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The Lord Chancellor entered the' Home at six minutes
berme less o'clock. P were ready ■ud the names were
calla al over.
Earl Grosvenor rose to make ■ few observations with re-
spect to the punishment of such witnesses who weight, its Ilse
coolie of the proceeding, In found to have ea emitted per-
jury. Ile thous:ld it important that a pledge should be
given lay the Hamm that moshisig would be clone to fro•.
trate she possishanerat of false witnesses. The Learned
Corssesel (Jr the defence hail already paisised out one nista-
vialual what was to he brought lo trial for "seism moonlit sea
perjury. There acre olle►s_wlws might probably be tallest
so a participation <Allis same fate. He wished to ask the
Noble lord oil she %Vuolsack if may prosecution for peajory
should hr institutes, against any of she witnesses, sisal sup-
posing that the Noble Lords opposite would pledge them-
selves not to frnsirste Ilse execution of justice by their in.
terference, whether there were soy doubts as to the powers of
she laws in Maul punkt nl upon witnesses under such
rinronnrlnores ? If there were any doubts, this point ought
to be determined; uu difficulty should exist Opal, it, and,
therefore, he ihnught that, lo remove doubt altogether, a
short Art of Parliament should be passed to determine that
question.
'I In• Lord Chancellor rose with much warmth, and said,
if he declined to give as aIIOWL7 to the finest of the
Noble L0r.1,11 was because in Me present risee of the buss.
ores be conceived the porst...o to be our 111 Ibe most
extraorilinaiy that lie had errs' beard is the course oaf Ins
Inn: prulerelonal 'The Learned Counsel for the
dol.-nee had said that be could prove one witness to have
barn guilty of peojory. The Learned Counsel had (rase tits,
far in saying so in that stage of she pruceeding.and heshould
gu two far were he now so say that it would be necessary
lo p -cute other witnesses for perjury. He nsuld say
nothing stools she subject until the couelusiou of the ease.
It would he impossible for their Lordships to determine
vitaliser ttr not t0...j011y 1.3 d bean committed until they bail
aarived at the result of this proceeiliss6; mud lie would put
it to their Lordships whether is ■ubstsure and in morality
they would nos be preparing possi■hssenls for perjuries which
were merely imputed, anal which taught Su the rod be wholly
disproved by pinning such a Bill.
Earl Grosvenor reminded their Lordships that the ease
which he hail put was ronalitsonal. The Cousawl fur thethie.
had air. arty &closed that be ►hould feel it necessary to bring
one willies, to trial for perjury, he 'Lord Grosvenor) had IV.
mashes' that others might Maud is the same predacaostesit,
mad from what he burl heard of their evideoce, be must be
allowed to say lie thought it very probable. The Noble
Lord on the Woolsack had himself, at the commencement of
this procerdiug, put the same hypothetical raw which he
(Loral G. 01V11101) had just now offered, suit had distinctly
stated, the necessity of clearing up all doubts as to the two.
duet of the House with reap sct to this subject. The Noble
and Learned Lord had said that Ibis was the first time sorb
a glumness hail bees put no this House. 'lbe ease had been
already discussed, and the Noble and Learned Lord bad
himself given so opinion us the subject.
The laird Chancellor Said, that there wail a great difference
between a measure which was to be applied alike to all the
witnesses who were to be valid, and one which was to be
instituted in reference only to witnesses who were call.
ed, anal whose evidence might Ise false; but really he
could not consider sham as false wain the whole case was de-
termined.

After a few words on the same subject from Lords Liver-
pool and Msarz, this ronversation terminated.
Lord Melville expressed a ni.h to have one of the wit.
mines oho had been examined yesterday again called to the
bar. His same was William Carrington. He should uut
state the nature of the questioas amid Carrington appeared,
but would entionit a motion to that effect.

A convereat agate as so sheerpedieney of recalling the
whines. al she prenesit stage of the proceedings, or of post-
poning his re.exannuution until the slimming up of the de-
fence ; but the Hague finally derided that Wm. Carrington
be esd. semi to 'mend this day.
The 4.7 gel were then called in, and Lien,. Flynn ap-
pruached the bir, and has cruss-exansinusion was resumed by
the Soliriwr-Grlirral.

Whvt lime did you arrive st Athens? (Witaess referrieg
lo his usessorawdet) The Nth or Nay.
Did you limey tiwre asergoronda Jo Maio* or ie English ?
lu hulk.

11i4 yen touch at Athens on yoar return homewards? Nu.
You metal inard that you made copies or your memoranda
in Sicily Yrs.
When ? Three or four moootbs ago.
How imr p.t•vtuoa to that tome were you is Enttlaatl ?
was is Eqszt4l.l tie 1817.

'flues yur lotwe out been in EN;land slue/ 1817 until the
pr.s.:se • pro aud • No.
pol you make these en morensla on shore or on board the
vessel r On hoard.

Mad yon been .shore for a abaft tine at say of the places ?
%Vito. as described a onniber of places at which ►e Itrueliad on
his voyage roiled several islands in the Mediterranean.
‘Ve.e you ou board as batten vessel ? Ido not recollect
that it we. an Italian resat!.

I mean at the time you are sprakisg of; of what country
was Ilse ship!
%Vital was the same of the vessel ? The /401.

Will you be so 'mod 21 to kt ate luok at 11i~ aftrufmaada
(taking thew from the witness sad handing them to Mr.

If.,u told us that yen had the command of the poleaxe,
pray who was it that navigated the teasel? I did.
%Viso gave the orders is the sailors ? Generally the Cap.
tido; but those orders raw trots me.
llsd yuo do soy more than direct Has Captain as to She
places to which her Royal Highness intended to go I did
rod particularly din et bins to any places, I only gave lam
orderaltar lb, directive of the ship.
Did toot the Captain give those orders to the crew in the
same msower as other Captain world have door I He did.
Had smut ha the what. aasuagemeat of the ship ? the
maraud of the ship was given to me by her Royal Highness.
Do yea mean to represent that you gave any orders to the
sailors

Mr. Dramas *tetra to the lon genetics, Wesea it as
that is as provisos goatees, be itsd seed sosseibese
bassists a constructive Wifely di .rest Nom what Its really
had said.

The Lora Ciseeeeller thee& It inlaid be better if the
ranee mere pet we, What de. pee MOM by the words
earigetese the ship?"
Tie eterweseatieetiele veil thee mew&

wiles b fee maw 14 yes add tbe

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Mow lut9c acre you no board the weasel' Sewers, widallos.
Was the account of the ship kept to English... Dahl.
In Italian in the lorbook.
It'as it frctn she log book vow tank those eopies ? Yes.
By *hum w,tslhst Inr-b0...k kept ? By myself. It was a
private mrmnratodutto made by myself.
Do you mean that the Inginnik was a plyate memoran-
dum made by yunrsylf It was nut calmly the logbook of
the ship, hot t*.ir toy own private Ito rp.io,•.
Then wns it Lein by yourself or clerk! It seas kept by
mre!r, and snthe of the entries were made by the clerk.
Was that elerk ou board the vessel during the *hole of the
voyage?
Was he in !Winn or an Englishman ! Ile toss an [Willi.
Dl.l you tool fs.y joist now I hAt you did not know what
countryman be was? I believe he was no Italian or a
Stetli

Ih•I you not, its answer to a question put by me just now,
tell me you lit wit know what ruoistrynriss lie WAS °--
;11r. Denman olikitA to the question; hut it was de-
rided that it usigtht he put. The question way termitic!.
I did net know whit he was; but I behove he was an
lUhan ur Sieiliau.

Ton ray hr wrote only in part—war the port which you
wrote iu luli.m or in English? The part I wrote war in
Eaeli•h.

bid you not tell me 'hat the log was written is Italian?
Ye,.

Now yon •fly that part was written in Italian and part is
English'. Part nt hot h, to the twat at my recoil• clime.
The eitneas was lwre seized with a eueldess indisposition,
apparently loom the heat of the Haase, which was extremely
oppiesaite. anti wa• taken out. UN his seturia, to about
three aninnies,
The Lind Chancellor directed the officers of en. Howse to
keep the windows open when necessary, It had bees wader-
mood his mistake that he had desired to Ism ahem shut, but
be bad desired no such thing.

The short-baud ',viler was directed to read the questioas
and ariswera relative- he the subject of the person who had 'cepa
the log•hwok, awl the whines. desired to add to his former
answer, that the clerk he referred to was a sailor, and acted as
his ►ervant also.

Dui jest wow yON 101.1 1111 he WWI Old t OfIVSIII of your.,
•ud now that he us a servant of your., which story de you
mrAo lo *dilute So? Ile acted us bush.

you owns by both, that be was your spryest sent sot
tour greyest Ile was my servant an far as utakieg soy hod
and clewtox sip my cot; hut he sass-.sat kept as • cleik,
bet a. a sailor ow board the ship.
Then he acted as your servant He acted as a wailer and
• scrvaut. Ile was 'mewl' the crew.

\ow yen haring kept part of the his, and this Man the
remainder, I swish to kittyw which kept the larger propor-
tion ? It i 4 impossible for me to say, not having it before
my eyes. I may be mistaken, but I think I kept the larger
part myself.
Then thr part kept by yourself was written in English?
Some iu English and some in Italian.

Hy yourself? Yes, by inrsell.
Theo what you Wore said was not tree?--
111 r.
Denman amid that was nut the tine:tins.
The th.slicitor-Geurral— Dist you nut tell me jest saw that
the part. written by you were written in F.n4lish ? If l told
you so, it was as a 11,01191111 when I was so corl'esed that 1
dist not know what l slid.

Then am I now to usiiterstand that what you wrote WAS
110,71C11111e4 m English and IMlltiilo4lll in Italian ? Yea.
Is the greater proportiou to the hest of your remilleclion,
wi Menis F.nglish or in Italian? 1 meow precisely say.
Is a c•insiderable proportion of it in English? fly a cos.
sidentile proportion, I ghouls' take you to mean the greater
wet, but 1 minuet say exactly; 1 abuntil think, however,
that it was pretty aeaily equal.
Do you inean Ali the greater proportion is in English, or
that they sew about the same? 1 think about the saute.
Look at shut paper [the Solieitur-General bolding it Ito the
witurs.,l sisal say whether it does not commence with the
departure from Messioa ? It consmenees the 15th of De-
crnsber, winch was the day of her Royal Highness's arriving
at Nleviiiia.

When did you set out (rum Messina? Sixth of hosiery,
I be' a we.

Mr. Brougham here observed, that he lboaght the coin-
loon use of a iireasoresdum Dachas this was admitted to he
for ri freshiesg the witness's memory, we, for the witness. by
holding it in his bawd. to guide his recollection as 10 certain
farts. But here his Learned Friend gets the paper Milo his
own possessiou, end having read it, proceeds to ask the
itoess questious epou its contents, walkout letting haat
are It.

The Solicitor-General said, the witness had looked at Ilse
paper to anion his neentoty in answer to certain qoestioos;
he (the Solicitor General) then, as be bad a right to do, not
she pre to look at its contests, and crusa.eatusiord tbe
nems front it, as he couceived, was the proper coarse fur Come-
sel to pursue with respect to such a paper.
Mr. Brougham said, he only meant to observe that be did
not question she right of his Learned Friend to see the pa-
per, amid to eross.ex.noine from what he had seen, but it was
equally proper sod fair that the winless should see it to
goide his to his answers.
The Lord Chancellor said, the rule laid dawn be took to
he quilt. clear. Taking it to be a lamentation' fur the pur-
pose of refreshing She witness's anerwo►y, Counsel ►ad a right
to cross-manias from it; but it shoeld be so placed thee
both the Costae' and tho witness could see it at the same
Jaw.
Mr. Denman said, that his bravoed Friend look it innately
away from the winless. •
The Solicitor-General replied, that was towing Se other
persons standing between them, so that they could not bulb
ace it.

The Eul of lAsderdale thought it osght sot to he kept
is the heed.

Levi Col►alle sad the Manilit of Lasedeurs glade maw
remiss ka inarellable below the bar.

The Lard Clessteriter NM& Mare ObIeIMPIII NOS the purport
of which we srernshrod to be, that the 1. busk firm ebirk
the esesaurasime was takes baying byes es saised by see
waters@ at the lime is was ltepi, alibpsoxis partly sates
by seethes heed, was thereby made Se ewe, and the
copy Wise made by his fres what he bed as the time se
,sauteed, breams se lees bis owes sod was therefore a
iesasurailtioss heel with perfect propriety he might be
persitiod to wee to Webb hi. misery.
Lard Redasdale, we hallow, cossarred Is the nimbi et
the llohie sad Lemma Loci
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Ultitt .•-• Ilse 4thentry ? The Gth :faro:try.
%VW re ? Al Mett.ista•
1:1 EttIVA .'rlfa:i.n? In Italian.
Where it the s':i entry' Ott h..ar.l the Clerirdc.
II it in Esiali.h or Italian ? In 11•14 n.
Where it the et:‘, rt.tr ' Ihe 29th January.
%Voce.. is Hint? to S4raelsae.
114 hat.lattinaze
Thr GI n, r.l pror.e.led •lep by step to e1...0;nd
the witness with. tit the .i,!T. rent entries nu Vie rny.
nee, up to the 191J...i5/April, in if... same manner, atm! they
appeared to be all in Italian.
Nun look al the p..per and tell whether Vie iviti tea of all
lbr Wm-. a are in r.,01,4) or in Italian. In Italian.
Dot. if nut tome 'lnto n h. Mrs-inn? Y. t.
Now tell me wln thee cuu 1.1.-.1 to ae:nr tulriet art in
yoi.r han•!-wliting Nn; I wilt lint ane::r
Did 10.1 et. it., tinard the Clorinele
tl 1t0... It ? The etc,
The r lei les ?
P.urnati%'
1101 Pa.roCi a confectioner in the terrice or he
Ruvai Machu. PP No.

Was he soot one 4.f she crrcv of the polaere P ffr was not
on. of the sailors; there *A.% • l'a,ronli to hat Ituyal High-
ness's service, but hewn. not the tlerk.
Was not Pascoals on board she British ship I tin thrre
months ago Yrs, he was; he went with co. from MesNisia
as a pilot of tlw coast, awl then was iliarlenged.
What became of him after the return from the long sol.
age ' Ido 1101 ksiew.
What ireesme 4-f the polarre' I believe she went to
Naples, hut I do not know, fir I went to Coosla.
Dol. the crew V. in lief ' 1 110 110 t know—f be!ir•e some
part of them might.
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IVl,cre Jul g.. to! 1 loch. we t, \ft...4w!

And P.•ruali nsi.le the memorandum for you Ow, e months
ago; did you swot say ).e.t.r.lay that it wa• in your ha ml.
usritinz Ido not ii.meinht r, but if I did it eir II ill 01!
Colllll‘loll of the itsament.

tltt nut the piper b fore 'nu! ILaI it mit in rt. y
band at the moment ah►n I ate4wr. fed.

NOW, lOU an al rr,,r MA in ynl,r haw, writ;ng.,
boil that l'Astuali "plum tr•, by my slireei

Will yon swear that this the Isisiel..aritiist
Yea, it it gcliimiriner lissittwettine.—(lnndexpe.s.
sions of aslowishient throughowl Ike !louse )
The Solicanc-Gentest—l bsve no fusih.r questions to
ask this witness.