The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-11-02 00:00:00

THE NORTHERN DAILY TES•

(Hear, hear.) I think we can appeal to them on the
grounds of justice to ourselves. Where is there another
body of men who so freely admit every man without let
or hindrance to come in amongst us. (Hear, hear.) We
have among the members here a very large proportion
who have been working men in Liverpool themselves.
We have natives of England, Ireland, and Scotland. We
have gentlemen from the continent, and the colonies,
and I believe we have a gentleman who has recently
arrived from the United States. We offer no oppo-
sition to any man. We can go further and appeal to their
patriotism. Any man deserving the name of a patriot,
ought to be ashamed to think, whilst his fellow countryman
is perhaps actually in a state of strvation, or beggary at all
events, and he has not only enough, but to spare, not able
actually to eat the meat that is set before him,—that under
such circumstances he would not admit him to a share of
his good things. (Hear, .hear.) I think no man can stand up
and call himself an Englishman, who can boldly acknow-
ledge himself a participator in such a sentiment as this.
(Hear, hear.) And, gentlemen, finally I think there is a
higher and a nobler call yet, an irresistablc call, if indeed we
are not mis-named Christians, and indifferent to the commands
of our Divine Master. We ought at least to be prepared to
meet here on something like
__grounds of concession,
'1 • ell men -- - _ -

Aing unto all men as we would all-men should do unto us,
it is one of the greatest, and yet one of the simplest of
the Divine commands. (Hear, hear.) I would, therefore.
appeal to these men, in justice to the shipowners, in justice
to ourselves, as patriots, as Englishmen, and above all,
under the sacred name they bear as Christians, to abandon
the false position in which they have- now placed themselves,
to come forward as honest men, and to meet us on the plat-
form of fairness and liberality on which we now challenge
them to meet us, and if they do not do so, if they accept not
those propositions, if they go on in the same course which,
I am sorry to say, they are at this moment pursuing, why,
then, gentlemen, we can only go forth to the fight with the
conviction in our hearts, that we have done everything we
could—that our course is justified by God and man, and fight
the good battle of justice, reason, and religion. (Applause.)
I. would now propose that the resolution, which was to
have been submitted, should-not be proposed until the pror
position which I have made is fairly and calmly tried. Ile
would, therefore, move that Friday should be the day to
take the average.
Mr. W. B. JONES seconded the proposition of Mr. Gray-
son

A dioeunsion followed as to which day the number of extra
men required by the masters should be taken, many of the
men being generally absent on the Monday and Tuesday ; but
ultimately Saturday was fixed upon for taking the number,
the secretary to report the result of his enquiry to the
association on the Monday morning following.
The CHAIRMAN begged to remind the meeting that the
question was then introduction of strangers. It was not so
much apprentices or wages as it was the introduction of
strangers. The apprentices were part and parcel of the men
themselves.
Mr.CLAYTON cordially agreed with what had fallen from Mr.
Grayson. The question before them was the employment
of strangers. The men passed a resolution at their meeting
that they would work with whom they pleased, and he was
only surprised they had not gone a little farther, and said
they would work for whom they pleased. Now he (Mr.
Clayton) thought he had a right to come to a similar reso-
lution. He had a very good feeling towards the Liverpool
men and to their club, but if those men would not use
him as he wished to use them, they should become two,
and if they made a split it would be hard to get them
together again. He (Mr. Clayton) was not very
easily provoked, but when he saw men whom
he had had to work for him on one ship for months
together, in fact since last April, leave him it was too bad.
Three linen, named Dunphy, Wade, and Mitchell, left him
to go to the north-end of the town, to go to a ship of Mr.
Royle's, at 10s. per day. He did not believe that Mr.
Royle or Mr. Glover knew anything about it, neither did
he wish to have those men back, for any man who left his
employ never came back. But there was a moral wrong in
a man leaving his work before a job was finished upon which
he was engaged. He could not, under those circumstances.
geta fair day's work for a fair day's pay. The system which the
men appeared to be carrying. out by going from one ship to
another, was to create disunion amongst the masters. (Hear,
hear.) He was inclined to believe this from the way in
which his men left him. Mr. Neal, in his speech in the
Concert Hall, offered to build a new ship in the port of
Liverpool, for £2 10s. per ton. He took that on the state-
ment of ss. per day. Now, he maintained, if a man did a
fair day's work for a fair day's pay, surely they could repair
a ship for the same amount they could build one. In April
last he put a ship, the great bulk of which belonged to
himself, into the graving dock to lengthen her 32 feet in
the middle. The centre part of a ship could be put in as
easily and as cheaply, as a new ship could be built, for there
were the dead flats, &c. Now the ship had not beams in
her, -no ceiling, no breast hooks in the deck. She was
planked up to the gunwale, and he had paid for wages on that
ship over £2los. per ton. He now made them an offer to give
them £1 per ton more to finish her, which would make
£3 10s. per ton, in repairs for labour alone. Perhaps 111
might give them a little more if they came to make a bar-
gain. They said there was enough of men in Liverpool to
worlt. _ 41

there was not—(rear, hedr) —but he thought if they
would take the work, as piece work, that would add
500 or 600 to their number, and they might get through ;he
work of the port. But the question had been raised not
only between themselves and the men, but also between
themselves and the public at large, as to who were the rias-
ters. The men seemed to think the ship-owners wen the
masters. He (Mr. Clayton) maintained they the master
shipwrights were ; they paid the wages and were liable for it,
and they got no value out of those wages. In all other ports
this was not the case. In Cumberland the masters clarged
I 0 per cent. for paying the wages, and in London tley got
6d. per day on the men. In his own firm, during tle year,
they had paid in wages from £15,000 to £20,00), if he
had 10 per cent. on it, it would be more than he coal realise
from apprentices. They had the same in all other ports.
With regard to apprentices he had one thing to atm. Three
of his apprentices were, yesterday, sent out of a dip where

they exceeded the propOition of Woys allowed to be number
of men, and the men would have left the ship if those boys
had not gone back to_the yard, although he haC five other
ships on which there was not a single apprentee at Work ;
in fact he did not keep a large stock of those -oung gentle-
men, having no building yard, and not feelivg it just to
have a large number of apprentices without giving them a
fair chance to learn their trade. (Hear, Ivan) He sug-
gested that piece-work should be connected with Mr. Gray-
son's motion, and this would relieve them wry much.
Mr. Torrps agreed with Mr. Clayton that piece work
would go a great way to remedy the evil. He had himself
proposed this before, seeing it was the system carried out in
the United States and the Colonies. He rather thought, th e
men would accede to this and he was still of opinion that
there were good men enough in Liverpwl without the help
of strangers, to do the work if they could try a book of
prices. If they would not do so it vas indispensable they
should have a stand-up fight.
Mr. CLAYTON remarked that in Loidon all work was done
by piece work, according to a book of prices. The London
rate of wages was 6s. per day, ani as wages in Liverpool
ranged at 7s. per day, he proposed that 10 per cent be added
to the London prices.
Mr. GRAYSON remarked that ;his would form a part of
the consideration of the committee appointed.
After a brief discussion the notion of Mr. Grayson was
carried, and the consideration of the propriety of adver-
ising for strangers deferred. In the course of the conversation
a doubt was expressed as to whether there were 1,700 ship-
wrights in Liverpool, and it was suggested that not only the
number of men required by each master should be ascer-
tained, but also the number of men in each master's employ.
Mr. FITZPATRICK complained that what he had said at a
previous meeting was entirely misrepresented in the ilio•cury's
report. His observations applied only to apprentices, and he
never said a single syllable about journeymen. In vferenee
to-the lads going to Thiblin and other places, lie Aid they
would "tire them out," but he never used the worts "starve
them out,", attributed to him in the Mercury.
The CHAIRMAN confirmed Mr. Fitzpatrick's statement.
Mr, FITZPATRICK remarked with reference to -un away
apprentices he was sorry Mr. M'Clean was not present.
Mr. JONES hoped personalities would be ovoidal.
The CHAIRMAN read the following applicati'n from the
ship joiners for an increase of wages

"Club Room of tie L. S. J. A.
20th Oct&er, 1853.
"Sir—We, the Liverpool ship joiners tak, the liberty of
submitting to your notice the following Jequest. In con-
sequence of the advanced rate of prices generally on articles
of consumption, &c., we find our present rate of wages
inadequate to 'meet the demand; therepre we have come to
the conclusion that a request be reavectfully made to the
employers for an advance of one shillag per day, commencing
on the Ist of November. We true that on giving this due
consideration, you will acknowledge it as a reasonable request.
"Signed on behalf of the Association,
gewd. BROWNE. President.
WINTOX, Vice-President.
4titEECE NANNERZ, Secretary.
'Wm. ASHTON Treasurer."

A converation follower', in which it was stated that the
ship joiners, had been raid one shilling per day less than
the shipwrights. and 41e wages of the latter, were now 7s.
per day, they were eititled to the increase.
A motion for an increase of 6d. per day was carried.
In reply to questions from the Chairman,
Mr. M'ELROY stated that Bs. per day was being paid by
Mr. Milligan. on a ship in the Sandon Dock; and that a
Dutch master was paying at the same rate. Mr. Sotherbury
was also piing the same wages.
Mr. JolEs suggested that the latter gentleman should be
written Jo, and if he did not give a satisfactory answer, that
he should be fined £5.

Mr. CROSBY reported that Mr. Sotherbury also carted
mer down to his ship.

A discussion then followed as to a larger allowance
rate for appprentices, but eventually the subject was re-
ferred for the consideration of the committee.

A vote of thanks was then passed to the Chairman, and
e proceedings terminated.

On Monday, a woman named Ellen O'Brien, was
found in the canal by the Bushington bridge, floating on
the water, and quite dead,

EMPORIUM for FOREIGN and BRITISH
SHAWLS AND MANTLES,

BOLD-

STREET

J. MACLENNAN begs to intimate that he is. now
SHOWING his new STOCK of WINTER SHAWLS and
MANTLES, and would draw especial attention to the

MANTLE Department, which is unusually large and well
assorted, both in Styles and Materials, having made arrange-
ments with a first-class Paris House to send. all Novelties as
soon as they appear in Paris.
N.-X.—An inspection is invited, and on no account will
any lady be importuned to purchase, but will meet with the
greatest civility.

POLICE v COURTS.---E STE RDAY.

LIVERPOOL,

CHARGE OF RAPE AGAINST. A POLICEMAN.—The magis-
trates were engaged for a considerable time in investigating
a charge of rape made against Thomas Davis, police-officer
37.

Officer 43, deposed that, at a quarter-past three o'clock,
yesterday morning, Mrs.. Catherine Gregg gave prisoner in
charge to him at George's pier. (Prisoner's beat is No. 1,
Prince's dock.) The person charging said, that prisoner
had committed an indecent assault upon her sister, at her
dwelling. house, 15, Coburgh-street, Park.
Mary Horsefield, the prosecutrix, deposed that she had
been staying with her sister, Mrs. Gregg, at Toxteth-park,
for the last:fortnight ; she had known the prisoner for the
last three or four months, who lodged in the" same house,
which is kept by her brother-in-law, who is also in the
police. On Monday evening, her mother and sister went
out; leaving her alone at home to get prisoner his dinner.
There was no one left in the house but a sick man, named
John Simpson, who was in bed in a back room on the
second floor, and who is also a police-officer, (No. 183.)
Prisoner came home to his dinner, which he had in the
kitchen, on the cellar floor of the house. Whilst witness
was removing the table after the prisoner had taken this
meal, he suddenly caught hold of her, and threw her with
violence on a sofa in the room. The witness then detailed
the circumstances of a rape. She made all the resistance in
her power, but prisoner stifled her screaming by placing his
face over her mouth. Immediately after he had effected his
purpose, there was a knock at the street door, and the pri-
soner left the room and openedlt, when prosecutrix's mother
and sister came in, and the moment they entered the house,
she complained of the ill-treatment she had received from
the prisoner. _

In cross-examination by Mr. Owen for the defence, it
was elicited that, on two former 'occasions, prisoner had
attempted liberties with the prosecutrix, but she had resisted
them; they had not been carried to the extent of indecency.
After the girl had given her evidence, she fainted, and
was removed from the court.
Catherine Gregg deposed that on Monday evening, she
and her mother were out. They returned at a quarter to 7
o'clock, and the prisoner opened the street door for them.
Witness asked him where her sister was, because she ex-
pected that the latter would have opened the door. He
made some evasivereply. On going intothe kitchen she found
her sister with her hair hanging about her neck, standing
against the dining table, apparently in a most exhausted
state. The first words she said were, "Oh ! you must
never leave me alone with Davis again." Witness then
asked the prisoner what he had been doing to her sister,
and his reply was, " Nothing."
One of the surgeons of the Southern Hospital gave evidence
as to the medical features of the case, but although his tes-
timony was very far from conclusive, it did not in any way
refute the testimony of the. prosecutrix.
Mr. Owens said that he could not avoid admitting that an
assault had taken place, but he was sure the magistrates
would hesitate' in dealing with the case as one of the graver
offence. The future prospects of his client, who was a pub-
lic officer, depended on their decision, which if unfavourable,
would render him a marked man for ever. He hoped
the circumstances were such as would justify him in request-
ing a remand.
The magistrates said they would willingly comply with
this request, and give the prisoner every facility for
his defence. The case was accordingly remanded
CHARGE OF FELONIOUSLY ENTERING} A DWELLING'
HOUSE.—Frank M'Cullagh was charged by Mrs. Luff, Dub-
lin Vaults, Regent-road, with having, on Tuesday morning,
come into her shop and passing into the bedroom where she
was sitting, sliding cautiously on all fours. She gave the
alarm, but prisoner escaped by a private stair and door-way.
Mr. Luff, went in pursuit, with two officers and never
lost sight of the prisoner until they succeeded in arresting
him in Carlow-street. There was no property missed. He
was remanded to this day, that enquiries might be made
about him.

LARCENIES.—John Browne was convicted of stealing a
quantity of butter on Monday evening, out of the London-
derry shed, in the north west corner of the Clarence dock.
He was sentenced to two months' imprisonment.
Mary Smith was remanded, charged with stealing a shawl
from the pawn-office of Mr. Kehoe, of Vauxhall-road, and
attempting to pawn it at Rawlins, in Scotland-road. As
her till this day, to make enquiries.
Thomas Ambrose was remanded, charged with stealing
bacon from a shop in Vauxhall-road. The bacon was found
on his person by constable 199, and identified.
EXTENSIVE ROBBERIES BY FEMALE SERVANTS— Catherine
Bryan was sent for trial to the sessions, charged with steal-
ing a large quantity of wearing apparel, from the house of
Walter Hart, Porter-street, the property of that person and
Margaret M'Analty. The prisoner had only been two days
a domestic servant in the employ, when she made off with
this booty, which she pledged at four different places, and
raised four pounds upon them. There were gowns, coats,
sheets, boots, shawls, &c., &c. She had scarcely gone away,
when the property was missed, and her badly treated em-
ployers found her in the hands of the police, on the charge
of a distinct robbery, committed in a lodging-house the night
after absconding.
Harriet Davis and Mary Mooney, were sent for trial upon
a charge of stealing wearing apparel and shop goods, from
the house of Mr. Jones, druggist, in Paradise-street, where
the first prisoner lived as servant. The second prisoner was
a washerwoman, whom Mr. Jones occasionally employed.
and she had received the stolen property into her house in
Bolton-street.
PICKING PocKETs.--.Miehael _Kilmartin, and Mary Kil-
martin, his wife, were charged by detective officer Bovey,
with attempting to pick pockets on Monday. He had
watched them going up Ranelagh-street, from thence to
Church-street. Here the woman went into the Liver
House, whilst the man stood at the door. He saw the fe-
male attempt to pick a lady's pocket in the shop, but without
success. They then proceeded down Whitechapel, and the
woman went into a grocer's shop, and there made an at-
tempt at an old lady's pocket, when the officer arrested both
prisoners, on whom he found £4 12s. 71d. The male pri-
soner was sentenced to be imprisoned for three months; his
wife was discharged.
ROBBING A PARENT.—A DISTRESSING CASE.—John Mon-

caster, was charged by his father with stealing a watch and
other property from his house, 17, Sawney Pope-street. The
father, who seemed a respectable man, said that the prisoner
was always sent to school, and everything had been done
for him ; but now, at fourteen years of age, he was afraid
he was getting into confirmed bad habits. The magistrates
remanded the prisoner for a week, in order ,that something
might be done for him.
ROBBERY IN THE SHIP " AVON." - Enoell Green, a
dock plumber, was sentenced to three months' imprisonment
for breaking open two chests in the ship " Avon," bound
for Australia, and stealing a pair of flannel drawers.
DARING STREET ROBBERY. = William Campbell, was
charged by Mr. Richard Houghton, with robbing him of
his watch, at the corner of Whitechapel, on Monday night,
about nine o'clock. The prosecutor stated that two persons
-came up to him and asked him what time it was, and as
-as ho took out his watch to compare it with that of the
church, one of the men snatched it dexterously from him,
cutting the ribbon to which it was attached. In a moment
both the fellows made of, the prisoner shouting " stop
thief," much more lustily than the prosecutor. When
arrested, the prisoner accused a gentleman who had helped
'to stop him of being the thief. The watch not being found,
the prisoner was remanded for a week to permit of search
being made for it, and the other thief is to be looked after.

Michael Dunn, . marine store-dealer, Sprainger-street,
was summoned by police officer 317, charged with dealing
in marine stores without having a license. He was fined in
a penalty of £lO.
THROWING STONES.—John Anderson was charged with
throwing stones and breaking a pane of glass. It apyeared
from the evidence, that the prisoner had been in the
workhouse, and came out last Thursday. He made appli-
cation on the following day. (Friday,) to go in again, and
upon the prosecutor refusing to give him an order, he
broke a pane of glass in prosecutor's window. He was
ordered to pay six-pence, (the value of the pane of glass,)
and costs ; in default, to be imprisoned for one month in the
house of correction, with hard labour.
FURIOUS DRIVING—SERIOUS ACCIDENT.—Edward Lou,-
cock was charged with driving over a lady, in Anson-street,
It appeared that the prisoner was a little intoxicated, and
was driving very furiously through Anson-street, when the
horse ran upon the parapet and knocked a lady dowri, when
the cart rolled over her, thereby fracturing her arm,
and also inuring her leg. She is at present lying in a
very precarious condition. He was fined 40s. and costs, or
be imprisoned for one month.
BREAKING WINDOWS.—Mary A. Johnson was dharged
by Mr. Godfrey, with breaking a large pane of glass,
valued at 10s. She was ordered to pay the damage and
costs ; in default of payment to be imprisoned for one
month.

SMITGGLING.—Tames Kilton and John Collins, seamen,
on board the ship "Astrologer," were each charged with
smuggling a pound of foreign manufactured tobacco,
which was found concealed on their persons. They were
ordered to pay 10s. each, the single value of the tobacco.
A man named Yates, for being drunk, and fighting in
Great Homer-street, with a knife in his hand, was fined 10s.
or to be imprisoned for twenty-one days.

MANCHESTER

CAUTION TO ►SPIRIT MEacH.arrrs.—. Yesterday, at the
City Police Court, Manchester, an information was preferred

against Mr. Charles Coburn, wholesale spirit merchant,
Old Millgate, for having, on the 6th of August, sold a
bottle of rum by retail, not having a license to do so.
Mr. Francis Robinson, solicitor, was for the complainant,
and Mr. R. B. Cobbett, solicitor, for the defendant. Ephraim
Anderson, an excise officer,,stated that he went ,to the place
of business of Mr. Coburn on Saturday, the 6th of August.
His place of business was at 17, Old Millgate, where he
carried - on the business of a wholesale spirit merchant.
When he went into the defendant's place of business he
asked for a bottle of rum. He was supplied with the bottle
produced, for which he paid half-a-crown, and brought it
away. Mr. Coburn was not authorised to sell less than two
gallons at that place, for he had no, retail license. Mr.
Cobbett, on the part of the defendant, explained that the
latter kept a retail establishment adjoining :his wholesale
place of business, and that no offence against the law was
intended. He complained that the excise officer's evidence
proved that he had gone to the defendant's place of business
for the purpose of entrapping him. The bench convicted the
defendant, and fined him in a penalty of £5O.

Sir Joseph Paxton, is at present on a visit to
Manchester, the guest of William Fairbairn Esq., F.R.S.
Jenny Lind (Madame Goldschmidt) intends to
come to London next year, to resume her professional occu-
pation as a concert singer. Her vocal powers are said to
be in no way impaired by her change of condition.
The North British Railway Company have applied to the
Court of Sessions for an interdict to prevent the Caledonian
and Edinburgh and Glasgow Companies making use of the
station. at Waverley Bridge Under their arrangement. The
court has declined to grant interdict in a summary form, and
the whole matter will be discussed and decided on the merits,
which will of course cause some delay.

DECAPITATION BY A LOCOMOTIVE.—A shocking ac-
cident occurred on the Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln-
shire Railway, on Friday night, to a man named Anthony
Oldham, a servant in the locomotive department of the com-
pany at Sheffield. The men employed at the depot, are
allowed to traverse a tunnel 120 yards long, about a mile
west of the Sheffield station,-in proceeding to and from their
work. About-nine o'clock on Friday evening, the driver of
an engine, which was proceeding slowly up the tunnel, dis-
covered, by the light of the fire, the body of a man lying
partially across the down line. It was a pitiable object to
behold. The upper part of the head was completely cut
away bolo* the oyes, and his cap, which lay close by, was
filled with bone, bramS, and blood. The conjecture is.,.that
he loitered on the way, and when the trains approached was
unable to escape. He appears to have been first thrown for-
ward by the buffers of the engine, of the down train, and,
falling in an oblique direction, was afterwards struck by the
" plough" in front of the engine, which decapitated the
upper part of the head as completely as though it had been
sawn off.