The Sun.
London, England, 1855-05-17 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, MAY 17, 1855.

• IMPERIAL. PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
(Continued from our impression of yesterday.)
OR URCH RATES ABO LITION BILL.

Lord PALMERSTON said that he fully concurred
with those who had expressed their opinions that it was
most desirable the question should be settled, but it was
one thing to express a feeling or wish that a great ques-
tion should be settled, and another either to form in one's
own mind the mode by which a satisfactory settlement
could be obtained, or to adopt at once any proposal pro-
fessing to settle the question. The statements made by
hon. members, both in favour and against the bill, showed
that this was a question surrounded with great difficulties,
and that various attempts had been made for many years
by individual members of the house and Government to
settle it in a manner satisfactory to all parties concerned.
They had been reminded that these various attempts had
more or less failed, and that it was on that ground that
the hon. baronet the member for the Tower Hamlets
proposed the present measure. As a member of the
Government, he (Lord Palmerston) could not think he
would be performing his duty it he were to go headlong
in support of a particular mode of arriving at a given ob-
ject unless his mind was satisfied it would accomplish
the purpose for which it was intended, either by the pro-
bability of its passing into a law, and the likelihood if it
did that it would accomplish the healing process it was
intended to perform. Looking at the present bill, he
mr.st say he could not see in it either of these two fea-
tures. When talking of measures which deeply affected
the great interests, and he might almost say the universal
feeling, of the country, they must consider whether the
measure brought under discussion was likely to pass into
a law, and doing that he did not think the measure now
proposed was one likely to receive the sanction of both
houses, neither did he think it contained within itself
those arrangements for providing for the support of the
fabrics of the Church which would be sufficient, for their
maintenance in a proper manner. It had been asserted
in the course of the debate that the religious feeling of
the country might be relied on for the due support of
the fabrics of the Church. That it would be so in many
parishes he (Lord Palmerston) had no doubt, but he
was also apprehensive that in many parishes it would
not be the case. He could not altogether consider
that these ancient fabrics which were portions of the na-
tional property, and had existed for centuries, could be
placed in the same category with those places of reli-
gious worship which had sprung up in more recent
times, and from the manner of their construction not
only less expensive in their erection, but also more
easily and cheaply kept in efficient repair, that it would
be for the credit and honour of the country any more
than for the advantage of religion that these fabrics
should be allowed to go into decay. The ques-
tion resolved itself into two heads between which
there was a marked distinction. Church rates
were applicable to two purposes, one portion to be ap-
plied to the ministration of worship, and the other to the
maintenance of the fabric, and he thought one of the
defects of the present bill, and the many plans that had
been suggested was, the not keeping a sufficient distinc-
tion between the two. He could quite understand, and
make allowance for that religious feeling which rendered
persons not belonging to the Church averse, from con-
scientious feelings, to contribute to the ministration of
a worship of which they did not partake. He thought
that feeling was one requiring no explanation, and for
which it would not he difficult to make a pro-
vision that should relieve them from that necessity.
He thought there was much force in the argument that
these churches were national property, and viewing them
as national fabrics for the worship of God he thought
they ought to be maintained. (Hear.) At the same
time, if it was possible to devise a scheme to provide for
the churches of the country, and not offer violence to
those who differed from the Church, he for one should
not object to the introduction of such a measure. As
for the present measure, considering it did not
provide sufficiently for the purpose chalked out,
he could not give it his support. (Hear.) It was
said the Government ought to introduce some measure
upon the subject. His reply to that was that Government
in former years had undertaken that task, but their pro-
posals had failed to obtain the assent of Parliament or
the great body of men who felt an interest in them.
(Hear, hear.) He would say further that, upon the sub-
ject the Government had no proposals to make that
would arid any effect to the measure of the hon. baronet
the member for the Tower Hamlets. Indeed he could
not even propose a measure as a substitute for it,
and such being the case, he was bound most
reluctantly, as far as he was personally concerned, to
say he could not support the bill, but must give it his
opposition, thinking that persons in his position ought
not to give support to any measure unless they were
clearly convinced that it was beneficial to the interests
of the community at large.
Mr. B A.LL rose amid loud cries of divide—He was
sorry to hear from the noble lord at the head of the
Government that they had no measure to bring forward
on the subject. He thought, considering the debt the
Church owed the Dissenters, they ought to be met in a
fair spirit, which the course now proposed to be pursued
was totally at variance with. He did not support the
bill because he thought it would be detrimental to the
Church, but because he felt convinced it would benefit it.
Lord SEYMOU R. would net have addressed the house
but for the statements made by the noble lord at the
bead of the Government. That speech, instead of ad-
vancing this question, was calculated to throw it back
for years. (Hear.) Last year the noble lord at the head
of the Colonial Department had stated that the Govern.
ment proposed to settle this question, but the noble lord
at the head of the Government had stated that day that
the present Government had no such intentions—(hear,
hear)—and that the question must now be considered as
an open one, all the members of the Government
acting as they pleased. (Hear, hear.) All that might
be very well, but it must not be forgotten
that on the hustings the members of the Government

had advocated such measures as the present for the sake
of popularity, but within the house they had done all in
their power.to defeht them. (Hear, hear.) He thought
that some member of the Government ought to state to
the house what the real object and intention of the Go-
vernment were hi a far more clear and defined way, than
had been adopted by the noble viscount.
The house then divided when the numbers were :
Ayes 217
Noes ~ 189
Majority, in favour of the bill ---28
This announcement was greeted with loud cheering.
The bill was accordingly read a second time.
CARLISLE CANONRIES BILL.

Mr. FERGUSSON moved the second reading of this
bill, and in doing so briefly explained the sources from
which the income of these canonries were derived. He
stated that these were from incumbents who were anti-

tied to a due and fair share in this property, and Con-
tended that the Dean and Chapter who were only
stewards of that property, had no right to appropriate
that to themselves which was left for their advantage
and the benefit 'of others. He proposed, therefore, to
suspend one of the canclnries, and divide the proceeds
amongst the four incumbent•.
Mr. R.-PHILLIMORE considered it would be an act
of rashness in the house to decide on this bill without
hearing further evidence. An bon. member had stated

he was opposed to all Canons. That was‘ not his feeling.
He was opposed to idlecanonries and pluralist canonries,
but not to those who attended to the ministration of their
office, and assisted in the education of the poor.
Mr. T. CHAMBERS denied that this bill was an at-
tack on cathedrals generally, and contended the mode of
dealing with Carlisle was a fair one.
Mr. MOWBRAY opposed the bill, and defended the
Dean and Chapter of Carlisle from the imputations that
had been cast on them of not attending to the spiritual.
wants of thelpeople.
Mr. FERGUSSON supported the bill, amidst cries
of " Divide."

The house then divided, when the numbers were—
For the second reading lO2
Against it
Msr4ority --4
The bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to-morrow.

COUNTY AND CORPORATE ACCOUNTS,
IRELAND.
_ _

On the motion of Sir R.FiIiGI3I3SON, the following re-
turns were agreed to :—Return from the treasurer of
each county, county of a city, and county of a town in
Ireland, showing the receipts and payments on be-
half of each county in the year 1854 ; showing
the receipts-Ist. The balanee, if any, on hand in
county bank or exchequer bills on the let day of
January 1854 ; 2d. Amount received from county
Cess ; 3d. Amount received from all other sources ;
and, 4th, Balance, if any, due County Bank or Trea-
surer on the 31st day of December, 1854 ;—and Pay-
ments-Ist. Balance, if any, due County Bank or
Treasurer on the Ist day of January, 1854 ; 2d.
Amount of all sums paid ; and, 3d, Balance, if any, in
County Bask or Exchequer Bills on the 31st day of
December, 1854 ; together with a statement of-
-Ist. The assets above liabilities ' • and, 2d. The County
cess due and uncollected on the 31st day of December,
1854 ; but not including therein any sum ordered to be
levied at the Summer Assize's preceding, or the second
half of the sum ordered to be levied off the county of
Dublin in the spring preceding. Return from each
Corporation, Town Council, Town or Water Commis-
sioners, or other public body, having a right to levy rates
off the inhabitants of towns in Ireland, being a statement
of the receipts and payments of each in 1854, showing the
receipts :-Ist. Balance, if any, in treasurer's hands on
the let day of January, 1854 ; 2d. Amount received,
from rents ; 3d. Amount received from tolls, assess-
ments, or rates ; 4th. Amount of money borrowed ;
sth. Receipts from all other sources ; 'and 6th. Balance,
if any, due to the treasurer on the 31st day of Dec., 1854;
and payments ; let. Balance, if any, due to the treasurer
on the let (lay of January, 1854 ; 2d. Lighting, watch-
ing, and cleansing expenses ; 3d. Repairs ; 4th. Im-
provements ; sth. Salaries ; 6th. Law charges ; 7th.
Interest on debts ; Bth. _A nnuities ; 9th. Debts paid
off ; 10th. Incidental expense i and, 11th. Balance, if
any, in Treasurer's hands oin the 31st day of Dec., 1854;
also the amount of debt dne by each such body on
the Ist day of January, 1854, and the 31st day of
December, 1854, in classes, .distinguishing-- lat.
The bonded debt; 2d. The amount due to contractor's ;
3.1. To bank ; 4th. To other parties ; sth. To treasurer;
with the rate of interest on each class of debt, and
the increase or decrease of the debt during the year :
And similar return from each port, harbour, or dock
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thaving i
apower to
levy mtonnageros;

individuals to whom compensation had been paid for
damage done in the construction and repair of thi. said
sewer; together with an account of all nion,ys, and how
raised, towards the expenditure of the said sewer ; to•
gether with the names of the members of the commis-
sion of sewers under witose orders the Victuria-street
sewer was commenced.

CANDIA TRANSPORT.
Mr. BENTINCK moved for a copy of the report of
the survey held at, Woolwich on the Candia (iron)
transport, and that of the pilot who took her out.
Agreed to.
The house then adjourned shortly before 6 o'clock.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

- A man named Howard, one of the navies employed to
construct the railway at Balaklava, applied to Mr. Ar-
nold for advice.

The appliasnt stated that he and others were hired-in
December last to go to the. Crimea. They signed articles,
and left Btackwall on the sth of January. They remained
at Balaklava as long as their services were required, and
some of them were tlen sent home, but up to the present
moment they had been unable to obtain, their wages. He
had been referred from the office of the contractors,
Pete, Brassey, and Betts, to Warwick-street, Pimlico,
where what was called the Crimean committe sat, but
the clerks informed him the committee did not consider
him entitled to more than the few small payments he
received, amounting to under 10s.

Applicant put in the agreement, which, after reciting
that Peto, Brassey, and Betts had engaged with the Go-
vernment to lay down a railway from the port of Bala-
klava to the camp, and that Mr. Beattie was authorised
by that firm to engage navvies for the work, detailed the
nature of the contract, by which the men were bound to
labour for a period of six months at least, at the rate of
ss. per day, with rations, &c.
In reply to questions from Mr. Arnold,

The applicant said that they were discharged because
the railroad was so near completion that they were not
required. There was no complaint against them for
misconduct. They worked eight or ten weeks in the
Crimea, and had 2s. 6d. given them at Gibraltar, and
2s. at Malta. Applicant bad also an allotment ticket
for 71., to be deducted from his wages, to pay sums that
he owed while he was away.
Mr. Arnold. having inspected the contract, said it was
a clear engagement for six months certain, and he was
willing to grant a summons against the contractors, who
had by their payment of a portion recognised the con-
tract ; but he thought the better course before he did so
would be to send to them, to inquire whether they had
any desire to explain the matter, as it might save intich
trouble.

Mr. Arnold accordingly despatched a messenger to
the office of Messrs. Peto and Co., and adjourned the
case until another day.

CLERKENWELL.—Mr. Henry Webster, of 9,
Albert-terrace, Camden-town, and Mr. John Gray,
watch-toolmaker, of Clerken well-green, were brought up
for final examination before Mr. Tyrwhitt, charged with
having a large amount of stolen property, consisting of
watches, jewellery, &c., without being able account for
its possession.

sergeant Jackson, 11 11, said—After the prisoner
Gray was admitted to bail on the first examination he
proposed through his solicitor, Mr. Wakeling, to give
information as to whom he bought the watches of. He
took Sergeant Mason and myself down to Bethnal-
green, to a tavern there. He mentioned the name of
one person whom I well knew as suspected for some
time. We (the effiCers) waited outside, and we then saw
Mr. Gray and his bail, Mr. Symons, come out with a
third person. They stood talking together, and we pass-
ed very close to them. Just as we turned the corner of
the street the deaf man (Mr. Symons) rushed to us and
said, "That is one of them." However, before we could
get round the corner, Gray and the other man had
passed into another street, and then we met Gray return-
ing, and he said, "You should have stopped him at once;
that was the man." We remonstrated with him as to
his duplicity, and then he proposed to take us to the
man's house. He did sn, and although we waited until
5 o'clock in the morning no one came.
Mr. Lawford, the original prosecutor, again gave evi-
dence of finding more of his watches sold by Webster to
customers in the country.
Mr. Wakeling at once admitted that his client, Gray,
bad bought the watches legitimately in business ; he
gave a much information as to the parties he bought
them of as he could ; he admitted that the watches found
at, Webster's had been sold to that man regularly.
Mr. Lewis elaborately and most clearly pointed out the
thorough business pactice of his client, who, from the
first, kept his books in a most straightforward way.
Mr. Tyrwhitt, in commenting on the case, remarked
that it was one that interested the general trading
community of the country, more especially the manufac-
turing watchmakers and jewellers, numbers of whom
crowded the court, and who, doubtless, felt an interest
in the investigation. As the matter stood the conduct of
Webster was without reproach, and he could not in any
way implicate him in the matter ; but he was glad that
the grand jury system existed, which would serve as a
check on the misdirection or misthought of the magis-
trate ; therefore he left the prosecutors to their remedy
in that way. As to the prisoner Gray, he should Commit
him for trial without prejudice, requiring a bail in two
sureties of 2001. each.

The bails were tendered and accepted.
Mr- Lewis, on behalf of his client, agreed that all the
property seized at Mr. Webster's house should be held
by the police pending any inquiry.
As on the previous examinations, numbers of country
gentlemen were present from Bedale, in Yorkshire, where
Webster bad for many years carried on a private and pros-
perous business, to testify to his honourable character.

TELA.MES.—Layton. R. Hopper, 26, a shipwright, was
brought up on remand before Mr. Yardley, at the
Thames Police-court, charged with setting fire to a float-
ing battery constructed for the Government.
Tia• evidence taken before Mr. Ingham and Mr. Bo md-
ler, the second clerk, was read over by Mr. Pyer, the
chief clerk, and on the testimony of Mr. Campbell, the
prosecutor's cashier, that the fire spread rapidly along
the timbers under the vessel from the bow to the stern,
being read, Mr. Yardley asked in which direction the
wind was blowing, and
_the witness replied from the
north-east, in a direction from the bow to the stern.
Mr. Ballantine asked the witness whether a person
named Epworth, a blacksmith, was in Mr. Russell's em•
ploy at the time the fire broke out. and employed on the
battery?

Mr: Campbell—There was :a Mr. Epworth in our
employ.
__ .

Mr.Thallantine.—l don't care whether he was Mr.
Epworth, or what his first name was.
Mr. Campbell.—Mr. Epworth is our foreman iron
ship-builder.

Mr. Ballantine again subjected Coullie to a long and
searching cross-examination.

Mr. Clarkson said, he would put Mr. Howie, the su-
perintendent of the K division,.who bad charge of this
case, into the box, and he would swear that he had every
expectation of bringing other evidence affecting the pri-
soner, and that the witnesses could not be called that
day without injury to the ends of justice.
Mr. Ballantine —I am instructed to call witnesses for
the prisoner, but it ought to be made known publicly,
for the satidfaction of the prisoner's friends that I cannot
call them till the case for the prosecution is closed.
Mr. Yardley--That is so ; and the prisoner'e friend■
ought to be satisfied.

NIL% Pelham, solicitor for the prisoner, said he had the
most complete alibi ever known.
The prisoner—l have witnesses to prove where I waa
when the fire broke out, and up to 11 o'clock at night.
I can also prove the witness Connie shook hands with
me and asked me to get him into a society about a month
ago. _ _

Mr. Ballantine—l
,have so much reliance on my wit-
nesses that I will call them here, whether the magis-
trate determines on committing the prisoner or not.
Mr. Yardley—l sliall come to no determination till
the whole case is before me. The prisoner is remanded
until Wednesday next.

SPORTIAT INTFI LTr!FNCB.

BATH AND SOMERSET COUNTY RACES,

WEDNESDAY.

Sweeptakes of 5 soya each, with 20 added; for two
year-olds and upwards. Optional selling weights

One mile. 8 subs.
Mr. B. Land's Bordeaux a (501.), 7st 61b (Land, jun.) 1
Mr. Stanley's Sauve-qui-peut, 2yrs (501.) 4st 131 b
(Fordham) 2
Mr. Goodred's Fearless, 3 yrs (501.), 6st 61b...(8ray) 3
The following also ran :—Prince of Wales, Matilda,
See Clear, Wild Rose, and Merry Monk.
Betting-4 to 1 each agst See Clear, Sauve-qui-peut,
and Merry Monk. 5 to 1 each apt Bordeaux and Fear-
less. Won in a canter by three lengths—a neck between
the second and third.

The Weston Stakes of 10 sovs each, with 50 added ; for
two-year-olds, colts Bst alb, fillies and • geldings-Bst
41b ; the produce of untried horses and mares allowed
31h, if both, 51b. Extra weight fur certain winners
T.Y C., straight half mile. 33 subs.
Mr. Payne's Ceres, Bst 111 b
Mr. Stanley'i Sugarcane, Bst 4lb
Mr. Howard's Spindle, Bst 41b..

(Flatmao) 1
(Bartholomew) 2
(Wells) 3

The following also ran :—Furioso, Napoleon ill's
Third, Philip, Ellen, Prince of Orange, Pario, Dolly,
Fair Geraldine, Disraeli, and Laverna.

Betting-2 to 1 agst Sugarcane, 4to 1 agst Furioso, 6
to 1 each agst Spindle and Ceres, 10 to 1 agst Dolly.
Ceres made all the running, and won by a length and a
half ; half a length between the second and third ;
Furioso was fourth, and Ellen colt fifth.

The City Cap of 100 sovs in specie, added to a Sweep-
stakes of 10 sovs each ; three-yr-olds, 7st ; four, tibt
10lb ; five, 9st 41h ; six and aged, 9st 71b. Various
penalties and allowances. Two miles and a half. 14

subs.
Mr. E. Thelluson's Rataplan, 5 yrs, lOst 41b (J. Prince) 1
Duke of Bedford's Triton,yrs, 3 6st 915 (J. Steggles) 2
Mr. Knowles's Talfourd, 5 yrs, 9st 4lb (Bumby) 3
Mr. Waller's Vandyke, 4 yrs, Bst llb (Sly) 4
Betting-6 to 4on Rataplan, who led from the start
to the finish, and won very easily by a neck—bad third.
The Aristocratic Handicap of 10 sovs each, 5 ft, with
20 added. Gentlemen fifers. Jockeys 71b extra.
The winner of any handicap after the weights were
Published, 71b extra. Once round.
Mr. Sherring's Royalist, 5 yrs, lOst 1 llb (Mr.' Scobell) 1
Mr. I. Day's Waterfall, aged list lib (T.olliver, sen.) 2
Mr. T. Parr's Saucebox, 3 yrs, lOst 91b (Owner) 3
Master Horton, Cock Pheasant, and Florist also ran.

Betting-5 to iagst Cock Pheasant, 4to 1 agst Sauce.
box, 5 to 1 each agst Master Horton, Royalist, and
Florist. Won by a length and a half ; bad third.

The Dyrham Park Handicap of 100 sous. Extra weight
for certain winners. To start at the distance post and
go once round.
Lord J. Scott's Le Juif (h b), aged, 7st 101 b (Aldcroft) 1
Mr. Currie's Yingt-un, 4 yrs, 7st 31b (Palmer) 2
Mr. Humphries' Pyrois, 4 yrs 6st 21b (Midgley \ 3
The following also ran :—Humboldt, Jacqueline, Pos-
tulant, Wilsford, Syvagee, Venison, Ethelbald, Vulcan,
Maid of Cadiz, The Sandboy, Vandenhoff.

Betting-5 to 2 agst Wileford, 4to 1 agst Syvagee,
sto 1 agst Venison, 10 to 1 aght Vandenhoff. Won by
two lengths ; a head btltween the second and third ; Ve-
nison was fourth, and Humboldt fifth. Wilsford bolted
soon after entering the straight.

The Shorts of 25 -sovs, for all ages. Optional selling
weights. Straight half mile.
Mr. R. E. Cooper's Novice, 4 yrs (201.) 6st llb

(Bates) 1
Mr. Goodred's Fearless, 3 yrs, (201.) 7st 71b...(8ray) 2
Mr. Hewett's Rose of Eilel, 5 yrs (201.), 6st
_6113.

- • (Midgb-y( 3
The following also ran :—Goldfinder, c by Pyrrhus
the First—sister to Driffield, f by Don John—Van
Diemen's dam Poor Maria,Penelope, Donna, Singa-
pore, Royal George, and Rainbow. •

Betting-2 to f'agst Singapore, 4to 1 agst fby Don
John, sto 1 agst Novice. Won by two lengths; a
length and a-half between the second and third. The
winner was sold for 1001.

LATEST BETTING.
DERBY.
sto 1 agst Wild Dayrell
sto 1 agst De Clare
6to 1 agst Lord of the Isles (taken)
6to 1 agst Rifleman (taken)
10 to • 1 agst Flatterer
12 to 1 agst Kingstown (taken)
20 to 1 agst Dirk Hatteraick (taken)
20 to 1 agst St. Hubert (taken, 25 to 1 also lai

OAKS.
6to 1 agst Nettle (offered)
Bto 1 agst Dame Judith (taken)

TATTERSALL'S.—YESTBR DAY.
About a dozen members dropped in, but not a bet was
laid.

EETING.—May 30.
' DAY.

;e of 80 sovs, fur all ages.
;rs of a mile.

Age st lb
Vivid 4 6 9
L'Addio 3 6 6
Palmerston 3 6 4
Excitement, 3 6 4
Johnny Taft (h b) 3 6 4
liner 3 6 2
Laura Seliva 3 6 2
The But!er 3 5 10
The Quack 2 4 9