The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-03-07 00:00:00

kr. WILSON said the le
'4.esdaY afternoon, too latE

,ondon be

Lord ..-
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0. RUSSELL then rose to move certain resolutions
6 _•-e subject of education. The Noble Lord commenced
question, the
' referring to the difficulties attending the . _ a
so
Br lug of which had been attempted
but
.arOllha
Sir John Pakington,
he ,s In, and, last session- by Sir
by a Whitbread,
fact that the time was not far distant when a sat.is-
til'eZY solution would be arrived at.
had
bee., ew England States of America, and Switzerland,
Austria, Prussia,
~ 8
~s., necessful in dealing with t1,,,-4e41._110
,,,-4e41._110 thought that in En
wk.ce,eoMbined, they ough
.„_ nhe had !mentioned i
venPle. Re
eA..._a
.0 . proceeded tc
to"s: tt n in this country.
Were3' that the statement
:I,..etruthrully drawn
enrbel Lord, said that the e,...-
13!INv about• 000,000 of childr
2,,...een 14 and 15 years of a'-
v7Uer 0 were entered
were la attendance, they re further enquired into it li,
atate gave a c..

NATIONAL ED

e important question

land, w

*rom auth

1 young person

i number about

le return books

returns

mind that

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achooi or education.
--
tors) 2 Which had been inspected by ti,
eiththas found to be little more than 5
five and " the number of children in this country between
tko01; fifteen years old. There were, he thought, about
Ito teachers of the church at the 100 schools, who did
. ireco_
holt 'Ye more than £2B a year, and there were women
NI. 4 day schools who did not receive more than £2l a
teeeip that there were schoolmasters and schoolmistress': vieek.trig lls a week, and others not mord than 8s
Woulsi I,alaci it was not to, be expected that such personse
Would colt
to inculcate useful instruction. Th_
tout 41 Lee of council on education had done much good,
ilehoei:lee 839, there had been established 14 normal
aed ii and 839,
schoolmasters of the Church of England,
trainir: tinder schoolmistresses; there were also 35 or 36
to thi',:? schools, and he thought the public -expenditure
from I‘,..l3urPose was well applied. The noble lordquoted
children
Were t,'„-Lf_. Aloseley's report of 1854, to show that
Nvllieha4en trom schools at an earlier age than heretofore,
teqit ras nano
of the greatest obstacles to the imprcive-
he Lb 13" national education. In dealing with the question,
Ne '"ght t h
,---ey ought to lay down two great principles—
the hereiaae the education of the country complete, and.
hie, -tn. to maintain to encourage, and, as far as porn-
ysi„,,-..lnlProve that Whi-li was found good in the existing.
Of the
.In Switzerland, and in New England, one in 5
eensiudchildren received education, and he thought that,
Ku ering the position of this country, would be a fair
able up to adopt. He proposed to go on as far as pos-
iti linPotrt the foundation of the present system, and he
vice elo"-ed great advantage from the appointment of a
I/ resident of the Council' of Education sitting in the
eo"" I commoon..e He thought that the minutes of the
itriptittee of Council should be consolidated and revised,(l,i he proposed, therefore, in his first resolution, to
tt',, are that. in the opinion of that House, it was expedient
t, 'evise and consolidate those minutes. It was n,cessary
C„eXtend the means of inquiry into the state of education,
il(t1 he proposed, not to increase the number of inspectors,
,)„ the second resolution, which he would propose
' some futureto da7-p,oinwtaso, the effect that it
eighty sub-inspectors and
and and Wales into eighty educational dis-
third related to providing schools for
-....n_ and other schools, in pro-
.ablished Church schools.
',,ct t Int the inspectors
to form school dis-
- t ishes ; and the

Tallaciou

present

educated in

,rnment inspi

100,000, only one-

as
"exiedien
ti,";"ivide Engit
Ito`ets ; and th
13:.an Catholi
ntothei
to the
anti fourth resolution_
.ci
triet73-ins.pectors
+eonststing of totparishe!
r`eProvided that the sub-insp.
Ano,"lort on the available means i.
effe In Ruch districts. The sixth ►
,gfeei that it was expedient that the po
Aso arities should be extended, and that the funds now
cation la their possession should be applied to the edu-
lt a,VI, of the middle and lower classes. He had thought.
(‘e,riSable that where the inspectors reported that in
41 „to Darishes and districts the means of education were
,qesa;rient, the committee of privy Council, the
?ewer?ovv-4r, seßsions of such district, or parish,
.should have
levy a rate. the amount of which might be fixed
sev --h.laraent, and these principles were embodied in his
Inrinti-': and eighth. resolutions, The ninth related to the
„Is° ation of rules and arrangements for the schools.. H.e
the 811e0Posed that the Scriptures should 13e read daily in
join No's, but, if parents objected, the children need not
gvv_ that part of the instruction. He held. that
instruction
elld'e? of education could be complete.where instrudc
BYate.,_ at the age of nine and ten, and he ,propose
and
e
futeeTT
.thh at employers of children, between twelvea d
Yearly' "2:.°111.1 be required to produce certifico
exnenv.u, their attendance at sehors'-
Parent' of the instruction -
that s ;Or employer& The Earl of Ellesmere fiad adopted
.payth:Lt each child employed by him should
*tiaraweek for instruction, and the noble lord did not

ald he instructed
education of the
Con was to the

er of the trustees

see why this principle should ,not be generally applied.
The last resolution which he' had to submit was, that it
was expedient to encourage education by the establish•
went of libraries, the diminution of school fees, and by
other similar means. The cost of. this system of educa-
tion would be about £3,240,003 annually, and he urged
that this was small in comparison with the great object
which it was destined to accomplish. . _

Mr. HENLEY commented upon the scheme put forward
by the noble lord, which, in his opinion was too general, and
added that the great want of success in legislation on the
subject of education was attributed to the fact that the
plans suggested foi the purpose attempted too much at

Lord R. GROSVENOR generally approved of the plans,
ut thought that more compulsory powers were necessary
D induce parents to setid their children to school.
Mr. ADDERLEY thanked the noble lord for the proposi-
ions which he had made, to which be (Mr. Adderley)

was prepared to give his cordial adhesion.
Mr. E. DENISON
.agreed with the noble lord, who
introduced the question, that the way to commence a
system of improvement of national education, was to
revise and consolidate the minutes of the committee of
privy council. He would not discuss the resolutions on
that occasion, but he assured Lord John Rusiell that he
was ready to lend his assistance in the enterprise upon
which the noble lord had embarked.
Mr. GEORGE BUTT said he had had some experience of
the lamentable working of the present system of educa-
tion, and he had great pleasure in giving his support to
the principles laid down by the noble lord.
Hr. ROEBUCK remarked that the Noble Lord experienced
the same difficulties that stood in his (Mr. Roebuck's)
way, when he propounded "a system of education thirty
years ago, but he hoped the Noble Lord would meet with
much greater success than attended his previous proposi-
tions. The religious purpose of education was to make a
moral and intellectual man, and he argued that children
mictht hP mad

,eligiOt

spirit

testant, Unitarian,
did that scriptural

asurc which he

I the q

ie under the eategor

;t been

he would give them the earnest consideration that they
des?rved ; and it would he his desire to support the reso-
tions as far as it was id his power to do so, and any pro-
position to which he took exception, ho would endeavour
to amend without departing from the objects that the
noble lord had in view. With regard to the religious
oestion he believed that the feeling of the country was,

4 the noble lord. He thought that if a system
of education was to be provided for by a public rate, it
honld be secular, and he stated that resolutions had
at 170 meetings in 28 boroughs, to that effect.
i'he proposition of the noble lord, and the sentiments of
the hon. member for Droitwich approached very nearly
the secular system, as they would confine their religious
instruction to a mere mechanical teaching of the Scrip-
ture, from which any one who liked could withdraw. He
was willing to support the noble lord in such of his pro-
positions as were founded upon a firm basis, but he would
not be a party to supporting denominational schools, by a
public rate, the effect of which would be to make each
parish, the hot-bed of religious controversy. He sug-
gested that secular instruction should be given during the
week, and religious instruction on the Sunday, and
observed that this principle had been adopted in Man-
chester, and had been attended with the most perfect
success. _ _ _ _

n, and he therefore preferred the
de lord on this subject to a system

education.
could not agree with the propositions

1. Gosso7,
get forth 1

been passed

Mr. MXALL criticised Lord John Russell's scheme, and
recommended a system based upon Voluntary principles.
He held that the want of education was owing to the
people not being fully alive to its value, which was conse-
quent upon the schools not teaching the proper thing.
The people should be taught common things, not political
economy, which they. had no security against being
chanrzed according to the political principles of the

Sir S. NoRTHCOTE did not think that the noble lord held
out sufficient inducement for children neglected by their

- -
parents to join the schools.
Mr. BARNES expressed his thanks to the noble lord for
the atte ,tion he had given to the scheme of secular edu-
cation, th ugh he did not think that a case had been made
,gislative interference. He stated his opinion,
islation was considered desirable, the enactments

that if 1

should deal with those who did not now go to any school,
and should not apply, to those who were at present attend-

Mr. BIGGS S

that the state of education in this
csuntry was a disgrace, and he hoped that the noble lord
would be successful in passing a measure on the subject.
He ins an advocate for a national secular education, sup-
ported by a rate as in the United States, and he believed
that would be the plan that would be ultimately success-
ful.

Mr. ALcocs did ,not believe that so comprehensive a
measure as that proposed by Lord John Russell, would
He suggested that the capitation
5s to 10s per head upon

meet with success

money should be raised &mil

r certificated teachers, and that the sum
raised should be applied to the benefit of all schools in
the United Kingdom, without reference to population.

Mars un

Lord PALMERSTON remarked that the House must have
been much gratified by the speech of the noble lord, (Lord
J. Russell) and he assured him that he approved of the
course which he had adopted in bringing forward the
question in the form of resolutions. All agreed to as to
the desirablity of providing a system of national educa-
tion but all had failed in providing the means to
that end, and he only hoped that his noble friend would
meet with more success. It had been said that the peo-
ple of this country were not fully alive to the advantage,
of education; admitting that that was the case, he urged
that the best way to open their eyes on the subject, was
to teach common things, avoiding such subjects as politi-
h they could not understand. But he
ttention he had bestowed
would succeed in
konottrable

my, w

3rd for

y hoped that
which would 1
ous to the countr'c

:ADFIELD was of opinion that if the system were left
t would produce results of a most beneficial

After a few words from Mr. A. STAFFORD

Lord J. RUSSELL replied. In the course of his remarks
he said he considered lessons in the political economy of
every day life quite as useful as lessons in geography. If
it u-ere the opinion of the House that his resolutions
should be considered in a committee of the whole House,
he was willing to fix that committee for the 10th of April,
-"ithdraw his proposition.
-,cording!y withdrawn.
WORD UNIVERSITY COMMISsION.

The motion w

Mr. HEYWOOD moved an address to the Crown, praying
her Majesty to withhold her approbation from the regu-
tions and ordinances recently sanctioned by the Oxford
Commissioners, and laid before Parliament, tor the amend-
ment of the statutes of Oxford, such regulations and ordi-
nances being in many points inconsistent with the spirit of
the University Act of 1845, which was intended to
improve the discipline and studies, and the government
of -the Colleges at Oxford, to ensure that Headships,
Fellowships, and other emoluments should be conferred
according to personal merits and fitness, and to remove
compulsory religious tests from the commencement and
the termination of the undergraduate degrees of Oxford.

Sir J. FAKINGION moved siamendment to leave out all
after the words "approbation" and to insert the words
"So much of the regulations and ordinances recently
sanctioned by the Oxford commissioners, and laid before
Parliament, as relates to the qualification of candidates for
fellowships and scholarships.'
Sir G. GREY opposed the motion and the amendment.
The discussion was continued at some length by Sir W.
HEATIFICOTE, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Mr.
HENLEY, Mr. R. PALMER, Mr. C. FORTESCUE, and Mr.
GLADSToNE.

Uttimately the amendment and motion were withdrawn

Mr. .I.ILAC.gCBURN brought in a bill to extend the provi-
visions of the Railway and Canal Traffic Act, 1854.
The Judgments Execution, &c. Bill was postponed to
the 31st March.

The Out-Pensioners,, Greenwich and Chelsea, Bill went
through committee.

The Consolidated Fund, £26,000,000 went through

_
committee.
The Huse adjourned at twenty minutes past one o'clock

VISIT OF HER MAJESTY TO THE COVENT-

GARDEN THEATRE

Yesterday afternoon, about half-pa.t three o'clock, her

Majesty, atte

, by four outriders, drcve up in a private
carriage to witness the utter destruction which has
befallen this magnificent theatre. Her Majesty alighted
from her carriage and entered the ruins. After having
witnessed the fearful havoc caused by the dreadful confla-
gration, she expressed her regret for the great loss the
musical and dramatic world had sustained by this awful
calamity. The Quell remained for about twenty minutes,
and afterwards returned to Buckingham Palace.

St. Petersburg letters again speak of the retire-
ment of Count Nesselrode. They now say•that it
is definitively decided on, and add that amongst the
persons who aro spoke of as his successor is
Baron Brunow.

THE BOROUGH OF NEW Ross. us as J t the House of
Commons rose on Tuesday night, a wne
writ was ordered on
the motion of Mr. Hayter, for the election of
the borough of New Ross, in the room of Charles member for
Gavan
Duffy, Etg., who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds
MACAULAY BURNT IN EFFIGY.—The Highlanders of
Glenmore, in Inverness-shire, feeling aggrieved and indig-
at the slanderous charges brought by Mr. Macaulay
tessors,in his last volume of the " History
assembled together, and headed by a piper
March," proceeded to the Black
and there burnt in effigy the

against their pred(
of England,"
niacin°. tt

sof Fxecration.

.As the effigy was consuming. Macaulay,
Lae Highlands, resided for a considerable time at
Glenmore Huuse.—x B. Dacv mad.