The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-11-11 00:00:00

The act was worthy of the council, and the 'council would
t°l3etifirfn it- (Hear, hear.) To go back. to 1837 and 1838,
e°tdd remind them that, in those glorious times, there was
-I;"reelY a conservative in the council. Every one who pro;
ssed eanservative princiles was turned oat. Althoug
reform party talked so highly of morality, Lhat was the
course followed by them. What gave the council a majority
()j conservatives ? The burgesses at large. (Hear, hear.)
thee people of Liverpool tried radical principles, and found_
441 wanting ; they then tried the other men, of
Them the council was now principally composed.
-,,,T,,burgesses were dissatisfied with the radicals,
11.4;1'1'0Y therefore sent in conservatives. (Hear, hear.)
more hJnest faithful discharge of the duties of the council i
lleter characterised that body than at present. (Hear,
ese.‘
coon „ bad been for fifteen years a member of the
liraie,e",•, and he recollected the time when Sir Joshua
let,.:lB,ey used to have to say that, if members did not
tle,''r attend the committees, he would move for a return of
t,e,attendances, that the burgesses might know who, among.
.40111 r
representatives, were the cause of the work not being
to (Hear, hear.) Now, he could maintain that Lever,
experieace were the duties of the council better dis- •
is 'ged than at present. No committee was ever neglected
honiq deparment, and the work was never more faithfully,
Ne,stlY, and regul irly done. (Hear, hear.)
at;',!* Robertson Gladstone : Mr. Mayor, there is an old I
14'y that a self-praise is no commendation:, Ido not
e o:v. whether Mr. Alderman Parker is very expert at
t4;llg texts, but I think this is se very happy ore, and
eo -.a little leisure bestowed ulna it might lead to very
ttil:sletrable good. Now, sir, in an age of progress such as
tis4t'ir. Parker has thoeght proper to carry us back over
*hid Years-:- to reeer for arguments to matters
sentineled curred. come twenty years ago. He has
,the 'lB :if what the Liberal party did when
4)eanoenali2 into power. With regard to Mr. John
terbtrece'ea 'qr. Parker has not stated the facts quite
Vinateiol; air. John Deane Case had an opportunity of
'leiald, if hl°tntivery liberal terms in that position which he
4 - hot °tight proper to do so ; but Mr. J. D. Case
of an at,
or his associates, and he availed himself
tetiee „o 1)," in which was presented to him, either to
r(to to remain in his situation as treasurer. There-
dtp;;" is Unfair to the reroroz partl-I.Q___Bax...that they
ufbn.i.,llY Man flOlll office in consequence of any difference
10-6,`Lical inions. Then, sir, what did we do in regard
know late town clerk, Mr. Foster? (Hear, hear.) We
"Tart Derfeetly well that he would not remain, for he had
tib ;need his intention to that effect ; but look at, the
4inne"tY withwhich he was treated. The council offered
tif: either very large sum of money, or else an annuity.
le-saviled himself of the one, and he refused the other.
''.chit ash unfortunately soon after terminated the
ki'qa/ Now. is it fair, that we are to be takea back to
rlt,irit7urred 20 years ago ? Why, sir, acting upon that
th.3' other, might expect tr.• find that lair. Parker, some
4t, el'. would be rooting at the bottom of Dale-
eaehe„ur .Tames'-street, to look for some of the old
Ret,? which used to travel to Chester, and to London,
/44ile,3,nsg. altogether that thaea were such things as
th') NO the world. (.:sear, hear, and loud cheer.
lialt4sta 'atever became o? this council—whoever
(Flee to whom
us ',is dignities are entrusted—for God's
e, hdivee none of those who would go backwards.
eri) set us have men who will go onwards, and
110,7 the,— 'All measures which shall be beneficial to their
s' of whatever kind, and not men who will cling
at a.r•ct'ettos .which are bad and rotten to the very root.
ep',l ''!ar.) Now, sir, it is always a very unpleasant,
el'elqY unpalatable task, especially I may say to
Ott,t, feel it so, to have to differ with others upon a
I},ch rowehere, if harmony could be preserved, it would be
' Ste, re desirable, and I did not propose to touch upon
i,,,Nitr,lcet of Mr.' Shand's qualifications, unless his
ferl allons had been well stirred up by those who pro- "t 1 second.d him. I did not catch very distinctly tin 41arks.
t)ft tik whkii fell from Mr. Turner, beyond this that
Cl.
,illnderstObd him to say that Mr. Shand filled the
441'eridemePa'• r.v=chairman of the dock committee, and that
9pakrars'eq mportint'services there. Now, I really have
ftl'4l ill-feeling whatever towards Mr. Shand. Mr.
ih`!, theca a. good, and, perhaps, a better man than myself,
r:tefore, in speaking of him, I deal with matters
tit °,te tie ate immediately to the proposal which is now
111A0 Place him in the chair which you have filled,
liCktt,„.4lstingulshed a manner. Now, sir, Mr. Tobin, who
4,'1414,4ekh and very able supporter of any cause he takes
ot",sYar4 "%s, I think, in his adventures in search of a
lD•t.-tulation, travelled a little too far. He has spoken
le . oh
110,ee, ,-,341(1's services as chairman of the pilots' corn.
ratio, hick. I contend, is not a committee of this cor•
kkt'ltlitli:; and, moreover, by way of strengthening his
tkit etardation, he informed us that a more admirable
ti \lcit Cejl, more experienced, and fitter for their duties,
tr, .IPtound than the pilots. There I take exception
lilt la I do not think such is the case ; however,
tetit,,cuatter of individual opinion, but as he alluded to
re:P. , eill're to mention what occurs to me upon the subject.
Dt E,
4si,..t,hg disclaimed all personal motives, permit
council what is the recommendation which
tOlieeLuate fur the high appointment of Mayor can
iiitittitnlZTat are, the qualifications he possesses in order
toi„tkled' is "int t the distinction ? I say that it was
of parliao nient—that it consists with the tone and
to,llDeaf,"le Nlunicipal Reform Act—that the individual to
ul,l
e
tipbeita'rF,te especialyl„(l as maor should have conferred upon the
tlelf", y some very eminent services. Now,
tkny one of ihe friends o Mr. Shand to rove
Dcl,,yx. s nand has so distinguished himself. In the first
Mayor, Mr. Shand has been twice rejected by
that he constituencies. In the next place—in the
yore °f that expression of public opinion—be was by
51e ate Party to whom Mr. Earle has so forcibly alluded,
e,teoloy,,,,lderman. Well, then, sir, although there are
tleosit7iltees•—.if I am not incorrect—belonging to the
'iolutteall°4.l Mr. Shand was no sooner appointed an
it' be ,; 'nag he was put upon no one of them. It is
t4tathe deenet upon the deck committee, but I contend
committee is not a committee of this cur-
eo,„'•Now, sir, it was incumbent unon the majority
40 hi "'ell, who made Mr. Shand an alderman, to
°trj4l7°committees. There lam
;red t n some of the was,
,ts,ll, to° BaY, to all appearances, an intentional evasion
.W.hieh I must consider, unless I am otherwise
th,v hat Was tt,nat Mr. Shard was, more or less, a party.
Pt' 48044.'5' Fonseceaence ? That the labour, the duties,
ie,t the oluillties Which attach to Mr. Shand as a mem-
lkkleltiteey".rP".ation, were either not attended to at all,
leke'fr,,_,l'ere performed by us. Nov, Mr. Shand was
,'l,ittohgwer of the council. I consider it an honour to
~'llaCtier of the council ; but what consideration has
,Liven-„ for that honour ? I contend that, on the
Shand, having had that distinction conferred
LAt it:Aand given nothing in return for it, he is already
6victht to the corporation. And how is it proposed
rtrltitellltl repay the corporation what he owes ? By
mayor.—by increasing the debt. This is the
i',l,ell,aaproerit which is given to parties to enter this
itti,reeehis is the mode in which many of the members
and übmit to dictation. It is probably reported
‘l7kelofet such an individual is walking about the
Pop 'rerpool with an offer of the mayoralty in his
Vtlh,Polet"erne six, eight, or ten months before the day
sN',,tot went arrives. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, an.
k'at'llao-qa been used, not here, but I have heard it
I lINe;i1 • .Slr. Shand's friends, that ho has spent a
tl4ltitt,'‘ deal money in the town. No doubt he has spent
°J money, and I dare say many members of
kllVave received some of the money,
.but_ v‘.
VIC (1;4 to pay Mr. Shand thus hy making him
yatlaiontear, hear.) That will not do; that is not a
114," t;',,Ple• However, sir, whilst I have stated the
tkNpptt /Zioh I entertain, arid which I think ought to
ie ,s'iken into consideration, I shall act upon the
1144114e3,'a•ve already stated. I was desirous of giving
4141`)" of what I felt, and I have done so ; but, so
ole.coneerned, and many of those with whom I
',,'t},'llcii?,sure to act, it is not our wistfthat the time of
t 0 4 rt„°;10111d be taken up further, but that those who
• 'shy—unfortunately I say—should adopt the
kilt link best, without any further interruption
9 A (tie
r''ttillt ar. hear.)
it. Turner claimed the right of reply. He
rlict.cl/444e said, in order to vindicate the gentleman
\.k,,,Whi,akti minated from the very unfair and unjust
Vt.` ".4 had been made on him by some of the
ttl.
1e.1,11a ''arle •If n have the right of reply, I also
a . you
: If any person should be allowed 'the
i'.4lll.st b, tt Certainly should be Mr. Turner. Improper
sji:wer,vations have been made, and he certainly
~RlPikt43,o, the privilege of reply.
lit can, as mover of the resolution, claim it
rear, hear.)
Z%k, 'ner their proveded to reply. He said he
few words in vindication •of his friend, Mr.
d,gci'3ha '%'" thought. had been very unfairly attacked
hytrieeding speakers. Mr. Gladstone said that
not been put upon any committee of the
• 'at, therefore, he was not fairly entitled to the
:ICv4tilli,Nr:v4B now proposed to be conferred upon him.
44' re
,s',ltlla,''ltner) should be glad to know from Mr.
‘'
Re/list'e was the object is sending, or what was the
1t;44,.(:;ie? Iftnan sent, down from the council to the dock
t
heir members at the dock committee acted
seemed to intimate—he hoped Mr. Glad-
tN.tit-; tsr-:"..nn that principle himself—but if, when
they sent down from the council to the dock
'l,o*.llnt were expected not to work at all—that
ke4 130,c0 \ were
re Ocount for nothing—he should be glad
nneit Purpose they were sent there at all, or
frOt, to tivsretained the power of sending twelve repre-
`liVtaisa. dock olmmittee (Hear, hear.) It was
I,t4lin' doctrine to lay down, and one which
scat re heard of—the doctrine, that though
lye e "wn twelve members to the dock,
'optsl. o oars or
those gentlemen at the dock com.-
~Teall.,,,lee•d oe considered, when the question of their
/I'tttoind 4.1-44`e% for the mayoralty came before the
;401111,C`"erlhOtlearo' tey should only take into account the
ti a, lel% "Pon committees which were strictly
iNtlt4, leThe thought that if that were told to their
Itt --'°"---who were anxious to throw dirt on
NINO• fh
dideY sent down gentlemen to the dock
an • nt,t expect those gentlemen to work at
3' e •
tt 'h ;consideredrn.,, the .
ight render to that cora-
''ll;l4';l r/TiZtit--*"itt tblie,..- by the council as of the
0, Ito te cooeoive't were made known to their opponents,
i 41' ta,L eonne. anything that would be more pre-
41e orta
a), eh, ,
thu
did : Will you allow me to say, in
?that ro_.°l;l not state anything of the kind. I
4to itR never Bent by the council to the dock
114 intended to work. I made a different
tisane
oalf rcht:hati.d.
I cemplained that he did
private committees of the council.