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VINCOU n t NIE IL 1.1.7 obsetved, in ant wei to the observa-
tions of thu Noble Eerl, that economy in the Naval Department
h.tii hien gradual. With resp to ships of the force staied by
tlio Noble Earl, his Nitijaty's ships were considered equal to
the ships of the United States, and there was no particular desire
to have them of n superior force.
The Earl of DARNLEY sprev;ed himself sinistied with the
Noble Viscount's eaplanation, and the subject dropped.
Tice other Orders of tac Day having been discu.:sal, the House

WEDNESDATt JULY 19.
BANK Fonornies BILL —Lord LAUDERDALE pre-
welted a petition trims Alexander Tilloch, praying to be heard by
Counsel against the Bill to prevent Beak Votgenes. The peti-
tioner claimed to be heard 0,11 tire ground that the Commissioner
annointed to examine into the best means of preventing Batik
Vorgeries had adopted his iheention. The Noble Earl moved,
that Counsel be called to the Da and beard.
The Earl of LI VElll'OOl. opposed the motion. There
could he no difficulty in deciding upon this quetion. The fre-
quency, of capital punishment billowing the crime of forgery had
rendered it desirable to prevent the crime it possible, by making
forgery of Bank notes so difficult, that it would be almost impos-
sible to accomplish the object of the forger. The petitioners said
they had peen aggrieved, but in his view they had not been ag-
grieved. They had the full benefit of their own inventions ap-
plied to all Bo els.. except the Bank of England. They ought
not to throw the Bill aside, but give the plan a fair triai. It ought
not to Be impeded because one maw came forward and said he bad
been aggrieved.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, the petitioner complained
that the plan adopted was his elan, and certainly that was a state-
ment on which a Petitioner might be heard.
I.ord II E D ESDAL E expressed an opinion that the Petitioner
was not aggrieved.
The Petition was lald on the table.
The Bill then went through the committee, and was reported
to the House without amendment.
CITY PETITION MESPECTINO TIIE QIIEEN.—Lord HUS-
K I NE presented ti Petition from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, &c.
in Common Council ast,embled, against the Phill, and Penalties
Bill. The Petitioners stated, that they heard a lidl ea.:, in pro-
gress, in which her Majesty, the Queen consort, was charged
with adultery, and tirade liable to set ..re pains and penalties.—
This Bill was brought in upon the report of a Secret Committee,
made upon papers and documents, and as the Petitioners believe
without examination of any persons on oath.
The Petition was read.
The LORD CHANCRLLOR immediately after left the
woolsack, and declared the Petition so objectionable that
he should vote against receivinie it. He then put the
question—" is it your Lordship!, pleasure this Petition be
received ?" A general exclamation of " No!" followed, and
the question being negatived, the Petition was not received.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that it was not to be
presumed, from the silence of their Lordships, that they acqui-
esced in the statement of facts in the Petition. As the Petition
had not been teceiwed, he should move it be rejected.
The Noble Earl's motion was accordingly put by the Lord
Chancellor.
The Duke of HAMII.TON said, he should oppose the motion;
ha did not wish to go into the question, whether the allegation in
the Petition, respecting the Secret Committee, was well minded;
he wished only to act upon an impression, that it was necessary
to give the people every opportunity of petitioning, when they fit
they had ground fur it. There appeared to be much hostility to
the right of petitioning, in ueating the petition of a Corporation
with disrespect.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—" If any person supposes I
mean any disrespect to the Corpuration of the City of London, I
protest against that supposition. Nu man wishes to pay more
respect to petitioners than I do; but I cannot. conceive the
Corporation of London has right to interfere with the proceedings
of this House, more than any other corporate body; and, my
Lords, if you are to give way in these matters you had better
not legislate.
The Duke of HAMILTON, in explanation, observed, that it
was not his intention to impute disrespect to the Noble and
Learned Lord. He contended that a Petition in napactful terms
was entitled to a fevourable reception.
Lord HOLLAND said, he could have wished this Petition
had been rejected sub silentio. He thought it was a Petition
which ought not to be received. The House having appointed a
Secret Cumtnittee. the Petitioners took on themselves to say
what the Sealed Papers were. This was a fact they could not
know. No petitioner had a right to assert what,eassed before a
Secret Committee of that House, without he knew what the pro-
ceeding was. If the Petition was received it would be an adults.
sion that the green bag contained all the evidence of the Milan
Commission, which he did not believe it did. The Nettie Lord
concurred in the motion.
The Petition was then rejected.
M•RSIADE ACT AMENDMENT 8iLL....01401'd ELLEN-
BOROUGH moved the above Bill be re.committed, and the
House accordingly went into Committee.
Lord REDESDALL adverted to the Bill as it then came before
the House, and expressed an opinion that the amendments made
by the Noble Lord rendered the Bill more objectionable than it
was in its original state. He concluded by moving the Bill be
committed this uay six months.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he had been anxious not to
object to the Bill, but on mature consideration of the subject, lie
was obliged to entreat the House to take more time for the consi-
deration of this most important subject. Ile concluded by ex-
pressing & hope that their Lordships would bring forward the.
Bill early in the next Session.
After some further discussion, the motion of Lord Redesdale
was agreed to, and the Bill thrown out.—Adjourned.
TIIUNSDAY, JULY SO.

Btu. •r Pools &VW LThe Earl of LIVER-
POOL moved that a Committee oe appointed to search for pre-
cedents, as to the mode of enforcing the attendance of Peers in
proceedings upon the Bills of Pains and Penalties--The motion
agreed to.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL then nominated the Committee.
Among the members were, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord
Rolland, Viscount Melville, the Earl of shaftesbury, Lord M.
Germans, the Eirl of Darlington, and the Marquis of Laos-

downe.
The Irish Fisheries Bill, the Bank Forgeries, and the other
Bills, were read the third time and passed.
Mr. Johnson, from the Office of Chief Secretary for Ireland,
presented Papers at the Bar relating to the Public Revenue.
The House went into a Committee on the Irish Court Chan-
cery Regulation Bill.
Lord REDESDALE, after malting several amendments, pro-
posed to leave out :he words whicit, in one of the clauses, ope-
rated :.s a post ludo law. It declared that no :shiver in
Chancery, :n liehuid, should hold out any other otfce after the
Ist of August, and it was described as falling peculiarly hard on
Mr. Flice, the present Member fur Dublin, who is a Master in
the Irish Chancery.
The Lad of LIMED:Cf: opposed the amendment.
The House divided on the question, and the amendment was
carried by a ma:aority of lst.
We understand Lord KENYON then moved to leave out the
clause altogether, which relates to residence, and upon a division
the motion was carried :
For leaving out the clause
Against it lO
The Pill, as amended, then sent through the Committee,
and a as ordcrttl to be reported.

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On iihe motion of Lord iawKLAND the Ijsseiltent Debtors'
Bill waste-committed. • -
Lord ItIiDESDALE, in the said Committee, made Several
amendments, and after a etmversation between the Lord Chai.
cellor, I,onl Auckland, and other Lords, the Amendments were
agreed to, the Bill paved thro.igh the Cvoninittee, and was
ordered to ae revorted. Adjournet

Fit IDA JULY 21.
The Small Debts' Recovery Bill was committed, and, after a
few observations from Lord Retlestlale, reported to the House.
I sisor.v usr.r DtaToos' lin.r...—The report of the Insolvent
Debtors' Bill was received.
The LORI) CIIA NC ELLOR, alluding to persons committed
for contempt in nut payinh, money into Court, observed, that some
amendment was required on that subject. which he should be
able to propose on Monday, when the third reading of the Bill
is to take place.
The Bills on the table were read, and the House adjourned.

MONDAY, JULY 17.
Mr. cALvERT moved for Returns of the Fees taken
by the Court of Requests far Southwark. It' the facts
n ere as he understood them to be, he should move, next
Session, to bring iu a li:11 on the subject, fur recovering
Is. The fees in Southwark were 164. 3d.—in London
10r. 6d.—in the Tower Divisinu,:,s. OlL—Papers ordered.
ROMAN CATHOLICS.--.Nlr. PLUNKE'rr gave notice,
that he had several Petitions on the Ankle. t of the Roman
Catholic Disabilities; but he added, that he should not
present them, nor introduce any measure on this subject,
owing to the embartassing and 1110111C111011A question which
now agitated Parliament—a question which was of the
greatest Moroi:nice to the welfare of the country.
THE New RA:MACES.—On the question that the New
Barrack Agreement WI Report be presimted,
Mr. CALCRA FT :aposed it, stating that the Old Bar-
racks might be had if the patties were so disposed. The
ago-Cement was extravagant, and without competition; and
if the measure were rejected 110 W, when the Chancellor of
the Exchequer came again he noold come with a
more moderate estimate.
The CIiANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER spoke, but
what he said war not heard.
Mr. T. W ILSON 810 opposed the motion, as the ex-

pence was too great.
Mr. CALCRAIC complained of the measure, mainly
because the Government had lertaken the business
without coining to Pat liament. (Hear.)
A Member asked who was to pay for whit had been

done?
Mr. CALCRAFT replied, the Cabinet. (A langh.)
Mr. LEN NA RD also resisted the &notion, as fo iiii ing an
inordinate demand.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw for a division.
The numbers were—
Ayes 92 I Noes 74 I Majority 18.
DUBLIN ELECTION.—The sPEAKER presented a Pe•
lition from Henry Grattan, Esq. complaining of au titithie
Election for Dublin.—Ordered to be taken into consi-
deration on Tuesday
CITY PETITION.—TiIe She! iffs presented a Petition
(ruin the Common Council of the City of Landon against
the Bill of Pains and Penalties.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman Wood, it was read,
and ordered to be printed.

THE Queen's SERVICS Of PLATE.—Dr. LUSHING•
TON renewed his motion respecting the service of plate
presented to the present Queen, in 1508, by the late
King; but he denied that lie had been desirous of lakiug
the House by any surprise, as he did nut know that the
House would not adjourn this day. The pattern was her
own; and her Majesty used it at her apai totems in Ken.
bloom Palace till she left this cottony in 1811. It was
left with Mr. Marsh, oil the express understanding that it
was to be restored on her Alajesty's return to this coun-
try ; but its return has been refused by the laird
Chatn-
beilain, who had said that his Majesty had not been
pleased to give orders for its return, and it remained at
the Jewel Office. He condemned this proceeding as
hasty, unjust, end calculated to produce ii nation in the
comitsy. The hour of trial was approaching—but was it
right to make every efiort in this way to degrade her Ma-
jesty before trial, by preventing her front keeping the
state fining her rank? He lamented thst one Meld Hun.
Gent. (Mr. Causing) was not present; and added that
the furniture, arc. now :Ilona the Queen was hired.—
( Hear.)—He concluded with moving fur papers regarding
this plate.
Lord CASTLEREAGH lamented that he was not pre-
sent on Saturday, as also the mode in which the motion
was then urged. It would not have been an extraordinary
act of courtesy first to make all possible inquiries as to
what was the mason regarding the use. re: I of tile plate.
Hitt lie round the same ecrimuny in the speech now ut-
tered which was calculated to inflame the populace, now
110 111.0 Wed as to be inchicid to timid the Sovereign's PA-.
lace. (Cheers.)—The Hun. and Learned Ge11111C01:411 was
throwing about firebrands, and he lamented this result.
It appeared to be a part of that systematic course of
nide 1111 l Nation w Inch, he was sorry to perceive, was adopted
WI this subject. (Cheers.) The basest populace was
aroused. (Cheers.)—Phi applying fur the plate now, Lord
Liverpool immediately iiiisseried, that as SOVII as her
Majesty frail obtained a suitable residence site should be
accummodated with plate. lie reprobated the motion,
and should meet it with a direct negative.
LUSHINGTON rrplied.—He hoped the Howe
would have the candour and the kindness to indulge bun
with a few words. (Hear.) He would nut occupy its
time by unswering the Motivations of the Noble Lord as
to the exercise of his huieble talents: bid lie would say,
That his appolivillellt its all ailsiser ot her slajesly
had
beer' misolietted and misought nn his part—how es er
tm-
competent lie might be, lie should discharge his duty
WWII integrity and zeal. (Hear ) lie owed it to lad 105511
yelSldieillldll mu 011idltal two or three facts. On Friday
last, for toe first hale, he had become acquainted with
any thing relating to this subject, and it was arranged
betu ern the Solicitor General of the Queen and Memel!,
that the former slieuld bring it forward on Saturday. it
was nut until late Ull that day that he was apprised by the
Solicitor-General that he should be compelled to icaVe
London, anti ion setpittitly that the task 1101st devulse
upon Min (Dr. Litslinigton). He had himself suggested
the propriety of serum% Iddliee to the Noble Luid, and
when lie came down to the House on Saturday lie had
asked the Ciiancelhir of the Exchequer if the Noble Lot d
wrie expected ; the reply was, that it was nut exactly
kuown. lie was waiting the active' of the Nelda Lot d
when the Speaker called upon him, and then he had tu
take upon Moused to decide whether lie would Wing it
tor ward or postpone it indelitittely, for tic did nut know
at that time that the I louse would be required to sit oil
fuest:ay. Vas it lit that out of respect tut 51 iiiii rs lie

should forfeit the duty he owed to his illustrious client ?
It had been asserted that motions of this kind were incite
for the purpose of inflaming the passions of the people,
and exciting prejudice and agitation not of doors; but,
had lie been aware of any other mode in which the Queen
could have obtained the use of the articles of plate she I
required, lie should tint have hesitated in adopting it. I
As far as his opinion went, he was far indeed from wish-
ing the Queen to court public favour but when a deep
and ripe necessity compelled; but in the intercourse of
her Majesty with Ministers she had not met with that
liberal treatment to which as a sovereign she was entitled.
He appealed to the justice of the House and of the COllll-
- if, when her Majesty had required a yacht to convey
her to England, the answer of the Fit st Lord of the Ad-
miralty, that the King was out of town, and that no eider
could therefore be made, was decorous or hi coming ? It
was the duty of the Noble Lord to have waited upon her
Majesty without delay, in order to take tier royal pleasure
upon the point. Surely this was no great encouragement
for the Queen to rely upon the liberality of Ministers as
to her private comforts and conveniences. The Noble
Lord had said that the motion was founded upon a gar-
bled statement of facts ; but he had not shown how they
were garbled, and he (Dr. L.) had read the whole of the
official document with which he had beets provided. He
had, however, not been quite so negligent as the Noble Lord
had supposed, fur lie had been told, on inquiry of those
who made the plate, that it had been ordered by the Lord
Chamberlain, bid that the taste and judgment of the pre-
sent Queen had been consulted. It had been truly
remarked, that the conduct of the Qileen at all dines was
evidence at least that she considered the plate her owo :
she had not only packed it np, but she had sent for it
while upon the Continent; and it was not too notch to
say, that she advanced no claim which she did not thir.k
founded in right and justice. It was obsers able that no ,
doubt had been raised regarding it until after the cala-
nuity
which visited his late Majesty had rendered him
incompetent to the duties of government; and he (Dr. L.)
entertained no opinion mole consciencions than this—
that, had it pleased Providence to have spared the facul-
ties of his Majesty, England would never have had to rue
the inquiry now impeuding over it. (Cheers.)--1 t was
not too much to suppose that the late King would have
extended to the termination of his life that paternal pro-
tection which he had uniformly shown to her Majesty.
The noble Lord had alluded to same conversation of the
Earl of Aylesford ; but, in investigations of much less im-
portance, hearsay evidence was always looked upon as
most unsatisfactory. As to this misconduct charged
against her Majesty, he bed hoped that the Hon. Mem-
bers for Yorkshire and fur Cm k (Mr. S. Wortley and Mr.
Hutchinson) would have had a little more consideration
and feeling lot the situation and character for the 'IA.
culties and embarrassments of the Queen, and would not
have taken this opportunity of venting in loud and un-
called-for terms of their disapprobation. True it was her
Majesty was not in want of immediate feuds, hut she had
no conveniences for horses nor carriages to support her
dignity as Queen Then as to her appearance in the
public streets, every body knew that she was obliged to
live in a house with the blinds of all the windows down,
or be exposed to die gaze of all who chose to look in
upon her. Was it meant that tinder these circumstances
she should be an absolute prisoner, stint out even hum the
light of day, for the sake of courting the fastidious opi-
nion of certain Hon. Mentbers?oo(Cheers.)—Such obser-
vations did no credit to the understanding or to the
feelings of the Hon. Gents. who had made them, and who
thus showed that they had no sympathy with misfortune.
He would take leave to say, that, in her Majesty's pre.
sent ct laoiitous situation, every act of consideration and
accommodation would be regarded with approbation, sod
the more so the more it seemed to emanate front the
throne itself. He would not dwell longer on this subject;
but he hoped he had succeeded in shoe ing, that, however
mistaken or unadvised might have been the conduct of
her counsel, her Majesty was in no respect implicated in
their indignation or ignorance; and lie regretted that he
had been at all called upon to step forward in the obscure
of his learned colleagues, who would have done snore jus-
tice to the cause lie hail weakly espoused.
After remarks from Lord A. Hamilton, Mr. Martin, Mr.
Hutchinson, Mr. S. Wortley, &c. die motion was nega-
tived, no division being called for.
The Report of the New Post Office Committee having
been presented by Sir W. Curtis, the House adjourned.
TIMDAY, JULY 18.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought
forward his motion respecting the Ductless uf Kent, se.
man king that no provision had been made for her infant ;
and be conchided wills moving an address tot issuing uf the
6,00J1. to the Duchess of Kent, that aould have been
due to tlic Duke of Kent for the Apia Qll4lter.—Agreed
to.
Mr. CALCRAFT moved for Returns of Brokerage be-
tween the Broker and the Aeconut-General of the Court
of Chancel y.
Mr. COURTENAY had no objection to the motion, as
far as it could be complied with. The returns were re-
quired for the lost ten years ; and he this dote doubted
whether bitch accounts could be prelim ell, especially as
the Molter was not a iereasit of die public.
Lord CAsTLEREAGH moved, that the House at it,
rising do :Weenie to Monday neat.
Mi CALCRAFT asked what it was the intention to
do then regarding further adjournment.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that it was proposed
to name the same period of adjournment that might be ,
fixed by cite Lei its; and then to 11/111C some pe•tioil when
it was likely to have the Bill before that House, and when
it annul he desirable, by a call of the House, to secure
the stillest aitendeuee pussilde.—Motion tweed to.
New lianttacus.—'llie CHANCELLOR of the EX •
CHEQUER moved the third 'ceding et* the Baruack
Agreement Bill.
Mi. LGCKHART disapproved of thu Bill, beeanse
it was resortieg to the alititary for internal protection.
The House divided on the motion. The ottothere were
Ayes to—N ors Alajoi ity 35. The Bill aas then
lead a this d thee and passed.
Mr.,C. H. HUTCHINSON moved for a copy of the
Report of the Excise Board in le eland, con14111:11g Cita
observations regarding their proposed abet ations atiecting
&e.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
previous gill sliull.
FOREIG Titame.—Mr. WALLACE pteNettted a Re-
port dont the Committee on Foreigo '1 rode. They ad-
mitted the prom title that es try keit, oat au es il,