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rishas where the rate had been refused. In conclwic n;
he contended, as he had set out that the true object of
this bill was not to relieve the conscientious Dissenter,
but to impose a double burden upon the Church of Ent f-
lorid, whilst it gave to the Dissenter all the rights an, I
privileges of that church. (Cheers.)
Mr. a FORSTER said it appeared to him that
the only way in which this much-vexed question
could be settled was by the insane proposed by the
measure before the house—namely, by the total and
immediate abolition of church rat (Hear, 'tear.')
He, therefore, trusted this bill might not be plo.ce(
amongst the category of measures which were to sta
over for settlement until the conclusion of the war, I )1 !
cause he thought that the present was more particular
the time when every means ought to he taken to remo v e
all differences of religious and sectarian feeling, with a
view of cementing a more perfect "union to conquer," an d
in the hope, also, of securing an ultimate peace, founde
upon a purely religious basis. (Cheers.)
Mr. WIG-RAM opposed the bill, believing that its
tendency, so far from settling the question at once, was
rather to keep the agitation alive.
Mr. VERNON, although he was no advocate for Dis-
senters; being compelled to support an establishment with
which they disagreed in principle, and although he was
most desirous to see them relieved from such a necessity,

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at the satne time thought that as the bill had been shor❑
of its proper pretensions, and that it would prove quite
inoperative, he could not give it his support.
After a few words from Mr. GURNEY, also in oppo-
sition to the bill,

Mr. BENTINCK was sorry to interpose any remarks
of his own, as the house seemed anxious to go to a divi-
sion—but considering the importance of the bill to the
country at large, and that the house had therefore a
right to expect the presence of some members of the
Government—(hear, hear)—and perceiving that there
was not a single member of the Cabinet on the
Treasury bench, he should move the adjournment of the
debate. (Hear.)
Admisil WALCOTT having said a few words on the
principle of the bill,
Lord SEYMOUR said he voted for the second reading
of the bill because he thought its principle ought to
be recognised ; and he believed there was a very
general feeling on both sides of the house in favour of the
abolition of church rates. At the same time he had im-
pressed upon the Government the propriety of its coming
forward and setting the question at once at rest. As
there was no member of the Cabinet now present he
should vote for the further progress of the measure, with
a view of showing to the Government the necessity of
recognising the duty of relieving Dissenters from the
burden of supporting the Church. At the same time,
whilst for his own part he was most anxious for the
speedy accomplishment of that object, he did not think
the present measure went properly to the point desired,
but thought it ;ought to be discusied in the hope that
something better might be devised.
Some further discussion then ensued, after which
Mr. COWPER opposed the motion for the adjourn-
ment of the debate, and also explained that the mem-
bers of the Cabinet were unavoidably absent in council.

Sir S. NORTHCOTE contended that the bill could
not touch the particular grievances complained
of by his own and other constituencies ; and in-
stead of making other provision in lieu of church
rates as its title implied, it would, if carried, interpose a
barrier to any other provisions being made. The bill
proposed the voluntary contribution principle as a sub-
stitute ; but he contended this would only be shifting
the burden from Dissenters to Churchmen. He should,
therefore, vote against the measure.
Mr. SPOONER reminded the house that the motion
before them was that the debate be adjourned, of which
for various reasons he expressed himself in favour, more
especially, however, because he thought that the house
ought to have the opinion of the Government on the
subject.
Lord EBRINGTON who rose amidst loud cries of
"Divide," hoped the house would allow the further pro-
gress of the bill, and thus afford the members of the Go-
vernment an opportunity of expressing their opinion in
committee.

Some further discussion then ensued, amidst reiterated
cries of " Divide," in which Mr. MowBRAY and Mr. L.
DAVIS took part.
The house divided, when the numbers were—
For the adjournment of the debate... 118
Against
Majority 57
The amendment was then put from the chair, upon
which

Mr. L. DAVIS made some observations, amidst loud
cries of " Divide," and " Oh, oh," in opposition to the
bill. His remarks, however, owing to the interruption,
were quite inaudible in the gallery. Although the hon.
member disclaimed any intention of speaking against
time, a quarter to six o'clock arrived whilst he was
speaking, and the subject, by the standing orders of the
house, dropped amidst loud cries of " Oh, oh."
Sir W. CLAY afterwards said that, under the cir-
cumstances, he should renew the discussion of the bill,
however late, to-morrow evening.
Some other business on th e paper having been dis
posed of, the house adjourned shortly before six o'clock.