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METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS BILL.

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The house then went into committee on the above
bill, taking the resumed discussion at clause 2, from
July 12.
Clause to 29 inclusive were, after some verbal addi-
tions'and alterations, agreed to.
Clauses 30, 31, 32, and 33 were agreed to without
any amendments.
Clause 34, which provided for the appointment of dis-
trict surveyors, and pointed out their duties, was
agreed to.
Clauses up to 45 were agreed to, after some short dis-
cussion, with a few verbal amendments.
On clause 46 being put, which provided for the pay-
ment of district surveyors,
Mr. HENLEY said that these officers had a legal
status in their office, and that something should be done
for them, so that without any fault of their own their
remuneration might not be taken from them.
The clause was agreed to, after a short discussion.
Clauses up to 94 were agreed to, without any amend-
ments.
Clause 95 was struck out of the bill.
The whole of the other clauses of the bill, afthr some
discussion, were agreed to, and the bill wag ordered to
be further considered on Thursday next at 12 o'clock.
The house at 4 o'clock adjourned to 6 o'clock.

The house resumed at six o'clock.
BARON ROTHSCHILD.
Mr. WALPOLE brought up the report of the corn
mittee with respect to Baron Rothschild and the loan of
16,000,0001. to the Government. The report stated
that it was the opinion of the committee that no
contract had been entered into by Baron Rothschild
with respect to that loan that would have the effect of
coming within the provisions of the Act that compelled
members contracting with the Government to vacate
their seat 4. The result is that Baron Rothschild will
still retain his seat.
THE DANUBIAN PRINCIPALITIES.
Mr. LAYARD—I wish to ask a question of the noble
lord at the head of her Majesty's Government, of which
I have not given him notice. If, therefore, it is incon-
venient for him to answer it now, I will repeat the ques-
tion on some other occasion. A. document has appeared
in the public prints purporting to be the declaration of
the Auetrian Government to the Diet at Frankfort. It
is there stated that Austria looks upon the first two
points as completely settled at the conferences of Vienna,
and declares she will occupy the principalities until peace
is accomplished ; and I understand there is a commission
now sitting at Vienna for the purpose of framing a con-
stitution or some form of government for the Danubian
principalities. I wish to know whether that statement
is correct, and whether there has been any protest by
her Majesty's Government or Lord Clarendon against
any arrangement being come to at Vienna on the part of
a number of Moldavian and Wallachian gentlemen ;
and, if so, whether a copy of that protest can be laid on
the table of the house ?
Lord PA.LMERSTON—I have not seen the papers
to which the hon. member refers, but I think I can an-
swer his question. Certain arrangements were provision-
ally agreed to at the Vienna conferences, with the clear
understanding that they were parts of the whole, and
her Majesty's Government consider themselves free as
regards the parts until the whole shall be settled, al-
though, of course, we shall adhere to the principles on
which the four points were founded. The treaty ar-
rangements were only provisionally agreed to, and the
two Governments of France and England must be free
when they come to enter again into negotiations with
regard to any arrangements to be made on those points.
With respect to the intentions of Austria with regard to
the occupation of the principalities, the hon. member
and the house know that Austria has engaged by treaty
with Turkey to defend the principalities, from any at-
tat* by Russia ; therefore the occupation, whatever
it be, can only be for the purpose of preventing
an3r new invasion of the principalities by Russia.
As to any commission sitting at Vienna, I am wholly
ignorant of it. It is obvious that no commission can be
sitting with authority at Vienna, because the parties be-
tween whom arrangements for a peace should be made
are the parties who would have to contract a treaty of
peace- —Turkey, England, and France, on the one hand,
with Austria, so far as she entered into engagements,
and Russia on the other. As to the protest against
arrangements provisionally entered into, I am not aware
that ally has been made.
M:r. LAYARD—I shall repeat my question as to the
prote Ist of Moldavian and Wallachian gentlemen o
Thur sday.
LOI ID J. RUSSELL'S MISSION TO VIENNA.
LOI
Mr . DISRAELI—I wish to know whether t y
_c
lord h as any objection to lay upon the
tthahe
the ink tractions given to the noble lor Vienna as
the cit, y of London when he proceed
Minist or Plenipotentiary ? ,
ainstructions of this
Lor PALMERSTON—I will 'nswer that to-mor-
row. It is not usual to produce
kind. ed toleinael3:bepr fo°ri

TEIE TURKISH LOAN.
I Joni PALMERSTON brought up papers
relating to
ordered
the con vention fora guaranteed loan to Turkey.
r(!solve itself
Ajp,o,a the rnotion of the. noble_ lord, it N 9 as
that, tb e house on Thursday. next should
of these
into, C Orairlittee upon th?,t_subjeet.
papers,
been in-
' Lot .d PALMERSTON —Her Majesty
fr )rmet 1. of the subject -matter
l ,een gL a
~ ciously pleased to recommend
and has
c ,f it to this house. the, consideration
33IJSINESS OF THE 110-C, SE.

Captain VIAGAN complained that tipe Lunatic Asy-
lums (Ire! And) Advances Bill bad been parsed through
comnaitte e on the previous evening in con travention of an
understa ndiog which had been come to la pon the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
of aT ;are of any objection to the bill ati it now stood ;

444t1• '4,,
but the nine' sure had only been committed ;sr.', f;;404
and the lam 1. gentleman wou'd have another 4portae.
nil.; of static n any objections he entertained.
c, 'ein hi :ALAN said that 'was exactly what he eta
jected 4 • ,
ieir. SPO.O +NER asked whether it was the intention
I of the noble .lord to go into Committee of Supply Lltt
Thursday ?
Lord PAL I'efERSTON replied that depended Much on
the couree which the discussion about to come on migbV
take. It was intended, if possible, to go into Supply.
Mr. GLA.IY3TONE reminded the noble lord that be
had just fixed Tnursday for the discussion of the Turkish
Loan. Which subject would have precedence ?
Lord PALITTERSTON--The Turkish- Loan will be
taken first.
SUPPLEMENTARY AeR MY ESTIMATES.
Sir D. L. EVANS asked Ote Under-Secretary of the
War Department at what time' he expected to bring .lre
the supplementary military estievates.
Mr. PEEL did not know that' it would be necessary
to submit any additional army estimates at all, but wale
not quite sure upon the point.
MANAGEMENT OF Te.,X WAR.
THE SEBASTOPOL WS IMITTEE.
Mr. ROEBUCK rose to move the ree .olution of which be
had given notice—" That this house, de, Iply lamenting th
sufferings of our army during the winter • campaign in the
Crimea, and coinciding with the resolutioi a of their cow-
mittee, that the conduct of the Administi en was the
first and chief cause of the calamities whip
h befell that
army, do he eeley visit with severe reprehensio u every mein.
her of that Cabinet whose counsels led to suc h disastrous
results." Sir, said the hon. member, it is with the utmost;
sincerity I say I view with alarm my own pee talon. A.
great question is now to be submitted to the ho r. se, and
he who has to submit it is totally inadequate to t he per-
formance of the task. Bat, sir, feeling strongly as t o the
truth of the proposition which I have to submit, I will
shortly address myself to the subject now before the ho u se.
First, I will call to the recollection of the house the , el:r-
cumstances under which the committee was appointed,.
which has led to the report which, in fact, is th 0
foundation' of any proposition. A great army was
sent from this country on an expedition about which
the country was in profound darkness. That army was
composed of as gallant spirits as ever left the shores of this
country. (Hear, hear.), They displayed a valour which
did honour to Englishmen, and, in mayietg that, I think I
say all that can be said in praise of thee,. (Hear, hear.)
That army reached its destination, and th, ea there grew up
and pervaded the public mind rumours of d.'saster, distress,
and suffering which harrowed the feelings of the nation.
These rumpurs carne not in consequence 0, r official docu-
ments, but from private sources. From day to , 'lay the public
mind was harassed ,by dreadful disclosures of distress and.
suffering borne by our gallant countrymen wheem we had
sent to tight the battle, of England ; great was tla alarmn
i
this country, great was the disappointment. Fre ed by
the publics anxiety, and being myself deeply imprea ied with
the feeling of my countrymen—strongly commisei •a, ting the
misery of which we heard from day to day most ha rowing
descriptions—l gave notice, although most unequa Ito the
task, of a motion for an inquiry into the truth o.f: these
reports. How that motion was met must be in the recol-
lection of the house. The committee which I ask a I for
was appointed. I hope the house will permit me to • saY,
and not think me presuming when I do say, I am dee PLY
sensible of the kindness of that committee towards my, le If.
In prosecuting this inquiry we only twice came to a d le i.
sion in that committee —once on the proposition of 11l e
right hon. baronet the member for Droitwich (Sir J •
Pakington) to make the committee a secret committe ee
and the second time, on a proposition I made on the con
elusion of our labours. The committee conducted its pro- '
ceedings in the most frank and, I think, too, in the most
generous manner. Their object was the truth, and, how-
ever humble and unfitted I may have been to monducti
that inquiry, I must say, no body of men' coul,l have
manifested a more candid desire than they did to elicit
the truth, which it was their sole object to obtain,
without the slightest intention of creating indiv taus'
pain, or casting :unjust reflections on any one. 'That
committee came to, a conclusion, and that conclusion was
to substantiate to the letter every report that had b eon
circulated concerning the sufferings of our army. (flea r.)
I proposed at the close of a committee a resolution, whicit
was supported by the majority, I giving the casting vote
but, Sir, I do not think I am disclosing anything whic b.
ought not to be told, when I say that the noble lord th,
er
member for Totnes (Lord Seymour), to whom the country '
and the committee are deeply indebted, and none more
deeply than myself for the kindness and.consideration which.
he manifested throughout—that n oble lord, when I proposed.
the resolution, said, in the resolutions passed by the com-
mittee he concurred, but as the resolution's, with that which
I proposed, were submitted es a whole, and as my resolu-
tion contained a condemnation of the conduct of Lord Reg.
lan, he could not vote for any part thereof, although he coin-
cided in a great measure with the propositions made at
that time. Thus, in reality, the report of the
but
commit-
tee was not carried solely by my casting vote,
must be considered as the opinions of the cog mittee as
a body. In mentioning Lord Raglan, I hope the house
will allow me to express my sincere opinion, seeinnt,
g
that the world believes that I have done that gallould
a
spirit some wrong. Sir, were he alive I -w
not venture to address this house upon this subject, but,
as he is no more, I think I am bound, as an Englishenan
and an honest man, to express my sentiments regataiing
that gallant nobleman. That he was a great soldier —that
he was endowed with great qualities—that he did good
service to his country, and that he has died in hor service,
aro the recollections which hallow his name in the mina'S
of his countrymen, and which compel me not unwillingly'
to offer this humble tribute to his memory. Hewing said.
thus much, sir, I hope the house will now allow m e to pur-
sue the thread of my discourse. The committee ct age to a
definite conclusion, and that conclusion was one wiiich di-
rectly inculpated the members of Lord Aberdeen's G ovens-
ment.
Perhaps the house will allow me to read they xeso-
lution of the committee upon that matter, and, as it steould
seem to depend upon my casting vote, I beg that attention
which the report of a committee always receives at the
hands of the house itself :
" It appears that the sufferings of the army result ed
mainly from the circumstances in which the expedition .to
the Crimea was undertaken aud, executed. The Adminib,.
tration which ordered that expedition had no adequate infer-.
!nation as to the amount of force in the Crimea or Sebastopol.
They were not acquainted with the strength of the fortresses
to be attacked, or with the resources of the country to be in-
vaded. They hoped and expected that the expedition would
bo immediately successful, and, as they did not foresee the
probability of a protracted struggle, they made no provision
for a winter campaign. What was planned and undertaken
without sufficient information was conducted without sail.
cient care or forethought. This conduct on the part of the
Administration was the first and chief cause of the calamities(
which bed our army."
Now, sir, when a committee of the House of Comments
thus solemnly appointed, appointed too by an overwhelm" .•
ing majority of the house, comes to so definite and see
pointed a conclusion respecting the members of the Admi-
nistiation wilich determined upon sending forth that expe-
dition, I thick that, as chairman of that committee,
it is incumbent upon me to submit that resolution to
the house—(herer,
to hear)—and that to leave it there as a mere
brutunt fulmen, be satisfied with the retirement of Lora
Aberdeen and the Duke of Newcastle—for that was the
result—is, I think, totally inadequate to the occasion-
The committee, solemnly inquiring, came to the conchae
sion that the whole Cabinet were included inthat condone
nation, and I am now about to call upon the house to yin
dicate their committee, and to say that the whole Cabinet
were guilty. (Hear, hear.) Sir, I shall divide the Cabi-
net of Lord Aberdeen into three separate parts. In thee
first division I class those who were excluded by
the =sacs'
lution of this house appointing the committee—namely,
Lord Aberdeen and the Duke of Newcastle; in thee second.
division I include those who may be considered impore
taut members of that Cabinet ; the members I mean are
the noble lard at the head of the present Administration,
then Home Secretary, the noble lord the member for the
city of London, the right hon. gentleman the neem the
and
r for
Carlisle, the then Chancellor of the Exchequer.,
right hon. gentleman the member for South 'Wiltshire. Ail
the rest of the Cabinet I consider as the melee herd•
(Laughter.) They followed. where others led ; they were
like sheep, they went in the track of the one who went be-
fore them ; but their insignificance ought not
Ito o,heltt!
them. That they were insignificant I admit. h
cheers, and laughter.) But that insignificance is Pleao
against the condemnation of this house. They lent suds e.nB:
thority as they had to the determination of the Adroit IL.
tration, and they gavetheir voice, if they did nothing n't
(Hear.) That was the support which the Government _
pected from them, and they received it. But,
Sir, I_
that those who follow Ministers in the wrong must fell
them in the condemnation with which the house willicoLvuy:
their superiors, and partake of their shame. re
this being mv case, it has been, or may be objHecetaed.s)thoap t. 13
resolution which I shall propose to tills honse_ i 7,27
sweeping a character—that it would be a general
Is that
of every man of mark on this side of the Is?etici cow.
my fault ? Did I pat them in the wrong
the house to
mit the errors for which I now . ask wrong ; and if
administer the punishment? I did not ate
of mark, it is themselvss, and themselves 0
there be anybody to blame for the ostraciseu,:oonf
to say that the
Sir, I acknowledge the fact, and true, sortvre:k
,ealmost every
e.vermy rare 3
arrow which I direct will, if it go s
becauseot bees uso I direct
man of mark has been in error, and
ich
man of mark among them ; but it is
nght not to
the attention of the house to that tioulw
th o house to
direct it. They did the wrong,
b blamed
for .the errors
punish that wrong. Am I to
the house to dertermine.
which they committed ? I leave , elneost every
is not a very strong
which I have to
Lily
memorywl perhaps, pardon ame that
Nmosiwn,tasiinr,
to the
wthiellh.tomde
;the pronositioas
one and therefore idle hiouurose.
manactde nboefpoir'ePae
tra•he
MY propositions are :-
1 -ae
' agare
wasw
washiinAlhdeclaredeel' tmust
I refer, to my
hes
have known was
was undertaken, they took no
tions
certain.
slieTmleactetwahmeeaoeatmatt
fotTrwet.
do a reserve of force for the array they w are
expedition
stops top rovi
n that expedition,
, that army beim origina,nl
about to cniploy 0
tto the task • its
be, iseacqua ewhich was imposed oti
in sum 3. they 'management of the war -to persons
b •of
whom many mem els the Cabinet believed utterly incapable
of performing the task assigned to them. 4. '.l7hat they
ordered the expedition to the Crimea without ha.vi ng taken
sufficient steps to obtain information as to the forces I,)y which
the Crimea was defended, as to the resources of the ,eouutry
they were about to invade, and as to the conduct to be pur-
sued when the army reached the Crimea. 5. That no edo-
- preparation of means was made by them for the use ,o,cthe
army, so that the object of the invasion could be attained ; the
preparation of sea and land transport was insufficient for the
wants of that army ; the consequence of which wants w
au
as
that the army had to encounter unparalleled hardships, and
itsprowess was rendered comparatively of no ,avail,as the art:
was unable tomove as the exigencies of the war demanded ; anal.
6, that as no proper provision was made for the army
whileto
actively employed, so the proper means were not
tastoiehnen.
provide due medical attendance and comfort for the
the et
wounded of the army. The medical provision for
sic
astes
of the army on the field, the hospitals provid ed. for the Itt
and wounded were alike incomplete and insuf, vicient; the wan
of provision on this head being a disgrace to
every person
whose duty it was to watch over and provide for
the wan
of the army."
(Hear, hear.) ich I have to
That, sir, is the indictment wl .
bring against the Administration ; that ind tctment ihsetu
think, supported by every tittle of evidence 1 that bas
rt•
given before the Sebastopol Committee, and it ;is suppo ,-)!1
by the report of that committee. I appeal to that repo
tom'
because I want the support of the members 01 the
mittee. My first proposition is— rePare"
" That, when war was imminent , the may le t o p
kuovai
tions to meet a contingency which they mus £ t ,av°
was certain."
I.IP
I beg leave to remark that this report was ass
soyathe noble lord the member for Totnes, and *ill"