The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-02-23 00:00:00

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Land at-t!le rate of 51. and 10/. a yard to make
openings; and they bvie furtherthore allowed a lar
tion of that estate to be free from taxation for ever.
from the time of Queen Anne step by step, and
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rents, large portions-of their estate fbr the bonefil 4,r1,
nationin the promotion of 'tho'commerce of, th.: co'!,;:og
The conservancy of the:river; no matter in wh
it has been, has been paid out of the funds of
ration. Landing-stages, at an out

a -rtinide; and th,

ay of not
have heel

for,not. the people. of Liver a

ountry- at laraf

F;... (Hear, ni,:ir-/ iileo
at both sides of the ,case,‘ and ler-, fol
-1. what position they will be, supPaaj„,7otle
.own 'dues are taken from us; The -'ticil
M men of anche,ter and Bolton and the o' her 01'4-riff;
around us, look with somewhat of envy on our prosPe`,oilJ
but I will ask. them do they Imagine that their ratesoeo
be decreased by having the management of thesethiet
takes from Liverpool? They will not obtain a tarp' 00'
(Hear, hear.) Or do they suppose that the Viee-`,4ter,
dent Of the Board of trade will administer the fund 1)). )
than the Corp-oration have done? (Cries' of no, °E/
am reminded by my friend Mr. Rathbone, that _ter
George's. Hall ii a sore subject with our Marieheroe
friends. (Laughter.) No -doubt they think it 'itovill
building,' and say that it has been built out of the ~ 06
dues ; but what if it be so ? (Hear, hear.) Ila';`s it,
been as much built for the country as the town ? IV- ol
not been- as much built for the Hundrell6tiOl!
West Derby and Salford, as for ' the 11,°,--10"
of Liverpool ? (Hear, hear, and cheers.) ,1" hag!
been erected for the fit accommodation of those w-n° ese
it
to administer the law
.in. this country, and if the ext. ei i$
of, its erection had .not- come out of the torski du 'the
should have 'been borne by increased taxation ° 'ell
r')
hundreds and county.' ' (ffear hear.) If the gentie the.
of Manchester had considered those circumstances, 0
would, not have delivered themselves of their bile in , d
or'
a manner as they did yesterday, and
,really•l vitti
prised by the_ newspapers, to see the nonsenie--- were
almost say the tomfoolery (laughter), of.which they "the
guilty. They set forth in their petition;in favour 0 pot
bill, that the trade and commerce of the countr.r,aslf
more especially of the district of Manchester, is injiiriofrans
affected by the dues, and they pray to be relieved s,ir
them; but supposing that the bill is passed, do the Hear,
pose that the import will be abated one farthing? (
rage,
hear.) The dues do not relieve us from any.
of our Pr ago
local burthens. We have to pay our ratesfor sew'''. Ava
for sanitary purposes, for the support of the POr'oeli
for the maintenance of the police, who protect not oral
our own property, but also the hundreds of millions " dig;
of property, which comes from the manufacturing ) '' tricts, and pasSes through the town. (Hear, hea.,,:ver'
repeat then emphatically, that the corporation' of
-,-).'00;
pool has used the town dues very largely for naticel
purposes, and in that belief, it does appear to rnese3„"f tho
possible that the legislature with the knowledge n- 005
subject which they now have, can attempt to
.pass
bill.

" .
aft°
The resolution was unanimously adopted.
vf,-.A •
111r..5.,8.. Greaves, deputy chairman of the.shll7° 0 1,::
association, proposed the second resolution.' Iles
Whentke resolution, which I have -the honour to '`,..h fir
to this meeting, is one which so clearly sets 'f')_,' Jiir
nature of the dues that are levied in this port °'';'ti°,ll,,
ping, and at the same time the rights of the corr..' the
of • this town to thoge dues, I should be freed o'o'7 ore
necessity of enlarging on it were it not that , they to
.soMe points in connection. with shipping. specri'lljrT
which I anfdesirods of calling yodr attention'partie'':, 0.0
When'the repeat of the' navigation laws took plac°,l`r;ritisll
country it was adtnittod ,that all the burthenS bil '," tiP:
ships should be removed; and to a great •exten'thell'
'adMiSsion has beeri carried out. ' But there are bariraJ43(
of a particular nature still remaining to fetter t.„1',13,,,rjr:°,.„
of our ports, and to which the attention of the -047-Tle'a,
Trade, has been repeatedly called; and had'-;thy
president- of the Board of Trade come forwarcr ' 0.01, measure for relieving the shipping of this .carriitqol lie.
the burthens of the. consular ' systern"---(cheers)—','„ JO come forward, following in the footsteps of Fro,' ',.01
Amer,to, change the4lights of this country and t°,!iiao them upon thd cbMolidated:fund, I should then bo ''',l,:,;•oP'
to believe in his good intentions to follow in' tiro foc''
,iii*f
Of recent legislation. (Hear, hear-) But; no, sir, I.is', oar
repeated:claims for redresS, 'he has gofup
-to the ,clamours of a few 'individuals—heedle,',:ri '''
ante of_hisown,'arid a grievance,which I may sap fl„l°Ty'it;.tte'
has never iieen coin on, the part of the s,--tj',l,,—; 1
of this- country,- whom it. is now pretfAlrcb‘ al
relieve.l`!(cries of hear; hear.) lie prepose—to 0,4 by the local dues on s-hipping bill the collectioryir
Coen
n dues in'the 'corpoiation, and to place them' IA
o her -Majesty's. eiistorn, ultimately: to rert,, IN Of the Warrior trade; - who rnav, havin-' 95
''owes over them, by.an order in council,
~'
• alloea.te them to any purpose' ib4tlcii!
) lam sure that we shall' be. told - v
`ssatisfied; grumbling, ungrateful er,',z,iw
d, pet t).'
.-, tl5
we, as shipowners, sit here uninindfUl of our own 1.;,,.,•-e,,;
and ignorant of measures that areoffered• to Ali' iii;71..,1'
good, and say that we consider.this bill; which I
041,x;
my hand, to be nothing more nor- less. than 0 n.' ~Lr (Hear, 4ear, and laughter.) -I do not state this sixr'bair_c
my own Opinion. The shipowners of this por',,,aore,:
unanimously rasorded'their dish royal of this Ith",,„por
and they have
_hither declared their intention to "
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them,
.0
(Hear, fi
are a most di

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the
ash

columns. 3
Holt, on rising to second the,rqt
caved. He said : Mr. Mayor, it
t.3„Plice
to me that in the bill that is now proposed by t!'toro
President of the Board of 'Linde there is a direct n'the
as it were, on the great municipal institutions u aria
country (hear, hear)—an invasion of those riglliceta
privileges which in all times have been of great ler'olici;
the promotion of freedom, and of an enlightened Pfrabli
and though it may be objected that they are 1093,40;
thav keep their light shining in a narrow oortin3' give
still that is a reason in' my mind why they Mlle it'
identity, and force, rather than
,dissipate and dilv,e3d
which would result from larger expansion. (Hear, 100
The example that has been set, and the self-gover,.,l/00
that has arisen from municipal institutions, Ivhettle` a ill
be regarded as they exist in boroughs, in parishes,n-ther
vestries, for self-taxation and the management of free
matters, have been the foundation of much of lilectef•
thought and independence of rthe English ellnriltoll
(Hear, hear.) Historians in all times, and comme%ol6(
upon our social and political position, have 3.• o'
regarded these municipal institutions as the foundati
1h
much of the civil and religious freedom, and alsn°
It ig'
commercial freedom, which exist amongst us ; 0",,,i"„t op'
because of this view , and of this consideration lo;frerA
feels alarmed when he sees a direct attack cominrbogi
the ministry, upon the rights and fundi of a public pc'.
which have applied them as much for national x,wisg
purposes. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) I say it is slat and
when we See statesmen thus making such attacks (rt+
lie property ; and in the words of the resolutien, 1 hate
astonished at the introduction of such a bill as sce,itioo
met to protest against. (Hear, hear.) As 0ur,.13? (;311/
sets forth, our right to the town dues has been le-"after
derived. Over and over again have investigation_ AO
investigation taken place upon them in courts of la"'tt4
over Land over again have they decided 30n
your,dues have all the abiding rights of propertY;t
under those circumstances which of us would ri°o9,
satisfied to rest his property and claims on the assure
and decisions given by courts of law? (Hear, hea,r)
will not presume to say that Parliament taken
largest sense—the King, Lords, and Commons-1115'006
in their discretion interfere with public property "tpef
degree, but it is quite impossible to conceive how or i 0
could deal with it unless it were to correct abuses, yet
the event of its mal.administration. (Hear, hear.) asee
us then look into the position of the town dues, 01,00
how both they and the municipal propertygenerallY ' ft I
been administered by the corporation of Liverpool'oter
the midst of this commercial town stands the doeles the -
and let it be borne in mind that it belongs, not
public of Liverpool but to the nation at large, and„)-tb9,
is in that spirit and belief that it is managed u:Jecill'
trustees. (Hear, hear.) There is no benefit or SP,epr
interest belonging to the people of Liverpool in the &tate'
nor do they derive any revenue from
.that large r 5 ea.
(Hear, hear.) Let it be:understood that it is admillis,':ors
for national not local purposes, and that the r tete
levied for the purpose of their maintenance, and the
tbe
sion of improvements, and all that can be useful l',)r„rld'
*hole,commerce of the country, and of the wide I'i-if tO
And how have we used those town dues but larT'edie
promote the efficiency of the docks ? (Hear, he mf „jot
servatoes are appointed for the pr .'nervation of flo
Ucdh
in a safe and navigable condition—a work as 00
national as local—arid how is that expense born.) I}ll/0
the town dues? Look again at the necessary ikte'
which must always exist between the the,,
been nrovided hv th
town, country, , railway stations, and canals.•
various outlets and
ig inlets necessary for that purr;•s" treed
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