The Express.
London, England, 1857-07-21 00:00:00

EDINBURGH ANNUITY TAX BILL.

Lord P,

Is answer to Mr. E. Ewes,
The LORD ADVOCATE said be would dale to-mottos
(tis day) vibes Ite would proceed with tibia bill.

SUPPLY REPORT.-THE DEFENCES OF THE

The report of the cornQiteeei;npply was then hears!.
up.
On the quadrat that It be relished,
pr. BENTINCIL roes, worst to notice, to call the el-
astics aft& home to the state ad the naval end adilitary
dditaedthecountry. Herold he was induced te de se
ben the very Cory name el the stalemates ands
en this sobbed hy the sable Iced et the heed of
mat rid the TWA lord albs disstrefty. lord
earth hew esthis ht the prethet den of affairs
mbieb bersived the aserity of er the WO*
zd.a.brthe both Isms. Seth the beer thee ear mew
ship wan be w s err of repreithe r
seethe tbews se be amployed l• the wanther• el trier le
dr Ban. The sleek ef awe sisteesers wee, t• enewthemes
of dna& ea ehr Nees ben the anis ef thiths te
Lila red Cie, Orate sembyweeld be dreg atbsty de-
✓ided di dire by see and boa If the lownfbattle
Mee wees wet ha sob
maybe• sired pethentint meth amble
then
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et~ le orb arible be pumper at dare we
we
sthethrth. The nab bed rid Kra the.
maths,
Int wee se wris
=wadi jar* wa eat dr be bed
with woe the ream ern et his mth:arewl
the whet
we. the saes he emend b adept le veld
la the barn Thoth MOO be se three*
of as orbs& la Dim% bet be Yd tot mild
the home bow tray eadthreseles thee were whirls Web,
at any moment pace the anon is a deb of hostility with
sae of the mat peeled slier A trsops. The no turd,
who wee Nip osajetest to be. as mike, toil the be

tffila=zest es of the 'dad, but he wee neither
our sr the .acct ry r aid
, ere brew menrity ribs& He orb It=
the here rd the eserry wilmt we the mars at his eels-
meind—whet sir he id Mira le mem the gaily et the
merry. The noble Iced bed sad, with 'staler to the
maths, that they meet sea Ask sent @sanding to their cloth.
The SPEAKER sacred the hr. genders that this
crateat reference to a pad abate our contrary es the esteb-
tithed ram of the hones. (Seer bear.)
Mr. BENTINCH submtheil le the decision of the chair;
but he appried to the Milignes et the boom to amble him
to brim
_mike their
I egagla
*lilyrdies this vary reactantpet wird. f
AY
a rulers te be enforced, it would
es mil le A proper had= et agile. (Her keen) He
sedigelsol the -Bah bid le bar ad, the
mar be her ride the berm ; that spewed le=
a wet onsed end rasa degree, end ens cakehied to
mobs the gravest appeargire wirier the gmeremmt
had takes peeper reps Is martinthe seder" diem end
to surly Or mid and by this ire it the Ear
Lord A. V. TIMPEST said It thee about
28.000 men were sheet le lave the , end les wiled I.
know what rare the govenswint proposed to Beet to
1:2 the veld end provide for the urea ef men rid&
be treble to beep up Ws bee La fell effi
cirecy ? Ms sells bed bad kid them that he
did not head le eel cut the militia ; but he
warned the noble land teat he weer not get recruits
with that B*tlhy Idris his ergebe tressemeat led him
to expect. He (Lord A. V. Unmet) bed etemend with
many eddies ale bed lees andreggil, gat be Mid there
was no exceree bete to air kb lie rep. The reek
looked twittery lel Wary es the freer shown is CM
re our had sulered the forms brier end the lows
boor gree/ te the dell ear Mee wen seem =sir the.
, He wield airs Tended the been et the Imperter het • that
' at Air den of the lest war the army wee NMI men duet et
lie want yogi 1111 WI apt emestargewheishelleella,
esesethe alarm on the Mrs el India, but he theeght it was
asermy te marl rid the pes of thereenWith
mord le of re at war PoNs fad
tore, be red melded the
aawileyararetersed kegs the Crimea be pet a redies his the
Find Lord of the Admiralty in referees, to empiric those
dike to brbubee the ens_ y,_ ad asked Aria the ed.
Mader the Mgr ire Mlthillenwria bad set nee
mord no
-w
The grew glees was thet
there re no Mk IMIIIIIIII. Ind thr se endieffield meow
ineraden bad been meekel. Two menthe eller, the go-1
veramint eggiergd the daps Mb@ egirlerd le Mr bees the'
army ; sod ft they maddeed the EWE die ma bed bre ea
reed le 8* Met Ire they meet regret kid net heatime
earth Mir bid ribs setlemer they wail did the
athentere se M. MOO 1111 1100150111 T la OM seers sera
hod bra adored deffir the war bit by Prawn eml
S fler-
beie dile. He le eglt what rambled ass wens sherd
to pressed to sed et what tryeurgesd 1 how they
were es be con Neerla silks err or strerners?
Mr steps were le lass to log op the srmy in India ?
gad whether the le
made? wail retradder it, boron
Is rderence to eaffimg eel the made?
Mr. W. WILLIAMS wee wed remitted with the tra-
der:l qt sum I. Mauer the seproditore for the
pared a serair army d
; but he would
see to their tie blgmolsmlty of the Duke of
W.
all en,
the r Will) IlialPSl thr were quite sail-
cleat tar the sewnley, Wading 25,000
stalked la Irk. suable mildlygaga
earl this year woo
126.000. lerrieg 46,000 auffialle Ihr bdia over what the
Duke of Wonkier bed ceneldered nessemry. Her Majesty's
government wire =A blast ripe of what waa required
for the repro dike suistey thee the aoble lord opposite,
sad he always And don goody weengh to make demands.
Colonel KNOIL. odd the has. megeber was willing enough
to vote large sexes Ain she repeem, 'Marys opposed say •
thing for tit dike mmy. The hoses should recol-
lect that 110 men wee gle be er withdrawn from
the numbs the powermsat he away estimated kr
the dims et the emery. Ns keeled tout the
mould garwanks by mid hid .nerdhe trlsiamawer,
end tab roper preasellons te mum a wslikient wooly of
men threcruit the nab.

Lied PALMERSTON said he believed it was net oniony
thendi thee those who had been simians hr the setsfameat
ors eei sigma UMW hew= Ism se when they woe
fr...l.a,sitnstkin bees respensible for Its per-
Whim the saps* se sMfsrl ishams wee not
Tani se poplar as It weri woo, he kid, belt he ears end oat
al eines, impel on pediment the nsieselly ef making SOWN
sees pope provision ihr th• ahem of the °many. Hs
sal riteisd that opining ;sod new thin he was a menthe, of
the genithethat, respoeshb he the ppeseeaeof en sampan
defesee, tinned the wadi Pm him ere&
ler not negbetheg ate ef seek pethesent herding*
They bad Ileen thinned wide to pests regard to eneeny.
It was the duty of pirliemsat to provide tends feesneh mesas
of naval end military ildimee ma were rapid* end It wee
the duly of the pvethenent tow OM the meths provided
were sidErient, and If thy great enwepway should scour, to
all on parliament far mere to meetilf hat in marry Wass
they ought not to eel es the hems is go beyond the
amount which, after Id ethdasaillek they who were
reepourble deemed selithat the the pupae of ahem.
So the as the state of Hemp emesened, the genesthent
saw ha ems why lbw dada the the ho
nes le N
peat
sash
Nee ens
arINMO than
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NM them to lbw 11110 so primped et the money
=od 111.11011.6111 In Ethel% II unfor-
nth& dwell thew which, Whim et home or
alma, midi min heminee of force reemery, if Par-
liament &PK therelly, lie thing, the government mold
Immedlstely apply to IF, oder it was not sitting they bad
the power of summoning it at epee, to °Nein Its advice and
es-operation. It wee Mae they bad been compelled, ia me-
simmer* of the mats which had oatmeal to India, to des-
patch thither • hap portion of the beep intended for the
fence of thisesenny • bet in ardor b ripply the gap the
created, they had thatidlately hoed main for the moat
entire recruiting, In sear to till up the regtheents remaining
at home, and If simessory have the moans ef famine second
beithilems, to provide he the relief of the seep stationed in
other penes; they would thus help up the amount of the
_• Oltablislinent Ogle perliessiall bed motioned. The
Ileum had voted • elehla seminar sees, ef whom a large
portion had been sent to laths, end they were now at liberty
to recruit until they reached the regular number exclusive of
those in India. He trusted the gap would be tilled up by the
ordinary processed recruithig; hut if not it would be the duty
oldie government le etheithe what other steer should be
take. Some hem. pethemen suggested that the
minds should be ailed rat; but be apprehended
they did not quite undernand what the effect of
thei measure would be. Did they mean that the
militia should be celled out for the pewees of training for
the 28 or ti 6 days provided by the act P If that were done no
doubt a number of the men might volunteer for the line; but
to nil out the whole body of militia in order to get them to
volunteer would be. meet expensive mode of robing men,
an they would have to pay the whole body for the entire
pain], and he thought that wen not an dyeable enure* If
lion. gentlemen meant that the militia should be permanently
embodied for genie= duty, be could only my that under the
exerting law the government had no power to do en. The act
authorised them to embody the militia only in the event of
the country being involved in war, and in cap of an in-
surrection or apprehension of one at home. Tho
country was not involved in war. and there wee
no period at which an insurrection at home wee
less likely. It wee quite poeeible events might occur in
India, of which information might be received before paha-
meat meliorated, which would render it noreseary to despatch
further large reinforterneute, and as it would not be right to
leave the country entirely denuded of defence by sea and
land ; in such a case the government might think it proper
to set parliament to give tho crown power to embody, for a
limited period, a certain portion of the militia, and obviate
the neopeity of calling parliament together at an lumina]
time. Ile trusted, however, no ouch necessity would mile.
With reference to the force going out, he might say it
amounted, in round number', to 20,000 men, com-
peted partly of recruits for the European regiments in the
ferric', of the company, pertly infantry of the line, partly
cavalry, and tinily artillery. The latter amounted to about
1,000 men, composed of sin companies of foot mid two troops
of lions; there woe three regiments of cavalry, and the
remainder infantry. They lad already placed under order@
what they considered the emergency required, and rather
more than the °oversee-General had thought it advisable to
ask for. If, unfortunately, further accounts should render
it necepary to send additional reinforcement*, the govern-
ment would then have to consider what further step they
should take, and whether or not It would be necessary to
apply to parliament for new powers. (Hear, hear.)
Lord A. V. TEMPEST again rose, bat was called to order
by the Speaker.
Mr. LINDSAY mid the question the house had to con-
eider wee, what was the best mode of sending out troops to
India. He eras one of those who were of opinion that troops
could not be conveyed is screw line-of-battle ships, except at
a far greater expense twin merchant vessels. A merchant
In tendering for this eervios made 'Rowan°, for the home
height which his ship would earn, but • man-of-war would
get nothing of the kind. Another question wee as to the
employment of stasmers or sailing vessels. From inquiries
which he had made, he found that in the month of January
len, 28 mailing ships had arrived at Calcutta, after an average
=of 1324 days ; in the mine month two steamers
wed whose peerages averaged only 94 days, including
10 dap' stoppages Mistime port* showing en advantage of
45 days in favour of steam, and one-third in the pump out
and home. The government
ought also to •ed that the
sailing ships now Iseviag this country would arrive in the
Bey of Bengal in October, when the north-east mammon was
blowing, and would be detained fora cousiderabte time.
Sir C. NAPIER end that If the Channel squadron had
been kept op the government could in 48 hours have em-
barked the 20,000 aft they were sending to India, but it
would now be Impossible to It out and man any ship within
less than three months. He thought the government ought
at ones to take up 110111 W simmers. Ha would send out
piddle steamers with there, to tow them as far es the trade':
Use screw stamen weld then .tart with a fall supply of
ma, and wadi be able le mike the pelage without prlig

in anywhere. If the Channel squadron lad been kept
op the reinforcements might have been at the
Cape of Good Hope by this. Instead of • Channel
squadron, the government had fitted out what were called
blockships, but which were nothing but bad steamers, fittest
out on an emergency, and which had not sufficient power to
enable them to keep ott the coast in bad weather. All those
ships ought at once to lo paid off, and the best ships stationed
in the various ports, as it was well known that • ship did not
wear out so fast when • crew wary on board.

Lord a: ;filled-1;1;i, what was as.
value received fur their expenditure of 500,0001. on the Per
▪ war. They could not justify that waste of public money
Baptising had been granted at Paris which could not have
bees obtained at Constantinople ; in point of fact, they had
not obtained all that would have been granted at Constanti-
nople; ea the contrary, the demand of compensation for cor-
bels persons at Herat, and for the diemissal of the Persian
minister, wee abandoned, and the British government re-
nounced the right of protecting certain persona which had
not oven been questioned in the tint
Biz C. WOOD would not fullowneEed:kwoble lord in any
attempt to discuss the Persian war ; they had secured by it
the independence of Herat, which was admitted by all ac-
quainted with the subject to be indispensable for the safety
of India. The house would rather expect from him
some infernetion is to the late naval armagernent, and he
would thereferssaawer the two agtime that had bees pat;
Ina

As to the tessispod ot troops t• ladle he could only reit.
this maw be had given on a former occasion, that it was
not arriihed revisable to employ ships of war in the near
port of tamped India, but to espy tither means of trum-
ped, sad employ ouch naval moons se were at their
fd Itsesil to providing for the Naval defines of India.
boa. Eate had .d weed to Um nasellisa of wain
elit oil
_lt lad boa add that ths sewage
21117s"itespesp , se taken ley %Big muds, Ina
tat tat strew Mips took esti 97. Bei Mee elide
of data. If the =Wag wad INN steall
Oben, . he hid stated so lately as Priday last,
ilmagmegp hof vomit was 104 days. In p-ftt dint
V hind Gm there 11011 souse owners of sailing mess
did we riling to be Wand to terms to emceed the speed at
lbszossr ships. limes be bagged that, taking into con-
sign''a the tires of pew, Ihe But India Company bad
slid will in sat relying wpm drew vessels, Coming to the
Clillal delmeen, be nehaltted that it was quite correct is
aNadlldislossponst him as stating that we had not liner
slips Iseammiellea fit for • troops to India ;
ret.llllllll aditarselere follow, nor had ever stated,
Mel we MI ad Wig ships fit for the coast ns:cs. He
mall =dial the hums that it we not lady we should
inlay Nei morning and lad an enemy's Beet bearing
-dim ulna dr shores. Before say such step took place them
vissil be ifilenialic notes to be sachem*, friendly retakes
is be holm se, and the other formalities which civilised
asslsUid Ireselably observed on such occsaione. If this
wee all err wham would be the possibility of the comity
=barmy and navy upon the footing of a peace seta-
? (Hear, hear.) In questions of this Wad
rinser rase and the ordinary run of affair=
not to ho lasetten. A mat might be
down in the streets of Lades, yet people EN
net tarry revolved in their pockets. They
sad with wisdom, to their experisace, whit&
them the extreme improbability of each ea oornmermiVt
at the present time there was an additional reason for not
faelnlartletoexinperi vitnuletstreg was. this
subject,woo ninott
Wkoe the nations of Europe inconsiderately to put an end to
lis mistime of peace. With regard to our means of de-
fines, es would remind the house that we had now eight
Mom Bard ikattle ships in commission—namely, the block
ships. This was a force which England bad never bad
bec..=ere Indeed, et present, not fitted tor a
cruising bat they had done duty well in the
aid
Baltic, as a mans of defence upon oar own shores, or
as ea Waders fierce upon the shores of other nations, they
wwe most week It had been mid that other ships of
the line should have been kept in • readier date.
Hie etperienee upon the subject had not bear him out in such
• view. He remembered twenty lead ago, when be filled
the post of Secretary of the Admiralty, that ship' which
ewe in ordinary, and were then required for service, had to
be literally cleared out and matted before they were fit to ta
iii, sent out. The tanks which were in them had deco the
sans had rotted, and thus a double work was to be ormed;
In the first piece there was the damaged end rub-
bish to be got rid of, and in the next, the new to be
put M. Nor was this the only evil, for the ships thsossives
sawed in the process; the useless fittings end materials
prevented the free circulation of air through the vessels, and
thus much decay and destruction was given rise to. In fad
bathing was more medial to the well-being of • vessel than
a free circulation of air, and hence be thought that the
system which hon. gentlemen had advocated was not a
correct one. Passing, however, from the quesinn of vessels
to that of men, he would remind the house that during the
last forty years, and taking the time when the greatest ap-
prehension existed, the largest number of men voted was
43,000. At the beginning of the present peer the number
was 49,000, the last return showed 49,000, and now the
howls had been pleased by its vote to rsiae the number to
60,000 men. (Hear.) So that there were now 7,000 mire
men voted than there bad been at the time to which be had

just sods reference. He had not in these numbers included
the Cam" Guard or the Coast Volunteers, the success of
which bodies had purposed his utmost expectations. He
had *eked the house to grant him 11,000 for the
Coast Guard; he found from • return that he
bad been able to obtain that number within seven men.
(Hear, hear.) Daring the late war 2,000 men of the Coed
Guard had Leen in the Baltic fleet, and had formed &nucleus'
around which to gather the men required for that service. He
bad not the slightest doubt but that at the present
moment he could draw from that body 5,000 practised ma.
mew. flo also with the Coma Volunteers an equal PUCCINI/lad
been attained; upwards of 12.000 bad been drilled and
trained, and, were it neeemary, they would be able and ready
to man the block ships for the de ‘m of the coast, mad
thus to leave the men who were now manning theme
vessels at liberty for foreign service. (Hear, hear.)
Ile thought that the hews would see that flee defeneen of the
country, en fax as the nary woe concerned, were not in a state
of incompleteness. (Hear, hear.)
Admiral DUNCOMBI4 merely desired to impress upon
the government the necessity of having first-class ships for
the conveyance of troops. lie believed that it was only in
such vesaels that due regard to the comfort and cleanliness of
the men could, in any degree, be had. _ _

Admiral WALCOTT said that if troops on board ogling
ship did not arrive at Point de Gallo before the monsoon,
they would be beating about for at least three weeks, without
making any way. Again, they might fall in with calms.
He had himself been once becalms f for three weeks upon the
voyage out. In a calm a screw ship could make programs,
while the sailing vessel was brought to a dead atop. One
thing be would warn the government against, and that was
the setting up of a rivalry in spend between screw and nailing
ships Such a 'step would induce the captains of the latter to
go with all parable canvas spread, and should • 'quail
spring up, under such circumstances, at night, when but few
men were on deck, the consequences must necessarily be
fatal. He could not but take that opportunity also to warn
the house and the government against too much parsimony
in such matters. Such a course was always penny wise and
pound foolish, and he trusted that the experience of the Cri-
mean war would prevent a recurrence of it.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE thought that iron ships were
unfitted for transport service in the Indian seas, where
should they strike upon coral reefs the conasqnenceswould be
scrims.. There were a est of ship known in the navy is the
forty thieves, which would be admirably fitted for this service,
as they would carry a large body of troops, and at the same
time be able to keep open the ports, and allow a current of
air to play through the shipt Plenty of air, and such
exercise as could be had, were of the utmost value
for keeping the soldier In health, and unless by
a succession of games, each as dancing, lee., the
soldiers were amused and kept in spirits, they would not
bo able to carry their knapsacks five miles after they reached
the shore. (Hear, hear.) He could not but say, in conch.-
aka. that he entirely disapproved of the practice of freight-
ing ships fir the conveyance of troop, as injudicious, costly,
and injurious to the freedom of trade. (Hear, hear.)
General PEEL thought that measures should be adopted
in this country for keeping up the numbers of men in regi-
ments sent abroad.
Mr. DUNDAS woe of opinion that auxiliary steam ship
woold be the most effectual for the conveyance of treops.
They required but little fuel, they therefore were not open to
the objection that their space was wasted ; and at the 141110
time, the fact of their having at oxemend screw propellers
placed them entirely beyond the control of calms, and enabled
them to some extent to make way against contrary winds.
The resolution was then agreed to.
THE CHINESE WAR.

On the vote of 400,0001. in aid of the naval operations In
China,
Sir J. TAKINGTON raid he wished to sok her Majesty's
government for some further explanations with regard to the
present peados of this country es affected by our unfortunate
quarrel with China. It was impossible, in his opinion, to
avoid looking at the state of our altars in that part of the
world without ccasiderable anxiety; end he must say that the
explanations of the noble lord at the head of tho government
as to his hopes of bringing the afar to a aatlstertory con-
' elusion had bran anything bat satisfactory. (Hear.) In
each an emergency the government had a right to expect the
sumet of the Howe of Commons ,• but, on the other hand
the Howe ef Commons was entitled to explicit explanations,
or at least an amtarenee from the government that the palette
interest did not permit of such explanations being given.
The right hon. barcast wee gradually led to dames at some
length the merits of tho Meese gains!, sad contended
that the house ought to know what were the intentions of the
government with reference to this quarrel, and what wee the
force which they designed to employ in carrying them into
execution.

Sir C. WOOD, making smother etPlotetel cowl, 70-
posted and onnanned his statement, made co a merlons
night, that the bombardment of Canton hed base limited to
those parts of tha town whiett wars oceamiad by troops or
public buildings. The most Madly rekdraakip still' ea-