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coals on board the ships should be as efficient as possible,
but that there should always be a sufficient supply of coals,
and that that supply should not be dependent upon the
direction of the wind.. There wag at Plymouth and in the
Medway a number of hulks, which might very easily-be
fitted up with steam power and employed in carrying coals
from this country, and then there would be no necessity to
rely upon sailing vessels for a supply of coals from Malta
or Gibraltar. He would also endeavour to facilitate the
means of coaling in those districts. He trusted that he
should be excused for entering into those details, for they
formed part of the subject under consideration, and, if not
attended to, the cost of the war would be enhanced to an
enormous extent. Vessels were now in a great measure
dependent on, for their motive power, a most expensive
fuel, which, if rendered scarce in those districts, might
rise to 10/. a ton. Though the noble lord opposite
(Lord Panmure) was not responsible for all that had
taken place, still some blunders had occurred since
he had accepted office. A noble lord had already pointed
out that a vessel which received a body of troops on
board was obliged to 'unship them, owing to some misun-
derstanding, and he (Lord Hardwicke) was inforines. that
some curious blunders had lately been made, showing that
these departments were still in a state of " higgledy-
piggledy," and required watching with the greatest care,
or the country would be put to the greatest expense, and
the army involved in the greatest difficulty. The other
day it was desired to erect, at the seat of war before Sebas-
topol, some hospital huts for convalescents, and the engi-
neer whose duty it was to erect them found that the Go-
vernment had sent over the huts in three ships, of which
only one had arrived iu the harbour at Balaklava. That
ship, however, had only brought the -roofs and floors ; the
ship that was next coming had the walls on board, and the
ship behind carried the windows and doors. Under ethese
circumstances the engineer was completely paralaysed, for
he could not put up the huts until the second and third
ships arrived. (Hear.) He would repeat another anec-
dote he had heard. A quantity of harness was sent to the
Crimea, and, when the cases were opened, it was found
that they contained no back traces, so that the harness
was of uo use at all. A noble lord had described the army
as an army with a head and a body, but no legs, so that it
could not move. However, to facilitate that operation, a
number of American lumber waggons were sent to the
Crimea. Those waggons were fitted with poles, but not
shafts • and, though there was harness ready, it appeared
that it made for shafts, and poles ; and there was no
harness for leaders. These blunders, when all put to-
gether, were fatal to Um progress of the war and to the
success of our arms, and, as he intended to give his vote
'
for the resolutions, he only performed his duty in showing
that everything had not been done to enable our forces to
achieve success. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of ELGIN said it was with very great reluctance
that he was about to trespass for a few moments upon the
attention of their lordships, more especially as the noble
earl who had given way to him had much greater
claims on their notice ; but as he (the Earl of Elgin) had
been absent from this country for some time, he feared that
a silent vote on the subject before their. lordships' house
might be liable to misconstruction. He had intimated to
the noble viscount at the head of the Government his desire
to give him an independent support; but it had also ap-
peared to him that, in the critical circumstances of the
country, it was the bounden duty of every public man to
tender a hearty god generous support to the Government
of the Queen ; and he had nosy to determine whether cir-
cumstances had occurred which should induce him to join
in a vote condemnatory of the Government. Nothing had
occurred in the interval to make him regret that the pledge
of support be had tendered was not unqualified. Neither
in the Crimea nor at Vienna had any successes which had
attended the exertions of the Governruost been so complete
as to cause the germ of hope he had reposed in the admi-
nistrative ability of the noble viscount (Palmerston) to
ripen into perfect confidence. (Hear, hear.) But when
asked to unite in a vote of condemnation on the Govern-
ment, he had to ask first, was the condemnation just;
and next, would it contribute towards the redress of
the evils the existence of , which all deplored ? Now, it
was notorious that the condition of the army in the Crimea
had of late very much improved, and that the Government
were prepared with a scheme for the reorganisation of the
military departments ; and to condemn the Government
in the face of these things would be a violation of justice.
The noble earl who proposed it kept out of sight the
changes which had lately occurred in the Government, and
charged all the blaLse supposed to attach to the conduct of
the war upon the present Administration. The first part
of the resolutions referred to the general conduct of the
war, and was conceived in terms of exuberant exultation.
Not word of national friendships of long standing broken ;
desolation carried into many happy homes ; Europe in
arms ; Asia agitated to its centre ; America sullenly ex-
pectant. The latter part of them was couched in terms of
exuberant denunciation. But the departments impugned
by the latter part of the resolutions had been changed,
and the departments alluded to in the former part re-
mained in the same hands. And the doctrine of govern-
mental responsibility could not be carried so far as to
make the present Administration responsible for the blame
attached to the military departments of the former Govern-
ment. Even, however, if he could concur in the censure
proposed to be cast upon the Government, he should be un-
willing to do so in favour of the noble earl opposite, and
thus to bring about a change of Government at a time when
it was most objectionable to have frequent changes of Admi-
nistration. He happened to be on the Continei tat the
time when the last change of Government took place, and
the most painful impressions were created in foreign coun-
tries as to the instability of our administrative system in
consequence of these frequent changes of administration.
And not the least of the calamities which the war had
brought upon us was the tendency which it had in many
quarters to throw discredit on our constitutional govern-
ment. (Hear.) The only loss which was really irrepar-
able was the loss of character. (Hear.) Still there was a
large measure of consolation. As to the military depart-
ment, the character of the British soldier for moral quali-
ties and physical endurance had been raised to an extent
it never had attained before. In spite of the unfavour-
able tone of a portion of the American press, he had seen
in influential journals of the United States commentaries
on the conduct of our army at Alma and Balaklava which
no true-het rted Englishman could read withoneemetion.
And he had heard tribute not less generous borne
to them by our French allies. He had heard,
also, from bigptted votaries of that branch of the
Christian Church which prided itself on having re-
tained within its limits room for the exercise of the heroic
virtues of Christiani y, a frank admission that the hospi-
tals at Scutari had shown that the fairest and choicest
flowers of Christian charity would blo )m even in that
which they were accustomed to call the arid soil of Pro-
testantism. (He,,ar.) He doubted if the character of states-
men, and public men, and of Parliamentary institutions,
had proportionably risen. (Hear.) It was notorious that
doubt had been created, in quarters where it never had
existed before, as to the practical efficiency of our much-
vaunted constitution, and its fitness to carry us unscathed
through periods of peril. (Hear.) There was only one way
in which these doubts could be removed. Let public men
evince the same indifference to personal motives, and the
same generous patriotism, and the same disinterested de-
votion to duty, which had characterised our soldiers in the
field and the women of England at the sick bed. (Cheers.)
If--which God forbid--it should be otherwise, and if, un-
happily, in those whom fortune and rank or royal favour
placed in the van these qualities were wanting, who
should dare to blame the press and the people of kng
land if they looked for those qualities elsewhere? (Cheers.)
The Earl of WINCHILSEA said he was compelled
solemnly to declare his conviction that this was an unjust
war, which ought never to have been entered into ; and,
therefore, he founded his support of the resolutions on this:
that the Government bad shown a want of judgment in
placing the army in a situation in which, humanly speak-
ing, success was impossible, and sacrifice inevitable, with
out the special intervention of Almighty Providence. He
did not attribute to the Government all the disasters that
had occurred, which were partly owing to the impolitic
course pursued by the other house—in obedience to the re-
publican faction in reducing our military establishments.
The Victualling Office, the Commissariat Board, the Trans-
port Board, the Medical Board, all had been affected or
destroyed by these reductions, and the result had been to
render us, upon the outbreak of the war, unready for any
great effort. The Baltic fleet had left England in a most
disgraceful state as to its manning ; and it was well for us
that the Russians had not met it. The object of the Se-
bastcpol committee was to blind the public as to the real
causes of our disasters. He should vote for the resolu-
tions, although not perhaps approving of every part of
them, because the substance of them was this, that the
Government had shown a want of the judgment and ca-
pacity essential for the conduct of such a war.
Earl GRANVILLE said he wondered that the noble
lord could support resolutions, the first of which approved
the justice and necessity of the war in which we were
engaged. He disagreed with the noble earl in the opinion
he had expressed, that if the Russian fleet had come out we
should have suffered. (Earl Hardwicke—Hear, hear.) On
the contrary, I regret that the opportunity was wanting to
our gallant sailors of gaining a great victory. (Cheers.)
The noble earls who had spoken in this debate had not
agreed in their tactics, and the noble earl who had brought
forward these resolutions had appeared to countenance, in
supporting the last of them, the line taken by a leading
opposition paper, in representing the families of the
Cowers, the Howards, and the Cavendishes sitting in con-
clave, and dictating to the Premier the colleagues lie
should choose. (A laugh.) Now, my lords (said the noble
earl), I am a Gower —(a laugh)—but I am the only Gower
who has any official employment. I am related to a Ca-
vendish, and the noble duke at the head of that house has
not shown himself slow to discover and encourage genius,
even when found among the very lowest classes of society.
(Hear, hear.) I see near me the heir presumptive-to that
house, who did not shrink at the university from success-
ful competition with the ablest and best-educated men of
his day ; nor did he shrink in his private capacity from
aiding the country in any undertaking. . And, as far as I
remember, his only relation bearing the name of Caven-
dish is a geptleman who is fattening on the enormous emolu-
ments attached to the Foreign Office service. My lords,
lam also, I am sorry to say, related to some of the
Howards. (Loud laughter.) Not to " all the Howards ;"
for since the time of Pope they have so wonderfully
multiplied and increased (laughter)—that I believe
Mr. Horace Mann would find them as numerous as the
Smiths. (Lauihter.) But the member of the Howard
family selected by the Queen to represent her in Ireland
is certainly not, in the west riding of Yorkshire, or any-
where in the United Kingdom, considered inimical to the
middle classes. My lords, I may as well make a clean
breast of it—(laughter)—and I must admit that some of
those who have gone before me had such quiversfull of
daughters who did not die old maids—(laughter)—that I
have relations on this side of the house ; I have relations
on the crossbenches—(hear, and laughter)—and I have re-
lations on the opposition. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Nay, I have had the unparalleled misfortune of having no
less than three cousins in the Protectionist Administration
of the noble earl opposite. (Laughter, and hear, hear.)
Notwithstanding all these hereditary infirmities--(l a ughter)
—I have had occasion, in a career not so brilliant as that
of the noble earl, to mix much with the middle classes, and
to acquire greater sympathy, perhaps, with them than he
possesses—and notwithstanding his adulation of them, I
doubt if his admiration for their peculiar characteristics
came quite as freely and frankly from his lips as the sneers
in the former part of his speech. There has been on this
subject great misapprehension in the public mind as to the
appreciation by official men of rnen distinguished in private
business, and the facility of obtaining such men to fill offi-
cial posts. I remember one of the departments abolished
by the House of Com mons because it was "too expensive ;"
before that happened it lost its secretary because a com-
mercial company offered him double the salary he was re-
ceiving from the Government. And a friend of mine, at
the head of one of the departments, the expense of which
was found fault with last year, was offered 2,000/. a year
(double that which he receives from the Government) by
a great 001521ilercig corapapy—an offer he declined to ae•

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cept. I myself received an offer of the chairmanship of
the greatest commercial company in the country.; and th„....st
office had been filled by two members of the aristocracy ..
one of
.them a descendan with he Plantaenets-r--(laughter!
-who does the businesscredit to himself and advan
tags to the company. Lord Palmerston offered a fa-1
councillorship to Mr. Laing. That gentleman took ht.g ,
honours at Cambiidge and went to the bar. He aecentee
a clerkship in the Board of Trade, and after a short time
left it to practise in his own profession. In the first year
he received ten times the amount he received as a civil„,.
servant of the Crown. He was afterwards at the bead of
two companies, one of which he saved from bankruli.tl.!
Prilt;
and he is at the head of one of the most remarkable i
enterprises in the country. No doubt, he is exactly .
kindo of man to assist us in organising departments ; but. D,i'i
there
not accede to the offer of the Government. 3-00°11
are many-mercantile or professional men wh° sr
not be so blind,ae to give up their business for the te
porary occupation of political office. My lords, I hY,,.1113°t
Means say that there are no men of business wlio_vl2i,co
be made available for the public service, but I '
vil't,ch
Correct a misapprehension that it is want of offers ning
keeps men of eminence in private business from enter
ob-
the public service. The noble earl went on to be
ject to the resolutions because tart implied 'rbfaar
could not concur in. Secrecy was part of the art o. J.
and not more secresy, but especially the exaggeratio
~,,i_';
oneprosperity, and the concealment of our detects. 1,,,,/
Russians were such masters of this stratagem that theY,'
extorted the treaty of Adrianople when they had 0n1y0291
fighting men in the field. Napoleon told his generals t
ot°
the troth to him, but lie to all the world. Washingto
srieo
sorted to the same art. The Duke of Wellington follow a .
be con
different system; he concealed all that ought to . -out
cealed, but when obliged to speak be spoke the tint
we had done that which no other country bad the v1...4
to do-we had laid ourselves on the operatingable, Yr..,
had dissected ourselves in the face of clay. This was o:ryle7;
to something interwoven in our institutions. 13.'l 001
deficiency had been exaggerated and published la, _O,
newspaper and every speech. No doubt this was not
news
out advantage ; for a great country, proud of its e,l'IT„ the
and relying on its resources, might thus be rouses
Ter,to
correction of faults in its system. But were we
_rile beer,
get out of this eternal abuse of ourselves ? (Ji-e„o' u the
from the Ministerialists ) The impression left er-ljeg-
mind from a perusal of 'these resolutions, vres, cesserird
laud had shown none of the qualifications lle .. sin
success in a great war, except valour. Nothing VI cow
s to our mercantile marine, by whose aid We bad
veyed iOO,OOO men, English and French, W the -f
00
Nothing was said as to our landing there-little of
victories. Nothing as to the application of the:Awl,.
telegraph, or the construction of the railway, to d coil*
Aboie all, nothing was said as to the improve vot
dition of our army at the present time. 14°vr'notioc•
would be the effect on Russia and on Europe, 01 el
l" sole'
that , r
ing to all the world such a state of things so thesetoreoake
tions represented ? Would Russia be more readl bto oc-
peace ? Or, if she offered terms of peace, would ntitb,re'
ceptance of them be liable to misconstruction? "_ „osite
spect to the policy to be pursued the noble earls Ire-001
did not agree-especially as to Germany. The 11° 13alti°'
(Ellenborough) was „in favour of operations in the.
_A 01$
in Bessarabia, and in Georgia. He had already strb7ooo-
- of this nature, proposed and sunnortedbovetli!
servative members of their lordships' house, ,voul 00009,
worst effect in Germany ; and, to judge from the sage
with which speeches delivered in the English 1:: r fooe
weretranslated by Russian agents in Germany, waturlonis
able to their views, he thouht be might 01°1"; a otil"'
effect would be produced. (Hear.) But there we, 000,1'
more serious consideration-what effect would iles' there
lutions have upon France ? He did not -wish t0.,1,10.h.
was a numerous peace party in France, the ran.g. 'ore of
had been swelled by the greater part of those wh.cl •;self s°
posed to the present Government. Peace was le
~,10 iviv?;
great a blessing, and war was so detestable, that "'lt tile!
nt 1 tvie
cates of peace had always a powerful argn6l3o3, par.,o3
favour. But the prin.;ipal argument used bY or, 01,
wFieasnecnedatthprreeeseFntrewn-ach4,o2`
e`
nWfeorareeveerybarked in e thong;
we have not the same interest in .- MO
Bagili+shhollatTo.
gt.libio
England has." That argument was Oct/01110s el,
to him. There was no doubt that Austria ,ogise. ;
interested in the question than either France or " 00d av;
but that France, with her continental positi°L'Ored, 11a
stake in the Mediterranean, was not deep e°i-,1,0 esr1„1101-
could not understand. In his opon the no; a
Jo 4.
of
from time to time uttered very great fallacies 0 ortoce_.4
tier', not the least of which was the vast lnit,P 00h11;;;
this war in an Indian point of view. But tlt ill °P.-se
(Ellenborough) gave France another argutee-,0 ca10:40.
upon their 'lordships' house-an asseinblege;thesed,„
grave, so free from popular influence---t° PiSea- rlden 01
lutions. Well might they say, as the nohxe ~ (jeOloiii
" These co-belligerents of ours are absolut;4 0010000
every qualification but one that can make t the Ptak
war." The noble earl should remember that :tree tl„.0 I
undertaking great secrecy and ci,nfideace,werwe, iJibe
and it might very naturally be asked 131 I i unstioes
go on in close alliance with a countrY %glide 'two °SIP
as water, changes its administration everY__,bt to or
months?" He thought that consideration ouceij iuoledon
with their lordships, even if there wer,e, in.;114.0v r. (got
tainty about the resolutions than be coin° 'lir the Pre cos'
hear.) But there was historical I:decedent fir teem'
motion. In one year after the bsttle of 11cui' poi I,:ePiori
duct of the war was severely c tnia,saed V riljerions 030
and country, but that did not prevent the
_.so°t toreocioe'
of Ramillies. Their lordships woud' uty °f Iligt°'!'
arraigningafter
the conduct of the Puke,,, t he ,il nit,
and speeches were made predicting IP.eosoblr 00001
army would be driven out of the ,l' trio resulttiliceof 1,111.
months; but that did not stay the illuegie , yro' ;
rese undertaking
career of victory. (Hear.) in the t°, that etrAji/
descentssleuidb
landingu taint dwaiisnonk
theot a
it
cao
nor
i, r
or mu
enuacd_hi er r:cfvorphyse toatfi j i i:ro tciei
ti}::,
from the hardships and
wmi No
1 ,00,10 cii,froi
(Hear.)waisngen i
oHu
sel.y beggedcon trityheediPrrtilovoar:dbisilia:iPgis
-great successes were -still in t°,"„o to "eO,--bether,;,
standing anything that might he -0 consider esolutiei.
Ato these r t jeer,
so . fair, or just, or patriotic, to agre- 0 but Ile bOOOO
°trailer tb,ehuhrotrofi;
vote ,otioual
lee
ously contrived to promote any(' bene6t °r a pIY 103
The Earl of DERBY-My lords, I ,111,„ :ele eeriln4g too
this° with what has just fallen fro "" ,io,t fise2lll
with the disappointment he has experienee-b cotlr.Pe`;
speech of my noble friend (the Earl of 01e11-:tlirspel,"
" gradiloquent speech," as the noble 3lini'teri;ice epee b°l
it, but which I call the able and stategnall .t 0 0111P.,,i0,1,
my noble friend-so entirely at variance ill tiedooirwell
and tendency from that which be had fon3;,Y , ~Il°
and against which he had prepared his reply'
li'too,,il,
aware that, if not by the noble lcrd, at lenilated t,
110136e'
act with him, it has been industriously cirerasbips vin '
town and through the members of your I°, tatlueVor el;
that it was the intention of my noble friene„ of ° oss'
vidious and unseemly attack upon the congas 100 S fogipt,
lant troops, as also upon the conduct of the fils 004/
officers-who command them. I knovi of °Prilifellt,
been made to private friends-appeals to tr;iiips'ilo „of
professional feelings of members of your 1° de oll.Lb illir)
not to sanction by your assent an a made f wonieli
manders of our forces here and at taesee,,, :10, as
soil'
might have the effect of weakening their lie°, io the Al 01,
doing great injustice to men actively engaged /010140?
of their country. Ido not know but dot these
opeollorpoli
have had their effect ; for in the course of
word,°l or f 4
noble friend there has not been a single ~ °be
t Jae° Al I,l'
sion, or gesture, which by the greates „,.„10,- 4 o°,,e
feeling could be distorted into an attack.
made- by t.picl, .li,
with regret the sneering imputation ), ia %%el 1,.0
lord the Minister for War (Lord his
.„ 1,1010( fs.,
hittnne ..,g co,
congratulated my, noble friend on his - feeliP lot° 0
views, and adapted his resolutions to the ,,,tit
sfmcos,
a oft" Ile
country. Now, I say, the noble lord hao 11 Os pi meow
to throw out that' insinuation, because the_oido I°„;01 „is
altogether disprove the statement of the °osier,' .), fa
once, but over and over again in last !. 0, DioP;roo3'.'d
question of this war was under consideratl°osoo ojoiri,
friend entreated and implored of You t° to tb° 13°00
0 tbei ,;i0
criticism on the conduct of the war, e.ll rgiag ilife'tbi
which the officers of the army were isur'bi Of 000
so that they should not be embarrassfeso 00'001010
attacks emanating from that house. -1 ,00000, of nifed
first, there hasground for theseoltiooo oleo, 0.0
have been thrown out as to the iete,,,tions,ttliel,6o'
friend. (Hear, hear.) But these
the PP grouoiti
have been objected to because for the
„P" occre_oolll,f et'
"truisms." These resolutions assert taferfect veror oicr,
tion with which we have regarded the Plot l° col4ii
of counsel between her Al:ijestv Ana soden, as vo of
French." I believe, my lords, that is ee will ittio,,s,dif,:oo
every member of your lordships' boos resolit,o4.ll,o°
ally as my noble friend whom oved the lot s' jefoo°,o
do not mincide with the) oble earl whpuoitoon6„,sed
lordships (Earl Granville that the -?‘ .iocerejoreellesl?,
of this house, and its assent of the
_isliog bet 0,011040 v;
it reels at the good understanding e%ov thece es,iog ld.
and England-I repeat Ido not 0;10 yrootorio,,,glo9oo
don of gratification will be regarcle.e_i oder 001,V1 ;01
cant. When I speak of the cortll7/vance i00,,i 001.1 e: 10
-exists between the Governmentef °both a,1,1130 it l:fort'ilit`i
as also between the commanders,Lt 1 belicifis'stit!",o cj
omit the opportunity of saying tr.; of the 0 pol 001" OS,
tics to a noble lord, the conmaant.le. tea 9i?r, 0 bilitle
say that nothing can have
tinderscontriblloodq:oifsilitoooftiO
the maintenance of that good _,,aiabl..cte3 je, 10 l'''
counsel and harmony than the 1,1'..0 000c10K0ii o,
kindness of manner with which helell, ov't:o go'oc fotoool,l
.I..itii3ts:vi‘delis °,1e.,1 If
AS t 0,,,
his intercourse with all parties.au
this because it has been said
made by my noble friend on the .c°i boge; so liai In' 0
If there had been such an intentio,
...,,,,seli., 00 ;',"O of.
I would be the last man to lend Tii Ifit; Preiwooll vt,l11;
hardly remind your lordshins t inastrl°oo lloal °le(
mendation on the death of the
.., the°_oool,o te.,,,,,
lington, that her Majesty calleaacTo t:0,1 000 r(iiiiro
site (Lord Hardinge) to succee.
army. The high estimation whica
_000:0,_ reco
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b-I'l also PO,l ivt 00014 !Jo
capacity of the noble lord now?
_fa ~,,, tuo to ~,ti Pepin
war (Lord Raglan) likewise incin"o well „to 000 04
to the control of the Ordnance, iet. atale,;;;firef oafiiiisv,
signal merits by recoramendil ovviekiiialt '-tbieg, leipe
a seat in this august assernblag ;,ioo, I l'.;0 039,1, el.loy
these noble frierds to high P°"l.ld Pi° ' "ti°111111"
would be the last man that wou .tionfbia,io ott 3,i,
would stultify my ow ecoraei% our affovoesdillit.vl;,,
the resolutions go on tot' exle"ef',_, 00e'00 pis 7000
many deeds of valour by wheirc,h_pta jo
~ fie 000 A/
have illustrated their lorotehwa"
r in Will„°o'cl ill‘riolOf etas](
enter into the policy oft h war ", the. , 01; js„ e ,
as this is not the fitting epE..dea us bJossioAtiltoo9
will have an opportunity all°' , of '3ll,olol'v P,f,te
1 Gre9/ tbut i i ta bi 'ollail
noble lord opposite (Ear ard to au' ire 001 0-1
and determination with reg.._ 1,000, _ t,o
fe
be much disappointed if tr_i% h„a
oriaosi, 00,10,,,
Commons also-where the issue ote2o W0r,,,0r, Vii,loo';
hon. gentleman-will notyes".Yod to t? ibis
00g1t, olio 00f
prove to foreign countries
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