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London, England, 1816-05-25 00:00:00

CIVIL 1.1. T.

The (.711A1ICETI.Olt • f ExturQuelt
the of t. I) v I.r Iniuging up the report of
tlii I.ist

t3Kuup►.N • fl4ht the report up tr-
roriti It), lie fprehtton 14 • : 'At fur agree wg t•• the
limeseimeoits.

aNEY then rove. i le otigerved, that in cull-
ing II •• .otes&•.., iii Ilse I °now to this Bill, it. wits
not •'.:1011 Io OC, 11.1. 111,1111 of their time.
Phis 801 l ie -I leisie4ly :11 the ineinivew
tileoei.v which fits III:. IS 3elm. bail formed s hillqect
of Toiplialaillt in fi••• • .4 ure of the revenue of die
I' 'Jr sflt r ys.-ar iii, ii utiuns ViTre ilia Jr
to (tie [loose to make gond the excess of the Civil
bevitill the eoilinitoi which were sailrmittra of
their astirititit, mid fie regretted that these 'mph-
cations hi came still iiereiii...try. Tit pret cot the re-
curreilitie of ties evil* the pees-iii Bill wies
in-
Irtuletl, but how fur it was likely to prvelace
tins O,lVi et the !louse had yet to !tarsi. The
isinou•it of the Citil List Revenue, exi holing
1110.000/. for the Windsor Estallilii•hinelit, and
60,01101. for the Privy Purse, was 1,084,0n0f.
It was cionimwevl of the oriainol of I .1)30,w)0/.
Sealy!, Civil List, In.noni. and Etelwfiner Fees,
4t4.01)0/. An rg imate hntl been drawn lip, under
the in w Bill, which ',hosed the expenditure u few
thousatid pounds within that 'WM. The expenses
were theft set down at 1,0t40,000/. per imottoi.—
Till, was not, however, effected by lowing flown
all the charges on the Civil List, sod bringing
them within that sum, but by altering the
mode of payment. Thus, in the lirst class,
30,100/. formerly chargwahle ors the Civil List,
was proposed to lie cast on tke 'Consolidated
Fluid. And all the stuns now payable out of
the Civil List, beyond that which was laid down
in the estimate, were, front nine to thee, to be
voted Icy Parliament, as necessity for such vote
usielit arise. The Bill then recited, that an esti-
mate of the future v 111194.11 hail here prepared.
But it did not satisfy him, since it said nothing•
snout the snot would be thrown directly on the
shoil!ilcra of the puhlie, iii order to defray thrice
items that would he severed (win the Civil
Lug, nnionnting to ul t It was pro-
posed, siii the right clit vea Of the Civil List, to
take off an expense ill* 155,000/. which the ',Wi-
tte lima. however, make good. This way the
ral-
in ,te. Not the estimate of u iiiii mutter or that
Muse, but of a seit-elected Committee. formed
by the Right Ilomme4l,le (:entlemiin (Mr. Vim-
Wttart) and his colleagnes. Now, lit fore the
tliettiselves to provide few this sum of
i',lls.olHd. (at ilav, it 4111.1111 e that
tto iiiii iit. sin( a it protiertleal only on an estimate) they
11,1411 it tti use. every invine• n, tiltif power to reduce
the mina! ex/Irwin sire 01' the Civil 1,1,4, and then
they might to riot about, mid mar': what fund. the
Crowii possess, el ispithealile to the support of dist
expenditure. %Ville respect tit the paring dowii
those expenses, lie should only repeat what he had
brfore gueli an object could not be el-
reeted, except by a Committee eltlpOtttrtA (0 exit-
inine peigoirg. This the !louse iii its a isfloin had
ralosed, and be hoped the result !4,1.1,-
ii•CtOry. But certainly tlwre appeared to tie all
111111WIlliaglW:41 in the Muse to investigate this sub-
ject us they ought—they shut their Cyril on this ex-
penditure.—(lieor, hear.)—The next regulation lii
the Bit!, Crum which, it seemed, great matter,' writ!
expected (altleffsgli lie 4141 lint thick any good
wool,' arise Troia WI, was the appointment of na en-
tirely new officer, who out to control all the house-
hold expeowsti, in their !progress. All the frflicers
em;floy rti oilier 1 he 'Lord Steward, the laird Chain-
-1111.1 the Niggler of the Horse, were to be
tillhjeet to los control and inglieetion; he could VX:I-
mode every person. except the three grest
110111 officers themselves. 11.1i0 was to fill this new
situation, be could not say ; but this lie knew, that
life Gentleman was to have a salary of 1,5110/. a-
year fur Ins troulfle. Tins office was created, WO.
Oh the very moment when Ministers said they were
endeavole-ing to save money on the Civil L.:L--
(11(1:r, tear, tosr.)—For what was this salary
given Why for doing that fluty, for the rxe-
cotton of which other persous were paid. The
Noble Lord said. it was shameful that aii' suspi-
cion should exist of a wasteful or improviaent ex-
proodisure in the household of the Prince Regent.
But now it appeared. from the appointment of on
imptisitor, that this %vas the may part of the e3i-
preicliture that respired good looking after.—
( /lour, hefer.)--111t-re it was to be observed, that
ilw Lord Chninherliiiii employed, tinder him, Mr.
very
clever and rervectublt Watt--tle

1.00 Steaard's att,•tol•il lo
Mr. Hirt—awl dl r. Pinker. • who sea, mauler tie
Master of the 11..4•••,, was well ;actin :noted w 1-4 eiv
thing cointecierl with that detiartilico.
gelith•incli, be 4-mirrored, were perfeeti) Ode to
110 that business for which the toes i•i, to
be appuisited. Were they to enjoy
.sioceoore,-0!
1W:111 111 e 111.11eetal to lerrlVe s.doiy for :••II
Because sonic proem must eyitkiitly, wrier tar-
proposed arrangement, possess a %mutat re. !Oar.)
point, lie caressed, must press with con-
siderable weight oil die consideration of the II
They might eidier to prevent the lies afil•A'r from
'wing spponited—or they should take care that the
burden of Vs salary should not lw thionsu ou the
pubic. It was useless to use that it Ira• tiefrayttl
out of the saving: oil tin ('id I.•st. :Woo,. sav-
ings were woad) not It oas right that t
public should benefit by them. But the ides
of some promote. was, to .44.ve. at one entl, linll
In expend (wive Is, 111114:11 at licie
were three persims, whom he had iiaaii and it
might be supposed, r:s new iiric-r so", almond-
ed to do their dote, that they bad not perform-
ed it themselves—mum 31191. per anistion deducted
trout the salary of each of these persoos, would
just cover the expeese incurred by the creation of
the inspector.—(Hear, hour./—lt did appear to
him, timid the feasiOn for instituting such an (Aye
was, became 1 he Lords of the Treasury fooloild them-
selves unable to rope with the great officers of the
Household. This arose from the ',tomer in whirls
Ministrra had tame lido power.—llletir, hear.)--
They bad no control over the Officers of the House-
bold, end tlserefore they adopted this plait of
slr-
pointing all inspector, who coedit exercise more au-
thority than they possessed themselves—l Ilenr.)—
le, fins ever, did out tout much faith in the stio cess
of this expeliment. !le believed tiny would bear
nothing,; :donut *lre inspector, except dos untiuttl re-
quest of 1,3(101. from Paolo ttttt
Ile lit most forcible colijecti to this sebeisie of
new-model:nig of die Civil last. In his min tttttt ,
it W111;1111 be much loiter, both for the Monne h
and the public, that a liberal stun—such fo Sulu as
it would be worthy of the !loyal Fatuity to receive,
111111 wortitv of Parliament to giant—si Id be voted
by the lionise, to defray the Royal expenditure;
and if the Crown' exceeded that limit, s ttt e
strong reason should be iiviiig.netl for applying to
PartiVilielit to grant additional assistaiice.
was the most consiitutiomal mode of proeecdiiig—
for many of the itesii• connected with the Cteil
List, belonged to the Aohniiiistration of the Crown
alone, and it was lint ei.4lit that host should be
placed coder the craitiril of Parliament, us this
Bill proposed. rottilevly, rewards for improve-
ments in the Arts, far. were awarded by the
Crown—and, lie was sure, that 5,000/. grunted by
the Monarch, on sudi oreasi ttttt was attended with
ii better efl'em, than if dmilole the Main were received
from that House as a matter of bargain. Ilia this
prover of exercising feelings of taste and
hi'lleVotVlO:e had, front time to WM'. bees' with-
drawn from the Crown. Charges of the nature his
hail shoeless) to were played too this land slid nit
that fund. They became a dead burden on the
COnterv, devrit.t.tl of the gioser that pi eviorisly ilis-
tinooished them. Alai this was what was railed
providalig for the hotimir and eli4iiity of the Croan !
It son:tiled plausibly to say, that nothing would
ha laid out dry out the ordinary expenditifre of the.
Civil Lust, without Parliament being made at-
(polluted with it. Tins lie considered as no security.
'flue aggregate might lie laid before them ; but.
moles. is Committee were appointed, to implore into
the lowery of every item minimising the gross eXpeil-
ditnie, they could arrive at no useful niformationi.
Ile now came to the main subject. elleilwr, by any
possibility, he could wove to the piddle a sum of
money winch ought not to be taken from them.
The kill, after retinue the different Acts 'wised
oti the sobjeet of the. Cecil List, went ott to stale.
that the ordinary revenue of the Civil List had
been (timid nittlicient to meet the exiwialitoire--
and that the, detioneiwy sail made good out of the
dialits of the ('rows, emus other special restmli es.
or by eiaiits of Parliancesit.lie-reloy admittimz,
that only whew. the cinitiligent resources acre ca-
ll:woe/I, tut appli:•ation should be Made to the Le-
gislatoire. It tho is proceeded to set birth, that it
would be better if certain charges, to which the
Civil List wits at present liable, should Is• paid out
of the Colosolidated l'und, noel should te
othcr-
wise provides! b.r is.. W.I• there chat
Li.t, it 11pro.ard, was cooly to be charged with such
v shin as it It; tutor ihe eXpriist.s of the {toyed
IIouscho!•1—t rest %as to be defrayed nut
of the Consolidated Filiad, or in the other mode
te.oteil hi 111,. Bill. It would seem, theicfurc,
th,t Parliament were, from time tee time, to prii-
vide for those charges ohielo it etas proposed to
sr4er roan the items of the Civil List. New his
olciret was, t,, peisuade the House or C
that they might not to he Celled on In woke any
frravislun for the Civil List, until all the memo.
within the reach of the rown weir exhausted. A
eleminid, for instancy, latiag made for 100,000/.,
.
COOlelltlitifig nit exceeding beyond u particular esti-
mate, lie would refuse to pay that, if it could lie
that Driiits of Ailiiiiially, air coy other
-speeio-s fund, bchitwing to the Crown, existed,
out of which it caald be defiayed. And lie utterly
denied that the Crown ltd a right to call nu that
House to provide for an ii:ri ur uf tlw Cii ii last,
unless it U./1h rL. :Illy proved tore its toe', ras a., if
he slight use the rhiasr, were et:wasted. l'..•i-
sidelitig• the siett:,' tic the 111 N—the past generosity
of Parliament amid the present state of tilt'
shun),! have thought that Goverunieut
would lint have called for a le slopenee from
the !work, indess there was no (olivr pok.t.4llle
resntireo from %skill it could be derived. low
stead of that, the Intl before Use !louse loft the
drools of the Clown lo the hands of the Crown,
1611111 pledged Parliament to provide for the mit-
e-cangs of the Civil Li•t.—llleor, Irtor.)—Per-
haps it would be said, diet the Civil List exprodi-
titre would, in the List li:stance, lie met liv dense
fusels. lie should iiln2 to hear such it Iliee!;11*.a.1011;
although, he collie:veil, it would toot entirely satisfy
him-...because an 111111rOpriltiOn of those funds, for
purposes of the description to which be had
ought to be autirtioned l y how.—He felt that it
would be no deirespeet to the Crown to loser x
clause imortted in the Bill now befor e the Howse,
by which the funds appertaining to the Croon
should be made liable to its extra- expenciiiiire.
The Viiilll4 be (Nlr. "fieroley) meant to mud.

%.:;stint,l.. 1::0.i• ;111 atiu. 1.11... ;t In ni.i• c. .rlotoo-s of the v.hielt Inot s•
the flotee should nut tin to tot.,„,
mono• fir the t.l.:::reilittsr,% of the I 'it it Lot.
until the town could ahoy. thit all pity no let,
%title!' conlil lie thAtle 0111 or a:iy ret4nirous v. 111.1,,
it, pusetr h:.•1 beri'. sir meat." I indeed, lit tonne, r .
rd, that, I't -'tirtnv.., Paoli ut,rnt Ought? t ,k.• i ,'•,
t400,0'111/. te-t ear. to pay all tie exl*ii t.sof the Citii
I.lst, hut lie could not Oily aucit
" Thertfore," attic! !Insisters, " ileums • the CI, SI
1 ist, rtotl ta!' on the public to pay tliote
tionli toe hilteti from it." To this the ails.,
a riicreihro4 Lard ritir
iiioni•retli --lila-% tire 14,4 priliared for it, mole*. assioeh
In thy or alit sl I'6:left:re, plum to 0.11
ounivitaking tie I.l)t..rett of your ttr!)l,, let iffit
••• wird ‘ivir nor, Vold titell He 1,111 :!S•l.,
tun " ft was t.• •sy, iu thy
that the res.ott.,:vs of Ilit twou slion hi bet
and, thou they wetc et.li.•'nstrtl, itarn tilt' I,olo•r
time would aro ivri coming to Paltainent.
lel tied a doubt, would act with browsing :;.-•ero.
sity. Perlia; h it %%mild be argued, lint tois
; such a course might lir eikra
in the ordiaary teoile of proceeding. lint a hat he
cionplained o f wag. that it never hurl ht eti done; lied,
therefore, Its cots! I not tel.e the weld of A1111;,lef4
011 the SHI/je rt.—(llc4ir.)—By a minute of tte-
Treteqtre, then before the llintae, they meth! find,
that ass order final been recently given, for delusive
111 g the exceeding* of the Civil List, out of the
property of the Crown, to the amount of ,2;7,004.
Hod thee nit then a right to look to the serum( • • '
of the Clowit ? A Mr. Tioutbrek, it upprared,
had sited intestate—and, in consequonce, trte stint of
au,uuol. became die property or thr Moogrch. 1,, I lie
hour of difficulty, eccourse was had to chi-. liin.
for the urrear of the Civil Litt, Mr. Ttoistheel,'s
Raving died without heirs, would never littve come
to tilt it knowledge. The Lords of the Treasetry
made an order to have this property sold, and they-
' Notified the proceeds to the use of the Civil 1...5t.
The residue or the v77,04)1/. was still to he Wade
good. mid 190,000/. were taken from the (holt. •;,.
Adinoralty—still leaving a deficit of 7,000/. le-
dependent of this, an order had been Made, withal
a very abort period, for the payment of 20,000/.
frion the drcits of Admiralty, to defray the expel's'.
incurred by the Prince Regent, for his private
lugs at lit 401(011—(f/ear, hear,)--and 50,the1.
lied also been issued from the same final, to pi.
fir the new-furnishing of those additional bodsi-
itigs.—( 1 lear.)—So that new building,, the pre.:
tion of which cost only '20,000/. required how.:
tore to the ninotint of .50,000/. Even alter these
large iesues Is the ilroits of Admiralty, there slit
remained V 77,000/. still unappropriated— (licar.l
—Tliejtiglit 110 tttttt ruble t;eistleman diet, adverted
in very strong terms to the urrear of the Civil List,
for the quarter **mho:, on the .sth of April
111114 tttt ting to 141,000 f. for %illicit the I lauce had
to provide. Ile argued, that if a proper Paris:,
ineetary check existed eith referenvo to the ay-
prapriatimi of the (bias of Adtitirii7tv, 70,000 f.
of this sum 'initial have been saved to the poistle ;
since the order for nit issue of 20,000/. for new
building% at Brighton. and of 50,000/. for fttruntias
ing thew, would not have emanated from the l'tea-
sury, 1.4 such a isecesmary control been sanctioned
by Pa' Itaaleot. in conclusion, the Right flon.(i in.
read his anieudnielit, a 'deb pledged the Must ent
to grant any stein of money, in liquirheion of any
azitur of she Coil List, until It was cletarl -hew;;,
that the Crown had exhausted all its own irsourro,„
iu defraying the different charges, before the appli-
eatioo was niude.
IVlien the proper clause was read, the nmi nd-
ment was put flout the chair, in the it•ual loom.
Lord C tSTI.EIIFAGII, in a speech of torsi(', rattle
length, opposed the arguments nddnryd ht 111
Tierney. Ile ehserved, that it more inaehabie
C0111(1 1101 he advanced, than that of vet Inc
certain ttttt I fixed snap for the siti,re•t of tile
List. From one fart which he should :date to the
Masse. this would apisear evident. The e!tpleoili-
tune. eintilturing a petio.l of war with a period of
peace—uoimatring the Lite. with the lore-wet stale
of the Continent—fleirtuated in a ratty ot how le('
his 40.1,4109/ per itiminn.—So that tl,e prooasi-
lion of the ltight float. Gentleman o hate tilt
ell Yet of reiitlettog the Crowns, at ore 1110:11e14.
or 300,0n0/. tichyr than it need to be, while, et
another. it would be proportionably 'I i.e.
:Noble Lora next defeawied the appnintnn it or 71:t
I asiallior, who was to investigate the ex pe iiiht out e
its ',regrets, and to audit the accounts of the Ito.: al
flouselinkl, as a wire. nod salutary iiiro•ure. Hod
one which was particularly recommeesteil hy the
Cud List Committee. Ile argued stion;l.., tint ti
Parliament withdrew from the Clown the si,;.t
which It at present possessed to appropriate the v
111 l s lireite, it would deprive the 510'1310i of
of Isis most important privileges, and would CI ;M.
liini in the fair exercise of his most impel toot fa:, -
tions. lie denied that the Bill pledged tlic 11011se t-'
discharge, without due and proper consider:die'', 1.1. y
arrear of the Civil List, which the ('town
request in have liquidated. The Bill did no see'.l
thing. It left Parliament in the 101 l exeti ise cf
ism I •er,--atill gave it a greater degree of coo-
tr..i titer tlw Droits of Admiralty than it err
liehey pose ...est— htliCe, in etalh111111111:12 I.f the it'
piclVlSllo.h. the state of those 1)1(11,4 tons% ;nice
us the Seseion, he forced nu their rh•tiiqdi•ratiori.
The 114,,,1it lion. (;esitleman said. there Has a
stun of 1,-;7,0001. Dreits of A11141111:Ite, 110 w :t1
the disposal of the Crown. This was list 1: e
fact. Alueli of it belonged to foreign pot. •
—America claimed li.!,000/.; rranet,
the Dine,. ,f.htpizta ; the Dutch sisal
on. To prove that there was no lair c, ousel 1.1
which to build a Sllsocltth that firoiti. of A.l-
- had been intploperly used, be' ant:ld
their appropriation &um the accei.nin el las ie eseot
Nlejelity. r,f course he would not nweition the re-
wards given to the army and nevi-, since it west
mileecrererislicYttb:,l4liiii)ll:s3ll'intillastetri'avlhe.entipithiCeitCy,":'"exulivils"::
Incorrect could he done. Since the accessum, thes,
there 'vas ',sued from those droita
:n the public service 4.902'-'.e'
1.0.4141.111 e C11-il Let
it, itotiur brsiirbes of the Royal Fartilt ,up
t 01,15
11. tl:s latter tun), übeir et*

•
A.bliJa.-tration or which the Right non. (lens
arrows Vas a Member. Here, then, it appeared.
that of upwarda of 4,000,0001. of Droits, not
00,0101. was grouted to the Royal Familv—the
rest w (1.-voted to the public service. So that
tiny iiiipsitation of mismanagement or pnrtin-
lity, in the appropriation of these funds, Inn it he
c..tifiliesl to this narrow limit. With respect to the
sio,Pird. (thieved for furniture, that did not apply
to any trot of the buildings at Brighton, but was
approprketed to the generill expense of furnishing
the Pavilion. The Prince Regent bad Imiil out con-
Aiderabfe sums, from his privy purse, on those build-
inga—and perhaps he was the only individual of
such elevated rank in Europe, who, on retiring to
the (smithy, In us his capital, could say that he
lived in a boost of hiss 0wn...-/ Laughter.)...._
The Noble Lord concluded by stating, that he did
not deny the principle of the responsibility of
Ministers for the ex..entliture in (itieptiiiii, although
be could see no shadow of reason for admitting the
ail irtotiment peopu•vd.
Mr. MINIM, in explanation, stated, that he
did not mein to have the expenditure takeii out of
the fiends in which it was at present placed. All
he desired was, that the balance. after the paymeut
of ell necessary expenses of captors, Etc-should be
uppropriated under the control of Parli.iinent.

Mr. PONSONDY was astonished at the manner in
which the Noble Lord had misconceived the object
of his Right I ion. Friend, which was, not that the
balance. after the discharge of all proper demands,
be withdrawn from the hands of the Crown,
hut that. instead of remaining at its discretion, it
should be made available for the public service un-
der the control of Parliament. The Noble Lord
had said that the money was appropriated wider the
responsibility of Ministers ; why, suppose it was so
appropriated, but when Parliament cams' to inquire
into the matter, it would be found the moony hail
been spent, and the deficiency must he made up.—
They might as well at once make the Civil List a
present of 255,0001. and charge that amount upon
.the public. Was it not, therefore, essential, that
the House should have some security from Ministers
as to the future conduct of this feud ? If tine were
not done, when a future excess arose, the Minister,
in calling for a vote of money, would say, " True,
the money I reckoned upon has beets misapplied,
but yet I have to pay the expenditure of foreign
Ministers and other public functionaries, and surely
you will not disallow claims 2f this description."—
( Hear. J—The Minister would, perhaps, ray the
money ass gone, there was no help for it, and the
deficiency must be made up. It was right to pre.
vent the wontiociance of such a system. Ile did
not like to speak harshly of certain points of expen-
diture connected with this subject—hut it was no-
torious that money had beets profusely voted for
tie Civil List, and if there ever was one question
more than another in which the public mind would
put to the test the faith arid honour of its re-
presentative voice, this was that question.-111ear.i
It was well known. that some gentlemen, in coin-
ing to hone upon it, would consult feeling+
ms-
infested in particular quarters. But IE7 hoped, the
majority *f that Route would feel, that at a mo-
ment when the credit of the initien Mrs shaken to
its centre—when one great member of the empire
wea declared in a state of public bankruptcy—ai.d
when the people from one end of the country to the
complained of the intoleruble burdens wider
which they were weighed down—that at sucliii mo-
ment they would see the necessity of yielding to the
wishes of those who, more than the Crown, more
than the Ministers, were entitled to relief, and who,
least of all, under existing circumstances, should
be saddled with one farthing of expense which could
by possibility be avoided. It was his firm opinion
that, if the House sanctioned the provision of
f,...55,000% now called for, without providing against
future abuse, it would do mere real injury to its
own character than it had ever done by any act in
the estimation oldie people of England.—/Hear./

Mr. 11USILISSON Was at a hiss to Sue how casual
rums could be affixed to meet the demand of a cer-
tain expenditure. He was decidedly of opiiiims,
that Parliament had the fullest power• of control
its the law at present stood, and that it was evident
no abuse in the management of those funds had in
point of fact taken place, for out of 4,000,000/.
which the (bolts of the Crown had produced, up-
ulnas of 3,000,000 i. had been applied to the services
O. the navy and army. Let the subject be ex-
ra Mord iiccording to the test of former tinies-1, t
the fourth and fifth classes of this expenditure, as
they now stood, he compared with the same nom;
i:uring the eight last years of George 11., awl the
eight first of George expenditure of tar
fourth class was now 234,000/. In the year curium;
1:,t• Ml July, 1753, this chasge was t27li,onot.
daring the eight lid lowiiig y ears it was 234,7:id. Ile
also slieced, that the 5111 dim of the expenditure
Lad, in the course of 70 years, oily increased
a-year, although in latter timer, the pub-
lic had unfortunately to encounter the expense of
two ustablishments in a braneh of the Royal fainsly,
110 could here conihat the unfounded prejudice
which prevailed out of doors, imputing a lavish ex-
penditure to the establishment of the Soverei4n—
/Hear,froni the Oppositiott Benches.) There could
not lw a snore unfounded imputation—( Hear,)—
ftw dining a recent period, the abolition of nearly
'.O ofFees connected with the household departuieut
Jui,4 becii arderecl.—(War.)
. BURPF.TT complimented the mover of the
Mme n.hu~ut upon the great ability lie had displayed
Oil this usguments remained unan-
swered Iran the beg• • g. The Right Honour-
'able Gewleman who last spoke had rather unions-
bui les ergumeut on the comparative expeuse
tif t he household between the present anal past
Tlx expense, loused, incurred on tlse
form er occasion was, 1111 bad been truly said, for
the maintenance of the splendour of the Crown,
which lie (Sic Francis) would freely admit had been
of late years retrenched to a degree, that the So-
vereign appeared in a proper reuse to ire shots;
of his true splendour.—(Cries If hear, hear.)—
This was a had principle, for under the shew of
economy to the public, the people were ultimately
called on to make up the deficiency.—(Hear.)—
Thy Noble 'Lord had said that 11w Funds of the
Civil List were incompetent to Dire its dentinal..
Then why not come forward and fairly say so
not at once cull upon Parham:lit to adopt a
,Tamiard for meeting this burl of deficiency ?
Noble toed would do uo such thing, because

tlwn the argument would ariae as to the corny.
teucy of the people, as they now stood, to supply
the balance. The principle of the right of the
Crown womb! elm he called in rysiegiosi : lie :a-
bided to that most equivocal claim of the Crown
to seizures of the property of friendly powers (or
rather of their subjects), antecedent to tiny decla-
ration of war—u claim that was in direct contra-
vention with more than one principle of Magna
Chart*. What a premium was here given for act*
of pineystet:~, the profits of which, Recording to
the present plan, went into one particular channel,
while the people had to hear the cousequeswee of
them. withrmt any of the profit, by enduring Vie re-
prisals and hostilities to which they naturally led.—
(Hear.)—The Fast attempt at this mistimed right
of the Cicero wait, so far its his informs • went.
the attack of Charles the Second on the Smyrna
fleet—an ittempt which, in the result, did not
hull the expectetimis of those who i.lanned it.
The Honourable Ilitromet then pr0ee...1,-.1 to chew
that the Act of Settlement, which rtvtlatrtl the
Civil List, had not in its provisions reserved to
the Crown the right now contended for, It there-
fore could not have Media 1411111 a reservation. The
only course then was. on the part of the public,
to provide a proper check for the future fonds,
without leavitg the matter open to what was called
the responsibility of Ministers. He could not refrain
from adverting to the larger sum, which was gene-
rally alluded to, and the minor sum, to which parti-
cular *lesion had been made. Now 100,0001. had
been voted, it was mill, to the junior brandies of the
Royal Family. Was the Priory of Wales a junior
branch ? Were the Dukes of York and Clarence
junior branches? There were other junior brandies
(who came touch more properly within the term)
wholly overlooked, not, lie hoped, ',realise they had
growu familiar with upright and independent prin-
ciples. The aboae of allowsog this expetiditure
to rend with the Crown was flagrant—it was full
time that sonic arrangement should take place,
in which both the Crown and the public would be
equally mingled. The. lion. Baronet then made
some pointed comparative allusions to the expendi-
ture for funsiture at Blightun, and the total want
of any attention to those palace* to which the public
would naturally feel a predilection. When the
Right Host. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Huskiseon)
bail asserted that the Droits of the Crown were ne-
cessary for the support of its splendour. he (Sir
Francis) felt, and felt strongly. that this great addi-
tional expense had quite a contrary effect. and that
so far Irma adding to the real splendour of the
Crown, it subatract;d (ruin it. The individual who
maintained a contrary opinion could possibly sup.
port his ease, but he (Sir Francis) thought that it
would require the haw habit of official assertion,
with which the Right Honourable Gentleman
was perhaps conversant—(!leer, hear, hear I—
to snake out a rase in support of his %tegument.
Ile (Sir Francis) hoped lie would not succeed
here ; for, with all due respect, lie tuust my,
th.t lie could not embark eta of doors in the
mine discussion without exciting a laugh. It was
too much to say, at a time like tin*, when almost
every wan was obliged to limit his expenditure,
and inert his income, that there remained only one
quarter in the country impervious to public feel-
ing.—/ Hear, hear.)— The proposition of the Right
lion. Member (Mr. Tieniey), was most moderate,
and met his entire approbation,--/Hear, hear.)
Mr. Ilusetssoo and Sir F. BUILDLTr mutually
explalued. .

Lose opposed the amendment, sod denial
that the Crown could hr sold to have compromised
its right, when the settlement of the Civil List was
arranged.
Sir F. BuRIMT spin explained.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE spoke from the Treasury
Bench, amid loud cries of— (Qmestioe, question !J
Mr. Thitary expLinett what hr conceived to
have been mi►apprehensions of his meaning, and
assented to the opinion expressed by Sir F. Burdett,
that his proposition was, if any thing, too moderate.
'rhe gullery was then cleared fur a division, when
there wiirsd—
tn to favour of the Ameitilinent
Apaiust it

Ntsjority ll4
The Hydrometer Bill was lead a second time,
and ordered to he committed on Thursday next.
Lord Al traox askid the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer whether there were not Souse Bills in the
(louse relative to the Assessed Taxes, by which
the exemptions from the Assessed Taxer granted
to persons baring a certain maniller of children, in
roimrtfuesice of their cuntailniting to the Properly
Tax, %mild lie taken away ?
The CIIANCEI.I.OR of the EactimluEa replied,
that initlonhtedly the Exemptions formerly en-
joyed by those persons would he taken sway, es the
cause of the original indulgence had caused with
the termination of the Property Tax.
Lord MILTON remarked, that by such a mea-
sure those persons would be the only class of society
not relieved by the cetsation of the Property Tax.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE said, that those persons
would merely he placed in the same situat• iu
which they stood before the Property Tax.