The National Register.
London, England, 1821-05-28 00:00:00

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WEDNESDAY, HAY 23.
Several bills were moved from the Commons, and read
the first tinse.-71ie bills on the table were forwarded a
stage.
On the motion of Earl BATIIPRST, the Timber Duties
bill was read a third time, and passed to the C0111111011S•
The house then adjourned.
THURSDAY, KAT 24.
The Strathmore Peerage was again heard in a Com-
mittee of Privileges, and further proceedings postponed
till to-morrow. _ _

Tile foreign witnesses bill was read a third time and
passed.
Lord CALTHORI'E presented a petition from the in-
habitants of Birmingham, praying for revision of the
criminal laws.
(ittAMPOtND BILL—The Earl of HARROWBY rose
on the third reading of the Gramponnd Disfranchisement
Bill, and expressed a desire to extend the right of voting
to the adjoining district, rather than the county of York.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was adverse to any altera-
tion of the Bill as it then stood. Any inconvenience
which might arise with 'respect to the mode of taking
votes, ought to become the subject of another bill.
The Earl of HA REWOOD said lie could nut sutler the
bill to be read a third time without expressing his objec-
tion to it. There was one point which did not seem to
strike the attention of the House. The County of York
was told an alteration would be made in their representa-
tion, and no time or opportunity was given them fur op-
posing the arrangement.
The Earl of WESTMORLAND repeated his former
objections to the bill. He was astonished to find the noble
lords so charmed with the measure. It was supported by
Radicals and Anti.reformers, yet lie challenged any man
to produce any bill so inconsistent and unjust In principle.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said a few words in op-
position to the measure.
The Lords then divided upon the question of the third
reading. The numbers were—Contents, 39—Non Con-
tent I2.—Majority fur the third reading-97.
The Bill was consequently read a !hi, d time and passed.
The Earl of DONOUG el MORE presented a Petition
from William Chancey, one of the principal clerks in his
Majesty's Court of Common Pleas, Ireland, praying to.be
heard by counsel against the Irish Law Courts Bill.
The Earl of LIMERICK adverted to the abuses in the
Courts of Law in It eland, and expressed a hope that the
House would not delay the proposed remedy.
The Petition was read, and laid on the wale.
A d joni nod.
FRIDAY, MAY vs.
The house met at three lick( k in a committee of pri-
vileges on the Stratlit Te peerage, when counsel and
witnesses were heard, and farther proceediugs postponed
to Tuesday.
On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, a mes.
sage was ordered to be seat to the commons, requesting
a copy of the report of the committee appointed to in.
quire into the sale of bread.
Mr. M. A. Taylor brought up the Steam Engine bill
from the Commons, with the amendments agreed to.
The Westminster improvement bill went through a
co 11111 l thee, and was reported, without amendments, to
the Louse.—Adjourued to Monday.

MOUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, NAY 21.

Mr. S. WORTLEY moved the second reading of the
Woollen Cloth Stamping bill. Read a second time, and
ordered to he printed.
The house went into a committee on the Loudon IVharfs
bill.
Mr. T. WILSON moved a clause to prevent any in-
fringement on the customary right of was, Sc.
Mr. CALVER'f defied the iligenuity of his hon. friend
to find what part of the bill, as it at present stood, inter-
fered with the m ight of way.
The gallery was cleared for a division lint none took
place. The amendment was egatived. The housere-
sumed, and the report was ordered to be received
to-morrow.

Mr. D. BROWNE brought forward his motion for
leave to bring in a bill to amend the inland navigation
laws. He implored the particular attention of the horse
to the subject; it was to extend the canal from an obscure
village to Bs'litigator (Londonderry); without it the go-
verment cuuld nut du any thing in the business. He
concluded with moving for leave to bring in a bill for the
extension of such canal, to afford means for the better
employment of the poor.—Leave given.
Mr. VENISON presented a petition from the vestry of
Mitcham against the Newington Select Vestry dill, as an
unjust and unconstitutional measure.—Referred to the
committee cm such subject.
True-Wateetts.—Mr. ELLICE presented a petition
from tide-waiters mill others, who had been dismissed for
taking lees in violation oI• existing regulations. They had
done this with the view of forwarding the business of the
merchants. In consequence of the transaction it had
been found right to make a sweeping distills —260 per-
sons having been at once dismissed. .Many of them were
most deserving prisons, having been upwards of 10 years
in their sititatious. He hoped the case would be taken
into consideration.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said lie
should not oppose the bringing up of the petition, and
that many cases were cases oh hardships.
'lke petition was presented and read.
SUPPLY.—The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, that the house go into a committee of supply.
Mr. CIIEEVEY, before they went into such committee,
thought it right to bung forward a resulnuon respecting
the cliar:e of 5,9001. for [unifications in Barhatfues. He
objecte i to this grant, because there was already created
a fend to meet such expenditure, he meant the four and
a half per cent. leeward island duties. Ile had already a
general notice on the books on the subject. (Hear, hear,
from the ministerial beaches.) He did not knew what
they meant by heat ; but lie wished they would attend.
There was a fund already provided, and why then was the
house to agree to this go dut ?—(Checus.)-1 he hon. niem-
ber then desired the clerk to read the resolution of the
house on this subject in Queen Anne's reign, her Majesty
eventually directing those duties to be appropriated to
the repairing of the forts.
fortuticititons. etc. (liear.)—
rhis was the way in which the fluids alight to ire used;
lint, instead of so duin, the 'Hooey was divided amongst
cea Liu lords their daughters and other felthlit
—but more particiitari) itlllollgal tile CUllUCCtioll of 111,11 I•
hers of patliainent ; dad then when lie C 41111.: du%ll/ to
Laaiplain of this, there was set up a shouting cud bouuug,


as If he bad mentioned sonsething most preposteessa•-sind
what was still more decent, official persons ems down
and voted for themselves against the public. 'lids was
' the case respecting the three lords of the admiralty; they
not only voted away the public money, but they voted the
money into their own pockets. Such persons—persons
who were interested in the issue, ought not to vote; and
Hatsell quoted cases in 1604, and other periods, when
persons under such circumstances withdrew. • Mr, H.
added, that the practice had grown into disuse, but fur-
ther remarked, that it was indecent In the house not to
revive such practice. He (Mr. C.) thought that the ex-
isting prataice was a scandal to the house, and concluded
with moving an amendment, embodying the sentiments
and facts respecting the leeward islands, &c.

Sir C. LONG said, if he remained silent he should be
condemned, and if he spoke he should be termed an in-
terested person; so that either way he should be con-
demned. The leeward island duties were granted, he
contended, in an unconditional manner ; it was the here-
ditary revenue of the crown—but he admitted that there
was an exception in favour of Barbadoes, for the erection
of forts, &c. He should nut go into the question fully
now; it had been granted, as slow, fur upwards of a cesi-
tory, without complaint from parliament. Besides, since
that period, Barbadoes had been made a naval depot, and
as that was the case, it came properly before parliament.
Further, all the legal authorities had admitted the legality
of the present mode of appropriation. He thought there
was no case made out, and he should therefore resist the
amendment.

Sir F. BURDETT was surprised to hear it said that no
cue was made out. The troth was, the money had been
applied to the corrupting members of the house; and if
the practice had lasted for a century, that might be
one reason why they found themselves in the present
If the funds were the crowii's still, like all its revenues,
they were to be used fur the benefit and not for the detri-
ment of the public. (Hear, hear.) It never could be
m"ant that such duties were to be granted for pensions,
&c. He hoped at least that this motion would not be
inefficacious; that the house would not be turned aside
by such a gross mass of contradictory representations as
had assailed them from all quarters. He trusted that the
house would support the amendment.
Mr. GOULlttlliti defended the mode of' applying the
leeward island duties—it had the warrant of having long
been sanctioned by parliament. Whenever the lineation
should coma more distinctly before them, he should be
prepared to meet it more folly; he should then be pro-
vided with doenments.

Mr. MONCK said, that the address of the mover of the
amendment had received no answer whatever. Though
Barbadoes had only been named in the appropriation,
and the amendment confined itself to that island, it could
not be consuls red for the purpose of being squandered
amongst favour lies. It was meant for national purposes. As
to not having looked to the matter for a century, was that
any authority for pursuing a bad course ? The island
was altered in its situation, it was said—there were
greater expenses; and was not that a reason for nut
being more attentive to their funds? (Hear, hear.) And
had not the situation of this island altered? Had it ever
before such debts, such millions of debt and taxes--such
an army and a navy in time of peace? Under these cir-
cumstances, they were bound, as honest guardians of the
public purse, to take care of their resources. (Hear.)
The gallery was then cleared for a division. The num-
bers were—For the amendment, Su—Against it, tar—
Majority, 2s.
THE CORONATION.—On re-entering the gallery, we
found the house in a committee, and

Mr. MONCK wished to learn whether there was any
preparation making fur the reception of the Queen, and
whether, in consequence, any sum in addition to the
100,0001. more, would in consequence be required? He
had heard, but he would not believe the scandal, that
vi bile seats were preparing for peeresses, none was or-
dered for the Queen, who was as much the Queen as the
King was King of these realms.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
there was not much analogy between voting pay for artil-
lery and dragoons and the coronation expenditure. He
had not heard that any application was to be made fur
more money on account of the coronation.
Lord LONDONDERRY s dd, he would not hesitate on
a point of practice ; he was ready to say that neither he nor
any other of the servants of the crown were not prepared
to exercise the unbounded prerogative in the nay in which
some seemed to desire. If any opposite. in their discretion
or indiscretion, were prepared to raise a question on the
subject, he was ready to meet it; but on their heads he the
consequences —Hear, hear, hear.) The Queen was Consort
of the King, in the eye of the law, undoubtedly, but it was
the prerogative of the King to say who should and a lie
should not attend him ut his co ,mation.

BEOUGHA NI had not expected that any such ques-
would be raised here—but in Supply all pievances were fit
matter of mvestigatiun. As to the question t nut had been
a4itated, he should not now nay any thing respecting it; ha
only is tilted to guard himself against its being imagined, by
his silence, that Ire assented to the proposition of the noble
lucd, that it was the undoubted prerogative of the King to
determine who should attend him in his royal coronation,
to the exclusion of certain persons,
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.—Mr. WARD then moved a
grant of 94,3001 for artillery, garrisons, dtc.
file. HUME apposed the grant. It was Kreuter than was
hail in the American war; he proposed a reduction of
23,0001. whicn could be elfTted without any reduction of
the number of men, by attacking the stall, Ste. It was not
a question of efficiency, but one of expense; therefore,
unless some better reasons were given, he could not see how
the comintttee could agree to the grant ? If a better case
were not adduced, he was at a loss to imagine they could do
otherwise than agree to the reduction of the grant, at least
23,0001. ( H ear. )
Sir lh llAltUlNGEdefended the grant, knowing, as a
military man, its propriety t persons of a certain 6. figure
of mind" were required to keep up the full establishment of
officers. A contrary course would he must pernicious.
Mr. 6. BEN N ETT said, that to put in comparison a state
of peace w ith that of war was to bring together opposites;
but the question was, what was the integral force requisite
for the country ?
The grant of 5,7001. for the medical establishment ord-
nance was also moved; but Mr. Hume prepibed a reduction
of 3.7001.

A division took place—Ayes -11—N3es —Nl.ijority in
favour of the original motion 'l2ll.
Mr. WARD proposed 6,6001. for the pr•re,sore, Sic. of
the royal withal y college, Wool iea,

Mr. HUME spoke stiongly against this grant, and pro-
posed a reduction of 9,3001.
The cotninittee divided on this amendment.—For it 20—
Against it 63.
The grants of 1,1451. for exchequer and treasury fees on
ordnance grants, mid 39,1261. for balance of extraordivaries,
ear. were agreed to.
On au item for Itt,oool. for contingencies in the store de-
partmeut, Mr. Hume opposed the mo altogether.
After a long conversation the committee divided—for the
resolution 99—Against it 53—majority fur the resolution 46.
The next resolution was for 111,8301. for Ireland.
Mr. HUME objected to this vote as extravagant in the
extreme. The expenditure in the store keepers department
was greater than it was in the same department in England
it was upwards of 11,0001. and might be reduced to 40001.
He proposed ns an amendment a reduction of 45501. •
Sir JOHN NEWPORT supported the amendment
Mr. WARD emaciated that the sum proposed was trot
sure than adequate for the services required.
Sir HENRY PARNELL was uuderstoou to supportfthe
amendment.

Mr. liumg replied.
After a few words from R. Ward, strangers were ordered
to withdraw, and the committee divided, when the numbers
were—fur Mr. Home's amendment, 53—against it, 92
majority, 99.
Mr. BROGDEN then read a resolution the house, that a
sum (4299,6531. he granted to his Majesty, for the purpose of
defraying halt-pay superannuations, and pensions to ()lacers
of artillery, &c.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, the resolution was
agreed to.
The next resolution was, that a sum, not eseeedhig
39,1381. Its. Sri. be granted to his Majesty fur the purpose
of defrayiug widows' pensious, and retired allowances in
England.
Mr. HUME complained that there were many individuals
on this list who might have been placed in some of the 67
others which had hen filled up by persons who had beets
introduced fur the first time into the ordnance service. A
saving of 6,0001. might have been created in that manner.—
He thought that the only way of putting a stop to the
profusion with which goverument placed individuals upon
this list was refusing the money to pay the pemions. lie
added up the half pay of those who had not performed nine
years' service, and he found that it amounted to 4,100 and
and odd pounds. He should propose that the resolution
be diminished in amount by that sum.
After a .ew words from Mr. J. Smith and Mr. R. Ward,
the resolution w..s agreed to without a division.
After certain other resolutions were passed, the Chairman
reported progress, and asked leave to sit again to-morrow.
Mr. A ItHU CHNOT gave notice that on Friday next he
should submit to the house the army extraordinaries.
The other orders of the day were then read, and the house
adjourned.