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LETTER TO MR. C.4NNIAG.

Ste-1 shall Wilma* you withnnt crremnny, for you are
deserving of none. There is nothing in your station, iu
your abilities, or in your character, which entitles you to re-
spect. The drat is too often the reward of political, and
frequently of private crimes. Yonf talents, such as they
are, you have abused; end as for your character, I know
not an individual of any party, or in any class of society,
who would not consider the defence of it a paradox,

" Striving to make an ugly deed look fair."
Lot• as public principle bus sunk, poi are still justly appre-
ciated ; and no our is deceived by qualities, studs, even in
their happiest exertiun, are out calculated or employed to
conciliate esteem.

Think you that the gout-nstnred, greedy spectators, who
suffered themselves to be tickled by the tricks, were seduced
into one emotion of regard fur the persuu of their memoir-
bank' Not a jot ; though that mountebank was it Mini.
ter. Yon were still out firgollen rue a ritornelli* ; your ging.
liug, and chattering, and balancing, were all inimitably per-
formed and admirably becoming; perhaps some of the
younger senators, transported by low ambition, envied, one
instant, your cap soil bells; but neither young nor 014
envied yourself. In plain words, the►e was not a Member in
the House, not a stranger, nut a clerk, or dour-keepe►, who
hod a higher opinion of you after than before your speech,
or felt more iuclined to change characters with Mr. George
Cowling: nut one.

To what • state of degradation are we sunk, when a Dc.
fendaut is cheered into !prism a Plaintiff; to he applauded
when 1w insults the sufferings of the o;ipresseil, and arr•si'ns
the motives of men of honour and of unsullied reputation!
You are yourself aware, Sir, that i• no other assembly in
England would you have been allowed to proceed, for ass
instatit, in so gross a violation of all tie decencies of life, as
was hazarded by that apt-eels, which found a patient, a
pieaseil audience in the Hutt* of thiantettis. Cad there ei:ist
in that body, composed as it undoubtedly is of men, who,
in the private relations of life, are distinguished for niany
good gitalities, au habitral disregard of decency, a contempt
of ',alibi: opittiou, an absurd conSilewee, either inndividually
ur iu mass, to which absolving themselves from the relics of
common life, they look fur protection against the censurer
of their Mkt* citizens! Were it nut for such • mown' tilt
perruasion, there is out • gentleman (fur suck a bring is nut
t ode raiuel in pm-figment) who would slot have thought
himself compromised by listening to your insolent attacks
upon the national character; ■nd to • flashy declsmatiort,
which, Irons beciausag to l'atiOmpik,pril an audience, devoid
of all taste, judgmetst, spirit, and humanity.

I am at a luae, Sir. to arcassoit for the insultitic policy of
your colleague. la unite, alru, thoss-•!1 Hoy Lai.: (hair full
shut.. %lilt you its the public Itairr7l, are f.r from Iscieug
equal •.0 iNostilura for it. cunt. rapt. Theme
h>tae had yowl 11101111. 11,..1.te I tan IIOCIf O'r••I .114:,g0e,
for ititriastslic their sit fetter Its pitch o iris pt
%Vete iliry afraid of your seirtially mikrosiiit you,. ehamiet. r
by 11 11.111" t Were like! teololrtud. That if ems av rr iirt out
eitiosszh known. • de( isare °not pet phoabl reduce poi
bctuu Inc Mioti,sterial le% (1 : tit.) it; th..! yta

-

You know, !lir; and the world should tnow, that when
your lirtitterr, Pitt, 01.1111 tired of y ON, %mu off. red your,rl(
fu this Oily, vain man, who thosscht yotteshrepoor two dear
at 160 pt.:4VMM Wu!, and neeurstissey elecinat d the Igargam.
Yon kung, and the world 11116 i r.-smother, the immediate
conraspienee of this alight of profs:red service wag, yei.r
lampoons in Parliament, your speech. g its the papers for-
get where they fell ; but whether in one or the other they
were egellikry wHprep•ead and Importune: ; thtsr, and other
magaultg, massltilly directed &mai wit I !paw %visage ferhearanee
WO. tfie "it PrUteinkin fat rwor caw hardly hate
shipped Onus:es the are4scs,ef :he id:wo‘ •is : ••1
,st•tt I olkllgitte. Cit'tl, It 11% to
VII In irretrievable hurnslist . mid to lit you for the
lowa-4 agency, by snaking rot tie loudest encontiaot of the
most soislefeasible intisgure of hue whom yogi have repro-
hat( II as the " must 11'unit:title of all 3ltorders, She impel
inept of all Statesmen." Yon !rive Liggett the hand that
(+amigo! )on, and have lost but few uppsrinnities of trsti-
fylog your feigned repentance to him who commands !MI
Gum that eminence which yon were :Leljoilvol ".capable to
occupy, even an a 4 to save the few appearances+ required from
vial manners.

Your suhasission to Lord Castlereagh, trieted oat. as he
appears, its iloore decorations of (intone, *kelt might well ,
deceive a vu:gar eye, was not surprising; it ass the natural
the (-mime Of snratiotess to Insect's.. flut it was not expected,
even trom your condescension, that tlw butt of his party,
the agent of that dross meld which bad, ecru in these times
of peace,. with infinite address, coutriveill to make the Exe-
cutive Administrat tutu not only hateful but ridiculous, that
the very Minister who had no character for talents, should
he defended by km who hat; sIICIVII himself nfierptal to the
defence of his OWII. your reply to those wit,, spate the lan-
guage of their constituents, of tsupiejudiced piglightness,
of hoonnu nature itself, and who stepped fors/sots to rescue
the Parliament from init. litllo disgrace, was such as is seldom
hiccupped up from the bacchaualisu triumph of ministerial
majorities.
The paltry subterfuge hesitates] between regretted inso-
lence and forced retraction, the hand obtruded upon the ob-
ject of your instill at the close of the debate; but, more
than all, the rudeness ut the assault (the Hawn' prelude of all
your pttsu.al amours). might well make that gentleman sus-
pect that be was menaced by your fa ture int istsrey. Some such
apprehension, and the clamours of your party, may have
prevented him or his friends front remark:in:: the cottons fe-
licity with which, of all the irdiscret: of the opposing
party, you chose to vlect credulity ag the iirusittueut feature.
Whet, 4r ! one of the won't Cabinet dare to accuse any
individual of too wick fialk in rominuu rumour or in prof-
fered Infornintion A member of tint Cabinet, whose be-
Gef the idle, malicious falseboaritottf spies, pimp's, bullies,
and all the absasolone.l broker characters whom their pro-
anise. allured into perjury, has beets proved by the verdict of
'mien has beeu recurilrd in the Courts; has brets the üb-
jeet of general indianati #### and, after having been 'because
and encase .ti a *ll,litell attack sou our libertiors, long been
4...0:,-stik• ohs. Cabinet itself, so little nnalified fur exasnioa-
Oulu, that belleveug Perlianseut has be. a 'doors'. ocd to to-
desnotii'y the rogues who 4.1.1 the hash, and the feels who he-
liered awn,. What! an •pologiost fur the culled, the gaping
Siolnsuuth, U. deprecate the intliscriminatio4; receptiou of
tales, mod tale-bearers? a defender of km who put his trust
iu Castle; who. employed Oliver ; and wk., on the faith of
alrociousfabrications, of which Ire was alike the encourager
autistic, dupe, Isar persecuted and imprisoned, hit. fettered
nod fractured, and might hare put It alit'', his follow.coun-
trymen, even to &rim ohm.

Yo• tell us you should have thought yourself " a dolt and
idiot" to Lave listened for a moment to complaints against
an agent ul the Hume Department, a runner of Bow-street,
• gaoler's turnkey, or a Sccretery's Secietary. Mighty well,
Sir ! bat let • runaway from the hulks, a convicted felon,
tell you, that • bankrupt apothecary, a broken-down farmer,
and • cobble►, are the more Of a widely-spread conspiracy ;
have formed awl partially encented a plan for raising the
kingdom, aml fur taking the Tower of London ; have pro-
rated arms; bave published manifestoes; lit the same re-
spectable rvideuce impeach the loyalty of Hi: Nobles and
Gentry in particular districts, mid of She lower claases iu all ;
let this simile felon timers that lie is honest, and list the ma-
rity of his irounirymen •re rogues; you do not think your-
self a dolt and idiot ! !! you do not taink laird Sidesouth a
dolt and idiot, fur proceeding, chiefly upon such informa-
tion, su haug, draw, and quarter the first individuals thu g.
Dated by this credible witness! But a hater. r you or your
colleagues thought, the Jury did think the Secrets. y of she
Hume Departmeist a dolt and idiot, and shelved their opi-
nion by their verdicts. I will take leave to observe, that
thrri: is 1114 dillerence between the credulity of suck men as
Mr. Landoion, and of such Ministers as yniirself and your
colleagues—the folencr may interpose lu save, but the con-
sequence of the latter has been to destr y.

I shall not undertake lire ungrateful labour of following
you through all your Ilippaurir a; nor blow Reny the super-
ficial froth, to arrive ist the vile, vapid lignite beneath. It
is suaicieut for may purpose to sell you, that the general tone
of your discourse am such at soul.' have diagraced the de-
fence of virtue, Gull was intolerable its the apologist and de.
fender of depravity. It was such as will out be borne so
lung as this people have it iss their poser to coutrol, its soy
way, the condact of their preformed representatives. Haul
your pleasautries bcrar as polite as they were rustic, bad
they been as humane as they were atrocious, they would Mill
have hers misapplied in a discussiou professedly treating 10
the fondamental interest' of your country; even in your
own view of the queation, of ilelituptenelea ariainz outlets.
edly front the distiesses of your fellow.subjer4s. To brand
with the orioles of" rebel and traitor" those whom you bare
been unable to prove rebellious sn.l trattortni a, is but in the
ordinary c 'se of official persevcciore and iucurrigilrle
fully but that you sLoold preurinue to assail those
nate individuate, the victims of your cwt recorded credulity,
by making a mockery of old age and of the natural infirmi-
ties, which bare hero oceasioued by your own injustice!!_
testis au uutrsEe upon your audience—how is that to be ac-
counted for? 0 The rrred rd and ruptured o,•den!! 1" This
mad, this monstrous sally was applauded—was received with
of laitzhter ! dud if there was a Confessioll from some
more candid lips, that such allusion* were not " quite in
good taste," au excuse was drawn front the warmth of
the debate; clear as it was, to those arrnitomrd to your
patchwork, that the stupid alliteration us. one of the
tempered weapon* coolly selected from your oratorical
armoury.

The little knot of dependants, who were willing to make
common block and vairy Ili. vendee. 11) In iiket with you,
loser ho come ashamed of the killing, oseilltotoz lotifoun,
whorl they mistook for the bend of ■ party. Rod who ac.
eelticit the first atql lowest vacancy that root.' ievlace him
is§ the lima:luau of 'anvil.. Cyril the miser IWe chuck-far.
thing IYard, rho 11:1,4 learnt flotp you how to run riot on
his apostary, uwa•, that he Insulates hi:Osten the fliag.aee
of gesso's without wave, and of bring Jimtissed without
a character."

in litr Hoene of Common. alone yon find yonrself frkrn
On )ottr nord, ailh OW infinities made; and nitro you
play the t shionnity I/1 a heart dev'tiiti of 311 just, 5,,,1
Kt•tttrou•, and K. 41:it misily yea sic lir.udt )toi ate
uct,tur:4ert, 1.11 str ctircrtal ; use
its V* tsWI the Omit si.hu
1..1 tilt u,j nlie ar, it•c in.tnred 4 !'4•,....) .

Thsok linwever, the nous.. of c0,0,,,,0z., i.
mor trihue it ; sod a is possil•l., ?hat, Li spite of
your extramiliwir y ;woo esti mid prehaid.• sorts's% ;foie
may still lie in this mustily, a holly of turn, now gispersrol.
but wlnon their cu ititeresta mil one day collect and
unite, fur the 'I. ferret of their rights and the poilishineut ut
their oppressors.
Believe me, sir, too an echo of those shmits of larightre,
which hailed your jemo stun ribelliotrs old age and traitor-
ous iliteare, Out as eclor has bevu lust its the wide cacao,-
feretwe of the British islands. :f hose shoots still ring in
our cars; they Will never die ;may mr long as the iiry of re-
tribolion is deferred; they will twit+ (Pe away mild we are
finally estimated by your triumph, or poi me annihilated
by our in.lignah . Do lint Baiter your.elf that, by at'.
caring Stir cutioivaiit!,uf Parliammt, yon are safe ri um all
national censure. rash: meta does not represent Ilia
feelings of the Briiirh notion. If. mould be so insult
upon the character idt this ova!, this glorions people, to
suppose that their Repreamitntives ware seat to the House
of Commons to eutuoragc the playfol ferocity of a har-
dened polihriaii. The Holder put lion of the itatirm are
certainly riot Members of either Hoosc ; the In iter mitt-
ellie4l, the more o ulichtruorl, son the more wealthy, at least
the more independent, are to be found withont the walls of
Parliament. You are rand what Ministerial 1111.111 is soul
on entrap to Reform. But you shall tic told. Sir, that the
extreure were...lily of Reform, and of elloosiug our rem.' sett.
motives from some oilier classes of M/C it ty, watt never so de-
cidedly abewn as in the reception of your speech. If Mr.
Calming was, on a former occasions, applauded for saying,
that the Constitio ion of that miserably could Hot he hail, a heel
" worked to well in practice" as to admit of the seliction
or such men as Mr. IViudhatit and Mr. Horsier, I am sure
it is to be allowed me to say, that the assenill:y can have tio
frrlisigs or op• • ma, to common irith the rest of their
cortiorymesi, which would receive, witli.tliauts of approvits
laughter, such a speech as this of Mr. Cntining.
tout cannot be far from the close of your carerr ; for
either we shall be so lust, that all your further efl'orts s. ill lee
artperfluous, Of you will lie so retitled, as to o:satile von fne
ever at once fruits all noxious exertion. This, then, may he
Hie time formula cop the evideucy, (urinated by the un-
biassed, uncontradictory aitocsaes of your life; aud fur
enabling your cuouteymeu to plea the teidiet.
Let him speak, who ever knew you its possession of any
respectable reputation. The rag you stole from Mr. She-
riamds mantle was Away% too scanty to cover your slakes.-
• , ;... v't ..eagle aidy lit mesosr elosirac
ter:sties of your arehel)pe; urului lead, hot orator ; poet-
aster, not purl ; witliu t, nut wit, You were term- the Bat
or best in any one Hite of act' . You might
altogether inept ur slow is playing second parts ; hot on tot
one occasion have you crer evinced that sMeerity, either tf
principle or capacity, which the lowest admit:rat us ate me,
cuatuuted htl MIMIC from the pretend... a to rsCeils:llCC. Y,Ur
spirit was to husked m prest ore of those acesompli‘hed pea-
suns whom the follow, rs of an parties recognised a* ',c.ga
of a higher order, and were willing to yield earn mole
Terence than their unambitious merit required. I'lw elisneea
of survivorship have lett you a great man in theae days of
little men; but you keep If Ile to the epic soh.; 3015 cod as
yin! began ; power has conferred `open you no digroly ;
elevation has trot made your postio e m',we erect 'I he de-
cency of your character consists in its mithe conformity to
the origitial conception formed of yuto iu early life. It has
Ourrowed nothing from alatiusi, nothing f expro Voce.—
It becomes you, and wuuid disgrace any oilier man. II undil.4l
and trilling as you are, it is nut, however, to, he MAI-bodied.
that you have the power .1 mischief. You hi loot ton chts•
of men who have been adjudged most pimientos io a !cis',
Lord Raton, commenting repels the aphori•ni of Sidontuti,
" Ermines derisorrs ciritatens predn..t t," has hi se surds 4
" It may appear strange, that its describing ;host Who are,
as it were, fashioned by nature' 1. mid made .r the rent of a
State, Solomon sleJtild have selected, not the proud and the
insolent; not flre tsrannical and the cruel not the hash
and the violent ; not the impious. atte. the, wit k, d ; era fist:
unjust and the oppi issue ; not the seditious mud the liii his.
lent; not the !Lustful and the voluptuary; nu•l, lastly, Out
the unwise arid the incapable, but the mail given tremor/wry.
And yet this judgment a eery worthy of the a erdoru of drat
Kinks, who knew so will all That catitrihntes to the preserv..
lion Dud the overthrow of &M.P. Foe there iti in, greet,
pestilence in a monarchy or a coialTiutiWrikli,thol when Cie
Conostllors of the ur the Mr tubers of the S, mite, awl
those itatru•teil wills the directi iiii of aff..lts, tot, by 116114/I'.
gire* lo sio;..hery"
• Yon see then, Sir, that we bare not quite an moth to f'-a'
from your colleagues as from yourself. Amok or ch;.,
and you will start hack at your own its ace. Aeil vet this
groat mast would have thought this " olagite" sti:l m,+.o
deadly, could be have divine-I to whet I. og!lis sa frit Aro
Stat. small, Senator, and Minister of Eeclaed, ouul,l dace
to push this pe.nicions mocker..

I shall overlook the pleasant cuirpariton Irt era f!ie pr(.
sent date of E' and sail that of Point. /trier she had hoe
her liberties. I suppose this, too, is one of your
though I du nut sec the sccostomary " loud laugh" that
ticruinpanirs sour wseein its. Put I will tell con, tiat 1.
tare uu leas igooratit flow impertinunt, iu adup:iutz this ilk..
tration. The Homan., after the triumph of Iyr:troy. OM
fintl it very mach to the purpose to meter to the r sample of
their patriots, and •• more than two huslr. d yens lifter the
estu'ulishmetsl of the Imperial Government, Inc ehar,:etit t.'
the younger Brutus was studied as the prrf, rt oh. a of 11Zot»:,‘
virtue." they 'Tad eitero they iti:l st.t
noble sentiments which taped them, that tht mast truly
graceful, lite most heurflciel, the most elorinits 1.0,5 t-worthy
act of an boatsl cit:zin, was !a slaw a *vont 4.

They did tome; they aspired sometimes to imitate Ile ir
glorious lyrsoniehies; and, notanlrFtaudi, , the Am. ...*
anarchy, w hith was carefully um, ►uhjeetl
the empire, mid ens iii (set the origin of their riLigitsier,
their de►p,.t. found that thcre was still Mae limit los 14, it
isitemperste trilling with the ri4hts au,l fei hugs of huctiri

You mot not set hove fortuiten. Orli the AT f"iir"-;;14
if ii., that the Homing m might Anse horny the mien' ef Ntio'i
but were dri% es, Mil. revolt •t i.o.t :itlinil I. st h. ~.,,4_,
As for the ile6.tittler, Caltgul.,, .. biotal jolt.; tits .itiret.:ll
tried, fl)St.1111111115% Isle. .
The Spertatt 00,11.
tilcus Treeenti in,nriniur,
eunt:utled this litter.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

um•sr. OF LORDS, TorsDAir, Aram 14.

701 r Sewell, from the Stsmo-Offires Frmated a Are:g
of the Number of private Ranks licensed to 01•111 P
final o,x tint of January, 1707, so the West period the *-
cutouts could be made no.—land els the table.
Thr Marquis of Downsitutu, understanding that the
Letter rts'peeiing the rotetnntation of the Window Tax of
Irelatal tad beculaid Olt the table, toured that it Lie printed.
--fT•t:( red.
h. C..rks timpani, ona Bill (Ireland), and the Four-wheeled
t .az,, Hall, were stops cites-1y read the third time, ad
pliaatd.

PRINCE. REGENT'S MESSAGE.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that he had in.
tended this day to move an Address to his Royal
Ifighoe-s the Prince Regent, but he was induced,
uy circoondmiers, So postpone ilia motion until to-
morrow. fie should therefore move that the Order
of the Day be dischm•ged.
The Marquis of LA NEDOViN did not rise for the
purpose of oppreamt the Noble Lord's motion fur
disfliar„;Mg the Order, but he thought it due to
himself and to the House to express his sense of
the extraordinary prtrlicameitt into which their
Lordships %vete drawn by the very unusual course
of prnreeding recommended by those who had ad-
vised the Ptince Regent to send the :Message, mid
nbat gtivt.stl the postponement of the Address, which,
iikpuratialice of the ordinary practice of the House,
mod in conformity with the respect which the House
ought ever to evince lower& the Crown, ought to
have beets returned as ►oon as possible. He could
not hut believe, sod it was impressible fur the House
also not to believe, that those who had advised the
Alessuge were wholly unprepared to institute any
measures in pursuance of it, and thence it hap-
puled, that their Lordships had unintentionally
been educed to the necessity of ►eeming to sli-w a
disrespect to his Royal Highness the Prince Re-
gent. Whatever discredit, however, may he sup-
pose I to attach to .SLICII4I proceeding, ought, he
Foliceived, to be borne altogether by those who Iwd
beets the conse of it.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL acceded to the pro-
'priori' of the Noble Lord's remark, that the blame
whit...ever it might be, which should wise from this
proceeding, ought to remain with those who lied
advised it. If, however, it were the practice of
the House to return immediately an answer to a
Alessage from the Crown, hr did not couceive that
iii inuring it, lie should fulfil his duty to their
Loiclidoips, if he did not fully state to them the
iotesditmo entertained on the subject by the Prince
Regent's Government. To-morrow lie should be
prepsred to do so, and be did not imagine that any
eiscretlit could be attached to the postponement of
the Address fur one day.
Lord HOLLAND—The Noble Earl bad said,
that lie alone was willing to bear the blame dist
might result from this proceeding. It was, no
doubt, very kind of him to take on himself all the
responsibility of the votes of the I ; lint if the
weir to discharge the Order of the Day, tin-
scippoiled ss bUcli u proceeding was by any prece-
skirt (and lie would defy the Noble Lord, so versed
iu precedents, su desirous on all occasions of direct-
the House to be guided by the wisdom of their
ancestors, to produce one), the impropriety or the
proceeding would still remain with the House itself,
tiotwitlistaiiding the devotion of the Noble Earl,
and their Lordships would be guilty of a disrespect
to the Crown. The Noble Lords opposite, indeed,
thought to identify themselves so intimately with
the Government, that they fancied they might easily
4611.1 e, take the responsibility ; but the House should
not so far lolget its own dignity and what
owedit to the Crown, as to cover its want of
respect by such a pretence. The Noble Earl had
iiiiegmed, that he might have moved an Address,
merely acknowledging the receipt of the Message;
but the time fur such a proceeding was gone by
from the moment the House had resolved to take
the matter into their comideration.—(lkur.)
Consideriiig t:..at the Noble Earl had enjoyed the
c intidence of the Prince Regeot, and bad had the
.ctleasitage of a little Parliameni of his own—
( Load cheering flout the Opposition Betiehes)—
it might hate been inferred, that he would have
come down to the llouse better prepared with
some proposition, instead of having reduced the
House to the necessity of acting in a manlier so
disiesiwctful, not only to the Crown and to the
Douse, but also to the people. If the House were
rtmilved to acquiesce in the proposition of hit Ma-
jest3's Mihisteis, it ought to be immediately avow-
ed, or should circumstances render it unwise or
impossible to assent to it, it would be but manly and
ingeolueus to declare it to the public. This pro-
erecting was commenced most inauspiciously; for
if, uric r heels% held a Parliamentary Committee
upon the subject, the mutter should be withdrawn,
what would die public think but that it had been
thole for the purpose of tampering with the Mem-
bers of the House? Their Lordships should not
depart without expressing their opinion upon the
subject. Ile should, tin refine, propose an Ad-
dress to the Prince Regent, acknowledging the
receipt of the Message, and the expression of the
principles upon which their Lorchhipe had resolved
to take the Message into their consideration. With
respect to the provision to their Royal Highnesses
the Dukes of (7larence and Cambridge, it was cer-
Sandy his opinion that Parhaineut should enable
the Prince Regent to make some settlement upon
them, but he thought such provision might be very
well drawn from the provision already granted to
.the Royal Family.
The Noble Loud then observed, that the mo-
lion before the House was, " That the Order be
dieckarged," to which he should add as an Amend-
ment. •' That after the word that, the folluwing be
inserted:—

ment, put the qsastiou in die usu,al form, "that the-
words e. diet this Older be discbarged,' stand part
of the gwastiaii." • , .
Lard HOLLAND objected to this form. Hie
ausistdrneulwao' " that after the word that, the fol-
lowing words be inserted—that an humble Address,
&c." He desired that the motion should be so
Nut.
The LORD CMANCILLOR said he had put the
question accorchug to the usual form, and Mooted
back the amendment to Lord Holland, to alter it
as he might think proper.
• Lord HOLLAND hoped, as lie had not had the
advaulage of any communication with a Committee
out of Parliament upon the subject, that the
House would excuse him if he appeared wanting
in knowledge of forms.—(Hear, hear, and a
laugh.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, neither had lie
had any communication with a Committee out of
Parliament. that this amendment woeld have beets
proposed with a want of form.
The questiou beiug put as desired by Lord
HOLLAND,
Lord SIDNOUTR defended his Noble Friend (the
Earl of Liverpool) fium die imputation of desiring
to take upon lausself all the responsibility of the
Hume; lie had inertly avowed himself willing to
endure every. discredit that might arise from the
present proceeding. His Noble Friend's object in
dischurgitig the order was, that the House should
not be called upon to vote an Address without hav-
ing obtained some information respecting the -ob-
ject of it ; yet that was what the Noble Burou (Lord
Holland), who would have been the first to com-
plain if Ministers had so proceeded, now called on
them to do iii moving his amendment. Consider-
ing the importance of the measure, was it uuresson-
able. or did it not skew a want of candour not to
allow that some alteration might be made in the
intentions of Ministers, shut their views might be
altered.—/ Loud cries of " Hear." front the Oppo-
sation.)—He did unit mean to I ouch from his ex-
pressions, and still contended that it was unreasou-
able not to admit that different views •might he
taken of the measure by his Majesty's Nlinisters.
Those views should be c tttt tt itinieated to-morrow,
and in the gateau time lie must object to an Address,
which had been proposed in a manner quite unpu-
talleled.

Lord KING mill this vest the first time that he
had ever known a Minister of the Crown oppose an
Address of Congratulati upou the event of such
a communication ad the House had received. It
was evident that Miiiisters had not made up their
mind respecting the plan to be proposed to Par-
liament, and while they were collecting the opi-
nions of persons out of Parliament, the House was
to remain* idle in expecte' 00000 of the result.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE—The question had
involved itself into the curesideration of what was
the most respectful mode of proceeding. The
Noble Lord near him had thought that a delay of
one day was inconsistent with decorum, because it
lied been unprecedented ; but it was for their Lord-
ships to consider, whether in avoiding one error
they might not, by embracing the amendment, run
into a greater. Ile had an objection to the form
of the words coucludiug the Address; and if the
House adopted them, it would be voting a censure
on itself; fur they would imply, that their Lord-
ships had occasionally taken eubje cis into their ear
sideration, without having had a due regard to the
taxes and burdens of the people.
The Marquis of LA NSDOWN thought it necessary
to state why he felt it his duty, notwithstanding
what had faltru From hint, to vote in favour of his
Noble Friend's Aitteudineut. If the suede of pro-
ceeding now proposed were unprecedeuted, it should
be recollected that it was imposed upou the House by
the course so ingeniously prescribed by the King's
Ministers, whereby the 'louse, io voting either way,
must Atilt violate the forms of proceeding.—(Hear,
hear, hear.)—The Noble Eat, (Liverpoql) had
stated, that if the House were coated to violate the
forme of proceeding that day, they should, on the
heat, be apprised of the reasons; but the -Noble
Viscount (Sidsouutli) proceeded a step further, and
said, that tune should be allowed fur removing im-
pressions elsewhere—f" No, no," frogs Lord Sid-
etourk.)—He had understood the Noble Viscount
to have so expressed I self, *lieu he had spoken
of the siecessity of allowing time for the alt..ra.
Lion of views and the change of sentiment-.
It appeared that souse means, unknown to Par-
liametit and to the Constituf , were to be
employed to correct certain impressions, where-
ever they may be entertained, and during the
removal of these iinpressious the House were
to sit silent. Certain arguments were to be
used, nut tit to be used in Parliament, and because
of their unfitness the House was to adjourn its pro-
ceedings.
Lord HOLLAND hoped, from the courtesy of the
House, to be permitted to say a few words in expla-
nation of his motion. A Noble Earl near him (Lau-
derdale) had said, that it was unprecedented ; but
to this objection his Noble Friend (the Marquis of
Lunstlowsi) had given a very satisfactory answer—
it was the result of the equally unprecedented pro-
ceedings of the Prince Regent's Ministers. The
Noble Eurl at the head of the Treasury had, after
having consulted the Journals, and employed others
to consult, made • motion fur discharging the or-
der, for which he could give no precedent; and if,
on the spur of the moment, he hail thought
proper to move an Address ad an Amendment,
why should he be called upon fur a prece-
dent, in a caw, too, necessaiily of great diffi-
culty its consequence of the proceedings of Mi-
nisters? Their Lordships had been desired to
wait for to-morrow, us if the word contained in
it some magical power to correct all irregularities.
if, however, Ministers had yesterday been asked
for information, they would, mu the same manner,
have said, " You shall have it to-morrow." How
could they foresee, but that some circumstances
might amide to make Ministers agent change their
minds, and that when to-morrow c isic, they would
be desired to welt for Thursday ? It might subse-
quently be found that F I iday was the lucky day ;
and, should that pass, it might be st:g.;.sts.il that
the intervention of two days would resider Monday
a much more suitable day for the great communi-
cation. His Noble Friend (the Earl of Linder-
dale) hail objected t 3 the words of the Address.
Those might easily be altered ; but alien lie surged,
that those words at the close 1.1 it implied :k
CeLAire on the Ins ',Nei lien was rot

sufficiently ezteative ; fur on the sante principles
his Nostle Friend might have complained of the
words seal and attachment to the Royal Family,
the iutrodection of which might be supposed to
imply a doubt on,* ley:47 of those who would
vote them. Sin3iliti professions lied been intros
duced into the Address on the Princes Elisa-
beth's marriage, and if this matter were concocted
to-morrow, the House would be again called upon
to pledge itself in a similar manner, and yet his
Noble Friend would hardly think that by such a
profession his loyalty would be culled iii question.
As for the disrespect to the Crown, the Prince Re-
gent would, on looking over the votes of the
House, find that one Peer proposed that the Order
for taking his Message into consideration should he
disclffirged, but that the rest of the House lied,
with the loyalty that had ever distinguished it, im-
mediately interfered, and prevented such a violation
of decorum. With the gracious disposition of the
Princes of the House of Brunswick, his Royal
Highness would not even seek to know the name
of the Perr who had offered him so much dis-
respect. He would throw a veil over it, and act
with the slime magnsuimity as Pompey hail dune,
who ordered the papers to be destroyed that con-
tinued the names of his enemies. —( Hear, hear.)
The question was then put, and negatived with-
out a div aeon.

On the motion foedischarging the Order, the
Hotter divided—
Ayes • 5l
Noes
39
On our rendrni.sion below the bar, we found the
Maiquis of Dow:ism RE moving for air Account of
the total incomes derived by the Dukes of Cla-
rence, Kent, Cumberland, and Cambridge. from
Pensions, Grunts, Military and Naval Commissions,
[knits of the Admiralty, and all other sources,.
The Earl of LIYERPOO I. objected to the words
of this motion, but had no objection to furnish the
information required.
Earl Guosvgaoit suggested adopting the words
of motion used in the Douse of Cominono.—
( Cries " order ! order!")
The Marquis ol LA !MOW N observed, that no the
votes of the Douse of Cionmorsi were before the
House, it was Pirfectly regular to allude to them.

The Marquis of DOWNSKIRE having altered the
words of the motion, particularly by excluding the
words " all other sources," it was carried.

A Right Rev. Prelate (we believe the Bishop of
EXETER), remarked, on the little respect that seem-
ed to be 4.liewit to the illustrious persons who were
the subjects of the motion. Even the words
" their Royal Highnesses" had not been prefixed
to then. names.

The gar) or LIVERPOOL said, he hope+) the re-
mark of the Right Rev. Prelate would 'tut he lust
on the Noble Lords in the event of any further
motion.,

The Marquis of LANaDowN raked, whether the
motion could be ri.Pcinclvd fur the purpose of intro-
ducing those worth.?
The LORD CHANCELLOR said it was impos%ilile.

I.ol'll KEN vow said, that the House, in erni%i-
dering the proriainii proper to lie 'unwed to the
Royal Dotter, could not, with propriety, contem-
plate the ()mations' grants which had been 'wilier.,
from the royal bounty. He should therefore move,
that the words 1‘ limits of the Crown and Admi-
ralty" Ehoul4 be omitted.
Lord HOLT. (ND Hated. whether any question was
before the Home ?
The Luau CH A NCELLOR answered in the ne-
gative.
lIANK OF ENGLAND.

The Eul of LAUDERDALE ro,e, in pursuance of
his notice, to move for an account of the sums ad-
vanced to the Government lay the Bank of Eng-
Wird, includisig the sums noKoutstandiog in Fe-
chequer Bills and other Government securities.
The Noble Lod alluded to the Committee of that
House, which hurl formerly inquired into the affairs
of the Blink, and the inforitv‘tinn they had obtain-
ed rtspeetink thiitilvances of the Bind; on Govern-
ment securities, which had induced Parliatnent to
impose certain restraints upon them. It %vat, nece4.
wry that similar iliformai;on Oalulil now be ob-
tained, for the purpose of ioquirint; how fair the in-
terruption 'of cash paym.iit% had depended °lion
such proceeding;'. lie beiieved that four mil-
lions had been refunded to the Bai.k at the cum.

tnencement of the year, the ine,ctit difficulty load
not been experieticril. The Noble Earl then con-
cluded sill, turning— _ .

"That there he laiJ before the House an account of the
total amount of all advances made by the Bank or Englund
to the Government, including all sums now outstanding
•lain Exchequer sills ur otherGoverametit securities."

The Earl of Liveftpoot. ►aid, that of all the
motions for information made this Session by the
Noble Earl, the present was the only our to which
lie load made ally opposition, nor sloottlii lie have
done so in the present instance, did he Hot feel the
extreme impropriety •f exposing the private con-
cerns of the Bonk. With re►pect to the former
part of the motion, namely, the advances of the
Blink to the Government, he could have no un-
willingness to accede to it ; but the latter part pro-
ceedrd too far when it required to know how the
Bank had employed its own money in the market.
The House had no more right to know th it thou
to lentil the private affairs of any isitlividu,d in the
country.

Lord HOLLAND said, there was no propriety in
the illustration used by the Noble Earl, for place
any individual in the country in the tonne s:tuation
with the Bunk of England, he would contend for
the right of Parliumeot to inquire into the wanner
of employing his money. If an Act of Parliament
were passed for enabling IMn to moill paying leis
debts, it would he prrb-ctly just in Parliament to
inquire how he was laying nut hi. money.
The Eon] of LAUDERDALE, in reply, said, that his
reason for desiring to know how much of the money
of the flank %vie• kid out in Excluquer Bulls was,
that such a utntle of employing its money hail been
prohibited by Act •of Parliament. At least, sou
Eir lorpier Bills could be taken directly by the
Bank truism 1114. 'Freastiry, but a. tar a. the resump-
tion of c sla payment,. 1V:14 Colllrt•rtltql, lie could •te
Ito 4litre:eller between them and those which the
Bank might purchase for it. notes in the mai ket.

such a mute of depreciation, as to call fur the inter-
ference of the House. So far from this being the
case, wool had, since 1816, and even in,the last
year, increased in price from 1.. 4d. and Is. 3d. to
Is. 7d. and Is. 10d. per lb. Kentish wool, from
Is. od. and Is. 61. to 2.. and 20. 2.1. Sus-ex,
from Is. 6d. and Is. Bd. to 24. and 2.. 3d. Leices-
tershire wools, from 20/. and 30/. to 3;/. and 401.
per tod. The price of wool, it flit'. appeared, was
rising in this country ; and, notwithstanding the
home growth and that procured f abroad. the
market was still inaderprittely supplied. It would
he a satisfaction to the House to hear, ofier what
had been stated to them rehrive to the witolleir ms-
nufact ore of Yorkshire, that at no period hail there
been known so flourishing a year us the last, with
the exception of the year 1813. Hr spoke of the
absolute quantity of broad cloths in; tortured.
Of narrow cloths there had been a smaller amount
manufactured than in former years—lint that was
made up by the great quantity of lady's cloths curl
oilier articles of that kind, for which thew was&
great demand. Under these men install es. the Hon.
Gent. said, the manufacturer. could allor.l to vr:int
this boon. But the fact appeared to hilt, to be die
other war:. It surely better for this country to
import the raw material, cud send it out in a
11111 at:toured state, than impose duties on the intro-
duction of the commodity. The great plea made
use of IVNI• the propriety of Mere :sing the quosniity
of a certain description of wool—aa if that could be
dime without diminishing the growth of another
kind. If the principle of the lion. Aft-oilier were
adopted, they might grow fine wool in greater quan-
tities, but they would do away with the growth of
long wool. Now the former could be imported
from any part of the world, hut the latter could
not be found airy where else. That very specie*
of mid, which it was in contemplation to export
to the foreign market. was that, wiihout which the
foreign Mali a lad urer could not furnish good• equal
to those produced in England. Would they theu
act wisely to supply hint with the article? It woo
said, refer this matter to a Select Commit te—they
will report—and. if cut' do not choose to agree
with that Report, there was an end of the business.
But, on a question of such importance to the ma-
nufacturer* of the West and North of England, it
was impossible to go into an ex.itinination, without
iovestigating the price of wool, going into the. sub-
ject of machinery, trod other incidental matters, of
great inspolatice. If the Report were not agreed
to, he conceived it would he most injurious to the
country, to let it go abroad. In 1316. when a
Committee was formed oil this subject, his couiliset
was reprobated both within and atithout.that [Loire.
On that occasion, lie felt that the Iteprirt would he
so dangerous, that he moved a resolution its the
Lointrthice, corifining them to thus cousideratimi of
the matters contained the Petition alone. That
resolution was agreed to—and the Cu tttttt a only
considered whether the state of the price of wool
demanded the interference of the Legialature. No-
tlnng was done on that occasion—because it was
found that the state of the price did not justify any
new measure. The present motion was founded on
the Petitions of last Session. Not a new time, ex-
cept one, which was that (boy laid on the table of
the House, had been presented on the subject. In
1816, the C ttttt allure was appointed lirevo,tiN to the
Easter recess, and the whole country knew of o
and, with regard to the complaint of the low price
of wool, not an
inrlividusl, on
that
tal-asloll, at.-
peered to substantiate it. As he could see no rea-
son for acceding to the motion, lie should ern hold/
divide the House upon it.
Mr. CuaIVEN was of opinion, that the nit aga re
which the Wu. Gentleman appeared to have
contemplation, would not he the mesas of effec-
tually encouragiug that kind of wool fur the giowth
of which he was particularly tlimiottb. At present
this country possessed her long. wools, and hail the
whole market of the continent open. But if the
proposed alteration were made, though, their lone
wools would find a market abroad, lie did nut
think a single additional pound of fine wool %%wild
be grown here. At a former period, when this
measure was before the House, the price of woe
averaged from 10d. to 18d. per lb. It was now
from 18d. to 2s. The carcass also, which I;:rmei ly
sold fur 36,. 6d. now brought 565. 'fliese advances
were amply sufficient, lie conceived, to meet the reit-
amiable wishes of every farmer. It was a notorious,
fact, that, within a given number of years, cloths,
ro the amount of 34,000,000/. had been exported.
If the fanner were allowed to export his wool, per-
haps, in a similar time, the quantity exported
would produce 1,000,000/. Here, it was true.
1.000,0001. would be gained, but the export of
cloth would be impaired. And it could not hr
doubted hut that the export of good• to the ainouitt
of 34,000,0001. would put a larger sum into the
pocket of the farmer than be could realise if he • x.
Porte dwool to the value of 1,000,000/. Besides.
the alteration would probably have the effect
throwing out of work many persons who were nos
actively and beneficially employed. It was rein•ii k-
able that there was not a single Petitimi oil the ta-
ble from Norfolk, where one-third of the whole
wool-growers of the country resided ; and surely, if
an alteratioti were necessary, they would Its the first
persous to state the fact. The House ltd otter.
been led to legislate on a partial view of agricaltio.
ral mutters, and much mischief had resulted fioin
it. Not long since the duty on rape-seed aims
creased to 101. per ton, and the colisequence
that the measure was felt most severely in those
districts where that article was tecoduced. Ile
should decidedly oppose the motion.
Mr. D. Gir.sEar was of opinion that it wailful
be a very great hardship if the House njecird ti
propositivo of this kind, which was merely for air
inquiry, as to the propriety of ullt•wf lig a limners:at
monopoly to exist any longer. Oir this grout'.;.
without pledging himself to sowtott any (Wore
immure, he would vote for the motion.

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