The Sun.
London, England, 1855-05-04 00:00:00

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vessel had started from Malta, peilitraii,Fdittc"!nare stharta,
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LOAN BILL.
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did not wish to throw a difficulty
,n the way of the second reading, but there were portions
ofp pothretubnililtywhwiochuir
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Lord RAVENS WORTH asked for the usual. indulgence
of their lordships in rising to address them for the first
time, and said that he might be allowed to express
hisgreat
concern that circumstances rendered the presentation and
acceptation of the bill tefore their lordships almost impera-
tive—he alluded to the failure of those negotiations at
Vienna, which he and the country were led to consider as
evidence of the prolongation of the war. He had hoped, as
peace was the evident wish and interest of all parties, that
some pacific arrangements might hare been entered into,
anil he deeply regretted that theie expectations had been
disappointed. As, however, they had but war in prospect,
it became their duty-to turn their attention to the means
by which the war might be carried on. He found that two
burdens of no inconsiderable extent were .to be entailed
upon the country, and of these the present bill for raising
by loan 16,000,0001. formed an important item. The esti-
mates for the present year for carrying on the navy
amounted to more than 16,000,0031. ; almost an equal
sum was required for the army ; the Ordnance esti-
matesa.z,a4y,?()r remarks
:Poweaorerohrkiza
pobs
aTe.
bthiewte.eterhiEnroeeus
present
00 I, OC3I. and 8,000, 000/ . , while
3,000,0001. more were devoted to other military pur-
APoses ; the expenditure in the whole amounting tc.
nhidtt Loan Bill had passed the 0r-
.7 in another place, which might be considered more
direct opposition to the bill bat
mightdi ectly the guardian of the public expenditure, and it
however,presumptuousat
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wish
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Ma-
jesty's was
da nature to excite some discus-
sion and criticism
doors on the grout;
obfett2erl'®°for'°°°thie
gone into the market alantdtthheast:
that if at the end of the year her Ma-
chanosalloarsked would it not have been
of the Exchequer to have
e eeepleradisweditha
tlohaendfeomratuhde,ffuolrltahmeolurtannt
rather than to hay
of a direct and of an indirecaregred sum by taxation both
other devices for raising the
to go all lengths with those who nature?
si thaton this i
but he went so far with them as tojfec He was not prepared
bestowedw would
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upon a
deficiencyoi ttffk: meo
r.neatffhne roeyf
t.ed on these grounds,
taxationwent
of awnas earnestan
indefinite)
y porfo
ltohnegaepdpwr eatree.lu thead Gdiotrioenmal.
war
would
tlhdere had been
othavteo
thiscciicurred
any reason for believing thattwhteherreee
in six or twelve months, then he should have ceased
with those who considered it unwise to resort
of indirect taxation by levying additional duty on articlesmode
which entered so largely into the consumption of the orlr-
ing classes, and which would tend to disturb those w
arrange-
manta in taxation which had been made with the general
consent of the people. If, on the other hand, there was
reason—and be feared there was too mach—to apprehend
that war would be prolonged much beyond 12 months,
then he agreed with the policy which included articles of -
general consumption in the means for raising the required
amount to carry on the war. Such he knew were the feel-
ings of the mercantile classes, and he did not hesitate to
give his sanction to and express his opinion upon them.
He must confess that the prospects before us were dis-
heartening, and express the concern of this country and of
the whole of Europe that negotiations for peace had been
brought to a close; and he only hoped that those mistakes
which had arisen in carrying on the war on the part of the
Government, and that the profuse expenditure of the pub-
lic money without adequate i esults, would also be brought
to a close. (Hear, hear.) He considered that np to this
moment her Majesty's Government had not taken all the
steps which they might have taken towards bringing the
war to a close. He could not help reverting to this time
last year, when, in the estimates before their lordships,
the expense of carrying troops as far as Malta was contem-
plated, and, at the same time, the expense of the return
of those troops was also estimated. (Hear, hear.) He
could not help recolleCting that the noble lord, one
of the meat distinguished members of her Majesty's
Government, in another place, whom he could only de-
scribe as the unsuccessful negotiator of the interests of this
country at Vienna, seemed last year to entertain a trifling
opinion of the war in which they -were about to engage,
and declared that it was so far from being an objection to
the reform measure which he introduced, that be con-
sidered it rather favourable at the same time that they
were entering upon a war with the most colossal Power in
Europe to engage also in the civil war of discussing reform
in Parliament. These considerations would now press on
his mind, because he had seen what the Government had
attempted, and also that they were not even at present
fully aware of the importance of having recourse to all
their resources for the purpose of putting an end to the
war. Although the Government had called on the people
for large supplies, they had as yet neglected to avail them-
selves of other means in their power of distressing the
enemy. The important question relating to the com-
merce of Russia had been brought before their lord-
ships about a week ago; but owing to the limited num-
ber of peers present it did not receive much discussion.
This was a question on which he felt so strongly that he
intended to place a notice of motion on the paper for• the
purpose of again bringing this question under their lord-
ships' consideration. Having now shadowed out some of
the main objections entertained to this loan, and in doing
so discharged what he felt to be a duty, he would not tres-
pass further on the attention of their lordships but would.
conclude by thanking them for the indulgence which they
had extended to him.
The bill was then read a second time.
DRAINAGE AND WATER SUPPLY.
The Earl of CAERNARVON presented a petition from
the Metropolitan Sanitary Commission as to drainage and.
water supply. He described the system of drainage and.
water supply now in force, both of which he said were in-
efficient. He said the stateliest mansions in the metropolis
ha,‘ lying under them masses of decomposing matter, and
the very walls of that house were sapped by pestilent abo-
minations. Considering- tho fatal results attending the
visitations of cholera, he urged on their lordships the ne-
cessity of some measures being taken to render drainage
more perfect, and to obtain better and more plentiful sup-
plies of water.

THE VIENNA CONFERENCE.
' The Earl of CLARENDON— my lords, before your
lordships adjourn I wish to take the opportunity of apolo-
gising to my noble friend opposite for having quitted the
house on a previous occasion. My absence gave rise to some
remarks on his part, of which I do not complain, because it
is my business to be here, to answer any question which may
be put to me with regard to the department over which I
have the honour to preside ; but I quitted the house upon
that occasion because there was a great deal of business at
the Foreign-office waiting my return, and because Ithought
that my, noble ft lend behind me (the Marquis of Lansdowne)
had stated that the Government would lose no time in
giving to your lordships the information which you have a
perfect right to expect. I hope that your lordships are not
under an erroneous impression that the Government have
any desire to withhold from your lordships any information,
and, for my own part, I hope that I am able to say
with justice that I' have never shown myself. unwilling
to answer any question which has been put to me, or
to afford any information which it was in
,my power to
give ; and I consider that duty especially incumbent upon
me at the present moment of intense and natural anxiety
to be correctly informed with respect to passing events.
Nevertheless, I have too often experienced your lordships'
kind indulgence not to feel sure that even now you will
not wish me to divulge anything which might be injurious
to the interests of the service. My lords, as a proof of
the spirit in which the negotiations at Vienna were car-
ried on, and of the desire of the representatives of France
and England to do nothing which could offend the honour
and dignity of Russia—as I mentioned the- other even.
ing in answer to a question put to me by my noble friend
—the Rtiiisian Plenipotentiaries were invited themselves
to take the initiative, and to propose some method by
which they thought they could carry out the principle
to which they had assented. The Russian Plenipo-
tentiaries acknowledged as, indeed, they . could not
help acknowledging—the spirit in which that proposal
was made; but, somewhat to the surprise of their ea;
leagues, announced that they were without any instruc-
tions upon that important subject, and that it was neces•
nary for them to.refer to St. Petersburg. The time neces-
sary for that purpose was given to themiissit in the mean-
time the representatives of England and of France decline&
to alter the order in which the four points stood, or to
set'
take any discussion upon the fourth point until sem° itn.
lement had been arrived at with regard to thristemost
to the
portant subject, the means of attachingwTs:
again called
European system. When the conference was
St. Petersburg,
to receive the answer which had comeh
to make. The allied Plenipotent
thought that Russia
the Russian Plenipotentiaries said
to them a scheme which thuetyany
hurt to her dignity,
might have consented to wily thout
she had been inclined to prove
t'a7ieshtandennusPubrumPiertell
if
,i,„" as pacific as she had
hours to
desrnt,
to the world that her policyto remove the uneasiness of
declared it to be, or
unourable to her as a first-
al ways
Europe by giving
guarantees
andc
as si En uar el; eaannu er
Power, hi
gll
did againstno
tfuturenout
eametpsloaft
ea. g g
Theres .
to them, and. at the end of
vessels of war from the
rejected them, as well as another pro-
that time absolutely
rwe eard l) ay kh:lFfroern
04h8
posal brought
to exclude all v
and
sntombloenfthri,enadridLosird. Jr;
rßouuyssneldl
eleLfthVuyiesnna
ider
aft" Sea, and to render it a sea for commercial purposes
theßau
ens pes ridwao Russian
oph plenipotentiariescsbhsyl
htsuhs which was madenesehse
alone. The conference was then suspended, not actually
o o brokenthe
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131
last
re-
mained behind fur a few days, and that plenipotentiary
and the Earl of Westuaorelsmd were invited, on the part
of Russia, to attend another conference in order to receive
some propositi:ms, and Al. Drouyn de Lhuys and the Earl of
Westmoreland agt'ee,i to attend. We are in possession of the
terms of those pi opusitions, but note) the discuesious which
took place upon them ; but the representatives of the allies
tumultuously agreed that the proposals made were not
likely to promote the object which we have at heart.
2,1 y lords, this is the present state of thiugs ; and, al-
though ice are prepared to consider any distinct
d
pro-
posal on the part of Russia, sill it, is not consid:readith I
eout
rable that these negotiations shoul I be continued
result.
the probability of their leading to any sattoi,
be laid upon
Your lordships will find in the
protocolse ouclusion which has
the table, not simply the record of utfhe discussions that took
been arrived at, but a repohrattowere
expressed by the re-
place, and of the feelings that
(Hear.)
I think your lord-
shipspresentatives of each
Ptuhweestatement I have hadthe honour
may not consider
to make to be either satisfactory or conclusive— conclusive
I mean akto what has actually taken place—unless I am
able to inform you of the course which Austria intends to
take hereafter—(hear, hear)—and it is on this particular