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Dr. La*hiogtoa.
Is what 'Ursula' of life are you ? I am Sir William
Ge •+lrt.

liu* Tong have you heels in that ? Nine years.
What situatiise were you iss before? This is say first situa-
tion as a servant.

le what situation were you berme ? 1 was in the navy.
In what situation were you in the wavy ! That of a Mid-
shipman.
1/iii you attend Sir Wm. Gell in the latter end of the year
1814 at Naples? I did.
Did you sire in the house of her Majesty, then Princess of
Wales ! 1 did.

Du you r, memb• r Bcrganoi turning into the service of the
Princrs.! I Jo.

ha what rapacity was he engaged As courier.
Dual his coming 1111 u the service of the Panaceas as courier
excite any jealuuey I sever heard of soy.
Was awe soy thing mad ab 'tat it among the servants of
her Itunal Ilughtuess )--
The Solocitur-General objected to the quest'
Dr. Loviousig,on said, that he would not press it.

ih• ow any jealou.y whotrwable among the servisits
afire his (lit-opines) cumin): IlliU the bervis e as coal 1
Dow saw any.
. . _ . .

Dis you remember the first night that you arrived at Na-
ples? Yes.
1)0 you recollect where Bergnini slept that night ? I do.
Where was st ? Is ■ •mall rumor user the Steward's rums.
Who was the Steward ? :inward.
Dii he (lEtergami) slop 111 the same room the second
night ? He slid out.
Do you home the moms why his room was changed It
was browse the room was so low that he could nut stand
upright in it.
Du pin remember the room to which he removed ' I sl.s.
lAt you remember she room iii which her Royal !Ileum..
stew ? I do. . .

How twat was it to the room About 60 feet.

Were there any other memo hetwrea the chamber of Ben.
gust and lhot of her !Loyal iligherws? There were shire
rooms mutt a passage between.
Can pHs till we occupied those thief' room. t Wr.
AN/1111 occupied she lint, theruu)olus the aerosol, and Dr.
Holland the thud.

Du I understand you rightly that those theta rooms Wee
seised briar. n the chambers of Bergann and her Royal
'gloom ? Yes.
Did any of t ;lose three rooms open into the ',Amaze ? Yes
Du you et member being at ant 'shed bill at Napks ? I du
Was that a ball given by the Princess ? Yes.
Do you recollict ii.e strvauts appearing at that ball in
any particular dims Pro, I du slut.
Did you yourself wait um tbnt occasion ? I did.
Dud you travel an the suite of her Royal Highness on her
gang to Naples? 1 did.
Do you remember young Austisi un the journey? I du.
Can you say relieve Austin usually ode pt Wore your
arrival at Naples? hi a ruusu by himself wh. n there was
room, when there was nut, hr slept so the room of her Riad
II iglisse.s.
Do you know Majoechi ? I do.
Disl you emr see Lmsl at Rnliinclli ? I did.
Did you emr hear him nieutiuu the name of one Caron
(Lowed.*? I'. s.
What did you hear him say
The Atiumitylietural ohj.tted to any evidence of roomer-
salmi which took Islas( between .llajor chi snail Outwear, be-
cause 31.sjocibt'ss rvidruce had out proved thm there had
Is en any suell et....erussoist. name he could allow the
sse.tiots, he called on the other sole to 'hew that share was
real. ucr of any su.lt couvettlatiuu in tile lestainon, of
3lay.‘tchi.
'1 he Solicitor General said, that before his Learned Friend
could he *Austral to tantrum the *nurse with respect to a
collateral issue, with a stew to contradictiog the evidence. of
.14,jocetn, he ought to pond out the evisbuct su to be coo-
Dr. Loshiogiois trusted that he should he able perfectly to
satisfy their Lordships that she question ought a. be pat.
It was cosatemled that soy inquiry as to 31speelii's tows
course was a collateral question with respect to the issue of
the wain procceding, and thst mu criticiser could be "(Tem' of

FArl Grey, if be understood the AZtornry•Grneral's argot-
meat rightly, he einiceived that the Carnisael fur the Queen
was asawering that rdijeclios in the mast direct imasmer, sett
in that event the Learned Cossmel had rot excavated his
limits in reply.
Lord Rrdasdals eisstessled, that there 'might to bras as-
anewsms that wridewer tinweirt he swldueed.
The Lord Characellor hoped foe their Lordships ruse.
&wee in the sincerity of she opining which he was shunt to
Rive. But he oust say that it was the Arst time he had ever
heard it proposed to prove by a third party what hail passed
is a converse's''r between a former *hawse and soother per.
sow, that tosser witness slot baying shewn that there was
any such conversation at all.
The Earl of Lards edale referred their Lordships to several
pages in the minutes, in which Majorebi boil bees examined
with resp►ct to big intercourse? with Sarum Oloptells.
Lord Erskine suggested that the Counsel at the bar should
refer to the pages of the evideure.
After • few words from the Earl of Dasilerdale and Lord
Erskine, Counsel were again ordered in be called in.
Dr. Lusbui,gton *dimmed to she bar and said, that when
their Lordships were pleated to slop the args•aesta be was
about to allot, that he tierce could have conceived that Ike
declaration of Msjocchi made to the witness was evidence
of what the Baron Onspterla bad said or dose. Eat
to 'hew that the conduct of Ompteda was not collateral,
bet a direct point in issue, lie was about to state what in a
subsequent stage of she proceeding they 'sight And it n►-
cessary to prove, that sorb plots did exist, which would ix•
phi. the couiluct of her lloyal Ilighne-s, which had laid
her open to imputations, Irons being always
by one person, but tiny woookl skew the necessity of her
hiving one shoat her upon whose fidelity she could depend.
He contend. al that this was evidence, because Majoechi hail
denied the existence of that plot altogether, and therefore
that part of his evidence was open to coatradirtion frogs
their side. Ile was asked, " Did you see a person named
Ompieda and answered, "I do not recollect the same."
Was it not therefore material to chew that the Baron had bees
the subject of hie repeated con tions It was of the
►ighest importers-, to the credit 44 she sitars' Majocebi,
that that testimony .Mold be lissemeil to. He was also
asked, " Had any thing happened is she Princess's family
particular I do not remenittei."" Amy locksmith ern.
played or ennuoioard?" " Ido toot remember."—" Did he
recollect any Mug about false keys ?" That Ido not re-
usember."—. Was there any mention in the family of sorb
circumstances?" " That I do sot remember."—" Was
there any shine about a quarrel?" " There was something
about a quarrel, hut be did soot remember what it was," mid
then followed a lost/ series of Now sal rieorilot. He appre-
hended that n was open to him to chew she contradiction
is that witseses testimony without any euutravratloe of
the roles of rent-nee. The existrsee of the plot tended to
explain and juodify she conduct of her Majesty. The wit-
ness denied all knowledge of that plot. He contended that
the testimony nos offered did away wish that part of the
evidence, and left the care reel's* is co►id. He did not
contend that he should establish any facts declared by Ma.
jorchi. All dont hr wished was 'it rem••ve she impression of
his former prijory. It might be said looked, that Ist was
labouroig in a work of supererugatius In attempting to dr.
tract fa, in that credit which had long craw al to exist.
Mr. Br _hien said, that after the able argunieuts of his
Learned Friend, little was left fur him to add, but he would
merely r. mi. d the House of the paupers of their defence:
they did nut contend that any thing regasdiug thapieda was
in the toil. i•sur—

Tb. Lmd Chaise. Hoe lore interrupted the Leeched Coils-
sel sod viol, that it great dead of issue might bass hers sawed
if the Couribel had slated she point lo which his question
lendsd. Ile mild base asked as to the varlet I/sisies
110.13U1 acd OMptrifie, to which the wituese is his exami-
nation in chief bid sleclsrad his knowledge, bill the tare, of
which be did nut neut.-tither.

Mr. Brougham,aid, that there was a still more imporlaut
answer of ihe wino Sli a little Girlher on, for he there raid
that he did not know. If 'herr/use he could *hew that he
must hay. known, lie apprrloudi•d that it was quite op.•■ fir
him to do w. He was p•rfrctly aware that he should he
stopped in the Nimmons, for wheorvir the smite of Ompteila
was melitiotod, an obj•ction austautl) came'fiusts the other
side.

The Attorney General wished that hi■ learned Friend
had given an inmanre. Hr was not await. that any übjec.
time bad lien made, when the name of the Banns Onipseda
he. si nientiom d. Ile btlwaed it was a mere amertion
of his Learned Fri. nil ; bat if such obi, Ilion bad bees taken,
he doubled nut it had been made properly. Ile ought to oppose
the manner in whit h his Learned F. iend Dr. Lushingsms
had assumed that the coedit of the witness Majoechi was Jr.
littorl. Such decision was premainie at present, even by
lb. it Lordship.. who were the ultimate anal roper hedges.
He never yet beard that a quest iou could he pat to a witness
affecting the credit of • former witness, widen that Cur-
tner witness bail been .:'mined to that precise point.
Ile ought to here been asked if he had lob) any converse.
than with Sir AV. GelFs valet sip.. the subject. Is this he
was confirmed by the sanction of the ►ighest judicial authu•
rity iu that 114,41. e. It was an assumption on the part of his
Learned Irri..utl, that there ►ad been a plot. Ile did not
impale the slander and calumny to his Learned Friend, bat
from what lir knee of the ease, be believed that they were
slanders and caluninin Oil the memory of Hann Onspieds,
which it was highly improm r should go forth to the public.
Mr. Brougham was about to address the Mime, whets the
Aiturni y•Genetal ebjected that he had aheady bees heard.
This was denied by Nit. Brungliam.
The Lord Chancellor said, that undoubtedly the Attorney.
G I was correct in his stab meat of the judicial opinion,
but it was right fir him also w state that hire were tippets.
tug asthurities. The question before the Mosaic, appeared to
Inas to be this—Whither • witness, A. 8., leaving mend that
he bad braid of • quarrel, but dol out !taut, the cause of
that quarrel, and nut Laving hems asked if he had out 116111:e
a dreisrsliun to C. D. respeting it; the queat titter was,
whethe► C I). coald lie asked respecting ,•tlell
MS /AIWA, ilsotillit that it would he militantly desiiabla
tom the quemion should be submit', el to the Judges, and
after they had advised, the Meow would be In Her able to
deci•le the quest .
Lord Fr.katte ague. d with his Noble Friend nn the ernes
bench that It was the privilege sat the Cona.rl at the bar 1.2
read the embrace front the minister, mid comment th. revel.
The uuly qur•tiuu their Lurtl.lops were to look ter was lu see
what Stajoccifi had raid ; the 11111111 W/ w. re b fore them and
would at,, w that. The Counsel eadertake to shs w that what
Majocchi said rusibl nut be trite ; that be thought they were
entitled to slier, but beyond that line he did nut think they
ought 50 pass.
Mr, Brougham raid, Hail past all 4lnuld nothing that Ma.
jurcht had *Awl to this wituraa could lie received as pencil of
any thing that Berns O..'pteda dW. But Majoe chi having
suss creel twice that hr slid nut remember, anal agate that he
did kricw • particular eirennishance--if by his culmination
with title artiness he (451141 dsaw that be hail sewaratkerail all
liar partscutica cuuurtittl nttb that circunuaJuke walla settle

tint acturaey 10 give a very minute sad detailed relates. of
them, and therefore that he must have know. them, he should
lhavehy prove the fair hood of his asseettoo, that he dot Dot
!maw it. This was a most important Isaiah He wtmlil
that wiwn Majoechi had swore twice over that be t'i.l
net rinewanher, and that he slid not know the pada slays
a certain fact. if be retold Aim dint he was She winos, whole-
lallisd the particulars of that fact to this willies., it was wine
Mampeieat to him so to rho His Loirnest Friend. ....gm
ether Diet admitted that if Mnjoecht had been asked if ,•••
had said so amides, or mask any particular Orelaratiora rat
easevereatina so ICithanl ('arriagiaa, thew they :•• •
Querna's C-nten.el) might he allowed to caymans, W.:11 Cy .
elector, as to the particulars of that crinversaison. bat wt.,.
he
wood ask, would they Iv so allawed Why would that
be eviili•nre ? Fur no other purpose in the w.wid but that ~,f
establishing a contradiction to Makstrelte. tritiminiy, an 1
therallire it was that he and his Leagued Fi tends contend-
ed fur the right of potinig the smestion, which went to
enistr.diet the awswets of M•jorchi on the subjs... Rome-
thing had Wen said of what palmed ass a twiner discnasiou 40111
similar point, sod it had het. stated that an upirian of the
Li'ssirt of King's Wesel had derided she rate against theses
(the Queen's Counsel) wow; he did not think the Court of
King's Beath had se ruled ; but even if it were so. their
Lonbliips were not bolted by any such rule ; they bad neer,
and a aeries of precedent. of their own laud dims la it, •
fount of trials which hsdocriored in that H But he awl
his Learned Friends dal not allow that this irestion caw
he ruled against them by she satire, to • qoestion put to th •
Judges in Ibis general form. They wished the goestann to be
propipstd thus, whether Ira witness awrar ognoraoce of p•r
tinder facts, I eanuol show his kwalydge of Ihnse 6rll
from other thermals's...v. For instancy., if, as he has, the
wittiest, Majoechi deviled that he kiww that a certain
person had picked a lock, and I can show lay **lice
eviclettee 11s41 he was pre•eat, and that man it, In I
waves could therefore believe that he did nut all
about it. He hail POI slll.lolltred right so to Ow. Nu. obi.
was their ease, heirvare he bail sworn iemararee of a fa. 1.
which they wished nave to prove b'ne no have before svateyl
all the particulars of, sad that, thelefore.he must have know..
it. Tlov admit that if he had hers asked, whether be bast
ever womb any declaration that he dud kiwis that fact in .
partienlar conversation, and had denied it, then they
Qaera's Counsel) world have a right to examine the person
to whom he had made such dsclaration, as so the fact of ha
having made it. This was arhnittsd by the other aide, an I
the only grouud of this admission was, that it wainkl env.
Indict his testimony ; hut he world for owe 1•••110111
sup-
pine the legal rule wire against him, which, however, hi
did not admit, would their Lord.hips tint coo-oiler iv par-
ticularly hard that he should he shut out from Ihr ..ipor-
fissiiy of establishieg a roittrailietian to illaineclo's
deuce, merely breauge they had omitted to pet a alai anon
i• truss exansinatiou, she.. that omissions was eauwd
their iga •rance of the eircittnitawee oat china the 9 testing
Mast have been founded, and when that ignorance had re•
salted front their want of knowledge of the um against
them, anal of the witness... by whom HMI awe was is ha
supported !
The Attorsey-Ceseral said, that be altanald *sly be tres-
passing oat their Lordships' lime if he replied at roy levet
to what hail keen so folly stated by his Uremia Froods
the other side. Ile had already answered it, sad L. t ',ouch t
their Lawdships would not be better satisfied if I,,was s
to repeat it. But to tome to the eeidener, the witness
had been asked, if, while he was in the Louse, a rpm., I
had out takes place betwer• a (Tashi Barton an I
Havroani• to which he answered, that he had In-toil of A
irareel, blot Slat he did nut kausr Ilan caner. Now they ad,
they Can prove that he did know it, cud they pr..p.,e I .
prove Isis knowledge by a conversance ahich he load with
this witness some years ago. Cut he said that they cooly! no.,
in fairness to the gills. as, sad by tile rule of law, be permitted
Inprove test 4.1.111,C1146011, ha cause they had not at tba
time of his evirniiistom called sorb cooversation to his
mind. He was enacts sin prised that the rap 'Apace and the
acistenes. of diacennatent by which his learned Friend was
so particularly dystisigulsh..l, should Lave allowed him to
argue as be hid done. tie had stated Hid if a patty being
present al a fact, denied all knowledge of such fiefs he
should be allowed to prove his knowledge by 'hewing loin to
have been present ; he ail d this, hut how could Ilia
Learned Friend say that thus was their use at pry sr at ;
here they stood not upon a fact, bet epos. the substance of a
conversation, and he ii died that they had soy right to go
into Ilat conversation, btraisse they had never even asked
the witness whether any such co nun had taken place.
Lord I ...skate sail be certainly war of °pilaws that the
'peanut' could be asked, bCCJIISC it might happen that after
a witness had been examined, • his it, the coarse of cis ex-
ansinatian aleoied the kw...ledge of say thing, cireinnatancea
might be di.covered %loch would prove him to have knowy,
it, the existence of whi b circuniaia•ces might n.. 1 have be a
kaoli■ at the tone of his . 'Lamination. Could it is (hit
ease be contended that the winless also cou'd Its so
eirennotaneew might not to be exinu:ned, b• cause the (*.D.,'
wilily*. hid sot WV'S .pie "holed concerning thy rev
thought ink. rail... Ile did not no an to gay, that upon Shia
pond their Lordships were to stilt by the rule of as .g
might he hod aside by die judge., For
whatever might be dose decision, he should still commas. of
opinion shat the question might be pat. If their lonian,.
wished to avoid the enilarrrissmcut of a poysible flifAlot
from the drei-on of the Learned Ja.lp a, he raw nu as a....
why Majocrlii might not be called again to the bar,
eoufronted with the other witness. This he (Lora
frequently saw i• the course of his practice. A. a rive, he
mind give it as his opiaios, that this evidence might be
received. •

The Lord Chancel:or thought the lost mode would be
to consult the Judges. Their landships, hou over, wield
sot be bound to abide by their de:Makin; they might dis.
se, t (ruin them if they pleased. Ile did nut di sty that the
wituess blajucchi might be catl,d sop 'gait., but the hest
roarer, in his opinion, would be to ascertain "shall u.s the
partite it. the Courts biles% 114 was their Lord..ldp.' plea.
sure, he would the .91 to be put to the Juitgss
in the following :—" Whether, in the Courts kclow,
a wituesa, in the crims i xamismiiea, being 'Aid sloths(
be knew of a dispute Easing talt-to place, said hr had saw
knowledge of it, out being asked at the same time w la.
Ise made, ii conversation, any chslsration of sac% k•srs.
ledge; mud after, iu the chrome, a witness being nikcd as
to whether sorb a d.claratico had been made, to was cue.
sistetit with practice to put lii. question' Sectinsty, tVhe.
they a witness basing cant that he did not reusiostice aer
such dispute, and havisig said nut, it via. moistest omits'
the I,ooClite in the Cum ta below to mak a WIWIn few the
truce, whether be who made stark a &Mil, 411.11,14, it rata.
venation, detail tho.e cireunistauces, the risuller:oo t
which he pots:l.l'4y denied its lit erUl3lllintiltal Oar
EMI tiny said, that lie had certainly much dads. bee and
great vimerstioni for the atsihulity of any opinions of the
1.,1110111i1 Judger, to is Melo he rhould at all times be ready
to pay all ear att. mins, and to allow el.. m their mope
weight. Pot the Clio., here taken rested on grounds ao
morrow, and was oil a unsure sto partly lei howal, eat
should that obj•ctoou be Affirmed by the cr tar is ULU. It, 41
lu %hich be had alluded, he retold not 0 COlll tit wilt hut utt
Mind the allowing of bitch an object iat, *Mils auo ta
csitueuish the %At nee of a fact watch to an inquiry of this
inspurtaut nature ought nut to be lust. Dot he slid nut Love
set that auy uric-natty existed for rot; r.ing to ibis up.
the Judge', that he thought had ho i • evelildrlelt ""iate'l
by she su(eroutas of his Noble and Learned tries.J, and as
the Noble and Learned land ;Cliascelliii) had Intioo:f ad-
nattotd, that 31sjohrbi might be called op and examined, as
to his having held any eustreinaliun of the nature alluded 14
with this at.eras, ho thought be ceriaistly ought to ha now
called up for that purpose, add Om question glow odjecit de
it was Ye all bands admitted, would tie, • lie p• rft.ctly it.
guitar.

Tht Earl at Lircrpot.l sapl, that altLcngh be ag,,,d t►