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...-137;ixos Rums BILL.—By Mr. STANTON. from
Clamors Savings Bask, Stroud; Mr. FLOYER, from
three branches of the Dorset County Primarily Society;
against outran clauses of this bill.
DEATH OF SIR ROBERT PEEL. _

Os Wagtail up the report of the __.
great exhibition, with regard to the sit.,
Lord JOIIN RUSSELL rose and mid :—Mr. Speaker, in
moving that them papers do lie upon the table, I will oak the
house to allow me to take this opportunity of mingling
my voice of sorrow with that of the house in general for the
great lose which this house and the country has sustained.
iilsar,e , hear.) Sir, at the first contemplation of that mil-
it is impossible not to be overcome by a feeling Of
atm that one who eo late se Friday night last informed this
home by his judgment, and took a part which became him
in one of the most important discussions of the year, should
have become mingled with the dead, and that not by attacks
of disease overcoming nature, bat by one of Mom 00.1O1.01:1
miloato by Irbil* we are apt to think that a life so gifted
would hardly be taken from us. Sir, in mashie, of that
greet man it is impomible not to rodent that hereafter this
how will sot be guided by that long and large experience
of paw gum, by that profound knowledge, by that ors-
tonsil power, by that copious yet exact memory, by whisk
it was wont to be enlightened, instritotod, and guidod. It
is not for ins, or for this home, to speak of the career

for the

of Sir Robert Peel. It sever happened to me to be fa
pointed mamba with him ; bat, so late se that
lot Mats le whisk I hays alluded, I seek enemies to thank
bin illielhat fait sad frank sonnet which he had glees to
' the , Mead goversatent. (Hoar, heat.) Sir, Sir Robert
No, is that elleisah which preceded the one that I addressed
th the hew, Is spooking against the policy of the govern-
neent,epoke with such temper, with such forbearance to.
wards all theft who might hold en opposite opinion ao Liu
that it must be a satislastima to those who remain that his
last act should ban Less one of such candour and each
kindness to all who wen wound him. (Chan.) There
can, I think, be no doubt that, however history may deal
with the wisdom of the course he pursued, it will be ad-
mitted that upon two great amaeures, when le held power
undisturbed and almost without a rival, end when he pro-
posed measures to this house which shock, and after a
time subverted his party, he did so from those motives
of deep love to his country which ever distinguished
him. (Hear' beer.) Sir, of those outdoes I shall
not speak ; but then is one part of his career in which I wu
most deeply concerned, of which I may be allowed to speak,
becaute I feel it due ha him to pay a tribute which perhaps
has not hitherto been paid to his deserts. I allude to the
period which elapsed from 1893 to 1841. After the croatests
which took place oa the Reform Bill it was to be dreaded
that those who had opposed that bill, expiating results from
it calemitous to the country, might retire in disgust from
public life, and thereby leave a war of dusts to be curled
on which would have inflicted permanent injury on the
country. I cossider Sir Robert Peel to hays been the man
who prevented such a war from taking place. (Hear, hear.)
Although he had opposed the Reform Bill, yet he addressed
himself manfully to the situation in which he was placed.
He appealed to the country on behalf of the principles of
whith he was the most eloquent defender, brought back the
various powers of the state into harmony, and showed him-
self not afraid to abide by the verdict of the people upon the
measures nod principle, of which be was the advocate.
(Cheers.) 1 consider that great service was rendered by him
on that oceasion. Beyond all this lam bound to consider
that a man so gifted, having the means of keeping aloof
from the struggles, the contentions, and the labours of poll-
tieal life, and having likewloe a love of literature, and a taste
ler art which might well have given bim a happy life apart
from all such contests—l say lem bound to consider that
the example of such a man devoting himself to labour ant
to infiiiite toil for the sake of the benefit of his country, is
en temple that ought not to be hot, and which I hope
I will not be lost on the puede of this country. With
this feeling, sir, I wish to say, that if it should appear
to the late friends of Sir R Ascii feel, that it was
desirable to take that course which was token on the
death of Mr. Pitt without wishing to proceed now
to any motion or decision on such • subject, I, for my
own part, should give ray willing support to any motion fur
tiring a public funeral to Sir It. Peel—(bar)—cr if it
should be thought that the example which was taken with
respect to the funeral of Mr.Cl rattan, should be followed in this
instance, I would feel it my duty to give my concurrence to
such a course. As it would be considered right to obtain
the sanction of the crown before any such proposal should
be made, I must say that I feel assured that anything which
could do honour to the memory of Sir Robert Peel, and
which would add a tribute to his fame, would be immer'i.
ately sanctioned by the 'dent of the crown. (Hear,
he .r.) I only wish thereto* in concluding these few
words, to ray that I glace myself in the hand., and rest
completely nn the decision of the friends of Sir It. Peel, and
that I think that, as I have had no political cool, ciao with
hies, this proposal may, perhaps, come more fitly from me
as net being one who is moved by any feelirg of partiality
on the subject ; and I must also add, that I do feel that this
country, and net posterity hereafter, in recx .ning up the
names of the eminent statesmen that have adorned the annals
of this country, and have contributed to her lustre, will
mention the name of Sir Robert Peel among the first of
them. (liter, hear.)
Mr. COULBURN, who seemed deeply affected, and
spoke in such a 1 rw tone as to be almost wholly inaudible,
was underetoui to say that he was sure that the house
would not c r.eider it unnatural or unbecoming in him, if,
after what had :Allen from the noble lord, he, tete had the
advantage of being connected with Sir Ro-
bert l'e'd in the most intimate bonds of friendship
for over forty years, and who had been selected
by him as one of those who were to carry into effect
Lis dying wiehe', and who was authorised by his family to
a:peen their feelings, were to address a few words to the
huuee. (neer, hear.) lie did not rise with any view of
adding to the testimony of his ability in his public capacity
which had been given by the noble lord—indeed it would be .
impossible for Lin to add anything to the testimony which
he hod been, us to the conduct of Sir Robert Peel as a
public men, end, if he were to enlarge on hue qualities, the
occurrence which had given rise to these feelings was too
recent to admit of such an object, gad the tongue would for-
bear to utter what the heart felt. (Hear, hear.) Ile rose
merely to shores§ to the noble lord and to the house the
feel ns of the friends and the family of Sir Robert Peel with
respect to the proposition which the noble lord auggested
He lac :purl it on their pert with feelings of the deepest
gratitude at the acknowledgment of the g.acious disposition
id the crown to a subject, and as a recognition of the merits
of a great public servad. (Hear, hear.) He accepted the
offer of a public funeral es the highest tribute which the
House of Commons cool i pay to any individual, no matter
what may have loon the extent of his Unite'. Be Mt
deeply on the subject, and he spoke in his own
behalf and that of the family of Sir Robert
Peel when he accepted with gratitude the honour
which had been paid by such a proposal. (Hear, hear.)
lie might also he permitted to state another thing—namely,
that thou who were unocqusinted with Sir R. Peel could
have but little idea of the simplicity of his character, which
added a grace to all his other neveire stunts. 11 there ever
was a man peculioily distinguished by a desire to avoid
pomp and ostentation that individual was Sir R. Peel, and
I that pomp and ostentation he particularly repudiated in
eases connected with funerals. At a very early period of his
connexion with Sir R. Peel this feeling had been repeatedly
expressed, and Sir It. Peel continued to hold it during
the remainder of Lis career. But perhaps the house might
not think it into, eistent with his merits if he (Mr. Goulburn)
were to give them the opinion of Sir It Peel on this
matter, as privately expressed. He had the means of satis-
fying the house on the subject, and would read to them an
injunction, which he signed on the Ath of May, 1811, at a
time when ho was in the full plenitude of hie power, when
he was at the head of a large party in that house, when he
brought forward a merlin the rssutt of which had crowned
his efforts with success„to a degree which went beyond the
expectation of his friends, rod when any man might he
tempted by a desire of renown. The paragraph.
repressing these feelings was as follows t "I de.
sire that I may be interred in the vault in the
parish church of Dratton Bassett, in which my father and
mother are interred, and that my funeral may be without os-
tentation or parade of any kind." Nor did these sentiments
undergo any alteration since that period, fur six weeks since,
when alterations were being made in that pnticuler church,
Sir Robert Peel pointed out to Lady l'eel the very spot in
the vault in which he wished and trusted that his body
would be laid, without the parade and rote ntati in which he
alway deprecated, cod the absence of which he so touch ad-
mired and approved of in the case of the funeral of the
Queen Dowager. Under these circumstances, therefore, he
was sure that the house would feel that it had a
duty to fulfil to has family who had but one feel-
ing to express, namely, that of thankfulness in'
acknowledging the intention of her Majesty and par-
liament to confer on him as he bad before stated, this the
greatest honour that could be paid to a subject by the
douse of Common., and he further wished to say on their 'I
behalf that they were compelled to decline the proposition'
which had been made, and that it was satistactury to theta all I
to have this tribute of respect paid to him whom they admired,
respected, and loved. He would ask the house to pay a far
they mark of respect to his simplicity of character by allow-
ing his friends to adopt the manner in which he wished his
remains to be interred. He felt that the house would
readily comply with the wish which he had expressed, sines
by recording their sense of his merits by an instanttheous
adjournment of the house oa the moment of hearing of his
death, they had done him an honour which would live
for ever in the journals of the house. Under
these circumstances it was that he threw himself on the in.
dulgencs of the house, which he was sure would feel that he
was actuated by nothing else than a sense of the deepest
gratitude, and he trusted that they would not enforce what
would nut be in accordance with the feelings of the friends
and family of Sir It. Peel, and that as the wound was so
recent and their feelings so strong, the discussion of the sub-
ject should riot he proceeded with.
Mr. HURRIES, who wu still more inrudible than the
right bon. gentleman who had just eat down, was under-
stood to say that his reason for venturing to mattress the
hones was that he was at one time connected with a great
political party of which Sit It. Peel was the bead. From
the time of his entering parliament until he ceased to hold
a seat it was his fortune to be intimately connected with Sir
R. Peel. Oa his return, however, to that house he was de-
cidedly opposed to measures of the greatest magnitude and
the deepest importance. Notwithstanding that opposition,
not the slightest disturbances took place in their personal
friendship, and in the salmon which he held fur his character.
(Hear.) It would be vain, indeed, in him, if he were to
attempt any eulogy or panegoric on the character of Sir It.
Peel ; he rose only to add his tutimony to the wavered ex
pression of admiration and respect in which he wee held by
all patties,—(heat)—and to express what he believed, and,
he might say, he confidently knew, to be the feelings of thou
with whom he (Mr. Berries) now acted, by eluting, that no
reminiscence of diversity for one moment mingled with their
sentiments of the profoundest regret at the mournful acci-
dent which had deprived this country of the most eminent
statesman of the day, and the House of Commons of its most
distinguished ornament. (Hear, hear.)
The subject than dropped, and the report was ordered to
lie on the table.
THE SHERIFF OF WESTMORELAND BILL.
This ball was reed a third time.
BUSINESS OF THE SESSION.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that he stated the other day that
the debate.% the foreign policy of the government having made
a tillierenee of tan days Is theprogress of the business of the
session, he would on this day name the bills which he proposed
to goon with in the present session of parliament. Re thought
it quite a reasosable proposal to make, that when bills had
not bees a lung time before parliament, and had not csosived
sufficient discussion, thy should not be mint up to the other
house of parliament at a late period of the melon. That ob-
jection, however, was not applicable to the measures relating
to the revenue; he might, therefore, say that his right bon.
friend the Chansellor of the Exchequer would premed with
the Stamps Bill when he could Sad a day for that purpose.
It was part of the financial statement of the year. The next
bill was ono of great importance in favour of the principle

of which the home had already decided by a very considerable
majority, he meant the bill For the abolition of the Lord-
Lieutenancy of Ireland, but itwss evident fr om what occurred
lately in the Howe of Lords that there would be a good
' duel of dinged's as go the mode in whirl the power to be
exercised by the arms should be exercised in Ireland, and
that discussion mull bring them to so late a period of tho
present math that the bill could not reach the other house
of parliament belore the beginning of August. That would
be too late a period to propose so very large a change in
their accustomed mode of goveruleg Ireland. He did not.
therefore, mean to proceed further with the hill this session.
There was another bill with regard to Ireland to which there
was much objection, the Security for Advances (Ireland)
Bill. That he did not propose to proceed with this session.
The Ecclesiastical Cemmiesioners Bill had lately been boron
the House of Lords, and was brought en a few days age.
He proposed to go oa with that on Monday next, as he
hoped to be able to legislate on that matter during the pre-
sent stmion. The Mercantile Marine Bill would also he
proceeded with. And he propeeed that the house should
sit on Monday next at 12 o'clock for the purpose
of proceeding with it. He did not thick that the
Merchant Seamen's Bill could be proceeded with
this session. The Woods and Forests Bill, a bill for the re-
arrangement of that department, he did not propose to pro-
ceed with, as it would require some alteration in its details
though not in principle. He proposed that alter Monday
next they should proceed with the votes in supply ; and that
the Friday, Monday, and Friday following be devoted to
that purpose. As he had often stated that great Inconveni.
'nee arose from their protracting the session of parliament to
a time when it was necuary for many members to leave
town for the benefit of their health, he now thought it was
advisable that they should only take those bills which had
received some discussion, and which were likely not to bring
them to a very late period. (Hear.) The Railway Audit
8.11 was one which he thought would not be proceeded with.
Ile meant to go en with the Parliamentary Oaths Bill on
that day fortnight. He propo cd to proceed with the Chari-
table Trusts Bill some mnrniag next week.
SAVINGS BANKS BILL.

In SIISWer to Mr. DI4RAISLI,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it
was Lot th. it intention to proceed further with this bill.
LANDLORD AND TENANTS DILL.

In answer to Mr. 11. Eggnog;
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it wu the intention to carry
this 1:01 through during the pre<ent session. It wu neces-
sary that it should receive some discussion, end Le therefore
propos►d that it should be brought to a steond reading. It
was merely intended u the foundation of some future
MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.

In answer to Lsrd J. MANNIRS,
Id'. LABOUCII ERE said that it was his intention topro.
ceed with ;his bill this session, and that next session he would
bring in a bill for the consolidaton, or for the consolidation
and ocaes.dinsnt of the merit e cede.
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL.

In arswer to Mr. SOTIIERON,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sn'tl that it
was impossible for him to name a day on which they could
take this bill at twelve o'clock.
RAILWAYS ABANDONMENT BILL (LORDS).
Mr. LOCKE wished to know weather there was any
objection to withdraw certain clauses in this bill, as he un-
derstood the railway pieties who were instrnmentsl in intro-
ducing this bill were moat anxious that it should be
carried our. It contained so many provisions as to the
mansgement of rail-rsys, that if it could not be proceeded
with duric4 the remit session, he asked whether the right
hoe. gentleman would allow the bill to be proceeded with,
striking out the climes which the government Lad intro
dated t
Mr. LABOUCHERE was not aware whether the hill
could be taken up. He could not tic:mound a bill which
was considered se objectknable.
Mr. LOCKE simply asked whether there was any objec-
tion to slow the bill to proceed.
Mr. LAMM:of sues answer did no' reach the gallery.
MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.
Mr. CARD WELL esid that it would be his ditty to-
morrow to mike a communication to the right bon. gentle-
win (Mr. Lebouchere) on thi." subject. He hoped there
would be a perfect agreement ; but if alterations should be
mad, he should pies notice of "hem tc-murrow. As to who;
the hon. member for Ilonit.n had said as to the railway bill,
he hoped the hon. gentleman would not postpone it till such
time as would render the bill impossible to be proceeded
with. - _ . _ .

An Hos. Myelin, observed that it had been withdrawn
altogether.
He. CARDWELL—Ahheugh it had been abandoned it
might be the interest of the shareholders to take up the
hill which had b-en introduced by Lord Stanley, the provi-
sions of which were in conformity with this bill. He hoped
the noble toed would not defer the bill bevond Monday next.
PROPOSED EXHIBITION IN HYDE I'.IRK.
Colonel fiII:THORP moved that the report respecting'
the proposed exhibition in Hyde-park be referred to a select
committee, and that the sanction of the home be given to I
such report Wore any further steps should be taken by the
commissioners. In a long apeecn the colonel ass eiled the
choice of the 'wieldy, the law as laid down by the Attorney-
General, the exhibition itself, and the encouragement now-
adays given to foreigners.
Mr. ALCOCK seconded the motion.
Sir B. HALL had be-n solicited to oppose the selection
of Hyde-park, but had declined to do so, because the
lt-gent's-park, a locality in which hie constituents wore
much more interested, might be chosen if Hyde-park were
ahao,loned. But as he understood that the commissioners
had given up all idea of the Regent's-park, he was ready to
oppose the Hyde-park scheme. He therefore moved that an
address be presented to her Majesty, praying that no build-
ings might be permitted to be erected in Hyde-park.
Sir. RICE spoke in answer to Sir B. Hall.
Mr. STEPHENSON, as a practical man, showed from
statistics that the inconveniences apprehended wete greatly
exaggerated, and then contended that to alter the locality
wou.d be to jeopardise an exhibition to which we were
pledged to the civilised world, and far which the world was
preparing.
Mr. A. J. B. HOPE spoke (at considerable length, and
amid the marked impatience of the house) against the locality
at present selected.
/dr. III:ME expressed a warm opinion in favour of the
proposed exhibition, and complained of the paltry and selfish
character of the objcetions.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that all the objections to the
plan had been most satisfactorily answered, and that to dis-
turb the proposed arrangements, in deference to the exagge-
rated fears at persons unwii:ing to iccur the slightest tisk of
incoavenience for the greyest public object, would be to
compromise ourcharacter in the eyes of Europe. He opposed
the motion en the ground that the question had been most
completely examined by as good a committee as could pos-
mo:y be selected. He remarked that the indulgence of the
cm en in recently opening the Prince of Wales' Gate was
being unworthily returned by opposition to the exhibition on
I the part of those especially benefited by that gate. He con-
cluded by stating his belief that if toe exhibition were
'Lowed to take place in Hyde-park, its financial FUCCtall
, would be complete, but he said that he could not answer for
I such a resift if the locality were altered.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said that it was only on the recon-
sideration of the report that the commissioners had given any
attention to the suggestions made to them as to other places
than Hyde-park. He strongly advocated the selection of the
Regent's-pack, and stated that Mr. Justice Creswell had I
given a decided opinion against the legally of the Hyde-
park erection.
Mr. GLADSTONE disclaimed, on the part of the cone
mission, any desire to dictate upon the subject, but said that
those who were opposing the present plan must be answerable
to those who were interested in the matter for destroying the
fortunes of the exhibition. It was paltering and playing
with words, to invite the world to exhibit its industry ' in
London," and then to send them five or six miles from Lon-
don, to Battersea or elsewhere, as had been proposed.
Sir DE LACY EVANS supported the opinions of the
opponents of the Hyde-park locality.
Mr. STANFORD advocated further impairy, and pre-
dicted that the country would ultimately have to pay for
the exhibition.
Mr. DU NCOMBE thought Hyde-park an excellent site,
and the best that could have been selectee!, and he thought
the objections to it very trivial and cavilling, and founded on
misconception.
Lard D. STUART thought that there ought to be a clowe
investigation of the subject, as there was so much difference
of opinion as to the legality and advisability of the selection
that had been made.
Mr. J. STUART objected to the question being pressed to
a division at present, but thought that every protection
ought to be extended to private rights. He proposed ad-
journment.
Lord R. GROSVENOR said that no great object could
be obtained without some sacrifice, and the one now de-
manded was very small, compared with the advantages
which would accrue to this country from the exhibition.
Sir H. WILLOUOHBY thought the law others of the
crown ought to be more explicit as to the legal position of
the matter.
Lard J. RUSSELL said the question before the house
was not a legal question, but whether or not they should
offer any advice to the crown with regard to the ez•
hibition of 1351, as desirous of taking care of the rights
of the public. Let Lhasa who considered their private
rights to be infringed make any application they pleased to
a court of law ; that was a matter in which the house had no
concern. With respect to the question which they had to
decide, he was happy to think that the discussion had not
been without its use, and to perceive, as he thought he did,
that the house had very nearly come to a conclusion cn the
subject. (Hear, hear.) He thought he did not misrepre-
sent the sonic of the house when he said that he thought
they ware anxious that no permanent building, and no
building with a very enormous dome should be erected in
Ilyde-park, and that every care should be taken not to injure
the trees which were so great an ornament to the park.
(Hoar, hear.) Thera were but one or two remaining
points on which be wished to remark. It bad been repre-
sented, as he thought under a misapprehension, that the
commissioners had, in a very arbitrary manner, come to •
conclusion that the exhibition should either take place in
Hyde park, or should not take place at all, bemuse the
house wished to act contrary to their opinions and advice.
Now that was not the position which the commissioners bad
assumed. The truth was, that the commissioners having
considered various sites, came to the conclusion towards the
end of February, that Hydepuk was the best one for the
Purpose. They immediately made their decision
known, and a report was circulated, not only in
this country but in all other countries, that the
Exhibition was to take plus in Hyde-park. Some time
after plans and drawings were prepared, and the 00111111i1-
@loners issued proposals for a building in the park. After
`all this had been done, it was too late in the month of July
aro determine that the Exhibition 'Mould be in any other
plum thin In Hydo-park. At the meetings of the commis-
ignore, able architects and builders were examined on the

point, and the whole of the cusatieelowe
ff the Exhibition was not to be fn ta"al
give up all hope of having any tPalk rett•iita
to ftaa,ct
tart cmantry in 11151. The other poi.,t
tet.4l
lw wished to allude wu that of the
to ba made. On the me hand the eabi'oltion
issonvenknce to vine levelly or eighty oceui,,,rt iva;
near the spot and to the riders In Itottcnirow, „e tte
that sue he believed there might be compeat
the other hand, no other sacrifice would be to
that to whieh the working clarces of this mute, .417
subjected If those of them who lieu! eb4
had to petform journeys fire or air re., ee, 'a
London, vb. tier by railway or otherwie., and •as whole day, it thole who came front seri the country to the metropolis were ohligcd to lakt
journey, in order to see the exhibition, the:, L:
thrown upon teem, la the first place, an oie:ay met,.
and, in the secoor, sacrifice of tue, which tli•
ill able to afford. It was, therefore, the totermt • • rity that the exhitition should take place innal
originally contemplated. He hoped th., Isiut
assent to the aaj-.ornment of the debate, but get the , toe;
settled. Hear, h.4r.)
An lion. wiebed to know whether the ',i.
of the exhibiti-vi tekirg pinee in y'e-pt.k t, e •
the pork would be open to crinveyeacci
that it lasted

'

Lard J. RUSSELL said that be could h
to answer that Tuition; the c4nnii.i
;droos of giving ail practicable accoanvcoeri.....
Sir S. HALL said that after what tad tt,
noble lord, and considering—fint, that the i „
be of a temporary character, and, aec-mar, th,
to be no demand for public mosey, ; 4
withdraw the anter.dniect. (that, hear.)
The SPE &KIER. than put the quests,. t`.•
sent he withdrawn, which was 0t... It:•h r
" No."

Colonel 8111THORP should fe.d :t
sense, even of the House of Commons, I. g:iia.t
(Lsughtero
The house divided,
For Sir B. Hall's amendment
Against it
The house immediate.y afterwards
SIIITHORP's moque, when there isppelr.
For the motion ..
Against it
EDUCATION GRAN L.
On the motion for bringing up the it-;•.i.•
the further consideration of the reirdu: r. u.
education.

111;:iV: MILES objected to a (pistil-,
brought hirwaid at each a late hoe. nt VI.
The CHANCELLOR of the EV.,11,,',c1
shGuld be c uotd. red that thig a. 4 a Int
sion, and, if smell weavers were L A
hours, the orderaw-uld Di c.r be dot thrc.44,..

Mr: lIENLEY concurred in tit
to proc-en with it.
Mr. ULADSIONE dil awl t...t
with it simply on the grcar.d of ..11 ; et. 4 .
was an maple ditcaseion of the su: jr.:.

fr

Sir G. GREYurged the necessity of 'heir
one* with it.
Mr. MILES celled attention to the mete
that prevailed as ennead church el e;ia eye
to which his attemion had been first coo 4 ...i •
of the ',sago of 1511. Let it not c • -;' •oe
not an *den in for the laity in.( eerier in!%
of church schools se well is the cl.oze. At ,
the system that prevailed. the maeigers 000
poiutment ef the schoolmasters, and no .!am
place except sate honed and approve : .y t.
However, he should state that on sees.ows ,t
appeal lay to the bielt wt. Pa.
in such rases to dismiss 1010. bate
I difficulty was to say where pongee:, reel.
and secular education commenced. he . Mr. :
not what clauses were introduced into the • .
they were not of a compulsory :.ature. 11. .
to aseettain the numbsr of h that . •
government grant. distirguisbing thole th..; •
from those tout had net revived it, as
refused it. However he had cot had the joe• .
those several numbers. In the petitions wo. .
seated to the house, what was riquireil wee. ,
in the management of the schools ; they woe,
possible, the management of the goerrnmie• •
called the attention of the house to the tact th • •
education required was good bite-oil co,. ...•
kuowledge of the geography of Palestine. .:.
emelt the toligious education of the schor.:3 .•,
rule " that no student woull be r. qu. . •
any religious formulary to which he • .
ligious objection. " And yet this was le
schools in which schoolmasters were te be t..
administra ion ce p..uper educatieh in the w........•
the education of criminal youths.
Sir G. GREY Paid that it wee the duty • •
and of the government repro tnting ohe
trusted with the management of these luttos,
mead ample security for the due
management of ad the schools. The gust
not felt then-It:ores qudin•d to inter:. re is.
way whatever with the nature of rolidious intoru .ti h .
Etiodnucteotionsi;ew
in these schools. A correspondence had taken p.a..e ••
the National Commetee and the Committee of C
hidlatter
been
ets:l
oeverye. di
which
oalli3jeweetianitawthti•htc
was r.ot the slight. st approach to any Odention
the pert of the clergy to the :xclus:,. charge
the religious education of the schcols. (Ile .r, he
The hon. member seemed to thine. that slue). mischief
arisen from the eptretiie of these maniseemer: c:stoc,
he (Sir G. Grey) eould not ice how the on:start.
hey could 1,- 1;ok el cp n rote; H, lo:
hard a petition from clergymen at the diccc
Wells, expressine these intolerant opinions. no' ,
the whole education of the people for the cho-
land. And certainly, he must say, that in ea, r• •-
sentiments, they were doing Idtle to increase . •
respect with which it was his wish tha• lay lc :c
ngatd the church.; With enfant to Kodi, c-h..! •
recollected eta! it was aroma! training schoet
of schoolmasters, those intended for worahouti
for prisons, and that in neither of these places it
to cooties the instruction exclusively to th,
church of Peal old. In the former the eile
chosen frequently from amone thot ir.m i•cs, a!
a great many of the persons to he tent-
catholic; one other dissenters. In fact s.,
difficulty of getting properly waited ear
land when an inmeaved appodest.
dared a higher sunder.? e'
that they hi.! been cdO:ecil
ing school in Glasgow for teechere. who w
members of the church of S.:wiled. ('see •
Kneller hall either that the principal sh-ull
of the church of Er. 'and, or, no',that .1 c`.•
detominati la should be in eonst let
the two principal points which t ',re t• i '
the hon. member, and he had given s.tzh tk:'
thought were due to the hon. member an: c
Lord J. NIANNEIita said that the cot.:;.
hod been introduced atter the Committee
been sanctioned by the house. 111.1 the .
known of there clauses, th•y !
supported the government propesiti:-.
as it was by the dissenters, must it
fallen to the ground. He had himself tido- i , •
the 12th of July, ISI7, and the noble :or! h.a t.
him that the lih-rty pith, rho ciser. to f -er• ,••
schools was rot to he dif•ineee. Meer. ft. •
gushy the noble lord made the mananne•n• .
palmy, and of this he (Lard J. hisnnerei ••
Church had a right to complain. What they a'ce • e
• pious churchman might have a right to •.;1.1
without the imroeitioi of then cleans. It m•eo
that they were approved of by a msjooity •:'
men of the church of Emden.). but he co—eo :•
the Majority were' not to hind the consenter :4 rr. r
He fur one would never support any 'nem
which would he in the least denee url.it to • . •
denomination which differed front h sot , lit er •
they asked for the Church of enehr. I wee. the it se
have the came freedom which eth.r oodies claimed
themselves.
Mr. ADDERLEY denie.l thst the
by the right hon. gwitlemen .o r
gate foe the church the right of e taco' 0Z •
country. As he undcreteo.t !h.
art
was, that if aaybesdy wished to
under the authority of the chord.. the,
should not on that account be deptivol ci the •r she:
national grant. (Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. Pct.% e -e
Mr. P. WOOl) said that he did not the:- •.• n
which had been referred to by the right h o co
and which 'seemed to ittioence the mind of tb-• •t• !
for Kent, embodied the views of the ma otos cr e"
portion of the clergy of England. then. hear • l!.
=oriel stated that it was wrong to odor 1
1 ..1 •
dissentine schools whatever. Now it was roo,e'
that such was not the sentiment of the ehto
for it supported the granting of support to all ,ter:,,
provided that they made voluntary cootrib
"ueore
the government rant (Hear, hear.) It as.
read the memorial of two or three clergymen. ad •:
thin their view was e point in dieemeon
the National Society and the l'ominittee
(Hear, hear.) Then it was alleged that t o
an aversion on the part of the Notional
lay interference. That was a tailUadentaatileht.
was so was evident from the fact that the N0:100,
recommended these very management clause...l,e •
government thought the best, up to a certain tote'.
was plainly understood by them that freedom sn
allowed to persona who might take • different eicee
was only after the Committee of Privy Council. not
with recommending these clauses, insisted upon thou
unlucky hour. as the best possible, and that evor,..`„
else should he repudiated end rejected. that the \4.
Society felt it to be their duty to withdraw their spenht
i;
clauses which would deprive their subscribers of r.
action. (Hear, near.) The house thought
„lo
promote education by the combined; action
blistery assistance and support from the,
That system worked so well that dune; t',t,..„;
years of its existence the number of children At ,•
• ing the national schools had increased by
inleet,!,,
was not, therefore, likely that they would give t up,
it just that those who contributed two-thirds of the a
to the school should be deprived of ell control.
a :yea
was glad that a committee was likely to lie grealeuvit:‘,4
subject, because it would tend to alloy the a
5'
errors which seemed te him to eeist on botmr,:,`.
But it was not unnatural that the clergy sheuld afro
uneasiness on this subject when they saw elsisseing.od,'f'""
.....
were at tint merely voluntary, afterwards male.. 1'
Item
(lieu.) A greet constitutional question eio
this matter, because a large sum of money, a sofa uae

3.,:;;cd t

as gated

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!aced S the 'hate, sal of the govermeost, for
.„ u•i• • tadtvi' 'dual Waists was
bon,. St which no
ant the Priv7 Colimal. gi sot-
-000 natio 'tweeting it from which
/es, so on departure. (Rear, hear )
to
Ow" "poniesthree founding a ech• ol
. ••: no,'
who evistrshutt4 one-theret Moab* slam to lay
rules of en solipsism'.
toaninded that it was not the fact
1.. •a • u Mal C.unastute of Privy Council assumed
dot i-2 ravish. the whole of thesem.7hocla. The
rider wheb the treats wart gent gnat
• A••
..rott•••dlope and hielsope regard so the chord'
T" *'• • isms w.rt aypoiuted. is COI.IIMCGOII with the
+:1" '• shat inspection would be tat remd
• o.,nt; the prate were to b. Stitt to them ;
•of th• slyest. instruction war se be loader
,Ir„- • a teats, sad the ele.gy. Saltily that did
idiom:es:tot of the Mats or Wises of the
'l, the ullection of the'. obsal S tiety was to
err not o( the Costaiite• of Privy C./until in any
„ doubt right gift every etoottragemint to
"' 0 31 at:,: the Inhesiptioas of Inetl bodie; bat if
I the Sl truth that the con.
t-': .;ml/ether Stolid is law, and that ao figum
• .••t m.esaesuut of the school woe provided Sr, it
•• • , ay. /La ,he huh. and :eased miesW tanit..4 it
to su. rvi.i.o should be made. This
' isat
th..eme who mid that the Commune. of the
` •:,...t05.1.1 as interfcre with the deeds and sr-
, ,1 the /cheek. Next with regard to the se-
' o oraeot ft wee eft denied that that' ought be
d.on Ilse toanaeiag ambraittee. his had
' -„. ..) the NS! nal Society. and it had been .on
cry t he mu zebus of the church oa
• rni the heir positim as laymen did mot
e• • .1 Ms ch waver et churchmen. The perpetual
.. .ly hmever erosisre4 of clergymen—the
n as snare the evemin•endence of the
• errs). Tb• hieing might exclude any
• • t,liirans ground*, and insist on the
. v.:waters or teaehers if he Lad
t• • •rpoi: them gained in sgtrd
' L.ni, With regard to 'ocular teaching, it woe
.• a tstmittte of hymen staid aft with the
.r. I. that it as oppeal wire &shwas that
• a ho.ly of a diet rent ht-id, Stomach as it
t or vitae that ia the ease of the
•. rue °pads sad six ow miss of the lay
. ••hi-, that the appeal shoeid lie to the bishop
_ .•. .
• , • • •uurit:,e of the Privy Ctautil, seeing that
. ;wo n wide cat of the public fonds, soil that
1' ' : .eve er entar as well as religious instraction,
. . a-y-a: which amid rue sa•isfutory to all
be wended: sad :hat i! it wet* wow to
r.irtaus tosteuttion only, they should
!• • . ' tor •at of private loads at:y. lie did not titbit
. t ice Com tte. cf the Privy Council
. .'• Ne; hat so it hod been sated that there
tr. T 7 r• 'am the whole matter next semi es,
g: '1.7 th-ght not be to raise ciao jealousy in
. aoicr.ttr• at the great advantages and the
, • a • ..h i.it raemb•es ut Sae church of Hartland
ttai gr.nt was • tamer tor three who ail.
•• .i.y to madder. He would only add that
. •-, t system if there 11...1 any oureasnable
•,! tee suhje.t was one for parliaosentaty
. 'a. 7. the qu.otion of wbc.ber the grant should be
urd r
v. I, .! wed :hat the obj.et of the array
, • -• ••• tI .3 salves an otine Mars of influehee.
o re* i. liberty—R 'mut catholie an! dig-
,
.•, is-ly iatetteted with the church-
, ms: mists to 'triode from the
it ,rran: ad won would not accept
. of tr.; Committee of Privy Council.
t. 1. I'IX :trustlit that the most perfect free. I
. . be coaceltd to those who in any
lattemphei to promote the great otjeet of the
: n • the pm: that ell churches and all in-
,. thus sanlieeted their :isrality should be
. a•ortrnaut along they pleamd,aael to image
. ar;...t.ver mucer they thcoett bat. ?hobs&
„. • is eneausagement of them was to look to
n... • - :man to arrangements and manarea,st, and
• ,•,. ..•• .`•.rality in proportion as they skewed them-'
3 ~: i s pso•aattiog moral, awful, and indstrious
•c, - • lie thtrefore thought no school ought
.:eh.: its foatders though: fit to put it
• . e itch siurictl management. He might
.. • • - a••• om is so dole,. he sight doubt whether
had ever leen ttlB stoat ardent and
• • • • of odusaii3l; but he fully recognised the
• • ••• r• tart .Le • ditltrallt view, and to see in eerie.
. ...• : recce what they tb -men the best security foe
• . .• "se Kind of inetru lion. Whilst admiring in
t. : eosins°, the Committee of Eris Council,
• mistake was aprarent is many et their pro.
: • c•••e•Itoo much to SI whistry, sad too little
• • •• t: was not in the building of schools, in
-; • ie... in the 3p;ointment of trustees, and in
eitangeintnts in a hich there had hien tro
.upent.temisnee, that the proper grounds
, . . er.e.aras.ment they 'herald lavish. rather
w- - _ .:-.1 results; and according to dim results
s" • _,:ouragcmcnt and pttroaage of the tiffs.
-• , • ..eh they were produced. If they found
Es:;
• e .p men who worth ly flVed their several
Es:: r. —if they found them chaltag the aarunt
u: .. • +psalm, and misery is the localitia
• -toy ware established—if, on the pi-
of it* inekeerrre, !ham etlto.ls were
.• ft/sighing condition to to the in'el-
•,.• 11 .67'1 moral results of their teaching the
•,...y .f :be Kau should be guided by theft actual prat
. : and whether men contributed largely or scat-
:. -•—a ',they they MA up their schools to this or that
r taorcb, beet, or tuteminetim, of made them as
!.. -r. ,per sa they etuld—whitener these arrangements
=..r.f he, they should he left in all eases to the parties. A
rnanitattd like the Committee of Privy Council was
; • La best sad moat perfect means of commanitatiog in-

•.:t:on and •raiaiag.~
HENLEY woe fratifirl to learn that the whole sub-
• t was about to node rgo as iavestigation. (Hear, bear.)
The report was then agreed to.
CHARITABLY! TRUSTS BILL.
TLis ma amended, was eousidt red, su.d agreed to.
WOODS AND FORESTS BILL.

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I. rd J. RUSSELL moved that the emiriderstion of this
he postponed nand thatday three months.
Lor4DUNCAN thought the tonsure could not be poet-
wagy us detriment to the public revenue.
.9 • J. RUSSELL said It had ben. hie intention, until
I:, to petered with the bill, hat at this period of
s.• a it wee impossible to carry it through.
• t i : was then, by leave, withdrawn.
11..O1E.IIADR.SPIRITS IN BOND BILL.
NAAS 'Loved the second bailie, of this bill.
iI.NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER oppeeed
o•inuse he considered that no adequate reasons
.or f the mesons had been stated, and that it
• a does to fraud. lie did not think that the
ciotela tritillers should pay a lesser amount of
t :tie did at present. In England the duty was
In Scotland it was 39. Bd. ; and in Ireland,
The proposal to pay • lesser amount of duty In
sad Ireland would operate unfairly. The pro-
n.:en was anottleetimsable whereas the bill of the noble
be txceerliagis unjust towards the English
Lad received many representations to this effect,
La ea• ionised to believe that they were founded on fact.
sec y or, aid oa which such a claim could be louaded
irk: tut ,:Iat.UOT in Ireland and Scotland was subject to
,r ee. tie ;. :radiation of colonial spirits. It that were
would be by lowering the duty on Irish
5e•,.•9 than take this mode, which would open the
great deal of Iraud. The duty on rum was lowered
as Jt....1, if he could show that the producer of
L. •n• Scotland and Irelend had not been in-
: thaohly reason for this claim ceased to exist.
ct.a tonparison of the quantity of rum consumed in
.t.and sad Irelaod. taken together in 1847 and 1949, and
A •AaLt.ty of bona-made spirits consumed in the same
• • , I,,uad that in 1812 there were consumed
• .4 us-yens of ram, and, ia 1849, 432,000 pilaus
tbie 1., a a, tension, in the eOll/111 In two years a diminu-
ti• nof no lens :tea 134000 galleon But what was the pas
•ah r. ral to home-made spirits la the same two years ?
le 1-i; the -,•usistity of home-made spirits consumed IMO
villain, and in 1849 the quantity °n-
iacin was 1-4,7/8,0411 an increase of 1,476,000
palms. So that it seemed the consumption of colonial
spirits had fa..in off, while the con..‘amption of home-made
spirits b,s4 cranny 1G.244,44. It wes not true, therefore,
that tic itici..er had suffere4 from the competition of colo-
min spirits. The connangt an of rum in proportion to home-
aisle spii.b was is Scotland hoar gallons of ram to one bun-
dint gs.oas Si tan, -tun spirits • and in Ireland, two and
a hat gii.ons thi. hundred. lie might also state that at
the ':tats the daty on c:1 and spirits wee reduced he intro.
U,kk s,,esu imamate which created an export trade for the
th•tillen, a tads which is the former state of the law they
coals not cargos. is Ihl7 there was no export of spirits
fr'2- holtnd, *Le list year G 7,000 gallons were exported
tr,:a that 11.1.117. He moved that the bill be read a second
t roe that day sin months
Sir tt ILL (IMO ,1 that the debate be adjourned-
/Jar a fee wets from Mr. ROOM and Mr. Bass Is lap
p:•rt ',Le noble,, and Mr. Ransom* against it,
Its t.-~.t aerjded—
to, the adjournment 96
/taws.. it
fa, our retain to the gallery we lowed
Mr. 1. NAULE addreesiog the hones, and Mating that
to '•isond thn bill on the round of morality, and Of
ittimperwee is Scotland, sad to mitigate
*Lit eseitirgs hid !xis held, and the religiose portion
assmatity were ming their inhumes to meet
1 els was a distiller's yeesties and was is-
teid•si to abbe whisky cheaper at a time when in.
oe.pituote was inerellAia and pauperism.
wee sure that those who knew what poor-rates were in
htotlaa4 woad ant aid is that winch would inereses than,
t b. 7 do aught which would tend to inmate
mete.

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at.

Lag J. RUSSELL—The het &Amiga showed that UN
'sue of the tease au la favour of the principle of the WI,
"'I he Pis easiest te take that girlies se • divales ea the
masa aiding, sad set trouble the house to divide. lie
'4.414. lomtritt, oppose the le al fetus* stages.
the alas bolas of the day were thee disposed of, and
the holm &hayseed at f Oda/.

TuP• InvINON 0$ TIM POYEIGN POLICY OY
Ana WHDA.—.Tia do &War ol the Daily Num—Sir.—
Bariy feat iolumead from • abort &bassos la Portugal, I
take asrlisotopyortualty to soy that It 1 bad bon pretest
la tie 'SSW with** majority 1. du Boon of
t; Imam a• tbt resolatias of rositdosor be ssr forelos
toLay.—Yein'a übodiratly, Assays ANDRII6OII.
MIMI, July 4.