The National Register.
London, England, 1819-06-14 00:00:00

JUNE 14.

try. It wits for the principle of economy that he combatted, 'nd
against that principle ministers as vehemently contended. Ilia
friends had tried diem upon the question of the two I.orfs of the
'Admiralty. (ILAN hear). These Lards had only Loool. a piece,
an that the saving which they had proposed only anwomed to
u,nool.per annum; this, it was said, was scarce worth talking
about; lie allowed it; but maintained that the principle tin
which the reduction was founded was invaluable. The Hon.
Member then adverted to the magnitude of our military emit-
• lishinects, which, if they were not reduced speedily, would end
iu our total ruin. Much had been said of the imposing attitude
which we preserved towards Europe ; he wished to know which of
aline two attitudes was the most imposing—to keep up a large
army wkese expenses we could not pay, or s small army whose
expenses we could pay. and whose numbers we could increase
whenever ve chose or had occasion for them. But then it wad
hard, very loud, to part with a little patronage (laughter) ; yet
lifore they tatcd the meanest beggar in the country, lie had a
right to say to them, " Show me that you have avoided all un-
necessary expenditure." litil this his Majesty's Nlinisters could
not show, because they had been guilty of die most profuse ex •
travagance. The army, however, was not the only department
of our expenditure in which great savings might soon be accom-
plished. Tire expenses of many of our colonies might be dimi-
nished; a consolidation of offices under the revenue might take
place, and the office of a third Secretary of State, as he (Air. 'l'.)
had once proposed, might be entirely abolished. Indeed. he saw
no inure reason fora third Secretary of State than lie did for a
third Arcbbishop. (Much laughter.) " Bat then," say the
supporters of the present systeni, " if these reductions are made,
no administration can possibly stand." He maintained. that any
administration which owed its continuance in po .ver to such sup-
port as this extravagance supplied, ought not to stand for a single
moment; and added that no adinini-tration could he strong in
public opinion except that which took care that every farthing of
matey exacted from the pubhc was expended in real and not in
nominal servico. For his own part, he (Mr. Tierney) was sure
that if they had the money given them, the (-moors, woold heat
no mare about their economy till they had occasion to apply for
some again ; for he was certain, that in their nature; they ab-
horred economy, and that they would never practice it unless
it were forced upon them in future as it had been forced upon
them in the past. Whenever and wherever they had resorted to
it, they had riwortol to it to stifle what they called the clamour
and impatience of the populace; (Hear.) and had never made
any reductions voluntarily, earstpt tho,e which were occasioned
by the transition from war topeace. kI I ear.) He again repeated,
that great reduoiotis must be made. if the Government wished to
render the taxes at all palatable. ; and concluded his speech by
observing, that he should not ay any thing at tint time regarding
the particular taxes which it was proposed to levy. as his ohjec•
fiat was to the levying of new mats at all. He then moved the
previous question, and sat down awid long aml loud cheers front
both sides of the !louse. . . .. .

l.ord CASTLEREAGH maintained, that the present edminis•
tratiun had proceeded with the utmost rapidity in making all the
economical arrangements in theirpowcr„ especially in the army,
navy, and ordnance departments. His Lordship was disposed to
complain of some of the other observations of the Hight Hon.
Gent. and particularly of those which were intended to convey a
false impression into the country. Surely this attempt was not
only unworthy of the high station which the Hight lion. Gentle.
man held in the House, and of his great knowledge upon sub-
jects of this nature; but v:ry !ewly half his address had been
employed in insinuating alarm into the minds of public creditors,
that Ministers were meditating a breach of faith ; that the ob-
ject of the proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was
the destruction of the Sinking Fund as established by Mr. Pitt,
end afte:wards modified by Parliament. 'Vet nothing could be
more unfon.oled anti) such a supposition. Nothing like an in-
vasion of the Sinking Fund had been contemplated. His Lonl-
ship was pereuaded that not a single observation had fallen from
his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) in the
course of the session, that was inconsistent with the perfect ope-
ration of the Sinking Fund Act. At the same time Ministers did
not mean to assert that the provisions of that Act, at all times,
and under all circumstances could be literally executed. The
&sr eel:stifle which the country ought to look at in a fearless
and a manly way was, whether it ought to be satisfied with its
financial situation in dine of peace; or whether some effort
ought trot to be made to enable it to meet the burdens of a new
war, should such calamity unfortunately visit us.—(Near, hear.)
His lordship went Olt 10 contend that a saving of e,000,000i.
annually wne ndit•sedicient to enable the country to nivel
with firmness rbe shock of a Mere war. The mho lion.
gent. hod taunted him with opinitim he (Lord Castlereagh)
ha 1 expremed early in the session. Ills !ordahip mould nut
retract one bole of what he had then advaisred, not because
he aas roltamed to do so if truth would a errant him, but
because all he had asserted hadlieu borne out by 14U1KWIlUCIll
inquiry, Ile had maintained that tlw country was in a state
of prosperity, and he ova* wilting to rest the count lumina
solely upon the es idenee of the hut,. inenthe for Lancaster.
Ile kid also col.tended that their ore. se fair prospect of far•
ther i pouvemeut ; and *lo had +eon wool to contradict him?
Hu lot dship shiord consider the Indian in ft proud sitting
in point of finance, with a sinkinz fitful of 8,s00,00;11 , and
an almost inexhinist,hie reset se of 13,000,0001. In the shape
of a properly-to s. should the threats of a donne enemy and
the dangers 'sr tile Isingdittn reader it in ressary for ministeis
to call spun Paoli: wit for a renewal of that mighty source
of revenue. Hun ever min BIM; a minister might be upon
points of specalidive policy to call for ibis aid, )et his lord-
ship confided on the ettergy and %Wain of the nation no
grunt it, should a ease of necessity mdse. It had already
cousented to the sacrifice on the return of Ruonaparte f
Elba; and be did not doubt that, should a new expensive
war visit the COMM', the govern rut mould again he armed
with this massive and impregua hie shad& ( Continued cheers.)
His Lordship thought that he had slow occupied quite as
much time an was necessary ul a matter so plain to all
who wets disposed id) are: the mirstioti merely resolved
itself into flits paint—ought the country to be satisfied
with its fine tidal don ition? The eight hon. geld. himself
wits far fru", urine satisfied noon it : he eeemed to hold
out a prospect that lie *until have made a much greater
effort i that instead of 3,0.0,14), )1. of lase-, it hr had been
minister, he would have pro/merit itoopoot.; his advice
upon this and some other subjects might he weiy good,
but his Lordeldp dunlited whether the country would he
willing to pay the additional 7,0110,0 01. to obtain it, His
whole speech went to show, that nli aa titters world to be
turned oat of their places, because they did not propose
10,000,000 i.: at all events, an effort aught to he made.
The present government thought 3,000,0001. eull). ieule
and they had also thou.tlit it better to submit it to Pat lie-
meat rather than to the province.. The next poled oats,
was the present the fir tittle for making an 01Will011 Upon
that his Lordship nislard to juice issue, end he was as little
apprehensive for the result as he bad been on • former
night, when the confidence of the Howie had even eaceed-
ad his most sanguine expectations. Then it was the grand
question, for which the dottier side had so lung waited, was
d.reiderlotti.l when the House of Commons had bad the
e .orate to declare by its vote, that it placed more reliance
o u the ruettentes of ministers thus WI the speeches of their
a ;tarot:hos

Mr. littouomor was quite ready to meet the noble lord on
the ground where lie had planted himself had undoubtedly