The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-10 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 10, 1850.

Mr. G. THOUPSON said that sew slue the Baca
BM had bees &Med, bad the swathe el the Inlasposat
the treasithe owe hellso• the house la le havenala an
sepeee—(bwar, biteo)—owd he believed that so wheialeter
Yen bed war gnaw ape to pea the sabjest their swifts
esseldwalea *ea Ithr paw* swwwassalimmossz4 shay
were by Mann owl dlowsn, sad aa.
peed to blhaS ia iseseqaffirs the
state of pieties is home. (Load fries Noon
hear.") With to the peaks before the
boa" he might other is deb velum So lbw
that war doggerel !gates Wall dill met Impel is the world,
hat be wssM be wawa; le draw hie lllostratithe
bow a very portable docuseat, newAy,a retara which had
ben posond by the how bertha Wow Idea for 1801— 9.
It would he la the reetheetka el the Wee. that the raters
was sae el the ember el &New IS the reglathr for the
boreeshe sad shies d Rosiest red Webs hi the par nay
sad a rears the et their pow pipoladew The let am-
amused with the iweitheet otheletaawypad waded with the
lupe, and it swarth that la the. Weighs there had
beta tithe last sorrel ameba_ aw mho at ell. Now,

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declare he would vets Ise
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no gentlemes mid/ 110116110, 11117, theri by so mums milldeatly so to ethsfy him. —.. went
were set prams.
lye
migkeste kr gadhemestery die the whole begat of the Ma. member for Moittrose,
duties. I=lo9olllbitlinek ISM and. sad believed that so meows would be satisfactory as a
sae to disk leek and be pi lit/wt of 62 boroughs settlement which did net admit every man to the baulks
with emetibiesthe sf ram 800 gash, there were neon• who paid poor rates. Till that wee aeltithat the inuecon
tested 41 omen, sad mateseth U, sad that keen the 41 where the subjoin woad sever be iihanienei. His setae blend
them wee set the shaken ef smartest Mammies 63 members (Lord Jobs Romig had thews *Mho did sin madder the
el pediesiest He bush iseldag. et the homelike that present state of the repeenentalles eatieteatory he he had
ranged hem 199 to 1,830 theta % this leie there let fall some alonilmat weeds this endow, tall i iig that
were 1111 esateeth white they retuned 43 nemben, before nog he wend term his attention to
maim in all 99 members renamed by emestpose the subjoin, with the thew to propose some reform.
sneostested elections. (Hear, bear.) And he wield farther This was a step ia the right dilutes, though a
observe with reference to those against whisk " meet" small one, he should eleldlee sapping It, mad he hoppeed
wee marked, that in reality there we so mated. He had the government weal take the egportsmity ef saseasdsg
Imbed into the matter, sad he was prepared to say that in their intention to support some welt mo rase.
se aim we there say real bemuse in so ewe had Mr. NEWDBOATE who rem seethe loud cries of
the even the of a shame. (Hear, Divide," said that the knee had • right to expect that the
hem. lb tread, therefor., that est of 123 sleenotte for advocates eng relo should be esserstent in their demands ;
osier 1,000, there were 71 sweetened and bat, looking at the eneeinmelin of which notice had been
he entethei ; mad that, set of 186 members, given, this was far has lengths ewe. He regarded this as
30 had bees massed whitest • eaten. (Hear.) nothing but an attempt to pee the new on the government.
Why ? Simply bemuse these berth& were the private Lord J. RUSSELL mil be thoold vote against the pre.
of pee or wealthy mummers, and the people, in seat motion, very musk SS the ground which the hon.
them,
though nemlaally nine, bed so voice or share in the member for West Surrey gave for voting In its favour.
*beams whisk y leek per, (Hear, hear.) Let (Hear, hear.) The hen. pathogen said he did not think
Idoe = diem 71 Imminenth boroughs with 60 lugs any considerable mbiltiereenld arise from it, es at that
Nee Hie arms number tie members. He found that period of the midis, it could not go farther
doe p numb of electors in the 71 was 36,767, about than a bill being MK on the table. That wee
else leer
the West Riding and the Tower Hamlin He not the manor h which the house skald
ling the mann. of dime 71 to be 718,876, about deal with a quietism se Inge end so important as that the
sisal le ma the Tower Hamlets. Let them parliamentary fesaekin lithe house was diapoeth mike
seat see who wan represeated by the 99 menaben who sat some unmake or Mendes of that franchise, a mum,
tor the SO at the Ober eat of the lies. They wand should be brought in early in the seethes should nuke ma
lad that of so make, there ware only 11 eases- tun deliberation, should either Ds accepted as pr pig, or
tenet &Mime, and when he meendesed them the Mae modified as the home thought fit, and should be Onesedbi
Medi MO that the Maras bed when foss as limbic Ml.- with and passed in the session in which it wee introduced.
rase; ltembeetee, Birmingham, Balked, Welverhatatitca, Merely to admit a bill to be laid on the table, without ast
Oxford, Exeter, Piesbary, &Where*, Southampton. In all intention of taking it up or going on with it, would be le
them there was most 'greenly an entire alums of improper trifle with a very Important subject, in a manner unworthy
influent. The valets and whin of the people prevailed. of their situation, sad not quite fair to the people of the
The other two, Chester sad Shoeshine, were doubtful. The country. To him that was quite a sufficient reason for
total number of election ia the het list was 270,217, being veneer against the present proposition, without entering into
a =jerky of 233,480 over the 71 boroughs at the head of its particular merits, and ia this be wasfullyjuatifted, for the
the lie. (Hear, hear.) Under Beth a system there was not gentlemen who had supported it had hardly entered Wet
a single member of the government responsible to the any arguments having the lees reference to the propesitios.
country at large. They had seen noble lords and right bon. They had complained of other defects and suggested oboe
gentlemen dismissed from large constituencies, and coming remedies but bad scarcely noticed the bill proposed to be
in for small boroughs. Ejected from Westminster they found brought in. (Hear, bear.) If they had to deal with as es-
refuge in Harwich, and therefore they were virtu- tension of the franchise it should not be in the middle of the
ally no more responsible to the people than if month of July, not merely with a view to allow a bill to be
they held their meats by hereditary right. (Hear, hear.) laid on the table, and take its chance of consideration after-
He did not wonder at their indirposlilon to equalise the wards in some future session, as to whether that bill or some
franchise. Were they so to enlarge the constituencies es to other should be carried. Ile had been invited into a discus-
put it out of the reach of wealth to influence, or power to Wen into which he should certainly not enter at any length
intimidate, many speeches which they now made with tape- on the present occasion, having on former occesions fully de.
city, as not having the fear of an election before their eyes, livered his opinion to the house en those questions. Hon.
would be left unsaid, and in their room they would have gentlemen had argued a (nation not at all before the
speeches and outman mon in accordance with the home which it was not proposed to effect by the
interests of the country at large (Hest, hear.) present bill—namely, as to the number of electors to
Now if he compared the gm' population of the 71 boroughs each representative, and the anal arithmetical calculations
to which he had first alluded and of the 60 to which he list had been gone throtigh,shorring Staten proportion of electors
referred, he found that in the first—the 71 boroughs—it was to representatives was very much smaller in the small
718,875, sad is the 60 boroughs it was 4,666,828, making a boroughs than in the large cities. He had always admitted
difference of 3,936,953 in favour of the smaller number, that this was perfectly true : but it wee time fey those who
(Hear hear.) Take another illustration—the relative brought forward that defect to state what inference
numb;ir of houses rated to the relief of the poor in the two they drew from it. Let them state what was their
eases. In the 71 boroughs it was 135,200, and in the 60 scheme, and show that it was compatible with
boroughs it was 699,666, or a difference in favour of the the present form of government ; for, without
latter of 764,466. The result was that these fifty larger saying that there were not inequalities, and that
hwourchs, though they returned no mono members to that a perfectly equal representation would be preferable, he must
house than the 71 boroughs, where there bad beta no con- contend that the people of this country were deeply and
teat and could be none with success, contsitied seven times thoroughly attached to the form of government under which
as many sheen, more than six time the population, and they lived. (Hear, hear.) He had always maintained this
seven times the number of houses rated to the relief of the condition, which hitherto they had happily complied with,
poor. (Hear, bean) Now let him shew them how the that the mode in which that holm was constructed—the
system affected the votesand the legislation of that house. Take mode in which the people elected their repre'entatives—
the last division on the motion of his hon. friend (Mr. Hume) should be compatible and consistent with the monarchy and
foe amending the representation of the people. Out of with the House of Lords,whieh formed along with that house
the 99 members who represeated these 71 uncontested fundamental and essential parte of the constitution. (than,
boroughs, 7 voted for, 43 against that voodoo, and 49 were hem) Therefore the next time hon. gentlemen brought
absent from the division ; while of the 99 representing the forward these arguments, he should call on them to show,
60 larger boroughs, 47 voted for, 27 against, and 26 were ab- first what was the plan they proposed ; and, then, that it
sent. (Hear.) But when he said 27 voted against the mo would produce a result agreeable to the general wishes of the
lion he ought to put the house in possession of the fact that people, namely, the maintenance of the form of govern-
-12 of than who so voted were occupants of the treasury 'week meet under which they lived. Whatever defects there
(Cheers.) One of them being the noble lord the First Lord might be in the present constitution of pulle-
d the Treasury, and amongst the others were the learned ment, aid whatever extension of the suffrage might
Attorney General, the Chief Poor-Law Commissioner, the be desirable, he certainly should not feel it ne-
Second Poor-Law Comudiakeser, the learned Solicitoo-Gsne- notary to repeat what he had stated an former occasions ;
ral, the Secretary of the Admiralty a Lord of the Ad- he had nothing to add to those statements, nor did he re-
:shaky, a Secretary of the Treasury, a Member of tract any of them. (Heir hear.) But the hon. member
the Ecclesiastical Commission, an ex-Under Secretary for the Tower Hamlets saici, that unless the governmentcame
of State, • Lord of the Treasury. (Hear, hear.) forward and gave samepledge to prepare during the recess,
The united salaries of these gentlemen amounting to no less a plan of parliamentary reforms, and bring it forward at the
than 250,0001. • you! (Loud cheers.) Take soother illus. c,mmencement of the session, he and many others would be
tenon from the same paper, an illustration which had been disposed to lose their contideace in the government, which
mod by the hon. member for Oldham two years ago, but could not long subsist, and that perhaps the gentlemen op-
which was so striking and apposite that it deserved to be re- posite, if they proposed something in the way of extension
peatei. If they took a group of boroughs from the top of of the suffrage, would have their vote ; and that therefore
the list sending 20 members to parliament, end another the government ought to lose so title in framing their plan.
group from the bottom also sending 20 members, the first (Laughter.) The government would doubtless frame such
group would consist of 14 boroughs, while the second group plans and measures as they thought would he advantageous
would consist of 9. In the first they would find 3,135 eke• to the country, end would bring them forward in due time ;
ton, in the last 111,664 electors; making the astounding diffe- if they had not the confidence of the house, and if the hon.
recce of 138,629 electors in the return of 20 members. (lieu.) gentlemen who professed to be so very anxious for liberal
But it might be said by some, or, if sot said, there would be measures, thought that a change of government would be
some who might imagine that there was something con- advantageous, let the change take place.
netted with the interest of these 14 small boroughs that Mr. BRIGHT said the only reason urged by the noble
made their claims to the representation paramount to those lord against the measure was that it could not pus that
of the 9 large boroughs which were permitted to send an session. But, during this and the last three or four yes-
equal number of members to that house. Bat when he lions, the government had very frequently committed the
named these 14 boroughs and contented them with error attributed to the hon. member for West Surrey. Only
the othn group of 9, he would leave the hones to judge, the other day tke noble lord hod to sweep from the
The 14 wen—Calne, Reigate, Andover, Arundel, Rich- table a number of bills which he had brought
raced, Enareshorough, Thetford, Wilton, Ashburton, in this session; and, if the custom of past sessions was not
Abingdon, Harwich,liarlborough, Midbunt, Northallerton ; omitted this year, he had yet to introduce and debate =ea-
sed tin 9 were--the City of London, Westminster, Mary's- sure of owniderable importance, which he professed to hope
boas, Lambeth, Southwark—these constituting the metro- to be able to carry even before this session was at an end.
polio of the world, the emporium of the commerce of all The noble lord's mode of arguing this question was net at all
anions, the sat of empire and legislation, and the centre of satisfactory, not in accordance with his duty on a matter
the wealth and Influence of the whole world—(cheers)— which he admitted to be of great oonwquence. He cons.
Liverpool the second port in the Kinadom—(bear)—Man- plalned that the speeches in support of the memoirs had not
chaster the largest manufacturing city in the world—(hear, bees to the point ; but surely that observation could not
hear)—Bristol a eon of great wealth and commerce, and apply to the mover or to the hon. member for Montrose.
Birmingham the lan of isdustry, whom wares found their But not a single sentence of the noble lord's observations
way wherever civilisation had won its triumphs. (Cheers.) bad the slightest reference to the particular motion. (Hear,
In the town of Birmingham alone there were 4,400 more Hear.) Had they jest dropped down upon the island,
Anion, 31,666 more rated houset, and 113,787 more inha- and were without any government whatever, but with their
bitants than in the whole of the first group of boroughs he present notions of representative inatitutioos, he took it for
had mentioned. Yet Birmingham pent but two mem- granted that the Roble lord himself, with all that courage
hers, while these fourteen boroughs returned twenty. which he displayed most when he was wrong—(hear, hear)
Take the grow population in the 9 boroughs and °nevus it —would not cars to propose to the intelligent people of this
with the groan population in the 14. In the 9 it was country a system of representation like that now existing in
2,166,493 ; in the 14 it was 67,329 ; being a difference of Great Britain and Ireland. He presumed that all rational
2,089,164. They would find the 9 boroughs contained 41 men would take the course which was taken, or soon to be
tines as many elector,, and 31 times as many inhabitants, taken, in our colones, or in the formation of new states in the
as all the others pat together. In the first moup each American republic. But they were quite conscious, as was
member represents on an average 172 voters ; in the mond, the noble lord, that that was not a desirable or perhaps a pos-
-7,083 VOWS; the difference being C,911. In the first group sible thing to be done under the circumstances of this nun-
seek member represented 3,366 inhabitants; in the gonad, try, sad therefore they were not foolish enough to ask for it ;
,107,824 inhabitants; eaking • difference of 104,468. Take but they asked that those glaring and notorious irregulari-
ties Mare illustration from the same authentic mune. In tin should be diminished, that those just grounds (and
1I the electors on the register In the Tower Hamlets nobody knew better than the noble lord that there were
were 19,360. The Tower Hamlets returned two members. just grounds) of discontent to the great body of the people,
(gem, hear.) Now there were sitting in that house should be greatly mitigated, if not entirely removed. (Hear,
33 merann, voting on all questions affecting the hear.) The proposition before the house was for extend-
Me, Interests, prospects, and destinies of the country, ing the borough 101. franchise to counties. The noble lord
Mcasented 68 boroughs, the Poll oosstituescies had lately been in Lancashire, and must know that in
MI mu* laminated to 19,282, or 68 less than that and many other counties, there were considerable
these on the register in the 'Tower Hamlets. (Cheer) towns and large villages, and thousands and tens of thou-
It we neesseary,if the noble lord desired to retain that support sands of hews, the occupant. of which had net the fran-
which would enable him to matins* in the administration chin at all, though these houses would give the franchise
public affairs—it was q, both with regard. to the in boroughs. They asked that the principle which was
=ieat of dima:esds, theme members in that good in the boroughs should be held good In
nt MI btildr mho present 80' the counties ; that the intelligence which was sat-
wswimmmt power, got be thelealeate his intentions &Wetly enlightened to vote for members of
sa this important "milks et mweesthelon. (Hear.) The parliament in a borough should be held sufficiently
Gems ore= of ineweethe
_width be bad spoken of in refer- enlightened in a county—that the rating value which
use le the bereewhe Wend also in remit to the county re- was sufficient in boroughs should be held sufficient is placee
pmesseetten. Se lemeed the mete lard would not beyond their limits. The noble lord's proposition,that the
meow }shieldwithout giving to the country some people were gnashed to our present form of government,could
SIMPOINIMI that he Wended in the next session to propose not be disputed, nor did he wish it to be disputable; but if,
some iacream of reform. (Hear, hew.) He could say, from tweet, yews ago, the noble lord was justified in laying on
ii.......„...„.tabeahlreatenales acquaintance with the feelings of the the table of the house that great measure with which his
dhe did not refer merely to the working dames, name would be for ever identified, and in invoking the
• 11ow who wen now disfranchised, but to those who were power of bodies to put down opposition in that
ram=of prornoull, and who were parsons of undoubted home and"tPot Zones the eons of the House of Lords,-
-be aSehre the home that amongst after twenty years of snob progress as we had seen,—pro-
this sloes maZlly, there was set the slightest dread of any grey in 'dentin in Industry, in weal, is
or Noakes hem ea equitable etat every thing that tended to make a nation great,
tifinettambise. (Hear, lams.) He wee h a Nakao. to the noble lord would be still mon Adi-
eus's them that the middle ohm_ Resnik went medially to fled Row in Introducing another measure, which
the extent vespooth by his ben. eked else member he Mon- should be as great a stop from our present
trees (Mr. Hutu) ; and If so, how mush 'sore sordidly position as the measure of 1832 was from the state of
girded
would they go Inaseepting, in the hope of its bong re- things which previously existed. (Chem.) Huh had hem
as a nail settlement of the question, say of thaw
said recently about constitution abroad ,• it was said te be
smaller 1111•Mle Width he was sorry to say were, equally the duty of that house sad the country to interest itself to
with the stem ehtenau• schemes, uniformly rejected by oonstlettional government abroad. (Hear, hew.) Lad them
that home. remember that their own neetitution, of which the noble
Mr. H. DRUMMOND mundered the motion so simple lord was one of the loudest boosters gave the tramehiss emly
sad kirmlem thus he hoped the pveramest would not op. to one grown man la seven le this United Kingdom. (Hear.
pew te, thing! there wee swims* of the bill peon, daring hear.) He should be as to own himself • citizen of
the woad mien (A Isegit.) The hem gentling& had this country did he believe it pueblo that, for any length of
esid that he had Wed the Wings oldie popegin 8e be. time, it could be tolerated that ex men out of seven should
Boned that was aif the mid that wheelie said be shut out from the winery sunk* of the common right
a Meted "ke =sat my " exalted." (Hear, and trigge.) of the franchise. (Hoar, Mu.) He should most
Thet then wee mellement was evident whoa the party to whin, his vote for the motion. It was one which meraft:tlll and
seemang tie the box gewilnua, the noble lord was Indebted candid attention, and the adoption of the house, and whisk,
kr Me Meese peollies,- sea forward plainly and avowed if carried, would give the greatest satisfaction to oval Pent
thed mike memmise esemeelled with Token they demanded of the kingdom. (Hear, hear.))
11111.0 Mr the puree ef atabilibisAta republic. (.. No," After a few words from Bile. LOcxa XlllO sad Mr.
ties the liberal binehen) Net y, they know very well OxarTete
that It wee es. (A neigh.) Miming bad esid that it was Mr. DISRAELI interpreted the motion Into a confession
▪ Iy latethim et the cosethlethes kat • amain won- of the failure of the Reform Bill. Fora considerable time a
Msr gem= *salt to all toms reties a see n& member ge gnat number of gentlemen opposite had been discontented
apiesegeadese, Them who wets returned to that bong with that settlement adopted in 1830 ; gentlemen who were
sop the segemmilatime, set of pannier room . but of then ready to vote that black was white for the principle *fibs
the billereele of the He admitted that byng Es- bill, gentlemen who went to the country foe " the bill, the
gni Mg they bed iintair4pthoh• original_
bs
priaciple of mpg.. whole bill, and nothing bat the bill." (lieu) They must
oestelles, est ea the le they had substituted, he have most
_profoundly and most maturely investigated the
esafeeied he did art know wtO theiree the argument. question. they were deeply responsible for their dui" under