The National Register.
London, England, 1817-05-19 00:00:00

MAY 19.

imagined we lived in the days of bloody Mary, and that it
was intended to revive the disgraceful beelll 4 Of litsO, and
to bow down the Catholics to the ground. He thought the
Catholics bad come forward with a sobstantialguaranare, -
On the subject of the Veto. it was well known how much
they disapprov ed of it, and he, as a Member of Parliament,
vlion:d also nut approve it ; for the business of the Catholic
Eeclesiastical Establishment would be left in Ireland to the
11111magemcut of it second or third Clerk in the Castle Vara of
Dublin. ‘t ill, respect to the pay went of their Clergy, he
conceived no alteration ought to be made therein, nor did
the Clergy desire any stipend beyond what they receive flout
their own dot k. it the House would agree to the Commit-
tee, it might be asked what measure he had to propose. To
that question he would reply, a direct emancipation,restor-
ing to them the rtijovineut of all those rights possessed by
their Protestant brethren in the Civil Establishment, except
those appertaining to the (Ares in the Established Church.
The Itishop of LAS DA FE would vote against the motion ef
the noble Earl, because Ito considered the Catholics had now
complete litigious toleration. The House could not ftcl
much confidel.ce in the attachment of the Bishops to a Pio-
testing King, when they saw the oath of allegiance to the
Pope, which they took at (brit consecration. They 'were
now called upon to break down these securilies against fo-
reign influence, which the wisdom of their ancestors had es-
tablished, and which, if once broken down, the wisdom of
after ages might not he able to restore.
The Bishop of NIIRWICH said, that this exclusion was the
most severe, and the longist persecution that had ever been,
exhibited against men, who had at ail times given proofs of
their allegiance to a Government who la.td unjostly refused
their claims.

The Bishop of noloirty said, that Mr. Locke had laid a com-
plete exemption against the Catholics heiiny admitted to a
share in a Protestant Government. He could prove, 11'0111 the
written opinions of Catholics themselves, that as to allegiance
and domestic tolerati in their determioations were as unstable
as the sands of the desert. How were the Catholic Bishops
to take a strong oath of allegiance as mentioned by the Noble
Earl, echo presented these Pettions, when they vivre hound
to consider their pastor's instructions as the words of God.—
Shier, the accession of the House of Hanover to the r
Throne, every Sovereign had pledged himself to maintain the
Protestant asendency in Church and State. He trusted the
House would refuse guiug into this Committee on constitutional
grounds,
The Earl of Hxonowny denied that a mere difference of
religious °Mohn should disqualify any loan from a share in
any Government ; nor would he admit that the allegiance of
any man who belonged to the Established Church of the State
was more smite than that 411 A man a hose religious principles
required him to acknowledge a foreign head of the Church
to which he belonged. Why should they allow Catholics to
spend their yoath and their blood in the army, mid yet deny
to them promotion, after they had proved their allegiance at
the hazard of their lives? He saw no reason why they siniald
not go into the Committee on the Claims Or the Catholic-.
although all the good anticipated by then from acceding their
claims might not he realized.
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Th. Bail of lA% ER I'oo4, said he Sli I II: ffered from his No.
ble Friend. 'Phis motion Was not brought forward to reform
any partial injury or anomaly in our laws, but to place the
privileges of Catholics on the sans« footing as Protestant..
He wits war ranted it. this view of the questiou, because when
the clause in a Hill introduced for the purpose *fallowing Ca.
fluidics to tat in Parliament was rejected, on the motion of a
high authority in another House, those who brought in the
Bill considered that as a defeat of the whole measure, and
would not accept of any privileges to Catholics in the army,
or at the bar. As to the securities of Veto, zi:c. ha conid
pia no frost in them; at th,t saute time, lie had no doubt of
the Catholics as to their individual respectability • but it was
the influence their Bishops were under, from the S'ee of tome,
which he dreaded. Lauking at this measure as one tall of
danger to the Constitution, as established in Church and
State, he must oppose it.
The Earl of Dmismgy supported the motion.
Lord GRENVILLE could not consider the question as one
of theological discussion, but one of policy, wed befitting the
consideration of Statesmen and Legislators. • In legislating,
the Home ought to look at the situation of the conntry —the
temper of the people—and then who could see any room to
doubt of the policy of agreeing, to the :notion ? If by nice and
subtle arguments, some danger might possibly be pointed
out, would the House shot its eyes to a question involving in
it. refusal danger, when for the last 16 years so many practi.
cable inconveniences ;tad been proved to exist? let they
were told the claims ought to be resisted, because they appre-
(tended the Protestant Establishment might be endanger...l.
—lie was prepared to say, that nothing could tend more to
strengthen that Establishment, than to admit to a participa.
tion of ei% il right between four and five millions of the inha-
bitant/40f the realm. This was the time, if ever there was a
time, to convince Ire! mail that her past conduct %vas respect-
ed, and that the people were recognized as united by nature
and sentiment also.

EllI B 11111UHST contended that it was impossible to act
with the Catholics as with other Dissenters, and that it was
impolitic to admit them (the Union not having recognized
them, as the Scotch Union did the Presbyterians, as the Esta-
blished Church of the kingdom) to participate in the civil and
other high offices in the See. He did not believe that having
granted all that the Catholics desired they would then be satis-
fied, for they wonld demand the establiAinent of their
chit ten.

Earl GREY said, he was sorry to hear it stated, not only by
a Noble Lord at the head of the government, but also by a
Reverend Prelate, that to admit the Catholics to a partieipa.
Sion of their rights, would be to endanger the Protestant Es-
tablishment.

The Lunn CHANCELLOR sail, it would be impossible this
motion could be grained vithout a total repeal of the Test
Laws. The pi incipal objection he had to the granting those
claims e as, that it tended t;) destroy the King's supremacy
in church Riti state. lie would tripe his vote against the SOO..
lioll, because, before it could be acceded to, the COSIAHR•
Iron must be re-modelled.

The Reuse dkoird—Contents, 90—Nou•conteuts, 112—
Majority, s:Z.—Adjourned to Monday.

HOUSE OF COMNIONS.

MOND %I' Mil 12.

The Game Preservation Big was read a Odic) time snit
pas,cii; HIM a elapse it fur imuisbuig persons
dustro)ing Game by night.

Al. MY ESTIMATI A.
Lord PALMERSTON Lila, that in rising to move these l'
mates, lie air ids d them into font. elasen ; the land tin ecs
charges for volunteers and ).eoaraury the trourb pditl l,y