The National Register.
London, England, 1816-02-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, Fla. 12.
LOND KINNA/RD.
Lord HOLLAND said, that before the House proceeded to
business be bad a question to put to the Noble Lord, which the
usage of the House allowed him to put; and also to make-•
statement of what bad befallen a Noble Friend of his. who was
a peer of the realm, although he hail not the honour of being
a member of that house. It was well known, that a Noble
Friend ut la had been sent away from a neighbouring country,
in a manner which the Noble Lord would have been better
stile to state, had he been a member of that House. Fur his
own part, he rose now for the purpose of asking the Noble
Lord opposite it (as he knew there hail) any communication
had taken place between the two Goveruments on this subject;
and whether the Noble Lord had any objection to the produc-
tion of such conimuuication

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The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he considered it as a clear cue
that every government might send any person out of the
country who was not a natural burn subject of that country.
This the government of any country might do without assign-
ing any reason fur it, provided it found it necessary to do so.
He felt this the more strongly, as we had in our statute book a
)aw which enabled the government, on its own responsibility,
to send aliens out of the country. And he had no difficulty in
stating that the opinion of this Government would be regulated
by what would he its own conduct in a similar case;and he would
say, that if a subject of France. however high his rank may be,
were sent out of this country, the Government would not think
St to account to the French Ambassador at all for it. In this
•iew, the present case was one in which the Executive Govern-
ment email have nu adequate grawnis to interest itself; nor
could Parliament, he thoaght, call on them to proceed in such
a case. He therefore tbit himself called on, by every prin-
ciple, to refuse the production of any communications which
might have taken place on this subject. As to the Noble Lord
who was the subject of them, he lied no charge of any kind to
make against him.
Lord HOLLAND said, he was happy to hear that no impu-
tation was attempted to be cast on the character or honour of
the Noble Lord alluded to. For his own part, he considered
this act of the French Government as the act of the British
Government, as things were now constituted. It was now
foreign to his purpose to enter into a discussion of the Alien
Act ; but he could not help remarking, that it was the greatest
Inno►ation on our Constitution that had been introduced within
the memory of man.
Here the conversation closed.

Lord HOLLAND said, that before the House adjourned he had
• natation to put to the Noble Earl opposite :—After con-
sidering the last treaties which had been laid before the House,
and which /Mewed the present situation of Europe; he found
that no mention was made of any Treaty except that of 1814,
consequently the Treaty of Utrecht was not noticed. On this
account he conceived that the two Bourbon families in France
and Spain were under the control of the Treaty of Utrecht
ao longer; so that at no very distant period Ferdinand might
succeed to the throne of France, and both France and Spain
would then be subject to one monarch ; a circumstance to pre-
vent which so much of the blood and treasure of this country
had been las ished.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, there were no other treaties in
existence besides those hethre the House.
Lord HOLLAND said, he was then to understand, that there
was no engagement to prevent the union of France and Spain
ander one sovereign, if the present royal family of France
should fail of male issue.—Adjourned.

Tursos.i, Frs. 13.
TM* Bishop of Hereford took the oaths and his seat, on his
translation from the See of Glocester —Adjourned.
WEDNESDAY, FED. 14.
Thei3ishop of St. Asaph took the oaths and his seat, on his
translation from the See of Hereford.

PEACE ESTABLISHMENT.

Lord Gnamtriz.t.z said, he had precedents for such a motion
es be was about to make, and for the very reasons he was ac-
tuated by. The first was in 1742, the next in 1756. In the
latter instance, the House was called on by the Crown to co-
operate in bringing home the blessings of peace to this coun-
try. It was then agreed to without debate, that an Account
of the Peace Military Expenditure should be laid before the
lbuse. It was on these grounds that he called for the pro-
duction. of the Estimates of the Military Expenditure for the
surrent year. It was necessary to consider, when they con-
gratulated the Prince Regent on the restoration of peace, whe-
ther the peace was likely to be permanent. But above all it
was necessary for them to take their share in the reduction
of the enormous expense we had endured for 25 years: for
upon this depended, whether we should—`after 25 years of
war to maintain the laws and constitution of this country)—
suddenly abandon that constitution; lose our rank in Europe;
and become, at humble distance, the imitators of the military
mations of Europe; and from being great and free, allow ourselves
to become enslaved and degraded. He did suspect, from the
conduct of Ministers last year, that such would be the conse-
eptence. Many treated his fears as visionary ; but even then,
when a Peace Eseablislirnent of 19 millions was to be kept op,
It would have been impossible for him to believe, that it would
be proposed to keep up an army of 150,000 men; and (still
more to increase his horror and dismay) that 50,000 of them
were to be kept tip in Great Britain. Till he heard these things
asserted is Parliament, he knew not how to believe them, But
if such a scheme was to be proposed, it would destroy in his
mind the rely hope ef freedom for this country; and however
Sync% be might wish from year to year to take less Share in their
debates, yet while he had a voice, lie would lift it up against
so pernicious a system. At some future period be would come
down prepared for the discussion ; and would then skew that
Ministers ought now to make some reductions even below the
Peace Establishment of 1780. At that period it was the anxious
study of the Ministry, by every means in its power, to reduce
our establishment as much as possible. At that period the
great man then at the head of the Ministry did not think he
had discharged his duty sufficiently by the country in reducing
the establishment for the army to 1,800,0001. and the navy to
2.000,0001. which he thought should have been still lower. It
was hard to recollect so long; but at that period he lived in the
closest union of thoughts and counsels of Mr. Pitt: hut he
firmly believed that he felt no consolation equal to that of
balding (by that reduced establishment) enabled the country to
meet those dreadful storms and convulsions of the French Re-
velation. 'He then moved an Address to the Prince Regent,
that he would be pleased to order the Army Estimates for the
yen. 1616 to be laid before the House.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was perfectly willing to admit the
propriety of laying the documents asked for before the House.
was prepared for himself and his eql/eagues to argue this
subject point by point ; and would be coineut to rest the issue
es th, necessity or urgency of keep up the proposed Peace
establishment for the security of theitsomary. lu the first place
at would he proper to look at what was necessary for the sup-