The Sun.
London, England, 1855-05-10 00:00:00

TlnvfitilinNt PENTTING, MAY 10. 1051:

'arse never suppesed the fruop4 would have wintered
in the Crimea, because it was expect-el they wou d
hive been in Seble-t in a week. He was
once in Belaklava harbour, and thought it emal', and
there were vessels enough in the harbour at the time of
the loss of the Prince : the arrangements fur the harbour
he left to Achnii al Boxer. He could not have trans-
ported the troops easier from Constantinople than front
Varna. He did not consider himself answerable for the
transport service, that befiz left to Lord Raglan, Admi-
ral Boxer, and Captsin Christie. He considered
" Boxer a very useful fellow, but not very polished"—
(laughter)—and he never had any occasion to represent
his conduct to Lord Raglan. The first intimation be had
to fit up hospital ships was from Sir James Graham,
but they were not fitted up properly for the large num-
ber of sick and wounded brought on board, the number
being larger than they had ever anticipated. If more
had been fitted up there would have been a deficiency of
ships for horses and baggage. His fleet was well-man-
ned, but he bad notsa sufficiency of assistant-surgeons. He
was able to procure plenty of fresh meat, though not of
the best quality. .
The gallant Admiral's evidence was then closed, and
probably much shortened from many of the questions
put to him, but which were not answered, involving
reference to the demands made on the French for assist-
ance.

The room was uga'n cleared, and, after deliberating
half-an-hour, the committee adjourned at half-past three.

ARMY BEFORE SEBASTOPOL COM-

MITTEE.

(Continuation of the Right Hon. Sidney Herbert's

evidence.)

General Peel—What authority had you over the mili-
tia ?—I had the same authority over the militia that I
had over the army—namely, a financial authority.
Had you any power to embody regiments or to select
regiments for embodiment l—No ; that was a matter
entirely in the hands of the Secretary of State. He
merely recommended regiments for embodiment to Lord
Palmerston. Towards the beginning of November be
got together a good deal of information as to the best
mode of recruiting the army, and he came to the conclu-
sion that he should act with greater probability of suc-
cess through the medium of the militia than by any other
means. He circulated a memorandum among the mem-
bers of the Government more directly interested in the
subject, and my views having been adopted by the Go-
vernment, when Lord Palmerston went to Paris for two
days in November, he asked him to authorise the Home-
office to call out any regiments he might specify. He
used that authority by calling out and embodying certain
regiments. . . . .

Mr. Layard—ln what relation did your department
stand with respect to the Horse Guards ?—My depart-
ment was purely a financial one.
Do you know that Lord Hardinge was consulted by
the Cabinet as to what took place in the East ?—Cer-
Did the Cabinet act upon the report of Lord Har-
dinge ?—Lt,rd Hardinge drew up schemes for the orga-
nisation of the army, which were acted upon.
Not for operattnns in the field ? —Nut ill any respect.

The state of things with respect to the hospitals at
Scutari being such as you have described, did it occur to
you to inform Lord Hardinge that somebody had not
done his duty 7—l think Lord Hardinge perfectly agreed
with me that somebody was to blame, but the difficulty
was to lay our hands on the right man.
Did you ascertain, in communication with Lord Har-
dinge, who that somebody was ?—Even to this moment
I hesitate to fix the blame upon any one individual.
The Chairman—Do you think there are more than
one ?—The public have the impression that the system
was very much to blame, and that the alteraton of the
system would remove the evil. Ido not believe, how-
ever, that the difference between one sy-tem and another
is nearly so great as between une man and another. A
bad system will work well with s good man, but a good
system will not work well with an inferior man. In
consequence of the long peace no one has seen any mili-
tary operations on a large scale, and the various officials
were frightened at the respon,ibility and expense they
might incur. It has been said by Dr. A. Smith, and
the remark will apply to other persons, that he was
months before he could bring himself to believe that he
coull spend as touch money as he pleased.
During 40 years' peace has the >ystem improved or
gone down ?—lt is better for some purposes and worse
for others.

Where did the Duke of Wellington acquire his expe.
rience ? Had he not many difficulties to contend with
—Originally, I should think he had.
His experience was gained in India !—Yes.

Do ymi think that tin) battles in which he was engaged
in India were greater than the battles that have taken
place during the last 20 years ?—That is a matter of
opinion.
The Chairman—You say it is better to have a bad
system with a good man than to have a good system
with a bad man. But what would you do supposing you
had a bad system and bad men tool—ln that case you
must try and reform your system, and experience will
soon show you who are the good men.
Lord Seymour—The Duke of Newcastle expressed his
approval of the manner in which his subordinates had
discharged their duties. Were you satisfied with the
manner in which the various duties connected with your
department were discharged ?—I am bound, in grati-
tude to the gentlemen employed in the War-office, to
say that I believe it is the best con4tituted office under
the Crown. My subordinate; worked with great zeal.
I made great demands upon their time ; their office
hours were lengthened, but I never heard a murmur.
Never was a man better served by his subordinates than
I was. The promotions in that office go by merit, and
not by seniority, though occasionally that rue has been
departed from. But the result of the system was not
good. There was a constant strain upon every person
employed, and whenever promotions were made I was
met by reproaches and remonstrances from persons who
considered themselies to have been passed over. Lat-
terly clerks have been introduced at the bottom of the
list by means of examination.

Did you find, practically, that the separation of the
Secretaryship of the Colonies from the office of Secre-
tary for War was a great arivantage ? Very great,
indeed. In fact, it would have been i•upossible to carry
on the war without separating the two offices.
Did you make any proposal to Government for any
further change the first place, I proposed to the
Dike of Newcastle, with a view to correct certain evils,
that there should be periodical meetings of the War De-
partment, the head of the military departments and my-
self, so that whatever orders were given should be given
to each in the presence of all.

The Chairman—Was that proposal adopted ?—lt
was ; but, subsequently, the Government catne to the
conclusion that would be well to give these meetings
a more formal character. An order in Council was
therefore obtained fixi' g the meetings, and potting cer-
tain necessary limitations upon the powers of a military
hoard.

Lord Seymour—Are the committee to tmderstand
that, in consequence of the organisation of the various
departments not beieg satisfsctory, you recommended
these periodical meetings ?—I was desirous that the
whole financial bu-iness of the Ordnance should be con-
sidered at a board such as I proposed, and that the
powers of the Board of Ordnance should be confiued to
the materiel of the army. The plan was agreed to. I
drew up a letter fr r the Duke' of Newcastle to the Pre-
sident of the Council, applying for an order in council,
but in the meantime a motion was made in the House of
Commons, which terminated in the disruption of the
Government. It was not intended that the board should
have any executive functions as a board,- but the whole
power al:d authority were to remain in the hands of the
Secretary of State. The members of the board were to
advise with him, and to receive his orders in his presence.
Such a system as that might have been adopted in
August or September last ?—No, I think not ; because
it is very important in matters of this kind not to make
too sudden a disturbance of the existing state of things.
A very small disturbance drranges the method of de-
partments, and it would not have been prudent to re-
model the whole without some experience as to what
ought to be done. The change I proposed was this :
That the Board should consist of the Secretary of State,
who shout' be assisted and advised by th.e Commander-
in-Chief, the Master-General of the Ordnance, if there
was one, a Commissary-General, and the Secretary at
War. The Secretary at War would have exercised a
wholesome check over the expenditure of the army, and
would have moved the estimates, not only for the army,
but for the Ordnance and Commissariat, and the House
of Commons would have been enabled to obtain at one
view the gross expenses of the army, with the exception
of the materiel, the Ordnance remaining purely a manu-
facturing establishment.

• Would -that have brought the War Department into
something resembling the organisation of the Admiralty ?
—Yes ; ouly I think the authority of the Secretary of
State would have been more defined than in the Admiralty.
Mr. Ellice— But you would not necessarily have made
the Secretary of State a member of the Board I—l think
that where there is a Board the President of the Board
should always be there. I would not have had the busi-
ness of the War Department conducted by a Board, but
all I propos ed was, that the Secretary of State should
summon the heads of various departments to give him
their advice and receive his orders. The board would
have consisted of the Commander-in-Chief to govern the
army, the 31:aster-General of the Ordnance to arm and
equip the a rniy, the Secretary-at-War to control the
finance of the army, and a Commissary-General to feed
the army.

Mr. Ellice— -Entertaining these opinions, do you think
it was prudent just at the time the war broke out to
render the mac iiinery of the different departments less
efficient than ;,t bad been during a time If peace—in
point of fact, to attempt to c;;rry on the admii:istration
of the army mit hunt t Master-General of the Orlbance
or a Surveyor it the Thant of Ordnance I—The ca,,e of
'the Master-G, metal was a peculiar one. It was thought
that Lord Rai ;fan was 'peculiarly qualified for the ser-
vice he had in Land, bu.:, if he had been retained here as
Master-Genera the country would hare been deprived
of his services ; and, on the other hand, there was an
ofEct r of great experience who. could he placed at, the
head of thept) tannel of-the Ordnance-,-namely, Sir Hew
Ross.

Sir Hew R ass has stated that the authority of the
Mater-Genet al is paramount, but that he (Sir H. Ross)
could not su pers.:de the authority of the Board ?—Sir
Thomas H4s. ;in gs states that according to his patent the
Lieutenant-Cler .eral ..f tht Ordnance had all the autho-
rity of the No Aer•General.
But Sir Her v Rua: has stated that he had not that
authority
neral, in the
.bsence of the Master-General had supreme
should imagine that the Lieutenant-Ge-
authority. •
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Theittee rose M 10 minutes to four o'clock.

DIL!,rIADPUL esIIIPIYizt.CK uP TIIM Joill%l
—.FRIGUTFUL b' SS OF LIFE.

The following is a more detailed account of this dread
ful and fatal wi eck than has yet been published :
One of the most distressing and me atcholy cases of
shipwreck ever remembered on the west. rn shores took
place on Thursday night last, on the Mena.&es Rock, off
St. Kererne, on the coast of Carnwal. Tne unfortunate
barque, the John, of Plymouth, Captain R twle, left
Plymouth Sound on the afternoon of Thursday, bound
for Quebec, having on board 149 adult passengers. 98
children, and 16 infants, together with a crew, in all,
of 19 ; making the total number of souls on board 232.
The passengers were principally from the north of
Devon, the great source of American emigration in
the west of England ; numbers from other parts
of that county ; and the remainder from the counties
of Cornwall, Dorset, and Somerset—in fact, she
was considered what is termed a west-country ship,
Numbers of the friends of the unfortunate passengers
accompanied them to Plymouth to bid a farewell, and,
as the melancholy sequel proved, a last adieu to many
of those whom they loved and respected.
The departure of the ship was witnessed and cheered
by numerous persons assembled on the Hoe. She left
the Sound at four p.m., on the top of ebb tide, with a
favourable wind off the land ; and all bid fair for a rapid
and prosperous voyage down Channel. How these hopes
were blighted it appears impossible to say, so varied are
the accounts furnished by those who have been spared
to tell of the catastrophe ; all seem, however, to unite
in a complaint of mismanagement against the captain,
and so embittered were the survivors towards him that
it is stated the coastguard were obliged to afford him
protection from their fury. But whether this anger
arose from a belief that 'the accident was the result of
inattention on his part—or that: the captain and crew
saved themselves, as stated, to the sacrifice of the pas-
sengers—or, in fact, what gave rise to this angry feeling
in all, it would be wrong to say until evidence shall be
taken, as it may be 'eas:ly imagined that parents made
childless, husbands widowers, and children parentless—
men who had left bowie full of hopes for the future, end
most of whom, even if free from the sad embitterment
of loss of wife, husband, or child, had lost all the wealth
probably they were possessed of in the world, would
give vent to complainitige against one to whose charge
they had entrusted both life and property.
The scene when the vessel struck, as may be antici-
pated, was most distressing ; the utmost confusion pre-
vailed, and most of those on board gave themselves up
in despair. The account rendered by one of the pas-
sengers is most heart-rending, though of the chat so-
ter of all similar disasters, except that human
sympathy was in this case the more excited from the
number of children on board, and from the extraor-
dinary efforts of their parents to ere them from the
death impending. One of the passengers, William
Walton, a man of apparently sickly and delicate con-
stitution, succeeded, as the vessel settled in the water,
in taking his wife and six children into the rigging one
by one—the youngest unfortunately fell from the mother's
arms into the sea ; the father, though unable to swim,
plunged after it, but failed in his noble effort to save his
child, and with difficulty regained the ship. Another,
William Clemerce, who had a wife and ten chilerea on
board, attempted to raise the 6 youngest of them into the
rigging by the aid of a "sheet," with which he had tied
them together. Unfortunately he failed in his efforts,
and the whole six were drowned.. Samuel Rogers, a
boy, aged 15, one of the other passengers saved, has lost
his father, mother, two. brothers, a sister, and a cousin.
Henry North, saved, lost his wife and three children.
As far as we can glean facts from parties on board, it
appears that all went prosperuusly tat about half-past
nine, when they made the Falmouth light, the captain
himself pointing it out to one of the passengers on deck.
Just at this time the second mate was trying to sight
the Lizard light, and he asked serne of the paesengere it
they could not see the reffect:on of the light in the sky ;
they replied they coull not, when the captain said he
could not either, but they would see it fast enough when
they got there. It was the second mate's watch, and
the captain shortly after went below. About ten o'clock
the mate came on the poop and asked the passengers if
they had seen the captain, and on being asked what he
wanted the captain for, he said he (the mate) thought
they were a deal too nigh land. Shealy after i his the
captain came on deck, and what the mate had stated,
"that they were getting too close on land," was re-
ported to him ; the captain pooh-poohed the report.
Soon afterwards some one forward sung out "rocks,"
and almost immediately the vessel struck with vio-
lence, so much so that she humped over the rock, and
then struck with still greater force upon rocks further
in • the captain Was then distinctly heard to
call out "run her aground." The vessel then
had all sail on her with great way, as she was when the
accident happened going eight or nine knots, and though
ran aground the sea washed her off again, and she ran
down the coast for some distance. An attempt was
then made to bring her up by letting go her anchor, when
she grounded heavily broadside on. Attention was then
directed to the boats—of which had she four on board,
three on deck, and one over the side—the captain, four
seamen, a boy, and one passenger jumped into the latter
boat and called out to lower, but finding no one answered
the call, the captain returned to the deck of the vessel,
when the boat was lowered. On her touching the water
it was found there was no plug in her, and she was with-
out thowle pins. While they were waiting to supply
these deficiences her tackle became unhooked, and the
boat drifted off from the vessel without the captain. The
men put their knives in for thowle pins, and the passenger
his German pipe for a like purpose, and they pulled out
to sea to get round a point of rocks over which the
breakers were rolling heavily. When they had wea-
thered this point they pulled for the land, on nearing
which they saw a light. Not being able to find a landing-
place they called aloud for help, when they were heard
by the son of Lieut. M`Lean, of the coast-guard, who
pointed out a place of landing. Immediately the alarm
was spread that a vessel had struck on the Manacles.
An attempt was then made to pull out some of the coast-
guard boats without success, from the dangerous cha-
racter of the coast. The passenger who had got on shore
was taken by the coast-guard people in their attempt to
put out to assist the vessel, in order to direct them where
she lay, those of the ship's crew who got ashore ped-
tively refusing to lend even this assistance. Unfortu-
nately the boats could not reach the vessel, and were
compelled to return to the shore. They postponed all
further efforts till the following morning, when,
going further up the coast to a more favourable
place of embarkation, they reached the vesse',
which was then not above 200 yards from the shore.
During the whole of this time, the crew being fur the
most part intoxicated, nut a single effort was made
to cave the passengers by either captain or crew.
Some of the passengers attempted of themselves to
get the cutter out ; in so doing they stove her bottom
and lost the boat. The tide at the time the vessel struck
was about two-thirds ebb, and when she sunk she fitted
with water, hut the decks were ery, and if assistance had
been rendered at this time ad might have been safely
landed. Unfortunately, fur the want of some directieg
mind, this opportunity was lost, and on the returning
tide some portion of those on board got into the rigging,

the crew getting in the tops, while-a
large number of
the passengers took shelter in the long boas—the boat
was floated out of the chocks and beaten across the
deck against the bulwarks until she was knocked to
piece, and the whole of her living freight either crushed
or drowned. The rising tide soon did its work, wash-
ing the unfortunate people off the decks and out of the
lower rigging, most of them having from cold and suffer-
ing lost even the little energy necessary to make a fur-
ther ascent up the rigging. In the morning the sur-
vivors were taken off the wreck by the coast guard and
landed at Coverack, St. Keverne, when they met the
most hospitable reception from the inhabitants.
One of the passengers, Mr. E. C. Hele, of Dawlish,
being provided with a life-belt, swam ashore in the
night, and he declares, that had the boats been lowered
'Assn she struck all might have been saved. Another
of the passengers, Mr. Knuckey, lately returned from
Anetralia, lost 5001. of his earnings, but succeeded in
taking ashore 700 sovereigns in , a belt. Elizabeth
Pearce and Mary Ann Penman, two of the parties
save,'!, left the service of Mrs. Hector, 2, Albany-place.
Anooer passenger among the fortunate survivors, who
left the dockyard to emigrate, as if foreseeing the chance
of calamity, asked for a week's leave only, instead of his
discharge from the service. This would have expired to-
morrow ; he now returns in time to retake his employ-
ment. Seventy-six of the bodies of the unfortunate
people were buried in 36 coffins on Sunday, in St. lie-
Verne churchyard, relations being buried together.
Immediately the melancholy intelligence reached this
place it was telegraphed to the Admiralty and to the
emigration commissioners, upon which the former di-
rected Sir William Parker, the commander-imchief, to
despatch the Avon, Second Master Veitch in command,
to the scene of the disaster, and which returned to Fal-
mouth last evening, bringing a number of the passengers
saved. The emigration commissioners -also directed
Lieutenant Carew, R.N., agent at Falmouth, to proceed
at once to the wreck, and tnat gentleman left on Satur-
day evening. The Board of Trade also despatched an
officer to institute an inquiry into the circumstances of
the wreck, under the provisions of the new act, which
earns into operation on the Ist instant, Commander Bald-
win Walker, of the Coast Guard, having made the pre-
liminary inquiry as the act directs.
In the interim the coroner of the district has been per-
forming the melancholy duty of holding inquisitions on
the bodies thrown up by the sea. The evidence at the
inquest showed that there was not a single palliating cir-
cumstance
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curnstance in favour of the captain. The vessel struck
at ten p.m., and all were safe until daylight the next
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volunteered to go to his its-tistance. The great toes of
life was occasioned by so many of the passengers getting
into the rigging that it broke away, the parties
into the sea, those not able to swim, or not strueg
enough to regain the vessel, perishing.
The Jury having beard all the evidence, in recording
their verdict, Weerved that they caitsi& red the conduct
of tins whole Of the crew, with the exception of a sea
man named Elder, most iilamEa'sle, and expressed their
surprise that the ship was not supplied with a signal gun
nor blue lights, and recommended that a light should be
Placed on the Manacles. Agairst the captain (Rawls-)
they returned a verdic:, of manslaughter, and the coro-
ner's waerant was at once issued fur his apprehension,
and on which he has been lodged in. the Cornwall county
gaol at Bud min.
The passengers who have survived have received their
,passages back again, but instances where survivors have
lost relatives, the passage money of the deceased has
not b,:sen repaid.
'The following is the list of passengers depos;ited at the
Custom-house prior to the sailing of the ship :
Cabin Passengers. --Mr. C. Hele 20; Mr. Horubrook,
45 ; Mr. Knuckey, 351 W. Morey, Mre. Morey, ~
Steerage Passengers.---Charldtte Ash; 22; W. H. ditto,
1; Henry Autridge, 51, labourer; Honor, ditto, 51, wife; J

Elizabeth ditto, 16 ; Jane Bartlett, 37 ; James 4!i, to. 1 ;
John Burnett, 24, labourer ; William Brooke, 22, ditto ;
Joseph Bowden, 23, ditto ; John A. Bone, 34, smith; Ann
ditto, 32,.wife ; Jane A. ditto, 10 ; Amelia ditto, 7; Anne
ditto, 2 ; Richard ditto, 40; Jas. Clarnpett 32, labourer ;
El:z i ditto. 24, wife ; Emma J. do., 1; W. Clemence, 44;
Caroline ditto, 44 ; Mary A. ditto, 21 ; Caroline do., 17 ;
Elizabeth ditto, 13 ; W. Henry ditto, 11 ; Ann ditto, 8 ;
Ellen ditto, 7; Robert ditto, 4; Silas Creper, 25, shoe-
maker ; Mark Chauut, 19, labourer; W. E. Churchward,
31, plumber ; Samuel Diamond, 30, labourer ; W. H.
Down, 25, stonemason ; John ditto, 30, smith ; Wilmot
ditto, 28,, wife; Samuel Drewe, 20; William Dawson, 22,
carpenter ; Susannah Doidge, 51; Jane Doidge, 25 ;
Frances Doidge, 6 ; Jane Doidge, 2 ; Eliza ditto, 21,
servant ; Robert Daw, 30, labourer ; Johanna ditto,
37, wife; James Eastcott, 59, labourer; Jane ditto, 57,
wife ; Jane ditto, 12 ; Elizabeth ditto, 10; Mary ditto, 2 ;
Sarah ditto, 30; W. N. ditto, 7; Mary J. ditto, 6; Eliza-
beth ditto, 5 ; Ann ditto, 3 ; John ditto, 1; Samuel Fea-
therston, 47, carpenter; Mary ditto, 47, wife; Mary A.
ditto, 24, servant ; Betsy ditto, 23, ditto ; Jane ditto, 19 ;
Harriett, ditto, 17, ditto ; John ditto, 13 ; George ditto,
11 • Lucy, ditto, 8 ; Sarah, ditto, 4 ; Gibbings, 35,
labourer ; Mary ditto, 27, wife ; Thomas ditto, 7 • Samuel
ditto, 5 ; George ditto, 2 ; John Garland, 31, labourer ;
Mary ditto, 42, wife; John ditto, 6; William ditto, 4;
Ann ditto, 1; Henry Hocken, .19, shoemaker; Thomas
Hill, 23, shoemaker; Fanny ditto, 23, wife; Betsy ditto,
3' • Emma ditto, 1 ; John Houghton, 35 miller ; Robert
Hellier, 38; Ellen ditto, 36, wife; William ditto, 12 ;
Dinah ditto, 10; Harriett ditto, 8 ; Anna ditto, 6 ;
Robert ditto, 4 ; James ditto, 1 ; Robert Honey, 36,
baker ; Mary ditto, 31, wife ; Samuel ditto, 10 ; Susan
ditto, 8 ; Lucy ditto, 6 ; John ditto, 5 ; Emma ditto,
4 • Mark ditto, 1; James Hocken, 24, carpenter ; Ann
Harris, 41; Williatn ditto, 10 ; Mary J., ditto, 3 ; Ann
Hodsoll, 4J ; Nancy ditto, 17 • Joseph ditto, 13 ; George
ditto, 12; Rosina ditto, 10;
Sarah ditto, 8 ; Emma ditto,
5 ; Sophia ditto, 3 ; Eliza ditto, 1; Edwin Hayne, 21;
Henry Jeffery, 24, labourer ; Maria ditto, 23, wife ; Mary
A. ditto, 4 ; William H.' ditto, 1; Wm. Kelly, 18, la-
bourer ; Harriett Martin, 3J ; Richard ditto, 11; James
H. ditto, 9 ; Maria ditto, ditto, 3 ; Georgina ditto, 2 ;
Jos. Lander, 24, tailor ; Ann ditto, 22, wife ; H Lacy,
19, labourer; John Morcombe, 25. labourer ; Jane ditto,
22, wife ; George ditto, 4 ; John ditto, 2 ; Ellen ditto, 1;
Dinah Mortimore, 25, servant ; Eliza ditto, 20. ditto ;
Richard Mead, 19 ; H. North, 31 ; Mary A. ditto, 28,
wife ; Henry P. ditto, 5; Eliza ditto, 3; George ditto, 1 ;
Ellen Paul, 21, servant ; Simon Pattenme' 19, labourer ;
John Phare, 29, shoemaker; Eliza ditto, 26, wife; Eliza
ditto, 6; John ditto, 4 ; Elizabeth ditto, 2; Mary G.
ditto 1; Thomas Pincombe, 43, miller ; Sarah ditto, 44,
wife ; Jane ditto, 13 ; Elizabeth ditto, 11; Betsy ditto,
9 ; Richard ditto, 6; William ditto, 4' • Mary ditto,
1 ; James Pine, 18, tilemaker ; Sarah A. ditto, 25,
servant ; Nathaniel Pyne, 65, tilemaker ; Mary ditto,
59, wife ; Elizabeth ditto, 38, servant ; Rosins Viney, 47,
ditto; Elizabeth Pearse, 35, ditto; Mary A. Pemnan, 19,
ditto ; George Pedrick, labourer ; Samuel Quintel, 29,
stonemason ; Nichs. Reed, 34, labourer ; Mark Rogers,
48, labourer : Ann ditto, 40, wife • Samuel ditto, 15 ;
Mark ditto, 4; Mary A. ditto, 3 ; iogers ditto, 1; Solo-
mon Solomon, 17 ; William P. Stoyle, 43, plasterer ;
Frances ditto, 41, wife; Frances E. ditto, 19; Amos San-
ger, 43 ; Michael Studden' 35, shoemaker ; Elizabeth, his
wife, 37; Christopher, Robert, Jane, Susan, and Austin,
their children, aged respectively 12 years, 8,6, 4, and 1;
Robert Searfe, 23, labourer; Thomas Shore, 18; John
Skewers, 25, shoemaker; Joseph Short, 21; William Sel-
dou, 22, stonemason ; Fanny Spiller, 17, servant ; John
Tilman, 31 • Chari,y, his wife, 27 ; Henry A , 4 ; George
J., 2 ; W. bhar:es, 1-children ; Edward Tongue, 25 ;
J. Tiukham, 20, labourer; Edward and Harriet Tolley,
20; William Turpiu; 20, labourer; Mary P. Toni, 21,
servant ; William Tom, 17, labourer • William Treleaven;
Grace Vivian, 23 ; George Wilce ; Alfred ditto ;
Edward Westacott, 40, shoemaker; Ellen ditto, 33,
wife; Jemima Wilce, 19; Rachael ditto, 16; Jas. Wood-
man, 50, labourer; Ann Wilcocks, 35; Edward ditto, 12;
Sarah A. ditto, 11; Mary Whale, 40 ; Samuel ditto, 13 ;
Fie derick ditto, 10; John ditto, 8; Elizabfth dido, 1;
Elizabeth Rodd, 30; William Walters, 40, Riner •' Mary
ditto, 40, wife; Richard ditto, 14, miner ; Betsy A. ditto,
13 ; John ditto, 11; William ditto, 10 ; James ditto, 8,;
Mary ditto 6 ; Robert 3, labourer ; Maria
ditto, 32, wife; Williams,'
Rachel ditto, 10 ; Susan ditto, 6,•' John
ditto, 5; Eliza A. ditto, 2; Robert ditto, 1 ' • Jane Wood,
32 ; Samuel ditto, 6 ; John ditto, 5 ; James ditto, 3; Wil-
liam ditto, 1;- James Honey, 45, labourer; Betsy ditto,
45, wife"; Maria ditto, 21, servant ; Tarrson ditto, 19,
servant ; Francis ditto, 18, labourer ; Eliza ditto, 16, Eier-
vent • Jane ditto, 13 ; Thomas ditto, 11 ; Edward ditto,
3 ; W. Henry Yelland, 35, sawyer ; Walters Stewart,
43, musician ; Louisa, 43, wife • Amelia ditto, 18 ; Hen-
rietta, ditto, 11 ; Charles ditto, 7; Adolphus ditto, 6.;
William Thornby, 36, servant; Susan ditto, 36, wife ;
Mary Escott, 21, servant; Thomas Escott, 13, labourer ;
William Hallett, 28, farmer ; Eliza, ditto, 23. wife ;
Joseph Morrell, 30 ; Maria ditty, 22 ; N. Longsford, 49,
mason-149 adults, 93 children, 16 infants, equal to 198
statute adults.

Of the above the following are the parties saved :
Brought here by Avon—J. Short, of Callington ; G.
Pederick, -Kiugsbridge; William Morey, Isle of Wight ;
John A. Bone, Devonport; William Brock, Dawlish ;
Thos. Hill, London, and Bessy Hill, his daughter; Wm.
Walters, Beeralston; Mary, Richard, James, John, Betsy,
Mary ditto; William Seldon, Devonport; Samuel William
Drewe, Exeter ' • John Down, Lifton ; John Garland, St.
Teath, Camelford ; William P. Stoyles, Plymouth; Frances
Elizabeth, child of ditto; Samuel Rogers, Jersey; William
H. Down, Dartmoor; Mark Chant, West Chinnick; Simon
Pattemore, Meriot, near Crewketne ; William Thornby,
Jersey; Susan Thornby, ditto; Edward Westacott, Dorset;
James Clampitt, Newton Abbot; John Morcomb, Lifton;
John Tinkham, Totnes; William Dawson, Lustleigh,
Newton Abbot ; William Turpin, ditto ; Henry Lacy,
Meriot, near Crewkerne • Samuel Dymond, Kingsbridge ;
William E. Churchward, Stonehouse ; William Yelland,
Devonport; John Phare, Lifton; John Phare, jun., ditto;
Nicholas Reed, St. Ives; Robert Williams, Wyke Regis;
Robert Hellier, Poltimore, near Exeter; Joseph Bawden,
Southmolton ; Silas Creber, Davidstone, near Boscastle ;
Wm. Hallett, Exeter ; Jas. Escott, Tavistock ; Thos. Es-
cott, ditto; Ed ward Mayne, near Exeter; Edward Tolley,
Chadleigh ; Elizabeth Pearce, Plymouth; Mary A. Pen-
man, ditto ; Michael Studdon, gone direct home; George,
Allred, and Jemima Wilco, of Humble, St. Kiew, near
Wadebridge; Nicholas Lingsford, Luxhilyon, St. Austell;
John Hocking, St. Mabyn, Bodmin ; Henry Hocking, do. ;
William Tom, Bliiland ; William Clemeuce, St. Kiew,
near Wadebridge ; Caroline, William Henry, Robert, Ca.
therine, Ellen, ditto ; William Pl'eleaven, Wadebridge ;
Edward Tangye, Reruth ; John Skewer, Falmouth ;
John Kniackey, Stithians ; E. Carroll Hein, Dawlish ; So-
lomon Solomon, Plymouth; Samuel Quintrel, of Newquay,
St. Colomb, suppo.ied gone home ; Ssmpson Radmore, at
St. Keverne, in hope of finding wife's body ; Henry North,
Colyton, near Exeter; Henry Jeffery, Calstuck, with bad
leg, said to haw) returned home; a woolstapler to St. Co-
lomb, and a navvy smith to Truro, names unknown. -;

LATE FIRE AT MR. SCOTT It77.3SELL'S,
-SERIOUS CHARGE OF ARSON.

Layton Edward Hooper, 26, a respectable-looking,
youlig man, rately employed as a shipwright in the ser-
vice of Mr. John Scott Russell, and resi iing at No. 5,
George-street, Limehouse-fields, was brought to the
Thames Police court yesterday by Mr. Stipesiutendent
Howie, of the K division, charged on suspicion of hav-
ing set fire to certain pieces of timber, with intent to
destroy a floating battery on the premises of his late em-
ployer. The disastrous results of the fire and the amount
of property lost having been previously made public, in-
tense interest was excited, and the court was densely
crowded.
Mr. Hobler appeared for the prosecution, and Mr.
Eallantine, instructed by Mr. Pelham, for the defence
Mr. Thomas Frazer Campbell, storekeeper at Mr.
Russell's works in the Isle of Dogs, stated that at nine
o'clock on Thursday night last the timekeeper called
his attention to a fire at the floating battery, a vessel
which bad just been completed, and was about to have
been launchad on the ensuing Saturday. Witness gave the
alarm to Mr. Dixon, the superintending engineer, and
then rushing into the yard Perceived a strong illumination.
As he approached• the battery, the fire, which seemed to
come from each side of it, met him with a strong rushing,
glow, as if running over some rapidly ignitable substance.
The battery was 180 feet long, and there at first ap-
peared about 10 feet of fire under the bow. The vessel
was plated with iron, and it would be difficult to set it
on fire from the outside. The wood used in the prepara-
tion for the launch appeared to have been the first to
take fire. Witness ran to see if their was any fire astern,
and the flames pursued him rapidly, as if running along
some bituminous and easily ignitable pathway. The
prisoner had been in the employment of Mr. Russell,
and left about three weeks since, in consequencB of a
strike. He was highly esteemed as a mechanic, and dis-
charged himself, owing to the stoppage of some wages.
He had worked about fourteen months ago at the Esk,
a vessel built by Mr. Russell. No part of the arma-
ment was on board the battery when it was destroyed.
Mr. J. Dixon, superintending engineer, went through
every corner of the floating battery at 8 oclock on the
Thursday night, to see if any trifling jobs remained to be
done previous to the launching. He iteft in 25 minutes,
and there was then not the slightest appearance of fire.
The men knocked off at a quarter to 8 o'clock. There
were men employed to remove the chips and shavings
every night, but some must necessarily remain, not.
however, such a quantity as could cause the fire that had
taken place. There was 'a solid mass of wood under the
battery, which, though mingled with some damp'wood,
could easily be ignited. The fire was obviously from the
outside. The launch-way was greased, but the fire did
not appear to have commenced there. When witness
catne up there were about 50 square feet of flame, and it
seemed to. run up and down the battery, on the outside,
as if it were making immense hops In intermediate suc-
cession. •
John Coullie, a shipwright in Mr. Russell's employ,
!who was workin'g at the launches, left at 'a quarter to
eight on Thursday evening. On going to his bed-room
at nine he saw from the window sparks from the bow of
tho,battery, such as might come from a blacksmith's
forge when worked by the bellows. He then thought
one of the moveable forges was at work and turned
towards his bed, but on Linking round the instant after
he saw a blaze start up as from a powder magazive or
some combustible substance easily ignited and then sub-
side again. He ran round to the yard to save
his toals, an i iu his hurry getting under the bow of the
battery struck his
.head against an iron cramp %inch,
which checked his course. As soon as he rec evereil,
he ~aw 'a roan coming from the bow of the battery, about
10 yards from him. The roan, on perceiving witness,
san to a kiln where planks are stewned, and mounted it
by some iron bolts shaped like a ladder. When he got
to the top he looked towards witness, who, having
covered from the shock, immediately recognised his face.
The man then, who was about 20 or 25 yards dis-
tant when witness saw bun turn at the kiln, made ov, r
a slanting shed, and in turning to descend from it again
exhibited his face t r witness. The light was so strong
that witness could not be mistaken in the features, which
he recognimeed as those of a man who had worked with
him when the Esk was being built.
Mr. In Oam.—Do you see that man in the court ?
Witnes $ (pointing to the deck).—Yes, sir. There lie
is (sensati en).
Mr. Eallialtine.—lt was n'sht. How could you re-
cognise his features ?
Witness.—The light was so strong that-any one could
recognise' them at a diatanCe of from 30 to 40,1arger ,
Mr. Ballantine are on
your oath. Is that the man

After it long rtve, the'wlttiesm, Ina low tone, said,
"Yes, I can swear it between God and man."
As Mr. Rtliam:timme continued t-m press his question. to
amore definitive answer the witness seemed tt, water
and hesitate more. First he said he would pledge his
oath, faith, and honour, and then his firma belief. that
the prisqncr was the man. Next he said he would not
prejudice his own soul in swearing to what was nut the
fact.
In furthir cross•examination. and as Mr. Ballantine's
questions assumed a tone of deeper solemnity, the wit-
ness became more and more' confused, and slow in his
answers. • He said he first mentioned the fact of seeing
the prisoner going from the battery to Mr. Hepworth,
the iron ship-builder at Mr. Russell's, and described him
as clad in a fustian or light-coloured dress. When asked
if he should know him again he replied in the affirmative.
It was on Saturday last he told a constable of his hav-
ing worked with the prisoner at the building of the Esk.
He never bad applied to the prisoner since his re-
turn in March last from Syminey and Callao to get him
into a trades' union, nor bad he quarrelled with biro
for refusing to do so. He could not have bad any con-
versation with the prisoner on the subject three or four
months ago, for it was only on the 23d of March last
that he was discharged from his vessel.
The witness here put in his discharge, which bore
that date.

In answer to Mr. Hobler witness said he saw the
prisoner most distinctly, and had no doubt in his mind
that he was the man who got away over the lime-kiln
and across the shed. He did not follow him, as he
knew there was no mode of egress but by dropping into
an adjoining garden, which abutted on the Ferry.road.
At this stage of the proceedings Mr. nobler said that
he trusted he shown, on the part of the prosecution,
that there were sufficient grounds for a remand.
Mr. Ballantine would not deny that ; • but the ques-
tion was one of vast importance, for it could scarcely be
supposed than at the present juncture any Englishman
could be found who, for a trifling difference about wages,
could do his country so serious a mischief. It was not
for him (Mr. Ballantine) to say that the last witness was
entirely mistaken as to the identity of the prisoner, or
urged to accuse him from imroper motives. He could
not, as the evidence stood, a,k his worship to discharge
the prisoner, but he was prepared to produce evi-
dence, if its production would induce his worship to
accept bail, which would clearly show that it was
physically impossible his client could have committed
the incendiary act attributed to him, inasmuch
as his whereabouts on the Thursday night could be ac-
counted for, with the exception of brief lapses of from
half an hour to 20 minutes.

Mr. Ingham said that when reasonable cases of this
nature were made out, though they were not exactly
such as ought to besent to a jury, he did not think them
susceptible of bail, and there would be, therefore, very
little use in calling the evidence which the learned gen-
tleman said he could adduce.

Mr. Baliantine— I merely throw out. the suggestion,
thinking it my duty to see that ray client was not borne
down by the weight of public opinion, which must press
upon him whilst he labours under this serious charge,
and to show that he is capable and ready to answer it.
At the instance of Mr. Hobler, Mr. Ingham remanded
the case for a week, at which time Mr. Superintendent
Howie said he should most probably be prepared with
further evidence.