The Express.
London, England, 1861-05-14 00:00:00

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_ 4 THE !•'.....1CPR ESS, TUESDAY EVF.)iIi,,r.G, MAY 14, 1861.
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th • soil Lila sire flat I shall rely take cheers.) He (Mr. Macaulay) was contest with having made mire big vote he gave it with • most perfect knowledge of tleman thee read a letter dated the 10th of May, 1861, in regard to any one of them exercise one of the most impel..
say ruts,{ •• tempt., q .LANDED PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT, &c.
sine.k a coarse .., the pot& analogs requites. lam Inn kbolini to tits house the fact. of the cam, but he was not the subject. (Hear, hear.) which the comninsioners expressed their regret that they tent duties that devolved upon it. Was there any founds- (IRELAND) BILL.
&mg so without grave roluederatiesi and csiiii'lllatitli. and • the only member who knew Mr. Steumt, and had known Mr. If. SMITH said that he saw the hon. member for were tumble to comply with the Speaker's wish to give him tion for the ambiguous but at the are time menacing This bill was read • IMMO' time.
when I h.rar „Lan( ilk- fa. I• ei thse east I thilik the home I him for) ears, awl three menden ceuld, as well as himself, Cambridge immediately after the division, and et that time' an assurance that steps hod been taken by them to prevent statement the Chancellor of the Exchequer had made'
will ...y tier I hare rigid rielitiv is the some* which I ant ishona the Imo. mid laerued seemlier fur Sheffield, that he certainly was in as sound a state of mind as any other the recurrende ofstay such event aa that which took place There being no cause why the home should not exercise the COMBINATION OF PAHLSIIKS DISSOLUTION BILL
pseiag• mew. mu, year. aro, Mr. Audit, fitemertr the I Mr. Steuart was on the meting of thedivisioo as lane ands' bon member. (Hear, hear.) The boo. gentleman cent.' on Thursday, the 2od of May. right of dission and there haying been no extravagant use This bill also passed through committee.
k,,,, ter i ..„,brats,., ~... ...fortunately *Mined with I well in health Os any mender of that house. Whatever out of the lobby with him, and afterwards set by his side The SPE.tKER then put the Question, whether the of discussion, b'wome they were coosidering the budget of
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herb fever, and that left upon his onetitution repeitatioa he hinmelf might 11,,ve he would wake liv ii wit- Rud declassed the topics. 0( the evening with great clearness. motion should be withdrawn. (Loud „rue of "No," and the minister order circumstances under which a bufrit had
a ...woo ilityll ... • liability to yams, om of I, Om to that fart. (Opposition cheer, ) He ehreahl mote nu He cold not agree with the boo. member for Derby that " Divide.")
unsaity. •%el• eir, this hen, gehtlemae has a 1.,. that ohmenotio• on the hon. and ',anted r.ienibees motion. that side of the hones ought to feel obliged for this motion. Mr. CONINOHAM trusted the hon. and learned mom- never before been cousidered, he asked what ground s there This bill was read a second time.
were for asking the house to come to • precipitate decision. The house adjourned at half-past one o'clock.
,„„eissrity whirl, hkii not lisen mobbed to hint. but sisk, I Had it failed of d modeler he should have stet oded it him- (Hear.) He thought they would have preferred labouring ber for Sheffield would not force the house to divide. He begged the first minister to consider this. If it was his
A• 11314 141. 1....... 11, All Itell.lollit ll .I.IIA. hose 1,41 tIIA, Ide i self, in or,kr that he might have an opportunity of nuking melee the imp utatiote referred to than that, this gentleman Mr. ROEBUCK-Certainly not. opinion that the other house was to exercise no jurisdiction
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,d hair. Linil.. win,' the I.rulOirill dh. sot. ' w''. ‘..111 I • few oheosateme. Ile should only express his regret that end iii. family should have been subjected to the annoyance The inotiou was then put, and negatived without • upon the question under the discussion of the Housed MA RKETS.
*Meted in toe cam way-- that is to my a eon of fereknow.l the lino. and learned member should hose yielded to the of a public discussion on the matter. glum, hear.) Any division. Comeau let it be so. He would admit the whole
ledge that ii., loal..,•lo 515 et. 1.113, upon biol. anal that anenntodialle infhienee which prevented his seeing that thing more painful -more harrowing to the feelings of that
this ChiatcS. TOMS AND INLAND REVENUE BILL. ease of the government on this occasion-he would admit
his nave-. •otiht he by this greet robe tiou taken away from the home and the public could dispense with these public tetnameatnaard hten family
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hist This tossitleio in. ardor; this 1 srukoan was eimoug details of private sal melanc!erly istfitetsous. Chemist
kiss, him went to .4 homed keeper of a looetic ass lure eke I:. C. LEWIS -In the present state 0( our informa. gained by each a motion. (Hear. hear.) The right lion.
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aid oemel to he taken int. the onion). That penain. nod- Pus it appears to me that it would be mod inexpedient gentleman (Mr. Bouverie) had stated that he ten le knew Mr. MACDONOGH teak exception to the manner of was the inevitable moral to be drawn? That it became the liana:-W. I...bhde. stop 2,192 1,1141 P,730 Mon
ma homed usable by law to take Mu, in witiovit the est- lif we were to undertake an investigation of the details to what this inquiry could lead. Were they to be bound by ptocodure in reference to the hill, and quoted a number of Prime Minister under such comunetances to bring forward l'Etrilu'lcii% begs 26,e04 20,0167 114,706 211.032
smut,, of two phyeimotte, mid that if he obtenied thee iof this particular ease. I will only state lay the certificate of medical gentlemen ea to whether the precedents to show that the Chancellor of the Exchequer no measures connected with femme which ho did not 8 and biannla. bealliCj -20 4,160 12,3:37
terililicains he stwolJ he holly to take I.iin ir. ,large. Very 1 opinion, that the law is sot in fault, that honourable member for Cambridge was capable to vote was not justified in including the whole of the financial believe would meet with undoubted support by those who too haßai 7.201 7,006 418.450 234,v57
chortle afterwards two physicians were beard 1.. gi"e h the commis-ismer' in Noel are not in fault, or nut 7 Ile for one would prefer the testimony of propositions of the government is one bill, but that the represented the people in the House of Commons. If it Cube eat ffavene - 2,170 14,095 23,250
a ...mileage, and it costaisof this remarkable matemeet. 1 sad I will also add my opinion that the act of Mr. Steuart 10 honourable geuttenien of that house as to the constitutional course would have been to have dealt with was the undeniable privilege of that house that they were ForelgnMuscovado cage 1,179 024 7,936 7,243
• • Mist Mr. Mayan was not only damp roes to I self engirding in this house to vote was entirely epontaomus on state of miod of Mr. Steuart on the evening in question. He them separately. He contended that there was no instance to have a sole voice in these matters, their responsibility and Ilavana• • • ..• •• • • boxes - - - -
but dangerous to others," and thereupun be was Welded ! hie part, and was sot induced by any persuasion from any could only express his deep regret at this motion. for he in whith a bill rejected by the House of Lords bad the responsibility of the First Minister became proportion. lawwil,„.. packages s- 370 93,189 11,010
Win the loathe emboss a 4 Dr. Winslow and Dr. Beetlett, ; other perms. (Opposition cheers.) I have reason to be- wee perfectly sure that whatever might have been the state been afterwards introduced into a supply bill for the present ately greater. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer said co ""g_wg„ ingss ela: ,
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sad he was kept W eimer umber that certifi,ate, whi di so ; hove that this ease is being easefully investigated by the el the hon. gentleman before, he was now fully able to feel year aid poised; that the only attempt which had been there DAS Do tease before the house. A minister moved the Do..brla & bags 148 154 1,439 tete
uased tha the Wad dagger 'us to Lined( sikl to others. ! lame,. eiimmissioners, and that they have taken steps for the pain and misery which must attach to himself and mods (ii the reign of Queen Anise) had been unsuccessful ; second reading of the hill, which included the whole of hie Ceylon cams 600 707 6,b60 tug
Dads, three cesium:seem epee Tburadm, or rather Friday i extemling their inquiries to the asylum in question, and I family from this discussion. (Hear, hear.) He thought and that "tacking" was always condemned by the coosti- financiol scheme, and on thefirstnightof thedebate midthere Do. brbi. & bags 1,10.1 1.157 15,717 20,786 atomism week last, the Lou. mend, r 1.3- Cs•iibri.l2v lap- ; believe that if the documents which are in their possession the motion was unwarranted, and he was sure it was un- totioo, and was now placed under the ban of law by pulls. was no moue before them. Was nut the second reading Mocha packages 8 72 3,084 3,792
peened be this hones neap anted in this home us a matter i were placed before the house they would put the house to feeling. (Loud cheers.) meat He called upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer of the financial scheme as issue large enough? And what °lbw' L Iwdle packages ril ill 12,966 7.121
whisk was exciting to us all, and etie et very grad import- pasemien of the whole facts of the ease. Under these sir- Do. do. .ca
Mr. ROEBUCK-Sir, if all the epithets that have bees not to throw down • defiance to the House of Lords, and right had the minister to presume-what right had he to Brasil • Costa Ike hags 7 - - -
saes to the emote,. Now that a person in thst condition ( ennokinces it appear. to Me that the course this house applied to me are deeereins, I ought to consider myself bot to exhibit to the world, at a moment like thia, the spec. assume, that there would be no division challenged upon cocoa
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should be allowed to coins •m.oogst 145. ex. it,tl le,. -- ' should tali~ previous to the •appointment of II committee a 'oet unworthy person, (cheers, and laughter.) But, air, tack of an irritated and disunited parliament. the merits of his policy ? (Cheers, and cries of ' Divide, Foreign ben - - -
thsagliter oo ashlars.) This weeno laugliieg teener- 'hear, I would he to have these documents, as well as the report of I would yet beg the home to listen to me for a few Sir J. GRAHAM, applying himself to the constitutional divide.") They had come down that night to discuss the Run casks 1,433 717 11,251 32,05
bear)-..inil lam statiag it as paedy sod as calmly as I eau. the rommimiouers. If the hones should he of that opinion moments, and not to act upon the opinions so openly
isaAnestiont argued that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was financial policy of the minister. The hon. gentleman who De bhd• - - - -
kites:. ben , I wish to bring before the boom the great the object might be attained in two ways; either a expressed. When I spoke to you, air, on your right handified in uniting his propositions in one bill. He believed opened the debate confined himself to the constitutional ileal-gema India •• • •lunt 367 829 39,496 61,826
Amor adosioe not only the personal safety of mil. , return might be moved for of the proceedings was standing the right hoe. gentleman the Secretary for that ths House a bones bad lust year exercised an inherent question, but studiously guarded himself from moving on 8•12171t111.1 - 14117,471 or
eideelmenilierm this bousie,dut more pgwciallytb•leadcrs on iof the commisaioners in lunacy, or, if that were not POWS tone 243 206 4,606 4,420
the Home Department. I beckoned to him, arid asked him right in rejecting the bill for the repeal of the pope: that occasion upon that limited point-be left the large
both sides a the home -out only affecting the safety thought desirable, I would undertake to addrem an official to be good enough to come round, become I wished him to duty, but that the policy of the exercise of that nett issue open, and upon that large issue nut a word had been
of thia herwe. but that of the public at large, sal not ouly letter to the commissioates, millet( upon them to make a hear what I was ',tying. I spoke to you, sod on your was doubtful, and that the right itself had been pushed spoken that night except by a minister ot the crown. A TALLOW.-There has been again very little speculative
that, but affeetimr the ,baraeter of our decisiecia that • tall report, which report I would undertake to lay upon the statement that I could not interfere with the orders of the
to the extreme. The course now recommended by minister of the crown had made • speech upon the financial action in the tallow market since our loot report. The trade
pereoe us this eetelatem, inkier • certificate of that pmuliar 1 table of the house. If that course should aparateod be the day, I retired from the step on your left hand, and spoke to the government was sustained by usage, and under scheme, had gone into the details, had vindicated it continues to takes fullav rage quantity of tallow forpresent
es/mtge. stintill id• alloWsol to come into tl.is house from proper one, I would thee ask the hoe. sal gentle- the right hon. gentleman. We then discussed the propriety the circumstances of the ease was right lo policy. If, how• from tacks, and had called upon him (Mr. Disraeli) er• use, chiefly from the 1859eY.C., and the market is steady in
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a lunatic amlum. and give hi. vote upon • matter affecting era to withdraw his motion for the present, or if unwilling of bringing the matter before the house, and I must say ever, the opposition wen dissatisfied, Bottum 000ld be more sooallzito take the opportunity and answer hie reproaches, all'Dons:-Contract April to June, 58a; Octoberto
the interest. of the ',matey. (Hear, heard I think that to take that course as a final measure he might withdraw it that from the right hoe. gentlemen I received no dimmeion, reasonable than that they should move a vote of want of and ' taxa, state the policy the opposition intended to December, 55a • 1869 Y.O Y.C.;63e. to 53e. 3d. ; South Amen.
into this matter the house is bound to inquire. I charge subject to renewal should the explanations of the commis- but he agreed with me in thinking it waa a matter gravely confidence in ministers. Something had been said lately of pursue. It was with this challenge from the noble lord the cap, Mi. d., to ia,, Lt pipe ; no Odom (w*. Town
aohody, and I wish to affect nobody, but I only desire to sionen not be considered sufficient. (Hear.) impurtiog the house. (Hear, bear.) For, recollect the "Down with the paper duty, and up with the ter duty ;" Secretary of State nin ringing in their core-(" Olt, oh 1")- tallow is soiree M Ws. fid., met stash. Comanut oil is at its all the fact.• because it ot quite clew somebody is to Mr. BALL, having some knowledge of the facts of the circumstances under which we were standing. Here was • but he ventured to predict that if a cry were raised of that the Chancellor of the Exchequer TIMM ammoroest steady for Cochin firm for Cylon, 475. 10d. Cochin. 46e.
blsuie, and e hat I wish ie. that the home than find out men, craved permission to make a few observation*, and in gentleman who was in charge Of • physician under the oar- "Up with the House of Lords, and down with the House and expressed his sad surprise that the Houma Commons Ceylon ; Sydney, 465. to 475., good to fine. Palm oil firm
that P•r""n ups whom the bionw ought I" rest. Mew., the first itatence must protest against the iodeliesev of tificats of two physicians, which omtifieste said that the of Commons," the country would confirm by • triumphant should disease his bur4et. (Chews.) Itoppeared to him at 45e. 10d. to 46a, fine Lagos. South American horse
M ar.l You. sir• thought that by private intiumous to the briegieg such, matter before the house, the pain indicted by hon. member for thimbridire wee dangerous to himself and majority the power, US W% and authority of the House of that there W•• DO groom' or reason for the obJections of the grime. 386. • rough fat, oa. iii&-(From the circular of omonexiimers as lunar/. )463 med. obtain from them which would he much vital by the appointment of • others. An hon. gentleman behind rue said he would Commons. right hon. gentleman. The right hon. gentleman might be %seri. Smith and chubs; da.a-„„,„day ,„,,,,i„..)
a promise that they would take pree,utioe that committee. (Hear.) Unless they were disposed te dispute rather trust to himself than to the certificate of two Lord J. MANNERS declined to admit as conclusive pursuing a policy advantageom to the country and honour- .
the same thing should not happen NNW. But is the statement of the hon. and teamed member for Cambridge, physicians. Now, I would not. Here was a man, under the dictum of SirJaams Graham, and warned the house not able to himself. This was not the opportunity, on the
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that )04 faded. I want to now whether the he did not see why the diecussion need any further. the oath of two physicians, said to be dangerous to himself to raise an issue which might involve the two houses in motion for adjournment, to eater upon such a discussion, .„ .
law W in fault or the rewiniwinoere 111 Wilt. or No public interest was involved, a the stirring of such and others. (Murmurs.) There is a warmer here as if I collision. but this the right hon. gentleman must know, that be was '67 quiet" °Da • welder"! business at Saturday's Priem-
w bather the parsons is charged. this Its. gestleman a question was certainly not for the interest of the house. well stating that which was not true. lam stating it, and Sir F. GOLDSMID supported the bill. taking, if not an noprecesiented, at tenet a very unusual Tb• Ides ar• 'VW Wee, including ''.24° ADlerwolli 414
are in tank. 1 wish to kerm this in ceder that the to 81d. • 1,500 Surat, ISed. to 6(d. • 300 Eforptian, Bd. to Pelnoe He hoped, therefore, that the matter would be allowed hon. gentlemen can contradict se if they like ; but a coin- Mr. BOLT admitted the right of the house to include the course, and surely he was the last man to grudge the hums ,„, _.2 . . .
or which 2,000 are for speculation se export. The
"Wirle,l "i'Y be Printed out to the w"rid• end that it shall to drop, and that the louse would rest eatiefied with missioner of lunacy informed me that was the purport of whole !oldest in one bill, but urged that it was a novel the due examination of the matter introduced, and the nu-
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sot Implicit agate ; moll that the public at large shall know the statement of the hon. and learned member for Cam- the certificate. Moreton', when I discussed the matter course intended to mien • triumph of the house over the policy he recommended. He did sincerely trust that Wee
that this house shall not is. lir the Imputation that it allows bridge. (Hear, heard with the right honourable gentleman the Secretary co-ordinate branch of the legislature by substituting direct the house would not be pot to a division, but that CATTLE-U.2lg h, Mar 13.-The supp y I WaN much
pervio us lli suet) peculiar eircumMances to vote upon a Lord PALM MOMS -I cannot quite acquiesce in the for the Home Office, he sod I both came to the for indirect taxation. the noble lord would feel that it was for his own
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matter which may effect the best interests 4 the country, view which some hon. members seem to have taken of this conclusion that it imported this house that something Mr. COLLIER was of opinion that the house had availed honour, aod for the honour of the house, that the lees than on last Monday ;of sheep and lambs larger. The
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and, therefore, sir, without further delay, I bag to move matter. I smite feel that the discussion of equation of this should be done to prevent the recurrence of such a trace. it of the only muse open to it in order to maintain its debate should be adj ourned, and that there should demand
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WOO 008 a ceemaittee shall be appointed to inquire into dart land always be attended with great Pala to all who are action. Ido not know whether the law is to blame. The privileges and avoid a eoefiiet with the House of Lords. be a fair and complete discussion upon the whole value soeep.
the dimmers., wider which air. "twin• the member misted to or coonersed with the hon. member principally right bee. gentleman says it is not. The law is not in He was not prepared to commit the privilege, of the house merits of the policy upon which he (Mr. Dimaeli) had him-
for Weald" voted is 5 derma,v upon prid.,y monies taterested. Nobody can regret the infliction of melt pain fault and the ootomissioaers are not in fault, but he does to the moderation of Lord Derby as shadowed forth at a self been challenged by one of the principal ministers of the
week but. I Hem hear.) ni me than I do; but at the same time I feel that there are not say the who had this hon. gentleman in charge civic feast. so he recommended the hones to read the bill , crown to express hie opinion. (Hear, hear.) WEATHER REPORT.
Er. HADFIELD secoa.led the motion. higher consideration, that must not be lest eight was not is Z2°.. 1 laid the blame to nobody. I stated the a second time by • large majority. Lord PALIIERSTON-I must admit that the right hog. MONDAY, MAT la, 810 9 8.14 Mr. MAC•IiVIAY said it was not hie intentios, in tieing ..,
or and we cannot let a question involving fact, and woos has cootradicted what I stated. I have Mr. WHITESIDE charged the government and their gentleman has made what in my opinion ia a very mil-
epost this motioe, to offer sty arguments either um way or I such higher ~,neidemtious turn merely on the amount of stated that the hon. gentlemen was in charge under a certh supporters with an attempt to coerce the conscience of the wincing speech, but the conviction he has brought to my & & lL D. 1. 0. L S.
the _ether. why t..bewt, .Moll or should. wit be sPPointed the 1 pain its diacumios may inflict on any circle, or individual. finite stating that he was dangerous to himself and others, House of Lords at the expellee of their patrio.ism. He mind is the very opposite to that which be wished to pro-
wonwleowo...._ far welten_too hon- weber had at moved. but (Hear, hear.) Sir, it is a very serious charge that a person and that notwithstanding he came here and voted- Isay ills regarded this ail an unjust, unfair and unreasonable ex- deco. (Cheers and laughter.) If I undentand rightly ---- - - -.
MOM the 80400404 walla in dad towards the boo- gentle labouring seder a mental infirmity, and at the moment a thing dangerous to society at large, and contrary to the penment, and, viewing it also as an moult upon the Howe what the right hon. gentleman stated he does not intend to
sem whose same had been so meneeemarily meotioited- under medical treatment for that infirmity. should present dignity of the proceedings of this house. (Oh, oh.) I ham of Lords, he for one would resent it. dispute that part of the budget which is eciesected with the ~,,,,,,.
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iintd, anal ad " Haan. bank- .Lad eanadni. all that • Malin I himself in this house to TOW on wiuestioo of great public murmurs, but the noble lord at the head of liar Majeety's Lord J. RUSSELL reminded the house that the real income tax to revive the question of the tea duties, nor to l'"'"
er the boo toothiness had left the some about two months ; thews* gad I think it very desirable that seeps should be government seems to agree with me in thinking so, bemuse question before it was the privilege of the House of Com- object to the repeal of the paper duty. ("Oh, oh .4 and rem 80.26 48 SS N.W. 2 b
ages hi l'obeeed 01110"i:rod oleos him (Mr. Macaulay), i taken to Prevent the More/rut of such a proceeding, they were the words be used. When I °resulted with moos, and that precedents wen Dot wanting in which the cheers.) He stated, as far as I understood, that 'thee, Bzo,wiez lO.l 48 43 24. 7 0
i• Ow Pooletell of canasta)* of the 000- member tor (Hem, hen.) But as my right hon. friend has stated, we you, sir, on Saturday lash, my phrase was flan-" You upper house had carried bills similar to the present framed matters had been disposed of--that upon the resolutioo AlrilWeilae 3OlO 45
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and se be iotimately acquainted with the believe that the matter bed been fully iiieemigated by the have failed in your private endeavours to prevent the re- for the readjustment of the finances of the country. As of the house the duties would be levied as • matter of P 0114••••-•• 10.51 el 45 BA&
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_lebOSOl26l. =Ye bar.) If it had NO/ been ter i kra recessinnedarioa to ray haw and learned hiend to with. a corner ;" and the words you need were, "1 think wean;" in by Mr. Pitt to diminish certain additional amend there is any intention of objecting to the sealed reading of ingl'Aa.DAY -•a a gg N. II 0•• liamilaill el as and learned member for l&salehl draw his motion, m being premature atoll event., and to con. and you agreed with me La thinking it was a very dance tone which had become obnoxious, and imposing the MIL He has simply stated that be wishes for discus• ug-gig,-,i01.7 mu 48 a N.N.W. y 5
LI skeuld have lees Wind •• suppuse that this motile tembenself, in the first instance, with obtaining 'report from roes matter. Well, then, I feariessly throw myself on an income tax instead, which the House of Lords Mon. He (criticises the statement of my right boo. friend varmint. - 10.16 49 68 13.8.8. 9:a
hod bags uni• far as oaks of Iritlall pun to individuals, the commissioueirn. That report may show that there is no house and the country. (Cries of "Oh, ob.") I have agreed to without demur. He did not See how it could be that no issue had been raised. I Bayne issue has been raised rtieNOWIL m.2l 64 63 8.8. W. 7 0
lid be wend net knesher that that object formed Leo part et dagger of se swot of the kind occurring again, and in that been called eafeelinef -them, hear)-but I was determined an insult to the House of Ueda to send up to it a bill upon the woad reading. (Cheers.) Wei have bad a long MUM=
aa• notion a **boa and hound gentleman ; still he could case my hon. aid learned friend would has satisfied. If, oa that no private cossideration should overcome the public framed on precisely the same principle as the money bil6 of debate, but sot one single memberwho has spoken on the Lew" 19.14 43 43 N. 0 0 -
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Meer% Amami beee ken Uguy,ht forward. (Hear hear.) at my tone resume his motion. (Hear, hear, and cries of under these circumstances, every pewees ought to be under although the opposition had first asserted that the surplus thesecond reading. Then the question is, whether those pennage gen ,g 46 N. 3 • 1
Eat se the wenn nri bees brought forward, antis llia o Roebuck.") the charge and control of iedividttals to whom he is was •a pure fiction, they had subeequeetly recommended the who object ia general to the fidincial arnegernents of the mom=
name had bees Inlontaand, he lewd be excused for calling Mr. HORSMAN had a suggeetion to make which he confided, and that individual iseAbt to be responsible boom to reduce duties exceeding by a tarter of a million right hon. gentleman, or the
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Mr. COLLIER was of opinion that the house bad availed
iLelf of the only course open to it in order to maintain its
rieileps and avoid a eoeflict with the House of Lords.
He was not prepared to commit the privileges of the house
to the moderation of Lord Derby as shadowed forth at a
civic feast. so he recommended the house to read the bill
• second time by • large majority.
Mr. WHITESIDE charged the government and their
supporters with an attempt to coerce the conscience of the
House of Lords at the expellee of their patrio.ism. He
regarded this as an unjust, unfair and unreasonable ex-
periment, and, viewing it also as an intuit upon the House
of Lords, he for one would resent it.
Lord J. RUSSELL reminded the house that the real ,
question before it was the privilege of the House at Cteng-
moos, sad that precedent" were not wanting in white the
upper house had carried bills similar to the present framed
for the readjustment of the ffnaocee of the country. La
an instance the noble lord referred to a bill branght
in by Mr. Pitt to diminish certain additional assimsd
taxes which had become obnoxious, and imperials
as income tax instead, which the House of Lords
agreed to without demur. He did not see how it could be
sea insult to the House of Lords to send up to it a bill
framed on precisely the same principle as the money bills of
Mr. Pitt. The noble lord also expressed his surprise that,
although the opposition had first asserted that the simplex
was a pure fiction, they had subsequently recommended the
bars to reduce duties exceeding by a qquarter of a million
three which the governineat rroommesded.
Lind It. CECIL took the personal view of the
and contended that, as Mr. Gladstone had faile3 tit% '
previous Unsocial calculations, he was unable to trust him
on thia occasion, and therefore he still doubted the fact of a
surplus, and bad no confidence in his budget. Having ree
inured in some degree to the style sad language of his last
speech on this question, the noble lord's remarks were re-
coved with some impatience and marks of dimapprolation.
Mr. DU CANE moved the adjourenteet of -the debate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the
boa member would pause before he Famed hie motion.
(Hear, hear.) The discussion had been occupied in debat-
ing point. of • somewhat simple character, and he ho
the house would pause before it acceded to any fort
edjourement of • queOjon upon which no imue had been
raised—(hear, hear.))—no motion made, or whether it was
Intended to offer say opposition to the Looped reading of
the bill. (Hear, hear.) The Unsocial statement
was snide on the 15th of April, and all other
basaess was put aside by the government in order to
go on with the fieanaal *theme. The plan involved only
two propositions, which were rest of • novel or ample:
character, and yet they had ahead? disposed of one-meth
pert of the time of the session of parliament without pro-
ses. sipeen! in any matter mospli fiesta. Seventeen days
before the Speaker was permitted to leave the
shah., which he believed to be mexasepled in parliamentary
Watery. (Hear, hear.) Is 1853, when extensive plans
were proposed, they were permitted. after seven days, to
discuss them in committee of ways and means. (Hear.) In
1855 they were permitted to do so after three days. This
a the eighth night of the diet:maim, and till the
present moment not a word had been laid of the ooest,.u-
tired point. (Oh, oh.) He did not want to mime any coo.
tramway, but he did not think the constitutional question
entered seriously into the diecussion till that night. (Hear.)
Meanwhile the revenue was suffering by the state of un-
certainty in which things were left, and under these cir-
cumstances be hoped the debate would be no further pro-
longed. (Hear.)
Mr. DISRAELI mid the Chancellor of the Exchequer
had complained of the great delay which had taken place
in the consideration of the financial measures of the govern.
meet ; but the right hoe. gentleman must pardon him for
saying that the house bad sever been paired, upon men-
sores id this character, in the position in which it was placed
this year. (Opposi:ion cheers.) There had no doubt at
different times been many equally or even wore important
measures brought forward by the government, but they
had never been connected with • combination of circum-
stmess from which it arose that that house and
that house alone could decide upon the merit.
of the policy recommended. (Hear, hear.) Then it
became them under rich conoderations—when the other

Mr. MACAULAY said it waii not Lis inteotiou, 10 ruing
epos Qin motes, to offer •ty arguments either one way Of
the other. why then should or should not be appointed the
ommittee Is. which the hon. member had just moved. bet
Aging the plebes which he did towards the bon. teeth
ism whose Yens had bees so umecemarily meotimed -
feed trim 4 " Mow, bens)-rod ecenidarieg that a relative
of the bee. methane had left tie boese about two mouths ;
age. be behoved it devolved mon him (Mr. Macaulay),
elemi...L.Lina± the poetise et colliegue of the boo. member tor
, and as Mies intimately acquainted with the
les11;71a• ems, to 'hinds upon the Meshes of *behoves
for • few momesta. (Hear, hear.) If it had Not been for i
ha knowleder of the has. and learned member for ithedlekl
Ise Moab' have has. Wised to suppose that this motim
had been made for the mks of giving pain to individuals,
bat be sent est eirmires that that object formal say part of
the nisei= el the lee. and learned geetleinan ; still he could
sieseneehe why, kr any peblit- purpose, the same of Mr.
Risme alweld have hese Drought forward. (Hear, beer.)
BM se the weft" had been brought forward• and as his
same had his mestiened. he mast be eaneed for selling
Meet* to the tai, and to ensued the eamixed circum•
Meese 4 the meat ailment of Mr. Steuart, and thee the
home wonkl see hew Veda ground there Ina for briaging
11611111 before the beam (Hear, hear.) The hoe. sad
Iserned academes had nimbi a staimnest in reforest* to
the edema Hr. flimart wee summed to labour seder
many years age, het he (Mr. Maes.day) would be glad to
loom whet err the yekvamy of that statineest -(lood
creme of " Has, tsar)-mad he should also he glad to !mow
where the hoe. sad learned gestlymea get his ilifurntaten
from. (Hem, hear.) But Ibis he knew• the swirly a week
yqea be Imams actimintel id:vitally, mil thee
atleswanis by the great courtesy of We Spanker
tome* him with the fact that it was the deter.
samation of the boa. and learned geothermal to bring
New mciantemees before the home. He (Mr. Macaulay)
thee pet himself is menniunkstion with the her. and
lemma gentlemas,aad as that mansion be conveyed to hies
a ateihruest eatirely different to that which he had just
made so the home. The hoe. aid loomed syntheses told
him that ben win wader the sesemity of kmagrag it before
the hem became it win is. of grim beano! 4 privilege,
and that lime the 11061011.0 which he h.wl received, Its
believed that Mr. Steuart hail bees brought dotes le the
hellie by lant, sad bad been aocouipasied Ity ewe
keepers, who hhe at the door, and waited ler him
till he wo awl thew accompanied him away bent
the knee. He told the hoe. and leari
times that that statement was not Mee,
much as be himself arcompanied Mr sieuart oell et the
bums, walked arra-isorte with him to Palace-yard sad saw
dim atom cab. The hon. and learned gentketaxi this mill
three two uses were elms to him at the time although be
did em are them. (Hear, Marl He told him the merges
of hie Orientating• sad that there warn so doubt whatever
that when Mr. Sauart came demi to vote bit mind oss bee
hoes evert thing which conk' be called inuoity, and that
there was not • tram si w a streak of issauity or derange.
meat in it, and that at least it was a eased as the bee.
'4 Memel geetleman's own. (Loud beibter.) St OM
time his 11.00 ignorant, when be 'mho I. the hen. and
learned gentlemen. of the details slating Ike recent al-
most 4 llre steihrt, but be told him that about dose
mete previonsly he hail revived • knee free Mrs. Stewart
mealy mikes him to take charge of Mr. Steuart's lettere
and pelitiona, for that he. was unwell and bad gooe into the
.winfory. Shortly af terwariln he received a letter from Mr.
trenert, which he regretted he amid not sow produce. If
lot led hemmed that the preservatim of that letter would
have begs of any calm es a question of this kind, or that
such at enemies would berm arises. be mead have saes
emery are of it. sad ham reed it to the boom A. it was,
be eoull poly my what Ni. Steuart mid of himself tea days
Wien be nom down to vote. The letter was dated from
the asylum alluded to. The writer said, You will learn
by this where I am, mod the fort of my meet suffering
maw the attacks of extreme &premien of spirit.. I Lave
pied myself where I ant, is urder that I may obtain a com-
plete restoration of my health. I have no douid that a few
weeks' rest will effect this object, la the meantime I ham
thought at bettor to abstain altogether from every beilases,
pertismeutery aml private. I am sow much better, my Abet
perfectly well. soil I thrill be capable of etseisgeOse tete,
Loses at any tine I shall thiak it assmary to give_ my
vote." He took no ratios of the eiremintanes, ear bad any
oommunicatioe as to Mr. Meliart's vote rained between hint
sad my other perms. Mr. Steuart vol wearily called upon
• misdeal num sad dies:keel to lion his beentions. The
home would milerstend Mat they were only maeatioss,
(Hear, hear.) Ile informed the medical min ehwt be do-
med for his owe safety to place himself eerier medical cos-
. toil end treatese•et. Dr. Winslow told Mr. Steuart that
by the statute law be could not receive him
lehe hie umlaut without the certificate of two phyticiaos.
. That wea. he believed. a peculiarity of the law of EngLinil,
vela., that it teas ace lawful for my man, bowever cooseious
he skit le of a growing iofitinity, to confine in •
hereof kind, or to ammeter himself, unlit. i.e obtained
the cestiltatet of two medical men a. to the state of his
need; accordingly tlr. Steuart. at bin own auggettioe,
welted two meilical men, sad baring obtained throw forma-
lities, 'resat net* received I/ Dr. Winslow. That was 011
the lath ApriL Stool thee, up to the moment of ha
gilder thin vote. Kr. Steuart was sever muds the slightest
melesial er morons, hut hverl in the or.ljeftry way as as
snlleary Monte or visitor of Dr. Winslow. establishment.
He Vent M sod mane mart, oomieg up to London and visit-
' leg his !rheas whenever he phased, and then never had
lees say gaping' ee our .Lock of mental alierratim what.
rest. (Boar, hear.) Ile felt that this matter should set
sad 011011 sot have here brought before the bone, mines
there were moo penes to be called to the 1011. 0/ the hots*,
es& if serftomy, pushed for his ernes in reference to
Mime. Os die early part 111 the day Named, Mr. Steuart
celled epee Dr. Winslow and impressed as 'steatite to
come down to the howw arid vote. Dr. Winslow sold every-
thing be mold to demiaile him loan doieg so, at I took 1211110.
Ames to premed it, became be thmight that mining into a
crowded and excited place might In very injurious to the
health of lb. leismart. He left Dr. Winslow ureter that
impression, wad so f.ir he wee mot reepeeithie for what took
Sic' Liter nay, miner to the evening. Mr.
footed to the other medical nee id charge if the
posse where he resided that be mast Leconte down teen,
met Dr. Bartlett likewee M same terms diesti
Mr. Steuart from coming to vote, be* aware of
stet had paned lateen Mr. Steuart and Dr. Win-
slow is the moment of that day. (Hew, hemr.)
Mr. Steuart naiad be would go, and Mr. Bartlett, who bad
army =elan; rom.im, haling that be would night greater
Misr) os tlr. ?thwart'. !week if be detaised hen than if be
idlmed 'on, to go, left kilo, as • choice '4 evils, to follow
hi own dincretion. He (dr. itaandsiv) had. ender theme
circumstance., atonal. tined epos the boa, sail leaned
mender for Minidisk'. that miler he felt that the ease wee
no bad • ma that either Mr. Bartlett or Dr. Wieslow,or
somebody elm could be called so to would sod rambled,
he thoull sot persist with he motifs. (Fleur, bear.) He
naked him whether any hearing which the queens bad os
the privileged of that home could! Ile fora moment weighted
sealed the intolerable pale which the proceeding, if made
public would whet on Mr. Steuart, hie family, and a large
Miele of honwest people--eepyrially on Mr. Steuart himself
-who, like the rest .4 methyl. would rood the proceodisits
of Yet home on the follows reorsiag. lOppostleos

higher eousidMationt that must atleir.losi;ight
of, and we cannot let a question involving
such higher raid/ratan turn merely on the amount of
pain its discussion may inflict on soy circle, or individuaL
(Hear. hear.) Sir, it is a very serious charge that a person
labouring seder a mental infirmity, and at the moment
ender medical treatment for that infirmity, should present
himself in this house to vote on a question of great public
interest, sad I think it very desirable that steps should be
takes to menet the reeurrerce of such a proceeding.
(Hear, hoar.) But as my right hoe. friend has stated, we
believe that the matter bad been fully investigated by the
commissioners in lunacy. and therefore I quite concur in
his reammeedation to my hoe. mil learned fined to with-
draw his motion, ss being premature at all emote, and to con-
teat himself, In the flit instance, with obtaining &report from
the commiesiousee. That report may show that there is no
dagger of ea sweet of the kind occurring *gain, and in that
case my hon. sad learned friend would les satisfied. If, oe
the coat nay, there be grounds for further action, he may
at say time resume his motion. (Hear, hear, and cries of
" Roebuck.")
Mr. HORSMAN had a suggestion to make which he
thEitht would get the WON out of the difficulty. The pro.
of the Seesslsay of State was liable to thui objectiou,
it the antics were withdraw. sow it would he ander
shell t liable to be spin mounted, and his (Mr.
lierneee opinion wee that discussion on such • subject
ahead he se mach as possible avoided. (Hear, hear.)
He wail engem another opera, by which they might
New et s 0 the nfonnation on that day.
His Sea has. Mai said that the report
al the oremieeleeeee it lunacy would be cc's-
desire, but he (Mr. Haelemeo) apprehended that if say
elogle commission* le Marcy ware sitting in that house,
that be could he ableived by the Speaker from hie
ugh of secrecy, he weskit he able to state all the faces
which wen neossarylo. ath them to decide the question.
Oa of these °Pemmican occupied the bench behind him,
and if that patisserie had Do objection he might be called
via by the Speaker, whoa his katement would carry oar
melba to the meads of every member meant
seurest that the Speaker shoal' call apse the hem member
for Hereford to state what be knew of the circumstances of
the ere.

not say the person who had this hon. gentleman in charge
was set is fault. I laid the blame to nobody. I stated the
bat, sad noose has contradicted what I stated. I have
stated that the hon. gentlemen was in charge under a certi-
ficate stating that he was dangerous to himself and othen,
and that notwithstanding he came here and voted. I say it is
a thing dangerous to society at large, sod °outran to the
dignity of the proceedings of this house. (Oh, ob.) I bear
murmurs, but the noble lord at the head of her Majeety's
government seems to agree with me in thinking so, because
they were the words he used. When I consulted with
you, sir, on Seturday last, my phrase was this—" You
have failed in your private mideavours to prevent the re-
eurreace of this matter. It scum to a we an driven into
a case ;" and the words you used were, "I think wears r
and low sgreed with me to thinking it wse a ne7
roue matter. Well, thee, I fearlessly throw myself do?
house and the country. (Cries of "Oh. oh.") I have
hem called uefeelinn—(hear, hear)—but I was determined
that no private consideration should overcome the public
conaideration. (Oh, oh.) The consideration is this, that
under these circumstanoes, every pence ought to be under
the charge and control of individuals to whom lie is
confided, and that individual °eight to be responsible
for any injury which may arise, Will my one tell me the
physicians would have wined that entifimte without the
person being dangerous Supposing that the person had
Indicted a dangerous wound on himself, or on any member
of the house? (Oh.) It did not happen , but it might have
happened. However, I am perfectly willing to do
what the right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary
wishes. I have no desire but for the public gond
en this occasiou—(ela, oh)—and if the house will permit me,
I am perfectly reedy to withdraw my motion—(no, ao)--er
the house may negative it, or do what they like with it. I
have stated to the house the circumstances I believed it im-
ported them to know. In doing that I bare done my duty
to the house and to the public at large.
Sir G. GREY could not help expressing his regret that
the boa. and learned member should have adverted to a
private convereatioe between himself and the Speaker.
(Hear, hear.) The hoe. and learned gentleman must lave
done it inedverteetly, bet se be led done so, perhaps
he (Sir G. Grey) might also be snowed to follow his en.
ample to a mall extent, and my that the Speaker had en.
head b ki• lie f
earnest
esct,,mnde anxious
ttssitlia that
use. the
uses
isaY eel, oud
siumem) _ e right hon. gentleman, the Secretary of
etiaft, bed been in communication with the Commissioners
el blew with regard to the subject, and the hon. and
lemma inilentaa, the member for Sheffield, could have
called for their report when it was made without the
report being laid publicly before the house. He thoughi,
the adoption of that course ought to have satisfied the hen.
end learned member. (Hear, beer.)
Colonel CLIFFORD merely wished to correct an erro•
MOW opinion that in his capacity as a lunacy commissioner
be bed furnished in any way the hon. and learned member
with the information on which he had acted. Without being
swan that the Doe. and learned gentleman war going to
bring forward the subject, he might have said that such a
committee was sitting.
Mr. MALI NS thought the house was not sufficiently alive
to °slavery important circumstance in the cue—namely,that
of dates. The hon. and learned member for Sheffield stated
that Mr. Steuart placed himself in the lunatic asylum of Dr.
Forbes Wilmslow, under a certificate that he was dangerous
to himself and others, but the house should recollect that
wee done on the 6th of April, and it was not until the 3rd
of May that the boo. They
gave his vote in that
house. (Hear, hear.) They should also bear in mind that
during the interval Dr. Forbes Winslow allowed Mr. Steuart
to proceed to and from London to see his friends sod trans-
act business. (Hear, bear.) He deprecated the subject
being brought berme the house, but es the hon. *ad learned
men sr had proceeded so far he earnestly hoped the meths
would not be allowed to be withdrawn, but that they maid
show their unseal the impropriety of the proceeding takesi,lay
at once negativing the motion—fuer, heart—and thus defog
ell they could to relieve the feelings of Mr. Steuart, who,
be believed, wan quite as capable of feeling the impropriety
f the motion as another bon. gentleman. (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. C. LRWIS said that he was unwilliag to remain
Meat after the eeeouat which the boa. and learned genie-
men (Mr. Roebuck) had given of a private convention
with him. It was quite true that a conversation to the
effect diacritic(' had taken place, but he did not us-
i and it was anything more than such a conversation es
usually took place between hoe. members aoqueinted with
each other ; and be certainly had not expected to bear it
referred to in the course of the present debate. lie would
state, to the best of his recollection, what passed on Wit
occasion. The hon. and learned gentleman was in conver-
sation with the Speaker on the subject of this debate as be
(Sir G. C. Lewis) was passing, and requested him to stop in
order to hear the substages of that coaversition. After a
few words he sat down with the hon. and lanced gentle.
man, who then consulted him as to the course he should
adopt. The hon. and learned member now said that he
(Sir G. C. Lewis) did not dissuade him froru bringing the
'safer before the heave, but neither did he pursuade him.
(Hen, bear.) Be (the right hon, gentleman) offered no
da:awhatever upon the question as to whether it was
it wrong ; whether it was wise or unwise to bring the
su *set before the house. He was perfectly aware of the
efforts which were nude by the Speaker to dissuade the
hon. and learned member from bringing the subject below
the loose—(gibers)—but as he (Sir (1. Lewis) was officially
coenectaal with the commissween of nosey be considered

Lord PAIMERSION—I mast admit that the right hoe.
gentleman btu made what in my opinion is a very con-
vincing speech, but the conviction he has brought to my
mind is the very opposite to that which he wished to pro-
dna% (Cheers and laughter.) If I understand rightly
what the right hon. gentleman stated he does not intend to
dispute that part of the budget which is ecusected with the
income tax to revive the question of the tea duties, nor to
object to the repeal of the paper duty. ("Oh, oh, and
cheers.) He stated, as far uI understood, that 'these
mattes had been disposed of--that upon the resolntioe
of the house the duties would be levied as a matter of
course. Theright hoe. gentleman has not announced that
there is any intention of objecting to the mooed reading of
the bilL He has simply stated that be wishes for discus-
sion. He (criticises the statement of my right boo. friend
that no issue had been raised. I say no issue has been raised
upon the second reading. (Cheers.) We have bad a long
debate, but sot one single member-who has spoken on the
other side ha stated or pointed to any inteotimi of opposing
thesecond reading. Then the question is, whether those
who object is general to the fielincial arnegements of the
right boo. gentleman, or those who object to the manner
in which those arrangements are' oomprised in one meanie.%
shall have the opportunity of fully discussing them.
Bat my right bon. friend has pointed out that there see
many cocasione on which, anoording to the a
wettings of the house, that dismiss/on can take ;I:7=
is the question of you, sir, leaving the dale, sad upon that,
es well as on the third reading there there will be a fell oppor-
tunity for disowning all the details of the general financial
arrangemente of my right hoe. friend. Those who object
to the arras emend by which all these details are com-
prised in the bill must make their objections in the corn.
mittee upon the bill. That will be the proper opportunity
for them • and therefore I must say that- I have heard no
maim whatever amigosl for the adjournment of this de.
bete. (Hear, hear.) If it had been stated that the second
reeding would be opposed, and if notice of that opposition
had been given, and if it were alleged that members who
meant to speak upon that question had not had an tipper,
Way for stating their reasons, there might be some
for an adjournment, but as all seem agreed
hatd the second reading should pass without a
division—(laughter from the opposition)—l do not
see auy valid reason for adjonnorig the debate. Silence
gives consent. (Cheers and laughter, and cries of "Oh,
eh.") As every member who has spoken km hitherto bees
'Heat as to any intention to oppose the second reading I am
entitled to assume that no such intention eslats. (Cries of
"No, no," and cheers.) That being the ease, I shall cer-
retati.leem it my duty to object to the adjournment of the
(Cheers, and arks of " Divide.")

210,2

There O. C. LEWIS interposed for the purpose of call-
Math* attention of the house to the oath
by the lunacy cenunieeiesers on catering
ea the office. The right honourable baronet had read
the feeth which hound the oommiesioners to " Keep 'acne
all such matters as shall comae to my space in my office,
=when called upon to diadoes by legal authority, or
hotter execution of the duty imposed oo me by this
see Of course the authority of the Speaker would be Ind-
iana fee any member, but it could sot be exercised with-
out firma notice, and in coosequenos of a resolution of
thebosse, and it apps red to him that under any circum-
aneses the coarse now propmed would b. • very inconve-
nient oss. Os the contrary, if hie (Sir G. C. Lewis's) se3-
peilies wen followed they would have the report of the
sake heard, which would have, of comae, more weight than
the datimeest at any angle commissioner made without
canommicetion with hie colleagues. He had no wish to
the hems taking any pains to elucidate the cam.
pia
eeglitt the matter was we that could not be
over, bat that the mahout's information to be derivedfarioc:n
the report el the isonimicaosere would be eufficient for all
Pr.rffffTVIIIIIE thought they had already quite eufficiert
information, sad be regretted that the unhappy dream
Blasco should have bees bnieglit under the notice of the
louse. Taking, however, for panted all that had bees
stated by the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, he felt
int difficulty iu treating the nutter so a breach of privi-
He was not aware that en unhappy oatmeal. to
=h all mankind were subject, diequali&d • member
frees giving his vote ; nor, indeed, that the goodies had
oarless raised as an of privilege Supposing • coeusiteee
to be eppointed, what was it to inquire into! Was It to in-
quire into the sanitary coalition of the unhappy gentleman,
or were the to take it for muted that the certificate of
two m men was to decide on the competency of any
member et that house. In hie opinion such questions ought
set to he raised ; for, remember, gentlemen were in such
eases rest tolunatie sevlurnia which were to all inteeta and
KT:Mprisons, and thou the martian might arise whether
i.! to put a member snider each latralet without
communicating the fact to the house. Racy were to be coo-
elided by the certificates of two medical men, ainallarquestioos
would frequently be raised, and very painful communications
would sometime% have to be made to the house. He re-
grate I that any member of that house should have
felt himself justified in bringing such a question for-
ward. There were subjects which sere better let alone is
an assembly of English geotlernen, and therefore he hoped
that the motion would be met by a decided negative. lOW
position cheers.)
Mr. MILLER said that on the evening of the division,
ke had met Mr. Saari in the lobby not knowing that he
woe affected, and asked him to joie him (Mr. Miller) in a
derriere. Mr. Steuart declined, alleging that not being
very well he had gone to live for • short time in the
neighbourhood of Richmond. He (Mr. Miller) replied that
that was a long distanee to go, to which Mr. Sawed '
observed that he had felt rather servo= lately, and thoright
it better to live • little out of awe. Mr. Steuart added
that he was quite well then, and =mat to resume his du-
ties. He (Mr. Miller) bail not the slightest idea that Mr.
Snead had suffered or was suffering from mental Ahern,
ties, and, having served on 1uu.0.7 committee*, he believed
that if Mr. Steuart bed exhibited the slightest symptoms of
aberratioe, be (Mt. Miller) should have recognised them.
Mr. Simian took • cab by himself, and in it promoted to
his readies:a He trusted that the house would out eves
aces& to the proposal of the Secretary of State, as it
would give as much pain to the family as the success of
the arigisni motion. He trusted the house would meet the
nos of the hos. and learned member for Sheffield
tri :direct negative.
Mr. BA&I admitted that this unhappy matter had created
n very gnat emeation. but thoeght that the hon. and
leased member for Sheffield had been treated with more
Yen neceseary severity. It was not only in that house that
the matter had been mentioned, but for the last six days it
Ind been the principal topic of conversetioa in every circle.
(Hear, hear.) If any persons should be glad to Mere the
natter thoroughly sifted, it was the mener. who sat on
that (the oppoeitioe) side of the house. ite,,Ulo the mos:
itetreordinary rumours were in circulation as to the niode
ie whirl :1.; =harpy gentleman had been brought there
tei vote. (" Oh," from the opposition.) He was only stating
what he had hasull, and be thought that the public' II
well ea the house were entitled to have the means of corn-
teVado • right judgment ors the subject.
H. LEOX hoped that as one of the oldest
deism& ni the besiouraids member whose OMe was then
Were the Mine ha might be permitted to say a few
wads. Os Friday week he heard that Mr. Steuart, feel-
ing himself to bin • low nervous stele, had placed him-
slit sear town is order that the attack, which he felt might
ease es, should be ptly met by medial treatment.
He met Mr. Btemrt is Um lefty, eft the Wan asked
him (Left H. Lessen) Lew be wee gain te
vete, ens, over, fterties to dissuade Inn
tress the norm wbieb be (Lard B. Lemma) subsequently
task, sad which had ales bought dove apes him
the dissatisfaction of most of his hinds. (
H. could assure the house that when the bom

Kr. NEWDEGATE said the treble lord had put the house
is a very awkward position. He add they were unreason-
able because they objected to a bill of supply being placed
before them in a form which bed not been adopted for 15
years. He (Mr. Newdegate) objected mostdistinctly to
that form, as it touched the privileges of that house. They
now felt the inconvenience of having the whole financial
scheme of the Chcocellor of the Exchequer consolidated
in one bill. That was the reason of all the delay which
had taken place. If each of three matters had been sub-
mitted to them separately, as had been the custom for the
last thirty or forty years, there would not have been this
delay ; but as en independent member, lie wished to Cate
that while be felt himself peeluded from a due discussion
of these measures on the second reeding, he considered that
the privileges of that house were invaded by the manner in
which the government had brought forward their present
financial scaeme. He could plainly see that their object
was to make every financial question a question of confi-
demos in the goeirement, and in that way to coerce the
House of Commons ; but ma a member of that house lie
claimed the right to object to such a system. (Hear, hear,
and cries of " Divide.")
The house then divided :
For the adjournment of tho debate 164
Against

house of parliament was to have no power of revision—it
became them to proceed with caution and deliberation.
There could not be a situation conceived where canna sad
deliberation were more imperatively demanded. (Hear.
War.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer had mentioned
the great inconveniences which might arise to the
finances and the commerce of the country from this
delay, but he bad not been able to realise any precise idea
of what those inconveniences were. First of all let them
consider the income tax. No doubt ioeonveniences must
seise to the government from depending on a tax which in
course of time became meting ; but that was not the fault
of the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.) The act under
which the income tax was need had expired before these
measures were brought forward, and if it were • matter
of emergency that it should be immediately renewed, why
did not the Chancellor of the Exchequer introduce an act,
and ask the home to sanction it? (Hai, bear.) But ho
felt bound to say, speaking with all deference to the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer. that from such slight experience es
be had cf the comequesces of that act having expired before
a financial exposition had been offered to the house no in.
couveeineem could arise. Its action must necessarily be of
an ex post facto eberecter. (Hear, hear.) He then came
to the great duties as tea sad sugar. What possible in•
convenience could happen from the course which the house
had taken in deliberatin on the messures of
the government ? They ell knew that immediately
the resolutions were pawed by the committee
of ways and means tia government acted upon
these remlutioss. Were the government afraid there would
be sa attempt by the opposition to reduce those duties?
In the proud ponies in which they stood with respect to
that subject they might well defy any attempt. (laughter.)
Alibates the law under which those taxes would ultimately
beams levied was out sassed the taxes themselves were
pad, and no doubt had been paid to a great amount that
very day, by virtue of the resolutions passed in committee
of ways and mean. (Hear, bear.) Ho sow IMMO to another
branch of trade is which the Masculine of the Exchequer
would tell him very great misty and lees bad been °ma-
imed, both to the country and to the Treasury, by the
time exhausted in considering the policy of the government.
He referred to the paper trade ; sad be begged the house
to understand that neither the tends nor the Exchequer
could suffer from this suspense. It was quite clear the
trade 'lid not believe they suffered, bemuse two hoe. mem.
bete who represented different opinions with respect to
the policy of the government had contributed to that delay.
One hon. gentleman made a motion the other night which
was to create delay in the measures of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer; while the other, the hon. member for
Abingdon, had absolutely on one of those nights devoted
to independent members, which the government now so
mach grudged them the enjoyment of, plated on the
paper • maim for the appointment of a committee to
'squire into the condition of the paper trade, and therefore
that representative of limeys, trade did not contemplate
any injury to arise from the delay. (Hear, bear.) Bet the
Chancellor of the Exchequer knew perfectly well, from the
system of drawbacks, that, so far as the Exchequer wee
ermeerned, it was impossible the trade could be injured.
The hoe. immix: for Manton, in calculation of the mime
which he made, told the Chancellor of the Exchequer that
by October he would find a 000sidershle loss at then:
dirty upon which be calculated. But the Chancellor
Exchequer said that that was quite a mistake, that he would
not lase a single farthing. (Cheers.) He (Yr. Disraeli) had
the income tax, the paper duty, end the tea
rap tirot;,dt saw no reason why partieseat skald not la

The motion was consequently lost.
Mr. BENTINCK said they had often board that a bad
muse made a bad advocate—(cheers and counter cheers)—
and he felt bound to say he had not, until that division,
thought it possible that any combination of circumstances
would make the noble lord at the bead of the government
so bad an advocate of any muss he attempted to support ;
but be (Mr. Bmitinck) had never bad the good—or rather
the had—foetus' to hear any arguments so remarkable
and so uncoustitutional as the reasons which the noble lord
had given. The noble lord, iu the first place, seemed to
consider that the house ought not to go to a division, be.
muse the right bon. gentleman the member for Bucks had
declared that he did not intend to oppose the second reading
of the bill. That might be a very good argument for an
boo. member occupying the position of the right hon. gen-
tleman ; but the noble lord seemed to forget that there
were mme hundreds of hon. gentlemen on that side of the
house who had also someting to say on the question ; there.
fore, if the noble lord said that the debate must close, be-
muse the right bon. gentleman had signified his intention of
not opposing the second reading of the bill, that appeared
to him (Mr. Bootjack) to be a very remarkable argument.
What that amounted to was simply that they were to
prejudge the discussion of the house. As be coin not sub-
scribe to that doctrine, and as he was not prepared to re-
linquish the right of discussion, he begged to move that the
house adjourn.
Viscount PALMERSTON was very sorry that he was so
bad an advocate, but he was somewhat consoled by the result
of the division. (Laughter and chews.) If the hon. mem-
ber really must take the sense of the house, he would bow
to the wishes of the majority ; but feeling that they were
not likely to have so good an opportunity again, for it was
not likely the house would ever he more full—(" No,"
and cbeen)—be must resist the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQIIER explained
that the inconvenience to which he had alluded had refer-
ence to the laborious preemies which must be gone through
before the new asseminent could be made, and which would
render it difficult, if the delay were further persisted in, to
levy within the year the whole of the income tax that would
fall due, and that had been reckoned for on the public
service.

peecioded offering airgahio• the mate.(Hese, bear.) He told the ben. learned member that
if be took up the gab** as as adminietrative question—if
be mid there had been a breach of duty on the part of the
oommissionere of lunacy or on the part of **superintendent
of the asylum—then his proper mune would be to put a
question* the vernment. sod be (the right hon. gentleman)
would sad.etska the matter was properly inquired into;
bet if the bee. and learned member took it up as a breach
of girivilege and a question affecting the house, then that
be (Sir G. C. Lewis) bad nothing to do with the matter. and
the comes of the boo. and learned gentleman would
be to adder the Speaker. The boo. and leaned member
staled be eeeadered it to be a question effecting the privi-
limn el the bones, and under thine oirmuustance. he told
him the proper wares was not to address the government.
but the Speaker. (" Year, bear," sad loud cries of
"Divide.")
The SPEAKER mid that in putting the question to the
house he wished to be permitted to say a single
word. (Hear, bear.) It was not at all fee the purpose of
complaining in any way of what had bees mid by the bee.
and learned menthes for Sheffield in regard to coevenatiess
which had taken place between them, hecause he thought
be had not been acidreend in his individuid, but in his offi-
cial rapacity in that house. (Hear, hear.) But he wished
to do an act of justice towards the boa and learned=
man, and to mare the hoses that the bon. sad
member entirely concurred with his—rest wine* ea
=I in the desire to abstain from brisling the modes
is 'the boom, if such security as the hon. member
thought urcessary, and as he (the Speaker) certainly
thought aecomary, with regard to the future, could be
taken. Therefore, in justice to the hoe. and learned mem-
ber be would reed a few hoes addressed to hlinsai=he
e
ken. gentleman (Colonel Clifford). one of theea
of lunacy, who had spoken, to show bow be lel WWI be
obtaining that security for the future. witiedi IMO b feet a
condition for the boo. and learned member abstaining in
bringing the motion before the heuee. 4M right hon. gus.

ii

The house then divided—
Ayes 145
Nose 233-88
Colman! DICKSON ..id if he wished to prolong this debate
it was bemuse he felt that this was a subject on which they
could not too long ("Oh," and laughter.) But he
nue& protest must the diction of the Chancellor of the
Paeliegmer, when he said it was for the convenience of the
state that they should goosed with this bill. There were
points which the right hon. gentleman ought to have oar
Mitered before he introducsed the budget, which he must say
was detrimental to the interests of the country. As an
bleb aseadaw particularly, he thought that the interests of
his rassatry bad not been fairly considered. He moved that
the debate be_ now adjourned
Lard PALMERSTON mid, as those who gave up first in
Wes disausioas were entitled to the greatest consideration,
A• should sot object to the postponement of the debate.
The debate was than adjourned till Thursday nazi.
The house went into examinee.

EDINIMOB ASSESSIIIINTEI BILL.
This bill pined through committee, sad the house re-
waisi