The Express.
London, England, 1868-03-31 00:00:00

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DIPIRIAL PARLIAMENT. TMr. 2. A. lAutism- Whored ii was folly to food'
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HOUill OF LORDS.—MONDAY, VALOR 30. Irish church was miunlaill•Cl. It was not
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lit the House of Loess, yesterday, the coy leg knife they wanted, but the axe ; not ,
assent was given by ounnession to meal bilk /WS di"ndawmant
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Mr. O'Nitthr, deeded that the Protestants neetki Lord LTVIDIN called attention to the - ,
which had been
the
to purwmat =inet increasing in Ireland, and 001 Mended that to
ing hostilities on the River Plate. He , disendow the church was to repeal the Act of
urged on the government not to interfere, er we I Uni..._0n.,,..
narOLIAZD-I.llQUlliar addressed the house in.
might find ourselves unexpectedly drawn into a I .z-
very disagreeable war. I support of the motion, and Mr. B. COMPASS
The Earl of Ma.LMF.BIII.IY did not see the against it.
slightest danger of the realization of the noble' Mr. Mowczirr believed that by doing justice
to Ireland in respect to the Irish church, All
Parr 11. ' lord's apprehensions. The government did not
would do more tranquillise The net Walpergie-Might Mendibichs• propose to offer any mediation between the parties, , other course. to lreland than by anY
As stated in a letter frost Mr. George Grove, secretary or to interfere in any way, but had confined them-
the Crystal Mem, we may soon hope forsome classifies- selves to directing the British Consul at Buenos I Lord CUL/MIMI said the leader of tilt opposi-
nee of Haydn's symphon'ee, in a forthcoming work on the Ayres to do what he could to obtain the release lion offered them • policy ; the Foreign Secretary
subject by Herr Pohl, of Vienna, the author of " Haydn of Englishmen. offered them a paltry excuse for delay. Be main-
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sad Mozart in London." It is fully time that such a task Mari Our protested against Englishmen in , tamed the principle of a state church, which had
was undertaken, since the beautiful orebeetral works re- foreign countries putting themselves into ne ' done us much good in past times, and might do
Penl°ll,feri: i much good hereafter, and he would ot desert that
ferred to (with the empties of the "twelve grand" aye- positions, and expecting that their own
lewhenapplied' Ireland. He doubted
to
phonies composed toe Salmon's coseartal are gab. merit would shield them from all danger afterwards. I Prul
1 whether the object for which this great sacrifice
jest to all sorts of confused and arbitrary die- The Poor Relief Bill, the object of which the
tuitions. Many of them are, in this country, Earl of Devon explained to be to remove certain. I was to be made would be obtained. They were
themselves distinguished by the letters of the ak.habet ; but as obstacles which interfered with the proper working going to draw down upon the 'bitter
'a
more than half of the 120 symphonies composed by Haydn of the Poor-law Board, and to extend the power of an
_ul ...tionaiate the remainder. and that the
they bad no
are extant, this is obviously an insufficient means of die- the Board with reference to local administration,
most
of one-third of the
able and the most wealth],
tiaosion. The Paris publishers, again, elan these mu- was referred to a select committee. security that they would cone
phentee numerically, prefixing an .. opus. which was Qom ' Several other bills were forstarded a stage, and It was impossible to tell what the policy of the
governmnnt would be. He could not forget last
indicted by the rerapeeer, ()there are relied by niter- the house adjourned at •• quarter past seven
secretary might get up and
names, as " Roxelana," "Ls Reins de France," " Marie o'clock. year. after
avow their determination to uphold the church, but
Theresa," "Schoolmaster," Ice, if which few peopled he was utterly sceptical as to their power over
know the origin or meaning. The symphony performed HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, MARC' 30.
last night lin E flit) has long bean a favourite ! lit the HOUIII of C 03010240, Mr. GILADSTON their erratic leader. This ambiguous amendmentZ would not have been put f by any ministry
English *talcums. and must continue to moved that the holm will immediately resolve it- unless they had no policy to propose, or unless
be so AS long as genial melody, and facile self into committee to consider the acts relating to , the. had a policy
skill in construction, are prized in musical art. the established church in Ireland. He said he which they dare not propose.
I Among certain gentlemen on the ministerial aide
The "Chorus of Dervishes," one of the most won- should have to ask the house, when it got into of the house the amendment was popular ; they
dronsly picturesque pieces of suggestive music that . committee, to say that the time had come when the I said it was clever. It was too clever
even the genius of Beethoven has produced, , Irish church, as an establishment, should cam to .by half. He was for meeting the re-
was encored last night. Mdlle. Mehli( ,by her relined per- ' exist. In dealing with this matter they should ' solution by • direct negative, but he could
forniance of Hummers difficult concerto, fully maintained endeavour to conciliate public feeling where it could not support an amendment which was merelyin
the favourable impression she had already made daring be done, and to act with all on the principles of brought forward for the purpose of maintaining
the hands of the present government the cards to
her two previous visite to this country. Mille. Dr./dile ! justice and equity. But, beyond that, the aim
~_of
shuffle as they liked, and to repeat the process of
expressive singing of the pathetic air of Rossi ;an effective all these proceedings would be to put an, end
theto
Irran ta zrula last year on the subject of reform.
rendering of Rosin['* brilliant overture, and a capital per. 1 Ireland to all endowment, toall
formance of Mendelssohn's great cantata (the solos by Consolidated Fund to be applied to the pillions of
Mr. Luca stated his intention of voting for the
motion, but said it was not • question that could
Mane. Drasdil, Mr. Wilford Morgan, and Mr. Santley) 1 any religious denomination whatever. When they
complete the items of loot night's excellent concert—the ; had satisfied every just claim they would have to be settled by the present parliament.
programme of which was "by special desire." Their ! contemplate a residue, and that residue The SOLICITOR-Gam:RAI. contended that the
Royal Highnesses. Prince and Princess Christian, Princess ! must be treated as an Irish fund, and •p- second resolution was illegal, and the third uncon-
Louise, and Prince Arthur,atitutional. The former objection might be met
having been among the plied to the exclusive benefit of Ireland.
I here had until now been no state of public opi-
visitors. by an act of parliament, but the latter could not.
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1 they destroyed the Irish church, what security
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the which would have ena
question. He denied that t them to deal with
here had been any was there for the Scotch or the English ?
sudden apostasy on his part. A change extending Mr. LAWAON answered the legal objections of the
over • quarter of a century w" hardly to" Solicitor-General, and said the effect of the Irish
esteemed a sudden change. In 1846, having lost church establishment was to carry religious rancour
his seat in consequence of his vote for the repeal into almost every ramification of society in Ire-
of the corn laws, he was asked to become • member land.
of Lord Russell's cabinet, and he refused bemuse
On the motion of Mr. G. HARDY the debate was
that government was opposed to the Irish church ; then adjourned.
and he then said he could not rote to maintain it.
And in 1865 he made a speech, in which he stated The Marine Mutiny Bill paned through com-
that he could not support that church, and his con- mittee, an amendment being introduced by Lord
stituentatook advantage of that, and theoonsequence H. Lennox similar to that carried on the Mutiny
Bill fur the army, abolishing flogging in time of
was that he was not now member for Oxford, but for
South Lancashire. Speaking of the vested interests Peace.
which would have to be respected, he said it would Some other business was disposed of, and the
be a question whether they should limit compen- house adjourned at half-past 12 o'clock.
nation to those who were in posseesion of benefices,
or whotherthey should not have some regard tothose
who had devoted themselves to an indelible profession
in the expectation of being hereafter appointed to
benefices. All he said was that he did not at this
moment absolutely shut the door against them.
He apprehended that there would be no desire to
deprive the protestant community of the fabrics,
provided they wished to apply them to religious
purposes; and the same principle would be applied
to the residences of the clergy. In addition to that,
the proprietors of advowaons would have a strict
claim to compensation ; but he believed that the
benefices in private hands only amounted
to one-sixth of the whole. There were
likewise private endowments by persons who
had devoted their own money to this purpose.
The effect of the process would be, that of the
money value of the endowments not less than
three-fifths, possibly two-thirds, would remain in
the hands of the Anglican communion in Ireland,
and they would hold it with the perfect and
cordial goodwill of all sects and persimmons, both
in this country and in Ireland. It was said that
the disendowment of the Irish church would be
dangerous to the church of England. Assertion
might be met by mertion, and he claimed the
liberty of making an absolutely opposite assertion.
He held that it would be dangerous to the church
of England to hold her to be in communion with a
state of things politically dangerous and socially un-
just. It could not be said that the existence of
the Irish church establishment was necessary for
the maintenance of protestantism in Ireland.
The penal laws, while they were in force
were, to • certain degree, suooessful ' • thi
proportion of Roman catholics to protestants
decreased, but since those laws were repealed the
proportion of catholic* to protestant* had in-
creased ; and though the census of 1861 showed a
small proportionate increase of protestant', the
rate of conversion was so small that it would take
1,500 or 2,000 years to effect an entire conversion
if it went on at the same rate. He asked the
house to agree to the principle of disendowment ;
and, further than that, he asked them to arrest at
this particular moment the creation of new vested
interests. The object of the third resolution was to
arrest episcopal appointments, but not to interfere
with parochial appointment* in private patronage. It
would also be necessary to stop the proceedings of
the Ecclesiastical Commission. This could only be
dune by act of parliament. In the first part
of the proposal he wished to test the
question whether the time had come for deal-
ing with the established church in Ireland ;
and if they decided that in the affirmative, he
trusted they would not restrict their action to an
abstract resolution, for he had never known an ab-
stract resolution to be the foundation of anything
but false hopes. The final arrangements. he thought
ought to be left to a reformed parliament, but
he proposed that they should prevent by legislation
this melon the growing of a new crop of vested in-
terests. There had been a connection for 700 years
between this country and Ireland, end during
almost the whole of that connection there had been
a succession of storms and temporary calms. From
time to time the Irish problem had been dealt with,
but it had never been dealt with by removing the
whole cause of dispute ; and what had been done
had always been domande, the Femme, danger.,
Could they be surprised that the Irish people had
failed to exhibit gratitude? He appealed to the
house to amend this course, and to do all they
could towards gearing their account with Ireland.
Lord STANLIT then rose to move his amendment,
which admitted that considerable modifications in
the temporalities of the United Church in Ireland
may after the pending inquiry appear to be expe-
dient, and stated that any proposition tend-
ing to the disestablishment or dieendow-
ment of that church ought to be re- ,
eerved for the derision of a new parliament.!
These resolutions were described as resolutions for
the diaendowment of the Irish church, but when
he looked upon them he found nothing of the I
kind. They told them absolutely nothing of what'
they meant to do with she funds of the Irish!
church. The real question was not whether any-
thing
should be done to the Irish church, but
what the change was to be. Probably there was
not one person in a hundred who would stand up
and say that no change should be made in the pre-
sent ecclesiastical is in that country.
He certainly was not t one. It was not in-
tended to legislate this session, and it was '
undesirable to give pledges as to what
should be done next session. The question
must be dealt with in • new perhement,
and a parliament elected by a new and geese/ ex-
tended constituency. Were they afraid that the
new parliament would ignore or neglect the ques-
tion of the WA church? It was rather hard that
all the business' of the session should be set aside
simply to go to the gnintry with a new election
cry. He was not going to state what the govern- •
mut intended to do as regarded the Irish church.
They were of opinion that the question was one for ,
the future and not for the premed pediment. , •

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sight's smart (the aced of the nes* :

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Cowart° la A BA planoloite, Millie. MALE. HunameL
Scans. "Ua Las's gloomy Matt" (MAL gr
dameloy Mendelarohn.
Overture. " William Tel"

NONDIT POPULAR CONCERTS.

The last concert of the season, and the benefit
of the director. Mr. Arthur Chappell. tcok place Wt
night, when St. Jaases's Hall was crowded in every part :
a result due to the ocaudon and the excellence of the
attroctione provided. That them were of special interest
the following programme will show :

UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE.

OXFORD, MARCH 30.
Naw CoLLsos.—Meese. W. P. Smith, com-
moner of New College, and H. B. Hoare from Harrow,
have been elected to exhibitions in this society. Prorime
acassit G. B. Langstaff, from Rugby, distiaguished in
physical science. There were nearly 30 candidates.

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