The Express.
London, England, 1861-07-02 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS,

NS. V. SCULLY seconded the amendment.
Mr. MINING/LAM confessed that anything lees satis-
factory fur the interests of the liberal party, or lees ealeu-
hated to ettri.4then thoir nine position, than the mode in
which the gus,ininent had dealt with this question, it was
difficult to conceive.
Mr. GENT did not think that the distribution could
be made in a fatter ur better way than was proposed by the
gave rut lieut.
Mr. HADFIELD, upon the grounds of wealth, ',erode-
Moe, soil "vintner of electors, urged the claims of the West
Riding ~f Tor:Aire to additional reprcseutation, but sug-
gested that the place of electron fur the southern division
tne Riding should be Sheffield, and not Wakefield.
Lord J. IaNsELL subtuitted that the hoe. member for
Fiushury hail mole out no case fur the rejection of the bill.
W ear, marl The house, upon the consideration of a bill
us amended, could take the whole of the bill into considera-
tion, end when the hon. geutlemau said there ought to be •
new bill, they must consider whether this bill was so
altered that it was totally different from the one intro-
duced. The bill as introduced gave an additional member
to the West etidiug of Yorkshire, an additional itemiser to
South Laavaslitre. soother to Birkenhead, and one to
Chelsea and Keusingtou. The three first of the proposals
had been reed to iu committee, but the proposal that
Chelsea and Kensington should have a member wee rejected
by the house, and a further proposition that Middlesex
should have the vacant mat mot with the same
fate. His noble friend the First Lord of the Treasury,
lesions to obtain some agreement upon the questing, said
he war really to make or support a proposition that York-
shire should have two edditasial members, and that the
West Billing should be divided. There was only the one
met in disjette, and the question was whether it was expe-
dient to proceed further with the bill, and if so, whether
the West Riding should have one or two additional mem-
bers. He thought the course proposed by the government
was the preferable one, and be could not nee that there woe
any force in Die hon. member's objections. They all knew
that the Wed Riding of Yorkshire in population, in wealth,
a= in the number of electors, was very con‘iderable,
and, indeed, steal far beyond other county constituen-
cies Then the hon. gentleman said, "06, but the
borough of Wakefield was a corrupt borough." He quite
agreed with the lion. gentlemae, and should toe shocked if a
direct prove.itiou were made to issue the writ. But that
was not the question now before them. The question was
whether, because Wakefield was in the West Riding, the
West Soling Mould therefore be disqualified from sending
an additional member to parliament` and he could not
agree that that was a just or reasonable position. The case
was this—the bill was troughs is for the disposal of four
sesta ; the house assented to the principle of disposing of the
seats and pared the propositious of the government with
regard to three of them ; and the question now
was, whether they should come to any decision
with regard to the fourth? As to there being anything
radically wrong in the proposition of the government, he
believed that with regard to the many cases of vacancies
which bad occurred from time to time, beginning with
Shoreham 'and Aylesbury and going on to Grantham and
East Raiford, proluurient hail always made provision for the
disqualified electors; but in the instances of St. Aliens sod
Sudbury parliament had sot made that provision, and for
some years the question had been postponed because those
places were intended to be contained, and were cos-
seined, in the general bills for the distributes
of seal which had bees iatrodueed fens time be
Ulla in different serious and under different gemenrueeta.
There had been no suck bill introduced in the want ses-
sion, and it was bet reasenable to pressed a the coon*
parliament had pagoda k all the other Wei, not te
have the escape= is enreles, bat te thentap a •
fair and just mans= end seamy MIA they *NM net
be liable to the impalation a being wept pass& Klie
wee the cause new proposed to be tam, and he saw no
reason why the bill should not be proceeded with.=Ts!
Lord FERNOY swat te vote for as
at the bouourable mad= foe Iffsehem, eel Port
this simple rasa, that he would fable MS me bit
at all thin see the bill before the house pass fa it
present shape. He weald rather see it riet he woad
rattier see it deferred MU the people of mob' di
Bide on the question wham they weal waft
bke a radical reform is the reprineetalion el the might
This was • question which asst be esail teas esentoyle be
added before long, and he thought WWI who sat an the
eitiaisterial side below the gangway wadi be ablefleurg
their duty to the pea if they coseested to ea emit
bill passed without c6.riag it every eganitien is that
power. (" Hear, bear ;" and crime of "divide ")
The hones then divided
Per the amendment
Agar= it
On the question that the bill, as ainsesietli. be of
aimed,
Yr. STIRLING prepped to leem out clime 1 and la Ibis
Need te issest dames the first at which nsa as follows :
From sad after the lit of November, 1861, the uoiveseilleel
of Scotland, measly the University of fit. Andrew's( ow
University of Garepew, the University of Aberdeen, mil Mr
University of • "lie4t shall be entitled collectivity be
nava one member to servo in parliament. The univer-
sities of Beata= were wholly unrepresented, whereas the
universities of Regina ad Ireland had no lees than ail
mate. (Rear.) If even the English universities were de.
paved of their mestone, they might still be said to be
represented by the many graduates who were educated in
Neer pad who bed seats in that house. But that could not
be maid el the Beath universities, for the universities of
the south bed seek ettretioes that the sees at wealthy
Satebesee ears there to be =seated.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said the hoe. gentienre celled on the
house to remind a decision which bad bean come to in
committee, after diesegon and after a division, in which
it was affirmed by a cansidentbis enejority that the mem-
ber should be given to the southern division of Lancashire.
The main argument in support of the proposition was that
the Scotch universities bad no representation, whilst the
English acid Irish universities were represented. But up
to a recent date there had teen a sufficient reason for the
distactiou, inasmuch as the 000stitation of those univer-
sities was wholly diffemot from that of the English and
Irish universities. In the latter, the body of graduates
were the voters, but in the former the system of
graduation had been carried to so small an ex-
tent that if the graduates had been enfranchised
the franchin would have bean vested in a very
mall body. A few years ago the easetitution of the Scotch
universities was altered, and no doubt DOW that a system
had been miablibed by which graduation was incressed,
those liniments, were gradually acquiring • body of voters
who would be eempelest be seisms the franchise. At pre.
sesk however, the time hail Orelly arrived when it would
M amiable to ergaglir flemire epee them They were
M‘Myeetymbile inteil bear, end they would
am boos a Smear eielabs laser Ie the other
unieunitis& That ebir weal as doubt be emeidemid at
a miens period by the bone% tat et present be geheiMied
Mee was no sufficient =ma Ist Owing them a remora-
tire le preference le the emehees division of Lumuldre.
111 e. O. BRUCE 031111111011 Mil the Scotch universities
wee sew in a position to slim their nebir
Mr 3. GRAHAM said he waaY set follow the hon.
SefMin his disquisition es the rival claims of the
Irish, and Scot= leheimitine ; but having given
as intention to his rider the consideration of
We hew the claim el the Lobe University, in the event
gegpierentation be Waged te Kensington and
be whirl to state to the home Me reason why he
sell gown that clam at preen& (Rear bear.) He was I
bases le be relieved from apperbg to deny the claims of DiEni now mu Brea or • Doo.—Ou Friday
obi "esisek eewafee, be
naps ,be was usage , eveekg[Mr. Joke HauV, the =ewer, bald an inquest
sea to the U of °Mery for the •on the 01.4;IkVes. ant the hollkild of the Rod
beam gess eseferred upon him, he should be glad Dew Tavern, in-end-re= Bode Wren, the
aril sl Mr time iu obtaining a reptesentafiy• itermaila. &Ili est .•••• the aftreere the 17th
latine If e was asked to bring form= the •Ihr • Poti•••• ••••••• 1•••••••1 sd nen up to
gym the University, and he promised to do so the 110• Ville with • mulls. She diseased admired the dog
is lie emir Keeregton sod Chelsea being rejected. The and pitied It on the *Mori= It suddenly wigged at him
hems decided elf e 1 that proposition and against an ir- end Mt Mr en tir less sided the left arm !be wound
ROO el the metropolitan members, sod having consulted alref by • Moak bat next day reed Mud Min.
the Ashman of Convocation of the London University N. .et east ibe_a••••••d. be ,•••7 VlOllO6 and blia
•
smi seers, he thought he should beat moult the feeling of Int•ln_ag "Oar. n• Wino lib, • old ••••1•1 tilliOr and
the bier if he acted in conformity with the pseud Imam the ein•tal• H• irate Ws ••17111•01101•••
sgtdes in favour of giving two additional mew , Efiffiew_ He said Moodie was Emil tinnudb Mt bra.
bee be the West Riding, and did not obtrude • ••• that Mercer was &tad infested with aliens
gip sham at the Loudon Geirweny upon thisoool/kuu idoiliVilL He seed I. be MA better when be am
if Oases wore to be remembered by the mum he ugzeig inbred that the deg bed her killed. He was • very
einem that in the reform bill brought fermi= by the wen mee, merehaes we is bed health. John
ygremenent of Lord Aberdeen it was proposed to make Omni wilireed the stelseeur el this witness. The
moo the London University a representative. an Me Breatserouwee lingh worse, wed it
the reform bill of 1860. it was proposed to mama& Not bageme Mai lie pieced wider some
=fealty, and in WC the claim was order the "SW" Be Ms dam* nadd have bleu alive
sego ag Loa Derby, who aggressed ldmseLbwseblyto at the }roast time It be bed net teen bitten_ by the dog.
Wpm}aci, and Aga gm suggloggi ussuipu Xt. PesibriskiWriglit, of Oirreirmialvest. Iltirs=“road,
oboe to pub...4k than dater that an (awe ...ice MAW that the domed beams very wheat, and that it
lea thoold be disposed not to object to the claim it braggm wee emeenry to have three or four persons to bold him
/sward. In additiou to all that, the government a down. Tbeg melt fee • keeper, who brought a strait.
Laird Melbourne distinctly stated that it we their aka- *bet. bit the dessawed aphid as be was about to be put
it
granting the charter to the Loud= University, into it. At 7t 011111.14 *ear held Ime• evening Dr
is.
it on the mune footing of equality with the other lidlsendet ••d
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versifies. He mart thin matters is the bops that the Mgt elleiranY Wnlibairea N• 0116.60 mod
eta farce period the claim of the university, which was 0111117 01111011811 L Be was of opiate aid ale bile of
wry arum would not be cast aside. It was the opine= cl Neil _aided by the bet weedier and the gnat dread of
Mr. Surber Mr. Pitt, and other erniuent @totem& bthe elltslad fel•daled_ delirious fever, and the ds•
ibemer dare that when bribery was proved Anima a inilltmes If //MY nervous teloPsionents bed
glosb. g imam be mmHg loy Doi being allowed to mums welt &ler erhavatie& Dr. Rama& dwelt ups the
mesh= I sad ho metals thought that that would be the fa•Mb asiii• thin Than • Pomo had been hit= by • dot
meet sabot punishment whisk meld he manta te, aidd If the dog bed bean M-
ae ape whys would elbg bent equity ageing it NORIMP, IMMM ennui be seen be Wad prevent
further se ye gong weld am whoa I mils eiresisee anxiety. Other were slammed,
*ow he gam ep %wee to au naumuldua atar shish the jury goer led Mgr mart. " That the
tuuduu path goeggag. Igor gigi-ga tame eggamiggi • ' deemed lid from the West d dad= fever arising
would nave the opportunity ql m
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lieu of looming. tilt eillieSees .14p, with geed 901771 Kismunticartsrox.—Theing the week
business babies, lid 1141111 Mia et sat strict propriney el mans Jere vita Wm Ines as follows
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erisiduest whir a superior adliestige, in his Myna.. Peva to Miaow. Tamara Saturday, free days, 4,589;
fined to inform (Hem. berm) Upon the there an Mealleg end item greelprifff •es the three
bring at puss she she le dispose of ,be thee, stioilooki diem to the elk xus ; one
Mee timid be umeimene is gbh* it to the Weellbling ardeetif moil& lrebadirr ; t0ta1.407. Prom
Tmliehe Be igmidi eel *be the aria of the La- Rio orgateue the emeenee, 519.
dee Melegarey ea thie menpleig et the mine time, he •• ire Med Do BareT,s 'was:lw
meld net hip Waling tam mud •sior Beim to the =dial Peel the idol reeeely esentipetton,
alversltise 0( Scala& (Hail hillmillestAigelel. meet* greesteet meg* orm,
11r. BLACKBURN said ths• the imam wow wee— gge mem. Amber: senemess•
oral=4._ deblila—Andiew taN an.
Voir' a fourth member to the west Mae. bat to Ponent riliag%. He. ro. • Res
&a= lawashire having a third repreeentative. Last year . •ftw, had carols
the government thought the Scotch universities ripe for sad Ivor
representation ; why should they think now that they were emi=al== lallatiany MGimpy if re sterns,
deadest in item? the "Itt—rriirsetweleeitrbillt
Haravo Mr. G. Dors and Major n supported the mak
"' s. = & 43M •• •
m m.lay el les cost mMr. H. J. BAILLIE advised that it ahould at be amid. ism ,00.6%.,...ing laLb.. e• ;
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped that the boom would sot be us,. lib, stA piny da is&
divided, but that the ray good ease which had bees made guuSou ; sagusenna ; assa as is. gmed,..m.
out for the Scotch utiveraities would be reegmbief on • street • Cbillie: 0114"allilaiala; and eill grease
future ~lieseeinmst

In committee of supply
The Civil Service .iadtes were proceeded with, com-
mencing with Clan 1, Public Works and Buildings.
Various votes were discussed, and among them a vote of
20,595/. to complete the houses of parliament was subjected
to • rigid scrutiny, which extended to the frescoes, the
eases of their decay, the preservation of the external stone-
work, the statute, including that of Oliver Cromwell,
and other incidental topics. It transpired in the course
of the discussion, that the vote was for completing
only those porticoes of the building which are now in
head, exchmive of that portion to be built in New Palace.
yard, and of the Wing up of the rough wall in the clock-
tower. With refs/ mm to the four statues of Sovereigns
of England proposed to be placed in the Royal Gallery,
Mr. Gregory conceived that there had been • departure
hem an understanding last session that they were not to be
in • chronologioal arms, but to be selected from our moat
distinguished prisms, and moved that the sum of 3,2101.
PlCidfor the statues be omitted from the vote.
anesedment was, however, negatived, and the vote
aim& to
vote of 22,4001. for the furniture of public offices,
Lord W. GRAHAM said for an explanation of an item
of 10,4001. for the furniture and fittings of the Museum of
USING sad Art at Kensington, and the Museum of Prac-
ticed Geoloo. and the College of Chemistry.
Mr. COWPER said • of the sum was repaired for
the new holdings at the ogtaa Museum. The differ.
ence between the votes of last year and of the present year
for these expanses was mainly the remltof the report of a
committee of this booed
Mr. A. SMITH moved that the vote be reduced by the
sum of 10,4001.
Mr. COWPER said he did not fear any scrutiny into the
manner in which this grant was expended. T most
stringent regulations had been tnmd to ensure economy,
and great saving had been effected from time to time.
Mr. LAYARD supported the grant, as lie thought the
mousy bad been very well applied and economically spent.
Mr. LOCK E said he sat on the committee on the South
Kensington Museum, and he was disposed to apes with the
hon. member for Truro (Mr. A. Smith). He thought that
the South Kensington Museum was going en at • great, pace.
He should like to know what these "fittings" were. It was
• very vague phrase. When be visited the place it appeared
to ham to be full, and they said they wanted more space.
Mr. COWPER said the boo. and learned member having
been on the committee, must be well aware that it was
to make a large addition to the South Kensington
Le=u7nl . It was proposed to form • quadrant, and °ore-
it with glass. The object was to exhibit the most valuable
collection of objects of medieval sat and industry that ex-
isted in Europe. They had often discussed the writs of
the South Kensington Museum. He believed it had vmy
much improved artistic designs in nuuaufactures, and with
regard to the recreating siniummet, and instruction of the
middle and lower classes, they had Is. tines the value of
the money that was spent.
Captain JERVIS remarked that there was a strong
feeling in the country that the South Remington Museum
was being got up against the wishes of the house. Ten
thousand pounds wee voted one year, 5,0001. another, and so
on, towards getting what they should no: have allowed if
they had been first asked for.• general vote.
Mr. GREGORY supported the vote. There was • very
large oollection of objects which at present could not be
exhibited.
Mr. LAYARD was merles& at the opposition which had
been road* to the vote. It was absurd SO spend 20,00 W. in
purchasing • collection, and then refuse the money requisite
to purchase the asses for properly exhibiting the articles.
Mr. DILLWYN mid the peat unpopularity of the South
Kensington Nees was atuthe in great measure to
the unfair way fa which the votes fee lb had been brought
fmward. At first it was staled to be merely • temporary
institution. lust year it did not appear in the estimates,
and a committee wee anguished, but at so late • period of
the session that the Independent members could not attend,
and the majority had
did attend were members of the go-
veniment, who had it all them own way.
Captain JERVIS remarked that the new building was to
cost 13,0001., and Be furniture 10,4001.
Mr. COWPER explained that the building would eon.
sist of side walls with a &es root. If he were asked what
was going to be exhibited he should stets that there was
such • desire amide puma peoesseieg skeins of interest
in art to exhibit thew. thee suggesig the sinsem had not
• collection of its owe. thaw Wield be paw* et ankles to
exh,bit. Already they bud 'he Are ms
Musson
established within thole walk. Valuable additkee had
lately been made to the eollsolise, and there was • ver7
large cased= of various ergebn but in order to exhibit
shero
VMS it wee aseeerry that there should he •
silent ausbar ell assn.
Mr. LOCKE of As vary lairs of 10,0001.
being ezpended is without any-
thing neve said se =al =Tip were for.
He thought eaphinalien was
For the vote ...
Against it IS-115
The vote was speed to.
The Fast India (High Court of Judicature) Bill, as
amended, was madame&
The Municipal Corporations Act Amendment (No. 2) Bill
was reed a seoood time.
The other olden were disposed of, end the honor ad.
journed at five wielded past 2 o'clock.