The National Register.
London, England, 1821-06-25 00:00:00

The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again.
The other orders of the day were then read, and the
house adjourned.
TUESDAY, JUNE 19.
At four o'clock, there being only 14.mantbers present
(and 40 tieing required to nuke it house), the Speaker de-
clared the house to stand adjourned till to morrow.
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 20.
SCOTCH MALT BILL.—On the motion that the Scotch malt
bill be read a second time,
Mr. CALCRAEI' said, if he did not oppose this bill, it was
from the hope that the Sisittish members would support a
proposition for the repeal of the English malt tax next session.
SirJ. NI A ILIOR I BAN KS thought that there was no similarity
between the two cases; however, he was nut against any boon
being granted to the English maltster.
Bill read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday.
INDEPENDENCE OF PARLIAMENT.—Mr. BRIGHT pie-
scnted a petition from Bristol, praying for the rintoration of the
Constitution as established in 1685. It was of the utmost
importance to secure the independence of parliament; and he
was therefore glad that the house had ordered returns of plow-
men, pensioners, &c.
Mr. G. BENNETT said Ile should, early in the next session,
bring forward his motion to exclude placemen, &c.; that he
should continue it from year to year, till he had cleansed the house
of those who, according to the language of the constitution, held
" litery under the crown."
Mr. N. DA VIS observed, that there were few signatures
to the petition.
Mr, BRIGHT replied that this was true—hut he believed
that the majority of the people of Bristol, as well as thane
of England, sympathised in sentiment with the petitioner
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER moved that
the tobacco duties bill to committed pre forma; he did snit
wish to press the bill now.
Mr. CALVERT said he was against the principle of the
Bill—he should resist hs going into n committee, (The
" moulding" clause was particularly objectioriable.—The
bill was postponed for the present,
I aisu Bs rig J. NEWPORT complained of
the manlier in which the Irish hunk bill had been hurried
through the house, when very few members were present.
Mr. DENM AN spoke to the like elect, The lion. hart.
had a clause to propose ; he hoped a separate bill would be
proposed for the purpose. It nun monstrous that n director
should be exposed to disqualifications, if lie happened to be-
lieve in ininsubstant lotion.

The CHANCLLLOIL of the EXCHEQUER mid he had
not hurled; it Caine forward in the regular course of the
orders.

IMMOLATION OF FEMALES—Mr. F. BUXTON brought
forward his out' respectio4 the immolation of females.—
Me did not see why the negative encouragement should be
given to these sacrifices, Move many of the Hilitloostan go-
vernments directly opposed and; prohibi ed them. Their
laws said, a here the sacrifices a ere allowed, that the hums-
lations should be voluntary. But violence had beet' resorted
to a it h the view of pressing forward such immolation t and
lie therefore could ant see why the natives should out be
restrained, since their own laws in su many instances pro•
basked those sacrifices. He concluded with moving for
copies of extracts from despatches which relate to the burn-
ing of women.
Mr. B. BATHURST said he should not oppose the motion,
but of late yearstliese sad 'turnings hail considerably increased
number. If it should be found by the papers that our
interference was the cause of the increase complained of, he
trusted that the hon. member would rot press the subject on
parliament.
Mr. WILBERFOItCE observed, that the question was
of great importance. The lion. member then proceeded to
notice some cases of burning, particularly one where the
parties had tied the woman to the pile. Being asked why
they did so, it was replied, that otherwise she would run
away. That was proof of the " voluntary" matinee in
which the women came forward to submit to these sacri •
fices.—(liear, hear )
Mr. HUMS adverted to Governor Duncan% regula-
tions. They were in practice when lie (Mr. flume) was
at Itenares; but he questioned whether the case of a woman,
being " tied down," noticed by the member from Bramber,
had taken place within the company's territories.
Mr C kNN IN G much doubted whether our interference
by any positive measures would not be most injurious--
whether it would nut be much harm. There were many
things which, ue might introduce with effect, but to elMlCß-
soar to idtroduce them would he departin4 from a general
ii)stem which had been practised with su much success.—
Instruction, it was trite, would have its beneficial effects--
but superstition, let it be remembered, had never been sub-
dued by force.

Air. W. SAIIIII said a fe w words in support of the motion,
after which, the papers were (mitred.
Mr. T. F. BUXTON asked whether the government had
yet determined on a plan for elfecting a more frequent jail
deliver) in several of the counties in England.

The Marquis of LON DON DERRY replied, that it had
been Amid n. )et iwpnishle In decide on any general plan
as some of the cuuntiea uNetl ul jictioua on urcousit of the
expeller.

St ATE OF EUROPE.—tar. 1 I UTCIIINSON then bronAht
forw aid his long promised lion re•specting the state of
Europe. The noble lord had di:claimed all connecti DDDD w 011
the holy alliance, but he emoidered the nobtc lord au effec-
tive partner in tat se reprehensible:aid dangerous principles.
The approaching confusion threatened nothing less than a
total di.organivaion of society, mil, sa th • dangers were
nverted the conduct of the vuble lord and the government.
He concluded w nth moving, that the house, being the repre.
11"111/111,Ifb of a tree and enligliiem il people, Mid witnessed
with the greatest concern and alarin the events which have
lately taken place out tie Continent of Europe, and also the
open and insulting avowal of pretensions as novel as they
%tett- idn,,,,,ermis, roil which were in direct opposition In the
principles of our own revolution, and to the loth pesidriice
of other initionst—that an humble midi ess lie therefore pre-
wilted to Ins Alajesty, requesting him to use hie ibliiience amid
&whim ity to secure the minor states of Europe their undoubted
and till DOM never disputed, tight to choose their own form
of government ; and also to remonstrate wilt, lu, allo, on
the msaiiip of 'rowers berer hefiite claimed, which tiara.
duce Hew pi 'iodide. min the law of nations, in direct oppo-
sition to all (cornier practice and poet view, and w hi, li if
persevered in stud acted upon would not ooly petrol the
eataltitslinteol of till rational libel iy, but trod to reside r per-
pi tool despoil too of the Am's! 'clad.
Sir U. NILSON seconded the motion, awl afterwards
spoke in its pupport.
The blaiquis of LONDON DERR said Mat this subject
had alien bet ii before the lonise. Ilea twirl add soothing to
what lie lwd before stated t lie could only eider imam
a‘Allibt piut. at. The hum inembei's alurtus w sae without •

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foundation $ be towel see no rawest for suspecting the fleece. committee on the agricultural horse tax.—Tbe report So
rity of the courts of Litrope. 'Monday.
Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON replied. Sir J- NEWPORT called the :Menthe's, the how to a
After some ember discussion the house divided.—For stateiaeot that had appeared in several papers 'respecting
Mr. Ilutchinsuses motion, 28—Against, it 117—Majority the Manchester orange society, which had its sager and pass
against it, be. words to which the Duke of York was said to belong,
POOR BILL.—Mr. SCARLLTT moved the order of the • and which was contrary to the acts of 39th and 86th of
day for the further consideration of the report on the pour Gen. 111. Ile wished to know whether the facts were
relief bill. • correct.
Mr. CA LCRA FT said, he would not deny that n necessity The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied that the il-
existed fur some alteration on the subject of the pour laws, lust rious duke had consented to sutler his name to be placed
but being a friend to the principle of those laws, he was tie. as the honorary president, not cmeideriug it a political but
cesssrily a (mined to an uurestrieted stud compulsory key for merely u luyi.lllllll/CiSl1011; however, the moment it became
the maintenance of the poor. The first proposition of his . the matter of question and omservatiou, the Duke forwarded
learned bleed went to cut up this entirely, and to fix a max- a letter, begging to decline being any gauger considered the
imam, beyond which no levy should be raised for the relief president of this society. (Hear.)
of the pour, under any circumstances. Ills learned friend, Sir J. NEW PORT rein eased his approbation of what had
lin vi ever, 60011 abused that he felt doubtful of the propriety jest been communicated; lie had only to add that he hooped
of such a propositiou, and the principle of a MaXilblUlll was the law officers of the crown would forthwith proceed neatest
now entirely done away with. The second was, that no the remaining members the society, they being clearly
relief should he given to nay man able to work, and who offenders against the law.—(Hear, bear.)
should marry sifter the pissing of the bill. Irate proposition • A petition was presented from Norwich against the to-
were to he carried into effect, it must be attended with our bacco duties bill.—Read, and ordered to be printed.
or two alternatives—starvation or intestine commotion. Ile The evidence of the select committee on the Guadeloupe
was equally adverse to the third proposition of his learned claims, particularly Geo Desforneaux's claim, was laid before
friend. which went to abrogate the law of settlements. He the hous^.
would appeal to the house, whether any of the three propo- i Mr. P. GRENFELL begged to call the attention of the
Sii;11114 contained in the hill could possibly assume the shape house to this most extraordinary claim. It originated in
of law ie the existing state of society in this country. lie i 1793, when, however, we had possession of Guadeloupe
denied, that the i laws had the effect of increasing the only six weeks, and for 10 years nos one word of this claire
population to such nu extent as was asserted by the supporters j was heard. The claim was for upwards of 20,0001.
of the bill, lie trusted that is the next session of parliament I Mr. MA RR YATT added that he and aunther member
this subject would be treated in a more coinprelieusive man- had been acquainted with Guadeloupe for years, and till
ner titan was now pus...ibis., amid that it would again undergo HOW they lied never heard of this ilium. (tient., hear.) It
the ordeal of a committee, before any propositions were Raba most extraordinary claim. Papers ordered to lie of
made respecting it. the table.
Mr. BERN 4L objected to certain assertions in the pre- STATa OF SICII.Y.—Lord W. BENTINCK brought for-
amble, as 'mine of too general a nature. Ile likewise ob. ward his promised motion regarding Sicily. lie spoke
jected to the clause which disqualified those who married of that country's deep.rooted attachment to Great Baran,.
after a certain period from receiving parish relief, its mie When our intercourse with Sicily ceased, it was stip*.
calculated to act as it premium upon vice. Though it might hated that the Inhabitants should not be exposed to any
tend to diminish the number of children born iu wedlock, proceedings on account of political opinions t but lie Is-
there was nothing iu it to prevent the pared) being burdeued teemed to say that those stipulations had not been well
with bastards, observed. Now, however, when the Constitution of
Mr. F. LEWIS agreed in the great objects of the bill Naples was about to he established on a solid basis, be
before the house, but regretted that he could not support its thought it became this country to interfere in behalf of
provisions. Ile objected to tieurls all the parts of the hill I our ancient ally Sicily. (Hear, hear, heart ) His lord-
upon the table, but must especially to the change which it ship concluded with moving an address to the King, ex-
attempted to intioduce in the law of settlement, because the o pensive of the mortification) felt on learning the measures
effect of it would inevitably be to place paupers in a worse I adopted, calculated to abridge the liberties of the Siei-
situatiou. Ile did not think the subject had been fitly con- I lions—an abridgment that it was -feared would expose the
' sideied, since the true remedy was nut to be found so inuc I British name to the imputation of having countenanced
in new enactinenis and alterations, as in a strict •xamina- it; and praying his majesty to adopt measures, by repre-
lion of the law as it now stood, aid a declanition of what it l sentations, to procure the restoration of the Sicilians'
was meant to be by our ancestors, and what it ought to be rights.
in future. Thou some change ought to be made was wide. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought that Eng-
niable ; but the difficulty of dui mg to could not be appreci- land, under all the circumstances, had punned the best
toed without the must minute attention to the existing course that coald 'se pursued. As to the King of Naples
enactments, which drugged down what was above, without lie had not seen any thing in the conduct of that mouarcit
raising what was below; which, instead of relieving the that was calculated to oppress the Sicilians.
distresses of the pour, gradually seduced the rich to the same I Sir J. !MACKINTOSH strongly supported the motion.
level, and augmented iudellositely the great stock of public The house then divided. The numbers were for the
misery. motion aa, against it 69, majority against the motion SI.
Mr. COURTENAY rose to speak to the question, lint LAYBACII DECLARATION.-111r. S. WORTLEY next
Sir It. WILSON moved an atijourninent, as it would be brought forward hie promised motion, Of which he had
impossible to du adequate justice to the dilictissiou at that given notice, respecting the documents generally known
late hour of the night (near one o'clock.) I by the name of the " Laybacb Declaration." It was the
Mr. NOLAN seconded the motion of adjournnient. delsratiou issued by the sovereign's, who had assembled
Mr. SCARLETT said lie had no objection to the ad- at Laybach, on the termination of their labours for the
itturnment, it being both his wish and interest that the present. That document contained principles respecting
-question should be fully discussed, the slate of things in Eitiope, the rights of sovereigns,
The adjournment of the debate until to-morrow was die. of the most reprehensible character. They were at
then agreed tn. variance with the British Constitution; and if the doc-
Mr. ROBINSON moved the order of the Jay for the trines of the Laybach declaration were Admitted by the
committee on the corn average bill. law of Europe—if they were recognised as the law of
Mr. MABERLY complained of going into business of 1 nations, then would this country be in a state of outlawry.
thielcind at so late an hour. Ministers would nut make a He felt coufident that the noble lord must reprobate those
house yesterday because the motiou which stood first on principles, and that his lordship would omit no opporte-
the paper was unpalatable. pity of expensing such reprobation; but it was neve r.
Mr. F. PALMER spoke to the same effect. Olden to adopt some measnies to express the sense of
The house then went into the committee, and the report that house on the subject. He therefore concluded with
was ordered to be received on Friday. ' moving au address for the production of the paper in
Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for Monday next, question,
for the reduction of the expenditure of the military es- ! The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that the
tablisliment. hon. gentleman was not prepared to sound any proceed-
Mr. It MARTIN moved the third reading of the bill ing upon the papers he called for, butt merely wished that
for preventing cruelty to horses, • they should be laid on the table. There was in his opi.
Mr. ELLICE 'nosed as an amendment, that it be read nion no principle more clearly founded in parliamentary
a third time this day six months. wisdom than it was inexpedient to call for the production
Mr. MARTIN then consented to postpone it, and after of a public document, unless it tended to some practical
a few words from Mr. Wynn, the third reading was fixed result. He thought the house would best discharge its
for Alonday, duty by not calling for the production of those docu•
The other orders of the clay were then read, and the ¢ meats, and resting satisfied with the general statement of
house adjourned at half past uhe o'clock. principles which the government of this country had

..stry h made
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TUUlti.l3.ol. JUNE 21. at the time the declaration had been issued (ruin the Cum.
Mr. LUSHINGTON moved the second reading of the , Kress of Troppaii. lie did not scruple to declare his dis-
a '
ppiopriatiou act. approbation of the principles advocated in the ducemeuts
.Mr. CRLEV EY did not see how this bill could be pressed which had been brought tinder the notice of the house
forward, as the supplies had not berm gone threugh. , Fur certain slates to erect themselves into a tribunal, to
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (who had judge of the internal affairs of tethers, was to arrogate
just entered the house) merely a bolted the bill to proceed pro ill, iIIeIIISPIVCS a 'tosser which could only be assumed in
forma, leaving the blanks to be filied up in the comminer. definhce of the law of nation. and the principles of cone.
Bill tends second time, and ordered to be committed Uri soon sense.—(Hear, hear.) He, however, did not mesa
Wedesday next. to confound a just mid necessaiy revolution atilt that spas
Coesoutracen FUND.—Tots DIN ineans.—TheCHAN tit of claret') and taut subs ei.ion of all order which
CELLOR of tile EXCHEQUER moved that the cumuli. might be said to have found sanction even in that horse.
dated fund bill be committed. We had our !evolutions ; bat a e never admired them 48
ill:. P. GRES rt:I.I. said that such was the system on revoluthms. At es oluthei had always been looked upon
which our Miunces pirreeetted, that the dividends could Out as the greatest evil that could afflict the country. The
be paid, tittles, the bunk chme to sw.ke advances to the gu- noble marital concluded with ekm essi lig his hope, that
veinment oil the credit of the fund a few days previous to the house would out call for the production of these
the payment of the dividends Was that a cieditable eimtle papers, but rest saii•lied a. tilt the gentual declaration a
of proceeding ? Was it not, on the contra!), u bt.,iii on our principles made by the British goretionent iii January
system of finance. last. ( liea e•)
The CI IA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that Sir J. 31AL KINTOSH observed that the erg mils of
such was the mode of Paymem in the tOliStilithilell fuhtb, the noble lord would tend to cmitraci the privileges of the
that there always must he•deticiciieics ut the hate a Ilan ilk. house. The noble lord said, that it was contras yto the
pay mein of the dividends approached; mid thnt the best rule of their proceedings to ask for infos motion, sinless
plan that could be adopted, aas that now pursued, of making the ini miters asking ads prepat rd to 1 I some pros
re till.r arraugements with alie bank to be supplied aim circling upon the inhumation shell uhlained. This reit-
advances. sooting ads lint 0111) 111, cuisciidt.le atilt the prliell.'e of
Mr. RICARDO spoke of the dere, live character of this parlitinten., litii Milli 1•4111MIllit SVUSt. Tnese sou g;ti be
spiral. There !nigh' be a 'mimic in the motley Ih:ilk. t, many cast s it- whil li it avoid Ite 1111 l ...item It, keost what
as their hod heels ut tittles in the crenniercial world ; and cohi.e it would be neves...lly to take iiiitil the 111'01011411.M
what would he the situation of the Chancellor of Int' IA- %Ina to tare the house. flu sit I um mid tams, however,
her:iter, if the bank should refuse to make the requisiie atilt the gent sal tendency ••1 nit iihtbe Mires 01/Sl.l 6a.
advances. , iitte•. He tepee. il to liec the i 011.iivnileA11011 Wislell the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH I:QU El: replied, noble turd loot passed upon the yi incii.les unnamed iii
that there was no positive agreeineol on P tic I i subject; tie declarations of the sub I lelgll*. lie ti issued that the
!natty persons could be found who would be ready to make •111,1.111ellili vi. Ili.li the 'mole let J had or ed in parliee
them. i Mesa I‘oolll be made known to the whole of I.* 0 Ail pe —...
Bill conimilit.d.—lb•poot Ili) ‘111,111:1V. 1 (He Sir. J. Macintosh) was Ito admirer of ievulutione 48
Oil tile motor ')of mot') of Mr. CER 11 1,,s the It: use steal into a '
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