The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-08 00:00:00

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state. She awn prevailed, unhappily, upon the
• srmeat a alga soma kind of mit sailed she con-
-11111 Limas. by whin it wee stipulated that
should ban only 40.000 trams In those
.tosid=se ' wham Turkey had an equal amber.
obtained thin did not adhere to her own
olswalles, =wee dead ow the la of histlloy. She had
ea • large seen la IS* atonality. He thought that
s ashjest maim ligation own MA be pressed upon
tits amain of his Doha Mead. He was well aware
that it had as, whoa first he beaten it
_forward.
rivetted daallatin of the salary, and Is thought that
vas a riallININ pickup., why his anis Mead did not employ
more imaged@ senores at the Has than he did. Bat the
•isatry woo sow tamed ors rinitia. It was deter-
mined to manna the ' col the Ottawa empire.
Every goversommt Is eMesiM imd desisted that, as well
the government of the Doles a Wellington, that of the
right hat. smoother he Totowa* as that of his noble
Mad, and oven tholeaprotoitiosist government, whose
advent they had bees to aspect, would, he presumed,
follow thews. course • for on a former constion the bon.
member for Bacicingbainstilre had in strong and, he must
say, in wry eloquent taus, retarded his conviction that it
is this Interest of this country and of Imps to follow that
course. Now, in arguing this matter, he would not be
apposed to bean advocate of war. He believed that in the
prosiest anemia was was altogether asaiteessay. A. pat
deal had bees maid about Russopbobia, and he was consedered
to be affected with that malady. He woad tell them how
tar he was a Ressophobist. He was quite °maimed that
when this country spoke in preset to Russia, and told
her that she wenn not have certain thief's done,
that the vase of this anintry would be obeyed,
and that she would have no occasion to mike it heard
by the roar of smarm. He knew that it was a perfect
faros to tack of Russia misting the power of this country for
a Biagio day. At the mss time, he wee se tar infested with
Russophobla, that ha was not disposed to take such a course
as weld tun that weakness into an overpowering might.
lie was not deposed to allow Russia to ream the most
tends portioa of the globe, nor the second station ; because,
1 if that were dose, she would no longer be weak—she would
as longer be obliged to come into such measures as this onto.
try should state' bat she will have made a great stretch
' Mara usivereal empire. She would threaten our Indian
' empire and our 00111laeree, acd then fora us into a war,
of which there was now no danger, nor was there any
occasion for it. The house had a right to know what
had been done in this matter, that they might exercise that
supervision over the Ws of the government which the
node lord on • former occasion said it was its right
and duty to do His noble friend would do right
by the country in so doing, and give him leave
to say it was exceedingly desirable for his own character as
a minister, and in order that he might stand right with the
people of this country, and continue to have that good
opinion whin, he was happy to say, he had for a loop
period enjoyed. It was necessary tee this purpose that he
should furnish the house with all the information. And he
the more earnestly called upon the noble lord to do this,
because he had on former occasions been exceedingly ener-
getic in pressing the government to give information, an.
not only that, but he had made it a boast that the govern.
meat to which he belonged has more than any other fur-
nished informaticn when it was required by the majority of
this house.

Lord PALMERSTON said his hon. friend had travelled
over so wide a field that he was persuaded the house d d
not expect that he should follow him through all those earl
oars and important transactions to which his 'leech had re.
laud. He would assure hie hon. friend that is was the
wish of her Majesty's government to give all the inform.,
don concerning those transactions which it might be consist-
ent with the public interest and with those courtesies
which were due between government and government to
afford. But the motion with which he bad concluded em•
braced so large a mw of correspondence, comprising not
only all the confidential communications between her Ma-
jetty's government and our ambassadors and ministers
abroad, but also communications between other govern.
meets, and which knowledge might have been given to the
government of her Majesty, that he trusted his hon. friends
would not thick that he was asking too much of their
forbearance if he entreated them not to press the motion in
the words in which his hon. friend had put it, bet to allow
him to select out of the great mess of papers suck documents
as might explain to the house the course which the govern-
ment bad pursued, withoot giving details which would be
inconvenient to the public service, and injurious to the
confidential relations between her Majesty's govornent tit
and her ministers abroad, and between those
ministers and the ministers of ether governments.
With regned to the war in Hungary, he had
an opportunity last seseLn of stating the view whicn
he entertained of that great question. He could only
say that those feelings and epinioos, which he knew were
entertained by the great masa of the people of this
country, were opinions and feelings which had done
great credit to the country—(cheers) and which
he trured—he could almost say no Englishman—but
he trusted that very few Englishmen would be
disposed to dater from in any respect whatever. At the
same time he was sure the house would feel, that in a matter
in which England had no direct filen' to interfere, that the
functions or the British government in regard to the direc•
tion of erects must necessarily be extremely limited; and,
therefore, that however strong the interest that the storm.
meet of England, representing the public opisim of
this country, might hike in these event., toe house
would naturally suppose that the interference of
the government must necessarily have been restricted within
limits for more narrow than those which their wishes could
extend to. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the principalities
of Wallachia and Moldavia, his hon. friend and himself hail
discussed that question before. Toe house was aware that
Russia stood, with regard to those principalities, upon& foot-
ing different from that which the government of one country
stood with respect to the provinces belonging to another.
There was concluded in the course of last year
the arrangements, it was not a treaty, it was an exchange of
notes, something in the shape of a protocol at Balta-L,man,
by which the two governments engaged that the forces of
Ramis and Turkey in those provinces should after a certain
period be reduced to the amount of 10,000 men. Hie
bon. friend was correct in stating that the Turkisi govern-
ment had carried that into effect. The Russian govern-
went had riot yet done so. He stated a few evenings
ago that he believed, and it was his conviction, that the
Russian government was about to carry that convention into
I effect. His hon. friend did not partake of his oonviction.
He could only my that information which they had received
very lately induced him to think that the Turkish ambassa-
dor at B'. Petersburgh had received assurances to that effect,
and that the amount of the Russian forces in those princi-
palities would speedily be reduced to 10,00) men. He could
seam his hon. friend that he did not in any degree under-
rate the severe pressure which that large number of troops
must be on the inhabitant.. It was perfectly evident that
tne obligation under which they bad laid of providing
for so large a body of troops must have imposed
upon them sacrifices to a painful extent. With regard to
the more important transaction, roonected with the demand
for the refugees—that which took place between the govern.
ments of England and France on the one hand, and the
governments of Russia and Turkey en the other—it was
generally so well known that little remained for him to say
upon it which was not already well known to the public at
large. He should be perfectly ready to give such papers as
would show the mane they pursued on that occasion. It
was well known that after the terminstien of the war in
Hungary a considerable number 01 per ors--Hungarians,
Pules, and some Italians—took refuge in Turkey. A de-
mand was made by the governments of Russia and of
Austria for the surrender of those refugees, of such a num-
ber at least as were Austrian subjects or Russian. That
demand was founded fatten the treaty of Kanagee in regard
to Russia, and of the treaty of Belgrade in regard to Austria.
The Sultan feeling that the obligations of hospitality, which
were considered more paramount in the east than
in any other part of the world, were compul
gory on bias, and looking to the treaty of
Renege*, and seeing that he Ind an alternative, declined
to comply with the demand of surrender, but stated that be
was ready to fulfil the other engagement in the treaty by
expelling the Pules. With regard to the demand of Austria,
it certainly did oot appear that in the treaty of Belgrade
there was any condition which required the Sultan to sur-
render Austrian subjects; and with regard to the Aurrian
demand, therefore, he was still more at liberty to refuse
that. Then, with regard to Russia, the manner in which
these demands were made by the organs of the Russian and
Austrian governments cached alarm in the government
of Turkey es to the consequences which might
follow from a refusal to comply with this de-
mand, even though the government of Turkey found
that they were rot liable to c mply with that demand. In
that state of things the Turkish government turoeci its eye
to those friendly powers to whom it might look for support.
An appeal was made to the government of England, and
also to the government of From, to give frieadly support in
the cireumetanees in which Turkey was placed. Her Ma.
jetty's gt veroment acting, as he th‘eight they did, in strict
unison with the universal feeling of the country, as
was manifested on that occasion (hear, hear), de-
termined to give certain support which the Sultan of
Turkey had asked; and friendly representations wt re made
to the governments of Austria and of Rose a ; explorations
followed, upon which it appeared to her Majesty's go-
vernment, that the Sultan was not bound to comply with
the demands which had been made. Now it was but due to
the Russian government to state that the Sultan having sent
a special ambassador to Petersburg, for the purpose of re-
questing the Emperor to desist from the demand which he
had made, and to accept the other alternative of the treaty ;
it was but just to the Russian government to
state that the day before these friendly representations
reached Petersburg, the Russian government had mode a
communication to the Turkish ambassador, stating that they
would no longer insist upon the demands, end that they
would be content to accept the alternative offered. There
follows d upon that a long negotiation with regard to de-
tailed conditions, which were proposed on the one aide and
objected to, in a certain degree, on the other. Those nego-
tiations ended at last in an arrangement between the
Turk'. It government and the government of Russia, by
which the Turkish goverement agreed tot xpel, es by treaty
it was bound to do, the Polish refugees from the Turkish
territory, and with regard to Austria, to remove the Hun-
garians—not to place them In prison.
Lord DUDLEY STUART—To detain them.
Lord PALMERSTON—To remove them to a distance
from the Austrian frontiers, and to detain them there under
that description of things for which there was no English
word to express it, but what was called astressilince Diplo-
matic relations between Russia and Turkey had been re-
established. Between Austria and Turkey they had
ro: been actually re-established, but by tee last
advises there was every reason to believe that they would
be so in • few days. He hoped his noble friend would
consent to accept the offer he had made, to submit to the
house such portions of tae papers he had moved for as could
be laid upon the table without injury to the public genies ;

and he hoped the house would believe , him when he stated
that then were substantial reasons why it was not in his
power to mobmde to the mottos in the form in which his noble
Mend had submitted it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. C. ANSTRY had not changed his opinion as to this
cowardice and cruelty of Regan, or the MI aft nammity of the
Porte. He saw no reason why all the parses should not be
produced. It was fit that the country should have some as.
serene, that the language of its ministers had been worthy
of the occasion.
Lord D. STUART, in accepting the preposition of Lord
Palmerston, hoped that the papers would be sufficiently mat.
plate. He alluded especially to the stones of aasate.nation
Gad stated, upon the authority of Koesuth himself, that a
warning had been transmitted to him from the Turkish go-
veramat that plots were laid against his lib, from which
they were unable to protest
Lord C. HAMILTON expressed his Indignation that a
member of that hones should, casually, as it were, and by
a sidenind, accuse the Austrian ministers of plotting ea-
Mr. COCKBURN said he hoped his noble friend would
not press his snotlien but would rest satisfied with the as-
surance of the noble lord (Palmerston), that he would pro_
den such palms as would throw a sufficient light on the
coarse of policy punned in these matters. Otherwise it
would seem to him that his noble friend would
imply a doubt of the perfect propriety of the course of
conduct adopted by her Majesty's government. lie thought
the explanations given by the noble lord, the Secretary for
Foreign Affairs, .m the present occasion, and On a farmer
occasion, when he made • speeeh that gave great satisfaction
in the country, should be a sufficient guarantee that the
enures pursued by her Majesty's government, and by the
noble lord, towards Austria and Russia, In the pre-
sent instance, was such as became the honour,
the dignity, and the interests of Unit country,
And therefore he thought his noble friend ought to be
satisfied with such papists as might be produced by the
noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs. (Hear,
tsar.). He held in his hand a publication by
Austria herself—an official document of the number of
executions since the termination of the struggle, and he
had no hesitation In calling it one of the foulest and
bloodiest death rolls that he ever cut his eyes upon.
(Hear, hear.) Alter Hungary had fallen—not by the
power of Austria—(near, hear)—but after she had
fallen by the intervention of Russia, a foreign
invasion and domestic treason. (Hear, hear.) When
Austria had succeeded by these means, and when, if
at all times the victorious party should show forbearance,
there never was a time when foruiveness and forbearance
were more appmpriate and necessary, Austria cut r. d upon
those bloody and atrocious executions which were a diegr,ce
to humanity, at halt in modera times. (Cheers.) lie can.
freed he felt the greatest surprise at hearing any person de-
fending and advocating Austria in those abominable pro-
ceedings. (Hear.) Ile would read a list of those ex. etvions,
and the house would, he was sure, feel horrorstruck at the
noble and illustrious blood shed on this occasion :
EXECUTIONS AND PUNIstIMENTS.
I. Oreacm.
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I. Mr. Ream Lutheran clergyman at Pre.Murg. kneed In June.
2. Mr. Menne*. catholic pries., shot at Raab, end June.
3. Mr. Gonezewiky, Catholic pries., shot m in oet,,ber.
4. Mr. Rudayanasky, Catholic Bishop of New..,l, sentenced to 2
years' imprisonment.
S. Mt. Bartakocies Cathn:ie Mahon of Rawnaul
G. Mr. 14n4A MN Archbishop at Erlau In prima under
7. Mr. Baron Berner, Bishop of Grosswardein • trial tur halt
8. Mr. faro% Great Prior of Gran to loon ; they
9. Mr. Levey, Great Prior of Erlau ure trio' by
10. Mr. Pupories, Greek Bishop or Molokai:* court-martin.
11. Mr. Ilsobner, Lutheran Be•hop, deal In prison.
13. Mr. Packh. Lutheran Bishop, hidden In the mountain., prawcuted
by ti e He. and Cry.
13. Mr. Michael Toth. Calvinist clergyman at Dehreezia he mon
eloquent ;reacher), sentenced to 18 year.' impriecinment in
heavy irons.
14. Mr. llornstli, Catholic Bishop of Cninail
IS. Mr. Jekelfaluwiy, Catho:ic Bishop of 2,pren Refugees.
16. Baron Mednyanszky, Catholic canon

IL STArr.

1. Count Loofa Ratthyant, prime Minister, tried by court math') and
abet at Moth; his (11414 CA confiscated.
2. Baron Perenyi (upwards of 70 yeah of age), President of The
House of Lord., and Judge of the Supreme Court, banged at
Penh . estates confiscated.
3. Ban n Jowenak, second Lieutenant of the county of 7eu.ra,
hanged ; comes cootiwated.
4. Mr. Csanyt, UMW. r under Kinsuth, hanged; eututes confiscated.
S. Mr. Petres, High Sheriff of the county of Pre,bwg, shot at
Presburg.
G. Mr. Se.acsway, Secretary of the Diet, hanged at Pesth.
7. Mr. Csei sun, Coun.ellor of the Treasury, hanged at Pcsth.
h. Mr. Novak, Secretary in the Ilome.oftice, shot at Peuth.
9. Count Leopold Nadastly, Privy Councillor, Lord-Lieutenant of
the eonnty of Cameron, imprisoned for four years, sentenced to
pay a fine of 11,01$1.
10. Count Stephan Karolyi, imprieoned for four years, fined 14,0901.,
Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Pusth.
11 Count Sudsy, Lard-Lieutenant tit the county of Nograd, Imprisoned
for two 7, are.
12. Count George Kamlyi, fined 10,000/. for haring shown great Joy
at the arrival of the limners.
13. Mr. 31arczlhanyi. Lcrd-Lieutenant of Trencoen, the first of the
Ociannimers of Hungary, fined 2.0001.
The number of the shot and imprisoned of no WO station is much
greater.
1 General Kies, shot at Arad.
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2. Gtrat-r..1 tfy, .hot at Arad.
3. t. I 8 btreidel, shot at Aral

!. Gent ral Torok, Ent at And.

S. General Lazar, h .nged ►t Arad.
General hanpd a: Arad.
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7. Gentral Count I;lnini;en, huted at And.

S. General Count %every hanged at And.

9. General Navy :Amor, hanged at Arad.
!? General Ataich banked at Arad.

h 47141:" d at Arad.

U. General Fiiiiri;s37:tian;;Lltlrad.
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General Panii;Tlicia,.banie-4;t•Arad.

11. Colonel liminez? wt Arod.
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C...10uel Prime 'monk .ky, lunged at Peath.
16. Oaloncl Ormay, lunged at Froth.
17. Cohmel Sall, .hot zt Teeth
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la. Colonel Heripn Mednyanoky. hanged at Freeburg.
19. Colonel Gruber. lunged at Pre#burg.
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20. Major AbanoOtirt, hinged at Preen:UT.
21. Mayes Goon, hannes at Presburg.
22. Mare Felten, hanged at Pentb.
23. Major Murtnann, Phot at Temearar.
24. Mare Leper, shot at Panesora.
15. General Mora.
2i. General Count Lizir,`imprisoned from the to eight years.
27. General Ginntr,
2n. Lieutenant Ite.d./bushal prabowsky, ander trial.

Some 3a colonels sentenced to Is years imprisonment in heavy
irons; some ail lieutenent-colonela and majors, to li years in
heavy irons. /el the officers of the Hancerian army .h, had not
served heroes in the Austrian army were sent to the army as private
saddler., who ran be Bogged by the simple order of their ettlese. This
la the core with Count Stephan &ternary, Baron Frederic Podia,
nieitaky. Count Gustav Batthy.ini, the eon of the count well known in
England; of Baron Liptay, of Mr. Paul Cary, and a hundred others.

In addition to these in lividnala two women of rank, the
dauehter of the Bishop Haubner, of Raab, and Mn. Ma-
derspach, at Ruskberg, were sentenced to he ti ggsd. And
not only was sentence passed, but it was actually carried into
ezecut•on. (Rear, hear.) And in the face at ad ibis were
they to hear it said that the noble lord was to blame when
he asked for some security that protection would be given to
the unfortunate refugees that their hoes should not be prac-
tised upon, if not by the Austrian government, and at their
instigation, at least by Austrian sub:eats, who perhaps knew
what would be most agreeable to their government. (Hears
hear.)

Mr. DISRAELI said that the observations of the hon.
and learned gentleman rendered it necessary ti r him to say
a word in vindication of the coure pursued by the eohle lord
babied him. lie congratulated the hon. and learned gentle-
man and his friends on their sympathy with Presidents of
the Council, and especially with bishops. (" Hear, hear,"
and Laughter.) That must be very satisfactory to the con-
servative party in this country. The hon. gentlemen read
a list cf the executions which took place in Iluoirmy after
the termination of the unhappy civil war which rood there.
They must all deeply deplore such events, but they could
form no opinion from these circumstances whstta, r the cause
which the hon. gentlemen advocated or that of the victors
was the just end right one in tee present ease. The catas-
trophe did not demonstrate which bad justice on their side.
If these persons mentiosird by the hon. Lind :a arued gentle-
man engaged in an unrighteous cause, they were the victims
of their own ;asinine and want of judgment ; if. on the other
hand, their cause was the just one, they were martyrs and
heron. He thought the history of England tome-tied et -
ample. of similar a 'centime, even since the adveut of the
present family to the throne. What did hen ntlemen
think of the executions of the Earl of D. rwentwa!er and the
accomplished and gallant Balmerino, when it w s thought
rignt or just to have receutse to such reine.:ies aed to coun-
tenance such atrocities. Therefore the los read al the bon.
and learned gentleman, even supposing it to he euthentio,
proved nothing whatever. The noble lord should not have
insinuated assassination and murder against the ..Ity of her
M ajesty's government without being able to brave forward
at least very strong grounds for his statement. Ile therefore
considered the expressions of the noble lord the member for
Marylebone were the most unwarrantable ever delivered
in that house. (Hear, hear) With regard t• the
general political subject before the house he would make
but one or two observations. Nothing was more gratifying
to him than to tit-al that there was so general a sympathy in
the house for the independence sod integr.ty of the Turkish
Empire. (Cheer.) He always believed that the main-
tenance of the integrity and independence of that empire
was essential to the peace and permanent prosperity of the
civilised world.:(Hear, hear.) H. had endeavoured to im-
press his views on a former occasion on the house, hut he
was in a minority. He oongratulated the noble lord
the Secretary of State, who had had of lute rather hard
times of it, and also on that evening in referenc- to the sub-
ject before them. lie recollected when a certain hon. gen-
tleman entered that house he expressed his intention of Im-
peaching that minister; yet he saw that gentleman there
riady to support him on the present occasion. (clear, hear.)
He (Mr. Disraeli) never considered the noble 1-rd a leader;
neither hail he given him credit on the other hand for slight
and limited abilities, as those who formerly denounced Ma
wen not ready to award. lie always red that that
noble lord would have managed affairs very well if it
had not been for the liberal party in that hotter. who. 00
all occasions, ignorant of the subject on wnich they spoke,
took the most extreme and erron'ous opinions—(laughter)
—and who first hallooed on this country against Turkey,
and then, when they had done Maslen:able mischief, found
out that the existence of Turkey was essential to the
interests of England. (Hear, hear.)
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Sir DE LACY EVANS, who was almost totally inaudible
in the gallery, was understood to say that the Hungarian
constitution was one "(the oldest in &wog* His hon. and
learned friend, Mr. Cockburn', had that night read a hit of
blood and crulll unsurpa.sed in the annals of any country's
atro- ities : and he was astonished that in that house such
deeds could meet, he would nut say with approval, but
even with palliation. (Hear, hear.)
Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON begged te say one word,
in explanation. He had never said that the Hungarian
constitution was not one of the oldest in Europe. In tact,
he believed it dated wren years atter Magna Charts.