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r dr,‘ed ace step further with this foul and inta
mans Cill until they had probed this matter to the
hoitem.—(llear, hirar.)—lf after the progress they had
elrearly sassdr, Wafter the evidence they had already heard,
their Lordships were to be told they most still go on, he
could mot conceive how they rouldproreed miles, this basi-
ems were thoroughly rifted.—(l/ear )—Altd tf the fact
should be proved, as it slow appeared in evidence, he thought
they ought at mire to rid the country of the overwhelming
• of this horrid pruceeding.—(lfear, hear, Leal)—
Hr could not consider this as a dry question of technical
lay—they had thrown all law aside—they had determined
upon Inoue what they hid previously decided nut to be an
offence against any existing law of thic cisuntry.--(//rwse.)..-
we hive COW 10 /Itch • slime ns to call on your
Leirilehips to put ao end In this proceritin!, because whether
there is more or lees proved, there is eat enough on the fare
of it to warrant your retaining this Bill of Expediency. At
I,e, my Loots, we have ironic to such a stale, a Olt to such a
e „that ifihi.chatgrofimputedagencyrsnbesubsinnliatrd,
Monk !Iv re la 1106 one layout' Loril.hips but must think that
the Itre3O It ol Evict they car do to the advocates of the Bill,
mud to the parties interested in it, if such a party does exist—
( Hear, Mar)-1 say if such a rerty does exist, though whir, e
lam utterly at a Inas 10 (tractive—l think, my Lords, how.
veer, it there is such a party, thai the greatest blessing we
CIA confer oti them will be to rid them of it, for if nut, it
will ham: aimmel them, snit kuerk down every thing which
elre country would wish to hold up. Ilimever wrong it may
he to ivtetpuve any thing. I say that now you hr.ve such Pei-
Ocoee in the Cale of iuhurnat ion, that you roust sonl,-ind will
ion, quit it till you have sifted it so the bottom— hear )

• .
The Earl of Dosnigliatore—" My Loots, I find it peeu-
liroly 3eCCOMirlf at this present moment to allude lo 3 speech
which my Noble Friend has just Made. My boils, se I
conceive, %hie is a mere dry question. ou the admissibility of
•vi.ence, and on which the Noble and Learned Lord leas given
a learned and able statement, indeed as he atones does, but
sips... which my Noble Friend (Lord Earl'areal') has inter-
rose with such a speech an I■w sure was never heard on
such ea occasion; and I contend, illy Lords, that my Noble
1...,end ought not to have uttered such a epetch. If my
Noble Friend had been provoked by something which bed
been said is rlehaim—some particular occurrence in debate—
calling up all the angry feeling of my Noble Friend to utter
such a vetch, as, I repeat again, that I believe I never tom('
on a m ave piiiceedittg, and upon such a period of a grave
pi ocee.ling as the prestos. ht the midst of inve<tigaiom of
es irtenre, my Noble Friend dues interpose, the question be-
lay slyly o he t her you will receive or not a certain ululated
point of t, imuny ; my Nuhle Friend oderpuses and mikes
a {curial stretch upon the whole of the evidence, and rpm
the whole of the principles of She (till, which was wholly
investigated before you mitered into the evidence at all.
Wee there ever Meehan opportunity taken for making such
an appeal to a court of Justice, pending evidence on it
trial • My Noble Friend calls forward evrry inflammatory
tiTic, for such it may be called its the alietrict, not
V. inflame the lilleituse, but persona out of the House.
There is nothing which could have been urged as a
bloc of inflammation, and to call your lordshipe. atten.
t•en from the proper mid stave cousideration of the
•alyect that 11311 not been urged iy my Noble Friend. lie
Ito. talked of the dangers is which we are ousug in plunge
oursrliree by the farther consideration of the Bill. We have
kern arveral days investigating a subject, I will confess, of
the dee;••s, interest sad insporiaoce, and I say, my Lords,
unhurt wirier!' 1 am UM WU person here esti have sal to
hereto [ale without the nioo painful fey Lfenv)—he.
ranee of the cirtosaitancts which have brought this pro.
er•ditif forward to your lordships' consideration. Af-
ter having heard ?yodeller, and when, I betel, the
;realm part of the evideace is over, instead of allow.
!Ng tie to come to a grave 0131C13911,11 can the subject,
iv bets we aright to noose to • decent and solid investigation
of what we have heard, illy Noble Friend starts up nail de.
roes vow So du, what ? Why, just after a grave argistnerit has
been delivered to you front the table—(o laugh)—from the
N.1.1e and learned Lord on the Woolsack with respect to
this silmiseibtlity of a piece of toriderce, my Noble Friend
,tame top and puts au end to the Bill altogether.—
I a 11l ant niter into any argot:neat, hermitic I du not thick
ni v./rear! in any sober mauler—iffear)—to enter into
.^• Issremetot upon the subject ; I have m►rely stated the
• ',commences under which say Noble Fri. nal has 7,osse. I
hair <istrrl the south's' he has made, sir the ides • hide he
hi< thrown out for )(Mr consiticratioiC—( lbws, hear.)

t... 1 Cimarron—My Lords, my Nobble Friea says that
suttstsopted these proacerdiags is a most strange Man-
ir • •inil hare • i•htd to draw your animate. away from she
f; •I • fill before you. Mr LAtrile. beg you nut Su II oppose
it lam doseutsiseg my eltli fittings. My Lords, what 1
(.01 upon your laverlships to du, and what I did rise to
• • uproar your Lordship* lo do, was upon a rase huffing
I r establiolsott by evidence of owe person stpust the part vof
; souse how ur :souther couittcterl, whelks, conneestot
hy it i eel instructions or its • hateter measure tmoneettol
s Ow Milan Commission, Witte she charm. of bolo•ry has
I.• established, that your Lordships would 1.119k0d all
investigation till that gursiime had been brought It,
; 4111% I dial call on your Lan &hips, if that (hirer was
i that yon would be humid, as I think you
o. !he bound, to pbt end to this Bill. Wheshor
oi I t• nut 11w -oltirti, and whether it was net the
what 1 'amid, I appeal to your Lordships.
s• what I believe w tw Ili.. danger, ;tool what I I. el to
ti• the it: eel. My Nolde n lend says, was ever such
riitesh braid on such au occasion. Let any Nadi. rowan'
ti I .soth an oecasion(logild Cries of Hear, hcor:—Pind
1:.• • there sill be nu difficulty is boding such a spyrels—
( ffe..!•, /tear.)
T,:.- Lord Chancellor-1s i 1 your Lordships' pleasure Oat
tt.e %stints. be agsin called'

T 1 e Shot i-bend 'filer was alevired lu Mill the 1.41 Tn..
t.

[lad you any further conversation with Rash,lli about
wt si Italielli was doing with the wilueesi a ? The hart time
ti• it I hail any contorsation with him 1 was ic from
t!-.• %tate, of ihr Pune, and 1 hail a eutiveriation with him in
a it;., and afietwards 1 had a cooversation with low in
..tor places, but we talked a little, rod then we talked
t'oe subject, and then we owned to other disroursis
tvi.e J.y we we►e cotton out of the Custom house, and 1
out of the bulwarks of Milers, and we were then
about the 'atomises, he told nor that he had gone
1.. b. r•y cossulry 21.00 R 11111.11.4“, and that when be wa. in
any i..uotry lie mint to ask for witnesses, nod those • it-
*ilia to u.k Whet., and then thr) monied ;
rod l!e has asked whether they wished to Jiro, against lie.
Hu) Hiclineali, and that ‘114.11 he a.krd of them. ••
go to Milan with use
toad Efkohorosith imitated • thclber the litho., Ind will
'ft erf' or'
T!,e loterpreter.—' Whether they would go '

I.,aml42lioss nsemtil.

1,1.11' 'rhea sh. s, breakfasted al Catiossi, and Gone sheer
th.y .VIA to .lure they singed %hen they armed at %lass
ti,., sr►ut altogeshee to Ihr in,. of Naiad esemeld ; s htn they
nese an she 11111 Rj.ieth sold she tookeever tugs', then, et try
fluor they *sealed fur sbeir ;sensate, and that limn. 1111 e after
gnosis, r, ths y ae.a saints btfure sue Adeucale liaise:eats
and the ',thee Euschoh.

A k of un any Of those occasions he further said that he
bail !11/id InenCy tv an, of thud'. wituriqies
The Sulichor-4r•uial objected to the question briar put
tit 11, .51. +Wier

Tke Lewd ilumeerlor—DA be say aay 'blur ■huut pat-
log m•puty—abrlbrr tar, itaatells. e'er 03. d alit thi..;
ab out rasing slum ' Ile told et.- th.t he bad kepi
‘PreN days at WI 11116, aud that be Is id rats.l tales,' forty
frame a each tut theuvaelves.

Did he say any thisto shoot tlu repenees besides flr
told mr be !mitt W •II the pet,plr th.t I c hrooteltt front may
wintry tin tr Ilene*, hut the. ill ittelittuoi be owe fin)
(rape., and 1114: ha per Ali) fr.tairs to Havel.
any body rlAs • 'fit finemtom forty frames;
to Liston &.ti•i fetty ; anal I think tu.t) it .11C% SO EVA/WI/CO
Cobeei—Anthaure KaCCVIII, ot I.rglautta, trtd slim laud forty
lireers.

Now ••k kins wheihef tie 111.1, et this time alt•ii *be money
es is Incl., 14111. d, loud %okra K held!' gave the 411.1•0110,
lit•i apy 'll was saiJ about their mycoses? fur the
rat.ewu ; hut be lOW Mr. that .bell hr *ent fiats my coun-
try a•plo)ill a postdate, tat the pasties, 'cal that he
pail she Mon. y for it.
Did h. be) situ paid thr sapettaes at the iee, the

• peaks of the people? There were many from my country,
and they were all of them at the inn where tliep.were.
Ask him if Itutelli said who skirl the ohrenoes ot the
inn He said that he paid them In the Al forty Hanes,
and then he said that he paid the innkeeper, beessisoiso said
the witnesses had forty francs clear.
Cross-exinniaard by the Sulicitor•Geaoral.
Where did those witoesses come from to Milan? From
Gair poi to soy, .coseatry, sod from thessooto Niko.
flow rimy miles did they travel from their homes to Mi-
lan ? Twenty.right mike.
lkos,the witness mean that it was 28 or 31) miles they
have to go to Mike? I do.
Von said something shout Ragazzioni ; where did he come
from ' Rastelli came to my country, and sent liruza to
frith Ragas:iota from Dario, which is four mites from my
e ttttt itia.
• Dors the witness meat that it was four miles nearer to
Milan than his residence, or four miles further off? I mean
i! was four miles neon r to SI ilan.

llid all the ',devises go from Gatzont to Milan loge,
thcr? Yes.

Ihd Henri live at Gutzon' 7 Yell.
Wag Henn *cm to fetch Ragaairioni to Gatzoni Yes,
Hastelli gent him.
Huw long were the pittlesses visit from Gatzoni to Mi-
lan • They went as HA; liked; it might Le a day and a half.
Hnw fitr is our extremity of the grotto from the other
that you 'poke of yestarday ; 1 'wean al the Villa d'Este?-
1 .10 not mean positively; 1 have !wen is it several days, but
1 do tint lowly the soil:thee of feet.
llow many feet do you believe it is long Above 50 feet,
tint I cannot say enetwly; 1 could speak snore correctly to
measurement in Bruen.
What leorth is it according to the mesaurement in &litchi ?
It might be 12 or 15; 1 eanuut swear to it, fu► 1 sever men..
sand .1.

Will you swear it was net 'wore than 15 Bracehi 1 can.
net; it was about the length horn the folding door to the
throne.

What arc yoo to he paid for coming here to give your evi-
dence' I have not received any thing, but I have made
my calculation 1.,r my time and loss; because, unless I had
compcnaliun, my father and children would not let me
come. At Milan, people are in the habit of changing their
houses at Michaelmas, ■nd if I were absent it might prevent
me from employ during the remainder of the year; I was
theref•,re obliged to pay a person to act fur me at MINN
■tad another in the country, as I was told I should be absent
from Milan fur two the. My son not being able to at.
tend to the business, I was obliged to ruiploy the persons
I have mentioned. I agreed to be paid 2,100 Gases Aar any
him that I might sustain hereafter in my business. The
calculation was not made by me, hut by au Advocate, who
considered it a proper and fair allowance.
.

Brinks this ;tun; are pour eXptIMPII to be paid ? They arc.
What is the nape of the Advocate that you made ibis
°pranced with? 1 dial not ask for his name.
Does be live at Milan Yes.

Is his name Putadgi ? The writing had been looked over
by the English Gentleman, and un the following day he
sulked MP if the writing had been signed, and I told hiss, yrs.
Whitt was the name of tbe English Gentleman ? Idu not
know ; I never asked.
Was ♦sasati present No.
Thu you meet Vassal' before this writing was made nal
No; I met him after the writing hail been made out.
Dol you never see him at Milan !wiper ou this tastiness
uevir meddled before in this business.
Where dill yon meet General Pino ? General Pin,. was at
my house while I was head moss,.
Did you OCC Gen. Pino be fore you signed the paper .! No.
Did you ever spill,: to lons before signing the paper on
Ibis bodiless Neither Ist fire nor after ; I met /Wei, the
architect, on the stairs of Cutters! Pitro's house, sad he told
me if I was willing to go, that Geurial Pioo would take
ease that l should be paid any loss that I should sustain by
going:

- Did General Pino uoJertake to pay you ' I did not see
General Pinis, Raiii hail just lift the Geiseral when he told
Igoe what 1 ha►e jost slat' d.
Who then is to pay you for comitor here' Vaasali.
Were other pervinei prescul health, Va.uli whys. you nude
your ngreeinelit ? Nu, nor even Was V .11.}1111 present ; he
has not She slightest nrou•crn 111 it, except fur to sec that I
ow paid._

I asked you just now, and you raid Vanish was to pay you.
Is that the fact ur not' It IS,

ioit said that there was a bill due to you from her Royal
Highness; has it not brew paid ? It has 'WM paid.
When was it paid ? 1 was paid part of it in January, and
the other part in 31arch, 1819,
Was it paid to you after the meeting of viiiiirsses of
which you base *poke n ! Whets I spoke to Raidelli about
Ibis business it had out beets paid.
How long after that convirsalion with Rastelli was it
paid ? IVlien Hamel!' began to talk to owe about this bossi-
ness, 1 told him I had received the snooty from her Royal
Highoesv, which was paid in Jausiaiy, 1819; mud 1 told
him that I expicted to a short time that the balance would
be paid.

11ow anon afte► this coaversation with Rasietti ilia you
sm. :ire the money .! 1 have tallied of the mouth of Mast+,
wti.•i. I was still w /otiosity of pit of my amorist.
That is not an allitlitr to my question. Hues Mae is it
sinee you sieved the full payment of your account boat
her ifoyal Ilighaess? I received it the latter end of the
month of A prii, or the brittle's,' of the .oath of May.
In the present year ; in the year 1810.
Will you swear besides the agreement sr 2,100 francs,
you have not entered into an agreement with anv priraon of
persons to receive nay farthe► soma moue, ? Ttore is an-
other sum to receive f..r my [nosily at bore; fire or six
Laoo a day for my homily at home 7, the ago eement wus not
mask with use, but with my son.
Mr. Brougham observed, that the laterpreter had no
right to justify the answer of the witness, but to give his
evidence curnctly ; he was sure their I.airdahios would out
t insider he was taking too prat • liberty obeli he was cut-
reeling h, own lattepreter.
The Lord Clisucrltur said he would be Counsel for the
Int, 'Titter, and tell him that it was Ins duty to give thb
BUM. r 1..61141'01y.

'Who non& the agreement. with your son' The Atilt,-
este -4....

Is V.saali to pay that ? 1 do sot holm etbrihrr hr has
grooved it, hut Ite is tOlllO iVM it of-; 1 isorutled soy
Lent- and busmen to be russuaderctl •lule 1 was here.

Ara I Ikea to suit. retard that you are to be plat lire or
six rimier yter4l.ly through yore sun, Leval,. the 2,100 Ilsues,
sad to receive a further emu fur )11411' raper.. a here In She
tura if my time the 2,100 francs sole a ruorithrraiiou fur the
km I may hereafter rurtain in in) Wilma&
What are you to be paid for your tors of time here ? As
th.Y base told sot I might in a womb and a half return
to Icy family,l rapt( t a Napoleon per day, but they hire wit
reuniter-41 it lo me.
• )f arty have nut prolonged it lo woo, Its you not eicpeet it
If they give it to me l will nut refuse it —(a httigh)—ti they
Au out give it tu Igoe I have No rtes. to its,.., ii.
Mee they out behaved au towards you that m eke. you
sit tint )uu will rreeive it ? I have hop, i ill ) may.
(A knelt.}

Bess.i.s these sums that you lore mentioned, II •P any
promise been hen unt to you of revised to yuu or soy part of
your family
'CU base apok. et of a person aline name of Rath f Y'‘.
Is be not an al. hit. ci • Yes, he tit n friend of my family,
alid:d•res my biesine.s, and for what lust I may swatatis by
brok away hum toy Miaow's be IS to teach my sou Lis pro-
Itistrn.
lb, yua mean 11:iti was held out to you as an additional
induct Mei I in fume hire ' In leg nr.l to thr Nat...lent a day
for dry 1011.14 hate "elf, I hare lota obliged to Ax a person
at Milan, 'outlier in the country no attend my Wattle... fur
any eon ivatil nut attend it, a. I said b. (...re.

11nat, is nut !tam to test h your 1.011 his profession. as
part of Ow steroid you are Su receive Cis, coming here'
UNI of friendship to any family, Int:SUM' any son l's
runs ori.
Are plit lout In rsosid Rani fur this' I must recom..
pease Lon in some nil or other fur the time he hare, as
esv pram is emit kd to licompesse fur his titan%
Halm you promissil Rath may icconapense 1 Nu; he.is
Mat • Msitiiiitni 111:111, that • promise mould Ise aserovisy so
'Mast lit is dying for uty sun is oat ;Obits*

'i

ship ; but certainly, as a• honest man, I should think my-
self bound hereafter le make him some compensation.
Is he not the architect of (' I Pluto, and was be sot
also lb, architect at her Rept! Higlonem? Yea-
Arc you In han ariy.sidesr beseltt or advantage for min-
ing to this country? Tee, tie arteriolar: of being sent back
to my .11111 COO 1101,7•.(A Safi k.)
Has Retti her. employed Is take plass of the Villa sr Eal•?
One day we went together to lake a plan.
Wise thee*.(... phi. taken of the Vitt' Vitriol? I do wet
know.
Does he knew of any other plan being taken by Rafts for
this hosiers, except the plan of the Villa d'Este ? Daly a
pert of the Villa d'Este, not the whole.
Dues ►e know of any plan of asy,part of the Villa d'E•te
being taken for this proceeding except that part? I have
seen no other.

In that room where the statues of Adam and Ere were
placed, were there not two doors? Yes; one to ge in, and
atwitter to go oust —(Larghte7 )
What was the breadth of that room' From the outside
of the bar heAtre me, to the third bench, more or less.
That is about four or five yards? 1 don't know exactly;
I never measured it.
Ne•azemiefti loy Mr. Williams.
How many men had you in your employ ? Thirty brick-
Jaye's, and thirty Pior wr tkirly•five helpers.
Whit was the name of the English gentleman you talked
with about coming over ` 1 tis nut recollect his urine ; he
was a tall man.

Was it Henry Yea.
Now 1 ask yew, when you were talking about coming over
hen., was any mention made ahowt what you were to be
allowed for expenwes • N•Nbiag; 1 bad been within with
the arrbilect about this affair.

Were the sums you have mestioned those axed by Ratti,
when you spoke of the matter Yes; because I asked hien
kis opinion, and I told him all my difficulties, because the
Englishman wished to know exactly, being a man of con-
science.

Did you tell the Englishman the sum Rani had fixed
Yes.

Who told you that Vassali was to pay you ? The Archi-
tect, Rani.
You having said that there were two doom to the room in
which the statism were, I now ask you was there any cornice
to that mum, to which any work was done at suy time?
During the tiers, that I was with her Royal Highness, I
never sent any body to work is that place.
The RolieitucGeneral asked the witness, whether a Hiss.
ter meant the same thing in Italian at in Euglish, viz, a
fl it column with a capital and base Any implant to ■
building is railed a pilaster; if I place a pile of brick. and
mortar iu the middle of that flour, to prop up the ailing,
I would call it a pilaster.

By Lord Ellenborosch—Was there any pilaster in the
room where Om statues of Aden and Eve were? There arc
some sit pa; a column; pila•lns, •ne. after the other.
• '

Near which of the to o dour; Was the pilaster? Near the
entrants..

What entrance' You enter, and as yon go on you find
the room with the pilastert.
Then was it Mil by the entrance from the grotto 7
The luterpreler—He says there is tio entiauee from the
grotto.
Where Ilion did the other door enter into the room from'
No. r 2 (pointing to the ptaii`, is the entrance to the grotto
from the hill; (runt the road.

Whcit dud you Wild the conversation you hnve mentioned
with Raslrlli, about the sum due to you from the Princess
Its the winuilt of June, July, nr Auzutt, fur he was always
coming, mid we weal uul tnetber.
The year 100.

Dui not the witness in a former answer say that the last
lain due to him from her Royal Diglmess was paid in April
or May,lBl9 ? Yes, for when that conversation took place,
there was still some reuraisider due, and after that converr
satin.. it was paid.
Then the last payment was not made in the months of
April or May 1819? It was.
Then who n witness had this enn lint, wit► Rastelli in
1819, of what sum due from her Royal Digharter did Ire
speak? Them I advanced a hilly, but they were talking of
someihiew Owe.

Do yon mean to say, that between Ihr months of May
and Jone another Ma became slue to you from her Royal
Highness 1.0.
At the lime of that conversation with Rastelli, did her
Royal Highness owe you any thing Refore,as I have said,
in the th of February, sloe was in my 404 , bat Hm,
when I had the ro lion, I was in ailymore.
I wish to know when the witness held Dim conversation
rest...cling the 45,500 francs doe to him front her Royal
Highness the Prioress of %Vales' I spoke whet I came to
Milan in March' or the beginning of Fehruray.
Moat year? Last year, )hl9.
Theo •us I to sot. rsisoil that the last payment of that
ilibt was mole very WWI/ aro r that cowry...allow with it,..
tells in the same month fore the COUVetialiOn with Kiis.
tells, that sum was paid , the conversation I had with him
after the payment.

How klig blfun the hst payment was the conversation
with Romig. ? I have tutu, and bay agaiu, dim it was II

Then am 1 to unthrstand that the conweisation with Ra.-
tl•th and the pay float took place i• the sane mouth ? 'She
payment was made in May, but the runwersatitin took plate
in March.

%%hut pert of March? I don't know the slay; it was
when I scut to Mil•uu.

%Vas it the hi-gunning, middle, or roil of March Ido
not retort/ob. r.

At whet period of May was the last payment made?
About the hezianitm, I believe.
Dud witness after the eunvelsation with Raliklli, make
any immediate spplicatioo to her Royal Highest's for pay_
meat ? I was at Milan, and saw Haste ; and I went lit.
li.rwarsla 10 I s aro.

IN. 1601)11 after the conversation with Rarerlli did you
make soy apphcaliun fur itnyosesti ? I have said that I raw
Niue at Milan, and then when I returned home I wrote to her
Royal Hijlon•sr at P.m u, and I ■eked for the motley, and
the paid me.

Did you ever mention to •any bialy the couversathin you
had with Rasa.lli I went awny.
When did you fins mostion at to any body ? When aalcvd
at my morainal .

Dui you ever mention that circumstance to her Royal
Highue►r, or any IK.r►uu in her suite —After I gut my
moue!?

be, slim, repented.
Nu; liersat I told you I went to Pesaro to get the money.
She was at Pesaro, and I returned to Milan.
Before you gut pier tummy, did you neention that con.
vets:must to any one Pesaro? It was taut a huaiarss to
be told to nay body. I told isoib.ng of it to any body.
fly Lord o..la.Ware—You have stated that there were
pilasters Nene the room whirr the statues stood—could a
person behind them see the staines? It appears to me im-
possible.

ey Earl Gnisve ))))) —Hare you seen a ',lan of the house
*Mut you c.we ro this country Nu; I 114VC it ill :sty Oats
Mind
Wit the passage leading to the grotto winding or straight
Nu, it is not w ; da pt•rwa goes ►tesight forward be
breaks his sera ; Mr walls arr undulatory, bat the passage
is straight.
fly lord Dr Dunatiturille—You base said that Rastelli
told yun certain witnesses were pad 40 francs a dim, mid
that they wire seven Jays at they that for the
•bole time, or daily % Ouse only.
by the Ertl of Landerdsle—Wiist was the amount of the
lasi pyr•rns you r•c.irsd (rum her Royal Hightircs The
balluf the 4:5,000 francs which was slur to me.

Wheu was the win t half paid? The first h;11 was receissd
in my 'name by SI. Limp, at the cud of January or else begin-
ning of February.
%%list was the largest sum Ilse Prioress ever owed you al
the unit' 45,0011 Gimes ; but when that payment was made
II aniousted, with interest, to 454100.
Has WA the *item...l..lll,rd, that the Priareas once tiwrd
bias •115,ttOY flares? '1 hat was the groxs sum us my books.
Initialer ay accounts were inspected there sias,an 'near of
454000 francs.
• I%'aa•there any olijeclion roads to your seeonals' No.
btliat was the reason fur keeping backikatiptios ' I was

in the habit of receiving money evegketontb, or six weeks;
did not tebeive it all at the same Sims.
At the request of Lord liaellendale, the eiterf•lteed *filer
read • paiwage from Slav witarsitt trstinistay in the mutaing,
respecting rasielli, and the eassistassiims was continued by
the AIM ?tub e Peer.
WieetheliAsstelli said flint he went fur each witness him.
self, o', that when he west (or Wk. witness, 'bet witness went
to get souther ? Itartelli said to me, 'babe seat tot each

Has the witness often been at the Villa Write I
was always at the Vtlla trE•te, brunet. I was born there ;
after her Royal Highness acquited the Val. trlllete I went
—(iVe lust the remanokr of the aitawtr.)
The

stemma then stated, that her Royal HTg►aess had had
some painting done to a ceiling at Hatt Villa Este; it was
painted in small panels, with flowers and reirdallions, iis
chicory sews.

By the Earl er Lauderdale—tiv you recollect the alma-
t ions of the bsthinr•ruon► at the Villa dihae ?--

Mr. &mugham eiuse• led in the qnestums. Nu allusion load
been made to that circumstance by his Majesty's Attorney.
General lie his opening statement. He wished to warn their
Lordships of the consequence of eisfferirg evidence to lw
given show new frel• not previously adverted to. If ell.
t!ence were now received against her Majesty shunt this
beth, it might impose a nereseity oar him of applying fur a
folitlirr ,lelay in the pnweeilioci of four or five wee", to
bring over err srieuesses to reply to it, cud answer anothrr
public twilit color.

The Earl of Lauderdale said, he had a right In examine
into any part of the conduct of lice Majesty, win:flirr it had
bress spoken to by Counsel or not.
The Chancellor said, that a Peer, in hi% erori-exartli-
tsatinn of a *Auras, was nut bound to confine himself to this
facts, rixpecting which questions had beets put by Counsel
on either side.

The Earl of Lauderdale maintained Ilia right to pet the
question, and that without beans called a " public peer.
cutur."

The Earl of Darr.ley said, that he had been stopped yes.
terday by that very Noble Lord, wiwn he was desirous to put
• question that came whims the same description. In this
case the House was acting in the various characters of
Judges, Jury, and Legislators, aye, and Prosecutors also. He
had heard a great deal about (11(8'4 and decency. in Bat
House, but he could not help observing, that mote/libelist&
log alt he had beard, certain Noble Linda anomie them, be
•hoishl not say whom, instead of being impartial judges--
We/seri" Order")—bad 'evinced a spirit of a very different
kind.—(" Order, order.")
Lord De llaustaaville deprecated personal disputa-
tion or altercation, as inconsistent wails the dignity of the
House. He bad always niolcrstirod it was the part of every
t. thanel to incline towards the accused, and he conferred,
that according to his *rare of what was right, he felt a lean-
ing towards the side of her Majesty.
Lord Redesdale said, that language like that used by
the Nobly Load who hod spoken last hut one, was not to be
borne. Ile could tell that Noble turd, that he (Lord Hades-
dale) was fully its impartial as himself. Sure lie was that
the olio rvaliou restricting partiality applied to she relate
side of the House Inure than to that on which he (Lord
RA, Adak) stood
Lord Ilullaild was noxious, be said, to save the Honor
fa in the vinilecati which Ind h. ,a offered fur its con-
'loft by the Noble and Learlied Lord who had spoken
la-t. Such a mode of defroiliisz himself and the Howie
as had been offered by that Noble and Learned Lord
'night be very fir...lA.lml w vindirittienr the conduct of the
Noble sod Leanwil Lord, bail it lett that of She House in a
condition loth h. Her thou that in which it was by the im-
putation of poi tastily which hod love' thrown oat. The
Notate and Learned Lord, to save himself from that impu-
tation, and to prove that there could be no partiality at all,
LrJ declared that all the partiality was on one aids-.-(Hear)
and all the justice and impartiality on the other, which was
of cools,- the side which the Noble sod Learned Lord him-
self had taken. To relieve the House from the effect of
such a defence, such a proof of its iniparfliality, be (lased
Holism& must say, that as far as be had observed, there had
Lean nothing to their Lordships' proceedings hitherto which
could fairly merit the reproach of partiality. Now, with
reap..et to the gnestion before their Lunlships, be wa my
Cyr floor deo' ii.g the right of laity Peer iU go line any matter
of inquiry aLich be might choose to pursue. He hoped,
howeer r, that the Noble Lail would for4iee him fur otreerv.
tug, that although every Peer possess" d that right, it was
n. erssary, fur the couveinence of the House, and for lire elm.
tatter of whet was dime ill it, to limit the exercise of such a
right to the matter included in the origival inquiry. He con-
ceived that nu quest ious ought to b pot which were likely to
raise an) new inquiry; because, as a molter of right, of can.
dour, anal of stair antial just lee (the only genie, after all, snider
whatever fiwises they might endeavour to arrive at it, which
their Lordships land in this proceeding if • Peer knew any
forts which he might think it necessary for the ends of jog.
tier to elucidate, instead of starting them as • new branch
of inquiry in 1111 advanced stage of their proceeding, the
Counsel for the Bill might to have been isstructed to Niue
them regularly before their Lordship', that they might have
been mat ill due course by the Counsel against the Bill, and
that 11w elehlwectimi of their Lordships on 'loin might have
been tegularty motor. d as it had been with II lard 10 other
p' its of this disagreeable investigation. Would it not be • vio-
lation of every principle of real jorstice, after hewn's/sets the
case nearly dosed out bolo anles, for their lordships to lake
upon ihrmelveir to bring fresh charges by trims-examination
winch had not been adduced in ever so slight • dr pee by
the Counsel for the Bill—which, coneertitenily, could hare
In en mt. oiled with no elesuee or opportunity of refutation by
the Counsel against the Bill, however well they might, under
other eircumatauces, lw prepared for that refutation! He
did out question the tight of their Lordships to institute
such sn inquiry at any period of the proceeding, bet it
would follow also that the inquiry should be as formally
and gravely brought before their Lordships as the mat-
ter of iiiguity which had already occupied their at-
tention fur so long a period and it would suquestiomi
ably follow, that the Counsel tor her Majesty world have
the same tight to eross-exaruine the testimony, with
regarl to those new pJJ JJ hi of inquiry, and meet them,
if they could, with other evidence, for which, as their
Lordships were bound to act impartial, they must al-
low the Counsel against the 11.11 a further time to prepare.
He would make oio, or two observations on a term which
had roller' from the Learned COUllioll at the bar, anal which
bad guru sonic offence to thin. Lordships. He alluded to
the term " public prusecuior." He could not but say,
that it was very diaagieeable to him to be called a public
prosecutor, or to ioe cousidt red as au agent or au a/tosurey
Il fur • public prosecution. This was entomb to make mayor
their Lordships feel sure; but lie could out deny, that this
was the real situation in which the House was placed. He
must say, that lie knew of no prosecutor in ibis measure
hot their Lordships. It was to his mind one of the hi-
deous and most revolting attributes of the case before tiro,
that they were sitting upon it as Prosecutor*, Judges,
Jurors, 01141 Legislators.
_ _

The' Earl riflauderdale defended his conduct, and said
that he was not much affected by any thing which could be
raid of him either alibis or without the House. He offered
to iufurm the Noble Lard why it was that he was not affect-
ed. lii the course of his life he had nevi" done any one
thing which he did not conceive ist his mind to be perfectly
right, mid necessary to be dour. After some further re-
marks respecting the purity of his motives, and the in-
tegrity of his public conduct, the Noble Earl sat Juno
without pistil/4g the tomat' which be had proposed.
The Lail of Darnley ruse ansidst cries of " Go ots--go
on," and said that be was sot in Ow habit of fletaiunig their
Lordships loam together. He wished to explain that it was
'Kt his intestiou to charge the Noble Earl ear any odor Peer
with partiality. All he meant to say was, that a nutria de.
gree of zeal bad bees manifested fur one side of the exausi-
llailoll which bad as unseently and indecorous effect us the
character of their Lordships* tribunal. His Lordship con.
eluded by a strung reetionmendati tttt that the seal of which
lie hid been speakiug might, fur the sake of that impar-
tiality and justice, which nu doubt reigned in the breasts of
every use of their Lordships, be more discreetly evinced, if
possible, fur the future.
The Comm! wire then asked if they wished to put any
qweetioau to the witness
Mr. Williams said, that he wished sue or two questions
to be put
The witness Oaroltui was then recalled and examined.

._

'.%

Were the pillars of ob;eh the witness spoke on that eole..f
the room where Ike wenkniria were emplo)ed, or on the Li..
posit. able ? On the opposite wile.
Ask the wittiess whether, when he spoke of the persons
employed by him, be int.roded to speak of those workmen
who were employed by lons at 111.1 an only, or of all the
wolkmen employed I.y Into Some s.f them are at home,
some go oft, WPM' here, some there s•.me most work, and

How many were employed Ity. him at the Villa d'E.O
Before the long journey there were• from 3 to 45 Mid(
byres, beside* helper,. After the hose voyagy, there unt
en agreement made for new work, and then I had un.ler me
Iwo ur three hundred men.
Mr. Brimglmot wished to know if :hey could have acerts
in the witness Rundle. If thi y could, ht wished to hart
him recalled.

The Lord neeueeilor was absent fns a few raineeles.
hi+ regorge—.
Mr. Itroughaes sigui• repseserd his wiae to call the wit.
new Hasten' ersie.
The Attorney-Groton!, wins ...OW hesitatioe, raid. thst
if his Learned friend wanted n.stelle for a wife.... he
might of enure( have him produced. He mo. , hoarser.
lake the iscrtaleary measures !oneself for that porpssee.
Mr. Broughams wisbcd to know if Hastelli was sew in
this frootelry.
The Attortery-Orneral made some remark Ise to ilk tin-
mioat ion having finally rio.ed.
NO direct an.wer twenz, civet' to Mr. Itronethses.—.
The Lewd Clianeelkrr :..ked the Al t,:issey-Grneral if Ras.
Seth wee still is this country!

The Attorney.Geserol said, that Each.tli was pee as a
courier to Nihon.

A considerable degrre .f murmuring arose at this answ. r.
31r. Ruinghens obscrve.l, that hi that ease they multi not
hare hint as a witaesa. He was Rune out to resume his
functions IS 11)w agent to the *llan trolounst.

The Allorney-Geueral said, that he had understood his
Learned-Friends on ibe other side to have given up all
of fits tlo-r eross-exmatimatima. Upon the faith of ll'at under-
standing, Raskin was seat off as a conrier to Milan, being
11w niost proper person that (saki be booed for that purpose.
lie had received souse intimatiou of the design of his Learn.
ell Friends to call hum (Raskin) again, and he had, as coon
as he knew of that, and of Raskin.% departure, mot off an-
other courier to order his tainsetliate return. If Risklli
was am° much isuprwtaiire to the other side, it was their
duty to have given sons, notice or hil:NOSllavil of that pry.
pose in proper time, to have secured hal irOaliattalla is Ih:s
Country._

Mr. Brotegham said, that it was inspewailde for him ri
have known any thing of the ars nucement which had taken
place with respect to Rastelli, much kes of the crying in:.
cesaity which there e. es then for his re appearance. He had
no idea of canoe( am ass witness add the evidence of the
last witness was almost gone themigh, consalocully it
nod old have been impossible foe him (Mr. Brougham) to have
culled upon the other side to retain Rastelli in Skis samatry
for that parpoae. Out thing was eltar, his Learned Frieurt,
or his anent', toad hove known that the fnunelatketa was
Mid un Raetvllfa own examination to call evidence to con-
tradiet him, end from thence followed the priArshility that
Rattail honself might Inv recalled. He held it therefore tu
be the duty of has LearniA Friend to have kept Rost .•Ili here,
instead of sending loin to resew his employment of proton-
int! evidence at ',Liao. And if there was nay thing which
his Learned I's Irak or their agents fined not to have done,
any thing whirls was peculiarly objectionable, and which
ought with most care tobacco teen avoided, it was that one
act of sending Rastelli sway out of this country as au an
of that—(a mesa—Milos Coninsiesioo.—(A lersiffh
The Attorney.( , • I amid, that elms bad arrival in Italy
that the witnesses whip had come over had esienunteral muds
diner. It was jndped expedient to stud over Rastelli at a
courier, because lee was the courier wino had conducted the
greater part of them to this country, and was consequently
the best qualified to satisfy the minds of the friends of those
witnesses as to their health and safety. Indeed he had
understood that word bad been rent from Milan, that
nothing lent the presence of Rastelli could appease the
apprehensions eutert•ined by the Mends of the witnesses
for their health and safety. He could assure tan. Lord-
ships there was no disposition to keep Rattail out of din
country; so far f.um it, it was his desire to rival Itastetit
to repel the evidence of severe: of the witnesses who had
been called by Isis Lemma! Friends. There was ms Immo-
patty intended by those who hail sent !iim to Mdse. Rea-
tali would certainly return. He esprei.se.l his astaiioneog
at heroism, his Learned Friend cat Rastelli his oltness
when it w is well known that he hid hero called by the
Conosel for the Crown, and was one of the main witne..-ses
fur the Hill.

Mr. Brimrham wicked not to reply, but only to put One
questin, iu tine sinek seilleuee, to link turdshlps.—Now
Mat there was clearly an riot of that security which ha,:
bran prumised,offacility for prosecuting any witnesses r:10
might perjure themselves, was he to be squired to go ou
wiih the ease!

Lord Holland rose amidst some disorder, and moved,
that the Counsel should he directed to withdraw. His
Lordship said, that the Or et which hail just bee, an-
nounced was monstrous and unlwarable.—'Lord acres
Their Lordships would recollect, at the commencement or
the business, that the Noble Lord opposite had, in his place,
with the utmost appearance of eanitour and impartiality,
stated, that as ham the very nature of the ease it must rest
on the testimony of persons brought from distant cosistries,
concerning whose persons, relations in life, circumstances,
■nd character, the advocates for the illustrious acerred must
be entirely uniuformi el, it was nut impossible, it was very
probable, 'hit peijurs might be committed at their Lord-
ships liar. It had been before asked what security could
be given that such witnesses should be made to au-
swer fur the perjuries which they might commit, as
the witnesses°, this country were. The Noble Ea. l, with
great appearance of canduur, then said, that there might be
some difficulty about animating the right, in a legal sense,
of detaining the witnesses after their szeminatiou in this
country. But the Noble Earl bad assured the House, that
the C ent would do nothing to prevent the free coarse
of justice from being pursued with respect to any witue•s
who might perjure himself; nail that they would leave no-
thing undone to p t the departure of the witnesses, until
the ends of justice were entirely secured. The Noble Earl
hail in his (Lord Holland's) hearing aerpoired much com-
mendation fur that candid and seemingly earnest deela-
rati .. . What then appeared? Why that • man, having
been brough► to their Lordships' bar, having there de-
posed by far the most disgusting part of the testimony—
having even to his (Lord H.'s+ understanding ,a plain and
✓uleartied man in the law.' laid the foundation nu his profli-
gate evidence fur coutrail,ciion, if nut for conviction of per-
jury—when this man was required again to stand forward,
it appeared, not that he had withdrawn himself, but that
be had been tent away.—(Lord elteers.)—He asked the
Noble Earl—be pat it to tin• judgment of their Lordships—
be appealed to the tease of the country—(hear, hear,
kiw)—if this were any thing like a representation of
that strict and impartial justice which had been so
repeatedly and confidently promised'—(Load eheering
Great as was this proceeding in pc-recut importance vul .n
future consequences, did their Lordships think—cm6l
persuade themselves—that they being men, and known ii. L.•
by nu means free from the ordinary eufirmities of human e,..
tore, could have that degree of character, that independence
of moral justice, to enable them without bouncy to bear the
odium which must attach to such an administration of jus-
tice? What! to hire Hearth, who had come over from that

cuuutry whence the evidence was elm fly drawn, there to n.
tuts to be employed as an agent for the proseeutom,
after lee had given his most disgusting testimony at
That bar! It constituted one of the worst circurastiinre.

of their Lordships' condition to be sittiog as prosecutors awl
kJ/dilators; but the least they could die would be not 111
toiler a witness to be withdrawn from justice whose lefts.
twouy was the most anspicitura. But here was a person wilo
had conveyed an intimation to his (Lord Holland's)
that if false evidence had been given that witness' would hr
found *moue the culprits who bad not withdrawn himself,
but had actually been sent away.—(flear.)—lf their LOW -
ships would still consent to be dragged through the Mira
further tbs■ they bad been already, be (Lord Holland) multi
sot prevent it; but let any of their Lordships sry, if ill')'
continued in this inquiry, what would be the character , t
their legislation with the country in future, not only tit,
Ibis but on all other occasions to tibich they were Vied ti.