The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-23 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 23, 1850.

ARMY AND NAVY ESTIMATES. months a reheat, and as emir should be ablidsi to • vote
set ia resdorkg wawa ••••0•• l• Mr. HUMS asked Lord J. Russ,ll whoa he intsaded to unkTlNn he
eleshould have held
it
hr lb* the peelled7 fee six Ineathe.
M• Saks int vote foe the army or soy ?
Lewd I. RUSSELL was aadosolooh to. is:, •
ist wadi take bare Sealy
bees a balding far twelve amiths wad to gums heed
by.perkseVeasemplarithat the paspess.af ,
the Sem vote as ld dab, we. k lie OM Is eato atm partbalar=
ADJOURNMENT OF THE ••• _. _ _ awry
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Tildes was ordered to Im adjoursed to . ,
peeled la elm gem It would ha temS
THE AUSTRALIAN COLONIES . *we was easaptioa la the MI, for the torimmbli
BILLe
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,Ineii' .i ~ Is lt maimpfagesisise Mc as ermagire ip have kali beams-
Lord Y. RUSSELL stated Isles „no , flab fee. IS ismaths-a pedal al four math, killer.
this bill, in the tit at Om because 11 , He irked the sibs UM at the Madam . her Illeketara
there was to be a queasiest wbetkor *see wile WM two ',meant if I, wan rim is she_ la
Maas of lipids:ars el ass in the stossaik• swisales. that alma de happiest le he a safest la at as SL
tits Wise should have boron it all the lafremation they not a haaiswaw hew e Ad...n..4.11
seahl meekly giro up to Um lame time, sad that the papers if ha ad dii-,7„,w-a-,,,, aseria-;;;Trtost.
whisk ikwy had kesiesd should b• laid bele" Pnella- he be restricted by the pressen lie? Thsfehmela
...01, sad skald be pat in a shape that Moeda (vision, he theaght the noble lerii mirk& lahre min lib
brbg that queries alphas Wen be boom. He mamma,, awmat to a aewisa-awmadese- - --a ow
bad received &mamba that meniag from New mu. (Hear, Mar.) The noble lord at the hoed
Isabad which it was imperunt the Muse should be w we mes meat retest met enured awe 1
fa passe*. O. He should like, is be was Meat to post. wow, hwei-x-• have to bring in a bit kw paha.
Peke the memo'., the: iks "IL lad sal." rfiatitmllafi„„,_, 1t..._116 ismsenry mesas be the United Kingdom. (Hem, hoar.)
...a... um le =swab smooduent for at* paper of saa'ags,sw• He was set gulag to se that there milted at pesseat any
M Win Maw as to whither Ow namiw •U'E''' mill pressig se eery damsel is the country for
riati '--Wales and Vienne Mould have two bosses of Ibis- „LA a hweami. Bee the man wee net worth
arguing
latare, Mat balm the time came the boa. and lamed gee- with who hawed that the la welew I. this
country
Wow eittnild lay bests the ben"! so that it might i• meal be keg maintained, without considerable Mangos.
printed, whelk was that he specifically proposed,what body If ia Inbar' the lasdlarde, by moon of their territorial
was to be elsessd, sad what _tinalificaficase_lk____,,• Rambsrs.,.._siLl statism, samba' great lateens* is one way, and the priests
were to To give sumelent time iie5......en5ec5ra,......... ce mewled hitt snow kna. tun, ia bit op.osioa.ths tams.
Sc PIMP" the cook_mittas__
_...b that___,"_____,Y tanholat; meat reeking to baptise tba mode of gimes expreaska to
is *Taw of the day was wiz "war am' Pw"issawa '6r • public opiates would de well to establish an sadly waited
foetaight. =, the system at vote by ballot, which would amble all
CONVICT SHIPS.
Mr. GRATTAN salted whethm any swank had been awawaineds" Putk•aphdeat:iTteal`wher,:erlaa4•ll wegrowatreafrePtaseasalley
takes to ensure the safe caudate of the omelets to the ale. The noble UM M the head el the goverseasat had Weight
ales, and whether the government intended to take any in a Fill for the better gemeasteat of the (cloaks, abound-
steps to punish the officers of the barque Indian. Mg with numerous phrases and provisions, oat of which'
Mr. HAWES replied, that in consequence of the edema- guaranteed • representative to every 16,000 men of the pro-
: duet of the cheers and flew of that skip, they had bees peados. Another clause is the constitution about to be
dinharded from their situations. framed panted out the eMps noseseary to be taken for en-
EMIGRANT SHIPS. sawing the free sad impardal expramloa ef opinion by public
Lord ASHLEY 'squired whether any seeps bed been eleetios, and the impartial mercies of the franchise. (Hear,
takes to punish the ssissondiert of ths oaken of theßmailliss hear.) Now, in as cen:ar the face of the earth was
emigreat ship, who had flogged and otherwise cruelly ilb sash a preludes more than in Ireland, for unless
treated the female enigmas. they had a large coastireency, or the protection of the ballot,
there ruled be no tree 'emission of opution-(bear, hear)-
16. HAWES said with regard to the Ramillies the fasts of
of that bobs did not believe that elec.
and if the members . ,
the saes were these :-The ship arrived in March last at
tem by ballot would have the effect of rendering electors '
athen.ctrily,',.."...d t,ttPiase.. thage*...rt.mie th."..,,tii."lmPisis.at whatever ind modest, by removing them from the influence of
an----4.--,„er---w-ee -ewe-- e-f-ewt-ti,-.1,-. 0f,,,,. -4,ti5,..i - - 4,-. thellarealth aad powerful, they would hare no objection
however _ ii-- parlor
ezasainatioo, that- -tom— foment and
ben"' to Ilrid thiseallt*dwel eiaar
tr.thig. sad emasamagesatkatoeuTowohtihohe '1
sealsaed by the moans in the promisee of the master, but erns
occasioned scenes in Inland rm., as England, disgraceful,
there was abides like flogging. act alone to the pretest goveramat, but to any govern.
PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS, RC (IRELAND) BILL. meat that ever misted. (Hier, hear.) lie did not with
Oa the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, to be understood as denying that the present bill would be
Mr. NAPIER said ha felt it his duty Woes this an improvement.
bill was read a second time to call the attention of the hems Mr. GROGAN thought it should be shown that the
to a consideration of some of its more important clauses. „mow „jihad w rum the inaohise. won they coerced
The bill was divisible into two parts. One concerned the him to plass MENNE benne' two fires of an equally hostile
qualifications of electors, and the other the registration. nature-the ismdleell as the one hand, and the priest on the
With toped to that portion of the bill which cane other. He Minsk* also, that a distinction should be reads
aerasst the qualification of electors, he objected to between the teem t bolding by lease, and the tenant who
W bill because it would alter the weole inn- held at will. He certainly should object to a rating of 81.
ails* of the kingdom. This bill did sway with the MOM- to counties as eatirely too low in amount ; and his objection
sill el a beneficial law*" an the Part of the astir* and it was based apes the practical a:pension of the mischievous
made it c impeller, oa a mast to take the trembles. offsets resulting from the old forty shilling franchise system.
la the second clause they had an encouragement to joint mow, her.)
"raw caused thewhich
-- --- arrangement-- -.----• - subservient - into the merits of the bill then before the house, but to
polite.. This clans would have the effect of renew- entreat his right hon. friend, the Secretary for 'reload, net
lag agitation in, that country, and would raise up to accede to the wishes of hon. gentlemen opposite to port-
a elms of persons who would live by agitation. They pone the bill. (Hear, hear.) It was evident from the dies
were swam thatanact Pulled some time ago for the cession that had taken piece that them hon. gentlemen at
purpose of neyeating joint
.treetolds, hut here was a el me the opposite ride of the house intended to give the bill the
giving to every joint occupier a vote, introducing the evil
most determined and vigorous opposition. (":04.:1
pviplie of subdivision of land. Then the third dean gave For two years they had had the present bill
to every one who was seized in fee simple to the amount of and be could *tato that the monogamic* had boss es
M. • year a vote, so that if any one bought an estate worth diminish the franchise very considerably. (Hear, hear.)
1001. a year he might create twenty votes out of it. Was The present bill was intendedmoreor less to revive the
that fair to porsoes who were strugglir g for the rights of constituencies of Ireland, therefore ha hoped after waiting
properly' Then with regard to saltine the rating to the for _a n s
as j meure for over twO years the pvernment would
poor see the basis of qualification, it appeared to him that it press it forward, and not wait the convenience of bus. gentle-
required a great deal of caution. In Ireland it was of men at the opposite side of the house, whom duty it was to
great inipormee to the poor law from anything eon- be ready end in attendance at ell times. (Hear, hear.) The
netted with religious or political hew. Then, with regard noble lord at the opposite side (Lord C. Hamilton) stated
to the joint occupation, there would be a constant joggle that, from his knowledge, the people were not disposed to
going on. They knew haw variable was the valuatioa of pro. register. He (Mr. Fagan) admitted that at present, with
poesy even in Boston(' ; it was probably more so in Ireland. the franchise in its very limited condition, the people were
Mr. HUMS said, if this bill was to do engage to Ireland, not disposed to register, because the possession of the Iran-
it muss met the wishes of the community there. The chise was an expense and as annoyance instead of a benefit,
learned gentleman objected to even this modified reform, fauweeh ae its p 05,..,,,, was placed home,. two
His principal reason for vision was to point out to tbe house fire,, (Hear, hear.) On one side, if he went with the land-
'
that this bill could not do justice to belied. A franchise of lord, he ran the risk of popular displeasure ; whilst,
81. in Ireland was equal to 301 in England. Formerly 40s. on the other has t, if he obeyed the dictates of his
freeholders in Ireland had votes, bat they deprived conecienee, he ran the risk of bring oppressed by the lend-
them of that. He thought that to offer anything lord. (Hear, hear.) They all had heard, or read, of Irish
to Ireland short of an ample restitution of election*, for instance, the eviction, at Carlow-.where the
its privileges was rely to yeno.og the reunite people were persecuted for acting conscientiously, whieh
Why should the half-Hottentots haleEagliah et the, Cam could tot have been the ease but for the unfortunately
be allowed to vote if they were rated to the !cadent? limited state of the franchise. (Hear, hear,) The only
(Hear, hear.) Were Irishmen less capable of exercising the mode that could be adopted to protect the voter was to ex. I
franchise than they? Assuredly not. tend the franchise, and than the people would be dimmed
Mr. REYNOLDS thanked the boo. member for Mole to register. (Hear, hear) He agreed with his hon. lliend
trose for his liberality, but could not forget that h. had the member for Manchester, that it was not necessary
voted for the Irish C neon Bill, and that he was in favour that persons should express a desire to be placed on the
of stripping Ireland of her last plume-the Lord Lieutenant. registry. (Hear, hear.) On the same ground that • man
(" Hear, her; " and laughter.) Thotuth the bon. gentlemanwas summoned to earn on a jury or discharge any other
opposite (Mr. Napier) had consented that his friends the legal or perks' duty, a mum should be placed on the registry
Orangemen shooed be sacrifind by the former bill, yet he and allowed to exercise his privilege as Ins feelings and hi.
was enraged to any further instalment of their rights being conscience dictated. (Hear, hear.)
granted to the people. He professed to fear that it would Fir J. TYRELL alluded to tin influence of the catholic
give greater power to the landlords; but be seemed to ero priests in Ireland, which Mr. Fagan and other members had
prove of that portion which affected the borough franchise. casu illy mentioned, end was becoming anecdotical in his re-
it was to be regretted that this porti-n nut his approval; marks, when be was stopped by a general interposition of
for it would be enough to make every one is Ireland coot hon. members, on the ground that his fact• and comments
demo it. It tied been truly said that en 81. franchise in Ire- viten dto matters not before the h7use. Sir J. Tyrell per
laud was equal to 301. in England. He was much dint. sited, but afterwards withdrew before the ruling judgment
pointed in this bill, and wool _I propose an amendment in son- of the Speaker, promising to return to the topic formally
mitts* reducing the franchise to 41. (Hear.) In nineteen- hereafter.
twentieths of the countries the franchise had dandled to • Lord CASILEREAGH wished for more accurate infor-
mer* shadow ; Duet fourths of them would be cle se bo-
maims regarding the state of Irish constituencies. He did
roughs, if en election occurred to-morrow, the voters being not so much object to the measure as to the inflicting it upon
cbielly 601, tenants, and 201. rentcbargers. Many parts of
Ireland by way of experiment, on corpore sill.
this bill were espeole of improveceenr. Most of the free •
men had neither a local habitation, nor, it might be said, a Mr. MONSELL attributed the decay of the Irish conati-
tueocy to the disgraceful reluctance of landlords to grant
name; for they had often voted in the names of those who
had gone to their long account. (Laughter.) It they wished leases.
to make Ireland the right hand of England, and an aexiliary Mr. SADLEIR recommended the passing of the bill
emceed of a drag chain on her progress, no more likely plan without delay. He believed, end showed grounds for the
to accomplish those results coed be adopted than by giving belief, that the constituency of 'reload was becoming vitiated
the Irish people • voice in the election of their representa- and factitious.
tires. He would conclude by giving notice to move in com- Mr. 0-FLAHERTY thanked the government for the bill.
mitt.* that every one rated to the amount of 41., whether Mr. KEOGH thought that no substantial objection had
in boroughs or counties, should have • vote in the election of been offered to the bit. For his own part, he was convinced
members of parliament. of its essential necessity, if we wished to preserve a consti-
Sir J. WALSH said it had been predicted that this bill tunny in the sister island. 374.000 voters would be placed
would satisfy no parties; and this appeared to be correct. by this bill upon the county poll books. This was a large
By reducing the franchise to 81., the represeatation of the addition, yet it did not ruse the Irish electoral body to an
counties would be thrown into the hands of a low and needy equality with that of England, in proportion to the reopen
class; and if the concession were once made, if the stone were aye populations.
once set rolling, it would run to the bottom of the hill. Sir W. SOMERVILLE replied to objection which, he
(Hear.) Were this measure agreed to, it eoul t give much said, bore almost solely upon the details of the measure. lie
greater impetus to the demand for an extension o the Iran- submitted that its principle was untouched and intern/able.
chise in England. lie admitted the Irish constituency had The &mord reading pissed without a division, and the
dwindled ; the reason was that property had dwindled, bill was ordered for committal on Friday next.
and there had hien a great deal of emigre- ELECTIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
lion. But was it a reason for extending the
SriWM. SOMERVILLE moved the mutond • of
reading
qualification lower; that the higher claeses were reduced in „.. bill.
number ? Rather let them look to • reconsiruction of that '''s
clue. The groat danger to liberty in our days arose, not from Mr. REYNOLDS said that the third clause of the bill
the monarchy or the aristocracy, hut from the continual en- provided that there should be separate polling places for
ANOTHER campaign is before us. The liberties of
croacloments of the democratic principle. What hod already every 300 voters, and by another clause it was proposed that
tard.extorted,sad s 1 I o att y won, are
been the consequence of these encroachments? In France, the expenses of the booths should be paid by the condi- industry, so 11y a
society was only penned by settirg clue against clam, dates. Now, if a constituency amounted to 18,000, no less oace more in danger. The terms of the capitulation
placing the whole under military despotism, and using the than 60 booths would be required, which. M 211. • booth, of 1816 are already broken by certain of those whose
bayonet as the instrument of government. So strong were would cast 1,2001. for booths alone. He therefore thought signatures and seals are still affixed thereto. Tne de-
bts feelings against this bill, that he should have been glad that oils booth. should be made to answer tor more tha
sorters stipulate indeed that the name of Protection
had his hon. and learned friend opposed it in this stage. 300 voters. With regard to having a *emirate polling place
Unless it assumed • very different appearance when it came for freemen, he doobted if that was an improvement. shall not be emblazoned on the new banners of a
out of committee, he should then oppose its further progress. Mr M. J. O'CONNELL suggested that as the baronial re-united party; but except the name all is as it wan
classification which was adopted in the bill would give rise in the palmy days of landlordism, when the laws of
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was prepared to accept grate-
to gnat inconvenience, a panth division ehou be
fully the proposition of the government with regard to theldadopted.
revenue and trade were but so many various screws
county franchise ; bet in the boroughs the result would be, Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that these were matters of to extort from labour, and thrift, and invention,
F
, aa. issued of iscrusing the hotrehold franchise, greatly to di- detail to which he would be ready to pay every cone- enough to make up for the exemption of the territo.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FRIDAT
22. menial% it. deratien.
The Seamus took the chair at 4 o'clock.second time, and acd rig," oligarchy.
PUBLIC BUSINESS. Col. TAYLOR stated that an 81. rating would, in the The bill was then read a ord r to be
county of Dublin, which he had the honour to represent, committed on Monday. The tenor and result of Thursday night's debate
PETITIONS PRESENTED. increase the amount of voters to the number of 28,009. ESTATES LEASING (IRELAND) BILL must seriously corroborate the fear and thu counsel.
AGRICULTYRAL DISTILIOS.-By Mr. M. BELL, several He would prefer a 231 to an 81. rating. He objected to On the motion of Sir W. SOMERVILLE, this bill was which we have been entertaining and expatiating
from Northumberland south; sad by Mr. BANKRS, from the bill, on the ground that its tendency was to snake the read • nand time. upon for the lust months, which are, that the middle
a ',abbe meeting is Dorchester, somplaining of agricultural tons swamp the rural districts.
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. and industrious classes, as well as the more intelligent
distress, and praying for the imposition of • duty es forego Col. RAWDON said that the obi et of this bill was to On the motion that this bill be read a second time, of the upper clams, are not secure against hay-
hap rte. remedy a very great defect in the representation of Ireland • ' Mr. C. LEWIS
Taxes 0:f KNOWLIDOn.-By Mr. MUNTZ, from the bat there was such a difference of opinion on the matter onstated, in reply to Sir H. Willoughby, ins protection and spoliation re-imposed upon them,
that :the commons imitators commissioners bad power to except
Birmingham Association for Promoting Political Lwow- the part of the Irish members oho addressed the house thatby admitting a larger body of the consumers
ledge ; and by Mr. MILNER GIBSON, from the book- it was almost Impoteible for any minister to come to a dear order immediate execution with regard to one clue of cam-mons but with regard to another- clan their erden required to political power. Here have we had a return to
bia 'ere of Loodon, praying fur the remimion of the stamp view on the mbject. He would swept the bill as • veny - ' protection, under a circuitous form, only rejected in
datin oa newspapers and advertisements, and the excise gnat improvement on the present state of things, and as it a a a .th
the subsequent coefirmotion of an set of perliament They
duties on pope. would give Ireland a very large increase of voters. nen made an oer en respect to what they considered a-• - : "th House of Commons by one-and-twenty votes.
Cot. Inv BOARDe.-By Sir R. PEEL, from Staffordshire; Sir JOHN YOUNG thought oue of the great advantages stunted entainen,but on subsequent proceedines beiog taken, The repeal of the corn law was but a part of a
hr fir W. MOLRSWORTH, from Middlesex ; and byIt appeared doubtful whether this was a stunted comma' or
of this bill was that It woold melee the registry seltaet" A , large,
sing
.
il-digested and connected syetem for
Mr. BENS F.T, from Suffolk; for the establishment of and would magnet the frame/nee throughout the whole of
log. a morn= lemon et row wet. In the latter ease the order h
of the commissiousrs would require
the coafirmetion of an c eapeninthe
g food of the people, as well as the raw
coney boards to coutrol I xpeodittint. the counties. materials of manufacture, and for throwing
act of parliament, and hence this bill was introduced.
ROYAL ASSENT. Mr. FRARGIHI O'CONNOR said that the bill was meet The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be upon the property of the country some portion of 1
Mr. PIMMAN, Yeoman Usher of the Black Red, 0990Wase asd sessesary ; but yet he looked unto it more as committed on Monday next. those burdens which clogged and obstructed industry.
sawed the hone, us, home* lammed to the tittle, a measure of policy than of principle on the part of the WOODS AND FORESTS. Nothing can have been more successful than the
seimueomed the Speaker to the Route of Lome to hew the gennimout. The present government was • free-trade Lord J. RUSSELL said that, in rising to move for leave wcrking of theta principles, suem ssful in every point
loyal Arun given by comunetem to the County ems ore. getwaimat. and therefore feared that the counties should t_ being ,_ _ „.„, _ make better
provision far
the
manage of
of view. No sooner, however, have these burdens,
bad) Bill. return • majority of protectionists to the House of Com "•z:....7, .
ine Meets, and land revenues of theerowu, removed from the shoulders of the people, been fairly
BRITISH ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH COMPANY. Imam' and for the direction of public works and buildings, it was felt by the propertied clasp, than the landed portion of
Mr. PINNEY roved the mead reading of the British Lard C. HAMILTON considered that under the preent not his intention, particularly is the absenee of his noble ' '
Meet& Telegraph Company's Bell. law the number of *legion in Ireland could be quadrupled. Mead the chairman of the committee which sat on it absolutely refuse to bear them. Exempt they will
Mr. RICARDO said the whole of the capital 'red Rethought, therefore, that it would be quite suMciout if this subject, who was unable to attend in the
remai by ....._ __ ....,,, whowere be, in one shape or another ; and, come what may,
this bill did nut amount to 100,0004., and that it was an ~.`"`i 0'",...-,:zt,-,, ,-- ---- now legally entitled to • vote an hones that night, to enter upon any lengthened mole- direct taxation on real property moot ho shoved back
attempt epos the part of its promote?, to extort • rem of - "" -a------e• nations of the measure, or as the general reasons again by indirect taxation on tho maSSell of the
Mow y from the Eleatic Telegraph Company. He moved, Mr. BRIGHT was glad to find that there was a ge- which induced her Majesty's government to think it ones-
ea al; assodmeut, that it be read • steued time that day meal understanding on the other aide of the house sary. He would merely state the general reasons which people.
eta months. which amounted to a general acknowledgement that some induced them to think that skis department might be better neatly ea ded on Thursda and the
They very y,
Mr. FAMRUM said it was rather enema, without a bill of this nature was necessary, and that they had come to managed by its separation into two distinct offices. which he attempt will be renewed-renewed wherever op-
stroes ease being sods oat, that the hone should refuse to the emulsions that the condition of the representation M now was about to propose, than by their continuance in portunity occurs or opening Off, rA, The landlords
mead • 14.1 to a committee up stairs, particularly mob a sue Ireland, whisk some years ago they would not allow to be wombination. Till the year 1832 then were different are masters of one house of parliament, and with pre-
as the mind,
which held oat a maws to aged my raw amadad, now required come impeovemast to be applied to slim for the reanspreent of the Land Revenue and dominant influence in the other ; end we msy rely
OMMO10•00 to the country. it. He agreed with the observations whisk had bon for the management of the Wood, and Forests, and
The bourns divided - made as te the faults of the bill with regard to assaty then was also the ales of Surveyor of General upon thief, that as long es the present undue polio-
try.
For the second reading - cal and electoral influence is left to the I Inded note-
Anise it no kind of sensible reason could be given why the franelles bins these departments. But he thought experience rest, that influence will be exercised to procure &Cal
12-63 should he the the• •
of
The bill was mordlnely reed a emend time.sagas for bermighs o° Mg •••• • The semi had shown that the combination these two offices led to exemption and substantive privileges over the rest of
there fined affeed•d as criterion of what would be the extent the imposition of large and undue charges on the land re-
CAMBRIDGE AND SREPRIITH RAILWAY. of the iaersase of the franchise. Om to paint which he venue of the crown, for the purpose of nublic work, their countrymen.
kirii G. MANNERS moved
the second reading of the wished to allude was, that the he., haessest the Secretary (Hear, beer.) And likewise the gentleman who held the Under some pretext or name the protectionists can
Carithiidato and Shooreth 'onetime Railway and Branch, to for Ireland, sad kis friends, were desirous to attach some office being tenanted with the political partywho hap. always command a
defection from the reluctant She-
joie toe Rasters Comae* Railway, Bill. of those Notristkins to this bill whisk were found in England used to be in power at the time, was not so well titled hie a rale of the land. A dozen whige swelled the ranks
Mr. TOWNLEY moved, as an amendment, that it be to have gives lies to so mach evil, aid which he was sere department which really required all the knowledge
Mad • MON time that day six lathe the so bLe lard at the had of her lif "esty' ao a governmout fen tho management of • landed estate, of the minority of 202 ; there were some Irish too. But
After it brief therassion, would remove m soon as h• should bring in a bill Oa :seniarite were wholly_ naconneeted with political
• these alone could not have lent any effective strength
Mr. TOWNLEY withdrew his amendment, and Me es- the &Met. It appeared that no occupier should have panne._ (Hear, hoar.) What they proposed, therefor,to the assailants of industrial freedom. The main deice-
mad nabs el the bill was possimseg paw Tsgsdny mi. a tight to vol. Mita he should hare been twelve in the fret phis; was to have three commieskaus„ of whim tion was led by Mr. GLADSTONE, who, with moue of

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

two ewe to eneelve salaries, for the mansgemest of the
Iced Meissner she wows and for the woods and forests.
Neither of this. etwnld he capable of having • seat in the
Hones of Ceatheast Tke odes would then be restored to
whatit omit 1810. With regard to the Geese 'ef weeks,
that vela bad betheth• matter of we musk impsetanee that
they propound to oaths It • podded edges, the list menene-
dosser of width might ink it together with a seat la the
Hesse of Commune. Irkey thought that an a Meer of that
theselption,:ritie, mad beide', • seat la She Moen of
, Comaress, sashimi to hays • someal iiestrel ever
fig poblie weeks that neighs be underta, and which of
law years theadened audderable expose", tad which
theldely deserved to be made a rabies* for the espeedel
ensconce of • mbelseertif the ether& By Men.peeiveted impa-
tiens they would got rid of what wan fidt to be great rid,
wady, that where • here mimes was to he keetrred tar
Cbe Imposes, the ammo is which the muss to be rabid
te wpm wen/rand wit by slide( a thugs ea the
bed biveases of the criers • whereas the oldest Meg of •
public aatare—either the arming of puled" paths, the im-
provement of the streets of the metropolis or some improve-
ment la Dahlia or Zdiabeergb, the expeiditure should be
'barged rather tle the general revenue of the
Gauntry. (Hear, hear.) It was quite true that whether
the sent required,be it 110,0001. or 40,0001., was charged
to the car or to the other, it was the same Wag to the
public. They bad not to pay any more. But the system
of charging these expenses on the land revenues of the crown
bad the certain teaeney of keeping from the public view
the lugs expenses that were incurred, and the question
relating to the propriety of incurring mach large expendituie
for public objec.s. (Hear, hear.) According to the
statement which he had now made, therefore, the
land revenue would it future be managed aa •
department of revenue. The person employed in
that office would hays only. to consider how they could beet
manage the rents end receipts received from the property ;
and, in the nett plaee, whet was the beet system of emanating
the Woods and Forests. They would have nothing whatever
to do with any expenditure except such a any owner of
property would think uselessly fir the improvement if that
property. On the other hand, the officer of works, being a
political cam, would have to consider what sums it would
be necessary to apply to puhis works, either to begin them
or to carry them on—in what manner the perks for public
recreation—ouch as Hamptou Court—should be kept in
order and ornamented, ad any other expenditure which
the government might think it necessary from time to time
to recommend and the House of Commons to sanction. Ile
would have to explain the reasons for these 'apneas and
would direct his attention directly—not to the management
of • land estate for which he might not be fitted by experi-
mice, but to those matters which were rather matters of large
public concernment, and which would be likely to be made
the subject of debate and discussion in that house. (Hear.)
With regard to the salaries, the whole sum for the two
offices w,.uld he the same as that which was now 'employed
for the purpose. At present the first oomeniesioner had
2,0001, a year, and the two others had 1,2001. What they
proposed now was that the Commissioners of Lend Revenue
should consist of three persons, two of theta only with Lila.
rise. The first holdirg • commission would receive I O'K,
and the second 1.0001. The third would be some person in
the public service, who would not receive a salary. The Com-
missioner of Public Works would receive • 'slaty of 2,0001. •
War which was the sum now paid to the Filet Commissioner of
oods and Forests. That was the salary given to officers of
that description, and with that he would be entitled to have
I seat in the House of Commons. There would therefore be
neither an increase of salaries nor would there be any addi-
tion to the number of persons able to hold seats in the House
of Commons together with offices of profit beyond the present
number. He hoped that these two offices would be the
meats after a time of bringing the expenditure within
proper bounds, for there certainly were some expenses con-
nected with this department which were net properly regu-
lated, and by bringing them under the eye of parliament
they hoped to mate them less burdensome.Theee were the ge-
neral outlines of the bill which he now proposed to brims; in.
(Hear. bear.)
Mr. CA BIDWELL said that, being a member of the com
mittee, he thought it right to state that be wee glad this
subject bad engaged the attention of the government, and
he concurred with the noble lord in berieving that there
was no department of the public service in which there
Iris greater cc, pe fur eft ctive improvement. (Hear, hear.)
He thaught the proposal he made of a board of revenue en-
tirely devoted to that subject was one ea:related to promote
economy in the public service, and 'great security in the dr
tribution of the wool. He looked upon the proposition of
submitting every estimate to the Huse of C Anions as a
most important I rovision.
After a few words from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY,
The bill was afterwards brought in and read a first time.
PAYMENT OF WAGES IN IRELAND.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE brought in • bill to prohibit, in
Ireland, the payment, in sultans cases, of wag's in goods or
herwise than in the current coin of the realm.
It was read a first time.
PRISON DISCIPLINE.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAT, Fts. 22.
Their lordships eseembled shortly alter 4 o'elsek.
CRIMINAL LAW CONSOLIDATION BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM. in movie, the snood readi this
bill, said that time the but wades it had •
fertlitrreviiirm, sad lad received farther improvememos.
The elation had beeu Irene through by Mr. P.tt Taylor. who
lad amended the language, oaly using one word ia who
mac
The bill was reed a wooed time.
BANKRUPT LAW lONSOLIDATION BILL.
Os As motion of Lord BROUGHAM, the secood readiag
of Oda bill was postponed to this day fortaight.
PRZSBYTRRIAN MINISTES IN IRELAND.
Thee Marquis of LONDONDERRRY wished te the
atteatioe of the *able in aqui. (Lsnadoeret) to o notch
be lied rmeired trout a preebyterian miaister is that tart of
Iceland with whie hse wee essseetal. Their ladebige had
so doubt sees, ham the rabbi jouniale, tbsesolos ollpesosi.
lap which the peeebrerlas 'Waiters bed Wired. Robed
received s letter from owe el them, the Rea. S. W. Dobbins,
whisk called open him to remit what be bed Mead le &dr
kerdeliips• house on Friday last. He gaged that he (the
Marquis of Londonderly) had charged the preebyteries mi-
nisters of the Consty el Dews with 'settles the testate to
a resistance ot the palmist of their mats He, however,
had saver raj 1 s although it was so reported in the Timm,
bat he c euld apt be marts respoesible for tle reports of pub-
lic joensals He could oily ny that is the mommy of
Mans • tenant of his had had his buildiage set ea fire Ps
oases he bad rad his rests, end them wee so doubt that the
feeling of resistirg the payment of ream bad been induced
by the warthog, nay, almost by the EATS., of
the gmbyterian ministers. He wished to knew whether
there win any power far 'nobbles thews ponces who
the stirred ap the public mild to the communion
of nob acts. They received a large portion of their Memo
trees the recaps issions : rsulei they not be deprived of
1411 they thus occearaged persons to resist the law of the
lead' Ile thought the noble earl, the Lord Lieutenant of
Wand, might be able to promeste them, tad as he was still
fa the c,untry, the gammas% mould communicate with
bias os the subject.
The Marquise( LANSDOWNE amid have gives s moss
saishotory wawa it be had bed an oppertesityricrasultieg
with his noble friend the Lord Lieutenant. TIN letter which
MA her. addrelood to the Roble marquir, he thought was
pa* improper sad takeout, bet it did not follow, as a
meesesery cossequesee, that hie 'noble friend meld direct
for it. The dierz.bution of the mows datum,
=Lye be.. left to th. presbyteries Aare, sad it
wail! be • &Skutt ostler to interfere with it.
OREECE.

LIM EDDISBURT poosso---tidooso ppm plain to
Groom
THE RIVER PLATE.

The Earl of Hirt —wittiod-tiTs-pat • question to
Mr settle marquis opposite as to AM rats of o Mader
with the River Piste. lass plosion the noble servile
Yid armed the hour that then was every ream to ever
that moment that arrangement.s won isompresd by titha
pore would be Tittered truth' those wren, and ha
deo reductios of the paper this asked for, on the
GI hi bring snots try to result the garnumeat of iterCir,
rise the President of the Republic woe this absent to •
ter scald not be obtained. Sin at seven menthe
had dose aiapapa, and be insegined, therefore, that that, was
mom Cie Mick is the part of hot Majesty's gortrustst
I. portared iafamation. As far as say otterl
spirt they shoal I have been is this dark as to
vibes bed pima bad not the satjtet attracted cossidornble
attssties is Yuman, and in the mores of the dietaries of
it, it append ban the statemest of this Writ for
Torign Alain, that there was as omission in the armies
Meta bet's this country and Brines Apes to make
any provi%ion for .he litre and property of forewarn engaged
in those ware This statement had ocitheiosed eorideratile
anxiety on the pen of those concerned, sad they wished to
be assured on this point. But, moreover, it might In im
ports% to ascertain from the noble marquis, ern if he was
sot preparci. to lay on the table the treaty in the form in
whist it I. at been tia-lly agreed to, whether this intention
whisk he had announced on • former occasion had boon
sistrisid oat by the treaty. He thought, it he ncollerod
tightly, that the noble menials had stated that the basis of
the treaty was that which was galled t' Mr. Hold's arrange-
meat "—that was the brie upon which he undersold the
moth marph to say the treaty was constructed ; and above
al, the independence of Moser Video was as object espe-
cially to be ensured. He wished to put • question to the
mos le marquis as to that basis ; the original pro.
position, wises the negotiations were first entered
into with the goversmest of Buenos Ayres, under
the auspices of this noble lord behind him was this—that
the nrestrvation of Monte Video was a point to be princi-
pally kept in view. Ho wished to ask—first, whether that
had been carried out ? Secondly, whether the power of
England end France would came en immediate ditannamest
of toreigners who tad horns arms ? And, thirdly, whether
Osecrsl R ..sas would simultaneously casts the whole of the
Are :Air? troops to bt withdrawn tram every part of the
Orients! territories?

On the motion of Sir G. Omar, the toilowint mere nomi-
nated the select committee on prison discipline :--Sir George
Grey, Mr. Edmund Denison, Mr. Pearson, Sir Henry He.
lord, Mr. Smhere.n, Mr. Aldermen Sidney, Mr Ea• kis,
Capt. Pelbam, Mr. Peto, Viscount Mahon, Sir E•lwerd
Buxton, Mr. Hobert Palmer, Sir John Pakington, Mr. Arm-
strong, and Mr. Mika's.
NATIONAL SCHOOLS IN IRELAND.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE (who spoke in a low
tone of voice, and was suet indistinctly heard in the gal-
lery) was understood to soy that he was sorry it was not
in Isis poser to lsy the treaty on the table of the house;
he could not produce it until it had been ratified. The
treaty had been signed on the 24th November, and it was
founded on the basis of Ur. Hood's arrangement. R 9.
'peeing emu points to which the noble earl had Winded,
it ass impossible for hint to rise distinct answers, as they
could oLly be .crated with General Oribe. and did not
come within the treaty with General Rona The with-
dnwal of any Interference on the part of General Roses
was ; rovided for. He hoped the French government would
egret to the treaty.
Lord EDDISBURY said the formal ratification of the
treaty hat not yet taken place.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that since the subje-t had
been before diseaseed it had assumed • different character.
He underyood now that a treaty hid been alined, but not
rat fled, which had been contracted only with General Rosin
and that no treaty had been entered into with General
Once. Consequei t'y the Oriental republic was left in the
condition in which it was by the former treaty. If any treaty
had been made with General Roses, and the independence
and anority of the Oriental republic was not provided for,
we had done nothing, for it was the only object of importance
to us (Hear, hear.) As to General Roses, we had nothing
to complain of, to ask for, or to expect, but the independence
of the Oriental republic. He was at a loss to know
for what other object a treaty could be entered into.
It appeared to him • clumsy arrangement to
enter into a treaty with General RPM without
coming to any understanding with General Oribe.
We bad a minister who was well calculated to carry on
e friendly intercourse with this government ; and yet up to
this period he had been admitted into the presence of
General Rotas. Even after the treaty Ind been signed, and
therefore after the ratification, by the last accounts oar
English minister, haying put himself on the footing of entire
friendship with this government, had actually not been re
ceived, and had not been allowed to appear in the presence
of the governor. How long was this to last ? In inch semi-
barbarous government it was quite aboard to talk of diplo-
matic etiquette. After all, there were limits to insults
and be end think that this was the most anbeard.of
thing that had ever taken place, that an English minister
newer jenny, first, as a friend, afterwards signing a treaty of
friendship, should actually not be received by the govern-
ment with which he was on terms of friendship. How long
was he to sit in the antechamber of this commander
Roses r at what time would it be convenient ter him to
eater H. (the Eel of Aberdeen) could not say, how tar
the answer Risen by the g eeeee merit was an answer to the
question which had been put.
After a few woods from Lord HOWIAN and Lord COL.
CHSITSI,
The matter dropped.
Tee Margate of CLAN RICARDE laid on the table some
papers relating to the north of Ireland.
- Their lordships then adjourned.

On the motion of Sir W. VERNER, a return was
ordered of all national s:hools in Ireland which have been
erected, or to which the commissioner have contributed
assistance towards the fitting up of the schools, adjoining to
or within the precincts of lilniaa cathodic chapels, nun-
neries, or monastic institutions of any kind, from the 30• h
day of April, 1843, to the 31st day of Do.cember, 1849 (in
continuation of parliamentary paper 520, of session 1843).
The house then adjourned at 20 minutes to ten o'clock.

Sir W. MOLVIWORTH paired off with Mr. ADDIIIILST on
Mr. Disraeli's motion on Thursday evening.
Mr. PnTU and Mr. R. STEPHENION paired on Mr. Dia
raeh's motion on Thursday evening?

nrelzig.