The National Register.
London, England, 1819-02-28 00:00:00

MONDAY, Fec. 22.

Mr. Warritatan said, he held in his hand a Petition from
complain; Jig of vexatious arrest and impri►onment.
He wished to slate that he knew notttiug of the Patitioner;
t►c Prtitition had, however, been put into his hand to pie.
sent, and therefore he now moved that it shostid be brought
up. The Petition was hi ought up and teed, and complained
of the hardship the Petitioner bad sustained, in being ar-
rested tinder a warrant of Chief Justice Abbott, and praying
for a repeal of the law which gave thia
.power to the Chief.
Justice.
Oidercd to lie on the table. •

A Message from the Lords infonned• the Htnise, llieir
Lordships had agreed to the Twenty Millings Exchequer
Bills' Bill, and the Bristol (;se-light
Tlw names of the defaulters on Friday's ballot were, on
the Motion of Mr. N'ansittart, celled over, and thu :leveled
Members ordered to otten.i on Mime ballots.
The Chieone‘-sweepers' Regulation Ball was read a third
time, and seat to the Lords.

THE WINDSOR ESTABLPSIIMENT.
Lord CAVILER EACH then snored the Order ut the Dity, for
the House gulag mu a Committer on that part of the hytech
of the Lords Ctmamissioners which related to the Witidsor
Establislimsat. Tin lime lowing accordingly rcoolrod it-

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self into a Qpniwittee, the Noble Lord observed, he should
now procedll to move certain Resolutions tai the subject of
his Majesty's future F./auntieMOM. The more usual way
would have been, perhaps, to have moved fur leave to bring
in a Bill, and then discuss that Bill in its several stages;
but be was desirousthe House should hese the whole subject
before it at one view, and discuss the Resolutions ; which,
it agreed to, he then could move for leave to bring in Bilk
founded upon them. He should move, first, a Resolution for
granting 50,0001. lor his Nlikiesty's Estalilishment ; second, A
Resolution for regulating' the Pensions of her late Majesty's
Servants ; third, A Resolution for a giant of 10,0001. N the
Cnstos of his Majesty's Person ; and, fourth, A Resolution
to make a partial alteration in the mode of superanenetiug
the King's Servants. There would also be a fifth and sick
Resolution, but they would be of subordinate constopieme,
and would merely regard the future payments from the Es:
chewier and other matters of form. The Noble Lord th„,
proceeded to state the several Resolutions and their nbj. rt
to the Committee. With respect to the first resolution,
namely, the 30,0091. for the Windsornent, th;
labours of the Committee Intl much abridged his lahmir be
their Report; they having decided on that sum as a fit tale
fur the Windsor Establishment. 'there was, as far as could
be,a general opinion that the sum was reasonable,. and the
appoitatmeats made with us much economy as retold be dime.
The only point on which there was any difference ass,
whether there Afield be four or six Equerries. Mr. Burke',
Bill had certainly fised the number at four, and be should
now re-argue that question. With respect to the 50.0001,
one thud wonld be taken to keep• lip Windsor as a Royal
Palace, and near one third fur salaries ; and its tact out
more than 16,0001. would he left fir the support of his Ma.
jesty's table and, state, a sum which he trusted would nut be
cousidered as extravagant. Thu second. resolution woula
relate to the salaries and pensions to her late Majesty's
household ; and here the Committee had endeavoured to form
,themselves on the precedents of Queen Caroline, the PlM-
ct'sa Dowager of Wales, and Queen Mary ; and wherever
these eeeld he departed from, without glaring injustice, a
strict attention lied been paid le economy. With respect to
the officers of state, they butt departed froth the precedent
and had reduced their eolith%from 53,0001. to about 18,0001.
thns saving about 7,0001. and the smn SION to be voted for the
sope,zimuation of her late Majesty's servants, was less than
collar otteat, Caroline's or the Princess Dowager% 'hit
third resolution relatc:i to the grant to the Coitus. Upon
this he uuderntuod the Right Nun. Gentleman intended to •
propose an amendment. He eneldesaaHl the Right Hou.
Gentleman did not propose to alter the office of the Custer,
but merely to propose that the allowance to the Cities
should be taken o'tt of the privy purse. This wonld be to
touch that fund as a public foal ; a proposition which, in bus
opinion, could not be defended on any principle of law a
pottier which the Right Hon. Gentleman could tiring forward.
When the office of Custos was considered both as related to
its responsibility, whether looking at it in a public or imitate
point of view,. and its importance, he could not but think it
ought to be !mid as other great official trams wei e, out of the
public purse. lie was now to android with the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that, as in the ease of a private individual,
the Lord Chancellor would have to decide what charge should
be laid on the lunatic's estate, so leas Pal liament in its equity
to decide upon the charge to be made upon his Majesty's pro.
perty ; and further, that in law, justice, and equity, the
House could not apply the unpins of the privy pane, which
was private property, to the payment of a public officer, as
the Custo' was, whether that office was vested in the Queen.
Consort, the Duke of York, or any other individual of high
rank. The Acts of the 39th and 40th of the King had given
to his Majesty the right and et-tenon, over this property, suit
a power to his Majesty to dispose of such private property
by will $ and to put it beyond all doubt what this private
property was, and from what it was to arise, the Bill enu-
merates the purchases niade by his Majesty out of the su:.
plus of his privy purse. And, if any doubt after this couid
have existed, it was set at rest by Parliament, in the Aets of
1811. and 1812 ; when in these Acts, Parliament with the
most scrupulous jealousy, declared the Privy Purse to be
60,0001. and lied up as his Majesty's private property, in the
strictest manner, to be disposed of by his Majesty,either by•
will, or as the private property of any other individual would
be by law disposed of. And at the time they did this, Par-
liament was most careful not to threw any public charge
epee the privy purse. And he had now to contend, that in
the case of the King, the same charges could not he made out
his private property which would be made mettle property
of any individual. He was nut now arguing the case of a
private individual, hut the case of the Sovereign of the
Country, revered and honoured as he wearied ever +avoid be.
The Sovereign at the cominencement of the present • reign,
had a revennewltich would now have produced Iwo millions.
This he gave up fora Anted Civil List and a Privy Pune. All •
his servants were paid out of that Cis it List; and were, in fact,
pnitlic Servants ; and although he had been overtaken by
the lamented malady, under which he now laboured, he was
not less our Sovereign, or less entitled to his summit and
maintenance, and ao the support of his public servants;
and if there was a public Officer at all about the
Royal Person, an Officer of public confidence and
trust—an individual who was to shield our Sovereign and
the Constitution of the country from the machinations of
those who might be induced to invade the rights of either ;
whilst treating on such as subject, he trnsted the Legitlature
wonld not wish to put this individual on the footing of All old
muse attending a sick bed.—Hear, hear I—He hoped the
question would be met manfully and boldly, and Not he ills.
posed of by trimming of votes —Loud cries of Hear ! fi orn
both sides.—No Officer could be mere prominent tlimi the
Guardian of the Ring's Person. But the case had been
sealed up by the Acts of Paaliaosent. The privy purse was
the priyate property of' the Sovereign, and might have been
&mooed of by will.' To establish such a ptecedent as was
. now proposed, would br c wsistent neither with the wisdom
• nor the justice of Pat-Hamra i; as it weut to deprive the KIIIII
of a right possessed by the meaneat of his subjects. He
(Lord C. addressed a Home that Was about to cuinustnee Us
careerof legislation, and to establish its cluttacter.—Hear,
hear !'from all quakes of the House.—And 'would it be-
come a British Parliament to tresspass on the rigbss of their
affifeted and anfortunateMouarch ? During the preesnre of
a protracted war, the property of the foreigner vested in
our funds mumbled unlatched ; and would the House lay
violent hands on the small remnant of the properly of the
King ? lie liaidlY Illiinght the Hight flotiontable
Gentle-
man would have the hardihuud to make the proposition,
or would endeavour to induce the House to accede to is pro-
position that would cover them with infamy. But sheald
he have enuugh of nerve for the purpose. lie ti ested the
House would treat the proposition in the timelier it deserved
F2l himself, he would say, Nolumus term Artpliec mita, ‘I

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..-9efease sitting done he bogged to state, that It was meat
t. the Doke of Yuri to have his name COIIaCCISA Milli
any money ascensions in that
.House. The Duke way ac-
tuated solely by a sense of public duty ; but lie was audio.
ei.e.l to state oa the part of leis Hoye' Highness, that he would
milker directly aior eidirecily accept of any grant front the
private propel ty of kis Majesty. The noble Lined con-
cluded by muting/he first resolusioo, that the stun of 30,0001.
slionid he allowed out of the civil list foe the exreteses of the
Wiudser Establishment.
Mr. TtERNEV said, that he should consider the question
tinder three beads; Ist. the allowance for the Windsor Estab-
lisement ; tie the ellowance foe the servants of the late Queen ;
and 3.1. which was the most impel tant of all, the allowance to
the Duke of York. He hal at first been of opinion, that the
sam of a 9,0001. was much too large for the Witalser Establish-
:ant ; but lied subsequently altered hit opinion, when he un-
derstood that the expletive of Winilenr Castle alone amonnted
to lti or 20,U031. a year. The remainder he did not think too
dry aortal for the care of the King. The country would gp-
kraut him for any little economy by Which a saving of 2 or
sot etl. might be made. There had heels enough of Loyal debates
iii that House, and he was sincerely sorry they lead tiot conic
c a close. It was a matter of extreme regret that the case of
tae Queues Establishment should have come liefuie the Com-
nutter, loft that was probably occasioned by the circumstan-
ces of the case. He bed performed a most implement ditty iu
ea aa asidag the claims of Ladies of high rank, but of slender ,
fortune: the expence had been stated at 25,0001. annually.
lie had felt doubts on the sehject of the male part of the
Establishment, how far they were entitled to the contingence
of their ellowenres , and that point had keen subsequently
given up try the Noble Lord. He was pleased, and he hoped
Cie parties were attune so--( A laugh )—lt lied been said, that
tee female pert ui the establishment shined have their allow-
once. as well as their calories; and length of service lead peen
also pleaded as a grimed ef additional eetutineration ; and the
Committee lied draws a line as well as they could. After the
declaration of the Noble Lord, lie appealed to the justice of
the Heise; and should he succeed, upon the principles of the
Noble Lord, lie would throw infamy upon the House of Cunt
mous. Haase had been told. that if they voted money
front the Privy Purse, the Duke of York woutil tel accept it.
But he would say, that if the House voted money, the proudest
Duke in England might take it. Bid he denied the proposition
that the Privy Purse was the private property of the King.
The money had not been given to the man but to the office,
to support its dignity ; and Parliament had never recognised
guy sum as the private purse of the Sovereign. The AMisters
were responsible for soy salt taken flout the Civil List by the
King; nutter that responsibility the King might have taken
690,0001. as soou as tiel,o3ol. The privy purse we. milieus% n to
the Censtitutioa, to Parlianient, and the Country. The sum at
first taken for that purpose had beetslB,oool. and lied been
siihsequoutly increased to fia,uool. In 1199 the King had per-
' chased the ground on which Kew Palace had been atterwards
1 built, cud then wished to be enabled to male a will. Hence
the Act of Pediatric:lit had originated; hat that Act did wet
recuguate the existence of a privy purse, but only that the
money saved by his Majesty might be disposed of by will. The
visitation of Pruvideece with which the King was &Meted
had altered the whole of the ca,e,iand the whole of his private
property was sacred by the law. When the King was first
taken ill, hopes had been coterie:reed of a speeds recovery,
and an arrangement had been wale respecting the privy
purse. But where was the need of any arratigenieut hail the
miry purse keen regarded as the private property W. the
emeteige? When tic hopes tit the King's recovery had ceased
a new arrangement lied been funned by the 3 hid of the King.
'that was the principal Act, and would satisfy the House diet
what he proposed had been recognised by three branches of
the Legislature. Three C.oiataissioneie kid beets appointed.
in %them the management of the King's permed property
lied been he/tided. These Conuniesiosiers tuck all oath of
secrecy ou the eubject et' the property, from which they were
only released by eremit; into a Court of Law in defence of the
property. They were hound to disclose nothing, even in
consequence of an Ostler of the House. By the 39t4 and
toth of the King, the private propene had been accurately
delisted; but the privy purse was not property in the saute
saute. The priry purse was charged with two payments,
au annual payment of 15,000/. and a monthly one of .1,20014
limb), the 52d of the King the monthly payment had been
raked to 1,91)1)1. and the same Art had declared it to be rea-
emehle that the expenses of the medical attendance should
Le paid out of the pt ivy purse. So the it would appear to he
reasonable to burthen the privy purse with some pert of the
charge; and infistuous,accordieg to the Noble Lord, to burthen
.t unit another part.—Hear, lear.-31itaisteis had made the
savings under the Act of the 31st available by the .let of
the :ad; and then NAY certainly a strong. measure. By the
words of tho Act, die Cominissioners, who bed the mintage-
meet of the King's private property, had no power over the
privy pulse. The House had the power to take even the
expense of the Windsor Estalvlishinent out of the privy purse;
but lie lied no intention to make any proposition of that sa-
tire, But ?flimsier& wad, Endeavour to make tip a purse tnr
told knows whom. Another privy purse of 1)2,0001. lied
been assigned to the Prince Regent, and vas too, to use re.
puttied as sacred; for it Was as much the property of the
King as the first, the appointment of a Cisme. was a
fair charge upon the privy pulse. A count of equity
!'" pus sue the seine course that he was endeevour nig to
Impress upon the House, and the necessary charges wooed be
Morro from the property of the huratic—No Juan! from the
Ilunsterial side.--Well, then, (comities:Ll Mr. 1..) all are
44reed: and the Amendment is gaged 'nett Amendment
Car, that the surplus arising from the Ditchy of Lancaster
AIR/ truism lbw Privy Purse should be appliedt o defray the
espence of the care of the Royal Person. He agreed with
the Noble Lord, that the character of the new Parliament
'mild depend epee the Vote of that night. it was the dusty
of every Maki, ill the present state of the country, to save all
the money he could to the Public, and here a saying might
he made In the amount or 10,0001. a year s and he should
continue to think that GUM would be 'laved, till lee found
sell in the minority. He thought the Noble Lord had been
under the necessity of niatiug such a proposal, contrary to
lug cwt good good sense. Of the grant itself lie should say
robing, and bed edupted the present as a middle course.—
lee high elmracter of the Royal Family would he hurt by the
einaluct of Ministers, who had 'Oll a furtlier Ueraplull made e
throated of 12,0001. for the Royal Dukes, and been then glad 1
to 6,0001. A bad lomat lied here made fur time bounty
I lire euuutry. 'llse Prince Regent had 70,0001. per au ttttt
tie,teml. as niece of Wales, and 17 ,1)1)01. as Duke rte
'""vusit. Out ur e inch, 50,0001. eas set aside fur payment
boa oleo's, and 22,0001, to sue Princess of Wales. It was
mu most impolitic to insult the feelings of a wit dialed
"PIP. 'lice Right Hon. Bent. concluded by moving the
sabring which he had twilit:lly stated, of applying the