The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-10-27 00:00:00

SHIP WRIGHTS' MEETING,

At half-past one o'clock yesterday, the operative ship-
wrights of Liverpool held a public meeting in the Concert
hall, Lord Nelson-street, for " the purpose of rebutting cer-
tain statements made by the ship-builders' association at a
meeting held at the Graving-dock. Regulation-office, on
Wednesday evening, the 28th inst 9 and to adopt such re-
solutions as may appear to them advisable."
The hall was crowded to excess, and several members of;
the masters' association were present. Some confusion oc-
curred on the entrance of Mr. Fitzpatrick, but it shortly
after subsided and business commenced. On the motion of
Mr. Thomas Shimners, Mr. EDWARD GRATTAN was called
to the chair, amidst enthusiastic applause.
The CHAIRMAN in opening the business of the meet-
ing referred to the unusual occurrence of the trade calling
a meeting in this hall, and much more so, calling it
in the day time, and continued to say : —There must
be some cause for it. There was a cause. The uninitiated
in their trade would say, what was the reason for this ;
why were they calling a meeting at this hour of the day ?
If there was any person there not connected with the trade,
he (the Chairman hoped he would go away satisfied that
there was a cause, and that cause he expected would be
fully explained to them and answered in the course of the
afternoon. (Hear, hear.) The meeting now assembled
had been provoked by a succession of meetings on the part
of their employers, the last of all being held on last Wed-
nesday, of all other days, in the Graving Dock Regulation
Office. The masters held a meeting, and contrary to all
usage, they employed a reporter, and thus had been sent
into the public press what they had said about the ship-
wrights of Liverpool; they had vilified them and called them
worse than probably they deserved ; but he hoped they
would shoW to the public of Liverpool, they deserved better
treatment from the hands of men who had sprung from
their own ranks, a great many of them. (Applause.)
Let them remember too, that this was an age of progress, and
an age of science, of education and intelligence. (Year,
hear.) The masters could not now say to a man, " you
must take so much and no more," and when they said it the
man was compelled to take it. (Hear, hear.) The working
classes now knew the value of their capital as well as any
capitalist knew the value of his capital. (Hear, hear.)
The masters could not now tell them to take this and that,
and they took it. They must not imagine we are living in
the land of Austria or Russia. No, they were living in
England. (Cheers.) The masters had held a meeting, they
had called in. the aid of reporters, had dragged them
(the operatives) before the public through the press, and
they had now got the same privilege for themselves, and
thankful they were for it. (Hear, hear.) They had got
that privilege, and they claimed it as British subjects.
(Cheers.) He told the masters, each and every one of them,
that this was not the age to say to men " We shall give
you a certain amount of wages," and the men must submit,
or must lie in such hovels as the masters might choose
to select for them, in any part of the town. (Hear, hear,)
A man naturally suited his own convenience, and if it suited
his convenience to live in the south end of the town near
his work, why should it be said they ought to live at the
other end of the town, to suit the convenience of the
masters. (A voice : Mr. Grayson said that.) The operative
shipwrights of Liverpool, had as much right to select
the locality of their residence as the masters had.
Capitalists in whatever trade they were, suited their own
convenience, and the shipwrights had an equal right to do
the same. They suited their own convenience, and on that
account they were blamed. They had been tantalized and
taxed in different ways, and last of all )hey had been belied
in another way, whilst they (the shipwrights) had been
looking to the grand object of the employers; they had been
belied in another way, which was reported in the Mercury,
and which had been almost lost sight of. It was under the
head "County Courtproceedings," and he was proud to sayhe
was in a position, so far as Mr. Major's men went, to offer it a
flat contradiction. It was a case in the County Court,
between Mr. Major, and one of his blacksmiths. He would
state the facts as nearly as he could. There were black-
smiths employed by Mr. Major, a little time ago, who were
not members of the shipsmith's society. That was nothing
to him (the chairman,) and it was nothing to the ship-
wright's association. If a man in another branch of business
connected with shipbuilding did not choose to enrol himself
in the society belonging to that branch, they did not inter-
fere. It was enough for their society to manage its own
affairs. This man went and represented in Court that if
Mr. Major had not turned those men away, the shipwrights
would have struck against them. He (the Chairman) gave
that assertion a flat denial, Being at present in the employ
of Mr. Major, he should know the sentiments and opinions
of the fifty men whom he employed, and they never knew
anything about those men, or who or what they were ; nor
did they know there was a misunderstanding between Mr.
Major and the smiths, until they saw the blacksmith's shop
shut, and then they heard it, but heard no more about it
until they saw the paper. He merely stated this that it
might be as publicly denied as it was publicly stated. (Ap-
plause.)
Mr. Nom, Secretary of the Shipwright's Association,
next came forward to address the meeting. He said they
had been represented by a certain portion of the press, as
exacting an extraordinary rate of payment from their
masters, and he wished to enquire whether that statement
was caused by them or by their employers.—(Some inter-
ruption here took place in the body of the hall, caused by a
drunken man, who it was stated was not a shipwright, but
a publican named Stokes. Order was secured by his re-
moval.) lie would commence by taking a review of the
trade within the last twenty months. A great chancre had come
• over the trade in consequence of the great demand for shipping
caused by the emigration to Australia. This, in a great
measure, had made their trade more prosperous than it had
been known for a considerable number of years. In the
month of January, 1852, not two years ago, he made it his
business then, on a particular day, to make enquiries as to
the number of men he could ascertain was employed in the
whole of the building yards and ships in the port of Liver-
pool. If his calculations served him rightly, he believed the
number of men employed in January, 1852, on one particu:
lar day, was 110, out of a majority bordering nearly on
1,600, and he might say 1,400 (leaving out 100 who
might be sick or at sea) were out of employment. He foUnd
also, amongst other things, the tonnage of the shipping en-
tering the graving docks was considerably greater than it
had been in former years, and yet there was no greater em-
ployment given to the men, although the tonnage had
become double or treble what it was. At the commence-
ment of 1852, the amount of employment was not probably
greater than it was in 1846, and yet a person looking at the
tonnage inwards and outwards, would say the " shipwrights
of Liverpool must be in a very flourishing condition, for here
we find, by the returns of the dock committee, the tonnage '
was so much in 1846, and in 1852 it is three times as much,
and they must have prospered in proportion to the trade."
Such was not the fact. Trade progressed, but we
remained stationary—Why ? Because the masters had '

got entangled in such a system of slopping ships
(Cheers, and cries of " order.") Where one man was re-
quired to do a certain amount of work, which he could do
well in 1846, in 1862 he was compelled to keep pace with
the times and do four times that quantity, and consequently
they could not not do it so well. (Hear, hear.) A remedy
must be provided for that—the elections came on, and
amongst other things a statement was issued that trade was
progressive, . and that the shipwrights must go along with
the, trade. Ile (Mr. Neal) and others thought something
was wrong, and that some remedy ought to be provided.
What remedy ought they to provide ? It was this. They
could do what they had done previously in a good and work-
manlike manner. They could get up work at least in good
condition ; but then it was done very different, and in some
cases it was don 6 in a very shameful and scandalous manner.
The consequence was the trade took a sudden change. 'Where
there was one man employed on a ship in consequence
of the determination on the part of their trade, to do
justice to the shipping interest of the port, double the
quantity of men was put on, and he had no hesitation in
saying that the masters who had entered into contracts pre-
vious to the limitation system, as it was termed, being
adopted by the shipwrights' association, offered as much as

£56 to foiego their- contracts—why so ?,

Because they took

them under the express condition Of slopping the work, and
when they knew the men would do the work properly, they
knew they would be out of pocket, and they preferred to
throw the contracts overrboard. (Loud cheers.) Well, this
was dangerous ground for the masters to attack them npon.
They said, or probably they might have thought, if they
attacked the men for doing work properly, they would not
have public opinion with them ' • they could not force the
men ; but they must undermine them, and endeavour to get
up fresh rules, and cause a dispute by some means, on some
cause or other rather than the real one at issue. (Neer, hear.)
They turned to and produced a fresh lot of rules in 1862, in
which their darling principle was to be perpetratedt to get
out as many apprentices as they could. A two-handed job was
to be done by a single man and a single lad working together,
and this would in slack times be turned to a very serious ac-
count against them ; for every job that could be put off from
having four hands, would be turned into a two handed job,
and the consequence was the masters would have three-fourths
of the benefit, and the men the fourth only. They insisted

that the rules'time out of mind had been 'one apprientice to
every three men employed in out door work ; to this regu-
lation the men belonging to the trade were bound to adhere.
There were certain other conditions put in, but it was well
known to the trade, that the only thing the masters wanted to
abolish was the limitation, and they cared little for anything
else. The shipwrights were determined to do a fair day's work,
so far as caulking was concerned, because, of all descriptions of
shipwrights' work, it did not show whether it was slopped
or not. (Hear, hear.) If one piece of timber was to be
fitted in to another it spoke for itself, and any man could
see whether it was properly done; but caulking was covered
over with sheathing, and it did not tell for itself. It was like
a man with a good coat and a dirty shirt inside it ; it could
not be seen, and no person could tell whether it was dirty or
not. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) They threatened all
sorts of annoyance ; they said we would stop the trade of
the port, and that Liverpool was to be ruined. (No ; not
yet.) However, it was finally agreed, that on a certain day
in August, the new' regulations adopted by the masters,
were to come in force on the 13th of August. Well, on the
12th of August, the night previous to those celebrated rules
coming into force, the masters re-considered the steps taken,
and they sent him word, if there was no probability of the
men agreeing to the proposed rules, they had better refer
them to arbitration. This was agreed to. They referred

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them to four gentlemen, extensive shipowners , „iOl
Liverpool, and they agreed to abide by the tahet',
to ; and he had the common honesty, when•• :ince!
strangers came before the arbitrators, he d!.
they would not arbitrate at all on that'
not care whether they had it or not, and 6)040
they were justified in not admitting it am
code of rules. Some three months wereis
from the time the arbitrators sat till they sent in des
but amongst other things they struck at
they wanted two apprentices to every journe7the
were satisfied if the arbitrators were. Wh° wer
cipal persons who employed the shipwrights. Ty
satisfied to go on slopping if the owners were. od
wrights considered they had done their duty;
talked of the system, the fault lay with the ship°,
not with the shipwrights. The rate of wages "0
time was ss. per day, and Is. per hour over-time' 0,,
trators agreed that for working overtime from
eight o'clock in the evening, or from four o'e (rhi,e
o'clock in the morning, the men should be paid at
9d. per hour, and for all other hours beyond eigh'°,
night, andbefore four o'clock in the morning)
paid at therate of Is. 3d. per hour, and they eilde
ue
make itappear that shipwrights would be greatly I?es,
this change. All the while this negociation was g°ll
was unusually busy ; every one knew that COn'e
shipping. And now he came to a period when
ask who were the parties who first violated OIL.
ment ? He should say in the month of Januar).
the men had agreed to abide by this arrangenlos
called the Queen was in the Queen's Graving ,
was unusually busy, and at the time when men
see to work from six to six, a certain master then
the position of chairman to the Shipbuilders A.ssneria
that rule, by the agency of his foreman, and thehe
perfectly Justified in going where they could 'et tds
amount for their labour. (Hear, hear.) Thiat, ;col
ciple they stuck to all the time, and he hoped " 0
ciple to which the operatives would stick as log
lived. (Applause.) What was the consequenee„,
The master who had other ships, and who
by the rules laid down, and supposed to be art'
all the trade, said, if his neighbour gave 9d. 311
work, when it, was known they could not work
hour, as a matter of course he must
could not get men at 9d. he would give ls. ,
quence was that one bid against the other, and
operatives) took every opportunity of selling theirs
the highest market, and that was the cause al
any fixed price being paid to journeymen
whole of this busy time. In' course of tiole',)
ear
timed article appeared in the Live;pool Ch de
it stated in consequence of the extraordinary
~e;
wages on the part of the shipwrights,
could not enter into contracts, and that the pi
were driving shipbuilding from the port 0'
He would leave it to the meeting, to say whether
so or not. (Cries of no, no.) He (Mr. Neal) hr
a reply, upon which the editor of the Chronicle
mented, and he should have replied to that, 132
absent in Ireland. He (Mr. Neal) had called the g
of the shipbuilders' association to this article, 311 if
up to them, and Mr. Green promised to:make a reP;
the Chronicle, or in any,other paper he might choe'
it, and that the article did not meet with then 0
the shipbuilders' association, whom it was intended,
He (Mr. Neal) had not seen that reply, but he he
from Mr. Green, and he would let them know WP
article which had evidently been written to 'it
masters, had done so or not. He then read the
letter :

Shipbuilders' Association,
8, Strand-street, 13th October, o'l,
To the President and Officers of the Liverpool
Shipwrights' Club.
Sirs,—A passage in a leading article of the
Chronicle of last week, referring to the operao,
wrights of this port, having been read at a meet 136
Shipbuilders' Association—that body does not 0,
the statement therein, or the feeling such 01
calculated to create. Signed on behalf of the ass'

JOHN WILSON GREENE,
Chairman, Shipbuilders' iii
The. shipbuilders association did not conero
article. They (the operatives) denied it, 5!1,
the shipbuilder's association had been forced to u` 0
(Applause.) He wanted to know what was tilers
tion of this shipbuilders association ? To the l' :01
knowledge ten persons had no employment, 01' lie
put down as clerks ; there were four retired 51/100
one millwright, one ironmonger, two blockmakers ,01
and, if his information were correct, one tailor I,ci
the lot. (Cheers and laughter.) The only Frio
netted with shipping on this self-styled shipbt -
ation was one sawyer, and twenty-two shipwrigi%-t
month of February, when the crisis had arrived 4101 a Ith,
important point that the masters did not know per.
for hands he met them several times, and on all c!`o4/' pl." 1
told them the men would always accept the 11,,',/1 (:'..i
for their labour which they could get. He ''gr' kla"
into a detail of the circumstances under which "ot 'lli
when the Marco Polo was in the graving dock, her ,Ll'h
through. the rule, and took away hands from °,,',," tY, •;,:
observing that he had it from Thomas Howarrai I . V,
man, that in this case Mr. Major knew well than ni(
were to have 6s. a day. and ls. an hour over tinyp, . tb,
of 9d. Things went on in this way during the sjt Pal
men got the most they could, as 'the had a P,* , the
but as the dais decreased, it was said 'they
the s,,tfe
of remuneration in the shape of hours would 164‘' b,'
The masters sent to know to what arrangement `b;°
come, and he would read Mr. Green's
matter. The Chairman said they were asvare
held on the 24th September. a resolution was ,effect 1
had been sent to the operatives' club, to the eer . but,_
per day should be the rate of wages, and le. ,2 v I;'' (
overtime, provided the hour was worked; and the. A.', al'
aware that on the 10th of October (that be }ll''
period for commencing) it was resolved that the
~e
at dinner should cease. It was considered, 111 V h`ya
circumstances, that it was not practicable to we'T 0 tt°
and consequently, and therefore, that resolutioa., it.,
adopted. At the same time they considerad eon f ;,:)
1
stathatitopetS {otri4l
be only courteous on the part of the association''p 1v41.(
men notice that during the winter the hour 0 ' ate
of except on extraordinary occasions. Injoict 1,..'
of these proceedings a meeting was held on lua stl'„'' t, '
Mr. Neal attended on the part of the club, an Prod hie
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their behalf that they could not accede to that v
and, further, that the members of the club demand lttl
day. After considerable discussion, it was app
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• CV,
Bs. per day should be given, subject to certain de
That was the case he wanted to enter into. ,- 0 toi
from the Shipwrights' Association met the master*At . t,
were asked if they had thought of the resolution; ,• tb4
the masters to the effect that they were to hareZa . 411,,
The deputation told the masters they had just:ll'4'oY la,'
wrights, had insulted them in the press andhlie, ) . Rod
to look as low as possible before the Pl'';',.lo;:i 4;
charged with having always made demands I°, 01,, b.,
wages, when in point of fact they had never made f 0 q 41
at all. (Hear, hear.) If they were to be hlani (19, (0}
it was time to make a demand ; and they did so, 000'
mand was the first made since the alteration had . illt
in the current wages of the port. They told the v. „
a day was little enough. After some discussionsloil lta't
was offered, with over time in cases of emergeneY'e )
tually Bs. was acceeded to, subject to certain eAi )vbi
such as not allowing buss fare, &c. The sP ce„ tot
ceeded at some length to justify buss allow3f, ' tiol
he said was originated by Mr. Royden, who had
an active part in the association. He next re'' 1%.1
strange manner in which Mr. Royden Was JO 1,1
with the pitch pot masters, whom he detested, fil".
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made an oracle of him by fetching him to the P',.4 It),
Wednesday last. The first thing Mr. Royden tie 0,1 . 01;
.do, was to upset the club. (Hear, hear).
,P.0)..1 tl;
well try to upset the custom house. (Great apPl° dr, Z
masters themselves had a club, but it was comp
OP°,;it.l, "t
a variety of interests he did not know what to .?' IN
might call it what they pleased, but it certainly Ix ;‘)
Liverpool shipbuilders' association. They pro&V N
a man £5, if he gave ls. per hour to men to 1113.1.4, IN
out of dock, and he asked was not this monstrcnti 'lad
hear). Their friend Mr. Royle (laughter) said 85i ,141(1
regular robbery. (Groans). That was as nln • `loe
the shipwrights' association were regular robbers d tot
and disapprobation). Well, he confessed if t!iberi 'lle
1
their trade, and those of other trades were 13'
toi ttllai
public, he wondered whether the stigma would ,1er.t
Ilei
masters or on the men, (Hear, hear). He Lllft's ' t4:l
in his hand a note which had:been directed to ..-"f' i 1, e,
secretary of the self-styled shipbuilders' .4ed, ii'lt(
5.00,
which he had lost out of his pocket, and was Ply oef, 411
one of the workmen. The note, which was tor3ll Ps 1,5111
lated, ran as follows :—" I have received your 1,)io 6t
Nose, but have not laid it before the comralt°lss.i 'k(
labour bill seems so enormous high, say, £BO iiae %I
money will be all right. But you must glue a ohs
in reply * * The carpenter's wages exceed M Y or tt
. j t,,i
but lam aware there was a good deal of good rl
her." He (Mr. Neal) had made a calculation, k,
was less less than £5O worth of work done to tlilewho Iva
yet there was a charge of £B6. Now, he asked tY oh
right to be charged with robbery, the masters 0 oei ,i;
(Hear, hear.) Ile would refer to one passage to' t itt,
" Tha tbe I
of Mr. Clayton ; it was as follows : of bei
rate of wages here was taking away the trade ()Ito eti
for he had seen in the report of the last meeting hecoli
committee, that a pilot boat, which should WA, i l!'
at Liverpool, had been taken to Ipswich, in co ia voi:) "
the high charges here." It had been state" i",,irlis ; fo
committee, that in building a pilot boat at IP' to c t„,', htt,
ing had been made in labour alone of £sl9° 46.3.,,tr; if
with the price of labour in Liverpool. Ire ben 0 1/11 IIY tat
tradict this ; for the whole amount of labour °- r 0 , 11),
in Liverpool would not exceed £205, and ere toy 1111
would be made out of it at £3OO, and there Ili,
iil) hflb
the platform ready to contract to find„. 10. t.% k,
build such a pilot boat for £3OO. He (i'"" l'' eio l'ti
direct attention to an old friend of theirs, 31tr've "/I,OAF.I'' 1111:.
uproar), who urged on the masters to 411,04'1 , 41
Great uproar, and cries of turn him out.) i.O deo) ~
itzpatrick was one of the foremost 111,040,. lic'l!fli ',/,' t„
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could, in 1827, against the masters. Cue—O' "4
his position was reversed, and he did go had co,j
power against the men. (Hear, hear.) -L'a ON
through the facts of the we; they had hee

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ters in r;', conduct
be decks.l.4lNagese' of thett
en the '''co
le elistillAA 415P1au,:,' now 1

for an increased rate of

He had no proposition to mak
the matter in their 'hands

(Great

that; tF Alr,i) •
ti, ' 'trill then came forward to propose the first resolu-
ad e° ~,i 01) width
t anion!, J the ~..,_ was a counter one to the first resolution passed
Ihe reser:4r rs, sanctioning the admission of strangers.
were '7.
at in tliel 1
, 43 meetin ell was as follows :-" That it is the opinion of
limb Here, that tlgit so far as regarded the introduction of stran-
rne)ln'intig 11,4t,ified in e members of this association feel themselves
o were , They had , work
ing with whom they please." (Hear. hear.)
to Ili !link th",s_ee,eu urged by their employers to make the de:
vet.o. IP Iltett
,I_7. had done, as they were sure to get it. He
ty
;•01 wtlt,ght,e,";taailsesod . what had occurred between the ship-
hipo Q ref . elation and -the shipbuilders' association,
riges ilf/Ilderederrilig' to the remarks of Mr. Royle,
iinie. • rongt,tit
__Whether a few weeks ago, that gentleman
lag out at as robbery to have forty-five apprentices work-
receive
Th_Lne rate of seven shillings a day, who did not
Rose fou',.,_ll than eight shillings per week. He calculated
!ere CY ye lads brought in £B6, and he asked now who
dlek of' robbers ? (Cheers.) Those lads were many of
ete sh
,e use, but as soon as an owner came down they
110 hed„e'ed under the bottom, or inside in the hold, where
op,aratiYv:ould see them. (Great laughter.) Still they, the
ItraoerBB74lJere vilified before the public. As regarded
.111asttrs ,i,', "Y had been tried in Liverpool before, and the
aqs hajcre glad to get rid of them, and get the Liverpool
kne boiti, again, and the reason why men did not go into
three oil, Yards, was that the work was too laborious
Liel•ed to ltr men only, to forty or fifty operatives being em-
'"angers build a ship of 800 tons. There were now 500
Itlycl, but in town, a portion were working in Mr. Laird's
ues,e stta,heY had struck for wages. Mr. Green lost by
tkq. rigs, before they knew it was pounds out of his
(c•.?:' thei'r'Y were the scurf of the nation, who did not
hueets,) „Work until they were shown how to do it.
a,,,,. linthi,ur• Green sent them away, and said he would
pr, teld"tg further to do with them, and now he had them
°ole what was he to do with them. He begged to
the 4.14,111 first resolution.
ti,;,he eti•k Uns said it was the first time during his life,
et'he has been a shipwright for upwards of forty peals,
pthe Dree the pleasure of standing before a meeting such
co-4 tti Drew the
He thought it was his bounden duty to
ter to hear what their views were before all persons
,7 it i 4 With the trade, or connected with the town. He
e, f; as a fla Power, some years ago, to employ men him-
We orernan in that town. He was for a short while
eldd 4:11 business as a master shipwright there, and he
such 04 ye been so yet, if he had not fallen in with parties,
thcrew were called robbers. (Hear, hear.) He believed
quo as no M
it) wst an belonging to that association who could
1:11 ill hili„11 upon his character, or say he ever oppressed a
11.4 that y 'Lip, but that he gave the best wages, and did the
' was aY In his power towards all connected with him.
kid L 4 shi .
I,4tv, Pwriqht in the old sooiety, founded in 1816,
ttelnekhe something of the trials and troubles of life. He
riltr e iittal being in Liverpool at the time of the great
i°llght itit27, and sorry he was that at that time there was
tleiaersovas 4° question the name of a man who, for many
I.,„,°Peratfuought to have been one of the greatest friends
""„e for „ves had in that town, and to whom they had often
filled a „,a'tvice-that was Mr. Royden. At that time he
a h Cuee,ting, and had the wages of the men knocked
144N:149414s us. a day to 4s. He had then twenty or thirty
at'unaro , and not a man among them, and the men rather
41043(1 014', at this, which led to his taking that step. They
f the 7 however, for seventeen weekg, and they conquered
"0 end. At'
th, in', am that time •Mr. Fitzpatrick was in their
thl Were used to speak before audiences, representing how
ketr.gt,„'° go through the struggle. Afterwards what did
it • Fritras masters do ? They. turned their backs upon
ales it 40Patriek, and would not give him a day's work, and
Ittugn,tt been, which was a credit to him in one way, that
l' -110','d hard, he might have been at that day in the
dp,, instead of being a master shipwright. (Cheers.)
tt,,„14. g,,,the introduction of strangers he had little to say
IN i"•, "h said sufficient on that matter. He should only
• N tat he did not think, out of all the abundance of
to, 1.8 _ . .
k Na‘k now in Liverpool, there could be got fifty who
kir,, .) Ibithey had served their regular seven years. (Hear,
)1.,44 11„.,`1e hoped, for the good of all, that those who heard
• •,,r „lit „"1„d still attend to their business, attend to their
cotter r'"01,),-7 Work like men, to show the shipowners of Liver-
all`tel et?ltid ;;" the great merf that great mart, that they
Itou` ' 4'ic:llemrx, and were win- to work. (Cheers.) Mr.
the
as ,44 ~ kr. II 11 concluded by seconding the resolution.
the a!' , t44411wh 4:480N spoke to the resolution. He observed that
an hat t ~a° had served their seven years' apprenticeship in
led ttligift,rt could not be expected to work with those ship-
'kers to ithy Ea >ia•S they called themselves, who never went through
ailor there
an term of service, characters brought from here,
V Ai; Iti,! 1(l everywhre. (Cries of hear, hear, and cheers.
tbull" lloit, •• "-)xtrrn stated that there was 600 of these shipwrights
might;
1114 Liverpool.
rived Pi-tO 41;;`e enAnniAist put the resolution, which was carried by
novr 6. llunoits show of hands amid loud cheering-
, Ne 3r,. ~...
a 0,0.1, p,e,-...• 11ARRISON moved the second resolutio.n.
d. said
ie L'l'',l tt lOUs to his reading it, he should feel much obligee if the
He keit ,n4airraan would read the second resolution adopted at the
sick f'o,4 'ecting of the master shipwrights.
ockt iler ti The CHAIRMAN-Here is the resolution which Mr. Harri-
ta ot t`h wishes me to read-" That on and after Monday, the
artb, j NI Ind
to
ikisint, the wages for shipwrights be 7s. per day, and
__ ttioto , 4111.. r who shall, either 4 himself or by his foreman,
7.10 fftds , paqter eaountv or otherwise, any man to leave a job, such
t a if
.1, Ors, 2,11 be fined £5 and his name exposed in the public
se spit/ , v trlkilTg that no omnibuses or carts be employed to take
4, it zro
lid /6 ~ ~,,tr. 1,.. 111 or to £heir work."
ty 'o ,• poxelO 'IA./tu .
len 8 Zti, e , 'sox said the resolution which he was about to
.-
i.taeratai% L Ivi:jet,ilag,lll tag. follows• " That it is the opinion of this
adoPte ()fps, 1,,, in consequence of the great demand for ship-
effect , 1,4 e, th"ear, and the advanced prices of the necessaries
s. per Ita ~. . oatitt
_after
i they, bas sled '!, restrictions upon the
with land Monday last, we accept 7s. per day,
teing - taqueea cairn eir resolution of October 19tSo
i
part of our.,, em to ern
h P much
the ri , he 48, th,:ittu b their worthy secretary, that it was almost,
1/„‘ • lt,did T., , Ina to eak upon the wages, question, because
' 1111
7 e° -°
e°lll there to advocate is a-day, for that
w°"ll4 ' trePerileeded to e 111).
1600 it, e„ to 1,, . them. But as the masters had thou ht•
i that ,iit : thot'aali,„ivi.a into print, and stand the ordeal of criticism,g
, toe ,That it It but right that that meeting should have a
tit9oool P ion
.. Wort first e - any way. (Hear, h ear, cheers and laughter).
r`c ~,,, %IS r Person whom he should select for notice, was the
T 0 e.., „f e,„ 44 .
••` Deno'' , let. I‘lallt-head of the proceedings, Mr. John Wilson
i a 6 . to7twor ot twelve months ago, that gentleman employed
all,wo, thel'enb :, termed strangers. He found it to his disadvantage
haatial"oll litik I.rVe;‘,4eolll; He e then- begged,. and prayed, and solicited
al• -a . ~ I' °I shipwright's association to come and work for
i,, cocii,' ' t''illi.'-,-
-",t dooi ' kto4t , ' 1Y • Greene, who was in the body of the hall,
' iio tt
0, t • soli .. 4 , no.
iste 0 1 c, A.,,
to 't tb --rttsex said Mr. John Wilson Greene actually did
tieu 5 :th (14 'e dele
10 6s. _ e,,, ct th,, gates of that body to get a good foreman to
;tilted toe!' ,Ittlaktei, ',.work. for him.. Mr. John Wilson Greene sai,d,
,d 10 . 'aliiT IrololVvirights of Liverpool were a set of "bad uns,
„sblie:ii, • Itoilcr,) I,traave nothing to do with them. (Cheers and
r for 4 4'l haves''' ew would it be credited that that gentleman
s ade so - kali now I,7_,Poken in that way twelve months ago, and be
lamed IN slog as, the head of those very people, and. the worst
old (ram °f 'lien:l-the man who professed to be the warm-
lot, id tot# gets) ° the operatives, stood now the foremost enemy.
• ilar'• Gi
t is, •erre t,,rt
ors, J ' Th Ptto --No, no-(Cries of " Yes, yss," and, some
. kta 11.)
nelf tek 4-Arits,
k. ellt h Ax-If Mr. Greene wishes, he can make any
li-11,040 the -• 4 e Pleases, after our part of the meeting is over.
sr- h, , 4.4
tli-,4 beeISON said he should next refer to Mr. Royden,
wana# . Ili Eta a
ado,' tO4 wt: It' friend of theirs, and appeared quite fatherly
1d , i,;•ar,,,lneh t, would confine himself simply to one expres-
fa-,6 , \t4l,lt7g th'eaitn gentleman had made use of, a suggestion
1a i 14. N ,tokli troduction of a document. Now. it was a
11 ;1%4'141,0 fact that their present chief magistrate-and
• ciZtlt:'-wastclan More fond of popularity than Mr. Samuel
t tatellt i the very first who endeavoured to introduce
.a
• 1,540 t lit° Liverpool, and he had never redeemed his
4i, • °II 1
4414,tatt bethat account up to the present day. (Cheers.)
, )4 1.. )1, had credited when such a talented man as Mr.
( Ilt hnez, not succeeded in doing that, that. a man like
itYen hefere not
beald attempt to get up and praise the clop-
Vtifit -c'ngland ?. It was an act of tyranny, saying
leiNpr.ble,l4.°t do so and so ;" bffiding the masters and bind-
hal bee"en t) al'ail Mr. Holme's document was nothing in
et hi 4-4 ill „,° , Arr. Royden's. That society of shipwrights
,t`ent,a"eath'fltstence and supported one another in sickness
go 4 ent, pr Years after years. Mr. Royden wished for a
ne ,P oo kdet hi
tti. e In get one. But supposing that society
kat, cal °ll th
tl, •41 solv, e opposite tack ? Supposing they got up
hll 4 11Igia;: and that they would not do work for any
ake itsalebb to the association-where would they be
01 ~"I,.eta f, near, and cheers.) He thought that would
11;t,e t 0441 re °k very small. (Cheers.) A great deal had
s the ~4c the:dilig them from the press, and it was very
fo,°,Pei.„`,use ofe,,ess, although professing impartiality, taking
ice 4i,'",,ive ~a_l'ac working-man. He had often read that
tjerch`abot,r. 3 at liberty to get as much money as he could
%lt itll.l to th ?lea; hear.) If that were allowed to him
tilickl die, soleot e aw of the land, what right had the masters
t, It tit'ate Qthir!l conclave like the 'Venetian Council of Trent,
0 „ oti ~.„. itraq laws, saying to the operative "thus far
i,N'titleT;l3 and no further at, (Loud cheers.) There was
te•"' part r„ ,b 0 could speak' of with credit, for the
1
(11!,4,, 4,'Notie ' aad taken, namely, Mr. Clayton. (Hear,
*hilly. en is °ffihe masters charged him with having pro-
/AS Arid atea,, `,la 3r, and he had the manliness to avow it
.A h: that ~D 4 ea .) That was to his credit, and it was
It
they'iu pointed out such a man, and that was a
lot e : 1,, all respected and honoured. (Hear, hear.)
tot " oree
I,J/ Order , cheers for Mr. Clayton. (Cheers, and
No Vila, • ')
f0,1141,4411.:5er said there was a general feeling of the
!lid tfl 4 menaY, and they would never come into col-
If 44141'14., whom they found to act upon such straight-
tief ent 'ehilPies• (Hear hear •) A great deal had been
the "to spasetetnriets' waies, how they rose and fell ; but
deOtoh, a k 1.,. merely common honesty and common
itok;leetiv, aittl,,,,,eiz,r
,r they would have a different version to
ti•e,stl;t ipc% • It was a well known fact that labour
ti": 4,i, gtato supply and demand. If the masters had
tVes 01.'1_141,1,g_ to the public that in spin of the
11:' (Iper the " eeedented demand for shipg, and the high
ir:lit alive laecessaries of life, they were willing to assist
tii:etin s' there would
11,e se NArt t°-day have been an accession from
or, rtie_ ell they • But they always acted in a contrary
4et or re, came before the public and employed
415rtia Pert era, they should have remembered the

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