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Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-11-27 00:00:00

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'IIIIROII 014' ENtRAND ED.tiCATIO
• SOCIETY`.

• A letter dated St. Petersburg,Nov. 16, says :
" The fact of a shot having been fired from the
fort at Yenikale upon an English vessel of war has
caused some sensation
.in our cffleibl world ; the
heads of our commercial houses; who have branch
establishments, in the towns of the Sea of Azoff,
after the experience of the sad events which oc
curred there in 1855, show some anxiety respecting
the many commercial interests engaged there since
the peace. No one here doubts that the Russian
Commander was perfectly justified in preventing
the English vessel from entering the Sea of Azoff
to prevent the capture of ships engaged in smug-
gling."

On the invitation of -the Church of England Education
Society, a number of gentlemen assembled at a public breakfast
at the Adel* Hotel, at nine o'clock yesterday morning, to
hear J. C. Colquhoun, Esq., who consented to'visit Liverpool
for the purpose of addressing the friends of education on that
all-important subject. The chair was taken by Edward Crop..
per, Esq., and among the clergymen and gentlemen present,
we noticed Archdeacon Jones, Dr. M'Neile, Dr. Taylor, Dr,,
13:Mee, the Revs. J. C Ryle, Charles Hesketh, rector, North
Meols ; W. Falloon, T. C. Cowan, J. B. Lowe, C. W. LaW..
rence, D. T. Barry, B. S. Clark, Sluthport ; Rorke, J.
A. Wilson, Woolton ; J. Herbert Jones, J. R Caner, W.
11. Wrieht, A. Knox, S. Minton, W. Pollock, J. Bardsley;
Major General Lawrence, Captain M'Neile, Captain Greig,
Hon J. Cunard ; Messrs. Adam Hodgson, Ed ward Cropper,
W. .Gregson, John Tarr, Alfred Castellain, Hilton flathead,-
J. W. Cropper, Charles Liman, C. W. Newman, Charles
Parker, James Sterdns, R. L. Jones, W. J. Tomlinson,
M. W. Collett, B. Hall, John Eden, Christopher Bushell,
W. Jones, E. Batty, and J. K. Rounthwaite.
After breakfast had been partaken of, the Chairman, in a
few brief observations, introduced Mr. Colqulioun and the
Rev. Mr. Ryle, who, he said, would address the assembly on
the subject of education, in connection with , the Church of
England Society.

NAPLES

A letter from Berlin, dated November 20, in the
Hamburg Gazette, says

"It is affirmed that the Neapolitan Govern-
ment has addressed to Prussia (in reply to repre-
sentations made by the. Prussian AmbasSador at
Naples, with a view to a reconciliation) a memo
randum, which has also been communicated to
the other Cabinets, and which is looked upon by
the Cabinets of Paris and of London as a step
toward concession.

Mr. Colquhoim then rose and said : I am sure Mr. Rvle
and myself ought to return our thanks to you for your kind.
ness in, by no means a genial morning, coming out to meet us.
We take it as a testimony of the interest you feel in the cause
in which we ought to be all interested—the cause of education.
([sear, hear.) I will not make any preface, but proceed, at
once; to the business, as many of you are business men, and
have other duties to attend to. You will have remarked two
speeches lately delivered on the subject of education, both by
members of tho House of Commons, and men of eminence and
high position. I allude to Sir John Pakington and Lard
Robert Cecil. (Hear, hear.) Lord Robert Cecil says, and•
says truly, that the cause of education at this moment is in a
critical position, and is in a state of trial. He says, and I
think too truly, that you have no choice but either to ke' p the
system you have—that is the system of religious education
generally, tinder the ministers of the various religions bodies
in the country, onto establish a system pf thoroughly seenG
education. He sees clearly that all the different plans of
education reduce themselves to these two; and he says his
conviction is that the cause of religious education established
in the country will come well out of the trial. (Hear, hear.)
Sir John Pakington, on the other hand, at Manchester, and
apparently with the assent of a very large audience, took a
different view. Sir John Pakington says that the cause of
education in this country, or the system that has been estab-
lished, I should rather say, has been tried and found
wanting, and that the sooner we change it the better ;
and he points to various other systems which, in his
judgment, ought to have the preference. He takes the system
of the United States, and he says that has been most effectual,
that is, the general system of distribution into districts, with
rates levied in those districts, and the schools placed under tho
management of district bodies, who are somewhat like our
vestries. That is, in general, he secular system of education
in America. He says that has been very effectual in America,
but without troubling you with details, I will remark that we
have full information on that subject, information which has
beets fully delivered in the House of Commons, and from which
we learn that America labours very much under the same
difficulties and evils that we do ourselves. There is a vast
population in its large towns and cities—take the city of New
York as an example,, here is a large proportion of its popula•
tion who do not enter schools at all, Therefore, it does not
remedy the great evils of which Sir John Pakington complains.
It rather adds to this enormous evil ; and, according to the
testimony of the American ministers of almost all ir.rsuasions,
it is most injurious in its tendency upon morals and religions
faith. (Hear, hear.) Sir John Pakington referred to another
system, which I know well, but it is somewhat singular that it
should be presented to us as one to be adopted in the same
breath with that of America. He takes the system of education
established in Scotland. Now, certainly, some of my friends
here know well what that system is ; but, I think, he would
be a bold man who would propose to introduce into England.
the system established in Scotland. No doubt there is a levy
of rates, of school rates upon the land for the support of the
schools ; no doubt the landed proprietors, as we call them in
the north, the " heritors," have power over the schools, hut
the schools are virtually placed under the direct supervision and
control of the ministers of the established church, who watch
over their religious education. To talk of that in the same
breath as America is merely to say that the established church
is excellent, and that voluntaryism is excellent They aro
opposite systems altogether. (Hear, hear.) No doubt the
Scotch system might have done well two centuries
ago, but to talk of the Scotch system as
a system to be intredeced into England nqw is
altogether visionary, But turning from these p)'nt ,en which
I cannot help thinking Sir John Pakington is in error, I
come to one point, and it is a very important one—it forms the
ground of our appeal to you to-day—on which I think Sir
John Pakington perfectly correct. He sums tip his statement
of the condition of education in England at the presentmoment,
and he takes it most trully and fairly from the reports of the
government inspectors. He quotes many of these reports.
I will give yon in a few words, far I do not wish to trouble
yen with quotations, a summary of the report which is giveh
by one inspector, ar. Norr4s, a man of great competence, of
great fairness and great influence. here is the view which he
gives of the condition of education in gnglanit, and he takes
portion of this district, almost your own district, for his report
includes Cheshire, Staffordshire and Shropshire—here is the
summary of Isis report as inspector of this district, as to the
educational condition of the country :—" Btight spots there
are, but how few and far between ! In driving from one school
to another, what a breadth of distance the • insp;ctor has to
traverse. What a mass of neglected population lie on his
right and on his left !" 'I he other. inspectors give you very
much somewhat the same aspect of things, They tell Lis that
the educational darkness of England is great, and there is one
fact I will give you, for I think it is an indication of one pars
tion of the evil—they mention that.even as regards the best
schools which are inspected in England, out of every 100
children that enter them, 65 leave school within the twelve
months. (Hear, hear.) S.) that 0 out of every 100
children iaie less than a month's education. (Heir; 'hear.)
In the great county of Yorkshire, great in intelligynce and

"The Neapolitan Government endea.vours to
decline the responsibility of the conflict by proving
that it is not the Naples Cabicet-which is unwilling
to a reconciliation, but that it arises from the
conditions hitherto asked not being equitable.
" The memoranduM dwells particularly upon the
moderation and conciliato'•y sentiments of the
King, and mentions as a proof that his Majesty
thinks the moment has arrived when the Neapolitan
Government, without compromising► its dignity,
may consent to equitable demands of the Western
Powers."

THE ROMAN STATES

BRIGAND CONFLICTS.
ROME, Nov. 20

For want of warfare on a larger scale to talk
about, since the allied powers seem to limit their
operations in Italy to telescopic observations of
King Bomba's attitude, we continue in this part of
the peninsula to take interest in the movements of
the hands of outlaws that infest the patrimony of
St. Peter and the southern provinces of the eccle-
siastical dominions. Signor Arringa, so lately a
prisoner in the hands of one of these marauding
detachments, has just returned from Velletri
with the satisfactory intellgence that two of
his aggressors on' that memorabte occasion
were slain in an engagement with his Holiness's
gendarmes in the beginning of last week, in the
neighbouring province of Frosinone. A landed

proprietor of Anagni, whilst returning from hi;
country residence on the evening of the 11th, was
captured by five brigands, who were apparently
fully aware of the fact that their victim was a man
of substance, for they detained him in durance
vile with the • usual pleasing accompaniment of
impending death in case of non-payment of the
ransom demanded by them, which, in the present
instance, was limited to a thousand scudi (X 210).
Having recovered his liberty at this modest !mice,
the mulcted proprietor roused the authorities to
active exertions, and the few gendarmes stationed
around being united into a flying column, and
reinforced by a small number of gardes chempetres,
the whole party set out in pursuit of the brigands,
whom they succeeded, after a laborious forced
march, in tracking to a walled cabin. Under
cover of this impromptu redoubt, the bandits
accepted battle, and a lively fusillade was carried
on until, two of their number having bitten the
dust, the remaining three fled, and left the allied
gendarmes and guardiani masters of the field and
fortress, although not in a condition to pursue the
flying enemy, one of whom is supposed to have
been badly wounded, as he mysteriously dis-
appeared during the headlong retreat, whilst
the remaining two were observed to scale
a distant and (to gendarmes) inaccessible emi-
nence. This important fait dames took place
between Anagni and Guercino. The casualties
amongst the detective forces were limited to two
men wounded, the gendarmes Rinaldo Raitnondi
and Vicenzo Calvalenesi, to whom, as well as to the
rest of the party, and their (tom mander, vioe-brigadier
Angelo Marchiafane, the Government has ordered
due rewards to be allotted, On examination of the
brigands' corpses they were judged to be inhabitants

of the kingdZmi of Naples, and to have crossed the
frontier into the Papal States. probably from
Calvieri ; and on subsequent public exhibition of
the bodies, they were recognised as having taken
part in similar enormities both in the province of
Frosinone and that of Velletri.
Among other individuals able to throw some
light upon their identity was Signor Arringa's
coaehman, who was sent for from Velletri to inepeet
the defunct marauders, one of whom he instantly
recognised as having played the part of the sham
fewer patient who attracted Arringa's attention by
trembling and shaking, as if in an ague fit, on
the road side, just before the remainder of the band
sprung out and stopped the earriage,
We had rather art audacious feat performed by a
gang of city robbers two nights ago upon the rev.
person of the Padre Procuratore of the Barnabite
monks of San Carlo in Catinari. • This venerable su-
perior had just received about four thousand scudi,
more or less, for accounts vary as usual, rand the
robbers, determined to gain the prize, of which
they had obtained intelligence, secreted themselves
in the church adjoining the convent et the usual
hour for closing. Towards midnight they pane-
; .hated into the convent by the sacristy, marched
up to the Padre's room, and made him give
_up the
money, threatening him with instant death if he
cried out for help, and tying him down to his bed
for greater security. They then returned to
the church, hoping to escape, but the doors
being locked, and not bolted, as they expected,
they resolved to wait for the usual time of
opening, so as to rush or slink mit s opportunity
offered. the worthy Padre, however, obtained some
means of corntrinnieatiOn with his venerable
brethren, and intelligence being forwarded to the
brigata, daylight found the robbers still prolonging
their uncongenial visit to the church, with
gendarmes guarding the entrances until permission
could be obtained from the Cardinal Vicar to effect
the malefactors' arrest within the consecrated
, •
premncts.

activity, but great also in its manufacturing industry and
labour—in the great county of Yorkshire, if you go to one
door of the school and receive 100 children, you flod that' 88
of _ the 100 are gone in a twelvemonth, That is a sad case
_ .

(Hear, hear,) f do not agree in all that his been'said by Sir
John Pakington, but I do agree with hint when he says, that
the state of education in this country is not satisfActory—
(hev, hear)—that the condition of the country in that respect
is nearly deplorable, and do say that it is necessary for 'nu
intelligent and earnest men, for you, as representatives- of this
great commercial community, and possessing, as such, influence,'
wealth, and power, to look in the face of this state of things.
(Hear, hear.) Now, there are two facts which I sheuld like
to bring before you before I proceed to suggest what appears
to me the remedy, because there are two facts that throw light
on the matter, and though in appearance in themselves foil of
what is discouraging, yet 'they, in fact, act as fingerposts to
point out to you the form, motive, and character of the remedy
.required, One fact is, that egt of 25,000 schools connected
with the Church of England in England,' there are only 4,000
which are in so good a condition that they are capable of
receiving and do receive the insection and help pt' government.
You are aware that government gives their assistance an
certain terms, They require a cot fain degree of instruction in
the master and mistress, certain books and other necessaries—
in a word, they require in fact what is absolutely essential for
a good education. There is nothing, I am bound to say,
unreasonable in the recinirements of government. (Hear,
hear.) They only require what every clergyman will ask
as a matter of necessity, for the good education of his
school ; and, therefore, I do not pit the government re,
quirements in this matter as extravagantthey are, on
the contrary, most reasonable. But, yet, out of the
24,00 u schools, there are only 5,000 which have reached
that bare position that they eau receive government help.
The ether fact to which r referred yetil4 this. take it
from the report also of one df the government inspectors,
Kitchell. He has charge of a district whiCh one
would say was not very poor or degitate, for it includes
Essex and Middlesex, counties in which you would
imagine assistance would be got as easily as in aqy part
of England. (Hear, hear.) But yet he gives you the
appeals of a dozen clergymen, and the number could be
doubled if it were required, and they all say, "It is im-
possible for us to go on—we are overwhelmed with our
school engagements—all the burthen and expense of our
schools fall entirely on us." (Hear, hear.) Some are
obliged to close the schools ; others keep them open with
utmost difficulty, and say these things cannot go on.
(Hear, • hear.) Now, I do not wonder that Sir qohn
Pakington should lay his finger on sucks facts as these,
and say to the people of Manchester, "Look at this 1 Is
not this a state of things that cannot endure ? Should
you not deal with it and put it down ?" (Hear, hear.)
But I would suggest that we must take care in dealing
with these evils not to adopt remedies which would merely
maiie the disease worse. (Hear, hear.) No doubt we
know that the Chartist' and the qacialist, vthen ire looks
at the evils of society, says, "Look .at' the. misery of the
people 1 Is not this intolerable ? Pull society to
pieces! Down with all the evils of property, which is
selfishness, and of manufacture mid trade, witich are
grievances ; tet us pull them all down, and establish
society op a new basis !" We should pursue a similar
Course in education, if after we had got together the mass
of evils which there are, and the mass of defects which
there are, we should say-4, Look how monstrous thiS is I
Let us tear it to pieces "' (Hear, hear.) There are some
evils in education in every community, with which it is
impossible for us to deal. There will always remain—
there remains in America, where the sYstem, winding to
Sirjolin
Pakington, is pbe7rfgeoevt,crwnhineeren;_yoUthheareverveemr4yinlisttiT
but schools i
America, as in England, two great, classes of evils. The
one is the large class of the population who are oppressed
by labour; who find it difileult to make the two ends of
the week to meet; and who, the moment a phild can make
anything, put that child into a factory, or into a forge, or
in some other work. (Hear, hear.) That is an evil inci-
dent to labour, and the complications of society, and it is
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an evil which it is impossible for us to deal With. Thep
,Uatntecirly depraved,;ewhhao:lrtes they do not
care in their children for that which they do not" value or
enjoy in themselves. It is quite clear that you will always

In the northern pyovinces the safety of travellers
by the public conveyances is now provided for by
regublr escorts, and English visitors to the Eternal
City, by the way of ologna and Ancona, are not a
litile surprised to behold the diligence between
those towns followed post by an open van, closely
packed wall a detachment of Papal infantry,
fearfully exposed, it would seer, to the enemy's
fire, Should the brigands ever think of preparing
an ambuscade._
Notwithstanding all these impediments, Rome
is filling most rapidly, and by the way of Civita
Vecchia especially, arrivals are extremely numerous.
The circumstance of political events, rendering a
visit to kiraples imprudent, at least for families, is
favourable to the hotel keepers and tradesmen, not
to mention the lovers of gaiety in
Exchange on London, 471 f. Roman Consols, 89i.

444,4 the sitting of the 6,erman Diet of the 20th
avll.t, the governments of Austria. Prussia,
+ti 'rttl, end Baden, notified to the Assembly that,
exo
ttib.;eution of the resolution of the 6th instant,
Nv;tr,""e to the affair of Neufchatel, they had
,114% ',Med instructions to their diplomatic agents
.114,ti‘:tlited to the Swiss Confederation couched in
e'llae of that resolution.

The Transatlantic Company's steamer Turin arrived at
lanoa on the 19th, having made a most prosperons voyage
from Portsmouth in eight days and 20 hours.—Corriere
Mercantile. _

The ship Clara, a collier, left Southampton three weeks
ago for Sunderland. Another collier Left Southamptcn
afterwards, and had reached Sunderland, loaded, and wat
on her return voyage, and had not fallen in with the Clara,
and nothing had been heard of her. The relatives of the
crew, seven in number, consequently became alarmed.
On Tuesday last, however, news reached Southampton
that the Clara was at 13rouvershaven, on the coast of
Holland. She has no doubt been driven on that ooast by
the recent prevailing high winds.

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RUSSIA

Th •
oa thireport that Prince GortschakofF had issued
it7r circular relative to the pending questions,
7%ttter, faolte measure confirmed by the following
~,(lated Berlin, Nov. 21, addressed to the
ci4vurter Zeitung
$ 1111ce Gortschakeff has sent a new circular to
:'(ieih:Plornatic agents of Russia abroad. This,
V4t alludes chiefly to the actual state of
,I:4l,;,,',",dcritieises severely the attitude assumed
th-"Pa and England as regards the execution
*9'4 Treaty f Peace. Although the question as
(1.111; the Island of Seipents shall belong in
cad is at least doubtful, Russia is nevertheless
'IRIZ' Cede on this point to tiro demands of
5 T4s, .4gd Austria.
hlAo;
aregards the posse.ssion of Bolgrad, the more
t question of the two, .Russia declines pro-
10'401'g a decision alone, [lnd on this point
the. decision in Common of all who signed
-alltleira-ttLtY, of Paris. IVore cannot be asiied of
Austbriu a.;14 gnsiand have opposed

THE LATE JOHN ARXault HERBERT..--Eng lish art has
recently sustained a severe loss in the death of Mr.
Oson of the Royal Academician,
uriac, in France, and was Jwohbinch AtorotkhuprlaHceearbtersti
occa-
stoned by an attack of typhus fever. He was the author
of "Phillip IV. of Spain Knighting Velasquea," one of the
most admired pictures in the exhibition' at the Wational
Gallery this year, and one which, by its genuine feeling
and historic truth, attracted the special commendation of
her Majesty and Prince Albert, who highly complimented
Mr. Herbert on his son's success and promise of future
distinction. The painting itself, we beliave, was pur-
chabed by the ex-Lord Mayor, being selected for his lord
ship by an academician whom he had commissioned to
purchase the best cabinet picture in the exhibition. Mr.
Herbert, at the
'limo of his death, was only in his 22nd
year. He had been educated at Qspott College, under lnrWiseman, and after leaving selidol had studie4 Paintigg
under his father, with whom he had spent two years and
a half in France. The bo_dy has been brought to;England,
and buried at St. John's Wood.

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' have leer ffinlibeell Of the populattott of those two classes, hail all these titrincs*eflt Nike, he should testify that theee that unless a man had Inese good health, Mid was, to 0 eel.,
and with these I confess I do not think it is possible for I was the greatest possible difficulty in carrying on educa- in his time, such things 6,uid
us to deal. There are evils, however, with which we can i tional work even in that parish. What, then, must it be
not be done. He hoped no taro extent, self-sacrificing
w; however, things were looking
deal ; and if you bear in mind the facts which I have given ,in parishes where there was no such landlord or schools, better in the town, and that increased attention had been
you in regard to the 20,000 schools so low in their state— I or where the farmers were not at ail aware of the value of
a state, recollect, produced by poverty—you• will find the , education? (Hear, hear.) What meet it be in the case d given to the subjeet. Hinrev. friend, Mr. Pyle, had ~iren
cause and the remedy which the Church.of England Edu- of schools which consisted of four bare walls, with holes
115 s opinion on Vof the capitation. fees. - He (Dr. Hume) differed entiie subject o,' lcr;al taxes and the Increase
cation Society suggest. My friend (the chairman) on my for windows; where there were scarcely any books;
right reminded me that I must take care to make plain where the children came and went as they pleased ; where from him; for he believed that education would never go
the subject by figure+ I entirely recognise the justice of they slept—(laughter)—er played, or learned, or did on as at ought to do without local rates. It was necessary
that claim, and I hotie to demonstrate to y j
ou, according nothing, ust as the humour se:zed them ? Theight on ground of -p If had local
to Cocker—(laughter)—that there is a remedy within our imagine what sort of educatien was given in such y schm ol os ratesthe for the puniehingmoral the child that did they
wrong, then
reach, if we will only apply it. But I make one provision, —,(hear, hear, —and yet that was the condition of he entreated tLm to have them levied for the protection.
and I hope you will grant it tome in return for the solution thousands of schools in the rural parishes of the country. of the child who did well. That they were bound to do,.
of the problem, and it is this—that you are not. to look The question then -arose, what was the remedy for that
sounbtBchreibg2rrosu.ntdo othfemcoaruasleitye.fpaedrtuiceualtajorinty_esootwehaherem,nhwtehhaerey)n—
it was to be regretted, with their means,llthat they did not
everywhere on things of your own, but also on the things state of things ? and they had men of all classes, and of the very small number of gentlemen in the town who were
of others—(hear, hear)—that yon are not merely to be all politics, coming forward with . one. It appeared to
that man appended as
foundan
theyd
ratified with your position in Liverpool, as a great corn- him that these remedies might be divided into three.
bs ereitbteh further.evnerer s
aw. Oneth e mliaanmwe ooufl d
called that his calls were so numerous that he could not,
hear)—another
seem very glad
mercial community, and tell me, as I dare say you truly There were many who, seeing the position of things
can, that your schools are adequate to your, opulation, respecting education, thought that nothing bat an educe-
and that you have overcome difficulties. I see some of tional rate could ever meet the necessities of the day. my friends shake' their heads and Se* that that is not There were those again who said that there shou'd be
andawood. done:
qtpo
eSanryvery report
glad in t 0 theirsee I ityheesm---,, (he
wouldar,
accomplished; but, even if it were accomplished, I should more private benevolence, in order to meet the exigencies .
be dissatietied if you stopped there. (Hear, hear.) I of the case. Both of these plans, he, for his .part,
want you to do much more. I want the people of this believed were simply delusive. He had very strong to think that they had -called, and would almost thank therm
great and large town of Liverpool, possessing wealth and objections to anything like an educational rate. He for so doing, and for asking for the subscripti (Hear,,
on,
influence, to look also on the districts of England which believed that they would introduce the
greatest possible hear.) But from such gentlemen he always received the
possess neither. It is utterly impossible that the remedy nuisance into the country, if they established an educe -
we suggest can be applied if you are to be satisfied with tional rate amongst them .subscription with some reluctances, because he did not think
(hear, hear), and he hoped that, *it was fair that such persons should be pressed by such calls.
simply providing for your own schools, You must do as whatever might be the conclusion of the people in regard
in all the great enterprises of English philanthropy—you to education, they would not have such a system. (Hear, He receiveil•of such men, melt who always expected to pay,
must, aslrom a centre, distribute the wills of your benefi. hear.) It was well to bear in mind how many were the in the expectation that the churlish man might, by and by,
cence to the less favoured districts of England. The objections to an educational rate. By it, they would be compelled to givein the like manner. But, strange to
Church of England Education Society arose about three strike at the root of all private benevolence, because say, the print plea of local rates for such purposes;
years ago. It is still in its infancy, hardly out of its where money was taken out of men's pockets by law, existed at that moment in L verpool, for they had
cradle, but it has the experience of nearly three years, they would not
give that voluntarily, which they were at the north - and south end of the • town the,
and lam bound to say that the experience is satisfactory compelled to pay, willing or not (hear, hear) ; and the corporation schools, and if, in the place of one at the
to the extent of this truth. It has received about £2,000 result would be, that the burthen would be too heavy for nurth and one at the south, they had three at the north and
ghe
the
townot
swoon: i
of
ftt
yha_t i
Liverpool
w' a
st
a year, and it has distributed that in the way ram going to the shoulders of the countrY*o bear. By it, they would three at the south, he believed that great good mould he
describe. Allow me to fix your attention on the fact that introduce into every parish, elements of discord. (Hear, the resun (hear, hear)--and he did hope that some of the
there are at least 15,000 schools which are below the point hear.) They had sufficiently exciting topics at present, gentlemen present would notrdkliuonopgsoeneftshti
at which Government says they are fit to be handed over and if they had, in addition, such a rate to discuss at their But there was another point which appeared to him tooin.
and inspected. I will take one of these schools. It comes Garishlooked
districts,insteadof meetings, the cauldron of discord and confusion,be
to us; we are asked for assistance to maintain the seething and bubbling too much already, would boil over. school. We grant it; we give, say £lO, a small sum (Hear, hear.) He did hope that they would look this matter
ata that Practicala
ift
bolastiht
e e
wash hoard ogadrrdiedt nai
vticindu
whole.
ftd:oenili ndeo
.ottonh eTI
which has often produced great good. I take the last fairly in the face, and give it proper consideration before report, and could collect a dozen such cases from they consented to it. As to the pos •ibility of ever improving it, bearing testimony towhe value of our assistance. One their state of education by private benevolence, he should portion was St. Giles and the other St. James. The board
says, "your grant has been the greatest assistance to me; say that whatever they might do in Liverpool, they could in London might, therefore, on an apepilogiceatnhttieleenwmoefrnskeoimnf
tthhoeef
it has enabled me to have a second master. I had 40 expect nothing from private benevolence in the rural die- clergy from Livwerhpoosole,bogairvdesathteiiar grant to
tShat.,,Gthileast
working of
children in the school, now I have 210." (Hear, hear.) trots. He knew what burthens the rural clergymen had
twooithrhroecildleittitfiryomdoSnt.e.Jaanmdes.
be wHaernkedne'wth,
Another says, 4. I had a very inferior master—l have now to bear in matters of schools. (Hear, hear.) He had another society
ono who has a certificate, and I have got Government heard of clergymen in large towns sometimes envying their
assistance. I have a pupil teacher ; my school is im. brethren in rural parishes—
Me ropolitan .Society if possible to guard against that
proved. The people of the neighbourhood begin to take -0, fortunati nemium sua si bona norint
an interest in the school, and it is in every way advanced." ' Agricolce. infection of the working of that society as in connection,
Another says, " You have assisted me. I have put (Laughter.) But there were two sides to the picture, with Liverpool, and onnoluded by suggesting that such 4
myself as you desired, in connection with the Govern_ The rural livings had some pleasant things, but they had state of things might be prevented by the formation of a
coesecrate the meeting by asking God's blessing.
local hoard in Liverpool.
ment. I have got the capitation fee "—the rate paid by also some bitter things. (Hear, bear.) The rates which
he wished to exolain what he thought would
Government on the head of every child who attends the they there had to pay were fully one-tenth of their The Rev. Hugh M' hleile said the chairman had requested
school a certain number of days—" and my school has income. The poor rates were heavier than were felt in him to.
risen thom 30 to 100." But, best .of all, there is one case the town, and then there was, the last of all, the burthen Before cl. ing so
in the report, and lam happy to hear from the secretary of their school. He had no idea of the Government treat be the feeling of all present, his sense, and, he
it is not the only case, in which they say, "you have given ing the country like children, but he wished that the felt assured, their Prise, of the oblieation they
us aid for two years—we now can dispense with it. . Government would come forward more liberally than they were under that morning to their friends who had ad-
(Hear, hear.) We have received Government assistance, had done in some cases. (Hear, hear,) He should like dressed them on behalf of the society. (Hear, hear.) He
we have doubled our local subscriptions, we have got a to see the capitation fee system carried out further than
capital mistress, and we have an independent working it was, but he thought that the government required the did not mean to invite any forrell vote upon the subject,
school." (Hear, hear.) But I remember my friends child to attend too great a number of days to entitle the but merely. to give the meeting the opportunity of each. an
admonition, and I must make my statement cleer by school to the fee. In those districts; children had to expression as they might convey of the value they attached
demonstration, according to Wrecker ; only entreating you come three and four miles to school, and the same punctual to the statement of Mr. Colquhonn, as well as to that
'atthe
to remember that, though those figures may be dry, yet attendance could not be required from them as in the case of Mr. Ryle. (Hear,. hear, and • applause.) The
o p orations immediate
of e
that''n s isloea.riaettiy°, .
that they are figures upon which de end the happiness of of other children. (Hear, hear.) Tile rev. gentleman would bear with him while he added that it appeared
thousands of children, and the well-being of the country at then combated the idea that the education of the country
Ifto pointthheyimhadthaerrived,
in
tfl,2,er
large. I take again Sir John Pakington's statement, because should be chiefly conducted bY the clergymen. He men- what Mr• Arlan Hodgson had touched in his short address.
take coming froM him, if I can satisfactorily deal with it, I tioned that Mr. Cobden once urged that on him, at the
take the worst view of the ease for myself, and the best table of Sir John Shuttleworth, but he dented that it right principle, in the present state- of the question in that
for him. He says you want as much as 6 1-a week to should be so. It was the duty of clergymen to preach the
country, the details would find their
educate a chill. The educational year is certainly not Gospel—(hear, hear)—and never was there e rim© which
more than 46 weeks, so that, according to Sir John required that it should be preached continually, zealously, were vsoree out. It appearel to him that the very sug-
Pakington, you require 23s a year to educate the child. and well, than the present. (Hear, hear.) On that . gestions which came from their friends, who looked forward
It is put by some, however, as high as 30s, a point at account he regretted to see by the reported speech of the to and asked for ulterior aid, contained in themselves the
which, I fear, we will not. arrive for some years, and, Bishop of Sodor and Man, in the Times, at a meeting in Proll that the society, so far as it went, had
therefore, stake the cost at 265, because, in thus dealing the diocese of Litchfield, that that dignitary entertained done much good, for it was the measure ofgood
with it, I wish to take the worst view I can of it. To somewhat the same view, but it was an erroneous view of which invited the consideration of more. He th tgght
solve the problem, thee, I must find 26s for the good their position and the requirements of the times, which there was self-evidence of the soc'et hentk o 1-
a nig a en a st.ep
education of the child; but in the inferior schools, with could not be sustained. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, the in the right direction, in the fact thatiythe considerati
which we deal, the cost is nothing like that. In my rev. gentleman eloquently appealed to the assembly to I now entertained was whether they on
could do all. The
parish, in Kent, there is a very respectable school not in adequately support. the society, and sat down amid
. ,
objections or difficulties which suggested themselves to
connection with government, and I find that there the cost enthusiastic applause.
Mr. Cowan's mind hero internal testimony to his mind
of each educational child is about 17s 6d. In the inferior The Yen. Archdeacon Jones wished to know if the of the true step which the society had taken, SG
schools, in those below that, I put the cost at 16s each government gave assistance only to those schools in far as it want. The very field which was now oecu-
child. Eight shillings is easily provided. It is provided which certified mestere and mistresses were engaged. He , the society, in which they found so hued
by the parent ; for the inspectors say there is no diffi- believed that such was the case, and if it was so, he con- schools requiring assistance in order to be lifted
a
eulty on that point. The parents unfortunately take shiered it a hardship. up within the reach of the government be
their children away early, but while they leave theta at Mr. Colquhoun replied that such was the case, and was owing to neglect. There Ives nothin n' •'.
s go. the kind
school, they do not grudge a certain payment. How is said he considered it a prudential and wise requirement. done by the National Society, That
the other 8s to be got ?In poor schools it is got out of The, Rev. Mr. Cowan observed that, according to the employed in supplying valuable was
the schools,and ' society buildings. , the
the pocket of the clergyman, or from a few who assist statement made by the chairman, there were 15,000 Had it been differently ma -
ed had the details f •
nag „
o its
him, and so the school continues floundering on in this schools which required help to bring them up to the management been satisfactory to the whole church, had
miserable state, with one half of the burthen borne government standard, so that., taking each school at 410, it not become the organ of noparticular
part of the church
by the clergyman, and the other half supplied they would require £150,000 to accomplish that object. rather than of the whole
church, this society might not
by the parents. ' Now enters on the step the He would ask' wae there any hives !al the Church of have been in exist
Church of England Education Society. We give a rant, England Society being able to raise anything like that of a rival, this encie,. at least in their times. Instead
say of Xl°, and the school having, say 50 children, we are sum ? If it could nen, would it not be rather desirable to the field -whiehe°;;aedY ecame an ally. Taking up
thus giving es for each child; Bs, observe, is supplied by point mit sense other course, En saying that much, he not intere:rin at beenall neglected by the _other
with the other, but
the parent without difficulty. We then give 4s, but on spoke as a friend of the society, and as a member of the supplementing its work—that
, was the business of this
the condition that the school is improved, and that it is committee, He could not help expressing his be:ief that socktv and b h
placed in connection with government. Witat arises ? after all their struegles, they would at last be driven e, l ' ' a
d. t
Aought it was the source of great thanke
i ness to o ( ppleuse.) Tet appeared to him a quesAion
The government assistance is at present high, and if Mr, back, either to have an educatiottal roll; as was his
Baines will permit me, I hope it will be higher. (Hear, opinion, or they would he compelled to receive larger which deserved ' their most, serious consideration, now,
hear.) But the government assistance is now lis 4d. Let assistance frera novernthent than they now obtained. whether they should net manifest before the country and
alreaus call it, for clearness sake, lls; observe, you have Mr. Colquhoun reminded the rev. gentleman that all the Governmeet, their determination to caul %AA illif"l7
dy 12s; add to it, the 1 Is. and you have 2.=,s 1 000 the it,....nt, ..—.... —O, -_-,•, ~$ . ... .......___-_, ..e. ry cl c ati ti ' - - ---- .i - - ---- . -....1 •• `,.. •.‘,,... 0. , .t.—
now you only want 3s to make up the requisite sum, the schools taken in hand at the same time. A. school would atrengthen the hands of their friends against the
Where will you find it?' The clergyman will be very was take hep atid in two yeers or so it was rendered self- Plans which would be brought forward in Parliament to
happy to compand for 3s instead of Bs, but he will have supporting, and then the grant wag withheld from that introduce the secular system. (Hear, hear.) They were
no'difficultyin getting it from-subscriptions, so that by School and' transferred to smoother reuirin aid. For his •throatened with tha secular systeni. tw some of the
the small gift of 4s the child, you rescue the scheol which part, he hoped the government would increase their assist- most forward men men of mark in .the movement
party.
haS been 40Ondering in its diftieUltieS,.its burthens over. awe, and that that increased assistance would be given in of that country, and these • ted 6
pointed .to the fail ere
powering the clergyman--you raise it to the standard of accordance with the amount of good that it would be shown of all -t. *
exis mg sys erns to strengthen their argumer,ats. If
good education required by government, and in a word, could be accomplished. Since 1833 the Government assist- they would ward off that mischief, the mischief e''
you save it from destruction. (Applause.) That is the ance had raised from £300,000 to £l5OOOO and' he felt et a secular
supported bycompulsory'
system, a rate ~t
be believed,
ground- of our appeal to you to-day, It is an appeal assured that the House of Commons would not withhold
which we make very earnestly, and with the strongest its grantse—whatever Mr. Baines might say—if it was in the present state of the country, s •
system supported by
conviction of the good you are goine to do. I fear perhaps shown that it was required for a necessary object. They a emnpalsory rate must be seculenw(hear) —if they would
our clerical friends will scold me for this; but I think we would give half a million, or a million, if necessary, and ward evil, let theta ;no the Gevernment they
sometimes do not think enough of the good that we do. if it was shown that the money would he beneficially ap-
approvedoff ofthat the present plan ofw helping those whothat helped
Really, in this busy day, jostled about by plied ; but they would not give any assistance until the themeelves, by brieging up 100, or any such number of
various calls, we are glad to get rid of them almost schools had risen to the government standard; aod he schools, oat of their poverty, to the standard required by
npoq • any terMs. Ask for aeslstance and the thought it was necessary that government should make Government, and then hand them over to Government for
party perhaps says, "Oh, here is .e 3 or W 5, and begone, , that requirement, and should insist on the master b •
being a government assistarce—and having done that then go back
I have not time to deal with the question." (Hear, hear.) man capable of holding the position he should occupy. and brine up others. (Hear, a, he r.) Mr. Colquhoun had
We really scatter our bounties until we forget what we Mr. Adam Hodgson said he thought no subject was
''
• t
the 'society's y'sc operations very clearly. Be (Dr.
are doing, but it is ray nrovince, thy duty, my privilege, attended with 'so many difficulties as the subject of described.Ni
ee) aske r. olquhoun. the previous evening, to
to bring before you today the good that you are doing. education, sad it would appear sometimes as if those n't
l' agree with those who paint in the darkest colours the difficulties could never be solved; but he thought there i make very clear, that the operations of the society merely
Present educational cotidition of England, but I have, was one solution of the problem, and that was, that were that they helped the schools up until they had reached
with Lord Robert Cecil, the fullest conviction thee that which had been, proposed by Mr. Colquhoun, and that the point where the Government could 'help them. Mr.
cause Seen. be dealt 'with, dealt wieh euceessfully and corn- was to adopt the plan he hed enlarged upon, and Celquhoun had more than answered the request he made,
pletely, by the exertions of earnest and religious men. the system adopted by the Church of England Society. and conveyed to their minds such a graphic picture of the
(Hear, hear.) I feel, sir, that with the blessing of God, Now, if they thought that that system was based on a operations of the society, that they must have the greatest
there is nothing which we may not do, banded together sound peinciple, with regard to the education of the coun- satisfaction in giving it all the support he claimed for it.
in God's cause, and uniting with strong hands and cordial try, they had no reason to fear but that support would (Hear, hear.) After some further observations, Dr, M'lsleile
hearts for this object, and it is a great one, the well.being be accorded them. He (Mr. Hodgson) thought they had ' asking a blessing.
of England. Only remember, if it were your privilege to at last got on sound principle. There were objections to ' concludede, byei
The assem .age then separated.
take one of the reral districts of Ifearkshire, and convert all systems s but if they could show to the Government
it from the state in which' it now is sunk-, debased in that they had at last got on a good principle, that would. '
misery arld ignorance, the children living the life qf their reconcile the large grant for the community, and they
'parents, and that life of the' most br40,1 ignorance and would find that Government would give them all possible
darkest sensuality--think that, Were you aliqwed to go assistance, commensurate with the wants of the COMMU-
into that place, holy,from the narrow horizon of the nity. The proportion to be contributed, he looked upon
Child, Which gets every day, as he approaches mantimd, as an ulterior questioq; the great question was—was the
more contracted and darker with the mists and veils of principle which they had adopted a sound principle? He
his deepening depravity, you would bring to that child . (Mr. Hodgson) belived it was; and, being so, it deserved,
the glorious horizon of a truth boundless as eternity, and and he'hoped would receive, support.
of a mercy free and infinite as the bosom of a generous The Rev, Dr. Hume begged to state that the principle
God, and how, in doing that, you ' raise' him of the sootety was no doulw, an excellent one. They had
from the depths of that feel and deadening
got a rate.in-aid from portions of the rich districts and
• te the hei•
degrarletien
.ghts of a philosophy with which applied it to the support of the poor cones. It reminded
the sagest of Greece end 13
seeme had nothing to compare 1 them ofthe P accommodationin
superabun6ut ehureh Wales
if you do that hi one solitary district it is a consolation
for yogi, future years—At is a comfort for 'your sorrowing and the defiaient accommodation in Birmingham and
hours—it is for time of sickness a solace which will riot elsewhere. hey could not bring one to assist the ether ;
fail; but if you are able not only in one district bet over but, iu societies of that kind, they could bring the super-
the whole of England to do that,. then, I ask you, what a abutulancv of money from the one place to assist the
privilege is before you? Iteinember your position. lam other. He was greatly afraid that Mr. Colquhoun made
Rot addressing here those who are confined within some one very unfortunate mistake respecting the position of
small parish, a place of no commerce ; but lam address- Liverpool, and it wag to state the facts he reference) to their
ing those who possess influence all over England—whose own town that he (Dr. Hume) then rcse. Mr. Colquhone voice, whose power is felt in all parts of the world. I
had supposed that Liverpool had a superabundance of
press pa you this domestic duty. I tell you that
your
send away into rural districts. But what would
example may decide the fate of this question,
and may money to '
that gentleman think when he (Dr. Hume) told him that
Solve. the probleth which puzzles statesmen and defies the
wisdom of Parliament. I lay it at your feet to-day. Take in educational matters they were not paying their way—
it, I conjure, to your hearts, Se one or those great and that they did not pay it by a very ecnegiderable sum, and
beet causes_ 'OW)) welt deserves all Your energy, your were much in the back ground at that moment, He (Dr.
pains,atidyoer activity, and I feel persuaded that in Hume) had entered into a minute examination of the
future hours it will be a comfort to you as it is a comfort educational accommodation in Liverpool, including the
to me to have contributed something to so great and borough and the Liverpool district, or what was called the
glorious a cause,
omnibus district on the Lancashire side, and on the Cheshire
Mr. Colquhoun resumed his seat amid general applause. side, those portions connected by the ferry boats. 'ln that
The Rev.. Mr. Ryle then addressed the assembly. He
district he found the educational aeoommodation demand to
said he could not forget that their time. was short,
and that he spoke to men who, the greater part of
be for 93,000 children—that was that that 93,000 should
them, had other business awaiting their attention. He be attendants at the national schools, but the education
t
could not also forget that it was but three raise supplied was at that moment only for 52,000, so that 41,000
ago, he had the honour and privilege of addressing a large children in Liverpool were at that moment receiving no
meeting in behalf of this society in the'wmphitheatre, of education, or they were waiting their turns for the schools,
Liverpool. He remembered the admirable exposition of or they were receiving their education in the streets amongst
the whole subject given at that meeting' by their friends, their vichme companions. That was their condition.
the Rev. Mr. Pollock, and the Rev. Dr. M'Neile, and Now, what he thought was, that a very great effort
although his friend, Mr. Colquhoun, had but just spoken should be made to further the object, and ob•
very fully on it, yet he felt that, as a rural clergyman,''' t
the, necessary amount of education, and be
one coming from a district purely agricultural, coining
to say that was most happy
wishthat.
r benevolence should
from a district where the tall chimney smokewas neverthe subject had not been over
looked. He did not
might be permitted tq say a few
not extend to distant places ; but what he did wish, was
werds ou the great sub-
ject of education. (Hear, hear.) He desired to endorse that they should first look at their emdition at home. To
With all hie heaik and soul, all that had been said about the first district of the town, in which the Exchange begs
the exceedingly unsatisfactory §tate gf the education of and the Town Hall stood, there was not any eehoools.
the country. He spoke eepeolally with reference to the ' The very district on its north, separeted only half a' street
rural dietricts. He'cante from the east part of England, from the Exchange fligs, hed once a school in it, but that
and frOM his experience, he could Rey that education in failed, because they could not get money to pay the rent of
the rural districts had pp reality—it was merely a form. the hoes.. Then, in the ecclesiastical district, on the east
The soh
• hols were exceedingly small—the apparatus for of thet, ther was no s hoal in it; but the district on the
giving education exceedingly defective. The time giveq h • -
s d cschool erected within it during the
south of it, had he a
to the education in them was exceedingly email, and the
what he (Dr. Hume,) said,
last three or four years. Now,
result was, that though the children might have. passed
through the sehool, yet, when they came to he eeatelued was the condition of the very heart of the town—p. Where
at the ages of 14 and 16, they teem, to all iutents and pure merchants most do congregate.l But Mr. Colquhoun
poaes, completely witliont edecation. (Hear, hear.) la might say, "Bat, in Liverpool, you do all things on a
the parish where he lived, everything was dope for educe- 1 grand scale ; perhaps you go to the expense of £2 for
tion, because it belonged to ope single proprietor, who I
educating each child ?" His (Dr. Humes) answer to that
used the wealth and position which God gave him, to was, in the year 1854, he collected all the returns for 1853,
enaite education what it should be, They had a large and he then added the gross amount expended, and divided
and admireble school. They gave an exceedingly it by the gross number of children attending the schools ;
high salary to the master and mistress-8120 and hie believed, he was correct in saying, that the
and a house, besides other advantages in teaching average expenditure was 16s per annum fureachchild.
or
__
the school. They had two schools, an upper and a le'wele M Colquhoun had spoken of
an education at more than Au
In the lower, 130 childreo, gathered from' the whole •r* --
cent above that, and et they' ycould get nothing like
district attended, while in the {leper school, the children per
__
what he (flirt Colquhoun) required. lie would, state his
of farrnere received' a superior education for lOs 6d a
quarter. (Hear, bears) The labourers held their cottages own case : For eight years a eehool had been supported en
`Under pain Of being turned out, if they did not send their his district, and the rincipal canvas had to be made by
children of a certain age to the school, and no excuse was himself, and he had never got a single donation for that
received, unless that of sickness. And yet, though they school but by calling at the gterolutute ogees himself; so

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continue to be crowded with the elite of the metropolis;
and so satisfactory has it proved, that we understand a
re-engagement N
has bean entered into for ten weeks longe
when thy quit 'London to fulfil their numerous provincial
engagements.—Sunday Timeb March 29.—[We understand
tlese gentlemen have been engaged by Mr. ]mans, of Upper,
Dawson-street, and will appear nightly.]
SoD rIIEPN AND TOXTETII HOSPITAL, WEEKLY REPORT,
34th Nov.—ln-patients Discharged : Cured, 16 ; relieved,
0 ; at own request, 0 ; irregular, 1 ; dead, 1 • entered, 22 ;
under treatment, 63. Out-patients : Cured, 30 ; entered,
31 ; under treatment, 38. Treasurer : James Houghton,
Esq. Visitnis : James Houghton, Esq., and B. Platt, Esq.
Honorary Chaplain : Rev. D. T. Barry, B.A. Physicians
and Surgeons for the Week : Dr. Cameron and Mr.
Minshull. House Surgeons Mr. Edward C. Garland and
Mr. William Townsend.

_ A CLanGymAN 'Pi A Fut.—At a late sacrarnen!tai occasion
a clergyman trona a distance came to a etetain town to
discharge the principal clerical functions, for a
-rev. brother
who. was indisposed. He resided with another rev. brother,
with whom he was on iutinlatd
t'Ams. On the sabbath
morning every inmate, cloaltiorics ircluded, got ready for
church, and the set-nuts, hearing the family leave the house,
concluded that the rev, stranger had left along with them,
and they carefully locked up the house, and followed the
troe
family to church. The stranger clergyman, however, had,
not yetquietly quitted his room, but sit quietly ruminating, no
doubt, l
nigh
go
hv over
run;
ge
oduaty
to the door, great was his const;rnation at finding it securely
zt
locked. He called loud ...7. vainly for the servants, and at
length, seeing he had no other alternative, he leapt from a
window into a sl.rubberv, awl, to the great detriment of his
best suit, aLd nearly at the expense of his coat tails, made
day's
their proceedings,aecustoea I chimes.ht churchp bellsee iih:
na
a rather clumsy scramble over the wall, and reached the
vestry, in a state of excitement, about fifteen minutes behind
time, to find an anxious congregation waiting for him.
Glasgow Mail.

SHIPWRECK OFF 13r,AoRPoor..--About daybreak on mon.
day morning, the residents of South-shore,
Biackpagi, were
made cognisant that a vessel was on shore about 900 yards
sputh of the Star Inn, The
neighbourhood
a.m., three men, was soon
alarmed, and M. Sanceanphaeton, of the College Francais, sallied
out with his assistantsi , n a closed p, taking with
them blankets and other requisites. The vessel proved to,
be the British Token, of Dundalk. for Preston. About ten
in a very exhausted state, were taken from,
her, and safely landed ; but the vessel was a comple wreck,.
and being laden with corn and meal, the coast soon became
strewed, for a mile in length, with oars, broken masts,
barrels, Baoks, &c.One boy is said to have been washed
overboard, who at four p.m. on Monday was still unfound.
It is really a serious matter that no steps have hitherto been
taken to provide alife-boat for the district. The danger of
this coast is notorious, and the frequency of wrecks make it.
incumbent on the residents to supply the want so much felt
in a case of emergency ; and though, in the present case,
perhaps, the lifeboat might have been obtained from Lytham
to have released the men sooner than they were, we are
astisaed that the sufferers on this occasion were in a most
miserable and perilous condition for twice the length of time
they needed to have been, had•proper succour been nearer
at hand.

THE

TOWN COUNCIL.

very wisely brought forward a matter which might, I 1 excellent officer, he
think, at an earlier moment, have occupied the conside-
ration
of the council--that is, the propriety of having
the cheques countersigned. and then of reducing the
A special meeting of the Town Council was held in security which, under other circumstances, it is ne
the Town-hall, at eleven o'clock yesterday, to consider cessary that the treasurer should giv?. This step in
the following subjects :
itself would at once enable us to exercise economy with
The appointment of a fit person to be treasurer of the regard to the salary' of -the treasurer, for if the suggestion
borough, subject to the statute 6 and 7 Victoria, cap. thrown out be adopted, I certainly think that £5OO a
89, to supply the vacancy occasioned by the resignation year to commence with would be an ample salary.
of Mr. John Wybergh, and recommendation of . the (Hear, hear.) If, on the other hand, there is no change
finance committee that Mr. Archibald Tweedie be in the security required, then, much against my own
appointed to-that office, at the salary of £6OO per annum, inclination, in other respects, 1- shou'd he prepared to
he finding security to the extent of £B,OOO, as bereiofore, contend that £6OO a year was not an extravagant salary,
The appointment of a fit person to he treasurer under inasmuch as the individual hol-ding that office, and
the Liverpool Sanatory Act, 9 and 10 Victoria, cap. 127 ; having occasion to apply to a guarantee society to give
and also to be treasurer of the Liverpool water account, the necessary security, would have to pay out of that
and cashier of the watch and lighting accounts, to £6OO a year something like £l2O a year ,as a premium.
supply the vacancy occasioned by the death of >fr. Capes Now, I think, sir, this is a very material consideration,
. Aehlin, and recommendation of the health, watch, for we all know flat. in the present day, when so many
lighting, and water committees, that Mr. Thomas White frauds of a very serious character are constautly occurring,
be-appointed to supply such vacancy, at the salary of it is only natural that even our best friends should
.X6OO per annum, he finding security to the extent of hesitate to come forward, and hind themselves as
£5,000, as heretofore. security for a large amount of money, which, in all
His worship the maydr, Francis Shand, Esti , presided. probability, they could very ill afford. Now, sir, Mr.
The first business was the appointment of treasurer. Woodruff has thrown out a' suggestion which might very
It appeared that the other candidates before the finance well, I think, be entertained, but inasmuch as it is.
committee for this office were Mr. S. L. Trotnian and I believe, impracticable at the present moment, there is
Mr.. Arnitt. no occasion for me to dwell at any length upon it in
Mr. Alderman S. Holme said : Mr. Mayor, in eccorcl- noticing ir, but I would merely say that, if the council
ante with the Act of Parliament, which requires that, had a,lopted, at an earlier pert td. the idea which was
on the resignation of treasurer, a successor shall be thrown out of placirhe oflicc-a in Dale street instead of
appointed within twenty-one days, this council has Cornwallis street, youet then might have had one trea-
been specially summoned to-day to receive the recoil]. surer instead of two (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, as to Mr
mendation of the finance committee ; and, in accord- Tweedie's merits, it is, as some gentlemen who addressed
ante with the directions which the finance committee the counuil have already said, quite unnecessary for me
received, they la.ve unanimously agreed upon making a to offer any remarks. He has been for a very long period
recoinmendetion to the council, recognising the princi- in the service of the corporation ; and, I believe, a better
plea, sir, that faithful services should meet with their man or a fitter man could not be found. (Hear, hear.)
just reward in advancement to better situations as I will not say, as is too often said in the council, that s,
evaciticies occur, they find in Mr. Tweedie those peculiar good a man could not be found, because Ido not believe
qualifications which are necessary for the satisfactory that. I believe a good man could be fo'snd,but stilt that
performance of the duties of the office, and which enable should not detract ft om Mr. Tweedie's merits He is
them to recommend him to the council for the appoint- entitled to confidence ; for, I believe, he has discharged
ment. Systematic and methodical in all his accounts, his duties faithfully. At the same time we should
well versed in the duties and requirements of the office, remember the position in which we stand. The day of
they feel that he will step into his new situation, if the trial is not far; and. if we exceed in the case of Mr.
.council shall be pleased to oppoint him to it, having Tweedie, or of any other individual, we may rest assured
little to learn, and if his future conduct should be as that the day of reckoning will come. I, therefore, think
excellent and as exemplary as his past conduct has been, . that Mr. Jeffery's suggestion might he adopted—that the
the council, lam sure, will hereafter feel satisfaction in security ought to be recleced from £B,OOO to £5,000, and
having made this appointment. (Hear, hear.) He has that a salary of £5OO a year under such eircum-
been already twenty years in the service of
,the corpora- stances would be - sufficient. But if, on the other
tion, fourteen of which have been spent in another hand, there is any practical difficulty, of which
Office, the office in Cornwallis street, and about five, I am not at this moment informed, as regards the
or between five and six years. have been spent in chairman of the finance committee, or the deputy chair.
the treasurer's office in this building. Thoroughly man countersigning the cheques. and if it is still regal
acpuainted as he is with the whole details of the site that the large security should be provided by the
book-keeping, and the estate of the corporation, I am treasurer, then I must confess ihat, under those cir-
satisfied, sir, that so fir as this appointment is con- cumstances, I shall be in favour of the .i)600 a year.
cerned, the council will be quite unanimous, in (Hear, hear.)
the same way as the finance committee have been Mr. Aiken said the suggestion made by Mr. Jeffery,
unanimous in their recommendation. Although, sir, with regard to the countersigning of the cheques,
I can say nothing with reference to the filling up of any appeared to him an exceedingly good one.. With respect
other situations which we are not authorised to deal to the reduction of the guarantee from £B,OOO to £5,000,
with, until the council have sanctioned the appointment he did not altogether agree with Mr. Jeffery. Seeing
of Mr. Tweedie, I may say that the finance committee that the amount of the guarantee did not rest upon the
have it contemplation to make somewhat a different amount of the salary, and that they could get a guarantee
arrangement as to the salaries of this office in future. of £B,OOO for a salary of £5OO as readily as for £6OO, he
Tee late treasurer had £7OO a year, Mr. Tweedie has thought Mr Jeffery might be disposed to withdraw his
now £3OO a year, Mr. Hutton, the chief clerk in the motion. With respect to the reduction of the amount
office, has £l2O a year, and Mr. Houghton, who has of salary, be was rather inclined to support it. Mr.
been, I believe, now eleven years in the service of the Wybergh commenced with a salary of £5OO a year, and
corporation, has £l5O a year, making the total expense he thought Mr. Tweedie might do the same. The
of the treasurer's office £1,270 per annum. If the salary of the latter gentleman had hitherto been £3OO a
council sanction the appointment of Mr. Tweedie, the year, and, therefore, an advance of £2OO a year would be
committee will be prepared on another occasion to a very large addition to what he was previously receiving.
recommend that the chief clerk have £2OO a year, If Mr. Wybergh, commencing with a salary of £5OO,
that the junior clerk have £lO5, and that Mr. Houghton, furnished a guarantee for £B,OOO, that was an additional
who has been eleven years in the service, and has argument for not lessening the amount of the guarantee
faithfully and efficiently performed its duties withou' ever re-
yet having had an increase, is now deserving of an addi-
tion of £25 a year, making his salary £175. This, if the
council agree to give Mr. Tweedie the sum of £BOO per
annum—considering that he has to giro a bond `

corporation for £B,ooo—will make the expense of the
treasurer's office £l,OBO a year. In that case, there will
be a saving to the corporation fund of £l9O. I merely
make this statement in order that the council may see
that, in fixing the salary of Mr. Tweedie at .£6OO per
annum, which is £lOO less than the late treasurer had
received, we think that the duties of the office are fnlly
deserving of that sum—looking at its importance, and
looking to the large bond thetreasurer has to give, and the
responsibility which rests upon his shoulders; and I
have, therefore, simply to move—as Mr. Tweedie is well
known to every member of the council—the confirma-
tionof the finance committee's recommendation.

Mr. Alderman 3. H. Turner said, he had great pleasure
in seconding the motion. It was unnecessary for him
were-well known, to entitle him fully to this appoint-
ment.

Mr. Woodruff said, at the last meeting of the council
several members expressed a desire that the finance corn•
nuittee should consider the pracicability of anialgarnating
the offices of the two treasurers into one. He understood
that the deputy chairman Of the finance committee then
a,tgea promise that the question would be considered,
nd t;'qt something would be said upon the subject. He
now begge to ask the deputy chairman whether any
thing had been done upon that subject ?
Mr. Holme : I re.lly do not remember that I made

any such promise.
Mr. Woodruff : The subject certainly was mentioned.
I introduced it myself to the council, and I then under-
stood that such a promise was made.

Mr. Holme : I know it was mentioned in the finance
committee, but the general opinion then was that the
two offices could not be amalgamated. The present trea-
surer of the corporation had quite enough to do alre4dy,
especially since the Birkenhead estate had been
added to the estate of the corporation.
Mr. Woodruff said if the committ. e had considered the
questiGn, and thought the amalgamation undesirable,
that was a sufficient answer.

Mr. J. R. Jeffery : I should like to ask the chairman
of the finance committee whether the treasurer's
cheques are countersigned; or whether a cheque from
the treasurer to the bank is sufficient, simply upon his
own signature ?

Mr.-Holme : Yes, sir. It has always been the custom
of this corporation, ever since I came to have any know-
ledge of it, that the treasurer presents a cheque, and that
it is paid at the bank without being countersigned by
any one elite. I may say, however, that this subject has
been before the committee, and has been considered by
thein,but it has been al ways believed, in consequence of the
large bond which we require the treasurer to give, and
in consequence of the weekly accounts being so rigidly
scrutinised, first- by the auditor and then by the
committee themselves, and then having, moreover, every
confidence in the treasurer, that payment may be safely
made on the signature alone, without being countersigned
by any one else.
Mr. Jeffery : I think, Mr. Mayor, after the recent
instances we have had, it becomes our duty to take every
necessary precaution to prevent the funds of the corpo-
ration from being drawn upon the sole signature of a
paid officer—(hear, hear)—however high be may stand
in the estimation of the council. I would, therefore,
liuggest, and, if necessary, I would move a resolution to
Ibat effect, that the cheques of the treasurer shall, in
future, be countersigned. I am informed that the.
cheques of the treasurer to the health committee require
to be' countersigned ; and why the treasurer to
the corporation should be permitted
cheques, and have their. paid without flick being
countersigned, it will be for other gentlemen to explain.
It appears to me, sir, that the bond for £B,OOO might he
reduced if this precaution were taken. (Hear, hear )
It has been stated to me, that the salary of ‘6OO a year
was fixed in consequence of the high amount of bond
which it had been determined to obtain from the
treasurer.. I am told, sir, and I must ask the indulgence
of the council for my inexperience, that this gentleman,
Mr Tweedie, whom I have n,t,tbe pleasure of knowing,
's now in the receipt of £3OO a year. lam also
infor,;:ted, that Mr. Wybergh, when first installed into his
offices reeived, for not less than ten years, only £5OO
a year. It d(

Mr. Fernihough sail, the treasurer had frequently to
receive large sums of money, such as £20,000, and
sometimes more, in the course of a single day, and h 9

therefore thought it would he very unwise to reduce the
amount of bond required. Under the4e circumstances
he thought it only just that they should pay a salary of

£GOO a year,

Mr, Robertson suggested that Mr. Jeffery should
divide his motion into distinct portions, as many gentle-
men who felt inclined to support one part could not
support another.

Mr. Jeffery agreed to the suggestion, and accordingly
proposed in the first instance that the system of counter-
signing the cheques be adopted.
Mr. 11-lme said, to save time in discussion he might
say at once that he had not the slightest objection to
the counter signing. (Hear, hear.) It had already been
proposed that the conamittea had such confidence in Mr.
Case and Mr. Wybergh, that the existing system had not
been (HSU. UCU. oe, tinwever, some rilificulty
about the chairman or deputy chairman signing the
cheque. The chairman, Mr. Hornby, was at present in
Nice. The cheques required to be signed every day two
or three times. It would he imposing a
upon him (Jar. Holm), as deputy chairmon, to render

. . .
it necessary for him to come 1
day. ,

great ditiictilty

to sign

!Jere two or three times a

Mr. Jeffery: I may save time by saying that the
town clerk has my written amendment, which, if read,
will meet the difficulty raised by the deputy chairman
of the finance committee. I have provided that the
cheques may be countersigned by the chairman, the
dennty-chairman, or the mayor.
Mr. lIoln”, suggested to add the deputy-mayor, in case
of the mayor's absence.

The Town Clerk said, it was unnecessary to do so, as
by the Act of Parliament, the depury•inayor was em.
powered to perform all the official acts of the mayor.
Mr. Hall agreed in the principle of having the cheques
countersigned, but wished to know whether the counter
signing by the chairman, Or any other member would
adopt the treasurer's accounts, or in any way whatever
relieve the guarantee of any responsibility.
The Town Clerk said, as far as he could see, with the
consideration he was now able to give the matter, it
would not. The bond Would be executed subseqUentiv
to the passing of a resolution, and subject to it. The
treasurer, in point of fie., gave cheques on the bank
now, except for accounts which had passed the finance
committee, had been s:gned by three members of the
committee, and countersigned by the town-clerk. So far
as he could at present see, he did not think the resolu-
tion would relieve the sureties.

Mr. Dover said, according to the rules of the health
committee, every member could sign the treasurer's

cheques.
Mr. Jeffery again proceeded to address the council,
hut was met with cries of " Spoke, spoke," and resumed

his seat.
Mr. Hall sail he would have been glad if the finance
committee had recommended the sum of £5OO to begin,
irstead of £6OO. He felt, however that it would be
almost presumption upon his put if, after the finance

commit'tee had fully considered the matter and deter-
mined upon the sum, he were to vote against their

decision

Mr. Alderman Parker, Mr. Sheil, Mr. Banner, ani
several othe► members having addressed the council, the
amendment was, with the consent of Mr. Holme,
unanimously adopted.
Mr. Jeffery then moved that the security required be
reduced from £B,OOO to £5,000.
Mr. Beckwith seconded the motion.

Mr. A. C. Stewart said he was one of the gentlemen
who asked Mr. Jeffery to divide his amendment, because,
unless the council agreed to take a bond for £5,000
instead of .£B,OOO, he should feel bound to vote for the
salary of £6OO. He had the very highest opinion of the
gentleman in question, and he knew that the instruction
to the finance committee, already carried, would be most
satisfactory to that gentleman, from the knowledge he
had of his high integrity. He thought if Mr. Tweedie
was bound to give security to tbe amount of £B,OOO, the
council ought to give him a salary of £6OO a year., Bat
he should vote for a reduction of the bond to £5,000,
and if that were carried, he should vote for £5OO salary,
because he thought both much better suited to present
circumstances than £B,OOO and £6OO.
Mr. Gladstone remarked that it was admitted on all
hands that neither £5,000 security - be

appear to me, then, since that, that if
we countersign the cheques, and ifs we diminish the
large amount of bond, W 3 must effect a reduction of
£lOO a year in the salary ; and that £5OO a year would
be an equivalent salary to a bond of £5.000 ; for, I
Presume, £5,000 would cover any amount which would
probably be received in the treasurer's office in the
conrse of one day. If he banks, as he should, every day,
the
amount received in one day would be all it would be
necessary to have covered by the security. Therefore,
sir, if necessary, I shall conclude with an .amendment—
That the salary be £5OO a year : that the bond be reduced
300 ; and, that eael t,'
cheque be countersigned by
airman or deputy.chc•
alrlilau of the finance com-

£B,OOO woui
sufficient to cover emergencies which nai4ht happen
That point, then, was disposed of. The difference

was a

was surely more than com-
pensated by the additional security which the system of
countersigning would afford. (dear, hear.) They would
then have the assurance of the chairman, the deputy
chairman, or the miyhr, that. the account was correct,
which was surely quite an equivalent for the difference
of £3,000. He should adopt precisely the same course
in voting as that just laid down by Mr. Stewart.
Mr. Alderman BramleY Moore, M P., urged that with
the example of Redpath and Robson, and other cases
brought unfortunately forward before them, they should
take care not to under pay their servants ; and, if they
did err at all, it should be rather to make an error upon
the liberal side than the other. He felt confident that

mittce.
Mr. Beciiia4h seconded the amendment.
Mr. Robertson Gladstone: In appointing a successor
to Mr. Wybergh,
it appears to me that the council
should first of all desire to adopt a principle of economy.
having direct reference to the duties of the office and
the fitness of the individual whom it is proposed to place
in ti.e office. Farber, I think, sir, that the appointment
should be made, and the salary fixed, with reference to
two distinct considerations. The first is, that we should
bear in mind the position in which the town dues'
question stands at this moment, so that if the worst
should happen, and the town dues should be taken from
us, we should not be placed in the very awkward
predicament of having-to call upon one of our officials to
submit to a redaction of his salary. The next point I
would urge is that, in all human probability, there will
be a transfer of the Birkenhead property and dock
estate to the present dock cAnmittee ; because it would
be absurd to suppose that any lengthened period of
time can elapse before the present anomaly ceases to
exist, of having, in one town, two distinct managements
of dock estates. (Hear, hear.) Now, Mr. Jeffery has

it was a false economy to under-pay the servants, and that
the public would not go with them in doing so. Pet
sons who entEred upon public and heavily responsible
situations were worthy not only of their pay, but of
being treated with liberaiiiy and respect ; and he
was sure the public would back up the council
,in acting upon such a principle. There was .a
, vast difference batween paying men liberally and
fairly for the duties of responsible officers, and paying
them outrageously for doing nothing. Be would go all
lengths with any association which would endeavour to
prevent such payments :as the latter. But let not the
fall council into the error of under-paying their servants,
who had a position and station in society mhich they
were expected to fill with credit to the corporation.
He should therefore support the recomanendation of
£6OO a year, and he was not in favour of making any
change whatever in the guarantee, because the amount
was the same which the former treasurer had been
compelled to find. Believing Mr. Tweedie to be a most

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TIMES.-LIVERPOOL

urged the council to allow the salary,

and the guarantee to remain as at present
Mr. Holine, in replying,..expreseed his great surprise
that Mr. Jeffery, should argue that a reduction in the
amount of the bond, would be a greater security, to the
corporation: When Mr. •Jeffery . had been longer a
member of the council, and understood better the details
of the duties of the treasurer's office, he would not come
there and say that £5,000 was the whole amount usually
received there in one day. It frequently happened that
the treasurer received £20,000 at once ; he once knets
the treasurer to receive £50,000 together in that
building, and although he was not going to
object to the countersigning of the cheques,
which he believed to be the wish of the council,
and which he believed would have been adopted at the
next meeting of the committee without any motion from
Mr.:Jeffery,at all, yet at the same time he could not help
remarking that the best guarantee to the council was in
the character of thd individual whom they appointed.
(Hear, hear.) It would be perfectly possible for the
treasurer to take a counter-signed cheque to the bank for
£20,000, and after getting it cashed vanish with the
money. (Hear, hear.) He contended, however, that it
was their duty not to decrease the bond. Years ago the
treasurer had £lOOO a year. Would any gentleman tell
him that £6OO a year was, with the enormously increased
business accumulating in that building, anything
like an equivalent for £lOOO, paid in years gone by? It
might be said that the former salary was too much, but
at the same time lie should direct the attention of the
council to the fact that Mr. Case had £lOOO a year, and
that by an arrangement which he was not then
about to go into, Mr. Wybergh agreed to receive £5OO
a year, and it was the general opinion of every man
who knew the duties of the office, that Mr. Wy.
' bergh was for many years under paid, and that the
council only did 'an act of common justice when they
raised his salary from £5OO to £7OO a year. He did not
like telling a man that he would be expected to do
the same duties as his predecessor; but that the salary
• must he cut down, and that after some years he might
apply for an increase of £lOO. This might be acting
very fairly in the case of an untried man ; but Mr.
Tweedie was not untried in the duties of that office. As
he had already stated, Mr. Tweedie had nothing to
learn—he stepped into his predecessor's shoes fully com-
petent, and understanding every iota of what had been
done there for years. He objected to reducing the
amount of security to fit the man instead of making the
security commensurate with the duties of the office. P.
was a very extraordinary doctrine that while on the one
hand they were to fetter, and very properly fetter, the
• treasurer, on the other hand, in the same breath, they
were told they were getting more security than they
absolutely wanted. A sub committee of five gentlemen
had investigated the whole matter. They were gentle-
men perfectly conversant with the business of the office
and the duties of the treasurer, and they agreed unan-
iinously that a salary of £6OO a year was only a fair and
reasonable remuneration to Mr. Tweedie. In addition
to the council business, which was every day in2reasing
in a very extraordinary manner, the whole of the busi-
ness connected with the Birkenhead docks was nor laid
in addition upon the treasurer, and if the council
were to pay men in proportion to their increased services
an increased salary, the committee would rather have
asked the council to give £3OO a year to Mr. Tweedie,
than to cat the salary down £lOO below what they
recommended. It had been constantly urged upon the
council that, as they had no power to give a retiring
pension to their servants' ,it wes the duty of the latter to
effect life insurances. Now, if the council kept down
men's salary to the lowest possible point, they not only
prevented them from maintaining themselves respect-
ably, according to the situations they filled, but prevented
them from effecting life assurances. (Hear, hear.) The
case of Redeath had been alluded to, He did not know
why such things should be lugged into that discussion ;
but what was the fact ? Redpath Ind a salary of only
£3OO a year ; Robp,on's also was a small salary. He (Mr.
Rohde) would always act upon the same principle in
public life as he did in private life—select the best and
most honest man, the man most fitted to perform the
lwmi bee
lerlir
tadsl(l)aynne;
~Igahinivsde
steihlriavinti
andsamlai
duties of the olice, and pay him not extravagantly, but
ecbinuts:upi rnoanetseis t
wouldtahs t hishbee
might
et ny edoemtphemen
et
y
best and teuest economy for public bodies, as well as for
private individuals. (Hear, hear.)
The council then divided, when Mr. Jeffery's motion
was lost by '2O to 32.
Mr. Jeffery said, as the council had by their vote, fixed
the amount of bond at £B,OOO, he should withdraw his
motion for a reduction of the salary to £5OO. (Hear,
hear.) •

Mr. Gladstone said he would move an amendment, to
the effect—That, in the event of the Birkenhead docks
being transfered to the duck estate, the salary b 3 reduced
to £5OO.

..ri, Ar"„...zu, suer' as atuciiiimebt wuuLU be quite
out of order

Mr. Gladstone offered no further opposition, and the
recommendations of the finance committee were con-
firmel.

THURSDAY

Mr. Alderman Dover moved the confirmation of the
recommendation of the heal.h, watch, lighting., and
water committees, appointing Mr. White in the place of
Mr. Ashlin, deceased.
Mr. Alderman Cooper seconded the motion.
The recommendation was confirmed without any

opposition.
A letter was read from Mrs. Margaret Ashlin, acknow-
ledging the receipt of, and thanking the council for their
letter of condolence, upon the death of her husband.

but be maid bring forward the names of gentlemen who
did not appear to care one straw for the duties of the

AITENDS.NCE OF TAE 130RoUGH MAGIsTRATES.

A letter was read from the Secretary of State, to the
effect, that an application had been received for the
appointment of three additional magistrates for Li ver-
pool ; and requesting to be informed whether, in the
opinion of the town council, such an addition was
necessary..

Mr. Woodruff asked from whom had the application

come.
The Town Clerk said he did not know.
Mr. Gladstone thought there could be no hesitation, •
whatever about replying to that communication. It was
well known that at present the number of magistrates
was much too small, and that to the discredit of the town
a sort of herald had to go galloping about the street, in
the immediate vicinity of the Exchange, to hunt up some
one who would come and discharge this duty to the
public. (Hear, hear.) There mild be ne doubt what-
ever that there was very great necessity for an increase
in the number of magistrates, and he was only sorry
that the government had so long delayed the increase.
He did not know whether the council was the best
authority to refer to, nor could he see exactly what the
council had to do with the matter. It was a matter which
ought to come mere properly before the magistrates
themselves. The duties were not performed at present
by all the magistrates, as they ought to be. There were
various circumstances which accounted for that fact.
Some were absent from bad health, others were occupied
with duties connected with that council, and there were
I several other reasons whY magistrates could not, or did
not attend. Some, we are afraid, although having no
public duties of any other kind to perferm, did not pay
attention to thet duty.
Mr. S. Hohno had no hesitation in saying that he had
suggested to the two members for the borough that they
should recommend some persons as additional magistrates.
At the same time he was bound to say that there were many
magistrates not open to the charge of neglecting their duties
—who were there punctually to the moment, and devoted,
when necessary, their whole time to the business of the
ceurt. (Hear, hear.) Several of them had a great deal
' more than their share, Gear, hear.) The system was this
—and it ought to be known to the public. The
magistrates met once a year, and appointed the weeks
in succession when each magistrate should take
his duty. It so happened that gentlemen who
had undertaken the duties of the magistracy did not attend
when their turn came, round, having business of their etyn,
or being otherwise prevented, and failed in appointing a
substitute to act for them. Two of the magistrates were
members of parliament, and were necessarily absent a great
portion of the year. Several gentlemen were old and infirm,
and had done magisterial duty many years—it would be
hard to call upon these to undergo much labour.
s on the list of
gentlemen not living, or who had lately left Liver-
pool altogether, and some. who bad partially left it.
There were oth6rs engaged in railway and other business
to an enormous extent, who oould not, or did not, attend.
It was, therefore, absolutely necessary that some other
magistrates should be appointed. (Hear, hear.) He had
no hesitation in saying; that it would very much add to the
confidence of the public if, instead of three magistrates, Sir
George Grey would appoint six. (Bear, hear.) He
hoped some gentleman would be appointed like Mr. Earle,
and others, who could afford time, and that the public
would hear no more of the complaint which in Many
instances he was bound to admit was well founded. (Hear,
hear.)

Mr. Gladstone disclaimed any charge upon the magis-
trates generally. He knew that many did more than
their share of duty, bat some of them did much less, and
that circumstance threw the onus of labour on the shoulders
of other gentlemen. (Hear, helr.)
Atter some remarks from Mr. Alderman' Parker,
.and
other gentlemen, it was agreed, on the motion of Mr.
Gladstone, seconded by MrAlolme, that the Mayor Should
be requested to convey to Sir George Grey that the council
considered the appointment of an additional number of,
magistrates necessary.
A resolution of the Metropolitan. and Provincial Law
Association was read, thanking the council for the facilities
afforded them for discharging their business on the occasion
of their recent visit to Liverpool.
Tnis closed the business.

Mr. Atlerman Cooper thought there were magistrates
enough to inundate the town,lant that improper persons were
appointed. (Laughter.) He did not mean persons incapacitated
for public duties, but persons who could not devote sufficient
time to them. There the evil was. He suggested that
the question should be adjourned for a week. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. Earle rose not.to object to an addition of magistrates,
but to object to the sweeping charge of neglect made
against the bench. (Hear, hear.) There were many
magistrates who attended most punctually, but the
great fault was that there Isere others who did
not reflect sufficiently 4 upon the duty they had
to perrorm, and left the town without taking any
pains to provide a substitute. He thought that a
very good suggestion which one of the papers made; that
the public journals should announce at the head of every
report the .name of the magistrate whose week of duty it
was, and then it would be known to the publics' who the
individuals were who neglected their duties. (Hear, hear.)
That was a very good suggestion, which he should wish
to see carried out. He did not like to mention names,