The Express.
London, England, 1850-03-23 00:00:00

11RIUNGBAM. Yank 22.

StociasoNamen.—Thla market wat mon active to-
day. la corsquesee at Oa repolad ainagessat of dilltteasia
batipasa dr Wain and Illarda•Wisloa tad laragdiaty and 11t..
as NW& ated Ilse& 111•Nardeldo Ciamaalas. the irave Imam Ivo
insammd lam we mak lavdrad alkaktadl mar kat Mt al
but at Oa eessailiri. Lamas tad tiafitt.Wastaess ware dams at
No; Mad ili instilla par MOIL Ull Illadards at loi. us. to.
; tawaatowry mid dienhasbna Tratattass eft at

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—FarDaT, liAlcs 22.
The house met at Ave .'desk. Lord LAMODAL3 eat it
speaket.
PUBLIC BUSINIMS.
WATERFORD. As RAILWAY COMPANY.
CASH Oir Ma. Hunt.
Oa the sutra et Lea Bionoien,
Mr. Nee woe salted le the bee, sad, to tegaillealol
Maid that Mr. IMAM. Iced Cimeliewee lecher, ball mi. ,
sassed that the flemesets MI6 he had so ga_ Me eon.
miseteaus were masa alba fleinmeate bobs Perna TIM
Mee, peoelflel sa nambeibm tibey MIMI be Ism& le he
assents mama Or deemenie to tbe Private Bilbellen
Tis• geomegabg warkthatif the espies ehmiel be bead
▪ essenee they Maki be male asearate.
Mr. Stable, the stabler a Lord Ceartowa, re being ealled.
Mad that he hoe mid the espies should he adialteed pre.
'Med is tiamineden they Mead he Mead to be tree
lb be should them It dry were ass. He 12611:1
rembel the
• Weed, esesanientia the *splay el the Widerbed.
Woman, Whale*, and Dahlia Railway Oempsay, Wee
this called, and examined by Rail thralls as soothe ratans
wash had bra made by the compsay in Medium te the
Mime of the hem.
TM Maims wen this ordered a withdraw.
RXPOISMON OF INDUSTRY IN 1861.
Lad BROUGHAM, having Moody IN
• esWeif
the emenbelen es the ealgest of the proposed exposidea of
iadastey, mow wished a pt a espy of say report madebe
the amminden se the et Star. He we'll aim
that mares ram to niB.tertras einestioes to the is
which hod bra selseted Ike the exiallatier—megai
Hyde-perk. He folly speed with his Mlle
the I'll of Coeliac, that Vistoria-Fark would ma be
a suitable place; bat he was at a lees es sem
sews what objerioas amid be arts to the Ressat'e.
park, whisk sem he enilkisaly spelose, although it was
net so 'main bemuse it wee said tkat ray
a small space I. Hydrpark weld be appropriated ter
the permed . He mast repeat that he eansidered
it a my great hmislip as the shopkeeper', meerschaum,
sad working elms% that the nosey requited for the
pupa *bead be nisei by voluntary eoeuebetter. Hs
met my, if tin ajeet were it sash per sadonal
Mmortems as it was repterated to be, are oreing a urn
it all dime, whether high or kw, whither whig or top
Maher preeselisaists, as meliorated by his more
Med floneley) bided him, or free trader, as represented
by the bib maple swats (the Marquis of Luedenr ja•
why should mot the pais pay forty er Any thseat
=tit (Chem) He knew may taresma sad shop
who wen sabowiaag their mazy sad patine their
sum on ormitten, whoa free' abaft inhemedan whisk
he had reesemd frees them, he was essabisd a eases that
they did it mar a species of, he could ass say samplers
etearieriag time very satiable and sanative qualities Wog;
whisk time manakin' proceeded, bat the dares vies :ewe,
the gentle persuasive maser, of =stamen. He ham
aces who bad subscribed 1001., sad be seMho
mar atol bap it, he did not do it willingly, and be woold
new pm MOL to pat an sad to the whole matter—(hear,
and a laugh)—for he fat that he would be Mired by the
eelapethke which this exposition mat treats. Beare he
sat dm •he would say a word to his sable friend behind
him (Lord Stanley.) Hs (Lord Broughams) saw
that at ohs meeting bold yesterday, sot a meeting
ef 168 peers, but of 169 mayon—(" hear, bear," and a
laugh) his noble friend lead said that he (Lon
Brougham) hid volunteered sob actions to the proposed exhi-
bitive. If the noble mamma (Lewdness) opposer, or some
of
the able lords near him, all grave, stable solid men, and
remarkable for their discretion, had sedie this charge which
hie noble friend bad made against hiss, he should have
thought it to be a s:rcasna ; but whim his able friend, to
whom he did not apply either one of those epithets in the
sualleet or the slightest degree—(" bear, bear," and a
laugh)—male such &chugs against him, he mouldered it to
he • compliment. He might 'lamest minder himself a
pupil of his noble baud ; he had gained some knowledge
ander his unpins and tuition ; bat he thought little, not
meek, of his mature, for that was volatile eat flighty. Lk
might be open to a similar eherp—(a laugb)—but one flight
be entaialy serer had taken, namely, • flight from the
bones at peers to the hoar of suyors—(lanehter)—to
make an answer in the Isom of mayors to a speech
aide to his pressers Ia the house of pre.
(Laughter.) He would not say how far good communiestions
might improve bad mannere.ben he might yet improve some-
what in that respect, and take • leder of his noble friend's
book. (Laughter.) This was really • serious nutter, for •
species of coalmines, be repeated, was used which was very
oppressive, and as the propeed.eibibitien was exciting the
attention of the whole country, he hoped the grammes,
would take the subject up, with the view of prop rag a b-
anal grant.
Earl GRAN VILLE could not help thinking that the
noble and learned lord bad very much simpered
the isconverenoe which would be reasiosed by having
the proposed exhibition in Hyde-park. The por-
eke now proposed as a aim for this balding (sad
be did not suppose that his noble and -learned
friend was well acquainted with it, as he was not mph in
the habit of taking equestrian sirens in the metropolis)
was a narrow strip of grass ssia the Knightabri lgi bar-
racks, and which was seldom by foot parenger..
Leila and gentlemen rode time enielleatir, but they were
only permitted to de so defies • few daps in the year.
The noble and leaned load bed stated that be rail-
bred the exhibition se homiest in a banal point
Meer that he thought tke tapas. attending uponit ought
to be paid out of the taus gathered from the people. He
thought this was quite resesimont with the speech which
his sold. and learned Mead had made the ether day,
a "seek not calculated to further the objects of the exhibi.
tine, hr be matured to appeal 10 the proludises of certain
slams of the commaity against tie exhibition. (Hsu.)
Lord BROUGHAM continued mat &fleetly of opinion
that the ezhibitka would do great geed. He did not intend
to suberibe, because he thought it mad be invidious in
the elms to which he belonged as encases, to subscribe
their money for aa object which would Meat them, but be
Immediately injurious to the shopkeeper sad Wedemen.
Lord OVERSIONE said it was • remiarkabls einem-
ernes that there was no foreign power, sad as party in this
oriantey, who had not put forward come distiagabbed and
premium* number to mineste the *sets of the parsed
exhibition. It Lad emmenest mist dos
and whether they lead to the member if their :L1.1;e"
louse, or the other Mos. el powliement, se whether they
looked to the pad merseatile Menem et the muntry, it
would be hued that the most distiegaished maabon of
every stem bed sprang Meth to give It their aid sad support.
(Hen, and shom.) He was surprised to hear the
Was ad lesone4 herd say the other Mitt. when referring
to the imp it the metropolis, that the proposed erection
la Hyde-perk meld be interims I. tie peak health.
The ram eimien bed net reseeded or blindly, or
without din eensidention. The sea was deeply
aware d the responsibility whisk Meshed to it. sad of
the dillealties whisk day by day gram up. TM table
bed had suggested that they had ere abetweaztsi_mte.
That poostioa wee onhositted to • eon
of the lint mmelosse, and they te the Cestasheka
as almost unanimous declaim in wear of the site diem.
Victoria Park wee mon peculiarly the meet of the middle
sad lower clams, and was asterseeted by footpaths, whereas
the site they had bora was ahem eselnolvely the resort
of the higher classes, and be was sere they would gladly
submit to the laseannienes Mite being used ke seeks par.
peso at this. They wanted • epee which that park Mae
emnld afford them. 'There was another nem Is, seleeting that
site, that It was reported to them ea the moot amperat
severity that it was the neat easy, site to restore to its
Mensal state.
Lord STANLEY said it wee quiteaaaesdsary be him to
say a word with regard to the essindedes affet speech of
the Roble Iced who lad jest set down, the lest epee& the
seas lord bad delivered is that been. Stir, ha metal he
Mould be permitted by his Mired, end panes, mod Anne<
kind toss, that ke Mesabi he bed &mos onespetaisi
ciestolUepertaftei 10 aa ezpremisa nab Mil hem MU Moog
)IS emnieg. It was quite line ihss is address.
leg the manes that he was speaking to koll night
onematering whet he thought wm ea wegeraMed
preedea—that ategokespees la Loam Weald agar la
ail& powdery lettersets by the boa odes of gado
net be the purpose off,
sa bat ice the paper el dsttlhleiae
is 1851—be did, is fording that experica, repot that
that phrase lad hem gime on the motherity of the
&obis sod learned het He thought that b
ern, with regard he this pertiralar peel maw
thing of inceesiselem between the komwege d hi.
noble and learned Mead at the Weilimbasir shesdig. seed
the language of his noble end banned ildmed the Ohm night.
la paint of Teiskner of ashy end of IstiMie (se we
unarmed the abbe lad, bat he was be maw*
the)tiactl night mire kis Meneserses by • pm etepper,
but he defied any kesensa power, be idled ere Ile setae
mad leaned lad kinmesit, to pat say stepper is lim
of his remarks. (Lambast.) He meet de him *eke,
however, to say that his sanity end his were
but at a bottle of effernessam, sad that
an the lane. (limewed laughter.) He woe we
that the long trio:L.li whisk had existed between
Ms noble sad I Mead sad histaellt would
not be iaterrapted for • assent, bat be drab Irak
apes him in Mune, en his ewe showier, net.. cm of these
peat seeeptie poems who was ready sad capable at dea-
fer with may sod every quake; but he should ham
after seaside,him as • pme, serious, plodding, rather
sew, heavy tossup—ism. leaghter}—es one who was
net apt to smear • booty Mara, wise sever
massif slope in a eseetal Way. who never =Vo
of as expeemice on any meolieratiee that be do.
sired to meal bat am who by lateen Mews
sad olady made iiwU theemply mom of me poetise,
and no more ; end amen ventured a speak ea that en any
other satgeet till he had made himself mast star whole
question. (Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM said his Nile kind had given his
*deice on the subject ease lee it Mop!H.begged kis
noble friend to receive Ia rotors fres leis what he gave
him with Ms most friendly biding—Mb the as print
sinuritt of pnepose, and with the kindestend min bonever
lent feel,ege—whe• he said, always when yea am in mo-
ment, when you hear an epaulets hem whisk you Mat
wait till ' delivers his • "

Is the *Kudos
the sus et

told bim theism of Vivaria Park, sad mated tha other
Alois whit resod to i.:, he altered his minim with respect
to it. Whet had shed a mow light am the subjoin
ga to d tho eshmelideme me kis firing remind •
sassy mmeramisselese hom Madmmem, coompleining the
emniego so .Lodi and of the mode is Mbith in-
iheonso was bosught be beer urns them, Test bail *mg*
W at ho mow ihoillott oit was ont of WI
puree that the emissees be defrayed.
TM subject them deopped.
THE MUTINY BILL.
• Oe the =sties et ths Marquis of Lamson's'', this bill
was end a second time.
EDUCATION IN SCOTLAND.
° The Deb of ARGYLL, es promsdag a polities
the lame to Mune its esesentio asp MI that mappirralag
Mod writhe* Mee the esnegladma of the
tabs* of S.sNnitmid It w
ee int ebbs* beekties that
he bad es ben* thus eadis Iles
maths of animal eivestleaklesdes& That hinged=
had mimeses es me gelded aim r be alluded to the mike
whisk bed ken gives Is soother plow by • arakloo=
to beim igs bill ea this sable* The solt et
Is lotkd. se deembere, was emeeeded Mit weld smile
scrims dillessltise, but than was ems dessmakille Amin
se that esustsy_ , sad that we., WM it==
exkles. sad bad leap Metal, • symenef
is IN nista sad le li. *Meek and la le • pen mini
indeed ia Its obencter. A pastern Winer, bed km imaled
k Ilandead of *somewhat heteregensess mated* eke et
Is
think that the Int slop thee
reisseilta by podium% is retard te skinks its
lleked
wit m upset this sperm altogether. The piatm of the
whisk he had now the boson te lay base the
wes that their lordships would take so mismare
with regard to edema's in Scotia* ; set that they would
seek se inseminate. but that they meld make no fends,
mend 'kwemeg ieemeat those Mode with& wets sew main
Ile m of the established numb. It
an to eh poles that be should seeks his
elmaneeine. The abode of Seethisil were of no
nay modest data; they dated. however. from • period
hen while they was sametemiod M rem not a few
of the thatitutions Mai* they Mari mine be meat
the period immediately sesseediss the revelesies. But
is order to eaderrand the obeneen of that larks-
dm My must go farther kale. It was at the
my begonias M the reforsiallea, Is 1110, that the
lien sebum fir parochial Meek is Sesellesd was
e' laid
Mks the mlbeesat of that . ial dam thet
lebene WO semis ilWall et thee lime, fit was left to
the*** MEN Oa *or/ that Mims ha et, Mill they
must regard thri esbeguent Ism as moody staistleaki the
slops takes st SM. Tao first meconra with* mods tho eras
tion of manila select sod their giTlool sangebol7 lia
the' perishes was adopted is the peeing of ohs MB war is
1646; sad that baring hoes almost komaNsfriy it
wee not resew* till MOO. H. should nertliwoll es the eit-
voutoses this eyelets had knewed ea India& Ille believed
then wee • gourd ienireedes that the mph of fiesdesd
were an behind others Is kWeeteal and moral
Weenies. end there wee also a general its.
Ferries that a esesiderable part of this result
was *Meg to the punka schools. Oa this point he should
set dwell, twiner skald he dwell on the hopertaat fast that
by the tasty of solos the exists's* of the parochial simile
was mad* a part of the contract benne the two comatries. He
was sot thyme to take any extreme ground on this qtan-
ties. H. mild not deny the right of parliament to Merin*
at my Me* whom circumstances Masada ieterfnenee, but
still be thought tice majority of that house weak spree
with him is saying that it required clear
proof of neassity before they thought thew
Wen entitled to istarfere under such circomstaene.
B. was willies te seadder this subject in referees to two
glen eirounetsseas he meat the increase of population,
sod above all, the therm= of digest. Their lordships INTO
et
nem aware that et various periods in the history of tho
earth of Scotland, sections had broken out from her un-
make aad bad formed themselves Into independent bodies.
It was set Ws Westin to offer any suggestion to the house
on the it of theme dissensions, but he was anion to
imam apes the house the poomliar auntie of that
dimeat. Between the established tench in Scotland sad
throe who dissented from her then was but little sideman,
and that difference was as nothing compared to the different,'
which existed at present between the members of the church
of England.. The different* wee not as to doctrine, nor, in
most cane, urea as to discipline ; but it resolved itself into
abstract questions between the degree of connection that was
lawful between the church and the mate. Now he begged their
lordship to observe the conseqwesess of this mate of thins
with regard to the parochial schools. When parents is
!holland sent their children to the parochial schools they
hand there needy the same 'standard of belief and religious
Inching which in their own independent schools they wadi
give to thedscdtildres. And he would call the attention of
**house terse remarkable circumstance comneeted with
those Meek. Their lordships were of nurse aware that
there were aim mots of Sestlasd where what the
Presbyterians aka the light of the referential
had never reeled, sad when ein greet mom of the minde-
d* were Mill Emu ealholise. Their lordships were also
aware that • shoat klieg had always existed in the Scotch
church with regard to the Emus esthetics, and it was say-
ing • gnat deal ho the namisestiom with which these schools
were carried is, that Mao General Assembly pre* a
moieties that fa the panshisl schools the Begun
catholic chilblain should be allowed the benefit
of secular oduestion, sad that no religious instruction
should be sins them but what their parents ap-
proved of. Ile was glad to avail himself of this
opportunity of declaring his conviction, that of
all the duties Incumbent oat the churches et
Christ that of attending to the religions instruction of the
young was the foremen and mat sacred of all, end he never
null admit that the rights of parents were in any degree
antagonistic to tho duties of churches. How those rights
were in hammy with the duties of the church ma exem-
plified in the *risk schools of Soothed. There the giving
of religions iseneetios was mode an e venial part of the
system, nil the sus of sot giving it to the children wee
thrown upon the parents. He would give the parents *very
right which the Omit latitude ant liberty of conscience
would permit, but there wee a greet difference between
allowing prom who object* to religious instruction
to give or WAWA it altogetke from their offspring.
Let the Imo emit er the median of some of
the Rabb of ilsothad the Sassaiscturiag end
mining diet/in% IN *stems —when the parents
had themethes been seglered, sad whose they were now
seslesting their ABMs •, sad he would ask whether it
week be right or wise to lean to seek pommts the duty
et offirdiag_ religious intrusties to the yea* of the
erstally? la esselesion, he loped that me party would
elnesil is the may of a peat and saint sheen of
Mimi deaden being shush eat km Pselland—that so-
opergaiss midi be shows is denims say system which
dm gnat easearing Isla of the enemy ;
Viih.arsir as expeeiment mos be tried, it would be
tried without spotting sziedmintitutioss. (Chasm )
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE (who was very imps*
hell y board Is the gallery) was saderstood to say that ha
bed lismod with plomurable attention to the able speech
whisk bed just bats dolivered. He had been in enumml-
miss with the . cm et *a Scottish school', sad
he
tem tea from du them sehrob were at pretest in a
Adesteste—thatthey were vidideside developed ,or that the
game sell nen Y. mate of the ceenteuiry of Scotland.
Me ink as ass egoism **nation adopted, or
aftemilolls Se bode of which was sot founded ea
tat. Ms= sow hi He bad ream to believe that
Ihe ollieleMpoolles is Seethed would be dinned to the fer-
e,
trilinestaa.
stimishowitisi heitiVisitt be stactitt god.
sf hannery, sesibkose. end Mend% "Lad a cordial
bed bees neasifeeted by both this Sr.. end the esta-
blished elmeliss he Nippon Om *sestina' efforts of her
MOM% goverment. (Hear, bear.)
Lad BROUGHAM thought that, after the meet lucid,
osehl, and my esedeet epee* delivered by the noble
dohs it was immetast diall their lordships should not inter-
an
line k
Is the slighted degree with etheemies a/Mihail, ex-
I way of emeneesemest.
The ptheetition wee dm laid ea the tabk.
EMIGRANT SHIP SOBRAON.
The Earl el MOUNT CASHBLL mend " That en humble
silken be primated to her lifejesty he a iy of the miasmas
el peee~ aSsheg the amass rid modest of the
soopiaart to shihat, mister, sad adhere of themisvi et
gelbend is Despoteies Ns. Ile eat No.
h Schwa.., fees Omen, O. A. Fitzroy to Earl Grey hat year."
Ile mid he maid milllagly have eke modes, but
ter the Mt that Mislay was te be as day,
sod that ea Toasts the bales weak edjoulashil:VEaster
4
halide He bail, disunion, se alternative hat te bibs oa
the se la thet Ms ham DIMS weft oak time pone
~ beaus It wit ea* of see mob lospeneam te be
emitted. Their lordship' were swan theit sons
Men appeared la shoo public papers with names se
the liebeges. Ors papered to have bees written by bat
mobil sed wither by the mats Then t=e bid
bees mimed of most serious airfields. ea Mt
adman vend, end Is their lettere they had endeavoured
* minipalla demnselvies. It was tar the alwatege
of theoesafay esd the pular diet. kr the infeemation of
1 lb& lesblifse, the Mier skald be folly iaireired fate,
Mame the that In had an bees
elbered to klegalireterrarsereeeldeses at the examinatioa
Walk had tabu plass, sad thee sem of the witnesses wan
1 swum Mita olowian. When Mahe sheeniest bed bees
dinged, when the penes' debunker had bees alleged,
sad where, Is but, the death et as isslivided bad nulled—
' weely la ant • ease the lavedignien webs to have bees
nedieseed by the odialaietration of ea oath. The 'bargee
were hr an bevies 'applied the animate with Milani
lowl—that spirits were said es board--ead that the young
amok passeagen were ins the spirits. &WIG of the n-
emesese were tee to Mate. Sem of the
Imo mplums, and we sue appeared to have bees nMkcm aa:
tbm. As soar
mak es tle
propvessel- -aged M r. kind. hem& af
then, osed tie WY careek sail
Cilitsfy skald ngage er to
et *WO wwliftw
keens* girls m e
smash to wait spy IBIS ilie
k
their Mau The remit was well taws. Their
belnaties Mewed. It was reputed that Able tie ein•
Ws or the mats had one et the gbh la the holey way, that
a nissenfoge tent plass, err •••••d. end she died, endthem V
Meths W" mute she that the lied bees gives dray to
woks, The - - - - lad

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me of snotty
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Weni~ pose tea
kdo Nissen re” with whims —111•10 wuMtiumts wesees
were legged It his hoes heeraglit ever to lay wed it the
moth sad will give.. die epperwasity I will brieg kihrod •
whams who will swear that-Ws is the take reps which he
sew used is the Maks el these peer (irk. The Bente earl
this had • series of reguletions lithe he said he had
draws wee sheik wadi peeetediege is Mare.
Bad iB it said tku- the melds earl who had ea spied
the atesatien el the homes ter is boar sad • half, se dodo
heilweed is them. Idle geniis winds M had sellseted
frau eerie. geerten, but he real um' the =hie sad
thee re statesaaate he had sole had sot • tilde of baud&
ties is tast. Is reptylsw when en' to (aid Grey)
&said met trouble- the lessee far here the. two er dine
Weser. As to the ease et the Maws, the particulars were
hay issews, sad power bad bees deao is as kr as the
gehennest lad sr *killed= ; amd thanks' lie
nun Mani gill.! W =imam et eel dun es moved ter by
W site ea & Deese was sae she which ho admitted wee
hod beesseable sad fie( l bat is that she what law
pd whoa the ship sashed in Sydney ? The ease wee fully
impaired late. sad the hikes. pablklisti lesertk ha
where sine it hell he of use, sad the result et the
dWes was that the disarm of tie skip were milked is
the sea of MK hr the sissies et tits& aim That
ewe therefore endued, end the esly sail of heorriag
the moan of swindles se lauds seldom mesa he that it
wesidlis as wane pew en the tatie of the bens& Nobody
woad reed the balky vellums emelt the noble owl
binedf, sad be (Bat Grey) had she=easheed
his that a tell espy lay at the
whisk the made sari night reed is Am ea
willed. Bader then alreweastason be did set think be

ateerl dbeineT4elTri;so7ciinTriesinostreawililiwo:rd
eaerarser upon. Oa • framer swain the
all& sect meadered • ship galled the John Year,
and read a statement from a monthly paper, of small
imalation, to the effect that there had bungler immorality
and minessiast ea bard that vessel. Now he (Earl Grey)
Mil fa Ids hand • seedsrahl written when the emigrants
were fa slot of the Australian coot, end addreserd to the
ridge eel[ dr barque. It was signed by no his than 78
prologue, sad bore the highest testimony to the good eon
rue at the captain end °Mem, sad the mums: fa which the
rod bad been managed during the voyage. Now when,
se in • case like this, the charterers sad captain
had taken every pair to have the ship governed in
a proper manner, wu it fair that they should be held up to
public odium on the faith of en saenymor letter ? Among
the pawners who ha I signed this terintindal were a dia-
-1 ratio; minister and a great number of married mm, and he
would ask whether it wu probable they would have signed
1 it in the far of such sceacs as had been described by the
noble earl ?

wmllieels eased the bill that it would
'se
MSpitN II
bite
emeempait far Mon
hoes the* emambles.
‘ei aeon& that thst pireashie be agreed to,
- end that It weal/ be lama better if they
set esseeted with these stoats, and pawed
or them. (Hair, hear.) II they left thins es
meld sly had to lastriesble &Salty did
,e woo then agreed to, m was name L
w 2 heist proposed,
ALPOLE rose to move the minisiss etthe obese,
BOUVIRIE mkt lie hod a• smostisa le pit to the
lord respeeting the el the bleak la this
iill■lo WO .4 one shied " spenthen slash it
meld los seassient to bath easwiiiid bulbs tfse hes sea-
ler ko Indians brought_ Stoweed- pospeeinee. As the
deem wee framed, tsattird of the meats of the teens-
Rs mush were to be nominated by the stye, bat he be-
lieved it was intended that of these only esaltalf m as-
lant et the whole Umber isblit be 'Maids. As the set
woo heated. however. it was &abed %Atelier the whole
easthird Sight not be alleish. He whiled to hew from
the adds lead whether se-third ft sasixth only might be
Aoki*
Lord I. RUSSELL said that it win undoubtedly the
Idesatioa that only one-half of the Postnatal members
might be efiltials; and, if there mai us) doubt oa the sub
Jam, the dose would be altered to that effect.
Sir W. MOLES WORTH said that the feet that the
amble lord wee unable to sower the quads of the hon.
somber showed hew badly the act had bees draws up. He
theeght the better seem would be to adopt the suggestion
of the hoe. member for Montrose.
Lad J. RUSSELL said that all he meant to say was that
he was not lawyer mesh to give as spiels as to the effect
• the weedfrig.
Mr. HUME wished to know U the government meant to
seesist in haeingliominated members in the assembly?
Mr. MOWATT said it me of very little consequesei I.
lOW whether then was on. or • double chamber, provided
the solleafous wen left the power of deciding theseselr s to
dam ow air two. (Hear, hear.)
Led J. RUSSELL said that the legislative council was
=altogether appointed by the mown. That mud.
roe altered by parliament, and two-thirds w. re now
deloil. SUM sae-third were nominated by the crown.
Mew thet penman= of his boa. friend (Mr. Moss) was
that soostitution—to has may one begislative
'ohm obit to suludi from it persons nominated by the
mown. That was • very considerable anoraks, and he wed
as purred to mon to it.
Mr._ 0 WATT said that is that me he would move the
massimeat of which he had given sties, namely, the
ambits of such part of Clause 2 as lease to her Majesty
Oho assie-ation of se third pert of the saber of the mem-
ham of the legislative council. He admitted that the alters-
, Rea he sewed was an important one, but its only effect
seelid he to hare the legislative assembly free to declare
~her be their opinion it was desirable or otherwise that
this should be is it an official person or persons nominated
by the arms. He believed the colonists were at present
indlitemat whether there should be • single cc double
chamber.
Mr. LABOUCHERB said that the proposition of
the hon. gentleman would be at variance with the
principles of the bill, which we- to take the
institutions which existed in the colonies, se they found them,
and to leave them as much as palpable natinsolted ; but, at
the same time, giving the colonists the power to make such
alterations in them as time and (opulence might suggest.
Mr. V. SMITH said that the right hen. gentleman as-
sumed that all these colonies had constitutions. That was
not so. There were only two of them which bad constitu-
tions, and those had existed for only seven yean. The right
hon. gentleman said that the government took the institu-
tions in the colonies as they found them, and that
they were going to do nothing new. But were
they not giving them a federal assembly ? (Hear, bear.)
Was that nothing new in the colonies ? On the contrary
this is one of the most extraordinary, most exciting, and
largest novelties proposed to that house for • long time.
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. MOWATT said he was ready to postpone his motion,
if such was the desire of the hose.
Mr. E. DENISON thought that if the motion of the
hon. member for Falmouth was now discussed and de-
cided, it would also go far to decide the question whether
there should be a single or a double chamber, because if
there were no power of nomination left in the hands of the
crown, it would then be necessary, for the pur-
pose of constitutional government, that • second
chamber should be called Into existence ; they were
now discussing a bill which gave four constitutions
to four different colonies, all of which were differently sir-
cumstineed. (Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. AGLIONST and Mr. J.
PMEINOTON,
Mr. ADDERLEY thought the amendment of the hew
gentleman the maths for Falmouth was not fairly met by
the boo. gentleman at the bead of the Board of Trade.
Mr. LABOUCILERE considered that hi r Majesty's ger
vernment, in bestowing the form of eonstinaion which la
did, gave it with the understanding that the colonists bad
the power of altering their Minutiae. whonever they
thought fit. His (Mr. Labourites's) opinka, regaeding the
number of chaishen, was, that • eenstitatkm said work
better with two chambers than with one. But the much,
he might my all, depended on the circusastaasse of the
colony ; such as the state of society, the 'deemed peados
of the population, and the means at hand for the empags
Lion of • second chamber. (Hear, hear.) His aka is
rising wee to protest against the interpntation put en the
intentions el her Majesty's government, which ware the very
opposite of those interpretations; besets whilst confining
on the colonies these institutione—wkiek they had reason to
believe would be killed as being of great Sportanse—they
at the same time thought it right to masa& the power to
the consists of altering these institution whenever they
should think fit. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BALLLIE thought it • very strange togsomat that
they shoul4 commence a discussion on a bill by debating the
competence if the chambers before they decided, in the first
iniquity, whether there should Its two chambers or only one.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that it the hon.
gentleman the member for Falmouth was determined on
moving his amendment in committee the present was the
time ; as, were it withdrawn now, he could not again intro-
dem it in committee.

habits, sad institution. (Hear, bear.) In consequence of
the observations which fell from the noble lord at the
commencement of this sages to the effect that he
was desirous of the development of their colonial
policy, he was sorry that the noble lord could
nest come to the same coneduakens as he did. There was an
opinion expressed by boas pentane abroad, and by a whis-
per In that house, that their colonies, instead of befog a
benefit to the country, were • decided hinny. The noble
lord expressed his determination not to draw the fufszence
that the colonies could be separated from them without die.
advantage bet be said that he would maintain and preserve
the dominions of the crown unbroken. (Cheers.) In that
detandeation no one would give kiln more sue mums support
than he (Mr. Wo4ole), remembering, as he did, the 'epees-
, don of Moesienir Talloyeand, that if the enemies of England
could deprive her of her colonies they would bre sk down her
last wall and fill up balsa dyke. Nothing would induce him
to TOW for a single measure to separate them from a beggarly
feeling of pal ry mememy. (Cheers.) He believed that in
a pecuniary as well as in a political point of view their
'Polecats were of immense value—at outlets for their popula-
tion, as one of the mate sonnies of their wealth, as their
principal mainstay of power—these colonies were inveluable.
And, if heregeeded the colonies as one of the chief main-
stays of their strength and power, he was firmly persuaded
that they would gradually fall away from want of cohe-
rent*, unless they bound them to England by the
generous tie of common patriotism, unless they built them
up and constructed them, as it were, on • platform of common
liberty, which derived its strength from their common in-
stitutioes, which would unite them as a people for aver. He
said es • people, because he thought that they should con-
sider their fellowsubjems in every part of the globe as
forming one greet family, which ought to be joined together
by that alone which ought to constitute a people, namely, an
agreement in laws and a community of interests. (Hear.)
If they gave them as nearly as they could the some institu-
tions as they possessed themselves, honeying, as he did, that
wherever they carried these institutions there they would
find that liberty, law, morality, and religion would always
prevail, they would, by extending the institutions of this
great empire for their own advantage, erects moral
advantages and cause social and intellectual improvements
in every nation with which they would become connected.
Mr. HAWES said the boa. and learned gentleman had
alluded to a despatch of his noble friend of the 10th of
January, 1847, in which the question was opened relating
to the Australian colonies, a question of the greatest im-
rtatier, as to their constitution and future government.
The hon. gentleman had also mitered to the report of the
committee of council ; he bad truly stated that the members
of that b:dy had au and strongly stated their impressions in
favour of a constitution, but he did not refer to the very
Important statement in the report which assiened the ma-
, eons for departing from the general rule and the general
principle. He would refer the house for one moment to
the passage in question to which be referred. It was the
committee of council state that they have reason to believe
that the colonists were generally satisfied and cemented with
the constitution as it stood—that was that there had been
no popular information to thew that the people were die.
contended. The committee of council said to this effect,
that most conclusive proof was to be found in the petitions
recently presented to her Majesty and parliament, tram a
large body of colonists, praying that no chanee might be
made. The force of e passage consisted in this—that if a
change were made, the change should he made with their
consent. It by no means indicated that they con-
sented at all times to abide by their present form
of government; on the contrary, it wee in the
belief that they could amend the form of government, that
it was not proposed simply to maintain it. Was the opinion
of the committee of council founded in tact? Was it fully
bores out by petitions and the resolutions of public meetings
in the colonies? Did they know, in fact, as far as they knew
anything, that, upon this, there was unanimity of opinion
prevailing in the colony; that whatever the alterations or
changes they desired, they were all agreed upon this, that,
before any material alterations were made in their constitu-
tion, they sake I the hence, and they asked her Majesty
in their petitions not to consent to such alterations
without their consent being obtained. There was
an important despatch from Sir Charles Fitzroy, containing
several petitions from New South Wales. The house would
permit him to road the prayer of these petitions, and the
house would carry the prayer in their minds. The one
from Sydney prayed that her Majesty would be pleased not
to assent to any change in the constitution of the colony,
which bed not received the assent of the col..ny at large.
That was signed by 3,500 persons ; the date was 2nd of
February, 1848. There was a petition to the same effect
from l'ort Phillip, objecting to the constitution proposed by
Lord Grey, as unsuited to their requiring, es being .experi-
mental and disturbing the form of government wnich they
were contented with, and,as alterinv and abridging their na-
tural rights as British subject,. Another petition prayed that
the house would withhold any measure cal, elated to impair
the elective franchise. Another prayed that a 1 alterations
might be left in the heeds of the legislative council, as at
present constituted. Another from Port Phillip prayed that
no pressure of public business might p the government
from teeing seeps to procure the separation of Pert Phillip,
with a local representative council, rush so a x!sted in other
colonies. He must refer the house tea resolution which
was awned to in • detcussion in the legislative c iuncil of
New South Wales, when the subject of two chambers
was discussed, when no proposition whatever cc-
carted which indicated any desire to have an elective
legislative council. No question was put in the minutes to
that a dace It was his own opinion that if there were two
chambers they would prefer a legislative to a nominee
council, but the question that was raised was not thought
worthy of any re.ordine motion. In these proceedings he
found this resolution—" that, although the council had
deemed it its duty to give an opinion upon al proposi-
tions contained in the despatch of the Secretary of State for
the Colonies, they could not forbear from expressing the
sense of indignity with which the people of the colony
were treated by assuming that a measure so seriously
affecting their destiny for good or evil would be introduced
into parliament without previously adorning them an
opportunity of expressing their sentiments. "These were the
opinions of the colonists of New South Wales—that any
change made in their constitution should be made with
their assent. He considered that they attached UM, im-
portance to the measure itself under tee conseleratien of
the home, because the noble lord on Wednesday last pre-
sented a petition, signed by a great msjority of the
leading mercantile colonists trading with this coun-

her Majesty's swamis= werkiaelined to bestow the eon-
=Mahe whisk thin thsemed We adapted to the catmint
het he eertandr oVnehad to all somisese, as he wished to
ken the power of iftriantlea left solely to the cob:meats
**olves. •
.811 AWES entreated do house to esesider the nature
cite amileament. Tint, let him state that the bill intro-
doe de sew late the enstitntima of New South
'Wales. weedd go a step farther and my, sot only did
the Wheats fa en inthoeltatin nmaner, through
nesietiene, thepateltes, and petition, adopted at public
=their eitleheftea with the esailituden as it stood,
one dells *el no altentisms shall be made in
it without their resat being previously ebeined. Now.
what they were salmi upon to de was to make an important
awake la that enellentisa without their emsent. Tie
entire bill Ina based an gamin to give easishatien and eon,
Int to the sissies the sheerbet *Buhl Millet from the
scat meet et She he..fermitee ter the Weft Riding that
theriesumed the efteeish wage mesa with nominee
IVslators, es the bill Wage dm hewn mimed on them
the power of altering their aeastitiatima es they thought tie
(Hear, hear.) Be enereftid the hefts% it they wished to mei
in conformin with the wish of the seioniam, they would owe
altar without esesest the nide. enetitanien.
Lord J. MANNERS said no pawn wield be more op-
posed to the single chamber—however anfteneleti—than he
wee.
Mr. W. P. WOOD mid the boom we sheet to take a
step which was fraught with happians or valeery to the
"Monists. The question to be dedded was virtually whether
or not there should be two chambers, and, after an attentive
pers.= of the correspondence which had been laid on the
table, he felt great difficulty in coming to any *seclusion m
to the feeling of the people of New South Wales on that
subject. lied they desired to have a second chamber, the
might have beta expected to state that such was their wish
in thence= meetings ; bat he bad sot met with any such
&eland= neither had he found any ezpremice of disco".
teat in reference to the present form of government.
Looking at all these countries in which the experi-
ment of • single chamber had been tried, he mart
say it appeared to him that the net having • certain number
of 'Asia =esthete, who derived weight from their
knowledge and experience, prevented subjects of vital im-
portance from being, discussed in the proper tone and with
the proper degree of caleinen • and, certainly, nothing
could be mere vital than the deciding on a More constitu-
tion.
Mr. S. ADAIR said he should have voted for the
amendment bad he sot discovered from the papers that
the nominees were not entirely subservient to the crown.
Mr. MANGLES wished to ask the chairman whether it
was not competent to the committee to postpone the
question under onsideration, in order that that which
'storage preceded it might be settled first.
Mr. BERNAL said he had no recollection of any instance
of the kind.
Mr. BASS said hie political feelings would certainly
have led him to support the amendment ; but gentlemen
well acquainted with** colonies whom he had coasul,ed
on the subjeet, had assured him that for the present by far
the beat thing the house could do was to maintain the legis-
lative assembly is; the existing form.
Mr. MOWATT replied.
The committee then divided.
For the amendment 77
Against it r 165-88
Mr. WALPOLE then rose to move the following
intendment :
And he it enacted, that there shall be within each of the said 8010-
des of New Booth Wales and Victoria a Legislative Council and Re-
prismatic' Asesealgy. If that amendment &odd be carried, to
move the loserdoo dottier stews., whereby it will be provided that
the Best logislaUveCounell shall be composed of members resident
in the colosies, to be tipated by the crown, under its sign manual,
for twice the period wh., is Aced f or the duration of the Repreren-
wive Assembly, and that at the end of such period, or in case any
Toms:des shall occur in the meantime, the Leg dative Councils shall
be composed of members resident in the oolociee, to be appointed by
the.erown, in •• similar manner, but to bold their seats for tie term of
them lives. To these clauses will be added a proviso, that not more
than one-third of the members of such councils shall ever be allowed
to bold any place or odioe of emolument under the crown within the
said colonies.
The object of his motion was, in substance, to substitute
for the second clause of the bill a short clause of which he
had given notice, by means of which he should take the
sense of the committee on the gee stion whether
there should or should not be two houses of
legislature in the Australian colonies, or, to state the
question in another form, whether they were to act on the
principles which had hitherto guided them with reference
to the governments granted to colonies, or whether they
should adopt a different form of government, having, in his
opinion nothing to recommend it bat its novelty. A =ore
important question could not be brought under considera-
tion. Whatever measure might then be adopted would not
merely refer to the Australian colonies, but would be a
type or precedent for future legislation. The question
was, in het, whether there should be established in the
colonies • form of constitution differing from that which was
poneased by the =ether country. It was very important
that they should clearly understand what principles were to
be amid upon with reference to the government of the dif-
ferent colonies. He thought thove principles ought to be these.
First of a'l, in giving a government teeny people, they ought
to adhere as much as possible to the habits and mg= to
which that people was accustomed, and they should depart as
little as possible from the form end character of that kind cf
government which time and experience had proved to be the
best. Secondly, on grounds of policy as well as of justice, the
legislature ought to secure to the colonist, so far es it
could be done by legislation, all the rights and privileges
which he had possessed in the land of his birth. The third
principle which he would lay down was, that when they
were giving a constitutional government to a colony, they
ought to form it one permanent basis, and in such a way
that it would accommodate itself to all the growing
wants of the inhabitants without incurring the haserd which
always attended any material change in the constitution
of a government. Those were the principles on which as a
nation we had hitherto acted, and which, so far as he could
understand their reasoning, the government were disposed
to carry out, though unfortunately they bad not embodied
them in the bill. Down to the commencement of the pre-
sent century we had invariably acted on the principle of
giving to our colonies a constitution similar to that we
panned ourselves ; in other words, of reproducing, if be
might so express it, in the colonies a miniature model of
the British coutitution. There were only four exceptions
which ware referred to in • pep= laid on the table by the

liCVATl;hould have moth preferred that the
question of • single or double chamber had taken precedence
of his own ameadment, es also whether both &ambits or
only MIN as the case might be, should be entirely elective.
He believed the question of double or single chamber was of
less importatir than the elective question. The colonists
should have a full opportunity of expressing their free
opinion ; and if one•third of the members of council were
nominated by the crown, he contended the *spreads& of
opinion emanating from such • body scald not be calk d
the opinion of the colonist.. (Hear, hoar.)
Mr. GLADSTONE said he was prepared to vote for
the amendment of the honourable madman the wasslistr
fur Falmouth. (Hear, hear.) It wee hie minim that.
though a constitution formed of one dumb* woad be a
very MAlSweett ens, yet, at all kismet be wee *men to
vote with** hew gentleman rather shim nmptillmessellatien
which the bill of her Majesty's ministers premmatied. (Hear.)
Tits first objets to be gained was • double Chamber Menai
it was mum to right itself as to the &Ma, if Doi right a$
to aunt. The Braced objets was that both Mambos
Medd be based on the elective prineiple—(hear, hear)—
end the third *Met with him (Mr. Gbdstone) was, that
bar set should be empowered to retain the right of
aced rewards to a limited extent, on the
Mn aka's*. (new, boar.)
ismi 1,1111111 ELL (who was indistinctly nerd) wee of
=that the hems oldie home already &died the quer
retarded priority. It append to him there were
insesei eel different propositions before the home. The
dint Mee Me proposition that there should not be govern-
ment neeninets I. the home of representatives. The
▪ whets we introduced by the IMML gentimean the
member for Falmouth, that the legieletive chamber should
be simposed deluged members solely, whisk In hie (Lord
1. Eneselre) opiates would not be we, as a Member cum-
noel on that principle, sitting with a governor, mold not
Mese be a departure trim the nature of the present wanatitu-
ties. bat would also be certain not to week well. (Hear,
hear.) The neat proposition was that of the pokey of
establishing two chambers, so that hos. gentlemen were
called upon to vote on several and soafissein propositions
all is the is.. breath. (Hem, kw.) However, they
should only sabot, in recording their yoga, the propoeitions
loin **minable.
Mr W. MOLESWORTH should say be we I. favour of
leglietion by a double chamber, Dune the mini* ap-
peared Mein than legislation by single emisbait isit new
semmiuddboil ebeastosn to be based on the Motive
=. (Hear, ban) If thewere is have only one
As preferred it should be wholly elective to one.
tint Ming meninalled bybyte Caksialgase. (Hear.) He
stiffened the emendammt of tbe beer. salaam Falmosth,
bonne be repeal a ladter etentitudee than the noble
lord.
Kr. COBDEN tbeeskt, U he understood the noble lord
=that the Ninnies east an should have the power if
their hem ef
Bet the right

committee of council on Mid; and plantations, Gibriltar,
Malta, Newfoundland and Sierra Leone. As regarded
the two former they could scarcely be called
exceptions, being, in fact, military garrisons, and
therefore subject to military law. Newfoundland
had, until recently, bons treated almost entirely as • fl•hing
station. Sierra Leone, too, being in the bands of an incor-
porated company, could scarcely be regarded as an excep-
tins. It might, therefore, be assumed that down to the
oonsannotment of the present century it had been the in-
variable practise with regard to the colonies to endeavour to
reprodthe is them a miniature model of the British consti-
tution. Siam that period this country bad acquired 17 new
colonies ; three amass the Atlantic—Trinidad, St. Lucia,
and British Guiana; three in Africa, including the Cape ot
Good Hope; four eastward of the Cape—the Maunsiee,
Ceylon, Hong Kong, and Labuan: three in New
Holland, which were, men or less the subject of
the present bill; one in Van Dismen's Land, one in New-
foundland, sad at the Falkland Wands. Now, let it be
observed that there was not one of those colonies in which
the legislature had not been framed on the model previously
adopted in this mouthy. The internal legislature of all
these colonies had bean a governor and an executive council,
with bat our exception, the exception being New South
Wales in 1842. There was then introduced for the fint time
in the history of this country the strange anomaly which the
government were g tou perpetuate by this present W—
itte anomaly of a bgnhanye council composed in part of
elective members, and in part of nominees of the crown.
They were not only going to perpetuate this anomaly in
New South Wales, bat they were now going to introduce it
into the other colonies which constituted Australia. He
was perfectly convinced that such en assembly could never
work well for say length of time. For its Arm introduction
then may have been wise and prudential NUM. He be-
lieved that it might be introduced with great wisdom and
propriety, to enable a colony to pass through its transition
state, from an absence of any kind of government, to the fall
enjoyment of a constitution. As a temporary messure he
was not disposed to disapprove of it. The question now was
whether they were to make it a permanent measure. In
answer to the government objections to altering the colonial
constitutions, he showed that the documents upon which
the statement of the celonial will upon that subject rested,
referred to a state of things totally different from that now
before the house. He cited declarations of Lord Grey and
of Sir Charles Fitzroy in favour of the double elsetin
chamber, and he urged the absolute necessity of a constitu-
tion which should combine the conservative caution of the
House of Lords with the vigorous activity of the House of
Commons. He could not help coming to the eonclusion
that the reasons assigned by the government for departing
from the principle on which they always acted were futile.
(Chien.) But if he waived at that conclusion he must then
consider what must be the substituted form of government
which be thought should be made in those colonies. He
thought that when " - substituted any other Arm of

goversateat. _
bee. talons tbiPreekleat of the Board of Tiede—Seetintild
what (Mr. Ochdea) did not at all edeeit.-earsely, that the
Washes preferred having • portion of their Men sentiested
by gramme% • portion of ose•third nembeatel by the
wows. (Hear, hear.) He mad art iambs bow may pr-
ess could ammo that a body of Bispiernea, reilient at the
Asap/W far addles& UAW lelibleila fee by ausinees le
wog et by their eau sepresintatives. (Hear.)Mr.
Mr. B NAB bid art Mak die seventaant
at prawn asetreeted, mad week well. Ma the
demurs* plait* woad peva after, It stay
lawithased eat palatal ewer the eyelets et renew
mat smarms Aloe that theme dieraN be a
datable ebeiratier, sad that beat be sheave, he was
Lereeleu.sete for the amesdiseat of the member
(Hear, beer )
Blr H. PHIL said ho would exclude altessiber the sends-
gooey that Lila arks is tatare disearlese la reiwinee to
ale seasenty ar pale, of errabßel&m • leoted eimalow, sad
rawiirs lie smainent l• tar meeTie (Hear, hem) Ho
wield rem awn the ben. wirwaher fie Falmenat premed
the ealabibbstawe els drarbat, sad that Ile *sepia-
_
ft",

goviiensent from that which bad been introduced in New
Beath Wales, they ought to fall bock on those three prin.
edges which he spoke of. They ought to give the ooloniets
the game institutions as those which they lived under when
they were in the mother country, and the form of govern-
ment should be put on a prominent bags; if they did this,
if experience and not experiment were to guide them
he could not help arriving at this result, that they should
now revert to the renciest feria of government, to the sit
praetice—namely, to the policy of giving to the colonies, as
nearly as possible, their own form of government. They
ought to combine, if they could, the conservative operation
of the Reuse of Lords with the aetivitv of the Rouse of
Commons, and they would thereby affsrd tame check to
hasty legislation, and some means of combating the prover-
bial ileetnations of the popular voice. (Cheers.) They
ought to bring the constitution of the colonies into the
closest harmony with the forma of government which
they enjoyed in England. They ought to guarantee
and secure to the colonists the mime form of go.
eminent which they possessed before they left this country.
They ought to convince them that the chain which con-
dam with this - though lengthened by

try, 111 wall as colonists in this country, and
who might be supposed to speak the sentiments
el their billow colonists in those colonies, stating that they
believed that the bill, foundid on the report cf the yrivy
council, appeared to have been received in four colonies,
with high satiafarion by the people of each colony, as indi-
cating a poky calculated to preserve the attachment to the
crown. We might also infer the opinions of these colonists,
from the unanimous testimony of the press of the colonies,
inasmuch as the Demme rs of every colony to which the
bill applied, stated that the report, in the first instance, and
the bill, cleated a feeling of perfect satisfactien throughout
all these colonies, which it had nut peen his
lot to attach to say other measure which he
had had the honour of being connected with. In all the
newspapers, it they reflected correctly the (*pions of the
colonists, they urged on the government the carrying of the
bill, approving of all its main details and leading princi-
ples, but he had some negative tesimor y, if not positive,
also in this country. There had been two petitions pre-
seated to the house, independently of the one to which he
had referred, one from persons interested in South Australia,
who prayed that the clause relating to .haste land
might undergo alteration, and another (rem North-
ampton which referred to that part of the bill
which made a provision for lublic worship. But he
might refer to what pared in the colony—to what rued at
• great public meeting at Sydney in crusequence of Lord
Grey's despatch, where those who took part in the proceed-
ings would scarcely have ventured to speak of the
existing constitution in the way in which they did, unless
they were sure to meet with the concurrence of their fel-
low•colomsts. it was in consequence of this that Lord
Grey come to the conclusion, and he (Slir. Hawes) thought
wisely, that it was not his duty to force on the colony a con-
stitution they did not solicit, it might be superior to any
other form which had been hitherto devoid to main-
tain order and secure public liberty ; hut Lord Grey
dad not think himself justified, after the expression of the
colonial opiniou, in fercusg it upon an unwthing community;
arid here he must say that if you wished institutions to take
root—it you wished them to be minced, it was not by
forcing them on a free people you could secure the one or
the other, you must let them spring out of the wants, neces-
sities, and feelings of the community, and not attempt to
force on them inaututione, however sanctioned by time in
this country, that they were not willing to re-
ceive or to adopt. The hon. and learned gentleman
had referred to the individual opinions of the go-
Tabors of New South Wales and Vin Diemen'a
Land. He must claim the opinion of the governor of Van
Diemen 's Loud, fully admitting that he indivisually recom-
mended two chambers, inasmuch as he sanl, whin speaking
of himself and the executive council (he did not pretend to
give the exact words), "we think the form of eovernment.
if it is to be uple ld In New South Wales, should be ex-
tended to Van Diemen's Land, inasmuch as colonies so
joined by common interests, common trade, and common
. . But this -

isoliage:elioalit have the sea institutions.' Jut this gut..
doe was not one which had now b en considered for
the first time. It had been laid tefure the govern-
ment in New South Wales, and in 1942 the
subject had been brought under the coreideration
of government. Sir Richard Bourke, Sir John Franklin, Sir
George Gipps, and also Yr. Charl. s Buller and Mr. hi'luthur
all concurred in recommending a single chamber. 83 far the
gatetb n of a single chamber had received the sanction of
these parties, all of them closely connected with the colonies
—all of them able men, and intimately acquainted with the
state and condition of the colonies. He only mentioned this
to show the hon. and learned gentleman that the subject was
one which had occupied attention btfore. As to the bill it-
eels, they had instructions from the colony of Van Diemen 's
Land that the bill gave satisfaction, and was approved gene-
rally by the inhabitants ; and with regard to South Australis
sltliongh be wu not able to quote any th.ial despatch, he
had seen a private letter from the governor sta. log expressly
that the colony of South Australia was satisfied with the
provisions of the bill now under consideration. The house
must se* that the colony itself had distinstly intimated its
that whatever changes them might be in the form

tics timid be -4ia
the esiellageentilesties tied* be altered SO regarded idie wee net broken by apathy end dierigard on the of government, it ahoul—dit—limat biWthe opportunity of
Sew& WSW IM MO EVlekkif the distatiebailew of the pert M w people. Tht y should not give them bad exproadng an opinion. Bat the hon. and learned gentleman
peep aof Meletdtlq.wag*" Sir B. Pad) Is made fild Mal d Bafwasmant with the hope that they world chase' said that we boa all along conferred upon our colonies insti-
awaa""w.`" be "`• her body, ewe Aeolis, he diem sennetbing bettor. They should blow out the none akin to our own ; that we had always
eeskeeld *Ohs wee not se ea to withdrew alteld, ....• WWI* with regard to their modern colonies which conferred esmethieg like King, L.:ode, and Com-
the WY al* which the 1111114 M 11111 Sig WO is that , they puma with regard to their older ones. He neon. U. could mute the hon. and learned gentleman that
naraely, the tight of swamies M a ewain SOSO. ("Hear, woad rid the to ot the amendment on the right he was mistaken in that respect ; the early American °bar-
ium hen tie selmieterialleasdles,) of the etiesiste to demand from them the same t. re oonferred no such form of government. The govsni-
Tlie His. ph. IBOOTT was Co p Into the lobby inelftwelema is the country of their adoption as those meet ceniisted of the governor, assistants and members
with the hat. newenteer for Palsi,A, whist' they enjoyed in the country which the y bad left. Re et ring in the same sesembly. The bill which they were now
Mt. AOLIONBY lak WNW based to vote for the thesght also dist they would strengthen their connexion c.nsidering professed to make no &kerma= in the coestitn-
hamatment dike his. membsafea yagiwatit, at twined with the colonies by giving them an identity of laws, of tion of NOW South Wales, and proposed that the same form

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