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and which now called for the speeitie measures proposed.
De opposed the committee trrealti.e lie load thought a dif-
ferent mode more convenient ; but. having been une of its
member/I,lre could say that they had not begun the inquiry
with any partial or prejudiced determination.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose to state the
corrodes :460ns which iiifluesiced hi sss in the vote he should
give. In doing so, be felt that it might lo be the wish of
every humane man and enlightened legislator to reduce
punishineut to the bounds of strict necessity. Where the
law was enforced, crimes were iiimiuished; where re:
lazed, crimes were in • it in number. By the intro..
driction of traosportation for the minor otfenee, the forgery
of the negotiable instruments of the Bank of England was
increased. The forget y of private instrnments was visited
with capital punishment, and wit. therefore less frequent.
Government were nut to blame fur having neglected to
provide secondary punishments. It was a matter of ma-
terial consideration whether there was any secondary
punishment 1.111 existence for forgery. If there was no
punishment iu transportation, it was a question whether
indemnity or a positive bounty on forgery was to be
enacted. They were at work to strip fingers of every
circumstance which constituted a punishment calculated
to prevent it. Now, forgery was so fatal to the a hole
order of society, and iu its nature so aggravated an of-
fence, that it was necessary to visit it with a punishment
that should carry terror to the minds of all.
Mr. WILBERFORCE could not go to a division with-
out giving his testimony in favour of the bill. Whatever
might be the final determination, none ought to iota
against going into a committee, unless they were so in love
with the present system that no change was thought de.
sirable or practicable. To extinguish life was to extin-
guish hope, and to destroy an 1411111411 tel soul.
Sir JAMES MACINTOSH proceeded to argue the
question before the house. If his silence might not be
considered unbecoming, he should have been well content
to have rested the case on the speech of his hon. friend
(Mr. Barton)—a speech so complete as to have exhausted
the whole question, and so luminous as he had never be-
fore had the good fortune to hear in that house. (Cheers.)
It would be needless and irksome to follow on the same
side, and if he might be silent, he should willingly rest the
measure on the principles of that admirable exposition.
It was to facts and inferences such as-were there pre-
sented, that the house was bound to attend. He stood
not there to refute hypercriticism; but he did not abstain
front any consciousuers of inability to defend the report
front the objections made to it. (Cheers.) Alter much
forcible reasoning expressed in must eloquent language,
the hon. and !corned gent. concluded by saying that he
now left it to any lion. gent. who chose, to exercise the
right of speaking after him.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL supported the amend-
ment at some length.
house then divided—Ayes, 118—Noes, I l—Majo-
t iiv 41 her the original motion.
4 )11 neere-admission we found the house in a committee
e t- I, Air. Buxton in the Chair.

re i t tat nit), alteratiune or discussions arising
• 3:",. be pustpourd till the bringing up of
and the report was ordered to be
:,• •• •
I y 1 i I)Sft postponed the other two

•is • • *. os • :Vat .!ny were then disposed of, and
ti.e • r •

. ~R•PAY, MAY 2/.
AU , ' • • :•,nred for leave to withdraw the New-
;act, • , . •,, doi, the nartieb concerned in.tving come
to ~ . •1,11, A I:ICT9eIIC,. - _

• •-% ••esird h s saCsfaction at the motion.
.

Ai'. A• , • • p•c•e..ie,l a petition, praying the house to
r-i- ..sy tholes on the importation of corn. He
thus.: duties had operated most injuriously
on .01 , I. •
AI.. t 1'•. WEN defended the agriculturalists.
Air. HU 11F. cite the corn laws hid operated most iititt.
tines,e.
Ai.. T. vvit..l) I thought the petitioners were proceeding
snot" .hat errone•••ely I it would have been better to petition
tin• G'•aurrilnr iit lilt Exchequer to brinik down the taxes to
Rio :inioutit c.c. spotiiiing with the ♦;Jut of money, land, Ac.
Pel•tion r, sit to the agricultural committee without
hat Mg beeire.,d.

presented n prtition from Newington
Greta the metropolis road bill.—Ordertd to lie mi
the tide.
Sir N. PARNELL ptesenird t petition, signed by the
fonr Catimlie Archbi+moys, and 'mum ity of the Catholic
Clergy of Ireinivi, on behalf of the education of the pour.—
Ordered to lie mi the table.

Mr. BIRCH i)rebenied a petition from Nottingham rigninq
the poor fans amendment bill. Petilino read anti ordered
to be printed._

Mr. C. HARVEY presented a similar petition flan Nor-
wich, Ordered to be printed.
Cul. DAVIS moved that a select committee be appointed
to examine into certain culpable piattices in the clover and
trendl seed trade—practices by weans of whit h the vegeta.
'tr= qualities of the seed were destroyed without being
discowerable by any except most experienced persons.—
Inotioo ay.:reed to.

FOUR A ND .1 LP P6RCEIT.DUTIRS.—NIr.CI: LEVEY
rore to bring fora turd h s promised notion respecting a certain
duty of fats and and n half per ct nt. chargeable on the Lee-
ward and Barbadocs Istainis. Ile took occasion the other
night to object to the grata of 7,a001„ for forts at Barb:Mites,
because lie entaitlei,A there forts, &r. ought to be kept in
repair by such duty. Hut instead of the duty being so tip.
pityriaied, it was diverted to the pas ititit of certain pet.-
tu certain lords and ladies, from a hose consequence,
wh.m he r. tlectill, he crrtainly did tint exp. et any very
greiit success %mild attend has taut inn. lbe however wi,hed
the house to hear in mind that hi, first reai tutio t related to
Barb:Woes oaly. Ile next a.l. et lel to the 1663, for
the reparation ondtitnsitin;uf tot lii, attous, it ,to he paid
by the lota not a h If per cent. duty ; but in it lie hound
aid Mug about the ;my mem of 1/Claal,lo6 to certain lands laud
lathe*, and certainly nothing 4111.41 uronry going into the
pl. lots of meant, ri of that noose ite Ihr shape 1.1 pea...m.—
(11e ir, hear )—'fit e duties itere alio.. aat E 4 iteeoirit to It
the hertilitacy rev, nue of the croa ; but (,tuna 4114.1 e %as
addressed tit direct the (Whet. In lit rilipo.p. Latod NCI Ilfdifig
to the terms t he ..let. malty years %aril, itv.g
in toe &into: or pen-ions mere "ranted. The duty was ,übis
jeeii d it.) the payment of ItNloi, to Lord Kin:foul ; but now
stontl that grunt d It was pursuant to the arrangement made
at the t ;knot lit of lift Otdoes. Aft er ards, however pa it-
( Per mistiniotivra verve 1;74