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other to embody in *unifier separate Bill the provisions
which bad been left out of the Bill by the amendments made
to the Lords. If the Crown aceede.l to the Address of that
House,_ it would imply a censure upon 'be conduct of the
ether House of Parliament. The Bill to its resent state he
thought capable of doing winch; and even Imperfect as it
had been re presented to be, it trheold have Ina most cordial
support. The House would br at liberty to enter into detail
be after end follow up the present Bill by supplementary
measures, relculated to rands r more efil cluel the btuevolent
intentions of the Legislature.
Mr. J Seim shoul.l support the guidon of his Hoe. and
Learned Sri sod. Isecause the great object of the Bill was to
Rive the rowintist. es • power to investigate halo the
'41113%e` of oil rt. sitie. It 'nig*: be true that no Bill or
Bills round be so eiseAtrueted as to prevent abuses inhere-
silly ; yet retry thing should he dune to render litt benefits
of the Bill as generally telt as possahle. Front the Quak.re,
ifsisse 3.th/toilet:t eharities wire exempted feum.the
sons of this Bill, helm,' hail an spoil. tunity of lear ll tt g that
they shootd be happy to expose the regulatiosi and euisibiet
adopted hith respect to their reuniting les and einritiew—
They, anc all holiest sell.nue uu ug oleo, con Id have 119 ra a_
an tat to with that their conduct should not he strictly and
scrupulously examinvel.—'near, hear.;—Fir reason'
he 11111.0111t1 give the.enisti tttt of his Him. and Leaancel Fi ieud
is most decided Inppurt.—elfear.)
Sir P. RttIIIIFTT entered at length into the question be-
fore the H. 1114., and considers d that it usibecomine any
honest liberaleats led man so interpose ohjecti tttt s of a will.
ideal nalitreein it case of Each urgency ets this, nimbi so ma-
terially atliseleel the interrrts of charitehle endowments of
every deseriptimi. The grand object of the Hon. and Lear.
ed mover was, to prevent the pliiiider of the funds nppro-
printed to the use of the poor. To this House this class of
individuals looked isp as to their stature! protectors.. It
was rani to talk to slur poor of Royal Commissions. They
had been tries) with reap-el to the Revenue, the F.xcise, the
Army, and the Navy. The result of all thew various
Commissions had been—balled inquiry, and increased ex-
pense--and it was remarkable that Ministers bad in most
itistattees reodereel these inquiries the means of increasing
the patronage of Government, led the diseemination of that
corruption it was expected they woold hive been the organ
of repressing to • great degree. To talk always in such
cues of equitable adjudications was absurd, especially
where sheer corporate bodies were concerned. It was the
swine in effect to defer justice its the manner it had been ad-
mitted to have been deferred In the Court of Chancery, as
to deny this class of suitors justice altogether. It was a
fortuitous circumstance, that the unclaimed dividends ih
that Court had amounted to so many millions. What num-
bers of persons must have been mined seeking for portions
of ibis property, to which it was obvious they mast in Many
instances have beets justly entitled. There was no question
that much of the property assigned to these charities had
(mind its way into the pockets or those who bad beau •p-
-pointed its busters or euarilisos, or their devrendants He
hoped Government wiesslei not he so imprudent and deaf to
their hest iutereets as to lot quiet and see these fistula mis-
applied, without stretching forth their powerful band to
secure to the poor the enjoyment of those charitable funds
which at once tended most materially to trim' b the sum
of human misery, and exalt the moral and beneficent cha-
racter of the wealthy of this country in the eyes of the world.
Mr Cas7ll3lG should testifiers lii. objections solely to the
proposition before the House. aid t reference to the
speeches of those who had rrrerilrol him. He bed always
been • fricud to inquiry. jester/illy speaking—but more par-
lieularly to inquiries of this nai tire ; although he would ad-
mit be was by no meant disposed to support those improve.
mewls, as they had been termed, which the Bill, during
the time of its loins( considered rail reconsidered by the Com.
mittee sod the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, had undergone.
The Bill had beets before the !tense from the middle of
March last loud the 20th of May, when it was sent up to
the Lords to be reconsidered by the m, at a time when there
must naturally have been many other questlows of vital int-
podim before their Lordships. Upon its being disclaimed.
their Lordships naturally felt some objections to go to so
great • length as the Bill appeared to require. ll'he Bill
contained three several objects—to one of these three they had
felt considerable objection, and struck it out of the Bill. It
was not unnatural they should feel none hesitation as to
some of the provisions of a Bill, which bad occupied the at-
tention of she House of CM111110•11 fur die greater part of the
Session. TI r present application to the Crown, appeared
to him stremely to savour of a disposition On the part of that
House, to so tailgate to itself all the powers of legualation, and
set the deliberative capacity of she House of Lords (to which
they had been considered entitled in theory and practice for
titularies) altogether aside. Indeed, it almost avowed, that
as the House held the strings of the peddle purse, it was
the intention of the Commies's to 'hew their Lordships they
had a short cut to the Throne, in despight of the House ilt
Lords; thin exerting its influence most banefully upon the
Crown, for the purpose amercing one branch of the Legisls-
ture.—e Neer, hear.;--He hail always considered the House
of Lords as Invier an authority and intlernee concurrent
with that of this House. The present application, by ad-
dress to she Crown, denied their Lordships the privilege
of exercising that aisiburity and influence. Upon. these
broad principles, slim ranre, he should give the motion of the
Memlwr the must decided opposition He would
maintain, that it was not • question of so much emergency
as to authorise the house in calling upon the Crown to do
for itself, that which is now appeared could not be done ha
the misuser proposed, in eutiesirieiser with another branch of
the Legislature. The Hon Gentleman might have taken an-
other course is, the first instance; hot nut having done so,
he (weld not now, after Isis owls ritrlsust, turn round and tall
ou the Wow In adopt a very novel, and perhaps hasty pre-
Leant. Ile (Mr Canning) would watch the measure in its
future course—not that he opposed its principle, or the oh-
jell in view, lint because he saw it pursued with a headlong
reel, and inadeittive to necessary forms, which bulked like
• desire to trample down, in eases of this kind, some of the
most important forms of the constitution.

Mr. Buornitast, in reply, denied (list he had violated any
of the fo►ms of Parliament ; but ►he Bill, as sent from the
Lords, was so altered that he could hardly recognise in it
any part of his own offspring. This was owing to the baste,
■nd almost utter ignorance in which the alterations were
made in another place Now, as to the time of introducing
the Bill, the Right Hun. Gentleman had said, with cbroaolo-
gical accuracy, that the Bill had been brought in in March
and postponed till April ; but lie said he did not eusaplato of
this delay, it would indeed be very odd aloe did, for the de.
lay arose during the recess, while the House may be said to
have been every where but at Westminster, and while be
himself was in a dement part of the ctiuntry.-(A laugh
The Hun. and Learned Grutleman Own reviewed the pro-
gress of his Bill, and alluded ill eloquent terms, to the
measure of Lord St. Vincent, the great model from which
it Md been taken. It wax this which made the Bill en-
palatable, 'item among tlie patrons of Lord St. Vincent's
11314%211re; for they dinliked the yea and effective •pe-
ratiun of that Bill, and the Lord Chancellor, Lord Sidinoutk,
and others, got alarmed, aunt were anxious for a milder, a
calmer, and less decisive course of proceeding.—( ffser.)—
Bo far front wishing to hare forced his measure in au un-
compromising rasaner, he had to the suggestions of
those Noble sod Learned Louis elsewhere, who now charged
him with pertinacity to his own epistles'. This was any
thing lint a conflict with the House of Lords, for their Lord-
ships smendnieuts were to lie agreed to, and the only pro-
position wan, whether by en Address to the Crown a concur.
rein inquiry might not at the name time be carried on in
furtherance ..r the atomic object.
The Gallery was then cleared for a division, when the
numbers were—
For Mr Brougham's Motion .
Against it

Majority against it
Oo nor to the Oalirry we found Mr.
BlsuLostitil giving notice, ant as intimate was now to-
tally 'militated, he would, early nod Session, move fur the
appointment of Commi,sioners to inquire into the abuses to
ch.irities generally, with a view to root out that system of
phindering the Amite of the po.•r, which. it now seemed, was
to be saiteliwied by +tome, protected with a fellow feeling by
others, and shielded by n third party. lie hoped to titters
minute thin myotent of plunder, hwercrer high %ere the par-
tire Connected with it --(Hear.)
Luca Carttsacann thca retied the Hon. and Learned