The Express.
London, England, 1857-03-14 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARC!! 14, 1857.

dry her compelled her Majesty's government to withhold
bat Lion with respect to tics Persian war, which parlia-
ment nal the canary had a 1-6 to expect. Nothing but a
muse of duty prevented our le the parrs relating to that
subject bdore parliament. my noble friend it not
correct when be says that no inhumation has been given with
regard to the OINIMIS of the war. I felt it to he so cerium
am to lose any time in giving,information on that subject to
parliament, that as the first nght of the session, in replying
to the speech of my noble friend opposite, I alluded to the
quarrel between the Persian goveminent and Mr. Murray,
which I stated bad been set made, and woe not one of the
muss of the war. I laid that, although Mr. Murrsy had
been compelled to leave Teheran, and that some
Moony. Memo bed been caused by the suapension of diplomatic
rehtiune, yet that we did not meatier that matter as a came
for war with Nal& We knew that the conduct of Perla
war one of the consequenots of the war with Heals, and we
knew that, as soon as it was fatly understood in Persia that
Re. 11,13 had made mein, we Amid seen coma to a more
✓amie try condiden of thing.. It woe only when Perna
showed a diapositiou to attack and take powession of
Herat, that we, although we had no diplamatic relations
with the Court of Teheran, made a direct communication to
the Persian government, and inked that government
to derist in carrying out their intentions with regard
to Herat; and that there might be no doubt
as to the intentions of her Majesty's government, I read to
your lordships a letter addressed by an to the Persian govern-
ment, and their reply. It cannot therefore be mid that your
leedships were entirely ignorant of the muses of the war, for
if the whole of the papers had been laid on the table of the
house they could nut have more distinctly stated the cameo of
the war. the wrong derby the Persian government, and the
course which it was incumbut on tam pumas, in case they
did not listen to our issiondrancen • Wee wee addressed
to me by the Persian minister, avoiding the subject of Ilemt,
in which it wee said that an ambroadur was going on • eties-
plinientary whir to Pub, and that be would be instructed
to enter into communication with us. We accordingly gave
inatruetione to Lord Cowley to enter into communication
with Ferukla Khan and to ascertain what his instnactions
were. I should my that the negotiation, which were fret
begun at Constantinople were not broken MT by us. We com-
municated to the Perlea =Mender the terms on which we
was prepared to negotiate, and be inked if ire would wait till
le hail comnaunkred with kis own cowl, sad whether we
meld suspend bostilitles Erin thereupon of the Ingot*.
tiro. It waa inrpoesibis then to suspend hostilities, and
Hint fell; end the Pinks embroider then said, that the
lona tad tome to ea end, owl that he most go on
to Ysis. Our sonhassador at did net at once enter
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Lord Cowley, and stated that he had full power to negotiate.
As we had no dodo to continuo hostilities with Penis, Lord
Cowley wee asked to tides to the prepaid" of Forukh
KUL and whin ths negotiations had begun in that way,
we thought weld be mischisvous to lay before parliament
wadi lead to dim...ions, which would, with-
Ma7atibt, pt an end to the negotiations. When my node
friend laid that he dims seta know whether the Persian am-
basmdor bad tell powers to negotiate or not, he forgot the
=ewer 1 gni I, a weed* of his the otber irdeM, whoa 1
said that bibs, we salmi into sagededens we had =-
deed late the maberwsdat's powera, and band thew
=pie to seabis idea to enter Into a treaty of
MR treaty was teeeleded a* days ago, and It weld not
be to lay It bony your lordships before it Is ratified ;
has I ban me itiathd= in informing your lordship. exactly
what its terms am. (Hear, hear) By the terms of the
bury, the Pendia troops and authonties arc all to be with-
own ham Hord and Afghanistan within three months
der the exehoss at ratifications of the treaty. The Shah
et Persia tsilgaYkes all claim on Herat, or any territory in
Alltheinisthe, and mimes to abstain from aU interference in
theneirs of Afghanistan ; he recognives the independence
of Afghanistan and at Herat, and stroke, that in the event
of any dignities arising between Penis and Afghan-
istan, the Punka government will resort to the good
offices of England ; end England on her part engages to use
her btvt efforts to bring those differences to a adistactory set-
tlement. Although It may at times he necessary for Persia
to repel Jammu.= from Afghanistan, yet she engages not to
enter into hhosstilliities with that country for any other object,
sadL. soon as satisfaction is obtained in such a mac, she is
to withdraw bee troops. With regard to our monomial
treaties with Persia, which were not in a ratidaetory
state, it le now stipulated that in all commercial relations
England shall be placed by Pettis on the fuot-
thg of the nowt favoured nations. It is also @U-
pdated that tie. Bunny shall return to Teheran,
and that he shill he received with certain ceremonial doer-
WU:WI. There is another provision en the treaty which will
ro far to put an end to one of tho most fertile source. of dif-
fertnce, not dime with Peng& but in the East 'generally, and
that is the protection of the subjects of Persia, employed by
England =thither foreign powers. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of DERBY was understood to make some allu-
sion to the case of Itooheem._ _ .

The Earl of CLARENDON-1 meet once more deny that
limbo m was • l'ersian subject. (A laugh.) This system
has been a constant subject of quarrel in Persia and the
Pest, and I took the liberty, when the subject of the
tresty between Turkey and Russia was before the! Cong.:um
at Paris, of bringing that question before the representatives
of the different powers, by whom it was well received, and
they all undertook to promote a review of the present system
of native protected subjects. We have engaged no longer to
protect any subject of the Shah, except those actually in the
service of the missions and consuls; of course, on condition
that all other power. agree to adopt the same course. In
eerry respect Ragland is to be placed in the Mao position
in Persia as the most favoured nations, and I have no doubt
that Franoe and Rued* will agree to a similar stipulatiqp
on this subject, which will do more than an
to prevent differences between Persia and
t powers. With regard to the slave trade
in Persian Gulf, there is a treaty which will
aspire is 1862, but Persia has engaged to prolong it foe ten
years more after the expiration of the time at which it was
originally flied. It is stipulated that hostilities shall came
on the ratification of the treaty, and that our troops shall be
withdrawn from Persia, and the Peden troops ate to be
withdrawn bore Heed. Finkle Khan has sent letters to the
auth..nties at the seat of war, proposing that an armistice
• entered into. and we have sent similar instructions to
our e remanding officers. Ido not think that I have omitted
to state anything of importance which io provided for
by the treaty, and I think your lordehips will
tjeree that by Ma treaty we have obtained everything which
is of 414,01:111111111 to us to have obtained. (Hoar, hear.) We
h Mini SS engagement for the withdrawal of the Fer-
ran nap bon Afghanietan ; we have secured the inde-
pendents elf Lest and Afghanistan ; era ham made stipu-
lation@ le reesset future quarrels between Persia, and Herat,
and Allffilinielem as far as it is poedble, and we have ob-
tained their eslablieleuent as neutral territory. There is
nod,* In ffie treaty derogatory to the honour of Penis, and
if it le cenisd est in its spirit, it will lend to setiketory rela-
tions helve= Persia and this country.
The lest at NALMESBUItY was vadersissil le bemire
' if there was any stipulation fur the ataidliment of coaling
stations tar Beglidt tip in the the Chit et Pon&

The Earl of CLARENDON—Not en this treaty.
The Earl of ELLENBOROVOH regretted that it was
net poseible to place the papers relating to the Pevelan war
before the hewn; but at the some time it would be unesisdid
in him if he did net at owe when that, looking to the pro-
claniation of the government of India, and as the
facto stated in that proelemenon to be correct he thought the
out of India was perfectly justified in entering into
MeiMperations against Penis; and maq that even if
there bad been no treaty like that which had bean infrieged,
it would have been, in his opinion, the bounden duty of the
government of India to revert to hostilities to prevent the
occupation of Bent by Penis ; for it was es much the inte-
nd of India to maintain Herd In the hands of an indepen-
dent purer, u it was to the intend of the western puree.
to maintain the Bosphorus in the hands of an independent
power. It wee essential that that gate of mu Indian empire
should be in the hands of theft whom we could trust. But,
at the same thee, he did not think that this had been really
a quarrel between this country and Pereia; the teal quarrel
had been not with Persia as an independent power, but with
Russia, under whose dictation Penis had acted. Not only
were the (Terence., against Herat carried on during the war
with Rune, when they were calculated to act as a diversion.
but they were carried on after the war with Russia had
teased, and he took the treaty as complemental to the treaty
of Pane, and as during that Ruda for the present adjourned
her desire. on India ; that die had reconeddreed her puition
and had found that her interest., demanded that there should
be a good ondentanding between her and England in
Europe, which could never MOW to pan no long as de was
on operations in the direction of India, which mut
be o • • 'onside to England. He founded his opinions of the
policy of Rusia towarle India on her patent octe, by her
March to /Chive, and her advance so far towards BoUara.
He concluded from all her acts that she entertained design,
on India, Fs no state could do what she had done in that
direction without having ultimate objects in view. He
could not now or at any other time diatom the pro-
bability of the ennui. of Russia in such de-
igns. It was not expedient to do so. But he
coat say that we exposed ourselves to imminent
daisies if we considered the advance of an army di-
rected by Russians to India an inipaeibility. Unites we
took awe to plate in India the ablest men at the head of the
direction of our military power; if we imagined that we
could send any man to command our armies there ; that we
could commit the command of our armies to a gentleman
who, however respectable in civil life, was not essentially a
soldier, if we did that wo inclined imminent danger, for It
was only by means of the that ability on our part that the
ability with which the Russian troops would be .fteehd test
they could be met. They heard much of the
of India. of canals and railroads, but up= it
it was not en any of these civil improvements we inlaid
find the ultimate security of that empire. It bad hem
I founded bythe sword and by the sword it most be insintelmed.
It was only by means of a well disciplined and well comma-
ded army that that aspire could be raved to us. Ines he
looted back to therrentsof the fewmanths, hobo/Wel&
dismay on our pr s act. in the East, if the sort of while&
tration which had 6khsto prevailed was to be the bads of
our policy. We had had two Wars, one with China, and one
with Perido, and both wise owing to bad appointments of the
representative of Enstlind. No one could doubt that Dr.
Bowring was the came of the war with China. He could
not say that Mr. Murray was the cause of the war with
Pars* led it was certain that he had added to oar
del with that country. H. recollected how the blimp of
snob men as Sir John Mischa sod Ile John Illiaedemeld
;aerPerija ; so keg se they IMO at Wren every
ate& well. The .nstidng Ins wanted finm bar*
he Penis hit that Bagdad w her Mal, !pi Ilk aloe
that Needs we lee sminny. Amy d *WC

be able to ►veil himself of thane natural advantages,
and obtain in Persia • due infinity:a for this
country. He did not sal that Mr. Murray woe not • man
of ability, but talent which woe adapted to England wu •
very differmt thing to that which was required to manage
Orientals. All the interest that Orientals took in Europeans
was pentad, and it was • personal Influence that men like
Msk,ulm and Macdonald exercised in Persia. Depend upon it,
if you 'abased insecure the influence of this eountry at Teheran,
it moat be mewed by &person thoroughly acquainted with
Orientals, and who had the tact to manage them. Ito would
not now go farther into the subject, but be wished to de-
clare on the fast legitimate emotion that came before the
home, his opinion that the war with Persia was just, and
that we had been contending not with Perri• but with
Ramis.
The Earl of CLARENDON could not allow the attack of

the noble earl on Mr. Murray, to past without en observation.
The noble earl said that the war had been caused by the nn-
fitnesa of Mr. Murray far his °See, and the ground.. of the
charge were, that he had no experience and no influence, and
was unfit to deal with Orientals. But it was on account of the
experience which Mr. Mussy had bed of Oriental*, and hie
moms in dealing with them, that he woe appointed. lie had
been six yews in Egypt, and had given greet satisfaction to
those t 7 whom he had been employed. He was an admirable
Amble scholar, and within a short time of his snivel at
Teheran he conducted hie conversation with the natives in
their own lesignage. He we appointed therefore on the
%pound on which the noble eail says such an official
to be selected.
Earl of ALBEMARLE foaming from the "abject of
the Pervian war wished to my a few words on the subject of
the financial condition of India. Ito expremed his disappro-
bation of the financial blundering of the late governor-gemraL
and adduced a number of calculations by wbiih be ohowed
that the deficiency of the revenue of India had increased un-
der the rule of that noble lord, and that, notwithstanding his
beset that the animations of territory he bad made had
tended to Imes it. And the stets of the credit of the
Indian sceptre we shown by the fact that the 4 and 4! per
asst. tome wee at a considerable discount.

The motto% wee then agreed to.
The home Tax Bill and the lotkenaity Dill were /10111•
nalybrought up sod read a first time.
The boom adjourned et 20 mlaota to 7.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, MARCH 13.
The Breeze& took the chair et 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
_ _

The South De4;:itaiWra; Hill warn 1 a third Limo .I,a
pan Ted.
he Portland Harbour Bill warn read a second time.
INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS BILL.
.

sir W. uliiiiebil7o;lWar of Sir S. Northeote)
moved that the order on this UU be discharged.
The order yea read and dierbargod acoorchanly.
THE FAUTIIAMPTON ELECTION.

The SPEAKEIt stated that he bad received a ktter from
the petitioners against the Muni of Mr. Weguelin for South-
ampton stating that they did not intend to proceed with the
petition.

THE LUND-HILL COLLIERY_ EXPLOSION.

of thaw fur the Hume
Department whether bs bad any information to give with re-
spect to thia catastrophe further than had appeared in the
Sir (rm. GREY was sorry that he could give no further in-
formation than the public were already in possession of re-
ties lamentable *ending. and for this resmen, that the
pt-'t been clomp under the advice of persons experienced
in three matters, as the test means of stopping the eonnagm-
Lion that was gains on in the pit. Until the pit am re-
opened, it was impoinible to get all the information that
would be eventually obtained. AU that he could du was to
take care that there was the fullest investigation into the
cause of the setident, sad for that purpose every facility had
been given.
CAPITULAR ESTATES. _ _ _

Mr. MACOEEolla;k;elthae7e-rMar)-7.0f State for the
Howe Department whether he would place the proposed Heck-
sisatieal and Capitals, &dates Dill of the government on
the table, for the purpose of being printed and circulated.
Sir 0. OBEY said the bill wait founded on the report of a
committee which eat last year. It had born referred to the
ecclesiastical commissioners to see if they had any ',natation
to nuke, and he had not received the bill buck front them.
Under these circumstances he was not in a position to

WCT the question,

with mterd to the particular point to which the hon. gentle-
inan's onervaHons had been directed, that be thought very
great inconvenience had arisen, and was likely to arise, from
the practice which prevailed in Penis, under which foreign
111181101111 were entitled by preseription to exercise a protecto-
rate over Persian subjects not employed in the service of the
mission. He thought it desirable for the permanence of
friendly relation. with the government of Persia that that
practice should be' discontinued. At the MUme thno he
quite agreed with the hon. member that it would nut be be-
coming that one country should abstain from a practice
which would be oontinued by other.. The abnegation should
be general. We should be must ready to renounce fur ever
all claim for protection of persona not absolutely employed by
the nu.eion, provided other countries, especially Russia,
should make the same COGOCSAIOII.

Mr. LAYAIU) thought the doctrine laid down by the
noble lord was a very good ono. As regarded Turkey, this
rule had been put into practice, and thiee Turkish subjeete
who formerly enjoyed British protection, and were continually
getting the country into difficulty, had had their prvtection
withdrawn. Ile was very glad to hear that a dream stop
was going to be taken with regard to Penis. We bud had
persons there connected with the royal family, and ministm;
who had pat themselves under British protection, end had
led the British embeissy into every kind of difficulty. But
there was a more serious question which he should like to
put to the noble loth, although ho was afraid he should get
no answer. He meant, whether the terms which had been
granted to us were nut offered at Constantinople, and not
only whether they were not offered there, but whether the
Persian ambassador was not willing to give no more. It mud
be remembered that these negotiations wore commenced at
Conatentinople
had
the war broke out, at lewd before news
of the war had arrived at Constantinople—before it woe
known that the Ninth expedition had reached the l'ersina
Oult ; and consequently tU war and bloodshed hal been in
vain. The chiefs of the tribes bordering on Afghenistan
bad over and over again token refuge with the English, but
now dome tribes who were our friends had been converted
into enemiee. When a person belonging to these tribe. had
been killed, the tribe never forgave it. He would not now
enter into a diecussion on the general question ; it affected
our relations with central Ada, and he thought bolero they
entered into a treaty affecting their relations with central
Asia, that home ought to have had an opportunity of ex-
pressing its opinions on the subject genmany. He thought
that the great question of policy as regarded our relations
with central Asia ought to have been discussed in that house
on general grounds before they entered on this treaty.
He would not now trouble the het/Fie further, because he
knew that other matters were under consideration, and that
wee not the time to bring about a discussion on curb a sub-
ject; but he ahould like to know if what Le had beard were
true, that these terms were offered at Constantinople before
the esprdition *ailed ?
Lord PALMERSTON was understood to reply that the
terms of the treaty which had been concloded were better
than those which we should have been likely to have got
at Constantinople. Tho negotiations at
:Constantinople were
broken off, not by the British negoMiter but by Ferukh
liken himself.

Tho On for adjournment wu then put and negatived.
CHINA.

In answer to Sir 11. WILLOVOHAY,
Mr. LABOUCNESE said the last reports represented
the northern porn of China to be in a elate of tranquillity.

. .
THE FOItTIICOMING ELECTION.
Mr. VANCE said it might be in the recollection of the
home that in 1852 a great masa of petitions were presented
against the return of members, to that house, and if the
allegations enntelned In them were true flers, would be
maven to believe that the mnatituencies were in a highly
in state as regarded bribery and corruption.
Many of them went off on technical objections, but the
generality of them met a different fate. Petitions were
paired off ens ageing another, and many of them disappeared
altogether. They improved on that prutiett in Ireland,
because it so happened there was scarcely a Angle case of •
member returned after a contest in • borough or a county
in which there was not a petition against the return.
They were all traced to the same source. the dramatis
primate being the late Mr. John itedleir and his solicitor.
l'his naturally produced • little retaliation, and petitions
were got up against hon. gentlemen opposite. 1 here was
a meeting, and they were all paired off euoept two or three.
Hie reason for mentioning the matter now was that they had
no security that a almilareouree would not be adopted at the
nest °lichen, and be eddied to ask the noble lord whether
he intended to move any sessional order, with a view to put •
step to phis system.

to take out the troop. to China, the Transit and the Sans-
pareil. Now, it 11.41 well known that the Sunoporeil woo
one of the worst ships in tim .mire ; and he hod 'teen things
stated in the public papery unfavourable to the Transit. They
had lately beard of a chip going to sea with a hole in her
bottom; and he hoped that the government would take ears
that the manner in which the Chinese expedition wee scut
out should not he open to censure.
Sir M. BERKELEY could assure his hon. and gallant
friend that every rare had been taken with regard to the con-
dition of the chips which were to convey the troope. He
could assure him too, that the Sanepareil had proved her-
colt to be an ezei:edingly good ebip. As for voteele having
hole* in their bottom, there was not one that went to sea
without twelve or fourteen. (A laugh.)
Sir J. PAKINOTON hoped that the chip* would, at all
events, be pent out in a better condition than the Mere's,
which took out the umet important part of the troupe destined
fur the Mauritius. Ile wished to know whether the officers
who hod been cut jectol to grout expellee and low by their
detention at Portsmouth for a weelibefore the Megvent
and by the leakage which hod damaged their property, would
receiMr. PEEL ITEYEL salitheetnglat hon. gentleman's question had
quite slipped his memory. Perhaps he would here the goods
NW to repeat it on another maiden.
Mr. STAFFORD explained that he had only meant to
refer to the situation, etrueture, and minitery arrangementa
of Woolwich Hospital, not to the manner in which it was
conducted.

In answer to Mr. COWAN
Mr. PEEL intimated that the chair of military surgery at
Edinburgh would be aposdily filled up.
The report mu then mused.
WAYS AND MEANS. _

7""- On bringing op report o th 7 committee of ways and
Sir H. WILLOI:OHRY wished to know whether it -am
true that the unfunded debt of the country had been in-
canoed mince 1854 by 12.041,0001., viz., 7,000,000 f. Exche-
quer Bombe. and 5.411,000/. Exchequer Edle?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not
&newer the queetion off-hand, lint the hon. baronet was
proheldy right.
The report wee then agreed to, and the holm went into
committee. _ . .

A vide of thirteen millimu odd was taken, hot for what
purged* could not be gathered, from the low tone in which
the chairman (Lord klonek) read the reiolution.

CUSTOMS: DUTIES

MD bill tem reed &third time and pureed.
RACE-HORSE DUTY ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

Thia bill wag read a third time.

Mr. COCHRANE PAR that at present the duty was not
enforced In the Quo of harem belonging to the yeomanry
cavelry which ran racm. WM that rule to he continued
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answered in
the eMnnatiee.

Bir J. aiIiNGTON remarked that running a race did
not make a horse a racer. (Hear, heat.) The bill ought to
be confined to what were malty race-herses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—There
weak! be no alteration in the misting practice.
The bill then pared
PAUPER MAINTENANCE BILL.
This Lill waa road a thind time and jawed.
CINQUE PORTS ACT AMENDMENT DILL.
This bill wadi read a third time and pamed.
THE MUTINY BILLS.
The Mutiny Bill and the Marino Mutiny Bill wore brought
in and read a first time.