The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-26 00:00:00

fG. FEBRUARY 26, 1850.

Mari dee of his reastituents what he theaglit et du
Isar.) Now, whoa the bill wee agile
is, eh noble lend started up how hiser,
its
sad mid, 8W•11, sow, his Y p meet
gayeties. I sows theught se it beheewle le serer G.; IN
sob now what sy easts Trim_ luppea tit kaiak
about this ea whisb I have hitherto bad no essuseal
auks with rhea. P" Certaialy, sons aid noose be bisp
wade:reed treat tine to Una, but th:r ware mew asks'
to whether the punkas sharaster the sobs kid
his estrum We el weitureity--(grest laueliterres
asbeisat pined Weleptke bai. M.‘ Lei 06104ni-
let sago tonight, sad welt till the noble
d Weetitssals,, is& sets will
tell as whether be is sped lb se a lead ise." (iltter )
AstAbse was, 1W they had set bees& in the
bill peistedligrlte pile Ind might have knowa that the
hews of He base required a bill to Ise beesskt ia is a 'Frit-
hs *ape, sad Mat it was sot Fiats* till Weed been read a
bet thee. WM seeped to the wide pavkless el the mums
whisk had bees latrodated ea the lit at Key, 1848, which
were herr"- betted, known Is Ilkit hew, he did not
Ithhk kos ttttt dYsaatik prepsoups,....hg a set think it a
tpeashei pupils% us eves a gesdpitals_ plygaitioe, to
wk the beast la mini whik their asiiiwalies. (Her.)

bir. OSBORNII mid that os the may elosot of boa. pn.
amen opposite wee to delay mad obateusil Ws measure, if
they delivered themselves now of the swam@ whisk the
noble lewd mid they had prepared ea the rel4est of the
Australia Oeimass Bill, they would he pia as apposite as
the needs mid& had proceeded from them. (Hear.) He
(Mr. Oehiese)tesdered the noble lord (Loed J. Hassell) his
t sad he would sit there to say hour in the morale'
sagest, sad
the prima Impolite', to show the people of Ins-
tead who weretharreal friends, andthat he was nos prepared
to bead them aver to the tender mercies of a haughty, sod,
he would aide loselent faction. ("Cheers, and " Oh, oh.")
Ile. NHWDEOATE mid that the Health of Towne Bill,
width boa bass originally Introduced into that house, had
been wlehikeera before a similar opposition to the present,
sad en ainesied and improved measure adopted is its stead.
Mr. =OUT said he was not one of those who ward's-
posed to oemplain of a fair and legitimate exercise of the
forms of the house. He had no objection to that which
the istejoeity sometimes considered a factious opposition. He
had been in minoeities which bad divided several times when
those who were °Treed to him accused him of high crimes
and misdemeanours. But it appeared to him that a minority
should at least have **mottling like a fair ease. (Hoar, hear.)
He had listened with attention to the arguments In favour
of the arms which hon. gentlemen opposite pursued. That
which had just been put forward by the noble lord the mem-
ber for Tyrone had been meet completely disposed of by the
noble lord at the head of the government. It wee
the flea time he had ever heard that the
whole proceedings of that house were to be put in abey-
ance because some honourable gentlemen had not taken
care to consult their constituents. It bad been re-
ported that honourable gentlemen opposite had • meet-
ing to day on this question—(hear, hear)—and it was
rumoured en his side ot the house, that besides coming to •
resolution to oppose the measure, they had dined before they
came to the house, in order that they might have an given-
t:refilvwe ruttebta
twthoot
take
ep no
plod.
knowledge rire°; hear,4opposition`l!?.o g
ter.) From what he knew, confirmed as it was
by the discussion which had taken place, the
, conclusion to which he came woe this, that hon. gentle-
men opposite believed there was something in this bill very
gout adverse to the policy which they endeavoured to
tie7t• parliament to adopt with regard to Ireland—
eari—that they were afraid to give to any porti.n
of the inhabitants of that country that political influence to
which, by the union, by the constitution so much hoar tad
of by non. gentlemen opposite, by every right which soy
subject of this realm could claim, they were fairly entitled.
His conviction, therefore, was, that the proceedings of that
evening were not dictated by any other reason than
the desire of keeping the people of Ireland in the power of
the minority, and ruling her as the " paltry remnant of au
expiring faction," as Lard Stanley once galled you
Throughout Great Britain such a course of policy would
receive no sanction, and he believed the noble lord could do
Berthing more likely to strengthen his position throughout
the three kingdoms than by a manful determination that,
whatever became of the duration of parliament, and even of
his cabinet, this measure, which he admitted did not go far
enough for him, should pus through parliament in the pre-
ant session. (Hear, bear.) He therefore hoped the noble
lord would stand by his measure, which was one of great
importance to the country and to the character of the 'dna•
nistration over which he presided. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. MANNBRS:saidthatitwas an unusual and unjust
proceeding to press this measure that night instead of the
Ametralisn Colonies Bill, as had been the original intention
of the government. lie repudiated with scorn and con-
tempt every accusation that this was an underhand attempt
to get rid of the bill altogether.
The committee then divided, when there appeared:

For the motion
Against it 145-76

Mr. GROGAN said the gentlemen on his side of the
house required more time to deliberate on the important
measure then under discassion than from Friday night to
the following Monday night. He did not want to waste
the time of the house. (Laughter.) However, having
entered on the course which hon. gentlemen on his side of
the house thought fit to adopt, he would persevere—(ob, oh)
—and move that the chairman do now report progress.
Mr. NAPIER said before the house divided he wished to
make • few observations, which might have the effect of
loving much valuable time. (Hear, hear.) As far as he
(Mr. Napier) was concerned, it would be much more cones-
picot, and consequectly preferable, to go on with the bill
that night than ten days or a fortnight hence, because pro-
fessionally be was acquainted with all the provisions or the
bill. But he certainly thought that in the cue of Irish
county members, who declared the measure came on them
by surprise, and that they consequently required time to'
make themselves acquainted with its details, &postponement
might be acceded to. (No, no.) He assured the house he
was far trim tittering the present bill anything like a factious
opposition ; yet he thought he would be acting an unworthy
part did be express his disapproval of the means adopted by
these hon. geoletnen—mesns which the forms of the house
sanctioned—in order to secure time for delibera.ion. (Hear,
hear) He suggested that parts of the bill might be gone
into that evening in reference to which there was no division
of opinion ; and that the ocher parts, on which hon. mem-
bers for Irish counties might wish to confer with their
instituents should be postponed to • future night.
(Hear, hear.) The matter was one of serious, of tits'
importance ; and thereon he entreated the noble lord at
the head of the government to adopt his suggestion, and
that the house would discuss with temper and patience the
various details of the bill. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—The hon. and learned gentleman
Las spoken so fairly and advanced his proposition in so
temperate • tone, that I cannot hesitate in giving bim
an equally temperate and full reply, which certainly the im-
portance of the question demands. (Hear, hear.) The
hon. gentleman had suggested a middle course, namely, that
portions of the bill be considered now, and that portions
which the county members declare they do not understand
should be postponed. Now that on the face of it appears a
fair proposition. (Hear, hear.) I must say there us parts
of the bill which appear to be such as can be taken now,
and ought to be taken now. (Hear, hear.) I own, how-
ever, it appears to me that the question on which the hon.
and pureed gentleman has mad. up his mind—as well as
other hon. gentlemen—not to consider, namely, the franchise
part of the bill, is a question that does not aced postpone-
ment. (Hear, hear.) As I have more than once said since the
bill was tail before the house the question has been two
years before the people of Ireland. and consequently csrnot
he new or strange to them. (Hear, hear.) It strikes me
that some of the gentlemen who spoke on the question on
Friday night were mistaken when they said that " • 251.
franchise would be only half the qualifying amount in Eng-
land." (Hear, hear.) The gentlemen surely must have
Vryotten that there exists in England the 40s. franchise,
which has long bean abolished In Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
Let us, therefore, have these matters fully cleared up, and it
gentlemen wish for a 201. or 251. franchise, let them move it
as an amendment to the bill, and that there be • tenure for
life or eofjoint tenure of 81. added thereto.
Mr. F. MACKENZIE concurred in every reason given
by hon. gentlemen on Hs aide of the house. He thought
the house should then be aware, from the reply of the noble
lord to the temperate and moderate reqs.est of the hon.
member for the university of Dublin—(laughter)—that they
were to expect no concession whatever. (lieu, bear.)
After a few words from Mr. BADLIIIS,
Colonel CHATTERTON said that his ece,stituents had
s. arrived at • proper understanding of the measure.

Mr. C. ANSTEY would not belie'e such an insinuation
rainst the into Rents of the good citizens of Cork.
Captain HARRIS supported tho 'notion for delay.
Mr. FAGAN gave some personal explanations to Colonel

Lord C. HAMILTON and Mr. NMWDIGATM spoke is favour
of delay, amidst many signs of impatience front the 16653 119—ou:e.
The house then divided, when there were—
For the notion Against it
Mr ADDERLEY said he felt that he had reason to com-
plain that the colonial measure bad been postponed for the
a:seusaion of a bill of which scarcely any notice had been
given. The reason assigned for postponing this colonial bill
was that it was desirable to give those who were ins-rested
in it an opportunity of eapre sting their opinions upon it.
For a ',tender reason the Hitachi*, bill should be post-
posed. With ibis feeling, he should moss that Mr. Benet
ae lure the chair.
Cul. S I ET HORP said the government could only be brought
toe proper sense of their duty by hon. members en that (the op •
positioa) aide availing themselves of the forms of the house.
Fed, clothed, end pampered by the people, those in power
required such a lemon.
Mr. REYNOLDS said he had been accustoned to regard
the hon. membe for North Staffordshire as the represents.
tire of Australia; but his conduct in reference to Ireland
would not hear a comparison with his conduct with regard
to Australia. He (Mr. Reynolds) bad hop that he might
hereafter claim him as a repealer of the union. He bail now
to regret that he did not appear to be so mercifully dis-
tredtoe ards the people of Ireland as towards the
hitanta of Austr lia.
Lord C. HAMILTON hoped it would be understood in I i e-
land that there were members of that house who would
not allow m. mum to be hurried forward in a manner which,
it not unoonathutioaal was *snakily unprecedented. and
who demanded for Del ind the same calm deliberation as
was exercised on behalf of other portions of the kiogdont.
dHe.r, hear.; The bWs of the bill was a maehi..ery which
id sot really exist, namely, that of • uniform rating.
Mr. DISRAELI said it would no doubt be very con-
venient if boa. gentlemen opposite would produce so irs-

mailas sunlit ita7 - ematry that Mr Menstra adulates wen
=Wm 10 devotion to the iaterests of Inland. But if
ea astride of the bean should lose the an.
Basin sad Odle Irish people by ankle, an effort
to have ea nadeeted with the non courtesy sad
the tame dames= es legit*, the•y must be gestate to mat
that eslanity. (Hear, (tear.) By amnia km. patlemps
opposite es Isereweed *mobile was regarded as a universal
mason. It adglit be so ; but without himself *spraying
any °plaits es the immure before then, he mast say that
even U it wen as Imp and liberal a neesure, it
.WM 'err ptobable that "„z:lr rho had introduced
It would luta their own fingers with the in.
nation. (" Hoer, hoer," sad laughter.) deaerally
@lila, he had found that the non the trembles was
es the greater was the umber of nebulous of those
who be.. most eulogistic of the franchise. (Laughter.)
He had not the slightest doubt that, whether the experiment
of
ezteasim were tried In England or in Ireland, than geli-
dness who were the loudest.inoutleed arenrs in favour of

seaseres of a revolatiowary obaractsr, would be absent from
thS sewlposestltzted
.zerl!aptsut. (Lug/hear.). New,
time wea owe Mal ut soasetwoe with
lbw bill. It wiis, what's,: the goveramsat had or had aot
solid iageattously towards the how? (Hear, hear.)
No one doubted that the samara was one of

impostuee Tr it —wen not 00 it ought
not to re bee's introduced. Gee of the argu-
ments used is favour of proceeding was that the measure
was act new, but was introduced by Lord Nemeth Attain
yaws ago. Now, he (Mr. Disraeli) saterlained great
Impost, and eyes regard, far the Berl of Cesileis; but stiU
he weld ace admit that the fast alleged esnelliestled a reason
this MIMI* should be inmeadiceely ammelesed by
amoaß (Hear, hear.) Five ram ege his lenciskip pro-
posed that 6,000,00 W. should be applied to the asestraction
of Irish eaUwa”. If he (Mr. Disraeli) 111100 10 pro-
=*Aar great on the following day would
ble members support hiss t (Laughter.) The ar.
guinea% !needed ea the fact that the measure was not
a new ass hod as eireagth whatever. The subject was
one requiring same mare deliberation—it was nothing ler
than a bill istreeemsereetieg the elestive leasable@ in Ireland,
and had only boss reed a mend time on Friday. There
ourbt to have bees so mistake ea the subject. It ought to
bays been well heralded and made known that all might
have had a fair opportunity and ample time to examine it.
That was the vindication of his (Mr. Disraeli's) party for
the course they were now pursuing, and which, notwith-
standing the petty taunts he had heard that evening, he
would say they were punning sea matter of duty. (Laughter
and ahem.) He could only say that nothing should deter
them Iron persevering, for h• believed that in the long run
men of common sense and men of business would be of