The Express.
London, England, 1857-07-22 00:00:00

THE INDI/t PAPERS.

Earl CARNAIN*014;;;;11;17; The papers relation to
the present eriie is India would be 1111 on the table of their
lordship' boner.
Earl GRANVILLE roads a statement In reply, the pur-
port of which did not reach the gantry.
'rh. Earl of ELLENBOROUR said he had aim the
sable earl credit for more poloptitade than he had shown.
(A laugh.)
PRISONERS REMOVAL BILL.

TM* bill pared theistilit committee.
LEGISTUATION Ob LONG LEASES (SCOTLAND)
BILL. - -

The report of amendments on this MR we. received wed
agreed to.
CROWDED DWELLINGS PREVENTION BILL.
This bill was read s third time and pawed.
INCLOSCRE ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
This bin pound through committee.
TURNPIKE TRUSTS ABOLITION (IRELAND)
BILL.
This bill woe read • third time sad
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.
Tilde bill was nod • third time and awed.
TRANSFER OF LAND.

Lord ST. LEONARD'S lard on the table a bill for simpli-
fying the titles to land, and detailed at great length the evils
of the existing system.
After considerable diseumion, in which the Lord Chan-
cellor, Lord Brougham, and Lotd Campbell took part, the
bill was reed a first time.
THE OATH OF ARItiIIATI9N,

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ltdik" catered at kip Me Ole lesed garde. rinse to
the oath of abjuring emm rink( dr skins of hors to
perareen Nordin theiand wink were* ea the
nee to the Conan& the nth try • tooohilka of
that beer go far se Is Dena dedeadld to his
mat, le dereeeted • seep whisk he eireeeterked is • coup
la* mil pommeled to deeulle die =km ineeneeere,
eneltatinal end yee& it wend bean If the wan
tosew pree &add be pen& le. it ow& to him thion
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la die owley. le moo.
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&wit we le deal aMMINNSO. rod le Illolsa
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Xerripto or to Ike Timer of lairke. the people went elm
is Me &ken (Midis.) Theo UMW of Common meet
=re din thaEdirwerad els the jedata of the lard
arti ma mom, eel with re reek to.
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to tke al& of the Eppel to which he bed re-
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to see re me
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task affisfiffs,emehoet the dm ilea lid L Setrat
wire die werk el Sok runt.. went be suominik lit
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Lied BROUGHAM beret as is htdiseted .ct
Inuit he Aim dose es emplee aisewheiress the to which
his sells est Waist hind het wheelot. H. always
:Eelsale sat hand MEd bad arvisi lie deetriee
at • go. teal tee fer, bat there mewed be be
were diegsweilatrt smelt Imam. -la see cue
veld se weld have bees scarcely
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reenlar et the et Oemeem • WNW, com-
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Tbs &OA ibis dropped, and the bottle edjoeused at five
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TuEoDAT, JULY 21.
(Continued from yeeteedey's Erpress.)
BANKING BILL.
On clause 12,
Mr. 11. B. SHERIDAN ead be bad a etaag objection
to the requirement in this claw that the shares should be
1001. in amount.
Mr. KINOLAKE said that the bill would la his opinion
led to the creation of beaks which weal not abed suffi-
cient security to the public. Under this bill banks called
the Royal Board of Trade Bank or the Royal Robert Lowe
Bank would be atablialted, and the public, led away by these
attractive names, would to induced to invest and oat their
money in them.
Mr. LOWE said that he knew of no valid reason why the
amount of the elms should be 1001. mare than any other
nun, but the law was so now. With regard to the more
am-
portant question raised by the hoer. member behind him (Mr.
)(Isaias), it was not the object or intention of this bM to
throw say securities rowel the bade of banking. As the
law now stood any six persons could form a private bank,
and he merely proposed that seven persons should have the
power adobes what az venous could do, =der • corporate
name, and mumg the capable of =ID/ and being sued
under that name. He did not think it was possible for any
remnant to protect the public. Individuals must protect
tLimaelw, by their own vigilance and care. The law re-
quired the Brit nto Bank to have a certain amount of paid-
up
• but every one knew how that law had been
Every other trade In this costar, was precticallyfree, end
he maw no man whatever foe making an
_exception in the
case of the banking trade. He couldunderstand why existing
bankers should oppose the present bill, but he could not un-
derhand why any one sh.ma oppose it on the pert of the
public. He wee sure of this, that no freeloader could oppose
it. (Hear, hear.)
The clause wad then agreed to, as were the other clauses
of the bill.
LOAN SOCIETIES BILL.
This bill was read a third time and pared.
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.
This bill was read a third time and peened.
BOUNDERIES OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read • third time end pared.
PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) BILL.
This 10 was reed a third time and
LAND AND ASSESSED TAXES (SCOTLAND)
BILL.
This bill was read • third time and peered.
• PUBLIC HEALTH ACT (ALDERSHOTT) BILL.
This bill was read • third time and peeped.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY (IRELAND)

Some new clauses mars Nig& this bill.
MALDON ELECTION PETITION.

Sir J. THOLLOPE brought up the report of the com-
mittee, which gated that Thomas Sutton Western and John
Bromley Moore, &qrs., were duly elected toserve as !nursers
in the present parliament for the rough of Malden.
The louse adjourned at four o'clock till air..
TM house remained at sin o'clock.
LISBURN ELECTION.
The SPEAKER informed the house the, he had received
• letter from the agents for the petitioners complaining of an
nadire return for the borough of Lisburn, elating that it was
not their intention to pressed with the petition.
THE MERSEY CONSERVANCY BILL.
Mr. TO LLEM ACHE asked Sir J. Graham • question on
the subject of the remarks that MI from hire in delivering
the derision of the committee on the Mersey Coneerraney
Bill. He understood that the tight Ikon. baronet, in deliver-
ing the daeldon atlas committee, add that they were relieved
from lb* amenity of osaidgriag the plubtillie of the bill,
as the home, by passing the second reeding without
• division. had senetimeed ; be wished to know
from the right bon. Wesel whether ha considered that
the Home of Commons, by agreeing to the second reading
of a private bill, shoold be held, eceording to the present
practice, to have no ler &firmed the principle SI to bind the
committee.
Sir 0. GREY submitted to the boner that this was a
question as to smatter of opinion which the right hon. baro-
net was net called on to answer. (Hmr.)
Mr. TOLLEMAC HE considered the question one of great
Importance, and begged to appeal to the Speaker for his
opinion on it.
Tice SPEAKER did not consider he had the facts before
him en an to enable him to express any opinion on the point
Mewl by the hoe. member. (Hear.)
Mr. TOLLEMACHE would put the question in another
hrs. Did the house, by passing the second reading of it
private bill, affirm the principle of it
The SPEAK EH, es we underetood, appealed to the house
whether he ought to answer the question
Mr. WALPOLE considered the question raised tfi lie one
of gnat importance, and if his hon. friend wished to have the
deckles of the house on It—(and the house might ultimately
decide, whatever opinion the Speaker might then eaprers),—
he ought to bring it forward on notice, and not trouble the
Speaker to express an opinion when the facts were not be-
fore him. (Haar, hear.)
MAYO ELECTION.
Colonel FRENCH gave nodes that on Thunder y nest he
would move the WM. ola new emit for the comity of Mayo.
BUSINESS OF_ THE
.HOUSE.—TESTAMENTARY

IUItIBBICTION BILL.
Lord PALMERSTON said it migbt be coeviolent to the
house to know that he proposed to take supply on Thursday
evening The committoe en the Testamentary Jurisdiction
Bill, which stood for that evening, would be postponed to
that day week.
Mr. CAIRD said that as he did not wish to stand in the
way of the bowie, he would postpone the notioe which stood
in his name until after that of the noble lord the member for
London—(hear, hear)—provided other hoe. members did the
sumo, and would allow him to come after the noble lord.
Mr. MACKINNON postponed hamotica until the 11th of
August. (A laugh.)
Mr. STAPLETON and Mr. Clasen also nee way.

OATHS VALIDITY ACT AIMIfitKENi BILL.
Lad J. RUSSELL then tees to bring forward his bill,
bat was interrupted by
Mr. NEW BEGATE, who said ho wished to put • ques-
tion to the Speaker before the noble lord proceeded. On
every previous occasion when • bill had been introduced for
the purpose of altering the oaths to be taken by members,
a revolution on which to found the bill had first been
proand agreed to in a committee of the whole home.
tI wee true roe the present bill of the noble lord MIA nominally
only • bill to amend the act I and 2 Vie. c. 10.5, but it was,
in point of fact, • bill to alter the oaths to be taken, and for
the nine object and purpose as the seven or eight other bills
that had been introduced is se many previous sessions. He
had never known any OM instance in which the
ordinary practice of the home had been departed from, and
he begged to sok the Speaker whether. se the bill of
the noble lord had the man object ea these other
bills, he ought not, in enmplimate with the standing
order which required all bar rid
_to mann of religion
tele moved in a co:mains. of the tele boom, to follow the
servo tomes es hod tome egegbi re privies' secancriss with
Mk for the isms pupae sag object f The see which the
noble lend now proposal to seised had been introdaced into
the other luireely -Lord Damen in 1838. He (Mr. Newde-
gate) had not born able to enartain whether was •
similar standing order in the Home of Lords, lout he found
that en bringing up the ripen al the bill several chasm were
struck out which woad ham s— "-°-d the object the
noble lord now hod is view.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Bohm yea mom tingesak sir,
I leave to explain to Sr boa. glathmea *shows
that lis act propose to be soy alteration I. the oaths.
Whatever I lam Aar se I bow okays leas 1 to a eon-
Wien of the whole hem, b somplisasselek the semollag
crates.. The prevent Alb I hem to mho is-right dem sot
Art lb say may the ealb to lo tam ; It only abets the
semeasr la which them sighs may be takes; it rather re-
sembles the bill with mad to the oath to be taken by
gambol, which did set alter the oaths, but the mode of
hada(
The SPGamEAKER rah& that the aphis lad woo its order.
Lord J. RUSSELL then moved far leave to bring in •
bill to amend the Act let owl bi Thieriot, chop. 106, In-
Waled "Ave Lot for essesselog Doehts es ts the Velldity of
tatela oar.; His ollsetdis esY, wet le Mei le " bill
of tint he larval to be tbs gamma principle of
tbo‘stserVible , sal te :=the Mgt Cost of
Pedimsat. TWA in the ems of
" Omishmei v. lolme, ma that oaths wars to be
Wen be t u Ens mg manor Wailer apes the ma-
seisms of tiro who leek the soy. la the Oish
of Mewed= the words, "at the Air ibith of
a ChAMlsa." it woe elesr, from the origia of the ask
were not • test of the Christianity of the pima'
tablas the Nth, tat el his loyalty; veal paallsal

of parliament, in the use of Qualm. MINIM diet these •
words were not of the substance, had el dm seism gem of
the to make it more binding Epos Sams CMatriles. It
appeared
to him that, with the concurrence of the sorra-
mitt, and with a large majority of the House of Comore
in its favour, the other house would not reject the bill.
Looking to the course taken by the House of Lords in the
case of Lord Wensleydale, he thought it somewhat
grating to the House of Commons, and even humili-
sting, to be told that it had not the power to
permit a member elected by the city of London
be Wm hie seat in that boose. It in (said the noble lord)
=I think, that the House of Commons can cm-
leaser in this state—(chess)—which I cannot
het seeskise to los a elate of degradation. (Cheers.) I there-
fall Mk the hers is anew me lean to introduce this bill
I ask this that members may see the bill, end
may form m opinion as to whether or not It will
solve the Mlllculty I do not think that hon. gentlemen •
opposite have a right. to flatter themeless that this question
is to be Mowed to sleep for the next ten years. (Cheers.) I
I think we are bound to pursue it in one form or another.
(Hear, hear.) Let us du so with as much moderation as we I
can. We have already shown much moderation—(cheess)—
the City of London hen shown much patience ; but Ido not I
think that it is a period in which we ought to adopt a pre-
cadent showing that, whatever may be the powers of the
Hors of Lords, whatever may be the powers of the other
breaches of the legislature, the House of Commons is utterly
powerless on a question of grave public policy, on • question
slat to civil and religious liberty, on • question involving
the 6iglrt principles of law—that upon such a question we
me utterly impotent and have nothing to do but to sit down •
with degradation. (Cheer.) The noble lord concluded by
moving for leave to bring in the bill.
Mr. WALI'OLE commented upon the anomalous and, se
he maintained, unprecedented course adopted by Lord J.
Karen in introdncing a measure eutrantially. identical with
me previously rejected during the same session. He pro- I
ceeded to deprecate any proceeding calculated to challenge I
oolliaion with the House of Lords.
Mr. DILLWYN professed himself ready to vote for the •
bill, although he preferred the readier and more certain pro-
ere of a simple resolution, in defence of which be suggested
sexy consideration,.
Mr. PALK opposed the bill.
Mr. GILPIN said that this question bad long since ceased '
to be equation of Jew or no Jew, and had become one of •
political principle, and of civil and religious liberty, being
aim, secondly, but hardly secondly, a question of the privi-
=end liberty of the House of Commons. (Hear Mar.)
the rigid hon. member for Cambridge University
talked so loudly of the privileges of the House of Lords, he
seamed to leave the privileges of the House of Commons out
of consideration altogether. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Gilpin)
*eked the house to consider whether they were from ten
years to ten years to go on submittiog to be roughridden, for
it came to that, by the other branch of the legislature.
(Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman said that the hour was
in an extraordinary po.ition, but who had
.placed it in that
position? He (Mr. Gilpin) should say the right hon. gentle-
MAD'. self and colleagues. (Hear,.) And when the
right hon. gentleman spike of the satitution of the country
hie (Mr. Gilpin'is) reeding told him that it was never intended
that two integral portions of the constitution, the sovereign,
as represented by her minister, and that hour should be
subservient to the will of a third. (Hear, hear.) Another
hon. member talked of infidelity, but what he meant was
infidelity to hie own peculiar views. Orthodoxy it seemed
was the bon member's douey, and heterodoxy was any other
man's dingy. (A laugh.) It reminded him of the lines of
Thomas Hood :
A man who eries church, church, at every word,
Is not more pions found than other people.
A dew Is not a meet religious bird
Because it caws from every lofty steeple.
He did not think that say religious principle was involved
in the liberation of the Jews, fur the fact was that the Jew
was excluded for his conacientiousnese. Let him only swear
"on the true faith of a Christian," and no one could
refuse him admission. (Ilear, hear.) A collision with the
Lords was of course to be deprecated ; but there was one
thing still more to be deprecated, and that was that the
freely-elected representatives of the Commons of England
should allow their majorities to be overruled, and their
principle* to become a dead letter, because there wan en
advert,. majority in the Lords. The hon. member alluded to
the absence of popular excitement on this subject this was
certainly • new doctrine coming from a quemer which had
always deprecated subminion to popular excitement. (Hem,
hear.) He (Mr. Gilpin) did not mean to under-
value the force of public opinion collected at public
meetings, but he thought the wisest way in refo-
rms to a question of principle would be not to wait
until a pressure from without took away the grace of free con-
(+mien. But the fact was that the question resolved itself
into a question of earnestness or want of earneetneas on
the part of the Treasury bench. If it were once un-
derstood that the noble lord at the bead of the government
was determined to carry this bill, the bill would be carried.
(Hear, hear.) It was foe the noble lord to say to the upper
home
"Princes and peers may flourish or may We,
A berth can make then, as • breath has made."

Let him eSTSthsTs se—rinelend--.ll.—sila—drr—SnTnks—e—seight bo
increased, and then doped menY lie r mead be carried
without any mach eerie efthecegres (Hear, beat.)
tdr. Nk.WDEOATII sedd
the attempt now being made he =Matte a=
into the belief that no principle wee Wasted by this Wm.
to coolie a co-ordinate branch of this legiellkorh(ll4.2,l
hear.) The House of Leeds represented the bed
e=
the country; if it were not so it could not have 11e
various eucressive measures of the House at Oesasese es
this subject; and limy attempt were made to arose
excitement in referenee to it, the religiousfeeling/te
country would awake, as it did awake in 1754, in resisting
such an attack upon the Christian character of the Meek-
lure. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. COX assured the hon. gentleman that he had
no desire, in voting for the admission of Bares
Rothschild, to unchrigianiee the House of Commons.
The question wee one of civil and religious liberty.
Having granted emancipation to the Roman catholic*
and aboliebed the Test and Corporation Acts for the relief of
the diesenters. It was no more than simple justice that when
• conetituency elected • Jew as their representative in puffs.
matt he should have the right to take his seat, and carry
out the duty to which he had been deter:oiled. (Hear.) The
Minims of London had shown their feeling in the matter by
the Baron Ran
othechild over end over again, dbe
e(taraadrox) had no doubt that if the baron was by the decision
of the house now called Kea to redeem his pledge by resign-
ing his seat, that they would again elect him. The eitieens
of London and the electors of the nictropolia generally
were determined that the question should be brought to an
issue; sod whether by the House of Lords agreeing with the
House of Commons in a specific enactment, or by a resolu-
tion of the Lower House, vindicating their own privileges, it
I was the determination of the constituent body to have the
matter brought toe final settlement. The noble lord now
proposed to introduce a Lai, with the view of bringing
the question once more under the consideration of
the House of Lords during the present session.
He (Mr. Cox) did not think such a proceeding
politic
a sied to aa
move He
by way of endm aleantigi;li nl hd prepared hie
cholilae
bees solka, declaring that the house had the right to alter
estis no it might see tit, and that upon any member ap-
posingt, at the table to be *warn, and objecting to the words
°Os the true faith of a Christian," the clerk should be di-
reehA to administer the oath omitting those words. Some of
his boa. friends who agreed with him on the general gametes
did Set concur in the propriety of his submitting this amend.
ma/, mate was therefore reluctantly induced to abandon
the tea. It wee said that such a proposition was revo-
lutionary. (Hear, hear.) But was the house master of its
own proceedings or not ° (Hear, bear.) lied the house the
right to alter the oath. (Cries of " No, no," from the oppo-
sition.) Why, they had altered the oath. (Hoir, hear.)
They had altered it on their own responsibility to facilitate
the admission of Quakers.
An HON. MEMBER—No; under the authority of a
statute.
Mr. COX contended that if they were competent to alter
it in the ease of the Quokers be omitting the words Bo
help me Clod," they were equally competent to direct the
ornhelen of the words " On the tree faith of • Christian" in
the case of Jews. (Hear, hear.) He regretted that the noble
lord proposed to bring the house into collieion with the
House of Lords—not that he cored for such collision, for the
two house had been in collision heretofore. They were in
collieion for two or three *menu on the Reform
Bill, and he was not aware that either the country
or the House of Commons suffered from it in the
end. He was sorry to say that the House of Leeds
was too far behind the age. ("Oh," and laughter.) It was the
Housed Commons that repreeented the vowel of the people,
not the Ileum of Lords, and let collision come when it might,
the House of Lords most in the end give way. (Hear.)
Mr. LIDDELL. as one of those who had given his vote
in favour of the echuireion of the Jews, and who was
pre-
pared to take the same course again on every fitting occasion,
wished to explain why be could not support the proposition
of the-noble Iced. He considered it • flaw to the constitution
to allow • person to be elected by the constituent body end
then fee tbe elected body to shut their doors against him
when he came to take his seat. It was time that this un-
elezil contest between the elector.of London and theelected
terminate. (Hair, hear.) Bat he looked with more
anxiety upon the contest between the two branches of the
legislature, and theocrat* he could not make up his mind to
atrium* tbs noble lord's propoeiffon. He thongnt the
lord had chosen a moat inopportune moment
for agitating the queutkin. He should like to know what
there was in this nmesure that was likely to be more palata-
ble to the other boom than the bill which the had soreeen, tl
sista f He did not see why the Howe of should
not take the responsibility upon itself of laying down • rule
to admit these members it chose to admit There was bat
one reason against it, and that was the question of penalties;
bat that night be got over by a Teddiltlol2 declaring it to be '
a breach of privilege for say person to take an action at law
=• member admitted by the home to take hie mat.
nesae pendent foe • tesolaticed that kind, bat there