The Express.
London, England, 1861-07-11 00:00:00

CHURCH RATES LAW AMENDMENT BILL

Ilpee the notice for the mood reeling ,4 this 1.01,
Mr. HUBBARD mid the measure on the subject
Amish sates whisk kW met acceptance in that home of late
peers tom • very brief but ex re measure for
their imam shekels. That bill, bcwever, received
eastimmUy iliscreemag support until at leugth it was
repeted, esd the irmatios sow was, in what way should
thee cadences le put an end to the unsatisfactory state of
limp at preernt esistiag. Is all the measures hitherto
hri.Alit formed th lost bees a thorough al neption
id the church al Itaclaiel, and. in fact, be felt they were resent
4. he the iir4 ..serws of attacks upon the authority of
the established church. He utterly denied that it was caw
amtest with the law of the land, or required by We law of re-
ligious liberty. Mat a miaority of the community should ssy to
ehorylimen. " Yoe shall not tax yourselves for your ions
purports." 'Thor thooglit they were able to decide for them-
mites whet eima ler their own istereet, and all thee asked
os. to be let alone Cut adinitted there were 1:11)* •In
~.alietins with china' rates in which the mutinies
.4 religiees Mart. did warrant the nonconforuteda
is swag, " Release its from this tea." He was
quitepropmed to misuse them. The main proviarims of the
proem& memo defined the mimosas to which church
rates engirt to be applied, onstitutal modern ecclemostioal
districts tots pariahs'. a. f..r as church rates were conceroed,
surd leawdarred all 101,;utiim cm church rates from the
meleimtad enacts to the isrunty courts or quarter serious,
or the arporior zonsinon L.w court. ; but it pnipused to deal
with those matters without in any way iaterfenug with the
poster eceleisiatiail jur..-::ctioti of the higher dignitaries of
the church. The hill would also assimilate the mr 1. M
which church rates were meowed and collected to the rood.
is which the poor ratm were at present assessed and collected.
lie demzed to effect the object in view in the way the least
possibly offensive to the prepidime of the dissenters But
hr 'chimed if the church were to give up hutch rates
altogether, :in attack on Al reli.rious endimments would
follow. With regard to this speedic measure he did not
think it posiolde at tie, advanced period of the senior) to
catty it, sad be would therefore move that the order be
iliecharged.
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J7TI:EL AWNY did Dot know whether strictly ;leak-
ier he ought to allow the toil to he withdrawn. He was
himself in the position of • deposed doctor, but he would
give hen goatleinee opposite • little advice. He was afraid
that am their educe to settle this .juestiou they would do
the church soon harm this good. Purim; the nest sin
months has. gentlemen opposite would have time to make
up thew minds se to whist measures they would bring for-
ward neat year. The hog. member (Hr. Hubbard) bad
referred to the Liberation Society and its objects. That
society lied certainly supported his bill as far as it went.
Mr. B. STANHOPE said be thought it was possible to
erne to • campmates on the question, maid he suggested
that if they were to agree upon this, that the church was
the established church of the nation anal had a right to rgi-
cover church rates, bat that on the other hand those who
did not to the church should have the power of
making • aratioo and becoming exempt, they might
mettle the questing..
Mr. J. EWA KT said, in Liverpool church rates had been
practiodly abolished for • great number of years, arid the
pea adopted was this. On the mac paper there was an
item in red ink for church rate, sod if any person objected to
that item he was st liberty to deduct it. A great number
of di seaters who objected to compulsory church rates paid'
this eileatary rate. The amount received was Dot so much
as was collected formerly. but amply sullkieut for the
Vr.74EWDEGATE said the hen. baronet and he were
ahem& greed. He (Mr I.:imamate) thought that church
mks astelit ha abolished melded • substitute could be
lewd ; sag he the beet way of doing this was for
the prmerte te remaia chargeable Rod let every inlaid
rube hit sou private arraagemeat wig his Walked. He
deprenied allies
tie letweee t ell
oe es=aes that would prods°, aa

Hr. T. DI3IIIOOIIIIII rid he beliesed the noorooforroist
body had isat lha had intsotion of compromising this
Indlat_SOil bat umbers opposite were deceiving them-
selves lbw ihwialia they would ewer be able to effect a
theliffethlek nibee. baroDet said the Liberation Swiety
iteisoppeledW WO as far as it west. Why, it was their
WI, Ili was AM astriz•ted to Sir W. Clay, and the nits-
*. illsookbod ki been the wows_ of the Liberatios
ilether. Melia harooet had Wised to so offer of row.
ressin. r Ilid_pssip mod his bill for a fortaaibt to allow
a wriepunita la le carried tato effect. The quentlon hail
b theitheiree, eed they weak! bave to loggia

=we te-iletele sumpeilla mad Ettadd area.
dos Rma ppm the Iski abstain 'maid he awned
Sir .1, PA/UllOllOll sagnated te les the co
he-
lm= WINN at the bec pathwe mho led bet
sort Ili ef Ile heassteibb atember ler
beamed Wee wee lary des ef the weesaffrits who
wail all to 4: have the question eettlod we terms
hili Ina this W bas onatnbatiog to the orb-
bum of the Be thought the hoe. cautioning
had soled ta withdrawing the WM
He bawd oho the We had arrived what
they se& he use le IMINIS amicable settlement at Pia
else the setlissabipat Woes the oommitto
elate ei Lode Ile fact that than alma
fate assedie• was made • mew of attackiag the Ms-
Moira ahem* the argallies in favour of the bill for the
ebellaba at the We led dhatelehad, now the majority mu
sormal Oa the altar had be was williag to behave that
• bap Beebe et the dionalere were sincere in their ob-
ligation, ed ellarehma wok sensuftwar that the question
was set to • anti lactory data end that the friends of the
rasa WV awe set newbseas as the question.
W. =TOMS said be speed in whet ind falka
Wu the Ikea member far Itarkingheas, end
be bad enereled wend diacritics in withdrawing resia
fuv Hie swim

Ths. GRAM sapressecl his astir* COISCINTIOSO
Ilielllllllolllll Obi boa member fur Finsbury. He wee
ene of lbw vlsetliengrlit there should be en compromise an
this spimilen. !less wee only one mode of settlieg it, and
OM ems Viebs
we
the rate. He thought that the
elbinieli et wen set in a position to maintain the
isms lit held co this question.
is J. Teizawsr moved the adjournment of the
debt

The 11,1111[1131 meld at the has. baronet had spoken it
IPMP sei empehmet far him to make • motion.
Ha J. THELOWNY said thee perhaps the house would
aim hita to egdeis. [Tie hoe. .ember spoke io • very
h.wise setwithOandieft
_cite of " Speak up."]
see eodiesteedi be say that he bad sot bora averse to •
= He did sot thick the boa. mein-
11•••witr.tailueseadmil bed treated biro fal
Ile belleeed Yoe Ilk Mal. IS Iwhen eweryocie knew to ir
b y.e
a
them* meendoesid. ea Gee see lass acted to accept a
nnenpeneine eland by ffar O. Gray.
H.C. DOUGLAS rid the has. member for Finsbury
mid Ibis bill weaseled fives the Lamed= Society. Now,
ins beneeed to be it meether el • oteuestite which sat la
NHL awl We YR woe draws up Is eatesqueses et the pro.
swigs before that eimemitteo mod before the litlentise
laity vr is existeeee Hs did mot think that the Imo.
Lout vas oyes I. the stiletto et the M. wank" fur
lissbary. He behead they woad set be Ole to melds lade
gerdise by any compoiteim except it were lisuadal •• fhe
voksikoy palmeipis
The arise ea the bill was then discharged.

NEW HENNES-

Odesll L. Wzrrii;sk tee uTiihsmod his seat for Lop,-
kat The lea raambet was tat:clam! by Coloemil Fres&
owl Ur. lake,.

VAOVINATION BILL.

ON 1119 CO Übe Vacciaa•
inn NM
Mr.?. 1/1/1030111111 ebjaetod to it, urgiag that two years
=dr anassed Oat so compulsory lestillatios thin
add au ingiusy Lad bass Ea&
Ma mad id njotlioa
M. LOVE did that in 10.53 • measure for eienribley
nadir lien we pada, and gnu now law. Thin was a
defeat lw ifrt Mona, idrsuch as it did not previa, far
alas prone seeing for the woollies immersed
sad de ad bed laid hid disuse. The object of this bill
sad
be dasedy that doled He did that j revicias to a
whim al eangioldey dareadion the drat! from small-
psi dm dry nunaelows ; but from that time they Jo•
ernred, dig the set fell into demetude. when the
magallby mei ; tins shawl; that the mortality,
alladmilse, wan ia proportion to the amount of saw-
mills.

NITTORD supposed his approval of the bill, mid
thist the *bit hew. erutleman w milt gis why
la hi idimillam wet te seed it to • selecttee.
ODNLKGILhX,, impaling the hill. mid he believed
thslissety mom hod sever recovered from the ill effects
=by memasi um os, awl that the operatiou Li it
had awed ereptieee of a very pootful character.
liodoeht me, method rose gave their test,riooy to (Avow
ed mesilitism, but the sayint " them u uothiog IJte
islimPrie= perhapa, aa well to the medical u to ituy
ether
The mteredneet wet thee negatived without a dividou,
wad the home meat into committee upon the bill.
Chem leas agreed to without say discasaioa.
Upon deem T.
ATIITON objected to the clause se iotrodecing •
Reuel pehrigid It would be uajust to impose ow usof-
faillart potshot the upon* of proteeumeg tadictdoels
mile the ad

W. HitiletlY eirjostoil to • medical officer haring a
=esnominion to institute nrceerattons, and thought
be MEOW to lb eau leelrict. .

001111NOILILM aid it was a prose and arbitrary in-
iringeornt ef the NW*, of the sainect to empower the
ie tais sole ei the elovereetest, to go into private
led Wei ea She performance d an operittsoo to
esti& erne peseelle ukshe him • strong end Aare well-
head ehjanties. he his ewe pert. he d.clared that be
went esid& the law if there were tea acts of pubs.
amt. rests.)Ir. - to azuendmenta exacting that the
sessikendesheeid moldy thAt the costs should be mid, and
Amid On asr,!y theareount.

ATZTON'aind that II the other oak of vaccination
van •onimmn 4141110 ea t: ninon. ounht al-o to In
pail in dr nine my, brigand of being thrown upon MAI
wish.