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into tf' e of cert..in persons, tend to raisean,ther party in
t'l;! Lord concluded ,by moving as an
.ii.•••lditwat, that' all the words in the original motion, from the
" remove" to tile words, " time Jeresaid" includeu, be
and the foltoi,ving ir-:••rt?d in their stead, " together
sole direction of portion of his Majesty's house-
•.' stud! be thought requislie for the due attendance on his
. • 'or the sepport of his Royal dignity."
`..4-,:nilment Was Sl:prOrted i•y Mr. H. MARTIN, who
•,' 113.•Allthe House had now to consider, was the comfort
• Viuj. ,y, an.' 'Jot supporting a splendour which he could
•_••t py. There was a Court already established ; and, in
time: like the pr..:sent, he c)iild not consent to the people being
burtlienid with anotii,.r eit...l.lishment for the Reg nt.
TVIr. G. JOHNSTON followed on the same side of the ques-
-6,11. _

• Mr. H. Anoisin roN was in favour of the resolution, with
some modific.,tions.
Lord IVitt.i ON 3:lid the resolution went to separate influence
r
frok the Chief Magistrate, ai:d tl,. 'Court from the (I,A-em-
inent and evtn to create' an intioeure which might hereafter be
e:«10A1 against the Go,.,!rnment. The Rh :lit Hcn. Gentlzman
had talked of the bad precede i!* of placing such power in the
hands of the Rego..., on groin:ds that it n iptit hereafter fall •
into :lanes of a I)%d Regent. Why was not the Right Hon.
Gemkman equally careful •If establishing a preo•dent which
might hez•eafte r place the power in the hands of bad aid ambi-
tions niteens ?
. !r. SynNir.:4, Mr. WILBF.RFORCE and Lord I) SART, de-
fended tiv• n•iofution and Sir SAMULL Romi 1.1. v and Mr.
ADAM expre..sed tt.eniselves in !avour of the amendment.
Mr. lint sett thoughtfthe question about 15,0001. to keep Ills
.M A ajeity's l servants about was ell an ell song (it (untie);
for o. What inipr..:lc.• was Filch a ,l, in as that, compareo with
the 'Sow: air's c;,inforts V-e.vld any one s;iy, that a twcl:e-
-monies s-fary would be any &Jett to a man, when his duty
requirvd him to attend his F ? Here he stood as a Legis-
ialor--( ,4 tau g 4 ). -'• Aye, yelt the wron!t side," said
.Mr. hate.i towards the Opposition side; " but I
ecternlnt:d to do my utmost to-preserve the comforts of my
Nine !"
After Mr. CANNING and Mr. WHITLREAD had delivered
their i•-•,*Ariei...s, which were hcstile to the resllution, and Mr.
PERCEVAL had replied, t!,e Hourie dividtd, when there appeurt-d
—F fir the ametien.l/41nt, 4:.)‘,:ti; for reso/ution. 'J.—Majority
against Ministers, 13.—Adjourned at Half-past Eltven.

....._410.1.

WLDU'r:SI)AY, JAN. S.

Mr. LesniNoroN having iirought up ..-he Report of the Com- II
rnittee upon the etate o; ,:!e Nation) (containing the Resolu-
aions eue:..; :Ted with by the Lords on Monday), they -were I
geir qrongly opposed, and a long dehee took i.lace upon them.
On the Mee Re 1t ticon Neeg read, which went to vest the Re-
gency in ;.is :zee; I Highn,•es the Prince of Wales, " subject to
such linl.tati n, and t.:::crptior.; as sir be provided,"
Leal Peace sr> x rave. The Kesolu.ions mieht be consi-
dered :.s tie! 'eee of the proceedings; but he wished that the
giaud 4Loestitueeied Question respecting the restrictions only,
seieeid be kept in the i,te•sent discussion. He wish« dto advert
to z he e:arecter and si:t:etion of flit- Prince of '4 ales, whichhe
the tyht. l•:ett r.nt boon stiffic;ently attended to, and to reason
frern the precedent which had already been detailed. What
chteger could he eppreheeded from vesting the Heir Apparent
as ROlllt, I.t..i;iii, d and uteestrictcd• powers? NA't.s it
feered that he would alttr tee succession of the Crown e There
conk.: he no &tiger of that ; for the Prince was himself the
1-leir :'tpparent. V. es a feared that he would impair the Royal
nee..ttees, if entt listed xvith an unlimited and unrestricted
command over them ?—Such a fear could' not be entertained
for :I moment; t the circumstance of the Regent's being
the Heir tkete.retit, he could not be benefited by impairing the
Prerae.itivcs re the Crown. The reasons urged for restricting
the Regeet In the reation of Peers were groundless; 14 were
the .I,j. ctions :h::: is tivo•eld coda-ger the C-itstit taint, and that
his Ivlejesty en " walene' from his• long site p,"' might rot ep..
ee prose of the t. that lied been niudrof his Prerogative by the
Rye: nt. Week: any tee say that if one or twe le/et/Ads. or
s fen life, tell Nei ant Juring the 1, inc ihneSs, and the
'rince ees to be wof the ..tha: either endanger
Coottitujon or risk the King's disapprob.itiim ? By the lee-
bolt:tie:l, the Prince of Vita;es might resume the Right lion.
fif the Exchequer from effice, le. well as he; irtthi
al. LiJn. " APidegi;! but if in the course of the Regeney
Lhr Preece of Wales should appoint a new Clerk of the Iron,•
or ete- of the Nleltings• (places filled- by Mr. Pee:evare
the House were to be told that the fie gent tle-reby esed§eil the
Kin?'s perseri" to dangers, as well. as the C reistituttort.—'Heee,
Bear !1--=:&w, ore of those branclu s 1.„3 been visited. isy.an
49tiinely winter, and it remained for the other two to supply
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place ix a season, with a substitute equal in beauty and strength
as the former, until Heaven restored those honours which had
been cropped. He went on to observes, that one branch of the
legislature had been long suspended; and he declared his reso-
lution against any further attempts which might be made to h;,14.1
that untitnely suspension longer. The Noble Lord concluded
by moving, as an Amendment to the Resolutions of the Con:-
mittee, that all the words beginning with " subject to such li-
mitations and restrictions," in the First Resolution, should be
omitted. •

Sir THoscAs TURTON seconded the amemirnent.
Lord FRANCIS OSBORNF, said, that the duty which he owed
to those principles of the Constitution, and to the dictates of
his own heart, prompted him to express his disapprobation of
the Resolution, as originally proposed, and to agtee with the
amendment proposed by the Noble Lord.
Mr. Voßiee, in a speech of censiderobie length, supported
the argument of his Right Honourabie Fr end the Chanceller
of the Exchequer, and defended the . Reedutions as being the
only legal and constitutional mode of proceeding, and expressed
his deckled disapprobation of the amendowitt.
Mr. :h.eretary RYOf.R expressed hisoadintration of the prin-
ciples so admirably laid down by Lord Grenville, in his speech
on the present subject, and wondered touch that his retative
(Mr. Wynne) should differ from that Noble Lord, and con.
tended that the precedent of 1788 :ought to be followed.
Mr. GRATTAN, after taking a short view of the state of the
question, was decidedly of opinion that the ration had a right
to call on their Representatives for the exercise of the wlode of
the prerogative in the present instance, whether the Regent's
power was vested in one or many individuals. The Geetlemen
opposite had maintained indeed, that sonic part of that prero-
gative might be dispensed with for sonic time ; but he would
tosert, that it was necessary at alt times.— Hear, !tear !,I-,.
They had said •hat the limit:owns would he ooly tur a short
time; but hew could they form an estimate of the time they
were to last ? They had mentioned a year. Would our enemy
adjourn his plans against es fur a year ? And would they, in
the mean time, deprive the. Regent of the cans of rte isting
him ?—(Hear, hear !)—But Ministers seemed to have said,
" let us try far a wooe how little Prerogative is necesseiot to do
much ;" for ht. would repeat tt, the question was not about this
or that Peerage, but about the Prerogative.—(Hear, hear! ).
The other res•riction as to the grant of plase. went to secure to
tee present 'Ministers, who would then be io (apposition, a re-
versionary influence at the expellee of the Regent's power; and
lie would ask whether it was wise in the pres nt times, to
weaken Government in order to strengthen uppodtion, and that
by all Act of Pariiament—(lleor, lotar .9—As to the regula-
tions proposed for the Householcl, they Nve;lt, in fact, to establish
two Regents, one for Government, and the other for Opposition.
—(hear, hear I)—Gentlemen, suppose that the King, on his
recovery, would nor at first inquire ebout the situation of the
country. but call for the list el his domestics ; they mu; gave the
people a little and contemptible idea of the Sovereign, aod eiake
that eontemptible idea the ground of legislation—( Hee r. luar
—The comtort of a sick Kned,,is to know that the prosperhy of
his people has not been impaired during his illness ; by these
proceedings they would be sure to deprive idol of that comfort ;
and if they succeeded in carrying them, the King would
have to peruse on his recovery, not the list of his domestics,-
hot the catalogue of the m.stortunes of his people.—/ Hear,
hear I )
The MAsTrR of the ROLLS, in a very long and elaborate
speech, defended the doctrine of precedents, not from a super-
stitiew love of antiquity, but beeatise it was evidently far pre-
ferable to have a certain rule of conduct, teal, to float iu per-
petual uncertainty. He approved of that of 1768, as pointing,
generally, the line of proceedings be followed in the present
instance.
Mr. SHER IDAN ebservttd, that with regard to the question of
law upon this subject; he thought they had this night ail that the
law on that side the House could advaoce upon it, in the speech
ache Learned Gentleman, and while they. Aat there, in
la silence and dread r,.posc," lie thought the House had, heard all
they ntiEht expect from that side, tor the law of the subject
(Hear, Oar, hear!) Upon the precedent of 11$:3 he 'loved ti:e
candour of the Honourable Gentlemen opposite, would allow to
him, that those who took the contrary aiee from the supporters
of that measure were actuated hy as fair and honest psinciples
as those who upheld the Government el that day. '1 he cases
which: were Wel most stress upon in slipliort at 1143. precdent,
'were those Of 61 and 84 ;* but in these cases the measures we're
adopted by the King, Lords and Commons, in their whole and
entire capacity ; any thing that was then done, was clout by the
Constitution in a cemplete sette, ard therefore did pot apply to
the precedent of 178}1 or the present case. ;Aut. the Learned
Cattleman says, "We are here to use our .oWn -retion, to
do any chins that we may deem most expedient;" .girt it was
nut in UM" diteretioei to ;it pia c:ad „de n9thingi it was their