The National Register.
London, England, 1822-02-17 00:00:00

Imper;sl P.iiVonirnl enufhtiredirom ;mix 31.
vital aids to remove the difficulties complained of. The
wages were better. The workmen now got twelve-pence
whets they before got eight-pence, awl they could now
obtain fur eight-pence what betbie cost twelve-pence.—
(Hear, hear.) This was an important faet.--As to the
eta to of agrienlinte, its interests with] those of other
classes, must stand or fall together. The learned gent.
had adduced the diminution of the consumption of molt
as proof of the difficulty of the country. He bad consulted
the Papers; he did not find such diminution, as competed
with recent years, or 179 t. The same was the case with
tea; and what was temarkable, the consumption had been
less when the 41my was least. Ile did not mention this as
justification of taxes, hut in refutation of the learned
gentleman's position. There was an Met tase of one-sixth
iu the cousumption of tea; thus the " distressed" people
voluntarily submitted to 3,010,0001. taxes that might lie
avoided. There was also so increase in the consumption
of bricks, soap, &c. winch skewed also the growth of
cleanliness. He mentioned such facts to skew that the
difficulties were not irremediable; and that it was any
thing but friendship to the people to inculcate that delu-
sive despondency, which many exerted themselves to pro-
duce. (Loud cheers front the Opposition.) The Excise,
that barometer of consumption, did not skew diminution ;
their revenue was • •ig and itnproving. Commerce was
also rapidly increasing. l'his was proved by the returns.
—The learned gentleman had said, that a remission of
taxes only afforded the chalice of 'chef to agriculture.—
(Hear.)--He denied that such 'eduction would afiiird re-
lief; if they could sweep away the whole of their taxation,
lie was prepared to show that no relief would be afforded.
(Hear, hear, front the Opposition.)—He admitted that to
remove a tax of itself would be a relief, bat he denied that
to remove the taxes would afford relief to the country's
Kest at taxes. (Hear, hear, continued.) To hold out that
"eduction of taxation was calculated to relieve was only to
deceive—fur they could not counteract the great causes of
online. If the farmer were induced to look for relief to the
r. dor:lion of taxation he would be deceived. (Ilear, hear.)
It w mild :Ilford no relief to him. He forgot to inentimi be
lore that the revel lie had gone on increasing—within the
lasi Ilse weeks it had iticteasetl2ot,oool.—The noble Lord
that proceeded to detail the votes of last year, adverting to
a hat might he wanted this year. There was a redaction in
the to my of nearly one million ; b 03,0001. navy ; ordnance
100,0001. There would be a reduction on the approaching
estimates, as compared with the lust year, of
lie spoke hereof the gEnual services of the country. The
noble Lord then not iced funnier estimates to show the savings,
which were 2,00:1,0t,th. below the estimates of last year, mid
3 ShAtEtool. below tile estimates of 1820.--(Clieers.)—The
twine Lord, folios lag :11.4 flumes former detail,, proceeded
to examine the prevent statement of the income and exp. n-
dittire. The noble Lord afterwards spoke of the relief that
it was expected the government would be eifalfled to extend
to the country. 'Elul thought they should soot have the
power of rrilusiug the Navy Five per cents. nod this would
allOrd the opportunity of taking off the one slitlling per
bushel duty on barley. That would relieve the taxis to the
amount of 1,400,0001. or a mill' and a half. The miti--
ters could not see how it was possitile, tijh due lie.ention to
existing obligations and demands, to nlford further relief to
taxatioa. Next year they calculated on being able to
relies e the taxes one million name, and the year alter to the
amount of bailor three quarters lit a mill .—As omit), of
the difficulties the agi irulturist must he deemed of a tem-
porary natuie, the Bank had undertaken to lend the Govern-
'item tour millions, Nhich would be available to advance to
such farlllell as might require sonic immediate relict. The
noble Lind further suited that it is as intended to move for
the ieviv. I of the t month tee on mArieutture, 011 Ile Xi,
Wllll a View IO stig•lest some numoilmeitss of the existing corn
laws. S nuking of the sinking fund, his 1. wit:Mitt said there
sins now a cleat sinking rand of 5.h001. and the beneficial
operat it of it would he to citable the (Myrrh:tient 1.1 n fiord
relief of taxation to the extent he had mullioned. ills
Lordship conetuded is it li moving fur the reduction of paper,
illustrative of the state of the revenue, &c.
Mr. 11l OUGIiANI,in reply to his Lordship, sti ongly com-
plained of ills former speech hash% been so impel feelly
answered. The purposed relief was no real value ; the
reduction of the WIC shilling duty on lt he deemed a paltry
pretension. The plan of borrowing 4,000,0001. from the
Bank, to aid in removing the present dittrulties,he contended
was a project truly ridiculous. Whilst we had a mixed cur-
rency of paper and gold, the latter could nut fail to disap-
pear. As to the proposition of the noble Lord to lend
money to the different parishes, iu aid of the poor
rates, it was the most preposterous and mischievous that he
had ever beard of.—lt was u plan, which could truly tend
so encourage waste and extravagance in parishes, and to
plunge them (hyper in difficulties than they now were, as
th I day of payment must come, and with the additional
charge of interest and management. The noble Lord hail
itho proposed to advance sums of money for carrying on pub.
lie N oaks. This he supposed was to be done whether parishes
.ould 111:111d it or not. This would be a plan the most ruinous
and mischievous. It would have the effect of extentlin,e,
that system of waste and profligacy Willa had so long per-
vaded the expenditure of ministers in this House, into every
village in the kingdom. Ile concluded by decidedly con-
doming the noble Lord's plan, mind calling on time
einnity
members to (Aisne furwaid, and force the governmem to
adopt y and retrenchment, us the only 111C:IIIS of
sieving the country.
Mr. HUSKISSON followed, and defended the plan pro-
posed by Lord Londonderry.
Cid. DAV II rose to express his surprise at the apathy
ill w hich hot towable members who were befort complain-
ing so loudly of apieultural distress heard the paltry and
itivtifficieut I ellUeViollti 110 -trod 11/ tine HMls(' by the 10.111 e
111111/.11:. Were their Ice.ings entifcly changed, and were
they satisfied with the stearures proposed ? Ile distrusted
tin pitife.sions and statements of the noble Marquis, after
the t xperience lie had had ft oat year to y eat of the proceed.
nit, of that Iluase. Ile comentled that the temporary ap•
propriation of the sinking fund, or the remission of 1111
innowit of taxes equivukut to it, in the present distrtssi-d
state of the (-motto', so far
would be the hest mean, of sapporting it, Especially w
hen
totaled with felfelleillll, Ili 1111 d economy its es cry blanch of
the public expenditure.
Mr. II M mid, toe noble Lord's plan of lending money
to the overseers of the poor wild, alien known from one
coil of the country to the othei, t guile nothing but contempt.
I t was made a boast, ton, to .t tile loan was tube in go1.1!
a if that wets now a matter al any inripm tance. The plan
....alit 64' a cei main tot lie count .I t a "old derange all the
'Peons which onset wise existed of bringing the 'greenhorn!
to-: b.; a level. ILL isittla:;i.g Vac :114:1Z} market