The National Register.
London, England, 1819-02-28 00:00:00

TIM NATIONAL REGISTER.

intrpins of the revenue of the Duchy of Lancaster, and of
the Privy pane, to gam the expeace of the care of the
Royal Person.
Mr. PEIGL tkonght the proposition of the Right Hon. Gent.
most nawarrantable, the indelicacy of which WAN reileenieilt
by no adequate advantage. By the Acts of the 39th and
30th of the King, a privy purse hail been recognized, and
inure fully by the Act of the ril‘t ; but an allowance of
60,0001. a-year had been recognised by Parliament, even
before the 39th and 40th of the King. By Mr. Iliirke'a Bill
the privy purse had been recognised, and estimates of expen-
d knee directed to be made by the Treasnry, by the Act of
1782. In 1789 a Bill hod passed that House, by which the
power of the Regent, with respect to the private property of
the King, was limited to the renewal of leases. The Right
Honourable tientlemao had said, why Amide' not the resume-
ration of the Custos be taken out of the privy purse as well as
the payment of the medical men. But that charge was nude
payable out of the privy purse, because it had been an paid
by the King. When Mr. Percival had moved the appoint-
ment of a Secret Committee, the late Mr. Sheridan and Mr.
Adam declined to attend. on account of the indelicacy of
enquiring into the private property of the King—Hear ! hear !
—and their conduct bad not been disapproved of by any of
their party.

Mr.. BA AK Es replied to the last Speaker, and differed from
the view taken by the Noble Lord. The right of property
would not he at all affected by the proposed amendment ;
nor was there any reason to apprehend the epoiletion Ott
private property. The suns in ipiesiitin was taiseh more than
the Additional expense that would be incored by the Mkt of
York.

Mr. Wilmot and Mr. Martin of Galway; said, they should
vete fur the grant.

Mr. PROTHEIME gave bib cordial assert to die amend-
ment.

Mr. Husatsson observed. that at the beginning of the
King's reign, the whole of the Civil List had been at the dig
pawl of the Crown; hot afterwards a distinction haul been
made between the pa t a mlicalile to the public service and
o the espeuditure ot the King. The office of the ,Royal
Hake was one second to none. hot that which had also grown
out ot the calawily which had induced Parliament to invest
another of Ms family with the dignity of Regent ; and there-
retell ought not le he cons'dered as a private office. He
was astonished that tientkrien (mold consider the office of
Custos as unconnected with the Windsor Establishment, when,
in tact, the Doke of Yid k was to have the whole contront of
the Windsor Establishment. If it was the pleasure of the
house to confer an arduous ditty, they ought not to withhold
trout him a fair remuneration, lint not out of property placed
as lunch out of their power as that of any private individual
whatever. If not, let the Duke of York have nothing; but
let him preserve his honour, and let Poi liament preserve its
honour ...Lon,' cheering—by nut interfering with that which
did not belong to them.
Mr.fltisag said, the Right Hon. Gentleman had appealed to
the. Howse to protect the honour oldie Duke of York, and he
Loped they would, for it was only his Majesty's Ministers
who haul called his Royal Higliiiess's honour in question. Hy
offering his Royal Highness a renomeration, they were putting
him in the aitnation of any common keeper.—Question !
question!—He was quite satisfied the Doke of Yoik would
anxiously discharge his duty without fee or reward. He was
willing to go any length isi reinuserating the Duke; but lie
could not agree to wising from the hard earnings of an already
over.bardened People 10,0001. a year.
Lord Como-run agreed in the absolute necessity of economy
in the present state of the country ; hat this was one of the
Cases in which be could not agree. He Outright they had now,
in the unfortunate state of his Majesty au opportuiiity of
marking their toy-ally.
Mr. MansezEtts said, lie could not agree with this vote.
which was against the principle of economy imposed upon
him by the distresses of the country. It was more necessary
to mark their desire of eeononiy, than their loyalty, which
he believed had never yet been doubted-
Mr. Wtsson was not ashamed to vote against popular opi-
nion, it it did not agree with his conscience ; but in this in.
stance he must give his vote for the amendment.
Alderman W AITHMAN would not be afraid to deliver his
opinion on this subject, it it should be afterwards necessary;
but he hoped it would be unnecessary, and that the question
would be decided that sight. But it moved his indignation
to bear, that the Duke of York was willing to take the money
out of the pockets of OA impoverished people, but not out of
the Privy Parse.
Mr. H. DAV ts spoke for the original motion.

The SOLICITOR.GEMERAL thought that, if the Honse
adopted the amendment of the Right Huvottrable Gentle-
man, they would repeal all the Acts of Parliament, regu-
lating and tiling the Privy Parse to be the private property
of the King, and at his disposal entirely. He knew of
nothing which had altered the finality of the privy purse,
or which could justify the House in applying that to public
uses %%hick was private property.
Mr. Scaiti.Err contended, that from Mr. Burke's Act and
the others regulating the ansonut, &c. of the privy purse,
it was evident that Parliament had power over that allow-
ance. Besides savings had been talked oft now he would
say that it could not have been in the contemplation of
Parliament, when Mr. But ke's Bill was passed, that tiny
sat phis or savings of the Privy Parse would take place ; if
it had been contemplated, no man who their voted ter it
would have ileac his duty to the House and tke country.—
Tae object of his Right Hon. Fiiend's sietenihnent was, not
to diminish the amount of the Privy Purse, tint to apply Ike
•urpltss of it. nlo luau could have a higher sense of the
victors and calamities of the Royal Sufferer than he had ; and
if he could think that this was pi ivate property. he would
be the bit man to advise its being touched by Parliament.
Tl.r Sot.tcrrog GENERAL explained, and denied that Ile
had ever asserted Parliament had nut the power to alter the
provisions of any Act of Parriament.
The Attorney General and Mr. S. Wortley said a few
words.
The Gallery was then cleared, ■midst a loud cry of Qies-
tion, and the Conainittee divided—For the original Motion,
Dil—Forthe Amenilaient, 18(4—Majority for Ministers, 93.
The Resolution was then agreed to ; the Chairman reported
progress, and obtained leave to ail again next day.
Adjourned at balf-past One.
TUESDAY.

The names of the defaulters at the ballot for last Friday
were called over, when Lord Palmerston was ordered into
the custody of the Seriennt at Arins. Soot. after the Serjeattt
reported, that the Noble Lord was In Custody ; when, tivon
the motion of Mr. V NSITTAR7, alter a free word& trout Mr.
FL SUMNER, the Noble Lord was ordered to be discharged
upon paying his fees. • •

Mr. V,..N.ITTAfCT then moved the venal order respectiac
defaulteur at eleetion ballot*.

Mr. Su .ASV presented a Petition from the Corporation of
agaiti‘t tile Catholic Claims.

POOR T.l \ S.

Mr. 5. BOURNE stated, that a Rill he had ildrodueed last
Session, on the Subject of the Poor Lrws, had ultimately
taile•l. That Bill lie wished again to tiring iu ; but should
not :lien Ko into any details. The Bill bad tailed in cense.
(pence of some alteration made in it by the oilier House of
Parliament. The Clause that had been left taut by the other
House he should, for the present, postpone; thotigh he con-
ceived it to be of essential Unpin lance. He hotialtl content
himself at present with moving, that leave be given to bring
in a Bill for the Amendment of the Poor Laws.—Le eve was
accordingly given.
SIR S. WILSON asked, if the Hon. Gentleman eotsldl state
whether any increase or diminution of the poor tates had
taken place since last session.
Mr. •S. BOVRNE, said that he could not make any answer
from actual knowledge; but, jittleing from conjecture, lie was
afraid that in the agricultural districts, at least, there had
been no diminution.

Mr. BENNLT preAenteil a petition front W. Rrownjohii, as
initabitaut of contplaihing of the arbitrary conduct
of one of Ike Alderman of drat city, by which be had lost
10001.
WINDSOR ESTARLISHMEMT.

Upon the motion of Lind CASTLEREAGH, the House went
into a Committee upon the Royal WllOl3Ol lE.,l4lM,liiiiient
Bill. The second Resolution wa. then agreed to, that the
tote& stint of 1t4,2 rd. should he appropriated, in 'utterly
petineais, for the salaries of the female attend nu. on her
late Nlojety. The Noble. Loll sail, :hit in inoviitg fist
riot of 10,0001. annually to the Cnstos of his Majesty's per-
son, he wished to call Ike attention of the C.onstiettae to the
ofillow, and eat to the tedivirlital be whom the office might be
held. It would be inipo”iilde to enter minutely into the scale
of expense that such a situation would require; though it
was evident that %itch an office would be liable to malty calls.
He thought himself entitled to the support of the Knot Hon.
Gentleman opposite, who had made uo objection to the suns,
Isti‘ only the kind lima whence it was 10 ue taken. A pre-
cedent had been established fur the grant, in tin case 01 her
Lite Majeaty, fiom which he s4W 110 104,011 to depart. He
slinsild therefore move, that the stun of 10,0001. be arante4
to the Custos of the King's person, to meet the expenses of
the.gituation. _

hic.'flettagy could not see upon what grounds the Noble
Lord could expect his support. It had been Isis eau nest* wish
that the dis7asaion had been spared altogether. But for his
his own part, he had opposed the grant when proposed fee
the late Queen; and what had taken place on the present
occasion should teach the House the danger of estahlishiug a
precedent. He should not then take the sense of !Ire House.,
AK many Geottensen opposite accrued, unaccountably, not to
have been aware that the subject would come on to night.—
(The Minigterinl Benches were then fkin) —but he would cer.
tabily take the sense of the Hon.& oil Thursday.
Lord R ssct.ure signified his hostility to the proposed grant.
Mr. W MTH M A :flit ill the p:esont state of the coal-
try, when the table of the House was leaded with Petitions.
praying for relief, he had hoped that an example of economy
would have commenced train the highest authority. Aiiuis-
ters should have advised the Hoke to take no allowance.

Mr. Cuitswitu felt it his duty to give his decided opposition
to the Grant.
Lord CASTLEREAGH then moved that tke Duke of York
shonld have the payment of the pensions grauted to the ser•
rants of the kine, to the amount up to which 'key were sane•
boned by law. The Noble L, td, in answer to a qtre,tion front
Mr. Rasmus, stated that the Doke of Yolk nas to lase a
discretistiary power as to the superannsiatiou at the servants
of his Majesty, and the salaries to winch they would in conse-
quence be entitled, to the extent fixed by iaw for the payment
of such salaries, It was then ordered, that the stuns of
11,5001. and of 12,5001. being the Inn tit parts of 56.0b01. and
el 60,0001. should he made part of the consolidated fond.
The Report was tuen ordered to be received ou Thursday.
—adjourned.