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truntly, that it was their Lordships' duty to do they were now, celled upon to hear Counsel mareiott
equal and impartial justice to the Isighest as well as a ineueore which o y exist
only eiitrd in tlicentice gi
t :se lowest, and to give nu advantage to the oar more respecting it by a Noble Lord to lets Awe P ven
ar.
than they could concede to the other, to have no lament.: Such • step directly militated spinet
course for the. one inconsistent with that whieh the the rights and pitvilegrs of their Lordships. This
hearf-traf re,:•"tlis; Utiier.."-tie--WertrTa4 atitit”dirkiniiff Stinitirditfeeed hems the Lower I louse. in this re.
Rithemibe.•• tia-finnet still, however, be prelim. sowct, that their Lordships were wider no titres.
aced too tooter that ..tlieputelsout _the proceedings lily to move for leave to bring in a ;it was
hitherto iDstiinted tlie g4est ertittpetetit for ifq Peer Orbnee to bring in Bill.
Pectibarify prevailed.' She by their How
hethear n • coulwd !
Oagaiw), in any Cnst the eaeroecis of ouhigtithe.h air
Lnegiships' Rine, ' anti by 'the !Renege 'from low, Choe
the •Cro wu, wheidy -arraigned at the -bar of I rent right in it Peer?—(t/awn.)
the *piddle. Wird there not, he asked,' pecoliar i [Lord DOCIIC--*. That is not the object of the
ciethressitinees in tree iitdetion, highly 'dfteiving hf Pettiton."]
-theft •Ttieir lardsHipa taught •He contended that ill effect it was. In giving
melees tto tiike'eare difheolt raer,•thativilN • this 'opinion he spoke in behaff of their Lord-
'af the'same tinier they were unwrlfilig to allow het privileges. and without reference in this per-
Itiojeity any advantage inconsistent with the prifw tieular case. He should indeed. 'he ashamed of
ciptie of even-handed justice, they should not ex. himself if he could not dismiss from-his mind every
parer'her to an undue portion of prejudice, arisorg thing which he Wel beard previonity reipecting this
our of the course they adopted in this unhappy ease when he came to consider it judiciously. Ile
' transaction.--(fiefre, hear.)—Let their Lordships would put a case against what had been said on the
see'how her Majeity stood. its this case, re cont. subject of influence. Suppose a man stands before
pared with any other individual pot upon trial iii a Jury confessing his guilt, and is afterwards
the etvilized word.—(Near, hear, hear.J—ln the red a witness fur the Crown, and that he then does
first place, neither their Lordships nor her Majesty sot give the full and frank account he before gave,
were as yet acquainted; except in vague and ge. Con that then cot be put upon his trial notvrithstanst
mirel • term., of the scope of the intended Bill, log what previously passed? lie certainly cannot to
lie
:would fur orpiment sake suppose that it was in. but
edi without the proof required by the law;
tended to be a Bill to dissolve the subsisting mar. but still the Jury are called upon to reject from
thigi between the King 'and Queen. This step their minds what they had previously heard of the
thetthas to be taken without. in the first instalice, man'. ConoiCtion. 11 Juries con do this, which was
hetring airy person on the Qtren's behalf in de. so often seen, why may not he as a Peer in Pattie.
feriae of her character and rights. Though this was melt do it ? shnitld take care, on this occasion,
perhaps to 'be done in her Majesty's case, it could to preserve, so far as he was concerned, tlie functions
noir, their Lordships knew, be done its the case of anal privileges of Parliament. The moment the Bill
the meanest subject of the land, unless with a pre„ came before them, Biro, but not till then, could the
V•ints peoceeding in the Ecclesiastical or Common I question of hearing Counsel haw. As the case now
Lew Court* bethw. The consequence-of this pre. stood, the proposition made in the Petition was the
Sams course wis, that the stewed party knew all I . most extravagant one ever made to Parliament.—
the charges 'Adored in support of the pending rues. (Hear, hear.)
nire, as well as the details of evidence urged in its The Marquis of I'AMIDOWN said, that almost
d in- the whole of the emba Mem no* felt arose from
support. Of all that •previnus knowledge an
quail her Majesty was deprived by the course put. the mode of proceeding' which haul been adopted.
sued in her case. She halt also the disadvantage of AP the application to hear Counsel the other day,
appearing after • Committee of their Lordships had was oilmitted, he could not see how in the present
reported that there were documents. supported by instance it could be refused. It was the
that it
a variety of etidence, which cliaTed her with ass would have the effect of arrestiog the progress of a
adulterous ititercourse, with being guilty of a measure as yet not regularly developed. if that it-go-
lfing coarse dr licentious conduct, which called for mint had any weight, it must have been on a for-
the most solemn infinity. Was it not natural that m
ew oecassion. whets it was not acted upon ;fur
the Queen, Iltitlihg. herself so placed, should then the. Secret Committee had- been appoint.
he anxious to counteract the prejudtce thus raised ed, but had not sat. It was said that the Queen
against her ? But the Noble Earl opposite had had t.o niessis of •
being informed of the pro-
suited, " How could the Queen have any know. ceilings pending
they admitted she Us that House ;
was in how
ftorm h
en
ledge of' this prdceeding'?" To that interrogatory did it happen that
his Noble Friend near him (Lord Dacia) had given i i i
the former instance For this admission
raced in thher
ey
most satisfactory answer ; addition to that, he clearly made when they then acqui
woold beg lease to remind their Lordships what Majesty's application conveyed in these words,
hart been their own 'course of proceeding in this I " the Queen having beets 'Dionne& that proceed-
business. Had they not already, on the Petition of i togs are to be instituted in the House of
her Alsjesty; heard Counsel against the sitting of i Lord., feels it necessary to approach you*
the Secret' ennstwittee, when, in point of fact, there Lordships us a petilienter," &e. As no forms
Waallil proceeding at the time before their Lordship. ! were then technically interposed. he was at a
'rhey had not then tethered to techuical formalities, loss to are hew' -they could he staved now.
why should they now ? She had no more know. Her Majesty dike 'not at present eleint to he
• ledge theta of the intended coarse of
.proceeding I Ward igitiviat the Bill: but she cOMPlained against
than she had now: • lie Coofeesed that when Counsel t it 'Repent which had been' aside, Mut claimed
nos
had been heard on thi' fdtmer occasion, he felt that to be heard in her defeat* against the allegations
touch inconvenience' might Oise from the adoption contained in that Report, 'whit* ems professedly M-
il .nch a comae-of proceeding. in the state , tended as the remind-wilt& of further inquiry.
which the question then stood ; but though not She claimed to be heird• in the present stage of
struck with the propriety of that course, lie was f their proceedings, soil hr should recommend coin-
riowilling to object to it at the time, anal he had libellee with her Majesty's request. He said this
acquiesced rather that approved of it, considering ; in ►perfect and total ',gummier of the mesons which
rofessed herself
the situation in which her Majesty was placed. If i her Majesty, in' lieu Petitioo. p
that proceeding was at the time to which he *Mud. ; mexiou. tore urge.
Those reaaons might possibly be
ed not objected to, nod not objectionable, law 1. weighty, peetingthe hounexion between tie case
much stronger then in comparison were sot the I ar It tiled sirutl. and the lothoequent loweedittiCe
g ttttt lids on which the present claim made by ! Tbia was the first tune in which
her Majesty were founded ?—(1leor, hear, hear.)— her Majesty had been pot iii poweesion of •
The Noble Earl states that he objects to lacer ispecific allegation. If the !louse had alreedy
Counsel now against the Report of the Secret Coin- broken through all these rules us a case in which
-metre, and that Counsel cannot be 'ward against • 1 IWytind all comparison they might tai have
B:11 which es yet has no parliamentary existence ; adhiired to. it use 'Wetly not right to stand
trout, in point'of fact, the Report of the Secret upon the point of loran turn. They ought not
Committee forms a. yet tin part of their Lordships' to do so on this oecifiion. lest hereafter. in the
• nroceedingt ; that it is only NO initiative, of which ergot of prajtattici being excited ageinst her Majes-
theVueen can hate no knowledge. It has heen ty; she should have 'an opportunity of turning
won stated that this charge affects her cher-a:ter, round and stating that that prejudice would nut
hate idierests. rerhaps her life, and she now states have existed if they had acceded to the prayer of
that she has weighty matter to urge in her defence, that Petition. She wife mititleafto every privilege
which' it is material shoold now be heard. Coiui. t 'which justice would extend to the husublen pennon
dereng. therefore, the situation in which the (lure' I in the state. He entreated the Howse seriously to
Is !Meet., sod the deep itttereet mom the qiiestion consider oil this cuwasism, whwther it would not be
which now agitates the public mood—aii agitation bitter' to accede to the prayer or the Petition. than
•to which. however, he did not :diode with an inn- by rejecting to appear to deprive her Majesty of any
plover view on this delicate unhappy travisactioe, ottyalitier which taw thought essential to her own
lie thought their Lordships ought Dot to be too casse.,..-(.ifeeff. hedge)
• Mee •in pressing forward technical forms to such Lord HOLLairki said, that the terms of her Ma-
ad appticetion as this, and more particularly in a jerey's Petition had been entirely mistaken. Iler
•oisie in which it had been on all sides agreed there 'object- in 'presenting it was of two Itiods--first. as
were misfires.' forma or precedents entirely analogions against the Itiport on their Lordship.. tabk—and
to guide their course. This case weir without pre. eeettitilty; *tilting that she had certainly great and
cedesat or land-mark. the lodination of his mind r weight; reasons to adduce against other 'tarts of the
W. 0.4; therefore, wittnint armor:on! to purse the opia. I proceeding. lie was ready to ortanit the Petition
stop too far, to accede to her Nlaja sty's request ih .abbe of a Very extraordinary 'store; but •were not
lola cave. Hr was noxious in this ease that their .theirLordeltipa altogether tes(reeting this bateau**,
Lordship, should carry public opinion onto throw, ..placedin extraordinary situation ? When they
'rimy ought particularly to do so in a case confessi. spoke of the forms and functions of the House, did
edly itivolved in im nittch difficulty aid embartawis • 'the Noble Lords opposite mean to say am
ment, and %Oleic her :Majesty asserts that she has its this busitiers. they had proveeded according
to
weighty mailer to allege, which it was material top those forina;;or had they nut rather altogether Own.
• her future defence alionld be now heard.—(/tear.) gated theist ? lie has very well hwarr. that or-
The Lams Itsca.i.hou sold, it was tint his cording to the tiara of Parliament clothing which
• interition to have trouhleal their Lordships during bad ocbiarred in that Houseought to he moldered
ti,.. must distressing subject, last in have sat dose 1 as bring known out of it ; hut if that role were et.
a patient &meter' of whet was passing. and, part,. I godly observed, in what stale Would it not plecithe
colarly, determined taut to have his mind judier. t licensed ? Let them look, for toistance.to the only
why- afficted staring the progress of these charges by case rhich bore any thing like an ithelogy to the
what lie might have heard under any other prepetil proceeding, inituale, the commesicensent of
,staircee. He had hroril a gr`eat deal of Secret an impeachment elsewhere. If information re.
Catermitterg, and read IMO more eilsoul them or late. sprining that sere not *uplifted to transpire: how
ile thotild'ooly say upon' that subject, that upon could the party be enabled to petition ag Mist
the-most mature reflection lie was now prepared to it, as was freqUetilly to be the case ! Were
say, that had theii Lordships not adopted the not charges awn made in their
COWS! which they had taken in this business, they House whieli were stopped in their progress On rae.
.0604'0/a hare acted in the Hamner which. lie I room of thew najustoce ? flail not Lord Bristol
Monti% tenime them. in the etiolation in which ()lice laid a charge tau their table, proceeding. Into
theyrwtte ploced.—.(ilear, hear, hear. ).—W whirl's were iestnialy stopped be the House. mid an
teepert to the Petition which. had liveti just end put to tile nivestigatiou ? When they talked Of
reloaded from her *Majesty, ell he should say adhering to precedents, he would ask. whew would
wi4, ithat itv-prgyer ealiml•tij 'bent for nothing they dad a precedent for laying a criminal char?
let* than a surrender of the *hole coostitution of of this kind on their table its the manner that this lied
Partnimenn Its tin fi tat place. it was not rompe- been. laid ? Ile-would sumer their viviestions about
wise as yet' for stay pinion to say to •wlist the Re- precedent' when they hae-atiewered-
bile. 'rlirir
pore' eta 'their Lordships table Would lead. He proceedings now had•eommetteed by a Secret Cone.
'ki bd glad ate. lame ohm; iu the history of insure; • they' had • bees' Conducted' iii-etuonort
theMa proceed:up of Parhatneut, they had beet' as altogether auotaalous. %Vim the Noble Lord

law—and when that donbt was strongly itwl eons
elusively Gilt by swell high authority as the Noble
Lord on the Woolsack, and fry 'another Noble
Lord (.e believe Lord Erskinet who had also
pined that high otfiee, after having held for a
long time a high rank in the practice of the Crimi-
nal Courts of roupitry---atien such doubts
were hell, would it have been proper for In. Me.
jr,ty's Ministersto twee 'seieetril I'or such et this
the course of tin iinkaelinient ? WieUld it have
been proper fin then' to -have selected a mode
of pror;reiling *bleb may fall in its proxies's. till
',Town or-the iteterpoestion of a legal techni-
cality? That 'bring the' case, he saw nu course
whiCh their Lord;lii4ss could suitably hdopt, except
a Bin of Pains and Tim consideration,
as lie had said before, then rose, by which House of
Parliament ought the proceeding to. originate. Uri,
der sll the cireumstafices of the case, he thought
• advisable the Bill should be introduced , before
their Lordships, us their Orlicial habits and forms
would enable them to proceed more effectually
iii the progress of the inquiry. (Hear. hear. I
There war another circumstance which particularly
frointed'out that thir measure should originate with
iheietortiships. Though this subject did not come
ti-fore them exactly iii the stature of a divorce
between the King and the Queen, but roller se sit
inquiry more iesraeiliatrly affecting her Majesty in
her rank and capacity as a Queen, yet still it did
relate to some degree to the marriage contract at
present subsisting between the King and Qpresi ;
for the allegatious being once proved as set forth
in the preamble, the dissolution of the nistriage
rini-t be the inevitable consequence. The
Nolrre
Earl then defended the course pursited on this•oio-
fell case by the Executive Goverionent.iiid eelAsiis
ed the justification he put forth on "'former usgb.t,
which was, that in a case of such extreme import-
atter to the dignity of the Crown and interest* of
the country. end where the illustrious rank of. the
party was considered. the necessity of the inquiry
origin riot constitutionally to be permitted to
rest on the respusisibility of Miiiiotios, without
en intermediate investigetion satectioned, by the
nothority of Parliament. It was said that the
Itsport of the Secret Committer had the 'effect of
prejudicing the case of the seemed. He was ready
to affintt that there was no form in the administration
of justice framed for the safeguard of the subject,
that did riot in certain cases operate with some de-
gree of prejudice. This consequence unavoidably
arose not of the stature of the proceeding, and must
be t.: k en as the lesser evil to which openly must sub:.
snit. As to the Bill which lie meant to introduce,
the preamble would state, with as much particula-
rity as the Wore of the offence admitted, the apes
cilic charge. It would then, proceeding on the aso
somption that that charge were substantiated before
their Lordships in evidence, go to deprive her Ma-
jesty of her rank and title as Queen, and cons
clink with dissolving her marriage with the King.
There were Ito isenul consequences over and above
whin lie had mentioned included in this Bill.
With the exception of the degradation of the Queen
from her rank, and the dissolution of her mar-
riage. should the alleged crime be substantiated
vomit her. it was not iiiteridell to bear inure severely
on the individual thou the case actually called for.
The chargmicomaitied is. the preambk were then
to be gone thin, and if the House should be insur-
ed by the evidence of the correctors% of these charges,
their Lordships would go on to the second reading.
Ile trusted that their Lordships would discharge
their duty as they had done on every other occasion
wherein they had been called to exercise their ju-
dicial character, so as to secure, as they well dewy-
the respect and confidence of the country. He
would then propose that the Bill should be read a
first time; after which he would move, must re-
spectfully, that copies of. the Bill, when printed,
should be delivered to her Majesty the Queen.
Then their Lordships would be able to postpone
the second reading until the Queen should be con-
sulted as to the period in which she would prefer
that the Bill about(' proceed. It was a matter of
indifference to him. If she wished it, the second
trailing might he delayed, as well at intermediate
proceedings, until her Majesty's Counsel were 'ready
to go into her defence; otherwise, if It was her
wish to !proceed forthwith, it would be for their
Lordships unix an early day. lie would propose
that day fortnight; iii the mean time 1w would pro-
pose next Friday or Monday for further proceed-
ings of an intermediate nature. Their Lordships
had a painful and distressing duty to discharge;
sioce his Majesty had intrusted the +administration
of the Executive Government to his present ser-
vants, he (Lord Liverpool) had not been called on
to perform any duty so painful and distressing to
his awn mind and feelings. Their Lordships must
endeavour, notwitlistunding, to discharge that duty
with tirinneis and resolution, but with the utmost
possible lenity and mildness to the illustrious ac-
cused at the sirtne time. It had been said, mud it
was highly satisfactory that it could be said with
truth, that there were no precedentshof such cases
on the Journals. For a period of two hundred
years, with one exception, wherein the party had
never come to this country, there had been no Queen
of England against whom event whisper of alteme
had been heard or circulated. For the last sixty,
years what benefits and advantages had been derived
from the example of England's Qifeen, by whom
the morals of the country had been so powerfully
protected. The only case of a contrary nature which
had been known to the British Court for two. cen-
turies. was that to which lie had alluded. which
was the Case or one who had never resided in this
einintry. If the charges which were to be advanced.
should, after being proved, 'fail to convince their
Lordships of the necessity fur proceeding with this
measure, it would not he' only the impunity of
'but the triuntpli a guilt. They had a
straight forward course to !wow, from which they
were not to be deterred. they ought nut to be
driven by the effects of :prejudice or popular cha-
r. He then moved that 'a Bill of Pains and
Penalties for depriving' Cid-ohne Quern of Eng-
land of bur rights, ptivileges, and prerogatives,
should be read a first tisde.
The preamble, which, was read, set forth. that
whereas in 1814, Caroline, then Princessof Wales,
and now Queen Consort of England. engaged in
her service, in it menial sittiotiorr, retch as he bad'
before filled, one • Bartholomew, or Ilartylomeo".
Bergson, wild that she did afierward's raise the said
Bergeron into her confidence, and not only gave
him a situation of dignity iu her houseltokli but

near him (Lord Elkoborough) talked of riesling
not equal justice to the highest and to the lowest,
dot he mean to say that their Lordships would bate
ventured to proceed against the lower' in the land
he the process of II Secret Committee, by a formal
Mermige from the Crown, deingrattnir the *reused ?_
%Viten the Noble Lord talked of equal justice, he
would ask him was there any part of this wit Ile pro.
reelltsig cosidtrited in the natural (-norm of law ?
erer the forms of' lairi talked of in this
case ? not' the4ritry assumed fact Or the fir-
rainy of a legislative proceeding enough in itself
to Phew that the Mfiriser's of it thought this 'Mt
extraordinary case. to 'irltich the forms and prece-
dents of law were by them considered in applicable ?
Away then with this stickling for the technicalities
of 1.14' when 'the Mature of the case sheared that it
Is ettlSrlitl la*, without fotm, and Without power-
dent; k'easiiife'llie Proceedings upon it ! If he ap-
proved of. thou inquiry so strongly as lie distils.
proved grit, lie would still say, that to a case so
anonslibus, it .W:411 wiong to fetter dove* the ac-
cused td Orditiary rates, while their Lordships them-
selves pinCeeded Ot;on rule. extraordinary. As hype
orgoment that nothitsg could as yet be known else.
where of I heir proceeding., and th it they mart
therefore he considered as still confined to their
Walls, be would out waste his time in repelling, it.
Such an srguinent was not worth powder and shot.
—(4 laugh, and Ilear.}l&-They may call it a fool-
demential and an established privilege, foist their
designation would be idle, so long as the principle
of it was palpably unjust. A right of use merely
to one party and an injury to another was.substaii-
tially unjust, and ought to be disregarded. %Vati.
respect so what the Noble mod Learned Lord had
said of the judicial impartiality with which he would
come to the consideration of this case, he gave
hint full credit for his assertion, bat he 'could
not are the application or the case riot by
the
Noble Lord of a man ' bring subjected to a
trial, after having, as a witness in another cause,
confessed himself guilty. There the prejudice,
if any, might be easily discarded, because unborly
ever dreamed that the same Jury ihnold try the
man whirls had previously heard and diarrgerded
lira testimoily. N‘'itli respect to the Report of she
Committee, of which it was said the accused could
have hail no cogniz .ace, it was enough to say that
it existed, mid contsined a charge of a woos( beriOUS
torture, founded moms documentary evidence, on.
attrintruvied• by tient ewe • testimony. That Ite-
port-recomineisiled ■ fegiilative procrediug; Maw
&soy facts could be -hewn in the present stage. of
their 'Proceeding which might quash the inquiry
ahogettter. or alter the intended mode of coo.
&tiding" it, 'ought not an opportunity be allow.
cif for their advaiissiou Ilut it was Said that
this would create a bad precedent. Ile de-
nied. that, strictly ,peeking, there could be
any precedent acted up in Bills of Pains
and Penalties. all •of winch most depend se-
verally upon the valirfiry of their specific grounds.
if tto Wet Were do'obifiii, and they were about to
institute au extrattrilmory peor;rreditig. hi thought
the Orkin coots, wroth, be to err upon the side-of
isidulgence,—( AM.)
The Marquis of Becitemusu mid. that this
was not so much a question of the strict implicit-
firm of precedevit. lII* usaisstrustwe of
the very essence of their institution ss a House of
Parliament. Between the present application to
hear Counsel and the last, which they had admitted,
there was this difference—on the (-miner occasion a
proceeding was pending, fur the Secret Committee
had been appoisited, though it had not then sat,
and there wawa immobility that arguments might be
offered that would prevent their sitting. What
was the case now ? The Committee had made its
Report, and a Noble Earl laud given notice of a
Bill founded thereon. The Bill not being yet in-
troduced, situ proceeding was before the House
against which Colmar! could be heard. (Gaul for-
bid that the Queen should not have every proper
opportonity afforded to lier•of vindicating her cha-
racter! hut this was tint the time. mid mode of t
joy ing tiipt indulaence.
'flue Earl of DAIL% IA contended. that there ex.
isied no analogy between the prerent case and the
practice of Parlititteot iu ordinary matters and UL
former times. Windil to Coll, that this case had
never come before their Lordships, or had hero re-
ferred to a S.-v.. 4 Committlee.—vi Committee on
which the eye+ of the country had been fixed. Ile
entreated the House to prime before they rejected a
request sinitlar to one which they bail previously
admitted.. As ire apprehended slim too motion had
been mode sitar that which proposed that the •Pe.
titiori shriteld 'fie nut dye-table, he' was inclined to
Moir, if his Noble Frienk dial not, that the Coati.
otel be called in. •
Lord Uacrte restated the- object of her Majes-
ty's rebury's. and moved thsittolosel should lie
called in.
The question was put froM the Woolsack, and
negatived viol t a divi.loo.
T.be Earl rs 6 LlVitmepoL thin, ruse to submit to
their Lordships the Bill or which lie had given no-
tice. In doing so. liC watt convineed Ise would best
consult his own feelings • as well as those of their
Lordships, by alistsfitiritg •at the paeseilt moment
Troia entering into any ulyfeil of the important mat-
ter to which this gilt had reference. The preamhle
would speak for itself. said develope that charge,
the allegations of which it would be the duty of
Ifwie 'oflibilly'eMployed MI the occasion to prove
by evidesice belbre. their Lordships. Coder there
eireurostences, most deeply would he regret if auy
thing which should twiir before their Lordships
its the early. kluge of thii 'proceriting should
create any undue prejudice. either its th%ir Loyd-
'Novi' or the public I. Some prejudice was
perhaps the unavoitiohle consequence of an ac-
cusation, of this kind, but it was the unavuid.
Mlle attendant upon such proraerdiugs. Ile did
not mean to revive hummer topics of discussion,
hut he would worm, that. upon, retracing and re-
considerilig every thing a bids had been done, he
agreed •sviiti hie Noble and Learned Friend, that
no oilier course was mom for their adoption, under'
the whole of the painful ciresienstances of the dale,
except thM which they lard adopted. lie had uti ai
former Hight argued the propriety of instituting in
impeachment rather thou a Bill like the present;
but he was Mill of opintoo, that when a doubt was
cast upon the legality of such privcreding in this
particular case. oft account of the circumstances of
the crinvinality not bruit • that which could be
established in the manner required by the common

entered into a mo-vt unbecoming and thiigracefol
intimacy *Oh him, surf that .he besides arquired
for him from the 11) r i ((( .es of EltrUpe orders of
kilightlinoil, and bestowed on will an miler of
kniglithood created by berrelf, and fur whirl; vlir
had tin sufficient warrant or authority ; aral ric.i
whereas forgetful ..f the rimy .tri welt vhe oved to toe
King and the State, she c Isicle4l
iii sottbrirTiortifitriisie• in veni i place*, and •t
ditlereitt"tinieit, 'with the mina tertreiesse end Olen.
give .it freedom, arid' entered noir
disgraceful, 0111 r mid tilirrosis
wills the aforeosiiil ; literature, to evince their reg. rid
fur the I sss ; s our of the Cron', their Lordvhipa pr.rv-
that it may be enacted [torn soul after the
of the Act, &c. ; then follow the pen:dire.. oiro•
are the deprivation of the vtyle and title ui 4 r s
of these realms., mid of all right'', privilege.; pie.
ruptures, exemptionv, and immunities, v be.
bulging to her as Queen Consort, and flirt she shall
mod may be, from mud after the 'revving of this Act,
for ever &prated from, and be utterly iirc•pabtr
of, exercising or enjoying the swine, mud that the
acid marriege between his Majesty the King Gird
the Queen be, and the .stns is hereby wholly Jul
solved and annulled, to all entente arid purpose..
The Earl of LIVW4,IOI. moved that the Bill
should be printed, and copies of it delivered to the
Quern.

Earl GREY wished to know if any oilier sort of
1111 l nunication were to be made to the Queen ? Ile
put it to the Noble Lord whether tile same liirurßia-
lloll ought hot to accompany the Bill, to riot out
to her Majesty the particular occasions said cocunt.
stances which were alluded to. The preamble did
not state thins with a sufAcietit degree of certainty
to enable her Majeity to know in what way she
ought to pieparg to rei;el thesis. He wished to
!wow also if a list. of witnesses were to be given to
her legal advisers.
The Ear,' or Lill**POOL thnagVt that it would
be time enough bn the second. reading to discuss
chic nuitteis reTeired to. ite had 1,0 delliculty
stating, that the.spectication of preamble w3s
clear, and particular enough for all lair purposes ul
defence:" At to giving the .irectised a list of wit-
nesses, it was wholly imprecedented in parliamen
tory proc'e:dniga, whether of impeachment, or on a
Bill of hains and Penalties, and WWI never allowed
!Yell in criminal judicature, except in the single case
of high %rearm,. tier Majesty would he allowed
her choice, as to whether the accusation should
be proceeded in, or he Maid. ui the tilel place,
until Ilse defence was reidy,. This was an ad-
vantage which could not upperians to any other
course of proceeding, sad did away every litritivaltle
ground for requiring that the hit of witnesses
shou/d• be produced before they were examined.
Lord Wens. was unwilling to trespass on the
time of the House, but /w felt it isecessary to
move that the Counsel should now be heard sin
behalf of the Queen, that their might be enabled
to state those weighty circumstances alluded to in
the Petition. Ile did it 016 iirlortnotion received
very recently. He snored that the Couovel should
be called Isis

Lord LIVERPOOL. thought it would he better to
put it off till to-inurrow, when it could be done
without any irregularity, mid at which time he
would not attempt to oppose it.
Earl GREY thought it would he improper that
the accusation should go Girth for souse months,
before thedefencecOufd be produced. The whole
proceedings ought to be postponed until the Queen
should.be: rwly, and the accusation mid dafeuce
should immediately follow. As to the clearness of
speciticatiiiii in the preamble, lie must monad the
Noble Lord opposite, that in all such proceedings
'llitsfactsWere au proved before the accused, that
full knowledge might be had of the nature of the
eeidence; and the charectir of the witness. He
thought there: would fie something anomalous in
the part which the Attorney-Geurral would be call-
ed Oft to act, having to coudoct the prosecution
by direction of.that House, when he would after-
wards have to decide on the Bill as a Number of
the House uf,Cowmons.

Lord LIVERPOOL Paid, that the proper course_
was to direct the Attorney-7 General either to pro-
ceed]; oy to,.64mreouniel to proceed iodated of him-
self.
Burl Gum, did not amateur in the propriety of
the course to be pursued. Pt was necessary not
only that petfea, justice'shoold be done, but that
the cond4ry Should be satisfied of the propriety of
the course adopted.
Lord LIVERPOOL defended the justice of the
course raged, whirr) was strictly according to
prectd,ent, apd calculated to determine in the
most egriNabLe way the issue joined between the
parties.
Earl Quit said. his only anxiety was fur the
character. of the Rouse, which could not, with
credit to hod]; exercise hi the same time the func-
tions of prosecutor, legislator, and judge.
The LORD CUANCELLOR appruerd of the regu-
larity of the course taken.
Lord• lioi.t..Aup argued on the atiomolous situp-
!nation in which the Attorney-General, as a Mem-
ber Parliament, would he placed by the direction
of their Lordships to proaritte the kill at the bar
of thetilouset flow would the House of Com-
mons feel, if 'told That an IniAjeldunlof their body
had hero directed to prosecute a. Hall whirl, miktit
be then under their • consideration I The Noble
Lord should have stated some one of donee prrcr.
dents, what lie' hoe;ii-r1 Of Weil* followed. Ile
thought that there niuhl, be..no waiso effectual ti.
prose precedents, tar rime% one applicable Ili ti ,
case having been produced, as to spkiiiiiit a COW..
mittee to search for them. UrflifC the Attoroe).••
General received his directions, he hoped sonic
dtstanet account of, the accusabon would be fur-
nished to. th accused.
Lord
,Ltireueout. said, that whatever role was
adopted relative to the counsel for ogle soli-, %rutin!
he equally applied to the oilier. The Attorney-
General might not appear Ititmelf. as indeed it was
generally cus,ioduary cat•trs for him to ap-
point .time one to prosecute.
The Hal was read a first time,• and copies were
ordered to be delivered forthwith to the Queen by
the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, to the
Queen's 'Attitrise7 mid' Sol icirer-Getstrol, and to.tIN
At(ortiey-Grueral.
Coupel were heard .on the Goldsmi4. Coto e
Bill, after which the Iluwe aejourued,