The Express.
London, England, 1868-11-16 00:00:00

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triumph. (Appanage.) It would be essisadie(y to me if
the aranties and towns of England, fleotlend, and Ire.
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bad rrating
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the work of rem% and the work of permarrepos for
the throne and UM lOssis of the hid—(hear)--and
et I war, compelled I. mooned that Smith Lancashire
bed spoken in =adverse tam had spoken only with
feeble 'ad ia of
support this great
and noble ilatrtisare," : 140 In enstasylor share in the
good work. (Applause.) Leave no unturned, leave
no effort unmade, to that you are made of the sum
material—that which, prevailing through the country.
makes England great Mid Maar—Omar hear)—gives
rennet in the world—reerset f both on the
power it pommies in itself and upon its se-
knowledyment that them is something in dod's
creation better and belief than power, and that is the
acknowledgment of justice as between man and man—
(loud cheer)—and the Inn determination to govern,
with equal rights and equal interest in the laws of the
country, all the subjects of her Majesty in whichever of
her three kingdom' they may reside. (Lowi cheers.)

MR. GLADSTONE AT WAVERTREE.
On Saturday evening Mr. Gladstone and Mr.
°mutell addressed a large mesting in the Assembly-
rocms, Wavertrea. The building holds about 000 persons.
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and many were unable to obtain admission.
In regard to the policy proposed by himself 'and
that of his opponents with regard to the Irish
church, Mr. OLAMITOWE raid:--I propose to destroy
the protestant church! Why, these general officers
are the men that you man
to kill the bishops.
(Laughter.) Whenever you get them to say anything
at all, they say they will support reforms in the protestant
church; and if you can by any possibility—and I
admit it is very difficult—get them to say what they
mean by those reforms, you will find they mean
meesacreing a certain number of bishops and clergy.
(Laughter and applause.) Now. what I want to know is
this : What does the protestant church consistin Y I should
say it consists in the first place in its belief, in the second
place in its constitution and its discipline; and therefore
in its constitution and disciphne, if it is an episcopal
church, I cannot help admitting that its bishops and
clergy are part of the protestant church. And yet these
gentlemen who tell you we are going to destroy the pro-
testant church are vrilliucaarbfain, you can get them to pro-
fess any willingness at to sacrifice bishops and clergy,
we, on the other say we don't want any
sacrifice of bishops and clergy—we wish that the
members of the church should determine what bishops
and clergy they require, and that all those bishops
and clergy should, like the rut of the subjects of her
Majesty, be. respected and protected. (Applause.) But the
allegation as that we are to destroy, and that I, who am
the arch offender, am endeavouring to destroy the
protestant church. When ion strip that phrase of the
outer clothing, what does it mean ? It means this—that
we propose to take away the ecclesiastical
religion
of the
nation, which was given to supplant the re of the
nation from a mall minority that has monopolised it for
three hundred years, and that has no right and no title to
continue that monopoly. (Applause.) What are them
endowments? Our fixsude seem to think that a church
does not consist in the articles of the Christian faith, does
not consist in bishops end clergy, does not con gist in
an attached and devoted laity, but consists in the
pounds shillings and pence that the law gave to it,
and that the law can take away. (laughter and cheers.)
Well, but we join issue with that, and we contend that by
withdrawing endowments intended for the news of the
nation we do not touch the protestant church, and that if
there is to be any charge or imputation at all of destroy-
ing or impairing the present church, it does not rest upon
us, who propose to leave it with its establishments, with its
clergy, with its members of congregations precisely as it
is, but it rests upon those who . propose in the name of
what they call conservative pnneiple to cut down the
number of bishops, to flu by arbitrary. rules of their own
the number of the clergy, and to deprave many possibly of
its scattered numbers of the ministrations that are now
provided for them, and who consider that in this pro-
ceeding they. are entitled to cast upon us a reproach
which, if it is to bo used at all, belongs entirely to
themselves. (Cheers.) But now, gentlemen, it is re-
markable that, as far as I know—l have complained
already that we have great difficulty in extracting anything
at all from the government, or tee supporters of the govern-
mint. upouthissubject. Why, I have not a conception of
their idem and intentions. Have you ? (Laughter.) I
don't believe you have. (Cries of "No, no.") And
there is a very good reason why you should not have any
conception, and that a that they have no knowledge of it
themselves. (Renewed laughter.) No word has been
spoken which in any degree binds the conservative party
to any particular course respecting the church in Ireland.
But what has been said is this. The prime minister said
last week—and in these times we are obliged to be thank-
ful for mall mercies, and I seise upon his few and vague
words with a readiness and promptitude that would per-
haps be better justified if they were clearer and more
explicit—they are the only words I can get, and I find
that what he assures us of is, that it is his intention to pre-
serve the constitution in church and state. (Laughter.)
Well, that being so, we Laving distinctly prupo-,d, as
far as the church is concerned, our plans. Peeving pro-
posed at other times eel plans with regard to the im-
portant question of the tenure of laud in Ireland. and to
many other great subject., all of which enter into the one
gland bush question, we naturally want to know, as the
I,oveinment, which ought to be above all things explicit,
shrouds itself in secrecy and reserve, and gives to us
nothing but this brief assurance, that it intends to preserve
the constitution in church and state- we want to know
what they mean by the "constitution in church and state."
(Hear, hear.) But in order to ascertain that I know but
one way, and it is this : lei look back to the former occasion
on which they have told us in exactly the same manner
that they meant to preserve the constitution in church and
state, to observe in what mode they construed their decla-
ration, and then like prudent men to argue that that which
has been will be again, and that when they refuse to use
explicit language, the best course we can pursue is this,
to obtain a light and an indication of the future from the
conduct they have followed in the past. (Cheers.)
The right 12013. gentleman reamed his scat amidst great
cheering.

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