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were as long as walking sticks; I was not near enough to
judge exactly. The size of the sticks vatied materially, se.
cording to the size of the men. I think they were generally
four or five feet long; they were nut all ad thick as my wrist.
I do nut know from whence the party beating the black lag
came. Tly-y sere marching a breast; I do not say that
every m itt bail his stick shoulder. .1 ; but Ih. y carried them
general!) in that position. Some of the cominandtre alas
had slit ks. I think that division ctruaisted of 3,000 or
4,000 men; they had nticks generally. I cannot tell how
many sticks were among the whole party; I cannot swear
that half of the party, or that one in four had sticks; I am
positive there was snore than one in tea or tree in five
so armed. 1 have already stated, that when Ilse) came
upon the ground they shouted, told waved the sticks in the
air. I bad no particular compaction on that day ;we had
one linadred constables on the field, hut I council point out
any one who saw this at the same time that I did. After
the party had waved their sticks, they marched towards the
hustings in the same order they had come opal the field.
I heard nu order of " Slioaltler arms^ I saw MO use made
of those sticks in attacking the constables; I taw no such
attack made. I saw other divisions arrive, who appeared
to have sticks also; they might have made use of their
Mielks without my toeing them. 1 was eblettelth the Ma.
&Orates, and therefore had nut so good ai'oppoitanity of
seeing what took place. I saw very few woorea, and very
few girls indeed. The space of gruuud was so large dirt I
could mot make an estimate of the number of females. I
was near the Magistrates' boom when you arrived. I was
not at any time near enough to the hustings to bear what
you said. 1 saw neither fire arms, *wools, or any other
offensive weapon, but storks with the crowd. I saw nu per.
son that day hut at the infirmary. I saw no person
struck, nor did I see soy of the constables make use of
their staves. I had no occnsion to make use of fume.

Thomas Hardman examined by Mr. irreLeDat.e.—l was
a special constable on the lath of August ; when I first got
to the ground (Moot 11 o'clock) there was but a few people
assembled; soon after several parties cause iu in regular mi-
litary order, carrying sticks. 'noose that I saw corned them
in the left hand as soldiers do muskets, and seemed to have
command over the others. They marched towards the hust-
ings, and were cheered ■s they went up. I heard two peo-
ple speak from the hustings before the whole party arrived.
The first speech was, " There has been an order given to
stand six yards back from the stage, otherwise you will afford
your enemies an opportunity of ramble' in with their ca-
valry and all their corruption." The other speech was soon
after, I know rot which was first, it was as fellows—" If
you had ever so stout-hearted s leader, you will do no good
melees you stand firm to your post."—Both these speeches
were made before Mr. Hoot arrived. Josses spoke one of
the speeches, the first I believe. I know sot who spoke the
other. I saw Mr. Hunt come up is a baroucbe, attended by
a large crowd. I was theo at a distance, and could not
judge how many came up with him. He got upon the
hustings, which were at that time removed eight or ten yards
farther from where the constables stood, than they were on
their first erection. 1 think there were 60,000 or 10,000
persons present. The alarm in Manchester was very great
then.

Cross-examined by Mr. ainnow.—l have am 'mete named
James Hardman, a brewer. Jones was some time since em-
ployed by him as au engineer and millwright. I do not
know that Junes was employed to erect the hustings. 1 was
between 15 and 20 yards from the hustings when he spoke.
A Mr. Green was with me, and also beard him. I do not
know any body else who was present at the time. Mr.
Green is here. I think the words are correct, as Mr. Ellis,
who was near me, wrote them down. lam ogt positive that
it was Jonas who made the first speech, but I believe that
be did.

Oross-mtamined by Mr. Hnnt....—l am • dry..alter, •ad
acted as • special constable on that day. I can't say that a
Reporter, standing within five yards of the hustings and tak.
ing motes, is likely lo be more correct than myself. I saw
the Oldham division march I. in regular order. I •ever
saw a copy of the indictment against you. The expression
of one of the men, who appeared to be • leader, attracted
my attention to the Oldham division. The commanders had
sticks, which they caroled in their left hands as soldiers do
muskets. I did not see soy of the men make use of their
sticks. I saw no black Aar. The sticks were very large
outs, bat not so bug or so large as a musket. They were
of different sizes. Some were three or four feet loom, and
•bout half as thick as my wrist. I saw no perrons injured
that day. I temained on the ground till you were taken to
the New Bailey. I accompanied Mr. Hay to London.
Mr. Hunt—did yon give the same evidence before his
Majesty. Ministers as )ote have give, here?
Witness.—Does your Lordship think I ought to answer
that question?
Mr. Justice BATLEY —Yoe may answer it.
Witness.—l did. I ant not • magistrate.
Mr. Hunt —Did you compare the evidence given to Mi-
olste►s with what you now say?
Witness—l do nut think proper to answer that gnptio•.
Mr. Justice Bromxv.-1 think you may say whether die
evidence give• on both occasious be co. reel.

Mr.Scaamirr.-1 object to this question.
Mr. Justice Butmcv (to Mr. Hunt)—Do fro■ mean to con.
tradicttbe evidence of this witness ?

Mr. Hunt—lf I ran she', that be has equivocated, I think
I base a right to do so.
Mr. justice 13.11YLZY—You may ask any question tending
to invalidate the testimony of the witness.
Mr. SCARLCTT—I object to this question.
Mr. Hunt—lf he gave different testimony at different
times, I wish to know where and bow be corrected Isis opi-
nions.

Mr. fleciticrr—The Defendant bas no right to inquire
into what has taken place elsewhere, unless he means to con-
tradict the witness; it is under a pledge of this sort that
such questions are allowed. But how can the witness be
contradicted i■ this instance, without calling sonic of his
Majesty's Ministers into Court, which cannot now he done?
If the witness says that he has not given the same evidence
is both places, then the inference will be against his testi-
mony, and I shall have no opportunity of shelving the con-
trary. If Mr. Hunt can conirisdict the witness in any legi-
timate form, I have nu objection to his going ou.
Mr. Justice BAYLEY—I am of opinion, that a general
question of this kind might be asked, not fur the purpose of
being received as evidence, or of contradicting a witness,
but is order to go to his credit, and of seeing if his evidence
was substantially the same,
Mr. Hunt said, that sooner than put any question likely
to disturb the verdict when given, be would waive the
question.
Mr. ScAaLerr—Don't be afraid, Mr. Hunt; if you are
acquitted, the Crown will nut mo►e fur a new trial.
Mr. Justice BAYLEY said, that if he received what was, or
rejected what was not evidence, thg Crown would certainly
best liberty to move fur a new trial.
Mr. Hunt waived his question, and the examination pro-
ceeded.

Captain Healy, of the Manchester yeomanry cavalry is a
cousin of mine. He was on duty on that day.
He-examined by Mr LITTLIMALE—The expression which
attracted his attention to the Oldham division was usrd
by a man who carried ■ slick ; tie said, who said we
Oldham lads thirst nut come here to day ?^ 1 heard nothing
else.

Joseph Green examined by Me.Serjeant Homoca-1 was
at St. Peter's area on the 16th of August, in company with
Mr.Hardsean. Abuut the time I got there the first body
arrived. They marched iu the array that soldiers generally
march through a town; is what is called column, I think. I
was on the ground until Mr. Hunt was takes from the stage.
Various other bodies arrived after that I have first men-
tioned. They all marched nearly in the same 111 anuer. Tbrre
were also sassy gamesome Some of the bodies
bad mimic. A Curl Cale' wpm; the ground nearly at the
Dame time with the firm body, and that I think was the only