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NAVY ESTIMATES.

Sir GEORGE IVARRENDEII moved the Horne
should resolve itself into a Committee of Slimily.
the Committee he stkted, that alts gli it
was necessary to preface his Resolutmotir by a kw
ohaervations. yet. from the nature of the evidence
before the,hfouse already, upon the subject of this
night's business, lie was coutident what he should
have to say would be confined within a very nar-
row space. The Committee was snare, that the
public establishments connected with the Navy
hail- been of late years einisiderably• enlarged ;
the -Esiimates for the last ten years had also
been digested and Lid' before the House, in ta
printed form, consisting of several separate and
distinct items, whit+ rendered them the' more
easily understood ; for the last two years they
bud, moreover; been submitted to the Com-
mittee sitting upon Public Expenditure, which
had, through its Reports. from 'time to time, givemi
to the House and the public a much more detailed
view, and far more correct information; than he
could possibly expect to give the House io the
shape Of a prefatory speech. For the items of iii-
formation, therefore, he referred the (louse to those
printed papers, already in their hands. During
the late war, every one might have observed that
the naval establishments haul increased considerably
iu their expense, owing to drawing all that busi-
ness of constructing vessels of war into the King's
own dock-yards, which formerly used to be dune
for the greater part in the yards of 'private mer-
chants ; the ultimate conseipsenee of which was,
that a great saving and ecoutnny in this department
was effected—the immediate cusiseipience was, that
the yew!s constructed were of a vastly iinpmved
descript. . Ac. Jeraldr portion of the expense
of these dock-yards would ressiairs IA permanent
charge on the (votary. Another large branch of
the public expenditure in the 'freesia year, con-
sisted in the expense aitteialitig the erection of va-
rious public winks its the naval yards; these would
he found to have been stated ut length in the
Report alluded to, accompanied by u detailed
statement by that eminent engineer Mr. Rennie;
sale rein had been stated the probable loss the
public might sustain if these works were left at this
1ie11.4111 in an unfinished state, and also the ud-
vantage likely to result from their bring com-
pleted as NMI ae 110toilble, whilst the price of la-
bour was so much lower tie sum during a state of war.
The additioas and improvements made in the
duck-yards at Sheerstesv mid Chatham woold, lie
believed, do away with time alleged nrces-ity of
constructing naval arsenals of a more extrusive and
costly nature in other parts of the river, at an ex-
pense of Site or six millions; and more particularly
this expense haul been moat probably prevented by
the improvements made at Sheerness. Ile was in.

voluntarily drawn into a ►ubject olsoine importance
to the armee, that it ►hould be cominented upon.
It had been said in that Howe, when the subject
of his Majesty's 1111141 forces had been discussed, that
it appeared to he the intention of Gayer ttttt cut to
raise the land at the expense of the sea forces, and
thus to abandon fur the army that which %night be
well termed the long-tried and natural hulwavks of
Old England. Nothing could be asserted with lea.
foundation iu truth. Theohject of Clocertidieut had

been, ill all its alteration. end improvements, to
strengthen mud render efficirsit our ilutni stations
*lnd ervetPtio• trt well as to keep a respect/Me force
id* tirst-rate used, ou foot, 117 might he seen by
the Returns of Pensioners on Greenwich Hospital,
amounting to 35,000 wens a consideialile uwubrr
of whom were available Ut Y moment's notice is, the
service of their country, should any unexpected
event regime their exertions. Nor hart Gover 1111 l rot
been remiss in attending to the cooditioli of the
public-works and duck-yard., even its nine of pelee,
by the itounteninice and erection 4.f viers, stile rood-
steads, mid kart 111 l rs fur our .hippie;;.
could be II coon• ercided proof ul their :ittcu-
tiuu to the true interest• of the couulty in the
experliiion and very tine c Idiot' with which,
dining is period of peace, an armament had been
tilted out and ►ent against Algiers, whirls, for the
superior stile of it► equipment, and the glociiiiis
result attending' the enterprise, bad never heroic

been exceeded: This expedition, thotigh prepared
rlnringit period of prate tililavouraiole either to the
achievement of brilliant. eiploits or glaring Oster.
Ow conduct of the Admiralty
as to iiret.lnitiOn and preparation on their parts.
said the reserve of skill and enterprise on the tams
of individuals provided for _their defence upon all
cases of einergehey ; persons of considerable skill.
ititelligeuce, and enterprise, were employed its va .
nuns parts of the world in the survey of coptibt and
seas, hitherto altogether or very little known to
European uavtgatovs. Thus this country in the
muse manner its slw had_ exhibited herself (lotto.,
war,. foremost iu danger and noble daring. so in
peat e she was most sedulously occupied in sci-
eutilic research and improvement; end in the
earention of grographiculend eimitieal know-
ledge. This jeer it vimMoitentleil to add to
our estalilishinnits of this nature, and it was not
imorohable that the 'orig.- discussed problem of a
cornmunicstion northward between the Alissilie
and Pacific Oceans. might et last tie stilVed, pis it
had once before neatly been, but for the prensa-
tore loss of that most intrepid tied judicious cit-
e 1111 l navigator (Captain Cooke). whilst attempting
this great object of national interest. Never had
there yet, during a state of peace, been a period iii
which. this coutsby could with tome certainty
reckon upon ad immediate display of a competent
snivel force, to tiny exigency or sudden einergettc,y.
He coucluded with moving—
That it is Mr opinion of this Committee that a sum ant
exceetliug %MAGI. 7s. he granted to his NlNjestv, to de.
fray the estimated Ordinary Expetssys of his Majesty's
Navy.

Sir M. W. RIDILTY admitted that the Hun.
Baronet had reason to congratulate the House oil
the subject of the labours of th tC. 'nee, to
whose Report he had Nei favounthilv alluded. 11e,
however, hoped this Report, like other% he had
known of this nature, would not he suffered to re-
nnin a dead letter, and end in no radical result.
He rose for the purpose of waking ats atnetitlinent.
which had been suggested to him by so Mem.
leer, a friend of hi.. It consisted simply of a motion
to reduce the estimate by cutting off the bum of
2,0004. us the salary of the junior Lords of tlw Ad.
aniralty, pursuant to the representation of the Cnltl.•
Mitiee which had formerly snide a report upon title
%object. If the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) and the
Right Ilon. Geld. (Mr. Canning) whom he did not
now see in his place, had advocated the tirpoiiii-
tnent of those j r Lords on any other ground
then that which they had assumed, there would
probably have been less objection to it ; lint the
reasons they bad advanced in favour of it Were of
the most suspicious nature. It was clear, front
their observationv, that it was a mere matter of pa-
troitage. 'Flit, gravely infornsed the House. that
the Admiralty wee an excellent school for young.
statestneti. But if gentlemen wished to become
imitators', lie conceived that they, cml nut the
public, ought to pay for their educatitni
their isoviciate.—( Hear, hear, hear.]-11e dust
not typose this grant, fur the sake of the few
thousands which would be saved by abrogat-
ing it. That was a very trifling consideration itt-
deed, when they were voting awsty millions. It
wis the principle he objected to—because lie was
yet to learn why the country was to ploy fore school
for the education of young stalemate'. It was on
this groomd that he could mat consent to vote away
3,0001. of the public money. He had had POlll4l
upload sty of witnessing the fruits of this A(11111.
salty education. He had seen • very pretty little
book, said to be the productiou or is Right lion.
Getitletuan opposite (we believe the Hum. Baronet
alluded to Sir. Croker) who held a high situation
in this politics! seminary. It was avowedly written
fur the use of the younger branches of fami-
lies—and was entitled " Stories for Children"—
lie supposwd it was intended fur the instruc-
tion of sacking Sialesarea.—(gear, hear, hear.)—
It did, linweVer, contain doctrines to admit lie
could not subselibe. He could nut, for instance,
admit. that Charles the First was either an ex-
cellent man or a good King. He also understotiJ
that the Admiralty School furnished a variety a
other publications. The Quarterly Revive, a
worlt of considerable eminence, owed much of its
celebrity, he was informed, to essays which otigi-
nuted in that quarter. Now. although he was a great
admirer of flue writing, he did not Eke that the
public should lee made to pay for it.—(f/cue.)-
011 these grounds he would oppose the vreset.t
motion. And, whets he recollected that several
Gentlemen on the oilier aide uf•the (louse loot
voted for the repeal of the Lesilter Tax, lw felt
confident thud 1w *honk have their stirport Ott this
occasion. For he could not (worrier that they
would be so inconsistent its to deprise Guyer 1111 l rot
of SU large a sum, and yet expect that they would
be able to pay salutiew of this deseription....
(fieur.)—The Honourable Beiroitet colicluded by
mot ii.g, as nn amendment, `• 'Phut the sum stow
proposed fur defraying site ordinaries of Ilse luny
be reduced to 2,478,660/. 75." being a deduction
of 2,000 t. fur the Waits of the two juiiiir Lords
of the Admiralty.

Lord Css-ri.ttni:satt did not rise for the purpose
of arguing this question. But he would observe,
that, iii the last etsion, it lied ondervite vile tit
the most extensive, if not the most solemn, argu-
ments, that had ever beta heard before then,.
There was no top c, cc ttttt 'eked the • uliject,
ulna was nut discussed on that occasiou. Ile coos.
ceised that very strong fe.11.4.111S %sere adduced to
prove the ailvaiitages that resulted fr the powered
constitution of the Board of Admired!". it
%%IN HO% It Iliotitti 1,2 recollected, a ties, cons
of that Board—but one that bad

prevn:led fur 4 Veld tiry p.uo. It Wns ebidroit,
that there lh. es 'Mit tof Cumid ut thy out-
ito:l.—,t;t;l whole number ut Lori+. num
Nit• rt allured Heeetoiry. The ap.
pow:•:.rut wu. aviwutt d the Committee of Fp.
11.1114. V. N Ito tztsr soh', reLeoliu. for it in their Repot.
The lion. Baronet Ited le-stated no epoch of tit
ar.ttuatA at ..uttckl his purrose. Lle dtd not (Item%

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to West it in the same meaner, toil, therefore. he
would le...ve the question in the Mendota the Hoeft.
Mr. Nowell begged to state. that, as far at the
Finance Committee hied proceeded, they had every
redsoo to be satisfied with the spirit of economy
which was manifested by Government. It was with
' this read

111aderite
The heist !lotion •••••
* Meta eons soot esseesiktel.7lllllBll. he isemfiel se bis
- WOW.% sod proms;
sod above tie

owl

'Ord those ineritorinui
isskt.iner.
Mr. ettentit mid, three years ago. it was pro.
posed that lialf-pay should be extended to Pursers,
and Parliament 'cashed to the request. He did
toot think that more conk' be dare. It was impor-
sitsle to open a door for the pupate of asaisting
them, without adosistiug also the limos of many
other swronis to redrew.
Sir M. W. IltaLstr thought it was possible to
Kraut them relief—and, in is case of such peculiar
hardship something might to ha done.
Mr. Comma said, that, being aware that some
of those perilous had acted **clerks, the Admiralty
Jimd employed some of the most des►rving of them
in that capacity.--The motion was agreed to.
It was next moved— _

" That a stun not exceeding 18n,0001. be granted to his
I.llajesty for the purchase of provistons for troops and ear-
Pismo on co, iDi statlow, awl (or troops to be embarked on
hoard tint), of war apd transports."
After a few wordy front Mr. WAIIItE (relative, ns
we understood, to the eatablislinteut at Melts, end
rn certain timber seized by itutteparte at Vienne),
Sir .1. Yonne, snit the Custscstsuit of the En.
CIIIMUER—which were nearly inaudible in the
gallery—the motion was agreed 10.
It way then moved—
• exceeding 178,9411. be granted
- transport

. .
"Hun BAILIFF OF itISTIMSTER..
Mr. Moans rase for the eurpofe of moving. that
‘tim of money should be granted to the nigh
Westminster, to remunerate him for losses
sustained in coosequence of the eiection of a Mem-
ber to serve in Paoli:maid for that City. in the yrur
181.,.. It was a case. he observed, of pure, utmost-II
jiertice. and he conceived that he would weaken it,
if In were to detail the circumstauces at any length.
The claim cause recommended by the Committee.
to %loch, four years ago. it was referred. Its 1806
mud ISu7 two severe contests took place for the
City of Westminster—and. according to the lOVIS•
riable practice of his predecessors, the High 014
did th.t, %Inch. if he had not done, the Osaka
uta be brought to a proper issue. It ens
tVidesal. in a place like Westminster, where the
election was of a purely popular character, sud
where use regular building was set apart fur condueS..
lug it in, that, if hustings were not erected, scow
of riot and confusion would take place, totally sob.
%mire of the rights of the electors. He, however,
ric.erl hustings, at a considerable expense, hut the
money was never refended. He in coaterquence
brought au action for it in the Court of King's
Bench, but a verdict was given against him. lea,.
ing hien u sufferer to the amount of 1..1001. He
lwgged the attention or the Committee to this cir-
cumstance, that the High Bast did use ask com-
pensation for the sow 4 atowel to which he had
)4111111rd as citisended iti 1806-7—he only re..
rotired the Minor stun of GOO/. being it moiety of
what he tool laid nut us 1812. Parliament had re-
cognised the injustice and hardship of the former
loss, which fell on the High Bailiff, anal they let
no time elapse befrire they endeavortred to relieve
him. With that view the 61st or the Kilos, which
114.1inilaterl elections in 'West stet to tram, that
took pl'ace in other places, was enacted, which ten-
dried candidates liable to the expense incurred for
the ere. tint; of hustings. But they did not, in
statute, provide for the strange and utiontalima
inroluntary candidate. The High
L: stuff lam refused payment by an Honourable
la room. iwr Isronght his section against him,
1 „t he did not succeed—the Court of King's
11,•tit:Is holding. that that Honour: ,1v Baronet
n.,„ net a eondidete within the meaning or tine Art,
BM surety. its justice. it could tint be said 11141
altos not tiittlitti to the moot y he had !aid nut.
iiife...e,stre could be &man finny this Act,
which reuttiqed it compulsory on him to incur r
i;etute,,, iu the erection of bilging., Sic. but ih It
it woes siesta by the I.el,islatiire that he slirithl hr
reimbursed ? it would tie extraordinary inclurd, if
ttie.l.ll.6litture intended, at the s:atie moment,
eating' Men he orrirtitio tic:l3 i lit via wile, a
rertaies v *Tit Mit wevigicilly siscalt:olivil in the A, I.
and wife me therefore stippos.d to be
It erns this Icz
it, the Ao t called ms Ishii:nut-sat to retutniizi::.re
mt. Ti:e Act in pruvid..l plat

Annie-
tart), whether any ify.ptiastion hod tins mode to
hint an this selieet—..4,o •wbetlter, us the Inert of
the Crown, he had avientad to this claim) If he
had, the HIM. Iliantleastus who made thi proposi-
lieu should have stated the fact. Ne application
war emir, er Iliad., according to the
establ, ilaetiei of that *lease, since the reign
of Queen Aitme, for !dahlia matey to be so laid
oyyts usrlass the formal consent of the Crown were
obtained. It was a prudent guard which that\
House, in former times, set on its own liberality
__-.l•e...oteness. It was necessary that such

a check should exist—for, if persons were allowed,
from feelings or Isbeinlily or of rainier, to get up
and move for suns* of the public money, *hat was
often censured as the extravag flee of the Crown,
would be exceeded:Li a ten-fold degree, by the
ext,uwagssuer of thot House. •
Mr. Baueoces--" I have to state, that the eon.
sent of the Crown has heels given to this claim, but
1 forgot to state the circumstance."
Mr. BANILF.II—" not does tint remove toy Oa!
*lion to the form bf the motion."
The Cleatectiltott of the EICEIZQUER—" Four
years egos this' claim was sanctioned by a Cora.
mitt's% The Crown would not, therefore, with-
hold its assent from it, but left the House to decide.
on it as they thought proper."
Mr. N. CA ISRIAT belitted the emoluments of the
High Wier were very considerable. 11 they were
(and ii el Id like to know their amount, and the
terms on which lie purchased his situation), perhaps
it would be found that they amply compensated for
auy incidental lowa this kind.
Mr. BROUGH A M was opposed to the laying out,
unnecessarily, a huge rum of money, either fur
the use of the Crown. or for the betietit of an its.
dividual. But this was a claisu to the justice of the
House. This (rIHIRIMIR was saddled with an ex-
pestle which the Legislature never wished nor
tended that he should bear. But, by the utifortu-
nett selectien of a word, which the Court of King's
Bench iutripreted,differeutly from that House. he
was deprived of legal redress. The statement of
the Honourable Nesuber (Nlr..N. Calvert) relative
to the ettiolistorids of the sit uotion was decidedly
in favour of the claim. The High Bailiff had, as
it were, purchased so eistate,.aull the Parliament,
without compensation. lung au additional burden
or it, which hr bed uevrr contemplated. And for
whose use ? For that of the country at large.—
afittr.)-41se blunder in the Act of Parliament
ought not to be visited on limn—(Mr. Bogies—
" There it No blamder." f—The Honourable
Geotleinett said, there was tio blunder—hut he
would sties, him that there was ; and, having been
Of Counsel its the cause, he had a right to know
something about it. The Act provided, that
the High Bailiff should cause hustings to be erect-
ed, and that tile casislidate, or candidates. should
defray the expense. It was supposed whets those
!fords were employed. that they meant, " that
whoever was returned to serve iu Parliament, and
whoever professed himself desirous of serving,
should bear the burden of erectirg bustimpi, eta-
ployiug poll-clerks." &c. Then occurred a case,
where an iudividual was elected. without having
sought for the honour' and the consequence was,
that the Lourdes), instead of being thrown on the
Aber, devolved on the High Brslift Such a
gee as this surely demanded the favourable con -
itideratiou of Ilse House. &sone of strict justice.
Mr. W. WYNN was of opinion, that the Report
of the Committee msght to be placed its the hands
of Members. to enable them to judge correctly on
the subject, before they came to a vote. It app eor-
ed to him, that there was no blunder its the Act
of Parliament. The case of a person being re.
turned to serve iu Parliament, who had not set
up as a candidate, was not a new one. at the time
the Act was passed. The Art was passed after
the election of 1813, when this very rose arose—
when an lion. Baronet, who had not declared him-
self a eatillidatc, wits returned by his friends. The
High Bailiff had been advised to bring his semi
against Sir F. Burdett, for his share of the expense.
lie did so--aad the Court determined, as it was evi-
drat it must do—teat • a man. who slid nut offer
himself a+ a catultilate—who was called on to per-
form the duty of a Member of Parliament—could
oat be liable to the pavlova of a sum of motley,
whets he was nest a party to the proceeding. It
!Mild be most unjust that any Gentleman its the
country should be called on to pay 3,4, or 500/. for
defraying expeattwe which Ise had wit, in fact, been
the deals of creating. It;r2, lie belsevril, nu
pettait uttered Iliat.rll-, as represeutative fir We.o-
- *ln, was likely to give rise to a coisteqed
election. Now. he did nut recolie. t the precise
words uf the Act—hilt lie doubted whether. its that
the I lull tla tall was 01.1114.11.10 raise. hustings.
It'. hills-ever, tit every ease, whether there W. 1.0 a
cotarlidste whether t4rie %%05 II C"HtPSI"
'Avelino or not—the 11101 Bailiff may compriirsi to
rivet Itti-tings—iiisieint lif 6.7sussing with the Cont.
matte of Supply for 5141,f. 11. r litt.lier MO& liresllll
hr IC .00111111rner *llll slit A.l cl R tiameur, ileeltr-
ing by srlioni the expense iv.., t., be h.,. If Ili
It...re suit it it melt: come to.this, tint Vie [tome
..1 Comm 1111 l wilsll.l becri:ae fiir tile ex-
itt r 1 t-t-liit4 htlrlllhr toss tt ere Ile. 3011,11 whets.
the tiertr.i nude curWiltd alga that the
Itiatutir on hint. a 'twilit lic•
to m. :he best teilt-e Would lA. 1...4 the

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Mr. BROUGHAM could state positively, that the
eXpelltte WIII incurred—for he, and a Learned
Friend of his. cut him 'limn as much as possible.
Some Jul. or 40!. was, be believed, deducted twin
the account. By the Act the High Bailiff was to
have hustings erected and pull-dolts ready, if a
poll were deenanded—and the Learned Gentletuan
soya-61 %VII should he erect them, if they were
not called for ?" The High Bailiff could not
know. till the last moment, whether or not g poll
wouhl be &wooded—and he would ask the Learned
Gentleman was all Wear ll ioo ster to be kept in a
hubbub, if a pull were called for, between the time
of making that }demand, and the period when the
hustings could Ilk erected? Was it out better to
have them itt readiness?

Mr. W. Wiratt—" If there were one professed
candidate, could he not Ise sued for the whole ex-
pense?"

Ms.- BATHURST said, one of the Plaintiff's Conn-
eel, Mr. Richardson, made a motion oil that subject
—but the Court held, that, as there was no joint
interest in the candidates, the liability was separate.
Whatever provision it might be deemed necessary
to make hereafter, was not now the question. The
question was, whether Parliatnent had not thrown
• great duty on the High Bailiff, which was not ne-
cessarily incidental to his office ? The Act did throw
on him this burden, which was formerly only
known by the SheillYs of counties—and why should
not Parliament grant him an indemnification, under
his peculiar circumstances. when their intention
evidently was, that he should not love by their enact-
ment ? They said, the expense must be defrayed by
the Candidates. But that intention was defeated
by a particular circumstance. He did not take the
office with this burden appended to it—Parliament
had (-awed it--and he conceived that Parliament
were bound to prevent him from being injured by
it. The demand had been for years in existence—
and Gentlemen now talked of printing the rtepurt,
the circumstances of the ewe bring well known.—
In other words, they were asked to expend half the
sum claimed, in the printing of the Report, before
they proceeded to consider the case.—(Hear.)
Mr. BancLse would agree to the remuneration
demanded—but he hoped something would be dune
to prevent the recurrence of such a case again, as
such claims oil Parliament ought not to be en-
couraged.
Mr. C. CALTURT said, that. at the last South-
work Election, when he, and a friend of his, now
no more (Mr. Thornton), stood us candidates,
third person was nominated by his trends. That
individual contended, that he bad no right to de-
fray any part of the expense of erecting the hag.
logs, as he was not a candidate, and the High
Bailiff was obliged to pay it.
Mr. Loceitant said, there was no fear that the
present case would be drawn into precedent, as the
Act would expire this year, and, he conceived, if
they wished well to Westminster. that some regu-
lation ought to be made on the subject. The
High Bailiff was bound, in severe penalties (re-
coverable by information or indictment, pre-
feted against him. as au enemy to the public
peace). to erect hustings, mid provide poll clerks
nut of his own pocket. The High Bailiff had
done so—and. us he acted under the direction of
Parliament, it was but fair that PArliantent should
indemnify I • .
Mr. Bantam* suggested, that the objection to
the form of the motion might be obviated by put-
ting it thus:—
" That s rum not exceeding Soot tie granted to his Ma-
jesty,to enable his alajerty to reimlnorse the KW' Mita of
Westminster fur the expenses inctoreLl by the Election or
1012."

After some observations from Mr. BANKES sod
Mr. Iluouctime,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHFQVER said, that
there were ma many cases in which the operation ol
or. rte t of Parliament throws n lon. on
that it required very particular word,, to distinguish
this case. 'l'he charge bad been thrown on the
Geatlen►au in a way Parliament did not intend.—
The Act on the subject was about to expire. and
aoald probably be repealed or amended. At ull
events, this omglit not to be drown into precedent ;
but it was of so peculiar a nature, that, upon the
►►hole. lie did not think it proper to withhold
as•rut lniin the•propositioti.
Alter a hew remarks from Mr. N. CaLvaot, a
clitosion was culled for, but afterwards tvithdrawn,
and the motion wits earlier!.
A ma'am was then inside for an Account of the
infusion tinu.uttt of the profits of erriy kind Hoye
the year 11107 rectivesl by the High distin-

Hon. Gentleman to withdraw his r,,solniinn the annnitit 1; each Tear+ cud fhe ionrees
ther, and defer takitig airy forte! steps all the froagearlorvla they writ: dr-rival'. ". •
Report was whitest for the role orit tied**. %b.f. NY.wroar Jul 'int well Otte M tbsigutise
Mr. Been) it* m ailthe leas Ceoriseroglinst the. eOOll4-• let at these oecossoria..
High &alai: taliarO'rw hmuglitt his delis*. Noel 11ANKE4 %Aid. thit thitfilOs noilift. hitilir •
tilers'/ore arixtrosea de. MI6 loot*, be es. rn ivas bisoud to mtrke the 'ilititrai se-
wasplaining his case properly. He was aion.suiteal in 'Wired-
his action against Sir F. Burdett—but. in tlit I ninitnxi; OF CIIVRCIIt S.
other against the Noble Lord (Ctiertriine) fie sue-
reed's!. The expense was astionShrre *boot
Ili. or I,luol. and lie recovered a moiety of that
sure—the ether moiety he now mogio from the
House. It was mule a mutter of oilrOmie that I
the expertise was m great. Now, the Noble ,
Lord suffered judgment to go by delimit, and
the damages were assesied before the Sheriff.—
A minute investigation of the accoout took plaice
—proof was given us to all the items—matt the
Plaintiff did not receive sixpence more than he was
entitled to, on the must unquestionable evidence. I
The expense was not merely incurred by the pair-'
chose of timber ; the hiring of poll-elerks and
their assistants occasioned n conairitrable pun of it.
By the Act it was imperative 011 the High 11141111 f,
when a poll was demanded, to cause hustings to be I
erected. He understood it was a temporary Act,
and had either expired, or would expire this year.
He thought it•was necessary
that a new Act should
be panned to guard the High Bailiff in future.
But iu the first imetauce. they ought to repair the
injustice already done. It was of very little use to
my, 44 We will not allow you to lure 16 or 1,7001.
in future—but we will not reimburse you for what
you have already lost."
Mr. W. IVYNN said, if the demand were con-
fined to Isll2,•it ought to be observed, that no
poll took plaice at that time; and Ire could nnt con-
ceive how ma expense of 800/. could be incurred in
the few hours which elapsed from the begi 000000 ag to
the end of the election.

Mr. Ty react' raid. duet gr- thse ordri of the Right
Rim. Gentleman, oppn.tle (11r. Vomiting.)). refire
to the wilding of church... win to conic under
discussi 0000 .w t, he ruse to the Men
Ilins. Gentleman the proprietr of gleingtiutz hi the
sane purpose the saes intended to be reiseirdesi w.
r.tising a monument of our virtorirs gloving the lA*
war. lii every point of view, a gnand national'
chord' wool,' be the beat kiwi of memorial' that
could be adopted.
The 01.4MA:1.1.0R of the Eacerouca said, that
the plan of building churches through the COitillry.
for the accommodation mid insproremelit of the
People, ign% to be kept distinct from the I:lea of a
thistle edifitr. drain wed to comineu 00000 Jte our mg-
holm! trithoplic However, lie by no memo, ulcaot
to oisy that he dilaspprovegi of a hat kid been iong-
gassed by the It gist !lon. 14. mined
be Intl to have N consomme:diem cith the Iti;111
Don. Member. after *loch it W;l4 probstile th*c
would be a coincidence of opinion between them.

Mr. TIERNEY Os wt• 11341rtstnuti it:ll9 to4ruktril.

On the motion (pi' the CHANCLI.I.O% of the Ex-
CHEQUER. the (loupe 10.4bierd 14011 ion ;1 Cow.
muter, Int to witch or the Spreelo or the Lords
Commissioners its mated to the building of

The CILINVEI.I.OR of the FACHFQVVII,
to mike his intended itt:iirto, teal, flint 'lever
had any cirinisinileatiwi from the T.iii•ile been
received with illo:.e than hit or the
Speech at the opening of the Session, which recom-
niended to the attention of Parliament an torreaw
of the 'lumber of places for !midis: worship. It
was now more than at ceutury since a general plait
had been acted on for that purpose ; nod eve..
then the phut had been imperfectly emacia-
ted, the further accomniudatibit provided for time
spiritual wants of the people, hail been lint very
limited—only eleven chinches had been built. In
the interim nothing had been done. The public
must have looked with great solicitude for
the time wheat Parliament' would take up .the
subject. The causes of delay had bee., the
great expenaira of the country for a series of
years, occasnmed-by...amsr.— During this period.
however, ParliattirittilsoLlsot been altogether idle.
It had enlarged the sabiriei of the resident clergy,
and endeavoured to afford diem elicit au.erwleriv-
nsent. though moderaii, . taw eo better enable them
to devote their whole.exatstiont: to the ditties of their
sacred office. It lard also prOmoted the erection of
new churches to no small eaten,. Still, however.
there'was a melancholy deficiency. occasioned by
the extraordinary increase of our population. added
to its greater concentration, arising front the growth
of mintuliactures, and extension or ofiaourdetorinK
towns one district,. Front these causes, and the
great extent of parishes, in such places as originally
laid oat. the accomtaudation of the public for at-
tendance oat public worship had been ranch red ism!.
The chinches accommodated, in several places,
but a small part of the 'temple. Within the lag
century the population has been nearly doubled ;
the addition, however, had out been diffused in
the same proportion through the country. Ex-
truding from the returns on the table, the pro.
portiosa of the population of different dioceses to the
number of churches in each, it would be Could
that in the diocese of London, the number for
church would he above 11,000 —iu Chester tt.195
—its Oxford 2,4:21—50 that the proporf iss the
diocese of London was to that of Oxford as four to
our. It would be sufficient for Iron to groutni the
necessity of the measure oat the general notoriety
of the want of chinches, without going into ally
details. However, he would relate a few owes of c x-
treme deficiency. In London there was not room
fur one-seventh of the popuirtion. The parish of
St. Murtimin-the-Fields tiontained gb.ooo
was iteettleas to observe how much of
these mast excluded from the church. In a
palish isi Liverpool he tight compute that 73,00 u
were excluded ; in one at Manchester .is 000 ; in
St. Maly-le-bontii7,ooo—the number excluded in
these three breads., mwreifoted to nearly 210,n00.
From four more above 40.000—from a third class,
eight in nutuher, .betweeu 30 and 40.000. If the
churches would coition' onmahird of the Protestant
population, he would deem it sufficient for the
present—the different times of service giv;ug au
opportunity of ottesulassice to different people. The
inconieniences lie had eittleavoured to point tint, hid
been yet fortis in a strong manner by Mr. Yates, in
a work he would recommend to the swells'sl of all
who felt ma interest in the subject. From his slut. -
incubi, the excess of populat 1111 l unitccoolutoduied
would appear so enortisdia, that a remedy, at first
sight, would .seem hopeless. The torpid: 0'
of London. Westminster. um! Southwark, was
I,ll9,ooo—the work skewed the fa e 0 ttttt uto-
tiou extruded to only 151.000 ; so that tlie
excess, without any, was nearly a otill;ost. Iu
the city of London this was nut sn ; there the pi-
visite' were small. and tile churches c lions.
'That would be found to be generally the case iu
cities of Kamm origin. The case was different in
tosmis of later origin, especially those fi led since
the lterornaation. la the thotivie of York. thew
were itiorty-i•ix churches. and it was calculates!
that there sills a deficiency of room lor 537.000
people; in that of Cheater. one hundred mod i hwy.
seven churches, a deficiency fur g29,01t0; iu th it
of %Winchester, twenty-three churtovii, there uas
seem u. uludat iu,. for hot 59,000, the de-tit:miry was
to the number of ‘260,0Un. A outlier pow, an,
consideration, and deserving oh remedy, was the
Cllewunotta weight of duty at present thrown on tlo.
teams of parishes oith very large pi.polatiosi. It
was impossible for a rector to intend to Ow spiritual
concerns of 40 ur 50.000 persons. Bow t.:••111(1 sm h
a .nun go through divine %dike. mid the s:ala-
mein% and tete 11111 l tics of the chinch, aiili doe re-
serener ? Mr. Yates Lad mentioned a cake whe;e
he had seen a blend of his, a emote, en4aged nt
I,mi-trifling divine service. churching %semen, Canis-
testing. and busying, from nine 4 iii the
mg till between seven stint eight to tior eve.
It was not in the 'lattice of tholes that a inait
in such, eireumre.ncts you'll ctia,tri:ind 0;0 %A-

pressibe seriontstest arid solemoity i:it sacred offi,.e
.0 strongly olestoat.ded—so that the ineotsure lie was
*Nutt to estl nn it to the House was not less important
to the civil ri.21.,t5,, and the relief of a large pro.
Portion of the Cler2y, then to the rel:;,,,ious wants of
the community. Having some acessuet of the ex-
tend of the mischief, it aright be expected he would
state the outline of die ;Demure 'oriels-4 to remedy
It. ft was his instention to move for a gram of oi,e
million. to lee raised from time to time, at neciosioos
might arise, by Exchequer Bilk sand vested in Can.
Mtatitistert to bre named toy hie Majesty feor the par.
vow.
einetempbilef; by his motion. The itsrestriteet
isms intended to lie similar to that of tier saws grata.
ed for the employment of I lie poor. He tisossAl4l
:this pouterable to sin amend gram. :is it would von.
lei n direfelosa ott the Coinississt owes of het ter rc-
gwerling ocertaissie, and by crresionseri le rtg (beetle", it
woods, give the pullltc an idea of the 4111;who, aid
its be expected. It with probable fair opportunitues
or upoo„4 11w %bole would occur in the coarse of
four sir live years. It 0113 not on preprost iweesostv
to meke silty prov:sioto far Os: 'mimeo of the Ex-
chequer Whs. 1.3 y the Act of Queett Amur, shirty.
one I:Assuan...viceless lard been appta,:hal, upon shwa
tbe bruise of Ifni Wing el s orelses had 1,,,,„ tot-
,
posed. II) laystig On a Inval Ins, Ihry livid beea
~,,ghb.,f to forshl Hod complete 'tetra ellint:11-4 in
tint toces:. osf Looduss. Tile sums now proposed
is; br ii,,„„1,1 was much snore littera' than that their
ranted ; the fruits of it were not to lec• ernotimed to
London. The gram, however. was not at all to I
looked u; as a loud for etettpletittg, by as Ora
optiatims, the desirable object in Vier, a Kwb rather
to be considered in fits ilierastre or tacit by
the public: :0.41 it Suit to he toolleisso,S7l that the
trosteee Sete to noterl'ere testy in ones cases where
there npswaied ale inability out the o.urt of tlie pari.lt-
loners to supply tire sleticiemy. Thy grant satotesvot
vrill4•liiall.l 10 rin•onnigt! ills ra.-f 11111,4 uf the people
themselves in ottaiiii•ig a liatioaal niject of •gtelit
ussigisitutle. it won; I save 11w exorisse and th lay
Of nitil)s,l4 for wit/ate Acts of l'aviiarneut. The
thrisson of parishes that stsight be esdetl slue eerie.
eiastieul one, would never he matte without the
enosteot of the p itron, 2511(1 in emit complete
division, the eceleoisstical 44nref %nal IMeinnz
to use new or old ictrelt iivi•ording to their lie 01
origin. Another tilvt•ioi, that nimbi be adopted
would nor be emit sly ccelesiasiical—mitoely, with-
out takiog ally of the duty from the hector. Other
casts W 014141 lw, where, Mittiont any irperaistni
of toseivhes, it singht hr fooled convessWet, to
build losaroellial chapels. In Snell (impels us of pre-
sent managed. there Well a great iut•on.eiliettee ; that
11 from the power Of apionnit ill ~nt In the Hector, surd
frequent changes, it teo Wield linipelad that tittle
wag but little commussity of feeline mel :,tiTt. lion lot/-
tweet) the iilliciatise2clergyintinaisil the teen studs of
his chapel. To, obviate thisfreqrsency of citing: in
the new chapels. the clergyman would he removuble
only by the bishop. Ile hail sotesialed to state three
different modes of erecting new charclies. I. Uy
divisiou of 'satisfies to all ecclesiastical iourpotee;
. By a a district division. without altering the pro-
perty of ecclesiastical dues; 3. ily erecting Pam-
chial chapels. without dividing the parish. The
public grant must be Hided by pric.:k'exertiosis.
Twenty-seven new churches had been already arose
particularly centemplated ; hot tint less than
1, sevessty-seven could give accostiolodutiois Is our-
' thin{ er the papalvtiou at mice. IVis hunt use tins-
! p trugerneut to people of different religious opinions.
'he II gilt she chief came of nosontt en:hisser On the
service of the Established Chores tem. the want of
room. Every incitement should b... given to private
aid and parochial grants. To regulate the enttd net of
the C nnnnn mist.iotter's in assisting the last, rules would
be laid clown. Ile treed twit recal to the recollec-
tion of the House the establishment of use excellent
society fur the same earls us his incision. It lust'
luwis considered that it %sould be losipansoltle to rx-
trawl aid to arty parriola contenting less than 10,00.)
inliali:taists. Every respect would be paid to private
rights; all new patronage would follow the present
patrols. It might he setaactory to the House hi
learn the mode of presenting to the .27 churches
he had alluded to. Tim patrotinge of four would
he vested in the Crown, of two its thee A telthislittsis
of Canterbury, three its the Bishop of London, me
in the Areloilemain of London, *ix in Collegiate
churches: two in clivele and corporetions, one isa
the porieltatiseis, eight in ;wirer patrons. These
alKordeil specimens of every kind of ecclesies.
trend livoperty. Tire qu.stiosi an* wind fy ile-
tinct from every idea 4,r party, and be was con-
vinced cauie home to the approlestiou and desire or
! every &frowner of the Howie. He trusted that on
Ithe preterit ectsision the same unanimity Witilltl exist
In did HO a question of n similar nature sense time
since. which etignged the consent mod co-operation
lof ail partiem. He vosielsided by moving_

"Thai this llntric do ilirret atooln,nhat rseceiling one tril-
lion, in 117.schiritorr Bills, to be ve►ted from time to tittle in the
bangle of t7uttostissi .... ers, to be hy thrill applied under eel lain
pep Ist i4lll* mud rest ries i•iiis towards building pubic Churrhes
nod Chitiselt it. Einglau.l."
iVAI.Z•ECRATE mode at row remark* not

General TgnitsToN expressed great caisfactioh
at the rtateasteist he had heard.

Sir C. Mo N ell entirely agreed in the .motion. ft
tutu expedient that churehra slinutd • he INC}
sided fiiv the people, and cOrclted atill clergymen
moderately eiiiltiwed. Nothing was moze likely to
recal 13O.senter-. But it ilia nwt neceasarilc fol-
low, that WO IWlVWOCelnellt in morals slid religam
would attend 311 Increase or Ito tee of worship. lie
had dieter heard that Norwich, wird), with a
sinan papulanum, cunteiued thirty-nine churches,
will more exemplary lit moral. than Newcastle-
upon-Tyne. rat Woftle provider'. He wislied
some iniallication Seraiee
might be adopted. so that it mien he done oftener.
It ices to lie cumitityr.id whether a large part of the
endowments of the Chu; ch wool riot now eniiileled
let it 121t11tlice COOtrtily 10 OW intetanmis of the donors.
lie %%wild rather a Board would he eslalnialierl iu
every county 10 receike applications Irian the re-
spective parishes. than that the cniiiitic at large
Ice taxed. But he iiipeed 111 111Cipir--he
dareteil wily in (11-!al!p..
111. Cirri 11111 lied to What fort of ..parirkr,
would aid trout Ike print by t'arlitsairt he re-
-1"41111 ? end 1,"• 11l two of the classes dettritier'.
the clergyman would be tend?
The CH% scvs.t.on of the EXctlEQUilt•rrillied.
t woe igtprntartele iftigt a riti3ll. O`ktil a IfrOl.Willtirns of
I.:SI Wits .41.U:11), could receive aesietirate. I.r Gle

libl..111111b1;1.11

-
f .
great ',leisure lits bad thus issurtimg read a minute
from the Ordnance Dipirtuseut. which. he hoped.
*then lad beßsee tlie Mime; Weald live Rini Gels
ilemen as much ,eatisfectioa ss it hid imported to
biro. tie hoPed9 and believed, there would be a
Imola* area elfhilol-4414arfatetatiass le 000 to th 4
ringgestiotat of the wilenavertiotprapl4l
fairtylio carried info. effect. Ala iitoat 'pvit
itriennimition. did exist, he would astao awn Oat.
in Sheonfussice. riee.,i.eot—oo. .• 1?"
partihrtita dirt was viewed .with 0W10'41414 i/eP.'
lousy MO which let, to the greltleo.elfrime—"4
satisfactory laid been • , .
After a few words frimi !Sir C..11116i.C. the House
Critical whrn 11144 *apocared
i;Jr the ikisseormifit - 5S
Azaleas it
foe Moisten.. $7

" riot s sows sot sitosoosirs.rirrem.g....
fur losseloeimi sod pippoirsoc slips of sew is wa.
elbaute yanks. usor sad &twos the son voted fur *car sad
Iran of
Mir M. W. Rtot.ollcri the attention of the
'House to the tissitriissikatiois in-which masiv in-
dividuals were placed. who had street! his hiejesty
iu the capacity of Pueseit. Some of Meat, who
hod tared six .tiara, refs actually beggisig in the
vtreets—and others *era on boa?d the receiviiig
vhips in the river. He conceived some relief ought
in be grouted to them, as their caw was our of pr.
ticulet harddlin. Twenty-five or thirty' of thove
who had acted IS Pursers for seven
Vein, and had Paused their accounts regularly,
Trete very moth dislrestred. A *dui as Urge as
t *kelt he hail endeavoured to take from the
erilaric* of the Lords of the Admiralty would sf.
ford those meritorious officers very couviderable

" That I, sons, Nat exeeediste 176,9461. he feneted
to hie Majesty to Ildray the swam a the transport
serniims."—.4•Esed to.
Ale. IL IV•itikusoved--
" That a sum not 'lending 131,11!101. be growled co ge-
ment to Lis!Uneasy, for the Imitation 'nerving et pre-
aro year."—Agreell to.

' place Jambi be erected in lVestmiuster rto tarry ine
on the •'• smother clause el' -Beat
the ~• 11M . Id iiileititifi iiiiier-
Vi " •
•
Prnss -ai 7? ii ea.-. . •-,• • "e,,e. a ..ci&l'
t_ ma,. air
We- . • lim,..elet.. "'Pr.'
..X e; t . to , iiiiialigui4lare
*dilated r - his chnoh-i-that the Legithoure
414,i1ik '• - - Vont Mot shot which their
oeitteiois •
had &Silva& hilts of any ether means of
procuring t TheAllon. 'Almelo these snored—
' '•-• lsearsotri to tbs High
. . . W . reiti&tar the expreses he
isitheyear !flit."
elf• LTSI-4-sr-sri, se toce4 irret.
gokie. it.vote 7 isuirsishir, since money
could not be to in tudividoild is • Committee
fronied fu . dui 17114111 to be ranted to
tlt
Siiiilii.ileisti._ .i et
gig .flitch Win' bed sustained •
Aka, to cowpony= .eit any precee4ng of that
Wine (which heAskeety sinned), it .taught he pro.
per far his le maim This application ; hot,
seder the eirWtlit . tiressin!bricer, he had no
right to *Opt pert 11. msnaledlitg. He begged to
kuirw treat ibis Right How Fried (Mr. Wait-
_ -Av.—l__ 11.—i 11....... amnia In