The Express.
London, England, 1850-03-15 00:00:00

FRIDAY EVICI4INO, MARCH 15, 1850.

objeedsa Wert belied, as It induced so preeticil elificulty.
Tne fglh eiMign of the act regulated that the hours of work
for children and young panes should be masted from the
time when they began work in the monde( to the time they
lett It off in the evening. His noble friend affirmed that it
was the intention of parliament, in adopting the 28th 'anion,
that not only the commeneesatiat at the hours of labour
of all should be the sense, buellettettnr sentlesons employ.
=nit of all within the specified horn was pls. contemplated.
(Heir, hear.) No doubt conflicting delete= were pro-
nounced by the various megletrenn nut ether ftanctionasies
before whom cams were submitted es regarded the construe•
tine of the claw. Bat he (Bir G. Grey) asserted that the
law could only be taken from sad declined by the public
courts of jorirdiction—though, in the first instance, sub-
mitted to these inferior tribensie—aad that the decision of
the superior courts was that wistelicras to be relied on as
the true constriction of the law. On a late occasion,
the Mused the Court of ll:chequer unanimously decided
that the construction put upon a clause of the very act in
question wan not a true seen:tie ion, end that neither
would it be legally possible to obtain a conviction spinet the
wive who had violated that which had been previotely
supposed to be the correct anntrection of the clause. (Hear,
hear.) However, he (Sir G. Grey) felt bound to say that
the construction of the clause, as lately laid down by the
Court of Exchequer, in hie opinion, musts* highly injurious,
and calculated to effect the very opposite of benefit to the
workicer elate a. (Hear, hear.) Tee notion, it would
eppeer, fixed the ante hour for the commencement of work
for all, but did not Si the hour at which it. was to termleate,
and, consequently, the interval of repose remelted
quits unelefloe d, and, as it were, unprovided for. (Hear,
hear.) lie believed his noble friend (Lord Ashley) stated
correctly and without exaggeration the true state of feeling
amongst the walking claws, and their desire that the law
'house be made as elm as possible on the subject, and that
the legislature should interpose and render certain by amend.
ment or enactment the true construction of the law. (Hear,
hear) The object of the limitation of the hour. of labour
had been referred toe; and which object he conceived to be of
a twofold nature. The first object he Leek to be a physical
one, and the second a morel one. As regarded the physitai
object, it was not his (Sir G. Grey's) intention then to revive
a discus-nos in reference to It, or to go into the amount of
injury that had been inflicted on society by it. However, he
might state it would be in the recollection of the
beets that one of the main grounds on which his
aoble friend (Lord Ashley) advocated the short
hours of labour. was the physical Injury which excessive
labour occasioned to pawns en engaged, and the deteriora
thin of health, b )(lily langour end shortened lives of those
reelected to such excessive labeur. In destine with the
physical &Intim), be should differ with his noble Mold
an thieking that the system of relays and shifts was ne-
cessarily praductive of physical injury; and Lenin. he so
differed with him, he would jest state the difference
between the systems. The relays consisted in the con-
Suttees labour of all the persons employed in the same set.
But then there were different ate, commencing week at
different timer, and none welting longer than ten hours.
Now, with regard to the shifts, the ease was different.
Ceder that system the PM* persons might be em-
ployed the lull fifteen hours allowed by law,
tbeugh they could not be compelled to work longer
than the ten hours specified. As regarded the system of
shies, he should say toe noble lord had overreached he ob.
jections raised against it on physical menthe though the
system was certainly more open to grave objections than was
that of relays. (Hear, hear.) He would now come to the
morel objection, and he should say he fully and entirely
agreed with much that fell from his noble friend. How-
ever, he should say that, in speaking of the state of the
law, his noble friend lost sight of the distinction of classes'
employed in factory lab or. ( Hear, hear.) His noble friend
did not appear to see that, Innate the intention of pariia-
mint with regard to women and children, it was nut in bit
(Sir G. Grey's) opinion their intention to place restrictien
on adult make. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the moral ob-
it. then. no doubt it was the intention of the promoters
tf netririon on hours of labour to promote the social and
morel condition of the working dames by affording them
periods in the day which they might devote to instruction,
Intel reereatioe, or attend to their domestic dull v. (Hear,
h. at.) He (S rG. Grey) felt hound to state, and he stied
it with deep satisiattion, that the result in • mend point f
view was ell that the most sanguine cool I have anticipated.
(Loud cries of "Hear, bear!') Now, in justice to
the grey mildoeners and manufacteren, he should say
that that happy result was in a great =enure owirg to
their concurrence ; and he thought it was but due t the m
to make that acknowledgement. (Hear, hear.) As an
illustration of the shift system, he begged to give a ease in
point, premising that he had had extensive communic,tion
with iespators of prisons and other public functionaries to
ascertain what treasure could be proposed to off. et the
main object which all had in view. Now, as a Glee in
point, under the 26. h action of the act, the mill-
owners were oblioed to summon all parties to
wrrk at the same hour. They then dinied their work-
ing claws into six sets, who were each required
to draw cut an " end" (with the meaning of which plasm.'
he supposed the manufacturing gentlemen were acquainted)
after the first set hal workel six been ; and they were thee'
eirected to leave the mill and not appear again urea next'
day at eight ceel ck He gave that as an illustration to shcw
that, though the parties we re not overworked, still they were
obliged to be in attendance, and the law was thus complied
with. The question to consider was in what way the benefit
intended to bar clererred en the working classes could he
secured by an amendment of the law calculated to do the
least Misty to all classes. He (Sir 0. Grey) had stated that
he was not prepared to produce or menet to any amend.
went inconsistent with the act of 1847, and which
would not be consistent with the &Vein= nt
of the main object which its promoters had in
view, namely, the opportunity of affording tt • work-
ing classes p-nods for instruction and recreation, which
mould be best attained by devoting a few brute in each
evening. (Hear, hear.) New it struck him (Sir G. Grey)
that from the courn his noble lii-nd had adopted, he was
favourable to the tee coistinuons bouts bill. He did out eti
the length of nyinc that the lune^ ions of his noble feeril
wet. clearly expressed on the meths of that bill. Now,
in the present me, his noble friend did not introduce a de-
claratory bill on the subject; he wee perfectly urrestreinid
in the course welch he thought fit to pursue. He called oar
the house to pass an amended law remedying the act at
present existing. (11.er, hear.) He (Sir G. Grey) should
ay be would certainly offer no opposition to the introduc-
tion of a hill on the subject. (Hear, bur ) lie had
already declared that he conceived amendment desirable,
aed that it was important to combine classes and parties
holding different opinions on the question, in order to afford
'ho the working classes fug benefit in the time which they
would be allowed, and which they might think fit to
devote, eitle rto instruction or amusement. (Hear, hear.)
In consenting to the introduction of the bill of
his noble friend, be did nut bind himself to the
a toption of the specific remedy proposed by him. On
that subject be must keep himself unfettered. At the
same time he was happy to concur with him in such an
amendment, as would attain the main object It was tee
earnest desire that such an amendment of the law would be
found practicable, wit, out briegieg into cullinen ine rests
which were eventually dependent or cog. nderini any ill
feeling between the master and the operative; and the
c mmeuications which be had had with the parties ten
caned, had led him to the belief that that nit would not
be incurred. He earnestly hoped that the issue of the propo-
sition of his noble friend would be the bringing about a
satisfactory smendment of the law on that point, with
respect to which amendment had become necessary.
Mr. G. BANKES regretted that the government were
not prepared to give an answer to the pie sent implication.
The matter was cow in a position which was alike injurious
to misters and operatives. He hoped the house would have
the advautage of being enlightened by the right bon.
gentleman the former Secretary of State for the Howie De-
partment as to the state of the case at the time of the
passing of the ao,t in 1814. If these whc had had Frankel expe-
rience would rise and point out to tint any great mischief. or
difficulties which had arisen front the working of the new
system, be would yield a patient and humble attention ;%hut
in the tannin, of such opposing testimony, he felt bound to
support a bill which appealed to him to be naught with
benefit to the operatives.
Mr. 111. GIBSON said his object in rising, was
to guard against the supposition that by consenting
to the introduction of this bill he PLC ioned the plan she
dewed forth by the noble lord. He used the words " sha-
dowed ferth" because the noble lord bed not explained in •
definite and clear manner the precise mauve of the scheme
which he proposed. (Hear, hear.) So far as he understood
the noble lord's plan, it did not seem to him likely to obt,in
the sanction of the house. He admitted that in its pre: eat
state the law required some alteration. (Hear, hear.) Ile
believed that toe whole difficulty aeon from the circum-
stance that the chutes of a Twelve Hours Bill were imported
without due consideration into a Ten Hours Bill. Parlia-
ment, in fact, did little mere then substitute "ten" for
"twelve," thus evincing, as %peal, what he must be permitte d
to describe as the little consideration with which that house
had dealt with great and imp want interests. (Hear, hear.)
lie die not know precisely whetherthe Twelve 11-urs Bel
prohibited relays and shifts or not; some thought that it did,
and such, he admitted, might have been the intention elan
framer.. But, in truth, the effect of the clauses of the
Twelve Hours 1111 was never thoroughly tested on it there
arose a necessity or dente to have rte,urbe to the relay aye•
tem under the Ten Hours Bill; and when the Ten ileum
Bill came to be worked with the clauses imported lute
it from the Twelve Hews Bill, it was anted
that the probable intentions of the. framers of the lest peas
oars wire not i serried out, and the courts 'bed deeidedsthat
the r lay syn.= was not prevented. He never thought that
the clauses of the Twelve Hours would work with a Ten
Hours Bill. Ou the framer; of the measureewho had ur -
dertaken to regulate employment in rectories, must net the
blame of the diffieulties which had arisen. They supplied
the law and were responsible for it. The manufacturers and
millownere were not j ugly chargeable with having aught
to evade the lew. hluchsas they :night have objected on
premien to 1, gielstive interference with the hour of labour.
he heti. Ted he might 'declare with truth that they had, lair
then-04.page earnestly desired to carry out honestly the
Itentions o the 1 gislaturt. (Hear, hear.) Ile theught
trOnoble lord's pp. ech was on the whole marked by what
rfelit be celled a &misled anti seethe. ntal tone. (Laughter,
Ire m the house, tied " Hear, hear," from Lord Asnli y) It
wee not ati;,tech nand to the character of that assemble—
(ben, heer)—witich was a business and prettiest assembly.
dive, e. l nein, to whatever bore on is • physical ar.d morel
wel are of the bulk of the pepuhe ion, but not to be addressed
Mll:rat a wine n•• and impassioned imposts, end with a
Venue of re; resentetions which, he was certain, the nobk
lord hitos.lf wield, on calmer reflection, feel to have beer.
enggerated. Nit having the di tails of the cob's lord's
UV more before him, without saying that the law ought to
rem tin as it stood at mien*, he ehouhl reserve to himself the
right of offering any opposition which might seem to him
desirable on the second reading. (Hess, hear.)

Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that if the right hon. gentlemen
who bad just spoken did not represent the mantstaetur.th
of Manchester, he should be at . loss to theonelle hie conduct
with respect to the measure under consideration with the
motion rf which he had given notice, with regard to the
instruction of the working elutes. There were tow gentle-
men who traversed more through the manufacturing dis-
tricts than he had, and he could a•ure the house that he
WWI Iptrfeetly astonished at the misery that he found
to mast there. The honourable gentleman the member
for Manchester should, wnen he went down to his consti-
tuents, apotopise tor the vote which he wee about to give
on the bill. He defied env man to come to a oonclualoa to
♦ots against the proposition of the noble lord. without being
looked upon as an enemy to the circulation of knowledge and
the eountay in general. The hon. member concluded by
stating that he need scarcely have offend any ebeervation on
the subject after the powerful speech which had been made
by the noble lord the member I.r Bath.
Sir It. H. INOLIS said that be did not eke for the par-
.

pose of lattliDt into the temper of the speech of the
hon, gentleman who had just sat down, but to defend, If any
defence was necessary, his noble (tined from the clime
made by the right hun. gentleman the member for Man-
chester, who accused him of yielding too much to his enthu-
siastic seal. He believed that nothing good was ever effected
in this world, except by enthusiasts. Every reform that had
been made had been carried by men who, when they sgi.
Wed, were looked upon "u enthusiasts. The speech
which had been delivered by his noble friend, and which
was designated by the right hon. met._ her for Man-
chester as that of an enthusiast, was filled with fare
which perhaps that tight hon. gentleman may yet
have an opportunity of contradictiog. Whether
his noble friend had been an enthusiast or tot, it was quite
clear that in three years after he brought forward his fen
Hours bill, there were fitty night schools established in
Leeds.
Mr. BRIGHT uid that all must admit that the bill pro.
posed to be brought in was intended to settle what was in
some degree au nneatist.cory s•ate of the law. He bad not
risen for the outpost of enuring into the main qui stion, but
ra'he r to express an c pinion, which be was anxious to do at
that early stage of tee disettsion, on a point which he
thought to quite as much importance as the question of the
particular words to he introduced into the bill, or the 'sect
time during which factories were to ne permitted to work
He was, es the hones knew, connected in bulkier+ wilt
concerns which cam under the operation of the Factory
Act, and of one thing he was most thereughts
convinced, "tamely, that for the beneficial working of any
factory legislation, it was of the first importance that it
should pass that hems end become law, with a fair amount
of concurrence on the part of the Pm; layers es well as ot the
employed. Or.e of the great faults of the Ten Hours' Bid
was that it had not had that ancurreece en the part of
the employing close; and, without entering into sty di•.
cession as to the hours. he would merely state that
from his own experience and observation he could
assure the house that the wrrking classes did not
guin as much by the concession of half an hour
or even of an hour in the time of warkinr, as they

would pin by the operation of a law which was re-
ceived by the employers u a fair law, aid which the em-
ployers generally were willing to carry out in s fair spirit.
(Hear.) He had k',own many cases lemo It, and, it be
were at liberty to state detail+, he could coneinee the house
that there were many cases sit which the working people in
many concerns had been placed under disadvantages which
they would not otherwise have suffered if this law Imo
tot been carried to that extreme leneth which created
hsetileafeelings on thepart of the capitalist dawn, nod induced
teem to abstain (and the to were cases in wtich they did ab-
stain) from eaters., into • system of co-operation with the
working people, which would he beneficial to them, and
which would have ask n glace if the estrangement
which had arisen out of the law had not existed
( Hear.) The noble lord had proved • great deal too
much. Let him look hack to the year 1841, when
the right hon. baronet the Mt other for Tamworth was in
office. The nianu'acturing distri :is were tin it in deep dis-
tress, end hon. gentlemen cppotite Wesel almost to credit
the heartrending details of the 'off( rises co the people.
Atter the pod harvest of I'i42, some improve.
mut was visible ; and in 1h43, 1644, and 1845,
a great change took place, and it was observable that the
chapels and the schools were much better ateehded. That
imp "resent arose from causes which null woe he traced to
soy tat ory act, and whether the act of 1817 had passed or
n-c, aid other changes had taken place which did take
;due, the improved condition of the people woad here been
hardly distinguishable from that which existed at the present
memett. Ile thought that a prop Won on the ants;
tioa introduced by the cot le lord should have
come bet .re the house in sine shape or other,
such for this reason, that mole r the present system
the adult men ha.. some ground of complaint, inasmuch as
the m. rain of from hell past five o'clock, a m , Lt half past
eis ht n'emek, p.m., showed that a man may bra induct et. it
not forced, to w rk more than 12—aye, more than 12 hours
per day. Under the restrictions which had been fix. don
lab or the employers were disposed, perhaps, to go a little
further than they were inclined before this legisliwion had
lesion place. Mills had b. en worked under the system of
relays, and the men were worked tee whole of tee time while
the mills were at work. The condition of thus men wee,
then ore, worse than it was before this act was passed,
' when they were never asked to work mere than twelve
hour.. Under these severe restrictions relays were intr. -
dewed, and adults were works I more than twelve hours. He
stmuid be sorry that a practice should arhe from any Con,'
whatever which would compel men to workirnore than 12 or 13
hours per day. Ile would now ask the noble had wheth. r,wi h
the i Ounce which he possessed out of doors, representing as
be did • large number of persona on this question, not a few
of whom were willing to take • fair and a bread view of the
question, it would net be pos-ihl- to come to some arrange-
ment which you'd meet with the concurrence of the rational
of all parties. The hon. gentleman concluded by observing
that it was for the purpose of bringing ahnut this freeing and
this =As of settlemeet that he made this alyeal to the noble
lord and to the house. (Hear.)
Mr. AOLION HY said that this question was ins cf rra
ann and argument, as well u of humanity mud good feeling.
He agreed wi h the hon. gentleman who had just sat
dower, in thiaking that some degree of harmony should
(last between the employers and the employed, et the
suns time that he differed wi h him in the conclusion
that if iasteed of a ten hours bill, they were to allow tee
op ratives to work for 11 hours or Ili he ore, they would be
• bit nearer to that harmony which the hoe. member was
Minn conscientiously desirous of producing.
Len J. MANNERS said that after the Flinches which
had been made on this matter he fat bound to state that he
std those who supported th:s bill were quite resolved that
there should be no compromise. He said that without the
!east degree of heat, and without the ornallesc araiety to
produce any ill-feeling between the classes who would be
ads coed by this bill. The people of Lincashire, Y. fleshier,
Steuart, and the north of Ireland hat at (moth see r many
years working obtained what may 'e properly designated
their Magna Charts, and they were resolved not to yieid one
tittle or iota of it, and in that restive they would be
backed by those representatives who essi.ted ise the passing
of the Ten Hours Bill, and were now pr. pared
to vindicate the course they hail taken. (Herr, bear.)
Mr. W. J. FOX perfectly agreed with the hon. moth r
for Manchester, that • satistectery settlement of this
question lows have the concurrence of the employer
and tho employed ; for not only was there the
difficulty that arose fr m the di te 'mired pursuit
of a cerwia object, against any compromise which should
affect the ten hours, but there was also thi difficulty, that
no plan was so likely to meet the views of all parties, se •
reallocation of the scheme which had been to/Uteri to exist,
whis h certeinly did exist in the generally understood inten-
tions of the legislature ; and which hail the concurrence
of so large a proportion of those by whom the operatives
were enrielot ed. Ho thought that these who resorted to the
shift system were an exception to the role. The it spec-
ters had taken the ['pinions of masters and operatives on the
different suggestions which had been made. Mr. Homer
had taken the opinions of upwards of 50 misters. He found
that 20 of them put. rred 10 hours, 22 preferred 11 hours,
wed 15 inferred 12 hours, The same Maputo, had taken
the opinians of men and women employed in the factories.
The total number consulted was 1,163; the number of men
was GM. Ot those 051 male operatives, 441 were for the
10 hems system, 96 foe the 11 hours,and 114 for the 12 hours.
O 502 women, 272 wire for 10 hours, 51 ter II hours. and
179 for 12 home. So that the greater numb rof melee and
females preferred 12 to 11 hours. lie also miireded in the
opinion of the hon. member for klancheiter es to the cause
at the present state of Minas in the m•uulac uri• g districts.
Ile did not regard the 10 hours as the cause
of the present state of things; ere ascribed it
to those measures which had made fowl more cheap
and more abondent, but be would remind the hon. member
at the time time that the ore change would have enducod
these results, had it not been we impacted by the other, end
that no cheapness of fond could have given to the opt r owes
the improvements of education and chamfer, of widen they
had not been neglectful. He trusted that the noble lord
who had introduced this discussion would adhere most
strictly to his terms of not deviating one heti+ breadth from
what had been understood to be the deeign of the eniaturcut
of the law as it now existed.
Lord R. GROSVENOR, who was very indistinctly
heard, mid that he should not have said a single. word if it
.tsinti.a.dm.tubeiutraiboLunial.fioiserth;aeswseurhnri,tleihnhoehw,
.h6limeth,,klaf.eyeal...ofgrbeimbmr.,t,uhi
jei.:h,rimtrob;ih,trryhtirnal.
the 0.10 of the joueneymem baler+, in the Wk et Riding ef
Yorkshire wee told he was a consanuist. These accusat.oes
uo used to throw a sort of shadow ost tho
of thou who had shown oho' sort of opposition to the nide
lord. lie expressed hie malefaction et the 'pooch, s which !lad
biers made, by independent members thee evening. lied iics-
ehiog hod dam; ed his expectatinne but the speech of the
Secretary of St to for the 1/ one Dthartment
S.r J. GRAHAM explaitud that when thothill wit under
viscuoior, he had, althoupt reluetanely.oorsethed to admit
se clause prohibiting the 't stift'folyete tn, on the ground that
the measure would bo otherwise nugatory. Ho dot net
wish to r. vice the a. g:y oentrevere ire that were then woe.%
but telieving the intention of the art at first, and of lewd
Ashley hew, was to prevent the machinery of futuirs 1,9101
working more than ten hours a day, his persuasion was only
strtoptu, ned.by longer reflection that the operatives thesis-
with s tamale' ultimately confess that it did the us harm ratita
than good. interference with employment was at all macs
Lahteliceteand dangerous eperati
Mr EDWARDS was untie ritL.o.l to say that the opera.
'tine of Yorkshire and Ltheashith hy all constioutioaal
mein., meant so to Improve oa the t.ov.rameht the nrCti•
site of keeping faith with the promo, rs of the bill of
1847, that it would he impossible to resist it much longer.
Cola', I THOMPSON sod that when this (pinhole wee
first brought under discuilion, he was oppet d to it, consi-
dering it tai he as attack on shy manotacturing icterest
Time had gone by, end pother the oerition if things hail
changed. Ile had received instructions hem his consth
Meats of various kinds; the operative eaters certainly;

from various ducripti ens of snanutactueing oaputatm„. ia4
it did to hat pm that all these eommunicseion. minted one
way. They all said that they were anitiOUS that the Ten
Hour. Bill should be restored to its Integrity, and they par_
ocularly represented the interest they felt in that part
which should give employment to all at the seine time ; for
they said that they had art on toot inatitotions her education
and improvement of various kinds, the carry eon on success.
fully of which did depend mainly en tho point, that all in
their employ should be liberated at one mid the use hour.
(Hear, bear.)
Lord ASHLEY replied. It Fad been said that the relay
*sateen had been practised be a small minority. It tad on
found footing at all in the West Riling, and in 3,000 mills
there would not he found 200 firms that had practised the
relay system, and he would take the part of le:pestling his
approbation of the manner in which the mast. r minutia.
titters had received this, act ; bad carried it into effect, and
of the manner in which they bad come forward to declare
their opinion. He declared most solemnly, on hisirmon-
sibility as a man, that there was no one thing he had more
desires! in the conduct of this measure, ahioh he had
carried on for 17 yeah*, than the restoration of harmony and
good feeling hePeeen the employer and the am; toyed,
He wee un *Ming to take any c Aim which the opponaaes of
the bill would ray woe unfair; but anted they slew this
matter to go over Euter ? There
which the p; ople telt so deeply, and to sel iah they would de-
vote so memo, even to their lives. He would throw fie on the
rasporonleility of the government as to a hen this ree,ture
ttowolT'eind delay.what hsAcllltbahkethEl:e rawtil
wan to be Mare( d of, and he called tu them, it nip., rem,.
cow
ein to himeelf, so long as they tad onlined
ot hone
ma
bdf members.
ees
Pie::: s'Wtel peace,a
rgrg og hem with sentimenealityete noel.. hue
left their remarks unnoticed ; hut when the one spoke. or Ina
as n " hire d allatiea's," and the otta r sedu he ass no inner
than a socielist, all he could say was that he retuic.4 to took
a triseeifeseation of the feeble/eels 01 their cause, hen .4 they
had been compelled to adopt the old and coarse mode of
argument, that ii you can't confute sour antagetiet, you
must anus.leim. (Cnner#.)
Mr. BRIGH said that the noble lord I:sd and, r.t,.,d a
word he had used in a since which he bad not II ;tea it to
bear, a..d wit n, atter uttering it Made. gently, he p .sewed
that it had ma le an unpleasant io resei,e en
his mind, he had retracted the expresse.o, art seed
the word "pledged,' and the w.ble 14d we. 1.-eng en
unlit advantage, hi cl. slug his speech with the oh:Lunen
he had just made. (Cheers
A't.r a few words from Mr. W. BROWN, kiln Was given
to bring in the hill.
Sir H. INGLIS said, that before the other lodic.a ef
m• 1. n we re proceeded with, he wished to ask I i• ti.tie hon.
trend. tree m =bee kr Bute' to what MI he pro, need to
put off the nortlrcitlf e on the Harriette' Bill ?
Mr. tiTI:ART WORTLEY said that at parent to had
no intentionoer:tir frit efi at

S.r It. INGLIS slid he should take th• 'tree of the
hoes, a to whether it should be proceeded ulth alter 11
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/FILES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGALONS BILL.
l'E UO mo red 1.. r leave to :,nrg m ■ '• antler
more rimy e and of evual the deer by wl..th uo.kng •' ions
-r boeit Lts, P r purposes of reliross weed.,
E gland and 'A slee, braid property nolo r
pso s." Ile shoed only ill to show
domed, and take any debate on icon the ItCWI.I rte
Leers was g:ven en bring in the b:11.
Mr. HAYIER moved to app 41,e the C. me ittre c.n Er.
pinag lawr:—Mr. fluter, Mr. To:t r.l, Mr A!,,T.r.ry-
Gen. ra, Mr. B rail. Kr. imam% the Lad A :v. .'t, Mr.
Raise, Mr. itabllschy. M. •Mselc•cs4. B 1...., Mr.
Greene, Mr. Rion, Sir George Clerk, r John Yu... 4, -cd
Mr. Bt.fford.
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Mr. BOUYERIE moved for a "ee'ect corrtt.:its •,.
into and report beam house on the tart.t., o et ....it. t.
courts of law 111'1 ccoity by tee es Lett', .1 et b..,
amoiv.t thereof. and the nude ut toil coo tr..;
prialteno: fica in nouns cf law and y. stet r.:..
emirs, atu. in t. a mutts of gent rd a: d • ;...1 s.
En.41.n.1 Wales, a d in the etc!•
mute cf tdc..iral•y, and as to the sa:.rite I • • •
by the • illc•re of tttie courts, a- d .Lever e•
titans could be aece:ed with a view at suer :1 .1
reautatieg the e htc ton and &pis, oi.ri,•::on
Toc tr..e:a of tile eak were toe. prec e .• d alr a.
time c -nitration to• k b1ac.,•.1 to et elf • r
Trus•a Ed', the 13.• ates Lyng. g (Ireland) L....
Judgmea., (Ire lard) HAL vitich ',ow • u toe • 14, •
CAM. on to night, and I. was ue,ctatoo. as". th ; •
TITLES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION,"
LAND) BILL.
This b.ll passed through committee.
HIGHWAYS BILL.
On the motion for the second reading of this 1..
Sir W. JOLLIFFE raid that uo one mot- • .
he dill Inc an amendment in the mod.. in we. • •:
roads was manaxed, but he objected •Is I.
pervaded the bat, wh:ch litt• the whole tu•• .•• •
v c • etlu•sive duke:ion col toe guardians ul
con:•ndtd, were rot qualified to •
=may. lie e( old re.tt see al.)
the appointment of a separate bocrl • f •
lie tru,td that the boa. member ter r
to reter lie bill to • et lect committee.
Mr. RICE, teat bound to press the record r t.
bon. hal/riot's obj•ctims could b.: test data, ._
mitten.
S:r 0. STRICKLAND opposed the bia, :s
aireeeing a cher:etc,.
Dir. HENLEY tut-pested the postpnnere.•e•
until weer Eater. The trincipL. had Men
in parliament.
Sir J YAKINGTON feared that the hi'.:, if
until atter Eatar, would be v:rtuall
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Mr. HILDYARD had a very grave O.
pmed b 11. It wire+ the whsle cwt.: lutT, e
nau, s of the poo:d.aw au .rdians, wt.) w u•,:. :
tiva to profu.a ell), nditure in hathe...... i :
empley meat fir the poor. He coActir;ed in
for pre frown rut.
Mr. AGLION BY warmly euppe rt. a .r., !,,
that aosurnmssat would mixed wets it Wl'... .11
as pa.rib!...
Mr. HOULDSWORTU suported the h.:.
Attsr a few wows trom Mr. P. ilusean:. 1:-.1
HABILIS,
Mr. C. LEWIS did not eee the, arc a :ran-
arise from turf Iv r rev penement et the 1.1.1 it. • ..;
1:111111610111 o,l3LlMltlie/IIOLII which carve: et t: 1.1:a
1 21•41 prieuirlTl tee ITei genera, cmciarr:see ....Lt.
country.
Mr. HODGSON was decidedly woe i r) tits frit c
of the bill, tut ur.red that it be read ...C4:4 time that .1,7
six month..
Col. SI STHORP seconded the amendment.
Mr. CARDWELL i.quired what.,[ tee bid woe
ic.u'd sat o :elude those districts which were .t.liu -
under rye. i__l acts if r atliament.
Mr. LEWIS said it was not intended t , iv ::-.1 II
tion of the bili to stay districts which Kw:n....1 .
under any loc.! se,.
Mr. MAIO:CST called &Monti n to the writ.
of the roads in Cumberland.
Sir G. STRICKLAND could cot answer 'or :an
but kr.,w that in To:est:ire ycu might ri :.• or
wi•hout Navin; recision to clad fault. II : . i:.,••
continual intr,asu of paid agents, and ICU.: ,u
amendment.
Sir G. GREY reminded the her. gtr.7l.
IMAM that this larae st idiot p ,id e ttl..crs cur:.
nut hays to or motel, but already existed u
of guardian,. (Hear, hear.) The or ly ii.': :
•IleTl pot, as snit, il by Lis hon. Inci it who i
bill. As particu:ar pars of the country h id.
mu t o.,serve th .t the highways in N r.h. :
tar fr.,m satis,se,cvy. But he knew ill it is to .
of the eeutttry a triry great desire trended t. r
sysrem of ni,intaining the highways. tit ,r. '
Mr. P BENNET r supported the stai.nuid
-Mr. FREW EN also suppor-ed i..
Mr. DEILDES, 0, deving that the obe, ai
the bill would be expunged in committee. w, e
are' tad res.:few.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE objected to it as pert led 14
the pacer law.
Mr. AI•DERLEY thought that as t!: •
!Alerts re:wilily eorceded—at lea!, t• e • '
such as might be fairly raised in commit:, •
time t. direuss it further.
Mr. FARR ER so:anted to the bon. men
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point sr d rive hi, own surveyor as he tll
ttobelelisHorteNaLwE.lr-e'stiod offal.: co.objeeetxte•iTsire ' tes.i' '
eerier*, 010 size of which wail in many cats al

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The hmwe then divided.
For the ..rood reading
Against it
On our re-schnissiou into the grUery, the h0u.... w
.wediug with the
CHIEF JUSTICES' SALARIES BILL
which st-,ei in the . rders of the day tor s.c ~.t! re
Mr. OOULBU lIN uked the Att. r. r-:
the WU ma to any dd.:ream in the retiring 11.•. sf
chief jaa'i.•ee.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL ohi r
queolicre fur the consicteratiusi et th. g.,v, r,...
ta;nly the pleat nt hall did not drol
toi.mst c s The marinmes of the retiri, t; a 4,
ale br sr et pa• Lament.
Mr. MULLINOS thought this bill ou F I. •
proc:•rdcd wi i ute.ti a return which 110 i
hi. lately Lue t t move for, of the app tt•
cur:. of justices, and thesaluimatte
been made. Ito was of this ou•, • , ...
eslery is .ome sure depended upon
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Mr, ROUNDELL PALMER cau•i
going too teat is the rediattiou .of
moat kat...rant that threevhigh I die.. 5,..0
they had 114therto b• en, by mea a the
aosi moat tandouhled integrity.
Mr. SPOONER reialt was 17 sears a'
ha I been mule L thief Jima
wt.nl4 any ens may Cott a smaller •al•rc • it'.l
sufiletent, at the large and fr, n. r.l r tt
hot bean made L e tl.e interval. lie ree,tret t
bill should be peepsned, till the haus•
nits' of couri•lering tvt r general reducti.n.
Sir O. ORKY add the house might au
for the incre.oe, rather than the raa, :10 ••
hear 1• was to reduce the La t.t.• I. I t
Janice liNrir 10 0001. to 8,0001. ; eel to • .e.
werld In effect be to earetiane the stl.oy
amount. (11,ar, hoer ) It also prop a
tinltio of tho 11 air of the Chief •."'
P.e,a nf
o 1,0001 year.! The &tails w,,uid b LK:t.t
eared in corami:tee.

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