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THE NATIONAL REGISTER

On our re-admission hto the gallery we found the house in
committee. The roolutleas were agreed to, and the report was
ordered to be received to-morrow.
Dusts 111AESTErStilP IN CIIANTEUY.—Ma.
Dr. LUSIIINti'fON in bringim, forward his promised imition
proposed to trespass for as short a perioa as possible upon the
time of the house. The duties united in the person of the hon.
and learned gent. -opposite (air. Ellis) the duties of member for
Du'ulin, andrtf mas.er to Chancecy in I.adand, were so iucoir
pantile with emit other, OA either the first or the last mti
necessarily be neglected. To show, upon the best of alt possible
authority, the hon. and learned member's own oath, the nature
of duties. devolving upon hint es a master in Chancery, it wit,
ugly necessary to go to his eattatination Latbre the eatumission
which sat upon the state of courts of justice in Ireland. On his
appearance ['clam the commis:loners on that occasion, the hon.
and leantaal member was asked " What arc the duties of your
office, and the 'touts or your attendance? how did the hon. and
and leanned gent. answer that question? lie •auswered, " tit
duties of my office are various and difficult to be specified"
(hear, hear); "they principally consist in taking accounts pend-
ing in chancery suits ;in investigating disputed faets in c-.es of
lunacy, banbcuptcy, and tide; in taking affidavits; and. in
short. to u great variety of important avocations which he (Dr.
Lushington) would not now enumerate. The second part of the
question pat to the him. and learned menthe; by toe conimis•
shiners was as to the hours of attendance. What was the hon.
ftntl let red gemLaian's reply? It was cotroborated—if cor-
tot:oration coot.' be taxes, o y—by the evideucee of the
oiler- masters in chancery who were examined at the same
time :—" The duties of office require my regular attendance 10
months in the year, and atihrd, more or less. buziness fm cve.y
day in the year. Imu always in my office I[ol3lll o'clock until
three or four, each day during t‘nti, and ftotn 12 until three
during cue vacation. us bosineamay requ;re : this is indemaident
of occasional business at my house in the evening; and of taking
vili.larits at all hums when maties found it necesaaty to swear
them." (Loud cheers.) Nov hero was positive evidence. The
noble loud opposite (Lord Castlereagh) when the subject was
under discussion last year, distinctly stated the _s words—•' All
t'•,ut be (Laid Castlereagh) required ors, that the learned gent.
(Mr. Ellis);bould have the option, elected, of retaining his scat
or resigning his office; but that, it' he retuhied it, Came could be
no objection to address the crown for his 'moral." 'slit learned
gent. concluded by moving the following resolutions:—
' That the duties of a master an chancery in Ireland require
for their due perdsrmance the consamt residence of that •dicer
in Roland.
" That Thomas Ellis, F,sq. being one of the Masters in Chan-
cery in Ireland. and also a memher of the Imperial Parliament,
munot adequately discharge the duties of his odicc as a master in
chancery, and also his duties as a member of this house.
" That the duties of a member of parliament arc precedent to
all others, and that to perform them, those which attach to Thins.
Ellis, Eq. as a master in chancery, must be neglected, to the
iniiiry of public suitors."
It was his intention, it thc3e reaolutions were adopted, to follow
them up by moan; an humble address Sc his Majesty, praying
that he would be graciously pleased to remove Thos. Ellis, Esq.
from his office as one of the masters in chancery in Ireland.
Mr. ELI.IS addressed the house at great length, and afters
wads retired.
The first resolution being put,
Mr. Feel, Lord Castlereagh. &c. &c. opposed it.
Dr. LUSHINGI'ON then replied.
After which the house divid,ala when the numbers were—For

the motion 52—Agair.st it. 10t—Nlajority, 49.
Dr. LUSIIINUTUN immeniately gave notice, that lie should
on Thursday next move for leave to brni„,, in a bill to render Mr.
Ellis incapable of sitting in the next parliament.
On the motion of the hon. and learned gent. accounts of all
exciseablc articles consumed in iiiimingham in the years 1818
and 1819, were ordered to be laid beiii.nc tue house.
Adjouracd ut two o'clock.
TUBSDAY, MAIKII. 6.

Petitions were presented from the owners and occupiers
of land is the Comity Palatioe of Citester—Witerior.lion—
Abiadou—kierkshim—Smseoy—Mtdollesex--Iseoes—Sollolk
--Rumford —Eilieintsford—liereford —Kent—, Pistol— Horn-
staple, eic. cumplitioittg of agricultioal distress. Laid un
the table.
Petitions were presented from manufacturers in Somerset-
shit e and Sheitton Maliet.against the sixpeuuy tint duly.
Mr. 1 LS presented a petite-on the con, averages, •
from the intpnroers of corn, ugatiost any altertylion its the
mode torsi 0,414 the averages.
Sir C. HARVEY said he was desired to stoeport these
petitions.—Petitions read and ordered to be printed.
Mr. J A ML:i moved for copies ot all corresemalence and
climates respectin,.; the handing of barracks at Gat lOple lOW
and ore proaress made in the bitildim: them.
Mr. Cult, WEN gave notice that on the Id in instant he
should more for leave to bring in a bill to repeal toe Agri-
cutlet-no Horse Tex.
Mr. COKE Com rose to preccut a petition from various
owiters and occupiers of land in the county of Noriolk. Ile
begged to repeat what he had said uu the preceding; evening,
that he was hell itegautitted with a !treat many of lae.pe-
titioners. Ile knew no melt so versed its their professtoo, or
so tmatitied to have a competent knowledge of the news'
existence of those mils for which they prayed that house to
provide-the:in some remedy. (Hear.) 'lf here were no persons
in the Island of Greta Britain-oho produced more corn on a
meatier pavan] of laud than they dud. (Ii car.) If this part
of the empire, with Iheseadvantages on its side, was uott..l"
such a .tine woieultio al distress, o hay most be the si ma-
tiou of those lee; tavontred parts of ((scat Britain, where
neither the soil our tile was eqmil 1 or to: thfoe parts of
this and adjacent counties which were little bolter the.:
swamps? lie stale ufagrlctiltural distress oa• so appalling,
Hutt he woutlered that the government of this couodJy did
not took at it as became tl•iti, mid as it was their duty to
do (hear); he wondered Mai they did not warmly take it
isp, instead of I krowilig cold water upon it ; instead tof this
tut y !ejected the prayers and petitions of the whole kieg-
dont, irons one cud of it to the otheis 'file prayer of
ibis petition went prineipally to urge the repeul urine last
ditty on tna.t. lint it was nccdtess to say that that repeal
enough desirable, could not he effeettial. It is s. the duty of
itfoil.lisfa to eColiO.oiZt.• ; tuid reirencOnient would (lieu caect,
11.• had no doubt, the greatest puschle good oy en:titling them
to redo the promote inortintate taxation. 'fir dicta this
great object, which involved in it rill other, and which
hove,, ril the imerevos of apactiliute, he c.illed
upon ever) I.li.niarr or hat house to per-weer iti his ditty.
If one I,oamiroune seemlier directed his al!eillion to the esti-
-11)..1eb of 140 Navy, another to lite Oroluauy•e, and so on, they
emold sotto he aloe to nectimplish Italian:Moroi?, if the
mini-ten of the croon felt desirous, real!) to extend a renter
01 So tiO-1(4., 64, oteriloriuor, so valuable a tams of the coins
mainly. Tuft tPilltel.lo.l Or ItiNtlii,lll lie considered to be the
mot) ellertive oli.hon which (1111111 Ot• adopted. lie was not
our of i kme vy ho %set.• ior n print ttinri t eta, trim for this
reason Zillion, Mao) ill 1.1 alien lice proteet mg duty,
to it o as Calrett, took Noce ninon V6001,1%001 as-lit limit Bore
liuw Oa. to b4l 1 ill. ii fell imottealiatriv to 4.51. nod
and 1100 it bits oorto little Mute titan This deprecia-
,
tuttoy causes; but cerittiuly it :410:e principally from lie

protecting duty.—(Hear,-bear.).....He wished to make the
relief In be extended to be the result of a reduction of
of the tuxation.—(lleor.)—A noble lord in another 'house
1111(1 sittrilitoed the p. evaleat distress to one crane, mid a
noble lord that house to another. Tile noble lord (Car.
Ilerragh) %hum lie re,;cetted Otat he did tun now see
its his piece conceived it to be owing to ion ignorant impa-
tience of laxatina. lf those ho •, gentlemen who were
art•n,ttntir.l to .support his Mejesty s ministers cotild not
sec in this ilistietaiti of so 11100101110114 a questinil us that
M. the dish efts, s Of 100 aeticulitiral bitet eats, the destine.
of their oat %hal imerests, it was their oeii fault.
Tee „ket was that the landed this:rest tonal jinn with the
au.ien on at interest, and require of ministers firmly and
etlectively that they should retitle° taxation.—(Chitters.)
li than reqnisition shnnld not silc, cert, then the country
would be in a dolebil stale thrived. This was an alarming
situation, in truth; but if his pi opusal did not meet the
difficulty, shy then he wits psi pered to say that they must
go to the funds. (Hear.) _m
eet (thug must be resorted
in, by oay Of remedy or relict !.out if lie fonds were avail-
able, lie hardly saw what, in such a distressing conjecture
of allairs,o as to save them lialuileso. (Hear.) The whole
of this sithjeet, however, was to come lemma that
evening in another shape. If the lion. get. was to bring
it on was sincere in his motion (although lie oat' usually
a supporter of his Majesty's ministers, who lout shown tau
great disposition to consider the matter with favourable
attention), the important qitestioa would receive an ample
suet cat eful iliseussioe. Let the house st e, however, what
was the result. If' they did not du as they ought, Wily, the
country must itievitably sink lima bad to worse. whet
credit with due 10 lite hon. gent. himself (Ali. Gooch), he
(Me. fluke) knew nut. Whether his illtell,lollS were sin. '
sere, or his mutton was a mere delusion, by means of an
understending between the lion. gent. and ministers, it
was impossible to say; but lie looked tapes, the professed
object as perhaps the most vital stud the most pressing
which they could possibly consider. The bon. gent. then
moved that this petition be brought lip.
The petition was brought up, read, and ordered to be
printed.
A est ESTIMATE/.—Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that
the required returns bad beta presented, but the army
estimates oould.be brought forward on Friday trotted of
Wednesday.
ItLCEIPTS AND EXPENDITURE.—Mr. MAiIEIILEY
brought torwaid his motion tan the condition of the Fi-
nances of the comely. lie bad always miderstood that
the bate of expenditure was economy. He thought that
considerable economy might be effected ; and it lie suc-
ceeded in showing thus much, tic thought the ministers
would be bound to intend to economy, or to give way to
those who would attend to snch matters. He oats, un-
doubtedly, for keeping faith with the public creditor, it
possible; lint lie maintained that 111E11 Ulla collet only
be kept by resorting to iho most rigid economy. (Hear.)
Heithen proceeded to contrast the recent expenditures of
the conittry with those of 1792, complaisting, however, of
the vottiantimus and complex chatacter of the Vitialiee
aCCUlllllS—nerotints from which hon. members found it
didiemlt, if not impossible, to collect what were the real
amounts of tile annual receipts and expeoces of the coun-
try. A plain account of distinct sums would he really
useful to the members, and he was surprised flirt the
house did :tot reqnire such distinct account. The ex.
pences of the civil and military gayer 1111 l ent for 1820 was
20,:9110101.—for 179:2 the expences were 13,900,0001.
including the pa3ment of the intei est of the debt. Mr.
Pitt had estimated the whole expenditure of 1794 at
16,000,0:)01. The whole expenditure of 1d:0, saying
nothing tai Ilse debt, the payment of the interests of o Melt
a,is intuited in litre, permitted inch difference; the
thickest of the feuded dent alone was upsarila tat
46,000,0101. lie then proceeded to notice the expentii.
tree for Isciatid. The amount of the.st bole supplies for
Ilea del hot amount to the charge of the one heist 110 wit
it Was upwards or 4,000,0 AI.; the army for 1820 was
up it arils of 9,000,0001. (timer, hear.) There ono a Mt-
lerence ut beyond 10,000,0001. beta ten tile 30 Itin expen-
diture of the two pt•riuts. Large establishments had
growls ty with the war ; and ht• knew it was didienti to
cut thew down—but cut down they must be, if they meant
to ►eep faith with the public t•teditor. Peace was the
ody time to eccumpli-la such It &mitosis—anti they alone
could sec the liiiences sight Thine were malty extra'''.
gam expenditides that must be cm tailed ;—foi in many
19-1.111c0.S Iht, collection of the ditties cast :231. per cent.—
*Coda they not be collected far mute ecemoinically e oil
would aaa,,i, that the revenue (meld be collected at a fer
cheaper rate. (Hear, hear.) There had been (Mance
teput is, anti they, or the Chancellor of the Exchequer
through them, said that the annual estimates need not
exceed about 17,0)0,0001. lint the estimates of ihdd were
11i,C04/00. and between the estimates anu the menet
SAW ge there was a difference of 1,000,0J01. The reports
contained the theory of economy, the estimates displayed
its piactiee; and considering [tie reduction of prices, lie
maritteineto that the reports ought to have advised a still
•reater reduction, namely, one miliiun more. (tlear.)--
flic interest of the dent was on tile means of the conutty
as 123 per cent. tile indirect taxes us V. 4 per scut. and
me seduction must take place iii the per cent.—iii
tile itithi eel taxes economy alone could save them; with•
out it they could not pay the interest of the debt, and
nothilig shot of ttaldittlikt 111Callb ought to inditee them to
think of v1014011'1; the public lettli. (Cheers.)—He con-
cluded with moving that it ass expedient to repeal the
window duties, 6.c.
Alter att animated discussion, in which the Chancellor
of tile Exchequer, Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Msberly, junior,
(who spoke iu opposition to the lielllinlCiltol of Mr. M.
sea.) Sc. took pail, the [louse divided. The nntithers
were.—For the molten b.;—against it 109.—Majortty
against it 2d. AU...tiled 01 vietell
WLDNESP.II'. .1111LaCit 7.

LA OCAS St a E us'd Ito J AMES presented a
petition Isom r's. atnau lltU.i iiurMl, cui•liiteil iu Loncoalerjail,
btatinA, float tic ii.tilioth.r nod been toaeit up nu a chur„e of
treason, but na, tried fur nusde iseandri, and toned guilty, a
seutruccd in two years' issaprusudos..sit. Ills peat utlessce
was in new; p hat Ali'. Pali and Lord CastleseuKli had tires'
before luau—a ltra..1)11:1C1 ; 4ita besides bus insprisonsueut,
Ue Asus bultjectcti to u varlet) id wievuttret. ilia tritons
erc all opctictl—he aas couitued in a tlanyr cell, vs hot e
their Vwdancilimr rlntir our tattle l the jailor wns neat Fer,:te;
and petitioner ail,: to Nan*, or tre iletirsrril of
part of his ttilutt,lice.
Mr. 1101 th IA( defended the jailor, submitting (bat his
character tow excellent, and stated, tbut line roles of toe
prison had been agreed so by Juni,e B.)ley• As to to.:
upcning of the letters, that was a ponce. Lunt was essential
to the good goscruurcut of the castle.

Lord STANLEY bore tes; intim:, to t..e gein.i gioni con-
duct of the jailor. Ile, however, had been compl...ned of
twice before.
Mr. 11. sUM N ER spoke in favour of the general conduct
of theirj
Mr.SergenntONSLOW was against receiving this petition,
slandering on individual as it did.
Sir R. WILSON observed, that similar testimonies were
borne to the character of Governor An is, and yet on inquiry
that Individual) conduct was found to have been most re-
prelien-ible.
IV.r. 110 MOUSE agreed in the justness of the remark just
made. % henever any individual in authority was cum-
plaritied or, there w,tre always gentlemen enuitah to rise and
speak t conscieutiously in favour of such individuals,—
He had received a petition last session from 141 indivi. oats,
circumstanced similarly to the petitioner, lint betide he
could present it, he was desired to abstain from presenting it,
as many of the grievances in this jail Intri been redressed by
the magistrates ; and what did such fact prove, but that the
conduct of Mr. Higgins had not heel' wholly unexception-
able. Before they come to any conclusion unfavourable to
the prisoner, the) ought to ascertain whether the allegations
of the petition were true.
Mr. LAM BTON said, that the doctrine on which the fic-
tion was resisted was most ))))) minors—that the taileiou alle-
gations and distinct changes in the petition mere to be
deemed false and caletuniou, mete!), on the statement of an
individual member, as to the general character of tile jails.
—He considered that the house was bound to institute
Inquiry.
Mr. LUSHINGTON thought the house ought to pause
before it interfered, as three magistrates hind already endea-
voured to redres the prisoners' grieraturix.
Mr. JAMES added, that the jailor had broken open a
letter directed by the prisoner to him. Wus that justifiable
—was out that a breath of privilege ?
Mr. B. AV ILLIRA HAM observed, that there was so much
falesehood mixed up with a little truth, that it was utterly
unworthy the ittlentiou of the house.
Mr. JAMES repeated that the breaking open of his letter
bad not been denied or disproved.
Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON saw too strung a disposition
to Curb the valuable right of petition—a right that trio: mine
es‘retial than ever; rind he was therefore favourable to the
reception of the petition.
Mr .CREEVEY and Mr. BENNETT contended that
the pm it itio ought to be received.
Mr. CA Left AFT also supported the petition. The fact
of opening the letter °fa member of parli:titheitt, was of itself
a gross impropriety ; and (lit would %%arrant investigation.
Inquiry would enable the magistrates and jailor to come
much better out of tine business than would macro ise be the
case.
The gallery was cleared for a division. The numbers were
For the petitioo 3/1
Against it —B6

Mkjority against Its receipt „ ...53
Carnoite B r. PLUNKETT brought in, he Bill
for the removal of civil disabilities which now affected the
"lonian Catholic sul j
Bill read a first time, and ordered to be rend a second
time oil Friday, the 16th M.A. and to he primed.
Mr. PLUNKETT then brought in a to regulate the
Intercourse of persons iii holy orders, catholic priests, and
others, with the See of nome.—Read a first time.—Ordered
to be read a second time on March 16.

Petitions complain of agrieultaral distress were presented
from Harrington, Cumberland—Horsham—Northainplou.
shire—Peterhof ough—and Demie.
Itstroasi.—Mr. LA M UTON observed, that unless cir-
cumstances occurred over a Melt he had no cuntreul, be
should positively bring forward his motion fur reform on
the 10th of April. This motion would lee similar to that of
which he rave notice last year, to extend the elective flan-
chise to ail householders paying direct taxes—to destiny
the corrupt boroughs—and ,to restore it iminial parliaments.
Ma. JUSTICS CCST.—Mr 11011110U,tli presented a
petition from upwards of 1000 person: residing in WeFtinin-
minster and Middlesex, expressiog its regret that the poi.
tioll of Mr. Llavison, complaining of Mr. justice Heat's
conduct had been rejected. They prayed that the ruse
might he referred to the committee fur the i.dmmistral ion of
justice. Ile thought there could be ors 9hjection to this--
Or in this petition there was no compliant ugainst UO3 par.
titular individual. As to there being remedy risen hero he
mach cliestioned it; but whether there was or not, the an-
swer to the recumniendution to o;peal to the law, us made
by Horne Tooke, was familiar to all t—w The law nits open
to all; Vet., and so was the London Trivet° " Such 1111 Mer
remit jutied bra of tile sentiment of Goldsmith respecting the
signpost of tile inn which ins Reit t. passengers n Ito could
pay." (Hear.) The power of the Judge lie could nut adroit ;
mid if such power were admitted, if a Judge wet e to tine tin
pretext of contempt, where tae such putts rto eud I flow
*as it to be limiter] I There wes au defining. It was power
that not only might be, but must be abused. Mr. Hunt, for
'listener one of the editors of The Examiner, adduced minty
proofs. or rather allegations, of great men hat teg spokeu
much worse of the house of mimeo- than the pal:.
I iration had dune. Had there been u pwsioraste and
puliti-
CalJudge,the l'efelidatits must have been fiord over uud
over twain. lie did not take the sentiments of Judges
for gospel, especially when he recoil ected how they were
mode. They licid most extra/nil nary doctrines soul. (lines.
Lull Llienburum.ll, for notame, bud said, Ihut ally thing
was a libel that would Inn t the feeliog. of one of the minis
tors.--P pother laid submitted that be much questioned
whether vs Mill, without putili.hing, was not itself u libel.—
On the question fur a writ of Habeas Carpus, Justice Best
bud quote d Ulm k.tiiiie's report to wpm,: t the sentiment tutu
the writ was not invariably the right of Eil,lithmen. He
it'd consulted .ue Whin ity, which wits the enso of three
bpaniaitis. The writ war there relined yet the Judge
quoted the ruse to spew shut Lintliolimen were nut always
entitled to the writ tit Habeas Corpus—and when he pre-
sented h 1 r. Davison's petition, the Solicitor Ociwral charged
him a ith quoting as cat that had not beets ulready adduced
b) Mr. Cooper, ahercns, of ull the eases cited, wily UM' of
*twin had been mentioned by that learned ;xi:then:am (Hear.)
As to the pe.itiou„ lie should couleel himself with moving
stint it lie on the told, Ile should leave it with others
better Jurist sited to suggest ulterior proceedi4s.
111 r. Strgrent OM.iLOll' contended, that the mitt lead
lite pt. wet which bud been t etrised, and that in the case
DI Devisor) it had been prcterly exercised.
Mr. tiOkl kli/USE said, the mil, questictiable imssege
tv as thin Ibe 14 hititwerb laid It al nt eti p egi et"
the retuaal of Ott house to Wit r Mr. Davison's putitiou to
be brought tip.
The petition was then Lies gist op ahril titter.
Mr. HGLHOUSI. tows cd that the petition be printed,