The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONB.—WIDIIIIIDAT, MAT 8.
TM Brisanzit task the chair at 12 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Lana Tax.—By Sir J. DUKE, from Ward of Farring-
den Withost, fee revision (NOM tax.
• Poo' Rants.—By Sir J. DUKE, from City of London
(3), praying for equreation of these rates.
FACTORY Bat. —By Sir C. BURRELL. from the perish
of St. Oconee's, Bolton: Mr. BROTHERTON, from Ads-
tan-snder•Lin• ; Mr. 0. BANKES, 11.3111 came place;
sgaiast the proposed alteration of this bill.
Stave TRADI.—By Sir R. INGLIS, from estate proprie-
tors and others in the island of Antigua praying that no
further encouragement be gives to the slave triale by the
admission of Cuban and Porto Rico sugars, on equal terms
with colonial, into the English market
COVIITT COVII.TO —By Mr. ARKWRIGHT, from the
same place, praying that the inhabitants might not be com-
pelled to give up their tows-hall for the purpose of holding
Sam sown.
SUGAR DUTIES.—CONFIDENCE IN MINISTERS.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR, referring to an article is the Times
of that morning, said he bad been led to understand that
the noble lord at the heed of the government intended to
nuke the proposition of the hon. but., the member for
South Ewes, a quote= of confidence or no confidence in
the government; and that the hon. members for Man-
chester and the West Riding had received a message from
Dowoing-street, requesting that they would not leave Lon.
don pending the discussion. He wished to know whether
be had been rightly informed ?
Sir G. GREY said he hardly understood the hon. mem-
beitiquestion. 11 it was whether any private message had
passed between his noble friend and the hon. members
alluded to, he could silly sty that he had heard nothing
about it, nor was his noble friend is the habit of acquaint-
ing him with the nature of his private messagee. If it were
whether the motion of the hon. member for South Essex
was to be treated as one of confidence or no confidence, it
would be time enough whin it came before the house to
state the view* of the government. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that his only object in asking
the question was that the real state of the case should be
gonorally known.
DEFALCATION IN OFFICES OF THE CASTLE OF
DUBLIN.
Mr. HUME said he had been Worsted that certain public
°faun in the Castle of Dublin had absconded, and that
their defalcations would entail considerable loss en the pub-
lic. He wished to know what were the facts of the cue.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that he supposed the hos.
member alluded to the case ef a Mr. Mathews, lite a clerk
in the thief secretary's ofilu in Dahlia Castle. The facts
were these. The Paymaster of Civil Services in Ireland
having brought under the notice of commune certain in..
gullf transactions in which Mr. Mathews had bees
is the distribution of what was called the C um
Fond, Mr. Bromley, the secretary to the Audit Board, was
deputed to inquire into the facts. He did so. and ascertained
that Mr. Mathews had been ruilty of fraud is the manage-
ment of that fund. A Treasury commission had been Issued
to investigate the whole transaction, but he was happy to add
that the whole of the default already ascertained did note:-
Ned 2W. or 301.
Mr. GROUAN asked whether there was not a second
defaulter ?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE acid that there was, bat not in
the sane department. The amount of his defalcation had
not boon ascertained.
RAILWAY PASSENGERS.
Mr. HUME gave notice that he would on this day ask
her Majesty's government, whether it was intended to bring
in a hilt to correct the law with regard to railway passengers,
in consequence of the decision and declaration of Baran
Alderson in a resent ease. (Loud cries of " hear, hear.")
IRISH FISHERIES BILL.
Mr. ANSTEY, is moving the sc:ond reacting of this bill,
stated that it had b;ea materially altered since last union.
The purport of this meson was to consoli late sor repeal
the seta previously passed, and to assign to the Board of
Works the supervision of all the fisheries on the coasts of
Mr. CONOLLY moved that the bill be read a second time
that day six mouths. Ile disapproval of the measure, as in-
terfering with private enterprise and conferring a dangerous
extent of power apes the Board of Works.
Mr. SCULLY joined in believing that individual entr-
ees.
_aided by the *swing statutes, wore amply sufficient to
develop all the capabilities of the waters for the supply
N Aso.
Lord NAAS explained that the proposed bill was in great
measure a declaratory act, merely designed to explain the
meaning and enforce the provisions of the many lord sta
tutu already existing. All the clauses cont:rring new
powers of any kind might be examined and struck out by a
select follimit've.
Colonel DU-NNE supported the bill.
Mr. NAPIER contended that the existing acts were suf-
ficient in intention, and wanted only a judicious administra-

Kr. FAGAN looked upon the bill is absolutely necessary
SO NM die Salami fishery of Ireland from speedy destruction.
Its. °ROGAN believed that seese legislition on the sub-
ject was requisite, and was serious to have the bill passed,
mended, It aterattary, by a select coalmine*.
Mr. 8. CILLIPTOILD aad Sir J. YOCNO opposed, Mr.
CEFLasaarr sad Mr. Lawtsos supported the UNISON.
Sir W. SORKILVILLE observed that throughout the
whole debate ao Wail* member had expressed • thorough
approval of the MIL As it seemed universally conceded that
Tory evervive ameadammts were required in the measure, he
thought that the best wane would be to withdraw it and
substitute a sew bill contaMine only the provisions which
were allowed to be practically beneficial. . . .

Kr. M. O'CONNELL thought if the right hon.
baronet were to advise every hon. member to withdraw every
IPA on which difference of opinion existed, they would n
have ens bill carried. He hoped the government would take
up that iyiestion.
Mr. ANSTEY said the hon. and learned gentleman, the
member for the University of Dublin, said he was not aware
that doable 'Mated with moms to the 23rd section of the act
of Vittoria. He could only say it was unfortunate the hon.
gentleman had not opened the blue bock, for there was
scarcely • page in it which did not allude to the difference-
of opinion between magietrees who With owners and judges
who were sot —The house then divi- ed.
For the second reading
Atainat it
On our reedmission to the gallery,
Col. DUNNE was observing tact he would put a question.
Would the government obstruct any measure winch was
brought in on the subj-ct ?
Mr. ANSTEY would put another, which was—would the
right hon. gentleman the Secretary for Ireland uadeetake,
that if a bill is brought forward for Inland by a private
member the 'overawe! would speak out is time ?
Sir W. bONERV I LLE, in answer to Col. Donna's ques-
tion, said ha should take the course which his public duty
demanded. The question which was last put he did not
understand.
Lord CASTLEREAGH remarked that it was manifest
all legislatioa on the subject had been put off for another
year, and be thought that was exceedingly unfortuaani.
Sir G. GREY said it was hardly fair to put the fault on
his right hos. Mend, or upon the government. Almost all
the members who spoke, spoke against the principle of the
bill, and it was only in consequence of that that the govern.
mutt took the mares it did.
EXTRA-141711AL INTERMENTS BILL.
Kr. LACY, is proposing the seemed reading of this bill,
said that in Musing it the principle had been proceeded
upon that interments should not be made the subject of
specalsion and prod`, and that as cen:radistioguished from
the government measure, the cemeteries ehould be at a
distance from 20 to 30 mi'es from town. If the govern-
ment proposition were confirmed the result would be, that
there would be • belt of cemeteries around the metropolis,
which he considered to be highly objectionable. Then, as
to the occupation of the ground by the dead, according to the
report of the Baird of Heaith (as the hon. gentleman was
understood to say), no two persons were to be buried in
the same grave, in following eat which proposition an
we of land would contain oaly 1,500 bodies ;
and thirefure if it were necessary every year to
bury 60,000 demised inhabitants of the metropolis only,
forty acres of land would bo required for the purrs* of
interment on this scale. In sateen year, therefore, the
whole capital proposed to he raised, 700,0001. would be
absorbed, and tiny would have to seek fresh burial grounds.
Why, therefore, he asked, should they not at once go far
enough removed, where they might have thousands of acres,
without interfering with any, even probable populated die
trict; again, it was proposed to take all the corpses
down the rivet from particular districts, an arrange
sent which he thought in practice would be found,
if ant impracticable, at not highly inconvenient.
The first was not temperable to the railway; because, by
the latter, each party of mourners would be isolated, It
40 or 50 corpses ware eseaveyed in one vessel, with a train
of mourners to each, the consequence would be the greatest
ensfusion. The particular spot selected by the commission
was at least • mile and a ilia ire= the river, and to the
middle of it was two miler. This would be • great incon•
sesienos to persons after going down to Erith. The surface
of the ground was so much Mikan that it would be most
Mesh to carry the bodies over it, after it was reached. It
11
wee the moat beckon piece of ground that could be found in
• day's side. The chalk was below the level, and cropped
out there. It was said there was no water without gong to
• depth of 270 feet. The opinions of Profemon Bar-
low and Amsted were siren is supp ere of that
opinion, but he thought tl.ey had not made a
sotheient examination. The seeming effect of bury-
ing there would be to destroy the water. He
propomd that railway companies should be authorised to
make places of npulture et a distance from the town on
their respective base; bet he would not take away the
rights of existing ceirsterete any more then of the clergy
men and where basis, seated reghn. Railway coMPlnt's
slight do this at present, it sanctioned by the whole of their
shareholders; hut he nuked to save them the expense of
Oelellart to pediment to • bill. lie concluded by moving
the sec ad reading at the hill.
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY, is seconding 'h• motion, said
the subject was ore fraught with so much nil niPv that the
home ought to rind !er els the plate propneed. 'the bll of
the government was tinultt with thi• u most difficulty. It
proposed only oat banal-glue is toe vicinity of the Thames.
la an immense ripstedoo, liks net of L n •oa, it was ohne
men necessary to avail themselves s.f cutlets to burial
gr' undo on different aide of tee town. To peen: any
measure, it would be see nary to 'akin the rail
way woopsehre is tt,:r aid. It was objected ill a
than, Crrapalliita on Or sot t. • ra•le in Aerials;
but the government lOU gun the commissioners power to
de the sums thiag, sod also to set as general undertakers.
thee oblostie• oleos ought to be Mel to Ike pee:onset bill

—the proposal that the poor rates alietild be saddled with
the cost of interment out of town when the pieties were We
peer to pay it thenteelyes. Tnis would be a serious burden
on some o the poor and most populous parishes. BeliavWg
both the bills to be imperfect is their present state, he would
refer them both to a select sidensittee, in the hope that •
good messier* might be produced. .
Mr. LABOUCERK add he straggly objected to the
was not
of hr 11. The question before the house
was not the report of the sanitary eninmissioners, nor the
bill of the right hon. the Huse B.cretary, which would be
mom suitably discussed when before the house, but it was
whether the propowl by the hon. gentleman should be
read a second time. That bill involved a principle so objeo
tionable that the house could not accede to it. Even if he
thought that:the report of the Board of Health was founded
on erroneous principles, and that the bid of his right hoe.
friend (Sir (1. Grey) ought not to be sanctioned by the
house, he should still object to this bill. It empowered rail-
' way companies, under the sanction of the railway commis-
sioners. to und. rtake and conduct the business hitherto con-
ducted by cemetery companies, of conveying the dead to
cemeteries sad interring them there, He moted that the
bill be reed a second time that day six months.
The house then divided—
Fir the second reading 4
Against
i it

The bill is accordingly lost.
BOROUGH GAOLS BILL.
On the motion of Mr. riven, this bill was read • second
time.
The remaining orders of the day were puttponed.
MEDICAL CHARITIES IN IRELAND.
On the motion of Col. Dooms. the (Mowing returns IMO
ordered: Returns as to the medical charities in Ireland,
county hospitals, or infirmaries, fryer hospitals, or any other.
supported wholly or in pert from county funds (in a tabula.
form.) Ssme returns for ell dispeasarier. Same for all me-
dical establishments under the petty law, union workhouse'
inclusive. And same for any other medical 'honey, how.
ever supported, sta
tingS amount
HoERIES .f grants and faultiest', etc.
H FIS
Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that he should move on Wed-
nesday next for leave to bring in a bill to am-nd the law
relating to engines used In the capture of fish on the pea
caast and the river. of Ireland. (Hear, bear.)
The house adjourned at six o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
ADVEBTISILMEN r DUllf.

Thrums on Quintlon.—Tiat it is expedient tbat the Adverdannee
Duty be repented." A
Ay SS; Noes, SOS.
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Adair, R. A. Fiirroy, llos. IL Osborne, Ralph
Berkeley. lion. 0. Y. Greene, John Penwell, Sir G. B.
lilewitt, R.'. Heyworth, Lawrteles! Pigott, Francis
Bourerle, lion. E. P.I liodgroe, W. N. PiAington, Janie.
Bright. John Hume, Joseph Sch .tedeld, William
Broadwood, Henry Iliechinr, E. J. Stanford, J. F.
Bulbetey, Sir R. Keogh, William Thonnvon, Vol.
Cobden, BicliArd Kershaw, Jame. Thomism, George
Corbett!, 11. L:. Lualtington. Charles Wawn, J. T.
Cowan. Charles Meagher, Thorne Williams, John
Crawford, W. S. blowait, !rams W) Id, James,
Duff, James; Mullings, J. R. TrI.LtItS.
Duncan, George Nugent, Lord Ewan, William
Ens, JOllll O'Connor, reargue Gilson, T. M.

THE ADVERTHIENZWE DOTT.—Mr McCulloch paired
with the O'Gorman M•bon, t• favour of Mr. IC oart's moths
for leave to bring in a bill foe the abolition of this duty.

Vie eilirefsis.

OUTGOING MAILS.
The mails for British North America and the United
States will be made up to-morrow evening.
The mails fog Lisbon, Spun, and Gibraltar will be made
an on May 17.
The Weal India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Il h,
Nassau, !JoAnne, New Orleans, stud :denim and ineludiv,g
thee', for Madeira, St. Jsan•de•Niearssua, New Granada,
Chill, and Para, will be made up on the morning of May 17.
The malls eor, Gibesher, Mate, Greece, the lonise Islands,
Egypt, Ceylon, India, and China. via Southampton, will
be made up on the morn we of May 20.
The mails rid Marseilles, to the Mediterranean, Egypt,
ylon, India, Hong-Kong, will be made up on the
suiting of May 24.
Tits mails for Msderis, the Brasile, sad Buenos Ayres, will
us Esau up on the owning of Jana 4.

WATSA AT lAINDON RAMO&
►w Mt —Kamm. 12%. /Iftersoce. 111. Net
f•-••sao.—Monift.l211.11.1 l

LONDON, THURSDAY, MAY 9.

MAT, this year, has not been confined to religious
meetings. Politicians and interests of all kinds have
congregated en the metropolis to discuss their differ-
ent grievances, and different modes of seeking relief-
We reported the language and the proposals of
the Parliamentary and Financial Reform Asso-
ciation. And there have besides bei n meetings
of chartists, eager for the Five Points,
yet declared and determined to avoid all
employ of, or recourse to, physical force in the obtain-
ing them. One and all of these meetings have been
marked by the argumentative and pacific nature of
the proceedings and resolutions. And the tory, most
panic-stricken by the events and the theories of the
continent, must have felt re-assured on perceiving how
totally stranger to every anarchic tendency were the
ideas of even ultra-liberals in this country.
For all that, England, it ssems, is not without its
socialist or red republican element. Never was it
more conspicuous than in the speeches of the agricul-
turists, who met and harangued under the patron-
age of the Duke of Rtenmiinu, at the Crown and
Acchor tavern. Their open appeal was to physical
force, their final argument was civil war, their
avowed hole was to attain, independent of
parliament, and of course of the constitution, the
re-establishment of a law which doubled the price
which their fellow countrymen would naturally pay
for their produce. When 'he French socialists, after
the revolution of 1818, declared that the state should
employ, feed, and pay the several trades, and compel
the public to pay, not such price as the market would
produce, but as the twits and the government, which
was theisspatron, should fix, they tried and decreed the
etlf-same thing that the Duke of IticiimoND and
Mr. BOOKER would try with regard to corn-growers

and corn.
The theory of compelling the rest of the community
to contribute to their profit, according to their own
standard, and of compelling them by statute, is com-
mon to the English protectionist and the Frerch so-
cialist. Not only, however, are their theories
and principles identical, but the mode by
which they would enforce their theories. This
mode is no other than mob government and physical
force. We remember, when the artizans or blouses
paraded the streets of Paris armed to the teeth; they
were asked why they assumed this attitude, and they
replied, pour fairs pour aux bourgeois, to frighten
the townsfolk to submit to taxing their capital in
order to constitute national workshops. Mr. Booxza,
Mr. CHOWLER, and Mr. BALL make their
appearance in the Strand, and use the self-same lan-
guage, except that their farms are to be the national
workshops. These agricultural ateliers they are to
work at their own discretion, and if there is not a
profit, then the state shall make up the difference.
In order to obtain this, the physical force farmers
are resolved to mount their horses, of which they
boast of having a monopoly. They evidently have
been meditating to take the field. They rely on their
forming the sole cavalry of the kingdom, and once
upon their horses they are not to stop the combination
of the peasantry, whom they avow the intention of
driving to desperation and the workhouses. No
—they are to hold their hands, let violence have
its course, and in pursuit of this plan of agricul-
tural socialism, they are " to risk all, to brave all, and
to dare all." More subversive and treasonable
language, more decided and ferocious red-republican-
ism was never uttered by B•mizs or LAGRANGE.
Of course such language and such principles were
logically carried out. One speaker was for refusing
taxes. Another, Mr. Azueurr, was for sponging off
the National Debt. And these men avowed that
what they proposed to do was to be done in conjunc-
tion with the landlords. They would take no
abatement of rent. They had formed an alliance
aith the landlord party to get relief, by
retersing the entire legislation of the last thirty
veers. They would have relief in no other way.
And they would have it, not from parliament by
reasoning or petition, but would force it from the
Crown by intimidation. Talk of DANIEL O'CONNELL
or YEARGUR O'CONNOR after this!
Had these agricultural socialists the force, the sin
verity, or the union they affect, it would indeed
be time for honest men to combine, and to form
a League of National honesty and Rights against
a League of Class Spoliation. If the townspeople,
their trading interests abed property, were really men-
aced by the farmers and their monopoly of horses,
one might cry once more "To year tents, Oh Israel."
But there is no need of alarm. The farmers' array of
cavalry will not charge the toot phalanx of the quiet
townsfolk. We will have no more Manchester mas-
sacre. They must know too well that however
the farmer may for a time el terenine to remain in the
N..nos boat with the landlord, she !shouting man has
interee's distinct from both. If communism is to be
preached bylielprotectioniete, something like it
might be preached by the classes whom they