The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-16 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 16, 1850.

PUBLIC SALARIES.

Ms. P. WOOD,sitit7;;;;; of tie—g;lect Committee on
Pees in Courts of Law, liked the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, in the absence of the noble lord at the head of the
government, whether, as the Lord Chancellor had been
appointed, and the committee in 1848 had recommended
that all °Sas of the Court of Chancery should in future be
paid by salaries, that reeomesendation bad yet, in any
legialative issasser, been acted spot ? The late Lord
Chancellor had, before the report, recognised the
principles of justice by a private arrangement be-
tween himself sad several of his officers who had received
such upstate. Re directed that his private secretary
whose income was 1,2004, should receive cal; 3001. He
directed the Secretary of Baokrupte whose income was
1,8001, should receive only 1,2001, ind that 6001. should
abide the Chancellor's order, and he directed that two gen-
tlemen of the bedchamber, who would have received 1,2001.,
should receive 7001, should pay 2001, and account for the
eurples out of the fee fund. AU these were mere private
smarmiest. which were determined by the cessation of the
Mace of Lord Chancellor, and it was important
u to this eiretunstance, and there being six secre-
taries to the Lord Chancellor, that be should
mak this question, which he now put, admitting
the inclination of the government to effect useful reforms,
whether Reverential could mare the house that every art-
pWatment to be made by the Lord Chancellor would be sub.
jest to revision, with reference to the oontiaaanoe of the
ofike and Ito smolemests? and whether government in-
tended to introduce a bill daring the Mont session of low-
limiest for the abolition of useless aim in Chancery and
the paym rat of Melees salaries ad tees
Lord J. RUSSELL said that any appointment made by
the present Lord Chancellor would be subject to
any abolition of aloe which parliament might de-
sire. As to the fleeced questioa, something had passed
between Lord Cottuthus and the present Lord Chancellor,
sad be was not are what was the ultimate effect of this

wastaisaiestioa, sad therefor* it was aot is his power to
Ova iolormatioa aa to tlutobtict.
SUPPLY OF WATER TO THE METROPOLIS.
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Sir D. L. EVANS asked the noble lorJ, the member for
Bath, when the appendix to the report on the supply of
water to the metropolis was to be laid before the hone*, and
when the evidenee would be available ?

Lord ASHLEY said that a amaiderable part would be
ready for presentation is tea days.
THE LORD CHANCELLOR'S PENSION.
Mr. HUME observed that six weeks ago be bad pat a
qualm to the noble lord respecting the pension of the L trd
Chancellor. He wished now to ask, was the Lord Chan•
eellor an hie retirement to racily. she same rate of pension
of 6,0001. a year am the other three were now receiving, or
w►ether any other arrangement had been made ae to the
present Chancellor.
Lord J. RUSSELL--He has taken the dace subject to
any alterations that may be made by parliament. He did not
my that be wee prepared to recommend to parliament any
alteatlon of do pension.
ATTORNEY'S CERTIFICATE BILL.

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Lord M. GROSVENOR moved the wooed reading of this
►ilL

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in moving
the rejection of the bill, adverted to the canvassing which
had taken place cut of doors, and observed that if the house
was prepared to repeal taxation to the amount of 100,0001.,
there were many other taxes which had a preferable title to
remission. These licenses were not more objectionable than
others, and if this duty were repealed because it affected an
influential body, it would be impossible to retain other simi-
lar duties merely because t►e parties paying them were
weak. The general charges of the profession would not be
reduced by the repeal of this duty, so that the public would
not receive the slightest benefit.
Mr. Mullins and Mr. Monts spoke in favour of the bill,
and Mr. Bus against it.

Mr. GOULBURN remarked that there was nothing mom
fatal to the revenue than for individual members to propose
the repeal of a tax which, though small in amount, in-
volved a principle applicable to other taxes. He opposed
the bill.

Mr. BRIGHT said that although on a former occasion
he had voted in favour of the bill, he h►d lace considered
that a revision of taxation Rust take place next session,
which would be the fi.test time to take all taxes of this chi-
radar into consideration, and upon this hypothesis he should
vote with the government. _ .

Cal. BIBTHORP (with great solemnite)—The minis-
terial fit bon the hon. member. He is looking fora place.
(Cheat laughter )
Lord R GROSVENOR said a few words in reply, which
were rendered inaudible by the impatieave of the holm.
The house divided—
For the second reading
'Against it ln —l7
ECCLESIASTICAL COMILISSION BILL.
The house went iota committee on this bill.

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Oa clause 15,
Sit B. HALL (who was indistinctly heard in consequence
of the number of ambers leaving the house after the divi-
don on the Attorneys Certificate Bill) was understool to
sapthat be wished to have some information as to the
mode is which the amount of archbishops' and bishops' in-
comes was ascertained, bemuse he feared that the returns
were calculated to lead to very false interences on the sub-
, jest. The secretary to the commission had admitted, in his
evidence, that the returns made b 7 the bishops of their
were fallacious. He perestred that they drew a
dW,,entie between net and gross Income, and he wished to
know In what the dilennee consisted /

Lord J. RUSSRLL replied that the oomniieslotien had
bits:red inquiries upon She subject, and their returns were
upon the inforwiatlon aS obtained. It was upon
those returns of the average value of the property in each
ease that the cowippuloonrs had fined the amount of in-

B. HALL wished to know why, in the ease of the
Bishop of Oxford, 8741. had been in addition to the 5,0001.
flied by oiler of the conualialoners
Lard J RUSSELL—The principle on which the Eccle-
siastical Comraiseion fixed the sum to be paid to each bishop
was according to the average income of the me for a certain
namber of years previous. In the ease of the Bishop of
Oxford it wee found that the avenge exoseded the 6,0001.
by the amount stated, the melts of the year subsequent to
the order is council hula; been greater than those of the
previous years. Tho object of the present clause was to
make a new arrangement for the Adam, by which the sew
paid would cadet no eireuntstawne be wee or lees than the
amount flied.

Sir J. lallAY, referring le a statantrat made on a pre-
vious evening by the hots. member fur liarylebone, desired.
oa the part of the Bishop of Oaford, to offer some explanation.
That right rev. prelate stated that after he had been pre-
sented to the see of Oxford. he was informed that, by a new
arrangement made by the Bonlesiutleal Commission, that he
would not be allowed to hold any other church preferment,
and that he would be expected to reside in his diocese. The
five previous bishops had all held extensive church prefer-
meat its commends as, and so holding it, had very rarely re-
sided In the diocese. The present bishop, oa succeeding to
the biabliprio, found the episcopal residence destroyed, and
the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, by an arrangement at once
economical and just, awarded to the bishop 3,6001. to render
the eplsoopal residence habitable, and afterwards 1,3001. was
granted in addition tentative apablie-house which overlooked
the house end grounds, making 4,6001. slither. The bishop
baring received this sum, laid out 1,1, more In the
building, and be applied to the commies nen to make •
further advance, but they refusal, advislog him to borrow
the money on the mouthy of the revenues of the see. All
who were acquainted with the rubject would bear witness to
the exemplary conduit of the bishop, kb tilloiont perform-

sate of Ibm dodo of hie Odds, nod hie ready sooneibility
to hie derv. (Load edam) With regard to the giddies
beer. the home he wee deeded], is favour of the Whop's
receiving/ e axed WWI of a varying Isom', sad therefore
be eorilially_agreal is the datumMr. Mr. GOVILBUBM bed reeeired • letter hem the Bishop
of Loads, la Mamas to a statetuoat roads by the Ma.
ow giber at Msfyleboao. &pities the sentredy of the re-
turns of the loomoo of kto ete ma* to the eosailedoseve by
dud rfslit roc IMOD. Ili*, with the pedaled.* Of the
bows, be woolisood:
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(Cheese.) Of mares me me would it a mement believe;
that the right rev. prelate hod wilfully made ea inearreet
titers ; hat he had thought is right to read this Letter, in
order that if than should ha any misanderweedlag arising
out of the hos. harmer:l statesman the house should be pat
le possession of the facts. (Hear, hear.)
Mr B. HALL explained that the Bishop of Loadon had
Maned his Mom la the year 1837 at 14,6101.. bat is 1843
he had Maned It at only 12,4811., invite a elimination of
2,02 W , while at the same time the smessmeat of the parish
of Peddiagtea, the pester prinked whisk was the pronort7
of the see of Leaden, had TIM from 112,8681. in 1837, to
191.164 le 1868, Wag ea hareem of 78,4881., and the
present asemement he bud was mime thea 343,0661., slaw.
lag ea tenons wee rated 1837 of 230,1981. Suet was the
dames Mike be bed node hie wilaemat, and ha nest my
that it aprorzliedellen utraordleary that the bishop should
return a Memo while all that met the eye would
lead to the that it had considerably increased.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GOULBURN observed that as the hon. baronet had
now mated the emends as which he had made the charge, it
um ease to explain how he had fallen into the error. It
was cults tree that a portion of the improved ruatal of the
Padden/toe estate want to the Bishop of London, but oily
to the extent of ese-third, the remaining two-thirds going
to the repeasentativse a(, the origiaal 'embolden under the
terms of the est of paslimmat. The hoe. baronet seemed,
however, to suppose that the whole of the bishop'. Mouse I
was &aired from this estate, but that wee not the fact. It
arose partly from the rental of that sedate and pertly from
flees and heat m Ban y aecideat the fia fall off (and the hoe.
baronet
et met be aware that there was nothing more Sec-
tasting than the reeeipts from those Wm). the angmantatne
of one-third is the ground rents of the Peddiogtee estates
might be wholly inadequete to cover the deficiency arising
from that caw. The hon. gentian* was not justified,'
therefore, na such premiers, to impugn the character of the
bishop. (Hear' hem.)
Bit B. HALE. wilted to know exactly the items which I
constituted the diatoms between the gross and the net in-
come.

Mr. HUME enfiladed the noble lord that in 1837 the
house passed a resolution to the effect that the bishops should
receive a Axed inesome, and it was determined, at the same
time, that the surplus should be paid over to the general
fund; hut this had not been done. Now he would suggest I
that la any new arrangement this should be made impels- I
tile. lie also wished to know what limit there wee to he to
tha money laid out in enlarging and improving the episcopal
palurs
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the hon. gentleman was
mistaken is saying that such an arrangement had been come
to by the house, or that that wee the understanding of the
act of parliament.
Mr. Il(JME—There is a resolution to that effect on the
journals. Meer, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—Did not deny that ; but the act of
parliament said nothing of the kind, and the ecclesiastical
commis.ion having great objections to fixing the incomes at
one navaryieg standard, agreed that there should be a cm,
Lain supposed income taken (or the future, end if the
receipts exceeded that the bishop should have the benefit of
it, and if it fell short he should suffer the variation. He
(Lord J. Russell) now proposed to alter that arrangement,
and that (or the future the income should be fixed and
neither increased or diminished whatever might be the
receipts fmni:the property of the see.
Mr. HUME would suggest that a clause be inserted in
the bill, providing that whatever might be the decision of
the commissioners, it should be always subject to the revision
of the Treasury.
After a brief discussion on a verbal amendment proposed
by Mr. Got:mingle, which wu withdrawn, the clause was
agreed to.
On elute 16, providing for the endowment of the Deans
of York, Chichester, Exeter, Hereford, Lichfield, Salisbury,
and Welly,
Sir 0 GREY proposed an amendment, no tking the maxi-
mum income of the deans 1,0001. instead of 1,3001., as tired
by the Lords.
Sir B. HALL wished to cell attention to a communication
he had received from Hereford relative to the livings held by
the dean of that cathedral. It had been recently stated that
the recently eppointed deans had given up all the livings
they held. Now he was informed in the communication
to which he alluded that the Dun of Hereford had not
resigned his living of Kings Sonabourne, and that he had
recently presented himself. with the concurrence of the
chapter, to the living of Medley. The value of these two
livings was 6081, besides the income of the deanery. In
the can of Brutal, also, the dean tas he was informed by
a clergyman who had written to him from that place) had
presented himself to the living of Alvaston by consent of
the chapter, and the rumour was that he had taken this
living with the view of e :changing it for another. The
value of this living was stated to be 7911. a year with a
house within ten miles of Bristol. lie contended that
deans and eenons were useless officers, and that unless some
scheme could be devised for rendering them somewhat ref-
viceable to the church, the money was literally wasted when
they wen given rich appointments and large incomes.
Lord J. RUSSELL said thy hon. baronet 'seined to have
misunderstood the object of the clause, inasmuch as it did
not propose to give the deans any more money than they
already possessed. It was colts another matter whether
the house should or should not alter their incomes. The
question whether or not deans were of any use in the church
was a very large one. They certainly were part of the
regular order of the church. They were head of the
chapter, and he thought they were of great use in a cathe-
dral town, for the general pupa" of carr•yingon the business
of the cathedral, and assisting in the spiritual business of
the diocese. He intended to propose a clause, by which
deans to be hereafter appointed would be prevented from
holding any benefice or cure of souls which was situated
further than three miles from their cathedral town.
He had made inquiry as to what the Dean of Hereford was
likely to receive from his former living, and he found that
he would not receive anything until October, and that in
the meantime he would be subject to considerable expense in
preparing the deanery house. It, (Lord J. Russell) had,
therefore, thought it wrong at once to deprive the Dean of
Hereford of his former living, but he had atipala'ed with
him, and a clause to that effect would be inserted in the
bill, that six months after he had accepted the deanery he
should give up the living. With respect to the Dean of
Bristol he had received no information whatever, but if this
clause passed he would be unable to hold any living which
was situated at • greater distance than three miles from his
cathedral.

Mr. S. HERBERT concurred in the propriety of restrict-
ing deans from holding livings further off than three miles
from their cathedrals.

Sir B. HALL sous called the at•ention of the noble lord
(J. Russell) to the uses of the deans of Bristol and Here-
tad and expressed a hope that something would be done to
prevent them from holding other livings.
Lord J. RUSSELL repeated that with respect to the
Dun of Hereford, the benefice he held would become void
in six months from the time he had been appointed dean.
He knew nothing of the circumstances connected with the
Dean of Bristol, and therefore he could not say what should
be done in that caw If, however, the clause passed, it
would be impossible for him to hold a living situated beyond
the radius of three miles.

After some further conversation,
Mr. WILLIAMS said, it was not his intension to have
taken any part in the debate now before the committee had it
not been for the allusion made to him by the hon. baronet
the member for Mary!shone, in reference to his knowledge
of the Welsh language, and the way in which some of the
English clergy appointed to high ecclesiastical offices in
Wales pronounced the Welsh language, and the great
blunders they sometimes committed it had been rumoured
that a kilned English dean now is Wales, and who had
learnt how to read Welsh, had at one period, In reading
(parrot-like) our language said, when he ought to have
pronounced the following passage of scripture, " ?di gaff y
Thal Cyflawn b eyd tragwydde," " The righteous shall in-
herit eternal life," instead of which he is reported to have
said, " Mi gaff y Cywion bwyd y gwydde," which means
" The goslings shall devour the food of the geese." In fact,
the church in Wales abounds in anomalies and abuses to
monstrous that common sense must be shocked at the idea
of contemplating them. We find In connexion with that
church Englishmen, deans and bishop', grasping the
most munificent incomes, as our religiose guides, and
teacher, who are utterly unable to give religiose c 'amends
and promises in the language which the people understand.
Now, sir, fancy • Welshman from Bala—he said Bala, be-
cause the chairman knew something of that district, and un-
able to speak one word of English—tancy that man appointed
rector of Marylebone, or, if you like, Bishop of London, and
you will see in its true light the glaring abuse which defame
the church in our country, involving the interest of the
moral, social, and spiritual condition of the people on the
altar of the selfish ambition of English statesmen and poli-
tical cliques. The hon. member begged to call the attention
of the committee to this fact, that we have in Wales at
this moment two brothers, sons of a late English bishop,
who had the good fortune to be appointed to one of the
Welsh sees, whose imams) from the church (and neither of
themunderstand one word of the Welsh language) is more
than the income of 87 curates, who are doing duty from one
end of the year to another. What was this but the crea-
tion of sinecures, absorbing the pay whilst incompetent for
the work—pocketing the money of the people, as the law
directs, but whom souls they fail to inspire with the feith
sad hopes of the gospel ? There are now doing duty daily at
St. Asaph, two gentlemen of superior attainments, whom
income for that doily duty at the cathedral is thirty pounds
per annum. He begged to tell the noble lord that there were
also at St. Aleph and at Bangor, he meant in the diocese,
clergymen, Welshmen by birth and in feeling, who would do
eredit to the bench of bishop, whenever they had the good
fortune to gain that high position.
After • few words from Mr. C
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perform in making church appointments. now, for In
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Mr. E then rose to brinL,g:rucantio.bithi
lotion of which he had given notice, and A roan by observing that complaints had beg. ,4-,•"*.
bishops becoming too aristocratic, beoeu,e-o;17 *e
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harnessed they remained the seen
then beams more powerful and arbor.," .'"`"T",..r.
were they to remedy the evil? There ; • tort,-e°
Ono was to have suffragan bishops. Thy
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bishop was incapable from age, but hi. would M an i
'ening office between the bishop sad the elm,
only increase the evil. Then, if they speo.:, --
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bishop!, there were but two methods. Oat ca,,
was pursued in the cam of the disarm of Mend:
thought it would be useless to go into that ,theta. tu.'
it appeared to him that, rightly or wrongly, partiame.ebe.
net give Its swat to any more acts for the
bishopric on the same footing as that of *melon...ow
liassent would not pars any more acts for eed isvne tan!
with 4,0)01. or 5,0001. a year. Assuming then that the
the question really came to this, wool t they be
new bishoprics at all, or would they have new bebop,:
humbler basis, setting aside all idea of the ate t
being peers of parliament, and of their having Ors
comes; and contemplating, if possible, their he'
toe hi
of dioceses of a more manageable scoe a. to %ie., an
more limited scale as to income. The main ,uteri;
was, would they open the door to the formation of a,
bishoprics at all, or would they cOoe the do a t.
motion of any new bishoprics, under sty trona.,
He did not thick there was any darger in having
without a sect in the House of Lads. If there wi
such danger, that danger was incurred insernuce as he
already one bishop without a seat in e Moose of
It could not be denied that the work of the courh w
done In large tdwos ; it was done to a great tE'n:
country, but cot in towns. He thought the
accomplishing the work of the church was by Lace
bishepe. The reason why there was • prejudice in 'h
against the creation of more b shops was, that
supposed that by cresting bishops they frittered a•
resource, of the church, end that it was much twat r
smaller incomes to the workingclergy. That might to.
certain circumstances, but it would not be to if bisr
appointed under the circumstances he propped. W
they done in the colonies ? They appointed bislo
before there was any considerable number co
hag clergy, end the consequence WAS that tea
ing clergy had doubled and treble 1. In tt
pulous districts of E•orland there was no dco'
the church of England was a missionary church.
the bishops of the order he proposed could be 'predate!
must be a desire on the part of the inhabitants
by a large rubecription; there mast be the COO'rf.t
bishop of the diocese, and the archbishop of the pro
there must also be the consent of the eccleeiaetke. Lotto
lion, and of the !administration of the day. He commecOel
this matter to the consideration of the house and of the noels
lord at the head of her Majesty's government.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he wished rather toots:. the doubts
he had of the adoption of any such clause as tt,s, rather than
to argue that it would be well to give up a.. pooped of
creating such b:shoprics as the bishoprics of Ripoo or.at Moe-
cheater. It appeared to him that that was the p.ar.
was in harmony with the constitution of this counter .
that, where there w. re very large dioceses which h.. -
creased in population, that was the course to puma
that great advantages had arisen from the creation cat •
dioceses. The bishopric of Manchester was of later o -
but the bishopric of Ripon had existed fora greater cum -
of years, and he believed that a division o' the dixe.
York had acted well. But then these bishops were ere • .
is perfect conformity with the present law. Who
right hon. gentleman proposed was to have a t3tal:s
rate order of bishops. Now he quite admitted that wh,
read the clause at first he mistook the meaning of it, arc: he
thought that the election of bisbeps was to he conduce I
different manner from that which now obtained. B.: te
still retained the objection, and that strongly, to :to
constitution of a new kicd of bishoprics not toe eo
a seat in parliament, and existing totally indepolloo
of the present order of bishop.. Ile thought the roamer.
would soon be that they shou'.d pay these bishop. out ,f the
funds of the existing bishoprics, and as the e engirt `est oe
would have much lees labour than they now had. itia: 'tor
incomes might to a great degree be dinsinishe!.
there were two orders of bishops, one which hat e- i.• ia
parliament, and the other not, it they deprived the le:coo
having seats of a sufficient income to enable them to e me
to the metropolis and attend to their parliamentary :roe.
he thought the next step would be that they E.: `oter
put them all on the same foatint, and take away :zoo
power of attending parliament. He thoutht the IrtUtICL:
would be inch. and that it would be vary 1 lo a .IC-
c.-ssful one. He was no: inclined to adopt the r:
the right hon. gentleman proposed. It appeared ti ;a
lead to changes which would not be consistent wish the coc-
stitution of the church. At the same time he .ti 1 n t say
that in future years it might not he eli•:.:11':e t 3
have bishops of a kind somewhat el sn'ar ti that
which the right honourab:e ;entlem en had ;ro•
posed. But he thought that suffragan bishops wire Pre'
f. table, because they would then hare the •uperior bishop
holding control, and have him in hi. place n rartismenq
representing the diocese. The right: bon oent.eman had
thrown out matter for the considerod sn of parlament, acl
he did not say that something of that kiad meet n...t here-
after be adopted.
Lord J. MANNERS said he coold not gather from
the noble lord that he bad any definite scheme on the soil.
jeot. This was no new question. All who hot weatin
en
the subject had agreed that a greater num at
of the episcopacy was shsolutely mercer!. 1:
the number of bishops was proportioned to the p000d:
at inoni ,Itthaleyr:tohuegphrot
to
bi
ste pihr.
pressed
u.Go country.
o.nt tier) ysd.Ti eaEniuo. gnolhao( fe:rh.
the
thelonl bishops was
rwehas:atsie ep:uu illuSwtchphise icanle;a'n'us than
ought to be left in the hands of government; and if pa,47,
wereis
sd
the
pecifying
ot the
clause d
w givengto .uetit
nzhitteh;:tsaio,mtstaEtehthi
he
Tmeri,....aw;tieotlejunrtitiwesrouteuch withdrew
.derp l be considered,daettedgi tehrt:lieamendment.
hoi
„.pseh way
intro-
duce/ for the first time, the house was scarcely prepared
decide on it.
The searedmeat wee withdrawn.
Lor
J, M AN N £lls moved the addition of the fallowing
claus
the
the Let:,
e in trust fin the bench[ .•1 such lureonaa.•, r
ci
:urnee..myfri.oy, itrTztr:rstii,T:htur.t:teaps t
vicision
ni
ir O.
wasu.
%r Olt
no
giumßoald:
_tn'es‘
ya 11:d.1.44:hwase
caw: rrudwithuowe
arisen
rd
par oraYmen
etc'
pt:1"
r.
e hd
s which
h a
b,anfwing
ASL:tal:ltirdirs„obew;iieatt:iglecßa:AE;Y:7l,,,Nt.hauneitini4ingenaeScinihsettihsenit,:::t7h:a:tt:itreedgithiwoatteh:c.lfaa....Tinal
Lode, tithee,.n.,tMr
,hail trot extend 1.5 .iii I raw
to r:eih:d.ryok7r,e,orni:ihn,theail,rnleee.a.rryoo.„
mh
i proposed, and which was an entirety
dpo":l:tria:wheAnower'ingriifregial:o:nt"L'flie°l°tsthallin:pi:;olifo:tirtresoi said
nt
hacmheeatuathi:haw:useori could not consent to the clause, se
some malin'aiias of the
oclaweitAsi:sumosfrrtamma.ev.rontlxoaLot-itftnill2:was.
uewitoerNlNadeuEzfrolow7inuedswhisittitahst.hr.
Goceuca.'t and Lord 1..
bellowing
nano ,inn ndr.-
eons a peculiar car exempt cch•,aawscsl lurie.lsa'ti.ns. whit h t:i; ..+:3
teas effect usy of the rocomntenJetiwu therein rrne.t.
thins ointained Is any or either of the .aid mtitrt r':. or elm .i(t
Anil be it declared aodenacted, that in the c. 0.,. oral en J.arnrr
,_
which shall ray longer be Arid by the archdeacon soh, • .1.
coca
of the twaing of the secondly recited act in toeririon them
pmelaiona of the mane act which Mote to the Markt .
tniastainere of the eetsies of any arehikeconry upon ‘t, rrlowmd et is
either of the mutes therein provided, and alio to the
MJn•+nr airs
any nob arehileweeary of any benefice with can, •
he con.trued and hilt to authorise ouch trawler or soh doonneei.....o
with the consent of the bile,io of the iihreae, and of the arch 'caa a‘
liht*""ni°n. :Mgt. nnlUtantah't ihtt'eteder.w7tith.lerra'rt‘hit,el,;%l"l"l:l7 enthn:t7b,o;'Cultt'll'lttlhlh.geh':Lhn:h:;o4';; l'',171"11471;r7:1:s
a-,,il i coil iii Drs
an owed in the aooion of rat hanient \chi in the 711' sort •
of licr Majesty', reign, Imitated, ".113 act to ca stain and 1,4

or"""..---bet,r roviiket lee the opining ain of maim •••
.0.1 a MOB& 111111111.111111.00
at ~ard. be emceed et ray Lae
,n tbe OZ.J 0( We et% ad as to moron►h
„. On: 4,7„;.iii•tedr wftlits fee pare freak the &Is er
V.
eYMr Bret horsed memo, ad asewith.
• ;me —bun &Wet stifr hem beano •am perish b y
tba the apt 00&./ wit eh rash dislefet was eon-
tte rro
- -

6. HfiItHERT raid be hid Or mike of serer
pt.
.tick 0111 riatdd r a separate paper. with the
me whit he eosaireed sendeary fee estridral
90 t° c,lier are mimed Array le pietas their
10.111',bey woad tic found rrbetly emitter with the
413"' ot society. The obpret of the setheabil body,
rwottism; ionises, was to set ea a court to the Web*, ea
tr'ot • , pad tcbgars to be seat to the arms:tiro* area
.5,1 w heir the seperieteadesee d gesseal wise
',Morin other dense. No deli. Win sore
r- abe Firm day thee Her; se snob so that
pairod7 "' • lc h time awls to attala these
evo ia,i _Odom
col;r of
be departed in ne eae 1./11400
0.4" s•stos. eat burr be wee tam darer et
..ko,tef to ,tstatos, bat baser* ha arra every
st tee statetis provided for the ehjeela urea ao
iaß`;ol The wit thing to be sewed wee rudder* ;
IN "..ideged of • him or anaemia le gnat an %beau
Itt bided. cr • cleigyinan. It was emir hem habit
ool"."• patig bed come to segnieme la the pedalled
.of t'w now ad tree saostbk red the partial
tit; of lets ra • far stare tbe yam The
0 lawee that though amen
bit be it very
with ray diapositive se . la sauld
estr °` diesel rime is tire amsdis, ores be was
ism AI" 64.4 by a very different sae. Thar s ear r
pfr
gps /KM
1,1 4.600 Wel illdUCl.d. By He dor errs he
_6ll.rla of itie emote as well as den direr MI to
rot months io thyee& ;the art aro ass, Hy
de, cher roc•emas ae sa beadle crept vials ea
coa. With regard to Nieves& Odle ef
te ProPotto to cony sta the pelaeipie el
(mei ate visitor poorer te 111111 op a tabus.
;..b.rida po 'acme of the adasphs. Meddle
Ts
, 00.4 as die W104860%1 OIPSWIIIIINSOL he (rest
me, ola specific dries to rob sant ; 014 arida
I:7o,mra,ici that ea* area amid serariatead the
,4; tii 01:110•81.8 el %be lead
t kiliine, erberiewee
,thol
Atstlstr
tsetttra. The verb of lib, reseal rotes
Na r: else on caw up to hr sarodrel team Se be
.vie comparative Meows to die dleamses.
;,7;il • halt ia tOO theses whirl hr reposedl,
oriel' &t riad Will the must Minutes.
egter ges-tise test lb* data/ be brought ep,
taIFY slot tLat I..oltaig at the obeernademe of the
us, b,s• f.t :omen ce the purport of dm, osoiolOollll.llls,
gap: strvi,os *Lather would involve the bare Is
d dualrs is arnica theca iota ark Miaow\ the
iirin."4oo mythsratitlei to sub eorideraties. h
s,aitac!sr that the darn cosh! set be roped Y alit

is..-- .r.: rule

rb, Beene ewe summed by Mr. Olodelose, Ms. Sum,
0,1 mr. Weed ; sod opposed by Mr. Rost,
le II cat. sod lewd 1. ResselL
kees detded :
I.r rke emote
dzeasst don
tbre ward Livery& ermemittee.
SUPPLY.

The (port of the reassatine-elespp- Ir was brought up end
fowl tc.
$ .NDIENT TO TUE MEMORY OF ME R. PEEL.
npor: et tits. moieties was banter up sad agreed to.
THE POOR RELIEF BILL
' b. r 'waled, was considered, esithe third read-
y fir t ariAsy rear, at 12 o'clock.
Tit S. • of E%chang• Bill, Or Burl is Trade Bill, sad
t. lanes* Arts Cnitismarre Bill, pared *rough coo-
attic
POPULATION BILL.

t'..s the enin of the clay tee thie third realms of this bill
lore feud t•T Mr. C. Lewis,
sll3lll^ .Rl' sited if the govessateut iatended to
tart se ttis hall et .o late an hoar or** sight a quarter
rot . V iry.'our orders had bows returned( fat twelve
c .th Seth a m>.ie of getting through the budge., was
Lotutme. It was just like that bungled affair the Exhibi-
ts Lioektor..
f.W DEG ATE feared that es the hill stood it would
tr won the tetteisste information. The node of pre-
red,s4 wet regard to it wee altogether sasstishistory. Re
e;ectod to tee pawing cf the bill without say security for
0-_,Ere Nem int Ts:tattoo as to the lest tea years than was
euited with -espeot to the preceding tea yews.
St C. LEWIS, is espleastioe, said the present bill
notch t.fetited the raw material et the sew. The onset
~ tot No takes hitters the god of Marsh is wet year ;
sit a- advantage weld be two by allowing the bill to per
to post rage.
Afar s few words team Mr. Stator, the bill was read
s ".:rd :tae, es wee also the Charitable Trusts (Indeed)
trio CrILCRALTET
ILL. MARRIAGES VALIDITY
B
Tice'.-wad dm& donalittee.
(.I.*:ELIT TO ANIMALS (SCOTLAND) BILL.

11.:7..• Wad • *mend dam:
L'UNES 'I TAKING FISH (=LAND) BILL.
71r .t c•ItT Masa wl to pompous tk• committal at
to tr.• amain, Attie, at this day.
MARRIAGES BILL.

(13 rte ;ww,ms do pew.
C):: CHATTER:CON mid be would not divide the holm
ea it, ~sistire, having previously done so. However, he
elan his riltest atainst its extension to Ireland.
('): t•ISTHORP also opposed the hill bid both km.
sal rs...tat having withdrawn their opposition at
tie wire d dui Wan, the question worn aad carried.
FISHIRIES. .

Git the motion of Mr. Lasoucuinft, leave was given to
Merin a bill to repeal part of an act of the 15th year of
1.2-4 George the Third, latitaled "An act for the enema-
rutement of the &defies carried on from Great Britain, Ire-
:sad, and the Biitieb dominions is Europe, and for securing
It. rotors of the fiekermen, sailors, and others employed
tke sold &Mertes to the porta thereof at the end of the
seemm."
The bill wu subsequently read a BM time.
The other 'edam were then disputed of, and the house
&turned at a gutter to one o'clock.

Cite ervretiO.

OUTGOING MAILS

The sails for Lisboa, Spain, sad Gibraltar will be made
* to morrow soar iog.
The West ladia Malls, exeladiag Bermuda, Mariana!,
Bum. tlrduras, New Orkeas, sad Mexico, and including
lbws kir Madeira. Bt. Jssu-de-Niarscaa, New Grenada,
CLI. awl Peraorill be made up tomorrow atoning.
Ti. waits for British North America and the United
Owes*. be made up on the area* of July 19.
The mails kr Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lasi= Islands,
krt. Coyle.. India, mud China, via Beuthemptes, will
le mace au es the morniag of July 20.
TG sei.la rid Mareeillse, to the Mediterraseen, Igypt,
C. Ise, lad* Hoci-Kong, to., will be made up ea the
svecv.,s of July 24.
las asiis for Maderia, the Brazils, and Buenos Ayres, will
Is mats up as the evening of August 4.

ZION VAT= AT LOITDOR =IDOL
Iry Anemias. 11. UNA
7.•eas.•—Konusa, ea. Ahenesill. B.3ft.

LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 16.

THE Et.' India annual hems and revenue accounts
hankie made their appearance. A little beyond, it is
trot., the tart f rumen sitting days of parliament after
the I.t of Nlny, as directed by 3 & 4 WILL. IV., c 85
sec 11'.. Somewhat earlier, however, than they have
usually been presented. lint still late enough to
prevent any useful discussion this session on Indian
!%ance—a subtct, said Sir ROBERT PIEL, in the
greatest of all is great budget speeches, "coos con-
olden d worthy of the attention of the Home of Com-
m/um" though now as studiously ignored in that assem-
bly as the internal comma of the Cherokees. What
does not interest parliament may bore the country;
so we deal papa in the height of mummer to do
more than cenionly notice these documents; import-
ant though they are to on. hundred and fifty millions
of • ur fellow-creatures, two-thirds our fellowsubjecte,
ct whose material cadition they cut a strong light;
Toe East India Cunpany is a liberal government
it is princely in the pay of its British servants, both
in ladle and is England ; it gives its Governor-
General r,,ixo•l. a year, with palaces and country
residences, it defrays all the oost of his move-
r/tents thrughout India, and Lord DALHOUSIE is
rarely at (inatta ; it gives the members of its
helyttee Coinuil 10,0004. a year ; the eerie" al/- putout+ of its Cosulander.in-Chief are at present
worth some 15,0001. or 14,0001. a year ; the "4-
'B4 a its eivil service average throughout
ett.'et 1,401. a year a head ; its military
. theme equally well remaaerated ; it has
armee 3009088 strong ; and it is about (so at
Brit Al stated) to expend tea lags of rupeu
800 is promoting the Universal Exhibition in
llyde-puk 1831. There is no such service in this
ce any other European country as that of the East
Wit Company. " It is the best in the world, boys,"
%as the empaatic remark of one that enjoys its
Lettit rewards, to a party of young officers who dis-
pei 1 its merits over his wine ; " it's the best in the
"10eri, boys; for all we have to do to get on is—to
hies."
Whether the imperial parliament would permit this
priccely and right royal expenditure, even in a tropi.
cm country, were it in any way directly responsible
for it, is a question for the cunons rather than the
practival. There is certainly nothing like it in the
reit of the empire, though at Ceylon salaries are
pitched tolerably high; and governors and d. putt'-
et morn, surveyors and secretaries, surgeons and
harbour-masers, are not badly, paid at Lium ab.
But to coalmen the rate of remuneration given at

Siena Lease awl the earhia, width haw poor rept-
tallow for losgevity, with the pay at lad* would be
to ocispete a dosiney with • ► tace4tenie. No "ifs
as best os as ~1, beeims.
Oaly, however, tee Poo natives it is
but a mum ereviee. seevioe—bad pay foe
interthe ofilees—le the sewn desk oat to them.
Tree it is, they live sei berialk is, if sot on the ear-
' vise ; at the expense, however, at ths moussaity, which
they rob sad &smith end by ',high they are bribed and
corrupted. thrtvialy aot by the pay they news
Bat " the natives me igurast, hum sad corrupt;
unfit, in short, far that employment which the last
Chests: Act Wended Mopes tethers. Wall, be it se ;
bet the geveramest of ea empire, where such Is the
character et its sobjeste, manse be soper-mreellent
sad how people Oki he expected to he bibrmea
where little or to provision Is man to provide Aga
with say odseatioa seaside far talmg a share in the
immanent et their own eimatrp kin wilt=
or ash net trusted ; inseereptible whore, whim
they sus barely mdet ea their pay, defies Europeaa

There is a homely old tole is this country quite as
applicable to govaremeats es to isdivideals t it is. to
he lest liellme limier generous. Thie was a cardinal
2111Xiill it Peskin : and remarkably free from joke it
kept ear deported statesman. Let es Met Whim
government by this ataxia. Let tie me whether this
liberality se& gentwesity of the East Les' Cleacpsoy
to their Xerepeen servants are altegothsejsetillable is
their pressanpesembry position. At hose, we ere cat-
tle( oar costs according to our cloth i let as mown&
whether they are she tieing so is India. Whitehall
hes set Leadeshall-street as example et converting by
steamy a admit iota a serplu. Let se dad on;
whether
lo . the example has bees. or is likely to be,
folwed

Nodding of the wt. Tho Wile* linenere as
erfidifracr gohad to wr
. ai as stillpaesidesdebtof
increasing. They reached en the 30th of April, 1848,
no Ism a sant than 43,0€6,2631., carrying an annul
interest of 2,046,2141. That, it may be said, is a
trifle; and so it would be, were the anneal receipts
and expenditure in a wholesome cesditiom Down
to the bat law years the expenditure rose faster
than the receipts, and so loft • yearly deficit;
but that* was some sossirrt to be extracted from the
fact, that the revenue did, severthelessoise. Now. how-
ever, that monies of ocosolatMo is taken away. The ex-
peaditure matinees to Wormer ; bat the revenue, for the
Arm time, begins to dames. The exams of expendi-
ture over receipts hes risen from 971,9091. in 1848-7,
to 2,324,7291. In 1848-9. The revenue. which in
18484 had reached 18,863,1431., in 1848-9 had fallen
to 17,692,61 e.. Now this Ices of nearly am million
stature o; revenue in three years is a mach
more sign:Lent fact than the augmented deficit,
gri rat thongt. itia. Fa the falling revenue indicates
:hat in the present condition of the nation, taxa-
tion has mars Mae mashed its limits in India; and
that it has been pitched so high as to begin to be un-
productive. When, then, we hear propositions for
adding to the weight of Indian taxation, here we have
a Leacon to warn the Indian government off
that rock. A Chancellor of the IK:chequer once
added 10 per cent. to English tales without mate-
rially increasing his income. So let the Icdiaa go-
vernment beware.

The truth is, that were it not for the Madras Pre-
sidency, and for the North-Weirton provisoes of
Beol, the government of India and their finances
would
be in a state of hopeless insolvency. In
Bengal proper, the deficiency has gone on increasing
from 1,41,54,169 rupees in 1846 7 to 2,94,15,415
rupees in 1848-9 ; and the Bombay deficit in the for
year is 57,73,612 rupees against 68,81,562 rupees
in the latter year. In Madras, on the other hand,
the surplus has risen (and by economy principally, for
the revenue has been nearly stationary), from
19,44,574 rupees to 47,54,557 • and the North
Western Proem= yield a surplus of 3,88,83,000
rupees; but, then, their military charges are included
in those of Bengal. And is Madras there has been
a vary general saspeesion of public work&
In addition to a falling revenue, there is, in these
accounte,another very disagreeable feature; and that
is an increase in the charges of collecting these de-
creasing receipts. Is Bengal, Madras, and in the
North Western Provincee, the cost of collection has
considerably increased ; and though there is an
apparent decrease in the Bombay presidency, it has
been produced by &dilating from the charges of col-
lecting the land and sayer revenues, the grants to
mosques and pagodas previously to 1847-8 included
in, but subsequently separated from those charges.
Now, the inference to be drawn from these increased
charges of collection, is an unpleasant one ; viz., that
augmented parry of existing taxation has been
placed on the springs of industry, and that the ryes
have been ground down to the uttermost : as usual
in such casts, to the deterioration, not to the improve-
ment of taxation.

Without eny desire to press this uncomfortable state
of facts further against the Indian government than
N fair or warrantable, and with a belief that peace
will to some extent mitigate the present frightful
deficit, we leave the subject; drawing, however,
from it two inferences; first, the anprofitableness of
Indian wars ; secondly. that real economy can only
be accomplished by calling. into play and activity the
native mind, and by carrying on the public services
of India much more through native agency. With
a deficiency of nearly two millions and a half ster-
ling, the reason why the East India Company cannot
undertake great public works is obvious enough;
more obvious, perhaps, than their justification in
spending, under such circumstances, 100,0001. in for
the Hyde-park Exhibition of 1831.

Ix taking part, as we do, against the pretensions of
the Danes to swallow upSChleswig and Holstein, aid
convert them into an integral part of Denmark,
under whatever sovereign or authority may reign at
Copenhagen, we would guard ourselves against being
supposed hostile to Denmark, its independence, or
even to the increase and compactness of its power.
We merely say, that the Danes should not seek to
attain such aim by violence, aid against the cherished
rights of the Duchies. And we strongly deprecate
England or Russia, or France coming forward to
encourage or abet Denmark in its prosecution or
fulfilment of such designs. We oppose and deprecate
them, first,lbecause it is unjust and oppressive to the
Duchies. Secondly, because it will not increase the
power of Denmark, by giving her territories with a
disaffected population, which will prove a source
of weakness and division, not of force or compact-
ness. And thirdly, because unable to retain the
hold over the Duchies spinet their will and rights,
Denmark must not only depend upon its own despotic
power, bat mast continually be calling in, and there-
fore be continually depeedeut upon, Russian aid for
its support.
The time has paused, when the frontiers and the great-
ness of empires can be extended by force. It has passed,
at least for the western and more enlightened nstioca
of Europe. Thus, although it may be possible for
the King of Denmark to win the affections and at-
tachment of Schleswigers and Holsteiners, and by
good government, liberal institutions, and a wise
spirit, absorb and assimilate these Duchies, we deny
that this end can ever be attained, as it is at-
tempted at present, by menace, by dragooned's, and
bombardment, or by means of that dozen sail of
Russian armed vessel., now in the port of Fleusbarg.
One would think, from the tone and the argu-
ments with which our absolutist organs assail the
Holsteiners and Prussia, that a democratic revolu-
tion had broken out in Settles rig, and had marched
to the overthrow of Danish rights, and the breaking
op of the Danish monarchy. Now, the facts are
quite the reverse. The di mocratic revolution, which
laid the Duchies in civil war and blood, broke out in
Copenhagen itseU, forced the hands of the King, and
got possession of the government. And it was the
government, formed in consequence of this successful
revolution, that invaded the rights and independence
of the l)uchiee, and provoked them to resistance.
Our English haters of revolution ought to bear this
in mind, that than was an insurrection at Berlin,
and a change of policiisconsequence; that there
was a revolution Copenhagen, and a change of
policy in consequence; whilst in Schleswig and Hol-
stein there was no insurrection—no revolution—bnt
misty a general desire to maintain its old institutions
and ts old right., just as they were.
The 'limn, in an article yesterday morning, deve-
loped, ',Oh respect to the question of Schlt swig, the
views and p.inciples of the Russian court. These are,
that Schleswig, and eves Holstein, are mere Dasish
province" : that OW have not the least right to pre-
tend to local ad minialration,repre"entatioo, or indepen-
dence: that their renitence against being completely