The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-20 00:00:00

EVENING, APRIL 20, 1850.

seer why, dies, did they refine those ionisation to their
Australian Expertise@ proved that they were welt
adapted to Asalo•fithen esatraalties of a ,lar site la
Alperin. It wee said, however, that the laltableasts
of their Australiaa missies were morally sad Istrlisethally
inferior to the lahabittats of the beekweed ant/sties of the
flatted States. Did that inforlerity exist ? Aad if It did
wheelie did it arise ? It it did exist it anise ham the Ma-
ma between the Aserteas laude of eoloaleation sad that of
the Coyalakilles. For AMAMI* ookeeleatioa coseisted of

the westward it a poetics of the people of the
UMW 111lelsa—s portion of ad Moss migrated—My aerie
with them is reality, and sot se a legs! Ratios, the laws, the
rights, sod the liberties of /Morisse citizen. They were
at meat, sod would have It. Ala the best
peados the emigrants tram Noshed went to the back-
wend Mess, sad empmei a large lionise of the po-
pulation of Wisisewein, fliebegen, and lowa, said, in fact,
is Illagliebinae, whim ho migrated to the United
grates, lambi with him is reality all the laws, rights,
end Marie of en het if he emigrated to
their mu esiseles en rushing esisoisl soil he lost some of
the most redeem of his liberdes, and became the subject
of aa Jemmied sad irresponsible despot at the antipodes.
Now, what was the precise difference beltway the
two plane ? The noble lord proposed that there
should be getiblished in each of these colonies a
legislature to consist of not more than four-and.
twenty member; and that the number of members, the
amount of their quslifications, and the amount of the fres-
*Mae should be flied by the leoislatures new by law estab-
lished in these colonies. He (Sir W. Kolesworth) would
propose precisely the same thing, and would steppes, for
simplicity of argument, that the number of members should
be fixed at 24. Next the noble lord proposed that these 24
members should be divided into two classes, of 16 and 8
members respectively. He proposed the same thing, but
the noble lord proposed that the eight members should
he aomiaated by the Colonial-office, and sit in the
same house as the sixteen members who were to be
elected by the rople. On the contrary, he proposed
that both the eight and the sixteen members should be
elected by the people, and sit in different homes. There-
fore the question between the noble lord and himself was
simply this, was it likely or not that the Colonial office
would by nomination select out of the materials in these
colonies eight men for each colony who would be better qua-
lilted to be members of a legislature than those which the in.
habitants of these colonies would themselves elect? That
was the whole question stripped of extraneous matter, idle
fallecie, and other modes of deception and mystification. That
wee the question for the committee to decide. Those who
voted with the noble lord, and against his motion, would
vote for Colonial-ofhoe nomination and against popular
election—would vote implicit confidence in the Colonial-
office, and no coat fence in the inhabitants of these colonies,
and would vote that their Australian colonists were so morally
degraded, and so intellectually despicable, that they ought not
to be entrusted with institutions which theory and experience ;
had proved to be best adapted for the government of similar
communities of Angl*Saxon men in other portions of the
globe.
The amendment was then put
Mr. /I DENISON said that he had a short time
before been very anxious for the success of this bill, even
though the house seemed to be in favour of two chambers.
Since that, however, he had had sufficient reasins for chang-
ing his opinion. What was the case as regarded New South
Wales? It was said that the inhabitants of New South
Wales were generally satisfied with the insatations they
possessed. It was argued that it would be unwise ann
nereseosable in them to interfere with those institutions
with which the colony itself was artist d. The argu.
nest was that at that time they did not possess
sufficient information to guide them in making
any change of policy in that rep Lei. Tit, es reasons did
appear to him to be sufficient to justify him in eupportieg the
pr voeitioa at it presented itself to them. In the course, how-
ever, of the discussion on the matter, one of its most impor-
tant features fell to the ground, namely, the federa•ion prin-
ciple. They bad several motions before them objecting to
that principle, and a despatch from Earl Grey, in which he
said that the federative principle would be inoperative, and
that although at some future period it might be useful, yet
for the present it must be put oat of consideration. Did the
noble lord at the head of the government recollect when he
brought forward this bill that the measure which was intro-
duced for the management of waste leads in the eolony of
New South Wales would be rendered abortive, and he asked
him whether it was his intention that that measure was net to
come into operation ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that was not his intention.
Mr. E. DENISON said that be thought, from what been
stated by the noble earl (Grey) in his despatch, that such
must be the consequence. I; would be most foolish in him
to misquote the noble earl, and he wished to know what be
meant, when he said that this pert of the bill would be in-
operative, for it related to the management of waste
lands, which wee by the bill vested in the federa-
tive assembly. Therefore, the management of the wa,te
lands could not come into operation until the federative
a-sembly was formed. This information he had received
since they last considered the question. The hon. baronet
who had just addressed the house had called its attenti n to
I despatches from the colonic', but he could not have
seen one which had come that morning, and which had be. n
laid on the tab's of the house, and which was much more
favourable to his purposes than anything which he had
brought forward. Ile (Mr. E. Denison) would take the
Ebert y of supplying the deficiency which had occurred mei-
; dectelly In toe hon. b.ronet's speech. They had received,
not only a despatch from Sir H. Y.ang, but
'solutions which were passed in the legislative
council on Saturday, the 15th December, 1849. It seemed
that Earl Grey sent out a deep itch, calling Sir H. Young
to account for having published a propoeitien of the mem-
bers of the legislative council, and he directed him for the
future not to take that course, stating that it would be in his
opinion several months before the subject could he din-,
cussed, and that it was highly inconvenient that a proposal '
of that kind should be put before the country. But within I
the period of one month after the despatch had been pub- I
lished, on the 15th of D:cembir, the question had been con-
sidered, discussed, and passed, and a uespatch, containing the
resolutions of the legislative council, accomp oiled by the
opinion of the governor, sent to Earl Grey. The re-
solu.ions which had passed the council were to the
effect that the legislature should consist of a governor and
two chambers. They stated what the upper and lower
chambers should be composed of The lower chamber was
en consist of representatives freely chosen by the people, sod
the upper chamber was to consist of persons to be nominated
by ht r Majesty's government for life. (Hear, hear.) That
was the proposal of the council. The members of the legis.
halve council of South Australia said that there should be
two chambers—one to be elected by the people, and the
ether to be nominated by the crown for lite. They there-
liy acknowledged that they were not satisfied wiffi the
present system. The governor then in his despatch qttaiifici
ti-is; he said that he did not concur in the recommeniation
that the upper chamber should be nominated by the home I
government He agreed, however, with the council in
thinking that there should be two chambers. He now, '
therefore, roes to mike an appeal to the noble lord, and
to ask him whether, having all this information, he seriously
intended to go on with the bill, which in his (Mr. D,nison's)
opinion would be nothing more than wasting the time of the
house. He did himself intend to support the measure, but
having received this information he was compelled to
change his mind, and he could only say that it
there was only one member in that house to
join him, he would give every opposition to so
great an injustice being inflicted on the colonies. He could
not believe that after ad that had been talked about con-
sulting the feelings of the c denies, the house would be rolled'
upon further to consid-r the bill. The hon. member con-
cOtied by promising his strenuous opposition to the bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought that if his hon. friend
had attended to the circumstances to which he bad referred
with rather more care, he would hardly have made the
appeal which he had made to him. The hon. gentleman
hod made that appeal on the ground that the people of
Australia had come to the resolution that they should
have two chambers, and was, therefore, favourable
to the propoatioa of the hon. baronet the member
for Southwark. Now, he would tell the hon. g.ntlentan
that, with the exception of New South Wales, there was net
in these colonies any representative assembly whatever.
(Cheers.) The councils that now existed were legislative
councils formed by the 'averment. They were is the
phraseology of the hon. haronet the member for Southwark
the nominees of the Colonial-office; however improper that
phrase may be, they derived their authority from the to-
yer:tor, who was approved of by her Majesty, and from no
other some. It appeared that one of these councils had
come to certain resolutions, and these resolutions were to
the effect that the legislature elsould consist of •
governor and two chambers. That so far seemed
to ee the same as the proposal made by the honour-
able baronet the member for Southwark. But they
would find if they went en that the first chamber was to
consist of persons appointed by her Majesty fee life, and that
the second chamber was to be filled by representatives of
the people, with the exception of six persons who were to be
considered ez officio members, and to be appointed by the
government. These were the colonial secretary, the advo-
cate-general, the colonial treasurer, the collector of customs,
the surveyor general, and the commissioner of police. The
government, however, mowed that there should be but
one chamber, a part of which was to consist of mem-
bers nominated by the crown, and the rest to be
representatives of the people. But it may be said that
if it was the desire of the colonies that there should be two
chambers, it would not be proper for that house to entertain
a bill which contained a provision for a single chamb. r. It
was said that the colonies wished to have a constitution far
more aristocratic than he proposed; they wanted to have a
House of Lords ; but, though that was the opinion of the
legislative council, yet it was not the general opinion of the
people of South Australia. So far as they had been informed,
• large public meeting was held of the iehabitants, at which
the opinion of the legislative council was altogether
repudiated, and the opinion ;of the colony was
declared to be in favour of • legislative council.
The deepatch which the hon. member who had just sat down
quoted went so far as to show that the legislative council,
composed of members nominated by the crown, did not like
to give up their authority, and represented such to be the
wish of the people. That, so doubt, was a natural feeling
on the part of those in power: but it could not be inferred
on that aecoutd this the colonies were in favour of it. It
may with great propriety be argued in committee that if the
governor was in favour of two chamber", it would have ire
duo weight attached to it; but, too far as the wish of the
people of the colonies was concerned, there was nothing to
alter the opinion which he had stated on a former occasion.
Mr.A DDERLEY mild that the oble lord must all ,ve that
the real question before the house was whether it would be
of advantage to their colonies to have two chambers ,or one.
The noble lord was only dealing with the surface of the sub-
jec• , when he merely thought that it was • question as to the
differtnee between the wishes of the couacil and those of the
people. It was the opinion of gentlemen on both sides of the

hoses that there should be two chambers. It was thought
that In the eoloales there should be threes independent states
The noble lard seemed to be dealing with the details of the
meatier. It was impossible to get at what were the real
wishes at the gelellfiee; no matter by what means they tried
tetaseiti=erhatiser it was by their governors, or through
they wen not to be listened to. He should
' like to know who were to be listened to then ? The noble
lord said that • large meeting was bold In Australia, at
whisk the foaling of this colony was expressed. That
information was, however, withheld from them. He
then wished to ask the noble lord whether it was
free laienhation wbieh they had not received, or
ham talsrulatton whisk they had received. I. short,
whatever line they took, whatever argument they need,
they were met by some sayseerious °hawks, some new
' excuse ea the part of the government. Where were the
mailman which a proper judgment might be formed ?
It we urged by the government that if New South Wales
was indittreat, it would he hard to sacrifice the other
three Amerellast colonies for the peke of that oae. In that
he agreed, but all they knew on the subject was. that the
colony had been dreadfully alarmed by the sort of monstrous
caricature of the British constitution which had been sent to
them *Rev having been refused by New Zealand, and they
said, "Leave us our existing constitution for the present
until you have had time to reconsider, and when you do re-
consider, be so good as to consult us before you daide "
That was the whole information they rimmed as to the feelings
of the colonists with respect to their constitution. Besides the
proposal then thrown out by the Colonial-office was for a
tripartite constitution, and he could not find that the
population of New South Wales had so diminished since
that time, as to render such a constitution impossiVe. The
next information they received was, that New South Wales
baying heard of the constitution of last year, had expressed
the utmost gratitude for it. But he thought Sir W. Deal
son's conjecture on that subj ct was right, and that the
people alarmed at what had been previously offered, and
glad to get any sort of constitution instead, very naturally
expressed their gratitude that some deference to their wishes
bad been evinced in giving them any other kind of °rani
ration. The next piece of information they had to consider
was rather a strong ono. In the middle of the last debate
the government said that although; delay might be fatal to
the interests ache colony, still that, as the house was not lo
possession of sufficient information, they would make up
their minds to a considerable delay, in order to lay sufficient
information before the house. But when this fresh informa-
tion came, it was nothing but a collection of *old
despatches. eka yet no news had arrived from
New South Waite, but they had received some
from Van Diemen'. Land and 8 'lath Australia, and they
had folly borne out his expectations. (Hear, hear.) So that
it seemed that if any one wanted to know the feelings of
the colonies, they had better not refer to the office in Down-
ing street, but rather to Intik, like the whimsical writer
lately alluded to by the noble lord, for some new Downing-
street, filled with sa,n better acquainted with the subject.
But let them put out of sight the opinion of the governor,
although he felt convinced that Sir W. Denison would de-
cline to carry out the government constitution. Arid it
would not be the first time that government had had a con.
situtioa returned to them from a colony. This was, in fact,
only the last of a long catalogue of failures, and seemed as
it Lord Grey, having failed in every previous plan, el...er-
mined to prepare a sort of omnibus constitution, combining
all previous faults, and intended to break down all the
colonies at once. (Cheers.) But let them put all those
matters aside, and consider that there were two rival propo-
sitions before he house, namely, one fora chamber with one-
third nominated members, and the other two for chambers
apiroximating as nearly as possible to the pen.
ciples of the British constitution. He trusted that
both propositions would be considered fairly on Veit.
merits. It had been urged that the convict system
had utterly incapacitated Van Diemen's Land from
receiving free institution.. He trusted that so ungen
an argument would not weigh with the house in co. sidering
the emotion The whole question was between a tingle and
double chamber. Some gentlemen might think that a mere
secondary question, but they were greatly mistaken—
although even the noble lord at the head of the government
seemed to fall into that error. It seemed to him (Mr Ad-
derley ) that that point involved the whole question betwe. n
the central and municip•l. principles in colonial government.
The central system was that in which the mother country
retained in its own hands the power of dealing with local,
requirements, imitating, in fact, the centralisation or
France; the municipal was that in which the colonists were
allowed to manage all their local ethers. The main centre
of one was the Colonial-office, with its patronage, its bribes,
and its veto, with all its no ow of useless despatch..., nine
tenths of which were only waste paper, and all its preference
of a sort of deettante leghlation. The main point of the
other was local colonial government, without any control or
interference from the office in Downing-street. The slob
boleth between the two was neither more nor less than this
questi in of a single or double chamber. . He must
say he felt surprised that the government which twenty
years ago had convulsed the country rather than let
the nominee of a single peer act in the House of
Commons, should now preps° a legislative assembly
in which 33 per cent. of the members should be nomi-
nees of the crown. (Hear, hear.) On the other hand,
the hon. baronet the member for Southwark proposed a
constitution, assimilating as nearly as pos•ible to that en-
joyed by England, complete in all its parte, fit for immediate
use, or if requiring alteration its any part containing within
itself ample powers for such purpose. He (Mr. Adderley)
Impel and trusted that constitu.ion would receive the sane
tion of the house, as he feared that the adoption of the
government plan would lead to the worst possible re•
salts (Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL— I shoulel not have risen to address
the house at this time, if it were not, that the gentleman
who has just spoken questioned the information furnished by
government, and termed it cep -cryphal, exulting at the same
time very much in the favouring breezes that had wafted over
opinions corti•matory of his opposition to the clause b fore
the house. Why the hon. member has had no favourable 1;
breezes in favour of his opinions, but there have b.cn favour-
iog breez s which have brought another description of intelli•
Renee. I must add, that it has not come through the
Colonial office, that c intaminated and suspicions source, but
from a quarter beyoni suepici en—l mean the Jerusalem
Coffee-house. (Laughter.) I trust that intimation wed
convince the hon. member and the house, that governme, t
his had nothing to de wilt its pr. paratlon. (Hear, hear.)
Those hon. members wbo had read Sir H. Young's dis-
patches will remember that he stated thin was to be a public
meeting at Adelaide on the following Friday, of widst
he would furnish an account in a subsequent despatch. That
despatch his not arrived, but the newspapers have ; and
here is one which states that a meeting was held at Adelaide
to consider the new constitution, which was esteemed so
important that all the shops were shut and business was
wholly suspended. (The noble lord proceeded to read an
account of the meeting from an Adelaide newspaper, of
which the following is the substance. A Mr. Fisher moved
the first resolution, prefacing it by a speech in which he
said that one chamber was quite sufficient for that colony at
present, and they wanted no chamber composed of nominees
fur life. He thought it not possible that her Majesty would
sanction any proposition of such a nature, even if her miais•
ten should think a second chamber necessary.) The noble
lord proceeded. I will now read the resolution proposed by
Mr. Fisher, and which certainly forms rather a strong
contrutto the violent invective in which he has indulged.
It certainly does some violence to my modesty to read it—(a
laugh)—but I must, to convince the house of the
opinion of the colony. (The noble lord read the
resolution which stated that the government bill was adapted
to the wants of South Australia in most of its essential pruvi-
' signs which gave them representative government with such
extensive powers) (Hear, hear.) la conclusion it thanked
Lord Grey, Mr. Hawes, Lord Jelin Russell, and Mr. Labou
there, and all members of the House of Commons who had
satiated ie. preparing the bill. (The r. ding of this resolution
was received with much cheering and laughter by the house.)
Now that resolution was carried at a great public meeting.
With regard to a s.coed chamber, appointed by the
governor of the colony, as nominees of the government,
whether for a period of years or for life, though that "night
be the only result to which the house could come were the
principle of a second chamber affirmed, that is not the
proposition of the hon. baronet, and if carried into effect it
would not give satisfaction to the colonists. I think if, instead
of having a second chamber, composed in part of nominees of
the Crown, in the proportion of one-third of the
whole body, where the opinions of the representatives might
be freely adduced, and enabled completely to overwhelm the
opinions of the nominees of the crown—if, instead of that
eight or nine persons ehould sit in a separate chamber,
having power to control altogether and put an absolute veto
on all the legislative measures of the representative assem-
bly—l believe the introduction of such a measure would
cause great dissatisfaction in the colony. (Hear, hear.)
That is, therefore, a proposition which I am not able to en-
tertain. (Cheers.) Then we have the proposition of the
hon. baronet the member for Southwark, and my objection
to that is of a different nature. My objections are that wear*
not now in a position to came to any perfect or satisfactory
solution of the question—we have not, as I think, received
from New South Wales, South Australia, or Van Diemen's
Laud, or any of them colonies, that information which is
necessary to enable us to come to such a solution of
that question. (Hear, hear.) It may be that then.
would be no difficulty in finding amongst those'
persons who are qualified for the duty, sad who
are willing hi devote their time to the business of
legislation, a sufficient number to form two chambers—or it
mayfur
t hb,sei thatn t
purpose—but
et hawe r e we
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aoonwillcientt hI am
tna,otutomprbie risk
r
be composed and what shall be the qualification ?—whether
saaSsaidpoti vepehuadlinsecrbeil chamber,ridecision.
ilcahtthheihqalnueleasttaipcotlnactaseheinsof we
eisee hchsa,veche okanw elsnl ec
ittth,tod°
it is to be fleeted by the some electors as elect the
lower chamber or by a different constituency ? (Hear, hear.)
The honourable gentleman who last spoke told us
that he proposed a constitution for these colonies modelled
on the British constitution ,• but one of the provisions of the
constitution proposal by the host. biretta (Sir W. Moles-
worth) was that if two•thirds of the two chambers sl.ould
agree in requiring the removal of the governor, that then
he should be removed. This was said to be a part of the
constitution of Rolland, but I confess I do not know any-
thing analogous to it in the British constitution, nor
think any one ever heard that it was a principle of that con-
stitution that the sovereign could be removed by such a vote
of the two Houses of Lords and Commons. ("
hear," and a laugh.) On looking at the whole of the mat-
ter, I think that with regard to the nominee chamber it
would be utterly inapplicable to the colonies, and, if we
were to make that alteration in the bill it would be received
with surprise by the colonists, and I am persuaded they
would speedily ask for ice repeal, therefore, as it appear, to
me, we had hatter nut adopt it. (Hear, bear.) Auil,
again, with regard to the second proposition, and which I
alms, taken in the abstract, is the beet--that of the boo.
member for Southwark—l do not think we are iu the N.

session of the information necomary to enable us to cu,
upon the details of such a aseasurs. I ask the enraccoltss
not to be led away by the boo. gentleman who spoke Isst sadthuppcse that we are &sieges opt rosin act to the colon'ists';
on the contrary, this measure is the introduction, for th;
first time, to those colonise of the representative element,
We are giving them a power to legislate for theresetese
which they never had bean, end which acts of what:iv--
have prevented their having, and in introducing that
went we ere laying the foundation of a free comity
under which I hope they may long flourish. (Hear
Mr. ANSTEY denounced the amendment as impracile,
hie, inasmuch as there were no elements in the colony fro,
which to construct an upper house analogous to our 'sinus
Lords, and contended that, as far as we had any knor
of the feeling of the colonists on the suhji
was adverse to such a proposition. He contended
the course hitherto taken had 'seen unfair, and that
feet was to mislead the committee, because several obje
bad been raised which did not apply to the bill, and the
question which ought now to form the subject-matter c
mission had been altegether kept (mot signt. (Hear.,
Mr. AGLIONBY said, that if there were any agent
the colony in the house he should be delighted to re,
instruction frets them on this most important subject.
complaint was, that hon. members were almost cal
misinformed upon it, and that it was most difficult tt
derstand certain portions of the applicability of the was
He had paid great attention to the debates, in crder
what appears(' to be most consonant to the feelings o
colony, but he confessed that he still felt himself very I
in the dark. He believed that no one, except those
could fish in the waters of Downing. P ,re le
Jerusalem Coffee-house, could understand it. Ile
hesitation, however, instating his belief that a secant
bee was desirable for the constitution of the colony;
would leave it to the colonists to give effect to that
propositions in such a time and in ouch a manner
might think most fitting. (Hear.) In the course of
debate it was proposed that the second chamber
consist of the nominees of the crown, to be apt
during pleasure. To that he objected. He believe
five different modes of composing the second chew!
been proposed. Nominees for life was one of
modes. Another plan was, that they should be hereto
another, that they should be elected ; and another
the qualification should be a property one, enabling a
to have tpao fade a seat in the upper house, and to In
seat whenever he ceased to hold the property. Hi
opiaion in favour of the double chamoer had bLel
much confirmed by an able pamphlet, written by a
man of the her, which had lately :issued from the.
The hon. member concluded by recommending i.
.tr-sagest possible way an upper chamber to Australia,
the extension of some representative government '
Z eland, (Haar )
Mr.t tn Gull! b
speechl:
otfh
tohueg hntobtlhee rlsorwd u(
jwe rRv littleuesel
l;lie
motion of the hon, baronet the inembe r for S.ue
What had the noble lord consented to 1 lie had es
to state his opinion that two chambers were better the
and that an elective upper chamber was bitter than
nee one. It was agreed, then, that two else ive cl
were the best; and the question was, should two
chambers be allowed the colonists of isustralia
bear.) The noble earl at the head cf the
had admitted that he did not know mot
the people of Australia to say tow be
form the second chamber. It was acknowledge
• nominee upper chamber was an exceed:• 1.
chieimus thing, and there was no doubt that ci
chamber, nominated by the crown, was the nu
chievous thing that could possibly be. If the cold,
the head of the colonies was ignorant of the scat
people of Australia, what was the duty of the house
a case? ReccAleet At.stralia was a large area. TI
shoot to be, its all human pre bability, large, LUI
great communities in that part of the world. It e
for the few colonists who were there
decide neon what 1 Upon the future
of what he would call the imperial cold
Great Britain. (Hear, hear.) Were we to give'
easiest of a great question, an imperial question, te
thousand colonists ? (Hoar, hear.) Why, if ever tit
an imperial question, it was that et ourgreatcolosiel
(Cheers.) What, then, was toe bee: rule to adopt
large colonial empire about to tin in Aimee:is ? We
mother country, sent out portions of our people, sell s,
the flag. power, pad protection of England. Oulu(
selves in those distant pars of the world. What he
was to unite them to us in the relation of afl.e
colonists. (Hear, hear ) He did not want to s
them. (Hear, hear.) He acknowledged that at ooi
wanted to have England stretching out her arms are,
portions of the globe, and he wanted that every p
empire so stretching out should be prnserncd by tt
principles which distinguished her et home. (Cale,
do this, we must make them part Cl our empire. 4C
were •e to make them part of our empire? Not by
them slave subjects, but by making them freemen si
united to us ia affection, and governing their awe
cerr.s by their own local laws. (Hear, hen.
liev.d the noble lord was desirous of e.s
out that rule and establishing that principle.
he (Mr. Roebuck) thought +he noble lord
made a great mistake, and that his mistake bad b
eve ryone f his proceedings with reference to
colonies. He would ask the noble lord, in the most I)
converse, to deal with this subject as he (Mr. lisehucl
wished to deal with it. Now, whit did he want to di
wanted to unite distant colonies to this empire. Hs
members not experience of the beat means of so dolt
ehouldi they be cramped and confined by asking w
favourable opinions had appeared in unstamped newt
at the Jerusalem C. tfee•house, or ia authorised des;
at Downing street Was not this a pitiful v
dealing with tee subject? (lieu, hear.l t, )1111 EC
get the large experience of age* past—the experienc
tram our own extensive empire ? Should they now
direful series of events which must eventually cad
ration ? They had done ea hitherto, with regard
Ameriets colonies ; and, therefore, he joked the
if we had not such experience as should gull, :is
matter f—so that we need rot apply to a few c
tither in Can Diemen's Land or Sou:h A.
to assist us in dealing with our great
empire as it should be dealt with. (Hear,
Hs was not going to sacrifice those colonies 'eau
contained only a few thousand colonists, because.
number increased, so would their influence, sac:
would be able in all cases to regulate their a
concerns. Having ieviewsd the several jeovos
had beta placed before the house, the first btu
chamber, and the second and third for
bees, and called attention to the lever;
"The Federalist," which he deseribsd
remarkable series of state papers on record, the h so. :it:
said he did Rot complain of the noble lord at the .;,,
al
did not know how to direct the fortunes of a g.e
ghoavderanuminiidente;
abagtulle: sot
Call) formeriiai.° fsgCoevoerEnolElftehnet s
empire. The government of England bat csscr
colony—it was the people. They it wu—ro: witz
port, but in spite of the government and Dose:re
who had made our colonies; let us not, the rec. re. b
government, and then leave them to prove they ir
blood with ourselves.
power of Englishmen to g ',eta t,
ifegt aubs‘)luaty the
ewn for their guidance the (rest Pr.•

Mr. lI•CULLAGH Tasted how the glorious •..>
of this country had grown no by slow degute,t.....r.
selves to the recessives of the times, and tha5a.,,,•..,
deur and stability. He desired to see a Ilk? pr , 1.•
on in the cAonies, whose liberty would he
by the development then the arbitrary enact/Lc:
representative system. It was natural and rva-en.
great institutions such as those contemplate: e: •.
demo a course of probation. To be persamat tb y
be gradually developed snd thoroughly itcdtrsto...t
community amongst whom tht y wen, est iblao.cd.
liamcnt dictated to colonists upon what w.re
be their wants, is all probability they is)sa ran
advice come back upon them. and dad : :WO
listed and discomfited. The hon. anal lit put
concluded by expressing his approval of :bv '
After a few words from Mr. Hoist cti.
Lira J. MANN ii.RS approved of the str,n.l eh ‘315,
possible atm to an hereditary asrenal•ly. th0.,...1:
filing to offer to the emigrants who I,:t it
the prospect of enjoying not only the p
but the refinements, the courtraie., and t'e 1'
they saw at home. An infusion of the arifoitatic
was murk to be desired in the colJulet

hle. KEOOII founded upon the principle; of
constitution the argument that it wee mire ii)
with the inherent rights of the Bri:ish sudj.ct t •
the colonists a legislative system which erey a..•.,
at their own pleasure, than to trans.fit theist a c
more liberal in appearance but more grid and une.
In practise. lie, therefore, preferred th.• measure
mimetic to the amendment of Sr W. M te•wort,f.
Mr. DISRAELI said he understood tit-, h lii•C
committee on the dth clause of the bill, and eppre
that the whole question to be decided wee wheal,
should be one or two chambers. Supposing the
to decide in favour of having a second ehauCoer, the- elf
whether thee chamber should be nomt.•ative, heredtt
elective was distinct from that betere the how.
quite right that the question should be divested of ;hi
siderationt, fur it was in itself sufficiently grave.
hear.) lie hardly knew one more difficult to de,
with respect to which the respousibiltty of a vote .h,
more sensibly felt. The question wee, however, not
the house. It was not (our years SRO since ttet
change of government, one of the principles on ).!
government which then acceded to ether ass toutulc
that of colonial reform. Ou a question so t attest
in the solution as that cf pramline politieal ins.v.uti
distant colonies, they naturally looked to the eaistine
mint to be their guides, philosopLen, acul
(Laughter.) The government had not beak lone ii
be(ose it favoured the house with au tuttatatt.•a
policy with respect to the guts:ion uu.ler cuts..)'
A emstdution for a distant colony cubliguous t•
whom late wee under discussion tiled, earthiest. Ina pr
to the house, and from this great project •tt a Bolo: f
intim it appeared that three) can add a 1..11 age• •:•c
Mist thought there should be two chambee.,
Some time after the government, havis.g
an impertinent, produced a cm:WWl:ton ter ono
tits under consideration, which also ieolu.l. '
(Rear, hear.) So far the governincut. ••••
what brief , mem, declared their spin. tut . n ot
of the double chamber. But 11 great eh..u[•
The two projects of the government wet.• oat ••
both were rejected by those (or whom ti,. y • •
and the government then adopted grunt., 15 • ••
limed, almost unprecedented iu rereatt 1,111,1 out n
Suddenly there was a delegation of the dun • •
tart' of State for the Colonial to a contini.tc, wi
council. Considering the great abidti • .•t
the government, and the reputation , ; t:,•
vended over the coloniee, isms hotel It.'

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