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the name submitted by him, as there_ -wee no a
between the two cases. eln conclresince he NO to suggest for the consideration of theflsoblee -lord
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be added to the committee. ' (Opposition cheers.)
Mr. MACARTNEY seconded the motion •
Lord SEYMOUR; ars a member
of the c*
ommittee, de-
fended the determination which they had comeeto, on the
ground that any new member would be precluded from
taking part in the final decision of the committee, which
must shortly be given, who bad not heard or need through
all the-evidence—which was of the most voluminous de-
-scription. The'result of nominating an additional mem-
ber might be that they world run' the risk of protracting
indefinitely an inquiry which it was moat desirable to ter.
minate shortly.
Mr. LIDDELL agreed with the noble lord that the in-
quiry ought to be brought to a close as speedily as possible.
However, thegreat reason adduced for making no further
additions to the committee was that the new. member or
members could.not have been expected to have made them-
selves masters cf all the evidence. Now,be begged tore-
mind the'honse that that was an argument which might
have held quite as good on Friday night, when there was
the question of the appointment of the lion. member for
Limerick. (Loud cries of hear, on the Opposition benches.)
It appeared to him that there had been a sort of under-
standing, or agreement, between the hon. and independent
chairman of the committee, and if the matter came to a
division he should give the motion his support.
Mr. H. DP.UMMOND said it was not the members of
the committee who desired any accession to their body.
The hon. member-seemed to consider that the question was
one. Solely between the committee and the Go
but if Government ;
he thought that he (Mr Du d)into the
committee with a foregone conclusion,
oregone conclusion, in order to frame
articles of im each
other man hPh uaent against the Government or any
, e ad grossly mistaken his man. (A laugh,
and hear, hear.) A -
tives
Imputed Talk of faction, indeed, what
could be more factious th •
pack, but could not do
nit,
to say that you intended to
for the purpose not of in , a committee that should go in
riving at a foregone conclinsirineg into the truth, but of ar-
there was no necessity w_
ar. (Oh, oh.) In his opinion
committee. h ever for any addition to the
Mr. PACKE had the highest possible
members of the committee ; but the bon.
rect for the
Surrey would forgive him for stating on. mom her for East
learned chairman of the commute, that the hon. and
-Was the essee to give
notice of a motion to appoint an additional -
Lord PALMERSTON said that the,member.
agreement made with regard to the Way__ fee which the
committee had been represented by mi.!'
reattinsneeinct of the
a total forgetfulness of 'the ordinary and neoessaresimPelreei.d
of proceeding in that house. The course pursued' ec;-
hon. and learned friend was the course which bad by his
variably adopted in such cases. -As to the-presentee gee,.
tion he could only say that his hpn. and learned friend had
stated to him this evening that the committee had that
morning unanimously come to the decision that they pre.
ferred not to have a new, member added.; and aafar as he
(Lord Palmerston) was concerned, it was a matter of per-
fect indifference whether a member was. added or not.
I•Sr. oreover, if a member were added, he had not the slightest
objection to a naval officer being selected by the house for
the purpose. Individually, however he felt that some
deference was due to the opinion of the committee, which
appeared, to be unanimous ; he should, therefore, vote
with his hon. and learned friend (Mr. Roebuck), but he
could assure the house that it was a matter of total indiffe-
rence to him whether the motion of the hon. member op-
posit° was agreed to or not. If Captain Gladstone was
appointed, he was certain the hon. and gallant gentleman
would discharge his duty to the satisfaction of the country,
and that they could not have a fitter person individually
or professionally.
Mr. DISRAELI agreed with the noble lord in what he
said respecting the system which prevailed in this house
with regard to the appointment of a select committee ; and
when his hon. friend who had made this motion had had a
more extended Parliamentary experiencehe was convinced
he would acquit the Government, of whatever party it
might be formed, of any sinister purpose in the mode they
sanctioned of appointing these committees which had been
adopted solely for the convenience of the house. The course
which he (Mr. Disraeli) had taken in reference to the nomi-
nation of this committee conclusively showed that there
was no desire on that (the opposition) side of the house to
make the committee a party committee ; that on the con-
trary, their greatest desire was to recommend to the house
such names only as would render the committee an efficient
one, and obtain for it the confidence of the house and the
country, and there could be no question now that they
were all of them free to take the course with regard to the
present vacancy which they fright think best calculated for
the public interest. But he begged of the house to hesitate
before they allowed any minister or committee to have the
power of diminishing the number of persons to whom they
delegated the high authority and august functions which
were reposed in a committee of that house. It might be in
the power of a minister, if he wished, to reduce the num-
bers of an important committee upon some vital inquiry.
He might reduce the numbers of the committee by giving
places to its members. (Cheers.) Would he tell them that
that was of no importance, and that it was a matter of in-
difference whether this or that gentleman or no gentleman
was appointed to fill a vacant post? A minister of the
Crown had no right to use the language which thenoble
lord had used. The noble lord ought to feel that the ap-
pointment of the members of this committee was one of
the moat-important events of the session, This session baa
not been so memorable that the noble lord ought not to be
allowed to say that it wasnot a matter of the slightest itn-
tortance who were the members of the committee, or
whether there were any members of the committee.
(Cheers.) The noble lord had spoken with contempt of
this committee. (No, no.) Did it not show contempt to
e say it was a matter perfect indifference to him whether
a member were added or not ? (Hear, hear.) The noble
lord thought itehe said, an insignificant 'matter-whether
the number of the committee were made up or not. Why,
the noble lordsmightjust as well say it was an insignificant
matter whether the nuu.:ber of the judges of the land was
maintained. (Hear; hear.) There was no question which
the people cf thiscountry had more at heart than the in-
vestigation now going on, and it was the duty of the house
' to see that the number of tho committee now conducting
it should bo 'maintained. He denied that his hon. friend
(Mr. Beutinck) had sought to infuse anything like party.
spirit into the course he now took. Ho had in Pict pro-
po.ed the name of a, gentleman —not a partisan, but a near
relation of ono who, although no longer a Minister, was
till responsible td'Parliament and the- country for what
had occurred in connection with our army in the East.
(Hear, heer.) The hon. and gallant member now proposed
to beadded would bring intelligence and ability to bear
upon the investigation, and he (Mr. Disraeli) trusted his
hon. friend, who had. with so much honourable consistency
and perseverance contendedegainst difficulty when he had
before brought this question before the house, would
triumph in his present motion. (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. GREY. denied that his noble friend had treated
the inquiry entrusted to. the committee with levity—all
his noble friend said was that he was anxious to consult
the opinion of the committee, which was that it was not
desirable to add a member to the committee in the place of
the member who had receded. There was nothing uncon-
stitutional in the committee arriving at such a conclusion.
Mr. WHITE3IDE asked whether it was constitutional
to make a member of a committee a placeman before he •
had concluded his 'Share in the investigation to which he
was a party? (Hear.) So select a member for promotion .
in the-Government Was, to say the least, an injurious
precedent, and there was no reason why that course could
not be applied to four members as well as one. Oa Friday
the noble lord, with some reminiscences perhaps of youth-
ful patriotism, insisted that the member to be supplied to
the committee should be an Irishman. Now the noble
lord was averse to having a member appointed at all. He
(Mr, Whiteside) had heard it stated that this matter had
been arranged ; and the noble lord, finding public opinion
to be against the course he had taken on Friday night, now
said it was not of the least consequence to the Government
whether a naval member were appointed or not. (Hear.)
He trusted the house would insist on the committee being
maintained in its integrity and independence, and that it
would affirm the nomination suggested by, his hon. friend.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought it due to the noble lord to say
that he had nothing whatever to do with the recommenda-
tion of the committee. The noble lord had not been con-
sulted by the committee on the matter, and it was the sug-
gestion of the right bon. member for Droitwich that the
opinion of the committee should be communicated to, the
noble lord by him (Mr. Roebuck). The him. member for
South Northumberland insinuated that he (Mr. Roeback)
was in that painful position of having his confidence with-
drawn from him. He could assure the hon. member for
South Northumberland that that-painful position he (Mr.
Roebuck) would endeavour to bear. (Laughter.) As far --
as ho was concerned it was a matter of indifference whothe
member was that was appointed on the committee. •
Mr. MAGUIRE insisted upon the importance of haling
the vacancy on the committee filled by• eligible and;
in-
dependent member, a most important porthsd ele,
inquiry had yet to be entered upon.
remind
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Mr. BENTINCK said it was necessary for him to
ht forward on
the house that from the motion be had b
Tat inffueueed by '
this subject, it could not be said that her
cue... ea,.
any party spirit. (Hear, hear Though_
the
stated, yet this beis%
lord had ,.,, A
house might be as the noblebeers/lie"
rule should be observed-'
great exceptional case a different
connected with the transport..st
great part of the inquiry
d he thoillet it was most
service had yet to take place, 9011000, ee navy
important that a gentleman
committee.
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12' • rand the house
be appointed on the
to withdraw,
Strangers were then ordered
divide, when
unwilling to put the
was preparing to
said that he was
Mr. ROEBUCK
liv.cig titer.)
(Laug
house to the trouble of
then 11
el then said as the hon, and learned
Lord PAL7dERST
of the committee had stated that
• chairman
gentleman the the motion, he (Lord Palmerston),
to
he had no objectionwoul have no objection. (Loud cries of -
for his own .parta.
" ri laughter.)
" hear, hear,
that Captain Gladstone b©
appointed a,mera•
The motion .
usmittee, in the room of Mr.
her of the co J. Ball, was then
agreed to.
The -
nITANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
brought up
the following bills, which were read a first time,
and or-
dered tab° read a second time on Thursday
The Loan Bill, the Stamp Duties Bill, next,
711"
Bill, the Spirit Duties Bill, d the Income Tax
an the Customs Duties Bill.
The other business of the
and the house adjourned t twenty minutes before one.

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