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plumed the nee esSitv for some amendment the yend.ruin ~1
the 'ewer (sestets. The Min. (tenth loan thca newel for a se.
beet Committee, to empire into the slate of Education in the
hictroprdis.
Mr. Vlifteortrstev 'perfectly agreed with the preposition. and
•thought that h good might to rteri%esi foot.' the charitable
at nations for the pi.rpose of edneation in the different parishes,
he thought might be available for every desired purpose,
Without assistance from Parliament. He hail a Bill to bring in
on the select.' iii a ft iv drys.
Mr. Alderni. n ATILISia agreed in the sentiments of the last
Speaker.
Tile Cominitt,.l, was then appointed.
Mr. Ettiorr presented a Petition from the English Catho•
res. It was Optician in most moderate sect's; repiptc,tititt only
that Parliament would et iit what might be deemed perfectly
sonsisient with the safety of the Protestant Church.
Mr. tin srrxw brought fur Ward the annual Irish Catholic
Question. and coecinded an eloquent speech by movie:, "That
the House should, earl in the next Sei.sion, take into its Pieri-
an% eMisideratioh the present state of the Laws a espectiug the
Catholics of Great Britain and. Ireland, with a view to the
adopt' nl'llllol lileßslitoes ;is should tend to tile general salts-
facti.oi of all (-hoses of his Alujesty's sohjects." . Lord Castle-
Tenet. supported the ion; but still in•isird on the necessity
of securities far the Catiodies ; and only Mr. l'eel
and Sir 6. 11111 opposed the motion ; which was, lIUMeTeI, re-
jected on a division of 172 to I &1.--Adjourned.
K'cnneso.ts, NI4N 22.
A petition was piesented from Westminster, signed by'
led•s tra lets. against the Bozaars. The District Surveyors'
nas lost on a division, by' 40 agarust 12.
Mr. NEWMAN moved for a Committee to he appointed to
onsider the petitious on the table on the subject of 'Tithes;
and to report to the house on. the expediency of enabling
•owners anti occupiers of Lind to make a commutation by pe-
cuniary meals'. •."
Mr. CtiIIINFN seconded the motion with great satisfaction.
lit considered the subject. of tythes as our which
scatted loud-
ly for inquiry; such was, he believed, the general feeling
of all persons
.at all .conuected with agriculture. - He had
heard it asserted, that if any change should take ploce in the
pal scat System or tythes, if anycimunititation systemm ere in-
troduced, the agrieulturist :would pay more...than lie did at
present. He was of opinion, nett would rrwlW •be the ease ;
but still, the gee neral feeling of the people would be consulted
, la the adoption ,of such a measure; atid he was persuaded, it
mould give universal satisfistrtion. •
. Mr. SMITH, 41/ Cambridge, and Mr. Russ, doubted the
.Affscacy of appointing !inch a Committee.
Mr. linaup said, this was a question Of immense,hoportance,
as it affected the morals and habits of •the people, through dis-
sensions with the clergy; but the subject was nut at present
brought forward 911 grounds sufficiently eouip. cliensi ye. Fer-
sietly oily question of this sort was considered by the clergy
au hostile to them. • Such feelings, however, lie was confident;
.hid not now exist in the country; and he lo lit sett theie was
'cry little oppressiou -when tythes 'were in the hoods ..f the
clergy. Still they were a kind of Meru; venient joint tenancy;
said any means of improvement weishl be advaniageons to.the
Interests of agricolture, to morals, and to the church establish-
me it itself. Commatatiou was a &city practice in enclosure
bills. A general nieresnee might he productive of greitt henvfits.
Mr. VA/MITA/Cr considered the subject as one.:ef the great!.,
est importance; arul one, from the varlets• of interest! it em-
braced, of the created difficulty. He aid not consider that
the time of the House, or of a Committee; could be better .ent.
liloy-ed than in the enquiry; but he was fearfid, If the Hon.
Gentleman's motion was adopted as it now stood, it would
ereate considerable alarm, and. do but little service. He
should, therefore, propose an amendment to the latter part of
the motion, which, when amended, would stand thus.—"'!that
she Curnmitteet lic.appeinted to tike into cot:intention the pe-
titions on the table, un the subject of tythes ; anti to repot t to
the House bow fur it might be expedis et to allow proprietors
of tvtlics to grant leases under new vegetations." •
Sir W. Scot't defended the Clergy, and Ca present system
of Tythes. c4crgy, be contended, omeiliqt their riots in a
seamier the most ,woderate ; yet such was Rains ltd nature. that
those who had to pay, wonirl always consider they paid too
much. He had no objection to adopting the I. ememeildatiom
of Isis Right Hoe. Friend,. and giving to the proprietors of
Tythes power to grant leases under 'doe uhd specific regula-
tions.
Lord CAPTLEREAG4II observed, if he could for an instant ima-
gine there wassony intention of invading the rights and property
of the Church, and of the possessors of tythes, lw should in-
stantly and strongly oppose it ; but if it WAS merely intended
to enquire hero-rights and privileges belorigjne, to certain indi-
viduals might be best exercised for their oan advantage and
. tor the advantage of the Public, then he should consider it as
a proper subject of Parliamentary enquiry.- If the enquiry of
the Committee...4as limited to the expediency or inespe-
. showy, the possiibility or impossibility, of allowingor empower-
. in;, the proprietors of tvtkes to grant leases, he would not op-
pose the appointment of such a Committee..
Mr. lIIIOOOIIASI wished it to be understood, that nothing
coule. he farther from the intention of himself and his Hun.
IlijMit in attempt to questien the right of the Clergy to
glieir.Tyllsos. The Church had a right to une-tenth of this
produce of the soil, as absolute. and inviolate as,the right of the
proprietor of the lead to the other nine-tenths. All that they
urged was, that some regulation should take place; and that
the Church should not claim one-tenth ()film capital laid out
'you thedand, as well as our-tenth of the produce. This laud
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Vern hell right by our ancestors: in the re.i,nt of Edward 111

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• --a time when no very free modes of thinkivg existed ;IA e-
yarded the rights of the Church—the Laity seiz.nl the Churches
•AltS of lands previously barren upon which c3pital was, for
tic first time then expended; and sheer. that time madder had
been exempted from tythe. With respect to the present mo-
tion, he felt a prejudice, supposing nothing was to /rise out of
3*. lie could not agree with his Might Hon. Friend (S;r W.
Seen 1, that the operation of the measure upon the agricultural
tyllies would lead to perpetual litigation among the ergymen
and their parishioners : on the contrary, he thought it would
tend to encourage the laving out of capital on land, which con-
sequently must benefit ifie Church. The more he considered
the subject, the more he wits convinced it was full time for the
Home to ioterfere, and settle the question, fur the benefit of
&I parties.
Mr. Pest expressed his hope that the views of the Committee
would he extended to tle^ cousiderationof the metissity of :Anil-
suutirg t; then in In:hod.
laird Nlit.Tos cot a dr-red any commutation of the okra:poem's
tftlies for land calculated to nrake the clergyman too unteLot.a
aided prooririur or a farmer. The amentlownt he thought
too confined in its nature: tor the fact was. that Parliament
were cm!' year in the habit of recognisiug the vine:plc of
Vowing: and a Committee 8.) ccytfin ed iu its u bout wools pri.,
ANS so new information whatrver.