The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-18 00:00:00

EDUCATION BILL.

Os the atooke ;IN woad reading
of Ibis bill.

—Me. A. S ['AFFORD rose, pursuant to notice, to seer as
IS um ndoleat that the bill be read a second time num this
day six mouths. There was no member in the boar and
Sew is the e, retry who would net acknowledp the import-
sae sad dillaulty of the seihket, and all who bore in mind
what fell hem the noble lord at the head of the government
and what fell trots the hon. member for the emir, retry el
Cartridge must consider that the hones had remitted is
no hither than to the reingaition of the importance of
the subject. Reference had been made, as a former ore
ion, to the deficiency of education; bet he would state the
moditioa of *decade is Ms immediate neighborhood. No
statistical iaformation could be relied on, except through the
medium of parliamentary esters., end he foetid it stated, nal
to his neichboartmed, that the education of the ctildrint was
undertekee, bat the arahete of those children did not ap-
pear. In his village the whole .0 the children were edu-
cated by the proprietors of the land, without exposes to
the poor people, but their education did not appear is
say Oficial return. In the parish of Bleckner, Lady
Carbery alerted the whole of the ehldrea • bat in • radio.
of twelve miles reload where he resided, the enl state of toe
population se to Weirdo° was not mentioned in say pr
=weary re ern. The children were also edacated aet the
expense of tile Red sad Countess of Exeter, Lord Cardigan,
Mr. Watts Rea all, his clergies the member for Northrop
tonshire (Mr. Mausselp, Mr. Rebind Water, sad the Duke
of Baecleagh. (Hear, hear.) This was • state of educate's
in a strictly natal district. He did not gash to coatrovert
the proposition. which was lamentably incontrovertible, that
the state of educating was not each in England as ought to
satisfy these who, on prudential pounds, thought that the
education et pr.seat existing wan not compatible with the
prosperity or safety debts great kingdom. Two main points
presented themselves to the maid of every parrs when they
eras to CalallOOT how this evil was to be met : first
of all, that relation to religious convictions, which
might not to be yielded, Yd, in the next place
too great • state laterferesee, lavolviag all the evil;
of centralisation. The hoe. member for Oldham completely
trampled spa the two rules which he had laid down. lie
opposed the protest bill, because be believed, in the first
place, it grossly violated and cruelly trampled upon the
rights of coandene• and he opposed this bill in the second
place, became it directly led to all the very worst evils of the
most unjust osatralisatioa. As to the viel Won of the rights
of competence, be asked the hon. palletise, there having bees
some difficulty duriag the diseassioo with regard to the del-
Nation of education, why he eatirely avoided the de faiths
of the epithet which was in the title of the bill? Why he
avoided an explanation of what was meant by the word
" secular ?" Let him tell him what the great body of the
people believed to be the religion of this country—(hese)
—and in spite of the cheers of the hats. 'endure eppe
the time was coins when it must be told to the house, that
the people of Ragland, as he firmly believed, would fix to this
proposition, a stronger epithet, if not the term atheistic. There
was • stroag Meting is the realty order the system of
secular 'dustier to the ezelesiea of religious teaching, mad
he believed that es member is the home would stead up
and seatesdie that assertion. It would be idle to allude
as the Hattnal Sicgty as representing the north party ;
so one would be bold enough to say the church wee is
favour of secular education. The church was entirely op
posed to the meant scheme. There was a remarkable ab-
stinence, is the speech of the hon. member, of any allusion
to the other great society. Why did he not allude to the
voluminous documents of the British and lonise Society ?
He would Lot be able to end a passage in any of these
papers which did not oppose his pre. at plan. It wee said
thr there was a body of nes belonging to other societies
who were still in favour of the plan, bet the enottery age
peered from the Crosby -hall lecture in 1848, who it was
and that " to educate the people detached from Christianity
were impossible. Bait wee something more thanmatter;
he wee a spiritual being. Lay attempt to alerts kin,
is,. religionely, was a mockery and is insult. They raid
not sorer the education of • Ma wiliest • an-
*teat speed to the Deity." The position he took
up was this, that no USA voila( for this bill
after the exhibition of public feeling, scald Vans to be the
Mead of religious liberty, because the bill aged act mimeo
a stip further name *analog "plains whisk had ma-
steady been pat known. He asked any hoe. gestlemen
onmened win allneiden who kad at all any needed ex-
penses in slasetion. to nil Ms what sees of • eskonsaster
weld mann to piste lismall amino Ilse disposal
of a esnankan nesse, every year, by the whole
of the einginan et the parish. He seen set CealpeiVe
a ahaelles info illetageful to a religiose man, net keowing
whet asenpfpa MIME might be raised from year te year.
Beery dgy infeneaate nes was smiled to serve two
bedlam ; ace wee to be einaged every year, sad the nurses
IMO that Is popaleee /bents this 'nasal guano would
give rise so perry Isalfag, end the schoolmaster most safer
autoyenesse 'men he altered the ample:in sad minus of
the season This bill was called • bill to promote the Heeler
edecatioa of the people la Ragland and W else, bet neither
lad the hes. member told the lean the meanest of the
weeds " secular einenise," we why the bill wee to seg,
there. Here we had a bill Lathing a meat important ems.
Sea, from whisk Illaddand an Ireland Were excluded. Let'
so ms say this bitst ad resembled the ease of the NAnal
Beard la loW. Tie hon. (oedemas was 'mini, se
to the Brink sad Panne Baud Sesion, sad as to satienal
edsuallea he eslegised est plea whisk be thought worthy of
smeared's. sad that was the plea lee the establishabeet ef
• gesseal ef esealar anosatiss ia Leseaster. The
ebens the asesszlos ef el
with ease-
fieggsd the agendum of the Isere to the way la
whisk theme 1.4111118 a prermisel to deal with that queause,
Dormthe apnea they peeping is 'goblin. They were to
• est el preset* whiten ref/ream to the panty their
logiell soft of say salgisee sect. For the purpose of
soaking Ibis ensens, • mmosittee was to be b:
the anon hosed, esosisd na oa et aims nd two of
wham armlet he mann of the sum religiose
tie., Wks* arm wise deism to mesh 11.6111111118 IS I was
It seta sign that they were attempting ea I
tleaY they out have memo forward at ease
_mod odd, we
will set regnant ineyeens which shall Wind* reforms*
to weather world This we. sot a poem quoin ; itwas
higher ern ikon • segional quelies. The people of Hag.
lead would feel that their moodiest ea this tome ion would be
watched throughout all Christiana§ ; the more necessary
was it lag their fillinelf lad TM IS this home to do pastier
to their onstitagna by titled/ rejecting the proicA sow
before them.

The Rai of ARUNDIL and SURREY se•:ondad the
Ilnetion *Melt has boss rich by his hos. Mead. This hal
=aft Inafsgiaded ea am of two ptiaciplos—sither thateemlee
edeeadeis was more valuable than religious education, or
that wasslor niantiost was =nut to load to religious educe.
ties. The Ant premonition would not he main•-alanl ; no
IMO would sty that the education which IWO to et
him fee this life was more valuable than that
w►h► would qualify him for 'Wait,. As to the
mead proponliqa, that molar education was eakulated
to hod to 11111/1011, all proof lid us the ouatrary. A
man born iatn trio world, sod surrounded by all tle ties
of sataiel affection', end anything around bin to draw
Wm to th- earth, was fond mon lately to attend to dons
this to religion. That, under the priest", wae what the

Roma catholic 'Aura had noted ; they 1'841'016856d Its
fool results, sad they bad nu teem realleeL— In proof of
this emotion he reed extracts pm,* worth ello&siag, •
presbyteries traveller, well ksovaces mention ed the
mese. He might be told Wen ad eel' . too
firmly booed far es to fear er 'M this
trms: t ft
wu his palatal ditty. w . le had L not Impeded
upon himself without ' Jo rut einseo a
worts of • highly in n agneft, non*. theme&
into this enemy, which works oorveerrttlrsw the scriptures,
reduced our Saviour to the level of • heathen philosopher.
gad utterly deeteesed estme vestige which belonged to the
ehrisdan relights, Mew of them works had found their
way into the baniael SKIM filthily students. Some were
eoeched is wash kittrMssaaleadiag hem oat, thing to
the other, that mem would pet them with the
most perfect weingel. MO the bomb of their daughters,
without segesethe lie Mel malts whbk might aim from
each works. (The NAM Med reed sera' ulnae from the
works.) These pablimelese woe takes up, mid approved
by nameable mesh, yeses ass got held et them
sad read the., sad May were so eictemely wall got up,
that th.y einalelled hem the highs* to the boost dense
The noble lewd than sensed to quote hem
_ether beaks of
esevil teadesey, whirl professed to Met highly mal, sad I
whin, though they would not admit that Christ was the ma
of Ood, yet they raised him more then the most devout
saint would do. He reed ea extras< from a' book entitled
"Christie. Theism." whisk war follows: "fat Cluistisa
Theism, thee, ewes the feelings of his who, while he ad-
mits no antherity above that of sea's gunnel resift and '
se needed°. besides that of nature, yet listens to the icons
that we have one of the beet expounder' of God and nature
la the Me. of Nazareth ; Tbeists of every nation, Christie.,
Jew, Makomeden, or C51600141111/1 meet epos we common
posed. Whatever may he the minor predilection each
may utensils for his own most eminent Meeker or prophet,
whether Christ, leakesset, Moses, or Coafaelua, their prin.
triple is the same, to seek the kaowneire of Ike universal
Wad, and rules for the smidgen of man la the greet volume
stretched out befogs all ineekied." Another extract was
from a book called "Toe Soul; her Barrows and Aspira-
tion'," by F. W. Newman, the brother of Father Newnan.
It wee to this affect : " New where the plasm of mediator
is held by priests, sante, or the fires, it would •p-
-peer that nocompeasated mischiefs result ; bates applied to
Jews Cuo jet the demise is to men perplexleg, owing to
the manifold and complicated tenets coswerning hi. person.
There are some who teach that he was less than God, and
yet that he is the mediator between God and ma. Where
sub a mediation is not • mere ause received by treaties,
where be is 'festively believed to be a more lenient judge
than God, to me It "lagoon amain that the belief is purely
nil" There were numbers Ouch boob melbas, and they
received praise from respectable prints, and those who pro.
mated their propagation were each es would support the bail
of the hon. member for Oldham ; there were many of that
school who promulgated the notion that there would be no
harm in their calling themselves Christians, end having croeses
on their temples, at the same time that they
denied the divinity of our Sseiwar. He thanked
the house for baying allowed him to disgust them
with the extracts which he had read. He would sow take
the liberty of elleding to another part of the world', history.
Everybody knew what kis religiose belief was, hut he wee
not now selvicatisg the claims of the Roman catholic
*harsh, but he wee speaking for the poor of every religious
dertemisation is England. (Cheers.) He wss asking that
they should not be exposed to the peril M their rude, end he
woo merely calling on the government and the House of
Commons to reject • measure which was likely to lend to
such a danger. It we. now some time since the Reforma-
tioa took place in this country ; at that time the Scriptures
wen set up in the place of the teething of the church. He
was not now going to say whether he thought that each a
souse was right ee wrong; but they now arrived at another
period, when the Scriptures were laid aside. The school
who 'supported such a system as that which was laid down in
the bill of the hon. number for Oldham was one which wee
ignorantly praised by some of the most respectable prints,
who by doing so were perpetrating extraordinary damage to
society. He would now tail the house that they were on the
eve of another great change, that the two opposing armies
were drawing close together, and that this, was not to be the
last attack; the principle for which they fought was,
whether they were to have religion or irreligion ; the reward
for which they fought wu to be heaven or hell. (Cheers.)
The motion and the amendment baring been put,
Mr. ROEBUCK sail, that as far is the debate had gone,
it had proved to him what a bold man the hon. member for
Oldham was is Imaging (award this bill. Tbe hon. mem-
ber who moved the amendment came down to the house
with • quiver full of pinned snow. Thee hon. member'
seemed to have inherent in him a vast mass of prejudices ;
he shot off his arrows, one a'ter the other, each barbed with
an imputation &Oast any one who may chance to differ
with him in epioloo. He said that he had two grounds of
objection to the bill of the hoe. member for Oldham; the
first bring, es he said, that it would trample on teader con-
games. His second was—and in mentioning it he was
"pp: aline to the prejudices of the house—that it would have
• great eentialieing eff' et. How did the hoe. gent
dente ' et his first conclosios ? He oppealed
to the konturable member for Oldham, land said
that that how:tumble member had not defined the
wore secular; he then undertakes to tell you what It
was not ; ho said that it was not religious : he chained the
word by • curious advance, and said that it was not rilf.
erns; going onward he said that it woe irreligious, and
added that, therefore—and be (Mr. Roe'.uek) would :ea.
was there ever seek a therefore palmed off on man before ?
—and, therefore, it wee atheistical. It was not nigious,
it was non religious, It was irreligious, and, therefore, it
I was atheistical, merely because it was called realer. He
wished that the bore would permit him (Mr. &rebut) to
explain what he took to be the meaning of the word seem-
Ise. His interpretation, then, was, that it was the fashion
hag the mad of a human being for the due performance of
kis duties is this world, and by that duo performance of
them to fit him for the next. (Hew, hear.) Now, with
respect to the expectations of what woo to follow after the
decease of • ninon, there was a vast difference in belief
sang the various sects of Christianity ; but what was a
curious thing was, that there was no difference using them
as to the bread principle of morality. What was it that
they differed in ? They differed is those mysterious parts of
religion which had no reference to the guidance of the con-
duct of a nun in this life, but to the guidance of his belief
in doctri al points. Bates the broad principle of moral ty
there was no defraud whatever. However, it unfortunately
so happened, that diffning u they did on these douses,
they were /audio' such a state of mind, that when they
came to the teaching of the people they immediately begets
to quern' on these Fonts of doctrine, and left out the brood
principle of morality. (lieu.) The bon. member for Old.
ham had seen the difficalties which stood in the way of the
general ideation of the people, and he asked himself if
there could not be inch a division in the business of teaching
that all might apply their Wads, their power, and their purses
together to the one poetic& of the education ; and that all,
also, should, is a 'operate and divided form, apply them.
selves to the teaching of the other pert. But the
bon. member who proposed the amendment ,aid '
that there were books which they would not teach;
would he, however, say that bream it was a
bed thing at they should leave then things oat that they
were all atheists? The imputation we. the same as if Ike
hon. member had said that there who supported the hill '
were supporting atheism. The noble lord (Artiodell also
got up and read books, one after another, which had no
more to do with the question than If he had brought for-
ward the doctrines of every saint in the calendar. The
hooks had nothing to do with the subject, because they
were published in Christian England. All these good
books were printed la a good Christian land, where no bill
'of this kind wee pissed into an act of parliament. All
the than to whisk the noblelon had referred was &notated
without the seristaase of say bill of this nature. The noble
lord (Ashley) the assabor for Bath made himself useful is
his geaeraioa In getting up ragged schools (A lee eh )
He SIM nothing to lough at in the benevolent efforts
of the noble lord—(hear, bear); but the great imputation-ea
' this kingdom was that each wools should be in existence.
Let anybody read the dreaseteasos maneeted with these
sabooler and they would led that vice was swarming in this
rest sty. The loh, leadsmen had told them that he
and them who worked with his had dose all that they
mal4 to further the education of the people. But the noble
lord meld tell them how useful had bees all those efforts
when they same to Pod that there existed such an immense
mass of nes amongst them. It was nothing more than a
mockery on the rationality of mankind to go into the streets
to talk to these aafortueste wretches to whom he &Laded,
and to talk to them about the saviour of owls. They
had them, Mere in a state so hideou, so
✓aissidenus, wit me overwhelming that even the. striae.
bet kimieli noel as ail, wee led it • hLokeee look to
bring individeel leseeeleme to deal with pest and
=Ceell. Bat we it bums the hew. nastalwe Ow Old-
PA abilllthiramelie dile ft king establstroo so
bow *Sense thsoemes Mot hem. wesoismos es up
and make sash leeputatices es . whist) tell from the
taelr 4"arieitlraoge
m ? The hon, member
. I •
.1, bad. If he were called
epee to vote ha et inewhew Leg the Oink
' hem the stem be would she de ea. - And when he (Mr.
Seebeck) salted him to iliebraut the poser, it was
SIM he snot this nt.'s's.' - arrew estates Ma,
had east foal imps ta apes his when he gee
up to elk his to memo • large muititede of the poor, woo
are alibi* for least of means to instruct their children,
hem the position whirl they are In, by lending the. a
parties elite of the state, seed by allowing every man
entry at hberty to Won such &pante aim
the &striae w his panes wish to be taught him.
(Heer.) This what lee (gr. Roebuts) called civil sad
religious liberty. (Chows.) The noble lord the amber for
Arundel, objected to the system of the boa. gentleness the
member for MANN beaus. be thought it was anti-
Mristiaa. He said alto, :that a great coated was at
hand; e• amble Med map drive the. into it sad they
far SA ~
*pig bat they may depend on it
=lbo totei out ofothooso will %last compel that
GUN would Lse like this rustaeonj.6 Ever) hdeayt"tilitnej
saw Me pepalation of this ematry incoming, and of awes.
thy mime OOZY great mesa were discovered to prevent sub
a identity, every day they would also see the wealth of the
seestry Milan into the hands of the few ; then there would
be, there most be, • 'emu g population of poor, and indi
"ideals naeonneeted, as the wealthy would be then, would
sever be able to cops with the peowing ignorance
that wes daily Increasing. (Cheery) He said this
because he believed that the ouial ate of the honese-
able member for Oldham should become come*. to
them all, and that they should get rid of that
'arrow feeling whisk rendered inefficient sad futile
ovary Peodhle attempt to Minn the people of this
saunter. (Hear.) Tiers wee only one means left to
them which was, that they should vote a grant of money fur
the establithosent of schools for the education of Andrea of
all religious denomiastioas. They could not by any red-
bility have separate schools for each denomination, the state