The National Register.
London, England, 1823-05-05 00:00:00

F. NATIONAL REGIS.

oa sa anonymous letter sent to the Board. The petitioner bad
belonged to the Kensington divieion. After heels' p led
the petition, he should move for ihloirpondeisce on the
subject ; and be shoold.aftervvaide an inquiry into the
lease. x • '
IP Petition read,- after some ahser•atious fron2 Sir Still"
Creepigny.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, the snspension of Mr. White bad
not token place on anonymous complaint—it bed been fully
inquired into ; and it was evident that such length of time was
was calculated to occasion interest in his favour. mid eiensilee.
quest inquiry. The complaint was respecting the polkilleel
not having returned for windows said to be closed, whirls men-
duct the Board declared to be of dangerons precedena
Alr. HUM IS denied that the conduct had beewengslleeltiatte
Mr. T. WILSON thought that Mr. White liabe's Medi,
rued, and that feather enquiry night to take placterlPetities
ordered to be printed.
Mr. CUIIWEN presented a petition from Capt. Manby for
remuneration fur heves:iv/Lees—for his invention to preserve We
lives of seamen. Petition ordered to be printed.
Tilt aICENT NIGOCIATions.—Mr. ACDONALD brought
forward his motion on the subject of the papers recently sub.
milled to Parliament. lie trusted that the papers bad foes)
their way into the bends of almost all his Majesty's subjects,
sad that they would have given the people fresh cause to diet
with redoubled tness to the advantages that remained*,
them. He doubted not that they bad been read with gamed
disgust ; but he deemed it right to bring them before the lions*,
to ascertain whether teei possessed, or not, that situation is
Europe which they imagined they possessed. If they had not
—Why It might he said now, as it had been ()horsed early I.
the F.-reach Revolution, that the allies were more be ha feared
than the enemy—because they were net against the eastern"
of liberty, they were against liberty itself. Great streggles
were made alter MS, and eventually Buonaparte was hd.sll,
sulidued; but he wished that Engleud bad left the Prase! men
completely to themselves—bad not aided ialsgelmuillUog
upon them at the point of the bayonet. This adellifielloot had
not long taken place when France contemplated and prepared
for attacks on the regenerated constitution of Spain—that con-
stitution which the Emperor Alexander hid christened " Geri
tiniate.". In 1820, however, that autocrat bad some aow
lights on that constitution, and God preserve this country from
those northern lights. (Hear! reel a laugh.) Now. the dis-
seations in Spain were si oken of--dissentious that had been
aotively (untested by France; but, did they forget that their
own revolution of 1668 wax not consolidated whitest two civil
wars. (Hear, hear, hear!) There might he two parties in
Spain. but on one aide the commeesial and enlightened classes,
science, were seen ; against the constitution there were the
higgotted nobility, and some of the lower orders and the pea-
santry. lie complained against our government that it had
absolutely done nothing ; nut that we had not been precipitated
into a war, but that the ministers bad absolutely done nothing
to maintain the ammeter and dignity of the country. The
result of the negotiations had exposed this country to the ridi-
cule of the world. Our gerernsuent appeared to have knows
nothing of what wee passing between France and Spaia. and
France end Russia. How had such things happened? The
correspondence had evicted him greatly. When the threat-
ened attack ow Spain wan mentioned by the Duke of Welling-
tee, Mr. Canning contented himself with saying Ned England
" would be no party to it, conic wbat might I " Why bad not
that minister deprecated the attack a why bad he not condemn-
ed it as unjust and impolitic., and in tiolation of all inteutaticrual
law ? So long as the Monarchs of the earth combined against
all those rights and privileges that were dear to was, they
must be content to hear, at least for a little while longer, in
the House of Committee, that they were tyrants. (Cheer.) He
complained of the instructions given to the Doke of Wellington.
Had he had at the Calves* one tythe of what be was allowed
to have in the field, the present massacre in Spain on the part
Prance would not be going on. He contended, that the hypo
thetical questions were such as never had been poi to any
country—to us, since England wee England. Lord Burleigh
would have done more than ' Jake his head at it ;' tho' be had
not beard that the Duke of W. ever shook his head at them.
—The lion. gent. then censured the conduct of Chateanbriand
during the negotiation, highly praised that of Spain, which ex
Whited, he said. a consistent dignity, unequalled in the recent.
unequalled. perhaps, in the ancient, history of nations. He re •
probated the unresenting notice taken of the speech of the Xing
of Frame and maintained, that if this country had menaced
war upon France, instead of pursuing the system of cold neu-
trality, to which ministers were now determined to adhere,
there would be no ground for discussion on this question.—
With whatever feelings of abhorrence lie might regard the con-
duct of the French ministers to Portugal, in the course of the
negotiations, be must admit that they bad spoke■ out to the
ministers of this country., who were thus supplied with the
means of guarding against the base attack upon the liberties of
the Spanish nation. However others might feel on the question,
he was convinced that the great monarchical iviSuence of the
Cortinent would, in the event of aggrandisement, by the sub-
jugation of Spain, direct itself against the liberties of tinge:laud
Island. Unexpected consequences often arose from the desigos
of individu els. What might be the jaunt' of this contest, which
was to decide whether Europe was to bezaerne one vast military
despotism or not, be meld not tell ; but it might be. that what
had been aimed at by a Buonaparte would be accomplished by
a Bourbon in his dotage. He concluded by calling epos the
Muse to declare to his Majesty that his ministers had not acted
in conformity with the principles of the british constitution.
and with the dignity of the crown ; and moved an address,,
stating die regret of the House at the failure of the negotiation,
declaring that that failure arose from the conduct of ministers,
in not making a solemn protest against the system pursued by
France, acc.---(Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. WORTLEY rose to move an amendment. Ile did
sot dispute the propriety of the censers open the conduct of
foreign 'ewers, and particularly woe that of Frame,. which
I had for three years been. certainly attempting to shut the door
'opium eivil liberty all over the world. Ile considered that
crendact incomprehensible, fall of folly, and likely to lee attended
pith complete failure.—But be geoid not agree in condemning
the part ministers had, taken in the proceedings to maintain
pence. He disapproved of therpractice of goading foreign go-
vernments, of using language calculated to provoke, and not
conciliate • and moved au amendment " that the Mouse con-
marred with Lis Majesty with respect to the interference of this,
with the national regulations of other kingdoms—that they re. I
gretted that the eodearuers to establish peace had proved
abortive ; and that they were at all times ready to support his
Majesty in vindinating the dignity of the crown.'
Mr. T. WILSON, in seconding the amendment, said, that
be had aseertaued beyond a doubt, that a large number of his
constituents concurred io the feeling to reconinmed to hlioieters
to adhere to the principles of strict and honest neutrality which
they had commenced, and by which they bed exhibited evident
consistency and fairness of eisartuder.—(A 1000, sod cries of
lieu) Ile tall: *melt that not a einght segment had bees

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used therm—lf we threw away the scabbard we would be
drawn into diSculty. He &Nisei tale the part of the French
Cover cut—os the contrary, so one viewed with more vi-
ridian be did the conduct nee splint Spain—nen-
a ' att,ar voltitig to the of every Enlister's.
Cheers. Vilukere, howevlit• be by arbiters, and
tel
e ttaliolis which were our allies, and might be so agile,
should net he etigenatieed, as they had been, by scatterers,
who, in doing so, had let down the dignity of debate. In that
house such personalities should be avoided. (A Inogh, and
cries of hear I) The line of strict neutrality was that which
England should, in his mind, pursue ; as, in cafe England
should be smiled, she ought to have her energies at her orter-
mond.
Mr. HORHOUSE said, that he tilt as he ought to feel. and
as every Englishman ought to feel, the pons failure and Awe,
lions to which En„land hie been reduced by the Minister end
his colleagues te the course of those negociatione (cheers);
sad he could not but congratulate the House that in the
speeches which they had jail lend upon the amendment, their
ears were root tainted by such language as had been used in
another place, end in which ell the prieelphrt of liberty were
treated ere* with more contempt and derision thee by The
Continental Despots shennelvee.—(Sheers)—lt bad tees said
that Englsod ought not to dare to use ever the language of re-
monstrance. It was hooottrable is the gentlemen wire bad
tritely of burin, to speak out as they had done upon this as.
exampled iodatee of atrocity and injustice,—(Cheera.)--The
hoe. member for the City bad, however. objected. strangely
enough, to the lengea,e of indignation width bad been uttered
!by his hon. Mend (Burdett) on the 'fernier allusions to this
qeestine. He mast have taken a very unfair measure of the
strength of the English Inaptly woes be considered that the
word .. estimation," which he had jest used. was not calculated
to convey the feeling of the hoe. baroael sad the house.—
(Hear, hear, and a laugh.)—No sirnagee sentimeat was re-
quired, and if Farb language had been followed op, ea it ought,
by the vote of the lien. member fee the sity.nothieg could more
truly represent the the feelings df the majority of the ciliate*
' of London.—(Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. BANK ES was is favour of the amendment. He eon-
sidered ministers as having acted wisely. and for the good of
the country. in adopting a system of Destrality.
Mr. BARING was decidedly favourable to peace ea the
member for Corfe Castle, and therefore it was that lie bad to
erasure the coaduet of ministers.—lle theogitf the bosoar of
the 000ntry bad been compromised in the late aegoeiatioes, and
, by the wart of energy displayed by his Majesty's government
the chanee of the country being forced iota a war bad been
greatly increased. Our government ought to have said to
Prussia sad Russia, you interfered with Poland , and to Anstria,
you intermeddled with Naples, bat we cannot suffer you to.
interfere will, Strath.
Mr. P. MOORE moved that the debate be adjourned.
Mr. :NONCE seaonded the motion, and at twelve o'clock
the House adjourned..
TUESDAY, APRIL 29.
Mr. HUME presested a 'ethics from Aberdeen against the
duty en stone carried coastwaye.
'l'he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that it
was Ma intention to propose that such a duty be taken off.
Mr. ELLICE presented • petition from Ilsid„ewater against,
the duty on coals. He hoped this duty would also be repealed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, this was
a more important duty, as it produced nearly a million, while
that on atone was only about 23,0901.—He therefore could not
now return so favourable an answer.
Mr. 11U3IE moved for accounts of the correspondence. lac.
between Mr. George White, surveyor of taxes, and the board
of taxes, respecting Mr. White'sdistnission, h.c. Ordered.
AD/0111RNFD DEDATE.—THE Prat:ea.—Mr. CANNING
moved, that the order of the day for resumiug the adjourned
debate be read. It basin been read,
The SPEAKER stated the originalmotioa sod the amend-
ment.
Mr. W. WHITMORE then rose and expressed himself de-
cidedly against the atuemiluent. He did not metro to say that
the country ought to. have been involvedin war rashly, or that
threatening language should have been held without following
op such language ; but lie should support the address, because
belied in vain looked for that manly language which our minis-
ters ought to have adopted—for that protest which ought ~)
have at once been made against tlie atrocious infringement of
public law contemplated and sow perpetrated by France against
Spain. (Hear, hear.) England throughout had acted as the
ally of France, for in all the letters where Fame could rot
famish excuses, England appeared to be quite ready to assist
in such matters. lie then read various extracts from the papers
to illustrate such assertion. By such course our ministers hart
promoted tire views of France. He regretted the vote he had
given respecting Naples, as it now appeared that it was the
commencement of a system of attack oa liberty, wherever it.
might exist, beginning where liberty perhaps he in excess.—
lf the attack succeeded here, there was too much reason to
fear that such attacks might be carried further. Men who had
power were disposed to abuse it ; and as the Allies were se
anxious for aggrandisement, would they the lose opportunity t
Had they never beard of partition I—A manly and independent
expression of sentiment was required, and be trusted it would
be assumed by that House in agreeing to the address. That
address did not reqnire the country to be Involved in the war ;
at the same time he leered that eventually this country would
be obliged to take part in the contest,to side with the agg 4
against the aggressor.—(Hear.)--Ile was quite sure, that if it
were required to p her honour and oignity, the country
could sustain a war.
Mc. DIESER° WE (a sew member) 'sapported the mead-
meat, and praised Lord Londonderry's instructions, note, istc•
as doing honour to that noble lord's head and heart. We bad
(as the extracts which he read showed) protested easiest
foreign interference—we could do no more. That protest was
given io explicit terms.
Captain MAISERLY supported the address. He bad viewed
with sorrow and shame the papers ; they showed that but too
little attention had been paid to the dignity and character of
the country.—(Hear.—H• feared that while the ministers had
kept the country at pease, it had been brought nearer to war.
—The bon. gent. was convinced, that if the negoeiators se the
part cif Great Britain bad acted with firmness and zeal for the
Spanish cause, to which the attachment of ministers bad bees
SO strongly expteseed io that House, the Government of France
iloickextidiDefbeoanr:iearns vas:a:art:l7:s.
would have been aware of the danger of persisting in their phut
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itheitilvd. *aisles soul he believed that could who Imes
the 411114.-gliefi.) For his part, he rejoimed :4h after
having used all his endeavours for 40 years for the establish-
meet of peace, he itow saw ministers irsAute is maintaining it.
No 'hold& aot set either honestly or sossisteotly If he did net
approve of vie line of conduct they bad chosen en the occasion.,
asst hewing that opinion, he should support them with his cos
wojessious vole.--(Cheers from the usitisterial side.)
Mr. ROBERESON declared, thet the minatry, could not be
generally sheeted by war, although here tad there theativeai•
ewes might be felt, and as Ragland knew she had so Maid het
Spain on the continent, the necessary soppett would sot have
been withheld upon this occasions
Mr. WILLIAMS said, that after all that herd keen meld upon
this question, epee both aides of the Hesse, there was hat one
eonsentient feeling, as to the enterprise of the Preach against
the Spanish nation. Every man bad spoken in a tete befitting
the House ofGemtatuts. The violence and proligacy of the
French Government having bees admitted upon ail heads, the
conelusion must be, that a Amager tone of remoostramse in at-
tacking sack flagrant atrocity might have been expected. The
quests.** was pow, he believed, whether the feverish quiet,
whit's Ras called trangeillitys wee worth half a year's pin:lase
err sets The lion. gentleman then began to refer to the doer-
meets before the Hesse, to prove that the whole plea of the
uegociation was mistaken, and was jest the Colin* that was
most likely to fail where such a mai as the King of France was
party.
The CHANCELLOR *IA* EXCHEQUER, is an eloquent
speech defended the polities and justified the coolant adopted
by the late Lord Londonderry. The right hon. gentleman also
entered into an able defence of the late &rift:jabot's, sad gave
laid support to the amendment.
Sir J. MACINTOSH Wok a review of the whole course of
the aegociatioos in all their bearings. Notwithethedieg the
able and eloquent speech which the House had just heard, he
. Most declare that be was aot satisfied either with the toaditet
efthe right hon. secretary for foreign 'Fain, or the defame*
which had been made tor him. After taking a full review of the
whole segoeiatione, re coadasesid them as destreetive slikeof
the honour of this country sad thelibeirties of Europe.
Mr. PEEL, defended the *Gambia adopted by the Govere-
ming of this imontcy. He oonteaded that neither ear bosom
nor oar interest required that we should go to wet ; that France
did sot ask it s that Spain did sot require it, sad, above all,
that this country did not call for war. Ile coatendeds that the
toodaet Wetted by his right ham. friend on this oecaslois bad
gained bira that hest reward, the approval of his own oceseiesisea
sad that of his country.
Sir F. BURDEIT supported the motion for censure.
At half past one, there being • general cry for adjournment,
the debate was again adjourned till to-morrow.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL ie.
Lord CRANBOURNE moved that • copy of the report of
the committee on the game laws be sent to the House of Lords.
—Ordered.
Mr. S. RICE (for the lion. member for Westminster, Sir F.
Bartlett) moved that there be laid before the Hoese a list of
the gt'ild of inereltants of Dublin ; loopy of the Lord Mayor's
proclamation respecting the stelae of King William, and that
the town clerk of Dublia do attend the House os Friday
autiibla with the said docoments.--Ordered,
Mr. G. id fNN ET -- for leave to introdeee • bill 16 abo-

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nob the pesiehusent of whipping. He complained that this
punishment was neither exemplary nor reformatory •, it produced
no good ;it only degraded and brutalised. He did not possess
the roamed.; notion that no punishment was necessary ;—but
the means were in existence to punish in a way that would lie
useful—hard labour. Ile had been unable to find any instance
where whipping had been useful ; it was the last remains of the
erroneous system of our ancestors, and be trusted tbet they
should get rid of such blot. According to returns, 6000 per-
eons bad been flogged within the last six years ; but be hoped
that such a disgraceful and degrading mode of punishment
might be abolished. lie concluded with moving for leave to
bring in the bill.
Mr. CURW EN seconded She motion.
Ald. C. SMITH considered that the punishment of whipping
was not altogether so useless as had been imagined ; be had
known prisoners who would rather endure twelve months' Sas
prisonment than he exposed to the punishment of whipping.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL could not agree to this
sweeping abolition of the punishment of whipping altogether
if it were found objectionable in particular cases, they might
be urged, instead of proposing the total abolition.
Mr. nostiousg said, teat pm idling with whipping for
disobedience to jail regulations was illegal. Where inflicted,
it ought to result from the sentence era Qoart. lie was against
tie mode of punishment, as being altogether of a most degrading
tendency ; but decidedly that it ought to be regulated.
Mr. N. CALVERT did not deny that such punishment re-
quired modification, but he believed that the whipping of a
plough boy had somehimes saved him from the follow*.
Sir R. HERON observed. that the punishment art whipping
degraded the character, and maintained that it was eat requisite.
-Ale was an active magistrate in his own comity, and he bad
Dever known but one instance where Bogging was inflicted.
Mr. PEEL was against the motion. He thought the total
abolition of the punishment of whipping would he attended with
dangerous cousequences.
Dr. LUSH IN GTON supported the motion. Ile thought
that the punishment of flogging confirmed prisoners iu hardened
habits, rather than reformed them. He was disposed to be-
lieve further, that the whipping in public schools was tithed
to an extent highly mischievous. Public whipping SW dis-
gusting and repulsive to t e feelings of time people ; and if
whipping were allowed within prison walls. where was the gua-
rantee that it would not be harshly administered'
After some observations (fora Mr. H. Guroey, Mr. Alderman
Thompson, &n.
Mr. G. BENNET replied, lie was not surprised that be
was met by Attorneys-General and Secretaries of State, for such
persons :ad ever opposed the efforts to ameliorate the atrocious
criminal code. lie stood up fur the people of England against
the magi trate Baggers ; he was against subjecting the people
of Etigiand to torture ; and be knew, and they knew too, that
they could ow longer flog in public. To attempt it soldiers
would be required ; for the people of England would not suffer
them to whip a dog as magistrate loggers desired to punish
prisoners. Rut such was their desire for flogging, they would
slot allow him to bring io the hill for the consideration of the
'House and the country. lie was sure, though he might fail
wows that it would not be long before his bill triumphed, though
wiembers at this time of day had the face to stand up and de-
feed logging.
Stranger," wore then ordered to withdraw for ad' • 'on. The
numbers wee ,—for the motion 37—against it 70—majority 33.
Rua LL.—The report of the committee on the interme-
diate duty on beer bill WOW postponed to Monday next.
Mr. nERRIEs presented the committee's report of Irish
miscellaneous estimates.
AUJOI'MNI,D esTe.—Mr. WYNN mos eat the resumption
of the adjourned debate.

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Mr. W. WYNN then proceeded to defend the conduct of
ministers, is the whole coarse of the oegociations. It had,' be
said, been asserted that by adopting it• more dignified system'
Ragland would have everted the war from Speio ; but he was
ready to maintain that span every occasion it was stated to
France that interfereme with the internal affairs of the Spanish
Cation could net be justified. Ho most heartily concurred in
the cease's* expreased by the gentlemen en the opposite side
se/wallas by ministers on the cueduct of France. He was
ready to admit that the ioverion of Spain by Franco was such
provemetioa os would jestify Regimd in going to war with
the lathes mantry, provided that war could he proved to be
serviceable to the interests of England ; but hosneed leave it
to the emeasan moss of all who board him to decide trim the
fiteess dstsoh alternative, under existing circumstances. The
right loom gent. then adverted to the words " accursed manner-
Mical principle;' which bad eseaped au honourable gentleman
(Hobbes's) io the menus of the debate. It was, he said,
Noah to be regrettod, that one of the most admirable principles
of the British Constitution should have fallen ander the me-
demuation of any member of that Home.
Mr. HOSHOUSB said he Mid nut used the words as they
had been expounded by the tyrants of Europe.—(Hear.)
Mr. W. W YNN Rproseeded. Ile really tboe,;ht the hoe..
seeders* had gone farther Violent language, however, had'
bees mod, and imitated, coats not be supposed to be calcite
toted to procure peace%
Mr. LEYSTSR strongly objeeted to the whole otindoot of
the gimenuiveat of France, woo bad actually mookot at the
denim/diem and aathority of this country. The Medea MA
boldly mid moldy proclaimed the infamy and atrocity of mob
aoudad, altheegh in mother place it had bees defoadmis cod
ere* attempted'to le justified. Of the noble perms who bad
dots stood u,v in the face of the nation to justify the meet re-
'Mein principles, be most say, io the Imegaage of the poet—
' Who would not laugh that oath a num eoet4 bet
trlia world nut weep that the greet Dale was bet '(-.4A Nigh.)
Did wet a deem* of each oppressive practices argue the want
of mosmee sense sad common haniseity? With respect to the
negociations upon the part of thicoesiosy, he considered them
as nothing more or less thins •-infperduity of oomploisairoe,
proceeding from a laudable intention of preventing bossilitiem
bet actually calculated to redace them.—(Hear, Mae I )
Mr. W. WILLIAMS declared. that be could nit saesed-
edriously vote on either side. These was a enure* which, in
his opinion the House ought to adopt on so -important as
occasion. All party feeling ought to *ease, and Parliament
should speak to Prance Ike strong language of remonstrance.
France ha acteowledged principles which might be con-
sidered last mum of wee, if war could be thought justifiable
at all in the present teondition of things. It might net then be
diMoult to reconcile the Home. They might join in an address,
establishing a prietiple which might tend to restore peace to
Europe, by solemnly disapproving of the encroachments upon
the Spent d& nation.--(llear, bear.)
Lod PALMERSTON, in defending the eenduct of minis-
ters, said, that to menace and not to perform, would he the
'conduct of a coward and a bully. All that could be dime had
been done to prevail upon trance to change her fatal resolu-
tion. These gentlemen who opposed the negotiations had
agreed in describing the Sings sod Ministers of the contioeto
tal nations as wholly destitute of principle, and profligate in the
extreme. How then violet they think of remonstradug with
persons of such character—with those who were so ready to
trample upon r'l that should operate as • bond between ince ?
' Sir T. BLASE strongly censured the line of polity adopted
towards Spain. If he were e Spaniard, he should despise all
usatrality ; he should say / he whet is not for es is again, tea:
• 'Mr. CANNING in a speech, the delivery of which a-copied
steady two hours, defended and justified the line- of conduct
adopted by Miui
Mr. lIROUGHANI, at nearly equal length, expressed hie
execrations of the French aggression, arid urged that stronger
language eb- old have bees'esed by ear government in protest-
ing against it.
To abreviate these speeches so us to retain the spirit of those
is not possible—to ebreviate them without rebutting the spirit
would be worse thau useless,
Mr. MACDONALD, in reply, said he was ready to yield to
the suggestion of his hon. and learned friend, and to agree that
the amendment should stand in the form of en address, in the
place' of 'the original motion. (Cries of " No, so; divide,
&side."
Mi. CANNING—" After baring suffered for three long
sights, the constant, anremitting, unsparing, lectures of gerMe-
men opposite, for a too ready concession to the viewsef foreign
Powers, it is now incumbent open as to say, that we have to
profit by the lesson of everience which these gentlemen have
tilted as, io return for our former alleged facility of concesajon,
mad to declineassenting to the proposal fur withdrawing the
original motion. lam ready to admit with the hue. gentlemen
opposite, that their elution is wow waliareffirtile, and I am as-
satisfied with the amendment of which they partially complain'.
I repeat, however, that I cannot concur in the suggestion of
withdrawing the original motion." (Loud cheers how the mi-
nisterial beeches.)
The gallery was Mien clesrcd for a division, amid a great
noise, red cries of " Divide, divide."
After strangers' were excluded, the opposition, who bed de-
termined ant to divide, in order that there might go forth to
the world an 11111111illIOUS expression of ahhorrenc. of the con
dectef ilrance, rose in a body to leave the house. Some mi-
nisterial members below the bar, however, called for ad' • 'on,
is consequence of which the doors were closed,. and the Oppo. I
aim wet e compelled to remain in the house. This event was
hailed by the ministerial Members with loud and repeated
sheers. The srealla:e then pet the question on the original
motion, which was carried in the negative. He nest put the
question oo the amendment—die ministerial members cried
" Aye :" the Opposition reinsined *dint. '!'he SPEAlitit de
clued that the queetion was carried in the sail/native. Some
members on the Trersory bench, anaMas that a division should
take piece, called cut that the " Noes" had the majority. The
SPitaSsit was then compelled to divide : he ordered those who
Intended to vote fur the amendment to go into the lobby, and
those who meant to vote against it to remain in the house. The
Opposition proceeded into the lobby, together with the inibia•
kraal voters ; but a few members on both sides wet shut in
tbe home in pinsegnenee of the lobby bcing.too SMUII to con-
lids die united numbers. This caused an append/ice of a die i
sloe, when in fact there was none.
The numbers were announced to lie as follows—For the
amendment, 372—against it 20—siajority 352.
Upon the motion of Mr. Peet, the house at five o'clock ad-
journed to Friday.
FRIDAY, MAY 2.
Mr. Qusrme, the Yeoman Usher of the Black Roil, -sum-
moned the House to attend in the House of Peers to hear tb,
Royal Assent given, by Commission, to sundry bills. [See
Lords.]
The Dublin Cas Light Bill was read a second time.
Lord AL IMORP presented the Report of the Bedford and
Newport Psgnell Roads Dill,

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Mr. CARTWRIGHT moved as steadiest respecting the
distance of a turnpike. proposing that it should he at least
two" miles from a gin* spot.
The house divided on the aniendment.—Ayes 43—Noes 111.
Mr. BRIGHT wished to ask the Solicitor-General if he was
likely to brim; forward Ms cootetoplamd bill to amend the la-
solvent Debtors' Laws I
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL replied. that be bad vomited
several depatatioai to consult him on the subject ; that he bad
taken the mailer into comideration ; sod that in the cootie of
*few days he hoped ho should have the opportunity of Sting-
ing i. a bill o the subject.
,AVMs Pt g CoUltT REGIS ESTs;--- lir. C. CALVERT
moved the wowed reeding of the bill.
Sir J. YORKE sew so use in this bill. He could not dia•
rover that amendment was wanted. A debt might be re-
covered forts. ltd.; any debt of which the Court bad cog.
Mance, might be recovered at as espenee mot eseeediag Yi
per lieut. Ile concluded with moving as an amendment, th-t
It be read a second lien this day sin months.
Mr. DENISON supported the bill. It ought In he allowed
be go to a.Consioittee ; these were grievances that knoired cor-
neae°, and the fees ought to be revised. Some oliiees were
mere sinecures.
Mr. C. CALVERT also supported the dill. Ir. wit, Bailie
a most respectable man, kw Megan, CA einbiwg to do with •
the Corm bat to receive his loudest; allettessass t sad let it be
roc .•lected the, sock welts were draws far doing nothing.
where at the Southwark Ceert of Requests, the applicant party
had .0 pay Is. ltd. ; in the Tewer Handets Ike fee was only
ltd. Tb• bill ought to be allowed to go to a Committee.
,Sir,J. GRAHAM spoke of the respectability of the several
allesiniestd declared that they had vested Weenie is their
isliees--eiot reared interests derived from beans, bat founded
Si the faith of to tot of Parliament.
Mr. LAM BTON said, that the existing Cean was pledge-
ilve of much injury. The °Seers might lutes vested interests,
bat there was another party who hod a snug henna, tamely.
the pahlie, that justice should be admielitgeedle •
Mr. 11. SUMNER had liaised that Si bill oreald have ben
withdraw. for the peters,' Senn. •
Mr. G. BENNET supported the bilk The Ism men MM.
for retoveriag as net ammuitieg is Mena ; mad there were
gentlemen who could stand op is that Aeon mid resit the
correction of such abuses. The bill CUM resist the esietione
of the law.
The gallery was cleared fter a divides. The 'embers were
.—Ayes 114, Noes 2. Majority in favour of the second read-
lag 112.
Mr. BYNG presented a rditicia frees St. Mary's Islington.
against the London Sewers bill.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. CALCILAVT oensplained that his notice for the repeal of
the Leather Tax had been in his Munn fixed for lia,y 9, on
as order day, whereby the impresain woad be created that be
Wad little about the fate of the motion. The twittery was
site feet ; and as it had been so filled. be frosted that the Chan-
Seller of the Exchequer would in courtesy allow bra motion to
take precedence of the public orders ea the 9th
ADDRESs TO rats tdridelerv.—tlr. CANNING appeared at
the bar, with his Majesty's answer to the Address of the Henn
respecting the recent negotiation with France, &o. ' • his Ma-
jesty thanking bin Wilda Commons for their loyal and dutiful
address.
Mr. RUMBOLD presented a petition from Great Yarmouth.
against the ountinarice of the oral duties.—Orderml to be
gcloted.
Mn SCARLETT gave wedge that, cm Tuesday seal, be
shook bring forward a motion relative to the Creamy Palatine
of Lancaster.
Down Tati.Ls... Mr. ELLIS said, an asdsvit bad been
Niemand by Mr. Plunkett, that the Jury had been arranged
as to insure its being " packed" ; be wished to ask whether
there 'meld Le any objection to predate such allidesit..
!dr. PLUNK EU replied, that be should give ae itch affi-
davit—be did not conceive be was bond to du so. Ile re-
ceived informable from a pavan quarter, and he was saw lurked
to give up the name of his informer. He certainly should lake
care to provide the boo. hart. with the nines of those who were
likely to elucidate the facts. More he thou lit could not tie
regaired of him.
: Mr. BROWNLOW void, the mention of the affidavit had
product d mina& ratite impreation ;be 'ribbed to kn.- *Lather
it had a,jurat.
Mr. G. BENNET observed; that if it were a private docu-
ment, it had been made a publ.oll4o of.
Mr. PLUNKETT added, that the document had nothing of
a public character sheet it. It was imparted to him in his offi-
cial elierseter, and h • was not atliberty to divulge the tonne of
the pang.. As to the quation from the hon. member fur Ar•
magh, be could hardly tell whether it would be put serinely
or not: he did not feel it necessary to maim any further emu-
muniention on the subject of the all:limit.
Mr. GOU LAW EN pi ermined a peados Fro* Mr. Stevenson
and another, praying for the repeal of the cad ditties.
Mr. HUME said. great eatirifactiin would be gives to the
whole country b. the repeal ; soil it could be door, if the
Chancellor of t#,,Utebequrr would only rake as meal Friona his
Sinking Fund, and.heseemed half behind to agree to the re-
pest.
Coterie! BAGWELL said, the repeal of the coal duty weal
be of incalculable advantage 1.0 she labouring classes of Ire-
land.
Petition ordered to be printed.
Mr. GOULBUIIN pretreated * petitios, from the Coroners of
Cork, fur an increased remuneration.
Mr. HUME thought farther reanimation was unnecessary,
as when there were city vacanoiea there were plenty of coda-
dales.
titian Tatata.—Mr. RICE moved for various, other wit-
nesses to sacrist 011 the approaching enquiry.
Mr. PLUNK E ! T•tisid be had been accesed of acting in an
unprecedented manner. A Mr. Foley, an attorney, had perm dri
that a criminal information was Sled 'Kama a person ranted
Leaoh, for offering a heibe to a publie ofiteer, in. 1211. by Mi.
Saari, his tereeleetssor, after the grand jury hod twice igioarzil
the bills.
Motion agreed in and witnesses ordered.
Sosume uc Duni.tra—lootmer.— Late in the ',vain,
after eight o'clork, Sir F. BUttlYttli mimed that the order of
the day for the House to go into a cumintit, e to icquile
Sheriff Thorpe'e conduct be read: It was accordiegly reed.
The House then went into a committee. Sir R. Ileum (in the
absence of Mr. Brogden) took the chair.
The first witness called was the Clelk of due Crown. Dublin,
It was with considerable diScilty that he was h vat in the gal-
lery. The witness 114dCfV1r01 a lost t 1441111411011 by Variatii
members; a majority of his answers however were mandible
in the gallery. Si, far as we could collect them, they svetst to
show, that the Jury had, on this occasiou, beeu appointed 14
the usual way.
Mr. BROUGHAM pot several questions as to the neva!
(For CONtißlid(ioll Pt Fife 142.)