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ALIENS.

Lord HaLLAXD rose, Tuiurrinatice of his notice,
to move fur the production of copies or extracts of
all correspondence that may have taken place be-
tween the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and
the Ministers of soy Foreign Power respecting the
treatment of aliens in this country. In en doing,
he could not deny that he had bon influenced
partly by the circumstance of there being • Bill.
connected with this suhject now pending in another
place. but more particularly for the porpoise of
drawing their Lordships' attention to the system of
policy adopted by the British Government with re-
gard to the unfartsonste prosicnbrd persons who
were iminediately subject to the influence of the
Alien Act. It was necessary to shew what the 13 s.
tern was. of which liar Alien Bill funned a part;
and if this were so on any former occasion, it
was doubly so at present. On a humor evening
he lied asked the Noble Lord opposite, whether
the renewal of the Alien Bill had been suggested
by the recomenesidatioos of foreign Powers? but
the Noble Lord had answered that the mea-
sure well proposed solely on views of British
policy. It lied, however, been acknowledged in
another place. that there were no fears entertained
fur the internal tranquillity of this country, and
the measure was at present desirable, chiefly with a
view to the preventing Esegland from being the
scene of any conspiracies against the trunquillity of
foreign States. He did not state this to shew any
inconsistency between the Noble Lord's view of the
case and that which was avowed by Ins colleagues,
because lie was well aware how easily the ingenuity
of the Noble Lord might reconcile them, by repre•
venting the interests of England as intimately con-
nected with the tranquillity and repose of the con-
tinental Governments. He did nut, however, mean
to enter into any special pleading on the subject,
but the acknowledgmerit of the danger that might
arise to England arid to Europe from is few misera-
ble foreigaiers, assembling in this country e.as a very
humiliating confession to come from the mouth of a
Statesman who had been vaunting his success in
every part of the empire. but who now com-
pelled to own. that the texture which lw had formed
on the wreck of States, and had affected to confirm
by the waste of British blood arid treasure. was of
so flimsy a natures that should u few Frenchmen
breathe the air of freedom in this coital, their
breath would endanger the entire system of Eu-
rope.—/Hear, hear.)—lf then, as was admitied,
the interests of foreign Stater only bud rendered
the Alien Bill necessary, it must of course follow,
that the mode of enforcing it, and the individuals
against whom it was to be directed, should depend
altogether upon foreign Governments. Arid as
in the financial system we had been obliged to
acknowledge the influence of foreign Govern-
merits, whose loans were capable of deranging oar
whole system, so iu the treatment of aliens the
British Parliament were likewise rendered subser-
vient to the views and directions of u M. Fondle,
or a M. De Cur, or any other Minister of Police
its foreign Sitars. Would it be stated that thin Bri-
tish Government hail estublished a British Police
in foreign States Io ascertain itie character of
indi-
viduals; or could it hr sums's. d that Monsters
were enabled by a Frenchman's face on his snivel
in this country, to discover whether he was a par-
tiro.. of the fallen Emperor, or in adherent to the
Bourbons t—t Hear, hear /—Bun 1101 11111 h this view
slid he so much consider the he would have the
I ur of submitting to their Lordships irecessary,
as that it would Aloid them all opportunity of ex.
&mining the general forrien policy pursued by Mi-
nisters. • Thal would probably, as in soother
place, be told of the dangers that had arisen Prow

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thew sok listing beewats Alien Act in the krugdoin
of the Netherlands, aid that the ill consequences
of suels•an mairsiou wens to be area to the
cal attelupt lately made in Pans against the lir,: 4
Ike Duke of .Welliugtuu. But it oat orifintomste
Illr this argument, tls.t for two year,, timing which
time there was do Alien. Act in the Setheilanda.
no act of violeuce bad been attempted, aunt that
this late event lied occurred daring the six miontbs
that the country bad been blessed by on ct.
It might be important to coosidei how
mry
Act had been introduced into the Nellie.) on,,a, the
country which most in Europe wa. Ceillllet tied to
interest with Great Britain. Whether it iled ari.tak
'out of a fair view of the doinesti:: policy of the
'State, or had been caused by the shrcicii-g inter.
Terence of this country—whether having, contrary
to good policy and justice,, compelled the union of
:Holland and the Netherlands, forcing upon them the
title of • kingdom. and having compelled the pre-
'Pent- Somesign, iu viuketiau of
~bia own gond .sei.se
mad good taste (and no man lied More good artier,
good taste. and a nobler or better
.heart, than the
present Snvereign of the Netherleisdv), to accept
the title of King7-ne were now compelling that
Monarch end dust country to practise the ineup
little arts of osir own policy, which were essentially
different from the more generous principles which
had once elevated Eli.lland to a proud yrienterice.
He prayed the House to attend for a moment iie
the opiuion of a great writer of our owls country,
Sir William Temple, who, iii reference to the hos,
pliable maxims of the Dutch peeiple, thus expres-cd
himself:—" Besides, it has ever been the gsw.t
principle of the State to make their country a
common refuge for miserable men, from whose pits.
tection no treaties, or other circunistatices, can ever
divert or remove them ; so that during a great past
of the period in which that people were dependant
upon Henry IV. of France, there was uo 'termite
disgraced or banished from the Court of that
Monarch, to whont the State ever refused tbe
of light and air, under the protection ot their qu-
veresinerit." Such had been the uniform practice
of the Dutch Government. It was unnecessary to
allude to the number of persons who took rrlu_e ip
the United States, at the dine of the attache .tion t f
James IL; but there Was no iostance of norir gene.
unity iu that respect more remarkable than the
asylum they afforded in the reign of Charles
to the Earl of Shaftesbury, wito had for
years concluded every speech he ever deliVerid
Parliament, with the expression " Carthago est
de/tacit'," as applied to the Dutch Republic. Such
had been the fundamental and it utabie maxiire
of that Government; but it would seem a. tl 4,is
Majesty's Ministers had discovered a slew principle
for the domestic conduct of the Netherlands, us
they had, under the pretence of rsiornisig the an.
dent balance in Europe, violated every recogo:hica
principle of policy, with regard to tile tailings of
Holland and the Austrian Netherlands. Tina
union they had effected notwithstanding the dolor's
of King William the Third, that the size of qie
country was too small to maintain a large army;
while from its shape it was Impossible to defied it
with a small army. They hail effected it rte open.
vision to the recorded opinion of De Witt; and
thus they who pretended to be the restorers of the
ancient system of Europe, having reduced the
United States from the policy which bad rendered
them powerful, they endessvoiared to drive them front
the principles that had made them respectable.
Hr had understood that the mule business of tliit
British Ambassador to the Netherlanda was to hoot
out the suspected French refugees, and so tattoo.
guish by every means the principle of liberty in the
country. What the consequeirces might be to this
country, it would be prudent to consider. Wheel
Napoleon invaded Spain, the Noble Lord Opposite
remarked. that from that moment the tsar (to use
his own words, now not .o fashionable es they used
to be) had assumed a diffiietit feature. The war
from that moment became a war of the people, rind
iu all our subsequent triumphs they were ettributed
to the concurrence of the people with their respi.c.

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tire Governments. Was it then of no corm-queues
in our foreign policy to have the concurrence of tire
people, as well as of the Goveronien ? But by
wind fatality did it happen, that after psittiog doevs
Napoleoo, England should, over the whole extent
of the Continent, be considered the last 11141/011 is
Europe that would strike a bluw in the cause of
freedom? Did the Noble Lord think this churat:ter
of little consequence to our Interests 1-e- Did fir rely
so much ou the security of the reseiet system,
which a few miserable foreigners collected in Eng-
land were supposed capable of derunging, as nut in
dread the possibility of a war ? To enable tiit,r
Lordships to form a correct opinion upon die
Lure of our foreign policy, he should conclude by
moving—
" That an humble Address be presented to his RO,lll
Highness the Prises Regent, praying that be would tat
graciously pleased to have laid on the table of the
Copies ur Estraets of all Corresponienee that rimy twee
taken place since the lid of November, ISIS, between his
Majesty's Principal Secretory of lime for &Neigh Afai,o,
and the Ministers of any Fare*n rowels, respecting the
treatment of Aliens in this Cone try;
" Also, Copies or Extracts ut all Correspondence ii, tt
may have taken place since the 2111uf November ,IA it. be-
teem his Majesty's Principal Secretary of State fur lure,*,
Affairs and the British Arnba9ssdor at the Color, of the
Netherland', relatiog to the granting of Pamspuris t• •,.y
persons nut being subjeets of the United Kis.gtiutu,
lives of any of the States of the Netherlands."

The Earl of Liven/woe found Himself Hiller
the necessity of opposing the m.•tsoti of the N
Lord, who inhumed that he had been induced •0*
make it beesnie a Bill was prOing in she 141, r
House of Parliament for continuing the Mien Act.
With respect to that Bill, he had ou Gilmer oceo.
coo, alum a,ked lay the Noble Lord, at•rerseil
the roam distinct and ungwilitiad terms, th4t tie
measure had not been suhtnitt.d to Puriia:n.q.t ut
the desire Or suggrativii of any foreign Power, but
solely aide a view to die domestic p..l:ty of Eng-
land. How the provisions of the law hen hdheato
been executed, the House might judge, on It ziriw.g
that not more thou thtee alicus had been diisra

Irma the kingdom, and that in no case any re.
ferenee been made to 11w desire of any foreign Go.
"eminent. There therefore existed Ito ground fur
stating that the renewal of the measure was de..
sounded for inch reasons. The present wet not the
peeper period for disclaiming the grounds on which
arliament, two years ago, had been induced to
sanction the measure. The right of excluding, it
should be understood, belonged to the Crown by
common law ; the Alien Act, merely gave a more
enosinary way of carrying that right into rarer-
Hut it was impassible us deny, that in the
present state of Europe touch regard
~,nust be
bad in the policy of one State towards what was
doing iu another'; and if there existyd'itilattother
Government a right of excluding certain den-
gerous characters, who were thereby. Pored into
the siirroondiug States, would it he .i.e to
let this country remain unprotected by a coon-
tervailing measure ? The Noble Earl denied that
this country had ever interfered iu the interne) aft irk
'of another State, so tie in by dinnpr'to allert its
d!, 'livi or comp/waist, its inaePenditice. The
Noble Lord, he obienva, hatinvpoltey but justly of
the character or the present King of the. Nether-
lends, bat he would add, that it was the voice of
his people had called him beet, afld had invested
hiM with the title he enjoyed. The onion of
and the Netherlands was not a question
then fur disetniion, but should it ever come before
their 'Lordships, he traded. without controverting
the high authorities prodliced by the Noble Lord,
whose opinions ire*, uo doubt, all very correct in
reference to the times in which thej wee uttered.
he 'should be enabled toshew twat the interests both
of Holland and thp Netherlands roistered such
a titeartire neeessary. If, howevei, the Noble Lord
fancied that the dfsposition or loyalty of the people
had been in the slightest degree affected by the
union. he was very mach mistaketi, for there was
1101 a country in Europe irbere the people were
insure attached to their bovereign than iu the Nether-
land.. After the removal of the iron yoke which
bid weighed down Europe, the People of that
*sentry had now the esloyment of an excellent
Constitution, materially improved by acts Which .
retold not have been ilie result of any foreign in..
%armee. The Noble Lora hid spoken of the former
policy of this country and of Holland, in redpect o
the admission Of strangers"; bat he (Lord Liverpool)
wOuld.say it for 'Great Britoil' sod fee a •
country to which, isext to his own. he Fee *pt at-
tached of any in Europe, that their polity MO IR WW.
respect altered ; they each still held their, dims
been to the foreigner who came in tilt optiiness of
rriendship, or alto sought for shelter from state or
religious perseratiou. Out in offering hsOsOfalifyi
lives there no difference to be held between the ine-
titorious or the evil-disposed ?--Or could it be sup-
limed that the State, like individuals. had no
power of shutting its doori agaipal ill, incendiary
and the robber ? The Priuciple of reasoning foreign-
ere by the sole power of the Criniii lid bees already
frequently recognised by solemn treaties. whereby
States, and this State among others.had engaged to
deliver up individuals. The hoble Lord seemed
to him to have made out no case to justify, the mu-
lion ; he should therefore give it his negative.
The karl of CAllNinton couceived that the rea-
sons presented by the Dloble Earl opposite Liver.
pool) did not
_justify the proposed, measure of the
Alien Bill. If his argutitents, founded on a uer.
ceasity arising from the policy of other countries,
bid any force, it should have the effect of coufidiog
to Moisten, not I teinporary power, but of arming
them with a poen' and perpetual authoritY.—
(Hears hat.)
Lord Hou.ain briefly replied, observing that.
when the Alien Bill came before their Lordships, he
should, he trusted, be' enabled to shew that the
tomer, was extremely inhospitable, and inconsistent
with the character of the country. The Noble Lord
had seemed to think that he had iepresented the
people of Holland as discontented with their Go-
iernment. The fact, lie was convinced; was emu-
tinily the 'Contrary; and he believed that no people
had a better right to be contented With their Cots-
't Hear.)
The motion was put and negatived withbut a
The Houk then adjourned.
MOUSE OF COMMONS, Tunnel?, MAe 14.
WATER COMPANIES.
Sir lltrtts Osumi presented a Petition from certaie
Inhabitaate of Ike Parish of St. Mary-labour, against the
Bill new prfilias for supplying the tigrish with water by •
parochial arriugemest. lie thuright the plea proposed was
one of the, gilded width ever mitered tutu the brad of rusea,
and he bad in. his mideavoisred to make tae parishioners
tbi.k so: for from what be had sees of the priseipais of the
Water Companies; he was persuaded they were °ow ready to
afford water at a very them!) rah, at indeed a pewit of 41.
per test. This he thought fair aad reasonable, and that
the plan of the pariah to interfere with it was most injadi-
eine s
Mr. Portia* said, he had reason to believe the Bill pro-
potted by the parishioners would be withdrawn in the coarse
of the Senior,.
Mr. Pend Wane ahjected to the Bill on principle, and
ha he amid not tolerate this Saone of parochial jabbing, uk
soy arrauneweent of this hied in • ptivale vestry, to tax the
whole parish.
General Tioilotros said the town was at the mercy albs
Water Composite for the supply of water; they now re.
quired IL per real. more ha the shape of profit than on
former occasions,
Mr. HARVILT tbosght the rivalry of the Water Compromise
led to a variety of seeful improvements is the mode of sup-
plying water.
The Petitios was laid en the tables
Sir Jamas (Allan presented Petitions (rota the Proprie-
tors of the Chelsea anti West Nidollosex Water Works,
Against the same Bill. The worthy Baronet said the pro-
pel. tors premed actuated by i proper seem of duty. and so
lotte es be found thew so be was &serve to as/ ones-km.6e
1.. their trade.

These Petitions ,vere laid ow the table.
51r. UUNDAT pralealed a Pelliioll rival tilt COIIO.I-010.
werA of Derby, against any additional duty ou tbvir trade,—
Laid on the Unite.
Mr. et.acantiitie prevented a Petition finose the Mann-
facturers sit Woulleila, in Poiellitali, la Lnacaslslre, in favour
of a repeal of the Wool Howe
He oleo preseosed • Petition from the Dyers in the same
plAre. 114larl lbe duty on Rape Oil.
%The Petitions were laid on the table.
Mt. Peel. presented Ateennta of the Expenses of building
Glib.. Hotta.' iii Ireland.—Laid on the bible.
Sir 11. PAILMItt.t. brought In the Hol)head Road Bill,
whirli was read a first time, and ordered for • second reading
hu Monday.
Mr. 11'. Dunn*, presented a Petitiou from the Royal Col-
lege of Surgrostas ui Mduihurkh, ou the subj. ct of a Bull Oita
lo fore tie Fiuilie fur the regulation of their Profession.—
Ordeital to lie on She table.
COPYRIGHT.
Mr. MIL•t presented n Petition free the &roads ACII.

consequence of the flagrant mid _
those spies and informers who had excited so much
corismotion and niischief in several parts of the
eunistry.. Those two documents thtew a great light
'on the system of the spies alluded to, and they
were *veiled by affidavit before the Mayor of Phi.
ledelphin, and certified to the English Consul in
that city. One of the affidavits was by a person,
named Williams Stevens, and the other by Charles
Kendal; they both its a clear and perspicuous man.
ner pointed out the acts of spies, particularly of
Oliver, within their own immediate observation.—
The statements made by these persons were such as
he was convinced the House would feel the import-
ance and necessity of immediately referring to a
Committee for Inquiry. Mr. Cobbett's Petition
was the most respectful in its feria and terms which
he (Lord Cochrane) had ever had the honour of
preseutiag to the House.—(A laugh free the
Treetwry Beitches.j—The Petitioner moat earnestly
mud respectfully prayed, that the House would
take ions its most serious consideration the ac-
companying documents to which the Petitioner
alluded.
Ou the question that the Petition be brought up,
The Senses& said, that the appendix or
davits alluded to by the Noble Lord could not be
received by the House.—(Hear, hear.)—The Peti.
Lion certainly might be brought up in the usual
manner, but it was for the Noble Lord to consider,
whether any purpose would be answered by having
a Petition read. which referred to documents that
could not be received in the manner intended by
the Petitioner.—(lleer.)
. Lad COCHIRAMB replied, that he was not aware
be had said the papers were annexed to the Petition.
though they certainly accotnpattietl it. He thought
the Petition in itself contained matter fit to be sub-
pi hied to the House. He bhuuld, therefore, move,
that it be brought up.
The Petition was accordingly brought up, and
mod at the table. It set forth that the Petitioner,
William Cobbett, late of Botley. near Southamp-
tou. in England, and now of Long blend, near
New York. thought proper to state to that Ho-
nourable House a communication which he lately
had with two indirkduals who had left England
some time ago, and who knew the character and
machinations of the spy Oliver, and others of Isis
description. The Petitioner stated he felt it im-
possible to address the Heuer, but with respect
and veneration—(A lwmgh from Ms Treasury
Benches/—or to approach that far-famed sanctuary
of the law, and entreat it to listen to the annested
documents. without the utmost humility. The
Petitioner then reviewed the acts of Administration
for suspending the liberties of the subject. and
alluded iu indignant terms to the trials at Derby,
where ten lawyers were paid by the people to pro-
',cute the prisoners, and only two appointed to
manage their defence. To one of these (Mr. Cross),
the Petitterser applied some very pointed terms, for
his 'conduct in the defence—and after tracing the
distarbances of the country to the machinations of
hired spirit, and commenting very freely upon the
conduct of Colonel Fletcher, at Manclieste_!r. the
Petitioner concluded with praying that the House
would retrace its steps, and inquire into the origin
of the events which led Brandreth and his cum.
pasiioas to the block.
On the question that the Petition do lie on the
table.

Mr. BITHUBST rose, and said he apprehended it
was impossible to conceive that the House could
receire this informal Petition.—( Hear, hear.)—
So far as he could collect the object of the Peti-
tioner, it was not to call the attention of the House
to any specific grivance of his own, but to that of
other individuals. who might, if they pleased, sub.
Mit their complaints directly from themselves in
the usual way. --( Hear.)—lf they had any abuse
to cousplain of they could do it by a direct Peti-
tion, and not by documents annexed to that of an•
other. Now as to the time at which these indivi-
duals left the country, and the motive which led to
their exile, all that lie should say was this—that one
of them went away a considerable time before the
coercive Act. alluded to were introduced, and the
other some time after. But besides the informality in
the Petition, he had also another and a stronger
objection to its reception, namely, that it vista made
the vehicle of it libel on the judgment and talents
of Mr. Cross, who had assisted in conducting the
defence* at Derby, and also on a thobt worthy
Magistrate, Colonel Fletcher.—(/liar, hear.)—
Under such circumstances, he molly hoped the
Noble Lord would see the propriety ofwithdreiving
the Petition, without any further diiciisiiod upou
the subject. —( /fear.)

Lord COCIIIIANE said, that his motive in pre-
the Petition was to lay before the House the
very impatient matter which it contained and allud.
eel to. Ile particularly wished to have the docu.
meats accompanying the Petition read, as they re-
lated, iii ad extraordinary end explicit manner, to
the cuieduct of a spy of whom su much had been
said unit So little dune. As it appeared, however,
that the course lie proposed was informal, lee had
no objection to wiihdreitv the Petition, nut with any
view of immediately preeentiog another, hut for
the purpose of informing the individuals of the for.
mat Course. by distinct Petitithis' to which they
tneM treat to get al the mar the House.
Mr. Winn whetted to know whether. if the Pe-
tition were withdrawn after bricg read at the liable,
the Journals woitld contain any record of its con-
tents ? Th'e &atter being so objectionable, he
thought no recuht of it ilsould be suffered ou their
Jotirsidl•.

The SPEAREE laid, the fret of the PeCtion
being withdrawn most be untied nn their JOUrtlo4.
But he apprehended a t notice would be * suM.
Clew record that the Petttion *as withdrawn by
colorist Or the Huns...

Mr. Wynn said, that I►h Would most strongly
object to ,iich charger as the Pet►tion contained
egano.t should 1 r.icorrical on the Jour.
nal, of ti►t Hume, witheat the partite btiviog ei.het

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the power of defending themselves, or proving the
filsehood of the charge—(lkar.)
The Petition was then withdrawn.
• THE IBRITISIII MIY/WATNI. •.
Mr. DANSE' promoted a residua teem the Tina-
tees of the British Museum, suiting the inadequacy
of their funds for the support of the Establishment,
and praying for an odditional grant.
joord CASTIAILBAGIi, on the port of the Crown,
had no objection to the reception of the Petition.
The Position was laid on the table.
On the motion of Mr. BANKES, Accomits were
ordered of the Income and Expenditure of the Uii-
tish Museum during- the year 1817, awl ni.o of
the whew fur the year 1318—together with the
return of the number of visitors for each of the lest
seven years.
The How. Member stated, that the lest return
woold chew the vast increase of visitors during the
last year.

SCOTCR COMMISSARY COURTS.
Lord A. HAMILTON rose to make his promised
motion, for copies of the correspondence which
took place between the Home Department and the
Commissioners appointed to inquire into the Com-
missary Courts of Scotland, their fees, clerks sede-
r" Ser. His motion principally involved two
point.: one related to economy, which was here
neglected—and another, to the freedom of election
in the county of Lanark. The commission to
which lie chiefly alluded was that touched upon in
the third Report, and which related to the inferior
Commissary Courts, and their clerks. The House
would be surprised to learn that the Commissioners
were appointed four years ago ; had made four Re-
ports; ssid yet, strange as it would seem, not a
single step had been taken to give effect to their re-
commembitions, though at one time a Bill had
been actually prepared for that purpose. The third
Report contained a recommendation for the aholi-
tints of the Commissary Courts, and of the Com-
missary Clerks ; and yet, nothing was dune. In a
former Report, a " •Itir recommendation was
made, and left equally unnoticed. A representa-
tion was also disregarded of not filling up VISCiIIN
cies in these departments during the inquiry.
The preamble of that Bill set forth what was stated
in the Report, namely, " that the inferior Coin-
minor, Courts of Scotland should be abolished—
and that certain minimisation, should be made to
those who held offices therein—shut that such alte-
ration could not be row& but by the 'authority of
Parliament;" arid the Bill then went on to enact,
that " the said abolition should be effeeted."—
That measure had proceeded through the House of
Commons, but was lost in the Lords—and, from
that time, until the present commission was issued,
the subject had remained unnoticed. Pending the
proceedings of the existing commission, the si-
tuation of Clerk of the Commissary Court at
Dumfries, was granted for three years to a Gen-
tleman, as an iNterise appointment, by the Court of
Session ; but, when it was feared that the aboli-
tion of the office would be recommended, it was
suede an appointment for life, by Government.
Why was this done, if it were not for the
purpose of influencing parliamentary elections ?
He should call for papers intimately connected
with the subject--and he could conceive no reason
for withholding them, except that the busi-
ness was wok to bear the light. The system of
grantiug offices of almost every description was
made subservient to electioneering purposes in
Scotland. At Glasgow, the best mode of getting
a situation in the Excise, was to procure a petition,
signed by a number of electors, and addressed to
the Right Hon. Geutleman opposite (Mr. W.
Duudas), which was rarely found to fail in effect-
ing that object. The Noble Lord then animad-
verted, in strong terms, on the conduct of his Ma-
jesty's Government, in having made an appointment
for life to the situation of Commissary, a previous
interims appointment having been made by the
Court of Session. In consequence of that act,
compensation would now be called for, which. un-
der other circumstances, could not have been de-

inunded. If what he stated were incorrect, it
could easily be contradicted ; but he believed they
would not be able to remove the fact, that ten of
the Commissioners had stated to Viscount Sid-
mouth, that it was intended to abolish the Coo•
inissary Courts—end, consequently, that, when he
tilled up the office, he was not ignorant of the step
about to be taken. The Noble Lord concluded
by moving—

" That au hamble Address be presented is the Prince
Regent, praying that he will be graciously pleased to Aired
that there be laid before the House, a Copy of any Letter,
or the Substance of any Communication made by the Com-
missloisers appointed to iuquire into the duties and emu's
theists of the Principals and Clerks of the Courts of Justice
in Scollaud, or say use of them, relative to the ioexpediency
of ailing up Oakes in lbs Comnsissary Courts." .

Mr. BATHUIIST said. it appeared to him. than
nothing which the Noble Lord had stated, formed
• su4ciead ground foe producing the correspond=
once alluded to. for ergumentmake, that
▪ CorreopOodeciCe existed. Ti. Noble Lord; in
the Grit place, blamed his Majesty's Ministers foe
not having taken measures to carry into effect the
recommendations of the C•toatissiowers of Inquiry.
This could only he done by a legal enact►nent;
and any other individuals were as competent to
introduce ouch • measure as his Majesty's Mi-
nisters. The Noble Lord. through the whole of
his speech, thought proper to attack an i►►dividual
most unjustly, and he should not, on that point,
expatiate at all. The Noble Lord had stated
trhly, that a Gentleman had been appointed to a
situation which the Commissioners wished not to be
filled up—hut it was easy to eiplain the cireum•
stance. Those Commissary Courts, he understood,
were similar to our minor Ecclesiastical Courts.
—ln them inilividdals were obliged to look
fur probates of wills—and, as hr haul been in-
formed, the business of those Courts clth!, not
be carried on without • principal and his clerk.
The Courts Were. therrforei of great Importance
to Scotland—and the Court of Session; kwowiag

that the business could obi be carried on w►thnut
a clerk, lied appointed one. ad Interim, in a parti
cular im►trpce. The liersinia. however, who hail
made this appointment. were iibt those is whom the
patronage really exis►ed---and ©uetr►ment were
still rosaessed or time power to alter it. It was very
true that a Bill lied been introduced to abolish

these Course. But they were conasdered to he es-
aenti4lly necessary—and neither that, our a mra. '
lure subseiluently intruducedi wee mit:boned by

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the Legislature. Evidenlit, it woo that
those Court. sl Id exist until liartionient
iuytl-
toted some other tootle of transacting tlir 1)114.11w:4a
miw performed by them. How then stood the or-
Onsesit or the Noble Lord, that
.t he Court of
inoii had a right to algniiut to these offiee•, ad id.
ferias ? tits ad interim might be for ever—wive
Parliament might deem it necessary to pro.tile
any other means for the transaction of Ilse
nes.. The Noble Lord had made a charge of cur.
ruption against those who granted the appointment.
Rot why did he not found it on something to lie
discovered in the ,returns. iit
mere suiertion,? Ile could assum the Nuhle Lord
that the communications of the Cuiuinistionera dealt
in generalities, and did not bear out the insinuations
which lie had thrown out. Nu statement had been
made that the persoo now aging the situation was
unlit for it, which he conceived to he a material
point. The Noble Lord's argument went to this,
that it was improper in Government to make the
appointment in question, because, if the Com-
missary Courts were abolished, it would he neces-
sary to purchase the right of the individual iii
office. But answer to that, lie tirg4eit to.
observe, that the appointment could nut legally
be made in any other way—iiiiit that it was
necessary to the domestic police of Scotland,
was most. evident, when tlwy considered the prin-
ciples on which the Commissary Courts proceeded.
In conclusion, he begged leave to mote, that there
was no such paper as the Noble Lord moved for—
That was a sufficient answer to the motion—bolt
lie wished chiefly to rest Lie opposition tin principle.
Sir J. Ngwroax said, that since the Commission
was formed, contrary to the will of !Ministers. the
public did not. appear to him to !Live been bully
dealt with. They hail it right to complain Ii 4t the
suggestions of the Cointuissioners had not beau
carried into effect, He believed that those Gen-
tlemen had performed their duty most conscien-
tiously--and, from the high respectability of their
character. the greateit attention ought to be paid to
every reeontruenclition coming from them. The
Right Hon. Gentleman bad stated, that his Majes-
ty's Ministers had no more right, than ally other
individuals in that House, to carry the. suggestions
of the Commissioners into of it was a mat-
ter that might be taken up by any person. But,
on a former occasion, when an attempt was made
by persons not in administration, to render effective
certain recommendations of the CommiOoners, they
were told that it ought to be left to Ministers alone
to carry them into execution. _ If this were the

manner in which suggeatious of reform were to be
met, Commissions of Inquiry might he considered
as wholly useless. With respect to the appoint-
ment in question, he conceived it exceedingly wrong,
pendiag a Parliamentary inquiry, to fill up an
office, permanently, the abolition of which was con.
templated.
Mr. W. DUNDAS said, the Report alluded to
had been printed only in February last, and, there-
fore, Government could not he blamed for nut hay-
ing acted on it. With respect to the office, it was
most properly filled up. The reason was obvious.
Ten years ago, a Bill was introduced for the aboli-
tion of those Courts, which was lost. He would
asks then, had Government acted unjustly, in ap-
pointing to the office, that Bill being thrown out
by the Legislature- and when it was quite.inicer-
Min at what time any Act would be passed ou the
subject I The Report, it should be observed, did
not relate only to the removing of these offices—it
embraced a great variety of intricate subjects, which
were all to be considered. A. to the observations
which the Noble Lord. had mode on the appoint-
ments in Scotland being,. rendered subservient to
electioneering purposes, they were wholly ground.'
less.
Mr. J. P. GRANT was of opinion that Milliliters
ought' not to have iniirtfiitp appointment to this
office, while a Board' a Commissioners were en-
gaged in inquiry. • • They should have waited till
Parliament hod conic so a decision ou the subject
--and it was quite clear to him that a person hail
been appointed to the situation, for the purpose of
entitling him to compensation at the end of u
twelvemonth (when probably those i.ffiees would he
abolished), to which, Wilk!' other •circuinstatices,
her-wad Lira 11•44449 claim whatever.
Mr. IL Cr.sve was rk ci/Anion that the appoint-
mem was perfectly just. The Report was made oat.
the ort7th ofJutie --and theihdivid wit was appointed'
by Lord Sidmonth in the mouth of March pre-
eeding..—R9 that hia Lord.huip must have been igtio-
rant of the intesitiens of the Commissioners with
respect to those offices.
Lord A, fltaittioe, in reply, Observed, that
his arguments applied, not to nee wirsfe. but its
The Report recommended the abolition of ti
Commissaries and 513, Clerkis...whons fioter 1111 l eon,
acting on the principle they lied adopted in this
instance, would have the power of continuing.
The motion was then negatived without a di-
vision.

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from the kingdom, and that in no case had any re. deloteus of the College of Altera',
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ferenee been made to the desire of say foreign Go- trr.:lll" be made is she CePPIIII
"transept. There therefore existed no ground fur i Pn ' PETITION' Fgoll MI
stating that the renewal of the measure wee de. i 1.,„,d cocusAwit rase to p
Mantled for much reasons. The present wail not the ! which he' oat eeriest iy "Ilk
proper period for discussing the grounds on which ! e1au„,,.., ea „„ja *Ow a met
Parliament, two years ago, had been induced to I who some tithe ego *kilt to An
sanction the measure. The right of excluding, it I of thrixercimArt, th,„ ea,
should be understood, belnnged to the Crown by '.
vernmeut ; unit in this Petal,
common law ; the Alien Act• merely love a more I documents from individuals in
imports!), way of carrying that right into torren-
t: i cunsiequence or the flagrant •
R tisti; But it was impassible I. deny, that iii the I those spite and informers who
i prevent stilt, of Europe touch regard
~psust. be comaiketio, and nii„hirr i„
1 boa in the policy of one State tewellis what was eunotry.. Thee* two &armee
doing iii another'; and if there exiiterriiilaliother
. 'On the system of the spies m
Government a right of excludingcertru den- were tailed by affidavit befo
. .
gerous characters, who were thereby. face etito i lagelphia; and ceitified to ti
the surrounding States, would it he oloe to t that city. One of the ailidevi
let this country It• main gingerotecle4 by
.it coon- ~,,,,,,ed ‘villiaes Stevens, and
tervailing measure ? The Noble Earl denied that Kendal; they both its a clear a
this country had ever interfered iu the intermi), aff.liet ner pointed out the acts of
'of knottier State, so ris in bey dinnpr'to effect ite Oliver, within their own imam
elignity or compeotnise its indekorl_encr. The The statements made by these
• Noble Lord, he obterNred, hattepoltee but justly or he was convinced the House w
the character of the present Xing of the, Nether- ante and utensil of iumed
„ . 'lends, bat he would add, that it was the voice of Committee for Inquiry. Mt
i his people had called him boa, aid had invested was the stoat respectful in its I
him with the title he enjoyed. The union of he (Lord Cochrane) had gal
naniall end the Netherlands was not a 'question prearutiug to the House.—
.1 . theta fur discusiion, but should it ever come before regular, BeNehee.)—The Pet
,its 'their 'Lordships, he treated, without cootroverting and respectfully prayed, the
the highs authorities prodoced by the Noble Lord, take Tutu its most serious c
whine opinions ire*, uo dobbt, all very, correct in componying documents to a
reference to the tithes in which the/ :mere uttered. alluded.
1.. be ',hada be enabled to shew tact the interests butts I Ou the questiou that the Pe
of flatland and I'd tho Netherlands reodared such I 'Fbe spiAliEs said, that ti
is neemetre neeeesary. 'lf, hoirevei, the Noble Lord davits alluded to by the Nob
: fancied that the drapositien or loyalty of the people received by the House.—(Hen
had been in the slightest degree affected by the tie.' certainly might be brow
union. he was very mach mistakesi, for there was rummer, but it was for the No
trot a country in Europe itiare the people were whether any purpose would bi
! .1 ensure attached to their sovereign then iu the Nether- . a Petition read. which refers
labile. After the removal of the iron yoke which could not be received in the
kbits' weighed down Europe. the people of that the Prtitioner.—( neer.)
ientitry had now the eu)oyment of an excellent . Lad COCURAIIII replied, t
Constitution, materially unproved by acts which : he had said the papers were am
could not have been the result of any foreign in• though they certainly accompt
I.
%twice. The Noble Lord hid spoken of the former .
,witted
Petition in itself contained
policy of this country and of Reflood, in reipectls pitted to the House. He shu
! the admission Of strangers': but he (Lordaverphol) that it be brought up.
1 would 'say it for 'Great Britsio and fir lead, a • the Petition was accami„
criantry to which, next tri his own. he wes_ frd • .7' read at the table. It set fnrtl
tached of any in Europe, that their policy hid itt op
'to„,
cahhau, late of But
. respect altered ; they each still held their, deers . in Esigiand, and now a
been to the foreigner who came in then °mutes of New York. thought proper i
,
. rriendship, or who sought for shelter from state or namable House • camomile
religious persecatiou. But in offering liftst4falify, ' had with two itsdivkduals eh
. . teu there no difference to be held between the use- some time ago, and who km
titorious or the evil-disposed ?--Or could it be sone . machinations of the spy Olive
(unused that the State, like itidividwilles had tat description. The Petitioner
power of shutting its doorsigakial the incendiary possible to address the Houi
.• cud the robber ? The Priucipleor retnOving fereign- and 'attrition— lif lumg4
.
, • ere by the sole power of the Criiiiii hid beat already Beaches)—or to approach that
7 I frequently recognised by solemn treaties. whereby of the law, and entreat it to
States. and this State among others. bad engaged to
deliver up individuals. The hoble Lord seemed documents. without the alit
Petitioner theu reviewed the as
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to him to have made out no case to Jitstily, the mu. , far suspending the liberties
tie', ; he should therefore give it his negative. alluded iu indignant terms to
The Earl of CAZWiItVOIII couceived that the ref- where ten lawyers were paid Ii
it
sons presented by the Dloble Earl opposite (Livers ',cute the prisoners, and on
P pool) did not justify the proposed measure of the mange their defame. To one
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Alien Bill. f his argutitents, foituded or! a eta. the Prediseer applied some ye
ii cessity arising from the policy of other countries, his conduct in the defence—s
t',. had any force, it should have the effect of coufidiall disterbances of the country tr
to Ministers, not A teinporary power, but of arming hired spies, and commenting
them with a general and perpetual authority.--. amshict of Colonel Fletcher,
(Hear. bar.) , Petitioner concluded with pet
Lord ROLLAND briefly replied, awning that, would retrace its steps, and in
when the Alien Bill come before their LordshiPts, he of this events which led Bras
should, he trusted, be. enabled to chew that the postioos to the block.
measure was ettremely inhospitabk, and inconsistent Oti the question that the I
i
with the character of the country. The Noble Lord table.
had seemed ten think that he had to d the
Mr. BITNURST roar. and is
• people of' Holland as discontented with their Go- was impossible to conceive thi
CertiMent. The fact, lie was convinced; was eseeu- receiie this informal Petitirs
tally the bilitr.uy; and he believed that ito people 90 far as he could
t collect
th th
hail a better right to be contented with their Cott- li
stitistsom—'t Hear.) mier, it was ooho call the a
to any specific grivance or his
The motion was put and negatived withbut a other individuals, who might,
diiirinn. niit their complaints directly
The Houk then adjourned.
the atm' way.—(Hear.)-1I
MOUSE OF COMMONS, Toottaolt, MAT 14. to complain of they could do
—.:. tion and not by documents au
WATER COMPANIES. other. Now as to the time 1
Kr iluai Ilammite mauled a Petitioe from eertaie duals left the country, awl the
.11 ' Inhabinnits of the Parish uf St. Idery.le-boor, spina thy
Bill atm math* foe aupplyire the tigrish with wore by • their exile, all that lie should a
parochial emernotett. me dewed the plea proposed wee of them went away a conside
, •
• . one of she Wildest which ever warred %to the head of wean, coercive Acts alluded to were
. and he be.' in. rant esdesvoisred to make ills parishioners
other some time after. But be.]
.
i thiuk so: for from what be bad area of tba priseipais of the the petition. he had also ass
. tomer Companies, he was persuaded they were no* ready ho
_, . .
)1 .. P * afford water at a very !heap rah, at indeed i pewit of 41. ash to its rece tion "111
per teat. This he thought fair sad reasonable, and that the vehicle of it libel on the
h . , the plasm of the parish to interfere with it was Most iejedi- of Mr. Cross, who had assiat,
elms. defence* at Derby, and ale
•
Mr. Portia* said, he had reason to believe the Bill pro-
-- Magistrate, Colonel Fletche
posed by the parlidliusers would be withdrawn its the coarse
of the Seaton. Under such circumstance's,
Mr. Faint Woos objected to the Bill out principle, and Noble Lord would see the pro
I its he could not tolerate this worse of parochial jobbing, of the Petition, without any fun
ally aernageoseat of this tied is a titivate woory, to lax the the subject. —t ifear.)
. t whole palish.
General Tioikorox said she town wan at the mercy of the Lord Cocrlaslig said. the
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' f Water Composies kw the supply of water; they *ow re. sifittiil the Petition was to lay
quired IL per twat. more hi the shape of profit than on very iiirpottatit matter which ii
I farmer oressieuts. eil to. Ile porticularly %isle
Mr. HAILVICT thought the rivalry of the Water Conspeeist
led to a variety el useful Onproveourat• is the mods of sup. meats accompanying the Petit
',tying water. bites', in ad extraordinary awl
' The Petitios was laid ee the table,
Sir JamEs (Alla. posiewed Petition. (Jai the Proprie. the cinisluci of a spy of who
$
said mid lo little dune. As 1
tors of the Chelsea and West Middlesex Water Works, that the course lie proposed 1
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. Against the same Bill. The worthy Baronet said the
Pro. no ohjectinn to withdrew the I
• ti i
rorti:ahn. roil 1171notte*sitlactliVacjill tramaPvfer lewee
to sa47 duty, and
toe view of WomedieftlY Pveemti
in their trade. the purpose of informing the i
4 These P..tilinns were laid ow the table. mid Course, by distinct Peti
:
• 31r. %SUNDAY laaaealed a Pellikal Gla a tile CottoriAsPlo.
her:. of Derby. s'sinst any additional duty on tbar trade.-- miM telort to get ut the ear of
1 1/4
Mr. %Vette wlaherl to km
Lim on the 14. ire.
I I '‘. taiga were withdrawn after be
Mr. asscitaultire prisentAd a Petition Rote the Mane-
, tirturem sir woolen, in coicilitati ,in Laileashlre, in favour the Journals wniild tositaiin a
eit' A repeal of the Wool Millen tents ? Thb dialler being t
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He also preseosed a Pension from the Dyers its the same
pure, 'via.. the duty on Reps Oil.
J
II The Petitions were laid on the table. thournal...
ought no recutd of it Should
),..
I 11.. Peer presrultal Atceonts of the Expenses of building The Sikalt En iaitl, the
Glib.. Mows
in lrelmsd.—Lail on the Ishie.
Fir 11. PIL AMltt.t. brought in the Holyhead Road sal, bonne; withdrawn
iiiiihrill,trZliewsisirillesduaal ,lier.tittli stiv
Ic
wtoeh was read a first time, and ordered for a second reading Clew record that the Pttttio
6u 'Monday.
i• Mr, iv. Deans, presentee a Petilirtu from the Royal Col. cuti.ent Of the House.
II ! lege of surgeons so Ethohorkh, oil the subj. ft ors Bill 11011/ Mr. WYNN cod, Hitt 1i!...
rt hi Awe tee Hogue for the regulation uf their Profession.— object to such charges as 111,
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' Ordciiil to lie sin She table. againit individuals should lie i
COPYRIGHT.
1 Mr. MlLgt presented i Petitiim Noe the Senates ACa• gals of die Horse, withent lilt
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deadeye of the CoUrge of Aberdare, preying that so el.
knows be made is the Copyright AM.—Ordered m be
pieta.
PETITION Fgoll lOC COBIIITT.
Lord C•cosaw's raw to present a Fluids, RI
which he *soot eseirsily epllettdattet4Cl of
Usibe
was fensa celt erriNs
who 'wine tithe ago *kid to America in consequence
of Dig cdercivi_Arts then passing by his own Go-
vernment ; and to this Petition was riiiiesernoso
documents from individuals in exile in Ainericnain
consequence of the flagrant end notorious acts of