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our assistance through this house. That is a measure of
reform, because without it yon con! I never have had
complete public account, without which all administrative
reform must be illusory. Therefore I have shown that this
phrase is ono which, so liar as I and those with whom I act
are concerned, isassociated with practical rneasuresof great
advantage to the public, which ought, in my opinion, to
receive a much larger development than has hitherto been
promised. In the course of this debate wo have heard a
great deal about changes which ought to be introduced into
the civil service of this country. I should be very sorry if
for a moment I could be induced to defer to a public cry
which I did not believe to be justified, or if I could under
such circumstances be induced to express any opinion on
this subject which I was not prepared to express, nearly
three years ago in a much more responsible position. I
scrupulously refrain from expressing on this subject other
Opinions, if I entertain them, than those which I was then
prepared to produce for the adoption of the house. I was
then of opinion, and have since had the opinion confirmed,
that great changes are necessary in the civil administration
of this country. In the first place, I sun of opinion that the
entrance into that service should not be by mere favouri-
tism. I think it should be the subject of a substantial and
real test of fitness ; and I think the idea of a substantial
and real test of fitness is not illusory, but essentially prac-
tical. I think, in the second place, that the rewards of out
public civil servants should be on a higher scale. (Home)
I think that the result of the change will be public eco-
nomy, and not increased expenditure. I think that the
rewards of the public set vanta should not be merely of a
fixed nature, but teat they should bo trained to look upon .
other and more spirituel rewards which animate and en-
noble the conduct of men. lam also of opinion that the
civil service of the country ought to bo made, and must
be made, strictly and completely professional, and the
great offices of the State should be reserved for public ser-
vants who have been trained and educated in the perma-
nent civil service. (Hear, hear.) These are what I think
sound and judicious changes. They are changes of admi-
nistrative reform. They are changes which I think every
Government ought to adopt and carry out, and nothing
short of this ought to satisfy the house. They are changes
which I advocate, not in deference to any popular clamour,
but which I was prepared to advocate when it was difficult
even to get tho house to adopt such a recommendation.
The result of these changes, in my opinion, would have
been au improvement of the public service, a greet advan-
tage to the country, and a prevention of much of those
evils of maladministration which we have had recently to
lament. (Hear, hoar.) Sir, I am still of opinion that,
although you may by these changes elevate the tone of the
public eercice, although you may obtain a high degree of
talent, although you may reward in a becoming manner
that high degree of talent, although the general results of
that change will bo satisfactory, salutary, and successful
- still the first step which you ought to take is to obtain
from high authority a clear and distinct idea of the most
efficient manner in which the public sin viee can, in all its
departments, be conducted, and when you have obtained
,that, you ought to devise the means by which that idea
can be carried into effect. Sir, I know no mode by which
this information can be obtained but by issuing aroyal com-
mission of practical men—of men who have arrived at high
posts in the civil service—who have shown great administra-
tive talent, mixed and blended, as all such commissions
should be, with a certain po'rtion of the political experience ,
and statesmanlike ability which can be found in the house of
Commons. See lain persuaded, if the commission which
we had meditated—if the commission had been formed of
such individuals as we should have recommended her Ma •
josty, much of the evils which we have had to deplore
would not have occurred. With these views, which those
with whom I act were prepared to carry into effect a long
time ago, I am called on to-night to consider the motion of
the hon. member for Aylesbury. That motion, as I read
it, is one which, far from embodying the policy which I
would recommend the house to adopt, is one which very
indifferently meets the wants which I have indicated to
the house this evening. It calls on me also to assent to en
assertion which I most sincerely cannot give my assent to.
I em called upon by the resolution to agree that the ineffi-
ciency which we all deplore is attributable to the manner
iu which merit and efficiency is sacrificed in public ap-
pointments, to party and family interest, and blind ad-
herence to routine. I think I have shown to-night, and
on other occasions, that I am no blind adherent to routine
in the public offices. lam conscious I think of deficiencies
and failures, and I am prepared to remedy them if oppor-
tunity offers by any measure equal to the occasion; but I
cannot agree that the disasters of the country have been
occasioned by a blind adherence to routine in the public
service, or by any want of administrative talent or defi-
ciencies in the public offices. It is more than possible, I
think it is quite possible, that the public service may be
improv. d, and much of its routine modified and altered,
bat I should be expressing what I do not believe if I at-
tributed to the public service disasters which I can only
attribute to a culpable Ministry—(cheers)—to a Ministry
which the House of Commons, by an overwhelming ma-
jority, only a few months ago declared incapable, and which
a report this evening such as never before was read in the
House of Commons, states, as the result of the mature in-
vestigation of men selected with no reference to party opi-
nion—of some of the most eminent men of this house—
that they sanction the former verdict of the house. (Hear.)
It would be a miserable subterfuge in the last degree to say
that the misgovernment of the country is the consequence,
of a few inadequate c erks—(hear, hear)—and that unless
the routine of the public offices be altered—although
no one is more conscious than I am of the iinprevemeuts of
which the public service is sueceptible —I say it woul I be
base hypocrisy to attribute to it the causes of those disas-
ters, when an overwhelming majority of the House of Com-
mons, when a committee of the house, after is period of
almost unprecedented investigation, has declared that they
are the co sequences of the incapacity of the Government.
(Cheers.) 1 setribute these disasters, as the house and as
great portion of the nation does, to the existence of a
Cabinet which, although formed of men of great ability
and political experience, was not bound together by.public
sympathy, and reciprocal and private regard, which are
essential to render any Cabinet a euccessf al administration.
Irrespective of all other considerations I think it most
unwise, by supporting such a motion as this, to use it as a
means of conducting from a Government which ought to
be responsible, and of which every member will sooner or
later be made responsible - I say it is most unwise to use
such a motion as a means of conducting public indignation
from a Government wince has yet to answer for deeds of
failure and disasters which it has consummated and
secured to itself. (Hear, hoar.) This being the case, the
boa. baronet the member for Harts (Sir L. .13 Lytton) has
proposed a resolution which in soy opinion accurately eta-
bodies what this house ought to feel on this subject. It
does not come forward and in exaggerated language tell
you that all the misgovernment and misconduct which has
so filtddened the spirit of the country for so long a period,
is to be attributed to a system of administration which
has prevailed for so long a time, and which, with all its
shorteornings, has accomplished so many successes, and
achieved so many glories. (Cueers ) It does not come
forward with assertions which cannot be pi oved in any way,
and ask us, in deference to popular clamour, to sanction
such a declaration with our vote ; but it expresses, in lan-
guage which I think is definite and precise, in language
which I think will be justified by proof, and will be sanc-
tioned by the bouso, and meet with the mature approbation
of public opiuien— which states the real state of affairs,
and what the real wants of the country do indeed require.
It calls for a careful revision of the various establishments
of th 3 country, and it tolls us the views with which that
careful revision ought to be conducted ; it tells us the ob-
jects which that careful revision ought to attain—namely,
to simplify and facilitate the transaction of public businea.
That is precise, and that is administrative reform. Let me
remind the hou. member for Surrey (Ur. H. Drummond)
that it tells us to institute as judicious test of merit—that
we ought to remove obstructions to fair promotion and
legitimate rewards. Is tells us that we ought to secure to
the State a large available proportion of the energy and
talent of the country. These are recommendations to
which I give my entire adherence, and which precisely ex-
press the course which the Government of Lord Derby was
prepared to recommend. If you pass this amendment—
and I am told it is to be passed with the assent of Govern-
ment—let the house be careful that this amendment, if
taken by Government, is not used its a mere machine to
avert from them the consequences which would resultfrom
eerrying the motion of the hon. member for Aylesbury,
but that the Government take it in the spirit of sincerity
and truth so imperatively recommended by the House of
Commons. (Hear, hear.) Let the Government be pre-
wed, if they adopt it, to act on it in the spit it of truth
I say, if Government act in that way, they ought to take
the same efficient steps that we were prepared to take, iu
order to ascertain how the public business and all the pub-
lic offices can be carried on in tbo most efficient manner.
They ought to issue a commission, and from its report
draw up ,egulations for the conduct of the publ'a t•ffices,
and to call upon the House of Commons to sanction those
regulations by an act of Parliament, and, above all, to
preserve every public °flies from the caprice and wilful-
ness of any political chief who may be placed at its head.
I am not prepared to recommend any measures but in the
spirit in which I have spoken ; and if we obtain that
which I have ventured to sketch to-eight, you may
rely upon it that great advantages will accrue to the
country; but let those advantages be obtained with
the utmost respect to the existing institutions of the
country, and in a manner which need not alarm the most
timid. Ido not pretend by any fanciful machinery you
can entirely destroy the evils consequent upon what is
called favouritism or the exercise of patronage. Sir, I think
when you have to consider this subject you must place any
evils which may result from the exercise of patronage as
the countervailing evils of having power exorcised by those
who aro responsible to responsible representatioes of a free
people. The countervailing advantages aro in my mind so
preponderating that I would not risk them for what may
he only a fanciful, and, perhaps, Utopian result. Sir, if
you secure, as I believe you may secure, that the entrance
into the public service of this country should be sought,
not by the least competent of a family, but by the most
competent in it—(hear, hear)—if you snake the qualifice •
tion for that entrance the fitness which is the result of in-
telligence and the moral qualities which are requisite—if
you do this, anti in addition to this secure to the success-
ful aspirant an honourable and sufficiently remunerative
professional career, you may rely upon it that the men
who enter into the civil a ‘rvice will he equal to the occa-
sion and to the opportunity. Entering by merit, they
must use by merit ; but thejudges of merit in the higher
walks of the service must be the Ministers of the Crown,
and it must not be loft to any fanciful system of compeli•
tion—(Hear, hear)—which Ithink is utterly foreign to the
manners, customs, and genius of a country like our own.
(Hear, he:x.) Why, sir, when I hear of public appoint-
ments being made independently of the Ministers of the
Crown, I run bound to ask myself what is the meaning of
a Minister bf the Crown if he is not to appoint the most
fitting mon to public employments. We are not told that
Mr. Pitt said to somebody whose name is never mentioned
that he had never in tbo course of his long political career
put the right man in the right place. We heard the
tote other day that a deceased Prime Minister, whom
we all recollect, was afraid to open a letter lest he
should hear of the death of a bishop. That I believe
has been mentioned as the feeling of a pure and patriotic
spirit, but I look upon it as the trait of an indolent and
epicurean mind. (Cheers.) Why, sir, what is the first
qualification of a Prime. Minister ? It is not Ministerial
talent, for he has to look out for Ministerial talent in all
his colleagues. It is rather the perception of character and
the knowledge of mankind. It is the duty, and one of the
highest duties, of a Prime Mini ter, to take care that the
country has pious bishops and wise judges, and in the
highest offices of the State the most able and qualified men
to discharge the functions of these offices. I say that is the
most important office which the Prime Minister can exer-
cise, an t that is one of the chief reasons why he exists. I
say that you may senior, as you ought to render, the en-
trance into the civil service of the country a step only
practicable to those who are really competent to eater it,
and that you may have, as you ought to have, in my opi-
.aion, a complete and efficient test of fitness from a properly
planned and independent board of examiners; that you
,right to render the civil service a complete profession,
and to offer to it not only those rewards which are offered
In all other professions, but those rewards, of another and
a higher character, which induce men to exert themselves,
and reward them for such exertions; that you ought,
above all, to take care that the great places in the civil eer-

vice aro secured to those who have been trained in it. With
these conditions, I say you must leave the exercise of the
patronage, as it is called—thet is, the choice of the fitting
instruments cr the choiceeof the right man—you must leave
it, I say, to the men in eminent positions, who only occupy
those positions for the purpose of -selecting. the most lite
ting persons, and of taking care thlit the best qualified
should b 3 secured to the service of the State. I have yen-
! tured to-night, in ne spirit of boastfulness, but with seine
desire to do justice to those who acted with me in 1852, to
vindicate the course we would have taken in that matter.
I think I have a right to exact from the. Government-some
assurance and some security that we should at least obtain
las much, and that if they do shield theniselves from the
injurious and inconvenient consequences of motions from
administrative reformers, by adopting the wise and judi-
i cious amendment of my honourable friend, they will act
on that recommendation, that they will net treat it as the
' convenient motion of thu hour, but that they will take it as
, a recommendation of the House of Commons, definite and
precise, on a subject of the highest importance, and that,
we shall feel that that recommendation will bear speedy
fruits for the acceptance of the country. I inn bound to
• express my opinion, that so far as I can form ono from the
conduct of the Government upon this matter, my expec-
I tations until this debate took place were not of a very sans
guine character. I do not'see in the Government, from the
manner with which they have conducted themselves with
regard to this matter, ritly evidence that they are prepared
to act in• the spirit of- the Policy which this, 'amendmentthat they are about to'adopt would recornmend them im-
mediately and amply to follow, We have had one motion
hurriedly and hastily brOught forward with regard to the.
consolidation of the military offices. I think my honour-
able friend the member for Hertfordshire acted with great
discretion in not mixing up that vast subject with that' of
the civil service of the country ; but this is the only mea-
sure of administratiVe alteration which the Government
have thought tit recoMmenil to us; and, so far as I can
I forts an opinion upon the subject of this plan, it appears
to me to be crudely and hastily.' adopted.' (Hear.) They
are the recornmendatione"of bygone days with little refer-
ence to the dearly-bought experience of the present ; and
I have yet to learn that the -Clover-intent will be able to
prove to the country thit the alterations which they re-
commend are such as will meet the public exigencies, or
such as will recommend themselves to the approbation of
those who have carefully thought upon this matter. But
if I look to the civil service of the country, I see less to
approve of in the conduct of the Government. A few days
back there were three places in the civil service of the
usuntry disposed of, of the highest class; and I find
that the three gentleman appointed to those places, who
may he men most competent for the discharge of the
duties of their respective offices, were none of them
trained in the civil service of the country—(hear, hear)—
and I venture to say that I should have no difficulty in
writing down on a piece of paper a dozen gentlemen fully
competent to fill those or any other offices in the civil
s is vice, some of thosegentlemen have been 25 and 3j years,
and some even more, toiling in the public offices of this
country, the mainstay of Ministers, the columns upon
whom we lean in our distress, whose devotion, whose as-
siduity, whose intelligence, whose ecqu'rementa, and whose
unsvearied industry no language of mine can attempt to
paint or describe. (Hoer.) Why, what must be the feel-
ings of those coon when they find that when an opportu-
nity:occurs to place them in an orninentposition in the pro-
fession which they have embraced, and so sedulously and
so zealously pursued, and to wing them into the light of
day, her Majesty's Government passed them over in silence,
and that three individuals, whose fitness I will not con-
test, for that has nothing to do with the question, but
whose fitness di,/ not exceed their own, are preferred to
them, adopted by the Government, and that their names
are circulated throughout the country, not only depriving
the faithful servants of the civil adutiuistratiou from their
duo reward, but intimating that that service cannot sup-
ply the public with men to.npetent to fill places in it which
become vacant. (Hear) I have no doubt Mr. Howell is
quite competent to discharge the functions of his office ;
but what is support to Ministers is death to the civil ser-
vice of the country, and I say that is an appointment of
which this house ought to express its disapprobation. I
shall not speak of the middle chases as the hon. member
fur Surrey has dons. I shall leave him a monopoly of the
caustic vagaries iu which ho deals—(e laugh)'—but if he
had taken this case of Mr. Howell, and if he had come for-
ward and vindicated a use:ul class iu the country he would
have done more service than by indulging in the airy com-
ments with which he has favoured us. I see a gentleman
wes appointed the other day, as accountant-general to the
Secretary of State for War, who has been 4t) years in the
public service, and who is admirably qualified for his of-
fice. Well, a gentleman, after forty years of service, and
who posse tees qualities which cannot probably be rivalled
in this country; is appointed accountant-general to the
Minister of War, at a less salary thau one of those
strangers to whom I have referred, who have been
recently introduced to the public service. A stranger
receives 1,5001. a-year, an Smile receives 1,2001 I say
if the Government were sincere in the opinion they were
about to take shelter under, that the civil service of this
country ought to be recognised as a great profession, these
appointments, which have been made within the last few
days or weeks, could not have taken place. (Cheers.) 'What
are the intentions of the Government ? The Chancellor of
the Exchequer has spoken in this debate ; and I was
unable precisely to ascertain what he intends to announce
as the policy of the Government. Ho treated this as a
motion of want of confidence. New, I say this ins friendly
spirit--(a la ugh) —he is a gentleman highly respected in this
house; he is a scholar and a man of amiable character; but
he is not experienced in Parliament*, and iu the present
state of the Government I think it unwise to snake those
declarations. If the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) had
known the excit nnent which prevailed on those beaches
after that declaration he would have beenalarmed.'( Laugh-
ter.) I must confess that her Majesty's Government are in
a very peculiar position. The other day:l brought for-
ward a motion of vary mill censure, preliminary to the
holidays. (Laughter.) They immediately declared it was
a vote of want t,f confidence, and a great Humber of gentle-
men who agreed with the motion voted against it. (A.
laugh.) And now we are authoritatively informed that
this is o a wait of confidence ; but even if this be de-
feated by our aid, still you are iu this unworthy posit.on,
that if you put the tao minorities together, there is a
great uerjority of want of coufidencs iu the Government.
(Laughter and Opposition cheers.) I think the Govern-
ment ought to corr,ider the remarkable position in which
they are placed. They are a Government condemned by
the largest majority that ever was hoard in the House of
Commons, and by the longest report that was ever pio-
duced in the same assembly. I mu bound to acknowledge
the favourable position in which the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer and the President of the Board of Control hold' in
this respect. They are ti.e only two of the Ministers in
whom the country has not exprersed a want of confidence
(A laugh.) I think it is a groat thing fur the noble lord at
the heal of the Government to come forward and Key,
‘• Teem are two members of the Cabinet whom the House
of Commons has not condemned." (Laughter.) What did
the Chancellor of the Exchequer say with regard to the
amendment of my hog. friend the member for Hertford-
shire ? I understood him to say there was no harm in the
motion, but it depended upon its interpretation and that
if the interpretation of the notion was one unfavourable
to the Government thou the Government would not take
it. Now, any Government that renders it necessary for
the House of Commons to 'tell them what to do, or what
course they ought to pursue, can scarcely consider such a
part in the Opposition as a compliment. (A laugh.) On
the contrary, if it be the sincere opinion of the Government
that the policy recommended by the hon. tentleman ought
to be pursued, they ought long ago to have taken a course
which would have shown that, they had discounted, as it
were, the demands of the people —(Hear)—and they ought
to have been able to rise in their places, and to have said,
" We have had a great deal to do; we have conducted la-
borious negotiations, which have not succeeded ; we have
not hal time to master the largo and comprehensive mea-
sures fcr the remedial administration of the great offices,
which are necessary; but we haVe given evidence to the. ,
House of Commons of our disposition in this respect.
Look at the last appointments we made a few weeks ago
(a laugh)—see how we selected from the permanent civil
service of the country, that we are always paying with
very fulsome praise; three men who in the lung course
of our adininistrative life we have found the most ca-
pable and ill rewarded persons in the public service."
But the Chancellor of the Exchequer said more than
that. He referred to the Orders in Council, and said—
" All that has been recommended of a practical nature
has been anticipated by the Orders in Council." Now,
I do not quarrel with the Orders in Council. They are not
equal to what I could wish them to be, but I take them
for what they are worth, though they are only a small part
of that which the must moderate of those who feel the great
interests of our civil service would require. The orders in
council give no security for the purely professional charac-
ter of the civil service, nor do they secure to the permanent
civil servants of her Majesty the enjoyment of the great
prizes of the profession in which they toil ; and, therefore,
when the right hon. gentleman wants to ride off on the
orders in council, and consider them as a practical solution
of the difficulty, then I say that I sin not satisfied myself,
and, more then that, that the right hon. gentleman }vas
not distinguished any excepting the amendment of, the
hon. member for Hertfordshire. Sir, there is one topic
that I cannot help touching on upon this occasion before I
sit down. I have referred to what were the intentions,
and not only the intentions but the measures which would
have been immediately brought forward by the Govern-
ment of Lord Derby iu 1852. I remember, sir, on that oc-
casion, after wo had felt it our duty to resign, that a dis-
tinguished person, who was a political opponent, regretted
our resignation of office at the time. He said he was very
sorry ; it was not necessary for us to go out at that time.
I believe we wore to have been turned out at Easter, and
we anticipated that move by going out at Christmas. Bat
this eminent person said why he deplored our fall, which
he wished to retard. Ho said, what could be done for a
sot of men who based the policy of their Government on
such an incomprehensible crotchet as adniinistrative re-
form ? I have often remembered that incident since. I
believe our sympathising friend is now in a responsible
position, and I have no doubt has become a very worthy
administrative reformer. I cannot help remembering
the circumstances under which ho retired from office.
It was impossible at that time that 'we could have
remained with honour in office, because, from the moment
we accepted that trust, the noble lord the member for the
city of Londou pursued us with such unceasing combine-
dons to eject us from office that it was a hopeless task from
the first to attempt to remain in it. Considering, sir, that
the noble lord had retired from office in 1851, that he had
resigned office in 1552, and that iu no case had his retire
mint or his resignation boon occasioned by the conduct of
the Opposition, but by the distrust of his own friends and
by quarrels and misunderstandings with his owe colleagues ;
considering that Lord Derby in 1851 had refused to accept
the responsibility of office, because that office without a
thater
majority in the House of Commons was a position which
he ought not to fill; considering that the noble lord him-
self Majestyfa constitutional politician
to send for Lord Derby,
I
like the noble lord it was the most extraordinary thing,
that before wo could accept the trust which we took, abso-
lutely because his own Government twice crambled away,
have had
a recommendedhvay s thoughth
before I could stand an election in my county and take my
place in.this house tuattempt toeconduct its business, the
noble lord had absolutely called his friends together, and
was then making biddings for support to eject us from the
position to which we load been called. (Hear, hear.)
Now I essure the noble lord that I do not make that ob-
servation with the slightest regret for what is past, but
rather because, as time goes on and as events develope, it
is possible in politico to point a moral. What were the
offers made by the noble lord at the Chesham-place meet-
ing, by which the Liberal party was tobe reconstructed, and
we, who had taken the reins of power because the noble lord
was on two occasions incompetent to hold them, to be ejected
as soon as possible from the office which we certainly had
not coveted with any eagerneSs ? Why, the noble lord
I called every section of the Liberal party to his house in
Chesham-place. There was the-school of Manchester, with
a vigilant and justifiable ambition ; there were all the Ad-
ministrative Reformers in the shell (laughter) there
were the unanswerable ae.serters of pure Radical principles
—all the men of Spartan virtue, who only, entered public
.ifs to assert a principle, and never Weald. take office but
to carry it into successful oxecution.Thero they all wore,

an immense crowd ; and if they had only supported the
noble lord since with the same unanimity as They shelved
at that meeting he might still have b3en Slinis:er. It was
a meeting of men repentant fora deed which, when it was.
executed, filled them with some alarm. Nov, what was the
address of the noble lord, when the new. Government was
hardly sworn in—a Goverarnent, remember, that only
threw ,themsOves into office from the failure of the noblo
lord to retain it?. The noble lord said he sincerely deplored
all that had occurred ; he regretted the want of good i►i
telligonce there had been in the Liberal party.; ho said be
was willing to take to himself the greater part of the blame
of that want of intelligence, and of that little good under-
standing; that there had been complaints that the Govern-
ment had been constructed on too uarrow,a basis; that he
was not disposed (now the Government was upset) to
quarrel with that definition; that, profiting by experience,
he could assure them that if the whole Liberal party would
be again unanimous in supporting him, there should .be
another broad-bottomed administration ; that the area in
future should be extended, the basis should be as wide as
they liked, that the menof the people should find themselves
in the council chambers of the Sovereign, and that all they
had•to do to achieve these purposes was to terminate as
soon as ;possible the administration the noble bird had
himself recommended to her Majesty. Observe what has
happened. , You turned us out of office when we were about
to give you a conscientious administrative reform—(ironical
cheers and laughter from-the ministerial benches.) nave
you.now got it? You turned us out of office, when. you
were in a state of profound peace, and I declare my
solemn conviction that our leaving office has entailed upon
you the state! of war in which you now are. (Hear, hear.)
But if you have lost your administrative ,reform, 'what
have yon gained . A dangerous, not to aay
sa clisastrees
war. Where is the Government on a bread basis which
you haye secured? Where
,is the Ailinioigration on an
extended basis which you were promised ? Whore are the
men of the people in the council chambers: of the Sovereign?
You have not only lost what you might have 'gained, but
you have gained what you might have avoided. You have
gained a Government formed on the most eiclusive basis,
and the principal occupation of, your future career will be
to vote confidence iii the men who take every opportunity
to treat you with the contumely you deserve. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMEBSTON said that, before he adverted to the
.motion before the house, he must say a word or two personal
to himself with reference to accusations" which were brought
against him by the honourable member for'Aylisbury at -the
meeting which took place at Drury-lane. The honourable
gentlanan was pleased to say, in the speech which he, then
made—on an occasion with regard to which it might be said
that there were many persons- represented as having been
present who' were never there at all—(hear, hear, hear)-::-and

that so far from its being a meeting for public discussion, .it
was arranged that only the persons who convened the meet-
ing should speak—the hon. gentleman said, -as reported in
the papers, speaking of him (Lord Palmerston), that this
was the only time ho had seen a man jesting upon the
sufferings of the people—(hear, hoar)—and making light of
their unfortunate condition—( hear, hear)—and this, too, he
said, was done at a moment when Europe was looking to the
British Parliament for an example of wisdom, order, an I
liberal government; and theii ho added that he must acknow-
ledge he had never seen Lord Palmerston in earnest except
when he was vilifying the people of this country. (Hear.)
Now ho (Lord Palmerston) was unwilling in that house to
make use of any expressions which should be contrary to its
rules ; but the, hon. member having made that charge in
public, he, equally in public, and to his face, told the hon.
member that there was not ono word of truth in the asser-
tions that he then made. (Loud cheers from all parts of the
house.) He never jested at the sufferings of the people—
(hear, hear)—he never made light of their unfortunate con-
dition—(mar, hear)—and, so far from ever having vilified
the people of England, the whole course of his conduct

through life, in every word which had fallen from his lips in
that house or elsewhere, attested the respectful admiration
which lie felt for the people of this country, and the pri is
with which he was animated at belonging to a nation so noble
and so distinguished. (Cheers.) He wondered that when
the hon. member made that statement a blush of shame did
not come over his face —(cheers)—at making charges which
his conscience, if it ever spoke to him at all —(laughter)—
ought to have told him were utterly and diametrically the
reverse of the truth. He would say no more of the Drury-
lane private theatricals. (Cheers and laughter.) The motion
theywere called upon to discUss, explained by the speech of
the lion, member for Aylesbury, had turned upon 'the army.
upon the diplomacy, and upon the civil service. He wonderel
the hon. member did not in his speech at all discuss
that question which upon former occasions had been made
so much of--the composition of tho Government.
.That
the • hon. member entirely omitted. With Tegar 1 to
the composition of the Government, he was alone responsible
for it. He raceived the commands Of his Sovereign to submit
to her the list of persons who should form the Government.
Ho was led by no family connexions. There was not a man
of the Government that was related to him by any family
cenneixon. Ho looked out for those men who, being the
most distinguished by their experience and talents in public
life, as proved by their Parliamentary conduct, were most in
agreement with himself in their public principles, with whom
he felt it most likely that he should be able harmoniously to
act, and •by whose assistance tho Government could be roost
efficiently carried on. Therefore, the charge of the Govern-
ment being constructed on family or personal considerations
was a charge which the very existence of the Persees at the
head of the Government entirely and completely 'disproved.
With regard to all those charges which the hon. member had
made with regard to the administration of the army, as his
hon. friend the Under Secretary for the War Department had
gone through them ono by one, and had entirely disproved
every assertion which the hon. member had made,. he (Lord
Palmerston) thought it unnecessary to trouble the house with
anything further on that subject. With regard to the .diolo
matic arrangements, he was really surprised to hear what fell
from the hon. member, for the hon. member was' criticisins
that department in which he himself was for a time employed.
While the lion. member charged the Government with a sys-
tematic disregard of talent, and of a dogged adherence to rou-
tine and favouritism, he himself was allying proof of the false'-
hood of that charge. Why was the bon, =nib it named Un- '
der Secretary for Foreign 'Affairs? Was it from faMily fa-
vieuritism, routine, or' connexion ? Was it not because' 04
noble lord the Secretary for the Colonies —acting nth* upon
what ho had heard of the talents and energy Of the hen:
member, which no one will dispute, whatever they may think
of the discretion of his conduct—offbred him that office, and
proved, in so doing, that in the conduct of the Government
regard is paid to merit; and that thoso who aro responsible for
the great public departments of the state do look out for per-
sons whom they think capable of rendering good service to
the country. It was said that none but the aristocracy were
employed in the diplomatic service, and two names had been
selected by the hon. member as examples, that•all who were
connected with that service were 'pers. But what peers were
they, and how came they to be peers ? Lord Stratford do
Medellin was not made an ambassador because he was a peer.
but he was made a peer because he was an ambassador, and
the coronet which now adorned his brow was the reward of a
long career of honourable and useful service rendered to his
country. (Cheers.) Then, again, there was the cis, of herd
wley. That peerage wss conferred upon the distinguished
father of the present ambassador in France towards the close
of a long and honourable life spent in the service of his coun-
try, and the peerage bad descended to a son who had'most
ably served the Crown, and had proved himself a worthy
nephew of the Duke of Wellington and the Marquis of Welles-
ley. The hon. member had also referred to the sta'e of the
consular establishment in the East. But when the lion, mem-
ber was in the Foreign-office why did he not himself put an
end to the system ? Ho brought with him local knowledge and
personal experience, and why did he not recommend to his
chief some alteration in that state of affairs? Another com-
plaint was that there was no promotion in the consular service:
His reply to this was that he held in his hand a list of the
present consul-generals, hardly one of whom had rot risen
to their position from the post of vice-consul or consul, and
almost all of them had risen from inferior positions in the
consular service. (Cheers.) The hon. member also made
some personal reflections upon the noble lord the present mi-
nister at Florence. That nobleman had filled high and im-
portant offices of state in this country, and it was an 'unwor-
thy effort on the part of the lion, member to intimate that he
was not competent to discharge the duties of the office which
ho holds. (Cheers.) With respect to the civil service, on
which the greater portion of this debate had turned, the
right hon. gentleman the member for Bucks bad informed the
house of all the great plans which his Government had in-
tended to carry into effect if it had pleased .Parliament to
allow them to do so. We know how broad is that pavement
which is said to be paved with good inten'ions--(a laegh)—
and the intentions of the Government of which the right hon.
gentleman formed a part would, no doubt, have extended
over a considerable portion of it if they had been allowed to
lay them down. Now it was very strange in connection with
those reforms, that whenever a thing was not done it was
always magnified and considered of the utmost importance.
No sooner, however, was a thing done than it was usual to
exclaim, " Lord have mercy ! what is the value of that— (a
langli)—we want you to invent something do something
that nobody ever thought of—to find out some evil that had
never been conceived, and provide for it some remedy which
no human ingenuity ever discovered —do this, and their we
will say you are a Government deserving the confidence of
the country." (Laughter.) Now they were told that it w s
important to appoint qualified young men to discharge the
duties connected with the civil service. At present in many
offices a very rigid examination was instituted, and young
men constantly rejected for not being able to pass the exami-
nation. • A young man whom I myself recommended was
rejected by the examiners a short time since. I regretted
that he was so rejected, but on the other hand I was glad to
see that the examiners had exercised that scrutiny which led
to that rejection. (Cheers.) But beyond this, an order in
council was issued the other day for the purpose of enforcing
a uniform system of examination in all public offices connected
with the civil service. He trusted that that would be at-
tended with considerable advantage to the public service.
But we must not deceive ourselves with respect to the attrac-
tions which the public service possesses. We must not
imagine that, even if the public service were held out to
public eompAition, which he did not believe would be appli-
cable to the purpose, but even if they opened an "office to
which any man might come from any part of the country to
be examined, and put down his name as a candidate for vacan-
cies as they arose—they must not imagine that, with the
salaries which were now given to persons employed in the
public offices, with the degree of labour which they would
have to undergo, with the sacrifice of health which confine-
ment to office frequently entailed, with the knowledge that
their meritorious services could not, from the ve,y nature
of their occupations, be brought under official notice, Trail
the length of time they would have to wait before they
could arrive by any progression to the higher and more pro-
fitable employments of the office—they must not, he con-
tended, imagine that the civil service would ever hold out
such temptations as would induce persons of rising talent
to refrain from entering upon the more profitable avo-
cations of commerce, and those other roads to . fame and
fortune which were so much more open than they could
ever -be in the civil service. Now two very contrary
opinions had been propounded to the 'house upon the
subject. Honourable members who sat below the gangway
hold that the Government ought not to follow routine in
official appointments, and that when an office was vacant in
which much responsibility and many important duties were
to be performed, they ought to look out among commercial
men for persons comaetent by their talent and industry to
perform those duties. The right hon. gentleman the member
for Bucks, on the Other hand, hold an exactly contrary doc-
trine, and said that the Government milt to make the civil
service a profession by itself, and make the higher offices
objects of ambition for persons in the lower stations. Now,
in his opinion, neither of these rides ought to be invariably
adhered to. As an instance of how far these appointments
ought to depend upon circumstances, he stated that the office
. of permanent Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
'had recently become.vacant, by the retiromentof the gentle-
man who had formerly held.it. The.noble earl at the heal of
the Fsreign-office had appointed to the vacant post one of the
most distinguished men iu the Foreign-office—one •wha had
worked his way up—and one who by his talents, his energy,
and perseverance, and his great activity of mind, was per-
fectly fitted for the discharge of the duties of the office, aud
to the great honour of Lord Clarendon, and the benefit of the
country, Mr. :Haniniond had 'been made permanent Under-
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. On the other hand,
Lord Fuze WA recently to appeaut persons to fiupern;._

tend other branchei of the public service. The noble lord
appointed Mr.. Howell, a, gentleman who- had 'been
some One ernpleYed by the Government, but was
not officially connected with the Govertnerit. That- gentle.'
Mau was appointed because he was, believed to be perfectly
Competent to discharge the duties which were required
to he performed, and Lord Panmure had said, that during
the short. space of . time fur . which that, gentleman
had been appointed, be had already
.effected coneidpi.
able saving in. the public expenditure in, the department
over which he was placed. (Cheers.) Then, again, in the
clothing department of the army, ,Lord•Panmure had ap-
pointed Sir ThomaS Troubridgo to the head of that depart-`
mont. (Cheers:). That was an officer who had received some
most severe wounds before the enemy, and the appointment
of that gallant officer was a. proof that Lord Patunure was not
insensible to the just claims of the army. (Cheers.) So that
while the noble lord had taken from the commercial world a
man well-fitted 'for the station which he was
.to occupy, he
had upon the other hand conferred by another appouat-
ment a . well-deserved reward upon a most distinguished
military officer. (Cheers.) Those things proved that her
Majesty's Government were fully alive to the duties which
they had to perform. (Cheers.) When the right' hon, gen-
tleman tho member _ for Bucking,hamshira said the Govern-
ment were opposed by a vast majority of that house, he (Lord
Palmerston) said, on the 'contrary, that the Government re-
ceived the thanks of the right hon. gentleman himself—a vote
of confidence by a very large majority.. (Hear.) .They were
certainly indebted to the right hon. gentleman fer`that vote,
because he brought forward a resolution which was intended
to b.c a condemnation of the Government, but Which' resulted-
in an honotira.ble and triumphant acquittal. (Hear, hear.)
It would be superfiuous,to enter into any argument why the
house should not accept the motion of the hon. member for
Aylesbury. The hon. gentleman talked of disasters impend:
ing over the country, and discredit to the national character.
Why, the national character never stood higher that it did at
the present moment, and so far from anticipatingslisastere ire
had every reason for anticipating events of en opposite nature.
(Hear, hear.) We had got in the Crimea an army which,
having, recovered from the sufferings of a severe winter, was
now in as fine a condition as any British army which ever
took the field- an army which, in point of numbers, health,.
eqnipment, spirit, and confidence in its officers, was equal to
any army of any country which ever marched against an
enemy at the beginning of a campaign. (Hear, hear.) It
was fighting side by side with the troops of an ally on whom
we could depend—troops which had shown that their valour
was equal to our own ; and the two combined were a match

for any troops in the world, and wore sure, when they gave
battle, to march to a victorious .result. So far; then, from
talking of discredit to the country, or anticipating disasteri,
he doubted whether there were ten men in the house who
would vote for a resolution which cntained:a statement so
little in consanane3 with the feelings of the country or with
the fair prospects to whicli W 3 were entitled to look forward,

(Hear, hear.) But the GOvernment were asked, with respect
to the motion of the honourable baronet the member for Hert-

fordshire, Whether they accepted it in sincerity. .With sin-
cerity they did accept it. (Hear, hear.) They accepted it
as pledging them to pursue that system of administrative re-
form as an official improvement which that house and the
country required, and which the disposition of the Govern-
ment would equally lead them to adopt. For what possible
interest could any Government have iu pursuing any other
course It had been said that the beads of offices would ab-
stain from appointing oficial staffs, lest the credit should be
reaped by their successors. Why, such a miserable feeling,
would be unworthy of any man who ever occupied a respon-
sible situation. (Hear, hear.) Every public man felt
pride in leaving his office in such a condition .as. would
make it impossible for his successor to improve it ; while
every Government must know and feel that any advantage
which it could derive from obliging friends and constituen-
cies, and conciliating individuals, was as nothing in the
scale compared with the credit and strength which it must
acquire from the efficient performance of the public service.
(Hear.) It must be the interest, as it was the duty, of every
Ministry so to conduct the business of the country as to be
most conducive to the public advantage. The reform of the
public departments was undoubtedly a matter which could
' not be'done without grave injury, much consideration, and
considerable time. It was easy to say consolidate offices, and
so save money and accelerate public business; but, if they
united offices, the business of which is not of the same kind,
they would be joining things which were different in ther
nature, and, instead of producing economy and despatch, they
would produce nothing but confusion and mistakes in the con-
' duct of busiuess. Thence it was necessary that they should
look out for businesses of the same kind, and by putting them
together they would secure unity of decision and despatch.
The Government had done that with rear I to the Ordnance,
and lie anticipated great advantiges from the management of
that office. It would bo then our duty to look into all the
other departments, and if they could find either that by con-
, solidating offices now separate they could procure more unity
of direction, or that by any redistribution of business they
could affect any material economy, theyshould consider them-
selves bound to pursue that course. (Hear,) He should be
glad, indeed, if the House of Commons were to evince a dis-
position to give more adequate remuneration to some of those
engaged in the civil service of the country ; but it could not
be forgotten that it was the hon. gentleman opposite who
proposed, not long ago, that 10 per cont. should bo taken
from the insufficient salary of every clerk in the country,with-
out regard to the special circumstances of each case. (Hear.)
In the meantime the Government accepted the proposal of
the honourable baronet the member. for Hertfordshire as a
pledge on their part that they would turn their serious at-
tention to the continued revision of the diffbrent offices be-
longidg to the civirservice, and that any am •ndment which
they could make, any administrative reform . which they
might think practicable, with advantage to the country and
with justice to the persons concerned, it should be their pride
and pleasure to adopt. (Cheers )
Mr. LINDSAY, who was received with cries of " oh," said
he rose to move the adjournment of the debate. (Cries of
"go on," and "divide.") His reason for making that motion
was that the speech of the noble lord seemed to indicate that
ho thought everything perfect. (Cries of "oh, oh.") But,
ho had another and important reason. The house was aware
that, in another place, ho had made certain statements con-
E netted with the maladministration of the Government, lie
had been told that the Government intended to contradict
those statements ; but he had sat there patiently for two
evenings vainly expecting the Government to do so. Now, as
those statements were very important, awl as be wished to
repeat them in that house, he hoped the debate would be
adjOurned. (Cries of "no, no," and "go on.") He was en-
tirely in the hands of the house, but ho thought it would be
more convenient, as he had still more important statements
to make—statements which would show the Government the
necessity of a thorough administrative reform, if the debate
, were to be adjourned. (Cries of "go on," and "Aivide.")
Admiral BERKELEY said that lie, too, had waited there
all the evening in the hope that the liononrable gentleman
would rise in his place, and repeat the statements which he
thought proper to make At Drury-lane. (Hear, hear.) De
did not think it becoming to the house to take notice of any
such virulent untruths. (Cries of • " order, order," and.
cheers.) Ho was prepared When the honourable gentleman
repeated those statements in that house, where ho was
supposed to speak upon the character and honour of a
representative of the people, to tell him to his face that what
lie asserted was not founded on fact. (A laugh.)
Mr. OTWAY, who rose amid cries of" Oh." said he was
sorry to see that the gallant admiral differed so essentially
from the noble lord at the heal of the Government as to the
propriety of answering the statements made elsewhere. Tho
noble lord had not thought it beneath him to reply to certain
remarks of the hon, member for Aylesbury at Drury-lane ;
but the gallant admiral, using terms so courteous and Par-
liamentary, had not considered it right to reply to the obser-
vations of the hon. member for Teignmouth. , (Hear.) But
as that bon. gentleman had stated -that he was ready to bring
still heavier charges against the Government, bad the gallant
admiral declared that lie wished nothing better than an op-
portunity of meeting those accusations? (Hear.) It appeared
to him (Mr. Otway) that the debate must be adjourned, not
only for the sake of tlioe who wished to s,aeak unon a snb-
jeet of present public interest, but even in justice to the
Government itself. , (Hear.)
The house then divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment R3
Against it 336
Majority
—253
Mr. LAYARD then rose, and claimed the indulgence of the
house while ho said a few words, not so much in reply as in
the way of explanation. He regretted that the debate had not
been adjourned after the words which had fallen from the hon.
and gallant admiral, especially as the words were certainly not
courteous, if, indeed, they were Parliamentary, • The hon, and
gallant admiral had used expressions which directly ques-
tioned the veracity of his hon.' friend (Mr. Lindsay), and he
thought it was only fair that his hon, friend should have
had an opportunity of replying to them. With regard to what
had fallen from the noble lord respecting the words which he
(Mr. Layard) wee reported to have spoken in another place,
and which were not perhaps quite accurately reported, he
had this explanation to offer to the house, that while the
hearts of the country wore rung, while the deepest pain and
sorrow pervaded the laud, in that august assembly the noble
lord more than once rose in his place, when subjects of grave
and serious matter were in debate, and treated them with
levity—(" no, no," and " hear, hear,")—but he trusted that
the tone of the noble lord had improved, (Laughter.) With
respect to what had been said by an hon. member (Mr. F. L.
Gower) in reference to his observations regarding Earl Gran-
ville, he (Mr. Layard) begged to say that ho did not intend
to make any reflection on that noble lord; on the contrary,
what he had said was intended to exculpate him from any
such charge. He was sorry to find that his words, having
been misinterpreted, had given pain to any gallant officer;
and he wished to explain that, when he spoke of the officers
in command of the artillery, he did not allude to Prigadier -
General Strangways or to Brigadier-General Dacres, his ob-
servations having reference to the officer in command of the
artillery at Inkerman. He had not the slightest intention
to cast a personal reflection on those who were concerned,
and he was willing to leave the matter as it stood between
him and the Under-Secretary of War to the judgment of the
house. It was said he had never asked for returns; but
he had asked for returns a few weeks ago, and there was no
use in it, because one, never got them ; and if ho had got
the return he asked for it would strengthen the case
he had brought before the house. On referring to the re-
turn laid on the table respecting the officers who had dis-
tinguished themselves in the Crimea, it would be found
that it perfectly agreed with the statements that he
(Mr. Layard) had made to the house, and if any more officers
had been since promoted he should bo glad to see their n- mes
had upon the table. With regard to the appointment of offi-
cers on the staff, he did not say officers so appointed should
be provided with a certificate from Sandhurst ; what he had
said was, that they should be educ :t ed at a place recognised
for that purpose. Reference to what had been said re•
spotting the appointor of his brother on the staff, lie begged .
to offer the following explanation :—Colouel Dixon wished to
place his brother on the staff as an interpreter, because he
was perfectly acquainted with the French. and Italian lan-
guages, and he frequently asked him (Mr. Layard) to men-
tion his brother at head-quarters. He refuied to do so, but
on the day he was leaving the camp he saw Colonel Steele, and
they were talking about au interpreter. Ho said his brother
spoke French and Italian perfectly well and why not employ
him, and afterwards he saw that ho was placed on the staff,
He bad another brother who filled a government situation in
the island of Ceylon ; ho was in exceedingly bad:health, and
a memorial was signed by sixty men of science in favour of
his removal to New Zealand. The memorial was supported by
the hon, members for Leamington and Merthyr Tydvil ; but
M
ho (Mr. Layard) refused to have anything to do with the e-
morial, and the Duke of Newcastle declined to do anything
in the matter. He thought the noble lord had fallen into an
error when ho said that all consul-generalships were-
given
to consuls. Not one of them bad been consuls except iu one
case, where lately a consul had been appointed consul-general
at cyrout. He (Mr. Layard) had used the. word !` scandalous"
and it was under Stood that that word was applicable to Lord
Hardinge personally. He regretted that any person ehould
suppose that he intended to apply that word to Lord Ha.rdinge
personally, and if the expression had given pain to any
son in that hose, he begged to retract that expression:. per-
,The house then divided. The numbers 'were
'For the original resolution ........... .
Against it....
....... 359 •
, The SPEAKERMajtohrietnypaugtaituhset question on ..... B. amendment, now become the main question. Mr. W. S. LINDSAY—I • •- • '
rise to move the adjournment of
the debate. lam sure, after
especially after the statements of the boa. and
L3;itt3on's
what has passed this evenine,
gallant

the house will be so generous as to grant me the opportunity
of showing on.what grounds I made the statements impugned,
Viscount PALMERStON said that under the circumstances,
'as from the- latenesS of, the hour the hon. gent:eman would
not have an adequate. opportunity for-explanation, he should
assent to the adjoninment of the debate.
Mr. 'DISRAELI inquired whether. the nob lord would
clnsent to the Metropolis. Improvement Bill Aoming "int-first
at the next sitting-of theshouse, as this woui e a great con-
venience.

Viscount PALMERSTON—There is nothi ,like standb:.
by an'arrangement, and we stand by ours as • the Irish bill
coming first. •
Mr. DISRAELI said he should, if he were pr ram,
that the other bil be taken first. '
The debate was•then adjourned to Thursday.
The Spirit of Wine Bill was read a third time.
The Railway 4 (Ireland) Bill passed through committee.
UNION CHARGES ACT CONTINUANCE.
Mr. BAINES brought in a bill to continue r.n act of the
18th year of her Majeity, for charging the maintenance of
certaiii pooepersons in unions in England and Wales upon
the common fund.
YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS BILL.
Sir G. GREY brought in a bill to amend the act for the
better care and reformation of youthful offenders.
RAMSGATE HARBOUR BILL.
Mr. BOUVERIE brought in a bill to alter the management
of Ramsgate. Harbour, and to provide for the future abolition
of the passing toll,
The house adjourned at twenty minutes past two.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS -JUNE 18.
ADMINISTRATIVE REFORM.

Order read for resuming adjourned debate on amendment
proposed to question, " That this House views with deep
and increasing concern the state of the nation, and is of
opinion that the manner in whiCh merit and efficiency haVe
boon sacrificed, in public appointments, to party and family
influences, and to a blind adherence to routine, has given
rise to great misfortunes, and threatens to bring discredit
upon the national character, and to involve the country in
grave disasters :" Aud which amendment was to leave out
from the word "House" to the end of the question, in order
to add the words, " recommends to the earliest attention
-of her Majesty's Ministers the necessity of a careful revision
of our various official establishments, with a view to sim-
plify and facilitate the transaction of public business, and,
by instituting judicious tests of merit, as well as by re-
moving obstructions to its fair promotion and legitimate
secureportion
toof
ithhee
energys r service elite; theintelligence
r wilwhich
riteva7adblse t=o
th
oel t people of.this
out countrystan d partare
obe left
thereof. Question again proposed, " That the words pro-
se:: s tg utihn
eqi
us he
se distinguished,"
question."
instead
n'
~ i The
pro-
posed
Home divided—Ayes 46, Noes 359.
AYES-46,
Alexander, J. Langton, H. G.
Bell. J. Laslett, W.
Bowyer, G. Lee, W.
Brockman, E. D. Lindsay, W.
Brown, it. Lovr, 11.
Cobden; It. Maguire, J. Dlllwyn, L. Mangles, It. D.
Dtuichtsdtl. Miall, E. .
Dunlop, A. Michell. W.
Fitzgerald, W. Mowatt, F.
Fox, W. Murrough. J.
Goderich, Via. - Oliveira, B.
Greaves, E. .. Otway, A.
Grogan, Edward Parker, R.
Hadfield, G. Pechell Sir G.
Keating, IL S.: -Pellatt. A.
King, P. Price, W.
NOES--359.
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