The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-10 00:00:00

„ittei would fellow. (Hear, lt was
t ah. a ...yawn posted Mew Mils bear
• , tot •• the Post-eMee until the Sol-
d he ewer in
•` emu: but he could intone the boast
-” NA.' mad* he employing va•
• allcer, hear.) Toe tadway
• seiespalwrs all owe the entairy;
••
Tool and Manchesterra an orragodam
view to the pid sad Gerais ills-
1, b
• • " • San.lays. (Hew, hear.) He
r.
..oleas a cowering seek. There was
• • ''•;,,jd iq Liven col. who had orteashed a
ia number to tbe Posooftlos
heas)— as oho Hewn.
'' Po Ike ease plow, who undertook that,
;,„ w..hig be provided with slaty
Anwnw hue. bear.)
Here they had
aztes. 1
• 01 lab. or by the direct empleg‘
• •~
rof penes' who were thus WWI
cattics which rightly devolved on lb •
• 'tbs?. Wu.) Now. by the present divides of
V** say that d areStef samba would
'c`'C
. • • .vrirat tee dote • hat' when it wee PEP.
diet ? •
(Bear, hear.) Bat that wee met
evc
.• ;Ailing all that add labour, it Monad
to the nth
,tth,ee willies were opeaoaly
:I ey cer: .Ixr.l aceiv.r awl pihr. (Hear,
a se sibird to wad eras'alas
thcuch a wealthy morehant=
sthe drone telegraph, yet
the pece Min
, tkistaay's letter till MZZ
;,s^c•,s ht ht be that its watents
bear Ile had is his posseesista the
,aa a atleman. • seirtreen, who, laving
; li!ice, starttil off ea receipt of
la the the in
mean
tak-
etn time fret the funeral
• ictetsicta tc poter,na the fawned woo
• „woe he
written tote tbat effect • but
• ~,tias the letter remained la the 'pear
.; .it'esse le whom it Woe Wended in • Ur
crd it Is fore it left the post-office in whisk
tato, He had also a htter
notion, superinteadeat of a tog *etas-
Ai which he complained that, after
~t live he was afforded no postal mesas
‘..; %lolly of being made acquainted with
cht lave occurred an the interim in the
a „haat he superintended. (Hear, hear.)
•• al to hien, that it was tang for
.0 tete ated.2.n- to v sous who happened to be
vat
which they pawed, but in
;ete vast otlice arrangements this could
cs, the gra at detriment of the poor. He
tia.dey beim; a day of rest, it was usual for
.10 eta I.l,ouring under Maws to take
oa that d•y in order to prepses
the Labour of Monday. (Laughter.) `ea-
...,e habit of
Ueda,t • ra:lite at F
the almouthpurpose, Plymouth,
and for of re-
•••,,a; ‘• ellen; the intelligence beeneht from
• the isturd•e tuns, but in couence
..e-r..t.reaterts the Saturday despatches would be
7.- 11. at. roentgen in these vemeh made we of
•of romenuucetien to hear from their friends.
ficdittes shauld not b taken away from
;et tllev, hear.) The people of
..err not prepared to say that ships should not
....it!: ley mon th2n they were that crime should
that day. As bag as human infirmities
take the means of relieving than and
not acted those means it should permit
• !, them. 111e.r, hear.) It was said that it
thc ^, ,or men to rest on the Sunday. This
r tsclwirely belonging to the Post-o See ;
tze right hen. gentleman, the Chancellor of
very properly observed, it did not extend
• the p r., or the Custom-house. The hon.
ire:nded by 'hooking the house for the patience
'.e lad been listened to, and saying the nada-

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fires ZY`iCi•
v: VCR 'evaded the motion, whieh he was the
buns he had not as yet bed an °pm-
.:
• ,rriing his o, anion with regard to the resets
been recently passed. by the hews. He
th3se pits to who Wed in the
Paula/Lot
e.- *.m were actuated by one or two opinion. One
▪ that the sses.ion was one of religim ; the
woe one tf mere pii.icy and convulses.
.-err ace to the discussion of the mat-
t-ef these *pinions crowd one mother,
• : '...rotands happened to be affected by the one or
• ••• 3 were seed *gains him. But he should take
thins, and bringing them clearly and
.afire the house, in ceder that all might under-
. e set.th of the two they were determined to test
l•
• a-c'. IL at nu directly and roundly
• •••tout it tLis wee • religious question,
• • Ts: no right to interfere in the matter
• t.i no richt to thrust down the throat of any
as 001110 n. (Cheers.) w..“ they who
▪ i.tou; to vat.d.cate that right ? The &mestere of the
•-•-• -.Lev Who of ell men urged the representative.
• • :.a house to Come forward and limit that
t• r state church—(bear, heir)—they who
..zi tw=i4ia te perfect freedom of opiates, were the
rn:t• san petitions, insisting ea It u a duty
t- to enlace what called the
itb`Ath. (Hear, beer.) $a denied that
• is- et t.ll .! the christen religion. (" Hear, hear,"
• s : • 5.,11 )He oho it 'anomaly sad gravely,
t •: • and immersed for the interests
ur, .• tar as le wssemeemed, this quo
• v.: competency of the Bosse of Commons.
was not the Jewish sabtiata which they
wins unions, it was the Christian Sunday.
it.: Liss What was the Christie& Sunday:: A thing
1.
...tee: • :le from the Jewish sabbeth. (Km, hear.)
et( to the Jewish Sabbath could be properly,
• , :study urged spinet say set performed on the
• oinday. If he wanted authority for this, he would
tc r.e rem tatr.en of the protestant chiareb,—to
r t: Curtis, sad to the great fathers of the Unlash
.• of whom said that the Christian Sunday wee a
r- hove, heert—that it was not to be marked hy say
°bowsaws which siarsetariaed the dispensetios
• sibbeth. (Hear.) The Sunday was a day of rest,
• sumsea dey ef net prepared and set apart the human
-name by hums wisdom, for human purposes and on
. pwade that he was to justify hie vote on the present
,n. (Hear, bear.) He did not pretend to argue with
•.:.tr men this religious opinions—with that
nothing re :grittiest, hest.) It was a question for
art Its the Anthem of his being, and he had so pre-
• ..-he dared not interfere with,Him. (Hear, hear.)
that the same haughty had been punned
-.her men, and that that had abstained from
their opinion oa others. Now, let them look to the
nameiy, the observance of the Sunday on the
.td of p,itn. He knew well and appreciated the great
which was to be derived from one day of rest in the
• Hear, hear.) There was no man who worked with
e•.. eta ILO coassentiousnen, either by the hand or head,
i. _ter w crateful for an Mainline which gave him one
tir ,Z. ;IA ouch at least for rest, and perhaps no men
t).at men fully than those who were of the pro-
hir.:c to wrack he belonged. (Hear, hear.) But let them
tz.tritar.i what a day of rest meant, let them sat be misled
r.sat w word, hat examine the thing, end see what it
I,'• I. ct the Sunday meant rest for the largest number
• ewe: unity. 'How could it be afforded to the largest
• there were certain works of obsolete necessity
• c.o.'. cot be got rid of. (Hear, hear.) But &enmity
• carman wood. Thee came matters which, though not
t wces•ity, had, by habit, become almost such.
(4'a The noble lord the member for Bath talked
parvitte ithour on the Sunday. Bat where was the
wtween the work of a man who dropped a letter
door and that of the savant who rose earlylo the
"'mat wt.,, laid the elegant breakfast table, and then pre-
tend the t Act to drive us lord or muter to Munk.
(Chan lion many of those who signed petition against
stday lat.ir in the Post-office, employed lanes for that
Vario,ts lion many confined themselves to the mere
smarties aLW day) (Hear.) A healthy man required
tot a trot • f bread end a etas of water. But how many
cf ttat wt.. aned petitions confined themselves to that.
(lieu, ttu He saw a gentlemen opposite who had a
11,2, establishment. (Hear, hear.) He mated to
ier who malted on a Sandal were working os
ie otsseity. " Oh," bat it would be said " malting
ice - won of enmity, it rushes eight days, and the work
&in be carried es es the Sandal if the community are to
Late good beer." (Laughter.) And so Hens and
t malt es a Sunday. (Cheers and laughter.)
gIIMANt Maud of rest ought to be oh-
tand kw the greatest number ; this was effected
Ly combination sad lemmatise; Liverpool was now as
cut Ludor. as Menus was in past times. (Hsu, hear.)
hoppose the use of a poor man taken lick es Saturday
h.sht, and his tinily is London he could sot semi by post;
rich man cou:d despatch his mean by the railway ; lest
the tow au. was depnved of the comunaleaties becalm a
tharliaital House of Commas thought peeper that it Mend
( Hear, hear.) It was said they bed bees takes by
terprist, He believed a majority althea' who need for
the nsolution never believed it would be canted eat, bat
Its INWPII 1,14 ,*sa caused by the noble Sl=
the milltattatai lad he had done a very good
(Ulu') he migiona , nukes had nothing to do with the
enter ; it 111/ nothing but religious birth,. Already
Sudsy Men !an been increased,and the Fashoilloe bea-
'ad broken upp, by the people getting
the habit of Mae that for thenialise which tha govern-
he had beta la the habit of dons fee them. As a tali-
y.,oe laesuce, the Lein had nothing to do with It, sad
a pobbeel setter it Wei a gross blunder. (Cheers.)
loed ASHLEY old the house had adopted the resole.
14. Inch had been tarried to her Majesty, and, under the
" of ter government, her Majesty had given orders for
ILO sesatiot of Sunday labour in the postotfices. He now
avid 11'!", in the same of those he represented, to demand
Low did and aaffoieet trial for that meagre. (Hear.)
the MO stead ? The resolution was moved in that
ua
sit the ;Pith May ; shortly after that the minister of
Ste won declared that her Illeseity intended to Carry into
Oat tam of the reselatios. WAWA' 20 days of
ski Om' that maws? mad el the ordering be farthe clusir ,r of the eitsiollee, a royalties was mem to
naiad that ftllollltiOn. Meat. bee.) Wosid an 14/
tint uthou 20 den aIA fair, eat ralbeleat mei =oell
roe to the immure ? (User, hear.) Let any ems ombilbe
sweetie by obi* it we soddenly t late opeoolioo
lad the terse la obi* set Tee esached.br"ese of the faidebeee,
Of the Crews bed bar inked ithethee foetal& facilities d
'my Opt suave Weed, "oakd be glom be
dist aostattea ; mod sit oily wee It aserolgitaseire
Lift whatever would be gives, bat that the htagyge erg
the eseelotioa el the house walla be earefed
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lan
ell& The oaken bad also stated theset fl to up is merlons parts of the aseatry, the .ti°nlseelpith"la
be bneerto to re-oonsider ila reeolation. He hanalatained- a
therefore, that damn, those twenty doye, au, keg
arat lasi a 1011, fair, and itutos (Has,

Itser.) Then had bees early TlNVllMl_pstbliases is
hew el the Reasers, sal a* WPM Vint it.
No =Obeid or bowman's 111111110111111 tez
pods tram the system. thee. M sissallord M.
tats ; sad. moreover. they OM a ebbe to himetstAdert
satisbesery trial et it, et thoglemt Ss
was seer sought te be reeshaftwr -..lined by bar Keheity
ea the aims et bee slablem. It woe olio oily as sot of
Jetties to those ever wished sad aaderpaid mea who were la
the pert-.di... Re eissiateed tide Is be • dallied geodes,
VW news bed INCeptei tb ressiatitet sad bed loud the
Grim sag be throe* la tempest to the east asattyer of
poising, is rosiest to the Comity et the arms, sad is
regard es their sirs areeisteasy, they &add glee It • hill,
perhet, sad satistaelsep
Mr AOLIONDT, mho sue soli bead odes he a dirblea,
said that 1. Ms egialea the MINT boa reserved too long •
trial already. ble berg that the hero wadi arse to the
mottos ettho be.. member tee ReMtea.

Sir ihr 11. INO LIS said Gal liiiik be tome m that essesith
be thought that It woad Moe Mon mu h wee der siss la
wee of her Majesty's adethetes to haw eilesellell she Mass
bows he wee of Whim that the lessien of their
mistress would be affeesed by Pak Wl*. OW aight.it
believed that the miskiegy_' was palm* jestiltil la MAW,
her Meisel as they MI fee the petitions in 'war
of the alteration had bees slimed by 700,000 pews,
and he would tall the hew is what way the decks "employed
la the posteothoes is the Les lovas in Ragisad eajoyed
their Saaday's Memel°. He weld sot hut feel
that the pewit piessure called upon ministers to
reeciad the resolution of Whew, sad to run water to it.
Taey had it la their pow as Wednesday to endeavour to
the hew to sseethel the resolatioa on Thursday,
Ct.:etailiaving taken that ewes', but having eemmusieeted
ate address to Mt WNW end brought down her answer,
they were Walk ha inseiss to the crown and to the pimple,
to methods the arm aim wenn, and to act in sealormity
with their own estarded doesemination.
Lord J. RUSSELL—The right hon. gentleman who bas
jest sat down has appealed so directly to the government,
that I moot he explaining the position in which we at
present Mad. Toe hos. gentleman will sot deny that this
propoition, as originally made, did not meet with our =p-
eal t bat he seems to forget the eiretunstance that it is not
is our power to withhold from our sovereign an address of
this house, the house Mythg agreed to an address to be
carried to her Majesty by the members of the Prkey
Canaan. Ido rot think we are fully justified is saying,
" we will withheld the address, that althoagh it was di-
rected to Mr Majesty, it should sever reach lw Majesty;
it is true you kayo voted the address, but we cannot
opuses' to wry it." Having according presented the
address to hen Majesty, we were bound to give moons
advice, respecting it; and it appeared to me that this house
haying agreed with the address (and on consultation with
my colleagues they were of the same opinion), the only
souse to be panned was to advise the crows to carry
it into effect. The vote was not in aceordaace with oar
opinion. I certainly could have wished that this
question had not come en so soon for consi-
deration. It is brought before me, and I am
bound to give my opinion and my vote open
a subject which is now brought before me. I own Ido not
think it is a question precisely similar to the ordinary Resi-
des of the London post-ogee being shut up. sec de I think,
with my km. friend, that it can be decided by reference,
entirely to the amber of When' letters. With regard to
the PostWilee, there is this peculiarity, which separates
everything from an other Sunday labour, viz., that the
labour of the Postothes is not performed all in one day, but
the transmission of letters requires labour on two different
days. If you take the tette,' from London to
Glasgow, part of the labour is performed is
London, part h performed on the road between
London and Glasgow, sad part at Glasgow. The wan-
queue is, that if you shut up the Poet-office in London ono
day in the week, there is no less labour in London on other
days ; but it you design that the post-office should be closed
in the same way to every part of the country, that which
goes from Loudon en the Swag evening is sot delivered sr
known ea Monday massing ; end that it it not similar to this
question which we have with regard to Sunday labour.
Now, sir, as to the waseguncts which fellow from
such regulations as we have now onforcod, ia
compliance with the address of this how, I de
not wader that somniercial eonesposedowe is
the chief matter to be esesidered. I think, if
it were merely commercial conespoadence it would be gait'
right that commercial correspondence should owe on
Sunday. I own I think that if we are to de-
cide upon this motion it would be most desirable that
we should take it in what is the sense and intention of the
motion, viz., that there should be an husky whether you
could not confine the delivery of letters oa Sunday to such
a short period of time as would ,sable the clerks in the post-
of fioe to have sufficient time for attendance on divine service.
I ems that it appears to me that that
object is far from impossible, teeing how often
since the commencement of last autumn they toot measures
of that description. If that is the we I think it better to
continue the present regulation.
_Mr. MUNTZ supported the resolution.
Mr. OL/J)STONE said that the house should clearly
understand what it was going to do. If the noble
lord did not propose to omit the words in the re-
solution which ordered the resumption of deliveries pending
inquiry, he feared that he would only increase the dissatis-
faction. (" Divide.") He thought that the best plan would
be for the noble lord to take a few days to consider before
he oak an further steps ia the matter. (No, no.) He
(Mr. Gladstone) hid voted for the motion of his noble
friend after having heard the 'catmint of the govtrament,
be confessed with some misgiving—became le could have
wished for further (Jimmies ; but the motion was pissed.
=1 the riscindieg of a resolution of that house was rather
• serious matter. (Hear, hear.) Nothing could hays •
greater tendency to lower them in the eyes of the public, the
' more espechilly when, as in the present case, they were
about to rescind their resolution without sufficient experience
or consideration. But there was another quetioa tor their
consideration. They had addressed the crows on the sub-
ject, sad had made the crown • party to their set. (Hear.)
Mr. RICE made a few observations, but the impatience
of the house wairred him quite ineud.ble.
Mr. B. HOPE attempted to address the house, but the
cries for a division rendered it impossible to catch a word.
Under the circumstasees, he felt bound to vote for the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL, after what had been said by Mr.
Gladstone, thought it clearable, if there were words In the
resolution more than necessary, that some agreement should
be come to to remove them. He suggested, as a substitute
for Ina motion, that a humble address should be presented to
her Majesty, praying that she would be graciously pleased to
cause am inquiry to be made whether the amount of Sunday
labour in the Post-office might not be reduced without com-
pletely putting an end to the collection and delivery of letters
on Sunday.
Sir T. D. ACLAND fully approved of the amendment
proposed by Lord J. Russell, which met what he believed
to be the view of all who desired to pat an end to Sunday
labour in the Post-office, in order to give rest on that day to
the employe. Nothing, however, would have induced him
to vote for the original motive as proposed by the hon. mem-
ber for Honkon.
The SPRAILER having put the amendment am suggested by
Lord J. Russell,
Mr. HUME contended that the original vote on which
the change had been founded was the resole of surprise. He
thought the house ought to come to a deciann on the original
vote in order that the opinion of the house might be taken on
the main question.
Mr. CARDWELL approved of the resolution as suggested
by the noble lord.
Mr. BCHOLEFIELD reminded his hon. colleague that
petitions had been presented from Birmingham against the
total stoppage of the Mali on Sunday. A large body, if not
a majority of the people of Birmingham, were entirely op-
p to the late alteration.
Lord D. STIJART—As the altention had been made in
iseuence of a vote of that house, he could not assent to
a iesolution which called for an inquiry but pending that
Weary required that a change should be made. He hoped
the resolution would be withdrawn.
Mr. DISRAELI took exception to the terms of the rem-
lathe, which called for inquiry whether Sunday labour
night hot be reduced in the Post4iliste, whereas there was
IneHanday labour now, and saggested that there should be
111 a adjournment of the debate.
Sir 0. GREY contended that the terms of the resolution
were perfectly consietest with the object in view.
Lord J. MANNERS did not admit that the vote on this
question was come to by surprise, and he could not consent
to vote for this motion.
The house divided—
Far the original motion
For the amendment 233-141
Is wow to Mr. Rozaccx,
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it would be competent to the
advisers of the crown to advise her Majesty to make regale-
Was for the transmission and delivery of letters during
the time parliament was not sitting.
Lord ASHLEY wished to Mow whether suppodne that
the mod was sot made wields the ant five or six weeks,
be was to widerstaied that the movethemeit 'mid AK the
postal arrangements without peelimese. us
Lord J. RUSSELL said that if Wall
;Fleault
should state the resoled the and the dieselimelilllZ
by the wows to the how, Mt peeliethed We see
he thought that her Majostnagraosse were OM SOW 1
potent to advise on the Cs Hoer, hear," end'
thews.) His:lordship mid he weld sot exactly tell tad'
node in which the inquiry would be coaducted, bat instrue-
dew would ism for a hal sad satishernory Jawed/ado. to
be made.
Lord ASHLEY regretted that aftee the wigwam
the amendm given
the noble lord ha eould not wee Is ent.
The noble Iced seemed to reserve to himself an optional
power after parliantent was prorogued. _
Lord J. RUSSELL said that in the address moved to
the wows, as ingairy was suggested with regard to the
trawaimioa of int. Nothing further was required now.
After a few Wit boa Lord J. Mammas sad Lord R.
Oaoseernos
The CU of the EXCHEQUER denied
that the pvienWet had Is say way advised
her Majesty to Wenn er defeat the moths of the sable
lord the meadow kr Bath. Bs bed ausr said anything
which could beer oath a asnetruselea The SIAM Weaker
liejsety was in Mist acernylimess with the reeds*. ef the
how ; sad MIMI Sed wyensatiadlielld ye bd MS rap kola
the essaleiNEWlllt OM
Mr. P. now Asp, swig lewd thies ef °Ohl eill" sad
" Divide," sageethift a kegs that the Mew* Wail be fol-
lowed up with inyiiiig, se Hew meet wilt. mg Myelitis
theta small perils. of tho wisomedily should, se atressa,
rsteistimwnwe_he gessit boty of the people.
Win. MAC/MIMS WWI as aellowanwat of the de-
bate until to-morrow.
Mr. SPOONER sessmisil the adjesniment
Loved J. RUSSELL Meted the subject would be finished
=1
1": as an adiouraMet Wild lisee the Moot of re
the awake.