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was none fcr the course proposed to be taken by the noble
lord of reviving in the same widen a question already settled
by a decision of one branch of the legislature. He could not
stultify the vote he had already given in:favour of the admission
of the Jews by voting against the noble lord's bill ; and ea he
could not vote for it, fur the reasons he had stated, he should
not vote either way.
Mr. AYRTON knew not the precise nature of the
noble lord's bill ; but he would recommend that it
should be limited to regulating the conditions on which Jews
should be admitted to parliament. Still he was compelled
to ask himself what was the use of introducing such •
measure this session. (Cheers front the opposition.) tinier
the noble lord at the heed of the government would give this
bill precedence over the other orders of the day it would
have no chance of peening, if it were allowed to drag on
from day to day, at 2 o'clock in the morning. (Liar, hear.)
He took part in the proceedings of Saturday morning, not
from any pleasure he took in them--(a laugh —but to show
that he wee in earnest on the question. It was for the
house to show that they were in earnest, or the bill
would have little chance in the other house. On
the octagon he had just referred to her Majesty's
ministers disappeared from the some (loud cheers)—
long before the close of the discumion. lid the
noble lord (Palmerton) sent the last 10 to the Lords as
one which the government was pledged to stand by he
believed that it would have been carried. (Hear, hem.)
But were not the Lords justified in rejecting a measure when
minutes themselves were not unanimous in support of it?
(Cheers.) Its rejection wee solely due to this disagreement.
(Hese, hear.) The government had presented the bill in •
vacillating manner, and so as to court for it the fate it had
received. The bill now before the house would have no
better theta, unless government would present it to the Lorda
as the fixed determination of that a.m. (Cheers.)
Mr. PACKE referred to the scene of Saturday morning,
and said it would have been unfair to allow the bill to be
brought in under such circumstances, the same bill having
been, in het, rejected by the House of Lord,. Ilon, mem-
bers below the gangway were not agreed an to the mode in
which their object ought to be attained. Some coneidered it
should be done bye resolution, but others held that such a
course would only bring the house into collision with the
courts of law. The question before them was not whether
Jews ought to be admitted—the proper time for dinumaing
that would be on these:aid reading—but whether they would
allow a bill to be introduced a second time in the some see-
lion. On that ground, without entering at all into the qua.
tion of the admission of the Jews, he would oppose the
motion.
Lord PALMERSTON said—Sir, I will support the
motion of my noble friend for leave to bring in the bill,
but at the some time, WI the description my noble
friend has given of it is not very complete— (hear, hear)
—I shall, of course, reserve for future consideration in what
degree we may feel it right to soma it in any of its future
stages. I need not say that maiW and my colleague. are as
101.111011 M SI my noble friend can be to settle satisfactorily the
question of the admission of the Jews into parliament. The
only gnation is as to what would be the most likely method
to arrive at that object, sod what, if the section would afford
time would be the best way of arriving at such • settlement I
desire to arrive at some final arrangement, and therefore I en-
tirely concur in the present motion, reserving, as I have said,
my final decision until we see more clearly what the pro-
visions of the bill are. Assuming, however, that the
bill is such as that we will feel it consistent
with our duty to give it our support in ita
other stages. Still in the present state of the maim, and
the number of important bills standing for consideration in
the short period that remains, I fear I cannot undertake,
for my noble friend, to postpone the government bullies.,
for the purpose u suggested by the hon. gentleman (Mr.
Ayrton), of peening this bill forward, and giving it an ex-
cludes preference. With that explanation of ear intentions,
I give a willing support to the motion. (A laugh.)
Mr. GLADSTONE said he was not prepared to forego
confidence in the 'louse of Lords, and if that house withheld
its assent from any particular measure nothing but the
highest necessity should induce the House of Common, to
interfere. As to proceeding by resolution, very great ob-
jections offered themselves to this course, which might render
• bill of indemnity necessary. With respect to the bill of
Lord J. Russell, he did not consider it as a substentiol repe-
tition of a propoeition already carried up to the other house.
It did not propose to confer upon Jews a right of admission to
either house of parliament by a modification of the oath, but
to give • discretion to the authority called upon to admi-
nister the oath to do so in a form binding upon the con-
science of the party taking it.
Mr. WHITESIDE contended that the bill, so fer as it
had been explained. was a clumsy instrument for achieving
an unconstitutional object.
Mr. HILT/YARD thought no one could doubt that thin
bill would meet with the same reception in the House of
Lords ea the former bill.
o After • few words in support of the bill from Mr.
HORSMAN,
Lord J. RUSSELL briefly replied, defending his mos-
' sate from various objections urged during the debate, but
mile/dog that, after the announcement of the prime
minister, them was little prospect of pawing it in the present

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The house then divided on the motion that leave be given
to being in the bill, when there appeared
For the motion
Against it
The result less bailed with cheers by the opposition, and
counter cheers from the ministerial benches.
AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS.

CAIRD moved for leave to bring in a bill to provide
for the °casettes of agricultural statistics in England and
Wales. He said he aid so without may expectation of
wan the bill this sesame, and if it could pass this session
It was too late to bring it into operation this autumn. After
government introduced a bill as the subject last session, he
made it hie boneless to consider objeo ions of hon. gentlemen
who might be considered more especially to represent the
agricultural interest, and he had envoured to remove the
objections which they entertained towards that bill. This
bill differed from that of the government in several important
particulars. It was not ► compulsory measure; it did not
Include live stock; it employed a different machinery from
that of the poor-law, end it contained a provision by
which the occupier of land had the option of making
the return direct to the government department in London,
and it imposed a penalty on any officer who should divulge
the return in soy way except for the purposes of the act. He
had also introduced a dawn providing for a system of in-
spection, in order to secure the accuracy of the returns. By
limiting the return to the acreage, the objection to the inqui-
eitorial character of the former bill would be removed. In
giving up the returns of live stock, he might explain to the
howe that it woo not so important to obtain return. of them
as of the corn crops, bemuse they were not affected by the
weather in the game manner, and there were not the means
of supplying thedelicieney so readily by importations from
abroad. Then it we, of more importance that there should
be returns of the breadth of bind under corn crops than
of the avenge produce per acre. Then as to the
machinery to be employed in collecting the returns, he did
not propose that it should be through the machinery of the
poor-law, but through the Registrar-General's department,
which had the recommendation of emir my, and also that it
was not connected with any rate-impneing bodies. He had
an estimate, from which it appeared that the whole expense
would only be about 20,0001. This measure was nut for the
mere purpose of promoting statistical inquiry. Ile believed
it would be more benelkial to the fartnerthan totbe merchant;
but it was not intended for the benefit of either, bat foe the
purpose of rendering the supply of corn in this country more
equal, and thereby preventing that fluctuation in pries which
frequently canoed eo much suffering among the poorer
classes. In England alone of the whole United Kingdom
they had no statietical returns of this character. They
had them for Ireland and Scotland, but they were
comparatively valueless without those of England. lie be-
lieved also that there was no country in Europe without these
statistics but England.
Mr. PACK is was happy to infra that the bill contained
no compulsory powers. So far it would be satisfactory to
the fanners, beause their great opposition to the former
measure was its compulsory character. As the bill was not
Intended to pass into -law this session, he should nut oppose
its intro:.uction.
Mr. STEUART had nen so much of the unsatisfactory
working of this system in Scotland, that he was unfavourable
to its introduction into England. He moved the adjourn-
ment of the debate.
Mr. BLACKMORE did not think the introduction of
the bill at that moment would be injurious.
Leave was then given to loving in the bill.
Mr. J. A. SMITH moved for leave to bring in a bill for
discharging claims of the New Zealand Company on the
proceeds of toles of matte lands in New Zealand.
Sir J. Trelaseny objected ; but upon explanations given by
Mr. Labouchere and Mr. Smith. the motion was agreed to.
Upon the motion of Sir J. RAMSDEN, the Select Gm-
mitten to prepare Estimates of the Charge of the Disem-
bodied Militia of Great Britain and Ireland for the year
ending the 31st of March, 1868, was nominated.
The Oxford University Bill was read a second time.
Ceher bills were forwarded • stage, and the house ad-
journed at ten minutes past one o'clock.

NEW ELECTION COMMITTEES.
Yesterday the General Committee of Elections met et half-
put four, and proceeded to strike the following new election
committees:
GLOUCESTER, CITY.—MC. 8. E. De Vere, Mr. E. B.
Farnham, Mr. G. Riley, Mr. G. &Lae?, and Lord R.
Grosvenor (chairman).
GREAT 1 AILMOCTO.—ME. H. M. Clifford, Mr. C. G.
The PO, Mr. W. J. Garnett, Colonel Maxwell, and the But
of Mink (chairman).
CLAns, Counvv.—ftir T. G. Colebrook, Bart, Mr. E.
Holland, Mr. Hawley Hughes, Mr. Jno. Tollemsche, and
General Peel (chairman).
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T. 191 DSOGIIEDA PISTITION.—We understand that the
Mgtda.Prewmted against the return of Mr. M'Cann for
will be pr omented to rho Lnt. Wean told that
his Grate the Lord Primate will be summoned by the pe.i.
timer for examination, twatt r with two or three of the
oseholic clergy of DtogluXls.-I,widolk Democrat.