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. • initWas consistent with the present tuotif N. for sup.
resin/fit *ere granted, and a list of:the witnesses
dehiered, how wotilil it be possible to make use
of it to learn any thins of their chaiscter, even
before -She 17tIc August. at which time the proceed-
ings were to be continued? He -must consider,
therefore. that that was not the reason which
ed the present motion, but that -it wits made for
popular eficet.—(Hear, firer.)—Was it nut neces-
sary. he wronlrl ask, to .bring the witurines in the
bat of their Lititlatiqsa
dated ? They should know, in the first instance.
what the testimony ea'—she's' should have it on
recard, and afterward% if her Mptiestu wit. Ito advi...
.
ed. she might !Five an opporti 1111 l y stfordel of in-
trealsgating sold' impeaching- the chsracier of the
asituesses. The Noble Lord concluded by sorting,
that he was for adhering to the ;practice of Parlia-
ment, and to the spirit of the common law, from
which the further the House departed, the morr
they would recede from the principles of inillartial
justice.

Lord HuLf.allb mirk he did not exactly know
when the Noble Lard lEllettivorough) mentr.rned
the present motion as belfry. brought lorward With a
view to popular etrect,.-if he alluded to "1- elf or
the illuststaus personage: iir-tife latter vase, he
could •not envy him Inscharrtahle feelings for im-
• puling% lesntirres which he could pot proove•to anyone
under so graVe q.charge.. '.."••
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH said it would he rnliielv
iticonsisterit with that respect Which he had for the
character of the Noble' Lord to have.imputed to
horn the bringing forward. this rprerdirrit on the
grounds of popular glamour; lie alluded only to the
general feeling which prevailed•out of tiorspiathe
'object. • . • .
-Lord Hott.Atio expressed himself satisfied,aith
the explanation of the Noble Lord.
The Mattisio of MUTE agreed with his Nei &e
Friend, that their Stella in the present instance
ought not to be. measured by any preceding ease
whatever. Fle•diol not see that her Majesty's object
in .praying the House to proceed within 14 hours,
was at all contradicted b hir the -list of
witnesses. as her Nlajesty ;roust be acquainted (by
name st least) with most of them, and iiterefore on
a bare inspection of it -much might Air. learned.
By the law of Scoothind her Moksty wool entitled,
as of right, to a list nf.witriesses;.-awl there was U.
person in that Part .of the kingdom but would look
on the denial of it as a great iirjustice.- He had no
doubt that a list of some sort would he formedjund
he put it to the Noll! Lotdr. whether it were not
better that a perfect list should .Ire furnished at
once. For these reasons he should vote in favour
of the Nobles Lord's motion. •'

Lord BEiditalfitts supported the nwltton, nod ob-
served, he wan surprised to hear the Noble Lord
speak so lightly of the people by whose exertions
the dangers which had threatened the country were
successfully resisted.
Lord E t.t.ss ammo c explained.
The Earl of CAam A lIIION begged of Nolte Lords
to refer to the Bill which lay on their Wile, end al-
though it had proceeded au far, he would defy tiny
one to say they understood it. Referring to that part
of the Bill which charged her Majesty with her inti-
macy with Peugami, and having procured foreign order, of
honour fur him, he sigma ask, without meaning to.pay any
dekseace tr. popular clamour, if these contained any matter
of charge? Was there any thing in them fit to bring for-
ward its a Court of Law? Was it not arraigning all the
Sovereigns of Europe who had granted the distinctions al.
holed to ? lit abort, looking through the whole of the Bill,
he could find nothing of a criminatory nature except that
which was (tantalised in She words, "and carried on an viol.
Serous intercourse." Ile put it to Ministers to say, whether
they intended that as a distinct and specific charge of adol-
term ? Was it out similar to the phrase of " beasnuable
practices," on which charge he wished ter he iofnrmed if
any moo cont.! be convicted of treason ? If the Hill did not
charge adultery, awl yet operated a divorce, it was con-
trary to justice, and inconsistent with the religion they
professed, which sanesioned no divorce except founded
usi adultery. When the Hill was perceives! to be no com-
pletely confused would it not lead people In think that tlwre
was really iso substantive charge, and the design was to effect
a purpose by some constructive interpretation ; and if some.
thing more distinct were not given Is. which her Majesty
might reply, neither the 'oolitic nor the House would or ought
to be satisfied. Here was a deal of v.seite matter, charges
insinuated rather than preferred ; but in the state the not
was now left it was to give the 'censer every advantage and
facility that was possible.
The Earl of Lauurinamt said be was adverse to the mo:
lion of his Noble Friend, because he thought it might de-
feat the ends of justice. Ilia Noble Friend called upon
• them to grant a list or the witnesses, irserving the riglo of
calling when not included iu that list. Now lie would pot
the case, that a list was given in *lnch were the IMMO, of
persons nut intended it, he called, and not to he found, lime
would be taken up in the inquiry after thesis ;and afterward.,
snider the right reserved. the real witnesses might be brought
forward, and slots a positive injury would lie worked; be-
sides, dial they nut thereby give opportunity of tampering
wish and awing those witnesses; a ithout oily thing farther
of that sort, the Noble Lord thonglit our national character
would already collie in tle estimation of the world. It
was distinctly upon the ground that the ends of justice might
be defeated by is, that hr felt averse to the motion.

Lurd ERatitxr replieol, and observed that the Noble
Lord (Ellenboinnigio) hail said be was prepared Is. giant all
that had ever been given in similar cases; but slid the Noble
Lord know of a similar case ? Did he know of any case in
chilli the party accused had been absent for years, and
passing from one foreign country to another? Al to Dills
of l'amy and Penalties, • oat of lei west sent from the
Iluuse of Common., and then the witnesses were known to
the accused friim the preceding proceedings. The an.
Sire, that had been given to his argument donut fount
the oinattnwitt of William 111. he was quite shocked to hear.
That the Act had been in abeyance till the tone of lord
Gesirge Giulio., when verdicts were unjust ur oblation:l- by
popular el intone, he insert deny.--(rreere,)-,..1te urm had
✓end any foreign wink on English jsorisprsidence in which
that Act %mai nut 1•1:11%1•41. Against this stmore, of whid,
experience hail been hail of one hundred and twenty yearn,
they had the opinion of one rnisne Judge (Foster),
a respectable 'mine lie would acknowledge, but certainly
nut of sufficient authority in this case. It was al•iu
said that this was u Tiny Art. It might be 1144 and it
only reeved to 1011 v ince bibles Iliat there was sin animal which
Dud had erentsal lint what aas of some kind of use.aris
(A /ouroh )—Tln re bail hoe's n talk of ptomains. clamour, hist
of that he thought ill. re *ma noise; but a considerable,.
deal. of popular feeling, and the only way to abate that
was, by rendering juatire. Unsimilotesily their Lordships
'itsiflit 'skirt his U,,,,, fur they were supra me, hut the y
nlsght not to reject is biennw they were inst.
The gyration was then put, whets their lordships divided—
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Nun-Contents
• Majority against the niution LO
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beret inetctiotied•
'With respect ;
illicit distillation,
pra4 that the :
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!spew of the Govern t, roil wily it out oi
Ithe particalat distsriet.. 14 mar farther proposed to
Rive any person, orNalever a poem! of seizing an-
liceneed Milli, the reward ,for mach minim to be
levied off the courtly, mai the amount to be•amemegl
by the Grand .Pary, subject to the revision of the
Judges. -Pbe Right Hsinourable Gentleman throe
moved— , .
That leave. be given to die Chairman of the ComMiltre
to bring is' a Bill fur rollectiug slid eccentric the duties psy-
chic by nide eseredinglue `.lions.
"„lrite quest having been put,
Sir J. N EwroitT, expressed his opinion that sortie
of the mearstrei Proposed would, if properly env.
ruled, improve she revenue of the cuusitry very
much. Ile thought that spirits should pe ware-
housed in plaCei belonging „to Government, mid any step In s•'_
pmt the property of any inclividUids. He was quite los Flom. Friend .wild Mew
certain, that whatever the Bight Hon. Ggiltleman action" to which he had sdiudesti•
could do to check illicit distillation, would work General Haat said that .fee'lisil, oirli r•ttGeirwi the
tie greatest benefit to the errantry. He should inwlatstrellatilloisit rretwapinecrt:tig!s.itthieeielfrimtnnt,
rye:api::.:l;:vy,
,i!ele.enr:s-i.
wish to see the-'general estahltiihment of breweries I
through the 'country encouraged —( Hear, —that ~who had been stint. With .asp ect io the taller case,
the people might he led to the consumptiou of malt he said that au ElCaat officer hail tweet •tried at the
liquor instead of spoilt. He believed that ample. kit Atwitter for the comity of Conran, fur mr4iiiii,l-
- of Ireland were frequently 'dogrel' to drink rips. ing a use.,, stied convicted awl sentenced Its (1,;i1,
rib, and to the illicit immideciere of it. from the the Grand Jury. from * Eeriest's of liumintity; lowa
absolute want of any other accessible beverage; to application, which was tresrinotted etettoitated
and he was persuaded, that the genera 'somatic:deo, .i.ieutessaint, that his pitssidinsecit of death might be
of breweries would have a moat beneficial effect.am commuted to trenapurtstion. hut Moored of t {'rim.
the habits and morals of-the country. - !mutation for puitichoient, the Intin d receive eiti.4-
. .
Mr. CniCassTsa said, that he had *eked with solute pardon.
great patience for the promised measures of the NI r. Ga4.6e replied, that will respert•fo Ors first
Right Hon. Geniiaim,. aid he was sorry that they • case, lee haul IllelltiOnird to hie gallant Friend tii..43,
had lint at all answered 'the expectations of timer that he hides vet received no °Meta itifirmatsult
who had formed Amur ideas oil the subject. One of in relation to it. He certainly "steeled officiaLio.
Noe Right Hon. Gentlemen's regolutimis was, that format on the subject, because he hod iii.,,mj of
no small still should be act up within twenty Miles the den rictiou Pram another gentleuisii ;:hut be
of a large one. This he conceived would out, con- had tito doubt that an explanation of the rirren• .
finis that monopoly already enjoyed by the large ateliers wool', le given. With reelect to the to,t,r
distillers. He believed the invesition of M. Pot- officer, he believed that his Hon. Friend alcdeil
linger completely am tried its object, and that it 10 Middleton, yeti() had been tried and corseted
. would effectually prevent the email doodler from three or' four years brims-of in usssuft. On 'ilknianufacturing more spirits them the quantity for la's occasion, Its had beet, tried under Lord Pitehi.
.•
which he accounted to the revenue ; but ahy,,be lioroueler Act, fur dote a loan (the inrsori
asked, was the application of it to be limited to the wetted,' killed), convittell, anti sentenced to die'
small distiller ? Was it•tiot •as desirable that the The Grand Jury reconiiiirooled a cuctiointshen c 4.
extensive manufacturer should be prohibited from pelnisliment. The Lord Lieutenant . referred tie'
practising any fraud on the revenue as the minor case to the Lord Chancellor, the Lost! Chiefjoas
one ? Then the Right Hon. Gentleman would lire, •••tl she Atturney.Gettersl; and by the edv:ce
nut permit the small stills to make more than too of these three high and Ironed intlisidn.A., it par-
thousand gallons of spirits in "the year ; but who don was granted blur. lie only regretted that the
did he expect would embark in such a confined willow Genera had not emeeiti ssss tot the eireimistattei
bossiness, where the profits of the trade would ina three nomad ago, tedium Oleo "II the papers might
pay the interest of the capital necessary to be em. be 'produced on witidi the iserthm 11.4 d beet' fouoall
',toyed ? • Again, he must sty, that hr woes utterly rd ; but at that late period of the Session, rni.vinit
disappointed, and that he had never in hi. life heard for papers was • tuockely. The Hon. detiileMice
ally thing mere absurd than the plan !imposed. might select what pipers he thought proper from
Ito" Ace, an : the rest necessary to rlucialste Ord
Mr. C. HUTatillaSoN professed himself obliged
subject ',hoar' he furnieliedto him in Dulullis.
'ln the Right Hoes. Gentleman fur his explanation.
He should refrain, for the present. from offering General Fleet declared hitneelf quite .sarisfied
any opinion on the Bolls; but it war hut to be in- that the advice given Hy the three lesrit-il inili v.-
, ferred, hominy silence, that he understood or up- duals alluded to had proceeded from the purest
proved of them. 'rite Right Hon. Gentleman had 'mama.
taken on himself a very laudable, but a very dilti-
riieltri.tl Ctliitekili.coiwitiesinu'lliencleorifiminsil;rrentliscoi inig It'll:. s laiii“.l;.-
period or the
Sepesesnciodtle.l,;..r the. S efis:.tot.: !
' colt task--the general_regulailuti or the volt me-
nufecture in Ireland. stud the recusicileuieut of the ject at so hoe a
different interests connected therewith its behold
hadC:onnier:lntipoAnglil'imaltdo.taltihiltunteht: with one ausither, and with thous of &Woad, fie
per The s.,itabeNCE.l..L.O. It If the
. was quite
sincerely hoped that he should succeed, for lie as. ,•,__
at t spirit in which hot proposition for the eats'. lured him that lie would probably lied it a snare
difficult task than he imagined. The Hon. Mem- Widws' or snit stilts hail hems fecritcai sivrea•vo rap., .
her, for instance, opposite (Mr. Chichester), had ex- representations bed bees made to him front 1'048440t' the
pressed himself dissatisfied with the Bill perinittiorg c•imslicse, at such a aleasore. With men. gi is the lone..
the ertablialiment amid' Mills, which ~old bin% lieue Prue's"' "tt *hit held, ity.klut lb/melts it ritslit to. 5,...
traduce them on such a scale That they could be carried us.
so great advantages to his part of the country, ma
by the ematlest capital passible.
had already intimated hie inteetion to oppose it, In shaver 5., a torition by Mr. I.ocmitArr, lir.
(;KIST
With 'respect to the small stills, he was sure these said that he had sot been is •Dublin whirls the Mallon was
was no class of persons in irtlailld burr stitt•erely granted so Middleton.
desirous of the success of the Bill fur their intro.
totw;enner.adt Hilil,7"hgel
hriemedt-h tat", theSthe -!.• steteart.ill'efir fpfh.e
suppression of illicit distillations, which 11:1 bees oritrUttr4Z lineman than the legalized distillers.—lllear.)
He had heard, that the Right How; Gent ient•is to mr.tlamhoro, anti approved of by the Chancelhir of the
I had been so good as to transmit a copy of Ins pro- Exchequer, and which instead of hereby?, up WI lailliUtird
Posed regulatious to Ireland last year, for the ex- Poker, proposed to effect ii. Ode" by she distribution of
ainination of the persons chiefly roneersted in the reivwianng
spirit trade there, sod that they had beeti sent back hLittoorimicol er
uppuriimied by a Grand Jury to all p• :iiiiis
R
The Gibney:Lunt of the C.xertatjurrt retiliea, that is wag
disapproved of ; and that. seine modification" had the third of hie Sibs to which the gallant Geonal eallsealed •
I been introduced since that time, by the suggestion Leave was then sucersetvely given to boar in tbri:, Bills
Report aits" Fisheries BM passed thronh a Corrroitiee
of individuals on this side the water. If that were to effect the objects abtree stated. .ml
true, lie recommended to the Right Ilan. Gentle-
l
man to try how far they were acceptable to the S
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morrow.
QUERN. ,
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mairufreturers!and traders of Ireland, before press-
Sir J. NrwrOllT asked the Chancellor of lb* t. ..
er,
Mg theM through the Home. All difficulties to whether any step was to be taken in the I I..sse DIV Vifttii 411, GI
the operation of the system should be removed its separation. in regent to the Rill of 1..1u. ima Penalties
before hand as much as possible: Ile doubted my limiest her Majesty pending in the odor m. 0.! me
much time practicability of the plan fur the the Members to leave sown dith.a call of the False Mag. "
''.,%l;:r•-
ertabliehment of small stills. He feared that I" over their hesdn?
The crtexcetzoe of the Excliegtbic retilleCraa• al.:"
they were attempting to iutroducc a system understood), that a call was unnecessary, as the Member.* .
which might in its results materially injuse the the Roam woad, doubtless, toe perfectly ready sueibeeteetem.,
legal distillers—a body of men' who had thereto- to %need for the discharge of na solemn a elate. '••
Sir J. Nawisowe replied, that he bad too the ammo", t
fore greatly contributed to the advancement of the
surely, but as WIC
.. al •
agriculture and revenue of the sister country. Even totoart
("
his
own
lurwinali" i
were the system practicable,to _k lie apprehended that Mr. J. P. GRANT desired Woo, whether la ' 1 4.4 .
'the collection of the revenue to wrier therefrom, Ministers had doae, or rant to do any thing' f• or
and the prevention of frauds incidental thereto, reConwimedinz a convict of the name of j•Petriand (we be-
lieve) to the Royal merry
would require such a mat number of officers as to Mr. Wetter Bellied, that no tempo And spodeted to
render it highly objectionable. One part of his advise a reseiesson of his matmee.
tdojections to the mesaure of last year had beets re- Mr. J. P. Goats? rearrested that tbe advance', mete of the
moved by rendering the district liable to the ex. Session would prevent his. treat bringing ithv vole snob'. eh,
pease incurred by the 'oppression of illegal stills; consideration of the House .
it Was very just that the district should pay, if than w„illiireplir to a Paillihoilrartionrif,lllll I on, 1. RIMSTILv, re.
gentlemen of the north of Ireland desired to have - Nclr."Ct-trrie'ersa' kJ, dealt beheeseni:s 1:1011111(01""rbe 6:1 out of the
distillation brought borne to their own doors. He country, at the lodges had reported mediae to 'jtistify a
discoed. that he feared the Right lion. Gesitlemaii mailer sentence.
The Army Prise Money Bill was. read athirst time and
would find the accomplfshing of his yews more dlr.
ficult than he thought. passe BAHRICUPTeT rout:T.
Genteel 11411 IT 'Mil, that this was the third time The Report of the Bankruprry (...s, I Btu was hrytight 4911
that a Bill for re ulati andstreehititosaani. ordered wai /:' ts, 1..k.s into further eei,.t_
gng the s p irit trade of Ire-
land liad been introduced at such a period of the iviffluu I y g3fgaigptitr.,4,4o,4'
"1".
Session, wisest it was imposeible that its provisiosis sir C. utmoostee said, that he i,1,1 postponed renewing
could be Considered. The Priem proposed for the any measure respecting the posishereet of Pe.",.. till be
establishment of smell stills, after being so [hog ' should see what would be the fate Of hie hisri!e friend'i
promised, was clearly impracticable. According (1.4411 .1. Riismeleo) Sill fur the diefraturkitentrtis of.(3,ter-
croselii di bute precluded from
ill! state; that he did no ibeterhs• feel
to the scale on which the Right Hon. Gentleman
would allow them to work. luo/. • year was all the demean oet!var sect., in the Pu
ensuing"miSe'efioann.tyti mpat:l'i'at'mgrltu.ei,mighg
profit that could be expected from a small still ;
p CF.NT4TtON OF SCOTIAN D .
and was it possible that any one would risk his pro- lord ARELi RI- •,. •r- i• t• ; '
... ...11.alLTO. save 1.1•VOIa. uatiervitt.uoi on
petty for suds a chance of minuet-ration ? The -prevented to the House, regardiug the voters at ..)..-t.7••rte ir -
t:
Hon. Gentleman then animadverted in very strong Scuilsod,gave notice that it was hue intention to die . e•ilieg
language on the conduct of the Excise office's sessiou to fumed on demi game wieentrwror tbeametelmerit
ill the north of Ireland. Their oppressions "WC or the rerirrisentatiss of thtst cattail. He then mused, that
most cruel, and as lie had said on is former overeats's. theh pariterssist
alatiephe ririunot,redttobtatthr a sugleatibut,trom the
the 'offerings of the people subjected to their au- ptoopottra it till to.morro,,, fir slit -
c ttr• ,
thority, were nothing inferior in degree to thom • them nail nutmeg • selection.
endured by the poptitatiou of an inverted country. PELLE WS DIVORCE. •
He then alluded to the neglect of taking band" of A Petition was presented from Captain Pellew, praying
that his Memo Bill might he read • second time to.nourrow.
security prom oIiCCVS snaking seitures, sod renewed
.. Merits. Browne and Sande', the agents fur Mi. and Mrs.
his desire for informatien respecting the trunsactions &new, having been examined by the SPISAltrn at the bar

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Apiedieeed the nit Wote •ror
•
1* fifer if rsre.ft.l296) . ;.
hiAtt veld. thigi he might. tritttimiatice
coispiarut of hist. orwilwast Fooivitk 6"l"er
w hoe period of the SesaiOu at *kWh, he
.ro make thege obietratimiet :it: the
'tote were really i•ollfcted, /kg birirr ca-
bal stated; he orllr,ariohileiltik4.,hoid
roped•at au oarlare ',wood 1 Ok. i ion.
.rt is the mouser* for the soppresaion of
ration. 1w weld tat but expreaChirsur.
the Member for Tiruhr (Sir J.Stioart).
itiot-st petstioa from the dread J'art ssf
-
he represnotrol, prayiog for a mr....0r,1
shoblit liege frit 'oau wit hour, t
n that ril .et. lie then tottineittr%!
'rirnd should throtiols *gam the trim,-
rhich hr had atioded.• • '