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traits together, bciore he determined upon such a course.
As to the placards, it was well known that no placards
appeared until after the meeting, and those placards were
copies of an article in a ministerial newspaper. He con-
cluded by saying, that the citizens must no longer be
insulted, ant the Court he had nu doubt, would express
their unanimous sentiments in favour of the Resolutions.
Mr. WILLIAMS, the tirtenH ELT!, said, the Chair
ought to be filled by a man of thorough independence,
and the moment it was LI that be who occupied it
was not one of that character, he should he no longer
entitled to it. Ills Lordstnp had an idea that his con-
duct might go abroad as all example to the country.
Ttte LORD MAYOR.—" Yes."
Mr. ‘VILLIAMS continued. Then he hoped God
would prevent it ever being followed.—(Hear, hear.)—
He thought there had been too great a feeling for a long
time between theMatision House and the \Vest-end of the
Town, and there was an awful exainple in the A ianches-
ter proceedings, which should have preveuted the desire
to have the service of soldiers. It was true the military
were not within the but a hint might have soon
brought them to au offensive situation, and the slightest
fracas might hate occasioned a deluge of blood.
Mr. FAvbit. rejoiced at the unanimity that prevailed.
If the Lord i\layor had intended to overawe the Livery,
he was guilty of an act of treason against them. If such
an intention had been aL owi d by his Lordship, that
Court wiaild have felt very little hesitation at removing
him, fiir every man who attended a Common Hall
would be under fear of military authority.
After some further observations the question was put
and carried in the affirmative unanimously.
The LORD MAYOR laid before the Court the Address
voted on the 14th of June, and her Majesty's Answer.
Ordered to be insetted io the Journals.

FROM TUESDAY NIGIIT'S GAZETTE.
I.mto CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, JIILY 11.
Orders for the Court's going into mourning on Sunday next,
the 16th instant, for the late Princess Dowager of Orange, viz.—
The Lathes to wear black silk, fringed or plain linen, white
gloves, necklaces, and ear-rings, black or white shoes, fans, and
tippets.
Undress—White or gray lustrings, tabbies, or dainasks.
The Gentlemen to wear black, full trimmed, fringed or plain
linen, black swords and buckles.
Undress—Gray frocks.
The Court to change the mourning on Sunday, the 23d inst.,
viz.—
The Ladies to wear black silk or velvet, coloured ribands, fans
and tippets, or l'lain white, or white and gold, or white and
silver stuffs, with black ribands.
The Gentlemen to wear black coats, and black or plain white,
or white and gold, or white and silver stuff waistcoats, full
trimmed, coloured swords and buckles.
And on Thursday, the 27th instant, the Court to go out of
mourning.
BANKRUPTCIES ENLARGED.
M. Ackroyd, Leeds, Yorkshire, earthenware manufacturer,
from July la to Aug. 1:1.
E. Green, Leeds, earthenware manufacturer, from July is to
Aug. 12.
1. Wilby, Ossett, Yorkshire, merchant, from July 15 to
Aug. 11.
BANKRUPTS.
R. and W. Denson, Chester, curriers. Solicitors, Messrs.
Philpot and Stone, Southampton Street, Bloomsbury.
W. Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, shopkeeper. Sol. Mr.
Wiglesworth, Gray's Inn.
T. Burlingham, Worcester, glover. Sols. Messrs. Bousfield
and Williams, Bouverie Street.
J. Dyer, Frome Selwood, Somerset, cordwainer. Sol. Mr.
Williams, Red Lion Square.
D. Hawkins, Sheffield, York, innkeeper. Sols. Messrs. Darke
and Co., Red Lion Square.
T. Thompson, Newcastle upon Tyne, joiner. Sols. Messrs.
Marriott and Co., Gray's Inn Square.
It. P. Cruden, Gravesend, slopseller- Sols. Messrs. Gregson
and Fonnereau, Angel Court, Throgmorton Street.
T. Brennand. Bread Street, Cheap•ide, warehouseman. Sols.
Messrs. Bourdillon and }Lewitt, Bread Street.
G. J. Swain, Mansell Street. Goodman's Fields, warehouse.
man. Sol. Mr. Jones, Size Lane.
J. Wilcox, Towcester, Northamptonshire, innkeeper. Sols.
Messrs. Longdill and Butterfield, Gray's Inn Square.
J. Warwick, Rotherhithe, ship builder. Sols. Messrs. Tyr-
rell and Son. Guildhall.
J. Welch, Nantwich, Cheshire, shopkeeper. Sol. Mr.
'lViglesworth, Gray's Inn.
DIVIDENDS.
July 15, J. Walker, Harp Alley, ironmonger-15, J. Wood-
roof, Gun Street. Old Artillery Ground, turner-IS, It. Groning.
Broad Street Buildings, inereltant-15, It. Hodgson, Fleet Street,
oilman-22, G. Whitehead, junior, and G. Clarke, Itasinghall
S'reet, Blackwell lota factor—August 1, It. S. Walker, East
Smithfield. colour manufacturer-1, It. Macdonald, Frant,
Sussex. shopkeeper-1, N, Davis, Gloucester Terrace. New
Road, Whitechapel, merchant-1, D. Ilockly, Brook Street,
Holborn, goldsmith—', It. flees, Chatham, draper-1, J. H.
Prior, London Road, Southwark, corn dealer-5, S. L. Cur-
lewis, King Street, Covent Garden, tador-7, 'l'. Booker, Fns-
worth, Southampton, miller.
CERTIFICATES to be granted Aug. 1.

C. and J. N. Ilayles, Portsmouth, grocers—W. P. NI. Croft,
East Sheen, Surrey, builder—A. and J. Manifold, Liverpool,
tanners—J. Matunson, Huddersfield, merchant—J. Goodie:,
Knutsford, victualler—J. Broagliton, Linthivaite, fork. hire,
cloth merchant—J. Hancock, St, Jamcb's Street,
cinch maker.

Her Majesty the Queen is by birth the nearest
heir to the throne of these realms, next after the
reigning Family,—and though her succession to
the throne is highly improbable, it is not impossible.
Would it not be a strange event if, after degradation
and divorce, her Majesty should ascend the throne.
The Duke of Rutland, is consequence of the con-
trition expressed by them, has obtained 3 pardon for
the four poachers who were sentenced to be trans-
ported for seven years, for poaching at midnight with
tire-arms in the vale of Belvoir; and not only restored
them to their distressed families, but directed that
they should be fully employed on his Graces estate.

It is said to be iu contemplation to take down
London-bridge, and to erect a new bridge in its
i.lace, to e.no:iq ooli of thrit arches.

Empertal parliament.
110 USE OF LORDS.
MONDAY, Jel.l( 10.
THE QUEEII.—The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he rose its
pursuance of previous notice, to state to the House what course
of proceeding he proposed to adopt with reference to the Bill
applicable to an illiwrious person. He reminded the House that
bctore the Bill came under discussion. Counsel were desirous of
delay, and there was a disposition to extend that delay to eight
or ten months. In consequence of the Report of the Secret Coin.
utittee and the introduction of the Bill, application tif a dilferent
nature was made—Coonsel in behalf of her Majesty had prayed
their Lordships to proceed forthwith. The noble Earl did not
state this as any inconsistency on the part of her legal advisers, as
no doubt sonic reason was to be stated for that advice. He was
ready to admit that a call having been made on the House to
proceed without delay, his Majesty's Government were bound to
answer, that till expedition, consistent with the administration of
justice, ought to be used. Looking at the magnitude of the
subject, and the public feeling, co ce, all nvenien ought to give way
to a desire to do substantial justice. It had been a matter of
consideration how tar justice could be done in a legis!ative pro-
ceeding against her Majesty without the assistance of the
learned Judges, and the communication he hail had upon
the subject confirmed his opinion that the House could
not exercise its duty on this occasion in a manner sato-
factory to the public without the assistance of the learned
Judges. instances were to be traced in which some of the Judges
had attended the House without going to the Circuits. The
House might dispense with the attendance of the whole of those
learned Judges, and therefore did not want them all. There
would be no opportunity before November to have all the Judges
present, and even then their attendance would be inconvenient.
liming enquired what was the shortest period at which the
House could command the attendance of the Judges, he under-
stood that on Thursday, the 17th of August, they might have
attendance of four learned Judges. It was, therefore, his inten-
tion to move, that the Bill be read a second time on the 17th of
August. There were ether motions which the noble Earl meant
to submit. lie was aware of the inconvenient season of the year
at which this was to come on ; but he trusted their Lordships
would feel the extreme importance of the case, and that they
would attend, whether the result was favourable or unfavourable
to the illustrious person, in a way that must be satisfactory. He
could not believe. in a matter of so much importance, the Peers
would not sacrifice their personal convenience to their sense of
urgent necessity. On the question arising from the proceeding,
the Lords could not vote by proxy, and us there ought to be a
regular attendance, their Lordships would feel what they owed to
themselves, the illustrious person, and the interests of the country
at large. There only remained one question to require further
observation, namely, how far the anangement would be satis•
factory to the other side. lie expressed a hope, if there was any
proposition to come from the illustrious person, it would be in a
few days.—The noble Earl then moved, that the Bill be read a
second time on Thursday, the 17th of August. lie also gave
notice, that he should move that a copy of the Resolutions be
I sent to her Majesty by the Usher of the Black Rod, and that the
Howie would allow Counsel to be heard at the Bar on the 17th of

August.
Earl GREY did not object to the proceeding suggested by the
noble Earl. It was most desirable to have the assistance of the
Judges, at the same time he threw out for the consideration of
the noble Earl, whether it would not be consistent with substan-
tial justice to allow her Majesty's Counsel the inspection of the
papers containing the evidence, in order that they might prepare
for her defence. A list of the witnesses should also be furnished.
He admitted, that every Peer was bound to attend the House
on the day for the discussion of this important subject, but lie
did not see why the Judges could not attend at an earlier period.
The noble Earl expressed a hope that no delay would ensue after
the 17th of Angus.
Lord HOLLAND, before he offered any remarks to the House,
moved, that the Standing Order, No. 47, be read,
The Order, bearing date 3d Aprilis, 16241, was accordingly
read. It appeared, that the llouse, sitting as the High Court of
Parliament, ordered persons accused to be furnished with all the
means of defence, viz. copies of all proceedings, pro and con. also
Counsel. &c.
Lord HOLLAND then said, if the order was correct, it was
imperative on the Lords to communicate the substance of the
evidence to her Majesty. In Itie3 that House was in a singular
situation :—a proceeding had been instituted against Lord
Treasures Middlesex. A Secret Committee was appointed in
the Conunons, to enquire into the elate of certain provisions and
stores, and rd Middlesex was put under accusation. A Coin-
mittec of Lords drew up articles of impeachment. Lord Mid-
dlesex then presented a petition for copies of the depositions, and
an order was made that lie should have them, to enable him to
prepare for his defence. 'These depositions consisted of the body
of evidence taken at the bar of the House. After the publication
of the ..bove order. it would be for the House to say, whether
copies of the papers before their Lonlehips ought to be delivered
to her Majesty. According to every principle ofjustice, copies of
..he contents of the Green Rag ought to be evunnunicated to the
! judges of the case, viz.—Every Member in the House, before
they proceeded. In ordinary cases of prosecution the depositions
I of witnesses were often taken in the presence of persons accused,
' and when the party was on trial, copies of the depositions were
given to the Judge. lie wished to know whether the Attornee-
General was to be furnished with the Green Bag. The Secret
Cononittes had not. as was usual, gone into detail of the evi-
dence ; but, on the contrary, their Report was no inure than a
snminary of the evidence, and advice to adopt a certain mode of
occeding. The Queen could have no knowledge from the
resort of the evidence in support of the charges, and his noble
friend's proposition for furnishing a list of the witnesses was right
upon every principle.
The Earl of LI V ERPOOL said, the most regular way to
consider precetlects would be to appoint a Coninottse for that
purpose. The Noble Lord had messed to a standing order; it
was. however, doubtful how far It applied to this question. In
another instance on the Journals of the I louse it would appear,
that the Bishop of Rocluader petitioned for permissiou to inasst
papers furnished by the House of Commons, and the petition
was rejected. The Lords in this instance were all of opinion,
that the judgment of the House would not be given upon depo-
sitions. It must depend on oral evidence. In granting a list of
the witnesses, a thousand obstructions to justice would inter-
vene.
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH stated some inconsistency in the
argument of the Noble Lord, who contended that tile Green
Bag ought to be known to the whole llouse. Those Noble lords
on a fomier day argued, that the !louse, bitting as Judges in
Parliament, and the sworn advisers of the Crown, could not see
the documents without pre judging the question.
Lord I I 01.1. AN D explained.
Lord ERSKINE said, he had long been an admirer of sub•
stantial justice, and he was satisfied that the Honour of that
House was a security for the faithful discharge of their duiy tu
this important inquiry. Whatever the evidence against her >ia•
linty might be, he should act with justice, and a firm adherence
to truth, without respect of persons. Ile contended that thie
cause was analogous to a case of high Treason, upon whic!ti
was uniformly the practice to supply to the party accused a
of the witnesses. Their Lordships should, in his opinion. give
every indulgence where analogies existed, and he put it to themr
whether the privileges of Parliament could be at all entlangervo
by
.an
eruptagreemen o permit her Majesty to have what was.
quired upon h rt In fact, lie thought it the duty of tin
Lordehips to ohmic the application.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, the Noble Lord (Holland)
had cited but one case of analogy, and that was the case of High
Treason, but the Noble Lord had been at last obliged to give up
even that. In the whole course of his (the l.ortl Chancellor)
official Life there had occurred no case but of High Treason in
which a list of the witnesses had been furnished to the accused
party. It never entered the mind of his Majesty's Ministers to
propane any proceedings of a private nature, neither had it ever
been suggested that any privilege should be withheld for a mo-
ment from the party accused. Their Lordships were anxious
that her Majesty should have all facilities for procuring the
means of her defence. The case was one which was to be con-
sidered upon general principles, and if their Lordships dissented
from the plan now proposed, it would be impossible for them to
proceed as their ancestors had done.
The Resolutions were then agreed to. After which.
Lord LIVERPOOL moved other Resolutions to the following
effect :
That her Majesty's Counsel should be informed of the
postponement.
•That Counsel should be heard upon the second reading of
the Bill in support of it.
" That the Attorney-General should be informed of this
arrangement.
" That the House should be called over on the 17th August,
at ten o'clock in the morning.
" That no Lord should leave the House during the proceedings
without leave; and
" That the Lord Chancellor should issue notice to tic Lords
to attend on the day of postponement."
The Resolutions were agreed to, and the House adjourned.
TUESDAY, JULY
BIRMINGHAM PE Ti rtori.—The Marquisofi. A NSDOWNE
presented a Petition from the Boroughreeve, Merchants, Manu-
facturers, and inhabitants of ilirminghatn, prayiril for relief
against the operation of the China and East India trade. After
some discussion between the Noble Marquis, the Earl of Liver-
pool. Lord Ellenborough, Earl Bathurst, and Lord Lauderdale,
on the tiolicy of oacning the Baltic Timber Trade, and relaxing
the duties, the Petition was laid on the table.
TILE QUEESL—Lord AUCKLAND said, he held in hand a
Petition from the Queen, and he should move it be read and laid
on the table, with a view of postponing the consideration of it till
Friday, when a Noble Lord (Erskine) was to bring forward the
same subject for discussion.
The Petition was then read by the Clerk.
The Petition of her Majesty the Queen to the Lords Spiritual
and Temporal in Parliament assembled, stated, that having
received information that the second reading, of the Bill of l'ains
and Penalties. degrading to her Majesty, had been fixed for the
17th of August, and being advised that a list of the witnesses was
necessary for her defence, her Majesty was desirous that it be
delivered fortnwith to her Attorney-General
The Earl of LAUDERDALE, after the Petition hail been
read, suggested that the House should appoint a Committee to
search for precedents. in order to see what had been done on
former proceedings of a similar nature. The Noble Earl thought
that mode of proceeding would be satisfactory to the politic.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, if the Noble Lord made a
motion for the appointment of a Committee. it might interfere
with the motion to furnish the Queen with a list of witnesses,
which stood for Friday. He was not aware of any strong prece-
dents to be found.
Lord HOLLAND felt some objection to the appointment of a
Committee to examine precedents. If such a motion was ma Ic
and agreed to, he expres ed a hope that the enquiry would be
general, and that the Committee would not cull precedents suited
to a confined view of the subject.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL had no objection to search for pre •
eedents, such as the Noble Lord referred to, but he did not think
a Committee could distinctly state to the direct object and appli-
cation of those precedents.
The Petition was then ordered to be taken into consideration
on Friday.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE immediately after moved,
that a Committee be appointed to search for precedents of furnish-
ing lists of witnesses in bills of attainder and all cases analogous.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, the best practicable course of
proceeding was to confine the enquiry to proceedings as similar as
possible to that before the House.
Lord HOLLAND could not allow that the House was to be
bound by rules and precedents. The principles of justice were
more essential to the proceetlin,g than precedents.
Earl BATIIuRSI expressed an opinion that it would be pro-
per to confine the enquiry to Bills of Attainder. Bills of Pains
and Penalties, and Impeachments. The Noble Earl consequently
moved to amend the motion by the insertion of the words pains
and penalties, and impeachments.
Tlic motion amended stood thus—" That a Committee be
appointed to search for precedents of furnishing Lists of IVit-
noises in Bills of Attainder, Bills of Pains and Penalties, and
Impeachments."
Lord HOLLAND again objected to the amended motion, and
contended, that the House ought to be governed only by the
best administration of justice.
Lord AUCKLAND agreed with his Noble Friend, Lord Hol-
land, and said he should vole against the motion of the Noale
Earl. At the same time he was only influenced by a wish to do
substantial justice. lie did not think her Majesty the Queen
could come before the House without a list of the witnesses;
without it she would not have the whole of the case balite her.
The House then divided on the amendment. The numbers
were—
For the Amendment IR
Ayain it
The motion, as amended, was accordingly carried, and the
Committee appointed.
The House adjourned.
WEDNSDAY, JULY IR.
lord KENYON presented a Petition, signed by a numerous
body of Electors and Merchants of Dublin, against a Clause in
a Bill before the House, for the regulation of Masters in Chan-
cery in Ireland. The said clause requires such Masters in Chan-
cery to reside in Ireland, in order that they may be the better
able to discharge the duty, and the Petitioners oppose the clause
on the ground that it will occasion a new election.
Pelew's Divorce Bill passed through a Committee. The
Smuggling Prevention Bill, and the Slaves Removal Bill, were
also committed, and reported without amendments.
Petition read and ordered to lie on the table.

Adjourned.
THURSDAY. ?PLY 15.
THE IRISH COURT OE CHANCERY BILL—Tile Earl of
CARNAIIVON asked whether it was the intention of the Noble
Lords connected with Government to move the second reading of
a Bill on the table to regulate the Court of Chancery in Ireland.
Lord REDESDALE said, the Bill would he advantageous to
the Court of Chancery in Ireland. l46nie parts of it were, how-
ever, objectionable. The Bill would require considerable amend-
ment.
The second reading was then fixed for to-morrow.
MARRIAGE ACT AMENDMENT ELLEN.
BOROUGH rose, pursuant to notice. to move the second reading
oh this Bill. The Noble Lord stated tour uses in which Mat-
riages had been set abide under the existing Act, by the minority
of the husbands. Some of them had been married between 50
and 4o years, and their marriages were set aside, Ind R Immo* that
they wanted two or three montos of being of age at the time the
ceremony was pertOmied. He meant to insert a clause, that no
Parties should be able to dissolve their marriages themselves ; but
parents and guardians might, within a given time, annul mu-
nage.. if irregular, and without their consent.
The LORD CHANCELLOR strorully oppo.ti: 07, Oil. and
declared he exalt: nut vote fat owing Into Comm:tn.,: upirn it.