The National Register.
London, England, 1819-12-19 00:00:00

Far it 88 I Against 262 I Majority, 174,

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When we were re-atrimitted mut thr piilery, we found
Mr. C. lIIIrcHiNioN moving a. clans.•, that the bill
thuuid lint extend to Irelmul.
Mr. PLUS said the members ro.- Ireland
agreed to the eat n-ion d th.c hill to their country. because
they felt that Mere ext.ted a s)tteus ui violence mid ititimi
elation.

—Mr. 'ft LRNEY said, that he could not help 'stir/4:51N
his asiiiiiishittent at the inco bbb b teney of the Noble
con duct. fney had had report, ot• committees, and al trot
biz report, had na eu, in 1811. The If uspripairi of Inc
/wheat corput Lid been founded upon these reports, but
Ireland tra, •%clod d. Ualess, thee*. that the ra. lus nit or
Ireland 111 1617 w.: a vtill reawou tar includins it in 1619,
itecottid see IND yea.oil for it. (Hear. L. ay.)

Lorod CAS ELE %WI denied that Oar thinge wus create
1817. lhe unl now was ware bpneinMie and wore
dangerous tit.til in 1817. the nietr-ure to
Ireland. wit ea teLlit rt no da.tatit period be required. It
was.therefurr biter to give it at wave. (A IruAli.)
IlitOUGst said. teat the rear-on assigned by the
Isiohl Lord for eirosidertug toe danger greater now Oath to
1817, :.ppeared In lor cry whioustral. I'he dungen' were
(greater. Why Because its Ini7 the Nohle Lord was
sail-B.d with a e ..... mon rod. Now. a roil of setopi .... s
was tatted.—( Hear.) —ln 181.7 we wanted but one aura use.
Now site were apadt d. It was felll.llAnDir that genii. Linen
Si. totally forged focuser scenes, and thought each liutet ening
pe rind the worist the world rear 411 W. Tlisee•or four periods
of this tiled occurtett to thecoutse of retry inair's. life, !nth
becoming in its turn, ii,e worst that was ever kuttwu. The
Noble Lord had Corporal hr did wit hlrone kilo, fur till did
oft—hut he bud qrsite forgotten tared/alien ha 1817. Ile 'night
perhaps he confuisitiliog in some awastire whirl had 'seen
plowed in a emu' of justice afterwards with ports of the
reports; hat let his Right Hou. friend (Ur. Plunkett)
!look at the reports' and Wise could say that •tbe trio e-
imitation of our danger now was greater, he ( Mr.
dlrottaliani) would out chaise his vole upon the presume
sorstion. (Hear, irear.j There had heels the Bpencratet
s)ste in. Time lastdilulder was to be plundered, but the
funtlitulder was to Is. rooted out a. Linitaster And yet
we were now told that we were in a worse stale than itt
1817.

For the clause, 69 I Against it, 263 I Majority, 186.
On our retiati lo the gallery, wit footed the house ills.
.sussing some verbal amendment, in the body of the Mt.
The Hone ariiiiornert at 2 o'clock.
TUESDAY, DEC. 14.

Mr. D. %V. HARAIKY cola/erred, that about two years ago
•there had issued a Commisvion to enquire into abuses in the
Excise Hoard and Department; the House had not as yet heard
any thing or the result; he wished to know whether any reports
had been made?
afr—LUSHINGMON replied in the affirmative, observing,
'that he badmo objestion to their production, provided they were
moved for.

Mr. D. W. HARVEY remarked. that as reports had been
made, and as there would be no objection to produce them, he
ehould, on an early day, submit a motion to the House on the
übject. He should nut none the day now.
Lord PALMERSTON 'invented portions of the Army
P.stimates, and gave notice that. as the Estimates could not be
completely made up. he should on Friday move for a grant on
account—a grant on account of the Oldnance would also be
moved for on Friday.
REFORM OP BOROUGHS.—GRAM POUND.

Lord J. RUSSELL rose to make his promised motion. He
raid he brought it termini under great difficulties, and at an
alarming moment—at a time when there was great and dangemus
irritation in the public mind. On one hand, too much was coked
—what would endanger the Constitution; on the other there.
was as dangerous a refusal of all enquiry or correction of the evils.
The behet that there was something wrong in the practice
of the Constitution, particularly of that Iluux, was
not new. (Hear, hear.) When in late years, difficulties
pressed upon the people. they were accustomed to look
Into the Constitution of that floats., and into the music of con.
trouling the expenditure. Mr. Pitt had so expressed himself on
bringing forward his celebrated Reform Motion. He detailed
the evils of the system, pointed to the causes of them, andiasked
when such facts were manifest, was there not proof? of radical
defects ?—(llear).—The spirit of the Constitution, by the
ancient practice of it, proved that it admitted of amelioration
and amendment to meet existing circumstances. and to si dilli-
culties. There were many and interesting proofs, (without
entering into any examination of the diffirent systems of reform
which bad been pressed forward in our time) that when difficul-
ties arose, the remedy supplied by Parliament was that of
representation. The instance of Chesser via a retnurkable proof
.of such fact. But he would nut believe that it woo' be angel
the power to make stick changes did not exist, or th..c than 4P/Cfe
were nut precedents tin sutdi proceedings. These were 40 .be
found. It now appeared that many uf ilomughs openly sold
*heir rights, while there were large distitas thickly peopled, for
which no representatives were required to be returned. This
made that House not that representatigenf the whale nation a
embody as it ought to be. Them Were .many floroughs that
regularly sent ti..eir agents to the treasury to have names
appointed and sumo fixed.; Chip was deemed the roost respectable
mode. Those Boroughs also were open to the specohitunis o
dos nit% or ambitious iodividual&yrof those who waited debt.