The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-11-10 00:00:00

parts they are too high. All this will come out in detail.
If any member seconds Mr. Jones's proposition, we shall
then know what the sense of the meeting is.
Mr. OA.TO seconded the motion.

Mr. M'ELROY; Mr. Jones will guarantee this will cure
eveqthing.
Mr. JONES : No, no.

Mr. M'Eutoy : You talk so sanguinely about it, one is
led to imagine you would.
Mr. DAWSON : I guarantee it will cure all the inferior
men. They will have to run from the trade. They cannot
keep up with the good men,and it will drive away all the in-
ferior men.

The CHAIRMAN : Should the same Committee draw up
the scale of prices, or will you form another Committee ?
Mr. CATO thought they should get some of the older firms
to join them, such. as Mr. Royden, Mr. Chaloner, and Mr.
Clarke. They, ought to be invited to join in forming a book
of prices; and he begged to propose that six additional
members should be added to the Committee, to include the
names of some of the oldest members of the Association.

Mr. PAUL : Why not leave it an open Committee, and
solicit them to come in.

On the motion of Mr. Cato, the following names were
added to the Committee: Messrs. Royden, Chaloner, Clarke,
and Miller.

—Mr. DAwsoN said, there would be no difficulty in draw-
ing up the prices. They were quite sufficiently acquainted
with the trade to carry out a book of prices, even if it were
left to three or four of them.

The CHAIRMAN intimated that Mr. Cato had something
to communicate.

Mr. CA.TO : Yesterday an occurrence took place in my
yard respecting my apprentice boys, which is a very grievous
affair. lam in the habit of binding my apprentices, or
most of them. Within the last eighteen months I have
neglected this ; but, however, the great proportion of my
boys are bound, and yesterday my managing man at the
yard was about to bind a young boy who had been there
some six months, and on being .brought into the office to be
bound, he refused to sign the indentures. He was then
told, as he refused, he must walk about his business. When
this became known to the rest of the apprentice boys in the
yard, they discontinued their labour, and said they would work
no longer. They all assembled outside the gate of the yard,
and I went and asked them why they left their work. They
stated it was in consequence of my manager discharging a
boy because he refused to be hound, and they added, they
would not allow me to bind my boys, as it was coutrory to
the rules and regulations of their club (great laughter) ; and
that they would not work for me. There are 60 uf them
left my yard, and gone, Ido not know where. I hope and
trust the masters belonging to this Association will not en-
courage or employ them. I have sent a list of their names
to each respective master, and when they get that list, I
trust they will give them no encouragement. Out of the 56,
there are 8 or 10 who are bound, and I shall take speedy
and immediate steps for their apprehension. (Hear, hear.)
The CHAIIIMA.N : I think you may take it for granted
that no master of this Association will employ them.
Mr. APELROY had all his apprentices bound, with three
exceptions, and those three boys having objected to be bound
for the same reason, he ordered them to go about their busi-
ness, until they had made up their minds to be bound. They
had since been travelling around. They offered to return if
he would not insist on binding them, but he objected to
that—they should be bound.

Mr. CATO : I would strongly recommend every master,
whatever apprentices he takes, to bind them.
Mr. GRAYSON had all his apprentices bound.
Mr. DewsoN had tried the binding system, and he had
no less thanseven'apprentices at one time in the House of Cor-
rection (laughters, and instead of being improved he found
they became worse.
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The CHAIRMAN suggested that some arrangement should
be made with the men not take them into their club.
Mr. CATO had spoken to Mr. Neill on the subject, and he
said he would bring the matter before the men to-night, and
that he would do everything in his power to prevent the
men giving them encouragement. Hitherto the boys were
under an impression they could be employed by the men.
Mr. W. B. JONES suggested that whilst the book of prices
was in preparation that it should be submitted to the men
to take contracts for _vessels in the meantime, so that the
work of the port might not be delayed.
Mr. M'ET.Ror : Yes, and let the prices be fixed between
the masters and men. -

Mr. M'KEVERIGAN said there was an understanding to
that effect at the meeting.
Mr. FITZPATRICK was of opininion that a clause should
be introduced into each indenture compelling apprentices to
attend the Mechanics' Institution nightly. To induce them
to do so, he would suggest that a premium should be given
to him who was most attentive. Some of the masters gave
their boys 9d. a-day allowance, and the result was he could
not go into a public-'house to get a glass of ale without
meeting there a half dozen of boys drinking in a shameless
manner. The people of Liverpool would be glad to see those
boys attending school in the evening. One of his (Mr.
Fitzpatrick's) boys had taken prizes at the Mechanics' Insti-
tution for two successive years, and he wished that all the
the apprentices would follow this lad's example instead of
spending their evenings learning to smoke and chew tobacco
at the corners of the streets. He trusted this subject would
be taken up and carried out by the association. On one
occassion he paid, at the Mechanics' Institution, for every
lad hit hati_ and thn first rennrt hn hair Prim lb..
was that not one of them had attended there more than
seven nights.
Mr. CATO said he was a member of the Mechanics' Insti-
tution, and a great number of his apprentices went there.
Mr. GRAYSON explained that the 9d. a-day allowance
given to apprentices was paid in money, in addition to their
wages, not given in drink as parties might infer from Mr.
Fitzpatrick's remarks.
The CHAIRMAN : The original intention of this allowance
was to compensate for the additional injury done to boys
clothes in the graving docks.
Mr. W. B. JONES thought it would be an improvement
if the association raised a fund to take the park theatre and
turn it into a school. (Laughter). He saw plenty of those
boys around there now in the evenings.
—Mr. FITZPATRICK said the matter should not be made a
joke of. •
Mr. Peur. : Are we to understand that this Association
givesup the idea of introducinc, strangers into the town or of
making them free. The great object of this association was
to break down a monopoly which exists here—a monoply
which does not allow any other shipwright in the kingdom
to work alongside those men in Liverpool.
The CHAIRMAN : That certainly was my object.
Mr. PAUL : I thought it was the object of all those
meetings.
Mr. M4ELnoy : The question was put by me directly, so
that there was no getting clear of it in any way, " have
you any objection, or will you allow even the men who are
now in Liverpool, not belonging to your club, to work with
you ?" The answer was, "we cannot and will not"
Mr. PAUL: Let that go to the world fully. Let the
world understand that this is a monstrous monopoly which
you cannot break down:
Mr. JONES : Strangers can come and take work.
Mr. GRAYSON : It won't prevent strangers from coming
here.

Mr. M'ELnoY was of opinion if they had a sufficient
number of men, the system of working by the day would be
better. That was why he dissented from piece work.
Mr. CLARKE said his firm had employed strangers for the
last six months, owing to arrangements made at that period.
They could not nor should they think of turning those men
out of their yard. (Hear).
The CHAIRMAN : Strangers will be encouraged as they
have been, and perhaps more so. It is a matter for the
consideration of the committee.
The proceedings then terminated.

ADVERTING TO ADVERTISE3IENTS.—It can scarcely
be denied that the times have placed a number of
persons in unpleasant situations ; and it is equally certain
that a number of unpleasant situations are not unfrequently
placed in the Tintes.—Diogenes.
CHOLERA ON BOARD THE GUIDING STAR.—The
Belfast News Letter of Monday, says: —lt is with
deep concern we have to announce the following facts, the
accuracy of which may be relied on. A large and splendid
emigrant vessel, the Guiding Star, 2,000 tons burden left
Liverpool on Thursday se'nnight,anchored in our Lough
en Saturday morning, after being nine days in the Channel,
in a disabled state, and with Asiatic cholera of a very fatal
type rife among hn passengers. Shortly atter leaving the
Mersey, she experienced violent gales, lost her main-topmast,
main-yard, and several of her spars and sails. and finally
was obliged to enter Belfast Lough to refit. Before drop-
ping anchor off Cultra, six further deaths hed occurred on
board from cholera, or choleraic diarrhoea, and during the
day (Saturday) two more had died, making nine deaths in
all. On the intelligence of her arrival, under these circum-
stances, in our Lough, Captain De Courcy, the Government
emigration officer,accompanied by Dr.M‘Gee,Mayor, and Dr.
Pirrie, medical officer of the Mercantile Marine Board,
visited the ship. Dr: Piarie, on his return, stated that
eleven persons were lying ill on board, of whom ten had
been seized with cholera, and that of these several were in
the collapsed stage. Measures were at once taken for
the interment on shore of the dead, and for the separation
of the sick from the healthy. The captain of the ship sailed.
on Saturday evening for Liverpool, for the purpose of bring-
ing over a powerful steam-tug to take the Guiding Star to
her own port. The ship has a medical officer on board,
who, we have been informed, has been unremitting in his
care of the sufferers. Ne have been assured that all proper
precautions were at once adopted to prevent the spread of
contagion—if, as some believe, the epidemic be really
contagious. Since Friday night five new cases of cholera
occurred on board the vessel. According to information
received at a late hour last night, we learn that the total
number of deaths has been thirteen—viz., one at Liverpool,
six at sea, and six in Belfast Lough. The dead bodies
remaining on board were yesterday evening conveyed to the
burial ground of the Belfast Workhouse, and there interred.
The sick, in number twelve or thirteen, have been removed
to the workhouse hospital. The ship was left free from
disease.
JUST THE DIFFERENCE.--,The enthilsifistle ad
mirers of the "greatest tragedian since the days. of Edmund
Kean" (vide advertisement), now boast, that since Mr. G.
V. Brooke has risen to the top of the tree, Mr. Phelps has
gone to the Bottom.—Diogenes
Illi