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tls t the general opinion of the Eloise Wild favourable, it
was that wttitis the Noble Eat Iso h deist eca led.
Eat I G EY explained. lie repeated that it W:l4 a ease
which Nlinisters could nut campioutise without a violation
of duty.
The Eat I of HAIZROWRY said. if it hail heen possible
to keep the Queen float coming to England to disturb the
public tranquillity, every lionom able man would have
consented to sacrifice hi, own cons►itutional consistency,
rather than agitate the une-tion. 1% hen the Queen (*Mlle
over, there was 110 alternative. application to Par-
liament was unavoidable. He had a better opii.ion of
Parliament than to suppose they would consider the retort
in any other light than that of a verdict git en by a Grand
Jury. Instances had occurred lit witiCll Chill I.:CA of this
dest•t iption, against pei,ous in high stations, had nut
been bionglit to trial tut seven years. The wound infliet•
cd by the report of the Committee most have been given
by the bill which the Noble Eail WAS to present to-

morrow.
'the Earl of CARNARVON denied that the Secret
Committee stood in the situation of a Grand Jury' 'l•be
evidence upon which they made their repots would 1.1,1
have been received by a Grain! Jury. The object n bl
involve a most painful emptily, and if the Noble Lipids
opposite should pi tweed with the. Coronation until it us as
decided, it would occasion dissatisfaction iu the
mind, ale ady too much agitated. It was not to this Irel.
ing of CI4IIIMUUS and dangerous Olen that lie allude d, but
to all classes of own, who were looking to the winced-
tugs of Parliament upon this momentous subject. He
submitted whether it would not be adeisr Able to postpone
the Coronation. If it was brought on in the present stale
or public feeling, the joy and harmony whll•h ouillit to
prevail amongst all his Majesty's subjects would be tut tied
to discord and disconteni.
Eat I DARNLEY objected to the proceedings of his
Majesty's Government
Earl GREY again explained, and observed that lie had
helm' no argument stated by the Noble Lind., which
could justify them in cousenting to pay the Queen 50,0001.
a year taken from the public, tin• the sole purpose of her
remaining abroad. It seemed that site was at liberty,
whilst away 110111 this conistiy, to indulge iu the liven-
tionsitess imputed to her Majesty, but the moment she se
foot in England, the evidence was to he brought against
her. This was no family difference, as it had been de-
scribed. It was a high state crime, and it was the ditty
of his Majesty's Nlinistels to make it the subject of Pith..
cial proceeding, whether the Queen was in England or
upon the Continent.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL maintained that it was a
public evil to bring forward the charges against her Ma-
jesty, and if that person had abstained from coming to
England, it would have been the duty of his Majesty's
Ministers to abstain from bringing forward the charges.
This was the opinion of ninety- out of a hundred. Nu
Statesman, uo man, would have proceeded in such a case
without necessity forced hint on.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM supported the pro-
ceeding by Secret Committee, the House, in his ()linnet),
having sanctioned it in their vote.
Lord HOLLAND could not admit that the House was
implicated in the proceedings of Munster!, who could
never be justified in their design of making a sacrifice of
30,0001. of the public money to keep the Queen abroad.
It was, on the whole, a proceeding derogatory to the dig-
nity of the Crown, aud the honour of Parliament.
'l•he conversation then finished, and the Lords were
summoned tbr toduorrow.

WEDNESDAY. JULY S.
The House of Lords, in consequence of of having been engaged
to day in hearing appeals, did not meet until five o'clock.
Atter several hills had been brought up from the Commons,
Lord HOLLAND rose to present a petition, which he held
in his hand, against the Alien Act, Ile was totally unacquainted
with the persons who bad signed it ; but from its nature, he felt
himself bound to move that it be laid on their Lordships table.—
The Petitioners stated that the provisions of the Alien Act might
be applied most injuriously in the course of the investigation
which that House was about to institute, and which at present so
much occupied the attention of the country. They gave Minis-
ters the absolute power either of keeping or sending out of the
country such witnesses as her Majesty might deem necessary for
her defence, while a secure and peaceful residence might be given
to those on the part of her accusers. The Petitioners, therefore,
prayed, that the Alien Bill should not be passed, or, at least,
that such clauses should be introduced as would prevent the
evils which they mentioned. His Lordship concurred in the
object of the Petition as constitutional and necessary to ensure
substantial justice to her Majesty. The Petitioners were certain
inhabitants of Westminster
Tut gut:Est.—Lord DACRE ro=e to present a Petition from
her Majesty the Queen, in consequence of the extraordinary
report which had been made by the Committee of that House.—
Her Majesty stated that she had weighty matters to urge, which,
so tar as she could understand the nature of the charges against
her, it was absolutely necessary for her defence, that their Lord-
s:lips should be put in possession of it at the present stage of the
proceedings. Her Majesty therefore prayed that she knight be
heard by Counsel at the liar of the House. He (Lord Dacre)
V1:114 perfectly unacquainted with the circumstances alluded to,
but trusted the Queen's demanu would he granted. It was pro•
bable that the suggestions which her Counsel had to urge might
expedite and facilitate the proceedings in the important case
which engaged so much ut their attention.
Lord LI V I.: POOL could nut help ronarking upon the ex-
traordinary nature of the advice which Lath in this instance been
given to the Queen. He was at a loss to know how she became
informed of the proceedings of that Iltaitie. It wit,i utterly im-
possible to hear Counsel in this stage of the hnsines.s. If her
Majesty would wait until the Dill, obeli lie had iven notice of,
was bubittitted 10 the house—until the tint step in/he proraxding
against her was taken—lie would then move that a copy of that
hill be laid berme the Queen, end her Majesty's Counsel might
then regularly urge whatever they I.tut to state necessary for her

detence.: -
Lord DACRE assented to the course which the Noble Lord
had polnied out was, plubaLly, tee'inicully correct; but when
the high station and peculiar circumstances of the illustirlons
individual alluded to were eunsit,erell, he trusted that her :ila-
jesty's demand would not on sueb grounds rcfused.
I.,rd ELLEN littlioUtill could not consent that the high
station of the illustrious illtliVj :Li question s; ould at all
weigh with the !louse. No greater teeth:). should be given to
the Queen than to the lowest subject in the Scare; Laid he would
therethre vote against the motion.
Earl GREY said, that the H Juse wet pitted in its protcot
embarrassing situation by the tanaluct of Monsters in sending the
charges against the Queen to a Secret Committee. Ile agreed
in
the gem's& principle laid down by the Noble Lord who iipuke
lint there were pet tliar circumstances in the present easel
deserving of :men:Lull. :she was situated as 1,0 other indivkilua
of rank 'laud hum, ID torrent tioies--..s no other subject of this
country could be with ceip.:et to that House.
The motion on the vrayer of her Mitjtlty's Petition WAS Liege.
Urged without a titywou.

BILL TO DISSOLVE THE ROYAL MARRIAGE. AN n DE
TRITE THE. QUEEN OF HER PRIVILEGES.--The rad a
LI V ERPOOL then said, it was his painful duty to bring in the
Bill of which he hail given notice. The principle of the Bill
would be collected from the preamble, and it would be for thiuo
whom it concerned to disprove the allegations in it. As the time
would come for the Illustrious Person to make her defence, it
was far from his intention to urge any thing that might produce
more prejudice in the public mind. The noble Ea:l defended
the proceeding adopted by his Majesty's Ministers on this un-
happy oceasiou, and observed, if he was to renew his steps, he
should re.t cad the same ground again. It had been stated oa
the best legal authority, that no judicial proceeding could be
maintained in this case, consequently there could be noimpeach-
mem. That being the ease, and impeachment out of the ques-
tion, the Bill he had to introduce was the proper proceeding. By
I.!z r 1 eon:wind,' Parlementi, the ptoceeding. might arise in either
House, hut it was better it should originate in that House. The
only question had been, whether this Bill should be brought in
on the responsibily of Government, or by the nvomtnendation
of a Secret Committee. Ile had inquired into the subject, and it
was evident that a proceeding of the kind should not he introduced
on the ipsc di.rif of Ministers of the Crown. It was said the
Report on the table went to prejudice the Illustrious individual.
Undoubtedly it did prejudice her to a certain extent, but it was
the unavoidable consequence of every proceeding of this nature.
The 11.!1, said the noble Earl, proceeds to deprive the Queen of
her titles, rank, and prerogative as Queen Consort, and dissolve
her marriage. This is the nature of it. There are no penal
•asequenees. It has been booted not to fall with unnecessary
see en,y on the Illustrious Individual. The enacting clauses of
this Bill may be altered according to the circumstances which
may appear to the Committee. The sense of the charge will
appear in the preamble. I trust your Lordships will, on this as
well as every other atoceoding, inaure the respect and confidence
of the country. I propose to read this Bill the first time this
day, and I propose that a copy of the Bill may be Mrwarded in a
respectful inanner to her Majesty. Your Lordships will perhaps
not proceed with the second reading for two or three days, until
we know what the feelings of the Illustrious Person are on the
subject of her defence. I should propose to fix a day on Monday
next, for further proceeding. It was the duty of the House to meet
this question With firmness. It was seine satisfaction to know,
that during a period of naar two hundred years, there had not
been a whisper of shame against any of our Queens. Her late
Majesty was a pattern to ail wives. They had a painful duty to
pertium, and could not shrink trout it.—The Noble Earl then
moved the first reading of the Bill.
It was accordingly read, and appeared to be a Bill to deprive
her Majesty of her title and privileges as Queen of England, and
to dissolve her Marriage with the King. The preamble stated,
that her Majesty,* hen Prircess of Willes in 181.6. being at Milan,
had in her service one Bartholomew Berganti. A degrading into.
macy was held between her Majesty and this Bergami. She not
oniy advanced him from a menial situation in her service to the
rank of an officer, but bestowed on him great and extraordinary
favours, and obtained for him an Ordsr of Knighthood. While
he was in her service, the Queen, regardless of her honour,
conducted herself with indecent familiarity and freedom, carrying
on an adulterous connection, and a long course of licentiousness.
in violation of her duty to his Mcjesty, as well as her character 01
Queen. The Lords spiritual and temporal, In Parliament as-
sembled, declared, therefore, that her Majesty, after the passing
of this Act, should be deprived of her title of Queen, and her
marriage dissolved and annulled.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved, after the Bill hail been
read, that a copy of it be sent to her Majesty by her Attorney
General.
Earl GREY rose to ask whether any additional information
was to be afforded the Queen, as without more particular evi-
dence of the charges than the mere statement in the Bill, hes
Majesty could not he able to meet the accusation. The Noble
Earl also asked if the Queen was to have a list of the witnesses

against her.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, it was unusual to give a list
of witnesses in any criminal proceeding, except High Treason.
Full time would be allowed her Majesty to prepare to answer
the charges by witnesses at the Bar of the House, when the
Lords bat in Committee on the Bill. He was not aware of any
additional information that could be given.
Lord DACRE then adverted to the Queen's Petition, and
moved that Counsel be called to the Bar to state matters neces-
sary for her defence.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL considered the motion at that
time quite irregular, but had no objection to consent to Counsel
being heard to morrow.—Adjoutned.
THIIIisDAY, JULY 6.
QUEEN.—Lard DACRE presented another Peti-
tion t roan her Nlajesty, requesting, in the present state of
the question, to lie heard by Counsel.
'the Petition was read by the Clerk, in substance as
follows:—" 'lire Queen has heard with inexpressible as-
tonishment, that a Bill, tending to degradelter, and dissolve
her marriage, has been 'nought tato the House of Lords,
I where her Majesty has no Counsel to assert her tights.
The alleged offence is contained in the Report of the
secret Committee on the Paper. The Queen is footer
informed, that her Counsel is refused a hearing at the
Bar on points impoi taut to her defence, mid that a list of
%rime-sea are to be denied her Majesty. Under these
ClrCllllllll4llCell the detect' ilium its whether she has any
course lett than to protest against the whole proceediug.
She is, however, es to make one more aloft, Madill
that view requests tier Couirsel may be heard at the Bar.'
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, this was a ease of the
utmost importance to all who might be accused befo:e
that House. The Peillioll was not specific, and did not
state what points Counsel have to speak to. It Was con-
trary to all precede. Wet before the wools lied been
adduced to war rant the second readiog of the Bill, the
defearce should be entered into, for that defence
never be necessary. 'llse rittestion, the retort., was art
Whether counsel should be called in, but lie should tome
that Counsel be called in, and nisi' mica what points they
were to speak to, ui• asked what those points were.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL supported the Chancellor's
proposition.
Tile LORI) CHANCELLOR then ordered Messrs.
Brougham and Denman to be called to the Bar, bY
command of the House, asked to what points they la*
tended to speak
Mr. BROUGHAM cud—" In obedience to the cow•
maul of this House, we are to staie tot what points we
intl. lid to address your I.olll,llipS. It i. our iiltrution t°
declare certain IllatielS Oil the OW( of the (liteeli, Whalen
We cautul but think are calculeted to id (Once an Oleo
Lott ellect upon lite eottweils of this blouse. It is iitattir
of detrinsebt to her Ltje.iy that your Lordships should
have beet' advised to ieject the petition of yestrida)'
presemed hefure the Bill was read."
Counselawl, after some disco s'
wt t e called agawi lo speak wily to the ;node of proceeding
on the Bill, and to tune.
Mr. BROUGHANI then addressed the House. It had
leached her Majesty's ear, that she was to be dealt with ill
all i especla as if she was the lowest, instead of the highest
subject. God grant, said the Learned Counsel, she wr,"
an the aititation of the lowest subject. If to, she wet
not have to cutuphuu of delay. Had else been the 'new

est of his Majesty's liege subjects, she would have had no
proceeding against her such as this. She would have
been fenced round by the protection the law of England
gives to the honour, life, and properly at the lowest sub-
ject. There must have been the verdict of a Jury. She
would have been dee/died guilty by twelve limiest upright
conscientious Englishmen, before she was drip aded. The
Queen would willingly exchange the throne fur a cottage,
unite: the peace and shelter of English laws, %%Well pro-
tects the meanest subject against oppi elision. The Learned
Counsel then observed, that if the evidence should prove
the Queen was at Malta or Gibraltar, when the alleged
adultery was committed, would any one say those places
were unt of the British dominions? And if such a case
was made out, could his Majesty's Government proceed
against the Queen in any other way than impeachment.
The LORD CHANCELLOR here interrupted Mr.
Brougham, and said, lee would never sit on the Woolsack
to hear Counsel state whether Parliament had done right
or wrong with respect to any Bill.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, lie bad attempted to do what
lie conceived to be his duly. The House had interposed
power to stop him it was once just, and lie bowed to the
correction.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—" The House used to he
joss, and in this instance they lay down a rule that they
may not be tiniest"
Mr. BROUGHAM then went on imploring that no de-
. lay might ensue. The Crown Officers, who appeared to
have been called in, as it was said, for the end of public
justice, must be prepared to go on. At the some time lie
would say these officers did not believe the evidence they
had to offer, otherwise they never would have offered the
Queen 30,0001. a-year out of the Public Revenues, when
if was their ditty to proceed to impeachment.
The Bishop of EXETER here moved that Counsel du
withdraw, and submitted to the House whether the Learn-
ed Counsel hail not gone beyond his iostructious?
Lord HOLLAND deprecated the interruption as un-
necessary, and Mr. BROUGHAM was again heard. He
closed his argument by slating, that the Queen had con-
fidence in the honour ot the Illustrious Peersof that House,
knowing that they would not act with injustice, or truckle
to Royalty.
Mr. DENMAN was heard on the same side, after which
Counsel withdrew.—Adjonrued.
PRID•Y. JULY T.
Iwontsrgwi Desroas' BILL.—Lord AUCKLAND rose on
the order of the day for the committal of the Insolvent Debtors'
Bill. The Noble Lord in the first instance, complained that the
principle of the Bill was bad, and stated, that it would be neces-
sary to move several amendments. One clause in the Bill re-
every debtor, after a certain term, to give up the whole of
tirsuPetperty, real and personal, at the mercy of his creditors; and
if he did not satisfy the order of the court in that respect, he
is liable to be imprisoned, and is not to be released. To get rid
of that clause, and bring back the Bill to the principle of former
Insolvent Bills, he had prepared an amendment. The debtor
was to be relieved from the punishment of severe imprisonment
if his debts were occasioned by severe misfortune, and where
there was no dishonesty, it was too much to leave him to the
mercy of his creditor. He should peopose an amendment which
would have the effect of extending relief to Crown Debtors.
and the Noble Lord said lie was anxious to introduce a clause for
the relief of prisoners committed tin contempt of the Court of
Chancery; also a clause which would have a compulsory effect.
It was to give the power, after a limited period, of removing pri-
soners who were living in the Rules lead squandering away the
greatest part of their property. to confinement within the walls of
the prison. Another clause he meant to introduce would provide
that instead of remaining three months in prison before a debtor
applied for his discharge, he should be empowered to present a
Petition ituniediately after his arrest. This enactment would be
beneficial to the creditor, because the debtor would no longer be
aide to dissipate his property. The Noble Lord did not calculate
that he should be able to get the Bill passed during the present
Session of Parliament, hut in the ensuing Session he might be
able to bring in an improved Bill.
Lord REDESDALE agreed with the Noble Lord, that the
principle of the Bill ought not to be adopted. The principle went
to extend the benefit of a new Banknipt Law to those who were
not entitled to it. The Noble Lord was right in his endeavours
to restore the old principle of law. The greater part of the per-
son.. confined for debt, were persons unable to discharge their
debts. There were also many fraudulent debtors. but the great
mass of persons were really rusolvent, and must 'cumin ii) prison,
unless relieved by the legislature. It was to a certuin degree an
offence, if a nun, contracted debts with a knowledge that tic could
not discharge them hut debts were freqnently the effects of tuis•
fortune, perhaps occasioned by the iniseunduct of others. There
were persons, however, of a different description, naniely—trau-
dulent debtors, and in the late Insolvent Act, clauses were intro-
duced to except them. Unless the Bill betine this House was
altered in that respect, it ought not to pass the house. In the
manner this Bill was framed, the moment a person was in:pil-
ls:reed for debt, hue was in a situation that he must. within four-
teen days, apply to the Court for his discharge, and then the
whole ot Lis pro[ city was taken out of his hands. That pro-
vision was too strong. A person imprisoned l'or a debt might,
if dine was allowed, discharge the debt for which they were
arrested, end fourteen days was too short a term. He mentioned
this, in order that the Noble Lord might further consider it.—
There anothea point on which he should think it necessary to
move an amendineet. As the Bill stood, tie 11101131.11 i a person
was arrested he had nothing to do but present a Petition for his
discharge. 'fie effect of such Petition would be that of vesting
all his property in the hands of his creditorw—lf that clause
remained without correction, it weal defeat the Bankrupt Laws.
lle should thei ethic move u clause that nothing in the Act should
tend to defeat the Hankie, t Law.—Without that amendment
the Bill would not be intelligible.
Lord AUCKLAND had no objection to the amendment of
the made and learned Lord. N‘ ith respect. to die other points,
he should tie° pay due attention. The amendments would be
printed with the Bill, and come again Lettuce the House its it
form to enable the Lords to take a theee certeet stew of it. On
a future day he should move to recommit it.
The Bill then went thintigh the Conlnittee; the amenelnieriti,
were agreed to, and unlered to by printem
The Irish Exchequer Bills Bill went through a Committee.
Several other Bills vine forwarded in the respective stages,
and the Howie uojourned.

110UsE OF (AMMONS.
'donna v, Ji ha 3.
'AMERICA EL►celor.—Slt. \I ODKHOUSE presented
the Re putt ut the Luurrac► Elici.ust Culumirlre, which
declared Warfel P. Veatker iv 'save been unduly is-
turned, and that Alr. Rice, has we been duly elected,
tioglit to have bur n trim tied. The Coutatittre aho staled
that Iln•y bad urdeard Item) Ur: Simi., the Itreortict ut
Limerick, into coattail) tot goomi iiirvaricialitoi; rod the
Boost., is the soulless of Ali. 11 midmost., so detail the
gait! Mi. 0.. Stair to be cutunittlytt to his Alajesty's taut
of Newgate.
AIr.IOIODEIIOUSE also mowed, as various acts of the
Vorporntitan Lad been UN ugh( to light, 11..11 the Commit-
ties minutes of e‘idence be ptinted.—Ordered.

THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

Mr. LI LN NET presented the report of the Berwick.
tipon-Twced Election Committee, which declared Sir 1).
Milne unduly elected.-4 new writ was ordered.

E•ST INDIA VOLUNTEERS.-Mr. CANNING moved
the second reading of this Bill. He observed, that the
Government Having agreed to the raising of this corps, it
was likely to be made what it would lave become, had
the corps nut been suspended.
Mr. BERNAL was sorry to see this bill !nought for-
ward.

Mr. C VSNING observed, that lie should not press the
bill, if he cutild nut support the meitsuie with • good
case.

Dlr. HUME was sorry to observe, that the military
were called in on all occasions, the civil power being
deemed as nothing ; and this readiness was peculiai ly
sliewn on Friday, when the Loyd layor had called out
the military.
Sir W. CURTIS said, that this was the first time he had
heard of any thing of the kind; he had seen no military.
Mr. HUME did not know whether the HOllOlll Able I/A-
rmlet hind been asleep; but the military were in Holborn.
(Hear ! )
Mr. Alderman WOOD confirmed the statement, ob-
serving, that they were in Hatton Garden; the horses'
tails might be in Middlesex, hut thei► heads were in Lon-
don. One of them wa; in communication with the Lord
Bayou, and his Lordship acknowledged that lie had or-
dered out the military. It was most unnecessary, as the
H4ll was never more unanimous.

Mr. CANNING said lie should, in the Committee, move
that the clause regarding the pay be omitted ; with that
clause he should nut think of pressing the bill.
Bill read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
CAELI,,LE ELECTION.--LOrd LOW' 'HER asked whe-
ther any was to be dime on the Cat lisle Petition.
Mr. JAMEi replied, that he should, next Session,
move to call the Magistrates to the bar for their conditel
in calling out the military when there was perfect tran-
quillity
Lord LOWT HER said, if the charge were not urged
now lie should deem it groundless and unfounded.
NEW SOUTH WALLs.—Mr. GOULBURN moved the
third trading of the New South Wales Duties Bill.
Mr. GOULBOCIth afterwards said, in reply to Mr. Wil-
berforce's enquiry, that the investigatiou which was to take
place would t iiihrare the various subjects of complaint.
Bill read a third time and passeu.
The Committee on the Excise and Spirits' Acts was post-
poned till to-morrow, then
Mr. M. Fitzgerald said, lie should submit his motion res-
pecting the iiiierClHOW of the Spirit Prude between England
aud Ireland.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that to-morrow he should be prepared to submit a proposition
uu the subject.
C ttttt natter postponed till to-morrow.
KING'S Alassisua.,—'l'he House, on the motion of Lord
Castlereagh, went into a Committee on the King's Message
toweling the Royal Incomes.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he thought the seven pro-
positions which he should have.to move would have the una-
nimous support of tile House. They were merely to con-
Male those iIiIOWitSCCS that were in existence at the time of
the late King's demise. Under other ciicunismuces he
might have d some s to Inc Duke of Clarence
aeon the Duchess of Kent, on account of her infant Princess.
Prince Leopold, however, had, w ith great liberality, taken
upon himself the support and edictal 4444 of (lie infant Princess.
(Cheers.)—The Grunts which lie should have to move would
simply be a continuance of the former incomes. His Lord-
ship added, that there would be required some allowances
for some of the servant. of his late Majesty ; a sum of twenty.
four thousand pounds per annum, and the chaiges required
might be about 10,0001. Sums actually paid in pensions,
before the King's death, amounted to IMMO!. and he uplift-
heuded there would be nu objection to t Its tie small additions;
he should not call for these additions to-night. Ile men-
tioned the facts. lie concluded ss nth mos mg a grant of
14,05.01. a year for the Duke of York.
Lord A. HAMILTON expressed his astonishment that no
provisi wts made for her Majesty. H., had repeatedly
asked fur infortinition on this subject; and he now thought
the proper period for something to be dune had arrived.—
Ile mime:wooled that there was no legal income for her
Majit-ty. ( I tear !) M. hut was granted, if any, WWI illegally
granted :nod miss orthily received. Ile understood that it had
been intimated to her Majesty that she was to receive the
33,0001. a tear; bin as a Member of Parliatweid, he must
:ilk tin what ground the Slinisteis that noule a branch
mitthe ltny ul Family theist pensioner I—(llcar, hear !)
But w by was not a provision to be named this SeSSI 4444 t why
was it vs ithlteld at a moment like the pi coot i Was it
generous, just, or ctinstitut. 1? or svas it MU convenient to
the Ministers to star the :1",, much wits lie takeii by
surprise, that he did not know a tanner lie ought to boyish)
the defect ; hat at all events, lie %Imola inure that the Chair-
man do leave the chair, to give the Ministers time to recon-
sider the course they weir pursuing—to repair whet he 0111.
sidered to he an affront I. the House of Continuos, and sin
insult ID the dignity of the Cross n.—(llear, hear!)
Lord CASTLEREAGH thought the surprise is mild have
been gi eater had lie conic doers with uuy proposition res-
pecting the Quern. %%hen lie left town yesterday, a latige-
melds wi re made to iiitimate to her Majesty that not only
a ould her former McLane be continued, but the means :arm
tit mretiag those expellees which might be inclined in tile
olio is made to vindicate her character. (Hear, hear.) lie
apprehended that the Noble land (timid out have la en in-
• 11114 fed II) her Nlaji gy the Queen to make the etiquiry,
because her Nlajesty had intimated that she did 110 t Wish
I.ICI/Ule Its form any consideraf at present; aid it must hr
relliellibrivil taut the House could originate 1111 mea-iiie of
this kind ; the Crow it must forst aid the initiative; and lieu
the subject was In he onstitered.
Lord A. HA MILTON complained that the Noble Loud
pursued a must unfair cuaduct respecting this qui st
Ali. TIERN EY obser it d, that he had speeded Slime
notice anuld be token of the Queen on this occasion. the
did nut expect that u perm:went r.nuugein.it would he
made, but he thought the fin titer tile • a ould be continued.
(Dissent from the the allowance was to
be continued fur the ensuing quarter by vote of Pat liament
(Hem ! front the hliiiisteis;) alai also that the Queen ini,4lll
base adVallCt's Alen ass %%fluid be deemed alea'e,batry 101 i twit
defetter.—(lleal,henr.)—lle was 11.11,10 y to learn so much;
he Mid not month., wind to say on the subject.
Atari sonic 'coati k• fauns Slr. DEN NI i% and others, llic
result& for itoutinuing to the stvesal blanches of the
Royal I.: It the t..inte incomes enjoyed by them at the
demise of line lair King were then agreed to.
Cotton*, sox EIPUNSE/1.-011 the motion that the
House resolve itself auto a Committee, uialte a grill ow

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account of the Coronation Expenses, an extended conversa
(ion arose, Mr. Creevey and others submitting that the pre-
sent period Was not vet y favotiraltle to the celehraii ot of n
Coronation ceremony ; that it would be better first to see nu
ontjustment of the e 'Listing unhappy .disputes between the
King and Queen ; and that if it take place now the public
temper was not in a state to view it with satisfaction. The
contrary was urged by other Members, and
Dr. LUSHINGTON said, he apprehended that at pre-
sent there were circumstances of 30 peculiar a nature,
both with respect to the situation of the Queen-consort,
and the state of the public fulances, that Ministers them-
selves must believe they would best discharge their duty
by advising that this ceremuny should be delayed. There
was, in fact, no necessity fur a consolation at all, and he
believed it would be f( ) d, un tato riug to the history of
this country, that many kings had reigned for a consi-
derable time without having gone through that eel enmity.
lf, theft, there oas no necessity for his Majesty's being
crowned, it because a question whether or not, at the
present 'stemma, it was expedient. His lion. friend (Mr.
Creevey) had stated, that while the trial of her Majesty
Was guiug on, it was improper that there should be a pub-
lic solemnity in which she could take no pail. In this
opinion he entirely concurred; and lie also ugieed with
his hon. friend in thinking that it would be imprudent to
rouse and prow oke the feelings of the people of this
country, at a time when they would be in a high state of
excitation. He would appeal to the noble Lord himself;
(Castlereagh), whether it was not impolitic to otter this
additional excitement to public feeling, at a time when
the noble Lord must know, from the addresses that were
pi esented to her !Majesty, what the opinion of the people
was respecting the treatment which she hail received ;
and when he must alto know, if lie at all looke.l forward
to futurity, fiat these feelings would hereafter become
stronger than they were at present. lint there was still
another objection which haul more weight with him than
either of those to which lie had adverted—he meant the
universal distress which at present pervaded the conntiy.
(Hear, hear.) That distress was so real and so great,
that lie would not consent to vote away a single shilling of
the public money fur any purpose that was not absolutely
and indispensably necessary. Let the hon. gentlemen look
at their table cowered with petitions from the agricultu-
rists; let them reflect on the present state of all the great
manufacuu Mg tow as in the kingdom—Glasgow in ruins,
Leeds iii distress,and Birmingham scarcely able to support
herself ; let them also look at the situation of the sister
kingduni, to relieve whose commercial distresses they had
a tea slights ago voted a grant of 5110,0001.; and with this
picture before their eyes, was the Noble Lend to tell
them that 105,0001. was a small sum ? --(Hear, hear.)—lt
was not a small sum; it was a large autumn, when the
Illealla of the country and the distresses of the people
were taken into consideration. What would be the effect
of a Cueunatioe at the present moment un the public
feeling? would 1143 e in the newspapers columns
1110011 Eullllllll3 tilled with acco utile of this pompous erre-
mous, with gorgeous descriptions oldie Coronation rubes.
and of all the splendid trappings and costly equipage
displayed un the occasion , and w hru Ilse starviug indi-
viduals in Glasgow, Leeds, and Birmingham, should
read these accounts, and learn that 1.4,0001. had thus
beets spent in one day, when there was hundreds uf thou-
sands of individuals in those towns without any means a
subsistence—what effect, under those sir stances.
could such an account have hut to excite disgust and
disconteut% Let the House compere the misery and
sufferings of these people with the ;sump and pageantry
of the proposed Coronation, and then they would see
if Ministers were nut exerting themselves to aggra-
vate the distresses of the country. They not only
neglected the public diltiess, butt were also want-
ing in atteetion to constitutional Komi. They were
erecting additstmal borracks at the present moment at
Glrsgow, at 3latschester,aud even in the metropolis; and
file what purpose iiy, to keep down the dissatisfac-
tion of the country. Tuns, while they were taking mea-
sures on one b...a to suppress disconteut, they were on
the other doing all iu their ;too es to excite it. If this
measure were persisted in, he, ft.r one, slaufild say, that
to whatever exireinities the people might go, whatever
outrages they might commit, (hear, flout' Alitaistros,)—he
was nut afraid to avow the sentintritt , and lest the lion.
gent. should think that he might disavow it at some future
period, lie would now tepee', lie believed in lies con-
science that whatever excesses the people might Connint,
they lied been driven to them by Ministers, by their ar-
rogant and oppressive conduct, slid their contempt of
public feeling. Did the hon. gentlemen opposite sum's*
that the spit it of the country was to he fettered And MA.
nuclei] by those voltinteers that were now raising, or that
it was to be kept mown by the barracks that acre rising
up in every direction? This effect might indeed be pro-
duced lei a shunt time—but wily for a shunt time; fur
Oleic was still spirit enough in the country to lay in the
dust all the itiachinatiuter of the lion. grist. and his col-
leagoes.(Hear, hear.) He had thought it his duty to
.taste these eciiiiments, because, on looking at the escota
which had ticelliteti tor some time past, and at the
which had bete adopted in consequence of those
events, lit firmly believed that no bills could effectually
put down disallection, licCallae he was C0113illet:11 that
disaffection never existed generally ameugst a people,
except it were the cons, (invitee of eitisgoverutuent un the
pall of their t tiles s.— (Cheet s.)
House aliens Aids went into a Committee, %%licit
a grant of 105,0001. ou account of the C..ioliation ex-
pellees was moved and agreed to.— Repo at to-.our t 1111
The Mug's Beech Bill having gone thiougli a Com-
mittee, and the remaining cadets having h, ell
ut, the itoliSe .111.10,11 nett.