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TyTitis, 1 at.t.sxn.—Mr. COULBURN rose to bring for-
ward his promised .notion un the subject of the tythes in Ire-
Ism:l.—lie spoke of the great importance of the subject, and of
the serious and earnest attention that had been paid to it by
himeelf and the governiueut. He hoped his propo►ition would
b. received with the most liberal views. He did not expect to
satisfy those who desired to 'Vail themselves of the church pro-
perty, to alleviate existing difficulties. He should not propose
a commutation of tythes, but he should not submit any thing
that would prevent the adoption of soy such measure. Against
a fair commutation he should say nothing—but he must oppose
Om commutation proposed by those who had interests opposed
So the church ; for what short of spoliation would it he e The
tythes lie viewed as private property, sod property of the most
sacred obtain:ter. It belonged to the most important, the most
respectable, and the must valuable class of the c ~,,,, nuttily ;
there might be individuals amoingd them who did not so closely
etpitiiie themselves to their duties as might be desired ; hat he
spoke of them as a class. As the question regarded private
property, lie should approach it with the greatest caution.—lf
his proposition were adopted, it would reunite all the objections
respecting which there had been rational complaint. He begged
to say, however, that much complaint had resulted that did not
originate with the tythes ; it more parti..ularly belonged to the
tenure of lauds, to old customs, to the manners of the people,
c.!rtsinly not lo the tythes. Ty the property certainly was at-
tended with grievances to Ireland—that did not accompany
that species of property elsewhere. He must, however, here
guard himself sgainst coon: saucing the belief that the clergy
exacted their tythes in an oppressive manner ;—lie was per-
suaded that the clergy exacted less Wises than they were en-
titled to enforce. To remedy the evils complsined of, lie con-
sidered that it would he adviseable to enable the parties to
lease th ty thes , lie therefore moved for leave to bring in a
bill to enable incumbents to grant leases of tythes, which leases
should he binding. on their successors.
Sir 11. PARNELL complained of the measure, as being ina-
dequate to the evils that were to be remedied. If no better
remedy coukt he provided, it would be better that all attempts
at amendment should be postponed till time next session ; he
should prefer suckpostponement to the propuAition now made.
Sir .1. NEWPORT pursued a like coarse of argument, and
entered into some details of the grievances resulting from the
tythe system in Ireland.
Mr. S. RICE opposed the motion.
Mr. DAWSON, at considerable length, supported it.
Mr. D. Brown and Capt. O'Oratly also gave their support to
the proposition of the right lion. Secretary.
Lord LONDONDERRY submitted that this was not the
period fur discussing the bill. Unless there was something
radically wrong in its principle, he presumed that, in common
courtesy, his right hon. frieud would be allowed to bring it in,
and base it read a first time.

Mr. HUTCHINSON was inclined to give Ministers leave to
bring in the bill, reserving himself free to discass its merits
hereafter. Leave was ultimately given.
NAVAL AND MILITARY PENSIONS BILL.
The House resolved itself into a committee on the above bill.
Some verbal runendnieuts were agreed to upon the motion of
Mr. Grenfell.

Mr. HOME entered his protest against the absurd and ridi-
culous plan of the right loom. gent. He thought it would be
Inure espedient to base recourse to the sinking fund at wire.
The resolutions were agreed to, the House resumed, and the
report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-past eleven o'e.luck.

FRIDAY. JUNE

Mr. COKE presented a petition from certain persons in Nor-
folk, complaiiiin; of agricultural distress, and pra)ing for Par-

liamentary reform.
SALT TAX.—Gen. GASCOYNE asked whether it was the
intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to persevere in
the 2s. salt duty, or to repeal the whole alum tax. The public
wire anxious that something decided should be made known.
Mr. H. SUMNER said, the public were also anaiuus about
the leather tax.

The CIIANCESLOR replied, that it was intended that the
2s. OR salt need fur internal consumption should be continued ,
but that the tax on salt need in the fisheries for two years should
be continued as they now were. The duty also to be repealed
on salt exported to Ireland. Scotland was allowed tube placed
in a situation nearly similar to Ireland. Scotland was to make
salt duty free, and the exemption was to extend to all salt used
in its fisheries. And salt was to be manufactured duty free in
Ireland. Should the House approve of this plan, he should
persevere in the proposed repeal oldie leather tax.
Mr. CC HR EN said, this arrangement did not remove his
objections. He submitted whether it would not be better to
give notice to such effect, and bring forward the subject on
blow lay,
Mr. HONEYWOOD presented the Kent county petition,
praying for a reform, and a redaction of the interest of the
public. debt. He lamented the introduction of the latter clause
into the petition but he WAS persuaded that it would nut have
been adopted had the complaints of the people been attended
flo- Tim petitioners condemned the setting apart of five millions,
so long as the burdens of the people continued so heavy. They
also eintipAined of the gross misapplication of the public motley,
by which, that House bad been " corrupted." The petition
hating been read.
Sir E. K NATCHEUI.L said, lie condemned the union of
agricultural distreas with reform ; that distress existed, lie ad-
admitted, butt the necessity of reform lie questioned. After the
Whig petition had been proposed, a gentleman (Mr. Cobbett)
who represented himself to be a Whig freeholder--the truth
of which lie did not know—proposed the clause, to which ob-
jection had been made, by way of rider ; but it was the lamest
rider that a Whig horse bad ever been required to carry. The
conduct of Mlle noble Lords on that occasion he also regretted.
—He was sorry that they had not inure pointedly resisted the
proposition, coining as it did frota such a man with such a cis
rioter fur he proclaimed it to be a most disgraceful proposition.
If the noble Lords, like the hon. member who had presented the
petition, load expressed their disapprobation of the proposition,
it might easily have been got rid of. It now only remained
for him, in the name of the county of Kent, to protest against
the clause recommending an iniractiun of the public credit ; for
nine-Moths, lie might say of all the respectable freeholders,
against the proposition.
Mr. HON EY WOOD denied that the petition hail wholly
manated from the W hig interest ; there were many of the
meeting, and of the 260 requisitionists, who never had called
themselves Whigs.
Lord J. HISSELL feared it was the truth--and a melan-
choly truth it was—teat there s, ere men in such deep distr., as,
rutwittis;...! Jag the propertj they had possessed, who would
catch at any chances that seemed to proffer relief. Like
drpwnin; men, iu the wreck of their fortunes they would catch
at straw.. As to the subject of reform, he stated that he should
►sa:,v hi:, =titian so promote it au the saltiest favutualile up-