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in some consideration. it might be is .11 .0 sn es. tia.ist;•
other affairs to the cnenizance of the. 110/1.11.1* Cootroill:
but he did not know nhether the ',..ast hall; ..Otup ttty ‘41,4..1
he disposed. to pay a IlliniKter fete nntuueiu, caber idtat. .
lilt it OWII. 'rite Holm: Department were fully employed without
any additional business; they had under their cotnrotil the
external military force, the police, and the govermiivitt or
Ireland ; awl if to these ditties was to be added the sui.erin-
tentlenre of the colonies' lie nos afraid the home btedneslk might
be neglected; nor did. he imagine that the saving of 0 or
70001. at most (for that Wat 4 the extent of the 94% itig) would
be ;t stilliciont inditeement to the House waffler to the Atlort ss.
. .

Mr. C• WVNNE considered the question as a must 110110 Mat
one. it hen he came into the odit e or. Under Secretary of
State, the business of the militia and volunteers was entrusted
to one Secretary, and the police and got ernment of Ireland to
the other. Since then the liminess had greatly decreased, es-
pecially with respect to aliens ; therefore the business generally
vas not ?.I/ heavy as the lion. Gentleman had stated, In every
point of view the assertion in that respaet failed. lint the
colonies, it was alledged, was a material ingredient. If that
argument had beam applied against uniting the colonies. with
the war business, then a stdfieient groom' would have existed
for refusing to unite that service with the business of the war
department. Tint no such argument had been adduced. With
respect to the rebellion.of the India Company, which the Hon.
Gentleman was afraid of, did the Hon. Gentleman forget some
few years Ago that Lord Melville tilled the three offices at the
same time, of Secretary of State, Treasurer of the Navy, and
President of the Board of Commit On that tocastun, he had
never heard that the India Company had expressed any anger,
or remonstrated on the sobject—! liar, hear.)—in whatever
way he looked at the suirieet, he thought the alteration pro-
posed by his Hon. Friend, was highly beneficial to the pit bite,
both in point of economy, and the public being well served.
for the pnblie were never so well served as Alien their servants
were fully. employed.. . _ .

Mr. H. ADDINGTON wished to set the Right Hon. Gentleman
right as to.wie point respecting the colonies: during the Ame-
rican war, there was a third Secretary of state. With respect
to the militia, when the new ballot for ettiopteating that species
of force was out, the business of the Secretary would be
greatly increased.. In respect to tOi• Department,
though he admitteNt was decreased, still, in coneequence of
the dismissal of Mr. Rees es, who matiaLted the alien business,
the labour fell on him (Mr. A.) Since the year 1806, the bu-
siness generally of the office had increased one-third in all the
various departments connected with the Government.
Mr. MARRYATT considered the reduction of the Colottiol
Department as impossible under the present circumstances,
and therefore coultPnot vote for the motion.

Sir J. NEWPORT supported the motion of his I Ton-Friend,
COIIVOICNI that the State-office miLdit be subdivided, as pro-
posed by hisifight Hnn. Friend ; because it had been proved
that the Board of Contioul had no increased labours, and the
Horne Department's labours were greatly diminished. He
wished to know bow business was conducted diming tile absence
of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) on the Continent.

Mr. B. HMI NU HST opposed the motion, on the grounds stated
by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goo!bourn). With respell to
the maimer in which the business of the Foreigmoffice was con-
ducted Is Inle the Noble Lord was on the Continent, it niest be
observed that the business was of necessity thrown into the
state of a tbreign power, consequently the business was trans-
acted in the capital of the Potentate where the Allied Sove-
reigns were assembled, and the Noble Lord transmittod his
transactions home to his colleagutvs.
Mr. Sstyltf cootendcd, that. the office which the present
motion sought to abolis4 had born abolished b' Mr. Burke's
bill of 1782. He was quite at a loss how to think this office
necessary, when there were no volunteers or yeomoury to he
attended to. Those who at this period recommended expense
in this or any other demutnient of Government, were neither
holiest counsellors of the crown, nur friends to the people.
Mr. B %,HLE4, after complimenting Mr. Tierney on the way
which he had brought this business forwurd; said, it was witn
pain. that he was obliged to state, that, in his opinion ; this
office was necessary for the public service.—( Hear, helm).—
His wish.was to keep lip efficient offices, and those only. But,
on the same grounds,.the House should lay its fingers on all
offices that were inefficient and useless. Such were the two
Cale... Justices in Eyre
• Mr. Posistesev could not help regretting, that that Hon.
Gentleman wrothd never vote for any measure of economy,
except he brought it forward himself.. At present we had
nothing to fear from abroad; neither had we so many cols/Wes
or so much business to do for them, us when the States of Arne.
rica belonged to this country ; but the difficulties of the country
had hicreased.; it -t he in the Home liepartment. The
superintemlance of the Cape of Good Hope, the Mauritius, and
Ceylon, might be turned over hi the Board of Controul, which
had already the management of the affisirs of Hindustan. The
office of President of the Board of Controul being vacant, he
was sure that no gentleman. would refuse that appointment be-
cause the management of these three colonies was superadded
to the duties of that office. At no time should a sum of 12,40001.
-a year. be an object of small consideration to the House; and
especially at the present time, he thought that a SUM of 12,0001.
would tie considered as uo small saving to the country.
Lord CA•ILEREACIf objected to the transferring of the
business of three colonies to the Board of Contraul. They
might as well be referred to the President of the Conned, or
the Lord Privy Seal, who were thought to have little to do in
'their offices. It appeared that a third Secretary of State had
existed from 1768 to 17b2. But now it was said tbot we
wantedrm such office. Surely no one would say that the busi-
ness of the colonies bad not doubled !ince 1782. When any
man consirtesed the extent of the superintendance at the
secretary of State over the new colomes, he would not say
that this office was useless.

' Mr. Hose spoke tgainst the motiaa„
Mr. TI.ERNEV said, this was, to all intents and parposes,
according to Mr. Iturke's Act, a new office, and could not be
held by any one without his vacating his seat in that House:
although the Noble Lord held that idtice at the time of the
Walcheren Expedition, and previous work he made of tliat,
(A btu ;M.). -The. email:malice of this office would saddle the
country with an expenee of at least I 4,otittl. a year. Let
there lie a Committee to examine his piopi.sition. Let Loral
Sidnimith, and all those he examilicilos ho had held this othee;
and if a. ease were not made out that this office eminl be exe-
cuted by Ike two Secretaries of State, as 1111(40'1)re, lie would
.give up his proposition altogether. If the House did not
make the Noble Lord.attentl to the duties of econoiny,ane. her
lie nor any ot. Majesty's ajesty's 11binisti rs %instil adopt me .1A s.
it
I eduction in ex p,t nee, as necessary In rt lies e the pot. from
the toughens they had so pato:tidy borne durinu.the coarse of
a long war.
Ali. Ilia nuns: thought the coutinuance of a third Secretary
tit...hale necessary.
The If 'use then 'livid( d—F-r the motion ino—Alikinkt it
In—Atquilty b 2.— Atijuttrue'lat ilait:paA l we.vt: u clock.

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APRIL 7

!h,.mn'.nr•c's Pet.ticwil .aid thy Mt. [Telma intercourse
'it'll. wet e ie.a.l a Card.(iliac afift p.med ; as•raral:.o the Ex.
••i+. ILI%

Lord N. GENT p-c4ented a petition from the town of Ayles-
iitiry. praying the a;,olition of sinecure plants, and :he airy-
lion of economy. rie N.ible 1,9111 au: d, the rejection of rho
Vroporty thrown 114 11.14/11 the que.tion ,•t*
‘s eight millions of receianc wt re rut tot, it remained for us
.o discover, not how to .slipply those ci,ht millions, but how to
save them. He should• not n.,w e•;.Arge on the distress of the
.icricultursl and commercial in•crests ; be should leave the pe-
tition to speak fur itself: hot there was one imiut in the peti-
tion to which he mast refer, because it cancosied the very
existence of mtg. constitution. The hml partiritlar-
;y objected to the destinotion of that Fort of our tinny which
was termed the army of oceup ition. They deemed it silicon-
•tinitimmi that such a force should be in pay and under th. in-
fluence of the French Ki..e—re.i.ly, perh .ps, to iii%•ilic cur
own shores in l'uor-titul•twenq hours. and certainly liable to MI.
Lillie notions hostile to the coil,' itutioit of this country.
Lord li CAVE/4nm, bole his testimony to those iping the.
sentiments not only of the people of Aylesbury, nut a r.reat
part of the surrounding population ; they were also his senti-
ments—and he herxed hate to give notice, that he should,
after the recess, submit a motion to the H nise upon the Public
Expenditure, and the existence of a lane- Army, voids war in
direct opposition to the principles of the constitution of this
country, and subversive of our liberties.
_IN'17:1111UPTION RYTHE 'MILITARY.

Lord MILTON said, that thmgh our soldiers might acmdre
improper notions in the air of France, he was not one of those
who thought that the spirit of liberty was extinct in this mm..
.try; but if it were not extinct, it was now more than ever the
duty of everyone to watch with jealousy against any encroach-
ments on that liberty. He- feared the Home might think it
trifling that be !Wind mention accidents which had occurred to
tumult': but lie thought it r•gltf to eto 1111 l 'inmate to the House a
circumstance in which he had been this day concerned. Me
was going about in an open carriage, and had occasion to pass
by the corner of one of those streets where guards were statimied
in the novel manner that had lately been adm red. He was pre-
vented from proceeding on h., way liv sa soltlieroationcil in the
street: he then ca.ed the soldier h's name, and by what right,
or under what enthral its, he was stopped on the highway ? The
soldier refused to tell his name, and on his (Lord Nlilton's) at-
tempting to proceed, struck his horse, ad•ii•aK, that it he at-
tempted to pms, ist would strike him too. -'flue soldier struck
the horse with a sword, and Net when, so fir frond there bi ing
any crowd, there were not tee eat riages nettle while length of
Piccadilly. This was pte•erying the peace! The peace was to
be preserved by striking the horses, and even the persons of
people who were quietly proceeding iu rho discharge of their
lima! occupations. He would not say that hbeety was yet ex-
tinct , but he thought these facts worthy the attention of the
House, because such a system was Zrowiug an, of accustoming
the people to see soldiers employed, when th^civil pawer would
be quite sufficient fur the pre.ervation of peace. He was the
last who w ished to see riot or dist aVlsauce ; hut he was certain,
that on ordinary occt‘sions, the constables were quite sufficient
for their urevention

LortiCssrt.cnEsnn and the Cauincemmitof the EXCPECitER
enforced the necessity and convenience of having the aid of
the military on those occasions, (meaning the Drawing Room
at Buckingham House) w hich they said was no new spits.;
but they admitted that ifan unnecessary exercise of restriction
arose, it ought to be remedied ; w hick, of course, would he dime,
without the intervention ofa formal proceeding in that House.
Mr. Poasosuv ridiculed the plea uf.Joirsenience, or of ne-
cessity, in this mode of employilig a Military force.
Mr. Itlytoic wished to ;mak whether after the saldier made
his threatsword in hand, he would he justified in putting lord
Milton to death, if he had persisted in proceeding?(icon)
I low would this matter stand in a Court of Law? Ought the
House to pass over un affair of this sort? He saw that a great
breach of privilege bud been committed against a Atember of
the House.

Mr. BROUGH sm and Mr. BENNirr pointed nut tint the em-
ployment of military in such cases was 'pule of modern growth,
duties of this kind has ing been performed by Peace Othee's
early in the present ri
M.r. BR 46GL B Mgt itsT said, all inconvenieneies should be
enimieed into and remedied.—After a long conversation, Lord
N'ezent snored for a copy of the instructions under which the
life-Guards acted yesterduy.in Westminster. A division took
place uu Lord Nugtnt's tnutbout—Noes, 48; Ayes, 31. Alityo..
rite 17.

The Report of the Committee ()tithe Brighton New Road'
Bill, was brought up. On the motion for the second reading
of the aineudimputs, Mr. Ilimme Si MAIER objected to this Bill
altogether. Ile considet.. d that the present road was quite
sufficient for the politic purposes, and thought the projected
new mid would be a mere idle wave of money. In this ti el.
ing, he moved that the amendments should be read this day
7.. ix months.

Sir JAMF:S GRA If Ulf spoke in favour of the dill ; and, after,
a few observations from Mr. THORNTON, the original question
was tarried without x dh isiun ; the anwildnients wVIC agreed,
to; and the Bill was ordered to be engre.ssed,
Sir JOHN NEwnoirr, idler adverting to the thin attendance
of Members, postponed his motion on the State of, Iceland to
the Malt inst. A long conversation arose on this postponement,
`hi the rout se of which the paramount importance of the suit-
jeer, and the necessity for a full attendance during its d us-
%ion, WWI generally admitted. It was ordered that the liouse
be called over on the occasion.
THE M tLT TAX.

The House went into a t!ommittee on the Malt Tavrand 1110
CUANGELLoR Of the F. Uttalt.rat prokkusCti a Resolution that
2s. per bushel dniy should be taken oil every bushel of Malt
brewed after the :Ali of July neat.
In answer to a question from Mr. Caren, the Right Hon.
Gentleman said, it was. intended to remit the duty on such.
Malt as should be brewed into fuer between this stud the sth
of April.
Mr. Cunwzs said, he andiersteoil that the drewleack to be
allowed to brewers would take a sum of 700,0001. out of the
public rev without relieving the barley gem% ye. lie
thought the brewers charged. too high It pike for their com-
modity already.
Sir M. Ittimev thought the brewers ought to lower the prier
of their porter one penny per Twat.
Mr. 1310LND saii4 it should be recollected,. that thrshrewers-
hail paid r war duty of 16s. upon every quarter of Malt the
had brewed. They ought, tLei dime, In justice, to be allowed
sonictisiu.4 fur the stuck iu hand. lie im-lerstuiil it was tie in-
tention of the brewers 'slower the porter as soon as the duties
,ceased.

vI.ANCEI.I,OII Of the Foiciteuten said, the )I(.mber for
;ertfartlsture (Air. Brand), was l.crle.•etly riehr, that as far as
ic.ated to.the stuck in hand the repeal of the 3lalt Tax would.

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be intageons to the brewer, and won d he .oileantazyeti•
to itie pulino t bur it should be recollected, if they lost now,
they eri,t base gained At other times.
Mr. Ctiscws.:l Lad eaten:an:4 tire amount of difference the
repeal would make to Ihr limner at farillinz‘ per pet ;
If So, they ought tlierefore to reduce the price of porter that
stun.
Mr. W. lOasi TIT much doubted the correctness of this caleu-
hviois; he thonght it did not sus oat to any such SIMI, and he
thinitht the expectation of suck a reduction should nut be laid
out to the piddle.
'Elie Resolution was then agreed to.
'fl. CHANCELLOR of the EXCID:Qt:I4II then proposed a Re.
solution for allowisig a drawback of I#s. upon every three
barrels of porter brewed between the Nth of April and the
sth of July neat.—Toes Resointion, after bottle utoservations
from Mr. Curweis and M. Brand, was agreed to, and the
report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr. Cviewcis wished to know if the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer hail formed any plan for relieving small farmers,
renting, not more than Till. a year, front the saddle-horse ihity.
The repeal of the Income-Tax only relieved this Clits4 Of per-
son, from the payment of 7s. whilst fur his horse lie paid 21, 7s.
The CHANcELLoII td the Exctuttern said be hoped to have
4t prqposition on this subject to submit to the Rouse oft Mutt
day.--Adjourned.