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from ministers paid, who warded to repair their fortunes or to
get places. And such system gave minima, an undue influence
—do make wan mid impose taxes without that controul of the
npreeentstiva of the people which was contemplated by the
Constitution. Yet while titan Boroughs were at the mercy of
ministers, there were places which bad become exceedingly
populous in recent antes and therefore merited the consideration
of the House—such Places as Manchester, dm. which had
inaeased four and flee fold. Thus, indeed of the system " work
ing well"—auch anomalies had risen up, and large places. were
without Reepresentatives. while pieces that merely nominally
existed, returned Members. But it might be said that those places
had not petitioned ; when they did petition or address, then their
proceedings were complained of; and if they did not petition,
then such fact was to be used against View ; but would it not b
hard-heatedness to legislate on Imo facts and feelings. To sheer
that the influence of Government was almost predominant, the
Noble Lord mentioned the feet of hit great majority of County
Members being Mond in support of most important motions
against influence and extravagance, melt motions being never-
theless lost, in consequence of the raondcrating.numbers gain-
ed from the Borough Alembtrs. hid mot saes facts speak
strongly in illustration of his general line of argument? tie though
their tendency was thereby established. As to Male Rewlutions
with which lie should conclude with movie;;, he reoug.it, in tak-
ing away the franchise from Grampound, could-not be said
such place would remain unreptesenteil. (Hear, hear!) His Re
solutions were limited in their es oatt--Mei dii net du tu the
extinction of all the Boroughs, but that ought to be the twat step;
and then he would come to the lied/nil on riaciple, and that
would lead to notating less than a recenstrucilan ur c.e Howie of
Commons. (Hear, hear.)—The outline of time cuo.‘ti..itioo et
that Hou.e traced Counties, CAW. and Borouglis—....l it eras
in such state when Montesquieu pronounced time !tepee eidaut
system of t'mis country to be pertuct la (neon., and successful in
practice. lie only warms" to see them reaostal to weir due in-
fluence in the retui ning.ut Representatives; earl if be cow. I be-
hold th.: Counties, Clues, sod llotoaghs rrstored to .beer due
influence in the Represen.ative part of he iloverninimt of the
Country. lie littpud tta“t a sprit of cone.liacon would yet be
adopted—he felt as ure'tt tba• it would be airs,' tt..eful telitlemer
It the love of jibe. ty existed, and if it were. telt. that with such
tenni liberty tqey nod no share in the eate. men would the on
of civil dissentain na‘c arrival ; ammo men might the efliats of
an ambitious sing, Peer, or Demagogue be tile well.giounded
source of alarm, lie co:niudeil SPlllibt loud cheers, and moved
the following series of Resolution ;••
Fifst, 'That it is expedient tfiat all Boroughs, in which gross
and notorious Bribery should be proved to prevail. should cease
to return Members w serve in Pasibunent 4 provision being made
to allow such ut the Eloctors a., shall not have been proved guilty
of the aid offence, to give votes at any Election to be held for
the Cooney in which ouch Boroughs shaU be respectively situated.
Secondly, That it is expedient that the right of returning
Members to serve in Parliament, so liken from any 'Borough
which shall have ban proved to have been guilty of Bribery and
Corruption, should be given to some great town, the population
of which shall nut be less than I 5 ,0111.1 souls, or to sonic of the
lay test Counties.
Thirdly, That it is the duly of this House to nancider of fur-
ther means to detect and.pioveut torrnptioa in she hlnction of
Members of Parliament.

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Fourthly, That the Borough gr Granipeund, in which gross
and notorious corruption has been proved to prevail, do cease to
send Members to this House.
Lord NO it MANBY rose to sessedsterrearledens. Whenever
trusts had been corruptly used. Shay ought to be considered as
forfeited; besides, he who hough' his seat would be ready to sell
himself: What security had they against such proceedings ?
Such Members might be hooset—rd they night sell themselves
—but surely they were any dint but Megmeentatives of the
People, in the &institutional lantr• Oar* iliss CAssish article
of manufacture was not the man T 1....
Lord CASTLEREAGH mid. MA 11•1=11 .0 what
seemed to be the main olt:!ect of Male Lied—tire Ashen-
ehiseauent of Grampound. He witilher it would not
reson,,,,
be better to withdraw the which cub:seed welt
debateable matter, and introduce a which would eemaiplish
that object, touching which there was fitly hi he Met Nab iiit.
Terrace of opinion; at least their Mode world be iiimeletl to
10111 C definite object.
After WNW remarks from Mr. TWIN, and adieus, eingsatu-
latory of so much concession having been gibed. the resolutions
were withdrawn, and
Lord J. RUSSELL gave sodas, that em an early day he
should move for leave to tiring in a Bill accordingly, to disfran-
chise the Borough of Grampound„ and to teamster tha right of
returning two Members to Parliamect to 1/0111, maims town.
The other orders of the slay having been disposed of, the
Searching for Arms Bill. &e. the House adjourned.
wenn cause. DEC. 13.
EMPLOYMENT DIF THE POOR.
Mr. B. WILBRAHAM presented a Petition from William
Salisbury, praying the House to take into consideration his im •
proved system for the employment of the poor. The petitioner
desired no pecuniary assistance—bi only uuplored the ]louse to .
enquire into his plans, to observe the good, effects that had
resulted from an application of them. and to point out uutousfor
die more genera) iniquities of diem.
Mr. Alderman WOO!) obsessed. that the system bad been
applied in the Cite Howe of Correction with atoms; but
whatever might be "done, he trusted that the question would 1
not he overburdened with Committees.
Mr. B. W I LBRAII AM moved, that Mr. Sa/isbury'e Petition
he referred to a Connuittse, with directions to report their opinion
hereon.
Mr. II USKISSON saw no reason for delaying this Committee,
for the House might not think it proper to appoint an enquiry
into erilarbes of such extensive drums as Mr. Owen's.
Motion withdrawn, and that Ibr the printing of the Petition
canted.

INSOLVENT DERTGRN.
Lord A 1.T110111% rose tonvwe for leave to bring in • Rill
to extend relict to Insolvent Ilebeas, a loving sd.ette.l to the
Act of die last ge.sion, he observed, that had he been then
present. he certainly should have opposed it ; and he now desired
that there should be sense alteration in the Constitution of the
Court, particularly by introducing the power to institute exami-
oatioas into the debts. Ik.e. preview to the appearance of the
parties in Court. Hs was well satisfied with the conduct of
tiovernnient m frowsy*, she Lue Commissioner (Serjesnt
Ituunington). and all Abe de&i, sweept one; aid he was so far
ratified with theosoduct of** t Commissioner (Reynolds)
that lie shouldobandon Aka • looof Pro Posing three Cthn-
missioners inateattof une. The lireriouak inquiries he proposed
to he before examinants; and he alsolleuggested that debtors
should be curepelled to take the benefit of the Insolvent Debtors'
Act after a certain 4preied. He should also propose that the
property of the debtors. instead of being sold. should be aqui*,
traced fur the benefit of theicreditors. The peseta CI expires
in April next, and unless ho esukl pin those leading ohjects
which he had now detailed. be should deem it to be his duty to
oppose,any renewalof the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
Cho Motion was speed to. aid leave given to bring in the
Bill