The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-30 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 30, 1850. .

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS —MONDAY, JOLT 20.
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TM Leeds Comosi•eilaws wen the Lied Cluneallor, tae
left ondiate. and the Earl of Cadiele.
HIGHWAY RATES. TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINU-
ANCE, CANTERBURY SETTLEMENT LANDS
BILL.
These bah severally passed through seenalmee, sad were
reported to the house.
BILLS OF EXCHANGE BILL.
This ball was read a seemed time.
MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN.
The Margot, of LANSDOWNE read the following mare.
ease from her Abbot,: Her Majesty beim Melrose that
the home willed Marlb meal 1/911911 Amid be secured I.
his Royal Highness Albert Edward, Priam of Wales, attar
be shall ham attained the age of 18 man, dung the joist
lives of her Majesty and his said Royal Michaele, room
meads the Home of Lied. to concur ie eaabling her Majesty
M vent and nettle the nese la each mama, and with Mick
provokes% as will 'Steamily scompliek such wpm"
The allele marquis gave nonce that be would non that her
Majesty's ineemege be takes lato cemidaratioa tomorrow
(this day).
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL.
Os the et 34i06 of the Menisie of LANSDOWNE. Me
order of the My Marge
aka LA
mu' ameadmenta
to this bill was discharged.
EMIGRANT SHIPS.
153•11 seavonatios kens/ takes Mae' between the Earl of
HoDirrtmenaLL and Earl 01111 f Plipsedeg the Hemisphere
=stes:ip, a maim was agreed to for ea address for the
Cowskeicinere watt.
The Leasehold Tenures of Lead Let (belied) Amerulment
BOROUGHwee a Wed time sad Dewed. atter cwt. diecaDion.
OURTS OF RECORD (IRELAND)
BILL.
We bill west threepth essamittee. The report was rs.
Mind, sad the hill ordered to be mad a third time on Than►
dacieir lordships thee adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MowDAT, JOLT 29.
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THE CASE OP THE BARON DR ROTHSCHILD.
ADMISSION OF JEWS TO PARLIAMENT.
The debate on the motion for reading the order of the Soy
der the adjourned debate on the qe. stion of the domed by
the limo Lionel de Rothschild tole sworn on the Old TOO.
IMMO OP 1M eatha required to be taken by members of the
lames of COMMONS was given in yesterday's Express up to
Mont half pest two, at which time Sir F. bldg., was
Weis, Mr. Hu=e's amendmeat (upon Sir R. Tains%
=Whiles), to the 'feet that the elated Member kre
alb of London should be galled in and the stork directed is
admiaister to him the oaths upon the Old Testament.
WM oar report loft, the boa. and learned mamba ler
daingdon went on to my that the oath of lareirOMO IMO lOW
tained in the 3rd Jas. 1., and was to be applied to pspW re-
Masnats. Bat it was not until thiadt Isms I. that oesnolien
of parliament were required to take it. That
nee contained the word,. " On the true faith
of a Christian." Now he could find no 'titration
made in the Ist of Elizabeth and 3rd of James down to the
SOlik of Charles I l , nor say &tirades in that regarding the
slabs of allegiance god supremacy, as it oily required sseem-
bee, of parliament, besides taking those oaths, is subscribe •
eisebration against traasubatantiatioa. Thus, then, according
to the Ist of Elizabeth and the 3rd of James the =thief alle-
giance and supremacy were to be token on the Holy Essays-
iWs on the true faith of • Christian. So matters remaiss4
until the let of William sad Mary, when an sheradon did
take plate. That act repealed the 30th of Charles 11. so far
as it concerned these oaths of allegiance and npremsey.
It then provided a new form of oath oa the Holy Evan.
plies ; but it enacted that evety person taking the substi-
tuted oaths in the manner and tom In which, under the
30th Charles 11., strobe= were required to take then,
should be considered to have taken the oaths required by the
legislature. Seder, then, that the 30th Charles 11. only
referred to the existing oaths, which were three prescribed
by the let Elizabeth and 3rd Jester, it clearly appeared that
thou* oaths required to be taken by the let William and
Miry were to be taken " on the Holy Evangelist.."
Chap. 8 =stained the alteration of the oaths, but
did not apply to members of parliament at all. The oaths
te be taken by them, therefore, rested on the let William
sad Mary, chap. 1, and not upon chap. 8. The law
so remained until the 13th and 14th William 111., when the
oath of abjuration was introduced, eontain,ng the words,
" upon the true faith of • Christian," and that oath was re-
quired to be taken by menthe= of parliament with the oaths
of allegiance and supr.sseny. From the 13th and 14th
William 111. down to the let George 1., there was no
substantial alteration in the form of the oath of allegiance.
The oaths required to be taken were t' • oaths et allegiance
and supremacy upon the holy evangelists, and the oath of
abjuration, which could of 'curse be taken only in the
Christian form. He now came to the 1 Geo. 1., whisk was
tae act that contained the the= mks of a:lei/ism. sere-
wry, and abjuration, pretty much in the form in which they
were now taken; the two first, indeed, entirely so, the
alteration being confined to the third. The queetion the
home was new called upon to decide was, whether the
1 G to. I. had introduced an entirely sew law on the
subject. and whether—bseause it did not in terms pmeribe
that the oaths of allegiance and supremacy were to he takes
upon the holy evangelists, it did not virtually operate as •
repeal of these acts which did enable • person pretends'
himself at the table of that house to take the oaths on the
Old Testament. That was the question they were celled on to
decide. The oivbs of allegiance and supremacy were word for
word, exesptieg the alteration of the King's name, the same
m the oaths which were formed on .the let Will. & Mary,
end which he issisted it was nieessary to take on the holy
evangelism. It was mimed by kis opponents that
the let Geo. I. repealed this expression in the
previous sets, and enabled persons, so far as regarded
ensiles°, and supremacy, to tome to that table and take
dies, oaths in the Jewish font on the Old Testament. That
wee the prepodthea contended for ow the other side. Now,
the 161 seethe of the let Geo. I. txpressly required that
the oath of abjuration =oath be taken by nimbus= par-
liament, together with the other oaths--tbear, haul—
before they could take their soda. The oath of klagianoe
contented those important words : " em the true faith of a
Christian ;" and that being so, how scald it be opasidered
that it was the object of the legislature to allow persons to
take the =du at that table, not is the Christian form, but
in the Jewish Item, or la any form which their Gum,
their node= of religion, or anything binding on their
mowed-gas might indoor the. to 'sleet ? (Hear, hem.)
He maintained that the =elation of the legiiilatars was that
the only Mai, bra I. which these oaths weld be taken
sad admiaieored was the Christian form in which they bad
beta taken from the earliest period, and not only not hair-
tared with by the let Geo. 1., but &sectioned and tiontianed
by the legislimethreagh that act. If there was any doubt
as to the legitimate sowstruetios of that set, he would my,
and he believed ell lawyers would agree with him, that
eersieseporweiew evositso was the beat iatarpreter. And
what was the oeistampersasees exposition as gives by •
high authority in that how ? Why that from the time of the
Ice Ose. I. down to the prt&snt this in the first °cession of •
paean presenting himself at that table and desiring to be
swoon by any other mode than upon the gospels He
ventured to assort that so siessably or authority I. the
mats" send dung, the form of as oath, more especially of
a preatiesery oath, which was required by an set of parlia-
ment, by the authority of the legislature itself. Great
stria, had lss laid on the of of parliament mentioned
In the =pert, the lot and Red Victoria. He maintained
that the Island Pad Vie. had se bearing whatever on say ex.
Wing law, mei sestelosi so Mressges of any existiag law.
Ste tae aboardleion M white mils, would be drives who son-
toad= that IS might be sidetitsted fee the let Geo. 1.,
regattas the Ism of oath to be administered ow
the prism menolon. If the argument were good far
anything It nest be carried to its fullest =teat,
sad mot sot be iamb to apply to this or that particular
oath. That being se, low, he would ask, scald it be sari
oast cientended than while the Ist Geo. I. required the oath
of abjuration is be taken weft the other oaths, and that
while that oath esstalaid the words " on the true faith of •
disiesisa" a pewees would be =tided by the operatics of
the LA sad Zed Vis , e 108
an
berto teke the oath of abjuration
W reel be the Jewish fens. His hos. d learned
asrvisist used the ether day must go that length,
or it was net valid. He (Sir F. Thesiger) contended en the
other die, that the Ist A Pd Vie. being an affirmative itatute,
could have no effect upon any esistiih law, much lee repeal
say midis; law ; sad he sabsaittod that he had satiefee-
terily shown that the matter must be decided on the let
Oeo. 1., which madeed uoaffeeted and unreosalrd by
that declaratory act. Assenting then that Baron Rothschild
was got prepared to take the oath of abjuration, with the
words, " on the tree faith of a Christisa," he felt he was
justified in also assuming that the house was not prepared to
allow any one to take his =at in that house, unless a
prof. sties Roman catholic, without biking the oath of
allegiaace, supremacy, and abjuratioo. According to his
view of the law therefore, it wee impossible the oaths could
be adaithisthreeito Baron Rothschild in the form he proposed.
He (Sir F. Thither) apprehended that he was sanctioned in
that opinion by the course of promdine and the high
authority of the noble lord opposite. Nay, men of the
greatest Intelligence and Light= legallearning were
deeply interested in this question sad very &ono=
that the Jews should be adenintd to pediment, and
it was certainly • presumption against this sudden
mode of proceeding that none of thews men had ever dreamt
of such a =um before. (Hear hear ) The Introductiin
of • bill by the noble lord and Its reintroduction after he
had heard the evideecie before the emusittete, showed in the
strongest masa that he did not =adder there was any
Mart oat to a seat is that how or that Jews could be ail.

He mfad
that eastan-
opposed to him the oesthethem loth
son mid, la the pretest hth. elthli le that booth mad e 1
to be seam. widest befog pospeartelakethe
milestone, and impremasy, end abluestioo, .ad wi
tiling than oaths in the hem etthish the tighten»
provided, namely,* the Christiaithrs, asel set emordina
to any wan has. (Monk)
Laid J. HIIMIELL—The prissiele ea which I Ca
to peened is thin: The sinters of Leaks have
neat • geathemaa to this beset, sleeted by • Wk-
city of times who have • vette to that eked's.
They ban set sly ewe bat twin retuned him
to this his.., eat I ay It le die to them—le is
doe to the whale body el einem" of this Hefted
Keehn that they sheath see that thiy amend have the
fat dales to whisk they ala pretend,
and that nothsag bat
the 'nein Manske et law attend wee as to name the
adminies to a seat in this louse; sad that to the mane,
ao ded=egokaileglat to gin every hdlity sheet of that
wake* el the law, ead that whes that nth
tin othillsethemM the law arise:, sad than oily,
awdog=
to mike* to the nimble *Lanni lie seat
le ltho beam the Ws. sad 1 and pestle.
oath.
_I 4. hem
bean obliged tepee this esiWed
le Man rather hem she of amest that whisk k
h sot la theft hither. that whisk is sot dearly prescribed by
the., to aim lahronne tram the kagnage of hem
gob el mats of which have been repealed, bet
which so Woke ought by Inman to bfal se at this ow
eosin. Now I will endeavour to ate, in the spirit in which
lime stated, whether there an say of those acts of
pulia-
MOO that are is bieding as to oblige u to refuse beßaton
Hothighlid the pewee to take the oath& is the hem
lila be deis to this house Is the most
Wale ea hie mensiesoc The boa. sad knead
assitsmen has stated his belief that befogs the sth
of Blinabeik then were oaths takes anion to amain
to this Man I know so authority for seek aa amertien,
and he my own pert, ciesovivinir myself bound by than acts
Plittnett. I Mk* doubt the polity of than use; sad
I *kik if we were 'an boned to polity
to the letter of
these acts, we timid gad that all these somplioned oaths
hove given as so additional security, bet have been rather
liming to mesa& egoadem, to ponies the minds of
theme who have to take skein, sad have neither
gins any further ken*, for allegisan nee made may
been provkioa be legislation in this lime. I, thanking.
ineten of believing with the kn. and leaned
believe that the whim .1 easiest leglentioa T2•°:11::•
dissension agree Winn various dosses of Chris
Ino—P%at the assign whims of ear balalaika did set
prescribe oaths es the emeles of takiag seats la this been.
It Is of nine important, but set sneakily of pareaseaut
inpatient, to see that we do set donate from the
meat spirit of oar Inislaties. (Hear, hear.)
Let it, thee, be easseded that there is an act of the
frth of Elizabeth which preeeribee corporel oaths to be admi-
nistered to members of this house, and taken oa the holy
evangelists. The set el 7 Janes I. likewise prescribes oor-
mal oaths to be takes ea the holy enagelists. Here the
hon. ad leaned gestleman stops, and mays it Is quite clear
that oaths were to be takes ea the holy measlier, that
then were Christie& wattle, and that we are hosed to
initiates the orb oaths sow takes at the table ought to
M Obehthan teak air, I slop here. I find that s goate-
e= illy elated a member has proposed to take the oaths
em amend hem, to • form mead to this home, bemuse
that so Mine mamba bee over, that I ban ef, proposed to
lehe the eras ta that llorm. There is as imlione. se pens-
ion of way masthee having bees refuted to take the oath in
that dina. He WINS before us anis, that privilege, and
Is k fte as to coseider, the demand bong unusual, how
we are to manse this mots by which we are bound, and the
eatoms and usages of 'erliegen. Well, thee, having no
precedent as to tie ems p of this house, me tar as the refusal
to allow the oaths to be taken on the Old
Tolerant, I naturally go to the usages which
are in courts of law, sad befogs I come to the
distinction between the i promissory ad judicial nth',
let as sea how they have interpreted this liana of taking
the oaths on the holy evangelists, sad there I hid the very
highest authority for the. saner In which then oaths are
take.. I quite admit that if that at was is foxes at present,
cioataining the week that the oaths should be taken on the
holy lists, we might 'appose that the Hely Bible, the
Old and New Teetaisest, was intended by these words.
I find that the Lied Chasealler Hardwick* mays that if a
Jew should be 'adieus& for perjury, and it were °kneed
that the words is the oath were metro *metal Dei e wingeliNt,
that that might be eatenind, and the indictment hold and,
as the Old Teetemest was the roangeliwis of the Jews. Now,
that is a eternal sewing from the very highest authority.
When I find this, I say at one I do not think that the
words contained to the sets of Elizabeth and James the
Fast are is tact caselseive epos the subject. Bat honed
this, I find two very remarkable earnestness I the
one that in the at of George the First I do set
find that in that which at present regulates our proceedings.
and gives the iota to the osthe—l do not find that then
are say similar directions. The hon. sad learned gentleman
dwells, sad properly, upon the authority of those acts ; belt
I submit that, if that act repeals former acts, and that if the
acts of Elizabeth and Junes ars no longer to guide us, why
teen we are not bound even by thole words the Holy Evan-
adieu—we are not bawd by siege—and I submit that there
u no set at the prosiest moment which Durk us to consider
these oaths as not to be administered on the Old Testament,
mil prevents the administration of the oath to
lowa. It is another and important consideration
OM hem the Ist to the 13th of William 111. there is no
nth that directly excludes the Jews from taking the oath st
this table. It has been argued, and it may be rightly
argued, but I am net entering into that question now, that
the Jews were prevented by other statutes and by the law of
the land from taking the oaths to sit in parliament; but the
question is now, whether there was anythiag at that time
which preened their sitting in parliament by the oaths. Now
the words " is the true faith of • Christian" were not at that
time in the proscribed form of oath, sad will any person
contend that if any person had come here to take the oaths,
supposing there had been no other objection. you could have
stated thanks acts of Elinoeth end James I. were et bind-
ing urn you that without any other words you were bound
to sic' u4a the Jew because he could only take the oaths oa
the Old Testament. I main that you could not
have so excluded him. We come then to consider what is
the manner in which the oaths have been taken. The
honourable and learned gentleman nye they have always
been taken in • Christian form. But at the same time
the honourable and learned gentleman contended
that this was • matter of positive statute, and as I submit be
failed t 3 make ant that by positive statute we were bound to
administer the oaths is the form in which we usually ad-
minister them. He mid only show that it had been the
custom according to ancient ace of parliament ; that it bad
been the custom, I submit, because those who had presented
thenselni at this table had bees always willing to take the
oaths on the New Testament, and unless you can point
cut some statute whicla prevents the oaths bel
administered cm the Old Testament. I act not thiff
that you ought to insist upon an objection which torus from
your table a member who has been duly elected. The hon.
and learned gentleman eaditavoured to answer the annum
taken Inn the act of parliament very recently ,
which says that if perms& are sworn upon any on, on
zitsairent to dike or employment, or upon any occasion ,
such person is bound by the oath adminis-
tered. Now I confess I do not think that that
statute is completely concluive upon the subject.
Bet at lent it does this: it secures you from
one of the dangers of admitting an oath which Is not
otherwise prescribed, and that if • person is guilty of perjury
he would be subject to all the penalties which • person would
be subject to taking the oaths according to the customary
form. Well, then, what are the oaths which the member
he the City of Load's would have to take? The bon.
sad learned geatlemaa ocatends that these objections are
of that nature that they form • conclusive objection
la the first lastest* against his being sworn upon
the Old Teat/amt. I owe that it appears to
ms that you ought not to go so far as to pre-
dodo argument on this abject. It does appear
to me. I will confess, that them acts to which the bon.
midi beamed gentleman be. referred—sanely, the 9th
0... 1., sad the 13th Geo. II , that those words, giving
exemption from the words " on the true faith of &Christian "
is certain cease which are than waled ad prescribed—
these words ewes to me to preclude this house from
emit the weeds " ea the tea faith of • Christian."
( theirs.) Bat the question now is whether the
member hit Leaks shoed be Minted to go es far as to
be Mee M the Old TIMISMIIot, and to Mate, either by
bimesYer hie oested. Mist with le Is reedy to take, sad is
what seam he fo may to take them. Seen hove essissied,
OM
antemded very poweefeffiy. that am weeds " la the
tom pith of a .OWIN are-only the maths, the *nth-
methes, of the nth, sod do sot
M bslong to the oath lissiL
ae, bear.) Now, sir, I think whatever may he the
se that argument we ought not to be Lealedith(kma 71s
eming it, ad that the hoe. member w Aegis It dwelt
he at Abney to show it by arguneut and not left without
Mto Mae it. My own opinion is that if it
om Meted is the beginning of the oath " I
sia a thithellos," oe " I mhos myself a Christian,"
It might ben bees imenthent with that oath that he
fa the bet beam swear on the Old Testament.
%What is set dier sea. The case is cue entirely
&thereat. TM intesties el putting in those words,
" unit the thee Ma obehths " was to gin a solemnity
sad a tenths is the ma takes by one elms of Christiana,
Bandy, the Hama sahebs, who might be inspected of
ddeadleslles is the tom, and not to seclude the Jews. That
Is • mishrion4 of the ergament. I have stated that I
Mak that it is not in the power of the
home le with then words. When the queen
mem to be dollinedia thethialy, with all the study that I
brw shall ID the iptindso, shall fed myself compelled to
nee agile than wads being omitted from the oath. (Op
pothira thigen.) Bat I do not thiou e ambled to de-
ism that Berm iteessiikl shall ng
noty bear sworn in the form
that heath= melt bYiag on his conacienoe. And, toot-
w es this as I hen stated, to be • matter for
delitieratios, I think that you should allow a
e who proposes to havens at the table of thia house
wenatitude, in order to the moo hilly and amply stated.
I think the le due to the dawn of the City of Looks.
This each lease to the right of being a representative Is
parliemes•-•seight, be It remembered, not fee this bomb M
the isthielithal, hat a right for the benefit of lb. Whale iisuk
of this nostry. Now I have stead that I would shale la a
ormidiwciadtkaieliadhatbmal have assythet
It my duty to peeled. It was said
gay in this debate by ea hos. oballikit Oil it
bad been declared this was no party I.
affirmed that It win • party qa
was the groat party qualm of the age, _Mee le wog she
question of prejudiceagainst progress, of latehtesse god
bigotry ageing this principle of eivil and
Now I must sty I entirely dissent holder
(Hear, hear, from the oppoeitioa.) If it were a quietism ef

prijudise and progress, of. elvE sad eel *leis Lamy, I have I
aillelibt 1 11111•11 rqw skews, OM. I
ttobe ? _eilatinsd to a seatja tlils ties*,, that tart valil *km lOU. It, and 'Van Is nothing
mane at of a deg Spin to protest theft. (Charm)
shit which have to sessider is tin a Piety gaieties.
is an a smesties. it Is a quays toir
esebnd es laws es they sow stamille ahatt ams nn
411111ing Is seat. I feel ecovissal that It pera an of opi.
by
ales that lawfully the Bases eat alto his seat,
rat ought all verse*, whatever panel essiogassees
yea think ma fellow, winnow yes may escsiga deem
laugh= eheneter IN this ris teed Matti ts
M it. Bat es the alter head U yes do on dna
tbs. the law ambles Ina to Mks his sees seassisi to the
seer that are sow is terse, se *pions that is lantavalas to
the olive of*. Jews, wittiest a legislative meow% eight
to beim yen to amass, wish the meal Ism of oath. I
say eyes an to take my ether muse, U yea are
late Meeks with the nuns of law, ea/ yes era apt j
by the weed* of the este of poniuseat ups whisk ma are
sada& nest mime evils sitht follow. But, sly, I should
Set be afraid, if I was perked, orovissed that we
Were la the sight—l shield set Ise afraid el monist with
privilege say decides of a men of law. But then is a
moans evetassd this. If yea are sot fully atavism&
that yes an weeding to law, if yea propose Mest
11011IWIling to nes, if ma masses to est beams it is
la the preasetios of *loll sod religious liberty--you will be,
is fast, onesisies that dines/as power, Wi atemin
et whin by the norm Irmaght the people of this
'emery, Justly sad easefully, to asks the revolatnee.
(Hear.) I skald be worry jailed if this how, whisk has
sow mach of the power that formerly belooged to the
,rows should attempt to trzersies any sash power. I was
wry, Weed, to hear it predelmed is this Mae, that we
"ask to treat the question otherwise than as a jadkdal
gentian. I wee happy. as I stated at the tommememest,
to dad that the and learned derma had treated it
th Lealamaasor, sad, I arm, that IYroephoat the net ef the
it will be so treated. (Hoar, Mar.) I have dated
the results to which I have OWN upon the preens queens.
I think the member clalang his seat, the Bares Enke-
Mild ought to have his deemed complied with, that be
should be allowed to swear in the Old Testament, sad that
the house should non fairly and deliberately weigh every-
:lo:zithst cm be said m to his taking the cosh' ; bat, ao-
to my own opinion, I awn loam out aay put of
these oaths without ths ranks of aa set of parliannat.
(Chee A.
Sir . INGLIS said, at the risk of (eluting his antis
kited, he scald not fallow hiss without throttles bin for
the navel courses sad predates of kis smock. He thanked
him for both, bat if he were prepared to follow the prepaid
tioa of his noble friend, be would sok him respectfully In
what state would be plan BUM Reneshild when he came
to the table. Ho ante hired esommil to ham forgotten that
the inns the bin la his hand sad hilltop the book was
sot the first act, bit the last an, of taking the oath, and that
the boa. gewlemes the member for the sky of Loados
nut be coosidered as binding himself to all the three
oaths. He hod been told it was desirable to leave the
how to decide spas the sensitive. His own wish would
lead him to take the some of the house upon the swathe •
bat if it was the wish of the house to take it upea the
, affirmative, instead of the motive, be should ban no
objectioo.
G. GREY said there was a cosnainion to-day, which
, would oblige the Speaker to take the Aar at a quarter to 6.
, Ho moved that the house d s now adjoure.
, Mr. DISRAELI asked when the Irish Franchise Bill
would acme on ? _ _ _ .

Lord 1. was understood to reply that that bill
would be brought on au Thursday, thetimod of termorrow
(Tuesday), when this debate would hi resumed.
Mr. MOORE said he sad many other Irish members
had remained in tooth ow wpm. for the Irish Franchise
Bill, and he wished to know when it was to some so.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said he had an objection that this
debate should be adjourned till tomorrow. He thought
that this being a quietism of privilege, the debate ought to
be withstood tonight; sad further, after the somewhat ex.
unordinary speech of the noble lord, they who supported
Skis measure were plead in a dilemma.
Sir G. GREY—The question is that the debate be ad-
journed. When that is decided it will be for the house to
decide to what time. . . .

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Mr. ANSTEY said he rose to give the noble lord au op-
portunity for ezplanatioa. The noble lard had stated very
justly that this was a judicial question. He wished to ask
the noble lord, before his unfortunate sad unadvised speech
went forth to the country, whether they were to understand
that, whatever might be the arguments which they, fa their
places is parliament, might Waal, or whether they were
urged by saunas' at the bar, that Berea Rothschild had a
right to take his seat is that house tho noble lord would
give his vote with those who hitherto, with much coons-
tansy, had opposed say concession to the Jews.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that he would only say that
this question was, of course, not new to him, tor he
was told lest gear as well se this year tket Baron kothechild
sight demand to take his seat, and of eosins it became kid
duty tooossaider the question very maturely. He did so con-
sider it both lud year and in the preens' year ; and last you
he asked the then Attorney General, and this year be bad
asked the pressat Attorney-Ostend, and neither of them
had been able to advise him to vote in favour of the oaths
being taken with the omission of the words " on the true
faith of a Christian." And he could not either bring his
own mind to that conclusion. With these opinions and the
best study he could give to the question, he had come to
that result which he thought it his duty to tome to, and to
slam to the house. However, it the hon. and learned gen-
tleman (Mr. Lasky) would bring forward arguments so
convincing that he must give way, he would then own that
he had been utterly wrong, and would follow the hen. and
learned gentleman. (A hush.)
Alter an observation from Mr. S. Hannant, which was
inaudible in the gallery,
Lord J. RUSSELL again rose and said, unless any other
hon. memberwished to address the house, they might now
divide upon the main question.
Mr. NEWDEOATE said Baron Rothschild had de-
manded to be heard by counsel with respect to the omis-
sion of the words. He asked the noble lord whether he
would preclude the house (run going into that question.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that the hon. gentleman
alluded to the question that was mooted the other night by
the Attorney-General. If he meautdiuuesion in that lining,
the right hon. gentleman opposite had thee:lncurrence of the
house in that respect. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. W. I'. WOOD said he certainly thought the debate
ought to be adjourned as there were many hon. asiabers
who wished to *sprees their opinions on the main question ;
and after what he had heard from the noble lord, be had a
particular reason for wishing to state his own views on the
subject. He knew also that a great many members had left
with the perfect certainty that the debate would not proceed.
He was perfectly prepared to go on ; at the same time, he
should prefer an adjournment.
The adjournment of the debate was agreed to, and it was
then ordered that it should be resumed at five o'clock, to
which hour the house immediately afterwards adjourned.
The house resumed shortly before 5 o'clock.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The Usher of the Black Rid appeared at the table, and
summoned Mr. Speaker to attend at the bar of their lord-
ships' house, to hear the royal assent given to several private
and pooh. bills (for which see Lord.' report).
The Speaker accordingly left, followed by several mem.
bore, and returned at 20 minutes past 6.
NATIONAL LAND ASSOCIATION.
A petition, complaining of unfair treatment, and praying
for inquiry into the management of the National Land Can-
I Phal 1, was presented by Mr. BROWNE.
, Mr. F. O'CONNOR indignantly disclaimed the impute-
, tattoo conveyed in this document, which had emanated, he
declared, from a body of " ruffians."declared, who had thus testified
; their gratitude for hie own menace of time, trouble, and
8,0001. of money.
PRIVATE BILLS.

Oa the motion of lir; WatiOisEsiTar, the following
returns were ordered:—Returns of the number of private
bills introduced and brought from the House of Lords., and
of Acta passed in 1850, classed according to the following
roads and bridges ; waterworks;
spoilimet:taprerittanhwartiosu;rl, and docks; canes and navisations;
churches, chapels, and burying-grounds; paving, lighting,
end improving; Rails and other county buildings • Wel°.
sures ; small debts courts; end all other Bills and Ante. Of
all the private bills, other than railway bills, which, in the
present session, have been treated as opposed bills,
specifying those bills which have been classified in
groups by the Committee of Selective ; together
with the names of the selected members who served on
each committee; the Ant and also the last day of the
sitting of each committee ; the .amber of days on which
ODA committee sat ; the number of days on which each
seiseted member he. served ; the bills, the pnasebie of which
was reported to have bees proved ; the bills the preamble of
which was repotted to have been not proved; the bills re-
ferred back to the committee of selection, as having became
unopposed ; and the bills withdrawn, or not proceeded with
by the parties. Of all the railway bills which, la the pre.
sent eiselen, have bees Mated as opposed bills ; specifying
those bias whale here Men asselfied in groups by the eon-
mitts* of aelectiim ; together with the names of the selected
members who served as sash committee; the first, and also
the last day of** sitting of each cesamittes ; the number of
den ea whisk ea& immunities sat; the number of days on
whisk Mla selected member has served ; the hale the pe.
amble cot whisk was reported to have bees proved ; the bills
the preamble of which was reported to have been not proved ;
the bills refined beck to the committee of selection as having
become unopposed ; and the bills withdrawn, or not pro-
seeded with by the wdee Of all the private bill., other than
r:Uszeaz bills, which in the mawmaw, session have been
t
as asopposed bills, and have been referred to
the chairman of the committee of ways and means, to-
gether with the names of the members who served on each
committee; the number of days en which each committee
sat • and the number of days on which each member attended ;
coati dal the railway bills *bleb, Nisi unopposed, have
been referred in the present session to the chairman
of the committee of ways and means ; toseths r with
the names of the members who served on each com-
mittee; the number A' days on which each committee set;
and the number of days on which each member attended.
STEAK COMMUNICATION.—INDIA AND AUS.
THALIA.

Os tho modem of Sir 17 W. 116110, th. following returns
were ordered :—Copice of all eorreepondease bar
Mejeity'e government widths Bast India C inipany, and the
Board of Miamlioloners for the Affairs of India and:the Court
of Direston,• also between her Mejesty'a government and
the Pentameter and Oriental Steam Navigation Company,
or the Court of Directors and that company, regarding the
establishment of, or the node of conducting steam sonunu-
nication between Su,' and Bombe,. or between Sties and
Calcutta or Ceylon and Hong Kong, and with the Mom-
Han soloalan.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. REYNOLDS gave miles that, on the motion foe

magi this mead ass. ho sturold woo so la I
otoestaatt Illia the ,aloud reading be palpated for throe
atootha
TEE YEOMANRY CAVALRY.—BRISTOL RIOTS.
Mr. C. W. (TORRINGTON proemial to tootradia sow
Outfits aids to lam la otranzloa Etta tie Witt Samn
Yoossaary by the bMs.mambo( for Bristol (Mt. M. Bak, a
lel.) INEPECTI9N OF MINES.

In snorer to • quotas frost Mr. F. O'Coamos,
SW G. GREY stated that a bill or Ude isla)so had gum
do.. fors Ow Roses et Lords, oh . stood for a essoad
resdirs that eveaft
THE ADMISSION OF JEWS.--CASE OF BARON

BOTS!OHILD.

• The aides for reinstragtiCtialtak adjourned frost this
sorshoe's duke having bees reed,
Mr. SMITHY rose—He said that as the government had
shown that is was sot Mak inseam to glee say practical
support to the pr.pentisa of the hos. member for Montrose,
the quietist of the sompetenes of the hems to deal with
the oath of &Origin would still lam to be &sided if the
amendeteat was. ended so as to allow the Bares Both*.
Mild to take bk seek He d seed the palliest at the
km. asti leanest member for A that there was no
instance of any penes betas to serve is parlianent
without Wades as oath on the moored book of
the Christian law ; sail that the interposition
if parliament wee seeenerg to alter the form
Meath. The bests bad is the eme of Me Quaker, tubed-
eased adeelesades ter the oath. and Mesmer& brought in a
bill oar drain wash ehmatits, which bill raselved the anent
of the Hones of psis sod Me news, sad there was no
mecca why the emus ernes abseil sot be token in this nee.
With marl Mks essenies girt Ms oath had always boss
ao Munn as to essisis Jews, ths hem sad learned pude-
sea sanely maid set be isierest of the fan that when pa-
lliate& was mislaid," toth the oath was framed in
melt a marser that it might be takes by either Jew or
Chrietke, and that Jews were then admitted, though by
eriesesein, width afterwards paned, they were waisted from
Ms realm. The noble lord at the head of the government seemed
to Min that this was sot a question of civil end religions
liberty. but that it was a judielal punka and he had anti-
cipated the Unties of that jedledal "mike by preiudgieg
it. 1.... 152.. he noble kris whitest Maytag waited to hear the
shish might be made Is Me howls on that gees
ties, themes by isksoreetly prejudging it and
drawing a &ninnies bstwesa the judicial pigsties sad the
Ireatiou of ei.o eel railsiens liberty. (Hear, bear.) This
wee a judicial gonna, ; wee eke a quash. of tied sad
relgiess liberty t end if it WS a party question, the
tibia lord had dose his utmost to make It so.
Bet, whether it was looked at is one sense or in another,
or is ell than wawa combined, his (Mr. Austere) vote
should follow hie speech, and he sinserely hoped that there
would be found many members on both sides of the house
who would gin their support to the amendment of the hoc
amber for Montrose. (Hear, hoar.)

Mr. P..WOOD regretted that the noble lord should
lave thought It necessary to have pronounced any
opinion at all apes the wooed question—(bear, bear)—
beause it was impeenble to say whether any second gnomon
would arise. The hones wag at present on the first question,
timely, how the oaths were to be token, and whether they
were to vote on the Mold= of the hon. member for the
Train/shy of Oxford, or on the amendment of the hen.
member for Montrose. Now the kw member for the Hai-
varsity of Ozford had almost abandoned his resolution him-
self. Still, he (Mr. Wood) was of opiaion that that reso-
lution ought not to be withdrawn, but that it
ought to be negatived upon • division, because
there were many man sash se Moravian. and members of
the Society of Friends, who might take an oath without
having any such declaration attached to it as was alleged.
With reference to the mead:neat. a calm, legal argument
had bean addressed to the house by the hon. and learned
member for AMandee, deserving of attention. He (Mr.
Wood) had said ea Friday last that no lawyer la that house
would hesitate to assert that it was in accordance
with law for every individual to be sworn in the
manner most binding on his own commie:ice. That
general proposition had not been contradicted, but
an :attempt had been made to show that that
proposition ought not to be too widely laid down, for this
reason, that • distinetios was to be drawn between official
sad judicial oaths. He had heard ao authority cited with
reference to this limitation. It was no doubt perfectly true
that at one time there was a general assumption in this
country that every person was • Christian, and that the oath
on the holy gospels was prescribed to be taken. But, the
moment the (tendon arose, whether or not that particular
mode of administering would be binding on the con-
science of :the isdividsal, it was determined that the
real inquiry should be—was there a religious sanction
for the administration, and did the party taking the oath feel
himself in the presence of a Clod who wee as avenger of
falsehood ? (Hest.) The law of the Roman emperors was,
" Had the man boon sworn ?" St. Augustine declared that,
" If they would not admit the oath of an idolator, there was

no aderjusta method of keeping a covenant with him or of
preesrving the peace." The question seemed to be, not by
what gods a man had sworn, but whether he believed
in a deity ; and, without a defied farm being exactly laid
down, the man's emiscienee was reached, and he was not
sworn by that which he did not believe. In 1755 the
question was raised in France whether a man who was •
Jew should be allowed to swear, in a court of Ingle*, in a
manner different from the French people; and while the
counsel were discussing the point, the witness put on his hat,
took the Old Testament in his hand, and was told by the
deck to swear in the manner be considered most binding.
Subsequently, an ant was passed in Francetbat Jews, in the
matter cf oaths, should be put exactly on the same footing as
other foreigners, and that they should not be forced
to swear. That honourable and learned gentleman had
referred to the declaratory act and said that that act
could not alter the law. In so saying he was quite correct.
But what did the declaratory act, which was applicable to all
time, declare? Why this—that if a man took an
oath, either as a witness' or an appointment to office, which
he declared to be binding, he was bound. (Hear, hear.)
What then became of the distinction drawn by the hon. and
learned member fur Abingdon ? Moreover, the English
law swept away that disticction altogether, for it declared
that "the oath was to be taken in the manner most bind-
ing." (Hear.) It was next alleged that the oath of snore.
macy was to be taken on the Holy Gospels, and that • Jew
could not, therefore, take that oath ; but the fact was, that
the act of Charles II ,whichreferred to the oaths of allegiance
and supremacy, contained nothing about the HolyGaspels,but
merely directed that every member of the house should take
the oaths; and it was worthy of observation that that act re.
cited the acts of Elizabeth and James, and abrogated them.
Looking on it as • solemn legal trial, he thought that chaos who
advised Baron Rothschild had advised him well and rightly
that the first question to be determined was, whether he
should have the oath preferred to him in the manner most
binding en his conscience. That might lead to some ques
lion of distrihutim of the oath, but at present that was not
before the house, and he was sorry the noble lotd at the bead
of the government had expressed himself so strongly
on the point. (Hear, hear.) He denied, in conclusion,
that the Jews were aliens, and said that Lord Mansfield had
settled that question for ever by buying a freehold house of a
Jew. (Cheers )

Mr. S. WORTLEY said ha wu anxious to state that it

wee his intention to vote against the motion of the hon
member for Montrose. He did not, k , rely on the
argument, that in taking the oath it was necessary that it
should be taken on the holy 'wasp lists. Wu it not
trifling with the question, to pursue the cause now
sought, and asking the hon. member to take two oaths,
when they knew that he was not a cbristian • and that
when he came to the next oath, which contained the words
"on the true faith of a christian," they must turn on him
and shut the d.or of the house upon him.
The gallery was then cleared for a divion.
The motion of Sir H. bums was first negatived without
a division. _

I;.liCrstis's ensendment was then put u a substantive
Dipti"otadth .ent= divided—
k r the .
Against it 69-54
The orders of the day were that proceeded with.
MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.
This bill was mad a third time and passed, with verbal

113

QUERN'S MESSAGE.—MARLBOROUGH-110U8R.
The houso then went Into committee to @mad'r the royal
message respecting the preparation of Marlborough-house,
and its settlement upon the Prince of Wales during the joint
lives of the prises end her Majesty.
Mr. HUME objected to making a provision nine years be-
forehand for the residence of the royal prince.
Lced J. RUSSELL explained that Marlborough-house,
being crown property, was by her Majesty graciously offered
sea temporary locale for the Vernon gallery of paintings,
and the settlement upon the Priam of Vales was now &eked
tor, in order to enter • timely caveat agMna any claim that
might hereafter be urged upon a pies of usage in favour of
retaining the pictures In that edifies when it same to be
wanted for the establishment of the heir apparent.
I Mr. BRIGHT thought that the present debate was suffi-
cient to indicate that Marlborough-house was merely loaned
to the gallery, without hampering the legislature with a set-
tlement.

Mr. HENLEY apprehended that some change of plan
might occur within the ensuing nine years which might
render it advisable to appropriaae the house In question to
some other purpose, when the nation would have to buy
back at a hush pries the rights they were now giving away.
Mr. TRELLWNY was oenvinold that the use of
the duchy of Cornwall, if properly administered, would sta-
des to reader the Prunes of Wales independent of any parlia-
mentary grant of settlement.
Notwithstanding an assurance (ninths CH ANCILLOS of the
E1C111141.12K, that no establishment was yet thought of, and
no gnat of messy asked foe in consequence of this royal mes-
sage, the opposition was urged for some time, after which the
committee divided on the question that the chairman should
report p_rogries. The numbers were:
Noes 6B
Ayes
The gvvernstent proposition being thus affirmed, the house
resumed without farther remark.

I 6 WWII, to Yr. NIWDZOATI,
Yr. I'. WOOD said that he understood from his hon.
friend the member for the City of Loudon that it was his
Intention to present himself at the tattle of the house, for
the purpose of taking the oaths, at twelve Valor* to-morrow
(this day). (Cheers.) With reform°e to an observation
which ►e haa made on that day, he thought that he had
been misunderstood. What he stated was that than, was

eely one question before the hose*, and that on that he
would reserve any observations he might hays to make till a
farther stage of the peoesedlop.
Mr. ANBTRY wished to know whether It was the fatale-
tioo of the bor. member for Warwickshire to renew his part
of ths &motion to-morrow ?
Mr. NB WDEGATII said that he pat his question to the

for die
elabire '

rof Oaford for the attamaismail el
had already
.heast lassamnisand
3:HU96E111. mid that le had stated dot the
ameadsamts ow the lalsh Fraashin Bill would come se for
,'heasiikratios tomorrow, but of onuse as hoe. member
waisted himself to tam die oaths, he email ass /sari...MAIL igeltellaT mid Mat he did will ma why k was
to p 1=1'4416'4,1y into a d'asaufam as the matter,
aa hos. masher presented himself to take the oaths.
dleanrloa might haratpoard•
EXHInITION OP 1861.
COs the motion that the Wow go tato a Committee of
/Plfr
volonel BIBTHORP moved, that an humble address be
presented to the Clasen, praying that bar Majesty will be
pacionaly Oilseed to direct this Attorney-General to give hie
situation to the Ming of the proposed information for an in-
junction to restrain the ereeMea of my Milldams in say pan
of Hyde put for the ittended ezhibidon of 1861.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the hon.
wad gallant member asked the home to petition the
mows to interfere with the ellsention of its first law
Aker so far se to order him to sip a document of
which no other p. nos is the home but Wawa wit as all
soaaisaat. Surely that was sot a proper souse for the hones
to panne. (Hear.)
The motion was negatived without a division.
MAERIAOIIB BILL.

Oath, ceder of the dayiWi= i;sirresenntithre of supply,
Mr. J. S. STUART said he perceived that it had been
stated by a reverend prelate in soother glue that as actual
majority of that house had, is the aggregate of the several
divisions, voted easiest the Marriages Rill. Now, he had a
carefully prepared and INClllolsaamary of all the division
lists ; and, so far from the statement to which he referred
being earrecr, the following wen the rusk: —the whole
number of members of that house who bad voted against
the Marriages 8i11‘223 ; tbs whole number who had voted in
favour of it, 294 ; leaving a class majority of 71 in favour of
the bill.