The National Register.
London, England, 1816-04-15 00:00:00

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The Home then went into n Committee of Supply, and the'
Ordnance Estimates were referred to the Committee.
Mr. R. W.tn n then proposed the Ordnance Estimates for the
service of the year. 'lll4. Hot,. Get:UE.ll4n er tered into n com-
parative view of the Peace Establishments of former periods, as
contrasted with the one now proposed. The Peace Establish-
ment of 1753, he observed. was 1,119,0%01. which included an
improvided debt of tioo,oool, There was now no debt. except
about 51,0001. Ile then proems: eel to slate the. Ordinary and
Zstraordinary item.. In the Ordinary there was a redaction) of
447,0031. which eltit•ily t ose from the redaction of the military
Ihrce.—The re was like w:se a reduction in the Civil Div:Omen I,
ill the 'War Salaries having la en reduced with the exeeption of
ionic few saservipg trikr..--1. iu Woolwich-yard similar atten-
tion bad been .rtitl to the settle of reduction in reel to it
•1-••••••-r artificers, clerks. box. lint the loos( important part of
tse diminution of ex pence arose is. tha military Irraneit. The•
Hon. Gentletnan here passed an eitlovinnt oil the !Sliatter General
of the Ordnance, on the high state flue at tillery service had ar-
rived under his direction, in order to be enabled to bring into
tire field a force of that description commensurate with the
amount which the enemy hail constantly poured in, and which
had, in fact, changed the .yeteiti artiltery:throlightilit Europe.
In this Imaitelo a reihmtion Icul been made in the proportion of
one-eleveloth part to the army of the line, the numbers of Om
army being 111.01)0, the artillery not more than 10"10. In this
amount, however, he did not include sappers and millers. The
as hole r«lnetion last se err as as 11,3/0, since as Inch a further re-
daction was made of Aim, making a total of a boo 15,900, which,
added to the an hsequent .I:Auction, would make the total a i,tit;9.
'Within the last six week., three troops of horse artillery were
reduced, as well as et enmiti et able portions of toe drivers corps.
In fact, this latter part of the. Artillery Establishment was au
anomaly—the Captains had no command ill tile field equal to
their rank; the youngest I ,iettlentint of the Artillery would rout-
main! over a Captain of Drivers. It was proposed to allow the
Driver Officers to retire uts fall pay, the troops being reduced
from twelves to rive. There as err other reilnetions in this branch
of the Ordinary FAimates.stich as the Rid ii Be. which
would be a saving of 37,0901. The Storekeepers' denartnicut
would be reduced from 330 persons to IT. 'rite Mvdical De-
partment would be r•slaccil from 102 to tit.- -The Cadets would
ha reduced by 12; hat it was not intended to put down the Ca-
dat With respect In the Extraordinaiies, there
there would be a saying of I ;,instil. more titan the former year
in point of Stores.- The Mom. Gentleman stateaLthirt during the
host Year great exertions had been made to obtain a proper and
a only supply of Stores, at an expenee of 1,091.0001. This ex-
pence would be wholly saved, as every stinvhimse was overflow-
ing. There would also) he a saving ill an item which was an oh.
ject of great
.jettlotisy, he incant the works in Groat Britain,
Ireland, and the adjoining islands; the Military New Winks
would be 33,0031—the repairs 30,0001.; the Civil Buildings
would be 29,0001.--:the repairs 159,0001. The total diminution
in the expence of the works at Chatham, Portsmouth, Plymouth,
Gosport, .c. would amount to 100,0001. 'lite Brigade would
experience a reduction in pieces of fr six to four in Great
Eritaint. The Barrack Stations would be reduced, as WOlllll
also the Staff Desalt tomtit. The Hon. Gent 11.111 all hen. noticed
the appoimment of Generals l‘lann and Macleod—the latter,
Adintant-Gcncral of Artillery-the former. Inspector-General
of Fortifications. vi Ito took a salary 1,3001. a-y ear, instead of
2,0301. General Marleod's would be 1,0301. The expellee in
the rerinction of the small arms vs ie!'ol i.e about I 00.0aJl. An
errangement, lie observed, lead heels made with the tommfacto-
r.es for a supply lot three years, it being agreed that 4 :Leh party
should give the miler six mouth's notice of closing the contract.
Be should have to ask for 100,0001. for this supply, and next •
year 30,0901. 'lke lion. Gentleman then stated his readiness to
give every and concluded with miring the grant of
a sum of 089,2'201. is. 10(1. for the Office of Ordnance Land
Service for Great Brit:lir.
Mr. CALCa 4FT it marked at considerable length on the dif-
ferent items of the estimates, awl did not think a stifficieot re-
duction had taken place.
Mr. R. WA It I/ replied to Mr. Caleraft.
The first Resolution wax then agreed to, u were the follow-
ing sums, viz.
£ 67,951 Ordnance F.xpenccs amide gootL
103,657 Ordnance of Ireland.
9q,884 Ordnance Expences of IrAtind not made good by Parlia-
ment.
1 514. en Pensions to Officers of flrelnimce.
ton,ooo Ex)x:nre ni reducing the Onkrice-Office.
31,376 Retired Pliczt•s of cut Ordnance in treiond.
Y,993 Super:unmated Persons in tile Irish Ordnr.cce Office
$1,474 Allowanoex pt Supermarauted OtEcers of the Ordnance
Office of Great Brinan.
Or,tnamee S-evica in France',
45.4.536 Oat,•,ance of army in Great Britain.
I:llr.N'atssirt.tar ht a Committee moved for leave to bring in
*Bill to continue the Batik Restriction Act for two years,
Agreed to.—Adjourneel at nue o'clock.
Tursiravo;`..Pno. 9.

Petitions from 13 parishes in Devonshire, prayinrt a Commu-
tation of tythes ant limn the tanners in various districts, pray-
ing a repeat 14' the leather-tax were 'nese:lied.
'4e. Seriennt Onslow brought in a 14ili to amend the Acts of
William and Mary, and Anne, for the relief of Creditors against
trim thilent Devis:Na; which was read a first time, and ordered
for a second reailinu on the Y.Lith inst.
The Rank Restriction, the Malt Duty Allowance, and the
Scotch Commis-imetrs of Excise Indemnity hills, were brought
in, and read a first time.
mulcur..s ctikRLOTTE'S ESTABLISHMF.ST.
On the question of going into a Cominittoe on the Princess
raarlotte of Wales's Establishment
Mr. iiitocia a. conceived that some eistiinnte of tile expenees
of The NON was necessary. It world be recollected, that
some years since a slim was set apart for the Latatilishoient of
other branches of the royal Family, which within the first
rear was not loand sufficieo, and the persona thus provided
for gut into debt. He wished, therefore, to glum' against such
a recurrence, by providing a suns sufficient for the maintenance
of her Royal Highness..
Mr. 1.1,411%63-CIN stated the circumstances connected with
the Ca it I.ist and Consolidated Fund. 'there was a:grant of
6,5011, to the Princess Charlotte. The other suns was repaid
14 lies Royal Highness, viz. 23,5001.
Sir R. HrisoN thought the sum proposed was quite suffici-
ent. He hoped her itu:. at Highness would rot require any for
they provision. The Royal Family bad beau liberally provided

THE NATIONAT, RFATSTER.

t."-; 4.,,t1 for (Lie he wool(' pot 4ive a sate for the paymest of
the (Seta's of any Ilioh•ter or l'iloce eire or dead.

Eu lIIP the onsmity
was to he, and was answen:it 69.0001. The Hon. th•nr/einan
wished to know is what tufty the annuity mar to be paid. At
this time there uus a sum of 59,090:. paid not of the Civil I.ist
tbr her Royal lintlntess. Now it wit: a que.tisiveltvhether there
AN as to he misled by a side wind to tile Civil T.. 1-4 mi addition of
311.0001. a year, and at the now time rive the Royal Persons
60,0011. ILn cweipLimed of this mode of diseliareing ar-
rears by burdening the Civil List. lie wished ant to throw
any impediment In the way of the •ettlement on any ()erasion
wt aa.pi,:ions to the imintry. It now clearly appeared, that
this was. no.addition.o4-.39,00‘.1. .

Mr. Ltstitatismin said, she 13,0001 would cease when this
establishment was voted ; 110 that, in fart, Ihme would be 110
more claims on tin! (:nil LisLiu respeet to her Itoyal!mess.
Mr. BR MGR eunt..nded, lhat all Parliament intruded to
grant was rio,nonl. fur the Establishment of the Prioress Char-
lotte and Prince Leopold.
Mr. Lt sittst.Tosi observed, that the present establisfusit
might be voted —the :.:1,0)901. might be likeits.ed on a ("Wore
dov, when the Civil List Aceounts were before the /loose.-
(Hoar, /vim)
Mr. V.sseorr tar e•plaine.l, that the eharze on the Civil
List was 30,0001. which undoubtedly would affect it to that
amount. This chow!. ;‘,,ok. no part of the F,,thunte•, thouth
paid nut of the Civil List. There would be a saving of 70001.
a tar on the charge.

Mr. nun xr.v observed, that it had been decided, In addi-
tion la the 6,1001. to charge the Lord Steward's department
11,0001. a year, and the other &pat talent 10.0na1. The great
objection to this vote was the manner of doing it. When it
onee aot on the Consolidated Fund, there was no such thing
as getting it off. It was n so in good old times. Thieve was
no security, by agreeing to the 'west at vote, for the Civil List
being relieved* irate the charge in future. When so large a
sum as 60,0001. was :pied for, he thnught her iio l Highness
was to .be placed in a state bet:nod:a; hor rank and dignity;
but here Yhe was only to have a private establislimant, like a
private gentlewoman ; in that ease, 60,0001. was too mach ; it
was a sham-fel waste of the public money. Site was to live in
a house where it was impossible to spend it—(Bear, hrar)---
~.tlter in town or io Ca • house belonging to a Tiarouta in the
country. Was i. .:itended that her Royal I(igisuess was to
'hold Drawing-rooms after her marriatv? Would the Noble
Lord answer that qua-Jima ?—a lord Cast areaph here said, I
will give no answer that question")—Well, then, Witte No-
ble Lord will not answer my question, I will not give him the
money.—t .1 laugh.)
Lord CA STILE It EAGIT observed, that the Right Hon. Cent. rut
rinestitms and answer( al :hem himself. This was a ',era mtts-
ing drains:tic mode, but he begged leave not to net a part in such
a comedy. In respect to the Establishment, he would state
that it was to be 60,01101. annuity, and the additional 611,0091.
for outfit, anal as to the residence, if Parliament wished to pro-
vide any thing on that ;;round, her !loyal Highness wished it
might be done for a country residence, rather than for a town
residence.
Mr. 'Nausea' denied that he was acting any other part, than
for the benefit Of the country anal in.unison with its feelings.—
( Hear, hear. )—The question was a prope, one, and acquired
au answer; he might represent his conduct in any other quar-
ter arhe chaise ; but he wrath) say, whi:e there were WI many
'Wares, he would not su.r am; money fur a,country residence.
Ha wished to know, as their Re-. .1 llighnesses preferred a
emantry residence in private, why Critnltourn Lodge would not
do. Notwithstanding all tht.increased expences, we had 110
thew for our money.
Mr. Buouattast maintained, that if her Royal Highness was
to live in privacy, then late sum now demanded was by far too
much. He must again repeat his satistitetion that a matrimo-
nial engagemeut had taken place ; but lie was bound nail to vote
the (mamma: money without seeing that it was properly voted.
As to the Noble Lord's ignorance it' her Royal Highness's in-
tentions, it was evident that if she held a Court (and hold a Court
she oughtt, it could not be held at Camelford House. With re-
spect to this private! Establishment, it bad cost the conatry
37,0901. a-year; to add 23,9001. and torn it into a Royal Esta-
blishment,was a gross misealenlation—twkle an,oool. would not
do. lie should, therefore, move (in order to obtain better infer-
mation; that the Chairman should report pragress and ask leave
to sit again.
Mr. METnera wished to know front Ministers, when the
a 0,0331. was paid annually, whether the charge nit the Civil List
was to be cleared o)f. xt the same time he wished it to be put
to the good sense of their Hoye, nightie-sea to bring their Es-
tablishment within the stun now demanded.
lord CACTIERF vitt said, that he had distinctly stated that
this sum was the only one the illustrious partite, would have for
their own maintenance.
Mr. C. NV VNNE contended, that this House were lomnd to
enquire into the expenditure of the sum now proposed to be
voted ; nor had it been clearly stated how the grant was to be
taken. He had heard that the ladies in attendance upon her
Royal Highness had not been paid : but he mild not believe
such a report, after the Noble I,ord bad slated the contrary.
Mr. V A N‘l'l TAN -a' entered into an caplanatinn of the disburse-
ments of the Civil List. The only saving was 6,5001 leaving a
deficiency of I ia,oool. unprovided fur.
The question for repartieg progress was put and negatived
without a division ; and the blank was filled up with tire worth,
" Sixty. Thuusand."—The report sass then received.