The Express.
London, England, 1868-01-23 00:00:00

THE PERLIN ARRESTS AT DEPTFORD.

Yesterday afternoon, James Richardson, 2,
Quessoelrest, Deptford. M'Carthy, 36, Princes-
meek sad Maniacs Lyte ICC, New.
street, Esti'were placed before Mr. Mande, at the
GTIPIMWi poliseetoon,_ charged with nessou-felony.
Mr. Superintendent Griffin watched the proceedings on
behalf of the pellets. Father Glenne end another Boman
catholic priest were prusont. Mr. Pulling, of Deptford,
defended ll'Carthy.
The ~
chargedving Men plena in the doek. they wen
formally with attempting to itieW- the
Fenian oath to a young man named James Handal, an
American, with the view of inducing him to commit
tna
James Handal was the first witness examined.
Lytellton said be wished to address the court, and
upon being told that it would be irregular, be became very
violent, and said, " I claim the protection of an English-
man." He then proceeded to cronexamine the witness,
who said—Our oonvereatiort was first of all upon the
weather. Yon introduced Fenianism first. I did not
mention James Stephen's Wane to you. I did not ask
you your opinion of James Stephens. I did not represent
myoelf as a Fenian. I said I was an assistant in • draper's
shop. I did not say I was • merchant tailor. I said 1
had been in • merchant tailor's shop in Cleveland. I
told you that I had • disabled arm, and that I had got it
nicely bandaged. I told you I tome from Ohio. I never
said I attended • ummirter Fames meeting in Cleveland,
and that the proceeds were sent to James Stephens in
New York. I did not swear that I never said
I would enter into • conspiracy having for its
object the substitution of a republican for • monarchical
government. You told me that you had been in America,
and that you expected to go out soon again. I did say that
I should like your company to America. I tendered you
my left band to shake hands when we parted after our first
meeting. When we next met I asked you to have half •
pint of beer.
Prierser—Did I wept it'—Witness—Yea.
Prisoner—lndeed I did, and would again. (laughter.)
Did you oak roe if I would have it cold or warm'—Wit-
ness—Yes.
Prisoner—Very good. What did I say'—Yon said you
would like it cold.
Prisoner—Just so. Just so. Did you not swear by the
Inunamilatellother of Cod that you wouldtake the Fenian
oath'—Witness—No, for I don't think that on that even-
ing our conversation was upon Fenianism.
Prisoner—Where did we meet on the third occasion'—
Witness—ln the High-street, and we went into a public-
house.

_ _ear—Had we not a pint of beer at your expense?
Witness—Yes.
Prisoner—Did you send a " bobby " on that night to look
at me ?—Witnees—l did not.
Prisoner—Do you recollect any one coming in?—Witness
—I do.
Prisoner—Did you not propose that I ihould leave after
the polioe left?— Witness-1 really did not.
Prisoner—Did you not produce a piece of glass that you
said yon got from the House of Detention, and that was
need in one of the cell windows ?—Witness—l did, and
have got it now in my pocket.
Prisoner--Did you not give me a piece of it?—Witness
—I did, at your request.
Prisoner—What was your motive in giving it me?—
Witness--Why, you asked for it.
Prisoner—With what object did you say you were going
to take it across the Atlantic?—Witaam—l said I should
take it as a curiosity.
Prisoner—Dear, dear, what an antiquary. Did you not
ask me to meet you between half-past ten and eleven
o'clock last Saturday?—Witness--I did not. I told you I
was going up to London for my ticket to America. which I
did, and you said, I will go with you if you will meet me
here. I did not meet you.
Prinoner—Up to that time, did I give any expression of
my internal feelings that led you to believe that I was •
Fenian?—Witness—No, except that you bad been in
trouble through opening your mouth.
Cram-examination continued—On the Saturday, the man
who is not present, Daniel O'Leary, was drinking in the
King William. I did not ask Lytellton to drink. He asked
me to drink with him. When the pot was out the man
not present asked me to fill it again. I filled the pot and
then refused to drink. I had two-penny worth of gin and
water, and Lytellton drank of it. I did not give any
money to the bricklayers' labourers. Daniel O'Leary
asked me if I would lend him 6d. I lent it him. I did
say on the Saturday night that I should not be without a
sovereign on the Sunday. I did not take that particular
notice whether you had any money or not. I did not see you
spend any money. You said you wished you were going with
me. I spent is. al. in beer with you on the Sunday, and I lent
O'Leary tid., 2s. being all the money I had with me. It was
believed that I was a detective, and on Sunday you said you
believed I was a detective, and before you administered
the oath you left the compartment of the bar in which
we were, and went round to the centre one, and de-
nounced me as a detective. M'Carthy said, " Anyone
could see he's not a detective," and banded me his glass
to drink, saying, " Drink, young man." In the same corn-
putment 'was were James Richardson and Daniel O'Leary.
You went with me and the others into the parlour. I will
swear that I did not say I was a Yankee Fenian agent.
You administered the oath to O'Leary, and then admi-
nistered it to me.
Prisoner (emphaticall))—Now, be careful, bow many
were in the room when the oath was administered ?—You
passed the book to O'Leary, read the oath, and then read
it to me.
Prisoner—Who were in the room
Witness—Richardson, O'Leary, Lytellton,M'Carthy and
his brother, and myself.
Prisoner—You must have an extraordinary memory.
Tell me how did you manage to retain the oath?—Witness
—I am not deficient of memory.
Prisoner—l should like to teat you upon your memory.
Will you repeat two lines after me ?—Witness—l MU not
bound to do that, am I, sir ? Ito the magistrate). You are
the very impersonation of the arch fiend.
The Magistrate—You have no right to talk like that.
Prisoner-1 hare a right, sir, to show the witness in his

true character.
The Magistrate—No, you have not.
Cross-exambuition continued—l uever said I would intro-
duce you to soma Irish patriots in the town. I reported
you as a Fenian at the police-station.
Prisoner—When did I make that overt act ?—Witnees:
1 I reported you because you were in trouble.
Prisoner—Well, I might have been in a state of destitu-

tion.
Witnesa—No, it was not that. You said I ought to
keep my mouth shut, because you had got into trouble for
opening yours.
Prisoner—Are you, then, to interpret my trouble in
your way, and then swear my life away? Did the police-
men tell you to administer the Fenian oath to me
Witness—l have not spoken to a policeman on the sub-
Jeß3l-
The Primmer (very excitedly) here said that he would
conclude by remarking that this charge against him wee not
paralelied in English record. He knew that the Habeas
Corpus was suspended for Irishmen' and that they must
abide by it. He wished to God he were a Chinese or a
Mandarin rather than a British subject.
The Magistrate—You really must not go on like that.
You seem a very intelligent man, and you must know that
what ou ars saying is irregular. lime you any more
questions to put to the witness?
Prisoner—l have, your
Fad worship. (To the witnem)—Did
I ever suggest the topic ol aatesn ?
Witness—You did always
Crow-examined by the primmer Richardson—You did
not speak to me upon Fenianism at all. I did not notice
who was the first man to go into the private room. I don't
know who knocked at the door to get it opened. I don't
know who was the first to leave the room after the oath
was administered. I asked you if you were a special con-
stable, and you said " Yee.', You took off your coat and
helped to put the others out when they struck at me ;
but I can't swear whether you said you would give me
your assistanos.
Mr. Polling here put in a print, entitled " The Pocket
Manual, or the Guide to Salvation," by she Most Rev.
John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York, basing the
following Inscription in smiting, ••Rev. T. W. Allen,
Denim kr earthy, Halifax, North America, July the 161 h,
1862," and asked the witness if that was not the boot

Weed:
Witawo—Ne, certainly not. It was the book (Testa-
ment) produced by loapector
ere
The examination was h adjourned till Friday
morning.

Tan Nsw Law COURTS.—It is understood that
by the re-assemblhig of parliament next month, the course
the government intend to take with regard to the plans
for the new law courts will be determined upon and made
known to the The judges have added to their
Se
number Mr. Penman and Mr. Shaw, and those
gentlemen eel the plans furnished by Mr. Harty and
Mr. Street. The judges then requested Mr. Pownell and
Yr. Shaw to dead* upon a plan, and they adhered to their
former report, and recommended that the Atte:sop
General, who bad the power under the first act, should be
the arbitrator on the matter.
biLiwovoie Youngs' INSTITUT& —A lecture on
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the Bev. Allan Our to the members and friends et the
Shove institute ea Tuesday evening. The chair was ably
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after the lessen gave some excellent advice to the audience
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