The Express.
London, England, 1857-07-11 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 11, 1857.

la ihe bd. lid the Itaracipatiou Act would en him the
d illiiSic for the a onitsion of the Jews into
=Pip 't We have been seemed of bigotry, —who
as the Weft nowt' He was suns the same sentiments
as. entertained by noble lords professing the tams religion
In that home. He was aware of the diScalty which they
Rdt about the bill, sad that they itildavd some of its
details objectionable. Now. if the bill should be "Bowel to
p into committee, be should be prepared to state the fet/011s
which induced him to think it desiniblo to retain the words
which were objected to. It would be open to them to pro•
pose any alters:Urn In the details, and to show how these ob-
jectious might be carried into elf-ct without weakening the
security which prateranta required ; awl he was sure there
was no member of their lordship,' Muse who would not most
carefully and conscientiously consider any nut morsel
that might be rade to them. But contidering that the prm-
ciple of the bill was to amend oaths which were defective,
and which collalarally secured the abandon of the Jews
whom they wished to relieve in the same manner they them-
selves had been relieved, he felt that it would be contrary to
ergs to vote against the second reading of the bill, whatever
mane they tadibt take in it, suPsequent stage.. (Hear,
bear.) There was one cam of objections which be did not
think would be argot, although such a rumour prevailed ex-
tensively abroad. It had been said their lordships ought to seize
with something like avidity inch an opportunity as the pre-
sent of shoeing their independence of the other house of
parliament on • question of some importance, and that they
might do this with perfect =toy. wing that, notwithatand-
ing the very Imp majority the Bootee( Commons,that ma-
Mority not supported by the petitions of the people at
arge. Now, undoubtedly their lordships exereited great
influence, by reason of their high position and high cha-
racter; but that any notion should bo entertained that they
would Oneidas their petition by a sort of factitious asser-
tion of only required to be stated, to be denied
by their to (Hear.) There were occasions on which
their beithign might iuterposo very fairly when matures
were ably the temporary enthusiasm of the people, for
the mum °fallowing time for calm consideration. But
that as exactly the reverse of the prevent ease. Although
theeranano excitement out of doors, yet the deliberate opinion
of the pee* of England was unequivocally in favour of the
mamas, petitions front Birmingham and some other
prose was inthostive of • change of public opinion. Two of
the
ictiLuertnic:7,l2.=„2.
tut=
red litirori ter of the public opinion et Om country
was dr eddy, not merely monsoon be thee, hot enor-
ems eminern with the nujocity is the We yellarent,
of ohm tube had just returnod free the eiwilteer
ors. bewared unworthy ofp notice, also, that to el the
war menthers of the government of the nab sent
weil fee the ranture. (Hear, beer.) He
vial le appeal to their lovthhipe Ite ass be a
abed*
do that which was right begets Ma end
ans—* elle wee In auordonee with the pinelpie of
Odd laid—le give a second reeding le the bYI which
INIM Min a deserving part of the awnitiolty free re-
Maas slid they ill the mere, swift that Amid!
✓ereletris loid bus taken free ode peeks. d he taw
de es act. he would sot ern it et peek bet el
*era be s red raid, • moot industriouka
-meet peaceful,
eal • nee Wed portion of the nation. (Lead deem)
The SW of =ANY said the noble earl had combined
two Willy Milne itions—one, • queen as to the
=paths" read of admitting into the legislature of
this Mirka awley—kr be still took the liberty of calling
it • Middies eessry7oreintiers of the Jewish nation, for m
• nabs he all saridred them; the other, • question as to
the ohs of oda which awe anisehtedly obsolete.
The rile hid mitred the for d hens outshone as •
collared adallide lowing Mel Ile aiadlen proposed.
Now, WO dead awl had mobs des • sillesial d-
emises sr amity the ward owl priest induce-
Mai of he resierrat to lovers the mrssea (Hew)
He wadi net glue the noble surf at ISMS Ms he argu-
ment be alai be hmil adored de propelelyedaddleg Into
the egiattere made of the Jewish petwden. Ha
did sot with to soy • word digliMikag to the
Jews of this or lay other ovuntrY. Ile admitted
the high Wiwi* of their nation ; he added that they had
been at we tiara, and might spin beam at • fat=
the most favoured of the 1111010111 of he well; be
that in point of talent end abili 7 they did as lifd as
nation in the world. Bat La was not perweil
character sea nwelea, and although they ram arllmdby
the divine decree over the whole face of the aid they s-
tained their national character, and looked inward to that
period when, as • ration, they. should be mewed to their
✓ational rights sad national pnvithgee. (Ike, hear.) The
peetdiar position of the Jews erne final wt in the very
asthma age by their great lawgiver Mors, be describing the
1•101/111r in which, as a nation, any wee lain kw the
raid of another nation. As the Jews sae Is Egypt he
Jews were In England. and in every country et ds vedi—
they wee • ameba within a nation. They minded le lbe
kw, they detherged their duties as elbow, end be
this watt" they were entrusted to the
porde apse with the adininittration of the
with Illensithas of tenet, and what alone was aid
hid hum he was a voice in making the taw
fur the sepillet of • Christian coamminty. (dew
Vt. The hors was looking Irma Is dr
mina maw and • greater exodus Amid sari
Nod serriss sad bring then to their own.
tiono Thor seared their laws sad earars ; they
=slAserilie timely with their know waders ; bowers
sedra was an Iropentalak gulf ; sad, te net en
eptelien Ulla 111 MS occludes had ghee pest Mee,
they wee k blood, aliens ia Imagers, and aliens in
relines. We.) The quoin= lakes their
was ma et sad by in • nutshell, end I=r
ships new se ammanted with it, and had, no doubt, so
throne* mho or their' mind,, that the eloquence of the
noble sod. orefi=ttabew noble lord, was not likely to
indass lls ra their o& Bet be ion. mast say
that MO 1111•111116 jut been alined Wide be
did se *pet be bee, titer the inesinetion of the
most spat that it was de eskabted
WIN and title el asy dthen to witty by en Ind
held title all de deka rid privileges-et •de awl
that die withhold, scoot min* anypelas ef ,hoe
rights wee madam what he as pried le aila stment
of pemealion. The whit end had CO:I=F Masi he
quirks as le Wiet wee ttglie pri wen
inaudible olds Ida rndleal to every did* de hid
the Weit:dlidet eratty of pew security of , dos
Ns elide religion, and from raw OM
Imre ow MEW In this country. Bed he low no
right to claim the pryer of legislating foe the esmesslity at
Inge, which priellege we sot given to *ay mew legalp
le certain bibbed' Weed fern the coaasmll7 seNkd
be Its bads. Eat certain restrictions bald thus Ira
report en he privilege of sitting and veiny be par
linnent. de wee ready to admit that he wade "es
dr Nan kith of • Christian" wee Ineekrell set
wtfttehswb he Jews but I. he Jade, list let
her kiddie leek to the drambette of the dew
when the web Illeeettedneed. Tat two aninise and •
half preview be de kleedellen of Me wed beds ael
pail MIS wan sot odds. iloo la Ms
essetry •kr roe bemired trap MI Is the
Nos of • prides wr at Yid of re
Jews, rod byldirmhßen Ariel*"
that the easedeal irsidateot • bo weldrus.l.lll2
AO he mild to roam Is ibis ; het
thai
lirtalitellewed lir Newt is disk sign
Mr
170, haw irk desk Is sere
mrailimas sad tr
mit sr me looses of IWO, druid he
ego'
rellfisrry appased Arm the ssseiw hi ga=stry•-47
try ot Zeshrd.lbs a sodassise woo rid ossoweel mow
idiots vp without oorlegtory adds.Mr W
reds dated that the vireoap Wart
s rho • yid is Ow pre ceedisp, andwhy solibisi resod-
arid. woe berm hie higher* sa pod advish
la tar yew OWlre followed& petition Mk mew elkw
dim orriesil dr oath this requi *be Idle=
mem We add di la priberent. Nowred, Ist die
tersbe draw at Oat lime the eschew ef de kw wie
a nedeet ewe edit* en whether it wee see istestirsel.
The sad dos weeded Is le Men nu in these terms, *, I,
• 2.Po*, ad sure hst I will uphold and maintain the
Ouse Nediested Probated Mohr= disks be Its 'porky,
se it b orleised in the of the Old sad Now
Tairod, lad encored, dr asipaineln of the
wens." Now, although It be ims the the
wads be the act of the 7th Jams I. wee not egrsmlf
dineled spirt he Jews, was there set
inn be drew that the legiskture istended"Tel= the
Sow f (Her, hear,) Then certainly was as prioder
eaeemat list 60 ire should ant sit la podionsed. And
H
$a 1670 I' in the OW bateau, ewe treated es I
dens. 11 aWB on bawl{ be to reltw,e
them from that drebility. That we earled, be the
eritement be the wile Welleene a pee Wt the war
tare we tepid is Or Mistake pair, la • way mord
g • sessers
w ups
it wen y Ost • ass ahe
ad hid
radlikstion dt l• yadirmst. lir Jew lied=
=ioot holding hatoimly, rid is liiht Ws rade ted
friend (Led seat •HI Art bed
Wes introdueed_ •=77ifa Itor the ef
rawtoilag the darts wile twirl se to whathm June vim
midi elWasson 111 m re Jess aro ieseded
seupdhp `
sotberldiry Wed perry,
as it thatdad be welkeed ley
spas ate`f Odor. Ihre.) *s • logis-
Islin amid go lbws had been writ be sob el priliont
wW pertkielly adeded Jews from Odra* solimest.
As bh-sebisi ad hissed Mid was set ado le lode irn.
dorm of • Jew lesors been othnittegossid lispdhortt,
es he would be mains thew ay raid dim lie es
and voting wee not rewire ethelaw logiesl (Hilt/
In the count of • debate which
leansssmssi_ %As rat 1
=chs its: ell Onf d E
lir TM and Corporation Ade was eurld, the words
•ea Ithe Ire lath of • Cluisfirr was sided for the
)c.,f
as Is ref arms ardent frit the Jews
ere no% isle dor Wag an toad, it bed
bus the ordsidt. siderVi firenninadesd re kg=
rd d Yen ; sad the past = gidZ
prod, wadi fir dr SO ramose thee
With ed Wind de Jere from peelbesel. The
eludes of ths woods „ads Owe bird •Clididis•
11•111 a, en ths writ IMO lbw bed dr rid of
bet bow Ira I ad ibe cart de or
Ude apise et presselles
perling det de yams vinge
Is silt arid wet the silo el Pon
rriarlitzwillis &odd te bow the side Miry dt
dolma Aim ordtbertimporr prow of
pisiosrat me le dr
swift whisk bed hasseilaatTernwesei be woe to dr
psioddia fir =WIN ds Jews from ldsh somas. (Haw)

He did art complain of the selection of oaks. enemy...ad In
the dames But there were other Important saws which
ralsdpeculiar advantages in the eyes of the Jews • such,
instiamee, a.that of Chancellor of the lltackeauer.
(Isseetiter.) There were Jews eminently qualified to ft the
elks ,• and perhaps if the hon. member for the City of Lei-
den obtained snout in the House of Commons, be might
Imam an efficient and no doubt very influential Chancellor
of the Exchequer. ("Hear, hem," sod laughter.) But
there was one provim of the bill which he did net under-
steml—that which provided it should not be lawful for any
sprofessing the Josiah religion to advise bur
y touching or coucerning appointments in the
church of Englend and Irelmil. (rinse, bear.)
g that a Jow, by the moths of his abilllice and
llyV;
arlisimentery influence, which he wits very likely to
=Trear bid the pinion of First Lord of the Teueury ;
M under this bill be deprived of the privilege of ed-
doing the elitism un the disposition of eietheireiii id benetii ti ;
and to the Archbishop of Canterbury wee committed the duty,
in the ease of benefices in the gilt of an office held by a Jew,
of dispeing of thee benefices. Ho had inch au opinion of
the most reverend prelate who now held that high Aim that
he mid net for • noommat believe that even that temptation
sweiff banes him to wee fur this bill. (" Hear, hem," sad
:10.) But ea Is who IMP to adme her Majesty with
to those heroes which were in the gift of the crown,
M hill Wt dims ha dank. Ito we. saying that he should lies
le lam whet tons the object and the purpiee of the introduc-
Mem et *me theme. It we. not a lung-entertained pis
salbegootsf bee Majesty. government, or the result ofri
allisielen he in •• committee co the bill in the Hour
Conmene en the of the theardity of the Jews emu
die sathithelleal and being eligible Ise Nunn
ormeriur
Micas lone a the goveremeat, the asbie viewed
at the heed the government, in his usual off-hand manner,
Mil that this was sot • all of pain. and penalties, but a lain
sad ahaterehessive liberal measure, which pro cad w strikes,
the lest link in the chain of religious persecution, and that's
mad have no such disabilities included in it. (11car, hear.)
Within. lours, or, to speak more correctly, within • week,
whim this wall-renesabstod measure, which we. introduced
smog the earliest of the session, and into which no goal&
cations were to be admitted, came on for further comings.
Lion, the noble lord come down to the Home ef Consomme,
and said he would agree to the introduotioa it the clauses.
(Hear, hear.) This was not the nob of alai* wilk •
greet welkin—Chem, heart—mar ems k the way to iress
the meaty with an idea of the chmachr ad peen= at the
government; but, on the costrary. _ bad • peat emir,
to canoe in the country • feeling thet Om was
something very like playing at feat and Woes as the part of '
the government with great cpleetionn and with high prin-
ciples. (Hear, hear.) He was told that a deputation of
Raman catholic noblemen and gentlemen waited on the noble
lord at the had of the government and elated, what he
(Lewd Derby) was very sorry to hear, that they felt ag-
grieved that an oath should be adopted which was different
to that which they were compelled to take' and which would
still be retained ; they objected to this, and urged that if
them wee to be one inch for all her Majesty 4 subjects,
irrespective of any queetion of their religious faith, they
ought to bo placed in as ggoed a position as the
Jews, and that they should not have an oath of a different
and distinct form leopard upon them. He thought that
was by no means an unreameelile proposition. He should
be sorry to place the Roman Catholics in the sew pneition
as the Jews. The Pruteetants of this country were in many
eremites chesty identified with the Roman Catholics, dif-
fering from them only In such exceptional matters se it had
been thought desirable to guard against in the hem el the
re oath taken by them. But in the great leading
ZneZples of the Christian religion, the Protestant. and
Catholics were at one; with regard to
the main doctrines of the divinity of, and the be•
lief in the Saviour, and with regard to the
great Isriwiples of moral duty and fueling, they held a com-
mon belief. But if the Jew admitted the doctrine of mural
duty,. there wee yet a wide severance: with regard to the
peiaenyles and the authority from which those mural deli..
were ddeerriived end on which they were enforced, between him
awl the Christian. (Ileer, hear.) The Jew, therefore,
Mood Christian more alien than my individual in
the great catholic body of Christiana deed to any other, and
ha (Lord Derby) would not admit that in • Christian legis-
lature which professed to carry on Christian legislation for •
Christian community, there was any analogy by mean of
which you could put those who were not Christian. on the
same footing as those who were, in the strict acme of the
WIN Christima. (Hear.) His noble friend had said that be
wiehed re®e ono could tell him what wee meant by =-
christianises; the legisisture. Ile (Lord Derby) had not
urged that argument ; but Le thought ho knew the weaning
ef the weeds unchrietianieing the legislature. lie did not
sag that the admission of three or four Jove, did unchristi-
an'', die beidaturc, or that they would exercise an undue
rinse In Ike dsliberetions of parliament, but he was not
me thal Mok perm might met have the effect of inter-
vals( alibi is the way of mime of a Christian cha.
Baehr. He oteddreve ea Wave, by way of illustration, of
what he mat. none yam wee • public mbeeription we.
rod, for Isms oiliest of psi minute and distree, and in
we an mini to the Christian mow by
infra Christian mest. A Jew. who WS one of the princijed
emtributore to themaiseripties, said he objected to the word
.Cheinis=" sad whited it to be Math out ; he urged that
**Jew amid ad be offendedirya peememons which put
the meal ea the Lining of hadoM_ mgethy ; and the
Mai WM Mt ilk iiily aimaseepe= Mot m enter to
amble Ste be sengled the appeal to In Chinn= sympathy
dim semay
_was drat out of Os sargeneres. Sonictiting
ales me kind might mu is the lain ofCommoca ; and
land Smut occur in ransom Os the enstoce of beginning
the gressediene of each a, wllk meem, which were all
othealsp In the same of Obeli lie- did not know if Jews
mme to on into theft lopislipf house, but when a
lzirre we to ens de proxy, lies won careen. words
Inds! he Antolini, its Um which must be ex-
cluded bin he amid an It. (Been r.) lie was
proming to dim haw it wee that the Isethisture could be
untheislimind by the mbeknion into it of three or four
Jew% emi be midi wait by doing so, you took from it
its Mend= ef ea mimic* Christian body—(hear, hear)—'
and yea Ilsenesil that legislation had no neeemary, or men
any elsonsisa with the religion of the acenstry—(hear, hem)
—sod thee yea did by the simple act al striking eat of the
palikeemtery oaths these words which gave its chief
84 the oath, the wards "ea the true
4117/ to
• Christian." Those words yen peopled
to algae out. Why P It wee the Int coadesomkos
you awed towards those whom yea proposed to introduce
fate ithe legidate= and by that zneas:seimi put an end to
say skew, of any measure of a &erecter being
meal by the legislature. (Hear.) That was what he
caul letteriatiameing parlisoneat—(beer)—namely, that for
the Mem Christianity could have so plat in the legialation
of the esnedry. The noble earl said that you excluded the
3 hat that you admitted mem of all other rtligiona and
. no No doubt if aon clam to forswear hiseaclf,
wham ho (Lord Derby) nor the legislature could help it;
ea Mt they could my wee that no man should take
pot la the legislature of the country who doe.
tied peels to be • Christian. Further than that human
Itwrew could not gq and short of that it should not and
mad to go. But ova if it on normary to admit the
Am= gedieneat, wee it imind that the consciences of
ftholdthas Mold bs sad= big the skiing out of the oath
it am nosh wide kink sgse gees to it all its force and
offsvollyt War ad haw nada aa exception in favour of
M those Mb aged la ths thoos al taking the oath, NM had
Ism thai Is la met Qui= and Moravians f The Jew,
If he Masi nab a silt aneellon might have more fairly
distil Ille mmelepsell al • amid slim In his favour by
el wore 1.• and have an oath which would be
en his modessa Bat that would not have
smog Os mime of the government. (Hear,
VTIM Mali have bean an enactment which
st meth= be= mimed lry their lordships' house,
WMI mid hays Ime ouni bedi to the other houses
with tholgool of f t Woolf Oil, MI dm it would have been
fig the Whom 0 Clesoms le mg while. they would pet-
✓els Ibis aisle emits of inthmalory oaths until such
MOM = soli Mes the Mass d Leda to adopt such •
MU it et eleAeteep the athebnisa et Jews to the
infebagia Mr Mindifs loveesmmi bail, however, taken
OMAN 111111111111, gal all ill My palm howl might
ism as Mann on/ sa dint epos Imo ember. of their
mw last onion afar the MB it the admits-
reallartb• Jews Laid- had bra othsted by their
theleblgn he Derby) had inandned • bill
le and the Mr eta by maim el the
belthiara hat white provided that the oath him should
mai the words "on the Inn kith of a Claidisa," but
side ipit rid of all .het on obsolete and enemleas, and
villa his seble &had called ridiculous end innhemous,
Is the MM. Bet he wee told that the Henn d Com-
mons vas deleesand to have Jews in their hoer, end that
fig Weil set yleid say pont with regard to piiiianien-
key edam Mil La BOON et Lords ears up their oppoei-
Hsu Mewl • moms. When this amass was introduced
In igo of the peessat seseiae, he (Lord Derby) so
ik• in theiabethie of the bill that be should have ac-
tin awed realm mod bum mewed in committee the
bead= et the.worde "ea the tree kith of a Christian ;"
bat is the HMO of Ceram that amendment sod been
.mead,h sad bol Ma *NIA by • large wejority,
in • priori, they add rijset say meth eneadisent lee
Mt he Mee proposed, sad which skao could
Milk ithir lord‘te ceator with the othir boom.
Leargose.) lie behrentr, bean somewhat them=
shnowellori m naliths viral he was
of the Minn liesith d ithe dew Midi bad ben- aM
to MIN. lis bodliosa bold, as he had add, that e deputa-
tion dam& adbils =Mum sad gentlemen =it= on
the Mb Met the hand of tbecsol== regreeeded
Oka disollia 1• do folsoilia a sett it pr-
om of Mk poomolio a; sod he was told that the sable
viseml, le his wootrar, mid that ke his own patt he had net
the dabbed dine= le meth to their request, eh
that witlid=libid, bat that these were soaks
of ultra Inns ha the Mine of Coalmen; and he
was Sal it Eaten wan egged be might had a
difficulty In goAlibe bin, sad IMO= ha wisausedigly
Wbe ary that ll amply with as sogant elide Xmas
catholic Minn; chic be would 41—he ma set Moab
them km Ming the Ms vow lapsed in them Whs.
lies, sad la fedi ad ph Ibm Is • bilengsoillen
he mull ethisesrls ;ear the hem in • mean
easuadenteedt•dbmat)
11.11Zadd aims is say that this ma .sadly
SW nail viemat add le the deputation, but that was
MMe and met Of whet be did say. He WV glad the
noble dohs wiesiedi letold perhaps confirm the first
pm{d his mealy, that the noble yiseowat said
OM bo bed no o to what they proposed, ad wouldbe laic le strike oat oath parts of the- bill as the Roman
wee einoted to
The Doke of NORFOLK—It was something like that.
("Broz, boor," and laughter.)

The Earl of DERBY—It was something like that.
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) But was that a toroditabk
or a dignified manner of acting on the part of the heed of
the government—(hear, hear),•—and the heed of a govern-
ment who only • few months ago went to the country on
principles of interne proteetourtiem? (Hear, hear.) The result
however wee that the Roman eatholiesdid not get whet they
asked, and clauses were inserted in the bill by whisk Jere
were incapacitated front holding certain offices, and that not-
withatanding the indignant repudiation of any smolt cmlopre-
Mile, and the loud professions of liberality of the noble
viscount in the other house of parliament. if the govern-
meet had chosen, they might have retained the words "on the
true faith of a Chnstien" in the oath, and by. retaining them
might Live avoided shocking the consciences of many pee-
wee, while they might at the mum time have openly tested
the feeling of whiteout, and a.oeetained whether it was
their wish that the Jews ehomid be admitted into the legisla-
ture ; but their lordahipe were not permitted to remove from
the oathe all that was obsolete miles' they were coerced into
admitting the Jew. into the legislature. Hit noble friend
had raid that he hoped that he would not hear that !hie was
• fitting oocasion fur essurting whet he called the fictitious
independence of the Houle of Lords (Lord Grenville in-
timated dement.) He legged hie nobletriend'e parden, but he
heard him use the word fictitious ;" but if Ma noble friend
withdrew it, of course he had nut • word to say more on the
subject; bat his noble Mend had said that he hoped he should
not hear that this was a littingloccasion for the weenier, of
the independence of the Howe of Lords. Now, he (Lord
Derby) hoped that the House of Lords, in matters of high
principle, would always amert their independent*. ((fear,
bear, end cheers.) He would not enter further on the ques-
tion of the admitaion of the Jews to parliament in
which their lordships had made up their mind., as a question
of principle end reason, apart from all considerations of expe-
diency, end in that reepert he believed that the mind of the
Housed Lords was es much made up an ever; hut he could nut
deny that then were times, which were deeply to be lamented,
and which happily were of rare occurrence, when the !Immo
of Lords and the Ileum of Commons in their legislative
capacity might be devoted to make some aserifice of prinot-
ple to what they thought beet adapted to effect great social
and political changes. He did nut think that
thus was one of the highest prineiplee, but he
spoke of it with Nepal, became it was one
on which their lonlehipti had acted, and which had
influenced great gatemen among whom heneed only men-
tion the Duke of Wellington and Mr Robert Peel. There
were time. when an abet:net ease of justice :end right had
been overborne in the HARR of Lorde and the House of
Commons by a sense of danger arieingfmm collieien between
the two houses of pediment ; by • danger of disturbance
and turbulence likely to Iced almost to anarchy ; and there
were cireumetaneee attending that grave state of thing.
which hod influenced the legislature in yielding their convic-
tion* and opinion. to a course of expediency. That woo the
MOO when the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert
Peel passed the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act,
which they did not concede from the conviction of their own
holing.; but they yielded to what could not be called juatire,
bet to a sense of danger to the country. The same thing woe
dose by the House of Lords in reference to the Reform Bill;
and later still, with regard to the repeal of the Corn laws.
There were swears on which thew lordships meted in op-
lineation to what they thought in the abstract just and right,
but they yielded to the force of formidable dangers to the
state and to the country, whoosh were presented to them as
the only alternative. Ile would sub his noble friend what
wen now the formidable dangers and inconveniences, if the
House of Lords should reject this bill ?
Earl GRANVILLE—I did not say there were any.
The Eerl of DERBY—No, his noble friend did nut my so,
and he thanked him foe the Marston that there were no
such fiormidahle ouresqueners to be apprehended, there was
no danger of collision between the two lenses of parliament,
there was no danger of any disturbance of the public peace,
no danger of the arising of any of those moral or wociel evils
which might formerly have influenced their lordships; but
his noble friend said that he hoped he should not hear any
argument founded en the notion that it wee necessary
is support the independence of the Howe of Lards.
Ilia noble friend should not hear that argument from him,
but he would hear that he saw no beeeseity for the House of
Lords to be placed is the praition in which they were now
placed. He believed that their lordehipe' minds were made
up on tide question, and he hoped that they would pantie
the name course which they had hitherto pursued, that they
would adhere to their resolution to maintain the Christian
character of the legislature of this Chris= country, and
that they would not be induced to swept • measure
with • condition attached to it, which wou only in-
tended ne a screw in the consciences of their lord-
ship., and that while they regretted that the govern-
ment had not *operated the two principles involved
in the bill, they would not be induced to sanction a combina-
tion of two principles in one of which they could not agree,
end that they would determine on not accepting the bill.
On there grounde, spolienring for having neap/Ned no long
ion their lordship.' attention, he begged to move that the bill
be rests armed time that day six menthe (Loud cheers.)
Lord LYNDHURST—My lords there are many reasons
why I should rather have wished that any other noble lord
should have taken the lead in this debate; but I have felt,
and I do feel at this moment, that unless I avail myself of thin
opportunity of offering my opinions on this subject to your
Lordships I might not be able hereafter to do so. No noble
lord can admire more fully than I do the eloquent* of my
noble friend; and, if beautiful language and splendid de-
clamation can determine this question, then I eel eatielied
that there is no chance of your lordships reading this Lill a
second time. But I have been so lung ftuuiliar with the
Howe of Lords, I know the course of their peatedinge so
well, that I entertain no apprehension that this question will
be decided on any such grounds. I have, while my noble
friend was addressing you, been considering what mune it
would become me to purees on this occasion, and. from the
confident* that I plat* in the judgment end liberality of the
house I am confident that your lordships will neoguies
the et:endues of the principle on which this bill is founded.
I think the true tonne to be pursued is to point out die-
needy the facts of the case, and then to advert to the argu-
ments on which it le rested,—the arguments which have
been urged on one aide and on the other, and among them
those which have been urged on the present occasion by my
noble friend. Now, my beds, es to the facts on which the
cue depends, and on witch I think I shall satisfy you lino
it uutiOy turns, they may he stated in a ahort time and in •
few words. I must call attention, in the first intones, to
the period of the revolution in 1688. Those by whom the con-
stitution of this country was then settled determintel at the
commencement of the reign, of William 111. to revise the oaths
taken in parliament and elsewhere. There woe, then, the
oath of allespance; which was of a meet cumbrouti form, and
then was the oath etenremacy. That nath of allegiance
was adopted In the sign of James 1., and it cent dud the
words ' without equivocation, and on the true
fifth of • Chrislism" Thee nab, after much con-
sideration was spells eel in lieu of it there
was subUlteted tae Ample enth of allegiance in •
concise fora, width we me new asenskused to take. I come
now to the alit membleresik, the eMb of euprensey. The
oath of unprenrey, then, cessitheil el two ?arts—an affirms-
num,. and a negative past; the afikreative pert assorting
the triepteMaey the arewceand the negative
pert dalialas dna no foreign or potentate bath or
=to bag amp spiritual dominion or authority in this
Thus ewe /111110116 in the parliament of that day
who sdmeatei the eirildng out of the former part and the
' retaining ef lie Wei part. The ady oaths then were the
oath d angemmey, each me I deuelbed It, and the oath of
allui&rorronow take it. In the third year of the reign
of 111. the mown was eireettled, but no oath was
adds en the wastitiesear, r * was not considered requieite
le de se. liiete es peocemisi till the twelfth year of
Wilke' 111., whim • koilior change was made,
as, in ampagnama of the death of Queen Mary
and in Dales of Gloweeter, • new settlement of
Se ISOM hems thommuy, and it WOO then settled
as the Prisons Downer of Hanover and the heirs of
bar hely ; end la sekleses Hat crown was settled in the
sorerla which Beam renelsm No new oath was re-
=4y porthassi and the great men who made that set •
sad the ady salt which was la farm was the short
ea& ef thegleene raft mgative oath of upremacy. Then
este@ what took pies Milks lest year of the reign of Wil-
liam. On the dee& eddemse U. Mena emoted the title of
King of England, and the suppetek la his claim by the
French monarch. He wee proclaimed King of England in
France, end step. use taken le ma/no that chase
Then It was that the oath of abjuration was introduced he
the purpose of meeting any contey arising out of that
sad the necessity of supppaattlYsgg the crown of Great
against the combination of Preen with the deuced-
enieellanses the Second. Tint oath ef abjuration, with the
Giber oaths imposed in the time se Willem, blue come down
Morin. But the object kw whisk the oath of abjuration
was amid Ms lesi men led been at an sad. What
e Ilia wand envy ms demi think ought Is be pm-
said t Wily, dimply to moped ea nit which was
he a special mama which has ono le on ask end=
the tree sear oaths astbsg wee Ingesil is the ea of
surly, the oaths eI alliginees sad supremacy.
By this bill the ads et alleging* sal ilipplaoy, es fruned
in the time of Wiliam lIL, We 11141WIIIMIL But there is
we addition whit Md not exist la the Inn at Maims I I 1.,
and that is the Oa .mining the ensemeka M Me mown.
If I was asked Han& an oath wal asassory, I should say it
was not. If it was ant eoaaldsosl ninaararr la the time of
William 111., hew am it be seesisny Is tranquil this like
these? These edits hare ill bun seised is one form,
and what posit diotalita ow Mese be to that course?
What, ocednuel the web hid, nth the pennon in which wo
now stood slat as. the pada= of things in the
time ef Wilßen Iltt Was it proper or desirable to
mune our Isamu position ? Then it was said that
it WU desired to old something to these oaths.
They aught to add something to the oath as it existed in the
reign sf King William 111. But why and what were the
words? The words were, tt Without vocation, end on the
171110 hash dsChrislisa." Why were words added— for
what pupil, seen they introduced? The hieteri of the
trammeling wee weliknown. The wards were allied becalm
thsy wipe amddlned more binding an the emeciansen if desßow Whalen sod in eeneolsenee et the illeseeerf
penlinshme hed min inharlha heads of Garnett
and Arm win was annented la the
oh gusgserder
an t at They
wets beethed in the oath hi s nark Int which
no longer existed; and 'at It w ideal le those
words that bad been expunged in the edam el Waken 111.
Then let them consider what wall be the Mkt of the emu.
Mon of these words. His noble friend said that it month
admit aliens—that by admitting Jews It would alb* Am
into the legislature. But the Jewellers sot aline. No so
would say that the Jew, of the paint d who were be.
in this country was aliens le the eye tithe law, The
question had been decided some years ego. A cam mate
upon which the opinion of the law 101411 was tabs—Na
noble and learned bind (Broughton) unapt themes is

whether Jews born ha this country were alien, by ranee of
their religion, and whether they were entitled to hold lands.
The judgment wee moat distinctly that they were not aliens,
that they were entitled to hold lands and enjoy all the other
rights and privilege, of her Majesty's natural horn subject..
That being so, whet would be the effect of retaining the.
words? An unconstitutional exclusion of three persons from
their legal rights—an exile/rein not by • direct set concurred
in by both hum. of parliament and the sovereign, but by a
side wind. In the case of " Miller and Sitlinnenr," in the Le-
chequer, two of the most learned judges of the, court laid
down the principle upon which they ought to proceed. They
said if parliament thought proper to exclude the Jews from
the legielature they ought to do so, not in this wuv, by •
.ode wind, but by a direct set of parliament. For )timed(
he could not underetand upon whet ground. the insertion of
the words could be j emitted. It could not be with a view to
any security against ltoman catholies—they could not inert
them with the avowed object of excluding the natural born
eubjerte of her Majesty who were Jews—for they had no
right, conatitudonally, to do so. If they desired to exclude
the Jews, let them do so openly, by a direct rot of the
legia-
biturs. That was the only mode by which they could con-
stitutionally or legally exclude them. It was said they were
excluded in former time.. He (Lord Lyndhurst) did not
believe, when the oath was framed, the Jews were even con-
sidered. (" Hear, hear," from Lord Derby.) The argument
of his noble friend was, that if they were net supposed to be
excluded they would have been excluded. (Hear, hum)
What was th, effect of that argument ? It came to this,
that they did not exclude them by law, but they were sup-
posed to be excluded. lie held that moo ot the arguments
on the other side were answered by a correct elatement of
facts; and here the facte were conclusive. His noble friend
said if you do not insert there word. in the oath you un-
christian]uo the leerielatrue. How could the maiseion of the
words unchristianise the legielature Ile would wish his
noble friend opposite to carry himself back to the reign of
William 111., to put himself in communication with those
great men by whom the revolution was effected, and he would
ea him what sort of a reception did he thick the proporition
to omit these words, "on the true faith of a Christian,"
would meet with from Lord Somers and Lor.l Ilffifax.
(liar.) Did King William 111. unehristianiee the legislature
during the whole of his reign by striking out theft words
from the comb ? Was the parliament le. Christian then
than in the succeeding reign, when it was influenced and
conducted by Bolingbroke' • professed infidel ? (Hear.)
Was it 14.1 Christian than the corrupt parliament of the
reign of Charles 11., when It was influenced by a profligate
king and a base and corrupt ministry ? On going further,
was the parliament of James I. when the oath was first in-
troduced and the words inserted more Christian than the
parliament of Elizabeth or the rearliement of Edward VI. ?
(Hear, hear.) He raked, could there be a doubt upon the
mind of any man as to the beta or the justice of the cue
Then (and this was one of the principal arguments on the
other side) it we. said that the British parliament was •
Christian legislature, consequently that Christiana alone
ought to be admitted into it. Now, what wan the meaning
of parliament being a Christian legislature? It was •
Christian legislature, be apprehended, because it represented
a Christian country. But what was the meaning of a Chris-
tian country ? lie supposed what was meant was a country
conereting wholly of Chreitians. But were not the Jews en
eraential part of the community% Were they not the subjects
of her Majesty equally with the Christian pert of the popula-
tion? And in this Christian country,. which was composed
of a great preponderating body of Christiana, but with acme
Jews among them, what inconsistency could there be in the
legislature being in something like the Name proportion of
Christians and Jewess the community it repreeented? (Hear,
lea.) But were not the courts of justice also Christian ea
well as the legislature? (Hear, hear.) Were not the muni-
cipal corporations Christian? And were they any the lees so
bemuse the one wee presided over by a Jew, and Jew were
admitted as members of the other? A Christi= tribunal
might be presided over by • Jew, and a Christian corporation
—the corporation of the City of London might, and
had been, with great effect, talent, andability, presided
over by • gentleman of the Jewish. persuasion. But if,
ae was alleged, it wasa matter of principle that the Jew
should not be allowed to form part of a Christian legislature,
let them see how that principle had been acted upon. lie
believed his noble friend had said that there were cue. in
which they ought not to play fast and 10., but should ad-
here etrictly to principle. What had been the course par-
liament had pursued in reference to thes question of admit-
ting Jews on menders of • Christian legislature ? Their
lo dships bail misted in framing and funning a constitution
for Canada. Many of the right reverend prelate. took part
in the measure, and he had a right to presume that it wee
carefully considered. They bad not introduced en oath for
the purp . of excluding Jewe from the legislature of Cs-
nada ; but ems that legislature less Christian on that ac-
count ? Was it not aa much Christian as the legislature of
this country. notwithstanding that a gentleman of the
Jewish religion—a man distiogniehed by his high character,
his extensive attainments, and his general information, wee
one of its moat prominent members. (Hear, hear.) But
how, if it was • matter of principle to exclude Jews from •
Christian legislature, could they reconcile to their con-
elem.. the admissionof Jews to thelegielature of Canada? It
might have been en oversight; the subject might hare
been foten at the time. Well, but at • subsequent
period bad to deal with the constitution of Australia.
Was not Australia • Christian country as much as England,
or did they eat less value on Christianity in one part of the
empire dm another ? They framed the constitution for Aus-
tralia—thee framed the legislative body. Did they wi-
pe«, an oath to prevent Jews rotting in that legislature? It
was never even suggested. They framed the constitution of
New Zealand, and the constitution of the Cape of Good
Hope. In none of these cares was any attempt made to ex-
clude Jews (em the legislature. It might, and probably
would, be said that if any restriction had been proposed par-
liament would not have seceded to it; but was not that the
strongest orpiment against the retention of the disqualife fug
words in the present case? Were not the legislature. of those
colonies, framed as they had been by the imperial parliament,
a continued protest against their attempting to avail them-
selves of those words for the purpose of doing that by a side
wind which they could not accomplish by direct means? It
bed been raid by • learned and excellent friend of his in the
other house, and repeated by his noble friend Earl Derby,
that this WAS not • qua etion of religious freedom, but • ques-
tion of power. Analyse that argument and i.e what it
mounted to. What was religious liberty in the emu taken
by his learned friend in the other house and by his noble
friend Lord Derby? Religious liberty meant nothing
more than religious toleration. What was the true definition
of religious liberty as thus understood? It was that no
man's opinions, white they were fraught with danger to the
mate, or antes. some paramount end generally admitted came
cereal, ought to affect his right to hold civil office. His
learned friend, able and upright as he was, had not in this
mama taken • true view of what wee religion, liberty. The
presence of bin noble and learned friend (the Lord Chan-
cellor) reminded him of • bill that noble and learned lord
brought in two years ago, the object of which we. to strike
out of the statute book certain penal laws. The mumble of
that bill laid down distinctly the doctrine he (Lord Lyud-
buret) wan now contending for. That measure having
penned a second reading, was referred to • commission, com-
posed of the moat eminent legal men of the day,
and they, while they amended some of the enact-
ing clauaes, retained the preamble end affirmed the
principle. Ho would call their attention to what had
been done in regard to other countries—he alluded especially
to Turkey. It was well known that Christians were not
allowed until recently to hold Aloe in the Turkish dominions!
His noble friend opporite (Clarendon) argued with the go-
vernment of that country, and his arguments prevailed—he
urged upon that government the true principle of religious free-
dim, and they yielded to his arguments, and pronounced a
decree, placing Christians on the same footing as Turks.
And that measure, theeffebratedhattbscheriff, allowingChris-
time to hold office in a Mahumetan etate, was not only
sanctioned by the government but approved by parliament,
and he would undertake to say was approved also through-
out the country. (lcer, hear.) Could there he a stronger
sanction of the principle he bad laid down? laer hear.)
Were they then to urge principlles of religions freedom on
foreign goveminenta without putting the same principles in
maw themselves ; and if they did, would they not be
justly chargeable with duplicity, hypocrisy, trickery, mid
want of candour? (Hese, hear.) Nobody pretended to say
that in point of talent or information, and all other qualities,
Jews were not upon • footing of perfect equality with Chris-
tian.. They had already put them on their trial—they had
made the experiment, and had found that Jews were in every
way fitted to bold Ulla as well as Christiana.
During the last 30yeare they had had them as magietrates
end ea members of municipal corporations, and the result had
been found in every way utiefactory. They had filled all
three positions which usually paved the way to meats in the
other home of parliainent, and had proved themselves fully
equal to their Christian contemporaries. But then it was
mid, how could a man of the Jewish permission vote in the
*relators when queetionsuf religionwere under consideration?
Thee answer to that objection was, in the first place, that they
would not be likely to interfere in any question of doctrine •
but • more ratisfactory answer we. that which was made
when the same objection was urged in reference to the Roman
catholic., when the great measure of catholic emancipation
was before parliament. It was then urged, and with some
degree of force, that the Roman catholic religion was indirect
hostility to ours—that the ROM= catholiee considered that
we were usurpers—that the dignities and emoluments of our
church had been taken from thew ; it was maid that a princi-
ple of the Roman catholic religion wee to make proselytes,
and that they looked up to a foreign sovereign as their
spirituel superior—that he might be swayed by feelings
of enmity to thin country, and might use his influence over
them to the injury of the state. All these argument. were
weighty, and deserving of consideration. All felt that there
might be inconvenience and Nome danger, but they said, not-
withstanding, that the principle of reason and justice ought
to triumph, and accordingly they did triumph, the bill
weed, and the evils anticipated turned out now tohave been
exaggerated, or altogether unfounded. (Hear, hear.) But
what was the cue with regard to the Jew? Was he hostile
to our religion ? Was he desirous of making converts? Did
he not treat our religion with all respect? Did he aelmow-
lodge any foreign sovn as having power or influence in
this country? Satisfied with having his own religion
tolerated, he we. a loyal subject, and did not interfere with
ours. It was 26 yens mince this or a similar enema
was fleet introduced by • learned friend of his, upon whose
character he pissed setae words of deserved eulogy In the
lest parliament, which be would not now repeat, but of whom
he would nay that there never was an individual in that
or the other hones of Parliament more sincere sad consistent
upon the saint of religious liberty. Sines that time
is anccessive parliamenta, and successive meow,
that MINIM bad be brought forward sad carried
by large majorities in the other house. In them
majorities be found men of all partiee—men at high attain-
ments, ems of the &A chinetir, men of isorrdsg, philoso-

phew—men who were exemplar to the country. (Hear,
bear.) On the hat occasion—tit the diaelution —they (quad
the question firmented prominently to the different
tueneies, end the meek in the meiropolie partieektfy was
that the government candidate who had been returned two
or three times before was returned by a majority ferie, ao
including a greeter number of members of the Jewish pers
suasion, than enter' for the noble lord who no long end
nm-
aistently bad fought their battlea. That wee anindiestece
tf
the strength of feeling on the eubjort. When the bill come
before the /louse of Comment in the wean( parliaciect, it
was carried, as their lerolehipii were aware, by a insjoety
almost double Old of any fo of division on
lion. Three were fete not to be Eghtly I. list)
Ile had often considered, and had venwited on reara
than one referwern to elate to their lonlphips,
opinion of the relative duties of the two homes ;aria-
meat. The one represented directly the greet error. of the
constituency, while that hour. represented the picifle in a
more coo manner. Ile ceuld cenceive many • here it
might heroine the duty of that Itioisti to intortaa, a check
upon the 'townie or initeriture legislatien of the other home
of parliament—to afford to that hectic the opportueiry
wituridering or abandoning referrer°. of that de« riorion;
but he never cenaillered, except in mores of vital importaure,
that the Ileum of Lords ought to set fowl( up sea perpetual
barrier against the legiclation propered by the other moos
when the t legislation mss based upon the prinriplm cird
and religiouri liberty. No wit. loon Would RUggi.,ii roc I, a
course to their lendoltips—fur it was obvious, that oak,. they
were oupporti d by the great majority of the people their a-
fluent, end ueefulnese would be teat. (Hear, hear.) Wits
all subruiretion he had now stated his opinions on the bill, and
he truotwi that in cling eo he had wed nothing that was in.
coneistent with his respect fbr their lerdohipe or hie rim
upon the important sublet under distussion. He had beat '
upwards of thirty yeera a member of that heti.; and had
during that period taken an live part in all those mamma
that had been brought ff reward form time to time for extend-
ing religious liberty—wove of which measures ho bad ha-
pelf originated. /loving arrived now at the laic made, ha
; them ant &bur ; let there not log behind every Preteatat
state of Europe; hot them act on their former convents;
and carry out to their legitimate issue the great principles pi
civil and religious fnerlein. (Chyme.)
The Earl of WINCIIILSEA said that nearly 30 yam"
he had predicted that measures which were then becme,
law would lead to the ultimate expulsion of Christianity us
distinetive mark of the Ilritieh parliament, and this bill, if d
its intety, would be the fulfilment of his pm.
rrod in
n. lied it (nun divided into two parts, or had ft
merely provided for the abolition of wakes oaths, he shield
not have objected to it; but its object was to extract the
Christianity from the parliamentary oath, and then fore it
should have his moat etreetureur opposition. Or had
the measure been one to remove freer the lees
every social disability whirl prevented the If
enjoyment of their pwition and property, or to give them
purely religious independence, he elmuld have given it kb
support ; but he hell that the British legislature had already
granted everything which the Jews had a right to expect,
and that to go ono step further would be eerirrualy a, comer°.
mine the national Christianity. This country bed suffered
many dispensation, but in tho main the people won a
favoured pecipkc—favoured, Ice believed, for their attackers*
to revealed truth. They hall struggled through there
various dispensation, but the heaviest diopenmaica
of all wee judicial blindness, and that he f
believed was about to fell when it was proposed
to allow the present bill to become law. Some people he
knew mid that the maintenance of Chrioismity was a natter
of indifferent u in a legislative point of view, but they had it
declared in the revealed word of God, .• There that honor
me, I will honour ; them who drapiee me. I Will deepest."
Ile therefore earnestly hoped that the voice of that house
would stand between the lower house of parliament and this
question, and echo what he knew to be the religioua and
manly feeling of everything that was estimable in the coun-
try. Ile should cordially support the amendment of the Lolls
earl.

The Duke of SOMERSET, who was but indistinctly
heerd,wita understood to say that the noble earl who had pm
sat down had only repent. d pmpho tee first made by him
thirty years before. The noble earl had predicted the ruin of
England from the admiseion of Roman esthetics into poker.
meat, as now he expected it from the admimien of the Jews,
but experience told them that they need not pay very
serious attention to their alertuist. The noble earl who hid
moved the amendment, opposed the bill on the ground that
the Jews were an alien nice, but if so, why had the noble
earl consented to theirheing made magidrates, members of
municipal corporstions. sheriffs, and jurors? (Hear, hear)
The noble earl was willing that the Jew should exert ice ell
these important functions, but when he knocked at the does
of parliament, the noble earl turned round and told him ha
woof another race. It wee twenty-eight years duce that Gil
had peesed the House of Commons, and then it was stid
they were commencing to unchrisuanise the nation. Bat
during the 2.) years that bad elapsed since, more had lam
done by the House of Commons to &semi-
nate Christianity and to twist Christian education than had
ever been done before. But more than that. the noble earl
who said that the effect of this bill would be to unchristian*,
the nation, when he wanted to form a cabinet, went to the
men who were its most zealous supporters, and he (the Duke
of Somerset) ailed, was it wise thus to make Chnetianity a
party watch-word, to be shouted at one time, and east away
at another, just as it suited the political convenience of the
noble earl ? (Hear, hear.) It had been said. but he could
net believe the assertion, that mime ROM= catholic member,
of their lordships.' house were going to vote against the bill.
He could remember sitting on the stepe of the throne, ad
hearing the late Lad Plunket my he would not put his
shoulder misled the door to keep out the Duke of Norfolk,
and he could hardly believe that the Duke of Norfolk would
now he tho man to put his shoulder to the door to keep on
the Jews. (Hem, )ear.)
The Duke of NORFOLK mid it might soothe inconvenient
if he then stated the COWS' he was prepared to pursue on the
present oe.sion. The bill before their lordslope, however
it might be underetoed elsewhere, he looked upon se
a mammy providing for the admiseion of Jews into
parliament, and eo he should treat it throughout the entire
diseuseion. (Hear, hear.) Of that principle he com-
pletely approved, as be wished to see that is
every country in which diversity of religion was per-
mitted by law, and where there were etcetera of various sole
gione, there should be no restriction on the elector as to the
religion if the person for whom he should vote. (Hew,
hear.) Ile considered in ebort that it was only an act of jne
tiro to admit the Jewe into parliament, but he also looked
upon it as an act of expediency, for he euuld not emotive
anything more anomalous than a conetant differeere
emotion between that and the other house of parliament re
the question of whether or no a few members should
be admitted into the lower house. (Hear, bear.)
He advocated the measure as one of justice and
expediency, as he owed to the principle he advocated the
honour of addreexing their lordships on that OCCSFAS.
(Chem..) Still, while he advocated the principle of the bilk
he felt that there were many details to which he most con-
scientiously object, and which he should endeavour to re-
move in committee. He should there be prepared to Moro
certain amendments; and if them amendments were not mc-
ceeaftd, ho should then be obliged to give hie vote against the
third reading of the bill. But he could not help hoping that
there might be ROSH, chance of no altering the bill in tom'
'Mites as to enable him to give to the third evading the fax*
support that on the present occasion he meant to give to the
second. (Hem, hear.)
Lord DI:NOANNON supported the amendment. It wit
not the admistiort of a few Jews into the House of Commons
that gave him any alert]. Were he asked had he any ape
prehension. on that more, he should decidedly answer In;
but what he feared was the moral effect that the pacing of
such a bill as the present would have throughout the
country. His noble friend behind him bed said that
the time would come when Christianity would be disavowed
by the legislature; he (Lord Dungannon) feared that it me
coming fart, and that the IMMOor+ of this bill would be the
first great and important step in that direction.
Lord CAMOI S mid, with reference to the Roma
catholic oath, that that oath had received the unction of the
Roman catholic prelates, of the lots Mr. O'Connell, and
of all the loading authorities on Homan catholic affairs, and
that therefore the Roman catholic. had no right to quarrel
with it, although it might be competent for them to corns
before parliament and ask for he revieion. That oath
had been taken ever since emancipation, and although
certain individuals had objected to it. yet on the whole it
had formed no bar against the performance by Homan esthe-
tics of their share of parliamentary duty. If. hoped to see
the day when one common ithb would be talcs by all
members of parliament, but in the meantime he did not see
how, as a Roman catholic, he was bound to oppose the present
bill. The bill had two objects —one, the improvement of the pro-
blatant oath, the other the emancipation of the Jews,
man catholic* were distinctly 1' xcepted from its operation. He
had beard that exception dmeribed as an insult to Roman ether
' lice, and had been advised tii vote against the bill, or mot at
all. But he denied that it was on insult, wing that it lelt
the Roman catholics precisely in their present poeitioo ; ad
therefore he should not foot justified in opposing the second
reading. (Hear, hoar.) Another objection was that the bill
enacted new oath.; but that objection he also dissented from.
There 'wail no new enactment for Roman catholies--they
would *take the same oath they had always taken; and to,
having given the subject every consideration, he saw no
reason why he should not give hie cordial salient to this bill
(Cheers.) Before he kit down, he wished to do an set cd
justice to the Roman catholic peers. The advice risen t°
oppmethe bill had not proceeded from them, who wades*
put in the same scale a theoretical grievance of their owl with
the practical grievance of the Jew, nor would they
those principles of religious liberty to which they a
owed their emancipation. The catholic peers were will*.
extend to the Jews all the privileges which they entel.
. themselves. (Cheers.)
. Lord STUART I.IE DECIES supported the meth
reading, and contended that the question of the adruimetn,
of Jews into parliament resolved imelf into one enefelll.
religiowi feeling. He thought the Christian character du.
legislature would depend for its pernantince not on any Mr'
• tkuler form of oath which the legislature should prescribe
for its members, bid on the broad fact of the Christian eir•
StlaSiOS of the sovereign and the electors. So long as thee
remained Christian, so long would they have a vast pert'
dee-ethos body of Christi= legiolators to administer the aches
of the country, even if they were to maintain no relietou
test whatever. As far so the Jews were concerned, lib
•
Hewed there was no zeal reason why they should be articl„ed.
t from parliament; but there were political and relleing
t reasons which ought to induce them to remove from their',
the disabilities under which they at present laboured.
Earl St. VINCENT next addressed the house, but io
I tone which was inaudible in the gallery. He was aide'
stood to oppose the bill.
• Lord DIJEFERIN regarded the bill as a mann a
• religions freedom, and should gin it his support.