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TOWN COUNCIL.

The adjourned meeting of the Town Council was
held in the Town Hall, at eleven o'clock yesterday.
The Mayor, Mr. Francis Shand, presided.

GARDENS' COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee contained the fol-
lowing recommendations :-1. That the garden in \Vols.
tenholme square be abandoned, and that the same be
paved and a suitable lamp erected in the centre. 2.
To authorise the committee to procure gravel for the
gardens in Abercromby and Falkner squares.
Mr. Gardner moved that the proceedings be con-
Armed.
Mr. Earle Rsked whether the gardens in the squares
were to be kept hi better order for the future.
Mr. Beckwith said for the last 16 years the contract
for keeping the gardens in order had been in the hands
of one party, and of late they had not been very well
kept, but arrangements were to be made under which
they would be better kept for the future.
The proceedings were confirmed.

CAUHCIT EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee comprised a re-
commendation to reduce the rents of St. Michael's
Church, Pitt street.
Mr. Banner moved the confirmation of the general
proceedings.
31r. W. P. Jeffreys seconded the motion.
Mr. Robertson Gladstone said as there was a vacancy
caused in St. George's Church choir by the death of Mr.
Holden, he hoped the committee would take into e,n.
sideration the financial condition of the chuich, and
reduce the immense and injustifiable 'expenditure for
the choir. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Banner, in calling ar.ention to the special recom-
mendation with regard, to St. Michael's Church, stated,
that the neighbe:..,rhood of that church was very much
altered. P arsons of great influence and wealth who
Used
live in that neighbourhood had all gone.
-.!‘g best pews of the church were scarcely occupied .
The re was, however, a large number of persons in the
tank of tradesmen and others, who would take a number
hi pews in the church, if the ren's were reduced. The
riqi:al of the church, at present, was but £7.5. Ile
begged, therefore, to move that the recommendation be
confirmed.

Mr. Alderman Cooper said he was informed that the
gross rents of that church was £497, whereas, the anal
income derived from it was hut £75. He did not see
bow reducing the rent would increase 'ihe income—if he
reduced the rents of his property Le retied that, on the
contrary, his income was reamed. Ire thought it better
not to take the trouble of collecting such a rental at all.
He suggested, therefore, that the church should be
thrown open free, and concluded 'ay moving an amend-
ment to that effect.
Mr. Alderman Payker. seconded the amendment.
Mr. Gladstone ":aid he could not allow this question
to pass with"-ar making one or two remarks. It was a
lamentaw
.ate thing that the church should arrive at such a
P"... in a situation highly respectable, such as the
PeOlioUrhood where the church of St. Michael's stood,
~hat no invitation couk induce the people to come into
it. It was, indeed, a most lamentable circumstance, and
one, the causes of which ought to be traced to the very
root. (Hear, hear.) There must be something. The
eanse must be in the pulpit or somewhere, There must
be gross neglect somewh' re, and it ought to be discovered.
Here was a church, which, if it were in the hands of any
private individual, he cared not who the individual
might be, and its spiritual and temporal affairs managed
by that individual, a great change would soon be seen in
its rental. (Hear, hear.) It was perfectly lamentable.
As to the mere question of £75 a year, it was scarcely
worth talking abort ; but under all the circumstances
of the case„before the church was thrown open, as the
last resort, he thought they should certainly adopt the
Plan proposed by the committee, and re 'uee the rents
nne-half.
Mr. Anderson thought Mr Gladstone was somewhat
'under a wrong impression, when he supposed that, be-
cause there was but a small amount collected, the church
must necessarily not be well filled. (Hear, hear) Many
churches were very well filled, although only a small
amount was collected there. It had been found in Lon-
don, Glasgow, and several other towns, that from the
tradesmen, and others of a higher class going out of
town the pews were not taken. He was not in favour of
ihe suggestions made by Mr. Cooper, to have the church
thrown open free. He was one of those who thought
that the lower class liked to consider the seats their own,
and to pay a small rental, say ss. or 10s. a year. (Hear,
hear.) He believed there was a most excellent clergy-
man in St. Michael's Church, and from what he had
heard, he was not certain of the fact himself, he believed
that the church was very well filled. The adoption of
the recommendation to lower the rents, he thought would
answer the purpose desired.
Mr. Wagstaff said there was a very great and decided
improvement lately in St. Michael's Church, owing to
the exchange of ministers, from Mr. Morrell, and Mr.
Gnat= being appointed in his place. He had attended
there on some occasions of late, and observed a growing
increase of congregation. He had no hesitation in
saying that the Gospel was faithfully preached there,
more so than it ever had been before.
Mr. Danner, in replying, stated that he understood
the congregation was much improved.
Finally, Alderman Cooper withdrew his motion, and
the proceedings of the committee were confirmed.
OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee were confirmed,
without discussion.
WATER COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee were read.
Mr. Alderman Cooper was appointed chairman in the
room of Mr. George Holt, and Mr. William Earle,
vice-chairman.
Mr. Alderman Cooper moved the confirmation of the
proceedings.
Mr. Alderman Parker thought that the time come
'Then they ought to know their position in retard to the
Itivington scheme better than they now did. There
was a good deal of talk out of doors about a leakage in
the works, and he was informed, on good authority, that
it would take something like £40,000 to put it all to
rights. He wished to know if that were the fact ?
Mr. Sheil would also feel obliged if the chairman
would tell them how near the water was at present to
Liverpool. There was a great variety of opinions on
the subject. and it would be well if it were set at rest.
( Hear, hear )
Mr. James Holme said that the chairman, th, deputy
chairman, and himself, had spent the last two days at
Rivington, and he was happy to say that the works
were nearly completed. There was a little leakage, but
as no engineer could thoroughly look into the bowels of
the earth, it Was one which could not have been
foreseen. The rock at the place in question was com-
pletely uplifted, and through it the water percolated ;
but that it would cost £40,000 to set it to rights was
absurd. it would cost nothing like it ; but, at the same
time, now that the rock was open, they should endeavour
to avoid any future evil if possible. (Hear, hear.) As
regarded. the quality of the water, he was sure that the
public of Liverpool would be perfectly satisfied with it,
If they would but wait a little until they had tried it.
The works were all completed, the pipes, in which very
few fractures had occurred, were nearly all laid, and he
did hope that by the first of January a .plentiful supply
of water would be brought through them into the town.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Bernard Hall observed that the council was
indebted to Mr. James Holme for the information he had
given them, but he differed from those gentlemen who
thought Mr. Alderman Parker's observations out of
place. He believed with Mr. Parker, that the public
ought to have full information regarding this question,
and if the chairman of the committee afforded to the
council that information which was necessary from time
to time, they would not have to complain of erroneous
statements, which were made in consequence of the
committee not giving the council fuller inform than on
the subject. (Hear, hear )
Mr. W. Earle remarked, that if in the first instance
the public had sought that information which they now
thought was so necessary to be given, they would never
have spent £lOO,OOO in contesting the matter at law,
That was the great blot in their escutcheon, and though
they might attempt to turn it as they liked, they could
not alter it.
Mr. T. R. Jeffery said that he had read the proceedings
of the council with sorrow on this subject. It was stated
by Mr. Earle that £lOO,OOO had been foolishly expended
in legal expenses in the matter, but he (Mr. Jeffery)
should remind the council that it was because the cost
of the work at that period was estimated at £500,000,
that it received so strong an opposition out of doors.
The opposition had not been entered on, because of any
feeling that Liverpool should not have at some future
period an additional supply of water, but because they
believed that the information which was then before the
public was not of a satisfactory character, as was after-
wards proved by experience, and,erttb,akiat..ng,. 8,6 g it would not be
undertaking.
wise to embark in so large ann that
they had just then purchased another
estate fur
th
re
£600,000. They had been told that they couldd
sand not
longer obtain supplies of water from the atone,
but what was their experience ? Why, that just doable
the quantity of water was produced from that source
now as then. (Hear, hear.) And he believed be was
right in stating, that if additional lifting power
laid down, and more bores made, a still larger supplywere
would be obtained. ;At
,that time a member of the

water committee, of which Mr. Earle was also a Mem-
ber, called on him (Mr. Jeffery), and asked him what
was wanted out of doors? He replied, " information
that would justify them to reject the home supply and
go to Rivinwon," The gentleman called on him again,
and assured him that that information would be afforded
to the public, but the next time he called he told him
that though the information had been collected, that the
committee were unwilling to submit it to the pub-
lic. On whose side, then, had been the
want of good faith ? Or to whom should Mr.
Earle's remarks have been applied ? To the pro-
moters of the scheme undoubtedly, and not to its
opponents. (Hear, hear-) If good faith had been kept
with the opponents—if it had been stated that the
scheme would cost nearer £1,000,000 than £500,000,
which he had at the time maintained, and for which he
had been ridicule;:—did they think that the community
would have sanctioned it ? He was certain they would
not have sanctioned it, and yet who would deny but that
that would be its total cost? (Hear, hear.) Turning
from that subject, however, there were two or three
questions which he should like to ask the Chairman of
the committee. They were told that they would have
the Rivington water by the lst of January, He should
like to know how it was to be conveyed to the different
houses ? Would it be mixed with the sandstone water,
or would it be supplied through different conduits? He
believed that they would. have a memorial from the
medleal profession of Coe town against any attempt at
mixing the water, He was told that in Liverpool a
peculiar disease was almost unknown b cause of the
purity of the water, and he was also told that, if the
Rivington water were mixed with it, they could no
longer probably be able to boast of exemption Prom the
sickness. Now, that was a most important considera-
tion; and, though the Water might be good for manu-
facturing purposes, it might, on the other hand, be unfit
for human use. It was the duty of the committee to
look to it in time. (Heir, hear.)
Mr. Alderman Bald reminded Mr. Jeffery that, in
getting an additional supply of water from the home
sources, they had drained all the wells in the surround-
ing district. (Hear, hear.) He himself had been a
sufferer by it. In 1344 he lived in the neighbourhood
of one of the wells, and had plenty of water. When the
additional borings were made the supply ceased, and
now he had to pay 6e guineas a year for water.
Mr; Alderman S. Holme regretted that they should
have discussed the question ad nauseam. Mr. Jeffery
stated that good faith had not been kept with the
opponents of the scheme. He (Mr. Holme) had
listened for the circumstances in which that faith had
not been kept. but had heard of none. Instead of
not keeping faith, Mr. Jeffery should have known that
it was mutually agreed that an engineer should be
appointed to take the whole subject into consideration,
and that both parties should be bound by his decision.
Mr. Jeffery : That was after the expense had been
incurred

Mr. Alderman Holme continued : Mr. Stephenson was
the engineer appointed, and upon his decision the council
very properly acted. With reference to the supply that
Mr. Jeffery had spoken off, his argument on that head
was easily met. They were told that it was possible to
raise from the home sources 45,000,000 gallons per week,
but what was that to a population of 400,000 people.
(Hear, hear.) Moreover, it should be remembered that
the old company would not undertake to supply water to
the manufacturers—that they would only supply it to
small high pressure engines, and seeing that he , (Mr.
Holme) would ask if it were not time for them to seek
somewhere else for an unlimited supply of an article
alike essential to their physical health and manufacturing
prosperity. (Hear, hear.) Rivington was the nearest
place, and there they went. As to the expense, they
should bear in mind that for three or four years they
had lost the interest on the pipes through the gentlemen
who opposed them, and that they had also been com-
pelled to purchase the Chorley works. Wages, too, had
risen in the interim, and they had been obliged to pay
sums for land which, under the original act, they would
not have been asked for. The town of Liverpool, how-
ever,had not been called on, and would not be called on,
to pay an increased penny of rates, and as soon as they
could supply Wavertree and other districts, his impres-
sion was, that instead of there being an increase in the
rate, there would be a surplus for the liquidation of the
principal sum of the cost of the works.
Mr. Banner reminded Mr. Holme, that Mr. Stephen-
son would have advised them to go on with the supply
from the red sandstone, rather than .to proceed to Riving-
ton ; were it not that, at the time, they had expended
£70,000 in the matter. He (Mr. Banner,) had all along
maintained, and would again say, that if the original
plan had been persevered in, they might have obtained
water from the red sandstone in the district to any
extent. How was it that the previous' company supplied
all the water required of them, and increased the supply
as the population increased, by providing additional
stations, and by anticipating the demand.
Mr. Clint rose to order : They were not now discussing
the wisdom of the scheme, hut the proceedings of the
committee for the last month.

Mr. Banner replied that, if the oljection had been
taken earlier he would not have pressed his observations.
He would, however, abide by the decision of the mayor.
The Mayor decided that the whole discussion was irre—
gular, and that it would be better to stop it.
Mr. A. C. Stewart observed that it had been begun by
the promoters of the scheme, by Mr. Earle casting re-
flections on its opponents, and it was but right that they
should be saddled with the blame who deserved to bear
it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. W. Earle : You may saddle me with as much
blame as you please, sir. (Laughter.)
Mr. Alderman Cooper maintained that the bringing
water in such a supply from Rivington, would be the
salvation of Liverpool ; and, instead of the cost being a
million, it would not be largely in excess of Mr. Haw-
kcsley's estimates. He had aways drank the Rivington
water, and the state of his health might be taken as a
proof of its purity and c:wellence. (Laughter.)
Mr. Beckwith : But is it to he mixed with the sand-
stone water, or conveyed in different pipes ?
Mr. Alderman Cooper : I do not think that I am in
a position to ansxer that question. (Laughter.)
Mr. Beckwith : And you are the chairman of the cotn-
mittee ! (Renewed laughter.)
The discussion then closed, and the proceedings were
confirmed.

LIBRARY AND MUSEUM COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee contained the
following recommendation, that Mr. Allom be instructed
to prepare a design for a new facade for the building as
designed by him, on the plan signed " Con Amore," so
that the entire cost of the building shall not exceed
£26,000 (on the understanding that there be no engage-
ment that Mr. Allom shall be subsequently employed);
and that Mr. Cockerell, or some other eminent architect,
be then consulted as to the adaptation of the building as
altered, for the purposes of the library and museum.
Mr. Picton proceeded to move the confirmation of the
proceedings. He said, in order that the recommenda-
tion should be properly intelligible to the gentlemen
present, it would be necessary for him briefly to relate
the facts which had occurred since the matter last
appeared before the council. The gentlemen present
would recollect that, at the last council meeting for
general business, the premiums were awarded to the
two plans respectively signed Con Amore and Alma, with
the understanding that the council was not pledged to
adopt either plan, unless, after further consideration,
they deemed it advisable. The matter was then referred
to the committee to report upon. After some conside-
ration, a resolution was unanimously agreed to, that the
plan called Con Amore should be carried nut, provided
the council agreed, at an expense not exceeding £32,000.
After that res 'lution was carried, finding, from
conversations with members of the council, and, more
especially, of the finance committee, that there would be
a very serious objection to the carrying out of that resolu-
tion, on the ground that the council funds were not in
a condition to warrant any further appropriation of
money, and at the same time that Mr. Brown was
becoming very naturally uneasy at the long continued
delay which occurred, and pressing for a settlement,
and feeling very desirous that the matter should receive
definite determination one way or the other, he (Mr.
Picton) felt himself called upon, as chairman of the com-
mittee, to summon the committee again together, and
lay the circumstances before them, in order that sme
mode might be devised by which the objection of
members of the finance committee upon financial
grounds might be met, and at the same time to satisfy
gr. Brown by proceeding with the work immediately.
(Hear, hear.) The committee accordingly met, and there
was considerable difference of opinion, although the
previous resolution had been carried unanimously. A
resolution was proposed that Mr. Allom should be
instructed to prepare a design for a facade so built as to
bring the total cost within the means at the committee's
disposal, namely, £26,000. That resolution was
negatived by a majority of one. Another resolution was
proposed that the plans of Con Amore should be set
aside entirely, and some eminent architect should be
selected to prepare plans afresh, and begin de novo.
That also was negatived by a majority of one.
The resolution which stood upon the paper was then
proposed, and, after some discussion, was carried by a
majority of one. Now, in that divided state of the
committee, he (Mr. Picton) did not feel himself called
*Pon to offer, at present at least, any opinion upon the
resolution as it stood, more especially as, in consequence
of the great difference of opinion amongst the committee,
he, as chairman, did not think it would be right or

seemly in himself to vote either on the one side or the
other. No doubt the gentlemen who took the different
sides would be able to explain their own views very
muck better than he could explain them. It was his
duty, however, as chairman of the committee, to move
the resolution pro forma, and to leave the matter in the
hands of the council, without offering any opinion what-
ever on. the merits of the resolution as it stood.
Mr. FleMitig seconded the motion.
Mr. Steains, as a member of the library and mnsetind
committee, wished to state his reasons for objecting to
the report, at least to that portion of it which recom-
mended that Mx. Aiken shotald be inthrkted to prtrare
a design for a new facade to the bUilding, as designed by
him in the plan signed Con Amore He did so with
some diffidence and much regret, for lie considered
it to be, generally speaking, a sound rule, that
the minority of a committee should bow to the decision
of the majority. (Hear.) But as the Chairman had very
properly and teniporately stated, they were in a certain
dilemma, and a full committee one day passed a reso-
lution by a majority of one, which the next day if one
gentleman happened to be absent was rescinded ; he
felt those present would agree With Min, that it was
netessary to appeal from the committee to the general
council—to appeal from Philip mystified to Philip clear.
H opposed the adoption of the recommendation upon
two grounds. First, that the latter part of it was in
direct antagonism to the preceding clause. To instruct
Mr. Allom to prepare a rico, design, and then to propose
calling in Mr. Cockerell, or some other eminent architect
to decide upon, it was implying a want of confidence in
Mr. Allow, ozh'ch he thought lutist be fatal to the em-
ployment of him as an architect of the proposed building,
Secondly, the resolution, taken as a whole, notwithstand-
ing the proviso which was introduced, would lead to an
implied hope or ex? station that Mr. Allom would be
ultimately employed as architect in the erection of the
proposed building. Now, he thought it very desirable
that the library committee and the council should main-
tain the vantageground which they at present occupied, in
being perfectly free from any engagement to any archi-
tect, implied or otherwise, and unfettered by any plan,
until the subject bad been fully considered under the
advice, and guided by the judgment, of the most eminent
architect they could obtain. (Hear, hear.) In anything
he bad to state, he wished to be distinctly understood
that he was actuated by no feeling or motive either
adverse or favourable to Mr. Allom. He wished to
speak of that gentleman with the respect to which his
abilities entitled him, but he could not altogether forget
that Mr. Allom had already carried off a prize of 150
guineas, by the most flagrant violation of the conditions
laid down for the guidance of the committee. (Hear, hear.)
It was true that Mr. Allom had prepared a plan very
captivatinc, to the eye, and most creditable to the taste
and refined judgment of the architect, but still there
were other considerations of a most weighty and
important nature. For a library and museum, the most
important considerations were light, ventilation, adap-
tation and arrangement of space, but he for one, like
other gentlemen of the committee, did not feel come-
petent to give an opinion upon the questions of light and
ventil ition, but should wish to have the advice and judg-
ment of some eminent architect, upon which he might
steady his own opinion. He might, perhaps, venture an
opinion upon the plan of the facade, and upun the
adaptation of space, but he could nut venture uyon the
questions of light and ventilation. It must be borne in
mind, that if the plan of Con Amore were carried out in
full integrity, with all the ornamental sculpturing and
bas reliefs, it would probably cost £60,000 or £70,000.
whereas the whole amount at the disposal of the com-
mittee was £26,000. He denied that in the course he
was about to suggest he was advocating delay, which
would amount to indifference, or neglect, of the gift of
one of Liverpool's noblest and most munificent sons.
(Hear hear ) He contended that in the difficulties
surrounding the committee, the course be was about to
propose was the best the council could adopt, and con-
cluded by proposing, as an amendment, that an eminent
architect be consulted, and requested to make drawings
for the proposed library and museum, at a cost not to
exceed £26,000, and that a deputation be appointed to
confer with Mr. William Brown upon the subject.
Mr. Earle seconded the motion, reserving for the
present the right of making any observations.
Mr. Bold asked to have a letter read which had been
addressed by Mr. Lewis Horublower, architect, to the
Mayor, upon which, he stated, he intended to found a
motion when the first question had been disposed of.
The council agreeing to the suggestion, the following
letter was read :

Clarendon buildings, South John• stree'
December 2ud, 1856.
TO THE WORSHIPFUL TIIE MAYOR OF LIVERPOOL.

Sir,—The object upon which I have the honour to address
you, will probably form a portion of the proceedings of to-
morrow. I allude to the proceedings and resolutions of the
library and museum committee, relative to the proposed new
building in Shaw's-brow. Owing to the very stringent con-
ditions and instructions of the committee, added to their
enormous requirements and proposed limited outlay of
£20,000, I was excluded, conscientiously, from sending in a
design at the late competition for the proposed build-
ing. My design was made in March last, after
much careful consideration of the requirements ; but I
found it perfectly impo,sible to comply with the instruc-
tions of the committee as regarded co. t. Thinking
that it was perfectly useless to send my design in, when
knew that it far exceeded in cost the limits of the committee, I
refrained from doing so. When, however, I found that the
premiums had been awarded to designs exceeding the proposed
outlay by three or four times the amount specified, and that
the prizes had been awarded and paid to the selected eandi_
dates ; and learning from the speech of the chairman of the
committee, at the last monthly council, that although those
prizes had been awarded, that still the committee were net
bound by any or either plan, but that they were ope❑ to receive
other designs more suitable as to convenience and cost, I
thought that I had a fair right to submit my plans for the
inspection of the library committee. I sent in a written
request, and waited upon them, anxiously expecting a favoura-
ble reply, naturally desirous to submit the results of much
thought and labour ; but I was informed that the
committee could not comply with my request. As I
feel confident, from the expressed opinion of my professional
brethren, that my plans exhibit and provide all the accommo-
tion required, conjoined with simplicity of construction and
economy, I am compelled, in justice to myself, to appeal to
your worship and the Town Council of Liverpool to do justice
to a Liverpool architect. I therefore humbly request your
worship's permission to submit my plans for the inspection of
the council (the plans accompany this communication),
together with the bona fide estimates of some of the most
respectable tradesmen i❑ Liverpool, for its erection complete.
The following are the estimates :-
1. Mr. Hugh Yates, Earl-street, for the ex-
cavation, brick and stonework £lB,lOO 0 0
2. Mr. James Burroughes, for the carpenter's
and joiner's work
3. Mr. Crellin, plumbing, painting, &c
4. Mr. Thomas Jones, plastering

T0ta1....

6,300 0 0
1 920 0 0
2,625 0 0

.. £27,945 0 0

If the Minton's tile floor, for central hall, be
adopted
Statues, lke.. 450 0 0
Warming and ventilation

Grand total
Apologising to your worship for this long statement, and
trusting for a favourable consideration of my request, I have
the honour to be, sir, your worship's obedient humble servant,
LEWIi IL,IMBIIWER, Architect.
Mr. J. It. Jeffery contended that if the council accepted
Mr. William Brown's princely offer of £12,000, and
made it the basis of their arrangements, they ought to
accept it with the conditions which Mr. Brown had
attached to it, that the Con Amore plan be carried
out. He contended that such a condition was
attached by Mr. Brown, and if any appli-
cation had been made to Mr. Brown subse-
quently, that could be the only way through which the
committee could possibly creep. He took it that two
questions were involved in this subject. First, the'edu
cational question. Second, a town improvement ques-
tion, which he would not set'aside at all. (Hear, hear.)
They were expending money in various quarters
for the improvement of the town, and very
properly, inasmuch as the majority of the rate-
payers would be benefi ttecl in proportion as
the town was improved, and made an object of attraction
to parties coming from the midland counties and other
places. The question, he contended, should be kept in
view in deciding upon the plan to be selected. He
regretted very much that Mr. Cockerel's name had been
introduced, for it placed members of the council in a
very invidious position when it became necessary for
them to deal with gentlemen by name. But Mr.
Coekerell was, to some extent, the architect of the
council, and had been the producer of what was all but
unanimously condemned in the surrounding of St.
George's Hall. (Hear, hear.) When he was told that
Mr. Brown's proposition could not be accepted upon the
terms on which it was offered, because they had no
money, he could not help answering that they would
have funds enough if they stopped Mr. Cockerell's
wasteful expenditure, and applied it to that purpose.
(Hear, hear,) The manner in which St. George's
Ilan was surrounded made them a laughing stock, not
only in Liverpool, but to parties of acknowledged taste
coming from a distance. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Bernard Hall said he did not see his way clearly
in regard to the question at. all. In the first place, they
were about a erect a library and museum, but did not
know what funds they had available for the purpose.