The Express.
London, England, 1850-03-26 00:00:00

Mr. FORBMS onsoadod the mottos, and thought it w.
Inn snore reoperaut to th• foellags of the country to peopove
tie Maio sea the time fixed 117 Ms hos. Moad's sum& swot. _ _ _

Lord J. RI7BBELL did sot thiak the bones or the boa,
member for Werwiekellse, who had just moved an amen&
meat, seemed exactly to apprehend the present stet'
of the question. For himself he could nay he only
had corneae* of the question within these two yens& •
and as soot se be ISM then wee sometbing in the ohjenosi
referred to bribe berm member, he took the first e
of making thesegenrentent by the aid am act of paPI;ITZ2
He thought It Opt to propose thiamine to the LttiOlthr.,
tr
Justice. Hetbs• asked the Lord Chancellor whetnnin,
ought to he, and be said B,ooN,,tfes the Lord Qat
yeatles, sad LOON supse
. a year for Justice of the Cora-
-1 mum Pleas. The Lord Chief Justice said this we. his °piens
I likewise, amt now government were blamed for doing the
very thing Mr set doing whisk the goverment 18 yams
Idea wogs limed by the bon. gentleman. (Hear.) It was
quite Mtn the reopened reduction now to 8,0001. would he
a rents ice the oesamittee not considering the salary of the
present chief Justin; but if they did consider the a elary,
do so with reference to a prospective redaction, if melon*
should be determined upon. It might be hie fault that he
did not monies other conditions to Lord C .mphall (we
understood), He did not do so, and his reason hor anise
to the house form a committee was to make that knit by
set of parliament which at present depended en an ender.
taking sad special arrangement. It would be wrong if the
Treasury had power to say the salary of the Laid Cubit
Jamie* shall be 8,0001. one year and 10,0001. soother year.
I Though this might not affect the integrity of the Yu• gra, it
mieht give rise to unfounded sunimone• lie woulit, under
all circutastanxs, ask the house to go now into committee,
and to fix the salary at 8,0001. a year permanently, out to
make a reduction of the salary from 10,0001. • year to 8,0001
a year, and any other redaction, by a select committee in this
or other salaries would prospeeueely affect future judbes.
After a few words from Sir B. HALL,
Mr. STANFORD said, that if they lived in superstitious
times, with such a prodigy as occurred that evening they
might infer some dreadful calamity was about to betel them,
They saw the ministry--a whig ministry, too—coming
down with • measure for the reduction of salaries, and con-
servative members clamouring for a still gr atter reduction.
(Laughter and cries of "Divide, divide.") The h
bar for Cirencester had certainly taken up a " Lagoa! of
Montrcee,"—'• Magnum tat reel asp e pat sitnonie." Lava titer
and "Divide, divide.") If the boo. gentleman who morn
the amendment included the salaries of all official., then he
(Mr. Stanford) would vote with him; but at prevent he
thou ehte on :popular grounds, men who attained to nth
position should not have their salaries attacked.
Mr. MULLINOS cossilercd the bill wholly unnecessary;
and its only effect would be to clog the inquiries of the cont.
mitts.. On looking over the bill he did not find the slightest
allusion to Lord Campbell; and the object of the bill ww, is
his opinion, a fixing of the salary, not on Lord Campbell is
person, but on all chief justices of the Queen's Beach in per.
;fatuity. (" Hear, hear," and cries of " Divide.")
The house then divided—
For going into committee
For the amendment 5l-49
The house then went into committee on toe h.l.
On the first cisme,
Mr. MULLINGS said he wished to propose an emend_
meet, reducing the allowance to the present thief justice CO
7,0001. a year, and that to his successor to 6,0001.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER said he had 'tarty. d to make a
motion on that subject, but as the gov reran' hsd in'imated
it to be their inten'ion to move for a 'elect committee on
judicial salaries, be was unwilling to pledge himseli to any
p aticuln view. At the same time to affirm, as was dine in
the bill, that the slimy of the chief justice 'tumid he
10,0001. • year, would be quite at variance with his precon-
ceived opinion. He would suggest to hie hon. friend
the propriety of postponing his motion eaul the bill
stood for the third reading.
Mr. HUME said the whole difficulty would he rimmed
if Lord Denman would give a receipt fir 36,0001. He hoped
the noble l„ td would agree to leave out the objec.iinaolis
words.
Lord J. RUSSELL could not agree to that. (Lighter.)
Nor did he think it at all probable that Lord I) 'amen
weuid consent to give a receipt for 36,0001. which he hid not
received.

After a conversation as to the form in which the amend-
ment should be put,
Mr. MULLINGS withdrew bit proplsal, and
Mr. HENLEY submitted an amendment, which directly
raised the question that the salary should he only 7 00,11.
Looktng at the greater amount of patronage and in-
fluence connected with the (Ace of Lord Chief jiver.,
7,0001. was equivalent to 8,0001. for the other tth o , opt-
cielly taking into account the change in the cireurnstmcea of
the country. It was the general opinion that toe prote,ait.nal
emoluments of the bar were likely to suffer, if they had not
done so already—another argument for making the rrduaton
proposed.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD wished to know from the noble lord
(Lord J. Resell) if there was a compact with the I,resent
Lord Chiet Justice; if so, he would not vote silatu-t the
8,0001.; but with regard to any future Chiet Jotice, Or would
' support a salary rat 7,0001
Lord J. RUSSELL said that if a committee war •o to ap-
pointed, it would be better for them to consider ali toe
salaries together ; and if they thought proper to make any
reduction, let it be done after due examination.
Mr. HUSIE—Was it not understood last y• its that no new
appointment should be made without being subject t i such
reduction in the salary as the house might decide op.;ml
(Hear. hear ) Does not the noble lord rec4lltct ths• ?
Lord J. RUSSELL—I think I stated more than occe—l
am not quite sure that 'stated it every tiros—that, uf cuutie,
although it might be generally understood, i' c .uld not
apply to every ewe ; more especially as when toe j u !Kea take
others of this kind it could not be expected that esery one to
wows& the trfi..• was offered would consent that the s...ary
should be re,tuced any lower.
Colonel SIBTHORP—I put it distinctly to the recoiled
Lion of the noble lord if he did not state, in aesner to my
question, that such reduction would take place in the scary
Of anyone hereafter to be appointed i (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—As far as I recollect it, the hon. and
gallant gentleman asked me whether a new juda- would
take the reduced salary, and I answered, the reduatl salary
of 8,0001. a year. (No, no.)
Mr. HENLEY-1 certainly bad an imprasion that the
question was put to the noble lord wi.h trfirehce to the
appointment then expected to be made of Chief J
certainly with reference to the amount that might hat dealt
with by parliament hereafter. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. PS. OSBORNE said he should supp crt the smend-
merit, not because he thought the sating of 1,0001. a year
much, but because it held out an earnest to the evuot.y of
what the party opposite would do if pryer:y encourager& by
hon, gentlemen on his side of the house—(.aughter), was, he
must say, did not appear to treat this motisn as they ought,
consistently with the general opinion out of dt•ois. He ob-
jected to the motion for one reason, thinking a reduction
to 3,0001. would be better than ono to 7,0001.
He considered 3,0001. a year an ample :mery
for the Lord Chief Justice of En!‘land, with
the patronage and honour he would enjoy. T. e Prime
Minister was more overworked than the Lard Cni‘t Just es,
and had no retiring potion let any men tak! that dice
and say if he was prid with 5,0001. a year.
Cul. THOMPSON saw very little fore? in the reasons
urged on the opposite side why salaries should he reduced in
the way they &haired. The statement was that prices nod
fallen; might not those whose salaries it was pr.tpusid to
reduce, alao state that prices had once risen upsn them?
If this were not so, a strong case would be made out against
them; but be could not admit, because prices had ranee,
and that because there had been a cessation or what the =-
pray of the country had determined to be a harmful and
injurious monopoly—thus damaging the int. rests of these
who had enjoyed it, but producing great advantage to the
nation at large, of which one moat eminent pn of was the
surplus which the Chancellor of the Exchequer declared he
bad—under those circumstances he could not admit that
the liberals or free-traders were bound to follow ri i abso-
lutely the lead of hon. gentlemen opposite. He w :arid vote
in favour of the motion of the hon. gantlet:tau site,
hoping that the gentlemen on that side of the &Kolar would
proceed further in that din ction. (Cheers.)
Mr. SPOON ER complained that the noble lot • did not
bring in this bill prior to the tints when the m n Lament
was made.

Mr. M. O'CONNELL said that he thought t-.is was a
matter on which the House should have the opoolomut wets
of the gentlemen b longing to that profession' VI. proem
and salarie• in which were thus at:warted to bered,md.

Mr. HUI'S said that he wished to ask some of the mem-
bers of the legal profession whether the profits of ins: pt.,-
(melon were now equal to what the profits were who these
salaries were iocreased ? He himself believed ttat they
were net equal to one-third of what they were et mat
time. He thought that 7.0001. per annum was n.• more
than adequate to pay for the services of the Chi: tionthell
when they took into consideration the fall which MLA whin
place in the prices.
Mr. P. WOOD said that when he was called upon to set
as a peofeesed 'creme, in financial =avers, he mat tog
leave to my that the house would act with singuler
don if they commenced sleeking reforms in metiers at Si.
nage* by cutting down the salaries of the moat imp matt
fugetionaries in the kingdom. (Cheers.) And he would
also say that the house having decided that they w, re now
ready to go on with the committee, he had net the b. st
hesitation in voting for 8,0001. instead of 7,00)/. 1 air r,
hear.) He thought that the honourable memb. r tor et• d-
iced had put this question in a very brig..t light
before them, and he agreed with him in thinking thst this
was not a question which had any relation to the tab* of
prices. He would also beg the house to consider that the
judges were at great especial when on circuit, so that
inch ed practically their income did not much exceed the
7 0001 a year to which hon. gentlemen wished to reduce it.
He thought they were beginning with economy a' the wrest
end, for these were the men on whom their property amt
life might depend.
Mr. DEEDES said, if anything were wanting to Convince
him of the extreme impolicy of the noble lord, it is ouid be
the speech of the hon. gentleman who bad just 5 t O-wn.
He taunted them with beginning at the wrong end. W tlO
had compelled them to takethat warm ?
Mr. HENLEY said it was government who 65,1 brought
forward the question of the salary of the Chief J ustie . its
propming to reduce it from 10,0001. to 8,0001 , and r e neuo
had a right to say whether that was a proper redo,. ion. I:
was to him a source of great regret that the I, ~.le lord
had driven them to do this; he wished it to hare h,en
ru-
(erred to a committee.

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the a:motive., divided—

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abet, he took the first e
by the aid of an set of pill=
pose the matte, to the IneglNgli, " 4
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I Lord Chancellor wherrein,
foClNielgruf Justitheeeof Xs ili.t
if Justice said this was his °plait*/ o
meat were blamed for doing the 11
which the government 18 yams of 01
Ow. gentleman. (Hear.) It was moo'
[action now to B,ooot. would he elan
sot considering the salary of the had
f they did consider the salary, to and
respective redaction, if reduction hint
I. It might be his fault that he 'l'l
to b
editions to Lord C daybed (we
t do so, and his reason for mi f
ins, was to make that tided bey TI
present depended en an under.
neat. It would be wrong if the T 1
y the salary of the Laid Chief
year and 10,0001. another year. T 1
et the integrity of the jot gas, A mitt,
rd suspicion.. He woulti, under
muse to go now into committee, TI
ek a year permanently, out to
try from 10,0001. a year to 8,0001 brine
sect
non, by a select committee in this in 11 ipeetively affect future judges.the t
lir B. HALL,
anti
that if they lived in surestitinue uncle
as occurred that everinig they pert
:dimity was about to betel them, spot
4 whig ministry, too—cerning pat
he reduction of salaries, and cos ehui
-
'leg for a still gr atsr reduction. gage [vide, divide.") The h 4. men- ree
Pt
ertainly taken up a " Legend of byti
f recess/epee simonie." ( Lau it htee evil
' the boo. gentleman who moved date,
is salaries of all official., then he valet,
le with him; but at prevent he byw
de, men who attained to such a Port,
Leis salaries attacked. mitill
teed the bill wholly untiecemary; act 0
to clog the inquiries of the cern- go to
• bill he did not find the slightest them
and the object of the bill wee, in ghoul
salary, not on Lord Campeell in Hotel
ices of the Queen'. Bench in per. of tl
old cries of " Divide.") not
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51-49 chart
9 committee on time be!. that
any i
he wished to propose an ',meld-
meat
mo
ace to the present thief justice to abler
able •
cis successor to 6,0001,
ee
aid he bad Admit, d to make a
marl
uthe gov•roment bed intimated inter
5 move for a 'elect committee on wal.
rifling to pledge Lionel, to an The
tie time to affirm, as was dine is umi
of the chief justice should be
of th
mite at variance with his prem. land
ad suggest to his bun. Wend wool
Mg his motion haul the bill
entice
Ae difficulty would he removed when i
e a receipt br 36,0001. He tweed
s to leave out the objeciimaole
Corrr.neemnCrU.
1 not agree to that. (Leiighter
11 probable that. Lord I) Oman the o
ipt for 36,0001. which he hid not had 1
) the form in which the amend- tue
comb
raw his propseal, and woulianoth
d an amendmene, which ilireetly in hit
o salary should he only 7 0001. Cel
amount of patronage end in- holt
be office of Lord Chief Ju.ti'e, Tit
it
1,0001. for the other ith e , e•pe-
he change in the circumet P.C.. of
meal opinion that the prlee` 14,W
1 likely to suffer, if they had not
zument for making the re du?tion
!shed to know from the noble lord
ras a compact with the eresent Tht
i, he would net vote seatu-t Ma up to•
my future Chief Justice, he would Th,
that if a committee was •o Is ap-
Bane
it for them to consider al, toe lees
Chili,
ey thought proper to mike ray The
ter due exammatien. be ma
understood last yi an that no new Thi
e without being subject t i suck States
the house might decide epee 1 The
e noble lord recollect the • ? Ceelni
hick I stated more then occe—l arena
od it every time—that, of course, The
:era'', understood, i' could not EifYIA
specially as when the ju lees take be me
lot be a:petted that eserj eine to
would consent that the Leary
ir.
•
put it distinctly to the recoiled
i did not state, in insert to my
in would take place in the scary
pointed i (Heim, hear.)
far as I recollect it, the hon. and
no whether a new judge would Tit
i I answered, the reduc:ir eatery
) has to
inly bad an impression, that the
oble lord wi.h reference to the of our
to be made of Chief J.ittice— culiar
the amount that might be dealt of int
er. (Hear, hear.)
boat,
he should supp irt the emer.d.
tight the saving of 1,0001. a year their c
,ut an earnest to the cettetiy of faze.
aid do if properly encouraged by ill you
of the house--(taughter), won, he and at
treat thou motion as they ought,
true, t
al opinion out of door,. He ob-
le reason, thinking a reduction It h
better than one to 7,0001. the Et
rival
alush7ceear of E 12470111, :diary
Bettie
he would enjoy. T. e Prime
R ha
Ltd than the Lard Cnii. t Just co,
let any min Mkt that edicts lag i
5,0001. a year. eh thei
very little fore? in the reasons Culogn
shy salaries should be reduced in give, a,
statement was that prices tad
DORP I
hese salaries it was prdposed to
where,
me had once risen upon Ul9lO ?
PSI would be made out Against Protect
nit, because prices bed tulle.,
been a cessation of what the ms- omnibi
ttermined to be a harmful and cocked
razuagin: theatini,rasestuspefrothiere
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toe most eminent prof was the touter
or of the Exchequer declared he Russia
mem he could not a !mit that Where.
were bound to follow tid shoe Lai
deism opposite. He w ,tuil vote
Such
if the hon. gentlemat, i IT cite,.
a on that side of the boa., mead Made t
ction. (Cheers.) to Btue
led that the noble tot • did not tede's
e time when the m p Lament bully tl
Danish
aid that he thought t•-.is was a
X Nit
ihould have the opooione ut ems
' to that profession, tn. pretits otrtyin
thus attempted to be redi,ce el.
wished to ask some of the sew
id)aciii:lB mightA
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i whether the profits of :net pr.,-
itat the profits were who these
le himself believed Oat they
,rd of what ttey were at teat
001. per annum was a .• ISOM
the services of the Chit i dish.
ration the fall which ba.i taken
when he wag called upon to met
would act with singuler iudesie.
t
tins( reforms in matters ~t tie
financial maters, he near bed
aluies of the most impirtent
bliehtnen
om. (Cheers.) And he would
ing decided that they wire now
mitts., he had not the b.i.:h,,st
0001. instead of 7,000/. (Ile r,
ie honourable metal,. r tor ii• 0-
- •
ion in a very brig ~t light
with him in thinking that this
id any relation to the tsetse of
the house to consider that the
ens* when on circuit, so that
tome did not much eaceed the trios et
. gentlemen wished to reduce it. °Peaty i
ining with economy a' the nem( atitutton
n on whom their property and
cji itlie
jibing were wanting to eenvince s9ttlngio
i of the noble lord, it would be the Ger,
Leman who had juet s t &wen. the thrt
inning at the wrong end. ti .to old Di.
that *muse ? teems .:,
a government who bid brought
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