The National Register.
London, England, 1816-04-01 00:00:00

root t aeiptire a habit of partiautcutary expite•sitio, but
he declared to God he had never been .able to do so yet.
The fact was, this °thee was necessary to prevent the public
front being diatiled out of their money.—(Near, hers}
41r. CitiiKEß hoped the !louse %soma allow them to go into
the Committee on tin. Esnm•Oci, in order that the details of
them leit.tht be esplaitied. He contended, that the .melinary
estimate- always tell in time of war ; because, by fending our
Ari is over tie tare of the ea -111,11,7,1;h), the ordinary expellee
of keeping the ships at home, of course. was diminished. he
ordinal y estimates in this year were less than those of any for-
mer period of !Ware (at least during the first year of it) that
could hr mentioned.
Mr. W. WYNNE would propose either that smaller auras
should he voted, or that the present estimatts should be voted
Only up to
Mr. TIERNEY was explaining, when there arose a cry of
Spoke! spoke! from the .Ministerial benches.
Mr. Fa t.smaxll.s.: then moved that the House should adjourn.
Mr. Ti run KY supported that motion. and contended, that
gi:my redactions might he made ill the Navy.
The question fur adipoirtiment was then negati%ed svithout a
9ivisiou.—AdJuutncd at One o'Clock.
TUERDAY, MARCII 26.

Mr. A hererombv presented a petition from certain trades-
men confined for debt in the county goal of York, stating, that
they had met with unavoidable inkfortimes in trade ; that they
w ere ready to make over their effects for the benefit of Omit-
-creditors ; and that they Mid heard. with great concern, that
the repeal of the. Insolvent Act was in contemplation ; and
praying time House to take into consideration their case.—The
petition was laid out the table.
The Report fifth! Cumeni tt •e of Ways and Means Ira. brought
up, the Resoliitious read and agreed to, and Bills ordered &Ac-
cordingly.
Mr. Brougham moved for an account of the number of Clerks
and their &SW ICS um the Navy Otlice, from 17a4 to 131O.—Or-
des ed.
The Crown Lands Bill was read a third time and passed.
THE TRANSPORT BOARD.

CROKER rnse to move for leave to bring in a Bill to
transfer the Transport Board Duties to the bavy and Victual-
ling Board. The Don. tient. said, it was originally intended
to put down the Board altogether, but as the Board had a va-
riety of securities which they sere entitle d to hold ami to sue
for, it was, the refore, he moved fur a Bill, wills a skw merely
to enable the Navy and Victualling departments to exercise
those duties, in a legal point of view.
Mr. NI est ERN asked, whether the medical department was
to be dispensed with.
Mr. Cnitavit observed, that it was with a view of economy
dist thi• transfer was made; but there was no idea of dispen-
sing win' the Mediral Board. Leave was then given.
l'K ANSPORTA 110 N OF FELONS.

Mr. H. Anins4nToN moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the .Ict telatiu4 to the Transportation of Felons. The
priocipal object of his present Bill nits to supply the defects of
an Act which passed 14.4 :session, and to correct the deficien-
eii s in some clauses of two other Acts, in respect to the ap-
pointment of superintending Officers over the felons confined
in prisun-ships. Leave given to bring in a Bill.
CIVIL LIST.
Lord CssrLaitesc.ti stated, that it was intended after the
holida)s to bring in a 11111 to regulate the disbursements of the
Civil List.
siAvE TRADE.

Mr. Wirto:RFOßer adverted to the rosolntinn, in concert
w..th the al:ied 1.0w..r5, in respect to the Slave Trnde. and
wished 10 know what steps had hven taken to carry into effect
the resolution so alluded to.
Lord CAsTLEItEAGtt replied, that he had tvidresred a letter
to the Ministers of Cie four allied Powers on the subject; and
no time mould he loci in carrying the conferences, which were
in embryo into cif( et.
0.1 the luot;on of Mr. V INSITTART, the House resolvod it-
self into a Coiniiiittee on the Loan %et. The Right Hon. Gent.
then moved a resolution, that the several Acts respectine Loans
should he repeuled. —The Resolution was agreed top and the
Vepurt brought up.
V ECTIT DEPAR'fAIENT.

Mt. RARING üb•erved, that 31inisters Overlooked generally
the principal points of the expenditure of the country, innd
thought they satisfied the people that in taking off some part of
the sillidry of the poor tit•cretary, they had done their duty, lie
had to state u most grievous charge against them in the IS:AVM
Estimates, of e cress in a sum of 132,nti01. for victualling 4570
Mfli, at the rate of Is. lA. per Iliad. In order to clueidate this
paint, he xhould move fin• the necessary I,tirrs, convinced,
from the information he had received that they might he vie-

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waited at Is. per head, in the harbour of Milfuell, which would
make a dittereitee of 44,9301. Tae Hon. Gentleman then
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moved for a statement of the nom her i.f men victualled, other-
wise than by the competition of public tender.
Mr. Cuoxl.:11 denied that the men conlil he victualled in the
barboors of Porismonth, I'i mouth, Chatham, Sheerness, A-.
at us cheap a rale at in Wales. lie had, however, uo objec•
thin to grant the papers moved for.
Mr. It %RNA)! stated, that he had lately come from Milford
Haven :for the last three or four mini hs the price of bread was
Sd. pier room', butter ml, and pork 21s. per cwt.
Admiral NI am XIIANI, Mr. Curia :;i4, and Mr. Ituovottats, en-
tered into some csplonati nn in respect to the contract at Milford
a, Haven.
l•it .o latter lion. Gentleman disclaimed the knowledge
Many
I c ^t.—The motion was then agreed to.
The al: Gentleman then moved for the i-spence of titling
for stii the I, tontcb C dims and Euro to-, wilich Were bliiir in
ISI3, and wet e now breaking up for lire-wood. He wished to
know why the country was to he put to the very great espeniee
•f building ships not tit for service more than two or three
rail.
Sir I:. W via I.NriEW had no objection to the motion,
After A ,tlOll conversation between 511.. Brougham, Ur. Cro-
ter, Mr. Forties. Admiral 7.tarkham, and Mr. Baring, the mo-
iioll was a4reed to. Adjourned.

WYDNVIDAV, bf.%Ren 29.

A rtition aas nrolesitml front It'orec,ter, per.;n7, retrench
bent in the expeNd;!iire, and teductiun of the y

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Mr. I.OOKHART gave notice that he ahoulil move for a return
of an the g,,,1t1aha:..1 gatolN acized within the lott siN 1140.06,
together the name* of the persoLb to whoa the goofs
were eotosipartl.
Tins Aim riege Trade Hill was read a third tittle, and palmed.
A ine‘ot:e *Ulf the Lord,, brou.rht op a ti.ll o Welk lu•st
pasted diet, 1.004.hi1.5• Home, fur uattpaiaiug Leval Prinet•
~f Cob9t,fr; %Osiclo ch,ire4l the roneos ut• ul
the CA Pt ut iLumetirata I) thr,,llgh all i1..51.;:v1, and
}read.

THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

TR EASU HEIL OF Glt FEN W ICH HOSPITAL.

Mr. NNE Said, the motion he was about to submit to the
House relative to the appointnient of Sir T. Thompson to the
office of Treason cr of Greenwich Hospital would not, he coil-
(Tired, occupy ntueli tulle..ince it Wei rooter' a question on
the construction of an Act of Parliament. By the Art of the
nth Of (Morn Anne, it was provided that any person hying
:timber of the House, and accepting a place of profit under
the clown should, in consequence thereof, vacate his seat.
'There could be no enquiry chillier it was desirable that the
person accepting office should vacate his seat; the only course
which the House had to pursue, was that pointed not by the
Act, a Minot at all turning aside, either to the right or left.
The Hon. Member concluded by moving, that the Speaker
should issue his warrant to the (leek of the Cuown, orderina
him to issue a new writ for the election of a Member to serve
in Parliament for Are city of Rochester, in the room of Sir T.
K. Thompson, who since his election, bad vacated his seat by
accepting the ottice of Treasurer of Greenwich Hospital.
Mr. RANK VA differed from the Hon. Member, Oomph he con-
sidered the motion OS a vt ry proper one • but lie was of opinion
that the course which had repo ptivoled in the ease of Mem-
bers of the House accepting the office of Master of Green-
wich Hospital, was decisive this question.
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Mr. BATHURST riffift•Mit•ti, HMI the office of Treasurer of
the Hospital must be ronsidert 41 W. au e*teeption from the ope-
ration of the Aet, on the 9111111 P grounds that the uthee of Master
%as. If the 'lowa- shoal.] deride that the Treasure r might to
vacate bis seat, so might the Ma+ter of Greenwich and Chelsea
Hospitals id:AO; 1411.1 i to formerly deriding to the contrary, the
House had come to au erroneous derision.

After seine eitscrsationa tram Sir J. Newport, and Mr.
Bathurst, ,Mr. l'eo:onby inoNeti, that It Cottonittee Oloo;t1 be
apiminted to search fur precedents, unit to report to the tioit.e
thereon.

Mr. Wymve would not object to this coarse, he wished to
have this question derided; and, therefore, etth the leave of
he House, %unlit withdraw Ili% present motion, IWri 1111)Ve for
Committee as suggested. Was accordingly dune, and the
lion. Member'', new nuition was sttrt.eil to.

'lite /louse then weld into a Committee of Supply.
Sir 6rEORGE W ARM F!%111,11 line rn'e to eabmitto the
considera • of the Committee the Neel Estimates. In
respect to half-pay, 0 charge would he incurred of 56,0a01. in
addition to the t:mid for piovidinx li.r that ltrunelt of the ex-
penditure. lie then ono% cif Ills first Rcsultition for grunting a
sum of 1,511,0 buts tOs. Pd. fur repairs, &c. and service of the
civil department of the wiry.
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Mr. iiARINu, objected to tilos mode of putting the Roo!salon,
Is it coutained 1$ different brads. He eu;;g;e•sted the pru-
prietY• titvoling the heads, ;And first voting the cil,thnil. fur
the service ni. the Admiralty.

Captain Po.i.kw noticed the expellee of paying the %%blows'
pensious, and suggested certain retrenchments its the member
of officers in the different departments.
Mr. PONS() RY was au loos that the course pursued in re-
spect to the Army F.stimates should be adopted on the present
orrawion, and that the Estimates should he separately voted,
and not in the sweeping way proposed by the lion. Baronet.
Mr. TIERNEY CI referring to the clerks of the Admiralty
and Navy office, wisiied to know why it was necessary to in.
crease their salaries by an Order in admitting they
were a meritorious set of men, it was, there hire, with pain he
alluded to them at all ou the subject of remuneration. If they
had been let Moue, all the im•llleS4 of the peace would have
been done as well. The total redaction of clerks was
24. In ISI4 the salaries were NM and in 15151 the salaries
were 101,0001. So that ali the public got by the reduction of
clerks was an additional burthen of 30.0001.—(Iorr, hretr..o-
- it was not only necessary to get rid of some of these clerks;
they must also be superannuated at an e‘penee of 5000 I„ ; thus
saddling the people with 13,41001. additional espence.----(//eur,
Agar.)—Thi. Right lion. Gentleman had no objection to vote
the Estimates for six months, and in the Mean time he would
suggest the appointment of a Conunittec to inquire Into these
Wallets.
The first Resolution was then withdrawn.

A Resolution was moved, that a sum of 59,7631. be granted
for the Admiralty offices, &v.
To this Resolution Mr. Ttennsnt moved an amendment,
that 29,bti11. Itis.4d. be granted for the same Lidice, being for
lb". 1 dap', 0.

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On the question being put,
Mr. Canaan contended, that In the year 1001 and 1002 an in-
crease had taken place in the Naval Estimates, which were in
amount 210,0001. The Doric Yards in 1891 was 25,0001. and
in 1802 the amount was 77,0001. ; making in three items an in-
crease 0160,0091; whereas now there is a diminution of 40001.
or 50001. The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the ease of
the clerks' salaries, and stated, that the superannuation did not
originate with him. In respect to the number of clerks in the
Admiralty Office, the Rt. hon. Gentleman was iu error. He
(Nlr. C.) had not added one clerk to the Establishment. Sitter
the Ist of March, 1814, there were not less than YO clerks re-
duced. The Hon. Gentleman stated, that the labour of °thee
for the last tour months had been greater than during the war.
0110 reason would suffice to show the increase of labour. Iu
1802 there were .13(10 out-pensioners. In the present year the
panther was increased to 33,000. Every one ot' those added to
tile labour at the Navy-(plies as well its the Admiralty. The
accounts were to be brought up, and in the first scar of peace
there was 00 end to the trouble and labour of getting up the
aecounts. With respect to patronage, every department was
restricted, in ease of vacancy. from tilling it up. So that the
Hoard of Admiralty had every disposition to second the views
of the rummy fur economy. It was his duty to state, that of
the clerks superannuated, two had served kom 35 to 37 years,
Hear, h,ar!) -Five others were selected, who were the (cast
etheiem, and they were diAnisacti.

Mr. IS not Gil A N NW" got tillitC :litissed with the Finn. Secre-
tary's exylanation, a to the items of expence in the F.stimates.
atil entered into an enlarged statement of the increase of sala-
rie4, and conchuled by expressing his heartfelt convict* that
if the !louse did not watch oser the pledge that Ministers had
put in the mouth of their master, of economy, they would be
neglecting tin it most 'timed duties.

51r. Masses said, it seemed to he agreed (hat the Estimates,
as far as salaries went, were itteren.ed, and yet that fevror erA-
eient persons were employed. To him it appeared that the
House would be departing from its bounden duty Wit agreed to
env aimmentat ion whatever in the salaries In many installers
of this kind,* had seen thitt the interests of the public went
for nothing; but lie 1101:ed the House wi old slot stiller it to be
so in the present ease. He thought this part of the Estimates
should be oust! 00000 ed.
Lord it 4611 defended the measures of Government,
and said Ministers could out, emisi•tently with their duty, soh
elit to regulate their conduct etitirel ht the ii roam of Gentle-
men ormsite. lie was 4Firemly as any of those Gentleme st to sob-
suit to the mil voice of ; but, %Chiba eollSeiti,r, drat he
as titseintrdieg his duty 1,1 the hist oflti, • r for a Ivan-

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taze of the country, ho eonhi not he clamour, ,bro üby (;r•u.
neaten who go loudly contethlcii that their system only nag the
system of economy. Hear, bow, heir 1)

Mr. PoNsnn UV opposed the sole,
The Committee then divided can Mr. flankes's Amendment,
for the Chairman's reporting and asking leave to sit
again, "lien the numbers weir—Foe the Amendment --
Against it lii3.--'Mujority against the Amendment, and in fa.
voile of Ministers, 78. _ _

On our re-nflmlffsion into the gallery, Mr. Ben tyn Was
spenking on the general question. The lion. Member COe.
eluded iiv movirnf that a sum of 57,1531. should be imertisti,
instead of the orivinal sum proposttl in the Resolution.
The Amen.linent wits support' by Mr. Gsleraft, Mr. W.
Wynne, Sir M. Willey, Admiral Maillwin, Mr. Forbes, Lard
Felt:stone, tvr. and opposed by Mr. Croker, Sir G. Warrenflt r,
Mr. Huse, Mr. Wrottesley, Lard lliunin;, Lord Castlereagh,
and Mr. Fitzgerald.
Tie Committee then dis Wet upon Mr. Baring's Amendment.
For the Amendment 38—Against it I..!4—Majority for Minis.
tern Met._ _

The other Orders (lithe Day were them diiposedof, and the.
Home adjourned at Halt:putt Two o'Clock.

TI1U1111)AV, MUM' 28.
PRINCE. OF SONY. COBOITRCI.

The Depots. ()Alter of the Black Roll summoned the attend.
once of the lioo‘e in the House of Peers, to heir the Roy d
,assent elven by Commission to public Rilk. The !Soca er, up.
on his. retort], unnonneed that the Royal Await hall :wen given
to the Bill for permitting the naturalirAtion of the Prince of
Save elhoorg.
The Cu.stvct:l3 nu of Ow FA en cnc en moved for leave to bring
in a Bill to naturalize and settle the precedeoce of Prince Leo.
Ito! I. Leave !riven.
'flip Cit %virtu con of the EXCITF:QU/R brought In the 1311,
which was passed through its several Staes, and ordered to the
Lortli.

A na.4.rize front the Loris afterwards announced, that their
I.4o.d.ships had also agreed to the Bill.

COUNTY IZ

Mr. Cu %PUN rave notice, that on no early day he elith,
apply for leave to introduce a Bill for the bettor reguLtliou of
Comity Bitte4.

(lithe motion that the Woolwich Pere• not he read a serond
time, some di sew,ion arrtce between Mr. Swan, Sir J. Graham,
Alderman Smith. Mr. Calvert, and Mr. llarelay, who proposed
That the liII 1w read a second time this day six months.

On thi% proptKition a diyilion took place. The Humbert
wine—Ayes 32—N acs 10— Majority IG.

UTIGHTS ANI) MEASURES.

The Report of the ‘Veiglits and Measures Bill was hroneht
np, and the Resolution read and agreed to, the alteration pro-
posed by Mr. Termayne, that there be no iron weight* under
Slb. instead of lib. being acquiesced in.
Mr. Loon sicros brought up the report of the Committee on
the Promissory Note Act. and the resolution that it was expe-
dient to revi% e and continue the Bill for suspending the Act of
the lith of the King was read and agreed to, and a Bill order,
ed accordingly.
Admiral MAltillOd maved for an account of all fees re.,
ceived in 1815, by the Admiralty, Navy, and Office,
and the appropriation thereof respectively. Ottlered.

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