The National Register.
London, England, 1822-06-23 00:00:00

THURSDAY, J 7' NE 20.

l.ted Sidlooolb, Lord Harewou,l, 1,141 tile Bishop of Exeter,
reseided Cam petitions against the Itvuniii Csinotic

The Core Importation Bill sad Beaus' Regulative Bill %ere
trivglit up lies tin COlllllOllll.

The Bakers' Regulation Bill, on the motion of the Earl of
Laaderdale, was referred to a private committee.
After soine conversation between the Earl of Liverpool arid
Lord Ellenborough, the second rending of the Navigation bill
was fixed for Thursday next. The second reading of thy Navy
and Military Pensions Bill for Tuesday, and the Committee OU
the Marriage Act Amendment for Monday.
East' AND WEST INDIA TRADE.—The Marquis of LANS.
DOW NE said, lie had to present two petitions 6'olll Liverpool.
One praying that the merchants cud ship os nera of that pert be
allow rd to trade to the East Indies, in smaller ships than those
legalized by act* of parliament. The other prayed that the pe-
titioners may be allowed to import sugar from tne East Indies,
on payment of less duties than those laid on West India sugar.
The petitioners did nut why a tight should be given to the West
India Colonies to import sugar, to the exc.usion of the West
India Trade, and the noble Marquis declared !Mogen* an advo-
cate for opening the trade. A population in India, amounting to
100,000,1t0U, every day increased the merehundire and mann-
lac urea of thin country, and the best anode of promoting our
own commerce, was to incr.ase the trade of other nations.—
The petitioners also complained of the severe restrictions
imposed on sugar refiners, and prayed fora remedy. The peti-
tions were read.

Lord BATIIIIIST said it was not his intention to make any
observations cm the larst !tuition. Ilia objet was only to say a
few words on the petition respecting the sugar trade, which
had some connection with the provision of the W est India
Trade Bill. The petitioners prayed the house to withhold
protection Edon :hie West India sugars. HMI allow the sugars of
the East Indies to be imported on paying the tame duties as
the West India produce. It Parliament consented to withdraw
the protection limn the West India Islands, they would not
be placed on the name footing as India. In the West India
Colonies they were compelled by law to transport produce in
British ships. In the Last Indies they might do it in the ships
of all nations. By the 12th of George the Second they bad the
advantage of exporting sugar tram the West Indies to all na..
Boos ; but the advantage was coupled with such regulations,
that they received little benefit from that law. It bad been
urged that the West India Trade Bill then before Parliament,
conveyed advantagcs•to the colonists, which ought to induce
Parliament to open the East India sugar trade , but there was
nothing in that Bill to enable the House to withdraw from the
West India trade the protection they had hitherto enjoyed.—lf
the petitioners could make o•.t there was not a sufficient supply
iu the %Vest Indies to meet the general consumption, some
ground might exist for the consideration of their claim ; but that
was not the case. The supply was greater than the demand,
and it that were so it would not be good policy to open the
Lust India trade in sugar. The noble Earl did not say the time
would not arrit e when the opening of that trade might be ad-
viseable ; hut at present no cause was made out for a measure
of that description. The situation of the West India popula-
latiou would be most lamentable, if Parliament dissolved the
trade, and no persons would suffer so much as the black po-
tation. It would be the ruin of planters and the misery of
slaves. The House would call to mind that the cultivation of
sugar in the East Indies was new. In the West Indies it had
continued for ages. The petitions were then laid on the table.

NV EST INDIA NTIAMOURSE BILL—Earl bATHI KST then
mowed the order of the day for the third reading of the West
Inditt Intercourse Bill.

The Marquis of Bum, after a few observations, proposed a
clause fur the better registration of slaves. The Slave Trade
Abolition Bill was not secured, and the noble Marquis wished
to introduce the subject into this bill.
Lord BATHURST said there was nothing in the bill to re-
quite the introduction of the clause proposed by the noble
.larqui•. He admitted that a more efficient registration of
sla%es nii6lit be introduced to Parliament, but the subject
should nut fetter the colonial trader in his commercial pursuits
nutter this Bill. Ile could nut consent to the adoption of the
clause.

Lord HOLLAND °nosed the introduction of the clause.—
It was a subject which ought to tom no part of the bill. The
noble Lord regretted that the legislature had not totally ■bo-
liuhed the traliic in slaves ; hut he will, happy to sty it was be-
coming weaker every day in our West India possessions.—
In Jamaica the law was seldom evaded, and it would soon
be almost impossib:e to smuggle a slave into that country with-
out detection.

After some conversation the clause was negatived, and the
bill recd the third time and pawed.
The House resumed the vdjourtied debate in the committee
upon the Marriage Act Amendment Bill, and the discussion was
again postponed to Monday. Adjourned.
F1111)4Y, Jt•F.2l. . .

The discussion which atuod tilt this day, on the bill to admit
Roman Catholic Peers to seats in Parliament, excited much
interest. The avenues to the House were thronged, and more.
constables than usual placed at the doors. A number of lad es
were admitted to the House, and the area below the bar coal en-
tirely occupied by strange:lw, a mined with Peers orders.
Pennons against the Catholic Peers Bid were presented front
Tamworth—the University of Cambridge—the Sy nod of Glasgow
—and St. Mary, Woolno:111, London.
Lord HOLLAND said he rose to present a petition from the
corporation of Nottingham, in favuu: of the Bill. !The petitioners
prayed that the lass operating against the civil rights of Roman
Ca:lathes may be repealed. lie could not avoid on this occas.on
adverting to a declaration made by a noble Dukc (NeweA.:;t),
stating that the people of the district and neighbourhood of Not-
tingham were hostile to the bill then before the I louse. The pe •
tition he presented provtd that r e noble Duke had taken a nits•
lapse view of the feeling in his part of the country. The noble
Baron was happy to find the petitioners free front the narrow
views taken upon this importune sukiect.
The petition was then read. It prayed, that the bill to qualify
Catholic Peers to sit in Parliament night pass into a law. The
petition was laid on the table.
Lord ELLENBOROCGH presented a petition from Hors-
ham, in Sussex, in l..vour of tile bill.
A petition was presented from the parish of St. James's Clcr-
kenwell, in favour of the bill.
Lord SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from St. Luke's
0:d-street, tuned by 750 persons, against the Bid. The noble
Earl also presented Fenno!): , having ate same übjtxt, from various
dissenting congregations, the whole of which were read and laid
on the table.
I GREY expressed some doubt whether many of the pee
titions presenteed against the bill were entitled Li the uharacter of
regular petitions. Many he understood had been signed privately,
and it was reasonable to suppose they differed mote or lets in
the objections to the measure Wordy to come uncle' di:cm:don;
Lord It D ESDA LE considered the pennons quite regular, as

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far as lie had been able to judge oh them..
The Lord CHANCELLOR said, petitions against the bill had
been presented by at least 40.000 persons, alai there was nu sari•
atiun in the prayer of the petitioners.
The clerk then read the order of the day fur the second reading
of the Roman Cathode Peers Bill.
The Duke of PORTLAND rose upon the order, and observed
that it was not his intention to trespass long 4,n the attention of
the Hause. His object ass to move the second reading Atha
bill, and it would be point fug, to maid tbeir Loitt of

Ir"

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, .;UNE 17.

thitaituation of Catholic Peen, in this country. From the :time
pf ehe reformation to the fifth of Elizabeth, an act existed, coin.
paling members of Parliament to take the oath of supremacy.
A clause was however inserted in the act, exempting trorn its
operation the Peas oil Parliament. By virtue ut that exemptioa
Rumen Catholic Peers eat in Parliaineat tili the 30_1i of Coatis
the Sdcand. About that time came tote l'opiso plot, in waled
the Catholic Peers scented to be itiiplicaied. Unaer the panic
which existed at the moment, Parliament took away the right of
Peers Macaw in that noose. Lord Stafford was found guilty and
executed, and here he might observe, that the execution of that
nobleman was some time after called a legal marder.—Such was
the circumstance which drove the Catholics from the privilege to
which they setae entitled by birth; but whether or not the exclu-
sion of the Roman Cetholic l'eera form Parliaindnt was necessary
in the reign of Charles the Second, tame could say it was neces-
sary now. Queen E;izabatli had reposed confidence in Catholic
Peers ; she was satisfied with their loyalty ; and the act passed in
the filth year of her reign did nut ev tend to them. The experi-
ence of 100 years proved that confidence was well founded.—
The noble Duke concluded by moving the second reading of
the List.
Lord COLCHESTER. rising to address the Ilouse in °ppm
slum to the bill, featured their Lordship* that he sincerely wished
to give all the rea unable and safe concessions to his Majesty's
Homan Catholic subjects, but lie never could agree to give them
seats in both Houses of Parliament. The exclusion of Peers
from Parliament wan tepresented by the noble Duke to stand on
nothing but prejudice; but it would nut he uttli:u.t to prove that
the exclusion historically stood on the ',ovum, of wiwitan and
&mal policy; and commenced with the actslot Q teen Eliaabetli,
and the coaporation and test act., proved hoe, desirous the Mousse
of Commons were to exclude Homan Catholic* from their elan
members. The act of Cliall.6 11. was sanctioned ut thy revola-
lion by the Prince of Orange, and at the union with Szoilund it
was enacted that no represemative Puts or O.IIIIIiIJ3CtS should
be others [llan Pemestants. Tutu provision was annexed to the
act ot union. At the distance of three succeeding reigns, namely,
in the 9th of Geo. 11. Parliament continued the act of King
William, and could it be said the exclusion as, not justified
by polo:, Time uol,lu Duke .la._ a contended there was nu
ground to entitiune the eachtsiou ; hut his opinion was, that
laws made upon general principles meat ever be retained as
safeguards and guardians aguioat danger. The noble Duke
proposed the tepeal of these laws, and recommended the bill as
one of the beet steps. The noble Daron said, lie wished to give
the Catholics fair emancipation in all the rigete enjoyed by his
Ifilajesty's subjects, with the exeeptina of thine restrictions,
which the constitutiou had imposed for its own safety. lie was
rejoiced when lie saw Roman Catholics assisting at the co o
natiou.—They were properly admitted to the army, and navy.
He saw no objection to giving them civil eaaployment—to admit
them to offices connected with the revenue; but the safeguards
of the constitution could not be violated. The noble Lord
stated the views of the Roman Catholics with respect to faith,
and, having dwelt on the danger w Welt would arise front passing
the bil:, moved, as 83 ametalutent, that it read a second time
this day three months.
Lind ERSKINE supported the bill.
Lord GRENVILLE, at consideranle lentil, and in a speech
of much force, supported the bill.
Lord REDESDALE strongly opposed it, as inconsistent with
the Wets: of the Protestant establishment.
Lord iIOLLAND gave his warmest support to the hill, which
be observed did not go so far as he wished, lie trusted that
lie should live long enough to see their Lordsuips go much
further than this Dill went.
Their Lordships then divided.—For the second reeding—
Contents, 130— Proxies 10-90. Non Contents, 97—Proxies,
1113-132. Majority against the Adjourued at one
o'clock.

Mr. DAVENPORT presented petitions from Macclesfield
sod Cinigleton against the Warehousing Bill.
Sir R. SHAW presented a petition trout the Chamber of
Commerce. Dublin, against the proposed duties on Rock 'Salt.
Sir W. CURTIS presented a petition from the Watch Fiotib•
ars of London, apt tat the Wsrelionseing Bill.
Sir %V. LEMON presented a petition front Pilchard Curers
of Cornwall, praying for the repeal of the Salt 'fax.
The Bakers' Regulation Bill was recommitted. Report
brought up, and ordered to be read a third time on Thursday.
The report of the Weights and Meaures Bill was ordered to
be presented on Wednesday.
SALT TA x.—A petition was presented from the Fish Curers
of Boston, Lincolnshire.
Mr. CLIMES said, it was very important that the parties
should know what they were to expect ; that something decisive
on the subject of the Salt Tax should he made known.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie hoped
to bring forward the Resolutions at an early time. lie named
two years for the continuation of existing duties, because lie
thought it would hate been a period satisfactory to terminate
the duties ; but he should not now press the Resolution for
continuing the Fish Curing Regulations for two years.
Gen. GASCOYNE observed, that these discussions and con-
versations were moat injurious and unplensant ; it would be
better that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should at once intro-
duce his Bill for the repeal of the lax ; the country would then
know what was intended.

Mr. BIRCH enquired whether the manufactories using salt
were to he exempted ?
The CHANCELLOR of the rAcHEQUER replied, as it
was understood, that the exemptions were to he made of
course.

Mr. BRIGHT said, that be trusted the Chancellor of the
Exchequer intended to remodel the excise laws, pm titularly oil
this subject. They were most oppressive, as the report of 1818
proved. tinny purtion of the tax were retained, it could only
be for the sake of patronage ; but lie trusted that in this instance,
the independent portions of the House would defeat the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer.—(llear.)—Petition ordered to be
printed.
:11r. (Secretary) PEEL, presented a report from the c .m-
-goatee appointed to enquire into tlie state of the police of the
metropolis. Ordered to he printed.
Mr. LITTLr.roN presented a petition from workmen in the
factories at Dudley, complainiug that several of their masters
paid them in provisions instead of money, whereby they sus-
tained serious losses.

Mr.LITI'LETON presented a petition from silk mantas°
turves of Leeds against the Warehousing Bill.
Sr Vrt: or lIILIANII.-11r. V. FITZGERALD wished to
know what further measures of relief for Ireland were content-
Wated by the Government t It wss a moment of suffering, and
it was important that there should he the amplest information
it was most desirable that it should be known Imw the money
advanced for public works was to be appropriated.
Mr. GUULBURN replied, that with respect to the money al-
ready advanced for iltd pu.):10 works, the Lord Lieutenant Lid
apimiuted a cot ouittec to institute inquiry into the stite of the
several distrima. They immediate'', made the requisite coin-
sounicationa. It woitid also rerolLclvd, that he