The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-10-24 00:00:00

considering and designing, and felt an interest in. He thought
he had now disposed of the plans and models, and the ques—
tion, therefore, came simply to the letter of Mr. Laird. His
opinion was, tint the committee should deal with it in this
-Mr. Laird, as a sensible man, and taking a common-
sense view of the subject, felt evidently that it was a matter
for the corporation and not for the dock committee, and he

went, in the first instance; to the proper parties. The finance
corporation tried to get out of it by saying he

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and if the latter body was not careful
took, it might have, the going to Parliament
I the corporation would get out of the diffi-

otion for a middle course, which was suggested

by Mr. Brocklebank, was, therefore, he thought, the proper
-*se to take, It would, then, be for the corporation to take
wive whenever they thought fit. It was a matter for
the corporation altogether. The dipc'.: committee could not

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upon land belonging to the corporation. If the corporation
saw the necessity of improved approaches two years ago, the

necessity was

ea time

er now,

if the corporation were

prepared to go to Parliament with their improvement
bill, then the time would come when a re arranzement of the
property between Prince's Dock and Saithouse Dock should be
taken into consideration, Tile question of impr)ved ap-
proaches to the river would then be also taken into consider-
ation, and he was sure no gentleman could doubt that
whenever that time came, both the corporation and that corn.
mitten would endeavour to work together in the mot perfect
harmony, and endeavour, in• the re arrangement of the pro•
perty, to give the best possible facilities for obtaining an

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approach to the river, which would be thoroughly consistent
with what was required by the town and the commercial inte—
rests of the port. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Evans considered' the plans at present eminently
premature, and that a delay of even trop or three years could

and of dangers and want of accommodation, but all the while

obstacle whatever to the intercourse which had been going on
upon a very large ec Ile. What accidents had occurred ?
When had an accident happened ? They were going to have
another landing-stage, which would divide the traffic in all
probability, and relieve some parts of the town. (gear,
hear.) With regard to the other accommodation,
which concerned rather shipping than anything else,
they had a dock in hand of fourteen acres extent. Only con-
sider a dock larger than the Brunswick Dock, which they would
have, in all likelihood, within a year, or a year and a half. As
to the outcry of want of accommodation, he did not think
any cane whatever had been made out for putting the initiative
upon the dock committee, and he hoped the dock committee
would resist having anything to do with the initiative. If
the corporation afternards came forward, it would be then
quite time enough. With regard to carts and cart horses, that
idea might have answered very well if they had only a river
to deal with, but they had the sea--they had, at least, an
estuary or arm of the sea— and they would very frequently
have the waters there disturbed in a way which would render
it utterly impossible for carts and cart horses to go across. The
convenience of a few individuals on the other side could bear
no proportion whatever to the expense which would be incurred
by the estate. The dock committee were the guardians of
the trade of England. They were not there to enrich either
master tradesmen on this side, or landowners on the other.
They were a body who should keep their attention to that
which the legislature bad entrusted them with, the manage-
ment of the trade of England which entered the port of
Liverpool. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Holme denied that be at all advocated the interests of
the general public of Liverpool, as against those of the dock
estate. He thought they were taking a very narrow view of
the great trust imposed in them, when they looked at the
question in the light in which some members of the com-
mittee judged of it; they would have to look to Birkenhead
as the great workshop of the town of Liverpool, and when the
opportunity occurred for furthering great improvements, he
thought the committee should take care not to fall into the
fatal error of their forefathers, by waiting until property
doubled or trebled in value before they purchased it. As
this was a question upon which neither the dock committee
nor the corporation could work single-handed, he could not
see any objection to Mr. Bold's motion. The time was going
on, and if the committee could not agree to that resolution, it
would be too late for the council to go before Parliament this
year. It was well-known that another twelve months must
elapse before anything could be done, and by that time they
would have nearly the whole of their property on Mann Island
vacant, if they chose to take it into their own hands. He, for
one, did not stand there merely to advocate their present
interests, but he looked to the great and growing wants
of that important port, and he should be very much
deceived, if, within thirty years, they did Cot want every
yard of land from the North-end, right up to the
Dingle, to accommodate the mere shipping interests of the
port. He urged them, therefore, to take advantage of the
opportunity which presented itself, of gaining access to the

Pier-head for the great public of Liverpool, without incum-
bering the dock estate, or running be risk of danger and
accidents. He was quite willing, as Mr. Smith had thrown
out certain observations regarding the model, to pay for it, and
have it considered as his own, and then he would go before
the public of Liverpool and let them judge of it. There was
another interest quite equal to the interest of the dock estate,
and that was the interest of the general public of the town.
The dock committee had, to a certain extent, obsorbed in
their estate very much of the property which had formerly
belonged to the burgesses of the town. They had deprived
the public of access to the Pier-head in a great measure, and
they have deprived the public of the opportunity of bathing
which they had bad, and therefore he contended that the
public had some claim upon them in return. (Hear, hear.)
It was not a mere question of the present time. It was an
opportunity which would benefit the future ; and he thought
that when the model was examined and they found
that, in the very centre of the town, they would
not hive to decrease, but to increase their dock accom-
modation, and when, with the aid of the corporation,
they would have an opportunity of widening the
thoroughfare along the whole line of docks, and of putting
warehouses upon the Prince's Dock, and corn warehouses upon
the George's Dock. They would have no hesitation in going
hand and band with the corporation, not only for the benefit of
the estate, but of the general interests of the public. (Hear,
heat )
Mr. Rankin said the plan did not meet his approbation. lie
urged that the committee should leave to the council to take
the initiative.
Mr. Shand also urged that the initiative should be left to
the council, who, he tbought, appeared to have so far shuffled
it over upon the dock committee.
Mr: Bold, in replying, remarked that the cost of the scheme
would be, in round numbers, £150,000. He contended that
the committee would only have to go for a mere money bill to
Parliament, and need not submit any plans. If, within the
ensuing four months, they could then not make up their minds
as to what the plans should be, he did not think they could do
so in twelve or eighteen months.
The committee then divided, when there appeared for the
amendment of Mr. Bold—Messrs. Holden, Mann, Holme,
Bold. Litt'edale, Anderson, Barber, and Hubback— 8.
Against—Messrs. Gregson, Evans, Rankin, Rounthwaite,
Smith, Mor.del, Brocklebank, Chaloner, Lockett, Shand, and
Turner-11.
Mr. Bold's amendment was therefore lost.

✓
The original resolution was then carried by tho same
majority, with the addition, inserted at the suggestion of
several members, that the committee were ready, at any time
the corporation thought fit, to confer with that body upon the
subject of the approaches to the river.
This concluded the business.

AMUSEMENTS IN LIVERPOOL.

TO TIIE EDITOR Of THE NORTHERN. THIES

---
Sir,—When will Englishmen learn to make their amuse-
ments pleasures? I went to the Theatre Royal on Tuesday
to hear the notorious " Traviata." The seats were uncom-
fortable and scantily cushioned, the building is ill ventilated,
and at the back of the centre boxes is a chamber of darkness.
With this state of things, how agreeable to reflect that, in the
dreary entre acte interval, there is no chance of renovating the

[anal pastime in

purer air, and that your only resource is to stand in a con-
strained attitude, and stare vacantly at your neighbours. I
beg to suggest, through your medium, that each theatre or
opera house should bo fitted with good and cheap refreshment
rooms, a readiug room, well supplied with newspapers, and a con-
venient smoke room ; and, furthermore, that there be twice the
number of doors for egress that there are for entrance. If you
will give your wide spread readers an opportunity of knowing
my grievance, the sentimcts above will find an echo with many
sufferers, whose case publicity alone can ameliorate.—
Yours, &c , PROGRESS
_ _ _

Liverpool, Oct. 22, 1856.

DREADFUL ACCIDENT.—On Saturday last, as a man
named James Sails, of Hales, was assisting with a Steam
threshing-machine, at Earsham Park, he, in attempting
to jump into the feeding-box, mistook his distance, and
jumped into the engine. The works were stopped as soon
as possible, but on the poor fellow being removed it was
found that there was extensive laceration and fracture of
the right leg, severe injuries to the bones of the left foot,
and other dreadful contusions. Mr. Garneys and his son
were on the spot as soon as possible, but found it necessary
to direct that he should be at once removed to the Norfolk
Hospital, where he lies in a very dangerous condition. He
has a wife and four children.
THE TIPPERARY BANS.--A meeting of the depositors in
the Roscrea branch of the Tipperary Joint Stock Bank, was
held on Tuesday, Mr. Rolleston, J. P., of Frankfort Castle,
in the chair, when, after a very stormy discussion, a resolution
protesting against a compromise was adopted, in the follow-
ing terms—" That the depositors of the Roscrea branch of
the Tipperary Joint Stock Bank have learned from the very
best possible sources that the shareholders and contributories
to said joint stock bank are fully solvent to pay twenty
shillings in the pound ; and that we earnestly call upon Mr.
M,Dowell, the official manager, to exert all tlae legal powers
with which he is invested, to obtain for us the full amount
of our deposits, and that this is the only compromise we are
prepared to enter into."