The National Register.
London, England, 1819-06-14 00:00:00

THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

put this most important of all questions to a fair and intelligible
?ague; and it was simply this—whether at this particular moment
it was fit that the house of Commons should give it, assent to a
motion for raising 3,tin0,0001. of taxes from the pockets of the
tietspleto be placed at the disposal of the existing government.
The time might arrive when, refreshed by a long interval of
pence, and by those habit* of industry which always together in-
tim:eel such a consequence, that sextimulation of capital might
take pace which might put her in a more advantageous situation.
A tulle might arrive when the people should have enjoyed that
repose, that just and necessary repose, which they had so nobly
earned, which they were so richly entitled to, by their sufferings,
their blood, and their toil (Heao ; by their patience under those
suffotings, by their constent and devoted attachment to the in-
terests of their country, and still more by their firm resistmce to
all those attempts which had been male to seduce them from their
duty Ocelot...the time might arrive when, thus situated, they
would stand in a different relation to such a propobition; but now
to interrupt their shorthireathing time, in their present exhausted
state, W 44 not only most indecent, but, to use it still stronger tem
was a most atrocious attempt to increase the oppressive burdens
of a people thus buffains, patient, and deserving. (Hear) In
the year 17e6 a sinking-fund was created of 1,0040001., to
which 4i0,0001. were afterwards added, making altogether '
1400,0004 In le,,n die appropriation of so much of every loan
to this fund was determined on, which gave an assurance that at
the end of 45 years from the petiod cat each loan's being eon
traded it would be extinguiehed by the operation of the uniting
fund. In 1502 a new arrangement was made by Lord Sid-
mouth, of which it was not at present necessary to say much,
because. although there were many objections to it, it did not
much postpone the term. Then came the operation of the year
1e1.% which consisted in postponing the payment. The conse-
quence of that operation wcsx to reduce the sinking hind in the
mean time to 13.000,0004 ; but the terms made in ists3 with the
stockholders, which were so made in language as distinct as
could be made use of, were, that the then fund should be sacred.
Now came the present plan ; but nothing was dune to redeem
their pledge nothing done to preserve faitis with the public cre-
ditor,. All the sinkmg fund bail been taken away, except only
2.000,001)1.; That any of the papers on the table could snake it
out otherwise he would defy gentlemeii :4 i Aire, even if they
looked over them to the end of dine, Ile was most truly sorry
for (hie inevitable bleach of faith; but he felt that it could nut be
prevented. As far, however as he could prevent it, there was
one further step which should not be taken, one weight more
which bhouhl not fall upon thepeople ; lie would nut consent that
at the end of such a war, and in the very infancy of peace, new
taxes should be imposed on them, new burdens, new unpositenu
which they could not pity. (Loud cheering.) The pmposiiion
of his Majesty's ministers. .I'oo'l have been shown to be wooded
in absolute necessity ; nothing but the must moseins and serious I
eniero;cheies should have been appealed to by them tor their jus-
tilieetem. The defence of the public liberty the protection of
the empire threatened by a war..thebe were the only circuin.
stances lie could at present contemplate, that would go to make
out a case sufficient to juetify sued a proposition as the present.
Supposing the people to remain, burdened as they were, and
drained by the existing taxes, he could hardly imagine any cane,
short of a war, that could justify the government in laying on
freli taxes; and lie was tempted to add, in 'donut no other case
ought the finances of the subject to be further cecruechexl upon.
The noble hod had exercised great indihmation at his right hon.
friend lin expressing has want of colifidenee in the government
as to any desire of alleviation; and had niaintained that his
Majesty's ministers had shown every disposition to economy.
How had they shown it? (Hear.) Really, lie must be allowed
to use the expression, but lie had from their coutlua a right to
assume, that in spite of themselves sonic expenses label been re-
tracted ; and to suppose that the ramie sums were still to be voted
for the equipments of our army, or the fitting out of our ship
was indeed ridiculous. But what other reductions had they
made ? The noble lord had said. 6' You will talk about retrench.
ment ; why do you not enter into more particular details?"
Now, his right lion. friend had expressly declared he would not
enter into details, but would point tint only. the quarters wherein
retrenchments might be effected. To begin, then, with the col-
lection of the revenue; since the noble lord expressed his anxiety
lo be iill.irilled, lie ortniol oak hie. whether ii N.V. so W., and Is III.,111•it
one 41e/It blanch erase rest tine the excise, had "need is. collect the
castoins at .3 and • !remain, per cent., ifinle.l.l 1.1 13 and a halt per
t rod. the expellee of the pi went collection f Mete, then. was ulie
chapter er his boo. ft icsol's budget, by which alone SUO,UO4I. a year
nsicht he saved to the country. (Great elites jog:, 11.i.1 he out 4 light
to monism, from Oda, that a really sparing, ersitailler4l., and e.......iii11eal
1011.1ielille.11011, might bud Other Lorituelus el the re..1.0e in Which si•
Sell If savings ini4lit be .112.101 Ile W. 441.1 how 113....ti0n ....e ..riser ill.
slallee, to which although any easing to be sleeted was sail comparable
to the lent, yet it was a matter id tlw highest ninon tame to the mono
Ill• (Ilean) Ile meant the stele of thine Wheels which tine paid by
rem, or poundage, as it was called. 1 hry were not wily a lair 51551
needles, expanse, bat grey we.e tillectire* which hart...inert to its iil
Plaeetness, mid ecteenled the ',pioneer ol the Crown Ilitiough every
(:ten or the country. It hon.. able grollemen would take the tiooide
: us !Sating at the retains which lie 44444 Vt.' (or .shunt Iwo 3,0 8 ago, they
would Mal that almost 140,0001. were sitiondly paid to. peosons called
reeeleers orsseees.ea taxi's, a /I 11141 i loi 101 l °Catnaps. Ile only bloated
tt this coasideration,uti accoutit of ohm appeared to ben Wort of to -
once cum the note lord—a di:limier itatititatiti4 that the pretellt 4.•1.3.
sere tumid be soips....ted by MI those who had lee...pity &nosed them
selves the Wends ..t athiiiiiimcalion. the mole turd appeared
011ie is. ll4olly, 1114 the calls fur 4e tt end...tent niirl eeellutti) , Male on
that side of the house, were little better than me, e words. In deliver-
iug bat owia opinion spoil that I/abject, he was al Ilie Mille time espies
sing the belll.l.lelllll of many, when he Mated his be.sliet Mat ill 1.
roan dap...tweets al' the public service emoidelaltie rerfileiltio.lll.2l4
he made. Many satin's in the reseUse were Ile.Uly Vielean, :Mil light
be 4 lituitherl ; is ethers athlitioitil duty Might be attaelted,nl.l 4 lari.l4
effected in that assailer. Above ail, he mint declase that he 1111ottl,1
sitter feel •4111.11.41 till Seine lieu... 41 Ille.teere el .t4lllirt 00000 IS the
antenna of voltaic stipends, pm op eitionale 50 we ilPrermice or priers,
slut to the augmentati tttt which toil beim Made can the sole 214.0110 et
that didereoce, was canard into effect. Nothing bail been whammed
in )IWlMlClitioll Of iiirre4•42l tate& but the gru1ui1....2 Un.....141...1. au
aastituption inaiutaiord by no farts or mill...plea Whirl. had cone to Ida
knowledge, that we ought to base a stuktog food of smothotiulf It
would be a muse efl Ufa wey of linsbaochog our ree.n. era Ilia.. that
of keeping ep • large sinking lead by lawns. that dried muffle fountains
of revrone, that upprelited 11.11.14. y, and 011ie.411.4.11 the eillielu) Meld
44 capital. If the mune, wele felt ila the peel.. is of the people. iii
stead of beteg lake. away to are iiiii 111.1te at compound coleus.[, it
would be eierit.3.o.l lauds more piedneils.ly so augnieutiog the
wealth, and isailisling the legi iiiii ate re minces of the counity. we
mig,lll titre be enabled 10 inert 20.1.1.41 414. 1.e., .... It/dell/II hostility in au
altilatle whirh we could net "the, o ire assume. Ile earneell hoped,
that by a policy ii. 4 Inure Wine 11.4 i. 11 was Just, Sc •h 0.1141 emit to the
people that relief which they had so dearly earned, and which he mo-
cerely believed was thc time mode of preparing for • fresh contest. it
such a cal y should befall us, with undiminished coma:Noce, awl
Iluilapaired imources. (I irst 4
air. eforetoe.es oboerVe/1. Mat the meatuire now under conslileradois
coal.' only Se P1*110..41 can she principle of uecessay ; and it was op.•u
that pOilil 1110.1 e thst they were al Mile. Ile 1.2 I hoped that .:cis
windil be the view which would i.e lekeu of the question on ell 11.1,9,
mid that It could have beeu diseti•seil without reltiente to ter Lo. t.
et the Admit ally, or to any of the persons exercising the mecum,. of
governineut. It =lately did copes to him, that for Smile time atter
the gic,aiiiie null I.lllprteetleuted effilell Willa Mix mimicry hat worse,
palliatties oegbt to be aihninisteled, but that it was mieutiel to our
seeniity to 10 155 0 as anon as possible to a ....1.11 s)*lerie of borne... mud
to look taw Mittens.* in the men. We could U 4.1 iloanise titan Own
wig aelVril Of nom Ile rips irtonula lea W 1.41 uilr 'cal Hiss othou Ira.. It,
continental putselliWele titillate theite...lbes 1.. phiee Weir hearses Olt
a tight footaug. What aim their is. Iwo 1411.41iu1l that should Mame 4.
to act upon a different piney f Me 442 a debt al auo,Outiamol., mad a
Makin. laud of 2,11.011101. minieution end) to out per emit. oil the
debt illielt. The Mal, I...fleece Os the eolibultilated 14.1.1 Wan 1.06.041 Up
with the I.olSuili and eat edit of the count., ; out the Cate ass this, that
we lied inipmed mon it charges crliich it was iiredemiate to pay.
esittaineet too bees Jut b. the couotry that this fond should form the
security of the pan:, creditor. but I bad subsequently °tertian gel it.
Ike Attica Coo mummer' to I,MM.Milol. and this defied had emoted fin
Cie last two )ea., 14) 3u ari angeinell, tallith left this del.:limey to
la, .waste My ny ,t,,, gaps,. we hadplaced the pnblic credit of the rinse
t.y, 41.12 the (011ie Creditor. al the mercy of fl,gl gp,,,,,g1,... ,„,,,kb

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might at its plessuie refuse to pay the iiiiihiesda Be bee* that the
Bank had too much conildeuee in the halm.' resources, too sew I
public spirit Mel purlultnn, to teftwe to advalsee the Neve..., owl
whet, applied to; loot he would alao Celeellll, 111.1 the reedit
of n real country like the, the inatetenance of the oThonal hoowir,
ought not to be iiitrusted to the discretion of any corpor.tion,lsowever
well dispowel and howescr respectable. Ile (Mr. I luskiwain) 4.1 a sled
dud It was with a Bellow of co price end ntro. that be heard the
right hoe gent. (Mr. !tem."), who had ear all ',onset aweasiotts shard
forward 4110 aileilUolla a delved...lr Of 111e11.11.11,1 Neal, alter ionenticg
the breach of public tooth which faith wail not lo %Men, and after at.
triSmitig dial breach of ri.• Is to a necessity olden rho not ram, coo.
writing *derider that loud. Hie iltr. Best noon) would not bow, le
cower to the rigid Man. cent., go at pre, el into a .1441411 or all lire
Mir/Wages which this Mod 1111.1 C 01111114111.41 to the Interiml credit and
eveenal weal by of lire eonsitly. Ile was not now calico 'twin to .1414
C.. 141 it, becalm: it was mot stliaeked, sod he hoped he neser
lie hoped gentlemen would alw.,)s tentrodper the guest impose for
which it nu. instituted, and that the, would tame, eel* a thapositotts
it, wade the must solemn pladir which pal !lament ',wild (Si'i to the
national ~r editor, or think they c.. 11141 promote the poblic Intel est by
oirreiidei int public honour. (hear, hear.) !he sitnalriel of ihe corio•
fry was now eery different tram what it was whet. Ibe Ant •Itaking
Mud wait Create:ll4 The Hellen 1114 I the. Jost Cour holed and
war, by an ignou iiiiiiiii s peace. bow we had concluded a
Mac anel stweesslisi war, with glory to net seises, and olds thud advan-
tage to tho tope, which was likely to Keno the continteanceln peace.
Mr. f 'lorries errictet telt himself hosed to rebid the false itripoiw
tines whkli had been east by the Chancellor or the Lielogwer 510115
Ille g,vtlleMtn eonurelrA wilts the bicss..l nu. of this eonotry. Ile
most 4,1111.41 y in protest against the truth of the observilito•s
whit h had been made, AIM he was tally prepared to answer thew by
meeting info a minute statement of *gores. Its would not, hoar•vir,
at present trouble the holer with the once ligatiutt, but he ph-deed
'tomtit In glue a toll end complete roomer to these lalse arcor.Cl•ols
Wltelirrel Urn Melt WI aleelle be brought nuclei the attentiou of the
Wrse.

Mr. Hankvs would I e the last man to scree to the nildisional burden
of 11,101,tuall. enters he telt it to be a matter of Ileeelletly: but feeling
it to be such, he duarld stem* to the proposition of the Chancellor ult
the Exchequer, though satin the tisk of bring a punctuator Man act
of atrociiy.
CaNming began by expressing his regret that the right bon.
gent. Wet out of his place, as lie should have been glad, before lie pro-
ceeded, to know how he itilewlett to word Ids motion iii point of form.
Lair. Brogden hole staled, that Mr. hero., had a /thdrawol his tokamak
nod, of the pres bins Ironton for the illaire teenier one, that the
Chstrnian no lease the Chair.) Well. tht ti, Ids utolloti, in substance
seemed to be to postpose or negative the I...weeding of the Commit-
tee. the ultivisue .end es unite tonne of the r 1.1.1 I ttttt °arable geotle•
Marl showed %hat %as hie real ottyeell lie had nu...mount the station,
WhaleVer had been the subject of discussion, indulged in one continued
lama splint the inittialeri, that they did nut date Ins look the financial
state sit the !MIMI) in the face. It Was Mot Mere Mat ado to so) that
the strength of tbo administration Minority rested tau this question.
they were perfectly cous hired that the measure now proposed nin
absolutely necelioaly for the safety and prosperity of the countiy ; and
being so emit/weed, the sane motive which tudiived them to ming tt
forward, and especially IN a season of dist, in like the present,
torte them to lease their places mile.l they earned it. I his must he
their entil&e, ni.t Melt ly as Matter ta,te and Icellug, hen of coin
prudence nuo. It would have been tittleh Inver Our the lierlimte ,d the
iipt hue. gentleman to hose wet this pi °position with a do eel nese-
(tee ; bemuse then, if hisuppo tansluta b.. o sincessittl, it would hat c
Weird a ith it all ionforelatUel of the nie.‘a.,cey oh Tillasloo• 5. Mini -
stun which the al,ht bon. geutlemau was so 4111101.1 to Male vu the
Manic mind.
Nin 1.0 Oaf,' said he would briefly state his view of the
question. It might perhups be said, that he was one of those
who had goaded the administration on to the present tn.. lo•tire of
the state of the country ; but, admitting that he had urged die
necessity of an inquiry, where was the pledge on his part, that lie
would support the measures that might be proposed- for meeting
the exigencies of the state ? filmy. from the opposition.) They
were ail agreed in their deshe to meet these exigences ; but It
wan remarkable that not one of the Hon. Gents. on the other aids
of the House had looked to the internal state of use country. to
the petitions on their table, or to the ilistrtss of which these peti •
lions complained. They only looked to die country as a subject
of taxation , but lie looked at the state of di,: people, aril must
say, that this was not a time for imposing fresh taxes. Ile had.
God knew, no more confidence than his Hight Hon. Friend
in the present administration; but lib), the beginning of neat ses•
sion, lie should find the country in a better situation. he would
agree to support the present administration in imposing additional
taxes. He repeated, that it was solely on account of the internal
state of the country that he opposed the m inure at present. And
was this a cause for the taunts of the right honourable gentleman?
Did he think that his o.en recent conduct was forgotten ; that it
was not 'recollected how hr had reprobated the gentlemen by
whom he was now surmunded, how he had lampooned the friends
on one side of him, and betrayed those on the other (Cheering)
Topics enough occurred to lint (Mr. Calcraft). which he knew
(cues of order.) would bring recollections to mind that would
make the right hon. gent• repent his attack. HE, indeed, of all
persons, to make such an attack ! To charge others with inconsis.
tent, cowardly, and shuffling conduct! (Much cheering). lie
might be a splendid orator, but he showed in this that lie had
not much judgment.
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him Jim avoaid thgged the attention of the those for a few ion.
IWCUIS. t# pooh ',lemma I. 411 weir to the last p.. ii orient, he would
ask wit. ther they lest iou wen mioistc.s al the h. giaiiiiig or the puce
sit .10A W alseut on one i egoist pain of economy 1 % intim, they
bail me sees them opposed to the first inotions of retmeelwient, and
whether they had Rut seemed determined to go oil sod belles the mono
try to groan cruder the heavy presort of a war establislinieut its bore
of peace 9btelll w Ith which they ovoid have re.llloe,l, 114.1 they
rev built it by the sisoug voice of the poimg oyauoa
without limos, and h) the vigilance an those who shrove to glee recce
le that pabhc upiiilusi within. Many members wi o had lOW sal to the
lest session Mil lot remember—he was sure they who bat could weer
forget, %but was the kiwi of roitrericlismoi which 1:91111111eIS Mel thought
Bt to Tee° ttttt rend. They b..on by au siteisipt to cut away trues Me
pour peusiorwis. Ibis, wished to pale away the hireable mite of the
widow, in oiler to ail the labouring tie . last the ilium: hal ho.
Healy Mica. ed, vnil preeiretesi this iiiikeiteruer and ...rpm ill, Met. I he
pour widow was considered to be the lit ohjs et from *bow irony stipend
wine pales) savings wei etu be made. :she, it was Isae, heti tau ',Attie .1
Whinier. ; she had iw coeuelious whose suppriii It might be desirable
sue siii•iMers to tibial.. No: ail she haMali she piaci!, and that was
dear to her, aha had in for the einguley's c.msc, ~,,d a reduction .1
tier prusiwn WAS 11/ 11Ie exteot of her reward, tweause torsmitts its
engltilla Mice would intlitste agates{ the rigid economy which ammeters
were rleteriniued to in aeliee• (thee.) vita was to inlet because she
twill surly courplarii; hot it it was proposed to remove ail of the
Inge iseeinhrances ou the public cue.. -if Is %we isestre4 to Much
irile trf Weft golden baits which were holt, Isla fur veering pulitii tans—

.•ble of timer mills where a.• toil.tleure wets the reward or mt.
oletetsti wiltetenee—if as, of hate %tete proposed to he hmieheeir
It:sta it was sad the tide ..add be tittricote - tits public biotite*, enuld
sot he mile., eh. (liver.)

sit sogrrs rrrt e then order s.l t., and the committee di, illtd
—roc the ot htinst t t adntiom. 329.-1 or toe a inundturan, ad—Msjo.
197.—Ackloorawd At lAu o'clock.

TUF.SDAY, JUNT. 8.

FINANCE RESOLUTIONS.—On the mouln of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer.
Mr. IiIIOGLIEN brought up the report of the Committee of
those restitutions.

On the question that they be agreed to,
Mr. et:kwEst rose. lie hail hcatd it the commencement of
the Se ion a long account from the Noble Lord opposite ofte
flourishing state of the country, of the great improvement of our
trade and
.manufactures; but he had ante,: found, and din
country had town!, that the reverse of the picture was untor-
tunattny true. lie would not look fur an example of this beyond
the City which be had the honour to n.present. In the City of
Cat lisle alone, there were not haw than 4,000 persons who, by the
hardest labour of i i I.outs per day, could not earn more than
5.. 9d. per week. (ll.ar). The situation of many other parts of
the country Was not ntuen better. Was this. then, he would ask,
the time for the imposition of new taxes? If the country could
afford it, lie would not be one to object ; but the tact wa., it was
not able to pay those already impels:if, as might be seen from the
very great dithculty in their collt.cdon. The malt-tax he conderr.-
n ed. as tending to decrease the use cf malt liquor, and thervt y
giving an inducement to the ;teat lolly of the lower otthors to

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