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THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

RIX 5.

tab H..use will, early in the next Session of Parliament, take into its
most serious consideration, the st ate of the laws atti ct ng tv s Majesty's
Roman Catholic subjects in Great Britain and Ireland, with a view to
such a final and conciliatory adjustment, as may be conducive to the
peace and strength of the United Kingdom, to the stability of the
Protestant Establishment, and to the general satisfaction ant concord
of all class.s of his Majesty's subjects."
Loot LOOOFOR D objected entirely to a pledge on this subject. The
Catholic would derive no advantage from it:for he must know that it
curs a subject which would be entertained by Parliament whenever
they misht consider it prudent to entertain it. If, however, cis-
cpinstonces should render it inexpedient to enter into the consideration
of the Catholic claim; early in the 'text Seysion, what would be the
etl:ci of .otopting the Noble Marquis's resol :lion, but to pledge their
Lordships to consider that which it would be inexpedient to con-
sider ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that from the year WOO to the pre.
Tent pericd, he and those who thought with him on the present sub
ject—the humble advocates of the civil and religious liberties of their
country (liberties fostered by the Church Establishment, so closely
connected with that of the State)—had never ceased to request those,
who proposed an alteration in the existing state of things, to state what
it was they 'helm to do ? He now asked the Noble Marquis, what it
was that he meant to do ? What did the Noble Marquis propose ?
Consideration ? Did nut all the Noble Marquis's arguments go to
establish the necessity, not of consideration only, but of absolute con-
cessen ? He confessed his surprise at the opinions delivered by the
Noble Marquis, fighting side by s'i'c with him, as that Noble *Mar-
quis Intl done at the c.mmencement of the present Session. He had
not heard much of the Noble Marquis's opinions on this subject
b.forc. If he were pushed, he would say, that he had entertained
little suspicion that such opinions existed in the Noble Marquis's
m'nd. At the time when the Noble Marquis stated in that House,
that if the Legislature ever gave way to menace, there was an end to
free and uncontrolled discussion, /Ile Noble arquis and he voted
t. );ether. The Noble Marquis was now, it would appear, of a dif.
tercet opinion; and yet the circumstances were the same, or rather
'ley were moth sir niger. If the oresent motion was carried, and it
meant n o consideration but concession, as he hoped for God's mercy,
be did not think he should be living under the same constitution as
hitherto. (Hear, hear !) Feeling the weight of all those objsctions
strongly pressing on his mind, it was his intention to conclude with a
motion, uoon which he should divide the House, if he was to stand
alone. As the Noble Marquis (Lord Wellesley) and he had agreed on
a former occasion, that they could not vote for concession, under the
existing circumstances, so he (the Lord Chancellm), under similar
circumstances, could not vote for the motion of the Noble Marquis.
He should sit down, after giving notice to their Lordships, that he
meant to move the previous question.
The Earl of HARDWICKE would vote for the motion.

The Earl of CLANCARTY said, it was necessary to consider what
was necessary to be done, and to acquire what securities would-be
necessary to obviate the danger of their unqualified admission to all
privileges.
The Duke of Sus sEx spoke in favour of the motion.
Lord HARROWBY thought enquiry was necessary for the satisfac-
tion of both sides, and would atfard the best means of defeating the
designs of our enemies.
The Duke of KENT trusted that the Legislature would not only
adopt the measure, but go into' a general consideration of every -thing
which pressed upon the lower orders of the community in Ireland,
the correction of which, it he was rightly informed, was long and
loftily called for.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY disclaimed the inference, that
those who opposed the motion were for shutting the door against con-
sideration, and therefore should not support it.
Lord ELLENBOROUCH was not against concession; God forbid!
but he was against givi,•g the statical power out of his hand before he
knew whether it would be necessary to wield it in his def.:nce. (Hear,
hear!) He thought that the system of conciliation should be com-
bined with a system of security, and believed, it those securities were
agreed upon, that a man of plain understanding might comprizc all the
Catholics wanted in a short Act of Parliament.
Lord HOLLAND gave his most hearty vote for the motion.
The LORD CHANCELLOR explained.
Lord MULGRAVI thought it would be well for their Lordships to
take the subject into their most serious consideration, early in the
nett Session of Parliament, and that it would then be desirable to
grant them all that could consistently be granted, and bar the door
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±gainstnte anyat furtnce.r he concession. All that could be granted, ought to
grad o
Lord CAMDEN waa disposed to grant the required concessions, if
satisfactory securities could be given.
The Duke of NORFOLK thought, if an oath were framed for the
L„lt"hcs, declaring, that no Prince, Potentate, or other Foreign
has, or ought to have any power, spiritual or temporal, within
this realm, that could in any way have a tendency to subvert the Pro-
testant Establishment ; that little more would be necessary, and that,
had been stated by a Noble Lord, all that was wanted by the Ca-tholics
might be comprized in a very short Act of Parliament.
fhe Earl of Mout A called upon their Lordships to make up their

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in.nds to give the pledAe required; and, conscious that the doubts
anti tears attached to the subject, were in a great measure to be as-
scribed to its not having been Properly investioted •' he trusred it
would be thoroughly examined in the next Session, and that the result
would be relief to the Catholics.

Lord Stomotrrx commented on the inconsistency of the Noble
Marquis who had brought forward the motion, in proposing that now,
which he had rysistert on the 31st of January, on the grounds that the
conduct of the Catholics rendered a consideratio'l of the subj:ct
im-
proper. When they .were told of the four or fve mill:ons ui 0.,;()Rle,
the population of Ireland, *he =wove to 'be., COPtei Lioneipa—
tion, he would a..k; if any man could lay his bac.- upon hip heart; and
say, thatihe believed that one-fourth of that number woliP be in any
way affected by the measure called for. file evils win.. i•f9:cted
I e!and were those which oppressed the ere 42 masa of lierpor
tier situation was now happily improving, as might seen trum:the
progress at agriculture in that country, and from other circumstances.
Flieir Lordships deceived themselves, if they thotuAlit that the ,:,scon-
tents of Ire:and grew out of solicitude on this suhjcct. 'Those who
were moss anxious in pursuitof this measure, for the acconipliahrtient
of which so many Noble Lords were clispris'ed to give th'ir ands &evil
their arguments from that state of irritation and diii:Ontent, oif.which
other circumstances were the cause. Ihe einaedioaticla the
interests of Ireland required, was an,emanCipai icin *tram ignoaatice and
poverty. This, it was in v.iin to think, could be accomplished by
any thing but time and progressive improvement. He should vote
for the previous question. • • •
The Marc His ot HEADFORT, the Marqtiisof LANSDOWAE, and the
Duke of CUMBERLAND spoke, after which,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL considered it as a fundamentar'principle,
laid Blown at the Revolution, that a Protestant Government was to
he firmly established in these realms. if any one politicil principle
was more firmly established than another, it was, that the subjects of
a state should owe no allegiance &tit of that state. Under these cir-
cumstances, he felt himself called' on.. to state; that as he could not
see his way to any Imiefitial result from the motion of his Noble
Friend, he could not feel himself justified in acceding to it.
The Earl of DONOUGILMORE and Lord MELVILLE supported the
motion.

Lord R EDESDALE opposed the motion.
Lord GREN VILLE supported the-question, and .urged the total
repeal of all the disabilities under which the Catholics laboured.
After a few Words-from Earl STANHOPE, a DiYision took place.—
For time Motion., .Contents, 74, Proxies, 51.-125. • Against the Mo-
tion„Non7conteitts,l-1, Proxies, 52-126. Majority againt the Mar.
quis.Wellesley'ssMotion, 1. The lioust adjournedat four o'clock.

THURSDAY, JULY 2.
Their Lordships were occupied a considerable time in a dis-
cussion on the Banbury Peerage; tilt debate was adjourned till
Tuesday next.—The Assessed Taxes; Postage Rates,-and several
other .Bills, passed throu6.ll Comniittees ; 'their Lordships: then ad-
journed till to-morrow. •

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FR itikYo /CLY 1.,.. , ' •- •
The Corporation presented a...e.etitiwi from the Cursitors in Chan-
cery against the Sineeure 'Place Bill, which w 4 'laid rn the table.
Lord Hot LAND trouglist in his Bill for regulating Ex-Otlicio Infor-
initions. "-&.
.Palmer's Claim Bill on the motion of Lord Mot a.v, nas.ordered to
be read a second time on Monday 1' ' . . - •.0 t • .
Lord STAri HO PE after a speech of some length, ingde,z motion, ac-
cording to notice, ear removing the paigs and penakies-ag.tinst the Dis-
senters, which Wili negatived fiql 4 divi4ion, there beibg-teritlo, against
it 31. - ' ' . • ,
The Sinecure 'Place Bill.wai rejected ;. there being fur the second
reading 8, against 35.—Adj7)nriled. - . t. .
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• HOUSE OF COMMONS:

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moNrmy, t' N E 29; •
The Irish Stamp Duty pill, -the- Irish Militia Pav,.13111, and the
Irish Exchequer Bills' Aid Bill, were each- read a time, and
passed.

• ASSESSED TAXES...O° •
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On the motion. for the third reading of the-A ssessefi;riites Bill,
Mr. WES FERN repeated his objections to the prinaiitkof the tax on
horses employed in agriculture, and concluded with nmovitog the otitis.;
'qn of the clAtise to that effect- • • •

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The House-divided—For the AMencithent, 42:--ttor the third read-
ing, 69—Majority, ..`27.. The 13.11 was, then read .a third time and
passed.
THE PRINCE RtGENT'S MESSAGE.
Lnril CASTLEREAGH ••,presented,.at the Bar .of. the House,
packet of sealed papers on the subject of the tfisturbances existingi:
the different counties in England. His first proposition should bete.
a Secret Committee above stairsi_in order to examine the information
containectin the sealed papers, so as to bn able to-lay, it distinctly be.
fore the House. •I t was•not for the purpbse -of retnoviirg from Minis-
ters the responsibility of offering their view oft the present state of
th country, that he submitted this motion, btu to; the Imre accurate

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