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—the mopes and oldest a the auras wee oph pee-
wee, hadlesert a grab truth, and to *abstain and be e,'
witness of that truth in the earth. _ (Rear, hear.) If that
were tilio shiest of thi church, it followed that there must,
be at all times :Modes of declaring titt that Pisa was
whenever It was ist or denial. if*, with whom
*ft that pow**. lodged, with whom could it be
lodged, • and by whom could that power be adoszntatered ?
Could it be men without the church who could know no-
thing about the points en which questions might seise, or
ems competent authority within the thatch who should
limn the power of judging and decidingui H4a‘ble friend
bad said That endesiestses wore the vitt ages In Eoliths-
deal matters, becalm they knew too m about them. If
ell they had to dowse to decide the grammatical Interpre-
tation of certain words, there was no reason why the mem-
bers of the Privy Conseil should be members of the church ,
of Zeeland, se hie noble friend h.d saggested—they might
se well lave It to Jews to deride. Bet hi. (the Bishop of
Oxford's) argument was, that a certain truth had been dope-
sited is the church—a troth which could not be added to or
diminished by time, that certain bodies had been coast',
tilted a laity and clergy in that church—that certain regula-
tions and articles had been drawn up by the church for
their guidon., and if any particle of that truth—not say
new truth—and here was one of the fallacies of the argu-
ment on the other ride—bet if that truth, as originally en-
treated to the keeping of the church, was doubted, or dig-
=crirsestioned, there was a body within the church to
It, As his noble friend had said, the greatest innova-
tion was time ,• and It was to prevent the innovations of time
thatsuch a tribunal was necessary. He would ask the noble
earl to go beck to former tinsee—to the Nicene council, in
the diffaence between Arian and Athanesius. That
esesecil met to decide what was the meaning of
the word " son." The question was referred then to ec-
liselasti-s, because they wore esclesier les, the question being
one purely connected with the church, and the okusch him
accepted the decision then come to, and had acted upon it
ever since. Bat did Atitemasius on that occasion propound a
new doctrine ? No, but he pr.vented Arian from founding
a new doctrine, and by showing whet was the truth, c-a-
firmed it against the heresy then attempted. And would the
noble earl have that which was so settled at Nice be altered
and rescinded by the judicial committee of the Privy Council,
for the argument would really go to that length ? Theehurch
held that the truth, as laid down, was right, and those who
Were to decide what was laid down were those who bore
office in the church, the part of the laity being to accept the
trash as 83 laid down and decided. He repotted tea: his right
rev, friend behind him (the Bishop of lit. David'e) had cast
aside his respeesibility as an of of the church to decide
lin such question,. lie (the Bishop of Oxford) lecked on his
pceition in the church in the nature of a trust, not for
himself but for others. Be and his brethrt nin the church
were ministers for Christ'. sake and he had no desire to
cut ..side that responsibility which (I el had placed upon
him. (Hear.) It would not do ler trustees to say, "we
will not execute our trusts even in temporal matter., much
len in tpireu el matters " They must not allow this nibbling
away of the truth. If at any time such en innovation en
darge-can it was at this moment. An impa lean of contro',
impatience of all flied principle. of external truth, masons of
the most fearful symptoms of the present day, and if they
deprived the church authorities of the power of deciding what
was right, they would do more to encourage that dangerous
impatience than by any other means. If they dealt with the
truth as a plastic form of moulded clay, which might be im-
pressed with any form at pleasure, they woald find them-
wiles mistaken; for they were Aealing with a living body :
there was life in the church of Christ—the life of eternal
truth. (Hear.) He celled on their lot dships to show rime
de:erence to the vast number of the clergy who wind for
this measure, and not t, do siotnee to the feelings of some.
lot the most conscientious men in this country. it had bon
said that the number of thole who demanded the pr pea.d
charge wee but small ; hut in his own diocese 10 of the
elerry had petitioned in favour of the second reading .-f this
bill. In the same county the L Lieutenant and •grea• per
Ilion of the gentry ; and the subject:had agitated the great
body of the clerey. Their lordships should !remember that
between puritanism on the one aide and It tmani-m on the
other the church of England had always been held to be the
mean, and they should take care bow they injured that
mean by their present decision. He regretted the impetuo-
sity with which the noble marquis bad addressed himself to
the subject on the part of tee government. The noble
martian had, in fact made a declaration of war against eve ry
memoir of the church of England who was not willing to give
up everything most sacred to the church to the decision of a
lay tribunel. As to the supremacy of the crown no man
was more ready to support it rightly understood than be was,
but he toiled upon tee crown not as empowered in the per-
son of the individual wearer to decide on points of &retries.,
but as the ultimate court of appeal embowered to consider
and decide by means of its ametomed agents. Al he
asked wee that the law lords should on points of doctrine
have the assistance of the spirimal judges, for that was the
ancient title of the prelates of England. He besought
their lordships to do an act of simple jiptece to the
church of England. Let them not be led sway by the
, far, that by doing so they would inval date a cer-
tain judgment. Lot them deal with the church of England
generously and largely, go into committee on this bill, and,
the principle once established, all faults of detail might be
easily remedied. He warned them not to alienate from
themselves as a party the whole b idy of the church of E.g.
land. (No, roe) Yes, he repeated, the whole body of the
church; and he warned their 1 trdsh,ps not, by refusing this
bill, to do such an injury to the state.
After a few words in explanation front the Marquis of
LANSDOWNE and the Bishop of OXFORD respictively,
The Earl of CARLISLE cap d his regret that he felt
bound to oppose the motion of the right rev. prelate. In
entering that oppoe.tion he did not wish to be undenteod as
asserting that a.nie modification might not be made at the
proper period in courts of ecclesiastical appeal. He should
not be indisposed at the proper period to make such mem-
bers of the epiecopal bench as were members of
the privy council members of the Court of Ap-
peal, bat he was not disposed to give a second
reading of the present bill with a view of making either of
those alterations. First, because those principles were st vari-
ance with one another, and secondly, they were opposed to
the pr nciple of the bill. After akw other observa-
tions, which were very indistinctly heard in the gal-
-1 lery, the noble earl concluded by expensing his deter-
mutation to vote against the second reading ; and he hoped
that the defeat of the measure would put a stop tofurtber
discussion on the subject
The Bishop of LONDON briefly replied.
Lord CAMPBELL explained that by the bill, se it web
framed, the decision of the court of bishops would be condo-
glee, and the Quoin would have no discretion ; it did, there-
fore, aim a blow at the prerogative of the crown,
The Duke of CAMBRIDGE said he should vote in favour
of the bill. He regretted to find himself op-toted to the go-
vernment, but he actedconscientioudy, and not from factious
or party motives.
Their lordships then divided, when the numbers were :
Content.
Non-contents B4-33
The house then, at half. past 1 o'clock, adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, JUNE 3.
The 8r took the chair at 4 o'clock.
LONDON, EDINBURGH, AND DUBLIN
GAZETTES

On the motion of Mr. Howe, the following returns were
agreed to : Return of the total amount paid for printing
and publishing the London Gazette in each of the years
1848, 1847, 184$, and 1849, exclusive of stamps and paper,
distinguishing the number of sheets composed, and whe-
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whom done, with the average price paid for each
sheet, and the expense for publishing. Also, a
balance-sheet for each of these four years, show-
in., the profit or Nee in each year on the London
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it WIN stating from what funds supplied. Similar return
for the Edinburgh Gazette, for the same period.
And, similar returns, yearly, for the Dubhn Gazette, from the
period when the patentee was paid a commuted allowance.
Accounts of the government establishment of the Royal
Hospital for Seamen at Greenwich, in the year 1849,
stating the several *Moen in the military department
and in the civil breach; the number of peasionen, and
establishment ; the number of superannuated officers, sad
the total expense in the year. And of the monies expended
upon repairing sad extending farm-houses, &c in that year,
exhibiting the same kind of account in detail for 1849 as the
Return, No. 112, of 1840, exhibited for the year, 1839.
POST-OFFICE. LABOUR.
Mr HUME wished to ask whether the government would
assent to the appointment of a committe•, in consequence
of the address to her Majeety, agreed to on Friday last, with
reference to the suspension of the mails on Sunday—(hear,
how)—ln order that evidence might be taken, and it might
be ascertained how far, and at what unifies, the object could
be carried out. (Haar, hoer.) He was sure the noble lord
would excuse his &liking whether, if measures were taken fur
the appointment of that committee as speedily as possible, he
would oppose or support such a committee.
Lord J. RUSSELL mid be could not at present state
whether be would agree to the appointment of suck a um-
, mitts.. If the hon, gentleman would give a notice on the
subject, he would consider whether he could tix an earl y day
for the discussion of the matter ; bet when this could be
dose was of merle uncertain at pr. sent.
PROTECTION TO NATIVE INDUSTRY.
Mr. DISRAELI gave notice that he should this day
present a p.tition from the county of Lancaster, signed by
18,000 landowners mansfuturers. farmers, artisans and
labourers, praying tor, more fair and equitable legislation
with respect to home industry.
REPORT OF THE BOARD OF HEALTH.

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