The National Register.
London, England, 1814-11-13 00:00:00

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sis two hig!,ty reprGhate•l in • setting up a. standard for roe- '!
nw..y io the Cliesapeake,_as an attack on propert.
kit -,,l'ot'ted, that fium tif time of toe repeal of the Ordeis is:
t-,e wir WES one of aggee..ion on the part of America.
Won iespect to the flattering description of our finaiwes given by
the Ci.aor”.llor of the Exchequer, there was no solid foundatioo for
neh is picture—on the contrary, he thought our trade was rather of
adf Tomlin description. Nothing but the termination of the wa,
v. ith America, awl toe reduction of our taxes, as much as possat,
cont.; give e.•••• hope of real advantage.
t'aVeITURIT. defended our conduct towards America, goin
over the s;,.lne grotind as the Glancellor of the Exchequer
Sir G sHEATIMOTE 1,41 W no rearms for tins county continuing',
'a state of ito.!,'A'y w:ni America, as all the causes of it had cease':
%, oh toe :::-Prioental oar.
..111:Ef`IANTLE said the country Was imp ceased with an op-
Woo that the naval atimrs were very adtWoisteted; and eon.
.eqn lstly the e-).•liet of that departreent required to be looked
e -I,•it•eurtted the maintenance of a large military force of
.),r'9)menthe Low Conntrie., without Parliament being in
ir of it ilia oag;: the tnediam of the Speech. Ihe whole I,ain
gt.,„z,.. oft Speech, and of Ministers, was that of war, with all its
;so,. L. 'ifftAN'T ed this was the first time it had ever been
din it tl,ose of Commons, that maintaining an army abroad
was n. eAreinttiottAl measure. He declared his conenrrenee in
the woposed Address, which he hoped would have been carried
unani ilonsi v.
ti,:n was then put, when a conversation of some length
cn e a :he treaty entered into for maintaining a body of troops
in pe.. as‘.. Countries—Mr. Whitbread wishing it to be Laid before
sment.
ATHURST said, there was no intention of withholding the
trelt• but they had tol instructio,,s.—After sonic further observa •
hos;;„ the manial Car an Address was put and carried.
air TIERNEY aske,l the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he
pronmeal to bring forward any of his plans of finance?
Mr, V.t YSITTART said, it world not be possible for him to bring
the an'ajeet before the House sooner than Monday. On that day,
lorwrva r if nothing happened to prevent it, he should submit part
0. ;:i• plan.

PROPERTY T.X.
M • Ttrutyr, said, as the Property-tax waa a war tax, and it
v as plain, from the Act of Parliament, it was a tax only applicable
to .e V, • w ,r, it would be necessary that sonic communication
matte to the Howe on the subject. It would also be right
that ti c 'old be given by the Right Hon. Gentleman previous
to "ringing ti subject forward. He wished to know if it was the
brew of the Right Hun. Gentleman to bring the subject forward
on an early 'ay ? •
Mr. VANSITTART said he had no such intention.
Mr. 1 lEHNEy, said, if the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to
11; it for.vard before the Christmas recess, it would be necessary
he si;onid do it within a month, or he would have but a thin attend-
ance.
VANSTTTAUT said, he had no intention of bringing forward
eithei tl,e subjvct of the Propel ty Tax, or War Taxes, before
Christmas.—Adjonrned.

WEDNESI)%vb NOV 9.

Mr. Serjeant ON‘LOW gave notice, that he elould on the
' r leave to print in a bill for the more etli.ctually seeming
the li'ierty of the i.tibjert.
FP EEMANTI.V. moved an Address to the Mince Regent for h
copy of Vie Convention concluded with the Allies, relative to the
main enance of troops in Belginm. In &fine this, the Hon. Gentle-
man eeesureil the semting these troops to Belgium, and placing them
tinder the command Of the Prince ot Orange. as rineunstitutional,
erd stated the,•e was no precedent of au EngliSli army being put
alider the absolute controul of a foreign General who was not
uteenable te err laws.
M. VA NSITTART the Convention could not be produced, as it
WAN as vet at Imperfect document, not Ravine, been ratified on the
part of the Allies. The employment the British troops in Hol•
lieit was founded on the treaty of Chaumont, when the Allies had
formed a compact to overturn ,the overwhelming domination of
Franey: it Was then agreed that a Congress should he afterwards
held fur the definitive arrangement of al) matters in dispute, and,
till that time, the contracting powers should keep on foot a certain
niter ei of troops for mutual security. The troops iu the Nether-
Isto!s were sent there in consequence, of that treaty.
Mr. WHITBREAD, after abine remarks ou the treaty in question,

NOV. 1,(7.

:diluted to the conduct of the Allied Sovereigns, and said that their
armies were extendmg themselves throughout diflerent territories,
from which it might hereafter he inipco.sible to dimodge them. They
seemed to imitate the conduct of Bonaparte, who, at the Peace of
Amiens, betwecnihe signing of the pretimiparies awl the definitive
treaty. annexed to Frauce the several Italian States. So Austria
and Prussia were now possessing themselves of different portions of
terriZory which they might not hereafter be disposed to render.
Mr. liATttunST Said, the eoncention i!selt could tot be laid be-
fore the Hone until it was ratified, but Minisitvrs had no obiiectiort
to the Pubstatttee of it being communicated to them.
Mr. FREE,MANTLE's MutIMO was thereupon withdrawn.
M (LIM.
Lord Mir..rosz wished to put some questions to the Right Iron.
Gentleman opposite, with reset to the di•errbodyili; the Militia. It
had always been understood, th•it 'Ton the restoration of peace, Cie
militia regiments were to he disembodied, while others were still kept
up. This operated ivitit peculiar beverity upon some counties %villa
others were exempt front (tic hardship. It must cue rettt:, , raises,eted, o
that r
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wives and cl:ildren of milinita.en were supported by c
other rates which fell egnally nn shy county. It, therefore, now hap-
pened, that this pressure tell exclusively on some counties, and not upon
others. It was also an amazing grievance to the men -thetwelvrs, who
hid served through so lone a war, and thought the moment atrived
when the y might rejoin their families, to find that they were still to Le
I.ept up, as if the war had still continued.
Mr. BATHuTtST said, that, aq to the point of law. the militia could
not claim to be disembodir-d while war continued. AltlionA we were
at peace with one powe7, we wets still at war with another. As to the
apparent hardship of part of the militia being disembodied, while,
another part was kept up, it might he obvious that during the ithsenve
of a great part of our regular troops it might -be necessary still to keep
up a part of our militia.--Adjourned.

THURSDAY, NOV. 10.
Thcre was nothing of interest transacted this day.

reresv, woe. li.
Mr. Cleoxrn expressed the intention of Government to place tiv.t
Marines ond Na'li on a looting with the Aley.
Colonel PALMER gave notice of a Motion for the production of Col.
Quintiles trial.
SUPPLY.—STATE OF TM?. FINANCES.
On the Motion of the CI! A NCEI 1.011 of the Exe H EQU lin, the House
resolved itself into n Crormittee of Supply.
Mr. Poresoway wished to know whether it was the Right lion. Gen.
'lemon's intention to go fully into the state of the finances of the coin.-
try, and to explain for what the-large grants were required, that was
afront to be asked of the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the Ex CHEQUER replied, that he should exploit,
the items as they were reqnired of the House. He then moved that a
supply be granted to his Majesty.
Mr. HORNER was surprised to find such enormous arrears. T.P.st
year the Army F.xtraordinaries were exceeded to the amount of Div:
millions ; this year, in one solitary line, they were told that the runi•
eipations were exceeded to the amount of ten millions. These LIIIIIP
ought to be explained. .
The CHANCELLOR of the Exert rorER replied, that those arrears re-
'lilted from the very extensive warfare carried on in the Nuitisnl,t and
France; but what were they compared with the splendid advantages
which they had purchased. Great arrears had remained unpaid, chiefly
of what was due to"the Spanish army.
Mr. 13,v !UN° thought •that these arrears remaining due to Spain—the
present Government of which had been so very grateful for the services
rendered her by England--were so evtioordinary as to demand investi-
gation. He hoped that the money recently sent was really to pay the
debt, and•that arrears did not constitute a cloak for subsidy. (iieer)
The CH A NCk T.to rt of the Exen t-Qt! IR said, that the eounny wdi
obheed to pity two millions a year for the Spanish troops, pursuant to
the stipulation made with the Government by Sir H. Wellesley.
Mr. WH II BR EAD asked whether the. present Spankh GOVIIIIIIPTIt
had not got those arrears due to the Spanish army ? for, if they kid le-
` ceived the money, doubtless Ferdinand and his Ministers had applied
it to Ole persecution of the Covernmeut censisting of the Regency and
i .
the Corte., M ith whom the stipti!to ion was made, as well as to the sub-
! inerition of Spain itself. But if England had stioxi•rted to pay two mil-
lions, where was the treaty ? .
Mr. W. Potts(wlengoin appeared on the Treasury Bench, as we:.
as Mr. Huskisson) thought that the Hon. Member mistook the busiet!s
.altogether—((fear from Mr. W.) This was the first time he had
spoken this Session, Whilst the Hon. Member had spoken twenty times
that night; and he (right to be indulged if it %vac but to relieve the

NOV. 13.

II: use hoot the mc.urtoity of Ole lion. Mrmher for Pedfor,l's voice.
As to the treaty or stiptil-rtion he should tro. promise to produce;
for the In. ore, he should a:ways take tine to consider the lion.
Gentleman's questions bei:ire he made replies or promises. lie: shuuld
advise his collea-nes to adopt the same plan, for the lion. Member did
nothing but hamper then %%NI (pie:thing, indeed it kid been his avoca•
Coo for the last 'll rears to badger the Treasury Bench.
Mr. Won IR fA D W'.s at a itiss to know who was the terrier. Not.
with•taeding the night lion. Cint!cmatt's lolly lone. he shonid neither
ah tdiu front ;Isking such questions as I is sense of duty might prompt
Um to pat, nor fear to approach the Right lion. Menther's Royal Pre-
sence .is often as occasion should require.
tlfer some further remark: from Mr. Baring and Mr. Punsonby, the
Ilt.,ointi .11 was agreed to. •Report to-morrow.
Mr. B a tlrva glve notice, that on Monday lie should move for the
production of all papers stipulating for the pay ut Spanish troops.- -
Adjourned.