The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-18 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 18, 1860.

Ramis ; and sow as to ear relations with Fusee. Aid here
be must do the noble lord the jetties to say, that he had said
nothing that could la the least degree Wider that aloud from
passing away which had for • mount, gad few a moment
truly. sad purely from an accident's! 'traumatise', have
overshadoolna the rebates' between Um two comittiou.
When Ma offer was made by Frustrate mediate Ii the Ore. k
4109.1‘311. It we. aceeprad la the comrades that It was fairly
aid frackly tendered, for the purpose of Waterlog Julia
Ise as is the didereate with the Greek gesernagat, without
ear haeigg moans to fares U. ores weal to Onus es
that andisstanding, bat atter ausereee delays it was found
that so rush followed, it was likely to fellow, his media-
tion. tinder these eiressetuese M. de Lhar was autho-
rised by his gouramat to aegettate with the British go-
rarawasat • ociaveutioa, the seatiluies of which was •
atallieleat proof of the slareerhy aid the spirit Is whisk the
miter was undertakes by the British gusestseut.aad friths's.
desire to arrive at a eatiafactery eandement. It was nest
aarartanatei se be cousidend it, that that coareados had
sot reached Atheists before the merges of the ieieda
there bad arrived at that prattles whisk lathiest M. Ores
to withdraw biateelf shortage from kis diameter of media.
tor, and until Mr. Wyse atter waiting foe a esagidegabls
period I. the hops that that gust the expeetatiou of shish
was kaki oat to kiss by M. One, sanely, that he should
have soughing else to propose, hut whisk he serer did
psalmist., should mem, and Mr. Wyss found himself en.-
polled is following est his taraneetioas t• muse that state
sot of hostility. bet al pressure against the Cheek gum-
miest which he had eranasteed bat suspended. H. said he
felted it seaman to resause, far Whisg could be more
ghee to those who had read the papers, huts that the
sadierusadiag set MI? of Alberts, but the undemanding
betwee• de Lauri, Lead Payment's, sad Ostend Labia*,
was, that if the differences batsmen 11. Oros aad Mr. Wyse
Await tun upon anything of principle, reprisals should re.
emagassos. And tha aoble lord had usquesioaable asi-
des(*) ea this subject. he 111. de lams wrote letters to the
Pruett Mahal, of Fusin Affairs, uteri than ono, is one

of which, whit& IN ten Weld la his. hand, it was diStinely
stated that the understanding on whin the negotiatioes
pretended was, that if there should be any difference of
prised* between M. Gras and Mr. Wyse, reprisals should
FINIORMOSCII. If any difference should wise on the question
of amount, then said M. de Limy* it should be referred back
to the governments, sad reprisals 'Weld sot be reneged,
bat if the difference should be upon principles, reprisals
should enormity follow. Mr. Wyse, in the vindication
womb be thospht it necessary to give of hie
ours conduct, and which also would be found in
the papers es the table, stated tk at he had
no cognisance that any convention would be likely to he
°melodist in London. Nor was it likely that he could have
bad say such knowledge, sad though the French minister,
Owned Latino, had thought it neeessary to r ad a letter in
tM Assembly which had occasion d some dissatisfaction, that
mistake himself now admitted that Mr. Wyse could have
had no knowledge of soy *itch convention, and fully acquit-
ted him in the matter. But the noble lord had raid, why
not when the invention was coneluded in London, at once
have adopted it, instead and ie spite of any treaty concluded
by Mr. Wyse at Athens. H. (Lord Laziedowne) had no
anion in styles that it would have been most desirable
if that could have been done, but there was this difficulty.
The contention which had been *greed to at Athens hsd
ben already pertly executed. and besides, it contained
• particular clause with respect to certain new claim.,
which were not reUrred to in the treaty of London.
And if that treaty without explanation or condition, or c .m
munication between the poetise had been altogether abro-
gated, there would have been an admission in that abrogis
ties of the expediency cr justice of conceding most
unfounded claims, Witch under no circumstances would it
have been possible for this country to have admitted; but it
was the desire of both aides to come back to the terms of the
Convention of Liedon, so far as they could be made the
basis of &settlement with the Greek government. It was
out of these e rcumstanees that the difference which had
riven rise to the communications which had taken place
dunng the last few weeks arose, and which bad not yet been
brought to • perfect conclusion, but which be bad the satis-
faction ef stating was so nearly brought to a satisfactory con-
clusion that many days, perhaps many hours would net
elapse before such a conclusion "scald be come to—(bear,
hear)--and the good understanding and confidence between
this country ant France, whatever ratty might be in
power, be perfectly restored. Whatever might be the cha-
racter of the French government, there was no character it
weld mistime in which it would not be the interest of this

gummy to msiastain the most tete•My telstious with it.
(Lead cheers) He knew of nothing—he foresaw whhieg—
nes hoped even there was nothing in the discussion of that
evening, that could tend in the le .st to interpose an obstacle
te the restoration and perfect resumption of those relations of
amity between the two countries which was so essential to
the peace and happiness of the while world. (Chore)
He trusted that the delay which hid Wien piece in the final
settlement of the question between Greece and this country
had not been iejurions to the best interests of the former.
He could mute the colds lord that the statements
of the extent of the pressure which had been placed upon
Greek esmineree had been more exaggerated than Puitieo's
claims, and he would take the opportunity before resat down
of adding, that far from there being any intention to press
hardly on the Greek people and the Greek government, it
was for the express purpose of avoidieg such pressure that,
ooestrery to the ususl custom pursued en such cam, and pur-
sued in the instances to which he had alluded, of employ log
force at ones, • warming was Os, a to the Greek gevern-
meet before any hostile proceedings were edopted. Aed
trough an embargo was in the sad laid upon Greek em-
mere', it was unlined to the enforcing of the indemnity de-
mended, and was to stop the moment that indemnity was
obtained. He believed that no serious injury had resulted to
Greek commerce from that embargo, and up to the last
moment, the most pc rf, et bunion. existed between Admiral
Parker and the Greek people and government, and between
our force and the persons engaged in commerce
in these seas, and bet for the proceedings taken
In the Greek chamber, there would have been a more speedy
settlement of the questions at issue. He ceasidered
this was one of those essea in which the government
of this country had been fully juetilled in haring re-
; course to those proceedings (unfortunately midi .g in the
employment of force) by which they had attempted to obtain
I justice for the wrongs of their subjects; and in his
I conscience he believed, that not one of those wrones,
disputed in amount as they were, but undisputed
is principle, would have been r. &mei, if the
government had not sent out Admiral Pereer and Ills fleet
to enforce such redress. (Cheers.) Under these circum-
stances, he appealed to the noels lord and their lordsbip.
whether they would adopt a resolution which be spin said
was an ienoeation of the law of pinkies. I: that resolution
were adopted in the terms proposed, it would go far to
limit the commerce and the industry of this country in
future times, and in so ter as • resolution in the House of
Lords, U111•CCOLON01114 and unsupported by that of any
other assembly in Great Britain, could clangs the law, it
would restrain the power, and cripple the TlVOL•feti and the
energies of the people, and of individuals residing for the
purposes of commerce, and for toe interests el this country
in foreign states, and fetter the future energies of the
British government in affording protection to its subjects.
He emildently called upon their lordships to reject the re*,
lotion. (Cheers.)
The Earl of ABERDEEN said nobody could believe
that the settlement of toes. Greek claims was the
whole aim and object of the proceeding. Unfor-
tunately their lordships, who knew • lade more of
the reckless mode in which the foreign affsin of
Ole country were at this moment conducted, nad but
little difficulty in discovering the motives ; and they saw in
this nighty demonstration nothing more than the exorcise of
certain feelings of hostility and the unnecersary display of
overwhelming forge. But even they might have expected
that other eamegoeness might have ensued from these ope-
rations, for when a hostile demonstration of this
kind was made many people in Athens and out
of it also must have looked forward to the
total destruction of the Greek government. lie
well recollected, when he had to deal with these claim.,
le had been over and over again assured by the party which
was celled the English party in Greece, that such a demon-
stration would inevitably overthrow he ministry and pos-
sibly the present form of government altogether. Therefore
Wen war reason for apprehension, if even a state of things
was any source of apprehension to them. They might gather
from the papers before them the animus and the spirit in
which these proceedings had originated; and he observed
amongst them one illustration, which Wowed so plainly the
feeling which existed on the part of the government, and
which was also so characteristic of that double dealing wields
he was sorry to see prevailing so largely in the policy mil
conduct of that government io regard to its foreign nicks',
that he would refer to it. Lest strums, their lordship
would remember, there was • revolt ii the blend of Cepha-
lonia, in the Pane of which it appeued that Sir H. Ward,
in a speech addressed to the senate, stated that the Greek
government had been stirring up disturbances in that Wend.
On the 9th of October Sir H. Ward made the speech in
which be said the Greek government were privy to the
troubles in Cephalonia. No time was lost in protesting and
remonstra.ing against that accusation, and in the November
following Sir IL Ward expressed in the public papers his
great regret that hie speech should have been so nateuneer-
stood, for that he
the kind.
1 Rail GREY—Hier, hear.
; The Earl of ABERDEBN—The noble lord cheered that
' denial, sad he wae glad it was so; hut what did the Hem-
' eery of State say on the 'object ? M. De Mays, is giving
an account of what occurred at an interview he had with Lord
Palmerston, stated that that noble lord said that the Ene.iih
1
government had other complaints against tee Hellenic go-
vernment • . for example, that, in spited contrary assurances,
it was certain that that government had been privy to the
' disturbances which had broken out in the lonian Islands.
Now, which of the two functionaries spoke the truth
be (Lord Aberdeen) knew not ; but this he knew, that the
difference between them on a matter of this kind was not
creditable to the character of this country. (Opposition
enters.) His noble friend had so fully entered into all the
details, one after the other, which had been put forward by
the minister, had so completely exposed the doubtful cha-
racter of same, and the exaggerated nature of others, that it
was not neeeseary for him hi occupy their time by tolloeing
him. But he must offer one or two observations
is regard to some of them. First, with regard
ses what the noble marquis had said that the claim of Mr.
Finlay arcs. Fie,ioo/1 to the Greek constitution and while an
arbitrary government existed. When he (Lard Aberdeen)
was Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Mr. Finlay preferred his
@kiwi to him ; but then what he demanded was the (rod
offices of the government. No doubt Mr. Finlay had • just
and tquiteole claim for compensation, and consequently •
claim for the interposition of the good offices 'of
the government, but he
reprisals s pinet the Greek government, and he
bad any ground for dein, so. (agar, hear.)
TM Greek government never denied Met he had an equi-
table Maim to compensation, and the only caution wee as to

the samensa. Many others wife la the SIM SUSllliiol—Mf.
HUI, the American isheiftery, ;:esesemd eN half the seine
laid for which Mr. Fishy shifted. H. was satisfied with
the oiler made to him end was settled with, but Mr. Finlay
esatimted to nese hie shiny sad up to the Ism that claim
was never refused er dialed, the only &Sault, Wog the
mount to whisth he was entitled. The question bed, it sp-
-1~4 been referred to arbitration, though the feet
h-ad. so bean ft vasaleate d to the toum, end
.

t►Nr terdship, wen left to believe that the deka was
repudiated altogether, that it was a cam of denial of Jostler,
sad that up to the time when Mr. Wye, made his demand,
It had SIMI, been admitted ►y the finch 8o
is the ems of Mr. Paelleo. Its (Lord ) did not
deny that he kid a lust dais for cos he the Woes
he had sustained, bet hie ease was d N hem Mr. Fin-
lay's. Me had no right to op* to his asset to interfere
situ he had endeavoured to -mrtes hie skim by the oral•
nary mum of kw. This ha took to he wiqmestionably the
tree prissiple is such mitten. This was a ease In *bleb
seetain donnas had been made, which net having bees cos-
gikai wall trop teale had emanitneed. Now, what was the
Melee Imprimis t It was a state of war ; it was de facto
war. (Rear, hear.) In ad( rto justify the issuing of re-
oriole for uaseti►fled claims, every mesas must
haws been exhausted to obtain judos by the wadi.
easy tribunals of the kentay and by due atone of law.
Sven it all their proceedings WOMB as dear and curtain as
away of them were doubtful, still he (Lord Aber
dean) said that the mode of procestfine was
rash and larjnatillable. The noble marquis had
dwelt mesh, had taken some time in atomise
that all powers had a right to redress their iderke without
the cosiest of ether stake, and ea that question were to
pap for themeelvee. No doubt that under °slivery air
conntances we should not ask the cossent of Russia or Franco
before we redressed our injuries sad teased npriials, or even
before s declaration of war. But Gramm was in s different

sildattonUrsie;;l;di'rene• end Bangs from other emus-
tries, for the three powers had Greeted that state, and had
guaranteed her territory as well as her independeuce, and
therefore a blow struck at her by one of those powers might
straw at her very existenem es well as her independenee.
Suppose that we had a quarrel with Belgium (no doubt
an improbable contingency, but considering the ingenuity of
the government in creating quarrels not beyond the bounds
of passibility—(hear, beer)—her territory sad lode-
peadenee having been guaranteed by Are powers would we
send a squadron late the Scheldt and bloekde Antwerp
without ementermation with those other powers? Un-
doubtedly not. But yet you tried an experiment with Greece
which you would not venture to try with a country situamd
like B igium. It wu so extraordinary that this was not felt
that he could harlv accouht for the feet that no sue& cow

ntheication lad Nit sok te the other powers, it was et
obvious that be could hardly believe it until he found
that Id. Dimity* de Linty., in h s first letter, for when
the news reached France it created so gnat a situation that
Drouya de Lhuys was sent to England for explanation.
and on the first dal of his arrival in London (the sth Feb )
wrote that letter in which he said " that he presented to
Lord Palmerston • nosy accurate picture of the unfavourable
impression which the news from Athens had made in France,
on the President, on the council, on the diplomatic corps, on
the whole of the Assembly, and on public *piano. He
pointed out how painful it was to them that such sudden and
violent resolutions should be taken without their knowledge
against an allied nation; how very extraordinary were the
means of execution ; and how strange and contredie
tory the new position would be which thole
event, would create in the East." Lord Palutro-
ston very much diminished the importance of what
had passed, and replied "that the affair was so simple, and
of such little come miens., that he had not thought it ones
sary to spak on the swine to the French government."
He (Lord Aberdeen) could hardly believe that, knowieg the
relations existing between Freen and Russia and Ore-en
that we had not taken the trouble to say what we were about
to do; it was almost incredible that such was the case
reprinted both those powers. Even supposing thee the
claims in question existed strictly between Greece and Eng-
laud (tor it was said that France and Russia had nothing to
do with them)—even if this doctrine applied to these
pecuniary chinos, still when the qaeetion referred to a
matter of territory there could be no doubt of the
propriety of • communication to Francs and Rosen,
for the noble marquis admitted that they were
treaties to guaranteeing the Greek territory, and when it
became a question of separating that which the Greek go.
TtrllliNlit called territory, we were bound by every motive
of justice and propriety to communicate to our co-guarantees
that orders bad been given to occupy the Pima.; and he
(L rd Aberdare) could only say that it was owing to the for-
bearance of lie. Wyse, who thought that the note of the
Greek minister exhibited more truth and justice than it was
thought by the government here to have d.ne, that of his
own mere motion operations were suspended. In the early
part ot his statement the noble marquis asserted that the
demand of the islands in question formed no part of the
ace to Mr. Wyse, but he dil not admit that
at that moment the islands were oceupied, and
U the instructions given had been fu.filled, would have
remained in our possession. (Hear, hear) The noble
ma-quis, by the bye, had cot noticed that part of the speech
of his noble friend (Lord Stanley) which had reference to
those island., and he (Lord Aberdeen) considered that to be
the main point in question—(bear, hear)—because that was
one of the points on which we had abandoned the growl('
wo had asserted, and had ss tiled the matter with the other
powers, after announcing our determination to occupy them.
In the whole of this matter, that which had pained the feel-
ings of this country most was the part which
our naval force had been obliged to play.
(Cheers.) Not ou:y on this occasion in the Greek waters,
but since its departure from England, that fleet had
been employed in a manner little eondec.ve to the honour
and credit of this cosintry. (Lou.' cheers.) First, when in
the Tagus, it excited at Lisbon complaints and suspicions on
the part of the government of Portugal, and .yen those who
were opposed to the government loudly remonstrated. Again
et Naples it wee employed to control, to threaten, sod to
thwart the operations ot the king, and afterwards the
Sicilian insurgents were abandoned, a%d then both parties
were ft in the lurch. (Cbetn.) After that the fleet ap-
peared I i the lonian Islands. It arrived just after the sup-
pression of the ethernet', and therefore took no active port,
but all that it did was to luraish Sir Henry Ward with im-
plement. for the punishment inflicted on the rebels who were
taken. Though the measures taken by Sir Henry Ward were
very senile he might have been justified in adopting
them, and the mild government of • military conservative
might have been advantageously succeeded by the stern
severity of • whig eivilian—(hear, hear, and laughter)—hut
it was odd that he should get the flog ship to supply him
with naval cats to flog the rebels with. It might have been
thought that the native msnufac.ure which served for mili-
tary uses would have sufficed, but Sir Henry Ward gin •
supply from the admiral's ship of implements wherewith to
introeuee • new and barbarous punishment into those
islands. This was all that it was found that was done by the
fleet in the [mien Islends. Then come the last and meet
brilliant affair in the Greek waters which had excited every-
where sympathy for the weaker power and regret that such
an overwhelming force should have been used. They
were told, however, that the fleet had done wonders
in the Dardanelles, had brought the Emperor of
Russia to his senses, end bed done wonders in favour of the
Polish 'chigoes. The fleet entered the Dardanelles in Octo-
ber, and on the sth of November the Emperor, without the
interference of any other power, acquiesced in our construc-
tion of the treaty under which we claimed to interfere, and
the government apologised to the Emperor for having
entered the Dardanelles, disavowed their admiral, and said
they woald not do so again. (Hear, hear.) Nay more,
they said the fleet had been driven thiteer by stress of wea-
ther. (Hear, hear.) The noble marquis did not deny the
tact. If he did he should produce the paper in which it was
avowed that the fleet was driven into the Dardanelles by
stress of weather. (Loud cheers.) Was not this • decep-
tion, was it not saying the " thing that was not ?" (" Hear,
hear," cheers, and laughter.) As he had said before, they
bad apologised to the Emperor,and promised not to do soany
more. He had little to say nn the letter part of
the subject on which his noble friend had addressed the
house. He did not know in whet state the negotiation
with Prance was at that moment, but it was astonisbing to
him that there should have been • negotiation going on for
three weeks on such a auhject. It appeared to him that the
prepesition of the French government wee a simple one end
ought to have been acoepted at once, butt ey bed gone on
haggling like their own IL Pacifico, when it might all have
been settled in one hour. They should have said, if while we
agreed to • convention in London, another was agreed on at
Athens, let that stand ; but if a compulsory settlement of
the question ter* place at Athens, let the London woven-
non stand. Tree utmost good faith was exhibited by the
French government to this country, and indeed the instruc-
tions given by Gamed Labia* to M. Gros were models in
their way. He tells Lim to be urgent as far as
was decent, but beyond a certain point not to go. Id. Oros
acted on then instructions, and fulfilled them in the spirit of
his government, and H. Dreuyn de Lhuys, who seemed
almost to have acted as our French agent, had conducted
himself in a manner that ought to have Wien satisfactory to
this country (as we understood, but in this part of his speech
the noble lord was very indistinctly bend). It was not to
be supposed that he did not feel strongly the engagemeat
into which ha had entered. The misunderstanding nese
thus—When France offered her mediation it was impossible
fee this country to refuse it. When, however, it was
eseepted, it was clearly in the mind of the Secretary of
State that we were to employ IL. Grin to execute oar
demand. In diplomatic language it was said that we
were to Kasen such satisfaction as justice required
by French intervention rather than by forme
.bat
what was really meant was that she was to be our &bend
°facer, to levy our debt, &Di to do oar bidding. That, how-
ever, was not the understanding of France in the matter, for
she supposed that she was to do something like what had
been done in tho mediation between this country end Naples
on the sulphur question, and in the dispute between herself'
and Mixioo. lie (Lord Aberdeen) thought the noble
marquis had used very strong terms in stating that our eels-
none with Russia were as firm as ever. Perhaps the free-
dom of friendship had been used is writing the dispatch
which had been referred to, but it was evident that it Wei
dictated with a hieing not of the most friendly charaoter,
and though it was to be hoped it would pan away, still it
undoubtedly would not leave us where it found us, for
although the two countries might get over the soreans
which the affair would leave behind, yet all this
did not take place without more or lees injure to the pre-
vious good understanding which existed. looping to our
relations with the whole of Europe, he could not we cause to
be well ratefied with them. We became used to anything
in a abort time, and what first might cause alarm, in a little
time would become almost natural to us. Yet our relations
with the Knit powers of Europe were not In • natural state,
and would not continue long without a change. It was
impossible to look without uneasiness to France and Russia.
If their lordships regarded the manner in which the noble
lord had
pressed every part of the subject upon their con-
sideration, he doubted whether say man In that house or

out of It eoald lay his hand au his bout sad soy that every
word of It was not jest sad true. (Hear, hear.)
Lord CARDIGAN was deeply impressed with a ems of
the hare ito which this 'ossify was exposed by the stated
its WOW relations. Hs bad the greatest respect for the
*minimised tales% of the noble feed at the head of the
fortems dopertmast ; bet, hellos isolated idge ha
whish the Sentry was pissed by the policy of that depart-
ment, Ito would sire his hearty support to the motion before
the hors.

-I;idlitAltD defended the sAMsst of the remotest
sad of the agile load eh the head el the fonipa defame's%
sad eseepleised that the gaieties bases the hare had lowa
Ve=projadeed end atimpreseated.
IZAUbIONT said that his latestioa wee sten
to apply his ohierearleas to the epoch of
stheia= lord who had hen& forward the mottos.
The noble leers &striae west to this 'stoat, that
wMattese there wan • wrong dose to a British sabjest is a
matey, he taut algae rely es the tribunals which
ed red the law of the sesstr. The noble lord was
obliged, however, acluto sledge, (a eontradietioa to the
principle be had laid dews that la sore insteasee, as la the
ate of as obsolete rantuels, there sight be en exception.
It alight be the sable lord was eszioue to oottatereat the
bed senile of his resolstlos by the doetriaes ke professed;
but if he want the length of saylag that se interferes's
should take plan WI appeal Ind been seed. to the Who-
rish of the &natty sad hod Med, that was precisely the
ears is thf teatime's before the hoses. It we rid that

England, before interfering, was hound to have oessalted
the other two powers which oembined with me to establish
that kiegdom. He denied that proposition entirely. The
indeptedesee of Greece once established, she was in the
sense pcsition as any other independent country, and mat
set le bier own quarrels with other tanneries without the
interference of third parties. Citcumetanees sight arise
rendering it desirable to consult with ether powers; and in
the case of Greece it might have been wise polity
for as to de so. But h. kwl_yet to learn that those powers
hid not been consulted. They knew of the existence at
these claims, and of their liability to be enforced : the time
had gone by when Coletti timid defer these Maims as long
se he liked, having a power over the noble earl (Aberdeen)
which he meld not shake off (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of ABERDEEN—CoIetti was not a minister
while I was in aim. (.. Hear, hear," and laughter.)
L'rd BEAUMONT refined to the circumstance of the
noble earl showing to his a despatch of Culetti with merit%
to thee* deism, and asking if he *bought fora ought to be
employed.
The Earl of ABERDEEN admitted that it was s mistake

as to Colettl not being minister while he was in office, but
Mid that be left no claims on Green unsettled when he
went eat of °film ; that of Mr. Finlay was only then com-
mencing, and there was no ease in which the employment
of form was called for. t Hesr, hear.)
Lord BEAUMONT said he would proceed to show that
the tribunals of the country had been appealed to in these
cues. In that of Mr. Finlay, the claim had been first pre-
ferred ander the very articles of the constitution ; the 17th
article or the code required indemnity to be accorded for all
property takim by the government. He had farther step
mined to arbitration again in accordance with On law of
the country; and it was only when toe Greek government
refined to accede to a just arbitration that he had appealed
to the interference of his own eonatry. As to M. Pacifico,
of whose character he did not think much, end whore horta-
tory of losses was evidently much exaggerated, it could not
be denied that be was entitled to reparation not only for
too of his preppie', but for personal injury. He, again, tad
first applied tothe Promireur ea Roe, who, having ascer-
tained the names of the offenders, refused to proceed against
them. Pacifico waited six months in hope of the govern-
ment acting, and then wrote to Sir E. Lyons.
L rd STANLEY—Sir Edmund Lyoi.s forwardedthe com-
plaint to the Greek minister within three weeks. (Hear.)
Lord BEAUMON 1' said that confirmed his statemeat.
Don Pacifico and Sir Edmond Lyons both continued to urge
the Greek government to do justice for six months bef re
the interfarecce of this country was invoked. (Hear, hear.)
It was no answer on the part of the Greek government to
say that he had little or no property; they ought fairly to
nave investigated the lots. It was clear that In both these
cases the law of the land had been appealed to in the lint
instance. Though the noble lord (Stanley) might have been
expected to treat these claims with ridicule, lie was not pre
pared to hear him deal in the same way with the outrage
committed on the boats of the Feature and the insult to
Lieutenant Ideedenald. It was well known that it
the slightest indulgence were grained to the authorities in a
country like Greece, our officers would be subject to insult
every day. lie regretted that more prompt reparation had
not been demanded for the outrage on our officers, and that
the etas had not been treated singly as one calling for the
employment of force. (Hear, beer.) It was most im-
portant to eenblish a precedent in this ease, not only for toe
sake of this country, but of others; the French officers them-
selves were most anxious that this should have le en done.
Wean the case was peeved on the authority of the two offi-
cers, the authoritin ought at ion* to have made an apology;
but in Greece they invariably preterred getting onto! a
eulty by trick and ingenuity than by • straightforward course.
Woes toe monarch denied thee:AMAMI= of the officers, that
might to have been the gigue' for demanding reparation.
Every eatific means bed been tried of cot ring the
claims; nothing was left but force, and therefore it
was or necessity employe el. After inetrections to that
effect had been given, Mr. Wyse had dune all in his power
to spare the retinue of the Cir -.lt government, and ti induce
them to do something to admit the claims; Greece would
thereby have been put in the position of an honest nation,
which she did not now occupy. had this advice been acted
on, the amount of the claims might afterwards have bean
mule the subject of mutual agreement. Hence, the
Debbi Ind opposite had not made out a smgle
charge whist the government; he had failed to show that
they had acted either unieetly or inconsiderately towards
Greece. Nothing could be more unfortunate than that •
misunderstanding should exist between two each nations,
but a good understanding maid only be maintained by
straightforward conduct on the part of the respective go-
vernments. He believed that there was no deceit on either
side. lie believed that France, as represented by that die-
tieguished man, M. Dronyn de Lhuys, acted openly, and
the conduct or Lord Palenereten was equally straightforward.
Then, again, he believed it was understood teat Baron
Gros would act in the same spirit; that he was not to dn.
pule the claim, but to endeavour to reduce the amount
demanded to a just amount. Wi h regard to the
reference home, he believed that Lord Palmerston had
clearly laid down the course to be pursued. The
question therefore resolved into this, did Bolen Gros with-
draw or nit ? If be did, Mr. Wyse had no sitarist'''.
Now it appeared to him, there was so doubt of Baron Gros's
withdrawal. He used the term that" his mission was ended,"
and then the underateeMing wee that negotiations having
ended bsetill'iee were to recommence. Therefore, he iOnfoi-
,,ered Mr. Wyse was perectly justified. But it certainly
had been a must unlacky circumstance that the convention
agreed to in London did not arrive in Greece before Baron
Gros withdrew. But as it did not, why was Lord Palmer-
ston to inflict en additional Mimi upon Green to
puffy Francs? He could not understand why France
should not say " mind, the matter is settled, and
there is an ead of it." Me thought Lord Palmerston would
have been justified in laying, " You may take which con-
vention you please." The matter was now settled, and it
did not matter it nothing more was ever said about it. It
was no uncommon thing for governments to demand repent-
Soo for iojurii a done to their subjects. That bad often been
done ; and this country was bound, in coasideration of her
honour and dignity, to demand reparation whenever her sub-
jects were opprued be a foreign power. Not to act up to this
doctrine was to sink England into a second rate power, if, fee
deed, she would be recognised as a nation at all. launclustea
the noble lord said this movement appeared to him to be ea
on-English motion , it was a motion hostile to this country,
and he trusted the benne would not pass it.
Viscount CANNING admitted that the conduct of tbe
Greek government had been evasive and equivocal, bat it
did not tallow that because the Greek government bad due
wrong the government of this country had dons right. He
pointed out the strong objections to which the mode of deal-
ing with Mr. Fiulay's and M. Pacifico's cases was open in
point of international law. He also drew attention to the
cue of the lonian subjects plundered by robbers, and showed
that then, too, tne law of nations had been violated by the
manner in which the government had demanded redress.
lie reminded the house that there were other countries is
the word nearly as powerful and much less serueulous in
the exercise of their power than our., and that these coun
tries would probably make • disastrous use of the example
which had thus been *et them.
Lord EDDISBURY, like the preceding speakers, re-
viewed each of the claims at forward against the Gres k
government, contending that in the aggregate at least the
refusal of them justified measures of reprisal. In support
of his view he quoted certain deepatchee of the Earl of
Aberdeen addressed to the Encliah minister at Athos., as
showing the language which the government of that dey
held to the administration of King Otho.
The Earl of iIARDWICKE felt satisfied thst Admiral
Parker had net stated to the government that he had been
compelled to enter the Derdenelles by stress of weather.
Lord BROUGHAM, having listened very attentively to
the discussion, thought he might take • very short-sighted
view of the question, and say that it did not matter
whether the British or the Greek governments were
right or wrong. Regarded in that light, the British govern-
ment might be compared to a man who went into cue' eery
for 1004. The government did worse, for it went into chan-
cery for claims which were worth nothing. He denied that
the gevenneent had international law upon its aide ; and it
was frightful, he said, to think to what an extent war might
rage all over the world it such doctrines as he hail beard
rashly put forth in the house that evening were to become
established. He hoped their lordship, would do justice to
themselves in the public opinion of Europe by shaking them-
selves free from the recent proceedings in Greece. He eon-
Adeptly axpectad they would do so, and in saying this he
bore testimony to the great ability and the peaceful senti-
ments of Lord Palmenton.
Strangers were than orders 1 to withdraw, at the same
moment the Marquise( LONDONDIIIIKT rose to address the
house, and continued speaking though the gallery was not
re-opened.

The numbers on the division were:
For the motion—Present
Proxies
Against it—Present
Proxies

IN ority
The house adjourned at a quarter pest three o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, ADO 17.
Tee 8 took the chair at four o'clock.
TRH NATIONAL LAND COMPANY.
Mr. P. O'CONNOR wished to know from the right hon.
baronet (Sir G. Grey) whether. as the Court of Gunge'
11. nob had decided against the registration of the Land Com
pony, the government were prepared to afford every facility

for the pasting • measure in order to *noble the company to
wind up their 'Was and to do Justin to the 70,000 penes.
who had Oneonta efseir matey in it.
Or G. GAST NM there was nothing to prevent the hon.
gestlempa bees see* Mr leave to bring in a bill, but it
would be impamdble Ott klea to state on the part of the go-
vernment that he would facilitate its parsing till he knew
what Its provisigne wee'. (Hest, ►eer.)

SEITHFIELD HARIRT.
Mr. FITZROY wield to ea Lord John Russell whether.
in WSW woos of the report of the ersamimbra " appointed
to Rake inquiries relating to Szeitba:ld Morket," ke was
prepared daring the provost eselos of pediment to propose
any sworn ier rimming the market for the sale of Lim
made from that locality.
Lard J. RUSSELL replied that the government do
entirely agree with the report of the ectsmotrioein es to the
mitred of Smithfield Minket. (Oasan.) With repardlto
the muss of doing so, be world state oa Friday what the
government proposed to do.
OATH OF ABJURATION (JEWS) BILL.
In reply to Sir R. lemma,
Lard J. RUSSELL said that Ite proposed to more the
emand readies of the Jews Bill es the 4th of July.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

In reply to several questions,
Lord J. RUSSELL embed that he proposed to go on with
the missellansoss estimates ea Friday next ; on tha follow-
ing Monday he proposed to take either supply or the Slump
Duties BM ; on Thursday sent, he proposed to more the
third reading of the Metropolitan Interments B U; he bad
already announced that it was his intention to make a
statement with respect to the Court of Chaneery on the 24th
instant, and he now proposed to maks that statement on the
Stit of July.
ADDRESSES TO THE CROWN.
Lord I. RUSSELL said he hoped the house would allow
him to call its attention to a sulgeet, which although he had
given no notice of hie intention to do so, was worthy of
the consideration of the house, sad if the house concurred
with hiss In what he was about to state, he meant to pro-
pose en alteration in regard to the orders of the house on
the subject. He alluded to addresses to the crown from that
hour. The house was well aware that with regard to other

modes of proceeding, the home had an opportunity of coca-
deans its previous decision, and that any of its resolutions
which did not appear to 'gem with the lease of the majority
subsequently moorland ought be r,vereed. But the ease
was mainly differed with regard to addresses tv the crown,
because, when an addrese was moved and agreed to, It was
ordered that certain members should present it to her Ma-
jesty, and the consequence was that the advisers of the crown
must advise the crown to comply with the tacker, (or

they should advise the crown twit; comply with the adrein,
it would tend to a breach between the crown and the House
of Commons, which it was &drat*, neept on very grave
occasions. to avoid. (Hear, hear.) Of coarse the advisers
of the crown had it In their power to advise the crown not
to comply with the address of the HJuse of Commons; but
that was a power which they were net likely to we. It
seemed to him, therefore, to be advisable to place ad-
drones to the crown on the some footing with the
address to the crown, in answer to the speech from the
throne at the beginning of the se,sion, which was always
referred to • *elect committee, who made • report on the

following day, which report wee again taken into considera-
tion PO that the house had another opportunity of discussing
and deciding on the address. He did not mean to give any
notice at present on the subject, but merely that members
should coccid, r the matter, and see if they could not come
to a general agreement, for he did not wish to raise any can-
test on the question of nuking an alteration in the mien of
the boom to the effect which ne hod stated.
THE EXHIBITION OF ISM.—CU !TING DOWN
OF TREES IN HYDE-PARR

Mr. BATLLIE wished to know if .t was with the consent
of the government that a number of fine trees in Hyde-park
were now cutting down in Drier to clear the site for the erec-
tion of the building in which the eilszbition of ISM is to
take place?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the assent of the crown had
heen drained to the appropriation of a site in ilyde-park
for the purpose of the Ratatbition of 1811, end chimaera he
was not surpr;i ed that the workmen had commenced the
foundation. But he understoad—for he was not present at
th, meeting of the commissioners when the matter was dc-
eided—that none but trees of a small size need be taken

down, and that it wonid not Os neconary to cut down the
lugs trees.
_ LORD LIEUTENANCY ABOLITION BILL

The order of the day for the resumption of the adjourned
debate on thi. question having been read,
Mr. ANSTEY said that, although he approved of the
principle of the abolition of the vain and idle pageantry
called the vice-royalty of Ireland, he was not prepared t
extend one inch further the principle of ceutraliration. He
apprev.d of the five first clauses of the bill, but he would not
support its further pr egress if the noble lord was determined
to abide by the m ininery which it was the object of the
concluding chines to substitute for the present system.
This bill was celled the 't Lard-Lieutenancy Abolition B II,"
and if it stopped there he should say he would hose no ob-
jection to it. But the most imeortant pare of the bill was
kept out of sight—be meant the spreointment of a fourth
, secretary of state. (Hear, hear ) He objected to all that
related to that appointment—(peas, hear)—and, conse-
quently, on that ground he was prepared to oppose the second
reading of the bill. (Hear, hear.) Hs detailed at
much length the grounds of his objections to this part
of the bill, which he considred the really important part of it
The executive goy, menet of Ireland ought to be strictly
local, and it was because it was not So that the legislation of
that country was all vicious. All the present evils had grown
up under a system of centralisation, and yet it was now pro-
posed to make that system still more absolute. Ueless he
received mos: satisfactory assurance teat the minister to be
armed with the new powers would tic bound to reside in
Leann I except when attending to his duties in parliament,
he should oppose the further preen tie of the bill.
Sir B. PEEL said—Sir, I consider that as this bill has
been brought forward by her Majesty's government, and as
the professed object of it is to promote the good fe.vernm.ht
of Ireland, it is, on those accounts at least, entitl d to the
most careful consideration of this house. I consider the
mien question to be, will the arrangement propceed coneuce
to the good and satisfactory government of Ireland ? I wish
I could see with the same confidence that some
gentlemen do the unequivocal advantages of this step.
(Hear, bear.) Upon the whole, I am perfectly willing to
consent that the experiment should be made; hut, in giving
that consent, I am bound to say, that Ido it with more
hesitation and mJo doubt as to the advantages that inset
result from the measure than many gentlemen appear to
entertain. (Hear, hear.) Of this I am confident, that if
local authorities, without the authority of the Lord Lieute-
nant, are to assume the executive fuections of government,
I eland will derive no advantage whatever from the mea-
sure. lem quite aware of the difficulties which men of
high character and great acquirements have had in admi-
nistering the government of Ireland, but I think those
difficulties are not so much on account either of their per-
social qualities or of the constitution of the office which they
had held, as on account of the difficul les inherent in
the state of society in Ireland, which difficulties
will, I apprehend, continue to operate after this measure
shall have passed. (Hear, hear.) At the same time, sir, I
cannot but feel that there are some Difficulties inherent in
the constitution. When there was • local government the
relation of the chief secretary to the Lard-Lieutenant was a
naturcl and conetitutional relation. The chief secretary
was in immediate connexion with the Lord-Lieutenant; he
acted in a subordinate capacity ; all that he did .li:tainted
from the authority of the Lord-Lieutenant; and his relation
to the Lord Lieutenant corresponded, in all material respects,
wish the relation in which a minister here stands towares
the crows. But when you abolished the local legislation,
and transferred the chief I, ontary's parliamentary
functions to this side of the water, you altered
materially the relation in which that officer stood
towards the Lord-Lieutenant. Yon made him a mi-
nister responsible for the conduct of Irish legislation;
you made him a minister necessarily possessing great power,
and called upon sometimes to exercise that power without
communication with his chief, however desirous he might be
of conferee]; confidentially with the Lord Lieutenant ; you
placed him an • position in which it is very difficult for men
with the best intentions to exercise their fui ctions without
risk of occasional collision. I can speak from experieaoe
with respect to the great difficulty which there was in main-
taining perfectly confidential relations on account of the
peculiar position in which the Chief Secretary for Ireland
stood towards the Lad Lieutenant. I cannot but
feel that there is a tick that the removal of an authority
like that of the Lord Lieutenant, acting independently,
animated by a snare desire to promote the welfare of that
county , free from all local prejudices and from all prnoual
partialities—l cannot, I say, but feel that the removal of
that authority may have an injurious effect. (Hear, hear.)
When you gave to the chief secretary all the autho-
rity of a oddest minister, while you left the Lord-Lieu-
tenant without that authority, you encouraged the secretary
to Weenie powers the exercise of which could not but make
him still more iadependent of Lis cent. Now, both on account
of the difficulty experienced in managing the relations of
the two offices, and on amount of the great objection to which
the conferring of the dignity of a cabinet minister on the
subordinate was liable, I am inclined to listen favourably
to the proposed alteration. I am bound also to admit teat
the increased facilities of communication give hammed
means of conducting the government of Ireland without the
intervention of a Lord Lieutenant, and that probably no
period better than the present could have been selected ler
But
the making of the experiment will be the securing
tthheenpulr":l:ll et
fa
II making
ktihnagttbtehnerwhimichentw.il(lnreecarou, heedier.)me to
unity of system in the form of government which
is to be substituted for the existing one ; and I do entertain
the doubts which I expressed, not in the year 1846-4 think
it must have been in 1844 that the debate referred to by the
(Col. Duane]
do still ltill'eTartertallaigni4thile apprehensions
as to the result at least of the wmhohunisc.t
hahnt:
advegptSlakulseeaelanidpilnac.-184l member
con-
stitution of • fourth Secretary of State for the purpose of ad-
ministering Irish affairs. Teat which will be so advents-
I gene, SS to compensate for risks and inconveniences is, in my
opinion, the establishment of unity of system and unity of
legislation, so far as legislation can be rendered uniform
with reference to England and Ireland, by appointing one
man to administer the functions of Secretary of State for
' both countries. I see that by this bill power is given to ap-
point a fourth secretary. I trust that her Majesty's govern-
meet will well consider before that power is taken whether
it is absolutely necessary to poness it; that they will well
consider whether you are not forfeiting a great part of the
advantages which you hope to gain by the extinction of this
high office, if instead of having a Lord Lieutenant acting
wader the Secretary of State, you have two officers of equal
and coordinate authority, one administering the functions
' of Becretary of State foe Ireland, end the other acting for
the other parts of the kingdom. Why yon are receding
from the orinceples on which you acted in
the year 1816. Yon then saw the advantage of
consolidating the two offices of Chancellor of

the Exchequer. Yon had found each practical i• con -
vonieseein having an English chancellor of the exchequer
and an Irish chancellor of the exchequer, that In the year
1816 yea determined to combine the financial arraagemente
of the two anintries, to abolishlthe office of the Irish chaa-
oilier of the exchequer, and to unit* his functions with those
of the English one. Every araumsat which then applied to
the administration of the Snanoes applies now with equal
fovea to the admioistratioa of justice, and of the executive
faneticess. (H•ar, hear.) If you an. to have two secretaries
of state I earnestly entreat you to consider this
arrangement—the putting of Wales and Scotland
seder one of them, and England and Ireland
satin the other. (Laughter.) Well, now, you laugh at
Mat as an absurd arrangement, but there is no reason why,
If yea laugh at that arrangement, you should not also
laragla as ths propinal now made. (hear, hear.) What will
ke the result ? Yon are to have a separate bar, you are to
have separate judjese,yoe are to have a separate commander
of the forces. Why, surely, the great advan would be
to apply preeisely the same principles to regulate the ad-
ministration of justice and the exereisine of the prerogative of
mercy in the two pasts of the United Kingdom? You might
dud a better reason for separating Scotland from England, in
this respect, because there is a difference between the criminal
and civil jurisprudence of the two countries. The people of
Wales, too, speak for the most part • different language
from the Raglan and I would positively rather see Wake
and Scotland under a different Secretary of State from
England than Ireland, since it la Ireland especially that we
wish to assimilate to this country, and in whose ease we
wish to remove all appearance of dirilaction. I declare I
would prefer having one Secretary of State to manage the
affairs of Ragland and Wales to having the
exclusive manantinaat of In land confided to one
Secretory of State. (Hear, hear.) I think there
would be at least as great a risk of stolid= nadir the pro-
posed arrangement as there is under the existing one. You
have at present one person presiding over Irish affain, the
Secretary of State not being responsible to the Lied Lieu-
tenant, but signifying to him the Queen's pleasure. But I
perceive a greater chance of difference under the system pro-
posed. if the turas be tranquil—if there be no danger of
popular commotion, it is quite clear that one Secretary of
State can administer the functions of government so far an
respects the maintenance of peace and the employment of the
military in aid of the civil power. But suppos3 there
should be serious troubles in Scotland, and in soma
parts of England and Wales, as there have been
at former periods, and suppose there should, at the same
time, be trouble in Ireland, would it not be of the highest
advantage to have one civil officer to communicate with the
commander of the forcat, and to make the necessary arrange-
ments for the suppression of insurrection—(beer, hear)—to
have one man to take • conaected view of a!l the exigencies

of the occasion, and to order whet night be necessary in
different parts of the empire ? Would not this be better
than having two men, each revocable for the maintenance
of the public peace within his own peculiar jurisdiction,
each pressing the commander-in-chief to give him the
aid of military power—each responsible for the ap-
pheation of that power, and, there's:ire, enter-
tain ug different views on a matter of such im-
mense- imp mune* as the maintenance of the public
peace through applying the military in aid of the
civil power? (Hear, hear.) It may be add that the Secre-
tary of State is no ov.rburdened with public business that her
cannot provide for any addition. My experierce rather tends
to show that the conflict of re-equal authority adds to the
difficulty (Hear, hear.) If I can direct no reeiment to be
sent to Wales without communication with my brother
secretary, who is probably preside, for that same regiment to
be sent to Ireland, all I can ley ia, that you can give me no
relief in exsiciei..g my functions, because my orders may be
counterected by the presence of another Well, now, with
r. spect to legislation, we all know that it is of the utmost ad-
vantage that Irish legieletioa should, as far as powhle, be
conformed in principle, and even in detail', to English.
(Hear, hear.) I hue it is very easy to say the', but anus
we come to the practical application of the principles there
are difficulties to be encountered. (Hear, hear.) If there
is to be no communication between the two sem-aerie.; if
the one is to heeds.. for Ireland, at d the other is to leg:state
for the other pats of the empire without any intimate con-
currence and communication, you wel very soon find rich
material differences as will disturb harmony. I assume that
there will be that communica len, and 1 say that
however preseiog or great the pressure of business
mtg'.t be, I would much ratherebe responsible for •he
whole of the legisletion than have to settle the details with
an distr. (Heir, hoer.) Well, now, with respect to cri
miaal justice, if you have a Secretary of State for Ireland,
what will be the consequence ? There will be communica-
thin on all mutters with the Irish judges, tied with the Irish
Attorney-General and the Irish Solicitor-General, sad that
will keep up the distinction ot Irish adotinistratim ; whereas
if there were inc Secretary of State responsible for the advice
which he gives to the crown as to the exercise of the preregte
live of mercy in all paste of the United Kingdom, in my
opinion the burden upon his shoulders would not lei more
onerous, while the sees! te'ioa would be much greater,
arising from a conviction that in the adminis-
trxtien of the law and in the dispensation of
the prerogative the some principle wee applied
in all parts of the United Kingdom. (Hear, hear.) Now,
the very circumstance of there being a separate communi-
cation wi:h the Irish law officers and the Irett judge+ will
tend to keep up t e eistinctiure which we wish to abolish.
(Rear, he .r.) Sir, lam sure no one (eels more sensibly
than I do the extent of business which presses on the minis-
ters in the crown ; but there is no effort which I would not
melee to relieve the Secretary of State from the facetious
which he now p gems, and make him responsible for tha
administration ot government in Hegland and Ireland—fee
instaace, if the mile inal administration be too heavy for the
Secretary of State, that i. rot a function which has at all
times le-en inherent in the office. If in the alteneion of the
office of L -rd Chancellor, two judges shall be aoppoinfid to
discharge the functionswhich have hi herto bet n discharge d by
nee, I hope the gov.rnm nt will coasider whether it would not
be possible to team fee so much of the rbut, istration of the
de tails of criminal justice as now b.lonis to the Secretary of
Sate for the Home Dep .rtment to the new (thew in order
that the Secretary of State may be able to apply hi. steal-
seded attention to legislative matters and to the details of
xecutive government. ( Hear, hea-.) Depeea ue -n it thtt
aster you have made this change, what yeti went in
lr.lond will be the moral influence of a man of the hiehest
authority—(h an, hear)—and I consider that the authority
will be much higher it it be remelted by the Secretory of
State fur the Home I/apartment paeee.sed of sal the %vino-
ritywh:ch the crown can confer upon him for the &denims.
testiest of all the political affein of the united empire than if
it be exercised by a Secretary of State appoii tad for Itell•
live purposes in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) I do not quite
understand bow this Secretary of State for Ireland is to dis-
charge his duties. Is he to be resi:ent in Irelan I at
that peeled of the year during which parliamentary duties
will not require hi. residence in Begleted ? If he be resi-
dent in Ireland will he have the fun power which a secre-
tary of state ought to have of Attica in a time of emergency
with known and unquestienable au•herity ? (Hear, heir.)
Will he he entitled t- act upon his own authority wh:n he
has no: the means of communicating with the sovereign ?
Will he be able, when he is in Ireland. to signify the
Queen's command ? It he is to be resident in Ireland, Ido
not exactly see why the -bjectiees which teply t a the
preseut adminietration sheaf not apply to him.(Hsse.l
I do not exactly see why magistrates should not then have
the same tendency as they have to rely upen tee gevern-
meat, why they should Lot be expected still to refer to the
Secretary of State on every point of diffieuhr, allegine, as
they now do, that were they to get for the.nselyee they
might afterwards be left in the lurch. (Hear, hear.) If a
Secretary of S.ate is to be there to whom they can refer, why
should there not be the same tendency to refer to him as
there is to refir to the L .rd lieutenant? (Hear, hear., If,
on the other hand, he is to be permanently rest lent in this
country, then I cannot eel why we should not mak • the
experiment of calling upon the Secretary of State
to discharge the united 'unctions. Di pend upon it, if
the right hon. gentlern t Sir G. Grey) were relieved of
some of the details with which he is now burdened, and were
to say, " I win undertake the administration of Irish as well
as English strain ; give me a subordinete staff for manage-
ment of details, but let there be one mind to di' eet the whole
of the executive again and to determine the principles of
legislation," depend upon it, I say, he would not have a
greater demand upon hie time and trouble in undertaking
those new functions than in conducting the affair.' ot his
office in communication with thom who would
say to him, as all Irishmen are apt to soy
to Englishmen, " You know nothing shout Irelend—
(l.ughter)—no Englishman is at all fit to interfere tears
are certain trinciple• with which you come over principles
of iustices and equity, and so forth, but still no Engl:sernen
can undere'and all the mysteries, and all the neeuliar rela-
tions of Irish society." (Laughter ) This Irish secretary
will he erompted(by has Irish friend., who will inculcate these
doctrines up -n his mind; an $ the tight bon gentleman only
hnd!tiis newlcolleague—o --ordinA'r and co-equal with himself,
having a matt ring of Irish knowledge, end perhaps aim
followed by a -me Irish members—be may tied him very dis-
agreeable—(" hear, hear," end laughter)—without relieving
him from any portion of that husiness which really causes
vast ensiety sad uneasiness, and occupies no much of his
time. (Hear ) I earnestly advise the right hon. gentlemen
to take the administration of these functions upon binned.
8 r itobeit, in conclusion, confessed he did not see the change
proposed by this bill with complete freedom from atciety
and lie asked, as a compensation for the risk he w wiliing
to incur, that as much unity and uni•ortnity as possible
should be imported into the machinery of adetinistration.
Mr. E 11. ROCHE shoubl otter the strongest eppo, i het in
his power to this bill, and he warned the house spinet mak-
iog a change for the worse at a time when Ireland was in a
state of collapse.
Mr. NAPIER likewise opposed the hill, the peofelueti ob-
feet of which was to make a c mthined executive system ot
government; whereas it perpetuated aseperate administration
tor Ireland and transferred it to En:land.
Mr. SADLEIIt supp erted the bill, contending that the
bulk of the Irish nation was favourable to the abolition ot en
office which was a most ine tfleiret mode of govern:n.l Ire-
land, whilst it was anti-national, insulting, and degrading to
the Irish people.
Mr. MOORE criticised richer ly some of the speeches
sented to pus this bill.
heh.
whichud bout
da n
hynal
d
eir
in-
oa-
Lord NAAS said that, although the office of Lerd-Lieute-
dat re:feel liuvt seadrtesa endoiin t hhi icesa calledrtheirland
4 precedingfoh smt oor historical
informationiliillra ttbibefore he trite or
rg he
en
af cr o"ol (4: an greatnga
Governorvirtues,nof R
we
his real power. But while he voted for the abelition of that
thada cant
ittkh had been
sabErne
as.. holdthr
eat:.
.0 mitt,
raw, as a bad mode of government, he did not approve the
erode which was propelled to be subetitutid.
Sir G. GREY said, there were two teiestionit entirely
distinct, and which should be kept so—flrat ttek
office of Lord-Lieutenant should be abolitle Aseolffiyi
what manner its duties should be perk parellmetrint •
consented to its abolition. He agreed that iduf, retina OM

1,66 But. a the weather at aaatiTu O,ENDitY.. roalukNwai 45.p'5.:,.1.
DAILY WEATHER TABLF
THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 18, 1850.
4
eiderettea should be bow the gees goverment ef Imbed law exists in it, ited whether its Gouts are Mors& en WWI: WI Colmfoo7 to ani Pram You Fey b• ii,- Int emit:.
Francis'
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CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
was
ind. Mae ceedoeus k yesterday ingetuee. .... tee
44. s.t . kt
meld be best peemeted, sad ibis **et I. thought would eat, T. seed a Britt& for ._
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the
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ee wedge sods toe fur' of '36,6'41 alakifillblage* 11..... onceitag it a eraiser.were ssreSbr. _ Boom sue Itaeownw.
~peelreehe to entered to press as assit. Taff MEW emcees, in °abase Park
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there should be unity et maim in all parts of She MOM wee the iis of die war . How wooliammoo paay. But whilst all the w going fes war d it
............._...... tat*
ens Wad pervading *very depertnient of the ormentoun Ira, btu gang before a appears that des Centeno were Gamed is natter- A feleihtion tezze—tho Meitopentaa Bee** tie. was he the detests'
Th. prisoner, it a PLTROOTE
Banes= L L cat.
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willa
win or'
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eel intportutee of %be mower tends, se hearse deny law court in such a country ae that?
TM depseatice esesimedef Leedeo Provides's leethetion-
soso,p,Fofeloutsielpiri:,_trent
hie.osained:sraint
beth _, ..°l7, `"at "? bad Folizoiroso N L - ----• over -1
lareaght before twaftmeat, sac eeseideaso doe prime Lord STANLEY gots rid of Mr. FINLAY'S ems SS Way 2° eXtraCtaillag _ flat
p0w..., .
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andit eV Sore.rEdtro
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fem..:
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his vs system m MARE and reobery TLIIIIIO9
eb"booreilitteks of thetofitrimie itelo"drd el; R8A".11"8.3.4.201.
.spasm is *my brume/ of the itowrrwraeatr_.__.,.._aelat se,_ Zs' cavalierly and with as little shadow of reams or we should el-lelet_. dee
It
of
rs__that early is the. month of way If p,ratikMr. i i to meat his acquetudee.
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riLiteltaribli. looslA Jentsaiiaboautilisamehettesibeee'it weel be troth
d.
in% what
ap Atriallcrogro
thees LotkAisertmempsofujinastieLnis
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after • ems, nenApra& vmeeeni us the s..wseu=. were employed to go ,clokutos) i iiwo tooroot""zw,M.cwTibwmstutat Doßrbinsasi rut Tto jury found the prisoner Guilty. imam-
ozaintiiiiir c.i. .....,,,, C 740.1%
that"e as
- esiesThl --ekeelebobi =Mb% by welsh the duties of Lord STAPIL LT says that FINLAY'S ad= Was &eta=
referred to arbitrations sad, thwakmthat the Bri • round 50111 the principal merchantsof London toafford t( rea- There were other indictments • e",www LW cif t '
serer) I Cr.llaliffite-411'. Wilburn Kiss (Treetop), end Kr. er the
these dikes saMht be entalg mated, end dieheroed by ems
saw. Sir it, Peel, however, had mended tho allegael." autlecriths had no nig ht to interfere for him. Now, them °al" lahrmatt°l that the Dodk CosPolied had lam alls Reeineary); Fisebary-Mr. ism Boater Me- with. same treeseetielter b" IbliabldrY wolobasnslt ariPirOSlaNdidg oat
SIP".10LICOP;t• -77" — 7 :: . 0.,,,,,,.... Ain
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whirl might Win from the division of tee esentaryekip, what is the truth? t will be found to Mr. Blum! named kw their elm purposes eousiderable gun. sagfeksad Kr. W. N. WerdeiLkerstuy) ; Woke:impel Ta, prima
r. h r was sentenced to be trans C.llllllllllOB
Sersosevoia....... ll. SAW Drone clot7l -way
though be (Sir George) admitted the im elf sewn-
yeas. ranwaeorn--.....- s.W. Gntle Luse dew"rpa 4
oafs, ey celiac BRIDGE'S letter, published is the Daily NMI of tithe of ozoloso eneemeed to that ohono. Mow*. -It P iIIIP °6°lnt (21°1°V° god lir• Gear S. Willie Ported for wen Ovnue 10...
Bean% Beechen were Warned that " there (Soren erb arwobwerre-fir. B. Spam (Trustee
r or was a teak of !TAM' az Uzi. bin ~,_____ht the ladMihaNiller. Titeedore). Martin lad Mr. Robert Roy Seen-
us smelt es possible, and of in
May 91 • PErZEROGOLON ......
11.,_elis metes' et edutieteiretion. If eaten~ n
Wr et•cuLLAGII soneolared this to be n.lll a gene= am,. paihr mammal is a „Anew, le September
M ARK ETS. Carex
st mu' urea, the whet, Bore of Iselemal Sass Ire- Goober, Mit, but, owing se the Greek gOntrOMEllt dock wershneolo Watch IiWISEPS to thew" 1'ag85,16 taitr .u. a.--..-- __. "...____ —wa _I y LIVERPOOL LW• Gana more p,,,,,L'1',4,
nee se ilegiand, sad be as ed tbs Moue whubrellsepumet WOW havingtta et. pipira to th• MOMS hire ferewee MAjeN/No sad ANDuDos won told that a mak of
as Tizzare7tiesime re,
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AELINOIOII W. OROUR limn p.„?..u1,..1
exigency cer Ma immediate fame of Instead wee so dieL By the civil lode of Gre drettell saw ex Tropic, frees Astir's, bad been purloined at their elles is the Beset et Trade. Yr as SOO takes for export, were and taday at steady rates. Sew
wi_ t_possipshiedialeaLatebesreftradveddishadisaaroaarahlierdtan::
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obisifreeilleteiei:p:wosid::::: allmtidesawalaibist:-itpdAe:.
ofsroromeas,;
siFonliannTbaedythswenexsoipanteestedryt: a Mottossoro.whowiticatCothanLeUlothooAeinrilpancaskan:
amid be Jeri, governed if its legislative sad onseadve the sgreemeat. Pot ~" Zls,
edaunistratim sore concentrated fa Earthed ; sad he le- alteration In the *rinse darer=
odweM eoesuatplive and. Wheat, W. to 11W. lea. baoarsoo.•77: • W.
cam,
l'''...._ '' G k 1 t would had given ItO account." Keens. CASTELLI and Co. °lal-dass hlis the G". 1118111 of the Nast Aimerieta Col.* Penang. Lim nu ores prey. oats, 17.. to 235. Se 17 - ...... ''''' ILL 1 .--. '''.
ties was maistaisted between the law of Inked and that at " Wee. 03 32e.
Reeked. den" of the eehheeY.. , se. the, thene reeled map., .. to were similarly iestrseted; sad so were many other
..: ..-.... __ ._ ........... ,__ _...--..5......_•-e Out not ....hive the Oyer IPIRLIOL AIORM FATLY. ._ _ .__s_ __ _ _,e__ _III A. _ _ _ ••••_ The Earl of Carlisle bed a dinner emery nn %Ono, NA ny 'rms. /..... 1 V w- .1- -•...-1 -I • • . FainNarnigni

Saglnel.
Mr. SHELL rose to establish two proposition—lnt, that
the office of Lon.Lientenant of Ireload was useisse ; es-
'madly, that it Gogh% sot to be mann in the Hameurilee.
Beton the date si Catkolie Zwardpation, the Lori-Lieute-
nant was a point of pedal sad political centralisation, draw-
ing ISM hint a mall bat powerful ekes; that act
him of his power, mid M became virtually the so
of his areretan. It was inespedient to merge the caw in
that of the Home Sweeten, because in its present trandlia
state Ireland required the undivided and undietracted aglow
lion of one Min. He would not say that the time might sat I
eons when the amalgamation of the orates should tako gam.
When Eaglish institutions wen attached to bellied intend '
of Ireland t, English iostinatiessa ; when pet mat get
leave of the Eaglet% people to dos what every MS eurgiintsd
with Weed knew would promote her pines and seenity ;
thou, and not till then, the government of that erientry
should he surged is the Home ogles. Is the lateen& lot
net an acditloa be made to the burden of tell and selidlisilo
incidental to the domestic edminietratias of these hie &
Mr..DISRASLI observed that Mr. Sheirs osgmann
went is favour of retainiag the office which he rope* to
!abolish. He said that Dublin Castle was now pinned, that
Ireland was in a meet penalise situation, gad hr on ant
ss vote for destroyieg the local goverment Se pedal.
Having perused this bill and hoard the argunmes la On
favoar, be (Mr. Disraeli) had a strong sea wled's!" that this
was en unwise measure, not well considered err mad.
The appointment of a fourth Sweeney of B•ate was as mesh
a principle of the bill as the abolition of the Lori-Linde-
sant ; but admitting the latter to be its priacipbs, so man
was justified in voting for the abolition of an ciao* which
had sainted for centuries unlew he was prepaid to veto for
the substitute. When Mr. Pitt proposed the Vain, be
said his object was to place under one public will the dine-
tion of the whole force of the empire. This scheme of the
government was no more calculated to realise the plea of
Mr. Pitt item the present form of administration. If the
Secretary was to reside in Ireland, he would be its governor;
sad if sot, he most depend upon subordinates, and could
sot be free from lxal influence. Until he saw a wiser sub-
stitute proposed he could not support the ntessare • and
believing the bill to be repugnant to the intonate of the peo-
ple of Ireland. be should oppose it.
Sir R. INOLIS asked, if this oats was such a naissnos,
why had it not been abolished beim ? Having heard no
in 1860 which should him to alter the vote he should
have given in 1844, he was not prepared to support the pro-
position of the government.
Mr. REYNOLDS opposed the bill, and implored the brim
to reject it, and to spars this inflection upon a country al-
ready so severely afflicted.
The house began to exhibit symytonn of impatience,
amidst which Colonel THOMPSON spoke in support of the
hill, and Mr. BVTLIR against it.
The house them divided—

F-4, the woad guidiag
Against it 7O-225
The *AI was ties read a woad time.

FACTORIES BILL.
Ths third roadies' of this bat was rstroned till this day.

ghe iEriarnOS.

OUTGOING MAILS.

The mills for Gibraltar, Yalta, Ore;;,ihe lonian Islands,
Seypt, Ceylon, India, and China, via Southampton, will
be made up on the morning of June 20.
The mails for British -North America gad the United
States will be made up oa the evening of Jane 21.
The smile aid Marseilles, to the Mediterranean, Egypt,
Ceylon, India, HonyKong, to., will be made up on the
vekina of June 24.
The nasals foe Lisboa, Spain, and Gibraltar will be mad*
upon June 27.
The West India Mails, including Bermuda, HIVSI2I4OI,
Nauss, Horlures, New Orleans, and Mexico, and excluding
those to, Madeira, St. Jaan-de-Nicangua, New Granada,
Chili, and Peru, will be made up on the morning of July 2.
The mails it, Maderia, the Brasile, and Buena Agra, will
be made op on the evening of July 4.

RIOS WALT= AT LOIMOS =IDOL
Tin I.)•—)4sitstag. aft. Al%mow

law exists in it, and whether its sourts are Mere&
set. Ts seed a British =firebast for redress to the
law wart of the Xing of Dasowsr, instead ef
ds-
gaasdlsg ersiser.were surd abused.
After the seder of Pacertco's he applied le
So Gook ' sad law Awe to the hose et
Niemen ties was in the sat of pilaw. Mortise
Waal tees say rook Shies, beam the
wee the me at the war Isbalor. Hew was AlirtinlioDer
tort reek or of what are vas Ms going bare a
law court in each a country as that?
Lord STANLEY gets rkl of Mr. FINLAY'S ease all
eavalierly and with as little shadow of reason or
truth is what he alleges, as Lord ABIRDREN in his
dimissal at PACIFICO to the Greek soar= of jostice.
Led ffrotu.ar says that FINLAY'e clam was actually
rehired to arbitration, and, therefore,that the British
satheritirs had so right to interfere far him. Now,
what is the truth? It will be found in Mr. Basco-
swoon's letter, published is the Doily News of
May 91 :
Kr. Finlay miseented Si • rearms, in September or
Osieber, UM% bat, owing to the Greek government
slew hewing omen the papers to the referem, the Tehran.,
me effect. By the civil code of Greece arbitration
Cdttrtht ground, it net gene into within three maths after
the egmement.
Thus, as the Greek police would sot enable PACI-
FICO to recover his stolen property, and with it evi.
deuce of the robbery, so the Greek rwernment would
not ntable the arbitration, is the cue of FINLAY, to
prooted, because, forsooth, it would not largish any
documents. And tbs.* tory lords tell es that British
subjects are to seek no redress bat in the enrol and
from the judges (removable at the will of the king)
of such a country.
With respect to the insult offeted to the British
flag, the arrest of the *Moors, and the driving
the bust's sew of British sailors to prison with
blows, Lord STANLEY admits the gravity of this,
and, instead of blaming the demand at redress, thinks
that this demand ought to have been immediate $
and we think so tea. Bat if it was jest to flossed
redress for them at ogee, we cans= deem it such
flagrant injustice to demand the same redress some-
what later, what a naval faros happened to be is
these seas. _ _

Lord ABERDEEN quoted YOWL, and pictured
forth many imailiary cases. The actual case,
however, as we as its philosophy, he totally
forgot. It was this : What is to be done
when a government or • court inflicts wrongs
and refuses redress to the subjects of • certain
country, from political hatred to that country ? We
have a case of this at Naples, as Lord LANSDOWNE
instanc:d. French and English subjects have both suf-
fered wrongs at Naples. The French wrongs have been
redressed, the English wrongs are not. Why ? Because
the English government is more liberal in Italian poli-
tics than the French one. In Greece it is
the same. England recommends constitutional
vernment in Greece; and for this reason, when the
subjects of all other countries get justice and redress
in Greece, Englishmen get none. Now all this may
be no doubt remedied by our having a tory govern-
ment—one that will sympathise with all the despots
in Europe, and consequently be in faro= with those
octets, and those dependent oat them. But even if
the feelings of the people of this country would suffer
them, it would not save us in all cases. From whence
does the long-enduring or easily-awakened enmity of
the French towards us proceed, but from the STAN-
LETS and ABERDRENS of the last century having
leagued with the despots of Europe against them ?

NITIFTERIOUS paragraphs have been going the
round of the papers, concerning bills of indictment
said blues been found at the Old Batley, against
certain persons in the service of the London Dock
Company. In yesterday's impression we published
a letter, addressed by its chairman to the first
minister of the crown, complaining of proceedings
taken by the customs' department against his com-
pany. The letter does not explain the facts, but him
highly necessary that they should be known. It is
not true that any "true bills" have been found
against any officers of the company, but it is true
that against some of them proceedings at law are at
present pending, and it is right to the individuals
and most necessary to the public, that all the facts
should be explicitly declared.
It seems that foe several mouths put a warfare has
been carried on by the Commissionersol Customs against
the Dock Companies of London. For a long series of
years these two authorities have gone on together
harmoniously and hand in band. Latterly, however,
the Customs have experienced the singular advantage
of a change of officers in one of their departments.
The new authorities are "sharp men", wide awake to
everything like evasion, and extremely desirous to
signalize themselves. They have accordingly com-
menced their career by an attack on the Dock Com-
panies, who we make no doubt will end by convincing
them that they have run their heads ignobly against
a wall.

17.;;Z.:

LONDON; TUESDAY, JUNE 18.

The attack was commenced upon the St. Katha-
rine's, the smallest and least powerful of the three
companies on this side of the Thames. Over the St.
Katharine's the Customs counted on a comparative)
easy victory. They caused their officers to ransack
their premises, and to make unlawful seizures and
detentions, to the great hindrance of basin.= and the
scandal of the mercantile community. They then
proceeded to attack the London Dock Company. It
is proved that they actually sent round their
officers to mercantile houses in the City,
to circulate false repor:s of the proceedings of the
company; and the directors charge the Customs
authorities with even • worse offence than this, for
they accuse them of "offering bribes to persons in
the company's service to make disclosures of tome-
thing supposed to be wrong," and with " taking into
the pay of the government men of the worst charac-
ter, discharged by the directors for being detected in
malverestions in the decks."

Ss such for the dined charges against the Own-
nay. But whilst all this was going he ward it
appears that the Caste= were engaged is under-
mining the repatatica ei the Deck Companies is a
way so extraccdthery that were sot the facts admitted
we should almost doubt the possibility of any
department of the goverment taking such pro-
ceedings. It seems that early is the month of
April °Eons al the Csalloses were employed to go
round to all the principal marchantsof London toafford
them affleial intormatioa that the Dock Companies had
runiteml foe their own purposes eessiderehle qua-
titles oreargoes entrusted to their charge. Messrs.
Beano, Brothers, were intsrmed that " there
was a cask of sugar, az Lion, lying in the
dock warehouses which belonged to them. Mena.
Mmenno and ANDERDOR MOM told that a cask of
saw' ex Tropic, from Anima, had been purloined
from them by the company. Mans. COLLMAN and
STOITERFOHT were requested to claim another cask
of sugar, landed ex Robert, "of which the company
had given so account." Messrs. Case ELLI and Co.
were similarly iestreeted i and so were many other
merchants, who took no nodes of the matter. When
these charges came to be inquired into, it
vArezed that they amounted to just this
boxes or oaks of mar are mulled or
weighed there is always a small quantity which finds
its way from the crevices upon the floor. This is
scraped up for the sake of cleanliness and pet into a
separate hogshead marked with the name of the ship
tram which the sago is landed. The new, or
" scrapings" so co lected the Comp's, retain.
" Sweepings and scrapings " ban been their perqui-
sites from tine immemorial. They sell the
dirty "agar thus collected to a contractor who uses it
up for the " hardbake" sad " lollipops • familn,to
Ithe juvenile population of this city.- In the mores of
the year the company may make a trigs in nese-
'queues it is calculated that the merchant on his
part loses from three farthings to toupee°. according
to the strength of his casks. The Company of course
pay duty to the Customs cm these =spiels,
so that the Customs have nothing to com-
plain of. Yet it was about this that
they thought it nursery to send messengers
to every merchant in the Me trop imputing dia-
-1 honesty to the Dock Companies, and interfering in the
most unnecessary and dishonourable way between
those companies and their customers.
But the Customs did more than this. In the course
of the month of March, they absolutely prooeeded to
put under seiner* a quantity of "scrapings" found in
one of the company% warehouses. These scrapings
were from casks of sugar landed by the ships Pallas,
Islander, Candidate, Sylph, and Lady Hilda. The
number of casks so landed was 2,788 ; the weight of the
sugar 40,724 cwt. The " scrapings" from the fireships
amounted altontber to 150 cwt., including all the
chips, brick dust, rubbish, and dirt from the landing
waiters' boots. The utmost value of these screpings to any
one of the importers concerned was nicely calculated
according to the quantity represented on his invoice.
In some instances it 'mounted to twopence-farthing;
in one case it roes as high as 4s. 1 ltd. The Customs,
however, considered it their duty "to protect the
public interest" by seizing this "sugar," dirt and all.
The value of the goods which passed through the
hands of the London Dock Company in the year
ending February, 1850, was 190,5601. ; the net value
of the sweepings during the onetime was 364118.10 d.
The value of the " seizure" made by the Customs may
therefore be accurately judged of.
Determined, however, that these matters should re-1
oeive the fullest amount of investigation, the London
Dock Company employed Messrs. HUMPHREYS, the
Old Bailey attorneys, to go down to the docks, and
make a searching examination, with a view to find
out all the peccadilloes that could be detected, if
there were any. The visit of such eminent
investigators put the docks into commotion.
One gentleman—an assistant foreman in the
company's service—immediately abdicated. He
wrote to his employers on the 27th of May, that
in consequence of the enquiries now being'
made " be felt extremely uneasy," and on the 30th of
May the London Dock Company received a letter
from the Custom-house, informing them that this
uneasy gentleman having communicated to the solici-
tor of the department circumstances connected
with the scrapings out of the docks it',
had been deemed expedient to take has evidence
on the part of the crown ! Upon this uneasy
gentleman's evidence the Superintendent of the Lon-
don Docks, the Inspectors, a principal watch-house
keeper, and other of the company's officers have been
arrested, and now await their trial should any jury
find true bills against them. The principal charge
on which they stand accused is that of selling a quan-
tity of " black stuff;," consisting of " filth, saw-
dust, oil from the truck wheels, lime,
and other kinds of matter" adhering to the
main gangway of the sugar warehouse, and which
have been disposed of to a Serum-bailer instead of
being removed by a Scavenger. Under what clause of
the new tariff this stuff is liable to duty no one
knows—unless it comes under the general head of
"articles not otherwise enumerated." But it is in re-
spect of such a matter that the Customs have thought
it right to quarrel with the directors of the Dock
Companies, and to make an effort to bring the port
of London generally into disrepute.
The docks of London were constructed by its mer-
chants equally for the protection of their property
and the protection of the revenue. Prior to their con-
struction plunder on the river had attained a height
which no police were able to repress. The crown lost
proportionately to the merchant. The dock compa-
nies stept in. They made good to the merchant
the losses arising from either carelessness, mismanage-
ment, or dishonesty : they made good to the revenue
the losses arisirg from frauds or defalcations.
But the Dock Companies did more. By the respon-
sibility which they assumed they enabled the Customs
to reduce considerably the number of its servants.
They consequently secured an important saving to the
11 state. They employed their own time and that of
1 their officers in endeavouring to protect the revenue.
They have succeeded in doing so, no doubt, to an ex-
tent that it is wonderful to contemplate. When we
look at the value of the goods deposited annually at
the docks we cannot fail to be struck with the enor-
mous value the Customs most derive from the co-ope-
ration of the dock authorities. At this moment we
are told there are six articles deposited in the London
Dicks alone, the duties on which will produce to the
revenue no lees than fifteen millions.

The first open attack however was made in February ;
when the Solicitor of the Customs wrote a lawyer's
letter to the Londnn Dock Company, calling on them
to pay • sum of 601. due as duty on 12 bogs of coffee
; landed ex ate Dabs of York from Rio Janeiro. So
unpreoeden'ed an application o ccasioLed great sur-
prise. Mr. row Les, the Secretary of the London Dock
Company, immediately replied that " the claim
itself had no foundation whatever in fact." "The bags
of coffee ex Duke of York had every one of them been
I weighed in the warehouse, agreed with the quantity re-
ported, and entered by the ship, and the supposition
that more came on shore rested simply on the tide-
waiters' assertion." The Dace Company consequently
left the Customs to prove their charge. What
did the Customs do? Not one single step did
they take until the 17th April, when the
London Dock Company wrote again press-
ing upon them to decide the cue. They then
made some sort of an investigation, the result of
which is not known. On the Ist of May the Dock
Company ventured to inquire "whether this claim
was persevered in or withdrawn ?" The Customs
replied that " the investigation would proceed with
all possible despatch." On the 28th of Mey (four
weeks after) Mr. POWLEn again " requested the
favour of an answer." Up to this date no arewer
has been received!
Case No. 2 was of a different character. For
two years there had been noted in the warehouses of
the London Dock Company a large quantity of cocoa
landed from a vessel called the Hereford. Early in
April this cocoa was claimed and ordered for removal.
Upon this "the officers of her Majesty's Customs de-
sired, for their own satisfactioo, to reweigh the par-
cel," and they found that the weights did not agree
with those they had registered on the landing of
the cargo. Thereupon they declared—what? Why,
that as errors had been discovered, delivery would
only be allowed on duty being paid upon the excess.
The effect was that the owners would have to pay to
the Crown a considerable sum of money beyond the
duty on the quantities they purchased and received.
The London Dock Company immediately remon-
strated. They enclosed certificates from seven of
the most experienced brokers in London, showing
that cocoa well liable to gain in weight during the
damp semen, and to lose in weight during the sum-
mer months. They observed that it was "accordant
with experience that an article of a dry and absorbent
nature should imbibe moisture in damp weather,
which evaporated again in dry weather." But the
Customs do Lot care for nature. They know nothing
of absorbents. "They saw no reason to depart from
their order." And so there the matter rnta.
Case No. 3 was even more extraordinary. On the
Bth of April the Solicitor of the Customs wrote to the
London flock Company, requiring payment of
• 121. 12e. duty for 14 hags of sugar ex Beulah, from
Manilla. The company replied as follows:
• Is reply to your letter of the Bth feet , we hes to serteist
yea that Mean. Sync, Wixom, and Teesdale will appear

The Earl of Carlisle had a dinner party on Satur-
day, at his residence in Grosvenor-plan.
It is said that Mr. Hayti: moose& Mr. Tallinn in
the function of ministerial whipper-in.
Yesterday Mr. Gage and Mr. Fogarty, the chair-
man sad vicereitairman of the Parish Parlimusaimy Mater
Committee of Liverpool, mmospanied by their solicitor,
Mr. Groom, had se interview with Lord Bowden, the
aewly•appointed minister to Madrid, se to the preemtation
la the House of Lords, of the " monster petition" against
the Pike Act, for bringing drainage water from the dietetic
of Broughton, for the supply of the people of Liverpool. Lord
Howden, when informed of the evils from which the peti-
tioners sought protection frog their loedshipe, cordially
undertook to present and support the petition.

CORN.—Craxwouria, Juno 17 —WI hove to-day no
alteration la the Urine of any deneription of grain. Wheat continue
flre, with a moderate eonetutpliva demand. Wheat, W. to lOi. 10a.
per
2e. load. Dorian /On tolkla. par qr. Oats, 17a. to 23.. beam, 17a.
to 3
HADLlrtale, June 17.—Today we had a fair supply of
Wheat, sad but little of oilier grain ; Wheat wan taken chiefly by the
millers, at fell prime. no little of spring corn comes to hand now,
that we bare woreely any variation in prices.

CATTLE. &e—roureasraa, Jane 15.—There was a
enperabondant supply of Sheep at market to-day, and the trade ruled
very brandy at the early part *the day ; b. indtsee sale% lower priors
were ask, d, and before the close a comiderable number changed
panda. The show of Beasts was also large, and the vales were few, in
consequence of the demand being very slick ; the prime of But week
were but in kw ins:emcee eadathed. ike P* trade was extremely
lat. Supply : Sheep and Lambe. 6,610 ; Boots, 460 , Pigo, 310;
Calve% 26; Loans and Prinks. 64.
LIVRAPOOL, 4,011 i 17.—Oar market is this day mall
for ant* the principal pert of which being peas fed, and of choice
quality for the memos, commanded considerably Wither prices than
bare been obtained for some time past. Sheep and lambs in less sup.
ply, both of which ccessmansi a ready sale at improved prime, Beef
41d. to Sid. =Won, Skt. to 6d. ; Lamb, 6d. to 61d. per lb. 1,266
besets • 9,676 sheep aad lambs.

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SHIPPING INTIILLIGIINCR,

Nottwica, Joao 16.—We. Itimogslo to report a tolerable
'how of fleets end short-haws; there were a good many sales effected.
at, for Scots, to. to as. Ild.; short-horns, 2a. ad. to 3e. per atone of
1411 n., whoa fat. Pat Beasts • good show, and all sold at from Gs. to
as. ad. per atone. The pens were well fined, and a good dements of
Ewes and Lamb., at from 2.51. to 40s. per oottp'.e, w...ording to age,
Mee, erndltion, and guitar. There were only a few linnets at mar.
tot, and a short number ot titt Sheep, at In In Gs. &I. to Gs. ad, per
stone. Good acrd Pigs, 13e. to Its. per head. Pat Pork, 4a. to
Y. Gd. per Mos.

TUE vote in the House of Lords, 169 against 132,
condemnatory of the foreign policy of the government,
will, we fear, ba attended with many important and un-
toward results. Those who have struck it will do
their best to prevent its natural effect of breaking up
the ministry, their aim being only to damage it, put
another shot in its wing, and allow it to limp on a
maimed existence. But its effects on our foreign
relations will be disastrous. France, which has played
the most treacherous part in the affairs of Greece,
ceasing Greek resistance, and exacerbating the quarrel,
wia nnw be enabled to support Lord ABERDEEN in
the complete re-establishment of Greek pretensions.
These go to make England pay for the losses oc-
casionel by the detention of the Greek ships, which
will be made as a set off against our share of the in-
terest en the Greek loan. So that io fact it will be
England that will have to pay FINLAY and PACIFICO.
No Whig ministry or minister can be base enough to
preside over much a humiliation of England. It is
only fit fur a STANLEY and an ABERDEEN.
The debate was not a satisfactory one. As Lord
WARD observed, it was a coward's blow aimed where
the person struck at c•.uld not acswer. It wculd
have been more manly to have attacked Lord PAL-
mv.RwroN in the Commons.

Meow our

111.1ppl Ng Ghaette.....4

MVIR OP OaD MARNIT.—At this market, on Wednesday,
there was • very small simply of cremes, though a fair show in num.
hers end quality of Highlanders and Highland cream. A number of
east and month country buyers were in the market, and the few lots of
crosses itzbibiled were soon picked up, et, an improvement in primer
from 26 to I pee gent on those of last market; keep in the interval
falls, however, to be deducted. In the ateenee of mamas, Highlander,
were in demand, thqugh the inquiry certainly was not briak. They
partteipated, however, In the improvement is value. The only lot of
crows of any mequenee eoesisted of II fat cattle from Lovat,
which were Alden
at 111. per bead. Cross dirk., ene year old, were
sold at 21.105. There were only one or two small lom of bheep on
the ground ; and a very few homer, of indifferent quality. The rise in
prices is attributed to the abundance of gran in the south.
BRUNEI( TRINITY Muni TRYIT.—This great
fair commenced on W , with a splendid eollection of sheep,
• greet t onion of width was roes the northern diehards. The market
opened rather shay, dealers not feeling inellned to give the prices
asked. However, es the (ley wore on, sales began to be made slowly.
Prime fat titeck-tmed wethers sold at from Id. to 56d. per lb. In the
wool ; three-year.old hill +ethers were disposed of at from 121. to
M. per soma; Ewes and lambs brought from 12f. to 161. lOs.
On 'fhtireday the show of Cattle WU a full average as to
number, but there were not so many prime fat as we have
seen In former years on the Muir. Owing to the great fall
of rain with which we have been favoured during the week,
which has raised hope. of • good gram crop, the cattle dealers
eructed the market in high spirits, and a great portion of the beet
Cattle were off the smote henna twelve o'clock. Prime fat brought
readily 6e. 6d. to 7s. per Dutch stone; three-year.olds from 131.
and two-year-olds of the best sort., H. to 111. By the afternoon
• greet portion of the better sorts of Cattle changed owners, but
many of the iambi. sorts were turned out unsold. The Horse mar-
ket en k'riday were expected to he a good one. Hor e dealers are
standing up fur high prices for it aid saddle and draugh. Mimes, and
they generally seem more confident than for some time previous.

The London Dock Company, feeling strongly the
injury and interruption which these proceedings of
the Customs must cxc =Rion to the port of London,
have throng)! their Chairman addressed themselves
to the Prime Minister on this important subilict,
Whether Lord Jouw RUSSELL will attend to
complaints we do not know; but we do know a power
mightier far that will give this subject earnest and
attentive audience. Public Opinion will not in this
instance be appealed to in vain; and before that
audience the Dock directors may fairly lay their case.

The ground for attack appears to us to have been
ill chcsen. No rational man will deny that the con-
duct of the Greek court was contemptuous, and gave
cause for redress. Nor can any one fora moment
suppose that redress could have been obtained, and a
recurrence of injury atd insult prevented, except by
the employment of force. But if, admitting all this,
perms were to ask, was the tim- well chosen,
or, were it not better to bear all the flouts
and scorn that the court of Athens could inflict, than
at a moment when we had serious causes of difference
with Russia, commit an act that might alienate
France from us, and place her and Russia together,
actuated by the same feelings towards us ?—such
questius as these the partisans of our Foreign Secre-
tary would be no doubt prepared to answer ; but de-
cidedly they were the ones difficult to answer.
Instead, however, of any such line of argument,
Lords STANLEY and Mimosas undertr•k to show
that there were none, or but trivial cause", of com-
plaiat. Aced they sought to establish the same theo►y
as that set up by the Minister of Russia, which is,
that British subjects aggrieved, haves right to repeat
no more redress than would be given to a native,
or sueb u the courts of the country would
afford. But this surely resolves itself into the
quad= of whether the country is civilised, whether