The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-22 00:00:00

THE HOCHE

The Werra' of LiFilDdi'Yeesid he now roes to
nine " the app.iintrant of a sekct eanatittee to inquire
wnether an improvement can be made in the sassing ar-
rangements of the bowie, so as to afford better aernimoda-
Son for amcamadors and =Whim of foreqrn powers who
may desire to be present at its &balm." it. was under-
stood to say that dreams:snots had OZVIIITeI which rendered
it ',toadies% to make this provisioo. On a late occasion there
appeared to lave been rouse misuadtretan.liog, iuto which
he did sot wish more paricululy to enter than to
state that, having had communication with a
vs ry animal person who was in the peeresses'
salary on Illandly eight, sod who, under a recent order of
the Loose. had so strict right to in there, he thought it doe
to that penes to say that he bad entered that gallery under
the impression that ha had sect right. (Hear.) Two cir-
cumstance, wanaated this belief: be *Ai a!mittel by the
othzers of the how; and on entering, he saw ascribed over
the door leading to that seat. "For ruses and the corps
diplomatiqus." (Hear.) He had gone into that place
under the imprimis' that it woe his place ; and is remain-
ing, he themes that ha was only doing his duty to the
station he occupied and to hie sovereign. It was right that
the repteeentatives of foreign powers should have the ideas-
ages which they enj,yed in other creintriet, and should be
admit ad to that boom noon triendiy terms, sad in a manner
agreeable to their feelings. (Hew.) On these grouude, he
logged to move the appointment of this committee to con-
sider in what part of the house the :matinee se-mbere of the
sorArclip:oemoiqu: might bo accommodated.
BROUGHAM said he entirely agreed with his
noble Bind, sad wished to second the mottos in token of
that &greenest Hie lordship made sins remarks, piztly
apologetic and partly ezpimatory, of his own conduct oa
Holiday evening, in procuring the expulsion from the gallery
of a distinguished represent ..eve of a foreign court. In the
course of his addrime the sable lord drew a distinction between
the respect to be paid to an ambassador, woo represented his
sovereign, and an envoy, who represented only a minister.
He complained that his demeanour on the scresioa in ques-
tion had been mat grossly mierepremated is language the
least decorous he had ever seen.

Earl GREY thous/lit it du t to the distinguished person
the subject of this coovercation to say that he knew ae did
not understand that he was appealed to, as the noble sad
learned lord had staled, to make room for ladies from fettl-
ing. of conr.esy. (Hear, hear.) He knew, on the ear
Wary, that, rightly et wrongly, his itni,mession wee that he
was sammoned oat of the piece where he was sitting in sash
•at suite that he thought it dae to the body to whom he
helaigsd to decline to go oat. He (Lord Grey) had before
him we order made by the house ; and he certainly took
shame to himself be r.tr: suggesting to their lordships that it
was an order which, ander the circumstances, ooght not Ims
be made. (Hear, hear.) It did not then strike him, as it
ought to have mock him, that the order was one
which, ander all the circumstance", ouch! not to be
made. But he knew that the gentleman in question did rot
conceive that an appeal had been made to him to do what the
noble and learned lord said any gentlemen here or numbs*
would do, whether he were nghtly or wrongly in his place.
Had such as appeal been made in that manner to him, he
alinaLly would not have kept his Net. (Hear, kw)
After tame conversation, in which the Marquis of Lon
DONLIIKUY, the Marquis of BRIADALBANI, and other note
lords took part, the committee wee aceminated.
PIRATES' HEAD MONEY (REPEAL) BILL.
On the motion of Earl ORLY, the Commons' amendments
to the Lords' amendments is this bill, were considered and
growl to.
INSPECTION OF COAL MINES.

The EarIofCARLISLE introduced a bin to provide for
tae isopectioa of *QC saints, which was read a first time.
The Court of Ctssitury (Ireland) Bill was brought up from
tba Commons, and read a first time.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE introduced a bill for con-
tinua), till 1833 the provisions of wana act the title of which
was not heard.—lt was read a first time.

Dail. lordship adjourned at a quartos to 7 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.--Famer, JUNE 21.

TM firms.= took the chair at her o'eltorii.
PRIVATE BURMESE.
WESTMINSTER-BRIDGE.

On the motion for bringing up the report of the select
committee en Weetminster-bndge
Sir K. INGLIS complained that the parties bad been
allowed by the committee on 'tending orders to proceed with
the hill foe improving, amending, or repairing Westminster-
bridge, without due compliance with the standing orders.
Tour years ago he was one of • omensittee which sat on this
sables, sad that committee unanimously came to a decision
white was entirely at variance with the report of the present
committee; for they declared that the foundations of the
bride* wen originally vicious, and could never be perma-
nently meted. Bet by the present bill it was proposed to
take the foundation's they [now were, to build upon
them. Be did not sow wish to prevent the reception of the
mput, but oa the seat stage hs should either divide the
house ageism the bill, or would move that it be referred to
a "sleet emmeittee.

- Mr. Nor PAfTIiN mild that all the select committee bed
dews was to allow the subgest to be take lass etheidaratios
by • casamittee ef tM house. The reams =Aped by Um
estate el the Wastewater-bridge trustees lie ecthiag be.
gm thalamus% at ea late a period of [h. Mika was that
the bridge bed base Mathis, day by day foe the lest sis
moatha, sad that is was nemeses, that some menus
should be takes to repair the Grath The report of the
maladies *then sommittee would thew kis hen. friend that
takethey bad
warmishMhos every precaution &plait any party being
a by
After mom thavesestion the report was received.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
GEBBCE.—TH s MINISTRY.

Mr. HUME gave nonce of the following amendment to
the stenos of the boa. and Isernsd amber for Sheffield—
" to Wee oat all the words after the word • that; with the
view of sabstitaties the following words 'taking into eon-
aideraties the general policy of bar Mahety's Winkler'
seder eireunelmes eldiffieWty, this bones lad opinion that
on the whole it la ealeolated to promote the Mt interests of
the ostiatry, sad, tbersion, deems it undies& he esstbass
hi salidenis i• her Majesty's Waiters.* ' (loodool down
sad laughter has the opposition.)
SMITHFIELD MARKET.
Is reply to Mr. Fir:aut.
L..rd J, RUSSELL amid that the goverment were
&aims of carrying late egret the report of the imainicis-
en, sad • bill woe orderid to ba prepared is the Hemedlise
es the gabfest. (Hoar, hear.) At lio mom time 100
NOM that it would he anassary to maissniestsbilig
voodoo is tio City bolas *ay maid sok the few to moat

to the bill in the shape in whisk b Meaeopoesd M kilo.
deer it.
EXAMINATION OF MILITARY OFFICER..
Col. REID wished to ask the estretary at Wet, is refo-
rests to • eiremlar roma hosed teem the Rom Guards
regarding the Istare of liestemente eM soptaissof
the army, whether too educational essmisatice to which
dimes emit rank are to be hereafter eubjmoted, will be
eondsetted by civilises or by a board of military officers • whe-
ther taws who may be erevisg or have served abroad; sad
who may have bees so aides. are to be &slued mike foe
promotion, ualme they poems, a knowledge of ° Euclid,
algebra, logarithms*. trigsbometry, mensuration, geogrephy,
end history"—(laughter) ; whether efficient who Isere rises
from the ft :Ms are to undergo Me prescribed examination
mad in what manner it is intended that the exentiaers shall
be raid.
Mr. FOX MAULE said that the examination in mist-
'am to the promotion of ensign' or second Ileutenaata to
the rank of lientensnt, was to be • Strictly profewional ciae,
and would, of mune, be eonducted by. professional men la
the army. With regard to the promotma of subalterns to
the rank of captain, the examiastioaa to which they were to
be subject would rot Wm place till alter Judy, 1862. Alter
that period, am at present advised, all °Moen seekleg pro.
motion from the rank of subaltern to that of captain, would
be subject to the ',initiation laid down by the Commander-
in-Chief.

Colonel REID said that the army was anziests to know
whether the examinsuons which were to take glass in 18,52
were to be conducted by civilians or military °Moen ?
Ur. FOX MAULS odd it was 'oddest for the army to
know they must he possessed of knowledge such as would
justify the promotion sought, and it we of little importaLce
by whom the *laminations were made. All that was neces-
sary was that the otticeis should perfect themselves in the
knowledge required.
Colonel HELD gave notice that he weeld briog the
whole subject before the house on the army estimates.
(Hear, beer.)
In MIMI? to Mr. Hymn,
Mr. FOX MAULS was anderstood to say that the regu-
lations would be published as speedily as possible.
TRANSPORTATION 10 PORT PHILLIP.
Mr. ADDERLEY et4hed to ask the Secretary of State
for the Home Department, whether it is the intention of the
government to send any more convicts, with or without
tickets of leave, into the district of Port Pnillip ; or whether
the last despatches have not assured the inhabitants of that
district that, in consequence of the disinclination ezpressed
by the legislative council of the colony, no more convicts
should be sent there; also, whether the government still de-
stine to revoke the order in council naming New South
Wales is a plate for receiving convicts.
Sir G. GREY said that the last despatch on the subject
was dated the 16th of D.c , 1549, and in that despatch it
was stated by Lord Grey that, after the convicts which
were then on board the Moreton were landed, no more
convicts would be sent to New South Wales—which in-
cluded Port Phillip—as such appeared to be the wish of the
legislative council. The same despatch set forth the grounds
which made it inadvisable to revoke the order in council, sad
those grounds still remained be force.
EXAMINATION OF LUGGAGE AT DOVER AND

FOLKESIuNE.
Kr. MACKINNON wished to put the following qtteition
to the Right Hoc. the Secretary to the Treuury :—Whether
the facility may not be afforded to pimento's landing at
Editing"' and Dover of proceeding by the train' with their
luggage without impediment or dslay, by having their
trunks examined on board previously to their disembarka-
tion, or by a Custom-house itficer being in imendance at all
house( the day or night for that purpose ?
Mr. HATTER said the: cuminunicatOnas had takes place
on Ude subject between the Treasury and the Commissioner*
of Customs, the result of which wu that arrangements hid
already taken place, or would be speedily made, the effect
of which would be to nave passenger from the mason.
venience to which they were heretofore ezposed—(hear,
hear)—and to enable ad persons arriving at the porta of
Dover or Folkston, to proceed by the night mail train
without delay or impediment.
TREATMENT OF MR. SMITH O'BRIEN.

Mr. MONSELL begged leave to put the following ques-
tions to his right hoe. friend respecting the treatment of Mr.
S. O'Brien. Whether Mr. O'Brien was allowed to procure for
kinuell. it his own expense, sub articles of food and clothing
as, though they could sot be provided by the government,
were necessary for a persos in the position alibi in which Mr.
O'Brien had been brought up ; whether he was plan ,d in
solitary confinement; and whether every person on the island
wee prevented, under pain of removal, frum Lolding say inter-
mune exc,pt such as was unavoidable, with him ; who.
that the pass-holder wee not removed on its being disco- '
trued that he came has the neiehbourhood of Mr. O'Brien ;
sad whether, atter his health was restored from the relax-
wino which wee said to uses taken place, he would again be
placed is a post:bit which experience had proved to be den-
serous to his health, if sot destructive Ohio life.
Sir 0. GREY said it was quite imp.slible for him to
eater into the minute detail. of the treatment to which one
individual wee subjected out of sums thousands, who having
been sentenced by the laws of their country to transporta-
ties, were now undergoing that punishment. (Har, hear.)
The right bon. baronet te..en ailu 'ed to the refusal of Mr.
Smith O'Brien to accept a ticket of leave in hie arrival at
the colony, mil stated that the r, gular alternative under
those eircomatences would be to put him in the same position
as other c32v,ct% sad to 'object him to bud labour. But a
more lenient course of proceeding wa adopted towards ham.
He had been remosed to Maria Island, where he had good
quarter., was relieved from coercive employment, was
allowed liberal latices, and permitted to take exercise be-
tween sunrise and sunset within 2W yards of his abode.
He bad drawn a liberal allowance of tea, coffee' and sugar.
Oovernmeot had acted with toe utmost forbearance
and that he was afraid the only cause that could be urged
against them was that they had acted with too much
leniency. (Cheers.)
•UJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

It yes Zgis;kititittiisllota•at itsTulaitCo:a adjourn
till Mouday.

WESTMINSTER SEWERS.

Lend DUNCAN wished to know from the fint coainds-
skater wkethes in had gine permission to the commissioners
of sullen to erect the ugly chimney that was being built is
Terliansent-prdeca, sad what security there was that when
it was no longer required it would be speedily pulled doers ?
Lord bEYHOULL said that the act of parliament gave
very eatemive powers to the commissioner of sewers. They
could do what seemed fit to them for the purpose of im-
proving the sewerage of the metropolis, and "any person"
interfering with them was liehle to various penalties.
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The interpretation dame
was so worded that In believed the Queen herself was in-
eluded in the word "person.' (Laughter) Under these
circumstances he must decline to interfere with them.
(Laughter) The chimney, he hoped, would be only required
for a short time, but on that subject he could say nothing with
certainty. (Continued laughter.)
)(r. OSBORNE wished to know whether any plan had
been submitted to the commission of fine arta on the
subject, with a view of gothicising the chimney, and bring-
ing it into harmony with the new house* of parliament.
(Laughter.)
Lord SEYMOUR said be must refer the hon. gentleman
to other authority oa that point—(laughter)--as he was not
a member of a coassimion of fine arts.

In reply to Lord Duscax,
Viscount EBRINGTON stated that the chimney would
be probably required for four months. The whole estimate
of the sewerage from the sanctuary, Westminster, to l'ercy
Wall, was 13.3341.
Sir B. HALL mid he found bye return which had been
laid belong the house respecting the receipts and expendi-
ture of the Commi‘elonen of Sewers, from the 6th of Jan.
to the 31st of December, 1849, that their receipts amounted
to 71,6231., and their expenditure to 85,3451, being en ex-
am of exeenditure over receipts of more than 13,7001. Out
of this sum only 60,0001. was expended on works, the sepa-
-1 ens of management being 22,4001. On another ocasion the ex-
penditure had been 37A41., and 17,00 W. for management,
being 27 percent. in one ease, end percent. in another case,
for management ezpeases. Tee question he wished to ask
the noble lord (Ebringtos) therefore was, whether the
number of plans which they had before them the esamis-
ahem had determined as any one piano( sewengpUrhe
metropolis; whether the expenses of nianagemeat Were
about to he reduced, and if not, whether the commissioners
woeld consider the propriety of giving up the management
of the duties hitherto performed by them into the hands of
persoas who would be responsible to the rate payers of the
metropolis.
Lord EBRINGTON stated in reply that as regarded the
financial condition of the Sewerage Commission be would
take an early opportunity of explaining it to the house. In
reference to the plane, he should say they had to consider •
great number of these that bad been sent in, and their con-
sideration muted considerable delay. They were still unde-
cided upon, but he thought that in a week er fortnight the
commissioners would be prepared to announce their final
views as regarded the drainage of the metropolis. (Hear.)
ADMIRALTY (IRELAND) COURT.
Kr. STAFFORD wished to know from the right hon.
gentleman the Seentary for Ireland why the returns which
he had stored for ea • previous occasion, in reference to the
Coast of Admiralty (se we understood the hon. gentleman),
had not been laid on the table I He was anxious on the
matter, as rumour spoke of the necessity of reforming that
court.
Si, W. SOHRRULLE said that if the hen. gentleman
had previously gives him notice he would have tensed in-
quiry to be made In the matter. However, he thought If the
hoc. gentleman made inquiry in the Irish-offiee upstairs he
would be to get the returns, as It occurred to him (Sir
W.lfiesarnelle that he had seen them then.
THE EW HOUSES OP PARLIAMENT.

HUME rid he Ilad letely submitted to the house the
propriety of appoiatiat a committee respecting the new
ileum of parliament. The hoses did in comply with that
proposition, bet sines flute it had agreed to a separate sem-
slime. Now, he wished to know from the noble lord who
moved the appetizing of that committee what were to be
its duties, and whether the present ctoonamodation afforded to
sasaben of that home in the Home tot Lords wee to be taken
late consideration by them ? At pretest there were only
36 or 40 meats is the wow House of Lords set apart for the
member. of the Commess, and he therefore wished to know
If that deficit's, wee to be taken into oossideratien by the
eraultise. (Hoer, hem)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated in
reply that the moral areemsodation of the houses of par-
benne was to he takes Into consideration by the cestraittee.
GREAT INDUSTRIAL EXHIBITION.—HYDE
PARK.
Lord SEYMOUR stated, la reply to the question of an
hon. gentleman whose MISS we Gould not secertaia, that it
was not mended to eat dews more trees than had bean
Weedy cat do ia Hyde Park.
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE wished to know from the noble lord
at the bead of her Ifelesty's goveeameat, or from the right
he.. bonnet the Betester7 faltolaad, Whoa 11 was proposed

to ge ea with the Lanai gateman& DM, with • view to
Ina es diseuseloa risottos eisamakess. Ulna esseatial that
libe anew shoald be aseaseed la that home s and there-
he wished to Ws it whether they were to
Isaias bill or sta (11••321.1
Lad J. 110881 ILL wee sadism's' te stele is slyly that
caste sgs fit we any day IMAM& lintirmaxilllniell.
• NATIONAL EDUCATION D).
On the question that the home resolve itself into
committee Only.
Mr. NEVIDfi ATE begged te puma a petition from
Issamingtoe, praying lot an alterat the existing eye-
tut of sellout *dustiest fa Ireland.
Mr. HAMILTON thes rese to submit the following pro-
position to the house:
That es hismble Ahem be pressand ts bee en that
she will be maim* pleased to deemest sea a of the
eresses of nine* Wrenn to bird isser he Ma in EV mom
thseameismansagnienne wadi a au uspernee of the dafttS
and ishon dieseMbilsholl densh eshielei ie lid vase as at
perm mrdsi tale s ereasewla Met mean be Mina to
easels Olsen the =l2l Ulu el the enstiseed eirmek who
eauresiamsliseasslandemingeenee, be eschminstesideste Use*
uwel seunne is
Me amid the subjset was of great Impentemse, aad W-
asted very materially • letie sad homiest dem is this
woolly, as wall se la Inked. ilia 'Wet wee to
Hate, or rather to rotate to all DM" the Medi*
and injustice under which 1,73 D set sr SAN alsesysisa of
the established shared in Ireland, so well es a bogs member,
more than 100,000 of the laity of that shwa VIM suffering
in the matter of education ; to represent to the hones the
anomalous and objectionable position in which the
church In Ireland was placed as regarded the sub-
ject of education, and to call on the house to
apply such pronto to the government, as would induce
them to remedy the evils complained of. (Hear, hear.) Ile
Mil ready to admit the difficulties with which the question
of education in both countries was surrounded, par-
ticularly in Ireland. In consequent)e of these difficelties,
great sacrifices of opinion bad lately been made on the
subject of education. Formerly education was, In •
great degree, considered as associated with the established
church ; bat the system of state education which at
present prevailed, was entirely denominationaL (Bear,
hear) Since 1838, when the state interfered through
regard for the conscientious feelings of the dhseaten, the
education of the children, according to the formularies of
the established church, had been much absodoned ; and
lately, in deference to the opinions of the Roman catholic.,
further concessions bad been made. Therefore he thought
he was justified in Baying that the present system was do.
nonaiaatioeal—(hear, hear)—beauty the utmost toleration
was practised towards all religious denominations. (Hear,
hear.) In 1847, the last year in which a return had been
made of the number of schools, it appeared there were
4,088 schools under the national system, 2,605
of which were under the patronage of Roman
catholic clergy, 384 under the patronage of picsbyterisa
clergy, and only 96 under the patronage of the clergy of the
established church. (Hear, hear.) Now, who could doubt
that in the 2,605 schools wader the patronage of the catholic
clergy the doctrines of that church were strictly taught and
enforced, to the exclusion of the protestant clergy tram the
management of thus schools ? (Hear, hear.) Ile (Er.
Hamilton) lately presented a petition signed by no less than
1,730 of the protestant clergy of Ireland on the subject, in
which they declared it was impossible for them to give their
conscientious adhesion to tee system • and another petition
which presented, signed by 71,000 laymen, gave *spree
sion to the same deliberate opinion. Now, putting a-side all
party considerations he would put it to the fainters and justice
of the house—seeing that in England every religious deno•
natation was allowed to avail of every system
of rinution if matters should be allowed to
re main in that way, and that the elergy of the established
church should be thus virtually separated from all control
in the management of the system of eduntioe ? In the
Church Education Society, at prnent supported be volun-
tary contributions, the number of schools was 1,881, being
attended by 120,000 children, 44,000 of whom were Roman
catholic, sad 14,000 dissenters. The clergy of the esta-
blished church in Ireland, mindful of the great principles of
the Reformation, one of which was that every individual
should have the uncontrolled right to examine the Holy
Scriptures, were anxiour to have that system car-
ried oat; but the national education intern' in
checking that examination of the sacred writings, acted
inconsistently, in the opinions of the clergy, with the great
principle of the reformation, and if they countenanced
that system they wculd not alone be acting inconsis-
tently with that principle, but also with the vow taken by
them at ordination. (Hear, hear.) Now, what was the
plea set up by those who favoured the existing system
Parental authority. (Hear, hear.) But the government
were aware that tee objections to the system of national
education were not confined to the established church. He
(Mr. Hamilton) always taought that if the national system
were to be carried out to the letter in Ireland it became •
latitudinarian system, which was as repugnant to the coned-
'shoos opinions of Rusin Catholics es of protestant).
(Hear, hear.) Many Roman Cathohcs in Ireland were op.
posed to the national system ; and where they at all ap-
proved of it was where it existed denominationally. (Rear.)
lie implored the government to reconsider this question.
Tney might depend upon it that it would have to be re-
considered some day; it was impossible that the existing
system could continue. The Irish church lied a right to
freedom of instruction, which was one of the most important
and essential functions of a church.
Mr. WALPOLE acid he had great pleasure in second-
ing the motion—first, on the griund of jus..ice, and secondly
ea that of policy. As an act of judos it was due to a lay al,
faithful, and devoted set of men that the assi.tence which
was extended to others so liberally should not be withheld
from them. As regarded the question of policy, he tirinty
believed that the very system of education which the
government wished to establish would be better carried out
by their conceding then by their refusing what was now
asked. As regarded the justice of the case, it should hs
borne in mind that they were now undertaking the great
national duty of educating the people of this country, not
merely through the medium of public institution., but also
by the aid of the n &done! funds. That being so, it was posi-
tively incumtent on them to see that the principles ca
which they proceeded were perfectly fair, sound, and just ;
and when they had ascertained thee. principles they were
bound to apply them equally and equitably in every part of
the kingdom. The policy which they bad pur-ued with regard to
England was totally different from that which they had pur-
sued with 'egad to Ireland. The syrem adopted in Eng-
land was based on religious foundations; that adopted In
Ireland, if not based upon, had resulted in the esclusina
' of religion. Whea it was proposed, some years ago, to
establish in this country a united system, like the national
einem of Ireland, the government resisted the attempt, al-
leging that any such system most necessarily fail in this
esentry. The government:were giving to dissenters in Eng-
land a part of the public funds for educational purposes, while
ft was refusing such auistanc• to the members of the Mob-
/lan church in Ireland. Could such a system be just, and
if it were not just, ought the House of Commons to
auction its continuance? (Hear, hear.) In the church
schools an united system of education had been carried out;
and, whilst in eleven•twelfths of the national schools licked
instruction hail not been secured, what was the result with
regard to the church ochoolsl In the year 1839 the number of
church schools was 1,825; the number of children on the
rolls was 43,627, of whom no less then 10,868 were Reams
mitholic children. In 1844 the number of schools had nearly
doubled; the number of children on the rails was 104,968,
of whom 13,668 were children of protestant dissenters
and 32,834 children of Roman catholic.. In 1848, when
were made the last returns, there ware 1.861 church schools,
and 120,202 children, including 14,713 children of
protestant dissenters, and 46,367 children of Roman Whelks.
Su that in point of fact nearly a moiety of the child-
ren belonged to the Roman catholic population of
Ireland. (Hear, hear.) There was nothing unreasonable
in the principle 'for which he was contending; it was hued
on policy, equity, and justice. (Cheers.)
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that, feeling that this Mil-
lion, if saocessial, would have the effect of superseding the
existing system of national education in Ireland, he felt
bound to oppose it. That system was professedly, end in his
opinion really, a united system. The hon. gentleman (Mr.
Hamilton) must be aware that there had been
Wiese abortive attempts to establish in Ireland
▪ systole of 'deaden which would enlist in its
behalf the vast majority of the people, and that it was
met till the present system of education was introduced
by Lord Stanley, to whom the country was on that recount
ceder the greatest obligations, that the object was attained.
TM existing system had now been in operation for upwards
of 18 years, and bad extended its roots far and wide. There
were now thousands of schools, and hundreds of thousands
of scholars were receiving the benefils of education In the
national schools. (Hear.) At present the scriptures were
set assisted, they may be and constantly were read In these
bet the rule was that no child should be
Mae
the scriptures or to attend any species o;=
imlesseien without the consent of its parents. Though that
Will sm compulsion it was no exclusion. The este-
prahlon was the modification which the hcia paths-
man would have introduced. (Hear, hear.) The moment
they introduced compulsion into the system; at that moment
the system would fall to the ground, because respect to UM
rights of conattienee was the toandatioe on which the @yam
was founded. The modification which was propelled wadi
have the effect of destroying the present system ead abed-
toting for it • national system of education ie Ireland,
which he hoped the house would long pause before they
gave their unction to. It was unfair to say that this was a
system which excluded the bible. The snood part of the neo-
lades seemed to suggest that instead of the present system
they should sabstitate a deanainational opium. That wee the
word which the hos. member used. He (Sir W. Somer-
ville) was of opiates that the present was preferable to any
such system. If they were to have • separate system ss re-
waded the established church, they, should also have it as
regarded the Roman eathelies and thspresby teriens ; and it
was not clear that they maid set be obliged to continue the
great to those who were in favour of the united prineiple.
In such a case what would become of the poor prelates**
WWI 1111111 thinly MIAMIId over she western portion of bil-
ked t How could )bey Wiest funds to wisest* a halt.doma
preesetaats here and aims I Me did set Weis that sash •
irks' would be
be "wider. le the peoplepeoplein Ireland, or
wield aMeslated to s ve • real or sound educiatioa. Ha
cesisiled by ehmireig that it was absolutely essential, non
eideries ell the seed that had bora done by upholding this
=Tmid bow pr were better educated under it,
o boas should mess% to the resolution of the
boa. member, but should jibe him In opposing it (Chows.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE, fa of the resolution, said
that ha was of opinion that their agresing to it would not
preclude them front adopting some system by which those
who at preseat enjoyed the government assistance would
continue to enjoy iL It was It that belief that he sup-
palled the proposition of the hon. member for Dublin.
Mr. E. STANLEY opposed the motion, and defended
the national system as introduced by Lord Stanley in 1831
spinet the objectless of Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Walpole, and
Mr. Jiewdegate, who, he observed, were somewhat at

thrisees. In inmaiderieg this subject, it was necessary to
hupdre Into the system which wee that espereedad, sad, ea
the other hand, whet system it wu plumed to substlinto
if the uational mtem was abolished. With the diet view,
he addued meth 'videlicet respecting the Mete of the edam
den question prior to 1831, sad the ill offset of compulacery
=rreading in the Kildaroatzeet Schools, whines he
ed that the system prior to 1831 could net be de-
(sada He then examined the only 'theme that mold be
proposed as a substitute tor the present system, whim! bad
y better that asp ether, sad that solemn*
he comaideriedtv"l icable end usiteeirable.
Lord J. MANNERS supported the motion, which he
would net do ii he thought it would destroy or endanger the
national system. He denied that to be a combined system,
or that a sombieed system of education mild, a priori, find
favour in Ireland. If the house screed to the motion, they
would set supsrude the net( eisl system, wh,let the conces-
sion would conciliate a loyal and peaceable bxly of her
Melesty'e subjects la Ireland.
Mr. W. FAGAN, though agreeing that the distribution
of educational grants is Ireland up= the tome principle es
in Busload was prima facie reasocable, believed it Mould,
he the centmettutose of the tomer young, be exceedingly
dangarou The national oyster, as it thist..d, was the only
system of education adapted to these peculiar circumstances,
and under that system the religion et every child was shun.
dandy :provided for. He opposed the motion, though he
admitted the proposition to be • reuonable one.
Sir W. VERNER defended the motion. Ile denied that
the Kildarihstnet Society's schools were disliked by the
Roman Catholics; and he saw no evidence that the national
schools bad improved the character sad habits of the people.
The members of the church of Ireland desired only equal
justice with the Roman catholic*, and that a portion of the
public meaty should be applied to the education of their
children.

Mr. HEALD explained the grounds upon which, as a
nonconformist, he supported the motion, and he repudiated
the argument that the church of Ireland had sufficient
resources in its own funds. The great question of education
should be dealt with upon the denominational principle.
Lord J. RUSSELL said—Sir, the object now brought be-
fore us is, I think, sufficiently important and sue
firiently difficult, to inducts to not to mix up with
it any question in regard to the church esta-
fishmeal et Ireland. (Neer, hear.) The question now before
us concerns a system of education which is aided and sup-
ported by grants voted in this house and collected from the
taxes paid generally I,y the people of the United Kingdom,
and therefore is one totally apart from any question that
may be stated or made the subject of debate in regard to
the church establishment of Ireland. (Heer, hear.) With
respect to this question, then, I should say that in the first
place, in dispoatog of these grants, as a matter of justice we
ought to make the besefido of the education we so aid as
ostensive as possible. (Hear, bear.) We ought to diffuse
as widely as possible, among the children of Ireland, the
benefits of the education we propose to aid by these grants,
and, sir, I think it would not be a fair or a just application
of the funds thus derived from the general taxes of the
country if we were to distribute them on any narrow or
exclusive principle. (Hear, hear.) But, in the next place,
as a matter of policy and expediency, I should say that it
beu wish your grants to be useful; it you wish to diffuse the
nelle(ofgeneral iostruction—the benefits of secular learning,
of moralityand religion as widely as possible amongst the peoples
of Ireland—it should he tour object to have such a system as
will not provoke opposition or jealousy at its commencement.
(Hear, hem.) And you should endeavour to avoid all rules
and regulations which could induct a suspicion that you are
attempting to convey: that which Is the largest, the
most numerous, and at the same time the poorest
fart of the population of ;Ireland to that religion
which hula its hands the greatest proportion of the power of
the stets in this country, which is the richest in Ireland, and
by the endewment and otherwise is most likely to use that
power and that weight for the purpose of proselytising.
(Hear, hear.) Therefore, air, both on the ground of justice
and policy, it you mean to be just and fair to the people of
Ireland, and to diffuse am apt them the benefits of ethics-
tith as widely as possible, it is your bounden duty to avoid
giving your grants coupled with such conditic ns as may Is.
duos a belief that in proposing to promote education you',
mean to convert the children of Roman catholic parents to
the protestant religion. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman'
who nag just spoken, indeed, showing the earnestness with
which those who are earnestly persuaded in religious matters
seek to inculcate their opinions on others, has no objection to
use these education grants as a means of proselytising. He
avows that that is a port to be adopted. (Hear, hear.) If
that be the cue, I submit to him that his object would be
defeated by the very means by which he would seek to pro.
mote it—for immediately you declared to the Homan catholic
clergy and laity that your purpose was not merely to rive to
the children a good education, but that your olecet is to pre-1
selytise inland—(clean)—the y will, of coarse, um them-
selves against that purpose, and your grants will be confined
only to a very small proportion of the people, and those who
dreaded the priest would consider it a fraud to accept, and
would indignantly reject them. (Hear.) If this be a right
principle, we come to the consideration of that which 1 cer-
tainly shall not attempt to expiain to the botrie after the eery
able statement we have had from an hon. member echo has
not only shown considerable knowledge on the subject aid
great ability in defence of the cause but who has an here •
ditary right to defend the cause Of education in Ireland.
(Cheer.) But in adverting to the speech of the hon. gentle-
man who last spoke, I must refer to the very different con-
clusion which was arrived at by. the commission of educe.
Lion—a commission, I believe, originally commenced by ot.e
to whom I am nearly related, the Duke of Bedford, while
holding the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and followed
up by him afterwards. (Hear.) That commission woe ap-
pointed to inquire into the state of MI schools and charitable
foundations, and amongst that commission was the Arch-
bishop of Armagh, the Archbishop of Cashel, the Bishop
of Itapeoe, the Bishop of Killed le, the late Provost
Blrington, of Trinity College, and other eminent mt. r..
These commissioners laid down certain principles on whi h 1
in the report of 1832 they declare their hope that the scheme
of national education proposed by them will be cordially '
accepted by the people of Ireland. And they add these
memorable words:
That such will be its acceptance we ,ball indulge the more can'
ti•lent expectation, if all interference with the Iparticular religious
tenets of these who are bimetae that instruction shall, in the first
instance, be an, quivocally disclaimed, and enectually guarded against.
We conceive this to be of essential im in any new establish-
ments fur the education of the lower clam, s in Ireland; and we ven-
ture to express our unanimous opinion that no Ctl,ll plan, honeser
wisely and unctorptionabig contrived in other respects, can be
carried into effectual execution in this country unless it be explicitly
avowed and clearly understood, as its leading priociple, that no
attempt shall be made to innovate of disturb the peculiar religious
tenets of any sect or description of thristians. ,11,11. r, hear.)
Such was the conclusion arrived at at that time by men
who were distinguished ornaments of the established church
of England and Ireland, but who, having a warm attachment
to the cause of education and a knowledge of the prop). of
Ireland, knew also what would be an effectual bar to the
morose of any plan which might be proposed. (Hear, hoar.)
Now, sir, considering the whole history of past events in
regard to this subject and the history likewise of the various
voluntary societies, I say it is no wonder that the Roman
Catholic clergy and laity were peculiarly jealous and sensitive
as to any plan of education which was to extend to them,
and when they heard that the bible was to be introduced
Into the schools—that the bible according to the authorized
version received by protestants should be read, it was but
natural that they should dread it was an attempt to
seduce them from the religion of their fathers and
to convert them to protestantiam. (Hear, hear.) 1
say that was a suspicion not only natural but almost merit.
able. (Cheers.) !With these views Lord Stanley founded
the present educational scheme in Ireland, declaring that
all suspicion of the attempt to proselytise must be carefully
guarded against. These schools were established there on
this principle, and have been aided by grants made by this
house—and what has been their progress ? The number of
scholars attending them in 1832 was 107,000, but in 1849
there were 480,000 children taught in them. (Cheers.)
And besides tele they (the National Board) have established
admirable normal and model schools in Dublin and else-
, where. Agricultural schools have also been formed in vari-
ous parts of the country, and they have thus aided not only
in the promotion of learning and religion but in those arts
most likely to advance the people in Industry and civilisa-
tion. (Hear, hear.) They have then, atter seventeen years'
experience, a strong ground for the support of this house—
they come before you with a strong cue for further support
and for the continuance of these grants : they come
before you with this claim, that unless then be a strong
and overwhelming cause for interfering. with the system, that
you should answer any proposal for interference by saying
we had been !wig in search of a plan by which various
soots of Christians in Ireland might be made the reel.
ciente of a common system of education • we at length
arrived; at such a erste'', which hie now ban in operation
for 17 years, and hes now come to that point that half • mil-
lion of children are maintained in them schools, and receive
instruction lin them—we will not intemperately or India-
meetly do anything to disceutage such a system, but will
allow it to go on, and continue those grants which have solar
, been so highly advantageous to tee people of Ireland.
(Cheers.) The hon. pentleman who has proposed to the
house to abandon this system does so on grounds which,
though plausible, always appear to 'me entirely untenable,
via.,-the scruples of the Protestant clergy and laity being vie-
laced by the scheme. Now, I can understand very well a
parent, whether Protestant or Catholic, saying, " here is a
system of education which interfere* with my religious belief,
and which does not allow my child to receive that
religious instruction which I conceive necessary, and
you should not by public grants support such a sys-
tem." But the objection made be the hoe. gentleman
Is of an entirely different nature. It is not that the reli-
gious opinion of the parents are interfered with in the in-
struction given to the children, or that their children being
protestant. areobliged to receive an education not protest-
ant; but it is that others, who are not protestants, and who
have a different faith, are not compelled to receive au edu-
cation which would be safflelent for the children of protest-
oats. (Hear, hear.) That is what I understand by the
proposition which has been made on this subject on previous
occasions, end hy the proposition brought forward to-day.
(Hear, hear.) Bemuse, a far as I can understand it, and
that by the testimony of persons of authority on this quee-
r:war' thildietria.)efaTthea Bthilwori oell CiPiastelof rothe.enothlyeet:ansmn""seti4
in Dahlia declared that a protestant child might receive a
sotertOtrar:lsedat the Bible t: a "awes :aro eadtibttaeldwasaa at tahooat
in the schools when the Roman catholic children
were taught. (Hear, hear.) On this point I have the tes-
timony of Mr. Sadler, • clergyman of the established
church, In a pamphlet written buhim' in which he
gives an account of his own school. Whisnesked if he would
I be a patron of the stational *oath, he consented, and In
stating what was done In the way of religiose etiolation, he
says :—" The scripture extracts, which contain all the mesa-
tial parts of the gospels, are reed daily in the school, and
:111tPachrisPi4 tianasaaknot otallerge"whaitrh at considerable
memberswabla ofa.greevierca
kept sithe &rioting aimed agree is thinking desirable

tra. Inculcate." " The children educated in rival schools
would learn instinctively to hate each other, whereas in this
school they are hefted op as members of the tame family,
In paw and love towards each other." Now this is
• prastleal example of the opinion of • protestant clergy-
mos, do head of • school in his own pariah having
Romemeatholieedieolutheteriand protestant assistants act-
ing together, and Roman catholic and protestant children
learning together those scripture extracts and receiving each
M them that peculiar religions instruction which Is agreeable
IMAM faith of their parents. Now, after this, I think no
poison Is entitled to say that the protestant child is obliged
le receive in these schools an education which is at variance
tvlth the conscience of hie parents. There are some of the
eithOole where this peculiar religious instruction is excluded
hod the school-room ; and I believe this ham been done
at the request of the mere jealous protestants who
would not consent that religious instruction should be
given to the Roman catholic@ in the house for which the
public money bad been granted at the some time with the
Manta. Bat, generaliy speaking, the rules laid down in
eetrepost of the commission had been followed, that the
peculiar religious instraciton may be Divan in the echoed-
room after the school hours, this only condition being that the
protestant version of the Bible should not be read as a school
book during school hours. (Hear.) If that be so It is plain
that as to the first principle the modification the hon. gentle-
man asks Is not a modification in order, that instruction in
the protestant religion may be better provided for, but a
modification that should be contrary to the wishes and which
will arouse the suspicions of the Roman catholia by de-
claring that the Bible shall be read in these ocheole not only
for the asks of the protestant children but for the sake of the
Roman catholic children also. (Hear.) Now, sir, I
believe if you introduce inch a change you at
once strike • fatal blow to the system, (lieu, hear.)
and those jealousies which have been allayed, and thou
suspicions which are now sleeping, would be again arouse.
300,000 or 400,000 children would be at once taken away
from these schools, and your hopes of • united system of
education would be frustrated and destroyed—(hear, hear)—
Bat the proposition goes further—and it is said if you do
not approve of my modification of the plan, let the schools
remain as they are according to the national system, but
let there be a separate grant for the children of members of
the church of England—and it teems very plausible to say
this is the system in England, why not adopt it in Ireland
(Hear.) But, sir, I see no forte in the objection, that there
is a difference in the system in the two countries—what
desire to au effected is the greatest degree of good that is
practicable in both countries and if I find that
one system will produce the greatest amount of good in Eng-
land, and that a different system is calculated to produce the
greatest amount of good in Ireland. I will take that dif-
(erect system and apply it to Ireland in preference to a
system which, though successful here, would be unsuccessful
there. But if you take the plan as existing in Ergland,
you should not take it piecemeal. If you say that the
church of England, which taken in proportion to the whole
population of Ireland does not constitute more than one-
sixth or one-seventh of the whole, while it possesses the
greater portion of the property—if you say, the cahoots in
connexion with that church—shall have a separate grant,
how can you deny to the Roman catholic bishops and clergy
• separate grant for the Roman catholic schools, in order to
enable them to have separate schools and separate religions
teaching also? (Hear.) Considering the advantages that
church has in Ireland,and the means the clergy now possess—
eonsidering, too, that the catholic archbishop, MeHale, and
others of the Roman Catholic clergy, are as strcngly in
favour of separate education ea any of these bishope—u are
the bishops and clergy of the established church—how can
you deny to them, for five-sixths or ex-sevenths of the
whole people, their separate echozle, conducted according to
the Roman catholic maxims and exclutvely teaching the
Roman catholic religion ? In that case you would have,
perhaps out of the whole grant of 120,0201, 20,0001. given
to the established church and Presbyterian schools, and
100,0.)01. exclusively to the Roman catholic schools.
(lieu, hear.) A-. 1 who shall tell m- what in
that case will be the course of education in these
Roman catholic schcols when they are entirely set
loose from this system of mixed education which h2s
taught the Roman catholic to know and to love their pro-
testant brethren, and inculcated in their minds the precepts
of our common Christian religion, and brought them up to
tt love one another." (Hear, hear.) If you separate the
grant, giving the 100,0001. to the Roman cathehcs, and
20,0001. to the protestant,, I do not think that the effect
would be the same as it has been in England, where the
grants are given put to the church of England, part to the
British and Foreiun Shoal S-ciety, part to tie IVesleyans,
and part to the' Roman catholics. I believe the effects In
Ireland would be totally different. There, where there has
been so much of separation and animosity so 1 -ng existing,
but now happily subsiding, we should see that animosity
revived and festered by this separate system. (Hear, hear.)
And, on the other hand, it would be impossible for you
to stop and say that to the laity of the established church
and to the clergy of that church should a upirate grant be
made, and that to no other persons profession a different reli-
gion would you give the sane advantage, far then yeti
wouli he introdu-iag an thjustioe, and raising again that
es il of religious exclusion with regard to this now system,
the effects of which we have so much reason 10 deplore in
regard to the system which so long has existed. The ad-
vantage I look to from this system of education is, that
bring a matter of recent introduction, founded on grants of
parliament, to which no oue has a claim except on the
grounds of general justice and policy, you have it in
your own hands to say the money 'shall be distri-
buted in that way which will produce the greatest
good on the future fortunes of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) I
hope, then, that the house will not consent to make • change
in the priii,ivls au • hith tide grant has hisherto been distri-
buted. I hope they will support this commission of educa-
tion, comprising as it does men of great eminence, but of
different religious views, including men like Arotthishop
Whitely and Archbishop Murray. (lieu, hear.) I hope
they will not disturb them in their ho:y and beneticent work
of educating and of christianising the peo; le of
(Cheers.) I have been told of another cump:aiot which has
been made, that the clergy of the established church receive
no countenance or support or favour from the state, unless
they are friends of this system of natiocal education. But In
this respect I would beg to observe that the clergy, who are
declared to be hcsiile to the system, an not 'eluded from
the most valuable tmeefizes or the highest preferment in the
church of Ireland in crusequence of their opposition. If the
crown had the monopoly of all preferment, there might be
some ground for that complaint; but the tact is that the
great bulk of the patronage of the chinch is in the hands of
the church itself. Fur Instance, in the diocsse of Armagh,
the crown has the right of presentation to I livings, and the
bishop to 49—(hear)—in the diccese of Ferns the crown
p' the right in respect to 1 living, and the bishop to
41; and in the diocese of Cashel the crown present, to 3, and
the bishop to 34. (Hear.) Therefore, I say, with every
respect for the clergy of the established church in
Ireland, who make this complaint, and every re-
spect for their conscientious opposition to the na-
tional ',steno, I do not think that their worldl7
prospects are prejudiced and blighted, as they adage, for if
the Crown does not prefer them to the living. which it has
in its patronage, the bishop, generally speaking, prefers
them. (Hear, herr.) Ido not find fault with the bishop
for doing so. Id o not find fault with the bishop, who is an
enemy conscientiously to the national system of education,
for giving his patronage to those who agree with him on
an important subject affecting the moral and relig:nue wel-
fare of the people. (lieu, hear.) But if I do not ti cl
fault with the bishop, I du not, on the other hand, think the
Crown is to be blamed bee 'use when patronage falls into it.
hands it finds a man of ability, of piety, act of learning,
who agrees with it on this principle, and }Teri rs him.
(Cheers.) On every ground, then, I think, there
is no foundation for the claims which have been
advanced on this subject. I think the clergymen
of the established church of Ireland from their high charac-
ter and their merits i t every respect, but more especially
for their charitable exertious during the late painful years of
famine, are deserving of our highest Esteem and regard.
(lieu.) lam concerned therefore that on this subject I
should differ from their wishes, and were it not that I think
shoes wishes are opposed to the general welfare of the people
of Ireland, and that we should be making a serious
inroad in our system of education, I should be
glad to comply with their desire on this subject.
But seeing that many schemes and plans in Ireland have
idled—that this I. • plan, as celabliabeil by Lord Stanley,
which has had good success and prosperity, and wLich pro-
mises to promote good conduct and obedience to the laws
among the people of Ireland—l call upon the house not to
consent to abridge its powers by adopting the present mo-
tion. (Cheers.)

Lord C. HAMILTON supported the motion, and con-
tended that there was no evidecce that the national system
had succeeded ; whereas the church schools had eminently
prospered.
Sir J. GRAHAM, as a colleague of Lard Stanley in 1531,
declared his steady adherence to the system than established,
and regretted extremely that members of the church of Ire-
land dad not partake of all the benefits of the system ; why i
Because their clergy, with some splendid inceptions, have
led the way to an uneompromising opposition to it. Mr.
Hamilton had charged the system with being latitudinarian;
but at the last annual examination of children by an associa-
tion in Dublin, the largest proportion of those who gained
premiums for their knowledge of the Scripturis were pupils
lof the national schools. Then as to oonscientious scruples,
he should like to ask whether the system of education in
Trinity College itself was of an exclusively protestant cha-
racter. He admitted that the distribution of reward., honours,
and emoluments there was most exclusive; but he denied
that the education was in the least degree so. Again, in
all the workhouses of Ireland were schools based upon
the national system; to these workhouses chaplains wire ap-
pointed, who without scruple attended the schools ; but then
there was a salary attached to the office. The motion ;pre-
sented an alternative, which suggested an important modifi-
cation of the system, namely, that the &Tipton's should be
read in school hours according to the authorised version.
They might as well declare at ones that the national system
shall be extinguished. if the proposed change were made,
upon the peinciple of justice there must be exclusive grant.
to Roman catholic schools, end then the object of uniting
Roman catholic., presbyterians, and members of the esta-
blished church la one harmonious system of education moo
be abandoned. Although the national system had not borne
all the fruits desired, its results had been suecerful. He
believed there was no Roman catholic country in Europe in
which, with the consent ratite clergy, an education so Scrip-
tural, without note or comment, had ever been tolerated as
that given in the national 'shoot.; and he warned the house
that if this light be extinguished, there was very little hope
of the social improvement of Ireland.
Mr. NAPIER proteOed against the imputation cast by
Sir J. Graham upon the clergy of Ireland, of being in-
fluenced by mean and mercenary motives, which was un-
worthy of bis high position. Ile defended the motion, en-
tering at much length into the details of the national system,
r and the mimed modifications of It.

Mr. SHIBIL avowed that ha Should mu,
of eduestim in Ireland national against a
could take any just exceptios. He did not
props:ants of Ireland were opposed to the
the great mass of the gentry, and soma or *tea, siastice, were &valuable to It. The
bad en opportunity of attending the arebr,th,
the protestant pupils about them ,
not take advantage of it? The mu
not attending the national rchools
t•stante and Roman catholic, vetee
open an equality • this the Prutestara
stomach, because it was incompatible gli
which tie law accorded to him. Provider. the Church of Ireland abundant ternimal
spiritual good; why did they not apply Jrl
priate a portion of the church revenues to,
tin with the church ? Lord Stanley had
tional Board; Sir li. Peel had added to i
went had again and again approved it; dial
men had concurred in that approval, which'
by a royal visit (by accident, of c,tusej
visited Trinity College.
•

rivate tam supported the in:tier,
posed by Mr. RZYNOLDS, WhO believed
device to guard the outposts of the Pr
Ireland.
The house then divided—
For the resolution
Against it
The h .use then went into committee of .
Mr. COBDEN objected to their promedi
at that hour, al it was imponible that the.
details of the votes.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH
H was absolutely essential that he shouli
account, to defray the expenses which he
some of the minor departments.
Colonel SIBTHORY deprecated the ft
of the Exchequer always asking for troi
They should always know the whole
required.
Atter a fuether objection, oa the part
proceedinx with supply at that late heti,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH,
he would be satisfied to take half the
the items.

The follewinff iltinn were then voted on
let of March, 1851 :
9,0001. for the defraying of law re
government prosecutions.
5,0001. to defray the expense,' of re+
against the laws of coinage.
10,0001. for the expenses of sheriff,' al
officers• salaries.
5,0001. to defray the salaries and ex;
misaionen of the Ineolvent Debtors
40,0001. for law expenses in Scotland,
30,0001. for law expenses in Ireland.
20,0001. for the expenses of the m,
Dublin

7,000!. for the .barges of ingpect,rs or
70,0001. for the expense of Madatainu
and lunatic sAylnms.
100,000 L (or the expenses of maximal!
lishments.
50,0001. for the transportation of el .r;
100,000 f. for the maintenance of cony;
the colonies.—The house then resumed
POPULATION OIL.
This bill passed through conamir,r
LINEN AND MANUFACTURE-

This bill was committed, and th
grow and obtained leave to 'it vai
RAILWAY
Mr. LABOUCHERE said :nat. t
Lards, of which he bad charge. 't r.
bill which were manifestly at caviar.
the house, and therefore he mawd
aide, and he should ail for leave t
the same subject.
LANDLORD AND TENA
On the motion fvr the resumption of
on the third reading,
Mr. CHRISTOPHER moved the
di bate.
The house divided :
For the amendment
Against it
Mr. CHRISTOPHER then moved
the house.
Atter a few words from Mr. Pusty,
Sir J.Y. DULLER suggested that the bill at,
for a morning sitting.
Mr. PUSEY was willing to fix Thu riday
o'clock. (No, so.)
Lord GALWAY said that as Irish membr
with to have the hill fur Ireland, and many Lrt,
hilts were equally hostile, he would rec:annun
member to confine it to Berkshire. (Laughter )
Alia a desultory conversation, the third readm;
for 12 o'clock on 'I. hursday next.
NLW BRIDGE AT WESTMINSTEL

On the motion of Mr. FRZWEN. leave was given
in a bill authorising the auction of a temporary
Wes.min.tar.—The house adjourned at 20 ounutt -

gilt elncr,ig.

OUTGOING MAILS
The mails ri4 Marseilles. to the hl,•'.•
0,410 n, ledsa, Hong-Hong, &a., will It
smile:: of June 24.
The luaus for Lisboa, Spain, and
mp cus June 27.
The swiss for British North Ame!in nd ••
States will be made up on the eveciiir o. J lot :-
The West India Mails, including Eereiuda, H
Passau, tin .drams, New Orissa', act li s. o, br. •
'tree for Madeira. St. Juan•ile-N'.cannies, New
and Peru, will be nue., up on the terrain; of J..
the moils for Mmieria,th,.. Ayr,
I a, made n;• on the evening of July 1.
1 The mails tor Gibraltar, Malta, liner, the :
Eg3 p'. Ceylon, India, and CLa.a.•• Southani •
be sa..ze oa the I:Lorain,/ of J u.y

R7flll WATIII AT LONLION
Trn D•r—Mamma. lIA. 17-•
T. sou. r —ALra.r.4,l..,sa

LONDOY, SATURDAY, fry

ACCOUNTS from Paris depict tie h:„;..
French reaciionis:s at the prospect of Lon
sros being ejected from office. The
deed somewhat damped by the r'll. cticn
of the open rival, and c x'gcct friend, there n
an insidious and secret foe. But the kno:
tors, who mett nt Madame LIEYEN'S, and
got up the whole plot of precipitatinz
Lions at Athens into a compulsory aerceni.:::'.
taking advantage of this to recall the% Frencl:
!Moe—there people are highly del.g'ateci.
atm of restoring France to what it was in : ts,'
never have prospered if a statesnan of cap'ci:y
liberal tendencies remained at the !dad
policy of England. To overturn hint!:;::.
object, and they have certainly cone d itha.
tune of this, by representing Erg;and as es:
from, or meLaced by, all the' powers of Earci
taneously. This, they well calculated, wou.;:q
JORN BULL, make him think of war and ::-
isolation and its anxieties. But, however, easily
fo• his lutist! and his tranquiility, Jolty ti, :
ther liked to he bullied nor duped. And it he
the veriest ox on one of his own pa 5.7.7,,.
must now begin to perceive that the mteny: his
made both to bully and to dupe situ. [tic
tiOlt of the Leueli minister, that lie dent wori of
convention of London to Athens, aril that
communicated to Mr. WYSE, in crier to stop h:!.re
gumption of coercion, turns out to be an utter ta.se
hond. There can he no doubt that it was Fur'
peel withheld from Mr. W csr, in cider
he might precipitate coercive mca,mes ; the
curt was advised by • Baron Ciao- to )trod
don, u the "best course under the circumiticays,
by this manccavre General L.cini re. and :
Legitimists were enabled to make the
withdrawal of their Ambassador, which d a.
the Russian party in the House of Lords v. e •
' tunity of striking the blow which they have
That it was a plot from beginning to end, bas„: a
treachery, and consummated in falsehood,e,
the noonday, from those letters of Mr. Y4'; ti.' • •
NORMANDY, which the daily organs of the co!,:•-•
racy" in London carefully and wisely refuse 3.
publish. One of the unwiring but
agents of the conspiracy, was the e Treepor.“er: ot.;
Times at Atha... The French oubego
him the story of Baron Gnus having comma:
to Mr. WYSZ his cognisance of the come:::: . ••,. '
London. This was an arrant, though a ..•••••
falsehood. When the Tunes correspond':;
formed by Mr. GRIFFITH that he had been an
meat of communicating falsehood, he cerl t'•„r!
promised to rectify it in a letter to the 1...
.P:r•
the TIM*, took good care to suppress the rtc::r.a...,;
as it took care to exclude from its columns;
of Mr. WYSE, and, indeed, of every
might aid the public in penetrating the plot ini
ing through the falsehood and treachery et tai
and French and English propsgatord. ,
King Oruo was My informed of the onv's::l2,
of London, and of the likelihood of ltit:
concluded. So was Baron Gaos. The en'Y
in the dark was Mr. WYSS. And the whoa'
manoeuvres of Baron °Kos and the Greek
the fortnight previous to the find, was to rn:e•r•.'
Mr. IYratt into coercion, in order to 41,1"1
dreaded Convention of London. Baron tlity's..
ceiving word of it, took care never to ',Mel '
Wrest. Re merely wrote Bien a note.olf!" gait
show his despatch's, bat homed of houul

id of 107,

st Which 4;;T0g,„,..,,,
:at 41hve t';."Wti
e national
,f the 17.'s
ie atenu st 4;
)Is,P,ult
• 'ffiati.7l7
W,
414 ?
tos „t
I 'WOW u
at i"••
' Prlen ,t.,; 444
lith the atcl:4,l "
Idr:r!'" h"
9, iZtial •1' t:
to 7• t •
Ictlools P,n
td foand,d
o its hiwis
dim - -
ch hsi btu nktiii.
Inkre her
, which 1111,
d 1111,
'totette.c•
•
•••• 112
11;
A Suppl 7. '
444
IC; ud ~
.r
11.:(41.Y•it •
get 'MI.
al beta ir•
notion or cs..„
ecocry "' • •I
a. %um, l%
"r Mt% r.
If•
LiEfiTSEit
snt
Oh itc; •
IPte,ti Ir,.rC
.3
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end :•:•..t • f
2?•rael cf •.
.tats.
r ,
kinicg . -
e:c.,
ex:
LL.
IRELAND. r
mrmm rrprtru il7. •
:ILL.
a VS; ',Li:. fr;T. • •
wrra- par, .f .
t .h . • .
,NT :,L
the 46,,,net. 1
tdir,urar. 7: :
•
adl.,..k:r

rortanerl anythisit of impormase, the
oie• j. PO worded as to leave Mr.
ar,•t
ste spoon that they amtained neither
`.pod of importsineu,
d•d seutely the leddag of the oon-
• As to Mr. WM, be boldly sad
•-••. •
e: • 1,, way. made the fairest offers, told
h• e!•elld de. and wltat be must do.
court of Ort. re and the French envoy
cro wi. to ;•reopitate him into • breach
-•• r.r ohm it produced at Athens, was eer-
•
.7" the p at* of the compiraters in Paria

• • •!..e Paris cotopirstore bad in Lord
. ier.orow, more *Ed abote revenge,
• • id •oolsy in the Ilentas letter from
• ' • Reef of the plot,
• • t the pent too
• • " to debut to give its explanation.
•, -▪ •
• tr.-"he mi..:Ery would be beasts bad
•t ric 111iliZlit.CtilitSt is the Hersiil a
•• • •• •L t. Staa:ay'r m mould be earned
• •
• &maid that •he dehat
• Iht eat,Met, mimeo would throw itself
.t.. f r immix:rt. Tee rublic sill sow
isrtiet, I E. r the nest mom et the
• :ht art beets hem e uabousdad ; fee this
etre claim the milt. twill. as Thep easiest,
• • • ,e-• ice the lesions, which ad iris
• . ; , Tit Legitimist sad Orksaks:
• . . - • G prospoet ut Led ralmsestee's
„, r: tt. r ealoslder is be sae of tat greatest ob.
.47
an err= of the conspiracy is
_ •:.:ro.: ire sod ammtiag. than the ad-
an„;!.te crow, the Times. It had
. rr e.g di:, complaitte against Lord
v.. that he answered mildly the inso-
i.,,..ka: that he took blandly and coolly
...tit!, of the Fetich government is
•. . ..IAI-fitiOr: and the climax of his guilt
ir.stantly reeslled L.:id NOR-
.
!ict all these insults and allainfal
w,re parts of the plot, done
kid the indignation is great at their
. .
.•wi h ea.mnete, sod. as ere cannot but
The UMW of Lords ha. chosen
•-• etee-paw of a cliga• of foreign
.• e, sad of their anonymous and
ism this ooantry. The Monte of Lords
a !Mt and unpatriotic act, placing
• udr the public tateror.s and foreign
.. • •• r conitre. list those, who completed
• , 7 :re peen. were deceived. And it re-
-.: ma their owe consideration to undo-
. to the dupery and the infamous false-
-1: .m been rac•ised. Already the last
, r> of Mr. St TSZ and Lord IkORMARBY
Led the deceit. Acid wean con-
.: Gish:* and patriotic a person as
Wtttlati:os will not be slow to
_per-
- • . '7 pra:tieed upon him, as well as
Eoglisr. publics.
. we certsinle fear ton' the breach between
ird rte Fteneb gosernments is serious.
. r.i YumEll4lo% were to go out to-morrow,
r. who must be an honourable man and an
not bat be seisible of the foal
• -atem practised. and with all the dear,
.• •ri tr.:rite,, after its aim has been
-• : t,aid never be sacerssfeL Lord Cu-
, tt c. Lord AtEIDU. himself. are too
.7-: txe t Mt' tics or to veil it.
. a: I.An:rre. Lcrd NORMANDY'S letter.
.- 7 : :tat. Lie Sorehead a name that will en-
.- .- 7: s the history of the,- moat base and in-

:relay': remarks en the wreck of the
'en, 1 to Lieutenant that's statement,
ruck., on whi..l it was east away, that
w:. exist in dangerous proxirn:ty
tpitrik, they are not marked
IS IL re either beacon or b..oy upon
...-er part of this st-temect drew from
. _. t+tat have the Commissioners of
b:en Orem ? Reference to the last
from the report of their semetary,
..er of the House of Commons, is eal-
:zee ralor disagreeable doutra ea to
etlme7 of their management.
cornett we learn that, " On am-
- of the tiaatees at the dose of 1848,
. the re solnt;on of entirely suspecd-
i. :he department of beacons end buoys,
:cmpletton of Skergriatick Beacon, In
it is waiertesato that the state of the
ere• fissile*. should LIMO cramped their
.r. this department, seeing how deficient

's. tzr

cr :o have eeeThs hi.heTt o in one of the moat
wise highways ear.rusted to their

e state of trisie finance* at the close of 148 does
appiur to hare been extremely usaatidactory.
txpvtiditure in the c.uree of that year 'sees& d
'.Lcotnt by uo lees a sum than 19,7141. _ _

3latters do not appear ti have been much mended
1649. The income of 1649 exceeded that of 1848
-7 ; by suspending a works in the depart-
? Ant Gibe:icons and buoys with the exception above
n.:rimed, that breech of otrlay was rednc-d to
: and vet there ie an excess of expenditure
:r income in 160 to the amount of 8,7481.

Commisticners of Northern Lights are, it
on •he one hand, abstaining from necessary
cud on the other going oa year after year to
debt by spending more than they receive.
..• t.,wer of borrowing is limited by statute to the
- - t 0..; but they have already gone bevond
. x:tation ; the Board of Trade having taken
t ....tin to allow the commissioners to exceed their
powers of borrowing by 8,0001.
. • s the picture of the management of the Com-
• t• rt of Northern Lights presented by their
rr; ort. And it ought also to be noticed, that

statement oontained in that rerrt es not
ti.. nor inieed consistent in itral . In one
we .scl the surplus expenditure of 1848
:•e_ it : • 7:4 ; in another (on the untie page) it
;et-14W u only 12.4411. We an see motives
diperepest accounts. By stating the
expend. ure of 1849 at 19,714/., the
- )....tre are enabled to represent themselves ea
redtc.d the surplus expenditure of the year
. • It •hac one-half of that of the preceding
• :5 ,tatir.g it at 12,6411., they are enabled to
.f.t at`.t contracted in the course of two
rsr• pkir ly 1,2891., whereas the larger stun
4621., or 2,4621. above the extension
" ' _

-te .r b .rryirieg powers conceded by the Board of
Ircle 4, &hams of a statutory prohibition.
1:f Iroporant citation of the Management of the
and beacots of the United Kingdom has
tmet tri.ied with. We have had, year after
y-Ir. crecti.k.hts to parliament, oommittese of inqairy,
ate debater but tothing has been Bons. The state
istc Netich toe Commimioaers of Northern Lights
hat-e covr.,td, of s.,r own showing. to brie/ their
mere 5f the businw :o an illustration of the
rter.C.sh: or nth lidet.sion and procrastination.
r.ere anotter Imam of some consequence at the
he learned from this display of the
••
—..'77" 1••••4:.-0. The promoters of the government
b..., for Untrailairg the administration of the sani-
t..r..t. of the metropolis in a government board
w°" beieve that it is mroagh to incurs the
of •te.ii a board if it is compelled to pre-
kV ULU. rtVlto of its istromissions to parliament
:Ate re have a report of the intromiesions of the
.mo..ssiohers cf Northern Lighthosees preerated to
?!r• anent, in which the excess of expenditure is
ie variously stated (on the same pai)
std 12 ; and vet not one member of
pir..anient WWI, at least not one takes notice of the
44"?&LET. What cheek upon the blunders or mal-
T,riat.ot of (acials is there here ?

MsET, ISLIGTOIC,MIIIIOIIOiI Oi the poll on
re,eotra for pedssiag the seheith et Ilse cffietals of this
Fir* whelk wee lathed by Mr. By as IM thetrY
et I cm*, was se follows .—fa favour ef the IlletiOn, 279
aftsur. it, 247. The resolution wee. therassr. se."l" W
a' 42. This deririees, however, will call Ant de
oshr.e• of the vestry clerk sed ewe or two 'ether ollehls.
I z.i Ler* to the trustees, the surveyor, end the roe either
1-t• sues emoluments tors the chief !Inroad of cOlOpleffar
in %wined sad paid by the trustees of the perish, Who.
:Ader the provisithe of the keel act of perlisassot. fir• 1018.
Psaceat of the control of the vestry.
TUE PAVILION AT MilaiftoN.—The
tie Wee, ad pomade Levis, bee. soap Mr• Char
the Stroller ts the Wo.de sad Toasts, cans dews Erma
"Irs yesterday, end nee up the pommies of the late royal
Gmt,trty, sow the property of the inhabitants of Brighton,
w lie. sibs, es t•prosestative at the ClailillgOClMl of
the teen, a that we may expos& that the /rowels will
.4_l* tiouwa Goeri to the public is the entree of a T. 17 Sew
Gozette.