The Sun.
London, England, 1855-03-17 00:00:00

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ERIAL PARLIAAIE

ROUSE OF OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
Ile it ROYAL ASSENT.
lik„, oyal Assent was given by commission to the
C° bilk viz.:— the Exchequer Bills (17,183,000 e);
Mu-
-1 raen Law Procedure (Ireland) 'Bill ; The 1e,,e_8,, the Marine Mutiny Bill ; Tea Duties Decline.
IQ lon 13111 ; the Secretaries and Under-Secretaries
e till.
leresl4rds' Commissioners Were the Lord Chancellor,
Theitrre.7 of Alderley, and Lord Monteagle.
l'I) L°r(ithips then adjourned during pleasure.
4Le"()RD CRANCELLOR took his seat oo the wool-
lr,i "" o'clock.
4ottiii LisriAFTESBURY presented petitions from
hleierm and other places, praying for the closing of
Lori ouses during the whole of the Sabbath.
kften IrtIONTEIGLE moved for a continuance of the
heti °' Penny e armee issued to the different newspa-
keP to the sth of Jannary, 1355.—Agreed to.
~.i°llo, 41, ef ALBEMARLE presented a petition
i'llith.4'°l, Praying that the war might be prosecuted
e utmost vigour.
Tab
rir,
ORSES SHIPPPED TO THE EAST.
!kribe44ll of ALBEMARLE moved for a return of the
il',.°lhorses shipped to the seat of war by her Ma-
", '' Government in sailing or steam transports, for
kttltPorposes, during the year 1854 ; the amount of
e„„,,ag,e of, and the number of horses conveyed in,
le, 47e" ; the number of horses that died on the pas-
-114"" were rendered unserviceable in each vessel ;
`tablitll:,average expense of the conveyance of each horse.
e lord stated that his object in bringing forward
'it tole°t was, if possible, to persuade the Minister of
desist from the present method of shipping
end, at least, to give a trial to the plan adopted
!4 Re contended that the system of shipping
.Present pursued by the Government was the
that could be by any possibility adopted. The
't , isuffered immensely from the cruelty ; it
7.f '"as to the country, and utterly unneces-
.the services required. The difference be-
the
Bail system pursued by the Government and
was in two points--the one was that the cavalry
"14.0 only allowed a width clear, while the horses
at gull were allowed 3or 4 feet. It might be
that by giving double the space to each horse
ti4'"ld be a double expense. He thought. he would
~ show satisfactorily to their lordships that the
11,13dending the Hell system would be one-third less
11ye
_evernment. The other point of difference was
libijavalry horses were never allowed to lie down.
serenot what the length of the voyage was, the
'!.ere never allowed a moment off their leis. In
'se na-the expenses of the system followed Go-
iie,,,t, there ' was, first of all, a platform to
' -le,d, upon which the horses were to stand,
"4.,1eb were raised pillars, posts, and
each horse found itself wedged in
The
rails so tightly that it was hardly able to
14;h.'''he Government were also put to great expense
T''ehase of sheepskins and other contrivances to
14,' horses from being chafed by friction. When
caidered how many horses died on the passage
ethethe treatment they had received, ha thought
;71 of itself was a fact greatly in favour of
a; qatena. The noble earl then referred to the
Cthe system under which a greater space was
to:horses on board, and accommodation afforded
1114 13', ing don and eeded to show that, takin
q,ii Into conswideration,pr oc
there would positively be g a
ted the Government and the country of more than
ht,,.er the expense that they were subject to under
tt e_gt system. The noble earl then concluded by
sa the best places for embarking ho:ses were
1 ' and Plymouth, as none of the difficulties he
ett, there existed.
;5,,,,t1 of LUCAN agreed with the noble earl that
!iteeßbould be conveyed as far as possible by land.
ri rrfectly ignorant of what was called the Hull
Isirld until the last few days he had never heard
it,;', agreed with the noble earl that every horse
Oeilit,to the power of lying down. He also agreed
„, that there was a great loss sustained by the
I..4gest in the number of horses which they con-
lie,l'reportion to the tonnage of the vessels ; for
Proportion
Was considerably above 10 tons for a horse,
Sitteri ble earl stated to be the average in the
telit; no
but the noble earl had argued as if it was
4 4 °lv. of the Government to ship all the horses
0 th,l4,,liing vessels ; he hoped it was nut the case ;
1tN1,,-"_,Zht that the experience of the last twelve
tlltti;gu thesmall number of losses which had arisen
Oro it,itaecessive voyages made by the steam yes-
ilt..s4l7:llhow the greaCnecessity of employing steam
C'elh"nittlie did not know of a single case in which
I ik
I Ito el had lost a large number of horses.
,ii.fet thr?(ISI memory only, but he believed it to be
117; th,,,,,,t the Simla did not lose more than five
,e'clte,.," "litnalaya, which carried above 400 horses,
t7o, -'•;:. ; the Jason, out of 237 horses, lost only
6,ee ,'",, believed th'at nothing could be more per-
ivl4o taking up, by the Government, of the
emot ", P. Thug within the last 12 months, they
ni:ll4Y carried 'the British cavalry, but the rench
1.1e.8.°, Ylgether with a large number of transport
4qo", a if they took the average that had been
1 141k1 be found that it was not one per cent.
well
1
11114, '' at where a system had worked so i
4i very hazardous to adopt a new system which
hid Cot understand.
IN:A_ N.MIJRE said that, if the only question at
k), " to the comparative merits of steam and
easels as transports, he entirely concurred in
4"' of the noble earl who spoke last. There
et no doubt that if steam vessels were at their
1, with capacity between decks, the length of
pk elge would be much shortened, and the suffering
(thorses would be much less than in sailing vessels,
it fittings and accommodation would be much
complete. But the noble earl seemed to think
it'as transports, of which the Government availed
could, at its own control, command steam vessels
ttlel/4'4Pose of conveying the horses. He wished
kb% ‘l.O disabuse the mind the noble earl, and that
%.i.Z`'lle, as to the number of steam-vessels at the
Ski' of the Government. The Government took
rtif the
as they could, having reference to the na-
,tol4lue service they were called upon to perform ;
A:Meting the vast number of horses which had
L'aeci: Which would still have to be, conveyed from
‘te4trY ter the seat of war, some sailing vessels
s eeessit be employed. The question was whe-
-414.4 WhichY
4 he had been called the
Hoyt eadopted, or that system which had been car-
M altader the auspices and directions of the best
ti7.,,e' es, should be continued. He understood
ter of the " Hull system" was to take a vessel
Ottillu° tons, and strip her altogether 'tween decks
1 to stern. She was then fitted up with refe-
-4,441)' te*
IL ekt
dof thebat
ehvourrsetsottobbee
numberput on
Without%we,retuannyereeugmair)anwy •
them. Those horses,
mood, were shipped as a matter of traffic
i'..,ept 'tattlers at home and purchasers abroad ;
tit it'°re than four or five men accom-
,de eta 100 horses. He understood the room
It 144'erses by the Hull system was 4,_i feet,
~ „the Government system it vas only
lt,t'ketlL.,'lsat it was clear the Government system
-"bit of more horses being shipped than the Hull
l!ilth,7 the Government system horses could never i
N;b'eXtt/ by the Hull system, the moment bad
\M tll- 'n the horses rolled about. He was in-
,,ttllthe Clement the storm was passed, and the mo-
V.tot:yessel became less inconvenient to horses,
Yiti,Y few days they experienced far greater relief
~-,.,,i40,„el were enabled to lie down. He had a return
'IL tlli", Which stated that year the total number of
it,l4tt"Pul3cd was 3,100 in sailing vessels and steamers.
V4ih'''2 Were lost, being about 3i per cent.. of the
lei
in steamers, and of those in sailing trans-
It 4 sing an average of 3 4-sths per cent. The
1.44.'1,3th of the passage of steamers was 16 days—
g:ttie,l'lrlie vessels 39 days. This clearly showed that
11,4 -44 of carrying by steam-vessels was far to be
ee,;''''',,that of sailing' vessels ; but when steam-
, ti.m..-"la not be obtained, and sailing vessels could
11:Plec:,'11.se to, he maintaied that, according to the
kZ441"),-'11; by the return he had read, he thought
NI h"° reason to find fault with a system by which
14_4 e:seett enabled to carry horses a distance of 3,000
iy4 kLarnall a loss as 3i per cent.
hid filt-;' of LUCAN again rose and said he believed
f,,,44Y horses were 14 days or three weeks at sea,
ilk;4,lr,Z irlipeseible to work them again for a Form-
:l6 „"e• He had known a great many cases in the
VALl,eti3 in which the horses suffered from fever in
kl'tiZtl"llEt',ef two detachments sent after Lord CardBio-
- in the Dobrudscha—of that party,
11/4Vei i,i3 Royal Dragoons, and 12 of the 11th, never
ili.. th zr°lll the effects of fever. in the feet. He
11,17 t ef, a Government had a sufficient steam power
ef44"eltnand, if they had made proper use of it. If
ti4illtti seat to Balaklava harbour, he would under-
144eY that they would find steam-vessels that
ad
Itit. a very large force of cavalry at Constant'.
Nbier the next six weeks. Why could not the
ttittlil cut bring home the Jason, the Simla, the
1/4\l/4 ti;'ae3r were of no use at Balaklava ; nobody
\ttre,,,e,ail there. He did not think the Government
It -"4OW those vessels to remain idle in Balaklava
I\ll%tii,/ii,i,
iVike j° of CAMBRIDGE—I entirely agree with
Neto eltd (Lord Lucari) as to the disadvantage of
%Nl' carrying horses by sailing transports, but
ILNti ),"eIP thinking that some arrangement might
-711 t 0 Which some of those large steamers might
'.'tst," earry those horses, and I think a little ar-
-I,Ytii,„t would enable us to carry them with more
LL lit '''' sailing vessels. The Himalaya was only a
ik4
Nt,,,i,.. °/). the voyage, and at an average of 39
lieti: - 'tight make two or three trips in that
16,4 ty ~ therefore, do hope you will permit me
Alt, to ° empress upon my noble friend the a lvan-
a ktti ue derived by a regular course of steamers.
't,'',4,,hte,,,, lies the whole difficulty. (Hear.) I think
11:1'141°114,,, " have one steamer every fortnight to teary
Olio; With reference to what fell from my noble
'deg, :,(Leril Panmure), as to the horses sent out
Ili • -,!,"Ps last year, I happened to he Inspector-
tt4M j _devalry at that time ; I inepected those. ,t-es-
ii. ry11...,,,Qad the advantage of having an interview
LtSlleod:°odwin. I never saw the Hull system, but
TM 01 explained to me that by that system the
tti,'ltilei, teen cleared so, that thus room was found for
~, ta4tlely, i'„clie down. Now, I beg to submit that it is
,11:14-eauonvenient at sea that a large space should
144" il'ette I.ou must carry dragoons and all their
i`it, -; theref • h e' I don,t wi=b to give an
011 44,4 e 0. me; t "-n .ei ee ie.- ieti;. I. do
pt.:‘,44.0., • - ..,,, !. .n• . -_ . .
.-,
11114,1. .tl'ar',, ..', i, ' '',' i !,! ,y.',',' !, .10t well
k; Were'k' -,„,=. ..-• tIl ~-t • .1 ;11:;,.: • . if,,, they
ileeat 4," well fitted as any ships could he. There
lilipe i'ellee between battens and ehingles in
'• and I must say I prefer the shingles ; but