The National Register.
London, England, 1819-05-23 00:00:00

SUNDAY, MAY, Ra 1819•

IRights, on the part of the Catholics, and that justice
has surely been too often recognized to be now den.ed,
then it may be safely urged that the term coacessiele is at
least as inappropriate on one hand. as emancipation can
be on the other. Whatever right is withheld, is,
pro iatt o, aultiugation, but the restdiatim of Right is nd
emaseessf' she vreoritieb "mita were
once talked of, are now no longer mentioned. Upon
this point we are happy to assert that alarms are
entirely groundless. Securities are neither forgotten by
1 the advocates of Catholic Claims among Protestants, nor
are they refused by Catholics themselves. Every secu-
rity than can be either framed ordeinanded, as connected
with civil allegiance, the Catholic is quite ready to give.
Even the Veto itself, though necessarily in souse cases
connected with their spiritual concerns, the great body
of the Catholics would not have refused, and the Pope,
without hesitation, expressed his perfect readiness tome-
tion such an arrangement. Dr. Mailer, though one of the
original proposers of that measure did indeed afterwards
succeed but too well in exciting that sort of clamour
to which Protestants themselves are no strangers, of their
Church king in danger, and prevailed with a few indivi-
duals, calling themselves the Catholic Board, to delegate
a person, not unlike himself, named Ilayes, to remon-
strate with the See of Rome upon the conciliatory ten-
dency of its conduct—and let us observe the issue
of this mission—Hayes was forcibly banished from the
Papal States for the tnischievions office he had under-
taken, and the Pope immediately addressed a letter to
those who hail sent him, beginning with these words
—" With what pain do we find it expressly declared in
your letter that the expedient for satisfying the goVern-
ment of the loyalty of those to br elected Bishops, did not
only not meet your approbation, but appeared to threaten
destruction to the Catholic religion of Iceland. It islounded
on a principle laid down by one of our most 'Bust:lions pre-
decessors, St. Leo the Great, that atone be ordained
Bishop without the consent and postulation of the flock,
lest an unwelcome intruder incur its contempt and
hatred. Now this principle, altholigh literally applica-
ble to the people only, must rightfully be extended to
Princes also, even to those who are not it, communion
with us, who, from the very nature of their power in
temporal affairs have so easily the means of preventing a
Bithap, seal may to the dita of their ditlike or suspicion,
from the care of the flock committed to his charge."
And he concludes in the following words of feeling,
gratitude and respect to this country, both for its general
course of liberality toward. the Catholics, arid particu-
larly for its services towards himself. " Remember
that the Government which you are accusing of designs ,
hostile to our faith, is the same, which by laws, and
especially those of t 773, 1788, and 1793 repealed a
great part of those penal statutes by which you were
grievimisly oppressed : remember how George 111. and
his illustrious Son have extended their protection to
Catholics, and that the British Government was among
the chief of our supporters in procuring our return to'
the Pontifical Chair, and our restoration to our
ancient independence in the exercise of those spiritual
rights which the hand of violence had wrested from us."
Such was the language and such the sentiments of a
power, whose doctrine and discipline we are nevertheless
now to he toll arc just as intolerant 55 alley were in the
days of ('rancher, and Ridley, and Latimer, and Bonner.
But the plain history of the Veto is, that a more mature
consideration of the sub; set has led all our ablest States-
men to view it as a thing not worth demanding on cur
part, and an agree with one mind that the whole ques-
tion is one not of rehg,...us br.: purely of civil policy. But

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let us just consider this question of securities in another
vie.v. One of the best and noblest maxims of British in-
dependence is, that every mall be held intiocent till lie is
proved guilty! Now in what has the Doke.of Norfolk.
or Lord Pere, or Sir G. Jerningham offended, that they
are to he hotted uses to keep the peace Wore they ems
be admitted to.thecomsoon privilege of thteonstitutiets
ler which they live, and in the support and protection
of which they hold sn valuable a stake? In what has
the %hole body of Catholics offended to merit the ex-
clusions to which they are exposed? Do we talk of
securities to the Presbyterians, to the followers of Wesley
or of Whitfield, did we demand them ever from the mad
and deluded followers of Johanna Southcote? Ao4l yet
are these, or any of them, more friendly to Protestant
ascendancy than Members of the Church of Rome. No,
and if any of them were asked whether their own pecu-
liar faith had not their first and dearest wishes for its
prevalence, must they not answer, " Yes Yet
who thinks of subjecting them to civil incapacities on
such grounds as these? In short, to legislate for thought
and conscience is a system of which experience has
abundantly shewn us both the inutility and folly. But
then" the Order of the Jesuits," says the Alarmist "Ike
Pope's lvst bulwark," has been re-established," and yet
in the very same sentence we are told that in 1773 the
Pope himself suppressed it; and o hy, " for their
mischievous interference in temporal concerns." This
objection might assuredly be safely left to its own answer,
but we will further inform this trembling Alarmist, that
considerable numbers of these very Jesuits have fot years
and years been living in this country without any detri-
ment either to its cis il policy or its religion, that the
Catholic youth of England have been very generally
educated under their care, that the establishment
Stonyhurst, an establishment under the immediate
patronage and protection of Goiertimetit, is chiefly, if
we are correctly informed, in their hands, and that it is
therefore now too late to begin to hold up these " inde-
fatigable Papagantlists" as objects of terror and dismay-
Again, we are told that 4000 souls have within a few
years been added to the Romish faith ; where this won-
derful scene of conversion to Popery has occurred, ue
arc not informed ; but if it embraces the whole scope of
Europe it is hardly as a grain of sand in the Wane..
and even if it he intended for our own Empire it is but
as WOO to five millions and totally inadequate even to
the increase of the population. But can it be for-
gotten that persecution is of itself not only the firmest
bond of union, but the strongest instrument of conver-
sion also, and that the maxim of Sariguis Mai-tyro". sirens
Ecclesica, is coetal with Christianity itself? But
as the last asserted fact which we shall nosier.
the Pope is an enemy le Bilk .Sorielirs, and therefore
the Catholics should not be admitted to their civil
rights. How many of the high and mined I)i6.
nitaries of the Church cf England are eitentiis to
to Bible Societies likewise ? How many more of those
who ate loud in cryitig the watch-word of Protestant
ascendancy? Bin granting even that it is so, has his
Holiness prevented the limitation of these Societies,
either iu France or Holland ? I lave not the monarchs
of both these Catholic coon:siesta.' only permitted their
establishment, but thenisels es become their patrons?
And are not smile of the leading Catholics in this coun-
try atnonest the swami and eager supporters of these be-
nevolent Institutions ? Whither can the zeal and blinds
mess of a new conversion carry us? In short, if there be
any impartial man who may do us the favour to read
these remarks, to hint we may safely appeal whether
such ohjvctions as have been scraped together, do not
sat oar of the last days of a falling control tray, and that
if such be the strongest arguments which can be al.
leged for continiiiiigupoit the necks of die Catholics the
yoke of their bootlace, wheiner every friend of justice,
and every lover of his country still not devoutly wish
and liras that sitch a stain may be soop wiped hum opt
coil policy. and that they may speedily be restored to
the fire enjovnrent of that inheritance which their fa.
Chess tiinglit and bled to eatrbl•sh, and itic I,l„,ing, of
whit-ut they have themseltes done teery thins II) ilesme.

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NON DAT. MAY 17.

CATltot.lc CLaitts..—The Earl of Doworatt.
.n•t Order of the Day Err tithing into eonsiderittion
cliche Claim-A. and alter a short speech, in which lie urged
111 • ("r"^: .K the Roman Catholia in the most strenuous manner,
sirm.st, " !hat this llou e do resolve itself into a Committee of
she whole Idiots, to cnnsideet the state or the laws (with a view
to re•Nulati)a) which refer to qualitestitm fur the etijsnment of
mil office, so far as relates to lioman Catholic sultirets. and
• Lether it would be expedient to allow or modify their claims
to teirticipstion in the privileges enjoyed by Protestant subjects."
The Iltshoo of ‘Voaccters:ti. disclaimed ill-will towards per-
sons who differed from hiau in forms of worship. He respenod
every man who offered up pc-Ayers to the author of his existenx
yet lie could not go the length of saying the Legislature ought to
give up to Cie Roman l'atholics resniction ncees..iry for the
safety of th•e Established Church. lie hell it to be a principle
ittlinitted in every !itntc, that those who het•l Vie notes in the
State should he of the established religion. lle could not 0011. ent
to grant the claims of the Boman Cutholies upon another ground.
la case t•tey obtained the object they men had in view, they
trould not be content, but
.igo on to obtain the establishment of
t.itir religion and the subversion of the Protestant Church.

The Hu lop of Noitwicir deprecated the attempts made In
excite alarm by crying the church wa, in danger. 'fbere could
he no danger to the church in granting civil rights to one fourth
his Majesty's anlijects. The chriwian church could never be
in danger while its Ministers acted upon the principle of Chris-
tianity ! While they said, do ..unto others even as you would have
othas do unto you. The church was not to be surported by Test
and Corporation Acts. Reason was every day gaining growl.:
said benevolence with respect to Sectarian principles. A remark-
able change had taken place in the minds of people within a tew
'errs past. In this ever changing scene ut human life reason
would ever prevail. Its dictates should be obeyed. We should
by a generous and wie policy abandon persecuting Statutes only
tit to bind demons.

The Bishop of PrT aBORCHUGH raid. if the question had been
one of toleration, he should willingly have ogre, tl to it. but it
was a question of pot cy. He cotdd readily admit, that men who
helieved in tmtkubstantiation, might bear ullegiance to his
Majesty King George ; but if at the some time they obeyed the
antinomy of a foreign Potentate, they could not bear the same
till...leaflets to the King that a Member of the Established Church
would bear. He trusted the decision of the Home that night
would remove all cause ter apprehension.
The Loan Cities:el:lA.oa opposed the motion. He found
no sacurities—nothing that could reconcile the l'totestant mind to
the doctrine of the Pope's Supremacy. Looking hack to the sear
Hitio, down t !Oda, lie found the effirt of Homan Catholic
tenets, and if those tenets wete not dangerous, then the Act,'
which had been passed were all instances of the greatest imposition
ever practised in this or any other country. In 111368, a solemn
compact was entered into between the people of this country and
the King. for the support of the Protestant interest. We were
to have a Protestant King, Parliament, Lid Governor nt. By
the great principle of that compact, no man who folloas that
God who Beeps us all could be persecuted in this country fir his
religious opinion. On that pnncille no man could sit on the
throne without being a Protestant. It was a proviso that he was
not to be assisted by Roman Catholic advisers in Council. The
laws were not to be adnunistered by Boman Catholic Judges,
and he a.. to be supported by a subordinate government, consist-
ing of Protestants, to enable him to make good the compact and
redges, and if he had not made them good, every pan in the
c ,untry would have been re based from his allegiir. The
compact the King could not make good, if Government did not
enable him. The Noble and Learned Lord then adverted to the
argument, which went the length of dispensing with the oath,
denying the Pope's supremacy. He observed, we live in times
of wonder, but it I had heard of the discovery of a North-West
psoage. and perpetual motion, I should not have been more
surprised than to hear that a man could sit in Parliament
without taking the oaten. ll' you Call find any Lord in this
House who has not taken the oaths you may impeach me this
night. The Lord Chancellor cited the highest law authorities,
proving that the constitution etraid not adtuit the repeal of t' ose
important restrictions which supported a Ptoteststat Govern-
mMt. lila duty to his Sovereign, to Parliament, and the
King's subjects, together with his oath taken us a Privy
Couneellor, did not allow him to accede to the claims of the
Boman Catholic Petitioners without tho.e securitie, which
would satisfy the people of England. The Church of Houle had
given up nothing, and the Country felt that the security ofiltred
was insufficient.

Earl Gil E r said, that none of the disabilities now proposed to
be removed were to be bound among the securities taken for the
Punesitaid religion at the revolution. All of them were imposed
either before or after the revolutioa. None of them was to be
tiund in the Rill of Rights Of in the Act of Settlement. If, then,
he could prove that all those disabilities were oceasionaLthe whole
arg,iiinent of the noble and learned Lord went to the ground.
The amstitution, the noble and learned Lord would admit, was
Pandamenially and essential!, free. At the revolution securities
Thad been taken to *uard the national freedom.. The Bill of
Rights and the Act of Settlement contained those securities. Yet
the noble and learned Lord would be the last to contend that those
vieciaritits were so essential and fundamental as to be inseparable
from the constitutior, and that they could not be altered. The
purity of Parliament was provided for both in the Bill of Rights
and io the Act of Settlement, and it was enacted by them that
no islitzeman could have a seat in Parliament. Yet a few years
ulterwards this proibtion was npcaled. A similar repeal had
taken place of an enactment of equal authority respecting appeals
to the privy council. At the revolution it had been provided,
that Parliameats should be frequently holden. Two years after.
wards it was enacted that the other house should be elected every
three years. Yet it was well known that by the let George I •
this act MA been repealed. The septennial act MKS one of
slaubtful red, which be thought justified by. the neoessity and
defter of t..e tunes. But now that the necessity and danger ex-
isW no 'urger, ils continuance was injurious to the character and
constitution of Parliament. In like manner the right of peti-
tioning oat provided for in the Bill of Rights. Would the noble
and (earned Lord, however, say that this right could not in any
circumstances be made the subject of qualification and restriction ?
The noble and learned Lord himself had laid his unhallowed
Lands or. the most sacred security of the constitution, when he
suspended the right of every man to enjoy personal liberty, or to
Lave a fair trial by hit country ; and yet they were now stopped
Mom any further application to their Lordships, on the ground
Cunt whatever had been established at the revolution was
mental and eesential. Dr those laws which were now coniplatned
or, the first was the corporation art, which had been passed in the
trst year after the resioration : its object was to exclude from
Parliament. not the Catholics, but tl.e siippoiters of Cromwell,
who had overturned the ;overtiment and tie tonstitution. Ihe
!text law was the test act, in the 25th of Charles 11. 'That law
Lad been chromed against the Catholics, but particularly against.
the Duce of York. The Dissenters, who heal zealously sup.
ported this measure, were hardly treated, sire they had this act
still suspended ov.r them. But the occasion of this law was
auanifeet umporary. The next law teas the 30th of Charles

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to exclude Catiudits from both /louses of Parliament. 'the
noble and learned l.ont had strongly stated thm nothing could
surpri4i hint ; but it w.is with the most unalfiet.si surprise that
he had heard a lawyer of high eminence say that this law of
Charles ILwas an set of deliberative wisdom and prospective coi-
tion to gtuird the constitution. It was notorious that the origin
of the law was the plots of ()Biel and Hemline, which no human
being now believed. (in such a foundation rested this set of
deliberative wisdom and presriective caution ! (A laugh.) These
laws bad passed before the reeolu :f(nitliatl had their origin
in plots which a Lord on the that de, op m. 4 Norwich)
had justly characterised i diabol 1 upon their
Lordships. Exclusion, when it was AO 0 eSfary to the
constitution, must be injurionip to it. Thogeedibeeti another
art against the Catholics, which he had neg to mention,
whose provisions were the severest of all. It was the act 1699.
now happily repealed • but it illustrated how our ancestors had
legislated upon this subject.l This act precluded Catholics from
devising property, and impos.Nl a penalty liir eve!), pertinmanee
of mrs 4. Their Lordships could now see with what deliberative.
wisdom this law bad been passed. The representation of Locke's
doctrine of exclusion had been answered so ably by a noble and
learned prelate (the Bishop of Nerwie,h„ on a former occasion)
that he vat ashamed to take up their Lordsnips' time with re-
marks upon it. He asked whetbor the noble and learned Loud
was prepared to adopt the whole of Locke's opinions which he had
studied so much ? He asked whether, if he wits so prcpfred,
the bench of bishops, which was so crowded to support his views
of the question, were prepared to follow him ? Mr. Locke had
contributed more than any writer to enlighten the age in which
he lived, and to free the mind foal) prejudice and delusion ; but
the noble and learned Lord had fastened upon Wh.! rubbish
which this „evert writer lied still retained, and held it forth as
the qtly valuable part of his writings. As a aommencement of
conciliatory and remedial measures he cordially agreed with the
proposition this night brought forward by his noble friend.
The Marquis of Lansdown spoke m favour of the motion ; the
Earls of Liverpool and Westmorland against it ; the Earl of
Camarvon for, and the Duke of Wellingtim against it.
Attcr a few words fruits Lord Darnley in Loma of it, the
House dis ided

ontents Present ... 7l)—Proxies 36—Int;
Non•cwnuc.W Prkx.ent ... 97—Proxies 50—147

MajoritT against the motion... 41
Adjourned at half past one o clock.
TUESDAY. MAY 18.

On the motion of 1..0rd AUCKLAND. the House went into a
Committee on the Chimney Sweepers' Regulation Bill.
Several verbal amendments were reeointneaded by the Lord
Chancellor. Lord arid Lord Lauderdale. The Lord
Chanallur observed, that the Bill prevented boss going up to
sweep chimneys, but they might come down chimneys. There
was also a sort of blunder in preventing the use of Female
Girls, which the Earl of Lauderdale pointed out. The Bill,
however, passed through the Committee, and several ainenti-
mcnts being made, was ordered to be reported to-morrow.
The Exchequer Receipts Bill passed through a Committee.
Adjourned.
WEDNESDAY, MAY 19.

The Iloval Assent was given by commission to the Claims on
France Bill, Alkali Duties, Quarter Sessioas Carnatic
('ommissioners, four l)ivorce Bills, and a number of Private and
Local Bills, in all 69. The Commissioners were, the Lord
Chancellor. Lord Melville. and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
The Chimney Sweepers Regulation Bill was reported, and
ordered to be read a third time on Monday.
The Earl of LAIT DE DAL E advert:Ll to what he considered
a misstatement in ire Bank Report. It went to make gold
appear at less price than it really was. De contended, that the
circumstance proved how necessary it was to ianit.ire into lirc state
of the metallic currency.
The Earl of W EsT MORL AN 13 said, he was not prepared to
give the Noble Earl explanation on this subject, bat intimated
that he would mention it W his colleagues.
The House eskjourrurd to Friday.
FRIDAY, MAY 41.

The Earl of I.strbiltl,ALl. said, he had a Petition to present,
signed by four or five hundred Merchants, Bankers, and resnetx-
able Traders in the City of London, corn.,laining of a Plan,
'thick they said was about to be inforced tbr the iojury of the
country. The Petition was then read. The petitioners srattal,
that the proposed plan wouldaduee the value et laud, as well as
other property, injure trade and commerce, and withdraw a
great proportion of emolument derived front industry. They,
therefore, prayed that the restriction on Bank payments in cult
might be extended to a period which will nat embrace so much
inconvenience.

The Earl or LAUDERDALE said, he was infor.ned that a com-
munication had been made by the Directors of the Bank of
England to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. ex-
prriaing their opinion upon the plan to be brought before Parlia-
ment. Ile wished to risk if any communication had been made,
and whether any explanation could be given to Parliament •r
The Earl of Lie ERNOOL said, it was true the communisation
alluded to had been made. This morning two persons at the
head of the Direction of the Bank put into his hand the semi.
menu of the Court of Directors upon the plan thin before the
llon-e. This was given to Lord Liverpool to be laid before
his Royal Highness the Prince Regent by the Aliniaters. The
Noble Len asked if they might be permitted to lay it before
Parliament ? They said they laid nu wi4h it should. Lord
Liverpool told them, if any prestion was put to hint upon the
said communication, he should riot feel justified in withholding
the contents of it from Parliament.

The document, after some further observations, was read. The
Bank Directors, in a very hoig statement, communicated that
they had taken into consideration the Report of the Committee on
Bank Affairs, and had thought it their duty to lay before his
Majesty's Ministers their sentiments for the information of Par-
liament. In the first instance, they considered it impracticable
to return to Cash Payments at the gale stated in the phis. There
was no prospect of advantage under the proposed plan. This
Directors of the Bank would be the last persons to object to
return to Cash Payments on their own account, but they had to
advocate the interests of the Pu.die at large. On the whole, they
endeavoured to impress upon his Majesty's Ministers that a re-
turn to Cash Payments at any given time would be injunous to
the Public.

The Petition and the Pipet Last read were then laid on the
table.

The Earl of BULKELTY. seeing the Noble Secretary of State
for the Home Department in his place, was desirou, of asking
the Noble Lord whether the scandalous scene, which occurred
some time since, namely, the conte3t between the tshentr and
Police Officer, for money belonging to a convict in a Court of
Justice. had been brought under his observation. It appeared to
him (Lord Bateley) to be a transaction disgraceful to a Court of
Justice,.whoever had a right to the property.
Lord Viscount SliumouTil said, in answer to the question put
by the Noble Lord, that he had no information whatever on th 3
subject but that which he had derived from common report.—He
had received no rept (actuation to which he could turret his atten-
tion, consequently was unable to give any explanation.
RANI REPORT.—The F.arl of iiAllllOWIly then rose upon
the Older of the Day, to consider the Report made by tl.e Com-
mittee co the Affairs of the Book. The Noble Earl, after stating

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the variety of opinions which prevailed on the important question
nripecting the Bank lteatriction, expressed his own per ssioit
that :t would be unwise and it-juriotts to the Public to rush sud
denly, as it were, to mush payments. Ile sit.:Aested adherence to
the recommendation contained in the Report made by the Coin.
tuittee. observing that gohl at the time mentioned for payment io
specie ntizlit be brought to the mint price. and the Bank would
then open its payments without risk. The Noble Earl own:du-
de! by moving the Resolusions, in substance that there had been
an over issue of paper, which made it impossible for the Bank to
resume Cash l'ayments. It vas therefore nece,,try to contract
these Jostles. and regulate the issue of gold to enable the Bank to
rtuunte COS!' payments at is definite period.
The Earl of LatinctinAtx expressed an opposite opinion,
and contended that the embarrassment in which the country was
placed did cot proceed IVoin an over i sue of notes of the B ink of
England. The Noble Earl moved a string of seven counter Re-
solutions, proving that the exchange hail been favourable to the
country during the greatest issues of Bank notes, to it
did net apper.r.that the issue of paper had on-aliened a rise of the
price of bullion. The Bank co phi not sanely return to cads
payments un 1 the price of the two metals was regulated, and
both toads iaiusl. onw alteration of the Nfint circulation was the
tonioary step to restoring the coin to a salutary state.
Earl Gn urged the neoessity of putting ed. the theet,,,ien to
Tuesday se'naight. to enable the House to form a better opinion
upon the snlkiect•

'The Earl iiO3SLT:7 wa3 also an advocrue for further time.
The Earl of 1.1 uPoot. intimated that hutch inconvenience
had.alrcady been felt in consequence of su-pense with respect
to the qoestion. Ile therefore pressed the Home to proceed, and
entered upon a statement of the principles on tyhich the Commit •
tee had formed their Report. There were tht nie questions t—The
The tir.t was. whether it was expedient that this country should
return to some fixed standard of value with respect to the arcubi.
non The next V/33, whether it was a practicable expedient for
the country to return to the ancient standard ? The third was.
what were the best means of effecting that standard ? The Noble
Earl argued all Vie above point, with great ability. and ulti-
mately drew a cencluaion that the House ought to adopt the
Resolutions

Lord Grenville and the Marquis of Lansdown spoke at Co:Mil-
der-Able length in favour of the que,tion.
The rcisslittions prorcried by Lie Earl of Lauderdale were then
negat ved without a division; and the original reastutionc wire
carried with only two or three dissentient %vices.
Adjourned at two o'clock.

HOME OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, MAY 17.

LONDOX Gas LIGHT BILL.—Mr. P. Monty moved that
the London Ows Light Bill he read a third time and passed,
On which the llouse divided.—The numbers were—Ayes 134
—Noes St.—Majority against the Bill 103.
SrAT E OF THE NAT lON.--Sit .1. SEBRIGHT suggested
whether his Right Hon. Friend would not do well to ptit; un.:
his motion. fixed for tomtorrow, till after the Report on the Bank
Secret I:ono-Mum had been disposed of.
Mr. T I e:HNET said, he could net postpone his motion; bring
it on he must; he must do his.duty to his country. Bethel not
want to forestall the Bank question ; he should express no opi-
nion on that stirject ; and to postpone it till after the other qu.s.-
tion was disposed of, would be in fact to abandon it.
Mr. BEI:BLIT resents! a Petitiod from a Post-Captain
Munchen, complairan,r of Mr. Lushington Lid P. for Canter-
bury), that he abused the powers of his office, misapplied the
public money, and made appointments to preserve political influ-
ence. In this spitit the Petitioner was removed, and another
person appointed in his stead.
Mr. 1.173/lINGTON said, the only blame that he felt attest:ell
taxlie cause was, that the Officer had not been dismissed before ;
and stated that the officer, applied to dispose of his place, de-
siring that it be •• under the rose." and that above all, it should
not be made known to Mr. Lui.hington. The ground on which
the officer had been dismissed was, that he had endeavoured to
sell his appointment.
Mr. Bkior ETT moved that the Petition do lie upon the table.
Mr. LUSHINGION observed, that lie thought this motion
could not be agreed to.
After remarks front Mr. N. Calvert, the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, Mr. Lushington, &c. the motion was agreed to.
B AAAAA APLE.-.-Tht Report of the Barnstaple bill was
brotigin up.
Sir R. %WILSON moved, that the Report be re-considered this
day six mont6.

After remarks from Mr. Wynn, Sir J. Newport,. Mr. Waith..
man, Akiemian Wood. he. the !louse divieod—For the amend.
went, pi—Against it, 110—Majority against it., 9a.
Mr. V. BLAKE proposed to extend the right of voting to " in
habitant householders" instead of " froehoiderb."
Amendment negatived, and the bill ordered to be read a third
time tn•tnorrow.

LICENSED VICTUALLERS—Mr. BENNETT said that on
account of the lateness of the hour, and understanding that the
measure was lik:ly to experience considerable opposition. he
should more that the Licensed Virtivulers' Bill he read a second
time on Friday'ntxt ; and he was the more &urine's to press this
postponement as the Bill was of great importance. and as there
ought to be opportunity for ris full discussion. (Rear.)
Bill accordingly ordered to be read on Friday next ; after which
the (louse adjourned.

TUFSDAY, MAY 18.
Mr. Et-clans/ presented& Petition front tradesmen of Lincoln
against the renewal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act. lived and
ordered to lie on the table.

GAOL DELIVERIL;.--Nfr. WESTERg gave notice, that on
Thursday, the 276 inst. he should bring forward hi: mouoa for
a more frequent Gaol Delivery : he should proceed either by an
Address to the Crown, or by moving for a Select Committee.
Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition from solicitors at Notting-
ham and the County of Nottingham, complaining of the facility
with which persons could be qualified to practise as Convey-
ancers; and praying that the Howe would adopt measuies to
remedy the same. Head, and ordered to lie on the table.
LONDON CLERGY HILL.—Sir .1. GliAllA3l moved that cer-
tain Property Tax Returns, regarding the City, be referred to the
London Clergy 1101 Committee.
Alderman Woos said, this was a most extraordinary proceed-
ing, returns which nail been produa4 having hero got from the
Property 'fax papers—papers which the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had assured the House were destroyed. The returns,
made more than seven years ago, were most fallacious; and he
trusted the Howe would resist this application. (Hear.)__

Mr. Cm.wiewr coincided in opinion with Alderman %food.
Sir J. NEWPORT, without touching the question. whether the
Clergy ought to have additional remuneratam, protested against
this use of papers in question. tht understanding being that all
such papers should be destroyed.
Sir J. Gnanast thought there was some misunderstanding on
this subject. He belie-ed that such papers only had been de-
s•royed as affected mercantile profits, not real property ; and he
tliouAht such papers only had been destroyed.
Sir M. W. HUME Y apj ealed to the llouse whether the pledge
of Government ha not been given that all the papers con-
nected with the property tax should be destroyed ; (Hear, hear.!)
sad he trusted that the House would tuugaituously reject tat

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tproposition to make use of these papers, which had unknowingly
found their way to the table. It was either great neglect, or a
gram breach of faith, not to have destroyed those papers.
Alderman We MAN complained of this breach of faith
with the public, and protested against the proposed use of the
returns. They were more fallacious documents to proceed upon,
for property in the City of London had since depreciated ono
third, in some instances one half.
Sir J. GRAHAM then begged to withdraw his motion, which
was agreed to.
Lord Camden's Sinecureepronts' Appropriation, was brought
in by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Reuel a first time, and
ordered to be read a second titne on Friday next.
STATE OF THE NAT10N....-Mr. TIERNEY then rose to
bring forward his prandial motion, for a Committee to en -
quire into the State of the Nation. He must own that he
could not comprehend how any set of men could be circum-
stanced so as to be less envied than the Ministers opposite ; none
had more patiently borne such treatment ; tend if it were a mere
party object to triumph, they had only to let the Gentlemen op-
posite alone till the end of the Session. No wet of Ministers had
ever stood lower in the public estimation. Their only vigour
was their vigorous adherence to office. Bat he scalp:lit for no
party Humph. He desired that they should do their duty to
the people; that if he made out that the. Natala was in a state
of peril and difficulty, they would interpose between a weak
Administration and a tottering Country. That was the best duty
which an honest House of Cmnmons could perform ; and he
was glad to say that the present House contained mere Menibtire
who did not belong to any party, wile looted to ineasttres, not to
men, and who, he trustal, would aid in trimming the balence this
rieht, so as to justify the expectation of the Country. The
country, Europe in fact, now appeared in profound pr ice ; and
he trusted it would long continue ; but Engles& like the Conti-
nental Powers, ought to be engaged in repairing those financial
solapidations which the war had occasional. Unfortunately,
however, they did not behold the Ministers so occupied, at least
with any efficiency. The Ministers miht take credit to them-
selves for
state of great uncertainty. Five Powers now arranged Europe.
There was an Holy Alliance, and he honed it would be as tightly
used as it was piously worded.—( Bear, hear, and a laugh.)—The
state of France, however, was most improving, more so than
could have been anticipated two years ago ; with a limited
Monarchy, and a IleFresentaive Government. With such
strength, it isms desirable that England should have equal
strength and promise. America, too, mast be an object of
anxiety; and had two Englishmen been executed under ilfferent
circumstenese, it would not have been borne so panently. But
be blamed lot the conduct of Ministers; they had acted with
proper caution; but England in shurrime that dm was &Atom. of
continuing Peace, must prove that owls desire did not originate
froin• the dread of Woe—Meat, hear s—England's strength
must be manifest. or there was no security for the continuance
of Pause. This was not to be made by eneouraging Armies, or
Military Asylums; but by a well manned Navy and a flourish-
ing Eechequer. With these advantages he would defy the
\Voris' ; without them there was no security against new diffi-
cultiei.-411ear, hear !)_As to our trade, it was worse than
nothing; and as to Commercial Treaties, there were none that
merited the name. Spanish America presented an interesting epee-
tack, for what could be a more affecting sight than vs behold a
whole Continent contending for Freedom ? Yet instead of keep
ing this advantage as a remedy fur the distresses of our trade, the
Ministers had now u Bill on the table which was to exasperate
the whole Continent. Ft could have no other effect, and it was a
most disgraceful measure.—(Loud eh tering.) Then as our trade
was worse than nothing, what were the erospects of the country ?
The financial schemes of the Ministers, if schemes they could be
called were as cheerless. Since they lost the Property tax they
had pnweeded on no plan whatever, and they trusted to the
Chapter of Accidents. After they were defeated, then, what
could be expected of them, with a debt on their backs ee
treo,neo,unot ? Could they be expected to tcsign ? No, nobody
expected that from Omni. (Much laughter.) But it was ex-
peaed that they would produce some plan to enable them to go
on; but none had they had since. And as to the reduction
of the debt, how tnfling was it; 3,700.000/. in three years
of peace. The debt now was hee,Ontenotee When the facts
were so melancholy, and lie could prove ere facts, was it not
time for the Hoax to interfere? N ere they to let the Minis-
ters proceed mismanaging the Country's affairs, only because
they were not strong enough to propose such measures as would
be useful and eflicim.t. (Hear). As it was, the divideiels could
not he paid without the assistance of the Bank ; let the Bank
withhold the I:e.ttoomou and the Chancellor of the Exchequer
could as soon raise the dead as pay the dividends. The Bank.
no doubt, would continumto d. as they had done before; but it'
they should think themselves hardly dealt with, and it was said
they had such opinion, what was to prevent them front turning
round upon the Government. 'lt was said that there was a loan
of tee.reithefin; and he had heard it armoured that the interest
waste be paid by new taxes. He would not consent to raise one
halfpenny more; he would not further corrode and blister the
people with taxation, to support the scrambling system of Minis-
ters. He therefore called on the house to interfere, the the pro.
petty of the country was unsafe ; and he hesitated not to say
that the object of the motion was to alter the preeent Adminis-
tration.—(Loud cheers.). lie had not fished for venni ;he would
do nothing di the kind; he frankly confirmed that was the object
of his motion—(Hear, hear !)—fie concluded with mem:, that
the !louse resolve loaf into a Committee to enquire into the State
.of the Nation.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied to Mr. Tierney [with considerw
ble wanuth, maintaining that the only object of the motion was
to einbasrase the Government and-the House, it being brought
forward on the (were' so importer t a mntien to that regarding the
Bank. ' If the Right Honorable Mover really thought the Go
vernment was composed of such incompetent Members, why had
he slept on his post, why bad he not proclaimed such oeinion
Were.? Much Of the Session had already elapsed, important
enquiries had proceeded, debates had ensued, but this opinion
regarding the Ministate was suffered to sleep till they were just
about to proceed to so important a eliteimeion as the one to
which he had alluded. ie hat other motive then, could have
promoted such u motion st such athlete than what he hail pointed
out. The question of Eiteeice he would not touch now, but as
to the alleged diereganl of milting teen nercial Treaties, he con-
tended that it wrath► have been pitiful in this. Country, when
maintaining such high objects, to have done more than had been
done.

The motion was supported by Lords Clifton and John !Nagel!,
Nlessra Lambe, Burdett. Dickenson. Re. Aix. and opposed by
Martin. Wynn, Maberley, lkinkcs, Re. Re. slier which
Mr. Tierney replied &sexism° length, and the gallery was thin
Ararat for a division—Ayes, I ; —Noes, 357.-31,ijority fur
Minute's, rig. Adjourned at 2 o'clock.

WLDNEBIIIAI% Mae 19.
The House was summoned to the Ilouse of Peers to hear
the Royal Assent given to sundry public and pirate hills.—
See Lords.]
Mr. HAM. presented an Account of all Briefs issued from tbc
Church and fire Office, for the 41,34 of cilanuties by fire.
Mr. 11.YTTLIETON presented a Petition from Attorneys of
I.one.on and M'estiiiiiisier, against iiiiprop...r persons acting as
Cunseyanecrs.—head and ordered to lie on the table,

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