The Express.
London, England, 1850-03-23 00:00:00

THE FiI'RESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 23, 1850.

not Mika that the shave weans it die legislative
reused, who le eaten with the aftelemied Mahan had
bees the leaders alba popular part, lift hal ihall enjoyed
trftestattairillsol regulation alid
use_ mad wilibigly
• salad dumber, the mbire si IMO skald
= equal power and equal lrepeemila with
eari should each oesurol their seam Now,
the beet mesas of oseerteleing ebei wishes et a aermanity
with regard m • fine et gaseemeat was eeeerliseg to the
Amens& hark to oneseepa a anneenden or essestitseat
assemb!y, sad to let it frame a eerseilaika. Ta. onsiothe
shoal be • aameseue bay; • Masi_ persons peeeeetlai •
low es a be Mr *lire of the whole eme-
se . t amid be ea aameowas aid its membees ere •
body elw have Maw heart la hoar of geati-
Mae ever watther. 'Saudi Mee ao selbs, Seim but
eastitatiea w•
he no other esapedea, Mitaterpolitkal
power. Ile wished to oak • questa al the aelaperd whir*
he hoped ha would distinctly answer. He bed showithea
this bil were serried those would be an immediate struggle
is the legislative council %masa the sleeted sad the semi-
said members. If in this sereggle des elective mashers
were viewless they would pupae a shale dative chamber.
Now, he asked, would the aide kad.easseat that they
should ham • tingle eludes amber ? (Ur, hear.) TW
was a gaieties selthely to be Weight Mhos his, if this bill
pared, that it was h le drat to Ma seede_up his mind epos
it. I. NMI him the„ would he pledge himself to let
time 616111/10 have aa eleetive siagle daubs, if • statics to
that oda were serried la their legislature ? He would mow
pressed to state his ressoas for believing that • legWasion,
ampossd of two illative houses, was the hest fora of go-
verment for • colony. Amiseiting to the theory of repre-
sentative governors* the legielatere ought to be a copy in
mildews of the whole seessounity—that was to say, every
great interest, want, sad feeling should be represented in
the some properties they existed In the whole OMMII-
t.i.y. Now in every oommanity there were two great
opposite esUlaselse— namely, the inavedeg tendeoey_ _
eager for shags and the ve esedeasp, sallielied
with Was as they were. SuetMee leadoneles should
be duly represented la • Wiwi% be if either of
them wore omitted, the mash would be had game-
mat either in the shape of teak. amp, threaten-
in smithy, or stolid hagner, Maas a tit decay
of the body litia. Now.
_diem owl madam peeve that
the teadesey,lades motive, emerged% sad ern
Whim wee apt, tlf whoa eneentrolia, te empire no
undue propeadereses. prairie was how to control the
innovating emideney, without on the ether hand giving pro.
porterage to the ensenative tendency. Could this pro-
blem he estisfestarily solved by means of • single chamber ?
Re awed see, seposially in • coy. tbe 'lngle
chamber must lie an coreneted cat to contain either
sore it the orionatir tendency or more of the lass
main tendency. If it eatained wire of the conserva-
tive tendency, it anal be in freepost opposition
to the more active, enerptie, sad enterprises, potion el the
aanmaity, consequently would seen beams unpo-
pular. Os the other hand, it it contain more of the Isar:o-
vals, tendency, then the only reetrollieg power would be
the pvireor—that was, the Colonial-office' and, if that
controlling power should be exercised, then there would be
a pematesloon ice between the single chamber and the im-
perial government, which, in the beg run, mast always
terminate in the defeat of the imperial 'evenness Their
tine colonial polley was to avoid such conflicts ; not to ally
themselves with one tendency, and thereby insure the
overthrow of the other tendency, but so to commute' the
colonial institutions, that the natural conflict betwesa the
conservative and innovating tendencies should be fought I.
the bosom of three institutions. (Hear, bear.) For that
purpose, theory end experience had shown that the beet la-
stitutions was • legislature compared of two houses, la one
of which there should be more of the conservative ten-
dency, and in the other mere of the innovating
tendency. It had been said lon the part of the Colonial-
office, and in opposition to a snood chamber, that
there were no materials in the Australian colonies out
of which to constitute • mead Anther. This was • strange
position, coming from the Colonial-offies, whieb_PwiPtivid
to establish a second chamber both in New Smith Wales and
in New Zealand. (Hear, hear.) He believed, however, that
position to be perfect/7 true as far as a nominated second
chamber was concerned, and tens not only of the Australian
colonies, but of all Anglo-Sara eorminnities; for they had
too good an opinion of themselves to acknowledge readily
that any min was sufficiently eminent by talent and eighty
to he entit:ed to control the decisions of the representative.
of the people. And if they were to abolish the House of
Lords, there were, he thought, not more than three men In
that country whom the decided opinion of the public would
place in a nominated upper bore. (Cries of "Divide.")
He sweated, therefore, to the patios that there were no
materials in the Australian colonies, or in ay other coked's,
oat of which the irresponsible Colonial-office could fabricate
a notathated upper hour which should command the respect
and cooddenee of the people. But he maintained that it
was a gross fallacy throe to infer that there were no materials
out of which the people could sleet • good upper bowie ( Hear.)
He propmed, therefore, that there should be an elective
second chamber; because, by being elective it would 0310-
mead the matinee and respect of the inhabitants of the
colonies. He proposed that it should be so coastructed that
it should tomtits more of the oonierrative than of the iano-
eating tendency of colonial society. With this object In
view, he asked, whet were the natural elements of the con-
servative tendency which existed in every society ? (Cries
of "Divide.") He answered first, older men were gene-
rally more conservative than younger men, therefore he
proposed the mamba of the upper house should be of the
amp of at least thirty years. (Laughter and " Divide.)
Secondly, he footed that See possessing larger property were
generally more rouservative the* men posesariag melba
property, therefore he proposed that members of the upper
house should have twice the property quiliflcsriou of members
of the lower house. (Renewed cries of " Divide, divide.")
Thirdly, be found that rasa who held their authority by •
tenure of longer duration were less inclined to innovation
than men holding their authority by • tenure of shorter
I duration ; therefore he proposed that the members of the
upper lease should be ousted for nine years certain, or
for nearly twice the period for which the lower chamber b
to be chosen. Fourthly, he found that the innovation
*endear, io its objectionable term, acted generally by
' sudden fits and starts, and was not of long durauoo,
therefore, he proposed that the =ashen of the upper house
should not be elected all of thorn at one and the same time,
but one-third of them should be elected every three years.
' Fifthly, he found that large aremblies were more apt to
yield to the violent perilous end sudden impulse for tenor-
tioa than smaller sesemblies, therefore he proposed that the
number of restaben to the upper house should be much
less than that of the lower house. Thus, he pro-
posed, in order to coastruet a spur house, which
should costar more of the conservative tendency,
as it existed in • colonial misty, that it should
he in compirison to the lower house • smaller Imdy,
coediting ot older man, possessing larger properties,
added tor loupe rated" and sot all cleated at one sad the
mare time. (Renewed cries of "Divide, divide.") Teen, with
an upper house so einstructed, the wallet between the con-
servative and innovating tenderise would take place be-
tween the two houses • ithout referees to the haperlsl go•
vernaiest, sad would be fairly decided sicordir, to the deli-
berate judgment of the whole community. (" Hear, hear,"
sad " Divide.")
Mr. F. PEEL would support Kr. Walpole's amendment.
He felt the imporiblli of producing an aristocracy is the
lookeies would command the sympathies of the
as our own, the gradual growth of centuries, did.
thought that we were laying the mud of future die•
imams sad animosities by the plea for • mixed body, in
whisk the intareele of the elusive sad the 'evaluative per-
igee woad appear at variant* ; at the same time he
thought this tit government could not give up its cheek
mesa the eilledle by entirely surrendering it to an elective
bste Earl of ARUNDEL ad SURREY had been I. fe-
wer of the anteadmeat, but had been ceadneed by the
debate that he ought to support the government plan.
Lord J. RUSSELL prosseded to state what bad been
the earn of the legislative on this abject. In Jaly, 1849,
he had the bower of iatr ideals; a bill containing • prom-
ote& for kasha • Gana In New South Wales, con-
simiag of 86 members, of whom 24 were to be elective, and
the reessisieg 12 to be named by the crown. I. 1842,
Lord 13 who bad la the Interval aneursted to the seals
of the iatrodueed • bill which he stated to be
hessiled an that brought forward by himself, but which he
bed at pmessied with; and, with the =oaths of some
provishime »hang a the franchise, its prisias were in
reality wady the saw as those of the bill of 1840. From that
dme Ss hopresent the omitted= whisk had boa reprenated
as no mama a machine that it said net mat es adios
whelk mamma is principle sad whale it wail
sible to any into sleet I. pallier—this abused,
and I.l.Nrtleeble eratitaties bail been gladly wear-
ies la liow Salk Wales ; cad the people of that today
seemed new to have discovered that there were seek Übe-
mat hale is it as bad bees Moselbed. (Mir, bear.) In
istrodneig the bill it had appealed to Wm a be pr sump.
tia ad hi wee at least • safe came to premed s& Ilia fan-
deans whisk had been already his, sad whia, hitherto,
had net failed. (Hear, hear.) Oa of two Wags mast be
presumed, eitku that the ligisiare whisk they ware thee
esafirmlag in was sae whole woeldibii=:k
kg sem Enema has of t
end .Maths or that the sweat
South
factory le the people of Iderw South Wolin. loot.
Now, oa las fame appeal's_ that the eaelleMisa was
to be aimeede they alai wait nail Ahoy had
heard the peals a the Amebas& solos's@ behei they in-
trados,' • new hem of gamma An oil beam sight
be eat be hallisties, bet to leave it before the plea be •
new ea bad bun premed wail be • mot torso enable
course. (Rear, Wier.) A report of thesesawaell,
written with great ability, sad draft net Nem
'bleb the pavement proposed le aloe the
whisk it was based, was laid base ler iblagy
grounds
the ea
road it May, 1848. la that report alma; win
dwas doe made, sad made with all the Imes
weld be used, In moomsuadiag fee Wigan ask
• Osage is favour of the hie elealima,, All
the anew derived hem oar owe seaditalis% ham the
date of ear laws, and from the ezetaglea of due eassiee,
were sdd.esd in favour of sash • duage ; but it was
added that public opinion la New Meth Wales was
decidedly opposed to an alteratioa of the existing eaueita-
dos by the authority ofprikersell. Meld an=
more obviousthe& that If peddle *mien hthe
coleales were in home of the establiameat of two
dumbest, politica would farineikately after the pableities
of that nput, have hesa ihrwinia, duke* able be the
Mee ; pedlemat h lbe shames saimmeed
He bed, beat ens,
itieseell hail theaas le pea pod-
Ass:zimese etas etashlualls Seem semseala with
t:L. bf loada lifietaffe dairnline
• It was stela that the report of the phy mown to
which he had ahead baying arrived I. Eassisda h esp•
timber lea, Mil been entei there with a Idepli degree el
sathileshat es lalieetili= which wee likely topmast
Imam laughs lhe sad the mother mare.

Tba propendon of the honourable sad loused gents—
aues was not le make m Montle. forte bomb
mane%
abet es Rake as ellseedete la the seastitstion of
aka eabo whisk would be so remanent as it would be
great and serious. The uom was that a legislative
rearl bo scentagsglikim wad mot,
at the
ad of alas ikitode simuld Is semed
der lih. It wee annagat Wt what the you.
and leaned Readtei whit a view to
say opinion or an of ate he
was • panuseat Amp is ihe 0f.41.631e=
Wake. He ptWoind bat then thud be two somedle. ono
a roporlautatin assebbly, the ohm. ereleisting
eilpoinead by tb• tom& New (Led slyfwheei
very mash whether a soundli igpa)atelaintigairdenny end
Ifes;noriagatirtlie veer of stepping/bp bill NM km he
nembly, mid gin to Now
South Wain lithe hos. and lemed gostbelen'opeoCitioa
sowj:Lntod, then meld be ems gbh ; lb*
Wont maabor for Ilenthweelt (Shi
W. libleureolk) bed
popemill a eaten ado he
New heath Wales, of Irbil a sew emenables
of the Wsladve feresed a conikeable pert.
Be psepamg that New Saudi Weiss shad& be Molded Into
Forbin, sad that each of then proven= elleidd Met
than Welshes osusedlin, Ono to go at at the end of
woe )ean, throe at be sad of sin, sad the remising
those et the end of abet years ; sod that are the Inv
Magas sash women should rentais in ler a period of
sins pert Now, Ibare ennead to Me to be Mire ob.
Jestion to this Pruiroal. bet the drat and the sub am sad
whisk appeared to hills to be a MANI °Widen was, that It
was a peopeed anal to New South Webs, sad that they wen
to adept- it 'Moak at the suggestion elan kma biome wit►
end lenewerg On thinners doe Monis Now South Was
ztesewid of it. In the Time i the bob bomb
tint hen legislative abovld blabbed
g-prre—Mms. Now of the amount artist of *MO pro
vines, of the pepajatioa of these provisoes, sad ly
bow many person there might be in each then
provisoes who had 2001. a year is Ind, of all
that they were ono*/ *abaft Aid they might be lore
laying dowa • Oho. reran • [tin might
a shabbier fee us goverment of New South Wiles, sad
Gad Vat la some of these provisoes there ware an mote
this in or six persons qualified to be elected; and they
might be creating a eine mosopoly when they were pro-
faning to saki as deities mull. This appeared to him
a stress fern why they should not adopt sash a plea
without inhumation. Anther °Westin was, that U they
allowed these parsons the right to sit is the legislative
mood whitest say power of diernistion is the crown,
that these perms nominally /domed, sot deriving
their power from the crown, sad deride( It from the
people • ith that reetricies as to the amount of loaded pro-
perty which they Foolmed, they formed se obrareby to New
booth Wake, which would obtain any legislation for the
good of the people. They woes sow to leglelate for New
tiesel Wales, sad so ono should tell him that the adopteon
of the motion of the hes. hart. would sot be to pat power
lab the hands of a tow rich people. The right hoe. googo-
-1 man opposite had another and a tonna plea—bat these
persons should be partly elected and putty uomi sated by
the crows. (" No.") Well, her would sot disease
i that. He would only say that a plan still mars emenliested
than that of the hos. ben. could sot be safely
adopted by that house, and that at leut they ought to have
'some Information before they adopted sash plus. Mush
stress kin been laid, is this debate, on the cos-
ideation of other colonies, but he thought they would be
exosedingly imprudent if they were to adopt these soastitu-
UM of other eremite r • rule for them in the legislation
which
they were about to adopt, because these eons cations,
like our own constitution, hat in many to stances grown up
and pradually the adonis. had become subject to them.
He galled spoil the house, therelon, to adopt the resolution
of the Increment, which all the evidence showed could
be applied without danger to the colony.
Mr. OLADSIONE culled that the constitution which it
was proposed to apply to five colonies existed already in
more this one of them. The very qualified approval of the
governsuat plan which bad bees expressed in New South
Wiles he likened to the plemnre experienced from the sere
cessation of pain. He controverted the assertion that any
lack of materials for an upper chamber would be ax-
le any but the smallest of the five dependencies.
Ltrgd
at the machinery of the penned single cham-
ber, of which twelve out of the thirty-six members
were to be planholders and nominees, it was inevi-
table that the whole legislative power would pnictisally
fall Into the hands of the government. Referring to the
able direction of the new Australian constitution in the
pamphlet lately written by Mr. A. Mackey, and to the re-
port of Dr. Lung, Mr. Oletletone characterised that coesti-
Milton as founded on a false principle ; and stigmatised m
especially fallacious the contrivance for checking the Inds •
coos of democracy in the chamber, by swamping its
independence with nominee votes. The right hot member
then went into a variety of details cor tenting the early
constitutional history of America and some of oar own
eolooles, and (lettered that he awaited with pleasant the day
when some dependency, grown great and free, should effect
its peaceable separation from the moth( r country.
Colonel THOMPSON ipproved of the amendment, but
disliked the emequesure which had been shows by Lord
J. Runt to Sow host it.
The committee then divided. The numbers wen—
For the clause
For the amendment 147-61
Os the motion of Lord J. litissau., the chairman then
reported preemie, and obtained leave to sit regain.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord J. RUSSELL, oa the motion for reeding the order
of the day far the committee on the Chief tillitiele Salaries
Bill, laid it might be movenient if he now stated the coarse
it was proposed to puns with regard to this business of the
hems, and to the adjouranteat of the house to the Easter
holidays. He palpated to allow tha hon. member for Ts-
viatuck to move the committee on the Duchies of Lassoester
sad Corswall the first thing en Monday next, before the
other orders of the day ; then be proposed to take a vote on
account of the ordnance estimates, u ft would not be
possible to take these estimates wail alter the expired= of
the financial year. He intended to move those estimates on
the Bth of April, when the ►euse met after the holiday..
It would be notary for the house to sit on Tauday
next, to receive the report of the committee of supply;
but se most of those hon. members who had notices on
that paper had intimated that they were prepared to post-
pone them for that day, and se several hon. gentlemen
would be anxious to leave town as that day, if the house
rose early, he proposed that the house should meet oa Tues-
day at 12 o'clock at noon. (Hoar, bear.) He would
postpone the Chief Justices Salerno Bill till Monday.

DISTRESSED UNIONS (IRELAND). •
Yr. GROGAN asked whether this htll would eau on ea
Yowls, ?
Lard J. RUSSELL had ..o objective' to postpone it until
the Thursday tollowiag.

PROCIa AND PRACTICES (IRELAND) BILL.
The lessee west into enniesittee on tele bill, sad
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL having obeyed the (met-
tles of deeps. _ _

111 f. GROGAN 'Boded to the Lee of some of the often
of the essay, who claimed compeaastion, and moved the is-
trelsodea of words grastintesoapirmatioa. states that
is seem Mantes pollen's d had an annuity equal to the
salary "WY others were now paid.
The SOLICITOR-ORNERAL scold amide to the intro-
duction of the words, bat did not deny that them were oases
in which they ought to restive eompeation. The house
had determined en sever giving la ileums L as set of par-
liament kW eempeseetion to all pumas whom came we re
.L.. e& He hed rehmed it to the Tromery, sad, in
future, whatever aempeenaties might be grant( d most be
regulated by the Tharp
Mr. RRYNOLDS..4O to the body of am knows as
°man said amessise arks, who were paid by *Moe
aimaik mod set paid salaries, the elates, is its t shape,
would net give that elms of mew full i . He was
deans to hear whether it was in d they should be
re d without ocespemshos ?
CtOLICITOR-GENERLL was 'sale to fare aa
opinion whether these gentlemen were entitled to aspen-
alas seam, but he thought it possible there might be some
etas which fairly naiad the, to compeasation. The
Chancellor of the imbequer, at hie request, had put in the
word ensploymest," so that if they were really entitled
to ecispenteation, they would receive it.
Mr. RBYNOLDS said that all he asked lathe capes.
Lao given to English °Maw* under similar eirenneranews.
The SOLICITOR•ORNBRAL said that the provisions
la the Bella act, referred to a totally aims' gam of
akin. _ _

Tbselause wu this oared to, ilo boom raramod, and
lb* bill ordered to be ropoetod.

FACTORIES BILL.
This bill west through ocossaltteoprofoross.
_ NATIONAL GALLERY IN EDINBURGH.

On tiTssOtlins of Bir W. o.ERliti,l;;;;wasgTeen to
bring in a Dill for the erestion, on the Karam )Load, in
t►e city of Idlabargh. el buildings fora national gallery, and
mbar purposes sonneeted therewith; and with tbo promotion
of the fist arts in Scotland.