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London, England, 1855-12-14 00:00:00

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the, UAW' /...V4L teen ee, in tea early part of his life, EQ$
the opportunity of reaping the fruit, because he had th
opportunity of showing those great abilities be possessed,
All he wanted to see was a "fair field and no favour"
in all public departments, and especially considering tba
we were absorbing icemen- e sums of money, willingly
given out of the pockets of the tax-payers, ho trusted
this money would be expended in time to come with
more fairness, more equality, and more consistency, and
more cornferinably to the original intention in the fram-
ing of the army and nary. (Applause.) Having now
glanced at the war, he would point to two great conso-
lations that we had in connection with it. While the
loss of life had been immense, even on our side, and on
the French greater than ours, that of the Russians had
been almost incalculable. We had, however, the conso-
lation of a firm, and, he hoped, enduring friendship with
France. (Applause.) He thought is was a hopeful sign
that we who were called "ancient enemies " should !low
at last find out that it was our interest, and he believed
inclination, henceforth, to be firm and fast allies. Two
nations, such as France and England, struggling against
each other only made them the laughing-stook of Europe.
The people ot the Continent saw two ot the most power-
ful nations on the earth weakening each other, and only
exulted at their weakness. But when they were united
for a good purpose, they might almost guide Europe and
the world, and they would always be able to promote
the prosperity, happiness, and welfare of mankind.
(Applause.) He sincerely trusted that nothing would
ever be done by this country, as he believed there was
no intention on the part of France by the extraordi-
nary
clammaennt %'thhant
ap-
plause.) The otherconsolaticn was that which was known
gnoovwerneVisttehda,t
annadtitohna,ttothedyiswseovuelrdthgoe
as Administrative Reform. The offices of the Govern-
:cent had got too much into the hands of families—too
much in particular associations. Now, however, they were
a little departing from that. There was now, he wits
glad to say, a tendency to soften down these monopolies,
and ho trusted that tendency would extend further—
that in Church and State, and in all those services on
which the welfare of the nation so much depended that
greater equality and fairness would prevail, and that ad-
ministrative referm would be carried out fully and fairly.
(Applause.) With respect to the prospects of peace, he
was one of those who thought that we really ought to
teach Russia that her ambition must be kept down, and
that she could not with impunity give vent to those
angry and selfish pas-ions which guided her into this
war. (Applause ) must also get safe securities ;
and he trusted that we should accept none that were not
safe. (Applause) He knew there was no way of get-
ting a safe peace but by fighting for it. We must win
it by the sword when once the sword was drawn. (Ap-
plause.) If we could keep the sword in the scabbard it
would be a blessing, but after the sword was drawn, it
was he who could last the longest and could strike the
hardest who would get the best terms.. (Applause.) It
was just like two individual —if one man seized another
by the throat, and that person were thrown down to the
ground, he must defend himself or be crushed. There-
tore, we were fairly justified in having gone into the wnr
—we were justified in carrying on the war; but we
were not justified in carrying it on a single moment
longer than we could pr, cure honourable, safe, and up-
right terms of peace. (Applause.) lie trusted that day
was re,t far off, but if it were, he would as cheerfully as
any other man urge that we proceed with it. We must
expect taxes. It was wonderful how fast the money
flew. lie (Captain Scobell) knew something of the last
war, but he thought money had been flying at a most
extravagant rate. The House of Commons did not like
to pull up, for few that it should be sued, if any blunders
were made, that they would not !give the money, and
therefore the blunders be put on the representatives
of the people. (Applause.) The money was certainly
flying very fast. It had got up to 00,000,0001. last
year, including the interest of the debt ; this year it
might be something more. The result would be, of
c turse, that ultimately there would be some scrutiny
into the manner in which the money had been expended.
With respect to the transport service, nothing could have
been more extravagant. lie believed the transports had
been bought all of them over and over again. Those that
had been in the service from the beginning of the war had
been purchased by the money paid for the tonnage and
the hire of them. (Applauoe.) lie hoped this would be
looked into; but that no steps would be taken that
would curtail anything in carrying on the war with
effect, and that in future we should more effectually ex-
pend our money without at all crippling the public
service. _ _ _

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lauele) With respect to what bad fallen from him that
It:yr:ling, lie (sir. MaugloF) would observe that in some
of the points he entirely concurred with his bon. friend,
but with regard to others—if he might use the expres-
tsi m—he agreed with a difference. He cordially con-
icurred with him in expressing his sympathy for Turkey.
Be 'Cordially agreed in defending the little man who was
{struck by the big bully. It was alwsys wise to do right,
and it was right to stand up for justice in this world
against the strong and powerful wrong-doer. (Cheers.)
But his sympathy and the sympathy of the nation went
ileyond that. It was iinposeib:e—after reflecting upon
the enormous military resources of Russia, after seeing
how year after year that empire had enlarged itself, and
after witnessing her vast accumulation of military power
and strength in the Crimea—nut to arrive at the conclu-
sion that sooner or later the struggle must have come,
unless we were prepared to submit to Cossack and Tar-
tar domination. (dear, and cheers.) It would pro
bably have come in this generation, but, if not, cer
tainly it must hs6,o fallen with redoubled force upon our
Children. The military power of Russia appeared to
have been growing year after year in an accumulative
ratio, and if we had not, through Gad's providence' risen
up to oppose it, no man living could tell to what fearful
reeu:ta it might not have lad. (Cheers.) There I agree
with my bon. friend. Bat my hon. friend spt ke rather
Vaguely upon another point. Some one, he observed—
he eid not say who—but some one had said that this was
a war for the protection of Turkey ; and now they had
Changed their note and said it was a war for ci‘iliation.
e (Ar. Mangles) did not think that any marl who had
the slightest claim to the posit salon of comae)) sense
4vouhl wish that this country should go out as a scat of
knight-errant for the sake of civilisation, atteekag this
nation or defending that for the sake of carrying out an
abstract principle under the denomination of the pro-
gress of civilisation. But it was a very differ() it thing
to say it was for civilisation, meaning thereby that it
was a war for the sake of disputing the inroad of bar-
barism and the insults of a barbarous and despotic em-
pire. (Hear, and cheers.) In that sense a wer for the
advance of civilisation was a very proper war—(bear)—
and in that sense this war was a just and righteous war.
(Renewed cheers.) It was a war to press back—as he
hoped the allies would succeed in doing—to their forests,
their steppes, and their morasses these Tartars and Cos- ,
sacks who would otherwise trample down the civili,a-
tion, and, with that civilisation. the liberties of Europe
under their feet. (Loud cheers.) In that sense ha could
not agree with his hon. friend, fur he did not think that
the allies were justified in carrying on this war in de-
fence of civilisation against barbarism, and that the
cause they had in hand was a righteous one. (Hear.)
There was another point also in which he agreed with
his lion, friend, with a ditlerence. He beiieved with
him, that the Emperor of the French was truly and
sincerely desirous of peace ; but did not they all de-
sire peace ? Ile believed that every Eng ishman of
intelligence and humanity, not only in that room but
in the country at large, was desirous of Vence. But
what sort of a peace did the Emperor of „the French
deslre ? Why the description of peace at which we
were all aiming--a peace which promised to be a lasting
one—(cheers)—a peace, in fact, which should bind the
Emperor of Russia to keep the peace. (Renewed cheer-
ing.) Not such a peace as would last for a few weeks or
mouths, or even for a year or two, and then that the
nations should have to go to war again. No person could
deprecate the horrors of war more than he did ; no per-
son was more anxious to stop the effusion of blood and
the expenditure of treasure, which tended to exhaust the
very life and sinews of a country ; but it was for that
very reason that he should wish to see such steps taken
as should effectually secure the country from the recur-
rencepwel aptl
et he
,v
apne
toepdl e
ww
haat,
at the
Glle ov(eNrlnrx.nent w Mangles)e believed
relooL.in he
looking fur
ft,,r,
of suck scenes. His hon. friend desired to know
and what all men, he was sure, most ardently desired, an
honourable and lasting peace—a peace of such a charac-
ter that it should be worthy of the name—and not one
that in a short time would turn out a mockery, a delu-
sion, and a snare. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman then
proceeded to direct his attention exclusively to agricul-
tural matters, upon which he spoke at some length, and
concluded by expressing his thanks for the honour they
had done him.
Several other toasts of a local character followed, and
the prizes to the successful candidates having been
awarded the meeting separated.

Mr. TITE having alluded to the advantages which ag-
riculture derived from associations such as that which
he was addressing, said he would refer to the war.
(Applause.) The whole mind and feeling of England was
embarked, he believed, in this question. It was a war
which appeared to him one of the holiest, he was going
to say, in which we bad ev,r embarked. We went into
it with no purpose of getting au increase of our glory or
aggrandisement, or to add to our land or territories ;
but we went into it to succour the weak against the
attack of the strong. (Applause.) If that were the right
view of the question, surely we had a right to expect
that the blessing of God would, sooner or later, rest
upon it. (Applause.) A war in which we bad embarked
with such views was not a war of a common hind, and
though war was certainly one of the greatest trials that
a nation could be visited with, yet, at the same time, be
could scarcely conceive a war, associated as we were with
our great ally, France, in which we could embark with
more credit to ourselves, and out of which we could come
with more credit as a nation. (Applause.) As to the pros
/Teets of peace, lee confessed they appeared to his wind
not to be very flattering. Hedoubted anything that cause
from Austria ; she could hardly be sincere now any more
than she was sincere twelve months ago. If she had
been sincere then, the war might soon have been put an
end to. However that might be (aid his earnest aspira-
tion was that it might turn out to be true), he trusted
that, if they lived to meet another year io Bath, they
might see this terrible war at an end, and be once again
living in peace, beating their swords into ploughshares.
(Applause.) He hoped this might be so, but ho very
uhisulic du
ph
eoopl
eb thed adi t.
do n
eNN('
al n a
(and as
snationspokedoouutti at st
the
heepEne
opgl
of Bath would speak out), it was the duty of the Legis-
lature, as leading the people, to carry out the war firmly,
honestly, and honourably, and to seek a peace that would
be lasting, that we and our children might never again
have to contemplate the horrors we had had to think of,
nor meet the difficulties that we had had to contend
with. It could only be taking a far bolder attitude than
we took at the beginning of this war. (Applause.) If
we had done that we should not have had the war in
existence to-day. Let the terms of peace be such as
Englishmen might not be ashamed of. It had often been
said that England always lost by diplomacy what she
gained by valour. lie hoped the time would come when
that reproach would be removed from us, and that our
present Government would not patch up a peace leading
to difficulty and confusion hereafter, when we might
have to open the question again without the allies we
at present boasted of, and without the feeling of the pea
ple, and the great cause we now had to support us. His
tsiend (Capt. Scobell) had suggested the filling up of the
never
sheeern
harbour of Sebastopol. He should like to see it. There
sathdhavareter
ottefhdteht
eot
costme e
w. had
was
hdewhhwe
eaanrrellaopf(
peace
ahpceepfloawuuars
sep. points,
was one point about the testae of peace which he had
but he wished to know why Russia should not be made
recollectedto pay
with France, and when she was, unhappily, humbled at
the end of the great war, that she was called upon to
pay her millions towards the war in which we had then
embarked. He recollected, again, the Chinese war (in
reference to which he was not sure that we were as mo-
rally right as in the present) when that peopteellwheirme
called upon to pay millions, and would any one
be called upon to pay her mile
why Russia should not Quixotic, it might
lions also It might be that this was d
be that we should be asking too much, bititt appear
11
to him that that was the mode
.(po it ca y speak-
)mailded
must make Russia feel. Her
ing) by which we
herself by pressure on her
ag-
grandisement must recoil on
finances.
With respect to the question of Administra-
tive Reform, he believed that a great deal of good had
been done by the discussion of that subject. The lull
discussion by a nation of any wrong or grievance was
good and useful to that country, especially a nation
such as this, where every man had the power to make
his grievance heard, and where, through the freedom of
our institutions, men could make those grievances beard
and listened to. In conclusion, Mr. Tire observed that
he hoped it would be his happiness at the end of the
next year (whether he was their member or not) to meet
them again, and congratulate them on cultivating the
arts of peace, instead of having to think of the horrors
of war. (Loud applause.)

THE WEATHER ..4T KERTCH.

A nl entetie, ro g
afryem:
_,, Kertch
The ofw the l i
nd has 5h . 16th
eunl t .b,
lion t w
inla e
blowing
heor3vi eiti
yi-
t u t
from the eastward for the last 4 days, and has i
goree 119 A
sudden transition from summer to winter. We have not,
however, been taken by surprise. All the French troops
encamped at Wit. Paul are well sheltered, but at Ye
Ilh4ile
This,
the tents have notyet been rrplaced by wooden hlte_; long,
however, is an inconveniences which will not j"
preparations having been already made t 9 obviate it.
_
There is nothing new from the Sea of
not yet heard of any casualties from theA
it is to be feared that many
vessels in that sea
taken place in the French
The Caton and the Fultbouveetel,
been replaced by a bons
formidable mortars Are
r_
the Russian campuna,
of our heaviest gs
monster mortiair
be disagreea )3:
projectiles of this late wife', but
Austrian merchant
vessels of war on this station
eee left the Sea of Azoff and
the Sesostris. Her two
visit from some of the
Yenitche, which is out of the reach
but whi,h will not be CO with the
of the Sesostris. The enemy will soon
vessel, none of which have been used
world. The this part of the
surpiiislledhabvynefa
in
nesh movement in the eastern part of the Crimea. At
Kertch the town is closed by means of barricades placed
at the extremities of the streets leading into the open
country, and the western part of the place, which is open
about toBtuilbffeeerberdo.
to invasion, is about to be strongly fortified. A report is
current here that the Russians intend during the winter
making an attempt to recover their communications with
the coact of Asia, It is somewhat doubtful whether they
will will hazard any attack against St. Paul, the app r• Oraeertic _5,
to which have been rendered impregnable by there Fake
ab
but I think it not improbable that they Y
roape to have
attempt against Kertch, where they
iruca,,Y„tiegent. The
easier work against the Anglo-Turkish
that place en-
object of the Russians would be tax destroy
having done before
tirely, which they much regret \
they abandoned it.
is a grand depot for provisioneceepie _
gar-
risoned
at present, although t
considered that Kertch
When
iteisit is not sufficiently s
coLtingeu . u gAll t chancet play h 0",
d by some regular
troops, and the famous