The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-10-24 00:00:00

for knowledge in the people. (Hear, hear.) Well, I put
parks for recreation under the head of education. I put our

Saturday evening concerts—the concerts at St. George's Hall
—under that head. (Great Applause.) And I think it is
the duty of the members of the council to promote such
education to the utmost of their power and ability. (Hear,
hear.) Have they done that ? You have a piece of land
known as the Newsharn-house estate. That cost £lOO,OOO
fifteen years ago, and I believe that it has not returned a gross
revenue of 11 per cent., nor ss net revenue of 1 per cent., I
daresay, and yet it has ne'er been laid out by your
representatives for your recreative purposes. Now, sir, I say
it is at once the duty of the council to place that

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Gladstone) would call upon Mr. Lloyd and many other
members of the council to undertake to reply to certain
questions that he was prepared to put to them in !the
Town-council on the subject of the property of the corpo-
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kingdom, but there was a nrevious question—did it stand
second? (Hear, hear.) Why should it not stand first ?
(Applause.) Were they in the present day to be told
that It was a gratuitous insult to any one where the inte-
rest was at stake, was so great for a ratepayer or other
member of the community to desire to be informed on the
momentous point—as to what the possessions of the cor-
poration were ? Let them turn to any one street in
Liverpool, and go to any official that moment in the Town
Hall, and ask him which was leasehold, which freehold.
which on lives, and he (Mr. Gladstone) pledged himself
that not one official could be found to answer it. (Cries
of oh, oh.) So far as his experience went, the members
of the council were in comparative ignorance of the
extent of the property of the corporation. He admitted
that they could tell the boundary on the west was the
Mersey—(great laughter)—and by some sort of conjuring
they might be able to guess at the boundaries on the north,
the south, and the east, but that they could tell what the
public generally knew of their individual property, he
most positively denied. (Cheers.) Mr. Lloyd, as he had
already said, protested against that statement of Mr.
Jeffery s, but if the protest were at all admissible, it
applied to the Town Council itself more than to Mr.
Jeffery. (Applause.) The council itself had already
decided that such a return should be made, and had
thereby admitted their own ignorance on the subject.
(Hear, hear.) If one were to credit Mr. Lloyd every
particular ceenected with the corporate property was to
be found in the report of 1833, but he (Mr. Gladstone)
would pledge his reputation that, in all the pages of that
volumes, there was nothing of that material and important
information which it was the object of his motion to
obtain. The report, indeed, recite,/ the various charters
under which the corporation held its titles, the list of its
officers, and some of the sources of its revenue, but
since the year 1833, there had been immense acees-
sions to the corporate estate. (Hear, hear.) In looking
at the report, it would be also seen how easily
the commissioners who had come down to make the
enquiry in 1833 were gulled, for they were quite satisfied
with the same total, which alone were to be found in their
report, without at. all requiring the details. (Laughter
and hear, hear.) The report, no doubt, was very well,
so far as it went, but they wanted to know more.
(Cheers.) They wanted to know the position—the
boundaries—the number of square yards—of any particu-
lar block of property—the tenure under which it was held,
and they wanted to have that so systematised that they
could obtain any information as to their property, without
being obliged, as at present, to sacrifice a considerable
portion of their time to obtain any knowledge without it.
(Hear, hear.) Mr. Gladstone then referred to the con-
templated retirement from the Council of Mr. Hugh
Hornby, and Mr. George Holt, and after paving a well-
deserved compliment to the ability and honesty with
which these gentlemen had always discharged their publics
duties, proceeded further to dilate on the management of
the corporate estate by the council. He would illustrate
it, he said, by one instance. He would take one
description of their property, that held by tenants
at will, which, in one particular locality, amounted
to £1,357 5s 9d. Ile alluded to Exchange-alley'
North. It was well known that in that particu-
lar space Mr. Lloyd's office was situated. (Hear,
hear, and laughter.) He did not blame Mr. Lloyd for
having his office there, but he blamed the corporation,
who, up to this very moment, allowed the premises in
Exchange-alley North, Eechanee•street West, to be let to
tenants at 30 per cent under their right value. (Hear,
hear.) Those who were acquainted with the value of land
in Liverpool, would bear him out in stating, that in the
last twenty years, property in the vicinity of the Exchange
had advanced to the extent of 20 or 30 per cent. (Loud
cries of " more, more.") He wished to be within bounds,
and he:took the increase at 20 per cent. Well, when did
they suppose the rents were last advanced
alley North? In the year 1838—(c
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conceiving the iniquity was too great, considerably
enhanced the rents—that was to say, he raised Mr.
Lloyd's rent, and the rents of all the others, to something
like from £BO to .el2O. (Hear, hear.) The Bank of
England, and he believed other public offices, did not let
any of their rooms under £5O, but he would like to know
how many *rooms Mr. Lloyd held at £5O a room ?
(Cheers and laughter.) Mr. Gladstone concluded in an
eloquent peroration, calling the meeting to know no dis-
tinction between men but their respective powers to do
good, and promote the common weal. lie resumed his
seat amid the most enthusiastic applause.
Here Mr. Cope came forward to propose a resolution,
when

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A Burgess stepped forward, and asked the following
question—" Is it a fact that Mr. Loyd asked the council to
consent to refund him the money he spent, over the usual
allowance for the year, when he filled the office of mayor ?"
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. Cope went on to say that the resolution he had to
propose was merely one for the appointment of a com-
mittee to carry out the last resolution. There were already
100 names on it, but they wanted more, and he was sure
they would all work well together, and in the hour of the
election he knew they would work so effectually that Mr.
Jeffery would be their representative. (Loud cheers.)
Dr. Jeffery seconded the resolution, which was passed
amid acclamation.
Mr. A. C. Stuart, T.C., then came forward to propose a
vote of thanks to the worthy chairman. He said he would
wish to have followed up the facts stated by Mr. Gladstone,
hut at that late hour he would not detain the meeting:
Perhaps, before the let of November, he would have an
opportunity of telling them smile more tales about the
corporation. He would propose a vote of thanks to the
chairman.

The motion was seconded by Mr. Robinson, and was
carried amid loud applause.
The meeting then separated, cheering heartily for Mr.
Jeffery, Mr. Gladstone, &c.

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