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781 DAT, MAY Id.
Some private bills were brought up Iron) the Commons, and
read the find time.
The Earl of COVENTRY presented a petition from Worces-
ter, praying ter a revision of the cumin:Ll code.
'fire Olt: on the table were foraarded.
L'id St: t I ELI) presented a pent ion from the owners of laud
in the Ininrired of Iligliworth, Norfolk, compiaming of agtical•
tural distress.-al.aid on the table.
DISTRESS iN IRELAND.
Earl DARNLEY, rising to address the house, said it was
then his duty to put a question to the noble earl (Liverpool) upon
a subject which all must admit to be o; the deepest interest. The
Louie and the public knew, and his Majesty's nainisters ought to
know, that in certain districts in the south-west of behind there
had been a considerable deficiency in the crops of potatoes, which
ocedsioneit great distress. Ile could trot help feeling it was a
n., tier of much eonsolat ion to find the subject taken up so gene-
rot's'', by the • .abitante of tins country. and that a liberal
subscription her. ucen tirade. It was a matter of exultation for
the people of England to say they had ever been ready to relieve
the etistresses of Ite:and, yet he could not avoid feeling there had
been a retuissniss on the part of his Majesty's ministers, in not
foreseeing the evil, and providing something like a remedy. If
the noble earl was prepared to tell hint the Government had takers
steps to intorm themselves of the evil, and that they had taken
ad the errata in their power to obviate it, much satisfaction
would be felt by the unfortunate sutterets. As far as he bad
been informed, that had not been the case, and in consequence of
the omission the calismitoua distresses of Mut part of the country
to a loch he alluded had risen to an alarming height. Ile held
in his hand an extract of a letter received from a gentleman in
the county et Clare, who, from his situation in that county, was
entibied to make a representation upon wbrch the Lords might
rely. The *able earl read the extracts. —•• The distress of the
people here is beyond all possible descripition ; every part of the
country is in well a state of distress, that the whole assistance
raised here will not be store then a drop in the sea. Government
has really done nothing ; and it' they mean to give ti‘libtariCe, it
must be adinded forthwith, or it will conic too late." Here the
noble earl asked, whether it was not monstrous, in an empire
calling itself united, and where they had been told that super-
abundance abounds, that a part of Ireland should be in a state of
famine? If it was true that Government had been applied to,
and had taken no measure% to prevent distress and injury in that
unfortunate country, he expre,sed a hope that the noble earl
would say sot Unless the statement could be contradicted by the
noble earl, it would be the (Inv of the house to carry up an
address to the Sovereign, praying him to order Ina* u res the
most effective to relieve the sufferings of Ireland. Nothing but
the interference of Government could be effective. The noble
earl said, on a former day, that the distress was confined to a
small part of Ireland, but it ought to be known that famine
generally produced pestilence, which fright spread all over
Ireland. 'the noble earl concluded by moving an address to the
King. praying his Majesty to order a copy of the correspondence
with Government on the subject of districts in Ireland to be lard
before the house.
The Lail of LIVERPOOL said, he should trouble the house
with but few words in answer to the observations of the noble
earl. Upon some questions Government might shield itself under
theories, but there was excessive difficulty in calling upon parlia-
ment to interfere with supplies of provisions. 11 hen first the
state of Ireland was known in this country, he alluded to distress
arising from local circumstances, he was anxious that aid might
be 'Herded, without bringing the matter under the disenesion of
parliament. Net only measure% of relief would be taken. but
measures had been taken with as little delay as possible. heeds
bad been furnished fur the ensuing crops, and money supplier'.
The noble earl did not consider it necessary. unuer ail tire
circumstances,- to address the Crown, and therefore opposed the

n: Mon.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was not desirous of saying
much on the conduct of Government. but to give a melancholy
testimony of the calamity which prevailedsmot only in the county
of Clare, but other counties. In the mountainous districts of the
south west, that dis•ress prevailed to a degree which could not be
exceeded in the county
.of Clare. Ile could only repeat, that
Ireland must feel grateful to those int/irk:olds who had so gene
mushy stood forward in Enijand. At the same time, he did not
consider the assishoice afforded bis the public would be of any
real assistance, without Government took up the subject.
The Earl of BLESSINGTON supported the address moved
the noble earl. He could not be satisfied with the promise
that something would be done for the people of Ireland. The
accounts of Mistress stated, that no less that liats,ntar persons wens
in a state of starvation. This had been growing two years, and
nothing bad been done. Some time ago, whenhe applied to the
Archbishop of Tuain, respecting a statue to his late ngesty,
that prelate expressed NI a
wish that the money raised might be
distributed among the suffering Irish, who were dying in the
streets and ditches of typhus fever.
Earl GREY did not feel any objection to the address moved
titimhis noble friend. If it true that Government had taken
mely measures to providebe a remedy tor the sufferers of Ireland,
it would be satisfactory to the distressed to shear, by the produc-
tion of the correspondence, that at the same time Government
were using coercion unprecedented, they were also taking means
to alleviate distress. Could there be a more horrible picture of
Government than that presented on this occasion. Al it should
appear that ministers had done nothing to prevent distress, the
reins of Government ought to be wrested from their hands.
lord ELLENBORGEG li said, no satisfactory. answer had
been given by the noble earl as to the assistance which had been
given to Irelands and in order to see what had been done for
Ireland, they ought to have the papers moved for by the noble
rani. Ile trusted the noble earl would press the motion to a
division. He wished Government and parliament should prove
to the people of Ireland that there was a feeling to reineely their
distresses. He did not suppose that Government could remedi
the distress in Ireland to any considerable extent, but all thaa
could be done should be done.
Earl BI.ESSI GTON said, 5,0001. had been sent oft this
day for the relief of the sufferers of Clare.
Lord HOLLAN ID supported the motion.
Tile Marquis of LAN aDO WN E asked if the noble earl would
name any precise day on which insuuctions were beet to Ireland
to :Hind tenet i•
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, a few weeks since instruc •
lions were sent to I reland to impart relief to the suffering paw.
Earl of LAUDERDALE said, the object was not only to
provide a remedy, but to guard against future calamity. It the
case was true which the noble earl hail stated, trovinutuent should
have taken measures to give relief, not sonic weeks ago.lnitt some
months ago; and if the Government of Ireland bad not commu-
nicated the approaching famine to the Government of this coun-
try, they had not done their duty.
The house then divided. The numbers were, Contents. ;
Non-contents, 35. The address was consequently lust by a
majority of f 14.
*the Martini, of LANSDOWNE then addressed the house on
she subject of the proposed contract with the Bank for the renewal
of their Charter. Toe noble marquis deprecated the purposed
bargain as injurious to the pubitz. The advantage, if any could
be derived, ought not to be given to any public body, but applini
o the sinking fund. He did not wish to hitertcre with the
machinery of- the sinking fund, but if they were obliged to conti-
nue it upon a principle of conipound interest, lie was persuaded
that the fund ought to have the benefit of the present bargain.
lie wished to recommend a short bill, to enable WC commission-
cis of the sinking hued to advance the Iran which was now con-
sidered twonsary to reduce taxation. The noble marquis moveix
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for an account o all banks the country having less than s
partners.

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The lo.arl of LIVERPOOL said it was the opinion, lost war.
that it was more to the advantage of the country to let the sink..
ing fund operate! rather than contract with it for loans. That
opinion might still remain. With respect to the present trans.
helioll. to which the noble marquis alluded, his ittaiei.ty's
t Les were anxious to contract for the benefit of the public, and if
their contract was not advantageous, they would not make it. lie
had no difficulty in saying there was a prospect of a contract
advantageous to the country. There was no loan made by Go.
vernment that was not open to parliament to negative.
The motion was agreed t0..--Adjoutned.

1101:SF OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, MAY li.
Mr. LAMBTON presented petitions from Shields, Sun-
derland, &c. against the bill for repealing the nuesiation
laws. If lie were to indulge in speculative opinions, lie
should s.ippent this bill; but when he recollected how
71i property was likely to he &Reefed, and how exten-
sive a taxation was to be paid, lie feared that the
puce repeal might be attended with most set ions conse-
quences.
Mr. ELLICE spoke of the enormous expence imposed
on this country by the collectors at the different ports. At
Canada tile cellector received upwards of 3,0001 , while
such officer at New York received nut above 5..01. The
consular fees were, too, ruinously heavy. It the regula-
tions of trade net e to be Myren et), why were these not
improved at once ? these could be remedied by the wilds-
te rs.—( Hear, bear.)
Petitions read, and ordered to he printed.
The Navigation Laws Amendment bill was read a
second time. (littered to be conitunted to-muriow, as
were the oilier bills connected with this subject.
L rd EBRINGTON presented a petition from land
occupiers in Hulditworthy, Devonshire, complaining of
the unexampled pressure of taxation, atc.—•ol tiered to be
printed.
Mr. GORDON presented a petition from the ship
ownees of Aberdeen, against Mr Wallace's bill.
Capt. WESINSS piesented a petition from Fifeshire„
praying for permission to export their spirits. Such
change in the law would ;Alford means of eons aaaaa
iug
600,000 quarters of barley.—Oi tiered to be printed. _
Sir 'l'. LETHBRIDUE presented a petition hum (men_
piers of land in Somerectshire and 6loticestershite„ come
planting of agricultural (lioness, and expressing the-if
alarm at the resolutions brought forward tin the subject o
agriculture, paiticularly the resolutions from the member
for Portarlington (Mr. Ricardo.) That hon. member had
been very fire in his remarks, observing, that those who
complained of distress, and espoused the comae of the
farmers, had no reasons to urge for their statements. That
bon. member seemed to be deemed a very " God of Rea-
son." lie knew what had been the consequences of Int-
lowing the " Goddess of Reason," and lie now warned all
persons not to be led away by the (facilities of the " tied
of Reasou."—(Hear, and laughter.)
Petition read, and ordered to be printed.
LICENSING SYSTEM.
Mr. HUSKISSON presented a petition from Robert
Churchall, complaining of the defects of the licensing
.system. The petitioner set forth, that some years ago he
embanked in a large building .peculation, having built
near :.U0 houses in Stepney, in the neiglibou • hood of
which there were no houses, positisely no public houses.
Having built upwards of lOU houses, lie erected a Noose
fur a public house,one being much wanted, but lie applied
year after year to the magistrates for a licence in vain.
ile eventually sold it to a Mr. Brown, after having had it
on his baud& for yews, for 1,1001. Mr. Brown then dealt
with Barc'lay's. Desiring to get the licence, he said it
was neces sat y to change his brewers. He next dealt with
Hatileity's, and the application for the licence was i 1111 l
e-
diately granted. The house then became worth 3,4,0001.,
and Mr. B. might have sold it instantly for that sum. The
petitioner complained of this conduct. Having built 100
inure hoes es, he built another for a public house; but the
application was again refused. The petitioner complained
of this syst em, and attributed it to :he defective state cf
lie law. lie now wished to ask again whether there was
any intention to lower the price of beer? As the home had
reduced the duty, the public must have the benefit of it.
He now again asked fur intinmetioe--this war the dela
time of asking. (Hear, and a laugh.)
,11 I'. F. BUXTON said, that the licence in question was
refthied because the new house's were not itthabited; when
the contrary was the case, the licence was granted. The
other houses, to which licences were refused, were close
by that which had previously been licensed. As to the
price of porter, he had to state, that it lead been lowered
one halfpenny per pot, the reduction of the tax amounting
to wily one farthing. With respect to the general charge
of brewers' influence and interest in public houses, there
was tench misrepresentation on that subject. He v,ualii
speak of his house—they served Ititi public twines ;of
them, 105 were in the country ; 40 were their own lionses;.
22 were confined to them by large loans; but upwards id
0,0 midi houses were flee and independent of them.—
Another had said that the beer was not so stymie as it
was 1:0 years ago; in reply to which lie had to state, that
the Excise could peeve that the beer was now 115 per cent.
stronger.
Mr. CALVERT said, that the licensing system was
muc to be coplaied uf ; and if they wanted piooti of
giievahnces, hem couldn bring 100 pelitious iu a week, unfold-
ing great hardstiips.
Mr. G. BENNET said, the present fatal system was
most injurious to the morals, as well as the health of the
people ; and rather than that it should continue. he %viand
agree to compensate the brewers her the houses they heat.
the country seemed to be parcelled out aneutigst tuie
brewers, and they in too many instances eh egged the pet-
suns who woe obliged to deal with them with the moist
beer. 'little war 11.) COI rtelion for the evil but thiowitig
the trde open. Every prison w Ito ild4l Illealls to open a
housea ought to be entitled to a lier•ime ; why net
the sale of beer be a nude as open as that of der bak.et,
grocer, kc.?
elr. W HITBREAD agreed in what had fallen trout the
nir inkier for 11 icy nwutlr (Mr. Buxton), and lie wAS
glad that the bldienieut hail been made, to show that the
trade was not so cuutined as route had imagine
bllood.
shoalliap-
tre
was 110 W very extensive competition: but lue
prove of soy law that teuded to thrum the trade still enure
open, especially as tar as the biewen, were concerned ;
liuwoiri, if any change were contemplated—the idbeea
haying been mentioned that the Dade of beer ought to t
as open as that of bread —he trusted due attention %Walt
lie paid to exis!itig interest=. If the trade were thiown
upeu 50 111.1 i 11l artily, it must be ism:tided s ith exteriorise
:,,atictut
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ede
thouutiseeiso nnotwtd.in ex-

Mr. HOME moved fur returns of agents appointed at
Ce%lon, Msaritins Cape of Good Hope, Malta, &c. since
IStiO; their emoluments, duties, expenee of establish-
eu. nts, and whether holding any other appointments, iitc.
...Ordered.

Sir F. BURDETT moved for a copy o: the surgeon's
report respecting liehester gaol.—Ordered.
Mr. P. ()RESPELL wished to !corn whe'lier there
would be any objection to produce the correspondence
between the Government and the Wink, respecting the
renewal of the Bank Charter t and when it might be ex.
peeled that such subject would be mentioned to the
house.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, hn wished those roes.
times had been put when the Chancellor of the Escherpier
was in the house; the right hon. gent. was now absent,
and he (Lord L.) could not give any distinct answer.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS REPORT.

Lord LONDONDERRY moved, that the house go into
a co 11111 l Mee to take into further consideration the Agri-
cultnrai Distress Report.
Mr. ELLICE opposed the motion, that the Speaker do
leave the chair, fur the resolutions that had been proposed
were such a serifs of nostrums, as oat to merit the deli-
berate attention of the house.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished that this resistance should be
withdrawn. There were various propositions to be con.
sidered in the committee, some of them extraordinary
enough. The distresses of agriculture were acknow-
ledged, and were severe; and surely these were ample
reasons for losing no opportunity to dismiss the question,
to s•certain whether relief could be afforded in any one
of the ways proposed, or whether, in fact, any relief at all
could be granted.
Mr. ELLICE having withdrawn his opposition, the
Louse went into the committee.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY then rose, and pro-
ceeded to submit his first proposition, namely, to grant
1,000,0001. to be laid out in corn to be warehoused, thus
to relieve the farmer, and lecture him against the losses of
being compelled to go into the market when it was low.—
His lordship supported his proposition with an illustration
of lie above argument and object. Much loss haul re-
sulted to the agricultural interests from being compelled
to collie into the market when it was necessarily depressed
from the abundant supply of ecru ; and others had no
chance of coming into the market—except such relief as
was now proposed was afforded—without great and
ruinous losses. His lordship therefore trusted that the
committee world see the advantage that was likely to be
produced by adopting that resolution. It would afford
considerable 'chef, and relief too of the most valuable
kind, because it would he immediate. His lordship con-
cluded by moving, "'fiat it is the opinion of this com-
mittee, that his Majesty be enabled to direct Exchequer
bills, to an amount not exceeding 1,00,40001.. to be issued
to commissioners of Great Britain, to !re by them ad-
vanced, under certain regulations and reattictions, when-
ever the average price of wheat shall be under tiOs. per
quarter, upon each corn, the growth of the United King-
dom, as shall be deposited in tit and proper warehouses."
A discussion of some length followed, in which several
members took a part.
Mr. BROUGHAM opposed time measure. He was
willing to admit that measures similar to this had been

adopted for the relief of certain manufacturing classes;
but in the present case he was convinced it could do no
good. It we proposed to advance money, riot to that/-•
who most wanted it, those who had no corn, but who had
corn still left to sell. This would be still further to dis-
tress those already overwhelmed, as it would have the
effect of advancing prices in the market, when those indi-
viduals wattled to come in as purchasers for food for their
labourers and families, and seed for their land,
Pits. HUSK IS iON said he had opposed this mrawre when
proposed in the committee, and would oppose it now.
After suer• further observations from other members,
Lord LON DON DERRY oksersed, the propusitiou was
not hiss he had only brought it forward ut the request of
others, arid would now, with the leave of the House, with-
draw it.—(Hear.)—The resolution was accordingly with-
drawn.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, he would bring forward
bus second resolution to-morrow.
Mr. BROUGHAM advised the noble Lord to let. the se-
emul resolution follow the first.
Lord LONDONDERRY could not agree to this propo-
sition. The first resolution he had felt Ito interest au, but the
second was that which eruhruced the main question, and he
wished it it/ be fully discussed.
It was then filed that the discussion on the second reso-
lution should be brought forward to-morrow.
The other Orders were dispus..cl •f, rid the House ads
jourcied at elesen o'clo, k.
TVLSDAY, JUT fr.

Mr. BRIGHT preheated a petition from Bristol, prnying
the noose would adopt measures to mitigate the severity of
the criminal code.
The Marquis of CHAN DOS presented a petition from the
farmer, in the its ighilolll hood of Aylesbury, complaining of
agricultural dihttCO, and praying that the House would nut
adopt the revolutions of Mr. Ricardo.
Mr. HUG DA LE prevented a petition from drys:Otero and
bacon curets of Bitinengbasn, plaiiiing of the inequality
of duties between them and the bacon curers of Ireland ; the
Printer had to pay 301. duty, where the latter paid only 41.
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from the separatists of
Limesar k, pray Mg that alio Witness similar to thine extended
the Quakers would lie granted to them.
Mr. F. !BUXTON bole testimony of the respectability of
the petitioners.
A similar petition was presented from the separatists of
Looduo.—Severally ordered to he printed.
Mr. 11U MIL complained of the non .returns of newspaper
ndheriisi matt accounts that lord pleviuutly been ordered.—
/le said that the Governineat were in the habit of making
the most shameful use of the press. To those papers which
held an extensive eirculutioo they did not send advertise.
areuht but those o. Imrted circulation—to promote their
own political views—they sent their adveritheineuth„ some.
lanes at great espence. Amongst vttrioos inhtalices of
abuse, he them Mired that in one paper proclamations had
heen continued (or three yews after the object of them had
ceased.—(shear, hear.)—lle also adverted to the complete
exclusion of Government advt., ti•erment front the New IWO 5,
on account of the political condor* they had put-hoed, not.
their great circulation —Accounts oidered.
Mi. (HET W I presented the report of the vagrant
Loh coosolidation bill. There were Wilily It ineioloolits,
and he hoer& Ilist in its iste•ent furor, it would be found to
be usetul.-14cwort ordered to be further considered on
Muuday twat.