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at'„.6l-nows taboo. My boa. friend the member illem
w="7,l; illrmmood) says yes meld to settle the
re, -1, be rine to settle the Sanger gt=g
?plus (Cheers.) The loaded intentele mys
hedleysa mortgagee. Contrasted, neellest. seder
be. ▪
iar„, May, hear.) 83 berdreed hate the!
toss" thee have so other shermstive, te
with drbß • ntl, but to is their propertim. When rad
sov boo. 17.1 ' ) Ueda preasedea. Can there be
tee" then,
this
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• ) (-aters.) • But, admitting time see these heavy
revue • that presses are boreseriag mosey sew at 41
sad
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pay m ham Mika wkm to
era ,Seist' the hew y
wao amt
3per COW. t
the our surplus? (Hese. The hopes el
17;;;j to leis
toulsture form
hr thesdimainectemeasewitm
let pabiketelliili=
that ',minium:nal deo public t
ens toot hoed speak go lightly. I edi kiesta=meness
~- • • hall have the effect of deetrayfres geglialelle Is Me
'credit will eligible him totriumple ke • eueyshege (op
;,,—e• ttec,l over the public creditor ; for at the limb @tribes •
bio-„ 1:s the public creditor, he will be stalking • Meer at tko
wiled intense (Hear, Peer and load Meek) Tberelere,
t the formal and th' a financial c sedition et the
100.01 pyopsnl, i
I would wonder t • most unw , mprevident,
vestry.
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precipitate act you could commit if you were to adopt the
so dee How bit possible to noahltaxas unduly bearing on
tae sortalteral interest it you Moose to say that you will
resod the 'large r.ow bearing ea nal property? (Hear,
) Tens are guestioas of the utmost importaute
coa-
aeeted with the revision of duty. I will take the duty ea
brine; sad I say that if by any mere trudge of taxation
you precluded the Chem:eller d the Reclines, hem fairly
coneilering whether the brick duty altould be removed or
ea& d.you world be taking a coons most injurious to meows
n run. See how unfairly this duty on bricks presses. There
Is o part of the country aboundiag in state and coal, welsh
pesogette advantages for building. Thera is another part
without seal and stone, and which has bricks ealy. And
keno lea heavy duty of the cache prevendai the free appli-
Whoa of that article to the construction of horn. (Hear,
hear.) Upon email gat the duty on bricks removed to a
&Murtha a income of 600,0001 you would be mosfening
e Mean keen on real property than you ere delag by the
present mottos. All real property would be improved by •
reseed of the duty on mucks. (Hear.) Tate the sanitary
Malice of tours. Caa anything afford more ameatial
Uvular this this removal ? You all know the direct
newest you have, se agriculturirts, ia kakis* 'm,
▪ to make Iroved farm building'. 1 believe
t in farm buildings will be one great came
of▪ ago sakwet presperity—that it will be of the almost int-
pwtasw Well, but see how the benefiont designs of the
L this rages: an thwarted by as guise duty ea
bristle ! Tale duty, moreover, opposes as impediemat to the
exercise of skill and ingenuity is the matimiteMers of the
article. BMWS the brick duty, sad see whet as lamellate
edema.* the agyisulturist will derive from the abolition of
such a preueiary_burden, sad so iseeseesi sa (ionise of
skill. (sear) Have hoe manbere teed the pun just
le.l epee the tabie on the operation of the law of settle-
ment ? Ti. eossideration of that quake will be forced
upon you. It wield be premature to eater epee it now.
But I wish yew to read the Isparta at the three gentlemen
who have made the raper's, sad who Redoubled the &Moult,
ansiog from the want of cottages be the labourers in
roma dirtnete. Yea will there see the effect upea the
tesith and comfort of the labouring peer, tamed by the
voromforable dwellings in whisk they voids. Is same
instances labourers cone to the hems spas deakeye—(bud
IsJeltter and cheers)—in conarteesees of the diseases the
few are from their abed. II sech is eke senditien at the
.tiers that, in order to get employment upon a an&
Lam there are not less than tweedy donkeys
TUTS Of itughter, tad sheers)—lt is • uselansbely dues.
stun re. It may be a 'abject for rielionik bat le k
pc:cretin of very utioss eoasequegi nagogro.
e,,,deirog of comfortable corteges ler them paer
ma by al
rite the brick duty. Alter year law 01
genii meet, couider the law of suds meat la ere&
plaction with all those other marten of whisk yes give
vote, ;middy not by • sudden vote preclude peruke* from
meideneg whether you might sot advance the interests M
the poorer classes by the removal of the brisk duty. (Cheers.)
In the present state of the public revenue, I will wait until
1 hear the mural statement of the Chaneedier of the Ea-
ceNue. We en speaking at a peculiar period. Nut
year tee gaieties of the income tax must be brought eider
he'll,. I leer, hear.) It may be of imports*** to con-
par tees whether that tax should be ceatiseed,
tad. if esatinued, what modifications it should ander-
po ; bat by adtpting tbe moths of to night you
wid marl the continuance of the Leeman tax.
(Cheers. sad revs of "No no.") If yea de not,
may a
tatted tercel's Me import duties on food. (Loud in
risi teem.) lire mean to appropsiate the surplus of this
and firre vests, then, lodged, you do manifest what your
istertin S— gamely, that which the hon. 'amber for Sur-
rey stated it to be the other night, that every 'Miele im-
ported tem foreign countries should pay duty. (Renewed
rs chee. I The same hon. member mid that the straggle
gene on was one between capital and labour, money and Bk.
My km. foetid is a great advocate for labour against capital,
for lie against money; and what is the opine he advises?
To raver tarsi n Irani capital and place it upon labour.
(Btu hear.; Nay, more, he says he never will be s %defied
until tee labourer can make his owe bricks, collect his own
hops, and Drew his own malt Well, but why will he net
siso never rest until the 'Amer can eat his baeoe whiteout
duty of he imports it from abroad ? (Hear, hear.) Why
wi:i he not allow es to repeal the duty an bricks?
(Cheers, end cries of "Oh ! I say you an taking
a tsars, which will not allow us to take the duty'
cE brick,. (Load cheers.) Now, what this pro-
posai be so far as the occupying tenant is concerned ? My
two belief is, that the occupying tenant would derive some
ben. ht. But lit us estimate the full automat of that. This
s proposal to relieve, sot the land, but real peoperty from
a there to which it is subject. Tee charge is V. 00,0001.,
and it Is to be trasskrred from real property to the consoli-
dated :eve'. Let us consider tons cot the circumstances con-
nected with this. This is not • tax upon tad exclusively ;it
is a tax upon real property. The proportion in which
load contributed to this tax has been constantly
diminish*, sad in esesequence of the program of mann-
henrys that pretioa MA& falls upon others has been
lumen( In 1827, 1,180,0 Xll. of the 2.000,0001. would
have bees petd by the land. In 1833, the land paid
1.2473.9•01 ; in 1841, 1,040,0001. ' • tad in 1819, only
etti,!vod. Sinn 1527, then, there has been a tendency t 3
nem tee landed interest by transferring the charge to
other property. By the removal of the 2,000,0001. you will
...triune the remission of 100,0001. en landed pro-
perty. 1,169 00;" on other descripthons of property,
con-isting of mills and manufactories, the owners of
which ease been directly benefited by recent legida-
eve change,. ( Hear, hear.) Up to the proses% hoar
we have heard that the landowner' have bees sacrificed by
the millowners—that the Manchester school has been predo-
minant. and that the reduction of provisions has been for
their inhales busk. Well, in order to gain • remission of
bastion to the amount of 900,0001., you are going to
ne ye the owners of these mills of a burden of 1,100,0001.,
to which they are subject, and whisks le constantly
incensing upon them. What Is the benefit the
occupying tenant receives from this ? It is about threepence
or Emmen in tee pound, but he will have to bear su-
mmed tuition in order to make up the transfer of the
1,1(30001 ( Hear, heat) It is my firm impression, then,
that the eeeupyiag tenant will derive ao benefit whatever—
note to health him for the lass be will sustain. (Hear,
bear) This, therefore, is an impolitic motion. My belief
L, that sericulture, the landed intense, the occupying
tenant—will dad their interest mach Wier consult ed by
leaving it open to consider whether any poetise of the public
tares can be removed than by taking off this per mange in
the pound, and leaving all the other questions aatsseked.
((;been.) Bo tar as irtis interest is concereed, 1 to the
propoial. I object to it on smother it is a
reversal of that financial policy meetly ma In 1842 the
apportioasseat of public taxed= was seed aajust._ Labour,
sad thoss who lived by labour, wen widely butane& sad
there wet scarcely say While which woe set heavily charged.
Chum, batter, bacon, and everything coanmed, If brought
from a fersige country, was subject to high taxation. The prices
of those articles were reduced by free oompetition and un-
restricted import from foreign countries. (Hear, hear.)
Now, you are about to remove from real property
a thane of 2,000,0001, and to {tapas that upon
lbw who were unduly aggrieved by the pressure of taxation
in 1912, and whom you relieved, and whose affection and
(attitude you resolved in return. (Hsu, hear.) Some
tempting' ef the tea duty, others of the soap duty, sad others
of tho window tax, bat you are postponing tee considers-
tioa of all the. questioruo by appropriating the sumbie—
placing the shags of real property on the soemilidated
fund. I object to the justness of that transfer, but
I do not say there may not be some har-
dens now borne by the land to which re-
lief might be given. (Hear, hear.) I admitted is
'46 the land was unduly burdened, and I than attempted
to give it relief by transferviag charges on the consolidated
fund ; and I us not prepared to say that fall relief was given
In that ',met. (Hear, hear.) My main objection to the
proposal is, that it is a reversal dike financial policy of the
i'vetry, sad that our welfare is intimately connected with
the relied of industry and commerce. (Cheers.) I have
be, r. char/red, as the house is well aware—exposed to,
rh,rdee tr,r the last three or four months—to the revival of
oweee—of having acted unfaithfully and treacherously
to the landed interest. Well, u fu as inten-
tom it &interned, I entreat you to consider whe-
tter
ia li
I couldi, have had eel ',Primal or political
objects
the counsel which I gave, and Ia mots-
anndicu the measures which were adopted. (" Hear,
hear," and load cheers.) Admitting that there ought to be,
with revert to the conduct and olives of public men, the
utithet latitude of discumios, I will not complain of any lit-
tle term of language used towards me. The only charge I
will refer to is one that was brought against me by a noble
lord, the member for Nottingbamehire (Lord H. BentinehL
who not only imputes motives, but who publicly die
elan d at a meeting la his meaty that 1 had a
porde and personal interest is recommending those
ehat•stes of the law which I recommended in 11847.
I thine it would be as well it we abstained from impede,
to each other thabOttlet lIIOdIIIIII. (Hear.) I skald be (16.1
Inept to /me to the sable iced, In say amuse which be
?vet take, credit ler the purity of his motives, even wkile
1 ought ;sneer agoinst sad dem:vanes his asessairse. Tao
soh(' lord hoe aot treated me with that sensiekwatiora. He
not only thinks that my course has bus moot impolitic—be
not only thinks that I have bete unfaitlahl to the late-
"' which I wee bowed to support, bet the sable lard rye
that I was inheritor' by esadderstiess of private
“."407 kis in *denies these matures. lead the noble
me loud his charge stalest MO upon this allegatioa—that
=Welt in fanded property far exceeded the interest
had in lead. The noble lord bad condescended,
nap's'', to make inquiry into my private circumetaassee

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West ny lahmet Sad woo eel, she-bank et *interest
whin 1 had it the toads, sad that Asian I bad a
direst mein la airless the meal of the sort
laws. Well, nevi de use deptaaaa may Merano whisk
the mills Mod, if he Wake it eassisteat with his rehab
dsty, may think k M make May private eireametaaess. I
mut say I *soli ban home with a
san km eqsasimity
**demise erlioh Imo beembeeastet gnate me it I dem-
ons* loyalty sail modestia tale any eat, path& or
nemeeted Mit nay "nib lay ; hat I haws • right
se impish if the mils lord *sushi it RMS. to Margo
me with pawn sienna, sad fonadod *et dingo upon
ohms Lase of my private Mat" I_ thigh I lave a
right So require front the aside lost that he slink
make himself mars of the hots, sad this le should
not peke a charge ups ea anamptlea whisk is needy as-
fosadad. I shall set trouble the beam with Mermen to
privets manses; I shall any say, if the noble Ind had bap-
pawn to state welly the reverse of that whisk he AM _outs,
he would have ban mask saner the Wadi than he was.
(Hear.) AM I hope, thwalare, that the mike lord, bow-
nor aafainfal he may think Ni,r !owner
politic ay seellearea I do kepi the walk Lei
will email me of say_ Wanks to dories p
mkt hos the stew whale I bave peneed. adioe
ammo Ile seadost of a pablis asa as tremolos% XS
se obis pia to plass senseless fa the dhotis. Is With
Oboe polite wan is plated, sad Os swelter Ile duty ohlib
deollosamea bin. When I aoi awe alto uMi, whoos
hewed all as, daosenieed that k wee eve deer Is pewees
to the holdstore the No. of the du= hod, we
seen theesigaed pulsator sad is alegai_ep
It wog impasible fee as knew to what salsa we
threater amen( the food of a large psetha et
the pee* ot Irelead edglit go. We bow
this, that in Inland alone four Willow of pen=
der aided ■ ate artists of mbeastssee, we ham thalami
moral Mira wee seriously threatsnod. gime
say hr am that I did feel k my dsty ; I felt key dolly m
a }ebbs sea to take proontiams, men if they Medd be
sieeses, against the reearreille of • calamity whisk
be fatal to the ppeewaw. el tin money sad fatal to the
of may thoarads. Nay more, I die Inane
that it would not be soniseive to the Mona
et the sheisoltagal dosses to see the slut et
disease oaf gimlet, sat psi te Woo die aellasel
esseedy. wady, Imeesad mesas of siabshOmes. (Obsess.)
I did elm bases that these deans saes emorial ht the ale
• pablle opiates gad the smalls. for sovhol of sees
hake ease day bad bees area e=wM Movie new)
the woes et the had. The
had ewes Ss the some goackeirre. The seedbed Ali net;
I Winn, intend to cabana the souse sow Wig.
bat Ike noble lord had use to the sans eosin
sits, that the duties out sera eaglet to bo rkzealed,
to be suspended, and that after i
their revival would beimpoenlie, at last
out a men, which woobe Sinks* to them hr whose
interest they were levied. That was my derione belief. I
thought it a duty, a duty which I owed te aud to this
country
inhere sea. &ease et wise he like the peseta
tioss which .Mae geoid be taken by ampleing these duties.
I conscisatiously believed that .Its that easpouslon it
would be met unwise to give • please hr the revival and re-
newal of those duties as they thetas:Wed. 1 may have boss
mistaken, bat all subsequent events have proved that we
were sot mistaken—(leer, bear)—that tho souses which we
took was a wise one. Could I for personal or political ob
pets have forfeited your confides.., have rellaqableed
ad exposed rayself to abuse sad vituperasica, mad to the
loss of confidence, which was more martiteisig that mythias
else? The interval that has passed has only coafirnsiv
belief ia the pendulum of the cams which we nul
mei the tangy et thews somesercin prin
kpT4
waidi were acted apes subsequat to the year 1842,
gad se which the pmeat government has, infinitely to
sednaction, steadily and goasisteatly adhered. I mann
epee with the hon. gmetkann that las ea enemy to the
fad. All ny prejudices, sympathise, sad interests are ens-
anted with it. I agree with tha am. petunia& that the
Mad is the staple, the basis of oar preperity. Deeply should
I deploys the day when the lead lost its legklativit influence.
Bly belief is that the lead will always retain its Legislative
Mimes. You are sew tellirs me that if there was •
diesolatioa and a am election a parlismisat would be
moron which would side revive peotestios. I totally
differ from you as to the result. It is ny firs belief that
protection never will, ad amen as be revivod. (Chien.)
Bat you convince se that the joy influence of laad is sot
diminished when yoga prophesy that it will return to parlia-
ment a majority. The laps dein*, the changes of institu-
tions ad mamma asks peat cheeps in the
causes which contribute to the influents of lands
property. It would be utterly iespossibls to cloths
the land now with the privileges which it pea
wised at the time the feudal system prevailed. AU I.
mutations hays been comptilsd to change and modify the
grand ea which they maintained their mosadaacy. Queen
Victoria coma speak to the house of parliament in the
tone in which Queen Elisabeth did ; but I doubt whether
tbe influence of Queen Victoria, although groat prerogatives
bays been relinquished—l doubt whether the influence of
Qom Victoria, the inflame* of affection, of attachment,
of wither obedieace, is not greater than my which
Qases lilisabseb ever had. (Cheers.) Be it has been with
the privileges of the aristocracy; so it has been with the
privileges of Me House of Commons. There was a time
when he who fished is your Bah-pond would be apprehended
and punished for having oomnitted a breach of privilege.
You have mods • wise tioacenion to justice, you have waived
these ptivil.gee, but has your legitimate influence been
abated ? No, bat it has been derived from other
souses. Your willingly abandoning that which
could net be justly maintained has given you an
ample compensation in power. And so it is with the
land. The pond retention of old customs, of old privileges,
would wily undermine and not increase you power. In
my opio ion your relinquishment of protection was more
to your permanent advantage, more conducive to the main-
tenance of your real authority, than the having a Severe
struggle for its maintenance would have been. My belief is,
that by relinquish' protection, by giving to the poor and
to the labouring dares the advantage of unrestricted
imports—by doing that when then was no im-
mediate menace of violence, no threat—my opinion
is, that you has received ample compensation
for that which you relinquished. Your just influence can.
not be relinquished. It is founded on ancient institutions,
on the nature of our nustitatioa ; it is founded on your high
character, and depend upon it it will not be abated, because
you have refused to receive pecuniary advantage by in.
creasing the price of food, and impanel; restrictions as
trade. I contend also that your interests are in-
timately interwoven and corrected with the pros-
perity of manufactures. My firm belief is that
protection is unattainable ; but I am worry that the gnomish
is not brought to the test by a distinct motion, on which the
opinion of the lions of Commons could be taken. If it
were brought forward, I should beg so state the grounds eel
length upon which I adhere to the principles on which I
acted in 1842, upon which I should implore yea
not to cheek that confidence which has bees reposed in
the justice and wisdom of parliament, and to trust lie the
revival of agricultural prosperity by continuing the sans-
ragentsnt of labour, by i es the demand for your peal
dues, by removing nay remasaing restriction on trade.
This country has advantages over every other country
in the world, passaged of skill in which we are superior, and
the command of every element of prosperity.. I would isa
pion you to trust to your superiority in all
the.. natural advantages, and never main to soak
your prosperity by restriction mos the efma
morn and the enterprise of your I.
This, sir, was my propoen, adopted in 18413lieenr=1:11
the condition of this country, coutimod by subsequent ape•
risme, and I hops I shall never live to Ise tho day when
the House of Commons will retrace its steps.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Before the house come to a dot km.
I teal it to be my duty to slats (at this late hour I shall dle le
as briilly se I can) the reams why, as • minister of
crown, s feel itsy duty to resist the motion of the him
potions& The Ma. gentleataa has come forward, sad hi
a speech of which the temper and ability is generally Miaow
leded, has proposed to us to go into • eammition on the
subject of the poor rotas, with a view to the relief
of the agriculturists. The hot. gentleman has told us
that it we go into committee, he shall propose three sena-
tints, of wnich the effect of the first will be to transfer to
the Consolidated Fund the whole expense of the establis
meat of the poor law. The hoa gentleman reckoned that
upwards of two millions might first be transferred; he
went on to say most fairly, not concealing his object, that
this was but one of a series at measures. Now, sir, I object
ia the first plan to the swan of the hoe. gentlemen,
Imam I think the allegation, that It is founded in jostles,
sad Is required by justice, has not been proved. lint if it
wen proved that this sacrifice was a emaedaA_ by jun.
Ike, I ask then how it could be contesisi
She remaining 10.000,000 i. are to be disposed of ?
The claims of jesting apply to the whole 12,000,81 K
a well as two millions. I say, then, that the right lem.
peatienan the member for Ripen was perfectly well hoodhol
whoa he said that he contemplated this was not the whole
Nap, bat some 14 or 18 Bilious would follow the
But an the next place I do not think there is any jtZrit
this claim, it you compare the whole burden of the sometey,
as laid on its various clams, that there is that unfair pen-
sure which the hon. gentleman says. And lot us coander
Low far the richer, as compared with the agricultural inte-
rest, are affected by taxation. With respect to the leicaos
duty, that duty does sot affect landed property, but It asses
the bulk of personal property. Then, again, in the Soma
tax theta is an isequality which I believe mast
be avoided bu: whisk cannot be denied—viz., that three
who obtain their imams by exertion of professional skill,
and when abilities to earn that jocose may cease at my
moment, are equally taxed with those who have an herds
try supply. Toon are upwards of 11 millions which are
raised op the excise. There are other excise customs to
which the hon. member for Ripon referred which affect those
clams, end induce them to contriltate in the greatest degree
to the taxation of th. country. So that Ido not blame that
as • general proposition, if it can be maintained that rents
are unfairly burdened, taking the whole taxation of this
country ; but suppose that On claim is not founded in jos.
tin, Ist nis consider U it is expedient to remove
this tax. On that subject I should not be tustitied in pre-
suming there would be a surplus of two millions, and this
bosse consinted to deal with I. If we come after the
estimates are voted, we eons to balance the estimates and
the expenditure of next year, and there will bs two millions
remaining; and if there are not two million reinsining as
surplus, the hon. gentleman would bate to propose new
WWI to defray this charge; but farther than that, I must say
that having increseed the debt of this country within the
last few year., it will be our duty, wieners the but:
the year asks forward, to see dearly that then
In all probability, a salvias of income above the
expenditure in the next year which may go to dilatable the
interest of the general debt. It would be more popular Uwe
should think it our duty to go on the revision of the Maths
gooey quarter ; bat I will not say we Send take that eagle