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widish did not exist before, to enteral, the mithetha ei Reform .
It was farther true, that if the motion were granted, it might
induce many to look at the question of Reform is a way that
they bad before viewed it. motion could be wily ad-
duced. If the elution were granted, however, he doubted not
that it would flatly serve the ultimate question of Referee
—(llene,)—and if the inane were refused, would not every
sums ask himself—Whet! are the House of COllllUOOb so afraid
of hash% their composition known, that they refuse eveu such
preliminary enquiry t—(Cheers.),
Mr. PEEL said, that the to gutsiest. of his eight hon. friend
bad not been weakened. If an argument were to be founded
on the small numbers, supposing the allegations were coeceded,
what more could be required t As to the precedent, there was
nous. What similar Committee had been required, respecting
Scotland?—(Kent.)--'file lumina would prejudice that dis •
cotillion of the Reform gumshoe which was about to take place.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, be was kept to precedent for Soot-
land '! Returns," not a Committee were required ; bat if the
Government would consent to Returns, he would abandon Isis
motion fur a Committee.—( Deo", hear.)
Mr. PEEL replied, thst when the Returns were moved for,
he should be prepared to express his opinion of it.
Mr. CREEVEY spoke ut favour of the motion, coatesdiag
that the House bad jest as much rise: to the Retorts as to the
Population Returns. Because the Minister *hose to eateses
his opinioo against it, the House were not to have the informs.
Lion; but would not that be as extraordinary reason for re.
fusing the motion I Because the Minister chose to say, he
would concede this information or that trot, were the Huese to
be contented without more specific information? Seth Samosa-
Sea would be most useful, and it was necessary, for now the
boroughs were regularly bought end sold is open day, and that
by peers. The philosophical inemba.--fis iongh)—:-for Beduin
(Mr. D. Gither9 had only the other day—he spoke from the
Papers—heeded over a borough of freemen to a noble par,
sad that peer west down to take possession of them as he
would of his e.tate.—(Dear earl huighter.)—He thought it
would not be creditable to the House to resist this modes.
Lord MILTON supported the motion, maintaietag that the
Retires ought to be accompanied with waste of the direct
miaow of the Boroughs.
The Gallery was tilt a cleared for a division—
A ves 99--Noes 128—Majerity against it $B.
The other orders of the day having bees disposed of, the
House adjourned.
FRIDAY, FES. 21.
Col. WHITT, for the County of Dublin, and three other
members, took the oaths and their seats.
Mr. Louglamts prorated the anal waste of the ladia
Dock Company.
The Camelia Commissioners' Accounts were presented.
The required Re t free the Fleet, Kisig's Reath, deo. of
pursues diseuarged (rem that taws for debt. Osdered to
lie os the table.
Thai being the last day for receiving petiticea for private
bills, a good many were presented.
A ism Writ was ordered fur Riegel*, is the them of I. R.
Cox, Esq. who bad accepted the Chats/. Hundreds' &tossed-
ship.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL. in preseatieg pathless, asked the
Chancellor of the Exchequer if be had say stormiest to a am-
mitts. of Enquiry, particularly into the dillicelties of the bap
trade ? Those severities were groat.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied.
he was amt prepared to sive an ef-bend answer—thee I. did
sot see the orroessity of such special investigatioe ; bet that the
best course would be to move fen ash a Committee, if it were
deemed neeessary.
Sir E. ENATCHRULL said, that if those relief were net
aliorda, however pada! to himself, he should feel it his dusty
to call the attention of the House to the subject. He then
prthealed severe petitions from hop growers, Sts. in Kent.
Mr. PRICE primates' the Hereford Polities;--it war mewed
by Mr. Chestiest which had bees earried—it was not that of
Mr. Cobtoth Mr. Charlton's willies load been supported by
many of the astoreary (needs of Miaisters ; end he felt, with
the petitiowers, that it was requisite so de smathiag fee the
relief of the consitry, and of agriculture in partialse. He
hod no hesitation in pronoueciag this to be the :patios of the
county.
The petition was reed at length.—Ordered to be piloted.
Lord MILTON presented a petition frees Skeilath rut the re.
o peal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
Lord FOLKSTON E.presented, muscat to Wiese, a petition
from a Mr. Thompson, which be considered ao important that
he should move for a Committee. The petitioner sad his father
bad bees wine merchants, and had realised coosiderable pro-
perty. In 1811 an estate was proaheaod in Hertfordshire to
the amount of 62,0001. paying down 5,0001. but the tide being
objected to, the business west into Chancery, where it twain-
ed till 1819, the weeder is the mean time receiving the rents.—
The decisive was favourable to the vender, bet the purchaser
had set then the mans to pay. He paid !Wrest, in all shoat
18,9001. and though he could ant get mere than 20,0001. for it,
be was called on to fulfil the purr:base. To do so would ruin
him, compelling the sate of estates, as the meant would be
72,0001.; end yet the ruin would met be the conseqoenee of any
tat of his own. The purchaser was not a rash speculator acts
cording to all be could learn, and whet remedy 000111 be afford-
ed be would not now state.—Petition ordered to be piloted.

The Hoes. went into a Committee of Supply.
Sir J. OSBORN moved the Navy Estimates. Us aboold
call for 25,000 instead of 21,000 men ; the nrcesaity for such
increase wets the additional "service is the West ladies, Medi-
terranean, tia lie moved the grant of SLOW tees fur the
Navy.
Mr. BROUGHAM dld-not rise to object to the vote, indeed
he was surprised that the vote was nut for a larger member of
seamen. He said thus mach on account of the alarming aspect
of Foreign affairs. He knew that they were not precluded
from moving an additional number of men, should circumstances
equire it; but he was fearful that Governments abroad might
inter that they were now positively naming the number for the
year.
Mr. CANNING expressed his acknowledgments for the
manner in whicit the levrned gentleman bed come forward. The
vote no more limited the stil•jcm, than it limited the capacity of
the country.—But he will sore that store (rolls him would not
Ire desired. Dtscuriion could nut dos more good thew it had
done. He felt assured of the resources of the country.
should eircummanees require them. especially oolong as public
credit was maiutained.
Resolution agreed to.—Report no Monday.
THE BUDGET.
The House went into a Committee of Wave an Means.
The CRANCELIOR of the EXCHEQUSU said le bad
voluntarily undertaken the office which be now.liltedt sad
spoke in high terms of the integrity and talent of hii prqde-
(tenor. He should have occasion for the indulgence of this
Committee, and doubtless he should have it. He should est-
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