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London, England, 1850-06-20 00:00:00

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the:ground work of the ening singe is Seonad. By the
HOUSE OF COHHONS.—WittinneDeN, JURIt 19. law es it stood at preen, non wad
dew alealithed.ill afes7
The Shirai took tee chair shortly after twelve o'clock parish, built sad Inaintaised by a tax es the_ , et:
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
PUBLIC BUSINESS. of this tea no were paid the tenure and the
also die apnea at buileing asill repine( thanes 'rend
Jura BiLe.—By Sir R INGLIS, antral petition from pine. of
ttivionliotiptbs. (Hear, hear. Jetrets zistilkinlsoklut
=is Surrey • Mr. P. EGERTON, from a plea IR the eaten _
ire; Mr. STAFFORD, from • place is Norteampteo- the pampa won meoliteded from saleneniej7iweesdielheateinihy
; Mr. CHRISTOPHER, from plan in Lincoln:Mire; the people and defraying the expense of public
et beteg_ earnd worship by
Mr. T. EGERTON, from Cheshire; Mr. FLOYER, from means of a tax int land, was
Dona, agent the admission of Jews to porliawat. effect. (Hew, bar.) _ The at ;rat enredto
bay.
aitothooto bet
Se os BANILS.—By Mr. CHRIS IOPHSR, from a so mantial a part of the territorial system
attached to evedine, that they bunt and endowed
plan igaill.Liaaaraaldra' "all" "all" alaasn
in the Savior
schools Ist no leg ten 600 patine within Ike last tens or
Bank
TzsANT nion7.—By B. ROCHE, frees tit* fa- lOW year. (Hear.) Thy cesiidered it essential that all
habitants of the beanie, of 'ewe,* Kenn, and nervy- eatund with the education of the people should patrosise
earthy, praying for a bill to alter the relations between noola, deeming oduestion to be the handmaid of religion ;
Madlords and tenants in Ireland, an to allow compessatios aad to that feeling Scathed owed the position see held
of
panic the meet moral, religions and educated one
be improvements. s
Minn.—By Mr. HEADLAM, from Newomtle, palls, people la any lodes. (Hear, hear.) Neverthelsm, hiss
flm the appointinent of inspectors of mines admitted that en noel was set sit fldeYst
DEFEAT OF THE MINISTRY IN THE HOUSE OF each parish, and that the parochial .pate
isetiamid
LORDS. never be applied to the remote
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that he would annoy Highlands or is the crowded cities. By an einest ef the
(this day) ask a question of the noble lord valuating the populatio• ea taken is 1841, he found that the total umber
which the entwine intended to pursue after the of children in Scotland between the ages of five and fifteen
at of last Monday. He hoped the house would not be —fest the period at which education was generally imparted
unwilling that they should take into consideration the elite --setoentsd to 600,001 But thin the evidence of the won.
of
the country on that occasion, notwithstanding that the tient cocandaioners went to show that in the various
brass of the house might not permit them to do so without schools which they had ex %mined, instead of being any.
its previous consent. thing like 16 years of age, fourfitthe of them were under
Lord J. RUSSELL—May I ask the hon. and learned 10 years, and those of 12 year. did not amount to more then
gentleman to repeat the quistion he means to ask ? one-sixth. (Hear, hear.) The cause was easily explained,
Mr. ROEBUCK—Tee questioa I mean to ask is what because in the manufacturing and mining districts children
eons the government means to pursue after the event of of 12 and 13 years were, by their industry, • soars of
Monday night ? profit to their parents, who preferred to have them employed
SCHOOL ESTABLISHMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL et rennerailve wages to going to school, whin was
Lord MELOUND, is rising to as in the sand reeding of morn important to thou than amusing education. (Hear,
this bill, said he regretted that the subject had not been hear.) That was an evil not to be remedied by
taken up by some member of more experieuce thee Montle the erection of new noels, but by exalting the
His object was to endeavour to do something to fen the meal and Opted 'addition of the parted than
character, moral, social, and political, of the people of Scot- selves, 'and 'bowleg thou the gnat and =paten be-
land ; because he supposed all would agree that the effect of a edits to be derived frees 'dentin. (Hear, hear.) With
sound system of education would be to increase tee warm of regard to the sambas in Scotland not able to read or writs,
the people. morally, socially, and politically. Hay doubt ex it would be necessary, before angering the country for that
fated as to the truth of that proposition, he would refer to the deficiency on the part of its inhabitants, to show how many
experience of America for its confirmation, when the spread of teem were native to the antry. (Hoar, hear.) He
of education in the northern states of the aeon had been believed if the statistics of the large tows. sad cake were
followed by the best molts. (Hear, hoar.) He hoped the closely investigated, painterly those of Olasgow, it weald
ban would pardon him it he referred back to the nein of be found that • large number of that deadest class had n-
th') present system of educed= in Scotland. The origin of migrated to Scotian at so remote period; sad atamquintly
the parochial system in that country was connected with the the system of *doings is that candy was not chargeable
reformation In the year 1694 an act was passed in Scotland with their ignorance ea regardtd reading and writing.
obliging all penes to send their eldest eons to school, sad (Hear, Mar.) Whoa the hoe. ameba for Oldham (Mr.
schools were established in all the principal towns. Those W. J. Fox) called nastier le the necessity of levying:la:
who promoted the reformation in &edited were guided by and making the provides of odecation MIS
anon general principles in applyieg the revenue which of the vaned failure of thavolantarysysesent"r
erfaiprebehly
had been taken from the Roman catholic churn. right in haying dons so. Bet me complaint en ladllaa
Those revenges were devoted to the payment of of the voluntary system san tbe charged agent Sealed,
the clergy._ to the support of the poor. and to as evidenced by the innetios of 600 schools within five yen,
the tetaWisksiest of schools and universities. By which evinced no want of zeal on the put of the free nun
an set of 1603, the bishop acquired power to plant is the cause of education. (Hear, hear.) Indeed be might
nods with the ensest of the button. At that time there say the established church had :no done its duty. (Hear,
was a direct compulsory provision for notation. By an at hear.) In addition to the parochial schools large rime were
of 1C96, whin was in operation until 1303, it was made int- voluntarily contributed by the General Assembly for the
penal' oa the people to establish • school, with the advice papas of building and endowing schools in remote and
id the snider. By the act of leeki, the salary of snail- thinly inhabited districts. Is 1842 the number of pupils at.
matters was ineramel, and • formula set up which made it tending each neat was, on an amen, about 70 ; whilst in
impo able for dissenters to act as sehoolmasten I. the parish 1348 they numbered upwards of 80 is each school. The
schools. The constituency also was by that set considerably ragged schools (as we understood the hon. baronet) had also
restricted. A great many faults had been committed ands worked much benefit in bringing up these children ann.
that act ; but it was difficult to make the necessary don- doned to the neglect of the world, and imparting to them as
tin on account of religious disputes. If it had not been elementary and industrial education as well as providing them
for that obstacle, parish noels in Scotland would have been with food and clothing—in fact the nook had realised all
is a much better position He would give some details as to the objects expected by their philanthropic founder,. (Hear.)
the state of educatios in Sootland, which, though not so low Although he (Sir G. Clerk) was in favour of extending the
se in England, was far from ben what it should be. educational principle in Scotland, yet he did not find the
Fro. the last prisons report, he found that eat of 1,600 condition of things there to be such as to warrant hint in
prienn, sal, one is three amid read, on is shines gelling for the Mullein of • system which had prevailed for
would write well, and ono in fifteen only knew something centuries, end to which system Scotland was indebted for
more than men reading and writia . Oat of 20,000 the exalted position she held amongst nations. (Hear, hear.)
primers committed from the beginning of 1847, 4.742 The noble lord had adverted to the very inadequate salaries
could net nod, 10,617 could not win, 1,ff23 covld only paid to the tauten of schools under the present spent.
sign their sasses, and °sly 284 had learned something Now, though he (sir G. Clerk) thought the people of Scot-
more than roast and wellies. As to the effect of education laud would not object to see these salaries increased, yet, in
in Elieburgle, be might means that while the number of his opinion, the masters should be kept more or lam depot.
tivecile coinitmente is that city, 1647 was 269; in 15 19 dent on the emoluments they derived from toes. schools, and
It was only 166. But with all great institution which not be isduced to become negligent by • state
,salary. (Hear,
that city mend, at least 90 per not, of the children there hear.) The question was, did the ideation". wants of See:-
were unseated. The number of parish schools attached to Mod benme such as to require so sweeping a change as that
the established church of Scotland was 833, with 84 scholars reeemmened ey the noble lord ? (Hear, bear.) It was
on an average, giving a total of 74,000;; there were also 200 admitted that the climate's felt no practical grievance
supplemental schools, with 16,800 scholars, and 126 mineral in sending their children to schools patrosised by the
schools, with 1,500 children, giving • total cent of 106,000 establishment ; and the only grievances complained of by
children educated by the established church. The free them, wending to the evidence of the Rev. Dr. Taylor,
church also educated 63,000 children, and 130,000 were were two in number, namely, that the masters were selected
educated by non•parochial schools, giving &total of 330,000 from the established church, and that the schools were also
children educated in Scotland; leaving about 180,000 quite placed under the control of that church. (Hear, hear.)
uneducated. Scotland was tan much ler than it used to Tin noble lord proposed to establish • board rat one paid
be for the education of the poor. In the fourteen counties commissioner, on paid secretary, and four or five sz-olfici
south of the Forth and the Clyde, then was • pipets. members to manage and control the system of *dunes in
.ton of 1,288,000, out of which 273,000 ware • Scotland. But the house most be aware that in all came of
rural population, line in 249 parishes, which, taking a similar nature the duties almost invariably devolved on the
the taxation of each parish at 401, would gin 9,600/. to eds. salaried offidals ; aid he might then say, whatever amount
eats 43,500 children. He would now refer to the manner in of support :he proposition of the noble lard might meet with
which setwolusasten were treated in Scotland, and an this In that louse, there was but one feeling in Scotland respect-
respect there was a gnat difference between modern and an- ing the system, and that was one of opposition. (Hear,
tient days. la ferns days they had records of schoolmasters hear.) No dissenter objected to send his child to
being paid from 9L to 121., while the principal of the never- school in Scotland by reason of the religious
city received only lb& per annum, and • minister of • chinch education imparted there ; and, such being the
received sometimes only 9i. Now.aol?s, while the nun feeling of liberality amongst them, he thought
of otben connected with the church ha increased so greatly, a very strong ease should be made oat by the supporters of
echsolearers were even wens paid. They had it is evilence the noble lord's proposition, to induce the people ef that
before the Lords' committee that schoolmasters in the H•gh- country to alter the existing system. (Hear, hear.) As re-
lands wen paid about 51. p.r annum, while the fees with carded the snider nature of the education proposed to be
which he bail to eke oat his living anointed only to about imputed by the proposition of the noble lord, he (Sir G.
6s. which was often paid in peat and other &midis. In Chain) would cau•i et the house how they separated the
other pieces they had many instances of penes being en- church from the school, because in his opinion the fillet
gaged fur 151. and paid 101., or for 201. and paid 151, would be to lower that tone of religion and morality for
If the schools were to be considered an integral portion which the people of Scotland wen distinguishedsend Rein,
of the establishment he mast say that they had sot been beyond • doubt, remelted from the principles reverted to
fairly treated. The measure which h. had introduced them by their present system of education. (Hear, bear.)
was founded upon the territorial system. It was impossible Ho therefore objected to the principle of the bill, because it
that any system like that existing in this country could be aimed at a severance of the established church from the
extended to Scotland, for the established church was there parochial school. (Hear, hear.) Indeed he might say that
patty in the minority. He came now to one of the most was the main and principal feature of the bill, as everything
difficult parts of this queens, namely the religions prin. use contained in it might be adopted or njeeted at the
cipla to be taught in these schools. Then wen many dif. pleasure of the people of each parish. (Hsu, bear.) Tea
ferent seal in Scotland, bat he del not think that circus- woos, if carried into effect, would put an end to
stance would stead in the way of the bill, for although there the superintendence of the church, and render it no
might be a trance in theory there was so variance in prac- longer necessary that the master of the school should be a
nee with regard to the religiose views taught in the senate member of that church. (Hear, hear.) What he (Sir G.
of the establishment and the nools of the fro church. Clerk) then called on the house for was noninterference
The religious dogmas taught in both were therms, the me- with the parochial schools; and he besought of them, what.
dins through which they were inculcated wen the same. ever they might do, to do it in encouragement of them
The atablished chiush, the fie, church, and the united rather than otherwise. (Hear, hear.) The church of Soot-
pnsbyterian church, used in their schools the sea ma- land looked with no inlet's eye on the aid given to the
chines and the same confession of loth; the diffi Tenon free church or other schools. In Scotland there already
of those churches plating sot so much to agate as existed a compulsory assessment for the support of educa-
te questions involving political eeosequenose. He was con- tin • r and he thought the people of that country would have
✓ino; that the religious peculiarities of these churches did goodeans to complain if any additional burden, such as the
not make it impracticable to give the population • united casein of the noble lord contemplated, were placed upon
educated. There was no desire in the minds of parents them. (Hsu, bar.) Hai the proposition of the hon. mem•
in Scotland coat schools should be made noes for the teach- bar for Oldham been adopted, as regarded England, then,
fog of peculiar raligioui dogmas. It had been the pen- indeed, there wculd be a precedent for extending compulsory
tic. for R man catholic, Ind epimeopalians to have their ideational taxation to Scotland. However, though a pee-
children educated in the parochial Innis. In an inquiry ensue it would not be a justification, as, according to that
which was instituted in reference to this subject fifteen or hon. member, the voluntary 'menu was falling away in
twenty yeah ago it was ascertained that, out of 924 pariah Etgland, whilst, not keg since, upwards of 20,0001.
schools time were 915 +hien parents were in the habit of had been collected by the established church in Scotland,
allowing their children to attend without reference to nli- to be devoted to the purposes of education. (Hear, hear.)
gioua opinions. In the case of 2,929 schools in Scotland • Therefore he (Sir 0. Clerk) said give the voluntary system
similar practice then prevailed, If he had introduced into a fair and 'impartial trial, and he believed that in a few
the wenn anything whatever about religion he would years it would overtake, or nearly overtake the deficiency at
have included what had in all former acts been excluded. present complained of in education. (Hear, hear.) H.
In a report lately presented to parliament, it appeared that maintained that the bill of the noble lord did not provide
not long ago a gentleman died, who, desirerig to benefit for that deficiency, which and sot be obviated by the pa.
his native parish, had made a bequest for the finial committee to be atablithed under it. (Hear, hear.)
eel.c.,tion of all the children. Of 2,000 children who He admitted that the law under which these schools were at
benefited by this bequest nearly oorthial were Entan ca,- Present regulated was imperfect and required amendment ;
thence.. The donor being basalt of that permeate's, desired and he trusted, therefore, that her Majesty's minister,
that his gilt should have • really catholic application. If would give the matter their ma: serious attention and am-
education should be provided for on tolerant principles there sideration, and that they would modify what appeased to
would be no didn't', and numbers would derive benefit them to be hush, and improve when at present
who would othenries_go forth in utter ignorance and desk- there might be deficiency. (Hear hear.) The
sees. (Hear, hear.) The omission of provision for • religious system of parochial instruction is inland was one
Mination from the bill wan in perfect harmony with the which ought not to be touched with a rash hand. Parochial
opinions of those who had advanced the natation of the schools opposed no barrier to the extension of education in
people in Scotland. Dr. Candlish had boasted that over the Sootkad ,• but by securing a limitation of these schools, it
schen °f breed Scotland there was not to be found sectarian prevnted school being established from which the religious
education. It so, why should then be wenn aspirin- element 'Mould be entirely excluded, and be implored the
linen of Quenon ? (Hear, hear.) The same authority hone, whatever they did to extend their system, to leave
said he daid.rated the universal adoption of the rule whin untouched the jpreesst system of parochial schools. He
had been adopted in particular cases of d' aagg altogether moved that the bill be read a second time "pan this day
with certificates of reWess instance asrag riled noci . six months.
He mien also refer, In relation te she Neu !data to Mr. FEROUS supported the bill for its two principle., to
the opinions suPrienisd by those who edged the sandalled which he gave his cordial assent—namely the introduction
manesto protested the other day. Those pestles said they of popular control over the sehools, and the abolition of all
agreed with the late Dr. Chalmers, that there would be no religiose testa Oche qualieretions of schoolmeaten.
eetrindben trent** didielitiee with which ediecatien wee Mr. OSWALD asked whether the house was about to
ellealabered• except by "Seining fnes iatradeeing the ide" I:beneath. whole educational system of Scotland, without
moot of religion at all. It was • mat unfortunate Onus- ration and without Inquiry—a „gam was part of
Once for the cause of education in Scotland, as well as for
himself, that he should have been obliged to step forward thitheasraTtaijaptoilLaajlosottitsoalirthet. einafaroorrealaboerthorreet hagetttrdaale.
in this matter •
,but the urgency of the necessity of doing would have d • se ten i gaa
lay a eapone power over um n land ;
something ta tha Inds of mad "stela wasp Peat. nor wee there anything in tell about religion, the Ott
that he could not Min from &Mounting to give effect, as
gar as gessieee to his osta °platoon. I.he plea uhhat he
To. sate connection of which with education was recognised by
posed proceeded, with some t &Menai as the earliest statutes. This bill made • total and final sever-
old territorial went of . It differed chiefl anal of religion from school teaching, while, by • aide-end,
the set of leo3, In the pawed to abolish all Mids.'. Tote it attain the established church.
had bees of se see, sad had dome a great deal of mischief. Mr. F. MAULS observed that this was one of the gravest
He did not think the expease of wan out the system of and most important subjects ever brongst before parliament,
improved education would be so great as was anticipated; the question. deeply Wading Sootiand, being whether Ile
end he thoaght they would be ening unwisely is not an- .7etein ef education wu__,haaag whether a right griacifialaa
Peking the wealth of Sealed to eosteibute more than regarded the whole commnity— the means ...se
did at print to the edscationl wants of tee people. onion were adequate to the Fent circumstances of the
(Hear, hear.) e,uatry. Without eosuniteing himself to the details of the
Sir G. CLERK hod listened with great attestka to the bill. is no spirit hostile to des parental schools, or to the
speech 01 tha asbu hied sad Amid attualy mud ase a Chan 41 Scotland, he appeased principle, whisk did not
very able etatemast. With nay of thentementa of the alai•destroying the ?Ora" I.ellent• but et its referaiin
son lord he did net fad 'Wined to maw, bet he should then' Piety*" t° build urea the ad foundation a °tem
retina that the Impeetost pert .4 the sable Imre uateeleate that sight pressen the wheels In their integrity. He should
namely,
the
gismos).
of the oheilie ha whist, the eme. rate kr the seemed reign of the bill, beeause, whoa he
ewe was feuded, tom the part that mated M weepy Wet t°11.4,..._.:4 11112ws se
_Sissestbb awed, if this roil= were
of his sureties, sad te shish he had else devoted the ass, imam= We who'd be demeithded b 7
rinelley parties ef be elservetiens. (Hest.) The feeble Ills f""*"- sir essliswa
lied bed emeted that the apes shill' ede• C. B.."Clie7Lssed the bill, whisk he seeribed to a
sales wee based in wee dainties and ••••"• the Pert Pm shush to esquire a cootrel over
delleitet. Rea it bed bent see of the great the ffsfss.'ls, school&
.166... a
the mew
of the Scottish sehasatua to Mr. 11CGREGOR should vole for the second reading of
lake ."--eare that dim shield be a embed In every the which, with
.1011919 he believed, would
perish, "kr the Godly upbringiag eta Ires ;" end they wirsussill._ 7 w.Me._.egneridel is Mtiaed,
seamed t• feel that any oysters of eilmaties that wee not " "ate Z
hued ea religiose priest** wadi be ell the same as asgo: For the meal restbsi 94
eery. (Henn hear.) Yea. the veer led the pereeilial For the alesadmat
eeheale lad bola Pen sad need et die hetleatlese of 5a 4, The hill was wswlsslowsti7 lest.,
lead. Re would net eves sodas tli leimare within the FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL
peeled dated banes the refeenentila la Sallee& eel the On the order for the non readies, puttees
=; Weems eves prise le tie sellasslm, la the stated by hoe. nienthen from varier Tar':
MOM Ms tM peeeidellihselsedelel. (Heir, le term of She bill, hat the peakeloa that Pee•