The National Register.
London, England, 1820-10-16 00:00:00

GUISJITE GAROLINI. sworn.
Ezawinal by Mr. Williams.

From what country do you come ?...From
What Int4iiess are you i...A mason.
Was you ever employed by the Princess of Wales at the Villa
d'Este ? .1 was.
Did you know a person named Regazzoni ?...I did.
Is he a master workman. or a common workman ?...Hc is a
day workman. lie hail him under his employment at Villa
d'Este. He remembered there being statutes in toe grotto, there
was a scaffolding up in a part of the grotto, that was the only
scaffolding; from this scaffolding it was not possible, by any
mews. to see them, as the pwge was winding. He knew a
=lof the name of Haste I, his othei name was Jaseppi, saw
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Do you recollect my thing being said by Rastelli about wilr
newel being wanted to appear against the Princess.
The Solicitor-General objected to the question, unless RastaMl
evidence pointed to it.
Mr. Brougham....We have two grounds for esamlnitior. The
Mt is the agency of Rastelli....The second, nautili's own ad.
mission. The Solicitor General said, Ra-telli had denied giving
money to any witnesses, but if his Learned Friend could prove
he did give money to a witness, it would be open to hint to do so.
The Lord Chancellor....We will go on with the culmination
tomorrow.—The House adjourned.
TENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE.
FRIOAT, OCT. 13.
At twenty minutes past ten Counsel were called to the
Bar.

Lord LAUDERDALE expressed a wish that Lieutenant
Heenan' should produce his diploma as a Knight of St.
Caroline.
Guisippe Gra-dint, the witness under examinallem at the
adjournment of the House last evening, was again called to
the Bar, and his examination proceeded.
You were employed as a builder at Villa d'Este I—Yes I
as master.
Were you paid as yea went along, for was there a bill rue
up
7—Before her Royal Highness set oat fur her lung
jio 'ney I was paid regularly; after her departure we entered
into a contract fur 74,000 litres, under the direction of
Ratti, the architect; after this there was more work, and
the amount was 145,500 litres.
Did, nu ever see at the time that sum was due to
you —Yes.
Do you remember his mentioning that bill 1-11 e asked
me if that was my hill, and I said, after deducting what 1 had
received, there remained 45,500 litres.
Was any thing said about the manner In which this should
be paid I—Yes.
What was it /
The SOLICITOa-thiNrcii objected to this conversation.
• The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Von may, I Batik, ask
the witness, does lie know of Rastelli• having offered
himself the witness, or any other individual money.
Mr. Williams—May I not ask, did he offer money, or
money's worth.
Do you recollect at any time Rastelli offering you any
money I—He said, if my account was not liquidated, to
give it to him, and he would contrive to see me paid.
What were you to do for Blatt—He told me to give my
account to him, for there were Englishmen at Milan, and
he would see me paid.
What did he say, at the ante time, you were to def,
He told me, if Iliad any thing to say against her Royal
Highness, as I had been a long time in her service, to tell
it to him' and he would endeavour to see me paid.
•At that sums time, or at any other, bad you any eon-
' Venation with Rastelli as to what you were to do as a
witness
' The Solicitor General objected to this question.
Lord EILSKINE was decidedly of opinion that the
House must adopt one of two courses; either they must
allow the present examination to go coni or they mast call
Rest( Ili back again, that he might be confronted with the
present witness. in ordinary cases, the trial was bnislied
in a day, and sorry was he that he had lived to see trials
extended to two or three days; it was >t great evil, and
ought to have beau suffered. It was a practice
infringing on the rules of justice, and the present was one
of the evils arising out of this course.
Lord LIVERPOOL aid sot rise to give any opinion on
this point of form, hat only to say, be had not the smallest
objection that at the proper time the conduct adopted by
those Gentlemen who load formed what was called the
Milan Commission, should undergo the fullest investiga-
tion.
Lord CARNARVON...." My Lords, it is impossible to
preceed one step further in this odious, profligate, and dress&
obis asearers, without having before us
relative to this agency. Until the transactions ire unravelled,
the characters of all throe who have had any concern in the
Commistions or were at its disposal, • and under its authority
are practically talated.—A discredit is fixed upon them,-
which is of itself calculated to destroy the case which has .
bees brought forward in support of the bill.—(Hear, hear.) •
I cannot bring myself to think that your Lordships would,
after the establisbeem of that which has been just stated at
the Bar, think of entertaining, for one hour longer, a Hill
which has been the greatest curse that lons :ever falleu upon
this country !—(loud and repented cries of hear, hear,
bear l) If I am nalstakeu in supposing so, I can by that
we are doing aeilber more star less than signing the dent h war.
rant or the British r.rnistizution!—(Load cries of hear !)
and undermining all the securities of national justice, stabi-
11ty, aud honour, l—(Hear, hear !)—I cannot contider this
'notion as a matter of dry law. It appears from the evil.
deace, which, on one side, is concluded, that three years
have elapsed since any of the arts to which that evidence
refers were committed—a period of such length, that even
if treason had been the crime alleged, it could not have been
tried. his testa case which interfered with the ionerests of
every one, not even, as far as I can see, with the private
interests of those who Bate entangled themselves in the pro-
ceeding amid wished toentangle ill it every interest lit the coun-
try. They leave hi ought odium oil the Government; they have
excited a feeling, which never can be excited without
danger—not probably immediate danger, but danger that
can Dever be small, in a country where popular feeling must
be titepillar mid prop of all its institutions?— (Hear, hear.)
They have excited a feeling which is sapping the foundation
of all that is valuable nodded,. to us. Although l may have •
hitherto abstained from calling un your Lordships to put an
end to this pi oceedieg, under an impre• that there might
possibly heigrouints which made the necessity for it imperious,
I can nu longer he withheld from doing no, when, un the
a hole fate of the case, es shewa ie evidence, there is nothing
ii h .tever to nut ram it, even as a memos of expediency.—
' And what state for imerferenee can be more limper shah
present I—li this charge against the agents of the prusecutoun
be substantiated, is I titre one of your Lordships who will not
think flint the greatest service yaps can do to the advocates
of the Bill, to the party iisterested in it--.if such party exi,ts,
:hough w here 1 know not ! will be in rid them of the pm-
' sure of the inillptone which they have got round their necks,
earl which threatelis to drat down not only than, but every
thing on which the hopes of the country are Set 1— (Bear,
hear, hear!)—However unusual it piny be in orriinary ritsea
la interfere sit tire midst of it proserut 1111 l , I conceive that
every consideration of usio:e or forst ought to give way ma
case like the prese.ml, the moistens yea have evidence before
you of a system of svoisornation of perjury on the part of Ilse
prosecution ! I think that your Lordships are bound to re-
ceive evidence of that subisruni ism moil acts being est.,blish, tf.
I that you will not do justice it' vin do not instantly fauna sot
the Bili!"—(is Is la. atsauY ro..Lioorotuoicbtluird elicersfrusa
all parts of the Ho,.se.

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The Earl of DONOUGHMOI(E said, that he had ne-
ver heard inch a speech on such an occasion as that joist
delivered by his Noble Friend. In the midst of a pro•
eeeding, which no one had sat to investigate, except with
the most painful feelings, but which had not been pro.
eeeded in from other than motives of strong necessity;
and, when only a part of the evidence had been gone
through, his Noble Friend hid called on their Lordships
to stop short, and throw out the Hill? Was ever such a
thing heard off He would not trouble their Lordships
with entering into any argument on the subject. It was
enough to mention the state in which matters were, to
■hew the inadmissibility of the motion made by his Noble
Friend.

The Earl of CARNARVON, in explanation, appealod
to their Lordships whether be had made any such motion
as that represented by his Noble Friend, or, in fact, any
motion at ally All he had said and contended for was,
that evidence having been offered of a system of bribery,
on the part of a person who was an agent of the Milan
Commission, their Lordship ought to suspend all other
investigation till the act of bribery was inquired into;
and if it was established, then undoubtedly, that their
Lordships should instantly put an end to their proceeding.
His Noble Friend had said shut he had never heard of
such a speech on such an occasion. But " let him spew
sue," said the Noble Earl, " in H►e auna:s of history snc:i
an occasion, such a proceeding as the present I and I
shall have no difficulty In sheaving a precedent for the
course which I have felt It my duty to pursue."
"The LORD CHANCELLOR said, th.►t perhaps their
Lordships would be of opinion, that the witness should
now be recalled.
The House consenting, the witness was recalled to the
bar.

The witness was again called to the bar, and the question
put to him: he answered—The first film I had a con-
versation a ith Ritetelli on this subject I was coming from
the States of the Pope, and had a little conversation with
him; next time I was coining from the Custom-house, and
we were talking about witn ; he said lie had been to
my country about witnesses; he asked one witness; that
witness asked another, and that another, whether they
wished to depose against the Princess, or whether they
were willing to do so; and then he asked them will Sou
come to Milan with me? Then we breakfasted together,
from thence we went to another place,Carsona, where we
dined, and from thence to Milan, to an Inn, in St. Leonard,
.4 from thence before the Advocate Vimarearti, with
the other witness.

Did Rastelli ever tell yon he had given any of them
money?—He told me he had kept them seven days in an
Inn. and paid them forty fraucs.
Was any thing said of u hat he had given them besides?
—He told me lie gate each of them forty frmics 1 but
Rastelli gave fifty francs. He bad given filly fiancs to
Bruiser.

Was there any body else?—Yes ; I think he meationed
Francisco, Bazar, Rustle, but he mentioned them altoge-
ther. He added, Ambrosio, of Leghorn, also had money.
Was ally thing said of their expences?—Not about the
expencer., but he said when he went to my country he got
a chaise and paid posting.
Did he say who paid the expellees at the inn ?—He said
be paid them by the dey 40 francs. Rastelli paid the ex-
peaces; they gut the 40 francs clear.
Cruss-exansiiied by the Solicitor-General.
Where did the witness go from to Milan T—From Cas-
soul, my cowry, to Milan.
Huw many miles did they travel altogether?—Twenty-
eight or thirty miles.
Was it 1$ or 10 miles to go to Milan P—lt was.
You have said something about Raggaxoni. Where did
be go from 2—Rastelli came to my country and went to
the inn, and then told Bruzzi to fetch Raggasoni, who was
four miles distant.
You told us of a bill due to you front the Princess of
We Has that hall been paid ? —Yes, she has paid me
that bill.
When was It paid ?-4 was paid part in January, part
in March, and the remainder in April, ISM
Was the money paid to you after you had the intervievi
with Rastelli e—When I spoke to Rastelli, I was not paid
the whole, I bad received the pert in January only.
How long is it since the last payment was made by her
Royal Highaws?—The end of April nr the beginning of
May.
Re-examined by Mr. Williams.
I had 114 or 3.1 men in my employment when I came to
this country. The English gentleman of whom I spoke iu
talking of coming o%er to this country was a tall man, with
red hair. His name is Heiny. I told the English gen-
tleman the sum Raul had fixed. Since I went into the
employment of her Royal Highness I never knew work
done in the room %Oleic the statutes were.
The SOLICITOR (ire IRAL asked, whether the Italian
wuril piiast.r meant column with a base, according to the
signification?
The Marchese SPINErti said, it meant a pile to support
a root', and of any shape except that am column.
To Lord LAUDERDALE.— Rastelli went to the inn at
Cevarzo; told the landlord to send Jur iiozzi, and when
BMW came, Rebirth sent him for the other persons, one
after another. —ii.renthudiara concluded.
Mr. IleoLamast washed to leans hem the Attorney
General whether Rastelli was accessible or inut. Im 811011,
whether lie was in the country or not as he. wished to
call him, and post some questions to hint.
T.ie ,trronstex Gera east, said, the Icained gentleman
must first satisfy their Lot &hips of the necessity of call-
ing him.
Mr. lintitZllAM.—lf the Learned Attorney General
will infosio the that Rastelli is loot in the country, I need
ups .tunble their Lordships on the subject.
Ibe,l4lOßeseGElWitALsaid,that Hameln had been
Sew to Moat., an a courier. with drapatchm As MICR as
he hail halm this fact, and anticipating it might he neces-
sary again to (.4111 t 11l , he (the Attorney General) had Pent
another cornier to !mug kiln back, and he believed he
might speedily lie t‘yectetl.
Mr. limouutiass.-1s it possible, that a person who has
been raatained as a witness for the prosecution, has heels
sent nut of the cuuntiy in the soviee of the Aldan Cum-
imissiott /
'flit ATTORNEY GENERAL said, Mr. liteegltitru had put
questions to the last witness, which he c..occivell lit find
nu right to put, in order to furnish glum.: fur again call-
ing Rastelli.
file. I.lnocutiest.—My Learned Ft iend or rather those.
who
net him, must have seen, that in the cum se of
nay eross-esamination of Rastelli, I laid the foni.dation
ror Ls :et utativn ; and they whit (Weeded, and rested on

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his evidence, should have had him ready to be produced
whtnever he might he called. If there was anything in
this prosecution that ought not to have been done, it was
the sending Rastelli out as an agent in this Milan
Commission.

Arron NEI' GENERAL said it became necessary
that the friends of the witnesses for the prosecution, at
Milan, should be assured that they were sale; and no
person was thought so proper to satisfy them as Rastelli
going with !Mete from the witnesses to their friends.
Mr. BROUGHAM did 1,01 rise to reply, but to remind
their Lordships that there was an end to all security
against the perjury of a witness, if he was to be sent out
of the country. " How," said the Learned COIHOCI, " can
I go on with this ease under such cite 1111 l stances !"
Lord HOLLAND commenced a very animated speech,
by saying. he rose to advocate the cause of justice. The
fact which had just come out at the bar of that House was
most monstrous— (Hear. hear, hear.) When, at the coin
inencement of this case, it was contemplated that perjury
might be committed by some of the witnesses, it was
asked that there should he some security, that the same
cheeks and dm same penalties would be enforced as in
ordinary cases. The Learned Lord ou the Treasury
Bench then declared, that although Government felt some
difficulty in detaining foreigners, yet that he would do
every thing in hirower for the ends of justice. What
now appeared?—Why, that one of these men, who may
have been bribed to appear at your bar—(Hear, hear,
bear)—that this man, cross-examined by the Counsel in a
manner that slieweil he intended to impeach his evidence
—this man bas been sent away—(Hear, hear, hear).—" I
ask your Lordship (said the Noble Lord), I appeal to the
common sense of the country, if you think that we, or
any men have that degree of character as to with-land
the odium. Rastelli was an agent, it had been said a
corrupt agent to the Milan Commission. This witness
who hai deposed to some of the most disgusting facts, in
this disgusting inquiry, has been sent out of the country.
We are told, as far as our Constitution would permit,
every thing should be done to prevent any witnesses being
withdrawn from justice, and yet this man has been sent
away by that very authority which ought to have detain-
ed him. This proceeding will taint all your proceedings,
and this branch of the Legislature. This affair must be
set right before we proceed any further. No stronger
proof of a conspiracy could exist than this monstrous
fact ; and your Lordships will do well to get rid of the
whole matter at once."

Lord LIVERPOOL, in the most indignant manner,
disclaimed all idea of justifying the conduct complained
of, and defied any man to state any cirenmstauce in his
public life which could give a colour to suck suspicion
With indignation lie repelled the insinuations contested in
the speech of the Noble Lord (Holland), which gas e an
erroueons, fallacious, and infla JJJJJ iatury view of the con-
duct of the Guversiment—(Hear, front the aliiiisters).—
" I am ready (said Lord L.) to admit that it was the duly
of those who are conducting this bossiness to censure the
continuance of all the witnesses for the bill in this country
until it came to a close; that the circumstances of one of
the witnesses being seat on; of the country pending the
proceedings, was Aighty blameable; but I must acquit my.
self and nay colleagues of ala know:lege of the fact—( Loud
cries of hear)—and I must say, that the Attorney and
Solicitor.Oeneral were as ignorant of it as we were....
(Hear, hear, hear!).—How then can we be charged with
conspiracy ?" The Noble Lord then stated that the cause
of tending Rastelli out of the country was the following :
—ltastelli had been employed by the Commission as a
messenger, and in bringing wit over to this country.
After the adjournment of the House it was thought neces-
sary to have snore evidence, and Rastelli was considered
the most proper person to toting them over to this country.
He was therefore etnpleyed, but those who employed him
expected hint over before the House should into. This,
nu doubt, arose from an erroneous judgment, but from
an honourable motive; and there existed no intention to
I withdraw the witness from justice. A? soot' as the fact
became known to the Attorney-Gs neral, he instantly
sent a person out of the country to bring Rastelli back.
Now, whether this was a ground for charging Ministers
with conspiracy, he would leave it the candour of the
House to decide.—(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE admitted the explanation
as far as concerned the Noble Lord and his colleagues, but it
certainly required the weight of the Noble Load's cheracter
to defend him from the chage. The necessity of a defe.cc
from the charge, was tree of the cala ttt i t les attendant upon
those proceeding!.—(llear, hear, bear.)—But while the
House would acquit him of crimineliiy, they were bound to
consider the effect of such a circumstance, as that of a lOC
they had complained, upon the int e, este of the I;ifreen. The
agents of the t lfuu.e had betrayed the *lust that was reposed
in them , and was it at all fitting to visit the consequences
upon the Illustrious Lady ?—lt had been an understanding
tints the witnesses shnuld foe all forthcoming, amongst other
reasons, for the purpose of giving satisfactory explanations,
upon points of evidence, to the House. Had nut that mule
been found most useful in the ease of alajoeci.—(Hear, hear,
hear.)—What u ere the House tothink alien that so import-
ant an evidence us Rastells could nut be pi odured before lie
could have time anti oppertinsisy to prepare himself to meet
contradiction?a And all this because the ptuple at Alden
would nut be waded with any thin,; but his pa clielire to prove
that there was entity In visiting England I As if !Latent
was the ccrtilieste of tile disposition of the country to local
a itnesses with kindues..—(A he !louse wit-humid
to ‘do all that possibly could he lfts to repair the eet of
sash a course ul the Wriest, of her Majesty.—( Hear.)
' The LORD Cil ANC LLLOR mid, that be cerislinly con.
shirred the StieitSUIVIS etreinely injudged. If it arose f
a aret of judgment, he should give it HO harsher a shone; but
if it proceeded fawn any Haw tan worse worse character, pt' imme
could be too bail for it. " r cannot deuvliat tin talon ance
must be made for the absence of the witness. to the Clairen's
reuse, and I consider ilea those who swim the. Bill at:e
to brasy, him bar I. I consider tiuukrr ex:Mite:ldiom
on a future Clay cannot be so beneficial to Ito. .. nine of Pke
Queen as his examination at this minima would be. You
Ale biamel then, any Lot do, to make a liberal mid I nate al.
loa once. I think, indeed, at is impassible to impair the
injury uttoe,• Hier. But, good God ! In justice to she Quern,
as well all to the country. do not close these thoccedaigs
5 his stage of the m."—The Noble Lunt ColiChldetl a •peecli,
so nett he delivered with kreat energy, by canine upon their
Lordships to proceed ss ith the eviderce wail the winces,
should return, and upon his return, to make a large allowunce
fur the tiorortutiate cations:mice that had OCCIlti ea.
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Luis' CARNARVON.—" I are *ills the Noble Libra,
that she injury is irreparable ; but I must add, and iu
(Mos to I Peak Octet lings of thousands, the only remedy

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Is to put an end to these proceedings—these abominable
proreedings —al toget lier—(Loted re les of Hear, and other
evident marks of a powerful sensation i,t the House.) No
man who wishes well to justice can wish otherwise. The
Queens defence never aan be restored to the position it
now bolds, and it therefore becomes sin, if we are not de-
termined to outrage all public feeling, all cognition sense,
to disgrace the comitry in which we hold so high a (degree.
ler, and to &glade even out characters, it becomes us to
abandon this detestable Bill. Substantial justice can never
be done in this House upon this subject ; and if we peo-
reed, we shall be subjected to the execration of all honest
Englishmen, and the contempt of all mankind. A lissom
of extensive subornation has been proved. The witness
who is accused of it has disappeared. Those who con-
Juliet this prosecution are I say, in fault ; and if this Bill
should pass to the other House, it is impossible that it
shook! be entertained for a single moment, for it would
excite agitations of the most dangerous character, dis-
grace the prosecutors, and overthrow the most glorious of
instil lit ions.'— He concluded by moving," Tilsit the House
should adjourn to this digs six 1114111611!"
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH said, it would be most fatal
to her Majesty'. reputation to close proceedings in this
stage of them.
Lord GREY said, he never felt greater difficulty than
at this 11101111VHI. He trusted Isis Noble Friend would not
persevere in leis motion; but if he did, he should give his
assent to it. The Noble Earl opposite load done himself
honour by the manner in which lie had reprobated the
fact of sending away this witness; but he must say it was
a great deal inure than ill-judged—it was must iniquitous.
No person connected with the prosecution could be igno-
rant of the necessity of keeping inch a witness as this
seedy at band to be examined when called upon. I. what
situation were the Counsel for her Majesty? They had
trusted to the pledge given by the Noble Earl opposite,
that the witnesses stioisid not be sent out of the way, and
now that they resorted to that pledge, they found it of no
avail. It was iinpossible that substantial justice could
be done. 'l'o use the words of the Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsack, an injury had been done to her
defence which could not be wholly repaired. Looking at
the whole proceeding, and more particularly to the situ*•
lion in which the illustrious defendant was placed by the
forfeiture of the ple,lges which had been given to her, he
could not, if the motion was pressed to a division, do
otherwise than vote for it.

Lord LIVERPOOL agreed that if substantial justice
could not be dune, the ease should be snspended alto.
gether. But lie was convinced that substantial justice
might and could be done. Her Majesty might even be
benefited by the postponement of HasteliPs re-examina-
tion; for the effect of it might probably be to set aside
the evidence of that individual and all connected with
him. If the House were to suspend their proceedings,
they would neither do justice to her Majesty, nor satisfy
the public mind.
Lords Launeaoa LS and ELLS:46OIIOO6ff followed en
the same side, ag.inst the motion.

Lord NlOlt . •C Y hoped his Noble Friend woold not peen
his motion; a division, iu the present stage, would be ex.
toemely painful to the private feelings of their Lordships.
Lord ALVANI.EY wished to know who was the pylon
who bad seat itastelli out of the country ?
Lord LI V EH POOL.—I Wiese Air. Powell.
Lord CAHN EH YON would not prey his motion against
the feeling of the House, but be would only withdraw it in
order to substitute another, no i.ely, that her Molest'', Coun-
sel should be asked whether they thought it material to the
defence of her Miljecty that Itastelli should be examined
immediately
Lord HOLLAND spoke at some length, and with great
eloquenee,ngainst proceeding with the 11.1111 e till the fact of
the existence of a conspiracy to suborn witnesses should be
established.

Lord ERSKINE said, as his Noble Friend had agreed to
anspend 'nit motion, he wished that the Counsel for her Ma-
jesty ahould be asked if it was material for the detnee that
Rustrlii should non be called in and examined?

Earl GREY moved, clout Mr. Biblell should Dow be called
to the Bar of the House.

JIMA Allan Powell I hen appeared nt the Bar, sod was es•

animed6y Etul Gamy.

He stated—l was employed its the Milan Coramission.-1
am now engaged in conducting the prosecutton. I heard
toe r gantinatton of Itastelli at thi. Mow, I recommended
his being sent out to Italy to moire the friends of the w it.
toemes minis in this country, that they were %sell ; and that the
reports in Italy of their mat-treatment were eaa,;gerated. I
thought it Ito act of humanity to do so.
Did you nut know, by sending Itavtelli out nut of the
country, it would be impo‘-ible that he could attend here if
called upon?.:—lta-telli arid aw ay on the Thursday or Friday
after the utijout omega, amid I thought he would be hark
before he could be wanted. I ordered him to return by the
3d of October.
Who did you see at the Foreign Office f—Eitber Mr.
Planta or Lord Clanwilltatn.
Did you state ut the Foreign (Nice that be had been ego.
1101101 ill this Jimmie —No, but I believe that it was weft
undo tsto..d that he was•

Whim further stated that, that be expected Ra•telli to
return, as three ineioages hail been > ut after biro; but be
had heard that he was ill of a fever. _ .

Tu question (rein Lord ALVA'S LEy aiteesssaid that
lee Icid nu incuils of enforcing the attendance of !tastelli, if
hr refused to return.
It nits agreed that Lord Eti sternF:'s question to the Queen's
Counsel shi.uld be put to-morrow morning.
Adjouriwil at tss oily minutes to five u'i lock.
ELEVENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE.
lI4TURDAY, OCT. 14.
The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the Woolsack at
the usual hour. As soon as prayers had been read, and
the list valied over,
The Eau' of CARNARVON rose, and alluded to the
motion he had yestetilay made and afterwards agreed to
suspend. He said, he would now, with permission of the
withdraw that motion, and substitute anutlwr, to
which lie ousted there %mild be little obit ctiun. But
previous to snaking this motion, he wished to put
a question to the Noble Loud at the head of the
Treasury, respecting the pledge he bad given at the
commencement of thieve proceedings, " that everything
should be done to further the ends of justice, in respect to
the witnesses." lie bow %%liked to know whether the
Noble Lot d bad given any instructions um the subject, and
to whom!
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he had not given any
specific instructions. lie had no difficulty in esplailittilt

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