The Express.
London, England, 1861-04-26 00:00:00

ADJOURNED DEBATE ON THE BUDGET.

On the 'notice for going into Committee ofWye end
?deem,
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Mr. FITZGERALD resumed this debate, mirth%
first to the speech made by the hon. member for Heating-
dos, the other day, is which that gentleman (Mr.
T. Bair), dwelling upon the unsettled state of affairs
at home sr abroad, contsioded that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer bad sot diffidently estimated the
probable expeditors that we should be obliged to incur,
wield he hail been too sanguine about the receipt of the
Treasury for the next year. That hoe. gentleman who
entreated the goverment to give some explanations to
satisfy the anxiety of the house, was followed by the hoc.
member for North Liacolaskire (Mr. B. Stanhope) with an
speech ;d
sad last) the boa. member far frimford,
with his practice keow of firer put some restious
to the government on various neaten. Yet not or mem-
ber of the Iltfali bad yet natured to get up and de-
fend the project for which they were collectively
reepoesible. He should have hoped, for example, to have
heard from the Noble lord the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs what he trught of the peubability of retiree that
item of 740001., which the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer expected he would receive.
But what was it that people said of this budget—not only
the people out of doors, but those who sat in that house,
and eves tliuirofeseed followers of the government? They
tot'll everybody said, that it was a framed not
sole y from finencial, bat from political corderaticas,
looking to the state of parties in that house.
They said that it was forced upon the house—Orr, hear)
—became some members of the cabinet desired the sup of
a noisy, but not a very influential section of that house.
They said that the statement made by the rigid hon. geetle-
man was not accurate, but calculated to mkkied the rule,
and that it was • policy which the house ought set to mac-
tie—to give up at this time a source of revenue, a tee
which could not be retrieved or reimposed, whatever might
be our necesaitise is the future, and that would resolve
an oddities to thins burthens which had already
borne almost intolerable to the mushy, (Chews.)
He believed it was: pretty generally understood that Mews'
a emersion to the hose. member for Birmingham, and
wYe-
ther that was • corm creditable to the goverment or
eel-
culate,i to raise the character of public men he woad have
the house to judge. He found Mr. Bright himself &din
that the budget wan not to be merely • device to provide
ways and ulcer for the service of the year with the had
pomade dieritishetion to the leading constitsencies repro-
seated in the Howse of COMIMOUS ; it was not to be • mesh-
notice of finaocial and political tricks to supply the Trea-
sury, but • combination to appease party interests. He did
not believed possible Mar wordabetter calculatedtocharac-
teriesthe object of the financial proposition than those which
hail the sanction of the hon. member for Birmingham. (Hear.)
The hoe. meniher thee pointed out examples of what he
considered to be unfair arid deceptive statements, and ra-
tifier the accuracy of Mr. Ghdstone's adheres of the
expenditure fur the current year, and his antiCipatioss of
the revere. He could not understand the grounds upon
which be had calculated that he would receive the sum of
750,0001. from China, inferring from the details be med,
and from the stipulations of the treaty of Tiers* that
not cue farthing of this sum could come to the heads of the
Chassalor of the Exchequer. With
deFt to the paper
duty, he denied that the Loose was to its repeal
either by its resoluties or by the 101 l yowl; but if
was deeply and solemnly pleoZod to repeal tie 'mew tax
and the tea and seem war ditties, and it there was a real
▪ Ne
ed resew" Is should, he costimided. Y 8 applied to
the of duties that would relieve the peat balk
of the
Mr. titBSON said the financial scheme which had
been submitted to the house by the government had under-
gone reach sad varied discumion. He remarked that the
investigations of boo. members appeared to have led them
upon different points to differeut conclusions. It was not
fur the government to complain of the meet searching in-
quiry into each Miliaria' proposals as they might think fit
upon their responsibility to recommend to parliament. He
should be nue of the last to agree that the House of
Commons should be prorated from making the most search.
ing investigation into the financial schemes of the_ govern-
ment. (Hear.) But there was this remarkable difference
which struck him—it was that while the has baronet the
member for Stamford (Sir S. Nartheote) told them he
was satirist with the Mirka en motor and excise
as submitted to that hoer by the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, the hoe. gentleman who bad just spoken
despised those attitudes. aed told the house the government
were misleading them, in • Yielder erasion of taxation,
as to the probable yield of this greet source of revenue. He
(Mr. Barn) believed those estimates had been honestly
made up in cooferenoe with those heads of department,
who could only judge of what might be the result upon
the revenue. He believed them estimates would have
been just the same if the right hoe. gentleman the member
for Bucks had bees in the place of his right hoe. friend the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. Those were not estimates in
which all the departments entered into • plot with the
Chamomile. of the Exchequer in order to cook up mounts
to raidead the House of Commons. They were hardly
made by area of judgment and experience a• to what wad&
be the yield el those sources of revenue for the caning
fiords" year. Looking to those who were on the spot,
sad who were responsible for the advice they gave, with
inereasir trade with China, the government were ef
opinion that the sum to be handed to Mr. Bruce would
probably be 750,0001. He did not deny that • flourish-
log state of trade was the forerunner of • full
Exchequer. He admitted it was not prudent to take
too Penguin@ • view of our reemrces, if they saw
Get the great breaches of our industry might be affected
injuriously . • but all those considerations Lail had their fall
weight with her Majesty's government and the departaseete
of the country in making their eatimstes of the probable
meld of Dm taxes for the present financial year.
hear.) Were they to *Dore all that had paned • 7.!
ferenee to the paper duty? (Hear, her) Was the
irorernment to assume that the votes of the Here of
Commons were to be no guide to their counsels! To
whom were her Majesty's Ministers respnosible ! Why, to
the Douai. of Commons. (Hear, hear.) It would have been
inioceetide to have used over the paper duty and to have
Tryon."' the remission of soy other. (Hear, best.) Hon.
gentlemen roust see that the course pursued by the govern-
ment was consistent, hOll. 111r0411, 0114 bold—one which he
believed the house would support them in. (Hear, bear.)
What were the arguments fur not rirreling the paperduty ?
The hon. member for Stamford said, Do rot reveal it, be-
cause
if you do you cannot put it oe ain." Why not?
Because the hon. baronet knew that the benefits from the
repeal would be so apparent tot country that no minister
would thick it even for the interest of the public revenue
to restore it to its place. (Hear, hear.) He would remind
the hes. brood that it was never intended to be a perma-
nent duty. (Hear, hear.) That was the groat point with
the House of Commons, end bed the government pared it
over they would have heels guilty of disrespect to the hewny
and have tomato's their restitutions' duty. Bat the
did sot act last year without recommendatioa, for the hoe.
baroiset the mauler for Soiree:oil:ire (Sir W. Miles)
asked them whether they would keep no the paper duty or
have an extra income tax of one penny, end the house pre-
ferred hr • majority 0153 the repeal ci the paper duty, and
the bore subsequently preferred tiler off that duty to
redwing the duty oa ha. (11m.) He had heard mew