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London, England, 1819-07-05 00:00:00

The remaining Ostlers having been disimed of, the House ad-
journed.

TEIURIOA Y, 11' I
The Marquis of T.tvistocK p n I'.•tition from
Liverpool, signed by 1800, pruving the udoptiuu of iuei.wies
uf Reform.

Petition rend and ordered to be printed.

Sir F. Bon DETT MSC to brio forward the all-important
question of Reform. lie did nit Loon to wham the Noble
Lord had alluded, hot he L•id not &me aoy thing to separate
the friend.: of Reform; on the citetrar) , lie wars tllllltOtt6 to
keep them tiewthar, us t ovoid ditf • wires itmongst them.—
Much hap., had arises' from th.• new Parham, et, but he
had th arid had found the new to he like the old Pars
Borneo. He had not brought it fort; hi,' eat lier this Session,
because had he done so, and hcfore the Par:iament wus
know n, he doubted not that the failure of the question would
hat e been laid at his door ; nay, some might have attributed
to him the three millions of nets taxes imposed on the people.
Ile did not now intimil to propu•c any specific plan—he
de sired the House to pledge itself to consider this allsimpoi t-
eat que-iiou seriously catty in the next Seat' ; and he
thought this a fluid secure the tranquillity of the Count's, and
would, above all, supersede the necessity of again resit, hog
to a suspension of the Constitution. He certainly should,
early in the next Session, call the a legalism of the House to
the necessity of is serious consideration of the quest' of
Reform by proposing a plan. He was nut for any thing
visionary ; a hat he had proposed in ISO, in particular,
was not visionary, and he still 'thought that taxisti .... and
obedience might to go hand in hand with representation.
The necessity of a more complete re,ireseirtation, and the
right to a more ample Commons House of Parliament, were
strongly supported by facts am! the best and latest constitis-
I authorities. Judge Blackstone was of that opinion.
Ile keld that 'the spirit of the Constitution allowed
every mac a trait-, except some special reasons &gabs.
the excise of such right ; and set those who held such
(loch-hoes were now termed ; why, he knew
not, except it resulted from the elegem'. d spirit of the age.
But was it too much for the people t r require to have voices
in the election of those who were to dispose of the lives and
properts of the Natio.) ? Tlwy. Mimeses, did not ask for
one-tenth pat t otf what their ancestors enjoyed, and yet were
they deemed visionary and ji.cobinical for the prayers
which flies submitted to that House. The state of
the people toil, was another argument for Reform; the
merchants, the manufastuters, the agriculturists, :mil
even the m 'ed p utile complained of distress. 'l•he Noble
Eord opposites who had spoken of the prosperity of the
country early in She Sees ttttt , ►new nothing of the teal stale
of the country; indeed, how could he? Elected, as that
I louse was, there arts embody iu it aho was intere-rd in
telling th.. truth; called togosher by titled nominees, and
representing rotten Boroughs. lint he would tell those who
called themselves higs, and who required retrerrehniesit
and et-oniony. that wit bout Reform, a hie h was " the oil id
the machine." tetrenclimeat and to oniony could not hi
ohtained—( Hear, hear!) Enormous taxation and a standing
army acre the results of this system, and that system a ould
continue so long as the people were ruled by the present no
revs-limitation. It was calls d acarrupt Howe, but ilia t
was an e►roneous idea; the assembly was called the repre-
iewatives of the people. (Cries ',J. order !)
The SPEAK ER submitted whether such langnage•ought to be
held.

Sir F. BURDF.TT said, whatever the Speaker thought was
incorrect language there, would guide Lis sentimerts. He con-
tinued, contending that it was wit a corrupt House, because they
did the duty of those who sent diem, frequently exposing them.
selves to odium that was unpleasant to the feelings. They
represented the particular Boroughs and Nominees—they did not,
howeter.ropresent the People folly and fairly. The calamity of
this systetn was, that the King could not choose I:is own .Nlims-
tees ; the Borough Proprietors in fact named them. 1 lie Crown
was thus deprived of its dignity and splendour: in the language
of Junius, the Royal Bird being deprived of his plornaae was
fixed to the earth. Another calamity resulted front it; while it
laded, the expenditure could not be lessened. It was shown in
the instance of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. who could not
listen to the complaints about the window tax in' reland, which
produced fevers, and the Lotteries, which produced vice and
motiondity. All parties were interested in the question from the
King to the Peasant...AU except the Borough Proprietors.
Pitt had foretold, that without reform an honest man could not
be a Minister; that without it the country would be involved in
f. :all wars; and Mr. Pitt in his own ?story unfortunately
radioed die truth of those predictions. He became Minister, and
intoxicated the country with his eloquence; he had gone, the
wars had ceased, but the sad realities remained behind. The
state of the coantry showed that the system was literally grinding
the people to pieces; there roust he Reform. It was mist that
good men would give good measures; that was., fallacy; but the
axiom of a legislator was, that good orders wen d gise good men.
11, r. ) Without the'anny, they imagined th,niselves unsafe;
hut dangerous as had been a standing army to the liberties of
Europe, he &anal less from them then from the gentlemen of the
long tube and those clothed in black. A lott;;It.) It was said
that they ought to be in a commanding attitude—but that wao
unwise, as every boxer could sell them. for the man dust kept
himself always in a state of defence was defeated as soon as the
cimibat began. The army might be retied on, but it would be
;,lied on in vain. if Msmoral feelings of the country -vdre 'once
aroused. it was said by theft. Him. Idenrberfor Lissetpool, who
was an open ofioonent, that the-e were theoretic blots. but that
the system "winked well." flow did it wink well? As the
gravedigger in flondd said of die gallows—•• how does it do
wells why it does well for those who do ill—etgo, it would do
well for Thee." Inn Oner.) They wild it worked well
who knew nothing of die real state of the country—who called
the ruined manufactures flourishing, butt who reposed in a Pane
disc created by themselves, for themselves. But Reform must
come if the country were to be saved, and lie .taw wished the
the Borough Proprietors, for their own sakes, to conic to some
agreement with tie People. Ile coodutlett with moving, that
the House pletlir i'sele to take into its serious consideration,
early in the next Session, tie State of the Representation of the
Mr. G. I.astu seconded the motion, iot.l congratulated the

House, certainly the trienti. of Reform, on the question being
brought before the House in this tionn. titrce the question hail
been supported by the lion. baronet and his coadjutors, it had
merely ..markedtime," or if any thing it had rotrograded; but
he trusted that those who were against visionary schemes. but
who were the nal filen& of the 1....0p1e and of Relimn, would
still be successful. He was for extending the elective franchisc ;
for removing the franchise front decayed Boroughs to more po •
pulous places ; and fm shortening the nitration of Parlitunents.
Ile did not complain of being " mud-isespattertAl ;" nor should
he, it. lie could obtain any athantagt b tor the Constitution. There
must N. Itkesi.e strung measures to prevent bribery and corrup-
tion ;—but he tlid nut think that Retorm aa., the gram] pal-arms

somewhich represented it to be. Ile did t•.ot initigine that it
would cure all evils, revent the dearness of proeiaiona, bad has-
slat, and the like; but he deemed Itefunu to be ciscntial.

Air. 6ar 7% t'ta.t. declared that he WOlllll 11411 C. Olibt`lll t. the
'adoption of any tat p until he knew 4841m-11y what it nits
•that the Refuratets auuted i amid he therefute mused us an