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r.ocent with the guilty, and deprive tlient of their I
1;:lite because others had tinseled theirs.—The
Pr-floor) was laid on the table.
Lord ions [teem. t moved the second rearlitig
f the (:ralulmlrnd Disfronelsisement 801 l ; after
ohlch lie moved, that the Rvsolutinsis of the
!loose. passed sth July Imo, and the Order of the
7th of the same mouth, for leave to firing in a Bill
for iliaframbing the borough of Grampoiend, he
mow read, which briog done by the Clerk at the
► able, his Lordship rose and mid, that it would be
oi the recollection of the Members who had set in
l'or last Parliament, th.t ror the pewer,,totios, of a
I.rtil ageinit tow M.-tubers rotairnrit air il'onhm-
-I.oioirt, 'rouse eircrolioseces hail civilr too which
inalwoof hum to more Inv a Committee; it was
proved, by evolenee given before that Committee,
'at a Irmo nit alter of the voters had received
fist, a puree lo give their vote, to one of the candi-
oat..., hot not satisfied with this non, they had
eftersvards given their vote to the other party,
There was also a list of 58 voters, out of which
r timber 47 had gams of money (generally 351.) set
;Awns% their rimer, which being shown to the *gent
I Sir Nlanststif Lopes, was by him acknowledged to
lie pretty correct ; sod it also appeared in evidence
that at various times sums or money were given to
plower, the return of Member.. One person hail
iittended as a delegate, and received the sum of
5 000/. to secure the return of one Member.
A.400L was letdown us the regular stint to be paid
tar the two seat., and it was agreed by all the
oitnesees that to receiee money in this way for their
votes yes considered as the common and ordinary
entitle of proceeding. One witness had stated, that
al soon every elector had received a bribe. He added,
that there were perhaps three or four who had not.
The Noble Lord said, he conceived that this was
as strong a body of evidence as had ever been pro.
/Need against any borough; bat he would state
one or two more circumstances which had been
given in evidence before the Committee, and which
placed is a still stronger hint, of view the mis-
conduct of this bnrOugh. A petition on one ouccit-
nun lord been prepared against the return of the
titling Members, and a considerable sum we. after-
ward. paid to them not to prosecute the petition;
tool at one of the elections for this borough,. person
had repotted to have the bribery oath administered.
0,1 nuking this proposition. he was so maltreated
by the assembled elector.. that it was with great
difficulty lie escaped with his life. The cave then
being so strong, the next consideration was as to
the remedy that should be adopted ; and it would
perhaps assist the Houle if they were to look to
what had been done on other occasions. It was not
at all extraordinary in a country like ours. that,
from the fluctuations of trade and the consequent
depression of some of the Borough., where now
great poverty prevailed. that there should he some
of the electors open to these corrupt temptations.
From • review of our history it would appear that
The evil had made rapid stride.. It appeared that
i” the time of Elisabeth, n Member was fined 41.
for corrupt practices in relation to his election; and
if we might credit the authority of Lord Shaftes-
bury, nu less a sum than 7,'0001. was paid
for returns to that House in one of the Par.
liuments of Charles 11. Some Acts were pass.
ed relative to such abuses soon after the Revolu-
tion, but in 1771 a case of great enormity had oc-
curred, in which the returning officer had corrupt-
ly taken Upon himself to return the filiimber with
the smallest number of votes. In the case of New
Shoreham there was a Christian Society established,
whose Christian practice it wits to sell the borough
to the highest bidder. A Bill was brought in to
disfoanehite those pet-tons who hail thus abused
t'leir privilege. and after the second reading it was
agreed to extend the right of voting to the neigh-
bouring voters. Lord Chatham observed on this,
that he was glad of the measure. as it *mild bring
back New Shoreham from Bengal to Sussex. The
Pediment, by this proceeding, acknowledged that
C•rr right of voting was a trust reposed for the
abuse of which it was the right and duty of Per.
Lamest% to provide a remedy. In the case of the
borough of Csicklade, the corruption WAr nearly
universal, and there a Bill was also brought in to
throw that borough into the adjacent hundreds.
The Bill was opposed strongly in the House of
Lords, and the conduct of that House on the occa-
nun. coiled forth a severe remark from Lord For-
tracer 1 that House ultimately passed the Bill. and
he trusted the present measure would be equally
successful in that place.- After this review of what
had been done hitherto. the House would have to
coosider whether it 'would be better to throw
tl.e right of voting into the adjacent hundreds,
or transfer it to some other place. To the Petion-
era of to-day. it could make but little difference,
they would in either case still constitute a small int-
uortty. The glory of Grampound was gone for ever ;
they 'multi no longer see a Baronet, from motives of
pure charity, thrusting money into the pockets of the
electors, or merchants of the city of London. of the
highest respectability, contesting for the honour of
representing them. It was acknowledged on all
sides that the freeholders of the hundreds have no
claim of right whatever that it should be extended
to them. In the rases adjudged. it was given from
those who had abused it into those hands where it
was thought it might safely be placed. But if the
hundred in which Grampound is situated should
not no the present instance have the elective franchise
extended to them, there were still ten other Mem-
ben retnaining to their; who could with sufficient
zeal amid ability advocate their interest. in that House.
The Noble bird continued :—There was, in his
mansion, • fitter course for the House to Pursue.—
It MIS well-known, that, within the last 40 or 50
years, tosses of great wealth and population had
grown up whirl' fail not the right of sending
members to Parliament, some of them consisting
of 100.000 inhabitants. Such a state of things
wee inconsistent with the perfection of the repre-
sentative system ; and he would ask if any one be-
lieved that had these totem; existed prior to the time
of Charles 11. they would not have had represents-
lives? He therefore thought it was expedient
that the people should be convinced of the intention
of the Legisfature to grant them Representatives
as soon ao opportunity should occur. Experinice
MAI theory alike concurred in pointing out that
remedy for the evils which had navy, afflicted, and
still did afflict large unrepteserated mums. of the
community. It might be said that this would not
be deemed sufficient to satisfy those who were
stj led IttLraters; it might be so, but the nisei,-

t•ige would Ire 1114 that they wodld th
their completes* by the !erg ehoilln4 of
presentative- in that Ilowse,.itmerad of re
ailegal method., as had unhappily been
late. It might be said shat we should
as much corruption in large towns. but he
trusted that as the time' became more eisligliteised
such gross corruption would wettish. lie never
heard now of Members of that House receiving it
round rum of money for then vote,: yet such
things once were. The Noble Lord here read the
resolutions of a body of electors. who had asso.
rioted together for the porpoise of discovering and
bringing to punishment any corrupt practices in
their own body, and hod subscribed to. les. a sum
than 1,6001. for that purpose.. lie observed.
that when such • spirit existed in the country, much
good might be expected; hut it was the duly of
that House to oecond and support it ; and he
thought that the prospect of the great towns being
better represented, was particularly calculated to
gratify the wishes of the country. The Noble
Lord said. he sindetotood his Hon. Friend (the
Member for Northumberland) intended to propose
that two of the Ridings of Yorkshire should be
preferred to Leeds; but at present the iuclination
of his mind was to the latter place.
Lord Cmstutateon agreed with the Noble
Lord. that where a clear (-see of corruption was
established torsion a borough, it seas the duty of
the House to protect the parity of election and the
constitution of the country. The only question ow
which a difference of opinion could arise. was on
the remedial mein' proposed to be applied ; for the
question was not whet her • remedy should be applied.
but the nature of that remedy. The Noble Lord had
meted three instance. in which the House had in.
terfeeed, and in all of those the right of voting was
extended to the adjacent hundreds; but he thinks
the House would exercise a sound discretion in
transferring the right to great towns. lie would
shortly give his own opinion. and he differed from
the Noble Lord in this, that he (Lord John Rus-
sell) considered this case as a means of procuring
admission to the principle of Parliamentary Re-
form ; but he looked at it as the particular case of
the borough of Compound. for whose specific
misconduct some remedy must be applied, and not
at all thereby looking to any change in the represen.
tetion. When the Noble Lord brought the subject
forward in the last &seism. he (Lord Cestlereagh)
had objected to any general principle, end as he
was unacquainted with the local circumstances of
Crampoon& he had particularly reserved the quer-
tion as to the propriety of opening the right of-von.
leg to the adjacent hundred.. The Bill had been
brought in for opening the borough of Petite'''. bet
that had lapsed, and this, therefore. was the first
case which had occurred. He thought that ou
comparison of Wilts and Sussex with Cassoreil.
there would not be found any great diffeetaseiroile
the number of boroughs ; there were in Corner"
he believed. 21. in Wilts 16, and in Sussex 13 ho.
troughs • therefore any objection as to the number of
the boroughs would apply equally to all those
comities; yet Cricklade and Shotehaes had bees
both opened into the amities of Wilts and Sussex.
He must confess that as far as practical good or the
reason of the case Sent. he could see no insuperable
difficulty iu opening the bnenegh of Grampound to
the adjacent hundred,: With that object in view. and
the experience of three cases it which both Houses
of Psrlinoretst had concurred. he thought it would
be highly prejudicial to take the busistrow up on
new principles, and in contradiction to all the pre-
tedeuts before them. He did not go so far as
to say that in no case it might • be expedient
to transfer the elective right. If • second instance
of misconduct should occur in any borough si.
tooted its the same vicinity, that he would hold
to be a particular case in which you could not
make use of the some remedy which you bad in
the first instance; but this would Dot be a depar-
ture on the principle of the Noble Lord, but the
effect of necessity in that particular instance. The
Noble Lord opposite preferred the principle premiss-
fer, instead of the district or local netsurf ; now he
(Lord Castlereagh) could not concur iii the expo•
diency of adopting the new principle, and did not
think it was necessarily connected with the portion-
tar rase trader their consideration. He thought
that whatever the Noble Lord's partitolar opinions
might be on the subject of Parliamentary Reform.
his first wish must be to reform this borough ; sod
he would put it to the Noble Lord, whether it
would not be more desirable for him so to shape his
measure as to carry the whole of the House along
with him, and then backed by all the precedents,
send it up to the other House of Parliament. rather
than by reading it forward on a new and litigated
principle, rue the hawed of losing the Bill 'dung,-
tiler iu another plate. It should be observed,
that the Noble Lord had not been contented in
presenting this Bill to provide for the transfer of
the franchise, but hod recorded on the face of the
Bill itself nn acknowledgment of an abstract
principle. Here the Noble Lord (Castlereagh)
read part of the preansoble of the Bill, which
stated. that it was expedwat for Leeds to have
two Burgesses in Parliamtiet;• now lie (Lord
Castlereagh) could not agree so this without at the
same lime agreeing with his (Lord John Russell's)
principle, that the reperseutritiou ought to lie
founded on wealth and population. Now this was
a novel principle, and was, he thought, going buck
to those ideas which the Noble Lord had consented
to give up; and re far wee he (Lord Castlereagh)
from agreeing with him to extending the right of
suffrage to all householders paying scot and
lot, that be thought this the mode of all others
to which he should have the greatest objection.
There was, he believed, no instance on record, where
a right of voting had been establi.hed by Act of
Parliament. at trait not since the Act of Union. at
..hick time the Crown ceased to exercise the tight
of summoning some places and withholding it hues
others. As this would be creating a new principle
of coolerring the elective franchise by Act of Par-
liamet.t, end would be a complete departure from
the three precedents already established, he would
put it to the Noble Lord, whether, fur the sake of
.au abstract proposition—a proposition too which was
not only denied, but which would certainly be
strongly opposed—he would risk the loss of the
measure altogether. Having stated to the Howe
his reasons for preferring the district reform to the
principle of tranifer. lie should not oppose the
second reeding of the Bill, but he trusted that in

'4I4E Committee It.sienpl receiA such site eons as
would enable hinr te gm* it his support. &
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'Mr. TIERNEY said. that whets his Nob' rifi'
had brought the subject before the Ilona; on a .
harmer occasion' 'he certainly hail understood thst
the Noble Lord opposite, for himself, was nut
averse from the mode of proceeding which his
Noble Friend now proposed to adopt.
Lord CAIITLEREAGS explained.
• Mr. TIRRIIRY said, Ih4 with respect to the
measure proposed by his Noble Friend, he was
eaten" there was nothing which would have tiiten
greater satisfaction to all reasonable end diiipas-
-sionate mess than the peospeet which it held out to
them lie was certain dirt in this 1w spoke the
sentiments of all .ristional, souud-thirsking mess;
Mils peewee thosight that this Was one of the
*eons, in a small degree, of improving the re-
presentation, but would in a great degree .hew
the disposition of the House to make that re-
form. But all were now thseppointed, mid all they
were to expect was, simply, that the ekciite fran-
chisee at Gramponisd should lw merged in the
neighbouring hundreds.. The Noble Lord says,
for God's sake keep to precedent ! hut this prece-
dent was established only a very few years ago.—
( Hear. leeree.)—Before he proceeded. he begged
to guard himself. against the idea that any feelings
in soother plareswere.to influence his conduct. or
say. in tlipt House. • y were to do their duty—
thel other. Hadar wo do "hat they conceived
theirs—mid . the coo ry wouW decide between
them if there -Should 'be any difference. With-
out going extrevagaist lengths, or seconding any
clamour either 'for or against reform. the measure
of his Noble Friend came recommended to him on
this ground—that it.. would be a recognition of the
principle, that where favourable opportunities
offered to amend the repreeentationo he House would
avail itself of them. The question for them to con.
• eider was this : by the disfranchisement of Grain.
pound the House were reduced two in number, and
therefore it was to be said whether they should go
on with the reduced number, or keep up the old
one. He should say,. keep up the old one.
He utterly denied that Grenipround being ouce
disfranchised, they had any more to do with Corn-
wall than ally oilier county hi the kingdom.—
(Hear, hesni—No man would deny that great
changes had been wrought hy the lapse of time and
the course of events—great fluctuations and shift-
logs of both property and population. Those
fluctuations ' had thrown an immense maw of
population to other places than those which they
occupied when our representive system began.—
Going hick to that period, would any man have
ventured to say,- that Grampound should, and
that Leeds should not, be represented ? He
would controls, that they were now in that situa-
tion, and that they. had not only to consider what
places most worsted representatives, but in times
like the present they ought also to consider how
the public feeling Would be most gratified by the
choice to be made. Now he would ask. what was the
cause of thechimour (for to a certain degree it might
be su considered) fur Parliamentary Reform ?
The cause,
.undoubledlys was such entire masses
of men being, unrepresented. and they now had an
opportunity. pro trust*, at least, to remedy that
ellesttlanst. hut isythe plan oltlw Noble Lord op.
posit.. no new e.t.a' ollemers would be created, but
some Of the old voters eontd have two votes instead of
one. He could not eopeeive why the motion should
have excited any alarm, unless those who felt it had
made up their minds that nothing its the shape of
Parliamentary Reform should ever be granted.
The Noble Lord had reedy advanced nothing
against the measure, but arguments founded on
what was likely to be the conduct of the other
House. If it was to be said that that House woo
Never to entertain any ques•inn introducing, or even
touching on Reform, let it be said so At once ; but
if they wished to avail themselves of every fair op.
portuoity for correcting the abuses which had crept
into the represeistation ilea long room of time. he
maintained that a more favourable one could never
present itself than the present. The Noble Lord
could not doubt that there was a large body of two.
plc in the country who were as anxious for the pre.
serration of property, and as zealously attached to
the principles of the Constitution, as the Noble
Lord himself, who in their consciences believed
that a certain degree of improvement in the niode of
exercising the elective franchise was indispesisably
necessary to the tranquillity, security. and wellore
of the country.—(Hear. hear.)—The propriety
of disfranchising Grampound was generally admit-
ted. and the only question was, whether its former
rights should be thrown into some of the counties.
or the great towns. He coticurred in opinion with
bas Noble Friend (Lord J. Russell) that it would he
more advautorgeoes to give it to one of the latter, and
Leeds appeared to be the most eligible that could
be fixed ons The Noble Lord (Castlereagh) de-
clared that he would not oppose the second read-
ing, hut very' candidly admitted, that in the Com-
mittee it was his intention to get rid of the whole
principles sod provisions of the meosurer by throw.
mg the right into the adjacent hundreds. It had
been said; 't-Are you aware of the danger of giving
votes for theeloctiou of Members to sit in Parlia-
ment to rireliiPliiiipVeie of people. with no other
qualification, akin rirtflog a house of the value of
I. a year'?" 'ant they lived in a country where the
experiment had been tried with the best success—
where, ton it had, its various instances, been carried
to a much greater extent than was proposed at pre.
sent. with the most beneficial consequences. one of
which lie (Mr. Tierney) should always consider the
intone it afforded for the vent of public opinion and
feeling on questions of general importance and in-
terest. Ile most conscientiously believed that if
Manchester enjoyed the privilege of sending two
Members to Parliament, and were governed by
discreet and humane Magistrates. this would form
a strong 'sledge for its peace and contentment
in future.—(Here Lord Castleresgh smiled.)—
The Noble Lord smiled, and treated this remark
with sovereign contempt ; but notwithstanding it
vw, and would be, his conscientious belief. Not.
withstandisig. he preferted bestowing the boon 611
Leeds, becalm there would necessarily be a sort
of awkwardness in granting it to Manchester in the
first instance. He could assure the Noble Lord
that in the decision to which he had come, party
feelings did not at all interfere, for he was not at
all sure that his 'side of the House would gain by
the transfer; at least. if Leads returned two Mem-
bers, he thought they would be very well off

f they stkl Anse
Ile thought the
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tein, end to grt
hy the Noble I.
which would be

pnb4.. Thr adoption
.o'llll6 reilordiers title or their Strongest arguments—
" The House of Commons will never do any thing
to reform itself:7 it.. world bsdeprivisig them of
their most powerfulWespon. But a greater
%
adsau-
t■ce reediting from it would be, that it wools con-
ciliate the mitidaof the middling claales..who would
hail with joy the commencement of self-refurrno-
boo. But he confessed .he .saw no •Ipipe,•of the
attainment of his Noble )F'riend's object alter
the speech of the Noble Lord; hot for his own port
he should gladly take all the good that was to be
got. He had no doubt that that night' discussion
ot the subject would produce o disappointment in
the public mind to.mprrovr ; therefore, as there
would be an opportunity of considering the itstes•
tan after the holidays, he entreated Gentlrmes, to
inquire into`, and endenvour•tto ascertain the opi-
nions of their constituents and the hishlic on it in
the mean time; and if they feturned with an its.
pression founded on what the, saw. that the prop*.
aition of his Noble Friend was cote which it would
do 'credit to the noun to entertain. and diffuse so.
tisfactiori through the country to adopt, he should
indqlge the hope that would receive the better
support.---(Hear. hear.)
Mr. W. Wlr NW said, that all parties were agreed
on the necessity of reforming tile gross abuses which
had take p platee in the givitig of votes in the. bo•
rough of Grarnposoid. and all concurred its the
expediency of the first part of the Bill for taking
away the right of franchise from that place. The
question then was, whist .das to be done with it
Ile by no means agreed isi the reasoning of that
Noble Lord, for transferring it to the adjacent bun.
aired,. The three former instances quoted by bun
were net at all similar in their circuritstances to
this. But even if they were so id every respett,
and admitting, as be certainly did. that precedent
ought to he allowed greet weight where it was appli•
cable, still he could not acknowledge that the House
was bound by the determination of other Perlis.
means, but that this Parliament was quite fret to
exercise its own judgment and wisdom on the parti-
cular case. and if it saw that a different course was
advisable. to pursue it.—(Hear. heer•l-111 the
three former instances of disfranchisement. there

were great numbers of electors to whom no guilt had
been brought home. It had been reasonably laid,
will you punish the whole of the electors for the
guilt of a part? Accordingly it Wig not done, but
purer blond was let into the body by the odroopthoo
of the adjacent hundreds to a pa►tictlwtioti of the
elective 604 Bat this case differed so materially
from the others, there was so much greater degree
of guilt in the, borough, that the some argument
could not in his opinion be with any propriety used
in regard to it. If the right of returning members
to Parliament were taken away frosts Grarispound,
no reason whatever existed for conferring it on the
adjacent hundreds ; they shoisld so more be consi-
de►ed in the distribution than the ishabitants of
any other place in the kingdois.--(Heee. keitr.)—
Besides. it would be inconvenient to throw the
right into the hands of those whnolready enjoyed
votes for the rounty..-(fkor.)—With respect to the
district to which it Om impost advisable to transfer
the right, he preferted the proposition of the Hon.
Member for Northumberland (Mr. Beaumont).
The imperfect state of the representation for the
county of York was a great evil, which imperiously
demanded to be removed. The elective franchise
was scattered over so greet an extent of space in
that large county. that it was in reality useless
to many invested with it, because it was not
possible that all the freeholders in the county
could be collected to one point to give their
votes within the time limited by law. This
was an evil long felt. and which would be in-
creasing every day. Any one who looked at the
population returns would be convinced of that; and
if disregarded. would at last absolutely force itself
on their attention. He therefore'preferred the plan
of dividing the county of York into two parts, and
giving the East and North Riding the return of two
Members, and the West Riding also the return of
two Members. The Hon. Member here expatiated
on the inconvenience of the accumulation of votes

in the saw individual in Wootton Basset, and
other boroughs. in consequence of the former modes
of punishing borough corruption. All these awes
should stand on their own grounds, and he consi-
dered it would be improper to convey the right
taken from Grampoursd to at district already fully
mid more than fully represented.--(Hear, hear./—
If the Milne were against the plan he had rectum•
mended, he should choose, as the next best. the
proposition of the Noble Lord (Lord J. Rasaell.)—
(Hear, hear./
Mr. Hot,mg Sunrise said. that the constant
answer of those hi the House who opposed Re.
form was, " Strew us a specific instance of im-
perfection in the present system of the representa-
tion." Now. he thought •that if ever a clear ease
to establish that impeilectirm was to be acknow-
ledged by the Haase; the present was that case—
(Near,/—and if they neglected to avail themselves
of the opportunity it afforded to correct and onward
what was proved to be abused and defective in the
system, it would give but too just a handle to those
who imputed to them that they would never do any
thing to correct their own errors. He had to ex-
press his thanks to the Noble Lord who had renew-
ed the question in so able a manner. The objec-
tions of the Hon. Member for Montgomeryshire
(M►. Wynn) to extending the right of suffrage to
the adjoining► hundreds were insuperable. The pro.
position of the (lon. Member for Northumberland
(Mr. Beaumont) was that to which he felt most in.
dined. He ',referred this alteration, because it was
consistent wish the principle on which the pare•
sentation of that House was formed, giving the
elective franchise to property. He hoped too that
that was not the only rase to which the principle of
disfranchisemeut would be al►plied. A 13,11 had
hero in very considerable progress in the last Par.
lismerit fur disfranchising the borough of Penryn,
which had beet► proved to be qaite as bad as Gram•
pound. and he sincerely hoped it would be taken
up again.
Mr. BRAUSIONT said, that to prevent mistily.
demanding. be should explain the amendment
he iutraded to propose iu the Committee. Its

obj,ct was. that the county of York, for the pier.
lase of being properly repreiented, should he
divided into two couuties. His reasons were some.
thing similar to those which had been moil already
in the debate. This plan had less of issnorit...,•,
aid would enable the franchise to be more easily
exercised in that county, by diminishing the ex-
pense attending voting there at present. Ile thought
that nothing had fallen from the Noble Lord
(Castlereagh) which should bind him to oppose fits
proposition. and he was resolved to isersevere in the
amendment.
Mr. CAPIMIG said that if the BM nn the tab'.h.a 'Seen introduced merely fur the disfresichier-
fluent of Gralopound. and transferring toe right
which that borough bail enjoyed in tome 0n...
place. leaving it to the Committee in till sop ii
blink *WI the name of the place, he should h,,.
felt leo great anxiety to repress his sentimesii.. Bur
it.was expressed in the preamble that it was a it,l
lot erecting (among other purposes) Leeds ..00
a borough. 'lle propriety of that. two-lose, was
she question 'strafe the UMW!. He agreed only
every Gentleman tvhb hid spoken, that the borough
of
„Gradipotsud meet be disfranchised, that was,
deprived of the right p 1 sending Members to Parlor-
ment. But the Right Him. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Tierney) seemed to go still further than the
Noble Lord id his 'aliveness to punish the beerotig4.
for, in being diefrattchiled, he thought that toe
place was wholly extinnpsiabed. as much as if us
such place had ever heels ut existence. But the
Noble Lord 'fell iutia De. satiestapposititio, becdo...
in his Bill he provide(' for the preservation of
the right of voting to the pure elect•iri, ass t
',rimmed them to ewe for the county. Told
was • singular feature ip the measure. and our
from which could be derived .the props' ety of the
plat advised by his Noble Friend (Lop' Ca.sle-
reugh). If he were obliged to choose miter, hm
could have sin hesitation as to which of the mode*
of transfer proposed on the opposite side of the
House he should give the preference. He eerie-illy
preferred that of the Itrinourable Gentleman
(Mr. Besumontj. To this 11.11, in its preartilde
and its eisactmeuts, he must give the isn't decided
opposition. Noble Lord had profe•peil, iit
framing it. 'W steer clear Of all wild therm it. if
reform t he apprehended. however, that the
prnu ,-
pie on which these theories were founded was
the right of populatiOn to proportionate repleeii-
tetiosi—which very principle, he believed. was r
cognised in the Bill, for looking to its preamble
they would find it said. that Leeds'' being • piece
of great and increasing wealth and poteshiltoa.
it was expedient. &c. Looking at the details, it
would be seen that they carried this principle
practice to • very great extent. He knew of very
few boroughs in the kingdom with elect'• e
righsts ao extensive us were ;kelt eonferred is Leeds.
Of this he was sure, that if Parliament approved of
the Inuit there laid down. and established es the
standard for determining the participation of the
elective franchise. so far froth the measure difusisig,
satisfaction through the ceuutry, the consegnence
of it would be the diffusion of disemeteat in spoor
places which wife perfectly well satisfied already.
but which would then desire to be put on an equal
footing. He was glad to find that scarcely any
Member expressed • predilettion for the Noble
Lord's measures at the same time he should be'
sorry to he suspected of stay indisposition to reviler
due credit to the talent sod iwlusiry he had mani-
fested in preparing Isis Bill. He confessed he felt
jealous of Parliamentary Reform.. mod would nor
sanction the principle of it one tittle beyond whet
necessity required. He submitted so what was tie.
he done in the present case. as the consequence of
an existing evil which could not be *offered to coo-
tinue. The necessity of some step he folly admitted,
but greatly apprehended that the detenninatiow
come to by Parliament in this case would go fords
to the public as an admiseion of a general principle.
of reform. which he must look on as dungenises.
the more especially whets he considered the wooly:•
tions with which the Noble Lord had prefaced his
measure. His most earnest wish was., that 'Lig
might be the last case of the kind which would.
require the attention of Parliament. that thence•
forth such a degree of caution might• be to.,
spired into the other boronghs. that no•occartair
might arise for similar proceedings ; he honest
that it would operate not as ail example..bul
warning, and that it might be a beacon to.diteo
the rest of the boroughs from falling tinder the an°t%
madversiois of the Legislature. These were '4.1
sentiments' and he stated them eimilidly. Ad to•tho
grounds of his preference of York. the traosil.► to
that county only cos tioned a pre-existing right.
He disliked departicg from land, without knowing
how far he might be carried ; awl therefore wouhle
adhere to Rime principle to guide his course—her
would take a basis already established—he wool.i
transfer to as old, rather than create a new right..
If he must reform, he would reform within the hoe
of the constitution.—(Heoe, heur, heel—The
Noble Lord might see that the creation of a right
would furnish matter of dispute am' discussion. Ile
hinpelf, it appeared, hail hesitated between este..
blotting the stasidard at 5/. or 10/. Its the year
1810 the population of Leeds amounted to 6CWO.
Presuming an increase in the last ten feats. siege-
her to that iie the tees preceding. the pres,e.t
amount would be about 73,100.—(Here Lord
sell intimated that he computed it at 70,000).--;
%Veil then. here was • populutioit of 70.000 per-
soh. ; allowing the females to constitate hall that
number. the males would be reduces' to as.lw
taking away fur unison and other causes 11„utse, the
residue of the male population, capable of yahoo.
would be 24.000. of which the Noble Lord's' Isis
would od mit 8.000 teethe actual esijoyinent of tlieftan-
chise. This was& a iiler eatrootios of the right than
prevailed in any the moot fully represeuted ho.
roughs in the kingdom; and therefore it was ihst
he had nut spoken at cauldron its sayis.g, that the
adoption of hi* proposed measure souk' have the
effect of producing sliocootrot and die.atiefsetiou in
a variety of places. The taint which he hail the
honour to represent. and which he hied never heard
was defective in it. representation, cositditied
100,000 Ushabitaiste, of whom not iuure than 4 WM
exercised the elective franchise. He was ciii•lideut.
that the enaction.' recommended by the Noble,
Lord in respect to Leeds would be feud to be a
tI source of jealousy and snvidious companion. Rd
• Hots. Friend had spokesi of the iticanitugeence re- •
stilling from the enjoyment of a triple Sala !!y /1;4
inhabitants of Wootton Bisset, but his Noble

•
le of them.— ( Lend Intighter.)—•
✓ proposition of. kis Noble Frlind
the Home irenkt cle• earn to etallt•
4 rid of it on the
.grethid• adduced
Lord. would be steering • morn
e any thing but satisfactory to the
adoption of it
•would take front vi.

Friend (Lord Costlereagl) had guarded against the
neciirrei.ce of this evil. in exteritfing the right of
t;ranticnnad to the adjacent hundreds; !secant' he
had itect.ired that when these would have shombod
the privileges of Grampound, they world a sate.
rated. Ile was only anxious that that shoals! he done
in the instance of Grampound, whieh, in every case
their Statute Book contsittia , had been done on
pintilar occasions. When a case would arise. in
.
which local difficulties swear to me,lting
down another hotoittli. his Hon. Friend's (Mr.
Wynn's) objections would then be applicable; but
r.ll the% the Hosts should proceed in the ordinary

t! -•

•
Nlr. WYNN, Mr. CANNING, and Mi. Hot.ste
S s eit severally ex plaused.
Mr. Gaturrist.t. mid. that he emit.' not remain
silent on the present question. particatarly after
what had fullest from his lion. Friend (Mr. H. Sum•
tier) iii respect to the boiliugh of Peuryn,
but he should lint beg leave to offer a few re-
marks on the Bill before the House. As far as
regarded the disfranchisement of Grampound,
he
fully concurred with the expediency of that mea-
sure ; on that head he had ever held but one opi-
nion ; he was an euemy to the wild, visionary doe.
trines of Parliamentary Reform, but from the be-
ginning he had given his most unqualified appro-
bation to the measure for the punishment of Gram.
pound; leaving the expediency of transferring its
right to York to be determined on a future occasion.
The Hon. Gentleman then expeemed (aii we under-
stood) his preference of the plait for transferring she
right of representition to the county of Yoelc.
With respect to the borough of. Penryn, when his
nun. Friend had 'serried that it was involved in
the same degree of guilt as Grampound, be had
been almost persuaded that he could not have rend
the evidence which had been given of its guilt. It
vas quite clear that the corruption bf Grampound
vas general, but. could „soy thing of that wort lie
idleged with justice against Penryu? Out of 300
electors criminality had been • brought home only
against eight. Where then was the grotto(' for his
Hoot Friend's remarks, ipt. With what justice could
the House punish the whole if she electors for
the guilt of a few iedivideals ? He .felt himself
..ailed upon to say 80 mach on behalf of his
conatitbents, he believed that the character of
renryn was pretty mach the same as that
of other popular boroughs ; he believed it
contained some individuals who would be base
enough to make their elective franchise subservient
to their private gain, but he was convinced they
were not nonteroys. and if his Hon. Friend should
bring forward any measure of the character alluded
to, lie should be tempered to do his duty opt the
part of his constituents. •
Mr. D. Git.eitit4 said, that the two hundreds
adjacent to Ganipound,, to which it was reposed
to transfer its forfeited fights, contained a body of
gentlemen, and a population. generally, respectable
in the extreme. He therefore thought. that their
Representatives. if they were to have them, would
he as fairly chosen as those of many counties. Of
the two other plans, lie incomparably preferred
that suggested by .the Honourable Member for
Northumberland (Mr. Beaumont). For himself,
lie looked on those methods which would mate-
rially innovate on our old Constitution with
great apprehension and distrust; and lie entreat-
ed those Gentlemen who thought differently)
to loolitothe cooler of history. ancient and modern,
and then to say whether it was possible that any
body of men, directly delegated by the peoplei
could co-eitist with theother branches of the Cdts7
stitutiou. No their power would overhear every
thing—they would steep away the Aristocracy,
overturn the throne, and the certain ieritina.
lino of auth an order or things would be a military
despotism. He did not mesa to say that he
apprehended such consequences from disfranchising
Gramponod. But his opinion war; that if the
House thought it adirisable to spread the right en-
joyed by Groftipoood over, the two adjoining hun-
dreds, the existence of the small boroughs in the
neighbourhood would be no impediment whatever
to carryiun that design into execution.
Sir .1. Newroat objected to the extension of the
right to' the hundreds, because Cofossall enjoresl
more than its fair proportion of the representation
already.—/Hear.)—On this occasion it was the
duty of the House to look about for sonic portion of
the population not represeoted under the existing
system—..and where could it direct ll* view rather
than to Yorkshire ? The Noble Lord (Castlereagh)
seemed to have forgotten the grounds of repres.n.
lotion on which he had acted at the period of the
Union with Wand. fu adjusting the claims of
that country; these grounds were population ainl
taxation. So accurately had the estimates been
founded on population, that on one occasion.
when the popeletion of two boroughs had hewer
found equal, his memory greatly hailed him if
recourse had not been had to something like
a ballot, or casting lots, to determine the prefer.
ence, a proper attention having been previously
given to taxation. He thought the principle wise
and sound—(Hear)—and indeed in this respect the
Noble Lord had heed the greatest practical re.
former that had ever appeared in this c00n:41.-
11e was concerned that he had in some degree quit-
ted these grounds. On this -.question lie differed
altogether from the Right Hon. Gentleman uppo.
site (Mr. Canning). and so far from viewing it with
jealousy. lie looked on it with peculiar favour, be.
cause it iuvolved the principle of Parliantesitary
Reform.—(Hear.)—To take a wise advantage of
such occasions was the beat method of correcting
those abuses, which. in a course of time, had crept
Mtn ours, as well as alleons'inniioos.
Lord CASTLEREAGH and Sir .1011:‘ NEWPORT
explained.
Mr. WARR, felt some dietirto t i ttt tnent as to the
manner in which the Bill had been received by
the Members opposite. It appeared Its I
that 11.0 great sagacity was necessary to foreeee
the future fate of the Bill, which. as he expected.
would resemble that of a similar Bill introduced in
the last Parliament by the Member fur Comber-
!"d. Ministers appeared to smile on it. and treat
it kindly in that House. but its progress was
effectually checked elsewhere. He could not
concur in the assumption which was deducible
from the greater part of the debate, that the
House was so wise and virtuous as to be incl.
liable of admittiug reformation in any degree.
Ile thought the general sense of the House
and the public required that every opportunity

Should lie 'tired oftzreil itself f.r •Iter-

lug and improving the rairtmentation. He recom.
;tended a more grae conaiderwitm of the noramre
before thejloner than had been m maestri' by the
debate. He referred •the Howe to 16 recollection
of the gegeral ili)isfaceion caused by the derlivetious
of: *millers :ytipecting the conviction of Chilli-
pound. As the case was. folly made ou., even by
ackWowledgme.itt of Miniaters, be would Dup•
port the mil, nbtonly trti its individual merits; but
at an example of a more &Aural plus of improve.

spent in the repre►entatioa..
Mr. W.. SMITH said he Iseu,kl confine liims•lf
strictly to the question. which rather seemed to he
the second readinig or the Dill than the consider*.
bon of tike different mesh. of glorying it into
effect. He Iwd understood the .Noble Lord (Cos.
tlereagh) to have exprevka hintself its favour of
tepreseistotion. according to itemisers and taxation.
The Noble Lord hail stirrounded thii sdinission

with much aubsidisry argument, whirls could have
no weight when cotipared with that admission. In
speaking of the Irish systems of representation. es
established for tlw pnrposesof the Union, the Noble
Lord had stated-, that Wog obliged to lop oil
some boroughs, though nbt perhaps rotten. -Go.
',eminent had been compelled in take that measure
of selecting according to mumbers and taxation.
Now if that measure had not heels the best left in
the choice of Ministers, why did they take it The
fact was, that it was a wise principle. It was one
iii which he and all moderate Reformers most
heartily concurred. and the Noble' Lord *hewed
more wr.don in adopting it st first, than in now
seeking to disown it.. ?Mere was • great objection
to leaving the representation of Grampoond in
any borough of Cornwell. That county was already
too well represented. is far as the comparisons of
numbers went. But it was very remarkable that
in reality 'Cornwall was not well ripresenteJ, con.
sidering its preponderance of votes. It was au
enigma which he would be glad to hear explained,
that the Cornish Members wkre seldom chosen
from the ro iident merchants or tentrY, but members
we're sent ror all o'er England to snake up their
forty-four representatives.--(4 laugh.l.—Tlistre
was a circumstance which in some degree explained

it. Whehever there was a questlou before the
House Which required the support of whet, in the
common language of the House, was designated
jobbing, they were all agreed; but on other occas
pions their behaviour differed so much, as to "hew
that their principle in voting was not very honour.
able to themselves or the county. He woo re-
luctant to go further into the question at present.
but he shodld be glad to know how much Less in-
formed and less qualified to vote au inhabitant of
Leeds, paying scot and lot and U. a year rent, was
kely to be. than a 40s. freeholder of the county of
VOA ? He concluded by gi'visig his concurrence
to the. Bill.
Mr. DAvin GILIIERT. in explanation. reminded
the lion. Member. that he was first of all returned
to the House es Member Ihr Camelford.—(Hear.)
Mr. W. Sufis. ini eiplauatiop, ackesorledged
that about 30 years ago he had been returned to
serve for Camelford. through' means which would
scarcely receive the tiuhlic approbation of the
Howse.—(Hear. Wear, mode Awe./
Mr. &thugs! *toil over, the particulars of the
cotes of Sherelsam;lielston, and Wootton Basset.
to shew. that it had never been the principle of the
douse wholly to extioguish.boroughs where bribery
wig proved. except they were wholly entrap:. ' He
wAre,.therefore, in favour of leaving the right of
voting with the hundred.
Mr. FloPeouse hoped for the excuses of the
House; though the debate had been protracted to
au oneepecied lateness. in offerireg a few words
in support of the Bill. As the Gentlemen optici,
site had thought it was due to themselves to state
the reasons which induced them to support the
Bill, he wished to be elbowed to follow their exeni-
pie, though his reasons differed totally from theirs.
It seemed to him to be au admitted principle, that
the Home wanted some reformation. He would
have spoken on the "Object earlier in the evening, but
that he believed his alliance would have done the
Noble Lord no service. It was impossible not to
see that some alteration was nee y ; this was
avowed in the preamble of the Bill.. fie felt ±t
necessary to speak in support of the Bali because it
had been said that the reformers "meld accept no:
•thing het the whole object for which they sti-
pulated. Ail that lie could say was, that if
there were any such reformer.. he was not one of
them. He felt grateful flit any part of that object
which should be granted. and he begged terve to
return the Noble Lord his sincere thinks for the
efforts which he matte towards the attainment of
that Object in any degree. It seemed to him
that nothing had occurred in the debate which r,.
quires' that he should apply himself particularly to
it ; there woo nothing to 'uplink the bpintons
which had been expressed by the gentlemen oppo-
site respecting reform. One Right Hon. Gentles
men opposite had talked of the period in which any
acquiescence with popular °Motto* tin that subs
ject should take place; is an evil day which was
to be put off as bug as it was possible. The
Right Hon. Gentleman was not present. end
therefore he would not make further comment tin
his 'peed', But he wished it to go birth to the
country, that in his opinion it would nut be en evil
day at all, but • very good day—a day which would
begin the restoration of coodirlence and content-
ment to the people, seinen would feature to them
their just rights as they hail been secured and hand-
ed down by their forefathers, without at all di4
minioning the privileges or prerogatives of the
Crown, or disturbing the !proper rights of arty
branch of the State.
Mr. Wattee thought that all variances of opi-
nion as to the met utedisure to be adopted tor
the enforcement of the principle of the Bull, should
have been reserved for the Committee. Ar to the
dread of admitting the principle of Reform, that
was done already, not only its the cases of convicted
boroughs, and the ineemres to which such convic-
t'
had given rise. butt by all the reguletions
which the House had ever adopted for the better
nossisgement of elections. lu reply to the scruples
of Monsters about creating a new right, that right
*as as treads established by trensfernsig the free-
dom to the hundred. as by giving it to Leeds. if
the principle of Reform was not to be admitted,
the Rill must be thrown out altogether.
Lord Jolts Htnost.L.oid, he would offer bet
I eery few word. in reply. He had heard the Noble

, .
f,ord opposite with great 111111 j not that the Noble
Lord ...as pledged ta,any support of the Bill, nor
la.+ hr Iwoken any agreement erttered into with his'
(Lord J. Russell). The Noble Lord hod. however.
,iisappointeit his hopes. At the el re of the lept
11),srliament he had usiderstood the able Lord to
have admitted the principle of the Bill, Avertring
his opinions as too the malificetion of ',hit • prin.
ciple. The Noble Lord had gives the 'object
deep cotonderst 1111 l in the interim!, and now josh.
eel to adopt the, preeedent wf Shiveehato, and melt
the right of the borough into that of the hunched.
To this lie (Lord J. Russell) hed a great objection.
Cornwall hold. thready too ussoy hlembers, com-
tarred with' the other comities. Its population
was about eIt,OOO, and it remelted 44 Members,
while the population of the West Riding of York,
3d3.000. only returned 44. As to the scruples
about admitting population and telethon Se the
halloo( representation, he wished W 'tame if the
right were to he given to a new plea'. Whether the,
House would chow one, considerable en extottot of
its trade and population, or hook otit for an Old
Surrtm. without icicle or popolition at all N.( Heim).
He was one of tliciie who thew& the general prin.
ciple of representation to he' isenbers; be also
thought that dole boroughs. -though they fre.
quesitly had the effept of sending auto the House
men of great tatenta sad sitter,. Were too mach
subject to the influence of wealth, even where ex-
erted in an, ,intproper way. 1k weelitod, there•
lore. when a case of delinquency "mime!, -to drat
it before the House ; he was ehd to do Per not
.paly because he was opposed Mt any Wild Mee-
Dares fur soddenly altering the representation,
but because he was also a friend to sheb a ie.
form as could be carried 'lnto effect with a due
regard to the analogic., of tint Coustitotiort. and the
danger of meddling, with the rights wf the other
branches of the Coustiibtion. Bet as to the terms
*id and visional;—what could be more Wild and
eirionery than the reform expected by the Members
opposite ? He had never heard of any scheme so
wild as theirs. in expecting that. by ponishing one
of those corrupt boroughs. the where would be
trightened into a state of perfect purilk. He was
ready to agree with the seggestian of the Menthe's.
fur Northumberland. if it should he fiend
expedient by the House to adopt it with the Bill
before them. in Committee: •
Lord CASTLEaItiOIIII explained.
The Bill was then read a second thew, and ordered
to be referred to a Coenniittee of the *bole House
on that day sr'nnight.
Sir J. Niwrowr moved the ender of, the day
for the third reading of the Clerk of the Peace Bill
in !rebind. which, with the adoption' of Si new clause,
was pifssed.
Loral CrisTLvaciatt gave notice of a motion fir
renewing the Alien hill. and the Bill for preveot.
log the Scotch Books from Neteralizing Fs.
reigners.
The ATTORNFT.G•IBIAL ht up a Peti-
tion from John Eyles, Warden of t * Pket prison;
praying the House to order protteadifils which had
heel, instituted against him, for relsotiog Robert
Christie Burton (cooloed for debt to the amount of
10,000 i. and returned in the swab tithe for the
borough of Beverley). to be 'toyed.
The pititimi was referred to the CPinatittee
Au iurtroction was also nsoead to the
Committee. to meet no Thursday OW. et dose.
Lord CAITLEILIA6II mowed that the Heise
its 111111
risingrhotild poljosins ti110111111rdext:
Mr. Hollootriss gave of ?; motion, relating
to the power of cooks of co to punish by
fine or imprisimment, without she verdict of a Jury,
for publishing their proceedinttii.
The Navigation Bill went through a Committee.
and the Report was ordered to be taken into Chu.
sideration on Friday next.
A Committee of Ways and Means wain mitred for
Thurtchiy next.
The Cape of Good Hips Trade Bill went
through m Committee..:4l/port on thersdaY4
The House went into a Committee on the Free
Port Acts Billo.:tbe Report boo ordered to be re.
eeived on Thursday next.
The House went into a Committee on the Artie.
rican Colonies Drawbacks Bill.—Report on Thugs:.

dry.
The Customs Drawbacks Regulation Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed
that day sennight.
The House went into Committee on the Irish
BMWs Bill.—Report on Thursday.
The Glebe Lands Bill was read a second time.—
To be committed on 'Thursday.
Mr. I). W. HARVEY moved for aCCOVaIa of writs
of error, and various other, proceedings connected
with the JiMien, Courts, which had taken place
within the last three years.—Ordered.
The ATTOnnIT-GINERAL brhoght in a Bill to
facilitate the iirogreis of business In the Cburt of
King's Bench. by granting certain powers to Jody@
of Anise.
Ur. DOMAN said, that the Bill was pretty
*early the some as one which had been brought in
last year by an Him. Friend of his, with the exeep.
lion, as we understood, that the present Bill weut
to create an additional Judge.of Assize.
After a few word. from the ATTOlin itir.Gitx anat.,
which were not distinctly madiblo in use gallery,
the Bill was brought ift anal eead the Arm time—to
be read a second tune on the fidth of June.
Mr. LIM' I °TON brought in Bill to.repral an
Act of his late Majesty. by which certain bonds
are required to be given to the Creed wpm, the
acceptance of cerium offices in the Cintenn.—The
Bill was read the first time, le be sui4 tl second oh
Friday next.
Mr. C. Goan? moved, " Tlialairesoksolai4 bez
fore the House the Report of alti.eirgamiiiimaere
who were appoiuted to lisquire into Ibe.sitirte of the
House of Industry in Dublin.—Widend.
Adjourned at a quarter past ten o'clock distil
Thursday next.

Front a work Ist,ly published by the Acadeiby of
Sciences in Paris. it appears than Paris contains
714,000 inhabitants. of which C5lOOO are not do•
usielled. The sversge number of births onissolly
6,11.000, and of these the proportion of m4le to
female is 25 to e 4. The elnwisnsistion of breed
annually is 113.880,000 killogroosolloo: of pogo
70,000 ; of heifers 9.000 of colon 78.000 i of
sheep 34,000 of swine 74,000: of egg* 74.000.000
of pigeons 900.000 ; oI fowls 1,200,000 ; of onto
. .
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••• We enderelsad we have ant eorredly given the eon -
eluding seisiesce in Mr. iteCiVetiall'll is our sepias of
Sig to sloe Coot' of Dolmen. end
IhM head net my SIM the awe* of the delay there alluded
In.weehl he rynaewtylb the ietunalliate retire of her 3141.
am% IMO thhe his eloccerOtahrei wee. this the falter of um-
Oohs!. yieslllte:weell her Ple.terto's 'mower iu the snit,
itlcethi.he ihileoped heineilietely oe her rehire.

URI `ll Sti PR ESSÔ

LONDON;
SATURPAV. MAT go. nod.

illitithitsiettiime to be pared lido the Horne
et Cintl , i frattt. **fifties pllttt of the conntry.
sod Poop every elm ofperrite, c:omi?loihing of
&Oil% and preying for relief. Betweru thoie

'Weiss which p►eceed from the manufactures'
sod triodes', and these whiCh **peak the sentiments

of the ogricelterol body. there it a striking dif-
ferrate in principle: for while the' holler look for

sag alleviating of their suffering,. solely by impair=
igg burdens bpon other,, the forinel• propose kg,
lultigate the rnifferinr of alli by removing all such
kgpssitians Ziid restiletions iron commercial in-
amemine, ws ruitybefoundgppreasive is national in=
dirty. without materially affecting the revenue of
the St,. It is toitlonhtedly satisfactory to hook the
principal serjculturism sod manufacturers is Phi=
!lament prufmising• their conviction. that the in-
teriiis of all dares in the State art the same. and
that one cannot he isilisred without causing all the
•
rest to syinPatiiise in its sufferings; but this ex-

cadent and wise principle is urged by the different
dames with very distinct views with regard to its
applicittbss. The agriculturists have adopted •
very erwmeons, and equally injurious . notion,
dint their interests have been sacrificed to
time of monefiscbares end twaimerce, and there-
fore esfartsinately 4hen they urge the expe-
diency et extending equal protection to all, they
eliply the asaiini with ■ vie* not to a, removal
of restrictions in the manufactures and commerce
of the country, but to • prohibition of all foreign
productions of the soil to be consumed in this
country. There is indeed use instance in which
the df thh land4woeis hate hetet sacrificed,
a List in ilipiXtraece. to those of manufactures
we Idled@ to the resitictions Imposed bpon the et-

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Imitation of :These • intrictioss. we
tbiok, ought is jestimi tribe land-comer, tai be
removed, sod we ariatioriard that treat this act
of justice no injery will remit to the wotillen-
ahlolifacturer. It cella* is no inimasiduable
evil attending the cootinuauce of the egisting
system with.regard to dm wool trade, that It offers
a blatant than far sispportisg the declematioo of
*Oak Mild in isspilo of facts will airin that the
stikeltdie of IVA country has been sacrificed td
alaitilerce. •
• My intatitisc..clebide yesterday 'rens.,
ing spas the sucood readiiig "of Lard JOHN
RussaLL's bill for disfranchising Grampanadi
end transferring the right of electing Representa-
tives to the ancient and pordousimamdi.ff Leeds.
The propriety and expedigfai pludAteg the
borough of eviampound slam 4IPa almost uni-
versally reseeded in the Hauls of diummeini even
Mr. CANNING, the intrepid defender of every
eitablisbed shim, inotided it can he traced with
tolerable securacy to times of feudal wisdom. sur-
renders the franchise of drampound ; the only diffi-

culty therefore that remains to be settled is, to deter.
mhae how the forfeited franchise shall be bestowed.
Lord JOIINRUSSZLL proposes to transfer it to such
householders of the borough of Leeds ■s pay an
annual rent of Bre pound.. Lord CAITLUCAUII,
on the other hand, suggests that the elective fran-
chise should not be taken away from each of the
present electors of Grampound as were not found
guilty of bribery, but that it should be extended
also to the freeholders of certain neighbouring. hon.
dreds. Me; B3IOIIOIIT, the Member for Northum-
berland, however, differs from both, and conceives
that Mari new life and vigour would be infused
into the ebnstituticin, if the West Riding of the
great snd populous county of York were erected
into • distinct county, sod the right of electing
Representatives in Parliament were transferred to it
from the disfrancised borough. Several Members
of weight and influencespoke in favour of this plan,
which would indeed be productive of much cadres).
tate, even independent or the question respecting
the election of Representatives.
The proposition, of Lord Cartt.tavicu, Mrs
CANNING, and the. Ministerial party, to extend the
franchise of Grampound to the neighbouring bun-
dreds, although consistent in principle with the
cores of two or three other rotten boroughs, has tett
little else to recommend it. We can see no reason
for griming en barge and 10 anntualous an increase
of power to the freeholders of the neighbouring
hundreds as is included in the right of voting, tout
only for two Knights of the Shire, but aim for two
Burgesses. The argument deduced from local '
circumstances ought• rather to operate in favour
of the principle of transfer to another part of
the kingdomi than that of local extension ; for
as emapleints have hitherto prevailed that the
coma), of Cornwall has sent more representatives
to Parliament than became its rank or importance
iu the empire, advantage should be taken of the
opportmisty now presented, of transferring two re:
presentative, from Cornwall to the larger, wealthier.
mid more populous county of York. Either of


the alat taro plains has sufficient mer;tet In fy
the whip of either. We must enlift•ei that we
should preftr the Ohm of dividieg the c ty
York into two shires. and Jour flusear.r.
intimated his readinevi I' conceit in this plan.
pfairldr d filch t.hoidd appear in the Committee to
be the wi+l6 of the majority of the finesse. The
Bill was finally read a second time. and ordered td
be coentill tied.
Sir JAIIIa MACKINTOSH perms,* his oriern
mitigating the severity of tire Crtniiiiel 1.. w
sabenieted several Bills to the House trot hied
dale purposv.

P.oris Papers or Tuesday last have 'mitred st our
office. The Vresoch Chamber of Pem is.rotsble4l
no Morcliy, for the purpose ft( remseing oh, fett.•rt of
the Commission charged with the roar>s MOVII/
LoNeel. The rrpurt was commeuctil the L'amot

BASTARD DE ICETANG ; but it was .0 voluttsiwinse
that although the Chamber set until we o'illeCkoo •
the reading of the depu►itiui.a connected with it •
Wail not then finished, sold the Chamber sdiooroo.
ed 'histil the fulroo'mg day. The CoMmittre sprat
to have been minute in the investigaiino,. •
for the report cat. .oins not only a detailvol hisinvy
of Louvers life, hut also every rosiour—every on die
that could he collected respecting him, mothers
posed to have been connected with hien. No Ira*
however appears Mist he had any tweompliees chit
his eriite, ur wits induced to cottimit it at the
'ligation of others. This is very satisfactory,
shews that all the rumours circolatrtl nr ur.ginattill
by M. CIIATIKAUBRIAND still the Ultrow•ltoyelitt.,
reopecting the ritikeuce of • fanuol•lile and
extensile euhspiracy againtt the Bourbon dynasty,
were altogether without foundation. The report
steps wituewhat out of the direct hoe of lii

duty slit 'tted to the Committee. for the plural.*
of praising the Mmiltty or M. DECA WI. It 11% .f rill
that the police of thk kingdom was never better re.
•ulated thou under his direction.

In the Chamber or Deputies the debates have
commenced upon the new low la election. Au sea
count was presented to the Chamhet, *hewing the
niimlier of persons who now enjoy the right of
electitus in the districts and departments resioctivel
th gliout the kingdom. The number of electors of
JisUirts amonnts to 75.169-or electors of depart-

ments In 18,779—Geners1 total. 93401.—T1ue
discussion* will continue for several drys.
The Five per Cents. are '73 1. 6u ci NIA
Actions 1,492 r. 50 c.
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We hive received German Paper, of recent dates,
but they contain no news.

the Esti of Ltiaanoot, Viscount Camas
itexott, and the Earl of C LAN CAITt. had indict:cc*
of the Kt ma yesterday.
Lord CAITLIMIUGHI improves in his figurative
iianguage. Daring the debate. in the Ikase of
Commons en the appointment of the fifth Baran of
the Exchequer in Scotland. the Nolile Lied
provingly asked. 64 Would the lion. Membe► ha•g
ap the coarse of the Courts of Law !"—The Noble
Lord here, with sisigolar felicity. converts the coarse
of the Courts into • convicted criminal. and ac.
wally executes the °Binder.
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The Duke or You otteuded Epsom races yer—
terdoy.
YotOrally Prince LEOPOLD oirited in town fro=
Clareinont;

the Princess AUGUSTA ertilyed at h•r apse..
mews in the late Queriii Palace on Tharsrfay.
front Froginore.
Y►sterdav the Welles% of GLOUCUTER and the
Princess AucusT♦ visited the lima at his Palsy,
in Pall-mall.

The Nlsrchioness of I.stitaDowtr gave a splendid
rout on Thursdair tearing. at Lansdown House.
Berkeley-square. Nearly 900 persons of the first
distinction and fashion were present.

The Marquis and Marchioness of LAIIIISoWV
gave en elegant dinner yesterday to Lord and Lady
ARUNDEL.. and a distinguished pony, at Lace.
down House, flerkeley.square.
The Marquis and Marchioness of Cnot.stosna.
LEY gave a superb entertainment yesterday rt
Cholmondeley House, Piccadilly, to the Duke
and Duchess of CLARENCR. Among the distin.
guished personages invited is meet their Royal
Highnesses Were, the Adtbassodor of the Nether.
lands,Count MUNSTER, the Marquis sod bitorehip-
nes. of Ilsturroen. the Marquis owl 31orchiooeso
of WtactiarrEit, the Morgues of HEAD/PORT. the
Earl of WElLtioaLattb. Lord KEITH. Loft.
Sy. HELENS, &c. in the eveniag the Noble
mothionear had a grand as ably, which was very
numerously attended.
Komara grand anions opera of Taeeredi was
last night repeated at the King's Theatre, • ith
creased success and effect.—Amoug the numerous
fashionable. prevent we obverted...
Mrs. limaneat, Major sad Mr*. Ferran, Mr. Sync Ob.
John and Lady Leicester, Boa. Miss Novae, Vier. Banip-
den, tins. Mr. Boavrrie Earl cad Countess of sarstraroank.
Hun. Mrs. Sesulione, datms, of Briekrewsser, Earl but
CUOIIIIII4II of Atiashery, Lard Naive. we. ate Thum and
Lady Fargeharr, Cooping of /Awn. eutwrirl mid ibe Misses
Wlrillissui, Lord and Lady lemriek, llerwierakda Mr. !Ma-
hone, Camases' of Cirminsel, Earl mid eirameas Weeps,
Marchioness wfSallebory, Mr William hilinssin, Lady Dad.
let.sad.W.fit, Laois Verses, Sir A. Mime, Lady Ciserlutie
Hill, Lady Melville, Sir William sad Lady EarkWaluel.
Lard Ciworbrork, Lard Valbriart, General Minna, Leer
Owen' Lady Louisa Lyres; Manterms Esc M.P.;
Lady Prim, Mrs. Betiell, Sir limey Wright Wafts, Lim.
ley St. George SkeMagros, Lord George &yowler, G. Womb-
well. E.. 1. Earl and Caste's la•Warr, sad Colonel
Berkeley.
Accounts have been received from the Cope of
Good Hope, conveying the imtelligenct of the snivel
there of the two fire vessels dispatched by GOVero•
meld with mailgrams, the Nameable Mid ainfinusa.
They are posted*. Lloyd's boob as being reached
Table B.y pretrials to the 17th of Hach.

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