The National Register.
London, England, 1821-06-17 00:00:00

filVitsDAY, Julie 14.

LYGON presented a petition from Dudley, in Wor-
cel.t..lo.lle, agaimi Mr. Sr:sub:tea poor bill.
Mr. LUSH ING FON pi...wilted a petition from Canterbury
aguiust the poor relief bull.
MOCK. CONSTITUIION A L ASSOCIATION.—Mr. HOB-
iiOUSEpaid that he had been i ;;; toted o Oh a petition float

of individual whit convidered I elf eztreim ly aggrieved
by the it...ociat of whtrb the house and the country had
recently heard vo much. He thought that its proceedings,
after what W4ll d ill thr petition, would not Hilly
merit but receive the dizapprolial of all memhel of par.
ttttt .i.t, and even of of the but...critics.% The twlition
nos I, out a person of the Dame of Kin,z, w hove CHMe hall
indeed been elated iii some of the public jesuraulo, and against
whom tin indictment had been preferred by thin consruut intuit
association, etipported httore the gi.tial jury by the evidence
of only nee wtnceft, li. ratiti Horton The petitioner stated
the ease Orton, had w idled to purchase a
pamphlet, plciciiiiing not to know the tissue the printer
and pabiol.ar, %Mk to h iii, on the inuratug of Unit day au


indictment for publishiug such pamphlet had been preferred
against Mr. .Dolby, the publisher. The petitioner urged,
that this boy, Ortuu, had been guilty of something very like
perjury, and he therefore prayed the house to adopt means
to enable him to get the names of the self styled committee
of the self dityled constitutional association. The case was
one of very great hardship. The society were invisible and
unknown; they were irresponsible; and they might keep
indictments hanging over the heads of these pamphlet sellers.
The society for the suppression of vice expended 1701. in the
prosecution of Davison; Isar much then might it cost per.
sons to prepare themselves for defence ! They might thus be
ruined without ever being brought to trial.—This society he
contended, was of most pernicious tendency. The Court of
King's Bench had not pronounced any opinion as to the
legality of the sin iety ; they could not express any such
opinion; on Mr. Bluckhurite's arguments the court had
promulgated no such sentiment. But the society bad cone.
menced prosecutions where the crown's law.uflicers had cuu-
sidered that it aus nut prudent to prefer indictments ur
informetions; amongst other matters they had commenced
prosecutions against papers, for publishing the electors of
Westiniustei's address to Sir F. Burdett. which he (Mr. II.)
signed. They might us well have proveuted him, and he
wished to God they had done so; but iustead of that they
pi ',seemed some newspapers, while the society sent him
some circutars, and solicited his subscription ! He was con-
cetned that the ladies and gentlemen, whose names were
fuuud amongst the subscribers, should have so far forgotten
their duty to the country. for they could not have desired to
divide society into two classes; but he was more particularly
concerned to timid, amongst the subscribers, the mane of the
Duke of Welitnetim, to whose means the nation had so
liberally subscribed.—reditiuti read and ordered to be
printed.
SCOTCIII Ilencrs.—Lord A. HAMILTON presented time
report of the Scotch burghs' committee. In doing so, he
could not lose the opportueity of stating that lie did not
concur in this report—that it did not express his sentiments ;
Ids main complaint, however a as, that the Cl.llllllllllCe 111111
not fully and fairly performed the duties imposed on them
by the house—tiny had nut collect, d lull and ample evidence
such as was requisite lot the Men motion of the house.—lie
concluded with moving, that the report he lead.
Lord BINNING expressed his astonishment nt what had
(peen from the noble lord. As to the report, if it were
carried into effect, lie thought all the evils that ought to be
complained of would be remedied.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE concurred in the opinion that
had fallen from his noble friend (Lord Hamilton) near hies,
Sir It. FERGUSON obeerved, that the committee were
chiefly composed of the friends of ministers—of gentlemen
who sheaved t heir consistency in supporting abuses wherever
they acre found.
Mr. K. DOEGLAS defended the committee. He thought,
if the recommendations of the report were adopted, the evils
complained of would be remedied.
IIU ME said, Use complaints were against the prioeiple
of self-election, &c. which led to the waste of money, and
and yet this committee agreed, contrary to the compiniuts
of all the petitioners, that such principle was out the cause
of the irregularities. They decided for the abuses ; the
worse they were the closer they stuck to them. Report read
and ordered to be printed.
The woollen cloths' stamping bill was read a third time
amid passed.
Lord MILTON asked, seeing the chairman in his place,
when the house was to expect any report from the commit-
tee on agriculture ?
Mr. GOOCH replied, that the report was not yet ready s
that it would he prepared as sous as possible, amid presented
alter it was ready.
Sir. FREEMANTLE now held in his hand a bill for the
better regulation of the water works in the metropolis; it
was prepared and brought in pursuant to the recommendation
of the committee un this subject. He concluded with viug
fur leave to bring in a bill for the better regulation of water
companies, Stc.
Mi. HUM E should out oppose the bill now sow. Motion
agreed to.
SCARLETT moved, that the further consideration of
the report of the pour relief bill be postponed and Wednes-
day next. That was the first open day, and lie understood
that many hum. members were anxious to express their senti-
meats oil the bill.—Nlotion agreed to.
Mr. FREEMANTLE thy', brought in the water winks'
bill. Read a first Hine, and ordered to be read a second
time this day fortnight, lind to be printed.
Mr. HUME anti rose to move far the production of the
evideoce, &e. taken before the water %yolks committee, Its
repot t s mid that the companies had violated the charters and
principles of which they had received the sanction of par-
liament, and yet a bill was brought in to strengthen and
eolitiun those companies. Ile concluded with moving, that
the said evidence be laid before the house.
AGILICULT•ItE.—Mr. CUR W EN then bruught forward
his 'notion fur leave to bring iu a bill to repeal time dui) uu
agricultural horses
Mr. GOGOCH seconded the motion.
Mr. DA VEN PORT spoke in support of the motion.
Ni. GOK 1. declared that it was quite dm lightful to him to
Mar oil tins occasion the language which was lielit by the
gents. opposite; and the compliment paid by the chairman
of the agricultural committee to the lion. member fur Aber-
demo, must be, no doubt, highly gram itying to him. Fur (Out-
sell, lie was ire old member of that house ; and lie could tak-
upon Wiese!, to say that since he first cattle into it, he dad
nut reinvinher any geotleinan In whom the country watt am
1111161 indebted as to his hon. friend (Mr. Hume) whose ex-
ert had been as iineortant as they were unremitting—
Bat lie was perfectly charmed with the language of the hon.
isiendar for eiuthilk. That lion. gent. aho had fur so many
years 'slimily supported his Majesty's ministers—whim had
stood by them imposing every tax during that period, and in
passing evm•ry hill brought in by them—was now fur repeal-
ing the agi multural horse duty. (Ilear.)
Sir G. BURRELL also spoke in approbation of the neces-
sity of agreeing to the bill.
Mr. BARING spoke aeainst the bill, as may proposing a
small reduction. The agriculturists had experienced great
beiwtit•, a hile theirsuppoiters had voted away roach money.
Time CHANCELLOR of the MICH EQU Lk opposed the
repeal of this tax, which les contended did not press so
heavily on the firmer that the repeal of it would at all re-
lieve time egricultural interest. He cuncludi ml by moving,
as ;.n Amendment, ter_ previous gum blinll.
Mr. II USKISSON contended that the financial system of
i the country week! be broken down, if the proposii loos of
gentlemen opposite were once adopted. Otte gentleman
sweated ui mepeal the malt tax—another tare wool tax--
until her the salt tax—nnotlwr the window lax. The evil or
thus byt..i.l of getieral repeal must be evident, tied them.-
° lute he should support the pi evium quoition.

Mr. BROUGHAM considered this tax to siu greatly
against all the principles which might to concur in the jus-
tification of any tax. First of all, it was a tax on an instru-
ment of labour ; secondly, it was a tax thnt fell unequally in
all cases; and thirdly, it was a tax that fell most unequally
upon !those lands which were least nble to bear it—grass
lands being free from, and arable lands being liable to it.—
Ile should therefore vote against the tax.
Mr. CU RN' EN replied.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, and the house
divided, when there appeared—For the motion, 141—
Against it, 113—Majority against ministers, '4N.
The decision was hailed with loud cheering*, and leave
was accordingly granted to bring in the bill.
On oar re-admission to the gallery, we found
Mr. CURWEN in the act of bringing up his bill, which
was read a first time forthwith. The hon. gent. was ap-
pointing to-morrow for the second reading of it, when he was
interrupted by
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who sug•
g ested that Monday would be n more convenient day than
to-morrow for the second reading.
On this a long discussion took place, but ultimately Mr.
Curwen fixed the second reading for to-morrow.
Lord MILTON gave notice, that he should, before the
bill went into a coininitts, move that it be an instruction to
it to bring up ai clause to :epeel the duty upon foreipi wool.
Mr. CUR WEN was understood to say that he should
certainly oppose it.
CIIIMLTY TO ANIMAL! 81LL..--.Mr. R. MARTIN
moved the order of the day for bringing up the report of this
bill.
Mr. BROGDEN brought up the report.
On the question that the amendment be rend a second time,
Mr. COULBURN opposed ir, and moved as an amend-
[lseult that the amendments be read a second time that day
six months.
The house then divided, when there appeared—For the
motion, 16—Fur the amendment, 20. On those numbers
. .

being (lectured,
The SPEAKER. gave the eating vote for agreeing to the
amendments.

The bill was then ordered to he read a second time, but we
did not learn on what day. Adjourned.
FRID•Y, JUNK 15.
Mr. Quartile, the yeoman usher of the blnck rod, sum-
moned the Home to attend the House of Peers to hear the
Royal assent given to sundry public and private
(See Lords.)
The loan bill went through a committee ; as did the Irish
treasury bill's bill.
On the motion thnt the exchequer bills, bill be committed,
Sir E. KN ATCII BULL noticed some surcharge. respect-
log horses in the neighbourhood of London, and particularly
a complaint that had been preferred to the treasury ;—he
wished to know what answer had been retnrned.

Mr. LUSHINGTON said, he should be prepared to give
the rtquisiteinformution on Monday.

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Bill committed —Report on Monday.
Mr. CURWEN inured the second reading of the agricul-
tural horse tax repeal bill. He understood there was to be
no objection to the bill in I he present stage of it ; hut he should
bope that any contemplated opposition would be shown as
early as possible.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON wished the next stage of the bill to
be axed for Tuesday.
Sir J. N EWPORTe aid, that notices bad precedence on
Tuesday, therefore that day would be inconvenient.
Sir E. KNATCIIBULL expressed the hope that the
ministers would a ithdraw their opposition to this bill—that
they would bow to the sense of the house; and he therefore
hoped the boa. mover would proceed with the bill on Mon-
day. (Hear, hear.)
After some remarks from Mr. Calcraft, &c. the bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday.
The stamps on deeds bill (Ireland) was read a third lime
and passed.
The house went into a committee on the motion of Mr.
Chetwynde, on the summary proceedings' bill. Report on
Tuesday next.
The committee on the East India private bill was post-
poned till Tuesday next.
The committee of ways and means was postponed till
Monday.
The house went into a committee on the assessed taxes

composition bill.
In a conversation that took place, the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER was understood to say, that those who
desired to enter into the proposed composition, would have
to pay SI. per cent. in addition to their preceding assess-
ment4.—Report on Monday.
CROWN L•Ros.—Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a
petition front certain parishes in Kent, Complaining, that
persons in their twighlawrituud had purchased crown lands,
and that such crown lands were exempt from the payateut
of poor rides. This they considered a great hardship.
Mr. N. cALvERT remarked oat the course pursued in
such sales, observing, that the crown might thus derive touch
better bargains than any other parties.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that what characterised (hi. case characterized that or
all other crown lauds; they were exempted front the poor
rates,

Petition read—it was from persons in Bewley, und other
parishes in Kent.
Mr. HARING having spoke of the cave,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that the exemption was continued to afford encouragement
or the growth of timber for the navy.
Sir 1. COFFIN said, that the hest timber for the navy
was procured from the King's Forests.
Mr. HARING objected to this mode of encouraging the
growth of timber; it was done at the expense or individuals,
and therefore worked considerable hardship.
Sir I:. KN ATI:1111UL', said, hr should leave the case
with goverumeid, after what had passed.—Ordered to be
printed.
Latex Revawfx.—On the motion that the Irish revenue
Inquiry bill be committed,
sir J. NEW PORT spoke of the importance of the duty
that would be imposed by this bill a heavy responsibility
would devolve on those w lio should undertake such duty.-
11 oftreat importance. lle hoped persons of
weight nod consequence would be appointed; that they
would not be misled by the proveihial hospitality, since
Ireland Shen. d any thing but her distresses ; and that t hey
would net with a due 'topic of the isoipoaitiore of the
meoiStlie.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHLOELII adooticil tite
importance of Ihe measure, thought the conumissiono
would be of as Mil h cull.. tiLicliCP In its opro.!iiion a. any
rimomisoion that had eVrr torso' issued. 11 I, ill,
Istoviog, that the Speak(' do lease the chair.

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Mr. CALCRAFT also acknowledged the importance of
the mertosre, but he hoped that no member of parliament
would be named of the commission, which would add fresh
burdens to the country, as there were already members
enough holding places. This influence wa% felt
The CIIANCLI.I.OIt of the 'At:III:QUER said, that
one member was to be named, but lie would not require an)

Mr. HUME did not know why five commissioners siere to
be named, and he objected to the appointment of 'umbels,
whether they received pay or not. Those situ were ap-
pointed ought not to have any other situation.
Mr. I. LEWIS said he had been named for the commis-
sion. If lie were appointed, whether paid or not, he should
do his duty; but was there to he an exception, regarding pay,
in his iibtance Wns it to be said, that because a member was
paid for honest services. his opinions must therefore neces-
sarily be warped? If lie thought so, he should hope that
that the ground might open and swallow him us a disgrace
to human nature. lie thought some members ought to be
named on this committee.
Mr. WALLACE said he should decline remuneration, be-
cause he already held office, find he thought that this ap-
pointment might be made. compatible with his other ovum-
lions. The principle, however, of accept log service without
regarding it, wits not a good one.
Mr. CA LCIIA objected to the proceeding on principle.
Ile was against extending the influence of the crown in con-
ferring appointments on members of that houset To hear
the hon... "etilleman who List spoke, they might be led to sup-
pose that he was going on n forlorn hope—that it was a most
desperate proceeding; for he clever saw a face put into such
a form.

After an extended desultory conversation iu which Mr.
Grenta, Sir C. Long, &c. took place, the House being iu
a Committee on the bill,
Mr. MAIIERLY moved as an anwniii»etir, that the
Commissioners be" three" in number, instead of " tire."
That however was negatived.
On the proposition to insert the name of Mr. A. Wal-
lace, a member, as a Commissioner, the Committee
divided.—Ayes Sl—Noes 23—Majority in favour of the
proposition .18.
On the proposition to insert the name of Mr. F. Lewis,
also a member, one of the Irish Revenue Inquiry Com-
missioners, the Committee divided. The numberi were—
Ayes 77—Noes 3l—Majority in favour of the motion 4s.
—Report on Monday.
The house then went into a Committee of Supply, in
which

Mr. IRVING brought forward, et considerable length,
the claims fur compensation of Gen. Desfourneux for
losses et Guadeloupe.
Mr. GRES FELL considered that a sum of IVO. 2s -Id
weuld be • full remuneration for General Desfourneux,
for the losses he had sustained ; and he would propose
that sum, instead of the grant of 26,0001. which had been
previously proposed.
Mr T. WILSON defended the claim of General Des-
fourneaux to the full extent.
Mr. Alderman WOOD also supported the proposition
for the larger sum. He thought the honour of the country
was pledged to pay this just debt.
Mr. HUME wished to know if this claim had been sub-
mitted to a Select Committee; if it lied, the vote should
have his support.
Mr. IItVING said, the claim had been discussed by a
Select Committee.
The Committee then divided on Mr. Grenfell's Amend-
ment—for the original resolution A—for the amendment
10—majority for the General's claim SI.
The vernal ll i l %orders and business having been disposed
of, the House adjourned to Monday.