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Uidess, as 'tis rumoured, that he is retained by the Dissenters, Lc took
the test oath like the rest of us—and to say as he has done!"—
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY said, that the assertion of his being retained
for the Dissenters was unfounded. Let the Hon. Gentleman be com-
forted, for he was educated strictly according t the Established
Church, and never set his foot in a Dissenting Chap.-I, even from curi-
osity.
FULLER.—" Well, then I compliment the Hon. Gentleman on
the extraordi- .ry feelings he has got."—(Oreier !from Mc Chair.)
Mr. WM. tisti tit said, he was one of the few Persons admitted within
the walls of the House of Commons, who acknowledged Lab eonst..nt
attendance at a Dissenting Chapel, but let the Hon. Gentleman be coin-
forted, there was nothing in the oath to prevent a Dist', tver from
bein; a Member of Parliament, though he could not be 'a Justice of
Peace or an Officer of Excise.

Mr. FULLER, in explanation, said, he had understood that the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman (Sir S. Rumilly) had undertaken Po defend the .
cause of the Dissenters in that House ; if he haJ hezla misinformed, he
was sorry for it, and was very re:.dy to beg his pardon; but be must
say—(Here o general cpy of Order 1 ()vier ! Spoke! Spoke! obliged
the Hon. Mesn6er to sit down)
The CHANCELLOR of the llxonrcoxa considered this motion calm-

lated to mislead the I•louse, and the !it lion. Gentleman called upon
them to girt., what he might call, a bind vote; this might be very
good Parliamentary tactics, because it might
_catch some votes, but
was it to go out to the peeele of Inland to misguide and mislead
them, that a majority of that Ho; se vatte decided in favour ut cer-
tain concessions to the Catholics? An to tl:c titeetion itself, he was
of opinion, that it was not a reilgiotee bet a political qaestion, and
was only to be discussed as a (111! s ion of pulley and t xpidiency. But
'some seemed to argue it as a question of .rieht, and the Catholics
themselves claimed it as matter of right, but in what deo. • !:t cenaist-
ed he waa s;iil at a to knew, for from all the argun'ri -s he had
heard, he was not able to collact v.•here :hat right lay. The el:111Th
of England %vz.s a Pcotemaet Church, the Government was a Pretestaa t
Government, the Parlianteet was a Protestant Parliament, aid were
they now to introduce Catholic' among them. But if they were to
make these coat-eel:ewe wlett were the evivalents ie rater!! ; weee
t' ley not to have some security ? laird ore:evilly was formerly of opi-
nion, that no concessian should be made without some security; nor
had he heard that the Noble Lord had altered his opinion. But now
they were to make all concession, while the Catholics were to make
mine. But will the Catholics grant the veto ? Oh no, say the Hen.
Gentlemen on the opp: ,ite side of the House, " You have rejected the
veto." Gentlemen seemed to forget every thing but their own speeches
on this point. Did Gentlemen recollect that it was the Catholics then -
selves rejected it, lay their Bishops, sent over to this country, and aftc
wards sanctiolind by tie approbation of the Catholics at large. Thais
agent, Dr. Milner, had del trod, that they never could grant the veto
while he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was at the head of the Go-
vernment; and while he reelained keinister, he should rather stiffer
martyrdom than grant him the vele. lie did not think he was so witch
Protestant, that while he wax Minister the Rev. Gent. would rather
suffer martyrdom than erent the veto. He never meant to discuss this
question upon the principle, of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic
Religion, but merely upon the principles of policy and expediency.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then alluded to a Book 66 Truclaitts dio
desia," published by the Printer of the College of Maynooth, and prin-
ted ifor the use of the -tudents there, in which it was laid down, that
the Councils were The Councils referred to in that book.
were, the Four Lateran Councils, and the Council of Trent ; the latter
of which contained all the obnoxious doctrines promulgated in the
former; yet that was recommended to the Students as the doctrine
which they should adopt as the manual of their faith. He would put
it to the House to say, whether, if the Catholics were inclined to give
up those tenets so oboux ious and se dangerous to the Established Church,
the Priests would put into the hands of these youth entrusted to their
care for education, a book, declaring these doctrines to be inaaliele,
and recommending it to be adopted by them as the manual of tle.i
faith—(Cries hear, bane I) He next advei tea to, and commented
upon, the publications of Dr. O'Connor and Mr. Keough, front which
he contended, that even relinquishing the retot and granting the coo-
cessions the Roman Catholics now asked, the Catholics of trailed
would not be satisfied; we must give them the Establishment itself, we
must give to their Bishops the Bishopricks to which they were Ito-
initially appointed, and to their Priests the Rectors stalls ; we must
give them every thing or they would not lie satisfied with any thing,
Was it because we would not take from them that which they bad
got, that we were now to give them every thing they asked ? lie asked,
was there a Bishoprick in Ireland to which they had not appointed
a Bishop ? or a Parish to w ich they had not appeinted a Priest ? all
ready to fill those situations, the moment the opportunity offered, and
were Gentlemen erepared to make them concessions to that extent ?
An Hon. Gentleman (Mr. W. Smith) would concede to their Clergy
a full participation in the Cottrell; would not this be robbing the
Church, and would it not be a violation of one of the article, of IJeleo,
which bound them to protect the interests of the Church? It was very
well known, that in several counties in Ireland, the Roman Catholic
freeholders had come to certain resolutions respecting the manner t f
voting for their representatives, and only to support those who att.