tc:seserY:
than ought to be the Irish Attorner-ni5.40:41
I
and circulating scandals and calute-or
believed," or founded upon inferesose rot,
from testamentary disposition of proftwo I
I have to request you to give tlss ri;18, i
this letter which you gave to your i`r 4 /
honour to be, sir, your obedient serener

Lou,ghrea, Fe 1215,2
,
CouRT O'— r
The Queen and P------4fr------rinee
Alice, drove out in a sledge Yeste;‘e iitite
Hon. Mary Seymour, the k1on• :Pe'
Lord Alfred Paget followed in a see veit.o,lo •
the Hon. D. deleos attended on liot:;0003,
Prince Albert visited the Wellititophe et bis
day for the purpose of seeing sonie revel::
.11bert, with'
of the Grenadier Guards, of whic°,,ifoe.seit?
Hiehness is colonel, lately return'"'t b '.; tiel",,
The Prince afterwards presided Ilyilev'eos'.,
Royal Commission of the Patriotic oigh°o4',
Palace at Westminster. His l'lleoiliree,rdp.;
by the Equerry in Waiting, arrive' I ''''
of litr • • Earl PI 04
commissioners present were fior- ,de
of Derby, the Earl of liardwicke, Lora ,de ~
Colchester, Lord Seaton, Lord S..2G',oret 9° Op
Hon. H. Lowry Corry, the x",,eate°' i,
Smith, the Right Hon. Sir J. re-roril3/1/ I
Rees, Mr. J. Ball, M.P Mr. je f
Hubbard, and Mr. Boyle itoche•ij. soa
,i,
at
Captain E. G. Fishbourne, 11-',4
bffil;
Letroy, R.A., secretaries, attendee' beihr
tee
The meeting broke up at 20 ininl rpo It
A report will be shortly prepared I° teso '
The Queen had a dinner peel in of/ Ilpil ,
company included Prince Nicholeifi 0) /
tuguese Minister (Count de Laerirtrli!celo
Caroline Barrington, Viscount aoa ' Deor
a
Lord and Lady Wodehouse, I.l'r P
1'
George Lennox. fd
The band of the Coldstream Gila' '' )
in the Palace during dinner.
P f,/j
The Marquis and Marchionese °jo • r
/
expected to arrive at their residence, ,-• et
f'';l
to-day, from Ireland. toil °"
Viscount and Viscountess COI- ,09 '.OO ~o
to Combermere Abbey until after 6/O.IOFOr
THE TRANSPORT BOARD.--Tbe_lV,"
will be composed of a naval of%?-yr lotpi
merchant captain and an arnif °,whoeF A
civSilirhJosephrtay
at
trbsems
shar.snar.esigued ;goy 'ill,
The Government notice bee, tek.est• l'oeV
renewal of the Exchequer-bills Iste; IV'
are to lee sent in on or before 00,4 PIO Al,
The amount of specie brotig,`4olol
steamer yesterday is 125,000/., of r pi poi do '
and 51,0001. gold. ds' of
BARNSTAPLE ,r„‘ter, iii,, d'i
ELECTION.--."„V.,F41.,if4),
mittee of elections met at three ", &Oh Y,0,4
the following hon. members to !I.), Pe:doec'erirl,
tition against the late return I°l jr b/, v4,iL:;
M. Butt (chairman), Sir Jebil ,74/);pir'ciLol '
Blandlord, Lord Lovaine, arid:: ef' A,6-°/e: i'
MR. COPPOCK AND THE Vrtla/Pti4l'l,,f si
?I
visits to the Treasury have of lo• 4,40 goo,'
quent ; and his appearance the: 0,,, rot' 0 ‘''t
tien storms as the appearance ' "the el '',e,
physical storms. A dissolutioymio.ble 0',4
which has been so mismanag.,erie,'Gfelsoll.;(
strained to set the nation rigV el ~00I° e eelir',4
world, appears indeed sufficietobe'6oPitif
temper of the old Parham/10°' 01 ',dell' 1f..111
wayward that Lord Palmerete° 13ePooepeleoi0A;
try his chance with a new oce4.ool),te ogegieer
ston can scarcely be said to II°'; 013",..1'A-cie it
the existing House of Coullea°tly /lord ot„ i'',
whilst he is Premier will be Pri",itioeLociPe i,:i.
The likelihood of an early die
the ionertipe r/
to make it incumbent 00„t-00 tbe tll,pille; '
throughout the country to ",- eye* „lite" o,i
to incur a little extra troublebe COP 9,-1
being thrown away than to - 10 el,
News. , iolktb, It jo 0 itf
Tits MEDIC,AL COIIIIIOOa Willratrepeo
Sutherland (not Dr. Southei°°A 00 ;001 It,'
day), and Dr. Gavin proce9; Os t„00,,-eti''' i
Marseilles, to the East, beinbt. to eh"; der,/,'
sioners appointed—the forTeloa, %I:10411044
tart' arrangements at Be I°Z., the -eeri ' rielk
They will be accompanied '''.l ogic woe codei
Mr. Robert Rawlinson, cl/4 aod ,iatil if/o'l
with the late Board of ilee'tbe h1:100‘40t176,0A
by his elaborate reports ens iri .3;i11°,10"), t./4
many of the principal tow°. dotiesoor ' oei 1,
the north. The sphere of ,b,l,9otend , ite,elcv
to any one locality, but wilt see be rob° iVi,
of our operations, inelu'lin • sour tlie it‘o 1
stantineple and the Oriole:I:0:600 ,ofeho ei
vote himself to the orgeni will re'las 41 /
hpiitsaisbraonthdereisceowrnbruerises,ionarweeetleld elyi.°•iet,llo,,f4iPtri"et,
vision of everything c°,11.°4 selli_S 411 r tout'6 7,
called the lay or willnon-inea° take
Other e 1,,, f(
sioners. Mr. Rawlinsou or eroti,'ool,oeo,,d'
rotary Mr. Taylor, A Lounge, 311.' to t'healeld
of the present Board of nee ceede 000 0i ir
Kt
Pru olOe hi° (I to
officer of that departmen , gt, c re 0
~,„ lea . ios, feo JP
has any member of it te oeio •ei i r
„he coin aO., ei ,4t
less any control over, . av .14 di. F
teed against all interfeew,bsttevelt 10 00
beit
fullest powers to carry anti
tere't4' 001, ° d4ii
conducive to the public lllo‘.l.oerP t tio.od„e
tt corporateoh,elave readi i
yauctohnosrointitee.sd
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ori 1 atcbee;elopeoci::,,,, i
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commission a large
eluding the officer charge wade of elt.,,trcet.l!l,,
in that town, so that a brilgu,o. eisecTad, i',:oole
the necessary apparatus -1. :over ti 706 P
expected to be at work ylicipiegou'
camp, the harbour, or the
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07,
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f the
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Advertiser.

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lIIPERIAL PA lILIAINIE N'l .

*oz.
4°USt OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
Iv Tr:lE WOUNDED IN THE CRIMEA.
orthre tiWATSON wished to ask the Prime Minister,
r:srider Secretary of the War Department, what
tirea had been taken or were in progress for the
of re of the convalescents, or the patients capable
to r°,741, in the hospitals at Scutari or in the Crimea,.
14111114nd or to some of our Mediterranean colonies,
LoredPerfect restoration of their health !
tat b„ „PALMERSTON said a commission was sentdi
the
to
ouke of Newcastle to inquire into the con -
ill: o hospitals, and to recommend such changes as
40"' r°ight think right and proper, and to report them
14esitolik jer:ulye
the Government at home, hut to Lord
No:. Lord Raglan was requested to act upon those
bopf„lPetidations without delay. It was the inten-
his noble friend at the head of the War
ti,P4ll;troent to make arrangements for a periodical ser-
1411det!een Constantinople and the Crimea ( n the one
qoacal,ll' England on the other. On the arrival home
krted"l,l4°4lids, as lei *ht be in a condition to be trans-
Oeptor "Y Sea, artane•entents would be made for their re-
tqll\,e Proper and suitable hospitals.
Ip n"„ "S ON BRITISH TRADE E.': CHINA.
Lor4d-twer to a question from Mr. HOItSFALL,
I,IIN-n4ALMERSTON said that with regard to t the
Naje,(:-,Whether instructions had been sent out toher
t4eb /,18 Superintendent of Trade in China to cancel
tintjtlilme te.ken on British trade at Shanghai between
tilijhkifsebruary and 12th July, 1854, Sir John Bow-
" 4, tiet,d,."een instructed to inquire into the circumstances
eb those bonds were given, and to make a full
ta
%.°ltc°4 the matter, and also other matters
i:4l, to her Majesty's Government for
hits
'4.;4..t10a...ti°9• Relative to the second point, as to wo
hee-
Igo coons had been given, or were intended t
iillat,.ller Majesty's Superintendent of Trade in
-fiChhl4. -L4terdict the in terfei ence of the Consular Courts
to°::°qCreference to all the bonds and securities taken
maaptrade since the expulsion of the Imperial ems-
; 'ttroh, Zlties from Shanghai by the insurgents in 1853,
'aft oolvrin had been informed that no pr.oceed-
kletoo-44,be takeng in the common law courts with re-
:4,441 these bonds • but he had been instructed to
l'qo "meta and return them to the partiesby
til"kdr: altilley were . given. With regard to
Ilat °Bequently given, the decision upon them
toped ,°o4l3ended until the report be had men-
to Pallid be received on the matter generailly.
,•"he third point in the question, it must depend on
lite44reitolstances of the case, whether decision
v°ll the Spot, or whether reference must be made
`4ol°.erntnent at home ; but in any question at issue
Lt4lading joterpretation of treaties reference ought to
th!le to the Government at home. With reference
to
point raised,
instructions had been forwarded
Bowring, to urge on the Chinese Govern-
Nty b6ePropriety of levying duties with perfect impar-
Ip tiween nation and nation.
-d°l3„l3', to Mr. C. BERKLEY,
114°ria%41411-EaST ON said it was true that Lord
aliff "' been recalled some time ago, in consequence
tlitZliell,es which hai arisen between him and the
ge-in-chief.
RTIEE VIENNA COMMISSIONER.
"4 tc, -11THORP inquired what pay Lord J. Russell
ti,tordrpec:ive for going to Vienna? (Laughter.)
)4no salary said his noble friend would
1, s.alarY whatever, but, as was usual on such
k‘%ol Log clear expenses would be paid an no more.
i„ elle! surpr,.,,
"VI.) ttr—l suppose they won't be small.

(4 rebi NEWSPAPER STAMPS.
*se etl".„,° Mr. GIBSON,
Strairci'4 CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
iZPet 4te.,,,ue should not be able to bring on his news-
-444 measure for discussion to-night, but it would
IPhinar:tageous if he were allowed to take the pre-
"ttupo"hte4olution to-n.ht with the view of fcunding the
'44 r n-141liolt the discussion would properly take place.
tc-hee'4 to another question
rek,,t th ba4l'l, CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
tlChirset,4BBN of the resolution would net immediately
411. Btat°l3 : that would have to abide the fate of

1:134 the TPPLY--ARMY ESTIMATES.
letis.,l4t itsettel. of the day being read for the house re-
'etes. Into committee of supply on the army
kit ilire to rose and said ho trusted the house would
‘l°:4ll,a4t 4ke a few remarks en the present critical
"°1:s? -aotilitulio affairs. Under ordinary circumstances
„liklalh.°llL,'e Made such an appeal, but he hoped the
'lll4 "1.44,h1t1i its usual kindness, extend to him a little
aidhie ititt4-he, ts4g in mind the deep interest which he
lion 1,"40a.'"° question. (Hear, hear.) It had been
' 011 'Ate . the present occa-
thA raise a discussion on
40'ree mitts..°4 the h; cltlestion of the appointment of the cora-
'yr' it 4' and learned member for Sheffield ; as,
Ight ste„
teat -4 tad not improbable that some arrangement
th e b
Ptire °Gore 4tween the hon. and learned gentlemanbe
tletted, lit"l4lt, by which a full discussion would
0 felt it I,',
eount for..d. duty to taleaardkvsatnotathgee
hoefutshee.
o ry would dressing a few
eir,4ll °PPortunif „ ttc't be satisfied if, at a moment like
ITer4al4.A their-Winrere not given to some hon. members
not 'n upon the present state of a. ffairs ;
‘4ll4ent, when "Ink a ex,t.tie iets en the house
eetter occasion could arise than
was to be called to vote a sumß
In.
of than 7,500,000/. for the maintenance and re ,
I,:"Ver four army• Last year, a sum almost as great
ls4'lll-I:lTir the aini. y—an a-rmy'utcusqualled
.in discipline,
k 44), i„,ed in all that was requisite to sena aYieoilo
1-`,; ao,-,ue the field ; but that army had been crippled and
Ot' h' to little mere than 12,000 men. It was his con-
-14;11)4t this country, was now standing on the brink,
I,..'4llAielilt.,t almost say, of ruin. There were many who
teY etqtlt, country almost in disgrace. There was no
la.tt/lt Vlng ourselves to our own real position ; and
taasitat °4°et degraded in his own eyes, because
boldly • be-
.* "° did not speak out more ,
tas%rtri.t,k,,sil,4, restrained from telling truthswhich
-"Vssele mind, but which, from various cons
rained44ltV-Illatti,lV from pressing upon the house.
au-Aitttte-al°,l4atplace, make an observation or two
111-" lb° 'Pert `'.6klition of the Government, becaur thhat
:(1 le to el
"irt„ -enient in the observations which e
o,°4lkttttit."' toblth4C A short time ago the honourable
074 c00d,4 efie,-,‘"er for Sheffield proposed a motion for a
the q ofnirtY into the condition of our troops, and
1.-`lO Tlait°4 d.epartments. which had the conduct
Gehl hegeti motion was resisted by the Government,
teie,4ler .ineta,l4. ,he fact that the motion,. if came ,
disheA4,e c11.6a-4 the -,nlent, but because it was la
direct vote of
`ustiet"'enge t "tribers of the Government. That was
s"'
sage
t 4--wb out and accepted. Not only was that
°easi4•.o.poi:rstood, but every member of the Govern-
%ft.( tte aside
4 fteitltated that the motion, if carried, would be
ernoCrl,-"' of censure, not on one or two members
I.llt, but on all and every one of them.
Ota'e:o4di-. 'OP'', what was the result ? The motion
tp sa,,4u Perhaps one of the largest majorities ev.er
re the:,(lneetion of such magnitude—it was carried
itte batbtleals 4.**o to one. The coantry felt no doubt as
tOted fe,!'„that motion. Many honourahle membe.rs
ft, ty,'`eY go; heir votes on account of the feeling which
NOle tlistry. The Government went out,
.an. and
Alio1;11. /.;;,4 Was impossible to form a new Adminis-
.4/Ctilltsittf" Palmerston at length stated that a new
htLitt ? 1.v,01% had been formed. And pf what did
lea"' the I), uY,, almost the identical individuuls who com-
kti. th,,.°Ze one. (Hear, hear.) There was only
i'thei at.. Now under ordinary circumstances—
adsulTeulties and straits to which the country was
Nes_-4oeutt-cri an Administration might perhaps have
Rev tot t ; but when Parliament was called upon to
i-uLhe Government the conduct of one of the
%tifiarliZn Which the country was ever engaged—.
tsst tut was called upon to vote large supplies
teti:fseeport of an army which had been reduced to a
141;:likee115 1b t„4"-„, When-Parliament was thus asked totplaicne.tie.
the Government—it became necessary_to
was
N 414
the t Government had done. (Hear.)
%Ntslllts "'me men did net retain the same pla s That
ats.' 44. Some changes had been made, butee Others
Of Ined in •
- Wtheir places. Now, let the house con-
1rt44:444°:"-aatyt !lose who remained merited the confidence
ase The other night a rather strange challenge
mitre by an hon. member, who said that even
-kt,.-",i,t'esis'or Aylesbury had not dared to assail the ad-
°l. the Admiralty • that hon. gentleman had
lastkelk tt short
memory, and it certainly was surprising
ItltttieNit ;eluark should have been made after what had
Oet "„it.oelePecting the questions of blockade and the
t~ee),l the transport service. Had not the manage-
es stv, se",% blockade brought immense mischief on
etuhle.
)4,,Ahs;‘ been one of the causes of our present diffi _
Ltlti ~4gain with regard to the transport service, has!
hill:4l;4ra over and over again stated the utterhcon.
loith-Ate4g existed in that service, and the almost
. statedelp
Loy °lir transports ? How, then, could
ltf
btleie
tkt.e.,telltiLttee of truth that the department n
klisral'"lta the First Lord of the Admiraltydti
141.-• 13144)0 Then, again, with respect to our iplo-
t4;t4titigetoeeoUld not forget that this war was owing to the
1140,1 love of our diplomacy—to those melancho y
I.‘l laPloee,-.44t, Vienna which almost brought disgrace upon
lils'eey-11° body. If we had shown a bold front in our
440 of,we 1110111 d not have been in our present state.
4titikkilot-r",:dieloniatic appointments were not worthy of
Ile did not wish to mentioh names, but dur-
se4roedsithese transactions were going on an exchange
Itio %his en,7 Which one noble lord, who was too old
NitL -"%trY Oa an ambassador was sunk into a ruts-
wehrl_usidered that to have been a gross job, and a
mite °f tll,lu Ought not to be passed over in silence. the
!sll of their country wished those who had the managed
Itkl Aetsh affairs te rise in the House of Commons an
tl4l4eeet !ll' They did not wish the Government to give
4,7ter answers to iudiscreet questions, or to betray
ruler of the country by indiscreet tlisclosure.s, but
t h ". member asked a question, they considered
'4l ‘,ll
her, ght to receive a straightforward answer. He
4,1'4 bl,;..tentlY asked whether there would be an efft-
-e.Ade "Yes." But what
zek, apka and the reply was
Nl‘ ? Why, months afterwards the
at all.
1 se 44
iiitted there had been no blockade
effective
te „;.30. member said we had only 12,000
bait erhosta, a right hon. gentleman said we had
oho (No -11°'w 12,000 ;as admitted to be the rightd nunito-
st4q.ttle ion°.) Then let the documents bet proarmucvedwas
feat \'.\llt---tio;uuu• When it was stated that h
F= cur our men were eating Frenche bread and
ietlt/ 4Fh clothiug—the reply was,th t our .rmy
iVit~:lerntliounxsu.ry(Haenat..ri p)erfectly protected against
satisfied
to °so ti! of the weather. The country was not
ohytp e * S"libe bwe bneo individuals
latisvkl INi:l:est
Before Government,Christnas Parliament was called
44145i11P144 the Militia Bill and the Foreign Enlist-
. The Lib..ral party were called upon to swallow
° oe.'lPles all the declarations which they had
rta.):l hustii:
m,tll,A, toe,a because it was of the utmost
" wthe bills without loss of time. Now what
lati!ta.rec 6 result ? He believed he could state as a fact
‘ll Y•at single man had been engaged under that
14/?').4.4..uslisteient Bill ; and that up 'to this moment
4e,tthe t Made up their minds who was to carry it out.
o' `• me
France had been engaging men, and Ger-
'Dr 44 Putt' •
to t 1:)a Ing its army on a war footing, or in a state
4154'44 16n, so as to be ready at fourteen days' notice
ti,Jile I. field. The result would be, either that we
4ee te u,hble to obtain men or that we should b,
4(4 takes the scum of the co'ntinent. Then with re
14, t0,r4,...vtY, he believed that not Line step had bee
getting a body of cavalry together, and it

'was very doubtful whether the Government would bo able now. Thelakeseemedstill, but let netthe Government sail
to obtain such a force. Then large contracts were to have upon it with a feeling of security. Unless something were
been made in Asia Miner. But what had been done ? done to prevent it a -storm would arise, and then not only
The very man who had been pointed out as quell- they but others might be shipwrecked. The people wished
fled to eater into such contracts, stated that he to see whether they could not be governed by some one
had offered them months ago, but that they had . new. They would not have the same party over and over
been refused, and that he 'then offered them to ! again. (Hear, hear.) He had no doubt a Cavendish in
the French Government, by which Government they were the Cabinet was of great importance; but the country
accepted, and he was now engaged in buying up all the thought more of 20,000 lives than of a Cavendish in the
cattle in Asia Minor for France. (Hear, hear.) Then Cabinet. They wanted a thorough and complete reform.
again, instead of employing the most useful persons for If the noble lord had followed the wishes of the people of
purposes of conveyance and labour, the Turks had been em- England ho would have had a Cabinet which might at
ployed and treated in the worst possible manner. Such least have appealed to the House of Commons for support,
being the past policy of those who composed the new Go- and he would not have hesitated, whether or not the com-
vernnaent, it was necessary to inquire on what ground mittee which that house had voted should be appointed.
they could be supported.• If the committee moved for by He (Mr. Layard) entreated the noble lord to reflect. He
the hon. and learned member for Sheffield should be believed that if he took that line the country and the
honestly worked, it must to a certain extent prove injurious house would support him, and he would save his own re-
to the carrying on of public affairs, and more especially so putation and the honour and interests of this great nation.
if the conduct of the members of the Administration General PEEL add ho was net surprised at the general
should be canvassed ; for in that case Parliament would indignation when he read such horrible accounts of the
be sitting in judgment on the members of the present Ad- state of the army, for the army was the property of the
ministration. There was only ono ground on which hon. ' country at large. A Secretary for War had been sacri-
members could have justified the rejection of the motion ficed, and he did not understand why the whole Cabinet
for. the appointment of the committee. It was this, that had not followed. He (General Peel) voted against the
they had before them new men, and that such a programme motion of the hon. member for Sheffield ; but' it was not
had been presente.l as to insure the support of tho coun- that no evils existed, but that he had no confidence in a
try. On these grounds many hon. members would have ! committee of the house as a tribunal to reform them, for it
voted for the Government. But how could they do so, i was the worse they could have—unconstitutional and int-
when the appointment of the committee was placed on the practicable. He blamed the Government for having corn-
saute footing as it was some days ago ? Was there anything ; menced a great war with inadequate means. He said the
iu the programme which justified confidence in the Minis- first fault in its management was in sending out too many
ters ? The noble lord did not propose to go to the bottom troops, without a corresponding force in the commissariat
of any existing wrong, or to recall any body ;he only pro- and medical departments. It wonld have been better to have
posed a series of commissions. Surely the house had facts I sent only 10,000 or 15,000 at first, and to have restricted
enough before it without further inquiry. At the head of I the operations to what they could perform, instead of
the commissariat there was a gentleman 70 years of age ; sending every available man to rival the French. After
and that commissariat was in such a condition that our the battle of Alma the victorious armies should have made
men had been starved. Were not these facts sufficient to the attack on Sebastopol, without giving the Russians
warrant the recall of the head of the department without time for reinforcements. He (lid not oppose the enlist-
further
inquiry ? What had been done with regard to the meat of foreigners, if absolutely necessary. He thought '
medical staff ? Nearly three months ago a commission was our regimental officers and regimental system were
sent out to inquire into its state, yet the same state of good ; and surely those men would make as good general
things existed. Dr. Horne was at its hoe& and Mr. Law- 1 officers if the opportunity were afforded them. if they
son, instead of being removed from his post, had been sent were going to rival the warlike nations on the Continent
to Scutari, where he was put at the head of the hospital, they must set about it in a different manner. He thought
and was thence removed to Rhodes. (Hear.) Nothing every exertion ought to be made to carry on the war so as
had been gained by that. He believed that no man pos- to make a safe and honourable peace, and that once done
messed greater or more eminent abilities than Sir John Mac- the sooner the people resumed their peaceful pursuits the
neill, who was going on this duty, because he believed it better.
to be a sacred duty to do so ; but he was no longer a young Lord pALMERSTON—I should be the last man to find
man, and his health was so weak that he had hitherto been fault with any hon. member who should bring under the
obliged to decline those high appointments to which his
abilities entitled him. It was physically impossible that notice of the house any part of our administrative system,
he should go into every hole and corner of the camp and either at home or abroad, which he may think has failed
expose all existing evils. The result would be that, like adequately to perform its functions, or any improvement
every other man employed either by the late or the pre- of which he may consider that system to be capable. But,
sent Administration—for they were the ammo—(cheers)— sir, I do protest against the language we have heard this
he would lose a well-earned reputation ; he would not be
able to cure the evils complained of, and the Government evening from the hon. member for Aylesbury—(cheers)---
would place upon his head the blame which ought to fall who, while ho performs what he thinks a public duty in
upon others. What need was there for a commission upon pointing out old errors and instances of mismanagement in
r the transport service? At the head of that service was aegard to the army, must needs tell me that this country
Capt. Christie, an old gentleman more than 70 years of
has become the laughing-stock
age, who could not leave his ship after dark without en- of Europe, and has thought
roper to mingle with his observations and comments a
cneering his life from catarrh, and who for five or six la
days had been unable to land at Balaklava. Was then deal of what I must call vulgar declamation against the
the state of that harbour to be wondered at? Were they aristocracy of this country. (Cheers.) Sir, I lament as
going to send out a commission to inquire how old Capt. much as the hon. member or any man the sufferings of our
Christie was, and what was the state of Balakalava liar-
brave army before Sebastopol. I admit, too, that those
boor ? There was not a boy in the streets who could not
tell them that. What was wanted was not commissions, sufferings have in part been aggravated by want of ar-
but men. The country was sick of commissions. He rangemont and proper management ; but I must, in pass-
knew it had been said that men could not be found ; but fug, say it is a great mistake to suppose that those suffer-
to say so was an insult to the common sense of the coun- 1 •nes have been entirely confined to the British troops.
try. If the test of a man was that he should be above 70 -
years of age, should be a member of Brookes at, and should (Hear.) I speak not now of our brave allies ; but I know,
always vote for Government, it might be difficult to find from good authority, that of the Russian army there are
such a one who could carry on business properly; but do not fewer than 35,000 men in hospital, sick an wounded,
not let him be told that in a country possessing such ma- in consequence of the campaign. (Hear.) I say the suffer-
terial resources as ours, and in which each great works ings of our brave troops, however much they may have
were undertaken as he saw accomplished in England, they been nacreased by want of arrangement and proper ma-
could not find a man to set in order Balaklava harbour, or nagement, have arisen in a great degree from principal
to put the army into a state of efficiency. (Cheers.) If causes which it was not in the power of any man to
there was any difficulty, let the officers of the army ballot control, considering the nature of the service in which
for a commander ;in the artillery he was sure there would they have been engaged and the severity of the weather
be but one name mentioned as the most competent. Why to which they have been exposed. (Hear, hear.) But,
then send out commissioners to inquire who was or was not so far from this country standing lower in the estima-
capable? Let them not send out despatches implying can- tion of the world than it formerly did, when I look, sir,
sure upon a man, and then, when asked if they had re- at the matchless bravery of our troops—when I look to the
called him, say that they had not, but had insulted and victories they have achieved—(cheers)—and when I look to
censured him, so that be 'must come home. If a man the share which the gentry and the aristocracy of England
was incompetent, let him be recalled; and if he was not, have taken in those conflicts—(cheers)—instead of feeling
let the Ministers have the manliness to say in that house any shame for my country, I feel proud of the events to
that ho was competent, and the country would support which the hon. gentleman has alluded, and which have
them. (Cheers.) Such were all the proposals of the noble now become subjects of immortal renown. Talk to me of
lord's speech, with the exception of making Lord Raglan a the aristocracy of England ! Look at the glorious cavalry
kind of head scavenger, and sending out General Simpson charge at Balaklava—(cheers)—where the noblest and the
to look after the staff. This last was a great mistake. wealthiest of the land rode foremost, followed by heroic
You could not go on a system of divided authority. If men from the lower classes of the community, each rival-
General Simpson had been the head of a regularly orga- ling the other, and where neither the peer who led nor the
nised staff, it would have been a different thing. Had troops who followed could be distinguished from one an-
Lord Raglan consented to this arrangement? .Had he ad- other. (Loud cheers.) In that glorious band were the sons
misted that his staff was incompetent? If so, let the of the gentry of England, at the head were the nobles of
members of it be sent home. If the Government wanted the land; and, following them, were the representatives of
inquiry, let them send out, instead of these commissions, the people of this country. (Hear, hear.) I say if any in-
a man whom they had confidence in; let him mix with the stance could be required to show that all classes in this
rogimentel officers and the soldiers, and he would in a ver9 country, from the highest to the lowest, share in common
few days find out where was the real evil. The noble the noblest qualities which dignify man, I would appeal to
lord (Palmerston) had said nothing about the War-office that gallant charge as an immortal proof of the glory of this
—nothing about a reform of the Horse Guards—nothing country. (Cheers.) The hon. member, I believe, has con-
about promotion, upon which subject his noble friend the seated to be a member of the committee proposed by my
member for Huddersfield (Lord Goderich) had given no- hon. and learned friend the member for Sheffield. He will
tics of a motion. The country would not be satised with of course vote for the appointment of that committee; but
the promotion of sixty sergeants. It was not in a humour what was the line of his argument ? Why, that we, for-
to take that as a privilege which it demanded as a prin- Booth, were trifling with the interests of the country and
ciple and a right. Unless the Government was prepared with the lives and sufferings of our soldiers by sending out
to make a thorough and radical change in the system at commissioners to the Crimea, with full powers to inquire
the Horse Guards, the country would not be satisfied with into and rectify, if possible, the very abuses and want of
anything which it could do. The right hon. gentleman, arrangement of which lie complains. (Hear, hear.) The
lately the Secretary at War (Mr. S. Herbert) had in a hon. gentleman proposes, indeed, as an example, a corn-
recent speech insinuated that it was to the House of Com- mittee of safety, like that of the French Revolution. (A.
mons refusing to support an army equal to the wants of laugh.) He would have commissioners sent out to the
the public service th t the evils from which our troops Crimea with power to execute summary justice on
had suffered were to be attributed. The blame was con- those whom they might think deserving of it. I must
tinually shifted from one person to another. The general take the honourable gentleman at his word, and suggest
in command said that ho was crippled from home ; the to him that he movo this house to extend the functions
Govelisment said the general did not pursue the instruc- of the committee of my honourable and learned friend,
tions they sent to him; he threw the blame on the regi- by making it obligatory on the members of that cone-
mental officers, and the right honourable gentleman mittee to proceed instantly to the scene of actionin the
threw it upon the soldiers. Thus one blamed the Crimea, and to remain there until the end of the session.
other, and at last they all agreed to blame the House (Laughter.) Then,' again, the hon. gentleman says that we
of Commons. If the House of Commons was to blame, have in some instances abstained from getting supplies
let it be sent to the country, and let its con- from Asia Minor, from which the French have been able
stituente force it to do its duty. He denied, however, to profit. I protest against that invidious distinction be-
that the houi3e was to blame. It had for years voted autos tween the two portions of the allied army. Bat I appro.
of money sufficient almost to support the army of France. bend that Asia Minor may be considered sufficiently large
What the house had objected to was the present system of to furnish provisions both for the English and the French;
favouritism at the Horse Guards, and unless the noble lord and arrangements have been made to procure from Sinope
was prepared to act upon such a principle as should put an and its neighbourhood supplies for the army in the Crimea.
end to this, how could he ask for the confidence and sup - The hon. gentleman, anticipating, I think, a debate which
port of those who believed that the miserable and disgrace- has not yet arrived, has furnished strong reasons against
ful condition to which our army had been reduced was the conclusion to which he would wish the house to come.
mainly owing to the state of things which existed at the The hon. gentleman says we ought to have stated to the
Horse Guards? Everyone was afraid to act with vigour. house what are the terms which my noble friend the mom-
One morning, as he was going up the lines, he met a con- her for the City of London is about to propose during the
voy of upwards of 300 wounded men attended only by a negotiations in which he will shortly take part. It is the
few privates, without officers or surgeons. Lord Raglan's first time I have ever heard it asked that we should, be-
attention was called to it. He inquired into it, and found fore entering on negotiations, explain fully to the adverse
that the medical men atecofficers who had charge of these party all the stipulations and all the conditions which we
wounded men had neglected their duty. He published a shall be willing to accept. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) I
general order, censuring the conduct of the officers as die- think that if that were the course of polioy on which we
graceful, but added, " 1 will spare their feelings, and will acted, we should justly lay ourselves open to censure. But
net mention their names." He (Mr. Layard) honoured and the hon. gentleman says that between Friday night last,
revered such feelings in a man, but could not honour esr re- and Monday afternoon I have lost the confidence of the
verence them in a general. (Cheers.) What was the result ? country. (An ironical laugh.) He says that has arisen
The Marines having been landed at Balaklava, and placed from the fact that I have not recommended to the Queen a
under the orders of the colonel commanding there, one of
exactly how that Cabinet was to be formed. (Laughter.)
was taken to one of the hospitals, the surgeon of which
Cabinet of a different complexion. Now, he omitted to state
them was during the night seized with the cholera. He
refused to get up, because the man was a marine. He was learned friend the member for Sheffield the members of
then carried to another, where he was refused admission, Perhaps he would have made the committee of my hon. and
the proposed Cabinet. (A. laugh.) Sir, lam not afraid
and as the guard could not leave their post he was left on of the denunciations thus made. lam satisfied that the
the shore to die. This was brought to Lordßaglan'anotice, people of this country will look far ,more deeply into things
and he was asked to issue a general order reflecting on the than they are represented to do by such statements as these.
medical men concerned. He declined to do so, because he (Cheers.) I am satisfied when they see a Government
had already issued one general order reflecting upon the which has been constituted in consequence of the failure of
medical men, and if he issued another it would weaken the two other attempts to make a Government, that they will
confidence of army in the medical staff. These were feel that the men who have thus undertaken the conduct of
dreadful things. Lord Raglan was an amiable man, and affairs have done so because they thought the country ought
a man of good heart ; bus the man whom we wanted to cone- not to be left without a Government, that they have done
remand the army was not an amiable man, but a man who it from a sense of public duty, and if they believed that
would sacrifice friends, relations, all that he held dear in the those who have undertaken the conduct of affairs have done
world, to peiform what under such circumstances was an act so from honest and honourable motives, they will give them
of imperative duty. If things went on in this way, many credit for the desire to perform their duties with a view
to
months would not elapse before there would be nothing the best interests of the country, and that they will not
but the staff left to return to this country. Let them send liehtlytween Frida night and Monday morning a change
believe, as has been stated by the hon. gentleman,
out a man of vigour, who would cut down to the root, and thatbe
who would spare nothing or nobody, anti they might then of opinion has taken place in the Cabinet. Sir, we pre-
hoe for some change—th y might then hope to save the seated ourselves to the country for the purpose of carrying ,
su.vivors of our gallant army. If such a course were not on to the best of our means, and with adequate energy, the
adopted all would perish, and their blood would be upon war which we think necessary to be carried on. We pre-
the heads of the Ministry. (Hear, hear.) It was said seated ourselves to the country with the honest intention
that our army was not used to great campaigns. Our cam- of veiling ourselves of the opportunity, if it be practi-
paigns in India had been on a larger scale than those of
the French in Algeria; but a paltry jealousy prevented us means. We will not present, for acceptance to the coun-
availing ourselves of the experience thus gained, and led cable, of terminating the war by fair and honourable
try, as a means of that end, terms which we think will not
to such men as Outram and numbers of others who had secure the country against the recurrence of those events
led our troops to glory, and had seen great campaigns, which compelled us to draw the sword. A hollow truce is
being passed over because they received the pay of the not that which the country would accept from any Govern-
East India Company, while men of seventy, who had never meat • it is still less what the country would accept from
seen a campaign, were sent out, because they had family us. (Cheeps.) If we should succeed in obtaining a treaty
connexions, because they were related to members of Par- which we think honourable and safe to the country, we
liament, or could command a seat. This was monstrous. shall rejoice that we have been the means of restoring
He was told that by using this language he was pulling peace on those terms; but if, on the other hand, it should
down the aristocracy. On the contrary, he wanted to appear that the adversary with whom we are contending
save them, and those only endangered them who supported has not yet been brought to that temper of mind from
the continuance of such a state of things as this, by which which a permanent peace can be expected, then we shall
the people of England, though patient and long-suffering, appeal to the country for that support in the discharge
would, if it continued, eventually be roused to fury. He
was told that the Times had raised the cry, and had made of the duties which a continuance of the contest may im-
pose upon us. Whatever may be said by the hon. gentle-
the popular indignation. It was not so, any more than it man or by any other hon. member, I feel confident that this
was the Puritan preachers who made the English, or Res- country will give its support to a Government who hone:4ly
/emu and Voltaire who made the French revolution. and honourably intends to do its duty in a moment of great
These men did not make the revolutions, but were made
‘emergency—(cheers)---a Government which has not forced
by them. So, too, it was not the Times that made public itself upon the country by any vote or motion of this house,
indignation in England, but public indignation which or by any Parliamentary manoeuvre, but which has arisen in
made the Times. (Cheers.) If the Government wantedconsequence of the failure of others who might, if they had
to have the pose tion of the Times, let them do as it had I
do not mean this as any blame to them, but as a ground
chosen to undertake the task, but who shrunk from doing so.
done ; let them come forward in that house, and say what,
the people of England thought, and not what they wanted on which we are entitled to expect the support of the
them to think. (Hear, hear) The noble lord had told country. I say, after the two failures to which I refer,
the house that Lord John Russell was going to Vienna, that I should have felt myself a degraded man if I had not
but he had not told it whether he was going to advocate undertaken the task ; and I throw myself with confidence
the principle advocated by Lord Castlereagh, to whose on the generosity of the country and of Parliament ; and
mission this had been compared, or whether he was going I am convinced that so long as we do our duty—and we
to negotiate upon the four points. This was a question of will do our duty so long as we have the support of the
such importance that upon it the people of England, country, and lam satisfied we are enabled to do it with
through their representatives, had a right t s ask for die- that support—in spite of temporary reverses, and in spite
fillet information. He did not wish to touch upon sub- of the momentary aspect of affairs, we shall succeed in
jects which it might be dangerous to canvass in a public carrying measures to a successful issue, be it for, peace
assembly, but did it never occur to Ministers that the now or peace hereafter, or be it by negotiation now or
people of England had by the fault of their Governments arms hereafter, which shall place this country on that
,
now placed themselves in a position which exposed them proud footing of future security on which its greatness
to the contempt of their neighbours, and which they might and its power so well entitle it 'to stand. (Loud cheers.)
ere long have occasion to rue, not so much on account of Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE contended that the most lor-
their own dignity and interest as on account of the Dade- : dinary precautions might have prevented the calamities
lible impression it had made on those who might be at ' which had befallen our troops before Sebastopol, and that
heart our enemies, and our friends only for a period? Did as yet no explanation had been given why those precau-
the Government forget that the eyes of all Europe were tions had not been taken. For his part, he would insist
now upon us? Was it ready, fur any private, party, or on some inquiry being made which should really ascertain
family considerations, to allow us to become not only the the cause of the state of things which had so long existed
laughing-stock of the world, but to fall from the high
in the Crimea.
pace which we once held in the rank of nations, and to the WARNER said lie could not think the explanation
show that we might perhaps be an easy prey to any one given by the noble lord would be entirely satisfactory to
who sought our destruction? In what position did the
the country. The only reason why the country had put
noble lord (Lord Palmerston) stand a few days ago ? No confidence in the noble lord was because they believed he
man ever undertook the formation of a Ministry who had was the man who would act with energy in this ewer-
more general sym lathy hot only throughout England but gency. It had often been sail that wo were not a mili-
throughout the world. His name was throughout Europe 1,
a magi; name ; it was the representative of great princi- tart' nation. The House of Commons, however, had done
everything in its power to make us one, and he wanted to
pies ; it was, whether lightly or wrongly he would not say,
;know why it was that we wore not a military nation ?
received as the representative of liberty. His reputation
Major REID said ha had boon long of opinion that the
was so broad that even the betrayal of the Sicilians and
of the cause of Italy in 1818 could not tarnish it ;it hascould ale it more disgraceful it
ful, and that if anything m
whole, system in vogue at the. Horse Geounalruidsiswsiaosusdisgraoe-
passed through every storm. He rose in that house with
the whole people of England ready to support him. He
h e. He contended that until there was a change in
was the jobbery practised in giving by per-
rose as no man had ever risen there before, at a moment .
when every member of the house would
.have supported
that untilree they made the service open to merit they would
thatas et they would never have an efficient army, and
because they fat sleet, at a great crisis, he had, from
r obtain really efficient officers. There was a vast
a eeese of duty, undertaken a difficult and onerous task.
Would the people of England be satisfied with what thenoble
educated, and not born with a silver spoon in their mouths,
lord had done ? Ile thought they would not, They wore quiet i
numberneve of men inthe army who,. although not highly