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Powc!l was aC3III in.

h.§,l Irro 1;cr: ' No.
Yong woo.' $l4C3r It ? Yes. I will.

thing to me who am &feuding a clear, distiart, known, avow.
r.l, and specific Forty, to know who is the party ow the other
sole, in order that I may he enabled to fix that party through
hi. agents, and in order that I may be abk to make that evi.
d..•nce which is not evidence in this rase, unless it come. from
the opposite party, or ass 'grist of that opposite party !
If I knew who the party WAS. won coastal f alibi be able tw
bring, io a mass of the must material evidence fur my de.
tence, namely, declarations, *perches, letters, and aces on
the part of that opposite party, which I could do, if I knew
him, they, or she, or whatever name it may he of this no.
t tangles@ unknown. Rot lam ignorant of its existence, not
k lowing the" local habitation or the nave"—not knowing
whether it may riot vanish into " airy nothing." lam nut
iihle to grapple with it, to thrust tom it, to bring out of it.
own mouth Of it has one) that which may operate to support
my defence. The rule of law is strong on this point, and
sly. the►e Milli be two parties ; here, however, there is but
r,ne. We must have another party, my Lords. My Lords,
know nothing of this shapeless being—
" If shape it might be called, that shape had none,
Di.tingnishable io mrrolarr, joint, or lamb,
Or nolodasere mizlit he called that shadow airman!,
Far each ',reined either. Black it stood as night,
Elarce as the furira, terrible sin hell,
And shook a do easiful dart : what 'rem( al his head

hhc likeness of a kingly crown had on."
j—llut I kn.*• not wltther it ham such nn head;
it ris ly be
a he and with the semblance only of m shallow or
Roy stiolniozliEoo. lam now contending for a sohmlantive
ti al ; that I i 1.11,• a right to put certain questions, mid is clan
log 1•11 lon nail by '• You can't put that question tll this
:acv 10i.4r. or to itm profe..sril sgentm, lt,:raisme there are the
rules of professional conlidenc.• to interpome''—couhtlence
repowd in nothing, am we shall must likely fiiitt. Can
toy lauds, tlischar;ze any slaty to my Illustrious Client, if I
am to lie stopped ill this way ? In auy tither Court I should
know who she prosecutor was.
The Lord Chatierllor—" I ans xtremely sorry to have to
intetropt Coons( I upon any prucerilitigm, lilt it is my duly
In point out to lino, that it is intposseb:e to that
rpitstion to he put to a persou who is not called in siipport
oil ill- Bill, Intl- who is merely called by the !louse to
sr. no fur an "hornet:on of its orders. The nilt'Sli 0000
11111.4 I,r Clll/6/11,11 111 that sad to that only, no It ns the Conn-
S, I w.•l. to make this witness a witness ill fill( 1, then he may
call li.in ~ such."

AL i;,oozoant-61 Will your Lunt.;him allow tne to anz-
g• .1 an • iu r gut nutnt, namely, how malty wituesett, prevo.
to the 11th of S pttne:tet., are here on the p trt of the

The I.ooii Clcomillor—" I I pprrhroid the sin••slion emoint
L. ..I0 .1, to g. use you have no tight to aAlt lu any thing
tA , 1,1 I .u!,j, ft now In fore III."

Hon, ttuttly of the wittorsows who hid crer rnme over in
env was country it r talloott of the ILO, to the Intl
of Ih.• ut u. Ii now liJgesn4belief, ha., left toe country
brfoo- the 141 h of Septen.lorr !

tlo ft
1.w.1-rdite—Whir is it to Ragielli about the num-
ber of the sil:.esowx

Th. I.'s.' Chancellor-1 apprehend that this is • question
th .I.not he rived.

Mr i• material, m, Lords, to know what
rooolwr of willi,o'es hive generally barn tore who went
withiP•,.% to the treatment they receive'', and have aince
go•ie lutrk.
Lind artument not only fors the
f the whlnr.cea, bat it is unlimited as to what
010010., or witnemes that may have come from any part of
th.• wo.lld.

eunlriroit-113t was not the objection of the Noble
"'WI! 1.1.11

objection goes no foriher Ilion to
Ih 14e •ses, but it goes to all parls of the world.
llr Powell again called in and examined by
Mr. Brougham.

Pr viona to Ractelli being sent back to 'ltaly how many of
01 • tt ItoeNNew, to the knowletlze of nil nr%S. returned to the
16 of Italy? lao not know of any, and to the best of
ull t mtr ledge and belief wine.
11 the witue.a unfit-lake to swear that at the time
It, t. lli .ca: Sint bark be Aid trot know and lwlit re tkrt any
yes-on ab. had been here as a witness bad returned to the
not tb of lIAly ? Flail been here:

Mtll the witness undertake to swear that to the best of
his 1., f that at the time he sent back K istelli on witness
who I. of tweet in the country on this Kill hail been sent
bar!: ' T.. the best of my knowledge and belt. f none.
Ti.. e,stion relates to witnesses who had been here, and
1.4.! go .er here. ra emitted at all ; will he undertake to swear
tie it none of those witnesses whisJosel not been examined
le ed g ... • hark to the north of Italy at the time IZastelli was
vent 111 Milan ? I know of one permn who was sent over
Isere aq a witness having keen vent hark to Italy. I know
of ou perms who has been sent hark. I have no recollection
of any it, limn who has heen sent over brie havinz been re-
turned to the north of Italy. If you can slate any thing to
knot it to my recollection. There are so many persons that
I cannot take upon myself to recollect retry
Koine I have never seen. . _

Will he take on himself to swear that ■t the time Rill-
Vett4 Fent back no other person employed as a emotion un-
der the Milan Commission bad ever gone from this country
to the north of Italy after the Dover riot, Krous, or any
whir person? After the Dover riot, certain' v.
The quo stion and answer was ordered to b, read ; when
Mr. Gurney canoe to the words, " under the Mil on Commis.
M►. Powell said, " You have not got it ' under the
Al dun Conomiasim, have yon ? Ido nut say under the Mi-
-lon Coniusission,for I consider it to have ceased its fonc.
lions upon the return of Mr. Cooke sod myself from Italy.
We arrived early in t►e moth of Jane 1819, having kit
Aldan and ceased to act in March 1919 Ido nut consider
myself since to have meted under the Aldan Commission.
The question relates as to persons employed as couriers
in relation to this Bill—the.ioestiou.relatesas to any per.
non employed as courier to go to the north of Italy ? err-
Kraus has been sent to that country since the Dover
not.

Will the wittiest' give us the names of sone of those pen.
sous who have so gore backwards and forwards? I know,
a, a courier. that Krems has-
Wid nut Krona brought ever some of tke witnesses Irons
tke north of Italy ? Yes.
Hite say other persons gone backwards and forwards
since the Dover skit to t►e aurtb of Italy ? Other persons
Late gone as cou►iers.
Did you know of Kress sad others baring so ►►turned to
Ilt%ly after the Dover riot al die time you sent off itasielli
did.

DiJ you also know of amen oilier persons basing rose ?
I dia.

I)id you mud any other courier besides Realelli to give
information and comfort to the families of the witnesses
health.' tlxse whom Kastrlli had heonght nave ? Letters
were taken Irons all the witnesses sod sent to Colour! Brown
at Milan by othe► couriers besides Ristelli.
Did you give any iusirsetions to Kraus when he went out
to &bleu to go to the families of the wituesses n. this coun-
try, to give them asseraweea oldie safety of their frauds ? I
du out reeolket. - _ . . _

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To whose did Neves take letters? To Colonel Brows.
Were ether coarsen pent wit? Yes.
Did they receive the same iustractioes as Ratitelli? I be•
line Ina •
W lip was cut Kroes instrected to go to the families? I
du out know that Colored Brown world seed Kraus. I had
heard that the families sad fries& of some of she witnesses
to this cuentry were dissatisfied and alarmed; the wife of
nue of the le II effete was apprehensive of the safety of her
'teemed, sud Itirstelli was instructed to satisfy her and
'Alter/ upon the safely of the witticisms now et maiaing is
E..elawd.
eau you give the mem aif that iodividpal? It was the wife
of ttestelli.
Did Coked Brow. soiree to you lies smarty of seed.
log Itaosetli to Italy?—
The fittleeitoe-Grteealobjrcletl to Au grestioo.
The L•aett Chaurellof ur.aitialtafti lODI so, infortlystioil
ef Wed ; from Colonel Draw, costalmil be received is mi•
dt ace, therebeee the question ought to he struck out.

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11Ir. Brotegimesaidiorcoly)yol 114. eioghtio. lit "904$
lion of the wit 'a evidespeet
The Lord Chouteettutr.As point Of form *4lPsideli MP"
to he pat throogb sae.
Di you not hum" that Ramenl Never saw tbosa midomaao
before he bronglit them over? I mood know that.
Have you read the missies of these pesceediost I
beard them as the evidence Was gives..
Do you not know that Rastelli has sworn that be did, oat
know any of the witnesses except by coming over with some
of them ? I eaglet's Ivies that port of hie evil/ma May re.
collection.
[The. part of ltastelli's (videos' dies alluded to was thee
read j
Did you nut hear the whole of Rastelli's evide,oce ? No,
for the people going in and out of the Home, caused such a
noise at limes, that I could not hear hear Lim The sends
ing of Itastellt to Italy was Not only for the pOrpose of car-
rying but to ..hew that be, as a vitae'', was safe,
and that be might be able to assure the families of the other
witnesses that they also were safe.
Watt Itastslli then to go round to the familiesof all the
witnesses at Milan? Yes, as far as be could, Tiller Calomel
Brown's direct ion.
How many wiUtes.ea tame over with Itastelli, from the
north of ltsty I cannot tell.
Col yiiit tell how mat; witnesses ran over from the
north of Itsly, in support of this
The Attorney General ohjemed to this qlest,ion.
111 r. Brougham said, it was a most simple tine, but be
WO not pies* it.
I).. VOll know whether ftnitelli remained the whole titre
in dos c..uutry after the riot at Dover? lie Vrck to Hula

Ilad lw inst siclions to tr,.l to Holland? I believe att.
Ihd lie go any where else? Ido not know.
Did be go to Milau ? I cannot tell; I gave him so io-
stritei ions ..to to do.
CIO you state Ilse instructions you gave Rastilli ? No,
not in roe preci.c words.
Dud ltasistli say any thing shoot acid
hr would come hack as oiono as lie could he certainly had.
instructions to remove the apprcheusions of the witnesses
who art. 1111VW1.1, and 11w falllilirs of those ar,lio pre here. and,
to convince them of their mildly and proper treatment ill
Oil country. I h.td no motive limos earth to synd Rsatelli
away, with a view of keeping him from this country; nor
if I 'bought this del:tv would have atisenicshoutlal I have
sent him for soy cousiderat too, as I look upoujoiu testimony
to be ..... material, should this Bill go to,the bar of the
House of CUIIIIIIOIIII.

14-examinrd by the At torney•Geseral.
Di,l'yon not hear her Majesty's Conned say be should Cot
call for the cross examinati .... of auy other ',Brien but Ma.
joceln ? I Mani Mr. Brougham say so.
Vas there any communication made to ruby the Qstern'a
Comowl, that they intended to call hack Itlasrelli; for the
purpose of again crosa-ex %mining him'. N 6, It there had
bran sorb commanteation made, I would not bare sent him
colt of the c, notry for any chosiderntion.
By the Earl of Donottglowore—Was not Bastelli one of
the o lionises at Doter the time of the riot I helmet he was,
bat I cannot say.
lord Kenyon was of opinion that this was out• evidence,
■s the trims' only spoke from hearsay knowl dice:
The Lord Chancellor was of opinion that it waarvitienee.
Was Itastelh Btu only witness at Dome •at the lime of the
riot, who was a courier ? 1 'anon, say front my WWII know.
ledge, as I do not know who were there.
The witnes. w.ts then ordered to withdraw.

The al r) of Lauderdale moved that the evidesee of Mr.
Powell should Ise ;mated separately, for the teamed Woe-
mation of their Lordships lie conceived it wig is descrip-
tion of evidesien that might nut to form a part of tbair regu-
lar prim...dings.

Earl Grey naked for the reasons fur this nttiest.
Lord FAA ine said, that the object of examisation was
to inquire if Mr. Falwell, by tending Bastelli out of the
country, contrary to the risk of the Mow, seas or was nut
guilty of a contempt of their Lordships Hinson, •nd if be
had, that he might be puoinheil fur his offence.
Tl.e Earl of lAuilerrlale said, that quOstions tad been put
In witnesses which wele illegal, and completety at cuisine,.
wish the practice of the Four Courts of Caw; to which he
understood it was the determination of the Hasse to sari
milate this proceeding as close as possible. Instead of the
House deciding what questions were nr were not proper to
he put, the Counsel were appealed to, and asked for their
wirier, and some of the Noble Lord* had mimicked the
violence of the counsel at the Bar.

E 411 Grey said, the expression of the Noble Lord (Lan-
dc.dile) was highly improper; los charging lie Nimble Lords
with tiont;cking the Ciiim.cl et the bar was extremely in-
decent. He (Earl Gres) would, howrser, Hike rare dewing
the whole remise of the proceedings to uvula that extrsor.
',ovary, temperate, and intim tial conduct of the Noble Earl
which he had manifested throughout this case.

Lord Doming',inure thought the ease *tight. to go in the
twin. godly or aol guilty. lie allowed the greatein latitude
ought to lw given to her Majesty to prove her inuocence. lie
maintained that his .asjesty'a Government were the pro-
secutors, find that they woold have been vainy of a den--
beton' of their duty if they hail nut stood forward in the
mintier the uec required. He dal• not art• how there
rould he any delicacy or releetanee in avowing this •mail-
fully ; but that being the fact, their Lordship* ought to be
especially cautious, when so great a power was arrayed uu
the one side, to throw 011,0 a dour for the defence as widely
as they could. His opi•tion was, that Ihe•exsminatiun of
Mr. Powell ought to form a part of the oblates, uul it, in
CIO, constituted a must materisl part.
The Earl of Carnarvon opposed the motion. ithat fare,
Ile asked,would their proceedings wear, if it shonlii be
adopted ? It would be this, that they had called a witness to
the bar, to ascertain a fact most intimately columned with
the procei dings—thnt they had examiweil shim theismelves.s_
called on the Counsel on both sides to take a part in his
examination—that they actually did so—hut that after all
this, they had come to a rcsolnt ion that the evidence of this
witui us made so pion of their own pnweedings, but was a
trifling incidental transaction, which each he bud no place
among them.
The lord Chancellor said, he ahonld not repeat what be
bad heard stated shout legal technicalities. It ritd not seem In
hint that this examination ought to he winted in the initiates,
and he should err: oboe a circumstance which wouhil rewire
the printing of it in a separate form mere 4[4111./.IIICIII to the
Mouse. He understood that if it wen peialed in the latter
music, it would be ready foe delivery to theiv,Lordsbips on
Monday morning, but if with lbe other proeeeelings ■t not
so early a period. In the course of what had been said that
day and yesterday, this was culled 1111 ssromskeua proroedisg,
bet ause it was partly judicial and partly -l.gwlmive. Ile
ainiutained that it was not an sintinslous proceeding; be-
cause, that the legislature of this conntry could eel in a jus
dicial character was a thing very well,kaoase, sod it Ire-
queutly had united boils fnuebiatia. He lbointht ilea aurae
nutlet &Wald be taken of that intemperate swat which some-
times broke out in the coarse of their diseassitriss. Therit
was oue species of inns, which, if it was to be called dos
gaence•, could only be explained by certain persons below
the bar. He hoped he await! Lear no More of ii. He
skunk! only add, that this evidence tomtit sot to be
printed in the minutes. When it should ha deliservil in the
'emirate form, it would hr guile competes. to say Noble
Lord to make any snobs,* respecting it he 'bought proper.
Mr. Powell's evidence was then ordered to be printed se.
perste from the inmates.

Joseph Planta, lisq.trru Ikon rolled fo the bar aid era•

mined by the Earl of Caroarvon-.
Are you Uudrr-Secretary of State iu Lord Castlerroglis
°Bier I IMO.

Du you remember any applicalion made to you by any
prrsou in the mouth of &Timber, for a parispoit fur a
currier Earned &Welk '! Yea, Mr. Pune!) came to nit is
the month of Sepienib!r, and told sue that he intruded lu
stud Raided' abroad as a courier, aud desired ore to Inks the
Darla, eleva fur that. purpose.
What d.d pus du in eulistquenee of shit application! A
paamourt was made use fur Itastellt, and 1 lstik tba eters
pruper fur 44 uttiug him abroad.
By shorn sae gloat .paupurt Opted? By, Lord Castle-
reagh. If I way Its allowed Cu explaik,o ooadaa of ligord
P'eu'refte are usuahly krpt it' the offier eduil fur swat sera•
iMi u, therefore it was one, of lbw aigneA iroaoloarta that oil
'used fur that pasoport.

Did you !AI ...toysomoicatiell. ta I.BNraOryeagh
derPeciiiit t tif p000pOrf? I did wolf •
Did lon, of your oro eels Ergot th,il piumpOrt 'for
OM, in co:id/gimes of Itte opylicotioe& of Mr. PMe4 !
bid.

Is it the practirrof the offiee for permute in yonr Dittos-
jigs•
!treat suchpssaports to course. without as imowe-
te lard Cistferrite'? It Is the couifinst—
:foment,. '
lied you received prom Lord Castlereagh or any other
..petamt nag-inattustiuma £ll graatirsg such passports to wit.
nesse., or persons who had attended at the her in the pro-
gress of this ? •I
had received no instructions what-
ever front Lord Castlereagh respecting witnesses or pemuns
who had attended at the bar in the progress of this Bill.
Nor from any other person? Nor from any other person.
Al the time you grimed this passport, did you know that
Rastelli bad been examisied as a witness at the bar of this
House on ibis occasion? Not officially knew it generally,
in the way that the proceedings of this house Income known
to the public. I hail Ow general knowlerke of it that one
obtains of the events of the day Gum the newspapers.
1)o you know what was the date of the passport? I be.
lieve the 14th of September.
Do you know whether the courier, Rastelli, was charged
with any dispatches froin the Foreign Office, or whether any
dispatches were given by Mr. P.,well? I think certainly not;
he had ao dispatches from the Foreign Office.
Do you know whether any passport was granted to any
other courier since, f .r the purpose of calling back Rastelli
I know that passports wer.• granted for other rouriere, but
what the object of their going might lw, I do nt.t k now.—
What I mean to say is, that I do nut know, of my owe
knos ledge, it was for the purpose of calling back Itastelli
tiny were granted.
The Marquis of I.snadown—ln what capacity did you
consider Mr. Powell? As an agent on the part of the pro-
secution.

The Eirl of Darlington—When lir. Powell made the ap.
plieation fur the ibasspurt fir Rag!, 111, did he mike ■t the
same time application for pasrporla fur other persons to re-
turn lu Italy ? I think certainly not.
The Earl of Darnley—Did Mr. Powell mike any ap.
plieatiun, at any Other time, for paesporls for other wit-
nesses ms the part of the pruseciitiou to go *wt.)? Certainly
1101.

A Peer—W, re yon acquainted with the order of this
noose respecting the witnesses? I merely knew it iu the
way one knows passing crents—by the papers.
The followiwz queslious were i.ul by Mr. Brougham,
through the Lord Clianeellur:—

At the time you say Air. Powell made the application to
you fur the pasport for 'tastelli, dill lie say any thing else to
you respecting 'tastelli's going back As far as I recollect
he mention( d sum, lino:: almost ItAstelli's hying a proper
persou to go hack to Italy, to cattily the families of the
wuluctuwe here—lle Mule some stale meat of that sort, but
I don't recollect the puticulars—it was uut my butiuem to
atiewl to it.

Whether he said •ny thing else? I don't recollect that
he slid

Does he recollect whether he sa:d that Italiclli had been
examined &A a witness heir
[%Vc could 111/i hear the answer.]
I'Vlirihrr glum was any person else in the room when Mr.
Miry!! was ' There might have been others; greyt
numbers of per))))). runic tutu the office; Mr. Powell came
in awl .tayetl fur a Own time—there might have hero others,
II is very likely. - .

Whether pasoporis have been wade oat fur other couriers
since the 14th &viewhes ? Yea.
Dues he wean runs ices going on the business of the Bill ?
Certainly.
What was the date of the earliest of these passports?
That I certainty cannot tell.
HUM ►uun eau you take upon you to say a p issport was
grinder' after the l'ash Sertenaher ? I scatty don't know—l
don't keep the books of the passports granted ; alt 1 do is
to give the orders fur making out the passports.
Wby dues he out recollect the slates of the other pass.
ports with as much accuracy as that of the Gest, of the 14th
Septentlon ? In consequence of what passed yesterday, I
isicertaiued list night, from tlw proper official person, tl•at
the date of that was the 14th, previou►ly 1 had ou knowledge
of the date.

The witness withdrew, baying previously (we understood),
undertakers to ascertain awl communicate to the !louse the
dates of the subsequent passports.
The Earl of Carnarvon observed, that the Muse now
aloud in a different situation from that in which it was
placeai when he had made his last motion. By the examina-
tion of the two last vaitiiesse., the material fact had come
oat, that kastelli had Iteeu melt oat of the cosintsy by one
of the awaits for the Bill—und.r these eiecumationees, he
should submit this motion, to which he hyped there would
be uo objectiem' viz —Vitt her Majesty's Counsel be called
to, and informed that Rai:tette had 611'11 sent abroad on the
public &eerier, sod then asked, whether, emir, these circeine-
stancee, they were ready to proceed with any colic: part of
her Majesty'. rear?
The Lord Chancellor was most decidedly of opinion, that,
though it might be sight to call its her Majesty. Counsel,
moll inform them of Rasielli'a having been 114.111 abroad, yet
no question should 4 C put to them. If Counsel at tier bar,
011 lrarniug that itaidelli was aliment, had thought proper to
apply fur delay, and to state that they were enable to go or
with the rest of their case in consequence of his absence,
it would then leave been the deity of the 'Loom to hear the
reaswis of Counsel uu both aisles, fur and against this appli.
cation, and theta pronounce their own decisiem. It would,
in his opinion, be establishiug a most daligerwis precedent
to call on Commit to say whether they were prepared to pre-
med. Him opinion was, that Counsel should be called in,
and simply be told, that Itiestelli was absent ; leaving it to
themselves to make any application they might deem proper
in consequence of that communication. His Lordship then
mused as au amendment, to leave out the latter winds of
the motion.
Lend Carnarvun said he should leave the matter to the
sense of the Hume, rather than take any step himself with
respect to the amendment.
Tele amendment was then agreed tu.
A Peer moved, that the wends "mm the public service" be
omitted.

The EArl of Caruarvon would not object to the proposed
change, bait lie thought it most material that the communi-
cAtiou should ►kew iu what warmer Rostrlle had lift the
country, and that he had nut teleacunded, otherwise the
Counsel nimbi be uninformed of the evidence to the face.
Lord Liskine (we belitee) winced the communication to
stand shoe: " That it Appears on the evidence of Mr.
that ktaslelli had beets scut abroad ou the public service."
The Earl of Liverpool thought that it shush! also slate
the Lot of Rastelle being detained abroad by a fever.
Lord Ilullaud said, It seemed to him preposterous to in-
form Counsel of tvidewee, all of which they had hood, and
part of which *had come out ou their own examluatioo.—
(Hear)
The Earl of Liverpool quite agreed with the Noble Baron
who bad spoken last. The House bad involved itself i■ a
didlculey, and the only way which appeared to him for gel.
hug but of it was to mike 110 CtilllMUUlCilitlli whatever to
the Counsel, but inertly call them in.
The Marquis of Lauselosse obsessed, that the form of
communication last proposed would imply that the House
approved of what had been dune with regard to Rastriti. It
wa., therefore, nut satisfactory to him.
After a few words from the Lord Omar-ellen, the Queen's
Counsel were simply called a.
Mr. Broughams re qiiesieelthat their Lordships would allow
himself and his Learned Filen& to adjourn fur a quarter of
an hour, that they might 1)01 be obliged ho come to a deci.
Moo us a point which bad occupied the atteusiou of their
Lordship* so lung, sod which was so impartaut, without
some previous cousideratiou.
The Used Chancellor said, certaialy Ole [louse would mot
refuse so fraiuslable a segues..
l'hOluisse they adj d about a quarter of as ►our
before tiro o'clock, during pkosotr.
At Ave ustruies pasi v*04;61441' the Counsel for her Ma-
jesty returned to the WV.
The Lord assecelks directed the Cooped no the other
side to be called in.
Mr. Droughani thee said, My !Aids, in the extraorlli.
nary ciressoatances in which I Sad that we are
under the almost losupetabis dillieWkies with which we are
surrounded, I (ccl it to be intrassibk to avow to yoir Lord.

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by Dr. Luabingion.
leralvat pnelot linli_alamm the minas rmsally marls A -
Ilse Baena.
How Tong has he resided there! In my own parish thiryy.
five years in the place where I work by day fourteeu years.
Is the imneta the name of the el It is
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Ark him if he has resided ur I;amii.al the Llamas since the
Thinness of Wales seaided there I k M foul-stip nem. that, I
have dwelt in the house.
D.w he remember the Princess of Wales residing in that
house I Yes, Idu; by night and by day.
Ask him of what trade ur OCCII pit lll. is A carpenter.
Ask him dim knows Gisiseppc R.o.telb t I. do.
Was Itastelli in the Queen's seivice Ile wag a courier
at Rause.

Ask him if he knows Louisa Demon., a ehansherniairt in
the service (If the P 4 Weer.* ? I irks.

AA hits ithe remrinber.. iu the cilium* of last rue., Ros-
h:Hi mush* to the Barons ? I olio reiswintwr.
Hy whom was Kbytelli oirensiminied ? He claw tuigt thrr
with the um of the hem' insole,.

%Vag lk t with ftesteili at that lime' Derrtost eAme
in WU an Inuit in a est riazti with aunt her pera.n.
Were 'Castel!' and Denton' tug• slier in the Inmate They
►ere.

Mk hint what he Low gamelli do u ith Ikettont on that
°evasion ? I saw them make a tittle ihnwiuc up

Did Haelrlli, cm leaviug the liumv, utlrr or give the wit-
ness suy money ?
The Ititurney.General—What did ilastelli du ? Your's
is • leading question.
Mr. Deutuaii—To he Burr, it ought to he a Icadiag gives_
t' . Katielb bad denied haviog opined any one motley to
come as a witness.

The ler.l Chaueelior urdarea the qaestina to he put.
(tact uskod me if I bed rterivtd any prescut» from the
prviess rrhn bad c•mie to the blouse. .1 said tau ; and Iw
afterwards made me a present. _ _

Of w hat amount ? He made me a ',mama of furry franca,
two Napolimo* or forty femurs.
Ita•teili ray any thin; respecting Dentout thew when
Ire ga.e you
The Atiornry.Gesseral said that could not he evidence.
Thu Lord Chancellor .seggested, that the Cou•&rl ought
to confine bilowlf to the encourstantea into oil
the ex.iiiinAliota of Itaistelli ; the irsesieti would Own he
nut " slid he sitiVr you any nsnuey ?" but '• slid he offer you
mosey to come as a aitntes ?"
Dr. Idishissclon acid, that his denign was to have followed
up the reanimation by putting that very fisiebleti next in
ni sit r.

Did he offer you any money to induce you to become •
witnesa Ile did offer use money on another day, but on
Shit day he offered me nothing; it was tlOl on that day, hut
he told Ml' once if I had something to depose against the
Print, is, I stsnolol ieceive a great present.
Mien was it he told you lion you should receive this veal
prevent it you bad any thing to depose *gamy. the Prim;
erns f No, I said, I have oohing To pay against her Nla-
jesty ; and I had nothing to say bat to via ak well i.f ber
AO; him to state, at nearly :i lie cos, the exact words
Rastelii natd when lie told him that he should receive •
great !present if lie bad any thing to depose against the
Prince'. of Wales? " Pome," he told me, " Pomo., if yam
like you may make your.tif • tnan." I nOgeil him
what lie
meant ; " You who have always lived in the
house el ay and night, you may have s 1111 l ribing 1u depuse
against her Royal Highness," I said that I bad nothing In
do:roar against that Lady, except that she lead always dune
a great deal of good.
%Vas Demon, present on that occasion She was not.
Did Kaatelli mention the name of Denitnit on that tic.
casion-

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1 lir Attorney-Getwrol oi.jecttd to any lisiog couitecieti
with Deinout being &drained, as the witiess had said that
she WWI not present.
The Lord Chancellor overruled the oljeetion._

Lind Erik tut said, that there was evicttiter offered of Rao.
trlli liriug at cui rapt tied profligate •gent ut the Mihroi
from whose informal WU gibe 11111 hail mtge.
Their lordships as re, tlitlefore, bound to Mil,*
that evoleuee—subject, of cuus.me, lu euntrathcatow, if there
W. re any means of sit &Ill.":
The Lard Chancellor said, skit the only reason which
made it uecessary to receive this evidence was, that Rasielli
w. 1,1 alisent, and they see re bl/nod to receive that which would
have hers received hail Itsstellt been 1111:01.0, II was
nut from any fault of the Counsel agents( tbe Mill that Ra►
it Ili was nut premed.
Did linstelti, at the time e.f makiox this offer, mention the
name ut Denoting to you . . .

The Atioraey-General was again alinut to object, when
the witness proceeded iii his reply—No—itecause—
The Lord Chancellor •ii II pied tree answer, mid raid,
that if the Compel for the Itill wtokell to have the quart
dhorinweil, their landalsips would bear thew.
The Sulic .-Gentral said that at was ruureest•ary, as t►e
sliver 11.Lti bono r i yeti. .

Mr. liraugliatmdenied that the answer had been given to
any elf. et which could alter the necessity far going into the
argument, which, he professed, his Learued Friends were
ready to du.
The Counsel for the Bill declined troubling their Lord.
stiipv with the objec
The witness proceeded with the answer: No, because it
was a few days after be lied this conversation with me—
The Solicitor-General, will t wishing to trouble their
lordshipv, protest. d against the question. It had been se.
kisuuleilgtd that the question emild not he poi if Rastedi
had hero present.—(This was promptly deuied by the Contu-
se! on the other side, and by tone or two of the Pura.;,—
Well ilwo, it had been admitted that if Rash.lli Md been
prmetst, the question could not have been put until the
foundation were laid on Restill's contradiction. Now, as to
Ratitelli's ItllhellCP, and the injury which the other side Might
suppose themselves to suffer by it, it was competent in them
to make what ■ppticatiou they pleased to their Lordships in
consequence of it. Lott he dud say, that it was pregnant
with the greatest danger to allow the witness to depose to
what had token place 'between himself and Itowielli, with the
knowledge in his mind that Rastelli was nut littoral to con-
front I

One of the Peers—" Bow dues he know that '?"—rOrder,
order.)
Ile had been asked, how did the wituesa know that Ras.
Sethi was not there? It was enough fur hire to know that
it wan partible for the witness to know that Bastelli was
absent ; sod that circumstance, if so, was likely to operate
most powerfully on Ilse mho' of the witness. As to Km-
telli b..iug called a encrypt end profligate evidence, *he
begged leave to saw, that there was no proof of that as yet
before their Lordships. Metall bad, on his oath, denied
any agency, such as lie adoliseed to have brew sworn to on
the other aisle, hut stick as would be entirely contradicted.
But he wished to know low any wee could take opal him-
self to say that Itartelli was a corrupt and profligate agent,
until the conclusion of the inquiry. The Camosel on the
other side were at liberty, if they choose, to make an applies.
lan to their Lordships to postpone farther reansiostions
till Itastelle's return. But the plan they were pursuing was
pregnant with the greatest danger to the interests of justice.
Mr. Denman said, that be and his Iluisuaratee Friends
were ,wt bouuJ to wake ary •pplication at all to oleic
Loidships, but to pa, sue the I'OI4IVC which they were
hie. He could
called Bagatelle they did it with uu auurledge of Bastelle's
simmer, awl with the full eipeciatioa, as in the ease of
klajocchi, that he would be iussueslistely produced, rsey
had in spirit actually She grime-is before they leaflet that be
had beau spirited sway. It wis rot, however, their bed-
PM to snake any application fur the prnrat us that ac.
count. That which they were then doles; accorded with the
strictest roles of evidence. fluorin had sworn that be had
nut acted as an agent to the Milan Cunsesissiois ; be had
sworn that he offered so mow y, nor wed any aria to Mance
persona to appear as witoesers wisest the Queen. They
offered elideiscs to contradict these ossertious, and !eating
so they were about 10 skew is whit uouraer kostelli
ward his iodutenients, .sanely, by a recessive to 1100 nine!
of Deasoist. Hit siould make as aiskisadversion 00 the pr,t.
Liable effect of Ibis testistrioy is eke result. Fir the present

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