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cation between himself and his late colleagues. (Hear.) The for Midhurst failed entle Ay in this essential particula.
noble lord confessed, in fact, that as renrded his foreign policy that they related to op a ations which had been drawn
there- was no difference between him and Lord. Aberdeen. to a close; whereas the es
ranch more importance. I ant
sence of this inquiry is that it is
There was only 'one question, then, m which the necessity about to take plane into 4 mel
which I odious whh are still ian en pr
x-
o-
of a frank explanation existed' as bet* upn the noble lord and gross. The other paint on wic
ish to offer
his late colleagues. The right hon. kirouet the late First planation is a matter of i
s
Lord of the Admiralty has explained &heady why there was afraid I have been ienfortu: 'late in expressing myself iudis-
not a perfect confideuce between hin and the noble lord, t'netly upon it, ptherevii .e my meaning must have been
but with an certain reserve which hi; r osition imposed on misapprehended by em rigl it hon. gentleman opposite. The
him. But the house had it from the right hon. gentleman right hon. gentleman bies, . of course, a perfec right to put
the member forWiltshire, and the other right hon, gent'eman whatever construction he 3 ?leases upon any statement made
member ; but, as far as I recol-
the member for the University of Oxfocd, that the concession by me or by any other Itoin
of this committee was the subject on vhich they required a sect, I never stated tO the : souse that my noble friend at the
me that be would form his Go-
clear and complete understanding with the noble lord; and, head of the Government told
as I collect from them, the noble lord objected, in the expla- vernment upon the basis o' ,:. resistance to this committee, or
nations which ensued, to the principle of the proposed in- that I asked for any stipadat io:1S from hint upon that subject.
quiry, and expressed his determination to resist it. (Hear.) I never made it the eel:1)j act of stipulation at all. I never
Well, what does the noble lord do ? Last Friday night he ex- mentioned it to my nobles fri end until I had ,vritten to him to
at tile desire, to
pressed his intention of resisting the committee. On what acquaint him that, an ter the comeaunicatio ns we had had
ground ? On theground that itwas unconstitutional. (Cheers.) respecting his foreign g Kilie: 7,
Not on any slight, paltry, or insufficient grounds, but ou the accept office under his A Z'rab castration. Subsequee'‘tlY, I had
I w'o4 ready,
most effective ground that could be taken in the ease-that it the pleasure to serve hi on at the time when I completed
was unconstitutional. (Cheers.) Is it not a strange thing, the arrangements to take o then. I then inquired of my'lloile
then, that the First Minister of the Crown -the head of the friend what his intentions s vere with with reference to the
new Government-should-within the space of ono short, committee. I never died oted him, and never thought of.
" one little week "-be prepared to concede that which he asking from him any stip ale .tions upon the subject. (Hear,
pronounced then to be unconstitutional? (Cheers.) And for hear.) He then stated li is intentions continued to be the
what reason ? Simply because he preferred to remain First same as they had been. ,(1i 'ear, hear.)
Minister-because, 'on his own showine, no ether person could Sir G. GREY said then t the explanation which had just
form a strong Ministry. (Laughter.) I apprehend, sir, there been made by his right ;soul iurable friend had to a great ex-
are others who could form a Ministry as strews as that of the tent relieved him from the a ,ecessity which he felt of offering
noble lord, to say the least of it. (Cheers and laughter.)' The some observations to the le ouse iu reply to the speech of the,
noble lord forms his Cabinet upon the basis of opposing the right honourable gentleman. opposite. There were in that
committee to iuquire into the causes which have led to the speech repeated assumption s, without any evidence or proof,
present condition of our army in the Crimea; and then, be- that his noble friend near him had formed his Governinent
fore a week has elapsed, we find him rising in his place in this upon the basis of resistance ?to the proposed committee. As
house, and stating that his Government is favourable to the a member of Lord Aberdeen's Government he had offered a
committee, without at the same time alleging a single reason, strenuous, opposition to, -the motion of the honourable
or offering the slightest argument, iu support of this Sudden and learned member for Sheffield. Subsequently, when lie
and extraordinary change in his policy. (Cheers.) After had become a member of the Cabinet of his noble friend, ho
listening for hours to arguments, which I think were unan- had come to the conclusien that in the position of unprece-
swerab'e , and which he might have grappled with if he chose dented difficulty hi which the country was placed, it became
-and which, moreover, as the head of the Government and the duty of the Government tto withdraw any further opposi-
as the leader of the House of Commons, he might have conde- tion to the appointment of snbe committee in question. He
seonded to answer-the noble lord merely intimates that he should, however, most emphatically deny that the Govern-
has changed his opinion, that he accepts a proposition which snnent of his noble friend had. been based upon the principle of
so shortly since he had rejected as uuconstitutional--(hear, opposition to the nomination of the committee. The basis of
hear)-and that he has altorod the basis of his Government. the Administration of his noble friend was the vigorous pro-
Aud this is the man whose consistency and whose energy secution of the war, by all the means at his disposal, and with
is to save the country ! (Loud cheers and laughter.) The all the energy which Parliament might enable him to exercise,
noble lord, however, gives one reason to the house for grant- in order thus to secure at the earliest period possible a just
ing the committee. He has found out since last Friday that , and honourable Peace. When he (Sir George Grey) had op-
there is a strong, an irresistible, public opinion all over the posed the appointment of thO committee, he had taken that
country on the subject of inquiry into the causes which have course not because he winhed to deny the right of Parlia-
led to the present condition .1 the army in the Crimea, and meat to make an investigation into the condition of our army
that no ministry would be justified in opposing that feeling. if they thought fit, but because he entertained a deep sense
But what kind of an observer of the disposition of the nation of the inconvenience which must result to the administr•ation
must the noble lord be -what kind of an observer of public of the country from its nomination. He had felt that upon
opinion in the country ? What skill must he have possessed that ground he was justified in his resistance to the motion
in feeling the pulse of the public mind, if it is' only-since Fri- of the hon. and learned gentleman, the member for Sheffield.
day last the noble lord has come to that c mclusion ? (Cheers.) ,Hon. members in that house had voted for that motion from
That discontent that has prevailed in the country for many various reasons ; some because they ware honestly desirous
months, and which has resulted in the destruction of the late of inquiry ; others. because they regarded the motion as a
Government, never once induced the noble lord to suppose vote of censure upon the Government. Ti o retetion had
this committee necessary. (Cheers.) Even when the noble lord been carried, and the Administration of Lord Aberdeen had
is called upon to fulfil, perhaps, the most responsible duty then followed the only Course which was open to them to pur-
which any man can be appointed to, the duty of forming a Go- sue. They had tendered their resignations to her Majesty,
vernmeut for this country-at a time when a man thinks and those resignations had been accepted. In resigning the
most deeply and feels most profoundly-if he thinks or feels office which he had the -honour to hold he certainly eater-
at all-the noble lord still remains quite unconscious that this tamed but a very remote conception that he should again be
committee is necessary. (Cheers.) The noble lord is, in fact, called upon to take a part in the Government. He, however,
so ignorant or negligent of the stale of the public mind ou had found it, in consequence of circumstances which subso-
the subject, that he forms his Government in defiance of that quently occurred, to be his duty to accept office under his
necessity, and make a opposition to inquiry the basis of his noble friend the member for Tiverton. Lord Derby had failed
ministry. Yet this is political sagacity-(cheers}-this is in his endeavour to form an Administration. The hon. gen-
the administrative ability which has reconciled us for two tlem•in opposite had, it was true, stated that Lord Derby had
years to the late Government - represented by the First Mi- not said he could not form a Government, but that he could
ulster of the Crown. (Hear.) After the speech of the noble not form a sufficiently strong Government. It was quite ob-
lord, I must confess that my hopes of the future as regards vious, of course, that an hon. member hi that house might
his Governmeat are less glowing than they have been, collect around him a dozen gentlemen and call them a Govern-
(Laughter and cheers.) I have made these observations, not ment. The noble lord the member for Louden had been sub.
in reference to the argument of the noble lord, but in re- sequently entrusted by her Majesty with the formation of a
ference to his change of opinion, for which he has offered no Government. He had also failed, and then his noble friend
argument and no reason to, the house. Of the necessity of near him had taken upon himself the duty of forming an Ad-
the committee I have not changed my mind, although I have ministration. He (Sir G. Grey) should most gladly have dc-
listened with attention to the arguments of the right hon. dined to become a member of that Administration, not helm
gentlemen the late colleagues of the noble lord against it. any want of confidence iu his noble friend, but because he
(Laughter.) It has been said that this is an unconstitutional deemed it to be extremely desirable.. that, under the circum.
course for the House of Commons to take. I hardly care to stances in which the country was placed, a totally new Govern-
enter on that question, it has been so amply discussed before, ment should be constructed. The country had become impor-
nor should I even allude to it but for the remark of the right tunate for the formation of a Government, and he had
hon. member for Oxford University. Sir, I did not come felt that he would not have acted consistently with his duty
down to-night to enter on the question of the expediency or in withhholding his assistance from his noble friend. That
the inexpediency of the committee. I come down by appoint- being the case, it became obvious that it would have been
ment to hear the statements to be made and the arguments an insult to the house that the new Government should at-
to be used by those distinguished statesmen late members of tempt to rescind the appointment of a committee which by a
the present Government-(laughter)-'and to listen to the solemn vote they had resolved to appoint. He admitted that
arguments and statements of the noble lord in reply-. - The he had entertained a hope, when the Government was recon-
right honourable gentleman took the constitutional course in structed, and when his noble friend had announced his policy,
making these statements, rud the house would have a clear that the house might of its own accord have acquiesced in the
right to feel offended if they had not made a frank exposi- abandonment of the committee. The leaders of the party op-
tion of their views-as I presume it will be with the noble posite, in that and the other houseehad announced their ape
lord for not making a similar statement after seceding so proval of the motion for the appointment of that committee,
lately from Lord Aberdeen's Government. I did not come and the country had taken up the proposed inquiry as one
to argue or to hear arguments on the necessity for inquiry ; which it was most anxious to prosecute. Under these cir-
that was settled by the overwhelming majority of the other cumstauces, he was not ashamed to say that he believed the
night ; and I should be glad to see any minister who would Government which had been recently formed could have at-
dare to rescind that vote of the !louse of Commons. (Cheers.) tainecr no useful object by attempting to stennthe tide of
But it is impossible not to notice the arguments adduced, public opinion upon the subject, and by prolonging the un-
however briefly. The right lion. member for the University certainty and the confusion of a protracted ministerial crisis.
of Oxford taunted my right hon. friend the member for He denied altogether the proposition of his right hon. friend
Midhurst for applying precedents to this case ; he did so be- the member for Carlisle (Sir J. Graham), that the determine-
cause he saw that the arguments adduced by my right hon. tion of the house to nominate that committee mid to prosecute
friend made an impression on the house with which it was not that inquiry was a renewal of the vote of censure on the late
easy for that right hon. frieud to geapple. (Hear.) The Government. Certainly no vote had been given, and no opi-
right hon. gentleman derides the appeal of my right hon. nion had been expressed by that house of a want of con-
friend to precedents, and will not condescend to argue the fidence in the Government over which his noble friend
question, he says, on so low a ground. But the question of (Lord Palmerston) presided. The house, on the contrary,
precedent was introduced by the right hon. member for Car- had voted willingly, and cheerfully, all the estimates neces-
lisle in his weighty and matured speech in the early part of sary for a vigorous prosecution of the war, and he thought
the evening, and the right bon. gentleman went so far as to that there was nothing in the conduct of the house to justify
admit, that though adverse to decide the question upon this her Mniesty's Ministers in abandoning their posts at the pre-
ground, many precedents, and those good ones, might have sent crisis. He deeply deplored the secession of his three
considerable effect upon its decision by the house and by the right hon. friends ; he knew how difficult, or perhaps impos-
country. (Hear.) My right hon. friend, however, complied sible, it would be to replace them by men of equally eminent
with these conditions. He quoted many precedents, and ability; and he thought it was not unreasonable that the
they were good ones-some of them the right honourable Government should be allowed a few days more to fill tho
member for the University even admitted to be relevant to places which they had vacated. The right hon. gentleman
the issue. Some, however, there were to which that right the member for Buckinghamshire had said that a week had
hon. gentleman objected. I will give him one that has not already elapsesusince these vacancies had take place. (Cries
been alluded to in this debate. It is that which occurred in of " no," from the Opposition benches.) He said that the
the year 1779, when Lord Cornwallis was examined before a right hon. gentleman had distinctly made that statement,
committee of the whole house. What was the opinion of Mr. but it was manifestly unfounded, as two days only had since
Burke on the subject, as given in the "Annual Register" for elapsed; and the housed culd not, he thought, feel surprised
that year I Mr. Burke said this committee produced no great that the new appointments to those offices had not yet taken
effect because of the bustle and confusion which prevailed in place. The right hon. gentleman ought to be the last man
the house during its continuance. This shows how ;neon- to taunt his noble friend at the head of the Government for
venient that high authority considered a committee of the not having been able to find at once three persons to fill
whole house in a similar case to the present. Select commit- those vacancies, after Lord Derby had himself declared
tees on analogous subjects granted by the house were not one that he could not find mon of sufficient experience or
or two-their name was legion. Ido not, any more than the capacity-(Cries of " no," from the Opposition benches,
right hon. gentleman, desire to put this question on the low followed by loud cheers from the Ministerial side of the
ground of precedent, though I could adduce plenty of prece- house)-on his own side of the house for the construction
dents, in the time of Charles 11., for instance, when the con- of a Government. He for one found no reason for with-
duct of the war by the Duke of York was made the subject drawing from the administration of his noble friend,
of inquiry. They are to be found in the reign of Queen to whom he felt it his duty to continue to tender his humble,
Anne ;in the reigns of George 11., George 111., and during but earnest support. (Hear, hear.)
the regency. But Ido not place this question simply upon Mr. MUNTZ protested against their being giiided by pre-
the ground of precedent. I say that bad there not been cedents in that case. They had no precedent for the almost
precedents to meet the present ease, it would have been total loss of an army of upwards of 50,000 men in the space
the duty of the House of Commons to frame a precedent. of a few months ; and neither, he thought, ought they to look
The circumstances under which inquiry is demanded are of for a precedent to guide them in their inquiries into so un-
the gravest character. A fine army has disappeared, and the paralleled a calamity.
chief Minister of the Crown in this hone and the right hon. The motion was then agreed to.
gentlemen who have seceded from the Government tell us- The SPEAKER then began to put seriatim the names of the
in possession of all the secrets of the Cabinet, as they must proposed members of the committee, and the names of Mr.
be-that the cause of all-these disasters is to them humph- Roebuck, Mr. H. Drummond, and Sir J. Pakiugton were
cable. (Hear, hear.) If, therefore, there were no precedent agreed to without any discussion.
for a committee, such as that which this house has, it wotild The name of Colonel Lindsay having nextilien put,
have been our duty, under present circumstances to have Mr. R. PHILLIMORE objected to their proceeding with
formed a precedent. (Near, hear.) And, notwithstanding the appointment of the committee at that advanced hour.
all the refinement of argument in which the rig on •ht li, gen e-
tl He thought it the more unreasonable that they should then
man the member for the University of Oxford has indulged, come to a final decision on the subject, as the duties of the
ho may
rely upOn it that the peopleof B in committee hadnotyet been defined, and no one
meut of passion, but in the calmest *gland, not a mo- proposed
always feel, that with
period of their existence, knew whether its inquiries were or wore not to be pro-
willdisasters so
to the unparalleled as to be spective.
inexplicable in their origin
Chiefstatesmen Mr. WALPOLE said he believed that nothing but public
it was the duty of their representatives of the day,
into the cause of those inconvenience could result from a prolongation of that discus-
inquiredim -their first duty-to •
am for inquiry," says the right disasters.
(Hear, hear.) " I mon. He could inform the hon. and learned gentleman, that,
for inquiry by a committee of thehon. gentlemen, " but not according to the rules of the house, as be understood them, a
perfectly ready to admit that you whole house."' Well, lam
con committee,fineitm eTuithuoiirtitesanteexepvreensstsor from that house, must
which had taken place pre-
cumstances, obtain a mode of inquiry might, under ordinary ch.-
factory than that which is proposed likesy to be more sans- viously to its appointment.q
by the hen and learned air T. ACLAND continued to disapprove of the motion
member, the member for Sheffield,
admission amount ? I grant But to what does that for instituting that inquiry ; but he felt that no good effect
You, that underordinarycir- could be gained by a prolongation of that controversy.
cumstances, the Government may elm the function
of
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he did not sec any disad-
being into mal-administration, and m
even of recommending vantage that could result from the appointment of the
and devising a remedy. But, in the pre sent state of committee, if it were to confine its labours to an inquiry
affairs, the country has no confidence in the Government. into the conduct of those departments in this country
It is the conviction that no sincere and efficient relief whose business it was to supply the wants of the army.
could be afforded by the present Ad ' • • Imake
ministration- But he felt persuaded that any attempt on the part of the
no distinction in that respect
between the past and pre- committee to enter into military matters in the Crimea
sent Government-(hear, hear)...et
is that • • that
conviction. would be productive of the most fatal consequences to the
no efficient inquiry could be conducted under the auspices public service.
people to rely upon their own Lord PALMERSTON-In 'answer to the hon. baronet
House of Commons for redress and assistance. (Hear, Imuststate it is not • •
The most laboured part of the (Hear, hear.)
argument of the right hon. to the inquiries of the committee. It appeared to me that
gentleman, - the member for the University of Oxford, the first:and main object to be attained was to appoint a cone-
referred to the names upOn the list of '
the committee. He mitten consisting of gentlemen in whose discretion and judg-
seems to be familiar with all the sentiments and opinions of malt the house might repose confidence. I think the selec-
the hon. zeembers whose names arc on that list, and ho says, -tion which has been made is one which does entitle the
quoting the opinion -of a great authority, that nothing can committee to the confidence of the house. (Hear, hear.)
be done effectually unless the individual who is employed is I think the names are unobjectionable ; and I, for one, am
in favour of the task which he is engaged to execute. That prepared to repose in these gentlemen sufficient confidence
was considered-but only by his friends-as an unanswerable to think that in the pursuit of their inquiry they will not
argument. But does it occur to the right hon. gentleman that travel into the delicate or dangerous topics which have been
that argument, if good for anything, is as much opposed to adverted to in the course of the debate. • It does not ap-
the appointment of every committee which is appointed to pear impossible to pursue this inquiry into the condition of
consider the various subjects with which this house has to our army without travelling into those questions which affect
deal as it is to the appointment of that which is under our our relations with,our gallant allies. It would be very un-
consideration. Why, there is not a committee upon any sub- fortunate, therefore, if they should inquire into any subject or
ject which does not consist to of many distinguished members matter which might tend to wound the feelings of our allies ;-
who cannot be supposed .favourable to the subject and I think it cannot be too strongly impressed on the gen
matter of inquiry. (Hear, h.ear be
•s) Is the right hon. gentle- tlemeu to abstain from any inquiry that would have so
man prepared to go the length of saying that the nomination calamitous a result. If they pursue with proper discretion
of all such
committees should be resisted ? We have heard their inquiry, they will satisfy Parliament without incurring
many sneers at Parliament,
and
we are told that the Con- any evil, and, therefore, it is not my intention to propose any
stitutiou is in danger because
the noble lord at the head of limitation. (Hear.)
the Government has, within the present week, changed the . Mr. ROEBUCK-It is not my intention to move any in-
whole policy of his Cabinet.
.But, in
my opinion, if you structions to this committee, for I think the words of my
wish to deal a blow against Parliaments authority
you
can-
motion do limit the inquiry of that committee. The words
not do so more effectively than i
_Y. impressing upon the coon- are that they should " inquire into the condition of our army
try that the elements of a Parliamentary committee before Sebastopol, and into the conduct of those departments
are not
adapted to the effective fulfilment of their purpose. The of the Government whose duty it has been to minister to the
noble lord opposite 'declared but a week ago this committee wants of that army." Now, it appears to me that these words
to be unconstitutional, upon which he is to-night prepared are definite, they explain themselves ; and such being the
to stake the existence of his Government.
The noble lord case, I think the committee require no instructions. The
has again favored us with a flattering view
of impending house, when it selects a committee, generally has some confi-
peace. I believe that if peace can be achieved upon honour- deuce in that committee, and perhaps the house will allow
able terms, the noble lord will, in his endeavour to secure 'it, me to say a few words upon the selection which has been
meet with the support of this house and of the country. All made in this instance. I have to apologise to the gentlemen
I can say is, that I hope the instructions which the noble lord , whose names I used in the first instance for not being able to
has given to his late noble colleague the member for the City carry out my original intention. I found however that those
of London are conceived in a more intelligiblee spirit than the names did not meet with the confidence of this house, and I
communications which, upon behalf of Lord Derby, he had therefore felt it my duty to place myself immediately in
with the right hon. gentleman the member for the University communication with the noble lord at the head of the Go-
of Oxford-(hear, hear)-or than those upon which he an- vernment. The result of my communication with him is,
nouliced to his late colleagues, that the basis of his 'Govern- that I have been enabled to present to the house a committee
ment was to bo formed. If the noble lord the member for in which I think they have confidence-(hear)-and if that
the City of London has gone to Vienna to be the promoter of committee deserves the confidence of this house it requires nto
.
peace with foregone conclusions in favour of war, it is not instructions. I perfectly agree with everything But J: yess think
satisfactory, I apprehend, for the country. I can, there- ing the difficulty in the way of this inquiry.
The difficulty
fore, only hope that
the instructions which the noble the difficulty justifies and calls forth inquiry.
Possible upon
Lord , the member for the City of London has received is great ; I know we are trenching as closely as .
but still,
have been couched in a franker spirit, and ex- a prerogative which we ought not to trench upon ,
melting
pressed in more
intelligible language than the condi- all that notwithstanding, we have before us an army. .
demanding inquiry;
which he made, apparently, to be the basis of away ; wo have the people of countrythis
the deres of our consti:
his Government--(hear)-a Government which, after ten days and I believe eve should not. satiny
I askedf (Hear.)
he inqy haveor.
has experienced a disastrous blow at a period when the noble tuents did we not grant t
and'
alone, that
lord assures us it was most important that this country should It is on these grounds, ou these grounds
have an effective administration. (Hear,) But now the noble have ventured upon this delicate and, I will say, dangerous
.lord does not find himself in a condition, at the conclusion of investigation. .
for, depend upon it, you have a people to
No inquiry, indeed, could be more delicate
one short week, and after all his exertions and combinations, and dangerous ,
be
not satisfied until they have probed to the
cannot come down and assure the country that his Sovereign satisfy who will
Possesses at this moment a complete body'of responsible bottom the circumstances which have caused the destruction
country.
advisers. (Cheers.) , of the finest army that ever left the shores of this
Mr. H. BAILLIE said he would not move his instruction
Mr. GLADSTONE,-nn rise to explain one or two points
lat that late hour. But he hoped that the committee would
referred to in the speech of the right hon. gentleman who be effectual and searching. i
has just sat down. One of those points relates to the ques- The names of Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Drummond, Sir J. Pak
tion of precedents, and upon that subject I merely wish to , ington, and Colonel Lindsay, as members of the committee,
say that what I stated was, that all the precedents which I were then put and agreed to.
On the name of Mr. 'aye Deing mentioned,
were voted by the light bo4l goUtlero,an the member

PHILLIMORE moved that Sir G. Grey be 4 substi-

SI 'EAK ER.—The lion, gentleman must give notice of
ier idment. (A laugh.)
iyard's name was then agreed to, as also was that 4)f
lie a.

On the name of Lord Seymour,
Mr. G:iIADSTONE.—I think I heard the noble lord sal
that r alb iss some distinct instructions were laid down for tic()
guida. ace of the committee he would not act on it.
Mr. D ISRAELI.—If the noble lord will act as chairman of
the co mil nittee, I am sure it would be worth all the instruc-
tions tin it could be given. (Hear, hear.)
Thee name was then agreed to, as also were Sir G. Lewis
and ( terieral Peel.
On tine name of Mr. Bramstou,
. _

Mr. 412,'ORRIT moved the substitution of Captain Scobell,
pursu: tart to notice. He thought one naval officer at least
should I)e on the committee. (Hear, hear.)
The Sl 'EAKER was about to put the question, when
Mr. RI ')EBUCK observed that they could examine as many
naval Inc a as they pleased, therefore he did not see the ne-
cessity of • substituting Captliu Scohell. (Oh, oh.)
Lord R ALMERSTON suggested that they should take the
committee as it stood.
Capt nn, .3COBELL would prefer any other naval officer to
himself.. But, to examine harbour acQounts—Balaklava, for
int7tanc.,— -a naval officer was necessary. (Hear, hear.)
my, W ,LPOLE thought the names might be taken as they
stood, tale if necessary, on a future occasion, the name of a
naval o Cc, 3r might be added. (No, no.)
The .31)1. :AKER put the question. -
The ioui,x, then divided, when there appeared.
For. retaining the name of Mr. Bramstou 101
1 Foi substituting Capt. Scobell

Majority for Mr. Bramston's name
On motion that Mr. J. Ball be a member of the com-
mittee
Mr. E :E NTINCK opposed the motion, and gave notice that
on Mona i• he should move that the name of Sir George
Tyler be ex lbstituted, as it was indispensabls that at least one
naval Office r should be on the committee.
Me. 13El IESFORD gave notice that he should, on Monday,
move th. at Mr. Miles be added to the committee, as he was a
connect 101 l of Lord Raglan ; and when the character of the
noble lo rd. was to be assailed in that way it was most essen-
tial that ~:artme person should be appointed who would watch
over the iinterests of the noble lord.
Mr. R CEBUCK said this was the first time he had heard a
proposal tee place a relative of a man in the dock on the jury.
Mr. M. [I .ES trusted the hon. and gallant member would not
persevere i a his motion, as be had every confidence in the
committee'' that had been appointed, and thought the charac-
ter of the nq )ble lord perfectly safe in their hands. Ho thought
it was the .1 ivii departments of the army, that ought to be in-
quired into.
Mr. NAP: [ER said, before a man was placed in the dock it
was usual tt prefer a bill of indictment.
The house then divided, when there appeared—
,For rf3taining the name of Mr. Ball 93
A ga4 ist
Majority
—36
The 11.1.1Tbn of Mr. Ball was then added to the committee.
Mr. R,9E:BUCK then moved that the quorum be seven.—
Agreed to.
The or for s of the day were then read over.
The Co us. )lidated Fund Bill went through committee.
The N uis !ewes Removal Bill and Diseases Prevention Bill
went thr ones committee.
The Army Service Act Amendment Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Ciolisoli dated Fund (20,E0,000/.) Bill was read a third
time.
The h ouse, adjourned at a quarter past two o'clock.