The Sun.
London, England, 1855-01-27 00:00:00

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crumpling up whenever you liked. (Hear.) -I;,;.„rero,
hoar the noble lord (.7. R ussell) city that the aii,Dobr
ling to allow Russi% to remain a gre,atliewa,r• thee 41
rem
ain great as long L,
of Russia. (A laugh.) This kind of blusterinerue
tered by your speeches at the Reform Club• r!;entpoor
ment of the now Minister at War, with his Pb
u
has been something like a trick upon the
when I put a question to the Government, an so iat
to give us a Minister'at War, it was in the lee °rile',
the appointment had been recommended 11,...c0te
and Ellonborough, and the right hon. member
(Hr. E. Ellice). I am sorry to see the noblern 0:
fourth bench behind the Ministry. L,°110:0610
and happy may he be." (A laugh.) He I'V ~, sorri,",o
in order to get for us this War Minister. gTit ittl
cost so much. I think he might have been g° 010 !if
rate. But we must have a War Minister, I,ll`_'beA
military opGrations must be placed under °nape J:,
are not to become the laughingstock of Eur°
The office of First Lord of the Treasury. Is
es
sible one, anti one requiring upon occasion Woof
much firmness, and if the Fit st Lord finds a %ore Yip
Cabinet conducting a war which he knows n° a 4
manage than a steam engine, it would ha" 004
him to give him a monta's wages and get vine be °"s4
head of the Ministry won't do it thee it ha!, ifttloe
an irregular way, and more damage is done cabo,d
at the head of the Government does his duty Tier
hon. members seated near Lord John Rasseu• 0. is
which has been pursued in the present escof
both to the Government and to the colleaglis 700
victual to whom I have referred. (Hear, be3,,r'looll
one other point which I wish to impress ul°°`'irelOti
If we are to get out of this mess it will rei.gellGoioooo
nary energy and no short, paltrymeasures. wre,d,
must do a great deal, and let the house Piadiol;
a great deal in its turn. Let them give t otor
War all the power he requires—let them Rillsoot,l4oo
lisment if he wants them—let him ber1,2„,0,0•0
time, a species of military dictator. That n 0?
a military power is pretty clear from the °dt
have been making at Sebastopol. But why t oar.
military force in two, and why do we not 1110
.9
force into the Qleen's service ? But so kro_ of 1"
repugnance to this step, that when the Dei‘e 010 0
ton asked for Sir Thomas Munro to be his see,,recoeyo
wand in Spain, all his influence was unable i°,,iti:l4,o
appointment. At that time the 'Whig sea
a
(on the Opposition benches), and opposing !,000 r
the Duke of Wellington. (Hear, hear.) 13°„ura4
crying the present war or refusing the Gover'ooo.
they require; and it will be the fault of tb° 101/
if they do not do what is wanted. (11e,arle
right hon. friend (Mr. S. Herbert) may rest -13 at"
he is the last man to be found fault With. o,tiftl
asked who is the true culprit, I should acc,,ur,, tle')
total ignorance of what the army undertec"'d, sea"/
the Crimea and in besieging Sebastopol; *Pole 14Y
the total incompetency of Lord Aberdeen,t:ly
u
missariat composed of Treasury clerks. I 00011°
Duke of Newcastle when I see him, but . fao
Lord Aberdeen long, and I must say that Ilor
him for his amiable and peaceful, but 0.10 ifo
gerent, qualities. (Cheers.) t 90?
Col. NORTH agreed with the SecretarY:as
he spoke of the disadvantages encountered lea , ye,
army from the regiments being so rarely 1010 170 tr
People might ridicule the camp at Chobao4c6
garded it as a most fortunate thing that, "
formed. (Hoar.) The French officers
..sWlfbeirl'iS;
camp were of opinion that no troops coun,l4l7i
the •fficeis of the regiments thoroughly un",:"0
duties, and that the manoeuvres were porfeTnoraf
falling off was in the staff officasrs, who 110„010
learning their deities practically. The right. "(joltyQ
tary at War inquired whether they were to s,,e,°;,f, or
sions to kits:afore with the Ceitamander-in-u°,-.j PT),
him assistance ? A commission certainly Pitlle,/
out in the shape of a correspondent of on°°
papers of this country, who had given anyalaell
once to the Commander-in-Chief. Nobody flaill,i,
a greater sense of the influence and high c1i1b,,7111..'
than himself, but he was bound to say tle
some means ought to be taken of repressing t, -
occasioned. Be did not mean to say that ''
find fault with things which appeared to h..%
proper management, but he complained tbai'
information most injurious to our army silt
the enemy. No man Was more esteemed 11;
of the army than Lord Raglan, but
North) complained of was the manner in wii!"
been sent out, and the improper spirit Ito
patriotic offers (lour own merchants 1154 h
and which he could term nothing less then'
lence. On this topic he might allude to
respondence between the Admiralty, the
Messrs. Collier, in:Tenants of London, which;
Permitted him, he would read. (Hear, "
ilth of December Mr. J. Collier wrote to the

the Admiralty as follows : t t°
" Sir,—From several reports, we refire able
brave defenders at the Crimea are not s 6 eel;
that much-sought for beverage, a cup of coffer'
friends; the French, obiain it quickly, the li"
ourtp
with rations roasted and ground, whilefr
theirs raw, and scarcely resting time, much 19-
pose 'of roasting and grinding their eeuee',..gsce°
much preferable at meals under the circuulsv—
frost, and rain.
peroAti:
"We have the most extensive plant /11
for the purposes, and capable of roasting, Lee'
picking large quantities of coffee ; being
most extensive extensive patronage of the trade for 41 •
are conversant in treating the article (the roatta
ya
Produces or destroys its flavour) which ea
ready for use as fresh as if obtained at how,
occasions.
" Should youthon. board consider our aun tiy,
of
tp
of notice, and have the same prepared • render
jesty's dockyards, we shall be most Jowl:o.3,nm to
sistance in arranging or suggesting
v lalow-coui
promoting the comfort of our pr'l
gallant defenders of our great nation.
bajentlY,
.‘ ReniaulluscaraumamgM-E; cialVt
A m-re patriotic offer than that could hardly •
inasmuch as there was no kind of stipulatilijo
merchants should supply the coffee theme t of
wished being to give the Government the bal. sett
skill and experience. But how was that off
answer of the Admiralty was in the follosvia
" Admiralty, Dec'
" Gentlemen,—ln acknowledging the receipt 01
of the 11th inst., I have to refer you to the 140,0.
sioners of the Treasury on the subject of roasts'"
ing coffee f the troops in the Crimea; 01
" lor
am, Gentlemen, your obedieiitsn,

On the receipt of this communication, Ares.2ll.
posing the Admiralty had nothing to do with
roasting the coffee, addressed the same letter
stay, and he (Colonel North) must fay glit/
which they received, and which was sigoa
velyan, was a most insulting reply to a ve"
offer.

" Gentlemen,—l am commanded by the I,°'
" Treasury-chambers, Detdo
sioners of her Majesty's Treasury to acquaint Ptil
ence to your letter dated the 15th inst., that thuin
out for the use of the army in the east is roasted A
establishments, and my Lords are not aware
tional assiste.n,ce is required to hasten the operstl°

"I am, Gentlemen, your obedient se)
B.
" Messrs. Collier and Son, 10, Foster-street,
But, notwithstanding this reply, what vac
to be the fact ? Why, that up to that time, 11°.th,
of the coffee had been ground; it was only Wl#l,
short period previously that any had been res°';of
Then, again, with respect to Minie rifles, he be!t)
a letter he had received, that a large qusuti
valuable weapons were sent out in a vessel col
the lion. Capt. Campbell. But in what mat
received ? They were put on board at 12 o'el°,'3l
packed lip in boxes, and in such a manner thsfr
possible to tell whether they were Minie rifles
else.

Mr. IL MILNES regretted that any accide
stances, however important, should have -
part of this debate, and he regretted this the ":090;
count of the particular circumstance of the elle; tP„
ever interest hon. gentlemen might have in t`l-0 wd))4
the noble lord the member for London, there 11110,1,3
feeling of unfeigned regret that the noble lneteefrply
separated from his colleagues in the present stlibiel°o'l,
Notwithstanding the able vindication of the 11°0
(lir. M. Milnes) could not completely din bid (Ii
mind that this was not the moment when el' 6
0.
3113:i
Russell's) resignation ought to take place. 'hie, oil i
with the noble lord in the main ground of hi3°" elti)
act, believing that the Duke of Newcastle vess:111;011
' fortunate choice as a Minister of War, althouf,;'o
possesa great abilities in another capacity. It net
the unhappy contingencies in which they •Were,,,l
that all official accounts whatever were regox"iifdr
house with considerable doubt— It was difficg,.cle "tars
gentlemen to reconcile the official reports ru-0.11!lif
house or to the country, through any souree„
with not only the private information from tPipPlit
but also with the very confessions of the GV„.eri. 0017
self. (Hear.) He could not agree with his 'dee pe/
lent friend (Colonel North) that the great be ,r 0 )1041
misfortunes of our army was to be laid upon t,",ot, j
Commons. It was not to the circumstance 0' Kori
tions having taken place in the number of our
they were to ascribe the misfortunes in queetielier
not believe that the order would have been h4OO/7.0
because the matter in hand was larger and reer"aeLl Ira
lie would rather argue, because this small awl' Do' r
into a stat 3 of disorganisation, therefore, if ther!,o,lA
a larger army it would have been no better arrelie4
believed our misfortunes were owing to a lorigt
public neglect and maladministration, and the,er,
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wanted was a strong and vigorous administroVs,
must do their best in this matter, and therefore 'filryir
duty of the Government to strike and spars" 014
a man had proved himself inefficient, whatoce
his station or power. (Hear, hear.) Reference% 3y/e;
made to the conduct. of the press, but he (Mr', 101101i:I
could only say the best organs of the press hi-J.4oi ri
firmed in every tittle of information. Thep' b0'4,1
tions of the leading portion of the English P lar
in every point completely fulfilled, and if hetl/ le 04
attended to in time they might have consider*gical
the difficulties of the Government. These pro gole
had been spoken of as merely "factious virult Pe7re;
(the hon. member) thought it did not become ;"0-0 1(101
this country to sneer at what the press had l'''job,ifig
people in the Crimea, when they saw how M es‘."ol:el
Times fund was spent. It was expended into re
hundreds of British lives and in the clothin :, el 5
which the Government bad sent out deficient,;,lo
Iu the face of facts like these, it was ieepos4o ellefrd
with disregard of the efforts of the press. oeet
before the house was, whether they should ee°,,bt !del
appointment of a select committee. He thneclertepi;
committee would not be a proper tribunal rreslildo
cnmstances, for it could not, in any degre'tvitneooll'
the exigencies of the case without having the, "„ ecelf
fore it. The case of the Walcheren expedit,°:
tigated before a committee of the whole hous'ineaidt
nesses—the culprits be might say—were eieno
bar; and the Government, who were respoosL ite9,l
expedition, remained in office and awaited thl„;vr
of the house. That case was not auxin ous to t' boe'dcgre
g fthe 111
and, as he considered the proposition 0 and col
learned member for lqieffield to be IlDillStr "
pointmcnt of a committee unnecessary, heeii°'
it. (Hear, hear.) , ot ca,r
The Marquis of GRANBY said he cola. ILveei,ott
see how 13 or 14 members of the House of qi,io
judge of the actions of men 3,000 miles aut .1 - fr.,
He therefore thought that the motion would
jest. He hoped, now that negotiations were "7; 034 oleti,
that ho might be allowed to state his opinionad l'eeteltd
fication which had been offered for the war,: ee,.otat'
the house that we had entered into it 63
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ought never, under any circumstances, t° ,
st
What he said was, that before we went toic°,,o3„Atir
clearly know that war was absolutely nocesser.' fee'
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