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cAITSES IN THE COURTS OF LAW.

On the motion of Mr. SCARLIETT, servants, were ordered
of the number of Cause/ entered in the original Paper at
the Sittings of the Cowl of King's Benrh in and after
Trent in London anti Middlesex, during the ten years last
past, and of the numbers remaining afterwards nesettled in
the Canoe Palest; together with a similar account of
the ',amber of Roles for new Trials within the same period,
standing on the Peremptory Paper during earls Term, the
'timber remaining to be argued in the Special Paper,
Crown and Cisil bier.
CLAIN! FOR SERVICES.

Mr. TIERNIPT presented a Petition front a Clergyman of
the name of Ath (or Ashton), a Curate, residing near Low-
tine/lorry, who stated, that early in the French rerulii.
tomer*, war he had giant must useful informatiini to the
Irish Government, which was must thankfully acknow-
lidged by personages then in power, and suitable services
promised. The ohjert of the present application was to
bore these promises considered. The MEM Hon. Gentle-
man said, that on inquiry from some Irish friends, lie had
seceived the best character of the Petitioner, mud full as-
'primer that he hail the claim he stated. '

The Petition was ordered to be laid ow be table, sod
printed.
' COURTS OF JUDICATURE TN WALES.
Mr. F. CAMPBRI.I. lore to make his promised
motion on the subject of the existing state of the
Comte of Judicature in the Principality of Wale..
He observed that many years had elapsed since the
public attention had been called by Mr. Burke,
slid since by Lord Colchester, to the imperfect
atiticture of the 11'0..1, Cowls, and their
to.tlie p'- rue • llllOO of the inhabitants
of the Principd:;ie. The Statute of Bendy VIII.
lied tn.iiikileit iii ii great degree these Courts, and
it. a 'reign which Mr. Burke had expressively de-
settlard as being little better than a series of hos-
tility on the one hands and aUffranee at the ether,
eline of separation had been drawn between the
form and state of the Welsh Courts sad those of
&gland, which tf gh it might have answered
well alien the inhabrants of tech country were of
distinct habits sad language, yet became another
character when both countries became morally
blended in their nature, and when the line of se.
pannier, as to interest", si'vrell'aur habits, was im-
perceptible, sod no other-eoperetung meek was ob.
stumble more time that Mee whit progrophicelly
eeeeeentrylrem•the 'thee sal=7Aster:l.Jlrlte'llrit argot hoperfeetilio iritte
elation of the Weljk rtemMe to Oita lii triiiied

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to draw the am ofloo of il,e Ovate Ras, tiLat it
witness ereaped from Wales iota England. the
Wide!' Jades had no power In compel his attend-
a ice by sine prows thee mild transmit after him.
Tiwre was braid's a trry heavy grievance in the
rircumetal,ce of the pleadings for • new 161. in
the event of a misdirection from a Judge. 'Me*
'drooling, must be made out in • few hours after
the misdirection, and laid before the Judge who
made it, or else the else uist stand over to a
distant period. The Holy. Member then pointed
out as another griecince the difference of exiwine
ohne!, intended English and Wehh poens in the
nintir of it.rs vvvvv g procirerlis,.a. Ile then
alluded to the ftoous of action obeerecil its each of
the Courts, awl particularly to that which was
termed tie "cone &deem" It sots said that
if the present system of Welsh jurisdiction were
abolished, this the:mond .-speditiosis from of plead.
int( to cares of small debts would he abolished.
Now he slid not think that this was a occessary
consequence ; for if the 6. CONCeslii soirees" were
good, why not embody it in any ameliorated plan
alike for the English as well as the %Vets,' people.
If it were good its one country it must in the other.
The real point which required alteration was thy
enormous expellee and firms of levying fines sod
suffering recoveries. He then loomed out the
moor of is g writs of certiorari, and the great
expenses end delay necloiiiiied by the mode pm
tired. in the system of Welsh judicature. Then
again respecting the equity branch of their pro-
ceedinue, that autheintc alourdity of law," as
Mr. Burke termed it, the utmost imperfection
was apparent. lo the first place, the Judge, the
Coulisel, sod Solicitor concerned. were in all pro.
kihility utterly ignorant of the real principles and
practice of a regularly constituted Court of Equity
—they had no opportunity of studying that brooch
of the law. In tae '.V.lsh Circuit with which he was
more immediately ecqoainted, there was cooly mie
equity lawyer in the habit of going the Circuit, an
that the suitor who had not ;he advantage of Isis
useistatice was badly off indeed. Another evil, in-
dependent of the ignorance of equity proceedinga,
war, that there was no lbw, time for hearing such
causes; they were taken- up whenever the Judge
had leisure, so that the suitor in them must peram-
bulate the Circuit with the Judge, and often have to
encounter both his labour and expense without his
corm brine heard. The party also must reside with-
in the josisdiction of the Court when the "suit is..
commenced, model he retires into England after, and
while it is pending, the decree cannot be persimary
virved. From this tribunal ton, there was no
appeal. except to the House of Lords, thus im-
voniiig a remedy on condition both of.espeose mid
delay, which of course prohibited the benefit it was
destined to afford. If then the equity branch of
the Welsh judicature war, as a Court of Equity,
inadequate, and the other legal department map-
plicab:e, then the best course to take would be to
consider whether some remedy could not be devised
to place the system of the law on a better and more
practical footing. The last part of the case to
which be . would refer was that of the Welsh
Judges. Their permission to retain their seats in
the House, of Commons, was, he thought, most
objectionable iii every sense.—(Hear.).—The same
individual regularly going the tame Circoit, was
also an objectionable practice. The 4wilifications
which it was generdly conceived led toshe appoint-
ment of Welsh Juilges, were. without derogating
from the personal character of the individuals so
appointed, very unsuitable, he thought, for the dig-
nity and independence of the office they were
appointed to fill. Besides, the Ministers who ap-
pointed then, moot be considered as more versed
with parliamentary tactic., than legal knowledge
and discrimination.--(Hear.)--They were not
therefore very critical and nice in their mode of
selecting—indeed, perhaps, they could not well do
otherwise, for no profeseicouil man of eminence
would undertake the office t'or its comparatively
trilling emolument, and sacrifice his bushier, and
reputation fur this species, of preferment. Very
different was the mode of appointing Judges in
England—the selection was made from men of
profound knowledge of law, of unblemished in-
tegrity, and undeviating moral recti'ude and prin-
ciple. When such characters ascended the judicial
sear, they conferred ruttier than received a favour.
They were •Iso by the benign act of his late Ma.
jetty made independent fur life. Such a merigoe
of patronage did honour to the Crown, and still
more to the royal °wive, for it placed at an im-
measurable distsocr from the reach of power that
great engine of a despotic Government, a corrupt
Bench.—(Hear.)—Ministers, he knew, had the
strongest disinclination to part with the porrisiage
which enabled them to uphold • corrupt lightener
in that House. and reward political 'posing.—
(Hear, hear.)-1t was revolting Id turn from the
contemplation of the Eitglish Judges to the system
which regulated the appointment of the Welsh.
Ile should like to know also what justification there
was for a bench of eight Judges for Wales, when
twelve were considered competent for the While lati.
sinew of England. He was persuaded that if four
of these were abolished, the remaining four would
be aniply sufficieist for the Welsh busiaess. They
did not sit, as in England, one Judge at iVisi Pries
and another hearing other business ; two oat tor.
ther ih Water, and from the mode or doing
Maintops in the Courts. this became necessary.
He could not help here observing, that the Noble
Lord, on the night when the discussion took phis
respecting the Fifth Baron- of the Enchequet
Scull tonal, said, he trained that Governinetelioilif
oat be found to sacrifice its duty in the distrobatiou
of judicial patronage. He now, in the motion he
*Oa about to make, put the Noble Lord's declare.
tion to the test. He now called nem, him to vaiy.
why the Welsh Courts of great Session shOuld out
be abolished, mid the Circuits bald, cwwilleviterld.
ed in those of England, by a ceuvreient mph-
tion. This would of course increase thelmowless
of the English Courts, mid require an aitirsieatii
lion of the number of Judges. Too Jodie*
would, he thought. suffice for the Nortlieni Dia
vision, and they could materially assist in the Bog-
lish, basilicas. M the same direction, and also in
that of the Coon at the Old -Bailey, to *brie the
other Jildges daring their Term sitting.: •To ob-•
1424 toy objection that say be wades* the atteeloy
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of 'aornenting the aumber olthe Bn
he mold state that such as teenage.
pehtotily forrhir 0066..4 fa iW rtW_•
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of C.-17"mm Mat receitra snecoiwire lotgenenta-
timer. There were at first three.• than sit. soil la.
terser& Preen. In IM reign of Edward Ell:there
were nine; 19 Richard 11. 6' e; (Jeer, VI.
(our *ova-seise Oranges had been made. In James I.
a,, asiditom was 111440 of one Judge to gee Common
rifts. mild one to the King's Benet', and thinks 11.
odder' a fifth to the Comoros Pleas also. fie lamer'
therefore that the obje;ctioo as to novelty !omit' he
coiAlereitior very groundless. The I 100. Member
after repeating the of Mr. Burke nod Lord
Colchester, vesper-tong the system of Vt jurli-
retire, v -luded by moving for the oppoiriteneto
of a Select Committee, to consider the state of
the Courts of Judicature in %Vales, and the pro-
priety of eholishing the same, and titan to consoler
the propriety of vompreliesoling itiejodicirl hum-
or& of the frrioripaiiry in the English circuits,
seed to retold thereon to the House.—(l leer.)
Mr. WARREN (•he thief Justice of Chester)
said, that it was slot his inientiosi to have rises, am
early in this discussion, were it not for the esteem-
'hoary personality in which the Ilan. Gentleman
indulged iu the course of speech, a personality
levelled at the
ell:ductal offices in %%kat without a
single exception.
Mr. F. CAMPBELL explained that he did not
apply his argument iii a personal sense—lre only
meant that tier error lay in the system itself.
Mr. W RREN then resumed, and said, that it
was the system wherh, according to the Hon. Gen-
tleman, mule the %Veld) Judges obscure, as well
ignorant of Im-1/leer, hear, from the Minis-
terial Ilenches.)—And this wan the decorous man-
lier in which the eight Welds Jodges were to be
spoken of, without a single qualification or reser-
vation. The 11on. Member said this with the
knowledge he must have or the Judge who pre-
sides in the neighbourhood in which lee himself
fires, a neon than whom there never lived one of
more unsullied integrity, or better versed in the
laws of his carnal •••,/ Mall too who was the per-
son.' friend of Mr. Fox, and appointed to his
office by that Statesman. Yet the lion. Gentle-
Mill, with this knowledge, was hurried by his zeal
into an ortiqualified condemnation of every Welsh
Judge; they were all to be sunk into the abyss of
Wormy for their corruption and igoorance. Did
he- ever hear, when he contemptuously spoke of
Welsh Judges, past, present, and to come, in one
sweeping condemnation, that inch a mite' as Sir
Wm. Groot had filled the office?—be presumed he
did not. Did he ever bear that Lord Kenyon filled
it ?—lie presumed not ; nor that such judicial *II 114.
tions had ever been occupied by Lord Rellesdn'e,
Sir Vicary Gibbs, and the present Chief Jostice
Dallashe presumed the Illonnurable Member had
laver been isr possession of this information. They
were all obscute, all ignorant, of course, all cor.
rupt.—(flear, hear, from the Ministerial hrnehes.)
—And yet this Sweeping charge of corruption must
he made because a particular individual had the
misfortune of filling one of those situations. Was
it thus to be presumed that the bolder of such situ-
ations qualified himself for them by his corruption,
and retained them by his senility ? With reference
to his own competency for the office he beta, of
cour.e he felt a diriculty in saying one word. Of
his obscurity many of tier Gentlemen opposite were
the best judges; he had known many of them long,
and he hoped retained the friendship of some of
them still, though he knew that political circum-
stances often varied the duratioti of such attach-
meut.;. lie hoped he was not also so ignorant,
for he had had lie confidence of being profession.
ally employes; in the course of his life by a
moiety of the Gentlemen opposite, lie would
leave, then. the indulgence of these personalities
to the Hon. Member o-,.posite, and also to the
Noble Lord next him (Lord Milton, we believe),
who in his absence had thought proper to make
similar observations. With respect to the motion
itself, he *mild be the last man to oppose any
plan *hide had for its object the improvement of
judicial business. As to the plan proposed now,
which went to the entire abolition of the %Veldt
Courts, he must observe, that the whole subject
had been taken op, and the same objections now
permed fully argued in Mr. Ponsonby's Committee,
in which r vast number of witnesses were examined.
The decision of that Committee was not that
the Courts should be abolished. but that the
system should be altered; and it was known
that a variety of measures were recommend-
ed by the Committee to clear off the objections
to the present system of the law, but 111 tio instance
did they suggest su abolition of the Courts.
In consequence of that Report Mr. Jones. at that
time, but not now, a Member of the House. had
brought in a Bill, which had been read a second
time, but after the dissolution had been dropped.
Sion after. in the next Parliament, when he (Mr.
Warren) had first enjoyed the honour of a seat in
that House, the subject was pointed out to him as
one proper to engage his attention. He had listen-
ed to the suggestion, and it had been his intention
to give notice of bringing its a Bill to remedy the
defects of the system pointed out in the Report.
The Honourable Gentleman had anticipated
him by lois notice. and therefore he had con-
sidered himself reduced to the necessity of
awaiting the issue of his motion, being de-
termined, if he did not succeed, that he would
shortly bring in a Bill to carry into effect the re-
commendations of the Committee. The Hon. Geis-
demon. with sU the pains he had taken, had not
been able to state a single point on which evidence
had not been taken. Among the witnesses tea-
miued had been Sir Wm, Goad, Mr. Baton Garrow,
Mr. Leicester, and several other very respectable
and intelligent indevidoils, to the number of thirty-
litre: therefore he did not see what good was to re-
sult fraen referring die same matters over ago' itt for
eximination. Mr. Warren the,. contended, that
the inhabitants of Wales by no meows desired an
shandom of the judicature, but merely certain ins-
provesnents in it. These were the sentiments of I
petitiost • presented. froni a cerium's part of Carom-.
then a few nights -before. lie thought its part of
his duty, filling thoo(lice which he did, if them oso-
tion should be pressed to a division, not to vets
r:+aiust it ; and if it should succeed. he should be
mast ready to give all the info:ovation in his power
to the committee a he said se in perfect eiricerity.
Mew. hear.) •
Mr. COMMIT had nether been Adele enderntand

why Wei* Jimhges should be ield.
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and Cl.i.f J irtir:e. of Owes- should no longet sit
there, hi. Ilan. and Learned Friend (Mt. Warren)
bad supplied him with rue.—(Cheers tined Mug&
ter
Lard J. Ituttact.t. ani7l, that a newspaper some
days liefore, lila reporting some remarks of his on the
subject in discussion, had attributed lasignagp to
him which he had not used. What he had said
was. that the-re we. u judgeship in that [louse,
which. instead of being removed like the others
r the 1:1,110.1,1iere of political disputes, was
genteelly given in return for thr support of the
Ministers of the day. (lad he aiLled that it was
frequently a step to the offices of Attorney nod
Solicitor General. lie believed lie should have been
borne out by the history of the individuals who had
held it. It could not be raid that a great benefit
had been conferred on the rummy by securing
the independenre of the Judges in Eligland. and at
the same time maintained that the Judges of Wales
should remain liable to ministerial influence ; for
he saw no reason why they should be exempt from
the motives that ordinarily influenced other men.—
(l/ear./—The Goo. and Learned Gentleman bad
declared that lie did not commit his professional
eMulnments in accepting his office. If he had
meant 'that it should be inferred lie had taken it
in order to pass the remainder of his life in a more
dignified and honourable manner, and if lie felt
that he could now hold his bead higher in the
word than he had before, be gave him joy of his
sit on (Oren from Me (Ipposition./
Mr. WYNN said, that with respect to the me-
lion lie felt considerable difficoliy. It was almost
impossible to consider the question of the Welsh
judicature singly. Ile felt as much respect as any
one for ancient ilstitestions, befit was obvious that
the number of Judges which bad been sufficient in
the time of Edward I. were not so in the reign of
Geo. IV. Under all the circumstances, be should
hr glad to have the Committee revived, but without
the midenitanding. that an object of their appoint.
meta would be the abolition of the judicature.
The evidence given before the former Committee
was never fully and regularly discussed before mak-
ing gip their Report. _ _ _

Colonel WOOD begged to offer a few remarks, as
having keen it member of the Committee of 1817.
That Committee had certainly been deprived of the
benefit of its most Nxcellent and worthy Chairman
(Mr. Ponsonby) before agreeing on their Report.
That Right Ilion. Gentleman, whom be should ever
remember with the utmost respect and esteem—
(Heal—had gone into the Committee with a pre.
jodice against the Welsh Judges• but after having
heard the whole of the evidence with the greatest
piitience,diligence. and impartislity,as far as he could
recollect any thing of that nature, he understood
that his (Mr. Ponsonhy••) impression was, that that
judicatureconteined many important advantages, and
that it ought not to be done away had
read through the whole evidence within these few
days, and he took it on him to say, that such a con.
elusion was borne out by the whole of it. There was
but one single person examined who had proposed the
abolition of the judicature, Mr. Owen. A question
had not been pat to any of the witnesses as tothe pro.
priety or impropriety of the Judges sitting in the
House. They had not too much money to spars
in Wales—but the abolition of the existing judo•
velure and modelling the administration of justice
after the course in England, would inflict a heavy
expense on every county in the Principality; for be
belived that then it would be necessary to build
new Courts iii every one of them. Another oh.
et ruction to such a change was the ignorance of the
English language generally prevalent among the
people. The moment a Welshmaii witness was put
into the vritne,es box, he could iso longer utter a
word of English. And if Judges should be sent
there, in the same manner as on the Circuits in this
country, lie was confident it would produce vety
great dissatiilaction. The state of the roads in
Wales was also an objection to the assimilation; it
wes not long since the Judges, the bar, and the
attorneys rode on the circuits. The Hon. Gentle-
man then gave a jocular description of a Judge's
horse having his leg broken front the badness of
the road. lie hoped that the Bill would be re-
ceived, and that before being passed into a law. it
would be sent dower into the different Welsh comi-
ties, in order that its machinery might be examined.
and its defects, if it contained any. pointed out.
But he saw no good to be obtaiued front the re.
appointment of the Committee.
Mr. Waorrest.EY said, there was every oppor-
tunity for evidence pro and ma, to be brought for-
ward in the late Committee. A certain slay was
appointed for a meeting to consider of a Report,
but in the mean time that fatal event occurred,
which all had lamented. But it was the clear im-
pression of his mind, that it was the idea of Mr.
Ponsonby, that the existing jadit.oture should not
be taken away.
A Member. with whose name we were nesse-
quainted, void, that he was surprised to see any
Hon. Member standing ap in his place and defend-
log a system of which himself formed a tram No
reason could be given why the Welsh should not
he appointed in the same way as the English Judges
were. Till the beginning of the reign of Geo. 11.
the Scotch Barons had been allowed to sit in the
House, hut an Act was then passed to prrvesit
them. Therefore he did not see *why, when they
and the English Judges were excluded, the dome
of the House should be open to Welsh Judges
alone. The floc. Gentleman then censured the
practice of the Judges acting in the capacity of ad.
schemes also, slid expressed his hope that the whole
subject wuald he referred to a Committee, to re-
port on it most copiously.
Mr. ALLatt argued, that the only alleged be-
nefits in the administration of justice in Wales,
cheapness and dispatch. were counterbalanced by
greeter objection*. There advantages were as.
Mined by the sacrifice of a most impudent piiii-
ciple. The administration of justice was per.
haps the dearest in the world, • but it was the
best. The Principality of Wales had inferior
Judges, as inferior bar, and infertor attorneys. It
was against the sistero'ood not the inditoluels, he
complained. Choosing the Judie! for political
reasons. was ill.calculated to give the population
a proper confidence its stir' independence sod
integesty of the tribanala.—Mter, bits..)—There
was "nether objeetitres ti' the • existing
which he theesht etrield siet• be reisedred by soy.
legisiStive sppieessiets of remedies, Namely. its lei.
deny to moltiply attorneys, a body which existed

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• there in 9 fat greater prnportion then is one neer
part of the empire, and the endless aliment it thns
supplied to litigation. With respect to the ditli.
culty of the progress of the Judges, he Isetieveil
that the roads in the greater part of the Primmerlily
were es rift all any in Englassd.-71/feee.J—Per.
haps the greatest curve to the country was the mode
of doing business in the Sheriffs' Courts, an mil
which be was confident could he removed by not low;
but the alsolition of the jurisdiction. The Mew: vs.
Lions of the Hon. Member for Bo eltionce-ini,
respecting the prevalent ignorance of the F. r
belt language in Wales. appeared to him tri
no bearing whatever on the suhi,el...--fiie,tr
The Members on the opposite pole of tlw
connected with the representatioo of Wales, tote,.
tinned a worse opium; of his Msjeto!'s
than he could ; for wile:lever he had e,iiil..r•.4
with them on the exlperlie..ey of tif.e.ing s i..r.
motion in the ipotesi) voile, olt•CIST•11/11, titelr
" Oh! Ministers wooolol ',ever coo,oe.ot to, gib•
np the patronage arising from the appinottlient fif
the Judges." Now he could not think an bestir
of 'hem. low was sure they would, if they saw ',it
such a step was necessary. in order to extend te
Wales the benefits of the law of Fogland.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the lion. Gentle.
man who had just eat down had done but jimire
to his Majesty's Ministers', in thinking that wises
the interests of so ioaltortant • 'portion of the empim
pa the Principality of Wades were st stake, they
would be actuated by no motive at that of pur-
suing whatever course might he moss beneficial so
it. Certainly when he had mote down to the
House, he had the impression on lite mind that o,is
question having undergone a complete investiga-
tion before a Committee, the Itri.t of whwa
Committee was on the table, it roily remaitwil
that some Hon. Member acquainted kith 11:e de-
tails shoed,' propose a epeeist: remedial measure
to effectuate their recommend riots. Pilot Ise loot
no hesitation in va3 Ong, that o!-)..rva.iaolo lasoi In- :1
mode in the coerce of else th-traise, wittelt sheared
that the labours of the Committee had terminoteil
less asti•factorilv than wool.' Weir horn the case
antler other Cllntqat,era than throw w Inch hail teen
described, awl that their It-port wits less perfeit
than con Id have horn wovliell: molly same owe.
those also desired to motto e a era tourney would
ore that it was quote impol..ohle to undertake lt is
the manner proinewd. Ibe 1:1(.!!"11, it was It i1p.1114
ma 'pledge the Ilissise to ain.loh juibtaa
Lure; hut it called on it to vxpre,o4 a sn:od.wonatlaa
of it, tint only before nue .islottinte list lire,,
wised, but in direct (frivoler of the 'wont
given to the House by the Counun ire in a I:• non',
without one veTrree or soy explanatory roreai_
tethers on the face of it. Ile hail a right to c 0.,.
eider the Report as expressieg the re.il opinion if
the Committee, an for us their e..iirtileriniiin 11.4
been turned to the erideoce ; it was alas err direct
opposition to the opinion of every Willies% lint oar.
He had no ohjeetion, United lie felt a dispo-itew,
to here a new itivrstigation set ou foot. but
prejudice to the character of ibe rxuU,rg
tore. Ile had no reluctance en revising the C .
mittee with • motion in the vamr terms or, the
origins, one, which had led In the former Csrto.rrit-
tee, and without assuming that the new Cool.
mittee should not eillarre the oliecia the:"
inquiry. Ile lied no objection to aupenthog tioo
repotted motion, by stihoop iiiii g„ alter tie
word s. oppnintmeot.•' the toilowiog words." to
inquire lute and Frond to Cite Howie fondling
the laws relating to the admitlisiratiosi ..f Itowice in
Wales." He Ives sure the Howse serail he despesseti
to act with the more caution. eiten they recollected
that Mr. Ponsoulty, nee of the highest nuthoritirs
On loin', of law, had gone into floe Coutalitter
with feelings as strong perhaps as them of floe Hon-
Gentleman who brought fora:int the tinhjert that
night, that the Judges should hoe Aludtoltell; lien
earning into his inquities and examination of the
evidence offered the outdoor of a lees' !Bind, laid, no
far of could he discovered, alsendoned his mistime
intention, and arrived at the conctis.ioss, that sae
should leave to the people of Wain the institutiono
of their operators, applying such istneliorattions as the
wisdom of Penleonsent might devise.—f I kor. heat- I
lie regretted that the Ilion. Gentleman sitite!if have
indulged in terms of rfo.paragernent erlitch were wet
only %twiny unfounded, as fir as regarded thrin-
dn•idnals to whom they were *potted, but colt:oho-
ed to do great mischief. 11' h respect to the topic.
that it was inimpsisenient for a jodicial character to
hold a seat in that Hisose, of ilwy looked to
what passed iu former or mesons times, be
hewed it would not appror that there hail hero
any anxiety to choose the Welsh Judges not of
the supporters of Minister', or that the mills',
diesels selected had generally supported them after
their 'tremolo's,. Hr believed he Honourable and
Learned Friend (Mr. Moroi) was the only one
of them who possessed a seat in the House. And
if they went to the bar and there took an estien.roe
of the character of his lion. mad learned Friend, se
would be • severe censure on tin. imprudent* ARAI
itutreurvey, to say the host, of the remarks which
had been made on lieu,—(l/ear.)—lle (Lord C--
tleresigli) had stogya held that mats pu resort%
who keiew how to look to events sis they wet
Po*vieg. In order to tusk.' up his ow., *Outworn.—
( Load mid repealed cheers on lire Opp.rsithro
Benches./—Ur asserted that he could not name lilts
individual, who, tither as a lawyer or a. *eau, bad
been held in greater reelect by the opposite site
of the (louse When he Lit among thew.
Noble Lied thew prhilosed the Ansecdfreot abuse
stated. i••.s. : • "oe .r) V! 4
air. Illiaciew said, Ouse if serve sus Rue.
tialloll to Us, liomoole3•• instal nit 1.111 r• puha',
his °Ohio* 11111111 ignol de-04rd that the Welsh.) edges
should be occluded Coils the Itiuse. rziat.,
Sion was, that the to.i.te-oi alrl:ueutitsgtltem was
most corrupt. lit did slot Ns), mid no snail in fitei
senses could say, that all the Judges. mrpsiiirteil
were siecessanly ignoring or corrupt. If the Homo
and Learned Oraitleasim (NIG Warren) were its also'
Heuer, he should ask him' whether he kad twee
heard of a ;semen being sMinielatesl tWhoe, a theist,
of ces. velses.hid retired from iki bar totaty yew%
and was, at the time of his tionsinalion. a Cles% iv
the liewg's kitchen—Os tterg4l.—and whether die
nonaination did nut atom out of ionise? teauseetitio
etsoueeted with a borough in sai_cinflietsr.l—.
MeAlarhasit thaw epiestudeerte4, task 101,4110°6a of
the us slitelt!itm oeting.al.sdveßates. said
IWO. Mit it owe happened, that when one of
thCos, sitting as the beach jiidieid rapacity