The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

IMPEitI Al 4 PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS—MONDAY, MAT 13.
The hems met at 3 o'clock. Lord L•NODALI Mt Breker.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Torso LAW (Sont.aso).—By the Dalton BUCCLEUCH
flea apnea is Scotland peeing for so alteration ia th• law
for the relief of the peer.
Coax Twins (Scorwro).— By the Earl of EGLINTON
Sem Nairn aad by Lord BROUGHAM flout
Dalkeill. Imerninetinnthtieg, Stirlirg, the Royal Buroliboincerscoa-
isentiou amotabled, and ether places, ia anon toe
Tilde Obernctione Removal Bill
EDUCATION. B Lord BROUGHAM, from ChM
Chants, Middlesex, is favour of secular eduction._
CortiOLD Tatsvas.-111 the came antite!esee
lord from Bamford, Woreester, Halstead, Staines. i.e,ma
Bt. Pwr, and St. Muy, Islington, praying for the s
Doe of NNUhold Leanne.
SLOTS TaAnn.—Abo tramßelhets Peerieg foe
.I°7 all•
CoCostmar for the sappeemion tha Nara Mal _ _
mm Corars.--Abo from Fahaonth in WON, 0( the HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, MAT 13.
egtonsies of the prineiplo of sosaty mum.
MASTIMS' arstontos (Co rel or CHAIM'S!) BILL.-- The Bruins took the chair at 4 o'clock.
Abe from Liverpool, Bristol, York, Maidstone, and other PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
plates is (aver of this bill. Tall LOID LintrIINANcY InaLAND. -- Mr. P.
THE UNIVERSITIES. SOMERS. from Sligo, against the proposed abolition of the
Lord BROUGHAM presented a Petition from the Loa- Lord Lieutenancy of Ireland.
Ica Usiversity Colton, preling for better moommoda GnAzILIAN Siaen Tenn.—By Mrs MILNER GlB-
fioa sssiatan'-eurriest in the navy. The" rettleneh SON from the Clamber of Comment of Manchester, pray-
were • mast merits/was edam of oilmen, and he hoped their ing for the repeal of the act ander which this country
claim would receive the attention of the men. He saws • jurisdiction over el...hints of the Bruin.
wit glad to have that opportunity of renrtug toe Minim' M IIItOPOLITAN INTNININT BILL —By Col. THORP-
tion which took plate a few nehts sines with the noble mar- 50N (several), fee, room end now plasm in miodieese
(Luis opposite, and a noble lord (Ilosteagle) not then presents Mr. C. PEARSON, from Lambeth; Mr. MACKINNON,
on the 'abject of the proven ommiesice to (squire into the horn skoremsch and other Smith, I. homer of this bill.
Nate of the universities of Of/ford and Cambridge. He bad SLAYNOILOWN Scoen.—By Lord J. cutclissrEft,
sues then received many conionnications, by which it ap- hoes a plies, name sot hews, egaisst the admission in save.
peered that the observations of the noble lord on that aims it„tro mem
aloe Were oat "met,namely,that very Peat Jailer"' Yoe Pon Orrice —By Mr. ELLIOTT, from Roxburgh ;
limit had reeelitlY taken plate in the course of study sad Mr. BRIGHT, from Llanfyllian, Wan; Mr. 'cumin
discipline, both at Cambridge sad Oxford. He believed he from Detbysbire ; Mr. EWART, from plane in Scotland ;
might say that his noble friend (the Duke of Wellington)i Mr. T. HILDYARD, from a plea in Dortotshire ; Sir W.
the Chancellor of Oxford, and his noble and learned bias CLAY, (rota the Tower Umtata ; Mr. C. PEARSON,
(Lord Lyndhurst), the High Steward of Cambridge, both (several) from Lambeth; Mr. P. SCROPE, from Stroud ;
concurred with him in deprteating any reek and inconsids- ‘Cap. PECHELL, from Brighton ; Sit E. BUXTON, from
rate interference with the Uoinnities. He hoped that no West Ham, against Sunday labour is the Post office.
Germanic proceedints and no Germanic discipline would be
FAcrOalte BILL.—By Mr. ELLIOT (severall. from
introduced into out ancient and
- /Ulm" flourishing nit'. plans is Scotland, against List Ashley's Bill. By Mr.
entities from foreign institutions of a similar. ebartieter. HODGSON, from Sunderlaod ; Mr. BRIGHT, from Tod.
(Hear, hear.) In hie own judgment he had • loasiog to- stones in favour of an eleven inns bill. By Sir J.
vends the existing rystna, improving as it every day was, WALMSLEY, from • public meeting at Bolton ; Mr. F.
sad capable, as it unMobtedly was, of further imerovemest. O'CONNOR, from Holten; the Earl of MARCH, from
Be hoped that system would not be rashly exchanged for idsseineise aid Baked, is favour e tea hours him.
say foreign system whatever. (Hear. Mar.) MALT•TAI.—By Sir J. WALMSLEY. frost the inhabi.
Tee Doke of WELLINGTON—The *obis and Isernod tants of the parish of Yothaes, is the county of Norfolk, in
lord liana, referred to me on this subjett, I must say that favour of the repeal of this tut.
the Usivenity with which lam mantel is anximily NATIONAL Don ***** gTl.—By Mr. MUNTZ, from
desirous to introduce every improvement that may he MC- Tiatoo ; Mr. M. GIBBON (6), filmmeechister ; Mr.
Mable with respect to education. (Hsu, her) Now the r
BRIGHT, (4), from Manchester; Crewe (4); Bury, Lan-
body to which I have the bon en to belong, the Chancellor, cubits (2); Coin.; Todmorden ; Lesson Hall, Cumber.
miesters, sad scholars of the University of Oxford, and the land; Sentient ; Aslttan-seder-Lyne ; Ruby, in favour
Ileee"iat kith" of the several "Net* are bound "Vett, of negotiating with foreign powers for the dismemberment
mad 'tannin, and carry into execution the statutes of those of widow ermerseut•
several tonnes. I trope, therefore, that the. bodies will o
roTAMP DVTlge.—By Mr. LOCKHART, nom the coen-
let be required te eater epee an inquiry directed sPeejallite Mainers of supply of the county of Lanark, unseimously
the object of the repeal of those sta toes which I say the a w wood to ni the sauna swiss of the county, against any
of the land will require them to carry into execution, in n- wens. to the stamp duties.
9E2 to rights of the individuals who claim privileges under Cavaco Riau—By Mr. BRIGHT, from Lvtchett
the provicons of then several statutes. Mints, (Dorset) and Merthyr Trivia; Col. K.TYN lE, from
AFFAIRS OF GREECE. Bridgewater; against church felts.
Lord STANLEY—&m. we last met hare, intelligence has Pcxtauu, yor DRATIL—Ity Mr. BRIGHT, from St.
bees retains' of an important character which iodates me Day, Cornwall; Col. K. IYNTE, from Bridgewater; for
to tell the attendee of the noble marquis (boodoerse) to the abolition of the punishment of death.
the subject of the affairs of Griece. Siam the house met Wixpow TAI.—By Col. K. TYN IE, from Bridgewater,
last we have learnt by the ordinary channels of for the repeal of this tax.
information, that the good offices teadured by the Ansfraavios ClAreas Tamvios.—lly Mr.BRIGHT,
Frenzli government and accepted by this government in from Manchester(4) ; Crews (4); Bury, Lineable. (2) ;
respect to the affairs of Greece have not led to Cole., Todmorden, Lesson Hall (Cumberland), Na it.
any satisfactory termination. In consequence of the with- wise, Ashton-under Lyne, Rugby ;in favoarot these clauses
dreeral of the Emelt minister from the negotiation, coercive in treaties with foreign powers.
measures of no ordinary violence have been had recourse to ; THE YEOMANRY FORCE.
verniai'menuniert • Clelejleariet jbeeereeleeeehmerette the Greek I w
the t Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that, on an rely dry
which oe,t- • dictatedh her after Whitattatide, he should move a resolution, that is
out prepared-. —to e7Jorre—er''l—orseo—;ert 'X expedient that the yeomanry force of Great Britain and
which liaised should be disarmed and abolished. (A laugh.)
meat will MI it to be their duty forthwith to lay be-
METROPOLITAN INTERMENTS BILL.
Crionarliament official information with regard to all the
Mr. LUSHINGTON gave notice that, in committee on
eireanotances of these transactions ; and with respect to the
this bill, he should move that, with regard to incumbents
sircametaare whisk Inn reedited the friendly Mervin-
anti am
eere of
parishes,
oss tios the Limited to pesos.
lir of France, to say the least of it, altogether abortive,
and led to the
be of coercive mummer. But whether who had beld office for • certain samba" of years antecedent
of tie cot.
that information be laid ea the table or an, I wish to take hi th• Fealial
the earliest opponnaity of giving astir that at an early ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.—THE Blstior•
rrafter the Whitatatide reera, I shall feel it my duty RIC OF EXETER.
aill the attention of yeoswrr lordships to the whole of the Sir B. HALL gars snits that, on Friday next, he would
eirmastances if this antatan to tranmetios. (Hear.) put tartan gentian to the First Lord of the Tr...try, in
The Marquis of LANSDO% NE—I have only to say that reference to the proceedings of the ecclesiastical commission.
all the information missected with Ones traesactions will It sworn( by the second report of the ecolcoisatied coin
now forthwith be eabmitted to the jedgment or parliameat. nrannn, g. Ils that, on the 6th of Argitoi 1845i and the
At the ems time, se the noble lord Ms adverted to On rep. 26th of May, 1846, sums amounting to 3,0001. were paid
tan, astormsate is one respect, which has taken place in " for altering and improving house at Exam." be would ask
the tome of the negotiations, though finally leading to a whether any rem has been advanced for • similar purpose ;
Mast satisfactory and successful result, I wish to take the if to, the date when advanced, and the amount; whether I
mina opportunity of saying that that rupture having on- say account has bees rendered to the ecclesiastical cos-
Mtanatilly taken place in the negotiations, owing to the miasioners of the manner in which those sums have been
Freon negotiator having broken off on • simple point, in expended ; and if so, the date of such account; and whether
lontequence of the notemeeption of instructions which, if the Bishop of Exeter has raided at the Pales of Blotto
they had wind two or three days before, would have pre. sine* the time the meaty was Menaced
mated the rapture. a threat of buttilities was the result, I. To ask Lord Join Hamel whether, when the ecileslatrlcomo
the
e.arcrlibiotor bishops.
and the Greek gliVenlgent having desired to know the ternee'irelloatereereed the Incense. e:e
Mom on which her Modesty's government Were willing te iiislllll, filleA, Tenn. and altailed l other 1.411A.M., On the purport if showing the
MOWS m*isfactioo, and to resume elation of (+indiums mow Wow, and whether, caner to oho,' Me set lass.., the
sad ram they were directly informed by Mr. Wyse what arnsitbows sod bioh7 pr. Is under different beads the several
these terms were. And the noble lord, and every item. esPenditure • sod. if not, open whet dam the mcirelawleel
ether noble lord ia this hone, will her. I am "14"cl:sock
ittedttr pum
tthh:tauehalmaratee.b.paid late the epi'espel
funduld bet paid the
I, with unmixed satis(acti to, that her Ma. fund tneffile poorer woe" ;e'and whether the corninhanoners will make •
=seleMinister. acting under his instructions, thought return of the da.a upon which ouch • Tension cam
hurled
the moment was arrived to Enke it manifest to 2. whether the coclenagical commisoirmero had, or have Min, is-
Grimes sad to the world that the object of those hostilities wind fall and particular accounts of the property belonging to the
ea to amen • principle. and not to bear harshly on the re- weveral lees, the mode in which such property i.lemed, the date af
series of Green, and Mr. Wyse acted in • spirit of modem ,the the theletdre" re
poetics ceived the
ham
dos which is hiebly approved by her Majesty's government, —Lad sod main
case hamZsen
by rola:log*4i demands made by this country, when for rt. As 1t appears by the return of Moon made la till that the
the firr. time • disposition was evinced by the Gook govern- an Moine tithe Sinop of Leedom smi minced from 14,310. 94.4 d.
Meat fairly to meet those demands. He so far relaxed them in 1837 to 12,48 If. Ss. in 1543, notwithstanding the Paddington estate
la amount, that the terms required by him and acceded to meals upon daring that Interval; and tb- Molloy of Exeter's set
by the government of Greece were in substance not mate- troe_ fro: 2.13,1 0,. td. in 1837 to 3111 lia. 3d. in ;to
Liam and to what /Wends they are at.
rially different from than which the government of Fresco, theetteere
sortiatiog for this Country had thought to be naitable. 1 4, When the oeciesisatind commhelosers purpose maw am
will only add, that it would have been matter of gems snit- mart of their mompedings—ao report having been made for Innis
faction to me if this accommodation had been brought about Years 1
by the assistance and coacurrence of the French genre- CORN AVERAGES.
art ; because throughout this tramiction that instilment The Earl of MARCH iaquired whether government wee
bra evinced a tam friendly desire to bring about that scene- prepared to being I. any bill for improving the mode of
medians. (Hear, hear.) It has only leen in consequence taking the averaltw of the Prim of corn with • Tien to arrive
N the accident of wind and wave that • delay et at more correct results.
three or four days was interposed, which prevented Mr. LABOUCH ERE replied that the noble lord having
the reinitiated** from being brought about by the mason. called his attention to the subjeLt daring the last smite of
'Mentality of that government. I should have been parliament, be had directed • circular to be seat round to the
glad 11 it had been so brought shout, but not having been different inspectors in order to ascertain whether it was pos-
M, it is satisfactory that it has Mtn brought about on terms 'ibis to obtain more correct returns of the average* than
which that government must approve of. inasmuch as the those at present furnished. He admitted that the system on
forms agreed upon are marry the tam (although somewhat which the returns were now made up was I rose and intern-
&fewest la form) as these which that government had rat.—(hear, hear)—but it was not equally dear that the
I . Maverages returnedeer, hear.) returned were vitiated to any extent in consignee..
nitird d
STANLEY said when the papers had bees pre. The result of the inquiries he had made was,
seated to their lordships they would better be able to judge that except by a mot expensive machinery tad
W the transactions, of which the noble marquis mend so a vexatious interference as against the farmers he feared
highly to approve. He could only say It was unfortunate it would be impossible greatly to improve the present sys-
that is this me there should have been a repetition of aimi- ten. (Hear, hear.) But if the noble lord or hon. gantle-
ts/ delay to that which occurred at an earlier period of the moo eonnscted with the agricultural interest could suggest a
traasections--(hear, hear)—and he could not help °lmre- plea by which, without Incurring any great additional ex-
tag that the noble =Nuts seemed to have • strange idea of Peso, or interfering vexatiously with the farmer, more
the meaner is which the Greek government had carried on accurate returns could be obtained, he should be happy
the free nerds. of their discretion, when the fact was that to give it his hest consideration.
they had submitted to the term/ dictated rider a threat of MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.
bombardment by the most powerful naval state in the la reply to a question front Mr. Dot:isms,
es led. ("Hear, hear," and • lamb.) Mr. LABOIXEDIRE stated that he would take the
The Marquis et LANSDOWNE—The threat of bombard. second reading of this bill on Thursday, 6th of Jens.
Meat le gain se ameaptioca of the noble lord's. (Hear.) MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
PROCESS AND PRACTICE (IRELAND) BILL. la rigly to • tneetion from Mr. CLIMMITe,
of Oa tle motion the Earl of Cantina, this bill patted Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he should postpone ' going
por sommit, sad was reted to the hone.
faro
in
RENEWALntes OF DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH pridar " the
Irish
Madieal
Charities
Bill
until
SPAIN. IRISH FISHERIES BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE wee quite sure their Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that on Thursday next he
lordellin• would be glad to km that he sir *bout to Ise on would move for leave to bring Ina new bill to mutate the
the table certain papere cosaisted with the resumption of Irish fisheries.
diplomatic relations with Spain, PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENT BILL.
ROMAN CATHOLIC CLERGY IN IRELAND. In reply to Loos GALWAY,
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH, punnet to notice, Mr. . LEWIS said he would postpone the second rud-
presentad • petition of use inhabitants of the ecclesiastical lag of the Parochial Ameesment Bill, which stood for that
union of Thomastowo, in Ireland. praying for • provision inning, until the end of the month.
for the amen catholic clergy. The petitioners stated that HER MAJESTY'S BIRTHDAY.
the protestant parish church was only att tend by sixty
Mr. FREWEN said the noble lord, tbe First Lord of the
peruses, whilst there were then Roman catholic churches
which were not able to contain the people. They Treasury, had given notice for ti-morrowto move the
adjournment of the house at its rising until Thursday. /Is
went on to say that they understood parlia- ur
meat bail two millions of moneyany very urgent rearm
et their dire wished to know whether there was
why the adjournment, which would deprive independent
Pinni for
the
PerPee° of extending church
accommodation, members of the only day they had for intrados:nig their mos
but sot • farthing of it had been gives for the of
ROOM catholic place, of worship. The petitioners implored lions, should take place ?
their lordship, te swam to „y. measure for Lord J. RUSSELL said there had been an order hosed
the Bow witholw church which
might
also
ammo (lit
with theQtren's birthday was to be celebrated on Weans-
the state ; sad they also prayed that the raven of the my, and it would be without precedent if the hoes. Mtn to
protestant church is Indeed might he applied to pnrpoase
more extended usefulness, and particularly to the onff sit
uTPZIt"DtEdaFriILUL(.T.RE.stR cNanTdHebEet"lltillfili CHIRP
church accommodation for the Amen catholic* of Ireland. SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
Now be thought that if there was asurplus, itsbould bogiven Mr. B. OSBORNE wished toilet the following gardens
to the church of England is thiscountry, inkstands/edits to the right hon. gentleman the Secretary for Irshoid—what
united church to be as one—(hear)--end he would advise mese the Irish government had pursued with referents to
the petitioners and the Roma catholic. of Ireland generally the clerk in the chief secretary's of to who hed run away )
to asking assistance free' the state to abstain from seek (loud laughter)—whether they had advertised him I—wite-
mention as that which proposed to take from the fends of ther they had advertised him in the Ilre and Oyf—(gren
the Proustian church for the HIPPO?, of the limas catholic.. la.ghter)—..d whether they bad made any inquiry into the
(Hear, hear.) Sore be was that there misted is this 0011111i/7, Inn Of his accounts?
although sot often called forth, • ststrreessggeh of protestaat feel- Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he had answered the quot-
ing which would at all times be aroused arousedthfec the protection of tin on • previous occasion, that a commission had been
Ob. rights of the church—Men, tiro—end the oneemon Issued to Woke Into the maiming clerk's aids, and into the
sever would occur when the protestant. of this country when of his messy treasectlans. He could no' say whether
iresid be prepared to great say boon whatever to the he had been udeerlind is the Has old Org.
lb.....catholicchurch, the granting of which mould whet Mr. OSBORNE.-11e hae oot. (Great Incline)
se on, or give aktieete, emu, (Her, mac) Mr °MILBURN asked whether the missing clerk is
Lord- REDESSALE regretted that the sebjeet had boss this cue, Mathews, was the same ladivideal who lad given
mooted by the gable earl, as it was one which was calculated evidence beton • committee am to the willingness of the
to treat. great excitement, without the prospect of my good Proehltied•ne to oentintet nuovisge with • demised wife's
malt. lister. (Ceetinned Metter.)
MASTERS JURISDICTION IN CHANCERY BILL. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES BILL
Ler BROUGHAM stated that tubed prorated pithier , Upon the ceder of the day being read for the third ma-
ims the esiblesee I. Irides, York, and other importer tutor this bill,
=rpm* of this bill, which he would certainly bring Kr. GLADSTONE oared, ran amenilsent,
seals on the dry fortnight. That lide home, admen to the nomerouo provioiona of the Ass.
ADVANCES TO DISTRZIMIED UNIONS (IRELAND) theteelleusemegentlminnisetanninialninme then"futarennicregelationn reen"arittiebe aillsoinnwhinnster Mist
BILL. *err^ ell deems le tram se ear as gnat*
eatcop
The Monne of LANSDOWNE, to moving the second seek Wrataleare and te Pim the political inoitoilver er the oat
roadie( of this hill, amid that, although not anticipating eslheesthe tads meet likely te is for.Meneto, Melva he
say opposaissi. still it wee only respectful to their lordships ..._hirtherimeMomto thin thelormau hase alliribe
gem shour,i stale to them the grenade on which it had rre=m7—... meetmene "sidemettaeltommesd"rameg=
hews brought !onward. It wee known that, ander mono a s teeth the areead varying tam ahem Adds Ism
the prerare of aft amiss which lootteeeied been errair to the rtheltiLliter.
UM, government Zed bees Seder the risolloity of go said he was reyeelleible that it pas apparently Ea ih•

adopting various retteata..
&ate estamity. Pert of
free mat, bat another
sad to be repaid.
mach lobe JD mr
became asessiary to
outudidate them bite ea.
repayment es to prerest
sakes. la Wilhite r
mitred debts kw the
'Meld be disehareed.
bill to adreaee 300,0001. _
is the disclierge of their liabititios, end te comma. ou tee
previous relief ..wares, width was ire or el: la number.
It was prctteed oho to pre the geworansat pewee to rowed
the date a mod tor replayed to 40 years, whenever they
saw cireurestaudes is a partlealer sass calculated to make
ouch ea 'Melissa asessaary. These were tall eldest' of
the bill.
Mier some aoavereatlas, the bill was read a woad time.
Their Inhibit* rem at 7 o'clock.

ystsrd rem

Bat bestsusi
smfas in re-
rode speed ;"
- now Weide.
'mold Meehan*
enjoyment elt
ntions Wen

arm the pramanS simmtilm
They were without resent assmoiStr dangenatillift
might mum hem oruituls. HerWitham bad
not boss many 'maths is Milos in n11
11%911 they shad he
power M give a ossathstios M Now isemad, and in a few
mai shoemaker* malltslign sus et* wq mum the
sem. What solvamisatly took plass samba ample ilhistra-
, ties that if them had bus may ono is that Muss Is Mims
the demand made for immediate logbkdas, that pmem
would have bun acknowledged to be the " pod 'miss'
of the soimial department. For, what bappsasil
The senolftutios arrived in New Z colas& and the sae me
brought hack a demand from the warm . that the stave
law should be suspended, and so urgent was that demand
that her Majesty's 'crummiest oiled upon Um limps at mos
to do entirely that which had bus does before. (Hoar.)
It was impossible to masts the Important., of passing laws
foe the Australian coloaiss. Proem legislation would in all
probability .:emus. a vast ialsesso for good or sell es those
colonies. It we., thorohre, the duty of the hoes. to so. that
the provisions of this measure were well aossidortd, to take
ears that the eaustitation they setabilehed was in conformity
with the MINN'S mil wishes of the aolesiols, sad that it was a
oonstilstim is all mope* the UM whisk the fooling. of
Me poopis of the colonies wadi i.duo them to maim. Hs
did sot dusty thatia Van Diamsa's Land then Imam 'axiom
feeling hr representative institution% sad that in that missy
the mama giselpesement of a ansommo that WOO pant
thous isstitations amid lead of to dimppoinimast. Bat
at the error time he thought that therm* if Vas Dismiss
Land would demo to have sack repsemmeative imeitatisme as
had received the deliberative olanidualism of porihmult,
and not such institutions as would merely glNllisma sant-
nal freedom. But hon. members must net coulee their
views to Van Diemen's Land. They mast be governed by
the consideration—Dot what was beat der Van Diemen's
Land, bat what was beet fer the vast mass od our fellow.
subjects in that part of the world. (Hear.) He admitted
that the people of South Australia had enraged their
thanks to the goverssaantfor having introduced the bill ; and
he thanked the government gee their desire to give represen-
tative insti'atioas to the adenisa. But let the house recollect
that thou who had their eatislhation at the prospect
..(getting re imitations were persons not in the
enjoyment o Mom kamitesisse at pleSeSt, and therefore it
was natural they ghouls" regard with same satisfaction any
measure which aimed at their personal enfranchisement.
Bat did they approve of this mauve as it stood ? They
did not. The dormer of South AWISIaI objected to the
reservation of the veto in Ms colonial domrtment ; be also
objected to the coutitudon of the general assembly, and to
the oomatitutien of a legislature °manillas; of a single chamber.•
The inhabitants of the town of Adelaide Maligned to the
constitution of the usual assembly, and to any control
being retained by the mother country over the salaries they
were to pay their public odium and over the Inoue changes
inthe electoral franchise. From Van DISIBOU'II Land no
approval of the bill had been received; on the contrary, the
governor had objected to legislation is regard to the general
assembly, and also to the single legial• sties assembly. In
New South Wales, both the governor and the legislature
objected to the single chamber. In every part, then, where
the opinions of the people had been declared, they were at
variance with the general provisions of this bill. Nay, more,
New South Wales bad forwarded numerous petitions to
parliament, none of the prayers of which had been conceded
by this set. They had asked for forms of government simi-
lar to those of the mother country, and they had prayed
that their franchise naght be dealt with by direct
legislation, but their prayers had not been complied
with. (Hear, hear.) The objections he entertained
to the passing of the present bill were founded
on these four points—be objeded to the provisi• ns this bill
contained, which required constant interfererce by the
authorities at home in the local affairs of the colony. He
objected to the proviteons which enacted that there might
be on the requisition of two of the firs colonies a gen- rat
assembly appointed to exercise certain legislative functions,
and to override the action of the separate provinces. lie
objected to the bequeathing of a constitution to Australia
which entrusted the gnat bulk of legislation to a single
chamber, sad especially a single chamber compose.' as this was
intended to be. And, lastly, he objected to the government
refusing to deal with the electoral franchise in New South
Wales. (Hear, hear.) The bill provided that no law
should pass in the colony, whatever were its nature or cha-
racter, without bring subject to review, and, of course, dia.
allowance at home. With respect to the veto in matters ed
colonial legislation, he might almost say that he had, until
lately, bees deluded. He had, until recently, been of
*aim that that veto was of use. He now thought that it
entailed on the home government the whole of the responsi-
'Adige with regard to the police and the extravagant expen-
diture of the colonies, and that we should never be able
to diminish that expenditure until we acted up=
more rational principles with reference to the real freedom of
the colonies. The veto had not the advantage of giving
uniformity to the system of law throughout the colonies; on
the ee.trary, it made the law for a considerable period
anurtain. Besides, interference with colonial legislation
was is many ewes productive of the most vexatious results.
He objected also to the clause which provided for
the foundation of a General Assembly, believing it to be op-
posed to the wish generally of the colonists themselves. It
was a bold declaration to make, but he did nut believe that
the government had received from any one single body. of
persons, or through sny one single organ of public opium
an approval of the summit of a general assembly. lie be-
lieved, on the contrary, that the opinion of the
authorities in our Australian colonies, as well as
of the people themselves, was altogether opposed to it.
It was proposed to form a union of five colonies
only two of whieb touched at all, and these only slightly,
vix., one end of Port Phillip with one end of New South
Wales. New South Wales was separated by a long inter-
val from South Australia ; while all were separated from
Western Australia by a desert, and from Van Diemen's land
by sea. There was, therefore, no such union physically or
geographically, nor no such community of interests and
feelings as would make it desirable that they
should ' •

have a general usetahly. if those colonies
chose to give it to themselves, by all moans let
them have it—(. hear " from Mr. Hawes)—but he
maintained that they did not wish it. Another reason why
be could not assent to the Australian Colonies Government
Bill as it stood, was the vicious constitution of the legisla-
tive body which it conferred upon these colonise. He
thought that all that had passed respecting a single aad
double chamber must show that not only was reason but the
general feeling of the house in favour of the double chamber.
The next point adverted to by the right hon. gentleman
' we. that of the waste lands, in reference to which he reite-
rated the opinions he expressed a few evenings since. He said
he was convinced that the Australians would not be content
with any such system as that proposed for the management
of the waste lands, and that we should not hear the end of
it until some fundamental alt ration took place. Why not
give to the colonies the management of those lands ? He
could not, and did not suppose it was a mere love of power
that induced the government to retain the management of
them. Then why not give the management to
than legislative councils ? Benue, forsooth, it was supposed
they might abase the power, sad that corruption might
chance to be found in the pleas of a pure disposition of those
lands. His answer to that we., that the way to avoid suck a
°postgame was by having two legislative chambers instead
of one. Upon thorns grounds (whit the right hon. gentleman
recapitulated) he felt it to be his daty to ask the house to
take advantage of some further communication with the
people of those colonies beton giving their heel sanction to
this measure. He protested against parliament taking upon
itself any responsibility whatever in the management of the
local affairs of thee- colonies, and the course he now recom-
mended he believed to be saoet consonant with the dictates
of prudence, and the pease and honour of the crown, and
most likely to place the connection of those colonies on that
basis which every good citizen and patriot would wish to see
them.

Mr. ROEBUCK, in seconding the motion, said he assumed
the hon. gentleman who brought it forward was of opinion
that they were now called upon to take ths most important
step in the legislation of this country, with respect to a
large group of our colonies, and that that which they were
about that night to do wee to divest themselves, if he might
so say, of a great portion of their power, and that what they
were about to do was final with regard to the colonies. Now
the circumstance* under which they were called upon to
legislate for three 'plonks wime moat remarkable. Englishmen
having sass the disastrous consequences of colonisation in
America, and, undespoading an spits of that experience,
turned their feotateps to the east and to the south, and there
they had now laid the foundation of groat communities. We
have had the experience of our dealings with the Americana
—the experience not only of our own colonial, but of the '
e lonise of other nations—we knew the errors that had been
committed is conarsion with our colonies, and under thefts
pecaliar circumstances the noble lord at the head of the co-
lonies and his right hoe. friend opposite had been called
upon to legislate. Now he said they had taken no leaf
from the past, they had learned no lesson which history
ought to have taught them. What should the history of
our colonies have taught them ? That between the mother
country and the colonies there must always arias disputes
as respected the power of the colony, and the power of the
mother country. In this bill had they provided for
any one of those disputa*? Not at all. The noble
lord the Secretary of State for the Culonim had
been chosen to that °Moo because he was supposed
to be At for it. What had he done ? When New Zealand,
and South Amiss, and Australia called on him to legislate
for them he nomiaated a committee of privy council ; he
those three gentlemen, who were no doubt moat worthy per-
sons, he believed they were the present Lord Chief Justice
and two others, to advise the crown as regarded South
Africa and Australia.i And es the right hon. gentleman
said, with regard to New Zealand, what had he done ? lie
believed the noble lord's impolseand his wish wash, be right,
bat he had shown& want of a in dealing with the
principles which he prefness& Witt to New Zealand,
was there ever a body of MPS more worth, of the power of
'ormolus themselves Mon Ito migrants then ? They were
man far above the real eidgeosiss of went, men able as the
members of that house to govern themselves. They planted
a colony in that country. and they told the colonial minister
what every colony of Bagthltnien had told the colonial
minister, that they dmind to govern themselves. Lord
Grey was the Bret calm'sl minister who had said
that that desire ought in be ratified, and had
brought in a bill for the purpose of carrying out the room•
aeadatiee of them coloidate. He did not agree with the
right boa. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) in what he said on
that enbyeet There we. a giving way—* yielding to

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