The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-12 00:00:00

sultakes, sad he believed
South Australia the present
pereetisally the voles of lead
had the power of dentate -
to doubt but that they w
although they might redoes
litsa
ealto alter any of the
object to the
Wage being Pima
111, it was only a epodes o
torus would be able to deg.
Bart ORRY,'-te 'Moir lhoolffeeigi enid-amer e.
agreed to It world give the Meet whist the hum
cold indict on the pesetawb of the Astelealha WPM.
All the Pete landa wise halt kpher—Mideoliola Ina for
the of this Gusto ; and lbe belleied If Pfeil wore
eedUSS the lauds Of the edkaylareestd be brought op by
speasheru, who would Mobs them with the view of
seddig lesoadmr • high pries of them. He thought, for
them reeseas. that the pima eriaisain pie el It
per ails week not be depleted from. A sonsidustele
pities of the asenry Maid by the ale et Lad was retuned
to the unless In the imaged' beitilles given fee essigratiee,
is w making of bridges, o. *e ; and it was meek
MOW tidies& gaped MM he provided for then by
WON tow is the eadaile. was told that the exiles
siMMAuf had sake segoaidnet the feeling of the Waal.
Tete he iota ; there was a great divide* of oentiniesitea
lb. maid% but is South Australia the hake( was pie
fame of it, sad he did not belleurthativei coadiEdif
New Routh Wales was at puma to the mileldelli
pries of lt. per ewe, although seme"=".dasei they pout a
resolution ageism it. A petition had Pea rooster ed frees at•
holder, of crown lands ender the present system in Audi
of the regulations which toe some years had been enforesi '
Lord MON TEAGLE unrested their lovelies to set ash
the prime* that had hitherto guided them by OW
paellag the amendment.
The eciessittee then divided.
For the amendment
LordAtt It 2B-10
IiaIs)ESDALE then moved teat the chairmaa
report lIVOIMPN.
Lard OREY opposed the motion. Their lordships mime
Poised, and justly. that they were hurried into discussions
at lie latter end of the neap ; hut could it be otherwise, if
gee every case of mere amusement, however trifling, the
basins, of that house was to give way—one day for • race
here, Pother for • roes there—ose day for a greet dicer in
the City, sad another for • great dinner somewhere else ?
Me *vainly hoped that is attempt to defeat this bill by
I delay would not succeed. He tad seen • desire to protract
proceedings, and be thought they c uolit logo on ea far as they
could, (Incensing the clauses u the arose. Last year, on
is. bill, their lordships did not object to sit till bye o'clock
in the morning.
After a few words ftem Led Moisture', Lord Itedesdale,
the Marquis of Lansdowne, and Lord Abinger,
The amendment was withdrawn.
The Bishop of OXFORD then rue to move the insertion
of a clause. He should have done so with more diffidence
had it not been for the friendly tone last night held by her
Majesty's government as to some proposition to meet the
evil. He did not mean for • moment to say that her
Majesty's government committed themselves in the moot
tadireet way to this particular clause, but the tone gest-
rally in which the noble earl expressed himself, and
the meaner in which the noble marquis Painted to the ex-
pressen was, that they wished to remove every thing which
tended to restrain the exercise of church oiscipline in the
colonies. The obje oof tl:e claw he captained last night.
The present position of the church of England in the colo-
nies was this—that all the laws and rules which were in
luxe affecting the church by the statute law ot England at
the time those colonies were founded, became biuding on
those colonies, and, therefore, the canon law, for instance,
which was binding on the lergy, and the particular re-
strain's which had at various times been placed on the
clergy of the church of England, were binding on
thou colonies. Now it was seen when bishops were
appointed to the colonise, that they should be provided with
some machinery by which those things which in England
were easily carried out should he curled out there : and ac-
e irdingly, powers were given to the bishop, by • patent to
enable them to hear and examine witnesses. But on the
first time that the powers so conveyed were put to the proof,
they were disputed. The matter was referred to the highest
law authorities of this country, and is was decided that her
Majesty had no authority to grant those powers. The posi-
tion, then, in which the church of England stood in the
Australian colonies was this,—ir was wholly unable to make
any rules for its own internal management. It
was impossible to make any rale which should
be binning even on those who gave their consent
to it, amid the party who had agreed to the rule, if
he fancied that he suffored from it, might apply to a court of
law, and so to qui rion, and even to puuiso those with
whom he had agreed before to ley down rules. The right
rev. bishop then read several extracts from a paper written
by the chaplain of the Bishop ot Tirmania, in which he said
he had seen many tenons inconveniences arising nom the
want of du regulations in the church of Eoglaad in the
colonies, and as the government was now going to give the
colonies the initiative in proposing their own civic
institutions for the sanction of the crown, it seemed nuns-
able to expect that the same freedom of action wonld be
given them in their ecclesiastical affairs. The evil
was that the elsewhere of the church of England in the co•
lonies were subject to restrictions which no other party of
eeligionists were subject tie. He had himself conversed with
an intelligent gentleman who resided in that country ( Van
Diemen's Land), who said that the statue of the clergy of
the church of Bulged was injured, because it was known
that they held their office oe the simple ipso dizot of the
bishop, and that they did not stand on an ascertained foot-
ing, bat were left to an irresponeible authority. in the pro-
vince of Canterbury, in New Zealand, it was expressly pro-
vided that the bishops and clergy should be subject to the
metropolitan se* of Canterbury, as to any metropolitan bee
at home. They put them under the Banta restraints a, in
this country, hat did not give them the same power—the
power of taking evidence, the power of legal process.
Therefore, they gave them enough of their cycle-
elastics! novelettes. to restrain them, but not enough I
to be of service in effecting the object intended.
This clause was pure, permissive, and gave n s power to the
established church which the R man catholic. and the
presbyterians did not eojoy. It merely put them al. on •
per, and simply drew up such rules toe the conduct of the
members of the established churn as would counteract the
anomalous connexion with the church at home, and
which gave to the members of it in the colonies
wither role nor freedom. What he 'eked their
lordships to do wis to set the colsnite free, no:
frogs local legislatisn, but from imperial legislation
He hoped, for the sake of the colonies and the church, that
their lordship would agree to the clause of which he cow
=avid the insertion.

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Earl (PREY wee le: from denying that there was a crier.
ones to be remedied as regarded the church But the sub-
ject WAS one of such difficulty that it would be impossible to
deal with it by any such single clause as was now proposed.
It the clause was confined sisepls to the restraining words,
he should not so strongly object to it. But it recited doubts
whether such restraints were ajiplicable to our colonies,
and legalised and pave authority to certain proceed-
ings. which amounted to nothing mere nor less than
the creating of • legislative authority for the church
of England which that church did not possess in this c',un.
try. He thought it was most essential that they should
avoid clashing with the colonial interests, and Hest what
they di-should bed an imperial nature. If they introduced
a special provision into this bill it might be supposed that it
was intended to overrule this new lezialature. Ile therefore
trusted that the right rev. prelate would not put the bons' to
the necessity of dividing.
The Bishop of SALISBURY czpressed himself in favour
of the chose, but observed that if the noble earl would go
a little further and pledge himself that the government
would take the question in nand as a thing properly belong-
ing to their functions, and endeavour to remedy the &duskier'
grievance, then would he add his voice to that of the noble
earl in suggesting that it would be most desirable n it to go
to a division now, but to reserve themselves until the
whole question came sepsrately before them.
The Bishop of LIMERICK opposed the clause because
it would place them in a most anomalous position.
The Marl'! HiRROVir BY r.neeived that the claim was
rather a declaration . opir ine than one f w leci,lating upon.
Tile Earl of CHICHESTER, who was almost wholly ins
aud,ble in the gallery, admitted the uncertainty of the law
as it at present stood, end hop-d something would be done
I to remedy it; but he doubted wheels. r the clause proposed
I by the right rev. prelate would produce the desired effect.
1 He suggested that there should be • revision of the entire
state of the law in the colonies, so fur as the church was
concerned.

Tne Bishop of DOWN and CON NOR was anderstoxt to
oppose the slau•e.

Lord REDESDALE spoke in favour of the clause, but
susausttd to the tyin rev: prelate 'sue to r, under ell the

M bad wet bitter withdraw it:

Lod LYT KELTON thought the subjea oar which should
be dealt with by the government, and walled to kauw whe-
ther t • noble earl would endsrteke to make some inquiry
Into the matter.

Earl GREY was und.rstoxl to admit that the subject woe
0..- demanding stuintioa, and without uadertskinu to Rive
may sJerific answer so to course he might on inquiry
t ink it summary to puma, ha should be happy to apply a
remedy if poesibl..
. . . .

Thelingip of (ALFORD, Morn withdraw:ng his motion,
wined to know whether the government would make in.
fumy with a view to devise a remedy during the prarnt
s• inn.

The Marquis el LANSDOWNE acknowledged that a
g.altical grievance tanned, hut it was not to be expected
unit ministers were preps,. d et 24 hours' notiee to state
definitely what c• 11,11 they wnold pursue in a matter lull
of ddileulty His noble friend (Earl (ire)) bad gone as far
as he 0.a1.1 go in promising that the subject should be
inquired into, std he would add that that inquiry ehould
putcted without any uni.ecessery delay. (fle►t, hear.)
POWIS thought t►e church had a roght to call Gs
Ittmtrnmeat to ri.rwits a trice ace which t:or estistilished
etiuree Icy under h. the w...ch whir religious
Audi.. did not staffer.

• The 'bishop el UXEOHD —lf tbe nrs!.le iarl would un-
iquat t to introduce a daslareios) bolo that tht disabling
Sc.. which bound me erase', in England not sztend
t,• Mom colonies, he w eitaaraw bis amendment.
F. od 0 KRY 'ha an i qw.try w..uld ho. instituted.
Tne llMOsop ol OXFCHID • .1.1, this: uo the undemanding
.hat eke provonions, t would ina•irut. ah WHIP di.te inquiry,
w but pr, se hip esmilauit...re•erising to himself the
rnlauf twinning mp a likod el.a•e tea the report.
meudas. i.e..% withdraw..

The bore then eisitroyd, It Wag arraard that tbv
m rung larva of th. hitlabould be takia os Friday.
I new Igrosuiya Wen aajoaturt at a law mastitis to oat
u'cavek.

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY

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POPULATION OF IRILAND.
Sir W. BO %MELVILLE berieght la the ;bill whisk he
had obtaised leave to tatradatte ea ibil presidia( day, far
whims tlts men la Inland. The NU nes andlnad tto In
ran • ant tin., sad ordered to be read a weed due es
Friday. ,
NATIONAL OALLENT.
81, 0. OUT (ia the abloom of Lord J. Naieell) moved
the re-eppeiahaeat of the West Math**, to esarider the
preerat seessametiotioa afforded bi the Nodose' Galbra7,
sad the hest modest - I pus

preouring augbilMig be tint
works of art glean to the nation, oe purdemed by paella-
mentuy mats—Lnd John Ruses 1, 81, Robert Peel, Mr.
Hese, Lord Seymour, Mr. Goultatru, Mr. Baring
Kr. Sidney Herbert, Sir Besjamin Hall, Marquis of Cinch).
Mr. Tanen, Mr. Walley, Mr. Diereell, Mr. yentas Smith,
Mr. Backe., sad CoL itawden.—Agreed to.
METROPOLITAN INTBIAMBNTS BILL.
The boom then west into sommittm on We bill.
Mr. BERNAL, the chairman, sold thy were at the 30th
elmase, is +Wet he understood the government had some
emendatente to Windom.

Bit G. OBEY said be proposed to 'strode., certain
amendments in this CAWS (lb. abase giving compensation
to clergymen), which he conceived would meet the
objections that had been raised against it. It bad
been decided, wises the house was last fa corn
mitt.., that the compensation should not be limited to
elietin incumbents; hat the amount of that compensation,
and the distribution of it, were still open to consideration.
The house teemed generally to assent to the principle of giv-
ing a just and fair compensation to existing incumbents.
(Hesz, hear.) With regard to future incumbents, it had
bean thought necessary that some payment should be sou-
tinned to them, with a view to obviate the deficiency of in-
come which would be caused in many pariah's were these
fees withdraws. In many perishes these fees formed a
considerable pertioci of the income of the incumbent, earl-
' daily of that class of the clergy for whom great sympathy
had alwaja bees expressed in that hones, the working clergy.
The average payment on each interment had been fixed at
Ga. Yd., whicti would be below the amend average at pre-
ent received, and would therefore operate with some degree
of injustice in some ewes. He had received communications
from several clergymen, stating that they were in the
receipt of fees of a much larger amount; while these re-
ceived in the mere p ipulous parishes were considerably less.
Ti. edict of the amendment which he now proposed was
this, he would leave the gross amount of compensation un-
touched ; he still proposed that 6s. '24. should be the fee
payable on each i-iterment, for bodies removsel from any of
the metropolitan parishi s; but, instead of its being paid in
the first instance to the clergyman of the parish whence the
body mks brought, the fees would be carried to a separate
account, and that account would lie charged, in the first in-
stance, with the payment of salaries to the chsplaine, then
the incumbents would receive out of it a compensation calcu-
lated on their average receipts from burial fees for the five
years next before the passing of this act. Therefore, 90
far from any of the clergy receiving more than
they h.d Litherto received, the amount would be
regulate) by their past receipts; and the board would be
e ~bled, with the consent of the treasury, to award to locum.
bents who had been receiving • higher amount a sum ellen-
toted on the of their last flee years' receipts. That
would be s rietly in accordance with the principle on which
compensation noe generally awarded, and he believed it
would remove one great objection on tbs part of the clergy
to a provision which certainly would have operated with ic-
justice. With regard to future incumbents, he thought it
we.uld be necessary to continue the payments ; at the same
time fall power would be given to reduce the amount on the
death of an incumbent, should circumstances be found to
justify a reduction. If this proposal were carried into effect,
it was probable the, with the increasing pspfilation in the
manufacturing district.,' hers would ultimately be a surplus
to divide out of the fund arising from the payment of those
fes Va,iius propositions had been made for the disp nal
of that surplus ; but he would not then enter into it. He
would move the insertion of witch in accordance with the
alteration he had rated at the end of line 5.

Sir Et HALL was glad of the alteration which he thought
would do away with much of the objection to the clause u it
stood.

♦iter IMO conversatien, the clause, as amended, was
agreed to.
Toe aea• clause was struck out.
On the 32nd clause, which provides for compensation to
the clerty.
Sir B. lIALL was proceeding to detail some cues of
gross taiga...no/act, which occurred in connexion with the
burial of the dead in St. Odes-la. the-Fields, when
Mr. WAKLEY, who we. sitting but a few yards from
the hon. geatteman, cried out, Speak out ;we don't hear
a word of what you say." (Laughter.)
Sir B. OA LL said he was @peeking as loudly as he contd.
(Laughter.) Ile was in the habit of addressing public meet-
ings at which thousands of persons attended, and he could
make himself rrety well heard; and the fact of the bon.
member for Finabury complaining that he could not hear
bin.. so short a distance, showed that it was heces.ary
to appoint a committee to see what could be done with the
house. (lice,, hear.) Ile was ahout to state that the
clergy bad made • traffic of Lund-grounds, and that they
were cow going to give compensation to the persons who had
been se trafficking. (fleas, hear.) He would take the case
of St. Oiles's-in the-Fields as as instance. What had been
the cendect of the clerics man there—a clergyman too who
was very well off, foe he had 1,0001. ayear as °anon of St.
Pent's, in addition to 9571. as rector of St. Giles'. 1 It came
Oct heron an inquiry which was instituted only In N dr. last
that it was the practice there to make a feint of covering the
coffin whilst the mourners were present, but as soon as they
were gore the body mad coffin were taken up• the head of
the declassed was severed from his body, and east into a
bole, in order that putrefaction might speedily set in
It was his intention to move a clause to meet sun horrible
I cases.

S.r G. GREY did not know whether the bon. gebtleman
was mi..ntorined as to his facts, hut he felt assured that he
was misinformed as to the Rev. Dr. Tyler's having any con.
auto's with them. (Hear, hear.)
Alter soma observations from Mr. Got:hetax, which did
not reach us,
Sir B. HALL *ail that when an inquiry wu ordered by
the Board of Health, Dr. Tyler objected to the press being
admitted, and to have any report of the evideace appear in
the newspapers.
Mr. WAKLEY said that all that bad been owed by his
hon. friend the member for Haryleboae was true, but he
believed the 8d.,. Dr. Tyler was not aware of what was
going on till the inquiry took place, for the funeral service
was performed by the rev. sexton. (Laughter.) He would
ask the noble lord whether he was not aware of the facts, u
• member of the Board of Health.
Lord ASHLEY woe unthrstood to say that he had no
knowledge whatever of the facts, beyond the cirounntance
that the bodies were removed to a family vault.
Mr. BRIGHT, as a dissenter, had not so much right
to complain, but he could not understand how churchmen
could tolerate such a system in their church. (Hear. bear.)
A .yetem like that only made him wish that every church.
man should carry a parson on his back till the last day of
his lite. (" Hear, bear," and laughter.)
Oa clause 33, which provides compensation for parish
clerks and sextons,

Air B. HALL gave notice th►t, on the brirging up of
the report, he would move that no compen►ation be given
them.

In reply to en obserration made by Lord MULL; which
did not reach the gall. ry,
Sir B. HALL said the abominations practised in some of
the mistespodtan graveyards were truly revolting. It was
notorious that i. St. Pectins graveyard e.ffins were de posited
within nine inches of the 'mesa. It also appeared by the
evidence of a woman residing in the locslity, who had been
examined before the committee, that on Friday the 19th of
November, whilst looking through a back eiadow she NM
two men working in the graeelara--ene engaged in ',dis-
severing a human body, and the other in making a hole in
the ground in which to deposit the mutilated remains, which
were finally huddl. d on a wheelbarrow and thrown into the
hole. The witness also rated that she had no doubt the
boxy was one interred some five we. ks ureviously.
Colonel THOMPSON wished to know how much more
ground an untautilated body would require fur interment
than a mutilab d one ? (Laughter.) Ile believed the hon.
baronet ha I allowed his credulity to be imposed upon.
The clause w e then agreed to, as also were the inter-
' veninirelsuseis up to 63.
On Chinn 53,

Lord D stated his determination to oppose the
clause, as being moat objectionable area involving the aholl-
don of a constitutional principle —the principle of self-
governmi nt. (Hear, beer.) To* Ciliar halle power to the
commissionen to levy a rate of Id. in the pound on the In-
habitants of the metropolis ; and he celled on the committee
to neat that, as being unjust and oppressive, and also
because they had the authonty of 11.. 'nowhere of the
hi I for saying it was unnecessary. ( Hear, bear) The ob.
leetions to the clause were so r hvi,,us that very an must
oe struck with them; and he, therefore, considered the
committee would not be doing its dun if it did not native-
, T.ter to reject tit., cl iuse. So strongly did he (Lord D.
Stuarl) feel on the matter, that he felt "iound to take the
I sense of the coalmines on it. (Hear, bear.)
After a few w.irds from Sir. B liA LL erd Mr. Du:woman
Mr. STANFORD said he should moot that the rats instead
of Id. si•ould not sacred one balipenoy in the pound.
After some converse, ion
Mr. STANFORD watircw his amendment
Tne house thin divided on Sir II HALL', proviso, wi en
there appeared,
FOT the pv,viso, 96
Against it
Lord I) STUART nosed the omission of the cause.
Mr. WAKLEY said the noble lord, the member fur Bath,
lied. 'dill .bat hi, believed the rat, would not be umessary ;
soil the! rat, meat must have bees made after an ClUtline-
ti to of the statietics of the (wee. He (Mr. Wakley) would
stagger that the clause should be postponed until neat see-
of, nt least, for a few days.
Mr. 8 ClitsW1,0111) supp.rted the amendment.
Tn.• t nose them divided, when there appeared.
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EIIPLOYMUIT OF PSNSIONERS AT HUDSON'S

BAY.
Mr. F. MAULS, le owns to Mr. Cuisine, said that
pesolwas to 1846 the Hudson's Bay territory was wi:hout the
poodosticus of say British Woe. Is tionsequines of • die-
Mobilise la that year, it was found asseasary to despatch a
siomoidOrahle somber of troops from Caaada • they were kept
there two years, but the politica was so hoisted that it was
determined to provide for the protection of those territories
is mime other way. It was resolved to send out • body of
ponsonen, under the tommaat of as officer' who were to
enjoy their pervious, and restive frees the Hodson's Bay
Company certain advantages in lodging and land, in Mora
for their services, which won available in the same way 81
hero. They were r. quirod to go oat for drill 12daye in the year,
and be at all times ready to act when called en for the
preservation of the pews. They were originally 66 in
number; 20 others would nll in the course of a few days.
He we. not aware that they had mosived aoy orders to m-
istreat at all in the affairs of the lindsoit's Bay Company.
They were at the diabetics of their own officers, and not at
that of the dm pony.
Mr. HUME asked under what particular orders the
officer at their head waist:sing.
Mr. F. MAULS said be had notified& order to interfere
in any way with the civil government. His orders were to
preserve the public peace, and to prevent the isterh•renco
of those who were not entitled to do so.

Mr. CHRISTIE asked it them pensioners were paid by
this country.
Mr. F. MAIILE said they received their pensions, which
were for past services. The rest of the pay which they re-
ceived was derived from the Hudson's Bay Company.
The officer at their head was paid by the hung g..vernment.
COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT.
Mr. MULLINGS stated, in answer to a question from Mr.
Aylionby, that a bill bad been put into his hands en this sub
jeer, drawn up, as ns understood, by I r M. Ridley ; ►et be
had not read it; and it was not his intention to irtro!uee
such a bill this Xl',slolll.

oosapariersa between ens-
, and had spoken as it they
en the sans ;Mad*. To
Eralseqww) It appeared that
&Wee s►ould be levied were
object with regard to the
was to wake this coaatry
here aad to other pasts of
was demanded until

attention of the how. Be admitted that it ..di,
any question to be brought before the griwueal.-"
more pregnant with future results both to tpea: civilisation of the world ••and it wee
and with these views that the But India Coal ""
=eat of government in carnelian a' th
tape which, under any other c.
Madly be prudent. The noble lord bad ref tir
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independent of that which he beton the notice of the house h had cursil
the cultivation of cotton, but he thou
ught noble
sub' • Irks' discretion in not Rene at fi';),' • subject, grate, in the course of nett week, the;,—,,-„' ,
a debate on that matter. It was sixty
West ladies supplied, not only this country but
ce the article pi Europe
ticle wu with lodigointrod . It was about fp-4 sinuced into the hut hi'
they had superseded the cultivation of the 4tielt7
part of the world, lad oar Indian empire supplie d this country, but emcee the whole of Europa.
lord had known lately what had been uore, the
the Bast India Company had exhibited, aridaryl
Oven by the government, he would not have th
little o their exertions. It was tree that the I when this subject was brought forwarl were se'
as to the best mode by which the experim.
should be made. The subject of railway tom
had been since 1837 under the consideretwe of
authorities. The noble lord bad recital',
different propositions which were before the or
but his speech would lead to the inference that a bad been given to the two pr esident:in of Be i
i bay, and on coming to their decision there was engal q.
lion of any prior claim. Ile trusted that he neen
upon the house the fairness and jutiee of the
Company and the government in ennsidericp
ties. Toe noble lord had referred to the (iv
maw which the East India Company
awed to give to the railways ia jj,
Bombay the guarantee to which he
luied, and he had compared the ap
the two lines. In making the line from Caleiet
it was necessary to begin semewhrre; they a,
a section before they made the whole. Tne
mistaken if he thought that they were makin4
Lion of a line of railway from Calcutta to the tr.r.
provinces, with a view of stopping at that pn h
noble lord was more mistaken if he though: h.
and the East Indies were prepared to take the n
line of railway, as any evidence whether
ewer in India or not. As to Bombay,
auctioned was no more intended to De Whin
r.
the Brit section of the line, which woe alera.
Bengal. Re did sot wish to follow the
various calculations uto the traffic. inc •
said that they might depend on the tr.tfic o. n
but this point was one on which there hal
greater mistakes than in this country. 1
abown themselves more prone to enter into c.ze•
suits than formerly, and therefore it was not r
to the conclusion that they might depend en•.,
chandise and not on passengers. II.•
of the motion to be to induce the governur it- •
same coi.sider;dion to the goverment
h.d extended to the presidencies of 1: Els.
bay. A report had lately appeared in
of this country, which was tutalty un
that some great impediment had lA.
the arrival of the ei.gincers in If
idea of the railway had !Ain
given up entirely. There was r.
truth in that. On the contr.r.
railways in Bengal were going
satisfaction of the East India Comp'. y
prospects were better than at ahy •
therefore he thought it right to clatr..
might be prejudicial to tneir ie er-
already despatched a letter to the roe.,
quirieg them to furnish every fa:hify n
fur the railroad, and he believed no !al.
the receipt of each information, n es.
lines to which the noble lord had read

. sossumpleon.. 0-n- tie othe; hind.,
'texas duties ought to be levied at es sally a period
irpossible, to steer to relieve the nmaufactuer at odes Prow
the upeteision of the luau °Meter. The s_pirit distiller en-
Emsed dis advantage over the meitater. The charge was
es 'malt when it was manufactured, six meaty
morally allowed for the payment of the duty and
semulty taken for prams. The spirit distiller had am is.
SASS reedit, sad was not called upon to pay when the
=sold ndateally be chargeable. The maltster poll
six menehe, the distiller light not pay for six yews.
Be.. alatimis would fled that, by the augurs passed he
184$, be had meted a large export trade in spirits. The
noble lord would have than suppose that the Scots).
and Irish trade had been overwhelmed by the in-
troduction of colonial rum. Now, what were the
facts ? The assumption of ham-made spirits had
Wereesed In these countries to a remarkable extent. Is 1847
the consumption of rum in Scotland was 382,000 gallons ; is
1849, 260,000 gallons. In Ireland the consumption of rein
in 1849 excluded the consumption in 1847 he only 6,000 gal-
lons. The consumption of British spirits in England wee, in
1847, 8,409.000 gallons ; in 1849, 9,063,000 'Slone ; a Seel.
Sad, in 1847.8,193,000 gallons ; is 1849, 6,936,000 gallons;
is Ireland in 1847. 6.037,009 gallons; in 1849, 6.97500
gellose. In Ireland there was, in 1849, an increase in the
nethinmption of home-made spirits, as compared with the
Tian*, consumed in 1847, amounting to about 960,000
gallons. That skewed pretty clearly that no groat
WWI, had been inflicted on the Irish distiller.
by the introduetion of colonial spirits. Bat the export trade
had, he repeated, beat created by the mums paned in
1848. In 1847 there was exported from Englend not a single
gallon of spirits ; in 1849, 73,000 gallons were exported.
From Scotland there were exported in 1847, 68,6114 nektons ;
is 1849, 206,000 mafioso. From Ireland there were exported
la 1847, 6,439 gallons ; in 1849, 87,000 gallons. The increase
Wag tenfold. Yet the noble Lrd said the export trade of
'Mead had been ruined.
Lord NAAS begged the right hon. gentleman's pardon.
He had said that the export trade was ruined ; what
be had said was, that it had been considerably impeded by
Hs existing restrictions. (Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER continued—
Eseeland and Ireland had benefited to a great extent by the
peembeloa to warehouse their spine in England; the two
ebtalthe having warehoused here 1,500,000 gallons in the
coarse of the lest year. He hoped the house would reject the
motion as involving injustice to the English distiller, while
if the duties were fairly levied, his competitor in Scotland
and in Ireland would not be benefited by the change. If,
for the sake of the revenue, he levied the duty at the worm's
end in England, he might be compelled to do the Nall la
Scotland and Ireland.
The house then Divided, and there appeared,
Fur the motion
Against it
The announcement of the result elicited loud cheers.
The house then went into a committee of the whale house,
for the purpose of considering resolutions ; Mr. E. B.
Roes IS in the char.
Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved the following resolution :
" That the duties payable on British spirits, when talon
out of warehouse for home consumption, shall be charged,
and the quantities ascertained by the measure and strength of
the same actually delivered, save end except that when such
spirits are not in a warehouse of special security,
no greater abatement on account of deficiency is
quantity and strength, as ascertained at the time wh, n the
said spirits are warehoused shall be male than after the seversl
rates following; that is to say, for every 100 gall .na hydro-
meter proof, for any time net exceeding two months, two
gallons; for any time exceeding two months, and not ex-
c, cding six months, three gallone; for any time exceeding
six months, and not exceeding twelve months. four giilloca ;
and fur every additional six months, one gallon."
Toe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
he would not Row object to the adgption of the resolutions ;
hut at the elms) time he would not pledge himself or any- 1
body els as to the course that might oe take when the bill
to which the hon. 'swabs referred should come before the 'I
house.

Mr. AOLIONBY mid that :in
that government has/ dealt most
way communication to India, and :.
exteuled to the Madras presidency.
Sir E. COLEBROUKE said it th
be thankful for the aoention w :,
to their interests. lie had t,.
and history of recent attrinp..
ways into India, and had la. Jar
hension that this limited hue to e•
vince of Bengal was to be underr ,o 1
which the success and value of
rest, but he now understood Mr tn..
videred as the commencement of a to.
ject. There was another Znicti.; re • r
viz , that this line was ti tiriniore :
cutia and 'Mai. The line wuul I tut,
the way a hilly country of airy :1•::•
scarcely had one tingle great towr.
aides is length, and would cu:y han
mem:meta of a more iraprau: ani
commercial cltues genera is
He thought that the thank. of t
noble lord for having elicited
on this great question.

Resolutinns agreed to.
Mr. FORBES MiKENZIE thee moved another resolu-
tion, to the effect that when British spirits were takes out of
the warehouse for ship stores or for exportation to foreign
p arts, no duty shoul•1 be made payable except on such spirits
as may be warehoused as special security.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
he would agree to the resolution ea the same terms.
Revolution agreed to.
The house then resumed.
RAILWAY COMMUNICATION IN INDIA.
Lord JOCELYN moved for any papers not already laid
before parliament referring to the general question of rail-
way communication in ledia together with copies of any
correspondence which may have taken place between the
home authorities and the Madras government in reference to
the proposed railway between Madre, end Arcot," anti in
doing so he hoped that the house would bear with Lim for a
few moments while he braught forward a question which
was of vast importance to the people of India, and in wnleh
the people of this country also took a greet interest. Alretely
they had had inquiries into the state of in.
banal communication in India, and he thought that
the question which he now brought before them
was one of the most important features in the
inquiry. He begged to say that, in bringing forward tre
question which formed the subject of his motion, he did not
do so in any hostile spirit to his right hon. friend, the S ow-
tan of the board of Control, who, he believed, wee as
anxious as any body to forward the prosperity and improve-
ment of the people of lam. This was a most important
question as far as the productions of the soil of India were
concerned ; and thet portion of the community in this and
that country who wereconcerned in the growth and martufac•
ture of cotton were deeply interested in it. It was of much
imp 'ream to those what attention was entirely turned to
those countries, from which they hoped to hay: an increased
supply of that article, to gratify the demand in this country.
It also interested those who wished that the consumption in
this country should be met by the produce of tree instead
of rlave labour. In feet, the mercantile and philanthropic
portion of the community in this c minty looked upon the
question as one of great importance ; to the latter it would
or so because they held the increase of the productions of
India to be one of the greatest blows that could be in
If cud on slavery in the western world. in the increase of
the productions of the s ail in Mindanao they looked for that
blow, much more than the most binding treaty that
they could enter into with soy other country tor
tee suppression of slavery. In that country, how- i
ever, where they found the people as willing to
work and as industrious as their own, they also discovered
the manutectures of India diminished and almost dntroyed.
India war in termer times famous fur its cottons and its
shawls, which were of great veins and were much sought
after. Tea celebrity, however, had almost erased. Tney
all knew that there were vast districts in India which were
capable of producing any extent of the raw material of en
ten, of sugar, and of indigo. The mineral wealth of that
country was und, veloped. They knew also that the labour
• a India was adequate, that the population was abundant,
that the people were peaceful, and could afford the cheapest
I labour in the world. Why then, with thee• natural abilities,
I ha I not the productions of India kept peer with those of
other countries 1 There were unfortunately many reasons
I (or it, amongst which could be adduced those wan,
which though lust and righteous, because they were entered
into to repel aggression, were ot great injury to the country
There was also a great want of personal supervision of the
state of India : and, lastly, there was the want of a sufficient
means of internal c •mmunication. The hon. member for
Manchester had given notice of a motion on the subject, end
he thought that when it should come before the house there
would be a more fitting opportunity for bum (lord Jocelyn)
to enter into the general question ; he would now, there-
f are, merely confine himself to the motion which he had on
a he paper, w. ;h crepe et to the internal communication in India.
Tnat there was such a want, he thought, amid hardy be de-
nied. In the )ear 1817, a committee was sppoeited to
inquire into the matter, and on it weremereaeLl • gentlemen
and gentlemen connected with manuemtures. Other gene. -
men on it were connected with the service in India and the
Eat India Company. The evidence given by every witness
examined before it went to show that there was a want of
seal& •t means of internal communication, and to prove that
it was one of the principal obstael • to trade in colon which
it was within the province of the government to relill•efe.
The committee, in their report, seated that the sahjec:s
demanded the earliest attention of the government
of India, and urged the necessity of terming roil-
ways through the centre of the country Yesterday
he sad received a letter oa the subject from Colonel Simms,
a very efficient officer in the regimes. deportment in India.
Teat gentleman was, in the year BA appointed to conduct
a great line of communication through the presidency of
modiste which was now won, and In his later he stated
the; Imes now wanted a ready end safe mode of internal
communication, a mo.lificatien and reduction of the land-
tax, aid the introduction of capita'. His ont Jocelyn's) ANNEXATION OF SAT I
view in bringing forward this motion was to give big right
Mr. O. THOMPSON mov.el tar cep..
hon. friend the Secretary of the Board of Coutrol the
f
opportunity aerating the views of the b art as to the gene-
epee between the government o
ral question of railway communication in India, end to wive
cetausissiouer d at $.l tars, and eaw.
the government ot ledia. •B me. ,r
their opinien as to the lines to which grants hid h en mode, Bo chay an
oe.ation of Sahara eu i the wheeenwee e.
and to state what their expectations from teem were. It together web any .locumrnts U,„ i.:„
was for them to consider how far the, wait carte Out the _
to eke u•Pletwqr geverontent.
proposed lines of communication, and whether they would ,
VailiC O. the property belotiging t • tao • .:
give their sanction to the companies which lie proposed to
the me of the &mire of his lee ••,
undertake these lines. The noble Ire then showed A
arts the amount of Melltle trona all emu. •
that on a short line in India the goods' wadi , hail icereseed
Sattare, since its administration by tee Fe-
in a very short time from 30,000 tons a year 300,000 tong. pi Iwo!.
He had placed the question before the house very • .
Madequetely, taut he believed it was a question of vest im- thek eeteZpdwiet.shifocgalaertheershresr,P'y'manbdelther
portance, and that those who fait wirn him that we had late higher. eeneet, Sing, .h it
duties to perform in bees, would souse its trapor ann.
renew °enemies agent at Brew,
We hod • population of nearly tuba million, in belts, whose and the them, ,e_eiee„igace(Lees, lews
nappinew ant prorpetey depended on our perforating our
duties. Tire time was come, when 1•e-king en the remains aealroideb.ura%l"bet9.wlL:ep.P7gTeint,in.t
left behind them, of these great governors who had at own
directors of the Rest laths Canspeny
they did feel for the wants of the natives of India, by their
whether in the wenn department Of oteerei,
ferinotoes, tt ass rime tor England to step Itoward and tell same have not bent presentee a thes k
the tutions, that amidst ell her triumphs mail all her glory,ee •
CR( /13L'fli TO ANIMALS.
she also melt en interest in the Indians. (1t ar, tuner.)
BORNEO.
siuMtr.v.WthleLVermaiNdideoi.tioat rattek.utour,:bersite
wrathe
;sit.setw.nt
main Ir.. lits1its Ma riauWw BpeletkileerobleemoolstledtotllLe,3l;'uT.Sl::,;!
did heti,. to aotaplaia of the manner in which the noble I
• lord lied done credit to himself awl diem notice to to
i.'a letter, of th it. .10
Nat India Comeau) ; but he wished to correct tome iniv.p-
eratettsione under which the noble lord laboured. They who logrM.artw.s.4e.ptloy.
tLotolL,o4ll,4rßwjlf, I
ttkown tete .ew
groatn .ha wouldsu ont hdwionhnkiecthhheyt Fevny'orbiebnaLl'• with in within the
eer ces: any .:etAgreed
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by Zi'•

Mr. HCME said that there w • •
veloping the resources of India, d
tin of railways, an 'family@ applic .t.
believed. gnat!, diminish the evils of th... . •
one of those who attributed all the mid , • L..,
of taxation, as he thought that if the r • .
country were properly devellied, the am w;a
would sit very lightly on the inhebitants.
that if the India Company would commence •
from Allahabsd to Della, running through the er
lines, the saving in men, hums, atil the carried
stores, would in five years make them en am; .
their money.
Sir J C HOIIHOCSE s.id he WAS glad .
lord had brought forward this motion, hut r • .
it necessary, atter the full . nil able sp. eca
near him (Mr. Wilson) to go into say .• •., • •
the subject. He should take another ~; • • •• :
in what point h. differed from th- • • 7 .
' political
interests of India or ice • • •
thoie to whom they were intrusted. ,
should be able to show that the nom,
slumbered at its post, nor hal the cos;
intoreets entrust, d t its care. Lie 'hon. , .
occasion allude to one or two points winch r. •
hon. friend hod insufficiently develoysed, and
' concerned the Madras and Atc3t Railway. He • .
bon. friend had not mentioned why that complhy
received the time eze .uragement as hal been eat.
the other two railw ty companies. Tne reaaons wee.
In the first instance—and any gentleman pres• nt w
acquainted with the circumst cou:el emnrs
meat—it vitas t.l intention of the company to give
pref•renee to the Miami line, on account of its r:
facilities. and for other conshicrations which •
entitle it to a preference. They were prep treLl .
what occurred ? Waen they wished to k 'ci.
alive, the company died of i self, and of c •ur.,
to support a nonentity. (A laugh.) As to t.:••
had been alluded t 3 by mdre than one h u
were to be attributed to faults an
the government hod no share. » :he : •g
tions had a:ionised ta.s mart,
feared would stigmatise it in his•ory. •
ruinous specuia:ion which, not cnnii 1..1 .•
say to those who were not supo ised t
very hiso sense of honour, had even lid
usually supposed to h- guided by the is. •
to whom the people of England hal
up not only for the formation id
of its Manner! He could wow, h:. t ,••
d'd not require any fresh staina:u. • .
rather wanted Ithe rein than (hi, . • :re
upon from all sides. It la !.•t • r

Pure purr, nun.. -.
Besides wino, he eon(
p-rson had the master r.
(Cheers
Mr. MANGLES, wh era* :-
stood to say that the India Cow,
for not baring undertak-n
reserves in their cof,•r% vcl:h Kt
lie trusted that the line eJtileul
dal in its results.

Lord JOCELYN. iu reply.
by any t. cling hostile .o the c
this motion. His object was t.a c.
Ternsent did not mean to rsc'.u•ie th.. M
share in their support. Ile derd, it tr.
been dissolved.
The motion was then put Ana aorr.! •
I'UNISEMENT OF P.
Mr. EWAET said that At t. at Li:. i.
(":. 117 eleven o'clock) he sli n t!.
on the mo•ion of which he had .it
cApit -I punishment. I'• UJ go on '•
for him to iro on. sevoral non. metu!vi•
who intended to sup, rt his m Lon. Ali
now he should •io so %, itn the •
opposed to him, and none is tiwur
lore bring it forward on :he tirst .'pp.nn.
do so.

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We rttpersed prearees, and have sable. Ihillad instituted a
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thestegtedg. sad aljeessoi al 10U-Paeflallea ,se le be, levied cm the
tfil kilgrist eve la the ell house/ Idland.6l...(tbs *ow Rzehesi
nes/oas wits at Yawl eve Aka la the, as white Wee duties
old hews. dfeel oypealta., • The °Nes
POSTAPTICE. el taipseeed goods was
11r. 70111111111 t gave amass ski ea Ify4by Losett:
um emui,,, me her
as k leave wbtUa la aWU Se reyleal me h , wows as duty
of the 7th WUL IV, mad 1 Vie. tap 1111 mad ether WiltallW Milled fat* eawaseptiou