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pointment, it wonlil not only act unfairly towards •
the Commissioner*, but neglect the duty which it
owed to the public. The Commiesioners hid con-
ducted their inquiries in the most fair and candid
manger; they had taken fur their eyelid:oil, in foils
toying the duties arid labour* of the office, the re-
preeentations of the Barons themselves. From the
Basing they learned that there were in all shout
silty-fear or sixty-five days in a your employed in
iheir sittings, leaving ohl the Sundaes (the Com.
meteismeredid (let eay the' they,were molt nada-dad),
%tenet two inon1)1.1 was the whole time emeloyed in
all the memo rs,r Love year. Thee- iii* • meted as 111
Board of Trieristiry. Null in this dote they received
raniewslly about 1,300 petitions. The borusesa of
the Treasure': hdtweee% wits consigned by the Barone
settle King's leement'brancer. and by him aging( to
* his deputy. The Barons did nothing bolt order a
report. then receive it !oil pronounce on it. and
*ear labour in this department of their duties was
at an end. He wished the douse to contra., these
unties with those of a Baron of the English Exche-
quer Court. The Scotch Barons never wrist cir.
Colt like the English ones. The Court of Ex-
CheqUer in England. was also • Court of Equity,
which was open to all parties who chose to
apply; not so in Scotland. The English Barons
trot only went circuit, het took their turn at the
Old Bailey, and were liable besides for Special
Commissions. The Scotch Barons had iaone of
this to do. The English Barons lisd various
cue+ and mete referred to them for their dreirion.
In none of these labours could the ditties of the
Scotch Barons be compared with them. They were
only occupied during two months in the year by
!reds et bar, and the whole business or the Tres-
Bury Board, after bring referred to the Remem-
brance% was dune by his deploy. 'Whet reason
then could there be for five Barone in Seotlarid
'While four were sufficient in England ? lle
would rat, what were the impression's of time
late Attorney-General when lire accepted the office
of 'Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer in Scot-
land. whether he took that office with an under-
Mantling that it was a laborious office, or as an
office of easy employment, not to say a sinecure
office? But deny thing were still wanting to prove
the little labour of the r.ffice. it was furnished by
that learned person ; for he undertook, besides
the duties of the Chief Baron, the office of
Lord Commissioner of the luny Ogirt. The ob-
ject was, by these two appointments, to make up
the salary of Chief Be equal to those of the
other Judges, the duties not being very weighty ex-
cept es they entitled the Chief Baron to a salary of
ILIMO/. a year. Ile could remind the House be-
sides, that it had often been proposed to relieve the
t7(rent of Session from the duties of the Court of
Tierirle, and throw them on the Barons of the Ex-
rhequer, to increase their respectability, if pos-
sible, by glviug them the appearance of doing
something r'r their money.---(d laugh.)--He
eernevtly called the attention of any Gentleman
whose vote could be influenced by a statement of
facts—(A laugh)—if any such there were, mid he
would state one, which, if the cause he was then
supporting were before a jury, would instantly de-
cide the matter in his favour. The late Lord Chief
Baton, before he died, enjoyed very bad health,
was absent from the Court, three years. during two
of which lie travelled Italy, and when he came
home never returned to the Court of Exchequer,
but wax, for the business of the Court as complete a
nonentity as the door-keeper of the (louse. If the
('hie/ Baron could be seared, finely they might
spare% JNniar Baron.—(!lenr, Gear.)—Such was
the simple fact, which lie lied not stated merely for
the annuyance of Ministers, or for the purpose of
decrying the Government. In these times it would
be odious in coy man to stand up in that (louse for
the purpose of ridiculing the ancient institutions
of the country, which more than ever required
their care. tie esker' far that respect for his mo.
lives, to which the earldom. anti fairness of his pur.
roses entitle(' biro, his sole view brine to object to
an appointment so wholly without excuse, -except
that of patronage. Little indeed seas he inclined
to speak lightly of the Courts of .Justice, which
more than ever required upholding, and which,
whatever other qualities, might be attributed to
them, had sheen of late that they were to the last
degree persereting i 0 their examination% and im-
partial in their decisions. But this would be no
apology for 'Untie up this appointment with such
1' breathless haste," if such a term could be ap-
plied to any but the military molione of 'Ali-
glisters. Perhape he ought to say. that there was
ore disseiltient voice among the Commissioners.—
It would be necessary for him to go into the
consideration of who were these Crimmissiou-
ers. it might turn out that the dissentient per-
son was Sir Bay Campbell, under whose rugges.
lion. all the appointments in Scotland, liar the last
50 years, had been filled up. Now, under the
inirfortoneof a wont of a perfectly unanimous
egreetnent among the Commissioners, every one in
Scotland wculd say, Grant that the desisentient
voce may be that of Sir llay Campbell," although
he was at the bead of the Commission. The next
comiderstion was, as to the person appointed
to fulfil the duties of Remembrencer, whose
name was Sir Patrick Murray. He would ask the
Learned Lord Advocate, if Sir 1. wee a lawyer
—if he had ever acted as • lawyer any time during
twenty years past—or could claim the title any
otherwise than from having been formally called
to the bar ? There was no reason for the appoint-
ment of Sii Patrick, except that of the merest and
most room parrorsegr. Ile was Rementhrancer,
1141 dad his ditty by depti.ly. But some perilous
lm 'Kra to attend Ceara. of Law, though they had
a a tiesiness to Ink after, and Sir Patrick might
cloture to put on his gown. and go into the Par.
hauseut-Istruse, to see what was going on. The
cause of his appvintnient might, perhaps, be traced
to his having been once a troublesome candidate
for the representstion of the county of Perth. It
was not a new way to promotion, and a former
candidate fur his (Lcrd Archibald Hamilton's)
own county, had .found it • successful path ; and
indeed, twin what he had observed of Scotch
polities, a man could not take a' snore direct
course to obtain any ,peliticul advancement than
to stand in opposition to a candidate favoured
by filisiteters. •The Noble Lord opponte, who
had once been Lord Advocate, smiled and seem-
ed amused with the humour of the remark;
but he would venture to say. that no out knew the
truth of that remark better than the Lout Registrar.

—!!fear. Aear. S—As the Noble Lard Advocate
had implicated others, lie (Lord H.) was obliged to
examine the list of Commissioners more closely. He
would, first of all, declare that the Commissi (((( era
were persons generally the most respectable and the
best qualified for the busiiiess of such an inquiry that
could he selected. There was first Sir Ilay Canmbell,
who indeed might say of the Cllllllllllll,lOll, with re-
spect 1016. predosninance,"quorunt parsmognafai."
—p•A laasrlt.J—Next was Sir James Montgomery,
an authority as good (lie spoke it without the least
disrespect) as the Lord Advocate or the Lord Re-
gistrar. There were also Messrs. Robinson, Trent-
ham, and Gaspard; the latter had written a hook ott
Scotch Law, which was very generally quoted, and
lie as well as Sir James Montgomery were weighty
authorities with Miuisters. He was reminded of a
feet, that in Edinburgh, at the time of the all-
pointossent in question, the convenati tttt in those cir-
cis, was nut as to the appointment of ■ fifth Ba-
ron, but was confined entirely to the question
of Sir Petrick Murny's mipoiiittnint to that of-
fice ; and he would ask the Lord Advocate,
whether in Scotland there was any other quere
upon the sobjecs, except as to the appointment
of Sir Patrick He now came to the paper brought
on the table on the motion of the Learned Lord.
When he Grit gave notice of his mafioso, the Learned
Lord said he should be ready to meet it whenever it
mime on. The learned Lord afterwards moved for
the paper before the House, and he (Lord II.) took
it therefore as a fair argnownt in support of the
Learned Lord's opinion's on the subject. Now, had
he asked the lea►urd Lord to produce a paper which
should wholly betray his (Me Lord Advocate's)
cause. he could not hive been better accommo-
dated ; lie would have been glad of that very paper.
The paper took away all faindation frora the objec-
tions to the motions.• it asserted that the number of
Barons. ought to he uneven, for the sake of being able
to divide. Then, after what be had stated before,
that nuitib(r should have been reduced to three,
and slot increased to five, Iltit what foundation
was there for this ? The English Courts had four
J iislg,es in each ; the whole number being called con-
stitutionally "the Twelve Judges," a custom which
had been confirmed by reasoned ap:probstiou. But
he had another more general objection to the paper.
It brought the Judges, whose opinions it contented.
before the House as the 'importers of a iodine ►I
job. The opinion of the Commissioners on such a
topic sweat be far superior to that of the Judges.
flat the latter itself, by some unfortunate means
of etpremion into which the subject had be-
trayed the author.. deprived the Lord Advo-
cate of all the argument which he could hove
to draw from i►. Besides, how did he know that
the paper was prepared fairly and inipirtially, so as
to make it fit to be used as an argument before the
House? It was evident that the Judges in draw..
Mg it up made no appeal to the Commissioners,
and in any case they most hove a bias on such a
question; so must the Learned Lord, at whore in-
stance, perhaps, it was originally prepared. Ile
thought the first fact respecting the late Chief
Baron, which he had stated, decisive; but now
he tame to as extraordinary and impressive
a fact as ever was related by tongue or pen.
In the first Report of the Commissioners it was re-
commended to let the duties of one clerk of the
Court of Sessions devolve on the other two, and re-
duce the office. It was fun to chew what was the
opinion of the Judges on the same case. They de-
clared, that it would not only be inexpedient, but
almost impossible; that the duty of the clerks was
olready enough for the time of any man, if indeed
he could find time enough to get through it. Such
was the opinion of the-Judges. Would it be believed
that one of these overlaboured, overdone clerks,
was Walter Scott ? Did lie find time fur nothing
besides the duties of his office ? Were his writings
nothing in respect of the time he used about them ?
He did not care who entertained such an opinion.
it must be scouted from the Land's End to the
Orkneys. " And one mass," said the Report of
the Judges, " could not do it for any length of
time !" If this was tree, o► if the Rouse biliived
it, let them get rid of these Commissioner. and the
expense* of all such Cammtssions. This at least
was due to the country. ft was a remarkable fact,
that while the word " economy" was so frequently
ringing in their ear*, by some fatality there was
no office in the patronage of Ministers, however
useless and disgraceful the expense, which wits ever
attempted to be abridged. A man who wrote more
delightful works than most men had time to read,
held an office, of the duties of which the Judges Said,
" and one man could not do it for any length of
time." There was something fatisitons and fatal in
Scotch patronage, which seemed to act independently
of the will of Ministers, and the effects of which they
were seldom aware of, until they heard it through
the most formidable complaint* in that House.
He really did not believe that Ministers would
have retained such appointments after the Report
of the Commissioners. They might he desirous of
holding office, and eager for its emolument, but
they never could willingly and knowingly commit
such an act of felt) de se, as to continue offices
which could only promote disgust and indigos-
Vm. Now as to the Court itself, the remark of
the Commissioners was, that the duties of al-
most all the (Acre were performed by deputy.
This was odd enough, us it was commonly asserted
and supposed that there was no jobbing or corrup-
tion in those Courts. Mr. Goodwin, the Itemem-
brancer's Deputy, according to the Commissioners'
liepors, page 24, " Charged whatever he 'Armed,
or might judge to be a reicionable remuneration
for his trouble."—(/leer, hear.)—He would not
pursue the details of the Report further for the
present ; but lie would •derlin e, sod was ready to
prove it, there was Ito Court in which such syste-
matic jobbing prevailed throughout. As one instance
he remarked that of the Barons sweeping their own
chambers. He did not find fault because Sir P. Mur-
ray was nu lawyer; there was no need of his being
a luityer to fulfil such sit office. But than he acted
by deputy. Ile could not conceive this to be a ht
and proper way to 1)614 the Judges of the laud be-
fore the House. Ministers ought to have taken the
odium of this most disgraceful transaction entirely
on themselves. He begged pardon for detaining the
Howie—/blear, /.ear)--he was aware that from
the imperfect manner in which lie hod brought it
forward. lie must have done great injustice to the
case. The paper of the Lord Adtocate should have
carried coovictiusi to the people, especially as it was
impossible foe it to carry conviettou to the Judges or

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B4r°"" of Scotland,illsr to any or int parties con-
cerned. lie would fileg leave to add, that such
was the opinion of those conversant with the
affairs of Scotch Courts, that the House might
be assured, if their votes should ever pa" in fa;
your of the appointment, that they would
not carry conviction to the Srottish people. He
cared nothing about the question. fur 11%elf, or for
his share in it ; bid it hail a deep and collateral in-
terest in the prevent state of the country. Let any
one look, for insianee, into the state of Lanark.
where, as lionenrable Members uppo•ite well knew,
distress wish goading the people on to distraction.
Let theta consider the effects of such an appoint-
ment on that population, some of whom were, no
doubt, mieehievnn., si dniou and depraved, but
the greater part were shrewd, speculative, reason-
ing people. What could be urged in reply to them
when they stated this as one of hundred. of cases
similar, which more that, any thing tended to keep
up that excitement of the vulgar 'Mod ?—(Cheers
front the Oppoitfoci—What could hr do or sly its
reply to such a statement, when called upon to
quell a disturbance of those unhappy men, and
pot them dawn at the point of the sword, in his
capacity of Deputy Lieutenant of the County, and
as a Magistrate and Keeper of the l'eace ? lie
concluded by entreating the lions-, as they re-
garded the sufferings and the respect of the people,
and a• they preferred tranquillity and confidence to
violence and distrust, to favour tie Resolution which
he had to submit tr, them, which was—
'" That this Holism do agree with the Report of the Com-
missioners appoiuted to inquire into the duties,
memos, and einulliments of Courts of Justice in Scotland, as
far a* relate* to the Court of Excheyier, concerning which
' the Report declares five 'Bayous to he snore than necessary,
and that she bossiness could be done erpially well with four,
as in England, withont materially adding to the duties of
the remaining offices."

The Noble Lord was loudly cheered as lie sat
down.

The LORD ADVOCATE then rose. Ile toil( the
whole blame of the papers which he had moved for
upon himself; Nod in doing so lie (oily wished to
have credit for their containing the whole truth, and
fur his intention stud wishes that they should contain
the truth. The Judge. at the heads of all the Courts
in Edinburgh had nuallionously concurred with hi in
its opinion, that a judicial establishment, subsinuing
for a very foninteriod of time in Scotland, and whose
continuance had been provided for in the Act of
Union bet.ren the two countries, should not be
hastily and inCousiderately altered, and that no
change should be admitted in the vonstiontion
thereof, but upon the most grave and deliberate
examination, and upon the testimony of such indi-
viduals as, from education and pursuits, were beat
enabled to florin sn opinion on the ;object ; and if
the Report which he had caused to be laid before
the House, were looked into. this would be found
la be the substance of it. It stated the necessity
of deep deliberation and extensive inquire, previous
to the *Joplin any alteration iii titr frame of the
Court, mod all these conditions should be realised,
it was advisable to continue the former number of
Judges. He had been surprised at the observations
of the Noble Lord (Lord A. Hamilton) on the Jury
Court. That Court was a new institution ; yet,
most of the Judges who presided in it were not
new, but taken from other Court.. The whole
system of it at the commencement had been merely
experimental. All the proceedings were directed
to commence in the Court of Session. The cause
was to be brought into the Jury Court, merely to
obtain a verdict, after which it was to be sent back
into the oilier Court. Its its establishment the Pre-
judices of the people generally were by no means
consulted—their feelings were on the aide of the
old practice; and with these prejntlices alpinist it,
it was surprising how perfectly it haul succeeded,'
mid answered the purposes intended. This was
Undoubtedly due principally to the zeal, good
temper,. end talents of the Chief Commissioner;
but such was the feeling of the benefits derived
from it, that Acts of Parliament were passed aubar•
queittly to its formation, giving it an original and
entire jurisdiction over a variety of cases. It was
quite clear therefore that a number of itnportout
duties must devolve on the head of that Court, par-
ticularly as his two brethren were obliged to preside
in another Court—(dear, from the Opposition)—
where they had very arduous duties imposed on
them. It was quite a mistake of the Noble Lord
to suppose that a judge in one Court could devote
none of his time to the administration of justice in
another. The two minor Judges of the Jury
Court, who were &elected on account of their
talent* and. learning to that office, had duties to
perform in the Court of Session besides, and also iu
the Court of .1 mist iciary.-- ( Ifear,from the Opposition.)
—To favour the motion of the Noble.Lurd, there
certainly was a Report of certain Commissioners,
not unanimous, however, for one, and the chief, had
dissented from the rest. But the recommendation
had come from persons who were not authorised,
who had no power by law, or by the act of their ap-
pointment, to consider that point on which they had
taken on themselves to give an opinion. Ile in-
sisted that they had travelled out of their jurisdic-
tion, mid, moreover, that their opinion rested tin
the weight of their own names, merely unsupport-
ed by any other groom! ur outhority.—(lhur.)
The Noble Lord might blame the filling up of the•
vacancy, but if fairly viewed, it was, under the cif.,
commences, one of the most reasonable things that
could be. It was merely the continuing iii its old
form of a Court which the people had enjoyed fur
centuries, and which they had a right to consider as
their own, the vacancy mid taken 'duce (us we un-
•derstood) in November IntS, and was tilled up its
lost &lurch. Parliament hod met twice it+ the
interval,•but not a word had been said on the subject
no the opposite side of the House. He must be
indulged in a few words with respect to the qua-
litleatious of the gentleman appointed. Sir P.
'Murray possessed a species of knowledge which
peculterly fitted him for tic situation. Ile had fur
many years acted as Ptime Remembrancer of
the Court of Exchequer; Hod he send that the ex-
perience and knowledge of pro.ctice amid forms ac.;
quired by the 'whin% of that office qualified Imo
for his new duty better than ally other mode of at-
terdance on the Court. An appointment on such.
grounds was not without precedent : Baron Mon.
cruel' had been chosen as a Baron of the Exchequer
iu gii,eattd, in consequence of having been a De-
puty Itemembrancer for sa years; the appoint-
meta of 8111911 Perrott (we believe) proceeded our
the same rectum. But there was one ptnut of stew

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in which the appolistmeht of Sir P. Sin ?ray was !PPP.
cially deserving of appiobation. I4ls appointment
produced a considerable saving to the public, which
would not accrue had stay other individual been
fixed upon. Because by a Bill pawed a few years
before, the office he had held was to he abolished,
on the eirpiration of the interest of the then holder.
—(Hear.)—The celery annexed to it, therefore,
which wt's equal to one half of that of Boron
of the Exchequer, became merged In that of the
latter, and it reduction to such amount was thus
effected for the country.--(( heers)—lle insisted
that no assurance whatever had I).en ?liked or given,
that the place would tint be tilled m 4.11111 'Corrected
the error, that the fifth Moon was an additional
one, not before known in the Court. lie con-
tended that the number of J udges in the Court of
Exchequer had been fixed at firl•, by the following
words in the Act of Union. " At ion time there
shell be more 11)411 five members.—(,Cheers and
laughter from the Opposkian.)-11o: language
was strictly just, because it provided }or the
occasional contingency of a moaner nniwber.
lie argued, that there were several reasons why
the number of Judges should he five rather than
four. There were five Judges in all the Courts of
Law in Scotland. •• We," sent the Lord Advo-
cate, '• prefer four, you five."—(Laughter from
the Opposiqess.)—The Learned Lord then entered
into a description of the v.4iovis and important du-
ties to be performed by the Barna-, which he as-
serted could not be properly done by fewer. The
Noble Lord's statement with respect to the di.-
charge of the ministerial duties by the Deputy tie-
ntembrancer was a total mistake. These and other
functions in relation to the passing of charters, and
appointing tutors,could not he performed hut its per-
son. The Commissioners were appointed to inquire
into the dutie', fees, and emoluments of clerk.,
ministers, and officers of the Courts of Justice—
Mewl—surely, then,, they had exceeded their
powers in extending their Inquiries to Judges.—
(Hear, hear.)—He contended, that this, his view
of the case, wee supported by the original motion of
the lion. Member for AVaterford (Sir J. Newport),
rod the former investigations referred to tlwresu,
carried on in 1664, 1693, 1757, and 1797. The
only qualification held necessary for must of the
Connuissumers in the present inatauce woo an ignis-
ranee of the subjects into which they were io
quire. lie thought that the Noble Lord's remarks 44s
the first of the Commissioners (Sir Ilay Campbell)
might have been spored, lie should have hoped that
his years and venerable grey hair, would have sieved
him from comments undeserved and unfounded,
(Cries of " chair !")
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The VEARER here called the Lord Advocate to
order.
The LORD ADVOCATE continued. lie had not io-
tended to say oily thing unparliamentary, and if
soy thing of that description had escaped him, be
was ready to make any apology.—(dear, hear.)—
The First Commissioner was eminently qualified to
fill the office for which he hail been selected, but
the oilier, were svltoliy unfit, so that the reconnuen-
dation, was not entitled to much weight. The
people of Scotland felt themselves highly gratified
by his Majesty's Government having sent into that
country to preside over the Exchequer Court an
individual (Sir S. Shepherd) so ranch distinguish-'
ed as the present Chief Baron was, by all the qua-
lities which could adorn a Judge; and lidless the
north.couMly air—(d laugh)—was utterly subver-
sive of parity of mind and integrity of chinacter. he
mald not hove given his opinion, when required so
to do,bot fairly, impartially, and wisely. Time records
of Parliament would bear 111111 out wheu he tuid, that
in December last lie had given notice of moving
for. leave to bring in two Bills to regulate the Courts
of Session and of Admiralty. Circumstances had
intervened to prevent I • from following up his
intention before, but lie had iti the Mello time sub-
mitted the measures to all the great law authorities
iu Scotland, and he should beg leave to relicw his
notices in a few days. It was utterly impossible
for lons at present to attempt tiny thing of pot nature
in rrgdrd ess the C'ourt of Exchequer, because the
Reports iiipecting it were not completed. fie wan
not aware that the Barons of the Exchequer
had soy yolitieal.duties attached to their
The Noble Lord laboured ander • mistake
vibes he affirmed . that the late Chief Baron
had •bees abattat three years. The -period of
hits absent* hid bdt Exceeded rine, hod When
.residiug at &tilt 'he went regularly down to Ediii-
.bitigh at totas time.
Loni A. fiIIiSIMON and the Loan ADVOCATE
mutually explainid.
Sr./. IVEY/ PORT said that the House was bound
to entertain the greatest postible distrust of M tote-
ten' intentions with regard to effectuating the re-
coaniiindations of the Commission. And why ?
because they had originally voted against the
motion for its appointment. and had done every
thing in their power to delay and frustrate its
object. Alter the address bad hero carricel,
they aniseed omen months to pass before any ap-
pointment took place, and no appointment was
made till a notice had been given in the House
old motion for Inquiry into the causes of the delay.
The Learned Lord (the Lord Advocate) said, that
the Commissioners had travelled out of their lung-
diction, in inquiring into the constitution of the
Court. It had so happened, however, that in both
England and Ireland, the Commissioners were all
+itv wits isistairiog into the duties of the J udges
Weirs 4sivr)-4asi thiir emoluments. lie believed
that &hued they had su 11111 l tined the Judges
before them, sod staimainsvi them nib touching
their fern. If the Lord's üb.rivatnwu had
66.11 well founded, the 'Cbuitni.• 1111 l ers ought to
have been ut the firit AkliKfaleed. lie certainly
allowed that the appointment of one of the Coto-
was Usoll extraordinary. Oa a C
mission to inquire into ken of the officers in
the Court of Chancery, his M•ijeety's Mihistrrs had
nominated two Masters in Chaticery—(lleurj—and
accordingly the House had their Report belore them
which gave no account of fee.; a Repent, stating,
that the Lord Chaticelfor's S. civility received nu
fees, but only gratuities. He tl l ght the Corn-
nitsesioners bad stilted the most valid grounds, foe
their opinion in describing the duties to be done io
the Court, the uuwher of cases to be tried, and
of days in the year, moulding by-the-bye, to only
'eighty-fire', fur which sittings were held. He be-
lieved the ministerial duties of the Barons consisted
in only affixing a signature. But the must im-
portant argument on the side of the Conintiiialontis

was, that for one whole year, on the Leartted
odinission, the ditty of the Court 'NW'.
four Barons. It was au extraordimary tar rri.ce that
the number of Judges could not he lees
because an Act of Parliament hid provided that it
should not he more. Had the ease produced hv
the Learned lAttril Mien submitted to the ('nniruts.
sinners, to discover what they could stlvatice in sup.
Ant of their own opinion ?—/Hear, te,dr)—Wutild
it not htiVe Win TAM 14 M Slli%Ved Went to see
it? But if the Home did not support its risti
Comitionioners, it *Odd be ettoogh to rte•courize
any mail from donrg his duty in future. 'Pit.
war 11'4 tlw case in try the sincerity of
Alajerty's Ministers to thei PrOfessionst
*IWO effert thie endued* the CoMittrisints. trestion
termed to be mute olintit the exigence of abuses.
The last RePnrt containOd I aiiciiption or sook
OUP monstrous, that without comity/ ors strung
evidence they 'would be incredible. It was
Iris ictent- ld submit a tiintioa to the House
foonded on one of the fa'ci'e ifetsiled in it.—
. ‘Vhere there wee crimio•lity be woes as there
describe:l. there should not only be amendment for
the past, but ministrinint for the future. Hr Ise
infortned that the htislnetta or the Eitchequer Court
M4l diminalting, or at !Alit not increasing. If the
!louse pronoist.ced that it would not act on the re-
commendation of the ConniFasinn, it would he
14r better that it were dissolved, and the expense of
it saved to the public.—(Hear, hear.)

Lord CASTLEREAGh SWIM' the Noble Lord
(Lord A. Hamilton) that if he imputed to his M.
jesoy's Ministers, in these times, any wish but that
of performing their duty to the public, by correct.
ing ill abuses that might crime to light, he impieed
to theta what they were incapable of feeling. The
Noble Lityri then argued, that the House would
not be jistilled in consenting to change the frame
and teinstantion of one of the principal Courts, on
thC Vivre 'diction of fobs nut of Are Commissioners,
who, had stepped, as be conceived, beyond their
province. in giving the recommendation. The
Court was. in addition to its other duties, a
Court of Revenue, and in much of its jurisdiction
wittinat slipfal. He hoped the Noble Lord had
exaggerat id the distreisti.of his roninitnents, at all
event* tfle decision of tbat night could make but
lade deriehie to theta. Nothing he knew was so
easy as to get credit for the imagination, that
tyre)* rppoiniment was the result of a connexion
with souse swan in power. Bin lie would a,k,
would that hlghly.dostinguisheil and respected ch
tarter. the Chief ffiroti of Scotland, have suc-
tioned an appOintment if it had not been necessary!
lie nottet contend, that the gentleman appointed
was the Attest person, from his previous habits
and knowledge, and that, in short, the appont-
metit had not been made in the spirit of favour,
bet Of joist discrimination. The Reports of Com-
mainiatersi of Inquiry, though useful. were not
to heransidered without appeal, isud the only way
of rightly renfleriug them available sins by referrisi;
them to the Boards respecting what inquiries a, r,
mode. in the case of the inquiry into the Court of
Chancery, some years two, Lord Illairdwickelied
setvilly himself drawn up the Reports. Bet he
would ask, what interest could the Judges of
Of &taunt have in the number of Blifelie of
the Exchequer ? and he would contend that
Lord Sidmontli would have incurred 4 very
grave responsibility if he had not tilled op the
office, but had left a Court of Law in a new and
fantastical state of incompleteness. By so actin.:
the House were not precluded from considering Ilse
nature of the offence—that was still within the reach
of Parliament, though uodout,tedly the particular
appointment WWI SO placed.—His opinion was that
the Commissioners had not examined fully and
fairly, or ut all events, they had not given the Noose
in the body of their Report any.grutinds to enatite
the House to go along with thriti. He was pre-
pared to meet the Noble Lord half way, and 1,..0
Into a full inquiry. which In his opinion hail net
been done by the short and dogmatical Report of
the Commissioners.

The SPEAKER now read the question, when
Mr. TIEUNEY rose And swig, that be ai+s
this was a question which Ministers would not meet
directly; they had accordingly misinted the fllolllrT9
Of the Oentletwris on that site of the flous.e, sod 'OKI.
ticularly ciitiotired the stew Members to be upon
their guard against their audits-it, as !hey would ilia
fallibly teal Olean into lid ore ; but
lie would tell these stew Members that if they
follow the Noble Lord, he will lead them into dffi-
coltits forthwith. We art iircuseti," said Mr,
Tierney, " of not believing hi the sincerity of the
professions of economy made by the Administration.
I protest to God I do not believe one word of
those professions; for if we put Furth a i„rritierul pro—
ject of tenuously, then we are itemised of oversettiog
the Goveruntent ; it a small atving is proposed, the..
it is said, %Vitat • noise you make about nothiu4 l"
Ile believed this was the fault of the system, and
the Ministers could not petit it; they could not
afford to lose the third part of the fifth of a Baron.
MIA were obliged, if they would retain their
places, to retain also the whole of their patronage.
It the Noble Lord lied proposed inquiry five mouths
since, there would have been something in it, but
now if they were to appoint a Committee, send
for witnesses out of Scotland to resit:line, would
there, lie would ask, be a probability of arty
thing being done this Srd4loll ? The Noble
Lord has said. the Government were embarrassed
affair ; nut the suitor., but the Govern-
inesitiuni so iudeed they were. Sir Novick
Muiruy'wes too well backed up to be refused ; he
had played the game the sordid 00 disrespect to
hint) which. had been once played before, at which
some gentleman had and. Ttiere are three of u.."
Ile could not say what the number was here.
111111111 " Five of us." Reviewing all 'the circum-
stances of this appointment, be would ask. cotiltt
any masa doubt that it was a job—is downright, un-
equivocal jolt ? If it had out been so the Ni•ble
Lord would have at least abstained from tilling tilt
tins appointment. The Right lion. Gandeuitto
contended that there was 'scare made out distinctly.
and that by Commissioners named by the Crown:
all the facts were admitted ; and were they then to
shut their eyes to that appo iiiii uent snide its tiefisae
of all decency. uut for the sake of the miserable
saving of 1,0001. a-yeur. as the Noble Lord liad
stated it, but es being the first intelligible retrench-
ment which had been proposed ? If Me Ministers
had sufficient authority to citify the business ht the
way they sitereiteing on, they must submit. as alt

BRI'IiSH PItISS.

LONDON,
TUESDAY, MAT 16, 1820.

The farther coosidirration of the Civil List, which
Stood for yesterdsy reeling in the I-souse of Coin-
-1110110, was postponed until to-morrow, in eon.
sequesier of the absence of the Cu•Nt:ELLOIt
of the EICIUSQVIIL The House was occupied to
a late hour in discussing Lord A. II amiLros's
motion respecting the appointment of a Fifth Ba-
ron of the Exchequer iis Scotland. We request
the particular attention of our readers to the admi-
rable speech of Lord A. ilassti.Tox. The result
was only a majority of i•! in favour of Ministers.

Lord hlii,ToN's motion for leave to bring in a
Bill to repeal the Art of the last Session, imposing
I. duty tit 6d. per pound on the importation of fo-
reign wool, which stood fixed for this evening iu
the House of Commons, has been postponed for a
few days. A motion such as this is, involving the
very existence of au extensive branch of our most va-
luable manufacture—on which the employment and
comforts of a very large portion of our people rle•
Fend, and which is founded no less on the experience
of past evil., than on the best principlesof political
wisdom, cannot fail of success. The ouly pretence
for originally imposing so impolitic a tax, was a
lope that it would he a valuable'sccession to our
lubournig revenue ; hut this hope has failed,•anil
the impediments !brown by the prohibitory opera.
Lion of the measure in the ildViitiCt of our mans.
Gcturing interests, moo, 011 the routra►y, have
deprived the Tre..ory init.r revenues that would
hove arisen fron► an ei.lat get! consumption. The
measure must iiko, by adding to the number of
hove feuded still further to oppress the
sigro.i.ltural interests, and increase their ember-
rassineuts. All parties ought, therefore, to unite
iii pathogen end to so obnoxious a duty ; and oil-
productive as it hits been to the Treasury, even
the CHANCELLoit of the EXcIIZQUEg might wit..
ties* its dissolution without a struggle or a sigh.
We observe with pain that a very great jealousy
of the manufacturing and commercial interests of
this empire Isas growi► op among some of our most
eminent agriculturists, ■nd they allege that the
agriculture •f the country has 'Neu uniform/y saw

crifit7ed to trade and manufacturer. They are tery
ungrateful to trade and matiulictures, or are stay
ill apprised of the great twaielits which they have
derived from these sources of wealth and power.
But they surely do not desire to he iiitilerianorl
li-
terdlly when they uffirni that agriculture hat, been
sacrificed to the other brand:ea of maternal intluory.
Is not the great home mat ..rt second to the nativr
agriculturists, even though it it 000 that they
cannot supply it ? Whom did the wails of trade
and commerce enrich during the war, if not the
agriculturists ? Where would the produce of I
land fluid consumers, if it went not to feed the great
commercial and ntanufacturing population of Great
Britain? There is not a foreign comitry to which
one quarter of British corn can be scut with a
chalice of 'Wiling a market, and consequently if
the British manufacturers did not require a Large
consumption' the glorious display of figurer in the
Agricultural Report would raptilly fall mail, and
our agriculture would be reduced to raising suffi-
cient produce for the maintenance of the landed
proprietor and his few lahourrrA. The jealousy of
she agriculturists towards the commercial and rini-
nufacturing interests, almost realises the fable told
in Ln Yof the belly and the members. They will
in time discover that commerce is the life's-swing
of agriculture ; that while it prospers the land
will flourish; but that should fate or fully drive ca-
pitol and commercial industry from our shores to
seek for shelter in other countries, we may indeed
have green fields, and flocks and herds, but agri-
culture must lose its energy when the population
that required the excess of produce over the wants
of the cultivators shall have dwindled away, or
have followed the capital and the Commerce that
gave them the means of saleistence. We certainly
would not have one branch of national industry
more favoured .than another, butt let the equality
between all be .regulated, not by imposing addi-
tional burdens upon one, but by lightening the
load that may be felt to 'press upon the other.
The grounds of Lord NIII.ToN'is motion are, we
preswine, partly developed in the following Petition,
which has been presented to the (louse, laid upon
the table, said p • ed. It is—

"A Petition of the Merchants, Manufacturers, and Traders
in Wool, resident in Leicester and it; vicinity, setting forth
that a tax of fid. per pound was imposed on the importa-
tion of Woul, by the last Parliament, and the Bill was
brought forward at so short a notice, that the Petitioners and
utlwrs were preseuted by the forms of the House from
laying the hardship of their case before Parliansent ; the
Petitioners therefore now pumbly, respectfully, and ear-
nestly entreat the early attention of the House to the
extreme injury ■rising from that tax; the Petitioners are
aware that general commercial distress is fe It by them
in commou with others, and are confident that this tax
has most materially increased the distress of the Petitioners
and others embarked in the woollen trade and manufacture;
the Petitioners are convinced that the House will see the
said tax is contrary to the system hitherto pursued, and to
all acknowledged rules of police! economy, and will inevi-
tahly pervesit the importation of coarse wool, and the Peti-
tioners believe it will nut raise the price of Eliglish wool ;
it must also cause the price of the fine wools of Spain and
Saxony to be always higher here than upon the Continent,
whirl. most prove fatal be those districts heretofore employ.
ed in the manufacture of superfine cloth and ke►seymerrs
fur exportation, and thereby transfer what has hitherto
berm cot:sidereal the staple trade of Great Britain, and one
great source of her wealth, prosperity, and power, to Miser
nations. The Petitioners do not, however, rest their case
upon apprehension or opinion only, however well grounded,
they now actually feel these ruinous effects; that some of the
Pet ',Muer, have nut been able to execute foreign orders, which
would have given great employment to a distressed popula-
tion, because they could not compete with foreign mannfac-
torero ; the Petitioners moreover cannot refrain from slat.
ing to the House., that they have reason to believe this cruel
tax was imposed, not so mach with the expectation of in-
creasing the revenue. as to satisfy the wishes of some leading
and respectable members of agricultural associations; the
Petitioners cannot conceive it possible that the late House
of Commons, or the great landed interest of this country,
could have been acquainted with the disastrous effects of
this tax,. or they would 1101 have thus consented to sacri-
fice a numerous, tearful, and industrious class of their fel-
low-subjects, who have at all times borne their shale of
the politic burdens, and contributed to the strength, pros-
perity, and independence of the empire ; that the Peti-
tioners beg !cave further to state to the House, that, ender
the fullest confidence that the laws which have an long ex-
isted in regard to wool and woollen trades would not have
been altered, large capitals have been embarked in the
erretiou of manufactories, and in providing machinery and
alewife fur carrying them on, which establishments will
Cease to be of any value if this said tax is continued, and the
landed ;nom rty in the vicinity of manufacturing towns will
be greatly depreciated ; the Petitioners confidently trust
that the House will immediately repeal this destructive
tax, and agates afford to the woollen manufacture and the
commerce of this roulitry that protection which in every
roomer period of history it has received ; and if the House
is nut sufficiently satisfied that the effects of this tax are and
most he such as have been stated, the Petitioners humbly
pray to be heard by their Counsel at the bar of the House."

Paris Pspers of Friday last have arrived at our
Office. They contain some extracts from the
11adr►d Journals of the 2d of limy, which represent
Spain as continu►ng to enjoy perfect tranquillity,
and the people as ittereastog in confidence, and
looking forward with warm hopes to the meeting of
the General Cortes.

A egiutedron, consisting of the frigates Lvere,
Sabina, and Viva, the corvette Areihrsa, ihe
tine* Miens and Hercules, aild route other vessel►,
was preparing ut Cadiz to sail fur Venezuela and
Carthagrita. This squadron is to convey some
troops, but the principal object of the expedition
is to sopp‘rt, by a 'how of strength, the 'levels.

lions that are about to be commenced with the
Pat riots.
'rim King of SPAIN hat cominsinktl, that of the
iroopt forming the uatiooai armies now united in
Andalu►ia) a tingle corps d'airmie shall be orgio.
lobed under the orders of Dim.le Ali 0.130:40141JE,
mlti* whom shall be placed Dim ANTONIO
ROG A, and General ARCO GUERA.

A Paris Paper couirsdicis the story respecting
the pecuniary transactions between Our present
Kin°, when Princent Wst.ts. and the late Duke
of ORLEANS. It denies that his Royal Uighur.s
had borrowed usiy money from the Duke.

We have received New York Papers to the flirt
ultimo. The commercial dtatre•s in the United
Stutea has produced a great deficiency in the re.
venue, nod the difference betivreso the receipts and
the etpenditure, fur the year 18.110, virus estimated
at nearly four millions of dollar*, including the
fon& available at the cnriclupion of the year 1819,
which are nearly 800,000 dollars. The deficiency
of IBitl is estimated at 3,655,000 dollars; but ve-
venal of the American papers state it will he much
more, on accomit of the revenue entirely arising from
import &intim—The folloWing are extracts:—
The Committee appointed on the Ways and
Mean• for the years 1820 sod 18311, have nude
their Report.
_ _

The amount availahle fur the expenses of 1820, Dollars.
WAS . 21,525,666
Expeutl,ture

Leaving deficiency of 3,773,499
A Bill has in consequence been introduced, autho-
rising a loan of two millions of dollars, the re-
mainder to he taken from the Sinking Fund. The
Report goes on to take a view of the receipts and
expenditure for the year 1821. The result of which
is au estimated deficit of 3,655.000 dollars.
( From the Atm York Ga:ette.l

Whilst speaking of the Revenue and the Loan
Bill we are reminded that Mr. STORM'S ►notion,
looking to the establishment of a system of it.terrial
revenue, was founded on the Report of the Ways
and Menus, and did not grow out of the decision to
the Act on the Bill to revise the tariff of duties on
imports, as we had supposed.
•The report as to the ratification of the Florida
Treaty, by Spain, appears premature : the rumour
originated in Ihe of the minor journals ; it is now
stated that the official paper, The tVational
Intel-
ligencer, continues silent on this important sub-
ject. There is, however, no doubt entertained as
to the final ratification.

Several amendments in the Navigation Bill have
been introduced; they appear of minor importance.
The principle or the Bill to prohibit all intercourse
between the United States end British Colonies,
appears to meet with little opposition. The Ame-
rican pipers seem confident as to its passing into
a law. _

Advices from the Cape of Good Hope to the lit
of February contain a Proclamation of the above
date, from the Governor. Sir It. S. DoNam com-
manding that all vessels which arrive at the Cape,
either from the Mauritius or the East Indies,
s`►ould be subjected to a rigorous quarantine. to
prevent the introduction of the malignant fever
which was rigging ut the former settlement. The
extension of the order to vessels coming from the
East Indies is ascribed to the rear lest any coma•
ginti should be communicated from that quarter,
where the cholera morbus has prevailed.

The judgment of the Court of King's Bench
was pronouced yesterday upon Mr. HUNT and the
other Defendants, who, with him, were found
guilty at York. Mr. HUNT was sentenced to suffer
iniprisonstient for Iwo years and a half! in fiches.
ter gaol, and to give ►ecurity for his good behaviour
for five years, himself in 1,000/. and two sureties
In 5001. each. JOHNSON, HEA LY, and BAMFORD,
were sentenced to he imprisoned each one year in
Lincoln Castle, and to give security for five years,
themselves respectively in 2001. and two sureties in
100/. each. The Court of King's Bench, in pro.
nottocing this sentence, must have viewed Mr.
offeuce in • very heinous light. Had
he been guilty of sedition or blasphemy, a severer
punishment could not have been awarded against
him; yet his crime was nothing more than the
commission of an act which, until very recently,
had not been thought illegal or improper. To
meet in public fur the expression of individual
opinions was hitherto reckoned qmong the
boasted rights of the people of England, and
Mr. Justice BAYLEY declared on the trial at
York, that to tall a meeting fur the purpose of
Froposing a Reform its Parliament was not illegal,
and further, that the circumstance of numbers
alone did not divest such a meeting of its legal
character. The purpose of the meeting at I,lau-
cliester was yesterday declared, in the affidavits
of some of those who convened it, to have been
Gond fide what it purported to be, namely, to
express the sense of the people upon tile expediency
of Parliamentary Reform, and the meeting sub-
sequently became illegal only front the nature of
the flags that were borne at it, and with which
Mr. HeNT had no concern.

The judgment was heard in the Court yesterday
with a feeling of disappointment and surprise, (or
it wag certainly much heavier than was expected
from a mete* of the trial. From such severity
69 advantage can be *frisch because Parliament

has already cut cp the old law on the stil j ct of
public meetings by the tout, and thereby pirvent-
ed thr recurrence of such an offence. It may excite
• sympathy iii his favour among those to whom lie
was previously an object of indifference.
Judgement was alm pronounced iu the case of Sir
CHARLES WOLSELET. who was sentenced to im-
prisonment for eighteen months in Abingdon gaol.
and to give security fur five years. JOSEPH !FAR-
mom. the preacher, received sentence of an equal
term of imprisonment.

The Brisk has receivrd -orders to hr in ►eadinrrs
to attract his MAJESTY on his aquatic excursion iu
July next, as on a similar occasion last year.

Yesterday Earl KATHURIIT and Viscount Mrt.-
TILLE had audiences of the KING, et his Prldee
in 11.1111-mall.

The Dni.hess of KVIT rode out in on open (qtr.
rio4e with Prince LEOPOLD yesterdsy. and in the
evening the Prime dined with the Duchess.
Yesterday the Duchess of CLOUCEsTER visited
the Princess SoPHtA.

The Mall in St. James's Park has recently re-
covered some of its former 11shion. Yesterday it
presented a fine display of equestrians, male and
female, who sought the protection of its shade from
the still and dust of the ride in Hyde Park.
Dr. MACKIE and the Rev. Mr. MACKIN arrived
et Fladong's I Intel yesterday from Bath.
Sir Josent BANKS resigns the Presidency of the
Royal Society immediately, and Earl SPENCER
is to he appointed in his place. Sir J. B. devoted
Ins fortune to the situation, and had excellent tact,
hut certainly neither scholarship nor deep science:
he is not veurd even in simple mathematics.
Mr. CiiisaLEs K EMILE Was prevented by a
se-
vere cold from filing; his place last night at Co-
vent-garden Theatre in Mini Qaaire.
The Pagoda Bridge, in St. James's Park, has
acquired a very sober appearance since it has been
divested of those attributes of folly, the caps and
bells.

THICATRIFROTAL, ENGLISH OPERA HOUSE.—
Mr. M ATHEWS (by the desire of several fashion-
able.) last ought performed, for the first time this
season. his inimitable entrrtainment of last year,
The Try► to Paris, to a crowded hou►e. The
whole of the performsoce kept the audience in a
tom. of laughter, particularly the Packet Song;
and that exquisite Imprecate.. the Old Scotch Lady's
Story about nothing. The petite piece, or Mono-
poly-logue, called La Diligence, followed, and Mr.
M ATHEWS was equally arousing in theastonishingly
rapid changes of character he assumes.
The 10th Hussars, his NIAJZSTY'S favourite regi-
ment, passed through Carlisle this week, from the
North, for London. to assist in the ceremoilial of
the Coronation. The eldest son of Sir FRANCIS
Bo RDETT is an officer iii this corps. He is a tics
personable looking young man, and from the cr.
lebrity of his father, excited considerable notice.—
(Ibid.,/
A correspondent informs us, that • gentleman
who fills a respectable situation iu the Victualling-
office, was abruptly stopped on Sunday the 30th
ult. from walking into the Citadel by the Se►jesut
on duty, simply because he wore • white hat. From
what quarter this order emanated is not mentioned,
hut we trust that an inquiry will be instituted by
the proper authority. If so trivial a thing be the
cause of exclusion, it is not the wily to conciliate
British feelings or increase the patriotic spirit.—
( Plymouth Telegraph.)
The East Jodie Company's ships Inglis arid
Vansittart, arrived from China, off Weymouth, the
13th instant. These ships left China the 23d Ja-
nuary, and St. Helena, the 2d April, at which
time there were at that island the ships
Princess Charlotte of Wales end Marquis Camden.—
to leave on the 2J April; and Marquis of Wellington and
Carnatie—to leave as soup as both were in mediae's.
The Inglis spoke the ship 411moroh, from Bengal,
on the 25th April, in lat. 20. 42. North, and long.
36. 40. West—all well.

A Correspondent from Exmouth writes us—" It
has been blowing a gale here from the southward
three days, which has caused a tremendous surf on
the bar ; to-day it exhibited a scene of terrific gran-
deur, particularly at low water : about tioosi, two
small boats were seen approaching it from the west-
ward ; the pilots knew them to be the Amazon,
and Lady of the Lnke yet btr, which sailed eight
days ago for Plymouth, and said it was almost im.
possible for them to enter the harbour. At a guar-
tel after one they passed the outer white buoy. Every
eye was fixed on them, and every heart beat with
anxiety ; at length a sea threw the former on her
broadside, plainly exhibiting part of her keel; ere
she had recovered the shock, a sea broke on board
the latter, and she disappeared, as it were, in on
instant. The little bark, however, emerged from
the wave, but was water logged, and from the mast
to the stern was barely visible. Two people were
seen bailing with their hats, and at length their
exertions saved themselves and the boat; and both
entered the harbour to the great astonishment of
the spectators. On board the Amazon were Capt.
HOSKINS, Lieut. George TINGCOMBE, and Mr. J.
Cox. On hoard the Lady of the Lake, Liege. W.
PEIDIIAII, Mr. READ, and Lieut. Geo. READ, Ibis
son : what the feelings of this young man were, on
beholding himself about to perish, with 'nis aged
parent, must be conceived, they control be ex.
prewied,"
RICHARDSON, GOODLUCE, and Co. respectfully
acquaint the Public, that the Second Day of Draw.
in, will he NEXT THURSDAY, when the •First Driers
Prize will be entitled to 10,000/. Consuls iu addition. The
Wheel contains 78 Capitals, including
4 Prizes of .. £30,000
2
4
Consols and Money.
Tiekets and shares (warranted undrawo) are on Mei by
RICHARDSON, GOODLUCK, sad CO. at their Gee%
Hank.buililiegs,Curnhill, sod Charing.erows, who Sold is lin
present Lottery three Capital P,izn in Shares.
A poor girl in Glasgow, who had received a re-
primand from her parents for spending too much
of her earnings in wearing apparel, drowned herself
yesterday in the Clyde. So willing are many girls
in the amine sphere to appear as well clothed es what
they were formerly, that from the kind and scanti-
ness of their food many of them have been attacked
with inflammation of the bowels,—(Carlisle ;bar.
isaL)

THr•. a,<•t: lit f.Ci
C4III4ILIC tiodit.llES.

Yesterday the anniversary dinner in oupoirot
athver Cilialeorictrzdfroernet‘i,tii
providing for destitute forvitaiot, was held at the
Freenotroo.' Tavern. A twist the num. ut .5 •u,l
very respectable o.ortullay stitch unit for the
pose of ptosnottog the object. of this truly Itosivioe
and benevolent Charity, or room). this Impuy u• to I
of *every{ !montane mid benevol.itt chorine-. avr Ws'
ticed his Grace the Duke of NORFOLK, the E., I
of DORGOGHOIORE, nisi Earl of Pineal.. the It g. t
Rev. Dr. Nature!. it. the Right Doti. Loud Cr 1!. •
troop, Sir G. JEN.% 1461 i ma, Batt. and moil U....
dis•inguished Nubleineo, Clegg, nom, awl 6
times), who au.taally take so active pat in she
'flair' of the Charity.
At shout six o'clock Lord Clifrard entered the
great hall of the Freemasons Tavern, accuinpatin
by several of floe Committer, and the Siewavils
this year ; his Lordship shortly after took the Chao.,
halving preciously stated that Lord ',motion, a 1..,
it had been expec!ed„ would have taken the Ci 1414.
Was prefetited horn doing so by intlispusif . 11.1.e.1
cloth being removed, " Non Nolois Donuts " w •
sung iii ',toy good style, after which the health of 0..,
present Most Gracious Majesty was given, and
drunk with three times three, and much .pilau e.
The health of the King, was accunopsutrd w
the expressi .. , that he alight 108. g eOlit intl. lip
reign happily over a unit. d and loyal vrople—
air, God state the King, followed by loud opplan....
The next toast was, " The health of the rest of
ih-
Royal Fsmily"—applsose, followed- by the Do.te
of York's Grand Alarch, mid Glorious
To this succeeded, " The Memory of his late R..) .1
Highness the Duke of Kent." which was drunk to
solemn silence, the Chairman having first ob-er wee,
that the toast which he was about to propose,
to do honour to the memory of iii it bit
1110616ot:1 and Noble Prince, who, on all m-
casions, evinced himself forward to est
Nish sod promote every charitable inatitutio..
After the memory of his deceased Royal 13,0 th.....
had been shrank in silent and respectful gratitud •
and was followed by a solemn dirge, the health
his Royal Highness the Doke of Sussex was pro.
posed by the Chairman in a short speech, ii.
lie noticed the awl claims which the Royal Disk-
had upon their gratitude. (lay Royal Higlitirs-,
observed had upon all occasions proved
both by his patronage, his presence, and his reuse
support, the real fneud of every charitable lost:-
t ution, the object of which was to relieve Misery
without distinction of sect or party. said to the As.
oociated Catholic Charities in particular, he 11...!
been of peculiar and important benetit.—fLoet
applause. )
The health of " His Royal Highness the Duke
of Sussex" was then drunk with three times three.
mud rapturous acclamation, which continued durit:g
several minutes.
The next toast was—

" The health of the Patron of the Associated Catholic
Charities, and of the Catholic Clergymen, who, by their pre.
settee and exertion., aided the besievuleut objects of the Chr-
rtties."—Drmik with great applause; which having subsid.

The Right Rev. Dr. POYNTE returned thank.
on behalf of himself and of the Clergymen *hope
health had been drunk.

" Success to the Charity" was next given, and
received with very great applause.
The children were then introduced to the pre-
sence of the company assembled, and in their pro-
cession round the room presented as pleasing a sigi.t
as any thing of the kind which we have for a long
time had the gratification to behold. They oer.+
divided into several parties of boys and girls, awl
grown up young men and women ; some of theta
had served their apprenticeships to useful trail,.
or callings, and every one of whom, by the? ilea:.
cleanly, and orderly appearance, bore the best pos,i-
ble evidence to the utilit♦ of the -excellent Corr.--
ties under whose banners they were marched round
the room. After they had made the circuit of the
middle table several times, one of the boys repeated
a very appropriate speech of grateful thanks fur
the benefits winch he enumerated as having been
conferred on him and the other children present by
the mean's of the Associated Charities.

CHARLES BUTLER" Esq. then very eloquently de-
tailed the zeal and kindness which the Charities
had experienced from the august and truly illus-
trious Nobleman, to whom they principally •wed
the success of this foundation. In noticing also the
benefits which they derived from the royal sanc-
tion of his late Majesty, he mentioned, that in the
year 1780, when the riots were at their highest
pitch of violence, his Majesty entered the house of
the grandfather of the present Lord Petty, and
dismissed his body,guards, saying, that there was
not any occasion for them in a house where he could
find nothing but harmony and love.—(applause.l—
then observed, that leis Majesty had left a wor-
thy successor to his benevolent feelings towards his
Catholic subjects, in his illustrious son the Duke
of Sussex. How often and how kindly he came
amongst them they were all well aware, supporting
by his eloquence and invigorating by his bounty
the objects of these charitable Institutions. His
present gracious Majesty likewise had on many cc-
casions evinced his kind feelings towards the Catho-
lics, and he would mention it as affording a strong
contrast to the feelings which existed respecting
them at the commencement of the present and of
- -

the last reign. that his Majesty had kindly rau•ed
the property which had been taken Iron the Catholics
in Hanover during the French usurpation there,
to be restored to them. He feared that be hot
already trespassed too much on their time, but he
wished to add, that as it had been butted on err
authority of the Hon. G. H. Brunet,. as Chair. •
mall of the Committee appointed to examine 11414
the state of the poor, that there "et r 110 less hen 900 ti
children in London who were cot t ely &mime of the
means of support and education there still remaiee
an ample tield to be cultivated by those who wished
to rescue these little unfortunates from misery sod
vice.—(Applause.J—The Learned Gentleman 11 a
proceeded to give an outline of the manner in which
the present charities are conducted, and observed,
that the children spent their tithe in a manner ,loci.
was useful to their employers and creditable to
themselves in this life as well as likely to render
Them hippy in thy next.—(Applause./
The health of Mr. Butler was then given, aid
druuk with great approbaiiiin.
' lit. Poynter next proposed tie health of Lord