The National Register.
London, England, 1820-09-03 00:00:00

THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

PROCEEDINGS IN THE HOCSE.OF LORDS

YESTERD.IY.

After Prayers the Lord Chancellor a Iverted to the course
follow ed in t he Knighton ease, is here, oil a similar objection
mode by the Attorney General of that day, to the reading of
letters, MT. Wards, the opposite Couiteel, put the letter in
Isis pocket, and said no more about it,
Luui-e Dumont was then brought to the harond Mr. W
il-
limits resumed the cross •examination.
Where did you go to when you quitted the service of the
'Queen /—To Jwatzerhod.
Did you go to tile house of your father ?—I have no
father, but I went to my 'wither's.
Is nut your mother marred a =tin ?-11"s.
How long did you remain with your father and mother
after you returned I—About a year anti a imolai.
W Ito desired you to go tit England to he r xamiuctl I—Mr.
Sarcliiiii came for me on the part of the Comm is.,itto.
Where dm you know him bef.lre he come for you?—ln
the house of the Princess.
Then Sin:china had also been in t lie service of the Princess?
—Yes.
When lie came for you he was, I suppose, uo longer in
that service?—Nn.
Asia at that time he was in the service of the Milan Com-
mission% 1-1 do not know in what service Le was.
(: I understood you tightly, sou said yesanday that you
were uuly-exantinrd once sit Milan I—l was examined only
once at Aldan, but wits several days tooter examisettiOn.
Yost have been shiee examined io Ed.:land have not
been ex:ituitied, hut I have been sworn once P—l have out
been e =Lanni d.
When ss ere y 11U
.54V0,11 1- -About two months ago.
Ily w 1%11111 1-4 0) a Nlagistrate whom I do not kcaw, at
the house of Mr. Fussell.
You were regular ly sworn on a book I—l kissed the book
as I did here.
You kissed the book to the truth of your deposition
Yef.
Mr. 1111013 G 11.301 here observed, that. w hat wer rstizlit
be the pia., sieges of their Lordships' (foam-, there a;as sat
instance in tire proceeilittgs uf Courts cf.lu.licr, in which it
ails allowed that a witness, who had been previously ex-
amined awl sworn before a Nlagistrate could be prodaced as
evidence. •
Mr. IS ILLI ANIS said a few. words in support of this
LIN sse
the LORI) CII A NcELLoit said that lie was decidedly
of uponupiuiuu the object inn dot nut 4 tfect the compel...my of the
w hos is, although it might affect a witness's credibility, uc-
cord tog to the circimistanees of the case.
The crass-e X:0111130011 was then resumed.
I understood you to say, first, except out the occasion of
your swearing to your siepositions, and when you were exa-
mined at Milan, yon %sell' not examined at all? -No.
Mr. WILLIANIS then said. that he and his Learned
Friends would have two of the letters, which had loom ac-
knowledged by witness, read to the /louse. The third letter
they would not read, as nothiug occurred to t'irs'is relative
to the cross-es:animation which required to be read.
'l'lte LORD Cll ANCELLOR supposed the letters we e
to be read ste"reealtly to the Resolution of the 'louse • es-
terday, amid tier Cottni.el assenting, one of the letters aas
handed to the Interpreter, The 1.....1-Chancellor observed,
that after rise letters bad been read in Freach, he thought
it would he adsiseattle for a translation of it to be made
which both the Intel preters s lio old agree upon.
Mr. BROUGH AM thou4ltt that, to sate their Lordships
time, the better way should be to have the French copy
read first, and then that, o lido the Interpreter was rending
a translation of it, the other Interpreter shout) be in pos-
session of the oriental, nod cheek the reader as he swot on.
After the letters from the witness Dumont was read, a l'eer
asked to know the dite of thy second letter, The cross-extunina-
tion was then resumed.
IVas the journal, of which you have made mention, a journal
comprising the whole time you were will the l'riucess ?
The So:tenor General objected to this questimo
iNlr. Williams— It is surely comeeteav for use to ask the wit-
ness, whether she kept a journal during the whole time she was
in the setrice of tie Princess. The question is the simple filet,
whether, during the whole titer: she was in the service of the Prin.
miss, she kept that journal ?
The Solicitor General requested that the short hand writer
would read the question. It wag then mutt
The Solicitor General again objected to the question.
Mr. Williams....since then you have taken the trouble of
making the objections, I beg that a decision may. be nixie.
The Lord •Chancellor... The Judges are of opinion, that the
question may be pm. The question was then repeated. and an-
swered thus do not think tt contained the w stole time.
Did it not contain the greater part of it ?...Y es.
)you net in that letter State. that while. you were taking
/40111 e refreshment at your aunt Clerc's. a person, unknown, des
sired to deliver a letter to you ?...I have always said that this
letter was a doable cult:mire between my sister :aid myself.
Is it true or is not true, that it person unknown desired to
to deliver you u letter, while you wise taking some refreshment
at your aunt Clere's ?...lf I may have por,nission. wt.
plain every thiug relating to that letter.
First of all, I beg you to answer this ipte4ion ?...is it true,
or is not tine (here the question was repeatedly ....I have once
received a letter without a signature
Was that letter delivered by an unknown peison while you
were taking refreshment at your aunt Cit. te's?...L do net recoliect
whether it was at toy aunt Cleve-s, but a letter was sent me te
Calumbia.
Was it delivered there at Columbia. or elsewhere ?...I do not
recollect when it was given me.
Ido not ask that, but I ask you, did an tusk gown person de-
liver you such a letter /—I have said that 1 received 3 letter
at Co:umbia, but I do not recollect who delivered it.
I ate now alluding to the letter which has been just rend.
Did YOU receive dint later t was a Letter eittliont a signature.
but It did not contain what you (the I weirder% have wad.
'l' lien it was not true, that whilc'yott were taking reflesliment
at your aunt Clete's, ton did receive a letter proposing to you to
go to London, %doer the pretence of being a Gurauessl...l do
not recollect whether I tiveivtal it.
But did you re. e;ve n letter like that 1...1 at:circa a letter.
but it did nut contain the expressions you have total.
I rid it contain any proposition ao go to London wish to
explain my,
I wish ynu to answer the question. Did you, or did tam not,
receive a proposal to go to London ; answer my questom, and
explain as long as you like 1-1 receive.l a Liter wiittit snit:, I
should be plaeed ;as a Governess, II 1 could c,:a. a Late to re-
commendatiou.
t'l'he witness here observed, I wish now to say why I wrote
this letter to toy sister.]
I will go back to the time that I was dismiised from her Royal
service. The saute evening that I was
from the service of tier Royal I wnspucpanug le-vast
the followingniorning. %Own Mr. Berg-anti can..: into my n-• 0,
Mr. Williams objecaal so any oonversittioa belt eta the wit-

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nris 'and Iterginni, when the Princess was not present, isenig
given in evidence.
The Selieitor General said, that the witness called aeon to
explain her conduct on a certain occasion, and of course it was
necessar y to explain all the eiremurances necessary far the pur-
pose of elucidating it.
The Leta Chancellor said, that the evidence wenkl not prove
the fact, but that it might be •almitted in explanation of the con-
duct of the witness.
The witness then proceeded' Mr. Betvami came into my
chamber, and said that her-Royal !lief nc-s wished to dismiss
my sister also, on my conduct ; 1 said that I was sorry, because
my sister had no fortune at home, and she could nut live at home..
I iere:ested Mr. Bergami to speak re, the Princes., in order that
she might keep my sister. Ile pr raised That he would do
but at the same time advised me to write a letter to her Ittfyal
iliAlmees, because she was marl offended with•nte, awl two:e-
mended it to me to ask her redone 1 wrote the lettor at Pesaro.
the following morning, to my sister. Ile reconnui•nded me,
when I write to my sister. to write nothing that could prejudice
the Princess against me. I promised, on the contrary, to do every
thing in my power that might enable her to keep her place. P
wrote to her Royal Hightiess,ahsr, that letter that was dated from
Rimini, and I write to my sister several other times. • I alwilys.
in these letters, spoke favourably of her Royal flightless, because
I lossw they would be intercepted. About the.same time having
thr: twat au intention of quitting I .ausanne and cowing to. Englane. .
I wrote that letter to my sister, infirmity, her that I recta red 'a
letter, promising that I should be placed in the situation of a
governess. At the same tune, bei:!g afraid that the Prncess
would dismiss my sister, I wrote to her; and as I dare not' write
freely, for fear the letter would reach her Royal Highness, I
Daunt to tell her, that it' she were dismissed, I should pity for, her
journey. and find the means of procuring a situation fee her.
SVilea 1 left the Princess she seemed afraid that 1 -would speak'
against her; and as I knew that she received those letters, I wished
to convince her that I would not speak against. her,. Clyne. to
England. I had often hail euestions put to me in conversation,
concerning the conduct of die Princey ; and I always itvoidid
saying what took place in the house.
Cross-examination resumed by Mr. Williams—Consider, now,
I pray you, before you. answer. litre you any further eaplans.
flatten to give ?...I wish to convince the Princess, that though
questions might be put to me, money would not tempt ate—
IA letter was here handed to the witnes.) That was one of the
criers she received ; she believed it to be in the hand-writing of
the Princess of-Wales. but could not swear positively. S:ie had
proffered to write to M. Sacehi, to brave the truth to him; hut
this Bert,eami opposed. Ile accused her of having passed a nigut
in the corridor with Saceld ; she said her sister welt present. and
she calla affirm that witness had slept with her. The. charge
made by Berinuni was false.
ht her examination by the Peers, in answer to a qestion by
Lord Limerick, the witness said, the great bed was pressed down
and the coverlet stained. She had teen unable to &swathe
this on her first examination, on account of the indelicacy.
In answer to questions from several .I.enls (Cray and others),
the witness could not recollect what she meant by that-Passage in
her letter, in whieb she said the Princess was surrounded by
spies, its the later had been so long written. • On the repetition
of the question, after several indirect &misers, she acknowledged
that the Princess told her she was surrounded by spies and bitter
enemies. The passage in the original letter was then reial, when
she give the same answer. She acknowledged that the -letter as
to the promises held out to her, was received by her. She did not
recollect whetl,wr she had said any thing about a clue; but on
parting, they eoueerted together to lust marks on -our letters
which nobody could understand bet-ourselves— her sister said
she would use sonic marks, but witness did not retollect what
they were. Notwithstanding what she had seen at Baroma, she
was still anxious that her youngest si.tur should remain the
service of the Princess. By the word titwalrellse, as avplied to
the dress of the Princess at. the theatre of St. Charles.'was meant,
that it was out of all shape, said by sonic person to be a common

ret cloak
About three o'clock the witness retired for about half. an hour.
On her return, the only material Ailing to which she swore was.
that, with some trifling, cieeptions,her pauses of the frincimi, iu
the letters which were read, were si•werc.- After a few questions
the witness was ordered to withdraw, and the House tabouruesi
at four o'clock.

..lnerelote towards the History of the spaulsh JsrJmsttto s.
—lViteit (eeileral Lisalle entered Toledo, heauntiedi-
ately visited the Palace of the Inquisition Tike great
number of the instruments of torture, espeCiaJly the in-
strument to stretch the limbs, the drop .batli kalreativ
known) which cause a lingering death,. ex,ated hot ror
even itr the minds. of the soldiers hardened itethe held
of battle. Only one of these instruments, singular in
its kind,•for *refitted torture, disaraceiM to reason and
rekgiou in the choice of its object, seems to deserve a
particular description. In a subterraneouss vault ad-
joining the Secret Audience Chamb stood, in a recess
in the wall, a wooden statue made by the "hands of
Nlmiks, representing—who would hdlieve 011411 e
• gin Mars. A gilded Glory beamed rotund her head, and'
site held a standard iii her right hated. lentitnetli:tely
struck the spectator, notwithstanding the ample folds
of the silk garment which fell from .the shonider • on
both sided, that she wore a hreag plate. lipon.4 Elmer
examination it appeared that the whole front cf 4tie
Lolly WJS COVCfeir Svith extremely sharp nails, and small
blades of knives with the points projectinc
'Fite arms and hands had joitits, *and th-eir notions
directed by inachitiory placed lit hind the partitiOn. One
of 11w screams of the Inquisition, who was present, sear
or.lered by the Generiil to make the Illit•A • manteu, e,
as he expressed Itiiiiielf. A, the statue Extended its
arms gradmilly drew them 'bark, as if she would AT, e-
tionately press somebody to her heart, the
knapsack. of a Polish grenadier SITV)I led for this time the
poor victint.—Ttie ..tame prcssv.l it closer and clo,or,
and when at the command of the.G.siteral, the director
of the machiaery Wade it open its amts and return to
its first posiiiim, the kilap4ach; was rerved two or three
niches (kg', and remained hatyitigup..trthe nails and
knife htides. It is remarkable, that the 14,11i:inane. had
'be w.ekedries, to call this itastruinent of V.if:'.4t.t.
Di lorosa—nut: the deeply afflicted, pain eiviiii•osZ,
plely tint words, the iiaiti.givine--Motner.tif. (Sod.

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Non li:cordu ; or, Snot lr MEmoay.--Thee
words, made so common by the froquent repotition
of them-by llto first tritnAs vginst the. Queen, aye
well known on the Continent.. At the t'l6lis 12 w 1,
nn Italian Vendor Of a fictitious Miteavar Oil, being
interrupted by an Englishtientlenurr as to hiving
sold, hint the tulle for the genuine, replied, No .• mi
ltcca ido —Signor Itoliatio. This c.liarietan had al-
ways itowland's mune taxed to th-,- trash he sold ;
but when tiUdstion•A it vita—Non.n:i Ricordo.

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Q.,e.n'a Ts coistinhtd jioN Fke.

PO .Seim; nuv other oil the (Item
or Deigastii in the him:, bed it Oll
Do yen 1,1,1mi11/re, in the tent ,lept in,
Seeing any halide ail Iterttnitii'd doe, '?
—I siit. lit nothing
Di liitiong. to Vergatoi, but C 14111104144)
Dr, :SUM icitienilier sot) hulls ut Ow D.,' ?—Yea.

..o tulrad..l those ?-1101,ple of 1,,w cotatiiioll.
I) .1 ) r 'trot the p. incur mkt Hergluoi speak of per.
.ifielllicg the 4311 ?—Yes.
I).d ,eni ;.1 olutervatitms I/11 ti e eundurt of
pe totem:tog Ihr !101l 5
ill you Is II w. w ye sow in the condtiel persons
sit t ball. 10 i• • itretwnt eof her Hopi, 111,41suess ?—lit
the pre.euce of 111.1- Ituyul Hightless f SiltV nothing
p.r., i color.
'tl' holt ou a eft. at Coals; hue. d:d nu co to Ilaio,?-1'r.'.
1 hd her 111,:t1 111,.huess t.leep there ? 1 es.
1)1,1)011 ste kr Royal Highness in k r ?-1 taw the
Ps iuress iu her pw,t..

11 as three au cola in the room 1-1 don't ',now whether
ligete %skis ally euta, I.ut there %tie tau chairs near each
Uttar. t rattier I hiiik it ter .s a sofa.

11' heti )6.0 went into Ib.• Prinee,b's room in the evimini;,
pit, I:14: Prisatt,,llleto ?

Wit.' *fir 111.ille, or wl; no) 'lesson with her ?-13crgitali
was with her. It ilight, between day and slight %%hut
I cid/red.

Wab the Priocetas statuNot: or sluing i—She tins sitting.
Win-te troy Bert:mai:— SittinA by the '4de of her.
1)1.1 ton. o:oerve the Moil or mni of Vcr.r:l,ll, where it
N.: ? r;:a web arm oas placed round beeK..)ulllißhoe s.
I.k.,Litbe how )1111 111,'4111. hitlll what 11:111, 1110 tune
It eat Dial rou..tt lair

1V L'ic did the 14;:tul cunt: l—'llouud her waist.
il/bW VIZII4 the Pt Owes. ?-11er head 111.111 Icuuing 1111
1k1.Z:11111.1/ 11!111.

!Jayne go from Min's to Vierion
Du you retnemiler ilmit on) occasion, tlergan ii going
flout lit r Iligheess :it the Viiht Cnptiti, w Pesaro?
Tell us what passed between them?—They took each
other by the hand. The Prineem " mon
,:hcr and liergaini ISWCI 4:11 " n ns'reroir Prinet.s."
At the time the Printeas lived et N..i le,. had shoanv
Chaph.ins who formed part of her suite ? she 11:111.
Itsrs were regularly said in the house aceortliog to
the Pi uttstatit form of worL,liip ?—Ves.
IViis it so at the Villa V4lLui, the Carona, or the Villa
DT.ste P—No.

Did you ever see it niter you Ivrt Naples I—N .
Did you ever be e het Roy al Iliihirss go to churches
with Berg:mil—l'M
Tell ors %hal she did saw her 0.,c e cal! on her knees
by side of Derganii.
Did you ever hear her say any thing about Ilergaini's
(Adieu i.—Nes.

Do you remember her saying any thing about Masses;
Yea.

Teti s, what it wns ?—tibe said else intended to have
hla»cs said for it.e sold of Old Itergand. (A laugh.)
Did net Itoya; flightless ever say any thing to you afloat
the Cass:tio of Milan ?—lies, lier Royal Highness said, it
11.,“1 been pot to the vote, whether the should no admitted
to_ Cassino of Milan, and decided in the negative.
1)o you rctuentber at the Villa d'Este a chair: which
meta snot litels?—Yes.
_

Have Yen' bk:Vil the Princes* and Bergand in that chair?
1 have seen t'.c.th play seith that enair.
v, ha seas iti it 1-1 dont tecullect.
I)W ett ever see her Royal If ielmesa and Berganti in
the kitchen at the Villa d'Eate i-1 then them twice,
What did they do I—They had soinetliMg to eat.
After a few Inure questa/ail, t! e SoliciZor-General ended
s examinntion in chief.

'the Earl of LIVERPOOL th.tl rose, and suggested
that it might be advisable to adjonro, ratbet than begin
toe . xamination. The l.teest's Attioney General
might cuter upon a Meg nosa examination, pet haps, and
it would be better to begin to-morrow mornitig.
After a few observations fi Lin the Lind chancellor and
Mr. Brougham, the proposal was agreed tu, mid the
House adjourned at a quarter before Four o'clock.
I,I:IDAY, %FPI. 1.
?It ten minutes be•fot e ten, the Lord Chancellor entered
the House, and prayers has big hero said, and the list of
names called over. Consist] were calk in at ten minutes
past ten.
Cross-1,411511111411011 of Mademoiselle Louisa Dumont.
Mr. ‘Villiam, pt acceded to the el us..ysimintation of
Louisa Dumont at pi eeisely a (patter alter ti it.
First question.—l understand you 11-Winked that you
base bceu in Eitglaiiii thirteen moons ?-I'oll.
flare yon been out of England derive that time P— NO.
I ntulerstand you to say that you did not understand
English understand English a little, but not to speak
is a•iub vase.
I lav e you had any lessons in English P—Ves.
How lung Laic you takeli lessons iu English 3—Forr or
five months licili:y; I do not recollect exactly.
as that op to the present time, or lime Lack P—l have
been these two last months without taking lessons.
Hair you nut spoken English at all ?-,—SolliefieleS.
1/i:1)011 unite' stand the questions yesterday put to yOO
bettor the) Si et e anslated ? ts ; I eau 111,41116ti.111.;
English better than I can speak it ; because I speak
it to make myself nutlet stood easily.
Though you could not explaiii yoorself, you conk! un-
derstand ytsterilay without expli.liation r-1 did nut
lerstand 011, but I undetstoutl one qui htiun which his
;Majesty's solicitor General put to me yesterday.
Well, du you memo to represent, ilcit of the numerous
spies:ious put to you by his Majesty's Solicitor
you only understood mitt till they were trans.ated P-11
model stood sonic, but not all ; besides, 1 did nut under-
;stand so perfectly :is to he able to aisswt r them.
Have you umL• I. 1.,..' wo.t of the qu..stiuus.—yes, or no?
—1 understood !..me tit Ibeto.
The greatly' ur the lesser smother did yott understand
itini.:rstood bil!lle of those which side shorter.
Since you have• bet n iu England, have you always borne
the 811111 e 1./11:110111? —No. I base had
ano-
ther na:ne.
11 it is not troublesome, be so good as to tell me what
that notate was P—l tuck a carte trum the place ill wl.ich I
was born, Womble.
Did you take the title also of the Countess Culunibie ?

Nur ever were so called was once; I was called so
Dot once

Ily once, do you wexu one timel—l nieou only by uur
pctson.