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peace diering—(ollll iR 411 couched in the fol-
lowing terms. which f.,m d tire application to the
Lord Chasiberloin's Office for the restitution of the
plate:—
" Lady Ala Hasnihes is eniesseled by her Majesty
Gleerll Caroline ha dative Mr. Mark will give the silver plate,
her property, given her hy Yin Genie 111. to she bearer,
John Hieruasomies, her Illsjesif steward!'
The Lord Chamberlain, however was not se
much alive to her Msjesty'l eiviiership as was ex-
pected` and rePlied that the plate, according to his
orders, had been removed to the Jewel Office. So
tat from this answer being either harsh or indica.
roue, it. was positietly the only answer the lased
Chamberlain could properly give. Bet this *Hs
not the first tithe her Majesty had mistaken the
real tenere by which she held this propettr, and
which, as he hod before stated, was merely 'mend-
ed fur her use in Kensington Niece. When the
Princers'of Wales wit molting her ortangements
for going to, the Continent in 1814, she ordered
this plate to be pocked up by her servants. for the
purpose of removing it with her. It was accord.
ingly packed up, hut stopped before it could be
removed to its destination by the following official
communication from the Lord Chainberldin's
Office :

" Mr. Mash present* hie compliments, and sends an in-
ventory of the King's plate, sad requests she same may be
immediately packed top for the purpose of being kept in the
Jell Office, until her Kuril Highness's return front Ike
Continent."
'flit plate wait accordingly, by this of hater•
position, prevented from bring at that tide removed
from the country. This was not the only step
Ailiten, out the part of her Majesty for the removal of
this *le, u the following notification would ex.
plain
a Sir Orli is commanded by the Princess of Wales
to direct that her Royal Highness's plate, in the care of she
Lord Cbainberlain's department, Amin be delivered to Mr.
Hooper, her agent, fur the purpose of being sent to her as
quirk as pussible, as she has at present an obsolete necessity
tur its use.
" Dated at Genera. September 28, 1914."

Tin. answer giveu to that application was—

" Thnt the Lord assroberlain had no aotbority to olloot
or:). part :hereof to be removed, as refrired by Sir William
Cell's order."

This was the exact state of the case, which the
impatience of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
prevented his taking the paint of intermitting before
lie made the motion. So much for " the wretched
feeling and degraded system" that was said to have
dictated the course pursued at present to her Me.
jety, as if it was the first time the subject was
stinted., and as if it had arisen from the present
situation no which her Majesty was unhappily placed,
—(llear.)-11 the poly object were to consult her
Majesty's personal satiogection and cotivenience,
Loi4 Liverpool's answer was surely decisive upon
the poiuts—it offered to the Queen at once a suitable
soppy of plate fur any residence she might .elect.--
I le %mild again implore the House to consider the
nature of this subject, and take a course open the
resent motion winch would prevent this course of
dreggieg before the eyes of the public lamentable
sraiisactiint• of this kind. and lacerstiag them cc this
'vas. He had usuuglit indeed that the want of sue-
..ess which had liithetto attended such attempts
would prevent their recurrence ; but as this was
unhappily not the care, he trusted the. kionae would
made this first approach' to involve Ulu discusaions
which would bring into tie* those details which
thi7 could not lily open with either propriety ur
delteacy so the Royal Family, and which certainly
.could not be made matter of discussion there
with any advantage to any of the parties con..
verneil. The Queen", advisers ought to know that
hi. Nlaiesty's Ministers were not inaccessible to
tocir claims fur Any inquiry which they thought
roper to desire; every convenience which they
thought proper to ask for the comfort of her Ma-
jesty would freely be given. Why. then, did
they not in this case resort to that channel for in.
foimation ? Why, too, wait a rortitglit after the
answer of the Lord Chamberlain, and then not
wait • day for the presence of a Minister in Ins
Place to give a necessary explanation ? If his
Hon. and Learned Friend..-/,a laugh)—if the Hon.
iii i Liereitt. Gentleman had wailed so long, he
might hay. seen thr.propriety of not rushing into
but h a gustation.- without himself consulting those
persons who were likely to give him accurate infor.
motion respecting the transaction. That course lie
was certainly bound to take before he nor-tutored a
topic so little calculated to add to the dignity or
honour of the Crown or the character of the coun-
try. The perpetual agitation of such topics in the
absence of proper deformation, could only have a
tendency to lower the dignity oilier Msjesty, or to
create, if that were possible, a disinclination to ex-
tend to her whatever indulgences her situation might
Iw susceptible of. He hail alri'!ady said euough to
chew the desire that existed to runtish be; plate, or
wh.itever else might conduce to her personal cow-
hat ; but with refereisee to this crown plate, she
was, as the documents lie had read proved, utterly
mistaken as to the mode in which they were in.
trusted to her. She might just as well have claim-
ed a right to his estate as to the plate in question.
The King could. not dispose of it its the moonier
alleged. The plate consisted of old Crown plate of
king William's, with other articles, nut wade out of
the Privy Puree, but furnished from the Lord
Chamberlain's department,- which necessarily mode
them public, not' private property. After what
lie had said, it only remained for hilts to urge the
tieetasity of putting au. immediate negative upon
this monism—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Lord A. HAMILTON was fd admit that in
retiklisence of what hot Miro from, the Noble
Lord upon the subject.nf this *plate, the ettotion of
hi Hon. and Learned Friend Inuit 'fall to the
groans'. If he undersj.atd tlie Noble Lord right,
lie couletided that his late 'Majesty had- not the
power of alienating this CrlliVd plate.—(Hear, hear.)
so, of course the gtaireueonld put in no claim
of property for luerrelrtit-171:tie so situated. lie was
Perfectly tonvince.d, -however, that if her Majesty
had not supposed herself invested with the right
possessing this plate, -the wobld never here put
'o the claim she held drips eriitiectlug it ; slit had
w. doubt thought all Aloog the property to, bent,
and provided for her own use. opinion was
now, doubtless, an-:streer and -if -U. wairt-true
the 'King :nester did, order this plate fur her ..as
a pretreat, Uwe, efoestorit., thefts -woo No ead.4to the
elands-which fusiseved she had iv ibis-
property's Thert-we*' one- or two -obsef-votious he
dill himself tibder the necessity of molting in Oats

iloettee of 411011ixid &limn troll". Ike *iiible Lord ;ill
postle. The Noble L1;4"4 hood severely
Cenouted the
Oftfotitlttion orthie S cat. tit, ghat 'Olt WI Xi krill" ress
the 'tionsideririe attesting doe's. Ph Modesty's Minister", for
their desire to consult the comfort an coatesienec of the
Queen. He (Lord Archibald) wee ilefeetlh airily to admit
that stick mistral subjects as this might not to be lifthtly it
uniticesidrily made mattera d.f discuss' • in that NOUN
he adaiitted they were aeSt inidects for inVestigation
there, anti ought slot to be started until all hopes of ot-
BlanetiOn elsewhere had venishel..w(tirine„ Mar, bear.)
et Ire 11141.14, was sot the particelar situation of the (111,11111
use 'Mach prompted her to seek redress for a grievairce any
wbeeg best from his Majesty's Miaisters?--(Hear.)—What
Lail not beer the treatment she received at their hands ?
(ihar.)—Wbew the Nobie Lord talked of the artful ninon-
motion of the public mind, and of Ike system by which he
said it was kept up, he *Mid ask him in his turn, to what
was that irritaties to be traced but to the course pursued
IttglltUlli her Majesty?—(t/ear.)—To what but the unmerited
degradation 111 which Ministers at the outset cumigned her
was this spirit to be ascribed ?—Nerd be go back further
than the excleatse of her Majesty's 'same from the
Liturgy..—(Plear hear, Aar}--to skew the sort of treatment
she had received from them who now wanted to claim credit
tor their forbearance ?—(liear.)...Whesi the Queer came
over to this country had she any suitable residence provided
fur her? She was refused a proper vessel fur her convey.
mice; she was refused the use of a Palace fur her establish-
meat. Had she wit been trona beginning to did exposed to
every difficulty? Her Attorucy and Solicitor General were
not at preseut with her (we believe the HMI. and Learned
Gentlemen are on Circuit) good she had little means of 'loin
justice to her own situat• . When the Queen' was said to
excite clamour, what would be said to the late aitnek upon
her ip a Paper eoluriuusly seeder the iefluelece of Guyer's-
meet (The Monthly Po f), which had broadly stated that the
Queru was in the way of the public pence, and ought to be
gut rid if, either as a victim or a criminal.—(t/ear, hear.)—
The Noble Lord concluded by deploring this ntamer of
treatiug tier Majesty, and hoping, that as her household
stock was now 'applied to her or hire, same inure suitable
mode would be provided fur administernag to her comfort
and conyenience.—(Hier.keer.)
Mr. R. Ilewrtw spoke against the motion.
Mr.HErcitinsote begged is, say a few words omit the per.
sent occasion, though he mist complain of the uecessity
of saying any thing Now, sus a Member who would possibly
have hereafter to decide gravely open a eineetim ties drag-
ged forward in some degree, in a case like this, unadvisedly,
so he thought, in the present temper of the public Med.
On the sees its of the painful question which now occupied
the public toned, be bad formed no minion, anxious to re-
tinas', as it weskits boandas duty to remain, entirely impar-
tial, uutil the whole circumstances of the ease were fully
and regularly before him —(fleter.)—His Noble Veined had
frankly avowed that the Noble Lord opposite had made ont
• complete case against the motion of the liou. and Lead-
ed Geolleman. A more complete answer 10 II motion he
(Mr. Hutchinson) did not remember to have ever beard. The
statement made by the Hun. and Learned Gerelemaa last
Saturday 'evening, sod which hail gorse forth to the public
with that getter"' mi;cisracy which dietiugeished the Geiii!e.
rams who attindia. ter the debates, wad eerteinly proved by
what had Lille', from the Noble- Low to be wholly destitine
of foundetion:—(liettr.)--The Hon. sad Leonia] Gast lents'.
had thought proper to lase roost pointed laegunge, reyroloist-
lug those shots he deemed to be the advieere fef al". treat.
meat towards the Queen respecting this plate. lift oocild
not help regretting that so respectable a Meaalier bad not
sheen himself better informed .psis I be tarts of the eysielrefore
he veer ured to use the language he heel dome upon liesiNecl.
Sorely the terms ° mean," " despicable," u shabby," amain
not to have been applied without snore mature considers:
lion aid kuowledge of all the cireiteastaares Vibe transac-
tion. He could not help regretting the existence any where
of an apparent desire to excite premature discussion upon
this subject, and he repinbeted the part taken by a portion
of the public preis on the present .cession. lie yielded to
no man iii a slicers desire to uphold the liberty of the
press, but • be eould sot look et suck a paragraph is that
which lately appeared against the Queen in The ,Iforminy
-Post, wi:Joint west demereet. Hfileirerament hai the pewee
of:peetsbiag the asinine of such • paragraph, it was their
ditty to do sm.-41feet-, heur.)—He bad also seen other am-
!lverts% in another Paper, certainty more respectable than
the one be had. nteritineed, in which a great deal of cut.
palate and remehensitile language had been used. What
could be more inflammatory or mtrageons than to go the
o length. fur so ore paragraph he had seen did, of entourag-
ing the destruction of some of the foreign witnesses?—
flieer.)—Whot tendency could met, leetreage have bet to
impede the course of impartial justice? How could the re.
spectable part of the press so fee forget its chancier as to
call some of these witeesses " errfaute pert/u'•," and as to say
that " London was too hot to contain III!. t" that they
were gone away, hot it was said would aloofly come bark,
sad then " NOW f rerrorr,," whether they will or 11,11 He
yielded to oo man in his anxiety te epaulet the dignity and
impartiality of jostiee in 'hie ease. He was es desirons as any
man for Ike liberty of the perm, fut a reform of all abuses,
beginning with a reform in that House; bat he moat protest
against Ibis inflammatory course of obich he tomplained
he protested against it because it belonged to a system of
intimidation. which all honourable met' were boon(' to
resist, come from what quarter or whet Milk it may
Fur his part, no isitimitlatkon should prevent him on this, ai
be trusted, as on every other occasion, front the rigid and
independent performance of his public duty —(lfenr.)—He
couceived that this .111141116•11101111 affair, whit+ Waled the
public mind, had been misinanaged. If such an offence as
that of *MA the Moorhen* personage was chneged were in
fact committed, there ought to have been Ito compromise.
Wilk reference to the permit motion all he should say was,
that lie believed her Majesty must have thought she was en-
titled to this plste,or Etat she would *ever have applied for its
restoration to her po*sessiou as she had doer. lie again re-
pelltii with ',wroth what be eariesidered to be a coarse of in-
ioll, which had been pursued elsewhere, and declared
that isothisig should prevent his purseing 1111 impartial
course through this most painful business. He Ms-
ecrely hoped that the Queen would be able satisfactorily
to establish tier innoeenee; sou person would more sincerely
rejoice at such en event than he should, end if her prosecu-
tion should ultimately be proved In hare been a perseco.
tiou, thenothors of it wonlil, in shut Mlle, he trusted, be
held up nut only le the punishment of that House, but the
execration of the country, at large—(Hear.)—After the
replawation •hich had bees given lee winst oppose this
motion: Me begged most distinctly to ilti an vtiabout beilag
usaderstootllia the gangliest degree to give any opinion upon
the merits of the general ipsestion which was au passion), to
come ender public investigatina. Let that be impartially
eununcted without ietimace at either side, and Hon the
country would beintiati Hese, hem.)
Mr. STUART WoarLeW said, he entered the House Ibis
evening with painful seurations, fur he did think that if the
Queen had been treated in the manlier the lion. and Learn-
ed Gentleman's *peach of Saturday bail indicated, his mu-
tton would stand justified. But How after the refutation of
the Noble lord mar him,,that impreasiou was removed from
Isis mind ; mid he hoped it would furnish a salutary lesson to
the public to atioid etreiv;ifg those partial impressiosil which
are systematically attempted to be made for the purpose of
distressing and agitating the public mind. He believed
that. if the Hue. sad Learned Gentleman bad known the
facts stated by the Noble Lora, be
dal ced this motion. Her Majesty, perluiPs, sit some person
about her, must have known some of those facia, mil rt was
singular that the Hog. and Learned fieutlentan had not lir. iv
powered of Meter information upon the guljeel.
Mr. threitission.saiii, that his Majesty could uti more part
with Alit old. plate, of the Crown than he could with the
Crown lands, pave by the concurrent advice of she Lords of
lbe Treasury, in's warrant specifically drawn up fur the oc-
tasithi; inch An lastroment•was essestial to Stir peritoneal '
eueveystree of any piste .from the ..level-olliers •here lbe
Crown plats not is use *RR generally fterilited•
rermait.
bereft brinz iu -the Treasury in ISOP, then the Late king ur-
dereil apartureirts to he listed up fur the Queen 111;Et.11111i1:1411
rillltCr, awl also the requisition to the Lord Channel'.
lain to forniali the necAsary phire,Waethroware,•he. Solna
dismitrion tools place at 'the time betveren the Lords 44 tire
• 1 Treasury nail the Lard Chvglierleinorewoing the nnede of
prou'dime this plote, mud he' hail himself miggetied at tire
time, wills a ties of reducing the expense, au inquily Ate

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titer Moho was ail old Citsw• Pia* ItUdi *mad N !Wit 15
assayer filch a worm* Dwelt einoorpodossip made, Morse
of Kinl lVilltaoy plain watt tizia, sad alswealutaledlue
the id a
lethe Prielerio ler Kerialogion
The whole blellatal wdi vetrolaeil sod fenteally
transacted between the LoWs of die Treasery and the
Lord Cileattierlain, bat it iieb .alters were where a •
similar sceissonsidertiota vii Premiad for Royal resideols in
any of the Palaces. The entry at the time in the books,
sad lie begged to say that that entry was made in the
year Ulna, specified expressly that the plate was " few her
use is Kesaington Palace." Precisely of the same eaters
*es the Doke of CaniStidge's possessing' of royal plate while
be hod isparbestota I. St. Joints*. Pelmet; when his Royal
Highoess mimed hi a priests boom, the plate he seed to
the palest was duly reformed to the Lord Chamberlain...,
(ffilate.)-o-The dime at Windsor could sot be removed else-
where without a Waralut Weed for the purpose, mid. ea en-
try of the marmot Mode by which the property mow he
duly traced. He we,. astonished hew the Queen coedit have
fallen into Mich a ontwonceptam respecting thia property,
for, if he did not mistake the matter, cm one of the former
•pplieslione In the Lord Chamberlain it had bee. explained
to Mr. Hooper, who was then bur law sgesit.--o(Pleor)
Dr. I.l:monorcio explained the way is which the subject
had devolved mum. hien in the absence of his Learned
Friends. lie had, therefore, no !Mkt hat to discharge
the duty intrusted to him, sad le do so..as he trusted be
should lie Count to do throughout the whole of the arduous
prom-editor which were impeoling, with lategrity, Aria.
ness, and perseveresice.—(ffear, hesr.)--Het thee josti-
fird the application of her Majesty, who acted waist the
belief that the King had' presented her with the plate L-of
course he could nut rwan each part of it as was old (hewn
property, hut with that which was *hushed at the time to
"'cite up the •eri4!ce. •He drfeeded hirnielf for having
b.-algid on Ibis subject ow Saturday, mot repeated, that
his Learned Friend hattigivea that notice of his intention to
the Noble Lord whirl) courtesy reqiiireil on such an occasion.
He was compelled on Seto/gay to bring on the motion when
called upon ply the Speaker Is regolor course, and nut know-
ing then that the House would sit irouirrrilw, or that be
could have had any other emparionity of bringing ou the
motion, if he neglected the use then before him. He dis-
claimed in the iiiireoluction of kit minims any woh to excite
popular inlammation ; if he had knows any other chanted
of obtaining any ad•siate ieforniation, he should sot have
resorted to an application to that House. He aright
advise her Majesty to make any appeal to the people, ex-
cept io a ease of great and deep necessity.. He Sibela re.
viewed the ungracious treatnient motored by the Qmew from
hie Majesty's M mister', both before and sines her arrival in
ibis conitiry ; their refusal to give her the royal yacht to
',nine over, or a palace here for her resideuce. He was in-
clined to t hink thal tot doubt wee tbrowd over this traneketioo
until the late venerable King was not in a condition to set
the matter right ; had that Monarch lived lie (Dr. L.) enter:
tamed a strung opinion that no such inquiry as the Present
would ever lie made. He defended the candela of the
Queen in her short daily escaroles's, and asked whether
it was fair to expect that to avoid the inquisitiveness of a
crowd her Majesty should for ever abut heeself op in • small.
home, the blinds of which were constantly kept flown to
avoid the public curiosity of the crowd always assembled In
fiiiirt• He did not think it was either honourable or veer-
ig. to cast those imputations upon 'her Majesty, sorroilad-
ed is she now woe with her calamities and misfortuites.—,
(Hear, keor.)--He ruirellided by ilapiog, that if any blame
were imputable in this transattioot it should he opus
bun, and not WI her Miljesty.
Lord CASTLEN.EAOH explained that the note from the
Queen's Solicitor-Gem-rat was left et his office on Saturday
morning, but he did not receive it until the evening.
Mr. fluxcnixsow explained, mid the Motion was thirst &e-
-volved.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
The CHANCELLOR of the Excirequsa gave notice, that
he uhullid lu•niorrow move that the House do, at its rising.
to-morrow, adjoung until Monday next.
Sir WM. CURTIS brought up the Report of Ilse Commit.
tee respecting an inquiry conuecied with the site of the New
Poet Office.. •
This Report led is a conversation, in which far Wm. Cm-
tie, Mr. Calvert, and Mr. Peter Moore expressed the strung
opinions they entertained in favour of Me. Browses claim.
The Report was ordered t. be prided.
EXCHEQUER WRITS.
On the motion of Mr. LOCKHART, accounts were ordered
of the number of writ,, declaration*, interlocutory judg.
menu,, &c. signed in and issued out of the Exchequer Court
duriug she last three years. ".• •
The oilier Orders of the Day were then read, and the
!louse adjourned.

MAJORITY AND MINORITY
ON Tilt RFPORT OF THR SILL FOR WILDING NSW

DARIIACIIII IN THE REGENTS PANE.

MAJORITY.

Arhithnot, West Dawkins, H. Nightingale, Sir M.
. -eon. r. Divett, T. Ommanney, Sir F..
Arlailit, i.se T. Davenport, D. Pole, RI. liii.W.W.
4tartirip, Lord. Dun, Sir A. Pennant, G. H.D.
A Tuvel,, .A. Danville, Sir C. Prclwl, Sir T.
Pairlltit; Hatory Downie, Robt. Prendergast, J. 8.,
lisitri,d, J. Ellison, C. Plumber, John .•
Bathurst, Li. Hon. Forrester, F. Pringle, Sir W.
C. B. .Fire, Karl of Robinson, Rigs..
Bruer°, James Grant, A. C. Hun. IF
Bent, John Graham, Sir J. Seott, Sir lVm.
Blair, J. H. theville, Air C. Somerset, imrd G.
Bradshaw, R. 11. Haiskisatto; Right St. Paul, Sir N.C.
Pinning, Lord Huo. W. Fearyd, N.
Roswell, Atm Hilt &v.v. Sheldon, R.
Barnard, Vise. Harvey, Air E. Stewart, Wm.
Castlereagh, Vise. Harvey, C. Seymour, Hugh

Curti., Alderman Holmes, W. Timorous', C...
Ciotti', E. J. Hollins% lend Trench, Colonel
Clamming, G. Ilan, Gewersl Thyase, Lord .1.
Calvert, John Harding, Sir H. Tulk,C. A.
Cautiing, Rt. Ha. G. lit ing, J. . Towasheutt. Hn. H.
Cockburn, Sir G. Jolliffe, 11. Vaissittart, Right
Courienay, T. P. Kerr, D. Ilan. N.
Courtenay, Wm. Lemke, %Vaa.• - %Voltam, Rt. Hon.T.
Cherry, G. H. Letter. R.L. %catmint, k . J.
Chichester' A. Lowther, laird • %Ca crawler, Sir G.
Clark, Sir G. Lockhart, W. E. %Card, Hon. S. W.
Clive, Hon. Ruht. Mitchell, .1. %i'iirol, Rubt.
Dobsou, Dr. Mutintatarles, IA Warren, Guides
1/unolois, W. R. K. Minoru, Lard R. Wall, C. H.
Douglas, John Munday, G. . TCLLIU.
piaileorell, J. E. Marlin, 11. Palancruton, Vier.
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Allen, J. H. , Hamilton, Luna A. Pryse, Pryse .
Anson, Ileti.O. 'legitimate, G. J. Mantis, A.
A uhr..y, Sir 4. ... Hobtxragr, J. C. Rsharia, Geer**
Bill ?VII, J. 111. Hutches, W. L. Robinson, Sir G.
Refusal, R. Hume, Jos. Rowley, Sir W.
Rrialst, Henry Hutchinson, Hun. Reinhold, C.
Buxton, T. F. C. H. Russell, Lied G. W.
&meths's, W. R. Langateve,.l FL Russell, 11. G. .
liknot, Joins . Leeson, iir W. Smith, R.
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Cestrannun, Lucius Maxwell, J. Taylor, IN. A.
Diem, T. H. Mmick, J. R. Wester*, Cie!
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Eh/derma; Vise. Ord, W. WlNissw, W.
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f liaarralil,Lerd W. Parer, Tbnlisall Wilson, Sir Rola,
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. CONMON e 4 tOO/41.
. • • • 0911.111tAldlis
Yesterday a Spacial tang Res held for the pus.
'smut& cosseidering of Partiunni to he ireeeented to
both Houses' of Niliteuterit, aisiteit 'the fisettiii
progress of the Bill of Pains end Pemilties, mow
pitstiteig through the House of Lords, fur the de.
initiation and divorce of her Majesty the Queen.
The intuitive of ske last Cobh being wadi is.
*ether with the requisition upon which sae melting
was caned--
Mr. FAYELL rose. He repressed hie regret tkat
the inisoiess which he should hive the honour to
handl:et bud not fallen to the ntainsfetnent of
tome inure able advocate, whose legal knowledge
Might
:have given mote eatiornatiou to those litho
bead hitn, and more certaiiitt to the result of the
Heiolutious he hod to offer. He felt confident
however, that in whet he had to sohlinit, the Court
*mild, discover nothing hut what had undergone
hit meet serious cud deliberate eonstideration, aced
though he could boast no greet store of legal knoer-
ledge historic he had had the adttintage of selerail
wise men of much experience in comaton and civil
km. by savor* every sentiment had been well and
thoroughly rifted which he would have the honour
to propose. The question iiivolited was as mu-
nietitons,ai;ver was discussed in that Court. The
!wifes chie y interested were of the most exalted
rank. The interests and honour of the House of
Bruisswiek were deeply involved; interests *kith
were perhaps even more momeutous than -these
*err concerned. Kings and Queens might pass
away, but the great principles of British law and
British justice should nor, would not. be allowed to •
pass away. ft would even he to the honour of that
Court that they bad done all in-their limier to pre.
venttheus from palming away, to preserve and con-
tinue !hens In • current as pure as crystal, and as
loot as justice could endure. Two ways had present. '
thotrioseives of carrying into effect the object which
Ise hid to propose. The first oils. to carry up an
Address to the Throne ninon the Bill of Pane and
. Penalties; the lecond wets, to Petition both Houses
-et Parliament against the Bill. Por the first of
Allele merles he would say that serious and
im-
litsitant cOletiderations offered to induce the Court
to mire the edeasitage of their privilege of going up
in the Throue with an Address. When they con-
. iiidered the prima facie outline of the proceedings,
end without making any remarks or allusions which
liesield he constraint into a desito to effect any tiling
like popular clamour ;. when_ they considered that
the evidence offered aspired the Queen was secret
, evidence, which had been opened by oue House of
Parliament and rejected by another ; whet' they
reflected that a considerable and most respects-
tde party in the House of Commons voted au ad-
dress to the Queen, declaring that the bare in-
vestigation of that evidence would be derogatory
from elle dignity of the Crown, and dislionouralne i
to the throne and the kingdom ; and when, More-
over, the proceediOg of itself as to its justice, and
...the authority upon which it was established, was
taken from the wont outbids* of tyranny in the
worst times of English history, there seemed to he
enough to delnand that the Court should lose no
time in exerting its privileges by carrying up
a strung Address of neinonstrauce alienist that
measure. lisAt his Mauls thought it right. un-
doubtedly hn,- could, have felt no hesitation
in proposing such a course to the Court, but
he was not disposed to go so far in *Soaring and
exercising their righte 'as to pelt it in the power of
other, to make charges of rashness or imprudence.
Hr aid his friends bud considered that the subject ,
was out upon which they could not have addressed
the Throne without the danger of giving great pain
an I dissatisfaction. The 'flannel of the great
wire too frequently unhappy ; such contracts seem-
ed to be ftilfilled with more williogness, :Ind were
more uniformly boinfortable in their resulti among
the middle ranti of life. These reflections aid the
consideration of ,how actively the personal feel-
ions of the Monarchs and the family must hr inter-
ested in what was goini on, the probable effects
which it might have on the Succession to the Throne,
the degree of kindred in which the Queen owed with
respect to the firmly, independent of her marriage,
altogether left little to guide them in their course.
They had, however, done their best; and whatever
might come out in the coenie of the proceedings trl
induce them to appeal to the Throne, it had been
+ thought best for the present to confine the eterti'e
of their rights to relenting petitions to boils
Houleti of Parliasitent. lie now had to throw him-
setf on the indulgence of the Court while he offered
a few remarks on the propriety of the course which
had been selected. He sew Mail honotirahle per.
sons opposite to him on whom of such a question
he could rely With confitleoce for cooling to u con-
clusion from just and equitable considerations alone.
He Would couctude the liner outline of his motives
which he wen immediately about to submit, by pro-
posiug to their cousiderabon a series of Resolutions
leading to the necessity of presenting petitions to
the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and to the
House of Commons. In doing this he disclaimed
any interference with any questions of policy, or
examination of the separate functions of the several
power's in the state, except such as related to those
benefits and privileges of justice which it was the
ilea of the meanest individual to claim. Ile then
deecairted on the persecution of the Queen, from the
earliest period of her misfortunes to that of the..
, prover-dine recently introduced for operation a
divorce between her and her Royal husheild. 'I he '
course resorted to for the bitter purpose yes ibis
usual, seldom in the liesetiee of the Conan ettilin,
and never resorted to in ,cliargee eigrinst Queens,
except by that Royal butcher (so lie Would call
him, for such be was in the treatment of his wive.)
Henry VIII. The very mode of proceeding by a
Bill of Pains and Proulties, line of itself* supiciuus
circumstance for the justice and rest merits of the
sale. It wits a course seldom adopted, except to-
wards individuals who were become obnoxious
to the Crown, and at *as remarkable that sub-
nequeut Parliament, lied often reversed the at-
minders on Bills of Pains and Penalties so
brought. It was a mode of proceeding which
of neeraity mutt lie ditedvantageout to one of
the pasties. He dill not deny ilia Owe might
I,,cases to Ouch it would be impossible to fulfil
the ends of justice but by skewl proceedings- in
Parliament. He could concrite the case of-a fa-
iroutite of die Cities's, so exalted • by the bounty of
His Sovereigns it bat to be reached by the ordiustri

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mutest of jos/lite ; Edit tate! 'slat pOnislith.toftl
Were found to Uri:6ll.4g the process ....,
to be by impeachment at the bar of the House:
of Lords. The best principle of the Cum's.'
etitution might thins full he •presertiedi and %he ..
oceueed party *mild still -Wee the advaettge •
a a fair trial by Peet.. Generally speortli gi.
there must be a strong feeling of prejudice egaii.iit •
Bills of Pains and Penolirei. and the orsly'sdinis::
sible reason for adopting them would he where the
parties were of such rank tis not to be autenable hay
any other cpurse of proceeding. The Bill i.i flue-
lion had two objects—the delfradation of the Queen
and a divorce. She had stated her desires repeatriee
to a constrtestiorial trial, according to the
wiry course of justice. She had been refused a tint
of wituesies. He expetiated on the charnel..4a
which rumour attributed to the *Owner, the tin.
certain and suspicious mature of their evidence, aid
the delectiveues. of the tharoe. He had been told .
by a Learned Civitrin that tare were no spelt treats
as adulterous intercourse known to the civil
The question in that Omit was always ailulteay or
no *dolt/try ; gurhy or riot guilty ; and U tact
wee to be circornstaritially framed. As to adulterous
intercourse, it was a term to Segue and of sour
dangerous application, 'het it was impossible to say
to litrw tunny famiiies of logl, rank it might or wiisht
not •pply. He thought the precedent of geitiLs
rid ore wife; however mistimes*. in her deportment.
without direct proof. most dengerou.; as it scut to
subvert that principle of British law; which inure
than any other preserved the chattiest' of Married.
life, which always mimed reluctantly ill proceediewa
teething to the disiiitution of marriage firs. fie
trusted that MI there *4y no royal toed to loathe:
their sionld never be tut by stale rape-
dietary a shirt road. isiiknown to the lair end ordi-
miry plan* of justice, to a Rimed drawer. Ha
quoted the rerninks of Ur. Paley on Bills tit Paws'
' end Penalties, which appeared in one of our pait
nbnibers. He considered them as linking ,lye liarnhet
of statute law, of which ilie late Lord hiss:hope had
said, that if they would nut allow huh to remove it
by weggou loads, be hoped that they would suffer
him to convey it away by wheelbarrows full: He
felt with reliant to Rills of Paiiii and Penalties as
he had dour Fight years ago, as to the right of ea-
ger by battle; at whirl, time he had expressed,
almost prophetically as the cane turned out, his de-
sire that trie *Watt decreeing the right of wager
by • battle might be repealed. He concluded
speech by moving Resolutions—(for witch lee Ad.
iserlisemoill•-b4lion which; should they he carried,
he would afterward. pviiposie Petition. to be pre-
sented to both House..
Mr. fibuciiiisc seconded die motion.
Mr. BROWN would riot giee a silent Vote. He
consideted tt inspoesitle to bring the aceosatiohs
against the Queen to a fair hearing except by a B.:1
of Pains laird Penslter.; Indeed, no tither course
was open to the Government to pursue. He cows
chided by moving the previous question, in winch
Mr. S. Dtitoir seconded him:
Mr. OLDHAII thought the question ni great itna
portauce, end commended both sides of the Court
for the teMper which they had evinced upon it. Pe
could not concur with the mover of the ausesid- •
'meld. There were other remedies. snore constitu.
• throat in their nature, open far the Xing, 'oppose
the Queen to be guilty. He had been told by 84
Lammed Civilian, that the ItcclestastiCal Court- was.
open to the Monarchstappeal; and repposieg hint.
so abide by the Coihnion farms of justice. and •
estahlhli a clear case against his Royal Consort, a,
divorce would he the issue. He did net like Bills of
• Pains and Penalties, because they had scarcely
ever been used except for the apparent purpose of'
stretching the jorinilties of the laws to casts. which
could not be punished, and wire, not offences sic-
cording to the ordinary principles of justice. . Na
pointed out ill instances of theme Bills—that
by whiehthe Queen deposed Edward 11. and put
herself at the head of the army ; those of
Henry VIII. partitularly that against Anne Buleye;
between whose unforturiate case and that of the
present Queen. there was a striking similarity ;
yet no historian had questioned her purity, or
the injuitiee of her sufferings. The case ef
Fenwick, for endeavouring to restore James 14
who wls eherged treasonably, but two witnesser
being netessary, soil only one Iveing avail.:
able, he was sacrificed by a Bill of Attainder. The
• care of Bernardi, who was. during si space of 40
'rats, between the reign Of William 111. and
George I. kept in prison by aucessiiie Bills of Pea
(dillies. He who mentioned the case of Lord Steal:.
feed, rind from the whole of these cases he drew the
inference that Bills of this kind were hardly ever
resorted io except in cases where there was an int.:
probability of convicting and punishing by the for
811 d ordinary course of law. Another black feature
in them was, shut althungh many attainder* coder•
them had bre') suhvrdaently reterseel, they had in.
variably led to the ruin and executiou of the
accused, and especially during Ole wars of the
Houses of vo,k Lancaster, 'vitro two Pram-
wrists were Pitting in which Bills hf Pallas and Pea
nobles were passed against the adherenti of either
party by the other. should her Majesty milli/
goilty, those who knew all the fact, rind yet would havd
accowmodated, (trim forthat single point of the Litu.guri
stood, he thought, have better consulmit the interests 4.1
morality and religious if they bad 'conceded that oae point. •
. Mr fawns thought that proceeding by Bill of P,sith ;Old
Peualties more fientuahle to the Queen, as it must paw
the Commons as well as .he Lord* than the mode of plot.
eeediag by impeachnieut, whichwouid he.passed..hy the lairds-,
only. He thought there could be no doubt of the Ineats4.-
M' of. the words adulterous intercourse; Ira it was' 4
tharge of adultery, mot an met of adultery sirossld tar
haul tin doubt be established bt.tore the thll would. prof.
If it were poduible to entertain any suspkiou of utbe )asti*. iu
of the tribunal befure Which her Majesty would be .trteul;
and any illocution of winking injory were tus be-mauifekturd,
woill, be Mid Ho doubt, be Ail 1111111iiAltIlIS tale of,
that nowt carried up against it immediately. He Maimed
her Majesty 44
.been ill-treated since her arrival nt this
custom,, thoogltastst with rtferento to the bestamenotette
fore the Court. - .
Md. Werrostse-ssid, that the argument of tellanse.ori.
the wisdom and justumuf Parliament wasatufssumlia OM" ,•
I what they ought to fodk to was the law of the lard. limit
this proceeding was dot law, it as ttiolissisitiof lame 3.lte
worthy Geollenial
was whit tier '
ea a fair nod op-
timak of proceeding,
*Mild ask where was
sot living will
whef.• then was
apt, renal kits:
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.ntleni•u (HT. Brown) had 1011 J Ihetta
her !Najaf* emu lied. Her Majeal 'had mete*
opeu trial, lied he totethilat that wig U
roceedieg. and it Wee herniae? ?bet beifiggio.).
Where was the state mortally r' leer Maireee"Wita
With the Krug ;- the way that bisHegiehlareses.
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kits Could telly ereceedtrbeWheelia Alt elgift-
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