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No. 1,275.—V0L. XIII.]

31ttpertat Varitatittnt.

HOUSE OF LORDS.
TWELFTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE:
SIONDAT, OCT. 16.
At twenty minutes past ten Counsel were called to the bar.
Air. Baououss rose to address the House. He de-
clared, that before the esoss.examinatiou of the witness
Penni should commence, it was considered by hcr Ma-
jesty's Counsel indispensably necessary that they should
be informed precisely who was the adverse party in this
c se. The more he reflected upon the nature of these
extraordinary proceedings, the more was he convinced of
the necessity of being clearly informed upon that subject,
eitherwise the difficulties. which were accumulating ra-
pidly, on all sides, would be increased beyond all poul-
bility of removal.
Lord CALTHORPE expressed a wish to know, for lb*
purpose of having a clear understanding upon the point,
with which no future question should interfere, who was
actually Use prosecutor upon this ease ? To bins It was
quite evident that there was a distioction between being
a Minister for the King and a Minister for the State, In a
legal point of view; and be was surprised that his Noble
Friend (Lord Liverpool), whose candour had drawn down
the approbation even of those to whom be was politically
opposed, had not at a former part of these proceedings
rendered it ,nnecessary to put the question. He had seen
It exemplified in the conduct of the Noble Lord; there
existed the distinction to which he alluded between the
Minister of the Crown as a part of the State, end a Mi-
nister of the King individually. If he were not correct in
this statement, he hoped to be corrected by some Noble
Lord of more legal and parliamentary knowledge.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he bad some difficulty
In stating what was required; but he wondered the ques-
tion had not been mentioned in an earlier stage of the
proceedings. There certainly was nothing mysterious in
the proceedings. He had, on the Ith of June, laid on the
table, by command of his Majesty, cousin papers relative
to the conduct of her Majesty while Princess of Wales.
He proposed that they should be rearred to a Secret
Committee, and many Noble Lords thought it the daisy of
the Executive Government to introduce a Bill on the sub-
pct. He ;trammed other papers; they were referred to
a Secret Committee; a Report was made, and a Bill was
brought iss. for which he (Lord Liverpool) was responsi-
ble. In Ibis there was nothing mysterious.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN agreed with the state-
ment of the Noble Earl opposite, that the House were
now entertaining the Bill, on his suggestion, and that, for
the purpose of instituting the inquiry sought for. the
House had created the party at timber, by appointing the
Attorney and Solicitor Generals to appear in behalf of
the Bill; but the Counsel for her Majesty had entered
upon a course of evidence, the object of which was to
establish the existence of a conspiracy for the subornation
of perjury in support of the prosecution. In proving Ibis
they bad to prove an agency, and how could au agency be
proved before they knew who was the principal? His
Lordship conceived, therefore, that the House were
bound, and should have felt it due to their own interests,
to the interests of justice and of truth, that au mock of
the letters of Col, Meow,' as related to the abstraction of
Itastelli should have been called for, and that Ms. Powell
should have been compelled to produce it.
The Earl of CARNAHVON directed the attention of
their Lordships to that part of the case which referred to
Carlsrulse, as illustrating strongly the necessity ofn satis-
factory answer bring given to the question pot by use
Counsel for her Majesty. The whole of that part of the
ease depended upon the testimony of one witness who
had, at the request of one petty German Potetstair, been
examined by 'mother, and compelled to come over to give
her testimony. The proceeding agaiuseher Majesty, dis-
graceful as it was its every point of slew, Stood 141 Gs r-
stimulated, that the House might to know whether it comes
irons the constitutional advisers of the king of Engbnul,
or from the advisers of the King of Hanover— (Hear,
hear!) What would they think of inch 4 waist",' libel oil
the character of a defenceless woman and a Queen; orals
Inquiry gone into for no other purpose but to libel the
character of ass injured and pervecuted individual?--
(Hear, bear, hear!)
The witness Pitilippo Pond was stow recalled, anti cross
examined by the Attorney General,
Yuan, you have boated that you resided in a home at the
Ramie. Is that house now vatted the Villa Heigasni ?
Yes, at present it iii Celled tile V ill.* lies
Whin did you law see 11eigasiss P-1 do not quite recol-
lect it must have been in August I think,
Did you me Wits the day you left the Villa Het gagni I
I did nut,
How long before ?—I left the Villa tiergami ois the 20th
of Se.dember. I saw him iu August, but Ido nut isnot,
the slily.
Will you swear that you dlil not sae Miss in September?
cannot swear, It unit have been the latter end of
August, or the beginning of September. I have uo um-
morandna. 1 moot tell.