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THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

mending economy to him, and telling lino that he must con-
fine his ex pences within his allowance, year. These
were the Noble Lord's prudent instrtictious to Mr. Sydenhatti,
vet within ten days after, Willthlit 7114 V i:Ith1111:16011, the No-
ble Lord and his Colleagues appointed the !tight lion. Gent.
Ambassador Extraurdiiiary to Lislion, with an allowatic of
14,00111. a year. Here, with this allowance, the Right lion.
Gentleman continued at Lisbon, till lie had ITCCieed 18,0001.
of the public motley, for doing nothing, except, indeed,
making a neat speech to the Factory at Lisbon. Here he
contioned till the eyes of the pnbtic were completely opened,
and till the Right Hon. Gent, Was still better provided tar.—
After some further oleic' vations,, In nhich the lion. Member
imputed to Ministers a wish to withhold information on this
subject, he concluded by moving three Resolutions, the firm
of which was put by the Chair, and stated, that on the I fdli
of July, 1314. Lost% casttereagli, by ha Royal Highness's
it tote to tel Sydenham, our then Envoy at Lisbon,
communicating 40 hint his Royal Highness's commands, that
he should confine the expense of kis mission withili the limits
of his oisnal income, 52:101. it year ; awl stating, that at pre
.cut his Royal Hightie-s foresaw no probability (daily cir-
cumstance occurring which could call l'ur any increase of ex-
penditure on his pat t.
Lord CasTkEttkaGit said, the question to he discussed was,
as lie understood it, whether the appointment o f his Hight
Hon. Friend had been necessary ; and Whether it had been a
la-islt expenditure of the public money; and if the ease stood,
really, as the lion. Gent. had pot it, then indeed it was
what he had called it ; but he trusted he should be able to
give it a very diffetent feattne in the eNpiattation Whills he
should have to give to the House : and first, with respect to
the salary which had been assigned to his Right Hon. Friend,
it had been stated at 14,1001. whereas in fact it was only-
ti,atial. the remaining sum was taken nominally as for contin-
gencies. Mr. Sydealtam was a minister of a second-rate, Mr.
was a minister of the first role ; Mr. Spit:nitwit was
Envoy to the temporary Regency of Portugal, Mr. Canning
was appointed ,liiiliassailor to the Sovereign of the Country,
mid sent to welcome him on his iettien to Liirope. It was
therefore 11111hill' to draw a comparison between the two ap•
pointinents. With respect to the return of the l'rince Regent
of Portugal, it was at this period very much desire el, from
political motives, as his absence very much embarrassed the
um, ements and politics of the Europe: .n Powers. It was
held by his Majesty's Government liolitie and rieiii, that a
compliment should be paid to the Prince Pegent of Portugal,
to congratulate him on his return. Would the lion. Gent.
argue, that his Alajesty's :Ministers had not an expectation Of
the Prince's returnr would they say, that it came within the
pounds of probability. that his Majesty's servants should think
it necessary to appoint his Right Hint. Friend an Ambassador,
to fit out a fleet, and to send it a-cross the Atlantic, with no
other object than that of obtaining the aid and support even
of Ins Right Hon. Friend ?—a Ice gh.—Wottlil they have
adopted such a coarse to gain Iris support ? It was an idea
too ridiculous to argue. - !bar, hear ! It had been asked, but
why did the appointment take place at so early a period ?
Should it mot lit recollected that some time was necessary far
his Right lion. Friend to make his preparations; with it' con.
trary winds and weather had not intervened to prevent Ad-
miral Berest.ord tiom sailing at the time his orders called on
him to sail. his Right Hon. Friend would not have had too
muck time in reason for making his preparations. The Noble
Lord concluded by moving the previous question.

Sir F. Boomer was not at all satisfied or convinced by the
explanation of the Noble Lord, %lei, with all his great talents
at confusing subjects. hod tailed to cenfuse Ibis, which was a
tratisactimi clear to every one's perception. With respect to
to the Right lion. Gentleman a Ito sat next the Noble Lord, he
(Sir F.) recollected, that on one occasion, that Right Hon.
Gentleman hail told his Constituents, that on no terms could
he come into office with the Noble Lord, consistent with his
honour. Now be had always been led to believe that what a
Gentleman tun not do consisteot w ith his honour, he could
not do at all. Hut the Right Hon. Gentleman had some how
or other got over that diffienlity, and bad even forgotten, or
excused the incapacity of the Noble Lord of which he had
previously talked so 1111 l ch.—//air, hear I The fact vi as, how-
ever, that the Noble Lord wanted the Right Hon. Gentle-
man's services, anti the Right Hon. Gentleman had services to
dispose of. Fortunately at this period the Noble Lord had a
place amongst the Ministers of the first order vacant, and the
Right Hon. Gent. had talents at the Noble Lord's service, and
wit ready to till up the vacancy.--(A laugh.) The only un-
fortunate ciremnstanee was, that when the Noble Lord came
down to night to explaiu the transaction to Parliament, he
failed in every point. The lion. Baronet contended, that the
appointment was considered out of doors a most scandalous
job ; and varnish it as Ministers would, an inch thick, it was a
scandaious peculation on the public tease. He hoped the
eyes of the country would be open to the necessity of putting
an end to this species of jobs ; and for this reason he should
support the motion.
Sir J. Beaeseoeu stated, that the Prince Regent of Por-
ingal had desired him to wait at the Brazils. lo rug desirous to
go to Lisbon whenever opportunity offered, for lie soon ex-
pected all arrival. After waiting snore time the Honourable
Officer again applied to the Prince to know when he would
be ready to go. It was not till the end of April the Prince
gave hi. final answer.
Mr. CANNING began by saying, that with respect to the
Hon. Barmiet's. assertions, he trusted he should be able to
convince the House that lie was not guilty of the charges so
broadly stated, The Government had been clrirgiri as ilk
having, for certain fraudulent purposes, availed themselves
of the pretext that the Prince Regent of Portugal ititemieil to
return front the Brazils (to Lislem ; and, secondly, that the
Mi -sion with which he ball le-en tetresteil, was cite of im-
mense prodigality. The Right Hon. Gent. lime (amed into
an examination of the Doetteneini furnished, and now on the
table ; and referred to the dispatch of Lord Bathurst, in re-
spect to the expected return ill the Prince Regent aunt she
Brazils. On the 2Stit Aug. tic received the letter from Lord
Liverpool, at Ma nehester, intimating the intentien, and ex-
pressine the eindident belief, that he would really return.
At tha' time he (Mr. C.) eetertained Ito doubts of the proba-
bility of the Prince Regent's return. tie had, to be situ.,
he:u•d doubts in the city, on the sultject ; Lint when the Prince
desired a certain Commandi r to tonvoy him home, then, if lie
had any lituld. they wwild have been removed by- the testimony.
of Lord strangford. Beside-, Government were in toossessio:.
of previous information. of the 211tli Feb. by an autograph
letter ti•onn the Prince Regent, winch kit tin doubt tin the
'nimbi or the British Government as to the wish of his Royal
Highness. 'the first cotnimmieation he had with his Noirk
Friend on the subject was, he believed, on the 9:1, Aug. and
the next intimation war, as he already stated, on the 28th
Aunt. In the month of Sept. indeed, he was a private sup-
pliant at the Admiralty for a ship, to carry his family lo !Am-
non, and a p,ivatehUllSe was taken for him in that city. He
Mid aliallso UN Howe UM Ilia iinincuian „Wb Ming Utat

MAY 12.

the Poore liegCllt %oft return to Lisbon, and he had re.
ceived a communication through the Poi tognese Guveinment
to the same ethict. Oa the tith I.f 31artil., lot the first thee,
that doubt was removed, and un the t Loh of April he I eceiredl
his recall. If the Punier. Regent had returned, lie believed
he could have effected sonic good, particular, ly on the subject
of the Slave 'l'rade ; for he carried out with hint instructions
iroin Government, and exhortations out of number from a re-
spectable Friend, a Member of this House, a warm advocate
for the abolition of the Tiade in Slaves. lo failiog in the
object of his mission, the failure arose flour the incapacity of
the Power to grant the demands. The Hon. 11...ronet had
talked of every 111:111 having his price; but how %viand he
judge of the c :st of an Embassy ? Experience ea the one
hand, and rapt!" intent on the other. He (Mr. C.), before ac-
cepting the mission, had applied for a definiti.in of
Hr mid it letter from liiinse;f to show that be had dime so,
isesiring that his es peaces might be limited, and not placed
upon a par with the expenditure of Sir Charles Stewart
whose oir•goi ogs, though large, were not more than neeessai y.
In April 1812, and endinz April lel3, his expe Imes were ex-
tramiliontry, 26,/001. in addition to a salary 0152001. From
Apt il 1815 to April 1814, the expences of *Sir Charles were
31.2001. Mr. C. then stated the expenses of 31r. Sydenhain
and Mr. Casamajor ; the latter Gentleman living in a private
manner, keeping no suite, and yet spending 1001. per u et k--
so said Mr. Sylleitham. When he (31r. C 1 got to Lisbon, Mr.
Casainajor resided in his house, so that he had two Casansa-
jors, which made up the 10,0001. per autumn of the money ;
end yet Mr. Casamajor was an eciniomical man. Tilt' Right
Hon. Gent, here complimented the 111(.111ely of Mr. Seden•
ham' the Painee of Economists as he called hnu : and read
the letter of that Gentleman, which is aiming the document,.
that Gentleman lived for three weeks in the same retired
manner as Charge d'Affaires, and reveived hallo years saiiity
15001. for outfit, and 11001. for his journey to Lislimi, and
terwards for losses 20001. The total of Sir C. Steam t's ex-
pences was 32,0001. and for the half year intervening between
Mr. Syilenhani and Mr. Canning something mole than :1001.11.
He then went into an explanation of the mission immediately
connected with himself. Having proceeded to Lisbon, under
die restriction of 60001. per annum allowance. WllllOlll know-
ing how far tlv.t sum would ; but with a desire to try— this,
with an allowance of a Water sum, made the whole slim no-
minallyB,2ool. and this sum he intemfed should be sufficient
for till purposes—so help him God ! But lie Could there were
deductiona at home mountable to the late of 28 per cent.: so
that he was compelled to forego the line Nhich he had chmkt d
not for himself. The total amount of the allowances was
11,7001. His Agent haul received one (prat ter's allowance of
the 6,0001. which he directed should be returned to the Trea-
sury without any previous knowledge that his mission would
form the subject of Parliamentary cut-wiry. Aitout the be-
ginning of April he revels ed Ulf' first of a series of loose Intl-.
mations of the improbability of the Pi incea retni n ; and the e
on the loth of April he wrote to the Government at home in
that respect, tendering his resignation, shooed the fact to- n
out so. lo answer to this letter, he' was deiii ed to remain;
and here be wished the House to recollect that the war then
broke out, and he stood on a different footing, for he might lay
el^iin to the whole oldie-sum recommended by the Committee.
'Flip battle of Waterloo took place; and Portugal and himself
being secosidary considerations, his rein' II 60111 Ins embassy
became a matter of rimiest.. Having stated thus 111111'11, lie
Would sit kletvo folly satisfied that the House is otlid ;myna
kimi. He then distended Moist It !tom tie. imputation of hay-
ing accepted uthee under his Noble Fin-aid, and ask, el the
House if the reconciliation of private enmities ought to Le the
ground of public accusation.—(f/ear, la, !)
Mr. UaoeoitSM had no objection to separate the two
questions, and he was prepared to spew that Mame was
imputable to his Majesty's Gove, Innen!. It urger was 11. e
iiitention of those who charged Government to intim t ei to them
the practice of a fiction in respect to the 'elan ii of the Prince
Regent ; but that, in making the appointment, it W.!' a job,
and a blunder; and from which it bill dell was played on the
shottlileis (tithe Public.
Lord Mwros hail listened to all that had been said on both
sides, and he could not agues to the censure !nowt by his
Hon. Friend against the Right Hon. Gent. at the saute time
he could not thuds it a transaction entirely creditable to any
of the parties.
Mr. WA.? I), Mr. GonnoN and Mr. ABERCROMBIE were of
opinion, no Ambassador wits nrcessai y to be sent to Lisbon at
the flow the Right Hon. Gent, was sent there.

Mr. TIERNEY would vote for the :notion, nut loom personal
hostility to the Hon. Gentleman, Intl merely tiloling
rank with the teuvurnment for an inni,lcessary appointment.
Mv. LvrTLETON dui not think th.tt the appointment of
an Anilia.sailor to Lisbon at the time in question %NUS jusli•

Sir J. NVINTosIi considered the Resolutions as censui ing
the appoint:tient of the Ambassador to Lisbon ; not the Am.
hussallor ael voting of the appoitittot 01. He should there.
fore vote for the Ilesolutiohs as a censure on Alinisteis.

Mr. LAAIIITI)N, in reply, said that his inoti.at wue merely
our of eensnre on Ministers for iiprointing all Ambassador to
l'ortintal at a tulle when !ROI an opportunity teas totally un-
necessary.

The Ifense then divided—for Mr. Linithton's motion I.:g—
at:mug it, 270—tuajority, 114—Adjoutuet1 at Tartly,
o'clock.

WEDNESDAY, MAY 7.

The Speaker acquainted the flutist. that he had received a
letter front Lord ViNcolint ))))) ith, mit-fusing one from Ad-
miral Von Cfliellen, acknowledging the cominnuicat.on of
the ThArds. ut the lloww for his sr' t 44..4 at Algi,
'rile London Clergy Bill was ordered to he read a second
tine• this day six weeks.

A new IV I7'it uas ordered for Dorchester o. Sir S. Shepherd,
appointed Attorney • General.
ARRESTS IN SCOTLAND.

Sir S. Rostit.Lv presented a Petition from a person named
John Monlguuu•ry, who was arrested on the Vol. of Feb. at
(ilasgoo, in hit bed, ott a charge of sedition ; c; rrit d to pri-
son, anti confined in a itat row anti dark cell for three (la)*
and lola Melds. aid %% as ihtli lilt ti;:lit ht tine the In a 11110e-
pole 411 Ilia Iluu he was kept mahout lomi. HP 111.'111PS ill
his petition that be had ever at t tooled any seditious meetings;
and Sir Samuel stated, that he had Feet ired vat ions testimo-
nial: lions respectable p. run', as to his chat utter. The case
he ohsersed, was one etit,;:eil to the seriusts ctor•itletation uf
the Howie, for there were no grotto:is fitr the ChAlges against
him. Ott his bring confronted, awl the ansoicts to the guts•
limas 'tut to him taken, he was immediately discharged.
Mr. FINLAY was not enabled to give ;my atswer to the
complaint ill the p, lition. Tile Holt. t tut t •t• tett. That he
had iiitioireol into the motile or am rant. in Neonatal, ;.1 d
found that it was usual to direst persons without the Chit- r
Sian &tame of the accused bch ; Whetted to the vi artout.

Ai AY 12.

Sir S. Itontt.t.v then ITIOVeII. that the Petition be printed.
He emill not conceive, tli,tt it WWI an an.vver to this Petition
to he twit, the petitioner might briutf his action aeitinq
the committing Alogi•trote, when it turned null that there
really was n•t elt•trt;c hint. of the peti-
tioner as ro !•'t.iHtette of seditious Nivetin"2.s, elicited
tinge observation hum the Sheritt. substitole, "'list denial
looked 11111111 like guilt."

The pt (Ilion %v.v. ordered to be printed.
THE REV. THOMAS THIRLIVALL.

Mr. Ilen N ETT moved the Order of the 1).1y fur calling in
the Rev. T.

Oa ipiestiun being pot, Mr. 8. BATHURST whaled to
know to wli•at extent thin proceeding would go, hefore the
Rev. fivilliounti was ral.ed in.

The sPEttecErt re Minted the !tight Hon. Cont. that the most
deeornes sse of proceeding would he, to herr %that the
Rev. Out. had to say, rod then the whole matter would be
berme them.

Mr. C Wv Ne was of the same opinion, and said. he had
seen in the public Press, attacks on the Hone and its Com-
mittees, the :maims of which Le much regretted, had not been
bronght before the house for painisliment. Unless Air.
Thirtwall nas ealieil to the liar. the priS iieze. of the House
would be inflinged ; and they noun( arknon :edge the truth
of the libel.

_
After tt fnrt'•cr conversation on the Sallie subject, Mr.
Thirtwall was then called in.
SYEAJLER then informed hint that the Howe hail heard
the Report read of a publication written by hint, reflecting'
upon the conduct of one of its C ))))) minces. Clerk
would read the passage in the puißication. and the House
would then hear what he had to offer to his defence.

The clerk then read the publication.
Toe SIMAKKR 11101 said—" The House will now hear what
you have to otter iu excuse fur the passage complained of in
this patilication."
Mr. fhiriwall addressing the House regretted that he
ahoni.l have trespass. d on its privileges, and Minuted its
chspleasure. The sole intention in publishing the passages
complamed of', was to vinlicate the character of the Magis-
trates. 41U1 bas tittn ak.., from the obloquy cast on them by
witnesses, necessarily eau iiined before the C ))))) ;Mime. It. in
this he had erred, he was trill!, sorry, and regret( al lie should
have dens so ; and he bowed sincerely to the decision of the
House, and to the Committee, busting that its ciemencv
would be extended towards ; and that the sentence
insight be such, as not to degrade his character as u Magis-
trate and Clergyman.
He was then ordered to withdraw.
Mr. BcsNETT then iII.WV4 a resolution, expressing the
sense of the House, that air. Thiel wall, in publishing the
hook in question, had reflected out the proceedings and au ho•
city of the House, and had oven guilty of a high contempt of
its privileges.
Lord Ctistuneann thought the atten'ina of the House
having been called to the publication in question, could not
atop strut of decl srina it a breach of the .irivileg,c of Parlia-
ment. He was of °Mini n the House could nut pass over the
question till the Rev. Gentleman had been called in, and that
opinion of the House intimated to him from the Chair.
Mr. W. W YNNE thought the Rev. Gentleman had made a
sufficient apologs . Next to not committing an offence a 'zitinst
the House ht all, roust be placed the candid, manly, and hu•
00111-41 hie apology n hich he had made.
• Mr. Bitneonast declared. bad it not bi en for the Rev.
Gentleman's coed net before the Committee, he should not
have thought the publication one which the House could
notice.
Mr. RENNET-es Resolution was then rend, and agreed to.
Mr. BENNETT said, he was now at a loss how to pi occe4, as
he did not understand that the Rev. Gentleman was at present
considered as in custody.
The SPFAKER suggested, that the proper mode to be
adopted would be, to move that the Rev. Gentleman should
be called in ; and that Mr. Speaker should communicate the
Resolution of the House to him.
This suggestion was adopted, and the Rev. Mr. Thiriwall
again called in.
flit Se al tint addressed him in the following effect :
" I am Collllll3lldmi by the House to acquaint you, that the
House has taken into (-onside' ation the matter of complaint
against you and your apology ; and lam farther commanded
to inform you that the House has come to the Resolution, that
in this publication you have been guilty of a breach of the
Privileges of this House ; lint in consequence of the Intl and
ample apology which you have this day made, the House are
content to pi tweed no further; and you may withdraw."
The Rev. Gent. accordingly made his bow and retired.
A tow Writ was then ordered for Eyre, in the noun of Sir
W. barrow, appointed one of the Barons of the Eschequei.