The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-04 00:00:00

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whlekelteW hem beams payable hen hda la rupee of each
prewiew preekefoly to the tust day of Jesus, thea melt
rweeeithes."
Ws W. SOMERVILLE eepned the Rodeo, teaser ace
of the meta features of LIM bill was, that it Winded ow the
parent of rater prior to vette,.
TM lam divided—
For the nodes

W ciesuatittese would support tie shamus La adhering to ,
W anal rake of ereaduedag the Imeinese. (Hear, kear.)
Mr. OSBORNE Wadi( the hen. and learned geatiemen
monks wool& take the onertnaity pointed eat of awing
lii clause ?
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Mi. ALPOLE Etat, elthaapikEll Woad* al the
frames of this clause sad the susesedigg owe was so doubt
good, yet he was of °Orden that Alf-would, if inserted,
moseioa mash triable and novas&
The SOLICITOLGENERAL defeaded the slams.
Mr. LEDGE
coamand in the objections et the hos, end
trussed merestma for liidhant (Yr. Walpole.)
The BOLICITOK GENERAL flashy said he would con-
sider the objective, u awarded huh the datum.
Clause 6 was thou agreed to, se was clause 7, is this under-
deeding.
Classes S to 14 were also speed to after • short discussion.
Oa Clause 16 being put,
Mr. WALPOLE said that he objected to this clause alto-
gether, because it traashrred powers to the Muter which
thould be left with the court aloes.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he would ends.-
your to modify the clause so as to obviate the objections of
hie hoe. and learned friend, by specifying more distinctly
the matters to be referred to the Muter. Hie hos. and
learned friend would have an opportunity el eousifering the
amended clause on bringing up the report. (Rear.)
The clause was then agreed to, subject to future amend-
ments.
Clauses from 16 to 28 were agreed to.
Mr. OSBORNE observed that within the last few wei In
the Lord Chancellor of Ireland had given a most extraordi-
nary judgment as to the proceeding. of the court in Ireland.
There was a case in which a stable-helper was receiving 10a.
a-week from an attorney ~f the name of Callaghan, who
made hlm swear to the accounts, the man sot being able to
write. This case was brought before the Muter of the
Rolls, who wrote to the Lord Chancellor, aad recommeaded
that the attorney should be track off the rolls of the court.
To the surprise of the profession, the Lori Chancellor"
merely heard thecae* gave him a lecture, and dismissed him.
Mr. HATCHELLI-The Lord Chancellor who, fur some
years past had had the management of the court had endea-
voured to put an end to this. abuses, arising unfortu-
nately from the atate of property in Ireland. The
appointment of receiver,, their security, and the
mod* of controlling them, was all grounded on the
practice and precedents of the Court of Chancery in
England. They were under the aanas control, and were
bound to account in the man manner.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that according to the
information that had been received from committees on this
subject all the evils were confined to the receiver,' judg
menu. The only mode in which they could gat rid of the
evil was to abolish the power of receivers in all cues of
judgments.
Mr. OSBORNE, in explanation, said that it was supposed
that because he had praised the Master of the Rolls he had
made an attack on the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. But
even if he had made that attack the hon. gentleman who
had jut spoken offered so defence ; no exptanation of the
case to which he had alluded, of a solicitor having ap-
pointed his own stable servant at the rate of tea shillings a
week to act as a receiver, that solicitor in palliation stated
that he knew twenty-three solicitors who did the same
thing.
Mr. K EOO II thought that there was no ground for pass-
ing ninon on the Lad Chancellor. At the same time that
he (Mr. Keogh) rated this he was aa willing as any man
to admit that the greatest abuses existed in Ireland under
the Chancery Courts.
Col. DUNNE expressed his opinion that instead of reform-
ing the Conn of Chancery this bill would have the contrary
effect.

106-80
The ntottatilistsonesquently lost.
On antes 2 being proposed,
Kr. FITZPATRICK moved Its =Won.
The bowls divided—
For Its omission 52
Against it
Kr. ANSTEY moved an amendment on the 6th clause,
which would have the effect of substituting 61. for 81., with
a view to lower the qualification. The bill as it at present
stood would increase the county oonstitnencdes, but eta-
siderably diminish those of cities and towns
After • few words trim Col. Dustin and Kr. Lawl.nee,
in favour of the amendment,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE opposad it, but declined to go
into the question, having already shown on a tingler amend
matt, bp the Lird Mayor of Dubdn, that the calculations
of the kon.meishor, es to the effect of the 81. qualification,

were entirely erroneous.
Mr. BRIGHT observed that every Irish member in
favour of extending the franchise, was decidedly of opinion
that an 81 franchise was too high. (Hear, hear.) But, WI
It was NOW encumbered with a reties for the poor, if the
hon. gentleman's amendment was adopted, it would render
considerable alteration in other parts of the bill.
"MarIiTAFFORD thought that whatever the future
arrangement respecting the grouping of the boroughs was to
be, the noble lord had said that the rate of franchise was
fixed and determinate by this bill.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL dissented from this
*pinks. He had never hoard the noble lord say any such
thing. But after what had pima in committee on the bill,
he thought it would be unwise to unsettle the amount of
tranchise fixed upon.
Mr. AOLIONBY war favourable to the extension of the
franchise, but looking upon the amendment as impracticable
at present, he should follow the advice of a great Irish poll.
titian, and get as much as he could. He should, therefore,
eopport the government.
BERNARD caused some merriment by the way in
which he read an extract from • speech lately delivered by
an lion. numbs r at Crosby hall.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said he was in favour of a full
and fair representation under monarchical institutions, but he
was altogether opposed toe social and democratic revolution,
which be was sorry to find had been advocated by the hon.
member for Oldham at Crosby Hall. The noble lord then
ceortet a passage from Mr. Fox's speech on the occasion re-
to, in which he said that he considered en extension of
the suffrage, vote by ballot, the payment of members of par-
liament, and the redistribution of.tbe electoral districts, as
mere machinery, and not the ends which any rational man
*mid think it worth his while to spend his time in looking
for —that,in fact, they should keep in view tha ultimate
object of a social revolution.
Mr. FOX said that he had explained in the speech quoted
that the revolution he advocated was not one of bloodshed,
plunder, destrocion of our venerated institutions, • redis-
tribution of property, or any such absurdities, but such a
change as would substitute legitimate influence for corrup-
tion and intimidation in the representation of that house.
(Chests.) The mouths which followed those tjuoted by the
noble lord had been brought into public notice by various
publications, and must have equally fallen under observe-
tion, but the noble lord overlooked then.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said he had heard the rpecch of the
bon. gentleman at Crosby-hall, and could say that it was
received with great pleasure by a select body of men, and
net by revolutionists. He should support the amendment.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL also supported it, and twitted the
sable lord (Castlereagh) for claiming exclusive loyalty, and
measuring it by the difference betweea an Si. sad a 51.
TY bran then divided, when there appeared—
,'" the amendment 43
Mr. Vet it
.?. FOX rase to ask the penniseitit tf the boon to
read the corselusfon of the sentence of his speech, the first of
which bad been read by the noble lord opposite. In the re-
I marks which be had made joss now he did not consult the
printed report of the speech, and he had supposed that any
quotation would have been made with that completeness
which was essential to show his meaning. He said the " sc.
compliehment of these objects I should not hesitate to call a
social revo.utioa ;" so far the noble lord read, but he did not
read what followed, "a resolution which:would leave iatact
the principles of the constitution, the maintenance of order
—(cheep)—and the greatest possible amount of liberty, but
a revolution which shall raise into power the intellectual
and moral aristocracy of the country, with ability to govern,
and integrity to western well."
Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the hon. member that
he had no isolation to misquote hire. lie explained to the
house what the purport of the remeind r of the sentence
was, and that he considered the expression, "soda revolu-
tioa," was not nifficif nily qualified by what followed.
• CHATTERTON moved the insertion of a clause,
" that the class of voters usually called ' non resident free.
men' be permitted to vote st the election of members of par-
liament for cities and boroughs, if duly registered and resi-
dent within the county."
After some conversation the clause was withdrawn.
Mr. GROGAN moved the substitution of " 31st August"
for " 31st May" in clause 10, relating to registration, the
object being to extend the qualification under the exist-
ins law.
laid Bahonoo supported and Mr. SCELLY opposed the
amendment.
The house divided—
For the amendment 92
Against it
Mr GROGAN then movtd another amendment to insert
words in clause 47, with a view to prevent the revision courts
being held eimultaneously in Dublin and in other parte of
Ireland.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL opposed the amendment.
Mr. GROGAN withdrew it. He also withdrew amend-
ments, of which he bad given notice, in clauses 63, 04, and
65, so as to make the electoral year commence from the Ist
day of January instead of the let say of Dee.
Col. DUNNE said, feeling the strong objections that
many hon. members had to clause 2, he should, on bringing
up the report, move for its omission.
The amendments having been all gone througo, the bill,
as amended, was ordered to be reported on Friday. PIONEER
,METROPOLITAN ASSOCIATION_ FO
COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL. ILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill, Mr. BUNNING THE a,i&D.—, esteruay evening the annual meet.
Bensni. in the chair. lag of this society was held at the Mechanics' Institute,
Gould square, Crotched-friers ; Mr. Nicholls in the chair.
Mr. STUART said he had given notice of an instruction
He raid, that the objects of this association were to protect
to the committee to insert a clauie that should provide a
the living from the pestiferous exhalations of the dead, by
remedy for what he thought every body who had at-
decompanng the body by fire. It proposed to construct au
tended to the discussions in the Court of Chancery in
edifice for a funeral pyre in the immediate vicinity of Lon-
Ireland, and every body who had attended to the state
don, upon principles that will assure a combination of the
of landed property in Ireland most admit to be one
greatest elite' ney that science could devise. In connection
of the greatest evils that had afflicted that country.
It proposed to give the Lard Chancellor of Ireland with the funeral pyre, the society intended to establish •
you power so to „golds the system of receivers, by garden for the reception of urns, tablets., and other funeral
monuments; and for the erection of public tombs, in which
orders framed for that rupees, and war as follows:
to deposit the ashes of those who shall not be provided with
" That it appears that great evils exist in the management
unto for that purpose. Resolutions in accordance with the
of estates over which receivers are appointed by the Court
of Clammy in Ireland, and that such evils are in some objeeU of the meeting were adopted.
degree occasioned by the want of sufficient jurisdiction in A DEPUTATION OF COAL MINERS from Newcastle
the said Court of Chancery to authorise such expenditure and Durham, accompanied by Mr. Horatio Miller, had an
and proceedings as may be necessary for the due and provi- interview with Sir Robert Peel yesterday, at his residence,
dent management of these estates for the benefit of the par- in Whitehall-gardens, when the right hon. baronet ex-
tits interested—be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for the pressed his sympathy for the operatives engaged in their
Lord Chancellor of Ireland to make and Issue Gook gonna' perilous occupation, and his resolution to support their cause
orders from time to time as he may think advisable for the when it was brought before the legislature.
due and provident management of such estates ; and, in par- THE CORPORATION OP SUNDERLAND AND THE
Resler, for authorising, regulating, and giving effect to, the WINDOW Darius.—At the quarterly meeting of the council
allocation in behalf of persons interested in any estate over held on Wednesday, the Mayor presiding, Mr. Potts roes
which a receiver is appointed ; to enable any such receiver, and said they had some time ago agreed to transmit to Sir
out of the rents and profits of any estate under his manage- Hedworth Williamson, a petition against the window duties.
ment, with the slued= of the court, to make such nommary As a member bf the council, and more especially as repre•
end proper repairs and improvements on such estate ; and montane' of this borough, it was Sir Hedworth'a duty to
fur removing or ejecting tenants ; and for letting such have inquired whether that petition cams from • section of
estates to proper tenants, on leases for any term not exceed- the corporation, cr whether it was unanimously agreed to ;
log seven years, or from year to year, as may be most Deng- or he ought to ave
ascertained the sentiments of his coned-
ficial for the due and provident management theme/ ; also talents on the subject, and if he had so, he would have
for the pealing of accounts, for regulating and enforcing found that there was but one opinion—and that in favour of
payment into the court, or in such other manner as the the petition. But what had he done ? He bad actually
court may direct, of the balance in the hands of the re- voted against the repeal of these duties ; and he (Mr. Potts)
ceiver.' Tois would nuattili the evils which the committee knew not one ground on which that vote could be justified,
had pointed out. seeing that the petition which they sent to parliament
The CHAIRMAN said if this was proposed as • new was universally approved of by all parties in the
clause, it mast be moved at the end of the bill. town. He would do nothing more than bring the
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL proposed to state the matter before the board ; but whilst he did so in reference
soiree be mast to pursue on this q to Sir Hedworth, it was to be noted that the other
The CHAIRMAN said it would be better for the cam- member for this town was absent from his post on the mela-
mine* to preened with regularity. don to which be referred. Whether he would have sup-
Mr. OSBORNE, as a member of the committee to which ported their petition or not he could not say, bat it was his
Stuart Mr. hod alluded, hoped that no men forms of the duty to amount to this town, if not to the country, for his ab
hoses would prevent attention being drawn to this Wiper- senor at such an important division. The change was called
tent question. Two of the first lawyers in Ireland (Sir E. for by the voice of the whole country, and yet by a small
Sudden and the Mater el the Rolls) kid said— majority whittle would have been turned by the votes of
The CHAIRMAN begged the boa member's pardon, bat the members for lianderland, they had lost it. He con
as was oat of order. (Laughter.) eluded by expressing his indignation at the conduct of Sr
Mr. STUART said he hail meant to move this as an ice. Hedworth and hisastoniahment at that of Mr. Hudson, when
ethweden Se the sorami,tee and he hoped the formsOf the it was so well known that the subject of the window duties
beam wield not be pressed against Lira. would come en for diecuseiou at that time. Dr. Brown
Ms. OSBORNE Veined to discuss the question as • considered that Mr. Potts had very properly abstained
matter of right. They were in committee on • bill which hose founding any resolution on this matter. He had had
dealt with the Court of Chancery, a court which bad jerk- • conversation with Siir Hedworth Williamson on the
&ICover two minims worth of property. subject, and he stated that, although anxious for the
CHAIRMAN said he Mt bound again to interfere, repeal of the window tax, he voted as be did, convinced,
we se roe on tb committee too importance of adhering to that had the government been defeated they could not have
deseareles, whish had always been observed sloop he kad carried on the administration of affairs; he purely and
Ned the offiee et Aurorae. (Hear, hear) simply yielded to the necessities of government. Mr. Morley
Mr. 08801tNit —Then does tue hoe. and learned Solid. remarked that it was well known this town had suffered
Isr-Geseral meta to quash all assegais° on the bill. more than perhaps any other, from a dreadful disease which
The SOLICITOR-LIRNBRAL said, on the other hand, had attacked it on several occasions. There was little use
be wae maims for it, bw. had been called to order. of sending petitions to parliament if no attention was paid
After a eonnoiallast en the point of order, in which Mr. to them. Government might say they could not do with.
STOITIT, Mr. 011100111111,aod Kr. PAUNCH took part, out the money produced by the window tax; but where
Mr. 0. HAMILTON said if the question could not be was the necessity for an Africa* squadron, which cost a
dieettrod In eounitittee he would move that the cheirssan great deal, end did harm rather than swod. (Hear, bear.)
report program, and aleave to sit again. The very peers:Rent which opposed the repeal of the
Mr. lABOUCHIIRR said an opportunity for the dime. window tax, established a board of health ; and he would
sloe would be tended after the other clauses were geese ask whether a board of health and • window tax were con-
through, by moving the addition of a new clause. lie hoped patibie with each other 2 The subject then dropped.

After an observation from Mr. 0611011 Ni,
Mr. KEOGH said it was hi. strong opinion that solicitor
should not be appointed [MIMI.
Major BLACK ALL moved that the chairman report
Proitreas.
The CHAIRMAN pat clause 30, which was agreed to.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL proposed to fill up certain
blanks 'wresting salary. The Secretary to the Master of the
Rolls, 3001.; Secretary to the Lord Chancellor, 8001 ; As-
sistant Cietk to Mister, 5001. ; expenses of office, 1001.

Clauses 31 to 37 were agreed to..
On the compensation clause 34,
Mr. OROOAN moved that compensation be given to the
writing clerks in the Muter'. office.
The SOLICITOR-OHNERAL resisted the proposition,
and the ewamittae divided.
For the amendment 26
Against it
The thus' was then agreed to.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL proposed now to recom-
mit the bill, in order that it might be printed with the
amendments. . .

The bill was accordingly recommitted, the amendments
were inserted, the house resumed, aid the bill as amended
ordered to be reported.
ECCLESIASTICAL PREFERMENTS.
Upon the motion of Sir B HALL, the following return
was ordered : Return showing the several pieces of prefer-
ment held by every archbishop, bishop, dean, archdeacon,
chancellor, precentor, succentor, prebendary, or cinch,
together with the value of each of such pieces of pref.:meat,
and the number of houses attached to each of such pieces of
preferment.
MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR.
Colonel SALWEY moved for • return of the
' sums voted by parliament for the repairs and alterations of
the buildings for the accommodation of the Military Knights
of Windsor, in Windsor Castle, stating the dates of such
votes, and the aggregate amount since 1828.—Ordered.

COUNTY RATES AND EXPENDITURE DILL

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 4, 1850.