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where they must encounter the competition of their con- ! statesman who was talking to me yesterday upon the sub- . marked on the words of the lion and gallant member in
tempera: ice, and those whom indolence of temperament or ject took this ohjeetion, aed illustrate'l it by an aro 'dete. the letter " v ith such truth," with' a query after it, "by
physical infirmities unfit for active exertions, are 'Placed in He :aid that the Finance Minister of France after the Re- the hon. member for Aylesbury." The hon. member now
the civil service, where they may obtain an honourable liveli- volution, received so enormous a number of applications charged him with being guiltyof that of which .he was
hood with little labour and no risk, where their success de- for places thee he did not know what to do • every man in himself accused. (Hear, bear.)
but was induced to
pends upon their simply avoiding any flagrant misconduct, France thought he was entitled to a post under a free Go- Colonel FREESTUN again
re-
and attending with moderate regularity to routine duties, and vernment. (A laugh.) In ono day he received no less than sume his seat by loud cries of of " Order !"
rose
.
in which they are secured against the ordinary consequences 700 applications, and he then wrote to all the candidates Sir S. NORTHCOTE admitted the inefficiency of the
of old age or failing health, by an arrangement which provides desiring them to attend at his house on the same clay and civil service, but pointed out the difficulties in the way of
them with the means of supporting themselves after they have the semis hour. When the time arrived the ante-chamber, a reform, partly from the short period which heads of de-
become incapacitated." the staircase, and the hall were of emirs() filled, The Minis- partments were allowed to remain in office, and partly
Then I have the opinion of Mr. Anderson, which I will not ter presented himself and said, " Gentlemen, what have from the outcry which would be made, even in the house
trouble the house with, as it is to the same effect as that you conic here for? I suppose for places?" Their silence itself, if one men were raised over the heads of his seniors,
which I have just read, but he states that when it was argued assent. " Well, said he, " I have only one place at or if a man were dismissed for what his chief consi iered
found necessary by a commissioner at the head of a large
my disposal;
--
that is my own. If you would like to have it, incapacity. The great evil in the civil service was this=
department to introduce improvements in the mode of apply for it." (Laughter.) But I believe nothing of that that there was no promotion by merit to the higher ap-
keeping the accounts, he could not rind one among his kind will happen in England if you upset the system which pointments, and the consequence was that there was no
large eeteblishineut of clerks who was sufficiently conver-
makes the distribution of places a political favour. Every energy or ability among the clerks. He then proceeded
sent with the scientific principles of accounts to carry out member
of this house would be rejoiced to be relieved from to describe the system of reform recommended by himself
the duty, for it has become almost a duty, of making ap- and Sir Charles Trovelyan, which, he said, was very in-
his plans of improvement. Mr. Chadwick, in his evidence,
',. said : plications for places for his constituents. There is no harm correctly described as a system of competitio-•—it was
in those applications to a certain extent. The course I pur- that, but it was still more a system of equal division of
" A secretary, complaining of the disadvantages of his sue with regard to my own constituents is this—when a labour among the clerks and promotion by merit. With
service, related in illustratien that out of three clerks sent
man asks me for a place, I say, if I know him,that will regard to competition, he stated that C. Trevelyan and
I
him from the usual sources there was only one of whom any . • ' •
certify that he is a respectable and competent person. If a ' himself were at first disposed to recommend the system
use whatsoever could be made, and that, of the other two,
Person, known to be a respectable and competent man, ape recently adopted by the Government, of having a board of
ono game to take his place at the office leading a bulldog in a
Plies for a small post. in the town, it is no favour to get that examiners to test the merits of nominees, but they were
• string. (Laughter.) I have been assured that, under
post confered on him. But the present system cannot be soon satisfied that such a board would not be able to resist
another commission, out of 80 clerks supplied by the destroyedpatron-
while your constituents have a right to ask you urgent applications from influential persons, and thatthey
age secretary, there were not more than 12 who were worth
to forward their claims. A man ought to have other means would only serve to cover bad appointments. He contro-
their salt for the performance of service requiring only a '
of obtaininga postthan an application to his representative, verted the arguments of Mr. Romilly, who contended
sound common education," It is said to be almost necessary to the existence of a Go- that a competing examination would drive gentlemen out
A. retired officer writes to Mr. Chadwick : vernment that they should have places at their disposal, of the civil service. He could not conceive a greater libel
' "Many instances could be given of young men, the sons of and Mr.Romilly has stated that members of Parliament are on the aristocracy than this, and for himself he utterly
respectable parents, who were found unable to read or write, not to be kept in good humour without places. The first disbelieved it. He next complained of the inadequate
and utterly ignorant of accounts. Two brothers, one almost thing, then, that we ought to do is to pledge ourselves not salaries given to the clerks, and the unfair division
imbecile,, the other much below the average of intellect, long to ask for places. If it is disagreeable to us to forward ap. of labour. If this were put upon a better footing he was
retained appointments, though never equal to higher work plications. and to the Government to receive them, let no satisfied fewer clerks would do the work, with a better
than the lowest description of copying. Another young man more applications be made through us. But human nature salary for each, and a great reduction of the national ex-
, Was found unable, on entering, to number the pages of a will always be human nature, and unless a man has other penditure would he the result.
'volume of official papers beyond 10," means than those now afforded him of obtaining admission Mr. L. GOWER was most anxious to promote merit in
(Laughter.) These extracts show that all these gentlemen to the public service, the same influence will be emptoved, the public service, and he gave every credit to the mem•
leers of the Administrative Reform Association for seeking
and the presentet.ete of things will continue to exist. There agree, in fact,. that these evie exist, though there is
that object, but what he complained of was that they did
ie one more question upon which I wish to say a few words,
not pursue it in a practical way. He defended the course
. among them some difference of opinion as to the mode in
A amail pamphlet has lately been published on the reorga- ,
which his brother, Earl Granville, bad followed in his pub-
. Which the are to be remedied. I suppose that the order
eiea Hen of the civil service, written by a gentleman con-
An Council-which hag been lately issued may be attributed lie life, and reminded Mr. Layard that on the only occa-
. to this report, and to the little notice we are beginning nected with that service. Let the house hear, then, what
these gentlemen have to say.for themselves, for, although sioawheii his broth bad an appointment to b -stow—that
to take ot the civil service in this house. But this order
the pemphlet is anonymous, it is deserving of consideration. ofL Under Foreign Secretary—he gave it to Mr. Layard
1 eimrdf. He was bound to add that the hon, gentleman
it3o Council gives no remedy for the evils I have alluded to ;
It shows that the evidence which I have read proves—
I justified the appointmert ; there was one weakness in the
merely declares that there shall be an examination ;
that when a man is sent up there shall be a test as to his that the system in your public offices is as antagonistic as
I hon. gentleman of which—probably from their short con-
beingreasonable capacity; b t there • possessed of a
nection—his brother found no race—that wes an excess
' system of competitive examination proposed. I will read 4 that men pre placed in public offices whose claims rest
of meekness and modesty. Het pointed out that, long be-
b° you what Mr. Romilly says' on the ‘ubject of an exami- upon political considerations; and that your offices are
fore this movement was heard of, Lord Aberdeen's Govern-
nation, which I think will prove how ueeless a mere exami- overcharged with incompetent people. The money voted
for the public service is larger than the public like, and we meat proposed to give up theinpatronage for a system of nation is without competition. Mr. Romilly says •: competition, and they found no support in Parliament. therefore have motions for the reduction of these sums,
that I have been 12 years the member of a board, and during
But the house doe, not usually cut down the salaries of the He objected to the resolution on account of the despondent
1 t.,lt period not one candidate has ever been rejected ; and tone in which it spoke of the country -which, he believed,
high officers, but those of the hardworking and useful
,_lt3" one, who was wholly incapable, was with difficulty
,in-
men, the tendency of which is to fill the offices with use- bad no foundation; and because it suggested no remedy
',ucect to resign, after a still greater difficulty on the part of less and inefficient men. There is not one honest man, for the evils it complained of. .
.ne board to say that they would reject him if he did not. . .
whether he is in favour of reduction or not, who will not Mr. PEA.COCKE traced all our national disasters, from
...
,have been 12 years in a Government office, and during that say that a man who has a fair amount of duty to perform the reign of George 11, downwards, to the reign of the
period no instance has occurred of any one being found un- ought to receive a fair amount of pay. (Cheers.) If you Revolution families.
...i-i serving of promotion." reduce your offices to the number of men who are compe- Mr. GLADSTONE here rose and said, that on the pre-
04&.hcave great doubts as to Mr. Romilly's fitness for the tent to the duty. you may fairly increase the pay of those sent occasion he found himself in the difficulty he had re-
cently experienced more than once, that while they had an
we of examiner, though Ido not generally object to him who fairly earn it. (Hear. heir.) The first thing is not to
~Yet I tla.nk lam justified in my doubts on this point by cut down the pay of public offices, but to reduce the num- . .
orieinal motion and an amendment, he was not in the con-
' the evidence which he has given. He says : her of men to that which is required for the public service. b
"I am well aware that that which constitutes true gentle- Upon another point I agree with this gentleman, when he dition of assenting by his vote to either one or the other.
Than-like feeling is found in every rank of life ; but it is less speaks of the superannuation fund. It is all very well to The reason why he thought the adoption of neither desir-
Zieoratnon in the lower ranks than in the higher, and a selec- say that by means of this fund members of the civil ser- able was, that if the House of Commons adopted motions
fen, therefore, from a selected class would seem to me pre- vice have a certainty to retire upon ; but how is that cer. on so important a subject, they should be clothed in lan-
''ulo to any choice, however extensive, founded upon pom- teinty acquired? By cutting down the pay. It is clear it
petition. a
Admitting all the evils of patronage, and all the ought to be left to an actuary to estimate what a moon
guage of an unambiguous character, and calculated to pro-
' advantage of sweeping it away, as far as the Legislature is ought to receive after the payment of a certain amount, mote the public welfare. His hon. friend the member for
: cone
I the
.erned, Ido not think that the c'vil service should bemade and after a certain number of years' service. There is an- Aylesbury commenced his motion by stating that the house
instrument of the political regeneration of the country, other question treated of in the pamphlet : viewed with deep and increasing concern the state of the
nn it
to be good for the service itself. Parliament ought to " The other question, that of leaving the service, is much .
nation. Whatever might be the intention of the hon,
to bas,l to cure its own diseases, without having recourse more important. The secret history of the superannuation
scheme is (Moult to get at, but it is indisputable that the gentleman, he was bound to confess that he did not agree
the civil service for the purpose."
think this vetextraordinary, but beyond I find a pas- Government has been levying a tax upon all official incomes in the language that he proposed to put into the mouth of
sage in his evidence which explains it. For he states that for the pureose of granting superannuation allowances, the House of Commons. He. was not prepared to say that
which tax, in its accumulation, exceeds its liabilities by the house viewed with great or increasing concern the state
foe effect of competition will bethat the aristocracy will
many hundreds of thousands of, pounds, and which allow-
of the nation. On the contrary, it appeared to him that
Ar, e the lion's share of the civil service;
-Li'. R • ante is always granted grudgingly—seldom until the
ornilly's own words. He says :
recipient he quite worn out, and generally with some in the midst of enormous difficulties, and in the face of
" Not •
3,a0, together withstanding its ability, the report of Sir C. Travel- recipient
reductions and uncertainties as to its amount. imflamniatory language, the people of England had shown
ha_ with other papers advocating open competition,
It is difficult to conceive what the Government has to do an admirable self-command and self-possession during the
ve not convinced me. It still seems to me that the result
with' . •
'l.one it all, except to give up those accumulations, which,
present year, worthy of their name and character. Then by • n competition will be a democraticalecivil service side
whoever may have a right to them, certainly do not morally
afore
with an aristocratical Legislature." his hon. friend went on to say, in his motion, that the
belong to the present possessors. In the ordinary course of
planner. in which merit and efficiency had been sacrificed, vnire I read this report I thought we had got rid of this things, if a man does not choose to store up for a rainy day,
in public appointments, to party and "family influences, al dill delusion ; but according to this gentleman we are there is no act of Parliament compelline him to be pro-
to a blind adherence to routine, had given rise to great t'livin'' under an aristocratical Legislature. He con- vident; and if his salary as a civil servant be not sufficient to
mis-
cuesi thus •:___. enable him to lay by for his old age, that may be an arm- fortunes, and threatened to bring discredit upon the na-
tional character, and to involve the country in grave discs-
" Open competition must necessarily be in favour of the went for increasing his emoluments, but not for levying a tax
ters. He was not quite sure that he correctly understood
Were numerous class. The natural abilities of that more of 5 per cent. upon what he now receives, where 2i would do;
the terms family influences, but he must interpret the mo-
knen'erons class—'. e., of the lower or less rich class—are not nor, indeed, of meddling with the disposal of his private
tion of the hon. member for Aylesbury, not by his speech
to'erior to those of the higher or richer class. Inducements means at all."
to-night, but by other speeches addressed to other suds
t, cultivate those abilities for a special and important ob- He describes in a graphic way how the unfortunate man
J tencem, and in reference to the known sentiments of the as
comparatively
, attainable by such means, will not be wanting. The tries to get this retiring allowance :
sedation of which he was understood to be the principal
41,,Paratively moderate prizes of the civil service rise iu
orean. He (Mr. Gladstone) did not go beyond the fact in
"He has to shift and dodge on, broken-spirited, nervous,
a value P
you descend in the scale of society. 2001. or 3001. a
and dyspeptic. By night he runs the gauntlet of 'Parr's stating that he observed in the proceedings of that essoci -
"4! is a much larger fortune to the son of a tradesman
Life," Norton's Camomile,' `Cockle's Antibilious,' and other
clan a tendency to fasten on the aristocracy, as a peculiar.a
iarmer than it is to the son of a nobleman or squire;
miraculous memlicaments ;by day he is more occupied with class, some peculiar responsibility for the defects and
and e
Do. , therefore, believe that the great majority of the ap-
his diet than his duty • his office gets disorganised, his juniors weakness of the public service He was not prepared to
ken', tments will fall to the lot of those who are in the lower
g and become lose temper,theihrtto feel'the injustice of
may
Wnortkinog with 'th manome join in a feeling of that kind. If the House of Commons
'`al position. (Laughter.) The more the civil service is re-not stay, and
was more aristocraic in sentiment and in feeling than it
whooug
by from the lower classes, the less it will be sought after
while he either diesy in harness full full ten years beforeto be, that was not owing to any privilege possessed
mutinous,ought
d?' the higher until at last the aristocracy will b© altogether
eneurrttireaeieosr
uconntdilehsceendentso uanswhooir.nthyantdriemkus
tTlandter
allowance
by the aristocracy or to any particular law or regulation ;
ktssociated from the permanent civil service of the country."
but it was owing to the strong feeling in favour of the anis-
from half incredulous 'mi lords.' "
of this means anything it seems this—that if you give the
tocramy which pervaded all ranks and classes of the
talentcone-
eFt'utinents to that class who ptoessstessthe greatest amount
object in working for The pamphlet is full of cases like this, and is clearly an ex- munitv; but, besides, it was still more owing to the fact
the ~,.and who hauvemt
uhsetgirnetaroduce competitive exami- ponent of the feelings of the men themselves, who would that the aristocracy was recruited from the best of the
be affected by the changes proposed. I have read the evi- people, and its history was written in the most glorious
Ration_ service, you
donee of Mr. Anderson, who shows that our public offices pages of the country, ascribing to it everything that made
aristocracy,hear)— the effect oft which will be to exclude the
say that Mr. Mill, a gentle-
eta, I am happyare overcharged with servants, and I will read another pas- them rejoice in thename of England. The evil nepotism
e " of great experience, a profound philosopher as well as
sage from his evidence. Mr. Anderson says : __ . _

Political economist, has upset the absirdities of Mr.
.01.11 illy. Mr. Mill says :
`` If the sons of gentlemen cannot be expected to have as
,
ability and instruction as the sons of low people it
make a strong case for
ttris social changes of a more
blliye character. (Hear, hear.) If the sons of gentle-
would not, even under the stimulus of competition, main-
Ivitittheinselves on an equality of intellect and attainments
youths of a lower rank, how much below the mark must
'vt,„Qe with their present monopoly, and to how much greater
strit than the friends of the measure allege must the effi.-
14Q04,Qlthe public service be at present sacrificed to their
fib -Pet;encvmore ; if, with advantages and oppco tu-
h 8 " • South of the higher classes have
-° vastly superior, the
'otaa'!lour enough, u
or energy enough, or p blic spirit enough,
-„e themselves as well qualified as others for the station
tfpa,
they desire to maintain,t they areuot fit for that sta-
bett such cannot too soon step out
pof it, and give place to
Of t,er people I
believe
not this unuopion
el,:teni. that they will fairly earn theirf ablefull share of
kind of distinction when they are no longer able to ob-
(",11 it unearned."
lehoers.) I most entirely agree with those opinions. Let
r>"6 cpu I service be open to all classes. (Hear, hear.)
regard to the examinations, I have a return, which
ti somewhat amuse the house, of the sy. stem of examina-
1U adopted, under the orderin Council, in : each depart-
lit, part of which I will read. In the Treasury—
a • The candidates are examined in the common rules of
tPothroetic, such as the rule of three, vulgar and decimal frac-
-444,, interest, and discount ; and they are required
.to. make
,austract of some official documents, to test their intelli-
te-eti and to show that they are able to write and compose
o°4lTectly. t..
46, month is allowed for preparation on this examination.
""e Customs,
RN(' Persons nominated to clerkships, upon presenting them-
to ;el to take up their appointments, aite atrooonic.ley-greuaquiled
fAcetirtoe from dictatiol in the presence of
arithh, r clerk, and are examined in . principalp‘ rules of
tioes';,'tio, and the first four rules of decimal and vulgar frac-
The
caLtliilat..s are here "placed on probation" for three
.4th'•ln the Excise (Inland Revenue) office—
°Person is fully admitted as a clerk until he has been
'vriiThed and his proficiency has been escort ined in reading,
e4th,gla, vulgar fr actions, decimals, bookkeeping by double
44`41;-"wl.'iting from dictation, correspondence, geography,
xri
th e history of the British empire."
tbie Pest-office the examination is very vague—penman-
stel)l °llll',vraphy and arithmetic. In the Admiralty the] e
takelharks for the 'different subjects in which examination
.
B„P!'ce, including writing from dictation, precis w"t_
're'alithinetic, English history, geography, Latin, and
Let 106'. the total number being 300. Any one who can
s'ufet. 1, qualified and, therefore, if a person cau.obtain
4ear, w'it,ng from' dictation, and 50 for precis writing, he
Paiti",e.Q the other tests. (tear, hear.) There is no exa-
'it.tsinn at the India Board, but appointments are probe-
.4l fur one enar There are also no examinations at
I.lae-nne-officey the" Foreign-office, and the Colonial-office.
objets of examination in the Payma.ster.General's
are--
tat a lactice, rule of three—direct, inverse and double ;
vul-
e2ehaticl
(loolinal fractions ; interest, purchase of stock, and
; writing from dictation; a precis or abstract of
114 QuAcial documents."
°l4:a'nination takes place in the Office of Works, or theee
(5741,,,jaecif_ •YtToods. The examination in. the Au(thl ffi
tith 5 handwriting, English composition, and e- rules
katt,it mit.etic op to Decimal Fractious. The subjects of
"1 ~"'"°11 in the Registrar-General's-office are -
vii''ll,.-,iLioi`V.3,littling fFom dicttation ; 2, arithmetic ; 3, geography ;
-
Ohater's i weeasl pally).
rtlb a meant by occasionally" Ido not know. In the
btioaelie-office there oa‘'re no less than 13 heads of exam.-
1,,,1ne of which are very amusing—
ct,`:;llls.ro`Dhee,Qandidate is expected
.to be able to read aloud
ko'eetlyf "'Vl:Lasts and discretiou—(a laugh); '2, to write
ti rel from dictation • 3, to be convers with. the corn-
Qbs • of arithmetic:including Vulgar and Decimal Frac-
tlitryV, to be acquainted with bookkeeping by double
(41-114i4liaPP°Intedtoii.o6ffi e of accounts ; 5, to be ac-
;,Zizklit-egi,Lithg,eeograp iy „ office
be able to write a letter
Ne abat era) [Lord PALma
ract of correspondencßes.T"(=-‘ Go on"], and to
bi 17ritte Hear hear.) 7, To
tti,+ ei„ or viva voce opinion on an ordinary' subject
I u? Proposed to him for the purpose of testing his
tl elligence."
44,4 in Lt.trtUble the house with the other tests, but this
"(the 1,1r20 seems to me, upon the whole, a very fair one.
The 4rce-
eatest importance will be attached to superiority
tly 4.'4 grammar, Entdish composition, and writiwr cor-
ttakliZla dictation, and in arithmetic to the extent of a
I,:.N,44r,,,cittailatance with the Rule of Turee, Practice, L.l-
- vulgar and Decimal Fractions; a candidate will
Ivish`t,to indicate any book or subject upon which he
4'ol the '0 be specially examined."
ktteaP
ue `eons.
Board and the Board of Trade there are
latons. The examination in the Exchequer ap-
rir if operly carried outd has been
;41 jjeebi satisfactory pr
' by LLordMonteagle., an
In the Ne.
e office—
etaip:tllidte nominated to a clerkship is subject to an
t1e.,1°4 to show-that he can write with ease and fad-
110et inr legible hand ; that be can copy in a fair and
11131,4ta .4. t!Qe-

did not affect the aristocratic classes more th an anyother rank.
These circumstances operated with him as an objection to
the motion in the abstract. He was not willing to join in
a vote which could have no other effect than deluding the
country, nor was he prepared to point out the class of the
aristocracy as being chargeable with peculiar responsibility
for defects in the public service. The hon. member for
Aylesbury, with great fairness, said that he considered the
sYstma acted on by successive Governments was prejudicial
to the satisfactory management of public affairs. Now he
(Mr. Gladstone) wculd not enter into the inquiry whether
it was so or not. But if it were so, then he ventured to
state that the party or power responsible for that evil was
the House of Commons. If one thing more than another
was in the control of the house, it was who should and
who should not he Ministers of the Crown, and if it were
true that Cabinets were formed from the restricted circle
of families of the aristocratic elass without availing our-
selves of the immense materials that the nation offered, it
was the House of Commons that ought to be held mainly
if not entirely responsible for the evil, and it did not be-
come the House of Commons to lament Pharisaically for
such a state of things in the face of the country, in the
form of the hon. member's motion, but it became them to
proceed with an address to the foot of the throne, repre-
senting to her Majesty, that they must withhold their
confidence from those to whom she had entrusted her exe-
cutive councils, until they adopted measures more in ac-
cordance with the public interest. (Hear, hear.) He
objected in the most unqualified terms to the practice
adopted on some recent occasions of embodying resolutions
of the House of Commons in general, abstract, and am-
biguous language. It was of importance that the people
should look on these resolutions with respect and reverence;
but if that respect and reverence were to be expected, the
resolutions should partake of a strictly practical character.
(Hear.) The amendment of the hon. baronet, the member
for Hertfordshire, began by recommending some practical
meager°. He recommended to the earliest attention of
her Majesty's Ministers the necessity of a careful revision
of our various official establishments. (Hear, hear.)
Well, if they were to enter a boat of that kind, it was a
singular course, and not very convenient to adopt that
lanenage, and to make that recommendation, without any
notice of the fact that, for the last four or five years, there
had been no progress, and recently there was completed a
searching and formal investigation of the public establish-
ments. Two blue hooks of respectable dimensions, con-
taining the results of that investigation and revision, were
oreeente Ito Parliament. He should like to know, if that
department of statistics were open to him, how many
members had found time to make themselves masters of
their contents. The careful revision which the hoe. ba-
ronet, the member for Hertfordshire, recommended to her
Vfajestv's Minist, rs, was with a view to simplify and faci-
litate the transaction of public business,- and by judicious
tests of merit, as well as by removing obstructions to its
fair promotion and legitimate rewards, to secure to the
service of the State the ,argest avail ble proportion of the
energy and i itelligence for which the people of this country
were distinguished. He hoped he should not be thought
hypercritical if he stated that the allusion to the energy
and intelligence of the people of England would find a
more suitable place in the eloquent speeches of the hon.
baronet, than in the vote which he proposed to put into
the mouth of the House of Commons. His objection to
the hon. baronet's amendment was its vagueness and un-
meaning character. What were the judicious tests they
should apply ? Was he prepared to propose a distinct and
specific plan ? They all concurred that the foundation of
some system for the promotion of the public service was
absolutely necessary. Bat to go further, and mike a high-
sounding declaration to that effect, before they had a defi-
nite idea of its meaning—before they were prepared to
give effect to any substantial plr n, was not only an act of
folly, but as between the members of that house and their
constituents, an act of dishonesty. They had no right to
make professions in the face of the country, until they
were prepared to reduce them to practice. The amend-
ment intended to be proposed by his hon. friend the mem-
ber for Cork was not open to the criticism which he (Mr.
Gladstone) hail applied to the original motion, and to
the amendment of the hon. baronet the member for Hert-
fordshire. That amendment PM founded on principle. It
prayed her Majesty to modify the Order in Council. recently
instituted. for the examination of candidatesfor the public
service. It was, in no respect, necessary to modify the
Order in Council to give effect to that motion, for while
the order did nothing to interfere with the right of nomi-
nation, it left it onen to the members of the Government,
in whose hands the patronage was vested, to institute a
particular system of examination. With respect to the
subject of administrative reform, he viewed the movement
with no regret, but with interest. It was not until he
heard the speech of the hon. member for Aylesbury that
he cenfessed he was able to form a judgment whether the
promoters had marked oat for themselves a clear view of
the remedies they meant to employ. The question of ad-
ministrative reform —it was a subject which he always re-
joiced at when he found the public mind turned towards it
and uo person would be more pleased than himself, if the
hon. member for Aylesbury would turn into practical
effect, the feeling which haul taken hold of the country ;
for he was convinced that if they only gave it practical di-
rection, that great good would result from the movementof
the association. (Hear, hear.) As regards the oivil de-
partments of the public servile, hethought that the system
of competitive, free and open examination could be carried
out. Lord Panmure's intention to throw open to competi-
tion a number of military appointments, especially in the
Engineers and Artillery, was a bold measure on the partof

" Every person who has had experience in conducting a
large office will admit that if all were really efficient not only
would the business he better and more expeditiously done,
but it would be probably executed by two-thirds of the num-
ber of clerks now employed."
(Cheers.) I will not trouble the house with further re-
marks on the civil service, but I might say something on
the manner in which the Governments of this country are
organised. This subject comes within the scope of my argu-
ment, far I have the admission of a noble lord in the other
house (Lord Granville), who said that, although he had
many connexions in the present Administration, yet he 'had
three cousins in the Administration of the Earl • f Derby.
This, then, is no party question, and. if this is admitted,
the question is placed upon the basis that I wish. Govern-
ment, then, in this country, is more or le,s an affair of
family relationship and connexion. Ido say that this is
one of the most grievous causes of,public complaint, and
that it is working more than any other upon the country
at large. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, I will go to third pro-
position of my resolution that the state of things of which
I complain has given rise to great misfortunes, and
threatens to bring discredit upon the nation, and involve
the country in grave dii'seters. No one now will question
the fact that our public establishments are not what they
should be, and no one will question the fact that very
great changes are necessary. I doubt, indeed, whether
any reasonable man will question the truth of the asser-
tion, that the misfortunes that have happened are owing
to this state of things. I have found a curious speech,
which I have extracted from the newspapers. The house
will remember that the noble lord at the head of the Go-
vernment Raid there were no complaints made of the de-
partments which were filled by members of the aristocracy,
but that where complaints were made they were directed
at departments like the medical department and the com-
missariat, which were not filled by members of the aris-
tocracy. That was not a wise speech, certainly, and the
senior surgeon of the hospital at Smyrna, in a speech
printed in the public papers, appears to have called his
brother doctors about him and made the following
speech :
" It may be very well for Lord Palmerston to get up in
the House of Commons and say that the departments officered
by the aristocracy have not failed in the recent trial, but that
the medical department and commissariat have failed because
their officers are taken from the middle classes. We can re-
tort, and prove the truth of what we say, that, had we been
left to ourselves, unchecked by the incapacity of those who
have risen rather by family influence than he- merit, it would
not have been under the pressure of a great war that reforms
—long since effected in our civil hospitals;long since imitated
in some degree• by our allies—would have been carried out
by our military medical brethren."
Sir, I admire the courage of a public servant who can get
up and say this publicly and allow it to be circulated.
(Cheers.) But lam told that a better state of things is
approaching, that there have beensuccesses, and that there
is no reason to fear any great disasters. No one is more
willing than I am to acknowledge the importance of the
successes we have recently obtained. But are thos, sue-
ceases so extraordinary that we are to be surprised at them?
I have always believed that successes would be the inevi-
table result if the two services, the army and the navy,
had fair play, and if we sent the right man to fill the right
place. But do the successes we have recently ebta'ned
warrant us in concluding that we are at the end of this
war ? It is too much the habit of this country to express
at one time a despondency which is not justified by events,
and at other times a state of exhilaration which is not
more justified by any, successes that we have obtained.
The latter is the case at present. We have had some sue
ceases, but does that warrant the belief that the war a ill
thereby be brought to a speedy and honourable conclu•
Rion ? Sir, I very much doubt it. 1 warn the Govern-
ment that although it may be all verywell to divert atten-
tion from the question at issue by means of these successes,
,yet that their influence will not last long enough to remove
that distrust which more and more prevails, and which
will prevail. I warn the Government not to depend upon
these successes to remove the prevalent distrust, but upon
the reform of our public establishments. Reform them,
and we shall have some chance of real success. The late
Duke of Wellington came to the command of the army in
the Peninsular under a state of things not very different
from that which prevails at present. When he was sent to
Spain he 11,:d a commissariat to form and an army to organ-
ise, but, by his abilities, talents, and energies, he did what
was re•luired. He not only reorganised his army, but he fed
the inhabitants of Portugal ; he opened a communication
with America, and obtained supplies from the remotest
parts of the world. Hari we !inch a man now we should
obtain 'the same successes. But, as it is, we ought not to
flatter ourselves that we are at theend of the war. I did not
expect that we should obtain peace on the tarms proposed,
because we had not obtained the necessary successes. But
suppose further successes are acquired—snyzose Sebasto-
pol taken—shall we be essentially in a beta .t.- position for
concluding a peace? On the contrary, I fear our difficul-
ties will be increased, and I warn the country not to be-
lieve that our recent successes important and honourable
as they are, entitle us to believe that they will bring us to
a speedy and satisfactory peace. I believe the war will be
a long war, and that it will only be determined by such a
reform of the whole of our system. military and naval, as
will lead us to send those men to the seat of war who are
best
A do
fitted to,
thee arry
waro willnthe be waeritwhietrhl?dnugeearnthndaproz.e proper
expect,effct
If
or we shall incur such disasters as wid compel us to make
a peace which will not be honourable and satisfactory to

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Is ' ,21ccted and set before him for that purpose ;
..that
kilbal°4ret,"2l-ilete master of arithmetic up to and including
1 ' of,. actions; that he has a fair knowledge of history
, ti.c.0,,,
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14.4,4 ,"4"ilei?neeive how a mr who. is unable to copy from
,Ilid'ltle(l,,ll4vo much proficiency in any other Lranch of
45-el tr,e:e' (A laugh.) There are a few otthetrrooffices al-
uble the
tlbtil:e. ,;', tbe return with which I will. no,
ki -le :, eb. are the examinations now in existence, but
these ot-
Zl4l4ti:ill have a fairer means of appointment
Let 1vat,4.8 have
no test of qaalification. (Hear.).
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ab 4 "I)°int 1 to the gates of a
ti,, ati e' , enter
one
IV :it "antlitlatiOn which will test the ftnetreooffice
ek: oriel"? That of others who may apply
beor la
4b,4'ir.:xtilorie a 8 to whether there ought. tocern petinc,
rki,s'lnept, 11S i 8 one of considerable diffitcunit • but the
t, etio In their favour aro, I th.plc, stronger than the
%, oh
open them. It is said that if the pu u) service is
from
It ,part to all you will be assailed by claimants
harm ' 'SI °f the country. I do not think much _
e 'lone if that were the me, An eminent French 1

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member
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tional emergengerye.at (CPehaePeires.l)n
riven notice.
by moving the resolutions of which he had
,ti!hieephroeess.imn
Colonel FREESTIIN said, with respect to the statement
in the public
the meeting of the Administrative Reform Association on
Papers as to his not having been present at
Wednesday, be was surprised that he hon. member for
Aylesbury should have presumed—should have dared to
question his veracity. [Lord Goderich rose, as several
hon. members called the gallant gentleman to order, appa-
rently for the same purpose, but the noble lord did not
persevere.] He asked the hon. member if either the mem-
bers for Plymouth, Mahlon, Glocester, Brecon, or Leeds
were present at that meeting? He repeated the statement
in his letter that they were not. He rose merely with that
object, and he was perfectly content to leave gentlemen of
greater ability to deal with the general subject now before
the house.
Mr. LAYARD said he wax extremely surprised to hear
what had fallen from the hon. ai,d gallantember. He
did not say those gentlemen were present—he merely re-

should be recollected, that the Government of Lord Aber-
deen did--without at all pledging itself to the particular
opinions contained in that report—advise her Majesty to
announce to Parliament that it was their intention to pro-
pose a great change with respect to admissiOn into the civil
service ; and though he had never had an' opportunity of
explaining, on the part of the Government, the particulars
of that measure to the house, yet it was understood that
they did involve the entire surrender of patronage in first
appointments in the civil service. And here he felt it his
bounden duty to say one word at least on behalf of the
aristocracy. It was too much the practice to mis up weak-
ness and corruption in our administrative system with the
aristocracy. He did not believe there was ever a Cabinet
more aristocratically constituted than that of Lord Aber-
deen. Of fifteen noble lords and right hon. gentlemen who
composed it, he was the only one who could not fairly be
said to belong to the aristocracy. For that reason he could
speak with more freedom on that subject, and say that the
Cabinet, so aristocratically formed, did of itself conceive
and intend to submit to Parliament, a plan for the total
surrender of its patronage. He was bound to make one
further declaration, that besides being the only individual
of the Cabinet that did not belong to the aristocracy,
he was also the only one who had no.possible merit in the
proposal ' • for the very plain reason, that ho had no pa-
tronage to surrender. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He
would not venture to reason on the question of what re-
ception that house would have given to a proposal of
that kind, if it had been fully explained and debated there,
But he thought their own consciences would bear them
witness that it would not have been quite so easy to
induce the House of Commons to accede to it. That, then,
went a long way to acquit them. He did not wish to
entrap the house into an admission that tbe de-
cision of Lord Aberdeen's Government was a wise one.
They could not wholly eradicate-the principle of patrenave,
but they could do a great deal towards it. In his opinion
the country was in danger of being led astray by a number
of feeble propositions of amelioration, which could lead to
no useful result. They proposed ono thing and another,
but in general each was more feeble than the other. (Hear.)
They said, for instance, " Why don't you examine candi-
dates for the civil service ? Examine them as strictly, as
rigidly as possible, but don't throw overboard altogether
the right of patronage." Well, they
_could not examine
them severely, except under a competition. The Board of
Inland Revenue was an example, in which the existing
system might be seen in action under its best form. It was
an example of the advantage of letting the patronage come
from the outside, and the rejection from within. On such
a principle the evil was greatly reduced, and in the Board
of Inland Revenue they had the best man of the public
service of this or of any other country— the growth of
this or of any other system—and men whom he would
defy the whole range of occupations in the country to ex-
cel or equal. But the question was with regard to cases
where the chiefs of departments nominated to appoint-
ments under them. It was all very well to talk of rigid
examinations in such cases, but no board of examiners
dare assume the responsibility of rigidly examining such
nominees. It had been doubted whether the order in
Council had reference to examinations for the civil service.
Now he considered that he hiLoaelf was, to a great extent,
reponsible for that order in Council, and he considered the
defence of it to rest on these particulars. It made the ex-
amination universal and public, though no doubt it had been
the meantof working hardships in cases where bona fide ex-
aminations came by surprise. There was another particular
connected withtheorderin council whichwas worthyof notice
an,l it was this-sitopened thedoor to every other improvemeut
There was nothing in it tending to stereotyye the presentsys-
tem of examination, but ratherto relax it, if the objects wero
seen to befully obtained. He confessed he must entirelygive
in his adhesion to the hon.memberforAylesburywhen hesaid,
" Make open admissions to the cjvil service ;" for he felt
all other remedies would be imperfect and illusory. It
was asked by one, " Why not dismiss all inefficient men ?"
On the other hand, the noble lord the member for Lynn
gave as his opinion thet all public servants should have
the power of appeal. Now, if they wanted to give a last
finishing stroke to the public service it was th at. (Hear.)
If they wished to paralyse and destroy that service, they
had only to establish the idea of a vested right in public
appointments, and adopt the plan of giving an appeal to
those who wore threatened with dismissal. (Hear.) Then
they heard other suggestions mentioned. They heard of
" probation," of " division into chases," and of "promo-
tion from division to division.", Those, he was able to say,
were merely remedies on the surface, and such little ped-
dling measures would not do. In a Secretary of State's
office they might see the • most beautiful arrangement of
that kind, where men rose by 51. and 101. a year, with as
great a precision as if it were done in the scales of a gold-
smith. But that was not the true point. It was not the
question of admission that ought to occupy them, but that
of how to procure promotion by merit. Did promotion
take place by merit now? In 20, or 50, or 100 cases, per-
haps there was one such. It was certainly a very rare case,
and when it did occur it was from one or two causes—
either that the merit of the individual was so obvious that
it could not be ignored, or else that the chief of the depart-
ment had more resolution or energy than usual, and set his
face, like a flint wall, against all difficulties in the way of
bringing it into full working order. Hence, too, they had
seen some examples of conspicuoes ability in the public
departments. The constitution of officers in -the civil ser-
vice was not favourable to promotion by seniority. Pro-
motion by seniority was looked upon as a vehicle for job-
bery, and, therefore, there was slow tone pervading the
civil service, though they could bout of excellent and ad-
mirable men. But, on the other hand, the duty performed
was small, and the inefficient servants were overpaid,
while the useful ones were under-paid, and hence the re-
sult was unsatisfactory, and discontent prevailed every-
where. Then how was the system to be remedied ? It
seemed to him that a great pert of the fault lay in the
admission originally, to persons being admitted, not by
merit, but by favour. Could thr not - eke

Bey . make persons un-
derstaud, though admitted by favour, that theycSul,i only
rise by merit? If they entered by merit, it would be
natural for them to expect that they could rise only by
merit, but coining in from any cause distinct from merit,
they did not understand being put aside out of their suc-
cession to higher offies on the ground cf other man being
better qualified. Lay open the civil service to all the world
that could fulfil their conditions. Let them have a suffi-
cient examination, and then, at any rate, whatever other
evils they incurred, they gave it clearly to ho understood
that those who aims in did not get iu or hold their offices
except by merit. (Hear, hear.) In doing that they would
ch.tnge their whole system—(hear, hear)—and he was sure
they would produce an atmosphere and a tone quite un-
known in the civil service, by the feeling which all would
hava that it was by merit alone they could be promoted.
The hon. gentleman the member for Dudley had referred
to the grievance of the superannuation, and he (Mr. Glad-
stone) thought there was something anomalous in calling
that superannuation which was contributed to at too high
a rate for such a purpose. (Hear.) But he understood
that it was imposed in lieu of a reduction of salary, and
had its origin in the thee of Lord Grey. This he had
learned from his right hon. friend the member for Carlisle.
In 1831 there was a disposition to reduce and cut down
every public servant. In 1350 that disposition became so
strong that the hon. member for Oxfordshire almost car-
ried a resolution in that house by which it would have
been determined to cut off 10 per cent. from all salaries
under the civil service of thearmy. That motion had been
forgotten completely, and they had since heard of nothing
but the miserable inadequacy of salaries in the public ser-
vice. He confessed he could not subscribe to that doc-
trine. Their good servants were certainly underpaid,
and their bad ones overpaid, but the public in the aggregate
paid the highest salaries. He requested the house would
think this was a question which demanded great conside-
ration. The feeling which pervaded out of doors with re-
spect to our administrative system was such as the hon.
gentleman below him had described; but he was equ .11y sure
that it was easy t ) prove that there would be a great deal
of difficulty in attaining even to a lower degree of perfec-
tion than that which was aimed at. He doubted whether
the system of patronage contributed, in the least, to the
strength of the Executive Government. On the contrary,
be thought it was their weakness. He found proofs of
that in the number of unsettled legislative questions that
went on from year to year, produced and reproduced, in
the form of bills abandoned, one after another, and never
arriving at a settlement. He maintained that the Ex em-
tive Government—not this or any other particular Govern-
g ; but he could not think
it could be strengthened by meat—required strengthening
Patronage ; but even if it
could, he would regret the maintenance of such a system,
for it was an unmixed evil. He granted they could not alto-
gether get rid of patronage; for though a system of exa-
mination, in proof of merit, might be very well adopted,
for young men of 18 or 20, first entering the subordinate
offices of Government, it was not adapted for men of a
later period of life to be chosen for the higher branches of
administration. There must be a degree of responsibility
in the choice of persons for the higher offices of the public
service. As regarded first admissions, there was not, and
could not be, any responsibility whatever. Nobody knew
or cared who were the men who found their way into the
lower offices of the Customs, or the Inland Revenue, or
the ‘)st-office, or the Secretaries of S ate's offices, or the
Treasury, or ary of the administrative offices about Lon-
don. Unless in cases of the greatest flagrancy, you might
,gyp soh t the most indifferent men—and in a gm it many
cases the most iuoifferent men were appointed. To g't
rid of such a system would be a relief, and a blessing to
the country. blt would be better economy to get good
men, and give them better pay, than to have worse men
at a lower rate. But beyond that it would do much for
the general education of the country. They had three
education bills now before the house, which showed
the difficulties of the subject ; but he thought they
could not devise any scheme so -effeci ive as throwing
open the civil service of the country. (Hear, hear.) The
reform of the present system, therefore, would do much
for economy, it would do much for education, it would do
much for the efficiency of the public service, and, permit
him to say, it would also do much for the public virtue of
the country. They, in that house, felt that the position
of members themselves towards their constittieenrtesewn
felt it
as not
solittle
altogetherttie
as
he
satisfactory.did,
because
constituency Perhaps
no
was not in a person
condition to become applicants forGavernment situations ;
a serious change aas desirable, if only for
but he spoke of what was a generally admitted fact, and
tihhen'tsake of being
stoh'at class who might be said to subsist on hope
deferred. There could be no more unsatisfactory state of
society than that which contained a class of expectants.
Whenever an object was to be obtained there were ten or
twenty people pulling all the strings whereby they thought
they could get possession of it. That multitude of candi-
dates did not increase the number of offices to be obtained,
but the vague idea that, these offices were obtainable
through interest led to an indehnite number of applicants,
and thus kept a large class of persons in a state fatal to
their true interests, and destructive of the manliness of
d listened to what
their character. (Hear.) He thereforoohrotptehdetmheotihoonuosef
would give their hest attention to the consideration of this
had
sde
hon,
uon
fallen,
frandfier4nlindalthough
we
Itenhuc
sortue
gl
sdaarynd eci
ohtee
especially
pally to the diplo-
ha
upp
'natio and consular services—he would not pronounce any
opinion with regard to military appointments, of which he
knew little—with the most sincere satisfaction ; and ho

wished . . . a change of the
the Secretary for War.7-;one for which he was entitle l to nature he had indicated, and which he believed would heartily • herl they might bring about
much credit, not only because it involved a sacrifice of pa- far a great and lasting benefit on the country. (Hear.)
con-
tronage, but because it showed there was every disposition
to look into the conduct of the public service with a view
ment :—" That this house recommends to the earliest
atten-
Sir E. B. LYTTON rose to move the following
amend-
e nitVs hweotil il
lear
bt
eh
se
ti
cexperiment
at es
r securee
g ard
eictis
mg iileiattaerryeaffip zpioeinnctym.
tion of her Majesty's Ministers the necessity of a careful
r
a question which he could not solve. The revision of those revision of our various official establishments, With a view
establishments took place from a pure love of justice, with-
ness, and, by instituting judicious tests of merit, as well as
to simplify and facilitate the transaction ,:f public busi-
out eulogy, and without any pressure from the House of
Commons. (nears hear.)
had held made the holder of it lf he spoke of them it was by removing obstructions to its fair promotion and lemiti
because the office mate rewards, to secure to the service of the State themore responsible for administr tive reform, and finding largest available proportion of the energy and intelligence
that it bad been regularly in force under his predecessor for which the people of this country are distinguished."
it was easy to make provision for their being The hon. baronet, who was very indistinctly heard at the
h
carried on. When they had attained their com-
commencement of his speech, was understood to say that
e did not complain of the tone of the debate in that house
pletion, when the hon. gentleman, the member for Dud-
ut a very different state of feeling existed out of doors, for,
ley, anti the other gentleman engaged with him in that we-
b
ful labour, hail presented something like a view of the de- there had been no question in their time so simple in itself
tails of various offices—he (Mr. Gladstone) did, on the part which had been encumbered by so dangerous an agitation
of the Government of Lord Aberdeen, request Sir Charles out of doors as the motion which was now submitted for
the
Trevelyan and certain gentlemen who had a comprehensive
their aft a considereration. (Hear.) It might perhaps be expected
40 '
experience of the subject, to draw up a detailed report, years peace the departments connected with
war would be found in a faulty state—there
giving a general view of the civil service. And now, it might have

been much that was faulty in their working, and it might r tic spirit and the intellectual character of the house im-
be desirable to reconstruct their machinery on a new prin- pressed upon him ; and he must add, after an experience
eiple. All that was natural enough. But that such matters of twenty years, he could not recollect a time when the
of detail should be perverted at a great public meeting, and I houee was more worthy of the respect and the confidence
made the subject of an inflammatory attack upon a particu- I of the people, whether for the abilities which the mem-
lar class, was to his mind a very great misfortune. (Hear.) I bees had displayed, or, as he believed, the personal incor-
A misfortune so great that he thought the house would, in 1 ruptibility of those of whom it consisted, or their
the first instance, do well to try and sae what were the zee]. for the weal of the kingdom at large. He had shaped
causes which gave to a question so harmless in itself so sini- his amendment so as to be free from all party spirit,
titer and so singular a tendency. Now, on this question it in the hope that every member, whatever might be his
was very important to observe the dates when the cry for arty or politics, might tecord a vote which he could yin-
administrative reform had assumed the shape which it now dicete to his constituents, and justify to his conscience. He
appeared in, and when it first burst upon them. That date hoped that the amendment which he had proposed would
I
was shortly after the accession of the noble lord the member ' be found such as to conciliate the approbation of members
for Tiverton to the head of the Administration. Parliament on both sides of the house. (Hear, hear.)
had laid greatfauit,whether rightiyor wrongly, on the mem-
LABOUCHERE
wh should not have risen had not
1
bers of the late Government. The belief in their errors was been for observations which he understood had fallenit from
strengthened very much by the course pursued by the noble Sir S. Northcote with respect to the • appointment of Mr.
lord the member for the City of London, who applied first Fonblanque to the statistical department of the Board of
to Lord Aberdeen, and then to that house, to have one of Trade. He (Mr. Labouchere) desired to take upon himself
his then colleagues, the Duke of 'Newcastle, removed, and the responsibility of that appointment,
the noble lord now at the head of the Government placed was to be justified most completely considering the high
which he thought
at the head of the War Department. The people took up character of Mr. Fonblanque, and his remarkable statisti-
this view, and the Duke of Newcastle was ejected—the cal acquirements. He regretted that the hon. member for
noble viscount at the head of the Government being re- Dudley should have thought it expedient to condemn the
garded as a trustee, so to speak, for the proper carrying on appointment during his (Mr. Labouchere's) absence from
of the war, and for energy, reform, and vigour in all the the house, and without giving him the slightest notion of
public departments, more especially in that relating to nai- his intention.
litary affairs. Up to this time the Administrative Reform Mr. S. NORTFICOTE remarked, in explanation, that he
Association bad never been heard of. Yet, but two weeks was confident his right hon. friend had made
his o
after the accession of the noble viscount to power, the tions simply because he did not hear the speech aboubservet-
country rang with the cry. Why? He would tell them, which he complained. He (Sir Stafford) had
made no re-
Because the noble lord had disappointed the expectations mark whatever against the appointment of
which he had raised—because he wanted decision and fore- blauque,
beyond the observation that it was an illustration
sight, qualities so essential in him who had the direction of individuals not previously connected with the civil ser-
of public affairs. The noble lord at the head of the Go- vice being appointed to the most important offices. (Hear.)
vernment had not even made up his mind as to the course The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he re.
he would pursue with reference to the Sebastopol Commit- joiced that this question of administrative reform had been
tee—the noble lord had so little decision that he could not brought under the notice of the house. It was a question
even make up his own mind on the subject. The noble not only of great importance in itself, but one that had
lord invited the house to rescind their vote, and reminded lately occupied a large portion of public attention. It was
them of the story of Richard 11., and compared himself to an easy and convenient practice for an association of gen-
Richard 11., who led a mob for the purpose of drawing tlernen agreed upon an important subject to call a public
them away, and refusing them any promise which he had meeting, to which persons were admitted by ticket to se-
made them, and finding the house would be neither con- cure unanimity of sentiment. But when such a question
tented with his blandishments nor satisfied with his ilhis- as that of administrative reform was brought under the
tration, he then made a breach in the constitution, leaving notice of Parliament, it underwent a searching investiga-
three of his colleagues on the other side of the water. tion by persons representing all shades of opinions and sen-
(Laughter.) The noble lord seemed to want foresight, timents. The motion which the hon. gentleman proposed
decision, and earnestness of purpose. The first military embodied in it the question of administrative reform, but
expedition of Lord Chatham against Rochefort failed, it was at the same time a vote of wait of confidence in her
but the public were not dissatised, because they knew Majesty's Government. The sentiments of the right hon.
it arose from no want of vigour in the Minister. But gentleman for Oxford (Mrs Gladstone) were not fully borne
from the first, the noble lord at the head of the Govern- out when he said that that was only a theoretical question,
meet led the people to believe he was trifling with the the discussion of which would lead to no practical result.
solemnity of the occasion, and showed a vacillation and a He begged to say that the practical result would be the
want of sagacity which reminded them much more of Lord res:gnation of the present cabinet. That was a practical
North than of Lord Chatham. There was another conside- question. It was practically a vote of want of con Vence
ration, Let bins ask the most partial supporter of the noble in her Majesty's Government. This was the second vote
ord whether the noble lord had not entirely failed to carry of this kind submitted to the house during the last fort-
out the principle upon which his Government was con- night. A similar question had already been decided upon
strutted ? Why, Lord Panmure declared upon his appoint- the negotiations at Vienna. In considering this question
went, not that he would carry out forthwith a vigorous of administrative reform it was important to retain in
and well-digested plan, or that he would reform that system view the distinction between the executive and the
of which the country complained—that the evils against legislative duties of Government. In a popular Govern-
which the public so loudly and so justly inveighed should merit the two must always be kept distinct. The latter
be put an end to—that he would pursue a course the op- had a right to ask their confidence, or to ask them to
posite to that pursued by his predecessor—that he would withdraw it. It was impolitic to bring forward a vote of
institute a different state of things from an army without want of confidence, and if votes of this kind were brought
food, shelter, clothing, or medicine, in a condition which forward, they must ask the house to give them a decided
made humanity shudder—not at all, but that he would negative. This motion, in effect, went to show that the
carry out the views of his predecessor, the Duke of New- public interest had been sacrificed to public feeling. Now,
castle, to their full extent. Now if the views of the Deke he would ask whether it was possible to exempt it from
of Newcastle were right, why exchange Newcastle for PAD- party and political influence? If they looked at the United
mure ? All dispassionate men acknowledged the humanity States, they would see it carried to a much greater extent
and industry of the duke, and hoped he would have a place than in this country. When apolitical party in the United
in the service of his country hereafter. The only fault which States succeeded to power, not only the political, but all
he was charged with was, that he had not fully attended to the subordinate offices were filled up. In the most popular
the condition of the army, and provided fortheir want:. But Government on the face of the earth, the change was much
Lord Panmure, so far from owning this or promising a dif- more complete than in this country, Then they come to
ferent course, declared he would follow in the footsteps of the other question—namely, whether merit was sacrificed
his predecessor; and this, together with the language and to political influence. It could hardly be denied that per-
the vacillating conduct of the noble viscount at the head of sons should not be excluded from public offices by their
the Administration, excited the middle classes of the coon- connection with hereditary descent. It it was an honour
try, and made them declare and feel that there was no use relei from e Crown rewards for distinguished in trusting trusting to one Minister more than another—that all vices in ve
civil andth military capacities, then a conuexion with
were ready to sacrifice the interests of the country to the that class could be no disparagement. It had always been
conventional courtesies of a drawing-room clique. They the pride of this country, that no distinct lice was drawn
therefore declared that a sweeping change must be made, between the several classes of society, but it would appear
not only in Ministers, but in the whole system of Admini-
stration, from the argument of the hen, gentleman, that he supposed
stration, and take the functions of the Executive into
that the practice of aointi peers to hih offif
their own uncompromising hands. And for all these state had increased rather than diminished of years,
dangers
yearso,
dangers he held the noble lord opposite responsible. It was but history showed that a large proportion of the offices
not until the noble lord came into office that the country had at all times been held by the aristocracy. When Mr.
was aroused, and by these public meetings threatened to Pitt, on overcoming the coalition of Lord North and Mr.
take the business out of the hands of the Government. Fox, came into office, he was the only commoner in the
(Hear.) The people expected something more from the Administration. (Hear, hear.) He alone sustained the
noble lord than levity and jokes. Well, then, he would great struggle, but ho was unsupported by a single put this this question to the noble lord and his colleagues. rnoner. That example showed the practice of that day.
Did they construct themselves into a Cabinet merely for But the hon. gentleman next attributed the disfavour of the
the purpose of carrying out the measures of the last rn Go- bli to their want of eciency in administrative ability.
vernent ? If so, how deeply had they injured the Duke W puell,c he admitted that affi blind adherence to routine trans-
of Newcastle—(hear, hear)—and how egregiously had they formed the executive to a mere machine. Nevertheless,
duned the expectations of the people. If the Government routine was necessary to the transaction of all business ;
said they came into office with plans and with improve- for instance, how could the business of that house be con-
sents of their own, then why had they so greatly eulo- ducted without adhering to routine? It was the same
gised the Duke of Newcastle, and without distinction with Government departments. He was unable to assent
praised all he had done ? (Hear, hear.) Well, what had to this motion of the hon. member. With regard to the
the Government produced ? They had promised some motion of the right honourable gentleman opposite, if the
paltry reforms without embodying one single true ptin- amendment was to be construed by its plain and straight-
ciple, or showing any evidence of inventive faculty. What forward meaning, riot by the speech of the bon. baronet,
the Government had proposed was not enough—they ho saw no difficulty. At the same time healu inform
had launched the country into war without any plan, and the house that a careful revision of the sever public de-
without taking any preparation for it. The noble vie- partments had taken place of late years. The motion was
count had exposed the country to great dangers. Was not justified by any omissions of the Governments pre-
there a man who did not consider how serious were the viously existing. He would call attention to the steps
consequences to the whole social and political systems in already taken for a revision of some of the principal de-
the present state of public feeling? Let him entreat the house to
askwhich themselves
thiscoulddirection of hon. friend now the Secretary of State presided over that
doors something highly clangorous; and what was of far
office. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was then
more importance than any particular Government or mere Under Secretary. A revision took place, in which Sir
aristocratic incapacity—a danger to the principle of re-
presentative Goveinment. Those who debated this Chagas Trevelyan carefully examined the department. In
pies- 1.848 a revision of the department of the Treasury also took
tion against the influence of party, and against the ieflu- place. Sir Charles Trevelyan and Sir William Gibson
once of Parliamentary connection, could not be aware of Craig discharged the duty of inquiring into the department.
the consequences which were likely to iesult. To judge They made a careful examination, and various reforms were
from the language held it was intended to make Ministers introduced into tho department. In 1849 a similar revision
hple ,endent of the influence and the opinions of party. took place of the Colonial-office. Since that time, in nearly
That was the only way to interpret the language used out of all the public departments, extensive reforms were made,
doors, and the result would be that the Crown would be- and the rule now was, that merit and qualification were
come as absolute as in former times. If these meetings.did the tests of admission to the public service. A recent
not mean to destroy Parliamentary parties, what did- they order in council provided for the admission of candidates
mean? They expected, perhaps, to bring parliamentary pro- for situations in tho public service to a greater extent th an
ceedings into contempt. Let the house now see whether the over before existed, and their appointment would depend
Whigs could deny that ever since they camp into power it solely on merit, carefully ascertained by a severe and im-
had not been their especial character to make a marked partial exemination. This was a practical proof of the in
distinction between themselves and the subordinate mem- tention of the Government to secure the best men for the
hers of their party. They drew around them a circle, best places. He would only stet° his conviction that any
which might be called their celestial empire, and to the four practical measure for the advancement of Administrative
corners they banished their subordinates. During the last Reform would meet his support, and be was sure the Ga-
vernment would give any such measure their most careful
20 years the public had seen this exclusive system of family
government. ' A question was now raised against the go. consideration. (Hear, hear.)
verning classes, which, he believed, was much exaggeristed. Lord GODERICH moved the adjournment of the debate
He, however, believed that the dangers might be laid to whereupon the house diided, and there appeared
v the door of the Government. He would do the noble lord
Aga the adj0urnment............ the justice of saying that he thought he was more disposed
Against it
Majority for the adjournment —2ll
29
240
to break down the system of exclusiveness than the Go-
vernments before him—that he was honestly desirous to The debate was then adjourned.
extend his range of selection ; and he thought that in one CONSOLIDATED FUND (10,000,000/ BILL.
of his appointments—the post of Chief Secretary for Ireland, The house then went into committee on this bill, and
a post which required the union of firmness and ability, the clauses having been agreed to it was reported to the
and the power of debating questions in that house—hailed house.
been sineularly fortunate. He (Sir E L. Bulwer Lytton)
believed that the public had grown tired of purely Whig COURT OF SESSIONS SCOTLAND BILL.
On the motion that this bill be read a third time,
Administrations, and sooner or later their doom would be
Mr. F. SCOTT moved that it be read a third time that
sealed. Mr. Burke said that the Whigs of his time never day three months.
had a majority in the country, but that they owed their After some discussion,
Mr. DISRA.ELI hoped Scotch members would not, in
position to dexterous management ; and at this time,
they said to the Radicals, "Support us, or you will let in the first instance make inflammatory speeches, and then
those dreadful Tories," and to the Tories they said, "yon withdraw their opposition, after wasting much valuable must bear with us, or those horrible Radicals will come
time.
in." H© fully believed that this device was worn out. With
The bill was then ordered to be read a third time on
regard to administrative reform, he thought that they must
Monday week.
Wee this measure as soon as possible into their own hands. .
—not in the gradual manner which the right hon. member BILLS OF LADING (No. 2) BILL.
The went
for the University of Oxford had stated--but at once and On hthe 4touse h
clause being proposed,
for ever out of the hands of the agitators. He would not
touch on the question of army reform, as he thought that
After Borne discussion,
were better to be separated from administrative re-. Mr, HENLEY, considering that the clause was of too
form, and to bs made the subject of a distinct debate
(Hear, hear.) As to administrative reform, the elaborate much importance to be disposed of at that hour, moved
speeches of the right hon. gentleman the member for Ox-
that the Chairman should report progress, and ask leave to
sit again, which was agreed to.
L mTEHREs
TEODN
.U, Ci
nA
answerT I O N
t 0 BILLS.a
question by Sir J.
ford (Mr. Gladstone), and of the hon. gentleman who spoke
seco id in the debate, would save him the necessity of quo- Lord PA
Pakiugton, said it was not in his power to fix a day for
tations from the valuable reports of committees of the
the farther discussion of these bills, as the debate of that
house on the different subjects which come under that general
night stood adjourned till Monday.
head. He would, on the authority of those gentlemen,
F Io Cf E
Mr. O OF
wS
ATI:,
take it for granted that there was an imperative want of
A-lEEthe following gen-
a iministrative reform. The hon. gentleman then named Upon the motionOF
the principal administrative reforms which he wished to ties,. on were nominated the Select '
see immediately effected, and which, as far we could Office of Speaker :—Mr, Wad rile Committee upon the
, Lcrd J. Russell, Mr.
gather, were the following:—namely, a primary examine- Disraeli. Sir G. Grey, Colonel Patt
tier' to be applied to all candidates for admission to the Mr. Bright, Mr.
Ellice, Sir W. Heatlicote, the Attorney-General, en,
civil service ; a more jadicious regulation of sa grits ; the Sir F.
Thesiger the Lord-Advocate
institution of good-service pensions ; the bestowal of the , Mr. Fitzroy, Mr. Baines,
Mr. Freshfield, and Sir R. Fero
the and prizes in the service to those who belong to it; The house adjourned rguson.
at half-paet 1 o'clock.
the consolidation of the several disjointed departments
into a compact unity, so as to allow of promotion from one
department to another; responsibility of the men ; merit
as tho o tradition of promoti Na ; and that jedici ,us steps
should be immediately taken to secure that merit in the
service, and to assure to it the rewards which the service
could afford. These were reforms which could be made,
but they were such as required a vigour that the Go-
vernment had not shown, and a generous determination
to induce merit and to encourage exertion. Now, as
to the Treasury minute he was not satisfied with it, nor
was the country ; and he wOuld tell the Government
why. The objects which were to be sought were, to pro-
cure the largest available amount of energy and intelli-
gence for the service of the country, first, by means of
competition, and next, by furnishing professional induce-
ments to those who were in the service. Tho Government
had done by that declaration in the Treasury minute what
would frustrate those objects. They did not widen the
range of candidates ; they still retained for the civil ser-
vice the character of a close borough ; and again they did
not assure even those who became candidates of any of the
prizes of the service. According to that minute, a man
might have prepared himself for the severest examination,
and yet find that, without any preparation or examina-
tion, a man might be put over his head. (Hear.) Again,
he differed from the right bon. member for Oxford in
thinking that these reforms ought to be introduce.i bit by
bit, and that they should ge dawdling on with our public
establishments for the next 20 years, He was of opinion
that; whatever reforms might be adopted, and whatever
regulations for the encouragement of merit, and as a sti-
mulus to exertion, these all should be applied at once to
all our establishments, so that no new reform in one might
be contrasted with the lingering abuses of another. But
in the course pursued by the Government they bad only
announced their desire to attract merit to the senior prac-
ticel department, when another announcement followed
immediately after that the three great prizes—the director-
general of stores, the director-general of contracts, and the
assistant director-general of the army clothing department
—(cries of " hear, hear')—had been given away to men
much more connected with the Government than with the
service. Nothing could be more injudicious at a time.
when popular excitement ought to be allayed. than such
audacious specimens of personal favouritism. (Cheers.) He
said he could not vote for the hon. gentleman's motion,
because, independently of the objections to it which he had
stated, he must connect that motion with the language
used out of doors on the subject, and he could not consent
to sanction views and opinions which, apart from admi. i-
etrative reform, .he must consider unsound in principle and
perilous in consequences. He was desirous that the house
should express their opinion on the subject of administra-
tive reform. But he was sorry to say that not the least
dangerous character which had been exhibited in the course
of this agitation—encouraged, too, by hen. members of the
house—wes the attempt that ha,l been made to disparage
the character of the house itself. For himself, as acting
with a party, were hie views to amount to nothing but
party objects, he might consider it his interest to connive
at that attempt, and conclude that that tribunal must be
wrong which thwarted the purposes of his party. But
he had found that the more familiar he had become with
books and with mankind, the more deeply was the patrio-

COUNTRF VAPKETS,

CATTLE.—Prime beef, 12s 6d per score ; COWS and calves
101. 00s to 16/. ; butchers' calves, 5d to 51d per lb., rearing
calves —s to -- s each. Sheep, 6d to Bd. Lambs, Od to
Od per lb. Store hogs, large size, 00s to 00s each; slips,
00s to 00s ; small, 00s to 003. Rough fat, 44d per lb.
Pork carcases from 10s Od to 108 ad per score.

1
INVERNESS.—JuNE P.
ley?ocrev.—aliWhere3alts,
owdhtiote3,
2pseoraq;r.d,
i7tios,Ocdointom7o6ns,o3,lo. s
oßdatro.
31s Od. Oats, 4s Od to 32s Od.
MEAL.—.Oatmealsecond, 00s,per imp. boll 24s Od to 25s Od : ditto
Od to Os Od barleymeal, 16s 6d. to 168 8d ;
peasemeal, 16 Gd to 20s Od; bran, per stone, Os &l to 9d ;
Ist ilour, per 2801 b, 57s Od to 60s Od ; 2d ditto, 48s Od to
00s Od ; oatmeal, best, per at. of 141 b imperial 2s Z 1
to Os Od ; ditto second, Os Od to Os Od ; barleymeal is 8d
to 00s Od ; peasemeal, is 10d to Os 04; Ist flour, 330 d cash
3s 6•d credit; 2d ditto, 24 6d cash, 2s 9d credit.

—_—___
BRISTOL SUGAR—JUNE 15.
The market has been quiet this week, the sales not
amounting to more than from 2CO to 300 hhds. of West
India. Prices the turn in favour of the dealer. Kanufac-
turere' produce meets with a moderate sale, but late cur-
rencies were barely supported.

COAL MARK.

%-Juzrz 15.

;be close of the market,

Prices of Coal per ton at t
s. 1
Rate's West Hartley 17 6
Buddle IV. Hartley
1188
6t
NLaonartbhtoriWt-ta.t110.a.ne.n...4....'....14....e..
..
......
1290 0
Eiasting's Hartley
Holywell .... ... ... . lB 0 Peusher .................... 18 6
North Percy Hartley _l7 6 Plummer ... ............... 19 0
Tonfield 'Moor l5 6 Richmond ............... 18 6
I
Tanfield Moor Butes 15 6, Russell's fletton .......... 19
Wylam 17 0 South Hetton .............. 0 6 !Hartlepool ................ 20 A
Wallsend, &e. Heugh Hall. ............... 18 3
Acorn Close lB I Kelloe. ...................... 19 Gosforth l7 9 Tees 3
........................ 20
Harton lB OiTrimdon ......... .. ......... 18 0
Heaton
Riddell l7 6 Howard's Wesi Hartley Edeu Main 19 3 Netherton ............... 18 6
Braddyll l9 6 DcrwentwaLer Hartley.lB Kepler Grange l9 3 6

Ships at market... 126 I Sold .. 99

COURSE OF EXCHANGE.—YESTERDAY.
Amsterdam . .• 11 184 Gibraltar ....
Ditto, three months .. 11 191( Leghorn .... ......
29 90
Rotterdam ............ 11 19% Genoa
Antwerp 25 45 25 40 Milan
...... •.....
Bras, els ...... ........ 25 40 I Venice ...... .•
••
am burgh .. •• • • 13 7 I Naples
Altona. • • •
.••,. • • • • • Palermo
.. • .
Paris 25 1714 Messina
Ditto, titre ; months .. 2537yti Lisbon ....
.. 132 •
Morelli% - ........ 25 37% Oporto
Bourdeaux ...• •• • ltio Janeiro ..... .• • ....
Fra.nkfort.on aine 1 I 81,;( Bu en Ayre5.........
Ayres....
Berlin .... .••• • • .. New York, GO dpys' sight
Vienna
.... 12 24 Philadelphia ...... •...
Trieste .... ••.... 12 25 PRICES OF BIILIICN, PER oz.
Petersburg
.. 35% Foreign Gold in Bars 43 17 9
Madrid ......... •, 493( Portugal Gold Coin ..
.. 00 0
Cadiz .. .•• . • • .... „ 5034 Mexican Dollars 00 0
Barcelona •. • ...... New Dollars .... • 00 0
Seville.. • • I
......... Sliver in bars • 0 5 1%

53%
53%

TA PAL AND MILITARY INTELLIGENCE:

ADIRALTY, JUNE 15. The following promotions and M
appointments have this
day taken place :
Lieutenant Henry Frederick Maißop, of her Majesty's
ship Snake, to be Commander ; Second• Master N. B. Her-
bert to be Master; Assistant-Paymaster Sydney E. Wright
to be Paymaster; Assistant-Engineer Ist Class George
Wilson to he Acting Chief Engineer of the 3d class. To
be dated May 24.
Lieutenant John F. C. Mackenzie, of her Majesty's ship
Miranda, to be Commander.
Gunner 3d Class John Roberts of her Majesty's ship
Ardent, to be 2d Class Gunner.
Lieutenant Cecil W. Buckley, of her Majesty's ship
Miranda. to be Lieutenant and Commander of the Snake,
vice 111`Iiillop.
Lieutenant Hugh T. Burgoyne, of her Majesty's ship
Swallow, %to be Lieutenant and Commander of the
Wrangler.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWTON RA CES.—TrrunsDA.v.
The Newton Purse (in lieu of the Drawing,-room Stakes an-
nounced for this day) of 25 sovs, added to a Handicap
Sweepstakes of 3 sovs each, for all ages. One mile and a
quarter. 8 subs.
Mr. Calder's Haxby, 4 yrs, 7st 31b (car. 7st 41b (Aldcroft) 1
Mr. Robinson's Billy Richardson, 6 yrs, Bst 81b (G. Oates) 2
Mr. Moseley's Romeo, 5 yrs, 7st 51b .T. Cliff 3
The following also ran—Questionable, Prince's Mixtur) e,
Preston Strike.
1 etting-7 to 4 agst Haxby, 7 to 2 agst Questionable, and
4to 1 agst Billy Richardson. A fine race in with the first
two, Haxby winning on the post by a short head ; three
lengths between the second and third. Preston Strife was
nearly a distance behind.
The St. Helen's Purse, of 50 soya, added to a Sweepstakes of
7 sovs each, 3 ft; two-yr-olds, Est 81b ; three, Bst 101 b ;
fillies allowed 31b ; winners once before starting, 31b;
twice, 51b extra. The owner of the second horse to receive
back his stake. Half a mile. Thirteen subs.
Mr. E. Parr's Stork, 2 yrs, 6st 131 b (including 51b extra)
Mr. Halford's Goldhill, 2 yrs, Est Blb ...... (Quinton) 1 -
......... (T.
Mr. E. Buckley's Sister to Mrs. Rigby, 2yrs, Est 51b
( orpe
Th Cliff) 2
)
The following also ran :—Heir of Lynne, Eve, Announce-
Betting-5 3
ce-
ment, Duplicity, Kitty, and Arabia.
Betting-5 to 2 agst Goldhill, 3to 1 agst Stork, 4to 1 agst
The Heir of Lynne. Won cleverly by half a length ; the second
beating the third a length ; Heir of Lynne was a bad fourth,
Kit+ y fifth, and Eve sixth.
The Great Newton Handicap of 200 sovs, added to a Sweep-
stakes of 5 sovs each. Certain penalties. The owner of the
second horse to receive 201. out of the stakes. One mile
and a half. Twenty-one subs.
Mr. Palmer's Lurley, by Orlando, 4 yrs, Est 41b (Quinton) 1
Mr. T. Parr's
( ) 2
Saucebox, 3 yrs, Est 71b, including bulb extra,
c tilled Est 81b ........
MMr. Flintoff's ........ Clement Whalebon ....e, 5 yrs, Est 9113
.""""'(Bates) 3
r. Mather's St. Clare, 4 yrs, fist ...... . .............. cr. am 4
Mr. J. Scott's Louvat, 3 yrs, 4st 111 b (carried 4st
121 b),
Mr. Norton's Van Winkle, 3 yrs, sst 111 b (Fordham) 5
(W. Du n) Bettina-6 to 4 agst Louvat, 4to 1 agst St. Care, 5 fell
to 1
agst Saucebox, 6to 3 agst Lurley. Won rather cleverly by half a length. Three lengths between the second and third,
and a head between the third and fourth. Pace severe
throughout.
Selling Stakes of 3 sovs each with 30 added ; for three-yr-ads
and upwards; optional selling weights. One mile and a
distance. Eleven subs.
Mr. Calder's Haxby, by Foynton, 4 yrs, 7st 121 b (30/.)
(Alderoft) 1
Mr. Dawson's Chisel, 3 yrs, 7st 13113 (30/.) ............ (Bates) 2 Mr. Norton's na Cassio, 5 yrs, 7st 131 b (30/4 'Waddington) 3
The following also ran :—Mountain Maid, Vivid, The Ba-
ronet, Criterion,
Betting-2 to 1 agst Chisel, 2to 1 agst Haxby, sto 1 agst
Cockspur. Won by a head. Bad third. The winner was
bought in for 101 guineas.
The Warrington Handicap of 50 sovs, for two-yr-olds and
upwards.
Mr. Morris's Comfort, by Birdcatcher, 4 yrs, Bst (Basham) 1
Mr. S. Smith's The Cripple,- 4 yrs, Est llb (T. Cliff) 2
Mr. Mather's Rose, 3 yrs, sst 101 b (Walters) 3
The following also ran :—Little Nell, Cigarette, Parma,
Anniversary.
Betting ---3 to 1 on Comfort, 5 to 1 agst The Cripple, 6 to 1
agst Rose, 7to 1 agst any other. Comfort made all the run-
ning, and won very easily by a length. Same distance be-
tween second, third, and fourth.

PA RLIA MENTA HY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF LORDS —.TUNE 15. -
The
following is the majority of Peers who voted in favour
of
mittee referring the Religious Worship Bill to a select com-
:—

DUKES Nelson Gloucester
Leeds Vane St. David's
Cleveland Sheffield BARONS
MARQUISES Beauchamp Berners
Salisbury Macclesfield Sondes
Bath
Vissonyrs Bayning
Drogheda Hawarden Redesdale
EARLS Doueraile Churchill
Derby Bisnors Lilford
Hardwicke London Auckland
Abergavenny Chichester Colville
Talbot ' Meath Ravensworth
Malmesbury Killaloe Colchester
Wilton Kilmoro Tenterden
Harewood Ripon Wynford
Romney Hereford Feversham
Powis St. Asaph Bateman
Dououghmoro Oxford

FRIDAY.
The Two Year Old Selling Stakes.
Mr. Moore's b f by Mountain Breeze, by Storm (20 sovs)
Mr. E. Buckley's b f Sister to Mrs Rib (Foam) 1
gy, 7st (2014 (Thorpe) 2
rTbliyeaNVl%ellke
Mr. Whitaker's b c Salmon, 7st 31b (201.) gf un day) 3
The following also ran :—b f Sister to Noddy, br f An-
nouncement, br f Prince's Mixture, ch f Eve, br f Baroness,
br f Magic Spell, b f Little Nell, and Lady Florence.
, Bst 121 b
............................... (A.ld croft) 1
Betting-2 to 1 agst Sister to Mrs. Rigby, 4to 1 agst Moan.
i.i; ............... (Basilan') 2
;two
a lengths Breeze,
between
elf i
Stork,r as g stp, tac erke Magic
b o
ysn daSa and
bde
ollelfirhl
oiorrdWB
S.O
ivrs
les
east,
each..
bought in for 550 guineas,
Stork . (Whitehouse) 3
Mr. E. Lyme
PariT'hsebi:
(including 51b extra)
length between second and
Mr. Morris's b f Tilly, Bst 91b ....
MrlieHttainlfgo—rdE'svbein•conFinshielry72anoBista.gB7 t
_ ach, for all ages.
TFhisebeGrmraanud.
StandlYon byen aphoear
Imsoustebv,s e _. s (in specie), added to a
d1;00a 1:, , and 3to 1 agst
third.
,sanbdiceapE
Mr. Fawcett
(carried fist 11b) . .. bY Collingvvood, 3 yrs, Est
Mr. Williams's br C ........... ...............................
(1.
Gill)
1
3
(Bates) 2
Mr. T. W. Redhead's bh 1; yrs,
7st
Dear Me, 5 yrs, 7st 71b (Aldcroft) 3
The following also ra
gist, Venison, Van Winkl:- 'Catherine Parr, Hercules, Enlo-
e, Medal, Timotheus, Nell Gwynne,
Steelyard, and Bovine, Be
Betting-3 to 1 agst: tsy.
Hercules, 9 to 2 agst Catherine Pair,
5 to 1 agst Dear Me, 9 to 1 each agst Exmouth and Eulogist,
10 to 1 each agst Steelyard and Venison, and 12 to 1 agst
Bolton. 'Won in a Canter by two lengths, the same between
second and third, and a neck between third and fourth. Run
in 2n.tin. 12see.
The Ashton Handicap Plate of 50 sovs, for all ages ; half-a
mile.
Mr. Morris's b f Comfort, by Binicateher, 4 yrs, Bst ala.slgaii) 1
Mr. T.W. Redhead's br h Dear Me, syrs, Est 131 b (Thorpe) 2
Mr. Clark's b f Cimicina, 3 yrs, fist 71b atothery) 3
Pr c by Blackstrap, Anniversary, and The Lady Abbess
also ran.
Betting-4 to lon Comfort. Won easily by two lengths ; a
length between second and third._

The following is a List of the Peers who voted against Lord
Derby's motion to refer the Religious Worship Bill to a select
committee :
The Lord Chancellor Granville

13AROXS
Camoys
Clarina
Calthorpe
Congleton
Leigh
liostyn
Middleton
Vlscourrrs Sayo and Sele
Canning Stanley of Alderley
Falkland Wodehousa
Sydney
PAIRS.

DUKE Harrowby
Argyll Minto
MARQUISES Somers
Breadalbane Suffolk
Westminster • Spencer
EARLS Waldegrave
Bessborough
Burlington
Chichester
Fo rtescue
Fitz william

FOR. AGAINST.
Duke of Cambridge Earl of Durham
Earl of Strathmore Lord Monteagle
Earl of Erne Lord Vivian
Viscount Canterbury Lord Poltimore
Viscount St. Vincent Lord Glenelg
Earl De la Warr Lord Portman
Earl of Lanesborough Earl Fitzhardino
Lord Forester Earl CoWper g
Earl of Cardigan Earl of Sefton
Bishop of Worcester Lord Foley
Duke of Buckingham Lord Brougham
Bishop of Lincoln Earl of Abingdon
Duke of Northumberland Earl of Ellenbor ugh
Duke of Buccleuch Earl of G
Earl of Beverley Lord Cremorne
Lord Kenyon
Air
Lord Bantry Earl of lie
Earl of Bradford Lord Crewe
Lord Lyndhuret Lord Paumurc
Earl of Jersey Lord Enfield
Earl of addington
Earl of Scarborough
H
Earl
Earl of Eglinton
Lor of Clarendon
Earl of Lucas d Plunket
Lord Campbell

W The , e Selling Platesix of 50hers sovs was won at three heats by Kitty
beating ot.

A Constantinople letter of June 4 states that Abd-el-
Kader has accompanied his mother and his wife au far
PConstantinople, on their way to
Mecca; on a pil-
image.

LIVERPOOL—RI-5E 15,
The corn exchange this morning was thinly attended by
millers and dealer; whose purchases were restricted to im-
mediate requirements for consumption. The following re-
duction may be quoted :—About 2d per bushel on wheat,
is to is 6.1 per sack on flour, and is per qr. on Egyptian
beans. Oats, barley, and oatmeal were very dull of sale.
Indian corn about is decline from Tuesday, making the
reduction from this day se'enig,ht is 6:1 per qr.

WAKEFIELD—JurrE 15.
The corn trade dull and inactive during the week, caused
by the fine growing weather ; supplies moderate. The re-
duction in the price of wheat has induced several holders
to withdraw their samples; millers still act cautiously,
and we quote prices is to 2s per qr. lower than on this day
se'nui4ht. Barley the turn dearer. Oats and shelling
without variation. Beans as before. Little doing in other
articles.

EXETER—JUNE 13.
CORN.—In our market wheat may be quoted from 98 3d
to 9s 9d. Malting barley, 4s 6d to 5s Od ; grinding do., Os
Od to Os Oc.. Oats, 3s 8d to 4s Od. Beans, Os Od to Os
Od. Peas, ON Od to 00s Od.
FLOUR. —Fine, 56s Od to 58s Od ; seconds, 51s Od to 56s
Od per sack.