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HOUSE OF LORDS.
110141)Ali, FLA. 10.
1.014 GRANTLLY took the oath and his seat.
The Earl of COVENTRY presented a petition from the mer-
chants, bankers' and traders in ‘Voretter, against the Insolvent
Debtors' Act. Laid on the table.
The Duke of SOMERSET moved that his signature might
stand to a protest under the fulrowing circumstances :—The
noble Duke was in the House during tire debate on Tuesday
last; but not, being present when the question was pat, the
turns of the house made his signature to Lord Stanhope 's protest

exactions.—(Heas+a-He spoke of the suoceesful operation of
the Constable's Act.
Mr. GOULBURN said it would be inconvenient and mine-
ceasary to go into the qoestion now. The Government of Ire-
land bad been sedulously anxious to remove those evils that
were complained of ; and he would add, that a measure on the
subject was in a very forward saute, and that, on in early day,
he hoped to he able to subunit it to the Hoene.
Mr. S. RICE wished the right hon. gent. Ind been a little
mote explicit. The measure of last year they knew ; and what
good had been dons;—Such was. the Mule of Ireland, the
rights of the church end the laiely could not be preserved, with
decided reform on this subject. Except they bad some better
idea of what was ceetemplated, be hoped bib Ism friend (Mr.
Hum.) would not postpone bis motion for an hour. If they
had. not some explicit answer the sooner the proceeded ad-
versely the better ; aar might as well be declared at once.
Mr. Secretary PEEL expressed his regret at the warlike cha-
racter of the speech just delivered. It had been stated that a
measure was nearly ready ; more could not bo stated without
prejudice to the question.
Mr. HUME eaid, so far from censoring the warlike language,
that it was impossible to think or speak on this subject without
warmth. The gentlemen opposite had possessed the Govern-
ment of Ireland for 23 years, and, though this lied been a crying
evil, what had they douel Nothing ; nor had the right hun.
hon. gent. (Mr. Peel) done any thing. 'flue government, had
thought of, as a remedy, an equitable rate to support the elsurch•
That he should resist. Ile was for making the church property
support the church—property that would primitive upwards of
four millions a year if properly managed. That must be used
before he could acquiesce in imposing any new tax to support
the church in Ireland. lie could not consent to postpone the
motion of which lie had given notice.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that possibly this week would not
elapse before ;mace world be given of the Government's mea-
sure or a commutation of tytlues.
Mr. S. RICE was glad to hear or a measure for the 't com-
mutation" or tythes; that was the word he wanted to hear from
an official person.
Mr. COULIIURN said his measure wu to promo4e a com-
mutation" of tythes.—(llear.)
Petition ordered to lie on the table.
A new writ was ordered for Fermanagh, in the room of Sir
S. Cole.
Lord A. HAMILTON observed,. that his notice was for
March I I. on the subject of the Scotch representation.
Mr. PEEL presented his Majesty answer to the address.
Mr. GRENFELL moved for returns of bank notes, batik
post bills, &e. now in circulation—of exports and imports of
copper, &c.
Mr. NVIIITMORE postpoocil his motion to the 26th inst.
respecting the corn laws.
Lord 110THAM wive notice, that lie should to-morrow move
that the House be called over whenever the Catholic claims
came on to be discussed.
Mr. COULBURN gave notice, that to-morrow he should
more for leave to bring in a bill to reduce the Irish mall:
Returns of grain warehoused were ordered to be laid before
the House.
TAXATION,—Mr. MABERLEY, in moving for papers,
said, that taxes to the amount of six or seven editions alight.
he repeal. d with advantage to the public credit. The Chau-
eviler of the Exchequer mi,lit lowed to repeal to the amount
often millions—it mightlie eately done ,• but he hat only to
ask of gentlemen opposite not to pledge themselves to the
Cover iiiii ent till they should have heard him as well as the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. (hear.) Amongst the various.
papers lie should move for would be returns to show the state of
the income of the errantry, and the operation of taxes ; notwith-
standing the diminution of taxes, the taxation, instead of being
about 43 per cent. now was in the r Itio of SS per cent. (hear.)
As to the occupiers of the soil, their means were gone ; he be-
lieved that where rents were paid, they were peril out of es-
pitel. The reduction of two or three millions of taxes would
motive sufficient ; all the assessed taxes ought to be
It was a species of income tax. He pledged himself to show
that taxes tothe anioutuit of 7,000,0001. might be ferthaith re-
duced. He concluded aWu mating for a *mks of returns of
of the assessed tales, property tax, &c.
Mr. P. (MNI:ELL 'tidied whether the hon. member had it
in contemplation to propose any rimewal of the property or
income tat ! There had been some rumour OD the subject out
of doors.
Mr. MABERLEY instantly replied in the negative; he
should prepare the total taped of the assessed taxes, but lie
had no substitutes to propose.—Papers ordered.
Mr. HUME mover' that rariuus aecuuulspresented diet dey,
respecting the sinkin,; fund, be printed, ezpressing his regret
.bat the farce mid delusion should still exist.

Bto.

A petiii

presented for

irregular.
The motion.was tamed to. -
MARRIAGE ACT A,IEND)(EXT 1111. L.—The Earl of
SHAFTESBURY said, the noble Lord (Ellerborough) who had
given notice of his intention to bring in a Uill to amend the
Marriage Act, being unable to attend in his place, had eosins,
lie (Lord Shatte-bury). would lay it on the table. The noble
Earl bad nu observations to make on the provisions of the Bill,
but should merely wove the first reading.
The Bill was actotilingly read the first time, and ordered to be
printed..—Adjourtiod.
ITUESDAY, TER. U.
Lord GRANVILLE pmeated a petition from the merchants,
hankeiii, and others. in the town of Wolverhampton. for a repeal
of the Insolvent Debtor's Act. The petition was read and laid
on the table.
Lord ELLEN nottounll gave notice that lie tibould move
the second reading of his Bill to amend the Marriage Act, on
Monday next, and then tix another day for the next stage of the
bill. lie added, that be should take care to Miura their Lordships
aufficieut time for further consideration of the measure.
TIIURSDAY, FED: 13.
Mr. Mason, from the Directors of the East India Company,
presented the annual account of pensions, allowances, and super-
annuation' granted by the company sines last session of Par-
liament ; also, the proceedings of the Court of Directors, as to
allowances to certain ship o sners.—Laid on the table.
Mr. Ilyatu, from the Commissioners for the reduction of the
national debt, presented an account of the sums applied to that
abject since last year.
Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from the banker:,
merchants, traders, and hihabitants, of the town and county of
Nottingiss:n, praying for a repeal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
—The noble lord said die signatures to the petition were highly
respectable.
Lord HOLLAND.aIso presented a petition. from the mer-
chants and traders of Gainslxtrough, in the County of Lincoln,
praying for a repeal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Both peti-
tions
were read and laid on the table.
Lord COLCHESTER presented a petition from the clergy of
Colchester, praying fur a repeal of the Marriages Act.—The peti-
too was lard on the table.
ritiDaY, tEL 14.
Several appeals were heard.
Mr. Hodges, Clerk of the Crown, in Ireland, attended at the
bar. with IRO tetuen to a writ issued pursuant to an Act of Par-
liament, fur the election of a temporal peer of Ireland, in the
room of Stephen, Earl of.Cashei ,deceased.
The writ and return were resit at the table, and it appeared,
that Edward Viscount Lorton had been elected a temporal pear
of Ireland, in the room of the Earl of Cashel.
Mr. Tierney, from the tax office, presented an account of the
salaries., allowances, and other emoluments accruing to the
Receivers General of Taxes. The return which was made pur •
*mint to the provisions of the 3d of George IV. was laid on the
tattle.
Lord STOW RI.L presented a petition from the Avelidenconry
and Clergy of Burks, against the Marriage Act. The House
adjourned to Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, 14. D. 10.
A new writ was ordered fur Winchester, io the room of Mr.
Leigh, who bas accepted the stewardship of the Chiltern
Hundreds.
A petition was presented from the potteries in Staffordshire,
praying for the establishment of a Court of Requests.—En-
ferred to a rommittee.
Mr. CURWEN moved for
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acodants of coals &sported to

INtoLv ENT DEBTORS.—Mr. R. SMITH presented a petition
from the bankers, Ste. of Lincoln, praying for the repeal or the
insolvent Debtors' Act.—He consplaireed of the prejudicial,
operation of these acts, observing, that within 16 months deb-
tors !Lid got released from debts to the amount of 4,000,000.
there being assets only to the amount of 10.0001. being about
three fartlsinge in the pound.
Mk. HURST expressed himself against repealing the acts,
but did not deny that they were susceptible of amendmeat.
Mr. WILLIAMS declared, that the petition required the
serious attention of the (louse—that the present acts undoubt-
edly had the approbation of all the knaves in the country—and
that though it was not required to revive the old laws, he
maintained that the acts called for aniehilments.
Mr. LITTLETON said, the arts had been of very iejurio n
operation, and that unfortunately, Recording to them, debtor
could not easily release themselves from their debt t.
Mr. T. WILSON expressed himself in favour of the petition.
Ale. Alderman WOOD observed, that one great object of
the acts was, to check the facilities to obtain credit ; but the
advantage had been gained at much too dear a rate—and
the consequences were so serious, that something ought to
Ise done by the.,Rouse. Petition read and ordtred to be
printed,
Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from the Reim and
Chapter of Lichfield, &c. praying for remuneration for Mears
sustained in consequence of the New Marriage Act, which bad
curtsied their privileges and advantages in greeting licences.
These jurisdictions merited attention. Read and ordered to be
Mr. WALLACE gave notice for Wednesday for the revival
of the committee on foreign trade.
TYII4F. SYSTIM, IRFLAND.—Sir IT.•PARNELL presented
• petition from the Grand Jury of Q,aren's County, praying for
a commutation of Tythea. He spoke of the importance or the
a ihject, and lamented that it was not at once likely to he
brought forward by Government. Ireland had for the fir►t time
been mentioned in time Royal speech, without having occasion
to call for some severe meaegre,. lie hoped that Mr. flume
would postpone his contemplated motion. for the present, as
measures were likely to be adopted which would render such
motion unneceesees.
Colonel TRENCH spoke in f meow of the petition. The pre-
sent system was injurious to the interests of the Protestant
Church, as much so as they were oaressive to particular
Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, be should have to present % si-
Naar petition from the county lie represented. If the subject
were likely to be hmught forward by Governmeet he should
mainly attribute it to the manner in which the subject was re-
ceived in that lincee last year; but it would be desirable to
n *lit timer 'arty eosteiliAlOry ineasurcs were in contemplation.
Whateva was done lie hoped Cie rights of the cherrh would
he •ecaged i—it bask tuciet to fear from verse% mance in
.sevete

Mr. GUENFELL said there was a pledge last session to
revise the system, to have the account embracing surplus of
income and expenditure.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON said it was the intention of Govern..
tnent to realise such pledge.
Ibe LORD MAYOR defended the system of the siuking
fund—a system that had enabled us to Inert the enemy, and
that had been copied fu America cod France, and is all repre-
sentative governments.
Mr. LLSIIINGTON said the speech just uttered had given
unmerited importance to the subject. What was to be dour
was to simplify the question.
Mr. MABERLEY was glad to hear thus much, for a more
tricking fund did not exist; if all were paid oil, there was not
one farthing belonging to the fund. Papers ordered to be
printed.
Mr. LUSHINGTON moved that the usual_ annual finance
accounts be presented.
NATIONAL LIBR A RIES.--LOrd J. RUSSELL expressed the
hope that, to promote the interests of literature. there would he
• Imildin;; appropriate for such purpose, to receive the library
presented by the King to the uati 00000 &c.
Mr. PEEL acknowledged that kis Majesty hid presented the
library as represented ; hut ►aid, that nothing had been detei-
mined about a new Leading.
Mr. 11 I LNIOT moved for various returns about the colonies.
Mr. W I LMO moved for sn account of the value of mer-
chandise exported to the East and %% e,t Indies ; merchandise
re-exported, &..
Mr. BROODEN presented the report of the expiring laws
committee.—Ordered to he prii,t( d.
Time remaining business hating been disposed of, the House
adjourned.
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11.1-SDAY, ri.n. 11.
A new writ was ordered for Arun.ict in the room of Mr.
Blake, deceased.
Mr. LITTLLTON presented a petition from the merchants
and trailers of IVolverhamptun against the Insolvent Debtors'
Act.
/Vier some remarks from lend Althorp and Mr. Hurst, it
was read and ordered to by pi toted.
Geo. tiASCOYNE presented a petition foot some Wm:sante,

u coulpuy.—Referred to s

of Plymouth with

gas. Also referrid to a committee.
Lord 1110T1IAM moved, that on the `2oth inst. the llouse
be calle4oVM, with Os vim of securing the fullest possible
attendance on the discussion of the Catholic question.—

agreed to,
Lord A LTIIORP gave notice that on this day sennight hs
should submit a motion for the more effectual recut try of
small debts.
Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition, complaining of an
undue return for Sligo.—Ordered to be taken into cousiderstirm

—IRELAND.—Mr. GOULBURN moved for leave to bring is a
bill to continue and alumni the Irish 'Yeomanry Act.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Constable Act.
would nut render the Yeomanry unnecessary. He had unde'r.
stood that the corps mainly consisted of " Orangemen ; Belled!
whenever they were culled out, they increased rather than di.
min shed the difficulties they were required to suppress. If
the yeomanry were to be continued he hoped the expellee would
not be so great ; for, according to the returns, officers were
put on pensions if they required to retire, or if others.weee to
Le promoted, although the pensioned parties were as healthy as
he was. This was a most shametul 'these. Some enquiry
ought to take p 1 ce, especially into the earner of nominal
bligade majors. He hoped this bill would not be allowed to,
pass till the House knew why various individuals had been
placed ou the half-pay list so ehawefully.
Mr. LOU LBURN could not reply to such details now ; they
more properly belonged to the discussions on the army estimates.
—lf, however, those matters were to be discussed on the bill,
lie should hereafter be prepared so meet the questiou ; and be
thought he should he able to give such explanations as would
be satisfactory.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE thought these matters ought to he
discussed before the bill was allowed to pass.—But he bail
viewed the case with much anxiety, recollecting the present
critical and alarn.ieg slate of Ireland ; for these yeomanry had
so conducted themselves ea to make themselves viewed with
suspicion. Ile treated that the House would not hurry dile
bill, because when the Attorney General (Mr. Plunkett) arrived,
he felt that such individual would lose no) time in submitting.
to the House some account of the present precarious state of.
Ireland. He did net know-that such would be the case ;* he
only felt that such was likely to be the result. The condition
of unfortnnate, unhappy Ireland was such ea to give rise to the
greatest alarm, and he considered that it was due to the people
of Ireland, that their case should be submitted to the Pafilt•
ment.—(llear.)
Mr. GOULBURN did not desire to hurry the bill through
the !louse; he only wished that the messures• relating to Ire-
land shoold he on the table of the House as early•es possible.
111 e. V. FITZGERALD most enter his protest against the
general sweeping censure directed against as the yeotnnery of
, Deltoid. Their vertices had been illustrious in many instances.
—As to the yeomanry universal y, consisting of " Orangemen,"
it was not the case ; the Clare yeomanry had not many Protest
ants in it—certainly not any Orangemen. In the south of bit-
land, he was persuaded there were very few Orangeineu in the
yeomanry corps. With respect to the state of Ireland, be felt
its importance as mach as any man ; but the question would be
—ought not the yeomanry to be continued ?
Mr. S. RICE observed, that the vindication of the South of
Ireland dirt not altogether refute the force of what bud been
said ; there were 30,000 yeomanry, aud of them 20,000 were
in the province of Ulster. The Orange processions, miniver-
series, &r. ought to be prohibited ; and, if such proceedings
could not be preveuted, lie hoped that in this bill care would
be taken to prevent persons with arms in their hands, being
engaged in such processions and celebrations. The motion
agreed to.
Mr. GOULBURN, in moving for leave to bring in a bill to
continue the Irish Arms Act, said, that care would be taken to
prey eat arms from being put into hoods of improper persons.—
Motion agreed to.
Mr. F. LEWIS moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend
the General Turnpike Art.—Agreed to.
WINDOW TAX.—Mr. 11011110 USE gave notice, that after
the Easter recess he should renew his motion for the repeal of
the Window Tax, provided there was no war, and that the re-
peal of the whole or part of the assessed taxes should not ren-
der such motion unnecessary.
Mr. HUME wished to ascertain how mach, if any, of the
Russian Dutch loan, is 1514, had been repaid ; and with the
view of ascertaining the fact, he moved for accounts of such
loan, iuterest, &c.—Agreed to.
Chown LANDS, RELA ND.—Mr. HUME moved for a copy
of the commissioners report respecting the crown lands and
quit rents in Ireland. Recently some reports had been made ;
Le wished them to be submitted to the House. lie should
hereafter propose that those crown lands be sold to gay off the
debt ; they produced 63,0001. a year, but if sold they would
produce 2,000,0001. He expressed osionishment that the tri-
ennial repots of the crown lands had not hem' submitted to the
House , those lands lie should also propose to be acid fer the
public beuelit. Tkey were now used to promote corrupt pa-
tronage. Ile concluded with moving for the Irish reports.
Mr. HUME then moved for the produce of sales of quit
rents, and for a series of accounts respecting the Vice Treasurer
aud his office.

Surptv.--Mr. LUSIIINGTON moved that proportions of
his Majesty's speech relating to the supply be referred to a
committee to-morrow.

Mr. HUME wished to knew whether they might have, with-
out waiting fur the customary estimates, the items of the cou-
template(' reductions?
Mr. LLSIIINGTON said, the forms of the House would not
permit him to comply ; they were the items on which he should-
have to submit motions. Committee to-morrow ordered.
Mi. . SMITH moved for accounts of extents in aid issued.
—Ordered.
Mr. S. RICE moved for returns of sans issued by the com•
missioners in Ireland for the employment of the poor.—
Ordered.
DIr.LUSIIINGTON moved for an extensive series of return'
of sugar, coffee, and rums imported, &c.—Ordered.
This House went into a committee on the 11 est India Trade
A ct . Report to-morrow.
Seo-rell Chuttiv.—Mr. HUME gave notice, that to-morrow
lie should move for returns of the stipends of the Scotch slergy
in 19.111 and in 1822.

--Sow Finance papers Laying beer. presented, the Ilona*
adjourned.

WEDNESDAY, FED. 12.
Mr. Canning and Mr. }ferries, the new member/1 for Harwich,
took the oaths and flair Beata. Mr. C. on entering the }loose,
111"01.1 I (led forthwith ned took his seat on the treasury bench,
without waiting (or the customary introduction and oaths— a
form of a tirinette that occasioned considerable laughter amongst
tie cumbers prt,eut.