The Express.
London, England, 1859-03-30 00:00:00

JURIES IN CIVIL CABER BILL,.

Lord Ciell7l3E4 In -;;;iii.g-tia-e;;;On7f rending of th.
Juries la Civil Causes Bill. observed that this bill applied
solely to civil HAW. He brought forward eeveral immures
to prove that the unanimityofjories wee not in former time
Imperative, but that the opinion of a majority wee Dimling
on the minority, a custom still in fermi among grand juries,
and among their lordships in their judicial capacity. He
reozhd to dwell on the hardships which one wrong-
juryman could indict on the others, sad the injury
end expense to the suitors. After the many concebions
that had been made to public opinion he asked why
were jurymen to be subject to doe and imprison-
ment if they refused to attend, sad to deprivation
of no eatery food, light, warmth, end rest Ifs on attendance,
they could not agree P The view he look of them:oEoon wee
supported by such authorities se the late Mr. Hallam and the
Common Law Commiesioners, who had observed that a

Cieage in the law on this tidiest was hoperatlvsly maw
easy. He himself thought t the jury en retiring slash
be supplied with refreshments, and after they had been con-
fined a certain number of boars that the deobion of a ma-
jority of nine should be sufficient for a verdict. Then mu a
growing tendency among juries to disagree, end he thought
that If we expected unanimity we mighty well abolish trial
by jury altogether.
Lord LYNDHURST opposed the mad reeding of the
bill because its object was to change one of the fundamental
hews of the kingdom. The propane' alteration would affect
a law which had existed for the last 600 yens, and which,
eefth one or two exceptions, had been admired and applauded
by all our most eminent lawyers. This bill originated from
a trial relating to a railway accident, which involved a ques-
tion al au& nicety dirt five juries who had teed the question
aid scene to no dee-talon upon it. If this change wee
Ameba there would be a material themes in the number of
new trials and of the expenses of litigation, end it would
stifle that discussion which was the very basis on which una-
nimity efjeuies wee founded.
The LORD CHANCELLOR vas opposed to the bill, as
the alteration It proposed wee ons of the utmost importance,
Involving the whole question of teal by jury. Lord Camp-
bell, it wee true, restricted the action of the hill to deft
ease, but would it be possible foe him, when this principle
bad been once iatroducel, to withhold it from criminal case 9
TIN principle of unanimity was most useful, for it corn-
pelk 1 the majortry to moire at a just decision, not from
eaprioabut from a strict examination of the merits of thecae.
But if the system of majorities was once adeiitted, the result
would be that the majority woe'," not listen to the minority,
but sit out the time sppointod, and then carry their
verdict. This bill, in his opinion, wee calculate' to shake
all confidence is the administration of justice. He thought,
however, that a jay should not he debarred from
; they ought not to be forced into a decision by the
weakness of the Bah, but should be la a proper condition to
discharge the duties required from them. He besought the
house not to subvert a system which hod been in operation
600 pare, and to wove by their decision that they would not
allow that spit= to be tampered with.
Lord trilitawvtrala and Lord CiAtiWORTH supported the
bill; which wee opposed by Lard WMUILETDALE.
Lord RINI:ISM/MN expend a strong opinion in fa-
vour of the bill. As to what had been said about unanimity,
he inked, did the jars agree? Did their lordships
in their
twelve men taken at realm be presumed to be more
likely to agree in a cause where thin was room for difference
of opinion? The 11l auccas which bad attended trial by
jury In Scotland was entirely owing to the enforcement of
unanimity.
Lord CAMPBELL, In reply, said that no answer bed
been given to the arguments which be had edvanced in sup-
port of the bill. Whatever the result, he should think it his
duty to take the lease of the house.
Their lordships accordingly divided.
For the second reading
Menet It
23-16
The bill was thus thrown out.
VEXATIOUS INDICTMENTS BILL.
The report of amendmonts wee reosivei.
EVIDENCE BY COMMISSION BILL.
The ropers of amendments were received.
Their lordships adjourned at a quarter to 10.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tctstay, MAR= 29.
The Srataina took the chair et 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Tho Lmdon ant North-Wotern Railway (Edge-hill to
Garetoo) Bill, end the Bad Sea end India Telegraph Com-
pany (No. 2) Bill, ware read • third time and pared.
The Scarborough Gee Bill Ma TOII4 • second time.

PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Tun Arrows BILL.—By the Marquie d HAantrovon,
from inhabitants of Accrington and Charley; Mr. Mos-
TVS, from inhabitants of Bala, wittily of Merioneth; Mr.
BASLIY, from Longaight, Manchester; all agairq the
Government Reform Bill.
HIGHWAYS BILL.—By Mr. LUTIST, from the Inhabitants
at Kedworth, in Coe await; the Marquis of HAIMINGTON,
from the toserip of Livery, Remsgrans, and Bobler-
stone ; against.
BANIMOPTCT AND INSOLYINCT BILL.—By Mr. Wigs,
from the mayor and inhabitants of Stafford ; la favour of.
LOCAL ASSIISSIMMITS EXEMPTION ABOLITION BILL.—
By Mr. H. G. Lagotow, from the threes of the Bristol
Moeicipal Ch.:sties end from the Bristsl Institute for the
Rehef of the Deaf and Dumb; Mr. A. STEUART, from the
trustees of reverter Charity Estate, in the town of Cam-
bridge; Mr. BOLT, from a parish in Oloucester; General
WTNDHAM, from Brinklow, county of Ware.ok ; Mr.
BOEILTON, from Crory, Cheshire; Colossal EARTIMUGHT,
from Middleton Cheney, Northamptonshire; ardor.
Tue PAPER DCTT.—By Mr. H. BIMICRLET, freers the
journeymen printers of the city of Bristol ; for the :reel of.
OPIUM, &c.—By Mr. INGRAM, from the congregation et
the General Drools= Chapel, Horton, Lancashire; Mr.
BAY, from Mr. Griffith and others of 13o:het-street dispel.
Derby; against the trate in opium; by Mr. flanurnotr.
from James Cadbury, on behalf of the Society of Friends,
Buu',lll7 WHAM the trefßc In opium, and in favour of re-
suietion on the cultivation of the poppy in India.

NOTICE OF MOTION.
Mr. HORSTALL...OII Teraday, to call attention to the
Intended mall service between Galway and America, and to
move for • copy of all the sorteepoedence connected there-
with.
Mr. Gamut postposed his motion on the currency :for a
fortnight.
THE TREATY WITH JAPAN.
Mr. GIBSON askel if there wan a prosi,ion in the treaty
with Japan to prohibit the Importation of opium into that
country, sad if any elate had been taken to prevent it ?
Mr. FITZGERALD wee uederstood to say that them
was such • proviedon, and that steps would be taken to
enforce it.
OFFICERS OF THE LAND TRANSPORT CORPS.
General CODRINGTON asked whether, in the offer of
additional rank latelyeekaowledgod as doe to certain officers
of the Land Transport Corps, it was meths a condition that
they should repay to the Tieastery part of their full pay,
issued to them la 1867 and 1866,11er duty actually dame with
their repimeata in their preteet mkt
General PEEL said that slam the redeetkm of the Land
Transport Corps some of the dicers had been envieg in
junior rankle on fell pay. It woe impossible for officers to
remise both full pay and half pay. *se if they sempted the
offer made to them, they would be called upon to repay the
diffsrence between half vay and fall pay ; and In case the
full pay was less then the half pay to which they had been
entitled, they would receive the differnese. Bat be thonabt
it would be a hardship on them Or require any repayment
respect of 1867 and 1868. and this would not be enforosd.
THE CHURCH RATE ABOLITION BILL.

In nnawrini;:iiiswozoolz,
Sir J. TRELAWNY obi be would p3elpone the com-
mittee as this bill US ea eati, aey is next week.

Mr. NEWDEGAIE asked if the government could give but as the condition on which alone he could conscientiously
say facility for betegieg on the discuance. mermen the second reading ; but the wide lord (Lord J.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not Ruessll), so far from interposing it as the condition which
clearly see whet arrangement he meld make, but he would would bead him to support the scond reading of the bill,
take the matter into consideration and communicate with the with • view of emending the details in committee, has in
bon. breast. leagusge very distinct, stated that he trusted not only would
THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. the resolutka be carried—which is likely to be the cam—but
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Perhape that there weld be summer
h• Ws ell, if not immedistel"gsas sand
discussions
uPgi t
y, honk" be totally rejected.
the home will permit me to take this opportunity of ribering (Rear, hen) There declarations praceoding from the two
to the enbjoct of the debate width was adjourned last night. noble lords do not bear the characteristics of a
(Hear, hew.) I think it would be very destrable, if pantile. deeply laid
_plot for a joint attack upon the we-
ttest we should now we the termini/kit of this debits Pend of Moe, with • view to • joint occupation
aft abr. (Laughter.) I cannot pert from tbsa pertof tea
(Chien.) I have no wish, under these circumstances, to mg- eased without eipreeeing the regret 0.ith",„..7- heard -
gust say course but that which I really believe will meet theme of the eminent chereeter and ability of her Ma-
th. mina with. (h., hew.) Hon. gentlemen on both 's Solicitor-General spoil an able end effeetive speech
aides met feel that my position under the circumstances is
a very panful one, and when • subject of this greet import- (imp* at the close of it words which were ass we=
the words iz
wereb but words id bad et
is same brought forward end • long debate team place, it is • Oa the Muse or position in it.
ad (Chews I em
tighter)—and that they arse from that sbeolute"secessity
eery great respomdbUity to appear to refuse to those who of always finishing a Beatrice which 000ssioaally preens in
wish toaddress the house the opportunity of doing so. I have en Inconvenient manner •••■ on the moat expert end Pram
dant ale, wereb not intended totabso:teed,Lad Illno cent
received a great many communications, not by say means tleed speakers. (` React hear," and a laugh') I lea "n-
--ro
debate
eatened to the gentlemen bitting on my own side; I have
slhaliiigt helthealitobt:
dicvwCouronsecummtalms.w.rilhlLabe: t(olobaierst!uyrni:thit:suk oLthimleania:UZingsage:drasiropad:rill:m•toiter:
hdra.ese.rv) redly doe dwa°egithasttt
debate to-night, with this genteel understanding, that we the character of the noble lord, 'apnea hie
this for
of reform, the paresnoluut and everVowerag
have Mat Pleasure in doing what I ran to bring ft then to considention on my own mind is that it is duty- to tekie
a termination. (Heer, hear.) the roues that shall most contribute to an early and eatisfec-
, METROPOLITAN TOLL BRIDGES. tory settlement of it. (Hear, hear.) If I bad seen in the
Mr. LAURIE postponed his motion till Timis? Met. mocha el the noble lord the papsot of • Powerful larnfln-
meat, or of • combination y to carry through • Rasmus
:h.troulodngnogot
government
AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS, AND CRUELTY TO ee reform—of moderate reform—for my other mime mode.
ANIMALe.
Viscount RAYNHAM obtained leen to bring in bllls to hands—that I confer would be • motive to net f
from
slithouledniebn>birThrdell'i.
amend the acts on then subjects-16 and 17 Vie., et. 21, and rlttew:maceuldrehavie
LI and 14 Vic., e. 92. means let us have ft. Bat it is far from being en induce-
INDEIdNIri. meet to me to vote for the resolution when I find that
Mr. G. HARDY obtained leave to being in a bill to intim- the leading men who have posed d an support it have
At such persons in the United Kingdom u bed emitted to only an agreement of opini proposed
is limited to the terms
Valliy themselem for offices and emptoyments, and to extend of the motion itself, but leaves°a'
them 1 an at 'bony to pursue dis-
til, time for doing so. tint and opposite courses the day Liter it is carried. (lum)
THE INDIAN LOAN. With mud to the prominent points of objection to the hill
In slower to Sir B. Palter. —pante that have been as prominently token on this aide se
Lord STANLEY stated that as coon es the debate now on the other—l concur. I concur in the objectless taken by
proceeding was concluded, he should take the earliest oppor- the noble lords opposite. I cannot be a part y to the die-
trinity of stating the course which the government wee pee- franchisement of the county voters. (Hear, hmr.) I con
pored to take with regard to the Indite Luc.. be no party to uniformity of muffin& e. (Hew, hew.) I
CHURCH RATE ABOLITION BILL. aka be no perty. to a Reform BM whittle does not
Sir J. TRELAWNY gave seek* that be should bring on lower the franc.hise in boroughs. (Hear, hese) I mast no
this bill on Tuesday next, if some arrangement were not a step farther, and may that to lower the franchise in boroughs
med. by the government' in the meantime for allowing is the main purpose of having • Reform Bill at all. (Cheers.)
it to come on. And unless you have that lowering of the franchise, it would
be better that we should not waste our time upon It. (Hew,
THE REFORM BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. hear.) Whilst I concur in these objections, I must maks a
Mr. GLADSTONB—It appears to ma, sir, that there are coefersion with retard to another part of the bill. I &met
other remarkable features in this debate besides the great think I reisondei rated the noble lord (Palmerston) when I
ability with whtch it has been conducted ; and amiss them sz that theedoesktnttot
t,taoltprooire of that ferloofittotr
.bidll which
all I know none so remarkable as the singular the noble lord opposite (Rtunell) to object to that
accordance of opinion on both sides of the house, among the portion, nor do I understand my right honourable
great majority of thou who have spoken—l might say friend near me to object to it. But that tart of the
with the exception of official 'pothers, among ell those who measure his been passed over:in silence, and therefore lees
have spoken—with regard to the great qumtion of perils- justice her beon done to the bill i'l that respect than it de-
serves. (Cheers.) I feel 'mend in honour to me y that I
mentary reform. I do not my that there are no shags of cannot help approving that portion of the bill, and I mama
digmence upon k; but when we compare the opinions of I think it fa that respect en improvement on the meanies
those who are disposed to give the keast,:iind the opiates', winch was brought la in 1364, an/ to which I was myself••
at lout so far es they bees been avowed, of those who are L. 7..
hale with Thilitaillierya amyl
fnlig"gbilr,tl
deposed to giro the moat, they lie within such moderate and is nue with the extenameof toe franchise, makes up the
reasonable limits as to afford, one would have hoped, the while 'ill. I shall explain why I think the bill is trimly
very best prospect for an early and satisfactory settlement of framed
the t
respect. would reason is this i that I
the question. (Hear, hear.) In point of fact, I may von- think the bill of 86i infallibly, if at
had permitted its progress. to me a
tare to say that there is no diffeenoe perceptible (I do not t...but •
r eminences, hue gone to the dogs on account of the
speak of the particular features of the bill, but of the large home., of small boroughs which it would have dis-
armers] question of reform) between the speakers on the franchised. (Hear, hear.) That which happened before may
two sides of the house, and were a member blindfolded happens spin. I listened with attention to the speech of
the hoe. armee for Sanderictierho recasts am Cl the
during the debate, I would almost defy him to say „wed
...3a borough.
and 1 . h .. t .
speriewe may
from what quarter of the I'm" each edam. find much that throes' light on the future
progress of es-
bad come. It is recorded of the oldest traveller form. You may bring In a 11 to disfranchise 60 or 70 or
whore voyages are on record that he embed SO borough., but will not the members for these bornmbe
at • point so remote that he lost all power of judging of the be • sufficiently powerful section to enure the rain of so& •
bill I' (Hear, hem.) The bon. lumber for Sandwich has
points of the compass ; and that, it appears to me, is enthely .„.. u. h.,
notice of „bat
..„ be
expected. He .
w.u.g
applicable to the debate we have been bearing on the sub. e.
to join the noble lord in destroying the government bill, but
ject of reform, with the singular difference that, instead of he will not allow the noble lord to bind him end lay him on
its being et a point immeasurably remote, the foist where the atm. (Hese, hear, and laughter,) The boo. gentlemen
this difference is bet sight of is in the centre of the British distinctly let it out that if such • tbieg le done he will show
=eon why the borough he represents should not be
House of Common.. I could not help being struck with
bed. ln these 60 or 70 came of diafreschisernest
1 what fell from the hon, member for Birmingham on thin we shell Dave speeches from each member nosing why his
subject. He selected one of the addresses that had pee- mrtfoular borough should not be disfranchised, and though
ceded his for commendation, and three for-shall I say speeches may be single, the votes will be combined in a
ansthents, or for censure. The mooch he commeaded was trio". an
troduoed eadthht that ease Ire:att. become of o:eat=
the speech of • county member on this side of the house, tbe
I assets? (Hear, hear.) But there is more in the matter than
hem ronither for Doreetehlr• (Mr. Swirl), • gentlemen this, for if you proceed fir in the diatrauchisement of the
believe of unsuspected orthodoxy in his political tuner. mall bangles you will take a course which in my opinion
(Laughter.) The speethca which the hon. member for will be injunotte to the efficiency of the Home of Commons.
(Hear, beer.) You meet not consider the Criall of the electors
Birmingham e neared, wrch he said filled him with .1_1;3 a
motto,meetof this kind, but the
owee
of these
who
atealarm, were the speeches sad declarations of three likely to be elected. (Hear, hear.) And permit me to my
gentlemen sitting on the other side of the that in my opinion the time is COMO when, in the examine-
house. (Hear, hear.) He was alarmed at the speech of Mr. tion of any scheme of esteem it is of vital and capital ha-
Hon —he did not sty for whet particular Man; but I portant° that this meter should be held full In the view of
the Home of Commas. (Hear, hear.) The Reform Bill
conclude Incluse he cedezdni him " • d""dedY Gres en of 1832, allow Me to fey, has ad yet been fully sealed in this
' this mamba. (Loughtm) Re wea alarmed at the Wool, mom. (Hew.) During the twenty-seven year. that it
of Me. Herbset—l suppose became my right hem friend Ms been In mention that act ban gives gnat viper
main suggested, in one portion of that excellent speech, that to the main of the legielstive machine. And foe Wotan
that chamber, in the mind of the hon. member for Birmlng- or twelve years especially sitar U. peseed it embitited • info%
• purer, • circumspection, sad a sagacity such es le meld
ham, which ought to be supplied with • =tale nememe h. meek, to find . aqua , I, the hietety d *moths
for ancient Sedition'
t was leis well fursielted than all the assemblier. (Chutes.) But look to the advantage under
rest of that very remarkable mind. (lieu, hear.) He also which it was tried. It yes anew system. bet they wen old
comored—eUll sdheriog to that side of the house —the rage- statesmen who had to work It. (Hem, hear.) Look to what
~ Lord Msesulay says of the state of the Home of Commons
°le" lett" et Mc' Bin"- Theno think, 114
Ina clearly In the Teem of William 111. before the eyetem ma organised
wrong; because my righthon. friend, whose hospitalities are by which ministries ere,. constituted and maintained I. thee
proverbial, did In that letter prepare for his coastitnents a country. The House of Commons wee then an assemblage
magnificent banquet of reform, where it was droned in every of um sinespabb of forming • body working together. Why,
possible shape, but he concluded by expressing hie regret after the paining of the reform bill, instead of an aggregation
of units had you an organised whole capable of csednctigg
That, en sec met of the state of patio opiates,
, the affairs of this great empire ? It was because of the Tenor
they must not just yet lit down. ahnenrri) The stetesmen who have adorned the house, and who win reared
truth* that there is no substantial difference of opiate trace- from generation to generation under the operation of our old
able to differences existing in this house between political parliamentary eystem—of that race of whom I rejoice to se
parties upon this great and transcendent subject; and I con- that even after the lapse of 27 years a very co
nsldsnbfe
fees it le to me a matter of deep regret, that where there is number remain to adorn the benches of this house. (Clews.)
such union of sentiment upon the mediums of the matter at How were the men introduced to the House of Commons l'
isms, we should bearranged labiate* debate—(hear, bear)— I hope I may entreat the patience of the house. I am not
upon a question which tends to separate sad estrange from going to weary them with wearisome citstioue• but it is well
one another those who ere not separated by real, broad, con- worth while to show how these men ware first introduced
mentions differences of emblem and by whme united efforts into this house. We bare heard roue apologies fur mull
alone this great subject can be brought to • settlement. constituencies. I am not a great lover of small coestituen-
(Hear, hear.) I cannot help also venturing a remark upon cies—nor have I ever sat fur one—but they have attained the
the form of the resolution record by my noble friend. It great parpae of • representative proem in securing at e noe
le • remark which I trust will be in entire harmony both diversity and completeness. If you have only large popular
with the letter end the spirit of the proceeding. I bodies to totem inembereof parliament, I ant afraid that the
us entitle that my noble friend would have been popular bodies will ellow local interests to 'n-
th/ last to propose to this home any irregular molution, domes them—local interests will, I am afraid, upon
It may be regular in point of form. but I think exception the whole, prevail, and you will not find it pueblo
may be taken to it on the ground of general prudence and to introdum into this house through them the race of men by
convenience. (Cheers.) Tee rules of the house do much in whom the government of the country is to be conducted.
keeping the course of public business within legitimate (Hear, hear.) There are objection to smell borough., hut
bounds, but they also leave much dependent on the judgment they era, I believe, gradually disappearing under the im-
of the members of the house se it may be exercised from proved action of your lows and the increased improvement of
time to time. (Cheers.) I take It that there is a meaning public feeling. By small to he you introduce reeve/su-
b the roles of the house when they prefer, on the premete- tatives of equate intimate teat are set sport from the
tion of • scheme of k gestation in the form of • bill, that the great permaueet interests of the country. Great rumen of
first duty of the Douse 'hall be to Meress heel( to that civil wisdom take Burke enteif mime& es a elm of men with
schema as a whole, and, after giving its opinion en it as a regard to whom there is lees probability that theywould gain
whole, it shall then, and only then, proceed with the details. the suffrages of large and popular comeritaenci"then.n
(Hear, hear.) I do not enter into the question whither re- of a more active temperament'. Thew men of sagecmme tole
solutions ought ever to be moved on the second reeding of a but of retiring habits ere cot the Ferran whno are likely
bill. Deems to me impressible to exclude them altogether, and become candidates at • contested elee
Gem tion ithe best pa large and
of
the home would, in my opieim, be shorn of much of its minder cemeitueoey, but yet Ruch me , u rt
legislative power it it were to confine itself rigidly to eying the subetratum of the house, end contribute most esseetitielly_
aye or no to a meenre. Nor do I deny that there nee pre- to its efficietcy. (Cheers.? Home,' compels Me to It
II
indents of some kind which may be pleaded to • certain ex- the smaller description o breoughs, where from a_onrcetlist
tent is Flamm of the coeme of proceeding by resolution. But affection or recollection, load tradition,. or respect f
-
I venture to espies an opinion that this lo the first oormion winery of servers r eceived, or from admiration of great men
on which a resolution has teen moved on the second reading end gran qualities—if the constituencies of these borough'
of • bill, the purport matter of which consista simply in have not been willing to no smell extent to take upon trust
diming with certain portions of the bill, which pewit:tea the candidates . whom they may have retuned to this Dowse
might be dealt with in committee. (Hese, hear.) To that ontke recommendation of than gentlemen and noble lords
Went it appears to me it may be termed • novelty, and if • who may steed in immediate connexion with them? ("Hear,
Hear Mar." an . h " I dof that d "Ole, o . ) not complain o inter-
novelty, it is, in my judgnsmit, an inconvenient one. ( . ,
bear.) Per how see moistures of neassity frequently rtkptioa. I own that there appears to be some paradox in
framed? It Mari n nemeriery to combine in the same meseueeb: what I say, end that it the argument is to be bikes as it sp-
rat varkey of propositions,. the whole of which may be
tpitstirsttors
di it will
_ not stand. But practically we find
seeeseary to the Complete at. &Inman of the public L The real paradox le with these who will
are ptopsed by it. A portion of these may be highly poen- ellow no ingress into the home but one that is to be obtained
kr. wkow seethe, ran may be the subject of great through the suffregee of • lugs mess el voter.. (Hear.
noontar perjodies There would therefore be great tempts- hear.) The extesm ce aen of that you'd be that you would
liOne especially in • disorganised sate of political Prime have a dead level, which would destroy not only the
from time to time to select out of measeree—eme- ornament, but the force of this house, and which
cially when presented by the government—thee I do not fear to say would be ultimately fatal
portions which are unpopular, and to Insist on pro- to the liberties of the people. (Hear. lime) Allow
curing the judgment of the house on those unpopular wee, in explanation of my meaning, to give the cases of
points of the bill antecedently to the second reading. (Hew, em reh(emeo .dt„ boys been returned to ib,,, behee by ...if
bear.) I cannot conceivesoy practice mere inconvenient boroughs. Mr. Pelham, Chatham, Fox, Pit',Conning,
and MOM (ingenue and this enteldee•tion hr had Co small Pain. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Pelham entered the house fee
weight In bringing ate to the conclusion that I 'meet able to &ebonite 1719, at the age of 22. Chatham wee retiree): ls.
suPpert the hill—(ta hon. member: "The rewillatiort").4he 1736 for Old Sarum, at the us of 26. Fox is 1764 for to
resolutiou, though I say, say also the bill, will
I al
mad in
be rem. (" Heir, hear,' end • laugh.) fad WOO bound 21. meanies in 1793 fig Newport, at 22; and .
to ray that I think my noble fraud has on this occasion ban 1809 for Cashel, at 21. Here ere tit men,
_every
subjected to • weft of imputation which he dose not dm me of whom was a leader is the. home. I
serve. (Hear.) It is said he made • factious motion. Meer, these men becaue they wen young. and
bear.) It It he factious it is bad and ill chosen far the Put- the menthe of tbeir 011111011 am now retire no invidiousbe
can-
pose, tenon taking the principal exponent, of the resole- nions. I do not hesitate to say that they were not manned
tion—the two noble lords who sit cpposite—they frankly an the handfed yens, that preceded our own day. (Hear
avow that whilst they concur in the resolution they Mar in bear.) Every eve of them was a leader of the house—almost
the step that is immediately to follow, and of those who every am of thorn ma, a prime minister, sod every ens of
'poke on the tame aide some ranked themselves with the one them entered lorlineent tor one of.
those boroughs where m-
end tome with the other. The noble lord the member for fifteen of different kinds prevailed. Every one of them
Tiveztoc explicitly stated to the house that he supported the might. indeed, after making proof of his abilities, and after
resolution not for the purpose of getiog rid of the bill, °Wining a lest la this home, have choose to* for open

reart;tuesciee Many of theca did re,. Telbean nieaseore; tt at •• Ma enemies fed when they sew his ham
Peewee tor the rest of Me Mc. Chatham never Dieted armour Flemming in the shael:.- My how. Weed
aat
retiemosed en oleo ceneittueacy. Fez after harm (tad h, ie the immleawan who has
t.lbe
atlas Mellitus became the &ow %V nof erlaine,. r. r.ir, I. et fled when 4,
b. pew hi. ow. ~... .. and,
hum Appleby, VAS ch.e.s bEllwg CanCanreify of C eralei.lo. leughter.) 1 .roly refer t r the eubje et to r: r Mats Of
C•1110114f, after Mt royeating Neap el, r.e. 'shined by LiVer., perlemest my wedo.les it -, skie kwe era likely i.e mt. If
1.... I . ead I'. el, after tow...betties Gabel, was founts% feer tie flittiAlle .la.u'd b. withdrawn I I clew, It will be a ref►
the te iv. rstl ~1 OafonL Whet wag gbe .. ow with n ..• •ri (attune f.r es all, eseei hatly my hoe. hind the tn. veer far
t . Sir It. 1'... lie beet bie test for the Ceirereity le 01- Birotiaptaeto, wlc. be. fr mhly avowed tIM he Cr tee whit
t.r.l . II 6C, Itat 4 a OeSPeirptluta.dlf..resre ccentlijoe. We re. 1 the sillt,tioti t, be ,ttl„4o.
.t ,„ .t. 0
,fl, .7, hear.‘ Ism
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hip:! Lrwrm.llb.w..mth ir.!,al4 Wore

t o the •theawat. (Oh, ooh ) The bra. root'. inn, I
is, .1011, it or an avantat•-••••.at. What I *hurl Lots •
sr, woo that they oral tsar bra boo to Pte
It., osir p nand at that mowed (M. or ) In Westbury
lie ',wad * erf tins. Mr. Canting did wt hmee the rotor
.4 Lirerpal, tut he ford it moors coholurao t, the
publie bonne,. that he atiord tetiro from reprootstint ttot
11,641'. MO be levave tha nthreveetatice of • imall bar .ugh
,hoe net of Italie. Writ does all this row ) It th.ows I
th.ot by mosso .4 di iv -mall barrette your men of talent
are introits. .4 istoo fhb ruse who are sot ray an troves( I
t o the boor hot a emelt to the merry; sad ores, wit. who
tM gave palatal' palm le the hour, might to tore bor
et.; vet by the larder sad open I.ll.rit envies of the curter.
It errs to lolotool that whatever other striersgeo hale
otorted the istiodurkh of parliamentary retest,
no. oof the great craps litre by
lorroddivs ortois VMS, shod it arneenvl Ito.* meas.
al mere., into the, hire whi; h previously reined.
(Ilea, best.) What throe would them be sow
of • young rah of 21 or 22 yora of age Sadist/ hie wry fro
llore of Commas? It le ant too much to sty that
soot on of time as. wren I hove mordirmed might have
one sa M P., hod •I twat teen b'r the moor of arc••••
the bon, that thn• exietad—berwlaa yet mad r vale I
Shod all tree strotloren ono croon member* of pertfament
whom they wets 21 or 22. What the ere now . I gnat,
you have an rawer as for r • small sad
limited !IMO of proms id noteernel. !reed, give
me the brie Ina dukedom me as earldom, or the erns of
renewal polestar, end I pain there wtU be airy* once.
ha sass 04 art o low to dr House of Cramer, and I true
that ma Melleittfl• which may los prible will eared. those
tram that adtahtsae. I cahoot but rej sire to see irons to
clan. an mach 41451 our rooter. (Home, hoar )
(loses of the sent direistrunted going men is tb• bore on
of that etre. Rat what erre word tree be rd retort
young men *W4I by large ertnetilunizies? What ernes
writ ober be new r 4 Me. Cumin having • seat is shot
bore if ha dopadel merely wpm territorial
Wirer ° I do mss lore whet chasm Mr.
Yon, or hi. 1.41. n• A,r RAM Pest h•as how
If the. doprodo4 no tend 44.1 Isibrarso. Largo sal populous
ermiturvir will MA rotors hop; but rye will tos as. ;
sad it you or to bare • furors of pod men la tr. ruse '
you moo hare Iran retuned while they on bays. (Cheer.)
The nutrias to *bleb all thin reds in that it is • rater
a sor•art impetrate orals, volt should pat with thre orbs
gram of the mood boroughs? (Merl I ma sr arguing this
Ise re gory or thoottee,Lut as. waiter of pasties zporrry.
Han this ors bon idp opera Atha.° le it tat
to this tor more of grad streamer thr mode known that
we out theory...ire of purer troths, sal tho
Iran an • durable fradotrat• I \now this N. tow
nitre as satiotowstri eubjart—(har, bear)—bat m why their
which an old are shoo pod. (Ileir, bear.) There worker
rear lot only no, owe tradlioa, bat Cal of our rholdten
to 'lwo lot .t p. levity. II thin ramie to he • mpersatstivo
of the diarre MI priseiple• spdrase of the salon that
has bees reared by the 'naiad rare of the marital
oyster. we atoll do as rare tad impoll is tbisg dwe
.no of the cooly .spyly boom wroth (with the ere OM of
the adltat so peva sad par pewter:es)) the lower
sod vigour of the orient ens be boobies.' ism tide haw,

en as 1.; bootee available fee the p&.4. gewgaw I this/ all
thew c ersobiesione us neer Cr gokag on with the resent
bill. It «row to sno very thug le to be said elan I core
to egwiseeet ite she para. ale edwintegee to to de &nit from
the tersairlon proposed by ay Ronk haat I gas steely
at a lee ; I hes. whin( el thee, awl thereat, hate
nether, to say. I e isargler how his paste a wilt a
saw say be as er hie ,to.. Week' worse t, as,ner
gibbered ra the aerate( Jeer he .hilt hays echkerd like
artierpli .04 theeeed to He chime stib which the liwisiga
wJI be 'mist He heti 1101191116 Opliirall ea to the emery
tr. moister sad the berengli franchise. bat hoe he eet seen
her the /ease thee If the bell es to peencity gen
ed OurTIOI ,7007 MO el then late eget f if the
esealetom in which le hoe unhealed his opiates is carried et
all it will be rattled by •enallred a odersto nejorily, whereas
if he lied gone into eortimitue os rho bill the ggewirea
arrow the defreneigerweerst d the ftweholders would be
espeortel y eery ass ra Shot eide of she hoses sad by
=my ea this, PO bib with leered to the !owning el the
tertregh seams.. The reganti e, bribed o. Wily exhibit •
lag the egraione of she Ifeescoffrrea.ex will exhibit tau

lii-mry gime disadvantsgo. (Hen.' hear.) Tbe very Fear I
sbamploo awl martyr el the egisios it puts Seib, the right
hos. mombor for the Unimniry of Cambridge, will go rte
Om lobby ageism the soble hid, mid oppose to °spore Ills
with h bo elelas pewerlyl.llloss. inear.t When
my mile M.sd was mead why be did not mac against lb"
se yell media.,' Lie mower made. was afraid be would be
rent sod charged with wa grebe • bill to give
• 10i hoselthe suomae. If his °Meet woo to escape us- I
joss criticism sad moil I ma em. M lea sot anweeled. '
(Hew, hoot.) If he ailogee raids el m ape from hl. flit-
&sky liv his manse will is Ware time. be add • vre7 ,
hod sw of by skid/4 out Swarm of • bill that are sol bed
but utplislw r resin es b r sot outing simians th" oreond
coding. dot elm Mto follow ibis Nrising! Of that
boos "my tittle. It apposes ty me that If wit its n d p.m
Ow ea °lobos. oboes lobo am in Lvov of it will
be warm if Has "bastion, owl will bare ss es.
Ira etsary wastrel is favour of thole Sena Prom tlici
ea most of my right bow. Mead the ?fret Lied of the
Admiralty. lbws will to in obstacle to our promoding
Is commis's to supra* oar jadgasest as to the extension of
the estrags. If we do sot pro the terolotios we are sure to
gois the .jeers eostruslated by it—((h or. hear)—cad *beak
tM cbsage is the bill my o al. Mead deader*. Ass Ir.
squally mess if we do gars it ? (Haar, best.) Un!ortuostcly
it ;km sot met witb us to decide what is tbo scat step to be
takes. My Loa. friend lb" somber for Dbroiagbarn isys.
t• Dig a hoS rte h.P., bury the Lill, sad hullo sp tb•
irmstion." Dig • hots sod bury Ike bill—my !bat. Meal io
on authority on the gotta, as be bawls mon? Mos
thy one elm ea sit diouing holm and lonia(
Lino. (Cheers sad laughter.) With noprrt to bud-
dlMg up the mieetios, my hosourable Irked mole
sub so mach touts n wad r:reunag cellos tau meek Oat it
yea imi.....stde to see what be woe set. (Hem, bear.) I
keened with very moat atiesiion, but 1 {mkt sot rw Why
bs should be so muds *Seined bet qurstien be hivldled
• ; we are apt going to rots by toilet on the sixth night of
the debate, sot the eighth or aitith lb, diorites', ra of it.
question. Wino Ma 'precise., aro reporiel by rte or 1, or
MIN, by mile, sod whreet by the an lino is there say
bbelibo Id of
traisesti being bueldlA up in *country
misers stub ky is \apply esthlished ? There lo so
Sear of bedd vig spate macaws them la frac of a prolonged
agitation. (Hear, haul Ido out m. in the noolution •

. e.., ;ure wb.lter tbr.e arc 1; • Jur t , but that i* the
. .

_ —.-
hafweet c I drew from hit lanruage. (Hear,ar, ) I am
Li ot ittoiroud that this .` .otim should toe ft aka.. I
rosette is the meta in the oi ctprecel by my
motile friend, tut I can g.. along with Lim on
this mains I mesinlar this Is • golden oppoetn-
oily of oettllor tie weak. ; bat if wit ►t it PUP, can',
any maa tr, I t what will Le tie moult? (shoe, d ar.)
%re we to Laic Mia noritito aritatrd pear ante year?
(tit or, bon.) Atter the somber. I nieocridpos it la Wpm.
able tut this 'hit character of peril moot will gutter if every
oh. mote year as are to have a promise of a reform
• oct in ovary rho year lad! a Lili Mtrodace I
soil Ltowtht talon. the cointty to occupy the homes wish the
do.utinh nof orn. c osmotic chswee. With all ours realtil
—mid I belles' no scambly is the w. rid can transact fle•
*Aro. ollotoollLt ..ILo.letrae—yet with oil that *crow 14, stable tbe
vd-tc,rs of our martian such the accumulat tal of ten i write,
such the divinities of tat sot among the subject' of the
Qoem, that with all our capacity the buslarsa moot fall into
Amor. It mull be moot usfurtaasts and molt lejorloos
—say, scab* leas than diegrandol—if our "tilos waste
tat psneysid, set I names of any weakens., but bowies we
wore occupied with thin guartion year idler year. Toe eon-
'tont recurrewr of thia minainu wood be a pet of of an un-
hi althy sluts of the public mini. Even so individual cannot
ha con.toatly watching his health without injuring ft. It
would More a most unwholesome elect if the lineation of
the country were to be commetly direr test to an alteration dour
huattot Oar ins' col of doter our duty here. I feel it coy deny to
Rive that rote which may kid to • settlement of the que.ton.
I agree with toy hon. Mewl the member for Birmingham
thou we ought to approach thin mrestioe in • sprit
of trust la the people. (Hoer, hem.) And I would es-
treat him sot to ino hid Clamors to delay the with meat.
In the vote whirls I *hell Kivu, I shall vote without regard
to the roveromest, without regard t. pair. (Hear, bear.)
I teat is the remarks I have made. I hard Riven no offenoe
to aayoae. I Mall vote is the negative of the reclutiou,
to raw o I believe by I h st vise freshen beet discharge the ditty
Mawr' dot on us se chief among.t Mg guerillas. of the
• tarotitsti a and ado" Wallace of Me British people.
(Loud chow.)
Mr. MONCREIFF said It ma tomocible not to see
that the Wil was act, a• crow staggeged, .loers framework
on which the hooey eau to operate; but that it we fowadod
urea • Wadi:ea., sad the matters referred tm is the new
Wks were not iodated, but lay at the Clry root sad foun-
dation of it; that, with them. it would so lower he
the gmenteteut memo. He found in this bill, for
the first time is • me ware of reform, outdoters apcialty
provided foe, the object hithevo Imolai been to
TWO Ft t ?WWI" t popular opubc; on the we head,
the popular element wa. diminished, sad on the other, as
nahmited poem was Introdsoed of triaging to Lem the
winks of Mom who was sot coaartel with the loeslity.
• idea of • uniformity of frawkise, ho iodated, was as
entire Chaim. Timm wads. analogy tetwees the mealiam-
doss for IL. nanny and the borowh freniibiee, which had
been sad might to be diff!mat. This wifonnity um so
priarip's—it was • meat mined/we. The till lad hem
thoity award ; the result of it we that it sot oak" dll not
ends the rusetioa, hat it dealt with first ;riptides in • re-
Marra& .prit.
lir. ROBBRT who spoke from the Walsbe-

preb&toloty of my edit whatever, except that of retarding
the mithment of the quentim. ebeere.) If wo
CAM get into committee I arace with the right
boo .unable member for Strom I that ere may out I
and slash it.. toll, irre.ixceins of the feelings of throw who
lair mimel it. (Hear, ow.) I do not mean to say that u•
could pits the bill it wen lattoduced. la my individual
opinion it cosines matter which would fully plenty • vote
ageism it on W seomd reading, but a ramie of pubs duty
and • anemia ratios of the rounqutu. es of an &deem vote
sow witbLotd me I would salt the noth lord the member
Tient m if, after what he ler hoard since be sat clown, he
le *till of the °Oahe he &noncom' on evading the revolution.
I oh him with t • • more eratidears, in I know that by the
rules of the boon he maim tell me—(`t hear, hear," and.
lanchtee)—hut he hal ea admirable it., round him, who
wall bo able to speakfor him. He said he would give a vote
Inv the reeolutln, but told the govenonwet they ahou'd
still go on, sad make pennon with the bill.
Its erase t.. make thom hae the meant pall.), Wane, who
were chained t the non. He hen arra be.. odd by the
gasmtunnot that the but wW sot be carried win the .veal
.1 our peering the r.. lu inn. (filar. beta) We meat
ih,lll4lore aleallar whet elm ma bed a.. I regard it u t is
the noirmt of the government hut is the intereet of reform.
The Interim of this gOVOlasest, or of say ;martin:omi, le of
small weight la with ibis. I think my right
hos. friend its tssmkrferCsmb.Hiye raiveMty went ratter
too far whim be said Lied Kelewahary bed a noitated
England the mediate of liartp• I think my tight h' n
friend gave bee wane • caber in his langarae; it weedleta.e4
not ty a &Hied, radiciel bele, bet by therm of friend.hip.
I centre p that lamb. I am gonad et Lerd
Msleneeliary Ism thing be has does and this,.
he lose ant dam I brae they pwarameat formed st the
pto.est se ewat matt be based oder a heavy stem of
fmtmonlelity, b ab wish retard to reform sod with regard to
geoids *for; hot Led Melmagebery le ass the oily mss
&LB and tai ins to pewees towel. I treat that saber bee
wb thew Me will etwteed ho wetishashleg a annals
peer, hat t de eu they ma.. monist. the Irma. evils whlth
are it. hal snore of th• pv.• nt end a•rtmetest, sad which.
so kW' so they MO tit nonfat. .1, unit r.mdtve the mos
soul.. 10 00 •renteste (Meta, tea,) Tate, sir, Is
BM • .tuesti. a of re rrnweet it to • goeet..itt el the satiates
the p rpl.. !file tie. doting is tarried the bill srel
go ft& one in the fwd. of the prevent lob%
Oen, s t h.iptee f le pediment to be itetael, The
flees t,...set rye that i. Tote impeemtle, but se he Yr
bins an- nt ia vas ratlittitin, I may .rotate t doubt Wm
iirtgim.nti►ia.Ta. r,neattest taialtit traits, but I do
wm think • restiselina at this Neseenit would rostra:ate to
• melt m.o. .Ithetyseetle. ( H. se, Imar) The, le, Weed,
&amber alrarranee, • is a. loom but with stoma reference to
the mete off inn offers to allow the hill L. fir with •
promise .4 another memory at MO, future time. no. nast
stop. minima/only, will so. lie .a or Ittin,ta, la, In tbs. of
the Cheered*/ et the Et•hisiser sad hie atilt- ipso, who
in I ~ that. ova iatT.T 4. I Whew we shell do wisely
while the farahor le is t or travels, we keep is
rd, by eseetishig the reslutin. plan oetsehree
la • peettlwa to fettle the past' a. (If came
the 'av .asses. sey lather realer sow di•solve, bet watt foe
the meals of • ammo 'twit. The rush will be the per, the
pest plea evil ea te.tpassmeat of this eusetlest. (User,
UT.) A hem& sum's ea the eventairat hes teepatly has
stseted, hat el ea the aseeplimealle paid to the avenue at,
ha.. twee ass* ems elapse with the act et the he. mem-
ber fie Haseetseie (Mr. O. asealey). He predated • melee
wf 811•Weeti.. IBMS ho a Nelda seatlepory be would
tine. • ti.te of woad el imagine*. He pat that tat et la
see tatliedseatery tiller sad withdraw it the hest
(.6Aere)--d thief, a rely shoot Mk
" Ores teat teal,' hate fete, segue slits eon tient,"
Tk• woes/ Stan Itb bras,

rill Me, eel barfly say °nil who ad *polies nu that ode
strewed eu.irrly 1 approve of the tilt, end bs must soy
oboe term s us. We of it to wltlch he luiste4 Monody ob-
jemed. It. mak, faits,'. were uniformity sad tbe Metres-
etabssomt of the 40e. hesbekbes ; sal be objerbst to both.
As rtgerded the mowed weitsrwity, be thought ft.* egret
of it would be Mal the freschisee would rum hove to be
sal farther lowered. If be es tad that s sat.
form IW. &maim would be warted in rountittis be ow-
&okay should sot woe for the serand reading; bat se Way
bed 4=4 It le the fleristery V) the Treasury (8 r 6. Nati-
one), Ann the Moments of the Ezeitequer, sad tram the
Pius Lod of the Admiralty, tbst sorb opreetwas would be
opts •611 beidenition, be should rote its femur of tbe
mum! mayo. (tHem, bear.)
Mr. WESTHEAD trusted the gweernatmet
fellteg isto the swam of Weir Tleresotm of Illar staid
slkiwieg tbemirlves le be Waled isle ism He risme-
Mord the merggended slams whit lb elseeems• of that
day Wolfed is spas the esbnet of tbs 10/. humbles; tb.y
lusookl ibe tall of the sennereby, it • disruptoon of We ma-
ritutisu from it. Now, .let wen the (woe? U. ealkd

the serration., the right bon. g albinos °pollens espectalty
tbas, is the hope ebb they would bens by experience.
Race that dote the country had bees more orderly than
1111 R. to IMO to greet assinlag maid rake place without
endsagering the public parer. Let the house See what
look plate sow. TM lion. umber for Hinsiagioani bad
ben a/heroin great mortiego all over the comatry, sad sot
Ore dirtmeteree bed taken pleb throughout the Isla. semi
bee tear. He wt. hiewelf bibbed that as the pan bad
been so bald the future b., if • far measure of retina were
gibs. The gereenameat rhoeld tear In mini that
ma kora the Iwo, wee refired the greater the
fermi would be. Usdsr three circuaratances be bit
it to be hie duty to give his vote for the resolution of the
noble lord the member for L Wish What would he the re-
sult e 4 the veer the hums* bight give he blew mot. He f r
ens chasm greenly worn the circatuebace if it were bilowed
by the nttresest d .he boreal goveramarat. The existing
ansitry hat brought lambi many good IDPS4III.I ; they
tad (Willed their donee in that bowie • lib dieringuirbed
ability ; sad tb.y bad in their pries.' traroutiou of affairs
given • satisfeerion which sae tilt throughout the
courery. (Hear, heir.)
Maier ZDWAMDS said that, after the beg sad able
debits which had rakes place. be should dot .in the lieu.
but for • very few Waste.. He would remind th., borne
that they bad ere idy had two belle boor. t rehire them
by the noble lord the member fir Ipadur, both of which had
failed ; they had elan had the I-minim to • bull by the nobk
lord doe member for Tivert•n, bat that ineeenno had never
own the light. Under there elrtiortnacee the bet on was
ander a• °Agatha to the government for the preen IA sau-
cer im whkii they had introduced the sweeten hill. To every
Mall of that hill he e iold mot give his entire assent, bet to
it. lode realise It wee a towsware of entst h hie appeioed, end
he ihould tot only vole ageism the noble meolution but
ehteld give the o aced reeding of the bad Lie support lie
approved of the large iambs of voter. who-h its different
proviihnes would mete. lie did not commit in the uniformity
of the beinehlae ae a mine 4ile, tut be looked upon that it lha
present bill an an accident. He would remind the home of
the tacit st .tement of the bon. vitiator for Sheffield (Mr.
fibbed) with ri ward tu the perils which would blend a
chaage of mioi.try at the pet seat time. For bit ova pert
be should, if this ten ilation were retried, arm bin right hen.
friends t t appeal to the enure ry He should Ink forward to

inch en any 41 with confidence:To that (the geverntetw) side
of the boom it would bring so harm, and to thee) liberal
ortabers eh, sat below the gangway it would perhaps being
little those ; bet of the Ong party It would cause the uttrr
anailailstion. (Cleves sad laughter.)
Id r. COLLIER should ore againgt the w road reading of the
KU Mesas he believed that, Sneed of being a settlement
the refer= questias, it would only delay an 4 endutgee it.
He b limed that a peat sival. bed ban made in estimale
lag the Gelb, of the people of dila mummy. The people ked
bides t t been not epetheeic, but tranquil, became they ha
Mod the promiee made that a reform Lill should be OE,.
dead. They believed now that it had sot been iatredated;
bat, Atha ugh there bed been a soot deal ofragitatico Is the
country, they Lad bees on the whole ado, WWII, OW
believed that the 110114 of Coto. ma would reject the
rem resent bll and give them a paper measure of reform.
The bill had been called a shot at I a &Immo, but if be
were inc•ined ti borrow the Flom .4 St. Gilor'e, with which
the Icon• d eolontor-lieneral ...retied to be no lantelisr—(ok
th)—yes wet th hos. sad learned geotleman who heal
intmdand the slang when be cul:til the resolution a dodge.
He (Kr. Collier) called the gov. raiment Lill a dodge brought
forward to support a certain petty, sod not to amend the
I represented, n of the people. He should support the MON.
ton Lemure I, g.tived the bill, and stated a reams ire its
sepsis action, and be bed no fear of ice appeal to the
country when the governmest and their 101 l hal akeady
y been tried and cooderneed. (Hear.)
Sir L WALSH mid that 'beetroot of the Reform Bill bed
be a so reface parka eatery (wee. natett ti a chow, and at
that moment a "overuses& wee ailioinietering satin whisk
alt a majority of the bower is its tenor. Os the
robs side there were ao many shades of dilative
AM they were 'steely enable to act together or to
emanate a government. These were great cod rows,
deist@ ; they were lowering the Mitten. of the country st
berg., sad r•ppirg the Soundiatitas al perliamentray vows-
mat. No toll could be moredneed which w.mld remedy
these defect. et tee, but the bill of the government wag of
each a moires. c character w t i give the Lest hope of meet-
leg the difficulty. There was no I el* against it is the
costey, sad he tl.ought that it might lead to a settlement of
the questi .n. There sues a dispeettion on both aides to arrive
at such a settlement ; wee it wise, then, to auppoot a molar
tiro which would rattler ouch a settlement impossible? Lord
Paberresoo bad expressed his shone doln to me the quest
Ike mold; bet the teanifea sleet of the roulades being
serried would be to fare the government t i abandon the
bill. No gaisielry with soy spirit could accept mob a res
Wen the tesolution out of the woe, and the bill M
committee, the "neonates* would do all they (said to as.
ciliate sad meet the 14111111 of the gentlemen opposite.
Kr. 0. STANLRY rem sl mg with about twelve other
members on Cm opposition side, which occasioned much
• nitswar. He wished te espies& why he bed gime motet
of a vote of cantatas sad withers. n It ianneSislaly. Lord
St.nlsy had clearly intimated what the iINIEGNIII a the
government *es; bat the sneosediug Blankets ea the
In wary brawl bed endeavoured to obliteeate that implode&
This LISS wt, be oticipated a repetition of the memo per-
med me the trills Boll; end foe the sake of presetting Mk
end *ph...Slag iltorrecter of public Men (a
he 1=12.:
bed given e of hie resehrtion. It was a
NMI of tb,t4t• wham a government wee sot ebb le
I say Ile elm aweeses (Hew, hew.) Aeon dyer he bed
Masi his weirs ea the paper, Mr. WhineMe, eroaded
thereto by the speech ot ,or Pahewebes. bad dr
elated ?hot the fete of the t and of the
btL would depend en the nee a W how en die 10011144111.
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tsmtloa whether die hew bed adadanse la the Waft.
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freemen, and having teen how well they exercised the
franchise, ha had no fear of extending the Ramis to work-
ing wee, both in the town and counties. The proposed aye-
tam of yetis, papers 11W.4 lacrosse the dared for the
Least, sad he hoped that tasllet *odd lone a pert of Oa
moms of miens that might be aerie& (Hear, hear.)
Mr. If ACAULAY said be approved the policy of the bill,
sal condemned that of the reeolui ima on every ground.
He treated that no hon. gentlemen *odd vote for
.the emulation le the hope that it would at all soften the
&spoil., which the hoe. gentleman (Mr. Bright) eppeared to
entertain both fie the existing constitution of the house and
for its coo- etc ion as proposed to Lo amended by the noble
lord. (Cheers.) Ile (Mr. Macaulay) thought that the
principle of the b2l was, In the main, good. That principle,
with regard to the borough freeholders, was simply
that the owner of thud property In boroughs should be ea-
tided to clothe himself with the character of a borough voter
in respect of that properly. In 1832 great changes were
properedowledy with a view to the effect they might
possibly have on elections. Al the right honourable
pat'eman (Mr. Ellice) had mid, Earl Grey refuel
to let borough property confer • borough vote, bo-
nes, hs thought that the borough freeholders would
form an important liberal element in the county elections.
(Hi sr, hear.) The right boa. gentleman bad, however,
attempted to give a different though not • very consistent
colour to the {repeal, for he said that the conearvativee
wt re not only de-Cous of abstracting an important liberal
element from the etiunti.ti, bat at the samo time of imposing
a cosiervative element upon the town. (Hear, hear.) The
right hon. geed* man had made a shadier objection te the
primer measure, and argued that while to withdraw the
borough Pecholdeta from the counties would be to withdraw
front them their pureet and moat independent °lemma,
yet to add that element to the borough franchise
would be to swamp them with a landlord interest.
(Loud cheer_) He believed that the borough free-
bolder. would wykrstand their position far better than the
right hon. gentleman, and that they would by no MNs
accept the description the right hen. gentleman had given of
thew. (Hear, bear.) He (Mr. Macaulay) should certainly
'mese the revolution, and in doing so he should have this
advantage over hem. gentlemen opposite. Ile should know
what he was going to vote against ; whereas these bon. gen-
tlemen certainly did not know what they were going to vote
for. (Lend cheers.)
Mr. MELLOR congratulated the government on having
at Last found an bon. gentleman who woe able to speak in
favour of their bill. The government hest given them no
&it:folic, positive, absolute pledge that they would be ready
t. adopt the views of the house with regard to the different
portions of the bill, and, therefore, be had no other course
than to support the rosolultre.

Clot Ox3reoo.

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lie. (7.- HARDY in defending the bill, mid it
had been assumed that the result of that die-
cession would be that the government would be placed
in a minority. Be that as It might, they had tried to
settle thin greet question, and it would be non
that they would not accept &resolution which wee as union
to them as It was unsatisfactory to the country. The right
boa. baronet the member foe Carlisle mid he would not &e-
-goism from the hours that he had • band in framing
' the resolution. He mutt Rey he recognised the subtlety
of the band In the resolution—(sheen and laughter))—
and, much as he respected the candour of the din
clown, it wee unneeen xy. (Laughter.) He trusted
that the Forty to which the tight hoe. gentlemen the
amber for Wiltshire (Mr. 8. Herbert) belonged would con-
eider carefully what they were about to do. He hoped
they would consider that if this bill wire rejected the
house would hereafter have to consider another bill
hone, other authors proposed wider preseure, after exciting
sneak had teen made to the pinions of the people. (Hear,
bear.) It might, pt chap, be said that hoe. members on that
side of the house would by the introdoetim of this bill have
enenaltted themselves to the support of • future one; but,
satheugb they bad shown • &position to writes ea far as
passible their Windiest opinion., it did not follow from that
that they woad be prepared to support the ntingomffrage
measure et the b-n. member fur Birmingham, or veto by
ballot when proposed by the hon. member for Finsbury.
The bon. end leveed member for Yarmouth (Mr. Mellor)
taunted hen. gentlemen opp mite with inconsideney in hav-
ing voted for the resolution proposed at the time of the intro-
duelion of the Coonareey Bill last year, now objecting to the
resolution of the sob!. lord. The former nnoletion had
nothing to do with the bill; it wee a re wilution of
rescue; se such they voted for it, and hr would add that he,
for eon wee prepared to consider the law relating to ronepi-
racy skinner the subject might be properly brought for-
ward The carrying of this resolution would be
a precedent which might be followed on other erasion' of a
simlller enure; and let that section of the house to which the
right bon. member for Witte alluded recollect that by siding
is Is they would put a snip to one of the greatest enfren-
chiseeseets ever tittered to the country, and that the result
would probably be to drive them hereafter to take shelter
ender the whey of than who now sat on the Treasury
beach, who would then be celled upon to protect them from
tbe reeks and anlmeheo which were being hurled down
upon them by the radii-aloof that house. (Ministerial cheers.)
Me. J. D. FIT ZG ER ALD thought would be mon &wee-
ous is pane a bed bill, which, Waned of satisfying the ciuntry,
MIA Iced to further agitation. (Hear, hear) The Attorney-
Oeneral for Ireland had celled the resolution of the noble lord
the =thither for the City of London a " muddy " revolution.
Now, he (Mr. Fitzgerald) emplaned it clear in its language,
and no absolutely true, that he was surprised say
sitting that (the oppondoe) aide of the
row:: en
could von simian It. If the government
were not prepered to extend the (much's. In
boroughp, he was prepared to vote foe the resolution, eves
although the consequence relight be the defeat rf the bill.
But if the rest lot-on should he corded be did 00i see the DO-
amity of an ate lute defeat of the measure, and thought
there would be no difficulty in voting for a new bill °attain-
ing the on:month n in the resolutim. or going into committee
to make the met:eatery alterations in the peanut bill. It the
government were determited to opine the propositions em-
hotbed la the resolution, he should consider it his duty to
vote against the bill. (Hear, beer.) There was one point
on which be trusted the government would give some infor-
mation before the else of the debate, and that was as to their
Intention with regard to a Reform Bill for Ireland. (Cheers.)
Ile should like to ask, int, whether they wen to have a
Mono Bill al all; anti if en, yea the occupation county
theochiee to be maned It He also desired to to (stormed
whetter there eras to be any alteration In the occupation
fruchise in town., He did not press these question. from
an y bittern.s of ftelimr, bed became without more definite
leformatien en then pints Indict not me how bon. members
mold come to soy definite conclusion on the course which
they should pursue.
Mr. DV CANE moved the adjournment of the debate.
" fir D. NORItEYS thought that the debate might be eta-
, tinned toossofr iw. (Cries of „No,, "Go on," and "Ad-
journ.") Really, if this were not done, he did not ece how
the debate was to el we en 'I huredsy.
- - .

Mr. LINDSAY raid that there were mealy aisle men like
himself who droired to speak. Ile thowtht that the debate
aught not to close as Thursday.
Mr. CoLarse and Mr. .1, local alto laytested ag.tinst
darkest the dels'e as Thursday.

Sir PAK INGTON said that it would clothe conernitot
to wijouro the drboto to Wednesday. In the Abstr.° of his
right hon. fnood the Chancellor of the lizettequer, he could
not gin any uodertak.oir to Mod hie right hon. hided.
The house would do his right bon. friend the juetios to admit
that he had shown no dintsition unduly to cut short the &-
bete. (Hear, bear.) If on Thanday it appeared that there
wan still many boa. members to speak, be bad no doubt his
tight hos. friend would endeavour, as be bail done, to meet
tie wishes of theism*. (Hear.)

Lord J. RUSSELL thought that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer hal showed a far desire to meet the wishes of
the house. (Chewy.) When the right hon. geetkoten
spoke of en erinagement to con, lode on Thursday, there
seemed to be a general impression in favour of that arrange-
ment. But e• Thursday than would be an opportunity of
judging as to the number of boa. members still dedrous to
speak as this subjeet. It was, no doubt, en important ate,
sad one ea which hon. member, might naturally desire to
address the boast. He thought that the matter might he
safely Wt In the hands of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer. (Cheers.)
After a few words frets Mr. P. O'Brien, Mr. Cox, and Mr.
Griffith. the &bete wee adjearaed to Thursday.
The Panetta for leiveuttosa (Munitions of War) Bill sad
the Common Rights (War Department) Bill were reads third
time end plaid.
The house adjourned ate quarter before I o'clock.

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LONDON, WEDNBSDAY, MARCH 30.

AFTER the many able and exhaustive speeches
which have been made in the present debate, it must
be owned that it was no easy matter for any one,
however gifted as a Parliamentary rhetorician, to
occupy the attention of the House uninterruptedly
for the space of an hour and a half, without resort to
any of the customary expedients for the revival of
flagging attention or wearied spirit. Yet, without
indulging in one phrase of sarcasm, or appealing to
a single prejadioe or passion of his hearers, Mr.
GLADSTONE last night succeeded with his accus-
tomed ease in fascinating the audience he addressed,
and, let us frankly own, in presenting the appa-
rently threadbare subject of debate in some-
what of a new aspect. We differ from
the right honourable gentleman in much that
fell from him, and we are unconvinced by
the reasons he has assigned for the vote he is about
to give. Bat it is impossible to peruse the ingenious
and luminous strain of argumentation with which he
favoured the House on the momentous subject before
it, without feeling not merely admiration for the

Mr. Roebuck bas given notice of his intention to
Shove SS as amendment to Lerd John Ituarell's proposed
antendrasat, to loom oat all the words alter " °pintas," bi
order to add the word., "that, for the gaidaase of this home
in the framing of • bill to amend the representation of the
peop:e, It is expedient to proceed by a eat lel of resolutions,
affirming the prluoiplea oa which such lvgiolation should be
based, sad defiaing with precision the new franchises to be
crested, the inlagement or extension proposed la regard to
frasehisse now exiting, and noshing ouch further amend-
ment. es may le deemed mouisito.*
UPIANIMITI OF JURTES—DITISION I.f TILE llorsit
ne Loans.—The followiog pare voted is the minority last
evening r Lord Campbell's " aeries in Civil Camas Bill,"
by which the opinion of three-fourths of a jars is deft
mums was to be accepted ss determining the verdict :—Bari
—Amherst, Ellenboroagh, Orsaville (teller), Grey. Lords
—Campbell (toiler), Craaworth, Klagsdown. The nos-
mutants (23 in number) wens:—lord Chtlmof trd (Lord
Chancellor). Marquims—Bath (teller),Buter, Salisbury.
_ .

Earls—Ca;narvoe, Derby, Hardwick*, Malmesbury, Rom-
isey, Rossiya Vents. Viscount. —Dungsonow Hot-
Wagon (K. Downbison), Swathe Lords—Boston,
amok% Colville of Coker (teller). Coe"Woo, Denman,
=Moor, Noethwkk, dkobssretale, Wleford.
TM, PEARL Ftsuasa.—Our latest advice', from
lir pearl &her, reseesses all the eppewancre as most
Ilavaurabie for a good debery. Numbersof Cbetty merchanis
Item ladia bat anived, sma It skews, don apt break oat, It
esaidently hoped goat a bumper oddities to the reenact
1,111 bs tbo, molt • body of troops devilled for tbs some
YR Olisodso yestarilsy. Tho governor tolled' to be praise
bream et tbe *Wary. Two dicers hoes itagloadi loving
OWN est t) std la gebrearise re merebes, we trait nealM cit
Beet sad permassat value rosy be obtoisod.—Oryka
marl Satoh 1.

man, but regret that circumstances should have
thrown him, we sincerely hope but temporarily, into
a position of comparative isolation, in which he is
bereft of practical power. As the Conservatives
around him listened to the frank avowal ofprinciples
contained in his speech, and to the masterly way in
which he dealt with the want of consentaneity among
the leaders of Opposition, how deeply must they
have regretted that the first debater in the House was
not among the acknowledged leaders of their party.
They have shown before now, and, we are bound
to confess, more strikingly during the coarse of the I
present discussion, that they have men of great I
argumentative and rhetorical talent amongst them.
But the Treasury Bench presents no man who pos-
sesses in himself that greatest and most useful of all
Parliamentary talent►—that of earnest and gentle
suasion. If we are asked, do we wish to see Conserva-
tism consolidated and strengthened in Parliament
by the presence of such men at its head, we answer
unhesitatingly that we do, not for its sake but ours.
The greatest misfortune that can befall the cause of
Progressive Liberalism is the weakness of the party
opposed to it, in point not merely of numbers, but of
trained and experienced ability. We have had
fatal evidence of late of the twofold consequences
of such a state of things. We have seen
• Tory Cabinet re►dy to incur the reproach of its
adherents in the attempt to introduce Reform, but
unable from want of discernment and discretion to
obtain that amount of popular support at which it
aimed. As Mr. Gt.-therms; without taunt or bitter-
sass, reminded them last night, they had bad men
amongst them who gave them advice which, had
they followed, their Bill, with sundry modifications,
would have been adopted by the House. But they
had now virtually confessed that when presented to
them they did not know the right thing from the
wrong thing; that through sheer miscalculation of
what would and what would not go down, they had
sacrificed two of their best colleagues, without the
slightest compensation or advantage, and that now
they were perfectly ready to re-consider the whole
matter, provided only the House would content to
go into committee. What confidence, however, nut
be reposed in a Goiernment thus suicidally unstable P
Or what is to come of future legislation if left in
their hands ?
Then look ►t the other side of the question. What
is the effect of paralysed Conservatism on the appa-
rently overpowering strength of a to-called Liberal
majority ? le it not manifestly the very reverse of
all that is beneficial? Well might Mr. GLADSTONE
say that after the speech of Lord PALMERSTON it
was worse than idle to talk of factious concert be-
tween those who are pledged tosupport the resolution.
Avowedly no common scheme of action as to the come-
quenceeof the resolution had been agreed upon between
them. It may indeed be true, as is alleged, that when
the amendment was at first suggested its authors had
no reason to doubt that general unanimity would be
found to prevail regarding it; and that it was
only after time had been given for intrigue that the
purpose was formed of trying to destroy its efficacy
while nominally lending it support. But if this be
so, it only serves to show more clearly how unsafe and
unsatisfactory is our present Parliamentarycondition.
Sir !OLIN PAICINOTON was right when he said that
the character of public men did not stand of late as
high es it need to stand; and that much of this
was attributable to the sort of habit into which the
leaders of sections had fallen, of uncandid assertion
and ambiguous speech. But we cannot agree with
Mr. GLADSTONE that the apparent approach to
sameness of tone in the language employed on op-
posite sides during the present debate can be taken
for any genuine indication of unanimity. We be-
Have, indeed, that nine-tenths of the present
House of Commons are already heartily sick of the
question, and thoroughlyaoxions to shut it up, as they
say, for the next seven years, by passings Bill of some
kind this Insilco. But this is no more than mere
community of short-sighted selfishness. Supposing
the present Bill dead and gone, a weak Govern-
ment would still be beset with difficulties in
framing or carrying another measure, unless
indeed they chose to abdicate their functions
absolutely, as in the case of the India 13111,
sad to invite the How to decide for itself what the
provisions of the s earner. should be. Mr. GLAD.
STONE has not in so many words stated what sort of
franchise he would himself recommend; but he was
a member of the elms Cabinet with Sir JANIS
ORARIM which in 1854 propounded a scheme for
the lowering of the borough franchise to a 61. rating.
The right honourable member for Carlisle suggested
la hie speech of Monday night the municipal
franchise as now existieg, which would amount to
pretty much the same thing. Mr. GLAMORS does
not repudiate either ; and he praises Mr. WALPOLE
for having advised Lord DERBY to lower the suf-
frage in boroughs to 61. Lord PALMERSTON is like-
win committed to the same principle, having beta

Secretary of State for the Home Department when
the Coalition Cabinet brought forward its Bill.
Looking at the coincidence on this point, therefore,
it is only marvellous bow it should have been missed
by men whose administrative existence wu felt by
them to depend on the success of their Reform
scheme.

Mr. GLADSTONE has made up hie mind to vote
against the resolution, chiefly because he imagines
that its passing will rather tend to impede than
promote a speedy settlement. But he does
not venture to advise or even to hint the possi-
bility of its now being withdrawn. With his accus-
tomed sagacity, he must clearly perceive that after
the speeches of Lord STANLEY and Sir E. SULWER
LvrroN regarding au uniform franchise, such a
course became utterly impracticable. Had different
language been held from the outset, and had it been
made clear that Lord Drany's Government was
sincerely willing to comply with the direction con-
tained in the amendment, and to lower the borough
franchise in committee, the question might have
assumed a different aspect. But, after all that has
occurred, it would be manifestly to abandon the
assertion of a great principle were the resolution
proposed by Lord Roam RUSSELL not to be pressed
to a division. It is no random vote of want of con-
fidence, possessing a brief and transitory party im-
portance ; it is the embodiment of a great principle,
whose truth and whose necessity has already begun
to force itself upon the minds of the most reluctant,
and which it would be manifest desertion of the
cause of progress now to abandon.

A " REMONSTRANCE" which has been published,
signed by seventy-six clergymen of the diocese of
Oxford, reveals the distracted condition into which
that important part of the Church of England has
fallen under the administration of Dr. WILBIRPOECE.
I The subscribers of this document belong to the
working clergy ; and it is obvious that division and
strife must have gone far when so many of them felt
called to take up an attitude, if not of hostility, of
contradiction, to three Archdeacons and twenty-four
Rural Deans who are set over them. The " Remon-
" 'trance," although inscribed to these minor digni.
taries, is also addressed to the clergy and laity gene-
rally, and discusses the character which the minis-
trations of the clergy are assuming throughout the
diocese. From time to time the divergences of reli-
gious tendency which have arisen in this part of the
Church have been painfully forced upon public
attention, at one time by a dispute between a clergy-
man and his flock—at another by a conflict between
an incumbent and the Bishop, varied by a Cuddeadon
controversy and a Boyne-hill inquiry. In a recent
publication, which purported to be written by
" A Senior Clergyman of the Diocese," the evidences
of a strong inclination on the part of numbers of the
clergy to assimilate the public and private devotion
of members of the Church of England to that of
Rome were accumulated and widely published. Upon
this the Archdeacons of Oxford, Bucks, and Berks,
with twenty-three Rural Deans, join in an address
to the Bishop, observe that they are well acquainted
with the actual state of the diocese, and
declare that the statements of the " Senior
Clergyman" are presumptuous and unfounded
calumnies against the Bishop. The Bishop naturally
makes the most of this very welcome testimony.
He replies, so as to be overheard by the world,
" Yon are the beet witnesses; the facts of the case
" must be known to you; while your highcharacter—"
and so on.

The Itemonstrants are not disposed to sit down
by this representation of the state of affairs.
They, too, are witnesses. They are not, like the
Rural Deans, the nominees of the Bishop; they are
parochial clergy, living among the people, and well I
acquainted with the state of feeling among the laity,
as well es observers of the influences in opera-
tion around them, and they say that they feel it
to be their painful duty to bring matters to an issue,
so that the Church at large may know the truth.
And what is it that they testify ? Discarding vain
and barren generalities, they fix upon a few
palpable facts. For instance, they name to the Arch-
deacon of Oxford nine churches and chapels
within a ride of his house, in each of which the
decent communion table of the English ritual is
supplanted by a atone altar, and they call the atten-
tion of the Archdeacon of Bucks to similar inno-
vations in his archdeaoonry. We well know
what pseudo-philosophical commonplaces come
ready to hand when it is desired to diminish
the importance of the external concomitants
of religious worship, and we pass them by. For
there is nothing in nature so trivial and common that
it may not become of serious moment u soon as it is
adopted as a symbol of an earnest belief or a
cherished cease. In this way a flower, a sprig of
heath, a feather, have often been things worth dying
br. The distinction between an sitar and a aim.

mania° table, u is well observed in the last judg-
ment of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council
on these matters, " is in itself essential, and deeply
"founded in the most important differences in
" matters of faith between Protestants and Raman
" Catholics."

Before the Reformation we had " altan," becau

we believed in a 'amities which was offered thereon
by the priest. The Reformers, who considered the
Holy Communion not as a sacrifice but as a feast,
replaced the altar by the Lord'. Table. Why is the
table now in disfavour in the diocese of Oxford, and
why are so many parochial clergymen uneasy after
they have entered upon their benefice until they'
can get rid of the table for an altar? Notoriously
not for any iestbetic preference for stone over wood,
bat because the altar is in harmony with the doc-
trine of a sacrifice, and gratifies that sentiment of
sacerdotal power which is implied in the authority
to exercise a ministry which that sacrifice would
make tremendous.
When, then, the Archdeacons join in asserting
that " nothing whatever introduced or attempted to
" be introduced among us justifies the assertion that
" the diocese is in an alarming state," they give
the world a right to infer that they would not regard
a return to the doctrines of the sacrifice of the altar,
against which the Church has once for all protested.
as any great cilamity. We do not dwell on the re-
ferenoes which the Remonstrant. make to Cuddesdon
Chapel, its Romish appointments, and usages, and its
service book, nor on the "processions, with processional
1" crosses and banners," which took place both there
I and at Addington. If these things are Protestant,
or have any place in a Protestant Church, we can only
say that we have been under a delusion. If so, however,
it is &salons matter that nine-tenths of our country-
men share oar error. We put it to the Bishop of
OXFORD whether he has duly calculated the magni-
tude of the task of bringing them round to hip
opinions, andhas considered what may happen to the
Church of England in the course of the process.
The attempt to unprotestantise the Church has now
been in vigorous progress in the Bishop'. own dio-
cese for several years, and among its inevitable oonae-
quences is the schism of which this " Remonstrance"
is but one of the signs.

FOREION•OFFICE, MABCII 28.—The Queen has
been *ma to approme of Mr. August Carl Ciomput ea
=sod et Bombay for the Free itemeeatic City of IifitUIVIL"..
&sate.