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the name submitted by him, as there was no sffnity
between the two cases. In conclusion, he begged
to suggest for the consideration of the noble bold at
the bead of the Government, whether by this syFO,eme.tie
perseverance on his part in preventing a member of the
naval profession being added to the committee he would
not lead to a general conviction that the object of the Go-
vernment was, not to promote, but to stifle investigation.
He begged to propose that the name of Capt. Gladstone
be added to the committee. (Opposition cheers.)
Mr. MACARTNEY seconded the motion.
Lord SEYMOUR, as a member of the committee, c'e-
fended the determination which they had come to, on the
ground that any new member would be precluded from
taking part in the final decision of the committee, which
must shortly be given, who bad not heard or read through
all the evidence—which wa-, of the most voluminous de-
scription. The result of nominating an additional mem-
ber might be that ihey world run the risk of protracting
indefinitely an inquiry which it was most desirable* ter•
minate shortly.
Mr. LIDDELL agreed with the noble lord that the in-
quiry ought to be brought to a close as speedily as possible.
However, the great rea,on adduced for making no further
additions to the committee was that the new member or
members could not have been expected to have made them-
selves masters of all the evidence. Now, he begged t o re•
mind the house that that was an argument which might
have held quite as good on Friday night, when there was
the question of the appointment of the hon. member for
Limerick. (Loud cries of hear, on the Opposition benches )
It appeared to him that there had been a sort of under-
standing, or agreement, between the hon. and independent
chairman of the committee, and if the matter came to a
division he should give the motion his support.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said it WAS not the members of
the committee who desired any accession to their body.
The hoe. member seemed to consider that the question was
one solely between the committee and the Government;
but if he thought that he (Mr. Duenrnond) went into the
committee with a foregone conclusion, in order to frame
articles of impeachment against tie Government or any
other man, he had grossly mistaken his man, (A. laugh.
and hear, hear.) A more factions or dishonourable mo-
tive could not be imputed. Talk of faction, indeed, what
could be more factious than to say that you intended to
pack, but could not do it, a committee that should go in
for the purpose not of inquiring into the truth, but of ar-
riving at a foregone conclusion. (Oh, oh.) Jn his opinion
there was no necessity whatever for any addition to the
committee.
Mr. PACKE had the highest possible respect for the
members of the committee ; but the hon. member for East
Surrey would forgive him for stating that the bon. and
learned chairman of the committee was the first to give
notice of a mot.on to appoint an additional member.

Lord PALMERST(i& said that the way in which the
sgreemeut made with regard to the appointment of the
committee had been represented by Mr. Bentinck implied
a total forgetfulness of the ordinary and necessary cou•se
of proceeding in that house. The course pursued by his
hon. and learned friend was the course which had been in-
variably alopted in such cases. As to the present quei-
tion he could only say that his hon. and learned friend had
stated to him this evening that the committee had that
morning unanimously come to the decision that they pre-
ferred not to have a new member added ; and as far as he
(Lord Palmerston) was concerned, it was a matter of per-
fect indifference whether a memb r was added or not

:moreover, if a member were added, he bad not thesli'htest
objection to a naval officer being selected by the house f
the purpose. Individually, however, he felt that some
deference was due to the opinion of the coma iAee, Which
appeared to be unanimous ; be should, therefore, vote
with his hon. and learned friend (Mr. Roebuck), but he
could assure the house that it was a matter of total indiffe-
rence to him whether the motion of the hon. member op-
posite was agreed to or not. If Captain Gladstone was
appointed, he was certain the hon. and gallant gentleman
would discharge his duty to the satisfaction of the country,
and that they could not have a fitter person individually
or professionally.
Mr. DISRAELI agreed with the noble lord in what lie
said respecting the system which prevailed in this house
with regard to the npointinent of a select committee ; and
when his hon. friend who had made this motion had had a
more extended Parliamentary experience he was convince,'
he would acquit the Government, of whatever party it
might be formed, of any sinister purpose in the mode they
sanctioned of appointing these committees which had been
adopted solely for the convenience of the house. The course
which he (Mr. Disraeli) had taken in reference to the nomi•
nation of this committee conclusively showed that there
was no desire on that (the opposition) side of the house to
make the committee a party committee ; that on the con-
trary, their greatest desire was to recommend to the house
such names only as would render the committee an efficient
one, and obtain for it the confidence of the house and the
country, and there could be no question now that they
were all of them free to take the course with regard to the
present vacancy which they might think best calculated for
the public interest. But ho begged of the house to hesit tte
before they allowed any minister or committee to have the
power of diminishing the number of persons to whom they
delegated the high authority and august functions which
were reposed in a committee of that house. It might be in
the power of a minister, if he wished, to reduce the nun-
bars of an important commAtee upon some vital inquiry.
He might reduce the numbers of th, committee by giving
places to its members. (Cheers.) Would he tell them that
that was of no importance, and that it was a matter of in-
difference whether this or that gentleman or no gentleman
was appointed to fill a vacant post? A minister of the
Crown had no right to use the language which the noble
lord had used. The noble lord ought to feel that the ap-
pointment of the members of this committee was one of
the moat important events of the session This session had
not been so memorable that the noble lord ought not to be
allowed to say that it was not a matter of the slight: st im-
tortance who were the members of the committee, or
whether there were ary members of the committee.
(Cheers.) The noble lord had spoken with contempt of
this committee. (No, no.) Did it not show contempt to
say it was a matter '.f perfect indifference to him whether
a member were added or not? (Hear, hear.) The noble
lord thought it, he said, an insign ficant matter whether
the number of the committee were made up or not. Why,
tho noble lord might just as well say it was an insignificant
matter whether the number of the judges of the land was
maintained. (Hear, hear.) There was no question which

the people of this country had more at heart than the in-
vestigation now going on, and it was the duty of the house
to see that the number of the committee now conducting
it should be maintained. He denied that his hon. friend
(Mr. Bentinck) had sought to infuse anything like party
spirit into the course he now took. He had in fact pro-
posed the name of a gentleman —not a partiQan, but a near
relation of one who, although no longer a Minister, was
still responsible to Parliament and the country fur what
had occurred in connection with our army in the East.
(Hear, hear.) The hon. and gallant member now proposed
to be added would bring intelligence and ability to hear
linon the investigation, and he (Mr. Disraeli) trusted his
hon. friend, who had with so much honourable consistency
and perseverance contended against difficulty when he hail
before brought this question before the house, would
triumph in his present motion. (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. GREY denied that his noble friend had treated
the inquiry entrusted to the committee with levity—all
his noble friend said was that be was anxious to consult
the opinion of the committee, svhieh was that it was not
desirable to add a member to the committee in the place of
the member who had receded. Tbere was nothing unc In-
stitutional in the committee arriving at such a conclusion.
Mr. "W HITE'4IDE asked whether it was constitutional
to make a member of a committee a placeman before he
had concluded his share in the investigation to ehich he
was a party? (Hear.) So select a member for promotion
in the Government was, to say the least, an injurious
precedent, and there was no reason why that course con d
not be applied to four members as well as one. Os Friday
the noble lord, with some reminiscences perhaps of youth-
ful patriotism, insisted that the member to be supplied to
the committee should be an Irishman. Now the noble
lord was averse to having a member appointed at all. He
(Hr. Whiteside) had heard it stated filet this matter had
been arranged ; and the nebl, lord, finding public opinion
to be against the course he had taken on Friday night, now
said it was not of the least consequence to the Government
whether a naval member were appointed or not. (Hear.)
He trusted the house would insist on the committee being
maintained in its integrity and independence, and that it
world affirm the nomination suggested by his bon. friend.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought it due to the noble lord to say
that he had nothing whatever to do with the recommenda-
tion of the committee. The noble lord had not been con-
sulted by the committee on the matter, and it was the sug-
gestion of the right bon. member for Droitwich bat the
opinion of the committee should be communicated to the
noble lord by him (Mr. Roebuck). The hon. member fur
South Northumberland insinuated that he (Mr. Roebuck)
was in that painful position of having his confidence with-
drawn from him. He could assure the bon. member for

South Northumberland that that painful position he (Mr
Roebuck) would endeavour to bear. (Laughter.) As far
as he was concerned it was a matter of indifference who the
member was that was appointed on the committee.
Mr. MAGUIRE iisisted upon the importance of having
the vacancy on the committee filled by an eligible and in-
dependent member, as a most important portion of the
inquiry had yet to be entered upon.
Mr. BE NTINCK said it was necessary for him to remind
the house that from the motion he had brought forward on
this subject, it could not be said that he was influenced by
any party spirit. (Hear, hear.) Though the custom of the
house might be as the noble lord had stated, yet this being
an exceptional case a different rule should be observed. A
great part of the inquiry connected with the transport
service had yet to take place, and he thought it was most
important that a gentleman connected with the navy should
be appointed on tha committee. (Hear, hear.)
Strangers were !hen ordered to withdraw, and the house
was preparing to divide, when
Mr. ROEBUCK said that he was unwilling to put the
house to the trouble dividing. (Laughter.)
Lord PALMERSTON then said as the hon. and learned
gentleman the chairman of the committee had stated that
he had no objection to the motion, he (Lord Palmerston),
for his own part, would have no objection. (Loud cries of
"hear, hoar," and laughter.)
The motion that Captain Gladstone be appointed a mem-
ber of the committee, in the room of Mr. J. Ball, was then
agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQT_TER brought up
the following
bills, which were read a first time, and or-
dered to be read a second time on Thursday next, viz :
The Loan Bill, the Stamp Duties. Bill, the Income Tax
Bill, the Spirit Duties. Bill, and the Customs Duties Bill.
The other business of the paper was then disposed of,
and the house adjourned at twenty minutes before one.

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