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is Weary day APS st Naptei, except aim slay when
tadiasv."- imsd. west home to the he.;
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Fuse bp two witoreses libM' Bergsma woe its, sad
his indisposition having' been miry • head ache. the would
he ales ie a Miami.* to redact witnesses Is aistradiet.tha
evidence of Demon:, castles to what Ae staled to Ism •
taken plate at Chariot's, her evidence would be (quad
in the minutes, page 102, which she contradicted in page
3111. He would prove that Beeped bad as that isms
beer duipstebral to lanspereek to obtain a paseport,
ana that he was accompaaled 'by a 'Pitney* whose he
wilehl prOdwee to their Lordships, sad that the resale
why her Majesty was in bell 'was, us accusal of its be_
log a severe frost, and that she took refuge then for the
sake of warmth. Rerganzi and the witoess had bees pre.
paring so semi her Majesty', suite off, and bad hive 'ober
kisjeity's ioum several timles, In receive lostrections from
her relative to her suite, and that at two o'clock in the
tourisius, when Dement swore that Bergaosi was slime in
the rosins with her Majesty, and she iu heti, the willows.
would prove that they were nut alone, for he was in the
room at the acme time; be would not prove this by only
our witness, fur he bad three to speak to the sante tees. Be
would next take that lamentable case, of which Serail hail
given his memorable evidence, whirls was Ise be found in
paste 438 sal the initiates. He had told their Lordships that
hr
had drawn back tlw villains of she carriage, two or three
times, in which her Majesty and Bergsma were travelling;
once was nut stifficieut fur hint, but to snake hi• story
(00. he Willis! have their Lordships to believe that be slid
ii oftener. It was sot fur him to repeat what lisle Sacchi
aid lie had seen ; It would be sufficient for him to prove
that his story wee false. In the first place, he would
move drat Salechi was not the courier ntlewiliog ou her
Majesty UN that journey, anal this he would prove by the
costlier that was actually iu atteuilaiwe. Then if Sacelii was
not there he tuna slot have witnesses d the 6 ful scene
he had spoken a. He would prove that the Queen, on that
sarcasm°, towelled in an Esiglish landau, and that it had no
Cerhlilla that Cotshl he withdrawn, as it had spring blind,.
Another person aou'd be produced to their Lo.dshsps, who
would prove that she was in the carriage nn the morning
▪ to by Sari hi, with her Marsty and Bergami, and
that nothing of the Dative, as iteseribsd by Stcchi, had taken
piece. Denim,' mentioned in her evidence that the bed-
chamber of her alajesty was chaiird at the Villa d'Este,
and that certainly it was for the odious purpose mentioned
in the preamble of the Bill. It would, however, be proved,
that in she wilder months her Majesty could nut sleep in the
bed-chamber she slept its in the summer months, no account
lathe chimney amokine. and the bed room she removed to
was at the reedier mid of the building from her sit tug npait.
meats—and for the pierpme of retain to it her Majesty
must have taken the tour of the whole 'muse. It a mild be
proved that no new dour was erected on that °evasion, but
ae old door sitwiird, which led from the beit.rourn into the
tuition aparimentr, to prevent her Mejesty hum retiring to
rest by a eircuilou• runic. It was not his intentiuu to truss.
hie their Lordahips wills much more detail as to what he
would be able to prove, in coniratliction of the evidence for
the adverse case; the evidence fur her Majesty twouhl not
wilily go to Weld:Mal eirruntotauces. but to farts. There
*as one eivcometatice which he could nut overlook, panic u•
tarly as he had hero braved iu it by his Learned Friend (hisMajesty's Solicitor-General)—it was the evidence of shot
page 2.13
bowfin person, Itageasitsiii, h be r "I;
of the minutes. Ile said that he had bran working its tin
grotto at the Villa ir Este, on cornices; it was fortunate for
her Majesty that he. was so preci.e as to the time and
place, for the statues that be bad told their lArdebips lie had
seen, were at that time in Ibehouve, and not iu the grotto, so
lie had as rood an opportunity of seeing them as he (the
Learned Counsel) had of taking a peep into So. Patil'shota
the place he was mewling : there were certainly two cornices
is the grotto, and this must repeciable witness, Itagazzioni,
Might have been at work on uste of them, but it was also
Most certain that he could not have seen the figures of Albin
end Eve from either of-them. . He would prove that the
evidence of this matt was a malignant calumny ou the per-
ers and character of her Majesty. Then, in a ease like this,
where there was the prober keeping of witnesses, never he.
fore known in any other ease—first under the Seal of the
Milan sad afterwards by the weight of the coin
of the country, which introdsietri them to their lordships sir
marked, whether haute or behind he would not say, that
their eviduace ought sot to be attended to. If their Loud.
skips found any part of a witness's evidence to be false,
whit belief could they give to the remaining part ? He would
tell their Lordships that if the velocity of a wituras was
shakes, is one instance, they could nut pre him credit for the
rem of his r•joiriltf, as these was 110 .111,11 line to be drawn : they
must therefore diem's, the whole of it from ihi it consides ation.
The vermeiy of a soon was wit rni ire thing; it was a whole,
not capable of ilisiinctimi or division. The testimony of a
'witness was to tie considered either all truth or all perjury
from Bret to last. Their I.m-deltic' were to consider IN If
shaken at all, shaken in the %hole. There was no *sedition
between truth and falsehood in human attain; there could
be none in the judgment lif their Above all,
N. consideration was strengthened by recullectiteg who! hail
•!snisist invariably bees found to be the case in the litmus y of
calumny and conspiracy, that • false aecosatiou was
grawerally composed by engrafting on certain facie which Jul,
or easily might have existed, circumstances and inferences
'roundlet*, whence the malignity of the whole tale arose.
Was there any thiug in this case to give room for that ma-
licious sup octave of falsehood? Evidently there was.
There was a journal which had been kept of the Queen's
journey, and the incidents connected wills it, by Domissit,
a person who throughout that composition spoke highly p
ferour of her Majesty, whom she had since been employed
in calumisistine, and that, he contended, was a very proper
foundati 111 l for the whole story. There all the circumstances
of her Majesty's !ravels and her history daring the time
were detailed minutely. Theo came this uumain, this re.
fusee, who had turned 'galest hrr mistress, that so long
elierielied her, wStir hrr narrative, and after that nothing
was wanting but a person of inf. iorr ingenuity to en-
graft on it, to She prejudice of bee Illsijesly, a series
of unreal incidents, and scandalous and injurious de-
ductions. %Viteis lie Intl heard the adverse case slink. n
by his Isom.d !',lend in such a manner us it hail
been yesterday and the day before, though he was au
advocate, and, he thanked Cod, a zealous adirstrate of her
Majesty, sod therefore his opinion might be cotesidered as
swot wholly impailial; still Ono he bash heard his learned
Friend an baiter and demolish the adrrroe case, be could
not forbear exclaiming with Cicero—" n rerilatix &Rayne
Wt. goer, combo laminas flageolet. cullidilatona. tiara:not ;
eonfrague lidos ontniuma inaidiess facile per ac, Ipso lucel."
But again, alien he saw the distance at which the tomb...sop
story was amp's', and that time might, iu the mean tone,
have thrown her mantle over all the means of detecting the
truth—thee he reit., ont, " that Heaven flues defend as
with a shield, and with a special protection guard the in do •
cent." He called' their Lordships :Mention to the state.
meats of the two Hon. Officers of his Majs sty, Captains
-Pechell and Hewes, the up ly tall persons to eatablieh the,
opposite case; mid he meant tio reflection on any country,
on whose tesitimoity their lordship, might rely with all con.
• fidelity, and iwymist a shadow of Justin she only individuals
• with regard to whom they could lay their hands on their
hearts and say this evidence they believe. Captain Perheli,
with the lortroor of a Its it lah 'Aver, though he we. not with-
oat all MOM of adverse feeling to her Majesty—be nwatitt
shall it had been his own impremion dist he had received
some slight grounds of offence, said nothing •gaiusi her Ma.
jute'. Ceptaits Briggs tint only did tout speak against lite,
hut decisively has tier flower. list Was this a violent instil..
*mountable parliffrio thee woe met to be concealed Icons the
world—that war to be gratified in reerkeepletio, and WI
shipboard; he asked 'amid they have been on board with.
• out-any thing injurious to tier ruining to the kinsiviertge of
111 C Cummauders This most be entseitlered a I,ohit in
favour of she Quern, that spike .fish the voice ofa trumpet.
What earl of system we* this to lie pursued at such a time ?
Were they hot daily hearing, soil hearing in the shape of
leywentation and consplaiut, Hat there existed in this coon.
•try. at this time, Si a herbals-st std iasithordirsate, sod
every sow and then a tremonabln temper. *wog eo small
portion of the -people of Engliwid i Did they not hear
it aid, was it sot serradod to their cars, that the
laws wave viewed will eresperois in their east-twat,

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its milertaistiag We Silt Om tame castle* is legislative ass.
sere of very doubtful import, not eel, tete which be
greatly lejariems let ate side awl greatly ashroodageolit to
another, but he asserted that they were sweetie' • lighted
beebread of enti.sitmembleal teadeuey-into a magaglue pre.
pared for combustion mud rowboats,. Was Ibis Hell, h eased,
they, to be tarried through all its stages ? was it to Eu to its
almost extent, and that on the evideace addend at their
Lordship! bar ? It was not fur his. to answer these sloes.
tines. He should perm the 'object sue farther. Their Lord.
'kips, he trusted, out diedaiiiiirg the precedent given these
wise Judges to whom he hail previously allotted, who had look.
id to posterity, and at the mime time paid s regard to Ilia
seatiasents of the people of the emsolry, would prow•eure
that judgmeat which might assuage beat., allay aoiniesitice,
and peradventure, by great good fortes., even yet preserve
andisturbed Ike rabbit tranquillity and peace. Tim was
the sentiment that animated hie heart, that whatever might
by the cousequesoce, the cause of substantial justice might
triumph.
Me. Williams concluded at use o'clock precisely.
Earl Grey, in a few minutes, rose sad said, that bolero
witnesses were called by her Majesty's Counsel, he ebbed
to call their Lordships' attention to two material statements
made by the last Learned Counsel (Mr. William, ;) they
were of such importance that he should think tt Ids duty to
make a motion, fur the purpose of asking Counsel whether
they were ready to proceed immediately to the proof of these
facts. The Mouse would perceive that lee alluded to the
alleged interference on Ike part of foreign Goveroments to
prevent evidence coining to this tenoutry, on behalf of the
Queen, of the mist material description, and that ire two
instances : first, in that of the Grand Chamberlain of the
Duke of Nedra ; secondly, in that of Georral Pima %nen
the Noble Earl opposite had stated, with that propriety with
which, iu his °piano', he usually acted, that any maniac,
which the Government might think proper lib !Seri with
foreign Governments to prorate the attendance of witnesses
fir the Bill, •uuld be equally exerted in respect to the
Quern's witnesses, if it should he !Decrease!, it bed been esti,.
factory to every person who had beard it, and be had felt
assured that
mess. was the case now ! In page 202 of the printed
evidence, to the examination of Barbara Kress., their Lord-
ships would find the following:—" Who told you that you
should get a compensation for coming here!"—" The Mi.
iiistry."—" What Nltnistry '''—" 1 told him that 1 Oswald
lure my sit esti eeee ."—" {What Ministers are you speaking of!"
" Ile told me that it I did not go voluntary, I should he
fwoced to go."—" What Minister do you mean?"—" The
Nlinister of the Grand Duke of B 11,1,111; I dun' I know elbether
lie was the 3lmisier for Foreign Affairs, or the !Wrier."
Heft then was the evideare which Erratic gave, that influ-
ence and poser hid brew used by the Minister of the Grand
Dake of Baden, to cause witnesses to come over against the
Queen. Belt they were told now that the Chamberlain of
the Greed Duke of Baden was a material witness for the
Greco. and to disprove the allegations of this very Kreger,
that no less their three different applications bail been made
fur his attendance, and the Grand Chamberlain, though be
was MOM( If willing to tome, had bent prevented from corn.
in` by that authority wind) he could not resist. He should
nut slate his own opinion of interference of that soli on
either side He admitted. it might be necessary for Gie-
wereintait to nee its istßitenee, in order to effect that
witnesses might be brought over; but if this admission
should be insole for the sake of all argument, lee wits
sore it would be allowed that the same iufleence unght
to be earrietl on the nth. r keor.)—Bet
not wily was that hot done, but there appeared to have
hero a dwell exercise of authority against her Majesty's wit.
messes corning. He doubted whether it would not be right
to 'impend the future proceedings tilt satisfaction should be
procured on there points, and that the management a the
case might wear the colour of substantial justice. With re.
speed to General Pion, it*appeared that he had asked his
tiovertiment whether be were to come, and obtained leave,
but with a condition an extraordinary, that of not wearing
his uniform, that he thbaglit it prudent to inquire of his
Government whether his coming would he attended with the
loss of his commission, end the waist of a reply determined
bon against it. lilts Lordship then muted that the Cutsiisel
for her Majesty should be called to the liar and asked, whe-
ther they were ready to prove by witnesses at the lite the
farts which had heels stated respecting the inseacreore of
foreign Governments to prevent witnesses from coming over
to ibis country.

The Earl of Liverpool said, that he most entirely agreed
with the Noble Earl that all they had been doing war little
more than a meckery of justice, if the indiums's: or the Go-
vernment had hero exerted to throw obstacles in the way of
her Majesty bringing her simmer to this country. But
before going further, he felt it doe to hinssrlf and to those
with whom he acted, and particularly that part of his Ma.
jetty's Government which was more immediately involved its
the imputatton, to state ale.' he should hare the means, if
it were necessary, of proving at the b or, for he had a perfect
reli•nee on he • I of Dr. Lioihrtigtan and Mr. Vizard.
%Vheu the proceedings had been first commented, there Gen.
Heinen had been informed that whatever requisitions they
might have to make with regard to she attendance of foreign
witnesses', should he addressed to the office of the Secretary
of State, and that their applieittitiow should be enforced to
Foreign Courts with all the Mffirence of the Government.
Moreover, what he believed was nut very usual, they were
informed that they should receive copies of all the comma.
Ilk/I,IOIIS which might pass between ibis and calor Govern.
merit■ on the subject. And they were told that if an agent
should he sppoinird by them for the purpose of collecting
evidence •broad for her Majesty, this Government would
then write to the Austria"' and other Governments, to desire
that on slit repreovirwition of this agent, facilities might be
given for sending any persons to this country whose evidence
should be conaidered material to her Majesty, without parti-
cular munications with the Government here. It was
necessary that some one agent should be appointed. Colonel
Brown hail been named for she Government, And Mr. Henry,
he underatood, fur the Queen. He maintained, that what.
user regulations had been laid down by the Government, hail
been observed. If ally special difficulty arose out of the
came of the Chamberlain of the Duke of Baden, because we
hail nu I elldiCh I Miuisttr at that Court, it would have been
easy In have stated that rocomaianee, and made an appli-
cation at the Secretary of S'ale's Office; but it had not
been font. He took it on himself to say, that If an appli.
cation hail been made at that Office, • communication
would have been Nem to that Court willow any delay ; and
at this moment, if the Counsel for leer Majesty would say
that these two 1111%11111% were material witnesses for her Ma.
jetty, be pledged himself that not two hours would elapse
before a messenger would be sent off for thean and he was
satisfied that they would with all possible spreleome to this
country. %Vali re.pett to the individual in the north of
Italy, there would not be the least difficulty in laying the
correspondeuee on the subject of his commit to England
before the Hour. He had seen a correspondence which
bed taken place, and certainly the Austrian Gorensinetst
lied thought proper to lay down a rule fur all the witnesses
on both aides, afar hearing of the riots at Dover, that
they should nut appear in thia country in uniform. And
Ise maintained that It was furfreily reasonable, abed there
was an inflammation its the public mind here, fur any
Foreign Government to take precautions that their mi-
litary service insight nut be insulted iu the persons of any
individuals wearing Its auiforns.--(fitar.)—H/ knew that
this individual bad taken up the thing on the principle of
the order bring derogatory to ions as art Officer. But it
could not be so, for their Lordships had seen two very re.
spretable British Officals appear at their bar in a pleio dross,
like private Gesitletneu. He said this, because he believed
that in truth uo each reason ahasever operated at his suoad,
bat that there was some preposideraling motive which ho
did out with to es4vlslo.

The Doke of WePliers** joritilled (os we onderstood, for
his Grace spoke is rather o low foie of 'Wee) lbe cuodaol
of the Aourias Govesosnent to makiag She order is goes.
glum.

Earl Gm's tootles was Ibex earricd, and the Lord Chas:

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abroaat est "de ageing, more tore-
mgr. Henry. They were wow papered Web -the
we meeteeiel eviler*, ea to the emote of the Amoco
of
the Cbaddetriela. 'Ploy were eartaluly aware *1 what
had bee* stated by the Noble Earl, hot they hod
(miters, an application to the Secretary of dtatee
Office, jedging that an laterferenee from sot epoo fioy
vernatent to • foreign one might be rorefectly Damn-
tory io obMiniag iedneeeee fee the Queen, though it
might hues been quite efeeloil on the whir aide. Be-
sides. they did oot like to tell. at a long ioterirel. before,
whet witnesses they aleould be likely to call, bream+, as he
eltoold hereafter she., the knowledge of out person he that
Ml•ettee bad led to hie being practised cub. la member
slag, they ehnold prove the feels atereed as to General
Piao sail also as to miter oaterl'ememe of Gilead Semen.
Earl Grey eaphosed, and moved that the Collemel •Ansold
be said, whether they .ere ready to prove the facie alleged
as to the Chemberlaie of she Dulir of Baden ?

The quention hiving hive eirriell no the arsinsative, it
was_ pm. by the Lord Clwnc.lbr.

Mr. Brougham rrpteed,. Moot os niftiest ionahly ;" he added,
lint it wee sot till wit►in a day ur two they had beta aware
of this olitfittety.
The Earl of Liverpool soked, whether, as there wet no
impasatioso throw• on the emoolort of %linemen, either by
Sheer Lorthhipe ev the Counsel, it was wisteria to go on
with Ohl i.quiry? The inference rutted by t►e Learned
Counsel, that the application might he /farad in one rale
sod out in another, was worth nothing at all, She should
have applied at all events. 11 wow apprsren that no appli-
cations whatever had be►s made to him klairsty'd Gureroloeut
eir procure the attendance of these witnesses. lie (Lard
Liverpool) ea the port of the Govrromeat, offered to pro-
cure their immediate agronomy if it was thought useful by
her klajesty'r Coonorl.
_ .

Earl -Grey said, that fur himself he hail so wish lo press
the inquiry at present.
The Lord Chancellor obarivrei, that the matter most be
left to the discretion of her Majesty's Emmert. Hut he took
the liberty of saying that if they did 'wove ohm port of the
!Ste now, humeri, 111.1ift131 it might be in other re.prtie, I
0111 hi not helmet all in the view of suspendiag I 'or prod.. Mines.
The only way of compelling the eitruilance of I...wieners was
by usinit, the influence of our own wiih the Government
wader which they lived. No appliratioo bad hers madam by
her ‘lajesty'a Counsel to the &rectory of State's othee.
They had not thought proper to adopt the only means for
attaining their object winch would have been effectual,
and therefore it was not possible the 'proceedings could be
11110 p.
Earl Grey observed, that he should not, after what had
transpired, for one moment say, that what occor:rd ought
to heat the effect of suspending the proceolines. He re.
commended that it shu nl lb. kit to Its. diseretrou of her
Majesty's Curried whether they should proemial with. that
part of thecase now, ur at a future period.
The Earl of Dowarnelsemorr, is a warm tone, mid that a
charge had bean brought by her Majeaty's Canmet, imput.
ing iujostice to the Government, in the progress of the
inquiry. The statement went so far as to my that wit Ilellart
in support of the Hill hod hewn compelled to come over,
through the influence of oar Government, and that the
same inflasenee bad been used to prevent the •itendeoce of
some am the Ober side. It was now time to resist ouch Hippo.
Wilting. The fault of the aritartues not being lore lay with
her Majesty's Comore!, awl Iheirimpulation was disproved by
their own statement They knew they shout.' have made sit
applirat iota to the Secretary of State's Office ; bet they did 'rot
choose to do so, because they knew a complaint of this na.
tare world round an inference well, Mud make a proper
finale to a speech. It they bail given the names of the per_
moos 'sec 1111 l y to her Majesty's arrester to his Majesty's
Goverunsent, those witempaes would hare been before this
period on their way to this country. lie thought that the
Howse should al once say that it would admit 110 such im-
putations in future, that they should be cootnolictefl as fast
as made.

Lord Holland described the impression which bad been
made on his mind by the statement of the Counsel at the
the her. The Learned Cones,, hail stated the circumstances
which had prevent►il him fridu having his evidence com-
plete. lle Mail said that the arm of power had been ease.
• to p t the attendance of certain witnesses. It was
ant for him to explain what that arm of power waa,wbettee,
or by whom it wee wielded. It was for hint to state
temperately and dispassionately, as he ghosted he Widow,
a fact which it would have been a dereliction of his duly
to have suppressed. What, he aakell, would be the con.
sequence, if the House was called upon to moister, not
only the arguments of Counsel at the Isar, bat also what
might be supposed to he their insinuations ? If IN the
exertion of the talents with which Providence had en.
duwcd then', the Cuiinsel thought it advantageous to rake
■uy particular ideas in the minds of the lodge., it was their
duty so to du. If they exercised that duly i■ so improper
way, it then became the ditty of the Court to inteif ve, to
tell them that they were eeeee ding the limits which were
allowed them; that they were treading on ground which they
had no right to touch. Rid he put it In .heir Lordships to
say, if after the Counsel had been allowed to speak, and they
had sat patiently bearing them to the conclusion (perhaps
the Noble Earl would say too patiently!, it would he be.
coining in any Peer to stand up its the body of the 1405114%
and attempt to answer the argument, nilvauced at the bar in
the midda. of the proceeding. It was their duty to hear the
Counsel advance all that could be admitted for ills advantage
of the Illustrious Accused. It was no part of their duty,
either as Judges or as Legislators, to get up and eoninsessi,
and cavil, and aerie on the statements which the Counsel
hail advanced, arise they had been patiently admitted by the
House.

The Earl of Dunonghtwore and Lord Holland explained.
The Lord Chancellor said, that it was the dirty of their
Lordships to stop the Counsel if the heard any thing which
slay might consider improper to Ire advanced; aid it was
as mark the right of sine of their Lorit Asps as another. in
any such case, rg interfere. Fur his own part, he felt that
he should owe tfreir Lordships a very• hamble apology, if be
had antlered the Counsel to go into assertions which did not
belnug to the case. Hut it was clici cdingly difficult to titer-
rife such a discretion, as it was nearly impuseible le keno
how far an asserti of • Cutimel might •flet wards be
borne out i■ proof, or how far it mirky, when proved, be ills-
',inlaid to his case. To relieve himself as for ponibleim
this difficulty, Is- had Wien note, of that which the Counsel
tittered, and be must say that lie found outbid( on his notes
of the nature of the charge made by the Nublf Earl egainst
the Counsel. It appeared that in the first place tbe Queen's
Attoreiey-General hail declired that he had on idea of calling
witnesses at all. Aber that, he undertook to state the A.M.
collies which oppressed the three'', with respect to the
'timbering of witnesses. lie had then slated the peculiar
difficulties which presirsiterl the appearance of Si.. Chem-
bet 1.111 to the Grand Duke of flarlio, said that he was
not allowed permission In come •s a wiriness fur the
Churn, though the witnesses on the other side were
inomneilt el to appear. In all this lie (the Lind Chan-
rellar) cuitid discover no impetuous, on the Govern-
must of the eusutry. The Counsel fur leer Majesty had
stated the use with restoct to General Pon° in • very
creditable manner. Melted not given the same reasons for
his &busier: as in the ether ease, bet had stated 'coy eserdielly
that it was the General's reluctance to gait his uniform, ac-
cords,' to the orders given hits, that messaged his attend-
ance. Indeed, if any complaint of improper iissinaations
could he Made against the Learned Counsel, he wank' be
far more disposed to make it to reference to that part of
his observations sheet be said nothing at •!1-rawhere the
Learned Counsel had said that nut only the phrielana, but
that even the ?Greyers were kept away, wary bud' wed
judge why."—(Lumokler)
The Counsel wen them directed to gone with their case.
James Le Mama ban than arms an aminsheed 'by Mr

Diuguau.

I ens clerk to Mr. Visaed, Attorney to her Modesty the
Queen. I wee Nast on behalf of the Wires its Cerierehn; 1
kft Eagtsild oat the IN September, slid arrived at C.arlernhe
14th; I kW a knee intrusted to my keeping, addressed by
ber rajah to Boson .--.—, Chenoberlesn tit she Glartl
Duke of Sadao. I Wormed the Beres that hie ettlei4.

goeslke rmrdred by kr ilajeity es a .k...s ill &le
preerrear. 1 lest .1 all saw he. os the 17th atopiesaliery
I"med the. made ikeswa Tay mematre. I took bus delimiting,
~ettas la ramble C1011156t1 (i.e her Majesty le remise him nt
.410 e bar of lbw House we the 20th Septrarlree. The first
time I sw the Chamberlain waives the 17th of September,
or the road between Outwork* amt Haden. I rimed
the Mimi of my iturney to bine, *hie). wag. 1p Malec*
I. to iptivei here me the part of her Haletty. It 'mot
as the 10th that I took Idi latetimairww. • M. had no oir.
puriUNily or CsUblUlijue lir InimUlcli of his joriraal ; he
did eamealt kis Mums& The Grum! gledie woe alseent
and retorts:4 410 she list. The Hamm impressed his willing.
Milo to c..me at the time he made him deposition. 3.h.
flaws stated+, mer That the condition an which he trout,'
undertake to attead was that of gaming the Itake'a rwro.l2-
soot. After lb. poke had retained, the rume isd„,entril
me that he had been refused ownaisktun. lbw word • ',t r.'.
.• I, 'lave bed *ewe fur 100.—stow yaks .411 sot w w,w
to ea."
The Attorney-fitment! interpoerd. He a e do't
Ilse eon iwir between the twees• and the mratd„
at au, rate, be Nu evidence for At use, If 'Wei re saw
• eollrterat sorports 'oath which that convention/re a• Cow
nect..l, of corm. he would not pre vela ils beitig tree let;,,
that pls. pose.___ _ cf.

floe
bid Chatieetor was of opinion float the caniveraatitin
was admiasitile se evidence of the plat which Ind been
off. red by the Queen's 'Conned at 10 the hue drawn ul
ILO
attendance of the Qiieen's witnesses.
The examination was resumed.
The Burma had seated to nee that he enjoyed his Bin.._
ve. inn ratanu through the kinslsseis• of Liss Britannic Me.
jolly, but that would Not prey's.* ha aitenianee, sr be fe t
satisfied that biaMsjesiy would and Mink ill of bins foe coming
saver on swell as °cantons. The witness stated, that he inu c
another applb atom to the Baron to make his depontion,
and he sheltered it. He wires siesta any other frame for
refusing to erns., or 11.0 make his akpmillion thee the ward °t-
itle Duke's peimission. 1 saw a person of the name of
Mandeville at. Clrlsrulte. He was nut present *beta
I asked she Boron to make hie deposition. I did nut corn.
muiticale to haw dust I was in ettenrlmee Shire in, behalf
of the Queers. I retained the Wry In free y.. 21.1.4” OM,
tier 31 to London. Ssesr.l had arrived ai Carlsentie on 1.,
half of tier Maj....ly. 1 mu smite it ado I.un ; I Loom him.
1 1. fi Lund.... on the Isl Sep temher aunt ar.ived at Cif
• tithe on Ile 14th Sepirmilwr. If I hail 'polled fur lb, a,isi-
•nte of o..veroment on the mono sit of rny tI tit" to Sergi!.
Hie allivid•lsCr of wiliacilare, It mass be twelve days (mum
tilts berme any one of thin eonld arrive.
• Itizoneirreff by Lord Grantham.
The co .Sou Mistiest air ihe Bates was eitrt;ed
on partly is French, partly in Encli.h.
Anthony Butler St Liter morn.
I had the 10)411.11r 10 strife her 31,jesiy as Chamberlain.
continued in ihnt office eleven years, from ISOS to r
1819. I went sia fir an Brunswick with her Majesty in
1811. Her :Majesty disported with my atiericlan. e is. the
rest of bee how oil aromat of my ill Yu.le of health and my
family. Her Majesty am. gUO,I rnooglm to i“y that she .IJ.I
nut require sny attendance further il. til 8111.111VICk•
NMI. Mild to lie going abroad to Irarif 1.111./ (j• rtunliT and
hely. Is Will an summed before we I.tt Eweird, mid
mrorlii•gly I quilted li,r Majeloy'a suite at Bruns-
wick nu account of my health. *he was good e tttttt tl.
to say I might retool, as auim as 1 choke. I, te..
cuuree of 1.40 year (1819' I received a rononntneati.ii.
number Majesty. 11 war in the iiirmili of Judy or August.
She staled that she"isiould be here in Enz,laml lit the
of September. In consequence of that communicetion
made p.eperatiuns for meeting the Quiets at !lover. 'flo.
stale of ray health has made it imposisib:e fi,r toe to sittei.
Len Mejsmiy since 1414 lis
-- - - - -are -men ildiged by my ill oho.;
of health to go into Devonshire, *bete I have r. aided hrr
five years past. lam fens rally continrd to the house durini
the stater mouths by my health. I antneil.-ate!y tin the retro is
of the Quern I paid my respects to her Majesty. I repot_
Oersted to her that the mate of my health mode my attendance
of nu use to her its the winter. 1 rrquestet her MajestY.
therefore, to receive nay resignation, to which she graciously
amented.

The Earl of Guilford was nett called. The oath was ad-
miutstered to Ms Lordship by she Lord Choorefitertwillpi.
retied the Concoct to examine his Lordship as he IRMO its
his place.
Hi. Lori!Air recollected having men the Queen at Naples.
Ile •rrivad at Naples after the Queen; it was in the he.
ginning of 1815, shout the moat', of Ma.ch. Hr found lo
She suite of she Qrsee• the Hot.. Xeppel Craven. S.r
Veil, and Dr. Honied, who was acstn= as her 81.7•1c""-
He recollected seeing a permit of the some of 8. resort al.o.
As far as he tindendood Reigami's sithateni was, that of a
coniier. To the best of Ms recollection, hi. Lordship re.
mooed three days at Naples. lastly Charlotte Lindsay we.
wish him at Naples; she travelled with him from Nite
to Naples. The neat place at which his Lordship saw
her Majesty was at Rome. It was at the ItiOialere lit a
very few days. Her Majesty semaine.l at Rome not
more than two to thlee days. Ili. Lordship dint .1
sob the Quest. He did nit venienther 41,01ug a.ii.
her Majesty at Rome, but he well reinember...l
with her at Naples--there was a considerable pet}.
He dot not scrolled particularly wliii was preseid. Th. to
were a great unsay F.aglish present. lie could nut 'wealth( t
if ihi re were any of the Neapold 411 Nobility Lady Claar•
losse Liodsay was there—so was Mrs. Calverley. Alter leer-
ing Rome, bus Loidship .again met her Maj,ty et C,vat
Veerbia. HC Lett ved that the Queen en,b.rke I there for
Genoa. Iler Majesty staid there live or sit Bats. 11,s
Lordship and Lady Charlotte Lindsay 'formed part of her
Majesty's society; they lived iu the sane boas,: with e
Majesty, %mil dined with lien reedy 41. y. 'roe !dodos.,
d'Ouste, the Master oaf the Homer, and I.mily, were 40,0
priaeol. There were other. whom hi. Lordship dot
not recollect. The p somas bi fore Haim d by bi. Lon'-
ship were out in her *elite at she. time. 1) clot 11.. i
land bad remained ; Mrs. Falronet oat tide. Tin.
lady had two daughters with her, one of them was finer is
years of age; Mrs. F. was either an Eoglishivamasi or ao
American ; she was the it. of a most respeciab'e banker at
Naples; her husband sass in a erinsiderable line of buriosa,..
As fir as meresitile people could lie admitted to an
with the Nobility, she was ',hided by p•raons of the ht.:
rank in Naples. He could not say if slip was also visited by
Ilse Combats Nobility, be was at Naples so short a tins... He
believed that Mrs F. bad two daughter. mai ried ; one to au
American gentleman alba- name of !Ifiddletou, another to a
Swim banker, named Telly Portallis. These sera not the
same daughters who attended Mrs. F. at Cirita Veceloa.
The unmarried daughters dined at she table. Her Neje...
embarked on board the Clorinde. Hi. Lordship and I.ailr
Charlotte Lindsay embarked wish her, so did Mrs. F. inia
her two &mends, so did Dr. Holland. His Lordship mot
Lady C. Lisulmy diseenoarked at Le:horii. After this In.
Lordship did not see her Majesty till Nov. robe, 1815 at the
Villa IV lilt,. Helloes saw her Majesty on the Lake of Como,
Lady C. Lindsay was Shen iu England. He dined with h,
Majesty at the Villa d'Late ; lies gami ea, at the table ;
never saw intli sit at table before. He went away that es,
hag, slept at the town of Como, and went In Mitau on 11

Saiiirday Irollairiug. lie dialed with hrr Nlajeaty again
again as Milan. He did hut rerollret having haii say intr..
town tif *1;941v/wide her 11114.1,1 y ; h•a ;titration was so is.
wel, awl he had no wish lo delay. Hr domed at Mslaa
iuvituiun of the Clarea ; Bertinii timed there alw. Ha
had owl not seen Ow timers sauce.

The Chancellor begged paribn for not having ia•
formed their Lordships that the proper form of reaminiag 4
Pete was for the COSICSINI to Met the gitestioas through the
Woiti•uirk. That form had hero tisaany dispraised with. Le
ought to have asked their Lordships if they auw those to
dispeute ales that roma ?

Tlte Attorney-Gemini was infuriated float their Lordships
would permit kin. no pet his questions directly lutist Noble
Earl.

*Earl of Guilford erea.eresisedbf the A ttorseT.Geeerel.
Ilia Lordship had seen Bergamo wait at table et Civita
Vecchia. lie did set recullen Bcrßrmi waitiew et tahhe a'
Naples, woe board the Cforiodo He could set oloodiblim
memory, hot be did not recollect that it woo en. lade
Marietta Lied's, held the atteetioe of Lady of the Bed-
chamber to her itapPly, and footed it is tie begittaiog
May, 1117. Thiseith Lady Ch.iulte took Oda skaatitia.
as did oat remasie is it. after quintal the Qom, at -Lec-
her*. Than was ether Ladies 'at the Ma WSW, Ha

. .
awl • "nee. P. 1. OH lime r 4. lie is
1 •
i. •
most eh& . 0 f • Armhole
- inve •• r
_..i.1.
rem, r* ' inen d 1 NM , doe rather ,
felting ''' Nike f 3 4Vili , iron, Or wee le-101? If *Mb were will
it were. what were they the. otning? Wu the principle of ! chilly Mr. Hemel
ineepseitetion a-seised to either sex? He did eel gay diet I mere stseterinl ei

the Ce OW ESA. .M• seems,* Wit :doll
eh* did wet &peak 111* poloist As spoke tolerably
holies; she %sod a MHO of the aceest.of
bet one ono as tear soliay well-bired periwig of tlf
campy. He saw Ow Queen's grooods. He had a
Greek servant. Her atsjorty sheered else a part of the
Woods %melt, "owill thew heel me her donkey, jetekosit-..
(A.tis,„o)—te ride' over the rest. He messed the doe.
key oplmvite the door, wheel they omitted she olive-garden.
lie ea.. bee Majesty afterwards a►out the round. He dill
not fir-0114.cl aerinit his strew conversing with her; it
might have bees as; hut he did not remember it. He had
never slated that he raw he► walking round tbe grounds wish
h.. Greek at; be had Never stated that he had men his
arreaut in couverassinir with bee Majesty; he did not recol-
lect any thing of the kilo,. His servant might have hem
about the grounds, but he did sot recollect having recto tbe
garret teatime with him. Hr did mot recollect seeing hisser.
raid ab tot the .►mods. He bad neve► on wrigesreasion stated
In: tied seen hi. nt with the Chimes in the grotto,
.1 near lee griittb. Had the circumstance really happened,
it venial I 1114) have struck him, but he did mut
lest ally inch thisig. IS might have happeored. I, was hardly
r5)4,1414te lbat he enal.l have staled any such thing. To She
boat rd. his•reeollectiun he had never witsseased any thing
1.1:r to.
your l.urd►bip heel. arewsturned to riding at that
time? la. 9 1.01 a gr. at rider, bet I could ride well eousigh
to role 4.10151.. y r..oad the groands.—(A
was )4)ur 10rd,.h.p.44 iiinvosil with you al the trove, or
were you ',dhow! your servant? He went wills me In the
honer, but I do mot remember whether be was in the
ground+.
How lung d.J your servant muslin with your Lorthhipl
Until 1817—he I. f. me at Venice in 1817.
Previnita to Lady Charlotte Lindsay quitting She service
of the Prime. st., had your Lordship say conversation wish
ace MI the sob) •rt? N.. conversation; but Lady Charlotte
Lindray is ay sister, sad I cnrresponded with her.
Dni you advise Inc In resign that 01111111410 I did.
Hy Mr. T,lssl 111 —Does your Lordship recollect thesis.. of
the gartlttil I have no ',articular recollection of the site of
it; but that it wi.ri a large gooddneed garden.
Ant )9111. 1.011410,h1p remember how massy acres it con.
tabled I do out reeolleet how many acre■.
At different time. whim you hive Arco the Qnren and
Borgatut together, have you ever observed any impropriety
I.e.twcen iltem

7 hr At!oro.,.G, ureal objected to Ibis gisestion, as it did
Mtt nri qe 0..! of the et 010-rzogulnottoto.

By EMI Gut, your Lordship, tit any lime when her
Roy il soil Bergams were together, observe any its,.
roper Groh, toy between them i Nu; certainly not.
Your L....T..611'p lit. said, that in the language of the
Countess plait you observed something of tine arcesit of
'Antibody t Yes, I iliongbi so; hot it was nothing particu•
lath, iemat ;able, she spoke perfactly good halloo.
Vt bat 05.e.amiiits dad your Lordship make of her man.
net. I obseute.l nothing remarkable, she appeared per-
t,eUy inulreinive leer In salitT., perfectly modest.
bud you .observe any thiug which you 'timid denominate
'micro: NO, nail as allitllat.

Some lissing bees made o■ ibis last question
unit mum..

Mr. H tit :ban] a " Put down,' nothing vulgar at all'"
—tenet nt " An, ..!")
then spina asked—Dill your Lordship observe
an!, ilinu; punctilio iu her manners' Ido sot /emends:lr
Mt) •irerk me as vulgar ; she was very affable,
trot *Try iniol-st, sae nu imp 'na was made on my mind
of my I.avmg o,laVetsed with a vulgar woman.
nisl poor Ltorebbili ob b ny difference between the
Ins 1111 l t,f the C te,s Ohl anti iliuse of any other Italian
woman' Nuthin,t pertictilsr; I did not think her remark.
tally refined, lust I did not observe any great difference.
The FAO of Liverpool—To follow this up, I ask of the
Noble Lunt, eltether (ruin what he olnerved of the mover.
ration and manners of the Countess olshi, she appeared so
'n a woman ul voted education, or of low condition I
cannot form any precise opinion on that point. I had wily
short converssitsoms with her at dinner, which would nut en.
able me to firm any opinion of her education.
Iluw of.tn di i you see the Contains Old, Twice, when
I culled. dpoll her Majesty—once at the villa ifEate, and
4.1.C4: at Milan.

Doi you at that lime kno• that she was the sister of Ber-
gem I think I bad !smut it before.

Lurd E.,lll..c—You ..y that you had but Wile conversa-
tiun wuh tier, but to that little there was aulhing vulgar?
Yr*.

By Lord landerdile—When you dined with tier Ropil
Bixlitieili where did you pit ? Oa uue ►ide of her, un fur
Nth..

Anti where did Iltrgasi ail at that time On the other
eit!€ of her.

DIJ rote rrceive any particuhu attention from her Royal
fil:horo,? Such attention as is usual on such occiummt.

I)d yon olorrvr nay marked allegation of brr lioyal
Movies. to B•rgami? No pariieular nitration, swiloug
th a,k]ble.

1111;rs dad the Counters Oldi sit Or. the oth►r rids of
1111.

What other periwig were at the Sable ? Wm. Au.tin,
iloornm, and n stirdical geutlemiin.
By Lord Krii)on—What sized boat was it in which the
Nviiic (mid rnw Ole Princess and Bergaini Dip-tiler! II
ma• a cons!l Folt.

j):,1 the Noble Lord obseive the host move in any parti-
cular wsy )--(.4 lanqk ) I olviervill nu particular motion,
lint soalt as w...icaw.ed by rowing.
What di•tance was the boat from the shore when the
Nol,lc 1..1 N.", it I cannot exactly say.
Nan it :11‘vpv% an near that he could see the peewits who
wen rn it I did Ma see it from the shore, boat from
comfit, front whorb I wa, its at the time, on the Locke.
Whitt rk, vt•v the boat miser, was Lkrgarni rowing ?
"Ji, 5, cm ism 'y.
I:v It,thor.it—Did her Royal Highness introduce
to ). U. ? No; nor 11.1csitenaut liuwoktut.
Dits it,tr..dort the Consults. Oldi ?
A. the Mintrf rerealls. ? No.

th.. E‘ri ••f Darlingtun—What was the Itepuriment of
re, .4amt her Euyal Highness Nothing parlicular
t! r..t- very it .•$0

. .
Were the g.1.1,,•(!.r.t0 *poke of, the garden adjoining the
Villa 0.17,t,, ce .eete they the olive trrou4th.! The gas -
Orli a- the Villa dliste, and the olive ground.' were

tr vued.

yon think ibere wag more ,ban an 'cry of ground
I",s ; I r.i.ol.lid (Wilk consiiteints,y more.
Linitssy leave
the servise. of 11,1 IG•v:+1 highness of her own accord, ur
iv.% she hrr own geeurJ.

1)111 you advise hrr ft, kart., mud fu► algal reason

Some übj+rtinn iit iu mole to the que.titot.—

Th• Caa of Liverpool nbaeived, ass( it were much to be
w.b..1 11. I the quest pill hbuul.l he restrained within
t s b 401111.14 or .4n. 61:0 rubs Of eviil.asee. But if the quip.
11061 were n legal one, it might be put in any sine of the
e,Niitintnpn, abellur in rbuf, or in clam-examination, ur
lr examination.

'lll., 1,1 wpi.s or Lati.eluwit observed, that as their Lord.
ahtps at Ihr3c a• toren-trio judge% in Ibis case, it certainly
rnneh I„ be 0...1 that tiny .1 Id act as a single
judle Would is any oil.. raw, by not pti Untie any question
61111 ass illegal, and by not pnitrug a ipitation at an inspro-
ier ..age of the woes, ding.
i3r Lord Chancellor made some r.b..ervatiuns in a very
tun love. the purport of *ht.+ we atiderstboil to be, that, in
'll,* opt, um, the question ought nut to ire pat. Is was se-
• ',tint; ly
Hy Lord Eilershorrrgh—Did your Lordship make any
pal ticolar obser•atiutoi of the maims., of liergam.? Only
the t 1.- appeared to be very unobtrusive, and by so WON*
tor wn,!, I wwe a.ke.l betuie, d I raw Beresmi in the
etottuda. Upon (nrtlir.r recollecth ... 1 think triad, and that
• Ine Met lu is,, 110381 Highness, and Lady
Charlotte. Loirlsay.
yus ever conversed with Berganti alone? The only
tone 1 nit, cast ieutte with Brtgatoi was in the gallery, whet.
Atwell me the pictures, awl Was very attentive.
num the rippial unities which yen had of ohs, rving Der-
did you turn) Nay upirioa of hip being then in a Impe-
1-Or Mill/dine is that which be formerly filled No, it did
atut strike me that he was.
Lord Gluttond that sot down.