The Express.
London, England, 1857-07-18 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 18, 1857.

would venture to predict that in two, or at meet three p.m,
the whole munificent scheme of Indian railways might be
nompleted. (Hear, bear.) In Madras the railway engineers
had e..n counteracted in every way by the Company's
inspector, although labour was so plentiful that
he hal obtains,' 20,000 men et 3,1. a day each,
and he spoke in the highest terms both of their
docility and gill. Whenever ho made requisitions,
they had to pun through a moat tobous aoceession
of formalities from the council in Calcutta, to the Court of
Directors in London. thence to the Bused of Control, and
from the Board of Control back again, ea that antler this
miserable system of routine the word reeve." wee coin-
pktcly obliterate I from the national Cautionary. (Hear,
hear.) In the etas of the &hide Itailwey, vain, the peu-
ject had been started throe years' since • 332.0001. Capital
bad been p up, and as yet not a tom' bad been turned,
while 1340,0001. remeined idle in the coders of the "loot India
Company. Ileshould net detain the house with tltedetailiof
what he supposed would be sneered at u a mere practical
question, but let it bo remember vs' that the neglect of mere
practical questions had led to the leastem in the Crimea.
(Hear, hear.) In India, ho believed that if this practical
queetion had been settled the prevent alarmiug revolt would
have been crushed in the bud. (Hear, hear.) Ile hoped the
house would appnach thin Tteetion with a 4.tertniuetion
that the capital which had been raised for the construction of
Indian railways should nut be idle in the coffers of the East
India Company. Ile believed that ail that wan required was,
that the present ridiculous aytacm of obstruction should be
removed, end that the money subeenhed should be expended
on the purpme intended. The hon. member concluded by
moving—"that the slow pntgrets of the East Indian railways
involve; danger to the military occupation of India, and re-
tard. the development of the indutarial resources of that

entojecte which had been brought before the hour —(a
lough)—would venture at Let to bring forward hie share.
The noble lord (Palmerston) had rid that their days were
numbered, but he reminded him that their duties were multi-
pied. Ile did think thee the bones would vacate its
functions and plea itself as regarded the country in a mat
ign amideea positiou if the prevent reran were to close with-
out there being • debate =la ducession in that house en the
affairs of India. lle thought it their fleet duty to outrider
the rate of our Indian mature. (lire, bear.) He bad
underiatood from the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
V. Smith) that certain of the papers—those papers
which contained • mere merrier of whet had
taken place—would in the rune of the day be laid on the
table. But se regarded the other papers, which were to give
information as to what had occurred before the outbreak fur
some menthe previously, they had been told that no warning
of the impending mutiny had been given to the rvernment.
Now, if the government were marching among its erehives
for this warning—(a laugh)—the house might wait to no
purpose, laud be told at the toot moment that the search was
fruitier. 'Tree, therefore, without welting fur thew letter
rs pape, he thought that the houae, having bufore it anarrative
of wl at bad occurred, ought at .nearly day to prooeal treks
nto it. deep and Senolllll considerstion the affairs of India.
The noble lord the member for Louden (Lori John Hurt')
seemed the other day rather inclined to smear at the neeerity
for die:urine tine question, nod to think that
all to be considered wan bow to put the out-
break down. But he would venture to soy thee
it was totally impossible that the hour could form any
idea an to whether the slope to be taken by the government
were adequate to the emergency of the ear, tinier they
knew something of its origin tied ranee. (Ileac, hear.)
They bad ben told that the rising "prang from
• aupposed Moult to the euperstitious forting,. of the
n dire. If that were so, prompt sod energetic but to a
certain event superficial measures might meet the case.
But if the caner of the outbreak were deeper, then mea-
sures ef a far different character would be required. 'tenet
in dirt-ring the subject the house mnst of nervily
take a wide view of the causes which her led to the
recent outbreak. (Hear, hear.) He proposed on the earlier
we Won which wee conairent with due notice to the hoest,
and sit% the convenience of the government to aek the
hour t consider the primer rendition of India—ffret, with
mead to the dale of the recent outbreak; and secondly,
with regard to the question whar ber the means taken by tee
government to quell the outbreak were efficient. Ile would
propose to the noble lord that he should It. some day, RA
early as parable, fur the consideration of this question. lle
should, en that occasion, make a meotion, not conceived in
hostility to bee Majesty's government—not with • view to
any party triumph, but with a view of pleaung before the
house those ideas which occurred to himself and others, on a
aulject which he feared was one of the most moteenteue of our
time. In conclusion, he would suggest that this day week be
given to tho matter.
Lord PALSIERSTON—Sir, I am quite ready to adinit
the pofi,lol2 which the right hon. gentleman ham Ned
down—that it would be expected by the country that this
hour should, bare it separate', give its attention seriously
to the present state of the affair. of India. At the Patllo
time as I mid on a former merino, I should
think that the house would wish, at all events, to
have the papers, that honourable members ma
raid them before the debars, My right he
friend the President of the Board of Control has bra looking
through the papers, and he has made a selection which will
be sufficient to rive every intimation. Theme papers are
now in type. The right hon. gentleman euerteets Friday
neat; I, however, suggest the probability that during
the next 'reek there will be a mad in front India,
which cannot foil to bring tidines of tweet impor-
tance. I therefore submit that Monday week will be the
better der% and, if accepted, I will take care that it shall
be rewerM4 for this queetion.
Mr. DISRAELI accepted the offer of the noble lord to fix
Mowry week as the day for discussion.
Me. ROEBUCK asked the right hon. gentleman, who
maid he should propose certain resolutions, whether duo adies
would be given daunt
Mr. DISRAELI did not wish to bind himself se to the
terms of the moths. He would frankly say, however, that
it would not be hurtle to the government. Anticipating that
the government would not gave all the papers he should re-
quire—(elwers)—he had thought of movior for additional
paper, ; but inasmuch so it would appear that the pawn
were not to be limited to those to be laid on the table that
night he did not know whether the further papers would
contain the requisite information.

tionntry.'
Mr. V. mid that as regarded the impediments
alleged to bo thrown in the way of railway projects by the
govirrmont of India, it should bo recollected that the bitter
gave a guarantee of live per coot. on the money invested, and
that, therefore, it was very natural they should exereissmome
impend/inn over the expenditure of the money. (Hear, hear.)
In some cease he believed it had been expended in a meet
lavish manner, and this made a little supervision ail the more
necessary. Railway padres for India commenced in 1t419,
and since the Bast India Company had given gua.an-
teen of 30,230,00 N., and that guerantav amounted to
a very serious, charge on the revenues of the company.
No danger nerd be apprehended to our military operation in
India on neeetuit of the railways. The Indian government
were not open to reproach on this question. They had tun-
fined theumelvca to certain trunk hum, which were progress-
lag mart satisfactorily. Bo far from the Indian government
wishing to keep the money in their h►nde, they would njoire
if the railway companies would remove it, and proceed with
the railways as, fast es possible. The delay in the pro Treas
of the railwaye was owing entirely to the companies them-
wives, for the East India Cowpony woo willing to allow them
to proceed at any rate they stashed. The question we. one
of private enterprise, in which the house was nut called upon
to soterfere.
Mr. CRAUFURD beliove,l the romplaints of the hen.
member to be unfounded, The railway with which he (Mr.

Craufurd) woo connected had undertake to construet a line
about 1,100 mile. in kagth. The evetrait was entered
Into with the Heat Indio Company in 1819. In 1851
the first pardon of land wee greatest. In 19.13, not lees
than 129 mike of railway were opened. There were at pre-
sent in active eonstruetion 900 mike. During the het year
the amount expended un construction wad 1,700,000., of
which sum 823,0001..1a for permanent way and bridge...
Besides these payments. nearly a quarter of a million had
been laid out in the parches) of redo and other heavy ma!o.
There wee no ground for statinv either that the
railway minipanic, were aelerp or that the Emu India COM -
pray were in the slightest deges. atmeedeo to the
IaIWIP which had been brought against them. But he agreed
with the hon. member in rendouniing the system of eeper-
eta= exercised In India, which was in some respects per-
hotly ridiculous. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. OILPIN considered the explanation of the right hon.
gentleman the Secretary for the Board of Control highly
satiefietory. and trusted the hon. member for Yarmouth
would not pre.. his amendment to n diva eiun. (Hear.)
Mr. Al RTON said that in addition to the 1,000 miles
under conetnetiou in Bengal, there were, in thecowse of eon-
stmetion, wen Bombay, 224 mike; fri= Madras, 300; from
Surat, 100; and 2,000 mike additional hail been euzveyed.
It wee wrong to say that the government in India had leen
rein= with respect to railways. On the contrary, it was of
so weak and vacillating a character, that it inn inter the
danger of °entangling railway. with too much rapidity and
without due 'Nerd to the beet intereste of India.
Mr. MAUI said the extension of railway communiestion
in India was intimetely =lanceted with the development of
the reamwrica of that country, and he did not think the ex-
tension had teen very rapid. The Great Indian Peninsula.
Company's bill waabrought in in lit-, but mil not proceeded
with on account of the oplasitien of the Feet India Com-
pany, and remained in aboyence till 1845. The contract was
completed in lett., but in 1097 only eighty-tight miles of that
railway had been opened. One of the greatest wants of
India was ferility of oomniunication, which was on de-
fective that the costal the conveyance of cotton waisomething
like doable the teat of its cultivation.
Mr. WILLOUGHBY cautioned the het= against billet-
ing that the number of miles which had actually 110-12 opened
during the last six yearn and a half was any Index to what
would- be the cam in the time to come. 110 lieliesed that the

PULP PARCHMENT.

Mr. DI LLWIN -italea-tie-iit.e;;tit;tl-ef the honeo to the

manufacture of pulp parchment, and inquired of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer whether the manufacture of that
article we. allowed to continue, pending the decision of the
Court of Exchequer, as to whether or nut it was paper ; end,
if so, under what conditions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
' the manufacture wee to be allowed to proceed on the home of
the wanutectunir keeping an account end undertaking to
pay duty if foiled liable.
The motion fur adjournment woo withdrawn.
The original motion that the house at its tieittz adjourn to
Monday was alaved to.
THE LAMBETH ELECTION.

Mr. 'NMILI moved that Joseph Train., then in cus-
tody of the Serjeent-at-Ano., be &wharfed without pay-
ment of fee.. The ivitnees had now been confined for four
ohm, and there appovred to be some mitigating eireunistanece
ating hi. case.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought that he deserved confinement •
few days longer. Ho would not however oppose the motion.
Agreed to.
STATE OF OCR DEFENCES.
On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. BENTINUK rolled attention to the elcoreations
he had slready made upon this subject ; mid that
hie statements had not been referrel to by the noble lord,
and concluded by saving that as nothing had tnuippired to
alter his views, he should at the earliest opportunity bring
the subject under the consideration of the how.
Lord PALMEItSTON said that so many questions bed
been brought before thallium on the motion for adjourn-
ment to Monday, that he had, he admitted, forgotten to
notice the statements of the hon. member. He could not
agree with the hon. gentleman in thinking the country we.
in • defeneekee state; on the contr.ry, Le was of opinion
that we were quite secure from any unforeseen attack, let it
come from where it might. With regard to calling out the
militia, he ennoeived that such a step was wholly unneces-
sary, and that its only effect would be to mute • large SUM
of money, and put the country to • great dual of very melons
inconvenience. (Hear, hear.) When the bon. gentleman
brought
the matter before the bowie he trusted that he
be able to meet the remarks which the hon. member
might see fit to make.
_ THE INDIAN QUESTION.
_ _ _

system punned in India with regard to rail Mine Moo the
moat perfect that could be devised, smiting ea it did, private
enterprise with the trontrol and supervieon of tho govern.
mutt. Well, would it have. been if in this country u similar
system bed been pursued ; we should not then have so men'
which did not afford an adequate return for the capitil
expended upon them. (Cheer..)
The amendment woe then negatived, and the Speak& left
the chair.
On the fiat vote, 500,0001 for the Persian war,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCllligl" ER said thit
after the long debate on the previous evening, it would
not be expeetad of him to enter again into the
question of the policy which boil been putout,' with regard
to rasa. The Persian war had been mainly a war to main-
tain the indepeedenie of the town of Herat, whieh had been
recognised, not merely by her Majesty's resent government, '
but by many successive goventotents, a. a cardinal Mimi in
oriental politica. When, therefore, the independem e
Ilerat wee threatened, and when the town bud been at tually
occupied by Persian troops, the government felt justified in
instructing the Indian government to mend an expedition to
the Persian Gulf. But for our Indian possessions, the occu-
pation of Herat by Perlis would Imes been a enter wholly
unimportant to this country, a malice not more directly con-
cerning English interests than the enriqueide in Central
Africa by the King of Titubuetisi or of Dahomey. The
government would therefore have been justified in fuLloaing
the precedent of the Afghan war, and of throwing
the whole expeeso upon the Indian Treasury. Looking,
however, at the general politico of they felt justified
in anieeteadmg to repay to the Indian government one halt of
the eateasednery expense of the war, in tbo event of parlia.
went easellesig that strangeinent. He need bunny say
that the unietteliks °idle government wan entirely condi-
tional upon Ike meat 14.ent; and if, therefore, the
house was peapend to the engagement, it would be-
come its thitybe repay the hey government the 'manor.
lion stipend. No time bad been tined for the repayment.
At that memo* there was actually n considerable aunt due to
the Had labs Company on account of the last Chinese
illtrwa:tfbeea to andforitawvoultUlibQn ardor e d.
t'.'it,y.l:'-fiehtis
tabt"re..end
count.
bear. Ile woe happy to say that it would in-
lobe esly an adjustment of Recounts, inasmuch as
&ilea India Comp-my owed the government a emu equal
Sir that which they claimed; but nevertte leas it wan a fat
bat the old Chinese war itecount could net be fluidly ad-
=without a vote of that house. (Hear, hoar.) Early
erasion, before be wan able to (am soy praise view of
the probable met of the Persian expeditin, he had stated
that the sum required to repay the Indian geveniment would
be about 161,00. inernmently, he hid been üblo to obtain
from the Knot India Company a further estimate ; but that
low ail' an estimate only, and until the mounts were dl
made out he could not give the house the awiet vet of the
war. A short time ego be bid niveivol Iron the Indian
government en assurance that if the ens of half a million
was repaid in the course of this session, this would be as
much aiv would bo needed ; and, accordingly, he hod
laid on the table an estimate for that want. The
total elm which they would ultimately hove to
pay, as fa as could be now ascertain-LI from the bill of the
East India Company, would be laid en the bible. The total eget
according to that document would be 1,803,000/., one half of
which would be something over 900,0001., the amount duo
from the English exchequer. The sum now prop,o d le lug
400,40011., would thus leave a believe of 100,0E101. Since the
estinnee had been laid on the table, be (the right lieu.
gentlemen)) had received •communiemion from the chairman
dale beg India Gnaw to the elfeet that ill consequence
wiles lbw mailaped of money from the hod en
losalarlos, awl la ernerentece of the probable interruption
erbkh the collection of the revenue would receive, it would
lea matter of convenience for a larger runt than 309,0001. to
be paid. lie (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should
lberefoye probably have to ask the house for a aupi crummy
vete to the extent of 300,0001 or 400,0001 on lbw account.
Ha wand now Nan to the committee the position in which
err Mad with mud to the operation. in China. The
been bad abaft been infuneed that ordeie had
been me est to Singapore to divert from their
ikedieges at Ism Kong a portion of the no-
=elide bed hem despatched to that place.
Lord bed anticipated that step by adme-
n(
a letter to Gel in the subjeet. They must there-
fore export that • portion of the military fun es
destined for Chiba waddle lent to India, and therefore the
and of those toren mad de% not upon the English trea-
sury, but epos the arms st India. The commit.° were
dews* mew Ilka when t e theesn's memento were com-
manded if the lila 4:leay the expense fell upon
baba, ad aid yea be exchequer. Undo r these
dreaminess II wed& nil toriemery to ask the house to
agree* tamp sum ea 11111teedi„ for the military port of
the Obbellllllll.llllMlN. lie ask for only 400,0001.,
whin ble btiMtal went be sufleient ; and hie right hon.
Masi Cille C. Wale !odd re for • supplementary naval
ri two votes wouhl not exceed
se wpm ekedjiiv. Exaggerated apprehen-
ilica let a to the probable preemie
imeAtha eleamplee,eitelag out of reeent occuereacca
aft. own ~ln to eisficulate upon„tlditt
.sub-
jog bataiLs crizi =trio. siryhatevers.tz. al
of
11114 etcrimellabad, be did not ~7.2.l7,ineeeitatyd
which would sent
eaft abishartn) be strati adobe her !digest)! s go-
Mind ellaollocit betted to the probability of having to

Lord J. RlifilariOar thei;;;;;tailti of explaining I
that the right hoe. gentlemen, the member foe Buckingham- I
shire (Mr.-Disraeli), misapprehended him in euppoeing that I
be thought the emotion of the present state of India was not i
a it eubjeet for dbeman • what he hod said was, that at the
present moment, the affair taking the shape of a military I
revolt, the first thing to be done was to put it down ; after- i
wards there ought, no doubt, to be a serious discussion of the I
matter. Ile doubted, however, whether Monday next was not
too sots to enter upon that discussion.
INDIAN RAILWAYS.
Mr. WATKIN, in rising to call attention to oar End •
Indian railways, stated that it was in the year 180—I4 years
ago when the attention of the government of India was
first called to that subject. Sines *het time the United KW-
dons had become a perfect gridiron of railways, while in •
India, even taking into sclotest thoee alienable tramways, •
not worthy of the name, there were of railroad but 380 miles. •
In looking for the causes of sad a state of things they could
not overlook the heavy balances I. the Indian exchemer,con-
elating of the capital deposited for them projocte. An..thrr
came was that it had been the parte( the Court of Directors
to concentrate the schema in the hands of a few companies,
instead of dividing them amongst numerous projertors. The
result had been the production in nine years of 380 miles of
railway, whereas the whole as might have been com-
pleted, and 11 complete, the late dinners in India would
never ham occurred. If,
_lke instancy, the railway
from Bombay to Delhi had been ooinpleted, troom
might have been mat, es they amved, to the
some of action in three days, whitm as addre stood at
present it weld be Deposals under any pressen to get
them there la Yin thin 30 days._ (Hear, hear.) The chair-
man of the Indian Ceealted, in 1848, stated before Mr.
Bright's ea endues hie that, so imperative was the
neorneity la India for the government should make
then if no paste maid be obtained for their
essolnietion. net w in INS ; end now in 1857, under
then of tholes. compeny,
_mly 300 miles had been
nee
Slues Iles there had tern a debate, in the
came et Alit the Cholera at the Covet of Dinneen
Wad 30 =Mem al withal bed beet intecribed
Ix riglrapi, thsi the (rely dilloally vie the
delkithey at dike te trampet the died wok*. It was an-
intonate that all emelt had been Mt by imam atalementa
al alleged fact; bat -le this ere the Macy we. wore than
weedy traargewed. How was It that no difikalty had been
brad is *nig rails to hawks P In the nine years to
width he lied mashed the Awoken* bed found shipping for
11,900,0110 tees at Iron, the grastme portion of which we for
the peneemest way al 00,000 tam et railway. (Hear, bear.)
An that we. seated to be weetreated In wee 4.000
=Sae, and yeti pleaded fled the whams ware Wog wp
eddy by the f adiryiss. (Hem) He wee at algae
to buoy slip*, atthernellas el crops aheahl be son
diMealt b ladle dew Is Anwskre new wee se lawyers'
Hie la lad% se elllealty sherd the bed, awl whir re=
le lobar It was sal, gridis at a law poop • day,
the model weal writ al Os eley .1 thew
howl es the upon Ha mod met WNW the here with the
retwelimee le he =pealed *as the Irearaid beaky el
Wawa; he had abeedy alledel be the twit el
tre
bat be heated that the ere et theeekielles M
empledes d the inilwaya wash' erhie the mar
the In
tha otwer le the agars pat deem
waratm did dew at
he I:FL A. UN dew
wesiles Eat la/la liethenkr Hallway, with
Ile IS saw aps. all 1,007 tli to .e teal, awl the
Meth Itelkeerollth thee lir depth, whearthed,
mils awrMwYOs maul the sculls if 111" del le make.
Tie Nem et lbee thew thipeth w, is Vs spie, the 6.
WNW seskinee et the Ere haft Cespety, le Ala be
le Se oases et Mr. Stowe.. (The boa
maisetheli el.= wed the thew d Mr. etevethem,
et the rob eindee dna le the my of ranger webs Alytho
breethrib eespay • essie.) They poi
thothems Yethenlaa ever the troths, end teeth
we thee thelsathrtheelmis etheleuthrlothilt the
=hi% la Ss
eithealethe rairkilthe won (Ifearethie)

provide any additional astintatea 'beyond what he bad stated.
v 18,600,0001. far repayment of the charge on Recount of the
Persian war; a supplementary vote of 300,000!. or 400.000 L
more on the same account ; 400,010!. for the expedition to
China, and 100,0001. for the supplementary naval estimate.
With tvgsrd to ways and means, he thought he coalit satiety
the house that the exchequer weld.' bo amply suf-
ficient to most all thew additional charges. In the
first place, the estimates he bad Irwin of the
receipts fur the financial year ending Aptil I bad
fallen short of the actual amount ; whereas the
estimate of expenditure had turned out to be in exam. In
this 1.1 inner the exchequer was letter of than he bat calcu-
lated by nu less a gum than 1,869,000/. Besilui this there
i had been a further gain upon taw, eitfee and sugar within the
list quarter which amounted to 0a10,0001., the fall which was
cants-hid to take place In the duties on those wades ou the
let of April Laving caused a greater reek ipt in the quarter
following that date. The same thing hat happened with
regard to the malt duty, which had also calmed the estimate
from that article to he exceeded by half a million ; so that at
the present limo the ex dfispier woo richer than
he hod c acidified it would be by the sum of 2,860,006/.
Against this most be sot the fill taring charges,
which ho lead not Included in the estimate he gave

btbility, prove but a small frasstien of the charge they reels
going to incur. It wee not often In that house that ho
ventured to take except Ons to what fell from his right bon.
friend the member for Contbridge, but he could out help ex.
pressiug his dissent from lot language—that, dissenting and
differing from the polity of the China war, yet on we had en-
tried upon it, and es we had made, as he presumed, certain
demands, the honour and dignity of the eountry were con-
cerned in enforcing tho eshostisn of those derreintle. With
the opinion that he enterteined respecting the procesdintra to
China, he could not hear dente words without respectfully
withholding his tweet from them. The epithet whit it those
prow tidings deservod was the one which, since the meeting of
the presort parliament, had been used, if ho watt our-
rectly reported' by his noble friend the member for
the city of London, who said that the transar •
lions in Chins were flagitious tranisetions. (Cheered
Without hesitation and without qualification be doubted,
without a fuller knowledge of what had taken place, that
those flagitious transaction., for the reason that they bad be-
gun, Loot be married to their determination. And here be
veutured to revert to a subject which was toaterial with re-
gard to the China question. At the period when the tr.oia-
&client; in China a too largely dioeuta.d in parliament, it
would be recollected that the vindication of the proceedings
of the British authorities diwndod almost eutirely upon the
mirertion that the British flag WAS thong upon
the lord's Arrow when oche was Primal. That assertion

at the beginning of last 'melon —Sound due. redelopilon,
1,135,0001.; additional charge on account of Persian expe-
dition, 231,0301. ; expedition to Chins, 400,000/.; supple-
mentary navel We, 100,0001.; Princess Itoyel's dowry,
40,0301. • toted, 1,910,000. To thee must be added the addi-
tional cieree of 300,0001. on account of the Permien expedi-
tion, making altogether 2,210,0001., against rho 2ee0,0001.
cease of the colluded receipts. Ulcer, hear.) The ou-
mittee would thus see that the exchequer was quite in e
state to sort the charge. that it would hare to Leer. (Hear,
beer.) This state of thing*, should be remembered, had
been actually realieed. It did not depend in the !cut on
e.tionate ; but at the name tinto it would not be ueressonaLlo
to expect that during the remainder of the year there would
be :e further gun upon cone other branches of the revenue,
beyond the aunt which ho had set down no the produce of
those depertmoute. (User.) Under than ciretunetances, he
tended the committee would agree to the vote,
Mr. WALPOLE said ho found It difficult to reconcile the
statement of the right bon. geutlentnn with a paper v.ltich
bed been laid on the table of the house on the 18th of June,
by which it apprnred that the Eset India Compaq only took
credit for the reteipt of 230,0001. from the British Treasury for
the periol between the let of May, 1017, and the 30th April,
183 e. Hu was for from saying that this was not capable of
expLenation but it appeared to him that some expntion
was requital. With regard to the estimate for the China
war, which last week was 600,0001., he would only say that
if that war was to be prosecuted for the minxes of obtaining
the satiefection which the government thought duo to this
oeuetry, he should be sorry if the government embarrassed
thenieelvee in any way by felting a Ices sum because some of
forceswhichwere intended for Chtnawerediverted to India.
Ile hoped the government would not cripple themselves or
the ensile by which they were to got the satieGiction which
they comedered due to this country ; fur though ho entirely
disarmed with the government iu the whole of their China
busintsfe—(hcar, bssr.)— he wee of opinion that once em-
barked iu the question, the honour amt credit of the reentry
were at Wake unless they obtained that reparation which they
thought we were entitled to. (Hear, hear.) The East India
Company would have to leer a charge of 1,0e0,600/. for the
Persian eepedi'ion, and in addition to this they would have
to meet the charges consequent on the unfortunate outlive*.
There would on three accounts be between 3,000,0001. led
1,000,000/ chargeable on the finances of India tem 101
abate the probable receipts which the Company
_wadi kern
I to meet these charges. Notwithatanding whet had teen mid
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, ho thought it would be
found that they must advance something more for the great
operations which must necessarily be carried on in India, be-
(roe the Rest India Company would not be able to bear the
expense. alone. (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said it did
did not appear to him there was necessarily any Inaccuracy
in the 10.31,1 meat pat forward by the East India Company.
The 2130,0001. was, he rnosuned, the sum which they esti-
mated, when the estimate wee made, would be repaid to then,
in the pretend year. But since that time en arragement was
mode to repay them 600,0001. That would be the whole
amount which the government would call 1,11 parliament for
during the present widen, were it not for the recent unhappy
occurrences in India. Thu probably would make it desirable
that the government should lay on the table a supplemental
estimate on this recreant.
Sir E. PEItItY said that this was the first time this
country had been called on to pay for a Persian war. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer 'mid it wee a cardinal point of
policy to maintain the independence of Herat. He wan
aware that opinion had been cleared by the government of
F,ogl end for the lust 20 years; but he did not believe it wee a
sound policy to pursue, or one that had the support of the
greatest Indian etakernen. 'lend woe distant 600 miles
from the Indian frontier with a wild country intervening and
it was a delusion to spend English money on such on object
as the otti.pation of Herat. He was of the opinion which
Lord Cawley expensed to Ferukh Khan, that it was the policy
of thin country to see Persia strong, flourishing, and inde-
pendent.
Sir E. COLEBROORE expremed his ratiefaction that this
country was to bear a portion of the expenses on the account
of the woe in Persia. Although there were lessons for our
feeling jealetes about the occupation of Herat, because when
It Amami• a portion of Persia, Elwin would have her agents
there, and would take every opportunity of pushing her ir.-
trigueo near the confines of our Indian territory, yet he
thought it wan for the advantage of England that Persia
should be strong. its therefore considered it bad policy on
our part to weaken the harrier between Rufus and our
Indian empire. We did our best, however, to destroy the
military power of Pereia, and to lay it more
.prostrato than
ever at the feet of Reedit. He did not shave in the sanguine
expectations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer with respect
to the revolt in indite. He did not believe the fall of Delhi
would terminate the struggle in India. The revolt had gone
too fir for that, because it extended to Central India, the
l'unjaith, and Itohileund. The utmost they could do at
the pr sent season would be to maintain the line of comma-
nieetion between Calcutta and the north-western previews,
and to collect the revenue till the cooler Keeton, and the troops
now on their way to India arrived. The revenue which wee
derived from opium and other warms would fall off and he
fed not think it would be possible for the East India Com-
peny to carry on this groat struggle from their own revenue
without assistance from the treasury of this country. WW-
I eves were the expeetations of the Chancellor of the Each.-
goer, he cautioned the house that they would be called on
to give sun* &madams in this way, and the house ought, in
kb opinion, to art manfully in supporting thereto the struggle
In which they were engaged. (Hear.)
Mr. AXICTON said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer
told the house that the British government cent directions to
India to the effect, that heir of the expenses of the Persian
war were to be horse by the Indian government and half by
the 'frith& treasury._ Now, sa far no ho could collect, it
was elpressly provided by the statutes relating to the govern-
ment of India, that the revenue and resources of that country
were vested in the East India Company, and were not at
the disposal of the British government. If this were so, he
should like to know from the right hon. gentleman by what
authority the Brinell government sent an order to India to
apply the revenue of that country to British purposes, in an-
ticipation of a vote of that house. He believed this applies-
! tion was wholly contrary to law.
Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY complained that ministers, in-
I stead of coming down first with =estimate, merely submitted
to them a bill to pay. He asked, supposing 10,000 or 12,000
soldier, were sent to India, who was to pay the change 11
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said Mr.
Ayrton asked by what authority the English govern-
ment impuest a charge on the Indian revenue, and raid the
statutes in forte did not give 'them the power of making any
such charge. The course was this : the President of the
Board of Control by the authority vested in him by the eth-
ernet had, through the secret committee of (ho haat India
Company, power to send out instructions to the
Indian gevernment either to make war or for any other pur-
pose. When he had sent thew instructions the Indian go-
vernment carried thee, into effect, and if they involved any
expenditure, then, by their authority, the expentlitere was in-
tarred. That ho believed was the course which was adopted
this year, and which the con.fitution with regard to Indian
attire altogether sanctioned. The hon. member for Evesham
asked who was to pay for the troops sent from India. The
expense of the troops fell upon the East India Company,
and elect the expense of sending them ; but there wee • ques-
tion now under renaiderat ion, which was, whether theee troops
whose original de,tinatiou wan Chine, but who had been
directed to India, should be charged to the East India Com-
pan_ y. That point we. under consideration.
Mr. GLADSTONE said the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
in his address to the house, did not confine himself to the
particular vote, but he went into other particulars with te-
pid to the China vote and the disturbances in India, and he
finally made an important reference to the state of his own
balances, and no doubt it was for the convenience of the go-
vernment at this period of the session that (ho right hon.
gentleman should connect the several subjects together.
With regard to the Persia vote, few of them
would be surprised at the announcement that the
awn required, which in March was 26.5,000/., and which
shortly grew to 500,000/, should now be 900,0001.—s toler-
ably rapid increment. When the 266,0001. was fat asked
for, the house WAR told by many of Its members what the
reality would turn out to be, and those raticinations had been
too literally fulfilled. With regard to what bad fallen from
his hon. fnend the member for Davenport, he would make a
single exeeption. lie thought he made somewhat too large
an admiseein in saying that the maintenance of the inde-
eradiate° of Herat end keeping It free from the power of
Pectin, had been a cardinal maxim of policy with every
British government for the last twenty years. He agreed
with him that it had been an object to be desired, but
having been a member of two governments during the lest
twenty yearn, he ventured to say that he was not swam of any
act that was done by the government of Sir Robert Peel, or
the government of Lad Aberdeen, which regarded the main-
tenance of the independence of Herat aa an object that ought
to be pursued by England, even to the extremity of war.
After the complaints on the subject of the expense of the
Chime wars, the Chancellor of the Exchequer entered into
some vindication of the policy of government, but he had •
triumphant argument to which he did not refer, but which
he thought he might have used sa moat cionchudves
which the subject would admit of, the argument
founded on the division which took place teat night
when that bourn declared by a mejoeity of sixteen to one
either that they approved of the polity of the government, or
eke that that policy did not deserve an adverse vote. He
thought that alter that divide's it would hardly be respectful
to the borne that the small sod feeble hand of dleserniente
should divide the house on this vote. He CAM) melt to the
vote with reward to China. He was afraid that the 400,0001.
which they was about to ask of the boon would, la 01l pro-

vigorous prosecution of the war ; the goy, rnruent
never said they were at war. (Hear, hear.) If Canton
was taken there might be a prospect of obtaining all
that was demanded; but what could a naval force do when
the differences were confined to Canton 'l The gun-boom
might destroy a number of junks' but that would make no
alteration in the disposition of the authorities at Canton.
Tho only effietual we that could be made of the naval force
would be to blockade the northern ports. But there had as
yet been no hostilities at these pots, but, on the centres),
trade was carried en without any regard to the hoatilinee
bstween Commissioner Tensed Sir John llowring— (a laugh),
—he therefore wished to know whether, aa there was only a
naval force in those tons, it was intended to blockade the
northern pots in order to obtain a compliance with the de-
mand. made at Canton. but if that was done the partial hoe-
. WM.,. would be turned into a war with Chum, for the impe-
rial goverment beet considered the empire wait attacked. Ile
really wished to know what was the view her Majesty* go-
vernment took 01 this matter, and what was the meaning of
his noble friend's plimea that a sufficient force would still
remain in China P Did he mean to transfer Imatilitiee to the
north, rn ports end make W. IT on China ? Ho should also
like to know what was the present object of the*.
hostilities; they lent Leman became the governor Teemed to
make an apology in writing, and refused to return on board
the larch. the men taken from her, whom ho had already
returned at the consul's beim. What thepreeent demands

was couteeed at that tier, hot they were told there were, be for tee was totally ignorant. Ile wished to know
was not the slightest ground for doubting that the ilaig was whether it was inten led to emytert the hoettlitice into a war;
flying. Now trem information conveyed to him. he did not and, if so, what were the demands to obtain which the war
epeak of it es conclusive, but ha !pike of it as having reached was to be carried on P
him on high authority, from exeleutively British &flume, the Lord I'ALMEItMTON said—lt epprarse, stir, that my noble
Brien flag was not flying on the tomb. Arrow at the time friend ant the right hon. gentlemen ('Jr. Gladstone ) retain
the wan seine, anti it was accompanied by the unequivocal their former upinimus with regard to what took place in China—
declaratien that the whole British rommunity at Hong Kong (cheers) ;—they aro perfectly welcome to retain them ; the
and Canton wag aware of that fact. (Meer, hear.) That was people of England Live deci'led that questiou— (cheers)
a matter on which it we important to have every ireforma- therefore whether toy nelee friend think. these proceedings!
lion that the government could give. Well, of course it was flagitious, en t whether the right lime. gentleman =opts and
vain to take objection to the payment of the charge of the war ennetione that opinion, is • meter of total indifference to
in Chine. On every legitimate cession, on every othadon that her Mteenty's government. (Cheers and laughter.) Yea,
afforded horso of ntoppieg or obstructing &course of proceeding of total indifferente. We rest on the sanction which the
which he believed to be fraught with dimsrem to the eountry people of the tinted Kingdom here given to these proceed-
-(cheers)—he at beet should not be wanting in the per- logs. (Cheese.) We are perfectly content with the week
fornusnce of his humble part, but the withheeling of the of the appee to the petele mcsinst the noble hotel and the
money would have no effect. Sir IL Willoughby had made right hon. gentlemen. (Cheere) The right hon. gentle-
a jute remark in Feinting out the falseness of the pennon man hats told UP that he is perfectly Mined in tame wonder-
in which the cernmitice wan peered in being called upon to fug information derived from es gentleman whom he has not
vote money for the expense of the war, not by way of esti. condescended to name, that the flag wan not flying on board
mate, but by way of account. That was the case with regard the lercha when she was h girded by the Chinese,
to Tereus. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had told them and has argued as if the whole case turned on that fact.
to-night that although the charges on Persia were already in- In the Snit place I beg to remind him that it wee proved by
carnet, yet he woeld not have called upon them now bat for the eye wee:mem that the flag was flying, and the blue peter—the
financial necessities of the East India Company' which were so signal that the vowel wee about to pail—elem. And the
serious that he might be requested to call on them for whole case did not turn on the fat tof the flag flying, but on
400,000/. It had unhappily occurred that in the case of the feet that the veonel wan lying for many days at Canton as
Persia and of Claims they were called upon to provide for a British weed, and the Centoncno knew she was a British
hostilities commenced without the concurrence of parliament. vessel. I redly sheet I have thought that my right hon.
He hoped this would not grow into tho usual practice of go- friend had had enough of the lon ha epic:neon without en-
vernment. Tho Chanodlor of the Exchequer had en- dravouring to threat it so urine:wearily into this
devoured to administer comfort to them with regard to the debate. (" Hear, hoar," and laughter.) My noble
dieturbenees in India by saying that the expense would be a friend, however, has asked a Inestion much more
charge upon the Indian government. He did not derive AO appropriate to the intent unfit r ditteureion. My
much connotation from that as some other members perhaps noble friend has evidently misunderstood what I said on a
did. Ile thought, with Sir Robert Pere that there was a fernier occasion. I did not say the troops had been with-
reel and virtual connexion between Indian expenditure and drawn from Chine, but that certain troops had not =-
British finance. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer went rived at China, bat had been ordered to rendezvous at Sine
beyond title, and intimated that a direct demand would be Rayne. On their way they were diverted from their original
nine by her Mejetty'n gevernment on the House of Cone dee million, and sent on to India. (Hear, hear.) But no
moonin connexion with the expenditure necessary for the orders have been given to withdraw temps from Chin ; and
supprocion of the Indian disturbance. Now, he was far there are troop. there now sentient for all purposes for which
from saying that if his right hon. friend made such a demand troops can be required. Then, as to what we intend to do ;
he would he wrong, but he told them, by way of comfort, surely my noble friend meet know, for it has more than one
that he did not intend to make it during the present been stated, the course the government are pursuing in nee-
seeplon. So far from that being a comfort to him, rence to these affairs. It is well known that Lord
he was rather disposed to make it • mutter of cone Elgin was sent out with instruction& to ended.
plaint. If the East India Company required support, eniei. roar to enter into orminenication with the govern-
sere should ask at once for an advance of the money. meet of Pekin ; and until the melts of there oom-
He admitted, however, it would not be convenient, am far ae municatione are eacertained by Loel Elgin no further opera,-
the balance of his right hon. friend for the year was con- eons of magnitude will be undertaken at Canton ; indeed,
rented. There was an inconvenience in the mode in which the season of the year would render any eoneiderable opera-
he had stated the account that evening, as he brought Into eons by land in the interval undesirable. My right hon.
the credit of hie operations for the precut year the surplus friend the First Lord of the Admiralty in going to propose a
revenue front bet year. A Chancellor of the Exchemor'
rif vote for an increase of the number of men for the navy, and
he had a deficiency none yetw, would not charge hinuelf ho is about to &end out a force of marines to reinforce the
with it in the next; so neither if he had a surplus, ought he fleet. A certain number of gunboata has all* been eent out,
to take credit for that. The surplus of the annual revenue which had arrived at the date of the last account.. My
I was always devoted Leforettand to the extinction of debt, and noble friend says when these have arrived they will destroy a
ought not to be carried on and treated as available means in fleet of miserable junks. Three venerable junks are war
the hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. (Hear, junks of great magnitude which materially interrupted the
hear.) As he (Mr. Gladstone) nnierstood the cue, there communicateme with Hung Kong, and when the whole of
wee atilt a surplus. In Match, the Chancellor hat cal- the gun boned shall have arrived, I have no doubt they will
cabled on a mules of 600,0001., which by the increased be enabbel to give an ecconet of three miserable junks.
revenue derived from the malt-tax, and the duties on tea (Cheers.) The inane we are punning, therefore, is this—we
and coffee, had been dace mired to 1,500,0001.; it now ap- are not going to make war with the northern ports, because
peered that the extraordinary expenditure to be provided out they ere in mow bieudly relation with the British merchants;
of ways and meatus (leaving out of question the Sound Due.) we are going in the find place to do that which, according to
was about 1,100,0001., including 630,000/. for Intia,4oo,ooo/. international usage is the tined thing to do. A gest outrage
for China, 100,0001. for a eupplerneete naval estimate, and hes been eommitte, by tho local enthoritic of Canton—we
40,0001. fur the Princess Repel, leaving still a emelt surplus., address oureolvee to the Emperor of China for redress and
which, however, would not go very far if he had to ask par- utiefaction—we wed a special MilMloll, from this country to
liatuent to tweet the East India Company, and to make in endeavour to enter Into negotiations with the imperial
June or July the dirageemble proposed which he would cer- government end lc he certain demende upon it. e% e are
tainly have to make in March or April next, Of course the not at war with Chtha at the present element. (" He
Chaneellor of the Exchequer did not wide more than any hear," and "oh .") There hssbeen a colleen between the
one eke, to anticipte an evil day, but still, if he rthognined local authorities., Chinese and British, at Canton and Hong
the right of the house to have the first information as to Kong. But that does w t constitute war between Englon
public chergee, and the earliest means of exercising Its and China; and we must hope that the Imperial govern-
judgment on the mode in which the resources of the country meet takes that view, sod be ready to afford that sate-
en to be applied, he ought not to delay making such a pro- faction whet wilt render vete unnecessary. But in
pout to them. He (Mr. Gladstone) cordially and entirely the penile° event of a different fusee, we are needing out
concurred with the hon. baronet opposite in deprecating a military force to Canton to act egninst China
what appeared to be a growing practice of entering into mile should the Imperial government refine or be unable to give
tart' expeditions, often involving high question., the ex- us the satisfaction we demand. We do not think that the
pewee of which afterward. came before the house as matters divergence of the force which we ordered to rendezvous at
of account, and not ma estimates; and with regard to each of Singapore will stake any difference in the tonne of the opus-
these operations as had for their theatre the empire of Chem, lions. We hope the negotiations will render further hustle.
he could not allow the vote to pane without repenting in brief ties mercenary ; but should that not be the cue, we shall
but emphatic term, the strong rentiments of pain and sorrow he prepared to prosecute those operations in a manner that
with which he should ever regard the occurrences of the shall enerce the reparation we demand. (Bear.)
lapt few years. Mr. DISRAELI—The noble leri rays the opinion of the
Mr. MANGLES expeceed his perprise at the tone and right hon. gentlemen and the noble lord the mem-
teepee with which the house had received the demand of the bee for London is a metier of perfect instillers
Best India Company. The company bed advanced the elm to him. (Cheers and thlincer t lacers.) I will leave
whole nuns for the war, and when they called on the house to the nolle lord the member for Lemke, and the right hon.
ropey it they ought not to be treated in forme peuperis— gentleman to settle that question with the First Lord of the
(hear, hear)—and be told that the cum was given bemuse Treasury, when the opportunity et/era—(hem) —but I cannot
they were in web diffieultic on account of the disturbanceest help noticing the meson why the opinions of gime ewe
in India. Whether that country was disturbed or not, if eminent members of this house are a matter of such indiffer-
they were honest men they would pay what they owed. The once to the noble lord. The noble lord says it is because
war for which the money WAS advanced was their war and the people of England at the late general election pronounced
sot that of the company. (Cheers and laughter.) Ile did an opinion on the subject of the operations at Canton, and
vet deny that the war wan undertaken for Indian punnets. that appealing to that national opinion be can afford to deplete
The possession of Ilene by Persia would endanger the into- the opinion of those two dietinguiehed members of the
grey of India, but he had nothing to do with Mr. Murray House of Commnt. (Cheers and laughter.) But, sir, If I
ea hit quarrel; he only asked the house to pay a debt look to the general verdict that wan given at the late election,
which was honestly due for money advanced, and for which it was one, as I understood, in favour of the vigorous prese-
ntly had charged no interest. (" Hear," and a laugh.) If they cution of theme with Cleina—(clieters and counter cheers)—
borrowed it from anybody else they would have to pay in- and I ant not sure that the people of England will be dis-
trait for it. It was • great object with the Feat India Corn- posed to look upon the present tenemente of the noble lord
pay to get the money. They drew about 4,000,000 i. an- with that period indfference whirl he is so ready to extend
malty from India to meet their expenditure in this country; to his noble and right bon. friends. ("Hear hue," and
end in the present state of India it wee desirable not to draw laughter.) Is the noble lord perforce= the compact he
for a chilling more than was absolutely nthemeary, and there- entered into with the country at the bee election ? (Cheers.)
fore they wished to get any money that was due to them in Is the war being vigorously profteented P Why, it ia no war
this country. With regard to the future, the right boo. at all,' according to the nottle lord's present account. (Cheers.,
gentlemen !withered to anticipate that the East India Coin. laughter, and count( r duce) Are these hostilities being
gamy would be forced to oak for peemary &Matinee; it was earned on vigorously ? Three ere. acconteg to the noble lord,
Of men impossible to say w might occur. The con- no troops there. (Hear.) Why, the very bees on which par-
lance of a century had been broken. The &mom, Semen was desolved, no longer exists, and for ennoble lord
who, from the days of Clive, had been uniformly to get up to tell members of this house that he treata their
faithful, had proved false; but as fax as be at opinions with indifference, because ho is hacked by the
present could see, he had every reason to hope and opinions of the people of England, when he is leaving the
beet that if they could prevent the spread of the present people of England altogether in the lurch, is certainly to me
dkalection—and up to thin moment it was confined to the most extraordinary. (Hoer, hear.) And whet is the second
l=the main portion of the countrythatinuing eminently point in the noble lord's observations? It was • charge
eind he might mention that, thanks to the exertions of against • member of the committee fee having unnecesearily
Sir John Lawrence in the Punjaub, the people of that country, dragged the Chinn geese= into our delete to-night. Why
so recently conquered, continued eminently loyal, and so tree we hive here a vote of 400,000/. to defray tho expenece that
to their °elvers, that when any sepoy deserters cam in, they have boon incurred in the Chinese waters, and the noble
gave them over to the authorities—every Pun)aub regiment lord says we aro not to dinettes the subject of China,
was faithful, and Sir John Lawrence wee raising large levies (" Hear, hear," and " oh, oh.") No doubt these diecuesiona
in that district—it they could prevent the spread of deaf- are inconvenient to the government, for the people roue
faction, he hoped and trusted the finances of India would be naturally ask themselves why are these hostilities with China
seffielent to bear the expenses. So far from public credit not vigorously prow:Med, and why is the vindication of the
long shaken, the Five per Cent. Loon was drawing honour of England, which, Iwo months ago, from every
better during the Let few weeks than it had done before, and hustings in the kingdom, we were told was meentary, be-
-470,000/. was subscribed between the 2nd and 12th of elm. pertain, and requisite—shy is that delayed? (Hear, hear.)
With regard to the lees arising from the plunder of the pub- Bence the pulley of the noble lord in our own poorcesions--
lic treasuries, up to the latest accounts it did not amount to in an important part of twr own empire, has brought about a
more than from 140,000/. to 200,0001. It was true state of affairs which calla for the mercies of all those energies
there would be great difficulty in the collection of the revenue to support our role over that part of our own empire
be those districts next year, but two Presidencies were totally which wore required for vindicating our honour in China.
whited and several of the richest districts of Bengal. As (Loud cheers.)
liras le could sea, he hoped not Lbe obliged to make any Viscount PALMERSTON—I must really take leave to
eminthe In de goverment k pecuniary aid, but if congratulate the right hon. geneeman on hie belligerent in.
dcemeselese to oat otherwine, mil the disaffection spread, tention. (Hear.) I accept it with groat pleasure, and shall
he wits inee ne Hones of OSMIUM would remember that count on his support when the a lion of there operations
Tara weeds kernel gentort seat valuable part of the shall crown the wielice he eo ereently exercises. I can
awn, sal got gay la. tie geesianee for which she ensure the right hon. gentleman he will not be dicippointed.
triad, (Harr hoer.) We are punning in the proper coulee the (elect which the
The 04.1NCELLOR of the Exclusives then rose, bat people of this country, Old I tom, happy to find the right hon.
pee way to gentleman, CO ardently deeres—(4 Hear." and laughter)—
, Lord J. RIeSSELL, who said that as he had not heard namely, redress for injuries and the vindication of honour.
bin right hon. friend's Comer statement, ho wished to men- But we thought it was beet to follow the meal course of
Itie some points an which he desired an explanation. There international negotiation, and to apply in the first plaoo to
IRIS some inconvenience in mixing up the discuseion on the government of the country by whose agents the injury
line subjects of such importance, and he should (tontine had been committed for that mime, before proceeding to the
Walt to China. He would not enter into the question of extremity of war. The right hon. gentleman lays I complain
the morality or justice of the proceedings there ; they had of the subject of China being introduced into this debate.
been properly characterised by the right hoe. gentleman (Mr. What I compleined of was my right hon. friend the member
Gladstone), but he wished to learn something with regard to for Oxford University reviving the question of the lorchn. I
the nature of the homiletic now being carried on at Canton ,• could not ooenplain of tbe subject a China being introduced,
for, however he might disapprove of the war, he still wished seeing that that was the subject of the vote.
the reputation of the country tobe maintained. It appeared that Lord LOVAINE thought it would have been well if the
the Maglieh authorities there attempted some time in Oo- British authorities in China heel thought it necewary to
labor bet hostilities against Canton, but from that time op apply to the government before commencing boetilitiee,
pis kart areenta in May nothing had been done which hutted of boutberding a defencelese town within 12 boars of
coda rpm Ihe !authorities at Canton with any seam of the first demand for retirees, and destroying hundreds of lives,
the anisilly it yielding to our demands. On the contrary, and he knew not how much property. (Oh, oh.)
we Ind seneetel *or the position we held some months ago. Sir C. WOOD had already steel that he did not believe
The reereb item thence stated that the naval force there there was any truth in the story of tie bombardment of a
was eat sadist ace cis nature fit to enforce our demands, defenceless town, and he had within that last fortnight re-
and that ana i. lee WWI required, which should take reeved a letter from Sir M. Seymour, stating that it Ira• not
the he&ta Aber and the city itself and hold them true that ho had bombarded the town of Canton or *brawn a
teats ses 41/111111611111111 prated. 'Two or three nights ago single shell against any but public buildings. (" Oh," and
the rib bed the Pis Minister stated that the trope counter cheers.)
II Ohba weld be required in India, nil that Lord LOVAINB said that the books clearly showed that
lrialreela- beta eel to Lord Elgin it Om to theveree a regularbotubardment. (" Hear, hear," and " No.")
=le Me ire could find hi rah that Mr. ROEBUCK—WiII the right hen. gentleman produce
battle noble Led war on to ow lbw would that letter? (Ilear.)
still be a faros at Canto:lole eillehr erhereerglience See C. WOOD—The litter I refer to is a private letter
with the demands of the IfiIaIMIEL errs gave (" Oh, oh," and laughterlL—from Sir el. Seymour, but I will
rise to a men= which he MI net led* the 'erudite* bring it down on Mon y night, and shall bees no "be
would think of very coneiderabie imposlonst Me could un- ,}action to read eke paragraph relating to this matter to the
defined that if a land force was la reweita el Canton, home (Hear.)
it might make the viceroy yield. The eeereltre rear re- Several members here rose to epeek—Lord LOWAINTI
collect all this time they were not at war setellireadbig amongst them—but
the Manny declaration of rations Weary isms be the „jar, DIBIIIILIA caught the chairman's eye—lle said,