The National Register.
London, England, 1821-05-14 00:00:00

THE NATIONAL REGISTER

The Kul of SHAF I'ESBUitY read the report nf a enm-
tce of privileges, by which it appriireil that John Earl
of Pol till 1111 100 had mane good his I iglit to rota at the
Ikction of Lish Irprc.rlliative picks.
The Sonth Loudon gas and coke bill went through a
committee.
The house adjourned to Mor.iiity.

DOUSE OF CONINIONS.
MONDAY, Matt t.
The speaker took the chair at hall ;past three o'clock.
tlr.Qu:u me, the depot,/ ii..ber of the black rod, soon
al IVlNards sin 1111 l omit the li ,ii'e to attend in the house
Peers, to hear the royal a, sent given, by commission, to
a public bill; and on his rutur❑ the speaker informed the
house that the royal assent hail been given to the Hank
Cash Pa)meuta bill.
Mr. DENbON presented a petition fronoVandssenrtio,
against the Newington Sh lect Vestry bill. The petition
was unanimously itAt era lo; the petitioners desired to
oppose the hill, as it would lake out of the hands of their
paiishioners all controtal ovcl the public purse.
Petition read tupl ordered to be printed.
Mr. W. SAI Flit presented a similar petition from the
Fishmongers' Company.
Mr. 11AKING presented a petition from merchants of
London I&dative to a pi oposed measure regulating the
Lulls sugar duties. .111 e hon. member spoke of the
difficulties that would be in the way of discriminating be-
tween the different iptalitics of the sngais in iipiestion ;
and of the impossibility there was to impose regidationm
and restiictions that would not be vexations instead of
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Petition read—it was against any alteration of the
existing ditties.
Geo. GASCOYNE presented a similar petition from
DWI chants and snip-ow nets of User pout—but as the bill
was not before the house, ha should not gu into any
üb-
srrviuions on the subject, as it would be anticipating Mat
discussion which would Inure piiiptirly arise on a ',Attire
occasion.—Petition read, and mile' ed to lie on the table.
Sir J. NEWPORT presented a petition from Watt' Turd
against toe Corn Averages• bill.
Mr. HARE presented a petition from sgriculturkts,
&e. of the county of of agricultural
distress, zee.
i•lr. C. IL HU'I'CIIINSON observed on the patience
Inch had chat ticierisrd the peasautry of Ireland under
the severe sullerings that had befallen *grit•oltuir. The
Act of Union, the petitioneis contended, had been Ac.
riously violated; lie meant the sixth :Wide of it ; and
they also complained of the consequelices falling out !item
by being deprived of their parliament. Ile should nut
change his opinion, whatever might be drei'iuu of any
court of lase, so lung as the sixtit artier uf the Act of
Union remained; and he thought it was too late for the
Chancellor of the Exchequer oit the excise board of Etig•
land, io at lt pt to wove that the importatiou ot• Irish
spirits was prepulieini to the eUsistillilluti of Britons.
Mr. 1).1111011'NC COncill led iu what had talks) from
the hum. member who last spoke.
Mr. W. SA ITH would tint occupy the time of the house
further 1111 W, 1114 a to irm.uk, 11141 built the hon. menthe's
who last addiessed the house wets wrung.—retittun 'Lad
and ordered to he on the table.

Sir H. %V ILSt)N pi 'scatted a petition complaining of
the extensive use of machinery. There was a general
opinion that 111101 machinery bad contributed to the ths-
tiCsses of the IL to Aing el4,,es.
Air. W. smt•rti said, that it was painful to make any
obser,at 1111 l that appeared to be unfriendly to the Interests
or the working etasst.,—bt•t he could nut imagine any
greater absurdity than that on shielt this petition pro-
ceeded. He felt as h alt any gentleman could du for
tiie thetteptes of the people—lost it the house were di,-
pu..vil to interfere, 'article could they slop till society
should he reduced to it, early elate? Tue loom, and even
tile plough, Caere iii.telone, for the shotlauulli of labour,
and %sett they to be Itjecled lion" u.eC but let the house
do what it might, the u.eufwacbiutry could out De iVa.ll
I rOlll .tit it•ty.—( t Icor.)
Petition read, and ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. O. BENNETT gave 'lotto., that to-morrow lie
should call the attention ut the house to a breach of i-
vitege committed by a palm r calling 'bell' John Bull.—
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Al. A. TAYLOR moved that the Steam Engines'
bill he tted.
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Nli . LI rt LETUN said, ir the bill proceeded, he should
111010 e to add & 6411.11 to exempt the machine. iised ut
mines, smelting, &c.
Mi. J. SAll 11l hoped that the proposed amendment
..uith4 be re.isted.

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Mr. CALVERT expressed his approbation of the bill.
lie had a steam engine, and when lie heard of the appa-
ratus for cons(' iiiiii g smoke, he adopted it. It WAS coin-
pletely Sneers/4111. lie iteelaied the statement contained
in a ;aimed paper, which had been handed 10 numbers,
that the appaiutos at Messrs. Bartlay's and Cu. had
failed, was false—it Was SlireeSslill, and %bat was mute,
Miele was a great saving of fuel.
Mr. I). GILBERT uusel.s ed, that in large uninhabited
disuuls iii Co. Oleic weir many of these engines ;
and nitric Mete could he no hiculiveitieure limn the
smoke, what occasion would there he fur the bill to ex-
tend to them? Anil the alteration of the engines would
nut only lit- expensive, but, tit many cases, tuitions; fur
every piuleelur would have his uwu plan of malmg the
required alteration..
Ali. F. HEM ON opposed the bill. Ile had tried the
expertinent in two instances, and in both it had Idled.—
After the evidence appeared, he bad paid nitivii attention
to the circumstance, and lie had stated the lesini.
troth was, ((Rae expeinnents were vet,' deceitful. lie
c laded with moving, that, instead of ewer, it he this
dry six mOllllO4 rein Ceded with.
W 001) thought it would be hard to legislate on
partial rapt" imeos ; if it should lint appear that the
scheme was • cisall) practicable, WAS it tight to pass
this Ina ?

:11r. MABEBLY said, this bill appeared to be neither
ntoie nor less than to compel the ploprietuts ut steam-
engiutv to set to work and try fain:nal I.Xperiaseilis.
hoped the bill WJIII.I ue Nt.hJtanll fur the present; they
ought to proceed ou some scientific es idence, not on the
btatraneht of any hou, member.
CURWLN snpput tett the bill. So convinced WA*
hr hl the iirattieahilit alivaiani•,lie hail
us dosed II to bi• to upaatdS of
31t. T.IYLOR declared Ur! But 11/ be vrsy ge•
nerally sniewidelstood. The law declared those means
tugitu.3 to be uuintilw, 11-2 ut. injured the

health or conduits of others. He introduced no new law
the bill only provided for it. most easy administratiou.—
I t would give the court the power to reimburse the pro.
peestiors. It mould only Like place where juries had
found the engines to be nuisances; if there were not
such verdicts, then there would not be vexations costs.--
As to the limiting the bill to the metropolis, and to within
a few miles of great town., %slay were persons in villages
to be smoked out? All Imo suppoi tell it. The menthes,
from the direction of Cornwall had hailed hint as the
saviour of the lower orders and die working classes; bat
now, in consegivence of some communivatiolts, Ito was
deemed a most extraordinary and iiiiiiscseet
Mr. PHILLIPS said, that by supporting this bill, they
woad be giving rise to so utility invitlituus poosecittions.—
He could not see what harm could result front allowing
this hi', to stand over till next year, especially as the law
on the subject was decisive. It seemed to be thought
that some new discovery had been made, hut the truth
was, that in 17145, Mr. Watt obtained a patent for *pita-
ratits to enable engines to consume Ilieir own smoke.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY suggested a post-
ponement, as the bill was now being discussed as a philo-
sophical question.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, lie was ready to take the
discussion on the third reading.
Mr. CALVEtt.I asked the lion, member for Weymouth,
whetter lie had employed Mr. Parkes, or some person
desii toss of coinveracting the measures of Mr. P. ?
Mr. F. ISUXTON replied, that lie was not aware that
the house was to legislate that no other engineer but Mr,
Parkes should be employed. Ile st oppose the bill.
31r. cALvEtur said, if Mr. B. would allow hint to
semi 'alt'. Parkes's men, he would tiodertake that Mr. It.-s
machinery should no longer send forth annoying smoke.
Aldermait WOOD wished the hill lint lit extend to the
machines belooging to miner. He, however, deemed it
light io be©r tea tawny to the success of Mr. Parkes's as
well as Mr. Brenton's pleas.
The 110114 e then divided. For the amendment
Against it b3.—The hill was then committed.
Ressia.—The of LONDONDERRY availed
himself of the °pper y to state, that he could now
assert positively what he had before urged arguineuta-
tively, that the Ressian army had stopped, and that it had
been pot in motion at the request of Austria. It had not
pass.a the tionlierti.
SUPPLY.—N (SA EsTISIATES.-011 Sir G. WARREN-.
1./Elt's motion 11141 the lonise go into a :tee of supply
on the remaming navy estimates.
Mr. HUME moved as an amendment, that they be re.
retied to a committee of inqiiity, as they purported to Is.
,‘ to complete" darks, &v. fur the •• completion" of
which money had been voted in formes estimates.
After an extended conversation, the litoise divided—
Fur it 97—Against it, SY.
The amass then went into the committee, when Sir G.
Warrentler's iesitlutiotts, (or grants of pensions to War-
rant and other u:iieers, &c. were Agreed to.
lie resolution. for granting 10.5,97i1. for pensions to
eel lane naval officers, at the request of Mr. linnie, was
for tare present passed over.
The next vote proposed to the committee was for
1,694,3811. for building new ships, and fur wear and tear
in the yards.
Sir J. YORK objected to this vote • lie thought, as less
work was OWN dune in the duck yards thou formerly, the
vote should he reduced in propoi lion.
Sir B. MARTIN defended the grant.
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Mr. HU ‘IE opposed the giant as excessive. More
money had been expended on the navy since the peace
than was ilecessat y. Since 113 Do the house had voted toe
the repairs of the navy no less than 17,702,0e/91. a suns
sufficient to create a navy for any state.
lhr tin iginal resolution was ultimately agreed to.
Se venal other resolutions were agreed to.—The house
acljourued.
TUESDAY, NAY S.
RUSSIAN Aary.—Alr. C. D. HUTCHINSON gave
noticeohat on Friday next, m 1 the motiun that tile house go
ieto ii c iiiiii wore of supply, he should call the attention of
the house to the statement of the Marquis of LOnalunderrv.
relative to hie proceediu,4s of the Reosiau troops; that he
shoisld then submit a el.ottnet plopoott mu to the house oil the
Europe, an I that he should persevere iii havlag it placed oo
the jenormils.
Scorcit Joas COURT.—Sir G. WARREN DER presented
a petition hinn the culutnissiuners tit 1./wallies ageing the
JeOltli Jury Boa.
Sir R. FERGUSON said, orders had heel -mu to petition
against this bill, and us usual, such urdels had been 'com-
plied anti.
Sir G CLERK de;'ied that any orders had been sent for
the ge ling up or petitions against this toll, hut the remark
was tar to what the nun. general a as in the habit of
making
Sir F 11U ItDl-.TT entered the house, and took his seat ou
the ,tips between Inc opposition and the loser benches.
lin EAU"( or Pe v t.ec: e.—Nlr. G. BENNET r rose,
lout...moat's notice, null said lie should be unworthy of Ms
seat ui that house, if lie abstained 1 noticing what had
appeared respecting hint personally us a menthe', in a paper
ealttd John aull Oti Friday last, it would he lecolleeted,
lie deemed it right to make all espial' Ilion of a hat hail
horn erroneously reputed o. fl _i _on 011 a former evening ; and
:aid that expluisation wits given in Tile Couricr tit Saturday.
I hit explain:o etas given substantial!, curreet I and lie
then read it. It was respecting what lie had bland regard-
ing the Lord President tit Scotland. John Bull coeied that
explanation, sad said the birth of it was, that the Lord
Presideol had it son, M r. Xlackeezte, a ho was a spirited yotset4
ill:111,1111d ti Ili/ 11111 blips.' 11 ill to forward
\II. B. n challenge. Tnat etas done, is lieu through S.r
Furglis ttttt tile general vim, her of the party, an ainology tens
an.' hence the es 1111 l . This attributed to him
having uttered se filleseliood, and having wade all explains.
hoot to save himself. Of the paper lie should say loathing,
let those a Mt patronised it defend it. (Hear lie Nlls
ant against the tutr ceiticisms oh tile press, they is etc USefUl
In keep up it spirt; of lan ray, and a high sense tit honour;
hut against the malignant snit tit Web a pow tr. us a member
of that house, lie deemed it right to guard liliuself, dial lie
therelMe presented the paper to the hum-c.
The p aagra ph having beets rein!,
Mr. li. HEN N Err 1111 l veu, that it was a false and
•candalotio libel uo the house; tend, its such, a bream' of
pun ;lege.
r. .11 A C K EN tt I Esaid,he hhiould Ind do justice to his own
feelings it lie did not say that the para,roett was al together
1111iSlil (allied. It vs us lul.e and it was malicious in the CZ-
elite. (Fical.) There was 11l C %as Calla tl for
—the words had never been uthnet.l. SS lien -the paragraph
sus printed, Mr. B. ru.taitily exerchoed has disapprobation

of it, and his willingness to explain what lie had really
uttered; but as to the note in the Courier. neither he nor his
friends knew any thing of it till the poblication. 011 the
contrary he was painod to see u.
The Waco', gal LON 1)()S I) Ertity said, there could he
no doubt of Ow glum ter of the article? it was
iuiploper 111 attribute unju,it motives to hon. menthe's.
aerec I in—and afterwards the printer (Weaver)
was ordered 111 at fond the bar of tae house to-morrow.

SEDITIOUS NILLTINGS.—MC. Lra;:si ABU rose, pur-
suant to notice, tit call tlie attenti 4444 of the house to the
80th Geo. 111. respecting seditious meetings and libels.
lie thonght, if lie could chew that the coustitittiou had
been infringed upon, and that unnecessary restraints had
been imposed, lie •boll' have established a ground tot his
motion. It was the undoubted right of the subject. ac-
cording to the constinitioti, to meet and agree to petitions
respecting their geievances; and this right hail been
violently suspended. The measures, however, were
passed dining a period of considerable alarm, and when
there was ill operation an extensive system of espionage;
they were supported because the alarms of some led them
to desire to sacrifice a part to support the remainder of
the constitution ; but wheal the causes of alai in had Nub-
sided, lie maintained that the act suspending such portion
of the people's liberties ought no longer to exist. Ac-
cording to the existing law, petitions Clllll,l not approach
that house as they were a ont to do ; and the measure hail
been attended with all those incosivenienees that hail
been foretold, as was proved by the various refusals of
sheriffs to call comity nieetingx ; refusals that proved
their submission to the government. lie was not afraid
of the freedom of the press or the freedom of speech ; and
sure lie was that no great state could exist long a iihout
them. By those acts, the repeal of which lie now de-
an cif, such freedom had been stispended for the third
time; but they were even severer than previous avowedly
temporary measures. The alleged events on which the
alerting were founded had been disproved. Mr. hunt's
trial proved Lone of them; there was no proof of the
noble niarquis'e (Londonderry) statements, about cart-
loads of stmt's, of fields of slaughter, and magistrate*
stoned to death. lithe evidence on which the bills sere
founded proved to be false, if on that false evidence the
people had been convicted, what was so proper as to re-
verse that attainder? The measures which be sought to
have repealed had produced something like apathy—but
was not such tranquillity more alar 11l ill g than the *form?
(Hear, hear.) Teri efore lie proposed to repeal the sedi-
tious meetings act, as well as that regarding libels. That
act regarded what had not been defined, and what had
been pronounced to be undefinable. It :Outlined a severe
and et itel pienisliment—perpetual banishment for a second
offence. The hon. baronet who had just left prison for a
supposed offeuce—on a verdict that hail been obtained by
finesse—might, if he again adiltessed himself warmly to
his constituents, be placed in jeopardy ; and it a second
verdict wets obtained, seeing what spirit had actuated
some of die judges, he should tremble fur the fate of the
lion. baronet. (Cheers.) From what lie had seen, from
the interruption which one individual lied experienced
while conducting his defence, lie must infer that it was
thought a jury was too poll-11l a protection ot• the people ;
and as to the discretion of law utficcu, what had been
dune in the ease of the Queen spewed what they were
capable of doing when they had the power. lie, there.
fore, in the name of his constitimitis, and of the people,
called on the house to resiot e to the people their until-
terecl riglms. Some might think lie had indiscreetly
brought forward his motion—but so convinced was he of
its propriety, that he should persevere He concluded
with moving ter leave to bring in a bill to repeal the hUtli
Geo. 111. respecting seditious meetings.
Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW ceu•urerl the remarks dial hail
again been applied to a lea Wed judge, air individual who
possessed II tender and an honourable mind. 11 time
were charges against that excellent-minded juitge, why
were they not reeularly preferred, so that their might be
regular answer.?
Alter sonic remarks from Mr. Denman, Mr. flutchin-
son, Sic. the !ionic divided. The the
motion SW—Against it sU.
Mr. LENS ARD then made his second motion for leave
to bring in a bill to repeal the new act respecting libels;
unit the house slimily illiel'Wl4l4l, divided on it, Shen the
numbers appeared to be—For the ino.itdi aa—Against II
bB—Majorny
These divisions were received with corisiderable cheer-
ing by lie ripple Won.
Mr. scARLETT then brought forward his motion on
the subject of the poor loss.
111 r. kICARDO supported the motion, Soil wre,ed the
necessity of Foote provision being adopted on this eel/jeer.
Mr. M. A. 'IAYI-011 also urged the necessity of ►ome
alteration in the present system of poor lawe. He pat ti-
cidarly urged the necessity of sonic amendment in the set-
(lenient laws.
Alter sonie further conversation, leave was given to
bilng in the hill,

M. scARLETT brought it/ the bill, width was read a
firotisue.

Mr. SCARLETT said, his object in this measure was
1101 to oppress the poor, hut to rouse a sl.llll of iniiihtry
and independence In them, by iteitritying the opinion
whirl, has tooted in the ' ds o'lll, that the duty of re.
liev Mg the poor, under all tit emnstauces, was imperative.
The wound reatLog of the bill was ordered tur the
glib, and ordered to be Printed.
AFeains fig Sieges.—Lord WM, BENTINICK moved
for a number of papers relative to Sicily, amongst %bleb
Mute copies of lust' urtiuns given to Sir William A'C:otirt,
Oat andta..ador, I.:leave to the occupations of Sicily by
the British aim), and the pledge of the Neapolitan go.
vet ittitent relative to the securit) of persons and propel ly.
,—The motion wits agreed to,
Mr. J. SAW! H then moved for leave to bring in a hill
to emend the bankrupt laws. 'file hon. member entered
into a >atilttuettt of the nature tattle measure he intended
to pi °pose to the house, %tartl watsiutilar to the itivastiie
Gt last eea.iun, and 1:ail lot OA object to pi Merl the Milne-
tuttate and tarnish the tiandulent bankrupt.
The motion nUs mai col to, the bill broaglit in, read a
first, and m 111,1411 to hr trail a second time on Fi iday.
The !clout m I:ir emanative of sitoply nas brought up,
NMI the at %real ream:wows acre agi veil to,
The other ender we; e then disposed a, anti the house
ailjourned,

Wit/NM/AY, MAY Q.

Mr. LITrLETON precrottql the report of thr Alba-
rodgh eiection conintittee, which 'lectured Mr. Antrobits
to I.ove been duly elected, uutt the petitiuu not to hoe
Lten ftivuluue or ve):4tiutit.