The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

the geplorei el s Alltet lam who had Nitta on their side.
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the WE yes Ikra N 4410 power. As liked tha We off maths,
any largo wthitsa II asibtrge peas. et the i homo-
yams% Oil 11144 f 004 goverment ; asps-
Milt whoa 14111%b• mate said nation sad, if there
Imes • hit this people ander the pastel
smothatalma* desirable to teke advan-
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be posmithed to draw the Use, and to thew
thresh the terries of this lewd seesatbly eon
*cid get with regard to the separate assemblies
oat of whisk it was to be sad ant with regard to
W great eistsopelboa , width ft formed a part.
Why, Ibis hill Melt no of this ; there wee so swaths
of
a genera stem me pre/isles or preparation for it
is the bill. And be WHIM 01414 right to mark and sigma-
liw boraces the sods lord mail sot have been aware
:ftZdfireat evidence whisk Wan had gives as. He
the Webby with their Mespealty sad impotency be-
ams ta gusatlnterests like this they bad brought
la as hairnet steamlb la the sontheen hanitpkowe our
daisesdealn ware Meath Sew a greet empire arise, which,
se be believed, weal rival the great maybe he the west ; bat
when poseerity sheath sem that great people to existence,
!eh/ would say it wesowhig to the isdividuel perseverance
it=
standing alone, wielded, seas-
sisterral;, Unwind lgthe nom :meat of the country to
which they balespg. vas beaus he believed that this
Wog whisk Wray easel a bill—sad which was some time or
other to be ems em—beaus it would not advance, but
threw he*, ehlthalisa Is our coloales, that he seconded the
114111simat Milts elglit Item gentleman.
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Mr. HAW= toil that all that the right honourable
gentlemen lid to eie was to proceed no farther with the
MIL bet le Yee tall OM hill and all the proposals respect
lag it, the eingeffieeseile adopted and rejected, to the gover-
nor, tie lerglifinfle, wed the people of four colonies; and
he ...rts: to ... leglskitive bodies, and the people of
, three to return that hones an answer by which
it meld legislate satisfactorily to the colonies. He
thought it would have been better at once to have moved
that the bill be reed a third time that day six mouths.
Bat the right howstuable gentleman, as he had
said, had dilated upon every imaginable principle
in colonial government. He (Mr. Hawes) told the
house that if they followed the right boo. gentleman on this
ocossion, they desisted the question whether they were to
have Goiania or not. Per, if he understood the nght hon.
gentleman, he waived the veto of the crown, he maintained
that the veto of theorem and the appointment of governor
might involve the ermatsw I. great disputes and expense.
Why, in what way wee he to read that proposition ? Was
he not to infer that the eight hon. gentleman had not only
changed his spiel= het sway abandoned the opinions that
he formerly held ? When the bill was introduced into the
house the right honesereble gentleman said he was in
favour of the peiselples of the bill. And what
were the priacipies of the bill 1 The bill did
not propose to surmise the powers of the crown ; it did
not propose to sows% lieskei Ma the colonies, but if
they followed the el.lllwelh Sentleewe's argument to its
• conclusion it cams to this, that ew account of the expense
he was prepared to atimisa oar wallonial empire, and to
relieve parliament from walltere connected with colonial
legislation. [Mr. Ofslawnet Local legislation.] But how
was the right hon. guallkemea to deal with the question of
local leiMadon ? Wkly the right honourable baro-
net, the member lbw Southwark, proposed that the
c demists should have the power of interior legislation ;
bat when he came to Mine what was interior and what was
imperial legislation, be proposed that in case of dispute they
should go before the semesittes of privy council. Look to
the scheme of the right hon. gentleman. Every bill that
interfered with the alive in any degree, would of
mune be objected to she law officers of the government.
This bill adopted an constitution, one that had been
tried, and ewe which he repeated again, had met with the
meat and consent of the iahabitants of New South Wales.

But the bill went farther than that; it gave the colonists
the power to amend the constitution. Now, be eon•
tended that that power was more likely to prevent col-
lision between the mother country and the colonies than any
thing else. That power was for the first time conceded to
the colonies by this bill. He understood the right
honourable gentleman to say there was no approval,
that they had no information. Why the papers before
the house, he imagined, must have escaped the right
honourable gentleman's attention. What did the great
public meeting of South Australia say They said
this, " that the bill laid before parliament, entitled a bill for
the better government of her Majesty's Australian colonies,
so far sa it relates to the colony of South Australi,, meets
the wishes and the wants of the colony in most of its eaten-
tial provisions, and a bill constituting a representative go-
vernment with such extensive powers deserves to
be regarded as a large, liberal, and comprehen
sire measure." The right hon. gentleman proposed
to disappoint these people, and on what grounds
To have a report from four colonies and four governors ?
Why it could only arrive here in the course of the next ses-
sion of parliament, and th..n there would be such a mass to
digest, that no legislation could take place till the session
after that. Well, but the, (the government) said, if the
colonists do not like this bill, let them alter it, they have
the power. If the object were to the colonies a double
chamber, and the colonists concurred with them, let them
resort to the provisions of the bill, sod convert the eingle
chamber into a double chamber. There was nothing to
prevent that being done. Therefore, he contended that to
delay this bill was to delay an useful, and in the language
of the public meeting in S nth Australia, the resolutions of
which he had quoted, "a liberal and comprehensive
measure." The right hon. gentleman spoke in favour
or a double chamber. Let the house remember
that this question had been dimuseed more than once,
and had been decided by the house by large majorities.
He (Mr. Hawes) confidently appealed to those who bad
hitherto supported the bill still to de so, and not to delay
all legislation on this subject indefinitely, or at least
for one or two years to come. It was alleged that
the only ground why the government refused complete con-
trol to the oolonirs over their waste lands was through fear
of personal corruption and jobbing. That was certainly not
the case. (Hear, hear.) The ground was a far higher
one, aad one which he hoped the house would
appreciate. The waste lands of the colonies were
in fact the estate of the crown, held for the
benefit of the people of England, as well as those of the co-
lonies ; and the sole question was how they might be best
miscued to that end. (Hear, hear.) The management of
the local legislatures might be as honest and intelligent as
the management here ; but still they must be subject to a
local pressure, which would be extremely inconvenient, not
because it would lead to personal corruption or favouritism,
bat every one knew that popularly constituted bodies were
expired to influence* altogether apart from jobbing or cor-
ruption, but which would tend, in the long run, to transfer
those lands to a large number of owners at a very
low prim. (Hear, hear.) When the right hon. gentleman
talked of two chambers being a security for the better ma-
nagement of the lands, be had surely forgot the case of Ca-
nada. Were there no abuse* there in the management of
the land? (Hear.) As to the franchise, the colonies
themselves would have the power to regulate that • it might
be left with confidence to the existing councils, who would
doubtless regard the wishes and feelings of the people. It
was said the government had din. girded the frequently
expressed wish of the colonists that the fran-
chise should be extended to leaseholder.. The 10th
section of the bill contained a provision on that subjoin ;
but the whole question would be far better left to the colo-
nists themselves. New Zealand had been frequently adverted
to, as a proof of what were called the blunders of the colonial
office. He wished the house fully to understand the position
of the question with regard to that colony. Some time ago
a bill giving a constitution to New Zealand had passed that
hoes, almost unanimously, and with the bona Jiide intention
of carrying the measure out, but upon the representation
of the governor himself, that while the European popu-
lation was so small, and the revenues of the colony were
paid so largely by a native population, who ware well
armed, laws made entirely by the European population
would not be peaceably submitted te by the natives, the
statute had been suspended. But the accounts recently re-
ceived from the colony, which would form the subject of
future papers te be laid before the house, were so satinet:lton
both as to the progress of the colony and its tranquillity,
that the governor had intimated to Lord Grey that he was
no longer of opinion that the introduction of representative
institutions ought to be further delayed ; and It was proba-
ble that in the course of next region a legislative measure
for this purpose would be introduced. (Hear, hear.) Under
these circumstances he hoped the hon. member for Cukor-
mouth (Mr. Aglionby) would see the propriety of not press-
ing the amendment of which he had given notice, as the
subjoin required great one, and ought not te be dealt with
until full information was received. He had heard no good
ground why the house should reveres its former decision ; he,
therefore, hoped the bill would be passed.
Mr. E DENISON related many incidents of recent colo-
nial administration, especially relating to the waste lands, to
show that the Colonial office mismanaged affairs, and did not
deserve to retain the large authority which would be left to
it by the present measure. The bill was wrong in much th
it provided, end wrong in much that it omitted ; wrong in
the form of constitution it granted, wrong in the federal as
Nimbly it provided, and wrong in withholding from the colo-
nists the management of their own affairs. It was especially
wrong as regarded the case of the waste lands of the colonies.
On this latter point he had an amenduseht on the paper, but
he should at this moment promise only his support to Mr.
Gladstone'. amendment.
Mr. C. ANSTEY objected to the exam of the sum to be
levied for the administration of justice in Van Diemen*.
Land beyond that exacted in the other colonies tor the like
hirpose*. In other respects sport ved of the bill, and be
ved that it was satis to the inhabitants. He moved
to surfing" in Schedule C, or the sum of 13,3001. (" salvtee
of Attorney and Solicitor-General, crown solicitors, and con-
tingent and miscellaneous expenses of administration of jus-
tice' is Van Diemen's Land) the sum of 6,0001.
Mr. AGLIONBY, being satisfied of the excellence of the
principles in which the bill was founded, and being also
convinced of the necessity of legislation, should oppose Mr.
Gladatone's amendment.
Mr. F. SCOTT said that recent advice* had shown the
real dissatisfaction of the colonists with this bill, sad that the
sterling organs of their opinion had unmistakeably pro
neared against it in its present form. He neat through
the leading features of the hill, commenting adversely upon
them as he proceeded, and contended that it was the duty of
the house at all events to delay the further progress of
the meow until it could be presented in • mon perfect
shape.
Mr. SIMEON, in answer to a remark of Mr. Hawes, said
that the proposition of Mr. Gladstone might be an unusual
one, but it was rendered nursery by the snug* contin-
gency now occupying the attention of the house. He re-
gretted that opposition to the measure might embarrass the
government, in whose good intentions he had oonfidenos;
bat, hallooing that the influence of the Coloniallthco was