The National Register.
London, England, 1818-02-09 00:00:00

INCOME TAX.

Mr. BROUGHAM wished to be informed whether measures
had been taken for removing all vestiges of the Income Tax.
The CHANCELLOR of the Excumiumt said, he felt plea.
sure in having it now in his power to give satisfactory infor-
mation upon the subject. A circular letter had been sent to
the Commissioners of the Income Tax, desiring that they
should destroy all papars having reference to this Tax, such
only excepted as were necessary to be retained until such
time as the accounts of the Receiver General were settled.

PROSECUTION OF MR. HONE.
Mr. W. 81111111, preparatory to his intended motion for
leave to bring in a bill to correct ex. informations, wow.
ad for an accouot of the sums paid by Mr. Hone at the Crown
Office, for copies of the informations filed against him, under
what authority they bad been demanded, and to what use
they had been applied.
Ihe Arreassv Gewitam. opposed the motion, as there
was nothing new in the case to which it related, and all that
was demanded, was already known. He moved the previous
question, which, after some observations from Sir F. Burdett,
Lord Castlereagh and others, was carried.
Lord G. BIIRESFORD, ou the part of the Prince Regent,
acknowledged the Address of Condolence, and thanked the
House for the same.

LUNATIC ASYLUMS IN SCOTLAND.
Lord BINNING moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the
erection of distinct Lunatic Asylums in Scotland. He should
only move then that the Bill be read a first time and be
printed, and should postpone further proceedings till after
Easter.

The Bill was thee read a first tine, and ordered to lie oa
the table.

Mr. Hine= moved for as account of all the pensions and
retired salaries which bad beeu bestowed on persons who
bad been employed in the Tax Office, distinguished those
persons who held separate situations.—Ordered.
Mr. Bauman presented a petition signed by 1 inha-
bitants of Liverpool praying for Perliamentary Reform.--
Ordered to lie on the table.
Sir H. PARNELL presented a pedtien from the High She-
riff and Grand Jury of the Queen's County, complaining of
the too frequent use of the military in the enforcement of the
civil law. lie observed that it was a very great grievance,
and one which called for the Interference of the House in
the most pressing manner.
Mr. Pm was convinced the House would perceive that
there was no necessity of entering Into the merits of the
question at that moment. Al the same lime he would say,
and he knew he would be borne out in the assertion by every
gentle., an who knew any thing of the affairs of Ireland, that
there was no period when the ill te airtime of the military was
'cascaded for or leas used titan within the last two or three
years.
bit. V. FITZSERALD agreed perfectly with his Hon. Friend
(Mr. Peek) that there had never been less use or less call
ter the screico of the army than withiu the last two or three
years. His lion. Friend had introduced a regulatiou re-
specting the police, which bad been followed in several
baronies, and though the expenses of that police had been
levied on those baronies, yet such was the satisfaction of the
inhatedants at the safety and protection tiny received, that
they had expressed their readiness and even pleasure, to pay-
ing the expenses thus incurred.
Sir W. livaitorGus thought, that too great precaution
could not betaken against employing the military in die ex-
ecution of the civil law. The gentlemen on the other side
of the House, taking credit to theutselvea for having re:touted
from using them lately uu welt occasions, throe u io the
House, that it was not unusnal to have Mein employ salter that
purpose. He thought the petition demanded very great atten-
tion. •

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The pctitiou was brought up and road, and ordered to
on thy table.

Mr. 111tOODEN brought up the Report of the Committee o 4
Supply, which was agreed to. • •
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The usual Estiinates for the year were thee read and!
agreed to.
Mr. V. FITZOIRALD moved the third tetiblritof the Irish,
Grand Jury Presentment Suspension Hill, and
Sir H.PAIINELL spoke a few wurds,after which the bill was
read a third time and passed.—Adjourned.

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powers as the Honnur,u/iike,OeutlepaspAllejled to,Oeitiot items
cenfear'ed oo augi.inctslOns- _L, ;,
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neative ? Am I eu unditrad litse
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replied iu the tieu4tivoi .1
SLAVE.TRADIts•
Dr. Putt:Amu* moved' fora retttritif aIF veisets engaged
in the slave-trade zaptinted,4y,Dritklv chips, end, hrought
under the view of hlns Ceurt,tif Adniteatty in thii country;
since the Ist of Jaausty;:llll, *tie. olio the'nuMbet of Oros'
vessels restored,!the usatbertif ICeirdeluned, end the anodic!
still pending; teethes-with in Atcount,:af slaves found in
each vessel. Ordered. The House adjourned et, billtintli
six o'clock. t
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Rev4NUE.
In amen to e question trdm Mr. Cumin, the Chancellor of the
Exchequer stated that en comparison Of the debt incurred last year
and the debt paid off, there was a balance of more than 8.000.000 in
favour of' the country.

Mr. al. A. TAYLOR, preparatory to a motion, which in should
submit on the 17th of February, for holding Amazes in the Northern
Countits twice a year, moved for copies of the calendets of prisoners
in the counties of Westmoreland, Cumberland, Northumberland,
and Durham, for the last 40 years, with the dates of their respective
comniitals, and the number of acquittals; as likewise the number of
causes during the same period. Ordered.
Mr. GREN 4. ELL. on occasion of bringing up the Report of the
Committee of Supply, rose to make some observations on the trans-
actions with the Barak. h had appeared, that iti the year 1816 the
Bank had 11.000,0001. of the public money. For that sum they lent
5,000,0001. They indeedient 9,000,0001. eta percent. He would sup.
pose that the rate of interest was then 5 per cent. The 1 per cent.
then constituted a bonus of 60,000 L The trouble and experase of the
Bank were said to beentided to remuneration. Was there a banker
who would not say that he should be well paid for all this trouble and
expense by 20,0001.? But we allowed more than half a million.—
(Hear, hear.) Were die finalizes of the country ins state to warrant
such profusion ? Was the condition of the people, groaning under
the pressure of taxation, such as rendered this subject as unworthy of
consideration ? (Hear, hear.) He trusted the Right Honourable
Gentleman would not knititiir arrears against the Bank to the paltry
sum of 3,000,11001.
The Cliastcottoe of the Excnrount replied, that at present
the rate of interest was higher than the Honourable Gentlaned had
stated. e sum now in question was employed to pay off a debt
they owe to the Bank.
COMMITTEE ON THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY.
Lord C4BTLEREAOH, in moving that the papers laid en the table
by commend of his Royal Highness be referred to • Secret Cannirne.
He admitcd that a bill of Indemnity might be necessity, end would
be called fur ; but it did not erne, and gonna intended les solmslVool
the papers on the table. It was not consistent with the pubik safety,
and with the security of individuals who had been called rpm to act
fbr the public safety, that the masons and circumstances oithele con-
duct should be disclosed. It was, therefore, necessary that Ministers
should have a bill of Indemnity, to preclude them from heiog obliged
to defend themselves in in Courts of Justice against every ladividisal
who might complain of the conduct which they had felt to be tweet.
nary for the public safety. An Indemnity was therefore necessary
on abstract ground.
Mr. TIERNEY ridiculed the course which Ministers were persu-
ing. He contended that the manner in which the papers had been
brought into the House was altogether whitens a parrallel. No iUes.
sage had accompanied them to inform the House on the nature of
their contents.—lndemnity. he admittal, might be sometimes netts
airy. But in the present instance, the Secretary for the Home De-
partment, or rather the administration, the he was only their
organ. had been guilty of unwarrantable severity. (Hear, hear.)—
I They had taken up no leaders, no persons connected with any dis-
tinguisind or opulent families; but they deter .a drag-net over certain
counties, and sastal all within their grasp. lie had read every word
of the Derby trials with the greatest care, and hie labour was indeed
amply rewarded by the great and splendid abilities of one of the
counsel for the prisoners, his Learned Friend Mr. Denman. There
it appeared that .linisters, to speak in the gentlest terms of their
conduct, had let the thing go too far, when it was in their power to
stop it. There was some alarm last year; Nit the alarm newt did
require a Suspension of the Habeas Corpus. Rut if any one thing
disgusted the nation, whatever might have been their bleu of danger,
or of the suspension—if any one fluty, disgusted the nation more than
another, it was the public boast which referred to the agency of inter-
nal scoundrels who incited the people to rebellion. Ministers had a
right tops infuniettion ; but to employ persons who, by their law-
watery language, excited to the very ails which ought to have beer.
prevented. aunt then to drier the unhappy victims ~t their delusion to
the seraffuld, tinned a mass of utrucious villainly whit:hum-sr emitted
the annals of the country before. tII ear, hear.)
Mr. B. HATlit'itsT begged to remind the Right honourable Gen-
tleman that he had himself heal one of the administration that
brought thrward a similar mea.tire in (sot ; and although a night.
Honourable I:entletnan then eppused it, it passed. The Committee
were not humid to report 111VOrtling to the pleasure of al inject ; the
words were .• to report as it shall appear to them, to the House.'"Che
Right Honourable Gentleman had recount: again to the old argu-
ment, that none of the higher.ranks luv.l been iiiiplicm.ed in suspicion.
This had not been 'trete:ideal du the moons of both .HOeites they
were described in middle maks, Istwer classes, or some such terms.— -
Ministers had a right to refer to whet had been prevented, as well as
what had been resisted. As to spies, the Govanment might throw
the odium upon inferior magistrate* who sent their informations to
them. There was a great mass of people whose object was nut only
any particular reform, but the overthrow of the Government. This
was explained and proved in seven instances ; but the Right lion.
Gentleman had no other memory of these but the abilities of one of
the counsel. All were convictml upon trial, or confessed their guilt.
They had expected support from varimn parts of the country, and
that aupeart was prevented by the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus.
Thom talus up in other places were the leaders, =coding to the in-
formation of tho,e locally best acquainted with them. It had been
sold that a Committee by ballot was appointed by the Treasury. The
Right Honourable Gentlemen had traduced persona alluded to, in
language not Parliamentary, and particularly if he alluded to a per-
sons to whom he supposed allusion to have been made. That persons
had excited to no improper act, and done no harm, but he had done
much good to the public.
Mr. DOWALAS entered his solerturprctestagainst the form of pro-
cowling which it now appeared tabs the mention of Ministers to
adopt. He held it to be equally disissisiii aid &caulk! to the
character of the House of Cowman% old Its wassails a idiot wins
the whole conduct of Minimsniespeetingoba harmamembencer.
Sir S. HOMILLY believed that the peepoond "Meet
or=tilag
• Ina quite unprecedented, aid though at tunes adeglit any .
direct message from the Crown. never. except is aosiropiadis of '
some precautionary legislative mormares. Now they had the highest
I authority for knowing, that no such onsanres were intended. for they
had been declared w be unnecessary in the speech of the Lads Cam-
mistime's, representing the Crown on opening the present seniort
of Parliament. The only object, then, of apponiting the Committee
must be to lay the ground work of a bill of Indemnity, which it was
felt must necessarily be preceeded by at least the appearance of an
inquiry, in the present state of public opinion. The house should
recollect the responsibility which inch-owed to its constituents, and
not be deiuded into a belief that a ballot was proposed for my oCier
pitiatite than fur ..enuring a bill of Indemnity. The commun anu
doemt forms of the Home were
,abandoned. when Ministers, w'ises
conduct alone was in
.question, were themselves m sleet the jitit,.2a
of it. ire as, 'summed to hear the Hight Ilii,;iulrable Gentleman
assert, that the trials at Demy hail fully established the neres-ity
the S3spensiou Act; for if there was one dung more reinalkaide than

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another in the course of those trials, it was, that the counsel for th!
Crown studiously avoided. although challenged to it by the prisoners
counsel, to say one word about the origin of the conspiracy, or in dis-
proof of the allegation of its having been caused by the Agentsof
Government. In adopting the proposed plan of proceeding a most
dowses crimple would for the first time be established under the
regeboy of his Royal Highness ; and if its evil tendencies were not
coneaud by Parliament, it might, at no aryl distant day.
rnatenally &awe the constitution, and with it, the character of
Englishmen for ever. He should only add, that there war no mason
whatever for secrecy at presents and drat the only object, therefore,
of a Secret Com mitsee must be to procure a bill of Indemnity.
Mr, Pamirs observed. that one of the charges against the dis-
affected was, that they laboured to bring the House of Commons into
content( t ; but nothing could so effectually reduce them In the. pub-
lic opinion as the partial election of a tribunal which was constituted
for such a purpose es that under consideration.
bfr. C. W. Writs( in an able speech defended the Conduct of
Ministers. not only under the Suspension but in the course now pro-
posed to be adopted.
Sir W. Bututooana anadmadverted in strong terms to the con-
duct of Ministers. and expressed himself decidedly hostile to the pre-
sent measure.
Sir J. SEIIILIOLIT thought there wain° discontent or distutbmnee
in the country. which might not have been checked by the ordinary
powers of the law. arid the ordinary vigour of the magistrates. The
events, in his opinion, did not at all justify the extraordinary remedy
which had been resorted to. (Hear.)
Mr. ELLISON. adverting to what had been said about the con-
' fission of one of the Derby convicts, said, that what Brandied' had
mentioned about Oliver in his dying moments, was a gross false-
hood put into his mouth, which wan believed to be false by all whi
heard him. He could state, that in the quarter from which he can
eminaties had been sent from Derby and Nottingham to disturb
quiet people of his neighbourhood. The suspension act was, in his
opinion, perfectly jtstified ; but if Ministers could not now make out
a good case of justification as to the exercise of the discretionary pflw •
err intrusted to them, he pledged himself that he would vote against
them. When every thing pious and religious was attacked, he
could not but protest against such stuff, such trash, and such non-
sense.

Mr. Saviu.6 censidded the country as much improved since laet
year. in its commercial, agricutural, and manufacturing interests,
but he could not altogether give the ministers credit for its ameliora-
tion. The hints, the strong hints which they had received from par-
liament, induced them to adopt the measures of economy and retrench-
ment, which had boon so successful.
Mr. FORBES did not think that the measures which his Majesty's
ministers had adopted had been by any means uncalled for or urine-
cesaary, though he considered that some different use might bare
been made of them.
The question was then put and agreed to. as were the questions
that the Committee should be one of secrecy. and should consist of t I
members.

On the question that the Committee should be appointed by ballot,
Mr. BROUGHAM again opposedthe course of proceeding.
The House the a divided. For the ballot, It/L.—Against it, 29.
Majority for Ministers, il. Adjourned.

Fs /DAT.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The CHANCELLOR of the ExestE Qt) ER moved the order of the
day for going into the Committee of Ways and Meow. lie after-
terwarda moved that the Speaker should leave the chair, on which
he rose to propose the usual and annual grants, and a further great
for the rep/acuig of Exchequer Bills. He moved a Resolution in
the Commutee to grant the annual duties on land and malt. amount.
hag to 5,000,0(101.
Mr. 'lleum r remarked. that it appeared that the Grant requi-
site would amount to 33.000.0001
The CHANCELLOR of the F:XCHEQUER said he should propene
a vote of 304000,0001. to xylem Exchequer Bills.
Mr. TIERNEY was dewtous to know what were the reasons fur
considering that the sum of 30.000,0e01. would be sufßeitnt ? Also
whether the 6,non,Otxd. to tie Bank were to be raid otF in money so
The eitAricrxxon of the EXCHEQUER had not the sinalksS
hesitation in declaring. that it was the intention of his Majesty's
Nlini-ters that the repayment to the Bank of the lo4n of n„tgat.ot 01.
should be made in money, and not in Eeelaquer
hear.).—Upon the other more general subject which had been ad-
verted to. although not now before the House, he was desirous of
making one or two observations. If it should become necessary to
propose to Parliament the postponement of the iesumption of rash.
payments, it would not be from any purpose of consulting the con-
venience of Government but would, be submitted on grounde per-
fectly distinct.
Mr. 'Flynt:ex thought the Rt. Ikm. Gentleman's exrlanati• .11
perfectly satisfactory as fur as related to repayment of the (4t0n0,(4,.1.
in money to the Bunk, because it would enable the Bank to do what
in his opinion they ought to do-. talon: the amount of their il66Ur* ;
but lie hod witnessed with great dismay, the sort of levity a ith
which the Right Hon. Gentleman tr.uted the very serious geminate,
whether the Bank was to return to its vgulur payments this year or
the next.

Mr. F. Lute:Ascii& he inept avow himself to be extremely an slow
to see the circulating medium of the country replaced as soon as pee•
Bible on its only secure bseis.
Lord Casr Lent:sun said, that it would affonl the utmost sa.
tisfaction, end, be might be allowed to say, it would constitute a
triumph to his Majesty's Ministers, to witness the resumption of
cash payments by the Bank but they had another duty to lereoety,,
the duty of defending and promoting the commercial interests of the
country.
M. IiASIMERPLEY thought it might prevent much delusion, and
serve to check those transactions which were now going on to an
alarming extent, if the Noble Lord would distinctly declare that the
provision of the treaty of 1814 constituted no guarantee to subse-
quent speculators in the funded moperty of Frar.tc.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, the debut which were due by the
French Government at the period of the treaty of peace of 1814
British creditors, arose out of a confiscation of British property early
in the preceding war, in contravention of an article of the treaty if
Amiens. The case of these creditors was entirely different from
that of persons speculating in the public funds of another country,
who had not the remotest claim upon the security of this governmen:.
lie was anxious that it should be understood that the interests of
such persons could not be made a national object without the most
ruinous political consequences.
The Resolutions wets then read and agreed to; the Report to be re-
ceived on Monday.
BALLOT. _ - - -

Mr.l3noonrerr. brought up the report of the Committee which had
been appointed early in the evening to scrutini.to the lists of names
for serving on the Committee of Secrecy. wl!en it appealed that iLe
election had fallen on the foSowing et I,ii n4-is
Lord Milton, Lord G. Cavendish, Lord Castlereagh, Lord Lasrelles,
Right MOO. C. B. Bathurst, Hon. W. lanihe, Sir A. l'ii4got, Mr.
C. W. Wynne. Sir W. Scott Sir J. Nicholl. The Attorney-General.
Tass•Soliator•General, Mr. Canning. Hon. C. Yorke, Mr. W.. r_
Oaf. Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Bootle Wilbraham, Mr. W. Dun..,
Site R.Pael. Sir W. Curtis, Admiral Frank.
Sir M. W.Il IllL EY reinarked, that his :mtge Friend
Caviaidish, was at a considerable distance, and in eircumet • • !.;
made it impmsible rim him to attend. Ile wished ti. 1. •
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arly objection was fe:t to the nomination of Mr.
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1 ord CASTLLREAG I I apprehended that .
reeding perfectly 'neon Asn•nt watt die tn,..ur.
by. ballot The noble lord, whose • • ....vs-sr
milt of view a most prupe' person to .•)•• . • • t• '
bably as such, hod been elected.
Tile-(incstifin. that tl.o cm, •• .•: t ;•
day), on. then rallied...
o• the c.Al,lll:tt.t.
of, ao eic 'now.' .

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