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adhere were again once more re-united In one band, and ac-
tuated by a principle of united !tenon. Bat I say with no
more heaitalion that any such union must be founded on
unisity of opinion and principle, and not on any base
attempt to form s combination to overthrow a government,
and to form a disorganised succession to their offices. My
opinions may not bo popular in the prompt day ; but I have
adhered to them fur no inconsiderable period of my life. I am
trio old to change theta now, and they will remain the same
to the end of my life. I intend to maintain to the
tiniest of my ability the institutions of the country; I will
support the prerogative of the crown, I will support the
hereditary rights and independence of your lordshipe house,
I will support the rights of the people, and I will support
the rights and the property of the established church., of
which I have always been an attached member. I derive to
nee her weak places strengthened, and her defects repaired;
so that abo should be held firmly in the affec-
tions of the people; but I will never consent to
withdraw a single stone from the fabric of the
church, on which I look with filial reverence
and affection. (Hear, hear.) I trust your lordehips will
pardon me for obtruding on you en much of my own feelings
and opinions. We do not form an assembly which is an-
swerable to constituents, and we but express our own opi-
nions ; nevertheless, we do not incur the less revponsibility ;
and I am sure your lordships will think that at such a time
a. We wo are bound to utter • frank expression
of our opinions ; that we should be guilty of
no elactiansoring mystery ; but that we should openly
state what our count° has been and what our
worm will be. (Hear, hear.) In the assertion of my
opinions I may expose myself to obloquy, to calumny, and to
miarepresintation, as has before happened to MB, and I hope I
know how to meet them ; but I am sure at boat of this—that
no jixan can say that I tvealhrank..froris tlmaximion_e

h71.—",i7;1 •;iTra

their politkal confidence. (Loud cheers.)
Earl GRANVILLE said ho thought that Lord Derby
bad used his position in that house quite legitimately in
making the speech to which they had just listened, for con-
sidering the conduct of some of his supporters, arid the
natereof the addresses they were putting forth, it seemed
quits natural and right that Lord Derby should make a
natedint which might serve as a model and a standard of
the political creed of the member,' of hie party. After
briefly noticing the financial objections Lord Granville vin-
dicated the home policy of the government, and reminded
theirlordships of the time when Lord Derby was at the
head of • government, end when notwithstanding the vital
on which he differed from the rest of the country ,
Cectutued to meet their lordships night after night, and
form with them on the question of whether or not he
would go to the country for protection or free trade.
d(lifter.) The noble earl twitted ministers with having, in the
ivision in the COIIIIIOMP, on Mr. Locke King's bill, been
found in the due lobby with the opponents of that
mediae. He (Earl Granville) admitted that that was
en "unfortunate contingency"—(" hear, bear," and
laughter from the oppoisition) ; but if the house
would allow him, be would eaphun that circumstance in a
few words. When the bill was first introduced, the govern-
ment, after due deliberation, determined that it should be
supported, with the view of introducing such modifications in
committee ea they thought would effect a useful and prudont
extension of the county franchise ; and it was only when on
a clone admiration of the bill itself, it was found to be on
drafted as not to admit of thaw amendments, and it tea felt
it would be a wade of the time of the house to attempt to
amend it, that the government decided upon opposing the
second reading. (Hear, hear.) But if Lord Derby waled
it to be inferred that bertha they could not support the bill
in question in the shape in which it wan presented to parlia-
ment, that therefore they considered the reforms which
had been effected final, and that the electoral aye-
tern, ar, it at present stood, was susceptible of no
farther improvement, he waa wholly in error. In that
respect, an ID all others, Lord Palmerston's government
pledged themeless to progredve Improvement and reform
in every department of the state. The noble earl then ex-
plaind the course pursued by the government with regard
to Sir John M'Neill and Colonel Tullech, and adverted to
the skill with which Lord Derby had avoided noticing the
many favourable aspects which the foreign relations of this
country now presented, end how clone and intimate was the
understanding which existed with the Emperor of the French,
with Auotrie, and other great Powers of Europe. For
the same ~one Lord Derby had but little dwelt
upon the Persian war, which had so signally main-
tained the honour and intends of this country.
Lord Granvilk eradicated the episcopal bench from the
charge of latitudinerianiam which had been hinted against
am members of it, and regretted that lard Derby
hare made an almost personal stack upon Lord Pal-
merston. The bed answer he could make to that Meek
was to refer ter a moment to Lord Derby's anxiety to
secure the official Berried of Lord Palmerston when
he was seeking to form en administration In
t&.5. In that year the noble earl thought the whole
question of whether he thud uudertake the conduct of the
government or not rested upon the possibility of obtaining
Lord Palidniton'e mistance—not Ina aubordinate position,
but as the leader of the Commons of Eland—(eheetw)—
end not cely that, Out, as his noble hied behind him re-
minded hue, as his Minister for Foreign Affairs—to
" meddle," " dictate," and "interfere."
The Earl of DERBY—That is utterly and entirely erro-
nem.. The position of Foreign Secretary was never, and
would never have been, offered by me to Lord Pathe'atern.
(Hair hear.)
Earl GRANVILLE accepted the denial, and would
seethe that the ronfidence which the noble earl had in the
noble lord was that semi-confidence which would place in his
hands dl the power which was usually visited in the leader ot
the House of Commons. (Cheer*, and a laugh.) Such,
however, were the eirmunstanthe of the offer, and such was
the opinion the noble earl then held of Lord Pal-
merston. He was not aware that the party of the noble
earl had received any general riceeesion of strength or
talent since 1855, and therefore he thought it was by no
means unnatural that the noble earl should wish to enlist
the aid d• gentleman of high character, great attainments,
and much experience in the business of government and par-
lament like Mr. Gladstone. (Hear.) And so far from
jetting to such a combination—though he should naturally
regret to see any man of character and ability leavifig the
liberal ranks—there would, he thought, be great advantage
to the country if the noble earl could succeed in strengthth-
ing his party by the adhesion of gentlemen who in all they
did, and in every vole they gave, would feel that they might
in consequence be called upon take part in the government
themselves. (Cheers.) Well, what happened at the com-
mencement of the present smith ? The session had no
Kamer opened than the loader of the opposition in the other
house and Mr Gladstone were found to be in the most
friendly relations with each other. Speculations were put
forward and queened were asked in the public papers upon
the orubject, to which it was replied
that he (Mr. Gladstone)
could not help it, if the leader of the opposition come to him
to solicit his co-operation in matters upon which they both
felt alike. That view, however, he believed, was deprecated
by the other side, for these observations were not confined to
the liberal and radical papers, sad an article appeared in the
l' saes, as to the authorship of which the noble earl probably
knew more than he did.

of DKRltir—l know nothing of that paw. I
have no connexion with it whatever.

Earl ORANF'ILLP, didnot wish to twit the noble earl
with any connexion with the Neu, but it woe said—whether
right or wrong he knew not—that that paper owed ita circu-
lation to its being regarded as the organ of the conaervative
peaty, and that it received occasionally very important cool-
municationa from the chiefs of that party in reference to
their political intentions. As the noble earl knew—for he
called the attention of their lordships to the fact—there ap-
peered in that paper what purported to be • speech
of the noble earl's in regard to the alleged coali-
tion, in which he refers to the statement of hie
.haring seen Mr. GLeletone and consulted with 'ALL
The noble earl was made to say that " be had heard it
stated that the amendment moved by the hon. member for
West Norfolk originated in a feeling of disapprobation at the
report which had been circulated of • coalition between the
party which the noble earl woo proud to lead and the right
lion. member for the University of Oxford. That report woe
totally false. Ile had never seen Mr. Gladstone upon the
subject, nor had he ever held the slightest communication
with him npon it." And, again, the artielereported the noble
earl to have said, speaking of coalitions, "that no one could
be more opposed to coalitions effected in defiance of political
principle than himself ; but that when members from identity
of sentiment were frequently drawn together to the same
lobby, it woo impossible to doubt that a bond of political
union was eatablishod which no party could refuse to acknow-
ledge." And, further, alluding to the fact that the conser-
vative party was in a minority, said, that nothing could be
more proper than that some measure should be taken to place
them in a position to undertake the government. if called upon.
(Rear.) On the following Monday the noble earl cams
down to the house, and after stating that he bad laid it down
as • personal rule never to notice any mis-statements or mie-
represeatatione in the public press of any part of his publis
conduct, and that he then departed from that rule only from
a sense of justice not so much to himself as to others, said,
" I refer to a report in a public newspaper, which was wholly
unauthorised, and which could only have been eurriptitioualy
obtained, of a meeting said to have taken place at my house,
which certainly did take place, but not at my house, and
which, although it bears on the face of it marks of having
been furnished by some person who was present, or by some
one who heard what pawed on that emotion, is greedy ima-
mate, for it states not only what I did not ssy, but the
reverse of what I said, I do not intend to go into onydetailed
explanation on the subject, but I only wish that it may not
be supposed hereafter, if reference should be made to what
occurred on that occasion, that I did not avail myself of the
first opportunity to protest, as I now do, againet the accuracy
of that report." No doubt it was right to give that explain'.
tion. There wore inconveniences, and those inconsonance@
evidently struck the noble earl when he said it was not
his habit to notice misstatements in the public jars, and for
this reason—he knew that in giving contradiction you
invited contradiction from others. Accordingly the Pau

in the followingweek acknowledged its error as to the locality
of the meeting, and said that it was not at the house of Lord
Derby, but at the hover of the Earl of Eghnton, that the
meeting woe held, but added that the noble earl admitted
there had been tante political conversation between Mr.
Gladstone and himself. And when they heard that in some
saadl room of the Route of Comment the noble earl
did have as interview with Mr. Gladatonc and
one of his friends, the public would be of opinion
that though there might not have been a combination, a ODII.
ern, or a coalition, that there must have been tonteshing
(he would not make use of the word, but noble lords
would know what he meant), when they saw afterwards that
thia sort of conference was followed by a decided vote for the
purpose of overturning the government.°fear.)
The Earl of DERBY—Did you say that I had a rooter-
nation privately with Mr. Glatlatone and some other person
with hint in one of the moms of the House of Commtoss
Earl GRANVILLE—There was a very general rumour to
that effect, but he attached no import/moo to it.
The Earl of DERBY nude an observation denying the
truth of the statement.
Earl GRANVILLE—The noble lord taw the difficulty
consequent upon contradicting one part of a statement and
not going on to explain away the whole; and he thought he
would see the neectaity, when he made up hie mind to con-
tradict, to explain fully, and not contradict one part, and
leave it to be guessed at what might have been his conduct
as to the other points which his contradiction did not embrace.
The noble earl complained of the dissolution of parliament
bat the conservative leader of the House of Commons brit
said on the that day of the session that it was a perfectly riga!
course to adopt, and it watt only after the noble earl had
taken time to consider the matter that it was ultimately
objected to. lie (Lord Granville) was inclined to think
aaratemiembesscald am& balm the Virt had hemei'•;ba.
the govern. (-ef
?en going to thelt=i=lamild men an extra*, rf
from a memorandum of the Duke of Wellington's, on a
similar occasion. (The noble earl read the memorandum,
the substance of which was that the Queen's servants dis-
solved, becaute, on account of certain combinations in the
House of Commons, it via impossible to carry on
the Queen's service. Tho question, then, upon which
they went to the country bad no referenea to any
particular vote, but was in reality whether the minister
were to be supported, or whether the Queen was
to look for other servants. in this view there would be ne
use of political cram or nicknames at the elections; the
question was simply, for and against the government. Now,
he believed that the government had been perfectly right in
the part taken in the Chinese affair, in supporting English
merchanta, whom it was now the faithion to decry, and Chria-
Mtn mirbna, which were so much persecuted in that
country. But they went to the country on their general
policy—on the question, in churl, of whether the whin-
utilisation was or was not worthy of the national
confidence. He believed that the result of that appmli.
would he triumphant for the government, and, although it
might be diminished by coalitions, such as had recently taken
place in Tipperary, he believed there would be a majority
strong enough to carry all procreative measures. (Hear.)
The Earl of MALMESBUItY complained of the manner
in which the food solemn statement that a peer could make
had been treated by the noble earl. That noble earl who woe
the leader of their debates should not have given so churlish
an assent to hit noble friend's statement.
Earl GRANVILLE believed that the noble earl had been
perfectly sincere in his declaration.
The Earl of DERBY explained that he had intended his
disclaimer to apply not only to himself, but to all with whom
he wet pulitieally connected. lie was perfectly certain that,
on the part of hue political friend*, there had been no com-
binative with persons with whom they did not agree is

general politica:-
The Earl of NALMESBURY continued—He bad said
that the house looked to the noble earl as the leader of those
debates; but was it consistent with that position to talk of
noble lords meeting members of parliament in a tea room in
the other house, and there conspiring spied the government
(Hear, hear.) Neither did he conceive it dignified to read
four or five columns of a newspaper, after he had been told
by his (Lord Mahneabury'a) relic friend that he knew no
more about that ncv,paper than did the noble earl himself.
Was not such a lion of argument a mere waste of their lord-
ships time? (Itcor, hear.) lie trusted it would be the last
time they should hear the solemn and deliberate statement
of • peer thus met b/ shadows of doubt and guarded insinua-
tions. (Hear, hear.
I (The Earl ef HA DWICKE was willing to accept the
noble earl's joke as to his (Lord Ilaillwicke) being ono of his
Goble friend's appendages. (A laugh.) But this be would
say, that he had neveraupparted any political opinions that
were not his awn, and he had never changed his opinions.
(Hear, bear.) He gave his support to his noble friend eon-
scientiotudy and honestly. Lad moreover with that earneet-
nem and diction which he thought ought to exist between
• leader and his party. He was astonished that the noble
earl opposete, who was naturally • most courteous and amiable
man, should have risen after such a statement as had been
made by his noble friend, and thrown out insinuations that
mill there had been • coalition. He (the Earl of Hardwieke)
could only any that if any year on the opposite aide of the
house made a similarly solemn statement it should have hie
implicit belief, and he would never utter an insinuation that
could invalidate ita Muth.

-I.rraTr.NVillEagain explained that he had not
doubted the noble lord, but had merely detailed the grounds
on which the original suspicions of a coalition were founded.
The bill wee then made second time.

Tie ichlosriTigallasreriTaeveraily read a second time :
Indemnity, Copyhold and Inclosure Commissions, Extra-
parochial Places, and Ecclesiastical Joriediction—Bilk
Their lordahipa adjourned at half-pant eight o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY,II 16.
The Berates, took the chair at a quarter before 4.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The report. on the following hills were considered, and the
bills were ordered to be read a third time : Inverness and
Nairn Railway ; Metiton's and Hagrn's Sufferance Wharves;
Peebles Railway; Reversionary Interest Society; Bills.
The following bills were read a second time:--Hack of
London and National Provincial Insurance Association (No.
2) ; Liverpool Town and Dock Dues (Saint Helens Canal
and Railway Company) ; Newquey Pier and Harbour and
Railway ; Banal of the Dead within the City and Liberties
of London; Bills.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
TELEGRAPHIC COMMUNICATIONS WITH INDIA.
In anewee to Sir D. NOILAT.TS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid a com-
pany had been formed for the purpose of eatabliohing a tele-
graphic communication between this country and India, by
way of Seleucia and the Persian Gulf. It was intended to
lay down a line from Seleucia along the Mediternineath to a
glom called Jaber Castle; and from thence to • point in the
Persian Gulf. Her Majesty's government had agreed to
guarantee a certain per cottage if certain conditions were
fulfilled. Ile would lay the minutes of the proceedings on
the table of the home. (Hear, hear.)
RETRANSMISSION OF LETTERS.
Viscount ILAYNIIAII asked whether the government
would have any objection to permit pre-paid letters which
might pass through the Post-offieo with wrong addresses to
be re-transmitted within the spare of three days by the same
channel to the pernone to whom they were addressed, without
any extra charge l•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the letters referred to were to all intents and purposes posted
twice, and strictly speaking they ought to be charged for
the second trannuuseton at the unprepaid rater. Nevrelhe-
lem the pre-paid mice only were taken; and he did not
therefore think the present practice was an inequitable or an

MASTERSHIPS IN CHANCERY (IRELAND).
Mr. VANCE &eked if it was intended to OU up the vacant
MasterehipP
Viaocanat PALMERSTON end the matter wee atilt under

)(r. WHITESIDE reminded the noble lord that by the
exist* act of parliament the fifth Moaterahip, whenever it
boaune want, was not to be filled up without the consent
of the Treasury. It had, moreover, beta stated before a par-
liamentary committee last year that two o.c-chancellors
would be able to do all the work. (Hear, hear.)

GUANO.

Mr. SCOTT asked whether the papers relating to tho
cession of the Ramie Mooria IsLuids, and the correspondenee
relative to the supply of guano, with the terms which had
been concluded with Mr. Ord and others, would be laid on
the table before the dissolution? He (the hon. member)
wished also to know whether the government had received
information to the effect that the guano woo being removed
by the Arabs to the Arabian coast for certain American
merchants? . .

Lord PALMERSTON said her Majesty's government
hall no definite information on the subject. There were twit,
opinions as to the quantity of guano in the islands referred
to, some portions thinking that there was a good deal, and
others that there was eery little. (A laugh.)
Mr. W. EWART inquired whether the attention of the go-
vernment bad been called to the understanding which ex-
isted at: a former change in the customs duties, that on the
flret appropriate opportunity the duty on currant. should be
reduced to the same amount as the duty in raising
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
attention hod lately been called to the subject. When the
duty ou raisins was reduced from Lis. to 10s. per cwt., it was
proposed that the duty on currants should undergo a aimilar
alteration, but the failure of the crop had prevented the
change from being made. He thought the matter was a fair
subject of consideration, but the Customs Bill now before the
home would not afford a suitable occasion of dealing with it.