The National Register.
London, England, 1821-08-27 00:00:00

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Puirx 90.

I had to be present at the inspection of the regiment, aml
the gross manlier in which we have been repolull and
insulted ; and I do hope we shall not separate without
coming to some determination upon the insult ice
received.—(Hear, hear I)—One of us even got a blow in
the mouth, and sorely such an outrage will not be suf-
fered to pass unnoticed."—(Hear.)
A gentleman stated, that he was the bearer of a mes-
sage from one of the wi.nesses (Mr. Jones) who had re-
fused logo in without protection.
Mr. Dean, another witness, said, he really did not
not like to go alone, for although he did not suppose any
personal violence would be ofkred, vet some advantage
might be taken.
Mr. Green, a third witness, said, he had just heett
refused admission, and his ticket had been taken front
him.

In the course of a general conversation, it was sug-
gested that some of the troops might possibly be kept
back, upon which Mr. lVaitliman said, he would re-
commend that the Adjutant should be summoned to
produce the twister-roll of the day, and be questioned
upon oath to that point.
The Foreman said, that should be done.
Here the other witnesses returned, and said they had
been rudely refused admission,
Mr. Dean came in a great hurry into the room, and
said the witnesses were all shut up its a small place, ai.d
that he had escaped by stratagem.
Mr. Waithinan and several of the Jury made some
warm observations upon this circutts-tance. the Foreman
observing that the witnesses must be intimidated l.y beiti4
thus treated, and it must be done on purpose. The Jury
had been grossly insulted in this and every matter con-
nected with the day's business, and he should resent It
to the uttermost.

A witness returned at this time, and said he had been
grossly insulted by the soldiers
A very stormy dicussuni, which occupied nearly two
hours, then took place, and the room was a scene of the
greatest confusion and disorder. During that time se-
veral witnesses came in and said they had been itirned
back and insulted.

The Foreman observed, that the whole was a piece of
jockeyship, to tire out the Jury. At length Mr. 11.'0.
ratite Jones mired from the barracks, and was examined!.
He stated that lie had attended lute in most:tilt ce of a
summons to view the regiment of Life G•.ards, .11 order
to see if he could identify the man whom he hat; seen
• shoot another.—After wa;ting three quarters of an flour
he requested to speak to Mr. Milne, but he ernild not
5... e him until half-past four o'clock. He then encpared
of Mr. Bultie why they were detaintd so long, and the
Magistrate said he would forward the business as !tool
as possible. The room in which they were kept was
excessively hot, and nut one was allowed to get near the
door. A ceutmel was placed at the entrance, and the
door was shut whenever an officer passed be. IVitness
afterwards complained again of the heat of the room to
Mr. Biride, who 3a id he hail not yet ceei'ed instructions
front Government. At leni.ttli a meesage came front
Mr. Broke that the reatn2ait was drawn it;), and witness
went into the yard and inspected! it. Ile Came up to an
officer, and it struck him that lie was the person he had
seen fire, but he was too conduced s.:tr,eiently to be pa-
siti% e. He went on, sold when he nail tz,,:n. Anna :he
whole liue, he requested! to •.da again to the officer allu led
to. This, howe‘er, theContnianTii.: refused to
permit, and said he had imp, raise ord,o; nun ;o suffer
any wituue3i to go more titan (MCC .110:1g line. Toe
Magistrates however interfered, and he tea, per 11111!;•; to
go again to the spot, and he saw the Officer, trnt he o,.;!ti
not swear pus.tivaly that he was the mats. Ile belie% ed
he was, but could not s%vear. He Bute a grc.it f.WlZl-
blanCe to the officer.

Mt. Rink, anot her witness 'iv. ire, that lie ha.l seen the
regiment, and tie fixed upon the iitiicer syttri wkon he
had the comers t ion described in his former der), 111011.
He told Mt. 11::, in, he tile man, and requested
to know ;he 111311., 11.11111• ; hut th s W.:s lint told to biro
He then went 011 lip the low, and as lie Was g g along
he was abant to look back to another 4 dicer, whim) lie
thought lie cool] aho rec.Gnise, velum he was lON "to
keep his eyes to the right." (A laugh.) Mr. Birme
and Mr. Stafford took tiown what witness said, and he
has no ilotil)t that those gentlemen are well aeqiiaints:d
with the officers he pointed out.
William Cleaver sworn.--He had inspees • I she regi.
went. and lie saw an officer on the right h tad .rsi le of
hint whom lie thought he recognised. and he 11.. iii to the
Magistrate, " I have every reason In 111• isle this is tile
man." lie asked that Mit pet's halm., but the Magistrate
said... We Cannot hire ai.y mantra here." •
William Alexander sworn.—lle had seen the settimei.s
down up in the Baru:kr Ile nein up 1.1/ the rigi.t
hand hoe. Several of the corps had cloi,ks oi. T.ie
soldiers hurried loin oil vpi List. 1113,•ti ler g,t to 111 c
tap. 1W tin !ICU 1011:11I to tile r.alu. and its is. it ,ern use
()disr front to the gee where hr inu entered. .1s ne
was cuing 310112. nie SOltiltl3. sacral of them. 'awaked
and gnashed their teeth at hint As he etas ads t0.i..4
In another direction, he saw a youtiii otli.er, amJ pointed

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at him, not knowing it would be right to speak. A sol-
dier asked him what lie meant by?, and he reidied,
•• Tnat is the man who aimed and tired at the man al
Comberland G te." Agi utlenim in white trowsers (he
Is hoed Mr. Hirnie) came tilt, and asked him what he
It id to say about Witness answered lie had said all
he had to say, upon ivlneu Mr. Burnie said he wished
bun to repeat it, us he was a Nlagistrate, and he Mil so.
Mr. Haute then desired hint to go jtid put his 11.11111 011
the horse's head, and he did so lie was positively stir,'
that officer was the same he saw near Cumberladil
Gate. He was dressed the sone, but he knew him also
by his face. When w mss pointed at him he turned
white, and when he touched the horse's head he turned
red and lanahed out. 'File soldiers asked him if he
go round again, an I use declined, saying he was vire
satisfied, and dial not wish to eat round any more. The
soldiers particularly wisderl Min to go round a second
tunic They went very lan, so that he could nut keep
up with them.
Mr. Dean was recalleil.—lle had insitect(d the regi-
ment. He saw the °dicers and soldiers, but they were
wrapped up in their cloaks, and their ems drawn mei'
their eyes in such a manner that he found it impossible
to identify any one man.
C. Spratt recalled.—lie inspected the regiment, and
on the left hand side in the centre lie saw two officers,
within ten or twelve men of each other. lie could nut
tell which of these two alas the 111311 who tired at Cum-
berland G ite, but lie was sure one of them was. They
Were Ullel/111111011Iy altke. Wh,li he arnr.l.l at the second
olheer lie thought it must be the first one, who had re-
moved hiniseli trout his place before him again. lie was
about to say the second 011 e was the OLIO, ihsti he S,lty
him turn pale. and Isis lips quivered. \Viten he w.ts
at.utit to say, " you arc the in in," he slw the officers,
and he then felt a doubt wne. her lie was or nut,
and would not speak.

By Nlr. ‘Vaithitiam—Sle saw a gentleman get nit of
a gig this morning, atel go into toe barricks in plain
clothes.—The moment lie saw uitu, hr exclaimed " that
is the man who shut Otley," auJ the gentleman turned
round and looked at hut, but sut: nothing. ‘Vitness
believes lie must hive heard him.

A, warm discussion here arose upon the obstructions
whim, it was said, had been offered to the course of
justice, and Mr it aithatan suggested that the Adjutant
should be Sllllllllolleti to produce tile muster moli.
The Foreman spoke in strong. terms of the obstructions
which they had met v% lilt, and expressed all opinion that
the whole of the proceedings at the barracks were a farce
a mere trick, tir hwart theill ill I heir entiv,i yours to arrive
at the truth. lie thelefore would more " that the Ail-
jotant be sirtiiiiitued to produce the roastar ordeily book,
woo the itaines of offici:rs and meit emp:oyed the 14111
of Attglis., and their different studios on that day.“—
Tots 1110;11111 was carried, and a summons V:.13 issued.
A discussion look place as to whether Mr. Biritie and
Alt. S.:llford ,tittimiiiied or clot. It was finally
decided that those gentlemen should be summoned this
day.
roe Court then adjourned until two o'clock the fol-
lowing day, at the New Intl, in the Edgware-road.
I 'turn Dar.]
On NV (Au estlay at tiro o'clock the Coroner's Jury met
pursuant to adjournment at the New lon, in the Edg-
twa re. road .
Toutitas Einitis, Lieutenant and Adjutant of the Ist
regiment of hie-guards, was then called. Witness knows
nothing touching or concerning the death of the deceased.
lie had brought the roaster and order:y books of the
regiment, of the 14th and list of the present month.—
He had no objection to produce these nooks. They did
1101 colitain the different stations of the different detach-
ments out out the 14th of August.
A Juryitiam—Have you any document with the names
of Me officers and men oil duty with the Queen futieral
ou i;tat day?
Wttness—l have ; they are in the toaster. It also
the order from Sir Robert Riker, for the at-
tendance of troops to assist hint at Kensington on that
Jay t
A Juryman —Are the names there ?—Yes.
How many otlicers and men were there ?—Fifty-six •
mem a C.iptaiii„ 11111.1 two subalurns. Witness turned
out !hat 'lumber fr.tit the baroo-ks, and they won to
join Ig. Robert Baker. flue officers of this detachment
were Captain Oakes, Lieutenants George Soucy, and
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A Juryman asked ii ho wit, present at the inspection
of the tettnnelit ycilertioy t lie said IL! vv,s, .111:1 that
lie went rout I with the witness..s. There were wavy'
more officers then present than were on duly Oil the 14,11
of August. Soma of the witnesses pointed ton some
mlieers, and mew mmies wire bitten down by toe
magistrates, and handed wer to the commanding nlfirer.
A Joryinan asked the witness whether any of the offi-
cers who were pouted ott were tot dtity at inc funeral
on the 14th. The wit its oliiveied to answer the question
wait the impression, as he stand, that lie would i!t:
obliged to the mimes of the olliceis p•Mhely,
and lie did 110 t Ie I authar.aed to du su Wllllo'll the lease
Of tile commanding Wheel'. Ile fiiially, however,
answ, red ist the allit ;native. Ile state, that
the Mlle, rs all kept their staliotis, aid Ilescr reitiOVed
their for a 1110111 CM.

,r:obig to ask yon a ritie:tion
upin a siihj whe:h peril Ip you ale not aeirtihntli
with, but it is very iitc...ssars pit he. 1),, ,utt
know 111;1 :.evvirat of the Jiiiy were insulted by the
sul-
tiler>, and that one teas even struck in Lite month by one
?

SS.---I k110{1: D 0111.114; Of IL, and 1 hope no such
think took place.
Nlr. !I atthwan retitte,ttd that the gentleman nhu
WalS assaulted would state the circumstances of the
assault.

IBlakev (a Juiyinan) stated, that he was the person
ass lolled. Ile went, ill pursuance of what he conceived
to be li,s duty, with his brother Jurors, to request ail-
tnissioa, and while at the (1,}..r aH ()the( r iu plant rlothcs
d.d ate suldets " tom those fellows out," (putt wincit

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one soldier struck him on the shoulder, and another hit
him a blow in the mouth. He conceived that this W 33
a gross insult offer, d to A jury assembled to perform a
very solemn and Important duty, and it ought to be re-
presented to the Adjutant's superiors, and he hoped he
would take upon himself to do it. Ile mentioned it in
the hope that that gentleman would convey a to the
commanding officer.
Vie Adjutant said, it would he better for the jury to
make a representation upon the subject to the proper
quarter themselves.
Mr. Spicer (another.jurytnall) —I think that we have
nothing to do ‘‘ lilt that subject here; and I will add,
that whatever insidts we met with we brought upon
ourselves, by not making a plover application on Mon-
day night for admission.
lhe Foreman warmly observed, he was surnriscd to
hear such an observation. Th.e worthy gentleman then
asked the Adjutant if he knew of any di-guise being
adopted by any of the officer, at the inspection.
oast.—No. I will venture to say no such dis-
hotiouralde pr..ctice trait alltytt d. I di ti not .ee any
man laugh at the permms who viewed the regiment.—
Toe men went out on the I 4tlt, tinder the orders of the
civil power. I cautioned them of that fact. It is the
coustant rule to inform the men, when they go out tinder
the civil power, to act by the direction ul that power,
and by its orders alone.

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Richard 13irnie, Esq. the imgistrate, was then sworn.
Ile %%mild state what he presumed he was bron-tht here
to state, namely, what he saw yesterday at the barracks
at Knightsbridge. He received instructions trout the
Under Steietary ol State to mired Mere at eleven o'clock,
and to see that the witnesses a !mined there by tickets
from the coroner, and Nit. Ili_;. (the coroner on the
outer inquest). had tree access to examine the officers
and soldiers to answer the ends of public justice. Toe
order was countermanded in the course of the morning
by another letter, stating, that it would he inconvenient
for the regiment to be drawn nut before two. He went
!here a little before two, accompanied by It. Raynsford,
a magistrate ut Quern's-Fmtare. He then found, from a
gentlem-111, Who was called tile Silver Stick, he believed
Col. Hill, that the regiment was nut to be drawn out
until further orders were received from the Commander
in Chief, and that was the sole cause of delay, he assured
the coroner. They waited very elis.greeably until half-
past tour o'clock, at which time Sir Henry Torrens, the
Adjutant Gentral,a aired. who expressed his surprise that
no report had been made, and said he thought there most
be saute mistake. A conversation took place, and Sir 11.
Torrens said the delay had taken place in consequence
of his not receiving an answer from the Coroner. The
then were then ordered out. The commanding officer
assured 111111 that the officers and men were drawn out
in the same accoutrements and on the same horses as on
the 14th. He was called Col. Cavendish. Observing
some of the men cloaked, he asked the Colonel the reason,
and he said they were men who were cloaked on the
14th. lie would now explain why some witnesses were
not admitted. It was that the tickets tht:y brought had
not the name entered. None Vt ere refused that he knew
of alter their names were inserted. Ile would now state
the manner in which the inspection took place. Tne
witnesses were placed io a room together, and a com-
plaint being made to him by one of them of the heat,
he procured them a larger and cooler place, where they
could walk about. When the regiment was drawn up,
they were called out one by one. The soldiers were
formed into two ranks, in what they termed " open
order and he (witness) accompanied them, and so did
Mr. Rayiesford. There was no other magistrate present.
Ile had seen something in the newspapers, about a joke
of the witnesses having been told to keep their eyes to
the right. Ile would explain that. ‘Vhen they were
going along the line, he saw some of them hooking dif-
ferent ways, and lie advised them to look first at one
line througltont, and then the other, and they would nut
miss any.

Two or three of the witnesses wished to take a second
txatnitsation, but the commanding officer said that was
contrary to his instructions; hot witness and Mr. Ravens-
fsil insisted upon it, and the Adjutant General was of
their opinion, and it was comulted wi h. The witnesses,
vhcut to they pointed at, or identified any person,
stopped, and the commanding officer directed tile Ad-
jutant to take down the name of tilt 1)03011 So identified,
which lie believed was done. Alter the witnesses had
they went awry. itness asked the commanding
officer, in the presence of all the witnesses, tf every MAI
and e‘ery officer who was on ditty oil the 14th of August
was now present and si the saute order, and mounted
lit the saute horse as on that day, and lie was answered
that they were, with the txcepuon of one, tilto was iu
We 11031M:4i-1W was a private.

he would be happy to attend them at ten minutes'
notice.

lij ittryinen.--11e did not Like the name:, of the per-
sons identified down, for he thoil:mt he would he cm
tiodulg upon the province of the gentlenieit 01 tlk Jury
If to hail asked the mums, the answers would not hate
been evidence, tor how could he tell that they would
answer truly; they might give a wrung mune.
Adjutant was ordered to take tile names, and he sup-
posed he did so, in he would he answerable for his con-
duct. Two of the WillieSbeS IlXeti upon nice OffiCer.
Sl;lfforil the chief clerk was present, he believed, for the
purpose of taking clown the names of the witnesses, and
uta ole-etvatimis they no,;lit make. Ile ( \lr. litrine)
an l the other ma4istrate were there as he understood
expressly to protect the %finesses, that they might not
consider themselves smiler military commit Tile boy
xander (as winless was told) hxeu 111,0.1 Lieutenant
Gore.

Mr. Waithman intimated that he had heard there
was a person in waiting who could prove that one of the
tale Guards was at his house the whole of Tues,lay.
Ile (U WO had no wish to call him, but the Jury
tnialit if they pleased.
The witness was then called. He said his name was
Thomas Austin, and that he lived at No. 6, Dorset-
street, Portman-square. All he knew was, that on Tues.
day, he saw a soldier who said he belonged to the first
regiment of Life Guards, and that he was on duty at
Kensington on the day of the funeral. This man was
drinking in his house the whole day, and could not
therefore be present at the inspection on Tuesday.
uness could not tell the man's name, nor where he
was to be found. He had merely came here to state this
cacusnstance, because he thought it was his duty to do
so.
The Foreman thanked him for his good intention;
but told Min his evidence could not he received.

T. Cole Humbert, of the Hyde Park Hotel, Oxford-
street, (opposite Park-lane), Wald neat called and sworn.
Ile was a Rival Military Surveyor and Draftsman, on
halqay. He saw a detachment of dragoons drawn up
near Cumberland gate, on that day. Ile saw an officer
commanding that detatchment. He knows that officer
peisonallv, and he came up to witness, and requested
hfin seed for some beer for his men, who were %cry
wet. Witness believes the name of that officer to be
Gore. 1:c has known him long enough .43 be quite cer-
fain of Ms person, and he is sure his name is Gore.--
Mr. Gore was a young man, apparently about 20 or ill
years of age. He did not see Mr. Gore lire on that day.
NVitness continued.—He did not see any mall bearing
a standard cut down by the military, nor did lie see any
man carried away. He could not say whether soca an
occurrence could take place without his seeing it. He
did not notice the soldiers brandishing their swords at
the time the gates 55 ere sliut.
Mr. Waittiman.—W ere you within the barracks yes-
terday ?—1 was.
How did yon get in there?—l went in consequence
of a summons served upon time. I was in a room with
other witnesses, but I got permission to go outside of the
door, for the sake of air. I do not know who summoned
me there, or for what purpose. I was at length taken
out to view the troops, and I said 1 had not been eita.
mined, but they said that did not signify. 1 had learned
from the other witnesses that I was brought there to
swear to a titan. I went. up the line of troops, accom-
panied by a soldier; I saw two gentlemen to coloured
clothes, and one of theist asked me my nalllC and some
other questions. I was not known when I presented
myself at the barracks. I told them again, when my
name was called over, that I could not swear to any man.
1 was asked winther I could identify any °film, and I
said 1 could not. 1 had not been oworn. I did not see
Lieut. Gate there, upon my oath I did not. I did not
see the whole of the troops, nor find I look at those I did
see particularly, because I understood I was brought
these to swear, if I could, to the officer who shot the
man, acid as I could not do that I did not think it neces-
sary to look at them. I did not see any officer at Cum-
berland Gate that 1 knew besides Mr. Gore. I do not
know any of the magistrates. I did not see more than
one soldier with Ins sword in a menacing attitude at
Cumberland Gate, and I believe that was more to
frighten the people than any thing else. I did not hear
the Riot Act read.

Juryman iisktd Mr. Biroie, if the soldiers Irtigheil
it all

Mr. Wan!imam—Have you not said to some person,
within these thr.•e hours, " What! does Mr. Hanson
(the Guaids' solicitor) want me again? I had enough of
it yesterday—l bad six hours at it."
Witness.-1 believe I did say something of that kind,
but I cannot say that it was Mr. Ilehson's name 1
mentioned.

Alarcus Calder, porter at the Hyde Park Hotel, was
next called.—He proved the porter being ordered for the
soldiers, and that ne took it to Mem there were IS puns,
a pint to each in in. lie saw a `• terrible sight" of peo-
ple assembled at Cumberland Gate. He went up stairs
at the Hotel, and looked front one of the windows, and
the first thing lie saw was the horse soldiers driving fu-
riously ainolig the people with drawn swords. One of
them in particular rode among the people, and tried to
tramide them down. At the same time the people were
&Mowing bricks at the soldiers. Then he went away
from the window, " that he might not see the people cut
down with their swords." In a animate or two after he
heard firing, and he went again to the window, and saw
a man eat ried past in a lifdess state. lie then ran down
stairs into the room where his master's son was, and de-
sired him to keep his head in leSI he should be shot He
went again to his former window, and saw the soldiers
close by the Turnpike, and, as near as he could judge,
they had formed ineinselies into a square, and were firing
nt ditli,rent directions. Tie hearse and procession came
into Ox ord-street from Cumberland Gate just about the
time that the soldiers were riding od the pavement among
the people. Souse men at that time laid hold of the
horses' heads, as if to get them (fowl' Oxford-street, and
at the same instant a man, with enlours in his hand, was
knocked down. He saw no bricks thrown at the time
of the tiring. 'The procession at length moved on, anti
the people were doting away in various directions. His
master was looking out of the wilolow at the same tone
that he was; he Sae., lnin. Ile did not see any peace
officers expostulating with the pelyk or the troops. The
officer mentioned Its name when he cause to order die
beer. His 11:1111C was Gore.

iti:r. tht re was some sneering, I be-
here, as there alw tyb %%ill berm such occJt,totts.

fly the Foreman.—lie hAI not hail ;.ny particular
comersation with his master's son upon this business
since the 14th, and if he had it would he of no use, for
no man on earth could induce hint to give a wrong
statement.

The worthy Alagistrate then ..eicirted , and at the TC-
(IIIVSl of the Jury, said be uuuld hew! Mr. S withal word
mat his pre:enee was required here, alid be bad 110
doubt he would COWL' immediately. If the Jury should
Aquae any further txplJuatiun hum hint Oh. 1.3.)

Foreinan.—You mistake me; I did not inean that.
lly Mr. I lensom—He did not see num. bricks thrown.
Ile was not constantly at the window. Ile saw a soldier
down below his horse, but whether he was struck of
not he could not tell, lle thinks, if his eyes did not de•
ceirc him, it wa► one of the blues. lie sa'v sonic of the