The Express.
London, England, 1861-06-14 00:00:00

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Mr. CRAWI ss:d the Indian acis.,unts were, in his
opinion, sufficiently clear, those of the railways being kept
distinct.

Mr. AYRTO7.‘; observed that if the railway companies
could net obtain sufficient capital to carry on the works
sanctioned by the ludian government, it was necessary to
ask the house for power to raise a loan for that ptupose.
The capital would be expended upon works of a reproduc-
tive character.

Sir C. WOOD, premising that it was inconvenient to
mix up this loan Lill with the general finances of India,
with which it had no essential connexion, proceeded, in
reply to Sir H. Willoughby, to justify the view he had
taken of the Indian finances is February Lat., and repeated
what he had said in introducing the bill—that the necessity
for the loan amen from his not having at home a suffiaen
amount in hand of railway money.
The house then went into committee upon the bill, the
clauses of which were agreed to.

EAST INDIA COUNCIL BILL.
On the order for the second reeding of the East India
Council, kc., Bill,
Hr. VANSITTART said he did not see why the revanues
of India should be saddled with the expense of three sepa.
rate councils. He objected to the multiplication of local
boards or councils, of which there were too many already.
111 r. W. FO}WEI:, with reference to the lath wawa
of the bill, empowering the Governor-General to make
rules for the conduct of business at meetings of the
council, asked whether the sesftions were to Le secret or
public, and whether reports would Le made from day to
day, so that public opinion might react, upon the &semi.
siona. He was glad that there were to be local councils.
LAYARD looked at the bill with much favour.
In two respeds, he thought, it would do good to India ; it
would make our government more respected, and give an
opportunity for the employment of natives in the way in
which he wished to see them employed. Heapproved of local
councils, which, among other advantages, he said, would
prepare the way for separate governments ; and he strongly
I urged the policy of allowing natives a voice In the legula•
Coo, instead of their being, as at present, ignored. If the
pisoceedinip of the councils were published, are should be
taken to secure t►e accuracy of the report..
Sir T. COLEBROOKE approved the general scope of the
Lill, which he thought a step in the right direction. He
objected to some of the details.
Colonel SYKES, in the course of his comments upon the
bill, remarked that not a word wea said in it of natives of
India.

Mr. BUXTON and Mr. Kn.-11*nm made a few obscrvat:ons.
Mr. AYRTON adverted to the complex machinery of the
bill, which, he said, gave • constitution to India more
adapted to • joint•tock company. He condemned the
whole scheme of the 1411, and recommended Sir C. Wood to
frame another more consonant with the simplicity of Asiatic
ideas, undoing all the errors of the past.
Sir J. ELPHEN.STONE thought the government would
have done better to introduce • well-considered mesianre
that would have brought the finances of India into a
proper condition.
Mr. H. SEYMOUR replied to Sir J. Elphinstone and
Mr. Ayrton, Mating that he was strongly in favour of the
bill.

Mr C. WOOD was understood to say that, after the
lengthened remarks which he had made at a previous
stage of the bill, it would not be necessary for
him now to detain the house, though be could
not help expressing the great satisfaction it had
given him to witness the reception with which the
measure bad met. As to publicity of the debates in round,
he adhered to the opinion of Lord Canning. He was not
afraid of publicity; but there might be some mischief in
unmitigated, precipitate, and inaccurate publicity. The
opinion which the hon. gentleman the member for South.
yule had expressed had the advantage to be derived from
Intercoune with the native population, was also entirely in
accordance with the views of Lord Wining ; and the object
in limiting the period of serving on the council was to
enable the Governor-General to obtain the assistance of
native chiefs whom be could not expect to serve for two,
much lees for three years. The object of all these bills was
the same—to setters the co-operation of the native subjects
of the Queen. The present one provided for the possibility
of employing them in the councils of the government ; the
Mat, for that of employing them in the highest
courts of adjudication ; and the third, for their employ-
ment in the higher executive offices. The same spirit ran
through the whole—the spirit which animated that policy
which Lord Canning had been most successfully
carrying out, and which he believed, with has
bon. friend, would afford the best security for
the permanence of our rule, for it would make the highest
class of natives, as well as those of low degree, feel that
their own good was bound up in the continuance of our
away. (Hear, hear.) It was the object of these bills to
maintain the perfect equality before the law of all her Ma.
jesty's subjects, without reference to race, or birth, or
religion. That was the spirit in which the proclamation
was conceived that was issued by her Majesty on her
assumption of the government ; and it would be a de-
parture from that spirit to admit by any act whatever that
there could bo the smallest legal distinction between the
different classes of her subjects. (Cheers.) I
The bill was read a second time. 1
The East India High Courts of Judicature Bill, after a
brief conversational debate, was read a second time.
On the motion for the second reading of the East India
Civil Service Bill,
Mr. VANSITTART contended that the bill was calcu-
lated
to do away with the existing competitive system, and
to introduce a motem of nepotism and jobbery.
Mr. LIDDM having made some critical observations
on the bill, but supporting it generally, :
Mr. LAYARD was in favour of the principle of the
enema, ' • yet had not so much confidence in any secretary
for India as to give him the selection of persons fur the
civil service from uncovenanted officials of the seven years'
probation. The difficulty with regard to the appointment
of natives was that there were many obstacles to their
proper preparation for the duties of the service ; but at the
seine tune he approved of the principle of their participa-
tion in the public service.
Lord tTfANLEY said there were two points upon which
the house appeared to have come, not, indeed, to an unani-
mous, but etill to a very general, conclusion. The general
feeling of the house appeared to be that the principle
of the WI was sound but tbat the details would
require considerable attention. He stated when the bill
was brought iu that its principle be entirely approved, but
the more he had been enabled to consider the matter, and
the more he bad been able to gather the opinion of those
interested in and informed upon Indian affeirs, the more
was he persuaded that the two conditions alluded to ought
to be imposed, and not in the form of regulations, liable to
be altered from time to time, but by the bill itself. That
which was of the greatest importance was the limitation of
these admissions into the civil service to those who had re-
sided seven years in India, and to that he was inclined to
hope the right hon. gentleman would not offer any object-
tion. BM as to the other requirement, the teat of know.
ledge of the langusge, he could well understand the
hesitation of the right honourable gentleman, seeing
that appointments might be made to districts
when no knowledge of the language was required.
But, if they were to take the choice lof two opinions, he
thought the possibility of 'excluding men from the service
otherwise qualified would be a less evil than the absence of
any security in the bill. For the appointments in reference
to the collection of the revenue and other departments, he
thought-there should be a proviso to this effect, " that the
same test ati to knowledge of !mammies should be required
!raja those who sought to be admitted to employment
under the provisions of this act as wee required from can-
didates for other offices." If that were Introduced he could
not see that any practical inconvenience would arise to the
service, and that would prevent any abuses taking place
is making appointments either by the Governor• General or
Secretary of State. If that were agreed to the bill would
provide four distinct checks against the improper exercise
of the patronage. He had doubts suggested whether the
confirmation of the Secretary of State, which was one of
the checks to which he had alluded, would be anytlciA
more than &form • end be had also heard it said, " W
any Secretary of itate du snore than what was determined
upon at Calcutta?" But to that he would point out that
since his right hon. friend had been in office there were
two appointments which were made by the authorities in
India. but which his right hon. friend considered were
improperly nude, and had therefore cancelled. (Hear.)
Now if that was hhely to be done at present, when the
Secretary of State was not called upon to interfere actively,
it would be much more likely to be done when the confir-
mation by the home government would be required, and
when the Secretary of State would feel as much as the
Governor-Genend his remora:bin ty. (Hear, hear.) As to
any interference by the council being a check, Le did not
think it could be relied upon. He knew no set of men
than the council who could give opinions upon cases of this
kind more independently, for they had nothing tp hope and
nothing to fear, and they would naturally act in harmony
with the Secretary of State. He had seen enough of
those gentlemen to know that they would have'no feeling of
tenderness for any Secretary of State or Governor-General
it they were inclined to disfavour the suberequedt appoint-
ments. He believed the council would be at all times
at read
the ciinterfere
rcumstsocifes necessary.
did Cot(tHhink, that lel"kil
system of training for the civil service would be ratty in-
terfered with. Tones men would go out to India, and their
whole life would be one of preparation for the higher
offices ; and he believed they would bold their ground
r=iall competitors or ontiiders, or they would be much
r in energy and rapacity' than be had supposed them
to be. (Hear, lear4 He thought the provolone of this
measure would effectually remove that feeling which ex-
isted is India very strongly—vis., jealousy on the part
of unofficial Europeans. which was one of the social
difficulties with which they had to deal in India. (Hear.)
Be believed the bill would-prove a valuable measure, and he
was bound to my that be ocuirmed the opinion of those
hoe. members who recommended that the authority to ap- i
point to offices should bury hi the hill, and not left to .
=lions of the of Siete, and therefore he I
prepared to summit that propedtion, if proposed I

by any boo. member, and to take the sense of the Mine
upou it. tHe.u.)
The debate was continued by Mr. Puller, Sir E. Cole-
brook., Sir B. F ulisr sod Mr. Adam.
'
Sir J. =ova the adjournment of the
debate.
.
Mr DANBY SEYMOUR objected to the adjournment,
and supported the principle of the bill.
Mr. HENLEY thought that the object of the bill was to
evade to a certain extent the system of competition fur
admission to the civil service. He hoped that securities
for the interest of the tied service would be introduced
into there a bill. There was no necessity for postponing the
second ding.
Mr. CRAWFORD, although he had, from Indian ass,.
Mations, viewed the bill with eve item, was now prepared
.
to give his assent to it, some of the securities
suggested were inserted in it.
Sir J. FERGUMON and Mr. TOSIMS having spoken,
Sir C. WOOD did not see that any ground had been
shown for moving the adjournment of the house, for the
di.cuesion had been conducted with great fairness and abi-
lity. He was not surprised that the bill should have ex-
' cited opposition, but be did not believe that it would in the
least injure the civil *eremite of the country. On the ....-
troy, be thanht that their position would be mates idly
strengthened. The fact was the public required more nen.
The covenanted service could not supply a sullicieut num-
ber even of its younger men for the work. ',old
Canning's proposition was that a certain number
of °Been should undergo an examination, in order that t hey
might fill situations under the government, and men of four
I yeas standing might now occupy offices which would here.
tofore have required twelve years' experience. In Bombay,
the collector laving come home there aas no properly qua&
fad aril pervert to take his place, and the duties had bees
fulfilled for three months by the deputy-collector. It seemed
to him that a better tart than a knowledge of the language
would be some proof of the probity of the person ; but he
could not at the moment devise words for that purpose.
He should be quite willing to embody in the bill inch of the
regulatioos as could be
.put in a definite form, and would
nut require future minim. It would be • public conve-
nience to read the bill • mooed time, and he hoped the
amendment would not be pressed.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE said he would withdraw it if
the right hon. gentlemau would fix the committee for
that day fortnight.
Sir C. WOOD would fix it forMondav week.
The house was then cleared, but the amendment wait
allowed to be negatived without • division, and
The bill was reed a mound Mine.
EXCISE AND STAMPS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and
QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT BILL. •
This bill pained through committee.
THE COURTS OF JUSTICE BUILDING BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
TRANSFER OF STOCKB AND ANNUITIES BILL.
The booze went into committee on this bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the object of the bill wee to give to Ireland the advantages
already possessed by England with regard to the shutting of
the stoc6 the only motive for preening it forward Wia
to allow that advantage to come into operation in the case
of the approaching July dividends.
The hill then paned through committee ; end after some
conversation the third reading was szed for Monday.
DEALERS IN OLD METALS BILL.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD moved the second reading of the
bill

Mr. HENLEY thought the provisions of this bill should
be consolidated with the general ctjaliasl law.
Sir G. C. LEWIS thought the principle of the bill was
one to which the house might safely give its assent.
The bill was read assoood time.
The other business was disposed of, and the home ad-
journed at half-past I! o'clock.

PARLIAMANTARY COMMITTERS.

EDUCATION OF DEIFFITUTE CHILDREN.

This committee, appointed to inquire how the
education of destitute and neglected children may be
efilcisatly and economically assisted by say public funds.
met spin yesterday ; Sir S. Noterneors in the chair. The
other members present were Sir J. Pakiugton, Mr. Adder-
, ley, Mr. Lowe, Mr. Liddell, Mr. Black, Mr. Banbury, Mr.
Ode, Mr. Rase, Mr. Bruce, and Sir Salvia Leighton.
Mr. E. J. gytehe, one of the principal agents of the Rag-
ged School Union, nut in a resolution which was agreed to
at a meeting of no omegas. compacted with the London
Schools to the erect, that it is the opinion et this meeting,
considering the special chatacter of the ragged schools, they
should decline goverdoent aid on any consideration what-
ever. There were only three dissentients to the resolution.
After stating the results of his inspection of the schools at
considerable length, the witness stated that a great improve-
ment had taken place in the conduct of the children in the •
neighbourhoods where, ragged schools bad been established. If
such schools did not exist he did not believe that 5 per cent.
of the parents of the children washd vend them to school
and par for their educatioa. If be desired to kill ragged
schools he should ask for a government grant, the effect of
which would be to destroy the missionary spirit, acid get
rid ot the present alms of teachers. The schools worked
well in their own way, and the best thing was to leave theta
alone. With respect to the religious teaching in the schools
he stated that it consisted df general Christianity as founded
on the Scriptures, free from all sectarianism, and that the
children were not requested to attend any particular places
of worship, but were merely desired to go to some house of
God.

The Rev. Mr. Cadman, the next witness, stated that ho
had bad considerable experience in the working of reseed
schools in Chelsea, and St. George's, Southwark. These
schools had not diminished the attendance at the tuitional
schools in the Borough. After the establishment of ragged
schools, and aypeela made in their behalf, the fends of the
national schools increased. He was not aware of any other
way in which the childrea now is ragged schools could be
educated other than in thoseachoots. Supposing plovisiou
could be made for educating the children of out-door
paupers in a satisfactory manlier, dill there would be •
considerable number of children unprovided for. He be-
lieved that ragged schools had operated beneficially both oa
patents and children. The question of granting government
aid was one of great difficulty, and greet difference of
opinion existed on that subject. He should be thankful
for government help if it could be given on conditions which
were not objectionable. He aaw no objection to • pant it
proportion to the number of children instructed in reading,
writing, and arithmetic. Upon the whole be was favour of
a government grant being made to these schools, bet he was
hardly prepared to say on what conditions, not having fully
considered the subject. Perhaps a grant might be given
towards paying the rent, or the salary of the teacher, bet
that wait matter which required peat cossideration.
After some further evidence of a similar isiture bad been
given the committee adjourned.

•
Sr. MARY'S HoltYrfAL.—At a quarterly meeting •
of the board et povaraore. held oe Wednesday, Mr. It
Wade in the chair, supported by Sir Walter Stirling, Rai,
Mr. Kempehead, Son., ihallor took place for the re-eleetiou 4
of the physicians and surgeons, whys it was declared that 3
the following gentlemen were unanimously re-elected, via.: ,4
Dn. Alderson, Tbos. King Chambers, Sawn, and Tyler
Smith ; Messrs. Cleedson, Lane, Ure, Toyntee, and Whiten's'
wofm..
Tea GALWAY SURBIDY. The Freeman's Journal
of yesterday gives the following announcement a prominent
place in its columns :—" We have received the followbe
gratifying intelligence from • correspondent on whom new,
racy we have the moot implicit reliance, and whose mount
of Information is such as to warrant our pledging ourselves
to the very letters( his statement :—' Loudon, /
I hasten to inform you that I have ascertained on the beet
authority that, through the influence of your excellent
Viceroy, Lord Carlisle, whose efforts have been unremitting
in minds, the government are disposed to talcs a favour-
able view of the Galway contract question, and will, in the
drat instance, concede the committee of inquiry sought for
by Mr. Gregory. It is just possible, however, that Mr.
Baxter. party 'nay endeavour to defeat the intentione of the
government, and, therefore, every Irish representative
should be in his place to support the motion, and enable
the government to ant on the sound policy so effectively
enforced by Lord Carbide.' "
Carrot: IN JAMAICA.—We understand that ad-
vices have been received by this packet, from their agent is
Jamaies, by the Jamaica Cotton Company, enclosing the
first pod of Sea Island cotton that has buret from a tree
planted in November last. The anxiety of the people to ,
plant, and especially the small settlers, appears to be very
great, sad they are baying up need in all directions. The
agent of the company states that be has employed about 100
men to clear and born off land in order to a new plantation,
nod that he will undertake to get 1,000 acres planted with-
out delay; and as to picking it, that there will be no want of
hands to get in any quantity that money can be found to
plant. He has been paying Is. per square chain for cutting
down the timber and bosh, and hoeing clean. The Jamaica
Papers speak with high amohation of the plea, and hope
the company will proos in the work with vigour, as one
greatly required for the employment of heads not fit for
auger oultivation.
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