The Express.
London, England, 1861-06-08 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATUR I;A V eVENING, JUNE 8, 1861.

be applied to such a principle of ealeulatino, and
such a course must involve the government in an maples-
wit opposition with the country. With regard to the Ida
1U1.1111.1.90. duties, their abolition would have diminished
the sun plea still more than it would be by the repeal of the
duty oa paper. Itte,;arding the constitutional question—the
iniele in which the bill was brought up —it was satinfactory
to And that the noble duke was the mils person who con.
mitered it offensive to the house, and contrary to tlic consti-
tutional practice. The noble earl opposite had. ad-
mittisl that the n01V11.1113 was perfectly constitotional,
sad the noble earl neir hen Wart co.)) had even gone a
step further. and hail said that the House of Con 11111 l ns
were justified in the comae they hail taken. The greater
part of the argument of the noble boron (Lord Mouteagle)
wan directed out against the preseut budget or the present
hill, hat ,q,einist the titiancial niuseediale of last year, and
even asaiust propteitions of the present Chancellor of the
I Ea:he.piec iif on curlier date. The noble lord laughed at
the l'uttieut for talking of the
.weather u such
an important element In the douppointmeut of
i
their expectations, but n malt and hops there was a
' &Deicers in the autumn of 1,(101401)0/., attributable of course
to the w;other, and something like 900,000 f. wan lost upon
spirita, one of the chief reasons for which was that the
weather bail made the barley gnat fur use. A great deal of
.r clay: matter hail been introduced into the discussion,
which he did nut think it necessary to go ioto. He should
not enter into the livancial statement of Mr. Gladstone, and
it would be even more out of place to go into the question
moided by the noble earl (Ewl Grey) with regard to
the government having borrowed money last year for
Gn titicatiims. Again, with regard to the construc-
tion of a certain class of ships now building, to
which the noble earl had objected, he thought that a
very fair subject for debate, but certainly not upon
the present occasion. (Hear, bear.) But the noble earl
hel referred to rumours of disunion in the cabinet. The
noble earl, from his intimacy with members of the cabinet,
should not have bees so iwlucreet as to allude to soy such
rumours. If such disunion did exist it could only have
come to the noble earl in private conversation, sod
be would iu that case be discreet enough nut to inform any
of his friends lapin the subject, and his sense of honour
would be sufficient to prevent him alluding to it, or he
must gather it from rumour and then there was even lose
justification for its being mentioned. But the noble earl
was the List person to talk about such rumours, for when
he (Earl Granville) was young in political life he recollected
the prevalence of a rumour amongst the clubs that under
Lord Melbourne the noble earl objected violently
to all the measures proposed in the cabinet,
and that Lurd Melbourne requested him at last
to set down in writing his objection. The noble
earl, it was said, declined to do so, and therefore Lord
Melbourne rubbed his hands and said, "Now you have no
one to object to but yourself you cannot get on."
(laughter) Regarding the policy of the measure under
discussion, he thought they had had a sufficient lemon that
prophecies were not safe thinp to iniinlge in. He believed
the present scheme was a prudent and wall-oceriA ered one ;
that it was wise in principle, and likely to lend to the owns
happy result that all similar morals for the removal of
restrictions from commerce had emeesdad in secorepliaheg.
The bill was then mad a moored time.
Their lordships adjourned at 10 o'clock

ie a&eed to proceed to thei extent which most be
sires to the beat interests a the ..maim. From what
lama already seal, your leolelop. will infer that it to hot
Inty wish or deein• to seem need to your lenishipa to inter-
ims with the eyerebe of the discretion of the House of
themeoe oi far se relate. to the aholitiou of the toper
tidy. (Her, lie.rd I thick introit that it ran imprudent
and miprovalnit course in the face of future ditticultiey ;
hot it is a surname Aim has been iletensiiont upon twice
M secedes by 1:. other House of Parliament ; it in a
purely kismet, ',ea...., awl we are too fitiplafte it
him teen d.... 1, .1 upon by the Heim.. of Continue. upon
purely haseent enema... sod that being el 1 ehould he
eery to see your Molthips od jo ureelve. at variance with
the Hoar of (...Miming Nara a matter purely of their own
privilege.. But Wore is a qui...ties that roods Tie flue/-
lima has been mie .1 ite to the power of the House o! Lorde ;
nut. is& ml, to delete the motion et my noble fnend, awl
mv,,-i the hill, isivolving the rejection of the whole of the
✓ipples .4 the seer, not to prat .411,eler• in 014.4101 m the
vete of the Mime of Conine:be, lett to late a step which we
ernesnly have the power to take, mid which is quite ran.
mitut uonal, mouldy to divide this bill Mr two,
amt e nil the too Lille down to the Howie of Collo
sem for them te ....opt or reject. I noir say that
the course of poweeding ie one that has much to recoinalebd
Aan point .1 principle. hut in imiut .4 prudence I ye 7
moos doubt whether it is a ilesjealrir course for your loed•
amp. to take. (Cheers.) 'Dm noble earl opmente (Earl
Granville) has repeated to-night what wan. rid clowliere,
that in eendiug the hill up to %nee lent:hire' house in this
term the government were taking a ineimurs of the miotcou-
eiliatory ,baraeter, end tr, ft arttlate.l by the iiii.t rialrel-
balory intentioon toward, the: home. It is cerunelO •
=way of mu:eh: Aim:. wines this house has
refused to accept the prepositiou, einiply to send it
loch , and me. " teeept it Nowor reject it
yew, out if ynu do not swept it toy will expose the
elosery to conantenilde iiir.pnernion..e; hot we send A up in
sett • form that it i. prrtivillc impmedde for you to
Ilialtial your own judgment upon it." The noble earl
the gond intentions of her Majesty's governmeut;
when they talk of the conciliatory chanieter of the
Sepositina, I regret that I cannot cencor with them is my
dew of its nature ; and. moreover, I um very etwogly in.
eased to the unalien, that if her Majesty's government
dried se a holy that this should be • colic=
Malloafe, this wee not a view which was
by the right hon. gentleman who was supposed to he Ito
=wipe! author. (Hear, bear.) I cannot but believe
the right hoe gentleman. unfortunately 1 think for
his own reputation, allowed himself to be loitered by a
hehag of mortification at the rejection of • bill but year
la which be took great interest, and hes unhappily adopted
• mode of .hewing that feeling which is led altogether coo.
ilatetif with the right hole gentleman's high character and
high pention. (Cheer...) But the question in, if the
Loose:if Cemmone. basing sent up the bill in this town,
and if we, without placing ourselves to the slightaet degree
imascially in opposition to the House of Commous, should
Irks the alteration which we have certainly the power of
erg, we leave to the House of CoMMOOII only ,
the rejection or ulopthes of the whole. But we
have the remedy in our own haute. We can, if we
please, vindicate the privileges we parer ; and in any cre,
where the magnitude of the interest involved appears to
*lily that extreme course, I hops your lordships will not,
Lae slow in vindicating your privileges, if you think it mere
tied few the interests of the country that you should do so. BOUSZ OF COMMON& —FRIDAY, JUMI 7.
JIM in exert Odes that power upon the present oriernia, we the Malan took the chair at four o'clock.
should be following the example which we ea, earnestly de-
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
prorate, and taking a course calculated to promote a feeling
of animiiiity on the part of the HOO,O of Commons, and The following bills were read a third tune and passed:—
we should reeler marline liable to have it said, Railway ; Kinptown Improvement ; Levee aod Fiat
.. yoe trovenoobjectioe to the proposition we minks,°TV: Railways (Extension he.); and the South Wales
but you need it down in a Meaner which makes it a chat- Mineral Railway Ulla.
lenge and a dellasce to the House of Comrpous." Therefore, ROYAL COMMISSION.
while I protest, in the lint place, against the policy of the The Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod appeared si the
measure now introduced, and while I deprecate making ler, and summoned the house to hear the royal assestgives
Menet:ol of permanent revenue secured by permanent act. by commission to several bills, for the titles of which
el
parliament, at a time whey you require all the available re Lords' report.
imourew of the enentry—at • time when, as my noble THE INDIAN ARMY.
irked behind me has palsied out, the state of affairs
TAE
GAVIN asked the Secretary of State for India,
abroad is too critical to allow us to tamper with
whether tint COUlolliongta in the regiments transferred from
the e""e" °I the country, to ph" us i" Pui, the localof India to theobtainable with
tine in which we cannot at once put forwent ith army
, or crown
were
'
°ll oar resources, instead of plying °P°. tediatt7 "rß7ir C."WfluOD 'd thelfret ' i ould in the
meme to meet extraordinary occasions--1 I consider this o_
_,___ ir__, sand for the emml_ece,°_,LU
__ ,_
policy improvident sad nowise • and while I think the form 'wet P.'"" ""' av'"
of the belle. not such as the noble earl told us bar Majesty's whom di lbePririlegee they fulluerltri°Yed were re
The other general arrangeineuts of e army with respeelle
government intended it to be, tamely, of a eoneiory
thor and Masai
cummissions were under consideestion, be
eharacter to this house, I do not advise your lordships to
Imes the reepossibility either of rejecting the bill as a able to 'tit. at Weller" what they would be.
whole or seeding it down in such a form es to render AUSTRALIAN SOVEREIGNS.
see Sorf the reintroduction lied re-discussion of the whole Alderman BALOMONS asked the Chancellor of the la.
question, mad the re-introduction of those feelings on the chequer if hat ffejeeeyse government had any ',pod, fro,
part of the Have of ("firemen., which I should be the last the Master of the Rink or other official persons, on the enle
an to excite, bet which I am maost earnest to allay, jeer 0 i Inittherbe sovereigns coined at the branch Mint at
mid which miltsa sale us open to the sewPkiew ...1 :Sydney a tender throughout her Majesty's dominions ;
ine•Period with printers of the ether nook I. yield aid If so, there was any objection to produce such
Mau now in the mere to maintain to the Colallaall now remota fee um information of the house
les PIA. llwwa and I hope nay noble friend will 00100 upon The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
MamlowdeniPo to divide iiPru the .(anion Dome 11*. was a once in program on the difficult, and at the
) I earnestly hope that no proprieition will beside some time Intweeting, gammon, whether any A nakaban
MB the sub equent Meted the measure for its anisodinest, coveceign eueld with mkt, aid advantage he mode a hod
or such • :heron of it as I have otelitioned. I think loch • tender throughout her MajesWe dominions, or at all events
coarse wneldbe most unfortunate; I think it would Pies in the United Kingdom. There were Several parties
the country in a great &Scully, widths' A would expose us concerned on that correepoodence—the colony on the
lo some degree to well , merited censure. I rower with my noble one side, and this country, the Treasury, the Bank of EaL
tr iesd in many of his d.j.-ties., hut I hope, with me, while land, and the Go'honal-an un the other ; and tll
Iso very swilling to say content to the scone.) reading. mirrerpondence woe =waited. he „add Irevecymtta he
lie will at ewes conest to let the hill Pew without record. produce it as far as it had goes It must not be oneddered
deg his direst, and leave to the CkAnc,ll°, of the Erehe- as presenting any matured view of the government en tie
gem and the government the reeponsilelity. which I think subject, but it would draw the attention of the pub* to Ili,
wiry heavy, at having dealt in the mecca they have done and thus, perhaps, assist them in arriving at • cis sod skim
wilk the Iliasees of the country, eel with having made factory wood.. upon the
question.
saterilises for apparently ineiguiecaet results. and Sod
the conatry of resnurces which may be re. WAR LN AMERICA.
in an unexpected hour, and God knows bow Mr. LIDDELL asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
"ow it me, more when we may he threatened by foreign Affairs whether the morose! made by her Majesty's govern-
diggers. Mond cheers ) meet to the Culled Stites, and the so styled Codederate
Tire Doke et AROY LI. could not agree with the noble Stater of America, to interdict the armed ships and oleoduke who moved the rejection of the bill, that debates in I the pristoere of both Fortis frinia;enrry.,_ ,ing Prises mode
that hour were of little value unless they were followed by them into the ported the United mtedoola,,, . or ef illoY
by a division. He thought the feeling in the house was el her MaieetYs colonies or Pellealkwreekweerato MIS et woe
one of relief and gretificatiois that they had really come to I not at variance with tosser prickles. He wished Mask
thin chow of this were:rem with regemi to the plow duty, a further queitiot via. whether it was true that the ge.'
and that ie the speech of the noble earl they kadibeard the : remnant of the laird Stars had agreed to set towards
Ind's/rents of a party contest, the strongest that had hap. 1 the Ail* of this emintr7 tft the principle laid down In the
sod in parliament of recent years. Her Majesty s declaration of Pane e
goommiteet. hoeing " estimated cantle. of 2,001,00 k I
, Lord J. RUSSELL With regard to the hitter part of
proposed to divide It between the reduction of the income the boo. member's quokka, that solifsel will presely come
tax and the removal of en excise duty ; bat in this they had ' before the house on the notice white as hex Meter has
beak met with violent awl, he must say, fanatical appal- placed to the piper. With respect to the other gaeeti, I
ties. He confessed that he was surprised that oppointiore have to Week him diet we have bad se treat the
wee made to the stolition of the paper duty, which was the , Hailed liaise as to bringing prism LM the pork el the
he of a family of Masa, all the others of which had bees Me Umils4=lassu and of her MMajesty's6ol6lllls sod posy.pealed, rot loth* ailmoitageofhe t eosn% i Sorely if pressal i Wes aWhat we here dos is be give orders to the
motives were attributed to any minister the accurtion should 1 mataaaa..almthoriffiee of the Puns In the I:aitod Rtariella, sod to her
be made in the housed which the accused minister +raster- and other authorities in the colonies, to
ler ; and surely, also, if it were thought that an insult were graga..Clerfa Ls of ships of war or privateer. bringing
Loaded to the HMSO of Lords the Lords should have I `pears these ports. On the queries' of urge it la very
hoods defenders in the conservative party in the Howse et diffilult to say what has been the usage of Great Britain,
Commons. (Hear, bear.) And yet, when os • retest of i because there has hardly bees an instance in which • can-
cel& a member of that party proposed a method of saving aide/able maritime war bee been carried as in which prier
the House of Lord* from insult, the rush of the whole pn'ty I have been made in which this country has been neutral ;but
ham the hose was so tremendous that the door was according to the opinion el the Queens Advocate, supported
blocked up for several minutes. (Laughter.) The paper by the general authority of the law of nations, every power
duty was the last of thole protective duties which had ! has a t*t
.to interdict the estrum of prism into their
lees removed sucersively by Mr. Muskegon, by Sir Robert I Perk ~her lake, by inseiedmer at privateers.
reel, and now by Mr Gladstone. Without these taxes they RECALL OF NIL DUNLOP PROM PESTH.
W bat year sixty.nine millions of revenue. Surely this I er_. mme„,..,._„_, ~,_
woe a great and triumphant result, and in spite of the i '""' w°""w` ""°°"'" Serrelier,4 &ale fa Foreign
Affairs whether It was the case that the Austrian govern.
Mono adjurations of the orlon earl he could only say, that
all the ability and all the eloquence the noble earl had meet bad &wooded the withdrawal of Mr. Graham Dunlop
- horn Pork, and whether he had been, in consequence, re-
ef/owe, wasoely another proof that eloquence sod ability
called to Vienna ;oleo, whether his conduct while at Pesth
mold be wasted in resisting the moat solutary reform, and
in defending a bed, hut which he rejoiced to think woe in ' h" dive.", °mu"' of diewillefeellui to her Majesty's
thin ease a hieing case 0 'hews.) i government, or any just cause of complaint to that of
I Allatria.
Earl GREY commatolated their lordship; main the con• ; Lord J. RUSSELL—The 2sition of Mr. Dunlop WY IlhairairisdointecritoLy.whiewbhtichie, INielygaiLde tOpurithuedrobispri,eyt.ry and . thlt...,..of..setacbo beunati.Vbieottfna. me was sent by my desire, and
the subject of the paper duty. He took it as admitting r`""'" our Ambassador at Vienna, to Pesth.
It was mgmarkedwenon after by the Austrian government
that their lordship. heel the right to exercise a control
ever the finances of the country. At the same time he tliat, being attached to her Majesty's mission, his presence
readily agreed with the Esti of Derby that the there might seem to give some countenance to the died-
right should le enforced with judgment sad ilia- ferlad °arty is Hungary. My answer was that if at any
aaation,
and
that.
oat., in
extreme
ea., the. time tbe Austere, government wished him to be withdrawn
aught not to toterfere with the financial anningel- be should. b° withdraw° inned—b"l,* They did express
meets that bed received the election of the House of Com- that desire, but I must say that it was not founded on 'any
Woad, He thundered that the budget was an eminently put of the conduct of Mr. Dunlop, On the cookery, the
Austrian government found no fault with dm, and her
speculative one, and that the present was Dot a favorable
moment for 'rich • policy. In conclusion, the noble earl Majesty's government bad every reason to be writhed with
caked upon the government to eider upon a new career of
maintaining the eth;Larl. be bad Übe'.
DUNCOMBE asked if the noble lord would lay on
rdicious retweehment, rind, whilst l&
eieecy of the national defences, to oaeveaee a wise and indi• the table the despatch of Count Rehberg ex • that
isms eroenme. . desire for Mr. Dunlop's withdrawal from Pea h.
Lord Mi)NTEAOLE said the budget wee ^Pen to an the I Lord J. RUSSELL said there was no despatch. The
objections which had been urged against its I redeemer last d'adre___,_wla =Pressed in conversation, and no formal demand
year. With regent to the from of the hill, he observed that ; was uww.'
the combination of the repeal of the paper duty with the 1 CAVALRY BARRACKS AT MAIDSTONE.
ether financial peoposels of the government in one act was In reply to Mr. Burrox,
L et:inneoessery, an it way evident from the tone of the . Ni. T. 0. BARING said them was no present intention
that night, that even if the paper duty had oasis te make my change with respect to the cavalry tarmacs at
up in a separate bill their lordships would not hare Op- . Maidetone.
posed it. i PROTESTANTS IN SPAIN.
The Duke of RUTLAND intimated that it was not his li Lard J. RUSSELL—Perhaps the house will allow me to
intention to area. the amendment. , make a staltimest which affects me personally. I wish to
Fort GRANVILLE was glad the noble duke had weeded explain whirler lies ray colder with regard to the de-
to the appeal mule from both sides of the bone, anti had bate which took Owe is this hour, and at the one time
withdrawn his nutsmitnent. The embarraesment
whichw he to make answer to • charge which was brought against me.
(Earl Granville) felt in addressing the house upon ~tiqgi It appear Oa the litilt May there was a question in this
of such importanee wm iocreued by the fear of offending hour se tom
ma! Brackenbury, at Cello The t
the critical ear of the noble earl opposite. The cede day my aside friend (Lord Paltnerstoo) called my Weak&
earl on the present OCCRAIOII complairied that he used to the subject, and immediately f seet the
the pronunciation " wroo." where he eliould has used •.xansiaed : be www. days
aeta
aaaaaatrilyParizoytood bei.
" wrap." (A laugh.) But this was only a peculiarity ter, um the dratie and basin!, them properly looked over
14sial,ftntoupnron'Lltoinupo.e:wicertah'in ameriloubte‘tfull heriaonrilighint.tasheanwaEny whichi'sh
ta,comulaPP"Brac"dkeelearyOn :1-41" 211iForeMigr offii 7e,mtklaythil. —letter
Sir.lQ
......d
h..it
u.,
himself.
(unghtet.) Harem how's, he ; With refenroce to your correspondence with Sir Aed
w
would coesent go use ~ ~,,,t,“ ;eased of .. wyme be . Bechema nepecting protestant worship at Xeees, I have
Tiod know upon what grime& the capital of the &Wart I tis rate Simi that the refusal of Mr. Gordon to 4ew
county wa. .0 " Darby" instead if Derby. (Le ear.) ; Want 'orrice to be performed in his house on the
letter ad
Ifs fah very well satisfied with the therm the dare bed l that he sold not, ea a Roman catholic conscientious ly
takes sad it was ratisfeetory to know that ups the abort 'do to. sells it desirable that his Zak* ea British
.
debate
0.
14.4
taken ra.c.,
tba
maameasurewould wee, with Vies• Consul should be traueferreil to mine other mg
the orient of their loniships' house. They bad heard now sea. Her Majesty's government are perfectly aware Yam,
all that coutil be acid modest the present budget. The asMr.Gordoii Im iesetsob,nent .t.. which
hto a kriti.r,
uM purbeihinalaueos
out
is 11ia
pests upon which the noble duke chiefly relied in opposing there i. no act o,
the surplus were the absence of a surplus, the superior have a right to claim the nee of a ensure hems for the
oce of DMine worship • but 1. ie elariervimb a
sad thethetea
mode sugar
iin.
whack
bilisutestbi:
bitube
b.deoperb.bdoitoyirofor.
Span, where where the kw' are ouch ' that lEri—tistvi"useliletbatte are
perms' ion to warship aocortheg to the
E s her Majesty's govern.
demi into the house. With regard to the sendss, the unable to obtain r____
0.
eel& mil operate mid that the expenditure, in making tenets of the vast majority . r aglishrnen, in my other
111. cakalatinos. ehould always hec"gu-i'vrour
Placed at the highest, send place that' the_
the rase at the lowest, by the Clianeellor of the Exchw meet are bound to re the °pp:automat to Consular
Rom The weed " beset," which the sot& earl omen of persons
to their
who am not impelled by eonacr us utio
made (request um d is hie speech, could hardly esuPlee to "tuft monterma facilities to pro-

testae( worship in their consular resklenoes. I have, there-
fore to iestract you to recommend, as a suocesoor to Mr.
Clanton, someother British r..,ideot at Xeres, who would not
object to the perfurnta see protestant service in hishoure."
(Cheers.) l'he house will now be able to judge whether I
have neglected my duty. (cheers.)
Sir PEEL---The home will perhaps allow me to men-
tion that the date of this despatch is :Mth May. The des-
cussioe took place on the 18th May ; and I said last night
that I reed a letter dated 27th slay, and that up to that
period Consul Brockenbary had received Do order, either
directly or indirectly, from her Majesty's government, or
the British minister at Madrid; and it only takes, as I know,
five Java for ‘onimunication between Clan and London.
I submit to the house whether there was not time to have
cornmunicetel earlier than the 26th of May. ((hies of '' oh,
ob," and "order.")

"Oh, oh," hisses, and groans, which were repeated at short
Miami* till the close of the 100. g,ntlernan's remarks.)
fiir R. PEEL—I would • make a suggestion. (Confusion,
' in which the hon. baronet resumed his seat, without mil-
-1 tiuuing his interruption.)
The OTONOtiEIUE (restiming)—Don't let the house
misunderstand me. (06, oh.) lan tar from expressing
any exultation in the termination of Count Csvour'a career.
(Oh, oh.) On the contrary, I regret us much as any gentle-
mau this house can regret, the death of Count Cavour ;
but I regret it for very different reasons. (Oh, oh.)
Mr. MILNES—I think the hon. gentleman has entirely
! mimapprehended the suggestion of my hon. friend the mew-
her for Tainworth. It was not his desire that this house
should begin to dispute over the dead body of a great man.
(Cheers.) lie desired, I believe, as moat members of this
house desire, without reference to ally particular form of
opinion, to pay the homage of the constitutional government
of this country to a statesman who has founded constitu-
tional liberty in his own land, and who iu addition to that
! glorious achievement has brod4lit about a great national
unity, and made that a fact which for so many years had
been the dream of the best men in Europe. (Cheers.)
I I feel so deeply tae disappearance of this foremost man in
Europe that I am conscious that words are utterly inade-
quate to express the solemnity of an occasion when we are
not al!le41 upon to discuss the character of an individual but
to express as strongly and as simply as we can our sense
of the mighty loss which Europe has sustained in the dis-
appearance of so great a mind —a mind which could no'.
only grasp the destinies of Maly, but comprehend wba.
would coutribute to the peace of the world, by a combina-
tion of profound policy, moral courage, and intellectual
power, such as existed in no one other sta..esman in Europe.
dy lion. friend has alluded, with that modesty which be-
comes him as the WC of 160 great a 11.11•11 to the fact, that
the National Assembly of France entered upon its formal
records as expression of the sympathy which Fiance and
Europe felt for the death of Sir Robert Peel. (Hear, bear.)
Perhaps it is not in accordance with our usages, not being so
much enthin the influence of continental struggles, to adopt
such a formal course ; but I believe it will be thought right
on both idea of the house to express our sympathy and our
regret. Perhaps it is all the better that no political
feeling should be mixed up in the matter ; and I should not
have said one word, if the hon. gentleman opposite
had not taken upon himself the function of interpreting the
ways of Providence—(loud cheers)—in a manner which I am
sure, in his better mind, lie will feel that he would not have
done had he not been led away by his religious enthusiasm.
(Hear, hear.) It was hardly for him, neither is it for me,
nor for any other mortal man, in the exercise of his
miserable and feeble judgment—(hear, hear)—tosay whether
the disappearance of Count Cavort from the scene will
really tend to the acootwilakinient of even the object which
the hon, gentlemen wishes to promote, or whether the
confusion and difficulty to which the church with which he
is connected has In later times been subjected may not be in-
finitely increased by the removal of so great a leading mind.
It never should be left out of consideration that he always
nepeetted the rights of the catholic church, that he lived
and died a member of that church, and that he has passed
from this scene not more with the character of a great
foreign statesman than of one who had rendered the mated
services to his own conniry. It is not for me to proacance
a panegyric upon Count Cavort; the pitman° of Count
Cavorts is the nympathy of the civilised world—(chers)—
and the sympathy with Count Cr roar is referable to not
orgy, I believe, the sense we have of the lase we
have unstained, but to the fear which I believe
will agitate the mind of every faraighted statesmen
at the difficulties which may now come upon those great
questions, which will now have to be discussed, without the
aid of his great mind—of his powerful spirits—to lead them
on to the glorious end he bad in view. (Oheors.)

Viscount PALMEBSTON—I cannot refrain from adding
a few words to what has been said by those who have pre-
ceded me in this discussion. And I must fairly own that
there was no person more fitting to introduce this subject
to tho house than the son of that eminent statesman whose
memory was the subject of • still ino-e formal tribute of ad-
miration by the legislature of a neighbouring country—that of
France. My boo. friend has suggested that some proceeding
of the same kind should h adopted on our port on the pre-
sent occasion. But with all submission, I would remind
him that each country is guided by its own habits ; that that
which may be congenial to the customs of s country on the
Continent, may not be in accordance with our own • sad I
believe there is no each proceeding as that suggested cm
record in the case of any of the most eminent statesmen of
our own land, whose departure from amidst his contempo-
raries may have been most the subject of regret. I therefore
think the house will content itself with thee:prelusion of sym-
pathy with the feelings put forward by the bon. member
for Tamworth, which have been already expressed in the
course of this discussion. (Heir, bear.) lam not about to
follow the hon. member on the other aide, who has imported
into the discussion matters which are not connected with it ;
but I feel that I should be wanting to my own sentiment'
if I refrained from coneurrhig with those who bays ex-
premed the deep regret they feel at the Ices of this dis-
tinguished man ; a loss not only to his own country, who
will deeply deplore him, bet to the whole of amps-
tad whose memory will live embalmed ie the
grateful recollection of his countrymen, and in the
admiration of mankind, so twig as history records his
deeds. Wien I speak of what he has done-4t ought to be
borne in mind that those brilliant acts of his admieisMa. Mon
which hays most attracted the notice of the world, via, the
political extension of unity throughout Italy, are perhaps
not those for which his countrymen will most revere his
memory. It ahould be remembered that be laid the
foundetioes of improvement., constitutional, legal,
mid social, in all the internal affairs of the
Italian people, which will long survixe him, and
ender toestnnable benefit% both on those who live,
sad ea those who will oome hereafter. I was going to say—
"He left a name
To point a moral and adorn a leis,"

The moral to be drawn from the life of Count Cavour is
this, that a ma of transmodent talents, of indomitable
energy, of inextinguishable patriotism, by the impulses
which his own single mind may give to his countrymen, aid-
ing a righteous cause— for so I shall call it. in spite of what
may be said—(cheers)—and seizing favourable oppor-
tunities, may, notwithstanding difficulties which at first
sight seem murniountable, center upon has country the
greatest and most inestimable benefits. That is
the moral to be drawn from the life of Count Cavour. The
tale with which his memory will be associated la one of the
most extraordinary—l may my one of the most romantic—
reawded in the annals of the world. We have seen, under
his impulse and guidance, a people, who were summit to
be torpid in the enjoyment of luxury—enervated by the
musette of pleasure—having no knowledge or feeling of
politica except what may have been derived from the tra-
ditions of their history, from the jealousies of rival
states—we have seen that people, at his call,
and under his guidance, Thrice from the slumber
of ages, with the power of a giant refreshed, breaking that
spell by which they had been so long bound, end displaying
upon • great occasion the courage of heroes, the sepaty of
statesmen, and the wisdom of philosophers; and attaining
for themselves • unity of political existence which had been
for centuries denied to them. (Prolonged chem.) Sir, I
say that thin is a great event in history, and that the man
whose name will go down to posterity connected with this
genes of events, whatever may be the period of his death,
however premetnre for the hopes of his countrymen, cannot
be said to have died too soon for his glory and for his fame.
(Prolonged cheering.)
The house then went into committee of supply.
On the vote of 133,2761. for the volunteer service,
Lord ELCHO rose, pursuant to notice, to call attention
to the wants of the volunteer fetes. He said he regretted
he bad not been able to do this before, inasmuch as much
asisenderstandiug seemed to prevail io the views of those
who wished this subject to be brought before the house.
In the early days of thevolunteer movement there was no
denying that it bad to encounter no small degree
of unpopularity. The Prime Minister, in his
usual jocular way, talked of " the rifle fever :" but a great
change had come over public feeling. In order to
become • popular character • man ought to
be a volunteer ; the health of the volunteers
was always, at public dinners, associated with that
of the " Army and Navy," and he hoped the voluoteen
would prove worthy of tbe honour. The Prime Minister
was himself • member of a volunteer corps, and they all
knew that he could not go through the forms of an election
without being attended by a patty of volunteers. (laugh-
ter.) The movement, therefore, did not suffer from any
want of popularity. It had material waste ; sod if them
waste were not met in the spirit in which they hoped they
would be met, it was unquestionable that the volunteer
force would be greatly diminished. He had endeavoured
to ascertain the number of the volunteer force, with the
sasietauce of Colonel Mllurdo, and he believed it to be as
follows :—Cavalry and mounted rifles, 662; artillery, 20,960;
engineers, 1.482 ; rifles, 125,561 ; making &total of 147,965.
(Cheers.) Since these Mores were prepared, the aumben
hail been probably increased by some 2,000, so that the forte
might be now set down at 150.000 men. This was • 'ter/ large
force to be raised by voluntary enlistment. The committee
must also see that the outlay was very considerable, not only
for uniforms, but also for drill sergeants, ranges,
targets, ammunition, anemias, armourers, prising, sta-
tionery, travelling expenses, and last—though perhaps this
item might be received with a sneer—for bends—Oar,
hear)—tor it was very dull work drilling without a band
occasionally. He should toughie the expenses to harshest'
at least 101. a man, or 1,600,000/. sterling. It was the
opinion of the best judges that moles■ some farther assist.
once was afforded by the government, a large proportion of
this force must ultimately be lost to the country. He could
not understand how it could be supposed that government
interference could destroy what was called the
"independence" of title eorps. What was meant
by the independence of the volunteers? If it meant that
• commanding officer was to be permitted, on his own
responsibility, and without the consentof the Horse Guards,
to assemble some 10,000 or 20,000 men under arms is any
part of the couptry. the sooner the movement came to as
end the better. (Hear, hear.) But he hoped the volunteer
movement would always continue, as it had began to be,
under the immediate direction of the Waralliee. The Duke
of Cambridge had done all in his power to favour the move-
ment. He was the °Meal of • rifle regiment ; he was
president of the Rifle Association ; he always gave them
good advice, and be was anxious to meociate them
in some degree with the line. The assistance which
the government afforded to the volunteers at
preempt was ermined to the following beads. They pro-
vidsa then adjutants, impeders. • staff, and ammunition.
Whet they further required IMO drill sergeants, practice
ranges, and some masse of preserving the arms which bad
bees plena la their heads At a wet* of the oaken

commanding corps in the neighbourhood of London on the
28th of February last, certain resolutions bad been passed,
which be (Lord Etch.) had caused to be circulated through
the country, and the invariable reply from the
local corps was that without some such assistance the move-
ment must inevitably suffer greatly in number and extent.
The following might be taken as the expenses of various
corps, taken indiscriminately. The Brecknock corps, of
347 men, 2441. ; the Ist Sutfolk, 569 men, 516/. ; the 2nd
E,,sex, 1,100 men, 850/. ; the lot Cumberland, 900 men,
WO/. ; the let Gloucestershire, 800 men, 383/. ; the god
Hants, 400 men, 2551., tr. His own cora, numbering
between iioo acid 700 men, cost 3151. He nor came to the
Inns of Court corps. (A cheer from Mr. Melina.) He re-
cognised the cheer of, lie hoped, an efficient member of the
corps. (" Hear, hear," and • laugh.) That corps, he
believed, numbered between 400 and too men. If not so
many, perhaps his learned and gallant friend would correct
him. Their expenses amounted to 303/. • but this corps
had pud for their range, or rather their proportion
of range, 1,400/., and yet they bad the advantage of,
as it were, living in barracks at Liocolterinn, the Temple,
and Gray's-inn. They hung up their rifles with their
gowns and wigs, and whenever they had a spare moment
they took their rifle off its peg, whether with or without
' the wig he dial not know, because be never saw them drill,
and hurried down to the green in front of their court, and
had a good hoer's drill. He thought it • peculiar advantage
that London should possess so efficient a corps, composed as
it was of men of great intelligence and ability. (Hear,
hear.) Then, take the Orkney corps, for Orkney bad its
corps. The let Orkney was 56 strong, and the expenses
were 471. The general result showed that under this sys-
tem the expenses amounted to something like Pk. or 15e.
per man. The deputation which met at the Thatched
House Tavern mentioned the 11. as simply an
index to the maximum cost, the additional te.
per man being proposed to meet travelling ex-
penses. lie felt convinced that they could have no efficient
battalions unites detached companies could be brought toge-
ther. But it was never contemplated to ask for I/. per man
to be spent in soy way. Assistance was required for certain
purposes either in kind or in money. His impression was
that it should be given in kind by the offer of efficient drill
sergeants. (Hear, hear.) Everything of an eleemosinary
kind had been avoided in these volunteer corps. (Hear,
hear.) The vole to be proposed by the government would
amount to 40,000 L, or dis. • man, and io addition to that
there wax 4,0001. a year for the Inspector's staff at the
Horse Guards. The question was, were the volunteers worth
20a. or 255. per man (Hear, bear.) It was neither the wish
nor the effect of the volunteer movement to diminish the
regular army. The volunteer force could never hope to be so
well trained Lithe regulez army, and at 14 days' notice the
whole of that force might be dispersed. But, he said this,
if a regular soldier cost SN. 9s. • year or with other items
831. a year, was a volunteer dear at 25a. a year. He would
not dwell upon the efficiency of the volunteer force, but the
country, he thought, had been struck with surprise at the
reviews which took place in Hyde-park, EdinburP, Knows.
ley arid other places wherever the volunteers had shown
themselves. (Hear, hear.) It was said the opinion of the
coatiren. was the opinion of history. The French attaché
in London last year saw the City of London brigade, com-
mended by Colonel Hicks, inspected before the Horse-
Guards, anti exclaimed to • friend of his (Lord Elcho's), " I
came here expeg=tmoses •• rational guard, I see soldier."
(Hear, hear.) of the Inns of Court corps, Colonel
assured h that' last year when be in-
spected them in Mohamed-park they were the
beet regiment he had ever seen, and were,
perhaps, only equalled by the 60th Rifles
when they went to Sciede under Lord Melville. It was •
great comfort and satisfaction to London to have so intelli-
gent • clam of men forming a corps for its protection. He
believed that if they were called into the field they would
prove to be as dangerous to their enemies as they were to
' their cheats. (Laughter.) He bad no doubt they would
render quite as good an account. (Hear, hear.) The social
bearing of this movement could not be overrated. The op-
poi-tunnies for social intercourse between classes in this
country were few and far between, and the antidote for
such estrangement was to be found in the volunteer move-
meet, which brought dames together in patriotic brother-
hood. (Hear, hear.) Looking at the political bearing of
the question, t was well known that before the vobasteste
movement was started our fleet was little, if at
all, superior in armament and appointments to
that of France. Bat we had also an entrained
population liable to periodical panicle of marine
snooty beaten it was untrained. (Hear, bear.)
With natioaraa with individuals, to be prepared for eggsr
doe was not to court orto fear it. England at the commove
rout of the outer buried back the tido of Pesach aggres-
sion which had stalked over the rest of Drops. But the
last Crimean war had not added to our prestige, bemuse it
wax felt that our military oeganisstra was deferive. The
volunteer movement had been hailed as a means of putting
the country in that position of strength which it ought to
occupy. There had been some controversy as to who had
been the originator of the volunteer movement. At a din-
ner the other day • member of the ors., in !ramie/
thanks, declared that 27 of his personal friends claimed to
be the originators and authors of the movement.
For his own part he (Lord Fiche) believed it was the
Nestor of parliament—the trumpet-tongued Lard Lynd-
hurst—who had first aroused the country to • due sense of.
its position. (Hear, hear.) The words of the noble and
learned lord ought to be written over the doors of paths-
meat as they were alreedy engraved on the heart d'ever
'elusion. (Hear, hear. But this was not • new move-
ment. It was • revival of the demonstration of 1803.
Previously tones revival England was in danger of losing
her moral influence in the councils of Europe, which she
was now repining. A French writer bad recently observed
that the whole of the Brisini nation wee now in ems.
Were not the noble lords, the Prime Minister and the'
Foreign Secretary, now in a pentium to speak
and to write as such ministers should r
the representatives of • great nation (Hear, her.) He
ventured to say that the moral force of England bad does
more to as te the liberties of Italy than all the active
interferer al France. (Hear, hear.) If they wished to
continue to eoesolidate those liberties and to maintain the
Free& alliance, they most be in • position to' check the
farther extension of the frontier of France—they must be
in • position to toske England inviolate against any attack.
(Hear, hear.) But let not the committee imagine that in
supporting • volunteer forte they would be encouraging
as aggressive spirit in this country. He believed the con-
trary to be the ease—(hear, hear)—for ea when • man was
cot conscious of his strength or of the justice of his cause,
he was touchy and quarrelsome, so when strong he could
afford to treat with contempt or pass unheeded by, matters
which he would otherwise feel it necessary to take notice
of. (Hear, hear.) The volunteer force would strengthen
diplomacy • became, feeling themselves strong, diploma-
tists could 'afford, when necessary, to make concessions. He
trusted the government would take a favourable view of
the suggestions which had fallen from him, and would not
allow those who were slaving sod working in the volunteer
movement to bear the whole burden of the expense, be-
cause they emild not rely upon honorary member' sub-
acriptioes being retinue& He hoped the government
would be prepared to support and maintain this peat
force, which, as had been well said, had been laid at therein
of the Sovereign is the best present which could be made
to her. (Hear, her.) He hit onefident of this, that if
by not giving a little timely assistance and by pursuing •
short-sighted economy, they allowed this force to be starved
out of existence, • heavy responsibility would rest on the
government and the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.)
In the debate which followed,
Mr. H. BERKELEY made • humorous onslaught upon
the Yeomanry Cavalry guarding himself, however, against
imputingtheir alleged 'defects to any other cause than want
of discipline. He moved to reduce this part of the vote
from 91,0001. to 32,0001.
Sir W. MILKS, as oommander of a yeomanry corps,
entered into financial details in reply to Mr. Berkeley.
After • lose discussion, in which the subjects of the two
forms, the Volunteer Rifles and the Yeomanry Cavalry,
were blended together, and the forces were onasimilly
compared,
Mr. T. G. BARING, complimenting Lord Elcbo for the
ability and moderation of his speech, said the government
did not dispute the value of the volunteer force, and bad
testified their sense of its value, the expenditure incurred
on account of the force, including the 42,000/. in the ani-
mates, was 160,0001., and next year it would be 20,0001.
more, which the government thought by no means
too much, but, on the contrary, that a further ex-
penditure would not be improper. The real ques-
tion was how far the present payment was sufficient.
Whatever further assistance was rendered, there were
strong reasons why it should be in kind. The moment a
moue y allowance was given at so much • head, not only
the feeling and independence of the volunteers might be
affected, but it would lead to an inference on the part of
foreign nations that the movement was not altogether the
offspring of public spirit. The government therefore were
of opinion that it was not expedient to hold out any
expectation of • money allowance. Something might he
done, however, towards drill instruction, and assistance
might be given in providing drill sergeant'. The
government had taken that matter into considers-
ton, and were prepared, if passible in the present year, to
do something in that shape. As to the amendment of Mr.
Berkeley, he need add nothing to what had been said in
opposition to it, the government considering the Yeomanry
as a very valuable force.
Mr. BERKELEY having withdrawn his amendment, the
vote, of 133,2761., for Volunteer Corps in Great Britain
was agreed to.
_

Other votes were passed after much discussion, when the
Chairman wu ordered to report progress.
The Excise and Stamps Bill was re•oommitted, and re-
cei►ed further amendments in its details, after a good deal
of debate.

The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up
and agreed to.
The Lace Notaries Bill, the Naval Medical Supplemental
Fund Society Bill, and the Transfer of Stocks and Annui-
ties Bill wereyead a second time.

The remaining business harms been disposed of, the house
adjourned at twenty minutes to 2 o'clock till Monday.

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