The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-13 00:00:00

meson Mete sof the emstry, and • dee regard to the ea-
=of the ph* service, demeaded. The news lord
SWUM* forgive Ma Is, espies that he wee led to
dash the mho theurity in Wileg to redeem the
expesillhe when be • eemmilttee se the memo of
arriving et OM sad. (Heart hear.) The emporium of the
working of committeespve little nth that ether than dm
latish= ef the gmesument hula Soh est of them.
He Imbed urea the males et ft him Mead (Mn. Dim
mai) es the mere medial, book stralaheihmerd, and
welstinitieael the two, smil thelebie he hal he bealtatien
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member ler asebtXembhes be theaght_iibe meld ampirla
the pmed wpga be shed* as ea Ms laNevalthet he
wield be Imiameal la oohs to esti a emostmleass:N:
peemigat opinion that there he
eased le the mem of that home, rylite
that eemmitteee wen to a great 'meat sham The lens
main led him (Um Bright) to tossing the pereltha of
the bra. Beetles= with format wham he feet mad it ; but
ea eamiaing lofted la it wallbag semsgeal the say-
thins thet Gould Mee hem the gageistamat et emelt-
tee, seeerdiag Ihdr superbness elite miles el sommit-
tem. The hm. guabosa's mopesidea Mil age Oldie the
house to say pedants's ef expenditure, nor &glare that the
ezpsediture on mecum of haries was tee greet. (Hoar,
hear.) If the hes. gentleman had made a rehatential pro-
position, if he had pledged tee hoses to the direst opinion
that the meth expenditure was es megrim one, and that
it wu the duty of the government ad the hones to reds°,
it, no:htag should hats imbued hies (Mr. Bright) to give
his vete for the upsisammat et a ecommittee, is opposition to
such a 'liberals' gwegashism Bat the he.. member for
Butkinghamshire, la the muse of his speech, gave no ex.
peetation of a departure frees the policy ha had hitherto
followed epos these quashes. lles proposition before
them was this, shah the government at one make such re
Ouches at they may think proper, or shall a committee in-
vestigate the question, and then recommend to the house
what shall be done. He w.a of opiaion that U the com-
mittee could he fair and impartial, a committos would be the
better course on many grounds. All the g-stienten os the
Treasury benches were directly and persosally latereeted in
maintaining their salaries at their presost amount He did
not mean to gay or insinuate that one of them, any more
than himself, it he were one of them, would hare to keep
his salary at 6,0001, if it ought ti be only 4.0001
Bet there was that tendency in the human mind to regard
these things with a petal eye, which made him prefer that
the question should be left to a committe • thee to th • re.
cipients of those salaries themselves. (Hear.) Besides that,
the Roy/rot:sent were beset with itifitencen out of doors which
it we almost impotaible wholly to resist. He believed that
the task would be performed by them with greater inequality
sad unfaisness, however honestly they might desire and de.
termine to perform it. Another strong reason in favour of a
committee was, that all those parties whoa Wades would be
hereafter diminished, and that wee sow the certain result of
either come, would receive thou reductions less hides.
Lastly if made after as investigation by • committee of the
hosse,and upon the report of that committee, thin they could
possibly do if made by the single act of the prime minister
sr other misnhen of the government presiding over the it
respective departments. It tne neb:e lord were to appoint such
a committee as he (Mr. Bright) had seen appointed on other
occasions by the ;what end preceding government', he
would:not be treating the house fairly, while be would plaid;
show that his object wee to delay and shirk the investigation
of the questicn. But Uhe appointed a committee in which
the government influence sheuld not predominate, upon
which present cr past officials should net farm the majority,
and upon which so salaried or pensioned members ot
the bcuw should sit, then the noble lord's proposi-
tion wee better than that of the hon. gentleman eremite.
Hopis' the noble lord would use his paramount iellaenee
to process such a committee, and calling upon him to ap.
' point it, he should vote in favour of the original motion.
( Hear, hear.)
Mr. DAUMMOND sai I that if the centime of the nob!,
I lord bore the slightest reeemblane• in any one feature to the
picture drawn by the hon. gentleman who had just spoken
he would toes la favour of it. The noble lord asked them
to inquire. Why, they could only inquire of him—(a laugh)
—and yet this was the true pledge of the economic inten-
tions of the government, for which all financiil reformers
mint to vote. It wee not $ ennesittee to reduce one frac-
, ha of the public expenditure, or do one single thing but
make an inquiry. (A laugh.) Were they to take the
sable lord's intentions from his own words or from
the words of some volunteer reformers whom they might
chance to fiod on those benches. le was not- rioue
that thithnotion would .ever have been made but far the
hon. member for Oxford. (Cheers.) The whole object of it
woe to trip up the heels of that hon. gentleman. U. felt
muck indebted to the noble lord for thus shortening the
labours of the sued. ; for, after this quitioa, it would be
absolutely useless to entertain any nther question of &asocial
norm. He would co: be led by shy misiver who might
seek to bully him by se, eh he would ries away front his
post and leave them in contusion. As to this motion, he be-
lieved that nothing could flaw from it,
The CHANCELLOII of the EXCHEQUER said he had
humid attentively to all the speeches that had bees made
is Emu of the amendment is i•hout discovering a veiled
argument against the motion of he Roble friend. He
Hes entirely coneurred wi.h the hon. member for Oxford.
that it they acted on the proposal, of the hon. members for
Mouton and Muylebose they could not arrive at a prow
sisal cuslasion It had been said that the government ought
to taker sou themselves the thspoe..ihiliti of making redac-
tions if deemed necessary. He (Sir C. Wood) neva shrank
from such responsibility. Tlte governmeat had very lately
dealt with the public establishmests is that say.
Bat, in Coder so, they felt, that es regarded sa-
laries, a different principle ought to guide them.
He held that it would be a very unwise and ill-judged
economy to reduce public salaries in one fell swoop, without
duly and maturely considering the circumstances in each
case, the amouat of wurk done, the nature of the t mp!oy-
, hut, and other e esichrations, which justice, as well as
ezpediesey, would suggest. V. bitterer might be his (SI C.
Wood's) meshes of his own salary, he differed from the
hos. hatter for Bockioghamehire, in thinking that
Moisten of hi erown were as impartial judges of their
owe Warier, as they would be of oaken under their con
huh At to judicial tmoes, hie noble friend thought
bet right that they should ant in the slightest degree depend
spun the executive government, and that it •at f r Utter
that the subject should be inquired into by a committer.
The hen. gentleman vaid it would be impossible to summon
those eraltre bah the committee. The Lord Cmanceillor
did not emessider it beneath his dignity to appear and give
evidence before Lord Altherp's committee, and they had that
evening the testimeny of the hon. member for Southampton
t i the effect that there would be n) cliithuhy in commending
the attendance of the other judges. The hon. guiles= n
au mistakes in saying that the diplomatic salaries could
sot be altered without an act of perhement. The total sum
was voted by parliament, but the government could spp ,r-
-tion it as they thought fit. Thus had the hon. g. ntlesou
brought hoard • motion in ignorance of the subject, rasher
than get offinel lefurmatios trom a committee. The hen.
member for Surrey said the moiler did net costal& a word
about reduction. Hie noble friend stated distinctly that he
washed to leave the committee entirety free, and therefore
declined to give any °pities as to otfie lel salaries; but es re-
garded both iodide and dipl emetic uteri's he stated it
to be his m.iaion that a reduceim ought to be made.
The arguments of bon. gentlemen on the oppoeite side tailed
to show what hermit: would result from their course
it adopted by the house; whilst it would be evident that the
'Redo' of his noble friend (Lord J. Rowell) would lead to
direct and practical inquiry ; and he put it to the opium of
the house if more success might not be expected to result
Ircui it than from the proposition of hon gentlemen oppo-
site. He called on the hour, therefore, to adopt the: pro.
poem% as best calculated to ensure the olyect that the govern
hest, as well as the hoses, had in view; and he would then
leave them to excretes their judgment between both propose-
the. (" Hear, hem," and " Divide, divide.")
Lord J. MANNERS said that the right hon. gentlemen
who had just resumed his seat seemed to fi el quite indignant
that a supposition should to lint rmioed to toe effect
that the motion submitted by the noble lord at the head of
her Majesty's government was caused by a supposition of
utheipstion 08 his (Lord J. Manners') tile of the hove..
He begged to ask why it was that a motion of such imp irt•
Gam had been deferred to the 'niche of the shim ? ( Hear,
hear.) He had often hoard young members commence their
Teethes by saying. " they bad listen d to the three of the
debate, bat had failed to discover an argument • ufficant to
induce them to deport fr..m the course they inten .ed to
pursue." But he was not • little surprised to War the right
hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Bung ter, say he
listened in vain for an argument against the proposition o'
the noble lord at the head of the mioistry. Now what
was that preposition, and what dil the Roble lord
and hon. gentlemen at the oppoiits aide propos
Why, to submit the question at issue to a committee, and n-
aive the report of the 'Menai taken by them. But suppose
the cossinttee constituted as the hon. member fed Mao.
chaster desired it should be—supp ise it manhunt in • fru
and liberal spirit—why it wee not at all unlikely that some
of the salaries would be reduced by the committee to a point
which the noble lord might think wood not be adequate
remuneration for the services rendered; and what would
then follow ? Why that the noble lard would have to come
• forward and cell on the house to Warpage against the re.
commendation of that committee. (Heir, hear.) An hon
member opposite had said that it the eminence were
to he composed, as previous committees were, of eta-
an In the army and navy, of noble lords and
members of government, he would not vote in favour of it.
But what pledge had he received that it would not be ea
emastitutea ? (Hear, hear) Tutelar* he called on that
bon. earthman sad reminded him that even yet it woe not
too late to amend his vote.

L.rd J. BUBBI<LL said the objections w►iek had been
made to the proveition which he had the honour to submit
that evening did not require much time to answer, because
they seem-d to him to have Men all di•povd of for the
opponents of the motion themselves. (Hear, hoses.) An
bon. member at the opposite side ohjeced to the committee
of inquiry, on the ground that it did not go bey trd t
time slaw of cams to which it referred, and to welch
had loss answered that if all the offices were to he included,
the inquiry would last so long that no pmeercul good could
be *spewed to come of IL (Hear, hear.) The honourable
..mbar fee Wolframs, for the lira.. time during his long sad
boaourmble career, that night re:7arod as mesh its that a
eom.itae of intiniry would effect ho good. ("Hear" and
laughter) It appeared, however, by the speech of that
how gentlemen, teat he, on a former mast in, mend on the
government the formation of a committee to isqufre into
army, navy, si.d ordnases affairs, sod that the committee
wee productive of great advantages. (Hear.) However,
the hem. member for 111mtrose wee of opsoirat, ea jodsing
bees his speech, that a select committee brought out a great
deal a truth on the evidence, sad made many facts knows
whisk otherwise would have Indio cone sled. ( Ileac, hear
Oath was ►is abjection to s seicct coiam.i3se ; bat IN (L.rd