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petitioner st.sted, that hi one week lie Mil received 23
one pound notes, all of which turned out to be forgeries,
but which could nut be discovered to he such except by
hank inspectors. The nun. 111(111)er held the motes in his
baud, and presented them for the inspection of the house.
The petitioner stated, that trout a return laid before the
house, it appeared, that in Slti there were 11.0 persons
convicted of lot genies; while in Ib2 0 there were 27.,, twat
of Ilion only connected will, the forging, the rest were tot
titles ing. The petitioner played that the Bank might be
called on to pay all such forgeries, or to be compelled to

issue cash.
Mr. G. BENN Err cottirmed these sentiments.
Mr. UMW EN asked whether there was any prospect
of any 111411 coning from the forgery prevention commis-
sionet 8 ?
Sir W. CONGREVE replied, that after making the
last report, the colnritissiancrA consigned the execution of
the plait to the Bank, bit anxious as the Batik were to
meet the difficulty, they were unwilling to try any expe-
riment till there should be a fair chance of sionetliiiig
efficient Lang stiggestet. lie had turned no ordinary
attention to this sobjece—he was persuaded that a paper
currency might be produced that would be more difficult
of imitation than WAS tile sreseiit coin of the realm.
I,Ie.BARING lamemed that the house had not appointed
a conniiittee on the stibyeet, instead ut having the co 11111 l is-
slim, which had contimed for upwards of two years
without accomolishing soy thing. After promising, month
after mouth, some edit:semis scheme, the col 1111 l issioners
had now consigned all their schelllCH IO the Bank. lie also
' adverted to the frequency with which the new silver
coinage was vow ctiontert.eited.
Petition read. It was from Mr. Gibson, of the Strand,
grocer itlld tea dealer.
Mr. IvEsTERN brought in the bills to repeal the new
Eng!isli and Irish malt diiii..s.—Read a first time, and or-
dered to be read a. second time on Tuesday, April 3.
Lord nituoN gave notice, that out 'Tuesday, April
10, lie bilUlliti move ter the repeal of the ditty on toreigu
wool.
ROMAN CATIICLIC CL A IMS.—Sir J. NEWPORT
moved, that the haute go into a coin nittee on the Roman
Catholic disability removal bills. lie gave notice that in
the event of the till proceeding, he 811(11111d hucatter move
for their consoliAation. It was the intention of his right
hon. friend (Ms Plunkett) to consolidate the two Inca-
sus es, hi case they proceeded to a certain stage.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that for such consolidation there must be au instritetion to
the committee.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON still hoped that the bill might
be s.i allttOrtell as to meet the w fishes of the Roman Catholics,
while it contributed to the Protestants' security.
The question was then put, and the house resolved into a
COMMillee On the first bill.
The committee then proceeded to consider the second
clause of the hiil —proposing the repeal ut the declaration
and the oath regarding transubstantiation, the worship of the
saints, and the sacrifice of the mass.
After some conversation between Mr. Peel and Sir J.
Newport, as to the meaning of some particular expression in
the clause,
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said, lie must oppose this clause
altogether.
Mr. R. MARTIN said, that the Roman Catholics did not
believe in the divinity of the Virgin Mary, Or Of any of the
Saints; and that the Roman Catholics were not intolerant,
as lie was in the habit ut seeing Protestants intermarrying
with Catholics, and living in coucurd. As far as intolerance
was concerned, that religion aas not what it had been.
After some explanation between the Chancellor of the
Exchequer and Su James Mackintosh, as to the construction
of the clause,
Mr. BAN KES strongly opposed it, and moved au ainend-
mem, tho, should it be adviseable to pass the bills, the
Boman Catholics entering either Douse of Parliament should
be compelled to take the oaths to which other members
were subjecie6.
Mr. CANN LNG strongly snpported the clause, contending
that the amended forms gave that security w hich, in his
estimation, would satisfy the most scrupulous Ps otestants.—
The rigar lion. gentleman contended that no oauger was to
be apprehended from allowing Catholics to sit in Parlia-
, meld. The right hon. geld. also argued that the oaths now
proposed were sufficient to give security to the Protestant
establishment. Ile contended also that the arguments and
declarationi of Doctors Milner and Hayes, that this measure
was nut acceptable to the Catholics, was bOiiirienliy an-
swered by the declaration of the four peers, whose petition
was presented a few nights ago. With respect to the pre-
sent amendment the hon. member who moved it, and the
right lion. gent. vshosupported it, perhaps recollected, that
a former bill lead been thrown out upon this clause.—!le
trusted that would not be the case, whatever might be the
fate of the amendment; he hoped the Bill would be pro.
ceeded
Mr. BRIGIIT was decidedly against the bill; if these
concessions %ere to be granted to the Catholics, be saw
nothing to present the King ou the throne from becoming a
Catholic.
Sir Thunua Ackland and Sir F. Blake, were in favour of
the bill.
Mr. GItATTAN, in a maiden speech supported the claims
of the Catholics.
Mr. T. W ILSON supported the amendment.
The gallery was then cleated for a division. For the
amendment 211—For the clause t23.—Majority 12.
Mr, PEEL then stated his intention to propose that
Catholics should be excluded from the privy council, and
(ruin the bereft in Ireland.
Mr. GOLBOURN said lie should propose to extend the
exclusions to governors of colooks.
The house then resumed, and the committee was ordered
to sit again the nest day.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned.

TUESI)tY, MAR.;II 27.
The report of the :Alec* cinnamic.: 1111 the Newington
Select I'cory Bill 'Aided that the st•didaig order. had been
complied with. Rill urdeted to he cuduullled.
Nlc. HI \G p.e.eated a 11141111111 1.1.11111 >lr.
ugaiiist the 11i:beide !toad MIL
A petition Ha, pi,chted from Nlanehoter against the
Catholic Bill.
Mr. RIC %ROO prea-oted a petition from persona engaged
in the ;Niarwdy trade, mid Mr. p, Grant one Irian the pro-
prietor of saw twills re.sitent at Leith, !Haynie, for an alter-
uti tttt tu the timber duties. Read and minded to he ust the
table.
Sir I. COFFIN okerved, where the t amplailiti of the
hi- Alio 1/f1 1111-- bilbject wet., coinidetcly deluare.—
It would have lieu better had the :lop. been bout ivacad

of being engaged in this trade. Canada was profitless to us
It would have been prolikliss to us. It a uuld he to the
interest of ih6 (ammo, as far as profit was concerned, if
Canada were bunk at the butt ttttt of lltt• sea.
lalsu NIAVIVRI LUSIIINGTON
moved for leave to tiring in a bill to disqualify the laird
Chancellor, Master of the Rolls, the twelve judges, and four
masters 111 chancery, Llelaud. lYhrn the recent 1110 i ttttt
(respecting Mr. Ellis) wits before the house, it scented to be
the general Opinion, that there should be mate prospective
measure—and he therefore made the present motion.—
.Nlotton agreed
D. LUSOINGTON then moved for leave to bring in a
bill to facilitate the examination of witnesses in foreign
parts.—Acreed to.
CORRUPT lioaouaus.—LOrd J. RUSSELL Said, lie
thought he should nut be able 10 bring, forward hif bill. to
disfranchise certain corrupt buriniAlis till alter Easter.
Mr. C. GRAN 1' presented a petition (ruin Inverness
against the new malt duties.
CATZOLIC NEW PORT moved the order
of the day for going into a committee on the Roman Catholic
Disabildies Removal Bill he read.

Sir J. N L W PORT then moved, that it be an instruction
to the committee to take into consideration the adoption of
means to regulate the Midcourse of persons in holy orders
with the See of Rome.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON expressed his disapprobation
of the second bill. The Inure he considered the inter-
course bill, the more lie was dissatisfied with it; for be
was persuaded that the prelacy of the Roman Catholic
chords would not agree to such a measure. They disap-
proved of the mode of regulating the intercourse which.
had been suggested. lie believed that the Catholic clergy
of England were also against suet' second bill. When
the bill came under the more immediate consideration of
the house, lie should then go into more minute details.
Sir G. HILL was sorry Mat the intelligence now given
especting the Catholic clergy's hostility to the second
hill had nut licen given to the house ten days ago, for the►
the house might have been saved much trouble. The
lionse hail ilow agreed to the most important parts of the
bills. He felt that it would not legislate with effect ex-
cept they could Cal ry along with them the Catholic ap-
probation. That alone presented any chance of coati-
' liation.
Sir J. NEWPORT confirmed the accuracy of Mr.
Hittchiusou's statement.
The house then went into a committee on the bill.
The Chairman read clause 7, which exempted the Lord
Chancellor, &e.
Mr. PEEL, pursuant to notice, rose to propose his
amendment to extend the exemption to Privy Councillors
and judicial offices. He admitted that the success of last
night was most important; and that without it the mea-
sure, if cal rieil at ail, would not be satisfactory to the
Catholics. Two branches of the legislature—the lords
and commons were now open to the Catholics; the pro-
testantism of the third was retained inviolate. Then the
consideration of the proposition which he had now to
submit, fairly came before the committee. The third
branch being thus exempted, he was to consider what
was meant by the law, which so carefully guarded against
a popish king and a government. It also said, that the
king should not have popish advisers. and should forfeit
his throne if he married a popish Catholic wife. The
advisers of the sovereign were responsible for the advice
they gave, and how then could lie put airy other meaning
on what was meant where arrangements were made by
the bill of I ights to secure the protestanism of the go-
vernment of the country ? In his opinion there would
be less danger from a popish king with Protestant ad-
visers, than from a Protestant king with popish advisers.
(Cheers.) The right bun, gent. concluded with proposing
on amendment to the effect that the office of Privy Comm.
enter or Judge should not be open to the Roman Catholics.
Sir J. NEWPORT strongly supported the original
clause, contendiug that no danger, no confusion was to be
apprehended from removing the disqualiticatious for such
offices, and inquiring what calamity resulted from there
being in this country a Catholic ambassador from Pro-
testant Denmark, or a Protestant ambassador front Ca-
tholic Bavaria. . .

Sir J. NICHOLL snpported the amendment.
Lord CASTLEREAGH was for allowing the largest
itubilgencies to the Roman Catholics it' any disqualifica-
tions were to be tetuoved ; but he at the same lime hoped
that the Catholics would gratefully receive whatever de-
cisions the parliament might come to.

After some explanations,
Mr. WLFIIERELL expressed himself favourable to
the arguments and propositions of Mr. Peel.
Sir J. MACINTOSH strongly opposed the proposed
restriction. With respect to privy councillors, lie coo-
tended that the power of the I►ing to restrain and coutroul
them would prevent all danger. As to the judges, lie
observed, there had been rigid diueuting judges, and
great evils would arise from closing the road to prefer-
ment against the members of respectable Irish families who
were educated to the bar. So also with regard to the
governors of colonies. It should be recollected that the
house had already opened the highest posts in the at my
and navy to the Catholics, who were therefore liable to be
placed in that saltation on various occasions.
The gallery was then cleared for a division.—. For ea-
clasiou, 169--Against it, 166—Majority agaiust reefs
proposition, 19.
(In our re-admission we found Mr. Goulburn urging
his clause for the exclusiou of Catholics trout the office of
governors of colonies, on the ground ut the uncontrouled
power possessed by those officers, not only in ciuil, but in
'ecclesiastical matters. the hon. member concluded by
moving an amendment, excluding Catholies true the situ-
ation of governors of colonies. Upon this proposition tile
committee divided—Fur the amendment, I2o—Against it,
16.i—Majority against exclusion, -13.
Au aineitilme:it excludiug Catholics from holding the
office of lord higii chancellor of Ireland was agreed to
without a division.
Sonic cuiivei sation took place between Mr. Hutchinson,
Sir J. Newport, Lord C.antlereagh, and others, as to an
adjournment, when it was agreed that the chairman 3110111 d
repel I WOO Os, ilea ask leave to sit again to-unotro.v,takto
the report on the following day, and the third reading on
Monday.
Adjourned at a quarter before one.
w tArNEsIIAY, MAItCI! 28.
Mr. S. woitiLLy moved for a select committee to
inquire 11110 the state of the laws, regarding the stamping
nt woollen eloilis.—Agreed to, and co iiiiii lute named.
Mr. L. IS.ECK brought iii a bill to give effect to inden-
t lures of apprenticeship, signed by churchwardens, O:c.—
head a that time.

The Spoiled Stamps bill was re-committed.
The loukrep.•rs• Allowance bill went through a com-
mittee. Repoli tomori ow.
Mr. LUSHINGTON moved the commitment of the
bill—and Mr. Brogden, the chairman of the committee.,
not being present, Mr. Lusliiiigion took the chair, and
read his own motion frr the consideration of the bill ill
committee.
The Ale and Beer Duties bill was read a third time and
passed.
Mr. P. GRENFELL made his promised motion respect-
ing the purchase of silver by the Mint—particularly as far
as regarded the purchase of silver by the Mint from the
Bank at a prier beyond the market value. Ile paid some
compliments to the way in which the silver coinages were
conducted by the Mint, and concluded with musing tor
accounts at purchases of silver, the parties, &c.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the house resolve into a committee ua the Bank Cash
Payments bill.
Mr. P. GRENFELL had nn objection to the motion,
but he was anxious to do justice to the directors of the
Bauk of Ireland. It had been stated, that they were in-
terested in preventing the resumption of easit payments,
and that they would.not discount for those wilt) were eu-
gaged in importing gold ; but lie was happy to state, that
there was nut the least foundation for these statements.
They continued their discounts—Nuttier, they increased
their paper notes to meet the difficulties resuldiug from
the failure of some country banks.
Mr. PEEL said, he was happy to hear what had fallen
flout the hon. member (Mr. G.) knowing what importance
was attached to the lion. member's opinion. From his
official knowledge, lie knew that the Irish Batik had acted
most liberally; and let it he remembered, that such com-
pany lied the whole mauagement of the Irish debt, for
which no chat ge whatever was made to the public.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD observed, that the greatest
praise was due to the general conduct of the Irish Bank ;
but for the liberality of that company, the greatest
dis-
must have resulted from the failure of certain banks.
Mr. RICARDO observed, that the Irish Bank hail been
peculiarly circumstanced : and in the moment of distress,
they behaved with great energy—with inure energy, he
believed, than would have characterized the Bauk of
England ender similar ciictimstances. They had increased
their circulation upwards of Su per cent. and would have
increased their issues still more could they have found
security. As to the management of the debt of Ireland
by the bank of that country, it was complimentary to the
bank that it was done on such terms, especially when they
remembered what the Bank of England received for the
management of the debt.
Sir J. NEW pout suggested whether it would not be
adviscable to adjonin this debate, to make way for that
business which had been adjoin lied last night, ou the
understanding that it should come on early to-night. lie
therefore moved that the debate be adjourned till to-
morrow. Agreed to.
Several other orders were then postponed.
Cs:moray But.s.—Sir J. NEW PORT then moved that
the house resolve into a committee on the Catholic Dis
abilities Removal bill. .

Mr. C. HUTCHINSON rose, pursuant to his promise,
to call the attetition of the honse to the proposed second
bill. lie did not want to alter the temper in which these
debates had been conducted, though he had been assured
by anonymous and other correspondents, that by the
course whirl' lie was about to pursue, he should very ma-
terially injure the great cause of the Roman Catholics.
He had no inch wish; his Catholic count! ymen must
know, that in promoting the interests of the empire, lie
bad neser neglected their cause. He denied that securi-
ties were requisite; they would not be productive of ad-
vantage, or promote concord. He then proceeded to
argue against the clauses to regulate the intercourse of
persons in holy orders with the see of Rome. The nature
of the interests of the English and theJaish Catholics were
not exactly the seine. He declared that the Irish Catholic
clergymen were a most useful and respectable body—it
was most injudicious to pass such restraining clauses
regarding them. It was degrading them in the eyes of
their own flocks. Was that judicious? He knew not
how such clauses could get into this bid. 'file clergy of
the Catholics were a must important body ; besides the
numerous pi jests, there were four al clibishops, and gii
bishops, What hope of a happy result could be antici-
pated from degrading such a body in the eyes of their
flocks!' and that, he maintained, was the etTect of the
clauses He denied that the Jesuits were established in
England or Ireland; they were merely permitted for the
instruction of youth.
The above observations created considerable conversa-
tion, in which Lord CaYlleleitgli, Dr. Pitillimure, Mr. M.
htsgerald, Mr. Canning, Sir Crew ge Hill, Mr. It. Martin,
pt c. took part; but no plopusition was submitted by way
of alnaltdinellt. 'lite house therefore eventually went ludo
the committee, to consider the remaining clauses of the
consolidated bill. .

several of the clauses of the bill were agreed to with
out ameuutnerkt, auJ °thee* butmtatitially adupled, uttl,
some verbal all eratjuns.

In the clause requiring a previous residence of one year
In Ireland, to qualify a priest to take on himself the ei•ete
rittictimis, an umetnimeut Was moved to snake it
three yvaiS, Which was adopted.
On the chaiLt relative to the nomination of bishops,
Lord CASTLERILAGH proposed, that a notice of one
mouth should be given to the Seets tary of State, by the
perdu intended to he noti.inat ed, of his intended nosnina-
tion, and that he should not ears vise his tunCliOni till
month attis his 110111111:16011.

This antendun.ut, alai some desultory convormstioll,
was adopted.
'the oilier clauses were agreed to; and
Mr. FLLIS, declaring he cousidered this bill, as far as
It was consideivil as a piotection to the established reli-
gion, as a voienin hunitiug, proposed, as an amendment, an
additional clause, excluding Catholic priests limn seats in
Atter some cocversation tbe clause was adopted.
'the lomat] ressuned, and the report was wilt led to be
received 10-I$lll,llOW. _ _ .

Ihe other orders wile dlvposed of, soil too home
Adjuurowl ot twelve o'clo k.

Toy asnAT,
t retuioni rem ChbilctS in 3lnitlliex aril Norfolk, ptavin
fin the iitiptNiioo of a -mall duty on the inipiatiltion ti flour,
wore prevested.
Mr. CU KW EN postponed ht motion re.pectlog thy Agri.
cultural Horse Tis till.Apeil 1; •
Mr. nu:m.l4W s petition from 2790 lA*
neoplaining ut the injurg tiny ewt at..d by th snit odtk:tion ut