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London, England, 1821-05-07 00:00:00

Dlr. M. A. 9'Al; WI( moved 'bat it be committed.

Mr. D. GILBERT wished Hie (14y for the commitment
to be so dishmt as to afford time for coosidei et ion.

Mr. Alderman %VOW) said, he hail consulted soine well-
informed persons on the subject, and they thought that it
was impossible to carry the principle of the bill into elm-
elation us tar as regarded the mines in Cornwall. All the
ruiners could not alter their engines according to the plan,
and yet if they did not they would be liable to prosecu-
tions.

Mr. M. A. TAYLOR observed, that the worthy Alder.
MAWS friends wei r alarmed about nothing—the alterations
desired to be made would coat 101. Malicious proaren-
tions were guarded against by the bill—and a period Of
lour months at least would be given to make the required
alterations.

Sir W. LEMON would not oppose the motion—but in
the comtnittee he should propose to exempt the lire en-
gines iu the wild parts of Curnwall.—Ordered to be coin•
mined uq ,Mueiday.
Leave of absence was given to Lord F. Osborne on
account ut severe
The report of the Spoiled Stamps bill was ordered to
be forilier considered on Friday next...

Mawr .oseicit.—Mr. G. BENNETT complained of the
detective and garbled reports that had been laid before
the house respecting the audit. Fur instance, there was
the evidence of Sergeant I'raed, which occupied three
entire days, wholly omitted. Several documents were not
only emitted, but they had been taken away even from the
clerk of parliament. By what authority such records ut
parliament had been withdrawn, or what had become of
them, lie did not know ; but such conduct threw great
suspicion on the whole business. He should more fur the
several papers that had been omitted.
Mr. D. GILBERT, as chairman of the commission,
vindicated the conduct of the co 11111 l issioners. Mitch of
the evidence was of an ex parse character, and the com-
missioners thought it would be unjust to adduce such es
parte statements, there not having been time to receive
explanations of them. They were suppressed from no
other motive.

Mr. HINE looped the bill would be postponed toll the
inquiries could be completed—till the commission could
revise the whole system.
Alter some remarks from Mr. Lushington and Mr. Tre-
mayne,
Mr. BENNETT expressed himself satisfied with many
of the explanations that had been made—but it did seem
that all the documents and evidence, excepting those laid
before the house, had been withdrawn.

Mr. DENNI.A& said, that there were near 40 public
bills stood fur discussion this week. He lamented that
the business of the session was left to the latter end of it.
blost of the business was left till after Easter. He had
looked at the votes for the last six years, and he f 1
that 191 bills were agreed to before Easter, and 1946 bills
after Easter, so that about one-seventh of the business
only was done before Easter.
The bill was afterwards ordered to be read a second
time on Tuesday next.
Mr. HUME presented a petition front law stationers,
complaining of the Spoiled Stamps bill. It purported to
be one of regulation—but, in real.:y, it would impose ad •
ditionA ditties, lie theretbre hoped time would be granted
to consider the hill. It also proposed regulations respect-
ing stamp distributors, and that too while a committee
were on the subject.
Captain MABERLY said, the bill was one of revenue,
and yet it was endeavoured to be smuggled through as
one of regulatiou.—Petition read, and ordered to lie on
the table.

REFORM.—Lord J. RUSSELL Slid, respecting the no-
tice that had been given by Mr. Bennett in his absence,
that he should certainly bring forward, on the 9,1 i of May,
his resolutions respecting county and borough reform.
SUPPLY.—The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved that the house resolve into a committee ul supply.
Mr. CURWEN said, at last it appeared that some
sensation was made in the public department, after all the
exertions made by lion. friends near him. He uwlurstuvd
that circulars weir sent to the several department* to as
eel iain w hat reductions could lake place ; but hr was
aliaid they were about to begin at the wrung cud—at the
tail instead of the head. The grants already agreed to
would again come before them in the shape ol resolutions.
The house could then re-consider their votes. With this
view lie should move, as an amendment, a resolution that
it was expedient to irvise the salaries of some attar Wee
officers in the army department, as the nation neither
ought, nor was it able to pay such large salaries.

Lord PALMERSTON said, he never heard a more
extraordinary proposition. It the government had not
proposed some inquiries and efforts to make all possible
reduction. then this resolution might be proposed with
some show of propriety. B:d the resolution was regard-
ing what was not before the house. In a few days the
matters must come before the house in the shape of reso-
lutions ; in the mean time, why was the house to stultify
itself ?

Mr. CURWEN replied, ilia: the noble lord could not
have heard the resolutions read. it was to pledge the
house, when the sums came before it, again seiiously to
consider the grants. Whatever the house might vote or
ay, the country would agree with him that the clerks
were only to be sacrificed ; that the heads of the office's
were to be spared.
Sir C. LONG denied that any such intention existed, or
that any thing warranted the aemaak.
Mr. G. BENNETT approved of the resolution. It WBS
must proper. He wished the country to see what an un-
reformed House of Commons *catty was.
Mi. HUME 'aid, the nohte lord was only called on to
pledge him.elf to do what he promised. He thought it
was a t proper motion, though, had he advised the
resolution, he I.llollld have pi °posed it to be made on the
bringing up of the report.

The Martini. of LONDONDERRY did not see the
neceNsity of affirming every rcsulotiun that it might be
expedient hereafter to make.

Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON supported the resolution.
It was mug props r, an preceding ettarts had failed. It
would show• that the home really 1.11 for 4 suffering peo-
ple. But if there were eu DiLitus of checking rho extra-

•agaoce of ministers, he feared that the people would
cease to have confidence in the house.
The gallery was then cleared for a division on the
amendment. The numbers were—For it 22—Against it
62—Majority 30.
The house then went into the committee.
Lord PALMERSTON proceeded to move the necessary
grunts fur equipping troops for the East Indies, 23,1271.
•Agreed to.
Lord PALMERSTON moved 16,2001. for the Royal
Military Academy.
Mr. HUME objected to the grant. He disapproved of
the institution. The country was called on to pay emir.
moos expences for young men for the army who never
could get into the army. In the last five years the col•
lege had cost about 120,0001. I here had been upwards
of •100 young men educated, but only 169 had been ad-
mitted, and thus their average expense each was lltd.
and upwards.—(llear.) Could it he desirable to keep
up so extravagant an establishment? If education were
requisite,
had received no military education. The system ought
to be altered; there ought to be no more educated than
were to have commissions. He, however, thought that
it would be better really to do away with the college ; or,
if continued, only to educate those who should receive
commissions ; who should not be turned ■drift after have
lug had a military education. The staff cost upwards of
KW!. to take care of 290 boys. There was a governor,
with 15001. a year, and four horses, a deputy-governor,
Ate. and the professors were equally extravagant. There
were four French teachers ; why would not one do? and
there were live clerks to keep their accounts. Was such
au establidinieut necessary ? Those young men ought to
help themselves; and yet they had treble the number of
assistants allowed in another seminary. He proposed a
reduction of 7,2001.
After sonic further conversation the committee divided
—For the amendment 23—against it 32. The original
motion was then agreed to.
Lord PALNIERSTON next moved that 175,9001. be
granted for the pay of generals not having reg. .uts.—
Agreed to.
The next proposition was, that 28,0001. be granted for
the pay of gueeinors of garrisons.
Mr. 111.1:11E said, some of the appointments were moat
extravagant, and ought to be done away with. He par-
ticularly instanced that of Gibraltar, given to the Earl of
Chatham. In his lordship's hands it was a complete sine-
cure, indeed there was a deputy with 3,5001.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied, that the
governorship of Gibraltar was not so complete a sinecure,
as Lord Chatham was about to proceed on his appoint-
ment.

Colonel DAVIS contended, that such fact was no proof
of the inutility of the appointment; berides, it had been
understood that on the death of the Duke of Kent the
governorship should be abolished, instead or which a suc-
cessor was appointed with what he might term indecent
babte.
On the grant of guards and garrisons,
Mr. HUME proposed to reduce the sum named iu the
resolution, by taking from it 19001. on the ground that so
111111:11 might be saved on the garrisons of Berwick and
Gibraltar.
After some discussion the committee divided on this
proposition :
For the amendment 20
Against it
Majority against the amendment-67

On the resolution for granting 115,6001. for half-pay
officers,
Mr. HUME proposed a rednction of 13,8701. for half-
pay of having oppointnients iu the veteran batta-
lions.
A long conversation followed on this proposition, which
was, however, disposed of without a division, the amend-
ment being negatived.
On the proposition for granting 121,2651. to officers of
foreign corps.
Mr. HUME proposed to reduce the grant 3,0591. at
present paid by officers for agency, from which charge,
be said, the officers ought to be relieved, and then that
sum might be saved to the public.
Lord PALMERSTON contended that this agency was
necessary in justice to the foreign officer, whose set vices
we had taken advantage of during the war, and who
ought now to receive their pay without diminution foe
agency or oilier cause.
• Colonel DAVIS said, he understood there were many
instances of foreign officers receiving hall-pay from our
government, and at the same time holding commissions in
tereign armies. This lie contended ought not to be per-
mitted.
Lord PALMERSTON said, lie had inquired into this
subject, and the result was, that no foreign officer haviue
accepted in foreign service, had drawn his halt-pay from
this government.
'flue resolution for the original slum was, after some
further conversation, agreed to.
The other resolutions were disposed of, and the House
adjoutued at a late hour.

TUEBD AY, MAY I.

The Westminster Improvements Bill went through a
committee. Report agreed to. aad bill ordered to be read
*third Hine to morrow.
The CII ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was
prepared to begiu business by half-past four o'clock. if gen-
tlemen pleased—the time fur public: business hitherto had
been five, or soon after.

Suert.v.—.AßMT ESTIMATE'.—.—The CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER theu moved, that the report of the
committee of supply be received —Agreed to.
Several of the items were agreed tu.—On the item for
the Star.
Mr. O. BENNETT rose. He observed, that it was the
intention of himself, or Isis hon. friend, to mate hereafter a
eerie' of resolutions as to the establishments. Not with.
standing all thnt had been done, they had neither shamed the
house nor the ministers to reduce either the great sums or the
small j but he felt assured, that the house a mild nt ver
again see such scandalous estinintee. The public would nut
fail to recollect that such advantages would have been
gained by a f•w is Winds but it aas lamentable to think.
ith 17 days exertions they hail beets unable to gain the
lion of the house on the sulfject. Theiettne it wars to-
ed to bring the whole question before the house in a
es of reso!utions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Jellied that
resolut bud linseed a ithout any alteration, nor a here
Y what the house bad an 3 occasion to be ashamed of.
laity of the succeeding resolutions were then agiced to.

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