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London, England, 1820-06-07 00:00:00

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

Mr. HUME row, and said, that the intention of
the Act 5 George 111. cap. 113, had, he thought,
been completely violated by the pensions granted
in the Storekeeper's department of the Ordnance,
and he must expressly and distinctly abject to the
practice of granting pensions after such short
periods as one, two, or three years service. lie
wished also to be informed II these pensions had
been granted on the order of the Master-General,
or under the signature of three Lords of the Trea-
sury, as was the usual practice
Mr. K. WARD said, the pensions of which the
Honourable Gentleman complained, were those
granted to officers who had lost their offices by a re-
duction in the department, and cravenly were not
within the intent and meaning of the Act to which
the Honourable Gentleman had alluded. In re-
ply to Ins question. lie begged to inform him that
no pensions whatever were granted, except wider
a warrant of Treasury, signed by three Lords.
Ct.lone! DAVIES said • few words.
Mr. W•RD explained.

Mr. CA acitarr mid, he bad fur some years left
off troublitig the lion. Gentlemen opposite with
any olyseivatimis the Ordnance expenditure.
The lost time lie had so addressed them, was dor.
Mg the administration of Lord Mulgrave, end lie
had then said that the estimate produced WWI a
pattern to all the other services of the country ; hut
lie regretted that in the first year of the administra-
tion of that illustrious Captain (the Duke of Wel-
lington), he could not so compliment him, because
he had added 127,000/. yearly to that reduce-el esti-
mate of the Earl of Mangrove. The Hun. Gentle.
man had spoken of • sasmg of 9.1:001. and the re.
ductioa of nineteen offices; but looking to totals,
•ofortussstely it would he found that the result of
all was as lie lied noted. • conviderable iticteate.
It might be said that this increased expenditure
was necessary. but in his opinion no case lied been
made out, end under the existing circumstances of
the country, if such necessity really existed, it WAS
the duty of those at ilia head of departments to are.
if no counterbalancing deductions could not be
made in other brooches.

Mr. W•RD said, that of this increase of 133 0001.
there was 55.0004 flowing from Mr. Winn's:lnes
Act. and other Acts of Parliament, with *hick
the Noble Duke at the head of the department had
nothing whatever to do. Ten thousand pounds
also was expended for arming the yeotinuiry corps,
and it surely would nut be said that those corps
should not have arum.
Mr. HUME raid across the table, the reduced
cavalry arms might have been supplied. •
Mr. R. Waan said, the Noble Duke's at-
tention to economy was exemplified in duo in-
stance, for he had supplied such part of the re-
duced cavalry arms as were fit fur service, and by
attaching new stocks to such carburalus required it.
and malting other repairs, lie was enabled to limit
the expense to .11110001., which, had new sews been
supplied, would have amounted t030.900/.—lie re-
gretted the Imposition which appeared, to cavil at
the acts of the Noble Duke at the head of the
Ordasuce. who*. rest seri/ices all allowed.
Sir Joas Nawroar said, that its lateiag at

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these Estimates be most confider tl,e Duke „c
Wellington—not as Duke of %Yellingtnii, hut is
Master-General of the Ordnance. The flisnourile
Member might sneer as much as he ilinedit proper,
end impute motives of spleen to individual% but .1
the Noble Duke 'Llsought proper to areepA,. re-
sponsible .office, it was to diet flotow he Most lit
accontiteble, and it wan the dote of the Members
of that Hours to masonic his coseduet in it..,mite
the same miutateness as that of auy other public
officer.
Mr. R. WAith disclaimed any intention of int.
puling any improper roosters to any lite, Member.
ARMY ESTIMATES.
On the 'clause being reed read for the number
of somber. to he noisitindued,
Colonel DAMES wi-hid to know if this tiii.nher
was to he considered as the regular grace
merit .?
The CIIANCELLOR of the EICHYQUaIt 14.0 i '414
we understood) that saute part of in, additioi.4l
force was to Ise cousidered is °nit temporary.
Lord NUGENT said a few words, which we were
presented bearing by the noise in the Gillery.
Mr. Hems referred to the example of the Am..
riven Congress. who at the commetivernent of
Sessions regularly appointed different Committers
for the reanimation of their several head. of relief.
diture, purl he hoped at the commencemeot of
another Session his Majesty's Ministers 'meld
follow the example, and appoint Committees for
the examination of the Naval. Military, sot Ont.
nonce Estimates, as louder she present s)ftem
complexity, the difficulty 'mending any attempt et
examination must deter individual 31rnibers from
giving that attention to the auttieet which W4* PO
much to he desired. He would 'left: mite one artitie
of expense, in which be thought, under a compre-
hensive system of control, a great saving might be
effected—he alluded to storekeepers abroad ; time
were in the same place, naval, ordnance, and in.-
litery storekeepers, each having a separate charge,
and each at a great expense, when the whole of the
duty might be performed by one of them.
Sir JOH% NEWPOtT was decidedly against the
idea of the House devolving its powers uu Cern-
i pee.

The Report of the Committee of Supply vas
then brought rip, and 81114 ordered to be prepared,
Mr. R. GORDON moved for an account of
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peosea incurred in Buildings designed for Bllrr4cks
from the year 1793, down to the present time, ill-
tingnishing the expenditure of each year.
Mr. N. CALVERT obtained leave to bring in •
Bill for a more summery mode of punishing me.
beim', injuries on properly. He onienrd Mgr,
however vexations mid tnslicious were some hija.
ries on property, there was no other remedy as the
law at present stood but an action of trespass—a
mode too expensive to be resorted to iu all c.,•es.---
The Bill was afterwards brought in, read a fir,t and
second time, and ordered to he committed on Mon-
day next.
IRISH PAUPERS.
Mr. PARNELL prefaced his motion, for en ar..
count of the correspondence between the Seneseh.l
of Belfast and the Chief Secretary of Ireland, %mil
some observations on the hardships resulting to the
paupers, who were sent from this country under the
Act which passed last year.
Sir J. NEWPORT seconded the motion.
Mr. STURGES BOURNS said, that same measn•e
of relief had become absolutely necessary, previ.•t
to passing the Act of last year; fur in oile
there was an instance of 10,000 i. being paid for
Irish paupers in one year. This, he thought, 1,31
conclusive of the necessity of the Act as it reizard.if
England ; but be Ail not say that some mran►ra
might not be necessary on the other side of the
water.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT stated, that though ho
agreed in the conclusion of the Hon. Member who
had just sat down, yet he conceived the evil was one
for which he could see no remedy, or at least it
might be said the remedy was worse then the
mow, if it was to be cured by an extension of tile
poor laws to Ireland. For in that case the 'taupe is
who were sent from this country would be fixed on
that part of Ireland which WAS oppostte to En.l-
- and the burden on the proprietors there
would be incalculably greater thin ur any other
part of the kingdom. He moat repeat, that it
was an evil for which at present he saw no re-
medy; hut it was extremely desirable that t!,..
Howse should have the lovers before it; and then,
if upon examination Buy measure of relief could be
devised, it should have his support.

Mr. WILLIAMS was afraid ttalt the operation of
the Act had lint been confined to vagrants only ;
yet, notwithstanding, he considered that it had,
upon the whole, been beneficial. Certainly the
hardship was very great on the person, who etiiih,f
on the opposite enlist, and if it could be remedied,
he, for one, should be extremely glad.
Mr. PARNELL said 3 few wordy, whiel were in-
audible in the gallery.
On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON. the annwil
Mowry Bill was read the first and second time, awl
committed for 10-morrow.

Lor.l l'A tat Envois also moved fur leave to brim
iu the Publican'. Quartering Bill.
Ott the motion of the CH A NCELLOR of the E 7.-
CIIVQUER, the Enchrquer 'Hulls Funding Mil N.. 4
read the second time, and committed fur to•ntw.
row —liter winch

Douse adjourned at twenty minutes to ei;!•t
o'clock.

%‘'e mentioned in yesterday's Paper the off r
matte to Mr. Alderman► WOOD, of Wanstri",
11-I.itise„ for the 110111 of her MAJESTY, by Mr. Low;
Wgi.Lost.te. it ailpears, ILnw►rrr, Mat his troe
tees most be consulted, fa the mansion, with
furollute, book•. pasurer, atatireir, ltr. are
assigned in host to MERRICK SHAW'. E•q. T.
LIGHTFOOT. E-q. JoHN WINTON. Eq. and :\lr.
liOIIIIIT GARRARD. stlvrismith. In ernes-tpience
of this the QUEEN to:A up her chit at Mr.
Alderman' %Vamp's house in tows',
LEICESTER HUNT.—Mr. D. whose stud now i 4
the bona; of the co ttttt y, having exp-reeneeil • 'great
mortality among his huram, in the veal. NIB, wrote to a
friend is Loudon, in emiwilateure of • dream that he st..l
was " seagleg iek hie ears," hi boy for him a Lottrrr
Tarket, end coincludrd wish—"be •u,« you choose a
Thsamaml, as I waist to rehistate my stud." His filre3
albeyral the order, at►d wrote hjm. " as the dream was sint-
ir►g ie ►is ears." lie judged it right to go to CARROLL."
for the Ticket, and it was ,dually driven lbs aria fish •
Prise of 314000 f.!