The Sun.
London, England, 1855-12-14 00:00:00

] 50,000

9,675,000 5,927,917 5,301,279
To this decrease of 626,638 quariers in the year's pro.
duce has to be w'ded a considerab;e, but unascertainable
deficiency in the weight of this yew's crop as compared
with last. Remembering, however, that las; year's was
a crop above the average even is acreage, and very
greatly above it in yield per acre, the decrease above
shown cannot be regarded as very great, especially when
we take into account that there is no decrease, but a
very considerable increase, in wheat, each quarter of
which represents, in value, and almost in utility, two
quarters of any of the other grains. If the produce
of England has been affected only in the same propor.
tion, and if it be admitted that the produce of last year
the three kingdoms over was considerably above an
atuvrenraegseh,atlbl ehapvreesheenetnhpigreheuprred furicesare
England,difficultit
to account
for by any decline in the supply. When re-
improbably be found that we have been estimatingill nottlie
consumption of the whole country at not greatly less
than double the fact, so that we have been much more
than we thought dependent on foreign supplies and
affected by foreign prices.
Turnips and potatoes show a considerable increase in
acreage, and the latter an increase in estimated produce
of nearly 200,000 tone or about 30 per cent. Consider-
ing the extent to which potatoes come in as a substitute
for floflr in times of dearness, the great increase in this
crop might have been expected to hold prices at a lower
level. We deduce from the tables the average produce
per
Wheat.acreof Barley. Oats.
of crop in Scotland in 1855. The
grain crops we state in bushels and pecks per acre :
Oats. Bere. Beans and Peas.
B. P.B.
P.
B P. B. P.
B. P.
26 2 32 3 32 01 32 11 27 21
The root crops are stated in tons and cwt. :
Turnips. Potatoes.
T. C.
T. C.
14 7i 4 191
The difference between different counties and districts
are in some cases apparently very great—for instance,
the produce of wheat per acre is 34 bush6s in Suther-
land, and only 22 in Dumfries ; but, on closer scrutiny,
these differenees are found to be more apparent than real,
moat of the inordinate large yields being explainable by
the fact that they refer to crops, such as wheat in the
Highland counties, cultivated only on choice spots and
as a matter rather of fancy than of business.

LAUNCH OF THE FLORENCE
NIGIIINGALE.

IlAnnrrooL, Tuesday, Dec. 11.—Iron shipbuilding,
which is yet in the stage of infancy at this port, made a
second step to-day in the launch of a magnificent iron
screw steamer, which has received the name of the
heroic Florence Nightingale. This vessel has been built
by Messrs. Richardson, Brothers, by whom the rapidly-
extending trade of iron-shipbuilding was introduced to
the port of Hartlepool. This is the second vessel
launched at this port ; she is a beautiful specimen of the
clipper class now so much in vogue. The prow is orna-
mented with a full-length figure of the lady whose name
she bears, and who is represented as in her usual hospital
dress, having in the one hand a cup and in the othera hand-
kerchief. On each side of the bow are beautiful scroll-
boards, beneath which is carved in bold relief the figure of
a wounded soldier in a recumbent posture, looking with
feelings of gratitude to her by whom his wounds of
honour have been attended. A small bust of the same
lady ornrnents the stern of the vessel. The following
are the d'inensions :—Length, 189 feet; breadth of beam,
27 feet; depth of hold, 16 feet 6 inches ; tonnage, about
600 ; two inverted cylinder engines of 90-horse power ;
she is further fitted with iron water tanks capable of
containing 140 tons of water for the purpose of ballast,
which can be ejected in a few minutes by means of a
" donkey" engine placed upon deck. An additional
feature in the outfit of this steamer consists in her being
fitted with two cranes, with a pair of boilers to each,
for the purpose of discharging her cargo when employed
in transporting goods. These engines are on the loco-
motive principle, and are stationed, as are also the boil-
ers, upon the deck. The machinery is manufactured by
Messrs. Richardson and Son. The Florence Nightin
gale hats been built for Mr, Young, of Wilobeach.

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GUILDFORD, Dec. ' 13.----The annual meeting oC this
association took place to-day at Guildford, and' was
largely attended by the gentry and the farmers Of the
district. The show of stock was extremely good. .
In the evening about 150 gentlemen dined together at
the Angel Hotel, the chair being occupied by Mr. H.
Drummend, M.P. for West Surrey. The hon. gentlethan
was supported by Lord Lovaine, M.P , Mr. Mangles,
M.P.) Mr. R tikes Currie, the Rev. G. Molyneux, &e.
The cloth having 'been drawn,
The CHAIRMAN gave " The Queen,", which was drunk
with much enthusiasm.
The next toast was "Prince Albert," in giving which
the CHAIRMAN observed that his Royal Highness bad
upon all occasions shown himself the friend and patron of
agriculture—not that kind of patron implied by a rich
man giving what he did not value or feel the want of,..bet•
in the intelligent patronage which a well-informed! man
and master of his subject gave when he encouraged any
particular science or art. Ho thought, then, they did
well always to drink the health of his. Royal Highness
after that of the Queen ; and when they reflected 'upon
his many virtues they ought at least to do him thil jus-
tice not rashly to censure him, or to believe the epony-
mous slanders which some persons scrupled not to spread
abroad concerning him, but to ascertain for themselves
the truth of the matter before they concurred in any-
thing of the kind. (Hear.)
The CHAIRMAN then said, the next toast that I have
in the performance of my duty to propose is, " The
Health of the Army and Navy, and that of our brave
Allies." I confess that I _feel somewhat ashamed,-in
proposing this beast, that there should .be in England
commercial speculations the proprietors Of which fin-ct it
profitable to traduce the army and navy. I hope the
people of England will not allow these things_to- be pros
fitable speculations any longer. Stand by your army
and navy, for you may rest assured that those men who
write so confidently, and take upon themselves to censure
them, know no more about the army or about what the
Commander-in-Chief has been doing than any one of you.
When I see these anonymous writers urging on the war
in this way, I remember an anecdote of an old French
bishop, who, being asked why he went himself to attend
an old woman, said, " It is much easier to say to another
go and do such a thing than to do it oneself ; ' and when
I see all these editors and newspaper writers—the whole
kit of them go—then I will say to them, "-You are fine
fellows," but not before. I beg to give you " The
Health of the Army and Navy." (Cheers.)
This speech was followed by a comic song, after which
Col. SUMNER returned thanks for the honour done the
service, observing that during the past year no less than
500 of the Surrey Militia had volunteered into the line,
and the regiment was now 700 strong.
The CHAIRMAN next proposed the "Bishop and clergy,"
which was acknowledged by the Rev. G. Molyneux.
Mr. MANGLES proposed the "Lord-Lieutenant and
magistrates_ of the eounty.
Lord LovAINE returned thanks.
Mr. R. AUSTEN proposed " the Health of the County
Members." He thought that in the present circumstances
of the country, when members of Parliament had more
serious duties imposed upon them, and greater impor tarce
was attached to their votes than had ever been attached
to them before, the conduct of the hon. chairman was
such that his constituents had every reason to be satis-
fied. His ability was undoubted, and they could ail gua-
rantee perfect independence. (Hear.)
Mr. DRUMIIOND, in reply, said—l am neither a maker
nor a lover of long speeches, but, having often observed
bow few the occasions are upon which I can meet my
constituents, I think that when I have the advantage
upon the present occasion, and when you have separated
my name as the representative of the county, and have
drunk my health in that form, instead of the obvious and
natural toast of "the President of this Society," you do
expect to hear froth me something upon that sub-
ject which after all is uppermost in the heads and hearts
of you all. (Cheers.) Now, gentlemen, I must be can-
did and open with you. I confess to you that at the
outset of this war I thought it most dignified to the
country to stand aloof from foreign interference, and fur
this reason—l could not sympathise with tyrannical Go-
vernments which had ground down their people from
one end of Europe to the other, neither could I syinpas
thise with those madmen who said that the only means
of regaining their liberty was by waging a war of uni-
versal destruction against every crowned head and Sove-
reign of Europe. But here had arisen a peculiar case.
Here was a great Emperor determined to possess himself
of the lands of his neighbour. Well, gentlemen, all the
people of this country seemed to be taken aback. It
was the most wonderful thing ever heard of in the world.
Dear me ! I remember ever since I was a child that it
as nothing but the uniform policy of Russia to possess
itself of Constantinople. I remember it was said and
generally believed that the Empress Catherine christened
her Meet son Constantine, with the sole view of making
him Emperor of • Constantinople and Turkey, and thus
carrying out the tradition of the Russian empire, and
opinions which had been received for 100 years. But,
apart from this, I don't find that the love of having a

little more 'midis such a very uncommon or remarkable
thing. I remember, and my hon. friends can remember,
perhaps, better than I can, bow we have gone on filch-
ing a little more land in India, until at last we havegot
a very fair-Sized estate there. (Laughter.) I hardly
know a landed proprietor who does not want another
little farm lying near his estate. (Continued
laughter.) Nay, more, I hardly ever knew a farmer
who did not say he should do better if he could have
a couple of fields belonging to his neighbour. (Con-
tinued merriment.) Thi,t, gentlemen, is really the Em-
peror of Russia on a small scale, that is all, Well, but
were we to stand by and see this poor Turk robbed ? Cer-
tainly not. In point of justice, in point of policy, and in
consideration of the laws of humanity, we won't see a
little man knocked down by a big bully. Well, then, I
say we had a right to go to war to protect the little man.
But now your great guides and instructors change their
tone, and say you are going to we r for the sake of civili-
sation. What on earth has civilisation to do with it?
Are we to go on till we extend civilisation through the
world ? Peace at any price may be a fallacious cry ;
hut war at all price is equally fallacious. When are we
to have common sense ? We are in the middle of a
battle, and the reason why I always object to go into a
battle is because I won't come out till I have conquered.
(Cheers.) That is the reason why I did not like
enter into war, but I don't at all shirk the war. You
are in the midst of a great and terrible struggle, and I
wish you were well out of it. I must confess the wore
I see the more difficulty I see, and I believe that at the
present moment you are totally misinformed as to the
real difficulties of the question. I, for one, doubt very
much whether the Emperor of the French is inclined to
go on with the war, and if not, I ask you, are you in-
clined to go on with it singly ? (Cries of " No, no.")
I am not saying that this is really the case, but I do
beg you to make up your minds upon the subject, and
tell me plainly what it is you want with me. Am I,
as your representative, to say that we will stand against
Russia single-handed, and not make peace even if we are
asked to do so? Now screw your courage to the stick-
ing place. You have spent 100,000,000/. this year.
Those poor chawbacons outside don't understand what
it is to spend 100,009,000/. ; they may think it, some-
thing fine; but the quartern loaf gets up, sugar gets up,
and the fellows get less to eat. Then they find out
what. is the meaning of spending 100,000,0001. Do
you think your manufactories will go on at this rate ?
I am pretty sure they will not ; and then what will your
newspapers—those great lights and great guides—do ?
Why, they will turn the other way. Depend upon it,
if you are goaded on to war by false representa-
tions now, you will be goaded into a dishonourable
peace by false representations hereafter. I think if you
make up your minds like men, say, and stand to it, that
you will not consent to carry on this war single-banded
into the heart of Russia. I have not the smallest objec-
tion to take military possession of Constantinople, and to
say Russia shall not come in there ; but beyond that I
am not disposed to go. That is the object for which we
went to war. We are told now we are to unite with

Austria in the progress of civilisation. What! Austria,
that has now for the first time in the world given up the
whole of its subjects bound hand and foot, body and
soul, unto the Pope. Is that part of the progress of
civilisation ? Why, Turkey, bad as she is—Russia, bad
as she is—are infinitely better than Austria. They may,
systematically, for their own advantage, intend to and
do wilfully keep the people in ignorance ; they don't,
however, exert themselves to do so, they simply take no
notice of them. But in the instance of Austria the Pope
has positively been permitted to say to the people,—
" You shall not learn ; it is true that the Creator has
written you a book, but I, one of his creatures' tell you
that that book will do you no sort of good, and that you
shall not read it." This you may call civilisation, but I,
who look strictly at things, and not at words, say it is
not civilisation. We will not be blinded and hoodwinked
by words. It may be weak, it may be ridiculous, but,
translate it as you will, it is despotism in its grossest
form, and I will contend against it. It is stated in the
papers, and I have seen in the papers such expressions
as, ,4 We can't understand the member for Surrey." I
don't care a firthing whether they understand me or
not, but I hope you will understand me. lam anxious
that you should do so ; you may see from the past that
I have never deceived you, and I will act as honestly as
I have ever done. (Cheers.)
Mr. HARWOOD having proposed "The health of the
Borough Members,"
Mr. MANGLES returned thanks. He observed that
although he had not intended to address them on the
war, his friend, Mr. Austen, had sounded the trumpet
so loudly that lie felt it might be mislnderstood by some
of those " mercantile, speculations" to which his hon.
friend bad alluded if he refrained from doing so. He had
observed at agricultural gatherings all over the country,
that members of Parliament present had almost invari-
ably, either at the request of their constituents or of
their own motion, directed the attention of their audi-
ence to that great subject which at the present moment
enlisted, and, in fact, almost engrossed the attention of
the nation—he meant the war. (Hear.) He had given a
silent vote for the inquiry into the state of the army be-
fore Sebastopol, and claimed greater credit for that vote
inasmuch as in giving it he had voted against his ratty.
' His bon. friend, Mr. Drummond, belonged to no party,
and therefore could not vote against his friends, (A

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laugh.) With respect to what had fallen from him that
evening, he (Mr. Mangles) would observe that in some
of the points he entirely concurred with his hon. friend,
but with regaryi to others—if he might use the expres-
sion—he agreed with a difference. He cordially con-
curred with him in expressing his sympatthy foi Turkey.
He cordially agreed in defending the little man who was
struck by the.big bully. It was alwsys wise to do right,
and it was right to stand up for justice in this world
against the strong and powerful wrong-doer. (Cheers.)
But his sympathy and the sympathy of the nation went
beyond that. It was impossible—after reflecting upon
the enormous military resources of Russia, after seeing
how year after year that empire had enlarged itself, and
after witnessing her vast accumulation of military power
and strength in the Crimea—not to arrive at the. conclu-
sion that sooner or later the struggle must have come,
unless we were prepared to submit to CoroAck and Tar-
tar domination. (Hear, and cheers.) It would pro-
bably have come in this generation, but, if not, cer
tainly it must have fallen with redoubled force upon our
children. The military power of Russia appeared to
have been growing year after year in an •accumulative
ratio, and if we had not, through Ged's providence' risen
up to oppose it, no man living could tell to what fearful
results it might not have led. • (Cheers.) There I agree
with my hon. friend. But my hon. friend sre ke rather
vaguely upon another point. Some one, he observed—
he eid not say who—but some one had said that this was
a war for the protection of Turkey ; and now they had
changed their note and said it was a war for civilisation.
He (Mr. Mangles) did not think that any man who had
the slightest claim to the possession lof commo3 sense
would wish that this country should go out as a scat of
knight-errant for the sake of civilisation, attacking this
nation or defending that for the sake of carrying out an
abstract principle under the denomination of the pro-
gress of civilisation. But it was a very different thing
to say it *au for civilisation, meaning thereby that it
was a war for the sake of disputing the inroad of bar-
barism and the insults of a barbarous and despotic em-
pire. (Hear, and cheers.) In that sense a war for the
advance of civilisation was a very proper war—(hear)—
and in that sense this war was a just and righteous war.
(Renewed cheers.) It was a war to press back—as he
hoped the allies would succeed in doing—to their forests,
their steppes, and their morasses those Tartars and Cos-
sacks who would otherwise trample down the civili.a-
tion, and, with that civilisation, the liberties of Europe
under their feet. (Loud cheers.) In that sense he could
not agree with his hon. friend, for he did not think that
the allies were justified in carrying on this war in de-
fence of civilisation against barbarism, and that the
cause they had in hand was a righteous one. (Hear )
There was another point also in which he agreed with
his lion. friend, with a difference. He believed with
him, that the Emperor of the French was truly and
sincerely desirous of peace ; but did not they all de-
sire peace ? He believed that every Engishman of
intelligence and humanity, not only in that room but
in the country at large, was desirous of pe ice. But
what sort of a peace did the Emperor of Ithe Preach
desire ? Why the description of peace at which we
were all aiming—a peace which promised to be a lasting
one—(cheers)—a peace, in fact, which should bind the
Emperor of Russia to keep the peace. (Renewed cheer-
ing.) Not such a peace as would last for a few weeks or
months, or even for a year or two, and then that the
nations should have to go to war again. No person could
deprecate the horrors of war more than he did ; no per-
soil was more anxious to stop the effusion of blood and
the expenditure of treasure, which tended to exhaust the
very life and sinews of a country ; but it was for that
very reason that he should wish to see such steps taken
as should effectually secure the country from the recur-
rence
of such scenes. Ilis hon. friend desired to know
what the people wanted. Ho (Mr. Mangles) believed the
people wanted what the Government were looking for,
and what all men, be was sure, roost ardently desired, an
honourable and lasting peace—a peace of such a charac-
ter that it should be worthy of the name—and not one
that in a short time would turn out a mockery, a delu-
sion, and a seam. (Cheers.) The lion. gentleman then
proceeded to direct his attention exclusively to agricul-
tural matters, upon which he spoke at some length, rind
concluded by expressing his thanks for the honour they
hail done hint.

SSeveral other toasts of a local character followed, and
the pi iz to the successful candidates having he,;:n
awarded the meeting separated.

CAP TAIN ECOBELL AND MR. TITE ON
THE WAR.

At the dinner given by the Bath and West of England
Agricultural Society, on Tuesday, on the health of the
members for the city being given, the hon. members re-
turned thanks, and, amongst other topics, thus alluded to
the 'car

Capt. SCOBELL having briefly referred to the subject of
agriculture, said he would now direct their attention to
question of paramount insportance—nainely, the war.
'With respect to the cause of this war it was hardly worth
looking back upon ; but he would say that that cause
was sufficient for us to draw this conclusion—that if we
had not gone to war when we did, we should very soon
have had to do it under greater disadvantages. Thera
was no question that the artful proceedings and ambi-
tion of Russia were so fixed, so moulded, and so en-
treieled into every part of Europe where she could
reach by diplomacy, and she had such a deep laid
scheme to get within her power the territory which
now belonged to Turkey, thet, if she had succeeded,
her strength would have teen so great that no Ma❑
could tell what the consequences would have been to
the liberties of Europe. In that sense we were really
contending for liberty—(applause)—we were contend-
ing for freedom ; for so sure as Russia prevailed, so
sure would there be slavery, or attempts, at least, to
enslave the world, and create a great military go-
vernment. (Applause.) We had therefore something
to tight for in the matter ; but we had to thank Pro-
vidence that, if we had to fight, we at least had fought
bravely—that we had done our duty well, and that
our soldiers from the moment they landed at Alma up
to the present day, bad fought in a manner that had
not even been exceeded in the Peninsula, great and
glorious as its battles were. Here our soldiers had
fought against misfortunes against difficulties and
sickness —against every calamity that could betel an
army—against the want of clothing and provisions ;
and yet nobly had they fought in spirit as well as in
holy. (Applause.) And well had they behaved, and
proud should we be of them. All he wished was that we
could see greater advantages held out to every class of
our army. (Applause.) Many advances had been made
teveards improving the condition of the officers, and
rightly so too. They had many advantages now which
they had not before. If they died in battle the money
they gave for their commissions was returned to the
families that they left behind them. Then, again, there
were pensions given to this officers' widows. Ile only
wished we could see this system in some way extended
to the private soldiers. (Applause.) lie as notch laid
down his life as the officer did ; but the difference was
this, that though we gave the private soldier a small
pension as long as he live i, if he died in battle, or from
want after battle, his family did not get a penny from
the country. He did wish that could be remedied. (Ap-
plause.) It would not be so extravagant as some might
suppose ; because a very small assistance would do for
the widow to the close of life. He questioned if it was
not worth consideration to devise a plan that the fami-
lies of the men who died in behalf of their country should
not be forgotten. (Applause.) Now, we Lad heard a
good deal of " the right man in the right place." We
had three commautlers-inchief Jour gallant army in the
Crimea. He would not comment on him who was dead,
Lord Raglan. He believed he was a gallant soldier.
We had now displaced another general who had ruled
that army. He had been recalled, or, as stated, ho had
resigned, but it amounted to this, that somehow or other
there was not full trust placed in him. Now we hal a
third ; he trusted we should find that third to be " the
right !nen in the right place." (Applause.) This was
of vast consequence to us, not only for cur national
glory and satisfaction, but as the dispensers and payers
of immense sums of money to carry on the war success-
fully. Fighting side by side with a noble French army,
and with a small army of Sardinians, it was also of equal
importance that we should take care to establish our
military reputation. On some occasions we had not been
so successful, but he trusted that whenever the day of
battle came the army of England would be found to stand
in a high position with our noble Where in beating down
the common enemy. Now with respect to that noble vic-
tory already achieved—the fall of Sebastopol. He
trusted it would be the means of promoting a peaceful
issue of the contest. There we saw the whole of the
enemy's fleet lying under the sea and annihilated, and
the whole of that city was in a perfect state of ruin. He
hoped, if we once got to the north side, something would
be done to annihilate that harbour of Sebastopol ; and
here he was about to mention an idea that he had never
heard mentioned before ; he trusted that those high Mlle
which stood on the banks of the harbour of Sebastopol,
would be laid low and the valley filled up with them.
(Applause.) He would fill the harbour up with the hills
that stood abcve it, and pull down the immense houses
that were standing. This would be no great undertak-
ing for the thousands of men we had there. If we only
gave the Russians the opportunity to do it, we should
find their line-of-battle ships floating in the harbour of
Sebastopol once again. Now they had met to-day to re-
ward merit ; and he did not know a more delightful
task. They were about to distribute premiums to those
who had produced the "right ox in the right place."
There was the fairest competition, and no favour. He
only wished he could say the same of the army and navy.
He wished there was the same fair competition between
Man and wan, officer and officer, as there was in this
society, and in the awarding of its premiums. But such
was the state of things (and he spoke more particularly
as to the navy) that a great many men were longer in
getting the first step than men of family influence were
in getting four steps ; or, in other words, many men
were longer in rising to be midshipmen than others in
retching the position of post captain, which was tanta-
mount to that of colonel. Such was the state of things
under a political admiralty—an admiralty that was con-
stantly dosing its followers by political gifts, and thereby
pushing on men of Parliamentary, or any other casual
interest., to the exclusion often of men of merit. Far
be it from him to say that there might not be men of in-
terest and merit too ; and be did not care hew fag. they

more fairness, more equality, and more consistency, and
more comforniably to the original intention in the fram-
ing of the army and navy. (Applause.) Having now
glanced at the war, he would point to two great conso-
lations that we had in connection with it. While the
loss of life had been immense, even on our side, and on
the French greater than ours, that of the Russians had
been almost incalculable. We had, however, the conso-
lation of a firm, and, he hoped, enduring friendship with
Fiance. (Applause.) He thought is was a hopeful sign
that we who were called "ancient enemies " should now
at last find out that it was our interest, and he believed
inclination, henceforth, to be firm and fast allies. Two
nations, such as France and England, struggling against
each other only made them the laughing-stock of Europe.
The people of the Continent saw two of the most power-
ful nations on the earth weakening each other, and only
exulted at their weakness. But when they were united
fur a good purpose, they might almost guide Europe and
the world, and they would always be able to promote
the prosperity, happiness, and welfare of mankind.
(Applause.) He sincerely trusted that nothing would
ever be done by this country, as he believed there was
no intention on the part of France by the extraordi-
nary man who governed that nation, to dissever the
attachment that now existed, and that they would go
on in brotherhood for many generations. (Loud ap-
plause.) The othercansolation was that which was known
as Administrative Reform. The offices of the govern-
went had got too much into the hands of families—too
much in particular associations. Now, however, they were
a little departing from that. There was now, he was
glad to say, a tendency to soften down these monopolies,
and he trusted that tendency would extend further—
that in Church and State, and in all those services on
which the welfare of the nation so much depended that
greater equality and fairness would prevail, and that ad-
ministrative reform would be carried out fully and fairly.
(Applause.) With respect to the prospects of peace, he
was one of those who thought that we really ought to
teach Russia that her ambition must be kept down, and
that she cotrM not with impunity give vent to those
angry and selfish passions which guided her into this
war. (Applause.) We must also get safe securities ;
and he trusted that we should accept none that were not
safe. (Applause.) He knew there was no way of get-
ting a safe peace but by fighting for it. We must win
it by the sword when once the sword was drawn. (Ap-
plause.) If we could keep the sword in the scabbard it
would be a blessing, but after the sword was drawn, it
was he who could last the longest and could strike the
hardest who would get the best terms. (Applause.) It
was just like two individual,—if one man seized another
by the throat, and that person were thrown down to the
ground, he must defend himself or be crushed. There-
fore, we were fairly justified in having gone into the war
—we were justified in carrying on the war; but we
were not justified in carrying it on a single moment
longer than we could procure honourable, safe, and up-
right terms of peace. (Applause.) He trusted that day
was not far off, but if it were, he would as cheerfully as
any other man urge that we proceed with it. We must
expect taxes. It was wonderful how fast the money
flow. He (Captain Scobell) knew something of the last
war, but he thought money had been flying at a most
extravagant rate. The House of Commons did not like
to pull up, for fear that it should be said, if any blunders
were made, that they would not !give the money, and
therefore the blunders be put on the representatives
of the people. (Applause.) The money was certainly
flying very fast. It had got up to 90,000,0001. last
year, including the interest of the debt ; this year it
might be something more. The result would be, of
course, that ultimately there would be some scrutiny
into the manner in which the money had been expended.
With respect to the transport service, nothing could have
been more extravagant. lie believed the transports had
been bought all of them over and over again. Those that
had been in the service from the beginning of the war had
been purchased by the money paid for the tonnage and
the hire of them. (Applause.) He hoped this would be
looked into; but that no steps would be taken that
would curtail anything in carrying on the war with
effect, and that in future we should more effectually ex-
pend our money without at ail crippling the public
service.

Mr. TITE having alluded to the advantages which ag-
riculture derived from associations such as that which
ho was addressing, said he would refer to the war.
(Applause.) The whole mind and feeling of England was
embarked, he believed, in this question. It was a war
which appeared to him one of the holiest, he was going
to say, in which we had ever embarked. We went into

it with no purpose of getting an increase of our glory or
a4erandiseinent, or to add to our land or territories ;
but we went into it to succour the weak against the
attack of the strong. (Applause.) If that were the right
view of the question, surely we had a right to expect
that the blessing of God would, sooner or later, rest
upon it. (Applause.) A war in which we bad embarked
a ith such views was not a war of a common kind, and
though war was certainly one of the greatest trials that
a nation could lie vi-iced with, yet, at the same time, he
could scarcely conceive a war, associated as we were with
our great Idly, France, in which we could embark with
more credit to ourselves., and out of which we could come
%vita more credit as a nation. (Applause.) As to the pro-
specte of peace, he confessed they appeared to his mind
riot to be very flattering. Hedoubted anything that came
fie in Austria ; she could hardly be sincere now any more
than she was sincere twelve months ago. If the had
been sincere then, the war might soon have been put an
end to. However that might be (lied his earnest aspira-
tion was that it might tarn out to he true), he trusted
that, if they lived to meet another year in Bath, they
might see this terrible war at an end, and be once again
living in peace, beating their swords into ploughshares.
(Applause.) He hoped this [night be so, but he very
much doubted It. When a nation spoke out as the Eng-
lish people had dune (and as he had no doubt the people
of Bath would speak out), it was the duty of the Legis-
lature, as leading the people, to carry out the war firmly,
honestly, and honourably, and to seek a peace that would
be lasting, that we aid our children might never again
have to contemplate the horrors we had lied to think of,
nor meet the difficulties that we had had to contend
with. It could only be taking a far bolder attitude than
we took at the beginning cf this war. (Applause.) If
we had done that we should not have had the war in
existence to-day. Let the grins of peace be such as
Englishmen might net be ashamed of. It had often been
said that England always lost by diplomacy what she
gained by valour. He hoped the time would come when
that reproach would be removed from us, and that our
present Government would not patch up a peace leading
to difficulty and confusion hereafter, when we might
have to open the question again without the allies we
at present boasted of, and without the feeling of the pee.
p!e, and the great cause we now had to support us. His
teiend (Copt. Scobeli) had suggested the filling up of the
harbour of Sebastopol. Ile should like to see it. There
was one point about the terms of peace which he had
never seen adverted to. We had heard of the four points,
but he wished to know why Russia should not be made
to pay her share of the cost of the war ? (Applause.) He
recollected that the time was when a peace was made
with France, and when she was, unhappily, humbled at
the end of the great war, that she was called upsn to
pay her millions towards the war in which we had then
embarked. He recollected, again_, the Chinese war (in
reference to which he was not sure that we were as mo-
r right as in the present) when that people were
called upon to pay mildons, and would any one tell him
why Russia should not be called upon to pay her mil-
lions also ? It might be that this was Quixotic, it might
be that we should be asking too much, but it did appear
to him that that was the Inc de (politically .Teak-
fno,) by which we must make Russia feel. Her ag.
grandisement must recoil on herself by pressure on her
flounces. With respect to the question of Administra-
tive Reform, lie believed that a great deal of good had
been done by the discussion of that subject. The lull
discussion by a nation of any wrong or grievance was
good and useful to that country, especially a nation
such ai this, where every man had the power to make
his grievance heard, and where, through the freedom of
our institutions, men could make those grievances heard
and listened to. In conclusion, Mr. Tite observed that
he hoped it would be his happiness at the end of the
next year (whether he was their member or not) to meet
them again, and congratulate them on cultivating the
arts of peace, instead of having to think of the horrors
of war. (Loud applause.)