The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-12-04 00:00:00

NORTHERN TIMES.-LIVERPOOL, THURSDAY.

and for
far six 500 on the materials in the contracter's yard,
Arebe_nionths. In reference to the memorial from the
Attu
co..ecleral Society, as to the employment of officers of
Arseeerporation on private businessee , it appeared from the
refepr,,Pgs of the committ that the case specially
tjuscan:.el3„,..the memorial Was the em. ployme.nt of Mr.
for bat and Air. Rishton on an arbitration case in Bolton,
so'aecetaY'd that they had the sanction of their committees
eh
teeOrn.,„..4_lClerrilan S. Holme moved the confirmation. of the
the trlelarations. He said--Although the proceedings oft
ItsPertatale coMmittee are voluminous and somewhat
eases •
vvitli the exception of two or three special
calls cwolch were referred to us, there is nothing which
s'iare°r any comment from me.' With regard to the
i‘kesSitess. 11,1"Que"ht egainst the ocers of the. baths by
arr and Fowler, the special committee, as you
Nth "hard," investigated all the circumstances connected
th• ease, and found that all the charges van' nhed
Niat„..'n air,
e (Hear hear ) There was no foundation
ver ior them, and the. officers of the corporation
elsis exonerated, by the report of that committee, from
Ithe received by
penny in the way of bribes. (H
ifc'earras,t,reecurnmendation in
treasurer'sthepaper has referencea to
-
standlat - Merits in the office, consequent on
° Promotions ; but that recommendation must
11,-:,er, in eccord ee with the standing orders, to
'sea counCil. Th7next recommendation is that
ofa
a Wei
"bthe e nbe passed forbidding all officers or servantssels
ateZP, °ration from engaging in any private. business
to 1,• That recommendation was passed in con
h.
:et, ,-i%a Memorial which was sent in from the Arc 1-
'3°Pietv and specially referred to the finance
itP The'have specially referred to the finance
th They have taken the subject into considera-
Oblie eh' they of opinion that it would be. tor theat
°1.401-iinent, and more consistent with . justiche
Ouse e officers should engage in any private hfisrinmeas.s
4),,s ofetre; and I have therefore, to move the con
ele Al
recommendation which I now do. .
the -"Q'clerrnan J. H. Turner' seconded the motion.
on
b.• terelfree • Is there not a standing order already
iiro,,,sses
Ito
ithat effect ?'
ettlereitt, ere No; but there has be?n..an understanding
•',,,,i'revailing for a longA period of time to that
certain There is no resolution on the books except as to
jperes in my office.
1,4t8 efe,.?l"vith: Does that resolution refer
Halle ser-
hlr' Tone corporation engaged in the Town?
i'?w,rl Clerk : Yes. .
h„gl --°K with • That is paltry in the extreme, and it
,lsgracelul to the: council if it be entered on
the
4'',o4B3la;ti,a.t a servant. in the Town Hall. cannot,
".X Ms own disposal, earn a few shillings by wianiting
--,(111) of the corporation's table.
8s gin 'lldeerr an Dover concurred with Mr. Beckwith.e
thme servants of the Town Hall the ph g
'apeeiur them by Mr. Beckwith, would be to make t ?in
Orthe-e'hle, and to cause them to continue in the service
OUoeil.
4teeli
,an
asked if the resolution prevented the wives
, ,trien from engaging in any small business?
litYor : We have nothing to do with their wives.
e",.e ter.)
tort •• nee
re seleree son also concurred with Mr. Beckwith. He
Oeiv• it would be well to prevent. those officers
"slitiN large salaries from engaging in any private
'lf 0408. but it was cruel to prevent men in. the receipt.
fY• aipi a week, from earning a few shillings more if
oes. Y could.
c'r'ltee 2h, n Stewart thought ;that the resolution was
extreme view. The object of it was .
itl"; Pe el
le dt-h-7lria rag evre "
at Cheat, to officers, but he did not_ understand that it
men earning a pound or so. He thought
atated gorge offic s of the corporation should be pre-
the4.(lgazer rivate business, and that was
t4sPoeiattitohee%nirinnifteelhPad in view when they proposed
!jhreje'litA,...lelernoa. an. Cooper asked if the resolution would
'Title, 7.1% Newlands from holding the office of consulting
grMr;‘°.„„sonse of the townships ?
Ttishaiti.ise'alt.kaorloe4ebserved that Mr. Newlands, from his
might often he of the greatest
,°e ti...servie • .ge,. city and they should
.I.' eref e acting in such a cape ,
t'ta ao• °re, cautious that they did not prohibit a man
Ole ;ring that which would be beneficial to themselves..
the rural It• Jeffer said that as a commissioner of
er,e, district of Toiteth Park, he could assure
shat iaocil that it was of the greatest importance
4°,llXtet,FT: Newlands should be permitted to continue as
,Ibfar _,engilaeer to that board. The time might
st2l4 uistant when the boundaries of the borough
icu,race-av,e tO be extended, and when it might
bpt, and or part of the rural district of Toxteth
4/I',lNesse-s"...ipt
.Was therefore of pecuniary interest to the
ehe the ei tne borough that the sewerage should be one
ste.°.is disstame throughout the entire drainage.. area of the
selaee rlct. Mr. Newlands, from his ability as borough
eir4,ltl ;lin. the only person to whom the out townshis
sh4-llieets;.e confidenc refer for guidance under the
1101 res, prevented it ould be therefore wise that he
coe he from acting in the capacity of
teas tlitlasulting engineer. (Hear, hear.) It was qurite.
list
he received no fixed salary, but he (Mr. Jeffhetye)
h,l),reils; Sorry it' the council were to go away wit h
ti\i",)4 a;on that Mr. Newlands would'receive no remuned-
h:t if ;31 all for his services. But it should be remembered
Ole ea bounds of the borough were extended itiowourod.
aftY of the council to augment his salary p
t -"es `1,,,.° his increased services consequent on increased
°ea°. (rehoped that- Mr. Holme would have no objection.
teereee to Mr. Beckwith's. suggestion, and refer the
t kack to the committee.
aldertnan Holme replied that he had no objection
the
se reeoullrse.
ett'ruteettltTnendation was accordingly referred back to
1450''iliekplocir,rOan, S. Holme : The next subject is
lee„.-o itance, and one. which was referred sometime
It is with reference to. the
tea ?as pullance committee.
*'3t °, Salt to Mr. Mansfield, our stipendiary
le'jleelitpatee; salary
this question it become urgent for
.mde
sf e I t•
he attention of the council. forsa short peri.o
se,tbe Jive the reasons which have induced a moaojorthittys
lit,e'4%lollllelittee to recommend this, increase.
Ap'lll4e big ery much regret the absence of Mr. Hornby,
pts°olvit :rat weight and influence would have great
Ivo! sed tl4lea council,l and because I know that thist
elincern se of sa ary to Mr. Mansfield would meet
ill l'Yrne Prence.
r. Ate -C • No, no. (Hear, hear.)
triati riatiS. Holme: I had it from himself. (Hear,
4 4t tle will state to the council, before I proceed further,
in
eroesoluyon was not unanimously agreed to the
tI pos .Inroittee—(hear, hear)—and although it is
lble—and I anticipate that there wfill be—seme
eT the council on this subject, yet . satisfied
col'll4l and dispassionate consideration of all the_
th`sxts orectea with the case will carry conviction to the
selae'et°„any, and will, I hope, tempt them to increase
„- Reet'd °I Mr. Mansfield, as not only an act o. justice to
tsaci• l.ZPatt hims lf but as an act of justice to this
alit7tire" „741:_c) recommendede him for the. appointment to the
ile'lepab.;'. I hold it to be an inviolable principle, that
f°r,stesi; no offices should be filled by men of high talent
tPduties'agegrity—that they should be fully competent
eept, they are called on to perform, and that t ieeri.
sl„ee -es Quid be in pro ortion to the duties to be p
ker,lae well as to the P
previous education and trainingf
bfh,e,,t 'd-eetviduals
t rot' skill is particularly when a high degree. o
I have no intention
15114
ar
la'
see. r cl-tuations turned into refuges
111 e °ale. seeing public the lowest estimate
14 iEtt etents nor would I accept
dsinnally,
we are frequently iu the habit of mistak-
g' and I utterly repudiate, as untenable and un
orie°,lt.eeese:tnroen saying, which we so often hear, " oh, if
elvi ire vacant to-morrow you could find a number
ea lcie:al,swho would take it for less money." 1 know
'sr be lttear, hear.) I know that plenty of men
41°11.talieuild who would accept the office of surveyor
teNisle a year, and would be dear at the
ivtia ‘'eeate hear.) I know there are also plenty
k for
pnlleenrtyof
(it yeivaatild Undertake the duties of the town
46,1% h, r. and they would be stilhldea, is to engage menrer at the price.
it
lielr•) True economy, I submit,
thnlehbl'eat ability, and to make.
_their_ salariesem fully
01711. "'trate with the duties which
permit
tec,lo RlC,llear, hear.) Perhaps the council willyou demand nd from
appoint-
ttletef 'lice for a few minutes, at the original
tleett'PrtstPendiary magistrate. Many will remember
41s' all .....°lls to the passing of the Municipal Reform
kl At the
Magisterial duties of the town were done by
ttle,:teenir arid the magistrates of.r
.that day, who were
llee'lleet,;vho had passed the chat , but, at that time the
18%'. it.'t duties were not one-fifth of what they are
4"allitijr• Hall was appointed the first stipendiary
Gas in Liverpool, with a salary of 4'1,000 a
was found that the dock busi-
:l 4,41411rie afterwards it year.
nestevecome so increased, that. it would be better that.
14111 be" be transacted along with tho ordinary maps-
lielpsroS4iness of the day, and the result was, that it was
elle4felFted with the other magisterial busiwnehseso,
Mr.and
0 year.
igtel, Ise," salary raised to £. 1,3
1111-`lten made chief magistrate of Bow-street, Mr.
411elloahwias appointed at a salary of £1,300 pr annum,
h• 44 h.-, which had been previously paid to Mr. Hall,
leh '4
kti 6..,eeease, a special committee was appointed, of
/N. °LIS the honour to be chairman, to consider the
Lts Zaißeelsel:iects connected with the administration and
'" f ant of the details of our Police Courts, and also
it let 4 suitable person to recommend to Government
1,441, estl'at e!°3l3ortant situation of s i.penodsisatoroy maaagitsotratthee.
of'4ll3e there was a long disco.
to their contem-
-11,410 BalarY which should be g
aufhagietrate. Some thought thative £lOOO a year was
!VIA that to begirt with. Others, on the other hand,
y reasonable
171:1Q11sraiat '1,200 a year would be
'''le.'ler-e.."" for the increased duties which
Ch'ed, and one gentleman, if 1 recollect rightly,
origi-
had then to
baby
bee -at the sum of £1,300 a year, which had _
14t11144absellgtaid to Mr. Ruston, whose salary, by the hY
"t'.t to eently been raised to should be the
stated Paid to the contemplated stipenoiary.. Butl
P 4 4Me in the committee, at the time, of which
I:fellatt,Ppo-islittdel,istvvinct recollection,. that, as the gentleman
tka thetia tn as an untried man, it would be wiser to
le,:efa,t% it hes' ine council to give him £l,OOO, on the
Rio lea Performed the duties of the office to the
masts, to "1 the public, it would be easy, at a future
4;5441.110 .11draattiosen it to
.the (Hear, hear.) That
recommended to the
prevailed, and
1Q441 111.3sve`ie at the first app intment, £l,OOO a year,
t 0 g was of opinion that it would have been
tittles t 'e *1,200 a year, looking at the nature of
torsi 4 1°141:, be performed, and looking also at the
Brent ilneeary in a Stipendiary magistra.te
sewn likess this. Let me now contrast the

THE

salary and duties of the stipendiary magistrate of Liver-
pool with those of the same officers of two or threeother
places. By a recent act of Parliament, the salaries of the
Metropolitan magistrates were raised from
in £minl,ood
0
to £1,200 a year; but we must bear
that each police office in the metropolis has
two magistrates, and that those gentlemen sit
alternately; and, although it may be said that they sit
from an early hour in the morning to a late hour in the
evening, it does happen that during the middle of the day,
those gentlemen are for a long period unemployed, and that,
by a convenient arrangement between the two stipendiaries
of each office, instead of sitting on alternate days, when it
suits their convenience, they sit alternate week's or fort-
night's. and occasionally a magistrate is absent six weeks
at a time, the other magistrate doing all the business. I will
now quote from the return obtained by Lord Goderich of the
average number of cases disposed of by each stipendiary
magistrate within the year. In London each magistrate
disposes of 3,800 cases annually. I next take the City of
Manchester. There the stipendiary has £l,OOO a year,
but the number of cases upon which he adjudicated during
the last year amounted to 18,095. Salford, which is, in
fact, a component part of Manchester, pays its stipendiary
£B4O a year, and the number of cases which he disposed
of in the same time was 6A,307. Wolverhampton, with
4,587 cases, pays its stipendiary £l,OOO a year. Hell,
with 7,420 case=, pays 't4oo Staff ird, with 7,228
pays its stipendiary £BOO a year. Brighton, with 730
cases, pays £BOO a year; and Worcester, whose moral
character seems to stand high, with 457 cases, pays £3OO.
From this it will be seen that the cases disposed of by
Mr. Mansfield is only about 1,500 less than the total
number of Manchester and Salford, though the joint
salaries of their two magistrates amount to £lB4O per
annum. (Hear, hear.) I next contrast this with other
legal appointments. I will take the County Court
Judges. Their salaries generally speaking are £1,500 a
year. The Bankruptcy Commissioners again have £l,BOO
a year, and though the aovernrnent are not generally
considered very liberal in granting high salaries, yet these
Government servants have, after a certain number of
years, the right to a retiring pension which it is incom-
petent for this council to grant to its stipendiary. Now
we have four or five years' experience of Mr. Mansfield,
and we can testify to the clearness of his views and to the
soundness of his judgment. (Hear, hear.) Who hears of
any appeals from his decisions? Who expresses dissatis-
faction at his judgments? This, I think, is a convincing
proof of the accuracy of his views, and of the ability with
which he discharges the duties of his position. (Hear,
hear.) There are questions of great intricacy which are
constantly arising under acts of Parliament which
are unknown in other localities. There is the emigration
and passenger act ; there are the mercantile marine
acts. We have also a number of local acts which
impose an amount of business on the stipendiary
magistrate of this town, and upon the other magis-
trates, which is absolutely unknown in any other
town in England. There are informations laid under
the various sections of those acts which require the
very nicest discrimination, and involve questions of
great commercial importance. In these cases, great
research is required. Judgment frequently cannot be
given at the moment in them, after hearing the evidence,
and all testify to the invariable correctness, and to the
dignity and skill with which Mr. Mansfield performs the
various duties of his high position. (Hear, hear.) He is
an elegant scholar and an accomplished lawyer, and I do
not think £1,200 a year is at all too high a salary for
these qualifications. (Hear, hear.) I will take the cases
that Mr. Mansfield has to adjudicate upon in the year. I
take last year's cases, and contrast them with the number
of cases disposed of by the stipendiary magistrates in
other towns. In Liverpool, last year, Mr. Mansfield
disposed of 24,907 cases, and received a salary of £l,OOO.
I could show, also, the great increase of business that
has taken place in the police courts, by showing the
increase in fees and fines that have been pail. In 1838,
under Mr. gall, who had .4'1,300 a year, the fees were
£1,712 7s 3d, and the fines imposed were 4'2,064 7s 41,
making a total of £3,776 14s 7d. Last year, the fees in our
police courts were .e 5137 6s 8d ; the total fines levied
amounted to £4.622 is 81, making a total of £9,759 in
1855, against £3.776 in 1838, when the stipendiary magis.
trate received £3OO more thau the present gentleman. In
all the Metropolitan courts, including the court of the Lord
Mayor, the total fees and fines in the last year amounted
to £11,315, very little more than was levied in the port of
Liverpool; and looking, therefore, at the enormous
duties performed by Mr. Mansfield, the majority of the
finance committee looking at the remuneration he receives,
as compared with other places. ask this council to do an
act of strict justice by adding £2OO to the salary of Mr.
Mansfield. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Holme then moved a
resolution to that effect.
Mr. Alderman J. H. Turner seconded the motion.
Mr. Alderman Parker, as a member of the finance com-
mittee, opposed it, and moved as an amendment that that
portion of the proceedings having reference to the increase
of Mr. Mansfield's salary be not confirmed. He contended
that three-fourths of the cases which came before the
Liverpool Police Court, required no legal knowledge to
dispose of, and that £l,OOO a year was sufficient
remuneration for the stipendiary magistrate, seeing
the duties he had to perform. If, however, he was
overworked, the evil would be remedied by tile
appointment of active lay magistrates, who would dis
charge their share of the work. (Hear, hear.)
no less thon 40 magistrates in the commission of the peat
for the borough, but not one half of them attended to the
duties of the office. There lay the evil, and that could not
be remedied by increasing the salary of Mr. Mansfield.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Hodson seconded the amendment. lie was aware
that the administration of justice was one of the most
important matters that could come before a deliberative
assembly, but he should say that Mr Holme had delivered
on it one of those, delusive speeches, which were simply
calculated to c itch the ears of his hearers.
Mr. W. Earle: Speak up, sir; your observations are
important, and we want to hear them. (Laughter.)
Mr. Hodson continued : Mr. Holme had told them that
the work Mr. Mansfi had to perform, was much greater
than any other stipendiary magistrate in England, but, in
looking over the ;number of cases that came before Mr.
Mansfield, there was a remarkable feature, and that was,
that of the whole number (13,000), were 5s cases. Now,
he did not think that these cases required the great
ability dwelt on by Mr. Holme--(hear, hear,)—and if Mr.
Mansfield were over-worked, the giving him £2OO or
£3OO more would not lessen his duties. (Hear, hear.)
The question which the council should consider was,
whether it would not be better to have two courts and
two stipendiary magistrates. (Hear, hear.) His opinion
was that that was what was required, and what would
remedy all the evils now complained of. As for the
honorary magistrates they knew that gentlemen accepted
the honour of a seat on the bench but neglected its
duties—(hear, hear)—and though their number should
be ever so largely increased, there would still be the
want of a second court with a paid magistrate. Great
stress had been laid by Mr. Holme on the amount of
work which Mr. Mansfield had to do. He (Mr. Hodson)
was not going to say a word against Mr. Mansfield.
because he believed him to be a learned and accomplished
gentleman—(hear, hear)—but an accomplished gentleman
was not exactly the qualification necessary for a stipen-
diary magistrate. He was told, too, that Mr. Mansfield
was to be daily seen walking down from the Athenm am,
at eleven o'clock in the morning, and if that were so,
his duties could not be so very onerous, the more espe-
cially as he rose at two o'clock. He should like,
however, that a special committee were appointed
to consider the whole subject, and report to
the council whether it would not be more
prudent to appoint a second stipendiary magistrate
than to increase the salary of Mr. Mans6e'd. ([sear,
hear.) Besides, in the committee the division was only
eight to five, and six of the majority were magistrates,
and even Mr. Earle, who formed ore of them, merely
walked in when the division was about to be taken, voted.
and walked out again. (Laughter.) On these groands he
(Mr. Hodson) opposed the motion, and supported Mr.
Alderman Parker's amendment.
Mr. Clint supported the amendment, and relied on much
the same objections to the resolution.
Mr. William Earle supported the re ()intim, and
explained that, had he not been at the time engaged in the
Police Court, he would have earlier attended the finance
committee, on the day of the division. He was well aware,
however, of the nature and extent of Mr. Mansfield's duties,
and had long believed that he was underpaid.
Mr. J. A. Tobin also supported the motion.
Mr. Alderman Dover thought that it had been agreed
that economy was to be the order of the day, and that, in
fact, they were " to put their house in order ;"—(laughter)
—but, ha would ask, were they putting it in order by in-
creasing salaries from day to day ? They wete doing
nothing of the kind. (Hear, hear.) He did not go the
length of Mr. Robertson Gladstone, when he told them that
part of their estate was now in periculo. He (fir. Dover)
believed no such thing. He believed no such injustice
would be done to them ; but, he would ask them as indivi-
duals, whether, if the title to two-thirds of their pro-
perty was disputed in a court of law, they would increase
the salaries of their servants. (Hear, and cheers.) As
they would do in their private capacity, so should they do
in their public capacity. (Hear, bear.) They had beard
much of Mr. Mantfi ld's ability, which he did not deny,
but he was t )1d that £lOOO a year was not the only
income he derived from his position of stipendiary. If
that were so, let them at once know it. (Hear, heir.)
Was it not a fact that he derived, as the stipendiary
magistrateA l
d e
ro
mf
anHolme
Liverpool,
: I will a rewveniulo
Mr. eebleyybony.atid
dthe.b£y.l 000 ?
Mr. Dover would take it then that " silence gave con-
sent." (Hear, hear, and laughter.) They had hard
much of Mr. Mansfield's ability and legal knowledge, h,t,
it should not be forgotten that they had also two magis-
trates' clerks, of long standing and considerable legal
knowledge, who were quite competent to guide the unpaid
magistrates (he did rot know why they were cslled " lay"
magistrates; it was a m st improper term)—(laughter)—
in the most difficult points of legal technicalities- He
should like, if it were permitted him, to give the natural
history of the Mansfield affair in the committee.
Mr. Aid. Holme : I trust Mr. Dover will conceal nothing
_if he does, I will state it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman Dover continued : He would make a clean
breast of it, then. (Laughter.) The natural history of the

Mansfield affair in the committee was a most amusing
one, and it would show them by what various motives, at
various times, different men were actuated. Before
the month of November it was scarcely beard of,
bat they were told that it would be brought
up at the next meeting, and so on. He (Mr.
Dover) resolved that he would have it tested, and
gave notice, through the Town Clerk, that he wou d move
in the matter at the nest meeting of the committee. What
was the result ? Scarcely anybody came at all—(laughter)
—and of course a thin committee could not then take un a
matter of such importance. Now, it happened that in the
finance committee the great majority were aldermen, and
they therefore had no constituencies to be responsible to.
( Hear, hear, and laughter.) But as gentlemen, and men of
honour, very often paid gamb'ing debts when they would
not pay legal debts, they (the finance committee), having no
coestitutents, should be compelled, nevertheless, by a sense
of honour, to vote on the side of economy. (Laughter )
The comparison between Mr. Rushton and Mr.
Mansfield he thought very unfortunate. Mr. Rushton
11,.d 1 ,ng been actively engaged in public matters,
acid he else discharged much of the duties of the
unpaid magistrates. He was told that now there was a
..Treat dearth of unpaid magistrates, and that the messengers
of he police courts had daily to run from post to pillar to
find cue. That was a scandal, but to remedy it he would
recommend that a placard be kept ready printed, and every
m•wiring placed on the exchange flags, with the announce-
ment, " A Magistrate wanted." (Laughter.) It might
have a good effect, and would save the legs of the messen_
pis. In conclusion, Mr. Dover argued that as Mr. Mans-
field was an unmarried man, he had not the same responsi
bilities as other gentlemen, and should not, therefore, receive
sollarge a salary as a " father family." (Great Laughter )
Mr. Fernihough also opposed the recommendation.

Mr. Alderman S Holme replied : He said he wished he
could say he had to reply to any sound and cogent argu—
ments, but he had listened in vain for anything of such a
character, as there was nothing said which it was not in
his power at once to contradict. Mr. Hodson had charged
Mr. Mansfield win being frequently absent. In this Mr.
Hodson was incorrect. Mr. Mansfield had been occasionally
absent, but not longer or more frequently than the usual
period allowed to public servants for that recreation which
every man revired—and there was no man Wm was a
greater adv,,c.ite for such relaxation than his friend Mr.
Hodson. Mr. Hodson had spoken of the necessity cf having
another stipendiary:magistrate appointed, but be had quite
forgotten that it was absolutely necessary for the adminis-
tration of justice in that town, that certain cases should be
beard by parties having a local knowledge—and he would
ask whether Ity magistrates of the towo, such men as Mr.
Earle, Mr. Stewart, and many others, were not better
qualified to decide such cases by their knowledge of loci
lities, than any barrister whom they could appoint ?
(Hear, hear.) Mr. Dover spoke of the division in the
finance committee, and of six magistrates being present. In
this instance, Mr. Dover, who was usually great in figures,
as well as figures of speech, was somewhat incorrect.
There were four or five magistrates present, alai who
were so competent to judge of the ability of Mr. Mans_
field, and the amount of services he rendered, rs the magis.
trates who sat with him, and were witnesses of, and some_
times sharers in his decisions? (Hear, hear.) Mr. Clint
in referring to the services performed by County Court
judg, s, stated that, these gentlemen had to take papers
home to consider their judgements—so did Mr. Mansfield.
There were numbers of questions coming before him involv—
ing very nice legal questions connected with Acts of Parlia
meet, which in many instances, only applied to that com-
mercial port, and di i nit prevail in other places; and, in
these cases, Mr. Mansfield was frequently compelled to
take papers home, and to prepare judgments of great public
importance. M .raover, when Mr. Clint compared the
services of County Court' judges, it must be rep.ied that if
County Court judges had more work, they were better paid
—as they received .£1,500 a year, while Mr. Mansfield had
only £l,OOO.

Mr. Clint: Many of them have only £1,200.
Mr. Hulme said, Mr. Bennett was the next who came.
Be (Hr. B.olme) really did not i item to cmpy the
time of the council by saying more of Mr. Bennett ;
because, a`ter all the eloqient prophecies they had
had from him upon the water question, he should
have expected something more logical, and therefore he
should pass Mr, Bennett over. Mr. Dover, while he talked
of economy, also talked of appointing a second stipendiary
magistrate. It would be a very singular sort of economy
to have two stipendiary magistrates, and pay £2,000 a year,
while they could have the business done by one magistrate
for £1,200.
Mr. Dover : I did not say one word about the amount.
Mr. Hulme sail Mr. Dever also demanded to know
whether £l,OOO was the only remuneration Mr. Mansfield
had. In answer to that, he should say that the Government
did occasionally institute enquires, in casts of the loss of
Captain ictiomberg, their agent,

r of life, and direct

ith Mr. Mansfiki

ment, however, dealt in such a very illiberal scale with the
stipendiary magistrate, that the amount he received for
these services was not nearly so much as Mr. Mansfield
himself dropped into the poor-boxes of the town. (Hear,
hear.) There was a tacit understanding on the part of .he
committee, at the timo of Mr. Mansfield's appoint-
ment. and he challenged denial to this, that
£1,200 a year was the amount which ought to be given
to the stipendiary magistrate, but that it was fixed at
£l,OOO a year, on the ground that it could be increased when
the council had tested the services of the gentleman.
Therefore, he (Mr. HoluP) cantended that what he
advocated was but an act of justice, which he felt bound by
a sense of honour to support. Allusion had been made to
the amount of business performed by the late Mr, Rushton.
It is true that Mr. Rushton, ont of his good nature, took
upon himself a large amount of tha magis erial business.
N) man could pay a higher tribute than he could to the
services ird the ability of Mr. Rushton ; but that gentle-
man did so much business that he absolutely found it
recessary to keep suitors waiting a very long time, becatve
re had or ly ore head and one voice, and, therefore, there
were great complaints of suitors being kept there, the result
of which was a recommendation from the magistrates that
there should be two courts. One of the arguments in Mr.
Dover's very amusing speech amoun'e Ito this—if it were
worth anything—that if Mr. Mansfield should happen to
msrry, and to have a d zen cliildrei, the council shculd
give him an inc ease of family. (Oh, oh, and laughter.)
he meant an increase of salary every time Mts. Mansfield
happens d to be in an interesting situation. (Laughter.)
tying replied to several other argumen's, 'sir. Holme
con3lnded by proposing that the recommendation be
adopted.
The council then divided upon the amendment, when
there appeared :
For the amendment.—Councillors : Messrs. Daniel
Crosthwaite, John Johnson Stitt, Archibald C. Stewart.
Roger Haydock, Thomas Godfrey, James Tyrer, Joseph G.
Livingston, Harmond Banner, John C. Fernihough, John
Gladstone, jun., Walter P. Jeffreys, Thomas Wagstaff,
John Lawrence, Alexander Shand, Thomas Fleming, John
Abraham Tinne, James Johnsor, James It. Jeffery, T.
Llexelyn Hodson, James Mellor, Richard M. Beckwith,
Francis A. Clint, Bernard Hall, Hilton H ahead, William
EL Anthony. Aldermen : Messrs. William Bennett,
William Preston, Thomas Bald, George H. Harsfall,
Thomas Dover, James Parker, J iseph Caoper, Richard C
Gardner, Thomas Toulmin —34.
Against the amendment.—Coaccilliars: M,ssrs Richard
Sheil, John Woodruff, John It. Nl`Oliffie, Oliver Holden,
Thomas Littledale, Charles Turner, James Steains, John B.
Braneker, James A. Tobin, Wm. Earle, John Aikin, John
Stewart, John Farnworth. Aldermen : Messrs. Thomas
Chilton, Thomas Robinson, J. Hayward Turner, J.
Bramley-Moore, M.P., Raymond W. Houghton, Samuel
Holme, and the Mayor.-20.
The remainder of the finance committee's proceedings
were confirmed.

WATCH COMMITTEE

Mr. Brancker moved the confirmation of the procee3ings
of the watch committee, which was carried without any
discussion.

DOCK COMMITTEE

The proceedings of this committee were read.
Mr. Aldeman llolme called attention to the fact that the
council was so thinning down, that if one more member went
away there would not be the requisite number.
Mr. Earle : It is owing to your good sherry and madeira
in the next room. Mr. Mayor—(laughter)—l hope the
press will take notice of it, to show how eager members are
to run after the bottle and neglect their business. (Hear,
hear, and laughter.)
The general proceeding having been oonfirmed,
The Mayor apprised the council that he resigned his seat
on the dock committee in consequence of his elevation to
the high post which be then occupied.
Mr. Charles Turner : I am sure, sir, I express the
unanimous opinion of the dock committee when I state how
very much we regret the loss of your valuable services.
(Hear, hear.) But, inasmuch as your acceptance of a much
higher post has made you deem it necessary to resign your
seat in the dock committee, it has become my duty to
propose a gentleman to succeed you in the office, and I beg
therefore to propose that Mr. Thomas Chilton be appointed

your successor.
Mr. John Gladstone seconded the motion, which was
unanimously adopted.

IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.
Mr. Alderman Bennett moved that the proceedings of this
committee, which did not contain anything of public im•
portance, be confirmed.
Mr. Earle seconded the motion, which was carried with.
out discussion.

COURTS OF LAW Alin ST• GEOEPE'S HALL COMMITTEE

M r. Alderman J. IL Turner moved that the proceedings
be confirmed. He said, as reports had appeared in the
papers to the effect that the organ performances were falling

eff in attendance, it would be satisfactory for the Council
to know that from the Ist of October up to the present time,
14,420 persons had attended them. With respect to the
charge for the hall, he had observed that Mr. Parker gave
notice of a motion. The committee had no objection
whatever—in fact they were very desirous—that the charge
f r the use of the hall should be reconsid red and remodelled.
He, therefore, suggested that the motion of Mr. Parker
should he withdrawn, and that the council should give the
committee power to take the whole question into their
co -,sideration, and report to the council what alterations
they c rnsidered advisable. The only object of the committee
vtaa to have the hall opened for the benefit of the inhabitants
of the town, on as moderate a scale as possible. There was
one consideration, however, which they ought to keep in
tie V. They ought not to reduce the charge so much as to
interfere with private property, such as the Music Halls in
Bold street and Clay ton Square, and other places, whose
nroprietors might, very reasonably, turn round and say it
was very hard that the council should charge so low an
amount at to render it impossible for them to let their halls.
(Het,r, hear )
Mr. A. C. Stewart urged upon the council the conside-
ration of a memorial which was read from the committee
of ti,e Hismoo tpathic Thsper.sary, praying for the gratuitous
use of the hall, in order to give a concert in aid of the
fa nrls of that institution, and to which the committee had
declined to accede. lie contended that the inestimable
benefits conferred by the dispensary on the peer of the
town, entitled it to be dealt with on a focting different from
a were money speculation.
Mr. Turner said the committee had no power to grant
the use of the hall gratuitously to ani body, and, if they did
so, it would open the door to similar requests from all other
institutions of the town. The committee, however, would
be ready to consider the question, if the council gave them
power. _ . . _

Mr. Alderman Pirker askel leave to bring forward, at
that stage of the proceeding 4, his motion, which was as
follows : —That it be an instruction to St. G.orge's Hall
Committee, to reduce the charge for the great hall from
twenty-five guineas to twenty pounds per night ; and for
the concert room, from thirty guineas to twenty five
pounds per night, including gls, giving the committee a
discretionary power to make such arrangements for a series
of concert•, exceeding two, at such a reduced, price as they
shall think proper.
The Council having agreed to take the motion at that
stage, _ -

Mr. Parker procePed to propese it. He said Mr.
Turner had in a great measure anticipated his motion, but
he thou Oat it would lyitre Euit the committee to have a
maximum absolutely fix id. The am-unt which he sug-
gested as a maximum for the large hall was quite as much
as it would possibly pay. The small concert room was at
present li•erally, if he might use the expression, a sealed
book. It was like a babyhouse, kept for show and exhibited
week by week to Vie public; and, although completed
unwards of twelve mo: the, there had been but one con-
cert given in it. Such a room ought not to be sealel up
by such a price. The committee had had frequent anpli-
cati..us from London and other places, but the sxorhitant
price prevented any one from having a c ncert there. Tne
gre 1t hall, he contended, should be opene I to the public
on the lowest terms possible, for concerts and for meetings.
He had watched the hall very closely for twelve months,
and had attended mere there, perhaps, than any other
member, and he was s itisfiei that the extravagant price of
the hall excluded many persons who would be glad to give
concerts there. As a building belonging to the buroesses
of Liverpool, he contended that the hell should not be
dealt with as a private speculation.
Mr. bison had much pleasure in seconding the resole.
tion.

M. John S ewart did notsee why the committee should
he limited, as the motion prop ssed to do. It would
bs quite time to limit them if they fixed the max:-
mum too high. He quite agreed that for certain
purposes the charge for the hell should be re
doted. It was very well known that a gentleman lately
took up, in a very spirited manner, project of ghing
cheap concerts every Saturday evening, and he believed it
was found by that gentleman, that he could not, with a
fair return to himself, ply the price the council had fixed.
(gear, tear.) lie therefore thought it was a fair subject
for the committee to consider, whether, when a person took
up an object which the c mull desired to encourage, they
should have the power of making sme modification in
the price of the hall, as would enable parties fairiy to carry
out the object they had in view with a seasonable profit,
provided it w !ts conducted in a manner the council approved
of. lie regretted indeed that the Saturday evening con-
certs which Mr. Remolds took up were not continued,
and that that gentleman was linable, owing to the large
charges for the ball, to carry them on. lie suggest d that
Mr. Parker's object would be attained by referring the
subject to the commit,e,, admitting the necessity for
vision of the charges, without fixing any limit. (gear,

Mr, Ferrao.igh stivesied, that where an object was
purely ch r:tahle, the committee might be f afisfiPd by
baring the expenses covered, brit on the other hand, the
c'immittee should take care not to come into injurious
competition with parties who had invested their money in
other places. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Shell urged that the principal object the committee
should keep in view was the benefit of the public, whose
trustees they were, not merely as regarded the money to be
gained from the hall, but es regarded the still greater
advantages to be derived by placin z the hall open •fur public
enjo meet, on such terms as would enable all classes to
enj )y it. _ _

Tinnily, Mr. Parker consented to withdraw his motion,
on the understanding that the committeee would consider
the alterations necessary, and report to the council. The
memo!ial of the Homce )pathic Dispensary was also referred
to the committee.

The proceedings were then confirmed.
The proceedings of the markets and education committee
were also confirmed.

a 101, AND HOUSE OF CORRECTIJN COMMITTEE

The proceedings comprised the following :
Recommendation to authorise the payment of an annual
sum not exceeding .£2O towards the expense of a choir for
the chapel at the new gaol. Recommendation to accept
the following tenders for articles required for the gaol
for the ensuing year:
Messrs. Etches, Wilson and Hall, butchers' meat at 46s
7d per cwt; ditto, officers' meat at 6d Tyr lb. Mr.
Herbert Salt, brown bread at IZ-d per lb ; ditto, white
bread at 21 per lb ; ditto, oatmeal at 333 p^r 240 lbs. Mr.
J Johnson, milk at is 2d per gallon. Mr. Milner, grey
cloth at 3s 10d per yard ; ditto, blankets at lls 6i per
pair ; ditto, rugs at 63 each. Mr. John Davies, officers'
uniform c'othing at 553 61 per suit; ditto, officers' grgat
coats at 48s each ; ditto, offi-ers' c ips at. 24 3d each.
Mr. Hohne moved that the recommendation, with
regard to the the choir of the chapel, be confirmed.
Mr. Hodson asked: What was the necessity of a choir?
He nought the prisoners might, themselvvs,'form a choir.
Mr. Banner said, the musical performances had a great
ff :ct upon the inmates. The prisoners change Iso fre-
quently, that they could rot themselves form a choir.
Mr. J. R. Jeffery objected to the recommendation. He
Oceight it would be giving comforts within the gaol walls to
pa• ties, which they were not sent there to enjoy. (Hear,
hear.) Many chapels
with their min music. It was monstrous to use the money
of the ratepayers for any such purpose. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. J. H. Turner said : ben the parish clocks were
allowed to stand motionless a whole sear, it was rather
hard to spend the public money for the gratification of
prism ere. (Hear, hear.) He thought they should be
steisfied wi h having the services of ;be Church, reverently
and decent' y performed, as he was sure they were. (Hear,
hear.) •
Mr. Eirle asked, if Mr. Banner would instance any case
in which prisoners had been much benefitted by this
music?

Mr. Banner : I qtio4e the chaplain's report.
Mr. Earle: Igoby no chaplain. I want a little corn-
mon sense in the matter. ()Near, hear.) I cannot see
what moral good this has dons. lam blind to it.
Mr. Alderman Dover supported the motion.

Mr Earle : Economy. (Laughter )
Mr. Dover said he would give £2O for such a purpose,
but he would not throw away £2OO, and be contended that
that was economy. He urged that there was a softening
effect in music which prepared the prisoners to receive
religious instruction.

hir. Alderman Parker also supported the motion

• •
Mr. A. C. Stewart opposed the motion, and urged that
prisoners were being made so comfortable that they might
be said to offer a premium upon crime.
Mr. Aikin supported the motion, and contended that the
treatment of criminals should not be such as to deprive
them of the full enjoyment of those sacred rites of divine
worship, which might tend to purify and reclaim them.
Mr. Steains supported the motion, on the ground that
the main object of punishing crime was that the criminal
might be reformed, which could be effected by no way CO
sure as by leading him to a place of worship.
Mr. Stitt denied that the great end of punishment was
the reform of the criminal. That might be one end of
punishment; but it appeared to him that the main end was
the vindication of a broken law. (Hear, hear.) He
agreed with those gentlemen who held that a great
danger in the present day, and one which oughct to be
watched with jealousy by the legislature and by all public
holies was the danger of making prisons places of comfort,
where the sevuity of punishme' t might be obliterated.
(Hear, hear.) As regarded the £2O for the gaol elvir, he
did not wish to throw any obstacles whatever in the way
of the comfort of those who engaged in the religious
services, but he drew a wide distinction between music and
religion. (Hear, and cheers.) It had not been proved to
his satisfaction that the religious improvement of those

who assembled within the gaol could be in any way pro=
moted by that grant, and he Eh iuld therefore oppose it.
Mr. Tinne els) opposed the grant.
Mr. Alderman Bennett supported it. He raid he did not
care what the punishment of the criminals was—let them
be made to cat the coarsest bread, or even to drink
Rivington water—(laughter)—but let religion be made as
palatable to them as possible.
Mr. Sheil opposed the grant. He objected to being
indulgent to criminals, and severe to the poor. There was
no such gratification offered at the public eapen>e within
the walls of a workhouse, and he objected to their giving
to crime what they denied to p iverty, (Hear, h,
Mr. Tyrer suppott-d the grant.
Finally, M-. Jeffery proposed as an amendment, that
the grant be not confirmed.

Mr. H )ltne having replied. the council divided upon the
amendment, when there appeared—
For the motion—Councillors Crosthwaite. Tyrer, Living-
ston, S e ins, Banner, J. G udstone, jun , W. P. J-ffreys,
Welts aff, Lawrence, Fleming. Brancksr. Tubin_ Aikin .1.

S ecvarc, Farnwofth, Halhcar; Aldermen Chilton, B-nnett,
Bold. Dover, Raker, Cover, Gardner, Hough'on, Ii ]me,
and the May( r —26

Agaiast the motion—Councillors Stitt, A C. Stew trt,
Shell, Ilaydock, Nicholson, Fernihough, Tinn,, Earle,
Johns .n, J. R. !effery, Hodson, 11.11lor, Beckwith, Clint,
Hall, Anth )ny ; Alderman Turner-17.
The grant was, therefore, ca-risd.
The remaining proceedings were confirmed.
Tho to mit hall establishment committee's pr,,e?edings
were confirmed.

HEALTH COMMITTER

T le proceedings cont&ned a report from the sub-cora-
mittea on the letter of Mr. Beaufort, surveyor to the Gene-
ral Post Office, as to erecting a post office in Dale street.
Tne letter enquired whethfr the chamber of commerce
represented the general feeling upon that subject ; whe her
the council endorsed that view; and whether the corpora—
tion would provide a proper site, with a fron'age in Dale
street.. The report replied in the affirm itive to the first
two queries, and replied to the third that the corporation
would provide a site upon arrangemen's to be hereafter
made.
Mr. Dover proposed the confirmation of the p •oceedirgs,
: including the report.
Mr. Beckwith seconied the motion.
Mr. Fernihough proposed, as an amendment, that the
subject be deferred for the present.

APerman S. }rolmedeclarei himself wholly unpre-
pared to vote upon so important a subject at present, and
strongly urged its withdrawal.

Mr. John Stewart also urged tint it should be post-
poned. He said from a conversation he had had with the
Pest-effice authorities, he conclud d they expected to get
the site free, and also that the corporation would build the
office, they paving the rent for it.
The council divided on the amendment, when the-e
appeared :

For the motion.—Councillors : Stitt, Nicholson,
Turner, Steains, Banner, Fernihough, J. Gladstone, jun.,
P. Jeffreys, WaEr.staff, Lawrence, Tobin, Earle, R. Jeffery,
Clint, Stewart, Farnworth, Halhead.—Aldfirmen : Bennett,
Bold, Parker, C. oper, Turner, Houghton, Ifolme, and the
Mayor —26.

Tyrer,

Against Vie motion.—Councillors: Cro3thwait-, Stewart,
Shell, Livingston, Fleming, Tinne, Johnson, Ho Ison,
Mellor, Beckwith, Anthony.—Al lermen : Horsfall, Dover,
Gardner-14.

The amendment was thereforre carried. It was sass_
quently however. agreed, that the health co nm ttee be
requested to confer with the finance commilce on the
subject.

The remaining proceedings were then confirmed.
Thu council at this point adjourned to next Wednesday.
The f 'flowing business remains fir disposal ol that day :
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the garden,'
committee, clmprising-1. Recommendat on that the gar-
den in Wolstenholme square be abandoned, and that the
same be paled and a suitable lamp be erected in the
centre.-2 Recommendation to autho ise the cunmittee
to procure gravel for the gardens in Abtrcromby and
Falkner squares.

The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the church
expenditure committee, comprising—Rec mmendation to
reduce the rents charged fir pews at St. ➢iichael's Church.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the
Observatory committee.

The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the water
committees.

The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the library
and museum committee, comprising-1. Recommendation
that Mr. Allom be instructed to prepare a design for a new
facade for the building as designed by him, on the plan
signed Con Amore," FO that the entire cost of the build-
ing shall not exceed £26,000 (on the understanding that
there he no engagement that Mr. Allom shall be subse_
quently employed) ; and that Mr. Cockerell, or some other

the building as altered, for the purp ises of the library acid

museum.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the hackney
carriage and licensing committee.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the baths'
committee.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the special
committee on the duties of water bailiff, comprising-
1. Bye-law to prohibit the mooring of any vessel in that
part of the river Mersey defined on the plan, with the
object of keeping a free course for ferry steamers between
the landing stage and the Cheshire shore.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the committee
on the supply of gas.
The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the Birken-
he•!d docks committee.
The coroner's account, amounting to £49 ;V.
The mayor's communications.

Amongst the communications received, and which will
be taken up nest council, was the following from Mr.
Reynolds, in reference to the Saturday Evening Concerts,
at St. George's Hall, of which he was the originator and

manager

TO HIS WORSHIPFUL THE MAYOR, ALDERMEN,

AND COUNCILLORS OF THE BOROUGH
OF LIVERPOOL.

GENTLEMEN.—Most of you are aware that, recently,
I made an effort to give to the working classes of
this town a series of cheap and popular Concerts, on
Saturday evenings, in St. George's Hall. The man-
lier in which my undertaking was appreciated and
supported by the class for whose advantage it was espe-
cially designed, sufficiently shows that the working men
of Liverpo,d had previously felt the want of such a course
of amusement, and eagerly accepted it when offered to
them. Notwithstanding, however, their continued sup-
port, and audiences for the greater part crowding the
Hall, the undertaking has, after six nights' trial, proved
so completely a failure in point of reasonable remuneration
for outlay and trouble, that I have been most unwillingly
compelled to abandon it. In the belief that the principal
obstacle to the success of the scheme was the amount of
rent charged for the Hall and the Organ, I ventared to lay
my case before the St. George's Hall Committee, and apply
for a reduction. This application the committee did not feel
warranted in granting. Under these circumstances lam
induced, respectfully, to solicit your attention to the
following statement, and hope that if I can demon-
strate that, while the charges for the Hall and Organ
continue at their present scale, no cheap popular concerts
can possibly be made to pay their own expenses, even
with the most crowded audiences, you will see the
necessity for a revision of the existing scale of rent and
other charges. I beg to lay before you a statement of the
expenses and receipts of each of the Concerts I conducted.
I may be allowed to mention these two facts—that at the
first, second, and one or two other concerts, the hall was
crowded to excess, and that the prices of admission were
as high as could reasonably be charged with any hope of
adapting the entertainment to the means of that great
class whose enjoyment I desired to promote.
The following items show the expensn of a single Con.
cert, and that not the most expensive of the series, another
having involved an outlay of £Bl I3s 3d :

Rent of Hall
Use of Stage in Hall

Organ i
Six Police Officers

426 6 0
1 1 0

Artistes
Advertis
Printing

Money and Check Takers
Attendants in Hall
Sundries

5 5 0
0 18 0
16 16 0

3 15 0
13 Q 0

1 la 0
0 12 6
1 10 0

Looking at the foregoing calculation it is evident that the
only items which could be reduced, consistently with the
object of making the Concerts of a character at all worthy
of the Hall and the People, and the necessity of giving
full publicity to the undertaking, were the charges for
the Hall and the Organ.

I now subjoin a statement of the receipts and expendi-
ture of each Concert. The Council will observe that my
effort -has entailed on me a loss of upwards of £lOO,
and that no concert, however well attended, paid its own
expenses:--

RECEIPTS

First
Second
Third .

eio 14 0 First ..
75 0 0 Second
fie 10 0 Tlin,l

Total Lacotne.... £345 4 8

Total Expenditure
Receipts

EXPENDITURE.

77 16 0
81 13 3

Add for Sundries

4'446 5 9
. 10 0 0

£456 5 97
. 345 4 R 4

Amount of nett loss
It will, no doubt, be urged that, so long as the Counei

can obtain the present amount of rent from parties giving
concerts of a higher class as regards prices, they are
nit justified in making any reduction.
.But, in reply, I
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speculation. The Council can, indeed, obtain the preen
rent, but only from parties who give concerts at a scale of
prices which shuts the doors of the Hall against any of
the wo •king, or even the small tradesmen class. To act,
lyhtohal
nsse
gtrpecarflisoavrtsaehst, iwnee p
hhrtooahprihgseaerivtsnyesc_taauntnnhcbdaeeot
taoli sisb:ttaeat
doi m:keadene_mp mowruioegpuhittathhfeoaaninrdl lyeyam do
in
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t
be to deprive, of all share in the enjoyment of the Hall, a
indirect share in its ownership.

The Organ Performances at present given under manage-
ment of the council, realise .£l5 profit. This, however, is
computed without deducting the rent of the Hall. As I
should have been willing to continue my C mcerts, paying
to the council £2O per night for the rent of the Hall and
Organ, the corporation fund, instead of gaining Xl5 each
Saturday night, loses, in point of fact, .E.b at the least.

It mly not De out 01 mace It I eau your attention to a
few well.timed and judicious remarks in yesterday's
Liverpool Albion. showing that the Organ Performances
do not, ant cannot pay.

The new Free Trade Hall in Manchester, which is
capable of accommodating a considerably larger audience
than St. George's Hall, may be had for £2O each night,
including every ch Irge.
I beg leave to call the attention of the council to the
following extract from a Glasgow paper, in reference to
the manner in which the new Town Hall of that city is
let for such undertaking as my recent effort:

" The Town Council of Glasgow have just printed a
code of rules to be observed by parties engaging the New
Town Hall for public entertainments, balls, sermons, &c.,
together with a scale of charges for the same, which slides
up from a minimum with the prices to be charged for
admission. These terms are remarkable for liberality,
and show how anxious the council are to give the general
public the benefit of this great acquisition to the town."

Having shewn, therefore, that under the present system
popular concerts worthy of the name cannot be carried on
in the hall, and that the council are not gainers but losers
by the present performances conducted under their owu
auspices, I trust I have established some ground on which
to appeal to the members of the Corporation for a revi-
sion of the existing scale.
With apology for thus occupying your attention, but
feeling confident you will give the questions I have sub-
mitted your disinterested consideration,
I have the honour to be,

Gentlemen,

Your obedient servant,
CHARLES REYNOLDS,

16, Greek-street, London-road,
December 2, 1856.

ituttraTia.

"MERSEY" LINE OF AUSTRALIAN PACKETS

Has only 200 tons room.
Will positively proceed into the River on Monday next. the Sth inst.
She will clear on Tuesday, and sail on Wednesday morning.
Latest shipping day—Saturday next; on whit -1 day passengers
must embark,
FOR MELBOURNE AND GEELONG,
Forwarding Passengers at Ship's expense to SYDNEY ADE-
LAIDE, Sm.
The splendid new Clipper-Ship
M'LEOD,
Jouw Clexataarrit, Commander;
A I at Lloyd's, 1,365 tons register, now on her first voyage, and is
expected to prove one of the fastest ships in the trade. Her
accommodations for Second Cabin Passengers, being in the poop,
are unequalled by any other ship in the trade, and the steerage is
unusually well ventitlated and fitted with every convenience. Now
loading west side Princes Dock.

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