The Express.
London, England, 1857-07-17 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 17, 1857.

Mr. V. SMITH said he believed it was substantial, cor-
rect that Mr. Colville lamed a proclamation which, however,
had been immediately disapproved of by the Governor-
Oenoral of India, and soother issued recalling that procla-
mation of Mr. Colville. He had not heard, however, that
Mr. Colville resigned in consequence, and as Mr. Mlle
had shown great doetsion and judgment, except on this single
OCCIII4OII, be hopid the Fast Ladle Company would not bet
the Immeet of his services. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. VANSITTA HT said he wsa ready to give tho right
hon. gentleman his authority.

I thwation of independence _ by the United Staten of Aca.
The noble lord had denuded India of her forces, and bymeri , went I
dean and foresight—by that sort of rubor. which constant
success engeodere—he had withdrawn bee defences to make
war elsewhere. _ (Hear, hear.) He brought them resolutions
forward in the full knowledge of their forte and importance,
and in spite of the flood of vituperation and sarcasm which
they would ripen hint to. Having before him his duty,
SS a representative of the people of England, be could
not allow this warden to pus without moving
the house to affirm the following resolutions, viz.
That tho war with Persia wes declared, pretecuted, and
concluded, without information of such traneactione bring
communicated to parliament ; while expensive armemente
were equipped without the unction of • vote of this house.
' That it is the opinion of this house that such conduct tends
to weaken its jut authority, and to diepense with its
constitutional control our the Manors of the country,
and renders it requisite for this home to express its strong
of such a emus of proceeding."
VrbiltlßTON receded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
expedition to Karuk In 1838 was not preceded by a comm.
aged= to parliament. Lord Auckland made a declaration
with rupeet to the war in Affghanistan, which was after-
wards adverted to in the 'pouch from the throne, lea no
special communication wee mode to parliament, and yet this
ones preeieely a parallel case ton the present. But suppose the
course suggewed had been adopted, what benefit would it
have produced ? They could not have been called upon to
vote any money, because the expenses, in the fret
instance, were defrayed by the Indian tromury. Beyond
their simply informing parliament that the es anon
bed been undertaken, no practical step could have
,tie by the government. The declaration of the Indian
tnent wee made public at the time, and therefore the
of dealartng war was known to the people of this country.
What more could they have learnt heti parliament been
celled together I' There could be no doubt AA to the power of
the flovernor Weigel to du Me war without any previous
communication with perliainent. Wellealey's wars were
begun, continued, and ended without any communication
whatever to this home; but in the use of this war,
distinct mention was made of it in her Majesty's
speech at the beginning of the beet session. Prac-
tically parliament could not take cognisance of the
matter at an earlier period ; it was referred to in the
speech from the throne at the opening of the last en-
gem, and it would have boon competent for the house to vote
an address for informatien on the subvert ; but no such ad lieu
was moved, nor had any motion beer made upon it until now,
although the paper had been rime time on the table.
He was molly, therefore, at a bee to know how the
hen. and learned gentleman, looking at the prurient of pre-
Vies, practice, or looking at the crestitutiotial reaeons of the
we, could mitintein that any irregsderity bad been com-
mitted, or that the mealiest disrespect towards parliament
had been evinced. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. NISBET, speaking from experience, advised the
government to take instant mutants to improve the consti-
tution of our Indian army, partietlarly by abolishing the
practice of employing military olizers in discharging civil
duties.

Mr. ft. 11A11.1.1E took except= to most of the step
taken by the government in referents, to the Persian war.
He should vote fur the roplutions.

Lord BC ItY felt himself unable to give thin motion the
support of his vote, bemuse be felt that, at the prevent time,
while the state of stairs in India wee so unfavourable, it wu
above alltbinguder.irable that the pastige and authority of the
government should not be weskenid by an adverse majority
in that house. But he concurred revertheless almost entirely
in the speeches which had been aidressed to the house, and
ho would even go to the mgth of paying, that
our official ocoitsumeations with .service had in all times been
the fertile source of disputes and Id% ulties.
. .

Mr. DANBY SEYMOUIt untended that her Majesty's t
government had taken the beat ceps possible for bringing the i
war to a satisfactory conclusion.
Mr. WILLOUGHBY oonaiclered that S. to the policy of
the war, the preeent goverment was only following out the
policy of it. pmlueseers, and :hat on the tmeetion of policy
the hoe. member fur Inversive had answered himielf when I
he mid that Persia woe unable to resist the power of Buena.
Sir F. WILLIAMS self that for the lea ten years ho
bad been clesely mind tip with, and obeervant of the affairs
of Pen* and ho could assure the house that throughout
the whole country the meet favourite topic of discussion was 1
a comparison between the military power of Russia sad •
the naval strength of England, with a view of rake-
Wing the probabilities of a Ituseien invasion of India. •
That probability was everywhere inenteted by Russian
fermata, who said it meld be done step by kepi, and that the
Ent step would be to obtain pommeon of Heat. (Hear,
bear.) Agau, after the capture of Kars, he (Sir F. Wil-
liams) went se • ceptive into Buena, and there se in Persia
be found the invasion of India through Pereia to be the uni-
versal and fermate topic. Under them eireunietenees, he
was firmly convinced of the policy of the Persian war. With
regime to tie expeditein to the Persian Gulf,
which had been eepecially arraneed' in his pinion
It was the lest move ever made by England. For
ten yea., to obtain Mohommerah from the Turk•
for the Peniane had been the object of emeelem
negotiations, and therefore it niietit be inferred that to the
latter people the place was of great value. It we. mid that
the finger of Russia was seen in the capture of Herat, and in
the cum way it might be mid that the linger of England was
seen at Muhammereh, and the bowie might depend upon it
that fur one hundred years to come its epeody capture weald
not be forgotten 17 the Persiene. (Ileer, hear.) It was
said that the Persians would nut give up Herat. He I
should like to see there retain it—(s laugh)—as we should
retain elohamtnerah, which. being mated on an embouchure I
of the gulf, wall the great entrepet of their trade. He men.
Honed these circumstances to justify the piliey of the war, i
and to show how successful and else had been the negotia. I
Cone for pesos..
Mr. 'NOON mid that the real question wee whether the
government had been justified in making war end concluding
pess wit heel any reference to the constitutional control of that
home over the finances of the country. He traded that I
the house would not be led away by historical disquisitions
form a question which must be vital to every men who
vetoed the privileges and dignity of the Howie of Commons.
Mr. SHERIDAN would veto for the amendment relay
because ho comidered that government had acted mooned-
tutiocally in going to war and cineluding peace without any
intervening ceneultatiou with that house.
lead J. RUSSELL—There are two gun:inns before the I
house, both of which have been diccusse•l with greet '
celounese ; end I, fee one, do not wish Ito rite '
the tons a the discussion. One of the questions
rand ley the hon. and learned member fur Sheffield referred '
to the control of this bowie over the finances of the country,
the other is the policy of the Pereico war. With regard to
the first of these glaciations the gentle:elm who epoke tart, and
several who puertol him, end even the hon. end learned
member for Sheffield himself, who spoke with PO much ability
on the quation, have a little overlooked the prelim tette of
the cam. (Hear, bear.) With regard to the delay in the
wodaction of the pawn, I mute ray, that from
Felguary until that psodurtion, the hewer Melt was
a consenting party. As earn as partite:teat metcommune a-
times took pine between Lord Cowley and Frrukh Khan,
which became the basis of neptiatious, and it then bream a
question with the ministry whether it would be conducive to
the coerces of those negottatiom to prodvee at that time
papers explanatory of the climes of the Persian war. It was
their opinion that the production of the papers would em-
bolism the negotiations, but any member might have
made a motion for their production, and if sue-
oesaul, the papers would no doubt have been
produced. (Hear. hear.) It was wisdom, in my opinion,
in the house to refrain, and that accounts for the whole period
fees tho beginning of the reenion down to the airman» of
the treaty of peace. It may be said that they pushed reserve
too far in not producing the papers until the emety had been
ratified, but every one knows that when that tea place the
home wee menaced with diesolution, end that every ono was
thinking more of the elections titan of the treaty with
Pena ; and it mast be admitted that the mo-
ment the treaty was nail. I, the papers were
produced. This expletine the great r portion of the delay;
but with regard to the forroir portion, I du n d think that
minister. were altogether just:tied In not calling parliament
together at an earlier period. I do not thiuk that when
orders were first despatched to Bombay, it would havo been
wise to puhlieh our intentions by a discussion in parliament;
but when the let of November MOW round, and the
Governor General of India hod by their desire declared war,
I think it would have been right to rime down to
parliament with explanations. lint when I reflect
that this is the month of July, sod that the
delay complained of took place some weeks before the
3rd of February, I cannot think llio charge en grave as
to justify the house in coming toe resolution. (Meer, Mar.)
With reepect to the second question ratted, namely, the ne.
mitietiiine' I own I emu.d see that it is at all provgd that we
might not have had as good a convention as we have obtained
without any decimation of war. ((ear.) Lord Clarendon
repeatedly detlered that the sine qua non of negotiation weethe
diem:nal of the Penian l'rime Minister, a moat extraordinary
demand, lot one that was not perreverod in. (Hear, hear.)
If that demand hod not been pressed, Lord Stretfonl had in
his lends a remplete compliance with all the demands then
made, a compliance fully an complete, an the hon. member
fur Itvernees had proved, es that which bad been attained as
the result of the war. (Hear, here) I cannot but think, on
this part of the subject, that bee Majesty's government
were not jutrifled In going to war without =
thoroughly 'abetted that the objects which they
emerald to the honour and inteTesta of the country
could not be obtained without it. It has been said that all
means of negotiation were in the first instance exhausted,
but he did not prove hls assertion, nor is it to be proved out
of the papas. A pliant friend of mine says he found on
the frontiers of Persia and Ronda much speculation as to a
Ruseian invasion of India, and on that ground he justified
our policy towards Persia. I mast say I never knew a aborts".
cut in lee then that taken by my hon. and gallant friend. I
am quite ready to admit all he same( his own authority, as
it would be
the
very natural eubjeet for petard thoorste to
=elate, on h,ewfusture destinies of Engtlatcurd anpodultcymex; buts