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position by any exertion of it abler the present system. It
was calamitous to behold the Goversimeut going on front
year to year as it did, seeing it, with regard to trade as to
aeances, trusting to the ensuing year. When questions of
11;,;;;;:z;-; :peered to stand by with the
import mow ;4,
view of seeing where there was the more interest, and bow
they could best retain their places.—(Cheers)—He wished
to see this conduct changed ; he wished to behold them come
down and meet questions like Statesmen.—(Hear. bear °—
The Wool Tax was likely soon to come under damask's',
and then they should hear what the Ministers had to say;
but he was astonished to hear the Honourable Gentlensio
(Mr. Robieson) declare, without having heard one word of
the discussi 11l i . that it was not the intention of Government
I to make any alterati4n in the tax. Much must be done before
relief could be obtained. Tilers: t!!"! be a revision of the
revenue laws an abandonment of restrictions on
ilea; and a giving up of the idea of growing every thing
amongst ourselves.—(Hear, hear I) '"he timber trade was
labouring undermost pernicious regulations. He understood
that there was a falling off in the Customs for the last year
of upwards of a million and a half.—(Hear o—The Petiti-
oners recommended the revision of all the tottrietions,
as best calculated to promote the general interests of the
country. He believed lie had mentioned the main topics of
the Petitioners. lie trusted that the House would take
them into consideration, to see whetb..r any relief could be
given by so extension of trade. If it were seen that the
House took the subject into consideration, examining the
interests of all, with the view of promoting the advantage
of all, the country would derive satisfaction from a fact,
that could out fail to promote a desirable good understand-
iug.—(Cbeers.)
The Petition was thee brought op and read, Mr. Baring
observing, that he had &similar Petition from the Chamber '
of Commerce. Edinburgh.
Mr. P. GRENFLLL having complimented the able
manner in which the Petition had been brought forward,
said that he approved of all the principles coat:slued in the
Petition; and that in or out of the House he should be
must happy to do all in his power to give effect to the
Petition..
The Mon. F. ROBINSON admitted that the subject war
of great importance. He had expressed the opinion, and
he now repeated it, that the system of restrictions was
founded in erroneous principles but be 'could not think that
these principles had been adhered to more with the view of
keeping their places, than from any conviction of their
propriety. But though he agreed in the Hon. Member's
main principles—and that improvement might be made....
yet a change could not at once be effected. The system
had grown up in a lung progress of time, and it was deeply
rooted.
After some extended remarks from Mr. Ricardo, Mr.
Marryatt, &c. the Petition was ordered to be printed.
CIVIL LIST.
The CHANCELLOR of'the EXCHEQUER, as late as
nine o'clock, presented the Report of the Resolutions
regarding the Civil List, without entering alto much de-
tail; and he moved that they be agreed to.
Lord J. RUSSELL opposed this motion, contending
that iavestigathin ought to precede the adoption of such
opinions, and that it was the understanding .0 1818, that
there should be inquiry on the demise of George 111. and
on the rearettlemeut of the Ci;iil List. He hoped lie had
said enough to induce the house to go into an inquiry on
the subject of the Civil List; and be should therefore
conclude by moving, as an amendment, that the word
" now" be omitted, and that the words " this day week"
be inserted.
Mr. WARRE seconded the amendment. When the
civil list was arranged its 1816, be had thought inqniry
essential; but now, at the commencement of a new reign,
he thought the subject still More imperatively called for
investigation. (Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER having pat the original motion and the
amendment,
Mr. HUSKISSON said, in the first parliament of a new
reign, such an inquiry as that proposed by the noble Lord
was likely to be received with great favour. But lie would
tell the noble Lord, that, in the practice of former reigns,
there was no precedent for such an inquiry. There was no-
thing in the circumstances of the late demise, or the pre-
sent accession, whirls could be urged as a reason tar
taking the civil list Ullt of its ordinary course. It remained
fur the hoe. gentlemen opposite to show iu what particu-
lar the sans granted uy parliament to the Regency, for the
due support of the splendour of the throne, had beeu too
meets, taking into account the increased expenses which
had at that time devolved upon it. It was upon those
grounds which he had endeavoured to make out that lie
should oppose the motion of the gable Lord. He felt
satisfied that there was no bead of those expenses, to
which the noble Lord's speech had alluded, which Parlia-
ment was now fairly called upon to remodel.
Mr. TIERNEY said, this discussion came on under
circumstances of a 'nature perfectly unparalleled. It
regarded hie appropriation of a suns of 1160,000 i. at a
period of public distress entirely unprecedented. He
did not know but that the result of an inquiry might lie
to establish the charge et the civil list at what it was ;
neither did be know but what it might be to show, that it
should amount to less thins what it was by I thou-
send pounds: but this he knew, that if a saving of only
one thousand pounds could be effected, it should be
adopted. (Hear, hear) Now he begged not to be
understood as at all stating that such a saving could or
could not be made. That was to appear by the report of
such a committee as be wished to see appointed. In a
bill to provide for the regulation and indiutenauce of the
royal household, her Majesty was altogether excluded.
The giounds upon which this exclusion had bete made,
they might some day have an opportunity of discussing,
but he must consider it as most extraordinary that her
Majesty was times situated. The grounds of such her
condition were beyond all human comprehension. She
was to be considered, and lied been recognised, as
Queen of England by the Lord Chancellor, and by one or
' two other e iiiiii ent inaisideals, and, happily for herself,wds
represented by his hun.und learned friend (M r.Brougliam).
It was, indeed, exi ram %heavy that there should be this
omission. Hr insist say, that lie never expected .o be
called upon to vote fur a bill to provide fur the mainte-
lidliCe of the Royal ?Amity and Household, out of winch
the QUerli of England herself was to be excluded, alter
bring recognized by she Lind High Client:Our. He
wined let this pars s hut he could owl help observing, (het
either her Majesty was very hardly used, or else that its
Majesty was very hardly used. Of what wheelie, d did
this large suns of J 5.1,00.1. consist ? Suppose it were re-
presented by Lord Liverpool and the Chancellor of the
Laebequer, that his Majesty wished to add to his pro-

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petty at Brighton a considerable extent of land, and the • ,
it was fit that the sum of 20,0001. should he 111iid into the
privy purse tor that purpose, who, after at arab so paid,
mild be called upoc to account for the appropriation of
the money? Did the house think it right that such a power
of making direct presents to his Alajesty should .exist ?
He did not mean lo charge the present government with
any endeavour by a circuitous mode to obtain the
money themselves, for; inch was not the fashion of
the times, amid he sincerely believed they were limp*.
ble of It; but it was clear that they always possessed
the means of currying the royal favour, and tamper.
leg with the royal feelings in this way. Suppose ally one
at the ministers had given offence to be sovereign, and
wished to make it up by a little money paid into the privy
purse; according to the present arrangement he eosin do
!!, ide:l2:l, t.eurt, he 414 not suspect that it could
bare the desired effect. He knew nothing from autho-
rity, but it was a common p thin what every body
Bailment be true to a certain extent; and would any man
deny that his late Majesty died worth a great deal of
property ? This property must have been saved out of
the civil list; and was the country to be saddled with a
heavy civil list, in order to enatile the sing to make
savings? True it was that his late Majesty had a large
family to provide for, bet no such motive existed ht.lbe
present case. At this moment, every farthing saved to
the station was of importance, and what pretence was
thee for granting one single sixpence beyond what
was necessary? Then, why not inquiry what was ue-
cessary, and surely the enormous sum of 383,0001.
was of itself a sufficient reason for a minute investigation.
—The lion. Gentlemaa here went iato a minute aad taut
argumentative detail of the immense sures that should bb
deducted from the amount of the Civil List, on account of
the death of the late Kin 4, Qirees, Princess Charlotte. and
Ouke of Kent, and concluded by saying—" An oppor-
tunity like the present may never, perhaps, agile occur,
for there never was a moment so favourable fur obtaining
popularity oil the purl of lift Crown.--(Cheers.)-1
am i confident of this as I am of my existence, that if his
Majesty had not been surrounded by those who Aare him this
bad advic.., he would have stood in a very different position
be.ore his people to that which he now occupies. (Cheers.)
Every man must be aerate that the country looks alto
great anxi• ty to the deliberations of the Blithe on this •
question; nut merely because it is agitated at tile commute-
went of a new reign, but because it *ill take the decision
as au earliest of the intentions of Ministers fur the future.—
( Hear, hear 1)—I say, and I ray it Wiwi the fear of coo-
tradiction, that there arc large ems, which, if a proper
inquiry were set on foot, might be saved to the country.
I say, too, that all ranks are bound to make sacrifices; and,
by going into this committee, the House will ut once set an
example that its great object is ecoowny and public relief,
without spanng any quarter, whether high or low. (Cheers.)
get it do its duty honestly, fairly, and impartially. I have
done mine, and I repeat that I have nut dune it without
great pain to myself. I implore the House to listen to {the
complaints out of doors, to entertain the proposition; and
I entreat Honourable Gentlemen, before they decide against
all inquiry, to consider what they owe to those who seat
them here. as well as what they owe to the tuitional tran-
quillity and the security of the Howarth." The Right Hon.
Gentleman sat down amid the cheers of the Home which
lasted for some time.)
Mr. CANNING contended for the propriety of passing
the Civil List as it was arranged in NIA
Some further conversation occerred at this point between
Mr. Tierney, Mr. Canning, and the Chaucellor of the Exche-
quer, but in so indistinct a torte that it was not audible in the
gallery.
A division thee took place s the number were—

For the origioal question.......
For Lord J. Russell's ameadritent 157
Majority
On our re.admission into the gallery we found Sir J.
NEWPORT very warmly protesting against the passage
of the vote of 275.0004. for the civil list of Ireland without
inquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarked,
that there was nu altimition its this resolution from the old
Civil List.
Mr. TIERNEY said a few words; after which the reso-
lution was agreed to. The other resolutions were also
adopted, and the hillsordered to be brought in accordingly.
Adjourned at twelve o'clock.
TUISUAT, MAT 9.
Mr. GOOCH presented a Petition from landholders of
Suffolk, numerously Mimed, praying for protecting duties
against the importation of Foreign Coro.
Mr. GOOCH then presented a similar Pelitlon from 40
gentlemeu serving on two Grand Juries in Suffolk, and a
•lar Petition from persons resident in Ipswich.—Seve-
rally read, ordered to he on the mile, and to lie printed.
Sir W. LEMON presented a Petition from Agricnlta•
rusts in the comity of Cornwall, complaining of distress.
Mr. COKE presented Petition from fanner&
Is Norfolk.
Mr. HOME SUMNER presented a Petition front
farmers in Surrey, complaining of the distress of Agricul-
ture—distress which was but too manifest as pervading
the whok kingdom. He gave notice, that WI Tuesday,
May SO, he should move to refer the Agricultural Petitioto
to a Select Committee, to ascertain whether any and what
relief ought to be afforded. (Hear.)
Mr. U. W. HARVEY moved for an account of coin
belonging to a person named Thompson, seized in 1511,
by revenue officers, and how the same d been disposed
of.—Ordered.
CRIAMMAL LAWS.—Sir J. M'INTO3II rose, pursuant
to notice, to move for the revival of the Criminal Laws'
Committee, and for leave to bring in six Bills to amend
the Criminal Laws, according to the recommendatiou of
the former repot ts.
Mr. CANNING should not oppose the motion. To
support the Bills be should not pledge himself—but there
would be no objections to them except where they were
seen to be actually necessary.
Committee appointed.
Sir J. APINTOSH then moved for leave to bring in
Rills to repeal la Aim, which took away the benefit of
clergy for privately stealing in dwelling-houses; 10 and
11 Will. 111. for privately stealing in shops to the value of
.is.; 21 Geo. 11. making it capital to steal on Navigable
elvers; slot to tepee' certain Acts creating capital felo-
nies specified therein.
Motion agreed tu, as well as leave to bring in a Bill to
consolidate the laws respecting forgeries.
sir J. ANNTOSH afterwards brought in Iris several
Criminal Laws amendment Bills, which were read • first
time, and ordered to be reed a second tam Nay 30.

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