The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser.
London, England, 1820-09-06 00:00:00

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.eteq hen objected ;bat the Counsel meet int at Il{.
*maim unisosode istwelting or wt. He eerteitelyild estri
../ggjggil that ay Lorca' optative might he pat, hat that
Illettelouldifetto intooduatioo as to particulate.
Lord Erskine ilearaglittiot the Consesslalsowld aek4litt wit-
ness if he did 11S111110111regnewisistion, mertthea, sweenitiog to
the opinion of theJosigee, the.Comesmel for the Sal may in.
Impose the goodie* " Was that representation ill writing?"
The lord CaeIIIMAM/ Ittought the: imit emirs, wow walla
be for the Cermet for hot Majesty to he asked if he wog/
ask the *items if be had Mar a reperomstatios, with the
understanding that the foamed tor the•Ritl was sobs allow.
ed to ask Ilia wittiest, before that mmHg* reotewserioed, if
be had made the reproseedation be writing.
The Marquis of Lased's/es said a few weds, Iher rermi
of which we cooldarst gather below the hor.
The lord Chaseellor, addressing On almogleam,ordeed.
him whether he world wish to withdraw lie iseitiss is
pot, and put it generally ; or if he would parentis pother
the seesaws •• it stood, an the tettebeekeateet dist the
House would permit the Counsel a Ossetar aide Ite Swi-
rl's a question to the witness, as to wissiber IM ..,sinner
tation was is writing.
Mr. Brougham seggemed whether the addition to Mop's
meat question of the words " in writing," would not mows.
p!etely obviate all objectifies.
After some Curlier orinvemodos, is sblett Lire *Rags-
dale and Moaned, the Aims& ea biomasw% Ins art
Lauderdale, and gni Goer potlisigolea.
The Earl of Dessioloasis some awl oia, Thstt iiikaa
undoubtedly the ispiriewelabelledirli woo Net bindle se
the Honer, yet ea ell‘reowe scaleless their °pietist mod
that or the Hesse SW iota the twee attielese eerie* and W
now their opinion was sot thought aufficieutly ortOttioeitee
tie the subject, be thought the better way weed& be Mo
quest dune to noconsider is. The House bad bees olitsissa
by a Wog legal coneersation (he would not will it esgsossa),
is order to accommodate sod compromise &Weems/Des net
whit lie wished to know was, the law es the subject, led if
there was now soy obketion to iuferming tli-• Conned is
Jenne what the Judges' opinion was. He would sigh to re-
fer the quest We again to the Learned Judges, few which pur-
pose he moved, " That the opinion of the Judges be read,
and that they be requested to re-consider the same."
Some (either coswersation then wok place, after which
• The Lord Chancellor suggested to Mr. lirotiehs% that,
under the eke...stucco, lie had batter perhaps withdraw

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the question.
Hr. Brougham said Ileumt ensneetly wither, to withdraw
it, and had indeed been for some time waiting for an uppur-
tunity to do so. He therefore requested their Lordships
wuuld be pleased to direct that the witness be again
called in, which was done, when
'the Earl of Dououglimore made a few observations in a
tone of voice su exceedingly haw, that we could only hear
enough to enable us to understand their purport to be, that
lie did nut think the conduct of the Learned Coulter! to be
by any means proper. He deemed it wholly iucontistent
wills the dignity of that Howie that its proceedings should
io any degree wear the appearance of a bargaiu or condi-
tional agreement with any Counsel at their bar.--.(" Go on!
go win
Loud Holland said, that although he was very unwilliog
to prolong the conversation, yet he wished to say a few
wont' on what be conceived to be the nature of the duty
which the Learned Judges, who, throughout the whole of
their attendance oar the present proceeding, bad setritted
themselves in the most satisfactory manner, were called on
to pesform, and of the opinions which they gave in answer
to the 'milieus propounded to them. In his judgment, so far
from any opinion of their's being bindiag on their Lordships,
so far folio its being binding us their action,, as a rule by
which they were housed to regulate their proceedisge, be
thought they never were to be called on for any opine/nits
to what their Lordships were shunt to do; and if any Lord
should rise with any proposition (tribal kiwi, he should say
that it was a must unparliamentary courie of proceeding to
call on them for any opinion as to what their Lordships were
to du in any pat titular case. Those learned persoos were in
attendance solely for the purpose of giving their opiri eeee
as to the pr wake, iu such points as might for that
purpose be submitted to them, of she Courts below,
and after they bail given such opinion, it remained
fur their Lordship' themselves to decide upon the
ride which they would prescribe fur the government of their
proceedings io any parlicular case. The Noble Lord had
muss ked that it had been the practice to introduce in the
instructions to Counsel at their Lordships' bar the opinion
of the Learned Judges, on which such instructing was
founded; fur his part he too had observed it, and with much
regret, the more particularly so as it had often hap-
peuetl that those opinions went far beyond the question
which had been laid before them. With reipect to
the question now before their Lordships, or rather
which wall lately before them, which was, whether a
particular question should or should not he put to a wit-
ness, it had r ',peered in the deirostion which had taken
place upon it, lost, if pet, it would be attended with cer•
lain consequences, and thertfure the Learned Counsel was
willing to withdraw the ciestion; in this he saw nothing
extraordinary; it was merely the discharge of their duty
towards their client, that Counsel should with to witli•
draw a question, if they thought the consequence
likely to prove in the smallest degree unfavourable.
And if they were to be allowed, as was always the
case, to avail themselves of every favourable consequence
which might result from a question by pressiag it, when
their Lordships decided fur its being allowed, there could
he no reason why they should out also be peribitied In with.
draw any question, when the consequences appeared to them
likely to prove unfavourshle. Considerable ineunvenleuce,
in hie opinion, resulted from the digressions into argument,
in which their Lordship. too frequently indulged, upon legal
questions first on one side and theta on the other, making
themselves not she Jokes, hut Counsel in the critic. His
advice to their Lordships would therefore Ite, if they should
fuel disposed to listen to the advice of so humble an indivi-
dual—fiber, henr)--whrn called on to decide whether any
particular question should or should wit he put, not to mix
with their decision any abstract opinion of law, but simply
Its pronounce that the question should be put, or that it
611004 not be put. —(!/eer, hear.)
tile. Brougham then prueeeeed with the cross.exantina.
Sion.

Did you y to any person dial your conduct towarila
her Royal Higher's wail liable to the charge of ingratitude
-toward, a generous benefactress! Never.

Is this your writing? (*hewing witness a letter.) Yes.
Is that also your hanil.writing ? (sheaving another) The
'illness parsed far some time...looking at the lettee, who
Mr. Brougham observed, that he was 0011 to Snail Wee
easid-writing, and nut to read the letter.
A. It is.
The Attorney-General said he could sot see the lettee.
Mr. Itrolichans replied, he knew that he could not,ssur did
.be intend tivit he should.—(Lquoklev-20rder!)
Have you ever been called by any other name than
lapi, Sacehisii, and Sarehi ? I have been called by another
1 tame. and am *till so
Viet is that other nanse? J beg the favour of the Howie
ant to oblige me to tuention tt, because..l urn afraid if I tell
what name I nuw go by, I may thereby he exposed to like
fury sof the people, and my safety euilmsgered.
The `witness afterward* begged the House to interims,
tbrieauthstrity to prevent the name (nun appeasing in Him
public prilwisi.
In Italy did yon go by nny either name? I sip Iset
remember ever being tilled by any other name.
Did rim ever make use of any other name in Italy
purrs's of correcsrumbng with any person? Pion oat It.
curries.
Have yogi ever been is Switgerland? Yes.
Were you ever at Masse? Yea.
2 Were you ever al Culombier? Yes.
How lung were you at ell beg &hugs or Colowaltier at auy 1,
rose time? About sic weeks.
wave you publicly knows Acid everfro:A__l. 1114
ror did you rls4 t OP* • ogle,
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yes p, or owe lee hews lbw? By
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I led. marl la past two same, at a
you lbws is yew own same? Fifty

swear you had wet more than that In yoor name
dim ataardosa! 1 bod.ao moo than aims My Lewis.
Wall yoo swear that gun never had a credit by which goo
trot ambled to draw on the banker (or a greater tam?
*war hat.
Did you waver say to my person that you. had a greater
mew, we thatlito hod a esoillt formy greater saris ? I do sot
someasber that ewer I said on.
• DM ma will not swear yes have oat midget How eons I
army. whoa J. ad remember
poi heck a certain Maileasolselto Demerit from
leuriMatimiad to Maas ? Yea.
DM ymt fetch her fromeolotolsieo No.
Did you go to Coloashier for her! I went to Colosabier,
mt. he ottimplier, MI mask her if she would go.
__,. sped ma on that occasion ? I was dished to
gp hp aim Csaialliiimuil
- JeMiyisomermemN iiimpanew in Awitterland that Demont
was gone boilliote that abs was going back, into the *entice
of her Royal.llAdhstm Never.
Who came with yea ohms you mania( came to this coos.
ley ? A cuoritri rallied Mr. Kravis.
Is that Mr. Kra. X the same pepsin who was lately arrest-
ed at Paris au a chorea of Augury, .r uttering forged notes "!
I 'wryer heard week of each a thing.
Did Mr. Kraut: comae over to London with one, or did
be remain at Paris:' He came to Loran* with sue.

Is Mr. Kraals a regular King's klessienger, or was he only
employed by the Milan Commossion Ido nett know.
Did you ever go anyother jourmi with this Mr. Kraut: ?
Never.
How lunch money have you received from the Milan Com-
mission in recompense fur your services' N•o other arm
excepting tbs expenses of my jimmies backwards and fur.
words.
Do you mean to swear that yon have sever received any
promise of say suss rpm% the Wee Ginsinsimion fur your
services I eau swear that I have never received Amy such
promise.
1)0 you mean to swear that yea have never received any
promise front any person of any recompense for your Into-
kle rn ihis business ? t can swear that I have hid no such
promise.
Will you swear that you have not been promised any ad.
vantage of any sort for your trouble in giving evidence I
*ever asked for any thing, nor has any thing been offered
me.

I do not ask you whether you ever asked for any thinz,
woe whether any thing has ever been offered you, but I ask
you if say promise has ever been wide to you by any persuo
of any advantage whatsoever ? Mu one ever made 'me au,
promise.
Have you ever amid to any permit shut yon had received
any money, or any promise of money, or any advantage, or the
promise of any advantage, for giving evidence, or fur your
trouble? I never said to say petition that I had received
may money or any *brasier ; I might have said that I had
been paid my expenses.
Do you mesa to swear you do nut expect any thing fur
your trouble ? I hope my expenses and my ttam will be
paid.
Have you ever sees Bennett since yam came to England ?
Many times.
Hate you sera arty of the other witnesses since you have
been in Ragland ? flume of them.
Re•eswmJttert by the Attoraey-Geaeml.
Where does your family live at present? They are sew
at Padua.
Were you ever is the army? Yes, tea years.
In what army did you serve? In the Italian army.
Whose army—was it Bonaparte's? It was the army of
the kingdom of Italy beaded by Bonaparte.
What rank did you hold iu the army when you left it ?
First Lieuteimut of cavalry.
When were you made a Lieutenant of cavalry ? Ou the
6th September, 1813—on the field of battle.
At the time of your leaving the Prim:cps*. service, did you
receive from her Royal Higbaess any certificate of charac-
ter ? I did.
Have you got it about you ? Yells berg it is.
Is it signed by her Royal Higlluess /emelt ? WIN* it was
given to me I was told it was signed by her Royal Highness.
Did you ever see her Royal flightless write? Ido rot re-
member.

Did you ever see uwy letters which haul bees written by
her Royal Highness?—
Mr. Brougham objected, that as the witness had said hr
did not remember to have seen her Royal Uighur:sit write, be
could nut know whether any letters which he bad seen bad
beet, written by liter ur by any other person.
Do you know whose real this is? [affixed to the certifi-
cate whirls he had prodnre.i] Yes.
Whose seal is it ? It is s seal whirls I ikase chew seen
on letters which her Royal Highness gave me.
Who gave you this certificate? Count Schisirioi.
The Attorney-General proposed that the certificate should
now be read.

Air: Brougham objected to the reading of it. It had not
been proved. The witness had stated that he received it
with a seal affixed, bearing the slime impression as those
which he hart seen on letters which her Royal Highness
hail given him at different limes, perhaps to plat into
the post —non coastal 'hit it is her Roysl Highersie
seal; won coastal that it is her Royal Highness's hand-
writing.
The Attorney-General—The case steads the : This paper
was gives to the witness by Schiaviesi, with a seal on it,
which the wastes' bad seen on letters given to him by her
Royal Highness herself. By the notes (folio 3113 of the
printed minutes) it appears, on a promote reasseinatiosi,
'that Schisvini was the person who regularly gave the servaists
their certificates of character whew they left the melee of
her Royal Highness.
On referring to the part of the minittes alluded to, it was
lusted (bit the witness then tinder examinatiou hail said he
hollered &Mayan!' to be the person. The paper, therefore,
sorld not be read in this stage.
Did you say this paper was given you by Count Schiavini
I that.
1, the body of it in the haul-writing of &Marini ! Tee.
What situation slid Schiavini hold he her Royal Iliglioess's
Sorrier hlershat of the Palace.
When any of the servants emitted the 'mime of her Royal
Hichnese, did ally person of her household usually give
them characters! I have only ocets lelajocebi receive a cer-
tificate of character; that was given to his by Srhievini.
Was Schiatrini Marshal of the Palace when he gave the ger-
tificate ? He was.
Did you apply to him for the certificate? No.
How long after yon did Majocclii leave the Kmiec of bar
Royal Highness Ile left it before me.
How long? I do not exactly remember; I believe absot
two months.
TIM AttorneTGeneral now slated, that he thought if Ise
enteleoleew the certificate to have been ileum by a cutnpe-
tent person, it would be admis-ible, •illiout being proved
to heft been written by bar Royal Highness, and he 'pre.
MANI 'sough hail been already proved to lay a priori rule
ester sf Schiaraut Miser, from his situation in her Royal
Highilinell household, *Whin turd to give such certificates°,
character.
Mr. Brougham observed, that what was called the teal no
this paper, •ppihreil to bins to be a plain piece of wax,
without any iinFreotion whatever; inderel, use eye Hutt hid
net the power of a microscope could possibly efeteeneine a
single line of the device ou what was berg colloid the ihs-
pressiott.
The Attorney.Oencrel seid that his wax not a amieroseogit .
eye, and yet be o'o4l plainly distinguish ,be isnprcaasou um
this seal.
Mr. Broughams said, that he the impression what it might,
be protested against the idea of the ma betel( teitr.ta to
prove soy thing as moth, wills or nollsorit7 of the ;yeti-
dente.
Mr. pesisoln amerved, that it might how. two afti+pvtlby
any pen.* in the house Oho had 4.4 or picked o* tho,
seal sty where.-(eries of ° Wfthdrette"—a Older.")
• Toil have been °Med hmy leivold fried, the (4,1010.•
Alters., Omer* some questiorni relatiro to a
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lime from s penes of the acme of Iforkttis I wish to know

in the adiripablor, he Id sot* awl as lo,palicolaesT $,lobotimobe did y
bit if theirtheem tipleoloweloite waroderst, leo taq *we saw, &Mei.
stied tb* lie lipediptioll obi° Ibe-patiaeolaoi. Hod yom soy aim
Earl May mad, that a moliitide of *ea koma hod 4hoes booboo's as laioasone?
pot of a oimilar eaten to the pommy trithest hoeing bee. Now mew; hod yip
objected to by the Comet for 116 Bill; for byelaw?' several 'mail.
of the witeeteal had boom asked, if they had received soy • Will yam wear you
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