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in defending the conduct of Ministers.. Ilia Inn,-
drip roncluded by saying he would not intrude
aps, longer inn she House, but hoped he 1)4(1 said
*efficient to induct inquiry. Ile would theleiere
wove that the word "vow" be sett out of she
motion. and "this day week" inserted istatead.
Mr. Wants twos imitteed to Peron(' the Noble
Loin's mutton the more readily, because he war
cognissot of the mousier ill riiich Ihr Cillieishiffese
of 1013 load fulfilled the duties imposed tweet
*ltem. An lionuttrable Member, with.* view to
a Nil intimuoonou of our deportmeut of the Civil
1.i.1 expenditure. had moved in the Cuirmoirser
Cu the personal attendance of one of the 'Acre* of
that 41,pgrom,id ; but in Mit termini he failed. lle
Own moved for various palms, but all were re-
fiord; anal there wee only such ilocienseuto Lod
I'efore them us the ertajorny of the Commuter
fraustainsietl WI it was) chose to send for. !le bad
always. Ilrouth professing the hialteat respect for
the Crown, 644.11 an olvecure fur inquiry ; and a
feriae he had shooed it necessary. how low 1. more
have at the corouseraceasrut of a New reign ? Ile
rosicluded by asylum, shot he should support the
motion of the Noble Lora.

Mr. Sjll9lttstioN contended that the Noble Lard
ought to Ir..r stated whet the essesoustastees were
which tt.t•k the presrot oust of the wool emarse of
proceediog. In 1818 full inquiry ass made, and the eats.
Mil,Worm of the late Misr 'Naively eerrrow4 from that of
the Recent ; therefore, wises the Noble lord tallied of s
Groom of tin Stole, he weeld inform him that the office ter.
at ii,e demise of the Crows. The Hon Member
ar.4.,..1 11.1 so. ion addition was required to the establ,shnieut
i■ latei for the Heretic, it was iscumbeat ton the Noble
I.nttl w, either that the first okulatioe was extrans.
el too else that lest might sod ought to sellee ter his Mis.
p.ity, mow that he is Kiar, tbs. whew he was lieges' only.
Ile observed, that all the How. Illensbers who had spoke, on
the °thee side, sod the Noble Lord among the rest, had laid
their finger, ow th► Master of the Hawks; but he meat
inform the Noble Lord, and those Homortable Gentle-
Mr", that to east office the possessor had as good a
right as to a freehold : it had been granted to them
for ever, sad they held it by se good • title as ray grant
of land ensile by Henry Will., or as that by which soy
N0)1.11,111 or Gentleman held his landed estate. The soma
otwervlti,rn might extend lit the Vicar of the Tower, owl the
view... small avms payable to Corporstious ; they were
■ll ream. in perpetuity, nod emild nut be abolished.
The Ifni.. Member econevided, that, looking to the state of
tbn exchange in 18IS, by which a judgment might be farm-
ed, a•,d the present resod, there we. on such difference all
the Noble Lard had segued in the alnico( the currency. He
mei preeiroled to take a survey of the Civil List, from the
photon.« word. and liveries, sad the tight of par-
to ponce, down to the Report of the Committee iu
I:e.oillesideil that the reolosnl of every charge of a fluc-
tuating nature from the Civil List, as effected by the ar-
ringeonent of 1818, w proper, and that by the classifies-
-1,.,n and method which had hero adopted, all recess was
prevented. and pn effeetnal check provided. As • proof,
of the rlTerurrseas of the check, be alluded to the
rionsisoce elf not s *hitting of debt having bees incurred
dining the f

f..re rho Art of 1816, though the eh►ck was in the Lords
or Ihe Tvesoury, as now, yet t►e►e had never before hens an
officer whositAtity if was especially to bring it before thtm.
It, ronrh.sion the Hon. Member affirmed that the Noble
Lord hs.! not made oat his case at all. The only two, in.
ntaners of Anse which he had quoted, the firm was the
Groom of the !halt, in which be was mistaken; and the
s. rood was the Ilmater of she Hawks, and the other mall
rtymenis with which Parliament could Sot deal.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he hod no intention
elist....r oP stlilressing, the !louse upon this aces.
•ios, haring.., folly expressed his skies *a a former fleeing
as t.. the mrdns of the question ruder consideration. list
hr could 114.1 firbear from correcting the mistake into which
.R.gbi Hitooltrable Grattemtut had fallen who hail

list iiineword the House. Thi• mistake wao indeed
a• en 'Nene his astonishment. Fur holt could

Mitt flotionrehle Gentlrwin so far misconceive him
10 euppetae, that in 'illusion to certain moult grants
/11111.4 is tai. pipers on the table, he meant to propose the
Atollion sir curtailment of these grants f Nothing of the
k,..1 was indeed in his contemplation, nor was it fairly to
be iledweed from the ;galore of his observations. In answer
the argument urged against his proposition for severing
mien e•tab:ishatents from the Civil List, be referred,
and very "Attu:illy, to some particolsr grants hereto-
Coe rid nut of that fund, ialtielt alight obviously be so-
(lost: it without in any degree endangering the
dignity of the Crown. AR the grants which he had quoted
on Vslany. and to which the Right Hun. Gentlest.■ had
joss refined, were precisely of that description. %that, fur
incliner, Viol the allowances to the Vicar of the Tower and
the lump,. of the lions to do with the maintenance of the
dignity or splccdour of the Crown ? There was also another
g ant in she papers on the table, which, from considerations
of delicate, he forbore to mention to the Rowe on Friday,
he means that.,to the Rat-killer.—(A land lough.)—But
menttudi.ir this officer ouw, and he hoped he should
sand rd by the House, he by no means intended
to *ay the ntikly of such au officer, may more than he
roma the exitance of rate. He could wand, indeed
look at any side of him without admitting the exist-
eare of ral•-•-4/Istr, hear, and repealed langhfcr)—end
Ist h was the number of these vermin, as well as the realism
"mums of their character, that he was as little disposed to
us an ensi to the office of rst-killer as to that of keeper of
will'er animals, the lions.—(A lapis.)—But he
could nut help thinking that utiliser of Ihese offices were
intimately connected with the splendour or dig.
hity la she Crown, that their maintenance ought to
provided for out of the Civil List. No wish
~r »as either expected ur implied is, the observe-
)6l II be felt it his duty so sishmit to the House on
rr.d.;!: It would, indeed, bare been hicossistent with
the Si,,, of his argument to make any proposition of that
113111/... k 4 It was his declared wiry, that such grants as he
Pencil to, should he rasher paid out of the COWOOII-
- Fund than included in the Civil List,as it was evident
lest li•wow gratis, were nut all connected with the maiute-
ii tore of the Royal dignity.

Sir. Tpsnpre said, that in addressing lite House upon
a suds. t of dais nature. at a time of such general and
grievous distress—at lime that our agriculture was at.
utoterislly deprived, and so very likely to become worse
—at a time sheer our Commerce was in the cognitions so
fuicibly de•tribeil this sight by au Hosoursble friend
arse him fir Baring)—al a time when oar Forma-
fsetitreys were nearly starving—at a time when the disetuoi-
tvuta arising min or such circumstances were such as to
h•rak out in various quarters into acts of unjustifiable,
a tune when the pub!ic revenue bad (auks In such
" s"asaterablit extent as imperiously on call for the most
...moms in every brawls of the rah;iC expro..lllnre.
he e.... 181 'nuke nu apology fur net...vying she attest' tilf
Ilati•e, whits be submitted the uhaervations which
sorb a ata!e of things naturally suggested to h.s mind.
The Hight Honourable Gentleman us the ether side (Nlr.
Ilitaltioton; had rested leis objection to the amendment
rul"nrcl la his Noble Friend. upon three grounds :
aro, t1,,l there wee nu preerdent for built as in.
4", r) n. his Noble Friewl celled fur—sernalnYt that
a"'Y ohjeetionaltle item or items in the paper us the
'Ale might be pointed tout used discussed without insti•
Intents any such isogniry; and, thirdly, that there had been
''" 'leek* of expendst•rc its the Civil List 'once Ike Act
" Nowilie should take the last griossi.l of objection
hy the Right Honourable Gesitleouni, and
observe,
lhat uf the procreate...of any ewers' of espentlitars beyond
111 s grant in the Civil Lest, wet.: an argument to he se.
lied upon, for the extent of sloe genet, It would seers
rash" seri/81111~i the grant of tern million% then "be
law at present proposed; Weston, the larger the mot the less
ornlistrolity there would be that any curios al smpiesullpere
'null Oecer.oe day asp debt would be incesswed. Tian as N.
Ile objectimi upon the Scare of precedent, be ihnellit he glad

to know where any precedent resold be Nisi in oar history
for wale au accumulation of cabmen!, or such a pressure
of snistartnoe as at present sillicted this country' MIA
respect to lite third groused relied upon by the Right Hose.
her Or. ) resold by 1141 mesos motto in the
pauegyric toe howl theitt‘lit proper to pion 00000 ice upon the
neraiegemen( of 18111, because he well recollected that she
arrangement was founded upon a mere stateisieut pre•
armed fir the heads of the several depertments of the
Civil Lilt, which statements She Committee in 1818
win not allowed effect sally to inqoire into, it being
einicrived indelicate to sift the matter by ally personal
examination of the Lords of the 114.1154h0hl 'spun the items
its their various estimates. There was mithiag in these esti-
mate., lie in the arrangement which followed, that ehould
solisfy the Honer, or that mold preclude the necessity of
reedier inquiry wpm, this subject. it was tosid with some
triumph by the Right IL 00000 ura'lle Gentleman, that the
present state of the Civil List was owing in a great
meerurr, to the eicilastre of the and opposite in
1618; so that after all the President of the Hoard of
Control said shoot delicacy to the King and potting bis
Majesty on board wages, there less now • Crone-
man of the name of Harrison, appointed minutely to inspect
these ..accounts of eggs and milk." as they were called on
the other side of the House, with regard so which nu Goo_
mitten of that Housecoteld coneistently be permitted to make
the sliglitest-Itiqoiry. Rot how was the notion of delicacy
regarded with respect the settlement for the Chimes ma.
blishmetit, when Cul Slieplienseni was called upon to versed§
• monde estimate of list expenses as that °dicer dill without
hesitation or reserve, and completely to the satisfaction of
those who took intaglio/.to imannue it. He tallied upon' the
House to require a similar estimate in this case leefore it eon.
Noted to vote die antemut of the Civil List. The Holm was
indeeitboond to inquire upon this sidiject for the salisfactioa
or the 'oolitic, for the credit of the Crowe., awl for the vsiolies.
lion eyries owes character. Ira dote inquiry were instituted, the
cwitiley would be contented with the grant, although 11131
grant might trot be more lima 1000/. less than the sum
now proposal. But the saving would, he was persuaded,
be considerably more, if a 'borough investigations were
allowed Io take place upon this subject. Of the fallacy
of the estimates In which reference had so afro and so
confidently been made ow this occasion, the House might
judge from this fart, that although the estimates of 18111
amounted to 1,448,008/. the Aet of 18111 was founded upon
an estimate which was introduced, making • deduction of
139,008/. and the Right Hoomerable Gentleman bad then
said, that the ground of this deductim• was the deprecia-
tion of the value of money. The Noble Lord, indeed,
had givrn other reasons for this difference iu the amount
of the estimate for the two years, and hart referred
to charges fur additional Ambassadors, and fur keeping
the gardens. But he (Mr. Tierwey) knew slut, nor could
any man know, what real payments had been made.
They might hive a mass of lowers laid upon their table, bit
wa it possible for Gentlemen to go through the details
Or those voluminous papers, in order to ascertain whether
the items made op the amount of the estimate? As so the
doetuation in the valise of mosey, if the value were greater.
then 139,0001. was not the sum; if has, the sum would
fall short of that amount. In every point of view, there-
fore, there was bee Ponied method of arriving at a keine,
ledge of the sem which was, or ought to be granted,
but by a Committee of Inquiry. 'she grounds upon
which the Committee had made their Repoli in 1811,
were the estimate made by Mr. Pitt in 1804, She average
amount of expenditure it, 'even years eliding its bill,
amid then the amount for the two years and these quarters.
The amount for the two „ sad three quarters might to
have formed no part of the calculation, became the ex-
penses of that period were Meowed under very peculiar cir-
cumstances. Another Report in 1812 took foe its basis
the expendieure of the were years ending is 1611. It was
that the estimate in 1804 wan an estimate which Mr.
Putt sever made out, mid that it was made for purposes
at soother kind. Now, although 1." wan no great Pettile,
be entertained too great a respect for the memory of
Mr. Pitt, to believe Lim capable of leisdiag himself lo a pro-
.lra of this sort. As to what was stated in the Report
of that COlNlaillfr. that they could not aseeitain the grounds
upon which the Report of 1804 lima made, he amen observe,
that many of the Gentlemen who sat in Mr. Pitt's Committee,
the Right lion. G. ntlemeit apposite, for institute (Mr. Hos.
kimono), the late Mr. Ruse, and many others were alive, and
sat span the Committee in 1811. That Committee, however,
.deemed it expedient to throw Mr. Pett's essintate aside.
His Majesty's Civil Liet Establishment in ISOI, amounted,
he believed, to n47,!100/., seal in the arrangement for
ant year, Mr. Pitt had deducted a sum of 133,0001. He
able 110 reason why ends. should sot be given to Mr. Pit
.11le believing that he could make sorb a redaction iu the
Civil List, for taking away 136,0001. from the average
onewint of the three preceding years, and the actual sum
saved was not more than 47,0001. per annum. Was them
soy thing extraordioary in supposing that Mr. Pitt, having
all the means of nice, tlining the facto. should believe that
be could effect sorb a saving to She cottony? it was
said that the average of the sere. years ending in 1811,
was the true criterion by which to form an estimate of the
Cord List. This he distinctly &sled. He would call to
the recollection of the House the great expenses of hie
late Majesty, asking front a large family, the expenses
of the canard uf Wenke, hemmed not is repairing, Imt in
improvioy the stupendous striecture drf Wiallsor Castle,
and in huildiug Keissiog o Palace for the then Princess
of •Valee, the expenses of his Majessy its removing his
family from Lofoten to Windsor sad Weymouth. Norse
of these eircosawancr- applied so the peseta day, sad a
Irate of expenditure, suited to that penal, might wit
Su be adopted in 51w present reign. The House would
sot discharge !hilt duly to their country, it they did not
watch With the greatest jealousy the proceedings of Ins
Majesty's Ministers In that part of slit Report of Ike
Conineittee in 1816, which respected the charge fur Am-
bassadors, tie Noble land (Lord Castlereagh) hail himself
neknowledged an error ..f esoloor. Now could he (Mr.
Toeseeey) be sure that there was not sow an en or of fed,oool.?
Four must eveatfol yeses, and assay changes bed taken
place, Dud it was most ioceenebeist *pose the Howse
to passe and inquire, units* they were ready to place
implicit reliance torn his Majesty's Minister', and to
sent to whet, sor the Crown might expect at their
hamar. They were tailed spa to vide 850,800 f. for the
Civil List establishment of Great Britain, sod 200,0001 fur
Ireland; but no Milady bad at any time takes, plate with
respect to the Irish expenditere. The accounts of the
Civil List had become so complicated, so many sums
bad been taken from one head nod added to another,
that it was extremely doe/Iran to arrive al an accurate
knowledge of the subyect.-1 here war anidlwe view of this
question which he consOtered So be the must importaut. The
Right Hownseable Genilenean had stated, that the mem of I legs, but -
■
88,0001. per Ronan •ppropriated tolls. Privy Purse was the they basing
only sum that properly reptsiswil to the Crown„ and he (Me.
Ticrwey) souid Wore *Wised that this sans had hew charged
epos the Corieololseed Fowl, toweled of the C45`11 List. It
was not placing the Crew.. 11. that road situation in which
it formerly stood. Formerly the Kum was considered as the
father of his people, and a grow sum was Rivas bias, whirls
he alight expend 111 sets of benelliceoce. Now, even
her Wiest, the (totes could out Sad • place is the Civil
List; sod iu a 11111 pet riding fur the R.syal Household, the
Queen of Et.cland was excluded, although re comiteed by the
Lard Chaumolor, and happily fur her represeesterl by his
Honourable Friend (.Mr. Berroghant). lie world not press VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT, Weresautresa,
this lope forth.? a 1 present, Newest it malt oirressnelly
MOND/111. MAT 8.
bosom she subject of future ihse he net
=47 of ;llama the soma 60,0081. in the cliep osal of his
it eras material to studerittagel how much of 'lost CUAPIR 4N U. CURTIS.
le."" already 11/ h." Majesty's possession. The Hull" Mr. BANES staled, this woe a bill filed for the
lielibepegreseding entirely in She dark. There were the
lhr
properly of a testator die.
11110801 of the Unehiev of Cornwall and Lasearter ; the Pts'lmari4 101911,1 C
fosimirr; he Irthi writ, antoantiag to 10.000/ and She latter tribute( according to bur will. It only hunt tweet,
Itt Ib,oool perinonel•lf 40 theti• sums Wrestickti eintbet. Gory 10 open the ',deadlines.** there was only ii sine
a year for the 3143,0011 t. which had been
whole lo,u.ront wouie
la &Vide by an ing•stry before the Allister. 'flue
he ainely.e ole thoossiol 'rotunda • year, benican imwease
tertistor bequentiten fey Ins wit' certain proper! . to
of Illy pee road. amigo the grins SWIM of. sixty thoosaiid
pounds per mooing. 'Foe Warbler of erialehaa hos Majesty's line elintlresi of (use daughter. which else sleight have
Ministers to apply large sows vat of this ittiroosiinesily I by leer then bueleanit. Jinni J.0.:4111); the children
sevens, 1111151 be ./bl.lOlllll to everyone, anti the Milsw ovoid i t., sake on the youngest of Oleos stn. 4 the age
tow how easy it ovoid be al the eve of a groom, election,
ofBl. it ap"of
til dust the were
lire children
to take 20,0001. out of the privy pursue. fire Stir purpesen of
eu„.06... H., uwsl+rtkiseratemraewish =teas psis
t„ I barn ui the Itfeettine ul John Jacob, and silo alter
self. He adne.tted that this lea. Meta tone so sword the fist- lit Ogle brcauss a willow, stet the bull clanged that

Inge a hie Majesty, but k felt that he alsnald not discharge
his duty ti the eueotry ot4 imitated the dissiket i.f Mwsiea
.'era in conaeoting ie I lei issuer reteesehotents. and dis-
charging • few unhappy clerks, while they shot their ryes
upon the improvident grant which they were called spots or
vote to hie Msjesty. He bed diacnorgril hi. duty to the
rinory, sad he trusted that the House would discharge
theirs.
Mr. Canooto said, that the Homo was now called upon
at the consineercement • New reign to do that which had
hero inverisbly dime 110 nottiar occasions. to snake • final
vote of a sum for the expenses of the Civil Gm/creme's. and
She support of the 'Civil Fiuweeholil. The first thing to he
done so she Howie was to look to the practice of former
time., and in tracing their proceedings th gip preceding
reiges sip to the Revolution, and the reign of King Millions,
they would find that men a gi-sni had been always at find
voted without annuic iuynt.y Ile to...mooed obis nut fur
:he pus pose of proving the inipiopriety of entering lido
previews inquiry, Lilt to skew that it was incumbent on
those who lecoionsended rawaystion to lay some special
groom& fur this unprecedented mode of proceeding.--
If the Civil List had undereolie No revision whatever to the
course of the late reign—or if, having been revised, it could
be Aeon Gist inner the last revision there had been great
exceeding. of the last estimate and gram, Ilia perhaps
might be alleged ss a ground fur exception net of the gene-
ral rule, and of she Necessity of shin previons investigation.
But the atuence of both these cormliestauces famished a
sew motive, in additiom to precedent, so follaw the old
customary course. The Right Honourable Geothrosast,
in slating the ground.' of hie opinion, said, most fairly,
that whets a gum was given to Om Soweerign's Privy
Purse, there was afterward* tie account of its opplieation.
He (Mr. Castling) admitted that, bit he coairoded that
that very incident was, of the mature of it, as long as it!
existence had bees recognised by Parliament. With respect
to the revemies from the Duchies of Lancaster sod Cornwall,
site latter bad bens eojoyed by his late Majesty from the
time of his accession to the majority of the Pnuce of Wales,
and the former sill the end of his reign. The Right Hon.
Gentles's,' had spoken of the iminarasse prestorty Irft by
his late Majesty; hot without pledging himself positively
fur the corrector:as of lie statement, be had every moos in
believe he 'slated what was trim vim.n be said that the whole
accumulation of property which existed at his late Majesty's
deers,. had accrued 'sorely from the evaseseacement of his
indispositsoo, during a period when be was enable to dis-
pose of Hear )
Mr. Tiallmay asked (as we understood) for what purpose
the Commivoioners had been appointed in 1811
Mr. CANNING Custimiled.—The CouNllNanoliers has been '
appointed to administer property of the King, but so small
in its amount that scarcely any Gentleman in the House
would look on it as a great acquisition, and the land. would
revert to the Crown.—(Harr, Aaiun!—The Night Hon. Gem-
ilemmo's purpose worild out be answered without ass ioquiry
tutu the Privy Purse also.—(. No," from the opposite
sido.)—Ho begged to remind hint- that he was not precluded
from lairestiarting the charges on the- Civil Lirt,nnd the
impasses on the Kuril Household, after she Civil List should
have been witted; oar the contrary, there were many is.
stances of its having been dose in the course of a reign,
but not use at the euninseocenont. Mr. Burke had caused
the whole of the household expeaditnre of the Sovereign to
be sifted with the must rigorous innietaiess 20 years after Ms
late Majnily bail aaceuJrd the thrum.. He admitted the
distressed state of the country—he admitteit Iliac the splen-
dour attic Crowe was too dearly bought by the discoateat
of the people.-•-fHear.)—Bot to deliberating on the cowrie
proper ies be panned in the present coojuninure, his Ma-
jesty's Mioniters bad Not entertained a doubt that if the pro-
position sobniiiied by dorm to Parliament should be gun.
fiord *Weir the limits of the pro/deism which was already '
to existence, the House would think that they bad dome ,
their ditty to the country no less than to their So.
vereign.o-(Hear, krar.)—He did not see what change
coold have been advised, in the way of lowering the former
-establishments. Reasons, indeed, might easily have been ad-
vanced—was the country in a condition to permit it, en the
side of an augmentation' Fur she Sovereign was expend
to many slipcases, from which he had been exempted while
Prices itegaist. The keephig a Windsor, for example, was
a new burden. Ile should have bees mood glad that the
Home bad nutuifesicil unsairoily on this qoestiois • and
he thought dial the principle of the Right Hon. Gentleman
of rigidly examining before granting say thiNg, was *either
very gracious our eery wine. He did trust and believe, that it
was the wish mod intention of the thraldom. Personage on
the Tbroue, to live strictly within the provision made to 1818,
after the MOH laborious and deliberate investigation, imd
the must extensive discussion. The effect of adoping the
original snotiou would be, that the House adhered to the
arrsiogrosest of Hill, while the people gained all that fell Is
by the death of the late Kin. 1u thesis. of 385,0001. whit*
was ruled in the account. on the table so have bens received
by she Crown out of the Admiralty' and other foods during
Ilse late reign, was included une of 110,0001. which might to
have bees deducted from it—because so much had beer ap-
plied by his Majesty to the payment of debts, fur die dis-
charge of which a provision bad been made by Parliament
of 50,0001. A year—a charge on the country, which, without
that arrangement, would have coutianed two years longer.
On She whole, he did nut see any ground laid fur deviating
at this time from lung established prec.slest.
Mr. TIBIINZT and Mr. Cantatoo moloally explained,
after which
Mr. Ttanstao said, that Mr. Perceval having appointed
eight. Commissioners iu the year 1811, with a salary of •
thulium' • year each, to administer the King's property,
he bad inferred that the property which required so mach
management was nut very small. Or on, point he bail bees
misunderstood by the Right Hoe. Gentleman; he had never
asserted or implied, that no sour should he left to the ab-
solute disposal of the Sovereign; on she contrary, he was of
opinion that many inconveniencies might result from the
adoption of such& principle; het what he wished to effect,
was, that Parliament should know bow much exactly that
sum su to be aboslotely disproed of was. It now appeared
that of the 385,0001, the proceeds of the dram of the Crows,
110,0001. had been applied, and very properly so, to the
payment of debt.; but still she whole of the sem must have
origioally gone into the privy purse.
After • short enoversation between Mr. CANNING, Mr.
Tiastnelf,asid the Council-Woof the Exeueouto, on the
last-mentioned *object, the House divided use the anieod-
meet. The numbers werr—
Apia.* the Amendment
Is favour 157
. . . . .

Mejiwily stains! the Amendment.. 119
On sour return into the gallery Sir J. Rawson? was pn his
legs, but we were unable to culled the object of the
Baronets elmervallonis they having heew almost concluded
before wee re-tedatiminee.
Mr. TISIIIIIV sand a few wools in explanation.
Sir Joun Ncwroar and the Csarccu.ost of the '-
augur* explained.
The original Resolution was then carried.
Adjourned at Tw tt.st ott.ocit.

LAW INTELLIGGACE.

the two I.itter were illeirriehete. tt was }hereon
.nicevvory in hove to iaquo'y iota thet fin tv
Slr. Titestortre sod he was Counsel f.r the
iuGtnts whip weir chivied Votive 101 l to be illegiti-
unite ; iiithusigh ilw allegistiuu wanted*, there woo
not Li little id evidence on vuipint it.
The Vick-Citeoctit.o.nu—••Tnke the inquiry
before the :11inter, and let hint tilro inquire whit ore
the prniiorlintiate oherrit the clitlarroi err willtard to
tecett, 'inapt' the will of the Trilidlol.
livh.rresl to the Mester.
Il•noeur the Vic E-CllANcrl.l4olll emit into.
Court N 1 vett is'ClUCk bad so twelve, hr
having got •tvuuth Itty imiwr r r raiser*. lie win
take the a'assi.ris horst fur Wer1;04141", oil lef.rai.f=
few ; 41111 c•nives for limber direcilimir. ow N'trduer-
day ; tuuttiinv,uu Friday; nod *hurt ceases, 041 Sa-
turday.

COURT OF PEING`g BENCH. Wsnimmit,
AIaNDAr, May S.

TUX KING v. HENRY HUNT. ESQ. AND °TRIMS.
At smear!! hour tics MOT ll Itt Mr. How. accom-
panied toy Messes. Johoson. firmly. mod liansforil,
approved WI Ilse floor of the Court of King's !kiwis,
to Iwor Ihr opinion of Ilir Court Upeil the paints
urKed by Mr. hunt, in support of his mtnittliTor a
uew trial.

SIN, If after eleven o'clock the Judges took their
sea... an 41

The CHIEF JIHITICII proceeded to deliver his
op. . He iiiiiiii rimed by stating. that this was
an indictment against Henry Hunt. Esq. and other
D•fendinits fora conspiracy. It had occupied •
great deist of the piddle nine, and since the trial
several new points hail been urged its behalf of the
Defetulanta, in support of a motion for • new trial.
Upon 11011 e of these prows had he the least doubt.
The first was the refusal of the Judge to receive evi-
dence touching the c loot of the military in die-
peering the ineoing. The matter at tissue was the
consluct ol the meeting itself, it. legality or tllegali'y.
Now that point could not be decided by the act of
the military—their 'opposed misconduct could never
decide whether that which had, iii point of time, pre-
ceded it, was or was not illegal—their violence. if
it were so, could not justify the previous appear.
once of ',Wetter on the part of the meeting. But
in fact any doubt is; that point most be set
at rest by the verdict of the Jury, which did nut
charge the m.,ting with intendisig violence at the
time, but sills endravouriug to excite the people
to hatred and contempt of his Majesty's Govern.
orient. The secant: objection related to a certain
paper. which contained what was called the Smith.
field Resolutioses. It was said, on the inn of
the Defeudants, that this paper had sin reference to
the affair at Alasicheater. and ought not to have
been received in evidence ; it was also mid, that
even if it were rdinitatible, the mode in which
it was received was informal; fur as the printed
paper must bawd been taken frum some manuscript,
cleat manuscript ought to have been produced.
Now, ow the latter argument he would only say,
that as the printed paper came in that form front the
hands of one of the witnesses, it was endue= ter-
'tinily as against him. A. to the other point, the gr..
nand admiwibility, he thought it clearly admissible
to shew the conduct of a person who had just before
presided at a meeting like that convened at Man-
chester. and who w;is to perfortu the same once in
• place where he had no local connexion whatever.
The Learned Judge then went over the objection
urged against the admission of the evidence of the
training and drilling at White Mom, tits assault
on the constable. and the subsequent hissing
at the door of the latter, and said, that he
thought all had been properly admitted in evidence
on the trial. With respect to the inscriptions on
the banners. and the necessity of producing the
banners hi Court, instead of admittiag oral evi-
dence of their inscriptions, lie denied that the
boomers bad any analogy to the case of writ-
ings; they were more -like speeches, and as con-
veying the sentiments of those who adopted them.
There was no analogy. .lretween the production of
writings in civil vises sod that of these banners in
criminal ease. In this case the evidence respect.
ing the inscriptions was cleat ly admissible, for other-
wise public justice might be defeated ; as its a va-
riety of instances. though the inscriptions were
clearly liven. the battings might not be captured.
and Fri the hands of those who could produce them
in a Court of Justice. With respect to the Judge's
charge, lie tl slit it fully borne out by the evi-
dence, and the effect of that evidence it Was for
the Jury alone to determine. He saw no grimnids
laid fur a stew trial in this case.
Mr. Justice Flohaoxo and Mr. Justice HUT
then stated their full concurrence in what bad fallen
from the Chief Justice.

Justice BAT LIT said, that if he entertained
nay doubt upon any of the points. he should not
have failed to have expressed in the strongest terms
what that doubt was ; but upon a careful conside-
ration of the whole of the arguments, it appeared
to him that no foundation had been laid on which
the Court could grant a rule fnr a stew trial. He
should nut go much at large into the subject, be.
cause he entirely concurred with the observations
of the Lord Chief Justice; but on one or two
poinis he would wake • few observations; rod Bat
with respect to the comfort of the soldiers ; he con-
sidered at the time, and still thought he should have
been guilty of an nbandonineut of his duty, if he
allowed evidence of that Let to hare gone to the
Jury; for the dein...woe of the crowd, not that
of the soldiers, was the issue they were tryiug. If
the soldiers had misconducied themselves they were
liable for such misconduct to be tried; he there-
fore conceived it proper to reject the evielreice offered
by which they would have been prejudged. To re-
but the evidence or ti.i.o. mid Entwistle as to
the conduct of the meeting. the most complete evi-
deuce was allowed on the pert of the Defendants,
and much evidence was given to that point. Very
early lei the ciee au Oriel:twos was takes an the part
of the prinrcutiuot. that tantrum of particialm sets
or the whiter* ahoulJ net be received. and lot had
these ruled it mould not ; vii the third day of the
leial. to prevent mistfusiceptiati.s. Ike had meutiosed
it again, and be woold mod to the Court (Nous
a piloted accouset of the Anal, which to SW port
was. lie believed, qecte sweet) vilest be thee said.
[His L.ordslop brie mut the 'amigo, the purport
of sown was. that 110 1.4101•11.,410% ~halt his Lead.
!jut, 66,1 said ou tieekpreleiesee. wimpeal. it !weaver.
freely moue to the •Helemetineteto girt Olidellm to
„hew the peaceable cocduat, of the riogesiesg.l