The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-15 00:00:00

KILRUSH UNION.

Mr. MONSELLr:sse to pat iiis-silOn to the Soffebry
for 'reload. He had asked him • few days date as to the
miserable and starving cmditioa of Me people Hibusis.
He bad •• nce seen accounts from that salon, that the
aunstme of deaths from November 1819 Ile Febriefey Iffas
had Mermaid to 120. He had beta Wormed OM Imp
numben of plums had Mall to do sake weekbease hem
distant parts of the union, and tbeirmesakail net bean tam
into coasiierstion, and they was without relief
and food, to return t, their beam e begged to
ask whether ()swamt relief had beta stopped to
Mom persons, whether those ewe %ads, sod whether it wee
Sweat that • ladaraamaber bad been curt away without
their cams being into cemidseaea.
Sir WM. SOMBRViLLE said that it was impossible for
Was to mower certala statsments smitten by iadividuals oa
the spot. He did not mesa to dew that them was a great
mama of suffering existiag I. LYfush. He thought that
the beet troy for tie hon. mamba M obtain the informatics
lie required would be to more lone tad, if the lahr.
was not mildest, ha is bh Emma y
issfonastica which hi might ban. had
bees a peat
incresee in the mortality in Lamb witbia the lost fear
weeks, but such an occurrence was net unusual. He
foand on looking at the retnens that Own was a 'Woof 4 la a
thousand to 8 la a thousand. Last weak it .was 10 la a
thomand.

WOODS AND FORMS, Re.
Lnd DUNCAN asked the noble lord at the head of the
treasury re what day he thought it likely that a measure as
to
toe segulatioe of woods and fruits would be brought
forward.

Lord J. RURSKLL said that be would peeps' it tin
Thursday ; it re wee sot able le bales IS forward ea Timm
day he would the knew*, day.
Lord DUNCAN asked whether the seassabekmers for in-
quiries into the Waltham Pont had made say report to the
goversmest.

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Lard J. RUSSELL milled that is 01l poolatElty Ike or
peas sight sow Is 4 his hands.

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TRANSPORTATION.
Mr. ADDRIALRY mond. it: Isom to behigglam WI a
repeal pert of tke est of d Geo. IV., whisk hir
liejesq, with the advice of her Privy egesill
my *eel IS her N.J.esty' dominions deco
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Nat of Ideas sad 'than under niateais
He said the main ebtit lett( Ms bill was. Ileitz mM
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llenumlis he an by tin Oman
tary been prossat. bat by est poilimmit. peril=
had teed to his miad -by the tenor of the panties
which he beff preeented trout the Caps of Good R
widaliVeasilealey had promoted to the Roam Anil
Mao prayed not cooly nano be Caps might VANS
oat of eatmory of peon se"' on, bat that the eider
In Malt night be revoked Whin mode ether
of her Majesty's dominate eelßsoewlti
and that the future penal se= inlaid be
deternimed by act of parliament.
_ftlit be said
that the Csepel ought to have rested saiMMitatheatts
it had been oneesdni is preveadag
to
that port of South Aeries; bat theogli the
thole might be safe for the present the time a& arrive
when More colonel ministers might wish to mod convicts
amend them. This was not the Slot, second, cr lktol nem
siem that the adenines wee attempted to be Maimed at the
111Lbat the renomination of the iahabitaate bed m-
ead Sew the Massa of tke maple there only expend
asete dna world to greater danger. What, for in-
' Ileseeoree to paned Jersey, or Gunny, or Jamaica, or
Oeylia,see is Mauritius from being
_converted into
ran enlisters ? Therefore, he wined to prise ter
the entire repeal of the powers of the Colonial
Searetny In this respect, and to unthaws powers ezeinaivety
ha millsonist. He did not propose by hie bill to inter
Ina ink the eplein of tranaportation, nor did be mesa to
, Oa ellskeset reflection oa the Colonial Secretary. On
Itho einnny, the Colonial &notary had to act hastily in
Wet the penal settlement when the nuance of convicts in-
Itimod. se they frequently did, with gnat rapidity in this
many. It any cos supposed that there would be a diminn.
ilia of the prerogative in taking away ;this power, seeing
that the crown had power to name the places
when gaols should be, It would be sees that
there was no analogy between the two seem,
But eves now, when such places as Panama bad to be
built out of the omendated fund, it was regains to obtain
a special set of parlament, it, at all events, an net et pall*
meat was neoneny to rase the funds ; and the petecine
which he sought tie the °Meeks was eYegell by her_ Map
piety's subjects at hone. Thom who had -aoudad to Ws
saWeet the last few years, and had weaned In °praline
INN have um the simemity of a in the penal
Tr urea bad been canted ea la Now Sank
Wilielleb:Lete Van Diana% Lead, and te Ned* bland, and
the elsepod, and than maned spin, se that peoltively tine
seinielndi knew whether they were mmalesisaiseer net.
In 18411 a
the
span wee adopted, elmseles peat nee en
As pert et time wbe advised It. Downtime wine seat. is
width Lord Grey showed the greaten abaft cad godsons
et Man. He did not wish for • mama le dimes that
erten, bat to point out the nods la wish no sudden
mermen arose, and which compelled the anernment to
leek lir a plan to which they might seat irk criminals.
They *ought of New South Weis, whisk had recently
been mods not a penal colony, and et Van Die-
men's Land ; but eventually it was easnaleed to
mad them to the Ca;• of Good Hope. Orden IMO Nat out
to Sir Many Smith, but they had barely boss sent eat when
sews came from the Governor of Bermuda that such was
the dillimilty of keeping order there that it was absolutely
neeneary not to increase the number of convicts there. The
onerpney was great, and, unfortunately for this country,
Lord Grey, without waiting for an gamier to the letter be
bad net to SJ Reny Smith, ordered 300 convicts whin
were to have been sent to Bermada to be seat to the Cape.
He need an go through the proceedings at the Cape wham
it was known that this mown had been resolved on ; be
amid not mention bow, unfortnately, the governor (Sir M.
Smith) bad pledged his word that the convicts should net be
leaded, and that two weeks afterwards he found he wee band
So obey the orders sent to him ; nor need he speak of the
want of onnfi lento which bad arisen' from the governoe
kreing broke. Ms word. Re seed nos recount the dine.
twee elide gereenneat had been compelled to have re.
MUM WI, in la desiring that the Caps was not to be a
pool 'admen, then that the sonnet were the only
Saul that shade be sent, thee that this was an innocent
Slum, only Irialimen—(a laugh) ; —nes that they had
eeneeited that description of dream whisk hardly was an
asset, and in fact the Weans were so softened down
that at last they could hardly find out why the convicts
had been transported at all. The hen. member concluded
by navies for lean to bring in the bilk
Mr. A. STAFFORD seended.

Sir O. GREY said the hoe. gentleman In one part of hie
speech very fairly adverted to the difficulty of this
question, being one which was rather upon the
bane than the colonial department. Bat he must
say he did not see how this difficulty vie
to be surmounted by the come taken by the bon. gentleman
who had proposed a measure that would increase the *mine-
rs' mint tenfold. The hon. gentleman said that this power
existed, not by prerogative, but by art of parliament, and he
proposed to repeal the power gives to the crown to fix places
to which convicts should be sent. He did Sot know whether
he rightly understood the hon, gentleman, that he pro
repeal m
simply to the Transportation Act, by which it eed
WY
enacted that the crown should name the VMS of
traasportation. There were statutes innumerable giving
the power of transportation, in some eases leaving it
to the digestion of the Judge, and in other emu
without the digestion of the judge, and et the coming seem
there would as doubt be many prieMen seamed to trans
prtatioa nada those acts, and what was to be done with
them primers If the power was taken away') The hon.
gentians* was aware that the power had existed, exalted he
would not say by prerogative, he would not make a question
of that, but it had been exercised by the crown under the
powers of statute.. There were certain statute' which autho-
rised transportation to the American colonies, and since
the period that transportation had been the main
secondary punishment the power had existed in
the crown, and he believed it was necessary and
essential to carry it into effect. The hos. gentleman had
' adverted at the close of his speech to the react occureenees
at the Cape of Good Hope. He (Sir George Grey) did not
want to advert to any circumstance' that occurred at the
Cape became he entered Lasthat subject fully last maim.
The boa madam' said that Sir Harry Smith had violated
his word; he said that flir Harry Smith gave seam
seenrame that the semis* would not be landed at the Cape
spinet the wishes of the inhabitants. He had
net braes his word. Not one of thou convicts had
bele landed. The honourable gentleman might, perhaps,
rear to the military convicts. He gave no remedy for
that. Military convicts were not sent to the Cape, or to any
other colony, by virtue of this net, but by virtue of the
Mutiny Act, and therefore the mediae of the Transpor-
tatioa Ad would not affect them. The hem gentleman
had looked, no doubt, carefully through the. provisions of
shale statetee : he said it was Wended to make the Cape
a peaal maiment. Now, that was looking at it in an
invidious mint of view. It did not Mow because
masa were met to it, that therefore It became
a peed satiment. Berinada end Gibraltar :were not
penal miteke. but by virtue of this statute which
the lam gandeema proposed to meal they were gent
thither jest es they were stet te Woolwich, where they
were kept to hard laser until they were sent to
Mir &ideates. With regard to the Cape, be did not wish
to say a word as to the promethezea the atheist' there.
:Eitel,
sue He their feeders het be net Me te mem in
the whthb the lien. medium bed paned urea them.
T that onnetutM the subject wee dfininithing
damegb the is the etetesom of transportation. Is
MU a gratifyieg Mike Melt plea, and, as far as the re-
am were new draws eh lie imam last year would be
NO km Otost reekleseems bed, however, been shown in
Indeed is modes Miler eselenees In 1844 only 'boa 800
Woad, had bmneedered the lemportation, while in 1848
the nee mote 1.700, led le 1849 to 3,000. He had now
stated the mar why be Meld not meat to this motion,
whisk he believed would Mame tenfold the enalgrreement
of the government in carrying oat the stateasee of tram
madam end woad fetter the due discretion of the govern-
ment in desling with eases of this nature, mime seam
Mega gem& mid be stated than had been urged
the bee. mama with regard to the Cep if Good
Mope, where the Mises had been fully . by the
government yieldiag to the determined rusemetrame of the
misniets • as* if they had sot dose so, he wee sure pulls-
meet mall est have tuned a deaf Mt to their complaints.
If that we the only ease ea whisk the proposal rested, he
Mead Mt pediment would not hastily adopt the *ages-
Yoe athe hem renter.
Oh W. MOLMIWORTH said the question was whether
the Colataielalso mile et male not to power the power
et by pima kr the tremportation of convicts ? The
hem gentles= (lb. Addeley) proposed to deprive It of
that powers eel be agreed in the maim, thinklag that the
Caned oist bed peeved itself sot well qualified to exercise
Wt
)ewer, MI meld notoble=trusted with h. (Hear,
hoer. In reef 111 that it Col only mem try
to to the Malik tit* plelli ftial ooro
with lewd to dm Cape if Good Hope, and to read one ur
oyf
tons ther tat aeasedi et Earl Grey athe 30th
of November. Mk or that of lik Bemy Smith, et the 6th
daysigiim M. (Hear, IsserA_Prene the Iser It ap-
peared ad oaths liked August. Md, tie pans &mealy
et SIM fee the %Mies seat a Mader to (Md.
earths them a eertaia destriptien of ameie lii
ge.eicet
lean mesa—ea a bees, and steams that saga skeuld be sets
tattler the many in quotas, especially the C
of their being so sent. (Hag. beim) And Siraireetz"Mg
was directed to take Immediately the Met moms mew
Wsisg W heliag sad opialee a the edam m the Mimi
Syr Sary ima•diatsty brought the maim maw Ms
attendee of the Legislative °moll et tlie....
I 1 and thereto,, made it 'mown to all the
. In es &Mgt he pledged his word that no coevicte soa.
Net to the Cape a
of
Hope. setae theiroW Slit
should be sainted of by the majority of the ag.
• magas. Lad Grey, ignited waiting for an alma to his

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