The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-18 00:00:00

SPANISH VESSELS.

Upon the motion of Mr. ANDZIMON, the following ra.
turn watt ordered:

Return of the numbzr and tonnage of Spanish vessels
whiehentered inwards and cleared outwards at the ports of
the United Kingdom and the colonies, during the years
1818 and 1819, distinguishing the ports, the entrie. from the
c!esiances, the vessels in ballast from those with cargoes, and
also those clearing with igoes ot fish.
PRELIMINARY INQUIRIES.
Upon the motion of Mr. Gacy, the following return was
ordered:

Return of the number of preliminiu7 iogairies bell in
cases of applications for local acts, under 9 and 10 Victoria,
e. 106, and 11 and 12 Victoria, e. 129, stating respectively
the titles of the bill., the names of the surveying effivers
ploysd, and the number of days occupied in the prosecution
of each of these local examinations and inquiries.

mTr.HREELyONHOD-LoLslEpreU.T.EntNedAaNpiCTtitiOonFfrolHmEaLDA.4lgrDe.itate
meeting of the citizens of Dublin, signed by upwards of
10.000 of the inhabitants of all religious persuasions and
shades of polities, against the bill for abolishing the Lard-
Lieutenancy of Ireland.
Mr. GRATTAN presented four petitions from different
parts of Ireland, to a similar effect.
Lord J. RUSSELL—I now rise to make a proposal to the
house en • subject ,of the greatest importance, not only to
the administration of Ireland, but to the future welfare of
the United Kingdom. (Hear, hear.) Before I enter upon
the immediate subject of the motion which I have to make,
I wish t. clear away two misapprehensions which have been
sedulously circulated upon the subject of this motion. The
one is, that there is an intention at the same time, or im-
mediately afterwards, to remove the courts of law from
Dublin to Lonaon. I can only say that there was any
foundation for that report—that we had in postern.
plation suck a measure, one that would be so injurious to
Ireland and the bests interests of this country. (Hear,
hear.) The second rumour, spread through the means of an
anonymous publmation, is that the determination to which
her Majesty's government had come of making this proposal
is one of recent origin, and that it had grown out of proceed,.
logs which took place a few months ago en Ire-
land. Sir, I think it right to state that that report
is also totally without foundation—that, in fact, the
member. of the present government have (or a very long
time bad in contemplation the measure I now have to
propose, and that when Lord Clarendon went to Ireland he
went there on the distinct understanding that the office of
Lord Lieutenant should be, if parliament would concur with
us, totally abolished, and that whether that should take
plies in a few months, or be postponed until a later period,
must depend on the state of Ireland or on the opportunity
that might arise favourable to such a pr .position. (lieu )
Whether in or out of office, I would say that although I
thought it desirable, it should be left to the executive govern-
ment to chem. the time when it should he carried into
effect. I now proceed to the motion. I think no one
will deny, that upon the general principle of the two coun-
tries being united, there ought to be but one single adminis-
tration. (Hear, hear.) The course of that administration
must be more steady, more uniform, and more easily de-
termined on, if those who are to carry it on
have the opportunity of meeting constantly to-
gether, and arranging the measures which it may
be deemed advisable to adept. This was so strongly the
opinion el one of the greatest men this country ever pro-
duced, who took a great part in the revolution of 16118, awl
who was mainly instrumental in carrying out the Union with
Seotl sad, that he strongly objected to a temporary mainte-
nance of the Privy Council of Scotland after the union. We
lame in the Hardwick. papers, that have been pub.iahed,
the minutes of a speech which he addressed to the House of
Lords upon that occasion, a law words of which I will read
to the house, as bearing upon this question, and as sho wing
how strong was the opinion which that great man held on
the importance of having but one administration when the
parliament was united. The proposal was to give to the
council a condensate of several months, in reference to which
he said

True concern for preserving the public peace. heartily' &grow
of the union. No lew deeinnui to mute it entire and complete. Nut
at gl perfect while two political adminiatrationa pubis*. The deem
titg, of magland in to have the rang easy acia,i to the prince; to be
under the immediate palatial care of the prince ; and tot to owe
their protection net countenance to any mulawdinge lottitutlon.
This was my argument at Um Union. Will not prevaricate. Wong
Mate titer the Union, if • distinct admitintrAtion eitailnuo. Now no
parliament to resort to in Maitland. The marks uf dignmtlun wit
That is an extract of notes crisis speech, made by Lard
sown, in whose hands they received their elucidation.
There were reasons which, at the time of the union oh
Baalas4 and Inland, presented the government of that

day from taking the same course whisk had bath taken with
respect to the union with Scotland. Bat that cobra was
pointed oat in this house when the proposition for a salon
was broughtiorward. by blr.Sheridaa's alluding to the***
of Lord Swam, sad doctoring that the time for a union had
am yet arrived, Wowe they were not prepared to msks It
emnplate by uniting tee adeninistrotiona. When next pro-
posed we were in a state of war, and being so, It wee thought
seeessery to maintain an administration In Irehad, and have
some perms at the head of the executive there who wild
apply all the ammo of war spasm any enemy *at might
present hhaselL Bat it appears that at the done of the
of
the subject of the abolitioa of Uth olio*
of Lord Voutenont was taken into • coosideration
by the sovereign who then ruled the destinies of this *nutty.
I have been kindly furnhkei with a letter, addremed by
George 111. to Kr. Addington, showing hat although he
thought it expedient to oontlnueAtie °Mos of lordlieutenant
he was of opinion that its abolition might be wisely adopted
at a fetus tines •
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Mr. rust hot think that the Leg will ansenearily
take up his time with lettere; bat, as dm wart of ass hairy, It
waddle highly wrong le hove enytham smiled tilt emu The
men the king taken en the aonverestles of hat night swine pen.
=vseviliemeate, the way he spasm et them. MO he biomes
M hang anhol es seinen the asieniA say.seessmsy re-
ars at the Moan Cornwallis ham IreleaL IS well knew many
have thesight the lake of Loni.lieutesont siselienimaile SIM on
such on egeft. The hinge oldster k 4eszt yetthat maybe pew, but Mat at meant it nee Mup that
office with apemen that shall clearly undefeated thst the mita has
closed tie retga at Irish jobs; that be le a Inn el preident ot the
wawa there; that the panilme taw be open toils rests-
menattice, bat weft entirely be lidded be Ibribral. Earl
lf he tea ho pererda, is the msa whore beaver. rectltuteaeria
brataese, le bent calculated for that Ptak., perbaularly bus hie
love for the Whim protons son, to whin be le span retuned.
That shows clearly that George 111. was of opialoa that at
a future time the office might be abolished, and that the per-
, tons qualified for it were persons who belonged to the
military profession, and who could commend the
' military forces of the country. The question now
nears therefore whether the time hu c doe when, as lug.
gated by taro. 111., the office might be abolished. In coo-
sidering that question I shall first advert to the general
reams which rem to ma to make such on t ffice
lead for the government of Ireland, and nest to the parti-
cular objections that may be made to such an office. I thick
then can be no doubt that it must be better that the persons
who have to carry on the alminis: ration of Ireland should
be able to have aural intercourse with those who
are carrying on the general government of the
country—an arrangement which is found to he of se much
use it all the other departments of administration.
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When I was in the governme;St of Ireland, I always felt the
difficulty of being obliged to ask for and return explanations
by letter, instead of oral communication. I think, in the next
phee , that it is a disadvantage to the Imperial government
null'. But 1 think it is a much greater diesolveitage to
Ireland. I think Ireland is a great loser by not having a
minister in the cabinet who can state the count he thinks it
desirable to pursue, and who can enforce it by means of his
peculiar knowledge and ability. (Hear, hoar.) I think,
therefore, that the keeping up of the office of Lord Lieute-
nant is disadvantageous for the conduct of Irish business,
whether administrative or legialstive. Indeed, the ine.onve
nine* of it has been so strongly felt that on more than one
°maim the Chief Secretary for Ireland has been
placed in the cabinet owing to the deficiency of the
means at the disposal of the government to obtain the
requisite information on questions under discussion. That
is a step which would not otherwise have bun had re-
counts to, and which in principle is most objectionable.
AO regards the nee( salty of having an emotive on the spot, the
noble lord observed : lii seven hour you can go from Dublin
to Cork, by the South AV.-stern Railway. That far exceeds
in rapidity the communication that could have taken place
with Scotland at the time of the unmn when the separate
administrations were abolished, and it refutes and puts an
end to all the arguments derived from the oiffieulty of COIL•
reunication, and to the necessity cf having an executive in
Ireland in order to cagy more rapidly into effect the desires
and wishes of the goMoment. These are, gen.rally speak-
ing, the reasons which make it appear to m J to be advisable
to abolish the office of Lord Lieutenant in Ireland, and put a
secretary of state in his place. But if we ask what are the
benefice which that office confers upon Ireland, 1 think
we will find that in many respects the existence of it is
far more injurious than beneficial. (Hear, hear )
There are several points of view in which the injury can
be shown. In the first place, the Lord Lieutenant is placed
in a kind of anomalous position. (llar, hear.) He is asked
for thing, appealed to for everything, and blamed for
everything, without having the power which should belong
to :to high a position. He rat in fact the semblance oily and
not the immunities of royal dignity—the responsibilities but
not the free dono of action of a minister of the crown. He
is obliged to defend himself with great reserve. lie is un-
able to take that free line which a minister of the crown
can take in defending his own acts. He is not
treated with that reverence and respect which Iseiktes the
king, but forms a small protection to the ether. y. We have
seen that he appeared rather as a temptation foe attack end
violence than otherwise—that the de.ire seemed to he to
have in Ireland a representative of royalty, whom faction
end sedition could attack. We have as en that no character,
no shade of politic., tea station, no former services have suf-
ficed to nu the laud Lieotanant of Ireland from such at-
tuks. We can well remember the violent outrage committed
smokes% Lord Wellesley, notwithteate ing all the cha-
racter and fame that attended his vice-royalty. We
can remember the accusation against Lord Redding-
ton of being a partisan. We can recollect that
Lord Anglesea who undertoog the government of Ireland
with the best possible intentions, was denounced as the M-
eerut. Anglian, the friend of the deepen, and by every odious
name of that description. When L rd Norm *Ay went to
Ireland the great majority of the Roman Catholics combined
to favour his vice-royalty, upon which a great number of
persons of high rack refused to visit the castle, and to pay
that respect which was due to royalty, because they disap-
proved of the line of policy adopted by the Lord-Lieutenant.
I do not know that against this object, which sterns
to me to be one of vat weighs, it would be objected that we
ought not to destroy the separate local administration in
Ireland en account of the expeediture of money which it
caused in Dublin, and the access to the court which it af-
forded to the gentry ant nobility of the country. I own
that it appears to me that while I consider that those taunts
which have been thrown out against the vice-regal court
are ill-founded, there is no reason why that access to the
court should not, considering that we are only 12 hours die-
tent, be afforded by the Queen in person—(cheers)—or why
there should be any other court held in Dublin than that of
majesty itself, and to which those who felt so disposed could
pay that homage and respect which is due to royalty.
I do believe that the presence of vice-royalty
rather bides than displays the splendour of the court.
On the other hand I cannot but think that in this respect, as
well gin many other, the Irish people are losers by the con-
tinuance of viceroyalty. I think that the habits of
expense into which many persons are led by coming up to
Dublin, and carrying up their families to be present at a
levee or a drawl's' room, when they would otherwise be
content to stay in the country or pay an occasional visit to
London, must be attended with injurious results. There is
moreover another evil in that fie lay of mint to Dublin,
I find, as I have already said, that the Lord Lieutenant is
snouted to for everything and blamed for everything. There
are numerous questions up on which no one in England or
Scotland ever thinks of asking the advice of the Secretary of
Slate, questions upon which magistrates and others are con-
tent to come to the best denim they can and leave to the courts
of law any ultimate proceeding. Bat the fact of having a
viceroy in Dublin, with legal advisers dose by him, con-
tinually leads to appeals from the provinces to Dublin for
the sake of getting advice from the Lard Lieutenant which
it really does not belong to any minister of the crown to give.
I do not think it would be desirable that the
Irish people, when deprived of the viceroy, should never
have the opportunity of seeing their sovereign. On the
contrary, I nave great pleasure in sayirg, without being
enabled to name any particular time, that it is her Disjuty's
gracious intention to visit Ireland teem time to time—
(cheers)—and with that view it is intended that the esti-
dence in the Phenix park shall be maintained for her Ma-
jesty. (Cheers) I cm also truly say, that the manner in
which her WOE, was reale d when visiting Ireland,
far the first time, last year, and the demonstrations of
loyal affectlin which sprung so universally and so freely from
the Irish people have left a deep impression on the mind of
her Majesty, who will he at all times hippy to revisit her
subjects in that part of her dominions. I come now to the
manner of the proposed change, which is to take effect by
an order in council at any time after the act is passed that
her Majesty may direct. I propose that there shall be a
fourth Secretary of State for carrying on the important
affeire of Ireland. I will not say that the arrange-
ment will be that which now exists, because there
may be sonic of the functions now exercised by the
Lord Lieutenant which it would be more convenient
should be exorcised by the Secretary of State for
the Home Depa.tment. But cool hiring the immense
amount of Irish business, and the number e f measures ne-
cessary to prepare for the consideration of parliament, I do
not think it will be possible for the Secretary of State for
the Home Department to undertake the whole—charged as
he is of Utopian with much which formerly did not belong
to the office. I believe, upon the whole, it would be better
to keep
.the Lord• Lieutenant, with all the disadvantages I
have pointed out, than transfer the entire duties of the Irish
government to the Secretary of State for the Home
Department. I therefore prep-se that there should
be a power given to appoint a fourth Secretary of State
whose functions would nut be divided from those of the other
Secretaries of State. He would be charged with the conduct
and responsibility of the affairs of Ireland, but would be ca. :
pable of discharging any of the functions belonging to the
office of Secretary of B:ate. The bill I have drawn proposes
that the differ• nt powers sow exercised by the Lord
Lieutenant and Privy Council shall be exercised by her
Majesty and Privy Council, and that the other po a erg usually
given to the Secretary of State shall be exercised by
a Secretary of State, recognising the power to appoint'
one for Ireland, red if appointed providing that'
he and one under secretary shall have power
to sit M parliament. There are powers belonging to
the Privy Council in Ireland of a judicial nature which we
propose to leave mite the Privy Council, the Lord Chan-
cellor for Ireland being president, or, in hie absence, some
other person named by her Majesty. With reepect to the other
powers belonging to the Lord-Lieutenant upon the advice
and recommendstion of the Privy Council, we propose that
they shall be exeseleed uuon the advice and reoommen-
dation of the Privy Council to her Majesty. The poor law
board will not exist under this act as at pre-
sent. At present the chief secretary and under-
secretary are members of that board, and we
to
founoto.fhtiterpoo com
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abolish the office of assistant:commissioner, and
.melee M
ProPt°
se abolish
ffinecteio ores
law whodunit.. The Load Chancell„r of Ireland has
carefully looked at the provisions of the bill, with a view to
its bearing on existing acts, and when before the house it
mmerri Bwei I,lh whopow
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t w o
e holdserei
will no
t of those seta which give power to gentlemen,
the Logd•Liageg.
doubt receive the attention of who are

nut, end who will me whether it is constructed
runt" oftoltsPrelsod.rids I feliravetb.notillyteutritougered uponvetihne-
question of expense ',Web, In the eye of some may be of
IthPorlallats bat which, I contra, I consider u nothing corn-
prod with the magnitude of the proposed change Oa the
a:ewithlitm'everaithx:sou
whole, there will bee saving. But, at the same time, there
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ofbaseirlLebethdair
it
tusemady
be nay, as there is no provision in the civil list for any
to goon to parliament for a vote of money to
detfray any entnewellnasy expenses that may ha it-
sorted by the Quotes visits, but not at all on
the same sale :as those incurred by George IV.
My belief is that It is her Majesty's wish to visit different
Mits of her kingdom, sad they give such pleasure to her
ajesty's subjects, that it is desirable that these visits should
take place; and Ido not believe there will he any objectien
to unction the expense. I will now resume by saying that
du change bee been same time in contemplation, that it is,
as I think, an improvement on the general government of Ire-
land ; that it will enable the Irish minister, whoever he may
be, to being before the cabinet and before parliament Irish
measures fir more completely and far more succeasfully than
he ie enabled todo when rerident in that country. I have
stated that as far as Ireland is concerned I think .bet, will
be a great sdrantage to Ireland in this change. 1 have
stated likewise that with regard to the load effects of the
vice royalty in Ireland that however able, however well
disposed thel ;Lied Lieutenant may be, it is inspire
sible for him to take such a line that he will
not icon the resentment and obloquy of one extreme
party or the other, and that his presence there tends to keep
alive end embitter party spirit. I have stated likewise that
I think the presence of • government in Ireland leads to
perpetual references to government on matters in regard
to which no reference to a government should take plate at
all, and that a cession of those references will be a benefit to
Ireland. And I think there is nothing in the maintenance
of • court in that country that ought to induce
the house to refrain from abolishing that it,
etitution, and to resort to the Cleireo's cenirt in
London as the natural and proper resort of all her
subjects in the United Kingdom. I will state finally, that
I think, whether persons are fat urable to the parliamen-
tary union of the two countries, or unfavourable to it, they
must all agree that this institution ought not to be kept up.
If they are favourable to the union, and adhere to it as a
settledt,
and established part r f the corenitution of this
country as I do myself, I would then ay that I think if Mr.
Pitt had been able to propose this completion of the
union at the time when he originally brought it forward that
he would have followed the exan.ple f Lord Somers, end that
we are more fortunate, half a century after, in having dr
cut:unmet favourable to that abolition. I would sty that those
woo think the union ought not to exist, should not be math-
fied with this partial independence which dots not give a
parliament, welch does not give much power : but, in effect,
while it don not give to the p:ople of Ireland 'he right of
taking a part, and of having a representative among the
ministry of Eoglend, gives them nothing in the shape of
local power as • substitute. I would say in the end, that I
trust the cirounistaeces of Inc present time are fasour-
able to this abolitioa. It happen,* that Lard Clarendon, in
his aiministretion of the vice-royally, has had to eecoun-
ti r the effects of famine, the dreadful eufterings among the
i.eople, alined by scarcity and by diiesse, and to meet
the cutbreek of an insurrection which wee intended
to overthrow British power in that country—he has over-
come some of these difficulties, and I trust by the mercy ef
Cod we are not goieg to have the infliction of °then ; now,
tnerefore, when that country is tranquil, now when that
country is governed peaceably, and at the same time firmly,
by the Lird-Lieuteneet, I think the time has arrived whin
we may safely provide for thi: abolition of that vice-royal y,
and merge toe substituted and delegated p twers into tt.e
genteel powers of the United Kingdom. (Cheer.) I now
move, sir, for leave to bring in a bill to abolish the office of
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and to sppeint a fourth secre-
tary of state.

Mr. GRATTAN, in rising to move that the motion
be rejected, said the speech of the noble lord was
wi:huut argument, without solidity, without point, and
without anything to ebtracteris, it as the production of a
great man and a great mit inter. He rose to raise his
voice to preserve the remnant of Irish dignity and
nationality. He had not joined the Manchester school
and be should not take any lessone from the financial re-
formers. The noble lord said there was to be a secretary of
state fur Ireland, but what was his nest sentence ? That he
was not to I.e confined to Irish businesP. The noble Iced
said that the representatives et royalty in Ireland had been
bearded, but he si em: d to have forgotten that in England
they had it-t only bearded, but cut off the hesd of royalty.
He liked to approach royalty, he liked to look at the SW,
re ign's face. Now they could not look at the Sovereign's
face across the water or even through the tube that
the noble lord had alluded to. It was like
the Frenchman who was looking at the king
through • telescope when the sentinel interrupted
him, saying, " Dlsnsieur on ne lorgne pas le roi." That
gas the sort of government they should have. Who was it
that had mane the I nib Lull Lieutenant so bad ? Why it was
the English government. He charged them with having, as
Englishmen, not only mismanaged the affairs of his country,
tut with having poisoned the minds of honest men
till they had made them a bye word and a rc-
ptoach, and thin the government did not disticgtesh
between the men at d the office, but abolished the
office. Lord Clarendon had made himself so unpopular
in Ireland that the only party who supported him were
the men he wanted to hang is liailingirry. (Laughter.)
The men who supported him were the supporters of demo-
cratic government. lie to. k the liberty to say that if her
Majesty's ministers withdrew the lord-lieutenant they mu .t
send two commandere•in-child to Ireland. (Laughter.)
The noble lord (Lord John Russell) was not the prime mi-
nister, he was not the minister of the home department, but
he acted there as the solicitor of ills Treasury. It was
Dawning street against Dublin. Now be (Mr. Grattan) de-
nied the right ana power of the court; he challenged the
array. He told the noble lord that ha was seeking that
which was above his powers, and that which he
could not accomplish by law. In the nineteenth cen-
tury they had discovered some objections to the lord.
lieutenancy. Why since the year 1361 they had had 94
lord-lieutenants, and they had not found these objections.
And they had 37 kings, and there had been no ()W.I.
tion to the office by any one of them except that
there was a miserable litter from George the Third, end tee
letter of Lord Somers. Allusion had been mane to Glasgow
and Edinburgh. Allow him to state that persons had gone
to those cities, ai.d h►d reported against the state of nudity
—(laughter)—he did not mean personal nudity; but the
state oi nudity those nit es were in. They had no court in Edits
lough or Glasgow; there was no court at Holyrool.house,
but when Scotcomen came to London they stopped as long
as they could. It went to denationalise the people, and that
was the object of this measure. Tote office was created by
the people of Ireland. The peers, princes, and magis-
trates of the land chose to make the English monarchs
lords of Ireland; they gave to them the rights, titles, and
prerogatives of chief magistrates, and exacted from them
that they should give charters and laws. What was that
but a compact ? They would find it in the British Museum,
in the works of Andrew Paris, in " Giraldis estate:elude,"
and in Brant. The office was afterwards performed
by deputy, and in the time of King Henry VIII. an act was
passed making him king of Ireland, and hence the name of
deputy was changed into that of lord lieutenant. The noble
lord had said that if Mr. Pitt had lived be would have sup-
ported the measure. Now in 1799, when the question of the
union came before the house, Mr. Pitt made use of these
words, " Ireland cannot justly complain, because it is not
proposed to remove the lord lieutenant." (Hear, ►ear.)
Then at that time Mr. Cooke, who was the friend and secre-
tary of Lied Castlereagh, published a pamphlet in which he
told the Irish people that this effice was not to be abolished.
And Lord Kilwarden said" Dublin will remain the perpetual
residence of the representative of her Majesty." And
Mr. Pinter, who was speaker of the House of Commons,
went further. lie said " Dublin will continue the metro-
polis of the kingdom, in which, as in all other countries, its
nobility and its gentry will reside." The noble lord said
they were not to resort to Dublin, but to L indon.
Now, he asked, was the noble lord about to do this
—wee he about to improve and enrich Ireland ? The
noble ford talked of jobs. Ile (Mr. Grattan) did no'
wish to press government severely, because when he had
the advantage of a man when he had him down, he
did not wish to knock out his brains. He asked the noble
lord how dare he talk about jobs? Ile would read him a
lesson. Do not mention Downing street in connexion with
jobs. He would call their attention to a certain transaction
connected with Ireland. The noble lord had alluded to one
revolution. He would allude to the revolution of 1732 Ire-
land hadat that time 100,000 men in arms to assert her rights.
Then the government of England was changed, and William
111, was set up here, • name lie should always revere, how-
ever much it was reviled ; and a Lord Lieutenant was sent
to Ireland, who was thought likely to assist in bringing their
honesty to the Downing-street standard. In 1782, just as a
proposition in favour of Ireland was about to be brought into
the house, an English secretary was sent over, who addressed
himself to Lord Charlemont and Mr. Grattan, and wanted to
bribe them. Aye, a Downing-street secretary offered a bribe
to Lord Charlemont and to Mr. Grattan ; and what was the
condition? " Delay the question; don't bring it on in par-
liament (those were the very words); wait till we have ti ed
ourselves in the cabinet, till we have shown our
force to the English ministry, then you may bring
forward your proposition." Those two men hail
the wisdom of Fabricius, as well as the honesty of
Cato—they were incorruptible, and Irish honesty carried
them through. They brought forward the question a few
days afterwards, and carried it triumphantly. They made a
convert of the English secretary, who found out that Hiber-
nian honesty was much b han the dusky commodity of
Downing-street. These patriots came to the followirg reso-
lution, and he would recommend the sentiment to the atten-
tion of Englishmen: " That we cannot fortear expressing
our gratitude at his Majesty's appointment ef the Duke of
Portland to the government of this kingdom ; that we are
convincedthat his representation was faithful(alluding to the
representations which the Duke of Portland and Mr. Fits•
patrick hail made to the English court); and that a free
people and an uneorrup: parliament will unite to give
a constitutional chief governor decided support."
That accounted for governors being bearded in
Dublin. When they ceased to be constitutional and
frugal, and wished the Iri.h people not to be free, then they
were bearded, either by a man at Balliagarry, or a man as
Dolly's Brae. (Hear, hear.) Whenever • minister had
come from Downing-street on an important occasion he had
been the author of mischief in Ireland. Hs would give an
instance. In 1785, under the viceroyalty of the Duke of
Rutland, he and Mr. Orde brought forward eleven
proposition. in favour of the trade ef Ireland ; they
were accepted, and parliament granted 140,0001. hay
log before granted 100,0001. in 1782, and raised 20,000
seamen, who had afterwards fought In the naval
battles and helped to gain the victories of Obi• country.
The 11 propositions wan Nat
.over to Ragland. What algal

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the " fourth socretary," ma he might style him, then do
He roposeid 22 resolutions, trenching noon the eight.
to
liberal. of Irelaad, and sowiag dissension brassier; tt,
coup.,iN; thus were adopted in preference to.
others;
1795 ntd Filsetillism bad gorse over, with a prom!se, is
the very words Mr. Pitt had used, is fsvour at .he ca.hal,W,
or of • debl-
and on the strength of that, the parliament itr.lnt,A 290 bed
Thera was no douht that while the Boekh i50e,.,..r0a;
sent them good Lords-Lieutenant, and coaxing. phssant Is:
eretaries, such utile hoe. baronet now on th., soirditeria
bench—(laughterj—they were able to get al! the money
they wanted. In this case the governmen. oh. mined fice
grants, but the permis d measure of relief was i.evir pitted.
In proposing this measure, ministers were laying d .w, .b 4
principle; they ought to adhere to compacts and ;maim
Nothing could be more dangerous than I r a in.., !ter to itid
the van in popular infidelity, for such it was. Ire, ruotol,
would be readily seia A on by those who.. (4.
duct began with treachery and ended with trek....
But he would give the kenos EeK•lsh as well
as Irish examples of the parity of 1)..,.w.,.
street that polyglot museum of virtuous ese,,,t;,
taries—(lond laughter)—where they were eosins ted is caw
and may lot out ad ii6iNes, either at the will of the ittim-e":
tar, or the dictation of the sovereign. ISM they mate ts,at
to!
ttiho: nianmtehseolnalyr. Tderpatatretrm,
tourt,oforMort.
thSteeelira
'peachmeot 0
Lard Melville ? Was It to be tolerated that tee ee..,..",
of D.,woingsfieet should turn round and .ill the Lord Iho,
tenant that herwas a jobber ? The nob:elm d deceived himself
if he thought he could walk up and down DOWllliiiv..o"wi,
Ireland u Ider his arm—dressed in tabinet, s e sap;,,,,r;
(Laughter.) The idea was so ridiculous that at would,
doubtless, bo laid hold of in " Punch." The notik lose might
imagine this would reconcile all parties, with the halo of
some additiocs to the peerage—such as the ?Crud% of By
lingarry end the Duke of 1/oily's Brae. (Great I,u:hter.)
The truth wee, if theee continued rat ...as on Ire.
land were persisted in, Irishmen wou.ii he ...„
paled to hate Englishmen. This was nu (CV•O.•
mind measure ; for it wou.d ii.vo;v: Fermi
new app,intucense. The time was i.I chow.n ke
bringing ir. this measure, when there were 40,01,0 soeien in
the ouuntry besides police, and the people were fising fes,x.
the country as last as they could get cut of it, I. Isms it :4
dripair,h,cauleit had been beggared and made u int.,!,!•aale.
He rested his case on the lac: that the sinvsrs.rusnt were
homed by compact with the people of Irclavo s.. keeps
court in Dublia. (Hear, hear.) LI: the vies s.,.,eut dis-
pute that if they could. But it was said tart th • i runt
viceroy was lc-ring Inland in a condition that was ~It. ,y to
',rove the commencement of a career of post prsi-srity.
He denied the fact. The noble earl was !coring Intend l•
a most wretched cor.dition.
pint ingest Wore truncus
andmungue hututris caput, et sine nonune enrvss.
(Hear, hear.) We have given you everything, • a,,, tee hi..
gentleman ; Ireland has last herself h. the service
of this country ; we have given you men to :sp ),,sir h,..:1
1 and to gather in your harvests ; we have gi,. It 1..4 art
tents and painters to ores/tient your cities ; sse i..
you men to fight your battles and to gait 1,10 %i .•
have given you a Gough and a Wellingt.,e„ a. , ,
immortalised your name. Where is your gr ..,:o.
ask not for money. You ask for our arlstuu , ..q
cannot give, b cause the price you set up 4. a
honour. (Cheers.)

.ur ~ I.

Mr. °HOGAN seconded Mr. Grattan'i. env .doe ;t,
(The hoc. me elter had said a very 'ea ' r n
fair rtes wade to count cut the hou.., bta t; ,; v
be forty members pritent.) He COM.T. .cy a :c•n
• . • ..

having been no mention of this ie long tons:- r
the ipeeeh from the throne, and span noteit
done to iibiain the opinion of the Mil perip:e
j, et. He was %insole to see the acirantargi iu
arise from the change, inasmuch es 1 ela n
he i.vermil by means of communkatiens tr
sly ra. The Tic -royalty wcs the last r..i .
what she pensioned b. tore the union, a- an
could ill afford to lose it at n time wilt', is „iiia ..r
for the benefit of English m►nutaetorers. r ei

fortunes to the lovrestuebb.

v rr.m. !,)

He reed • vir•t

to AiWif the mis rattly diminished ite•.
mentioning that, while before the uni:n t'

lin nineq•one

zaaster mannfacturcri

there mere cow but 12; end ►e 'Oder .!
similer instances. From timer, and Ito:.

t!,

:1.

r•:, 'r-. r.l

and poverty in Ireland, be argued the ire! Jai y .•
her of any portion of her limited moms :K. la. kl.:
upon the :Nary which would be dote LS re m , sal •

lord-lieutenancy to the charitable institu!'ons cf,t,e c
and concluded by hoping that the Irish I'L• n'.(ll or e.i ;
ti '4 would unit,• in opers:tion to the Tea, su,e
Mr. W. FAGAN raid that if the people or Ireland, c r
the peeoplo of Dublin, had expreased auy cisc.cied fceing
ad.iust tbi. measure, he should have felt is Lis .!uty to rt
La own opinion upon the subject ; but s6els (ee:.. ;
had been express,d, or, ,s he be.iesed, ctio, !, by was ,:
I:tierty t) take his own course, which was to support
mo..ioc, or. the ground that ire nf.olition of tae
lieutet.ancy would be a benefit to Ireland.

Mr. MAL:RICE O'CONNELL opposed the mct....n. .
Glaring that its beiag carried would lead, not to rept
to separation.
Mr. 13. OSBORNE uid he could not help adra!rir
xtravasated genius of the hon. member for atn 1
Grattan), as exhibited in his opikilli'iO3 to the WI.; r c
he refrain from congratulating the Lord Ma: or 1)..
on his having found a colleague thin
hid mede one of the bEst repeal spat zr.,e
had Ever hard. (Hear, hear.) However im
the q ustion at issue might be—and in pia of I tct :•
v.lved the whole future government of Ire:and—.

hear)—to him 1: appeared to rest within the narrow..
pass. It was nothing more nor less than wheat,
government of Ireland was to proceed on the same ; r

as the government of Eicotlandrcr Wale*, and whe h
land was to be finally incorporated with this country
hear.) It it cLuld be shown that the difficulties of L.,

. •
11m:teen with Ireland were much as to voice nkr
totally different position from Soothed • if it

ihowni

under

brd-lieutaa'ant I

hid pr.ept;ed, her people had b:enWerEaeOf

•
and her commerce had increased, or :archer, it c e
proved that the retention of the all:e w-s I•ound up w.:h
the feelings of the Irish native, in either a these cars :..c
Nice ought not to be abolished, seeing ast it was as C2t.l: 3
pageant as the most antra financial rdo-mer c;L:d 11,
but if the reverse of all this were true, then h n. m in
might well consider whether they ought not to supp r: the • ...
under consideration. Now he (Mr. B. Osborne) did ;„ r. .t.‘e
hi/support to this bill from any abstract love of
formic', ; for he believed that the great. et niiiet..ie; had a:
from attempts to engraft English ii.s•itutims on
habits. (Hear, hear.) But, oa the otlr r hand, he was r. •
to be deterred ;tom voting for the bill by the cuckoo cry :
centralizatign. (Hear ) It indeed it was; ra cud to remov, i.
courts of justice from Ireland, or t abolish Lll the
boards of charity, or if, further, it were proposed to rcb
hon. friend the Lord Mayor of Dublin o: his civ.c crown
' place it on the brow of the Lord Mayor of London— .i.i,th-
ter)—then would he admit that this wa. the in—'. mt.
ch evous scheme of centralisation that could b., .lu./.aid.
;Hoar, hear.) But he apprehended that nt.tLi.:e t
sort was contemplated. He regsrded the
of the office of Lord Lieutenant as a 1.n:.: of i...:. I
serfdom, and knew of no other office whin tetilea
to demoralise Ireland and to weaken Ecitland.
hear.) The office of Lord Lieutenant was oliginat, A: a
time when the difficulties of going to Ireland were

than those attending a voyage to Nays Z•::::1
at present, and when the inspired worts o. G:r'.
were near'y true, that " the sea protested ag.“.4:

union of theme, Countries." When 'Lord ::rod' r; cost
about to proceed to Ireland as Lord-Lieutenant in I . La
was delayed three months by contrary winds, ...cd
started, he was unable to proceed, be:ause the Irish
was infested with pirates, until a ship of war had lu:n
round from the Thames. But now that the ahill of tLe it :xi r
had outstripped the genius of the legislator, and :h. eel. r f
Stephenson had done more to incorporate Irelat.l w: h
lend than a, the laws which had been placcd on the shnute
book--(cheere)—distasee at least Lim-1
for retaining the office of Lord-Li,:s:enszt.
The hon. member for Meath had asked the
house whether they would abJlish a rat: csl
institution which was dear to the hearts of the lrnh

A national institution! Why, if ever there was an inst);u-
tion which was anti-liish in its tender.cy and au::-n.::
in its design, it was that of the Lord-Lie wetion:. ie. n 1
From the year 1172, when the tint Lord-Licat.nsL: *55
appointed to rule over a miserable tertitcry under netts II .
down to the present time, how many Itishiu.)). cr •coal
ask, had been appointed to till the °thee ? klhar. Lest )
From 1711 to 1800 only con Mahal iii he.l the
otlice ; from 1800, down to the present day, it held
by two Irishmen. If they ran ever the list of L. I): Ow:
cellars he thought the case would be found toe same . it was
certainly the same as regarded the chief sslialitlCll 10f Ire-
land. The hen. gentleman (Mr. Grattan) had rderted
to the his:ory• of lord-lieutenants, and had
writers to show that the existence of this rtilee ea, the

jeet of a compact between the Irish roc pie aid 11. my 11.
Why, surely we hon. gentlemen must know that the pc...tve
did not then exist. A fewlinglo-Nortuan barons ettemptsd
at the time to make some compact with the king. hut,
withstanding that, the argument used wou'd not hold teeter.
What were the histories of the lord lieutenauctro
any Irishmen look back to them with pride ? He would quote
to the hon. gentleman a passage front the life is: oar 01 the
• most auccessful Lord-Lieutenants of his day—Lord Mount-
joy. These were the result, of English policy under Lud
Deputy Mountjuy, in the words of Sir John Davies:
s. Whereupon the multitude being brayed as it were in a
mortar, with sword, famine, and pestilence to-
gether, submitted themselves to the English govern-
ment with demonstrations of joy and comfort." Whet
was the project of the Lord-Deputy Surrey in 1328? Why.
to transport the Lrish altogether from the country, and to
stock the land with English. In 1633 Lir.' Strafford, bein;
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, said in a letter to Charism L.
" The Va. fi• of this crown shall be my principal and ssne
end." He came now to the reign of Queen Ann. The fol-
lowing was the description given by Dean Swift—that
patriotic Irishmen, who was always &hutting that he was net
an Irishman—of Lord Wharton :
He contracted such debts in England his fa iends were tOreol
leave lieauil at his uteicy. Ile has sink hi. fortuni. by eitslo.ii eat ing
to ruin one kingdom, and Rath raised it by Innis f r to ruin ntoinir.
Ile hat gained 45,04101.—ha1f to the regular, half in the pralm--11
he (endowing was Mr. (rattan's description of the Mar-
quis of Buckinghamshire:
This was the non who made his entry into Dublin. ,rand On a
triumphal ear drawn by public credulity, on one side falLiehais hole,
on the other many mouthed prof...won ; a figure wgh ten Li,. sw - one
turned to the treasury, the other resented to the pooh.,
double tongue spiwking contradictory
What inmate description givenot the lord-lietitinanti
lq
popular agitator in 1850, a friend of the Lrd Mayor ? He
termed the castle a sink of corruption. &e.
I believe that if that sink of mutual in, that hot-boil of syeol'hr,v;
ttli
Dublin l'ast'o, as a vice royal institute be nniinisl front DNA..
Orangemen land &man ttiollanhkee and Wray. a ill ste IY
of UM/ diviice4 and unite the good of theirCOLUMWS swede

THE FXI'RESS, SATURDAY EVENING. MAY 18, 1860. 3
be cheaper than takin oat a plaint in Shlopshiee, Was ism ; some of the statements were nullified The Monitsur contains the usual weekly acco tof
~„ law yes well tket u■til swot maims ldiesty how diegnioefal NM the libels On the motion oleo!. DUNNE femme were ordered or
meek/ Ibath
foe el 10/14 Li/ til 6 t inet the mien) aleameis_ ! (Hear, bear.) He bad all sales mode under the tinhorns of the Ocimalselosers of and be therefore Toga .
I
himWhiakeltatlitakals
outsoptien.
piaiaThet
„why eoc:ientethar-s:zizz
was
thLotibflearasiaellitoasa; alders. gThreset the
wea
- r,'`',l.-1_ 4;7.1°1. Lime tes. ass•
:I.:tend to make them abeemati ens with reference to tbe lineumbeved Enates (Inland) Bill, is 'tabular tem •of the ,e _..,„, 11
week the omfettahleließanreekerovfe Fhillasacein.oreia)sledri 11 tinhillasaelad
og e
' ' '"- i twentyta tee only "aubo in
*ended arm *Meet of the bill before the how. He slimed not vote names of counsel sad Winters employed, egg of km, r,„ sew bia wawa have compelled
is StrepAire, and to that course which, when opinions of reverud gentleman in prisons dii not in Paris, and fallen off 3 millions in the provinces.
•••
• 'shot0"1"`.._- d0?7.? Wk. :left. a del, of ageism the laof tee noble lard wkieh asked for pet- cognised by the court.
t' ''' ....'o,opt the Irish teolale--tea-on ma , tro me mil. •' ; jii 11.
." e d Tat Mission to in d 6 tbee beams: if he did, he would ne The house adjourned at 2 o'clock.
e following tega ha,.
been OPiionali as avoided adoptexpeesive or isenvenient. seem to be so much against ragged schools, after all ; The discount-accommodation has declined upwards
.
.„ me ewe 4,1 Otittilrl. Ma . pH y etas ast of dieseansey towards the minister. Bat Again, he cemplains that hie verdict was rendered polisemea were found faithless; and u for the hypo- of 3 millions in Paris, and increased 11 minims is
',.. • "'-: ....,eatee a Leg te MAIO Moll( VA, Yet •••• the is begged to sell the aftestisa ell eke bows tie tke essind Honan op Lonnee-Te useless by his debtor selling off his goods before trial. theithal beadles, baked men, and charity boy., the provinces, the amount of the former beetle
.- • meat tuuz.OW •eif his time in this lames eldest 01 the ban epee Wash we boa. seriabee had yet. anseie „pored specially trout the Standing Order Committee. and This' might bedews is say event ; but it Hofed before mentioned, they remain in their appropriate 37,905,430 fr., and of the latter 66,190,292 fr. The
* - •
..e...• •
_.,t
wm..atat„. ? syhtmet mom nem was
peria.• giall:eas..biengli•-mithTkaortn.irmu-aosw"a•
amosari" litres:path/ '' leave give, is to proceed. esitheretwhe4mitybillssadt-Blete
rordlleildßary Feed that the petrat. and the habit 40? Judges minty outwit,.
k Society neerporotion . .
protested bills have declined 30,000 fr. in Pane, sad
`•*•• *.• .-.: ~teem, ericel.‘6l'l" al. l'wdi riwwl"" la 4 4t14• ee burl tile Lord 10111•241111. Bei" *el ebelkies we South B:affordable. Railway (power to lease the rail, ay
w" I courts to nests. Payment of debts by instalments, What has been the coasequenes of this ? The 23 000 fr. in the provinces, the amount of the former
1" w.:.:-e., . mg with • ati••• of the "" p1.....2.----eibere..-vesie he "111_..._."...1___.„._,1•111.1111e, eileemieee eed sea make. and amnion; c 4 sere) • North Bieffordehire Place miler creditors at great disadvantage? and ragged wheels promise to be in a better position than being 1.021,185 tr., and of the latter 1,389,038 fr. Oa
'• • ..,•...,t1';'.13,t7 ',ere to part WOO him, am tut eta lb: treat --my . ---cftwits turfl:rasi". Railway (eztensien of time for horolisne of Leads, die.); afford increased opportunities to frandalent debtors Wham The great mum of their supporters, having the side of the liabilities the notes in circulation have
. ; e.
..,
1.,.
5a...,..n,,,,,„..a,, snakiest tomes
almost
wawa.
map Eeehoef.thsif wer loprea usul °est Diindise and Perth and Aberdeen Railway Inaction ; Bills. to cheat their meditate. Against the., two sericite recovered ream their astonishment, a-semblein Exeter- increased in Paris nearly 11 minims, whilst they
• • • . , , , orialtid aritia 'yawl a, sad to weileom
' • • v aid abler
he ....tpfk. of Ireland, sad ea Is MI6 sio the ',stogie°, to appoint - The
. . 1.:1-. that Ow his having made these gases- a fourth secretary estate, sail be lisped kommenabers would perpetuate and increase, the merchants and traders of merits of which many hays for the Rd time disco- account-current of the Treasury has increased 21 mil-
to 'o' • ',' • • the , thee of lurel-lieutenant was • .a- fool hew impamat It woo MB illpoile Ow two poi's,, gilt erllretifS♦
London stroligly protest, and they will not protest in vend while searching for its defects. In the mean- lions, being at present 37,487,821 fr. Private ao-
•
• ..• " • ,-,` ',abate!, take its plate among the slap- Night after night he.. essisma wee adoelag that the
vain, as their opinions, to this extent at least time thegreatest amount of harm which its opponents counts current in Paris have declined 3 millions,
. • . . •". - ~" %mg to that haw. (Hear, bear.) He wintry cou:d sot bear MO punt beaked tazWes, sad ...____,.
•. • - ,s, •.-
al
the Lotel•Lwormat bad oven eibmpaied that they only sated egoism Miseleme Mir its mduedon
OUTGOING HAUL mast be in unison with that of every can have effected is, causing a few feeble-minded whilst those in the departments have increased about
- ' - .r..l.riera-ion the wive Irish. he was sass to la order not to put the gemerameat in danger. Her Malatya trader. Party feeling must run much more persons to withdraw their subscriptions. lof a million, the amount of the farmer being
The sells for Gibraltar, Hate. Orteees the lonian Want highly, than iii now the case, before a large class Any person who is inclined to denbt the power of 98,100,245 fr., and of the latter 25,940,577 fr. The
• • ' ' ' '. ' ..
E gland. and to be aceu.d se sari- ministers themselves, .ko took a favourable view at Me
t envies India, and Chew. ma Southampton w.
, '' "••'T '... 1; ea. lee ibis cause that Sir Jobs este alike country, maid that it was etely the middft clews ggiP ', - • .e,'• ; te gn ' of traders will for the abstract sake of Whig or tory the schools to stand permanently against the attacks whole amount of the metallic reserve is at present
1 ;`,...;: • inmeaened ill 15SS; and Lend who were raised. But that we quite stiheicat to induce be ''"`e up Gaon
'-e al(wa'air of "se, -
The =ails for British North Amalie sad the IJaited peinciples object to any measure which has really in of their opponents, should present . circulation.
•••• •• - - -"it 4 . 1-ei tea be wished fee the the how to passe Irks* masentiog to the creation of an have been at the 471 millions to 4941 millions of notes in
, •• • Went in ~. .
iketes will be reads up ea the enalagof May 24. view the more eau recovery of their debts. The meeting on Tenthly, and witnessed the enthusiasm of The Prase is headed with an address to the
•
. .., es Loreadi emu., sad did se, shams 2ri... and as far se data were weaned, anaeceessey
He knew that on his side of the house they mania The mails mg agemeffloe, to tke nwit.„„„„, Ea 7:, assertion which has been made by a contemporary the many thousands mumbled there, among whom le ople, printed in large type, conjuring them to ab-
: •• . , .• the English waists,. Bat, to mato to
I H II lka. will be made lip on the surety needed the reply which has been given to it, there was not one dissenting vein. This enthusiasm, stain film resorting to force in order to right them-
.• • •
enc. reae Lord Nemeth, estraelsed by the "Wiled by the feelings and opinions of their sonstitueots in e'llca. oillell; 24."1. sag"
. " ''• '.7..te ! Fa this ear& reason-because he voting for any unties which tended to Menem the public
tar el be d that the committee, orimpoesd of merchants and indeed, was the great feature of the proceeding. The wive& The motives assigned by the Press. for the
Thegmaite for Liebe', Spain, and G
o • -:: •a,,,, the imemeal el Roman catholic& impose. He was aware that her Heleelre minister, moald m 27 w me e traders of opposite political opinions, acts inseams- speakers told as little that was new. Lord ASHLEY publication of this address to-day instead of to-mar-
.....:-. •'2 ?..i,": e. • which be modem this office war Mil them there would be so groat increase ot expenditure up as If • . .
`... 4,-•.'
party for show and partly for bus: , Wanes they were !Mullikin ea expensive ethic, and The West lade Halle, including Bermuda• ll b. ently of politeml party." was moderate and sensible, as usual, expressing hie row, confirm the statement which I sent yetterday,
r":„.' . e rtain de of parade, it had • only treasterriag the funds belonging to it to the new ow. Yews, lloi.duras, New Orleans, sad Keine, and colluding The argument, against the present bill as stated by untamed confidence in the system, notwithstanding that an imeute was planned for to-morrow evening.
sees fee Madeira. Ste. Jaan-de-Niearmus, New Weanda, the committee may be thus shortly put :-that all the imperfections which everybody admits it to If lam to believe the National, no art is neglected
•• ' • •,,-..--d .tab
arctre% Ity ridiculous. (Hear, bear.) Bet abs house must •ot indulge in so sanguine a dream.
'•
.. t ,;;,' zekatever might be the sirs or The noble load had given them a fair hist of what they were Chili, and Pent, will be madcap on June 2. whilst through the agency and machinery of possess; commenting upon the inefficiency of the to trap the people into an emeule. This journal
•:• • - - ''., ewe di hint' name was a toexpel, in his allusions to pensions and reperaaauatious ta The mails for Modena, the BMWS. sad Blanes Ayres, will
• :;:-.1•17-, ao-s ones
ta•aaa. et of enuring . dead.. He (Mr Disraeli) was the last person wk., would ise made up on the evening of June 4. the superior courts a • large proportion evidence) which had been brought against the schools, maintains that the rumours spread of an outbreak to
ery
(more than ninety per cent.) of the suits nom- and pointing out the danger of making charges which take place on Saturday evening., are sown designedly
.;• . ~.,,unauee of the nawareh'a private pine a vote which might phis uajastly oil eadiveduals of
• • . - n'te of Hotel,' Goths ems the team roar elem. Bet aka.ever their tesliap of justice, tbey MI MI want. AT LONDON =IDOL named for the recovery of debts between 201, and cannot be substantiated. Beyond this, and a very by agents of the police, in order to give the govern-
ran DatMannim Os. 40.
i•VI 74 be
_pelted by *my scurrilous cuul I not shut their eyes to the tact that, although a mane re. Nomad. ft als Mmes., lc Nu 504 are amicably settled by the sanction of theme valuable suggestion as to the probable consequences meat the pretext it desires for suspending the liber-
• ' • t, Aar i When a Tury Lent L. u. &rabbi portion of the hand now voted for the Ohm of lord- courts. without trial, and in a rapid and inexpensive of public support being withdrawn from the schools, ties of the subject.
•• . . ' Ireeied to sewed • wins, urine lieutenant would go to provide oompensatios to routine olh- manner, there is not in the present Small Debt Act, and their fifteen thousand children being turned The Iffimiteur contains a decree of the President
• ••• .";•• t''
.d The Castle endgames, too, were sale, it was but • fraction ot the peat expend. LONDON, SATURDAY, MA Y 18. nor in its proposed extension, any machinery provided out destitute into the streets, his lordship approving of the provisional convention concluded
.." .•
7.:?.?.,,•••.0..1._. not so mesa for Übe freedoms ot are which the noble lord had shadowed out. -
by which the same convenient and beneficial results said little that has not been said before. April 30, 1850, between the Minister of Public Weeks
• .
.. .!, ow r;setrility of their Wes. (Laughter ) He offered to the pimple of Ireland the gracious
este
te . b TBE intelligence and the documents which we can be obtained but parties are farad to the expense By the way, when he enjoined his hearers to have and the company of the railway from Marseilles to
~.! a abi,t Lard Lieutenant saceredial ? • boon of in *Douai teen nom their • sovereign ; t
"- receive from Paris are not ample enough to enable us of a bearingi-that the additional expense and in- faith and patience, and believe in the text, that " hen- Avignon.
. . i ..e, ;mei; the vleiroys silo.. were he resmoed the house that ter that there would be all au-
to form a _eo. . . .
'•..r".: , :t 1e advmeird a Rama catholic to an meal vets. d mire opinion as to the grounds on which convenience thus entailed upon the creditor are greatly rice's may endure for a night, but joy comet„ in the The Council of State has just decided that in mini-
- • ' ..
sofa. ed tf therehareb in dewier; hut if he
Lard J. RUSSELL,-Not an anneal visit, sad not an the French government has gone to the regrettable increased by the compulsory obligation to meek foe morning," did be intend a sarcasmagainst the speakers cipal elections, when the board to been clandestinely
....'•iei al the aide to • ponder leader, 'usual vote. length of recalling its ambeasadoe, and breaking off payment of his debt in the court of the district who were to follow him ? installed, and without the co-operation of the electors
. seta .r,sm, sequin the abeeteass in the Hr. DISBAELL -Not an annual visit! (Cheers.). t
-t diplomatic relations with this country. The of his debtor, and by the power conferred Thus much for the good or evil effects of ragged who present themselves at the doors, the electoral
' • I. ft I. esteem was anathematised from was quite dem tbat hoz.. members lord the disemeton,
public is not yet acquainted with the exact upon the judge to order payment of the schools-a question which we may now consider to operations are te be annulled.
"- !- i . the Dub n to that that was what the noble meant. But an
terms of that agreement, on which the French debt by such instalments as he, without any correct have been set at rest. Their operation seems to have Great numbers of Englieh applied at the embassy
e- • 4 -4.""‘ if head lend Nu i"einoby hkeh occasional teenwould in more expensive still. (Hear. Wm)
• • '.• -•‘. 13" N
badge tzar, because he needs A remakeual visit would be attended with las government undertook to despatch Baron GROS
. a.atra►Al t 3 . e)tie
information of thu means of the debtor, may chose disappointed •• groat many kind-hearted, sanguine to-day for passports.
i . • • ~,..; t, gess,: ; acid an hes member primal ,s. 1114 extitillltent, and less Itiptittr. All Goa for the purpose of bringing about an tccord to direct. Theft appear to be the prominent
pro- persons, who expected to see wings growing BOURSE.
..• 'iv ant at the else:ice for Cork, for easel visit would be heralded by • loag deny, and attended between Greece and the Bntish Envoy. That there tine of the committee to the proposed modes of pro- from beneath the felon's fustian, and every lee Mamas.
r .: to Me g-ave imputation of dine:4 with • lavish expenditure when it arrived. 113VNI•tt statity tag
PARIS, Mar 17, For 11
was a clause in that agreement, stipulating that cedura in these m
oon is as to such debts for the re- inferior portrait of humanity turned into a money.' Sallsnat'iliNDOlL Lowsecitandes.
.i. • .n.-. 4• *. Ila Maisilty*B depn-y lili Ireland to AIM that it should take plate, sail ila • hoses ot haw-
thaa the „sy,ral,,•
„mum, at eia reformers time eosemeretioes mud be mike* late se. Admiral PARKER would not have recourse to ulterior covery of which they might be used with advantage. Transfiguration. The fact ii•-es we have said
se 40 1, 84 10 34 33 $4 10 44 IS
" nr.: I Liman.) Led de tirry, is
cowat. Fur his part he believed that the leewhxpe measures of coercion, as long as Baron Gaos enter- They are precisely such as we pointed out nearly three on more than one occasion-it is the beneficial ten- ! nee: &`11,,,%•,..
• ' ..•' ' ' i • bated tally in lirelaad as in tom for tad, calm ot Suenstary of State for Irelad ont! be tainted any flops of succeee, is probable. But that it
....y• ..:• Jr._ as eel
weeks since, and they refer to defects which apply, in deny of the schools which encourage their tip- i -do. -Newness „ e i• SO De
. . . • VOW ilisf*flifa bows.. lin bad rives
_.are addlitiekell
itO 111 sabyt.thow, expentdidtute.
.ieWsuatrec:ti,
at • was stipulated that ro ulterior measures shoeld. be our opinion, with as much force to debts under, ss to porters, rather than any precise miracles that they 14 Per Contd. ie o ie • d
• ;eet. War.) Elie 03111t1 ant !Mittel,' • +wan , IND • presto •••••,
4 GPsta n
bange on London: Mille:l_l2 al; " 4111731 3 t• "
had recourse to until, after the failure of negotiation, those above 201. in amount. Wholesale dealers may work.
.• i . 4 taste' int. Ho asked, who w.a °gunny ? What be wanted the house to feel wad, Mat they
.n..c
reference was made to the rispective governments, be chiefly affected by debts varying from 201. to 501., It is no slight pro ire to such institutions to say that fie s, MO
r rte LAM Liseareast Of the were now called open for the Ent time, aot merely to swat
- a
"I. 1.". : there wea no reereamble minister to the abolition ot en rffice which on the surface had economy this does not appear. The French seem to take this but the certain and punctual payment of debts under they have done much where nothing before was ex- 1.,°: hmu
'• . • vs..' sow the us tbl• minister ? to rrermnund it. but lo embark is a mates which, lade. for granted ; and if they are right in their assertion
ti
the smaller of these amounts must be of vital import- pected, and promise even more thin the moot sin- De. 21 - „ imams., Ronda- 5 „
two Irish afirials. hither bleb Pend*" of ever, consideration of PlijeYs 'Peet be ' or helief, then our Foreign Office is decidedly ance to traders of more limited dealings, and we can- guitie could at one period have anticipated. Piedmont 5 per Cants s 5 0.. I hank Shares
• . • . tad bewildered-Gast Stet lavish expend:tare. Whether as representatives of the crest ____.
0.., o• . en. i. ti
not imagine the utility of a small debt too urn unless it Rollitga. -Versailles (left bank), 155; Park and Orleans, 672 50;
• 0 weal. It any one got tows of Ilanchecer and Liverpool, 3f of the broad counties, "‘.`.'?;S
Paris end Rotten, 30125; Rouen and Havre, 201 73; Straetoure sal
. D Ith respect to the charge that after the conclu- tend to increase the facilities and to diminish the risks 8.,1e, 102 50 ; Orleam and Bordeaux 367 50 ; North, 405 25; Paii
teas rehired to the Etwesh solicitor it was their duty to consider welt such a proposmon He
,
me .I.raelleorm. 318 75 :. Tows AEA NAAtea. ire 75: Mant,.rel• And
' . •-•
he
yhr • ot C aa operation was set aware that our internal circumstances jusiifi d it. non of a sclemn convention, means were taken per- of a creditor. Zr II • ILT/laii
•
n.lassi a en vot••di it. ....;,.1 it•l. it. ...............-
. • 37', e'7u:'...114 set me isheitoemerneral Kr. HUME mooorted the motion- having more than

!'''. s'ober kr Meath knew nay well that until most grannie Majesty, how diegneefel were the libels
.ecr bees customary kie the Lord Leon ageism tho reining onseareles ! (Hear, hear.) He had
'" i1,,,,L 01 twenty Lard-Linossants in ne natured to make tine obseentiess with nferenee to the
',, . 1.,..mad was saw only en ern resided Let ehhet el the PI beim the how. He stool sot vote
1 shat jii kg do? Why, he left a debt of seism IP motion of the sable lord, whisk asked for pos-
e/ ! "'", a,. like people—(lanikter)—aid Den missies to introdne the bill, blesses if he did, he would he
*tr''.,!:.,e, state out 'Deaden. rid : guilty of ea an of disessnegy towards the minister. Bet
-a e!"!
.;_,,h,,„ik, a t.eg te min anon( W. that even the he begged to all the anentlem eff the house to the snood
•' ' • . twat foultilla" aI. tias• ill the 11",10° Poem of the bill. epee Win so Ma member had yet ends
. p IC.,
vet, ? whythei am
nom was
~a gimlet
...obeerviaittiemaiit That len woe see et:nearly Mt.
V.: .! '' the eweni
tall Lord haloes said in a seise Wir—beiwt—Th. Lord Tirtisaaceyall
.t meselerelle waikanskat
abouriesPslitissia
-ii nosiest •• •
___ . plan, there wane be mph mad eatisheesety disenein, sod
be trusted the Warp Pali les WPM wita the coachman
to which tin Own Medd is... Alai it was perfectly on-
sista% nun& Mellie Amain of *Pease of lord lieutesant
of Ireland, and Pt Is PM* he the pepesition to appoint
a fourth secretary el metes, IMP hap it lass. menthen would
feel hew impornat it was to opiate Peso two point..
Night after might his. pedemon was dada lag that the
country esied sot We Us peanut Wiese, taztties, sad
that Hwy on noted spine minims fee ha reduction
in order not toypat the gonnungst la Pager. Her Maiestre
insisters tbeseselves, oho took a favourable view of the
state of the country, and that it was ouly the middle cleans
who were raised. But that was quite Bilffiellent to induce
the hens to paw before eassentieg to the creation of as
=sive, sad as ler as data were etosserned, ananemary
He knew that on his side of the house they were not
justified by the feelings and opinions of their sonstitesom in
nth, for any notion which tended to knew the public
espouse. He was aware that her Majesty's ministers would
toll them there would be to great Mercies of expenditure
banes they were aboli•hiag as expensive nine, and
only transterriag the fonds Pleating to it to the sew one,
Bat the house must iof indulge in so leaguing a dream.
The noble lord had given them a fair hist of what they were
to expel in hie allusions to pensions and npernanation to
e litchi. He (Br Disraeli) was the last pews who would
give a vote whin might press uojostly on iadividesis of
teat elms. Bat who ever their Plinio of justice, they
coal I not shut their eyes to the fact that, although a Loan.
&fable portion of the hand now voted for the office of lord-
lieutenant would go to provide enspessation to retirin,i ani-
mals, it was bet a fraction of the great expendi-
ture which the noble lord had shadowed out.
He offered to the peep's of Ireland the gracious
boon of en annual visit from their beloved sovereign ; but
he rennin the house that for that then would be an an-
pal vote.
Lord J. RUSSELL.—Not an annual visit, and not an
assail vote.
Mr. DISHAELL—Not an annual visit! (Chew) It
was quite den that hat.. members had, is the diseenices,
assumed that that was what the noble lord meant. But an
occasional visit would oe more expensive still. (Hear, bear.)
A regular weal visit would be attended with less
repeal in, lees excitement, and Ins expence. An nos
sand visit would be heralded by a loss delay, and attended
with • lavish expenditure when it arrived. However gratify iag
to the. that it should take place, stilt in a how of don-
na reformers these nosiderations pot be token into se-
coast. For his part he believed that tbe whole impeach.
tore for We Aloe of Seentimy of State for Inland would be
en RPMou to the snow expenditure. Was that, be
would ask, Justified by the present domestic sate of the
enufry ? West he wanted the house to feel wee, that they
were now celled upon for the first time, not merely to assent
to the abolition of as rtfint which on the surface had economy
to neammeod it, but to embark is • soap which, lade.
pendent of every consideration of policy, must be one of
levant expenditure. Whether as represestatives of the treat
towns of Manchester and Liverpool, or of the broad comities,
it was their duty to consider well such a proposicon He
was not aware that our internal circumstances just& d it.
Mr. HUME supported the motion, having more than
once pressed upon the government the pro. riety of taking
this step with • view to the good government of Ireland;
and, although he had not urged it on the ground of I eonossy,
yet be believed it would lead to a great reduetios of especial
we with. at leading to an increase of patronage. Thu was
a step in the right dal etion ; but until the Church of Ireland
should be abooehed, as fir as regarded its eapectien with
the state, they cool t not hope for tranquillity end preeperi,
is that e intim.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended
that the likeelore el the noble lord would lead to a consider •
able saving of expenditure, instead of a large increase, as
supposed by Mr Disraeli.
Mr, LAWLE-II moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. 11. J. O'CONNELL contended that the bill would be
of eseestial benefit to Irelead, and hoped they would not, by
• perseverance is the motion for adjouningeot, have • repot
tioa of the divisions of tee previous evening.
Col. SIBTIIORP said that, benne/ this bill, as he did,
to be another j b—another measure n deogeroue reform,
he should support the motion for the adjournment of the
debate. It was • wpm to support the patrenage of
the noble load, with a great increase of expense to the
country.
After some obserratisns from C.A. Dt•sxe,
The Mime divided, and the motion for adjournmect was
negatived by • majority of 213 to 19.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL Men moved the adjournment of the
house.
Tne O'GORMAN MAHON would offer no factious
opposition to the bill • red, it ton e motion for adjeurnment
were to be persevered in, he and many other Irish members
would be ohlieed to retire.
Lord J. RUSSELL and : If the people of Ireland were to
be kept in ignorance of the provisions of the Dill by means
of these *die uromtats, they shield also be made aware that
the fault did not lie with the government.
After some farther warm discussant, in which several hon.
members took part,
The motion for adjournment was withdrawa by Mr.
O'Coxxste., and
The Pose divided on the main question, for leave to being
is the bill, which was carried by • majority of 170 to 17.
The wend reading of the bill was fixed for June 10. :
SUPPLY.— CIVIL CON I INGENUES.
Oa the question that the boute resolve itself into a coa-
lmines of supply,
Mr. HUME moved the adjournment of the house. Owing
to the want of courtesy exhibited by the noble lord, be
would not consent to voting any money at that late hour.
L trd J. RUSSELL saiu that be did not intend any dis-
courtesy to the hon. gentleman. It had been his intention
not to go into committee of supply till Monday week, but the
Pio of public business induced him to change his intention,
and to move some votes that night.
After • few words from Mr. FRENCH and the CHAN-
cRu.oR of the EICHEQUint,
Col. SlbTilleßP said that as be had codling to do with
nanny, but with duty, he should support the motion of
the hon. member for Montrose if he persevered in i'.
Mr. BRIGHT wished tp know from the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, if the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's
government had fixed Thursday next as the day to going
into committee of supply. If so, he (Mr. Bright) thought
the house should not be called on to go into the estimates
before Moeday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was under-
'ton to state in reply, that the noble lord, the first minister
of the crown, had arranged to take the estimates on Thurs-
day .ad Friday.
SUPPLY.
The how then resolved itself into a committee of supply,
when the following •otes were agreed to 36,0001. for civil
contingencies ; 60,0601. for stationery ; sad 50,0001. to defray
expenses connected with the new hones of perliameot.
Mr. B. OSBORNE wished to know if the amount of that
vote was intended to be a; propriated to the payment of
workman and others engaged in the building, as in that we
he would not noose it 1
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said t was
to be paid away forthwith.
Me. B. OSBORNE.—Then I shall not oppose it. (Hear.)
The house then resumed, and the report was ordered to be
received on Thursday next.
The Drainage and Improvement of Land Advances Bill ;
the Woods and Forest' Bill; the West India Appeals Bill;
the Alterations in Pleadings Bill; sad the Acts of Parlia-
ment Ab reviation Bill; these bill ware severally read a
second time.
SEQUESTERED BENEFICES IN ENGLAND AND
WALES.

to &neer; had as Loa. member
.is seat at the edoedea for Deck, for
▪ to the rave imputation of Moto,
Her Hmte ivy la Ireland
than the sapped., candidate at
I Lisoihter.) Lard de they, whose
do:remold se aq Is Ireland as sa
cea yylacsobrd Yeses.* he had !riven
• Hear.) He could ant conceive •
e. ,C 4 He abed, who w.s
•or. the Lord Lieetecaat of the
V..: there was so reeptunible minister
meta sow the rrepoesashlo njoice,
two Irish officials. hold.ne high
o• • •:••••• us sad breildored—and first
;;;I: : Gbaeral. If any one got
he was referred to the Ematish solicitor
,n:y by • sort of Cr afts% oprratioo
c act keen the isoliciterihnierol
e.:a the idle' Cl elision:rotary. Although
v• :r vas • sort of preparatory scho.:l See
•ra off:e wee psis his •er than of say
lie riteiv..l .5,1001 per savage ; be lad
• :IA Leal parqukutes. WI en he bed
..!11:1i41 of the boa. member for Drughe4
.•• is. from his kaown talent, and treed
wenl have prop's?' measures
was the pollical panic an melee ed
t:o amendment *Mee destroyed too
• es. the posit cal *la who neat the
:ht in the reboot:id, his hatds were
• /1.)111 bete, devoured, it was
deineasoar and desire to please
. vita. as that Le was not Clawed to
• tom:acted with Inland? Was it
•'a oion were asked, he was oblird
• •:. ••":7,‘ lord Liestensat ? Was it net
• were dropped carelessly on the table,
• . m•se heal of ? The hose, was
.• we:. !treater to be brought into
•. 7:C•ti)t. of !rots membsrs. The
.• . Lora p•rleet anomaly. Sometimes
• •..r.. eo the Chief Secretary. Dana
e.atrolled the Lord Lisette-
.• -. • r ',artery controlled both. end
•st r.••• .• ;.;:a ,rage who was termed the
• ••-. ••:,. oh • Aron .14 palled the strings
h t: :o when they wen called
W • • •• •.• • :..- is. the boas, was based
Ho bad beard
.• :L. lr unaaintooa that this
a. '4 It • .ry t> tread's by the do-
:Le • . y ea. -1* ar. ;nation—it was •
• .t . -ey.a! CltS won. b• • gilt far GCMG-
:. : 'Le -asru. He wee happy to hear
c:•. . : raLsg the perpart of the bill to-
• ...• ••• ra Intuition of the sovere,gn of
• a... :r..and :ewe frequently. H. hoped
L •• - c re.y . promise in be house ; he did
!: • •eta tease there only for a fortbight ; he
• her residence is Dublin every year
• menthe, and he shoo d feel no
. • .....i..ansent held Ps 11111111111 occasionally is
L'• te:n mint not expect Ireland, with a
• :•.: m.. i its, to bt treated as • petty pro
. • .1 coLneet rational independence with the
• • Co.:* of Dublin. Sure he was that the
.• •: ravimality would burn with a purer flame
t, oght its tomb by the lurid and corruptin
.• sttluente. Sure he was that Ireland would
A a kiegdom, because she was no Langer rem
ay. or gavernid ass dependence.
.sRIEN oppotel the motion, as • wrong and an
•nd.
NULDS assigned the merit or demerit of the
. net to the goy/rumen., but to Mr. Hume,
r.cc.ple of economy. had first introduced the
• .use as early as 1823. In common wi h the
.••Lse cautituency, he considered the mos-
. •p ; and met Mr Fsean's assertion
!. •Ift indidereat on the subject with " ths
••.: :-.an which the roles of parliament would
.. • , -tad to have Ireland sacrificed to the prie-
s.. .• c. After eel icising at Frost length the
• - as government in Ireland, he declared
•Litieme•ts permitted he would impeach
7:rat...sr-titration for their many sets of mal-
• •aitl the motion was for leers to bring in
• •La Led Lieutenancy of Ireland, and to sp.
s.tary MS:ate. He felt some surprise that
• o, m r iateresticg diatomite. they had had
,••• r tL•ervatioa was made on the second ob
lie wsu.d not touch upon the firs. object
. • ominthe subject had received the particular
• L i•ct:emen concocted with the sister king-
' •.• • taking, he siolit sty that, with regard to
o.Lt, he should bare been prepared himself
• a Milkers of toe Irish members, but
• L other octagons, nothing was more
ti ascertain what was the feeling
• L.••••ri. (Haar, hear.) Had he the mislor-
• : a:. hats at ober himself, he should not have
he 1110ald Usk*. He thought that as
•• pLOrj, it would have been at ell
a• to shoat, the coulee proposed by the
• . be token, but he thought that at the
• was %%necessarily unhappy. (" Hear,
ra He eould sot say that he had given
••••••••...• to we question. He had become
• •••1: the papules opinions upon the
• admit that whatever might
:patio' on the question as a
• • . set Le had no idea that there were great
.* • L••=.lml reasons for the abrogation of the
'• : •.tart the speech of the noble mover, but
• • ..1 boos again removed by the speech
,• or sal laughter.) He had listened to
• - • r.d interest, and it appeared to him
s • • • aer more successfully demolahed
.; • •• L.: pmseoted than the noble lord
•' t r.-m'oer foe Cork delivered • good
•• t• • tu.ied attention to the imes of the
•• Mr. Disraeli), however, protested
• .L •Le present day for abolishing the
••• • .1. at by appeals to the time of Hoary
.• •• but the Loa, member loft Cork had
. 4 'be isaulity of the present system by
• • •• r so we tad a Lord-Liestenaat is
r •• Ws be :no spirit of self-relnace ;
--Ceara not r see the hon. gentleman, with
L•s. noise in 'WIT of a Lord Chancellor
•
mated tow • spirit of self-
. •• • d better by a Lord Chnacellor
. Leduc:et Wear, hear) The Inn. mem-
' • ••s• Mr. f.s,be.n.e, had made • very able
• • • ; • • ••:, and he Lai supported the motion
..• easemption that the mammal of
• wen:rid warn had been a govern
c'Jrurna, and murals. Bat,
• • 4., to menaces by him sad others
• • . tr. Lora• laj could refer to simoltaae-
.:•• •••••••y at mit worry, sad make oat as
".to and government of Eng.
.• •,4 .unmet the Cio is of Dahlia. He
•••••,••• a'..u• beck suits iafitienee, which,
: 'll5 14 usematitirional a meaner bad
•-•L• teen is mount periods. But would
•••• •! the %mad en before the hoes* ?
a.
of a ',sate, took their characters
'! • •
ere a which men lived. No ;
• bees corrupt, just as in
'owns. No doubt the public
• •
•••••. +moneyed si4OS that time, aa the
• • s/si swath improved ; and indeed be
ii13..1.45.1ei5.4 of the previa LLrd-
-1.• .r.• pore and uncorrupt as it could
tad ee.Usat the semi aaphsiolopoi
•••• ..0 s of that house, by ratline on
: teletes.ce to Kane. and
,r - • 1 the Cows of Dabsdi some
I. .ti..t..s.eee different from the
.• 4."'lssOft was to be considered
o• • ttAs I.,aurt of Eland would
its. . " ••'l not /men free from libels of
...MA fits ormesefat of bar present ,

Oa the anion of Mr. Faewen, an address war agreed
tofor a return of ell the humbug in &gland or Wales
which have been sequestered for the purpose of discharging
the debts of any incumbent since the pawing of the Act 1 &
2 Vie , e. 106 (14 k day of August, 1838), stating the names
of seek benefices, the date of the sequeeuatke, and the length
of time that each was or has been under sequestration, and
the arose amount of debts for the payment of which each
halibut was sequestered, the population and annual value
of each, and the county and dioc se in whi.th it is situated ;
and if there is more than one church, than the number of
churches to each of the said benefices, sod the annual
amount paid to the curate or curates to perform the ecclesi-
astical detke of each of the aid benefices.
GREECE.
Mr. COBDEN moved for • return of the British naval
force la tee By of Salamis, and the other wawa of Greece,
en the let day of March, let day of April, and Ist day of
May, giving the names of the vowels, with the numbers of
these crews, sad their complement cf gum The hon gen-
tleman said that hie object is moving for this rotate wet that
the Lowe might be aware what force bed been employed la
collecting a debt of eight or nine thousand pounds; and as
the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had informed them that
the affair wee fiaished, mid as the fleet had, therefore, be
presumed, been di.persed, he did not see how the right hon.
gentleman at the bead of the Admiralty could Gifu any
opposition to the motion. The return would,' perhaps, usi.t
in the devising of some better mode of settling such trifling
and trumpery disputes in future.
Sir F. BARING said it would be inconvenient to the
public service to let other powers kaow what force was
employed on Um let of May on any particular station; and
be must therefore take upon himself the responsibility of
resisting the motion.
Mr. BRIGHT said that similar returns to that moved fog
bad been ace, ded to with regard to the stations at Malta
and the Tagus ; and as it could not be guppy /A(4 that
other pow. rs were not acquainted with the amount of
force employed. It was aionlately puerile to mike the
public service the pretence for refusal.
Mr. HUME was afraid that the refuel to suede to the
motion would create mystery where there ought to be none.
(Hear, beer.)
Mr. COBDEN said that he wanted the return simply as •
record, and his motion had no reference whatever to our
present relations with France. He thought good aught
come out of the feet that the fiat had been emploerd
toilet Una • debt of about eight thousand pounds: Would
the right hoe. gentleman consent to the motion if it were
limited to the let April or the la of Much ?
Sir F. BARING said he must object to the whole return.
Mr. COBDEN said, that as there was, he believed! •
majority on the Treasury banish, it would be unless for his
to divide.
TM atlas was Skin method without a division.

measures of coercion, as long as Baron Gaos enter-
tained any hope of success, is probable. But that it
was stipulated that co ulterior measures should be
had recourse to until, after the failure of negotiation,
reference was made to the r.spective governments,
this does not appear. The French seem to take this
for granted; and if they are right in their assertion
or relief, then our Foreign Office is decidedly
wrong.
With respect to the charge that after the conclu-
sion of a sclemn convention, means were taken pur-
posely to retard its arrival, with its accompanying
instructions, into the hands of Mr. WYBt,—that is
too serious to be belittle!, without listening to
the explanations of the minister so accused. If
proved, we shall not be slow to condemn any minis-
ter guilty of such au act, which we think in truth to
be impossible.

These, however, are but hearsay charges. All we
know is, the French g mernment's deeming that in
the forcible conclusion of the Greek quarrel t':ey had
been wrong. 4 and slighted, and that the circumstances
warranted them in demanding cf the English cabinet
to diciere the late convention concluded at Athens as
annulled.

This was a very actions demand, atd one certainly
difLult to concede. The series of events which
have during the last twelvemonth taken place at
Vienna, Constantinople, and Athens, are but con-
nected points of the one struggle between the
British Foreign minister and the ministers of ab-
solutist prineiplis and courts. Whether it was
side to commence that struggle i.e one goestion ; but
the motive on both sides is pretty evident. There was
and is therefore the greatest reluctance on either ride
to yield, or have the appearance of yielding. Kin 4
Onto stood out, not from Greek interests evidently,
but from Russian dictation. The determination was
taken to overcome his resistance. And were Eng-
land, after having obtained her point, to abandon it,
there would be an ens and a reversal of all that she
has been struggling for in the Levant.
It is, however, greatly to be !molted that the
dignity and the amour projire of France should have
been compromised in this sifair. Although M. Thor.
VENEL in Athens b. hosed from first to last in the
most hostile and unwarrantable spirit, still the con-
duct of the French government and of Baron Onus
has been moat temperate and fair. And both deserved
better treatment, certainly, than events represent
them to have received. But though we lament the
umbrage that the French have taken and the causes
of it, we are not in a condition as yet to decide with
whom the fault actually lies.
The French government mast know, and the
French coaservatives ought to know, that England,
in the affair of Greece, bad no selfish or ambitious
aim—no aim, indeed, but ote which France herself
ought most conscientiously to support. The French
Beet for a time sailed in alliance and co-operation
with the British; and at a moment when the Fretch
executive is not in a position to defy the absolutist
powers, it ought, in truth, to be thankful that Eng-
land should show courage and hardihood in protecting
the constitutional cause in the Levant.

It is clear that these points of important
detail will now receive the attention which they de-
serve; but the very lame and impotent conclusion to
which the County Court Bill as amended had come, and
the very mischievous results which would have ensued
from it if passed into a law, have not utnaturally
alarmed and aroused the public, and we almost fear
that the consequence may be a feeling of re-action
against the principle of County Courts. This should
not be. The experiment has been tried, and the advan-
tages as well as the defects cf these local tribunals
are known, and their capacities can be fairly esti-
mated. It is the part of intelligent men to remove
their defects, and to fit them for a jurisdiction as
extended as possible. We entertain no doubt
but that throe courts might be improved
so as with advantage to undertake the cogni-
sarce, not only of ordinary debts to the amount of
511., but also the administration of the smaller local
charities. Only, thr se or any other increased duties
or responsibilities must not be cast thoughtlessly, and
without prevision, opm courts not framed for their
discharge, or the public will become disgusted with
tribunals which were intended as boons. Mean.
could easily be devised by which ceases likely to oc-
cupy time in their investigation might be removed
from the jurisdiction of these subordinate courts, and
their inquiries confined chiefly to matters of simple
debt and contract ; for instance, if a judge at cham-
bers were made the arbiter as to the propriety
of bringing an action in the superior court,
ineuad of the county court, and of deciding similar
questions before trial, an advantageous mode of re-
terence would be established, and one which would
render appeals to a great extent unnecessary.
But we need not to proceed with suggtstions, for
the question is now in the hands of practical men,
and the mode in which, though late, they have taken
it up, confirms the truth of our remarks relative to the
manner in which bills are prepared and submitted to
the cowideration of parliament. If the bill now in
provess through the House of Commons, and which
affects so materially the commercial interests
of the whole country, had been prepared
by some one acquainted with the subject to
which it relate., and responsible also for the due har-
mony of this amendment with other parts of the law,
how different would it have been. And the circumstance
that at the very same moment two measures of such
importance as the Stamp Duties Bill, and this for the
alteration of the law in regard to all transactions not
exceeding 501. in amount, should be arrested, as it
were, in mid career, and either suspended or with-
drawn, gives strong proof. of the incapacity of the
members of the House of Commons to act as legal
draftsmen. A responsible public officer should be
appointed.

We own, however, that events as they oc-
coned, or as they have been mismanaged, have placed
the French cabinet in an awkward position before the
National Assembly; and that the step they have
taken, though unfriendly to this country, was the
only one that could set them and the President right.
Alter truckling to absolutism and priestdom in Rome,
it would not do to allow themselves to be hustled,
though but in seeming, by England at Athens. Con-
sequently, the courage which Leila the French govern-
ment when opposed to Austria in the affairs of Italy.
it has all of a sudden found apropos of a small
misunderstanding with England and Greece. The
President of the Republic is forced to this by the
hatred which the French re-actionists bear to
what they consider the coo liberal spirit
of the whigs in their foreign policy. Tne
French conservatives applaud the re-subjuga-
tion of Italy—its re-delivery to the Austrians and the
priesthood. The French conservatives applaud the
invasion of Hungary by Russia, and its decimation
by its offended conquerors. The English whig
government, however conservative enough at
home, is not absolutist or reactionary to this
extent abroad ; and hence the avowed preference of the
Russian alliance to the English, by the members of that
majority whohope to triumph by gagging the national
press and bayonetting pinular suffrage. The justice
and wisdom of this party were made indeed pretty
manifest last night by Lord BROUGHAM, who
represented himself es overwhelmed by letters from
them, complaining of the countenance given by the
British government to Messrs. LEURU ROLLIN, CArs-
-BIDiiRE, and LOUIS BLAND. The sole countenance
afforded to these exiles is, that they are not pro-
scribed or put in prison. M. LEDRU ROLLIN'S recent
volume shows pretty clearly the countenance he
has met in London. The demands of the French
conservatives in this respect are ten times more arro-
gam, ignorant, and pusillanimous, than the demands
of NAPOLEON BONAPARTE respecting PELLETIER.
When the French conservatives thus judge what is
doing in London within twelve hours' distance of
them, the enlightenment and impartiality which
guide their opinion respeatiai what has passed at
Athens, may be conceived.

IN the present "merry month," when, in ostenta-
tious defiance of Mr. CARLYLE, orators are holding
forth on every poes;ble "stump" and every con-
ceivable subject, emulating the brilliancy of meteors
while partaking perhaps only of their evanescence,
and resembling bees in their numbers rather than
their utility ; in short, when the soil of public speak-
ing is so fertile that fresh flowers of rhetoric spring
up after every glass of water, while its fruits are so
seldom to be seen—it is gratifying to find several
thousands of persons gathered together in a cause
which is as excellent as it promises to be successful.
In Exeter-hall, on Tuesday night, were assembled
—ere cannot tell how many thousands of persons—
but certainly a sufficient number to fill the hall
itself to very inconvenient excess, without satisfying
the requirements of a large proportion of enthusiasts
who crowded the lobbies and stairs, and maltreated
the door-keepers. The respectable audience who
crowded Exeter-hall on Tuesday were neither land-
holders nor undertakers, howling after protection ;
they were not languid dilletanti, big with
the advent of a new prima donna; they were
not unreflecting zealots bent upon sending mis-
sionaries to the mountains of the moos, and securing
for " Quashee " a tract in addition to his " abundant
pumpkin;" neither were they the degraded and
brutalised mass for whom a public execution could
possess charms—they were a well-informed, sober,
sensible body of persons, engaged in a good cause,
and armed with all the weapons that faith and en-
thasisam can bring into the field. The supporters of
the "Ragged School Union" had beard strange
stories for many weeks past of the evils of the system
to which they lend their aid ; they had heard
their favourite institutions styled " nurseries of
crime ;" they had seen ',studies summed up into
appalling totals to prove not only that ragged school
education was mischievous, but that education of any
kind warn the great enemy of morals and prosperity.
In support of this strange theory they had heard of
prisons being ransacked to catch up the stray opinions
nf the respective and respectable gentlemen who take
cars of the souls and the keys in those institutions;
they had heard of policemen in a preternatural state
of enlightenment hitherto unexampled in the force,
giving crashing testimony as to the " hevils of pro-
misees hintercourse ;" and they had heard of
juvenile thieves, who doubtless possessed all
the chivalrous love of truth which is as-
cribed to the celebrated Mr. SHEPPARD, as redeem-
ing all his burglaries—dating their initiation into
crime from their first admission into ragged
schools. The puzzled subscribers would doubtless
have been treated to the additional testimony of va-
rious erudite beadles and baked-potato men—who are
the great fountains and source of the new school of
knowledge ; —and, doubtless, the political opinions of
• few precocious charity-boys would have been
brought to bear on the question—on the principle
that "every little helps"—but for an unfortunate and
untimely event. This was nothing less than the
utter overthrow, as a connected argument, of the great
edifice which had taken so many little people to erect.
The fabric was proved to have been raised upon,

FRANCE.

PARIS, FRMAY, T P.X.
We were as much surprised on reading the minis-
terial explanations in the British parliament of the
meaning of the return of M. I)rcuyn de ilium as
you will be to sec the positive eatement of General
Lahitte that he had the President's orders to recall
the French ambassador, because his presnice at the
coin of London was no longer compatible with the
dignity of France after the affront received from the
British cabinet. It was noticed with surprise that
the statement of General Lahitte was altogether
omitted from the official report of the sitting of the
Assembly in the Malheur. Th,s omission seemed a
protest from the quarter of the executive against the
officiality of the act.
General Lahitte complained to-day in the Cham-
ber of this singular proceeding, and was told by
Mph], who by the way has just returned from the
Nievre to resume his chair, that the report had gone
astray to the offices of some of the evening papers, the
lameness of which excuse moved murmurs along the
benches of the Right.
Lord Normsnby retires to-day to Versdlles, where
hie excellency possesses a residence.
Numerous English people called yesterday after-
noon at the British embassy to inquire if it would be
safe to remain in Pars after the withdrawal of our
ambassador. They were informed that in that lase •
charge ci'atfaires would be lefr, and that the conditions
of their personal security would mutter no alteration.
The Union, leading organ of the legitimists, con-
tains the following revelation with regard to the pro-
ceedings of the French cabinet in the recall of M.
Drooyn de l'Huys:
It was during the absence, and without the knowledge of
the President of the Republic, that the recall of oar ambas•
sector wee decided on by ins Council of Miail'en, assisted by
one of the most considerable men in the political world. The
President of the Republic had gone to Fontaintileau, hoping
that the difference would not be attended with any maples-
sant results. Re nevertheless declared that he consented to
the recall of M. Drouyn de IMuys, in case Lord Palmer-
ston made use of offensive language with regard to France.
Avery arrogant dispatch from Lard Palmerston arriving
suddenly, the Council of Ministers, on the advice of the
person above alluded to, thought proper to reply imme
diwely by the despatch which ordered M. Drouyn de IMuys
to leave his post. We are assured that the President, on re-
turning to Pan, heard with the most lively emotion of the
conduct of the cabinet. Several chiefs of the majority went
in the evening to the Elysie to confer with the President.

The statement of the Union, however, obtained no
credit whatever in the Chamber ; although it would
go far towards explaining the answer made by mi-
nisters in the British parliament, which have excited
here the greatest surprise.
The Debate and itsseeiblie Nistionule contain arti-
cles full of violent abuse against Lord Palmerston.
The Dibata complains of this last sample of those
michantes espiigkrtes of the English foreign secre-
tary, which have earned the enmity of all the cabinets
of Europe, and of the " impertinence " of this
" Esprit malfaisant et bronillon."
M. Leon Faucher read yesterday his report to the
committee on the new electoral law. It will not be
presented before Monday, on account of the commu-
nication made by the ministry of the statiscal docu-
ments moved for by M. Itigal, which the committee
wishes to examine. The report having been presented
on Monday, the debate will probably begin on the
'Thursday following.
The troops hays been consigned to barracks. A
most energetic order of the day was read to them. I
harp that commands have been given, in the most
positive manner, to shoot incantly any soldier who
hesitates to obey orders.
The fonds were yesterday evening at one moment
very weak. The Fives fell to 86.23, but rallied, and
closed at 87. This morning, before the Bourse, the
same stock varied from 86 80 to 87.10. The Parquet
opened with steadiness, at 87; and during all the
Bourse the tendency was rather upwards than down-
wards. Bat at the close there was a fall of 23 cen-
times upon yesterday. There prevailed a general
opinion that the recall of M. Drouynde I'Huys would
not be followed by a serious rupture, but only by a
coolness. That coolness, however, will be of the
greatest importance to the politics of Europe, if it
should last.

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The attention paid to the debate after the an-
nouncement of the recall of the French Miniattr
from London wu very slight, and M. Drouyn de
l'Hays, who continued to be the object of mach
attention, remained in the house till six o'clock, at
which hour the chamber rose. _ .

To-day in the Assembly agr at number of peti-
tions were presented against the electoral law, by
various members of the Left, amid great noise, and
confusion. Several members were called to order.
Then the debate was resumed on the budget. Nothing
important occurred except the vote raising the postage
one sou.
By a vote of the Assembly to-day tho postage of
letters in France has been raised from 20 to 23 cen-
times.

WE are glad to tad that the opinions which we
long since expressed respecting the County Court
Extension Bill are responded to by the merchants
aid traders of London: and while in our advertising
columns yesterday there appeared the report of their
committee, we publish to-day a letter from a respect-
able tradoeman,which well exemplifies the misconcep-
tions which prevail upon this subject, and shows the
manner in which men are led astray by the name of
an act for the Morelse of the facilities of creditors.
The facts detailed by our oorrespwident, and upon
the strength of which he deprecates any oppo-
sition to the County Court Extension Bill, are such
as support precisely, so far as they extend, the com-
plaints and objections of the merchants and traders of
London. His grievance occurred under the county
court system, in respect of a debt within the limits of
the Small Debt Act. Under the present law the
county court was open to him for the recovery of his
debt, but, u his debtor lived more than 20 miles from
London, he had an option of ening in the superior
mutts. He and his lawyer thought that this would

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The Journal du Havre says :
We announced yesterday that in consequence of instruc-
tions from Paris, the permanent levy of classed sailors,
which had been interrupted for sme months, was about to
be resented at Ham. It tomtits from new information that
orders have bees given to proceed immediately to the levy
of salon, aged from 20 to 40, who have not accomplished
four years' service on board the vessels of the state. Yester-
day a first detachment left by the Finistdre, for Brest, by
Mortals. Whatever may be the motive of such as unex•
posted measure, it hes caused in our town great emotion,
especially among shipowners whose (mentions it threatens to
embarrass. If we are well informed, the Chamber of Com-
merce has written to the minister to demand that the cr.ws
of vemels now being fitted out shall be exempted from the
measure, and in case the levy shell be rigorously mein
mined, to solicit from the present. in favour of the ship-
owners, to be allowed to engage greater numbers of foreign
sailors than fixed by the regulations. It seems to us that the
government might, under such circumstances, make known
the motives of measures calculated to alarm numerous
fate maw muse a very grave perturbation In commercial
traasastioss.