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THE N,ATIONAL REGISTER.

from ministers paid, who wanted to repair their fortune* or to
get places. And such system gave ministers an undue influence
—to make wars and impose taxes without that controul of the
representatives of the people which was contemplated by the
Constitution. Yet while those Boroughs were at the mercy of
tninisters, there were places whim had become excedingily
populous in recent times and therefore merited the cmisideratina
of the House—such places as Manchester, Ncc. which had
increased four and live fold. Thus, instead of the system " work
ing well'—such arosinalies lind risen up, noel large plum were
without Reepresentatives, while places that merely nominally
existed, returned 'AI cm bees- But it might he said that those places
Inui not petitioned ; when they did petition or address, then their
proceedings were complained of; and if they did not petition,
then such fret was to be used against them ; but would it not b
hard-heartedness to legislate on such facts and feelings. To she•
that the influence of Government was almost predominant, the
Noble Lord mentioned the Met of the great maturity of County
Members being found in support of most imporunt muttons
against influence and extravagance, such motions being never-
theless lost, in consequence of the prepondeniting numbers gain-
ed from the Borough Alembers. Did not such facts speak
strongly in illustration of li is geneml line of argument? he thougli
their tendency was thereby established. As to those Resolutions
with which lie should conclude with moving, he thought, in wk.
ing away die franchise from Grampound, it could nut be said
such place would remain unrepresented. (Blear, hear!) His Re
solutions were limited in their extent—they did nut go to the
extinction of all the Boroughs, but that ought to be the•next step;
and then lie would same in the Reform on principle, and that
wooltt lead to nothing less thaisa re-construction (lithe House of
Coutinens. (Hear, hear.)—l'he outline of the constitution of
that House traced Counties, Cities, and Boroughs—sand it was
in Such state when Nloniesquicu pronounced the Bepresentati•
system of this country to be perfect in theory, and successfid in •
practice. lie only want oil to see them restored to their due in-
fluence in •6.• tenoning of Representatives; and if he could be-
hold the bounties, Cites, and Boroughs restored to their due
influence in the Representetiv, r part of the Geo:examen' of the
Country. He hoped that a spirit of conciliation would yet be
adopted—he felt assured that it would be of most useful tendency•
It the love of liberty existed, and if it were felt, that with such
love of liberty ttry had no share in the state, then would the iera
of civil disainuon have arrived ; and then might the efforts in
an ambitious Xing, Peer, ur Demagogue be the wed-grounded
source of slam. lie concluded anotist loud cheers, and move..
the following series of Resolutions;—
First, That it is expedient that all Sorougns, in which gross
and nomninis Bribery should be provost to prevail. should cease
to return Members to serve in Parliament; provision bring made
to allow such of the Electors es shall not have been proved guilty
of the sal offence, to give votes at any Election to be held for
the County in which soot Limousin shall be respectively situated.
Secondly, That it is expedient that the right of returning
Members to serve in Parliament, so taken from any .Borough
which shall have been proved to have been guilty of Bribery and
Corruption, should be given to some great town, the population
of which than nut be less that' 1-3,tsuo settli• or to sptite Or the
largest Counties.
Ttlirdly. That it is the ditty of thi; Reuse to consider of fur-
ther means to detect and pievent rotruptten in the Election of
Al embers of Parliament.

Borough of Graropnund. in which gross
and notorious corruption has been proven to prevail, du Ceiikt: to
send Nlenibcrs to this House. .

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Lord NORMANDY fox to second the resolutions. Whenever
tru,ts had been corruptly used. they ought to be considered a.
forfeited; besides. he who bought Lts seat "pooh be ready to sell
h. lf. What security had they against such proceedings?
:Stich Members might be honest—and tiny ought sell themselves
—.but surely they were any thing but Representatives of the
People. in the am,titittional sector. Surely that Cornish article
of ❑wnutieeture wz,s not the most useful to the country.
Lull CASTLEREAGH said. he had no objection to what
seemed to be the main object of the Noble Lord—the oisfrim-
chisement of Grampound. lie suggested whether it would not
be better to withdraw the resolutions, which enibmcs:ii much
debute.ibie matter, and introduce a Dill WI114:11 would ieromplisli
that object, touching which there wit. likely to be but little dif.
fertaice 01 opinion; at least their minds would be directed to
some definite object.
Alter some remarks from Mr. Tierney and others. congratu-
latory of minim:lt concession Lasing been gained, the resolutions
were withdrawn, and
Lord .1. IIUsSELI., gave notice. that on an early day he
should move for leave to bring in a Dill accordingly, to disfran-
chise the llorough of Grampound, mod to trans:tr the right of
returning two Alsnibers to I arirairrent to sonar populous towti.
The other orders of die day having been disposed Ms the
Searching lin Anus Bill. esc the linos,: 'Adjourned.
wisps Esthvir, tiv.c. Li.
EMPLOY NI EN'l. POOll.

Mr. 111. WilliliAHAM presented a Petition from William
Salisbury, preying the Home to take into consideration his int
proved system toe tae employabent of the pour. The petitioner
desired no pecuniary assidirocc--he only implored the House to
enquire into his pluns. to observe the good etrects that lied
resulted from an application of them, end w point out 1111e4113 fur
the more general e.O rice ut diem.
Mr. Aldirnian WOOL/ observed. that the system had been
applied in the City House of Correction with sorms. t but
whatever might be done. be trthlteti that the question would
not Itooverburdeutd with Co iiiiii ittetti.

Mr. B. W 11.1.111 All AM moved. that Mr. Sali.ibury's Petition
be referred to s Cunintittoe, with direcuoos to report their opinion
hereon.

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Mr. HITSKISSON snw•no reform for delaying this Committee.
for the I louve 'ight no• think it riper to appoint en colon.),
into xelivinex of such extensive elfecia ryMr..o en's,

Motion wathdresti, wrd two tor the prtatios of the Petition
curled.

I. SOLVE NT DEBTORS.

Lord Al.TlloHl'lt. roar to Inure lblcavc to bring in * Dill
to extend ►elief to Insolvent Deb an a Daring Mivetted to the
Act of the last Se,sion, he ohaerval. that hail he been their
present. he certainly alasuld have orpoied it and he now desired
that there should be mum: alteration in the Constitution of the
Court, particularly by introducing the pnwer to institute exami-
nations Into the debts, (cc. previous to the appearance of die
patties An Court. Ile was well satisfied wilts the conduct of
Government in removing the late litnuttivi met .(Serje rat
Dunoington), and all the cierks except one; owl be was au far
gratified with the conduct of thepresent Conninsaioner (Reynolds)
that lie should abandon the intention of proposing three Coin-
missioners instead or one. The ptsciotts enquiries lie proposed
to be bcture examinant.; and he also suggeated that debtors
should be ivmrpr•l/id to take ,he benefit ul me Insolvent Ilebtors'
Act after a certain period. Ile should also profane that the
property of the debtors. instead of be:log*ord, should be seqv,s-
trated tor the benefit of the cr:ditor►. fur lite4ttit .►ct expires
in April next, and unless lie could gain those leading objects
whien he had now detailed. he should ',rem it to be los duty su
oppose any renewal of the Insolvent Iklaers' Act.
Ihe Motion was egrets:l to, anti leave Given to bring in the

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were persons of great respectability engaged in the t üblishing
trade, it this hill pas,ed they must give up their trades.
Mr. BEIt YAl.said, the dignity and liberty of the rnuntry
and the freedom of the prise, were inscparahly mfilletled .
and he must therefore oppose the obnoxious clause of the Rill.
Lord CASI'LEREA(.II obs-rved, that in the Com 1111 l ICILY he
should propose alterations, particularly Cm ounasiim of the trans-
portation ; (Coma !) but he should retain the banishment
part fur s...cond c..nvietions reonling bhu.pheminis and t nam. olds
libel.. Ile hoped to ba aide to justify the retaining f such
altemativ:!.

Air. M. A. TAYLOR should protest a;7ainst the introduction
of that mode of punishment, new to the low of England, termed
banishment. lie should not be softened by the abandonment of
the transportatimi clause ; the Lill would still be most objec-
tionable; indeed it would be amazing if the Ilnuse could he
satisfied with such changes, when the Dills proposed nothing,
les.i, within the wurse of tame weeks, than 11111014 to a.tif tim
Constitution of the country. (Neat, bear.)
Petition read, and orderod to be printed.
STA M 1),AI BILL
Leril ('ASTLEIt t; tluin rose to more the second reeding
of the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill. As many alterations cadre
to be introduced, lie prtotiosed that the Hill would go through
the Committee, and that the debate be taken on the bringing up
of the report on Friday next. The tiroL id/cram:l would in:, to
dcline the publications called periodi scl, as the object was not to
interfere with d^ monthly or other puhlications regarding lucre:
titsre, the arts, or ; it to write!' to tot one or two
sheet publications, which, under the garb of pamphlets. interfered
with newspaper: and the newspaper reguLiiions. !le also pr...
posed to lessiss the amoult of the securities; the principle of
rich securities be deemed it essential to retain, he stemming
stun publications to constitute the great disn,er ; the alteration
would be to lessen the tom from Mail. to Mail. for town, and
2001. for the country, trom the mumbling parties thentseleLs, and
sureties ul other individuals to sunnlar Hit:omits. 1, Hear )

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Mr. TIERNEY and fiItOUGHAM expreNsed them-
selves apinst the princip.e of the Uill. and ninic cspetially
against the principle of requiring sureties; and they begged that
acquiescence in the present proposition might not be tioustruvd
into any approbation of a measate which iihto.ltsgel most Lad
inroads.

dui read a second t4iie„ and ordr.red to be committed to-
morrow.

The ;wend reading of the Seditious Libel Bill was postponed
till Monday.
The "fraver•ing fill MY read a second time.
SEARLIIING gull A ki.AS BILL.

On the motion that the report of title Bill he received.
Mr. PAULI...XI' siiitie spinet the extetoion of the Bill to
Durham.

Lord CASTLEREAGH justified such extension of the Rills
for the object was, tan only to cover the diseaseu parts, but WOW
that were near such diseased parts.
Mr. LAN BTON observed, that one part of Durham as much
merited it as mai her part of it—and that was. not at all;—Lc
therefore moved, that the report be fix:deed this day six months;
on winch the House divided:—
Ayes 38 Noes 9a.
The report was then read and:Nodal to, and the bill ordered to
be read a third titre to-morrow. _ .

Tre remaining order. having been dispaied of. the Noun
adjourned.

TRunsn►v. D cc.
NlO% SPATER STAMP.

Nr. LIYSIIINGT(IN moved, shut the House resolve itsa
into a Committee on the Nt:iittratitr Stamp Dune. Ite•'u:mnou
Bill ; the 119:1SC uceurtlingly rt.o:vetl it., If into toeit Coo.
niittua.

Mr. LUSILINGTON bantlol in seine an:cu.:mews, 'thick
wire not raid, but . .

Mr. BHOGDEN, the chairman. rut the trrstien, that he
do report this Bill, with amendments, to die House forthwith.
Agreed to.
BROGDEN brought up the Hewn, which was agreed
to without hs,ing been read.lered w pr printed, end to be
taken iota consideration on Fritlay.
IRON COFFINS.

Mr. G LAMB of rather an unusual
nature; it was from the husband of a deceased lady, 'for whose
remains he had been un.sbie to procure interment. in coosequehc:
of those remains being contained in one of Mr. Badguisn's
patent iron coffins. In cohoctoence. of such refusal the remains
heti been above ground fur the hot eight months. Tile pets.
!Muer tabled. that he itud chosen such coffin in.oorupliance with
the dolt bed ihjunctiohs of his wile. who was opetated upon
by the fear that her remains n:.ght be disturbed by what were
calks, resurrection men.

Mr. BLS N said. that some measures were absolute!,
nt.e.,c.nly to check pnweenings now pursued to iii-turb me dealt.
tar the purpow of dissection. He wio‘ acquainted- with all ti;
details of the system ; the accounts were handed to hint in this
Police Committee. auti hi:abstained from pcomulga:ing
because they would have cleated acmes and Oblarat throughtnit
the country. Tucy conear.ced hint. however.- that wins: pro-
ceedings on the sunset were eallut tor.—(Hear.)
'l'hepttition wet eventually received and oruc:cd to lie on the
table.