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THE NATIONAL IitGISTEIt

avoided. From hie soul be believed that could oaths,* been Mr. W. WYNN then proceeded to defend the eendact or
the case.—(Cheers,) For his part, he rejoiced that after ministers, in the whole course of the negociationi. It had, he
having used all his endeavour for 40 yearn for the establish- said, been asserted that by adoptiog at mere dignified system
anent of peace, he now saw ministers resolute in maiutaining it. England would have everted the war from Spain; but be was
He should not act either honestly or consistently if lie did not ready to maintain that upon every occasion it was stated to
atipreve of the line of conduct they had chosen on the °ovation, France that interference with the internal affairs of the Spanish
and bolding that opinion, he should sepprt them with his via action could rot be justified. He most heartily concurred in
"civilians vote.-'t Cheers from the ministerial side.) the censures repressed by the gentlemen on the opposite side
Mr. ROIIEKESON declared, that the country, could not be as well as by ministers on the conduct of France. He was
greenfly erected by war, although here and there ineoneeei. ready to admit that the invasion of Span by France was such
vices naightlog felt, and as England knew she had no friend but provocation as would justify England in going to war with
Spain on the contineet, the necessary support would not have the latter country, provided that war could be proved to be
been withheld upon this occasion. serviceable to the interests of England ; bat be would leave it
Mr. WILLIAMS said, that after all that bad bees said epos to the common sameof all who beard bins to decide upon the
this question, upon both sides of the House, there was bat one fitness.of such alternstiv., under existing eireanistaeces. The
consevient feeling, as to the enterprise of the French against right lies. gee!. thee adverted to the words " accursed leaner-
the Spanish goalies. Every man bad spoken is a lone befitting chical principle," which had eseapcd an honourable gest/emu
the House of Commons. The violence and profligacy of the (Hobbouse) in the course of the debate. It was, be said,
retools Goverainent having been admitted upon all bifida, the much to be regrett •d, that ear of the most admirable principles
wewelumou must be, that a stronger tone of reemeetranoe in at- of the British Constitutioe eboald have fallen under the coo-
tacking such flagrant atrocity might have been expected. The destination of any member of that House.
question was now, be believed, whether the feverish quiet, Mr. 110BHOLISE said he had nut used the words as they
which was called tranquillity, was worth half a year's purchase had been expounded by the tyrants of Europe.—{Hear.)
er not. The hon. gentleman then began to refer to the demi- Mr. W. WYNNE proceeded. lie really thought the bon.
meats before the House, to prove that the whole plea of the gentleman bad gone further. Violent language, however, bad
aegociation was mistakeo, and was just the course that was been used, and certainly cdald not be supposed to be 'Wee-
niest likely to fail where such a man as the King of Frame was lated to procure peace. L, _, ..
• putty. Mr. LEYSTER strongly objected O4 whole conduct of
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in an eloquent the government of Frahm, who bad actually mocked at the
speech defended the politics and justified the coogeet adopted declarations and authority of this country. The House iii 4 1
by the late Lord Londonderry. The right boa. gentleman also boldly and othly "preolaiseed the infamy and atrocity of sueo
petered into an able defence of the late arigociations, and gave conduct, although ia soother place it bad beea defended, Ind
his support to the amendment. eves attempted to I.e justified. Of the aoble peewit who hod
Sir ./. MACINTOSH took a review of the whole corms of thus stool- 6". Ass fin" of theolgin• le inolify the poet re'
the e•gociations in all their bearings. Netwitbstaading the voltam heasurt say, in the language of die poet—
able and eloquent speech which the House had jest beard, he 'to' ttieohnw:::aitrige, leeTtbsAblattbneneghieeatiarpeteemwhile hat ,(—(A laugh.)
most declare that he was not satisfied either with the conduct Did rot a defuses of such oppressive practice" segue the want
of the right boa. secretary fee foreige "Lairs, or the &them of coassion sense and common huniasityt With respell to the
which had been made for him. After taking • fall review of the „gociattoo„p„ the part of this coootry, he otaarid„„ them
whole negotiations, lie *oedema: them as destructive alike's( „ nothing "4, tie le„ the. a „pergaity of complaisance,
the honour of this country and the liberties of Europe. proceeding from a lendable inteatim of preventing hostilities,
Mr. PEEL defended the conduct adopted by the Govern- bat actually calculated to peedac. theit.....01„3,. „eel )
meat of this country. He contended that neither our honour Mr. W. WILLIAMS declarld, that be could aot masei-
our our interest required that we should go to war; that Prams* entioosly vote on either side. Time wee a warm which, in
did not ask it ; that Spain did not require it, and, above all, his opinion the House algid to adopt on so imports* an
that this country did not call for war. He contended, that the occasion. All party feeling eight to cease, and Parliament
conduct adopted by his right 110 n, friend on this occasion bad should speak to. Frame the strong language of remon
strance.gained him that best reward, the approval of his own conscience France had acknowledged principles which might be Don-
ated that of his country. sidcred a just cause of war, if war 'meld be thought justifiable
Sir F. BURD err supported the motion for censure. at all in the present cooditios of thiegs. It might not thee be
At half past one, there being a general cry for adjoarament, difficult to reconcile the Home. They might joie is as address,
the debate was again adjourned till to-morrow, establishing a principle eh' h might lead to restore peace to
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 30. Europe, by solemnly disapproving of the meroaohnients upon
Lord CRANEOURNE moved that • copy of the report of the Spanish nation.—(Hear, hear.)
the committee on the game laws be sent to the House of Lords. Lord PALMERSTON. in defending the misdeal of usisis-
-Ordered. tars, said, that to messes' and net to perform, would be the
Mr. S. RICE (for the bon. member fir Westminster, Sir F. coeds'st of a coward and • belly. Ali that could be does bad
Burdett) moved that there be laid before the House a list of been done to prevail upon Franca to cheep liar fatal revile-
the guild of merchants of Dublin ; a copy of the Lord Mayor's ties. These gentlemen who opposed the sevirdations had
proclamation respecting the statue of King William, and that agreed I. describing the Kings and Meister' of the 'matinee..
tbe town clerk of Dublin do attend the House on Friday sal maims as wholly destitute. of principle, and prolipte in the
ationight witb the slid documents.--Ordered. . extreme. How then yield they that& of remmutrating with
Mr. G. BENNET applied for leave to introduce a bill to abo- persons of such character—with them who were so ready to
lish the punishment of whipping. He complained that this trmnple upon ad that should operate EA a bond between men 'I
punishment was *either exemplary nor reformatory ;it produced Sir T. BLAKE strongly cousered the lies of policy adopted
no good ; keel), degraded and brutalised. He did not possess towards Spain. If he were 'Opened, be should despise all
the romantic Britian that no punishment was accessary ;—but neutrality ;he should say •he who to act for as is 0„1„a
the means were in existence to punish in a way that would be Mr. CANNING is • speech, the delivery of which micapied
useful—hard labour. He bad been amble to had any instance nearly two boors, defended sad awaked the line of ortod„t
where whipping had been useful ;it was the last remains of the adopted by Ministers.
erroneous system of our ancestors, and he trusted that they Mr. BROUGHAM, at a.erly meal tenth, expressed his
should get rid of such blot. According to relates, 6000 per- execrations of the Preach aggieseion, and urged that stronger
sons bad been logged within the tut six years ; but he hoped language should hare hoes used by gm, IV, • gimbal in
protest.
that such • disgraceful mud degrodiog wide of pa eds/meat inernefit. '
might be abolished. He noschttled with reeving for leave to *To abreviate these speeches so as to totals the spirit of them
bring in the bill. is not possible—to abreviate them withoot retaining the spirit
Mr. CURW EN secioeded the "notion. would be elms Iliac usedess,
Ald. C. SMITH agesidered that the punishment of whipping Mr. MACDONALD, in reply, said he was ready to yield to
was not altogether so useless as bad been imagined; he bad the suggestion of his hon. sod loomed friend, Rod to agree that
lumen priseoers who would rather endure twelve months ins- the amendment should stand is the foss e/ ea address, in the
prisoameat than be eipoe.d to the Piranha"' Of whiPPing' place of the original statics. (Cries of No, so; divide,
The ATTORNEY GENERAL -could not agree to this divide."
*weeping abolition of the punishment of whipping altogether Mr. CANNING—" After having sellheed for three long
if it were found objectionable in particular oases,
.they might nights, the criestaat, earemitting, unsparing, lectures of gentle-
be 'tried, instead of proposing the total abolition, , men opposite, for • too ready ion to the views of foreign
Mr. HORHOUSE said, teat punishing with whipping Kw Powers, it is Dow incumbent spun us to say, that we have to
disobedience to jail regulations was illegal. Where inaieted,
profit by the lessee of experience which these gentlemen have
it ought to result frommn the "men" ef a Court. He was against taught us, in return for our former alleged facility of coovissioo,
the mode of posishmeat, as being altogether of a most degrading end to decline assenting to the proposal for withdrawing the
tendency ; but decidedly that it ought to be regulated. original moths'. lam reads to admit with the hoe. gem:times
Mr. N. CALVERT did not deny that such punishment re- te. that their motion is now ithinteitigitde, aid I ant eir.
glared modification, but he believed that the whipping of • satisfied with the amend:neat of which they partially complain.
plates boy bad sometimes "saved him from the gallows, I repeat, however, that I cannot Canter in the suggestion of
die R. HERON observed, that the Paeishmeet of whipping withdrawing the original motion." (Good tamers from the lei-
degradedelie character, and maintained that it was not requisite. ideteriel benches.)
—Me we se active magistrate is his own county, and he bad The gallery wasthee tilnred fora division, amid • great
koown but one thetas's* where logging was indicted. poise, and ones of " Divide, divide."
Mr. PEEL we against the motion. He thrioght the total After
e,.....ere were
excluded,.,._
____,..2deo,
who ~... de.
abolitioa of the punishment of whipping would be attended with teroethed ;0774, divide, inorae that."•
thorn go forth to
dangerous consequences.
Dr. LUSHINGTON supported the motion. He thought
dtheectwoWlf Fdraleuena, enoisel"inusaelbtry toi"leasd abbletrase
the house. aStsetTi-- .
that the Pettish's*" 4‘lllogging**Pinned Primmers°lhardmed nisterial members below the bar, however, wiled fer • division,
habits, rather than reformed then,. He was disposed to be- in
004.4.4•••••
of
whioi, the down
were
cloud,
wed the Oppo.
lir" Milker' dim the whipping is public schools was earned aitiun were compelled to ramie in dm home. This event was
to an extent highly mischievous. Publio whipping was din-
hailed by the ministerial members with loud and repeated
gusting and repulsive to t • feelings Or lye people ; and if
sheers. The SPEAKER thee pot the question on the original
whipping were eituneat within priaua weire'ediere "la the gee' motion, which was carried is the negative. He next put the
grantee that it would not he harshly atbeinisteredt question on the amendment--tbe ministerial members cried
After seem observations from Mr. H. Gurney, Mr. Alderman " Aye :" the Opposition remained silent. The SPEAKER de-
Thompoes, &s. 1 dared that the question was carried ia die Armoire. Some
Mr.• G. RENNET resPliml* He wee me surprised that ""..
members am the Treasury beadb,anzisee that a divisive should
was met by Attotheys.teeweral and Secretaries of State, for each
stakre"ipalamei,wriesslltedbesoeesout that owls*
I,: NthoriLhad:
heterdhs isielorithesete.
who The
persons Seed ever apposed the aorta to ameliorate the atrocious
criminal code. Ile stood ap for the people of England against intended to vote for the amendment logo into the lobby, and.
the malligrase dMillm"'' 10wes, against subjecting the people these who meant to vote against it to remain in the haute. The
of England to totter"; and Be gnaw, and they anew too, that
Oppositioa proceeded bite the lobby, together with the miois•
they evild tio longer log in public. To attempt it soldiers
w tend voter ; but • few members on both sides were shut in
woad be required ; for the people of England would not minor the house in consequence of the lobby being too small to con-
them to whip a dog as magistrate loggers desired to punish
tain the ceded aneibers. This caused an appearance of a divi
poisoners. But such was their desire for flogging, they would
sion, when in fact there was nose.
not allow him to bring in the hill for the consideration of the
The "embers were announced to be as follows—For the
House ' - though be might fail •t it 110---- ' 139.

, and the cimet;y. He wee sure, .
now. that it world not be loon before his hill triumphed. theggo
istembers at this time of day bad the face to stand up and de-
fend logging.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw for a division. The
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anionthimet, $7ll-....ogainst it YO--majority .
Upon the 'notion of Mr. Path, *Pe boos' at Me o'clock ad-
journed to Friday.
FRIDAY, MAY 2.
Mr. Quinn,. the Yeoman Usher of the Blaek'Rod,

panther* were,--Cortbeseotios 37—.4ipanililf•--majority 13.
BEIM Bti.t..--Tbe report or the stailieleirca Ike interme-
diate duty Gs beer bill vies peetposed to Mesday nest.
Mr. HERRIES presented the ouluseittee's report talrith
isisaelleaeoee estimates
ADJOURNED DIERATE•Mrs WYNN meted the rot:implies
of the adjourned debate.

awned tie House to attend is the dew of Peat le bass the
Royal Assent given, by Coliandeaks, to sundry bilk. Elks
Lords.]
The Dublin Gu Light Bill was read a seeedd time.
Lord ALIHORP presented the Report of lb. Bedford and
Tillwportragnell Rued. 11111.