The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-11-11 00:00:00

THE DO( H 0011M(TTEE.

3fr. Turner then moved the appcintment of six Members
of the council to be members of the committee for the
affairs of the estate of the trustees of the Liverpool docks,
upon vacancies occasioned by the retirement from the
tolncil, under the provisions of the municipal act, of Mr.
Charles Turner, Mr. Edward Langsdale, Mr. Oliver Hol-
den, Mr. Thomas Robinson, Mr. Matthew Gregson, and
Mr. James Huhu. Four of these gentlemen were eligible
for re-election, but, in the place of Mr. M. Gregson and
Mr. Langsdale, two other gentlemen must b 3 chosen. As
their successors, he proposed Mr. F. A. Clint and Mr, H.
Hal head.

Mr. Cooper seconded the proposition.
The Town Clerk, at the suggestion of Mr: Turner, read
the formal resolution, which was unanithously adopted; and
the two gentlemen named elected.
THE QUARTERLY MEETINGS, &C. _ _

The usual quarterly meetings of the council were fixed
for the first Wednesday in February, May and August.
The several annual takers were appointed, and the usual
standing orders of the council were confirmed.

THE APPOINTMENT' OF THE CoMMITIEES

Mr. Tinne wished to be allowed to make a few observa-
tions at the present time on the subject of the appointment
of the committees. The council would recollect that, in the
year 1854, he made a proposition that the formation of the
c rminittees should be taken into consideration by a special
committee. At that time he had done so because he then
thought that the dudes devolving on the several committees
of the council were in some cases great and should be
diminished, and from what he had since seen his impression
bad not been altered. At that time his impressions had
been misconstrued, and there were some in the council who
thought that; by a little experience, he would have been led
to change his former...opinions. He would say that he had
had some experience, and he was confirmed in the views he
forMerly entertained, and there`ore it was be thought that
it would be most desirable to make some alterat'on in the
formation and construcion of same of the committees. He
thought that it would be seen that, i looking over the
committees, they could not find the right man in the right
place. (Hear, hear.) On some committees there was a
small, and on another a large, number of members
of the council chosen—in some cases one man
was on five committees, and on others on
two or three. He thought that objectionable. He
would also draw the attention of the council to the great
number of their committees, which number be thought
might be reduced. Therefore, when the proper time
arrived, he should move the number of persons that he
thought should be on that committee, and he thought
that certain duties that were now performed by one com-
mittee, might be disposed of by another. Ile thought that
the most respectful coursa for him to pursue, would be to
take each committee as it came before the council.

TUB FINANCE COMMITTER.
After a few observations from several councillors, as to
the proper course to be adopted in appointing this com-
mittee, _

Mr. S. Hohne proceeded to name sixteen gentlembn as
members of the committee.
Mr. Tinne then moved, as an amendment, that the com-
mittee should only consist of twelve members, and sug-
gested that the business of the marine stores should be
referred from the finance to the watch committee, and
that of the improvement committee and the observatory
committee to the finance committee. With regaid to the
observatory committee, their business, he said, was purely
of a formal character:

Mr. R. Gladstone seconded the amendment.

Mr. Holme was about to address the council, but was
informed he was oat of order.

Mr, Fernihough said he was not. prepared for the
amendment that had been moved by Mr. Tinne. He
opposed the amendment, believing that if any alteration
was made that it would not work well for the council, or
ba of any benefit to the town.
Mr. Bennett spoke in defence of the present arrange-
ment of the committee.
Mr. J. Stewart said he thought that Mr. Tinne was
quite mistaken in his views of the question when he sug-
gested a redu'etion of the number of the committees. He
had been a member of committees for some long time, and
he did not think it would be desirable to lessing the number,
but he did think it would be a good alteration to have the
marine store department .referred to the watch committee.
(Cries of vote vote).
Mr. Alderman S. Holme observed that the finance com-
mittee was broken up into a number of sub-committees,
each of whic-i, had a great deal of important business to
attend to. There was the parliamentary sub-committee,
which was likely to have a great deal of employment iu the
next Session of Parliament. Thole was the weights and
measures in.commi6tee, the accounts of which had to be
examine]. 'and passed every week. There were the
auditors' sub-cammittee, the town dues sub-committee, and
-the machine testing sub-committeg ; each and every one of
earn, with large and important business to attend to. It
should also be remembered that, in the summer time, many
members of the council were absent; and, if the committees
were reduced to twelve, he feared that the sub-committees
could not always count on a quorum. He should, therefore,
Persevere in his motion.
Mr. Tiune then withdrew his amendement, as to the
number of the committee, but - observed that hi should
persevere in moving that the duty, of granting marine store
licenses be transrerred to the watch committee.
Mr. Alderman S. Holme : And to that, I have not the
slightest objection. Mr. Holme then proposed the name of
each individual member of the committee, and Mr. Hornby,
Mr. Bramley-Moore, Mr. Picton, Mr:Parker, Mr. J. H.
Turner, Mr. Cooper, Mr. Tyrer, Mr. W. Preston, Mr.
Fernihough, Mr. Dover, Mr. Tebbe, Mr. J. Stewart, Mr.
Earle, Mr. Brancker, Mr. John Aikin, and, himself (Ur.
Holme,) were unanimously elected.
When Mr. Alderman Toulinin's name was proposed,
Mr. Robertson Gladstone rose to move an amendment.
He said that, it was no personal disrespect to Mr. Toulmin
that prenipted him to do so, but that it was the opinion of
a great many members of the council, that, as regarded
Mr. Toulmin, it was desirable that another name should be
substituted for his on the committee. He should, there-
fore, move as an amendment, that Mr. Sheil be elected as a
member of the committee, particularly. so as the votes on
the question would test whether they were sincere in their
detire to elect the best men, no matter who they might be..
Mr. A. C. Stewart seconded the amendment.
Mr. Alderman Dover demanded, that some reason should
be given for the rejection of Mr. Teulmin, besides a simple
objection to his name. He did think, and he thought still,
that solicitors bad better not be on the finarce committee.
(Hear, hear.) That qui stion was, however, solemnly argued
in the council some years sluice, and he and those who agreed
with him were in a minority on the occasion, and the coun-
cil having so asserted the principle, that solicitors were
qualified to sit on the finance committee, he should now,
unless good reason were shown to the contrary, vote for Mr
Toulmin-
Mr. A. C. Stewart replied that it was easy to give such
reasons. First of all, Mr. Toulmin was a solicitor, and,
though the council at one time held that solicitors might be
on the committee, still their laws were not lite those of
the Medes and Persians, never to be altered. Again, Mr.
Teti:llmin did not regularly attend his duties in the council,
and it was therefore right to infer, that he equally neglected
them in committee. (hear, bear.)
Mr. Alderman S. Holme remarked that Mr. Toulmin was
a regular attendant at the committee meetings—(hear,
hear)—and that, if there were an objection to solicitors
being on the committee, they should also object to archi-.
tects and surveyors being there. (Hear, hear.)

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Mr. Alderman Toulmin : I have to state that I attended
the committee oftener than any other member on it. I
challenge any member to say that he attendel oftener than
I did.
The amendment was then put and lost by 20 to 36. The
voting,was as follows :
For the amendment :—Cceincillors : Messrs. Stitt,
Stewart, Woodruff, Ilaydoek. Nicholson, McGuffie, Holden,
Steains. Tinne, R. Gladstone, Earle, Johnson, Jeffery,
Kitchen, Hodson, Mellor, Beckwith, Aikin, Clint, and
Anthony-20.
Against the amendment :—Councillors : Messsrs. Crosth-
waite, Bradley, Godfrey, Littledale, Tyrer, Turner
Livingston, Banner, Fernihough, J. Gladstone, jun.,
Wagstaff, Lawrence, Shand, Fleming, Brancker, Tobin.
Piston, Farnworth, ,Robertson, Hall, and Halhead,
Aldermen : Messrs. Chilton, Bennett, Preston, Horsfall ,
Dover, Robinson, Turner, Houghton, Bold, Parker, Cooper,
Gardner, Toulmin, Halme, and the Ilayor-36.
It will be observed that Mr. Toulmin voted for himself,
but that Mr. Sheil did not.
Mr. Robertson Gladstone then moved that Mr. J. R.
Jeffery be elected in the room of Mr. Toulmin.
Mr. Alderman. Toulmin : Can the votes be taken for
that ? I understand not.
The Mayor decided that they could.
Mr. A. C. Stewart s,conded the amendment.
Mr. Aikin and Mr. Tinne declared that they should vote
for Mr. Toulrnin, on the ground that the sense had been
fairly expressed in the matter, and that any further motions
would be factions.
The arnendm, nt was lost by nine to forty-fire, Mr.
Gladstone, Mr. Haydock, Mr. Woodruff, Mr. Sheil, Mr. A.
C. Stewart, Mr. Hodson, Mr. Kitchen, Mr. Beckwith, and
Mr. Stitt, alone voting for it.
Mr. Alderman Toulmin was, accordingly, declared elected
on the committee:
. Mr. Tinpc's motion, that the granting of marine store
dealers licenses be transferred to the watch committee, was
lost on a show of hands.

WATCH, LIGHTING, AND FIRE POLICE COMMITTEE.
Mr. Johnson proposed that the following gentlemen con•
stitute the committee—Messrs.' Anderson, Godfrey, Hal-
head, Brancktr, Holden, W. Nicholson, John Gladstone, W.
P.'Jeffreys, Bold, Clint, Robertson, Mann, Livingston, Fern-
worth, Atkin, Steains, Stitt, and Johnson.
Mr. Charles Turner suggested that the name of Mr.

It. Houghton be added to the committee, as that gentleman
had been once a very active and useful member of it.
Mr. Tinne considered the number of the committee
already too large, and moved that it be reduced to sixteen.
Mr. Beckwith stconded the motion.
Mr. Hodson fully agreed with the motion. He had felt
it necessary himself, upon many occasions, to make remarks
upon the proceedings of the watch committee; and he had
always found that they had a large majority in the council,
even in cases where they had been obliged to admit that
there was a great deal of force and truth in the remarks he
had made. If that committee were to be increased to
tinetUn, nearly one-third of the council, he should like to
know what chance there would be of carrying an amend-
ment upon their proceedings, even supposing that the
amendment was just and required ? Now, he had been
a member of that council for eight years, and it was well
known that he had a desire to be a member of the watch
committee. He could have no personal motive in desiring
to become a member of that committee—his only motive
was, that he believed he could be serviceable in
that capacity. His avocations in life were such as frequently
brought him in contact with many of the officers of the
watch committee, and he felt that he could be of essential
service to it, He was already on three important com-
mittees, and had no personal desire to increase his work, but
his object was to do the best he could for the town of
which he was one of the repreientatives. But although it
was a well known fact that he had had that desire for some
years back to g 3 upon the committee, systematically he had
been objected to. In this instance there were new names
(he did not object to Mr. Steains or Mr. Stitt, both were
men who would do honour to the committee), the names of
men who .had barely entered the portals of that room,
selected for the committee, while he, au old member, because
he did his duty by exposing the committee in important
matters, is he should always think it his duty to do, was
always •careftilly and systematically kept t.,ff it. 'lt had COnle.
tQ his ears that it was said he must not be allowed into the
conlmittee. Why was that ? Was there something in the
back ground which required to be clouded ? Ile contended
that the council had a right to put gentlemen upon
committees on which they them3elves felt that their
services would be beneficial. Finally, he supported Mr.-
'Clone's proposition to reduce the numbers.
Mr. Johnson declined, after the remarks made by Mr.
Hodson, to sane ion any alteration in the numbers,
even in the instance of Mr. Houghton, as suggested by Mr.
Turner.

The council divided, when Mr, Tiant's motion was
.rejected.
Mr. Tinne moved that the committee consist of nine-
teen members, and that Mr. Houghton's name be added.
Mr. Alderman Cooper seconded the motion.
3Slr. Alderman Dover suggested that the committee
should consist of twenty members, and that Mr. Hociz,:r.'s
name should be added to it, as he would give less trouble
in it than out of it. (Laughter.) He remarked that Mr.
Hodson always opposed the proceedings of the smoke com-
mittee, until he was put on that committee, and then,
instead of being a grumbler, he became a very active
supporter. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. Tobin agreed with a great that of what hal been
said, as to the disadvantage of having the committee too
numerous, and he disapproved of the increase to nineteen.
He did not think, however, there was any difficulty in the
present instance. He did not think either Mr. Stitt or
Mr. Steains could feel that there was any personal objection
to them, it those who had known Mr. Houghton as a most
attentive and valuable member of the committee in former
years, felt bound to vote for him now against one or other
of those gentlemen. That cuurse he declared that he
should adopt.
_ _

Mr. Godfrey said, he could meet the difficulty corn-
ple,ely. He begged to withdraw his name from the
committee. lie had not attended its meetings for some
months, in consequence of a remark made by Lord illaring-
ton in the. House of Commons, about a brewer being a
member of the committee. He was told by the Town-
clerk this did not apply to him, but he felt it. He, there-'
fore, begged to withdraw his name, remarking that this
was the second time he had asked leave to do so. (Hear,
hear.)
The Mayor : The council may accept the resignation,
without at all adopting Lord Ebrington's remarks.
The name of Mr. Houghton was accordingly substituted
for that of Mr. Godfrey.
Mr. Samuel Holme suggested that the name of Mr.
Mann, who was a member of the dock committee,, and was
moreover not in good health, should be withdrawn, and
that of Mr. Hodson added.
Mr. Alderman Dover supp3rted the suggestion.
Mr. Johnson opposed it, on the ground that Mr. Mann
vas now restered to health, and was a most useful member.

Mr. Alderman Bold thought it would be hurtful to ➢ir.
Mann's feelings.
Mr. Hodson said, whatever he might feel upon the ques-
tion he had spoken of, he was certainly not there to go
against a gentleman of such respectability and attention as
Mr. Mann, who had only absented himself on account of
ill health. He would not, therefore, allow his name to be
proposed in opposition to Mr. Mann. He could readily
undprstand the determined hostility of the resolution not
to have him on the committee, but he should, nevertheless,
persevere in the course which he thought his duty, whether
he should be a member of the committee or not.
The sumgestion was then withdrawn, and the committee
constituted as proposed, with the single alteration men-
tioned.

Mr. Woodruff then moved that the duties of the hackney
carriages and dicensing committee be placed under the
arrangement of the watch committee. The former
committee had had the charge for six years. At first there
was a great deal of trouble to put the thing in a proper
shape ; but now it was so well organised that it could fairly
be referred to the watt committee. The latter commi tee
had the control of 800 or 1,000 men, and every one of these
men could become a hackney coach inspector, and thus the
work would be done much more efficiently than at present.
When it was taken into consideration that there were
sometbing like 4,000 carts and carteis in Liverpool, and
nearly 1,000 drivers in Liverpool, he asked how it was
possible that a committee, which had only two men under
its control, could manage the duties ? if they wanted their
hackney carriage arrangements carried out with efficiency
and advantage to the town, and in a manner becoming of
the corporation, let them place these arrangements under
that committee which had charge of the whole police force.
Mr. Earle had great pleasure in seconding the proposition.
He thought the business so obviously one connected entirely
with police arrangements that it ougut to be under the
charge of the watch committee. • There would be also a
great advantage in giving the police something to
do, instead of • walking about the streets, show-
ing what a handsome set of fellows they were
—as indeed they were, and very well drilled, and with
as much pipeclay as they need to have. (Laughter.) Let
them pay some attention to the hackney carriages. There
were also those monkeys of porters, who went riding about
the town as if they were Queen's messengers. (Laughter.)
He saw a fellow yesterday on a mule, which he must needs
flog to make it kick for the amusement of the lookers-on ;
and his friend, William Rathbone, bad nearly had his
broad-brim kicked off. (Laughter.) The police would be
well employed in attending to these irregular fellows.
Mr.-Clint urged that the watch committee had already
enough to do.
Mr. Tinne and Mr. Hodson supported the proposal ; Mr.
Bennett and Mr. Fernihough opposed it.
The proposal was lost by 39 to 15.
IMPItOVEMENT COMMITTEE.

Mr. Alderman Bannett moved that the following gentle-
men constitute this c)mmittee:—Messrs. Gardner, Robin-
son, Johnson, Picton, W. P. Jeffrey, Earle, Robertson,
Kitchen, Livingstone, J. R. Jeffery, Stitt, Steains, Mellor,
Anthony, and Bennett.
Mr. 'Finns Moved, as an ame❑dment, that the committee
do merge into the finance committee, on the ground that the
act of parliament had expired which required the services of
the committee.

Mr. Turner, Mr. Uolme, and other gentlemen opposed
the amendment, which- was put to the vote and lost.
The committee was elected as proposed.
COURTS OP LAW AND ST. GEORGE'S HALL.

Mr. Alderman J. H. Turner moved the following, list
of names.:--Messrs. John Stewart, Bramley-Moore, Picton,
Parker, Tobin, Braneker, S. Holme, William Earle, and
J. Turner.
Mr. Tinne moved that the duties of the town hall
establishment committee, and those of that committe be
merged into one.
The amendment, however, was not sec ended, and the
committee was elected as proposed.

MARKETS COMMITTEE.

Mr. Alderman Cooper moved the following: Messrs.
Johnson, Farnworth, Banner, Woodruff, W. P. Jefferys,
M'Guifie. Chilton, Robertson Gladstone, Holden, Shoji, and
Bradley. As Mr. M'Gaffie wished to retire, the name of Mr.
Beckwith was substituted for his, and the list was adopted
with this alteration.

•
EDUCATION COMMITTER,
The following gentlemen were appointed, on the motion
of Mr.' Banner :—Messrs. Anderson, G trdner, Wagstaffe.
Beckwith, Fleming, J. Gladstone, W. P. Jcfferys, Alexander
Sband, W. Nicholson, Robertson, Hill, Crosthwaite,
Bradley, Livingstone, Steains, and Banner.
Mr. Tinne moved that the number be redncei to twelve ;
and Mr. Bradley seconded the 'notion, which was, however,
lost upon a division.
GAOL AND HOUSE OF CMRECTION a ,MMITTEE.
The following were appointed :—The Mayor, Messrs. j.
Stewart, Hornhy, C. Turner, Gladstone, S. Hnlme Ander-
son, J. H.
Turner, Tobin, Holden, Godfrey, Parker, Ban-
ner, Horsfull, and 'Houghton.
TOWN HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE—
The following gentlemen were appointed :—Messrs. J.
H. Turner, the Mayor, Brarnley-Moore, Preston, Horxiby,
Littledale, Samuel Holate, Tobin, Gladstone, Gardner,
Horsfall, and Stewart.
HEALTH COMMITTEE.
The following gentlemen were appointed :—Messrs.
Dover, Beckwith, Sheil, Fleming, Robertson Gladstone,
Godfrey, James Hohne, Hodson, Johnson, M‘Gurfie,
Crosthwaite, Tinne, A. C. Stewart, Haydock, Stitt,
Holden, and Anthony.
Mr. Time moved that the number..be reduced to 16,

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and the duties of the baths' committee transferred to this
committee. The motion however received no seconder.

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GARDENS' COMMITTEE.
On the motion of Mr. Preston, Messrs. Gardner, Ben-
nett, Beckwith, Woodruff, Steains, Fleming, A. Shand.
Clint, Crosthwaite, and Preston, were appointed members
of this committee.

CLIURCH
EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE.
Mr. Banner moved that the following gentlemen be the
committee, which was agreed to :.—Messrs. Wagstaff, W.
P. Jefferm A. C. Stewart. A. Shand, Mann, Lawrence,
Kitchen, Bradley, and Banner.

OMR UNTATORY COMMITTEE.
Mr. Tyrer moved the following list :—Messrs. M‘Guffie,
J. Gladstone, Hall, Wagstaff, Aikin, Tinne, Bennett,
Bold, Bramley•Moore, and Tyrer.
The list was adopted.

WATER COMMITTEE.
Mr. Cooper moved the following nwnes :__Messrs.
Braneker, Hornbv, Holme, 'Woodruff, Hodson, Waroaff,
Thine, John Gladstone, Livingstone, Farnworth, Earle,
Chilton. Horsfall, and Cooper.

Mr. Clint suil-gested that Mr. Bennett be appointed on
the committee.
Mr. Ablerinan Holme said be would support the sugges-
tion, on the ground assigned by Mr. Dover in a former
instance. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) •
Mr. Turner moved that Mr. Bennett be substituted for
Mr. Horsfall. who desirel to retire. •

The motion was agreed to, and with this alteration the
list was carried.

LIBRARY AND MUSEUM CIMMITTER.
. Mr. Picton moved the following gentlemen:--111.2ssr:t.
Fleming, Bennett, Beckwith, Woodruff, Earle, A. C.
Stewart, Hodson, Kitchen, Aikin, Laurence, Steains,
Stitt, and Picton. The list was agreed to.
Mr. Pieton stated, that the act of Parliament allowed
the committee, at the discretion of the council, to add to
their numbers from outside the council. Hitherto they
had not thou tht this desirable ; but, on this occasion, he
ventured to propose the name of a gentleman, not now
a member of the council, but who had been an
acifFe. useful, and energetic member of the council. and
of that c.-mnalittee, who was universally respected, and
whoso assista;:fte would he most valuable—Mr. George
!Jolt. (Rear, hear.) That gentleman was willing to
continue his services in the committee if the council
thought proper.
The motion was carried.
Mr. Alderman J. 11. Turner thought as they had estab-
lished the principle, there was a gentleman pre-eminently
"entitled 'by his character and his princoly liberality-to
such an honour—Mr. William Brown. (Hear, hear.) He
proposed that Mr. Brown's name be added to the com-
mit t ee. _ _ _

Mr. Alderman Holm seconded the motion, which was
unanimously adopted.
Mr. Picton said the committee felt the ;desirability of
acting upon Mr. Brown's suggestion for commencing the
e,::y building as soon as possible. He had to propose,
theretert;, in order that no time should be lost, that it be
an ingtructi6D to the committee to proceed with the plans
for the new building, and tm procure tenders for the
erection, subject to the approval of the council. Accord-
ing to the estia;ate of the sur-::f•yor, the expense of the
plan recommended by fir. Brown would he from £30,000
to .t 32,000. Taking the la;;?-t' at!rn, and adding the expense
of the land, as estimated by to surveyor, the amount
required for carrying out the object be £47,000.
To meet that their finances stood as foltj:vsre,,,, d
l—,
eTn ee Yr
had £lO,OOO already in hand. Mr. Brown p
them with 812,000. making £22.000. The value
the old building was estimated by the surveyor at
.£4,009, making .e 26.000. Thy y ilad power to borrow,
ender their act of Parliament. £20,000. That would make
4846,000 against the required £47,000, and if they took a
mean of 831,000 as the cost of the new building, it would
be exactly the sum at their disposal. As they did not
attempt to make any inroad on the corporate purse, the
presumed there would be no objection to adopt the reso-
lution he proposed.
Mr. Kitchen seconded the motion.
Mr. Earle thought there was no need of such extraordi- -
nary haste in procuring tenders. They had already made
fools enough of themselves in advertising for a building
for £20,000 which could not be erected for £.10,000. He
urged a postponment until another council.
Mr. Tyrer : There is a great difference also about the
situation. I understand the gentleman who has been so
very liberal objects to the situation. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Turner also urged Mr. Pieton to postpone the
motion for the present, until the whole subject could be
more deliberately considered.
Mr. Pictort finally consented to withdraw the motion
until the next council.

HACKNEY CARRIAGES' COMMITTEE.
The following committee were appointed on Mr. Wood-
ruff's motion :—Messrs. Bennett, W. P. Jeffery s, Holden,
Wagstaff, M'Cruffie, Kitchen, Beckwith, Godfrey, and
Woodruff.

BATIIS AND WASIIOUSES' COMMITTEE.
On the motion of Mr. Wagstaff. the following commit-
tee was appointed :_Messrs. Fernihough. Parker,
Al,Guffie, J. Gladstone, Fleming, W. P. Jefferys,
Branoker, Lawrence. and Wagstaff.
WATER BAILIFF'S COMMITTEE.

On. the motion of Mr. Bold, Messrs. Mann. Tfornby. C.
Turner, Littledale, Clint, A. C. Stewart, and Bold, werd
appointed the committee.

OAS COMMITTEE.
Mr. Kitchen moved the following committee, who werd
elected:—Messrs. Crosthwaite. A. C. Stewart, Bradley,
J. R. Jeffrey, Woodruff, Mellor, Dover, R. Gladstone,
Sheil, Haydock, and Kitchen.
BIRKENHEAD DOCK COMMITTEE:
Mr. Alderman S. Holme moved the following committee :
—Messrs. Hornby, J. Stewart. Mann, Earle, Robertson
Gladstone, Bold, Aikin, Bramley.Moore. Tobin, J. R.
Jeffrey (in the room of Mr. Picton, retiring), Clint,
Charles Turner, and S. Holme.
THE ,APPROACHES TO THE BITER.
Mr. W. Earle said that he should be the last person la
the world to wish to injure the commerce of the port, for
it was by that we all lived—.(hear, hear,)—but he thought
that the inhabitants of Liverpool and Cheshire, for both
were equally interested, ought to have better approaches
to the river than they now had. (Hear, hear.) Millions
of people annually crossed the river. but they did so at
danger to life and limb, in consegnence of the crowded
state of the approaches—an evil wh►ch would be rendered
still worse when the new landing stage was erected.
(Hear, hear.) It was necessary that they should take the
subject into consideration, and he should, therefore, move
that it be referred to a select committee, with instructions
to report as to the best means of improving the
approaches ; the committee to consist of Mr. Bennett,
Mr. Bold. Mr. C. Turner, Mr. James Holme, Mr. Tobin.
Mr. R. Gladstone, Mr. J: It. Jeffrey, Mr. ' John Aikin,
Mr. J. Stewart, and himself.
Mr. Alderman Bold seconded the motion.
Mr. Hodson: Is all the expense to fall on the people of
Liverpool ?
Mr. Alderman Parker: To be sure it is. ' '
I,lMr. Hodson:: Then I object to it. I have no objection-
to a joint committee, the expense to be borne by the dock
committee, the corporation, and all who participate lathe
1 benefit of the improvement, but Ido protest against the ,
town of Liverpool being saddled with all the expense.
(Hear, hear).
Mr. Alderman Parker : It will all end in a borough
rate—they are driving at it.
Mr. Alderman Cooper thought the evil might be
remedied by having other approaches to the river.
Mr. W. Earle: The south end ?
Mr. Alderman Cooper : I wish you would attend to
your own business, Mr. Earle.
IMr. W. Earle : You are attending to yours. (Groat
laughter). ..
Mr. Alderman Cooper contended that the best thing
would be to have approaches to the river at some other
quarter of the town.
After some conversation the motion was adopted.
RESIGNATION OF MR. AVVIIRRGEI.
A letter was read from Mr. John Wybergh, resigning
the office of treasurer of the borough.

Mr. Alderman S. Holme said : It became his duty to
move that the resignation be accepted, and he did so with
mixed feelings of pleasure and pain—with pain, that the
eorporatiOn were about to lose the services of a most
valuable officer—one who had filled the office of treasurer
for a period of over twenty years with efficiency, courtesy.
and fidelity—(hear, hear)—but with pleasure that, having
now approached a late period of life, he was about to re..
tire into privacy with abundant means at his disposal.
It would b.! invidious if he were to eulogise the name of
one officer, overlooking those of others ; but he did think
he might venture to say, without detracting at all from
the respect which was due to the other officers, that none
of them had fulfilled their trust better than Mr. Wybergh
had done. (Hear, hear). And, while they rejoiced that
ecyye
bowefroagunhl
.d !I officer
a cv
oe
nwet
ihhuae.
circumstances enabled him to retire from the toils and
labours which he endured for many years, he (Mr. Holme)
greatest difficulty ipwnrionstitomrstepehsidey:liuntatghisoetnmno:arP.
for one, had no hesitation in saying, tiwha
had been so valuable
resignation That thishaving
council..be a •
considerings accepted,in
1r
tilhe°tlhfuelelofaithful services of the treasurer, Mr.
Wybergh,
Wybergh, during a period exceeding twenty years, desire
to record their approbation of the- zeal and ability with
whioh he discharged the duty of his responsible office.
the unvaried courtesy* and the, fidelity which he has
manifested in the trust subject to him ' • and the record of
tiistheeouwniesihLtihnart heece mayivin enjoy every
his resignation, is accompanied
by
happiness in his
retirement." (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Robertson Gladstone seconded the motion, which
was unanimously adopted.
The vacancy must, by law, be tilled up twenty-one
days after the acceptance of the" resignation. A special
council will, therefore, have to be summoned for the
purpose.
Applications from Mr. A. Tweedie, Mr.A. Neilson, Mr.
C. W. Rippon, Mr, Peter Chaloner, &c., for the office,
were reterredo the finance Committee.
A memorial from the inhabitants of Birkenhead, is
reference to the approaches to the river, was referred to
the special committee on that subject.
ttrA letter from Mr. John Laird, asking that the notices
for the improvement might be given this session, was
referred to the same committee.
A memorial from the Architectural Society, against the
emplOyment of the corporate officers in private business,
was referred to the Town Clerk.
A memorial from the Choral Festival Society, for a
revision of the charges made for St. George's Hall for
concerts and rehearsals, was referred to the St. George's
Hall committee.
A memorial, as to the anchoring of vessels in the track
of the ferry steamers, was referred to the committee 04
harbour matters.
The council then broke up.:

MONETARY AND COMMERCIAL.

LIVERPOOL, MONDAY EVENING

Cotton has been in pretty fair- demand today,
and holders supplying the market sparingly, prices
were rather a point against the buyer, compared
with last week's rates. American descriptions are
extreme, other sorts are held firmly at late rates.
The. sales to-day are estimated at 7,000 bales, of
which 1,000 were ta'
export.

weal(

proved,

verpool Share

Aberdeen, 121,
154 16; Cate

East Laneftsl

Ditto A Sha

64T 65

9tßffor

an, 284

1, Cros

earth

Eastern

d Yorl
and Soul,'

!shire, 64 sad
13-16. York,

GfOt

rth Br

sh. 91

1. Buffalo a

ish, 1
Ditto.

ake Huron

New Shares,
ld.

The uneasy state of the Money Market, noticed
in our remarks o

Saturday,

Indeed, it is somewhat aggravated by fact of the
non-arrival of the gold lq.den ships from Australia.
The.. James Baines is now out 94 days, and the
Lightning 76, supposing the latter vessel sailed on
the 26th of August.

The la

ng wou

sta

are no do

,cted in th

ure v

ships

relief to

ney Market

$1 not so g

)Od to-day as

s were limited, and

i was

of my e:

at the

upon r

shores

pleasure in stt

add,
Messr

The Ind

impor

Frida

CORRESPONDENCE FROM INDIAN QUEEN.

STOCKPORT, Nov. 9, 1856.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN TIMES

At the earnest request of my brother, who sailed
from Liverpool in the Indian Queen, as an emigrant
to New Zealand, I forward you the following letter
for insertion in your widely circulated journal
On board the Indian Queen, N
Mv dear Brother—We are, at the time I write,

the Irish Chan

and having the means anc

1856

nied b

11 part company shortly

g communication to you, and forwarding the

n) self of the oppoituniTy. to furnish a fay particulars
Kperience as an emigrant. To begin, then,

beginning, 1 must apprise you thai.we were

ch we Contemplated

land of our adoption

g that our detent

ui tine our

ion (resall ing from

ler of passengers being completed

any inconvenience which might otherwise have de-
volved upon us being amply compensated for by the

of Messrs. James Baines & Co

itment, during our

s' detention

We arrived in Liverpool on th

9th of September, and visited the Company's offices,
, Crok s'reet ; but, as the Oliver Lang was already

furnished with her full complement of passengers, we
were informed that we must await the succeeding
vessel, and were " billetted" upon Mr. Ramsay, 71,
Highfie'd street, at whose hospitable mansion we
were boarded and lodged from that time to the
departure of the Indian Queen, and from whom, as
well as from every member of his family, we met
ibt near at i with the greatest kindness and uniform courtesy and

seem characteris is of all the gentlemen in

Baines C

Co 's es'ablishmed;

but if one

official is entitled more than another to •especial
mention for affability, urbanity of manners, and
courteous demeanour towards perfect strangers, it is
Mr. R. F. James, of the passenger department,,
through whose generosity and instrumentality, more-
over, myself and family are enjoying the conveniences
and comforts of the second cabin, although nominally
only steerage passengers. This extraordinary favour
I attribute, in the first instance, to the kind interces-
sion of Mr James Lomax, jun ,of Francis-street,
Stockport, the agent in that borough for Messrs.
Baines dc Co , who is entitled to my warmest
gratitude for the lively interest he took in my affairs,
find the valuble correspondence he undertook in my
behalf. Give my kindest regards to that gentleman
and his amiable family, as well as to Mr. Albiston,
whose flattering recommendation was of the utmost
service to me, and contributed much to secure for'
me the indulgences to which I have referred
But to return to my subject Shortly af er taking
up our abode at Mr Ramsay's, our expenses being
borne by the liberal film connected with the Black
Bull Line, we were enabled to recruit our finances
to some extent, Messrs B & Co. finding us employ-
ment iu the docks, for which they paid us at the rate
of 2s. per day, notwithstanding we were boarded and
lodged at their expense. In proof of the noble
minded generosity of these gentlemen, I will here
nari ate the circumstance of an accident I met with
while occupied upon the Great- Tasmania. When
working at the windlass, being ordered to liberate

the handle, I did so, and stepped out of harm's way;
but a moment afterwards, pet ceiving a boy (who had
been turning with me) in imminent danger of losing
his life, I rushed forward to save him, and myself

deck, receiving in the fall a cut on the back of my
head. I was conveyed to the Southern Hospital, and
experienced every attention from the medical attend

'ortunately,

was not seriously injured.
During my confinement in the hospital I was not
forgotten by the Black Ball Company, several of
whom visited me repeatedly, and otherwise testified
their sympathy, as you will admit wh,,n I inform you
that I received my wages constantly while under
surgical treatment, and, therefore, rendering no
se vice to the company. When I became convalescent
a lighter descripion of employment was found me,
and my wages continued ; so that you will perceive I
have every reason to be everlasingly grateful to the

.n, in which w

r the management of

!apt. Jobson

experience and well-known

of H eaven
brightest hopes of a safe, propitious, and

under ti

)lessir

We are bound for New Zealand,
the rising poet of Wellington being our destination.

successful voyage

Our good ship is one of ihe fleet which James Baines
& Co , of the Black Ball Line, have devoted to that
new and remarkable enterprise, and conveys the
second batch of passengers which the government of
that colony have negocia ed tor, to aid in developing
the abundant resources of that important portion of
the southern hemisphere. Her complement of pas
sengers numbers 340, 120 of whom are children, the
remainder comprising agricultural labourers and
tisans —all healthy and good looking people. On
October 31, about noon, the passengers

were .7
all assembled on the poop-deck, and Were
inspected by the government medical officer, while
the ship was strictly scrutinised by his official associate,
Lieut Bouchier, R.N. The survey was pronounced
satisfactory. Shortly afterwards, the emigrants all
enjoyed a substantial dinner on board—beet, potatoes,
and biscuits, being profusely served; and, subsequently,
very touching scene was enacted on board, the
Rev. James Buck, from the Seamen and Em grants'
Friend Society and Bethel Union, bolding a religious
service on the quarter deck, where we had singing,
prayer, and preaching, and a number of interesting
tracts were ch culated amongst the emigrants The
next day, at noon, our vessel was got under weigh,
and the Rev. Mr. Buck being again on bo,,rd, took
advantage of the opportunity to hold another service,
similar to that of the preceding day; and I am proud
to say it was entered into with much devoutness and
attention, the rev. gentleman concluding by commit
_ _ _ _

ting us to the care of a gracious God, and invoking
the blessings of Heaven upon our heads This cere-
mony over, the ship's guns were charged, and the
roar of the cannon, four times repeated; sounded the
Indian Queen's farewell salute to the port of Liver-
pool. We were now outside the Mersey, the open
s-a all before us. The sun- dispelled the fog, and
shone gloriously upon the waters, which glistened
like glass around us. The attendant s'earner pow
overtook us, bringing the owners' final orders, and
prepared to t ,ke back to Liverpool those on board
not bound for New Zealand. An affectionate parting
between the emigrants and the rev gentleman having
taken place, we pursued our course through the vast

expanse of waters. Yon will be delights dto learn
that arrangements have been made for the establish-
ment of schools, during the voyage, for the young
people ; as also for the due celebration of divine
service and the preaching of the Gospel, so that
everything which could be done for our bent fit has
received due attention. Although our pass:.ngers
looked so hearty at starting, we have abundant
sickness at times, owing to the rocking of this

stand we

shall improve upon this when the steamer leaves us.
The weather is beautiful, and the sea, looks charm.
ing ;. and having got accustomed to our hammocks,
we sleep as comfortably as though ensconsed in bed
at home. Present our kind respects to all relatives
and enquiring friends, and express our gratitude to
those good people who forwarded us sundry small
but acceptable tributes.