The Sun.
London, England, 1855-05-15 00:00:00

THE DIVISION LAST NIGHT.

The Earl of MALMESBURY called the attention
of the leader of the Government to a circumstance that
occurred last night, in the division that took place upon
the motion of the Earl of Ellenborough. After the divi-
sion, proxies were called on the part of the Government, at a
time when a considerable number of bards of the Opposition
side of the house had left, under the impression that
proxies would not be called for. The custom had hitherto
been for the Government to give notice of their intention
to callfor proxies if they had really such an intention. Yes-
terday, however, it appeared, probably by accident, that
this custom was departed from. He thought it would
tend greatly to the convenience of all 'parties in that
house if due notice were given that proxies would be
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The Earl of BESSBOROUGH said he believed it
never had been the custom for the Government to give
notice. It so happened that he had been entrusted with
a large number of proxies, and when that division took
place as he passed along the gangway he called as loud
as he could " Proxies."

The Earl of DERBYsaid the fact was, that the occasions
of calling proxies were exceedingly rare. He thought
that it would be most expedient as well as desirable
when proxies were intended to be called for, that notice
of such intention should be given.
Earl GRANVILLE thought that the suggestion
made by the two noble lords opposite was deserving of
much consideration. At the same time he mu-4 observe that
when the noble lord alluded to the rare occasions on
which proxies were called that he could hardly imagine
a circumstance more natural for the Government than,
upon a question of such importance as that of last
night, and• upon the result of which the existence of the
Government depended, that they should endeavour to
show to the country and the world the very large
majority of peers that were determined to support their
policy.

The Earl of DERBY hoped that the noble earl would
now give notice whether he intended to call for proxies
on Monday next. (Laughter.)
Earl GRANVILLE said he would divide the house
on Monday.
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Earl GREY—Then, in that case, I may reckon that
the noble earl's vote will be i❑ favour of my motion.
The Earl of DERBY was not disposed to give to the
noble lord any pledge upon the subject.
After a few words from Lord REDESDALE the subject
dropped.

INTESTACY (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, this bill was
read a second time.

UNION OF CONTIGUOUS BENEFICES IN
CITIES AND TOWNS.

The Bishop of LONDON, in moving the second read-
ing of this bill, said it was his intention, after the bill
had gone through its stage., to move that the bill
be referred to a select committee.
Lord PORTMAN said he had intended to have made
some observations on this bill, but the referring it to a
select committee rendered it unnecessary for him to do
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AFFIRMATIONS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
TRADE WITH RUSSIA.

The Earl of A LBEMARLE rose to move that it was
the opinion of that house that, in order to bring the war
with Russia to a speedy termination, it was necessary to
restrict the trade with that country by more effectual
measures than any which had hitherto been adopted or
announced by her Majesty's Government.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

ROUSE OT' COMMONS.—(THIS EVENING.)
The SPEAKER. took the chair at four o'clock.
The following bills were read a third time and passed:
—Aberdare Valley Railway ; Dundalk and Blackrock
Railway • Dundalk and Enniskillen Railwa.
The following bills were considered and ordered to be
read a third time :—Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln-
shire Railway (Lincoln Branch, &c.) ; Nottingham and
Loughborough Road (Re-committed).
WOOLMER FOREST.
Mr. WILSON moved to nominate the select com-
mittee on Woolmer Forest Bill :—Mr. Wilson, Mr.
Portal, Viscount Duncan, Mr. Compton, Sir James
Buller'East, and Sir William Jolliffe ; and five members
n to be added by the committee of selection ; three to be
the quorum.—Agreed to.
PETITIONS.
Petitions were presented by Capt. Scobeil, from places
in Somersetshire, against the Maynooth grant, and in
favour of the abolition of church rates ; by Mr. Wick-
ham, from the inhabitants of Shipley, Thornton, Wile-
den, Baildon, and Idle, Yorkshire, for the repeal of-the
Beer Act of last session ; also from the members of va-
rious friendly societies in Bradford, of the number of
2,000, against the said act. A 'great number of peti-
tions-were presented by various hon. members, from dif-
ferent places in favour of the abolition of church rates,
&c. ; but the indistinct tone in which the Speaker calls
out the names of members who have got petitions to
present, the buzz of conversation in the body of the
house while the presentation of petitions is going on,
and the careless manner in which members announce the
name of the place from which petitions emanate, and
their prayer, render it almost a hopeless task to
try and catch what the petitions are about, who pre-
sents them, or whence they emanate.
CLERKS IN PUBLIC OFFICES.
Mr. M. MILNES gave notice that on this dareareek
he should call attention to the state of the clerks in the'
public offices.
ORDNANCE SURVEY (SCOTLAND).
Lord SEYMOUR moved for a copy of the Treasury
minute authorising the Ordnance Survey upon the scale
now in prOgress in Scotland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said as
soon as the report was agreed to he should take an op-
portunity of presenting an early copy of it to the house.
STATUTE LAW COMMISSION.
In reply to Mr. LOCKE KING,
Mr. WILSON said when the vote would be taken for
the Statute Law Commission it would be impossible to
say ; but as soon as it could be done it should be laid
upon the table.
CHURCH OF ENGLAND (CANADA).
Mr. GLADSTONE moved for copies of any Address
from the Legislative Council and Legislative Assembly
of Canada, during their present session, touching the
legal position of the Bishops and other members of the
Church of' England in that colony ; and of the votes of
the respective houses on any such address if received.—
Agreed to.
MR. LAYARD'S RESOLUTIONS.
Mr. LAYARD gave notice that, on going into corn-
mitee of supply on Thursday week, he should bring for-
ward his resolutions.
RAMSGATE HARBOURS.
Mr. MACKINNON rroved for a select committee to
ascertain the condition, revenue, and-expenditure of the
harbours of Ramsgate and the. Cinque Ports.
Mr. BOUVERIE said that, with regard to the Cinque
Ports, the hon. member had said nothing, and he (Mr.
Bouverie) would follow his example, and confine his re-
marks to Rarnsgate alone. He could not assent to a
select committee on this subject, because the subject of
Ramsgate Barbour was exhausted, and nothing further
could be gathered with respect to it. The papers he held
in his hand referred to Ramsgate harbour, besides
which he had with hini a report relating to the same
matter. At the same time the question of Ramsgate
harbour was an important one. (Hear, hear.) It was
maintained by tolls on the shipping, but lately those
tolls had been reduced. In 1851 the reductions amounted
to something like 4,6001. per annum, and in 1852 to
5,0001., whilst the toll now levied was at the rate
of 63 per cent, less than the rate to which the trustees
were entitled. The shipping' was benefited by the pas-
sing toll upon shipping, and he therefore did not think
that it would be desirable to take away from the harbour
all means of maintenance. At present the harbour was
not in an efficient condition ; but the question arose, how
the harbour was to be maintained when it was placed
upon a proper footing. He was himself favourable to a
change of management. The control of the harbour was
now in the bands of a body of trustees, men of eminence
and character in the city of London, who, whilst devot-
ing some time to the harbour, could not give that
attention to it which its importance deserved.
The first step necessary to put the harbour in a
proper state of efficiency would be the alteration of man-
agement--and he proposed that the direction should be
taken from the trustees and vested in another authority
under the control of the Board of Trade. Under these
circumstances, and as all had been ascertained which
could be collected on the subject, he trusted his hon.
friend would not press for a committee. (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. B. PECHELL did not think the Vice-Pre-
sident of the Board of 'Trade had afforded any strong
reasons against the committee, and he should, therefore,
give it his cordial support.
After a few words from Mr. JAMES MACGREGOR,
on the importance of Ramsgate being maintained as a
harbour of refuge,
Mr. CARDWELL said, that many motions had been