The National Register.
London, England, 1821-07-02 00:00:00

110 USE OF COMMONS.

Mr.

MOIDAY, JUAZ ?S.
Mr. DEN Al A N sok d a pennon fr NIr.
of Crown-street, Soho. r I.l4ining of loss,s J4l,l4ioirtl by
him in atiemos to eah.e lI Royal (horge.
Several petitions KC{ I` I.:osrwrd m rdvottr of the Ci it-
r::,y to Animal,. l'oeventm.o bill from Itiiiiiinghans, Shef-
field, Chignull,
The Corn Averages bill was read a third time and
Oil the glics,ion that the Woollen Trade Rriulation bill
du to,w,

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4. WORTLEY made some observations het
.eepote4ition of eleriesvaheep, &e. •••
LUSIIINGIVN replied
The anotiob was tltcartierl, -and the bill order to
the Lords.
'fite house went into a committee on the Tobacco Ditties
bill, the Chancellor of the Eschequer stating that lie had
au important alteration to Mahe—lle illtelldell to leave
out the moulding clause. (Bear, hear.)
Repot t received, anal ordered to be taken into consi-
deration aeon' on Friday 'text.
The Customs Deties bill ods read a third time, and
passed.
Dr. LUSIIINGTON brought in a bill la regulate the
draw oack on hops. Bead a first time.
The CHANCELLOR of tIi,IFACIIEQUER brought in
• Ell to provide lot the additional charge by the loan
from the sinking fund.
Mr. A BERCRO3IIILE said lie saw an immense MISS of
bills at the liar ; bomb.. being brought in, were they to
be printed ? Except such course were to he pursued, how
could the house know what they contained? They might
contain new matters; they knew that sonic bills had con-
tained most extraordinary jells.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should have no objection to the printing of such bills as
were considered of sidfie.ent importance, or contained
something new.—Bill read a lino time.
Navw.tviort AcTs.— The house went into a committee
on the Navigation Acts.
Mr. WALLACE ruse to bring forward his motion for
certain ineaenres atising out of the lint report of the com-
mittee on Foreign Trade. What he Arnold now propose
had been recommended, not only by the committee, but
by the most important writers on this subject. By con-
solidation, the regulations might be made much more
liberal as well as explicit but the proposed amendment
would not interfere with matters of revenue and protece
lion. His mete objeeis terry to remove rest, ictionit
standing in the way of initiertaiien of foreign goods for
the put poses of exportation—tied prevented this country
being what it was calculated to be, the depol for the whole
world. So severe were some of the regulations, that !lot-
land and the United Ittosinves might In: considered as
placed without the pale it tn. law; and the goods of Asia
and Aft tea could only be imported in British vessels. In
the first plate, he meant to hepeal all the acts, about 200
iu number, oil the subject of the navigation laws, passed
before the 12th of Chalks the Second; lie considered
them as obsolete, to say the least of them. Another regu.
lotion svas—after adverting to the enumetation lists--to
permit any goods whatever, found in any pints, to be
allowed 110 h COSlVt'yell to this country iu the ships of
suck poets. lie also proposed that British ships should
be allow ell to convey the produce of Asia and Africa from
any European port. lie also ititeutled that the goods
paying high ditties sisal low ditties should he divided into
two descriptions—high and low duties, and warehoused
accordingly. He also proposed that those duty free should
be placed in less secure warelion-es—hut all should be
subject to re-oeiglibig, &c. He likewise proposed that
Hine should b an end uf prohibitions.—(Hear, hear.) —lt
was perfectly well known that there was scarcely any
prohibited article that coital not lie obtained in this
cumuli y. if tile patties chose to pay for them t indeed they
were ollru exposed to open sale. Another eltjeet be had
ail view was to revise our harbour regulations and duties,
for in timely instances they were so severe, that vessels in
severe weather not unfit fluently ton the greatest danget
rather than enter our posts, 011 account of those severe
duties. lie then repeated the heads of what be had
slated to the house, and emu-tutted with moving three
resolutions—to apply for lease to bring in three halls, to
repeal certain ancient statutes regarding shipping, to sits
plain sal ions acts rigardieg the commerce of the country,
and, thirdly, to atnend the laws regarding warehousing.
Mr. SYKES said, to the first and third propositions Ise
had no objection. As to the repeal of the 20) laws spoken
ol; such repeal was home, for they were never, at least
troy tat ely, non, II Imo execution. As to the second
proposition, he must reserve himself. With regard to Ole
ships of this country carrying as cheap as those sal any
other country, he thought the hon. member was in great
error; the MOWS of many other nations, (Ming to the
cheapness of provisions, labour, &c. could carry Mitch
Cliemeicr.
Mr. D. BROWNE begged his countrymen to recollect
that fair warning was given to them, that the transit du-
ties were to be removed ; that the protection to filth
linens was to be re 1111 l tired ; they were obtained by tuttiollid
rommijelnellt, and the n hltonal faith was pledged for their
flotilinent. Hr should resist them, because the alterations
went to say that Ireland sliteild nut recover from the dile
tresses which now us erWlielliled her.

Mr. BARING said, he limited that no measures would
be pi rssed forward this serwium—(Neer.) It any general
and liberal pi iiii•iples of trade were to be adopted, he
hoped the eight hon. gentleman would not be diverted
from his costr•c by any ignorant Malodor IMO& any per.
tit:idol part of the world. It indeed halt a dozen counties
were likely to be ruined by the proposed
regulations,
then it was to be Milord that the house vo onl4l pause br-
ittle any change N•l4 11141iC. As tu the Mollification of the
act, that was most desirable.
Mr. D. BROWNE said, he should attend to the inte-
rests 01:_his.eunntry tthat was all he hail belure stated..

Mr. %t ALL ACE Miaerved that the transit duties —the
protection ut the linen trade—were amtunnat the
tiona;—(hrar ! hail only mid that they might• be-
come mailer ut

Mr. D. itItOWNI: replied, that he should then wish
his costaito)eneti to be 'trimmed for Ands discute.tuu.
After souse remiss k• front Mr. Nlairysit, &c. the reso-
lutions were agreed to.—ltepart to-mot-sou.
Dyli.la UV CL RIMC Ile inulion hut the Duke of
Ciarener'N farther annuity he restl a fecund time.
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Mr. G. BENNET r nppo.ed the bill, and moved, as an
amendment, that a he read u beeend lime This day six

Lord A. HANIILTON also opposed the bill.
Aker bllnle FClllllllk3 to it, support from the chancellor
of the Exchequer, &e. the Immse ilivided.—The number,'
is ere—tor the amessilimitit 11, against it 61, majority 47.
The bill was then read a

The remai ii itt g uniets having been disposed of, Ike
Douse adjuutoeil.

TI.I.SDAv, JUNE 26.

The Greenwich hospital bill was read a neon(' • .

M. WILLIAMS r;eseiate d a 111'660; frum 11.talicht,
who shot at the I.ste Hine. He. sMd he was now etttsfieted
to the es toottal tsio4 01 liet4lrw hovital ; Ileht he was
LIOW tun SAUU Shalt' 01 wuiJt auJ 11141 Ile 111.1)%d 4 relax•

tion of the severity of his punishment. Ordered to lie
the table.
~, Reveling 144 410484 .4 n the motion Ilmtkille
Trish neentartNnirvisgie r!iittiiiiirdalisnee •^''-•
1/414.1.
Mr. UENMAN strobsly opposed it. lie condemned
the clauses which appointed members of that !rouse to
places of profit, and that without vacating their seats.—
This was particularly objectionable. Ile had thought
that this was a time when the principle of reform might
be pushed into the eiletny's quarters with advantage, bat
is seemed they mast look sharp round them to retain
what they possessed. Ile colicilliled with moving the
name of Air. T. F. Lewis, M. P. be emitted.
TM* (11.%%CELLOI: of the EXCIIEOUER defended
the nil% lie maintained that the. principle of the 1,111 W4S
1101 1111k0W11 to parliament. Mr. F. Lewis would not
I reel% e any appointment from the Crown, but from par-
liament ; :mil the Stumm and the country might to be
gr.iithil shut Ihey would have the benefit of the hum
member's ( AI r. Lew is) vrin sole services.
Mr. HOISIIOI.NE contended that the objections to the
bill had not been answered. As to the appointment be-
ing that of parliament, it was that of the ministerial
Leitch ; and it was certainly the ditty, at least it was the
practice, to obey the dictates front such past of the
house. Ile certainly considered the appointment as in
fact coining from the Crow a.
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Mr. S. RICE admitted the force of the general prin-
ciple, and lie would be ready to admit into any case but
such a one its this. The corontiesiou was not to examine
the small delinquent—it was to cadmium the great delin-
quency.
Lord A. Hamilton and the Chancellor of the Exchequer
said a few wards, after a Lich the amendment was nega-
tived.
Mr. DENNIAN proposed a new clause, which was, that
members who should be appointed should not be entitled
to salary.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a few
worth, whet, •
Mr. DENMAN moved that the debate be adjourned to
Friday.—For the adjournment, 75—Against it, Si.
On re-admission into the gallery, Mr. Denman, we
understand, had proposed his clause to prohibit members,
who might be appointed, I ruin revel vine salaries.
Lord MILTON was speaking in support of the bill.
The house, by the bill as it now stood, went in the teeth
of the Education Commissioners' bill. 'There were already
upwards of 70 members in that house who received Sala-
ries fur places; in some of those places there was not too
much service to be performed, and why could not some of
them be appointed to pertorin this duty, they already
receiving nicomes ?
The gallery was then cleared for a division on such
clause. The numbers were—Ayes, 35—Noes, el—Lust
by a on.ijotity of
Elie bill was 1.,1,5Vd, and ordered to the Lords.
Mft. OwEtv's PLA NS.—Mr. MAXWELL brought for-
ward his motion for a COIIIIIIiSSIOII to inquire into the
expediency of encouraging the establislimeists at New
Lanark, with the view of promoting the advantages of the
labouring classes. The hon. member coneluded with
moving an address, praying his Majesty to appoiut a com-
mission to proceed to New Lanarkomil dime examine the
advantages that had testified front the adoption of Mr.
Owen's plans, Ate.
Mr. DA WSON 'crimpled the motion, speaking in favour
of the principles ou winch Mr. 0 Well'a plaits proceeded.
The lion. member argued that the disappointment which
the courtly was experiencing front the ab.urd report (at
he contended there was it great deal of absurdity 111 it) of
the recent committee on agriculture, rendered it the ma e
necessary that some measure should be adopted which
would relieve the country and the labouring clause►.
Lord LON DONOERRA' opposed the motion. Ills
parliamentary ground tor this opposition was, that it went
to pledge the house to ilo sionetlinig respecting Mr. Owen's
plans; and that, he thought, was liar li, being desirable.
He wits also ILilllll4 it because lie conceived that it would
(roily be expositig the Collor) to a secoutl disappointineut,
since the lion. member imagiited that the agricultural
report would disappoint the country; and even that rea-
rm' would justify him iii resisting this motion. As to the
plans, lie questioned not the good motives of the projector,
but lie certainty could nut awl ex to parliament taking
under its protection these quadrangular schemes, which
were more likely to succeed, it they were sound, without
legislative inteirecence.
Mr. Buxom, Mi. W dime fio ce, eite. supported the mo-
tion, nut because they approved ut Mi.. 0 ten's pains, but
from the °lslam' that, 110111 the details respectiog
watrrials might be collected that could be usefully applied
to toe alelll,ol'4lloll of the condition of the l .
Mr. HUME said, lie found I l iii sell iu the very peculiar
predicament of agreeing with the amble marquis opposite;
and what was mole, that Ile should tie obliged to vole Milli
the noble lord. He could out suppot Ilse motion.
Atter some remits ka from Mr. W. Smith, dec. We motion
was negatived.

tie 7sdjom ned detail e fur inquiry into the fees of the
Chief Baron of the Exchequer, lretsud, as well as the
remaining orders havi:ig ueeu disposed of, the house
adjourned.

NEDIIIISDA Y, JUNE 27.
The nary proptrly bill twat retail a third time and passed.
Mr. COUR. I'EN AY pr. tented the tepult of the t
tee un p, into lac s cuitsulitlatims.-o.drred to be printed.
Gar ERN N EAT I,..t.:OrtoNlY.—The report of the tireentt,t h
hospaal bill Nat presented.
Mr. AltitUliiNor, in reply to same observations (mom
Mr. flume, bleated that he had stow to repeat what be had
before irequently that, d, Math eiet y department of the State
aas under toe itetioun ul Litivernment •'lb the *Ma to
eeltil PPPPP ).
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11,11 mitered ill he rend n third time to-morrow.

Mr. (S. BENNL•TT pribenlsti a 'wittiest from dissenters
iu Noriltundiei laud, complaining of the present state of (lie
laas.
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Mr. AI. V LILT presenteol a petition from George NV hits.,
Of IJ.tio ge, nute yearn emitiolential tnetooess,er sit the Isle
'Wm. lilt. ss vetii. en years burte)or of the to un, .stisi three
'ears ul liensoog too, plaiumg oil hosing uoisolo:e to get
arrears due to him from the tax olliee.—Read mod forth red
to lie oil the table.

The in imn ere reseur bill nai read a third time and pas•cd.
The t•itiels cancelling Lill went Ilanti,h a commit Lee.—
Report On Fi Way.
Jr:4lT INDIA TH A DE.—The haft lodia private trade bull
well into a committee.

Mr. BARING said, he should take the sense of the coin-
miller tin the clause of inipi.,lng an additional dui) on the
flayed sugars imports:a frtnu U e West Litho.

Mr CANNING observed, that he should vote against the
Instructions n hich he had received. Instructions that he
should have ollterwi•e -tupported,on the understanding that the
whole subject bi hi be cousidesed nest year. He puisued
ibis COMM' h.t ouse sainethins like compromise hod taken
place.
Mr. BARING remarked, that he was no party to inch
compromise ; and although he did not feel dispo,ed to press
his amendment under such circumstance, lie could nut
but consider it an absurdity to legislate in such n manner
for a limited period, determining next year to take up the
subject.
Mr. W. SMITH could not think that any member had
the driaberate inteiniun of destioying the West ludic
sugar trade, as venue had imagined, who hod hem etofore
spoken.—Clauses agreed to.—lteport ordered to be received
to-morrow.

A message from their Lordships requested that the house
would communicate a copy of the ripoi t of the committee
vii agriculture. Ordered.
Lord A. ItAIIILTON gave notice, that to-morrow be
iihould move the repeal of the obnoxious clause of :he Oct
passed April 19, in the excise act, touching the Scotch
brewery.

SCOTCH ST•MP OFFICE.—Mr. HUME brought forward
his nudism respecting the proposed new stamp office in
Lilinborgh, and the proceedings adopted for its building.—
Alter some investigation, it was found that a place in
burgh called Dumbieck's hotel, ;stlid suit for the new
stamp office ; and its purchase for 8,0001. wets icciiiiimended.
This was, however, resisted from private and mina motives,
told effectually, fur a purchase for a seite of ground IA :lb
made near the ibegcnt's-bridge for 35,0001. ; and thus a
~,,, ',tete job suns begun. It bail continued three years,
instead of huviu^ bought the other place, where an office
was nearly ready inquired ; told by such interruption
serious injury had beets done to the public business. Ile
considered the a hole as a very rank juh. He concluded
ills moving a series of resolutions declaratory of the facts
and censuring the proceeding, particularly the interference
of the treasury with the hoard of stamps.
Sir J. ItIAJORIHANKS explaisied the transactions,
observing that the laad in question had been put up to
Cartoon.

Lord A. II VMII.ION supported the resolat' The
motion is ;is ultimately negat i veil without a division.
Mr. lIUML then proceeded to state, at excessive length,
the grounds of kis motion for an address to his Majesty,
In:) log him to direct the greatest possible econoin y su all
bran, hes of the govcroment.—This was strenuously opposed
by ministers, and
Mr. BAN KS moved, by way of amendment, that tittle be
presented ua humble address to his !Majesty, to assme his
Majesty that we have received with satisfaction the mea-
sures taken by his Mijesty's commands fora general revision
of expenditure in the depaitment of the customs of Great
Britain, and to entreat that his Majesty would he most
graciously pleased to direct a similar investigation to be ex-
tended to all the other In:tactics of the public revenue, for
the purpose of making the collection more econumicel and
the management more Efficient. And that for the pur-
pose of giving further relief to the country, his Majesty
u mild be graciously pleased to direct a more minute inquiry
int., the several departments uf the civil government, us well
for the purpose uf reducing the numbers employed us with
eference to the increased Friaries granted durisi.; the late
war, and since the year 1797, in consideration of additional
labour thrown upon Mai v idnals and the elringe in the
value of money. And fi.rther, that his Majesty would
he graciously pleased to direct that every persuaal saving
consistent with the pub,: c interest shall he ctkcted in
those more extended departments of the public service
hieli the country is obliged to maintain, mid inure especi•
ally in the military expenditure, by a reduction in the
nunibers of the army, nod by a coostant and vigilant taper-
Imam of all the departments of the elate, fur which For h
ample saint bare been provided by the liberality of par-
liament.

This amendment was seconded by Mr. Gooch, and carried,
on a dtvraion, after a very loug detour, by a in.Oortty 0(80.
The other order, of the day were then diaio.rea of, and
the buu►e 4djuurned.