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occasions when Ministers were required by their office to
give large dinners. The Foreign Minister, for instance,
was obliged to give a large dinner on the birthday of the
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These rooms would also be useful for public purposes at
other times of the year. However, he thought it was but
reasonable that the house should have further opportunity
of consideration before a plan of considerable magnitude
was adopted ; that the Government should take Parliament
into partnership, and that they should have a limited lia-
bility in the responsibility. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.)
He was quite ready to take 30,0001. to secure the land that
it was essential to purchase at once, and 10,0001. to cover
such incidental repairs and temporary arrangements as
were necessary for the public service. When Parliament
met next session a committee should be appointed to con-
sider the plan.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 9,0001. for the expenses of the Irish census was
agreed to.
On the vote of 52,0001. for the expenses of medals dis-
tributed to soldiers who had served in the Crimea,
Mr. STAFFORD wished to know what steps had been
taken for the speedy distribution of these medals, which
had been so long delayed ? He thought the cost of the
medals was much larger than might have been anticipated.
Mr. WILSON said he would answer the question of the
hon. gentleman upon a future occasion.
Captain SCOBELL hoped that the new order of merit
would include all grades in the army and navy, and would
be confined to the two services.
The vote was agreed to.
68,1311. was voted as compensation under the United
States mixed commission.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
17,0001. for the relief of distressed British seamen abroad.
3,0001. for defraying the expenses of a gallery of art in
Dublin.
If On the vote of 9,927/. for the expenses of the Metropoli-
tan Interment Acts,
Mr. PELLATT called attention to the want of new
burial grounds, in lieu of those which had been closed.
Mr. BLACKBURN saw no reason why the expenses of
a local act should be paid out of the national revenue.
Mr. WILSON said the house was responsible for the
expenses of the machinery it had put in motion.
Lord PALMERSTON said the expenses had been in-
curred in closing burial grounds within the metropolis—a
proceeding which had entailed considerable cost upon the
various parishes.
The vote was then agreed to.
5,0001. was voted for the completion of the new galleries
of art in Edinburgh.
On the vote for 40,0001. to promote civilisation and edu-
cation among the natives of South Africa,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to the vote, on the ground
that it was not fair to tax the people of England for such a
purpose.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said the vote was an experi-
ment, and its object was to endeavour, at a small expense,
to put an end to Kafir wars atd our vast military expendi-
ture in connection with South Africa. The last Kafir war
cost about one million per annum, and our annual military
expenditure amounted to between 400,0001. and 500,0001.
The vote had been suggested by Sir G. Grey, the governor
of the colony, and it was of the utmost importance that
the experiment should be fairly tried.
Mr. HINDLEY had no hope that the experiment would
be attended with success, unless the English colonists treated
the natives much better than they had hitherto done.
Captain SCOBELL was convinced that the 40,0001. was
necessary, but thought the colonies should bear a due share
of the burden. They should at least pay one-third of the
money.
Mr. R. PHILLIMORE supported the vote.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the defence of the Caps fron-
tiers should be entrusted to the colonists themselves.
Mr. OTWAY moved that the chairman report progress,
for the purpose of complaining of Mr. Wilson having passed
the vote for the National Gallery in the forenoon sitting in
the face of an arrangement that it should be taken at six
o'clock in the evening.
Mr. WILSON stated that the vote was taken, not in the
forenoon sitting, but after six o'clock.
Mr. OTWAY said that, having been desirous of making
some remarks upon the vote, he attended in his place at
six o'clock, when he certainly did not hear the vote read
from the chair.
Mr. WILSON remarked that he called particular atten-
tion to the vote by stating that it, had been deferred from
a former sitting of the house.
The motion for reporting progress was then withdrawn,
and the vote agreed to.
On the vote of 5,8001. for the purchase of ground with
the view of providing an improved entrance from Pall-mall
to the Green-park,
Dr. MICHELL objected to the vote, thinking the ex-
penditure ought to have been provided for in the Metropo-
litan lioard. of Works Bill. The house bad already voted
too much money for the adornment of the metropolis.
Mr. CUBITT defended the vote, which was agreed to.
3,0001. was voted to defray a portion of the expenses
of the new bridge at Inverness.
On the vote of 11,0001. for the purchase of the remain-
ing term of the lease of Buckingham House, Pall-mall,
Mr. BANKES said he thought this expenditure was a
great loss to the public, and asked whether it was intended
to adapt the house to the public service, and also whether
it was intended to be permanent ?
Lord PALMERSTON said this vote was intended as a
step towards the accomplishment of the design of having all
the offices of the War Department as near each other as
possible, it being impossible to have them all under one
roof. This came of the recent consolidation of the War
Departments under the Secretary of State for War. Great
inconvenience was caused by some of those offices being at
Woolwich, and it would be of great advantage to the pub-
lic service to bring them within reach of th chief of the
department to which they belonged. No doubt the site
was an expensive one, but then offices must be got in the
quarter of the town in which Buckingham House was.
Should any future arrangements bo made which would
leave Buckingham House at their disposal, it would of
course be possible for the house to take what course they
pleased with respect to it.
In answer to Mr. WILLIAMS,
Mr. WILSON said that there were 30 years of the
lease unexpired.
The vote was agreed to.
A vote of 3,7181. was agreed to for the balance due for
the erection of bridges at Windsor.
On the vote of 10,0001. to the discoverers of the north-
west passage,
Mr. OTWAY proposed that it should be distinctly
stated that one-half the money was for Captain M'Clure,
and the other half for the officers and crew of the ship
Investigator.
Captain SCOBELL said the feeling of the committee
(of which he was a member) was that a reward should be
given to every wan, even to the foreigners, connected with
the successful expedition. One half the money was ad-
vised to be given to Captain M'Clure, because it was to
his consummate skill and judgment, displayed during a
period of some years, that the expedition owed its safety.
Mr. F. SCULLY wished to know why Captain M'Clure
had not already received the promised reward of 20,0001.
for the discovery of the north-west passage ?
Mr. BUT l', having passed a panegyric on Captain
M'Clure for his invaluable services, said the reward of
20,0001. was offered before any part of the Arctic regions
was discovered. Then the reward stipulated for the dis-
covery ship being brought through, and Captain M'Clure
had not only not brought his ship through, but he had de-
monstrated, in his (Mr, Butt's) opinion, that no ship ever
could be brought through. (A laugh.)
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote of 800/.
for the erection, at Greenwich, of a m9nument to Sir John
Franklin and the officers and men who perished with him.

SUPPLEMENTARY NAVAL ESTIMATES.
Sir C. WOOD then rose to propose the supplementary
naval estimates for the present year. The items of which
those estimates were composed consisted, with one excep-
tion, of additions to expenditure entirely caused by de-
mands produced by the war in which the country was en-
gaged. The first of those additions related to the stock in
hand in the different yards, which was falling short, and
which it was desirable to keep up to a proper amount. In
like manner it was absolutely necessary to provide some
means by which her Majesty's ships engaged in the Black
Sea might receive at Constantinople the repairs of which
they stood in need, and it was, therefore, proposed (as we
understood) to station some naval artificers there for the
present. The second head was that of naval stores. The
principal demand was for copper and for hemp. Our de-
mand for hemp had hitherto been supplied by Russia, but
ha was happy to say that other sources were now open to
us, which promised to be extremely good hereafter, and
which would, at any rate, compete with the supplies from
Russia. (Hear.) The Italian seed had been found of very
good quality, and Government had latterly been offered a
supply from Hungary, and it was thought desirable that
the area from which the supply was brought should be
as large as possible. The item for standing contracts was
the last head in the estimates. The house would easily con-
ceive that they had at present an increased demand for
articles of various descriptions. The expenditure upon
anchors, for instance, was greater during the last three
months than it was for the six months ending September
last. As to the medical stores, the greater part of the
vote had been expended in providing beds and other
fittings for the hospitals. The sum now asked for might
appear to some excessive, but it had been judged better to
ask a sum which would be sure to be on the safe cide.
There was also a small sum asked to be given as a reward
to certain seamen for the capture of a small vessel. Ona
large item, it would be seen, was for the building of addi-
tional gunboats During the last year the right hon. gentle-
men who preceded him in office (Sir J. Graham) builf, no
less than six of those gunboats of a very large description,
which had since been employed to the very beat advan-
tage in the capture of Kertch, and on various other oc-
casions in the Black Sea. The construction of vessels of
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water and carrying large numbers of men , • and it was his
opinion, that in all future warfare they
would occupy a much greater place than heretofore. They
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On the vote of 10,0001. for wages to
additional artificers
to be employed in her Majesty's naval• establishments at
home,
Mr. FRENCH had no wish to offer any objection to this
vote, but he wanted to know why the servics of •
science
were not more called into request for the purposes
war. There were for instance the plansof Lord Dundonald ofthis
which he could not help feeling had be en neglected to the
great injury of the country. These plans had been sub-
mitted to Sir Charles Napier, who had since pledged
that they would accomplish all that the noble lord wished
to undertake. Well, now, what was it that the noble lord
was prepared to do ? Why, it was to destroy all the Rus-
sian fortresses in the Baltic if the Government would only
advance him 200,0001. for the purpose. The country never
would consider the Government in earnest about the war
so long as they neglected such desirable plans as these.
Sir G. PECHELL understood that the plans of Lord
Dundonald would be more dangerous to persons using them
than the enemy against whom they might be brought to
bear. He did not, however, object to the use of gunboats,
but the admirals in command should be cautious not to
allow them to get into action, except under the cover of
larger ships.
Capt. SCOBELL wished to offer a few opinions upon the_o
manner of carrying on the war in a naval point of view. S
long as we had the command of the sea ultimate success
must be certain and therefore it was of the utmost impor-
tance that the right ships should be in the right place. The
class of ships we had sent to the Baltic were too large for
the sea; they were more adapted to the Black Sea than
the Baltic ; and he was not sorry to hear that we
were about to resort to the use of gun-boats of small draft
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Yet hoped to see something decisive accomplished
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