The Express.
London, England, 1861-08-17 00:00:00

LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 17, 1861.

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were now so ably submitted to the department The
Mate io this country unhappily ignored in its educational
system the fact of the existence of a soul in a child. The
speaker quotml statistics, which showed that ore the 14
May, 1 SQ. there were 16,517 juvenile paupers in Ireland, of
which t 5 per eent. were Roman catholics. Yet, of the 90
teachers employed only 63, or 70 per cent., and of the school
mistresses, say 71 per cent. were Roman catholics.
Throughout the Munster counties they tonsil many
many a stray protestant child who was taught by Raman
catholic masters and mistresses ; and bow could it he said that
Nat child was brought up in the creed of its parents! If
possible, the protestant children were Ain worse off than
the Roman catholic,.

—The PaganEn' expressed his high opinion of the ability
et Mr Carpenter's essay, which he regarded as a valuable
roust/ of the sub,ject. lie had been anticipated by Pro-
fessor Hammitt' In welcoming Min Carpenter amongst
thee._

Sir B. LEIGHTON thought it would be a most unfortunate
thing for the association if any religious discussion
took place no any of the papers. He was not of the earn'
creed as Miss Carpenter, but nevertheless entirely
a
with her that children need not be met entirely to school,red
of that church of which he was a member.
Mr. J. Hatnierox said he agreed with what had been
said, that it was desirable in all their discussions to avoid
polemical differences, but he feared It would be impossible
to keep out the religions topic altogether, as Miss Car-
peeler had herself laid it down as • fundamental law that
the religious element should be an all-important consider..
tioo in the education of children. There was one part of
her able paper new to him—namely, that three hours mad
the twenty-four had been found &sufficient time for impart-
ing intellectual culture. If that were true, it appeared to
him *Olt was in the education of the teachers improve-
ment *ea required more than in that of the children, for
many teachers were so ill-trained that three or four times
that length of time was actually insisted on.
Rev. Mr. Downie, American missionary in Calcutta,
made some observations on the systems of educa-
tion carried out there, and remarked in eloquent terms
on education considered as • training for the
heart, and an intellectual and moral development, which he
regarded as most important, embracing as it did the gist of
all religion.
Miss CARPENTER, in reply, said Mr. Hsughtoe had
stated that the point in reference to three hours' application
was new to him. film believed it would be 'found sew to
many, and she, therefore. thought it right to explain that
in speaking of three hours' intellectual employment, she did
not refer to the higher classes of scholars, but to those who
were obliged to earn their bread by manual labour. It had
been proved clearly by investigations held into the matter
that there could not be more than three hours' thoroughly
good instruction given at the same time, and under no cir-
cumstances could more thus four hours be given.
Rev. Nsen firtrHENaos, M.A., Incumbent of Shirley,
near Birmingham, Educational Secretary of the Association,
and Secretary to the Educational Board for the Archdea-
crony of Coventry, read a paper on "The Education Com-
missioners' Plan for Rendering Assistance to the Schools of
the Independent Poor."
Professor Kavteauff disclaimed any desire of intro-
ducing sectarian discussion, but it was impossible to ignore
the religious question when dealing with the subject of
education. In supporting the denominational system he
I did not suppose for a moment that such • principle would
put • stop to proselytism. Why should they fear prose-
lytism, which was the necessary expression and result of
religious feeling!
Rev. A. M. Potuoce read a paper on the Educational
Position of the Established Church in Ireland. He
described the principles and operations of the Church Edu.
cation Society. Its income last year was over 45,0001.
The number of pupils on the rolls was 73,497, of whom
49,100 were members of the United Church of England and
Ireland; 14,269 were protestant dissenters, and 10,128
were Roman catholic& The society had in direct con-
DOXIIIII with it 1,569 schools. In consequence of its scrip-
tural principles, the society was denied state aid. He stetted
there were many objections to the denominational system,
and amerted that the mixed system was a &flute. A plan
for the settlement of the education difficulty bad been
He said the society held that the Bible should
a free book to all pupils.
Professor &warfarin baed tor y, for the information of
their English and Scotch frien& who were present,
that the Rev. Mr. Pollock might be considered as
the representative of the dissatisfied portion of the
protestant church, and though he (Professor Kavanagh)
was not the authorised organ of the Roman catholic
party, it might be mimed that he (Professor Kav•-
mash) was a representative of the dissatisfied Roman
catholic, on this important question. He totally denied
the principle of aspirate schools; what he advocated was
the denominational system, a system by which schools
would he termed Roman catholic or protestant, but without
prevention or obstruction to any child of a different religion
attending them, and he believed he expremed the opinions
of the heads of his church, to whom, of course, as a Roman
catholic, he was bound to defer in all matters that
clashed with his religious feelings. He desired to express
the dissatisfaction of the Roman catholic party in this
country with the walled national system, and his opinion
that a denominational system with separate grants was the
principle which would best satisfy the exigencies of the
cam) sod meet the wishes of both the great religious parties
in this country.
After • few words from Mr. HENRY LYNDSAY,
The Rev. ALEXANDER D'Ortser, of Corpus Christi Col-
lege, Cambridge, offered one or two remarks. In reference
to the public education of Soothiod, he observed that mixed
schools had been the practice there for the last 20
years, to his own knowledge. He instanced the case of
• school of seven hundred boys of different creeds, and
not a single element of religious diecussion or controversy
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Mr. Lessor, M.P., rejoiced in the temper which had
governed both sides of this discussion—(hear, hear)—but
as the discussion hail been carried on chiefly by clergy-
men, he thought it not unbecoming, as a layman,
to say a word on the question. (Hear, hear.) The
established church in Ireland had led the way in the
education of the people in the schools of the Kildare
Place Society, which gave religious instruction, without
going into the peculiar tenets of any church. As to the
preseat constitution of the National Board, it was nut
worth an observation, as ita continuance was a matter of
imp_ossibili_t/ in ita present constitution.
Mr. A. M. SULLIVAN denounced the national system as
leading to hypocrisy and deception, and gave instances from
his own observation of the way in which it worked. He
also adverted to the omission or mutilation of historical
study in national schools. He believed in the Church
Edeostion Society schools history was taught—(heir, hear)
—hut this important branch of education had to be omitted
in national schools. The children were never taught even
• chapter of Irish history. Religion was the surest aid,
support, and guide of education, and he believed the pro-
gress of Scotland was largely owing to the excellent system
aloluoatioa there.

Professor Gluons took exception to the statement that
by common consent the national system bad been pronounced
• failure.

Mr. Wiirrearog, M.P., said be would tell any Prime Mi-
nister that he might as well attempt to lift tit. Paul's
on the palm of his hand as to attempt to change the OM.
Yid iOll/1 of the people oo the subject of education. His
(Mr. Whitesitle'a) opinion was, that the system proposed by
the Bishop of Ossory was the right oue. (Hear.) He did
nut believe that the au.called national system could con-
tinue, and he thought the discussions on the subject must
tend to good results ; for though learned and illustrious
men might change their opinions, yet men not so learned
and illustrious might, by their firm adherence to the name
clear and consistent line of conduct, succeed, for consistency
and firmness must in the end prevail. (Applause.)
The Rev. Mr. FOLZT, Professor, T.C.D., said the nation
would never carry out the desires of the Roman catholic
party. He bed listened to the slavish opinions expressed
cm the part of the Roman catholic party, as well a.
to those by the proteetauts, both equally opposed
to the National Board. It was incumbent on every
protestant to use before he put an nod to a system which,
whatever its faults, was tending to the extirpation of many
prejudices, and the spread of enlightenment through the
country. What the Roman catholic party wanted was to
put the educations of the country in the power of the
Roman catholic bishops. The nation would never consent to
have that dime. Every freeman in the land would sued
up against it. It was out of the question. Well, Wee the
other side wanted a protestant education exclusively. hat
was also out of the question. Let protestant principles be
taught by private effort, bat let not protestants ask to
have the principle of the Church Education Society sup-
purted by the state.
The Rev. Mr. QUINN. of St. Laurence O'Toole's Semisery,
said Roman catholics did not wish to encroach in the slight-
est degree on what they considered the right of the govern-
ment to look after the money which it gave for national
purposes. They only wished the state to allow the Raman
catholics, in proportion to their numbers, grants for the
purposes of educating their children. There were four
millions and a half of Roman catholics, and the wishes of
those four millions and a half ought to be carried out. Nay
more, they must sad shall he carried out. (Hear, hear.`
He did not see why any minority should stand up
dictate to a majority. (Hear.) What right had any man to
my that Roman catholic laymen should not submit to their
clergy if they thought fit to do so! Let Roman catho-
lic. do what they pleased in this matter—it was their own
affair. (Hear.)
Considerable further discussion took place, and the pro-
ceedings of this section were adjourned

THIRD DEPARTMENT-Pt/NM
REFORMATORIES.

AND

The Right Hon. the Armaurst-Gessam. presided in this
section in the Court of Common Plea. There wee a large
anal attentive auditory throughout the sky.
The Rev. J. Hoare MONAHAN reed the fret paper ca
"Irish Protestant Reformatory &Imola," which we shell
psolubly publish is a future 'Mikis*.
X:. P. J. Musa•T wit read a paper on "Irish Raman