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THE LOAN BILL.

but at the same time I will say that it you found that it
was doing that which was mischievous to the community,
and that the religious scruples of the community would
not allow the c.mtinuance of this grant, or with reference
to civil and ecclesiastical reasons you found that those
you meant to be teachers of religion had become the
leaders and conductors of rebellion, there is then ground
sufficient to refuse this grant—then I say that there is
no valid reason to restrain you—no reason why the house
should not be justified in declaring that no Waller
grant should be given." Leaders of rebellion ! Disturbers
of the public peace ! Let hon. gentlemen look to their
elections, and say whether the noble lord's words did
net strictly apply to the Roman Catholic priests. On the
authority therefore of Sir Robert Peel and the noble
lord the member for the City of London, he stated that
a deep seated feeling on the part of the community at
large called for a repeal of that grant, and upon that
ground he appealed to the house to support the motion
for repeal. Hon. gentlemen would, in all probability,
soon have to meet their constituents, and they might
depend upon it that the most important question which
would be put to them would have reference to this ques-
tion of Maynooth. (Hear, hear.) He had agreed a few
years ago to inquiry, but he had never consented to
inquiry by a commission, which was the course pur-
sued. The report of that commission, he would
show, was a complete delusion and sham, and the
most conclusive proof of that was that the report
was sent to Rome, while the Queen and her subjects
were kept waiting for it for weeks and months together.
Nlore than that, in the appendix to the report there was
a return, in which Dr. Cullen and some other bishops
received their full ecclesiastical titles, in defiance of the
law ; and he had the authority of Lord Harrowby for
stating that this was done without his authority, and
that the titles were not in the return when it was pre-
sented to the commissioners. He thought it was for
the Government to ascertain who had since tampered
with the return. He stated further that the evidence of
several witnesses had been tampered with, modified, and
partially suppressed, after it had gone out of the short-
hand-writer's hands. He next referred to the class-
books used in the institution, quoting from them pro-
positions on ethical subjects, which are condemned
everywhere except in the books of the casuists.
The honourable member next turned to the sub-
ject of oaths and obligations, quoting Liguori and
other Romish divines, and pointing out the ob-
jectionable character of their doctrines ; and then pro-
ceeded to read evidence given before the Maynooth
commission respecting the books in use in the college.
Some books, he said, were excluded as favouring Galli
can doctrines, and others as enforcing doctrines respect-
ing marriage hostile to the view taken by the Roman
Catholic Church. With respect to the Index Expurga-
torius, it appeared that the witnesses considered it as not
binding in Ireland, but that still the Romish clergy felt
very much influenced by it in the selection of their
books. Here, then (said the hon. member), were the
English Government and people endowing a college, the
studies of which were regulated by a foreign potentate,
and the students of which looked to Rome, not to Eng
land, for the selection of those books. He called on
hon. members to real the evidence for themselves, and
then to say whether they would continue to support
this vote. Let them consider that the priests were
teaching the doctrines of Rome to the people, and
more especially, as regarded the rite of marriage, teach-
ing them among other things that no heretical
marriage carried the right of succession along with
it. He asked the house to give him leave to bring in a
bill which should withdraw the national support frem
an institution which, in his opinion, taught doctrines so
objectionable. The bill would provide that the students
in the college at the time of its passing should receive
their present allowances to the end of their terms ; and
also that while teaching these remaining students, the
professors should retain their salaries. This might be
objected to on the high ground of principle, but previous
legislation had left him no alternative. With that ex
ception he would propose to withdraw all corporate
power, but 'that the present corporation should have
the power to deal with the property of the college as
trustees. Having cautioned the house against perm:t
ling an institution to continue, the function of which
was to destroy the Established Church, the hon. mem-
ber proceeded in an indistinct tone to address himself to
the Roman Catholic members present. He reminded
them of the promises made at the time of the Emancipa-
tion Bill, and expressed his conviction that no en-
lightened Roman Catholic believed the pernicious
doctrines taught at Maynooth. The truth was that they
believed that everything was properly managed by their
prelates, and gave themselves no troubie to inquire into
the doctrines taught in the books. He could, from his
own knowledge, say this much of the Roman Catholic
families of Warwickshire, amongst whoth he lived, and
whom he knew to make some of the best magistrates and
landlords in the county. But such were not the men
who had been sent by the Emancipation Bill to that
house; on the contrary, they were, as a body, the no-
minees of the priests, and bound to obey the behests of
the sacerdotal body in everything. These were the men
who bad frequently stated that they would never be con-
tent while the Established Church remained in Ireland.
(Hear, hear.) He warned the house that if these men
were not restrained, they would persevere until the
Protestant institutions of this country had been de-
stroyed by their machinations. He did not expect
many more opportunities of addressing that house on
this subject. His age rendered the disclaimer of ambi-
' tion unnecessary ; his only motive was duty to God
and his country, and the responsibility which rested on
all who, like him, hal carefully studied this question.
Re looked upon this State support of Popery as a na-
tional sin, and he trembled on the brink of that precipice
to which the conduct of their rulers was bringing the
nation. He hal now done, he believed, his duty, and
should therefore not apologise for having detained the
house, but he would thank the house for the attention
with which it bad listened to him, and at the same 6(m-
ile begged to repudiate the intention of wounding the
individual feelings of any hon. member. The honourable
member concluded by moving—" That this house do
resolve itself into a committee, for the purpose of con-
sideriug the acts fur the endowment of the College 01
of Maynooth, with a view to the withdrawal of any en-
dowment out of the consolidated fund, due regard being
hal to vested rights or interests.",
Mr. DUNLOP seconded the motion. He did so as
a Dissenter, believing that Maynooth College xag,
in fact, a buttress of the Irish Established Church,
which could never be interfered with so long as the
Maynooth college was upheld. He dwelt at great length
on the evidence given before the commission as to the
power exercised by the priests at parliamentary elections.
Mr. POLLIRD-UR,QUHA RT deprecated the agita
tion of the question at this critical period, when the
Ministers and the nation must feel seriously uneasy
the state of our army abroad. He accounted for am:
excused the conduct of the Catholic peasant in seeking
advice from the priest as to his political conduct, on th
ground that the priest was, in many cases, the
only-
educated parson with whom the voter came in contact
Violent expressions were sometimes charged against the
Roman Catholic clergy ; but it was to be remembere,
that exaggerated language was common to all parties el
the other side of the Channel, and as a set-off agains
that, he reminded the house that to the Roman Catholic
clergy was to be attributed the complete and tots
failure of the insurrection in 1848. He was willing,
however, to give up the grant to Maynooth on condi-
tioe of Mr. Spooner agreeing to abolish the Irish Esta-
blishment. Till the hon. member agreed to do that he
would continue to vote for the Maynooth grant.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD rose to move the amendment
to Mr. Spooner's motion of which he had given notice.
eiz.—" To leave out all the words after the word`con-
sidering,' and to insert ' all grants and endowments for
ecclesiastical purposes, whether charged on the Conso-
lidated Fund or annually voted by Parliament, with a
view to their withdrawal, due regard being had to vested
rights and interests.' " He said that it might have been
thought, after the report of the commissioners appointed
to inquire into the teaching of the college of Maynooth.
they might have been spared any more of these painful
discussions. But those who thought so had no notion
of that sleepless bigotry which was ever on the watch.
and of which his hon. friend, the member fur North
Warwickshire was the ever ready and willing Instru-
ment, and which he (Mr. Scholefield) believel could
never be satisfied till it had brought every faith withie
the limits of its own wretched sectarianism. (Hear.
hear.) His honourable friend had made no re-
marks on the report of the Maynooth commissioners,
but had confined himself entirely to the evidence, whey
the commission was appointed to inquire into charge
against Maynooth, connected with its religious teaching,
which was said to inculcate disloyalty to the state, and
some of it to be grossly immoral. Into the religious
question, of course, the commissioners could not well go,
but they did report on the points relating to loyalty and
morality. He then read two extracts Irons that report.
He denied that there was any indication of civil aggres-
sion on the part of the Church of Rome ; if there was,
he would join with any one in the most stringent regu-
lations to put it down. But the danger lay in the other
direction, for he believed there was a portion of the
Church of England who were bent on showing hostility,
not to the Church of Rome only or dissent, but who were
persecuting such pions and eminent members of their
own Church as Mr. Bennett of Frome, Dr. Pusey, and
the Bishops of Oxford and Exeter. He warned the
Dissenters not to trust to this section of the
Church, whothwiionnugtldemtubae glad enough to get their assist-
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H urged that the report of the coin-
missionere disproved the charges of immorality made
against the teachers'of Maynooth--denied that, consider-
ing the peculiar circumstance of Ireland, the power oh
the priesthood was an unmixed evil—denounced the Es-
tablished Church in Ireland as an evil which, if the Irish
members had done their duty, would long ago have been
carted away as so much rubbish—mid conciuded by
strongly urging that the position of affairs in this coun-
try, her alliance with three Roman Catholic states, and
the necessity for the assistance of the Irish people in
fighting the battle. of England would tend greatly to
the assertion of tilt rights of the Roman Catholics of that
coun try.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appealed
to the house to a.low tl:is bill to be ;read a third time
and sent to the House of Lords this evening.
Mr. SPOONER said it was not his wish to oppose
the Government on this question ; but if any debate
were to take place on the Loan Bill, he must oppose the
motion.

of some of the witnesses relied on by the other side, and
concluded by deprecating the introduction of this agitat-
ing t ,pic at a time when we sere in a ,great war, and
engaged with R imam Catholic allies.
Mr. HORSFALL assured hon. members who took au
opposite view to himself that It was not his desire, in
what he was about to say, to be at all offensive to them.
The question in his mind was, not what evidence could
be adduced against Maynooth, Lut whether the teaching
of the Church of RJrne was beneficial to the people
Ireland. The hon. member for North 'Warwickshire
had stated that the evidence which had been laid on the
table of the house was a fraud. He (Ur. Horsfali)
thought it was incumbent on her Majesty's Government
to have that charge either proved or disproved. The
hon. member for Birmingham thought proper to accuse
a clergyman of the Church of England, Mr. Hobart
Seymour, of uncharitableness. He would have done
better if he had answered his arguments instead of play-
ing upon words. Mr. Seymour said the Roman Catho-
lic clergy might be educated with the laity in Trinity
College, Dublin ; and he (Mr. Horsfall) had yet to learn
that any harm would have resulted from their associat-
ing with their Roman Catholic lay friends and their
Protestant lay friends who were receiving their edu-
cation at that institution. Mr. Seymour showed
that the whole requirements of Ireland were 2,260
priests, that there were 420 generally being educated
at Maynooth. It was established that 53 deaths
took place annually, and, as it required four years
for the education of a priest, and as four times
56 made 224, that left 196 more than the requirements
of Ire'and. His main argument, however, was that the
teaching of the Roman Catholic religion was not bene-
ficial to Ireland. The hon. gentleman then proceeded to
quote the well known passage in Mr. Macaulay's "His-
tory of England," showing that in Switzerland, in Ger-
many,. and in Ireland the traveller could see at once when
he passed from a Roman Catholic into a Protestant dis-
trict from the superior culture and civilisation observa-
ble in the latter ; that the same rule applies in America ;
and that during the last three centuries the policy of the
Church of Rome has been to depress the intellect, the
consequence of which has been a general decadence of the
prosperity of Roman Catholic countries; while Protestant
countries have risen in the same ratio. The hon. member
proceeded to say that there was another test which he
would apply as to the teaching of the Church of Rome.
Look at the state of crime in foreign countries. There
were official documents which gave the following returns
of the crime of murder. The convictions for murder in Ro-
man Catholic Ireland were 19 to the million ; in Roman
Catholic Belgium, 18 ; in Roman Catholic France, 31 ;
in Roman Catholic Austria, 36 ; in Roman Catholic Ba-
varia, 69 ; in Roman Catholic Sal dinia, 20; in Roman Ca-
tholic Lombardy, 45; in Roman Catholic Tuscany, 56 ; in
the Papal states, 113 ; in Roman Catholic Sicily, 90 ; in
Roman Catholic Naples, 174 ; in Protestant England, 4.
(Hear.) These figures showed the different effect of
Protestant teaching from that of the Church of Rome.
It was on that that he grounded his argument that they
were not justified in voting money for the teaching of a
religion which they, as Protestants, believed was not
beneficial to the people. His hon. friend the member
for North Warwickshire alluded to this as a question of
compact. He was quite aware that at the time, of the
union there was a certain amount voted for Maynooth,
but he denied that there was any compact. He agreed
in the opinion of the right hon. member for Oxford, in
that work of his, which was published a few years ago,
in which he said that the grant to Maynooth was vici-
ous in principle, and that it would be a thorn in the
-ides of the people of this country so long as it was suf-
fered to continue.
Mr. HORSMAN refused to follow most of the argu-
ments on the other side, because he maintained
that this was not a religious, but a political ques-
don. He maintained farther, that as a political
iuestion it was one link in the chain of nonciiia.

The bill was then read a third time and passed.
THE VIENNA CONFERENCE.

Mr. BRIGHT wished to itsk the noble lord at the
head of the Government a question, and would detain
the house but a few momenta in putting it He was not
present last evening when the noble lord (Lord J. Russell)
made his statementrelativeto the Vienna Conference, but
from what he had read in the public papers, he did not
think that it was very distinct or satisfactory. He did not
put this question for the purpose of embarrassing the
Government, for the noble lord knew that, for the last
six weeks he (Mr. *Bright) bad been exceedingly
silent—(hear, hear, and laughter)—whilst the peace
negotiations were progressing. We were now, however, in
a new stage of affairs, and he felt personally very
anxious, as no doubt hundreds of thousands were
besides, as to the result of those negotiations ;
and he therefore wished the noble lord at the head of
the Government to state distinctly what were the terms
that were offered to the Russian Government, and wl at
the Russian Government had intimated its willingness
to accept ; in fact, the exact difference between the
terms proposed by the Allies and what Russia had inti-
mated she would accept. He wished the noble lord to
state at what period he should be prepared to furnish
this information. (Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON said if the hon. gentleman
had been present last eveniag he would have heard his
question most substantially answered. (Hear, hear, and
laughter.) He stated that it was the intention of the
Government to lay on the table, at the earliest oppor-
tunity, the whole of the protocols of the Conference, and
he thought they would be found to contain all the infor-
mation sought by the hon. gentleman. (Hear,hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT—The noble lord did not state whether
any counter-propositions were made, nor did he fix any
particular time when the papers would be ready.
Lord PALMERSTON replied that the hon. gentle-
man would find the whole of the information he sought
in the papers be alluded to, which be was informed
would be ready in the course of a few days. (Hear.)

THE MAYNOOTH COLLEGE.
On the order of the day for the motion of Mr. Spooner
on the subject of the endowment of Maynooth College,
A large number of petitions were presented from
various parts of the country against the Maynooth
Grant.

tory measures which had been established of late
years, and whiil was equally honourable to Eng-
land and beneficial to Ireland. He entered at some

length into the history of the college and its sup-
port by all the successive Administrations which had

existed from its fir.t establishment, and from thence
made an appeal to the house not, now to disturb it. The
ion. member for Warwickshire formerly called for in-
quiry as a means of exposing the immoral teaching of
elaynooth. Inquiry had been granted, and he appealed
equally now to the Catholic whom he maligned and the
Protestant whom he alarmed whether the inquiry had
borne out his charge. He ridiculed Mr. Spooner'e
charges respecting the condensing of the evidence and
the assumption of ecclesiastical titles, and said that,
however h.srrible these things might be in themselves,
they did not affect the teaching of Maynooth. The hon.
member for Greenock, who seconded the motion, im-
pugned every ground on which the hon. member for
Warwickshire rested his case. (Hear, hear.) The
member for Warwickshire asked them to agree to his
(notion, or the Church would be in danger ; the mem-
ber for Greenock supported it, because he wished to
overthrow the Established Church. (Hear, hear.)
The member for Warwickshire said, if the motion was
not agreed to, the Roman Catholics would gain the
ascendancy. The, member for Greenock thought the
destruction of Maynooth would be the strongest blow
at the Established Church. (Hear, hear.) He appealed
to the Dissenters to lend their aid to destroy Nraynooth,
and they would then have the support of the Roman
Catholics of Ireland in their attack on the Established
Church. (Hear.) The evidence of the witness quoted by
that hon. gentleman showed how unfounded were the
charges made against the dictum taught at Maynooth in
reference to the temporal power of the Pope. The ex-
istence of such was distinctly denied. The hon. member
for Warwickshire had called for inquiry, but now he was
not disposed to abide by the result. Wlx-iteyer the hon.
gentleman had stated most strongly was proved to have
been stated most erroneously. The charges made most
fairly were found to be charged most unfairly ; he now
shifted his ground, and asked them to come to a conclu-
sion from the evidence directly the reverse of that the
commissioners had drawn. He put the question, indeed,
on clear and simple grounds. Re said he cared not for
the inquiry or the report, but objected to the endowment
of Popery, because it was the endowment of error. It the
natter was placed in that point of view, the question at
once arose, were they prepared to reverse the policy pur-
sued for so many years back This was not a solitary in-
-tance cf payment to the Roman Catholic religion. They
,nade Parliamentary grants to many religions other than
the Established, to Dissenters, to Roman Catholics, and
even to some who did not come within the denomina-
tion of Christian. They supported Catholic schools and
oaid Catholic chaplains in the army and in the navy,
for the prisons, and for the workhouses. The money paid
rat of the Consolidated Fund was not money taken from
Protestants and given to Roman Catholics : it was money
!ontribnted by all the subjects of the realm, and devoted
education, on the ground that the State was bound to
give all children such a moral and religious education as
vould best conduce to the welfare of the State. (Hear.)
rise hon. gentleman wished to be retrogressive in his
dicy ; but since 1829 the whole policy of this country
gal been progressive. Measures in favour of Catholics
tad been passed in 1831, '32, '36, '4O, and '45, when
slaynooth was endowed by the bill of Sir Robert Peel.
Why had this been done ? Because the Catholics had ob-
-,ained their constitutional rights by the voice of their fel-
ow subjects, and had thus compellel one concession after
mother. Hence the principle was that the national re-
igion of Ireland had been recognised, and had been
nade the care of the State. The fact was that religion
emit be considered not as a sectarian, but as a national
affair. He objected to the term " toleration." In England
he majority were Protestants, in Ireland the majority
were Catholics. The majority of the whole were Protest-
tilts ; but taxing all Europe the majority were Catholics.
What was to be done Were the two faiths to be placed
in constant hostility ? They had tried this up to 1829 ' •
end since then the policy of concession had been tried
with the utmost benefit at every step. (Hear.) The
people of Ireland were equal in numbers to those of
nany of the Catholic states of Europe ; and what people
had passed so nobly through suffering, and displayed so
much virtuous forbearance. (Hear.) In everything
that dignified human nature—in bravery, fortitude, and
endurance—they were entitled to rank with ourselves.
(Cheers.) How absurd then to talk of toleration with re-
, Terence to such a people. (Hear.) Allusion had been
made to the influence of the priests in Ireland ; but it
should be remembered that they felt with the people and
for the people. In no other country bad the priests
been so much identified with the people. They could
not say that the law or the government had been the
friends of the people ; for they had only known law or
government by their severity. But the priests had been
ettached to and identified with their flocks, and had
done their duty conscientiously. (Hear, hear.) While
adhering to and cherishing the faith in which he had
been brought up, he sympathised with every faith
and every man who was the object of oppression.
(Cheers.) So far from apologising for the course he
took, he thought it was the duty of Mr. Spooner
and his friends to apologise for the course they were
taking ; they were using their faith as a means of inflict-
ing injustice. (Hear.) While vindicating the right of
free judgment, he conceded that right to all. He
opposed this motion in the interest of charity and good-
will ; and the more he venerated his own religion, and
wished it.to be venerated by others, the more would he
hold it up as the emblem of justice and peace to all.
(Cheers.) He agreed with those who thought that this
motion was brought forward at s most improper time. In
Ireland all was peace, tranqtiillity, and prosperity ; and
it was most unfortunate that they should raise this cause
of discord and animosity at sucn a period. Were the
motion carried, it would raise an issue more important
than was anticipated in Mr. Spooner's speech, and
would lead to dangers more serious than he imagined.
He talked of danger to the country and the throne ; but
the opponents of the motion were prepared to take the
responsibility of these measures which had been pursued
of late ytars with regard to Ireland, and which had
tended more than anything else to increase the loyalty
of the Irish people. By continuing to promote equal
laws, they would have to say of the Q.usen, that her
glory in peace and her strength in war was, that she
reigned in the hearts and spoke with the voice of a well- I
governed and united people. (Cheers.)
Mr. NAPIER wished to argue the question purely
as a political question. He refsrred to the original
ss as] shuient of Mavn, oth, and contended, on the auth,
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Mr. SPOONER then rose to move—" That this
house do resolve itself into a committee, for the purpose
of considering the Acts for the Endowment of the
College of Maynooth, with a view to the withdrawal of
any endowment out of the Consolidated Fund, due re-
gard being had to vested rights or interests." He
observed that he once more ventured to bring this
important question before the house. (Laughter.) He
thought that the time had now arrivei when the settle-
ment of this question was necessary to the safety of the
Crown, the integrity of the empire, and the happiness
of the people. The question had become one of deep
interest to the inhabitants of this country. He regarded
the endowment of Maynooth as a great national sin • and
he would assure the house that the doctrines inculcated'
at Maynooth, relative to the supremacy of the Pope,
were beginning to create a great feeling of jealousy in
France ; and he had it on reliable authority that a strong
feeling existed on the other side of the channel against
the ultramontane doctrines which the Pope was endea-
vouring to force on the people of that country. Going
next to the origin of the grant he observed
that it was a free gift by Parliament, and
contended that surely if Parliament was free to give
it was free to withdraw. On the 3d of April, 1845,
Sir Robert Peel said, " It is a measure, I trust, con-
ceived in the spirit to which I have referred—a liberal
and confiding spirit. We are not introducing it after
communication with the leading ecclesiastical authorities
of the Roman Catholic Church ; it has not been a sub-
ject of stipulation or of contract with them. We are
prepared in a liberal and confiding Spirit 'to improve the
institution, to elevate the character of the education sup-
plied. And by improvement I do not mean to imply
any such interference in the course of education as would
effect a total change, but that we should treat that in-
stitution in a generous spirit, in the hope that we shall
be met in a corresponding spirit, that we shall be repaid
for our liberality by ensuring a more liberal system of
instruction." That was a declare pion of that right hon.
t.e_ntleman who was the conceding party to the grant. '
lie (Mr. Spooner) asked every man who had held office
tinder her Majesty's Government since that grant was
made, or who had anything to do with elections in Ire-
land, how those expectations had been answered. Red
the eole,ltiews been fulfilled under which the grant was made
Tie contended that it had entirely failed, and that it had
hifog:hete,el.bout. wholly different results from those which
7.,.rii,,t.l:.hiceirpeated, under which circumstances the
had been one, would have at once
s3,3a,atar'ytitr ground. The noble lord at present the
question ote thlt c Colonies had been equally clear on this
not mean. to °intz'aFtc, • On April 3, 1845, he said, "I do
whether it tennat3 into the question of contract, or
denly, and declare thilcvian and prudent act to stop sud-
L, to educate the 13 •nest You will make no further advance
' of
the IWmax Catholic religion, I, 1

Mr. A. SAIIVH said he could not believe the Roman
Cathode Church \ ras so poor as had been pleaded, Pined it
was able to ere( ;t, in London and elsewhere, such ►mag-
nificent edifice*. He contended that the act of 1545
had not answer ed its purpose as a measure of concilia-
tion ; for the p apal aggression hail occurred since then ;
and the Roma: i Catholic clergy of Ireland had not be-
come more ma derate, or more friendly to the constitu-
tion.. He sup sorted Mr. Spooneed motion.
Mr. BLAN-1) would oppose both the motion and the
amendment. If he were to attack religious endowments
at all he would: level the first attack at the Established
Church. He. .defended Maynooth from the charges
brought agai.nat Its teaching, impugning the character

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tleman referred to several hulls issued at various times,
p irticnlarly to that " Ccena Domini," from whica he
argued the Pope's authority in opposition to the law.
It had been said that ail these caamis had been abro-
gated, hut still he found them all rlprinted in 1832.
By making these gr tuts they enabled the iirie•ts
in Ireland to carry out these canons, thus brining
them into collision with the lag, and rendering them
liable to punishment. It, had been argued by the right
how gentleman, the Secretavy for Ireland, that the
.tate dil not give Protestant money for the maintenance
of a Catholic institution, inasmuch as the money was
voted for a national of ject ; but that was clearly a
fallacy. The state policy was to get a domestic priest-
hood ; but the fact was, that the money granted had
been applied to the inculcation of ultramontane views
into the minds of the students. The grant of 30,0001.
a year was an insuit to the Roman Catholic clergy of
Ireland, and was no doub.:. regarded by them as a mere
sop to keep them quiet.
On the motion of Mr. O'BRIEN the debate was then
adjourned, and at the instance of Mr. SPOONER it was
adjourned to the Gth of June.