The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-20 00:00:00

FACTORIES BILL.

Earl ORANVILLB, entWiTviniTh—eiiird reading of this
bill, said taut It had been so amply diamond the other even-
ing, that he would not trouble their lordehips with any
further observations on it,
Toe Duke of RICHMOND then moved as an amendment
that the bill be read a third time that day six months, and
Mated tint he fully concurred in the views taken by those
who bad sicned the pi:l:ions which he had that day pre-
noted. He could not unders:and the argumen's made we
of by those who supported the bail now before them, while
it doinc $ they were making alterations which would re-
move all the advantages which they admitted to exist under
the resent system. He protested against the bill, be-
cause the operatives would by ill-treated by it; and he
felt that those who thought that this measure was a
ens would Gad that the operatives of the country would
sot let the matter rest there, sod would not allow them to
take away the cup which tone lordohips had jut presented
to their lips.

Lord KINSAI RD denied that the working classes would
be ill treated by ibis bill. end wee of opinion that the peti-
tions which hail been presznted by the noble duke against it
should not be consilend as a proafol the general feeling of
the Optllltitfll.
The amendment was negatived without a division, and the
bill was read a third time.

Toe Eal of REDESDALE complained that the question
pat by a noble lord (Stanle)) the other night as to whom the
desire to make this compromise emanated from had not ties
ens med. By mime it was sad to have come from the ope-
settees, and by others from the millowners. He knew that
the majlrey of the operatives and millowners had presented
petitions agaiatt it. He wanted to know who propmed the
eonthroutiee, and who was authorised to do so.
E url GRANVILLE said that he did not consider it in the
light it a compromise at all. The bill had been introduced
for the purpose of removing the general el.e.atis'actirn that
was felt with regard to the shift system. (If ar.)
The Es I of HARROWBY then moved that a clause
be added to the bill, preventing children and young
females from being included in it He thought
that the bill behre them would create new evil.,
as it would ruse young persons to work later than
ever,sad cause a separation for two hours between young If r
M flutters, atteia' and sixteen years of age and their female
protectors. The clergy, a large number of millownen, and
the president of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce were
favuar of the proposal which he hid submitt d. The
tinsmith's of the hears of labour for wow n and young per
seas from ell to six would, he doubted not, pr.ye very
ben,fitiel, bat he still thought that this arrangensei.t
with filmed to children would operate injuriously.
A NOHLZ LORD deprecated perieversan with the amend-
ment, on the ground that It would endanger the passing of
the bill, and stlittested its p.stponement until next session.
Earl GRANVILLE was mach obliged to the noble Ihrd
for his suggestion •' it gave him great pain to °prise the
amendment ; bat the noble earl (Harrowby) admitted that
the bill was an improvement on the existing law, and he
(Earl Granville) had been Informed by those who had better
MIMI of judging than himself that the introdaFtion of such
an alteration would endanger the whole bill.
Lord KINNAIRD was alraid that the postponement of
the question until nest maim would tend to therms
agitation daring the ream.
The Bishop or MANCHESTER was compelled by an Jai•
perative sense of duty to support the amendment. It had
been objected that the time far bringing it forward was
inexpedient. It was bemire be believed that this
bill would be a final settlegaigg M this Meg-agitated
Bl

Jaws'
MOODY.

PATENT LAWS.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that for several yeses aileeepes
had been mad* to reform the laws icalaties to to tee
investions, bet at had bees loud that the emdumanNs et
the Attorney-Generalhollitne and others frees iris had Wen
to some extent aa obstacle. As the necessity he the redeem
of thaw laws was grams daily more obvious. and as the'
approsakiag exhibition of inventioas of truism kinds would
render sash a reform still more neaseary, he wished to ask
whether, in the appointment of the sew Attorney General,
there had been any understanding that the fees arising from
patents should set staid is the way of • reform of the patent
laws. It might b said that the Attorney-General had no
interest whatever in the matter, and must submit to as
eltaoge the government thought fit to introduces; but suck
changes could not be introduced without having • fair us-
dentanding with that other.
Lord J. 'RUSSELL said his bon. and learned friend, the
Attorney-o.ottral, would be perfectly ready to assort to any
improvement of the palest laws for the public benefit, and
would not allow any interest of his owa to stand in the
way.
NAVIGATIQN OF THE MEDITERRANEAN.
Mr. HUME mad whether, alter the dreadhl loss of
the Avenger, any steps b-d been taken to erect • lighthouse
ea Gallia Island oe the Agaglia Enke; or, what would be
a still more important boos to the navigation of the Medi-
temeneen (and especially to vossels bound tee Malta). on the
Illterki Rocks, on which another lamentable wreck took
place, the Athenian, 64, in the yesr 1806. All the sur-
rounding nations wield probably join in such a noble enter-
pew., difficult perhaps, but by no means impracticable.
Sir F. BARING was understood to say that there had
been • proposal for erecting • lighthouse on • territory
which did not belong to England, but he was not aware
that soy communication had taken piece with foreign na-
tions on the subject.
COUNTY EXPENDITURE BILL.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS asked what was the intention of the
boa. member for Manchester with respect to this bill.
Mr. M. GIBSON hoped the government would be in-
eland to take up the measure, which was one of great
importance, bat which never could be carried by an indl-
'fats' member. Looking at the expression of feeling in
favour of the steamer* from different parts of the country,
he hoped the government would be able to hold out some
hope of taking up and carrying through the measure next
session.
Sir G. GREY said the select committee bad taken a good
deal of evidence, and all he could undertake was that the
evidence should be considered, as well as the practiced recom-
mendations of the committee ; hut he could give so pledge
that the government would introduce such a measure.
RICHMOND PARK.
Lord DUNCAN asked whether any Instructions bad been
given to the park-keepers by the Commissioners of Woods
and Forests, in consequence of any complaints made by
the public in respect so the new regulations in Richmond-
Lord EBRINOTON said one of the latest communica-
tions he had received from his royal highness the late Duke
of Cambridge was in reference to Itichshnel•park. (Hear.)
His royal highness bad heard of the complaints as to the
new rules of Richmond-park, and his royal highness bad
requested his to see that the arrangements should be so car-
ried out as to interfere as little as poesible with the enjoy-
ments of the people. (Hear, hear.)
LANDLORD AND ThNANT BILL.
Mr. BRIGHT called the attention of the noble lord to
the Laudlord and Tenant Bill. The noble lord had post-
poned it repeatedly during the present session.
Lord J. RUSSELL seed that he wished to proceed with
the Ccmtnittes of Supply on Thursday. as an order of the
day. He had certainly stated that he wished to bring io the
Ladle ed sad Tenant Bill, hut merely with a view to the
discussion to which the hon. gentleman had referred. Three
might be a period in the following week when they would
take the discussion rep's the bill.
SUNDAV POST-OFFICE LABOUR.
Mr. FORSTER stead to pat a question to the noble
lord as to whether the inquiry offered by her Majesty had
commenced. The noble lord had stated that it would not he
necessary to take evidence. He was sure that Mr. R. Hill
had been supplied from the Poet-office with all documentary
evidence, and he did not see any necessity for considerable
delay.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the inquiry had been or-
dered according to the statements which he had made on •
former occasion. The Marquis of Chained', the President
of the Board of Trade, Sir G. Grey, and the Solicitor-General
had been sppointed to conduct the inquiry, and they were
now in • position to maks the Inquiry. With respect to the
time the inquiry would take, he could oily say that he
thought it would not be a very long inquiry. If the inquiry
was by parol evidence, of course it woula be liable to much
contradictory testimony, and the inquiry might lest a long
time. As to the last qv alien of the bon. gentleman, he thought
it was desirable, baying ones changed the order oe the Poet-
a'', on the subject, and than haying been changes periodi-
cally, not to make so many changes of this kind, and not to
allow time to elapse. He thought that no other nuaeures
could be taken until they could see the report of the com-
mittee, and adopt some plan.
nJOU' -7MENT -

question that he supported the ametdmant. iy the
bill. r it stood, the mills would be open from
hali.past five la the morning until half-pat eight
in the evening. Female children would be compelled to
go to work without the protection of their mothers sad
alder sisters at half-put fire in the atoning ; while, if they
commenced work after dinner, they might be kept at the
mill with adult males until half past eight in
the evening—the definition of " adult male " being
any :person above 18 years of ago. Could a right
sit atd mother or elder sister be happy or comfortable what
the younger daughter or sister was left to seek en home in
the company of adult males, with whom, perhaps, she had
to walk home fur a considerable dietaaoe 2 (Sear, bear )
If the amendment of the noble earl were eartied, there
would be scarcely any alteration in the existing practice of
the mills; and he hand their lordships would rescue female
children from the perilous danger with which they were
threatened, and leave the work after G o'clock to be per
Mined by those who were by their constitution the best
fitted to endure both that and the inclemency of the MEIN
evnairge.
After a few words from Lord MONTI/101.1,
Their lordships divided, when there appeared :
For the amendment l4
Against it 3O-16
The bill was then rear.
The following bill, ware then read a enesad time : leeer
warn of Boroughs Confirmation (No 2) Bill; KIM
Ballots Suspension Bill ; Population Bill; Population
land) Bill; Loan Societies Bill • Eoclosierisal Jurisdiction
Bill ; and the Lines, &e., Idandaetures (Ireland) Bill.
LAW OF LANDLORD AND TINANT.
Lord DIONTBAOLE gave notice that on Thursday next
he would move ea address for a commiallszi to inquire lobo
the rate of the law as between landlord and tenant in
BeglAnd and Ireland.
Several bills on the table were then advanced a stage; and
their lordships adjourned at 26 arras to eight o'clock.

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Ram sunpon, stating that Ws auk hired— le the UM.
bitaste of Me metropolis was I mediae adelteratedi by
abominable locutions, pointiag oat • mods of preveatig
, it, aid prayleg fee ea Insley. (Lesghter.)
PROGRESS OF BILLS BEFORE THE HOUSE.
Oa the melds that the house at its rising should adjourn
all II
IssedIAUSEHLL elated, is amwel te Mr. Elated.
Mat Y peepeeed le enakka the L side ammeldenailla One
et the Irish IdEnee =vain ; that he wadi Mha the
COlSSittell of Sim* ea Thursday ant instead of ?meant.
In newer to Laid DUNCAN.
Lwd SEYMOUR send that • report moved kr Newly
throe menthe ago, with reference to wino a:nehmenl he
ornaments is Ireland, was not yet la medial...mei he
could not as; when it would be laid ea the table el the
hone.
Yr. ANSTEY mind whether the penmen wadi
einem to the present onion being prolonged ME We
Parliamentary Oaths Bill had received the deaden of pan
limed, as was the genial win of these supporting the
bill. (Hoar hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said the ealy SWIM he could give
wee that he had stun last night that he would state on
Mena, what nuns would be ninon with that and other
Di answer to Mc Soon,
Lord J. RUSSELL end he would some morning ant
week, after the Meresatile Marine Bill. which had oacepied
ekes them. had game through sommiton, for the coasi dors.
ties of the Lords' amoadamate fa the Australian Colonise
jlenneetest
Mr. SCOTT protested against a question of so much Im-
portance being smoldered at • morning sitting.
Kr. Y. GIBSON. is newer to Mr. Oselbera, said he
Mmoteto mote the thud reeding of the Manhole,
Bill on Wednesday ; but it was am the same bill
as whin it was Ant subseittes to the hone.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FRIDAY, JOLT 19.
_. _

The Bromism took tko chair it 12 o'clock.

Yr. Cocain:an, the new Solicitor-General, waa intro-
dueed by Lord Mamas 1111 and Mr. Hirer, and took the
oaths tad his seat on his remleetios for 8 nithampton.
The bales was again In committee upon the Meroantile
Marine BA all t►e aliases of which were not gone through
at 3 o'clak, when the shairiasa repsrud' progress to sit
*via cm Monday morning.
The house reenad and adjourned at 3 o'clock to &
The Sratiman resumed the chair at fire o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Sum. BUTT OS NSW .—By Mr. M. GIBBON,
from proprietors of sulous newspapers, for the maiming of
the stamp duty.

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large halloo, - have mad* se _to Ns aoi,
MO kb him dot otnient spa a men et that home. Aa
IMrd 1:40001 a year to a bet eosin of this Qum
s Moot attfcr• tomato preardest whoa the his.. lame
t madam the provi.ion that would be required for the
sums Isolly of Mr thirsty. He theegitt SAW au
ligre Margate of Granby, Sir R. Inglis, Colonel Rawdon,
llMlCleleael ()batteries spoke in support of the original
=dem, sod against the amendment, whkk, upon a division,
Isms aossed-by 306 to 63.
Mr. HUME then moved that the eats be 10.0001 a year,
sad after a few remake from Led J. Ramell, Mr. V Smith,
Mr. ail= sad Mr. Henry Drummond, the
Opal $ this amendment by 177 to 66.
Th. =Vat 12,0001. a year he voted as •
imitable pitatYfss fee Ids Royal Highness the Duke of Qom.
blelionll:antlngreed toaa. annuity of 3,0001 a year to lbs
Films 31 ry of Cambridge was speed to without oppeok.
dos.
!be bass then mamma, when both resolutions were
ITUVLY.—THE POST OFFICE ArPOTHTKENTB.
Oa the orgies ter gaud tat committee of asp*,
Kr. ANSTEY called the a' tendon of No bun Is a ps•
Mice of 138 clerks in the money-order deportname arse
test-office, and mood an inquiry into this grouse Wes
which the appointment of ehie clerk of that departments his
been withheld from the officer who (as alleged by tho
dooms) would In official order have succeeded to it.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS cold that the affeirs of the money-
order department of the Post, film wen carried on in a most
candies and diegrdeful winner.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
it would he most impolitic for the hens* to interfere is such
deft& Ikaiority was by no means the Invariable rule
kr pransies is government onion, nor ought It to be.
Des die heads of departments must he trusted to fill up
sips is ohs grey they thought host for tho public service.

After some futile( ilininalion, the galley wise timed for
a division, but the moats was withdrawn.
STIFFLY.
The haus went tato eummittee of supply, Mr. Banwu. in
the chair.
Sir 11.. INGLIS moved that a en. net exoseding 43,3291.
be granted to her Majesty for defraying the expenses of the
British Mums.
In rept to Mr. Howl,
Sir G. GitEY said that no steps had hitherto been taken
to cony out the recommendations of the committee with
reference to the Museum, but that their report would
receive the consideration faiths government.
The vote was agreed to.
On the motion that • sum not exceeding 24,080!. be
granted for defraying the charge of the civil establishments
as this Western Coast of Africa,
Mr. COBDEN said he mould have thought it probably
more is order if sem* member of the government had ex.
pleated the grounds upon which the committee were called
upon to vote this sum. It was proposed to vote 10,0001. far
gn
settleuents on the coast of Africa. If 10,0001.
INTO all, it might be passed over lightly, feud no great
harm would ha done, for • vote of 10,0001 was a
mull thing indeed. The question wee—would they extend
their territory on the Gold coast of Africa ? His opinion
use that they had lately had too mach of tropical poseeseions,
wad that they ought net to extend them. Hs asked Maul,
*bat were the grounds on which they proposed to extend
Steil territory en the coast of Africa? Why, they had had
•mereepondences passing between their government and the
Danish government on the subject ; and, so far as be meld
niaderstand it, they were, first of all, to extend their
operstiou on shore (or the suppression of the slave trade—
I west. they were to extend their trade, and then
there was a general plan for the diffusion of civilisation on
the 00.11.1111111 of Africa. Well, now, the first of these ques-
tions was, whether they were to go on, with increased out-
sad exertion, to suppress the slave trade on the coast o'
/Aim ? He thought there was • very great doubt in the
Seltatry whether weshoald continue the operations we were
new engaged in ; whether we should carry on our operations
at sea. But here was • new plan fit operation' on shore ;
beams, the plan was, that we were to go on building forts
and eiteadiog our toren-iv, in order to put down single-
handed whist we bad failed to do in conjunction with France by
sea. This plan vas put before them by 0 Winniett, in
evidence which he trace before • committee of the II mes of
Lards. 0 manor Winniett stated that thy only m ode of
putting en end to the slave trade was by building forts along
the line of coast, such as the Martell° towers on the eeut of
Sussex—(laugher)—and that persons should be always on
the watch with • telescope for the approach of any vessel..
(Laughter) Toey het always some fresh plan for
the suppression of the slave trade First, they had
steam-vessels, then they had the Niger expedition,
with its horrible loss of life, and now they were
to have morello towers which were to put an end to the
slave trade in two years and a half, according to Governor
Winniett's opinion. The next object tor which these forts
were to be purchased was to extend their trade on the
meet of Africa. Now be, as a free-trader, maintained
that if they removed the obstacles on trade, it was
not their basiness to purchue land for the promotion
of agriculture or trade. They had petitions from
Masteheeter mud Liverpool in favour of the
purchase of these forte, tout he maintained that they should
not vete the money of the tax parrs at large to promote the
interest of particular traders in a particular locality. (Hear,
bear.) What be wished to impress on the house was this,
that it was not n y to invest public money in the
purchase of terri•ory on the coast of Africa, with • view to
the growth of cotton, when they had Guiana, J.1111•1C1, and
other Wait India I lands, for • length of time, without
getting any cotton from them, although they were toll
these places were adopted for its growth. (lieu.
hear.) He maintained that they had no right
to come to that house to ask for money in
order to purchase terr.tnry on act Jut of such a remote
object. (Hear, hear.) Let them remove the obstacles on
trade, do away with their Custom-house officen as bar as
possible, abolish the exrise—and by these means they would
kelp ant encourage trade ; but let them not IA that house
for money to buy territory in order to grow cotton. Then
there were very magniloquent terms used with re-
gard to the extension of civititation and the promotion of
Christianity on the coast of A`rica. That was unbolting on a
wide scheme indeed. (Hear, hear.) That showed that he was
right in viewing this not merely as • vote of 10,000!. (Hear,
hear.) They aimed at nothing short of the civilising and
Christianising the vast coast of Africa. But he held that
they had a great dent to do at home within a stone's throw
of where they were before they embarked on • scheme of
redeentiag from barbarism the whole coast of Africa. (Cheers)
Well, then, the question STOW—what forts were they going
to buy trove the Dane.? Were they going to buy the
forts merely with the territory within the command of their
guns, or were they going to extend the dependencies?
That was an important question—(heat, hear)—and it did
not distinctly appear which was the object in view ; but
the house should bear in mind this fact, that they had
never claimed the right of covert igaty beyond the rea-h of
their guns over thoso parts of the 0 old Coast, whet°
they had established Ounselyes; and the report of

ADJ6URNMse..., OF THE HOUSE. the neamittee of 1813 declared that to be a sound
Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the Lune, at its rising, do pried*. He had been sitting for three years on the
adieura till Monday next army, navy, sad ordnance cementite', and if he was son-
Mr. HUME observed that whilst there was a committee tined of any one thing more than another it was as to the
sitting to inquire into parliamentary salaries, it would be fallacious.... of tin salient-4 cost of their garrisons and es.
as well, before they went into committee to vote parti- tabliabsoesta abroad. (Hear, hear.) The civil estimates
sneer pansies., to see what other pensions the country could furnished no criterion of the vast expenditure which wee
be relieved from— going on, and in the army estimates for this year
The SPEAKER interrupted the hon. gentl.man, and there was en 'stimuli of 6,0001. a year for a corps
told him that he mold not maks a speech on the order of the of blacks on the eosin of Africa, in ensequence
day. (Hear, bear.) of the purchase of these forts. This was but the be-
' It was then agreed that the house, at its rising, do adjourn ginning of the mislay. (Hear, bear.) The hon. gentle-
' tiP Monday next. man the Under-Secretary for the Colooin would, perhaps,
QUEEN'S MESSAGE —COMMITTEE THEREUPON. reply that the West Indian corps which was now there
Os the motion that the Speaker leave the chair, would be withdrawn. But Barl Grey told them that it
Mr. HUME said that before the Speaker left the chair be would not be so. Stores aid other items of expense
should like to know what it we. intended to do when would be required in consequence of the purehue of
they got into committee. It was of the utmost important. these forts, and it was for the purpose of guarding against
that the house should know the nature et the proposition another outlet of expenditure that he exhorted
which the noble lord was going to make. (Much laughter.) the committee to pause before they recognised the principle
If an annual of °genie& was to be proposed, he was one of of extending their perineum' in tripical climate.. He cond.
the.. who th 'light they ought to require some information dewed that be would be as Koch justified in taking part in
before they agreed to the committee. Would (the noble a direct act of homicide as he would be in encouraging such
lord state to the bow penally, what was usual in that an expedition as the Niger Expedition. (Hear, hear.)
muse, aid what hie iatontioa was ? Probably the house was He recollected that be denounced that expedition at a public
not swot. that by on net of the Muse many years sine*, the meeting in Manchester as little abort of murder, and he gave
Duke of Cambridge had 6,0001. a year awarded to him. The of to many parsons by doing so ; but looking now at
allowance to the royal train bad been increased from the the oonsectoeness of that expedition he should deeply re.
circumstances of the day. The amount paid to George IV. proeob himself if be had not lenity protested against
bad been doeb!ed. The Duke of Cambridge bad bent rt. it. (Hear, bear.) He carted therefore no the philanthro.
calving as Viceroy of Hanover, for 12 years, 21,0001 a-year. pists of the bone to step in and prevent this wanton
Before considering any allowance for the palmist Duke of and uojustifiable saceidee of human life. He called on
Cambridge, they ought to inquire how far the 'Bowance to those who professed the principle of humanity as well
the lite Duke of Cambridge ought to be continued, and as the political nonotaist and the mere politician, on no
whether-ibis was not the time to review the payment. ground to sonnies the extension of this system to the east of
The SPEAKER again put the question, that he should Africa. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman amended by
now lean else chair. moving to redoes the vote ty 10,0001.
Lord J. RUSSELL, after making • statement of the ear- Mr. FORSTER said that he felt he must appear to a din.
liamentare provision which had bees made for the lets duke, advantage in following his hon. friend ; but he had this ad-
and of the nature of his marriage settlement, said that a vantage over his hon. friend, that he knew something
false impression was abroad as to the amount of his late of the nbjriet, whereas his hon. friend was en
royal higbaese's property. He informed the house that the time Longman of it. (" Hear, bear," and laughter.)
whole of that property was bequeathed in equal perilous to He would recommend his ben. friend to confine himself to
the three children of the duke, but that the present duke's the corn laws, became wh he branched off into other
share we. so affected by legacies that he would have but topics, he involved himself in trouble, and did injury to his
1,2001. a_year in addition to his pay as an officer is the own np.tation. (Hear, bear, and laughter.) This was set
army. He pr•poird to grant annual sums of 12,0001. to the • question of the extension of territory on the cwt
present duke, 3,0001. (a nu already provided foe) to the of Africa. His hon, friend said that this measure
Prisons Austria of Meeklenburg-Stre.its., and 3,0001. te would be attended with an Increase of mortality
Peinees Mary, and to the Heelless of Cambridge the 6,0001. os the nut of Africa. Now, ono of the
unwed as her marriage. The yearly sum paid to the late great obtains was to lessen that mortality, and the meow
duke haling best 27.0001., and the present proposal being taken to do so was by substituting a eorps of blacks is the 54,0001., a sum of 3,0001, would be saved to the country. place of European detsehments. The object of Earl Grey was
Hie lordship briefly advocated the grant to the present duke, to reduce the expenditure on account vet their establishments on the ground that, in addition to the necessity of sustaining on the °oast 0. Africa a. mum as p-mibie, la order to de
a 'mein public .11gnity, the charitable exempla of hie lather so, he proposed to raise a local revenue; bet it wen knion,
had entailed upon him an outlay which it would be coolie- trible for him to do so while he had the Dutch ea tile eao
teat neither with the character of his royal highness nor of aide sad the Danes es the other. The Danes bad hed the country to repro.. forts for forty years and they foetid it ire le Mr. HUME though that, conslderieg the urgent need of rain any revenue. (Cheers from lb. tree )
carried Yes, bat the D
end the effect produced by the change in the ear- anes OM se Isede the esegg, . a year —the annuity received by the late Duke satire trade was earned in 11141114 Who t
Ws
MMus/2W up to 1806—in additios to his military lacono, essatel hemp, Soo" vl °wee iota had agreed with
wee a salient provision for the duke ; and he awed tie Ile MIN to an artlhaillost (0+111.0mq...el Weise
rodeo the vets to that sum. a wisest endby this NUN they would be bun Is =km
Mr. DISRAELI observed that there were two madden. the expenditure of the MOM establishment on the Odd
lions for the house—namely, whether any provision should nut. It we., there/M. Messure of esenomy, IN Pm
be made, and, if so, what would be • (impotent provision. posed be defended it.
Respeetieg the first, there could not he two *Onions. The Mr. JACKSON expressed his surprise that the Reverie•
natritnUestaljealossy of that bone precluded tke Sovereign mast had ant at once explained the object mid real intent of

, this von. Hs hid heard a petitiesi from begahaele of UM-
r". pool rend, doliaing that it was woreemeny M expend this
mm of mosey, mod be emeld tenderemil their defog seri
sad for this resin se son es the 10,0001. &mid be voted,
if it wee to be maid the Liverpool merebeato would be oft
the alert to keen a share 'fit (Hear.) In order that it be
paid bills must be drawn es Me different departments,
and hew were they to be asked ? By the manufacturers
of this sentry Undies from London and Liverpool. In
that Menu the Liverpool menhirs would take cue of
themesivem and Nesbit their share of the profit. He
mold, Matierelmid their petiloming In favour
of this •fiee blhif be gam hi mantion to it,
he wished fe Ikea the ishle lord the Secretary
of State for lavabo Affeks, et from the trader-seere•
terry fur the Ce whether this 10.0001. was to be Tent
in adding to esl&_yriseliars or in carrying forward
...1.
that moral which they all wished
to: see the ahivi totally abolished. He hoped the
government washd give some satisfactory explanation
of the vote, sad not leave i s Memos to an independent
member. It was not a gaieties of 10.0001 , nor 14,0001, nor
20,0001., they had to deal with, but whether they were to
Own a system of Ankh they could not forme the end.
(Hear, hear. _
Mr. HAWBS named himself for not rising earlier by
saying that he thought it preferable that the opinions of
mercantile men should first be heard, as carrying with them
1317111 weight than his on the subjEct of this vote. If
there was one question more than another stamped with
the toncarrens of all portico in that house it was that
of extirpating the slave trade, and he could scarcely doubt
that the house would likewise agree in the opinion, that the
most effectual means for accomplishing that object wag the
istsb:ishing of a legitimate trade along the coast of Africa
He asked the house to rent to this rota then, because he
believed and maintained that If anything could extirpate
oat traffic, It was the gradual extension of British trade
along the coast, and which was the object of the vote.
Wherever the British poseerions had been extended, there
the slave trade had ceased ; and as we en-
croached upon the slave onus' coast, so would
we drive the slave traders from their poi ions.
There were certain porta belonging to the Danish
.g3vern-
meet commanding the outlets of one of the finest rivers on
the coast, and placed in one of the most fertilf territories,
and the question was would it not be desirable to obtain it
with the double object of increasing British commerce and
diminishing the slave trade. The Commercial Ameciation
of Manchester, and the Liverpool merchants, as seen
by their petitions, eonsidered that it would, and they
were no mean judges of what would be likely to ex.
tend British trade.
Colonel THOMPSON felt confident he would only
he acting in secordsam with the feelings of his consti-
tuents in supportins the vote, or any =Aerate ex-
peaditure that held forth any such probability of opening
new inlets to the trade of this country.
Mr. GIBSON said the hon. gentleman told them they were
going to chrietianise the population. They were always
told that was the object. He doubted very much whether
they would. The only thing they would do would be to
make these negroes pay more for their rum and tobacco,
and all for the b. nefit of the British exchequer. He al
not Ike economy at the expense of these whom they bad
ns right to tax. He wanted to know from what sour,*
this right sprang. It was said that it was all for the benefit
of our mercausts trading with Africa; but would imp -.Silly a
dry on British manufactures going into Africa extend our
trade t He must say, if we were to hays these ports it
would be more creditable for as to pay the expire of them
than to defray it by taxing the airvo.s. On these grounds
he should vote for the amender nt.

Mr. CARDWELL said we happened to have had from time
immemorial, a succession of forts along the Gold coot, on this
part of the coast of Africa. latmeliately adjoining
them was the Danish lints and Quitta. Now the King
of D 'homey bed actually invited us to have forts from
Winnehalt to Quitta. We have on the Gold Coast forts now
existing, and intervening between these and Q lilts, were
these Danish forte, whirrs were offered to as. Now, if the
lion gentleman the member for the West Riding and the
richt hon. gentleman the member for Manchester raked
them not to spend anything on the tort at Qoitta, or on the
forts on the Glad Come, though that would be contrary to the
recommendation of the committee of 1812,it would at least be
consistent with itself and would have the semblance of cons-
..

mon sense. But this amendment raid keep up your forts
on the Hold Cout and your fort at Quitta, but do not fill up
the gap, and though yon have forts i tiered for nothing, take
care yen hays nothing to do with them. The 'Wit hon.
gentleman said they ought not to tax the people of Africa.
He was very mach surprised to hear these gentlemen, who
represented peculiarly the economical party, advocat-
ing the expense of these forte being added to the «tie
matce. He thought it should be brought up in future as
their special i:em. Then in the neighbourhood of these very
forts there was a great inland river, which was of
greatest possible iniporeance if they were to carry their
Mille: into the country. Then what was the effect on the
*lave trade ? He was not speaking of it as a matter of
hum: ity, but as an impediment to our lawful trade.
Iler, was a fertile country and a large population, not on
the coast alone, but Mlind; but they did not consume
our manufactures, become the country was the score of
war and ruins, in order to feed the slave trade. They
must cut off the slave trade before these people could be
rouse consumers of British manufectures. W.ll, then, if
we ereated a jurirdiction along the coast, there could not be
slave trade in that large region; for, if there was to be a
slave trade, it must be in the vicinity of the place of exp .rt.
Mr. DUNCAN said, as toe sports, that fdancheater ioodels
were the nest things that could be sent, and that twelve
vessels were sow there taking In palm oil where formerly
there were only three, two of them sloven. This sostement
had Deere transmitted, with the 'melon of the Chu-thee of
Cumn:erce, to its government. By taking these ;forts a
; erfectly pacific mode was opened for extending our teed°.
It war at one* the best means of extending our commerce
end suonreming the slave trade.
Mr. V. SMITH was glad that the government had made
tit• Sr ire sty for the purchase of these ports conditional on a
vote of that house ; be only regretted that the question had
net been submitted ins larger I,.rm, namely, whether we
should, by either purchase or c 'egoist, extend our colonies
to the very utmost. (Hear, hear.) We were not to lay
down a rule of establishing a crusade in every quarter of the
globe, and expending a vast amount of money, for the sake
of I inenclia4 Christianity—the principle laid dowu in the
report. It was remarkable that most of our a.tempts to
spread Christianity in Africa had failed ; even at the Cepe of
(load Hope the governor stated such to be the case. lie should
be glad to hear whether the possession of these forts would di-
minish thee est of the African squadron,if so he would support
the vote ; hut on this point the report gave no information.
Mr. FORSTI3I3 said it was quite um 'erect to pay that he
had made any offer to the Danish government; they bad
applied to hum in the first instance.
' Mr. V. SMITH said we might as well be 'Weed to pur-
lchase the French and Dutch torts, if we were
not content with the cooperation of those notions in
suppressini the II see trade. Ile was entirely opposed to the
project of extending our colonies by any means; and he
hoped the government woul l not attend to every suggestion
from the manufacturing districts Le the extension of colo-
nies with the view of extending trade. He hoped they
would be warned by what had taken place in Libyan.
(Hear, hear.)
Sir B N. BUXTON concurred in the impropriety of ex-
tending our posusaions all over the world; hut the t ffect
of the proposed nurchase would be, not to increase, but
to diminish, our expenditure on the coast of Africa.
As to the supply of cotton, it was surely worth 10,00,1.
to try the experiment whether it could not be obtained
from that coast.

Mr. ANS IKT said the object of this vote bad been
very differently stated by the hon. member for Liverpool
(Kr. Cardwell) end by other authorities as competent on
theother side. The hon. gentleman said it was merely to
forma nucleus for the spread of christianity and cieibastims
in Africa; the hon. baronet r pposite said it was to furls a
nsw colony which should produce a revenue. He wished to
know whether this vote would 'us taken as a substitute fur
that most objectionable one in support of the African squad.
rob.

tellq towers 4ing the whole of the eclat of Africa,
dm, gather d the universal glebe ? Sash as under-
taking Would Is Woad"; bat, at the seas time, U they
Were ass prepared to hecarmUsellycsal the wheals meat there
was le as whatever isigarrisonstg • few fern In a few
plasm. (Hear, haat.) He would lot further occupy the
house; bat dealers kis concurrence in the views of the boa.
member fat the West Riding. (Hear, hoer.)
Lard PALIIERSTON said he could not bat think this
qteation had arisen late • dismission of a magnitude lowly
crisproportioaed to its real sad intrinsic worth. (Hoar, hear.)
They had been told by one hon. gentleman that this wag the
commencement of a great extension of their colonial posses.
@lens; whilst another hon. gentleman thought it wee the
sommentiserent of Utak establishing is Airier' dwalaises
isommensurete with that in India—(hsar hear)—bst in
these views heedad not participate. (Hier, hoar.) The
onljhon. gentleman that appeared to hint (Lord Palmer-
ston) to have taken a practical view of the matter was the
hon. member for Gateshead, who had just spoken. Tnat
hon.
trade. gentleman did not appear to he an enemy to the slave

Mr. BUTT—I beg to interrupt the noble lord. (Laughter )
Lord PALMERSTON—The hon. gentleman seemed to
think that an agreement ought to be entered into between
England and Brazil not to interfere in the suppreassion of the
slave trade. He hoped he did not misrepresent the hoe.
gentlemen,
Mr. BUTT—I beg to sty the noble lord does misrepresent
me. (Renewel lauahter.)
Llrd PALSIERSTON—The hoe. gentleman seemed to
think that England ought to ems from further attempts to
put an end to the slave trade; and had given the house to
understand his privata opinion was that her Mejesty's
alders should adopt the policy of consenting to a limited
and regular amount of slave trade between Brazil and
Africa.

Kr. HUTT—That I. cot my opinion. (Laughter, and
cries of "Order.")
Lord PAL sIERATON—The hon. patient's had stated
that, after a long course of experiments, they had failed in
the attempt to put down the alive trade, and that the traffic
was in the same position now as it was when these experi-
ments for its suppression were commenced. (Heir, hear.)
What was the attempt mad* in 1816 to 'approve the in-
human trade ? The greatest endeavours of the powers
leagued with England wore exerted, and the result was
a total suppression of the trade son.h of the line.
Therefore he (Lord Palmerston) should say it was a nine-
presentation of facts to state that the endeavours
they bad made, in conjunction, and not in oppo-
sition. with tbe other powers with whom they had
treaties, had not been in a great degree success.
ful. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Gateshead had
ass rted that the slave trade at Brasil was es extensive now
as formetly. He (Lord Palmerston) begged to enure the
hon. gentleman that he wee mistaken. (Hear, bear.)
Now, the only question was, would they accept a few trading
points offered them by the Danes, and garrison them with a
few black soldiers as • security to their merchants who
should trade to them, and by these means secure a trade
against certaia jealous rivals. (Hear, hear.) If parliament
refused that acquisition it would pa.. into other hands; and
he was stare that the members of that henna, who were
acquainted with the Alricsn trade, would easily guns the
danger to be expected from the two et ose janctioa of these
points with a jealous rival. (Hear, hear.) The question
arose in this way. The Danish government represented they
had in their possession these forts, which were of no
use to them; and that they were consequently anxious to
diepoe• of them to some friendly power. ( Hear, bear.)
Therefore, knowing the deep interest England had taken,
in common with Denmark, in the suppression of the slave
trait, the Danish government stated their willingness to
make over these forts or stations to England, provided we
were ready to pay for the materials there to be found, a value
of some 10,0001. (Hear, hear.) A more friendly or hand-
soms offer on the part of another :country was never before
made—(hear)—or a more unwise refusal of su..la as offer than
their refusal, fi they should decide in that way. (Hear )
They all knew it was very difficult to please everybody.
Mr. HUTT said the nobli lord, in detendesg his own Cause,
had thought It necessary to state that in some place
and at some time he (Hr. Hutt) had advocated the
sanctioning of a notified system of slave trade lie dis-
tinctly d.-Died that he had ever done so; and he trusted
that if the noble lord should ever repeat hie statement he
would mention time and place. (Hear, hear.) No person
in that house 100 kid on the slave trade with greater horror
than he d.d; but he must tell the noble lord that he re-
garded him as practically one of the greattat promoters of
that trade. (Cheer. )

Viscount PALMEItSTON said as the hon, gentleman
wished him to state the time and place, he wished to observe
that he was under the impression that at an interview which
it- had bad with himself at the Foreign•ofce, the hon.
itentlemAa had Staten to him that, in his opinion, labour
had a natural tendency to flow from Afrlta to America.
and that he wished I im (Lord Palmerston) to consider and
weigh well in his mind whether it would not be possible to
mime to an arrangement by which a certain limited enact
of slave trace might be carried on by Brazil, subje .s to
regulations which would render the passage less prejudicial
and injurious to slaves. II• had certainly understood the
hon gentleman to say that ? (Hear, bear.)
Mr. HUFF did not suppose that the noble lord had had
the h ast intsntion to misrepresent him ; hut he denied that
he had ever said what the noble lord attributed to him.
Tne noble lord had utterly mistaken hie meaaint. What he
had said on the occasion in qatit'on was, that he was of
opinion that, inasmuch as it was almost impossible under
ef sting circumstances to prevent the it flex of slaves into
Brazil, it was advisable that in concert with Brazil we should
adopt some system simi ar to that by which we now supplied
our own West Indian colonies with fret labour, and that it
Brazil could be so supplied with free labour that would tend
more efec•uslly to put down the slave trade than all the
efforts which had been hitherto made for that purpose. That
was his swims. at and none other.

Mr. 111.;HH said a more extraordinary di.etysion had not
t k‘n place within his reciAlection. Of the advocates of the
measure no two had agreed as to the grounds on which it
deserved seaport. The noble lord said that from the y,ar
1815, the 'd or:" made to pet down the slay.: trade had tven
completely successful. Why, if the evil, nee taken before
the two houses w.s to he relied upon, so for from thee being
the ease, the number of slaves tr,n-ported t America had
been doubled and even trebled. The noble lonia reasoning
eels very singular. He said—" The Danish government
have made a very liberal and handsome offer, and will y,:n
refuse it ? Wny, what was the fact ? The Danish g 'seen-
molt. after keeping up them, ports at an expense of from
3,0001. to 6,00)1. a year, had dieted them to an individual
merchant, on the con,litlon that he should hoist the Danish
H sr—an offer which he was too prudent to accept. (Hear,
hear.) As to expecting a supply of cotton from a district
when their power would not extend beyond the range of
:h. it guns, it would be madness. Had hon members con.
sidered what they were asked to purchase ? They were
asked to buy six forts. Of these, the first, Christianburg, was
a place of considerable extent, mounting 40 guns. This was
represented as a factory. Along with it was a martello
tower and a burial-ground. (Laughter.) Tee other forts
were nearly ell in ruins, aid they would no doubt be elleed
for grants of money to repair them. In tsct, the country
was naked to take upon itself an enormous sett interminable
expense. The intermediate distances were to he so studded
with forts, that it would be impossible for 'native to lend
without permission. Though 6,0001. wee put down as the
pI of the men, it mu-t be recoil cteil te it that sum did
not include either the cemosistariat rr the stores. 1,5001.
had, it appeared, already been expended for cone:tors.
Mr. MUNTZ said that they hal barn disruseing all the
night a guineas' respecting a miserable 10,0001. (Hear,
hear.) Why, he had laid out 10,0001. over and over again
without 'mythic' like the consideration that the Ham of
C Imams best ier.d on this wretched sum of 10,0001

(Laughter.) If England had not slipped in and purchased
these forte, some other twins would have dons so.
This country had only met the wishes of a very large
p -riot% of the people at a •.ry anal cut. He did not
thing any reassnable objection could be urged against such a
course. (Hear, hear.)
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said t►at this was not a question
respecting an expenditure of 10.0001, but a question respect-
ing the extension of • bad system. (Hear, hear ) Too
settlements of Steers Leone, Cape Coast, and o.embia, had
cost this c'untry 53,0001. in 1846, whilst in that year the
export, of Great Britain to these places amounted to only
176,0001 ; se that for every 1761. worth of goods sent out by
certain machante, the people of this country paid 651.
that was to say for every 171. worth of goods
sent tram Liverpool and Manchester, the people
of England paid 61. 10s. (Hear, hear.) Now he objected
to that on free trade pr:ncipless (Hear, hear.) They hod
no right to tax the people of this country in order to put
money into the hands of certain merchants. (Hear, hear.)
Let it be proved that the people of England paid nothing,
and he would nut object to the vote.
After a few words from Mr. FORSTER, the committee
divided :
For the amendment 42

Mr. BRIGHT rose to oppose the vote on behalf of the
lauding community which he wt' supposed to represent.
He doubted whether there was, in the history of any
country in the world, anything to be found so contrary to
the dictates of Christianity, as their conduct with
regard to their colonies. With regard to the
trade, they were assured that they were now going
to take • step which would very likely afford • new
source of supply in cotton to the Lancashire merchants, and
an increased number of customers for the produce of the
manufacturer.. Now he would not have the merits of this
vote to be judged by any with that the Commercill
tau might have expressed in its favour. The Chamber of
Commerce in Manchester did not support it. Mr. Duncan
had been furnished by that chamber with cotton se, ds of
various kinds to take out to Africa, but he believed that the
chamber had received • very small amount of cotton
in return. He protested against the Chamber of Commerce
being quoted in favour of the proposition before the
home. If that proposition was placed before them for a de•
vision it world be rejected by &large majority. He understood
that it was the intention of the government to establish a
black corps; now he would not be astonisha d if they were
after the example of the King of Dahomey to raise an army of
black women. (Laughter. )The government were is. king to es-
tablish the principle that it was neousary for them to posses. a
large portion of the west coast of Allies, in order to keep
down the slave trade. He repudiated en the part of those whom
he represented any connexion between the cotton trade and
its interest', and the project before the house. He rose
fur the purpose of remonstrating against the supposition,
that the cotton trade had anything to do with it ; and, as
there was not the slightest probability of their getting fifty
bales of cotton for the nest fitty years if such a measure
were speed to, he would support the uttion of the hon.
member for the Wort Riding of Yorkshire.
Sir DR LACY EVANS, in support of the vote,
said, that the cotton merchants were in favour of it.
He believed the result would be, by harnessed corn-
merdal intercourse, to keen the nemmity of maintaining
the expense of the African squadron ; ant on these grounds
he was prepared to support the vote. (Hear.)
Mr. HUTT fully agreed in the views of the hon. mem-
ber for the West Riding of Yorkshire. Hs regarded the
proposal to obtain the forte on the ooaat of Affirm se a costly
and abortive salterilseals by whisk the people of this
country would be, se they heretofore ha t been, deluded
with the idea that they were magnanimously engaged in the
suppewelea of the slave trade. (Hear, hear.) They had
now been upwards of 30 years this engaged. They had
made treatise and sacrifice. to insure success ; but after
these 30 years of experiment, what had been the rerun ?
(Hest, hear.) That they had arrived at the comilmion at
which the bake of Wellington and Mr. Carving
arrived in 1822, " that it would be well, for the
cease of humanfi_y, if none of these experiments had been
undertaken. (Freer, hear.) He wished to know,
were her Mejtety't tninWers pnpanct to erect mat-

Against .

138-913

The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to :—10.5751. for St.
Helena; 7,3791 for Western Australia; 1,2441. for Port
Blessiegton • 1,4861. for Heligoland; 5.0001. for the Falkland
Islands • 13,2961. WAG voted to defray charge of the eo:o-
-nial land and emigration board. _

The house resumed, cod the chairmen r. pried the reso-
WOOD' to the homer.
EQUIVALENT COMPANY.

This bill went through committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said thighs
had stated early in the eessi.m, that he proposed to apply
240.000 f. to pay off the annuity of what was called the
Equivalent Society is Scotland.

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