The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-02 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, MAY 2, 1850.

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BENEFICES PLURALITY BILL.
On the motion of It Phnernir, the home went into

so;;ItT;e on this bill.
On the first claire being
Mr. HUMS moved the PeTiCti of ell words after these
which stated that no person should hold two benefices, in
order to pat an sad altogether to pluralities. The time was
some when they ought to be pat as end to, crud he would
take the sense of the house on the subject, in order to plate
England in the ease way as Scotland, when every clergy-
man lived within the parish.
Mr. LAW obwved that there was net a finale member
of the government present, and on a question so directly
affecting the interests of the church, he thought it highly
improper to proceed with the NIL H. therefore moved
that the chairman report progress, is order to give ministme
en opportunity et being present. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. AOLIONBY said the bill was introduced by an inde-
pendent member, and he (Kr. A elionby), as another inde-
pendent member, was ready to give his opinion on the
measure without any dinteuon from the government. He
had yet to learn that for the business of the country it was
neerimary that her Majesty's government eliculd t.e present.
(Loud cheers and laughter from the oppeeitios.) If the
hon. gentleman the member for the Univenity of Orford
(Kr. Law) were absent, it would not prevent his. (Kr.
Aglionbr) from giving his opinion on the merits of the bill.
Mr. FREWEN appealed to the hon. member not to press
his motion.
Col. SISTHOIU' evqpiseted that some inquiry should be
made as to where the ministers were, when they ought to be
is their plows earning their overpaid salaries. (Laughter.)
Lard ARUNDEL said that the Secretuy of State for the
Home Department had left a request with him to be sect
for when this bill was brought on, and he had done is.
Sir J. WALSH said there was no wish le kir&
progress of the bill, but it wu felt to he a esseeare an
which they ought to have the bpinion of the goverment is
, every ste.
Mr. UORSMAN said that the insisting on the present* of
minieters when the measure to be discussed originated with

an independent member threw indirectly an enormotte
Cpower into the hangs of the government, which it wee most
to confer upon it.
Mr. HUME said it was a direct imputation on the good
sense of the hens'. They were not a parcel of babies—
(laughter)—regu.ring the wishing of the government on
every occasion.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said if it were not competent for
the house to decide on this measure without the Rovernment,

it was not competent for them to decide upon anything.
Mr. MANGLES said it was possible that the Secretary
of State might have received a summons which it was im
risible for him to disobey. (Loud laughter, during which
Sir G Grey entered, and was hailed with much cheering
from both sides of the house as be passed along to his seat.)
Mr. HUME having explained the nature of his
amendment
Sit G. GREY said he fully agreed in the principle of the
bill. But the hon. gentleman's amendment would prevent
many small livings I. be °emendated and held together,
which he (Sir G. Grey) considered most desirable.
Where it was impossible for the same clergyman to attend
to the cure of souls, he thought it would be inadvisable to
unite two livings, and that pluralities held in that way
should be abolished.
Mr. HUME said hie object was to force consolidation and
to enact that none should take place except in such cases as
the right Wm. gentleman suggested. But be wished the bill
first to declare the abolition of all pluralities. The case the
right hen gentleman reserved could be provided for after.
wards. But even in that case he should insist upon the cler-
gyman being resident.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought that if the hon. gentleman's
proposition were practicable, the house ought at once to assent
to it. (Hear, hear.) Bat there wee one, and only one ob-
stacle to it, namely, the want of adi quate provision for the
clergymen in connexion with some of those benefices. He
wished with all his heart they could follow the example of
Scotland, bat there there wu no living under 1501. a year,
whereas many of the English benefices did not reach 801.
By the hon. gentleman's amendment many of those poor
benefices would fall vacant, and how were they to be
filled up ?
Mr. HUME—Give me the nomination of them, and I
will loos fill them. (A laugh )
Mr. GLADSTONE feared the adoption of the amead-
meet would be attended with a practical evil, as there were
three plans before the house which could not be considered
if the amendment wen carried.
Mr. HUME objected to the amendment of Mr. S. Herbert,
because, although one of the contiguous parishes might be
under 1001., the other might be 1,0001.
Mr. 8. HERBERT observed that, if a clergyman held
two living, contiguous to each other, and one of them was
large, the incumbent would be the better able to pay a curate
to do the duty of the other.
Sir G. GREY was certainly in favour of consolidating
small living, that were contiguous to each other, but only
provided the duties of both could be performed by oae

Clergyman.
Kr. HUME entreated the holm to affirm the principle of
abolishing pluralities. He would, therefore, persist in his
amendment.
Mr. HORBMAN supported the boo. gentleman in his
determination. The bill before the house would legalise the
principle of pluralities, and perpetuate the non-residence of
clergymen, although he admitted it was an improvement on
the editing law. They should consolidate thou perishes where
there was work for one clergyman only, and get rid of plu-
ralities. He was glad the hon. member for 'tontines had
pet that question fairly before the hones.
Mr. B. DENISON said there were many pariahs, in
which there were no churches at all, and many in which the
population was very small. Now the only way in which
those parishes amid be served was by uniting them to an
adjoining parish; but if the amendment were curia that
could not be done.
Mr. PBTO said in Norwich there were 35 parishes, some
of which were net worth more than 301. or 351. a year each,
and if they were not held in plurality no clergyman could
bold them at all. Therefore, though be was opposed to
pluralities, he could not support the amendment.
Kr. BUBB observed that the abuse of which the hon.
gentleman complained might be remedied by consolidating
Wee pennies.
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Mr. S. HERBERT then moved an amendment that after
the weeds "eon other and" in clause 1 the words to the end
of the done be omitted, aai to substitute then words—
" sakes the yearly value of such contiguous beaelleas shall
be lees than ewe hundred pomade." His din was that each
parkk should have a resident parson. With a stipend of
1001., be thought they would secure the accidence of a
panes ; not that he suppoied that stipend was sufficient.
Oa the ceatrary, he thought it was inenflielent, but they
would be able to obtain a 'ingrain who would under-
take it.
Er. CHRISTOPHER gave his right hon. friend full
credit for wishing to obtain a resident parson, but the way
is which he sought to obtain his object wu objectionable.
The *feet would bath prevent the consolidation of parithea
In his own county there were many pac• es in whisk there
wen net awe than 60 or 60 parihionere, while in an ad-
joining parish there was 600 or 600.
HUME supported the ellUtbdilliti. It was not so
good as kis own whisk the somatittee bad jut rejected, but
it would tend to prevent some of the abases now existing.
Sir GEORGE GREY quite agreed with the honourable
gentleman who spoke last, that it was desirable that
pluralities should be abolished, bemuse they induced non
residence. The object of the present bill was, that no two
biselloss should be object
together, inept under circumstances
la which practically they should be considered as one
bombe, the clergyman being able personally to superintend
the two perishes, the population not being excessive, and
they being actually oontignove. The right hoc. member for
Wiltshire went farther, and proposed as an intendment that
ao bowline should be held in plurality, except the value of
the contiguous pariah should be lees than 1004 a year, and
he should support that amendment.
Col. THOMPSON said they all wished to see a diminu-
tion or an abolition of pluralities, but some of them felt
doubtfel whether they should vote for no pluralities with-
out their Wag some mode of getting rid of them. Sup-
pose it were moved that there should be no more poverty,
hon. memben should not be asked to vote for It nine there
were soon means of revisiting people being poor. Oa
these grounds he should vote for this amendment in pre-
Wenn to the amendment that went before it.
After a few words from Mr. Palawan,
Mr. GLADSTONE said the argument against this bill
was that then might be cases of plurality that would not be
attended with evil. Now be did not admit the principle in
any nes ertipt when there was a ere of absolute annuity.
The ground on which the amendment stood was this, that
is cases of livings the endowments of which were under 1001,
a year, and where they probably could not secure a clergy-
man there might be an absolute necessity for plurality ; but
snore there was an income of 1001. a year they proceeded
upon the principle that they could noun the residence of a
clergyman, and they would not admit plurality In any such
case.
The °animates then divided,
Fur the anwiadment 162
Against it
The clause as amended was then agreed to, as were
clauses 2 to 6 inclusive.
Clause 6, which related to bessflose in Ireland, was struck
out, and on the motion of Mr. k'sustrist another clause was

sob
it that no faculty or dkpensatioa shall
ha 'fir Wang tweet more inseams la 'Meat,
The ilieht ressmeed, sad the bill Iris ordered to be
repoettil ea Tasede amt.
FACTORY ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. HUME asked the Seermary for the Home Depart-
ment whelber Lard Ashley's Factory Bill weldbe brought
forward todemnow (rib day).
Sir G. GREY replied that several hoe. gentlemen said
last sight, whoa soda was given of as alteration in the
bill, that they theuiht It her that tams shottld be given
to that part of the comtry Waited by the bill to consider the
offset of the alteration. He commualcated with his noble
friend (Lord Asilft) upon it, and it was under-
lined. tat the etdie amid eland for tomonow,
sad he would they state the coarse he should take,
and that he should net Ines it cm the house If there wete
any counter proposal. It wool& be his (Sir George Grey's)
duty to state, on the part of the government, the course
which they should submit to the home and it would be for
the house to choose between the two. 'Therefore he did not
think that to-morrow, preelicelly, then would be a discus.
don on that bill.
LANDLORD AND
LIST TENANT BILL BURGESSES
BILL.
Colonel SIBTHORP as" notice that on motion for going
into committee on the Landlord and Tenant Bill, and on
the question of the second reading of the Burgesses List
Bill he should move that those stages of the bills be pro-
ceeded with that day six months.
PARISH CONSTABLES BILL.
This bill was road a third time tad passed.
Tee other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the hones adjourned at du o'clock.