The Express.
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of necessity to provide any additional accommodation. He
did not mean to refer to the case of shipwrecked mari-
nets. He must then ask the house not to pledge itself
by this resolution to a general system of 'subsidising sailors'
homes, though he would express his admiration for many of
those institutions, and his gratitude for the private efforts
of those philanthropic individuals who had established them
in the various porta. With all respect to the hon. mover
and seconder, he must meet this resolution with • negative.
Mr. HENLEY did not approve of the resolution, for he
believed the very way to destroy the mikes' homes would
be to make them dependent on a government grant. But
he could not agree with the right hon. gentleman that sea-
men were the best paid labourers, for comparing them with
the argentin, masons, shoemakers, or any other skilled
labourers, he believed they were the worst paid of all.
Mr. M. °LIMON' had not meant to say that the saner
was the best paid labourer, but that he was well paid.
Mr. HENLEY denied that be was even well paid; for
be was worse paid than a other skilled labourer who
was obliged to learn his trade by nerving au apprentioeship ;
and if it were not for the hope that be would not always
remain before the mast, bat would become • mate or •
master, these would be nothing to ioduoe • boy to go for a
sailor at all. Sailors had many hardships to go through,
and most of them became unfit for active labour after forg-
ave years of age, whereas a carpenter or • bricklayer was
as good a man to work at sixty.five as at forty. He
should, however, be sorry to see the housepledge itself teeny
grant of money for sailors' homes, though much of the bens-
fits alluded to, as be thought, should lather be attributed to
the shipping aloe, for their effect on the men.
Mr. W. S. LINDSAY said of course the right bee. name-
her Gould only mesa artisans and mechanics, not labourers
to the amid, when be talked of seamen as worse paid. The
eider's wages were 21. 15s. a month, or 12a. 6d. • week, but
he was provided with food, the ship was his house, and he
bad only his clothes to pay for, and to militate his family
if he had one. The average wages of • skilled labourer in
this country were now 25a a week, so that the sailor was
not worse off. And although his life was • hand one it bad
man) eejoyments, such as the opportunity of seeing the
world and of gaining knowledge, which was dialed to the
artisan in his mill. For this the seaman's life was desired,
and he hoped it would be desired, by the rising generation.
Though be respected the motives of this resolutioo, be must
gres with the right hon. gentleman (Mr. M. Gibson) that
if the government were to subsidise the sailors' homes, it
would be doing them berm.
Mr. KINNAIRD hoped the bon. baronet would not
divide the house on this motion, as it was the first time
the subjecthadcome before the house. He believed Glaciate
of the sailors' homes was immense, and had not been ex-
aggerated at all. But it would rather be retarding the
object now to excite expectations which, in the present
state of our Roamer, could not be realised, for it might
induce preens to withdraw the support they now gave.
Captain JERVIS said that the pay of first-class artisans
is this country was not Ma., but 30a. and 36a., and some-
times as much as 50s. a week. If milers received 12• tid.
a week with board and lodging for themselves, it should
be recollected that their roves and children were to be sup-
peeled out of that sum. (Hear, hear.) This wan an Ad-
=nig question more than a BoLd of Trade one, and there-
fore he should like to hear what the opinion of the noble
lord the Secretary of the Admiralty was. He did not want
to subsidise these men, but he wished to have it appear that
there was a common feeling of good fellowship between the
naval Strike and the seamen of the mercantile marine.

Lord C. PAGET said that the Admiralty subsaihed some
money to the sailors' homes of Portsmouth, Plymouth,
Devonport, and Cork ; but they did not do this as a matter
of charity. They sent the sailors of the navy to these
homes when they went on shore for a night ; sad it was only
fair that as they were of use to the naval service they
should receive some contribution from the public fund".
But he did not think it would be right that they should
establish sailors' homes in mercantile porta, of which the
Admiralty bad so use whatever. [Captain JERVIO—OnIy
when there was a naval reserve.] He was happy to say
that there was a naval reserve volunteer force along the
whole coast. He stated the other night that men were
entering at the rate of 100 a week, but they were Dow en.
=at the rate of 150, and he had no doubt that they
have • large body of resents at the end of the
year. He had sympathy for anything that would
assist the formation of sailors' homes throughout the coun-
try, but he concurred in the opinion expressed by his right
boa. friend, that it would be rather disadvantageous to
sailors' homes if they were to receive agovernment subsidy,
because the charity which they now received from indi-
vidual' would probably be diverted to other objects if it
was known that they were receiving aid from the govern.
meet. (Hear, hear.)
Sir EL
_STRACEY maid that he never mentioned the
weed subsidy. What he contended for was that sailors'
homes were worthy of encouragement and support. After
the expression of opinion which had been elicited, he should
withdraw the motion for the present, but with an intention
to bring it forward again under some other guise. (Hear.)
The motion was then withdrawn.
FREE TRADE IN ITALY.

Mr. HENNii9Bi7o;i;tOitt;rn: pursuant to notice, fur an
address for copies of the free•trade decree of the King of
the Two Similes, dated the 13th day of October, 1859,
sad of Mr. Elliot's despatches relating thereto ;
of the royal commission issued on the 19th day of Decem-
ber, 1859, on the mine subject, and of Mr. Elliot's de-
spatches relating thereto ; of despatches or reports received
from her Majesty's consuls in Tuscany in the years 1859 and
18601, calling attention to the injurious effect produced on
British trade and commerce by the substitution of the Sar-
dinian for the Tuscan tanff ; of cottespoodenos during the
same period between Sir James Hudson and Count Cavour,
on the injurious effect produced on British trade ►nd com-
ma/ref by the application to Tuscany of the Sardinian fiscal
system and customs' regulations ; and of a despatch, re-
ferred to in the House of Commons by the Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs on the sth day of July, 1860, and
which was described by the Secretary of State as a despatch
in which " bet Majesty's ministers hail drawly ninon- I
striated with the government of the King of Naples."
He said the noble lord the Secretary for the Foreign De-
partment had agreed to the motion with some verbal amend-
menu,.
_ _ _

'TIT; motion as amended was then put and agreed to.
DIVISIONS.— COMKITTEE OF SUPPLY.

Sir 07i3OWYER moved • resolution, " That, on any
division, when the house is in committee of supply, en anon
as the voices have been taken, the doors be closed immedi-
ately after strangers have withdrawn." He trod inconve-
niences attending the present practice which, he thought,
were a great scandal to the house, MI replied by anticipa-
tion to objections. If his proposal were adopted, be ob-
served, the constituency and the country would see what
members did their duty in committees of supply.
Sir G. LEWIS opposed the motion, though he believed,
if carried, it would be advantageous to the government for
the time being. The rule of the house was that no mem-
ber should vote unless he was present when the question
was put. If this motion were assented to it must be ex-
tended to all other committees, and to all measures of im.
pertain*. The effect of • rule that no member should vote
without having heard the whole of the debate would ho to
reduce the house to the condition of a jury.
The motion was opposed by Mr. Newdegate, Mr. Bass,
I and Colonel French.
I Sir G. BOWYER desired to withdraw his motion, which
was, however, negatived.
METROPOLITAN BOARD OF WORKS.

Mr. 170Ciii,;;;;afOr copies of the geoend cash account
of the Metropolitan Board of Works from the Ist day of
Jaauary 1856 to the 25th day of March 1857.
The returns were ordered.
BURFORD CHARITIES. _

Yr. LOWE moved for leave to bring in a bill for confirm-
ing a scheme of the Charity. Commissioners for certain
charities in the town and parish of Burford, in the county
of Oxford.

GUILDFORD HOSPITAL.
Mr. LOWE moved also fur leave to bring in • bill for
count ming • scheme of the Charity Commissioners for the
Hospital of the IllerialTrinity, at Guildford, in the county
of Surrey, and it. subsidiary endowments.
READING CHARITIES.
Mr. LOWE also moved for kayo to bring in a bill for
confirming • scheme of the Charity Commissioners for cer-
tain chanties in the borough of Reading.
TEMPLE BALSALL HOSPITAL.
Mr. LOWE likewise moved for leave to bring in a bill to
welkin • wham of the Charity Commissioners for the Hos-
pital of lady }Catherine Leveeon, at Temple Balsa, in
the county of Warwick.
Leave was given in each case, and the bills were brought
in and read • first time.
POST-OFFICE SAVINGS BANKS BILL.
. .

On tie;r7l;rOiChedrifOrlliebill;T:meticieTt to be
considered,
An Hon. Mamma objected to the centralising principle of
the bill, to the prejudice of Dublin and Edinburgh, and
entirely in favour of London. He moved to leave out the
word " OffiCe and insert " 06:011."

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
uneadineet, instead of improving the bill, would make it a
great deal worse. Nothing. could be more absurd than
cresting three centres of investment. What he under-
stood was, that these moneys should run in the same
course as those traosmitted through the money.onler °Ricca.
He would rake care that the bill we. made conformable to
that idea. At the same time it was quite evident that the
whole operation must be performed at a central office.
After a few observations from Mr. VAPICZ, expressing
satisfaction with the explanation of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, clause 1 was amended by striking out the words,
"in London."
TIM bill was ordered to be read a third time on Thursday
auk

THE LONDON COAL AND WINK DUES CON-

TIN UANCE MI.
Thle bill TM committed pro form!, mid ordered to be
eommitted oo Friday sect.
THE ROYAL MARINE BARRACKS (EAST STORE-
HOUSE, DEVON) BILL.
This bill weld throsgh committee.
The boos. adjounwed at twenty minutes to eight o'clock.