The National Register.
London, England, 1821-05-27 00:00:00

(Imperial Parl;ament cartinuediram page (163.
sinus were graciled to 11.0t11 CW111:1114 and Shen to Burke
and inch was U r iiillueime of had precedent, that ever since,
men, wnnten,and rhildi en, front all quarters is ere quartered
upon this fund. Decency certainly was observed for 110111 C
time; but now the a hole fund was swallowed sip by lords
and Indies, inemlicis of that house and thi.ir comic( lions.—
The law, bevel Owlet's, could out be almietl--and all he cal-
led fur, by leis contempl.iird iesulatimis, was that for the
future there 1,1 Id be no pensiosui granted out of this fund—
that the ditty, to, thr contrary, should be appropriated to the
purposes named by the low. This, he thought, under the
particular condition of our finances, would not be asking too
much ; nod it the 'louse did not acquiesce ill such tit °position,
lie knew art a hat could he mole disgraceful to the house.
As to the I/1111 t pokes' of Barbadoes only—he
was a illing that the quest inn should he referred to a select
committee, to be amnia ited by the post •nt PI they
pleased. If these a ere slot too fair propositious, he knew
nut what he could ,m4est that was likely to be snore accept-
able In that house.—(Hear, hear 1)-11e coot laded with
moving resolutions secoidingv.
Mr. F PALMER seconded the motion.
Mr. (OULItUItN ruse to oppose the motion. All those
lits had spoken on the subject, un former occasions had been
gushy of erns, tnisrepresentaiions ; r•r instance, in a pamphlet
addressed " to the circuits of Bleat Britain," it was Mid

that the fonds o ere almost %holly sit allowed up by petisinos
to bads, ladies, members of mrliatuent, and their ciiildren;
when, in troth, of the produce of 182(1, out of 25,0001. there
was a sum of 16,0001. expended for 11.•ibarloes. The ques-
lion at issue was in reality between the colonies and Gaul
Brituin ; if the funds were to be so appeopriated, would out
the euluoies diminish the amount, so that there would be no
advantage to ibis country. lie conic wird, that the con-
stratum' of the Acts of linthadoes and other Islands had
hi en bet oven the crown sod the colonies what it now was.
concluded with musing the previous question.
Mr. BERNAL traced the history of the duties, and the
rapacity oh Chailes's Hollister) to get all the money possible.
The duty in its (night was not n legal imposition. Some of
the members of the !tornadoes legislature resisted the mea-
sure of 1603, for which they were imprisoned; but the Act
find the sanction of an miss illiug iissealbly. But the real
subject of the duty, he thought, bail been pow c.fully and
fluty stated by his lion. friend (Mr. CI retry) near
After some fin ther observations firm Mi. Dome nud Sir
C. Long, the hews divided.-1 he numbeit were—for the
previous question, 72—Fur the motion 50.—The motiou was
of course lost.
Mr. WILLIAMS afterwards obtained leave to bring in a
bill to regulate forty-shilling freehold voters, ill certain
boroughs and cities.
Mr. SCARLETT concluded n long and able exposition us
the present state of the poor laws,l)y moving the second
reading of hi- bill for amending those laws.
Sir R. WILSON declared bit decided opposition to the
measure proposed by his Lon. I. lend, o bich consideted as
gross violation of the rights of the poor, nod wliii h, be
contended, could not by possibility be adopted in the pre-
sent situation of the poor of this country. They at present,
though noxious to [dill au holiest livelihood, could not get
employ. We had by our political measures, deprived the
poor of those resources which they could have derived from
their industry, and haviog done an, hating deprived thew of
the power of obtaining the means of lire themselves, they had
a right to look for hose memo from the more fm tenure port
of their fellow-creatures, who bail the power of dispensing
them. He molested against this measure, as an invasion of
the statute of F.141:1 eth, tiniest IQ considered as the Wages
Charm of toe lily.srties of the pour; nod, es such, lie would
defend that statute on their behalf. lion. member next
proceeded to comment on the inarria,e clunse, aid con.
tended, tort the inevitable elfricis of men a claufe must he to
destroy all our iiistiiiii toils, and to °verbal' till our
enacted In geoid the elrio ity mod 'lariats of the lower orders.
Ile concluded by derliii hi-, that till be saw every possible
mode of retrenchment and economy uilopied in the penile
expenditure, he never would consent to adopt the measure
of his hon. friend.
Mr. F. LEl{ IS strongly supported the second reading
of the bill.
Mr. BEN ETT (of Wilts) did not consider the present
poor laws as defective—the fault rested in their adminis-
tration. To ()velvet or alter them in the Ill:11111er proposed
would, in his opinion, prove dessruclive to numbers of
the poor. As to the increase of population, he could not
agree that, genet ally speaking', that could be an till.
—lt might, perhaps, be au evil et the present moment,
owing, to the slate of the COUlllvy ; hot whilst we were a
couutty importing ptovisiotio, aunt whilst we had lands
uncultivated to tits exteitt of Xi millions of acres, would
any one say we had an excess of population i He should
feel it his duty to oppose this bill in every stage.
Mr. iIARBOItH suppoi lel the hill.
The Marquis of LONDON EItRY would suggest to
Me turnout:role and Icained gentientan that he shotild
withdraw his motion for the present, and 411011111 get his
additional clauses primed, in order that the house might
look at his ineasitie rub a whole, and then fix as eat ly a
day as possible for the Wither consideration of the sob
ject.
Mr. CALCRAFT concurred with what had fallen from
the noble mat 'lois. lie thought that it would be beater
for his lion. and trained Iciend to take the debate on the
measure at some intuit+ singe, alter the bill had been
re-prated.
Mr. SCARLETI said that he should have no objection
to go into the conumitee inala»ter, it lie had had Lis chows
ready. One of those to which he hail alluded he had
prepared contemporaneously tilt It his hilt ; bet the other
clauses ''u aunt eunfess litat he had not ready, nor could
lie get ready vs ithotit a day of leisure to hint 'elf. If the
house would allow him to take the second trading now,
lie should he prepared to propose his clauses to the com-
mittee oh Monday next.
MvlttripoLlS ROARS CRIPPS supported
the motion.
Mr. DENISON opposed the motion.
Mr. J. SM iTH was ill favour of it.
31r. 1110 LIME SUMNER was against the bill.
Sir EDWARD 11.1SKICIIIILLL expressed a similar
opinion.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS di I not think the bill calculated
to accomplish its object ; he must therefore oppose it.
Sir E. HARVEY opposed the motion.
Sir JOHN SI:HRH...HT praised the exertions of the
committee from which the bill emanated.
Mr. LALCRAFT mu ved that it be committed this day
erre months.
The House then divided—For the .ntruediate re-com-
mitment, 33 I Against 31...--The Bill was tuereloru lost.