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ing it, and the sulniequent introduction of it
into a Come of Justice, would eountet►ance per-
jury'—and that he then threw the paper non
the lire. lie did so, bet it is sort possible he
did this with a view to express any illegahic in
the proceeding. h would tee alsearel..-for three
were many others there acqtratitted with the facts,
and whose duty it was to keep the paper itself in
memoriam reL The Sheriff repeated the name
offer, so that he did not conceive it illegal—if the
first 'promise was illegal, se was the moped.
With respect to the initiatory questions on a
trial, the Noble Lord entered into is coosideroli of
point. of law. He justly 'toted that the Court
rst avks is there any malice agents( the occuseil ;
but he slid notiitate that the Court, supposing the
ofirmative, endeavoured to investigate Vee nature
of that malice, and whether it is such as might
dace the witness to injure the Prisoner by his testi-
mony. Ou the second quretion, as to instruetious
what to oar on die trial, the Court also would in-
quire into the partiettletr species of instructions given.
Yrecisely so on the third question. • Have you re-
ceived any reward, or promise of reward, to in-
duce you to give evidence ?' the Court would exa-
mine the nature of she reward. The Court never
considers all rewards, or promises of reward, as
disqualiticatione; for then um sodas triminis could
be eximained—it is settled beyond dispute that
a swims eriminis mty give evidence ; yet he re.
ciives a promise of reward, that of y free pardon.
The principle I contend for appear, from the autho-
rity of Barnes. p. 416. He states, • The law will
sanction private efforts to produce testimony, but
it does not render him altogether exceptiouable, nor
go so far as to entsibilate his testimony; a promise
of reward, if the witness afterwards speaks outoloes
nit disqualify him.' This is direct and positive
evidence regarding. the effect* of a promise
of reward—this will not induce a presumption
of perjury. if in initialihas he mates be has
received a reward. 'flits is not only dm law of
Scotlitsid, but the constitutional law of the country
Ou the trial of Lord Melville, certain quest•
were proposed to the twelve Judges relative to the
eiliniwitrility of Mr. Trotter's evidence. On sonic
of these the Judges disagreed, and a Bill was in
crusequence passed to introduce certainty en the
subject. One of the questions proposed was, whe-
ther a person con be examined as a witness on a
trial, in which himself will remain liable to debts in
cow of the conviction of the accused ? The Judges
were ttua►imously of opinion he could ; and Lord
who delivered their opinion. said he
was competent, because the temptation could not
be suppored to have the effect of swaying his
testimony, since he was bound by the laws of
morality to disclose the truth, the whole truth,
■nd nothing but she truth. The Noble Lord
slid much about tampering with witnesses—l
cru state, without fear of contradiction, that Mr.
Trotter was sent fur and examined by the managers
id that Iris! before he was put into the witness's
box. Understanding this to be the law of Scot-
land, and the country, 1 thought it my bounden
duty to protect the witness in the only efficacious
11.11 v dues a satins eriminis obtain a promise
of par !on ? that he may conic into Court free and
unbiassed. In amne countries. for instance Ireland,

it Iwo been found necessary to protect witnesses by
pulling. guard into their house. if members of an
extended conspiracy takeout oath to put to death any
rue geeing information or evidence against them, is it
not the duty of prosecutors to provide pootection for
•dces.es abroad, on the same principle as security
guru to them against violence at home? It has
hen objected that it was told Campbell, • that if
soind give evidence to please the Lord Advocate
he would neither be tried nor be a 'Autos.' But by
this was merely isiteuded, that whatever evidence he
aoidd *gin should be in a satisfactory manner.
From the beginning to the end of the deposition
there does not appear any intent to sway the wit-
ne-s. The indulgencies complained of have not
coAtied to the instance of Campbell." Here
the Learned Gentleman reed an extract from his
report, being part of an address made to the Court
by one of the individuals tried, after his trial,
and declaring that all the prisoners had received
every powlsle liberty and indulgence. He stated
that three letters had been written to hits front
Campbell fur money, one of them representing
Otet biter domestic distress, but without any effect.
The olij.ct of causing the Sheriff to examine
Campbell, was that the deposition might be lodged
in 'hr Crown-office, to give the secured every means
and opportunity of instituting an action or criminal
preyeeding, if there appeared any ground. As
for hauging on this testimony, it was an extreme
rase, such as never occurred. " 1 vubmit jot' the
Lemied Gentleman rearmed, " that the Noble
I.oeil has not mode out a Cale fur the production
of the record—that lie has mistaken the law—that
lie is isiterfering with the law of the country. Not
or e of these persons has been imprisoned under the
•uropertsion of the H:stwini Corpus, but ler the
emotion law of the country. They all have their
actions against rue if 1 did wrong, mid this pro-
ceeding notild clash with and obstruct their re-
medy. 1 slibulit it that the House ought to follow
rte pecetivait laid down iii 1794, when on a mo-
-61,41 fur the production of the record of the trial of
Paltrier anal Muir, the House resolved that the
record ..ue lit not to be granted."
Mr. J. P. GRANT—•' Sir, it is both my deity
and soutioution to appear before the House on this
occasion. I was present at the trial, and of C. nu-
" i for the accused. It is extremely painful, but
s•nittrative uel my to declare, that the circumstances
44 Campbell's testimony, form its struing a charge
against the Law Officers usever existed. I sin sorry
I.i he compelled to make such charges against
I;emlemen of great respectability—nosily of them
"1) own associates. I shall not go into statements
In:aiding the conspiracy, buts at present, confine
I:1. 'chide attention to this question only. 1 sill
roherile every thing that miry be demanded as to
die event and danger of this plot—all this does
"fit Weigh ii feather in the case. The Learned
Ceutleitmli has said, that my Noble Friend
h.,* Intel fered wails the law, become these
t"iii sere arrested and tried under the common
1"s. and because they arc entitled to actions for
1'16". 1, it any thing to Parliament what
ac-
lions crrtisitt individuals may have, in whom is
i:utturntted the safety of the country, the superin-
iesde're ..r its jurisprudence, and the wolching. the
4.atcliitog of the Law Officers of the Crown ?
It is • • us to s,r) that individuals may, if they

please, bring actions against those who have wroii4 si
them. L-t us look boo this eherge—it is t :
1. Tint the Law Officers of the Crown have lain-
penal with a iettneal-.-O. Thai knowing there was a
question, lie most answer in the negative before he
could be'exaSfiined, cad thst it he did answer,• so
he would be guilty of perjury, they yet twougld
him termini. 1 say t• the Learned Lord and his
coadjutors, that a record of this ',attire shouhl not
remain isticontradicted in this House. This:mead
Colombo, the deposition on oath ofa credible witneseto
This man has stated reefs, anti circutinialeces, which .
could not have escaped the maul of any man con-
fleeted with the traiwaction. file has given the
names of trarlies, who may deny his statement, if
it be false. And I ask of my Learned Foetid, the
Attortiey-General, whether, iu his experience. he
hiss ever met a case, where perjury might so clearly
be 'subleased, as in the present. if what Campbell
has advanced be unfounded ?—(Hear, hear.)—
Now in what situation it this House placed ?
Mouths and months hive elapsed since this man's
trial, and circumstances have been disclosed; which,
until this period. I thought no honourable mass
would have suffered to remain a single hour, with-
out contradiction.—( Hear, hear.)—The Learn-
ed Lord, who may be termed the Grand Jury
of Scollaud. might have prosecuted this indivi-
dual, and the Learned Lord could not possibly
have felt greater pleasure than I would feet, if he
had prosecuted this matt to conviction, and thus
rescoed his own character. and the character of tile
profession to which I have the honour of belonging,
from the stigma which this business attached to
them. —( Hear, hear.)—l fear I express myself with
too much warmth on this occasion. But let it not,
for a moment. be 'imposed. that 1 feel any thing
like personal spleen towards the Learned Lord, and
the other unfortunate Gentlemen who are intolicsit-
ed in this proceeding.—( 1 Icor. hear.)—l feel no
sentiment of that description. Is there utiy thing
in the Learned Lord's private life—or io his general
conduct. as a professional inati—that can provoke
pelsonal hostility! Is there any party victory to he
obtained in this case? Is there any thing whatever,
connected with what is termed party, visible in the
proceeding now adopted ?—(Hear, hear. hear.)—
Certainly there is not. I believe that those, in this
Howie, who have thought most on this subject,
look to it only as a question in which the welfare of
the country is involved—and, therefore, feel that
it ought to be brought forward. I shall now read
certain extrema from a copy of the record—or
rather from notes which have been published, of
all the proceedings that took place with respect to
Campbell—to the truth of which he has sworn.
I call oil the House le bear with rue, while Igo over
these depositions—and let every Gentleman. after
hearing them, lay his hand on his heart and say, whe-
ther such a case as this, placed on the solemn re-
cords of a Court of Justice. and sworn to by the in-
dividual who was called in as • witness, ought to IMPS
without notice and without animadversion P Let
every Gentleman. after he has heard the statement,
declare whether the tooth°, of it does not deserve to
be punished, if he has disseminated falsehood ? 1
will not enter at large into what took place, before
this man was sent to Edinburgh. I shall only
aal-
vert to that. to ',hew iu what sort of spirit the ge-
neral investigation was conducted—and how im-
portant it is. that this House, when the first Law
Officer of the Crown in Scotland is accused of
having o'erstepped the line of In. duty, should
spew to the minor Law Officers, by their decision,
that the Coostitu tion does not warrant proceeding% of
such a nature. What my Noble Friend says. is this—
Produce the record. Let the parties accused he
braid. If they have evidence to skew that they
have been uujuetly attacked, give them every fair
opportunity to bring it forward. Hot, as it is a case
in which they ought to be put on their defence, we
must take this luau's deposition to be true, until it
is proved to he fake. I shall now read some extracts
from it. %%lien Campbell was first taken tip by
the Sheriff of Lanarkshire he said, he dill not know
for what he was apprehended. The Sheriff in-
sisted that he did, and told him the best thing he
could do was to confess all he knew—for there were
six persons ready to swear against him. ' John,
said he, ' if you proceed in this way, and deny
what you know, you will do yourself much harm—
but. if you act in • different manner, you will
do yourself much good.'—(llear, hear. hear.)—
Campbell answered that he did not lee much harm
in the one course, nor much good in the other, and
he therefore declined. fur. Drummond, the Ad-
vocate-Depute, now came into the room, and stated
that the Procurator-Fiscal had tomnsissioned him
to declare, that lie would confer on the Deponent
any obligation lie chose, provided he would become
a witness. This Can.pbell positively swears to be
true. Soon afterwards the Procurator-Fiscal him-
self came into the room. NOII. i conceive, that
this otatement is enough to call on Mr. Drummond
to prove whether the Procurator-Fiscal had or had
nut given I such directions. In a few days
afterwards the winless was removed to Edinburgh.
While he was confined in the castle of Edinburgh,
Mr. Druninioscl route and informed him that an
iinlictineett had been found soloist M`Kinlay—atid
that hte (the winnow's) name was ar 11111 l got the list
of permits who were to give evidence. amt now
was the time to titter 11l i ll e whether he would he
a witness or not.—(hear, hoar.)—is this, I ask,
a question as to what information lie could give ?
Is this a question its to what lie meant to do?
Mr. Drummond. without his consent, puts him
into the list of witnesses, and telly hint his
name is there. ' Yuu are,' said he, • to lie ex-
amined as a wittwso--you are to be placed in the
box—and now Is your time'—to do what ? To say
whether or no coo Will come forward as a witness.
Campbell .:aid he doll not wish to be a *intern,—
if he were, he knew lie could not go back to
Glasgow—for Ise would not be *uttered to lire
there. Drummond said, that was sore—but lie
might live in soy other maiiiffacturing place.
He afterwards observed, that he had thought of
a plan that would answer perfectly well He
would write to bird Swliuontb to get I a si-
tuation in the Bache. He oould do so imme-
diately, if he pleased. This, it is to be observed,
was done when Campbell's name was placed on
the list of witnesses. lie must be a witness—
he cannot avoid bring placed in the box—but, us it
was. impossible to know what lie would say, when
he was placed there, these tempting offers were made
to him, to induce him to state circumstances that
would be pleasing to the Low Officers of the Croon.

I.nwever, refits:2'zi the ailitatitm. sisal
lie had been so peace-officer before; it was a troillilr-
some situation. and he had lost by it. Hut still
this pintecti he swore oast tarred to him—but hrs.
Otli•et was to go abroad. At this caniversation,
DI uantotond, sod no other Iverson, save the wittiest.;
WE% present—and lie slated, deft 1) 1 had
often been with him it) the C4'111... Mids.,. Octet ir-
cumstionces, no third person 11.1114 by, we must be
contain with Campbell's evidesice on this pond.
Dr snood afterwards asked, 4 Whit, liven, do
you afros:nod whit will you have Novr•
sill this were so fahrocatioso, it is to he presumed that
Campbell would let it drop as 41011 as po,siltle—
boat he again alludes to this very circumstance of
writing to Lord Sid ih in his neat colorer:onion
with Drum ttttt tark He slates, that lie asked of hint
whether lie bad written to Loral SOlOlOOlll, $4lOl lira
Drummond said, a I have not, because! you
refused the offer.' It this appears, that Cpsiop-
bell adheres to his original story. I tells it
a second time, which, if it were n fabrication.
lie would scarcely venture to do. When asked
what be wished to have, lie made no answer. Theis
collies the passage which the Learned Lord has
read, anal of which he has endeavoured to invoke so
much—a iiassage whirls appears to me to he the
most painful in the wbole prsoceeeliog. Mr. Ifinina-:
mood then said, that if he (Campbell) gave swill
Information as 00t11111 please the Lord Advocate, lie
would neither be tried himself nor c.alted opals tat
act 11'4 a witness. —j fear, —ll,l the iiii4inc-
tion is clearly a ,T.1.V11 and
giving inforination. Mr. Dtllloillood him video-
yours to make I a %t:to...ss. Bast, finding fist
do, is useless—he s.iy-, well, if you 41.. e such in-
foroodimi as we Mr , oar (...;11 ant na k. a witness of
you. WAS it 110 t OVA r, room that
they had been tomion fit
Mr. Drummond b t,ia, ho offering 110 inconsider-
able rewind—awl at. raid, with no. obscure hint of
the danger to which Csoipl.eil will be exi.o,cil, if
he does not give ilif....w.tioai.—(hear, hear.)-11e
tells him distinctly. iii.a are two benefits ishicii
pliability of co:oluct aid insure—you may pro-
cure a reward, anal you may escape danger.—
Campbell, in answer to this invitation. sacs • I
do not know what i'.foriontiosi you waist.' Drum-
mond then Misery. al, a I will give you a day or
two to consider of ie—anal lie asked, a Elo you
wish that I should come hack to you ?' witch
proves a strong desire. ois the part of Mr. Dlun't•
wood. to keep up a communication with Campbell,
fair the purpose of procuring information. I flat not
say, that Campbell'- testimony is sufficient, without
further comoderation, to convict Mr. Drummond ; but
the assertions are so strong, that 51r. Drummond,
as he is deeply connected with the case, ought not to
suffer them, iu justice to I self, to pass utocon-
trailicted.— (hear, hear.)—At length, Campbell
informed Nit. Druonsuolial that he was anxious to
go to Prussia. Nlr. Drummond told him the
menus of woof; thititer would be supplied to him,
if he would give information. Campbell theta
said. lie had ito cbjection to becoming a wit-
ness, provided his wile was taken into consider-
align. Mr. Drummond raj d, 4 Let us sit
down and understand each other ; for I should not
like to be mistaken at last.' The sending for the
wife, and the advancing a pound owe, . for that
purpose, were then spoken of. While they were
discoursing, the Solicitor-Grneral, the Procurator-
Fiscal, the Sheriff, the Sheriff-Stabstitoste, and u
clerk, came ii.. Air. Df1101011110: knit% asked
Campbell, a What here you got to say to this bust-
netts ?' the latter answered, • That unless a pass-
port for the Cnotioeut were p.oeuretl, and the
of going out of the country were granted, he
would not be a venom.' Here he does not say,
he could not give information. lie state; a I
esunot be a settaess on thus trial. on which you
have sablicenaed me, miles, I get a passport for
the Continent, and money to carry me thither.'
—Ca ttttt ot this be easily denied, if it be untrue ?
Was not the Clerk, who had taken down the con-
versation. to be found ? Was not the Procurator-
Fiscal of Edinburgh present ? Was not the She-
riff-Depute of Edinburgh, Sir %Valium Ray,
also present? All thew persona were witnesses of
the transaction, and could speak to the truth or
falsehood of the statement.—(hear, hear.)—Camp-
hell declared, that the soon anal aubstance of all the
conversatiou amounted to this—that he should re-
ceive the means of going to a foreign country,
and lie preferred Prussia. The House knows that
.Is. Gal, air ss. a week was. at that time. manu-
facture's' wages, anti goad encouragement was
held out to persons to go to Prussia. Camp-
bell selected that place, a here such encouraging
prospects presented themselves, and this circum-
stance, I conceive, tends to strengthen his general
statement. I will not go over what has already
been ended as having taken place, when this agree-
ment was committed to writing, Some time after-
ward* Campbell wrote to Drummond, analog that
lie was in need of a pair of shoes, and that his wife
wanted money. In consequence, he got a pair
of shoes from Mr. Sibbald, the gaoler, who
iliformed them, by direction of Mr. Drummond,
that he could not then have any money, but that
he should be supplied when the first trial was over.
—(hear, hear.)—ale says be wrote a second letter
to Mr. Dronunotol, with a gentle demand fur
11100PV• to which lie received the tonne answer—that
he could mot have any mousey then, but would be
presented with some after the first trial was over.—
(hear, hear.)—ln the name of Heaven ! can any
thing he more easy than to convict this man of
perjury, of lie told a series of febehoode ? lie states
circumstances connected with persons who might be
adduced its witnesses agaitist liim, no a trial fur per-
jury—and, in troth, lie appears
if lie
to
leave no point untouched, which, f lie were
guilty, would operate against himself. It seems
that the agreement was burned—bat Cannisbell
still contends that he had a right to rely on it. as it
was slot destroyed by him. His statement is, itt
some degree. 6011/e out by the Learned Lord him-
self, who admits that is paper was drawn ispe and
that a oilier was burned.--( hear, hoar.)—The
Learned I.nrsl also admits that the Sheriff ought to
take care of all duouniente—but he says.. that the
Sheriff had a right to burn this paper—Why ? Be-
cause at ass a paper that contained nothing which
might not have seen the light. I shall leave the
House to decide between the Learned Loid's gloss,
foul my statement of this transaction. It is for them
to consider whether the paper iti question did or did
not contain something that might have been very

i m:idrtaiit is the el tosidatiou of tine atiliject.—i:4eder,
hear.)--.C.rtipityll
,g-ter on, IN stele, that lie edit
kooks% basin the circolatitig binary, by iseller of Mr.
Driiaptiondl—and lie refer* to claw., in cupped of
Ins assertion. In fact, lie states every iiinig that
could, if he were telling iiiitrutlis, expose lion
tarot decidedly to a dimitiction. Nue:, as to
Lis life brink in danger, lie says. that this ap-
prehended'', was alto;-:her visiosary. Ile dial not
conceive Its. weir iii hunger. Hot, as Mr. Di wet-
in,m4l seemed to adhere to that eoiselltblON. Ile ail-
leaved I . to .10 *1). moil never altedmited to unde-
ceive him. dl,. Noble Friend, from taw lia.;,;ron;l4.
slated, that Ise dial not menu to accuse the Lea, ',a-a
Lord or his colleagnea with iieting improperly... Ter
subject of tiecusal.mi was this—lllat Mr. Hume '
13ruininoild. the ',reified Lord's Deputy, for
whom. in law, lie is limn I, held out to the witness
proinidies of reward for giving liiii testimony. Now
I must take the liberty to say, I ,differ in op.
from she 1.-urinal I..ird uc to the law of Sedulous!.
'rule Slieilif says, after what Nei been done, you
cetinot take the oath, and go into the .Jdary-but,
without col 1111 l smog iie,jurv—sad the Court di-
citled that such was the tine. The Learned Lord
immediately slated, ' I wall not rxiiinine this wit-
time' and lir withdraws him. This could have
been dime only ou nue of two grounds ; either on
account of the perjury lie had cummitted —or be-
rause lie could nut legally take the oath. Now that.
Learned Lord hal rekrred tun case no Burnet, II)
thew that witnesses may be protected and rewarded
fur a particular purpose. I beg Iroise to observe,
that book is not considered a book of authority—
neither is the ease to which the Learned Lord al-
ludes looked upon as bring properly decided, and
accurately reported. It was held by the Court
there, that, because n third party hail given s wit- i
(ICS." lalilletIli,;),:, it was 1141 proper that that third
party should deprive the Crown of its witness.— '
Dot, if the Learned Lord would state, as a lettyer,
that N matt may be re:monied ces a witness, whip has
received alit is called a good-deed for his evi-
dence, then I will answer him decidedly by the
opinion of live ethinent lawyers iii Edinburgh, which
has been handed to me. Their 'tames I aced not
mention here—but, if I did mention them, lie
would admit that they were perfectly **infector!.
They say 4 is person is disquidifiedl us a witness if
he is ndlibacid hy the party who htas prousist-d a re-
ward.' Tics as groult;lsd on the authority of Erskine.
The witnesx, iii the cosiiineitcement. is *skid,
whether lie has received any thing fur the evidence
he is about to give ? And, if lie answer in the affir-
mative, lie is disqualified. The case of Horne,
mentioned in Bernet, p. 416, is nut correctly re-
ported—end we do tint tiiip.k the hook itself a re-
frretice of authority."—[The Lord Advocate of
Scothind unit several other Members here called for
the names of those who bed given this (mien-m.1—
.'llle opinion," said Mr. Grant, " is signed by
Gen. Crinistuun, James Moncrierfe, J. A. Murray.
H. Colliorn, and Andrew Hutherford.—s(Cries rf
hew ! from both sides of the House )—The coNclu-
sum I
Come to is this—that those who placed the
vitioess in the box, knew that lie could not serve
them—or that, if lie could, it was only by men-
niitting wilful mid corrupt perjury.—(hear, hear.) -
I have turned the ',abject in my . d, Hod endea-
voured to final out by what mean* they can free
themselves from this itnputetimi, and I coined think
of any argument that can serve them. It is a di-
le 1111 l m out of which they cannot ;;et.—(/her, hear )
If a" answer to at occurs 10 any Gentleman oppo-
silo. I hope he will state it to the House. %Ile are
told that M•liidility could not be convicted without
the aid of this witiiess--atidl that the Learned Lord
abandoned the case, -when lie saw the turn the evi-
dence had taken. %Vliat turn had it taken ? IVhy
it was found that the person who was to give infor-
mation could not be ireeit ell a• a witness.—(hear.)
As to the question of this protection—this iiiriem-
siity—how for it was allowable fur a 'prosecutor to
grant it —the authorities are most decided. I shall
infer to Mr. Pullexfen anal Mr. Serjeant Maynard,
names known not only to prof;aisional men, but to
every person acquainted with the history of this
country. Two persons were indicted for teideid-
vouritig to tinhorn witnesses of the name of Dugdule,
who were counected with the plot of Titus Oates.
Polleicfrii, who was for the 13efesidants, said,
' ‘l'lletlier nay answer will do for your Lard-hipt,
or nor, I catmot tell—but the answer I would Hive
is this—that the witnesses fell into great dislike mid
danger—and, therefore, were obliged to hide from
those who were likely to injure them. Under (twee cir-
cumstancre, there was enough to iiidnee the l)efetid-
lints to give them money and protection. If I give
money to any man to swear a falsehood, or lie away
the truth, it is very bad ; hut, in Order to discover the
truth, I May give him protection and assistatice.'—
Mr. Serjeant Maynard, in answer to this, Paid,
• Then you base found out a better way than the
Devil himself could have suggested, to uphold
imbornatiiiii.'----(Al laugh.)----' Upon soy word,'
said time Chief Justice, • if thia were the way,
we should have all the witiiesses tampered
with—and the promise of a thousand pounds
would seldom fail to do much mischief."f his is
the first tittie I ever Inatil it publicly asserted, that
it wait alrovlabie to tleul with wattle-eget in the way
in which Campbell was dealt with; and, unless
Parliament ,state their feeling on the subject,
there is not a petty Magistrate in the country--
there is not a trafficker in law----rhere is not a petty- i
fogging ettotney—who will not think himielf josti-
tied is resorting to such prild7lices --(hear,ideddr.)--
I ion afraid I have detained the Horne too long—
, hut I hope the House will consider what I hare
said, as arising limn the most conscientibUsi fer E-
l- that the whole of tilia (*.lSt should be Minutely
examined. lf, feeling as I do on the subject, I bed
tint stated my sentimrists. I would have been guilty
of a gross w•glect of my pnblte duty—mull, if the
House do soft hike the subject tip, they will be'lic-
cesearies to the production of evils the Intuit
serious. Vegan' cull on those unfortunate Gen-
tlemeii, who are implicated in this• trainee-
thin, to stem/ forward and. dear themselves'.
This they• might to do, for they must feel with
me, that the security of public justice dependfs
on the honour and probity of witneasew, which
ought never to be tampered wit h.—(Grge, hear.)—
Much has been mid about the ready mimes* which
profeseiciaal tientlesneti lied to Campbell. Now
the. statement of Gets, to which I leave called the
attention of the House, snail which Campbell after. l
wants swore 113, was ealsaValt4l to.itit its.* "ref sage.
woos minter, in a r.'ll of tikoveo. If tlibt rear a

free accemito the. Witilo., vrt. Cert:tll,l3, Lad it. At
is consultat of pioftssimial oleo, the paper wm.
sa.olneed—and there was but °tie of than who Ire-
hetrd it could lie true.—(hear.)—With that
fetlitse, supposing that Campbell would nut be
..loge to support his statement in Court, we detcr.
illleiVit to tale. a preiiininory objection—and if that
were over-ruled, ne intended to have examined as
to tbe truth of lisp' matters cositoitted in the paper."
Sir A. Cot.gunoux declared that he never wits
iies.e4l eliargesi more completely ill-founded this,
whieli were this slight brought forward to
.in-
clace the ilott.e to Jigre.s t., the inotion.--ific:or.)- -
After site iiiiiiiissiciiis of the Learned Lord, tiatliiiy;
kid been that deserved the attention of the
flouse. The Learned Gentleman opposite, spoke
of unfortunate Gentlemen. Ile knew not ulna he
memo by so designating then,. Oise of those india
viduals, lie believed, was isot known to the Noble
Lord who cousinenced the debate—but lie was
kouwii to the L.,•risell Gentleman, cud he appealed
to Wm, whether lie did not hold him in high estima-
tion. His character was an pure and unsullied as his
e„itio, Were getat and distinguished. or-
cording to the story told by this witness, that
Oestllettsaii hail acted its the must improper manner.
There was internal evidence of the falsehood of
Campbell's deposition. In the commencement he
states, that he told Mr. Drumm/mod lie would be
in danger if he retitattod its this country-10-
wished !Pi go abroad. And yet, its the concluding.
part. lie makes Mr. Dr tttttt nond act most inconsist-
eistly, fur, instead of sending him abroad to a place
of softly, that Gentleman talked of getting him a
place in the Excise. Ile was sure there was no
Learited Gentleman who laid beets its the habit of
exu,nining evidence its a CI itlillittl Conn, that would
not at I.,ter perrelVe the falsehood of the story.—.
( I leur, hear.) —Tile st•itetnent was a complete mitt-
tore of truth and lit se'liootl. It displayed a scanty
reboil cif thee ingredients of troth, Mixed up with
an ovet flowing cells of falsehood. The Learned
(411(11.311in sheets proceeded to defend the law
laid dawn l.y the Laid Advocate, which, he was
conviiscrd, would hove tmi cb greater weight with
the lionse, than die opinion that hail beets given by
live of tbe eight Coup, el, who defended M'litsility.
could be pitied by this motion They
would have the deposition of Campbell, win, Its a
witoess, could not be belh veil, laid on their table—
moil a stigma would thus be cast on the Learned
Lord, as well as on several individuals who were not
Nlembris of the noose, and who were, therefore,
entitled to protection. _

Mr. W. *WYNN conceived that the present goes.
lion lay in H very natrote compass—mid aid but
render it necessary that he should follow those
Gentlemen who had already delivered their senti-
ments, into a dissertutioti on the law of Scot-
land. If an Addresa were called for, in order
to remove the Advocate-Depose (:one his office,
then, he conceited, all the Learned Lord bud
said would be much in his favour. lint this was is
mania fur inquiry—and, although he could see tea-
HOMO for nut ptarieg returnee on every thing
contained iu ti.e deposai ttttt yet he conceived the
pruitu•ittna not to he refused. There was nothing
extraordinary iu a witness at one time staling par-
' titular circumstances, and at a future period deny-
ing them. The stink for treason it. Lancashire
anti Cheshire, in 1643, formed a ease iu point.—
The inch. iJoalt were arrested on the oath of at per-
son homed 1110011.1111 t, when he woo called Ott to
give evidence in the %COMPS'S box, he directly con-
tradicted his former testimony. l'he Crown Law-
yers had, of course, nothing to do but to closa
up their briefs and coverlet to 1111 acquittal. Oa
the second day of Paililitnetie. itiee'i,sg, alter
this transaction, they seta Go all the witneeses—
they examined them day after day, and, at
letigth, came to this decisluit, that there were good
grounds for putting liana. persons on their irt!,!.--.
The Learned Lord appeared to have in his passe
sion u printed copy of the trial, which were stated
to ba the uncorrected proofs from the notes of the
short-hand writer; bat it was desirable shit all per-
sons should hate it similar copy : from the a stem
of the evidence of Cornish' 11, it *SS impos.ible to
have it perfectly investigatedditrina the course of
a debate. This man was 'epodes(' to have said,
that in case of giving his evidence he you'd not
reside in the country. and that ally maimfactuting
town in it wits as dangerous for him Hi Glasgow.—
This was eery intelligible, for a great emitter.,
must necessadly exist between the several
manufacturing districts. That be also declared
that a reward had beet, offered to.him, with the as-
*titmice of personal safety; and that upon this dr-
clatation of
however,lteCuur wtidt,isese
t%tiiti
lv.oc1;
quitted sire pnnei. Tiii.
different from the statement made by the L. tuned
Lord, and nothina could determine the point at
issue so satioractury ni the production of Sir Wni.
Ray's testimony. fie expressed his surprise that
any man, having a fair regard for his character, and
being desirous of avoiding the possibility of illiy
(attire miarepresenbitions, should hold coninium-
cation with a witneva, to receive his testimony, sith-
out having taken the ordinary precaution adopted
lay every Magistrate in England. of hiving a de; k
with Mtn to 'tote what might past. The case of
Muir and Palmer, he obierved, was essentially dig.
Mitt froth the present; for, while the proceeding%
of the Rouse, in that case, were directed strint4
the Court of Judreamre, the present Motion eon-
templated (ily am investigation into the canittct of
the servants of the Crown, vi Inch appeared to have
lweti disapproved be the Court of Law itself.--
The propriety of any interference on the part of
the 'Louie Was questa:melt by the Learned Lnrd.
because it might prevent the inetitiation of civic pro-
ceednigs by the inaared party ; such im obser-
vation, if allowed ni tiffs instance. must lie also
held valied in the case of .eveYv tither pistlic runt..
tionary. even the Mibisters of gtite and might ha
a bar even to a parltaitteittary impeitalnueut. lie
conceived that.. very sisaltient calk had ingest Made
out fur the int eeferettee of the House, and lie there-
fore should gti,,f iris ante in Weenie Of the inutioi,,
Lord Cestr.encidit exiiVesta:d his dissent Coat
the opinion' oil the .(rob. • &Metier who.poke halt.
and ttid. mit see obi Obit's& to justify the
its' inatittiting any IStaretealtugs against the Law
011ieett of the Crown its' Saittlaild. Ile, therefore,
trusted; that the tient* w 611141 ottt call for the re.
and, the prodtittion of afhich enitlif he Atli-tided
With tea uskful euno•cluiwitc. ..ligstestion
appear on the fare of the waned Mitt the lAra oTh.
ren of the Crown Were not' justilitat iti instituting

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