The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-09 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 9, 1850.

was seat voted to defray the expenses of the civil and
tag eou•effectivo earring.
The home this resumed, and the report wu ordered
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toe onto-etorrow (this day). The house
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THE NAVY ESTIMATES.
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Coked SIBTHORP said they were then thirty.fi,
M pass. How long that moo might continue he
rift to proton, bet such wu the face nevertheless. eras
tkowgb they wore at poses they had no lees th,.
Lords of the Admirslty, with whose number
lanes also ha intended to deal. Hot heat
.leughter.) As the resent eras a period a 4.1,1 v
reform, bethought the Admiralty department was 1:!!•1
of a little improven.ont, man the First L,. ft' Admiralty with a salary of 4,6001. a year, and, nouide,
the cheep rate at which everything could be obtaiciak,
Mare, issinding champare—(latighter)—he did
think he seas dealing eeverely with that functionary •
he propos,' so sake 1,5001. a Jeer off hie salary,
Nmmir him 3,0001. • year, which was a most ,tape,,
alowaggp. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) There were
twit paint lords of the admiralty who Lad eae,
a year, sad from whom he intended to Wet zOol
leaving them 1,0001. for the tater.. At present, as i
previously remarked, tiers were no less than six lonia
admiralty, and he proposed to reduce the Dumb, r to foo
rho principle that "too manyeaoks spoil the broth."(Lausz
Ho god to ask Mr. Bernal whether it wase9rOptt,
him ( I. Sibthorp), first to take the sense of the
the creation oldie reduction of the combined salaries
six lords from 9,9001. a year, to 6,8004, ?
The CHAIRMAN said the ordinary course was to
pose the emir, reduction in the vote at first
(kd. SIBTHORP said there was one secretary at
• year; he proposed to strike off 6001. There was ,k 1
peerttalT at 1,5001. a year, which he proposed to re:.,
1,0001. The private secretary of the First Lord
Admiralty had 3001. a year ; with that salary he e:.
r=to meddle. The Wary of the surveyor of thi
ed So have reduced from a 1,0001, a year t,
The mmonatant•general, ,Ise storekeeper, the corarr,,.
the victualling agreement, and the director st-rora;
received 1,0001. a year each; he wished to rtdute
salary to 8001. The total reduction which he propote
from 20,2501. to 13,1601
The CHAIRMAN said the hon. and gallant
proposal was to reduce 137,1001. to 130,00 n ,
diminatioa o! 7,1001.
The questions having been put,
Sir F. BARING said he understood the hon. and er
colonel to propose to reduce the salaries of the Lords
Admiralty and likewise of the clerks of the Admitaity.
Colonel SIBTHORP did not wish to touch ti.e
the clerks at all. They set re the working men. sad, n
opinion, orght to be well p3id, Laving no patrons',
none of the peculiar advantages which attached r
higher situation,.
Sir F. BARING said the hon. and gallant Clloll,l
used a different word from that which he (Sir F. B.
employed. He referred to the heads of the &prow
Somerset House. (" Hear, hear," from Col. Sibthorp
regard to the salaries of the puliamentary agora
Admiralty, it should be recollected that his retie
(Lord J. Itoasel;) had given notice of a motion Lr a e..i
tee in which there would be an op aorta..ity of maid,
all the salaries, and he hoped therefore, that the how*.
postpone its decision. With respect to the other tilicte
thought his noble friend had wisely left the questith of
rue ha the heads of the several departments. It w
delicate end difficult tags for the government to detet
what should be the amount of their remun. ration. ly
bear.) The officers whose salaries the bon. sad es
colonel proposed to reduce, wt ra not, as he appeared r.
vast, paid officers who performed no duties, but .'
upon whom rested great responsibility with rust
details. The accountant-general had l gen
years is his own department, and a more able or 1:
public servant did not breathe ; yet it was proposed
off a considerable portion of the salary of a gentleato
had risen by his own exertions to his present
might be doubtful whether in fact the pupils would i
if the proposed reductions were eBt cted ; for when the
annotation allowances came to be considered 'hose re
must be taken into account. As to the number ti
though he would be glad to sic it rcdueed, if the wor,
1 kely to be done better with a SOlll,:itt num•
appeared to him that the contrary would
result. He hoped, therefore, that the house wou.il t.
sent to the amendment.
Col. SI STEIORP sada the house had been ,emir

the noble lord at the head of the government had pc-,
committee. If the nobl, lord would assure him tr..•
committee should be appointed, he woad lease his it,
to its decision ; but the case reminned him of the a
" Timeo Daneoe done ferentes."
Cayain FITZROY could not concur in the ha
gallant colonel's proposal to reduce the salaries of the
Guns. He had a still stronger objection to the ret'....r
the salary of the accetuaantigeceral, whose ac:
amounting to 6,000,0001. per annum, were kept a.
mirable regularity. He did not consider that orfwit
paid with a eatery of 1,0001. • year. He thought the
of one lord might easily be dispensed with. Under t
cumstaacea he should feel gr. at delicacy in vont? w:
Reliant et)lonel on this cccasion, and he hoped that he
not press his motion to a division.
Mr. ARK WRIOEIT said many necessary
performed by the Lords of the Admiralty. Stint.
the proroga• ien e parliament in August last the haan
at Plymouth, and he found it stated that the first :
mined • bakehouse, aud that in the e ve•i•R he b
the table of the &di:nivel superintendent with his pr
On another day, it appeared, the lords embarked
Lightning steamer, under salutes from the lespregni'
the Dragon, and proceeded to the Queen, wht.:h
closely inspected. It was, he believed, well kora
the right hon. gentleman the first lord was ho
He believed that these tours of inspection were mar
excuse for very jovial parties. The next party, e
amongst others, of Sir Francis Baring, Font

an excursion to one of the seats of Lord E4tecc
and made most important inspections there.
Oa t►e 21st the Black Bogle arrived at Patera
and waited for the First Lard. They then we,
Pembroke, and nn doubt walked through the cocky
dined with the superintendent. On the 2Sth Auir
found them at Portsmouth, when solutes of the
ship announced their arrival. If the hon. and gel.ant
nel took the pease of the house as to the reducuoo
lords' salaries, ►e should certainly support him.

Mr. HUMS quite agreed to the re:ititction of ;'.1,,•
tt ought it much better to leave the safari-r t.e ,;
tioned. He should be sorry to make a •eduction
salary of the Director. General of the Medical Depar:
because there was not a more important mike cAnrced
the navy. . _

Lord J. RUSSELL should regret if the honoutt'
learned member for Lincoln was in error I 4

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committee which he proposed to arp int. The
mittee would inquire into the salary of the
Lord of the Admiralty and of the other Lodi
Admiralty, but not into the ',guy of the Acuu
0 1 and other officers. In hie opinion, tne
the head of each department was much better able to
deductions from time to time than the committee •
House of Commons As to the Comptroller ct Steal
ehinery, it would be difficult for the tone) to sty the
officer was unnecewetry. He did not adree vita the
member for Montrose that 7,04101. could be reduced
this estimate. .

—Col. SIBTHORP said that if he had the amigo
the noble lord that an investigation would take pl tee
regard to the Admiralty, he should withdraw his ow.
Lord J. RUSSELL—With regard to the First L rd
with regard to the others.
Mr. DISRAELI hoped that his hon. and gallant
would not fail into an error on the subject of the
proposed by the noble lord, iltelk*lll he had incase.:
notice of an amendment, which was entirely oppose
proposition of the noble lord. He Sunlight the
had gone by when any alteration in the
salaries of the country coed be made consi.:
' with the efficiency of the pah.io 'strict. t',
day next he should state the reasons why he th
it Impolitic and inexpedient that the House of
should consent to the motion of the noble lord. a
trusted that the hon. and gallant member would :it,
his support.
Colonel SIBTHORP sai I that after what had s:',.,
his hon. friend,' he would accede to his mummer:
and would take the sense of the house on the nisei
the offizes of two lords. That would be a ruin...,
2,0001.
Sr F. BARING observed that, as to the estate::.'
he had stated that there had been vacancies ham‘
clerks which had not been filled up. Si art
spection of d ckyards being a matter of pleasure, he 6
remember working harder than when he w.ut ore]
yards.
Mr. HUIHE willingly voted (or the reduction of t'
The committee divided.

Ay"

Nora lle -
The vote was then agreed to.
49,7031. salaries of officers in the scientific departt.
the navy.
Mr. HUME asked whether any steps had been
reduce the price of the nautiosl almanac.
Sir F. T. BARING promised enquiry.
Mr. HUMI. complained of the inaccuracy of thee"
general use.
Sir F. T. BARING acknowledged the import.:
many of the charts in use, but did not Ike to et.
government interference with private tnterprise.
The vote was agreed to.
On a vote of 133,8261. far the salaries of her lit,
naval establishments at home being proposed,
Mr. NUKE complained that no sufficient mine..
taken place in this department. Ito feared thee ti
many ofteen.
After a few words in reply from Sir F. Biuts...
was agreed to.
A vote of 23,7131. was Formed for the ellaries of t
jetty's naval establishment abroad, which, after,
marks from Mr. Hums, was agreed to.
A vote of 689,9711. for wages in the naval est.!,
at home having been moved,
Mr. HUMS objected to the enormous amour. 01

penditure, and slid that much of it wss causti
ships, which were afterwards allowed to rot y Nrt•
never sent to ma.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complainvl met it oar
been the pramios to apportion the cost of replr.
manner as to equalise them.
Sir F. BARING denied tint any such object .I,'•
ttee existed at present. II it did, let ,t
and the officials guilty of it would be coil
upommt,