The National Register.
London, England, 1819-02-07 00:00:00

TUESDAY.

The Earl of LivaaPout. war to move fur a Committee to
enliutie into tier ,tale els the Beata of England, with rc.pect
ito cnr.u,l:i) et rtiNminung cdsu-pg)menti. He eats frer to
noofe.s th.at tiv 114,1 alv.isys witlicia to hive reverted to 011 l
ancient policy et:haul the ticebet,y alit:boning to an enquiry
into the whirl watt harm been predictive or

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lunch inconvenience. Bat as that conblatot be close, he, and
those with whom he had to art, were determined to propose
a Committee to enquire, n d iu a narrow and contracted view,
but the most I stensii and enlarged enquiry possible to be
entered into. It would lie desirable, that those appointed of
this Committee should enter into it %/idiom' iodithzing former
opinions er prejudices on the siihject ; bat let them go to it
MI a determination to sift the matter thoroughly to the bet.
tom, and to propose what may be best for the advantage of
the county. He should therefore abstain from any farther
observrtiens on ibis important subject, and move for asecret
committee, to emptier into the state of the Bank, connected
with the expediency of resuming cash-payments, and all mat.
lets connected therms, ith ; and to report their observations to
the House.
The Marquis of LANvOOWN wished to know, whether the
committee was to he chosen by ballot or otherwise.
The Earl of LtvLitrooL said, he would propose that the
committee shoold he secret, and chosen by ballot.
The motion was agreed to ; a, was another, made by the
Earl of Liverpool, that the halloting should take place on
Thursday.
The Earl of Snsieres.DUEN had to present a petition from
the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Connell of the City
of London, praying for a 'ere& or the Insolvent
Act. The Noble Earl said, he presented this petition Stith
the greatest satisfartioo, as the sentiments contained its it
were completely in nnisun a itb lu. own.
Tile LORD CIIANCFLLOR said, it was impossible for any
subject to be more important than that embraced by the pre-
sent petition.—Adjourned.

WEDNESDAY.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition from the
Guild of Merchants in Dublin. pia Mg, that the Pro:es:ant
Religion may he pi esrrved entire, both in Church and State.—
Laid on the table.
Lord SIDNIOLTH presented a petition, by command of the
Prince Regent, from Thomas Earl of Mount-oorris and Vis-
count Valentin, claiming to be Earl of Angletea ; which Pe.
titian Lord S. moved be rel.Tred to • committee of Privi-
leges.—Order ed.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that no petition fur a
private Bill should be received after the fourth 01March ;
nor any Report received from the Judges on a private Bill
after the dth of April.—Ordered.—Adjourned.
THURSDAY.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL brought down a Message from the
Prince Regent, which the Lurd Chancellor read.—[See the
same Message in the House of Communsj—Ordered to be
taken into consideration to.morrow.
The Earl of ErvERPOOL rowed the Order of the Day foa
the appointment of a Committee by ballot, to-inquire htto the
affairs of the Bank.—Tae ballot having taken place, the foi-
-1 lowing were declared elected : Earl of Harrowby, Duke of
Wellington, Marquis of Lans,lown, Eill Graham (Duke of
Mootrose)Earl Il It_llllrA, t Earl of Liverpool, Earl of St. Ger.
I main's, VibCalllit Gurdoi: (Earl of Aberdeen) Viscount Glen-
ville, Lord King, Lord Glenville, Lord Lauderdale, Lord
Reties/tale.
Tire Westminster 11Jatings Bill was brought ep from the
Cumulous.

FRIDAY,
THE neccsrs MESSAGE.
The Earl of Livt aPnot. moved the order of the day, for taking
into consideration the message he brought down on Thursday frets
his Royal Highness Cie Prince Regent. 'Pile order of the day and
the message having been read by the Clerk, the Noble Earl said, he
rose to move an Address to the Prince Regent, in answer to his most
gracious Illebi:Vd ; but before doir.g se i:e would just shortly state
the nature and character of the fund which, by tie demise of her
late Majesty, had been placed under the disposal of Parliament, and
waat was intended to be done with it.—The sum haelf amounted to
SS,OOOi. which had been granted out of the Civil Law to her lase
Majesty, for her seperate use ; it therefore would have fallen to the
Civil List again, and not to the public; and the Prin.e Regent had
it in his cower to have placedlt in aid of the Lord Chamberlain's,
the Lord Steward's, or the Mast-r of the Hors a departments. The
only purpose to which Royal Ilighneis could not of his own
power aptly it, was to the reintineratien of any of the servants of her
late Majesty, because the Pension List was already limited. If it
had not beets for that, his Royal Highness would have pensioned the
servants of Ids Royal Mother, in the same way as was done by Geo.
il. on the demise of his Consort. But his Royal Highness had been
advised to that which was most congenial to his own feelings. namely,
to place the whole stun at the disposal of Parliament. He concluded
by moving an Address, which was, as usual, an echo of the message.
The Marquis of LANSDOW X did not rise to offer any objection to
the Address, the propriety of which, and the object of the message,
all must agree ; and ,ie trusted that the Noble Earl would not think
he was quibbling when he objected to one part of the argument of
the Noble Lord. The Prince Regent had said lie placed this sum at
the disposal of Parliament, to the amount of 58.0001. As to the
practical use to be made of it, lie had no objection ; but he must
contend, that the Crown or its Ministers had no right over this
money, by the words of the Act of Parliament, or, at least, by its
spirit. It the doctrine laid down by the Noble Earl were admitted,
it would go to a great extent ; for, if all the Royal Family were to
die it would be monstrous to say, that the whole of the Civil List
should fall into the hands of Ministers.
The Address was then agreed to, nom. diva. and was ordered to he
presented to the Regent, by the Lords with white staves.—Adjourned
till Monday.

HOUpSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY,. Fee. 1.

Mr.Warruman presented a Petition from Bishop Burnett,
of the Coal meter', Offlee in the Borough, pre% Mg that the
House wonid take seine steps to prevent the frauds which
at present were frequent in the admeasureineut of coals.
The Petition was referred to a Committee.
The Sheriffs of London appeared at the Bar, and presented
a Petition, prit)ilig an alieratimi mid amendment in the law,
relative to the recover, of swell debts.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman WAITIMAII, the Petition
was read mid referred to a Committee.
The Sheriffs again appeared at the Bar, and presented
another Petition, praying to be alloncd to appropriate the
Unclaimed Dividends of the Olphen's Fund, in aid of build_
log the new prison.
Mr. Md. moved, that this Petition should be
referred to a Coinioit tee. . . .

Mr. H. Si;,to on thought, before tbe ety of London appled
for lease to appropriate funds which did not belong to them
they shenld prove their own funds to be inautliisievt. Lsst
yeal, the City obtained leave to bring iu a Bill rut the seine
p.trpuse As that now applied for. tle,(Mr. S.) than opposed
that Bill, Ageless the City would produce their ai•Loonts.—
Dios they 'had retitled to slo; and had its prefeienee, We
diiiwn their Bill. Me should take this opportunity of giving
notice, that lie would oppose *ay future Bill which sight be
brought in ou this sultject, unless these accouuts.were
froduced,

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Mr. Ald matt 11.'rr7771llAN WWI not a Member of tilt, 114.1 t
Parliitotettt, awl therefore could take no part in the threw-
Mons allotted to by the Hon. Member ; but he war certain of
this, that the City of London would not object to the pristine.
tint' of all such at:vomits', as could in fairness be required of
them. The Hon. Gentlenam, talked of the City asking to
nppropriate hinds which did not belong to them: bat did the
Hon. Gentleman recollect. tbot the City not only supported
its own prisntiern, but also the prisoners belonging to tl.e
County of Nliddir-ex, which exceeded their own in the pro-
portion ot five to one
Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW declared, Le shonld also oppose the
Bill, if tiny were brought in on this Petition, unless tl.a
City coopeatcd to poodsier their accounts.
The Petition was ernes col to lie on the table.
The rilierifir then appeared at the liar, and presented a
Petition from the Covet of Cosmos Connell against Mock
Auctions.

Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAW mailed, that this Petition shiedg
be read; and in.doina an, commented in strong terms, on the
injury which was done to the fair trailer, by this sort of i•e-
poeition on the Public ; the subject bad already been berme
Committee of 0)&14'4 Parliament. He (rioted, as the present
Parliament svolubl adopt same step on the IStIlkil•Cl.
The I'etitisu Nus read, and ordered to be referred to a
Committee.
'f hc Shelia's ac-ila appeared at the Rim, and presented a
Petition iron) the lettil Mayor nod Co nrosan Connell as-
sembled, against a renewal of the present insolvcat Debt-
ors Act.
The Petition having been read by the Clerk,
Mr. Aid. WAITIIM AN observed, he rmtki not bet consider
this Petition as important as any which bad been presented
during the present Session, not eareptlng even that on the
subject of the Criminal Code. The eitisens of London, he
would affirm, were as open to the feelings of humanity as
any set of men eakting The Insolvent Act would be as
readily adopted by them as by any class of persons, if it was
really an set of hunt unity ; but this was an Act affording the
most ready read to the invasion of private property, and, he
he would further say, to the destruction of public morals.
It also operated as an invasion of tlic Constitution, Mace
it puperseded the hest of our Institut:mi., the trial by Jury,
and gave to one individual Judge of the Insolvent Court the
power of deciding aim the hulk of propel ty, greater in
amount than came under the controul of the bird Chaseeller,
and all r/le other Judges. Returns had at different times
been made to the House on the subject of this Hill and its
consequences. On the Ist of Notch 1816, a Return was
made to the Home, by which it appeared, that the number of
persons who had at that time been discharged amounted to
0040, and the aoionat of their debts 6.000,0011. The Holum
then proceeded to haglike what dividend they had made on
these debts. and found the avorage one quarter of a farthing
in the pound. 'Die Act then underwent improvernent ; and
mid on the Ist of Morels, 1817, another return was made.
The persons discharged were in number 5000, their debts
9,010,0J01. and the dividend half a farthing. 'lbws, this iin-
proveinent had had the etf'et oh raising the dividend from a
quarter of a farthine to half a Nettling in the pound ; and,
guiag on in this progressive state, by the time the Act ex-
pired, abont 14,000 persons would lie discharged, at an ex-
pence of above 13,000,0001. taken rum the pockets of tee
most honest, most industrious, sad he would say, tie most
virtuous part of the coininum zy—a tax mod onornions su its
amount, which, in this five years, would take more out of the
packets of the inditstr'ons tradesman, more, much more than
the amount of the Property Tan' on this class ut persons.
lie Hon Member contended, that no advantage tesaited to
tile Debtor himself troll this Act ; on the contrail, it served
to encourage fiaod on the part of the Debtors, mho now
went on to exhaust the substance of their creditors to the
last farthing, and then to take themselves to prison, Ti,is•
lie could prove from dominate itt his possession, delivered
to hint by Sheriff's Officers, by which it appeared the se-
veral of theie per.mns gene to those officers end delivered
themselves up, with writs in their hands. Tile Hon. Alder-
man concluded by moving, that the Petition should lie on
the table.

Mr. UIiOUGHANI agreed iu much which bad been said bj
the lion. tikattlegnim near him Waithinae). He was
ready to acknowiedge that the Insolvent Act ha 4 been
abused, but he could net agree to condemn the system alto-
gether. The gpitern itself was one which had existed long
before the prevent Bill was passed, it was a necessary one ;
Hs] lie trusted iu the Committee to witirlt this Petaion would
aftervvaiil• take place upon it is the House, it would be so
far modified that the interest of the honest creditor might
he guarded. One of observations if the Hon. Altrcrmati's
he must not suffer to pass without notice. The Hoa. Alder.
11141/ hail talked of 15,000,0001. being taker, from the pockets
:if th, honed tradesmen ; a sum. as he said, More than eqsat
to wbat they would have paid under the Pioperty Tax. But
he would ask the lion. Alderman whether, if this Act had
not existed at all, he believed the honest tradesman would
have recovered this 1.3,000,0031 I On the contrary, he (Air.
B.) did not believe they would have recovered the tomtit
part of a farthing which the lionouratie Alderman bad Men-
tioned.
The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. Ald. Wamttaast then moved for a wort) of the utur
tier of persons discharged her the inselveni Act, the ainotint
of their Debts, and of the Property delivered up by them for
the bereft of their creditors, since the passing the preLat
[aslant Act--Oodel ed.
CA RE OF THE KING'. PEisSON.
Upon the tsiutiun of Mr. VIII\ SEITAKT, the Bill nom the
Los ds, for making prevision for the care of the Royal Prr,mi,
was read a first time, Min ottlered to be read to sccotal time
oe Tbsstsday.

COAIMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Upon the motion of Mr. VANSITTART, tLe noose *chi into
a Cononittee of Sapply.
bir 0. WANKS NOIR, after a few preparatory rem ilk,.
1101VC11 grant ut 20,000 Seamen and 8%00 Wane-. for tilt
sere ice it the
.ir3r.
Mr. Romans-2 wished to ask, if na steps had been tit,
to put a stop to the necessity of tve ireprt astral.' CI Se. wee;
as lie thought a time of peace like t:.• present w. • a pr. tar
time to put a stop to a practice, that teeo **dikes fniti Ike
broom of rheir
Sir 0. A% •RREINDEII COU:d give uo whilst:wiser at present
than that it was the earnest tusk of Gotrn.meut 10 du all in
their poaer on that subject. Measure, had h. e.. Wilco •
ameliorate, in many tivpr cis. the Cl/11.1:1;ule Id 8 amen, espr
ciatly by weans of a system of regal' .C. 06 CO3 wen)
then voter: fur Vie wades Ct. the Sitanieu fur Meant:mi., 111 •
buo,onei. for victuals 553,001/ fur wear and tears( s i
.;
and 1,0001. for the Ordnance.

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the motion ut Lord P.thwt.N.init, the sum of el
mill,on wits voted, on account, tm- the land forces ut boom
rxeepiing the Er3i iother, fur the courant year.
Mr. CALI:RAFT wished to know how it Imnpimed, that
Mosey voted by Pa:mamma, fur a certain period, Caine to be
err ,teed efier that period imd ext.ired.
Ir. VAO4IITAHT nheei v ed, that the ottgervation of the
lion. Gentleman eptilh.rl to the *hide el the service of the
'Cue 0101111 was not %well p,,,spcctively, bat tetro.
selectively; and it any ter.riined, it :night be niplied to the
purpose for which it had been oliginally voted, utter the time
bad expired,
The shim of 24,921.0301. was then voted for the Exclieqvier
Bills unt4autling end stninovided for by the Acid of the last

year.
Mr. Otiestritra, wished to call the attention of the How
to the transactions between the Public and the Bank.
Thy
u Ilk derived advantages In the amount of G:rtt,o9ol. annually
from the balanter in their hands: awl, kin particair, they I
derived a profit of 130,01:001. l'iant tie loan of three nil:lions
to (Itiverninesit,tlionAn that loan wit only a part of bine fail-
haus of the public money in Omit hand,
A•If.VANSIIiTART SAW, that the transactions between the
Bank aid the Oublie would soon tittilvrgo a strict investika.
bon. A now arrangoiseut was in cosi snitation, by which
the Pubic would have the benefit of the balances in the
bands of the Bank. What he had ^gated on a roamer everting,
respecting the repayment tit the moneys:hie to the Bank, was,
that, out catkin million., eve had been repaid, and the ie.
staining titter were secured upon the revenue of the presimi
par. lie had been always willing to take np the subject of
the transactions tsetwees Grover 1111 l ent and the Bank, and the
Bank was willing to lend a cordial co-operation.
Mr. Moons thought, that the pnblir money ,boil be kept
in the public Exchequer, und not ilk ilic code's or the Bank
ald hoped, that at length Ministers were About to learn tee-
netny•