The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-02-27 00:00:00

SELECT VESTRY.-YESTERDAY.

held The usual fortnightly meeting of the select vestry was
111 the board-room, workhouse, at ten o'clock yester—
tleY• Mr- Churchwarden Woodruff occupied the chair,
and the other members present were, Messrs. Bradley,
Bold, Owen, Denton, Mellor, Weasley, Satchell, W. Jones,
Chesney, Fairhurst, Rawle, Shaw, Bairstow, Clarke,
Crawford, Taylor, Whitty, and Luff.

r The THE TOWN DIMS BILL.
Chairman mentioned that on Saturday he had
received a letter from the Rev. Rector Campbell, stating
that he had seen the mayor, the town clerk, and the mem-
bers of the council deputation in London, who all highly
apProved of the petition of the vesty. He had likewise
teen the local members of parliament, who approved to
very energetic in the cause.
Mr. Denton : I am a little surprised at that Mr. Chair-
r°,lo4 for at the time when Mr. Horsfall was member for
1,44411)001, and mayor of Liverpool, he was invited to a
lincleet in Manchester. (Here Mr. Denton was met with
of "order," and " question " which obliged him to
macontinue his remarks.)
I The subject then dropped.

1# The NOR/MOUSE COMMITTEE.
Minutes of this committee were read, and it ap-
peared that the numbers admitted during the last week
etowt.he vagrant sheds were, 189 males, 120 females, and 34
lure n, in all 343. The number of sick cases in hospital
Cle 16th instant, were 704, including 47 fever, and 66
, The total number in the workhouse on the 20th
—taut, was 2
otr, s 604 •
which haw moved the confirmation of the minutes,
're adoptedcontainWithoutoth die nig of any public importance, and
ussion.

INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS COMMITTEE.
fr' tile Minutes of this committee were read.
boZilFairhurst drew attention to the fact that young
but oder fourteen years of age were not only allowed
eneo
the arn, uraged by the officers of the schools to enlist
he
did oot7h•inklle guardianscondemned this practice, and
they al the were doing their duty when
eoura lewed children of that tender age to be thus en-
saileiged to enter the army, before they were of a
they :Int age to comprehend the character of the life
Sehooisvrciedentering OH. He thought the officers or th
tiler 1 not fulfil the duties of their position when
boisgnarlre such encouragement. He understood that the.
before ogle of the divisions of the schools were called in
to 'e one of the officers, who addressed them something
this tar
the Queen wants
-.idler. -.Lett Now, my boys,
eont of yon will volunteer?" This officer, ne
v_ended, desecrated his high calling in thus bringing iet
atroune of the duty of a recruiting sergeant. He
%tit
g3' objected to the encouraging of boys to enlis hetet least, they had attained the age of sixteen
34r, lor
what "„_• 'Tones denied that there was anything unusual
existe: alr• Fairhurst spoke of. He believed during the
draftedee of the schools boys had been from time to time
thLinto the army. Mr. Fairhurst bad been a member
hear: 'oeltaittee before, and that was the first time he
tole, an, objection. Every precaution had been taken
Perfeo:,"at there was no force used. The boys went
*a" 'Y voluntarily, and the consent of their friends
clone
,:e_t obtained. Perhaps, Mr. Fairhurst would have
Otir, :1,711 if he had refrained from the observations he
the Jones) understood he made in the presence of h
the ofinselves. It was unnecessarily reflecting, upon_e
officers'els, and just in proportion as they l.o!‘eredtti
bleak, "11 that Proportion would they diminish their
k of usefulness. " (Hear, hear.)
thiTrnr
, proposed an amendment to a portion of
krs.icee(l logs which referred to the appointment of
the eit Faye
as an industrial mistress of the schools, to
eotuutroemeeirltiethat that appointment be referred back to the
for consideration, on the ground that it was
longalp
ended , iseussion took place on this question, which
Th:b"awever, in the amendment being withdrawn.
`r°ceedings were then confirmed.

11:11! r, MEDICAL RELIEF COMMITTEE.
tithed rroceedings of this committee were read, but con-
kove4°tlling of importance. Their confirmation wasY Mr. Bradley, and agreed to without discussion.

The
ia_soinemewerisn!
PINANCE COMMITTEE.Com~
letter was read from the Poor Law
t "Poor Law Board, Whitehall, Feb. 19, 1856-
ge th'• aui directed by the poor law board to acknow-
th4.lllner in which-the
the e receipt of your letter of the 16th ult. respecting
eino proceedings for the hearing and
°n, applications for relief are conducted by the
of .e.stry of the parish of Liverpeol. The. board are
hel'l. !on that the practice of the select vestry dividing
ukt7„.4.etves into sections for the purpose, ,s not au
theta
provisions of the local act, or by the resolutions
tor rca;isard relating to the parish, but that the orders
vestp:: should, in each case, be given by the
.select
detirihrting as a board. If, however, it be considered
this 6"-'e that the present practice should be continued,
*fit be upon application made to them to that effect,
of
read-
to application made to them to that effect,
0 issue an order to authorise the select
Pose''7 motide themselves into committees for the pur-
order" hearing applications for relief. A copy of the
the lever referred to, yvh'ch has been issued by the board in
eall
ect vestry
eases, is herewithl enclosed for the information of
—Yours, &c., CO URTENA Y."
LIN, 4,
)00r 1: the receipt of this letter it was resolved that the
etueo,`°- beard be informed, in' reply to the foregoing
bilitieorder to that in the appOintment of committees,
lt 1r to a due distribution of its labours and resprsi-e
oboang the different members, the vestry consider
aet al, re been iustified by the provisions of the local
Pinid that in that view the vestry is supported by the
e
opinion af their late legal adviser, as well as by
etre-
ht_lhe
elln;v:lsv expressed by the poor law c
Ct. consideration.
es. when the subject was brought
*eve nestlaY thought the way in which the
boo., ?nducted quorums
, was illegal. Instead of having the whole
`2. tog?ther there were six places, and usually only
Mr, airhdian to distribute relief.
Ofeare, at), he"' ' Mr. Chesney does not attend the meetings.
Th
incjhecialieculi an •. Mr. Chesney's remarks were exceed-
1, r, eh us.
Which esneY : I say that it is not legal, the way in
tip they are carri very
t
adr • bent, e on .
r• Ch 'n• am very much surprised, indeed, that
beam. esney should have the audacity to get up at this
The Chairmanl3,: That is a strong word.
W --„,"41: Well, air, if it is too strong, will with.
rales a„,, But I say it is ungenerous, at least, when he
'Alt own "1", Pronounces things illegal. when he knows that
theta presence upon those occasions would make
Pio%
ngal according to his own views. I have attended
Ittklelteeerntos since they were started upon the new
"toul hag nd I consider that they have acted well, and
'Would ~t, acted better if every gentlemen at the board
forrealb fair share of the work which is to be per-
il hear.) But unfortunately for us, there
kultds.-"c"n Porlltln of the board which has to do all the
°llle'arY. and anotNr part who act the part of inspectors
tleY MI eay that one nf the inspector-part is Mr. Clues-
the tuself, who comes into the room and stands, and at
tet, aserl top of his voice proclaims that it is an illegal
do walks out immediately. (Hear, hear.) He has
„ziave iZait once or twice in my presence. should no
the 01-Pazen upon this occasion, but in order to urge upon
In a Pllbers of the board that they should come forward
they7lautY and proper way, and perform the duties which
liktch afve undertaken for the parish of Liverpool, and no
I.4letaberr°,lll one of those duties. Provided every
Qave ,-„ 0, the board would take a fair share, we would
each f" occasion to be present more than once a month
liace lir, a couple of hours in the day. Instead of that,
few .fl,nave been there, the duties are thrown upon a
theZua always skew the same desire to perform them in
A?q,l°lt agreeable manner, and not a single grumble.
th '4lSelf do not like to see one part of the vestry do•
.not „ft,_e work, and others being merely dumb dogs. I will
In 'Zee to it when I see bees at work and drones stand,
het e it
lifting up my voice against it. (Hear,
44%.an,(1 laughter.)
attell. • b.radley was happy to hear Mr. Denton state so
tblY Ma; the new system worked admirably, and would
dim. better gentlemen would only attend to their.
f lip to th,., present time it had worked most sat's-
-4c10.,.
r',„alr• Chesney: I deny- it. (Order, order.)
Mor*".r. Bradley could oy .state as regarded Mr. Chesney
e ought to go farad vile that that gentleman came
the quorum er to oi;struct the uiness going
4orivard there, and nmevelery took his niece as barman and a
gentleman ought to do. (Hear, h'ear.) He was ever
'uniplaininix of parties not doing their dizties at the board
i
and he was one of the very worst atteaders himself.
gear, hear.) He had hoped that Mr. Cheney would
lave had a little more common sense about hilt; than to
et up in that kind of way and to make complaints, when
•ue knew that he was to be complained of more than anY
une else. (Hear, hear.)
c_blr. Chesney : Mr. Chairman, I begtocallyour attention
-,o4he state of the relieving quorums.
Lhe Chairman : You have spoken upon that question.
},". Chesney : Mr. Bradley stated that he would
„,-"e Only one person as a relieving quorum in each
Aimee.
t„The Chairman : You have spoken. I cannot allow you
eiP
sfe:k twice upon the same question. If you have any
ation to offer, you may do so.
'ir• Chesney; I have. I say Mr. Bradley's remarks
itte quite wrong.
'„,:rhe Chairman : That is not an explanation at all, Nis
(Cr.ate Chesney: If you will allow me to state the case.
intoles of no, no, and order, order.)
tile he Chairman: I cannot allow you to go a second time
question.
8r• Chesney • There are six boxes—(cries of order,
i e r t and chafr, chair),—l say Mr. Bradley will uot
ll adl 'crw the act to be carried out. It is all owing to Mr.
Al, (Order, order.) He says one person alone
ild,,tiministethe relief. Order order.)
aiy,. • wensley said he had at(tended, the relief quorums ;
...."40at every week, and he considered that they were
"Kuministering relief according to the law. (Hear, hear.)
1,141% Fairhurst begged to ask a question for the sake of
saed He had been informed that there had been
iaw bY Some competent authority, whether the poor
ilowe‘Tnaissioners or not, he did not know, an order ew-
er pare na g guardians to contribute towards the education
ns receiving out-door relief. Whilst sitting in the
-aueruni
Millar on Wednesday week, there were several cases of
ea, ten, twelve, or thirties& pars of age, being;

brought in, many of whom did not go to school at all,
obtaining no education whatever, and the reason assigned
by their parents was, that out of the small pittance
allowed to them by the parish, or the sums they earned,
they really could not afford to pay even 2d. or 3d. to send
their children to school. This brought to his mind the
information he had received respecting the order he spoke
of, and he now begged to ask the vestry clerk whether
such an order had been issued, and if so, whether it ap-
plied to the :parish of Liverpool ? He thought it would
be an exceedingly good thing, inasmuch as the money
would not be paid to the parents, but directly to the
schools, so that it could not be misappropriated.
The Clerk said an act of parliament had recently
passed for the purpose stated, and he had laid it before
the finance committee, by whom a sub-committee was
appointed, and it was now before the latter body.
The proceedings were then confirmed.
Mr. Shaw moved, according to notice, that Mr. W. T.
Hales be appointed warrant officer.
Mr. Denton seconded the motion, which was unani-
mously adopted.
This closed the business of the ♦estry.

In reference to a portion of the business reported we
have received the following explanatory note :

TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN TIMES

Sir,—As I have been informed that Mr. Fairhurst, in
his place to-day at the meeting of the Select Vestry, made
some observations reflecting on the manner in which I
have attended to my duty in the matters of the boys who
are about to enter the army, T beg, through the medium
of your columns, to state that I shall ask for an enquiry
into my conduct at the next meeting of the Industrial
School Committee, when I shall be able to shew, as I have
already done to Mr. Fairhurst (although he appears
unwilling to see it), that the information he received is
incorrect.—l am, sir, your obedient servant,

ISAAC HOLMES, Chaplain and Headmaster,
Kirkdale Industrial Schools.

Liverpool, 26th February, 1856

NEWRY, WARRENPOINT AND ROSTREVOR

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