The National Register.
London, England, 1821-04-02 00:00:00

HOUSE OF CONINIONS.

NUNDA Y, M thCli
Mr. LAM RTOIS gas. Wail r, hat h.• should not hring
fornord liis motion 14. r pailiainents.) relniin till ih.
of April.
Mr. CUR WIN pngtponeil Iris 115011ittei rover-ling the
Agriesiltirriel Hulse Duty rill 'n edot ni..y.
The li.glignie and Hemline 1 Roads' bill was read a
iler01)41 nine.
Mr. IS Nif; llrennitr..l two petitions against the said bill.
retiious 41,1 c Itrin 1 Innis weer pr/•.
Settle.' Littt:t, 55.5. and %Veitt.—
ellittpetilt.tost, --41coole ,rostry ht. Vol k.--cterg)
Suer 11.. .1.1i4 stillsAttßilPl,ll4ll.l
reill.l.lleh west itteArillt .11 Piptiotiits, North Jlttel.l.
ke• auoliesl al y elaisege tit Ib • tiro Nei &stir%
Sit B. 11,111 1-14Neh11 d a pennon Ilum cottons hot..
pork. 11 of ewe. alt., nut Av. rAgett
. Mr. J. N 08:1 LEV pr.. 40..11 a in tri ttttt lion the Cloth
Lords, against the .‘iirrat.
MI Cu hEK plr.. n rat p.llll us front Giaysturis,
and onuinei p..ite mU. h,rese.l, rurriplrriiiing ut airs-
filltus. 1 II hl, ntl, 41151 .•I lit d Is. bt• pinned.
FottuEttiFs.—Mr. tilitslloll:h9F. cre,te..tuti a petition
Irons a et.uNl Ir.p.ddish .411'14411W i 4 the ail
Ilitmixti It rattle 411141 M. 111.1.1.01144 14.06 C lilt tinwares.. of
11.utibaaub and hurls cu.) vi thubmit&llt,ur is-44.103HW. ilia

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petitioner stated, that in one week lie had received 23
one pound notes, all of which turned out to be forgeries,
but which could nut be discovered to be such except by
bank isispectots. The lion. me....ber held the notes in his
lined, and ',resented them for the insp(ction W. the house.
The, petilimier staled, that from 14 ieturn laid befaie the
house, it appealed, that in ISIS there were Ifid persons
colll icied 111 lingerie.; matte there were 27a, le- a
of them only connected sink the forging, the rest were tut
untaing. The petitioner played that the Bank might be
called on to pay all such forget les, or to be compelled to
issue cash.
Mr. G. RENNET t confirmed thieve sentiments.
Mr. (.I/lIWEN asked n nether 1 iII•FC NON ally prospect
of any plan coming limn the f ger). prism tilt eumini••
sioneis ?
Sir W. CONGREVE rrplied, that after making the
last repel'', the comoissitniers consigned the execution of
the plot to the Bank, bill aaxious as the Batik were to
;the! the difficulty, they weie Ines sue to try any expe-
riment nil there should he a fair chimer oi something
elhr it tit tieing suggested. lie had turned no ordinsry
intention to this 1411 niVel—:lc seas persuaded that a paper
concur.) might be pi otlid.c.l that would tie ni tic difficult
of intitotion than was the 01 Chell4 tutu ante mulct..
ti..llA ICING lamented Mutt die him,: had not appointed
a cOaitilit tee out the subject, instead of having the commis-
sion, which lied coot 1111 l rti fur upwards of two years
without accomplishilig any thing. After promising, month •
•Iler month, some elficectuies scheme, the co 11111 l isvioners
had mew consigned all their schemes to the Bank. Ile also
gavel tett to the frequency wills which the new silver
ecut,age was tiuw cuitillettetted.
Petition real. It was front Mr. Gibson, of the Strand,
grocer and Ica dealer.
Mr. WESTERN lirouv.ht in the bills to repeal the new
English -ad Irish malt du tie5.....1(1•A 41 it I'll 14 time, and or-
dered to be read a second time on Tuesday, April 3.
Lord iILION gave notice, that nu Tuesday, April
10, lie should sauce for the 1 epeal of tile duty oil futeign
wool.
Romani CATHOLIC CLatsts.--Sir J. NEWPORT
moved, that the house go into a committee on the Roman
Canaille disability removal hills. lie gave nonce that iii
the event of the bill proceeding, lie should lit reaper move
fur their consolidainm. it was the intention of his tight
lion. friend Oll.Piiiiikett) to consolidate the Iwo mea-
sures, ill 1.114 e they !proceeded to a Certain stage.
The CHANCELLOR of the Lil.l LQUF.Ie observed,
that for such cousulitlat tun there lutist be .111 Instivetiou to
the conitnit lee.
Mr. C. flu I'CIIINSON still hoped that the bill might
be s I amended a- loaneet the %isms of the 110111411 Cillllollet,
while it l ontributed to the PrOICS1:1 In,. security.
'lac question wets than put, and the house resolved into a
committee on the fit. t
The VI/11111111 lee then pioceeded to consider the second
clause of ate —proposim, the repeal of the dreier:ono'
111111 the oath regal-meg trausubstantiation, the ssurship of the
saint., and the sacrifice of the muss.
After swine conversation bet% t.eit Mr. Peel and Sir J.
Newputt,its to the Meaning of Write particuiur ex knessaci in
the clause,
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said, lie must oppose this clause
alto.et her.
Mi. R. MARTIN said, that the Wilmot Catholics did not
1/1.1 1 -VII in the divinity of the V 141.111 .Nary, oe Of attic of the
Saints; and that the Roman i./111 110i1C4 weer intake el,
as lie was in the 11111115 of sceiti.... Protestants intermarry lit
with Canton: said living in concord. As fur as 1;1 1 1/1 4.41111 Ce
was emicerned, that religoou 11$ 1111 what it had been.
Mier 110111 n I'S Ilinll/1111.1,1 itel ..011 the Chancellor of the
I..l%tliellllCr 4.1111 Sir 41:1111eb N1111;k11114/411, Its 4,/ the coustructitni
of the (lutist.,
Mr BAN AES strongly opposed it, and moved no amend-
meet, 11.11, should tt tie tont:a-able to pit-s the bills, the
Roman Catholics entering millet 1 house Of Pali:illicit( should
be comps fled to take the 144411 b to %Writ other inetaucts
%ore subjected.
Mr. CAN N ING sfronAly simported the clause. conteuding
that the amended fortes gave that security which, in his
800111 satiety the most scrupulous Pi utestants.--
Toe right 41011. hat' d that 110 13:111...ef Si as to
be apereliended from nth/will:, Catholics to sit in Patties
;neut. The ri,;lit bum gent. utso ur,iied that the oaths now
proposed were suilieirsit to give security to the Protestant
establislimetit. Ne coatvaided 11)40 that the arguments und
declarations .if Doctors Nlilut.r anti Hayes, that tlii• 1111NOUre
was 1101 acceptable 10 the Cationies, was sufficiently all-
4441`frli b) the declaration of tile tour peers, otiose petition
118 4/3 1.40111.'1i 11 few ui4iuls ago. %Vint respect to the pre-
anteinlawiit the gnu. inenalier who inoved ,t, and the
right lion. gent. is no,nipported it, perleaus recollected, that
a former bill liiid ht en till 0e si out mato this clause.-11e
tilisted that would not be the cap.'', whatever might be the
fate of the amendment ; he hoped the Bill would be pro-
ceeded W.
Mr. Bit MUT was decidedly agaitwt the bill; if these
were 111 be 40:01 lea 11/ tar Calinnses, be sac
11111111.,4 to present Ilse fitly, oi. the Winne limn becoming a
Cat huhu'.
Sir Thomas Ackland and Sir F. Blake, were in favour of
the
Mr. GRATTAN, in a maiden speech SllllllOllOl the claims
of the Catholics.
Mr.'!'. IA I LSON supported the sitnendwent.
The.gallery was then cleated tUr a 41411.10 n. Fur the
amendment 21f—rot lac ci.oae 223.—Major.ty 12.
Alt'. PELL then stoted his intentioo to "nowise that
Cal:lolics should he esclu.led flout the privy council, and
Loin the bench its Irehted.
.sir 601.1SOURN shed he should propose to extend the
exclusions 114 governors of eolouirs.
late Mara, then a esained, aid tire committee was ordered
to sal ilit• swat day.
'flue other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house Ititi./Urin.ll.

TULADA Y, MARCH 27.
The report of lilr *Oen c...... on the NeWilletell
Sei. Et birmist Hal t.,14.41 Ih,il hUr M .11:111,g ordets had Mee,'
with oi &Tett In in• eu,t.mlUr.i.
.u.. I$l.N A pentium Iron 11r. flor,cf..ll
Aptilis,l Ihe lll_hg.tle And 'twisty leisil amid
A prlilu+o mg, ptrta•uh•d llama MAlltiicslur against the
Culhol.e R• 11

„..........
Mr. RIC II DO presented a petition ti.sin persons enmmed
In tit Pl,il ity Trudr, mild \lr. P. Grant ode loom lite pro-
prit•tur of Solt 111111‘11,1V1.111. at Leith, pta)ing ,nt all niter
talon to WC lilllbl.l dlllll.a. head untl utsillCLl to Ila! 1.0 all'
t. 11314•,
J.! FFI N olc.ersed, where the pnntitlaints of tht•
the %hop owuels UII tltl••UUlet't Mete completely
dem•t~r.—
lt onhtel have been better uad the 'hips latch ourist tuatead

of being engaged in thus Crude. Canada Was prolitteas to iss
It would have heen `oNill. ito us. It nuuld be to the
intuit...l u 1 I:113 eoissorr, us I'm as pt alit WILY COllCeluetl, if
Canada %ere falai 11111U1111 of the sea. •
lanai Al asetAt. lr CO•NCERY.—Dr. LUSIIINGTON
moved for leave to bring ton bill II) disqualify the Lord
Chancellor, Nlaster of the !wets.. judge,, and four
mailers iii chancery, II elancl.-11' nen the recent twition
(r, too:toil 11r. ELI,.) .v.is 1).1-ore tho boob ,it b cooed to be
the gelasi that re should be same prospective
measure—and he therefore made the pr..sent motion.—
Alutiou
LUST lIN uroN then moved for leave to bring in a
bill to facilitate the exausioation of a ituesses w foreign
pin ts.—A:.reed to.
CORRUPT lioitourms.—Lord J. RUSSELL said, he
thou,,lit he should out In able to (mil.: forward his bills to
disfranchise certain corrupt b.rroir.,ns till after Ester.
Mr. C. 61t AN f pr, seined a petition (tutu !overact,'
against the law mail tln. it%
CATHOLIC BlLLs.—Sir J. NEWPORT moved the order
of the day for going into a committee un the Roman Catholic
[Es:diddles •IC•inoval Rill be read.

Sir J. N E rola taco muvr,l, that it be an instruction
to tile commitice to take unto, roa•ul: rai ion the adoption of
toe IHi to regulate the mall:01114e of penal's in holy orders
with Sc•u of Rom..

Mr. C. HUTCHINSON expressed his disapprobation
of the rerun I hill. The Inure lie considered the toter-
course bid, vac more in,l v. i ili.sate.fied with it ; for he
way persuaded that the sirt-laey of the Roman Cal hulls
church would not agree to soieli a measure. They disap-
proved of the de of regillaliag the intercourse whirls
had been SllggChiell. He believed that the Catholic clergy
of England were also against such second bill. When
the bill came Under the inure immediate consideration of
the home, he should then go into more minute details.
Sir 0. HILL was burry that the intelligence now given
especiing the Catholic clergy's hostility to the second
bill had rut licen given to the house ten days ago, for then
the house might have heels saved much notable. The
house had uow agreed to the moat important parts of lb.
bills. He trit til4t it %WOW nut lerjst.ite with effect ex-
cept they could catty along with them the Catholic ap-
probation. alone ;•resented any chalice of cond.

Sir J. NEWPORT continued the accuracy of Mr.
Hutchinson'. statement. •
The house alien went into a committee on the bill.

The C 11411111411 read clLuae 7, M trick exempted the Lori
Chatteeitur, ace.

Mr. PEEL, pursuant to notice, rose to propose his
amendment to extend the exemption to Privy Councillors
and judicial offices. He admitted that the success of last
night ,444 mast important; and that withoirt it the Wes-
e, if earned at all, would not be satisfactory to the
Catholics. Two branches of the legislature—the lords
and co tttttt ons were now open to the Catholics; the pre.
testantisin of the tint.] was retained iiiviulate. Then the
consideration of the proposition whirls lie had now to
submit, fairly came beto•e the committee. The third
branch tieing thus exempted, he was to consider what
was meant by the law, which so carefully guarded against
4 popish king and a government, It also said, that the
king should but have popish advisers, and should forfeit
his throne if he married a popish Catholic wife. The
advisers of the sovereign %vela responsible for the advice
they gave, and how Lieu could lie put any other hoed g
on what was IlleaUt %/litre all asigenicuts were made by
the but of lights to secure sue prulestani•m of the go-
vernment of the country ? Lt his opinion Hartle would
be less danger hum a popish king with Protestant ad-
visers, than front a PlUlet44ll( king w ills popish advisers.
(Cheers.) The right hon. gent. coticluded with proposing
an amendment to the effect that the Mike of Privy Coun-
cillor us Judge should not be open to the Rotuma Catholics.
Sir J. NEWPORT strongly supported the original
clause, contending 1114 t tic danger, no confusion was to he
apprshended front removing the disqualinea twos for such
offices, and inquiring what calamity 'resulted (ruin there
being in ffiis COll4ll, a Catholic ambassador 11441 Pro-
. lemma Denmark, or a Piotestaist ambassador trout Ca-
tholic. Bavat u.

Sir J. NIL:MOLL supported the amendment.
Lord C-VsTLIAILAGH was for allowing the largest
induegeneies to the RUIII4II Catholics it any disiptalitica-
tions were to lie but he at the same time hoped
that the Catholics would gratefully rreeive whatever de-
ei3iosis the parliament might come to.

After some explanations,
111 r. WETHERELL expressed himself I'avourable le
the arsons iils and propusitions uf Mr. Pei I.
Sir J. NIACIN dOsli strongly opposed the proposed
I esti iction. 11 Ili respect to l.ii y e Uhurs, lie cou-
t.•udcd that the power of the &lug to restrain aa•l coutroul
'hem would p. event all danger. As to the Judges, lie
olisei veil, there had Oren rigid dissenting judges, and
great evils wound arise twin closing the toad to prefer.
meta against the nivitouet sof ri speciatile Irish families who
were educated to the bar. Su also Willi I egard to the
governors ut colonies. It should be recollected that the
house lied already opened the highest posts in the minty
and navy to the Catholics, who were therefore liable to be
placed iu that situation on vat tuns UCCA,•IOIII4.
gallery was then cleared fora division.—For en.
eln•tun, I ti9—Against it, I DS—Majority against M r. PeeTt
proposition, 19.
Oil idle r-admission we found Mr. Guidlnirn urging
his clause for Inc exeliistuu of Cathodes tro ill lilt Ake of
guv emu's ut confides, int the ground id the lincontrouled
winter I.ussii.vi It ny 11101,P uthcers, not only ill ciml, but in
ecclesiastical nuli.1111•111bei concluded by
moving :ill amendment, excluding Gilliolll/1111'0111 the situ-
ation of guvernois townies. Lion' this proposition the
Cullllllll ire divided—Fur the atutlitlateitt, 180—Against it,
161-11 aim Ity 4gilu.l exellision, 13.
dtbetl4llll.',ll I kelll,llllg Catholics from holding the
other of mid halo clianectior of Ireland was :weed le
wolsout a dorisoni.
Souse c.n.vets•tion took place bAween Mr. 111'101618one
Sit J. Ni!W Lit d awl as Ii) au
adjuulumeul,vvhtll it wa.. agt tell 41181 the C11.111111,4115110111d
repot 1.1.1/141TPN.111.‘ Ask le,.vc to 81t again itomuliti.v.l4X•
the repot uu the 101104 tug day, and tile thud ',ratting too
Alminay.
Adjourned at a quarter brittle one.
WL.IhNESDAY, MARCH 28.

Alt. S. WWI i LEY mused fur a select committee to
inquire nllu use stale the lass, iegaialiiag the stnonviNg
of woollen cholsp.—Agreed to, and Cusilmitire shamed.
Air. L. brIA,K braisgait in a ball to gave affect to inden-
tures ul apiateanieeshie, sigued by ctiuscuv.iiidrus, bsc.—
Wad a first tune.

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II

The Spoiled Stamps bill was re-committed.
The funk ee pers. Allowance bill went through a COM.
mittee. Repast to mot row.
Mr. LUslllbiti I.ON moved the commitment of the
bill—and Mr. Brogden, the chairman of the committee,
Nut beteg plesesmi, Mr. laishitigton took the ch.•.lr, •aud
rend his own mutton fur the consideration of the bill in
catmint lee.
The Ale and Beer Ditties hill was read a third time and
passed.
Mr. P. GRENFELL made his promised motion respect-
ing the purchase of silver by the Mint—particularly as fur
as regarded the purchase of silver by the Mint from the
Bank at a price beyond the market value. lie paid some
compliments to the ~ay in wlrtrim the sMI% er coinages were
conducted by the idiot, and condoled with musing fur
accounts of purchase. of silver, the pasties, ece.
The CIiANCELLOR of the I.XCHEOULII moved
that the house resolve tutu a committee on the Batik Cash
Payments bill.
Mr. P. OitENFELL hail no objection to the motion,
but lie aas anxious to do justice to the directors of the
Bank ol Ireland. It had been stated, that they wcm e in-
terested in preventing the resllllllollll of cash payments,
and that they would lint discount for those who were eu-
gaged in importing cold ; but lie was happy to stale, that
slope was out the least foundation fur these statements.
They continued their discounts—l'm thm t, they illertll,Cll
their paps r notes tu iiit et the dm:Et:ail:is, I esulmiug
the (adore of some voiiiitiy batiks.
&Ir. PEEL said, lie w.i. happy to hear what had fallen
from the 11011. inembet (Mt. G.) Lnuisiii, tehat importance
was attached to the hon. From his
official knowledge, he knew that the Itish Bank had acted
most liberally ; and let it be remenibesed, that suet' com-
pany had the whole management of die Irish debt; tor
which no charge •a hulev4 r was made to the public.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD obsessed, that the greatest
praise was due to the general r °millet of the Irish Batik ;
but for the liberality of that company, the g,eate,t dis-
tress must have resulted from the failisre of certain banks.
Mr. RICA RDO (nisei veil, that the Irish Bank had hem)
peculiarly circumstanced : and in the moment a di•t►ess,
they behaved with gust energy—with more energy, lie
believed, than wimmild hate eliaractesised the Batik of
England tinder similar eticunistances. They load increased
their circulation upwards ufso per cent. and would have
increased their issues atilt more could they have found
security. As to the management of the debt of Ireland
by the batik of that Cotintry, it was Complimentary to the
bank that it was done on such terms, essms ci.silv when they
remembered what the Baulk of Esigland received fur the
management of the debt.
Yir J. NEWPORT sm;gestral whether it weis:d nut be
adviseable to ;Ojos', tint• debate, to make way for that
bushiers whie•h had been adjoin tied last night, on the
understanding that it should come on Carly He
therefore moved that the debate be adjusts nen till to-
■rorrow. Agreed to.
Several other ot tiers were tt,en pnstp•roed.
CaTitui.te BlLLi.—Sir J. NEWPORT then moved that
the house resolve into a committee. on the Catholic Dia,
abilities Removal

Ali. C. HU ICI ll ON ruse, pursuant to his promise,
to call the intention of the house to the proposed second
bi 11. lie di.l not warn to atter the temper in which these
debates had been conducted, though lie hail been assured
by anonymous and other cinies,iunilehts, thet by the
course which he was about to ;mastic he slioniti very ma-
terially injure the great cause of die Roman Catholics.
He had no such wish; his Catholic countrymen must
know, that in itiontutitig the interests of the empire. be
had never neglected their cause. Ile denied that securi-
ties were requisite; they would not be productive of ad-
vantage, or promote concord. He then proceeded to
argon- agaiu-t the clauses to I . golaie the intercourse of
prisons in holy °ideas with the see of [tone. The outline
of the Mimesis of the English and itie Irish Catholics were
not t.9:delly the sank. 110 declared that the Irish Catholic
clergymen were a ilio•t useful and respeetairle body—it
most injudicious to pars 11111.11 resttaining clauses
tregat timg them. It was degrading them in the eyes of
their our tlurka. Was that judicious? He knew not
him such VhillSt, could get into this bill. The clergy of
the Catholics w. le a must important body ; besides the
hum( 'ohs plirsa, there wile four archbishops, and 2ti
bishops. What hope ut a happy result could be antici-
palrd room degrading a body in the eyes of then
Murk, and that, lie maim:lined, was the etr'et of the
clauses He denied ghat the Jesuits were established in
England ou I; eland; ihiy %CI e uureiy permitted fur the
instroction of youth.
The above observations created considerable coot ersa.
thou, in %bleb Lurd Castlelleat:li, Dr. Philluunre, 31:. 31.
Fitzgerald, 11l
--r. 1! Sii Gem ge Hill, Mr. lt. Nlartiii,
&e. took part ; but 11,0 111111101.11 Mil, slit Wet)
of amendment. 'I. lie house thesauri* eventually went into
the committee. to ruustder tire tetuatuing clauses or tile
consolidated hill.

Several of Ilse clanger of th'. Lill were agreed to with-
out amendment, and Wheat' rut.nteutialty atlopteu, with
some vet hal alt, rations.

In the clause rimitis ing a previous residence acme yea'
in Ireimid, to pliant') a triest to t.,ke on himself the eet he-
stasticai lithrirmis, au amendment teat inured to make it
three ya.us, ttnn•h n as adopted.
On the elathw rt t..tivc In the nomination of bishops,
Lind CAITLEItEM:Ii proposed, that a huttee of °tie
month Nitould be gl\ell to the Sects Idly of Mate, by lite
pet•uu intended to ur numit.aied, ut hn intrudeduuuuua-
t'on, and 14.4 hr s6..uid uw II:III:1St hie lUlieliOnt, till a
n,••nth at RI 1.0311111., .

This ameomu.sii, inter some drimitory coombation,
was oduried.

The other clan'es %tele a grtell to; and
Mr. ELLIS, theta; to he contodered this bill, as far a..
it M.lB CUllNit:esci as A protection 10
14.100, ax a 5u1,4,1 humbug, politica, at, ass assnitsitatent, ass
additional cl,,ts , at:tutting Calbulic Fiesta 111 W beat* in
liantent.
Alter ',ow cot: veisation the clause was adopted.
The lonise I'e:oohed, road lite tristort WIS us di teal to be
reeeteell to-mut t.‘‘

The other wv re disposed of, and the boo.,
adjuurnsed at tot It.. Wei, k.

'1111: It 511 A T. MARCH 29.
Petitions fr.'m 31ili Owncrsw A.alute. X and Norf,.ll:, :
for the lam:maim] of a small duty on the importation of
were press '•
Mr. MEN lost vontd hi, motion respecting the A,ri
cultural lloree Tax till Apra. 5.
31r. lit/1i HOUSE prc,cn.a t a petition from ,i7lt)
• mplaiumg of the bj.u,; ti ei ...wt.:tined by the urtrutit.c.tun ut

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