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THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

judgaittnt iiti-,tpanece In tUchan v. Stave, the le a •at.
low was affirmed, with aOl. casts.
Lord :Vim.% mar stated that there were several objection-
able chinvs in the •Naval Court-martial hill, and immetlietely
moved that it he read a third time this day six 1110110iS t_tbrowu
out which was ordered.
The Glass duty bill wits read a third time and passed.
THL RAO AA, FEM. '22.
Lord L. Gower's Indemnity Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Indigo and Coehineal Bill was committed and reported.
STATE OF THE NATION.
The Duke of Beueon 0 stave notice, that in consequence of
the large proposed peace military ettablishment. the heavy
pressure of taaation, the general distress of the country, and
particularly the state of Ireland, he thought it his duty to sub-
mit to their Lordship's a motion on the state of the nation on
this day fortnight, and moved that the Lords be summoned for
that day. Ordered accordingly.—Affiourned.
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THE LATE TREATIES.
The Marquis of Leesnowee rose to move, pursuant to
notice, for certain accounts connected with the late Treaties.
He had before stated. when addressing himself to the general
mature and objects of the Treaties, that it would he necessary
to have some explanation on certain minor &tints connected
with these 'Treaties. Their Lordships would recollect that Par-
hatnent was informed, when it was proposed to vote a sum for
the purpose of bringing the subjects of some minor Ger-
man states into the field for the si rider. of the last year, that
these men were to he supplied tons at the moderate expellee of
111 2s. a year per man. Upon that statement, and in that con-
fidence, Parliameut had been induced to vote the sum requisite
for the purpose. After the session had terminated,aed even
atter the sees ice had been completed, two most extraordinary
Treaties were made in the course of August last ; in which, by
an ex post facto arrangement, it was Reeved that this country
should pay, for the troops of Hanover and Brunswick, the
whole of the expense ouch hail been incurred by these troops,
or which they chose to say they had incurred, during this tie- •
rind of service ; and, lest there should be any outlet from the
performance of this agreemeat is its fullest extent, it was sti-
pulate d that the drums anti kettles should be paid fur. This re-
quired explanation; and, in order to :Mimi an opportunity fur
giving it at nnother time, he should now move for an account
of such arrangements as had been made on the subject to
which he referred, with Hanover and Brunswick, in the month
of August, thei. He was desirous also that an account should
be produced of the Minis received from France under the head
of Indemnity, and whether any and what issues had been made
out of thew sums, and by what authority. 'I his latter motion
was intended to bring before their Lordships a matter to %%Inch
he had before called their attention. The object was to show
whether situ h issues had been made in such a way as hi might
them tinder the eontronl of Parliament. He voucluded by
Inuring accordingly.—Agreed to.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Mosinev, Fre. 19.
Lord Lowritee, moved for a new writ for Cod:criminal', in
the room of Foster, Esq. who had accepted the Chiltern
Hundreds.----Ordered.
Mr. Bent:Guam gave notice, that to-morrow stoneight he
should nurse for leave to bring in a Bill more etieetually to se-
cure the Liberty of the Press. (Hear, hear.)
SINECURE PLACE'S.
Mr. Bnocciteat asked whether it was true that the Chief
Baron of Ireland had sworn in his own sou to fill the vacant
office of Clerk of the Pleas?
Mr. PEEL believed such was the fact.
Mr. Bnotc.llAM expressed, what he believed was also the
astonishment of the Honse and the Country, his surprise at the
extreme readiness to fill the place ; it being at the time the
subject of discussion before Parliament. ( Hear.)
Mr. Peat, said, the House had still the power to regulate the
office; and the delay which had taken place in laying the
information before the House bad been occasioned in con-
sequence of waiting for the Commissiouers' account of the
legal fees of the office. ( Hear ! )
Mr. Lam irrox, after expressing his wonder that the Minis-
tera should have put into the mouth of their Royal Master
sentiments of economy which should be thus early so liberally
falsified, moved for Returns of all Offices, civil and military,
filled up by the Crown or other Authorities, in Malta, Isle of
France, am—Ordered.
RENEWAL OF THE INCOME TAX.
On the presenting of a Petition against the Renewal of the
Tax on Incomes and Property, from what place we could not
bear;
Mr. BARING asked, whether there was any trnth in a report,
which had been tolerably prevalent, that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had abauduned the idea of renewing the Income
and Property Tax? (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of HIC EXCHEQUER was glad of the oppor-
tunity to set the House anti the country right respecting a
report which had thus, for the first time, reached his cars ; butt
he could assure the Hon. Member that such report was ut-
terly unfounded. (Loud cries of hear.)
Mr. Raoul:nem moved for an account of the number of per-
sons in the City of London assessed under the Income 'lax Act,
the number of surcharges and appeals, distinguishing those •
which had been successful, fur the year ending April 1815, and
the succeeding three quarters.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER feared it could not be
made, especially of those now under consideration, and object-
ed to the expressions, " Income Tax."
Mr. BROUGHAM, of course, did not wish for returns of cases
other than those actually decided upon, anti as to the language
of the motion, he used it because the tax was one on Incomes.
—Motion agreed to.
TREATIES OF PEACE.
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Lard CASTLEREMTIIIO;2:pIII;IIaIIii4;;;ike, to call the at-
tention of the House to the Treaties recently laid before the
House by command of the Prince Regent; a task which he
should have left to sonic other member if it could hove been
light to call for an opinion of PArliament, without previously
cominnoirating to the House all possible information respecting
the course which the Crown and the Ministers had pursued in
the negotiations. The vote which he should propose would
take in the proceedings at the Congress of Vienna; but out so
far nod binding as to preclude any other proposition on those
proceedings, so far as they were perfected, which others
might deem it right to propose ; but had not the events of
lei, unfortunately occurred, his -Majesty's Ministers never
would have deemed it their duty, acting on precedent, to call
on Parliament to express an opinion oa the Treaty of Vienna
—Those who might approve recent arraugemeuts, although
they disapproved of the labours of the Congress, would not tie
pledged as approving the Treaty of Congress, by supporting
the motion with which he should conclude; on the contrary,
he should deeuu that question open to any Member who
disapprove of such a measure. Nor did he consider this u;
Mon altered by the fact of the Treaty of Vienna being taken

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Nellie bask of that of Pa is, because similar bases lu.ul been
taken for the Treaties of Westphalia, Utrecht. and other
pac•itic ineasnres, all proceeding on fornser documents. In the
diplomatic knurl' alone, the great difference of opinion was
to be expected ; their sentiments respecting the military and
financial measures, he thought, would not excite much my°.
*Rion on the present occasion. lie hail all along felt assured,
considering the character of the war, and the man against
whom they had to contend, that restrictive schemes and inea-
surev would have been unw:se, extravagant, and impolitic.
Such measures would not have been very ecumenical; for this
country could nut have afforded to carry on restrictive warfare
against such :t into us the one who had been destroyed. A
co: prdiensive plan of confederation and warfare presented
this only hope; that had been adopted, and with astonishing
and brilliant success. As to the acquisitions of dale' eel
Potters, they were not very considerable. Regarding the
financial division of the question. extensive subsidies became
necessary; particularly towards the minor States, this country
havitug brit from 60 to 80,003 men in the field ; but so early liad
the war keen concluded, that the whole of the millions subsidy,
granted by Parliament, lindnotpieen es petaled. That crisis, how
ever, had arrived, that Enalandand Europe could not afford to
be foiled, and the decisive battle of Waterloo kiwi ffunbt what
it was that brought the strong arm of Europe upon France
—it was to resist that military inundation which threatened the
liberties of Europe, and the repose of the world. Unhappily.
the generosity of 181.1 had no avail—a disposihiou toot to out-
rage national feelings wire attributed to want of means.—( Hear)
That opinion was to be destroyed, and it was destroyed by the
great contest of Waterloo—a contest which wits decided with
peculiar ecergy, , nail so aroused was Europe against the mon-
strous aggressions of France. that 1011,010 men bad ap-
proached the French soil, and 100,000 Austrian reserve stay ap-
proaching, and 150,000 additional Russian three had arrived
on the Elbe.--.( Hear, hear.)—Thui had corresponding ex-
ertions been made ; and had the war gone on two months
longer, he hesitated not to say that one million and a half of
men would have appeared on the soil of France to defend and
avenge the cause of Europe.—(liter, hear.)—Russia was nobly
forward to fulfil all her engagements; but he thought it was nut
very creditable to some individuals iu this country to throw out
suspicions against Russia, against the motives which brought
her into the field, because of her means to bring forces into
the field, in pursuance of her engagements, and to resist
aggression, especially as this country was situated towards
Rnssia, and after the spirited and magnanimous conduct of his
Imperial Majesty.--1 Hear.)--As to the Treat• of Hitt, how-
ever, he never should condemn the generous principles ou
attic!' it proceeded ; and had there been a eapru•twls opposi-
tion at that period towards the person of Bonaparte, anima'
doubt it would have clouded the splendid horizon a hich opened
upon the wa4id at that time, and a mild possibly have produced
civil war. Such generous principles ought to guide all great
confederacies; and that of 1814 could not charge itself with
having endeavoured to make France feel the horrors of that
system of spoliation with a Inch slue had visited other nations ;
and when there appeared a species of electric movement
throughout all France towards their King, the hope of conti-
nued repose recommended such generous principle still tutor.
strongly. As to any interference in the internal at tirs and
policy of Peanut, he denied that this country had in Ally way
bee guilty of breach of faith. The sentiment by a hich the
Eoglish Government and the Allied Sovereigns had been guided,
was no peace on any terms with Bonaparte; but the declara-
tion was never made that France should have Louis NA 111. or
any particular Government named by the Confedration or Eng.
land. True it was, that Louis restoration met a itk
approbation, because Prince: seemed to desire it, and because
it was thought that unthrtunate Monarch afforded the certain
hope of treaties being kept, and terms of amity preserved;
and the declaration of his Majesty developed the principle
which guided the Cabinets on that qnestion ; that the restora-
tion of the Bourbons was desired, but that such object would
not be made a sine qua non of war. Neither the Government of
this country, nor the rulers of other nations, could be indifferent
to the character of the perem placed upon a throne in Europe
—it would be an abandonment of duty to be so indiflereut ;
but, on the contrary, it always had been an object with Eu-
rope, as was proved in many instances, particularly respecting
successions.—{Hear.) The Noble Lord t:arthe•r observed, that
the Whigs themselves, and surely the gentlemen opposite would
admit that Whig documents contained the purest principles of
policy.—( Hear, haw, and laughter.) Whigs themselves had ac-
quiesced in arrangements not very dissimilar fri m those respect-
ing France, particularly in the ease of the triple alliance, and
to secure a protestant succession to our throne. The object
then was, to support the triple alliance and the protestant suc-
cession M this country—and the recenteaertion a as to destroy
" military Jacobinism," and to support that choice a Mon
should afford the prospect of continued tranquillity. After an
extended detail of the several Treaties, his Lot dship concluded
with moving an Address similar to that proposed by Lord Li-
verpool in the House of Lords. (See Lords.)
Lord MILTON moved an Amendment, complaining of the
security taken tiom France, the• vast peace establishment, and
the efforts to make this a military country.
Mr. Fazakerly, Mr. Littleton, Sir J. Wintosh, and Lord
Nugent billowed. On the wotien of Mr. Tierra y, the question
was adjourned.

TUE‘DAY, FEB. 20.
Lord Lowiltrn moved for a tit'W Writ for a citizen for Ca'.
lisle, in the room of Mr. Fawea tt deceased. Ordered.

The Freehold Estates Bill %. as read 11 third time. and passed,
and Sir S. @o►uilly tinkly(' to carry the same to the Lord:,
Mr. LUSIIIINGTON 4oultglll it the S Millions Bauk LO/1D
Bill. Read a first time.
On the motion that the Kennet Canal Bill be read a second
time, . .

Mr. LOCKHART spoke against the measure, moving as an
amendment, that it be read a Second time this day six month..
Mr. Dregrxson seconded the amendment.
Mr. Gore Langton, 'Mr. Peel, Mr. Prutheroe, Mr. Gordon,
and Mr. Preston having opposed the Bill, and Mr. C. Dunelas
spoken in favour of it, the House divided on the question;
when the Bill was thrown out by a considerable majority.
Lord JOHN ltussw. asked, whether any advance on the sala-
ries of the Cuentirissionet s of Customs and Excise in London had
taken place, or was intended? His Lordship then moved for an
account of any such advance since January 1, 1515.—Ordered.
Mr. Bnotratam nude mane remarks on the patronage of the
revenue. cutters ; and desired to know under whose appoints
ment the: officers were.
The t. ii,viseuxi.ou of the I.:UHF:QUER intimated his wish that
the lion. Member would make a motion, if he desired infor-
mation on that subje ct.
Mr. Brougham moved accordingly.—Ordered.
He ULF° moved for a copy of correspondence between the
'treasury and Navy Board.--Ordered.
Sir C. Muscu observed, that though Ministers had declined
to answer questions put by other gentlemen, the Right Hon.
lieuticutan opposite might, perhaps, indulge him with an au.

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;mei to the ques...on, whether the Navy Board a:thanes had Lei
augmented, or were intended to he augmented?
The Ciitancrid.iiit of the Extinct:we:it said, that he felt it
difficult to answer the Hon. Baronet %%nitwit giving offence to
others, to whom he Mid not given the answers they desired.
Sir C. DIONCK moved for an Account of all Augmentations
of ies, ac. in the Navy Bland since January, I ,
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Mr. Buoctistam thought it right to sngjzist to Ministers, as
they refused to answer any qui stious unless they Caine in the
shape of a written motion, which was quite contrary to the
practice in the House, that the better way of stopping discus-
sions of this nature wuttid Ire to come down to the 'louse at
once with a statement of what they media to do in consequence
of tho economical reforms promised in the Speech from the
'Throne, and to tell the House %that retrenchments of useless
ex penditut e and useless place?. they proposed to leaky ; ;end to
lay betbre Parliament, from time to tone, accounts of their pro.
press in the saluthry work of public economy. Then the House
would see whether they sincerely intended to redeem the pledge
in the Prince Regent's Srech.
I.ol'd CAsTLeRRAGH said, that the legislature had certainly
not looked at this subject in the same light as the Hon. Gen-
tleman, who were putting daily so many questions ns to what
was done, or what was intended to he done, shield Was rather
a not I way of proceeding. Saw Bonne thin-rim% in the
BOIL Baronet's motion, from the terms of the question lie had
prey ionsly asked. However, as the gentlemen opposite had
so is my motions read" he congratulated them on their be-
coming such then tit business; and II y..d they would reduce
all their demands to writing, and into such a shape that the
public offices might uoileis;and how to answer them. They
seemed disposed untidily to inter that, because one salary was
augmented. others were not to be rethrined. Wherever there
had n„en an increase of salary, it had not oven for sinecures,
or useless or trivial places, Out in offices of the mo ,t laborious
nature, and more patient.; rly these involved in the inure etfi-
dent collection of the reveime. lie must agi.in deprecate this
practice of asking so many unnecessary questions.—(Hear,
hear.)—An Hon. Member opposite, whn cheered so loudly,
was not the most expel fenced hleother of the House; but Lis
Lordship would even .e for to his experienee in Parliament on
this point. Let these questions come as niuthms on paper. He
did nut wish to deny any necessary infomation.
Mr. Buoccitast said, that ii they waited; for the view of
economical reform proposed by Ministers, they might wait till
after the job was dune, and then they would be stopped iu their
objects by veined interests, of which persons w,aldaity, like
Lord Arden, they are our freeholds.
Lord i,:asmarsanii remarked on the 'Lactation of activity
displayed fur the piddle interest. • .
Mr. HORNER said, the Noble Lord had spoken on these sub-
jects in a tone to %shills that House was not acensunned. fie
thought, that no Member, whether opposing or supporting go-
vernment measures, must not feel on such a sub leo, when the
public were ground down by distresses, and when cement)
had been promised from the throne. Indeed. on these subjects
the Noble lord used, nightly, language which the house ought
not to receive, and which was unsuitable to the character of
a British Minister in the House of Commons. At one time,
when they heard of the urgent impottance of reducing the
taxes, not the hunse, butt the people, were insulted by such lan-
guage as this, to use the Noble Lord's own words—"that there
was an ignorant impatience for the relaxation of taxation."
Again, in the grave discussion of the treaties, in a debate which
his Lordship began, lie took the liberty of supposing the argu-
ments, and anticipating the opinions of others. On the lutriect
of finance he showed the sane disrespect. 1J:-parting twin
his Usual metaphorical stateliness or style, he observed, with
indifference, that he supposed the question would be about
the money. What hope could the House see of the redemption
of the Royal pledge ? The Noble Lord said, " Write out the
motion ;.' but lie knew the putting a queAum was a different
thing from making motion, particularly as to objects suppos-
ed to be in contemplation. Did be %appose they had all for-
gotten whatever they bad known of parliamentary practice?
While he (Mr. H.) sat there, he would use his priviiege of
asking questions, whenever he believed it to be the intention
of Ministers to increase their patronage. If they refused to
;limner, the House and the Cowry would not fail to under-
stand the reason. If the Noble Lord had a satisfactory answer
to gist', hue would make no denial. But then all that was
wanted was, it seemed, provided for by an Act of Parliament.
The statement was to be made on the loth March. But what
does the Act provide for, except that no session shall elapse
without such statement of reductions and increase being made?
The Noble Lord felt that this qtitstiou of money must be a
must important topic throughout the Session. It would appear,
from various circumstances, that, though the throne promised
economy, the Ministers were superfluously .acreasing salaries
which had already been raised on account of the dearness of
the necessaries of life. It' they had increased the salaries Of
the Tax-board, he should move tbr lie accounts. If he should
hear that au application is making iron the Stamp-office fur
is similar increase, he should ask the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer for information.
Lord ('ASTLEREAGH rose. (Cries if spoke, spoke, from the
opposite benches.)
Mr. FITZGERALD hoped gentlemen would redeem their own
characters when they called upon his Noble Friend, lie
thought the Hots. Member who spoke last, could not, after
What he It ul said, be one whq would wish to preclude his
Noble Friend from eXplanatiou. They had a voused the Noble
)..ord of taunting and disrelseetful conduct ;and the Hun.
Member had endeavoured to found Isis char4e..not on tiro-
mews, but on more expressions; yet he manifested strongly the
itiformality of his own proceedings. lie described govern-
inent as employed in raising salaries anti augmenting expense's.
As to the various requests made, however, if gentlemen were
disappointed at not receiving answers to them all, they had
still the power of making their respective motions.
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that his Hun. Friend who had
cheered, was nut so experienced a Member as himself, merely
because he (Mr. 'l'.) had the misfortune to be by so many
-years an older man. He had never kuown Mr. Pitt, e;ci.
when in the plentitude of his power, decline answering a tad
questiou. 11 lieu it regarded a nastier in contemplation, mane
little time might be required. But the Chancellor of mite Ex-
chequer would not now say ay or no to a plain question. See
the difficulties this led to, which heated gentlemen's minds.
His Hon. Friend was in the n ight, it' those opposite would stack
to form, his friends might do su too, and stay, " pus shall not
speak twice." W ell might his lion. Frieuel suspect that there
was something wrong -at bottom, when a Minister refused to
give an alisacr; inure particularly so if it were the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, who used its be so fair and candid, that ht
suspected he must have lately fallen into some strange com-
pany. He (Mr. T.) should make a suction, but he was not
bound to w rite out his own motion. He should therefore apply
to the clerk fin- dust purpose. He then dictated slowly and
aloud to the clerk. his intruded motion.- That as aceouttt tie
laid Mime the Rouse, showing the jUdglueld.or the offiters
of different devil tinent-, with respect to bow HMOs sooner