The National Register.
London, England, 1823-02-23 00:00:00

Mr. PELL replied, that one very material alteration had
taken place—no ado., bad been granted since the resolution
of the below.
ORDNANCE DEPARTMENL—Mr. HUME rose to bring for-
ward his motion respeoing the Lieutenant-General of the
Ordnance. The military commission had been extremely well
appointed, and the reports that Beard had made ineritirdetten-
eion—they were made i• 1511. They examined the several
departments of the Ordnance-office, and slated, that within the
last few year% the salaries of the several offine.s had been con-
oiderably increased, in general one third and ape ards. The
duties of the several officers were next examined, and it war
found that many of theta were neglected. The Surveyor G -
nerd and the Clerk of the Deliveries we longer pettier.. ed hte
autles which originally belonged to them. The Comtuu.sioners
recommended that there shoald be a Board, as wort toe wise ..t
:the Admiralty, &r. They then particularly enquired as to Co
duties of the Lieutenant-Peneral i and it was friend tb..t snub
olieer bad no duty. 'sculpt attending the Board,•ibuultl the

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Pilaster-General not be absent. There lied been no alter.u•is
-of the offices. The opinions of the reports were clear enough,
recommending the suppression of the offices isfolieutenant-ge-
-metal and his two clerks. It was reenarkable4bat the viten!'

Master-General had been absent three or fourteenths end that
there was no Lieutenant-General, The reports were against
the contiottance of the office, as fornaisg Ito essential part of
the Board. His complaint was, that scarcely any of the re-
,ementendations of the commission had been carried into *Got,
end thelsestimenow was, whether there should be Eve coot-
missistrers *ben few were deemed 'memory 1 Were more
-eoinmissioisers wanted here them wave required for the navy ?
:/f 'the vote respecting the two extreLords of the Admiralty
last Sesrion were right, his presmst complaint would be sup.
ported. The Navy Commissioners cost 40001. while the Ord-
velum Board east 09501. -If the Lieutenant General of the
Drdoance had bees redeeei, the-salary of Li9ol would have
been saved; so that the difference between the expense of the
we Boards woeld have been not ao great. After the promises
-of the King's Speech, and the recommendations of the Re-
ports, it was en insult to tbevParliasnent and the People to
;wake this appointment width' St hours of the meeting ol• that
House—.( Cita. the House were in earnest in desiring
that no expenditure should be eat:enraged, except what was
reprisite to the digailyaed service of the country, they would
support Isis motion.—lt was Ibe most extravagant establish-
meat—the Irish establishments excepted. and it might to be
out down. Mr. Crewe, the Secretary, fur instance. bad
1;500I. a yesr, and a house that cost 1,2001. a year. He did
nut blame Mr.-Crewe ; be was right in getting as much as he
amid—but they were to blame why gave it. Other abuses:
were, -that individuals were appointed to this Department, and
sent to Madrid and oilier places. There were injustices to the
smisinlry-; but there wss no departtneut that required so-much
hilskiag after so the Ordnance Department. lie alms oow-
plained of the two Establishments at Pall-Mall and the Tower ;
they oaght to be brought under one head ; for persons had been
paid .` travelling expenses" to go from one office to the other,
and twelve or fourteeu clerks to carry on a correspondence
between the two offices. ( Hear! ) There was so end of the
multiplication of expenses. The recommendations of the
Reports had been wholly neglected. It was necessary, in his
of 'on, for the /louse to express a decided opinion on the
subject ; lie therefore moved that the appointment of Lord
Bereaford, hs time of pease, was incentistem with the reeens •
meudations of the Commissioners of Euquiry, at variance with
the professions of economy, and made without due regard to
the situation of the country.—(Lard cheers.)

Mr. WARD replied, contending that the hon. member hal
misrepresented the Report; that the Commissioners of Inquiry,
in their Report, had misrepresented the evidence on which they
proeeeded (hear); and that the alterations in the Board recently
lisd rendered further changes uni.eciewary. The right hon. gent.
(Mr. Ward) gave his strong and decided negativt to the motion.
Mr. W 11.1.1 A MS, of Lincoln, strongly supported the motion.
Mr. CANNING contended, that all the sta:ements of the
bon. nieinber were unfounded and erroneous.

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Mr. JAMES MACDONALD suggested, that the limper
mode of proceeding would be to appoint a committee to inquire
into the propi iety of abolishing this office. and the‘bon. member
pmpcsed Me an amendment to the wows.