The National Register.
London, England, 1823-03-03 00:00:00

PARIS PAPERS.
Pants, Fr Fr a. 25.—We have received a letter fro*
Bayonne, dated the 16th. Many fresh troops bad
not then arrived. Two mails from Miutrid were
due, but it. was expected they would arrive on that
or the following day. 1: was known from travellers
that Madrid was quite tranquil. There is a report
that Spain has determined, in order to secure the
alliance of England, to cede to her, it' it should be
required, Ceuta, Eantona, and Mahon.
The 'first brigade of the comp equipage of the
Duke d'Angoulcme mil arrive at. lbwrdeaux on the
28th inst. It consists of 13 individuals, horses,
two carriages, and 13 gendarmes fin. escort.
It is reported this afternoon that 5,000 seamen
have been ordered to be levied at Brest.
VIENNA, Fiat 152.—(Extract foci a private let-
ter.)—Every thing tends to induce the belief that
Austria will confute herself to the suspension of her
diplomatic relations with Spain, and that her com-
mercial intercourse will not be interrupted. If Aus-
tria, at the Congress of Verona, appeared to depart
for a moment from the desire to maintain peace, it•
was because it was urgent to divert Russia from an
attack on the cast of Europe, which she has long
contemplated. In giving a kind of tacit consent to
u war in the west, she as a consequence engaged
Russia to renounce the idea of a rupture with the
Phrte. This pacific system explains the frequent ex-
change of couriers between Vienna and London.
DEBATE ON THE BUDGET.
M. Royer.Collard opened the debate in a long
and able speech, in which he forcibly deprecated
war: he was followed by M. Lubourdonnaye, who
stuck to his old text of abusing the Ministers for not
going to war sooner, but at the seine time supported
the motion for the subsidy : then followed Al. La-
borde, who painted in striking colours the dangers
of war, and the ail but impossibility of success: next
came M. de St. Gcry, who voted for the war, on the
ground of supporting the dignity of the Crown.
M. Delessert then delivered a sensible speech
against war, in which he quoted the report made to
the Senate is 1808, by the Minister of Buona-
parte, in favour of war with Spain; and observed
upon it, that the Chamber would see how much
men in power resembled call other, as Buonaparte's
justification rested on the same ground as that of
M. de Villcle.
M. Castelfnjac made a declamatory harangue in
favour of war.
General Foy, with great eloquence, lamented
that an army, which he as an old soldier could not
help wishing to succeed, should be employed in a
scrviee in which, us a.. honest man, he must hope it
would tail.

The Minister Ville° then spoke as fAlows:,—
Gentlemen,—The Government will find in the
discussion the greatest justification which could be
made of the course which it has adopted respecting
the affairs of Spain. In fact, of all the speakers
who have attacked the elppropriation of funds pro-
posed by the Government, none have advanced the
objection which ought naturally to present itself to
those who oppose that appropriation; that is, to
prove to the Government that it is in error, in re-
garding the honour and security of the country to
be incompatible with the present state of things. I
ask every candid man whtther this he not the real
'question? Is it not the proof which ought to be
brought Howard at this tribune? Ilutwhen, instead
of endeavouring to iaipress this conviction on your
minds, it is attempted to alarm you on the conse-
quences of the war, and to go into digressions on the
opinion of this or that Minister, on this or that act,
foreign to a question so important, then, I say, it is
contesstal that this question cannot be otherwise re-
solveii than the Government itself has resolved it.—
(Marks of approval on the right.)
The Deputy who opened this debate.' who dis-
puted the right of intervention, has taken care net
to approach this point of the difficulty: he has
throughout supposed the stale of Spain IQ regular,
. so confirmable to prink gdes which could nut be
applied except to ourselves, that he has exhibited it
as the condemnation of those who are imp:used
with the bect..ssity of combating it: but lie would
certainly be bound, according to ;Lis OWII principles,
to conic to very different con lesions, if hr had been
disposed to view the present state of Spain, such as
it Is, such as has 'placed us under the necessity of
haring recourse to war, since we could no longer
rtmain at peace with that country with honour and
severity.
1 tie non. speaker whom I have followed did me
justice w hen he said, the PresitEnt of the Council
• of Ministers would wish to preserve peace, to avoid
war. He hart no need to speak of a Minister; he
had only to refer to the sentiments of the Monarch,
to be certain that no Minister could have continued
in (Alice, hod lie given counsels such as we are ut
this moment supposed to have followed; that is 'to
say, to advise au unjust war—a war which, in the
situation of our country, we could nut avoid. Yes;
and 1 have already declared trout this tribune in the

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secret committcc, that it is with regret—it is only
because honour and safety require it—that we have
recourse to arms: if it had been possible to avoid
war, we would have avoided it. We have tiled
every means to main Lair amicahle relations with
Spain—we have tried by every means to avoid the
calamities of war; but things being brought to the
situation in which they are, and as' long as the state
of Spain shall continue what it is at present, I de-
dare that there is but one way of attacking the
proposition of Government, and that is to prove that
it can with honour, with safety, with less injury
than will result to the interests which
tear, maintain
to us as being compromised by maintain
peace with that country.
The honourable Deputy who has doneme justice
with respect to this particular of my character,
might have rendered me equal justice with respect
to another : it is, that it was only to hear the res-
ponsibility of (Alice in times so difficult and trouble-
stone as the present, that I renounced an advantage
which I was as likely to procure, with the ideas
which he gives me credit for, as any body elec. As-
suredly, I eannot.give a better pledge of my convic-
tion that it is impossible for us, with honour and
safety.,,to remain in our present situaCon, than is to
be fond in my not having quitted office with the
opinion that would be attached to my sentiments for
the preservation of Spain. If there is sacrifice to
male—if I um to give a pledge and a confirmation
of the truth of my opinion, that what has been dune
has been, as it ought to be, commanded by the in-
terests of the King and of the country. I have
made that sacrifice, and I have given that pledge,
by continuing in office with all the burdens they
impose upon me, and by renouncing the popularity
which I should have acquired by quitting it.
A state of peace appears to me u hundred times
more preferable than a state of war: so also does a
state of war to disgrace—to seeing the most solid
interests of my country compromised; and this un-
doubtedly is the situatien in which the Spanish re-
volution has placed us. (Numerous voices on the
right, " Yes, yes; bravo.") For, as has often been
said in the course of this debate, it is only the blind-
ness and obstinacy of the Spanish revolution which
is to blame for all the evils which may result from
the present situation of things ; and herein exists a
great difference between the probability of events,
and the comparisons which it has rieen wished to
make with what has previously occurred in Spain.
Yes, gentlemen, there is blindness, there is obsti-
nacy, there is even Jhrgettillness of the interests of
Spain on the part of those who at this monnait go-
vern in :Madrid; and can you believe that in this
situation a generous intereentron, dictated by the
most :coed interests on the part of France, will be
received as was the first entrance of the French ar-
inks into Spain ?
The King declared to you in his speech, that if
the war he inevitable, he would contract 'its circle
and limit its duration. In vain will it be answered
that such expectations were firm:Hy entertained,
and that they were disappointed. But why, gen-
tlemen, were they disappointed ? Bdcause the war
was undertaken to establish a fireigner on the throne
of' Spain, to overthrow the laws of the country, and
to convert the Peninsula into a 'province of France.
But when, far from entertaining any such inten-
tMns, we only present ourselves to maintain the au-
thority of' the legitimate sovereign, without wishing
to impose any law, I do not see how we Lain be pre-
vented from always remaining masters of the power
of. cireumscribing the mode of the war, and of li-
miting its auration.
You have been told, gentlemen, of the dangers to,
which our commerce will be exposed. Is it possible
that, in a French Chamber, French orators can come
forwurd to tell us that the wet. with Spain will
compromise the interests of our commerce ? (Voices
on the left, " Yes, yes; they are already compro-
mised.") They are already compromised, lam told.
Gentlemen, I repeat the words, for an hon. member
has used them before me. You bring into this dis-
cussion prejudices. which ought not to prevail in it.
The annunciation of war has produced. all the effect
that war 4saelf will produce; sod that elect is no-
thing more than a moral effect, for you would be
greatly paceled to mention any substantial facts.—
(Lively interruption on the left. Silence was re-
established, and the Minister of Finance proceeded.)
—Ought we not to attribute that moral effect, to
which I have just alluded, to the exertions of party
spirit ? Indeed, who can fear lest the vessels which
we have in the colonies should be captured in endea-
vouring to enter our harbours/ Will it be those who
have speculated in colonial comniodities ? (Laughter
on the right.) In very truth, gentlemen, I hail al-
most said that some individuals have displayed a de-
sire to abuse the credulity of the public ; for you
know the state of our navy; you know that in the
flatness, in our colonies, and upon our coasts, we have
a much greater number Of' vessels of war than that
of unhappy Spain, with whose vengeance you me-
nace us, can furnish from all her ports.
In whatever point of view the debate is consider.