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wished to shut out all enquiry as to the mode in which the
ease for the prosecution hod been gut up. that examine/Mau
engines go oe. Truth was nil that was wonted by the en-
quiry; truth was all that those who insisted upon it were in
search of.—(Hear, bear.)
Lord KEDESDALE wished to have the opinion of the
Judges on the subject.
The LORD CHANCELLOR begged to state tbeireason
which induced him to press the question being put to the
Learned Judges. Their Lordships had been engaged between
thirty lied forty days for this enquiry. and up to this time
they had agreed to be governed by those rules of evidence
which obtained in common law, and which were considered
to be found injustice, fur if they were not so founded, they
might to he changed to-marrow.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN understood the Counsel
at the bar for her Majesty to state that it was not their
object In calling the lest witness, to prove that ha bad
been offered a bribe to depose against the Queen, bat
that Vilasicarti bad proposed to him to abstract papers
from the Queen's Advocate at Milan. The Noble Lord
(Lawsdowm) wished skis to be stated in the Trestles, that
an attempt to injure the Queen In her defence had been
made. by endeavouring to abstract papers from a enafi-
dentist agent. This was very far different from iodating
a person to give testimony against her. It was said, shall
we depart from that rule to which we hays hitherto ad-
beret' ? He beard that remark with astonishment, because
their Lordships had not been, nor ought they to be, ad-
journed. ID a case which made against the Queen, en a
former day, after taking the opinion of the Judges, their
Loedships, differing from that opinion, permitted the very
question to be pet, which the Judges had decided against.
This was in the examination of Bauchi. who was asked if
Mariett had said any thing to him about giving evidence
in the case of the Queen ? Her Attorney General objected
to the qnesiion ; Ike Judges were consulted, and agreed
that it ought not to be put—and yet, in a subsequent
examination, the question thus objected to, and thus de-
clared to be illegal, was actually put, and it was admitted
by their Lordships to have been put fur this very reason,
that there was some suspicion that Alarietti might be an
agent of the Queen, might he employed by her Majesty.
and that lie might have interfered in the bullpen further
than lie ought to have done.. When their Lordships hail
reason to outmost) that a conspiracy existed, and the
Counsel et the bar offered to prove that conspiracy,. how •
could they refuse to enter into the inqniry Ought not
this conspiracy to be inquired into ?—Hear, hear, hear).,
'their Lordships were proceeding in a bill to depose the!
Queen from the Throne, foundedion evidence -which was,
declared to have., been obtained by subornation and i
bribery. Were their Lordships to peso the bill, to seed'
it to the other House. and then ask the royal assent; and,
having deposed her Majesty, to cense an inqniry into the
evidence by which she bad been so deposed, when, per-
haps the King had married another wife, and that evi-
dence should be proved to be false, and that she had been
unjustly dethroned and degraded.—Wee wick, the king-
maker,
Lordships to adopt tins course. what remedy could they
have?—why no other, than to divorce the King from his
mew wife, and to restore the injured and insulted Caroline
to her rank and honours. His Lordship concluded a very
able speech by saying, that he should vote that the ques-
tion should not be put to the Judges.
Lord KING read part of the minutes, in which the agency
of Vitmicarti was distinctly proved; he had agreed to give
See res a day to a witness. Ills Lordship said he should
Tate against the question being put to the Judges is what-
ever shape it might appear, bat he thought that the part of
the evidence in proof of Yilmicarti's agency, should be
averred in the question.
Afters few words from Lords Redestiale and Remaly.,
The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed to adopt the mqr-
gtstion of Lord King, and insert it in the question.
The amended question was then pet to the Judges, who
retired.
At ten minutes past two o'clock the Judges returned,
and
The Lord CHIEF JUSTICE staled to the House, that
be and his Learned Brothers thought it necessary to have
further time, fur the considered's of tits question submit-
ted to them.
• The LORD CHANCELLOR having stated this request
of the Judges to the House, moved tisat their Lordships
should now adjourn.
The Earl of CARNARVON said the technical part of
the law had, in his opinion, nothing to do with the con-
duct which their Lordships were hound to pursue. It
was required of them by Ministers that they should give
up a human sacrifice, and then inquire whether they were
right ar wrong in doing so? It was wasting time to be
submitting questions of law to the Judges; it was a waste
of that time which should be devoted to the performance
of their ditty.
Lord ERSK INE said he bad a supplementary prnpo-
siting to submit, which was calculated to legalize the
question against which their Lordships had decided
yesterday. It was this—Supposiug, according to the rules
of law, es idrnce of a conspiracy to suborn a amines ought
not so be admitted, except as fetes relate.' to the prosecutor
or agent employed by him, will nut general evidence of such
• ciPospirliey be nevertheless, in the lint instance, received
as a preliminary step to the institution of criminal proceed-
lags against the prosecutor leintreif, or his agent ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR mid, that though he might
dissent from the *pinkie of she Judges ander sock dream-
stances, he felt bound to propene that this winos should
eabmiNed Ile their consideration,
Z le addilienal greeliee was them proposed to the Jed gee
end the Hew ailjurned at illalf-pitst tan o'clock.
IPOVETWITH DAY OP THE DEFENCE.
grerassea "Neer. la.
The ephistrefise J tma aids* the question. so which
they
am* b wae
ew Anted .
eearaived MOM% beingiart. The Attorney-
Gpose
• Soft& Pow* was sidled ia.
Me. Dummy read the mingles of the evidence given by the
witness ens funnel day.
Mr. Damara' wished that the questions and answers should
be interpreted to die witness, or Mr. Gurney read them.
Examined Mr. WILD&
Yen stated that Vilinicarti told you to bring him the papers
beksetageo her Royal Highness. Did he offer any inducement
pabs=l.lg4eseannieV—llme ne
ore cmi e thatcohte would
times ityve me t
usual en•ml:
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" Did he state the nature of the employment he would give you ?
...Yes, in dm; police of Milan.
Did Jul afterwards pastes 'youne:f of any of her Royal High.
• • Dares papers; sed take diem to Vilna:ant
The auticil'Oß•GCNEltAf. ohjected to the question.
. Di I you, ia ocusequence of your coriversativn with Vilmicuti.

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and infamous, at were you told it by another ?...711e •
are seamy she set bawdy %Id isgienowsly, awd et-wards d
tepemt. and go have I—(Laughter.)
Then, having repented in January, you afterwards delivered
to Yilmacaru a list of witnesses ?...There were five or six of
them, and I wrote their name.
Did Vilmacarti pay you for that intelligence P...N0, I gave
him the list.

Did Reganti pay you ?...I did not give the litt to Reganti, but
to Vihnacard._ _ _

Howloniidter this did your master, Codazni, hem of it T..
On the same dal that I gave the list to Vilmocarti, I told it to
Codazzi.

With the exception of the hut, did you deliver any other
paper to Vilmaearti after December ?...No.
Will you swear that positively ?...One hundred times. (4
laugh.)
Did you ever after that offer papers to Vilmacarti ?...I never
called till Colonel Brown sent me. Vilma:arta made his hue
payment when Colonel Brown sent me to him, towards the end
of March.

What sum did you last receive from Yilmacarti. at the end of
March ?...Nifty two Byres and a half of Milan.
Are you quite we that was at the end of March P... Yes.
Will you ►wear that Colonel Brown did not abk you who you
were. and that when you retitsed to tell him. be shut the door.
and said you should not quit the room until you told who you
were P...l swear that is nut true.

Did not SM Colonel your giving him the letters, say
you were a mast infamous scoundrel, and that you would end
by being hanged ?...He shall be halted, aid not 1, for I haw
osoi said so.

That it not an answer to the question ; it is not what you said.
but what Colonel Brown said.

The question was repeated, to which the witness answered,
I repeat again it is not true. He gave me the letters, but be
said no more ; be shut the door of the mom in order that we
should not be heard, and he told me not to speak so bad; and
he b d me call spin ou Vilmacarti the neat day, and be would
cause Inc to receive
.tOO francs. .

Did he not. on shutting the door. say you should not go out
until you tuld who you were ?...He is a liar it he says so. I
swear It. _ _ _

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Did not Colonel Brown say you was a most infamous fellow?
...I have repeated it many times, he did not say so.
Did he not say you would end by being hanged 1.... He never
said so.
Did he not my something to that calm P...21r0 he did not. I
have been seduced by them, and they are more iitanions than I
em. 1 tailed twice on Colonel Brown; the first time he was not
at home I often saw him wince at Aldan. I never saw him
at his house but once. It was about the end of March this year.
1 took to Col. Brown two or three letters.

Having said that you aiscovercti for the first time, in the
month of January. that it was infamous to betray your master.
I want to know 31 you consider it infamous to swear on your
oath what is not true swear the truth i, just. What is
true, I swear, and what 1 have said I ant ready to swear. I
told Codazsi these facts on the 27th of July, and he immediately
dismissed me.

What are you to have for coming here,...l will receive no.
thing. I come here to remedy my error. and speak the truth.
I swear I do not expect any compensation for coming here.
I akte.tr it is to remedy the evil that I come here. and for no
other motive whatever. I have not seen Coilazzi suice I left his
service. He never sent for me. Ido not know that he is still
employed for her lio)al Highness.
Were you examined by Codaxxi on the t7th July ?...I told
him of my own accord the whole story.
And Codaszi wrote it down ?...No, I did, in my own hand.
The SOLICITOII GENERAL said. he had closed his OM.
examination.

Re•ssainiand by Mr. Wylde.
lam twenty two Zara GI age. It was on the day following
the interview with Weal Brown that 1 received money from
Vilma:std. It seas save that interview that I gave the list of
witnesses. The Waikato I received seat from 3So to son trams.

The LOUD CHlllClll.l.6liiaediiAnTioani wish- to
ask the witness any rowing?
No Illwitiews being eased, the witness was ordered to with-
draw. _ _

Mr. DiOtlONAll=ooerl that Pond might be recalled.
by Mr. Wylde.
I know a person of tho name of Regents His Christian name
is PM W° 1 he oils tabula. monad, ire. When I went to his
shop. be had Always amathing mull me.
On Illot essasion what dill do ?...I went to beg some-
thhnitairreagiati add hems wing I belonged to the Barons
harem ever ash dime swamis between her Ro)al
Ifighimas and Sagami ? Now is the time to cone forward to
mom .wind and become a man." I anewerods that I had
seats.He sed--,4 Have you not ems the Pi Meets cut horse-
back, and Sergami put his hand wader bee petticoats? I told
him this was a perfect falsehood; fair, ammad of that, be paid
but all pueblo respect and dummy whisk was due to that gnat
plesonge I gave up going ft his shop, be annoyed me so much
at the fodueet.
Cross examined by the Attorney' General.
I don't know the time precisely when the conversation I had
mentioned took place. He said it so diem that I can mention
no particular time. He went even so far as to say that he would
wage war against her. Several persons were present at the time.
I could name Antonio Harrah; the others I can't tell. I re.
member Harrah being present at such conversation only once.
Did any thing more pass ?...I said I could say nothing of her
Royal Highness. for she was • most just and charitable woman.
By Lord LAUDERDALL—Were you yourself at the balls
at the Barons ?...I told you so the day before.
Were your daughters theme ?...No, because I have got 000 e.
How came you to say the other day. that you had stipulated
fora byre a day ter your wife, and had a line for your daugh•
ters?...l said f.he witness mentioned in Italian dimunitive, nos
meaning daughters, but infant boys) I had a son nine years of
age, and others were under it. I had daughters, but stay me
dead.
ilefootio Maud sworn, and examined lizt. WILLIAMS.
I come from Venice. Betonwas I emin the Police...
Now 1 on a manager of a playhouse. 1 cow Paolo Ziegler
who is manager of a theatre. I knew him in Ma.ch, 181 a. I
was at • theatre in Venice of St. Luke, in the month of Nu'
vember. Zangla received two letters thin at we time. Igm
bun open Maui. and make a motion of surpruse when he read
thew- After that. Zangla and 1 went from Venice to Milan foe
tire or six days by the Diligence. Thaw was moray deposited
Me the use of 'Zangla on the following day at the place of the
Diligence, fifteen Napoleons. When we arrived at Milan, we
w. nt to Onentale, to look for No. 6(10. Before we came to the
door there was a tailor's Mop. Zangla went into number fibu.
I waited below. Zan& reivained there about a quarter of an
hour. I %%mixt fur hum, and we went together to Use lon. While
we rerriaineil at Milan, we went to the house of Vilsnicarti. the
Advocate Zangla went into the house, and continued to remain
there about all 11041 r and a half. This was on the tollowiug day.
I remained below, and Ziui,gla came town. 'lucre was &Wither
111141. We men went to the house of Major Browne, that,
Zangla to;t1 me, was his name. 1 only know one noes named
Brown. I dote' know whether he ass a Colonel or a Major
for I did not see his belt. I saw lion on the followirj (1.3.
when he met Zangla, and Z.angia saki he was Major
They did not speals.to each other, but they bowed. name
of the street in winch he fitful was Porto Orientide. the Imam
was 660. Z.tuiFla went up stairs on the occasion of which I have
uuw .poker. Lang:a remained there a quarter of an bout.—