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HOUSE OF LORDS.
• MONDAY, Pt& W. •••
Lora GDANTLLY took the oath and his seat.
The Earl of COVENTRY presented a petition from the mer-
chants, bankers, and traders in Worcester, against the Insolvent
Debtors' Act. Laid on the table.
The Duke of SOSIERSET moved that his signature might
stand to a protest under the following circumstencest—The
noble Duke was in the House during the debate on Tuesday
last ; but not being present when the question was pat, the
fulorms a the house made his signature to Laid Stanhope 's precast
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%MILLION Act' AMMODMEXT RNA of
SH AFT ESBU Y raid, the noble Lord t Elkin borough) who lad
given notice of hie intention to bring in a Bill to amend the
.Marte Act, being unable to attend in his place. had doiced
he (Lord ShaßeAmry) would lay it on the table. The noble
Earl had DO obaereauons to make on the provision* of the Bill,
but 'hyoid merely move the first reading.
'flu Bill was accordingly read the first time, and ordered to be
printed.--Adjourned.
ITUILIDAY, TM 11.
Lord GRANVILLE promoted a petition been the inerdumts,
hankers, and others, in the town of Wolverhampton, fora repeal
of the Insolvent Debtor's Act. The petition was read and laid
on the table.
Lard ELLENBOROUGH gave notice that he should move
the second ending of his BiU to amend the Marriage Act, on
Monday next. and that the another day foe the next stage of the
bill. Ile added, that be should take cars to afford their Loedahips
suilkient. time for thither consideration of the measure.
TEURIMAE PIE IL
Mr. Mason, been the Directors of the East India Company,
prestetiod the annual account of pensions, allowances. and super.
army boss, granted by the company since last session of fat-
homing & also,- da. proceedings of the Court of Director*, as to
adlowinuses to COMM ship o.iners.—Laid on the table.
Mr. Myam. from the Commissioner* for the reduction of the
mulbjectcted debt. presentatew an account of the sums applied to that
y.
LordHOLLAND presented a petition from the bankers,
merchants. erode" and ',habitants. of the town and county of
Notlingham, rupiahs a repeat of the linsolvent Debtors' Act.
—The noble lad widths signatures to the petition were highly
"liarle.
HOLWID den profaned a petition from the mer-
chants and ins ofGaineborough, in the County of Lincoln.
praying foe a repel of the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Both peti-
tions were read and hid on the table.
Lord COLCHESTER presebted a petition from the clergy of
iCelebetter. praying foi a repeal of the MaMarriage Act.—The peti-
ole' was laid on the talk..
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Several iiski were heard.
Mr. He s, Clerk of the Crown. in Ireland, attended at the
bar. with the return to • writ issued pennant to an Act of. Par-
liament, fix theelasties of a temporal of Ireland, in the
mom of Stephen. Karl at Cashel,. deceased
The writ and learn were read at the table, and it appeared.
that Edwud Viscount Lorton had been elected a temporal pow
of Ireland. In the Noma the Earl of Cashel.
Mr. Tierney, from the tax office, presented an account of the
asbuiet, allowances. and ether emoluments accruing to the
Receive» General of Taxer. The return which was made pus.
slant to the provisions of the 31 of Gouge IV. was laid on the
table.
Lord STOW ELL. presented a petition fremthe Archdeuxunry
and Clergy of Berke. against the Marriage Act. The Howe
adjourned to Monday.

MUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, liPte. 10.
A new writ was ordered for Winchester, in the room of Mr.
Leigh, who bee accepted the stewardship of the Chiltern
Hundreds.
A petition was presented from the potteries in Staffordshire,
praying for the establishment of a Court of Requests.—Re-
(erred to a committee.
Mr. CURWEN waved fee iceman/ of seals everted to

INSOLIIENT DCHTORS.—Mr. IL SMITH presented &petition
friss the hankers, be. of Lineally, praying for the repeal of the
Insolvent Debtors' Act.—He complained of the prejudicial
operation of these acts, observing, that within 16 months deb-
tors hid got released from debts to the anal: of 4,000,000.
there being assets only to the amount of 10.0001. being about
threelarthings in the pound.
Mr. HURST expressed himself ahninst repealing the acts,
but did not deny that they were susceptible of amendment.
Mr. WILLIAMS declared, that the petition required the
serious attention of the House—thee the present acts undoubt-
edly bad the approbation of all the knaves in the country—and
Ho it though it was not required to revive the old laws, be
maintained that the acts called for amendment*. _ .

Mr. LITTLETON said, the acts bad been of very Hurl° a
nperatim , and that unfortunately, according to them, debtor
could not easily release themselves from their debts.

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Mr. T. WILSON expressed himself in favour of the petition.
Mt. Alderman WOOD observed, that one great objeet of
IYe acts was, to check the facilities to obtain credit ; but the
advantage had been pined at much too dear • rate—and
the conseqeences were so serious, that something ought to
fin done by the House. Petition read sod ordered to be
printed.
Mr, LITTLETON presented a petition from the Dean and
Chapter of Lichfield, &c. praying for remuneration for losses
■ustsined M couseigoeuce of the New Marriage Act, which had
curtailed their privileges sod advantages in granting lire•cee.
Those jerisd.otions merited attention. Read and ordered to be
printed.
lir. WALLACE gave notice for Wednesday for the revival
of the committee on foreign trade.
TYI ME SYSTEM, IRELAND.—Sir H. PARNELL presented
• petition from the Grand Jury or Queen's County, praying for
a commutation of Tythes. lie spoke of the importance of the
'abject, and lamented that it was not at once likely to be
brought forwinsi by Government. Ireland had for the fir►t time
been mentioned i• the Royal speech, without having ocdasion
to call for some severe measures. He hoped that Mr. Hume
would postpone his euntemplyted motion for the present, as
were likely to be adopted which would render such
motion unnee sssss y.
Colonel TRENCH spoke in favour of the petition. The pre-
vent system was injorioas to the interests of the Protestant
Church, as much so as they were onressive to particular

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Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, he shook, have In present a si.
milar petition front the county be represented. If the subject
were likely to be brought liaward by Government he should
mainly attribute it to the manlier in which the subject was re-
ceived in that House last year ; but it would be desirable to
know whether any conciliatory measures were in contemplation.
Whatever Was dome be hoped the rights.nf the church would
Ise retuned;—it bad moat to ha* haat reritatraace is..

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Mr. GOOLAHRN , ilkwutd , iDeonveniest‘ead nu.
ceasary to IS istio Gm .quatimillOW• The Government of Le-
land had been sedulously antabos to move those veils that
were complaiued of; and he would add, that a measure on the
subject was Ls a very forward. Wale, and that. on an early day,
he hoped to be able to submit it to the House.
Mr. S. RICE wished the right lion. gent. hid been a little
more explicit. The me f lut jeer they knew ; and what
good bad been dose t—Such was the state of Ireland, the
rights of the church and the [MeV could not be preserved, with
decided reform on this subject. Except they bid some better
idea of what was contemplated, he hoped his ben. friend (Mr.
Hume) would not postpone his motion for an boar. If they
had not some explicit answer the sooner the )?roceeded ad-
versely the better; war mighty wrinkle dulareo atones.
Mr. Secretary PEEL expressea his regreast the morllke cha-
racter of the just delivered. it bad bees that a
srfich
measure was ly ready ; more could not beout
prejudice to the station.
Mr. HUME said, so far from censoring the warlike language.
that it was impossible to think or speak on this 'object without
warmth. The *unatlensen opposite bat possessed the Govern-
meat of Ireland for 2i years, and, though this bad been a cryiag
evil, *bat bed they dose? Nothing ; nor had the right bon.
hos. gent. (Mr. Peel) dose any thing, The government bud
thought of, as a remedy. an equitable rate to support the church.
That be should resist. He was for making the church property
support the church—property that would produce upwards of
four minims a year if properly mewled. That most be used
before he could acquiesce in imposing say new tax to support •
the chords is Ireland. He could sot ousest to postpone the
motion of which Ise had give. notice.
Alf. Secretary PEEL said, that possibly ibis week would sot
elapse before polies would be given of the Government's mea-
sure of a commutation of tythes.
Mr. S. RICE was glad to hear of & measure for the .• com-
mutation" of tythes; that was the word be wanted to bear from
as official person.
Ms. GOULBURN said his mauve was %%promote a " coin-
mulattos" of tythes.—(Hear.)
Petition ordered to lie on the table.
A new writ wu ordered for Fermanagh, is the room of Sir
S. Cole.
Lord A. HAMILTON observed. that his notice was foe
March IL on the subject of the Scotch rep ratios.
Mr. PEST. presented his Majesty answer to the address.
Mr. GREN FELL moved for returns of bank notes, bank
post bills. &c. sow in circulation—of exports sod import, of
copper, &c.
Mr. WHITMORE postponed his motion to the 26tb inst.
respecting the corn laws.
Lord 110THAM gave notice, that be Amid to-morrow move
that the House be called over whenever the Catholic claims

came on robe dimisited.
Mr. COMMA% gave notice, that to-morrow he should
move for leave to bring in a hill to reduce the Irish staff.
Returns of grain warehoused were ordered to be laid before
the House.
MABERLEY, in Moving for papers,
said, that tames to the amount of sic or seven millions might
be repealed with advantage to the public credit. The Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer midd intend to repeal to the amount
of len millions—it might be safely done ; but he bad only to
ask of gentlemen opposite not to pledge themselves to the
Government till they should have beard him as well as the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. (Hear.) Amongst the various
papers he should move for would be returns to show the state of
the income of the country, and the operation of taxes ; notwith-
standing the diminution of taxes, the taxation, instead of being
about 15 per cent. now was in the ratio of MI per cent. (Hear.)
A 4 to the occupiers of the soil, their means were gone ; he be-
lieved that where rents were paid, thew were paid out of ca-
pital. The reduction of two'or three millions of taxes would
not he sufficient ; JI the sssss sed taxes ought to be reduced.—
It vu a species of intrume tax. Ile pledged himself to show
that lazes tattle amount of 9,000,0001: might be forthwith. re-
duced. He concluded with moving for a series of returns. of
of the assessed taxes, property taii,.Stc.
Mr. P. GRENFELL asked whether the hon. member had it
in contemplation to propose any renewal of the property or
income tat ! There bad been some rumour on the subject out
of doors. _ .

Mr. MABERLEY instantly replied ins the negative he
should propose the total repeal of the assessed taxes, but he
had no substitutes to propose.—Papers ordered.
Mr. HUME moved that various accounts presented that day,
respecting the sinkiii,t fund, be printed, expressing his regret
that the farce and delusion should still exist.
Mr. GRENFELL said there was a pledge last session to
revise the system, to bare the account embracing surplus of
income end expenditure.
Mr. LUSHINGTON slid it was the intention of Govern-
ment to realise such pledge.
The LORD MAYOR defended the system of the sinking
fund—a system that had enabled us to meet the enemy, and
that had been copied fn Aunties' and France, and in all repre-
sentative governments.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said the speech just uttered had given
unmerited importance to the subject. What was to be done
was to simplify the question.
Mr. MABEILLEY was glad to beat dine mach, for a more
tricking fund did not exist ; if all were paid off, there was not
one farthieg belonging to the fund. Papers ordered to be
printed.
Mr. LUSHINGTON moved that the usual annual finance
accounts be presented.
NATIONAL LIBRARIES.—Lord J. RUSSELL cap d the
hope that, to promote the interests of literature, there would he
• building appropriate fur such purpose, to receive the library
presented by the King to the nation, he.
Mr. PEEL acknowledged tilt his Majesty had presented the
library as represented ; but said, that nothing had been deter-
mined about a new building.
Mr. W ILMOT moved fur various returns about the colonies.
Mr. W total' moved for an !wheal of the value of iner-
eltandise exported to the East and West Indies ; merchandise
rc-esported, Ati .
Mr. BROGDEN presented the report of the expiring laws
cummittee.—Ordered to he printed.
Tae remaining business having been disposed of, the House
adjourned.
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TUESDAY, FEB. 11.

A eew writ was ordered for Arundel in the room of 'Mr.
Blake, deceased.
Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from ►he merchants
sod traders of Wolverhampton against the insolvent Debtors'
Act.

Alter tame remarks from Lord Althorp and Mr. Hurst, it
was read and ordered to be printed.
Gee. SASCOYNE presented a petition from some merebastP,

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lighting of Plymouth with
gas. Also referre'd to * committee.
Lord HOTHAM moved, that on the 20th inst. the Honer
be called over. with the view of securing the fullest possible
attendance ea the disouseiets of the Catholic question.--
agreed to,
Lard ALTHORP gave notice that on this day se'nnight he
shoo!d submit a mistier' for the more effectual recovery of
small debts.
Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a pathless, complaining of am
ends, return for .Sligo.—Ordered to be taken into cossideiedow
on Thursday, March 13.
IRELAND.—Mr. GOULBURN moved for leave to bring is re
bill to continue and amend the Irish Yeomanry Act.
Mr. HU3IE wished to know whether the Constable Aet
would not render the Yeomanry unnecessary. He had under-
stood that the corps mainly consisted of " Orangemen ;. so that
whenever they were called eat, they increased rather theta di-
minielied the difficulties they were required to suppress.. If
the yeomanry were to be continued be hoped the repents would
not be so great; for, according to the returns, akar* were
put on pensions if they required to retire, or.if others eremite
be promoted, although the pensioned parties wereasltealthy as
he was. This was a moat shAnseful abase. Some esspeiry
might to take pl ,ce, especially into the *spent* of sesusiaat.
brigade majors. He hoped would not be allowed to
pass till the House knew why eerie** individuals bad been
placed on the half-pay list so shamefully.
Mr. GOULBURN could not reply tench details new ;they
more properly belonged to the discussions with, ens, estiametme.
—lf, however, those matters were to be discussed res the bill,
Ise should berealtee be prepared to meet the ipostiee ; end he
thought be shoe ht ha able to give each expbuiatieste as woad/
be satisfactory.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE thought these matters ought to be
discussed before the hill was allowed to pass.—Bet he hatt•
viewed the case with much eexiety, recollecting the promise
critical and alarming state of Ireland ; for these yammer, hod.
so conducted themselves as to make themselves viewed wish
suspicion. He trusted that the House would sot berry this.
bill, because when the Attorney General (Mr. Plaskett) arrived.
be felt that. such individual would lose no time is subanittieg
to the Howse some account of the present preemie's- etude or
Ireland. He did not know that such would be the ease;
he-
only.felt that such was likely to be the resell. The conditions"
of unfortunate, unhappy Ireland was such as is give rise to the
greatesialarst, and he considered that it was due to the people.
of
Ireland, that their case should be submitted to the Perlis-
, Mee L—(Hesr.)
Mr. GOULBURN did not desire to hurry the bill through.
the Meese; be only wished that the measures relating to lrm
heed should be ow the table of the House as early es possible.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD must enter his protest against the
gassed sweeping censure directed leggiest all the yeomanry of
'island. Their services bad been illustrious in manyiestarreem.
—As to the yeomeney universal y, eonsbiting of " Menem's,'
it was not the ease ; the Clare yeomanry had not many Prot**
seta le it—certainly not any Orangemen. In the south of In.
heed, he was persuaded there were very few Orangemen is the-
its
corps.. With respect to the state of Ireland, he felt
iti importance as much as env men ; bat the question would he
—ought sot the yeomanry to be continued
Mr. S. RICE observed, that the vindication of the South of
Ireland did not altogether refute the force of what had been
said; there were 30,000 yeomanry, and of them 20,000 were
I. the province of Ulster. The Orange processions, miniver-
' series, arc. ought to be prohibited; and, if such proceedings.
imeld not be prevented, he hoped that in this bill care would
be taken to prevent persons with arms in their heeds, being:
engaged-. in such processions and celebratiess. The modes
agreed to..
Mr. GOULBURN, in moving for leave to bring in a bill to
continue the Irish Arms Act, said, that care would be taken to
prevent arms from being put into bands of improper persoes.—
Motion agreed to.
Mr. F. LEWIS moved for leave to bring in a bill to mewl
the General Turnpike Act.—Agreed to.
WINDOW TAI.—Mr. HOBHOUSE gave notice, that after
the Easter recess he should resew his motion for the repeal of
the Window Tax, provided there was so war, and that the re-
peal of the whole or part of the amassed taxes should not rea-
der each motion unnecessary.
Mr. HUME wished to aseertaimhow mach, it any, of the
Russian Dutch loan, in 1814, bad been repaid; and with the
view of ascertaining the fact, he moved for accounts of such
loan, interest, etc.—Agreed to.
CROWN LANDS, IRELAND.—Mr. HUME mewed for a copy
of the commissioners report respecting this crown lards asti
quit rents in Ireland. Recently some reports had been made ;
be wished them to be submitted to the House. He sboolit
hereafter propose that those crown lands be sold to pay off. the
debt ; they produced 63,0001. a year, hat if sold they would
produce 2,000,0001. He expressed astonishment that the tri-
ennial report of the crown lauds bad sot been submitted to the
House , those lands he should also propose to be mid for the
public benefit. They were now used to promote corrupt pa-
tronage. lie concluded with moving for the Irish reports.
Mr. HUME then moved for the produce of sales of quit
reefs, and for a series of aueounts respecting the Vice Treasurer
and his Orem
SUPPLY.—Mr. LUSHINGTON moved that proportions of
his Majesty's speech relating to the supply be referred to •
committee to-morrow.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether they might have, with-
out waiting fur the custeniary estimates, the items of the con-
templated reductions?
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, the forms of the House would net
permit him to comply ; they were the items on which he should
have to submit motions. Committee to-morrow ordered.
M. W. SMITH moved for accounts of extents in aid issued.
—Ordered.
Mr. S. RICE moved for returns of sums issued by the come
missioners in Ireland for the employment of the poor.—
Ordered.

Mr. LUSHINGTON moved for an extensive series of returns
of sugar, coffee, and rums imported, ho.—Ordered.
The House went into a committee on the West India Train
Ad.—Report to-morrow.
SCOTCH CLERGY.-Mr. HUME gave notice, that to-morrow
be should move for returns of the stipends of the Swatch 'ler',
in 1750 and in 1822.
Some Finance papers having bees presented, the Howie
adjourned.
WEDNESDAY, FEB. 12.
Mr. Canning and Mr. Ilerries, the new members for Harwich,
took the oaths sod their 11C114. Mr. C. on entering the House,
proceeded forthwith and took his Neat on the treasury beach.
without waiting for the customary introduction and oaths—a
form of etiquette that occasion:ll considerable laughter =mega
the members present.

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