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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 27, 1855,

stores; of another vessel, to the owner of which 2,000 f.
was paid before she went to sea ; and of the steamer Tele-
graph, which was overladed to such an extent as to drain
eleven instead of nine feet of water, in consequence di
which she was so much injured as to be unable to proceed
on her voyage. These things could not have happened had
the transport service been entrusted to ono man, such es
Captain Milne ; but the formation of a board would afford
no security against their recurrence.
Admiral BERKELEY said that to the statement madb
by the hon. member for Tynemouth (Mr. W. S. Lindsay),
that the vessels employed in the transport service were en-
gaged in serving only 24,000 men—those vessels were err(-
ployed in the service not only of the Englsh, but also of
the French and Turkish armies, so that, instead of having
to serve only 24,000, they had to attend ulion almost
100,000 men. Hon. gentlemen had praised the management
of his colleague, Captain Milne, but had at the same time
endeavoured to point out egregious blunders. He (Admirl
Berkeley) should like to share the praise accorded to the
gallant captain, and would willingly share the responsi-
bility of the blunders he might have committed.
Mr. MUNTZ said that &rout three years ago an officer
was sent to inquire into the administration of the French
army. He inquired and reported, and from that time to
this his report had been lying in the War-office without
any notice having been taken of it.
Mr. F. PEEL did not know that ho could add anything to
the information he had already given on the subject of the
formation of a land-transport, corps. Hitherto the land.
transport service had been undertaken by the Commis.
sariat ; bat as it was found to interfere with the satisfac-
tory discharge of the proper duties of that department, it
had been determined to organise a distinct corps under the
direction of Colonel M`Murcloch, whose duty it should be
to undertake the land transport. It was estimated that
ultimately this corps would number 8,000 men, but at first
of coarse it would not be so strong. He believed that it
was proposed to divide the corps into-divisions correspond-
ing and attached to those of the army—(hear)—and Col.
M'Murdoch had intimated that he should require one na-
tive driver for every three animals, and one Enropean for
every three native drivers, making three natives and one.
European driver for every ten animals. It was intended,
that this transport corps should form a permanent branch
of the army, and it would no doubt, in course of time, un-
dergo many improvements. Hitherto the persons whehad
beeu responsible for the clothing of the troops had been'
the colonels of regiments. They had now, however, ceased
to have any interest in the matter, and henceforward the
clothes would be distributed under the direction of the,
War.office. The exteterdinary clothing supplied to tho
army in tho field had been supplied by the Ordnance,
under orders from the Secretary for War, and would,
be included in the estimates for that department. He
was not aware that there had, been any deficiency
in the supply of medicine to the hospital at Balaklava,
and in relation to the -alleged deficiency in the sup-
ply of quinine, he might state that Dr. Smith -had
informed him that since the army left this country,
he •had .forwarded to the general store at Constan-
tinople, frcim which all the hospitals are supplied, 850 lbs.
of that drug. With reference to the recommendations
which had been made by two honourable members, that
we should learn from the French a better system of army
administration, he might state that there are now sitting
in Paris a commission of three officers of the army, an
artillery and an engineer officer, which was inquiring into
the system adopted in that country. The French Govern-
ment was affording to these officers every facility for be-
coming acquaieted with their. system. Their report might
be expected before long, and its recommendation would
receive the careful attention of the Government.
Mr. E. DENISON said when the army went from this
country to the East it was little contemplated that such
services would be cast upon it as it had since been called
on to perforin. Some thought the army would never go
beyond Malta, and others believed that an intrenched

camp at Constantinople would be all that would be re•

quired ; but no one then dreamed that an expedition to
the Crimea would be undertaken. Ho was happy to see
thates precedent had been set to whichhe wonld invitethe
attention of the house for a moment. He observed that
an officer of high character and standing—Sir John Bur-
goyin2—hed been—he would not say recalled, but—
relieved from the position in which he was placed, and
that just encomiums had been passed upon that distin-
guished officer. He (Mr. E. Denison) hoped that would
go fnrther. In making that remark he wished it to be
understood that he did not indirectly point to the dis-
tinguished officer in command 'of the army. That, he
thought, was a different question, and the position of
that officer must be decided by more important considera-
tions. He would merely say that just in proportion as the
officer in command of the army was advanced in life was
it necessary that the officers below him should be in full
vigour and officienc7. He contended that it• was in the
highest degree desirable that -generals of divisions and
generals of brigade should be men in tho full vigour -and
power of their strength.. (Hear.)
Colonel DUNNE said he considered the fOrmation of a
transport corps end of the most necessary arrangements
connected with an army, but he wanted to know why such
a corps was not organised when the army wont out on the
-present expedition? He believed that the loss of the army
watt chiefly attributable to the state of the transport de-
partment of the commissariat, or rather to the Treasury,
by, which the commissariat was directed. If the transport
department was not at once made perfect, it would be'
wholly, useless to the army. He believed that the general,
officers had not the means of carrying on the war with
proper effect. He believed Sir John Burgoyne to be as
.efficient an officer as any that had been, or could be, sent
to succeed him, and that the country would not gain any-
thing by sending out General Jones to relieve him. He
Contended that the great fault of the expedition was its
being undertaken without proper means. One, among
other things, he should like to know, and that was,
hew many of the officers of the staff had been edu-
cated at the Military College of Saildhurst ? He had like-,
wise to complain of the disproportion of the rewards for
good service given to the officers of the staff as com-
pared with those given to the officers of the liue. He
thought the staff was sufficiently desirable in itself, and
brought officers sufficiently into notice, without giving
them additional opportunities of advancement over the offi-
cers of the line. There was another point to which he
wished to'call attention, and that was tho subject of bar-
racks for the militia regiments in Ireland. At that mo-
ment they were paying in most towns in Ireland for billets
for the militiamen, and frequent quarrels arose between
the militia and the inhabitants from attempts to enforce
these billets; yet in the very towns in which those die-, -
turbances arose there were buildings which could be hired
as barracks, and at a witch cheaper cost than the system of
billeting.

Mr. CIARDINGE said he deemed it fair to state, inas-
much as the Government had been more than once attacked
in reference to the military education of the officers of the;
staff, that at least nine or ten of them had been educated
at Sandhurst, and had there received certificates of merit.!
Mr. J. PHILLIMORE said he wanted to know why, it:
was that the 46th Regiment was with Out wintor clothin
in the Crimea ;' if any person had been punished in conse-
quence of the neglect to provide such clothing ; and if, i
consequence of that neglect, the men of that regimen
perished in the most fearful manner?
Mr. WILLIAMS, in answer to the taunts which had beer
directed out of doors, and in that house, against his hot
friend recently deceased—the member for Montrose—anl
himself, for reducing our armaments, begged to remind tb
house that in 1835 the army and navy numbered 145,84
men, and that in 1852, before there was any sign of a dis
pute, with Russia, the two services had been increase
to 272,000 men, or double the number which the Duke o
Wellington when in. office deemed necessary for the de-
fence of the country. In 1835 the total sum voted fertile
maintenance of the army and navy was 11,667,0001. and in
1852 it was 16,500,0001., being an increase of nearly
5,000,0001. He wished to call the attention of the house
to a case of floggingin the army, which had recently taken
place at-Newcastle'-upon-Tyne, on the person of a private
soldier belonging to the 25th Regiment, *now stationed
there. A paragraph in a Newcastle newspaper stated that
the:prisoner, after being stripped, was tied up to thil
triangles by the arias and legs, and the adjutant stood by'
to count (tch stroke as it fell from the powerful arm of
drummer, selected for his aptitude for beating slow timer*
The narrator went on to say he had expected a bloody
scone, brit the reality far exceeded all that he had heard of
dreamt of human torture. At the fifth stroke of the
lash the flesh of the poor victim rose up in welts a$
thickie his wrist ;. the blood afterwards flowed about the
body ; .and after the fortieth lash had been inflicted, he
was untied-; he then staggered a few paces, fell to th 6
groand, and fainted away. He was afterwards subjeetect
to 104 days' solitary confinement. He (Mr. Williams)
could only say, ifesuoh scenes as those were practised id
the army, the Go;ernment would have to double its bounty
in order to get men to enter it. .
MED trusted the Government would turn their
attention to the reform of the Horse Guards ; and if that
reforin eves accomplished, he believed the country would
not object to even a larger demand than was now asked
for the maintenance of the army.
Mre'OTWAY said there were at least fifty staff appoint-
ments in the Crimea, and his complaint was that there
should be a single one of ,those • officers who had not oh
_ taiaed a certificate at Sandhurst, seeing that that colleg
was established with the view of educating men for. th
staff. The n4lele lord at the head of the Governmen
stated the other night that the calamities of the army were
attributable to the in_ clemency of the-weather and the unr
paralleled difficulty of the service they had to perform:
He (Mr. Otetray) must take exception to that statement,
Ile would take the campaign, for instance, in Transylvanie
in 1848; which was conducted under circumstances very
much more difficult than those" in the Crimea at preeent;
- and in a climate very much more rigorous. It wa
clear to him that the calamities that had befallen ou
. army were in no wise to be attributed to• the
.ell'inat
of the Crhuea, nor to the unparalleled, difficulties wittl
'Which they had hact,to contend, but to the want of
!orsresight of those Who had not supplied them with
1417:wens for enabling them to grapple with those
huts v;ielt. If our soldiers. had been provided with
havehal elothitto., and sufficient' food,
.NV3 should not:
(Reee.)'/Itri,eTulore'the calamities which had befallen them:,
eatiwa
ithiat two privates belonging to the Wthi
other day for in'3al(,tte and Galagher, had been tried tiro
firing at au effigy (4! away with their ammunition in!
sentencee-to 52 days, ime Czar, and that Gibson had been
der.' 114 hail to conallerlt nment, and Gala beta to 162
that that was a needleaely,
severe and an extraordiaarenutznrentuent for an offence of'
that kind, committed theZ es.
very well for the hon..
Colonel NORTH said it was all
relating ptaragraps to
member for Lambeth (Mr. Williams) to
the house, cut from local newspapers,
but ho would ask tLohoinataner
of floggine in the army ;
his own knowledge that then.cruasee
her if he bkneW
to'
which he had called attentionwasatdrup,s (Hear) Advert
, ing tp the observations which h
(Colonel Neourthir the hoe..
member a few nights ago, he
of the had to deny
that the Guards now wore uniforms
colourthatscarcelybricke"
dnet. He (Colonel North) admittedfl than to see the sentriesan
thin could bo more truly pain
those young men
of
the Guards at this moment ; but give
they would soon
time and the advantages of drill, and
emulate the bearing of their gallant
brethren in the Cri-
hood of England
naea--thoeo splendid specimens of the man
whom we were wont to meet in the streets of this metro-
polis. (Hear.) The hon. member had spoken of the pri-
vileges of the Guards in attendance at the Palace. Why, if
the hon. member were at the head of a battalion of sweeps
on duty there, he would receive his dinner. (A laugh.)
The hon. member bad displayed an amount of ignorance
on the subject upon which he had spoken which would dis-
grace the meat ignorant lance corporal in the regiment, and
he would advise him, before he again addressed the house,
to make himself better acquainted with the real facts upon
which he was desirous to enlighten the house.
Colonel SIBTHORP protested against men speaking on
the subject of the army who did not know the muzzle from
the butt end of a musket. (A laugh.) He would not take the
Loh. member for Lambeth in his awkward squad. (A
Japejesl
dfl)tMthES de£endei the Guards rorn tho'nnel
luoen.
tcharges which had been made against thorn by the
. litensber for• Lambeth, and expressed a regret that a
battalion of Guards
recently ordered to the East had been
countermanded, because, *
men having 'l3 all
is consequence of the able
een ordered out in the first instance, there

was not a sufficient number now to make up a good batta-
lion. One of the great privileges of the Guards was to be
always foremost in peril and danger, and he instanced their
arduous services and gallant conduct at Hongomont, and
at the battle of Waterloo, as evidences of the privileges
which the Guards enjoyed in this respect.
Mr. NAPIER thought that some explanation should be
made to the house with respect to the harsh sentence passed
on the two men at Chatham for firing at the effigy of the
Emperor of Russia.

Colonel KNOX expressed his opinion that if ever there
was an offence of which a man could be guilty in his bar-
racks, it was that for which those two raen had been so pro-
perly punished. Would the house for a moment sanction
that any man in the barracks should be allowed to make
away with the ammunition given him for the publie ser-
vice in an indiscriminate fusillade ? He considered that
the men had received a most salutary punishment, and he
hoped it would have the effect of checking such great irre-
gularities in future. (Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. STUART KNOX, deny-
ing the accuracy ofthe statements read by the hon. mem-
ber for Lambeth from a local newspaper, the house went
into committee on the

signally exempt from disease. Many of them were very
comfortable, all of them were in a state of health and
vigour; but the reason was easily explained; they were
all men of independent fortune, who could command beasts
of burden, and they furnished themselves with all those
little requisites that were denied the soldiers. (Hear.)
Another great evil arose from the enormous amount of the
work the soldiers had to perform. The British army un-
dertook to do too much. " They undertook to defend an
extent of lines which their numbers did not justify them
in undertaking. The consequence was, that the soldiers
were a long time in the trenches, their strength was totally
exhausted, and they became unfit for duty. (Hear.)
He had heard instances of good men saying to the sur-
geons, " We are quite well, but we are worn out with fa-
tigue and the want of sleep ; if we go on sentry we shall
fail asleep, but if you put us on the sick list, after a few
hours' rest, we shall return to our duties." He had known
of cases whore the doctor, knowing the men, had acted in
conformity with their request, and in a few hours the icon
returned to their work. (Hear.) He had heard state-
ments, likewise, respecting the want of medicine at Bala-
klava ; and there appeared to be some signal mismanage-
ment in that as in every other department. A medical
man told him, before he left the Crimea, that, late in De-
cember, he went to procure a considerable quantity of
opium, which was a sine qua non in the treatment of the
disease that had scourged the army. But the quantity of
opium in store was so small that he could get it barely in
ounces, and on his return to the camp he found himself in
the disagreeable position of being obliged to tell the sol-
diers that, greatly as he regretted their condition, and
much as he felt for them, it was impossible for him to ob-
tain the medicine which was required for the malady they
were labouring under. (Hear, hear.) There was another
point connected with this subject to which he hoped the
attention of the house would be directed, namely, the
state of the transports that were employed in conveying
the sick between Balaklava and Scutari. (Hear, hear.)
He believed that since he loft the Crimea things had con-
siderably improved; but, when he was there, there
was great room indeed for improvement. (Hear, hear.)
They could hardly picture to themselves anything more
wretched than the condition of the poor men who were sent
to Scutari from Balaklava. They were sometimes wholly
destitute of anything like beds or bedding. (Hear.) He
saw 600 sick and wounded men who were brought down
from the plateau by their generous allies—the French.
(Hear, hear.) It happened to be a wet day, but they were
taken as they were on board the transport which was to
convey them to Scutari. These men had nothing.what-
ever to protect thorn but the groat-coats they had on and
another blanket, and in that condition they were com-
pelled to lie down on the deck. So great, however, was
the change from what they had been enduring in the camp,
through wet and exposure, and want of proper sustenance,
that though they were compelled to take for their bed the
hard deck of the transport, they looked upon it as the
acme of comfort. (Hear, hoar,) That did not last long,
for when a sick man has to lie for some time on a hard

deck ho suffers from it, though for two daiiTile-zniihtai;
it with, impunity. There were 300 men on board, and the
passage to Scutari was a rather quick one. Bat oa their
arrival at the hospital there was no accommodation for the
sick, and ten days elapsed before the greater number of them
were landed. That was the trying period for the men,
and they died off very speedily. They lost during the
time that elapsed between the period they left Battiklava
and the arrival of the vessel at Scutari 11 per cent. out of
the 300; but the greater number of those died during the
time the ship was kept• at Scutari. (Hear, hear.) The
French managed these things better. They were not half
so tender with the Turks as the British authorities were.

(Hear, hear.) When they wanted an hospital they went
and took it— whereas the English entered into a long
correspondence, which took up such a long time that the
whole matter terminated by their losing their chance. He
believed the scheme had been already carried out of estab-
lishing an hospital at Smyrna, but there was another sug-
gestion made by a man who had had great experience in
India, and that was, to send out from this country large
wooden buildings for erection at Sinope, whiela was a.short
distance from Balaklava. By doing that, they could have
their sick and wounded conveyed from Balaklava in a very
short time to a comfortable and quiet hospital. ' Iu the►
event of there being any further engagements it was to be
expected that there would-be a large number of wounded,
and those"men could be conveyed down to this hospital,
and there at once have the necessary operations performed.
Hitherto it had been the staff experience of a surgeon that
secondary operations had scarcely ever been successful.
Those performed ,on the. field were generally successful,
but it. was impossible to perform anything by a secondary
operation, a hen the patient,must be conveyed such a long
distance as from Balaklava to Scutari. In the event of
this plan being recognised as a sound and good one, which
the Government would carry out, many valuable lives
would be raved. Another advantage would ariso from the
establishment of this wooden hospital. Stone buildings con-
tracted a-deleterious atmosphere, that militated greatly
against the recovery of patients. They seemed to-be impreg-
nated with disease, and disease hung about them. But in a
clean wooden building that was not the case, and an emi-
nent physician belon„eiase to the civil departmeut'recently
organised to go out to Smyrna was so fully caguisant of
shis fact that he was endeavouring, by all means in his
power to bring the subject before the Government. He
(Mr. Dundee) trusted the Government would take the
matter into their considdration, and not think it unworthy
of their notice. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. MAGI,IRE thought the number of soldiers sent out
to the Crimea would be filly equal to the duties they had
to perform; but they were not cared for, and the same
blundering that masked the administration at home had
also marked the administration abroad. (Hear, hear.)
His belief was that the blundering and stupidity of the
last. Government bad caused more damage to the British
troops than the fiercest valour of their Muscovite foe.
(Hear.) He would mention one instance of mismanage-
ment that had come to his knowledge. A large ship, hav-
' ing 190 bullocks on board, to afford fresh meat to the un-
fortunate men in the trenches, arrived at Balaklava. The
captain wanted to get into Balaklava, but some stupid
nincompoop—some wretched fool—by his blundering Btu-
piiity, for five days prevented the entrance of that vessel.
(Hear.) The consequence was, that out of 190 bullocks 80
only were landed, and, being mere skeletons, died in a few
days. (Hear.) The troops were actually murdered in the
trenches because sufficient precautions were not taken to
provide for them, and the blood of those men lay at the door
of some department of the State. (Hear.) He wished for a
termination of the war, but considered that until Lord
Raglan was replaced they would not have a vigorous pro-
secution of the war or a • triumphant termination of the
struggle. (Hear.) It had been stated that for a long
time Lord Raglan was not seen in Balaklava, and that the
soldiers scarcely knew him, and he (Mr. Maguire) con-
sidered that a man on whom so great a responsibility de-
volved should take care that the troops were kept in a
proper condition. He begged also to call attention to
the fact that the number of Catholic ohaplains with the
army was not sufficient to cope with the great amount of
duties which the sickness in the camp alone would impose
on them.. Of the number sent out, two had died, four
were invalided, and two only were fit for duty. The Ca-
tholio clergy were, in fact, unable to perform the duties
imposed upon them, and it was cruel to overwork them as
they had been over woskeil. The contrast between the
treatment of the English and French soldiers was disgrace-
ful. Pher e was one good effect arising from the charge at
Balaklava' and that was, to raise the character of the
British soldier mere than anything else could have done.
But the French saw that the 'bravery of our troops went
for nothing, because the stupidity and incompetehce of.
British officials rendered the valour of the troops and the
courage of the nation almost nought. (Hear.)
C ipt. ARCHDA.LL begged to,call attention to a few ap-
pointments recently made in the army, which were accom-
panied with a certain degree of injustice to old and merito-
rious officers. He alluded to the appointment of Generals
.Bentinck, 'Campbell, and Pennefather to the colonelcies of
regiments. They were worthy, no doubt, of every reward,
but in the way in which it was conferred an injustice had
been done- to other officers. (Hoar.) He was not satisfied
with the -answer given by the noble lord the- member for
Tiverton with respect to the case of Sergeant Sullivan,
who ssn account of his general character and abilities, as
well as on account of his bravery, was entitled to promo-
tion. (Hear.)
Colonel BOLDERO had hoard from one of the directors.
of the East India Company that great advantage had been
experienced from the issuing of porter to the troops in
India.' (Hear.) He,wishod to ascertain the, quantity of
porter that had been sent out to the army in the Crimea,
and whether a fresh stipply, had been sent out ? He also
desired to know if any pertion of it had been sent back to
England, and the quaktity sent back, as well as the cause
for returning it ? Ho wished also to ascertain whether
the agent who made the contrast with the Government
had not-furnished a bill for the detention of the ship at
Balaklava of a considerable amount ? (Hear.) Ho wished
likewise to know whether the porter was supplied by open
contractor not? He again begged to call attention to the
case of officers returning from the East in a sick or
wounderisstate. He knew a young man who had returned
wounded and who wept to the medical board the other
day. They were astonished at the progress he had Made,
his health having been improved at a heavy expense to
his family. He -received, howeier, only 50'. from the
board, and that he (Co]. Bollero) considered was a very
great injustice. (Hear.)

Mr. WILSON said there was not the slightest ground
for thareport that porter had been returned to this coun-
try.becauso there was no officer to receive it at Constanti-
nople,. nor was it true that the contractors who had sup-
plied the porter had brought actions against the Govern-
ment tor a. breach of the contract. The .fact was, that
four cargoes of porter Were sent out for the use of the
troops, but is the meanwhile the troopS having changed
their quarters, the porter had to follow them, and all the
disputes which had arisen be;ween the. Government and
-the contractors related to demurrage for freight. (Hear.) :
The vote was then agreed to.'- •
On the vote of 151,1001, for allowance to the principal
officers of the several ptiblic departments of the army,
Mr. F. PEEL said it would be seen that this vote did
not include:the salary of the Secretary at Wat; as that
office had been added to that of Minister for. War. (Hear.)
With regard to the allegation of an hon. member, that two
men had been too seyerely`punished for firing-their aminu-.
nition at the Emperor of Russia--(a lafigh) -ho begged to
say that he had looked over the depositions taken before
the court-martial, but he could not find the slightest allu-
sion to the Emperor of Russia. The charge against the
men was, that they had injured the public property in
having fired away their ammunition, and cue of them was
sentenced to 140 days , and the other to 42 days' imprison-
ment. The reason that distinction was made in the punish-
ment was stated to be that the first man was a very bad
character, and had been three times convicted before.
Mr. OTWAY had never said the men had fired at the.
Emperor of Russia; he only wished they could have had
the chance of doing so. (A. laugh.)
• Mr. 0. O'BRIEN asked if it was true that an order had
been promulgated against the enlistment of Irishmen in the
brigade of Guards ?
Mr. F. PEEL had never heard of such an order.
Mr. MAGUIRE reminded the honourable member.that
he had not answered his question with respect to the
clergy in the Crimea.
Mr. PEEL understood the number of clergymen em-
ployed in the army of the Crimea was forty-two, of whom
twenty-four were ministers of the Church of England.
Mr. MAGUIRE-said that of the clergymen allotted to
the Roman Catholic portion of the army four had been in-
valided, and he should be glad to know if steps had been
taken to supply their places

Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said he could give the hon.
member some information upon the subject. The number
of clergymen allotted to the army was according to the re-
lative proportion of the men belonging to the Church of
England, Roman Catholics, and Presbyterians. Formerly
it was thought that at least a third of the whole army
were Roman Catholics. and the clergymen allotted were—
twelve for the Church of England, eight for the Roman
al-
lowed
to
accordinglyinereas e
theth
Catholics, and four for the Presbyterians. Afterwards it
Church of England,
e
W 11.3 3 to ,
l) l (tad tha different- denominations shoold-130
e number number
was
absy
increasedvoluntary
to
tw on ty .subscriptions,feur
sixteen Roman Catholics, and eight
State and half by vo
Presbyteriansincrease being made up half by the
1 bti Ho believed, however, that within the last two or thr;e years the Ro-

ni.n Catholics in the army had been far less than a third
)f ithe whole.
Ur. /41AG-UIRE thought it was derogatory to the dignity
)f
the
State that the spiritual wants of any portion the
a y should be supplied by voluntary subscriptions. ,As
f the latter remark of the right hon. gentleman, he be--
ti ved that more than a third of the men sent out to the
C itnea were Ruman Catholics.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know whether it was in-
t ded that the three departments of the Commander-in-
C aief should be consolidated?
Mr. PEEL said that subject was now under the consi-
deration of the Government.
Colonel NORTH asked if the clerks in the War-office
would receive any gratuity for the increased laboer which
tse war had imposed upon them ?

Mr. PEEL replied in the negative, because the increased
labour had been met by the appointment of additional
clerks.

Mr. DERESFORD should never object to any increase
ofstaff when circumstances called for it, but in the autumn
of 1852 a commission sat which recommended that certain
duties in connection with the militia might be added to the
Horse Guards without any increase of staff, and yet in the
sPring of 1853 the Secretary at War proposed an increase
of nine clerks in the War-office. The report of that cora-
Mission had never been published, but it Ives very extra-
ordinary that the reports of two subsequent commissions
which sat upon two other branches of the War-office had
been presented to Parliament and published.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the veto of 11,795/. for the Royal Military College,
Mr. BRADY drew attention to the disproportion which
existed between salaries of the governors of the college and
the remuneration of its medical officers. The governor and
lieutenant-governor received 1,8251. a year, while the EflO•
&cal officers received only 3924 He was satisfied that if the
Country knew this it would never sanction such jobbery.
Mr. RICE protested against the term `,`jobbery" being
applied to this institution. It was a great boon to the
hilitary profession, and instead, as had been asserted, of
fficers' sons having to pay 1001. a year for their education,
they only paid 401., but, of course, they must show that
their friends were not in a condition to pay more.
Colonel NORTH said the charge was regulated accord-
ing to the rank of the father.
General PEEL wished to make a iu,ggestion to Govern-
iment. We were going to spend a large sum of money in
;the establishment of a camp at Aldersb.ot. Now, he would
kuggest that the college at Sandhurst should be associated
with that camp, and then staff officers would have an op-
portanity of pratically as well as theoretically studying
the duties of their profession. It was impossible to learn
all the duties of a staff officer theoretically ; but if the
Senior department at Sandhurst were removed to the camp,
they would have sa opportunity of leserning the practical
parts of their profession. He hoped,. also, that lectures
!would be given at the camp, at which all officers could
attend as well as the non-commissioned, who, ho trusted,
;would soon be allowed promotion from the ranks for merit.
Mr. BRADY wished to explain that he had no intention
of throwing any discredit upon the establisment at Sand -
'burst, but to call attention to the fact that one-ninth of
the sum of nearly 18,0001. voted, was allowed to the go-
.vernar-- a sum he thought, larger themnecessary.
Lord LOYAINE said if the officers were obliged to re-
;ceive instruction in the different branches of the army, it
;would bo a much better system. A. great error prevailed,
which confounded the staff officers, whose business it was
to carry messages, with the officers .of the adj utant-gene-
Ind's and the gala-ten:nester-general's departments, which
inquired much higher qualifications.
G. PECHELL complained that the charge for the
staff of the college at Sandhurst was a great deal more than
!if they had a proper establishment 'with properly paid offi-
cers. A lieUtenant-governor was all that was necessary.
He also believed that the sum paid by the cadets Was more
than most of them could afford.

Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the sum of 4001. for forage
for the governor and lieutenant-governor.
Mr: PEEL Oxplained that the sans; was required to ena-
ble those officers to discharge their duties.
Colonel DUNNE said the system hitherto had been to
discourage an officer frem learning his profession. At Sand-
hurit-the cadets could not learn all the duties of staff offi-
cers3-49ut they required a knowledge of fortification draw-
ing and other matters which they could not learn elsewhere.
The suggestion of the gallant generallGeneral Peel) was a
moo valuable one.

The vote was then agreed to.
' The next vote was the stun of 23,3671. for the Royal
Military Asylum and the Hibernian Military Schools.
Loh.' NAAS born testimony to the value and efficiency
of the Hibernian Military Schools, mad he hoped that if an
increase was made in the English establishment, an in-
crease" Would be in justice made in the Irish one also. He
asked what the original number was, and what addition
was to be made ?

Mr. F. PEEL said the number at present was no, and
the additional number was 120.

Arr:ITAPIETtalso urged the dairies of the Irish esta
bli-htnent.

Mr. S. HERBERT explained that in late years the num-
ber originally fixed by the Duke of York for the Royal
Military Asylum had decreased, and the Secretary at War
for the time had seized upon that portien of the establish-
ment thus vacant for the normal school for training regi-
mental-schoolmasters. Under present circumstances, the
number of orphans had increased, and it was intended to
bring the school up to the original number. The plans were
already prepared, and he hoped that. in a short time they
would be completed ; in the meantime, arrangements had
been made in the existing building.
Mr, WHITESIDE would put the question to a simple
test. Let the Secretary at War make strict inquiry, and
if he found•lroland had equal dal& he was bound to make
a corresponding increase in that establishment. _ .

Coledel DUNNE was certain that there was some claim,
for the increase of orphans by the war was as great iu Ire-
land as in England.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 83,000/. for volunteer corps was also agreed to.
The next vote was one of 3,813,3831. for the embodied
regiments of militia. -
-Colonel DUNNE asked what was to be the quota of the
Irish militia ? He also expressed some objections to the
expensive system of billeting them.
Colonel DUNNE'snegested to the Government the pro-
priety of inquiry whether there was any objection to put
arms,into the hands of the militia. He did not believe
they would be able to obtain -recruits in Ireland without
embodying the militia. -
Mr. PEEL said the. suggestion should receivodue con-
sideration, and the whole of the Irish militia would be
called out if occasion required.
Mr. WARNER suggested the propriety of providing
temporary barracks wherever the militia was embodied.
Lord LOVAINE inquired whether it was the intention
of the Government to adopt any compulsory measures
with regard to the militia ?
Mr. T. PARKER called the attention of the Govern-
ment to the clothing of thomilitia, which, in some cases
was inferior to that given to the rural police, and even to
that'supplied to felons. The recent issue of boots bad been
of a most shameful description. Many pairs had become
utterly useless,. the soles having left the bodies of the
.boots. (Laughter.)
Lord PALMERSTON believed that in general the
clothing supplied was of good quality, but there were some
cases'-in which it was of an inferior description. The late
Secretary at War had made an arrangement by which the
colonels were themselves to look after the clothing. With
regard to the question of the noble lord, he had to state
that the Government had no intention to resort to the
ballot at present. Representations had been received at
the Home-office of the difficulty of raising men in some
quarters, and recommending a resort to the ballot, but his
answer hadi been that ho was perfectly convinced that men
would join in due time, and that the best course was to
deavoit to their good feeling.
(Hear, hear.) • -
Colonel SIBTHORP believed that the men who had
'joined were generally highly approved, and that the force
would be most efficient.
Mr:- M. MILNES said he was aware of eases in which
colblitaS'of regiments had written-Id the War-office stating
that they had men ready to recruit for particular regi-
nients. But after the lapse of some time the dispositions
_of the men changed. Now, he thought it would be better
to _give the colonels greater facilities. for sending up men
who wished to join the regular army. (Hear.)
Colonel KNOX wished to call the attention of
.the Go-
verninent to the subject of the transmission of pay from
soldiers' serving abroad to their friends in England. Great
complaints had been made on this subject;' and in Many
cases the parties applying for' the pay could get no infer-
qn.ol9ll.asto where it was to be obtained. Any irnpedi-
;assents thrown in the way of parties to whom mouoy was
ro transmitted would tend greatly to discourage the sol-
dier. There was another subject to which he wished ha'
ate'attention of the house--the system of hospital ser-
vice in every regiment, in the army. The general system
Was, that w.heu a man went into the hospital the surgeon
took a description of him, the name of his parents, and
an account of the money in his possession, so that in
the 'circa of his death there might be no dispute. Now,:
he'regretted to say that in the hospital at Scutari the,
whole of these arrangements had been tOtalyneglected;
and the system of pleader and robbery that had been car
tied Pn Was Perfedtly disgraceful... Many men. had gone in
'with 7. or 81., but the breath had hardly gone out of their
hoilft;i before the Whole disappeared.,

Lord PALMERSTON apPrended that tho delays which
had arisen with respect to the payments transmitted arose
in.this way, that wheti the applications -were • made, the
:my:list had not been received'. Of course.tho money could
noA.N. I*d until the regimental pay-list was "received
•
glaowkng the amount dao to the men....

Mr. M. MILNES said there appeared the other day in
the newspapers on account of a proposition having been
made to • the War-office to transmie•a; 'certain sum from'
this onetry to persona lying—in the hospitals at Scutari
and Constantinople,
,and that the War office not ouly de-
clined to receive the money; but stated that the persons
lying in the hospital at Scutari had received every comfort
and everything that• mouey •could supply, and that such
assistance was perfectly superfluous. He should be happy
if the Secretary at War could inform the house whether he
evoiffil be able to afford the means by which the charity of
this country could reach•those unhappy men.
Mr. A.: STAFFORD was glad the attention of the house
had been called to the subject. - When he was on a visit to
the hospital there was not a single day on which the matter
was net pressed upon his attention'. 'There were soldiers
to-whom pay was clue who could not send any portion of
it to their relations in England.• They said, " We do not
ask charity, we donot ask subscriptions from private bone-
-valence, but we say that in our sickness caused by the per-
formance of our duty we ought to' receive what we have
earn-ed, and stead it to our' wives, sisters, and
other relatives in England, but by -the regulations
at Scutari we have been over and over again re-
fused." (Hear, hear.) He hadseen letters from female rola-
fives 'dating that unless money was sent to them to pur-
.chase a 'mangle or set themselves up in some way of busi-
ness, there was nothing left for them but the workhouse
or prostitution. (Hear, hear.) It gave him great pain
to hear these brave men make such complaints day after
day. There was no redress, and 'the reason was that no
regimental paper had come from the Crimea. The Secre-
tary at War stated that he had given orders and instruc-
tions to remedy this evil at Scutari. Far from hearing
that statement with' satisfaction, he had heard it with
great despair; because, although it might have arrived be-
fore he had the opportunity of addressing the house on a
former occasion, it had not arrived, and it was his firm
conviction that it had not arrived yet, so that the great
evil which existed at Scutari when he was there existed in
full force at this very moment. We ought to enable the
poor soldier to draw, not as a matter of favour or private
benevolence, but as a matter of justice, such sums as he
might see fit, not c.nly for his own comfort, but to send
to his relations. (Hear, hear, hear.) With respect to
the men who had been obliged to come home, none of them
had been paid since they arrived in this country. A man
came here with the loss of a limb ; he wished to go to see
hit friends ; but he was unable to do so because he could
not get his money. The Minister of War, on '-.the other
hand, had very justly said that it was the duty of all in
their several localities to do their utmost to induce men
to enlist in the army. But what could individuals do in that
way, when these young men who desired to enlist were
told by others whom they met in the streets, " Wo have
served our country abroad ; we came home wounded; but s

we cannot get our money?' Such was another proof of
the reign of routine. 11, u sure th .1- the u.,ble lorl
-the head of the Government, and the hon. gentleman the
Under Secretary-at-War would be most anxious to
remedy these and other evils, and he therefore implored,
them to depart.from the spirit of routine in the present
instance, and do justice to those who had fought so bravely
and suffered so much for their country.
Mr. S. HEB,BERT said the hon. gentleman who had
just sat down had not given a coned description of the
regulations udder which pay was issued to the soldiers. The
hon. gentleman stated to him some time ago, upon his re-
turn from Ginstantiuople' that there was great difficultS,
about paying' the men in the East. Now, there could be
no doubt that even by official routine the mess were en-
titled to receive their pay as the honourable gentleman
stated, and they were likewise entitled to have facilities
which would enable them to remit the money to their
friends at home. When the army went to the Climes,
in order that the circumstanc:3 which he had just
mentioned should be generally known to the men,
Lord Raglan was requested to publish a general order
directing the attention of the troops to the regulations,
with respect to the issue of their pay. That was
accordingly done, and when the sick and wounded
were removed to Scutari, an officer was sent to act as pay-
master at the hospital; but it would appear that he was
totally ignorant of the regulations of the service, for he de-
parted from the official routine, and did not afford the
men those facilities to which they were entitled. Wh4
the subject was brought to his notice in that house by the
hon. member for Northamptonshire, be instantly wrote to
Scutari that those men who had not had the facilities to
which they were entitled had seen grossly ill-treated, and
that they ought immediately to be made aware of their
right to remit money to their friends at home. It was true
that when the men arrived at Scutari from Balaklave
they had no statement as to the amount of money due to
them. He was not surprised that that should occasionally
have happened, but the officers at Scutari ought to have
done immediately what heknew they had done since—paid
every man on account from the day he left Balaklava. He
hoped the evil wise now rectified ; if not, he trusted the
Under-Secretary of War would look to it, and would select
the best men he could find and send them to replace those
who were inefficient. He ought to mention that the hon.
and learned member for Enniskillen asked him some time
ago whether it was true that the men in hospital at Scutari
had 9d. deducted as stoppage from their pay. He an-
;pounced at once that the men in hospital from injuries or
'sickness contracted during operations in the field were not
liable to any stoppage beyond the ordinary stoppage for
rations. No more they had ; but the hon. and learned
gentleman had *ome reason to put the question, for lie
found afterward* that the regulations had been violated,
and the men obliged to submit to a stoppage of 9d. out of
their pay. He might add, however, that upon hearing
that fact he instantly wrote to the effect that, whatever
might be the inconvenience, every farthing of the money
so taken from the men shouid be paid back. (Hear.)
Mr. WHITESIDE said it was observable that whenever
any abuse was brought before the house, it was sure to be
attribated to "routine." Was there no way of killing
routine ? (Hear.)

Mr. STAFFORD was not surprised to hear that the
right hon. gentleman the member for Wilts had written
numerous letters' to Scutari ; but there was one plan which
he had not adopted, and that was neither more nor less
than going to Constantinople himself. He was now re-
lieved,from the cares and duties of office ; and since ho was
unable to ascertain correctly what was going on at Scutaii
—since he was so dissatisfied with the whole of his letters
—he could only recommend him to try the effect of his
personal presence, and in order to obviate any Parliamen-
tary difficulty he was ready to pair with him at six hours'
notice, and accompany him to Scutari for the rest of the
session. (A _ _

Colonel 'ARCEIDALL was sure there must have been
some exaggeration in the statementsin the letters from the
female friends of soldiers in the hospital to the effect that
if they did not receiveremmittances they would be obliged
to resort to prostitution. The Central Association had
been established for the express purpose of supporting the
wives and familibs of soldiers sent to the East, and he knew
it had supported no fewer than 13,900 persons, at an ex-
pense of about 1,0001. per week.
Mr. PEEL, referring to the remarks of the hon. member
for Pomfret, said that no less a sum than 18,008/. had been
remitted by soldiers in the East to their friends in this
country, in small amounts, averaging 2/. 12s.
Mr. H. A. HERBERT said the right hon. gentleman
the member for Wilts had stated that some stoppages had
been made at Scutari, contrary to the regulations of the
service. Was it not possible to ascertain whose fault it
was, and to visit tho offenders with punishment ? (Hear.)
Mr. S. HERBERT thought he had stated that the fault
lay with the paymaster at Scutari, and that he desired a
proper person td be sent out to replace him.
Mr. CRAUFORD complained of the want of barrack
and hospital accommodation for the militia in Scotland,
and hoped the government would take steps to supply
what was required.
Mr. PEEL said the Government would make all the ar-
rangements in their power to provide the accommodation
referred to by the hon. and.learned gentleman.
Mr. WALPOLE asked the noble lord at the head of the
Government whether he had heard that the principle of
voluntary enlistment for the militia had been materially
interfered with by the bill for sending out certain militia
regiments to garrison places in tho Mediterranean?! If the
fact were so, it was well worth consideration how far that
bill should be noted upon to its full extent.
Lord PALMERSTON said" the number of militia who
could bo sent abroad under the bill passed before Christmas
would form a very small proportion of the whole. But, of
course, there was no accounting for tho erroneous impres-
sions which might be produced in the minds of the people,
and it was posdible, though he had not heard of it, that
sem° might have been deterred from entering the militia
from the notiqx that they would be liable to be sent
abroad against their will. The house, however, was quite
aware that by the recent act no man could be sent abroad
unless ho himself, individually, agreed to go, and there-
fore those mispiireheusions, if they did exist, were totally
unfound() I. • •
The vote was agreed to. On the next vote, that of
22,0001. for allowances and rewards for distinguished ser-
vices,

Colonel KNOX urged the importance of the institution
of some order of merit for the reward of officers and sol-
diers below the rank of field-officers, to whom, the granting
of the Order of the Bath was limited. The institution of
such an order would do more to promote the improvement
of the army, and to excite emulation in all classes from the
highest to the lowest, than would the giving of any possible
number of commissions. He suggested that what he de-
sired might be accomplished by granting the Order of the
Bath to captaiim and subalterns; and by the institution
for non-commissioned officers and privates of an order of
merit which should carry with it double pay and double
pension.

Mr. APSLEY PELLATT called attention to the injus-
tice which was done by depriving a corporal promoted to
be a sergeant of, ariy good-conduct pay he might have re-
ceived in his previous capacity.
Lord HOTHAM called attention to an abuse which was
a consequence of the mode in which this vote was adminis-
tered:—Thice: colonel was promoted to the rank of general
he did not, unless he had served a certain number of years
as -air effe-ctiVe field-officer' receive the half-pay of a gene-
ral, but only that due to him in virtue of his previous com-
mission. In more than one case a general not entitled to
general's half-pay- had received one of those pensions for
distinguished services, and had then been put upon the list
of general officers receiving general's half-pay. Now it
might very likely happen-that a meritorious officer might
not . have served long enough to entitle him to general
officer's pay, mid it might therefore be very right to recom-
pense him by a pension for good service. But it was not
right then to,procieed also to give him geteral officer's pay,
because he !licit obtained this good-service pension. The re.
suit of that was that those who had not served long enough
to obtain general officer's pay might be better off than
those who had.

Colonel DIT.IJNE quito agreed with the hon. member for
Southwark (?Ir. Pellatt) in thinking it very hard that a
corporal shoul4 lose his good-service pay on being pro-
moted to the rank of a sergeant,

•
Mr. WARIOR observed that by this vote pensions of
1001. each were proposed to be gives to the adjutant and
quartermaster7gerterals of the army in the Crimea. Now
he did not think they-ought now to reward officers whose
conduct had been attacked and was about to form the sub-
ject of inquiribefore a committee of that house. He would
move to omit these items from the vote.

Lord PALMERSTON said that the pensions proposed
to be given to , the quartermaster-generals and adjutaet
generals of the army in the,Crimea were to be awarded to
them for good service in the•factvof the enemy at the bat-
tles of the Alma and Inkerman, and he did not think that
giving rewards for -such conduct could at all fetter the
house in coming to a judgment upon the general' arrange-
ments for the Management of the army made by those offi-
cers, which w4s to be the subject of investigation before
the select combittee of that house. (Hear.)
Lord EBRINCiTON thought that some provision should
be made for d6fraying the cost of the outfits of the ser-
geants te&Ntr'hom Commissions were to be given.
Mr. PEEL pointed out that a sum of 5,0001. was pro-
posed to be gianted for. that purpose.
Mr. OTWAX complained of the manner in which Lord
Raglan's conduct had been prejudged, by some hon. gentle-
men, and remarked that he had yet had no opportunity of
being heard iii his own defence.
Mr. WILLIAMS asked if it was true that the' sergeants
in the Guards' who were to be •promoted to the rank of
officers were not to receive commissions in their own regi-
ments; and if so, what was the reason?

Mr. PEEL was understood to remark that this was a
matter within the province of the Commander-in-Chief.
Mr. CRAUFURD said that the pensions to be, given to
the adjutant and quartermaster generals wore to be awarded
to them in their capacity of adjutant and quartertnaster
generals. Now, he thought it was not advisable to give
rewards to officers whose conduct was about to be the sub-
ject of investigation. -
The amendment was not pressed, and the vote was
agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again, and the house resumed.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The house then resolved itself into a committee of ways
and means, and.
Mr. WILSON moved that towards making o•oods the
supply granted to her Majesty the sum of 17,1937001. be
raised by Exchequer-bills for the service of the year 1355.
.Agreed to. . .

THE CONSOLIDATED FUND.
The Consolidated Fund (2,000,0000 Bill as amended was
considered.

The Consolidated Fund Bill (4000,0001.) passed through
soraraittee.

MILITIA (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Colonel DUNNE said he had no objection to the bill if
the last clause was left out. Tho clause had nothing to
do with qualification's or indemnities for qualifications,
and it could not pass without notice.
Mr. NAPIER caused some laughter by pointing out cer-
tain absurdities and anomalies in the working of the bill.
Mr. KEOGH disclaimed being answerable for the phrase-
ology of the bill, and contended that though it was some-
what obscure, the intention in every case was clear enough.
The bill was then read a second time.

CASE OF THOMAS LANDERS.
Mr. MAGUIRE moved for a copy of a memorial ad-
dressed to the. Irish executive by three magistrates of the
county of Waterford, and the foreman of the grand jury
and petty jury that investigated and tried the case in
favour of Thomas Landers, who, having been convicted of
wounding one; Tatty in a drunken brawl, and, as alleged;
in self-defenccl, was sentenced by the assistant-barrister
(Mr. Bessonetl.6t thedast quarter-sesstons helti.ifi'thut
county to four year s' penal servitude. He was now under
the impression that the law had not been fairly adminis-
tered in this case, and the production of the memorial
would satisfy him on this point.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for IRELAND opposed
the motion on the ground that the house could not convert

itself into a tribunal for revising sentences passed at assizes
sious

Thu motion was by leave withdrawn.
PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
On the motion of Sir B. HALL the select committee on
the Public Health Bill and Nuisances Removal and Dis-
eases Prevention Act Consolidation and Amendment Bill,
was nominated as follows :—Sir Benjamin Hall, Mr. Irton,
Mr. Wilkinson, Mr. Adderley, Lord Robert Grosvenor,
Mr. Horsfall, Viscount Goderich, Mr. Freshfield, Mr.
Austin Bruce, Sir John Hanmer, Mr. Knight, Mr. Gore
Langton, Mr. James APGregor, and Mr. Thomas Greene.
On the motion of Colonel NORTH, an address to her
Majesty was agreed to, for causing the royal warrant, re-
gulating promaion and retirement in the Ordnance, to be
laid on the table.

The other orders of the clay having been disposed of, the
house adjourned at one o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.