The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-11-08 00:00:00

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will take everything you

;, I object

;o it in toto—l will not give up my apprentices.
Mr. CLOVER: Nor do I think any other man will either.
The CHAIRMAN : We will take it for granted that you
6N-ill not.

: I made inquiry of the apprentices themselves
mght of it, and the majority said that even if
nd the men agreed. on the point, they would

the mas

Ur. DAWSON obs

;rued that he himself had served an

nrinvonfionctin of rani. VP.r .ancl that he certainly was not
competent o buila a ship at the end his sum year, tnougn

he was after being five years a master

Mr. GRAYSON asked if there were any. objections on the
part of Mr. Neill that they should name six gentlemen then

The CHAIRMAN replied that Mr. Neill could not object to
the masters' committee, as they would not object to that of

the men.
Mr. CLAYTON said that that was a very fair proposition
Mr. NEILL : The sooner it is done the better.
The CHAIRMAN : It will be done some day before Friday
Mr. NEILL then withdrew
The CHAIR3I

lid —I was unavoidably absent at your
sad am therefore aware of what then occurred
the papers. I see, however, that you have settled
which though apparently trivial, is still very
important in its results in affecting our resolution, and that
is the carting. Now whether I shall proceed in what I have
to say in reference to this resolution, or defer it, is at this
moment a matter of consideration with me.

last meetin

Mr. S3IITH : Better defer it till the primary matter is
sottled with the men. All the rest are very minor consider-
and they had better be left over until the first matter

ations

is settled

The CHAIRMAN : Yon can scarcely be aware of what I
.out to say. I was about to say that I feel this asso-
ciation is in a peculiar position, but not a difficult one—.
peeuliar from circumstances which seem to control us, and
these circumstances emanate from parties from whom we had
the least reason to expect them. We have found that the
course which certain shipowners have pursued not only in
paying additional wages, but in causing carts to be hired,
militate very much against our resolutions—so much so as
to almost nullify them. And these resolutions, though
wholesome and beneficial in themselves, and I think chiefly
got up and carried here for the benefit of the shipowners,
and I might almost say them only—these very' resolutions
cannot be carried out, not becal• se the men will not adhere
to them, but because of the ditlimlties which the shipown-
ers themselves throw in our way. (Hear, hear.) Now, that
constitutes what I implied by the peculiar position_ in
which we were placed, You are well aware that for
upwards of eighteen months there seems to have been
such a deficiency—such a want of shipwrights in this town,
that the demand for labour has caused wages to rise to such
a height, that it would be a difficult task for me to endeavour
to explain them, because they have been founded in different
forms, and obtained tinder different pretences. (Hear,
hear.) But it is known that they have risen to such a
pitch, that it will astonish the world to learn that men have
been paid 12s. and 13s. a day.

was at

A voice : Sixteen shillings last week.
The CHAIRMAN : This association has struggled for a long
time not to reduce the wages, but to endeavour to remove
numerous complaints which the shipowners themselves have
made in respect of these wages, and the detention of their
ships by the seeming want of men. This association has
struggled for a length of time, and a great deal of time has
been expended here by you on their behalf ; and, in con-
sequence of all this, strangers were brought here, and may
now work here without fear of being molested. But, not-
withstanding the report, that there are upwards of 500
Strangers in this port, it is a fact, that there still seems to
be a deficiency of men. To direct and to meet the eircum-
have ruled for a

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three times a week, not wasting your