The National Register.
London, England, 1822-07-29 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, JULY 22.
The House was summoned to the House of Peers to hear
the royal assent given, by commission, to sundry public bills,
Sec. (See leirds.)
Mr. T. WILSON presented the report of the committee on
the Urpliaue' Fund Bill.
Mr. 11. SUMNER spoke in disapprobation of the measure.
The business of receiver of that fund was, iu fact, performed
for 15111. and yet an hum baronet not only received a per ceut-
age, and held in hie !etude at times 10,0001. He could not
approve of the lien. hareoet's conduct, or of the bill.
Mr. 1.1:1Ut; DEN, in behalf of an old and esteemed friend,
said, thet he did not ceeeider there was the least reflection on
the lion. barouet (Sir \%. Curtis). Ile was not aware that au
bon. member (31r. Sunnier), had intended to oppose the bill.
Mr. SUMNER said, no person who knew hint, or had read
the evidence, could imagines that he could give up the opposi-
tion to this measure. Any person who usserted the costlier',
suede a v cry broad assertion.
Mr. BROGDEN observed, if it were meant to be stated,
that he knew that such assertion was untrue.
Mr. G. BENNET, adverting to the general question, con-
(ceded, that there was nu reason why there should be any third
person and between the collector and the chamberlain.
Mr. 111'31E spoke to the like effect.
On the question, the House divided—Ayes 37, Noes, 14.
Majority 23.
The House again divvied—Ayes 30, Noes 11.
Colonel DAVIS said, that no misrepresentation had gone
gone forth respecting what lie bad said on the subject of the
Turkish vessel.
Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from T. J.Wooler,
complaiuing of the packing of juries—that •• packing," and
violation of the Charter which cost Charles 1. his We, and
James the 11. his crown.
Mr. C. WYNN asked whether it would not be better to
defer the printing of the petition till any charges might be
brought forward.
Sir F. BLRDYTT had no objection. Motion deferred.
Ott the motion of the Irish Coroner's Bill, Mr. S. Rice pro-
posed some amendments.
Mr. R. MARTIN denied that this bill was an es post facto,
as regarded the coroner.
Mr. Goulburn and Mr. Dawson trusted that the amendment
would be withdrawn, as •t would tend to make the bill hopes
relive. Amendment negatived.
Mr. S. RICE proposed some other amendment, on which the
Hones was about to divide; but it was withdraws.
The report was agreed to ; and bid ordered to be read a
third time on Weduesday.
SCOTLAND.—Mr. ABERCROMBY understanding
that his motion for correspondence between the Lord Advocate,
der. of which he had given notice 1.. r to-morrow, was to be op-
posed, lie should ant press thut elution. He was satisfied that
tithing would be useful but a committee on this, subject. When
the documents already ordered should be produced, he should
be able to judge of the necessity of further enquiry ; but io the
mean time be pledged himself, early in the !text sessions, to
move for a committee, and to prosecute the question with all
the zeal in his power.
The LORD AD% OCATE observed, that he had no objection
to the protection of the correspondence, though the ',misdeed
motion was rather an extraurdistary character; he only wanted
the sasuplest enquiry.
'I he House went into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. GOULBURN reeved, that there be granted 02301. for
buildine Churches in Ireland.
Mr. 11631 E opposed the motion. He should resist any fur-
ther grant till he knew what the Church already possessed. The
Irish Church was a cormerant. Ile trusted that `nut one shil-
ling more would be granted to it. Ile hoped that much of that
property would be in the next Session brongtit to the public. ac-
count. This might startle some gentlemen—but be sincerely
hoped that such would be the case. He should resist any
further grant.
Mr. S. RICE said, the way in which Protestantism was pro-
moted in Ireland was in the chaps of a tax was that likely to
be successful!
Mr. C. W YNN spoke in favour of the grant. It was incum-
bent on them to supply the places of worship for the Protest-
ants in Ireland,
Mr. G. BEN,!ET said, would they vote 10,0001. more to the
richest church iu Europe, and a church that did less for its
receipts than soy other church?
Mr. lICM E read some extracts from reports, in support of
his resistance of the motion of further enquiry.
Mr. GOULBOURN had no objection to inquiry, or to the
production of any information couuected with his °thee.
Mr. R. MARTIN supported the grant.
Mr. NIONCS was against the greet.
The gallery was cleared for a division. The numbers were
—For the resolution, Y6—Against it, 17—Majority, 0.
Several other items were disposed of without any d• • 'on.
Upon the resolution for 73001. for printing proclamations and
government advertisements, &c. iu the Gazette, and various
other Irish newspapers.
Mr. HU ME cemplained that the distribution of the Govern—
meet advertisements was made a matter of Government patron •
al;', and not ges•en to those papers which had the widest
circulation. but to those which euppurted the conduct of ministers,
whether they had any circulation or not. He believed Wine
papers were kept up only fur the purpose of receiving the Go—
vernment edvetusements. Ile was sorry to say the same system
etas tieeping into this country. Obscure weekly papers were
favoured with a large portion of the public adverneements, whilst
toe daily paper, os me highest circulation were ever thought of.
lie moved, as an amendment, to reduce the grant te 5,0001.
Mr. GOIILBURN defended the system adopted by the Irish
Government. and denied that the advertisements of Government
were made a source of Government patronage.
After some conversation the committee divided—For the grant
43—Fur the amendment, 1 t—Majority in &vow of the origina
grant, 77.
The rest of the high Estimates were, after wine discussion,

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disposed of; the I.,at proeosed by Mr. Gotruttiax was, a
further sum of ::00,04:01. to be :Tidied as occasion required to
telieve the wants of the distressed population of that country.
The committee then proceeded to dispose of the remaining
English miscellaneous estimates, and Mr. ARBUTIINOT pro.
I ewit a resolution for granting 200,0001. for the contingencies of
tic Civil List not provided for.
Mr. HUME proposed to reduce the sum by 50,0001
Mr. ARBUTH NOT defended the original vote.
Mr. H. G. BENNET supported the amendment.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY defended the original
vote. None of the exuaordinaries went into the pockets of the
foreign ministers.
Mr. NIONCK supported the amendment.
After a few words from Mr. H. GURNEY, the committee
divided upon the amendment, when there appeared—For it, lY
—Against it, 62-Almjulity, 50.
The next resolution was, that a sum not exceeding 18,7001.
be granted to his Majesty for the purpose of defraying the mci.
denial expences of the mixed commission for putting down the
illicit traffic in slaves.

Mr. BERNAL thought that the rant entailed upon the
country unnecessary expence.
Mr. W. SMIT ki tiAtowed on the same side.

Sir G. COCKBUHN defended tli. grant.
Dr. LUSIIINGTON 'unveil, that the grant be reduced to
174001.

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Atter a few words from the Marquis of LONDONDERRY and
Mr. Aaatr•lltraOT, who supported the original grant, the
amendment was negatived without a division.
The following resolutions were then agreed to:-
310,0001. tin deliayiiig the out-jvci.bluitelli of Greenwich Hos-
piuL
4,5001. for three of the
revenue of Ireland.

for inquiring into the

30,0001. towards t.efraying the expences of building courts of
justice in Westminster Halt.
9711. ins. to enable his Majesty to make allowances to the
servants of het late Majesty Queen Caroline.
12,5001. on account of the allowances that would have been
due in October la t, to be applied to the payment of her Majesty's
debts.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then proposed
a vote of 7,3001. to Mr. Henry Burgess, in compensating for
expences incurred by him in prosecution of his scheme fur the
more speedily forwarding of letters by an extra mail.
The teso.ution was agreed to.
Mr. W. COURTEN AY moved a resolution to the effect the
a sum not exceeding 12,8841. be granted to W. Gwintsee and J
H. Robinson, whose estates, as two American loyalists, were no
contemplated by the vote of last session, but who, nevertheless
were precisely in the same situation us the parties then provided
for.

After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the Excult—
%WElL and Sir F. OMHANEY, the resolution was agreed to.
Tile house then resumed, the Chairman reported progress, and
obtained leave to sit again to-morrow.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at one O'ClOCk.
TVESDAY, NLY 23.

Mr. WALLACE presented a further report from the Com-
mittee on Foreign Trade.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel WOOD gave notice, that on Tuesday next he should
more a series of Resolutions on the subject of the Law of Set-
tlement.

The East India Company's Loan Bill, and the Silk Bounties'
Bill, were read a third time and passed.
The New South Vi ales Duties' Bill, and national monu-
ment (Scotland) Bid, were read a third time and passed.
The Greenland Fisheries Bill went through a Committee.—
Report to-morrow. •
Mr. C. W. W YNN presented • petition from Mr. Mitiord,
one of his Majesty's Commissioners for enquiring into the
Courts of Justice, Ireland, rebutting statements in Saran
O'Grady's letter. Petition read. The petitioner prayed for
leave to prove at the Bu the error of the Baron's statement.—
. .

Ordered to be printed.
The Commercial Credit Bill, Ireland, was read a second time
—Committee tu•morrow.

lhe Irish Stamp Duties Reduction Bill was reed a seemed
time. Committee on Friday.
Pttcsa, &orta ND.- The LORD ADVOCATE moved for a
production of the authority on which such law officer of Scot-
land issued the '• concourse," as applicable to the ease of
Borthwick. He was desirous of sheaving that the concourse"
was greeted as a matter of course. He wished to give the
hou. member opposite (Mr. Abercromhy) an opportunity to ex-
plain some matters that had taken place in the progress of re-
cent proceedings regarding the prosecutions i Scotland. He
might have met them at the time, hut he had adopted a different
course. Mr. Hope was not answerable for his conduct. It
was the intention to proceed against Borthwick. The law offi-
cers for the Crown had considered that such case ought to be
prosecuted. If Mr. Hope's advice had been followed, there
would have been a prosecution at Glasgow. He had to tO/11-
plain of Bic notices riven by Mr. Abercrotuby, and of the
postponements from April. He would remark that iu the course
of what he had done respecting Mr. Stuart, he had been actuated
by a desire to serve rather than to injure that gentleman.--
But how did the hon. and teethed member know that he (the
Lord Advocate) knew any thing of the ease of Borthwick ?
There were many criminal proceedings in Scotland of which
the Lord Advocate knew nothing. As to the treatment which
Borthwick had experienced, he declared to God that be was
ignorant of what was going forward. He therefore trusted thrt
the lion. and learned gentleman Would explain, why he had
brought forward charges against absent persons without having
previously given notice of such intentions. These explanations
were requisite, because corrupt, political, and shameful motives
had been attributed to the law officers of Scotland. He con-
cluded with tooting for the authority before mentioned.
Mr. ABLItCBOMBY expressed his astonishment at the
course which the Lord Advocate had deemed it right to per
sue. He believed that course was wholly unprecedented--
That public officer now deemed it right to come does with •
supplemental evidence; the proceeding was most extraordinary
—yet such mode bad been adopted. What he (Mr. Aber-
cramby) had done, be still approved ; if the proceedings were
again to be adopted, he should again pursue the coarse he had
previously pursued ; and he knew that what he had dose, and
especially what lie ihould do, was on his own single, judo t-
dual responsibility. From that responsibility he did not, he
should not shrink. He now knew, from what had been the
practical result, that such was the case ; he now knew from
what had happened, that whoever hereafter appeared as a pub'
lie accuser, must do it on his own personal responsibility ; that
be must stand alone. That wan what was now established.—
He cared not; lie should proceed on his own personal respon-
sibility. That the Lord Advocate should complain of igno-
rance of matters that were adduced, was to bun a matter of
astouishment. The communications with Edinburgh were fre-
quent enough ; the Lord Advocate might have bad information,
if lie had desired it. He mentioned Mr. Hope, because he
deem it essential to the case ; whether he had mentioned
Mr. Mena es or out, he did not kuow ; some said he had not ;
it was at all events a matter of indifference to him. Ile had
, also mentioned Mewl. Cheer, Mac Neill, Niamo, &c. This