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HOUSL OF LOR DS.
PeONDAY, MAY
The royal &swat was giber by commission to the fol-
lowing bills:—
The Scotch Revenue, Scotch Admiralty Courts, Scotch
Admiralty Courts of Session, Tin. Ser Duties, English and
Irish Militia, Irish Bankrupt LoWs Regulatiou, Steam
Engines, Irish bowie Asylum, and a number of private
bill*, 74 in all.
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were, the Lord Cbanceller, the
Duke of Montrose, and the Eel of Shaftesbury.
The Saleoats Harbour bill and the Westminster Im-
provement bill were read a third time, and passed.
Mr. Brogdeu and I members from the Commons
brought up the Crown Lands Revenue Improvement bill,
and a Road bill, which were read the first time.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE gave notice, that on Fri-
day he should move the second reading of the Sale of
Hired kill, and sunimmied the lords for that purpose.—
Their lordships were accordingly s tttttttt 01101.
The Earl of DONOUOIIMORE said lie had comedown
to the house fur the purpose of opposing the bill for regu-
lating the mode of battle f-es in the courts of justice in
Ireland, but uuderstanding the discussion would not conic
on this day, he should postpone his observations to Wed-
nesday next.
Lord CALTHORVE moved for a return of all commu-
nications front the lords commissioners of the admiralty
to naval officers in the different stations relating to the
slave trade, between 1819 sod 1821.—Ordered.
Adjourned to Wednesday.
WEI/NESDAY, MAY 30.
The Irish Election Fees Bill, and London Wharfs Rill,
were brought up from the Commons add read the tine time.
The Jurors Attendance Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Earl of DONOUGIIMORE rose, pursuant to notice,
to address the house on the bill ul their Loidships' table,
so regulate Courts of Just ice iu 'remit'. The object of the
Bill was Wray the officers of the courts of Ireland by sala-
ries instead of fees. Nothing could be more unfavourable to
practitioners iu the courts, who would not he sufficiently
reasauerated by (bat mode. The general practice had been
diffiirent. The fees were regulated by acts of parliament,
and the pantos were entitled to the benefit of the law as it
stood. He concluded by moving an address to his Majesty,
jollying for a tenant of copies of all communications be-
tween the Right Hon. C. Grunt, Secretary for Ireland, and
the officers of his Majesty's Courts of Justice, relating to the
alteration of fees for the discharge of their duties.
Lord SI DMO UTH observed, the bill was founded on the
report of a committee, and the object was nut to let them
go on with these lees. The Noble Yiremint added,that there
were three bills lying on their table oo the Milt quest
011 Friday lie should move the second reading of the three
bills on their Lordships' table,
The Bart or LIMERICK supported the p °visions of the
the bill. The uottle lord bed stated that persens were lie.
prised of patent rights, but he understood that the parties
only held their offices during the pleasure of his Majesty,
land that they had 1111 vested rights which the 13!11 could take
away. He called upon the house not to delay tile bill.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was impressed with the
setenity of passing this Bill ; at the same time be wished
the question to be discussed by a full house.
• Lind Donooghinitie's motion was tae n agreed to
Lind SIDMOU fit then gave notate, that he should move
the second reading of the bill to Friday. Adjourned to
Friday.
eittnee, JUNE
The Marquis Cholniondeley V. Lord Clifton.—Connsel
were heard in this case, and further proceedings post-
poned.
A gentlemen from the admiralty presented at the bar an
account of all the ships of the line and frigates building
and in commission; also au estimate of the eapence of the
works at Sheerness dock.
The Earl of LIMERICK stated, that a noble earl (Lau-
derdale) who bad given notice of his intention to move
the second reading of the bread hill this day, was unable
to attend the house, therefore was desirous of discharging
the order for the second reading, to fix it for Tuesday.—
The second reading was accordingly fixed for Tuesday.
Earl of LIMERICK also gave notice, that he
should move (lie second reeding of the Irish rates of in-
terest hill, and the Lendou wharfs bill, on Tuesday.
Mr. W. C. Wynne and several other members from the
Commons brought up the Irish inland navigatiou bill, and
sever al Oilier titivate, hills. which viers real the fitst time.
The Marquis CHOLMONDELEY laid on the table, by
command of his Majesty, the answer to an address for
papers relating to the slave trade.- The mere were also
laid viii the table by Lied Melville.
The Earl of LIMERICK said, the noble secretary
(Sidu ttttt iii), who had given notice of the second reading
t•t* the Irish C 11111124 Vt. law hill for this day, haul found it
world he more emivehient for the hurls who wished to
speak on the bill to attend on Monday. lie therefore
fixed for the second reading fur Miaiday.
End LIMN LEY presented a petition from two inilivi-
ilii.ds residing in Armagh ag.iiiist the la isli eilioner's bill.
Laid on the table. The house adjourned to Muuday.

HOUSE OF CWI\IONS.
MONDAY, MAY SS.
The house, soon alter duce o'clucii, was sninnioned to
th.. House of I.ot de, to hear the rosal assrot
glycol by commission to smithy public and private bolls.
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►l.e It Elect' Regulation hill, and the I)tiblin Coal
M hat la hill, Nett ren.l a this d 11111 e .4!1,i
Mr. %Vitali-iII:AAA 1,.1%e toboom( in a hill
10 authorise new regulations of the t usitottb,iunet a of
bankrupts,
Sir J. NIAUNTOSti presented a petition, minteconsly
signed, fsisiei Newfoundland, conylaiiiing of the tootle or
admittolleting juslice. •I'l.e petitioner:, particularly cutn-
plAteted of the Cutts is of Sttrrogateo, oho were in the
Whitt of applying the lash in cases of contempt. lie in.
otaoiceil one particular CAM', 'A het e the court or doted 118
the adore being contempt. Having strongly
sitized the otct•ssily of teltoln im the courts in iluslion,
. particularly icspeeting the p..ints to which Ise ad.. cried,
he Illieveti lag( Ike brought up.
Sit J. NEWPORT si consicti the motion,and urged the
necessity of attending to the prayer or the petitionets.
Mc. Ii0V1.1:( RN t.pul.t: ,t the daietittie. that our-
pounded the •lueation uqw brou;4lit before the 11011,C. As
IS comple.ints that had been ut ged, hr was lies: to con-
!)striit Of juitsprodence which had bi.t.:l

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described by the hon. and learned member (Sir J. M.)
was not such as ought to exist in a British colony. The
society of Newfoundland, Weever, it must be remem-
bered, was divided into t we, classes—the mercantile and
the seafaring classes. Naval officers were considered us
t likely to he competent and the best judges iu the
latter cases, and therefore such persons were appointed.
He believed, so far as he was informed, that the courts in
question had dune nothing that was not essential to the
well-bring of the colony.
Dr. LUSHINGTON maintained that the case where
!tti halms had been ordered hail Bien pronounced to be
harsh and canal; even if it was defensible at law, what
said the principles of humanity to it ? Many cases proved
the necessity of inquiry and reform in the colony. He
called on the government to institute investigation; to
teform the jurisprudence, before something like universal
reprobation compelled it.
Mr. W. SMITH said, that the system called loudly fur
examination, especially when such cases took place as.!
those that had been mentioned : the punishment that had
been aliened was such as no lieeinan ought to sutler.
Mr. NIARKYATF adverted to the necessity of reknit
in this island ; wherever the English law could be intro-
duced, it ought to be established.
Mr. WILBERFORCE spoke in favour of the Spanish
law as it had shown itself in many instances; it wee iu
practice, and in practice must humane.
Petition read, and metered to lie on the table.
Mr. CURWEN gave Notice, that on Friday he should
move for the tepee! of the agricultural horse tax.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from an individual of
the name of Wilkiuson, complaining of the expensive
mode adopted to collect the taxes, which collection
amounted to upwards of 4000,0001. a year. The peti-
tioner recommended the adoption of direct instead of
indirect taxation, particularly the imposition of a property
tax. The hon. member considered this subject to merit
the must serious consideration et the beese.—Petition
ordered to be printed.
On the motion that the London Wharfs bill be read a
third time,
Mr. HUME expressed his intention of moving a clause,
to preserve to individuals and to the public all existing
rights of way, dec.
The bill being read a third time, Mr. Hume proposed
the clause accordingly.
Mr. CALVERT resisted the clause. He denied that
the bill went to deprive the public of any rights that they
utter enjoyed. As to the clause, it went to nullify the bill.
In preference to agreeing to the clause,it would be better
to negative the bill. It did not go to touch or interfere
with any street, alley, ur way now enjoyed by the public.
The clause was then brought up.
Mr. lIUNIE again defended the clause. The clause
would secure to Individuals the rights which they now
possessed.
Mr. T. WILSON supported the clause. In the com-
mittee, there was no objection to secure ousting tights,
but there was an objection to justify the wrongs of those
who might have berewfure committed them.
The house then divided. The numbers on the
were—Ayes, 7—Noes, 39.
The bill was then passed, and ordered to the lords.
M:.. SCARLE'rI moved, that the Your Relief bill be
committed, to submit some clauses pro forma.
Mr. MANSFIELD hoped that the bill would not be
pressed torward this session; there was in the country a
very general seutiment against the bill.
Alt. SCARLETT replied, that his information was of a
ditlerent character.
Mr. CALCRA Fr gave 'mace, that when the bill next
came forward, he should take the seine of the house as to
the principle of the bill. (Hear.) He should not trouble
the house with the details; lie was agaiust the principle
of the bill.
The amendments were agreed to, and the bill ordered
to be taken into further consideration on Monday next.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved,
that the house, at its rising, do adjourn to Wednesday
next.—Agreed to.
SUPPLY.—Aussr.—The house, on the motion of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, then went into a cummittee
of supply.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved, that 137,0001. be granted
for barracks, &e.
Cel. DAV IS opposed the grant for so large a sum. It
• became those elm did not wish to see the country over-run
i with barracks, to resist this vote; and he maintained that
upwards ut 160°01. on, the regular expenditure might be
saved. lie mid there also might Ire great savings lli tile de
1
pal (merit or barrack-musters. lie then adverted to the
I jobbing which was g g forward in the item fur new bar-
' racks, &c. at Stockport, Paisley, &c. Although nut a bird-
hog had been advanced, our a stone laid, barrack-masters.
and the customary appends es had been appointr•d ; and
such jobs too %%ere the acts of those who constantly meat lied
up that they made all possible soviogs. Though such was
their language, their practices were uf a contrary e harac er;
they, ill !art, lost nu opportunity of creating places and
sinecures.—(llear, hear.) He coueluded win' moved the
rein tic Iron or the sums to 59,0001.
Mr. A BUT lIN OT defended the employment of barrack
masters..—As to the expenditure for Like UalTaelni, lie was
not personally acquit's:till is it li it ; but lie toought the comp.
'roller of the harraeks' character Wa• a .granny against el-
Vas:Want es pentlnume.
After an extended conversation, in objets Mr. Hume, Mr.
W dittoes, &c. strongly opposed the grant, the co tttttt ittee
divided on time amendment. fire numbers were—ayes 211—
nues 53—the amendment was lost by it noirjut ity of .
sir. Alt liU 11l NOT testis proposAl is giant of 5d0,0001.
for coot ing-ticies.
Air. It U Al I-. %omit) opposed this proposition• maintaining
that I tie House might nest to lie • particularly tttttt Fined
of the untoner in whim the :.:00,0001. fin int•ily voted hail
been es penaed. He lot tiler adverted to the necessity of
of giving some account of the late Kiug's property.
Ur. DENMAN t omideted 200,0001. as too large a sum
for the contingeuries of the pa eseitt year. lit the lust ac-
counts there were 50,0ia1l char;cd, for expellees of the pro-
secution uf her A1:A.140 This aasan es pence %hitch would
'sot occur again; termer would time item of 50001. to con-
stables and others iiiiil/4lng ok, that IKClaii4lll, or that of
b,OOOl. not 11,0101. to W um. Comb-may. Esq. to purchase
land of the corporation, isi Loodoii, a hereon to erect at
brillOlng tin the coition's ttttt ers of bankrupts. There was
also a chat,. e lit 15,0C111. for a brilliant diamond plume, a
present to the Persian Ambassador. When all these reduce
I tools, and tome others is n.ch he could point out, is el e wade,
lie did mot culitiacr the renuctiou proposed by Ins lion. ti tend
as allita lent. tic would therefore muse to tedure tli.• paid
to I 15,e001.

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Ms. Huskissou and the Chancellor of the Exchequer de.
fended She vote originally purposed.
A divisive thou took place on Mr. Hume's amendment.—
The numbers acre—
Fur the amendment, 7T—Against it, 106.
Majority for the original motion 20.
The sum of 10,0001. was thee' voted for Edinburgh college.
Upon the grant of 40,0001. being proposed fur the Peni.
tentiery at Milbank,
Mr. JOHN SMITH observed that the law had no reason
whatever for the existence of this prison The honourable
gentleman also objected to the
stood, which being below high-water mark, was very
unhealthy.
Mr. MAHERLY could not agree to the proposed grant.
The house had already voted 400,0001. for this establishment;
mid if the interest nil this iota were added to the principal,
it would be found that the peniteutia y had cost the country
.500,0001. What could have been the object of the voice.
tors of this prison, unless to burden the country with a shame-
ful expense, lie did nut know. lie found from official
documents that the expense of lodging each man at the
penieentiury was 951.; and the sum puid for food for each
individual was 5-11., making a total of about 801. per head.
lie would now coutrnst this expense with that incurred by
keeping prisoners on board the hulkshrul Botany Bay. The
honourable gentleman then proceeded to cnlculate the
expense which had been incurred by sending convicts to
Botany Bay, and maintaining them there which he stated
to amount to only 101. per minuet fur each individual. He
did not see why the country should pay 801. fur that which
might be aceoinpludred for 101. The hum. gent. concluded
with moving.. that no 11%1111 whatever should be granted fur
the penitentiary.
Mr. HOLEORD its rd that the building was at present
in an imperfect state, and could not be completed unless
funds were grouted by parliament fur that purpose. The
reiolution was agreed to.
Mr. IRVING moved that a sum of 20,6131. Its. 6d. be
granted to Gen. Desfourneaux , us a compensation for lows
which he sulfured when ruling in the British interest in °ea..
daloupe 1791.
Mr. P. MOORE said, as it was now 12 o'clock, lie should
move that the chairman do report progress, and ask leave to
sit again.
The house then resumed. The report was received and
ordered to be taken into consideration on Wednesday next.
Mr. HUME pat a qnestion to the Chancellor of the Ex-
cheques relative to the manner in w hi.:h government inserted
its advertisements in the daily journals. lie wished to know
whether the system of confining the advertisements of govern.
went to the government papers, which had been so generally
acted upon in Ireland, bud been introduced into Englaud.-
11e asked the question, because he had observed that from
papers of a certain description these advertisements were
carefully excluded. The Tinge 2, for instance, had not had a
government adverti‘einent fur the last 18 months.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCII EQUERreplled. that
every (dice under government selected the pamper in which it
advertised, 'there was uo order flora the treasury to ex-
clude advertisements fruits any particular paper.
Mr. HUME said, that if such ere the case. it was a
strange coincidence that all the pt.blic offices should have
combined to exclude their advertisements from true parti-
cular paper.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of and the
houseartjourued till Wednesday.
WEDNESDAY, WAY SO.
Mr. WHARTON presented the report of the committee
appointed to try the merits of the Petersfield right of election
petition, which d.clared that such right was in the burgesses
and m the freeholders of lauds, houses, and tenements within
the said borough.
The house went into a committee ou lie inland navigation
bill.

Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW presented • petition from Clunk.
Hatt, stating that a lady had lost her deed of marriage settle.
meat, anti praying that all oIIiCIG for their reception might
be established, as in the case of wills —O►dered to lie ma
the table.
Mr. WARNE complained of the iotroduetion of
the extra post bill after one o'clock on Tuesday. The
bill bad been stroogly objected to; but it was not only
read a first time—it was also ordered to be reed a second
time Halliday. He should move that the order of the day
be discharged, and then (that the bill be printed.—lle
wished to know what the bill was.
Mr. LUSIUNGTON said, it would be better to postpone
the bill till Monday, and to direct is the mean time that the
bill be printed.
The bill was ordered to be rend a second time on Monday

and to he printed.
Mr. M. A. TAY LOR rose, pursuant to notice, to bring
forward his motion, respecting the court of chancery awl the
appellant jurisdiction of the house of Lords.—A committee
bad been appointed to enquire yam the state of the court,
and at was hound that 334 appeals were on the papers of the
House ul Lnidy which could hot he disposed of in km than
ten years, There were 105 original causes before the
Chancellor, and 34 appeals for re-hearing. To remedy this
evil he, had Mid his suggestions before the home. He had
resisted the Vice Chancellor's Court, which gave the points
of appeal to toe Lord Chancellor, but resistance was vain.
What had been liar consequence ? There were now 116 ap-
peals fur re-hearing. it was amoral wilco suits weic against
teem, for parties to desire the is; of „tile noble lord
holding the great seal. As to the preseut mode of appeal,
it was bone at all;—it was fluty an appeal from the Lind
Chancellor in am undress wig to his Lordship in a full-hot-
tomed wig. His lordship was in the habit of saying, if his
decision acre d sapproved, there wits as appeal to another
place; but that was 014 an appeal to his Lordship after he
I had. changed Ili. wig.—(Hear, and Is Laugh.)—Whatever
:night be the result of his motion, lie should persevere—he
knew that he stood on a rock—he knew that no lawyer
could contravene what he stated. (hear, bear 1)-11e coil.
eluded with inuring, that the house do, early DU the neat
se►sion, take this subject into cousideration.
Time Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, ns to the pro•
position, he ClOUght it, gericriely ape: 'thig, nowise to deter-
! mine in one >rsa a hat Hwy woted do in another. With
respect to the Motion, it %cut wholly to change the office of
, Inc Lord Clemeellor—to separate that important law olfiee
trom toe canine', and to alter the constitution of the House
iof Lords. All this might he ',roper; but he thought such
reform nmrlit riot to he adopted hastily. Some remark► had
- bees' made on the Vice Chtteci.iiiirs court; Irma all he had
wider:stood, flint court was shcceaul. They might
nut to judge by the number of appeals, but by the
quantity of business really got rid of. 51 hat lie desired,
perfectly tut•ormed as lie as, its tit the subject, was, that the
linotiou should tree wit lid taw a fur the present. It the aiulius
wile not wiladiawu, lie :ovoid aunt Cie previous qui *limb