The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-12-15 00:00:00

NEW STREET,

The council ordered Plymouth Grove, within the township
of Chorlton-upon-Medlock, to be levelled, sewered, and drain •
ed, under the provisions of "the Mancheitor General Im-
provement Act, 1851."

On the recommendation of the Chorlton-upon-Medlock
committee, Mr. Councillor Fildes was elected a member of
that committee.

THE CITIZENS' LISTS.

The council' ordered payment of the expenses incurred in
the preparation of the citizens' lists for the year 1853-4,
amounting in all to £66 2s. 6d.

PARLIAMENTARY REGISTER OF VOTES.

The council received the account of the expenses incurred
in the revision and printing of the register of voters for
the borough of Manchester, for the year 1853-4,
the expenses amongst the townships as foliows :—Manchester,
£67 15s. ; Chorlton-upon. Medlock, £l3 Bs. fid. ;
£2O 6s. ; Ardwick, £5 95.; Cheetham, £8 11s. 6d.; New-
ton, £2 15s. 6d,; Harpurhey, 2s. 6d.; Beswick, 7s. 6d.;
total, I6s. 6d.
ADVANCES OF SALARIES OF OFFICERS IN TEE GAS
DEPARTMENT.

A report from the gas committee having been entered as
usual,

M. Alderman SHUTTLNWORTH then moved that the salary
of Mr. Jonas Croft, book-keeper in the gas department, be
increased from £l6O to £lBO per annual ; and that the salary
of Mr. Emanuel Turner, cashier and clerk in the same depart-
ment, be increased from £125 to £l5O per annum, and that
the advances take effect from the 24th of June last. The
recommendation to advance_ these salaries was made unani-
mously by the gas committee, and he trusted that the resolution
would be passed unanimously by the council.
Mr. Councillor flacncocK seconded the motion.

The motion was put, and carried unanimously.
PROPOSALS TO INCREASE THE SALARIES OF SUPERINTEN.
DENTS,TAYLOR, LEAKY AND SAYNOR.
Mr. Councillor MEDCALF then rose and moved : " That the
proceedings of the watch committee, on the 25th day of
August last, increasing the salary of superintendents Taylor,
Leary, and Saynor, from £l5O to £lBO per annumn, (the
consideration of which was postponed on the 14th September
last) he moved the same is hereby approved of." He said it
would be in the recollection of most of the gentlemen who
were there that day, that _the watch committee had recom-
mended, for some time past, that the salaries of the
gentlemen he had named should be increased. The
grounds for increasing the salaries had been so fully retailed by
the eommittee in their report which was presented to- the
council on the 14th of September last, that it was not needed
he should be otherwise than very brief in glancing at them. lie
ojbected to a practice recently adopted of questioning the acts
of the committee, for though he was perfectly ready to admit
that the council was justified on a general principle, to interfere
with anything the committee might suggest, they should always
remember that the committee were the best able to judge as to
what should be done with respe,t either to the remu-
neration of the servants of the corporation among
other matters that came before them. The watch com-
mittee had been charged with injustice towards the
superintendents of police, inasmuch as when they were ap-
pointed to their offices several years ago, it was with
the clear understanding that, after passing through the ordinary
course of probation, they should then be place on the full stan-
dard of salary as agreed upon when the business of the police
was handed over to the watch committee. And he thought
it was high time for them to settle this question The time of
probation had long since' passed by. In 1847, it was the
opinion of the watch committee that the salaries of the super-
intendents referred to should be advanced; the opinion of the
council was contrary, and the resolution was negatived. Six

years had elapsed, and the watch eommittee had considered it'
only a bare act of justice to. bring forward the matter again be
fore the council. (Hear, hear.) When they considerednthe
zeal aid efficiency of those gentlemen, and the long hours -
which they had to devote to the service of the public, surely
they would not Consider £lBO a-year was too much for gentle4;.;'
men occupying their important situations. (Hear, hear:), Mlfas
it_ not desirable that, to gentlemen in their
.situations;-sathe
encouragement should be held out, in order to stimnraterthat
zeal and diligence so .desirable in those who were
at the head pt the police. (Hear, hear.) And,' thA
again, the advance proposed to be given to the superin.tetulentsz
in question bad actually been saved by the superintentidnt.4l-
- (Hear.) For there used to be a itote:keeper,7
whose salary was £l2O per annum. 'Now the office of. store,:
keeper was abolished ; the Ll2O was no longer paid, and each''
superintendent was made the store-keeper of his own division,-,
and of his own particular department. (Hear.) So that in.
point of faet there was a balannce in favour of the council in,
the account of £3O per• annum. He appealed to them as
practical men, as men of brains, ane as men who were desirous;
of doing justice to their servnats, to concede to the recommend-,
ation of the Watch Committee, and to give the proposed:ad,
vance to the suparintendonts of po:ice. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman SLATER had great pleasure in seconding the
resolution.

Mr. Alderman Haysvoon said that in approaching this sub-
ject ho was in some degree non-plused. He thought tint-. the-
mover of the resolution would have said that he was authorised!
by the committee to bring forward the subject, but he had not,
said so, and the inference he drew was that the. mover of the
resolution was not so authorised, and, therefore, that he - hid
brought forward the matter entirely On his own account.. He!(Aft,..
Heywood) thought that the resolution that morning was-much
more ill-timed than it was in September last. (He'ar, hear) pup
posing that the first of November, had an influence on theilol'
cision last come to on • the subject, did the result. Of, the
elections support the decision of the council? He contended
that it did. That this was the worst possible time to bring_
forward such a subject was borne out by the fact that *the
committee themselves did not support the proposition by erOf
solution of their own. The mere fact of the committee not
supporting the resolution was a positive proof, to his n4ipi,
that the committee did consider that a most improper time to
intro Luce the resolution again. thought sh; and be wits
prepared to vote against the resolttion. tho
thnt in 1847 the salaries 'of ,uperiiitendents of police were
at £l5O per annum. He contended that councillor,-
ought to defer to the opinion of persons out .of .dObrd
whom they represented. Ile considered this a most unto-
ward time to bring forward such a resolution, and. hi:,
should content himself with voting against it.
Mr. Councillor SIMPSON thonght thotif,rhi that Mr.' Alder-
man Heywood was the very last man in the world to say
what he had said on that occasion. (Hear; hear.) He said .
that every honest-minded man in that council would .agree
with him that none of them were there to obey the biddyg
of any party who sent 'them there, without beg
permitted to exercise their own judgment..
such a system of dictation were submitted to it would;
degrade them as men. (Hear, hear.) He had no patienCe,
with men who, professing superfine liberality, talked suech
arrant nonsense as had been talked that morning. (Hear,
hear.)
n't
Mr. Councillor GOODSBY opposed the advance, and saga.
that his constituents were opposed to it.
, •
Mr. Councillor CLARK supported the motion, and spoke ttf
the feeling out. of doors against the treatment which the
three superintendents had received at the hands of :the
council.
The motion was supported by Alderman Neild, Mr. Dicas,
Mr. Adshead, Alderman Sir John Potter, Mr. Joseph
Lamb ; and opposed by Mr: Neill, Mr. Bowler, Ir.
Middleton, and Mr. Alderman Pilling.
Mr. Councillor MEDCALF replied, remarking that in Liver-
pool a superintendent got £2OO a-year, and in London,
£250 with a house to the value of £6O to live in.
The MAYOR said he should vote in favour of the resole n.
tion.

The vote was then taken, when there appeared t
For the motion :—The Mayor and Messrs. Fildes, A.spde,
Shawcross, Thompson, Gibb, Randall, Fletcher, Medcaff,
Slater, Mackie, Simpson, Clark, Lucas, Wadsworth. Brad=
ford, Adshead, Willert, Shuttleworth, Newton, Jo'seph
Lamb, Gibson, Watts, Williams, Parnell, Bake,'Thackeray,
Hitchcock, Walker, Watkin, Neild, and Sir John Potter.--="
32.

Against the motion.—Messrs Pilling, Boardman,
dleton, Warburton, Deorden, Broughton, R. Potter, Bouker;
Goodsbv, M'G.ll, Croston, Cottrill, Neil, llaworth, Howard,
Vickers, Heywood, 'and Woolley.—l 8.
;
Tne motion was consequently declared carried, 4
Mr. Councillor MmiArrow moved the following reso -
tion :—" That it be a recommendation to the Markeis'COnif
inittee to consider the propriety of appointing one or9more
additional inspectors of meat ; 'with a view to secure tlit de-
tection and punishment of all parties exposing or offering
for sale meat which is unfit for human food."
Mr. Councillor HrrcncocK seconded the resolution, which
was carried unanimously.
The council then broke up.

ro crzrrr UO URT.--YESTERDAY. •
(Before JosEPH POLLOCK ESQ Junans.)
laEAGIi V. THE
COMPANY.—In this case the plaintiff, Benjamin Scott Geagh,
a Commercial traveller, in the employment of Messrs.
Foster and Co., of London, drapers, sought to recover
£4 19s. from the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Com-
pany, for loss of time and expenses caused to the plaintiff
by the non-delivery of a box eontaining.patteria, which —LW:
longed to him.
.f.,,Tr3
Mr. PamitEnTori appeared for the: plaintiff;' .arid' 4.
FORSIIAW for the defendants. •
From the evidence of the plaintiff it appeared that he'll
116;t
proceeded from Manchester to Birmingham On the
of October, leaving directions that a box containing 'Wit,
terns belonging to him should be forwarded from Manchedit
to Liverpool, directed "Mee's Commercial Hotel , Liverpool.",
On the 17th of October the plaintiff arrived in LiverpdOl;
when he proceeded to the hotel named, which is in Gruat
Charlotte-street, expecting to find the box there. Wheal
he got there, however, he found that the box had not been.
received. He remained at the hotel on the 17th and
18th ; and on the 18th, telegraphed to Manchester in. order
to ascertain what had become of the box. He received a
message in reply stating that the box was forwarded on the
17th, directed as he desired, to Mee's Commercial Hotel;'
Liverpool, He sent a messenger to• the railway station, who
returned with the reply that no such box had been received
there. On the 19th he went himself to the station, wind
there ascertained, after some inquiries, that. the box had'
arrived, and had been taken to the Queen's Commercial.
Hotel, in Dale-street, it being stated that the carter was,
unable, after many inquiries, to find such a place as Tea's
Commercial Hotel, and that no such place was mentioned in.
the directory. The plaintiff then proceeded to the Queen's,
Hotel, Dale-street, where he fund the box. Plaintiff:
c!aimed the amount for the loss of three days' -tinie,..durio
g
which he was in great measure prevented from doingrbusi-
ness by the want of the box of patterns.
Mr. FORSHAW, on behalf of the company, contended that.
as the box was not directed to any particular street, but
merely to Mee's Commercial Hotel, .Liverpool,-the defend-
ants were not liable, there being no such place in the dirg-01
tory, and the inquiries of the carter failing to discover it, ;T
His HONOR held that -if the defendants were unable tO,
find the place to which the box was directed, in consequence
of the insufficiency of information given to them, they,
should not have sent it to any other place, but should have
kept it in their possession until inquiries were made after
He was of opinion, however, that the plaintiff had not ac-
tually lost more than one; Clear day's time, and therefore gave
a verdict for the plaintiff, £2 2s. 6d., with costs. •
COLT AND HIGGS a. BATH.—This was an action brought
by George Colt and Anne Higgs, to recover £1 19s. 6d.4-
front Francis B. Bath. St,nimpg,_ geswiwpe-streer,,
onininus proprietor, for injuries done to a cab belonging to
the plaintiffs, which was run into by an omnibus which be- to defendant, in Church-street. • I
Upon the part of the plaintiff it was alleged that the,om-i
nibus was following two others in line going up Church-
street, and that the cab was driving down, when the omni;.l •
bus driver left his rank, and endeavoured to get beyond the:
other omnibuses, by crossing the street ; the result .of whiehi
was, that the cab was run into and injured: It' was*ated
that there was room in the street for three carriages to drive
abreast, and that therefore the accident would not-have ..oc---
curred if the driver of the omnibus had not endeavOuredlo
get out of his proper place. The cab, it was positiiely..
stated, was keeping Its own side of the street at the time
injury took place.
The driver and guard of the omnibus stated that the om
nibus in front of them stopped,• and that in -encletrituring tb=.
extricate themselves, the cab, which was driving 'tip *t
furious rate, ran into them. • .

His HONOR said it was quite clear how.th6 accidentimr.
happened. The omnibus driver was not,satisfied• with bribe
behind the others-in line, and therefore drew up and CroSS'edl.'
the street. In that part of the street there was rotia*Yói"
three carTiages abreast, and therefore the omnibtli:Mitif4
have curved out of the line, or it could not have-conle into
collision with the cab. There was nothing more necessary
than that such large conveyances, in so crowded a.platk4s
Church-street, if they did drive rapidly, should, at tlPe4nts,q"
not draw out rapidly from behind the omnibug'in froht,l,l
which concealed them. His Honor therefore•gave 'iet*t'll
for the plaintiff for the amount claimed.

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Mr. Boulton, income tax collector ..ofilt—Clement—Dailear,,,
London, is a defaulter to the amount of £3,600.
SOUTH STAFFonpsuinE.---The liberals are at fanit
division. Lord Paget has declined to come forward, and a
successor is not agreed on.
ST. PAUL'S CATHEDRAL.---The Bishop of London, assisteli
by Dr. Lushington and Sir James Patteson, sitting as
assessors, will commence an inquiry into certain alleged
abuses connected with the above Cathedral, on the 9th Jan.
Dispatches were sent off yesterday evening from the
Colonial Office to the Governors of the Cape of Good Hope
and the Mauritius.
•
The Karnak, a new screw steamer, built- on the ye,
and intended for the Mediterranean trade, arrived in the
Mersey on her first trip. - The Karnak is owned by Meikitl4
Burns and M'lver, and is a vessel of the same size and
power as the Taurus and Teueriffe. She made a capital
passage front the Clyde, and will be despatched on her first
voyage in the course of a week.

difficulties. He (Mr. Dixon) was rather surprised at that,
Although in these days modern science was so extended there
really were no engineering difficulties. After the Lancaster
A public meeting of parties interested in this project was railway had been carried over the Shap Fells, there could
yesterday held at the Angel Hotel, to receive explanations be no difficulties. (Hear, hear). But still their line would
and information in reference to the.scheme, from a depute_ pass through a very flat country, and the heaviest cutting
not be more than 10 feet. The railway would be
tion who attended for the purpose, on behalf of the provin- '
wouldmade for £5 000 a mile, and he would remind gentlemen who
cial committee. There were about fifty gentlemen present ; were in the 'habit of reading railway papers, that Herapath
and after some time, lately referred to the feet, and he said that a railway made
The chair was taken by Mr. MOORE. . for £5,000 a mile, no matter where it ran to,
mistake of
was sure to
The CHAIRMAN said that it was only a very pay ,—it could not miss to pay. The great short time •
•
since he had been made acquainted with the project, and
u;aionwatybehn, even upon railways within our own neighbour-
companies had been from the enormous outlay
therefore he could not be expected to know much, or, indeed,
anything at all of its merits. But being requested by his hood.I)
There was the Caledonian Railway which actually
much esteemed friend Mr. Dixon, mayor of Carlisle, to at- cost £40,000 per mile, and the Maryport Railway cost
tend at the meeting he had done so, but he felt that he was £16,000 a mile. He was not quite certain what the Lan-
give them any information on the matter. He should, an unfit person to fill the chair, because he was not able to
caster line cost, but it cost a large sum. He only mentioned
this to show their projected railway could be made for £5,000
therefore, without further remark, beg leave to introduce
a mile, and they had a gentleman ready to take the
thin; Dixon to their notice
, who would explain to them every-
thing connected with the undertaking. contract provisionally, to form not only the railway but
was ready to enter into a contract,
the dock likewise o-
Mr. J. P. Discos, Mayor of Carlisle, then said he ap-
on our getting the likewise,—who-
of parliament, to make the railway
peered before them as one of a deputation from the body of
directors of the Carlisle and Silloth Bay Railway and Dock for £5,000 a-mile. (Hear, hear.) Their estimates of
traffic had been very carefully gone into. That was a sub-
Company, which company had been provisionally registered
ject he would not enter into, as his friend Mr. Irving would
for the purpose of seeking an act of parliament to ,forma
Floating dock at Silloth Bay, in the Solway Frith, and to
address them on that topic;. but they had gone carefully into
the traffic which they might fairlyand legitimately expect to
forma railway from that point to join the Port Carlisle come over their line ; and when in Newcastle a few days
railway; 'and thus form a communication with the Newcastle
and Carlisle railway, and so obtain a direct communication ago they found their calculations considerably under the Mark. They mentioned it to one gentleman, who, from east to west across the narrowest part of the island. Of was specially interested and he said he would guarantee that
course the estimated cost of forming this dock and making e.mount of traffic himself ; they had been anxious the whole
this railway was not, as they would perceive, a very heavy
taupe not to overstate their facts, because they felt they had
amount, £135,000, but still Carlisle though a very enter-
fact
tir and legitimate scheme to bring before the public, in
prising city, and had always made efforts to improve its po- as national question, and they were most anxious to
eition in the commercial world, was not a wealthy coin-
heyunderstate
the
dgone under the mark rather than above it. Taking
the aid of the public in carrying out this scheme. In some iat low estimate of £2O per mile a-week, the traffic they
measure it might be said to be of a local character. It certainly
had
to get was a traffic a great deal of which never yet
character (hear, hear
was ; but we considered it was also strictly of a national
and had always been very much to ad come their way, at least the great bulk of it. The great
be desired to form this communication between the west ); bulk of it had gone round a thousand miles by sea to Ireland.
They expected they should be able to bring coals from New-
coast and the east coast for many years back. For at least 30
castle to Sinai:l-bay and ship them from thence to Ireland
years we have been s(e.eing that communication. When the
at once. Leaving that out of the question altogether—a
canal, the Carlisle canal, was formed from Carlisle to Port traffic we never got--if we take the estimated traffic which
Carlisle, that was the object in view, inasmuch as as the *e have been accustomed to get on the old canal it would
canal was originally intended to be carried direct from show a very fair return for the money invested. They had. Carlisle to Newcastle, and a survey was made at the time. facilities at Silloth bay for working a floating dock, acces-
To show the peculiar views entertained in those days be Bible at all times of tide, and not only so, but• they had a
might mention that railways were projected at the time 'but water area in front of the dock, sufficient to accommodate
the impression was they could not travel more than four ;miles 200 vessels. He (Mr. Dixon) had that on the authority of
an hour, and therefore at that time prosecuting the canal
,IJIMr. Geddes, who was connected with their district Trinity
was thought the most advisable. But it was abandoned, hoard; and. that it was a clay bottom, and that a vessel
and the canal was only formed from Carlisle to Port Carlisle. was never known to have dragged her anchors there.
The object was to form a communication between the east Even supposing the dock quite full, and a
nchore
and the west, and eventually the Newcastle and Carlisle not make the dock, the vessel could lie at a railway was formed. Since that time they had been con- in perfect safety. There was an intention to
tending with natural difficulties at Port Carlisle. They make this railway from this point at the smallest possible cost,
had a large body of water up to that point, .but it was only and that they connected with it a very legitimate prospect
approachable at the top of the tide for vessels of a large large and increased traffic, and, therefore, they left it
class. They had a shifting channel constantly changing rierlth confidence in the hands
.of gentlemen of a town like
which made it difficult for vessels of heavy burthen to ap- 1 verpool—gentlemen of enterprise, and who were so large-,
preach. There was also another " very great drawback
ayndcoonnected with the. commercial interests of this country,
owing to the danger of vessels taking the ground, which,
likel ftowhomit 'might be justly proud. They were not
gentlemen, connected with shipping was a very great overlookdraw-
. the interests of Carlisle, because there was
back to any port. They contended with this for some time, notey town in the kingdom' would have more railways
until the same project was endeavoured to be obtained at Ther they formed complete
hands,net-work ;. and therefore he
Maryport, to form a line with the same object in view, left it with confidence their feeling they would not
In that prospectus they set forth the same thing. lt had allow a matter which shisomerespects of a local charac-
also been felt that Maryport was a dry harbour, and that ter—but it was also ofwaa national
tcharacter—wouldf, not allow
they had not the facilitiem there for forming a wet dock, the it to fall to the ground for wan o the most important re-
entrance being unfavourable, and obstructed by a considers- q3uisites, taking shares and giving their support to the under-
beyond 500 tons; except on a very high tide, so much so a few words : .
that frequently after entering they were neaped, and unable .
. Mr. 'ovule, said that as Mr. Dixon had detailed to them
toleaVe when, required to do so. These difficulties, in con-
nection with difficulties they had to contend with at Port the great importance of the undertaking, it was simply for
Carlisle, had latterly drawn the attention of persons inter- him to confine himself 'to the traffic department. The meet-
ested in the trade of Carlisle very much to the project which ing had been told of the great advantage that was likely to
they had now, in view, which was to form if possible, and it arise to Carlisle and Cumberland in connecting the German
was thought to be most desirable if it could be done, a ocean with the Irish sea, but the next step was that, when
floating -dock, or more 'strictly speaking, a wet dock— the promoters of the present, undertaking asked for support,
like one of the Liverpool docks ; and if they could they should be prepared to give full value-for any outlay in
possibly have a floating dock, where vessels of large burthen investment. - He had inquired at great length with the sec-
could come, and be prevented taking the ground, they would retary into the traffic likely to come on the line. The
be able to,carry out the views they had before them, that of foundation of their estimates was based on facts—there was
forming a direct communication 'from the west to the' east. nothing theoretical or speculative about it—and therefore he
For this project they, selected a locality in the Solway Frith, could say with confidence that every gentleman relying on
which had all the facilities necessary for forming a floating his estimate of the traffic would find that the result bore out
dock. The entrance to it was approachable at all times of what he stated. At Newcastle there were several alkali manu-
the tide. He would mention, to show its superiority over factories, and for the purpose of carrying them on success-
Maryport, there was more 'water in Silloth bay at low fully, salt and sulphur ore were much required. The one
water in spring tides, than they had at Maryport, in an was brought from Cheshire, and the other from Wicklow ;
ordinary 18 feet tide. From ;the plans it would be seen and from the closest inquiries they had made they found
.the
there was never less than 18 feet of water sometimes 24 ;
charges put upon those goods conveyed from those points
and over the bar, in the shallowest places ;here were 13 feet to the Tyne, were such as would enable them to bring the
into Silloth floods along by sea to Silloth bay, per screw steamer or sail-
bayat-low water ; and therefore a vessel entering
could float at anchor at all times of the tide. ing vessel, and then along the railway to Newcastle, at a
The Citarearasi : There is 18 feet at the lOw water of a cost sufficient to compensate them for the trouble. They could
spring tide. - ' - - take the articles of salt and pyrites at something like 2d
Mr. DIXON :At the low water of a spring tide over the per ton per mile, This figure might seem a little starling,
Da, khsr were 13 feet of water- and at neap tides there for on most lines in the kingdom the charge was considerably
s were 18 feet. -1. u,; .x.. 1.14 laid' d'Own - on'the plans was the over id ; but the advantage which they- possessed ov,ir all
depth at low water as taken at spring adv.. 1,4 show tie others was the low cost of their line. They would take those
immense advantage which
.a dock, from the depth of t .i.
e ' ....•-•-, .-- -. 7,..-t. ,- ..uric,.uric,il
nt yr', •u all LIM ebtolfiliti, . ... ...., , ..„6,... __A., i„...,..:... pinuial nay, over treat at Maryport, he WU, 00 tons, the receipt would be in those alone, £2,500
might mention a fact which was stated- publicly five years per annum. Another article of traffic was coal, which,
ago in a letter which he (Mr. Dixon) had the honor to ad- calculated very low, was 150,000 tons annually 'There
dress to one of the local papers on the, subject. Two vessels , were at present two companies under contract for supplying
Ireland with 100,000 tons of coal, independ, nt of that for
leaving Liverpool at the same time, one bound for Maryport
and the other for any point in Silloth bay that the passen household purposes, and independent of that supplied from
-
gers hound to Silloth bay woeld be 100 miles inland before Lord Carlisle's South Tyne and Bleakins, pi pits. 'They
even the vessel bound to Maryport could .go . into
took this at the low average of ?TA. per miie, and 9d. per ton
berth. This was a feet stated, five years ago, and fair the whole line. These estimates as to salt, and coal, and
sulphur, they had shown to gentlemen connected with
it remained as it. was stated. Their steamers engaged
in trading from
,Liverpool to Port Carlisle,: for the these trades, and were fully borne out by them in those esti-
last thirty , years, had also to go into Silloth bay for mates. Mr. Cookson, connected with the Mickley colliery,
nearly three hours,, generally for two hours and , a half, under contract for supplying a large quantity to Ireland,
before , they could get up to Port Carlisle, and, therefor; thought they would send for more than the estimate. And
the passengers by that steamer, might have been at Newcas- taking that at id. per ton per mile, they would have an
tie before the steamer could even arrive at the quay at Port annual yield of £5,625. Then they had a trade in alabaster
Cirlisle. The detention, .therefore was very considerable ; slate, and timber to the extent of 30,000 tons, which, with
la but y making Silloth bay our terminus, that detention the trade between Liverpool and Port Carlisle, and Liver-
wonld,,be entirely done away with.. Of course in forming' Pool land Ireland and Newcastle might be fairly, estimated
at 60,000 tons annually. Their passengers, both by steamer
the, floating dock at any given point, it is most desirable
that gentlemen should most fully understand the entrance to it and rail they took at 66,000, who would yield £3,ooo—so that
was g?od, that it was not only so now, but it had been from the whole receipts their estimated traffic would give them
time Immemorial. They could produce evidence to prove, £16,131. As to the dock, they took the amount of tonnage corn
that the present depth of water in Silloth bay, had not mate- ing into and going outiof the harbour at 200,000 tons, which
rially altered, they would say for the last 200 years. The .at 6d. per ton would produce £5,000 annually. He thought
captain, of the Newcastle eteamer, who no doubt was well they were quite safe in this estimate, because in the dry
known to many gentlemen present, navigated the Solway harbours in Cumberland, where vessels only entered at high
Frith fpr a considerable number of years between Liver- water the same rate was charged. They were thereforeperfectly
pool and Port Carlisle,—and the father of the late captain safe in that charge ;so that their total estimated receipts
of that vessel, Mr. Logan, who was now living, a man up- would be £21,000. Taking the working charge of the rail-
wards of 90 years of age, who had navigated no small coast . way at 50 per cent, which was quite ample, and the expen-
'
ing vessels between this port, Port Carhsle, and Annan, said sex of working the dock at £750, their total expenditure
to the best of his recollection, and he gave it is his own would be £8,815, which deducted from their gross receipts
words, that the depth, of water in Silloth bay -had been 'would leave a nit annual profit of £12,315 ; and their
always as it is now ' • that he could always run there at dead capital being £135,000, their net profit would afford them
IoW water, and in stormy weather he always knew it to be a dividend of 9 per cent., with a small surplus. Now let
*place to fall back upon. This man's grandfather, who them try the' profit by another test. He believed that
died at the Agt say they could produce a man of the present eof 95, also bore evidence to the same fact, throughout the the entire kingdom there were few lines that
and,they might
paid under £25 per mile per week, with the exception of the
East Anglian ; but taking the receipts on the railway at
day, to give evidence, going back 200 years. They found by
referring to the history pf their own county, to Hutchins' his- £lO per mile per week, and allowing the same working
tory of Cumberlande,he there states,:at the time of Edward charges, (50 per cent), their net prefits would still afford
them a dividend of 5 per cent. This did not take into ac-
VI. this very locality was made available by Edward VI.
when he went over ,to Scotland. He had several ships at count the amount received from dues at the dock ; so that
that tiine. He did not mention their tonnage, but he did I taking all things into consideration, the project might be
the-'number of men they carried, clearly showing they must i considered a very safe investment. Another important
have been vessels of a considerable size, and drawing a con- matter bearing on the undertaking which Mr. Dixon had
siderable depth of water. Of, course they had no means of not alluded to, he would mention. He,believed it was in-
knoWing it was,l the. same, but at any rate it was deep water tended by a number of gentlemen at Hawick and Galashiels—
at that time. They had proof to show the water in Solway extensive agricultural districts and woollen manufactures—
to run a line of railway from the North British at Hawick
Frith had not decreased from, that time; for in December 1
to Carlisle. Now he believed that the gentlemen in those
last they had two very heavy storms, and the water rose to a 1
localities were very much connected with the Credo of Liver-
away,ooniUtcrablp height, andl.4...pa on the shore were washed
, Which had been known, to be standing for time imme pool. They required a great many of the articles that were
-
mortal', showing there had been no decrease ; but some per- imported into this port, and on the other' hand they required
sons in some localities were trying to show there was a I an outlet not only to the Liverpool, but to the various other
Lancashire markets for their manufacturers; and so impor-
graelual decrease of water in the. Solway Frith. He men- !
tionid, this to show there was no decrease in the body of tent was this matter regarded by the Duke of Buccleuch
water flowing up the Solway ,Frith. Referring to what he that they were enabled to make arrangements with him for
wished to show, and to impress on the gentlemen present - the purchase of his land at a very small cost. The line
they had had from time immemorial always sufficient depth to which he had alluded would run for 25 miles through
of water in Silloth bay as they now had. As they projected that nobleman's land, and also through Sir James Graham's
the making of a floating dock they took the opinion of Mr. property, and it would have the support of both those gentle-
Hartley, of Liverpool, and he (Mr. Dixon) was present with men. that line would be connected with the present line,
him when he inspected the site, and ho projects, in laying and would consequently render it the more important.
down the dock, no( to interfere with the water in any way.. There was again an extensive district of country running in
The fault committed in the Solway Frith, and at Whitehaven the northern direction from Silloth Bay to Annandale, con-
and Port Carlisle, had been putting the works into the tide taing some of the best cultivated lands in Scotland ;' and it
way,
,which bad caused banks ,to form. In their projectedcted
was essential to give those people every facility for the
dock, Mr. 'Hartley's plan was, to make the dock inland. transfer of their produce -which they could not of
They did not intend -to putAown anything to. interfere with themselves consume. That could be best provided by sea
the natural course of the water ; and, therefore, he might in connection with their port, because they intended running
faiely, argue, that as it .had for time immemorial been a steam-tugs from that point to the other ports within their
place suitable for vessels, and they could show from the year reach. This was a very important matter to those localities,
1774 the depth of water, and if they did not interfere by not and the gentlemen connected with them could not but regard
putting the works in the tide-way, they might fairly argue it in the light in which he had just put it. Their object in
it would continue to remain as it now was. They consi- coming to Liverpool was, that they regarded the question
dered this was, a very, strong point. If they could oncelornie as one highly important to the interests of this town. The
the 'floating dock at this point, they should attract the ship- most of their trade lay with Liverpool, and they therefore
ping interest there, and should open a channel for a great naturally expected that its men of business with
, that spirit
traffic in other
coal, and various
commodities, which were. . and enterprise for which they were remarkable, would
,grvit
calling for it at the present moment. (Hear,' hear.) I t them the aid which they sought in ''' prosecuting this under-
opened, a way to, the coast of Ireland, and various other„ taking. - '(Hear, hear.)
places. A jetty would have to be made for the dock out Mr. W into . inr.rasrsoe- asked, inasmuch as nearly all the traffic
the deep water. It would be an open pier, and would notof which they hadgiven an
I
interfere with the natural course 'of thewater. There was 1 necessarily pass Over two other lines, the
Newcastle and
one point .connected with making this pier. They should,•
Carlisle, and the Carlisle and Port Carlisle railways, would
in the first instanceeform therrailwav to the point they tell the meeting to what extent those companies were
on the plan, and to make it available for ships immediate) inclined to co-operate ?
before, they had the sleek made they should be ablet I; ,
accommodate vessels to a considerable extent MR. DIXON' We can give a most satisfactory answer to
in shipping that.
coal end other commodities,.ao that even before the dock was • MR. IRVING said the promoters of this line bad an
in-
opened,
gentlemen,would find this a good investment. Before interview with' the directors of Newcastle andt e the Carlisle
forming thie dock, so important was it considered by the i railway, and they also saw the directors of the Port Carlisle
shipping, interest, and so likely were those who knew what line, andi he might state the interview he had with both
the traffie was between Ireland and the east coast, imme- the directors, the greatest facilities
were promised to be given
diately,that there was' an _opening made at Silloth, a jetty to them. in fact our: interests and thei-s were identical.
or anything, they would immediately avail themselves of it,
, Coals, or any other articles should be brought 60 miles over
its superiority over. he harbour was so great. With respect the Newcastle and Carlisle Railway, and it was important
to the railway from Silloth down to Drumburgh, it was for them to get a good outlet for it by a sea communication ;
almost unnecessary for him to mention it atter the report of and it was as much for their interest
that the rate should be
Mr. Blyth, the engineer ; but he might remark, the railway low, and that they
passed through a country which presented no engineering The Port Carlisle directors,
at their last meeting, passed a

ARLISLE AND SILLOTH BAY RAILWAY AND
'DOCK COMPANY.