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THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

nominated by the Lonl Chancellor and Lords Lieutenant. If
every Loral Chancellor would be like the present Lord Cbancellor
the country would have little to fears but Chancellors, lords
Lieutenant, and Magistrates. would be Mond with party feeltngs
that would ruin those establishments the Noble Viscount was
anxious tootph•rve. The Noble Earl considered the cower given
to the nivistrates a deep inroad on the rights and I.berties of tile
pool de. Ile expressed a sincere hope that measures of this character
would have the shortest duration. Ile could never consent to
let the Bill exist longer than two years at utmost. The Noble
Earl expressed his satisfaction at the introduAion of a measure
in tie other Howse for a practical Reform iu the abuses of repre-
sentation. Ile had never. however, believed that the distresses
of the country arose out of errors in either branch of the Omni-
tutien, nor did he suppose those dis WSJ:ea could be prevented by
any ittlyrili 113111:01 WIWI•All could adopt. They had been
occasioned by war into which the people of England in 17'13
were too anxious to engage. The Noble Earl concluded by
stating, that it was his intention to move in the Coannittee, than
the duration of the Bill be limited to two years.
Lord KING objected to the principle of the Bill, •.n the
ground that it was part of a system of coercion, not justified by
necessity. Adverting to the state of the country, he regretted
that no enquiry had been allowed, with respect to the trans-
actions Manchester. It was only to be accounted tin by
supposing that 11111.1stArS would not set in judgment upon
themselves. The greatest danger they had to apprehend pro-
ceeded from the detiamined spirit of Government, xad the
adoption of coercive measures.
Lord HOLLAND sa,d lie felt sn much repugnance to the
present Hill. that lie could not have the I louse, notwithstanding
'• the overwhelming majority" with which it would, no doubt,
be carried. without delivering his sentiments in a few words. He
did not intend to Mil& the !louse, and should reserve the more
iktaileclexpresition of his renuiments to a future occasion. He
considered this Bill as au unconstitutional, foolish, and mischie-
vous measure: unconstitutional, because it went to flitter away

the inherent right of Englishmen to meet and express their
opinion, and to make the exercise of that right a c punish-
able in the most ignominious manner—foolish. because it did
riot go to prevent tumultuous meetings unless they mei for
disvussion, as he would show when he came to consider the
question more minutely ; and therefore it did net prevent the
coils it professed to destroy—and mischievous. beiause lor the
reasons stated by 1.6 Noble Friend it %wild woven open tumult
into secret conspiracy, sod would substitute for clamour and
nonsene the dagger of the a+sas•in. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion
his Lordship said, he should vow against going into the
Committee.

The question was then put fur going into the Comniittee on
Monday next, which was carried in we affirmative without a
division. •

The question was next put on the instruction to the Committee,
niove.l by the Lai of Csrnarvon, for limiting the Bill to the Ist
of July 18*2 ; on this a division was demanded and took place.
The numbers were—

Contents itf• I Non-Contents 37
Proxies 111-163 Proxies 78-133
Majority 97
The Louse adjourned at two o'cioek.
SATU&DAY. DEC. 18.
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This day the Lords being met, the (commons were surnmofted
to attend, when a Commission was read, appointing the Atch-
bishop of f'antethury, the Lord Chancellor, and Lord Ilarrowby,
Commissioners, tin the purpose of giving the !loyal Assent to
•• An Act lin continuing to his Aikparty certain duties un malt.
sugar. and snuff, in Great Britain, and on pensions, others, and
per,unitl estates in England. for the mince of the year lbitt;"
and also •• An Act to authorize Justices of the Peace in certain
disturbed counties to seize and detain anus collected or kept for
purposes dangerous to the public prate, to continue until the
:15th day of Match, Ibt2.' After which the !louse .uJjourned
to Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
3110/iDIf, DEC. 13.
BREACH OE PRIVILEGE.

Mr. COURTENtY moved the Ostler of the Day for
the Cahill,: of Mr. Moder' to the liar.

Mr. ECI.ICF. tali, he would twee the trouble of the
Haase, by station, that John Cain Hobhouse, a friend of
was the author of the pdrt of which had
been complained of.; that gi tat lemon, be Witi hosh ucteJ to
say, would readily attend the House.
Mr. COUUTENAY thought the winter aught to be
culled. •

Robert Stodatt was then eallest. The pamphlet having
been shewn to him, he said he pnblistn•d it, and added,
that it was written by John Cans Hnhisituie.

Air. COURTEN.Of then soared. that the pzlmer:be
diacharged, and that Juhu Cant Hobbes., do attend tu-
muli me.

Mr. ELLICE said, Mr. H. was eider town, on account
of the irdispositiois of his father; but he would attend
u• ..... rrow, if requ led.
Mr. TIEIINEY asked, fur what purpose was Mr. Huh-
.
bruise to attend? (Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER ob rI, that the Whist' was ascer-
tained, them was no occasion to order the attendance of
the particular individual; it teas not orsential to any atm.
riur proceeding that inigist lee contemplated.
Mr. COL/WIEN A y again rose, and proceeded to read
from a report on their privileges, that those privileges
were part of the law of Parliament, that toe lan of Par-
liament was part of the law of the land, and that it was
essential to support theist as the tissulanserital protection
of Pal 'lament anti the People. He ilirrefure felt warranted
in pursuing 1114 course. He deemed it more coned than
that of a prosecution by the Attorney-General. It was
riot a doubtful question; it was a contempt of the House;
a al lie tbrrefoie thuaght that the House ought to ;steered
to commitment for such contempt. tie esuil.l make ailaw
for irritated tidings, ur hasty productions; he
could snake apologies fur the crude productions ut tot
sillily Journalist, but lie could not ulit r suds rseille fer-
tile deliberate slander and libel contained in this pam-
phlet. He concluded with solos ing, that the pamphlet
rtillt.ilited a 11C111.1410114 librl on the House, and that its it
war calculated to iiillaare the people to arts of violence
against the Legislature. snit particielai ly this House, and
was therrfin r a high lova. Is ut the privilege and CUllstitit-
half or this fbilive.

Abe it. witiliuts britic put, the aye!' were loud, an .I Sir
P Howlett Solid "Nu!" in a distinct tone.-31uhult
.g 1 era

that 31,. Midmost. be committed to Netvgate for
,torti

.11e. ELLICE; oliterseJ, that feeling what was likely
Ia lir Int It mu", assJ hating al e.ot Iltelaloilp tort Mr.
111..oltototr, lle 114441 V114,114.ti the tettereileoltate step io
n, hr 11441 It attia.l that little watt Ito place 19
I. ex....t.1 in a root,. will, a 4 MlVieted It tun.

INN 1111•1•1*ell. that the tlr., strp must be to
.•L•s Mr. H to Le t.skros lOW the coblutly el the berjt eel
Anu., ttu•tr ov, iv °direr.
Ti. sPEAKEit said, that litre were instances where
ill r order hail beta railvitceil as 1110Ved ; slid his %sat rants

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would be, first to take Mr. H. Into custody, Wen to convey
Unit individual to N,u gate.

Mr. Alderman W 061) lamented to say that the stale
of the prison was such as to pi erlnde the ides or sending
411 individual of Mr. H's respectability ►lereet but at the
saute lime Were erre anemia of making better arrange-
ments within %slut was called Newgine. (Hear.)
Sir K. BURDETT said, this wits a very hard cave
against Mr. Hohhoine. He would out defend gruss lan-
guage; but lie denied that it was siscreptible of the
inference charged, that of inciting the. exescise of thine
force.

. .
Lord CASTLERF:AGH role to order—the question of
libel Ise,l
Mr. BROUGHANI agreed in this; Intl said.. e whole
quic,tiim might be reviewed..
. .

8:r F. tilCittllETT replied, that ha oeristiely had io.
tended to su i►►ta the (lacono') of libel, but he was to
plead in mitigation it ►emir !. He sho►►ld refer to the
.11.,1 ming Post.
Mr. WYNNE rose to order. He was against a Neon.
paper being read there, lir.olvt, oas one bleach of
privilege to be usged as jtliglfiC4llUll of iillOthet
. . . .

..
Sir V. litilillE'll I kuevr nut whet r he had been die_
orderly. lie denied that there was any breach of pri-
g, 11w—it am+ only eats' tuctively so. Ile must refer to
theithr. Hive Poi/. .0
. . . . . .. ...

Alt. defended the lion. Baronet, and
was ahouti to show u hat had beau dune with imptstail,.
litiew.rioeis were not to he read, why were pamphlet•?
(Hear.)—The Hun. Alemher retil pages of this
bin nobody got up then and eselaitued " muer, older,
down with your pamphlets.
The aPEAKI•.II ouserveil, that the gitettion of libel was
disposed of, but it was open to speak in exteuttation, end
then ri ter to other mitt els. lie certaudy could slut are
what distinction there could he bet aces, pamphlets mid
newspapers—(Hear, beat 8)--11. otaer cut .tat wallt-rs wets
itstrutitte,tl its rhtts•taltuu of tier case, and theta proved
really to be more severe, Alembers mete bound to prefer
complains. Ile hoped Alembeis would slot make an
injudicious use of the freedom of debete mud the ps.hi-
lege& extended to them.
. . . . .

Sir F. ittlituErr said he should now abandon that
course which he had intended to pursue ; but when the
question as to seudistx to New gate mite before the House
se should thew trouble the lionve.
St...tn.:tea weir theta ordered to withdraw fur a
he numbers urn.:
Fur the motion. ........ 198
For the niueistinsentt . 6.1

Majority Cur the commitment to Steeple 133
The worsens issued accordingly.
Mr. BARNET I' pieseitierl a Petition from Rochester
against Sedition% Meetings Bill.
Mr. CALVERT piescistrd a Petition fiom Sonthreask
against toe New tills. Souse Clunances ought to be
made fur the disteesses of trade; all who complauscd
()light not to be called Kodical Kelso niers.
Sir It. W I ESON said, this Pctitima merited Ilse alien-
lius the House. He tru.sed the Dill would out pass.
He might uut again address the House doling the present
Seamen' ; but whatever might be the penalty, hr aunhl
;At:Meet the honour of iii. taisitly against iturniciliniy
'Eltere was yet consulaiion ilial the chains which were
!Urging would so gall mail chafe, that the 'incubi y of Chu
pain would tse a guarraidee etviust the duration of Bre
sy stem.
Petition ordered to lie on the table.
The 31isdemeasimsr Bill was iced a liist time, and or-
dered to be read a snood t• •vu Wedoesday.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the third leading of
the Seditious Meetings riteention Dill.
Lord A. HAMII.I ON sispproted the Bill, which he
dial wills path and regret, tort be did su uo facts. The
sight ea Petitiuniug had been lautorioisAy abased to the
lawny of other., and so as to bring the sight itself into
question.
Mr. J. %CARTON proposed a clause to the erect of
authorising the attendance of reporters to newspapers sit
public meeting., although stranger, to the place, on their
sending iis their names to Cie ta.agtstrate 24 hours before the
met ling.
Lord CASTLEREAGH objected to the introduction of
repenters us nosy distinct hind) tecogiosed in our legislation,
mid hiersted 0 it's pat titular piiVileges, Itit iangers to the
comity, purists, or distr.el, the inlialtitauts of whit h respect.
;rely posed the meeting, he saw 1111 reason for considering
them in tiny other light than straogtis by any clause us the
bid The usaystrales may grant them foolities of admission
if they saw nu irlijectimis It was true as had been stated
by an IlunoUrnhle Mrinber, that the reports of the pro-
creoings of public nu:clings in the public Journals bad
sometimes warded the comm.y of its dorri,er ; but it ans at
the same t.ine not to be ilen.rd, that the danger had often
!sett tocreased by alai mini; and fallacious reports. lie was
uiwnlhug to allow this (las, of oessous any rights by this net
n heels they did not previously posst as ; nod thin to give a
pretence stir the adults b 1 111 l oh strivigess.
Mr. 'II ERNE Y said, that the ouniber might be limited
to three or four, and thus a part of the N utile Lord's ohj‘ c•
non might be obi hued ; but the Noble Lot d nhjected Ut
the pi iticsple of adsaiiiing reporters altogeteer. (No, mi.)
Lod C tsTLEKEAIiII said, he merely oltireled to the
clami of a right. A magistrate, abu saw 1111 reason for
eArluding them, might groin them Mellows of adults,
Mr. TI hit N f.l did 111/l I.lle a tuag-sirate, ti ithoot
some aolhorsty in the act, could authorise the atteudauce of

Lard e A sTLI:itEAoIi said, the utaAist rates (Quid intro-
duce their own officers and ustost.iists, thsiu,;le strangers. and
if the) chase they issi‘ht brio", ui tiirsrltilOrterb,lll,l.l4 I help.
Mr. Alderman 1V A 11'11M AN bind, the 'rumor %hit h the
Noble I.otl opposite (Castle'sth) had gisielt for the richt-
/Milt of repot ICI,, a..., its his (pi the wows* ground
t."l "elf adwisssou. Tile Noble Lord had witted, that Gil-
lacitrus repurti hod been isruiragMed, and produced danger.
A. educe lepusla meat always ,„u abroad, 1..11111t1 .1 1114 he
bei ter Spadini! reports (ruin r.spetluble to% villier•• *ll9
were men of s ducatiu.s. Who had vicir,,t-tera at Make, and
*mild be MI to nruid snisrepre rotation, limo allow
statements up get 11110 C1f1:111.41011 lltsutio the mediums of
individual's less qualified
Mr: J. tilt IN l'.—The twsgis'rate could not connive
at rrennYrr. a stroussera %ere oraesed to au haul*.
Att. 11C ee COli11:0.41Cd, 11 ..N Me hill, toe wringer by
trihithawould incur tlw pesiait u of a stronaer.
*Lilco au. Ode dud iiiii rut, Our Could toe .thigattrato
pouter him isgoilat 1.. r informer a his aowd .ia.re tat tine.
tie ( tir. tiunia) iiould propose 11 Clause obviating the
olojection to a dative said, r dapco.ion, a Own gave a right to
atteed, %bile it at the same toue prottattd the reporters

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(loin the penalties attaching on other strangers. Ile would
propose to give the magistrates n pow. r to refose or enure
admission to reporters en their disereti .. . The Note() Lord
bad not brought forward the clause which lie laid given hope.
to expect 011 a former night ; and, therefore, he ( lr. Home.)
felt al bil del) 10 propose one. 'rue lithium-I;We Member
wax proceeding, when
The SPEA K EK suggested that the close of Mr. Wharton
w 110 t yet disposed of, and that till them nu other could he
received.

Mr. COURTEN %Y then moved, John Cam Hoblionse
had been guilty of such lireach of privilege.—Ageeed to;
with the dissenting " No" of Sir F. Burdett.—Mr. Coin-
teney also moved. as an intermediate step, that Mr. Hub-
/sonic be committed to the Nerjeaist at Arms So-night.
Mr.BROUGHAM deemed this to be a 'my unneces-
sary. step a .evviity. Mr. Hobltouse was absent to see
Isis father, who was very ill; aud why should this course
he pnrimeil ?
Mr. COURIENEY was quite amazed at this observe-
aion. He wade She intermediate minim in compliance
milli the wish of Mr. H.'s mend. There was now no
Intermediate course left for hint; he should theiefore
rise motion of Mr. Wharton was 'lieu put and oegutived
without a division.

Mr. iiij%lE then rend his el:1114P, proposing In make it
hinted fora Lieuteoanl, a Sheriff, a Juauce aline l'eoce.
4.• admit reporters to public meetings Nino giving their
name, their plate of abode. ale. It was In he left fa the
discretion of the inkcistrate wbills.sr he ovoid grant nifints.)
VMS or not. but baying the Tower to admit, it in;ght be
expected that he woul4 list refuse to exerrise it.
.

bit tbis e1:m.4.116e tf °use divided
For it dal Aguinit it, 241 t Miijority, 17

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When we were re-ivl•nitted into tae 'starry, we round
Mr. C. MU rcuINSON Inuring it cluar., that the hill
tiLoultl ant extend to litiand.
Mr. PLUNK 1:11. xotd that the members for Ireland
agreed'', the rut ta,iou of the boll to their country, because
they felt tb it there evattd a warm ul viuleike tad intim
riatinn

Hr. TIERNEY said, that he cou'd not help etisressin:
tis astmoi.loneut at the inconsistency of the Noble Lord',
'conduct. They had had report► of committees, and alsrat •
inc reports t kes had hien. to lan. I lie rosprosoto at tile
habeas carom. hid hero founded open thew mouth., but
Ireland sr o hen. th•d the eat on sit
Ireland ❑t 1811 W.lll a _and reason tor iorltinin.t it 1111 Isl 9,
11( ciluid we no reason for it. (Hear, lob. )

Lorin/ CASrLf.IGII dented ,hat the flange was groan/
no ISi7. Fair rvtl now wa, more s.eiviiiatic and more
dangerous Shut in 11117. In extending the tura ure ro
whci tni4nt sip no duitaist timid( hr riqisrill. it
wos.therefory h• tier to gi•e it at mire, (A I itt.m.)
NI-. lilt 011 (i IA %I su.t, I ISA Ihr reason attigned by the
Kohl_ Load for mouldering thr clanger greater now I
Int 7, appeared to be very nnumie.d, fhe d.s,i err uere
venter. % Because in Intl the Nohle Load was
ratiracd with a c 1111 l MOO 1k.1% a rod of reoreo.on
seas used.-(lp;sr.)-- in list I we wanted but uoe twasure..
NOW Ili; iv ar appit it. II was ienviri...bir that gentl. men
so wall) forintr former ',vents, rod drought each mem ming
p.. rind the world the mold ever raw. liner or fuer pt nods
oftins kind 'mottled in tbecouire of rwrry tu.tti s lite, ,ach
boroming its karst, she work that 4111 s ever kuoa is. Toe
/Sable Lord had fnr“..itten he did mu blame him. for 01 did
11—but lie boil quite fati gui len Site dangers in IYI7. Hr might
prthaps be confounding in some ineittnie what had nee.,
provost in a court or jutilien afterriaids n ill. parts of the
repseis ; but let his nicht lion. fraud (Alr..Pitioitirsi)
look at the reports, and it be could ray that the ice e- •
ovulation of our slanger 'tone was greater, he (Mr.
BrOnnliant) would not claim 111.11 Ville 111/On the 'item HI
question. (Hear. hear.) There had been the Stivoccasi
+pitons, 'the landholder was to be plum/vied, but the
fosidlsoltler was to be rootud out as a eniimser And yet
we were DON told that we were in a wore Cale that! 111
Intr.