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so den4ern.is to public liberty. Could the country afford it, sod
did the state cfLtatirs require it? For Whig was the state of Use
revenue! The expentlitare was estimated at 63,000,0001.—thi
ilcome at s4,ooo,ooul.—leaving a balance of 1e,n00,0001. mime-
vided for. The produce of the Sicking Fund the -
year, however, would be About
arphed to the public service? T.te flon. Me
that Ministers should paygreater attendee
of t.:c civil authorities in Ireland; the
was eertieularly adapted to this serviix.
tie Staff for Ireland as unneeentuily
that our affairs would soon be brought
receipts would equal the expenditure of
Col. Davis coinelained of the extent
meat; but contended that even if the pt
be retained, there might still be a saving
posed end, the redueuon of three regiments
filling up of those which remained. If ie
men in eneh regiment, there had been r ----wee or MI &IL
and the breaking up of three regime:nes. then would real nd
great seeing be produced. The same principle would have ap-
plied to the infantry; and the andieation of the principle .er both
branches of the serf ice would produce a seeing in the cavalry of
30,,,e41.—ein the infantry of 90,010 L--total -120.0001.—whife the
forcer would be really more effi.ieet. lie condemned the Junior
iistablishtnent as invasive on the country useless expense. He
admitted that the savings and reductions which he suggebted
might :arrow the silvans uf some brave men and.tiffleers. whose
Humes were already suflieiently narrow; but when they looked
rotnual and saw the 'lister-ewe Ainnngst the manufacturing and
working claim, every pusbible sating ought to be promoted. Ile
acted from a sense oe duty alone, nom a comet:rat:on of the state
of the country; and he tbeugle they were bound to produce all
possible saving, even it it were not more then (Hear.) He
concluded with moving an amendment on a resolution granting
ees,;76l. tat abnineli of the navie:, Ciat I;e.ot/01. be granted
instead.
Land reertensTost defended the system on which the reduc-
tions had been made, contending, that- the pr.nent aerangenients
secured better means of re.aueni wing our 1011:1116 in the event of
a return of war. As to the saving, tipposing the proposed reduc-
tions were deemed adviscable, it would not amount to above
31,0001. itutea.l of lhl.uu il. and then. in the event of its being
desired to increase the forces very considerably, the greatest in-
convenience would be found to exist. He 11mi:it:Used that the
greatest saving which could be tdeeted by the emennted mode,
would not be worth the sacrifice which most be made to etibet it;
the cootie wile tnutt t i. lri.able,a i iiiconi ',Axes telt at the
commencement of the Lee. war had played. Inure would he
great expenses in nisiit; r ens., and then they would for
some time remain useit s. He trusted that the /I oube would not
agree to the amendment, seeing that the pressor plan cuenbinett
tie! grtite saving and Ofirier.cy with tile lust enema of ein.,-
n7enting our fem., elioeild a new *u nnfoillniterly ledge meth
augninitedon renititite. The noble Lord defended the junior
establishment of the military, as of must useful tendency.
Sir li. PARNELL explained.
Mr. C. Grant, Mr. J. I'. Grant, and Mr. GolllllUrrl having
mule some onaervations, theaniendinent was put and negatived,
but without any division. and the original 1110(1011 agre.al to.
The remaining revolutions were then put and agreed to, after
some explanations front Cal. Davis, tee.; the gullery ice
cleared for a division. bat none took place.
SETTLEINUNT OF Tilt POOII.-,-Mr. S. BOURNE moved,
that the report of the Pour Settlement Bill be taken into further
consideration
Gen. GASCOYNE 'not.%) that the fill be re-committed.

Mr. NIILDMA I-, after a short
.pause in which no one seemed
inclined to sceond die motkin of the gallant General. ruse to sup-
port h. stating additional objections to the Bill.
AI r. C. Pitri.Ltrs likewise objected to the propimxl change in
the law of settlement. and :aid he would move that the report be
takm into further consideration this day six months, provided the
gallant General would consent to withdraw his snit ndrocat.
Lord GRA"; viLL I: SOMERSETnusde a few observations. die
purport of which could nix be beard, from the luw talc in which
he spoke.
Mr. FRANKLAWD LEWIS spoke at considerable length in
favour oldie measure. _

Lord MILTON supported the bills he thought it was a consi-
der.ible improvement upon the old law. which was too compli
eated to be useful. lie attributed the aucrnentation of tl.e poor-
to the anxiety to reduce the price of agrisultural laoour.
The great mailufact wring towns were no doubt thwirous of getting
rid of their poor who INJI spent exit lives in the workshops of
Alanehester or isirminglitua.
Mr. W. SUITIi. though originally a friend to the motion.
felt it a duty he (rood to u very huge bo.ly of hi. con.tituents to
oppos it.
Thee gallery was thca cleared for a division. The numbers

For t!.c recommitment 62 I Again!t it 92..1 Majority 30.

The question that the :nun' be lead this day MY nitioths was
than carlitd.Witildllt a division.
Mr. Aklernrun H EYGATE presented a Petition from the town
of Sudbury against the Roman Catholic claims.
The ATTOUNEV-GFaILRAL gave notice, that on Thursdays
ne .t he would move for leave to bring in a bill to present his
INl.i,csty's subjects tram ensa;„tie,; in foreign vervios without his
Majesty's Lccuse.
The other oelerr.of the day were then di,poeetl of, and the
home adjotuntd lit half-past 2.

TUESDAY. MAY

AGRICULTURAL LAZI3TOU presented a
Petition f:yin 700 ocropiets Miami in Durlwai, ixmamtmening of
the distressed state of Agri=lture, and praying that time House
would appoint a Committee to enquire into time subject. The
thin. Member deemed it his duty to present time Petition,
a.ithough he tlitiired trom tlmcm i.i opinion. Laid on the table.
I.lr. S. WORTLLY presented a ►imuilar lA:6i:on from liol-
deincss.

AsSESSED TAXES.—Mr. S. WORTLEY presrnted Petitions
from sundry Shopkeepers in different parts of the Kingdom,
complaining of the hardship under which they labourer to asses-
oirg the Imam. Although the shop windows mightnut be Lc ins-
tate.. yet th-; shop was taken as part of the house. anti the house
aanCssed higher accordingly. IL.:,:ept some relief should be pto•
mimed, he should bring torwArd the subject. (Hear).
Mr. TREEMAYNE and land LASCELLES bore testimony
the hurt'_,Lip of the anti -ammo complaMed of by the
PetitiJners.

Sir M. %V. 1. LEY as7:ed when the subject of the Asensed
T4CICI would E.: Ifrouipt forwari ; if it were net%irsed won he
should make a 'notion on the subj,ct. _ _ _

The Cu A2:CELLOTI Of 012 EXZtiEttUEIL replied. that he had
hoped soon to brill the muter forret d ; but etlay had occurred
so con-eluence of the Bank Report alt4o4.necessasily
lag the other functions of Gorert.ment.
Mr. WAITILOAAT terna:lrd that the whole subject re( tilted
rcvi..ion. When a shop-t...v as found in V. it
to ti".t imposed on servants ; and the hardship of
tins was ve-y extensively felt.

Mr. anittrETT thciugfit thzt lads under H ought to be
exempted ; buttla exemption woulti be of the greaten u.e all over
country. _ _

The Cti.slettion a the EulE/mum' ye?lied, Oat this
Tsctiort was not t ,ry clay, although it was wormy of (La itlcr.

atop. in cede; to Waft thole= ontotsiplOyMellt of hays ;
but lithe age ail* wan sated. after t age boys would he
likely to be thrown upon-the workt.—Petition read and ortisred
to be printed.
that -*nnight be
that he
ce:..

ordered
the
-.0 Finish
Howe had
Report
moved for
riir in certain ewes of briber? Lt
Grampous4. Ile thought the House was bound to do all in it:
power to correct those dunes which crept into the exercise of the
elective Franchise; and as Members were sometimes expelled
that House in controspsence of sentenon.iat law, he did not we
what obejection there could be to this motion. The proceeding:.
at the Election had partially come to his knowledge. Mr. Teed,
a candidate, produced a list of 36 out of the 60 Electors who hal
bargained for their votes t and be insisted on the Bribery Oath
being taken. winch so outraged the virtuous Electors tit' Cram-
pound. that they insulted the man in the streets who dared to
propose it. The Noble Lord then detailed the proceedingson
the trials azonst Sir M. Lopez and several Electors, all of whom
were found guihy, the Judge bating observed that such prac-
titio against the Constitution were most pernicious. Such men
as M. lopes were most dangerous enenues of the Constitution.
he had. gee shout buying the Electors in Boroughs—in Devon-
shire, Cornwall, ese---every where he was found carrying on
un extensive plan of eninpaigit against the Constitution, }hear,).
and such men with their lour or five totes might be too accept-
able when proem' in that House. There were two courses that
might be pussued—first, to. direct the AttorneyAitneral to pray
the judgment of the C..iirt against the cotteic:ett ; secondly, to
enquire into the state of the Borough. The latter course 1•0
thought was the preferable one. He concluded with moving A,:
the cousictions of Sir M. Loixia, &e. at the lest D.:rood:ire
Aw.ixes.
Mr. S. Bonnie, thr Attorney-General, M. Scarfett. and Mr
%it)tiu. matte some retuorks, m4;4;4'1114 the motion, but thougi.t
extrave would du.

Lord.-- USSEILL eventually amended his 'motion for extracts
illuseratiee uf die charges stud cutoriaion., in Mitch twat it v
agreed so.
The ettAxec Lam( of du, cur.QuEt obtained Iva; e t
bring in a bill to apply the profit, ut the 'Tellesibip resigned u/
Loin Canalin t the etiblic set

Mr. J. e. Gotol's ii.otion 14r CorresponCence of Metll:.l
anon. anci.ciallef Purrs regonling tne Optbs Establi,ol-
- anisat, Iv 4L4 ncgativoo, once. vindication of Sir
Adams, by Lead l'..!rierston...Adjouzned.

WLDNi.SDAY. AI.IY 12.

TunNrit:E Exenst.Troxtr.—On the motion to agree with
the It, port of u Turnpike Read Bill.
Mr. Cunwr:g protested against the dame which pmpn et!
aat nnly to ,x.”l:pt vm 4 arfisges of tit: Royal Family. but diet"
naggcns, &C. ; and nativist as ua Atuendment, tint: it be
-- - '

Amdahl:en: agreed to.
On a similsr Lid: coining forrarti,
Mr. CL'InVF.S gave notise, that he thottlil resist every Bill
which contained to exceptionable a clause as the one whith Lc
h..d pointed out. lie thought that it was not consistent with Mc
principles of the Constitution, or those of Justice, to introdure
such a clause ; and he OA:re:lire hoped that parties interests:
such Bilia would attend to the notice he thus gave them.
Tni, 818 was also ordered to be re-committed.
Mr. All. WOOO brought in a Bill to enewnrr.ge the emply-
me.tt of time Poor, by ptuointiag Partnerships in Vishertes in tie
North of Ireland. Read a fabt time, and ordered to be read a
secor.d time. May 17.
SINKING/ I- I.7ND GRENFELL'S
mot:on was nailed on, when a conversation took pLice. whether
it, or the examination of the Pcnryn witnesses, should have
precedence, there being some undemanding, without the consent
of Mr. G. that Lie taastatinsuon of the witnesses should hare
precedence.
Mr. H. Suscw En m.wed that the. House resolve itself into a
Cornuittee on the Pcnryn B'IL
Mr. Gatlin:Lk contended for hia right, and traintainod that
he ought to have a prece.leisce, a right is which he was suppormd
by the Speaker.
Lord CASTLEAE.AOII admitted the right of the lion. Nierr.!:er,
but ironed that he would give say in (mita to prevent the
keeping or tarmacs in town during any unuceetsary length of
tine.

Mr. GoExrti.t. agreed to rostpone his motion, to bring it on
to-ruo:ro... evening, should Wilt iwn.iit if wit he could bring
forward the subject on Eriday.--Oleer.)
Sir C. Lk it tiasa. moved that tile House resolve itself into a.
Committee on the Penult Bribery dill.
After ohservations from Mn Barham, &c. the House in the
Committee on the Bill proceeded to f4111171i,1C witneabc6. A
perAin named Joy. was latiklairbCti at Vlik)llS length, particularly
respecting the issuing of certain
On the motion of Chitties Ituncll, the evidence was order(
to be laid before .he /Louie. It was brooglit up and coderetl• to
be printed.
Mr. GIieNFLLL said that be weu4l. on Thursday bring forward
a motion reordisig the Sinking
The mit.r orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House aujiazioed at ladtpiuit It o'clock.

ag Fuod for the current bir. S. Woiensy gave notice, that en Friday sennighi
07‘X801. ; but tract it to -should more, that this subject be taken into consideration.
m. Mesabi:: resgpimofd CostrrornetcEns.—Mr. LYTTLETOS gave notice the
aticn to wee Ern 410Uld move for a Committee on the 4:411 Gao. 111. eh. so,
: yemianamg jpeiting tittiltilizo:Ccinstyagoers. &c.
Me Returns the of Anomie:a, Ste. were then oftli
extravagant. ital teklaid
to that state in which tho PAM CLEues'. Bats..—Mr. C. WYN■. presented
the ,ountry, ' • against the Fa
it of the mthtiO7 - • ' • . •r t•!", t c t cif she Howe
potent numbs= were to op been complied with.
ng d teo.oool. lie pro. Mr. Alderman Wooo•ra44, that I. tronsequoste of the Re
owed tatithyt and the be should withdraw the Silt
Miled d,eouring SO Gitosirousu itt.sc.Ttosr.—Lord J. RUSSELL moved
s a pqatdea of In ate? the convictions. of the Court *flaw in certain cases of bribm