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THE NATIONAL REGISTER

for a copy of the mogistrates of Somersembire's repott on
the same subject.
Mr. LENN AR D gave notice. that on the 22d inst. he
should submit a motion respecting the expeuditure of the
civil list.
Mr. DA W SON moved for the last report of the vaccine

The usual standing orders for the sessions, for committees
on ri 'igloo, privilege, lee —Agree d to.
On the motion that no petitions for private bills be re-
ceived ei ter the Y4d inst.
Mr. HUM E complained of the shortness of the period.
The S PEA KE. It observed, t hat the usual time was allowed
—it was according to a standing order of the Howe. a Inch
order provided that such petitions should be presented about
fourteen days after the sessions commenced. Thai was the
standing order ; there was nothing novel iu the terms of the
motion.
Mr. LOCKHART also thought the time too short, espe-
cially under the particular circumstai sea of the comm.), us
those who might wish to apply Go enclosuie bills would be
anai.rus to know what course the parliament was likely to
pursue.
The SPEAKER added, that such order never prevented
the presentation of petitions for leave to ptesent petitions.
Motion ;weed to.
It was also agreed that no private bills should he received
after the 2SJ March ; and no reports of such bills after the
18111 April.
NORFOLK AGRICULTURAL PETITION,
Mr. COKE rose to present a petition from the owners nnd
occupiers of land in the county of Norfolk—a county in
winch agriculture was carried on at less expense, and in
which inure corn was growit on poor land, than in any other
port of the kingdom. He was sorry to say that the state of
the etionty,in consequence of th..*.depression of the agricultu-
ral interest, was of the must heart-breaking deset 41111/11j and
to no man did that circumstance give more more pain than
to him, who had spent the greater part of his life in endea-
vouring to improve its cowls on. The laburir which lie had
devoted to that purpose had le•en his pride and delight. It
I was dreadful to behold the distress and alarm which per-
vaded every part of the comity. The temtisition
calling
upon the Sheriff of the county to convene the meeting at
which the petition lie held in his hand was agreed to was
signed only by the yeomanry ; and he believed that a snore
respectable body of inert did not exist. He was inclined to
believe (although his honourable colleague would perhaps be
better informed upou that point) that the requisition was
signed by prisons who had (masterly been supporters of Go-
vernment, and had amounted, perhaps to the proportion of
three out of five. Those persons who had formerly been the
approvers of ministers, nett now convinced of their error
—perhaps reluctantly ; but distress had a share in bringing
them to their present stt.te of mind. The couety of N OftUIV,
lie was proud to say, was the first to set the example of pe-
taming parliament.—an example which had been, and he
ousted would still be, followed by other counties, until
they had all brought their complaints before the legislature.
He hoped to hear the public voice resound on this subject
from all quarters of the country. Unless there should be
an ut i i 0000 of both Whip and Totes, unless the country gen-
tlemen on both sides of the house should combine their ef-
forts, the total destruction of the asr.ricultural interest mutt
ensue. (Hear. hear, front both sides.) The petition prayed
for economy and reform. It described the distress which
existed, and which could not be denied ; and declared that
taxation, overwhelming and all devouring taxation, ails the
tau eof that distress. The petition prayed for the reduction
of taxes, particularly of those which were imposed upon salt,
malt, leather, candles, and other accesses). articles of too.
sumpti tttt , which would afford the country relief to the
amount of five ruilivons, without any real injury to the reve-
nue. How astonished most the country he to hear the decla-
ration of the Chanceilor of the Exchequer, that the removal
of any tax would be au aggravation of the existing distress.
Gracious God! At a time when the people flout one rail of
the country to the other were complaining of distress, with
the p ours of which the table of that house would soon groan
—lit such a time were they to be told by a hard-hearted and
callous Guverument. on the first day of the session too, that
they were to meet nu relief, and that their complaints would
be disregarded? He did nut suppose that the petitions of
the people would be anemic.' to by that House, but he cer-
tainly did not expect to hear that doctrine so °yeti's( avowed
There had been persons who looked up to that House as a
land of hope, corrupt as it was. profligate as it was (loud
cries of " Order.") It was known to be so. (Cries of
" order's and " chair."
The SPEAKER rose, and observed, that he would be the
last person to interfere with the expression of the sentiments
of u member of that house, be did nut feel himself called to do
so by an imperious duty. He was convinced theta moment's
lateen's!' would show the hon, member that he had trans-
gressed the limits of fair debate.
AIr.COKE apologized fur having said what was considered
improper. Ile knew that he was warm, and it was natural
that lie should be so. It was understood, however, that the
people were nut likely to obtain redress from that House.—
(Hear, (hear.)—The petition would perhaps better explain
the view a hick be calcimined with regard to the censtitu-
tiros of that House, than he could himself. It slated that
retrenchment would do much towards the relief of all classes
of the community; and he must remind them, that although
an honourable member of the House (Mr. Huini ) had shown
last session that there was no branch of the expenditure,
either foreign or domestic, to a Inch reduction might nit he
made; yet large majorities had always been found to reject
his pi °positions. Therefore," said the petitioners," it is
our decided cutivicti ttttt that the corrupt and defective state
of the representation is the true source of the prevailing dis-
tress, and that mail tile people shall be this ly represented in
pat hament, no relief is to be expected." The lion. °winker
for hetet (Sir E. IC natchlrull) had indeed told the house, 111
pretty plain terms, the other day, that no measure could
set toed in that House, which did not originate with minis-
ters—a circumstance, if correctly stated, which did not
surprise him when he reglected on prisons who bud situation
of profit and emolument like his (Sir L. Knutchbuliss).—The
Iron. gr nt. concluded by spilt beggiug pardon of the House
if he had said any thing amt quite Parliamentary. (Hear.)
Up in the question toad the petition be brought up—
Sir E. KIN; ATCHRULL said, lie never meant to deny
that any member had the tight to °alginate any measure,
but lie held that after 11111 l islets had aurrouticed the lawn-
' lion of [Hinging forward ,4111111: measures oil tire subject,
it was not right pievionsty to press tin the House ill-
judged propositions. As to tone petition, Ire admitted
the extent oral severely of the distress, and if ministers
111'01101i flawilltl shy useful measures they blIOUld have
support.—(Hear.)
littOuliliAM urged that he had been min led to
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meats. After all that he hail beard. be could not but
repeat his conviction that he hail accurately represented
the hon. gentleman's sentiments on a former night.
Mr. WODEHOUSE spoke in favour of part of the pe-
tition, and said he thought there ought to be some home.
diate reductions.—(llear, hear! ) A repeal of the malt
tax was prayed tor, but he thought there might be reduc-
tions that would be more agreeable and useful to the
country. The petition closed with a prayer fur reform.
He could not say how far he agreed in that prayer, fur
he could not understand what the refocus was that was
wanted. As to the observation of the hon. member (Mr.
Coke) that he for one would not " deceive" his conoti-
thews, did lie wail to apply that observation to any par-
ticular individui I?
Mr. LOCHAR I thought those who desired to promote
the interests of agiictiltuse, since Whigs and Tories were
so likely to differ on the subject, world do well not to
burden the question with the subject cf reform. The
state of agriculture was calamitous, but prices ought to
he testes' ed to somethiug like an equilibrium. Was it
right that the same taxes and expenditure should he con-
tinued in a currency so mate' ially changed? lie did nut
attribute the evil to the callousness of ministers; he be-
lieved that they felt the difficulties, and were anxious to
correct them; but what he feared was, that they were
wrong in their judgments.--(Hear and a Irugh.)—lf they
they did 1111 l take a more enlarged view of the state of the
country, he was apprehensive that their difficulties would
go on increasing, and that the effects would hereafter
suddenly and disastrously burst on the nation. But he
felt assisted that there were some classes who were not
willing to become the vassals (Italie crown and its ministers.
Unless, however, agriculture was protected, the public
credit was rot secure.
Mr. LUSHINCTON thought if some lion. members had
been present on a former evening they would not have
described the government as hard-hearted, and callous,
and as decidedly against all reduction of taxes.—(Hear,
hear! from the opposition.)—He thought that the House
ought to wait and hear what were the reductions and
ameliorations contemplated by government.
Mr. HUME was glad to bear this explanation.—From
it lie augured much ; he saw by it that en hones had pi°.
duced nitwit change in the government, aided by the sea.
timents of members in that House; lie now believed that
ministers would lie compelled to submit to a reduction of
the taxes.—(Loud cheers.)
The petition was theu read, and ordered to lie on the
table.
A message from the Lords requested that the appendix
to the report on the state of agriculture should be com-
municated to their Lordships.
On the motion that the report of the address on the
King's speech be brought up,
Mr. CURWEN rose. He said that the doctrine that
the Address did not pledge members to any particular
line, was not so well nudes stood in the country as in that
House; and he therelot e bugged that lie might nut be
considered as not deploring that his Majesty's speech was
so deficient on many particulars. On the Civil List thole
might have been something said, and that would have su-
perseded the nonce which had been given (by Mr. Leo-
nard) that day. The truth was, the ministers did nut
seem to know what really were our difficulties. They
must renounce their currency, or prices must conic down
and keels down; gentlemen mast no more look for high
prices. (Hear, hear, hear.) As to the live millions lead-
ing scheme, it seas fallacious; those who bad securities to
give could obtain money without the aid of the Govern-
ment, then did the ministers mean to lend money to those
who lead no securities to offer? There most be equal tax-
ation on funded and lauded property—without that they
could nut contiune to fulfil their engagements; and lie
would remind many prisons, that had the tiolnlity and
gentry waived many of those privileges of exemption, to
which' they laid claim, some or the consequeuces of the
French revolution wuuld have beets avoided. lie was a
friend of Reform; and w holier it was soon obtained or
not, he felt assured that there were those in the country
who would not be deterred from doing their duty. The
sufferings of the people of Etiglaud, as well as those of
Ireland. must lee redressed.
The Report was then brought up, read, and agreed to,
and it was ordered to be presented to Isis Majesty.
Lord LONDONDERRY presented copies of corres-
pondence on the state of Ireland, t ruin Lord Wellesley to
the Home Secretary of State.—Ordered to be priuted.
STATE OF IRELAND.
Lord LONDONDERRY then rose putsnant to notice.
The task which he had to perform was of a most painful
nature, but such was the urgency of the case, that lie felt
impelled to bring the question before the House in the
absence of some right hon. friends (Mr. Peel,orc.) What
ire should propose, on the express solicitation of the Lord
Lien's nant, as the only effectual means of suppressing the
rebellious insurrectious, was to renew the Insurrection
Act, and to suspend, as far as Ireland was concerned, what
was called the Habeas Corpus Act, as regarded persons
suspected of treason. He should also propose that they
proceed with all possible dispatch, and that they continue
till the Ist of August ; lie named this period, because h
was anxious that the Parliament should have every of pm-
e
limit), of revising and correcting the measures. It might
perhaps be necroses), to prolong the Insittrectiois Act.
As to tine time of passing them, it WAS desirable that they
should proceed with as little delay as possible. The Re.
hellion 111SUrfection Act was passed in a single sitting--.
hot lie touuud that it would not be possible to proceed with
so touch rapidity with the bilis which lie tiow intended to
propose. It would not be possible to do more, from the
stair: of the engrossment of the bills, than to forward the
bills through that House iu the course of the evening, and
to have them ready for the other House to-morruw, tie
hoped they would not experience resistance, as tiothiug
could be more fatal to the efficacy of the bills. The south
and south-west of Ireland were in open rebellion, as the
documents proved;
but it was not rebellion hi soppart of
the theoretical principles that designated the resistance
that appeared in other parts of the %told ; it was open
resistaiiesi to Government and social order; and lie hoped
it would be met in time, aud with a firm hand, as it was a
rebellion of plunder and murder; fur otherwise it might
assume a more impostant aspect, partaking oh a religious
character. AS to the conciliatory measure hinted at by a
right km. luau unet, he hoped it would be little less than
offering a isi eoliths' fur hum ection in all Wore times. It
was not hiss a rebellion *halt broke out in a country
somewhat wider the government of law. to the ieuellions
districts, the object of the invisible Covet omen or roar
was to plunder as well as to murder, to destroy all sal
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that could no where be entlured with safety to the people,
to property, and to good order. All had been done that
could be done to avoid applying for severer measeres—
het all was vain. I ,torissalimi had been seceived t het the
rharacter of toe outage. had breoine iuore aggi avated—
so aggravated is to become more and peculiarly paintuf
to hint. connected with the country as he was. He hoped
he should not be pressed for the reasons which induced
the Lord Lieutenant to call for the suspension of the Ha-
beas Corpus Act, especially when it came to be recol-
lected that it was the rebellion of the ignorant classed
alone. He trusted lie had laid down grave grounds for
applying for the and if it were agreed that they
should tie granted, he thought they could not be agreed
to too soot,. He concluded with moving for base to
bring iu a bill to suppress insurrection, and to prevent
disturbance of the public peace in Ireland.
Si, J. NEW PORT said it was painful to him to be corn-
pelted to Miler from many of those who were highly
respected by him, bit his practice in that House, and his
experienre its Ireland, compelled hint to Snell es/Oise. In
May, 1817, he moved an Address for an inquiry into the
state of Ireland, with the view of remedying the evils in
the future Stuoion. That was negatived. fine country
was then in tranquillity ; but had it been agreed to, in-
quiry might have prevented the evils now deplored. Was
lie then to blame if lie withheld his confidence from those
who refused inquiry ? lie was convinced that a milder
course %wild be more advisable than the measures of rash-
;less which some scented so ardently to desire.
Mr. C. GRANT was teady in acknowledge, that at the
time he quitted Ireland he should not have been prioared
to recommend such a sileastsre as that now proposed, but
recently circumstances had occurred which operated to
cheege his opittien, and he now considered this measure
called for by the state of the country. He was the more
ready to t the measure, which went to repose such
a paver iii the hands of the govermuent, because lie
knew that the sentiments of the noble Marquis, now at
the head of the govet !tomtit, entertainuil liberal views on
the subject of It i•li policy.
Lord ER RIN uTos sans against vesting in the hands
of men in the subordinate offices of government in Le-
land inch powers as the insult rection act gave.
Mr. lIROUGH.t.itI agreed with the hot,. member (Mr.
Grant) in all lie had said of the noble alarquis, now at
the head of the Irish government. lie knew tic liberal
principles of that illustrious nobleman; his talents lac
government, and the extended view lie took of every
subject, and mast readily would hue give that noidentan
Lis confidiarce, lint because the nieasnre now proposed
was not a measure of confidence, lie opposed it. It
rather went to shackle the power of the government of
Ireland, than to strengthen it, and lie was t oatinced
mold produce evil iteitend of good. For by the bills
sa hich the noble Lord had now ollered to the House,
must enormous power wits vested in die hands of the ma -
gistiney of petty districts, men actuated by patty feeling
and local interests tallier than the general good of the
country. The application was founded on partial state-
ments and partial ilistni bailees; und were they on such
grounds to suspend Ilse laws and constitution of Leland.
Lord LONDONDERRY replied.
The gallery Was then c.eared fur a division. For the
measure thS, against it airs. Majority for the bill 127.
A second division look place on the first trading. for
the tirst reading 202, against iz. 41. The hill was then
read a second time. Adjourned at one o'clock.
tat pay, len. Itt.
The House met at half past twelve o'clock, and then
proceeded to present the Adilreas to his Majesty on the
King's speech. The House then arijoinned till five
o'clock, at which time it resumed its sitting.
Lot d FOLKES lONE then costiplained of the manner
in which the House ha,' adjourned, not re-assembling
before tour o'clock, as members could only take their
oaths before that huur ; by such means members might
be deprived of their votes. The House Wight to have
adjourned till to-morrow, or re-assembled before tour
o'clock.
'Flit SPEAKER next informed the House that the Ad-
dress had been preseuteil to the King, to which his Ma-
jesty bad been I.lrused su tettoris a must gracious answer,
iu the terms.
Mr. 11. 14 RUM MOND brought in a hill for the better
lighting and cleansing of Edsu,bugh, aud for the im-
provement of that city's polies..
ILCHESTER GAOL.
Mr. Altletnian 1W001) presented a petition front the
Ann of Mr. Huts!, eciiiiilaining that intereOnise with Isis
lather had been telirrd. The firths r Lath also been de-
prived ol visits flout his solicitor, his singes's), ilse. and all
upon inks pia-paled more than three
_scar. ago, and re-
cently signed by tiller Jotters. There had been an order
made lint ly to pet mit intercourse between Ilse solicitor
unit slit 14,4.11, 1,111 1111 111111er persons acre compelled to
peak thintigh iron gratings, as wits the conduct observed
lonalsls leloos„ late gaoles, w I u was pi et.ounced 10
lie tiviii.setstalv, Lid beto..lescha,ged, and yet such con-
duct aas ptusard insanity MI. limit. the hoped that the
11•11111. it )11. 1111111, However waling it might be 111 50105
C.llll, ausolil not prevent the I toast! lions doing justice.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL said. that au inquiry
was pine on in the Court of King') Much.
Sir F. Buituorr said, 11141 what might be going on in
Ilse King's Rotel' ought nut to prevent that House from
listeunig to the complaint. The sentence on tslr. Hunt,
wider all the circimistancee, was must disgraceful, and
was More calculated to Wing the Courts into disrepute
• than any thing that hail happened since the lime of the
SI isarls,wht-11 'lel son, a ere to pay ott std g I likes
tallier thus to punkt' Our the particular ollence. The
senlenve st Ina ye surpsised eve, y 110111'S1 110111 in the
country. (Cheeis.) lie was Ilrgisit!esl of all the counts
but one, and that involved a point of law t nett as the
meeting took place looter the sanction of the law, HS the
poil ties fifidgfifi and Judging front the summing up of
the Judge the slightest winislitnetit Won'd have hi:nut-quit
to the jui•ill eof the cii•e. (Cheesy.) Near three Yeats
itiiiiiisutimeati Was tit ilsell almost as bail its tie :Atli, but it
was quite scandalous that gaolers and istagislralt s should
have the poster to idle' inns solitasy confinement Ow sun.
tence ut iispristiosinent. ( Ili ar, hear, hear.) 'Io shut s
however, the mouse, lie 111.-I'll add, 111.11 1111 F‘else-
tiswi Ibis., whirls it Was sand say 10 be. I emit it lo.ail lovt fi
.iilitreed, it was bald, tinder aggravated ens 11111,1•1111•1• S ;
but (hie was alter Mr I laid bath c•cuitieneed that uailto-
lions ituititty which triminateil iu the exposure dis-
ILis•ion of the gai 'her. lit ar.)
Mr It 1•1111; izsT ohm., sett, that it aas forininite that
tiie at ni it the hies aas I I In be silting eimo:rii to put
due i au imiividual Lai h t n 11,touviiig