The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-26 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY

mere sailikial suffrege. (Hear.) There were ire hills re-
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heelt weralk - the illesiturisatil
tits kmakest of the Irkk amiess. t,
Mr. MUMS soosidered the bwahs;es of parliament of
ilia garsoesuat ensitisse Ittot tt sollth not to be steppe&
kalloole of thsiltheesse of sop
teed Casesasegh, CeL Rewdoa, teed Iliad' Hamilllns
Gad Mr.-Itqaelds, troche tairEpolokear - - - - •
Sit W. SOICERVILLS said that timbal was thrums
that had bees before tie hews &snag the semseas, aid
ample opportunities bad escorted tot Its semaidetaties ask
illisemelea.
The question of delay or ao delay wee oratrovereedisast r I
IMO owiderable time interest lit. Hen ke, Mr. ,
,te: liepkr, •.,..^:,'....—.";..7.1d iri • wrist eaptansitios has
Sir G. gray, who wished the committee to pressed without
delay.
Lied J. MANNERS moved the adjournment of the 00111.
mittens foe three weeks, which amendment was pat from the
chair, aad spoken to on different tides by Col. Fez, Cil.
Douse, Mr. ilcully,and Mr. Grattan.
The house divided—
For the amendment ll5
ust it
Kr. DAVAELI said he hoped after the division which
bad takes place the Roble lord would give way. He had
aot beard • eagle observatioa In tamer to the erguments
whisk had bees urged for the postponisg of the imams.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL observed that it was elated this
II measure would be brought ea to-aight.
Mr. DISRAELI said that yowlers the 25 mesben who
I were present were asleep. (Laughter.) The noble lord
could not deny that it was the cosamoursement of the Irish
amine. He mated the noble lord would well consider this
matter. It was not agreeable to them to oppose any govern.
meet under each eireasusteness, bat to 111011 i he felt It his
duty to resist the Speaker leaving the chair.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he could hardly believe that the
hon. gentlemen who prepaid they should set go into com-
mittee were serious, because the main ground pet forward,
ands most insulleient ground he thought it for postponing
hay considerable seaman, wes that the swims were going
on is Ireland. though the noble lord who moved that they
should not potato commutes must have known that It mated
three weeks to the Cork 'seises. Suck being the ems he
thought it was • mere lames to pompons the bill
for a considerable time, and then it would be interfered
with by other m.uurn, and it would be diftieralt to get it
• d. The bill had been before the hews two smokes,
and the Irish members had had full opportunity of consider.
lag its princidal provisions. Whatever the obstruction might
be, be should consider it his duty to persist is the tours. he
had taken. (Cheers )
Mr. REYNOLDS said, as one of the members present en
Friday night, he uadentood from the hon. and learned
gentleman the samba for the university of Dublin, that he
did not intend to make any opposition to goittir into com-
mittee. But he could assure the hon. member for Bucking-
hamshire that he wee mush mistakon it he believed that 2.5
Irish members were asleep. He rather thought the hon.
gentleman himself must have bees asleep. (A laugh.)
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed that the Irish members
having pleaded in vein, it was of no use offaiog further ob-
structions.

Hr. GOULBURN most um bu protest against its being
mitilltat they were obstructing.
Lord J. RUSSELL—The observation was made in ref*.
recce to the declaration made by the hon, member (or Bucks.

The house than divided—
For goinii into committee
Against it
The house then went into en:Gasmen.
Mr. DISRAELI said the noble Iced had misrepresented
very much the course they (the opposition) had taken He
had sensed him of obstructing public business. The noble
lord must have referred to a passage in which that weed was
used, bat he did not finish the sentence. But what was the
obstruction which they had on this occasion presumed to
make ? The noble lord told them that this bill was the bill
brought in lest year, and that therefore they ought to be
fully acquainted with it ; at d that one reason why the whig
administration introduced measures without any intention of
carrying them was to give gentlemen an opp.xtunity next
year of being 'neaten of tbe subject. (Cheer.) That
showed a confidence in the durai in of a cabinet whieb a
whig ministry could alone entertain. (Cheers. The
noble lard had also been pleased to say, that he
(Mr. Disraeli) had received his instructions elsewhere, not
a very constitutional nor a very courteous mode of expression.
(Cheers.) He understood, indeed, that the noble lord in the
coons of his career had received his instructions how to con-
duct himself in parliament from many persons and from
many places ; bat the noble lord could not say for himself
(Mr. Disraeli) and for his friends that they had received in-
structions how to conduct affairs in this house by consulting
seditious clubs. (Loud cheers.) The noble lord, in a man-
ner most unworthy of him—the noble lord to
night had charged them with obstructing the
businees of that house in an unwarrantable
manner, and insinuated that they were guilty of factious be-
haviour. The noble lord was the last person from whom he
' should have expected such a charge ; the noble Ird who
brought forward a proposition in that house on which he
made the !stool an admits stration depend, the appropriation
clause, and when be had ups,t the government by means of
that factious amendment, k office, and had neither the
conscience nor the courage to carry out his measure. (Loud
cheers.) He should avid himself of every means which
the forms of the house permitted him to oppose the further
progress of this measure. He now moved that the chairman
report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The committee then divided—
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For the motion
/against it
Mr. FORBES said he should feel it his duty to move that
the chairman do now leave the chair. The bill had only
been introduced on Tinsley last, and was not read a second
time till Friday, between which day and the present it
could not he supposed there had been sufficient time for the
consideration ut the bill; nor had the government 'given
notice or their latentioa to press it forward So hastily.
He should not set consistently with his duty did be not
denounce tie tyrannical course the government wes now
persuitut, and persist in moving that the chairman do leave
the chair. (Hear, hear )
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Mr. BATESON cordially approved of the course taken.
As an Irish number, he must protest against this unusual,
he might almost say, indecent haste, in .
endeavouring to
smuggle this bill through the house. (" Oh, ob,' and
laughter.) He would not allude to its merits or demerits ;
it might be the most perfect bill that had ever emanated
from the fertile brain of an 'lrish secretary ; but the argu-
ments adduced in favour of its postponement were un-
answerable.
After a few words from Mr. HINLIT,
Mr. P. WOOD said this measure had been more or lees
before the consideration of Parliament for three years.
(Hest, hear.) It proposed to give an enlarged franchise to
that country, which partly through misfortune, and partly
through bad government, had had its aggregate of electors
reduced to about 40.000. The present museum would in-
crease them to 250,000. To be operative nest autumn, it
was necessary the bill should be puled beforo the Ist of
June; and this could scarcely be done if it were postponed
tilt the end of the Irish aseia-s. At present there was the
largest attendance of Irish members in the house perhaps
ever known-75 out of the 100.

Mr. W. MILES said, if the opposition had been directed
against the principle of the bill, his party would have taken
a division on the second reading. Not having done so, they
admitted the necessity of some alteration of the fr►nchise.
They had, at first, only asked a delay of three weeks, in
order that the Irish constituencies might have time to con
eider the bill. The government ought to have granted this
short delay. Surely they would not persist in going on
with it immediately, considering the numerous amendments
that would have to be moved. The government wou'd do
well to consider these amendments before going into com
mi:tee. This was a perfectly constitutional course ; and, if
the noble lord did not consent to the postponement, he hoped
the opponents of the measure would go on using thcae meats
which the forms of the house placed in the hands of •
minority.

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Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said there was so ins'ance of
any party having reverted to those means with e tber credit
or sunsets. As an Irish nienther, he did not think it his
first duty to attend the Irish assists ; he had given the bill
hie beet con•idtration taxi Friday, and was prepared to go
into committee.
Lord C. HAMILTON contended for the right of the con-
stituencies to 'sperm their opinion on this measure, for
which no *pp's- unit/ had been given. This had been called
a' new move." Well it might. for the °cession was a new
one: • bill was introduced on Tuesday, printed on Wednes-
day, read &mond time on Friday, and was now to go into
committee on Monday. (Hear, bear.) If anything like
the shadow of a precedent could be shown for thus pressing
so important • bill, coati:tip 152 pages and 120 clauses,
be would withdraw his op as tion. He w confident no
such precedent could be dueed. He had always thought
this house instituted tor the free and Ma tiihMliell of mea-
sures, and bad yet to learn that it was • con-
Eitutional course thus to press forward • measure, before
hon. members bad bad an opportunity of consulting their
constituents. From the animated cheers which had M-
ounded in the house he was conflleut they were no: now
in a sufficiently calm state of mind to go into commi.tee on
the bill. (Laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said the noble lord asked for a
precedent ; he should think there was nit a velumo of the
journals which did not contain prim ht.. of bills being
read • ascend time, and proceeded with in the following
week, by the house going into committee upon them. Bet
this was a bill of which the noble lord and others had had
ample opportunity of considering the main propositions. It
had boon introduced on the Ist of May, 1848. Its =An pro-
' vision was koown to be that the county (roselike,
instead of being what it was at present, should
he an 81. rating to the poor rate. That was
/ a moat important question; it attracted a good deal of
attention in Ireland; It was much dimmed in the news-
papers ; !mild& parties and societies expressed various
opinions upon It; said not only the main propeition of the
hill, bat its various clauses. underwent • great deal of di.-
cauinn. It was Introduced again in 1849: and now it
turned out that the noble lord, who had been in Ireland
both in 1848 and 1849, when this measure was the gallica of
discussion, and many parsons were saving that the franchise
I in Ireland was in no restricted a state that the government
, ought t t Ices no time Ice pressing on their bill--ell this while
the noble lord bid kept such a discreet silence that he bed I