The Express.
London, England, 1861-07-27 00:00:00

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day was only given at two o'clock that morning ; and he
would ask the noble lord whether such a vote ought to be
asked for under such circumstances in such a thin house ?

Lord H. VANE agreed in opinion with the right hon.
gentleman, that it was quite impossible to anticipate the
proposition of the noble lord, sod therefore he thought it
would be expedient to postpone the vote until the evening.
Sir M. PETO did not nee to offer any opposition to the
postponement of the vote, nor to the proposition of
the noble lord, but to express an opinion of surprise
that this vote should have been left to this
late period of the session before it was discussed.
He thought the Prime Minister should have au interview
with the Emperor of France, and that they should come to
some clear understanding as to what was to be the relative
strength of tharespective navies. He believed that no diffi-
culty would arise in such a negotiation. He entirely denied
that the French government had done anything which
might to excite feelings of jealousy against them.
air J. GRAHAM would also entreat the noble lord not
to yam oa this vote this morning.
Lord C. PAGET said if it were the wish of the committee
be would apes to withdraw the proposition for the present.
After some remarks from Sir H. Willoughby, Mr. Lind-
say, and Sir J. Pakingtos,
Mr. BRUCE uked whether in the sum of 2.400,030/.
was included the oast d completing the five vessels, as well
as the construction of the six proposed to be built.
Lord C. PAGET rid the cost of the five vessels was
Wag defrayed oat of the current evanditure granted by
the house, and the sum of about 2,400,0001. would be the
cost of the six new ships ; and, in answer to Sir John
Pakington, the noble lord stated that the ships would be 90
guns each, with a tonnage of about 5,000.
Ultimately the vote was postponed till the evening.

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could assist in providing that labour wee by allowing them
should
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put a stop to. He should say that two years ago,
the French government, on the urgent reprerrente-
ties of the English government, did put • stop to
the emigration of those free labourers from the
west coast of Africa ; but it still continued
on the east coast. But there was • great objection to our
allowing the French to go to our territories in India for the
purpose of obtaining coolies. No doubt it wee liable to the
objection that improper means might be resorted to for kid-
napping, and therefore it was eseassary to astable strict
regulations by which they might mum themselves that the
oodles went of their own free will, that they were well
treated during their wasp, and not overcrowded in the
transports, and that they were als s well treated upon their
arrival at Reunion, or whatever other island they went to.
These arrangements were matte= of very loogand difficult
negotiation, but eventually a treaty was aped by which,
under cartes regulations, the French colonise wereentitled
to take coolies from India to the French colonies. But it
was stated that we gave everything and took nothing. That
was not exactly the me. It was quite true that we per-
mitted the exportation of coolies from India, while on the
other hand the Frisch government did not engage to stop
the Regis contract till the year 1662, up to which period
they were actually bound by engagements to permit it to
continue, and it might be urged that they might have said
to the French government, "W swill not permityou to export
coolies es keg as you go oo with this traffic." He thought,
however, that her Majesty's government decided rightly,
because If they get cached they would not want SO many
negroes. U. was set aware whether the treaty had been
ratified, bat einem as it was ratified it would be laid on the
table of the hones. There was no doubt that this aims of
slave beds did exist is • great extent. but setting aside
the Regis centred, ended y for the supply of Cuba. It was
L the demand for slant in Cuba which prevented the slave
trade being put an eel to. They had remonstrated with
the Spanish goverment, aid pointed out that CiliZlS-
mend who went to Cabs poor came back rich through
their connivance in this traffic. The Spanish government
had repeatedly dielared its intention to fulfil the obligations
of the treaty, but at Cuba another sort of conduct was re-
sorted to. The cooed sent word to the captain-general that
• cargo had landed at such • place. The oaptaimgeneral
replied that he would make inquiry, aid after • certain
time het replied that be bad made inquiry, and that he
was usable to find say proofs that the slaves were landed.
And so in the way Cabs was played off
against Madrid, and Madrid spat Cabe, which
woe • disgreastid state of Way. He was told
that at last they felt this, and had seat an additional
number of ships to Cola for the of exercising ad-
ditithal eighths*. It was true that this slave trade was
sot carried on is fithudsh ship, but in ships of other
countries, and apseishy ships alder the American flag, and
some little under the Portuguese, and latterly a little under
the Spanish tag, but not tea greed extent. They bad remon-
strated to the Amer as governrosotagainst this prostitution
of their flag. Oa one mud= be mentioned that a piece of
bunting ought not to be • pampon of nationality, and the
American mint took offence at that and said be had
been ' ling their be. But it was sot that expression
which really offended them so mach as the reproach that
they allowed their Egg to he prostituted. They tried to
persuade the American goveromert to assist in patting
down the trade by agreeing to the right of search, but un-
anccerfully. They then tried vetoes other means, and
lastly they proposed to Mr. Bochum that an English Hid
an Amerada vessel should cruise together, so that the
American vessel should seize any slave mai sailing wider
the A 111360131 flag. sled • ship without any ppm might be
taken by the English ship. That proposal esemed to be
too well calculated to socomplish its purpose, and mord-
ingly it was reclined. His hon. friend the member for
Galway said that now the North and South were at variance
this was the time for us to get the methane of the North
against the South. Well, it was quite true that up to the
disruptba of the union, up to the time of the civil contest
is America, the influence of the South prevailed at
Washington, which prevented the government from
accepting any of the offers that her Majesty's government
anode for the purpose of enlisting the support of
the United States government in execution of their
treaty eagagements, because there was a treaty
engagement by which they were bound to co-
operate with us. For • long time they sent one
or two small vessels to the coast of Africa, and latterly
they had increased their squadron, but he had often ob-
served that when the American captain was a Southern no
effectual assistance was rendered ; but where the squadron
was commanded by sea 'n from the North, there was the
most effective end zealous co-operation. That would lead
no doubt to the hope that if the turn of events gave the
North • sovereign existence, porisibly the spirit of the
North might prevail over the influence of the South.
And althoagh the cruisers were mostly fitted out
at New York and Boston, and probably with
Northern .eery, yet it was the spirit of the South that
animated those expeditions. Then with • view to the sup-
pression of this mime, they had urged on the government of
Portugal to use its authority on the mare coast of Africa.
But the eastern coast, which was in the possession of Portu-
gal, was of enormous lesph, and the local authorities were
far removed from the supreme government at Lisbon ; they
had every opportunity to take bribes, and it was difficult for
the goverment at Lisbon to know what was going 00.
He was muted that the government at Lisbon
had taken and would take every means in their power
to stop the traffic. And whatever might be said of Spain,
he had DO doubt of the sincerity of the Portuguese govern-
ment, and he did not despair of seeing that government
adopt measures for the prospective emancipation of the
dans is her colonies. The fact wee that Portugal had no
interest in slavery, but quite the reverse. Her poismions
is Africa wanted all the labour that the population could
supply. Bat with regard to Spain it was quite
different. In their view every slave imported was an addition
to the wealth of the country. His hon. friend on the other
side wanted them to revert to the differential duty on
alavogrown sugar. That had been much discussed. If
they would not admit slave-grown sopa, they must on the
same steeple exclude slave-grown cotton and tolerate.
With regard to having a consul at Mozambique, be be-
lieved that be would have very little influence on the slave
trade. Moreover, Mozambique we. a very unhealthy sta-
tion, and there might be some difficulty io getting
a consul then who would be well fitted to the
post. At the mate time it was a fair subject for considera-
tion. Cuba wee sow the only place where slaves were im-
ported. He did not believe that there wits any importation
to the Southern States of America, and he still hoped
that they might be able gradually to check and ultimately
to put an end to this abominable trate. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LINDSAY called attention to the report of the
merchant shipping committee of 1859-60, and moved • series
of resolutions the effect of which was that it was to be re-
gretted that the government had not this semen intro-
duced • measure founded on its recommendations, that
the iutorest ought to be relieved of all peculiar burdens
and restrictions ; that measures should be taken to induce
foreign governments to reciprocate the immunities this
country has granted to foreign vessels, and that in the n-
om the government should press on non-reciprocating na-
tions the anumlous and unsatisfactory state of our rela-
tions with them ; and also prepare bills in conformity with
the ithominendations et the merobaat shipping committee.
Mr. H. GIBSON said that it warn the biathlon of the
government to take the subject into considauatiou during
the recess.
FRENCH TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCH.

Mr. GRIFFITH called the attention of the house to the
tone and tenor of certain telegraphic despatches which had
just been addressed to the Italian government by the Em-
peror of the French. It seemed that, according to a French
newapther, two pediments were executed in Italy for carrying
bread in their pouches on the supposition that they were
conveying provision to the brigands. A public refutation
had since been given of the fact, and yet the Emperor of
the French, without inquiring into the truth of the first
statement, fired off a despatch of rebuke to the Italian
government.
Mr. IMINESSY thought that it might perhaps be said
on the part of the Emperor of the French that he knew
what wu now going on in South Italy, namely, that the
people were in arms and fighting for their legitimate sove-
reign.
SUPPLY._

The bones went into committee of supply.
The debate on the vote for the expense of building iron
ship., brought forward at the morning sitting, was rammed.
Admiral IVALCOIT supported the vote
Captain JERVIS thought that an earnest support ought
to be gives to the government in order that they might have
next year, or the year after, as good • fleet of iron weasels
afloat as nuncio. No man had studied the science of ar-
tillery more deeply than the Emperor of the French, and as
soon as he bad convinced himself that wooden ships could
not resist the improved artillery of the • present day, he
ordered iron vessel, to be built. We had been slow in
following his example, but once having begun to
do so, our great resources and advantages would
soon enable as to construct • Beet of equal
strength to that of Francs. He thought the Ad-
miralty bad exercised • wise discretion in asking only
for a small additional sum this year, as it would be some
months yet before the experiments at Shoeboryness were
brought to a conclusion. He would, however. suggest that
when the Warrior was completed experiments with artil-
lery should be made on her, instead of upon mere iron
plates. (Laughter.) He certainly thought that an experi-
ment of that kind might well be made before they proceeded
to build any more ',meets of the same class.
Yr. LINDSAY said that this vast expenditure would
create greater dangers from within than those from without,
which the government were anxious to guard the country
against. The people might bear heavy taxation in pros-
perous times like the present, but if the war went on in
America vast masses might be thrown out of employment,
and the case would be different. The people would then
petition the house, and he hoped they would do no more.
The committee had already voted twelve millions for the