The Express.
London, England, 1861-07-16 00:00:00

TEE EXPRESS, TUESDAY

pressed with the Registration of Births, hc. (Ireland) Bill,
and the Fairs and Markets (Ireland) Bill.
Mr. CARDWELL said both bills bad received the attar
lion of select committees, but they had only recently been
printed and circulated. If he found that they were likely
to give rise to considerable discussion he would not attempt
to make any progress with them.
Sir G. UIIEY, in reply to questions from Mr. Sotberon
Esteourt and from BirJ. Elphinstone, said it was the inten-
tion of the Secretary to the Admiralty to proceed with the
Greenwich Hospital Bill to-morrow if it came on at a rte.
amiable bow.
IRISH EDUCATION.
Mr. BUTT moved a resolution that it is inexpedient, in
distributing the grant for the purposes of Irish education,
to enforce the rule of refusing aid to all schools in which
religious teaching is made a part of the general instruction
of the school. He contended that, as a system of united
education, the national system had utterly failed, and, if
so, and if protestant. sod Roman catholic. were receiving
education in distinct schools, he asked what justification
1 there was for imposing this restriction? By rescinding the
rule education would be made more advantageous to the
recipients—for it could not be an advantage to exclude
religion—and the grant would be a reel boon to the
oonatry.
Mr. LEFROY, after some remarks upon the Board of
National Education and its operations, stated the reeled
why he did not oppose a grant made by parliament for the
beneet of Ireland, but he praised upon the house and the
government the importance of making the Bible the loon-
&ties of secular education.
Mr. MACEYOY supported the resolution, and poisted out
what he considered the faults of the national system, which
he hoped parliament would not continue to sanction.
Mr. CA DWELL thought the house did rot desire that
this question should be discussed at say Leith, and
briefly replied to the arguments in support of the resole- I
Um. He insisted that, whatever might he said to the
contrary, the national system had been a snows', and bad
imparted to a large number of the people of Ireland a
good, sound Christian education.
Sir H. CAIRNS said the only question with him was
whether, by certaia changes (which he indicated) it was
sot possible to induce these who had hitherto objected to
sIONVs aid to come is sad swept it, so as to make the
system of education really national. Recent alterations i
had, in his opinion, thrown back the prospects of such a
system.
Nr. 11. O'FERRALL explained his reasons for with-
donde( his coofwleses from the national system which he
had at Ant i
Lord J. It= said he had always held, and still
adhered to the opiates. that it was an advantage to the
shit/Ives el the poor to have a religious eduosi, and
thislnFitile wee adopted is Bathed. Is applying it
tohe thought Lord Staaley's letter devi ed lb. best
system. t we. said, why 'horrid sot religioa be t=etr;
every child is the schools? This raised the qesetios
there should be • desominatkna system is Ireland.
It that system was to be misled by pub& Imo_ by tar
the largest proportiost would go to Ream erAamilie
sad there would be senstemt eentroworelos as to the asters
ot the oilmellion given is lime wheels. He thought the
beet mom toe the pine and inehmotion d the yospie of
Leland we M poisevere is the system of posts spot the
prses* et Lord etemley's leper, wider which 1100,0C3
*Whim were sibnatsd. sod he amid be sorry to me any
change ia it
Mr. NONSELL compkined that the IMMO Pil
with referee's to the pant, was mot applitl to Ireland
I Falk-
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minsa as the esairary, maintained that, in re-
spect to the administratioa of the pant. them was not the
maned differeace. _ _

tipoe • division. the 11•011111011 nor impaired by 36 to 6.
The home then wed its esemeittes of supply, cud ro•
saved the diseweelee of the ..S t. for public education
ia Ireland, easouuting to 286,3161., which was ultimately
Weed 80.
Mr. PEEL, in moving • vole of 156,001, fat as recta:m-
ike of the Mode toll, stated the fouadadien of the slain of
Hanover to this toll, which legbad bed INE6l•llllldastea
for • /imikd period, seam the treaty of left Mat
bevies bele termiated by segos. The aneeuel
by Hanover from the toll wee *COL • yew, whisk ememel
Sreaphelieed, at years' gmehese, amennied to
Ogii., sad the preportioe te be pahl by Reglbad frit Ms
redemption wee ofte.thini. or 156,0001.
The min wee thea weed le ; es was the following,
almildlihr the ratty end .:peeves of the Natiseil Ida.
The veleelita4,Bl6l. for the Vaiverelty of Leeks, of
16,1861. for the arprase of %ski tinMenitles, of 2.3341.
for the Quen's ll.ivenit7 in held, et 4,8001. for the
Mamie, Ldad, cud d 81101. ter the Royal Irish
y, were agreed to.
Ou the vote of .2,6001 far= pis at Belfast
ad the WWI Asedesakel
Mr. HADFIELD sewed the redweEse of the pant by
2,0501., leaving 4801. for elbeweeme I. reeked peofeesors.
Mr. CARRI .L Mended v=d bored the
ameedsoret would aell premed to •
Mr. DAWBON aim sappeeted the vote.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS isepported the rednetie• In the
vote.
The oommitles divided :

tryis
30-100
Tbs house tlisa mama

THE OFTENCEE AGAINET THE MOON 3flL.
The ameedmeste to this bill wore musiimed.
Mr. HENLEY pregoesd I. elms 4 to lone out the
word "bias,," en to immure nese of "a Riennessor."
The animal rens, of Linn did sot p back further
bull be would ewe then to the been ad
bobs desisMiebew that the kw is behind slight be
lift is sane genies es sow. This. bad bees a se.
marloblear=ie nethaimel Mune of thet ceseln.
It hod deseneed even nor omen ia the foetal
years
er and Ike hobs. The dame desk with oreignmey to
murd stessekagfrin ; sad song the peat demean
kthose Grimm leiren it mini lordly be said that
this iscromed mak d the law we. required.
An be did welkin k wend be isecinesint to istrodare
bonier wing ino the kw al laglial le the mi.
anal return et sid Ogee weer special mime of the
nene-111 was imelmisi seder Me Men mieduresesima but
Ihe thought it was aYr sismelemium Withers Nada set be
' any, at they wand ban ben mislay anted is the
statistic*. wasikasy ems a very awkward 1161111 tor
Freon to be ammenaL Is mew al felony tit pdies bed
always mania meal knit powers et ea ertinerY
siker tan is arse of miudemmisomr. Then nee fa Rag-
lan • sect member d tenipore relish, mod motley wend
be mere may
_mike this urn kw lies tor a lereio news-
men to get held of no emempiadommi et say Minn re-
fugee is this essaky by a dery of swiping, seder whin
the_polise would slims Wm et the anus&
The ATTORNEY.° 11QAL Imbed that the hone
would set be hieded adgertept theiesees onsmimink The oh.
ee of the right boa. lea that seder
kw the pan align be inns& win amen
power.e of beseleresee with nom mad ewithpeps=tbis
might lead to njudess sceass=sa met so meek to the
le ~i a kroner, am to
those with boss is ereepeedesee out
et this nelka. Ter the isstabilabise this objes-
ti:kbeiXtthe hes.
are` enepiiny with
remilleatima an ey also he-
twin the iskister et the 1111111111417 10 went the
retnee belonged sod the gmenneed et this
poses name there wen seen by wteel:l2;
papas sigma be mumernined M the goverment
the inmiliremee et the pens send set the meet
TiMi.ss. He tike AMermey•Oessmsk did an believe
pverment Aim wiestryweuld lint to
seek prereenn This wee digies atcdt
the muse Mime, a hill for amisraetin the kw
an at The seed would in if *le sad the other bills
with einem ands peseed, that la fin sole nun wend be
oaseenkted the statute kw a and ban nom
sucet of the heeds el mime most ink with by
.wed
Mr. whisk the oes
esgmieesse et the urroesm et Ws katight
mar the meg
Xr. LE said tams nis vetoi hailedes imm ieleakmenn
qesetiom. He bad cities laseitated is to the MUM be should
ten, bet bad at bet mem to the same cesdnes is his
right hos. kind. (Hear, beer.) The object den kW
was to mink the Qom topunish what was mot this a
legal offence, neenely, mg to murder some person
abroad. The dttensey-Oessesl told them that bills of the
Mad had bees ustroduced Wore ; true, but they had never
gem en for discussion.Maar, hear.) This bill was not
eseseisient with the law either of England or of !reload, but
altered the law of both. As t.peded Ireland, they made
the Mines punishable by paean servitude, sad the quietism
raised by hie right hon. friend was neither as to the crime
or the punishment. but simply as to the mode in which the
police of the country were to deal with the offeaos, and
which would be deeded by the simple technical differesee
of whether it was °salads misdemeanour or a felony. If the
latter, the pollee might do things by abuse of authority to
• penes MOWN' which were wholly opposed to the feeling
mod the coustitatioe of this country. The object of his
right bea friend was to remove the possibility of such
eseduct, and be men therefore support his right hoo.
friend's amen bsen

Mr. CONINOHAM thought it most extraordinary con-
dos& oa the part of her Majesty's government to attempt
to neew this damn He should support the right hon.
gentleman's amendmint.
Mr. AY RTON intended to move to strike out " felony "
and retain " miedemeanour." This clause was limited to
conspiracy without overt set. (Hear, hear.) The
question was whether as offence short of committing
murder should he put in the mine category as the attempt
itself to commit murder. He contended that each legion.
ties would be et variance with every principle winds had
=the House of Commons in dealing with the orimird
the country. Nut one of the commiseicaere bed for
gelded that it would be win to abolish the moral &Stee-
-1 tame of Use common law of lieglaed. What was the woes-
iity fur this change ? It was never proposed until the Km.
mot of the French desired that a change should be mole ;
but tbe lam of the Premier as that awake Ina
began by a
and be sow majority. He objected to the ohmage them,
objected to it on the same principle.
Sir C. C. LEWIS said what he undenteod the right
hoe. gentleman to object to was simply the distinctioe
between misdemeanour and (steely. He confessed be did
not think the matter was worthy cif any lengthy eitteatiou,
sod should therefore be Perfect/7 ready to agree to the
amendment. (Hear, hear.)
The clause as amended was Uses agreed to.
Lord RA YNHAJI moved in 'lame 43. pep LI, Lae 10,1 e
leave vat "six" sad insert " twelve."