The Sun.
London, England, 1855-05-25 00:00:00

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itltst who objected to war in the abstract, he confessed he
toerety° aYmPathy for those who denounced
hthade war for
l'1) Yit bales, fcmmercial purposes. (Ch
those who would suffer insult to the country, if
.resistance they diminished the salesii of their cotton
awllie did not believe in a calico mi eniurn.. (Cheers
WotarPter.) It was upon a Christian principle that he
tat b..,gclend- the weak against the strong ; and he did
of Clitate to record his vote in favour of the resolutions
1113 right hon. friend the member for Buckinghamshire.
mightW,ILRINSON was of opinion that the present war
"" a
Peace,ea extent be ascribed to the impression
tort",.the party hail contrived to convey to the late
oggr-e;°4l. °f Russia that this country would not resist his
her for He thought the motion of the right hon. mem-
ever .er Manchester (Mr. Gibson) the most mischievous
t
ho inserted on the journals. The resolutions of the.righ
opinionember for Bucks were calculated fairly to elicit the
their
of
, the house ; but as they unfortunately had. for
Were „euiect to damage the Government, who, in his view,
tsett"°t amenable to blame, he should vote for the amend-
, .
Ihe
ao• Marquis of GRA.NBY thought they ought to in-
-ire whe
agg,,,n . the? the intentions of Russia had really been of an
abiZsive character. Ever since the treaty of Adrianople,
ace,„„was signed 26 years ago, Russia had had the power,
Plea,„,',lng to Lord Aberdeen, to march at any time she.
sow; " neon Teheran on the one side, or upon Con. stanti
ah the other. Had she done so? It was said that
' tharld been biding her time, and that it was not till 1853
stet a'.,.,e hid found herself in a position to take the decisive.
1,4 i, lout the Times newspaper last year declared that if
40p1;41, Peter Nicholas had sent 20,000 men to Constanhis-
rabigi,„'lte day after Prince Mentchikoff returned from his
hot eu no Might have taken the city. •Why, then, did
he
114(lic2bna°,1 Fronithe report of Sir Hamilton Seymour.,
ltettchro troops disposable for the expedition. Prince
writir, oir left on the 21st of May, and Count Nesselrede,
the tlg ten days later to Reschid Pach_ a., assured him that
ttco 'Peter had no intention of making war on the Sul-
WBtahnd that push war would be repugnant to him. That
e
third reason why he did not take Constantinople. The
416(11)(4'4 aimed at two objects. The first was to attach
br -domin
-c4mpire more close to the balance of power,
thatt°l3ffications of the existing ly
treaties ; and it appeared
Pcsitile Russian Government had assented to that pro-
Itippo. only it had refused to enter into a guarantee to
'''he thi'Athat arrangement by arms. The second part of
',tug; -1(1. Point was the limitation of the preponderance of
kvi 'a in the Black Sea. Now, he did not think that we
Ill'reatithYa illere right to say that Russia should not build
port - a certain number of ships in her own orts than
at to limit the number we might choose topconstruct
lle,,,!toonth or Sheerness. But Russia had offered to
lttion'ue Dardanelles to be opened to ships of war of all
4 th-'' the Sultan having power to close them whenever
Pre,°llglit there was danger And who objected to that
qorsal The Turkish minister himself. The Russian
thatTueent alsa made a second proposition, to the effect
(14slhileehilliaole:eleack Sea should be closed, but that the Sultan
a' 'are Power to open the Dardanelles on giving five
of his intention; and Austria had declared that
Ae,t, in that offer elements for renewed negotiations. If
illool-da tiumght ',there were elements for negotiations, why
4044 lino t tbi,
,i country consider'Austria's propositions? The
ii)el,sit' na' beenhe told that Austria had actually made a pro-
'," hioen- ' us trusted that before the close of that debate
"4ain -Be would. know what that proposition was. He was
lie ,;-,7 for peace, provided it were but just and honourable,
Illetiirett% heard with regret upon that occasion men who
,Noir,Peace stigmatised as not caring for the honour of
'144 • -antrY• He however believed that there was no
hot magi
tl4llthat house who desired peace on any other than
p'able terms (Hear.) At the same time, he thought
eory-ngiand shOtild not remain at war an hour after
liwere:isential end had been gained ; she was too great a
tial • Lo be influenced p,e ;pet,
end
rinehntc.edby aught else than what was
Whatessen-
we believed to be right that
to could maintgain but we ought not to allow ourselves
!;,)t wcept in a state' of war by it being said that we had
the °sett Sebastopol, or we had not obtained possession of
s'f Oot-41°n„,m°a• What was desirable was this, that the Househ
t d should declare what was right and just ; upon
toee Es
claration it was for the executive to act. It was
fll,44l)l4ollfatich considerations as these that he felt himself
ee re ° agree with the motion of his right hon. friend
UN aluber for Bucks (Mr. Disraeli). His right hon.
aZia.b., Raid that h desirous of shutting the door
tsitc fonrefotiation.e He could not agree
.with that pro-
1, Pat i 13,Y so doing he thought a great difficulty would
"al the' 140 way of a safe and honourable peace. Nor
'title ,tt all--by votin for the motion, he would be weak-
Nblialag'e hands of hergMa'esty's Government, and so di-
u ing their influence 3 throughout Europe. Such a
Proes'llld, he feared be disa. strous to this country, by
It is-ggiti Ltt the contest in which it was engaged, and he felt
tikllthiloZ,,therefore, to vote against the motion of his
4 qr. It • friend
;n.°4; 1)11ILLIMORE said that it was his intention
'ige IT .4' the motion of his hon. friend the member for
l'i'l IRlltletsit of Oxford (Sir W. Heathcote) ; and be-
e f/- -aat y doing taking an unpopular course,
ow sit it , in so he was
thin
,n'i:luty to state to the house his reasons for so
I,fl nieti4-o°_, aeon. memberfor w Lambeth had objected to
he s for the vigorous pro-
},earn War ut.
thebecause he said
Le ' were war but those wthhoatwethreat
anxious
°she should
th,Drtsee., not the less desirous
that
peace could not be
Pil"iaeci :led with vigour_ i
4211islopy safe and hofnourahle terms. He (Mr.
144epoicz) could not agree with the noble lord who had.
til et'as t
, when he said that Russia intended niideedth ianatghhetetohmat
" illa h to act honourably by Turs.r
tillite i', °rtant details furnished by H. Seymour had
liar'', 4 t'ased of any doubt which imight have existed
as a
s believedthat
in that awt h
ithere
we
wereeve r
Warpeal Present
so just and necessarys
d. as
was not a friend to
ll,i'taBia, rbeil'ent mome
luttoent7io° liberty and glory of England,
'ißtie4)tt'a t libaerftryienand that glory should be founded on
kr ,
141. ti:I4DSTONE said, that although he agreed with
t liartsentiments which had fallen from his hon. and
~ t •
..-"uM..riend in his able speech, yet, considering the
T km. qt,
11 'kkk ' which remained to discuss a question of such
la\t:ll,,tit. might be for the convenience of the house if
(4. tliNtiecrlf°l in the debate, rather than wait until a
ite,tle,.4ilet,..ko evening. Whatever might be thought
ri,ho,'lbersi b'l,'l, they must all admit that they had a
111'; IrD°. , ,„1,4 of fare.' There was first the motionof the
itiaei,j;siblever7,"'etlan the member for Bucks—a distinct,
4%-lti it 4 -i'e et. want of confidence, with a somewhat
~.,i4te rti'-,,4.0f the* feeble declaration • with regard to thme pcloosteo-
"glit -"oah ``rar• Then came the amendment made
ta hot 3' the •
f d in a speech of
Neill niiitcrielid
trihgehtmhoomnbmeremfobrecor
xfoorrPotrtsmouth. His
°r kn rn" ',.., moved amendment to the motion of the
the '‘ude; --i'teeor for Portsmouth, and the hon. I'l2"ln°-
till: 11.1,adiali.tister completed the question by movingmaar.
lie 11,`Lteacill,see'it. which arrived at giving a decided
theeßgad ~,,;'`,a decided pacific, aspect to their,dpolicy.
of the • it ~,„(uPactilty in determining which. he honld
Na,, tight 11:41n3Possible for him to vote for the motion
• gentle ailire". member forßucks, because the uncertain
tits etaaa 0 nhiguotio language of which the right hon.
ofd4 'lst hei°rPlained were chiefly the result of n gotia-
ttil4tY oil the at an end. It would have been a violatione
%111:1Platlat!' P:lrt of the Government if they had given
the; Re didl"B before the time for such explanations
moat''irii for not agree \v.* the right lion. gentleman that
4o4ti, lif,urther- negotiation had passed away, on the
tAi°PPort..49.elt that, according to their latest information,
lioety,
of nity h
,i 4.4, ad arisen of a probability, if not of a cer-
li_piZe,er, j'""tsg an end to the horrors of war. He • had,
ite Zettleeeti gratified with the declaration of the right
ilot,,lle i4,,.11----. declaration which, representing as he
toll: 44 i -11si&rable amount of opinion—might come to
mein t)ftit'prta.nt and beneficial influence on the future
it. Zetr ~ 18,, great empire. The motion of the right hon._
Cjxle gaiii.-°t .ili-t ortsmouth was open to the same charge of
eL:eicle,iY,,,,,t It had been made against the Government.
Liaacter:k, tllts frankness of the right hon. gentleman's
Naltalotion, could not impute to him that he
.had framed
'let Nay to ea
unite persons holding opinions diametrically
sin p,eatio eash oth.er. Ho liked the speech of the right
iit,, that he an very well, for the right hon. gentleman
11,otiati wishe d the house to declare its regret that the
lititi' Nltlilea 4t Vienna had not yet led to peace. If thepghot.
„, 1,,e._
,naan NVO old only introduce the word
." yet' into _
Qll°4 hu,utn'ent there would be no great difference f
hela,t he -,, meat
the •ht ho gentleman and himself.
ioth"eiha,-",Plained of in then.msotion of the right hon.
tt I.,.iteatioja', that it spoke of the negotiations or com-
ti4') 4 11"116,4' having passed away. He thought the aspect
of e, 0i,27;1•,--en• frierrd's (Sir F. Baring) amendment was
1,411 ho'2l,e than pacific. As
iegarded the amendment
t,„\te), t,". friend the member for Kidderminster (Mr.
rate) thnt was clear and intelligible; and he (Mr. Glad-
poet
i'll eou,,u,lit that nothing but a clear and explicit decla-
e,litut to ba made on this subject. It was well to
oet• etc th
Ire 10, 6 latest moment any interference with the
its a°' the Government but the house would detract
ti,,IL teig_nitY if it consented to a doubtful mode of au-
%ill Was 0 was, therefore, glad that his hon. friend's %-
lit tl,dytie4ar and intelligible ; but he also objected t h
tli[tr fact ' bSsause, first, it contained an untrue to his
it, the , which it purported to maintain. It recital
Is ttillce ortl,ference at Vienna had failed, in co
I's'. etl inference
refusal by Russia to limit her power
' th ack Se
ktid e h a. When any motion was brought he-
ti 14e lb" Sea its terms ought to be strictly correct ;
441'4 f,,,°,riglat the terms of his hon. friend's motion
li,-,",t'rirt'in.l that condition, because, though it was true
14 tl,'t th-,e,e,q, ertschakoff said be had no instructions to
"t III" 1.13 naval r of Russia should be restricted
, -tlf ack Q power
tsitlsetene. .ea ; yet, at a subsequent meeting of the
It %vger eci,,,,0 was evident that the point was reserved for
Att,:4 noc'atueration. With that record before the house,
SOIL Pt t,,'enaistent with dry and bare matter of fact, to
11% `441•-„ T. aintain that Russia had declined to entertain
ktti't Th-`1 ,act, refused to limit her power in the Black
4'4 :,„the t:•4'endment of his bon. friend would be t
Dreet,"`trney,4. trine snore warlike. He maintained that the
°Ff,,4e(i, iil-"" °I his hon. colleague (Sir W. Ileathcote) ex-
Nbed by tie mildest terms, that the opportenity nay:
to i'owl%t they
Pre!ent negotiations, or communications, h
t thNe th uteY might, should not be lost, but they should
NO ai,)
te Ineans to bring about terms for the settlement
iti,i'4fir fo at Py dispute. The right hon. gentleman, the
tiett tb, t ;!6uckinghamshire, by a strange oblivion, h!id
oitr"•a°t. • t!'he first and second points were totally bull.'
km, thie they were matters about which Russia -did not
1' ela I were therefore concessions of no moment, and,
414t14;°13rder to secure the neutrality of Austria ana
41,1'.14tItilIg• these concessions.
a month ago Russia was not d. esirous
10 cly concessions. Indeed, at that time she
tt he
of the ei.used these concessions ; and what was the
the"e li • right hon. gentleman then ? Why he pointed
at, lime
of the mouth of the Danube as, one among
a.t, yet
Ac t. bi„,„„ unforeseen, results of the contest.
t of ii,I'AELI explained that he thought this was not a
ttririr. o,l"unculty.
4 . 't,it 4`'3)STor•TE
t'lap ,so 4 from accepted the explanation, and he quite
suit to b the rit hon. gentleman that he did not deem
1144::.8bitt:;:i-rtnicieet"e funsimportance. Well, then, of the four
''a"iietl's fe,"v° first were completely settled, and the reason
Point had I(jaisdeanot been decided was simply be-
d. It was proposed for discus-
IN`lesirelhe Western Powerssse objected to enter upon it; but
t,,,, lieth. Without fear of contradiction, to state that there
itt:74.:ttiltmgrreienfca t_t he _ea , fto:rth point to prolong the war. The third
tl) , Bicha the difficult It iht b d'vided into two parts,
a territorial guarantee of Turkey, and
tilu iibie-.lazi, ,Lreu to. the preponderance of power b Russia
p, t t, the 11.-'4* With regard to the former, ho wouldy. not
„.",a Ile re,, T',eo• Then, the only question remaining was,
'le ',., The lAt'lng• the preponderance of power in the Black
Itk'snile, Allies Proposed a plan for putting an end to that
Itki, the e„.anes• Russi•
th 11,,,,restion of
bef
thei: Z
thbaci gar f the proposedl.louase..
a first and second method,
difference
Hetbeween these various proposals
would remind the house that
ti." a s pri .ar to pledge the country in the face of Europe
1-.1; , k‘f te2slle laid down' in these negotiations was a ques-
e. ,;;6t.tie l'asts, which he would proceed to examine. He felt
: ail- Of the proposition of Russia would be to leave the
tae s,ti a °N-ernment more free to deal with the question
lit th 'Pirit as th •
b re ose N.„h they might think prudent. He. was
.not
et • "4 pou • . ° were prepared to disavow or to shrin.k
warm,no
it tholiaa his sibilities connectedwith the origin of this
t ~,,DsiliPlitio.n. it was difficult to overstate the weight of
Abilities and the amount of physical and moral