The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS7TcuDAT,..Jows 11.

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COURT OF CHANCERY (COUNTY FALATINIi
LANCASTER BILL.
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COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL.
Oa themetiew of BM 013 T the ham west into com-
mittee on this bill.
Lord MONTEAGLE end that in sublaittiag the abeam
if Will he had given notice, he was shout to html below
their lordships • matter of great impetuses to the
Autralian colonies, and to the honest sad credit of then
lordship' judgment. The gelation was whether. their lord-
ship. were pre/need to adopt the preempt' of • ,
Mile chamber, or whether they oold mart to the
eM constitivional principle of • doable chamber,
numinous to the constitution of this country.
The noble earl stated last night that the people of New
Beath Wales were in favour of their present enstienties of
a angle chamber ; otherwise he had the opiates of the noble
earl himself in favour of his propeitien. He weld easily
prove the advantages of two ehemben is all ease", end that
Ik. people of New South Wales preferred two chaseben of
canna goverment. It was read that there were epeeist
-name why the Marano Gamin should be exempted
hom the geaml rule which tree:ailed Meeker'. There
wit • wide esperfeece to reeler to em this nitien; they had
the experience of our vast colonial peessesions, and although
in some Miami ear colonies bad rinunemed with one
chamber, whys they had nfileiently advanced in eapabilides
they Ind feverishly adopted two. Oar colonies had always
shows as attachment to the constitution of the mother
country. The noble lord quoted Lord Broapane's book oa
Colonial Policy," in proof of his tuition, and
prone cod to say that this quaion of colonial
constitution had been virtually set led in the de.
bate no the coestitution of the Canaan in 1791,
when Mr. Fri: stated that say second chamber in • colony,
chosen in any mean. would be batter than now; see
although Upper Canada had only 10,004 iamb:tants, Mr.
Fox, Mr. Pitt, Mr. Burke, and their coatemponries, felt
assured that, for the enential pap*, of pod government
and mad legislation, a second chamber shou'd be costa
Wished. The phi" be I then referred to the United States,
to show that in so instance is the whole of that great cup.-
risestwas there a government by a Mille chamber. Mr.
Justice Stogy and Mr. Chancell‘r Kent. two most distia.
pushed lawyers in Antenna. had b ith expreseed opinions in
favour of two chambers, and the NMI!' refereed to the
unhappy example of • single chamber in France
Mr. Junin Btovy also mentioned that two of
the states, Georgia sad Corollas. in which originally
there bed bees one chamber. had been obliged to resort
to the principle of two. The United States were, therefore,
as much in favour of • dune chamber as the noble earl
(Grey) hinteelf, sad the first witness he ettoold nil in favour
of the principle wee the noble earl, who had been a dealer
in colonial coestitutioes. First, there was the constitution
for New Zealand, which contained a provision for a second
chamber, and that was applied to a state of society
certainly nut higher or so numerous se that of New
Smith Wales at the present: tire. (Hear, hear.)
In 1.17 the noble earl introdne n 1 a bill geeing a eoLstitution
to Aug:relit, which involved the priselple of • double
chamber :ad that was the deliberate opinion of the noble
earl at that period. Now if Australia was fitted for two
in 1!-17, did not the propels made since then is
that calory, on which tle noble earl rrided himself, show
the. it le-s now, in 1930. better fitted for two chambers en
in 1,47 Hesr, hear.) He could not approve
of the measures tan at the eine is resisting Use
orders of the Colonial Secretary, to make that a convict colo-
ny but it was to that colony that the wage lord gave this
better government of two cbaab n. With the example of
the Cape before them WAS tun. ant roasts to doubt whether
a sicele chamba would work well in our Australian
Monies It was not wise to prophesy at any time : and to
make an evil prophecy was sometimes the cause of bringing
about the evil predicted; bat he meet say that he did lode
with great sad unbounded alarm at the result. of • Mete
chamber in the Australian colonies. The noble lord con
clan led by moving an amendment tor tae adoption of •
until" chamber emceed of a single one.
Earl (SHIM said, that having trespased at such length
on their lord-hips' attention on the previous night, he aid
sot feel called on to fol:ow the noble lord through the various
questions he hat touched on, particularly as the noble lord
in the wb le eating of his spiech, and of Lis eleborate exami-
nation of the principle of two chambers, bad nu touched
on the real argument which he (Earl Grey) had addressed to
their lordships on the previous night. The noble lord had
not shown how it was ?unlike to adopt his view and divide
the legielature of New South Wales lace two bodies
without dying in the nee of the recorded wishes of
the colonists themselves. (Hen, hew.) As a minister
of the crown he most certainly tour dee.ine to send out •
completely different system of 1-":11 lion without its having
been first considered and approved of by the olefins. He
therefore hoped their lordships would Stipp et him In the
principle of Lot disturbing that which was work:ag well in
New South Wales, but of leaving it practically unlettered,
unless, fir as the colonists Amu:ores ha I expressed a desire
for alteration.

Lord ABINGER observed that with the strong tendency
to democracy already safeties in the colony, ha had no doubt
that the power gives by this bill would greatly encourage it,
to the dissouresement of the best interests in the colony.
Lord LYITELTON sincerely hoped the house would
adopt the simple words of his noble friend's amendment,
leseir.a the details to he carried out by the colonists.
Ears St. GERMANS opposed the amendment, oh.
terrine that a iris Whey Ten through his no►le friend's
lloateagle a speech, ter while be declared his object to be
to give a secJad and eleilve chamber to the colonists. be
said at the sew time that he yids:4 to make their iastitn•
Mons identical with nun.

Lord WODEROUSE feared that a run error was about
to be remained. It their frdahipe bettered that there were
radical dew:a in the eettati:utioa of Autralia—that they
ewe about to loroake the tried pathos( Irgiolatioa, the ea-
perireoe of 000stittelettal tumnesseut, ear the I:wiener
or the coaatitatios of Eorlead, and that they were about to
give to the Auatrdiaa eoloaiee ireituloas +hilt were out
NA to apply to the *mien at la- re, they would adopt the
ammdates, propoettl by his aohle sit. ad
Tie house divided—
For the saeadistat
Agaisat

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Oa mantises to the gallery, ere foetid
Lul GREY isoria, the ma:soils frau the 11111111111 et the
words " .:this the districts at lac.tiats."
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The motion was adopted, and the cf sus, screed to.
us clause 5, which re?slates Lie franchise, having been
-end,
Earl GREY said mere was a very general feeling is the
colony in favour of a re inetios of the franchise. and that in
framing this claw* he had f Ilnw, et the .sisting law, sorely
lower:Di the amount of the franchise.

Tn.clause am aimed te. -
Oa Mame 6 hieing proposed,
Ear: O&EY said that tnis chest •ppii•d only to the
'satsuma aomisee council; but s. their Lordships had now
agreed to sodas* the froutchim in New S .nth as saw
no moon why the franchise in Van Otemen's Land and
Smith Australia should not be the some a that proposed for
the other c

The clause was postposei, in ,:rier that the alteration
skim be made.
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77.,suis 7 sos agreed W.
On clause O hemg proposed,

L,rd MONTEiHLE otr%re•ti 'he ICtOrdiOß to this
&toe se Amy %ere unit) e rate ail Ile expenses it
wood haws • eaaatitution c Wetted upon it. He thought
thi. unjust.

Earl 011E1 said the principle ireovaiss4 by the claws
wits as uktiest as* ettbeßritiabc3aatitsuoit, •ad he believed
• smon4 owe.

Lwd MONTEAGLE iatimoted that he woald not propose
soy amendment, bat mill he thought it impolitic to fetter a
aeloay, sad to Mum it reprewatative irovernment, be-
ams* it might be a►le to provide 9.4 I I 0001. • year, and
fast 14,000/.

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'tor ui kw words fro. Earl Iri's +Miss, Eat Grey. end
Lend Lytte.tos, tee thugs was wad ift, WO Welt those
des b eollowsd,stto 16 iselrir.

—On else*, 17,'" ibh sYlfroiffistata of soma linthted."
AIM LYTTELTON in reference t) the minimum fixed
fte 3rd pan of matedule C, for tb • maintenance of pabbe
WorshiP in Van Dirmen's Lind, thought it would be better
to :vivo the fusstioa of the amount of ;.ecianiary support to
appropriated to this purpose to the vicinities themselves,
who woe:d to all probebility provide what was woman,
but if an amlunt was tined as ■ miniossm at waa to be
fear‘d that that sem would be regardel as the maximum
on,ler all eireumatanees.

1..r1 (iftEY reminded their loeishipe of the taxing
powers of the other house; and wi•hint saying woe-
titer the suggestion, if elupted and iiirerted as an
eetedrecnt, would be considered es a breach of the privi-
imp • of tha• house. he considered there was no necessity for
opening the rigeetion, or to alter the bd. as it cood. The
prixeiple of the bill wit to le ive ell existing interests rie
diey txunrt thou; and with regard to religions establisit-
Mente, it n he iiirlieult to pr .vide for ritirtair interests
Nelms they, west the leruith Ins bill provided. Ba-
the incumbents, there we•• (hatches, gado r •
meate, arid whir intereva +etch had grown •x,
mid for the wsi Atomic" of vrtuth, actor ing to the
grineinle of the metier,, provision must be undo.
Tog that porno'e the arrangement proposal wee neceseuy ;
sod he trusted their lordships w ,old ant litturb it (hear.)
The elause proceeded oe the principle that the existing
egranzvanti,ta wt-uld ; the gorernor conlo
tineenione, reduce the stlarierx Re had given notice of en
amen.illlent, which he would now move—via. to substitce
tbe word oditminnel••" kNi the word " alteration" in regard
to judicial siderite.

TA• amc ndasest es, Warted, tad the slum, al amended,
;nava. _

01 up.. 18 and 19 w•r• 18me4 to.

Th. 4•ll** op to 24 were postponed (as we understood).
sad War Ai was weed 10.
Lod LYTTELTON roe to oboe* the clown of
wh.ett t.e had trine notice, "that ths governors of
Vieoeia, Nee &oath Wales, Von Dienten's Liao,

eel erth Australia irt optetl4l, with the advice ..!
tit. sttelatioo so Keil to be .411fIliik4 la th- calory
• U.I. Het. tve :I .4Ve to repeal a 3 or an;
pa., of the acne of 6 and 6 V.e..rie. and 9 and
19 Vteturta, for the t0401.u.50 of UN sale of land
oe oy orders in c ant t wed by rya Majesty in
ydir.o•ce. of tout. ws or of thou, and to auk
foro•-.r vrevielons foe th. on 4 airstarat of tba said waste
WO, sad die aopropriatinte ul Ma 111•4111•411 arising there-
/reit. "• lle sail tta nia •rptooni .a gavotte Atbe riot:did -
of a timed astrona prioc lii the aeoeld leads semairted