The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-10-22 00:00:00

1853, I met Mr. Jeffery, at the time Mr. Bold was brought
forward as alderman, and was elected. On the first of
November following, the very day on which I was returned
without opposition by the kindness of your joint committee,
over which Mr. Jeffery presided, 1 received the first of
the following letters. Mr. Lloyd then read the following
correspondence :

Compton-house, Ist November, 1853.
My Dear Sir,—l see by the report of the Council pro-
ceedings of yesterday, as published in the NORTHERN
DAILY TIMER of to-day, that your name appears in the
division, and as having voted for Mr. Bold. After what
passed between us in my counting-house on Friday evening
last, I cannot but suppose the report to be an error.
shall feel obliged, therefore, by your informing me if it be
so.—l am, my dear sir, yours very truly,
John B. Lloyd, Esq. JAMES R. JEFFERY.

Liverpool, 8, Exchange-alley, Ist November, 1853.
My Dear Sir,—l referred to a private conversation I
had had with a member of the Council, respecting the
votes for Mr. Bold, when I called on you on Friday last.
I then expressed to you my desire to pair with the
gentleman I referred to. Not being able to accomplish
what I mentioned to you, our votes were respectively
recorded as appears in the Mercury of to-day—myself for
Mr. Bold, and the gentleman for Mr. Holine.--I remain,
yours truly JOHN B. LLOYD.
J. Tt. Jeffery, Esq.

Compton-house, 2nd November, 1853.
Dear Sir,—l thank you for your invitation for Friday
next, but must express my regret that I do not feel myself
in a position to accept it. Your explanation, contained
in your note of yesterday, as to what passed between us
with reference to Mr. Bold, is entirely at variance with
my impressions of the fact; and the circumstance of your
voting as you did, after the express assurance given to
me by you (as I view it). leaves me no alternative but to
feel that your promise has not been adhered to. It is
true yon said you would pair with the gentleman you
referred to, smiling as you uttered the word; but you will
remember saying, " Who, between you and me, will vote
for Bold, if in Council ?'' And I could readily understand
he would have done so, if the intention which, as I under.
stand, then existed had been adhered to, and Mr. Robertson
Gladstone had been brought forward instead of Mr.
Samuel Holme ; but seeing, the determination to propose
Mr. Holme was a thing ot the moment, your names being
recorded as opposed to each other, would thus appear to
be purely accidental.—l am, yours respectfully,
J. B. Lloyd, Esq. JAMES R. JEFFERY.
Now, does it require a conjuror to see whether a
man actually records his vote or fains to record, the record.
ing of it amounts to the same thing, or at least makes very
little distinction ? I never heard Mr. Gladstone's name
mentioned, nor anybody else, in the counil-room, nor was
his name brought forward there. Mr. Samuel Holme, who
was then the mayor, was put up, perhaps, by those who
had as great a love for Mr. Samuel Holme, as they had for
Mr. Bold. (Hear, hear.) I voted for Mr. Bold, and the
gentleman with whom I was to have paired, voted for Mr.
Hohne. That then is the bubble, gentlemen, which, after
keeping it up for thres years, Mr. Jeffery has burst
over you upon the present occasion. (Cheers.) Now, I
fear I have detained you too long. (" No, no.") At the
same time I can assure you that there is no single municipal
question which any one in the room chooses to go into
which I am not prepared to enter upon fully, for the past
or for the present. Gentlemen, six years ago, in 1850, I
came before you upon a question which then very much
acritated the town. I refer to the Rivingtou Pike scheme.
I told you upon that occasion the course I should adopt. I
told you the course I had taken, and you were satisfied with
stay explanation. I have only now to take the
assurance of that honourable gentleman, Mr. George Holt,
the chairman of the water committee, that, in a very few
months, you will have the supply delivered to you in
Liverpool; and I can only say that, judging from what I
have heard from engineers and practical men, and princi-
pally, from those connected with the Manchester Water
Works, which are upon the same principle you are
adopting, there are those now who would be very glad, as
a speculation, to pay you back all your money, and to take
the works out of your hands, because they believe there is
some good in the scheme. (Loud cheers.) If it had not
been that you were the purchasers of the old water works,
upon which you paid a large sum of money, I believe
you would have got your Rivington supply cheaper
in proportion to Ps length, than Manchester has
obtained its supply. I have no need to bore you with this
at present, as:you see the proceedings which take place
every month ; but, if necessary, I am prepared to go into
the whole of the question. I was one of those in the
Council who opposed the purchasing of the old water
works, because I said, as soon as the Town Council
becomes a rating body, it will become an unpopular body.
And I thought we had enough on hands in the management
of the estate left us, if I be permitted to use the expression,
by our forefathers, and that it would have been better to
leave it to that enterprise which Englishmen delight in,
and by which the capalists of this country have made
England what she is, to supply you with water. I believe
that you would have found plenty of capitalist, if you were
short of water, to take up that scheme. (Hear, hear.)
We have now nearly arrived ot the completion of the
scheme, and if the increase of our population goes on as
it is doing we shall soon want such a supply, because it is
not right that to supply one portion of the community
you :,tlollid rob another. I mean to say that the
more you sink the wells belonging to the corporation
the more you disturb all the private supply for
miles around, which has been enjoyed daily for years.
Having detained you so long, I feel that I may sit down
with the same good opinion from you which you had of
me for the last fifteen years. (Loud cheers.) I have
never done anything, to my knowledge at least, to offend
you, or the body of the electors, or even any individual
voter. It has been my study, as your representative,
never to take one single ticket, when they have
been given to me, as your representative, to distri-
bute out of your ward. I have distributed every-
thing, I believe, and so my colleagues have done,
without reference to 'whig or tory politics—and I
believe I have, in all instances, done my duty as the
representative of Lime-street ward, honestly and fai.h fully
alike to all. (Cheers.) Gentlemen, I have only again to
thank you for the patience with which you have heard
me. (Loud cheers, amid which Mr. Lloyd resumed his
seat.)
thel‘ir.jammeeseliti°nlgmebeplrieovpeod Mr. proposed resolution,
entitled to
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that
confidence, and adopted him as a candidate for the
representation of the ward.
Mr. Cooper seconded the resolution.
applause.
Mr. was carried by acclamation amid loud
Mr. Ellis Jones moved a second resolution, pledging
themeeting to use every exertion to secure Mr. Lloyd's
return

Mr. Perris seconded the motion, which was also carried
by acclamation.
Mr. Charles Turner was loudly called:for, and addressed
the assembly at some length in advocacy of Mr. Lloyd's
claims.
Mr. Fernihough was also called for, and addressed the
meeting in support of Mr. Lloyd.
On the motion of Mr. Turner, thanks were passed to
the chairman, which the latter acknowledged in a few
words.
The meeting then separated.

EVERTON AND KIRKDALE.

A meeting of Mr. Stitt's supporters was held at eight
o'clock, in Hughes's public-house, Bankfield-street,
Bootle. The meeting was numerously attended. The
chair was occupied by Mr. C. R. Hall ; and among those
present were—Mr. Councillor Picton, Mr. Councillor
Kitchen, Messrs. Walker Fraser, Watson, J. Swift, B.
Hainsworth, T. Reason, 1".. Pickup, R. Langley, H. Hall,
P. Chalmer, J. Robinson, Redrick, W. Swift, Jordan,
Rourke, Winstanley, 11. Edwards, T. Bird, G Ledger,
Higginson, J. Holland, Bark, M'Cracken, M‘Knaught,
Bird, Bacon, E. Jones, &c.
The Chairman, in opening the meeting. said he was
quite sure they would all agree with him, when he said
they were determined, in this election, to put the right
man in the right place. (Hear, hear.) The right man in
the right place was a man, he took it, who would sympa-
thise with the interests of the people, who would] sympa-
thise with them, both as to their social interests and to
the great interests of this great commercial community.
(Hear, hear.) The social interests of the people were
matters of no slight importance ; and he spoke for him-
self, and he knew that he could also speak for his friend
Mr. Stitt, when he said that they had the most cordial
sympathy with the people in all their interests and con-
cerns, and that if there was one desire more than another
which was entertained by the gentleman who sought their
suffrages on this occasion, it was, that he might promote,
to the best of his ability, the true interest and the happi-
ness of this community. (Cheers) It was of late the
fashionable observation, that the council chamber was
one into which a gentleman would not go. If that was
the true position or things, it was a very lamentable one,
but it was one which entirely and wholly rested with the
burgesses. (Hear, hear.) If the council chamber had
sunk in any degree in the estimation of the community,
it was because they had returned to that chamber men
who had not been competent to the discharge of the duties
which devolved on them, and who had brought discredit
on the town with which they were connected. (Hear,
hear.) It was now time that they should wipe away this
reproach. (Cheers.) It was time they should select the
right man for the right place.- They wanted men who felt
an interest and sympathy with the peonle, and who
desired to elevate them by every means placed at their
disposal as legislators in the council chamber. They all
knew what had been done in the town for the improvement
of the population by the establishment of free public
libraries, and he felt peculiarly happy that they had, on
that occasion, with them the gentleman (Mr. Picton) who
had inaugurated those great institutions, and who, he
trusted, would live to carry them through, and so establish
them that they would be handed down to posterity as a
blessing which would enrich in knowledge, and elevate
the condition of the masses of the people. (Cheers.)
They wanted a representative who would stand side by
side with such a man, and who would be competent to
take part in the discussion and promotion of such subjects.
(Hear.) Mr. John Johnson Stitt was such a man, and
him, he had not the least doubt, the burgesses of the ward
would elect as their representative. (Hear, hear, and
applause.) The chairman then expressed regret that the
corporation had not established more schools throughout
the town, and observed that they should deal with the
extension of docks on this and on the other side of the
river in no narrow spirit or selfish interest. They should
look upon the port as a whole, and so manage it as to
enable al 1 classes of the population to derive that advan-
tage which free trade bestowed through our extended
commerce. In illustration of the extent of the commerce