The National Register.
London, England, 1820-09-10 00:00:00

FLIGHT OF PART OF THE WITNESSES.

After a long pause, the ATTORNEY GENERAL
now rose, and said that lie had an important applica-
tion to make to their Lordships. There wet e cu taiu
parties, who were to have been produced as witnesses in
support of the Bill, who resided at Lugano and its
neighbourhood. Three of them had set out for this coun-
try, while others were on the point of setting otit. These
three persons having advanced as far as Beauvais, two
stages on this side of l'aris, a rumour reached them that
several persons who had preceded them, to he witnesses
against the Queen, had been extremely ill-treated at
Dover. The consequence was, that they went before the
Magistrates at Beauvais, and made depositions, that, be-
ing appreliensise of their personal safety, they thought it
not prudent to come to England. These depositions were
forwarded to this country, and the parties themselves
actually returned to Lugano Om Monday last, however,
letters had been received from, Lausanne, which is in
the neighbourhood of Lugano; from which there was
reason to entertain a confident expectation that the wit-
nesses had changed their determination, and that they
would in fact set out fur England the day after the titli of
August. Under these circumstances, the LearnetlConnsel
thought that he was not asking too much of their Lord-
ships, in applying for such a delay as, in their Lordships'
judgment, would afford these witnesses an opportunity
of appearing before their Lordships' bar.
Mr. BROUGHAM pretested strongly against any de.
lay. The application was wholly unjustified by any ana-
logy to the practice of the Courts below. The applica.
Bolt was the more objectionable that the prosecutors in
this case had had their own choice as to the time of pro
ceediug with their case ; they had been men ths and years
preparing it; and even after the Queen had, by message
to the House, demanded to proceed instantly, they had
taken three weeks more to complete their preparations
before they would proceed. Was it, after all this, to be
tolerated, that when the Attorney Genet al had gone
through all the evidence he had at hand, and found,
doubtless, that it had failed to establish the ea,e lie set
out with the promise of proving, he should now a• 1
their Lordships to stop till he could patch tip his case
these Logaiturter., said to he, and wily liellevyd to be on
doer road touter! The lionise mast pout:veil nth a
view to pi eeedwits alit eon.) 'welters, and they moist lie
cautious least, in Slanting the delay soicited in the pre. I
sent case, it might not he a plum:dent Mr future
applieations, made with no whet* v;,:o• that' fur the pur-
pose of abusing it, and olefeatiolg the coils of jirdoce.
Aft. DEN NUN before proceeitioa4 too suppoi i los Learned
Friend, herged to ask the Altortie-'.O..ierol at what time
the a ilite,ses look their flight fro o Beauvais?
The AT lORN L Y-ItEN ERA E. - the 2711 i sif July.
Mr. DENMAN proceeded, it Ill) eat ability snot elo-
quenCe, to C..lllelld against the applicatio'. Wind, said the
Learned WlAltd Inc CIV :oath au apolieatioin
tide on the part of lieu .`olofj. Combo.' after ote.y !!fid
entered upon' hcrdefemme, ao more chosen :11111 hied upon
by thellistiv es for todance, w 'told be said, were
they to come hefare your loord,lop's, and say that mine wit •
Lesses were oil their wily to this country to lie ev:ienee for
lite Queen, but hearin; that au Alien Bill had pessed they
had felt afraid of its poner, auil would not tou,t no the dis•
cretiv.it at those tioseted with its cur olio:, ? Would thi,
tit admitted, us a pr.-1.-ift for out thy ow the defiaice Are
We to rtmaio r hour to honor, anti from day to day,
Without kiloosiiA how the case stands, or ward facts

:111. sOil;, ht 10 Ile pliiVe.d ?-11, h. at 10) 1. Ift.,tti, E. c IVe to he
,eiii•vcil float tlo! peltiag of diltititr, or how arc we to
mar vim them?—Calm ore t uotigla has already hero abed
:14111110 U, We ICI% e (I'lll'l4llRO., 'lough already to complain
or, a Masi this adildioual act of insiugice. shall the wit:.
tritaa at ciaed gill impala the victim of colutuo, nail leao•

it uncontradicied fur a single day.—The Learned Counsel
concluded with intreating their 4..ordships not to grant the
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, their Lordships could
not grant the application on any assumed facts; they must
have the evidence before them. If Mr. Brougham could say
that he was ready for his defence, the Solicitor General
might be called on to sum up his case. and if the witnesses
arrived during his summing on, they might be esamined.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL agreed with his Lordship, that
it would be well to know from the Counsel for the Queen
whether they were prepared n WI the defence. or could in
this stage of the business accept the delay which it was agreed
should be allowed to them. If her Majesty's Counsel were
prepared for that defence, the Solicitor-General must suns
up and close the ease fur the prosecution.
Lord E.R.' kINE denied that any circumstances, or any
proofs t h,.t could be adduced, could justify t heir Lordshins
in granting the delay that was sought for. The Counsel for
the prosecution ought not to be allowed to make a new NW..
or to add slew witnesses to the ot iizinal case. They could
only c all witnesses to rebut facts which ini;lt* arise in the
cfoss-ex anination. When the Attar:my-General opened
his case, lie should have been prepared with evidence in sup-
port of that case. His Lordship concluded with entreating
to •ir Lord:a ips not to depart from those rules by which jos.
tJ e had been so long administered in this country. Ile had
elline here, tertWithstanding his advanced age, iu the hope
that he might be of some service ; " hut of w hat use aims L"
continued his Lordship, with great animation, " if it is only
to witness the violation of Rights the most established, and
Pi Mc titles the most sacred." If the application Wit ruffled,
it would he the most fatal day that England ever saw.
Lord 1.1 V ERPOOL then moved, that it now being past
five tido( k, the Hoag. do adjourn.
The Milt 0 Cli ANC ELLOR wished to ask the Attorney-
General if he was ready with proof of the facts which he had
alleged as the grounds of Its application,
The A TTORNLy GEN ERA L said, t hatihe had the pro-
m, verbal dra tan up at Beauvais, awl attested by the au-
thorities there, that the witnesses were prevented from
coining, on hearing of the outrages that had been committed
on those who hail arrived at Dover.

Some conversation ensued, and it was at last agreed, that
the Counsel for the Queen should be asked if he was pre-
pared to renew his eross-examination
Mr. BROUGtiI A M said," If the Attorney-General will
declare to their LordAtips that his case is closed, 1 will only
call back one witnems, and after asking him three or filar
illicit ions, immediately enter on the defence of her Nlniests."
The House then adjourned at twenty minutes past five
o'clock.

THURSDAY. SFPTEMBER 7.
At ten o'clock prayers were read, and the roll having been
called over, Counsel were called in.
WiTtinnawisiu OF TISF. APPLICATION FOR DELAY.
The Arfoll N EY-GEN E Al. rose and said, that bethought
it right and proper to state to their Lordships that, within the
last half-hour he had receives! despatches trom Nlilan; from
which it appeared that a much longer time than he anticipated
yesterday must necessarily elapse before the witnesses he then
alluded to could be brought over. He felt it incumbent upon
him to state this fact to their Lordships': and, under these
circumstances to withdraw the application which lie had mrde ter
delay.
Mr. BROUGHAM presumed lie might now understand that
the Attorney-General had closed his case. Assuming this to be
the state of the case, he would now call back Theodore Majocci,
and ask him one or two questions.
Majocci was sent for, and soon made his re-appearance at the
bar, and was cross-examined by Mr. Brougham.
Do you know one Julius Omar Gavaszi ?—1 never heard this
Julius Caesar Gavazzi.

Ho you knuw a person of the name of Gavaxai?—l have heard
this name of Gavazzi ; there is one of that name, a jeweller, at
Milan. I never was in his shop, but I have seen him, and he is
a fat man. _ _ _ . . .

Mr. Brougham—The Gavazzi I speak of is a Gavazzi who
lived in Greville-street, Hatton Garden, last February. Do you
know any such person?—•• 44 Questo Rhwrdo." This
Gavazzi told me he was a relation of the Gavaszi at Milan.
It is this Gavazzi, Sir, that I was asking you about, and not
the Gavarti of Milan, who you just told us was the only one you
ever knew of ?—I only knew this young man the few days I was
in London. . . .

Did not, Sir, you and this Gavazzi dine together, during last
winter, tbr eight or ten days together ?—Not for eight or tea days
days. 1 was not here ten days.
But did not you once or twice, or oftener, dine with him ?
What I remember is, that I dined twice with him, and we had
some rice.
Was not this a short time before the death of his late Majesty ?
—lle was already dead.
Vas it not about that time ?—lt was after the death of the
King.
Immediately after ?-1 think, as fat as I can recollect, that I
arrived here on the day that they told toe the King was already
buried,
Did you shew Gavazzi a letter which you told him you had
received from sonic person here !—I shovel him a letter which
came titan my wife.
lam not speaking, Sir, about that letter at all. lam asking
you as to another letter which you told Gavazzi you had re-
ceived trout somebody here to carry abroad?-1 remember sliew-
ing him a despatch I had received to carry from England abroad.
Was it not a despatch you were to carry to Lord Stewitot ?
It was.
Did you not also shew Gavazzi a number of Napoleons, which
you had received at the time you got the letter ?—Yes, Napoleon',
which I had received nit my journey. I counted them user
to him.
Now, how many Napoleons did you count?—l believe there
were no.
Win you swear there were not 150 ?—(After some hesitation)
—I con. tot swear the number I received ; but I received aO,l can
swear I received no Napoleons in gold.
Did you nut tell Gavazzi that whoever gave you this, gave you
more than you asked to pay your expencei ?—t did nut say so ;
beeastse I had only told G.tvazzi I had got money to make my
ourney.
Bat will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that you 1414
more money than you asked fur ?—I cannot swear, for 1 asked
lase than the cxpeuces of hay journey and voyage ; and lie
can't say so.
1'b:•11 will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that what-
ever you asked for they gave you more than that ?—But I cannot
swear to have asked for wore, nor can he swear that I asked for
more; and as I swore to this before, I cannot swear a hundred
times over and over. (A length)
Will you not swear that you said to Gavazzi that you got more
than you asked ?-1 never said so.
Do you know one Joseph Visette ?—I do not know the name
of Fische.
Do you know one of the name of Vista:, ?—I do not recollect.
I mean a person who lives near Liquorpond S,. ?--That
:•tat may say, tier I can't rentembet that I came here in a sack,
and I went away i‘t a trunk ; :LA 1 do not know the English
language, and I cannot renieinber.
on must recollect Visette litforc I have done with you.—Do
you renieutbct an Italian man who dined in the same plat, where

you and Carlini dined ?—There were many Italians who came
and dined and ate rice.
Did you know the Indian who met you there and accompanied
you frequently up anti down London, to shew you the way and
explain things to you %—That's true, because he served me as a
gole.
Do you recollect going with Lim, the day or the day after the
late King's funeral toot; place, to the west end of the town?—
Where to.
To the west end of the town A—lle carried me about, and
brought me here and there, and said ibis place was this, and the
place was that; but 1 do not know whether this place was this,
and that lilac,: eeT.s that, and hew can I reincmher
Did you not go somewhere with him, II care not whem, either
on the day of the funeral, or the day after Lave been
with hint at several places on tia; day the people went to see the
King.
A Peer immediately cried out, that the witness had not said
that the people were going to see the King's funeral.
Mr. BROUGHAM begged that such interruptions would not
be made while he was eim toyed in the erooss-examination of a
witness. Otte of the Judges Lad, he said, made objecumt with
a loud voice to his question. It was impa.sible for him to pursue
the course of cross-examination he commenced with, it' such
intemptions were persisted in.
Lord EXMOUTII rose, with great warmth, and moved that
Counsel shuttle! withdraw.
Lord EXMO writ said, that the Queen's Attorney. General
had looked at hint at the time he complained of bc:ng interrupted.
Ile had to assure their Lord,hips that he was not the Noble Lord
who had made the objection. At tl.e same time he mast declare,
taut he did not think it decent in a Conned at that Bar to stare
Noble :.onis in the Lace, and insimmte titet they had done what
they had not done. Ile (Lord Exmootb) was not there, upon
his honour and his oath, to be lectwed by any Counsel whatever.
(hear, hear I)
Counsel were then called in, and continued the cross-exami-
nation.
Now did you go with that young man to any particular place"
...I remember to have called in some stroet oil some gentleman
don't know, to carry a letter. His servant told me he was not
at home; for he was gone to sec the burial of the King.
Was that a large hoaw ?—1 do not know whether it was large
or sma" ; I went to the euur, and wits answered that he was not
at home, and I went away.
Did you, on any of these occasions. when accompanied by your
wc, gu 71to any house where there was a aohiier
s'ationad at the door ?-..-Tlatt was on the Brat day of my arrival
in England, what I WI:ILI:Pi sonic letters, and I was told it was
the house a the li dug.
Did you go more than once to this house ?—Yes, I went
backwards and fot vat 6.
.1)0 you teenetehet going several times?-4 do.
Did you go into the honse and Ivave your I,,pwi
place at the dour?—The fins( time, 1 le It Lilo at the dom..
Do you mean to say at the other time; the laleai4 tic
place went in with you?—Whether he cane in or not, I
do not know. I left him at the dour, and told him to stay
there. _ _ .

On one of thtse °et-lE4°ns did von come out of that
house with a gentleman whom yon had found there,
Yes, 1 did.
Who was that gentleman?—What I remember, lie was
Mr. I'utstll.

Did yon make a promise to Mr. Powell to go to his
chambers at six o'clock that evroiug 2-1 ttiA.
l):41 you not go according to'.your appointment ?—I ditlr
I understood you to ray you tyrot several times to Iha:
large house with your huptais de p;urt7—Y
Do you renteotl•er one of these occasions taking a
Mote from Mr. Possell's to* that -.home
Was not this peat home Cultton House do not
know. I was told that it was the house of the King.

Hatt you ever any conversation with Mr. Pow Cli about
your expences, in the pi ennce of your !aquas de place?
...—orritr, son mi ricordo.
1)1.1 yon ever see this letter before 1-- [Here Mr.
Brio:glom showed the witness a letter.]—l do not know;
I never knew how to read or w rite.
Do you know a person of the name of Long?--I am
not acquainted with any 81801 Willie.
After your first examination in this House, have you
ever seen Mr. Powell, or his clerk I—Yes.
Have you F.:en them frequently I—Yes, I have seen hint,
Mr. Powell; sometimes he comes to the place where we
are.
Mr. Brougham here WI-minced a person of the name
of Joseph Janus Long, and the witness was asked if he
knew hint?-1 le answered that lie
The Lord ethinei llor said, it ;kir. Long was to he a
witness, it would be improper that he should remain in
the 1-I,lise. _ . .

Titr. Long left the House immediately.
Did you not June Mr:Lone to write to Mrs. Blackwell
to the feilowine tifeet ?-1 tolii him to write hi my mune.
Did you nut tell him to eatite to tile following eti.eet:--
" 1 halve safely lit :+c:tied your kiter to )tans mother, and
lie 414/14 quite we;:, and tit siied Io 1!lf 41111.1-11.11.1411 In
you
kindly r-1 sai.l, i have let the letter wills your brother's
wife , because I slid 1141 sec 11.111.
11111 you not desire dtr. 1...i:a to add, " I hove got a
situation, and tun auhig to vietwa es, that I had get
a
Did you not desire him to give your Limd regai il to
MrS• Non, e boat you called your
broth.. r ? eh-Art r.
Dad YI.II 11,41 cud 1:11:11:IS'S son your brother as a
mark 111• liit'llllAlill less I did.
Di.] you riot ett.ire :Ver. Long to say further in this
11'1114—' Ater l le It you all, I timid not eat, ror drink,
tor oh eh so Coil loess you v.il?—(.inch tau:thing, iu
iiajtie•;..olld).—Yes, 1 fit:All tel 111711 to say, as
is
1,1•:.. that • Ito we were together, 1 could not eat, nor
41410 S.• ...).
:Yale you eel rin Paris in 1918 or ISIS?-1 never was
In P• 1 is at —('llse witness gave his 141144414 1)1.16/40 the
soldi'44:aff VIII 11111 111 1111114
Lir. 1•1.#1:1.1114.111 bald, lie Lad no more questions to ask
the adios",
hy the Attorney General.
You have been osier.' re VPCIII:44 101110 1,4E1 110140114
Nhieh
you !seethed Lame going to tr ictriu; on wheat occasion
Wirt II tl.:.t C 1,11 %%Tut to Vielic a Asa eiiiirier.
Ytot 1.1 01 4141•1•41 whe,i.C4 roll It f.. 1. a 1111“. 140111 Dlr.
Powell to a g s .41 14,4,,, %%fiat put' i;sie did 34.11 take
that u,,te ?--/Vt far as 1 tau ieculltia, it was tu 01,14111 a
passi•ort.
DJ you recollect into what port of the litatue you went
I went first to the mit et .tour then throlgli the court,
let-n suunittrd a few steps, then icing the bail, %lieu it
enact raurt, 111111 1 g;iVe him Ilse note.
Huai lung Mel you stay on that oceasioii?—About halt
hour.
lid you en any n here else for your peeispoi ?--Yes, to
Au:Alton Mitir.ter.
Mt you get the pi.e4eit t When 1 41.4. Vrl• toy
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Who ‘lid you see at the great house on that occasion ?
I saw a fuutu.au, and the German who talked to We
herr.

You have said that you were at that home at other
times. iflio did you see it these have seen a
awl rather a liand3uale watt, %%Ito talked neither
Freue ow Pit!jam

I-tow malty ti:tie, al:of:1411er, to the best of your know-
letl.4e, yott call at that house %—I renictuuer calling
tlarce

Examined by their Lordships.
\Veo kept the account of your emit nces in going to
Vienea kept it Itty:ielf.
How rood you keep it when yon said you could neit:ter
read nor write ?—I know ugly to wide my name and
hardly that.
Earl Grey then ordered that part of the witness's for-
mer examination be read over to him, in which he stated
that he could not recollect how long he had been in Mr.
Hyatt's service, at Gloucester, because he had not the
book with Mai on winch he marked these things.
Asked what he meant by that book i'— Witness—l said,
I had not the hook to mark mom. I did not say the book
in which I had marked, but the book to mark upon.
Does lie 111 Pall to say that lie had not the book itt which
he put these down, or that he kept no book?
Interpreter bolding up his hands, anti in a tone of
auursial; usionishment—" God bless m!—He's quite oft'.
lie says now, 1 had no book to mark upon !"—Kircat
lunching.)
'fee witness Majocci was now taken front the bar, and the
Counsel were ordered to withdraw.

After a passe of sonic minutes
The Alio quis of LA N DO MC rose.—Before Counsel were
called in again, he wished to draw the attention of their Lord-
ships to a matter awe:kit:table importance. A letter had been
mentioned in the course of an inch:eat:el discussion which took
place yesterday, as having been received from Al. Marietti, the
banker in Milan, stating that, in consequence of some confmuni-
cation made to M. Mr rieni by a Culoottl Brown, an agent there
of the him;lit.li Government, he (M. Marietti) entertained ap •
preiteasi.a.s that his son, a resident in thi, coantry, would be
bent out of it under the Alien Act, tier las interterenee in the
nli'airs of the Queen. But it was not till this morning that lie
(Lord Lansdowne) had teal an opportunity of scein.r that letter
itself, in coa,equence of its publication in tire New. p.tpers; and
he taw enotull in that latter to make him feel it to be an impera-
tive duty now to call the attention of the I louse to the subject.
It did then appear, front the letter of M. Alarietti, which had
been and of the antlienricity of which he had no doubt,
that in coostquence of sonic cummuriteution made from Colonel
Brown to Al. Aiarietti, senior, apprehensions were entertained
that tile younirer Alarietti would be sent out of this country under
the Alien Act, in constapienca of his hiterfetence with the muse
of the Queen—an into terence which, after what had conic out in
ye-tertLy, his Lordship could huge nodiflieulty in saying
was must proper, and in every respect within the limits of to
and warrantable inquiry. If such a communication did take
place, it was the duty. of his Majesty's Ministers without the
lcast delay to disavow it, and to recut the agent who had thus
abused the trust emir:lel to him. The Noble Marquis, on these
grounds, concluded with asking the Norde Earl opposite, first,
whether Colonel Ibown was an accredited aa;ent of the British
Government? and, secondly, whether Ministers have taken any
steps so ascertain whether Colonel Brown had made any such
communication as that complained of, to M. Marietti?
Lord LIVER 1.001. said, Colonel Brown was a qualified,
accredited agent of the P.ritish Goveinment; and his Lordship,
as sour as fie was told of the communication said to have been
made to M. Marietti, had instantly ordered Colonel Brown to be
writttm to for the fullest exp:anution on the subject.
Mr. RRoUGIIIAAI said it was not his intention to cross-
examine any forth -r.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then rose at half-past twelve
o'clock to suet up the evidence to the Douse. The Leautned
Genii:amen took a review of the whole of the evidence, and con-
clude(' by declaring that he thought the motifs brought forward
entirely supported the Bill.
LA great many Lords here expressed their dissent from this
position by a most eloquent shake of their heads.l
The Solicitor-General concluded about thur o'clock, and, after
a short pulse, Lord LON SDA LE asked the Noble Earl (Liver-
pad) whether there wits any disposition on the part of those who
supported the Bill to consent to the divorce clause being with.
drawn. In case there should be such a disposition, Counsel
might take a &atria view of the Bill.
't he Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that the evidence was
not coneititled, and it would be most irregular to discuss the
triscits or the clauses of the Bill. When the time came for disr.
cussitat to the Couttuittce„ the House would deal with the clauses
as they might judge proper. At the same time he ;land Liver-
pool) had uo hesitation in saying, that as the otieet of the Bill
was or promote public justice and the honour of the ootintry, not
us some load insinuated, sole)), to relieve ant Illustrious Person
who ',tight be hot:rested in the result; be was ready, if there
was any struirg fe-th-tg on Ore part of their Lordships and the
mono), t Cite Divoree Clause, to agree to wit:a:raw it.
E. ri GHI.Y expicsael an ovilion that the Clause must stand
or full with the hail. One.wits the neee :stay c. nsequence of the
other. If the Qteen uses ele,,artaltal, she could nut, *insistent
wide the honour anti the Crown, remain Queen Con•
sort. If the litime eatertaitied the Bill without the Divorce
CLose, it would be a Bill to degrade his Majesty as well as the
Qttt•en.
Tile Earl of 1.0 DALE explained.
The Lel of 10 fNOLAiII.MOIII.: said, the observations of the
Nicole Earl JAGS:We, w ere well caleulated to smooth the way for
the ohjtatititis of the Ilii;irt Iteveteml It.lielt. sonic of whom were
sow ed to be to-tile 10 the Divorce Chime. lle for one could
it. ser consent to any alteration wheel taught have the effirct of
leasing; snit that
LOlll.O CIIANCELLOR then called upon the Queen's
Cocoscl to state, a bether theyinesnt to bei4in his ease to-morrow
tail 1„0 on with it, or did lie wilt to cuter on it in part, and defer
the fat titer healing to a future day.
Alr. was not prepared then to state to the
Hearse tic ptccise course lie should take. Ile tilt any restriction
bye.:l lib:, an that respect a great hardship, end Le cairn-A:el a
111.11 S.: wot.id :11i1111• till to.nunrow, at twelve o'clock, sir
rye .answer. Ile did taut know whether her Majesty would
permit him to ask fur any delay.
r. hiorr:.l.tan, artier sank further discus.tion on the subject,
was inhumed by the Lord Chancellor, that lice Majesty's Coun-
sel should be called on to-morrow, at twelve o'clock, to give au
answer to the que.tion.
Tire Hume Own adjourned.

111111AY, REPT. 8.
The !lenge nod at half pint eleven , prayers were read,
and the toil Cdilvd over.
About three thiourea before twelve o'clock, Counsel
were called in.
Tin 1.01t1) CHANCELLOR.--Mr. Brougham, yon
are desired by the house to Mate whether you ale ready
to co 11111 l rime the defence now, arid follow it by evidence,
ur olit open it now cud then ask a delay berms )oti c‘a-
mine, the oil 111'NSCII.
Mr. 11144.1. HA IC fOSP, end in a low tone of voice, which
was JCillt`t Iv doulible. addressed their Lordships. We
unit.' tam to say that he way prehai ed 11l compeller.
tilt 'lt 1"1-e 01 hatr bl.6.l‘sty siuwornd al.ut.id he fctl hem:-

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wary to call evidence, that he might be allowed to do so,
or possess the option of calling %finesses at a (tame pe-
riod. _ .

file Earl of LAUDERDALE moved that the Counsel 11,1,
withdraw. This heing done, the Noble Lord suit he was
sure that their Lordship's worth' grant the Learned Conn •
set for the Qaeeit every indulgence itecessary for the roots
of justice, or consistent with the dignity of the House;
and that, if they requited time for lb: defence, it would
would readily he granted.
Lord EitifilNi: did nut wish the Counsel for her Ma.
jesty to he !Mimed in the def.-lice, but that they should
ne slitter ed to COI .... ence now, without being milled on to
say whether they inteilded to call witnesses and ectoderm
it to its conclusion or trot. The Learned Coansel might
make such an impression on the House, as to render it
rinnecssary to call any witnesses. In the ordinary Courts
of Law—and the nearer the proceeding of their Lord.
ships were assimilated to the Courts of Law the better—
when n prosecution was co iiiiii euced, the Grimmer could
either begin the cause, or, if Ire wished to delay it, he
could do so, by withdrawing the record, or specially
moving the Court for that purpose; lint wheel a came was
Once began, he must go through with it; and the Counsel
for the defence must also go on with it, because he is
supposed to have been fully prepared. Should, however,
any circumstances afterwards transpire which are im-
portant, and of which he could not hare the benefit at
the time, he has still the remedy in a new trial, which, on
a statement of the circumstances is not refused. No etch
remedy, however, was left to the defendant before their
Lordships, who could not grant any new trial. The pre-
amble of the Bill he considered like an indictment is
common law; and if their Lordships had given the same
advantages as ore given iu the cases of indictment. a list
of the witnesses, and the. times and places where the
crime was alleged to have been committed, they would
not have placed themselves in the predicament in which
they now stood. No individual ever came to a Bar situ•
ated as her Majesty; sire was ignorant of the charges
against her, and could not even prepare for her defruce
until the prosecution was closed. Her Counsel could not
cross.examine the witnesses, because they had never
known even their names until placed at the Bar of their
Lordships. %What were now the consequences; the evi-
dence that had been adduced was not confined to their
Lordships ; it had gone forth to the public, and was
now partly known throughout the whole of Enrope.m.
'fire Noble Eat' opposite (Liverpool) did himself honour
when he said, Cud forbid any impression should be
made on any person by the evidence that had been
brought forward; he would say, God forbid also; but it
was not in human nature, not to be affected in some de-
gree by ex-parte statements. If the House should adjourn
now, a very nufavotitsble impression would rest against
her Majesty. His Majesty's Solicitor-General, iu sum-
ming up, had Said the evidence was incontrovertible.
Were their Lordships then to adjourn for two or more
months, and sutler evidence to go forth, uncoutradicted,
which the Solicitur-Lieneral said could not be answered,
If it was wriiiig in courts of law to hear the Counsel for
the prosecution sum up, without hearing the Counsel for
the defence, how mncu more so in the present case. He
contended that they might to 'mar the Counsel for her Ma•
jesty, without requiriorg from him airy promise as to wire-
titer he would calf witnesses now, or then ask for delay.
But what was the cause of all this inconvenience? The
division of the cause into two parts. Arid why was it so
divider'? Not certainly to favour the accused. The
Learned Counsel Nom) one side had stated, that the evi-
dence already profiler(' was such as could not be
answered. Shook' not the Coinisel on the other side have
au opport 111 l ity of slating whenter he could answer it or
not Let that he done; let the bane and the antidote go
oat together. Torre viola he no injustice in such a course.
Her Majesty's Coeusel had a rigid, before the adjourn.
ment took. place, to call upon their Lordships to pause on
the evidence. He had no feeling in the case, nor should
lie permit the intrusion of airy brit what might belong to it
in the end, and yet lie was afraid to speed two or hum
moths with the evidence in his mind, assisted and en.
forced as it was by the summing up of Counsel. All that
her Majesty's Counsel asked was, that they should permit
him to make his statenteut, leaving it to their Lordships
to determine afterwards as to the motile to be pursued
with respect to the evidence. If, after making his state-
meta, Ire should proceed to call in witnesses, then would
be the time for them who disapproved. to state their obi
ject ions.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, the question on
which they were now to decide was this, whether they
would adjourn after the persons wire appeared fur the
Bill had closed their case, ur whether they would 1111.111111 t
the Crimea:l for her Majesty to open their case before the
adjour 1111 l rut. Ile would contend, Nitro every principle
of justice, that if they were to adjourn at all, they miaow!
do so at the present period. The House had proceeded
all along with a view to alford the utmost indulgence to
her Illojesty. It was true, as his Noble Friend had stated,
that the iiirlaence oi' sucln a body of evidence remaining
in the mind toe two or three months was an evil, but the
evil had been mitigated by the perniimion to cross-exa-
mine, and the toiriitiation laid by that meatus for more
eSlim IVC (!xamitua lion in future.

The LOUD CII.INt.:ELLOIt had never in his life felt
more disposed to decline a task imposed on him than he
felt at that moment. lint liehad sa duly to pertainsi and
that ditty he must perlorm to the best of his judgment.—
tie d,d nut recall !lie opititou that lie had formefly
that if the Counsel fur the defence prayed fur lime, they
ought to have it ; but whatever wete the• peculiar cir-
V11111,1:1111ei.b of this case, it was the duty of their Lord-
ships tot nand their deet.ion on sonic general In iodide
that might safely be refilled to in future times, as a
precedent. He emelt, nut disguise Its sentiments and say,
that it was nu evil to liditllllll in this state of ine proceed-
ings. Their Lordships would be guilty of a violate of
their duly, if they were to suppose any thing like estab-
lished guilt was to be ass irons what 1144 passed. It
was their ditty to rimenther, that possibly every syllable
of the evidence might lie disproved. The Hone ;Meta
ust di to :he honour of the Learned Cuunsei, and he
hoped they should llever !cc men at that Bar who did nut
hear the saute. high character; lint it was lint too their
Lordships, in the adwiuistraliuo of justice, to place t on.
hileiive w any individual so tar a► to tin get those ;seismal
pitileiplts by which their conduct ought always in he
governed. U pen mature consideration of the whole put•s-
tJuu he declatril that, acting on the 110110111. Of a Peer and
his se use of duty as a 111411, he eutdd Ilia approve of the
ploposit!on wliteh had been made 10 their Loidshipss—
/For colitlisiiri ran ,re .ge tis.)

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