The Express.
London, England, 1850-08-02 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 2, 1850.

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mastaat the ineniiry, which nhebited Mr. O'Connor's, glAritletierketretatoodeme. leer
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rowed the rabbis many fee billow eff timedut mite! be C LLOR of oho EXCHEQUER repliel.
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_HUME Owe tenburay to • the tharaistor of Ma Winch, het hit had taken eilleisat to waver It. .
stmevnb. The vote wee than sewed to.
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BRITISH DEMANDS O\ TUSCANY. HARBOURS OF REFUGE.
Legilfilyas te Mr. Rosh, -The seri nee wee for 151,1001., tee enewisetheglutheass
t PALMERSTON stated that the anent of the of refuge et Herwieb, Dew, the Chinni Islands, mid
Wskims open the goverment of Tawny shoot Portland.
hillblerght diftpinder and destruction of pro- Mr. THORBPX —thig- Mc& wry Jain ham.
ragsweaminea ti hems* bekoipiag to British subjeets by sad be Ina Oil 111111 ft wen pinpridee votes waist thti
to the Antrim army, who entered the ken, amanntheigahnithilthi 'puma.
hewn aftarbirtlheen takes by storm. Negotiation ware Mc HUME thin" With* signeithes to be appointed on
/du woriesing. sad It wee expoetod that the claim memjd this vet. Re ammo the hewn net to vote any part of this
'nay Away be satid'd. money. He tea tie triable ea no ever Is Guarino} sad
LAND TAX. Alderney, to look at these Urbino& At Alderney he was
' In reply to Mr. Wowthoon, pet fortunate, for he was a few hams alter the Chan-
The CHANCELLOR if the EXCHEQUER said that eellor of the Ezekequer. The Climeislior stayed two or
whaler land tax was fleet imposed, it was laid equally Oa three boon, but he (Mr. Hem) shorn long enoerti to
aides paemb.l the kingdom, but by lapse of time, and finable him to see the works at high and low tide, and if
thee shags in the value et properly, it had be- the Chancellor of the Exasquer had used, at he had
Nar=y august It wee not at pretest the intention of the done, at Catherine's Bay, he must have wet to the conelu-
to Wing in say measure to remedy the inequality. sion that • more useless expense was never Incurred.
=ll= to the mend point an application had bees made There was • girdle of rocks all round, and it wee absurd
'tithe Court of Beekman' the result of which he was not to expect that • ship, running for refuge into that harbour,
lawns el, bat he believed 'there woe a remedy, to • certain was an occurrent which would take plate more than once
=We at premise is 20 years. Oa two ceasing a mansitiersble onion of the
THE RANELAGH SEWER. pier of Si. Catherine's Bay had ben knocked down ; he
Mr. B. OSBORNE inquired whether it was intended to wished to know to what extent it was intended to repair it.
newer over this sewer, in order to put an end to the nuisance The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was
which its pettiest exposed state weasioned. sorry he had not had the pleasure of meeting his lion. friend on
Viscous' BBRINGTON admitted the nuisance, but said the spot. He wee mistaken in supposing that the north pier
the sewer had been an open ditch for more than • century. of St. Catheristes Ray had ben washed away • it was the
Seeing that • plan was is preparation to deal with the north pier at Alderney, the western arm of which had been
whole friths sewage between China and Vauxhall, he did destroyed by a violent storm. Reports had been mule in
not think, as • temporary remedy, it would he desirable to favour of these works by very eminent engineers, as well as
Wear the expense of covering over the ditch in question, naval and milirary officers. It would not be advantareous to
which in many places was 20 lest wide. stop altogether the works on the northern arm ; but they
PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND). would be proceeded with exasedingly slowly.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE appeared at the bar, and reported Mr. HUME wished to know if any fresh authority or
that having requested *conference on the part of the Co.- reason had been given for prosecuting those works; for it
as.. with the Lowe, on the amendments to this bill, their was clear that the COeninilaiOaers who bad given evidence
hrithips had agreed to the same, and appointed it to take before the select committee en the navy estimates were panic
plea forthwith in the Royal Gallery. Manager* were then struck ; sad he was sorry that the Duke of Wellington
appointed, and proeseded Lu the couhrume. appearet to have lent himself to all these alarms. He could
Oa their return, and no authority for the works that had been executed. He
Sir W. SOMERVILLE reported that the Cowman had hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would take another
Mated their reasons as the conference fer objec•ing to the ?hit to Moppet- He (Mr. Rowe) would 'meet hlel
Lords' amendinents,and that they had left the bill and the with a jury, If he chore, whose verdict would satisfy him
amendments with their lordship. that the whole thing was isawiesesare. While retrenchment
RAMSOATE AND MARGATE HARBOURS. was gong on in story department at home it wee most pain-
ts reply to Sir 0. PaCHILL, ful to see this lavish expeoditure.
Mr. MACKINNON stated that the committee had deter The vote was then agreed to, as was the following
gibed on doing away with the dues at It engem harbour on 43,0001- for salaries and espouse of her Majesty's Privy
foreign and English shipping, but that it was not their in. Omni', and the committie of pr.vy calmed fur trade.
tonna in the present cession to interfere with Dover kar. The next vote wee--
boor. 3,6401., • portion of the expenses of the Ectinsatical
Conteniesioaers for England.
Sir D. HALL said that, whatever support he might have,
he should certainly take the sense of toe house on this vote.
(Hear, hear.) It was useless for elm togo into the question
of the composition of the oommi•sion. which had bees re-
peatedly discussed ; bat he contended that the com-
missioners did nut deserve any grant whatever ,from that
house. (Hear, hear.)
Sir 0. GREY said the returns were yet imperfect, but he
proposed to lay before parliament thcee wb ch hid beea
received from different quarters, with a statement of the
reason why they had not come from other quarters. S mewl
of the bishops stated that the y had not the means of compel-
ling returns from the different members of the chapters; and
he feared it would be necessary to men an order for the
returns cm those individual members. As far as these rehires
bad come in, they should be presented be ore the session
closed ; bat he benign to say it was act ths
commission that bad to make then.
Mr. HUME contended that the • xpellefe of the commis-
sion ought to be paid out of the church property. By voting
them out of the public funds tl.ey were paying so much more
towards the maintenance of the church. (Hear, hear )
Lord J. RUSSELL said the hun. gentleman wee mistaken
on that point. The church had not objected to continue to
?none its property as it had tormerly done, but the state
had napped to, and wished a different distribution of church
property to be made—that the incomes of the deans and
chapters of cathedrals and of various prebends should be
differently distributed for the good of the public at large.
When the prime minister of the time proposed the change,
the chief prelates of the church very naturally said—
"lf the church property is to be distributed more
generally for the benefit of the public, bat Vis
expense of making that thongs be at the charge
of the state ; otherwise you will take from the church
that which it now pos•inges. and will apply to the purpose of
th's change funds which are devoted to the support of those
who are cormecteet with the religious instruction of the
country." Teat was • very fair argument; and had the
house been satisfied that the chinch property should be die-
tributs d as it bad formerly been, they would have heard
nothing of that vote.
Sir B. HALL dissented from the doctrine of the noble
lord, the it they, the members of the church, desired
better distribution of the church's r venues, psrliament was
to pay fur it. He contended that the properly of the church
belonged to them as members of the community ; and it was
urjust that the public should be taxed fur obtaining a better
distribution of that property, and for correcting the great
abuses wiich had existed under the dignitaries of the
church. (Hear, hear.) He protested MbiLlt this vote,
whether it was to be an annual one or only occasional;
and he would certainly divide the house against it. (Hear,
hear.)
The committee then divided.
For the vote

BARON DE ROTHSCHILD.
Mr. ANS MY begged to ask Ma noble lord at the head
of the government why he had not laid upon the table of the
house that morning the resolutirnt in ben of %Ills, negatived
on Tuesday, relative to the admiseior. of Bayou Rrtswehild

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to whereon ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he bad that morning stated,
in reply to a question put by the ',hoe. baronet ;the memb'r
for Maryleba. (Sir B. Hall). that the neolations would
be laid open the table at five o'clock, or daring the sitting
of the house that evening, in order that they might be den
livered to members to•monow musing. They were not asl
yet exactly prepared, their wording having required cot-'
siderahle care, but they would be laid upon the table that
evening, and delivered to members tomorrow morning.
(Haar.) He trusted they would be found sufficiently clear
and explicit to obviate the necessity of hie making a public
statement relative to their purport. (Hear, bear )
Mr. ANSTBY gave notice that he would take the lease
of the bombe to-morrow on the gut stion of Baron Rothachila's
eligibility to take his seat in perliameat. This notice of
motion, he *bound, was for 12 o'clock en-morrow.
Mr. Goalbern, Mr. Aostal. Lord J. Hassell, Mr. Home,
Mr. Abel Smith, sad Sir B Hall severally requested the
hon. member for Youghel to withdraw Lis smile* of motion,
sad not to disturb the existing erring, meat as to the resump-
tion of the debate oa MoneLy.
Mr. ANSTET sal the difecul,y was this, that the noble
lord at the bead of the government persis.ed in refusing to
give We purport of his re•olstious. (" Oh.") Perhaps the
resolatiors would be so wordrd that they would tot originate
any discussion ; and if so, could not the noble lord Low state
their substance ?

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Against it
The text rots was 7,9461., the chirp of thu tidies of the
cummisaione re of r4lways.
Colonel SlBThOltr was understood to denounce the vote
as sonecessaiy.
In answer to Mr. Hoses,
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the select committee had m-
ccmmerd d that the railway commiaiiionen should be merited
in the Board of Trade ; hut to carry that out would require
an act of par:lament. All be could promise was that during
t►e recess the subject should be !nil, considered.
Vote agreed to.
Oo the next vote-37,6061. for the board of public works
In Ireland,
Mr. H. HERBERT said ho wished to call at' ention to
the system of 'elus•ion of land in Ireland. The declared
'Eject of the vatnetion act had been to °Amin uniformity ;
and this object was n•iw much more dee:Table, as the new
franchise wee founded on a particular valuation. No time
ought to be lost in ensuring that that valuation should be
uniform. _ . _

Mr. REYNOLDS said that no public department in Ire-
land required •cl *sr inepeetion or a more thorough over-
hauling than the Board of Weeks. It bad squandered more
money, either by ignorance or extravagance, than any other
department. There was an item of 2,4001. to cover the ex.
pens of the solicitor for Celli.. &c., besides 6001 a year for
• secretary. Two years ego Mr Walker filled this office
most efficiently ; he was superseded to make way foe the eon.
in-law or nephew of Colonel Joese, the chief commissioner,
and Walker was now riding • blood hone through the
streets of Dublin, on a retired pension of 3701. a year. The
reason stated for his being pensioned was adjustment in the
aka," which he understood to mean the arrangement to
provide foe Hornsby, the relative of Col. Jones. Walker was
discharged without a pension; but he kicked up • row in
the sewanapen, threatened to let oat the secrets of the
office, bat had been suddenly Atomised, and hag retired to
Bandy mount to enjoy his retinae cams dtpeilate. (Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EICIIkQUER said that he
regretted he did not know the hon. gentleman was going to
rotor to the eircusustesesei the appointment of Mr. Hornsby.
That took place some two years ago, and be was not then
able to recall the facts of the ease to his mind.
Mr. GROGAN did not think that the salary of 1,3001.
whkk was given to Mr. (Hindi was excessive, considering
the multsfarisiss duties while were imposed upon him.
(Hear.) He hoped that the new valuation of Ireland would
be completed as soon es possible. (Hear.)
Mr. U A. HAMILTON bore testimony to the enormous
memo! business which was thrown on the Board of Works.
(Hear, bear.)
After some discussion the vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 36.6001. for secret service money,
Colonel SIBTHORP objected to the vote as the worst of
all jobs. The mode in which the money which came out of
the pockets of the people was spent should be known to the
people. He should, therefore, move that the vote be re-
duced to 16,0005.
Mr. HUME said there might have been • time when
secret service money wee required but since the war he did
not see what necessity there was for it. (Hear.) When he
first objected to this vote he mitLiled himself that a
large proportion of the money was given in pensions to ,
Individuals who came from other places and in a variety of
ways which it was not possible to prevent. But he should
have expected that the ineumbranews would fall ;oft He
should have no objective to do sway with the vote attn-
./other, but as he believed there were incumErences up n
it, he would suggest to the hem. member to get at its ex.
tinction gradually, and to move that the vote be reduced by
10,0001. this year.
Col. SIBTHORP having assented, the motion was
altered in that view.
Mr. B. CRAWFORD said that no grant ought to be
viewed with more jealousy by the representatives of the
people than this errant Id mare& aerVioo money. (lisar,bear.)
Lord J. MANNERS called on some member of the
jgovernment to give leformation to the committee on the sub-
ect of the vote.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the vote was ore which
could not be explained. (Laughter.) Secret service money
implied that it could not be made public. (Laughter.) They
only asked for it mit former years, in order that it might be
applied to the public smoke.
Mr. SPOONER wished for some explanation as to the
reduction is the amount of the vote.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that if the hon. gentlemen was
i not added that there should be • reduction, he would be
ready to take the seine sum that was voted on former mea-
-1 done. (Laughter.)
Mr. DUNCAN said that as no explanation could be giTtg.
the poly alternative was that the House of Commons should
not gnnt the money. (Hear, hear.)
I The committee then divided:

Foe the wsndsent 44
Against it
The vote was thenreed to.
Oa the varlet 210,8 71. to defraay the expenses of printing,
bindle', and stationery for the pubis departments,
Mr. REYNOLDS wiesplained that *knit &talked re-
mised tidy 8,7401., and Ireland 19,0401., Ilitgland reotived
220,0001. under these Items. Ile believed it Ireland "other
fair proportion that 80,0002 Inured of 19,0001. wow,' 8. the
met to whists she night consider herself entitled.
Kr. C. LEWIS explained that the reason why the twat

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the
itonallrfUritrettl:Pralted SO h
Seethed weasavybiaa compared wi
eoaegaetae otl;
perliamentary printing, whisk, of sower woe performed in
Ludo,. AS regarded the order of thiLords of the Trea-
sury referred to by the hoe. gentleman, he (Mr. Lewis) was
apt aware of its fixieterme.
Mr. REYNOLDS 'aid the government printing performed
in Dublin was almost exclusively unfitted to the villas' of
the Dublin Gazette. He eould assure the helms that the
priatiacexecuted for the. Island Raussio Clams is Inland
did sot exceed in one year s& The only pablis board or
department in Ireland that gave the Irak printer fair play
was the Pat-oeice ; but Its .hoped that W. M Conga, at
**head of the printing deportment in London, would no
longer be permitted to defraud the Irish printer of his fair
abuts of labour and remuneration.
Mr. HUME said he had bees chairman of a committee
which inveetigated this matter, and ha Mend that the print
Lag for Scotland, which used to out 13,0001., could be done
in Lindoo for 4,0001. ; and se the 42.111•11'S printer for Scot-
land was got rid ft (Laughter.) As long as the different
boards and establishment*, the excise and customs, remained
intact in each country, different forms were required ; but
when ooneolidation took plea no each amuse, existed.
(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) had to complain
that the items for the National Gallery catalogue,
1001., end tie London Gazette cboot the She-
riff's Court of Scotland printing, with the register
of surgeoce, and Dublin and Edinburgh Gazettes —the former
amounting to I,4sol.—were also charged under the vote now
before the house. Now be ailed not help thinking that if
thus garottes OM published on the some principle as news.
papers, and the price et dead se as to enable the public in
general to purchase them, they would not alone pay for
themselves, but return a consid.rahl. profit. (Hear, fru.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
owing to the principle of consolidation, wider Mr. M'Cul-
Mph, a great saving had been effected. If hen. gentlemen
looked at the estimate nf the present year, they would tee
th. re wu a falling off aa compared with former years of
some 40,0001 (Hear, hear) But if they were new to set
to work and undo what they bed already done, the result
would be anything but economical. (Hear, heir)
After a few words from Mr. Hymn in explanation,
Mr. C. LEWIS said the returns pointed out the various
items under their respective heads.

Mr. NEWDEGATH conceived that house, as a legisla-
tive body, was bound to publish he enactment'. (Rear.)
What he wanted to see was lets printing, but that what
was printed should be more readily available and sooner laid
on the table.
Mr. LAIIOUCIIERE said that the delay in layingstatio
tioal details on the table bad principally arisen from the
tint* required in getting returns from our distant colonies.
However, be had made arrangements with the secretaries
for the colonic a and for foreign affairs, which would to a con-
siderahle extent prevent such delays in future.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that one defect in cur system
WAN that we had not made oar consular establishments
available in procuring returns respecting our trade. That
was the system adopted by the United State', and it had
produced admirable veldts.
Mr. V. SMITH concurred in the opioioa that all printing
arrangements should be put WOO/ one vote. The vdte had
been reduced, but it wee still capable of further reduetion.
He looked upon the suggestion. of the hon. member for War-
wiek.hire as moat valuable, but it required great caution iin
the part of the Treasury in deciding how papers properly
called instructive papers should be printed. In his opinion
that establish,' ant should pay its own expenses.
Mr. C. LEWIS said that no printing tar the government
offices could be iieeuted without authority from the Seers
tare of State, sad nob authority was given without
due inquiry. With regard to the printing for the Railway
Board. it was merely an estimate, and might not all be
expended. He would inquire respecting the printing for the
National Gallery.
Ater some conversation the vote was agreed to.

10,0001. being proposed towards the expense of erecting
on the Earthen Mound, in the City,of Edeuburah, buildings
for a *about! gallery, sad other purpose, oonnecesd there-
with, and with the promotion of fine arts in Scotland,
Mr. SMUT wished soma further information to be laid
beton the house on this *object.
fir W. 0. CILAIO wm uncLntood to say that papers had
been laid on the table.
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Mr. IJRIOIIT had not received the papers. Edinburgh
was a place where people were very competent to do these
thiests themselves. He stood up to protest ageism* this vote
on the ground t.f principle. He thought it highly wrong to
make them votes to Edinburgh or Dublin.

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Mr. HU ME observed that wine of his friends around him
were very aeaioes that the house should co,sider this to be
his job. (A laugh,) He considered it • reproach to the
country that &Aland lad not some establishment to pro-
mote the Bee arts. The City of Edinburgh had come
forward with 14,00 W. It was • grievous thing that on
• rainy day the working clung were obligen ti have
✓i
ems' to publie-houses, as the only mcssum ttey had an
opportunity of vieiting. (A laugh.)
Mr. DISRASLI asked who was responsible for the man-
ner in which this vote was proposed. It was signed
W. 0. Heyter. The language was such as was expected
to be found in an advertisement of (}.urge Robing. He was
eurprised that the Secretary of the Treuury stou:d describe
a vote in that way.
Mr. V. SMITH said that the manner in which this vote
I was proposed was most ohjectioneble. H* quite agreed
I with the hon. member for Manumit when he said that the
1 of Scotland were witting to give a certsin rum at
M ue), it we gave some. It a; peered to him tat we had
I given d:uble 'heir SUM lie thought it • fair thing that •
gallery should he erected at Ediuburgb, but he should look
fora in, further estimate. The original estimate was not the
whole of it, sad he objected to the erection of any building
o, the mound.

too little, seeing that 0,111001. sates bad been granted to the late
duke Mir the snalatenessee of hie win. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK explained. Whoa he addressed his km-
&Stunts on the occasion referred to, what he said was, that
it we absolutely Recovery that the members of the royal
family should be maintained out of the lands of the stets,
bat that he considered the vote for them extravagant untfer
the eircumetancee. Ae .0 the present duke, that he should
ape the dignity of the sovereign, could not but be exceed.
tag', mieolikeoue ; it wee far better that he should exhibit
the modesty of a private gentleman.
Mr. DISRAELI could not pass unnoticed an observation
that hon. goals/nen= that side of thepouse were influenced
rather br a love of royalty than by a regard to economy.
Hs deeply regretted that 'prima of the blood should be placed
I. the present position of his loyal highness ; but the house
mast remember that it was en set of parliament itself which
had caused him to occupy that position. (Hear, hear.)
He bad hoped that the question would never he dispensed
again, except in cues neaten with the Royal Marriage AM.
After a few word. from Mr. Roinuolf,
Mr. BRIGHT observed that not only on that aide In the
House of Commons, but out of doors generally, the opinion
was that the sons proposed was an extravegant one. With
regard to the Marriage Act, he was no party to it, and he
regarded it as one of the moat absurd and wicked sets that
had ever passed ; therefore that was no reason
why he should vote a larger sum as an allowance to the Duke
el Cambridge than he thought necessary. He doubted also
whether, if an opportunity for an advantageous 'amigo
eared, the consent of the crown would not be given.
After • few word. in explanation from Mr. Dleamthi,
Mr. ANSTEY, though not opposed to a handsome pro-
vision for the Duke of Cambridge, would move that the
chairmaa do report proves.. It was upon • totally &Livia
ground he objected to their proceeding with this b 11. He
bad waited patiently till Friday morning for;the performance
of the noble lord's promisee, and a report had recently
reached him that it was the intention of the Polite lord to
sterilise the privileges of that house and the privileges of the
electors of Locdon to the will of the House of Lords,
and that • question they had so much at heart
should be thrown over to soother session. (" Hest,"
and cries of " Question.") This was a question
of grievance—and the old constitutional rule was redress of
grievance before supply—to put the question as one of pri-
vilege, and se such he demanded that it should be dealt with
before they voted more money. The report had reached the
City that it was intended by the government to keep the
matter snug until they had got all the supplies and all the
public money they r. (paired ; and then, as the house would
have no more controt over them, they would throw over
this question, in which the whole electoral body was so
deeply interested, to ano.her year. (Hear, hear.) He
shculd object to • farthing more of the public money being
granted to the Duke of Cambridge or any other parson until
this question of privilege was settled. (Hear.)
Lord D STUART seconded the motion.
Mr. NEWDEO ATE deprecated the interruptions of pub-
lic business which the course taken by the hen. end learned
member for Youghal had occasioned, which was calculated to
delay rather than expedite the production of the resolu-
tions.
Mr. COBDEN recommended the withdrawal of the mo-
tion, suggesting that it was sufficient that the Attorui y-
General had promised them to produce the resolution., to
satisfy the house that he would do so.
Mr. WOOD wished the noble lord to state what the
resolutions were. (Divide.)
Lora J. ItUSSELL observed that the Attorney-General
would be quite ready to • :plain the usture of the resolution
as soon as the house resumed. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. SI UAIL 1' contended that his hon. and learned
(viand had a right to dentstol redress for this grievants
before voting any further supplies. (Hear.)
Mr. OOULBURN was as anxious as any hon. member to
know what the et solutions were, but he had that regard for
the regularity of their proceedings that he bad no desire to
interfere to the interruption of the business bwore the
bouts. At present the explanation required could not be
give n without a violation of the rules of the house.
Mr. HUME hoped the hon. and learned member would
not pries his motion. As they had the aseusance of the
noble lord that the resolutions would be produced as soon as
the present question was disposed of, he thought thi y had
better proceed to decide that question. There were other
votes of supply yet to cont', when the hon. and learned
member, It not satiotied would have the opportunity of
bringing forward the subject. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ANSTEY sail objected to any money being voted
while an important question of privilege was pendirg
Mr. AULIONBY hoped the bon. member for YE:lshii
would not divide, teeing that the noble lord would state the
views of her Majesty's government touching the admission
of Baron Rothschild at the earliest possible moment. Besidse,
the annuity to the Duke of Cambridge was not the last vote
of supply, therefore other opportunities would arise for
opposing the government.
Mr. B. OSBORNE glee:pressed a hope that the host.
member for Youghal would withdraw his motion.
Mr. ANSTEY then withdrew his motion.
The committee divided on Mr. Hume's amendmect that
the annuity to the Duke of Cambridge be 10,00111._

Mr.LltilliT said that on looking over this item he
foutd somethit.g which msde him think that the while of
this detail was done for the purposs of snaking th.gs plea-
s►nt iu the house. He kad had an opportunity of speaking
under tie gallery one evening with • gentleman high i.
authority inEdinburizli on this auhjict, and although he
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w understoo that the City of Elinburgh aa to give thit site
fvr this buinding ft r some 1,0001., there seemed to have been
put down a sum of 4000/. That was one point wh.ch made
him doubt the accuracy of tLe whole of this statement..

Sir W. U. CRAIG °barrel that this measure bad been
in contemplatikm for the last three or four rim.
Mr. LationT arid that in the use of lirrioCs Hospital
an act of parliament had been obtained by which a consider-
able portion of the funds hod bau n applied from the will of
the founder. There were three schools in various parts of
this city. Toe money got in this why was laid out in the
adornment of magnificent buildings, because there was no
other object upon whicn you could bestow it.
The vote was agre.d to, and the hcuse resumed.
BARON DE ROTHSCHILD.

Lord D. SIVAif was pottingaquestion respecting
their funtistr prociodings in the case of tho Biroll de
It Atm:hilt,. when

For the amendment
Against it IOS-29
In reply to Mr
Mr. F. MAULE said that no arrangement had as yet
taken place with reference to the dispotai of the coln.n.lcy
of the Coldstream Guards.

Mr. STANFORD could not think that 12,C001 a year
was too much, when the late duke died poor.
Lad J. RUSSELL said he should press the vote, having
been carried he a Turtle nistsrity.
Mr. ROEBUCK protested against the imputatioa that
those who voted tor the reduction of the vote were actuated
by hostility is the royal family.
Attar a few words from L' rd C. HAMILTON,
The vsta was agreed to.
The vote tor the Palle/as Miry wss then agreed to.
Tne CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house
resumed.
THE BARON DE RO THSCHILD.

The ATIURNEY GENERAL gave xotiee that on
Monday next he should move the tollosrina r-solutions:
" That the Baron Lionel Nathan de It ,tlischild is not
entitled to vote in this house, or to sit in this house, during
any debate, until he shall take the oath of abjuration in the
torm appointed by law." (Oh, oh.)
" That this house will, at the earliest om-4h:city in the
next session parliament, take into its serious consider/Ain
the hem of the oath LI abjuration, with a view to relieve her
Majesty's subjects prolix-inn the Jewish reliotien." (Hear )
THE EXCISE SUGAR AND LICENSES BILL.
Tots bill was read a third time.
IRK GRANT) JURY Ch.SS (IRELAND) BILL.

This bill pawed throw/It committec
REGISTRAR. OF JI.:DUSIEN IS OFFICES (IR

The SPEAKER informed Vim that he could not put the
querios until the order. of it,. ear were eispowit 01.
CHB DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE'S ANNUITY, 6co. BILL.
The house went into commttee un this bill, and on their

eoung to the consideration of the clause which proposed
Out the nisch should be filled up with 12,000 L, as the &n-
-udity to be paid to his royal higbueu,
Mr. HUME said that be lard given notice that he would
move that the blank ahould be tilled up with the sum of
8,0001, the amount which was given to the Duke el
Oloucoster when he was placed in a similar po,itioe.
Mr. ROEBUCK wished to suggest one causide ration to
his boa. tru.d, the member for 11 oi.rose, and asked him to
consider why this royal duke should have such a both sum
He quite acknowledgsd that es long as they had a royal
family there should be an adequate provision for • certain
portion of them ; but it was a matter of very greet import-
ance to know when individuals connected with thio, family
should cease to have a claim. Now, 10,000/ was a very large
sum of money ; sad they ought to recollect that th. late Duke
of Cambridge, while he lived, had from the country altoge-
ther a sum amounting to Intwes n 40,0001 and 60,0001 a year.
Mr. HUME—lndependent of his regiment.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Yes, independent of that. The late
dabs died, and 3,0001. • year was left to each of his
daughters, and 6,0001. • you went to Ms widow, and both
these sums, together with the 12 0001. which was now pro.
posed for the Duke of Cambridge, would make the sum of
24,0001. as a provision for his royal highneu's family. Now
let them recolleot that her Majesty the Queen had been so
fruitful as to produce to the country several children, every
one of whom would have the same claim, and they
would have • multipl:cation of applications for grants of this
description. Now he wanted to know where were Sees appli-
cations toted. What he proposed was, that these princes
should be supportedWn that sort of decent splend..ur which
was compstible with their situation. What befell was that
they ought nett to begin by cutting down these incomes to
the lowest deifies possible, and he would propose that the
sum of 6,0001. be put to fill up th blank.
Mr. W. BROWN soil that he could not agree that so large
• sum se 12.0011. was seeessary to support the dignity of the
Deka of Cambridge. lie would give his vote against the
10.0001. and in favour of the 5,0001.
Mr. ROEBUCK wished to know wl y the sum should
be more than he proposed. The ministers of the crown
had 6,0001 a year, and the Judges had only 6,000/. a year
Every moment of the time of those men was devoted to
public budness, and there was net a moment in which they
were not occupied for the benefit of the public.
Mr. AOLIONBY said that he did not a e any mason why
6,0001. should nut be considered sufficient, but yet he could
aot see what good practical result could follow the motion
which had been made by the hon. and learned member for
Suffield, whin they remembered that those who voted for
8,0001. had been beaten by a large majority, by those who
were more for royalty than for economy. (Criss of" No, um")
What, did not the bon gentlemen who cried " No," beat
them ? (Cries of "Yes.") Well, then, if they voted for
12,0001 instead of 8,0001. they were not in favour of economy.
If the hon. member for Sheffield pressed fora division on
his modes, he should Vote for the 6,0001. (Hear )
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was very difficult to raise
any araument on the question whether the sum of 6,0001. or
12,0001. was the proper sum. lion. gentlemen Rut judge
for themselves what they thought a prices of the royal
family required for the honourable maintenance of
his dignity, and should consider what was the
position and what were the demands of °then,
who got four or five times that amount. He confessed that
the eum of 12,0001 a year appeared to him more fit foe
the purpose than the sum of 6,0001. proposed by the hon.
and learned gentleman.
Mr. V. SMITH said tkat, after taking into coneiderelon
his royal highness's position, and the necessities of the nubile,
he hod previously supported the motion of the hon. member
kW Montrose, and if. the hon. member had prop seed that
amount &gabs, he would again have voted for it. He
eleiected to the prop al of the hon. and learned member
(Mr. Ito. buck), and he was rather surprised at his making
it, considering that la a speech at Suffield, the hon. and
learned member had formerlyshld the manliness to support
the allowance to the Cambridge famlly. 6,0001. wee evidently