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MONDAY, APRIL it.
The house meet at duce tictuck, and the rum below the
bar was soon cio.ely occiyied by strangers, anxious to kcal the
ratement of the Earl ut Livutputil on the subject uf the French
evasion of Spain.
The Lords mule a numerous attendance.
The Earl of Sit A ESOI.I lt Y eresaued a petition from
D.alley, in Worceaershire, against the insolvent Debtors' Act;
also a 'menu.° horn the %iayor and Burgesses of Reverley,
against die human Catholic Claims.
The Grant in Aide Bill and the Innkeepers Rill were read the
second tune.
Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from the Rev. Dr.
lli'hmuse, calling the attention of me liOttle to tie intaipacity
of reciesiasticel I.ersons w hold lay udices.— The petition was
seed, net laid on the titbit.
FRENCH INVASION OF SPAIN.
The Fail of LIVERPOOL entered the home! about &en
o'clock, beating a red box containing the negociations oat the
subject of the war between Fuusce and Spain. Toe noble earl,
bOiIIC time after, rose on the order of the day, and commenced
hie speech by styitmg.--•• In obedience , bas Majeety'r coal-
mines, I rise to lay
.tit the mine ui this AMU{ certain lepers
relative to the neguiciamone which proceeded between this coaittry
• and others en the disputes of Pratte and Spain."—it would be
been that Govermaeut did no: stand in the situation of Ministers
after a declaration of war, is which it had been customary to
state not only the outline of toots, but enter into argument on
their policyand concuct. The noble earl then adverted to the
Spanish Constitution in late, winch was recognised in [Bl9.
i ' here was no interferened on the part of the Powers of Europe
on that occasion; on the contrirypall were desirous to promote
eciocikation with Spain. The Comettution, to which Ferdinand
the Seventh gave his solemn sanction. went en -without inter-
lettuce on We part of any Power. and in whatever view the
album of Spain were consanred,tbe conclualon must be, that the
Government* of Europe had colt wacted to the recorattun of that
Government, which tae solemn act of Feedinatiel the Seventh
had sanctioned. There ROC,' had beam my occ.ir:on in which
the country had for an instant admitted the right of foreign
. interference with the internist of Spain. lu subsequent
negociatiens his Majesty's Government required answers to
three qui:sums—Vint. if France made war, would the other high
Powers withdraw their Ministers from Spain? Secondly, if vise
brake out, what form would the high Powers assume with res-
pect to Spain ? • 'fiiinlly, was it the intermun of the High Pow-
ers, in case of war, to give assietance to Prance ?—The *hove
ques,i ens wire pfl;poaCti without reference to die invasion of
Spatm by France. The Allied. l'utrets gave the answer. that if
liaises was obliged to break up her tei34;4)114 of amity with
Spain, they should break up theirs. (he noble duke who repre-
sented the King of Englan.l at Verona tamed that the
Government reoeniniended the Allies to abstain frum all inter-
ference in the internal idfuiri of• other counuies. They cond.
dead that ad measures ne eey fee the 'amelioration of • the
contlitMn of things in Spain. aught to originate in Spain rather •
than alaved. If the Allies consented to assist theen'
the throne of Spam to overturn that Constitution, ho4d=lhaelme
matted. they would only place him in a false posidella tai
tiptoe him to danger. 'I he Allies would also expose seamifte
to great iisks and roomette ceps:cites. Such were the sentionnen.
expressed by•the noble duke, in discussion upon the Inflitele
named questions. At last the noble: duke entered a solemn
retest against interference in the 'Shire of Spain, and the nip-
Caen of the Allied Powers. After breaking up the Congress it
was desirable, the object of this country being the prenivation
4 f peace, to otter our mediation. whirl was refused by FraIICIA
The initial Government could, however. bay, that Spain was
mahout of its medietion. It was the duty of Government to
adopt all the means they could to avoid hostilities. The noble
earl had no did/malty in Keying. that making could have
him to recommend the Standards to give up one atom, one
of their their Cuostitution. 'which they considered beneficial ; but no
man could deny that die Cons Outwit required modification.
quip, as a divided countly.• was open to successful invasion.
'I hough she might be ultimately succe stud, she could not avoid
her best pruviucts being pillaged, tOr such must be the raid&
Such being the case, it was the duty of his Majesty's Govern-
ment to rectAuutund'imite change. if any could be made, to
. avoid calamities! but this change warm be made in the spirit r
amity and Conciliation. not by threats and commands. Ida M-
ajesty's Getallol4l2t felt that they could not do better than avail
themselves at the instrumentality of his noble friend. to whew
Spain war so mach 'indebted. .1 he noble duke gained a know-
ledge of the Constitution shad he canied on the conflict in that
country. It was, therefore, natural that he should consult the
people of Spaio on the atillieet. • They, were not recommended
to yield tti menaces. or even invasion—indeed the Spaniards did
Lent kidney asty invasion would take place—not unul a few days
/Per Kin of France's speech were they lad to believe that
would take place; When that ;yeah was delivered,
truelmltiof his Majesty's Government tae, that all hopes of
don were at an end ; but it would appear on the
Lepers, .that at the delivery of that speech. Fiance declared her
desire was as ardent as ewe for peace. Even with respect to
that oireasive paragraph, that all anthority must emanate from
the Ciovin, there wane desire expressed so qualify it. The noble
earl then adverted to the most material part of the question.
namely, what had been the policy, and *bat PROM to be the
piny, of the deitiah Gove mite'''. Their policy lied been
neisteality.—tbey butt always avowed it towards Spain.—lle
should conclude by moving that the title of tLe papers be reed. •
ney would be in the possessien of all the Lords, who would
we, upon inspection; that his Majesty's Government had done its
City to England, France. Spain, And the King of dmis.country.
Kul GREY opposed the measures adapted by his Majesty's
Goveraim tin He was not meowed to argue upon all the facts,
littetog hail no opportunity to see the papers ; but upon the no-
ble earl's btatetnclit he was ptupared to contend, that if a mote
determined tune had been used ley the British Government, their
effats would not have had an utitiortunate termination. neither
Would Spun. nave been made time theette of iniquitous aggro.
doe.
After a few observations from Lord Kota, the title of die
papers was read,—.Ujourerl.
itrESDAY. APR:L 15.
Mr. Trandle, from the Office of Chief Secretary for Ireland,
tearented returns made under the insurrection Act.
Mr. Tomlin, from the Treasury, presented an account of
money issued jar the reduction of the public debt; also the
teurth report of the Commissionen for mansging the debt.
The Earl of WESTMORELAND, presented two petition.
from die county of Leicester, -against the Insolvent Debtors'

Act.
The Earl of DERRY presented a petition ?ruin the millers,
me:dwelt. and corn factors of liverpool..complaining of the
monster in smelt returns are obliged to be made under the 53d
of the late King.
• The slattpus of BRIT presented a petition from Glamorgan,
complaining ut agricultural distress.
Tue above were read and laid on the table.
.NE4IOCIATIOIS:—F.srI GU EY (in Cie absence of Ministers):
said, he had bestowed all the time he could command on the
perusal ut the papers laid ou the table • y Its Majesty's command,
and Its Was sorry to say the nading of these papers had. not
remelted the linpressiutt on his mind; on the contrary, his opi—
nion .was, that in the late negotiations, at Verona and Paris, the
honour and intetest of this country had been sacrificed to a de—
ree unprecedented. It was his intention. on Thuror.ay neat, if
lot. iNlaiesty's Minasters were present, to put some gm SUMS to

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thins, sad if it watait Mitvinienee of the 1400., be
should, on Tuesday beet.. bring forward the secedes more at
large.
The Grant in Aids)Bill. ana.the Innkceperi Alliwance Di
pasted through Coinmirtees......A,ujourned.
wkkruzeneir. Aram 16.
• The, house met at tour o'Cluce. when counsel and witnesses
were heard at the bar in sunset of Allerdyee's Divorce Rid.
On the motion of the LOUD CIiANChLLOst. the evidence
was ordered to be printed.
Mr. Bastard and other Members from the Commons brought
up a private 1011.
The Bishop of OXPORD preemie; petitions from the Dean
and Chapter of Windsor, and the illy of Oxford, against the
Boman Cathil'e Claims.
Lord SALTOUN presented a pmitiontrcnn the island of Ne•
via, praying fur equisiissticis of duties to which they are liable.
The ;nuncios were read and laid on the table.
Tue Innkeepers Allowance Bill, and &e Grants in Aids Bill.
were read the third time..—AditourawL
TIIUNaDAY. ORM 17.
ANTI-ROMAN CATHOLIO PRTITIONS.
The Archbishop of York presented peutions against the Roman
Catholic claim, from the West ant; East Riding of York. The
Right Rev. Prelate declared his concurrence in the said petitions.
end his intention to support the prayer of the petitions..—The
Archbishop presented simi'mr pennons from 'other parts of the
county of 'York..
The Bishop of CHESTER presented a petition from Ike
clergy ut' Litchfield and Sarum, praying that no cOneeSsiOnsioay
be wede to the Howes CatholUs. tbe at tne prOtestant
establishment.
Tire Bishop of GLOUCESTER presented a petition from the
clergy of Glinicester, having theism: objtet.
Lord•CLIFDIOI. presented a petition from the Roman Ca-
thona of Kilkenny, praying for Omission to the lights of the
Constitution.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE delivered a petition from
the inhabitants of Arran. minplaidlng of distress, and praying
relieL The petitions were reed, antirlaid on the table.
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Lord LINO sdnw led* the pairre respecting the negotiation.
and observed; that. although they might give sausfection to many.
they d:d not satisfy his mind, aunt in order to know what /All.-
Lamm they would aftbnl the country •generaily, he wished to
obtain some account uf'the expence attending suck
He thought the noble Puke 11141 been duped. The French G0..1
veroment firm duped the ministers respecting the object of the
Cordon Sanitaire.—Seonully, into an attempt to model the
Spanish Constitution—and unnlly, to almost a connivance at the
base invasion of Spain. At aif plomatic dinner, Meatus. Ville...
Montmorency, and Chatesubnand, might each boast how nersgt•
they had duped the British tiovernmem. By .uttieg the added
of Mr. Secretary Canning, they,had ,so flattered that gentlemen.
that he was sausli.:d Portugal would not be subject to the aleisit:
et Fiance. After the well known perfidy of the Bourbons. ii
really wusastonieliing how the wiseacre of EneJand could here
been cajoled. The noble Lord occluded by moving MI an ac-
count of the expence sit the foreign 4134440114 at Paris and Madrid,
between toe Ist of September, and the ilst of Deceniber. HOU
the motion as, agreed to.
Lord HOLLAND then roseto put queetions to the nolthe
Livaryool, on.thesubject of esreign relaa. "First, he'
wished to know whether there was any ireal in
existence between England. Fratidise Spain.. or any other (gun.
tries, by which the Crofts of Spain and France were to be united
on one head ?—Secondly, wheelie: any treaty was signed in Sep.
tembee between Ilussia and France, engaging Russia to/Unsafe
France a; Toulon, with a large Juice, in case of war. with Sp.Jn
—Thirdly,' whether the Duke of Wellington, at Verona,, acted
as the representative of the Government, regularly &promo.' ea
minister of the congress i
The Earl of LIVERPOOL add, with respect to the first'
question, lie was nut able to satisfy the noble lord beyond the'
answer he 111.103 When the subjew was tutroduced on a former
weaeion; he had nu hesitation in saying..that. looking et bit the
proceedings betreeu this country and prance. he bad nu difficulty
in stating that the Cruvins of France and Spain were not to les
united on one head. As to any treaty by 'illicit UMW* engaged'
to send troops tit France, no such thing was in existence. Oo
the third question, whether the noble Duke was sent to Verona
in the character et minister, his noble friend was there as pleni.
perent buy, and it was open to him to take inset Macy poitits of
discussion.
Earl GB EY said. the noble earl (Liverpool>, owe former day.
made his etatement under a misconception, when he said the
invasion of Spain was opposed by the noble duke at Verona.—
The invasion or Spain did not appeal to occupy the noble duke's
attention. It was most extraoluinaiy. that in a cause which in•
valved the happiness and liberty tit Europe. so much indifference
should hove been laicism to tile real objects of France. The
noble Earl sand, lie could not find one word which he considered
a forcible diwlaimer of the principle of interference. it was not
each a repeesentation as he considered consistent witls the honour
and character of this country. lie trusted in God the French
people did not support the obnoxious eats of their Government.
and that just vengeance would ultimately fall on the iniquitous
violators of the independence of a people who had shewn true
courage, and real dignity msupporteng their constitutional rights.
'lnc Earl Of LIVERPOOL rise to complain of the mode
adopted by the noble earl, t. ho might have gives him Re hours
notice on the pcnitts of inhumation, and in that case an answer
would hove been given as to these points ; but the noble lord, on
pretence °failing for informstiony had actually made a speech,
min ...eine tunic ass the topics to be discussed on Tuesday. The
noble earl concluded by saying, it was hard upon him to call for
explanation of the papers before the time fixed for enquiry.
Alter some further cortversation ;he House adjourned.
ralliav, Aram 18.
Lord POWISCOHRT WWI tile tours aud his seat.
The Marquis uItfUNTLEV presentee' two petitions from In-
verness, one complaining at' agienitural dilates*, the other pray-
for reseal of the duties on coals .arrie.l coastwise.
The Earl of ESSEX presented a petition from the county of
Ewe. complaining of agricultural distress.
Doctor Smith, trout the couunierioners of Richmond inidge,
presented accounts.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from the
of Chichester. against eiteitbenan Cathultc claims.
Marquis CAMDEN presented petitions from various hop.
planters in Sussex, and other parts, *pinto the hop duties.
Lord CALTHORPE presented a petition from Suffolk on
agricultural distreis.
The above petitions were read and laid on the table.
THE LATE NEGoCIATIONS.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL adverted to the debate of last
night, and the inquiries made by several noble lords for papers
connected with the late negocurtiooe. In pursuance of his pro•
nose to give inhumation on the subject this day, he rose to ad-
dress the House. The noble earl sicced, that some of the papers
could not be produced. others world be laid on the table on
Monday.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, with respect to the in-
terineuiste conimunication from the Duke of Wellington, be•
tween October and November, on the affieirs of Spain. the noble
earl had said there was DO sueli paper. it was extraordinary that
the noble duke should not hare made atiy such communication.
as it appeared by that admission there was an absence of all
notice from Mr. Secretary Canning during six weeks of that im-
portant communicacon tattle Duke of Wellington, dated Oct. Wis
tie understood there was an intermediate conunuoication, and if
so. the House ought to have it. What. howcvet he wanted most
was a COMUIUDICI46.O conveying the first impresiio. made by the
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measures which were the subject of a._
marqu expressed • hope that that paper -
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produced.
Lord IiLLEI4IOROUGH said he observed a passage in tba.
speech of the King of Spain to. the Cortes in fans which could
bear but one inference. The speech stated that the Soversaine
in Congress. the Akin of Naples gala a solaria make Air
they enteilladued no hostile intuition wite respect tea Spain ;be
theretere wished to know whether any paper was. in reassume
containing such assurance.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL could milt say,.speaking front ge-
neral recollection, that he neser heard ot such a paper.
Lunt ELLENBOROUtH.—Dues the noble lord lam to-
say such a paper is not in existence, or that lie never heard of it 2
The Earl ot LIVSAIPOOL.-1. never heard of such a .
Lord DARNLEY could Mit discover ih the
ground to justify his Majtoty's nunisters in the stomp thee
war might be avoided, because in that most detestable plidt edits
Wrench King's speech which said no reform was to cam heft
any but the King, there was an end to. all hope of peace He
wished to.know whether, in die view hichtajesty's ministers molt
of the intentions pf France. they instructed Sir Charles Stewart
to make a protest to the French Government. If any such do-
cument was in existence, be expieseed mhope that it might be
produced.
Lord HOLLAND wished to know whether any damsons
could be prouuced on the subject of a complaint that Frame had
sent money to Slain to excite insurrection l•
The Earl of LIVERPOOL did nut know any document of
that description.
Lord k:LLENKOROUGH.—As it appears the Sovereign of
France disavowed all aggrandisement in the attack on ,Spatu, it.
was but lair the House should be put in possession of any do-
cument on that subject.
The Earl of LI V leR POOL.—That most material document
is before the public. The subject was then dropped.
Earl LA ENLEY gave mains of a motion. on Monde,
respecting the state of the navy at different ports.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL adverted too notice which 'legate.
before &islet of lips intention to make a motion on the subject a
optics's before that House, and accordingly gave notice, that on
this day se'nnight lie shuuld move for tire appointment of a.
committee w enquire into the state of appeals.—Adjourned to.
dionsitay.

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
NorrhaY, Allah 14..
Mr. J. Rains and two. oilier member& took the oath. and-
their seats.
The Swearing Act Amendment Bill went through • comp
utilise.
The Forgery Bill was ordered to be read a second time this.
day ail month*.
The Apprentices' Bill was read a second lime.—Oral red te•
be committed to.souriew.
The Baum, went into a committee on the Union Duties
for the impose of tilling op blank*. The preamble was post-
ponedreteport presented.
F/lANCE AND.SPAIN.
Kr. CANNING presented papers at the bar of the Illouse.—a
the) were laid on lite table.
Mr. CANNiN G rose to move that the title of the bill ben. •.,
In doing so, be should redeem the pledge given some weeks.
ago 14 enter into details of the course pursued by ministers ;
and in the affairs of the world, 'Mora of usexampled magni-
tude, he felt th; importance the duty be had to perform.—
Ministers had pursued one plain definitive course, that of en-
deavouring to preserve the peace of Europe, and of this
country, in particular. He would advert to the state of tempo
in September, when these transactions coinu.ebeed, arid about
which lime he took the seals of (Alice. He found in his ales •
record which was now amongst the I searde of this country ;
and that record laid down the principle of non-interfercuer elite
the iodependence•of Europe. lint when tire rccoid wee drawn
up, the. mese was not cuntemplsted ; however, when
the Duke of Welhogloti went le Paris,. on his way to Verona,
as he found the case of Spain likely to occupy the diectiss.i.u.
the Duke vvroto home fur instructions. Us wrote for answer,
that to any 'itemise or force against Spain,. come Irons what
quarter it might, the minister! of England would not be party
to any such proceedings ; and the Duke was instructed to state
as much whenever the proper time arrived.,-(Hear, bear.)—
It was not expected that the case of Spain would be discussed,
least of all that it would be agitated by Fiance. The 'petole
of the Kingof Fiance, on closing the session of 18 .', particu-
larly led to that opinion. Therefore it would he seen that the
instructions originally. did not contemplate such question,
certainly nut that half Europe would be required by France to
joie her against Spain. The British minister was asked whe-
ther, in particular eases, this country would cunulettancie certain
support; and be declined to give any hypothetic answer to airy
hypothetic case. The B I. plenipotentiary, on the contrary,
demanded to know the cause of offence. The question was dis-
cussed at Verona for weeks, and .our minister maintained the
mate position to the last hour of his °widowing st Verona. Oa
the Duke's return to Paris, there appeared to be a disposition
to preserve peace, if possible ; -hut down to such moment
there had been no commuoication by this country with Spain on.
this point. The reason he would explain. There was a.greas
outcry, it would be remembered; about the attacks our our met•
chant vessels by the kg of the nnacknowledgedly indcpcodent
colonies of South America. Decided steps were adopted by.
the Britialt Government, and then • communication was mad*
to Spain, but then the Spanish Court set up eltselete rights.
about constructive blockades.—Eventually, however, Sir W.
A'Court succeeded, and half a million was set a-part by Spain
to provide redress. Every intention was evinced to afford re-
dress, and our Government was thus simultaneously pursuing
two objects—the redress to our trade io the colonies, and the
defence of the European Spanish dominions against French
threats. Afterwards, at Verona, Spain coiled on the Duke to
interfere in its protection; but that was declined at such crisis.
However, the two, France and Spain, were in a painful situation;
France seemed to act as if war could not be averted. English
interference in negociation proceeded, for then the dangers of
war were seen ; to Spain. then to France, and eventually to
Euraye. (Hear.) The vacation had reduced User to one of
peace or war between France and Spain ; aad when that was
the unqualified question which was thenat issue, it was attended
to with all anxiety by the Euglisli ministers. And, at last; the.
Duke of Wellington did, as he was entitled to do—he ad-
dressed the Court of !didn't, frankly, on the present state of
affairs. That letter would be found amongst the papers; it
was the language of friendship addressed to the Spaniards ;
Lord F. Somerset bore that letter. He still thought t.e Go-
vernment had done right in acoepting such mediation. The do-
cument had not all the finesa. of diplomacy--but it broke the
honest feelings of a friend. In January Lord F. Somerset left
mitlictiht no improvements
trhoevdemomenritsnecoorutldhe
for :11.drid. Matters so stood till the extraordinary speech of
that if
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die French minister justifying the attack of Spain.—)ifesr.)—
It said '
not emanate from the Throne. It was answered by Ea land
he countenanced
of all negociations • , alit was • doctrine that could not lm moue
teranced by any British minister—(Heer, bear,
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was added, that it struck at the British conatitutieo itaelf.-
(Load solmers.)-Ezplanation however, was called for, hut the
assemed-meaning was not deuied ; nay, such was the delusion,
that it was thought that each a speech was the specific for
Spanish accommodation at Madrid.-(Hear and laughter.) -
Other communications took place throsigh Lorill•F. Somerset,
lint it at last appeared that there was Ile other comae thee se
state oe the part of Buglan.l explicitly to both pa•ties the
coarsethat would be pursued. During all the proseeslio•Ni it
it was stated to Spina that the course of England would he
neutral. (Hear.) It was not left to Spain to draw inferences,
the fact was stated explicitly. To France each declaratfon was
unnecessary. The concluding dispatch was feel himself (Mr.,
C.) to our minister at Pais, being a recapitelatien of the sego-
Ariatiorls, See. declaring that this country could Not force his
Catholic Majesty to do that which was derogatory to his Crowe
end dignity.-(Hear, hear.) -It was added, that though the re-
cognition of the independent lags might be deferred, there was
no intention to take possession of any of the disputed colonise.
So that mere wan no chance at coliseum between France sod
Engler'd on this polio. lie added that any unprovoked attack
would call for resistance from Great Britain; but there was
much misconception on this point. It was a defensive 'ilium.
-only-the question of peace or war -Mr England was not pull
into the keeping of Portugal.-(Hear.)-Tuere was nothing
. to involve Eugleod, if Portugal voluntarily courted atiack.-•
lie did not say what it woull become England to do ; but ea.
Sept there was aaprovoked attack, Elegised by treaty could- not
be called on. As to the Spanish possession*, so.liseg es Spain
had no enemy in Europe, the question was left, hot-not without
rvpresentiug that the colonies were gone, that adjustment was
adviseable, and that England desired no commercial advantages.
-But Englaad had protested against Spanish concessions of
those colonies being required, seeing that she line them not de
foite.-(Hsar, hear.)-With respect to the great question be
was prepared to maintain that it was not right for this country
to involve itself io the war.-(Hear, hear, hear.)-There alight
be cause for th • war, but was the came urgent? If urgent,
was it consisteut with oar views and interests to embark in it
(Hear, hear.) Ile admitted, that the reasons for justifying
the invasion were more extraordinary than the invasion itself.
(Hear.) Ile bad bees. surprised at them beyond all measure,
knowieg xis he'did many of the eminent individuals who had
• uttered them. There was nothing analogous to the attack of
1193.-(Hear.) 'What had Spain done like France in 1193?
-(Hear, hear.) The conduct of France in turning round
tipon Spain, as it now did, was ap. ion of reason that he
weld not comprehend.-(Hear.) No war that this country
world wage mild be waged without embarking in It all our
resouroes, Mean*, and strength ; and that impression thron'
oat bad dwelt upon -tic minds of milliliters. He believed that
the country would approve the course of the ministers. Floe
ministers were reserved on neutrality.-(Hear.) If they de-
sired war, let it be pronounced ; bat the neutrality be meant
was an hottest neutrality-not oily to do onto others as we
would that they should do unto us, bet to do as we had com-
pelled others to do nato as. Tbis was the neutrality...--
Although be anticipated some dlfetence If ispieiee epos. the
mibjeet before the Howie, be had so real* to regret the part
government bad taken with respect to the two tuitions, In-
difference they did not feel in the Epeeis' cause-on the con•
teary, they most earnestly wished that 3paio might get tri-
nusplisoily out of the struggle--bht it Was 14.60 their hope that
if the cause of Spain triumphed, she would hdopt the ream-
emeaded meals of preventing a repetition of calamities.. The
eight toe. gent. combatted, declaring, that if there bad been a
slight giving way, a slight concession of the point of honour
, upon the part of Spain, be would at this moment lave to con-
jratulate the House upon the establishment of peace, instead
of regretting the announcement of hostilities.
Mr. BROUGHAM after all, he must say that he was left
quite in the derk as to the penis' lint of conduct which minis-
tors meant to parscie.-1-(Hear. bear !)-He saw that neutrality
wee the groused on which they intended to stand, sad that they
bad declared never to assist Francs against Spain, It had
Osseo said that the Duke of Wellington went is Paris to repeat
what he bad done at. V • bet net one word had been said
-about the Duke's aegociation at Yoram. Verona was the
principal eharsoter-the Hamlet of the piece, and yet that
-character was wholly omitted. felled bees declared that the
-noble duke bad, with hie milker? arm, defended Spain en
former occasions, and that with his deplomatie arm be bad
vow defended merest Verona. It was then to be supposed Jhat
the papers on the table contaiped the km lanosge of reason-
' atreace. It was to be hoped that the documents were sot
Emitted to that degree of remonstrance. Mr. Brougham then
said with respect to the negociations, he should of coarse ab-
stain from delivering any amino opon them ostil the docu-
ments were printed. He called upon goal:aliment, if they
were determined to stick to neutrality, to let that neutrality
be real, ind not a mockery-a neutrality to be directed by the
course whiob other satioas might parsue, implying of course
that the war might be snob as *maid dreg others into it, and
that they were nut to wait foe the best preparations of the
the enemy. •• We all." said Mr. Brougham, •• most heartily,
and from the bottom of oar hearts, pray for success to the
Spaniards. This is the feeling of the English people-of the
French people.-aye, of the French army too, who detest the
• errand of cant, hypocrisy, and cruets}, upon which they are
rent against a free people.“-(Clieers.) But that army was
unfortunately under the controul of a few despots, who were
now attempting a coveter-revolution, to get beak their estates,
and a few priests, whit were sinuous to get back their well.
lost tithes.-(Cheery.) Let the conduct of -England animate
the oppressed. Having offered one vow for the success of the
Speniari'•, let another be put up for condign punishment to the
Aloorimer, who, if they were to perish, would perish amidst
the delight of every liberal man in Europe-regretted by no
busses being, except a handful like themselees, who sever
felt for liberty, and never ought to have a single band raised
t• restore them'.-;-(Loud cheers.)
Mr. CANNING observed, that he had not made any one re-
mark which could he fairly construed into en assertion that the
war was desperate on one side or the other. If the honorable
end learned gentleman had understood him to say that the war
was full of danger to Europe, and particularly to France, he
had understood him correctly but beyond that his remarks did
not apply ; be bad given no opinion as to the result of what
wee now going on in the Peninsula..
Mr. BROLGIIA3I said, be had asderstoed from the right
hon. gentleman's speech, that the Doke of Wellington was M-
altreated to deprecate the interference by arms as pregnant with
danger to Europe, :ad particularly to France.
hl r. CAN SING l across the table Certainly, certainly."
The papers were now ordered to be laid on the table.
The Naval snit Military Pensions' Bill was debated at some
length, and the House divided on the question that it be com-
mitted-Ayes 133-Noes $ll.
Some Irish miscellaneous estimate having been moved, and
the remaining orders disposed of,
Ilse lions. then adjourned at 12 o'clock.

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ISRV TU•RA ABBIL IS.
Sir C. BOMVILLII and Mr. BOYD took the oaths mid
their seats. •
At'Pia,. EUSINFRa.—air. PEEL, in answer to a question,
elated. that is the course of • few days he 'spatted to have
to submit • proposition to the HOll.O respecting tbssfacilitatitri
of Appeals in the House of .Lurds.
basil 'fatai.s.—Mr. BROWNLOW brought forward his
motion respecting the recent trials in Ireland, arising oil of
the proceedings 10 the Dublin Theatre on the 14th December.
The King's subjects bad been persecuted and haramed by the
Law °Doer, and that in despite of the Boding of a Grand
Jury. If individuals wore to be p.. on their trial without the
previous finding of • greed Pug, the acquittal of a petit jury
would have bees of little consequence. The outrage at the
theatre excited the indigestion of al. [reload ; but when it came
to be made the matter of Jack charges, of assassination, of
poditical import, thee it aroused the.contrary feeling. The
readmit of the Irish ahem, Mineral, toward the rioters of
Dee. 14, particaluly in beiagiag them to trial on his
informatioai, was contrary' to the principles of the Consututiuu,
lee. and ought sot to be draws into a precedent.
Mr. PLUNKETT, in risigg Dimply, said he was warranted
is pursuing the course be bad persited, after the conduct of the
Grand Jary, which had surprised every body ; that the legality
of the course was unquestioned ; mid that as to the CIO, of
Sir G. Jeiterys, and the Billingsgate language' uttered by ,
hire, it was not all parallel to the present case.—He repeerted
that •aw, alter haviechad line to regret on all the strewn
stances of the ease.,lo llidtaot regret the course.be hid pur-
sued, aid which was the subject of ioaspirint with the hon.
member. Haring concladed his statement, the right boo. gee-
Homan said he igiould retire, leaViug his cease With cuefideoce
in the hands of the Hooss He then hawed and retired.
Mr. W. COURTNEY strongly condemned the sootiest, VI
calculated to cominoe, and even to augment, ttiat unfortunate
spirit of party which at protect existed in that country. He
would move, as an amendment that the House should proceed
ta the other Orders of Malley.
Mr. D. BROWN *appealed the amendment.
Colonel BARRY supported the original motion.
Mr. GOULBURN defended ihe coadoct of the Irish govern-
ment, of which he formed a part, and of the acts dune by
which be was prepared to take his fall share of responsibility.
Mr. BROUGHAM felt mach pain iu bring obliged to sey.
that however conchentionsly his right bon. and learned friend
might have acted, still he had acted miconstitutionally.
The amendment was ultimately agreed to witnuel • divisios
Adjourned atone o'clock. •
WEDRUIDAY, •PBIL
Petitions were presented bee Memaglian and Antrim (the
latter signed by 18.759 permitted, ageism army further 11000eM140*
to the Retina Catholics
Mr. B. COOPER proscenia a petition from tba Dowry and
Clergy orGlocester, with a Amidst prayer—a petitipe in the'
prayer of which he crisourred., He thought farther ormeossion
to the Catholics would endanger the Protestant Establishment.
Mr. P. GRENFLL said, the best security to the Esta-
blishment would be to ocimulde the oldies. and that he Tessler-
prised at the quarter from which it came.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE hail, that he shush! as'atelettly least
these claims ; and that as to the gustier Whence this petition
came, be should indeed 'be serprised if the clergy to a man
were alt to come forward in resistacee of those claims.
Mr. B. COOPER said lie should not by reply lead to a pie-
mature discussion. Ordered to be printed.
EDINBURGH FREETIIINKIRS.-11.r. HUME presented a pe-
tition from isdividuels Oseetitpting the Zetetic, or Freethinkers'
society, ionoplairiog of the Bdiedmirgli peke. having mitered
their private room and carriedamay Caste books, fire. and had
mid, the individuals primulas., • Such thisgo meld noahe done
it England, hut in Scotland it use law ; indeed, had the per-
sons been guilty of blasphemy." they were liable by the
Scotch law all of them to be hanged." The Freethinkers said,
that no two of them agreed is opinitles--that th!hr objects were
to promote morals and virus ;-uad that, if they did nut so as-
oembl.•, they shook( sot go to'plasee of worship. They prayed
the' such laws be repealed, and free, toleration legalised—a
• prayer in which be concurred.
The LORD ADVOCATE said, as these nutters had excited
some interest is Scotland, he week] make seine obeerrations.—
As to the law of the quashes, he ',said not enter on it ; was
not disputed—what had been done was supported by the law,
sad hr ahruak aot from stating, that it was under his advice.—
He heard of the weekly meetings, of the denial of Christ, of the
propriety of public worship, sod ores of God himself ; but lie
could not give credence to what he heard. The /Merit( kith
tom! enquiry, and all that he beard was fully confirmed. As
persons to the amount of 200 assembled—amongst them very
young persons, lie :bought be should here abandoned his duty
bad he not interfered. He had held the persons to bail, and
did not intend to wormed (either,. except the Hoes. or the in-
dividuals should require it; but that society bad not endea-
voured to continue their discuseioaa ; and a similar one at Glatt-
gow bad discontinued.
Mr. MONCK said, if there were any Jews ha Scotland, they
were greater blasphemers this these philosophers, In Scotland
it appeared there was a severer inquisition than thud masted
even in Spain or Portugal.
Mr. HUME was of opinion—against the learned lord—Drat
Christianity would bear discussion, mid that it bad risen by it.
—The law was detestable—yet the learned lord said it was •
right law. He hoped when the petition was printed that it
would be read by every member. The books bad beets kept,
books that were allowed to be soli; is every bookseller's shop;

why was that ?
Petition ordered to be prided.
Petitions from Beverly, Fermanagh, &o. were presented
ageism the Catholic claims.
Mr. PEEL preseete.d the 14111111 of the state of the Penile"-
giary at Milltvank.—Ordered t be printed.
Petitions wore presented against further coneessioss to the
Roman Catholics from Ely, Eaniscortby„ and several other
parishes.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. ELLIS presented a polities from Dublin spinal Ike
Dublin Gm Light Bill.

SCOTCH DIiTILLERIES.—Mr. CAMPBELL r• id that much
anxiety existed on this schicet. and wished to know when the
diminished duty on Sooteb spirits was to continence. •
The CHANCELLOR of tko lIMCHEQUEW replied, cer-
tairdy not before October 10. bet the plans were not yet
arranged.
SumERSETSHIUL PILTITIOTI.—Sir T. LETHBRIDGE pre-
',riled a petition from flomegsetseire, signed by about 3.000
persons, complaising of egricalteral distress, as an individual
named Heat, who had gives it to bill bad informed him. He
a milted that there was agricalteral distre • —bet be did not•
agree with the petition. He had expected to stand in a very
different situation with a different petition ; but the person
already mimed; postaaaing feint/ ruing powers had led the meet-
ing sway from the petition which be (Sir T. L.) had advocated.
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hardly be mentioned there, had tmw Sado greet way there, as • ' •
indeed this petition showed ;—bet the Sherfthed most inapre-
pert, infused to sign it.
Mr. Ot WYNNE and Mr. BANES justified the High
Sherit's conduct. •
Lord J. RUSSELL said a few woeds,after which the petition
was ordered to be printed.
Sir T. LFTH BRIDGE mid that this petition undoubtedly
was the petition agreed to at the county meeting at Wells.
Lord MILTON reactant *eyeful petitions from Doncaster.
Ste. against that act which was so grievous to the farmers, the
General Turnpike Act, praying for its repeal.
Foßttcn Audits.—Col. DAVIES said the Foreign Secre-
tary bad omitted to state what coarse this emietry intended to
perm. in the event of a Spawieh colony being attacked by
nwhoi which bad slit reseuniestrtie Spanish coattail!; as Vales
fie hiatus'. •
Mr. CANNING replied, that he had required France to
slower— .or could he answer fur every future, possible, Oka
onvertainconfingemey. He bad spokes generally respecting
• the Spanish colonies ; and he repeated that strict neutrality ivit
the olojt•ct of this geveranie.tt, as severe fell as what this
country lied ever enforced.
Lord ALTHORP rose to mete for the repeal of Ilse Foreign
Enlistment Bill. lie should centime himself as strictly as pos-
sible to the question; he was, however, he moat state,. the
friend of peace—nut that lie did not feel strongly the violent
Sad oatrageous character of the preheat attack oe Spell by
Femme ; an attack that threattmed the liberties of all satisnie.
The course which this country kited ((eternalised to perste was
kaown, and be therefore admitted, that if redid ecit sheer *het
the repeal was not inconsistent with the nentratilly, he siesed
met fully support kis motes. As to tbespestiod if pone* or
war, be must contend, that according to the pipers, eer
eiders hail compromised the interests of thig country at Ve-
rona. (Hear.) Perhaps a declaration of wet would hate
averted the atrocious attack op Spain; bat, he this as knighl.
he thought the Moat/ohs could net have been io unmindful of
their honour and good names, as tot to have listened to the
firm support of inter-aatioaal law. War be did tot call fan, is
the present dist of our finances and agrieeltere ; • at bb
trusted that we were not so degraded as not to bet able -to resist
aggression on our strict neutrality, eleouldjt be made.—(Heer.
Isser,• heart) With respect to his motets, be liiiiitaised that
the neutrality could be supported, eveu agar the reptel of the
Foreign Enlistment Act, reviving former acts oti the mibjeet.
Lord FOLILSTON.E !weeded the motion. Ile had read
the papers, and he wetted huguage le express the ahem ind
indipation with which the perseat had filled bit.—(Hear.)
The truth was, that there was here. as there bad hese lbroup-
out lhaperatiatious a feeling fee Emmet. mid a feeling alminst
B,ssiorwtHear, ) .The right "hoe. gmulelee bad been
Madeldr be was aot .sincere ; bat tbeengboet that 'lllhaster
aoldied and crouched before the Hamm of Illiserben: 9t
Mat 16041(114.that lead brought_ as dews, mid diet kept is
dowojilledieptisier atinieteri hob aid I:resell helot* Brume
sod thatereillid destroy err domestic 'freedom. if its Wryest
WON oat liettemod se. The coolest of our ministers was west
estraordieary-but it was still More extritordinary that the
• !Meister was still kept to guide oar councils. (Hem, beer: )
He lamented that lee had mot We pewee to Wens the
Psrlta-
mest to withdiaes mialideinve froon..any mesh initialer. The
4ebt, the cursed debt bore as dews ; and till W. get rotor
that interest enemy, there was not any hush which this mien.
try mast nut submit to, mad which would not be joatified 'as
other proceedings had been done by one minister.
Mr. W. LAMB was spinal tie motion, and be wa aer-
pries4 that the sold, lord bed brought his naiad to melte it.
AS hi Oil noble lord (Folkstowe) who bad mewled the modem,
Its Whore the Ant among the foremost fir war for the Boer-
boat; bite ad eves eutstrippr the men wise were new. minis-
ters. (Cheers.) By supporting that war, La-became a party
to all the coesetmemes; and if there were eeir perms mete
then soother boned to see that debt paid whittle was now to he
so violsstly polled down, it was the noble lord who lied just
spoken. (Cheers.) As to the preseet motes, be was ageism
it 'in principle and policy. If the bill were to be repealed.
what less would it be than an act of hostility t (dear, hate
Dr. LUSIIINGTON supported the modes.
Dr. PHILLIMORE opposed it. •
Lord .1. RUSSELL strongly urge' the repel of the bill.
Mr. T. COURIZNAV objected to the repeal. To repeal
this hill at the preset moment, would p• to declare ear assist(
.
Mr C. WYNNE *preyed the motion. He amid rot agie•
to any measure which was calculated to plume the weepos of
Engtislonao against Englishman. Such a mimetic* was eaten-
hied to destroy all English reedits& and he should dread the
return of sorb individuals-to their own country ;he should
consider then' us forming a body most alasgeruue to the tran-
quillity of their countiy, and ready to aid any party who might
design the overthrow of the °meditation.
Sir F. BLAKE thought if this country had taken a more de-
cided pal f, there would have been se war with Spats.
Mr. CANNING complimented the noble lord for the Mode-
ration with which be bad brought this motio.i forward. Of the
amble seconder, be would only say his coridect was the direct
reverse of the noble envier. The lepers's. were in the habit
of exposing a 'lase to their children is • state of intezimision,
to guard them against tellies into that digesting vise. These
was a moral as well as bodiky intoxication—the noble lord had
to-night given the House a %metes') of the former. Thq bolds
lord's speech reminded him et the oracles of the Sybil. ' • only
the noble lord displayed all their; ravings, without their inept.
ration. (Hear, hear.) lie might. le accused of wieldier; t.
France, but he certainly lever would truckle le the asble lord.
(Loud cheering.) Tue right ben. gent. then preeseded I.
. argue strongly against the raped of the bill, sad. ottoeluded
by opposing the
After some farther observations, the motion was 'negatived -
without a division, and the House atljnernede
THURSDAY. APRIL 10.
As the gallery could set be opened till eller the ardor 6f dee
day for the •• Cali of the House" was disposed 'of, the rush,
when the gallery was opened, after fuer e'eteek, was treoem-
does. On micadmis.ion tete the ry, we understand tile
order of eke day, had been discharged without being eefereed.
the object of it, a full attendance of weathers, having been
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secured.
Cstnorte "FelTßOtal.—A vast number of pelitiettietpdast
the Catholic, claims were presented.
• Gee. GASCOYNE gate notice, that on the 24th instant he
should submit a motions we tioc subject of the allowances of half-
pay (dicers and widows of iftfic•ra resident ie Ireland, bvag
paid in Irish currency.
Sir T. LEIHRRIDGE presented a petitinu from Sir Har-'
court Lees api..st the claims of the Catholics.
The petition, which was iesinst all further coasikalkialiii to the.
esthetics, was ordered to be primed.
NORWICH CATHOLIC PLTITiot4.—Mr. COKE presewleh
petition fame 25 clergymen of the diocede of Nerwio"-, W fawn;
(TO( C01i0111111441 see pole 116.)

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