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war not. friendly to ,}li of a Bill which would enable
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• MOUSE OP COMMONS.
' . • MOAIDAT, MARCH 1.
Sir O. HOWL presented • refilloll &we the u Prisms
Olive," now. neillesed is the rules of the. Ring's Beach, Prison,
praying the illibeßnbooi aid. retreats of that House. sa Her
Royal Highwitio, atepresented the pertalior headships of bar
ease ; of the Ailarea that bad attended her winos application
for justice ; of her to get die attentiou plod to bee
*lairs sod '• Royal &Kb ; 'and of the general calamity that
bad thereliee personal, Jima/pea to her.—Read sod ordered
to be printed.
Sir T. LLI'HBRIDGE portpored tram Wednesday to Fri.
dav his motioa respecting tht state of agriculture.
evatlis presented •
.petition from some place in
Sesser, arise% die Hop Tax.
Mr. Aldermas WOOD said be thought the Chancellor of the
Ezoleequer would ad be induced to 'attend to this petition.—
By some of the papers be bad been erroneously made to say,
that be wished the malt duty to be taken on; and the beer duty
continued ; the cooing was the fact—he wished the beer tax
to be repealed. That world really milord relief to the 'agricul-
turists, as well as to the poorer classes. It was the 39,. beer
duly that he desired to be repealed It bad been rumoured
that the Chaos:tailor of the Eteholoer contemplated the prove •
'Mimi of • bs. or intermediate duty; it would do any tbiag
bat aford Mier to the barley grower.
r Mr. urrualuai said, that such intermediate duty amid
be asefel. as would be the adoption of • portion of the Ml'
for throwing open the trade.
Mr? G. BENNET said, that it would be much better to re•
move the beer duty altogether, end to impose any duty thee
might be deemed rupiahs on the malt. Why should the poor. ,
who bought their beer ready brewed, be exposed to charges
from which the riots, and those who brewed for themselves,
were exempted . There was at present an inequality of tax-
aline, pressing heavily on the poor, which ought to be re.
nosed.
Mr. LITTLETON remarked, that the duty produced about
3,000,0001.7-I'etitition ordered to be printed.
The Scotch Creditors' Bill went through a committee.—Ra.l,
port to-morrow.
The Lords' Marriage Act Ameadmeat Bill was read a se.
cloud time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
The 29,000,0001. Exchequer Bills Bill, the Transfer of
Aide Bill, ate. were nee a third time and parsed.
The committees of supply of ways and means were post-
poned till Wednesday.
Mr. G. BENNET brought forward this subject, as • natter
merely to aford him the opportunity of instituting some in-
quiry • he wished to irate something respecting the reseal
state ofl the Peniteodary, Milbank. Thera was • great desks(
sickneas in it ; nut of 800 prisoners there were 129 on the sick
list ; end there had been some coroner's inquests, and the see-
• dicta were of a remarkable mature. He should like to bare a
*nominee es the. subject, to ascertain what success bad at-
tended this Parliamentary priren, and to leant what wield-be
• sunicient dietary. He mocluded with moving for • copy of
the coroner's isquest on Adams, &e.
Mr. PEEL was glad that the subject was brought forward.
Ile was ansioas that there there should be the fullest inquiry.
The average Dumber of sick were 40 out of 800 ; now there
were about 130, and the cause war what was generally termed
sea anarvy." Inquiry was already instituted by Drs. Latham
and Roget. Their report shook be laid before the House.
The dietary was altered in July last, bat the sickness did sot
appear till January.
Mr. G. BENNET was satisfied with the et pa that had been
adopted, bat he should not be wholly satisfactory with. the
opinion, of any two physic:bias, and accustomed to attend pri
sons.
Mr. HOLFORD was glad that inquiry was to be instituted.
Motion withdrawn for the present.
GRANGE Seater' t...—Mr. PLUNKETT referred to a na-
tion which stood for tomorrow, regarding secret societies in
Ireland, it would be prejudicial to bring it foswarti now.. As
to the coastitelional or legal Ammeter of those societies, his
*phials were well known ; indeed he believed there was very
little digereece of opinion on any side of the House. He be-
''bad

3mptrtat earitanttnt.
. HOUSE OF LORDS.
istisuatr. MARCH 3.
Mr. Tankins. from the Treasury, delivered papers slating to
the Exchequer of Inlaid.
The Earl of COVENTRY (led to his scat by the Earl of
Uhefteehtir7). presented a petition from the merchants, bankers.
traders. and others of the berottgli of Tewkesbury. against the
Insolvent Debtots Act.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a similar petition
Corn the bankers. merchants. and trades of Leicester.
The sane noble earl also presented a petition from the mu.
ters, brothers. and sisters of the Royal Hospital of St. Catherine,
Tower, praying fur a repeal of the Marriage Act.
The irve pentium were read. and laid on the table.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that the Ilth. 11th.
and 12th Reports of the Commissioners appointed to make
inquiry)frato the emoluments of clerks and others in the Courts
a Justice; Seethed. be printed.-. Ordered.
Srottonenv litsLum.—The Earl of DARNLEY
rose to mention the charge relating to the supply t• f stationery la
Leland. which the nob!e earl, named the 0 Irish job." Three
years since the subject fell into his hands, and the melt proved
that inquiry had not been taken up in vain. It appeared by the
documents en the table, that the Irish Government had been
defrauded of a large sum, and the object of the noble earl was to
ascertain the comet of fraud. as well as retribution. The letter
written by Mr. Goulbtain, soda the date of the 11th of May,
stated, that unless the individual complied With the terms of a
letter, bearing slate the loth of April. masques would ha taken
to enforce compliance. Lad Darnley had understood born the
noble WI (Liverpool). since lie came into the house, that the
terms had been acquiesced in. He wished to know what these
terms were. and the amount of loss accruing to the public. He
ahouW therefore move there be laid before the house copies of the
agreement entered into between the Irish Government and Sir
A. B. King, foe • supply of stationery up to July, left; also
for an account of the quantity of scant awry flenithad to the Irish
Government for die last ten years, diatingukiakag theamount its
e :eh year. The noble earl then adverted to kis visit
t 0 1;e41111. what it A. B. King had shallows of Steens eon-
farad as him.- Having bees tbss bussurei by Us
is the spirit et gem end cossilisfait. it was most r=e
that be &odd be food sedge La a potty which had lately
sented issien inetesellisl6l6. The so seal estu=
shot the npros d u * state of loshod wouldkle loin berZ to
the asitit of dist Mum It his istodois, whoa the
peeper d wasoss wane, to water more at hugs on the suloost of the
pony sa which be alluded.
Themodat was put ad agreed to.
Aditionted,
TUESDAY. Massa 6.
Mr. Brogdcn, and other Members from the Commons, brought
up the Excoequee Bills' Bill, the Irish Chancellor of the Itx •
chequer Bill, the Annual Duties. and Transfer in Aids Bill,
which were read the first time.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from Louth,
against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Laid on the table.
On the motion of the Marl of Siiieusunrav, the house ad'
journal.
WEDNESDAY. MARCH S.
Banos REXLEY (late Mr. Vansittart) was introduced, and
took his sent in the house with the usual form. His cupponers
were Lords Colchester and Maryborotagh.
Lord KENYON presented a petition from the arthdiroottry
of Leicester against that clause us the Marriage Act which re-
lates to licensee—Reed, and laid on the table.
The Bill for building a bridge ova the Severn, at the Haw
Passage. was read die second time.
The Irish Chancellor of the Exchequer Appointment bill, the
Transfer in Aids Bill, the Exchequer Bills' Bill. the Annual
Duties' Bill, sod the Lanarkshire' Roads' Bill, were read the
would dine. and committed for to-morrow.
Several witnesses were sworn at the bar.'and the Impossos
motion of the Earl of Shaftesbury. adjourned.
TBURIVAY. MARCH 5.
Lord G. Somerset, and other Members from the Cannons,
brought up the Marriage Validity Bill. Agreed to—Alas the
bunch Creditors Bill. shah was read the first time.
MEASURES RP:LATINO TO IRELAND.-...Earl DARNLEY
said, he did not know whether it was strictly regular to allude to
nes °they house of parliament. but as information boa been fur-
nishal the members. he wished to ask the noble earl whether it
was his intention to lay on the table those donunents received
from the Irish Government relating to melee/min contemplation
with regard to Ireland.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, certainly there could be no
o",jection to withhold the information communicated wont house
for the other house.
Mitssoes warm sus Morcott ...The Earl of LIVER-
POOL presented a Message from his Mojesti.
The Message was accordingly handed to the Lord Chancellor,
who read it to the house. It was in substance as follows 1—
"G. R.—His Majesty being informed of doubts having arisen
as to the right of the Crown to dispose of copyhold and leasehold
ptope v. which his Alajacy was entitled to before his accession
to the Crowu, his Majesty recommends the house to take the
sulkiest iota consideration, and to make such provision as may
servo meet. R."
On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL. the message
was ordered to be taken into considaation to-moerow.
Adjourned.
FRIDAY. Nowa 7.
The Royal Assent wain given by Commission to the West India
Bill. • Validity Bill, the Annual Duties
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Colonies , the Manage , _
ieved
and Exchequer Rills Sill. The Coinmissioaers were. the Lord he Men cefecesee to some devolopensent of die
Chancellor, the F.arl of Shaftesbuty. and Lord Colchester. societies principles in recent affairs, in dressing the statute,
The Lanarkshire Roads Bill, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the outrage at the theatre • and as there was • motion din
for Irchand's Bill, and the Transfer in Aids Sill, were teed the needy attacking his recent co'Sdnet, respecting which be was
third time, and passed. . to defend himself so a future day—was it fair to involve him
The Marquis of LANSDOWN presented & Pbtition from in a discussion which would occasion as investigation of his
Croinanie, praying for relief under Agricultural Distress. , conduct before lie was put on his trial ?
The same Wale marquis also presented slit Petitions from our- Mr. ABERCZOMBY was surprised at the m in which
tain classes of Protestant Dissenters, praying the House to take b.e vim.
wastor..d. to postpone hia...motioe.. H. had so . dispositi.on
.
imo consideralmo the religious scruples entertained by the yeti-
, smog mat was mum towlines tee right son. gentle
isomers on the peesent forum of mimeo. The noble marquis '' a°
observed, that it was the subject of complaint that Jews sod man; he had as desire to involve the aoesideration of recent
Workers were relieved from these restrictions in the marriage events ibe only wished to trace the origin of Omit Lodges.
ceremony to which Dissenters were obliged to conform. The end to show that those lodges formed a part of the system of
Portions were referred to the Committee appointed to consider the Goverment in Irclaod. He thoodssired to gais the (Ti-
the expediency of consolidating the laws of marriage. niers of the Mouse espmmiee of snob feet. It was quite du-
HOP DUTlES—Marquees CAMDEN presented several Pe- final from the right bon. gentleman's case. As sonny persons
titions from Hop Planters in Sussex. praying to be relieved from bad remained in England no account of his nintion—(bear !)
the duties on hopa—The Petitions were read and laid oa the he could not postpone it, except on some solid grounds.—
table. (Hear, hear.)
Lord CALIMORPE, presented a Petition frotnSomersetshisea A petitim wu presented arid read heal Wert India osier.
praying for a iTIOLIAIre le &CILIUM: Um recovery of Small Debts.—
ants
t.,.. I on the.table. ch, &c. praying that the extension of the West India re-
strictions might be followed by an eq,ualization of East and
THZ Klan's PROPEILTT.—The Message from his Majesty.
presented yesterday by the Earl of Liverpool, was read, forteh West India Sugar Duties.—Ordered to be printed.
purpose of being taken into counderatios parmaint to the Order Mr. M. WHITMORE Mee gave notice, that on Wednesday,
of the House. the 19th, hi should noire for a committee to investigate the
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, in the absence of a noble whole of this question.
earl who gave notice to move this day an Address to his Majesty. SINKING Puttli.—The Hosea having gone into a Committee
in answer to his most gracious Message. he should call upon.... on the National Debt Reduction Act,
to
the r Lordships cono'ler the subject. The object Of The CHANCELWR of the EXCHEQUER rose to bring
Kmia,ge was to consider the propriety of enabling his Majesty tea
esty forward a smite of Resolatisee, esplaamory of the future views
to di pose of certain Freehold, Copyhold. and Leasehold !Pro-
of the Government, re
the spectiug the Sinking Funds, &a. He
per j. It would be in the recollection of the Home. that hp the
39th saidshth of the late King, a power was given to his Mama, did. not antici ate
. p that y would be Obj
to dispose of all Lamb.. Freehold, Copyhoid, and Leasehold.ected to, bet never-
theless it was his duty to go into some explanations. 'llie plan
which had come to him, not being domains of the Crown• On for employing the surplus of the revenge towards the payment
h:s MAjesty's amitirion to the Coen, turn property became Jos of the tsbt, had seperienced the highest praise, sod it was

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sonmendable, ulthugh it 'sight have ospeeed intanuptiee,
or ountereolieo. Secant the Meeker any object
might not be accomplishable, was that any meaeon for sot at-
tempting to achieve any patios of it ? He wu persuaded that
the people wore prepared to make sacrifices, if the reeeinable-
seas of them were shown, to resist unjust aggressions abroad„
or to sapped the national booour.—(Hear, bear.)--Sucli events.
u had takes place within the last $0 years were Dot likely is
recur. They balled the calcolatioos of the wheat, and con-
founded the precautions of the prudent. The prineipte of the
Sinking Fond wu good. Since 1817 there had bees an *clod
4rotinctioo of debt. That could not have been accomplished
without appropriating surplus revenue. There was • diminu-
tion of the funded debt of 19 millions and upwards ; of the
*deeded debt four millions and upwards; ahugether eperards
of S 4 millions, being an ge reduction of 14 millions •
year. His plea was to appropriate the surplus of .6,000,0001.
exelasively to the purposes of the Sinking Feed. United of
permitting payments to be made tbereout for objeets other than
these of the redemption of particles of the debt ; and to permit
the interet to remain and accumulate at compound interest.
Wises such interest bad accumulated so es to meet one per
emits of the interest of the debt, then it wu to he applied so
ss to enable the further redaction of taxes to a corresponding
amount.—lie concluded with moving the preliminary reso-
intim
Mr. auME decidedly opposed the plan ; be considered that
the plan to be adopted would be to reduce taxation. •
Me. HARING and Mr. THOMAS WILSON supported the
systesmof a Siokieg Fund, an videantageoss to the country.
The WILD MAYOII hop* pie House would pause before
they unwonted to overture a system which had been solemnly
adopted and repeatedly recognised by some of the greatest
ates ea hods sides the House ',lsiah this envoy ever produced.
After a few words from Mr. RICARDO, the resolution was
agreed to.
On the resolution respecting annuities of half-psy,
Mr. HUME said he wield take the sense of the committee,
and after some conversation, the committee divided :
For the resolution 110—Against it s9—Majority for mi.
sisters 71.
The several other resolutions were after some conversation
agreed to. The House resumed, and the report was ordered
to be received to-morrow.
The other orders were disposed of. NA the Houee adjourned
at Eleven o'clock.

TUESDAY. MARCH 4.
Poise Lams.—Mr. NOLAN °bloused leave to bring in a bill
for the aineralment of the Poor Laws. It was in principle and
its main parlicalara similar to the bill introduced last session
and the reasons which then iodated him to bring it forward.
and which he formerly expressed, sow operated on him to
propose this meassre. Ha should postpone the seeend reading
till after the recess.
Cal. WOOD said. he had a series of readatiosieliereafter
to submit to the Hoe* *spoilt' the law of soldemect. The
bill weal to place the lower orders ender per** coereioo, to
induce them not to apply for parochial relief--• proceeding
that be could sot support. He thought that robe Hoare ought
not to be passing Acts to limit the adraotages of the people,
without making any aoneessioo. He viewed that class of the
people as high spirited, mad not *easily to be driven, because.
perhaps, they were the highest spirited people in the world.—
Leave give, to introduce the bill.
CIVIL LIST.—AMBASSADORS.—Mr.LEONARD asked, whe-
ther there was to be say rednetiosi of the Civil List Expen-
diture, particularly in that poetise of it that regarded the al.
lowaaces to amebae/odors?
Mr. CANNING war not swage of any inteatioo to make
soolireduotioali; he should be better drepared to give aaanavier
oathe subject is the coarse of the seams.
Mr. LEONARD added. that if DO such redbetions wers
made, be should deem it his ditty to gall the attention of the
House to the subject.
On the presentation of the Report respecting the Irish
Assessed Taxes,
Mr. CURWEN said, he shield move,. that it be as isatree.
lion to the committee to remove all the Assessed Tases on
cottages.—Report agreed to.
SCOTCH DIATILLERIES.—Sir R. FERGUSON asked when
the proposed alteratioaa the duties was likely to take place/
it was of iamb importance to the distiller.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, certainly
not before October.
ASSESSED TA/ES PETITION.—Mr. HORHOUSE presented
a petitioe from many most respectable householders in St.
Ann's, Westminster, preying for the repeal of the whole of the
Assessed Tax*, and *gannet the proposed appropriation of the
!Eakin And. The petitioeers state, that it was a breach of
faith with the public debtor to require hiM to pay for more
than the correct expenditure and the interest of the debt..
OHear.)—The new Slaking Fend Scheme was as much • de-
lusioo as the plans that bad preceded it. He should hereafter
move the redactios of the whale of the Holum sad Windrow
Tax.—(Hear. hear.)
Mr. MAXWELL exp d the hope that the Cottage Tax
might be reduced • it was an odimis and unpopular as.
Mr. HOBHOIIIBE asked whether the Sinking Fend Bill
was to be pressed forward now f If time were given, thero
would be petitions against it. If it paned, bow could the
House propose the farther ,eduction of taxer ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not ace
any lowa foss delaying such bill. It weld go to a cienniitace.
and then alterations might be proposed; if 5,000,0001. were
deemed too much, 5,000,0001, might be limed , the resolution
could be postponed till Thursday.—Petition ordered to be
printed.
Teener.—lsitsma--Mr. HUME brought forward his pro-
mised motioa. If tholdinisters bad been desirous to brag

forward any plan, they bad bai ample opportunity. There
was nub error es to what was meant by the church. The;
beard such about °bomb and slate. Some considered the
clergymea to eosst►tete the (horde. hut St. Paul deemed the
consregatioe, those who were a•aemblcd together. and elm
were of the same opioios, to be the church. That construc-
tion he deemed to be correct; but its meaning war mach per-
verted. The church, is fact, was the creation of the law.
The church property, at least threerfourtbs of it, were given
for the purpose of tharity ; and if the laws could not deal with
1 imeh, how came it 'hal the Protestants now enjoyed what the
Catholics had possessed 1 And if such property were like pri-
vate property. held in perpetuity, how was it th►t the Bishop
of Clngher bad been deprived of his statists and emoluments ?
If the bishops and clergy did cot perform the ditties assigned
to them, they might be deprived of their emoluments, for such
things had been. They bad what was called the " care of
souls ;" but how could they take care of the souls of their
locks, when they were absent at I.latb, Cheltenham, Rove.
red all parts of the world ? and were the linear to safer such
abuses? Ile saw nothing in the case which ought to prevent
the House from meddling with it. The property bad been eel
•put to =Motels lbe established religion, and it was tbe del/

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bf that Ileum to minim whetioe: it WSJ eeneetinearate to seek
purpose. If it were loadittle, they ought to add to it ;if too
meek, it ought to.ber dinsinisbed.—(Heir, beer.)—About this
right be thought there could be no doubt. The Huse had
thawed the ftstabliebed teligine, and could do so agais.—(A
laugh:}7-Sech was the tint. If the legislature were to make
Quakerism the established religion, (much Isughter,) the bi-
shops, clergy, sad all the parepliereelia world be useless,
Supposing all were Quakers, what would bemuse fifths chuck
property 1 To slew that it was poblic property, be bad eel,
to refer to the Statute Book. There were, for leutamee,
Acts to precut the clergy from robbing the cherub. Having
thus established the right, he proceeded to advert to the over-
grown church establishments of Ir:laadi—The population was
6,800,000 ; 1.1411 i, or 490,006 souls, were Protestants ; there
were abort the same number of Distenters ; all the rest were
Catholics. There were 22 bishops, 116 prebendaries, fec.—
ie all 511 persons atteeding the chapters, &u.—Were so many
persons reqiitite to muse sad superintend 1,289 beeeficest
They meld sot.—Why were so many idle persons to be main,-
seined 1 Why had the army bee. reduced! Because there bad
bees more than were wasted, sod more than they could afford.
All the deans and Chapters outfit to be reducei.—(lleit, hem.)
—They were not *anted—there was nothing for them tc do.—
(Hear.—He concluded with moving for a eonieritee.
The resolution that a committee be appointed was preceded
by two resolutions, deelnratery of facts that merited iseesti-
Mr. GOULBOURN replied at considerable length. He
maistained that the principle of the hos. nrembees modem
milled on the House to interfere with the church prope:iy of
licked ; that soul property WAS grunted for specific perposes ,
and that so long K the church 'tasted, so long as the duties
were performed, iI multi be 9s lot to Interfere with such pro-
perty. He trusted that his veneration for the church was sot
• Wed veneration • he hoped it was founded od rational
posed' ; anti he therefore viewed the proposition now sub,
milted, in which ever way he costemplated them, as decidedly
tojest and welled for.
Mr. Peel sad Mr. Pluakett opposed the motion-6th subject
sou already under the consideration of the Irish Government.
Mr. DENMAN supported the Motion—be unsidered inquiry
u necessary.
Mt. HUME replied, and
The House then divided—For the resolutioa 62,--egainst it
187—majority 105.
'this division was on the second resolution. The other reso-
lutions were negatived without a division.
Mr. MARRYAIT then rose to move foe papers relative to
the situation and intoner 4e which his Majesty's ships the
Dotterel and Cornerion were employed In August last.--Upos
this Motion some etroverlaUllb took plate, lad ultimately the
motioa was Derides&
The other orders were agreed to, sad the Huse adjourned.
IFIEDPIEIDAY. MARCH 3.
Tbe Marriage Validity Bill was reed t third time and
passed.
The mooed leading of The Marriage Act Repeal Bill was
postponed till Moodily.
Loewe Betoer..—Alderman WOOD presented the report
of the committee os the petition, and afterwards obtained leave
to bring in a bill for the rebuilding of London Bridge.
The coomatterth of "apply and ways and means were post-
poned till Friday.
The Scottish Creditors' Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Assessed Totes Reload Bill was read • mooed time.
end otdered to be committed to-morrow.
Tog *Jesorrai—Sir T. LETHBRIDGE promoted sa tpetlAthi
from W. Pecker of Cork. It partieularly oomplaiud of Lieet.
Bird, an oldeer at the Cape of Good Hope. The esietence of
&emits in [relied bad been denied, end the proof had bees
dared ; but still there was good proof that such !served sou
had ehistence. At flioneyburst, in Laseashlre, there wse Nab
an establithment ; u individual of the same Bird, the brother
of the person named by the petitioner, being at the heed of it.
Its esisteuce bad been recognised fa the If of herds, with
the statement that the serioss attention of Parthenon aim
sou be called to the subject. The Jestits had large societies
in the kingdom, and were largely oe the increase ; sad an hoe.
haroact, • friend of his, bad stated, that 20,0001. were true-
witted to Ireland from Rome, for the establishieset of • Je-
suitical or Catholic College. The sum of 16,0001 had been
laid out is purchasing Clongomes College—the proceedings of
such societies ought to be watched.
Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON admitted that he knew, Mr.
Parker ; that be was a good father, husband, and friend, and
that he had olaims on the government for diseppeiatmests at
the Cdpe of Hope. Had the petition been given to him, he
should have presented it, however he might enter from its
object,
Mr. WILMOT said, the Colonial Department knew Mt.
Parker, but they could not make out a cue for him.
Mr. BROUGHAM, adverting to the petitions which he had
presented on • former night against the Jeseith said, that there
was • general impression of the feet of their etistemee.
Mr. 11. FITZGERALD said; after Cardinal Gutsier.
letter to Di. Poynter, if there wee any society of Jesuits in
Ireland, they had not the 'medal of the See ef Rome. and
therefore might be dispersed.—Petition ordered to be printed.
Mr. ABERCROMBY rose to bring forward his motion ra-
sp/otitis( the Secret (or Orange) Societies. If Orange So-
cieties were justifiable sod harmless, let troth prevail, sod let
the Government defiled thews if, on the oostrary they were
prejudicial and outrieryto the Ism% pat troth prevail, and let
south auoietici be put dew.. Their suppression would be a
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booelit to the CathOlic, but a mob greatai to Ow Protaetaat.—

'flay *MC wawlpwry. ie Isla estiMMion, to the taws, and be
wished OP ale ell laws trimaphant. He pointed eat the side-
ettiek and yds proceeding from the secret satiates called
Orange $s dies. led etwroluding with addressees
deumizig Orange Societies, and stating that the House was
willing to co-operate with lbs goVerement la tie suppressioe of
the same.
Mr.. GOULBURN eoncorred in the general seatiments sa
pressed by the boo. mover, end admitted the p•ejedicist ten.
dents, of secret societies ; but be expressed the hope that the
Orange Societies would not be confounded with other secret
societies, die professed object of which was the separation
oi the two government Whatever misobievons resells might
ensue from the Orange Societies, and be admitted them, it
would be noollected they were ionised to support the govern
went. They had, however, so interwoven themselves with
largeportit as of society, that the suppression of them would
be difficult, might lit impossible. He begged the recent
alfairi in belted, and the conduct of government respecting
them. migl t sot be Made matter of discussion now. (Hear )
He stated that the Marquis Wellesley, in Isle despatches,
bad room mended tbe torernment to bring romped a measure
to swami rte the laws of Ireland regarding secret societies
with flies of England —4 recontmeadatioe which it was the
lateotion f goveramed to submit to the House. (Hem !)