The Sun.
London, England, 1855-02-24 00:00:00

BAY MARKETS.

SMITHFIELD.—Meadow hay, 2/ 18s to 4/ 17s Od ; clover
ditto, 3/ 3s to 61 OA ; and straw,.ll 4s to 1/ 102 per load.
Trade rather dull, at late rates.
CUMBERLAND. Meadow hay, 3/ Os to 5/ Oa ; clover
ditto, 3/ Os to 5/ 15s ; and straw. 11 5s to 1/ 11s per load.
Both hay and straw moved off slowly, at our quotations.
WHITECHAPEL.—Meadow hay, 2/ 81s to 4' 16s; clovor
ditto, 3/ 3s to 61 O 3; and straw, 11 4s to 1/ les per load.
A. fair average supply and a sluggish trade.

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PETITIONS.
Mr. PHILLIMORE presented a petition against Church
rates.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Fins-
bury in favour of the vigorous prosecution of the war, and
praying for inquiry.
Lord GODERICII presented a petition from a place in
the West Riding, signed by 5,000 people, against the Beer
Act of last session.

HOMEWARD-BOUND FLEET.
Sir J. DUKE said as the right hon. baronet the late
First Lord of the Admiralty bad declined to answer the
question, he begged to ask the Senior Naval Lord whether
any assistance had been sent out to the fleet which had
been so long wind-bound in the Channel ?
Admiral BERKELEY said that four ships had been
sent to the mouth of the Channel, and one to the mouth
of the Irish Channel.
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS..
Mr. PHILLIMORE gave notice that on early day he
should bring in a bill to abolish the jurisdiction of the
Ecclesiastical Courts in all matters relating to slander.

PROMOTION IN THE ARMY.
Col. REED gave notice that on an early clay he should
renew his motion on this subject, unless prevented by
another ministerial crisis. (Laughter.)
THE INDIAN OFFICERS.
Sir E. PERRY wished to ask the right hon. the Presi-
dent of the Board of Control if Indian officers who had
served on the staff in the field in the Crimea would be en-
titled to the same brevet promotion as other officers.
Sir C. WOOD said it was a question which it was
scarcely proper in him to answer, inasmuch as it related to
a matter not within his department.
THE, PRESS AND THE WAR.
aw:iirrcuFaliraßniAidald:lNG wished to ask the S.;cretary at War
complaint
it seabsheleti}iiineaer,lit.duhruectsosneLsdeard Raglan had addressed a
plaint to the Duke of Newcastle relative to the infor-
mation furnished by the newspaper correspondents in the
consequence
Crime
addressed on the subejoedfcittto:rastorfenm
and the circular
on the subject.
gentleman had any
He wished to know whether the right hon.
eewu
es
pt raapnecres
objection to produce the remonstrance
Mr. PEEL said the letter of the Duke of Newcastle wa
of a private character,and he had not the authority to
thoughtproduce
public
circulario
service
addressed
e
to the newspapers was
also of a private character, but the right hon. baronet
be benefitted by the pro-
duction of these documents, he wouldshould have no objection
to prodube them.
Sir F. BARING asked if the communications contained
any information which it would be disadvantageous to
publish ?
Mr. PEEL said, with regard to the document addressed
to newspapers, there was nothing in it which could not be
made known to the world, and therefore he could have no
objection to produce it.
Mr. LAYARD said it was only fair that both sides
should be heard, and should be glad to know if the hon.
gentleman had any objection to produce the answer of the
newspapers to the circular.
Mr. PEEL said he was not in possession of the answers.
APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE.
The house towards half-past four o'clock began to fill,
hon. members coming in one after the other in close suc-
cession ; and after taking their seats joined in conversation
with little knots of hon. gentlemen, from whose earnest and
animated jcstures it was evident they were discussing the
prominent topic of the day with deep interest. Lbut
ord
Palmerston had not yet made his appearance,
Sir James Graham, and Mr. Sidney Herbert had
arrived, and, amidst some amusement, took their
places amongst the Cobdenite section of hon. mem-
bers, below the gangway on the Ministerial side of the
house. Mr. Cardwell selected his seat in the row imme-
diately behind the Treasury Bench. Mr. Gladstone
arrived about half-past four o'clock, and immediately
joined his late colleagues on the Cobdenite Bench.
As five o'clock approached there was still a vacancy on the
Treasury Bench, the Prime Minister not having arrived.
The house in every part was thronged almost to suffoca-
cation. Presently Mr. Granville Berkeley (one of the
whips of the Treasury) hurried up to the Treasury
Bench, and whispered to the Ministers present, amidst
laughter and general cries of " Hoar, hear." Having
gone through this pantomimic performance he hurried
away, and there was another ominous panic of some dura-
tion. Bye-and-bye Lord Mulgrave (another Treasury
whip) came in in the sameimysterious manner, and had
another whispering consultation with the right ho-
nourable gentlemen, but with the same results.
It is many a day since the house presented such a per-
turbed and exciting aspect ; there was scarcely a seat va-
cant en the floor or in the galleries, whilst the Peers and
distinguished strangers' boxes were also crowded with
occupants. At five o'clock the most anxious sus-
pense prevailed, when Mr. Granville Berkeley
rushed hurriedly into the house, followed in a mi-
nute or two by Lord Palmerston, who took his
seat amidst vociferous shouts of " hear, hoar," to which
succeeded almost immediately the deepest silence.
The SPEAKER then called the order of the day for
going into Committee of Supply, upon which
Lord PALMERSTON rose, and moved that it should be
postponed until after Mr. Roebuck's committee had been
disposed of.
MINISTERIAL EXPLANATIONS.

Sir J. GRAHAM—Mr. speaker, according to established
usage, and in conformity with the salutary practice, having
ceased to be one of the confidential servants of the Crown,
and now only holding office until my successor is appointed,
I think it a. duty incumbent upon me, with the permissicn
of the house, to state the reasons which have induced me
to take the step to which I have alluded ; and, Sir, I
thought it best to avail myself of the opportunity when
you have a motion in your hands, to tender this explana-
tion, because I am afraid it will be necessary for me to
trespass for a short time upon the indulgence of the house,
and in stating the reasons which have actuated me I may
be driven to snake some statements and use some argu-
ments that may require reply ; and, on the whole, this
appeared to me the fairest and best opportunity for the
purpose. I take this course because, having recently suf-
fered from very severe illness, from which I have only just
recovered,—(cheers)—I was unequal to the task which I
should otherwise have performed upon the great occasion
when my bon. friend below me moved for the appointment
of a committee of inquiry, which the house is about to no-
minate. I did not take part in the debate, which pre-
ceded that division, and I was unable to record my vote
on that occasion. (Hear.) "I hope, therefore, I may crave
the indulgence of the house while I enter into some of the
reasons which have led me to think that the further pur
suit of the inquiry by the select committee is, in the pre-
sent circumstances of the country, inexpedient. (Hear.)
I may at enee state that I observe that the Government has
now adopted the motion of the hen: and learned member
for Sheffield. According to a practice well known in this
house, the original names proposed by the hon. and learned
member having been withdrawn, we are now about to con-
sider an amended list of 11 names, which, for the purpose of
removing all ambiguity, I think I may consider as a list
fully discussed between the hon. and learned member and
the Government, with a view of appointing a fairly balanced
select committee. (Hear, hear.) I must make an observa-
tion, as a prelude to what I have to state to the house,

with respect to the composition of this committee. If the
executive GovernMent has on the whole made up its mind
that a committee of this vast importance should be appoint-
ed under presentelcircuinstances, I regret extremely not to
find, among the names now proposed, the name of any
member of her Majesty's Government included in the list.
I have a strong opinion that if this inquiry is to be con-
ducted into circumstances so delicate, with a due regard to
tho interests of this country, there would have been great
advantage in having a Minister of the Crown present on
the Occasion, in order that if subjecte of inquiry should be
opened ou which, from his knowledge of all our foreign
relations, might appear to hint inexpedient and dangerous,
a warning might be given to the to.nmittee, and some in-
fluence exercised to check an investigation trenching on
dangerous grounds. But it is not only on account of the
absence of any member of the Government from the com-
mittee proposed to bo appointed that I object to the ap-
pointment of the select committee. I think, from the
-very circumstances attendingthe nature of such a commit-
tee there are practical dangers at the pros eit moment with
reference to the proposed inquiry. You, sir, will bear me
out that it is quite in the discretion of a majority of the
committee now about to be proposed, consisting of 11 mem-
bars, to decide whether the inquiry should be secret, or
open to the public. If six out of these it members should
be of opinion that strangers ought not -to be present, this
committee becomes a secret committee. If, ou theother
hand, their decision should be the opposite, it would then
be an open committee. Now, let me regard this question
in its double aspect. If it should be a secret committee,
all check of public, opinion, as operating on the inquiry,
will be withdrawn, the proceedings of the committee will
be unknown, persons will be inculpated by evidence with-
out having the opportunity of defending themselves or of
preparing for their defence, of cross-examining witnesses
or of rebutting false eccueationseeand until the termina-
tion of the inquiry, the tendency of the evidence will
remain secret. If it should be an open committee, then
from day to day the evidence will be published, most adverse
comments of a party character will be applied to the evi-
dence as published, anti the most erroneous impressions,
bearing bard on distant individuals occupying high situa-
tions, and fatal to their character and position, will be
created, without their having the power of cross-examina-
tion or defence. (Rear, hoar.) In the conduct of the in-
quiry, too, there will be no appeal from any member of
the committee to this house for the guidance of the com-
mittee, when once this house has made a delegation to the
committee, until the latter shall have reported. Now, I
must say, considering the gravity of the subject, its im-
mense importance, and its bearing on interests of a magni-
tude almost unprecedented, sash delegation to 11 mem-
bers appears to me to be a mist dangerous course. (Hear,
hear.) lam not aware of any precedent whatever in our
Parliamentary history for such a delegation or for the ap-
pointment of such a committee. (Hear, hear.) I am
aware that rarely, but still occasionally, inquiries of this
character have been instituted at the bar of this house, and
I should infinitely prefer such an inquiry to the one pro-
posed. The investigation then would in its conduct have
the advantage of the intelligence and the knowledge of
many members in this house with respect to the subject
matter of inquiry ; there would be publicity, but under
check, through the medium of the ordinary channels of in-
formation, and, as between a select committee and an in-
quiry at the bar of this house, Jt should not hesitate to give
my preference to the latter. (Hear, hear) An inquiry of
this kind by a select committee is unprecedented ; whereas,
for an inquiry at the bar of the house there are some few
precedents, though not at all applicable to the case new in
hand. I believe that at a remote poled, in the reign of
William, an inquiry was instituted with respect to the con-
duct of a naval expedition, and at a later period another
inquiry was opened with respect to the Walcheren expedi-
tion. These were inquiries at the bar of the house, and in
both cases the military operations were not pending, bat
were concluded, and the generals sus alrurrals whose cha-
racters were at stake were present to defend themselves.
(Hear, hear.) Iu the Walcheren case, Lord Chatham ap-
peared at the bar of this house, and had an opportunity of
stating his case and of being heard. tut as the matter now
stands, this question will be thrown down on the floor of a
committee ; the condition of. the Flee, in the Crimea is to
be the subject of inquiry, and no instructions are given to
the committee. I understand that as instruction was given
notice of in the name of an hon. member, but without his
authority, and ho is not prepared, if I am correctly in-
formed, to move that instruction. There is, it Is true, an
instruction to be moved by the hon. member for Inverness-
shire, and if there had been doubt that the object of this
committee was to iaquiro into the conduct of our admirals
and officers, that instruction !c, extending the scope of the
inquiry would prevent all mistake en the point. (Hear,
hear.) Far be it from me to contest the powers of this
house in its largest sense, I know no any object so minute
as to be below the notice of this home, or so exalted or so
remote as to be beyond its reach. I ate not one to cut
down the authority or power of this house. My whole
political life has been spent within these walls, and the
great effort of my youth and of my mature age—l hold it
not to be a matter of regret—has been to have laboured to
increase the democratic influence of this house. (Hear,
hear.) Within its proper sphere no man more rejoices
than myself at its power. It controls the appointment of
the Ministers of the Crown, and, iu its legislative capacity
it is equal and co-ordinate with the Crown and the Rouse
of Peers. It is greater even than the Twase of Peers with
respect to taxation and to the supply 'Of ways and means.
Even as tile grand inquest of the nation, I admit its con-
stitutional authority, and I know rro limit to that autho-
rity, except whoa iu its exercise this house should, at an
ill-advised moment, trench on the lezttiniato constitutional
fa nction4 of the Executive. (Cheers.) I thought, on the first
night of the debate, when this committee was moved for,
that it was admitted on alme.t every side of the house that
the motion for inquiry was only intended as a vote of censure
on the Government. (Hear.) I remember well the speech
of the noble loud, late President of the Council, who, on
the whole, did not think himself abb., satisfactorily to his
conscience, to defend the entire coudact of his former col-
leagues as against a vote of censure by implication, but in
the broadest manner ho said it was impossible for him to
support this committee of inquiry, because its insti-
tution, in his opinion, was incompatible with the func-
tions of the Executive. It was stated, also, by the hon.
member for Aylesbury that he supported the motion be-
cause he thought there was great ground for accusation
occurredrtnd i was o thef
re
cfiorrsat
nrecording
yParliamentaryhis veto
that
nams him—that he did
too,
against the Executive,t
ha
hand
added, if I mistake uot—
not anticipate any advantage from this inquiry, and only
used the motion as a mode of expressing want of confidence
in the Government. I was present on the Friday, when I
ahe opinion mo if will
correct of his: I
irepresent
heerd the speech, which, on account of its ability, I should
like to have uttered myself, o• e
my right hon. friend the
Secretary of State for the Roam Department, who put
this question in a manner not to be answered. He ap-
pealed to the house and said ;—" Let us come to an under-
standing on this matter. I cannot believe you mean to
pass this as a substantive vote of inquiry ; but you only
mean it to be a censure on the Executive." That appeal
was responded to by loud cheers on the Opposition side
of the house. It was understood to be a vote of censure,
and was so regarded both by those who supported it and
by those who opposed it. I am sure the house will permit
me to state what was my Own impression (Hear, hear.)
I have stated that that was my
erepreeeton*at the time, and
I am sorry to say that, looking back upon what has
since
oecuiTed, I have not changed my opinion. Well, Sir, how
was the vote of this house regarded by Lord Aberdeen's
Government ? It was treated as a vote of censure, and
acted upon in that manner, and one and all of Lord Aber-
deen's colleagues took the only constitutional course which
was open to them, the following morning they ten-
dered their resignations. Now, allow-me to ask, if
censure
is inherent in that motion for inquiry, how are the cir-
cumstances altered by anything that has 'since taken place?
If it was a
vote of censure then, surely the nomination of
the committee is a vote of censure now. If it was right not
to submit to that vote of censure iu January, how can itbe
right to submit tamely and without any contest to the no-
mination of the committee in the month of February ? It
appears to me that the ground is the same, the intention
is the same, the objections are the same. There is however,
some novelty in the course now
adopted. Hitherto, gene-
rally, when votes of censure have been proposed upon Go-
vernments certain Parliamentary Courses well known and
commonly recognised, have been edop,ted. A motion that
the house should resolve itself into a committee of the whole
house on the state of the nation
a recognised "notice to
quit" to the GovernT,,e,_a_ti.otm_Pyl.ng those benches. (Hear,
.
'mar, and a laugh.) `that '"1-4 vote of censure in a direct

inistaienTbu-t the misfur•
course has been adopted
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pbriaistelonntsans;tist,o
tbh;t a

capable
ei s
oufn unprecedented, e deo:tit:l4 constructions, tftch:°lllll-10:.
Yes, much. has since occurred. Lord
A loh.uir-frci-ureeedu-n-s,ts, andjGaoltveewrr btnhci
nee he
Government
the motion of the he
was first put
onlyusepacted—namely,
legitimate— i tn,
a andmely ,u constructiontphoant
withv
ricahs
clearly
0 ai 1.
Lordi y
Yete of censure. Well
it may be said—has nothing that whichas I contend, the
Zoe! Aberdeen, et U. and learned
member for Sheffield was brought forward, was the Prim
Minister, upon the expressed and recorded opiiiim of thise
uh: Mwhotoiownh?en
hoase, has ceased to ha a member of the Admiaist at'
The Duke of Newcastle, yieldin,
ss, also, to the implied cen-
sure of this house, no longer.so.ecapies a M
, place in her a-
jasty's Government. My noble friend the member for
Tiverton (Lord P stonalmer) supplies the place of Lord
Abordoen, but although he supplies that place, he con-
curred with his colleagnessin the Administrationinreg ard-
ing the vote for the appointment of the committee as a
vote of censure, he yielded%to that vote and he retired.
With the exception, I think, of Lord Panitinre and Lord
Canning, all the members of the present Government in the
Cabinet who fill offices of the greatest importance in the State,
are the identical persons who were members of Lord Aber-
deen's Government. (Cheers from the Opposition.) Allow me,
in passing to observe that on Psid last, when the noble
lord at the head of the,Government opened the policof y his
Cabinet, ho appeared to me distinctly to recognise the ex-
istence of this committee of inquiry, if pressed, as a diffi-
culty not to be lightly regarded, if indeed it could he re-
sisted, because he tendered and volunteered to the house
the functions of the Executive in lieu of
,the prosecution of
an inquiry by a committee. (Loud cheers.) But it may
be said to me, "How came you to accept office under the
noble viscount the member for Tiverton if these were your
impressions with respect to the proposed inquiry?. (Cheers
from the Opposition.) Now, I wish to state the case with
perfect frankness. (Cheers.) W
he n the hoble viscount
. paid me the great—the undeserveLi —templiment of wishing
me to become a member of the Administration, I was con-
fined to my bed, and I was not its a condition to carry on
protracted correspondence or to make many inquiries. I
will tell the house, however, that there Wag ono difficulty
which with in. was cardinal, and upon which I was entirely
satisfied. I wished to know Loin lay noble friend now at
the head of the GJVCIIIIIIOI3t, whether there was to be any
change in the foreign policy of Lord Aberdeou's Adminis-
tration, to which we, as colleague;, had given our united
consent; and also whether, with reference to the negotia-
tions now pending at Vicuna, there was any alteration with
respect to the terms which, in our opinion, would be con-
sistent with the attainment of a safe and honourable peace.
(Hear.) I thought it my duty to satisfy myself upon these
points, and my noble friend, in the most frank manner,
gave me explanations which were entirely satisfactory.
Being satisfied, therefore, on these points which I consi-
dered those of main importance,
I made no further difficulty
upon any other subject, nor did I make any other inquiry
whatever. I frankly said, being satisfied on these points,
" I will do my ,very best, if you think my services can be
useful to support and to sustain your Government." Perhaps
greater caution might wisely have been exercised by me with
respect to this committee, but I was of opinion—and until