The National Register.
London, England, 1822-07-28 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mo'DAY, JULY 22.
The House was summoned to the House of Peers to hear
the royal assent given, by commission, to sundry public bills,
sec. (See L ids.)
Mr. T. WILSON presented die report of the committee on
the OrpMina' Fund Dill.
Mr. 11. SUMNER spoke in disapprobation of the measure.
Tile business of receiver of that fund was, in fact, performed
fur 15(il. and yet an lion. baronet not only received a per rent-
age, and held in his bands at times 10,0001. Ile could out
approve the hon. baronet's conduct, or of the hill.
Mr. 131t0GDEN, in behalf of au old and esteemed friend,
said, did lie did not consider there was the least rellectiou on
the hum harouct (Sir W. Curtis). Ile was not aware fiat an
hun. member (Mr. Sumner), bad intended to oppose the bill.
Mr. SUMNER said, no person alto knew him, or bail read
the evidence, could imagine that he could give up the opposi-
tion to this measure. Any person who asserted the contrary,
made a very broad assertion.
Mr. BROGDEN observed, if it were meant to be stated,
that ke kuew that such assertion Was unteue.
Mr. G. BENNET, adverting to the general question, con-
tended, that Mete was 110 rea.ou why there should be any third
person and between the collector and the chamberlain.
Mr. HUME spoke to the like elrect.
On the qiieetiun, the House divided—Ayes 37, Noes, 14.-
3lajority
The House again divided—Ayes 30, Noes 11.
Colonel DAVIS said, that no wisrepieseutation had gone
gone forth respecting what he had said on the subject of the
eft:jab vessel.
Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from T. J. Wooler,
complaiuiug of the packing of juries—that '• pa-king," aid
violation of the Charter which cost Charles I. his life, sod
James the 11. his crown.
Mr. C. W INN asked whether it would not be better to
defer the printing of the pettiest' till any charges might be
brought forward.
Sir F. BURDETT had no objection. Motion deferred.
On the motion of the Irish Coroner's Bill, Mr. S. Rice pro-
posed some anieuthaents.
Mr. R. MARTIN denied that this bill was an es post facto,
as regarded the coroner.
Mr. Goulliurn and Mr. Dawson trusted that the amendment
would be withdrawn, as it would total to make the bill wipe.
rative. Amendment negatived.
lilt. S. RICE proposed some other amendment, un which the
House was about to divide ; but it was withdrawn.
The report was agreed to; and bid ordered to be read a
third time on Wednesday.
SCOTLAND.—Mr. ABERCROMBY understanding
that his motion for correspondence between the Lord Advocate,
Sc. of which lie had given notice for tn-morrow, was to be op-
reeved, lie should not press that motion. lie was satisfied find
nothing would be usetul but a cousinittte on this suhject. When
the ducuments already ordered should be ',collet-ea, lie should
be able to judge of the necessity of further enquiry ; hut it. the
mean time he pledged I •elf, early in the next sessions, to
move fur a committee, and to prosecute the question with all
the zeal in his power.
The LORD ADVOCATE °lnterred, that he had no objection
to the protection of the correspondence, though the promised
motion was rather an extraordivary character; he only wauted
the amplest enquiry.
The House weal into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. GOULBURN moved, that there be granted 02301. for
buildint Churches in Ireland.
Me. HUME opposed the motion. Ile should resist any far-
ther grant till he kuew what the Church already possessed. The
!rid' Church was a cormorant. lie nested. that plot oat shil-
ling more would be granted to it. He hoped that much of that
property would be in the next Session brunglit to the publio ac-
count. This might startle some gentlemen—but be sincerely
hoped that such would be the case. lie should resist any
farther grant.
Mr. S. RICE said, the way in which Protestantism was pro-
moted in Ireland was in the shape of a tax ; was that likely to
be saccessful
Mr. C. W YNN spoke in favour of the grant. It was incum-
bent on them to supply the places of worship for the Protest-
ants in Ireland,
Mr. G. BENNET said, would they vote 10,0001. more to the
richest church in Europe, and a church that did less for its
receipts than any other church
Mr. HUME read some extracts from reports, in support of
his resistance of the motion of further enquiry.
Mr. GOULLIOU RN had no objection to inquiry, or to the
produetiou of any lulus-medal connected with his uthee.
Mr. R. 31A141 IN supported the grant.
Mr. 3IONCIX was against the grant.
The gallery was cleared for a division. The numbers were
—For the resolution, 26—Agaiest it, 17—Majority, U.
Several other items were disposed of without any division.
Upon the tetolutiim for 75001. for printing proclamations and
government advertisements, arc. in the Gazette, and various
other Irish neweinipers.
Mr. HUME complained that the distribution of the Govern-
ment advertiatanents was etude a matter of Government patron •
age, and not given to those papers which had the widest
co cuisine:it, but to those which supported die conduct of ministers,
whether they had any cireulatton or not. lie believed some
papers were kept up only for the purpose of receiving the Go-
vernment advertisements. llc was sorry to say the same system
was efeeping into this country. Obscure weekly papers were
favoured with a large portion of the public advettiecuients, whilst
tat: daily intpere of tieihiglie.t circulation were ever thought of.
Ile moved, as ton amendment, to reduce the grant to 5,0001.
- Mr. GOULISURN deiended the aysteui adopted by the Irish
Government. :mil denied that the advertisements of Government
were matle a source of Government patronage.
After some conversation the conittaitteedivided—For the grant
4S—For the amendment, 11—Majority in favour of the optima
grant, 57.
The re,,t of th,e 1144 Latimatt.., were, after Mlle difiCiWilAs

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disposed of; the I. lc proposed by Mr. Gout.itunx was, a
further sum of 200,05i1. to be applied as occasion required to
tclicve the wants or the distress Lil impulation of that country.
T:ie committee thcu proceeded to dispose of the remaining
English miscellaneous estimate:, and Mr. Alosuauxo.t. pl
pot.eil a resolution fur graining 200,0001. for the contingencies of
the Cavil List not provided for.
proposed to reduce the sum by 50,0001.
Mr. AIIBUTUNOT defended the original vote.
Mr. 11. G. BENNET supported the amendment.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY dsfended the original
vote. None of the extraortlintines tent into the pockets ut the
'Ortign ministers.
Mr. MOM:Ii supported the amendment.
Atter a few words front Mr. 11. GURNEY, the committee
divided upon the amendinent, when there appeared—For it, 12
—A,•ainst it, 62—Majority, stl.
Vle nest resolution was, that a sum not exceeding 18,7001.
be granted to his Majesty for the purpose ut detrayini; the
dental expenees of the mixed commission for putting down die
illicit traffic in slaves.

131s11NAI, thought that the grant entailed upon the
country unneccsKary exptmce.
Air. W. SAIITII foiLia4al on the same aide.

Sir G. COCABURN defended the grant.
Dr. LUSHINGTON moved, that the grant be reduced to
17,2001.
After a few words from the Marquis of Low DONDERIt v and
Mr. Annu•rltsor, who supported the original grant, the
amendment Was negatived wizilout a division.
tollowing resolutions were then agreed to:-
310,0w1. fur defraying the out-pensioners ot Greenwich llos-
pitt.l.

4,5001. for three of the commissioners for inquiring into the
revenue of Ireland.
50,tsiol. to ‘vartls &fraying the cxpcnccs of building courts of
justice in Westminster It all.
9711. las. to enable his Majesty to make allowances to the
servants of het late Majesty Qum Caroline.
1.2,500 i. on account of the allowances that would have been
due in October last, to be applied to the payment of her. Majesty's
debts.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then proposed
a vote of 7,3001. to Mr. henry Burgess, in compensating for
expenses locumsl by him in prosecution of his scricine fat the
more speedily forwarding of letters by an extra mail.
The resoartion was agreed to.
Mr. W. COURT ENAY moved a resolution to the effect the
a suns not exceeding 12,854 i. be granted to W. Gwintsee and J
11. Rubinson, whose estates, as two American loyalists, were no
c..iitemplated by the vote of last session, but who, nevertheless
were precisely in the same Situation as the parties then provided
for.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-.
QUER and Sir 031MANEY, time resolution was agreed to.
The house then resumed, the Chairman reported progress, and
obtained leave to sit again to-morrow.
The oilier orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at one o'clock.

TUESDAY, :tu.v 23.
Mr. WALLACE presented a further report from the Com-
mittee on Foreign Trade.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel WOOD gar e notice, that on Tuesday nest he should
move a series of Resolutions un the subject of the LAN 01 Set-
tlement.

The East India Company's Loan Bill, and the Silk Bounties'
Bill, were read a third time mid passed.
The New South Wales Miles' Bill, and the tuitional monu-
ment (Scotland) Uhl, were read a third time and passed.
The Giemiland Fisheries Bill went through a Comwitiee.—
Report to-morrow.
ilr. C.:W. WYNN presented a petition from Mr. )litford,
one of his Majesty's Commissioners for enquiring into the
Courts of Justice, Ireland, rebutting statements in Baron
O'Crady's letter. Petition read. The petitioner prayed for
leave to prove at the liar the error of the Baron's statement.—
Ordered to be printed
The Cominercii.l Credit Bill, Ireland, was read a second time
—Committee to.morrow.

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The Irish Stamp Duties Reduction Bill was read a second
time. Committee un Friday.
Parss, St:tar/sm.).- 'lt: LORD ADVOCATE moved for •
production of the authority on which such law (Slicer of Scot-
land issued the concourse," as applicable to the case of
Bortbwick. lie was desirous of spewing that the .• concourse"
was graded us a mutter of course. He wished to give the
hon. member opposite (Mr. Abereroinhy) an opportunity to ex-
plain some matters that had takes' place in the progress of re-
cent proceedings regarding the prosecutions i Scotland. IJe
might have met them at the time, but lie had adopted a different
course. Mr. Hope was not answerable for his conduct. It
was the intention to proceed against Borthwick. The law offi-
cers for the Crown bad considered that such case ought to he
prosecuted. If Mr. hope's advice lead becu followed, there
would have been a prosecutiou ut Glasgow. He bad in com-
plain of the notices given by Mr. Abercroluby, and of the
postponements from April. He would remark that in the course
of what be had dune respecting Mr. Smart, lie had been actuated
by a desire to serve rather than to injure that gentleman.—
But how did the hou. and learned member know that he (the
Lord Advocate) knew any 'Mug of the ease of Borthwick ?
There were many criminal proceedings in Scotland of which.
the Lord Advocate knew nothing. As to the treatment which
Borthwick had experienced, lie declared to Cod that he was
ignorant of what was going forerun'. Ile therefore trusted that
the hon. and learned gentleman would explain, why he bad
brought forward charges against absent persons without having
previously given notice of such inteisious. These explanatioes
were requisite, because corrupt, political, and shameful unitises
had been attributed to tine law officer.. of Scotland. He con-
cluded with moving for the authority before mentioned.
Mr. ABERCROMBV expressed his astonishment at the
course which the Lord Advocate had deemed it right to pur •
sue. lie believed that course was wholly unprecedented--
That public (Slicer now deemed it right to come do sn with a
supplemental evidence; the proceeding was most raordinary
—yet such mode bid been adopted. 'l% hat he (Mr. Aber-
cromby ) bad done, he still approved ; if the proceedings were
again to be adopted, he should agaiu pursue the course lie bad
previously pursued ; and lie knew that what lie had done, and
especially what lie should do, was on his owe single, inthisi-
dual responsibility. From that responsibility he did not, lie
should nut shriek. Ile now knew, from what had been the
practical result, that such was the case ; he now knew from
what had happened, that whoever hereafter appeared as a pub-
lie accuser, must do it on his own persoual responsibility ; dint
be must stand alone. That was what was now established.--
Ile cared nut; he should proceed on his own personal respon-
sibility. That the Lord Advocate should complaint of igno-
rance of mutters that were adduced, was to bun a matter. of
astonishment. The co ...... anemia's with Edinburgh were !re-
quest enough. ; the Lord Advocate might have had information,
if be had desired it. Ile mentioned Mr. Hope, because he
deemed it essential to the case ; whether be hail 'scalene.'
Mr. Menz;es or nut, he did not know ; some said lie had not ;
it was at all events a matter of indifference to him. Ile had
also itakationett Messrs. Cheap, Mac Neill,Niuntio, &c. The

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hon. and learned member added, that in his opinion, the trans-
actions established a prima jinie mute, which called for the
serious attention of the House.
Motion agreed 10.
Lvw AtArru nudist SCUTI.AND.—Mr. HUME presented a
penning folio an iudividutd, ewuplaiiiiog of the conduct of the
Loral Advocate and of the Lurd President Hope. 'fhe bon.
member went into one details of the Lord Presideut, and
oomplained of that Judge still retaining a command in a volun-
teer corps. Such command had induced that Judge to bold
language which was utibecutuing of au individual holding such
(Ace.
The LORD ADVOCATE said, that the lion. member had
kept hack such petition fur three months ; that the individual
bad been punished ; and that his 'mauler had proceeded from
the unenialions opinion of the Judges.
.Ir. PEEL ohsn-ved, that the corps of which the Lend Pre-
shield bad been colonel no longer existed : it had been dis-
banded ; not in consequence of any conduct traced to the Lord
President, but because it was no longer wanted.
Mr. HUME made some observations, alter which the peti-
tion was read. It was from au individual named flay, of Leith,
betting forth that he bad married where a minor of the family
had become entitled to property ; that the I: ly bad in vain
applied for justice for 311 y tars ; 110 that the perseverance of
the petitioner had subjected him to the prosecution of the Lord
President Hope. Sc. The Petitioner further urged, that by a
corrupt administration of the laws, be had lost his properly ;
and he therefore prayed the House to alfural him redress, to
call for the papers illustrative of the case.—Petitiou ordered
to lie on the table.
SPA NISI! I'l It VIES.—Mr. CANNING presented a peti-
tion fount meiCll4lllB Of Liverpool, complaining of the
system of ;Macy cavilled on in the West Indies, Oo:c. tinder
the sipani4ii colours. They had appded fur protection in
vain. The petitioners added, that the Ammicatis had
interfered with such piracies, and that they hail lieopiently
1.11/IVeiCli the Haiti:di flag. lie mentioned instances of
itel and scv me pinveednigs of the pirates, where they
had coolly nod deliticiately committed amide's under the
most Moro ohle cilcnmstanees, after having got on bawd
the British vesae lA. Such wits the character of the pro-
ceedings. Ile ems sure, that if the mother ministry had
lost the will or the power to interfere, this eutatitty must
take into its own hands the protection of its awn coin.
'tierce. At present tour uteri:tient+ were indebted to the
courtesy of the Americans for any protection they might
have expedience./ against the pirates swotting into the West
Indies, chiefly Irmo Spanish America. This county, lie
felt persuaded, at ultimately interfere.—(Bear, hear.)
Petitien rd ad.
Sro G. COCKBURN observed, that when the colonies
eviured the dispobition to throw Mi. the allegiance of the
souther country, these vessels Legato their dept ethilootis ;
and the English forces had authority to interfere wherever
they had fair 111.kelo of ahslticiun; *peaking generally,
very setiour outrages had taken place; but that was riot
eke case with e.eira. (Heat.) Teel e *tie vessels lying
et Cuba, the parties lielongtoug to which watched trout
their height' the vessels that passed by; it they were
merchantmen, not men of war, then they sallied forth to
pursue and seize such vessel). The prizes wet e earl ied
Imo Cola. there was ho proceeding against Ili e place,
for there was 'awhile; but Mats to destroy. Our own ships
kid convoy, but we eutild not give convoy to foreign
ships. He menttotied au instarce (Capt. Itsishaties case)
where a vessel had tress taken louder convoy, it beii.j
supposed to be a Spanish, hut it proved la be a l'ot m-
ein se vessel f' and in consequence of legal proceedings a
verdict of 30•' 031. had passed against such captain.
Mr. CANNING explained.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, the first time that the
Nowt ionicoot heard of such pteCeedillgA was ill March last,
from despatches and Letitia tot warded to his Lordship's
other. 'I lie goveamtseia immediately called the attention
of the Spanish Clout t to suet' outrages, setting forth, that it
would he to the nattiest of troth rummies, to ptet all end to
such puler eilioogs, and adding, that if the Spanish Court
did 1141 i lest it pi litlent to ham fere, the Englialo Govern-
-111-11) 110151 take halo its 0411 I,anJs, the ;detection of its
own co iiiiii erce. Towle had hero a good deal of comes.
pontletice 011 the stobjeet, an ilia.. with the an: noris ie. in
the Hataiiimlis and uegociations were slid proceeding.—
His Itisdalaip also adverted to a pi °verdant; (hut had ire ell
adopted by this cunittrys His lordship concluded with
remarking (hut the English trovernmem lead left nothing
undone that was calculated to promote the security tot our
t•ummcta. Pe Moo ordered to be whited.
IsCituE IT prosented a petition from Mr. 11.
Hoist against the prison laws.—.Ordereot to be printed.
Itlr. HUME postponed till Thursday the proposition of
his tesolution regarding the character of the sink iseg fund.
Atter sonic COlibCtbillitill me the merits tot the Canada
Trade 811, m the comae of which Sir F. Burdett compli-
me Hied iounietera ler having tie ought it forward, and
charged the opposition with having paralleled
41) ago just it, tile Bill was withdrawal till next sessium
Mr. LEN NARD brought thins-aid the motion of which
he had formeoly given notice, ter the prothiclionuf copies
of ally C4.41C4/1/1111CliCe wluclt laud taken place between
the government and the agent of the indepentievat /states
of with America, or between the Euglisli anobassadurot
and that individual

Lord LONDONDERRY opposed the motion, on the
grounds teat tiegueiations uetestsli pr eittiss4.
Tile house then divided—tot tile motion, lb—Agaiust
it, 32—Majoriss, 34.
Nll.ll}2FOlteE postponed his motion 011 the
slave trade to the 3d of August.
The repos tot use supply lA.lb then brought up, and after
Amur con•rrsauuu seas agreed to. The other us desk MLie
disposed of and the house adjourned._