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THE NATIONAL ItTGISTER.

of the Executive, when the strength was to be need for the
safety of the State. No man could more condemn those
loutish societies, such as the Spesresins, nor reprobate more
their wild and chimerical ideas. A 14% mg said thus much, be
should. however, °Neel to the introduction of any measure
having for its object the inspention of the Habeas Corpus
Act.
Sir F. BURDETT was of opinion, that the long and multifa-
rious speech of the Noble Lord coasisted ofuxaggerations,,aud
was not warranted by list Report of the Committee; be there-
fore could not a„ sec with the Right-Hon. Cisentleman mho
spoke before him, and must raise his voice against the coca-
, Awes to Am :proposed by the Diable Lord. Theiloc trines were
the ronsequenee of false alarms, whisk lie (hi] not think
would hate again hemp raised in. he country. and alto, it at-
tributed to thediation the charge of being.* set of :thieves.
Could it be believed, that this lolicnlouasystem of dividing
the property would ue tolerated ? Could not the lemllords
arm, and defend their own property ? But this pamphlet of
the Spenceau.systum, which the Nut& Lord_seemed so fond
of, was not a system to be olatinud at. These was :is much
danger to be apprehended from the Ex-Spruces:it Society to
the Noble:Lord belonged, who hastier so long a time
been divitliwg the property of the land.. Wish respect to the
Conspirators, and Clubs, and Societies, were.nottliere laws
enuo4ll to pinkish these descriptions of
,persons ? —.was the It
betty of Use press unfettered ? And whete would the Nubie
'Lora stop In his measures? He had to propose so many, that
It waipossible he might *propose re-past lath) laws. He hod
she tionour of being Chatent so of the .Liatoptku Chili. the mo-
ther of all conspiracies; according to the Nob Lord, be
therefore had been guilty of trea-son in corresponding wills
different parts of the country. It was die Commons of En::-
laud who ought to complain of their property being sl.-
stroyed. But the mischief originated wills the Union 1:1M,
- and the Speuceans. Ire had the honour of being is member rat
the forsuer, which put girth one Address and exposed. Why,
the mischief Aidnot so originate, but with the -Noble Lord,
who had been charged with all kinds of conspiracies. How
stood the fact? The Noble Lord was (without using an ex-
pression of olfenee) an old offender. :Had the. House forgot
ten the career of the Noble Lard in Ireland ? The scenes of
blood which took place there, and which be now wished to
act again here? Why, the Noble Lord had been convicted
of hying a wholesale dealer In seats, and therefore could not
presume to boast of being immaculate. The Committee had
said, that few of the middle classes were engaged ; why, this
was testimony in favour of the majority (tithe people, who, it
the Report WaS any thing, had been tnaliglied. They were
not all Ministerial As einhei son the (;outiiii is e e some 10111 been
taken front the opposite side of the House; but the) were
old alarmists, and ready to fall in with she idea of danger,
when raised, HI laid been, by the evidence trti:eti haw e the
Committee.

Mr. W. ELLIOTT did, in his conscience, think there were
grounds for the st*pension of the Habeas Corpus Art.
Sirs. RossILLY contended, that the laws, as Airy now ex-
isted against treason, sedition, and libel, were sidlieieut for
the suppre.ssion of offence. mach as thaw lie liad mentioned.
The ATTOR •GEN RR A L would aay nothing uu the sub-
ject of the Hills propuied to be brought, until they should be
brought before the House. .

'Fie SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended, that there was at
present no law fur the prevention of titinultuus meetings, '
though there was a law by width they might he ptini.sdievi if.
they, after meeting, proceeded to rMt and sedition. Neither ;
was there any law :sesamet illegal assotaations shape ist
which they now existed. The law against vesisteing sailors
aim so/diets front their allegiance had expired last *year, and
it was now found necessary tu les ivo it.
Mr. I.lnotteux* rose to cuter lUS protest against some con-
cessions made to the Noble Lord opposite by his Rialit lion.
Friend (Ponsonhv). Upon the face of the• Report itself at ap-
peared, that the Committee did not know who and what were
the convirations t• but the Report only stated, that few or
none of the higher or middle classes of the people were en.
gaged in these treasonable practices. Was it union vague and
expre.ssions that they were to pay away the Cousti-:
Mimi by instalments; to nicht the Gagging Bills, and tO-
- the suspension of the Habeas C.orpus Act, and per-
haps orate trial by Jury? He ridiculed the idea of the Spen-
crans going to attack the Tower; and what was worse, to
obstruct or destroy the grert bridges, without one sapper and
iner among them. Such looseness in the Report showed a
degree of rashness in the Committee, which ma Ic him a little
cautious how he allowed hausell to be carried away to agree
in such measures as those proposed. But he meant by nu means
to deny that conspiracies of a dangerous character existed;
still their enquiry should be, whether the Constitution was out
now strong enough to ward oiled the danger that direstelid it.
He implored the House to pause before it put such power
!Mei the bands of Ministers, which might be converted ivy
them into party purposes, to get rid of the groat questions of
reform, economy, and retrenchment. He thought the Act
fur the security of the Regent's person should pass into a law,
as well as that of the seduction of the soldiers and sailors ;
but he would enter his protest against the Bill for suppress-
ing debating societies.
Lord COCHRANE considered every man who supported a ,
t of measures like these as an enemy to the constitution.
He considered it as most illegal, that the people of England
should be deprived of their liberties on the report of the
Committee. Formerly, whenever the Nlinisters of the Crown
wanted to deprive tl e people of their liberties, the House
used to deny the supplies to the Crown; and the people.
would now [lava no other means of redressing themselves, but
by a ithhuldim, from the tas gatherer the mood of Ilaeir
taxes.—Ortier,'Oruer!
The SpeA xen. It will be impossible for the House to en-
(litre .uelt language—holding out to the people that they
should resist the laws.

I.ortl CocuitsNa assured the House that nothing was
farther front lus thoughts than active resis.atwit; anti as for
passive resistairee iu the way lie had alluded to, it was daily
practised by the quietest people on earth—the Quakers,
Mr. C\]\lVt. tidicated the assertion of Air. Brougham,
that ail tites.e plots were invented, by Ministers to divide the
phalanx of opposition, and de feat them iu the ethirts they
were !Omit to inst:e t.. (hive Ministers front their seats. He
denied that tioverniumit was acquainted with the extent of
these combinations at the time that Pilrli,nlitnt was last
prorogued. Neither did he believe that the miliappy man,
who in the iti.tocenee and of Ms heart was matte the
puppet in a temporary I,qt urn, when he intended Indy to
malt a !-,Plash, ilioaineti that he was exciting to rebellion.
he &meet vs Welt assailed us was various; in some parrs,
assumed the shape of h religion ; in others of treason and s•'.
din at. These matures here no, meant against the absord
dm:trines of Vl,, pr. Out day, bitt against those who r.•ent
forts to put th •fli.elvtg into the first stage of operation. Ile
dill not attribute to these mill, that tiny would diva e the
land; but be did impute to thew, that if they cou' the)

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would take it. The Government asked not these measures
as a boon, but as a burden they were to bear for the peace
and secutiry of the community. They were enacting laws
,Ur the protection of the gteat and sound part of the people,
and of prinieltment for the few and (lie %irked. With the
dreadful examples of the French llevulation before our eyes,
he would not say we onelit to dread; hat it ,All 3 our duty to
guard against such circumstances. Time societies began
.by critsitig the moue of God from the heart; and into a mind
so void, it was not difficult to infuse hatred. towards its fel-
now in attires. After the polities of the day were discussed,
the relaxations of rebellion were in infidelity. Was it then
,toomugli, that the Government was armed ffiith.a piou.r of
checking such monstrous evils? Stich evils would warrant
(4)1.11111mm in proposing far severer .nium.sures to the Home
for its stoptiolii but flume, in their (minion, were .sufficient.
Lord Ara I.loltPrs would nut objectio.the Bills on tiv.. fist
roarlim7.

The iionge then divided- an the bringittg nlt of the Bill for
the •Sitpktresmion of Seditious Meetings-- For tho Bill Wu—
Against it t-1--:ll.ljority 176.
On onr return to the Gallery we found Lord rA STI.FRFAGII
ttwvidg Aim leave to .bring in it Bill for the were effeetnal
preservation of the tierson exercising the Sovereign .Ituthority.
Tlie Seditious AssvitiblitsdAill WAS then Jrottglit in, rood a
first lime', and ordered .fur a second reading on Wednesday.
The fill! fur extending the 27th of the King, for puniMiing
pertnns for seducing the astititury; also the lint fur ac_
euriug the person of his lite Prince itegent
were severally brought in, read it first, and ordered fora see
cond reading on WitiltictLiy.—Adjottrued.at twelve o'clock

TUF.,.1).1%, FEB. 2).
The Intsiness of the greatest public interest this -day was
that relating to the
LORDS OF VIE ADMIRALTY.
Sir M. W. Runes. moved an Addres• to the Regent, riv-
ing to re•luee the number of the Lords of the Aihioraltv ; but
he would it to his Royal Highness to say how far they
should be redo Howes er, he might just state, that in
his opinion they sle.alti he reduced to tier. There never was
a time when such a 'ethic-theta was no necessary as :it-prewar,
o hen the people were pigi!iouitia for reti enehment trout one
end of the country to the other. It might be objected to lois
.motion, that Ministers had adopted amore extensive scale of
retrenchment than was common ; but the abolition of sines
cures would not relieve the country from its distresses. Nei.
tiler couth we look for relief by a Be:dimwit) of she salaries of
the efficient servant:, of the Crown, who were in general paid
at an under rate. But it was by the destruction of useless,
places, which were only kept up and paid in order that those
who enjoyed Ilium mierht sepport the Government, that the
cry Of the people seal to be put a stop to. The Honourable
Baronet traced the origin of the office front the reign of
VIII., and thrunah the intermediate viols, down to
the year 1775. In the latter year they were but five; sitkee
that Cale, they .have g !retail), INT.. $.1%; but surely that
number .Was not now neceste . w hell in a state of peace.
De cow-Nth-I by moving an Address to the licgent, praying
that he would direct that the Lords of the Admiralty should
be reduced cuusisteatly with the essigeney est tlw public
sere ice.

1.91 .1 CM!. T.ER FAGIII thought the lion. Paronet might have
waited till till' tiepin t of the Finance l'ommattee had been
brought np, to vshorn these measure's of retresie •nt had
iscen refeered. At 11w same time he was free to ent.fess,thit
it was not Ids Latentiou to have.propossel :my redaction in the
nuntbcr (.1' the X.otils of tip Admiralty. The number of ships
lit commission in it Ili/te of peace were bat a very •amall part
of the duty of the Admiralty ; thr they had to intend to all
the minute details of the Dock yards; their Joules were then
ntomitly at the microns. He therel;.re contended, that, as a
einestiotrof limuoess, an reduction ought Su take plact . lie
inaiuttilieiftliat Ministers shelved nu indispositiuo towards
reshiction ; they had made reductions thia-year to timc uniennt
alai?, minima, and dia4 produced estiniatt R 7noolitiol. hatim,w
what was expected. He should put it to Gent:coup opposite,
as men of hourint, if they would have ally mare hesitation in
applying at the lior.se Canon's or Admiralty for promo,ion to
those who deserved it, than dairy were in the habit ot' daily
supporting his Majesty's Government. (Beer, heur.)—lie
• enitclatiled by moving the previous question.
Lord Stlrptitteti the motion.
Mr. Law opposed the motion.
Mr. W wan could not agree that because economy and re-
trenchment vette good things lit themselves, it was propt e to
adopt every species of them. He 'night agree to strip ott the
embroidery, hot nut the decent ornauteaLs turd supports of
Gu-
vermueut.--( Bier, hear!)
Mr. Ha Nit Es contended, that this office migld be abolished
without matting down the prerogative.
Mr. 'lust:twin supported the previous question.
Mr. Citoarit rose to correct a umis-statemead in respect to
the appointment of certain Commissioners. who went not at-
tached to the Admiralty Board. Front 168.1 •to the present
time, there was uo iasrauce of there being fewer than seven
Commissioners at tOOW, a year each, with the exception of
1610 t, in which year there were only six Cuminu.z.sioners at that
tate.

Mr. CANNING could not consent to take the view of the
question which the /fon. Baronet had taken. Ile nuiAt con-
sider the motion as the first of a series ef attaelsa., which wait
intended to be directed against political unite. The Right
HOU:Gentleman contended, that Alittisters lwd dirretefl their
attention to all those offices which in the public 'Moil were
deemed Aim-curt s; and the consequence bad been it practical
retrenchment, so tar as they; • could be eat tool into egret,
without Iletrionent to the public. service. 7 iou2ll all this Ltd
been Ctireted, 1111• did not suppose that it mould satisfy those,
whose only Abject WWI to ens it 11114 to clamour egaittwt all of-
flees, and never be satisfied.
51r. Boot .;stAst supported the motion.
On a division, the numbs rs were—For the Motion, 208—
,k,gainst, 142 —Majority in favour of 55. —Adj.

1110)Ni91)AF. FEB. 2n.
Though various petitions for Iterurin, 6:e. Were presented
this they, all other bilsiiier4 mum give wtt to (be great gory.
(ion connected With the—

HABEAS CORPUS SUSPENSION BILL.
Lord CASTLEREAGn moved for (lie labt irceding of the
13111 'nought from the Lords fur siispentLug the liathea4 Cor-
pus Act.
Mr. lIENN ITT took the earliest opportnirity of entering his
protest grilllNt the Inischievons tendency of the Bill. He
rely ette:l that lila lion. Friend (Mr. Pinismiloy t r.hosild ha% e
,lowed himself to sit in the same chamber will' the Noble
for he w is a person, after what hail ;,weed, not lit to
be trash d ; unit Ine enuld assure the Noble Lou], that if he
hail named him (Alr. B.) on the Conimitice. he %unlit not have
at withi him. The lion. Gi ntleinan iliQelatineil ail party
feeling on the present OcCaAtill. The Hun. Gentleman roi.
that peritivtuus tl4etillle3 end bIiP•VIKILUns libLl)

?MARCH S.

bre., pin forth ; for which, if the Attorney General had done
his ditty, the er;tnitiak :night li4ve been punished ; but failing
in doing his duty, the conotry generally were to be punished
for hisfaillt•. He went over the Report, treating it wi h
considerable degree of ridivitle; calling it suet. tried' as wit.
never 11C4111. Ile Wei% a1h41,,e1l of the Report, which (It-wiled
to be trampled under his feet.---(The Hon. Member here lite•
lolly carried into etrret his of on, by throwing the 141inted
Copy nil th.! Hour.]—into whose hands this power to
bit? into those that were already stained with their etninto's
lood.

Lord CASTl.C^tsycn rose to ro.ler. If the lien. :Wernher
stated, that hie ii,td itieireed his hands in biuwl iinjo,tly, it
was

Lord NIILTOM said, that the charge was not or criminally
iming bultrued his hands in Wood.
Mr. l'obnt: said, that if due lion. Gentleman adhered to
the word '6 criminal," lie trusted the !louse would order him
to fix a day for •making out that charge against Ills Noble
Friend. If he gave op that word " pe trusted the
expression would ho excused, as failing in the Ilea; of debate.
Mr. C.' IV% NNE cnn,idcn•d the eXpres,i4o " into whose
hands was this power to he pot," applied to Ministers gene-
rally.

The Ser.a.avn agreed that the question was, whether the
lion. Alember meant a charge against his Majesty's Gavel m
Divot, or against at, lINIIYIdIIaI of it.
Mr. IltsitsErr had tut he.itation in statinz, that 'he means
the expression generally, to amity to every one of the tiovern•
meta wbo stns in pms er at the time those dreadful be eller:
tock place in Ireland.

Lord Cistt.EiteAnH said, lie hail no right to complain, after
the exploit n is en by the Hon, Member.
Mr. IIIiNNLTT said, ihe•einelties which he had alluded to,
and the torturer, were comini.ted lit Du Win C •stle-yar I, nudes.
the cues of Ministers.
LULL! CASTLEREAGH trusted the House would not snfli•r
the Hon. Member to pursue such a course. It would lie elosn
to the lion. Member to hi lug fora wed any charge against
Itiinistt•rs, if lie thunglit proper.
Mr. lies NETT' looped the I louse would civense the heat of
debate; and coneholed by declaring, that lie would oppose
this Bill, and that for the suppression of Seditious-Meetings.
To the others he would give uisesocalt.
Mr. F. LEWIS WORK' give •Bes vole for the suspension of
this la<t consiumuation of our liberties with great and serious
reluctance ; but he did so because lie must give credit to the
C ... mince on the general character of it, thut all.the institu-
tions of this country were threatened with destruction.
Nit. C. Von► a apprehended the Bill, as ruining from the
Lords, should he first read, beeanse they could not know what
was contained in it until it was rend a first time.

I Ir. SatTTlt Said; he' 6 .d eutleavotte etl to (liseover some
reason far voting- iu favour of Otis sueusut C, but, ItaiL found
mute. _ _

Mr. F. Itertiasos thought nothing short of the propositions
made by Goveritineet andicient to ensure the safety
eit* the sound an + nd nst ri nits part of tile community.
Lord? ALTIIIIIIIP a considered the dectrines of those .mcietiers
as lentil: strong antidote.* egaiust the danger to ha appre-
hended from tlizfm. lie had uu objection to tile Bills for the
security of the Regent's person ; firr penielling the sede Prim'
of the soldiers nod' eitilore; or to the bill against eellitiotts
meetings for a limited time., to es. ided the meeting should be
tulerated— AIIPCC they dieppreed is an hour, if required. Bait
he could not give IC.. nesent to the Bill for the suspension of
the Ifabeas Corpns Act.
'Nee Lento Anoint vim of Scortemn said, that nathine
etni:d have induced Ibn to have addres•ed the House, but it
inest Mini:rime: sense of the necessity of the measnre to that
part of the island with whieli he was more immediately eon-
fleeted. YOU the 23d olJanuary he state inthrmed, that is secret
conspiracy was formed, and cemented by a,: 0.16, to perse-
vere in &staining for all the people. annual parliaments and
universal sattfrage by moral and physical Strength ; and that
the pimishinent of death be indicted on any one who informed
of any of the members. l'hie society was formed in Glasgow.
and the otatiewas administered to many hundreds in tila•evw
and its noighleourhood. A motion was mile to expunge the
paini•liment of death from the oath. but it was rejected ; and
he hod the pleasir.-e to state that many had been taken tip.
The oath was as
" In the awftit presence of God. I swear to persever2 in endeevour-
ing to thou a brotherhood of affection between lifitons of all classes
in Great Britain and Ireland; and to obtain for all the peeple of
Great Britain and 'rebind toe elective franchise at the age of tt, nai-
versa suffrage, and annual Parliaments. I swe *r to do this by mo-
ral or iility•teal strength, as the ease may reqiiin... I swear, that
neither ones. fears, nor punishments, shall Mama me to Ore
(knee against any individual hAntr;ing to the Society, n: to reveal any
of its proceolinge, under the nutiietneent of deeds to be inflicted on
41w by tow Member of such society."
Lord MILTON. Aid eh a Member of the Committee, he
saw 110 aeOlfrequitin far the adoption of th.e menistire.
Me. C..Wvistie had a confideatee. in the laielll and integrity
of those who proposed the measure ; and in thet integrity he
would eontide, considering it abeehttily necesqtry to admit
the measure, to check the Hume of'diratlection betom. it Isurst
;into open rebellion.
sirs. Roatitd.v• crruhl•nnt consider the House as justified
in adopting the measure now propose) till the urea of the
existent taws had been (*idly tried
The Sotterrint GEN Ell 111. defended-the conduct of the
Law ()threes of the Craws, and contended that the existing
1:IWS pot ill force as far as they beneficially could
be. He was convinced there loot been, and stall was, a widely
I:ate:deal romhinatiou existing iu this conotry, haring tar its
object the overthrow of the emedinition; tool so convinced,
be -aye the pre•ent measure' lass support.
Lord A. Russets. strongly opposed the measure, which lie
vonsi.leredias towelled for by any facts of which the house
were in possession. Even supposing there had been danger,
the plot was over, the whole had exploded, and danger no
Linger etisted.
Mr. CaUIITNNT %%opened the measure.
Si F. Iluitoerr said,the grounds of the present measures
as :a, undergt,o(ll finin the speech of the Learned Solicitor
General, was fear of that S nenecan •i eta. Poor Mr. Spence,
who lied been dead upwards of en yenta. never, detente hit
life; thought ho should be a person of so much importance as
he was now made, lo his oilmen, huwever, it vi as not from
the ~pence system that we had to emit c a nd danger, but the
Exp. we eeetem—a system which 31'11e:tees ileterniined never
to ill tlon ; since when it nropieael only to gig rup to the
cif of she People a Lord of the. Admiralty, the Noble Lord
st elm... .1 torward, trying out, that tin the safety of the ewe
at:tati a anal the country, they Isms: make a stand, and rells•e
ike b: which the pcople Asked. The LrAlllell Solicitor
le:ef a•VO talked of the French Revohition, te.e did not wish
tdetand oh Ille•Prenen Revolution, hint on the litiglish conga.
bottom Ile had also talked of the profaneness of Ihose tittles
of rovolati an. Ile (Sir P.t had al.. ht aid of that priteine
Sees j pint be could not but Illluk'irtunt beetrepralled by die

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miserable farce played off Moor churches a few weeks since,
where prayers had been °term.' up for the safety of the
Prince Regent, against a pestilence walking abroad. lie
knew of no peoilesiee caistiagi except that which was met at
every corner ct. the street, 11l the shape of taxation. With
respect to the proposed mention..., the Noble Lord might carry it
--lie might erect a gallows in l'ahtt-eYard,or even in the Lobby
of the House of Gnomons ; but lie could not entirely stop the
mouths of the people, unless he could shut them all no in
prison; and to do this lie most eruct new prisons in ever
quarter. for those at present in existence were already filled
by the distresses of the times.. Wtth remipeet to the lleport,
although lie lia,l a great respect fur several of the Members
who thrilled the Committee, he could not agree with th- us as
to the danger which existed. The floss. Baronet denied that
(Isere was any plot, exeept what Ministers had set on foot to
alarm the country. With respect to the Seditious Bills cir-
culated, such as, " No Regent ! No Castlereagh !" It was like
the scene in Richard, " Oil' with his head —so mull fur Buck-
inch:nor—A leutch.—lf the Bill went to Me Co ittee, lie
should propose wine clauses which would protect mess from
torture. .

Lord CAgTLEIZEAGII contended, that the question lay in a
very nit row compass. With all revved forthe Mot. Barmiest,
his high birth, state, and talents. hr dial not thint, Ilk speeches
were addressed to convince Parliament, but perious in ano-
ther place.--( 'ries cif no, no! Order, ord,r!
Lord ST t' LEY tii*l.• to order, and IMP it to the House %Ou-
tlier any Member had the right of imputing, the speeches of
any other Member to Lit•• covertly addressed, to persons old
(Willie House, and therefore he tinedt appuat to the Chuir.—
t Load and incraciont erica or hear, hear! Chair, chair !).
The Si's: tit Eli--" I apprehend, all speeches delivered in
this House, must be considered as addressed to the House—
Ilear,7tenr.
Lord Ctsgtetteantt maintained, that the lion. Baronet
was pursuing a course which better soiled' ith his election-
eering views.--(Near, hear.)—The olds. Lord contended,
that two Bills, wept to prevent the sodoction of the
Soldiery and the Navy, all4l to protect the Sovereign, were
not to he treated ludlcrowdy,- tN,t, no.) Tim Koble Lora
was convinced that a coomsititry ettistett to selivert thr.ao-
verumemt. He believed, that nut only un tlield Dec. bitten
the tAttgof rerlaraary, they hoped to. carry into effect Omit-
plant, its concert with soeicties it) tilt) country. He wante„l
to know whether blond should. flow haire any attempt should
matte to stop 1111. march of /omit pemows. If Government
was pot arinett with this:ma:mate, thehhinnso would place the
country in tlie•usost,paillistic Mood,, anti disastrous state.—
Ihnr, hear.)
Mr. PoNsuanY riefendt'd'hi4 conduct as a MenTher of the
Cominittoe, the Ittivort
Lordtlioasomnigth supporta& titefliiii; and Lords STattaite
and (s& 311110/111 °WM 4. it it.
The Hoaseitten• divided on lite qhustion for the first v.ad-
Mg, when there appeared' Ayes, 273; Nbes,
17$. The 8111 was-then rend-a first time; and•ottiered fora
second- reading on Thursday:
Artlioureaut at Three o'Ctook.
TIHII:ADVIN P. 27.

HARE:Ai: COR
After flinch business of a multifai lona nature had been die,
patched, an,i many petitions, eliietly for Reform and against
the Sitspewsion Bin.; before-thtellonse, had been received.—
The Cnamednidant of the Emeat Vas: tat moved, that the
Speaker leave! the Chair.
Mr. (NEN found himself compelled to differ fiotn many
of those alien& with whom lie had long cordially acted, and
wi'lr whom he hoped still: to be oonneetail.—(lfenr, hear.)—
His conviction might be erroneous; but he would say, it was
honest, sincere, and mouseiehtiores. !le felt it his duty, there-
tore, to se pixel the Bill, as tending to secure the lieerties and
proluote the interests of the eetnitry.
Mr. Censers+ said, that not witlistaeiline the strong opinion
declared by the House last night, it Was impossible for I • to
forget what were the strotig fedings of those who opposed a
similar measure above viU years it gOv lrowcverstrong his own
opposition to the mensnre then was, in every- stage of it, that
dexree of political animosity °mild:riot beluipposed to remain
now in the sane extent. A:st the impressions of that time
remained in liiin unimpaired; and he felt it his dusty to mark
his opinion to the H arse and the country. Thera %eaa n' very
great difference between the suite of the country and Unit
state before. u hen patties tan so high, when.the country was
under peculiar difficulties, and when pernicious opinions
were said' to lie spreading-so widely. He had been closely
engazed in all the- oppositions to- the measure at that time;
and he saw no reason to regret it. Thera were cincolustanoes
attending the present case of peculiar delicacy. A Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby), who had been on the Cone
miner, had dclisered a spei'rh last night which ought to en-
lear hint to the House, and to- this country by its sense and
mil.liteSS. Butt lhattgli he Itlnt.Saitl, Illat.ltadJae barn in the
Cabinet lie should have reco: tttttt milted a communication to
Pm-humid, and some measure to be adopted; yet, in saying
so, he by ne ineatia recommended this particular measnre of
the seispetetiou of- the Hakes* Vorpus-tioe• Hrpnrticolkrly
alluded to the specelt of the Lem-nett Lord Advocate of Snots
laud. KAM, by oe a statement, had dearly shown, that by
menus of the laws es they stood; lie had been• emehled torar-
reet a number of entemiratara neriogleaders of tileslisalfectedi
He Rion:Ott that the Law ()dicers of. the Lrown had shown
Ito grounds to entitle tiovermiteut to the aid of additional
laws, since iu England they bail not yet tried the efficiency
1)f those which exist: hiP. for :,ue, would ant agree-to the
sitSpeol.inte. lfe pointedly reform!! to the Year:l794 anti the
proceedings Own ittlopteal tisecifeciirof swinish were to place,
every neui who dared to-oppose the plots of Ministers in the
dattgeroist Sitnatinn of a person suspected of hostility to the
Government and constitution of the conntry..--(f/ear.\—He
partisoilarly well remensliered ono instance of ailtundred gen-
tleman of respectability, in the' !kooky& Eagland, *llO met
together on the 4th of Ntlecilitier to Mehl:4le the revelittion;
a spy of Mr. Reeves's seas sent dews' there, mid every word
that was uttered by the gentlemen preemie from- affection to
the revolution which placid they presentitoyal Family upon
the throne. was noticed: What then happilied? Why, that
the spy reported to his emptily tar that there a as a great deal
ut ilisatiection and treasutum. II e; es wrote to an
'Ayer who had been present, and wh..er proper and manly
reply to Mr. Reeve' wits. that if any thing disloyal or distil
fected bind occurred. he should nut have required Mr. Reeves's
Moult .rs or advice to know what he might to do. Supposing
a letter of this descriltion put into the green hive, totally Coll•
tr.try to truth; full of !misrepresentations and for
expressions used in warm affection ler that gt int event which
clone gave to the reigning family their IRV to the throna of •
those realms!—a title of witich he hoped and trnsted they
would always remember the trite foundatimi . but tit' w hich.
if they abandoned the principles, he sitiodil ;wee for them
uuly the fate of these whom they. succeeded ! kkrue.) lle 1,,

metatorred very web diet fur seine time Mr. Pitt would mot
y.eld to the goadines of Mr. ; but was Unlined to
think the lacunas contemiitiale ;hut then came the gi eat ob-
ject of patting stoop all hopes of reform in the representation,
and this, more than any other object goverued the ineasire a
of the Jay. Now a similar measure was.called tor to 11111%1 r
a similar object, wind:, it warn 111011::itt, would by 1111 i lUl!:1114
be defeated ; but lie believed all honest own, front one end
of the cosiiitry to the other, wished fir veto m ; mid they
could not expect public security, or pithlic prime, without a
change in the representation it that house. (Uwe.) Could
test any 111411 reed the preamble of that bill, which iisclareil
that the sale of scats in that house was ionorioue,iiiid as Mr.
Speaker had justly and strongly expressed Itiniself,wenotin t-
ows as noon-day. Toe bill enacted nothing to defeat the
great object. War not the country right„ Own, with the ritt-
thoritiee they had in favour of their upinioes, to say that
there did exist an influence within those well* which colds&
not unite the house and the people together 43 till'y 011411 t to
be : it was imposible to have that union is such circumstances,
He remembered, On a former occasioe, having mentioned that
20,0091. had been lei I out to timeliest. seats in that bonee ;
lrn he was told lie was mistaken in that installer ill thessum ;
for the amount was only 1114,5001. He admitted the curie-.
ti if that was any greiltiration to the parties, and wae only
lerry that so much money had been laid tint for such a purer .
fee it was by fir too much. What was to Ise expected f um 4
Parliament under undue influence? What put :maid to
' expensive American wens'? Was it merely the wisdom, pa.
triotisni, mill virtue of the house ? No, it Was the settee of the
people. What ryas it that prevented a troidelesonie and
culotte war with kiissia? W.ln it the Parliament snerels ? No,
it was the strong expression of the people's feelings. What
was it then thatcould alone explode curroption.and (hint:ly
pl ACV,: 111111 peuslosis given, slot even fur service*, bat for worm
than no services at ad? Es cry grant made for a ',untie ser-
vice lie considered 44 slurred as private, property. lint,
-bile lie readily admitted that, he did not conceive that the
house wits p,e veined 40111 nil those oh ch-were ;nude
he reward i directly MOIIIOIIS to the trate interest, Of
the country. As tu the acts of had. meo ill the country, those
mete were out the allies of sefortii...they wefv the promoters
of the system of those who uppueestall reform. rfik. 1111,4 SlA-
pelli4l4l. of the Habeas Corpus Act was to get 31r. %Yin tint
of the ditlienlties that attended him in the question of retie in.
So now the object was, to make use of circumstances to astsi I
reform, and seuction the is stabllstunent of an army too great
for the country to hold or to pay ; and to uliml the nestiusi as to
its real state. These plots and alarms were the only means he
which to get the enormous e spencer of the country tolerated.
It' Ministers, wereerealay .sseare die true situauoa of the
country, he_ thought we shOuld. have examined carefully_ into
1171 r sthtror nit? cbtriiitts, ever-SP;issible re-
trenchment, have 'epped utiour etimeeees liy millious. When-
ever they come Cellist to geapple aids. tlw Chareellor of the
Exch.:pie' , it would he seen, that we Shall ee 20 mil-
lions of expenditure, in varlet.' waye, above our resources.
The 111111111CP•oi. the crown was to be met with wherever .hey
turned, and ha almost every indonce ; and under the bur .ens
and tillSeidties of the country it had hue eased tenfold. (hear).
The indreiremnstanee heiMe. C.l ever regretted, respet.;ing
the opposition .c.) the sitspeneion iu Mr. Pitt's time, was, tiest
thy gave way a little too much to their na tire' ~..cliaigs in
opposition to suet a meitetue, this Wets thi Base oevr teety
toahrawonaty imentotiens upon eeee,le,nen, which ail ~.tisef-
luent circumstance. waived to be food unjust.- H. 0.. std
vainly hope to me up ibis I ftir ta II re,. belt Ise would sal, eti
dangers did esust, it was web raleidated to li:crease dist 41St
and to banish.cutiti leave in the people.--4
be admitted. be necessmy, after all, to the Ministers, if y
were, to proceed upon their eysteen,•if they hereto ;linkr
their stand as it hail brew called,. ash to rrlime to knock off
another uselees place, after themes-nig so malty brave min
who had tit:win our wattles all over the worirl.—( Ileur.) —No
doubt the dismissal of many of these brave men ails 1)441111a
to Ministers themselves. but what might theee turn say? They
might say, why not kept or .iOO of them, rather than insist
is keeping twomselees Lords of the Admiralty, whose ousi-
ness could nails/need by automatons?.—(!lour.)—lie had
delayed the home tonere than he ought, hunt he is meal always,
uninfluenced by party, speak oat his mind. No matt was
ever mute sincerely attaelreol to the c matitsition that; lie;
front this attachment lie oppeeed both the suspension of it,
peoposed by Miuisters, end the changes that certain re-
forntei s who supported the doctrines of universal sintei;s3
and animal elernioss, were desirous of making on it. He
opposed the latter, not because he suspect. d their honesty,
but beesuew be doubted. their wisdom, lie vorobeteil tile
denfand of-power advanced by Minis
terr to presets flee
public tranquility against their deaigus, because he .vas Coll-
Nilteed that enett•ineaserros were not ueceeeary. He was r on-
viewed (lint this resallesuonlibbe, Out to ttiel public sero rite,
but to prodnea. alarm. He would divide the /louse, niereiqre,
on the measure nt every stage.
Mr. LOCKII.4 UT flit, slut with to fellow the Hon. Gentle.
man (Mr. Cairweii) into the details of his slicer!' : but he de-
clared that the atrocious projects disclosed in the report of
the Secret Committee iii,lneed him most cordially to dive ha
support to tint suspension bill stew before the House, which
was the only means of preveutiug the reelizatiuu of these
projehte.
.51c. M %Alt YAT OppOtteqi the bill.
The bill was cuinutitteil diet reported.
The seditious meeting pre% claim' bill was or lered to be
read it second time oil 31onilay. iljourned.