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THE. NATIONAL REGISTER.

NOV. 14. -

MR. SUMNER WM proceeding to explain his object, when, mr
Bathur,t onserved that there was no glicstion before the House.
The SPEAKER then read the Motion ; upon which,
'Nit% SumwEit .said that his sole and exclusive object was to Iniug
before the House the document on which a Noble Member had
declared it to be his ;ntention. at a future period to ob4erve.
Mr. %IANKE.S that teelitig the impossibility of adopting any
other mode, c‘msistently with Parliamentary practice, he had himself
as-osted his H,,nourable Friend in drawing out the Motion hefore

t:.e Hcitse. •
Mr. TIERNEY was at a loss to conceive what inconvenience
occasioned by the prodaction of the speech as a simple
do-!.nient.
.Rose detailed the hist,lty of the proceedings on the speech
main- hy S•r F4,tcher Norton 7i7. The whiting of that speech
by no means implied the approbation of the Atomic.
1,0-4 Moues:Tit said, that having lnin so pointedly called upon
by tbe lion. Mover, he must he permitted to :ay a tcw words on a
inhit et in %%nick, as he had stated oil giving ois notice. the honour
and dignity of Parliament were •.o deeply involved. Ile was not
at piesciit prepared to lay before the House the seopo extent,
Innen lets the teatne and constrnetion of the Motion that it was his
iotintiiiti to semi it to them. This, however, he was prepared to
say. that the speech made by the Speaker at the Bar of the !louse
of Lords, conveyed expressions, which. both on Pat haute Wary and
coi stitotional (rounds, were extremely qacstiouable, and which
tle,ii*Yed the Sirious attention and the solemn investigation of a toll
I tolise C. minons --a House of Commons which should contain
those Melobeis who acre favourable to the measme to %void' the
ex pi ession he a.lludcd to referred, as well as those inimical to rt
Ii had Wet, too lung a Member of that +loose, and had too liv-
en-0y wit:l...se:l the general excellence of tLe manner in which
t;rit indivilluid had discharged the high (tidies entrusted to him, to
raider on an iiivestication (daily part of his otbend conduct w ills other
seotiin( nt• than those of the deepest resp et.
Mr. 1); IlvTnunsT showed, that the Noble Lord's conduct was
calculated to place the House in n very awkward situation. For the
Noble Lord had distinctly alleged, that the speech of the Hight
Hon. 64 iitleman in the Chair, on the occasion alluded to, was ex-
tremely epie•tionahle, d et he proposed to postpone, to a distant
day, the Oeeisioo of a viano. so materially affecting the dignity of
the House and the character of the Hight Hon. Gentleman. Of the
precise point in the Speuen, to which the Noble Lord particularly
objected, he ( Mr. B. Iva aware ; but lie hoped that, in the
consideration of that point, it was uot meant to discuss, by a side
w ind, questimi of indisputable importance, or to excite mid
flame dissentiens and aoimosities which it was so tench more desi-
iable to heal and allay. He had no hesitation in say but, that it
would he nofair to mix the discussion of the Catholic question with
the merits At. the motion to which the Noble Lord's notice referred,
and with xklkien it could have no necessary convection. If the oli!.
jest of the Noble Lord's motion was to cesisnre the Speaker for ;my
• execs.- of ditty," or departure from Parham( Hwy praotiee. that •
ought to tie stint(' at once, and immediately investigated, without
rat.: ring to the Catholic question. At whatever time, or ender
whatever encomstaoces, it was meant to tiling the Noble Loid's
notion under discussion, it was _fibs ionslv necessary to have the
(locum( ut to which the motion before the lionse allude d..
Mr. AVILITBREAD !aid, that it seemed to he the intention to pre•
vela tla• extension of time proposed by the Noble Lord's notice,
and !iv following up the present Motion with something, to get
till
Of that in the contemplation eat the Noble Lord. Ile hoped that
the Motion of the Hon. Gentleman would not he persevered in;
he thought it more expedient not to produce' it till the time of the
proposed debate.
Lora CA6TLERCACIt 11101121 It the Noble Lord had placed himself
and the Chair in a painful situation. Feeling on the sidiject of the
Catholic question as much interest as the Noble Loud, and with
equally sinee c and ardent wishes for its ultimate snreeSS, he
thought no good c:inld result from any oblique introduction 'at it.
As to the sentiments of the imputed speucli, he certainly must pro-
test against them ; yet he did not think that they might not admit
of a very- ditli rent construction from that pot Nom them. It was
impossible to conceive the Spc aker to have been actoateil by any
imptoper motive; tior did he see how the Howe could amilyie a
motive with a view to decide whether the Speaker's condoet
had
been correct ear otherwise. At any rate it was important. and
pet frothy conskteot w ith 'impiety, that the House >lioulct lea‘e
iu
the most -authentic shape the document oil which they' should pro

ct
Mr. C. WI'NNE WiAled to add to the Motion, the words " for
the use of the Members.
Mr. TIERNEY Said; 105 Noble Friend had been uojnstly arraign-

rd as litivitta placed the Sve;.ker in a ph“.fit' s; li.ts Sin dker,
I fact, had placed himself in that situation. Ms ea might
hive been good, yet they Lppeared to dt serve animadversion, And
investigation. whet* won::‘; be I,tst com.iteted- in ihe tid-
iest possible House. Indetd) he thought it rai ver,sion tin aCkl 1
of the-House.
Mr. Rs. DER and Mr. Aar:.cP.t.atni spcke iu fiiVolll rif the Mo

tion.
The SPFAKFR.—" Before I put the quiNtiort, I think it races...
wary to say a very few %vigils. I fini:i.r:r plow to enter upon any
vindication of illy conduct, merely liecause that is not question
before the House. I shit be able to induce the foulest conviction
that I have in no degree transgiessed the high duties ortny office."
(Hear. bear !)—The ipiestion was then carried ithout a division.
THANKS TO LORD WELIANGTON AND HI: ARMY, &c.
Lord C sert.r.rt Emit' rose, and moved Votes of 'thanks to Mar-
quess iron, sir Thomas G'ah.im. awl the other officers and
troops I:. Alitrio:c•s, similar to thwe it,..Jee,l to this
in the Upper House. Ilk Lordship spoke with fervent cxolta-
; ion rat the high state of di-eiplinesm Inch the l'ortuotese and Spanish
;milik . had attained, deseant Ulf ;at huge on the valour they had dis-
pNycd at various places %%here they were cngage.l, and expressed
the most sanguine hopes not oniy af the result of the contest, but
• that the protection tat those countries itg•iit be left to the vigOrons
coinage and growing skill of the native arnties of Spain and Per-

fugal.
The several motions were cart led non. con. and the House sd-
jou' neJ.

TUFiIIAY, snv. 9.
Mr. LoclutAn r signified that lie vvi!nld gi%e untie: of a motion
on sonic future day, will' a view uf teinovieg.eci-tain object:killable
parts in the lusolvoat Dcht..rz.' Act of last SeAon.—Adjoartted.

wrntiesn%y, Noe. IQ.
The Moose being in a Committee of Supply, Mr. W. Ortinas
ro'e to propose the annual grant of seamen and mai wes for the ser-
vice of the year; the only ditit reoce hetw ern the pre•ent vote amt .
that of last session w fluid be an inn eit%e in the ;;rant i'or the.vie..
Nulling, and wear and tear of the navy', ill con-equenve it the ad-
vanced 'nice of pi ovkious, and the exit oiled nature 01 the service.
lie concluded with mu' tog, that there lie granted to his Majesty,
tOr the servile of the prestnt )(al', I iO,OOO seamen, and 31,1e0 ma-
rines.
.Mr. BARING was surto bed that some reduction was not made in
our naval istablishini nt, considel big how little there was Or it to
do ; the enemy was not able to send a fleet to Sil* and )et it),(10(1.
CMltlil Halle sett asked than our establi•liment aleoneted to- at
the hat tle of Trafalgar. lie likewise animad t I i ver_ce, 11 NI "nl:4`. iCIIII%,
..,
On Re mode in which our natal warfare had hien eolatoetcd cut
the coast of :lines lea, a mode which, he said, hail been disgraceful ._
to the country, both in a civilized and political point or view.
Amt.' lean to igates had been stiffen ii to go out of, and to corny into,
their oo n plats w ith eil•,C. A t one time w e had no le-s than nir ty
or forty sail of essi Is collected in the Chesapeak—a halllol-11' 1% /10l
those who knew it, knew the practicability of blockading. These
din ty or forty ships were kept there ani-ing themseive,, or milkr
foe.‘ ering the character of the British navy, loaning houses arid
•I eds, and doieg, politically much injuiy. The war on the Laker .
had also been conducted iii an efficient way—we had been dr:vers
from L,!ke Erie, and Sir James VI o wa- without a et nipeteot terse
to maintain our superiority on that of OntNiii). }k should lav no
farther stress on these ;mhos at present, but wished to la) !him
before the vonsideration of the House
Mr. Dundas, Lord Castlereagh, and Mr. Croker, replied to the
shark: of Ali.. Baring ; they said the enemy had 'lf) sail of tier roe.
at l'onlon, %.-7 in the Scheldt, and other force in the Adriatic, a t
Brest, Chi s bourg, and the Texel.— Numerous-fleets w ere necessary
to watch these harbours and to protect the conmierce of titter:lmm v.
So tar tram having an excess of force, had it not been for the aid
of the Russian fleet; Ministers would not have been able to send a
tOrce to all-the quarters where the public •ervice required it. With
1 respect to the operations of Sir J. Warren in Anwriea, they bail
operated materially to promote the success of the campaign, and
Nlmisters were at any time equal and willing to reply to any. chaige
of mar - administration, or improper warfare, on the American
coasts.— the Resolutioes were teen put and agreed to.
Mr. RAPIIKE4 brought in a Rill for seeming the Purity f Eli (lion
in the for -- - -nd `de. - 'he read
a seci.aul
The II
of lust

rcutl
lorosigh of Hektotie.—Read a tiist, and ortleieu •: lie
time on Wednesday.
lion. ileint;er then brought in hip Bill to continue • Aet
Season; preventing the grant of Sinecure Ofticeb u, 1%4
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