The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-10 00:00:00

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the Jpeardly mime unatry,
entire ell Maud wsking that ispeedpitate
esn ; what we adopt we will adept after
dna ; whoa we have duly inveidgeted
the el e proposition we will adhere to the
new will remember what we owe to the country
nothbg hastily or ineoulderately ; but we
thd lumen" born under the influence at an
imelent and we will take care to give oar ad-
hoden to 011111011 that are to be permastent." Bat ever
fa this bill—' the whole bill, and nothing bat the bill,"
Width it was insisted was the only result that add satisfy
cis sation—was passed, we found the most stimulus COM-
Phil* am& by gentlemen opposite, who were sent there
Eh... principles, and who represented liberal opinions;
wean always qua/rolling with the political arrangements
had sent them to the house. Oa such • subject,
he (Mr. Dirndl) spoke this iediage of many of his
Mende when he mid that he had no superstitious reverence
flea die Itetorm Let He was not in the house when that
Nuposed, or he should have apposed it. (Ironical laughter.
Omit, se fee es the tones were ecesemd,)
else *see perpetual guards were taking plate between the
ram sad the vineries of the Rehm Let, that UM might
mat, out, gala all die nrcnastaness or the
me, it was hardly respeatable to the house sad
tad government that they should not upon their
*dons. What he tees now to know was what did opposite
1: ea mean? If they meant to say that they could co
endure the ancient emeetleation of this anwary, of a
constitution modified by politial estates at the retie, it
they were of opinion that every acre is Oh anintry, ad
every pound stating of eadtal, and every .saber of the
population, war to be represented in that home, thee be add
that they were propedng 'revolution in Ks einedtatisa ad Wcountry, because If that house war to represent such mate-
rials end such personal interests it war absurd to pretend
that any inflame or any power weld be exercised by any
other estate of the realm. (Hear, hear.) Bat were they
prepared to say this ? They who came forward with a
proposition for a 101. franchise in the counties—they who
were met with an amendment which war immediately after
withdrawn ; were they prepared to say that every man who
was full•grown," as an hon. gentleman had expressed it,
was entitled to the suffrage ? Why did not they come
forward and mike that proposition ? Not one of them
had made that proposition. Oa the contrary, several
of them had ands declarations hostile to such
a proposition. He remembered a speech of the hon. mem-
ber for the West Riding (Mr. Cobden) in which he particu-
larly disclaimed the intention of applying it to the labouring
classes of this country. The bon. member for Blanchester
(Mr. Bright) had ago particularly limited himself on that
subject. There was not one of them who would come for-
ward and say that every man " full grown "—though he did
not understand what wu meant by that phrau—was entitled
to a tote. If they would tell him exactly what they
meant he would be able to meet them. If they
meant to say, that that war the house of the
people—if, in that house, they meant to concentre all the po.
Utica! influence of the country, then they were bound to
propose that the suffrage should be given to every man full-
grown. But they did not propose that. Not only did they
not propose it, but they disclaimed it. They shrank from it.
They admitted it was dangerous. Then they came to this--
that the commons of England mast be a body groat or small
which possessed and exercised a privilege. If they admitted
that, and they had admitted it, it became a question for
decision, what, on the whole, was a wise and politic
settlement of the privileges of the Commons ? (Hear, hear.)
Would opposite gentlemen now meet the question fairly, and
tell the house that they were prepared to change the consti-
tution of the country ? They would not. They case for-
ward, and at the end of the session, proposed a resolution,
and made speeches that did not apply to that resolution, but
to something wider and much more vogue. But, there was
not one of them that would come there and say that he
wished to oonoentre power in that house, because if they
wished to concentre power in that house, they must give
power to a clue which they were not prepared to trust.
The hon, member for Westminster (Sir De L. Evans)
had told them ;that night that nothing could be more
preposterous or absurd than to suppose that the body
of constituents which was deemed satisfactory 20 years ago,
should be deemed satisfactory at the present time.
Bat, it could not be forgotten, that by the
machinery of the Reform Act the constituency
ought to expand in a relative proportion to the population.
Therefore the argument of the bun. member for Westminster
was entirely worthless. But had be (Mr. Disraeli) not
heard eloquent speeches from eminent gentlemen on the
opposite side, in which they told the working po7ulation
that they had political power in their right if they chose to
acquire it—that any man who realised by his labour an
income of is the year could acquire political power? Had
he sot been told over and over again that the oßject of gentle.
men opposite war to change the depositories of power, and that
the facile and obvious mode of doing that wee for the
working classes to avail themselves of the privilege which
the constitution gave them, and possess themselves of the
franchise ; and had he not heard that any working man
in England, of ordinary industry, could easily possess the
franchise, and change the depository of power ? (Hear,
hear. Were they to be told to-night that with all these
advantages—with the:machinery supplied to the political
constitution of this country—the people of England
were so besotted, so degraded, so incapable of
belt exertion and respe:t that they could not make
the effort necessary to possess a power which was described
uso desirable? (Cheers.) The whole question hinged
upon this point. If the possession of the franchise war the
highest and most cherished privilege of man, could it be the
right of every one, however degraded. indolent, or unworthy
to possess it ? If so, then the house could understand the
question that was really to agitate the country and
affect public, opinion. Gentlemen opposite knew that
if they carried out their principles is an extreme
not one in ten of them would be returned to that
house. (A laugh.) If they dared to propose that the
constituency should consist of every full nova man they'
would be defeated at the hustings, He did not believe
that the ten-pounders, the tive-pounders, or even
the two-pounders would support them ; but he
did believe that the great masses of the people
would be faithful to the traditionary instincts of Eng-
lishmen, that they would be for the monarchy, and the em-
pire, and for that system which had made England eminent,
and that they would give the great national verdict against
i the levelling system of political tergiversation of which gen-
tlemen opposite were the supporters. (Cheers.)
p Sir B. HALL submitted that u the Reform Bill war
twenty years old, the time had come when, by en extension
of the franchise, it should be adapted to the growing wants
; and wishes of the country. He retorted the taunts of Mr.
; Disraeli, by alluding to those early incidents in that hon.
. member's career which showed his willingness to serve under
; the banner of Mr. O'Connell, even if he did not go the whole
length of the charter.
; Mr. DISRAELI entered into some explanations touching
. his political consistency.
The house then divided—

For the motion
Against it
COLONIAL COFFEE.

Mr. ANSTEY moved that a select committee be appointed
to inquire into the declining state of the colonial and foreign
trade in coffee, and of the public revenue thence derived,
and whether such decline is attributable to any frauds
practised by the ostlers of coffee, or others, and as to the
best means of preventing such frauds. The hon. gentleman
contended that on the returns, the figures of which he re-
ferred to, that there had been a decrease in the revenue in
exact proportion to the increase of the imports, and that this
could only be accounted for by a system of fraud which
required to be inquired into.
Major BLACKALL, in seconding the motion, urged that
the planters of Ceylon who had ID large an interest in the
matter and who did not ask any protection, were entitled to
an inquiry into the causes which occasioned the great
depression in the sale of coffee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in
resisting the motion he wottldgo no further than the statement
of the hon. gentleman himself, who, by stating that there
was no difference of opinion as to the facts, admitted that
an inquiry whose only object was to procure facts
and to propose • remedy for them, was unn
The hon. gentleman suggested two remedies. He (Sir
Wood) on a former occasion stated, and he believed the
house agreed with hint, that it wu not expedient to adopt
either of these two remedies, and the hon. gentleman ex-
pressed himself satisfied, and said he would not trouble the
house with a division, and there the matter ended. The
assertion of the hon. gentleman was that the use of chicory
interfered with the consumption of coffee, and the remedy
that he suggested was, either that an excise duty be imposed
upon chicory, or to enforce strict regulations to prevent its
use. Now he would trouble the house with the reasons
why they should not impose an excise duty on chicery, or
the vexatious nature of the interference that would be re-
quired to prevent chicory being rained with coffee. The
hon. gentleman had referred to documents for the purpose
of showing • decrees@ in the consumption of coffee. Now,
by the returns for the last month, it would be seen that the
colonial consumption of coffee had increased. The falling
off in the revenue was chiefly accounted for by the diminu-
tion of the entries of foreign coffee. The entries for the
month ending June 6 were of colonial coffee 2,467,000 lbs.
against 2,715,000 lbs., and the falling off in the revenue
wu occasioned by the falling off in the en-
tries of foreign coffee from 438,000 lbs. to
209,000 lbs. (Hear.) He was not prepared to adopt
either of the remedies that the hon. gentleman suggested.
If the hon. gentleman suggested any other remedy he had
not the lean objection to consider it. He really thought
that at this period of the session it would be most useless to
appoint a committee of inquiry.
Hr. M. OLSSON said he did not wish to detain the house,
but it happened that he had presented a petition from the
Chamber of Commerce at Manchester, relative to the de-
dieing state of the celoniil coffee trade. He certainly agreed
with the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer that there could be little use in appointing a select
committee to inquire into the subject, especially at this pe-
riod of** session ; and he thought that this remedy for the
declining state of the colonial coffee trade ought to be sug-
gested in that house. One remedy suggested, and be hoped
the right hon. gentleman would take it into consideration,
was that they should impose an equal duty en foreign and
colonial coffee.

3.TfIiELL said he had for the last two years been
a grower of chicory, and he mast me m, that
at this moment it was the most remunerative
produce that an agriculturist could turn his attention to.
The growers sold the chicory in the London market, and the
actual process was this, that by baying a curtain quantity of
coffee the public' bought a cheaper article than if they were
to commas the inferior clam of coffees.
Mr. ANSTICY said the right hon. gentleman the Chancel-
lor of the kzchequer admitted the facts, bat said the
remedies he (Mr. Anatey) proposed was Impracticable.
New he proposed that as inquiry should be made as to She