The Sun.
London, England, 1855-03-14 00:00:00

IRE LAND.

Mr. J. BALL then rose to move that it is expedient
that more effectual means should be adoptee to improve
the education of pauper children in Ireland After point-
ing out the great numbers of children that were at pre-
sent inmates of the Irish workhouses, he complained of
the low salaries that were given to their schoolniaiters,
of allowing them to mix with bad characters among
the adult inmates, and of the paucity of industrial edu-
cation. He dwelt also upon the fact that both Catholic
and Protestant children were in some cases left without
teachers of their own persuasion, and though he ad-
mitted that no rule could be laud down on this question,
he hoped the Government would be prepared to apply
some remedy to the evil. The hon. gentleman had pro-
ceeded for some time in his address, when an hon. mem-
ber moved that the house be counted, but forty mem-
bers were found to -be present, and the hon. getleman
proceeded, and urged that larger salaries should be
given to the pauper teachers, with a view to secure a
higher class of instruction.
Mr. BOWYER seconded the motion.

Mr. T. KENNEDY supported the motion, and at the
same time urged upon the Government the necessity of
making better provision for the teachers of the National
school:

Mr. HORSMAN c rdially concurred in the objects
of the resoluti,m. The root of the evil lay in the defi-
ciency of the law, which did not compel the poor-law
guardians to provide adequate means of education ; for
many parishes, however, the guardians ha-I, of their own
accord, instituted a superior system of education in their
schools. He thought it would be unwise in Government
to check these local exertions by a national grant, but
he could assure his hon. friend that the Government
would not lose sight of the question, and that they. would,
by every possible means, give their support to an ex-
tended, improved, and unsectarian system of education.
He hoped his hon. friend would withdraw his motion.
The discussion was continued by Mr Burke Roche,
Mr.. Seymour Fitzgerald, Mr. Scully, &c., after which,
Mr. BALL replied, refusing to withdraw his motion,
as he contended that Ireland should be put upon the
same footing with other parts of the country as to the
reciipt of public money.
Lord PALMERSTON—The hon. gentleman speaks
of equality between England and Ireland. Now, let us
see how the account stands. Let us take Irelaiid first,
and see what sums are paid for her out of the public re-
♦enue • •
Irish constabulary £650,000
A.asiQtatit banister.,
Expenses of prosecutions
Crown solicitors

£750,000
Showing a total for Ireland of 750,0001. per year. Now,
let us see how the English side of the account stands :
Expenses of prosecutions '£250,000
Education in woiknotues 22,000
half of medical expenses 90,000

• X 352,006
Making 362,000/., as compared with 750,0001. in Ire-
land. (Laughter and cheers.)
Mr. F. FRENCH—What about the judges of the
county courts in England

Loil PALMERSTON—Thoy are paid by fees.
(Cheers.)
Colonel DUNNE would delay expressing his opinion
fully until they came to the civil estimates, when he
would do so, and he would show that England had much
more than her share. There, for instance, was the build-
ing of this house. (Laughter.)
Mr. FRENCH—There was the educational grants for
England. He hoped the hon. gentleman would not shrink
from pressing this matter to a division. He hoped the
Irish members would stand together whether the Go-
♦ernment liked it or not.-

Mr. GROGAN must say the speech of the noble lord
at the-head of the Government was the most extraordi-
nary and unjust speech he had ever heard in that house
froin'a Minister of the Crown. The speech 'of the noble
lord clearly proved that Ireland was most unjustly
treated, for the agreement at tie time of the Union wai
that Ireland should bear only the 2-17t'is of the national
burdens. (Hear.)
Mr. WILSON—The county court judges were not
paid out of the consolidated fund, but out of fees derived
from the eourt.

Mr. FRENCH—And what is done with the fees in
the assistant-barristers' courts in Ireland ? They go to
the Crown.

Tha house then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 32
Against it BO —4B
The motion was conseqUently lost.
VACATING SEATS IN PARLIAMENT.

Mr. WRIGHTSON moved for leave to bring in a bill
to alter and amend the Act 6 Anne, c. 7, so far as re-
lates to vacating seats in Parliament on the acceptance
of office. • _ _

Mr. FRENCH—If the Government thought such a
measure as this necessary, why did they not take charge
of it ? (Hear.)
Mr. HENLEY did not see that any good would re-
sult from the measure.
Mr. WALPOLE thought ►his would bo a fitting time
for the Government to consider the state of the law witk
reference to offices generally, and how far office should
operate as an exclusion from or cessation of Parliamen-
tary representation.
Lord PALMERSTON said the bill would be con-
sidered by the Government at a future stage.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill.
METROPOLIS COMMUNICATIONS.

Mr. JACKSON moved for the appointment of a
select committee to inquire into the state and condition
of the several communications to and in the metropolis,
including the bridges over the Thames and the ap-
proaches thereto ; to report whether the communica-
tions and approaches are adequate to the present and
increasing traffic to and in the metropolis, if not, the
best mode of improving the same; and whether it will be
desirable to have one or more bridges over the Thames,
and the best mode, out of local funds, of providing the
cost of such bridges; and of improving the said communi-
cations and approaches, and throwiug open to the public
the toll-pitying bridges.
Agreed to.
Mr. BROWN was about to move for certain returns
connected with the Belfast corporation, but being op-
posed, did not press his motion for the present.
Lord PALMERSTON told the hon. gentleman that
it casks wasusual to lay some Parliamentary ground for
the return; mid to state for what purpose it was needed.
Mr. BROWN would state his ground if the noble
lord liked.
Lord PA.LMERSTON—When you move for it again
will do.

PUBLIC PROSECUTORS BILL.
Mr. PHILLIMORE would not then press the second
reading of this bill.
PRICE'S INDEMNITY BILL.
Mr. WALPOLE objected to the second reading of
this bill now as it was not yet printed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con-
sented to postpone it to Friday next.
The house rose at a quarter-past 11 o'clock.

Mr. Williams was shut gut in the division on Mr.
Hoywood's motion.

SYMPATHY WITH THE POLES.—Writing to the Mayor
of Bath, expressing his willingness to present to the
House of Lards the petition adopted by the meeting
lately held in that city to express sympathy with Poland,
the Earl of Shaftesbury says : " The partition of Poland
was an enormous crime and an enormous fcdly ; the
restoration of it is demanded alike by sense! and justice.
But, whatever be the views and feelings of single indi-
viduals or masses of men, the time has not yet arrived
fur governments to interpose. We must rest content
for the present with the - oxpresaion of national sympa-
thies." _