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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 13, 1855,

lb. of biscuit, 1 oz of coffee, 1i oz. of sugar, 2 oz. of
rice, and 1-32 parts of a gallon f rum.
Oa tho total amount of the different items in the esti-
mates being proposed,
Sir F. BARING observed that this was tho first time
that the estimates had been arranged under the new sys-
tem, and that it might perhaps be the most convenient
opportunity to make a few remarks upon the manner in
which that system had been carried out. He had always
been of opinion that all payments by the Treasury, as far
as they related directly to military affairs, should be trans-
ferred to the War Department ; but he saw no other rea-
son why matters of finance, banking, and other business of
that kind, should be thrown upon the War-office. He very
much doubted the policy of handing over the whole of
those matters to the War-office which might be transacted
with greater ease in the Treasury. Again, with respect to
the great mass of colonial expenditure, which appeared to
be transferred to the War-office, he feared that its trans-
action would completely overwhelm that department; and
that if the war continued for two or three years more, it
would be impossible to get through it without great con-
fusion. He would like to see a commission appointed,
which would provide that while a proper check was re-
served to the Treasury, the other departments should not
be overwhelmed with work which it was impossible for

it was well known that some of their contracts were car-

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.

tied out in the worst possible manner ; as, for instance,

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the clothing sent to the Crimea, and the provisions sup-
plied to the navy. The most respectable houses in the
country would not send tenders to the Government, be-
cause they knew they would be outbid by persons who
only dealt in inferior articles. Tea had been mentioned by
an hon. member, but it would be about the worst thing
the Government could do to go into the market and ask for
a tender for a supply of that article. The price would im-
mediately run up, and the Government would have to ac-
cept a tender at an increased rate. It would be much bet-
ter to go to a respectable house, which he believed would
not only undertake to supply a good article, but agree to
furnish it to those for whose consumption it was intended.
Mr. WILSON said the observations he made bad no re-
ference whatever to the army in the East. There was a
great difference between an army in the field, subject to
uncertainty and rapid and constant movements, and an
army in a settled community. He alluded to our various
commissariat establishments all over the world—at Ber-
muda, the Cape of Good Hope, and other places—where
the troops were stationary, and where there were persons
on whose good faith they bad perfect reliance, and who
wore amenable to the law. It did not require very much
consideration to see that feeding the army in the East by
contract would be a most inefficient and unsatisfactory
mode of proceeding. The contract system, like every other
system, was defective in some points; but he asked what
the country would think of their allowing the officers of
the commissariat and other departments to deal with pri-
vate individuals without the chock of publicity? (Hear.)
Viscount EBRINGTON complained of the bad quality
of the clothing which had been furnished to the troops.
This was attributable to taking the lowest tender, without
reference to the quality, and having persons to inspect the
goods who knew nothing of the duties they were called
upon to discharge. He wished also to impress upon the
Government the great importance of supplying the troops
with vegetables, and this whether they had salt or fresh
meat.

WESTERN ClRCUlT.—Seusnunr, MARCH 12.
Mary Anm _Yapper and James Napper, who were con-
victed on Saturday of manslaughter, were sentenced—
James Napper to eighteen months' imprisonment, and
Mary Ann Napper to six months.
James Andrews, James Pl'UlttZ, William, Dougherty,
and Robert Andrews, who were privates in the Royal
Artillery, were indicted for feloniously shooting at John
_Fowler, with intent to murder him, at Devizes, on the
6th of September last.
Mr. Arney was counsel for the prosecution ; Mr.
Russell watched the case on the part of the Board of
Ordnance.
_ _

It appeared that the prisoners were quartered at De-
vizes. On the night of the 6th of September last there
had been a disturbance at a public-house there, kept by
a man named Paradise, between some of the soldiers and
some people, and one of the soldiers struck a man with
his sword. In consequence of this the police were called
in, and two of the soldiers were apprehended. This
caused great excitement and dissatisfaction amongst the
soldiers, and a row took place. Shortly after this, some
of the police attempted to apprehend Pruntz, one of the
prisoners, :it the Nag's Head public house. A violent
row took place, and the police were beat out by the sol-
diers ; and as bey also went out a,t the same time, the
landlord (Willis) shut the door to keep theta out, but
one of them (Dougherty) being billeted there she showed
the rest the way in by a back door, and amongst them
were the other three prisoners. Tney were in a very
excited state, and demanded to have their swords, which
were in a room up stairs. Willis endeavoured to pre-
vent this, and persuaded them to be. quiet. A man in
the house ran up stairs and locked the door of the roam,
but the soldiers went up stairs and burst the panel of the
' door in, and got their swords. Amongst the men do-
ing this were J. Andrews, Dougherty, and Pruntz. They
then came down stairs with their swords, and went out
into the streets. A mob of people were collected, whom
the soldiers immediately attacked. A fight took place,
but eventually the soldiers were driven hack into the
backyard of the inn. Stones were thrown on both
sides. At that time Lieut. Walker, of the troop, came
with a bombardier named Grey, and succeeded in getting
their swords from them, and all for a time got quiet ;
I but on his leaving the soldiers again became very excited
and violent, and swore they would have their carbines.
Grey attempted to prevent this, but Janses Andrews
and Pruntz went up stairs and brought down a carbine.
It was loaded, and James Andrews said, 11'11 go and
deliver my marble," and he went out and fired on the
people. He came in again, and Pruntz loaded the car-
bine again, and Dougherty carried it outside, when
James Andrews fired it. Immediately on this, some
one in the crowd said that a man was shot, and it sub-
sequently appeared that a tailor, named Fowler, had
been abet through the neck, and his life was in danger
for some time. After this, the three men—James An-
drews, Dougherty, and Pruntz—went out again, and
fired on the people several times. After the first shot
was fired, James Andrews said that he had given some
of them something, and that he would give them some
• more. After they had gone out the third time, the
guard came, and the prisoners were taken into custody.
The prisoners, in their defence, complained of the.con-
duct of the police, and said they were the first
aggressors.
The learned judge baying summed up,
The jury returned a verdict of guilty, with intent to
do grievous bodily harm. The prisoners ware sentenced
—Andrews to transportation for life, and the other two
to 14 years' transportation.

them to dischaTge.
Mr. WILLIAMS said the estimate now proposed would
complete the war estimates for the present year, which
amounted to nearly 40,000,0001. Ho would like to have
seen the estimates referred to a committee of the house,
as it seemed to him that the house was voting the money
without any inquiry. (Hear.) Ho believed it would be
far better to consolidate all the payments connected with
the war, and to make ono person responsible for them.
He had hoped that the charges for the transport had all
been done with. Ho had hoped that the charges for the
transport had all been done with, but now h found au
item of 282,0001. for transport service in the present esti-
mate. Ho considered that all these charges ought to be
consolidated, so that the house might be able to discuss
them at the same time, and with reference to each other.
Mr. WILSON said that the various duties which the
commissariat officers abroad had to discharge belonged to
various branches of the Government. They were duties of
a financial and executive character, and the way in which
their accounts wera adjusted was that the accounts were
referred to the audit office, which separated them all,
and charged to each department the portion which fairly
belonged to it. There was a curious element in the
commissariat service called the commissariat chest fund,
which contained a floating sum of 1,2,;0,000/. This sum
was still managed by the Treasury, and the War and
Naval Department wore responsible for the portion which
they had of the fund. The Treasury was responsible that
this fund should merely meet advances, and that all pay-
ments made out of it should be refunded as soon as pos-
sible by the particular service on account of which the
advances were made.

Lord LOVAINE thought it was a bad system to appoint
civilians to the commissariat department. In the East
India Company they selected men from among the ranks
of the army, who were better qualified for the discharge of
the duties than civilians.
Mr. ROCHE said it was not the fault of • the contract
system that the goods supplied were inferior, but that of
the inspector. To accept any than the lowest tender
would involve the Executive in the greatest difficulties,
and expose them to the gravest suspicions.
Captain BOLDERO said that the navvies had remon-
strated against being deprived of their beer, and that the
Government had accordingly fitted out three vessels with
beer for their use. If civilians were to have it, he saw no
reason why the troops should not also enjoy their favourite
beverage. He wished to kuow why the supply for the army
had been stopped ?
Mr. WILSON said that the reason why the Government
had not supplied the troops with beer was, that it was not
a part of the regulations. The object of the Government
in sending out beer, tea, &c., was to allow the men to pur-
chase tbem at the lowest possible price. _

Lord SEYMOUR said, the separation of the depart-
ments had taken six months to effect, and that it had not

been acoomplished in a satisfactory manner. He was nut
prepared to say what the best arrangement would have
been, but he thought that the Treasury had transferred all
the difficulties of the Commissariat Department to the
War Department. This confusion was not, however,
fairly chargeable upon the House of Commons, but upon
the Treasury, which had effected the transfer in so inade-
quate and unsatisfactory a manner. The Commissariat
Department had been assailed more than any other, and
yet he believed it was the only department in which pro-
motion went by merit only, and not by interest. With
regard to the charge of 282,0001. for land and iuland trans-
port service, to which the hon. member for Lambeth had
referred, the charge had nothing whatever to do with the
transport of troops by ships, it being intended to cover the
expenses connected with moving men and material from
place to place on shore. The present item included a sum
of 50,0001. for the railway from Balaklava to the camp be-
fore Sebastopol. He did not want to go through the de-
tails of the vote, but there was one point to which he must
refer, and that was the rations issued. It was generally
understood that those rations were principally salt beef,
and he thought that the Government ought to turn its
most serious attention to the question whether other ra-
tions could not be issued in lieu of salt beef, and that it
ought to strive as far as possible that vegetables should be
issued with the rations.

Mr. STAFFORD was of opinion that the answers of the
hon. gentleman the Secretary of the Treasury (Mr. Wilson)
to the statements of his hon. and gallant friend (Captain
Boldero) were most unsatisfactory. A general denial was
by no means sufficient. His hon. and gallant friend had
made, as be had a right to make, complaints of the manner
in which the commissariat was administered ; and though
his hon. and gallant friend had not been allowed to quote
the evidence given before the committee, and had been
stopped in doing so, the facts themselves were unfortu-
nately only too notorious. Were those statements true, or
were they not ? The answers of the hen. gentleman, he re-
peated, would not be sufficient for the people of this coun-
try, who felt so deep an interest in everything concerning
the welfare of tho army. What had the answer of the Se-
cretary to the Treasury (Mr. Wilson) amounted to ? Why,
merely to this—that Mr. Commissary Filder, having
already made promises which be bad not fulfilled, the
Government had confidence that he would still fulfil
them. But the statement of his honourable and gallant
friend would go forth to the country, and would be eagerly
perused. The treatment of the soldiers wounded in the
Crimea who arrived here was disgraceful to the Govern-
ment. On the voyage, those poor fellows had, to his
certain knowledge, nothing better to eat than pork, salt
pork—not only salt pork, but even salt pork quite rancid.
(Hoar.) Yes, and biscuits so rotten that they were full of
maggots, and which, to be eaten at all, ought, like those
of the crew of Columbus, to be eaten in the dark. (Hear.)
Well, but there was another grievance—a shameful griev-
ance. Why were not those poor men paid when they ar-
rived here ? Why did they not receive the arrears of their
pay which were honestly due to them ? Was it not cruel
to deprive a poor fellow who, having lost an arm or a leg
in fighting the battles of his country, arrived on our shores
of the means of paying his fare to the place in which his
relatives resided ? (Hear, hoar.) And this, too, when the
money was due to him. The excuse sot up by the officials
for this cruel treatment was, that the accounts had not yet
arrived from the Crimea; but those accounts were in a
state of the most hopeless confusion. Was this the man-
ner in which, by our miserable system of routine, our gal-
lant soldiers were to be treated ? Would they permit such
a system to go on in the War-office ? He had personally
complained of this, anti would continue to do so until the
injustice was remedied. The hon. gentleman also called
attention to the state of the hospitals in the East, and es-
pecially respecting that about to be established at Smyrna.
Last December he had asked the authorities at the War-
office to establish an hospital at Smyrna, because the cli•
mate during the winter mouths was favourable to pulmo-
nary complaints, but his suggestions were overruled ; and
now that the hot weather was about to set in, and that the
climate there would bo insalubrious in a high degree, we
were about to have an hospital. (Hear, hear.)
Colonel PEE L deprecated those repeated statements re-'
specting matters which were now under consideration be-
fore a committee upstairs—a committee specially apptinted
to inquire into and report upon the state of the army be-
fore Sebastopol. That committee was most earnestly en-
gaged in the inquiry, and would, he felt persuaded, have a
most searching and thorough investigation. Until the
committee had concluded its labours, he would advise hie
hon. friend and others to forbear making those statements
which inculpated absent persons to the house.
Mr. Stafford had only called the attention of the Go-
vernment to evils of a most urgent and pressing character.
Mr. M. MILNE'S quite agreed with his hon. friend the
member for Northamptonshire (Mr. Stafford), and thought
the committee would prove an evil rather than a benefit if
it were to have the effect of stopping the mouths of hon-
members who had a perfect right to-make such statements
to the house. (Hear, let a-.)
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 42,1201. was proposed to defray the charges of
half-pay, pensions, and allowances.
Aveed to.
The CHAIRMAN then reports 1 the resolutions.
The house resumed.
The house went into committee pro forma on the Militia
(Ireland) Bill, anti added a clause.
The Intramurial Burials (Ireland) Bill was read a second
time.
The Purchasers Protection against Judgments Bill passed
through committee.
The Lunacy Regulation Act Amendment Bill passed
through committee.
PRICE'S DISA.BILITIEi REMOVAL BILL.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to ask whether the vote
of 600,0001., which was taken for the commissariat ex-
penses of the year 1851-55, included the expenses of the
whole of that period, as, although that year was a year of
war, the amount exceeded but by very little that voted for
former years? That was one point which had to be ex-
plained. It certainly appeared to him that when the house
wes discussing an estimate, which when voted would com-
prise a sum of nearly 40,000,0001., it ought clearly to un-
derstand the machinery by which it was to be distributed.
The house did not know, though they were voting mil-
lions, that the articles to be supplied with the sums voted
would ever reach their destination. It was very difficult,
he knew, to discuss the question of transport, but still he
thought the hon. gentleman the Under Secretary for War
ought to tell them by what means the various stores to be
sent out were to reach their destination. Could the hon.
gentleman show that they would ever reach their destina-
tion ? It was useless to send stores at all, unless their
transport was dealt with in the same manner as any marl
of common sense would deal with it. It appeared from
leto experience that, though 21,000 tons of provisions and
thousands of tons of fuel had been sent out to the Crimea,
the soldiers had had to eat their provisions raw, and a large
quantity of the stores had never been distributed at all.
The hon. gentleman ought at least to show that something
had been done to prevent a recurrence of those terrific
blunders. When the goods were pnt on board the trans-
ports, some one ought to be put with them to be respon-
sible for their safe delivery. As it was it was mere chance
if the stores ever reached their destination. All those cir-
cuneetances to which he had adverted seemed to point to a
want of arrangement in detail.
Mr. F. PEEL said he believed that the difficultietewhich
had been experienced in regard to the transport of stores
were confined exclusively to land transport. The trans-
port of stores by sea was managed by the Admiralty, and
they had established a transport board to attend exclu-
sively to that business. He (Hr. Peel) believed such mat-
ters would be much facilitated by their mduct being
wholly undertaken by one department of Government.
Mr. WILSON said with regard to the question of the
hon. gentleman opposite (Sir H. Willoughby) whether the
600,0e0!. voted for 1834-55 included the whole expenses of
the commissariat for that year, he (Mr. Wilson) had been
asked the same question last year, and had then replied
Mat it was impossible to form any accurate estimate as to.
the commissariat expenses, and that the Government
therefore, take, as nearly as possible, the usual vote for those
expenses, leaving it to the vote of credit of 3,000,00)/. to
supply every deficiency that might be found iu the amount
voted. This year the Government had had a better oppor-
tunity of estimating the probable expenses of the Commis-
sariat Department, and therefore proposed to take a vote
for a sum equal to its estimated expenditure. He would
add that the commissariat accounts would still be audited,
as formerly, by the Audit Board.
Mr. LAING said that the house ought, in order to be
able to enter into any useful discussion upon the estimates,
to have an analysis, showing how, and to whom, the same
were to be distributed. One of the sums to be voted was
a million, or more, for rations for the army. Those rations
principally consisted of salt beef. Now, the estimates showed
the amount of rations to be supplied to different military
stations, but did not show the number of men at each to
whom they were to be distributed. The house ought also
to know the particular items on which the money was ex-
pended, and nothing would be easier than to give an ana-
lysis of such items. lie would also call attention to the
question of many of those articles being supplied by pri-
vate contract. Many of the largest shippers provisioned
their vessele by private contract, and it was found most
beneficial to all parties. The majority of emigrant vessels
were also provisioned in the same way; and economy and a
better supply was almost universally the result. He did
not wish to dogmatise upon the p 'int, for it was a very dif-
ficult one, but it certainly was oneworthyof investigation,
and he thought that, after the transport estimates hadbeen
voted, it would be as well to have the matter thoroughly
considered by a committee of practical melt upstairs. With
regard to the rations of salt beef which had been supplied
to the troops in the Crimea, he did hope that some different
arrangement would be come to with regard to rations. He
also suggested that tea should occasionally be substituted
fur coffee, as the former would be found not only a great
luxury, but also in casesof diarrheee possessed of medicinal
qualities. He would also suggest that vegetables should be
supplied to the troops as often as possible. They might be
, sent out compressed and dried. Some such packages had
been received in the Crimea, and he had heard from a friend
lately returned from the camp that they were much relish-
ed, and esteemed a great luxury. He would also suggest
whether oranges might not be supplied. They might easily
be furnished, and would be found great comforts.
Sir J. BAILEY asked whether auy explanation had been
given to the house why the army had for so long a time
been rationed almost exclusiselyon salt meat? Anyamount
of fresh provisions might have readily, with the means of
transport we possessed, been obtained from Europe, Asia
Minor, and other ports.
Mr. WILSON said ample arrangements were made for
a fresh supply of provisoes from the coast of Asia Minor,
and why it should have failed so much of late he was un-
able to state; but he saw from accounts in the public pa-
pers that the difficulty of transport was very great, and the
difficulty of feeding cattle far greater. It also appeared
that cattle had died in considerable numbers. With re-
gard to the contract system there could be but one opinion,
that in every possible shape and form in which that sys-
tem could be brought to bear it should be adopted. Com-
petition by open contracts was supported by all their ex-
perience, whether the end to be attained was economy or
efficiency. He admitted the principle most fully, and as
far as it could be carried out. At the commissariat sta-
tions throughout the world nothing was purchased by pri-
vate contract or bargain, but everything by public con-
tract ; and so rigid were the rules of the service, that when
the accounts were sent in to the Audit Board they had to
be accompanied by the advertisements in the newspapers,
to show that the transactions were made public, and also
the tenders themselves, to prove that the lowest tender
had been accepted. Howi the principle could be extended
further by rationing the army 'at so much per head he was
not prepared to say; that was a most important point,
and it was one well worthy the consideration of the Go-
vernment.
Mr. PEACOCKE said it appeared that the troops sel-
dom received a ration of fresh meat ; but, if ho were cor-
rectly informed, preserved meat to any extent might be
supplied to them at a price only 2d. or 3d. above the cost
of salt meat. He did not think, considering the services
on which they were engaged, that the house would grudge
that additional expense.
Col. DUNNE•said the same recklessness and waste which
characterised the distribution of the relief fund during the
famine in Ireland marked the expedition to the East, and
the consequences were the came iu both instances. In
Ireland, the destruction of 2,000,000 of people ; and in the
East, the destruction of an army. In each case the blame
rested with the commissariat. The Government were now
about to organise a land transport corps ; but he could not
understand why, with the examples to bo found in former
campaigns of the necessity of such a corps, they should
have omitted forming it before the expedition started for
the East.
Lord SEYMOUR thought the observations of the Se-
cretary to the Treasury required some further explanation.
lie understood him to say the contract system was the best
system, and would bo universally adopted by our army
abroad. Now, it might be very excellent in this country,
where there was a large mercantile community, but it
would fail at Constantinople, at Varna, and in Asia Miner.
(Hear, boar.) If they made a contract with an Armenian,
or a Jew, he might break it almost immediately after-
wards, and they could not subject him to any penalties.
Ile, therefore, wished to know whether, in the purchases
made in the East, the commissariat service was required
to proceed by contract., because, if so, the sooner the matter
was inquired into the better.
Mr. RICARDO very much doubted whether the con-
tract system was the best even in this country. There
was added to most of the proposals of public companies
for tenders an important proviso, that the parties did not
bind themselves to accept the lowest tender. The same
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The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved for leave to intro-
duce a bill to relieve W. P. Price, Esq., 31. P., from any
disability he may have incurred by reason of a contract for
sending wooden houses to the army in the Crimea.
Mr. PELLA.TT wished to knew whether any precedents
existed for interfering with the law, imperative as it was
laid down, in relation to persons taking Government con-
tracts while holding a seat in that house?
The SOLICITOR-GENERA L .replied there would be no
difficulty in finding numerous instances in which the house
had interfered in the case of persons who had incurred
penalties under the act.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill.
SMOKE ABATEMENT BILL.

On the motion of Mr. WILKINSON, returns were or-
dered of the number of prosecutions in the metropolitan
police-courts under the Smoke Abatement Act, 1853, stat-
ing the grounds of such prosecutions, and the amount of
fines imposed in consequence thereof ; of the mode in which
the amount of such fines had been applied; and of the ex-
penses attending such prosecutions.
METROPOLITAN LOCAL MANAGEMENT.
Sir B. HALL postponed his bill for the better local ma-
nagement of the metropolis till Friday.
The house then adjourned at 11 o'clock till this day.

ARMY BEFORE SgBASTOPOL COM-

111ITTICE.

,7 (Continued from our first edition of yesterday.)

C.)lonel Wilson, Grenadier Guards, in continuation,
said—The bread supplied to the troops was very fair.
After encamping before Sebastopol the troops were sup-
plied with green coffee, but with no apparatus whatever
for roasting or preparing it. They preferred tea to any-
thing else. The French system of cookery was far supe-
rior to our method. The food supplied.to the men when
engaged in the trenches was salt pork and rum. They
generally cooked their meat before they went out, and
eat it cold. They rarely had any vegetables—but they
sometimes had rice—officers as well as men. Sometimes
the comrades of the men at work in the trenches prepared
food for them against their retnrn ; but if they did not,
of course they bad to cook it themselves. Trench and
picket duty fell very heavily, and he did not suppose in
many cases that a man could get more than from three
to five hours' sleep. out of the twenty-four. The
Commissary at Varna refused some potatoes to
a serjeant of his regiment, because the returns he pre-
sented were not properly made out. He approved very
highly of the French ambulance system, of which he had
had practical experience ; it was far preferable to ours,
as it was not so cumbrous or inconvenient. The French
knapsacks were lighter than ours. No adequate provi-
sion was made for the speedy removal of the wounded
from the battle field, and be had heard of men lying a
whole night on the field of Inkerman. At one time the
clothing of the Guards was so bad that one could scarcely
have told they were soldiers. No supplies of clothing or
boots were issued to the troops while he was there. He
was not aware whether there were any supplies in Ba-
laklava harbour at that time. As an instance of the
privations in this respect to which officers and men were
subjected, he might mention that, from the 14th Sep-
tember, when he landed in the Crimea, to the 26th Nov.,
when ho reached Constantinople, be bad no change of
clothes. He had no change of linen, and was never led
to expect any. Tie thought much of the sickness which
prevailed arose from the want of a proper supply of fresh
meat. Before he came away he did not think more than
20 men bad their knapsacks, and those landed subse-
quently with them on their backs.
By Mr. Bahl--Several individual efforts were made by
officers to obtain their baggage from on board the vessels
in which they had come, but without effect.
Captain Blakeley stated that lie arrived at Gallipoli
before the troops. There was no commissary there when
the troops arrived, and no preparations whatever were
made for them. They had tents, and were tolerably
well supplied with food. Occasionally the rations ran
short ; for instance, the commissary would supply
770 rations fur 800 men, but that arose from his not
knowing the strength of the regiment. It was the duty
of the quartermaster to inform the commissary of the
strength of the regiment. • When he went to the Crimea
he found the men ragged and half starved.
At this stage of the proceedings the room was cleared
for discussion, and the committee soon afterwards ad.
journed, it being nearly four, until to-morrow.

Among the deaths of the week has been that of the
distinguished water-colour painter, Mr. Copley Fielding.
lie Ras in WO Ot1:1 year.