The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-04 00:00:00

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f~aat that was net all. fish a diens week involve a
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penis@ awkilig in offset that thirteen of their le
ogessidl liginates were heretics. (Great laughter.)
le WMg ties) There were, no doubt, great diffleidlies
, nibs OM; hue is Mosinee there was another way by whisk
;IMF tatlgtt kerafto.44 Be bogged to suns his misers sore
row for the present date of things, as a sincere member of that
Soar& which be believed to be the most pious, the most
beetled, and the mast charitable and Senn of ottristian
eemannithe. Other churches might be mere pions, or mom
binned, bat ha believed that nos i he the Aniline church
teembined within ban/ so much piety, so mush learning, so
such christian charity, and so mush toleration. That that
Aura might rise up with renewed lustre and strength from
in temporary obsenration, wee the prayer is which he most
ardently and siseerely joined the right my. prelate who bad
letroduoid this bill to their lordships,. (Clatters.)
The BISHOP of BT. DAVID'S said that he bad ori-
ginally hoped to be able to give his support to the bill ; but
deer mature sonsideration he had bees obliged to abandon
dot Ise. Ile looked upon this bill es a Resins intended to
nest the eau of the nest ernitenient, and therefore they
Send oensider in how far it was calculated to meet the
mdgessies of that nos. If it was a meagre intended to re-
store peace and harmony la the church, be wished to know
what party it was calculated to ocineiliate. They knew that
Sere was a large and powerful party in the church who,
although they differed from certain doctrinal opinions, sup.
posed to have been of by the runt judgment, yet
secsulered thou opinions as substantially helmets to the
etterch, and they had already expressed their dimatialection
with the bill. Those who entirely dissented bad also ex-
pressed their dissent, nor would it shore up the thin parti-
tion which divided them from another commitais. Tiose

who approved ol it were only those who biked upon it
as simply • stepping-stone which might advent* the cause
of something beyond. It would open a new arena for theo-
logical c ,ntruversy, and the effect must be to invite new
combatants. He believed in the new smart of appeal there
would be fined men of great impartiality, but its snosess
would not rest with them, bet with a few tinqsiet
who would rush into the arena, and use the instraniel.t
placed in their hands for the purpose of widening that breach
in the church which their lerdships must all deplore. If he
thourbt it bad been possible to introdueesucb amendments in
the bill oohed been suggested by the noble and learnt :I kid
who had last addressed the house, he night support it, but he
coal t not pin his faith even on the ability of the noble ono
learned lord to execute what he had sug Jested.
He shoslii not like to divide azainst a mea-
sure supported by az many of his right reverted
brethren, and he might even be disposed to share with them
the reepondbility of a measure which he thought neverthe-
lees would be produe ire of evil rather than good.

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Lord REDESDALE was sorry to have heard the speech
of the rich; rev. prelates. It wee impossible that mitten In
the char h could remain long as they were. He knew no
parties In the church, and thought they ought to legislate
for the cline& as " the church," being board by no canons
and liturcies. He believed there was no doubt as to what
were the doctrines of the church ; and it was not deckled
that Mr. Gorham was right in hie views by the judicial com-
mittee. Tar grant liberty to the clergy was en injury to
the laity. It Mr. 03rheen was permitted to hold the opinions
which he had avowed, preens who resided in his parish
must submit to his teaching. A right rev. predate who had
just come into the house ( the Bishop of Worcester). uspended
a buret* who had declared doctrines of • Roman Catholic
charaver. lie was right in doinc so, and so he believed was
the right rev, prelate who had refused to induct Mr.
(I wham, because he denied one of the most fundamental
doctrines of the church. The bill before the house was the
only one he could accept as • church tribunal.

Lord CAMPBELL did net consider the subject under
discussion to be a party question, but a great constitu ional
one, and be should have been end if he could have sup-
ported the hilt before the house. H. bad great ?septet for
the right rev. prelate who had introduced it, and there was
no more hooters friend to the church than himsel', for
it had conferred the greatest biasing' on this country.
It appear. d to him, however, that the bill was unconstitu-
tional, awl calculated to bring about that disruption of the
churen which it was so desirable to avoid. The objecti-ne to
the judicial committee arose from their funeti3llll not being
sufficiently understood. It was not their duty to lay down
can ins, but to explain documents, and in his opinion to con-
strue the articles, the liturgy, and formula of the church ol
England, tne judicial committee was better fitted than the
proposed tribunal ol Maim (Hear, hear.) It was
objected th ,t this was • lay tribunal; it was no more so
than the Curt of Arches, or the Court of the Chancellor of
the Bishop of Durham ; laymen were called in in those
court, to assist ecclesiastics. His learned friend, Dr.
Lushington, represented the Archbishop of C bury,
and Sir Herbert J Fust the Bishop of Durham.
It appeared to him that offence had been most unneeedaorily
Laken at this lay tribunal in eontrddistinctioe to the interior
courts from which the appeal had been made—forgetting
that those inferior courts were c oiduered by lay persons.
The bill was really such • mockery that it would be the
more respectful course towards the reverend bench opposite re
mine that it be read that day siz months. If the 27
bishops were required by the bill to be unanimous it would
not be so objectionable. But not so. The majority was to
decide on all occasions, and the names of the dissenting
bishops would be recorded as the abettors of heresy.
The Bis..op of LONDON explained.
L.ird LY [TEL lON fclt it hie duty as a latmaa to sup-
port the bill. He thought it was necessary to provide by a
more distinct enactment against the consequences of • di
parture from the settlement of the reformation. lie sup-
ported this bill rho because he wished to stop the war of
parties, to prevent further schism in the church, and to close
up, not widen, the breach which now unhappily existed.
The Earl of CHICHESTER opposed the bill, not be-
cause he was a supporter of the government, but on the
principle that he thought it a direct violation of the
supremacy of the crown, and calculated to introduce great
changes, not merely into the constitution of the country, but
what he valued more, the constitution of the church itself.
Lord STANLEY said he should not enter at any length
upon the subject under discussion, but he could
not resist the opportunity to express his regret that
the noble marquis abound have thought it necessary to plain
his veto and that of the government upon the introduction of
any measure of any description or oharaster intending to
abate that which was acknowledged to be a great existing
evil at this moment. The noble marquis admitted its existence,
but seemed to think its extent was magnified. The evil
was, that the church of England was placed in a
more disadvantageous position than any other reli-
gious body upon the face of the earth— that
she had no authoritative plan of declaring through her
manned head what were her doctrines, In case disputes
arose. He recognised the difficulty of summoning con-
vocation but he could met see, in consequence of
that impossibility, why it was right to depnve the
clergy of the means of setting forth the doctrine
of their church, nor could be think that the church ought
therefore to rest contented with a state of things which even
the noble marquis himself had admitted was not satiaidetonc.
It was admitted that the judicial committee of the privy I
council mght lave to decide on matters affecting the doctrine
of the ehdrch of England, although some of the members of
that council might happen to be members of other church. a.
The noble marquis had • seemed a very high tone, and had
gone solar as to say that the bill was unconstitutional, and that
it was contrary to the constitution of the country.
But, it ought to be recollected that both the prerogative and
enpremacy of the crown were already bound by the deeisioes
of the Courts of Appeal. And how wen these courts con-
stituted? They were the creatures of perUement. Tee
judicial committee of privy canal was as much • c•eature
of parliament as any other court. He did not see, therefore,
that the supremacy of the crown was at all affected by the
present measure. (Hear.) He did not sympathies with those
men, who, if they found the church too much hampered in
her connexion with the state, were ready and prepared on
that account to separate themselves from her communion,
although they held her fundamental doctrines. Yet, he
believed that sash • feeling largely extended; and U this bill
were rej• end on the second reading, and if a determination
were thus evinced that no remedy would be
applied, then he feared that their lordships
would run the risk of separating from the communion
of the church, so fettered by the state, a number of her ablest
men. (Hear.) He belonged to no party in the church.
He was glad that some doctrinal points had, as be thought
wisely, been left undefined by oar &neaten, in order that
tsisieten might net be excluded on the one side or the
other ; but than the church should have the power,
through her authorised representatives with the
writings of the fathers of tits chu;ssk In their
hands, of declaring that such was now and ever had
been the doctrine or teaching of the establishment; or on the
other hand, if it WON II question upon which many sincere
men had differed, and on which the church allowed a lati-
tude, let it be so declared. (Hear.) It had been said that
there was danger of the present bill multiplying dissensions
is the church. Of this he was quite certain, that it
would he • matter of satisfaction to the churchmen of Vila
country if they knew that, upon any question raised, they
would have en opportunity of having fur their guidance, as
dutiful members and eons of the church, the authuritistioe
declaration of their spiritual heads. It was for these reasons
that be should not say "no " to the second reeding of the
bill, though be did not wander it perfect in all its detail.,
After a few weeds of explanation from Lord Baovaware,