The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-19 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 19, 1850.

o r how many sets of parliament—l, 2,8, 4,6, 6, 7—betweem
• 7 and 8 acts of parliatneut; It ittd set repeal, it recited them.
He wanted to bow this mostaing of that ? If there was no
• pontsa ef them repealed, why reel's them? If they
i MI to the Joseph el Aestralla,—.4 Has is your
esoillitutiem." bow weirs they to sadorstand it ?
S izear bear.) At the end of the first slam, they
• Senna sena, and made a new slam, and them
, they posumid wad with nth site oath, with refer.
am be dl fame asty es that tie Ituseind say one
of a* net yea MI6 bave an the other este in year =3l
yen mat sompan she naderstand these with the ei • of a
lawyer ; aid mese bet a lawyer mid understand them.
That was seethe way M haw up • metitutioa fora people
aL•mysort. (Neer, hew.) It ms so: like the Hafer= Bill
Eia by the noble lord. That was an otheernagly
'instate pardormates. It told as what was the
esnalhatiem the veriest towns sad boroughs were to
her. its seder to mks the How of Commons.
Pediment was abets to divest itself of the power of
nakHe set epos with the right hon. an
mid gentleman
that lwmewm stimald tionse esetain powers to itself. He
maid net &spin the trews Of that. He could well nadir
stead that the alma should preserve ft through the
farmer, but he mai net ogres that they should on every
suasion seed their legieleMes sot for the approval of this
how, bat of the Celemialreffien That was not what he
thought this hoses ought le de. Bat he asked what the
been ought to do ? Wes it mot clear that it was the
duty of the hoses to madder the whole of our ilsithisa that
were of the description of the Annallissi esithise. New lea-
ked and South Africa, seem set of alsnies, end as ewe to
prepare • Initiation fortillms. New, ithmsegiven to seder.
stand that there bad gen Mt af the Otheldef Miss a ready
made constitution for Beath Illhha. If the Celthial-offiao
could mad out a ready mile amstheillea he troth Africa he
wanted to bow why the pffilitheth Mann Britaia might
not send out • reedy thado immethietien hr the Asstraliaa
colonies. He wanted to knew, wheathey bed had losig expe-
rience in Canada, aad when the right boa. gentle-
man and the *obi* lord wen both maimed that the legible.
tire council chosen by the mown was a seam of mischief,
why they should introduce into heath Australia this
aewfangled dcstiine. He did mot see the word to bring it
nto contempt, or to imply that be objected to • niorfaugled
doctrine. but this was altogether coatran to our sone.
saes. We had had nothing at all like it, to ban a body of
people elected by she "chains and a sit of men chosen by
the Colonial-office, or by • clique fa the °obey. Calling it
the act of the sovereign did mot lead it dignity, it was no
more than a means of giving power to a small body
of the colonists, • pewee opposed to the opinions of
a large body of the people. Two puns were
brought forward. The noble lord at the head of
the colonial department, of his own unbiassed
judgment, seat out one to South Africa, and iron
some strange caprice this other am was brought to the house
and called • matintion. Why they had loft all the power
in the present assembly; they wen divesting themselves of
every means of legislation, and the °sly cheek they had was
the cheek of the colonial dries. It was • bill for perpetuat-
ins the power of the colonial °fees. If the Hones of Com-
mons was prepared to throw from its shoulders all ease
shoot the colonies, lot it do so boldly et once ; bat
do not let it wean • dominion in Downing-street,)
which all the long years of our colonial ezporisoce had
taught to .bit most mischievous. Ask anybody what had
been the effect of the Colonial-office on the destinies
of America, beginning with New England and Virginia
down to Canada. He had sets as or twelve changes
in the heads of the Colonial-office; is one administration there
were four or bye. No sooner did a man go in end learn
something than he was changed for the exigencies of the ad-
min:stntion, and thus the power fell late the hands of the
clerks. They were going to do the same with this bill.
The people in Australia wen exactly the same due
of penpte as In South Africa, with this exception,
that in South Africa they had two rasa—the Dutch
and the English. Some of our own coheirs had been penal
colmnies,but he believed that the astute and character of the
convicts rapidly &united, and that they would find the
people in N. w South Wales as moral, and as well conducted,
as in any country' that had set been a contiet colony. And
that being so, why had they two measurer for the same set nf
people? Would his hon. friend get up and tell him
that the colonies desired it ? would he all him
that New Zealand desired it ? or that Port Phillip
Mired it ? No, he would only tell him that certain persons
In Slug desired it ; and upon that ground alone had the
lion gentleman justified this strange anomaly. la one
to created two chambers, both elected by the people,
end the other he had one chamber, and put into it one-
=,L
ddrd who were nominees,not of the crown—be would not so
dignify there—but nominees of a clique. At th- present
moment the great reaptaeln for our emigrant popula-
tion wen Soistn Africa, New Zealand, and South Australia.
The people liked to go under British law. There was a
feeling that Canada would not Fistula under it long ; he
was sorry for it; he wished to preserve i.. There was a
feeling growing up, that in going to Canada they would
soon be under the United States, and wou'd team to be
Englishmen. Peopl t might call it a prejudice if they like,
he was gist that there was such • prejudice; hot E -Oslo.
men wool I rather be under the protection of England,
and therefore they preferred going to Australia and New
Zealand. They were now making a constitution for Begin.
men, and he wanted to know how his hon. friend and his J
superior. justified to the English people that they wen to
make them such 'constitution am this? Because this was tor ages ,
yet to some, and over • tract of land as large as Eui opt. At
this present moment he believed that South Australis, taking
ate colony only, was very sear as large as France and Spain
pat together. He anticipated the time whoa these would be
gnat nations ; and why shoed they not, as wise and prudent
legislators for the hum, why should they not lay the broad
foundations of justice and right, and not do, as they bad al-
ways done, except in the cue of the noble lord sending out •
constitution to South Arne*, , endeavour to preserve
a power which the right honourable gentleman
called the power ef the crown, but which he
(Mr. Wunsch) called the power of • clique ? He
thought the noble lord read the other night certain Spree
as to the tureen of the Canada' and of the United States.
Let the noble lord ampere the separate states; let him cos-
pro Ohio with aoy portion of our colonies; let him thaws
any one of the fret states, he dii not my the elan states, ,
with oar colonies, and ha would see why It was that our
colonies did net show that prosperity that the colonies of
On United ?kites did. There was nothing so miserable for
a traveller as crossing the St. Lawrence. On the one side
he foiled • people mot under • Colonial office, but governing ,
themselves. There was every improrement, rapidity of ,
mint, exertion, law, peace, energy, success, activity, hap-
trLLit him cross the water, and ev ry mar was locks
sinus the Atlantic to know what D,woing•strest should
thy. There was nothithr of the activity on the other side of
the water. The traveller asked himself, how is this strange
sentran ? Here we have as fertile a soil, as genial •
&mate. as sagacious • people, as on the other.
Ile striking • difference could not, he observed,
he believed on the wide gt•be, the difference
Meg the more apparent front the identity of the sources of
raity on each side of the river. too from one canton
rTtserland, from a protestant to a catholic canton, and
they might find some differenoe_, bat nothing like that of
which he was now speaking. The grandeur, the =guid-
ance, the spirit of commercial enterprise on the south border
el the St. Lawrence, compared with the crushing, cruel mi-
easy tt( the other was one of the most painful spectacles for
se am to witness. Now he wanted to sek the house
' ON to east this mildew into the other colonies. He entreated
the Wm to curb and control that power which it was about
le usatinse and to spread this terrible mashie/ over our
esiesial empire. (Cheers.)
Leal J. RUSSELL said he did not think he ever beard a
can Is which there were so many errors, so many mis-
teltsewith regard to coestitnional history and with regard
Ile unties as that which the hos. gentleman hadjust uttered.
The hoe gentleman had referred to Canada. He did not
think then mold have been a mote nahrtunate model for
the boa. gentleman to take. The consequence of that act
was that the government of Canada being divided into
• legislative council named by the goverment, and into a
popular assemblage elected by the people of Lower Canada,
—who wore pinned up in Lower Canada, and divided from
Upper Canada. There was for a long series of yews the
most bitter dimension between the Council and the Assem-
bly, and st length the constitution tame to as satire stop,
owing to the impossibility of the two bodies acting together,
and the result was that even Mumber sufficient to call the
house could not be collected in the popular assembly. And
yet that was the model which the hen. gentleman wished
these to take.

Mr ROEBUCK remarked that be timely quoted that u
• logical forme. He was aot speaking of the constitutions
themselves, bat of the mode la WU& they where put into
work.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, with regard to the logical
form, if they brought forward a constitution that would act
well, be would give up something of logical form for the
sake of pttirg the real benefits of government. Then the
hos. gentleman said that in the bill various acts were recited,
that was mans= in this bill with other bills. Nay, more,
the hoe. gentleman said it required care and attention and
legal knowledge to understand this bill. Why, he did not
mean to say that persons outdoes and inattentive would be
altogether capable of following this bill. Some care and
attention ia a bill that was to govern a colony surely was
not misplaced. In 1842, after a council nominated by the
crow, for New South Wales, an net of parliament was intro
clued which had been a good deal eonaered under &former
government, but which he 'believed was introduced
by Lord Stanley, under which a legislative mon-
etl was introdscsd, of which one-third was named
by the grown, and two-thirds by the people of the colony.
If the people of New South Wales bad stated
we do not approve of that constitution, we wish to have
two chambers instead of one, and we desire that that change
should be made by perihelion ; these representations
would have been laid before this house and the committee
of privy council, to whom them questions were referred,
wouli have seriously considered the mode in which gush
coostitutioa would work ; because, when the hon. gentleman
talked of the Colonial office, he altogether misstated. The
clerks in the Coletniatofike to whom be alluded, though
they did their duty with great ability, had ant to decide
question of this magnitude, ear had the Secre-
tary of State. He referred to the committee
of privy council who reported. It was then con-
sidered by government and a measure was Wesintroditeed
What said the committee of privy sound( ? In the first
place, that their opinions and prepotosseloas were in favour
of two coamils, bat they had " come to the opinion that the
proposed act of pasliament should provide for the establish
sent in each of the four Australian adagios of a single house
of legislators may, mu-third of the geembers of which should
be nominated by your Majesty, and the remaining two-thirds
elected by the sokoise. For seta is, in point of /net, the
system which sow prevails throughout the territories which
will compose the twts provinces of New South Wales and
Victoria. It was the pleasure of parliament in the year 1842
to establish that system. Custom appears to have attached
the colonists to it. Public opinion in New South Wales

weld appear to he dosbledly append to an
. alteration this he
of the wades south..
deo of the esktay hy the authority ef pediment."
That apielea wee bonne eat by the haft. The 00101111.0
did set say: "We bath maturely coasidered the guetiou
betwes• a logfikstoro ithapesed of a single body and oats
eampand of awe r bat they did asy We ham • legislature
ia whish thew b • piralar dimwit is whisk tio-thinis of
the members see Meath br the Wide and we ale wee Ow
i posed to mairgarq Amigo la the priaciple of this *Mater.
oath we beveled the insehmdty of southeringsath ohmage
and determithe Y YIN maw It ram M treated • (tear,
low.) That was all Mrs peinnainime peepm maiggia—le
give weight to the 'Moho of the to these to their
opiates, and to intritheas "aeon them • memo mph&
from, aad similar to, that they at primal had--giving more
power to the IrgYloarro, but maiatainiag the
peimipls of its eseedtatisa ; that would swath
until the solsoists had suasively asosidered •
different farm ef representation, as had coasidand bow two
chambers could be framed; sad it they thooght a better
legislator" might be thus fanned, • favearaMe 'kw of their
opiaion would he tabs la this esstatry. (Hear, hear.) Ia
this these wee wale; of whisk the lea. and I gee-
dewy had S. complam ; for after all, parliament had not
te frame tits sew ticismitatioa, sad the mew might to-
fu* its went; but that was the satire soastitudim of
the country. The gmemosat proposed, in the fret
Nor, to aim to South Australia and to this aisw
C=of Vittoria a legislative simnel' which they had act
Vistoria Wag united with New South Wales, sad
South Australia sever laving had a representative soiled-
Judos before. Bat if they had to frame another how, a
sseoad legistadve wadi for Australia, it was vs! y doubtful
whether the haperial legislature mold at one. make melt
provision for the formation of that woad chamber as would
most with the sporobatioe of the weletrists of Australia.
(Hear, kw.) I. the Caps they had proposed that the aloe.
tics should be vested ht metals bodies; swag others, in
certain pansies who held Mime under tllll governor of the
Caps. He did set beam that any Wailer others existed is
Australia ; bet Miley did, it was not War that the people of
New South Weise mad of Australis geserally would prefer
sash • body of &Mon to the dal* elismb-r proposed
to be ealabli•lied. Therellsee, the how would have
to nth the risk of tombs a ematitatior which would
not snit their miler; any mesa their wishes, or
else they must resort le the pies of wan out a measure to
Australia, sad wattles dap wan of the reports from that
!WIRY, ern, the% balm they framed the constitatioa. Was
it not • more rational and premised" coarse.-the °enmities
of privy watil having ragerted is Marta or April last, the
government having iautedthei • bill towards the end or the
swim, and the repeat el the bill having gone out to
Australia, and met the sassat sad ap; robotics of a great
majority of the colonists—that this pessamosa segold now
propose to terry into othet erlesionee Ithaded ea them prin-
ciple', leaving it to be weidered herinfter whether there
should be say change In that ametitation 2 (Heath hoar.)
Is several of our atimaise the legislative wall had
had little weight, bemuse it did, in fact, consist of persons
aimalsiated by the crown, and who hai no suthority except
in Wog so nominated. (Hear, hear.) On the other hand,
that the persons fermis( the legislative council should be
earned merely beams they were likely to agree with the
representative body, and solely to keep up an apparent by-
way in the constitatiott—that, again, was • very consider-
able evil. (Hear, hear.) Is great communities this diffi-
culty might be got ever. la an ancient society like ours,
with all the sidearm.** of great aehiirvementa, of great pro-
piety, of historical renown, and of rights attaching to certain
titles by the laws of ancient times, this difficulity was
easily surmounted. Ia a country like the United States
of America, consisting of a very large popular
Meseta, the different stem comprising we of great
'opacity, and experience from their youth in the
budases of legislation, the,. main were the means of form-
jag • senate; and the senate of the United States, composed
of such materials, was asivereally maimed in those states
sad throughout the world. (Hear, hear.) Teus the preb
lens might be solved ; but it was not easy, on • gives colony
being pointed to, to say at moo how a second chamber should
be framed that should have authrity and influence in the
e &ay. He did not say such a chamber could not be framed
in Australis, but would leave it to the colonists themselves
to point out how these conditions could be fulfilled. Per-
haps the hon. and learced gentleman (Mr. Roebuck) would
tell thiamine in Ave minutes how • council could be framed
is New 8 math Wales to have all that authority and in-
fluence; but he (Lord J. Ru.sell) was not able to do so.
The general prim iple of the bill, therefore, was to continua
in New South Wales, and to introduce in other parte of
Australia, that form of constitution which was int-Mimed by
the act of 1812. He looked with confid. nee to the support of
the hones to the second rsadiug of this bill. It had been
framed with considerable we, after knowing the general
opinion. entertained is New death Wales, and having rOllll
Out to New Smirk Wales, it had hien approved of there.
The house would do unwisely to throw away a bill of this
kind for the purpose of framing a constitution on their own
notions, which might be found unpa'stable to the people of
the colony. (Hear, hear.) And, lastly, on the principle of
allowing the people to govern themselves, this bill wu more
consoaaat with that principle than the scheme of the hon.
and learned gentleman, who, is stating the history of the
colony, and minevesenting the constitution of this country,
sought ti induce the house to set aside the opinion of the
colony, sad to legislate on sow unsatisfactory notion of his
own.

Mr. F. PEEL said this bill proposed, not only to establish
representative institutions in the five distinct colonies which
comprised nearly all the existing oettlements in that great
tract of country known as Australia, but also to found a
federal union between them, for the management of their
intercolonial concerns. To the greater part of the measure
he had no objection to offer. He approved of the separation
of the district of Port Phalle from the colony of New South
Wales. He thought it wise, In the existing state of feeling
in the colonies, and the jealousy of interference on the part
of the mother country, to allow the legislative council in
each colony to have the sole management of it. affairs, with
the single exception of the consent of the governor, without
rendering it neemsary that the sets of the colonial legislature
should receive the Queen's smut hetet coming into opera-
tion. He approved also of the abrogation of the district
eouncil,, which had met with great opposition, excited great
discontent, and appeared altoeether unfitted to the wants
and wishes of the colonists of New South Wales. The main
principle of this hill, the recognition of popular representa-
tion as an essential and Indispensable ingredient in the form
of every colonial government, had his hearty approval.
(Hear.) He owned his predilections were in favour of a double
chamber; he should like to see the legislative power shared
between two distinct and independent branches, each exer-
cising a control over the other, and etch having a negative
upon the other's proceedings. His ides,* and sentiments on
this subject were grounded, not only upon general political
reasoning, but upon the uniform sanction which experience
, read given to the conclusions of. abstract theory. The
I policy of • division of the legislative body wee something
MOM than true in the region of thought. History and the
experience of this country had made it a great practical
truth, which it wee unnecessary to demonstrate, for it was
admitted and conceded by the noble lord himself, and in the
report of the committee of council. (Hear, hear.) The
noble lord said he should have been prepared to recommend
a double chamber but for one consideration, the colonists
had clearly expressed their wishes in favour a single
•
chamber.

Lord J. RUSSELL—I beg your pardon. I did not say
that; but that the colonists bad *congaed themselves
against an alteration being made without their consent.

Mr. PEEL said he had quoted from the report of the com-
mittee of the couneil. The wishes of the colonists being as
the noble lord stated, he approved of the wisdom of the
course that had been pursued. They were not justified to
legislating upon abstract notions, or general theories, or
even upon the eonelusiors of practical experience, against
the expressed wishes or particular circumstances of a
colony. (Hear, hear.) Bat he could not admit that the
colonists had expressed their wishes in that clear and no-
mistakrable manner which mild alone justity a deviation
from the established type of colonial government. (Hear,
hear.) The pow/ before the house only showed the
opinions of the colonists resident in New South Wales;
these opinions might be collected from four sources—public
meetings, the legislative council, the executive conned, and
the governor of the colony. He believed it was the
destiny of the people of Australia to increase and spread
themselves over that great colony; that we had sown there
the germs of future nations; sad that what was now an
unproductive waste, would, at no distant day, be covered
with thriving and populous cities. (Hear, hear.) The form
of the 00111111i1g government must eulogise a very powerful
influence ea the matarity of that country, now in its infancy ;
he hoped we should stamp on that form of government the
image of British betitutions, and enable the colonists to
enter on the emus which lay open before them with all the
advantages, in the way of political institutions, which it was
in oar power to assibr. (Hear, hear.)
Sir W. MOLRSWORTH agreed with the hon. and
learned lumbar ter Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck) as to the difil-
malty of umissatandieg the bill—a subjeet which deserved
the essekleenthen of die noble lord. He was anxious that
as sjiwssitlen obseld be offered to the first stages of the bill,
on 111• 0061•011•16106 that all questions of detail should be
carefully anddered la committee, and that full and fair op-
ponent** Ikeda be given for their discus/lion This could
not raw be dew, as one of the most important questions
with regard to the form of government and the powets Jobe
delegated to the Colonial-office was only indirectly raised,
by reference to a previous statute, the & 6 Victoria, cap.
76, upon which this bill was founded. This bill la part re-
pealed, in part continued, in part altered and amended that
act ; and new clauses were added, applying and extending it
to each of the colonies. The bill of the noble lord
could not be understood without reference to the
former act; the powers of the distinct councils,
for instance, won not stated in the present bill.
Well thin, there wars various claims in this act with re-
gard to the ditrfK stemnailk one of which was totally imam-
prshimsibls, and they should refer again to the bill to know
what its weaning wee, or whether it had any meaning at
all. If a person wished to know the amount of the elective
franchise In South Australia he would fled in the third
clams that star motet legislature Is to have the power of
falai the seinknom value of land which was to confer the
right sleeting. But how was this minimum value to be
found ? It wee not wedded is the bilL But a reference is
Rives la the 11th clause to the 6 6 Vic. and to the 7 et 8
Via., whisk would have to be read before he could
ascertain ON the legislature of Smith Australia might
fix the ininkauen value at any sum under 1001.
What be eamplMsod of, therefore, was that many
most important wads= smasesel with the Colonial-office
would not he maid W tide bill =rapt indirectly by a raster-
once to previous seatness—as, kr Wotan*, the amount of the
elective traasides, the power of the government to reserve
bills for the royal consent, the power of the Colonial-office
to disallow bWa. He would recommend to the noble
lord to authorise by this act the governors of each
colony to camas a constituent assembly, elected

by the yes is whisi would have the pewit of frilakillg a KO-
sutedas it hod/. That he aowatived was the node is
whirl the yelaaple el the WU should be raivied out As it
asid at lama it* hill was • Mad of hybrid, bourses hit
rggia tildwaole et the has sad hanted iambs,
the mere he otesideead its dada, the
usr• t&d a was that it weld amt gin eadefataisa
W Si
etleablo la of that view hem. gentle.
mu read a striae of width wets to proposed b 7
Mr. lowa that sestaber of the •yistative roriably for
Sydney. These reseladeas dammiM fer the eekey the
niregaitha of tabdeterial vreoweillbility the right bs
ashreid lailipytge—that so atatiesas a/ the wows should
1111“ MI 111. retsably ; that the eastetas department,
the wales till mane derived heat theta, should
Imiliewal tube assably sad heel itervemsen to. It wee
weed aft wer• aothut hrliwrodii V6B
08411118 Sr loyalty, be having bard of the
awe of hell is Coaa&, the people of Booth Aastrolia did
sot klt 141 ht to arthavraw the lineament still hasher.
The bill Of the bake lord did sot amply with any of those
onitlitirae, wawa with& Kr. Laws audited that air mew
rare Weald Hies pemareisat vatletwaies to the eelasy. (!tear.
hem) With rapes is the dolma ef the bil, be would
lISSTT• his
Amender till they west hate aeoktee.
(Hear, howl
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Mr. 0. AIOSTEY sad the wales el Domingo bad boa
Mod sad MINI

MAXOLEB wkhed the beet institutions to be given
at ones gad at first to the Weak&
Mr. HUME said that the parka mow before the hoar
was whether they would read the bill a wooed time oe post-
war it till they rushed further papers. He was against
eitarporsteat, brume he was maidens that the hill
per as speedily
_as parable, though be should testae
year to amend the bier it outalaeL lie mesidersd the
erasure to be • healing we, sad as oat tea&ag to purrs
the sleek,. (Hese, hear.) He valued this bill, as hr
what it gave be rubes foe what it gas, the seam ot &-
tale/sag. The bill was elaselly klarei—(a lmugb)—but
still he thought it a. geed mow, mid hoped it would be
speedily plated. To make the Wean usetul sad effective
it was absolutely necessary to give them elestloo
He (Mr. Hume) did not her anytivil era boa a spirit
of desocresy. He believed, on the atainey, that If our
esdestss were fairly treated that we need bore me appeshea-
slam whatever of their separatioe from BellYb gournawat,
tar they wane tally 'speared with • sorrletion of the sid-
mats., they 'Must derive Isom the emetsMiea. On this
point, elthdlik he regarded the proat meitsurs as tea it atriums, he relied more ups the words of ohs solder
lord and the Under fur the Colonies, and
felt ended, from what had rid, that he
government did intend toestisigiesponsible pvernment toour
other North American , which wore still without it,
and that if those colonies did call for a second chamber they
should (Stela it. There was, however, an exception made
is this hill which he objected to, a..maculated to create
Inuit discord—be meant the money for the church. Now
these colanies had ample means from Mad to meet their'
wants in that respect, and as canals ee he stood there it
world form • bone of contention. Oa the whole, he rejoiced
the aseasare as a means for readering our depsdenedes so
many great advantages, instead of being sewer of sea-
barrooms and difficulty to the ormatry ; stall there wore
some isperkctions in it which he hoped the government
would allow to be mashed in cossitteo.
Mr. HAWKS was sure that the panel temper and spirit
in which this measure had beta diseased would give groat
satisfaction to our fellow subjects la Aurelia. It was true I
that the farm of government It proposed did not coincide
seemly w th the British constitution, and objection had been
made to it on that aecount. Referring to the papas, it
would no doubt be seen that the report of the privy council,
the opinion of So Cape of Good Hope, the minister of the
crown, and he himself, all costarred in preferring generally
two chambers to one. He freely made that adenten ; and
it war fair to ask why, if such were the case, did they sot
adopt that form of government which they believed tO be A.
beet ? He begged, is the first place, to say that the measure In
that respect did nut rest upon the ground that the constitution
of New Smth Wales had given satisfactioo, but rather upon
the principle, which he maintained to be correct and just,
of consulting the represeotative bsdy when any great consti.
tutional change was proposed. (Hear, hoar.) The people I
of New 8 ruth Wales were contested with the present form
of government, and so far that was a reason for extending it.
Bat la the Cape no previous constitution existed, and nothing
stood in the way of • double chamber. Here the case was
diffaens, the outlines having bees given by the Secretary of
State, the train details were left to the col. ists. The ques-
deg tureen was, were they (the House of Commons l_ pre.
pared at once to force upon the colony of New South Wales
and against her will two legislative chambers ? He was de.
cidedly of opinion that the colonists were entitled to expect
that no great constitutional change should be made without
their previous consent. The bill proceeded upon that prin.
eiplo, but it at the same time gave the colonists the power of
creating two *hashers if they wished. (Hear, hest.)
Mr. V. SMITH could not understand why if so many
authorities, including those of the Secretary of if
to the
Prime Minister, were in favour of two chamber,, why the
House of Commons should force upon the Australian cob.
pies a single chamber ? His hon. friend said the colonists
were satisfied with the measure. They were satisfied with it
es the best they had offered, but If a better were proposed,
riving them two chambers' they might be doubly satisfied.
The Hon. Under Secretary said that the alteration recom-
mended by so many bon. members would cause peat delay,
bat of what consequence, even a year's delay, when the
work in hand was toe vmstructing a constitution for a great
empire. Every one seemed in favour of a second chamber ;
why not, then, adopt it at once ? (Hear, her.) Ono thing
he did not understand in the measure, and that was the
adoption of a federative system in the Australian colonies.
Such a system might be necessary is the United States,
to enable the central government to treat with
foreign powers, but why establish it among a people to
whom we permitted no power of treating with foreign na-
tions except through the imperial governments. (Hear,
hear.) With Teapot to our convicts, he thought that
in return for eeltgovernment the colonies should consent
to receive oar reclaimed population, for whom there was
no chance whatever in this country. (Her.) He did not
wish to force the coloniste, but he thought they should assist
us in restoring to en honest life those who had no chance of
doing so in this country. Hs trusted that the points to
which he had alladed would not be lost sight of during the
progress of the colonial measures through toe house.

Mr. ADDERLEYdenied that the opioions of the colonists
In New South Welt. were in favour of a single chamber.
Mr. Id. MILNES believed that so large a permissive
measure es the preheat had never been plead on the
records of parliament, not that any of the American states
bed ever received charters so complete in liberty and power
of self-arbitration as were now about to be given to our
colonial possession.. In his opinion the institutions cow
offered to the colonists were as free as could be desired, and
be trusted they would work them as Imam the citizens
of a free countey.
. . . . .

Mr. WYLD was of opinion that all the colonies ought to
be represented in the imperial parliament. Until you gave
your brethren in distant colonies the right to send represen-
tatives to the British House of Commons to sup!, se their
views and interests, yon would not do them justice.

Mr. STANFORDaddressed the house at some length, but
his observations were for the most part wholly inaudible In
tte gallery. He was understood to complain of numerous
°minions in I►e emech of the noble lord in introducing Lis
measures of colonial policy, and to contend that oar colonies
could only flourish under the protective system.
The bill was then read a woad time, and ordered to be
committed on Monday neat.
IRIB/1 DISTRESS.
The report on the Distressed Unions Advances and Repay-
ment of Advances (Ireland) Bill wee brought up.
Mr P. SCROPE had hoped t►e noble lord would have
deterred the report until the house had acme more recent
information as to the actual condition of the distressed
unions.

Lord J. RUSSELL was anxious to introduce the bill
which was to be founded upon the report. The hon. gen-
tleman would have a much better opportunity of stating any
objections he might entertain on the discussion of the bill.
He proposed to ask for a vote not axeseding 300,000 i. for the
purpose of paying off the debts due by the distnesed miens,
but mute of the unions might .not require that assistance ;
but every information in the hands if the government as to
the state of the several unior s would be given before the
house was called on to decide on the details of the measure.
The report wee then agreed to.

PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill passed thruugh coalmines' some verbal amend-
ments_ Wag made In the clause. at the instance of the Atter-
siey-Oemwm.
PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL,
AND ELECTIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
The stooad reading of these bills was postponed to Friday
mat.

LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL.
Bir W. SOMERVILLE moved for leave to bring in a bill
to provide compessatioe to tenants for improvements effected
by them in certain cases, and to amend the law of landlord and
tenant in Ireland. The 111M11141 was 'ounded upon a bill that
passed the lords' committee in 1848. Some important clauses
were, however, now added. Oae of these was designed to
prevent the carrying off of crops by night from the ground.
Postponing any farther discussion until members had read
the bill w • h he placed on the table, the ►en. baronet ex-
pressed hie belief that it would be found as complete and yet
as moderate as was rsilble to make it.

-170W-CASTLBRErnaIi alluded to, and reprehended,
some anti-rent expressions in the discourse of certain washy-
torian clergymen.
After • few words from Mr. M. O'Conxits and Col.
Duress,
Leave was then given to bring in the bill. The bill was
afterwards brought in end read a Ant time.

METROPOLITAN WORKHOUSES.
On the notion of Mr. WTLD, the report of Dr. Fan and
mr. Grainger, to the General Board of Health, on thirty-
eight metropolitan workhouses, dead the 26th day of
]Groh, 1842, watt ordered to be laid epon the table of the
house, and printed.
PUBLIC LIBRARIES.
Mr. BROTHERTON, in the abase* of Mr. Ewa;
moved that the &Rowing members be nominated the aloft
oommitta on public libraries:—Mr. Ewart, Lord Seymour,
Mr. Disraeli, Sir Harry Verney, Mr. Charteria, Mr. Ban-
bury, Mr. Game Alexander Hamilton, Mr. Brothertoo,
Mr. Milton Mr. Corrosion Lewis, Sir John Walsh, Mr.
Thickness': Mi. Mackinnon, Mr. Kershaw, and Mr. Wyld.
—411014 4°'
COMMONS IN CLOSURES.
Mr. C. LEWIS moved for leave to bring in a bill to
authorise the hudoeure of certain lands, in pursnanae of the
gm animal panel report of the !flatcars Commissioners
toe England and Wales, and to confirm the proceedings in
the matter of the common wood Lucian's.

Leave we 6►antod, and the bill was brought in and road
• daft tinue.
The home then adjourned •t tam minutes to 12 o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS FOR THIS
EVENINO.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
ORDERS OF THB DAY.
Eliccnin allADLltoll.—Railways Abandoontent; Elnaday
Trailing Promotion Bills.
et Parliament Ahreviation Bill.
PRIVATB BUSINESS.
Sooorro RBADLIIOII. Bridges;. Forth sad
Clyde Navigation ; Horne Bar Improvement; Illtropelilm
Union Railways sad Canal; Belfast Improvement; Cale.
doniaa sad Ediobarglt and Glasgow Railways Amalgama-
tion; Chippenham Waterworks ; Cluster and Holyhead
Railway ; Man/theater Rioter, Divkloo ; South Wales
Kaden (24 2); Reading Union Waterworks ; Rooth
8 Railway; Bills.

NOTICES OF QUESTIONS.
AJIIIY °mesas' WIDOWS' Paxatotta.—Colonel CHAT-
TERTON, to ask the right Hos. the &wintry st War, If ha
has say objection to (nal a return of all *Moors' widows
VII have !RAWLS., p..'....
USN 11111 Ist day of January,
1010: two of dm applicants, the rank of their
deceased h the .i per sanua granted to each,
aad, in ease of say refral, the reason of such re cal, with
rehrearo to" wealthy eirensameuers " only.
Cantaaa Psnazoinals' Savtwas BAWLS —Mr. HENRY
HERBERT, to ask the at War a question eon.
aersiag a circular addraned tot • staff °Olean is Ireland,
an the
rs.subjact of deposits in savings-banks by Chalets
pannie

NTIC MOTIONS.
RAILWAY Bum.O—Mr
WO.
PATTEN to move that the
rometheiosiersol railways be directed to report their opinion
to this home, la asoordaace with the proveions of the Act
' 9 and 10 Vic., c. 106, oa any railway bills which here been
introduced &rile( the present session, in which it is proposed
to raise or alter the Imes and tolls authorised to be taken
ander existing seta of parliament.
Liman or Amanda—To Mr. Benbow and Mr. Walter,
the former till Zeiler, the latter for three weeks.
altYlelolt or POOl Eras.—Mr. DISIIABLI, tom-
amities of the whole home, to take into its sonsideration
each rovialcia Of the laws providing for the relief of the p ior
of the United Kiegdoa of Great Britain and Ireland, as limy
mitirate the thanes of the apricot trial clasets. Mr. AN-
DERSON,—To move, sa an amendment upon Mr. Disraeli's
elation for a revisiou of the poor rates, for the appointment
of a select committee to belittle into the efftcts of the laws
for levying duties on the importation of corn and other esti•
cultural produce from the yen 1816 to the year 1848, both
inclusive ; also, into the relative amousts of taxation, local
and general, which hays been levied during the same
period on agricultural and other property and incomes.
Till UNIY/ISITIES.—Mr. HEYWOOD, athirem to her
Majesty, that she will be graciously pleased to appoint • corn.
raissioa to inquire Into the Uaiversities and Colleges of
Oxford, Cambridge, end Dahlia, with a view to assist those
ancient Inatitutioas is their adaptation to the requirements
of modem lima. _

AFFIRMATION BILL.-I[r. WOOD, bill to tumid* persons
who refuse Oa religions grounds to be sworn, to subaututs an
affirmation fur an oath_

LONDON Faaaltag BILL.—Mr. Alderman SIDNEY, bill
for abolishing the payment Unties and stamp dunes on the
admission of freemen of the corporation of London.
Rsthwax TsArric.—Mr. RICARDO, bill for the better
regulation of railway traffic
Counrx Cot:rm.—Mr. GRANGER, to move for various
returns as to the operation of the County Courts Act. 9 and
10 Vie., a. 93, the amount of business don., number of judg.
aunts, menus paid in, and numbers of executions issued,
and commitments consequent thereon. Also, di btor and cre-
ditor socount of the treasurers of each court respectively.
Tan AMT. --Mr. HUME —Nominal return of all officers
at present serving on the staff of the army at home and
abroad, in the capacity of generals or colonels, where em-
ployed, date of appointment, &a.; and return of all
officers appointed to the colonelcies of regiments from Jan.,
1827, to March, 1848, with periods of service, whether in the
guards, in tie line, or on tie staff.
Two Navy.—Mr. HUME, various returns u to the
names and numbers of her Majesty's vessels of war, whether
in commission or in ordinary, on the let of January, 1819;
of their aggregate tonnage and coat of, in building or repairs,
in each year since 1828.
Orrtcnxa or THE Nsyr.—Mr. HUME. detailed returns
of the various grades of commissioned officers in the royal
navy. giving data of commissions, when promoted, &c., and
distinguishing the number of each rank on full or on halt-
pay, &e.
TRANSPORTATION AND INPLIISuNKENT FOS ATISDE.
)lIIANOUS. Colonel DUNNE, various returns on these
subjects.
Pool". LAW UNION ADVANCES (IRELAND).—Sir R
FERGUSON, returns of the sums advs.ned to each poor
law union in Ireland, under the acts 12 and 13 Vie., c. 24
and 63, with the date of such advance, to the latest Period ;
and of the amount repaid to the imperial treasury, for the
advances under those acts, with the daas, to the latest
period.

ORDERS OF THE DAY.
SZCOND RlADlNo6.—Jadgmenta (Ireland) Bill; Amend.
meats to be considered; Patty Proceuions (Leyland) Bill.
Sir W. VERNER, to more, as regards the latter blll,
several ameadareats.