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would; for be could not for a enninent admit the !IMO
Elude for the learned judo, who had presided at that trial,
that he, to prevent a erode of time, bed not buffered those
questions to be gums into. They nl i ~,, nk the character
of the people of England, if tney thought that they did
not Gel the injury *inch they Oro buffered, beettwe
they did out loudly eripresa liscir deep beioe of ii.—
The leas they said reolding it, the wore they felt.—
Some people thought that enough lied heel' said upon this
unfortunate affair, and that it ouch' now to be forgotten
altogether. If it could have been lm gotten from the first,
he should have been happy ; but it could not be forgotten
—for the government tied revived the memory of it for
their own purposes. They had proseeuted his honourable
friend; and when various opportunities had oecurred of
citing that prosecution sleep, thcb hail persevered
through all its stages, even 0 gli one of the Judges had
declared that the trial had taker piece iu a county where
the Court had no jurisdiction. lime lion. member cow'
eluded by stating, that the country, if the house steadily
✓efused all inquiry, would be conviuced that it wes play•
log ilie game of those who wished to degrade sad destroy
it.—(Cries of hear.)
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL denied the proceedings
at Manchester had taken place under time authority id`
governments—they knew nothidg of them till they, were

over.

Mr. PHILIPS (of Manchester), after an euloginnt on
the character of the Rev. Ms. Stanley, read a letter from
him, relating to the events of the 16th of August, and to •
tier( he had given of them. It was decidedly Mr.
Stanley's opinion, that the was rants might have been exe-
cuted without the aid of the military : he also spoke its lois
narrative most decisively as to the ill treatment Mr. Hunt
had received, and to the cruelly of the military to the
mob. Upon the whole view of the case, witlsunt emeriti/
score at large into it at this late hour, be thought the nio-
lion of the hon, bort. highly expedient.
Wisest the hon. gent. resumed his seat, the cries of
question became general.
Sir R. WILSON moved that, this debate be adjourned
till tomorrow. (No, no—question—adjourn.)
The SPEAKER put the question, that the debate be
adjourned till to morrow.
rim CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made a
single remark, not audible in the confusion (of the house ;
after which the motion for an adjournment of the debate
was carried without • division.
The other orders of the day were then gone throogli ;
afterwards, the honse adjourned at three o'clock.
WIMICISDAY, way 16.

SsLiCT VilweaV.—Mr. Denison mod Sir R.
Wilson both presented the selves at the same time to the
Citric, holding up petitions to their bands; and at the state
time Mr. H. Sumner was on his legs, on the subject of the
Newington Select Vestry 11.11.
The SPE A KER appealed to the house for protection.—
He could only take the names of the members as they ap-
peared ou the paper.
Mr. 11. SHUN ER continued no his legs.—("Goon.go on")
He said he now applied fur the third time. Duriug their
last stunts' the committee had assembled for eight days, hut
they bad dune nuthiog. He row feared that the remainder
of the session would not afford time fur the discussiou of the
bill ; and he threfore deemed it right to meutiuu that there
were instances where committees bad bee., discharged. He
did nut know of any case where such a bill had been com-
mitted to the whole house—hat be bad Ron to suggest the
propriety of the appointment of a new committee—(lle:lr,
hear),—or of rommittiug the bill to the whole house. It
would be recollected tow the conducting of a bill before
the house was expensive; those espences had been incurred
duriug eight days, when nothing had been done. His Ent
motion therefore, would be that the commatee be disc busied.
Mr. D.mison rose before the motion bad been put.
The SPEAKER—Do you second the emotion?
Mr. DENISON .—Certaiuly out. The question haying
been put. Mr. D. said, that his boo. colleague was so aces',-
touted to majorities, that whenever he happened to he out-
voted, be immediately came Ili the house with his comploints
on the subject.—(Cheers and Inughter.)—The hon. unetals• r
theu went into a Mowry of some ot the meetings at Newing-
ton, observiug, that one of them ee,thiply was rather outs).
A. to the support which the boll received from the parish,
that the rental amounted to 84.0001. of those opposing it;
53011. was the amount of the rental of the bili's supporter's
nod that diminished amount desired to have for lire, and
without cnotrol, the management of rotas DWI watch 30,0001.
and the Klog's tales V 5,0001. Here then was Ilse principle
of taxation without representation. As to the bill its pria•
ciple ails unjust and unconstitutional ; nod lie should avail
himself of every opportunity that prevented itself to op-
pose it.
Mr. BY NG expressed the tilVnion that the committee on
the bill ought to he revived. As in the proceeding iu the
late cuttunittee. he wits appoinue an amendment, when the
chairman immediately appottited him a teller.
Mr. A Id. WOOD said, lie mused the aitiournmeat to get
rid of the business for that day, but a ith DU Vies.' sit getting
rid oh the committee. He submitted. that whether the mere
wive, thins of the chairman *etc to be taken, without proofs
and without minutest :-.11 whether the hou,a, could without
any regain; to its inembeis and character. agree to censure
the late committee, by appointing any select committee.
Mr. M A BEItLY opposed the 'notion, There had been
delay and coufwaost, hut the confuse 0000 was mainly occasioned
by the hon. chairman. Instead of sittiug still and heoriug
the questions undo titer members, the chairtitra ocenine a
delister on all pima*. Hence a,use most of the confuiion.
Mr. G. B hi% N WIT said tee bill mar a jib. n rank job;
it was tote bun. ateusber's job I and he would call it matting
else but a job. It was euileastiond to matte it a pat..
quest oast, to carry that by majna tams here winch was suit.
of defeat above stairs. The him. member might pa. tinily
succeed for the present but he hoped they should have the
opportunity in flu thiamin day of telling the hon. member
eiseabeie a hat was really their seine of their übligatious to
him. (Hear, hear.)
Sir IL N ILSON moved an adjournment.
The gallery wits then cleared tor a division. The numbers
were, for the adjourtimetit 74—against It 69.
Load J. Rllbir.LL present d a petition from Weston
Hatfield, or Cambridge, printer, pi io ii. fur the repeal ul
the lan offering libel. iu newtp.iptrs, us comaitied iu ch.
87th of the 60th ut the lie King.
Mr. SBA W moved fur a select committee to enquire into
the propriety of tepealiug the a itulow las, so far as the same
regarded Ireland.
The bluiquis of LONDONDERRY spoke against the
motion;
.alter which it ars negatived a ithout /I division.
bil•aesilltsTsta liwilaistt— The order of the day hit%ing
been read tor the resuming of the adjoined di bate on Sir
W. Burdett's motion,

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Sir IL WILSON roe, and spoke warmly in its siapporloia.
He inainiaiued that 11w Manchester rairetiug one • legal
one t that nothing occurred to warrant so whitest • dimmers
Sion I sod that thi-y might to weeping the modem for ~pity s
of they acre desirous the p. °plc should have coulidelice is
the limier.
Sir W. I)E CRESPIGN Y aepporied the motion.
Mr. P. GRENFELL mid, that his ;;;; ion* remained
what they were whets he supported t► Oa arta, sad he thaw
fore could not give support to the moittots.
Mr. B ERN A L. spoke in favour of the motion, maintaining
that enquiry wee due to the people.
Mr.M.TWISS coasiended that nu further etiquiry was
ii.A.cesary. Legal ism notation had t..kee plare &already, a
rand ;tory had ilectded on the qttestion, a pony jury had
delivered a verdict on it, rod here it ought to rest.
Mr. HOBIIOUS F. supported the mimeo, nod contended
that it appealed from all the account■ of this weifortmanto
do). that the yeomanry were nut ult .cked until they had
Mot assaulted the people. Time boa. washer adverted to the
imsrepreseiltishons whick had gene abroad on the eathjeCt ur
the ineetini of the lath of Augnat-11/ to the reindict of the
people—their befog armed. Ike. riled I. the stateuseem made
by a noble lord, one of the ministers, that rota siagle life
had been but fa the course of that safor.osate day, whilst
he held a catalogue of killed and wounded in his hand Cline
several pages. He also areaway coadeureed songsters for thew
letter of thank% to the yevaiatery, awl commended that enipiry
ought and must be greeted, or the people woadd cut be
sat haled.
Tile Marquis of LONDONDERRY catered at great
length into a justifiJation of the expluits of the pith of
Anginal. and redacted on the isaulives which proingue dikes
peseta motion t he stated that he did net feel hinhielf
pledged to the truth of the statement he had made its the
brume on a former occasion—he rebored be could not
think of the events of that day without his heart bloodies
—his lordship sat devils amidst the boi.teruim cheeriogi of
the miaisteritilists.
Mr. SCARLETT said he had no doubt that the noble
lord's speech wu well calculated for its purpose (cheers),
load be bad no doubt het it would have its isapressiew.—,
It was a speech much more of the nature of magic than of
reason. (Loud cheers.) If it had not reason u it, it
had something . (Cheers.) And Isis lordship seem.
ed to be the greatest theinderer in the bourse.—(Lewd end
repealed cheers.) If the noble lord tomb' wot think of
the transaction without feeling his heart bleeding. could
he not conceive any motive for this Egotism lest what was
mean. base, and inconsistent with hamar*, t—(Hear.)....
Might he (Mr. Seinen) Dot ask why those who brought
it faraard might not be supposed to feel their heart bleed
too, at the injuries and salferinp of that day. and feel
the tenderest humanity as their motive?—(Cheers.) Ha
thought that the circumstances which made the heart
bleed—an immense assemblage, who had committed no
outrage, dispersed is a manner so cruel, trampled en,
wounded and some destroyed—might be brought before
• British House of Conuaous from a feeling concern foe
one fellow subjects, mad without any diakonale* to ezeite
tumult.—(Load and repeated cheers.) The marble lord's
manner indicated the triumph he anticipated; his evade
deuce bed ariseu from his knowledge of the resell. TIM
learned gentleman here took a review of the horrid bravo-
actions of Peterloo, and concluded by saying, that ho
should indeed Rauh ill of the people of England, he should
indeed consider them unworthy of the liberty which they
enjoyed, if • short year sad a half maid make diem foes
get those wrongs which, according to the hook lord,
made the heart of those who lad had only read Weis
bleed to the inmost eore.---(Load alumnae.)
The A'ITORN EY GENEBAL reprobated the
nation of • question which had subsided. and contended
that the imminent dangers of the country at that imseasead,
justified the vielences at Manchester.
Sir F. BURDh IV was then generally called epee to re-
ply. He began by observing upon the pertinacious negoiewity
with which the other side hail coassiired to abet their
eyes to the real question at Woe. The speech of the welts
bird had been poising more nor less thus an &cessation of
toe people of England; yit the point he had endeavoured to
establish was, that the ponies in this proceeding were bused
at Mianclientr, and the military that had ~Ilea epos them.
• to truth, however, the qwestiou was between the people of
England, and the ministry or governments it was the pee.
pie of England who demanded enquiry, and the government
who resisted it. The real trams* to which the welds fold
had alluded was the 1111111111/1111an t vowed w isle of the wedllll
to reform the parliament; and it was because the siterefallie
at Massehester and others all over the canary at that times
had this great and laudable object au view, that it had excited
the terror* of some and the atiiinoaity and handily of oilienx
Ministers were deeply implicated in this methappy tresselle
lion as yet u. wing but garbled 'meowing had bee*
nithed by them; ~std if it were true, as the King had
ciously told the cameo, of Lmtdon, that they could
nothing of what had privileged, pawed between his .ormoolle
and the magistrates, it au. beemaue all fall mid eatiductory
loforniattou bi 1‘ reilPA.ll, instim thins given to the
ma,endrieles, and upon ant, h they acted, were cautiously
Hear, hear.) —Wile re.ard to the lateness of
period at which she motion woes brought forward, be pee.
hap' might he to blame, but still titan enough had only elem.
sod t s strip the subject of all the false caluoring that wall
attempted to he ?tyro to it—of all the iliVeliii./lb stud tabs la
eat awls with a hick truth hail hren smothered, and of all the
grow eitaggeratione of the noble load aim litilerS. and the
which that noble tort had mat thought it neeeooary to apes
The hon. host. aro' on to contend that 11.1 e verdict
at York did mot and could not deter tttttt e the polio sit law as
to 'hi legality of tale iiaretim; I the sal jites of a Inch Wall to
'ohm 11114.1 hatred 1111. i runt. mph toe 40Yerillarlii w by law
eetatilielied. For that Wiener Mr. Hunt had been sentenced
Ina puntshateut more Itlllll commensurate to ter cluer4ek if
they had every one of thefts been proved. 'foe Aintree,
General, as Olen uotielly did when under the inamoce of
vainest paiuton, had recommended him (44 F. Bunsen) la
be cool i he did oat ksiow that he Lad betrayed Huy great
degree of twat dosing the delhate I but if lie had dune en, be
should have thought it ~ml ese weatile an a pc Isom of 11.44
kind, VII re the very Islverliee of the count... is ere at stake.
Afire cooing some ridicule upon the Atahavits produces by
liar Imiamciai.hle smasher test paver, the hotonsiable leasesewt
proceeded to make ill reins. k or two out a hot bad fallen Gum
another honourable miontier (Mr. V 1 ilissoi,) a be, he suid
Wile fair eatetadeal justice but testritie.i euqu O. The mode
lord (LondimArroy ) hod used one e%pretioini toot war swoon
little remarkable I he had said that hr email rely upon the
prem..); toiotruclion of the Mouse of 11111 l 114.n14 Oka
lie was conciara al that the people were in ou way hostile
In their in•lttutioto.; hut teeny iVa'S (Walled
to the constitution. and to all thobe rights whirls the ems.
(Per ce rtif. natio., see pace IhS.