The Express.
London, England, 1861-04-03 00:00:00

(Stamped, id...A (TWOPENCE.

liberal administration, is reform sot we shall ham." They
did turn out Lord Derby. Have they got a tibia set!
(Cries of " No, we want i.," laughter, sad cheers.) Did
think youi will ever the
presentu r'v"un'ttri
bngiu
abierli get
this
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(No.)
i
not from them," laughter, and cheers.) Lamed
upon it, till the people themselves determine
to have it, until they coerce the admiuis-
tratioo whether conservative or liberal, a reform bill
De'll not have (Cheers.) But if you had allowed Lord
rby at that time to bring iu his bill-you could have im-
prove) it iu the House of Commons, methane made it what
you liked-be could have carried it through the house, and
through the House of Lorda, and then, id; we should have
seen iu Sheffield whet, sir, when I mentioned it to some of
my friends-to sonic of my liberal frieuds-I saw a cold
shudder come owes them. They asked me white was the
present ooustituete7 of Sheffield, and what it. would be if
Lent John franchise were to pass. I did not
know exactly what it wonted be, for I bail not looked
I particularly into the statistic.; but I said I thought the
constituency would then amount to about 16,000 or
20.000. (lb. sir, if you had seen tlio.e liberals how
I they kinked when I told them that. (Laughter.)
" Good God! Are you really in earuest !" they asked.
' " Yes," I said ; and then mule out that phrase which, in
the present state of the atmosphere, you can understand,
"All the !obtainables will be swamped." (Laughter and
cheers.) Swamped." oh, yes, sir ; nevertheless, lain for
' the 6/. franchise. I voted for Lord John Russell's bill, mid
so did your other representatives. (Loud applause.) I
voted fur reform with that " bright" gentleman, Mr. White.
(' Hear, bear," and laughter.) Arf but if you were to see
him you would think be is • " ht" gentleman. (Re-
newed laughter.) He put himself forward as • great 're-
former, and I voted with him as your representative to the
effect that the liberal administratioo were not justified in
sot bringing in a bill this year. So that you working men
of Sheffield would have been enfranehised art least three
year-sooner than now, even suppose you get a reform bill
next %ear. This would have been the case if Lord
Derby'i government had not been turned out ; and for sup-
porting that government it is now said I have sold myself,
body and soul, to the conservative admioistmtion (Cheers.)
So far as relates to the first charge. Now, what es to the
next. The next is, that I made an Austrian speech. Well,
but then I know my countrynien well enough to know this,
that if that speech had been spoken by one who was pure
reason itself-if there was au accusation against the nuns who
made the speech, the public mind would be turned towards
the accusations, and not to the argument itself. There-
fore, I will again begin with the imputation. The impute-
tion ia, that I Made that speech because the Aus-
than government had made • contract with me. That
"bright" gentlemen, Mr. White, said that to me in the
Home of Commons. Mr. White sail, "If Mr. Roe-
buck could hfar the statement. made in the city, upon
which there is general curiosity." Now, what dues the
city really say ! It *Rya that Mr. Roebuck has come borne
from Austria, and that he has been in the gilded saloons.
(Laughter.) Why, I think I am in a gilded saloon now.
(Much laughter.) The city also says he has been dining
with archdukes and archduchesses, and he has come home,
with a lucrative oxitract in his pocket. (Laughter.) My i
answer is this. Gilded saloons I have been in, I admit ;1
and really-don't believe me unless you like- have dined
with ad archduke and an archduchies. (Laughter.) Well,
that was not the first time I had dined with a Duke of
Parma. But I have not brought home a lucrative onntract. I
have entered into no contract. I know nothing about a,
contract with the Austriau or any other government.
Well, now, what can I say mom? The speech which I'
made about Austria was made upon careful consideration.
It Dever entered into my mind that anybody should suppose
I came there actually hoimht again and sold to mike an
Austrian speech. I knew I had been for nearly thirty years
fighting the bittlea of the people, and 1 did not expect that
my countrymen could meet me with the 'talcum' that
after thirty years of service, without money or reward, I
have at tenth sold. myself. It comes to that. Now, I have
distiuetly said that I have no contract-1 am oo party to
an contract. Nu contract whatever has been made in which
I have had the slightest portion, except that I gave the
Austrian govertimeut certain advice. Now, what was that
advice? As your representative I was very well known
in Austria, and I recollect one gentleman mying-" We
have known that mine thirty years ; we know that be is
what is called a ' ' in your country • but never-
theless, we rather like liberal men." (Laughter.) lam
merely saying what they said. I dare say they were wrong.
(" Hear,hear," and laughter.) They listened to me. They
said, " He is an old parliamentary politicien.-(" Rather;")
-let us hear his advice." My wince was this-and it was
given openly and boldly to the Prime Minister-" Give
your people a parliamentary constitutios; give them
thorough-going self-government ; in their municipalities let
them govern themselves, and have a parliament to repre-
sent the Austrian empire. My object is to make you good
friends of F.ugland. I understand the position of Austria,
and I know that the best friend of England is in
this country. In order to bind England to you, you
must do these two • things-give your people • liberal
constitution, end connect yourselves commercially
with England. " (Cheery.) Now, that was the
advice I gave. And now, let me come to my Aus-
trian speech (Hear, hear.) Oh, yes, you deal " hear."
(Hear, hear.) Now what was the meaning of what I said!
Twill give you • very rapid statement of what I did say,
and the grounds for it. I said the Italian question really
involved European politics. On the north-west of Italy
there is • greet power called France. On the north-east of
Italy there is a great power called Austria. Now I looked
at this question as au Englishman. It may be very sorrow-
minded, but I have taught myself to believe that what is
for Einglaud's interest is for the world's-(hear, hem)-and
when I bring my mind to believe that anything is really be-
neficial to the good people of England-believing that we
' stand in the van of freedom, being. the great light of the
liberal world-I hold that what is for the benefit of Bag
lead is for the benefit of mankind. (t seers.) What, then,
do I want! I want to see a free and au independent Italy.
(Hear, hear.) 1 say at present that it is all very well to
talk about a free and independent Italy. Some people go
to war "for an (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) That
idea is embo lied • large country, and they run themselves
up to the top of the Alps by taking Nice and Savoy. Since
the days of Charles VIII. of France. France has hail her
eye on Italy ; and my idea is to check France so that, when
111taati: united-which she is not mow-she shall be ao mode-
. l Italy, not the vassal of France. (Chem..) At the
present moment-(1 said at that time, speaking from the
information of newspapers)-France has 40,000 meu now
in Rome. But lam told by the Tames that I was in
error, and that there are only 20,000 French soldiers in
Rome. I want to know why that wedge of French troops
should be driven between north amid south Italy and keep
possession of Borne. (Hear, hear.) I who have no faith
-as I said in the British House of Commons, and as I
say here-I who have no faith in Louis Napoleon-(ap-
plause)`-said I wanted these troops away. And in, belief
is, that for the sake of Italy, for the sake of England, for
the sake of iudependence generally, the old Italian policy
ought to be carried out in Italy-namely, the balancing of
one power against another. France is • large and threaten-
ing cloud overhanging Italy from the crest of the Alp,
They have wished-the Emperor of the French has wished
-to have his family is Italy. But my desire is that the
Mediterranean should OA be • French lake, and that
English vessels should sail there as safely as in the
English channel'. My object then was to recommend
to the administration of Lord Fain:terabit that they

should really have no interference that they should
have no interference with political transactions abroad
—that norrintereention should really be their
motto. (Hear, bear.) Now, bow was I answered' "We
don't intend to interfere." " Well, then," I said, "ab-
stain from recommending to Austria to withdraw altogether
from Venetia." (" Hear, hear," and some disapprolatioo.)
Now that was the question between us ; sod I want to
know, as • politician, whether, because that is my opinion,
I am unworthy to be your representative, and must be told
that I have sold myself body and soul becalm that is my
opinion. (" You are wrong, however.") Well, that is my
opinion ; and I say now at this moment that Austria hay-
keg given • liberal constitution to • great part of
her dominloos—(No, no)—it is all very well to say
" No," but I have the constitution here in the
town. (Laughter and cheer) The constitution has
been sent me. I have bad it bound, and brought it down,
and it is at the house of your honoured Mayor. (" It
would be better in Austria! " cheers, and great hooting.) I
hope you will allow every one who chooses to express his
opinion. (Turning to the direction from whence the inter-
ruption camel—Just check your impatience • little while.
I cannot talk for ever, and then comes you turn. Well, sir,
that is my opinion : I believe that you can check France
better by having Austria on the borders of Italy than by
sending her up to the create of the mountains. "Oh, but,
lam told, " there is beautiful Venice—there is worthy
Mantua—there is learned Padua. Would you have them
under the hoof " (hear, hear)—l know perfectly well
what that " Hear, hear," means—" would you have
them WAD the hoof of what is canal stupid
Austria'" (Hear, hear.) It is very well to say
" Hear, hear." But let me say • word about Am-
iris. I visited the country, and I found in all their
families English books. I found in the country, from one
end to the other, a spirit of liberality springing up. They
said they had gathered it all from the literature of England.
In every family where they could afford it they had an
English governess. (" Well done.") They saw, "Your
literature is rich. We can put Your books in the hands of
our children, which we cannot do with French books ; and,
therefore, our mods have been turned to England. Eng-
land is a glorious country. 'There you can govern your-
selves ; and as surely as the sun rises the time will come
when Austria will be self-governed." Austria has
• constitution ; and depend upon it the people of
that country will be self-governed. To call them " stupid
Austrian" only shows how ignorant they are who say
it—(hear, hau)—for • more instructed, kind, and cour-
teous people I never met with. (Cheers.) V. but now
wait till I've done. " Well but," they say. " all vary
well to say this ; but what do you mean by not admiring
Garibaldi? •' Ido admire him. Garibaldi to my mind's a