The Express.
London, England, 1857-03-10 00:00:00

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poonulloa of dr inhoUtente et Haw Yea& It owleily
wee • werp•idal Ili. to be oblinK is a twigs country,
to .it be asollemat of a foreign nation, mil to and our-
selves Sewn ea the rektenee of Soreigaire he the protec-
tion et ear own mph. The podia hid • alight to knew
whether* the rime Justhwe of *his ear people were in
leepiway. He wait sit ley thee the kb el* is China
aremled te • aka, beg it ha lesered teer Efillradtko to
swim ado* INA we Imo ishinod it a londun legion fur
boil We no loin or own iu OM country.
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Oda aid an, duped= bed bola reed' Mai Col.
Net MOWS 111.1161111 bad takes Ow fa
the kei eeior Casks, ead Net IMMO amell bed
milk would swot be the Gemette. The desperie
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bad appeared la the Owens.

THE OPIUMTHADE.

Si Wit if
Ha te adt Ithithair atehichware M-
ailed al& gm new at
broursmio
milleie ihe
If la PINE bier bll pier le lila diesktlea et paths-
mak Oa weade;.ai err aulegirs Mum"
Ile lined Gist & sums mid parer a great loss
ef math
Sir O. GREY milted that he wadi eimerear with
the Board of Trade, and take the subject bttr 41.61.itka•
THE NESTORIAN CHRISTIANS MI MINA.
Mr. PELLATT asked the Presider et lie lewd of
Control whether, Y the myth if With Prig, any
zapraseutelites mil be made Ms the
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the Eva& revameat &Ism Mee ISMS= Christian.,
whip dime Ile ielaissmat of the Legation have
mid seem yeensmitm. Me led Sly surds =plumed,
the reihig E.& Mirage
the poker* and people
sedisek ea pi et Impnemment or beelthedo, not to
=Mr *dr eses Mid=
Si,. V. OMEN mid the question ought rather to have
hem pd le the Unit yof State for Foreign Affairs.
He had, however, me& kip UI. at the brags department,
end they had embed ray aellee of the puseerim Warred
to. Inareetions had ben eat le Mr. Emir de at Ms 'Mu-
err to ameliorate the emilibe of Mined to.
Dlr. W.tRWRR gad If the e[ re Christians
la Parole would be ill Mr ‘lll, Sib** ytlr sane of the
treaty ?
Mr. Y. SMITH wet veleetsed r very that he had
already Mated that issimatier bed but glvein to Mr.
Marra to Meares to amelimate the condition of the
that country.
PAWN 1161001 WITS FOR THE ARMY, HATT, ANTI
ORDNANCE.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked the Chancellor of the
lathequer whim the detailed accounts of the Army, Navy,
and Otdnanc. for the year, March 31, l&i6, would be laid on
the table of the hoses?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that
the statmet of the eccounto for the navy had been delivered,
and be believed that the detailed amount would shortly
he ready. With regard to the army, the time lima
Nor the production of the accounte bad not yet arrived. The
abstract was not due till lane neat, and it would the detailed
to the hour, together with a detailed account.
COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) TITLES OF
PURCHASERS BILL.—COURT OF CHANCERY
(IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of Mr. Murrain; the orders memo bills
ware read and discharged.
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS BILL.
On the motion of Sir G. Gum, the order of the day for
going into committee on Wm bill was dicharged.
THE SOUND DUES AND DANISH TRANSIT
DUES.
Mr. 0. DUNHAM Mir *herr it was the Intention of
the government, r aupthibig the questien of the settlement
of the Sound dasa,to edgMelaller the setthment of the Danish
transit dues it the am heeler
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER maid
that a treaty wee Mai to be aseeteed with Deennerk he
the roeielma et dr boa her by the principsi WOWS ir
Europe, ringGM DA N
W
Hanover, Mosidesberg"legius. PrivaaNmea.r, *ma"
Norway, sad the Nemes Tom. It wee Motets& thet the
treaty would be atput this wee. It imaddharriation
nut only to the Semi Me, bat Mee te the redraws of the
transit dues • mil Meru net side to slate the
exact amount of the raiioa of the transit dem he be-
lieved it would set be hen than a reduction of fotoutlftha
from their preeent amour t.
THE LIVER DANUBE.
Kr. MEAGHER 'shod the Fire Lord of the Timmy
whether he could dint any information se le the posert
ship of the Biwa Deaths as it r Ma orb sad poperser-
tles wee .awed: sued whether dm me any mortis
&rat the Mr my sew be roliekaillyekor to allow of
shipments bias awls to mad from re Danubian
Lard PALMERSTON mar thet these were two °m-
ahatma melated Mr Mem le the DIM%
meate asmimisa oorakolog of &berm her ems
ihe• rip ver er-
berferingpammln amerame with the MI& ef the treaty
of Sims. The odor at • Ergs' earnis.
elms, masiatlag el seemlams &hired pewees whose ter-
ritories ea Major the Dessim, hat whose &re win to
take eke to miss the rearm of the Darla yes dm
navigation and loworotag sberrltees. The bat meal
commlialaa had ell bees able yet to sellememen for elm-
* my the obsavetior, the mewl of banks within
the but thus was see Metal pram under their
and rat ores Ishii tea the mouth of the
Er re ward be the rest useful tor the purport. of
Mew el emsthsm<titt the Odra Mouth wee
Zip Led, eadthat arningemM might bit milt by which
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RETIREMENT OF THE SPILAZZIL
The SPEAKER—Before I call on the irk to proceed
with the orders of tie day, I hope the hones will permit me
to occupy their attention for • very few momenta. (Hear,
hear.) After the statement that was made by the noble lord
to the house on Thursday lest, it is quite evident a dissolution
of parliament it rapidly appeaching, and I feel it to be only
°resistant with that respect to the house which is especially
due deciame that I siewaid inform the house that it is my
Weeks to retire tea parliament at the clean of the
peered swim It is sow very nearly eighteen years since
I het had the honour of being elected speaker of this house.
I cannot contemplate the termination of my office] career
without great pain, nor can I allow it to close without offer-
log to the holm° my sincere and grateful acknowledg-
ements for that uniform confidence and support which I have
received, not only from all partite in the house, but I think
I coq say with perfect truth from every individual member
of the he.... (Chasm) I am quite aware that in the
&ether at the delicate sad very oneroua duties of this char,
I lovelies sack bolshied to that kind indulgence which lee
sheep bees estewled to we, and especially of late when
I have bees too fropeetly reminded of my increasing
kubOky te do *deo to the task that has devolved upon me.
(Cries el" No, no.") It hubs= my constant endeavour, as
is well Yawn to the homes, to impose and simplify their
from of preceeding—(lear, hear)—but at the same time I
have larlesvoured to neistain unimpaired all their rights and
pfvfleges—(bear, bear)—end all Wes rules and orders
which, sancelemd by molest rage, that my long experience
hes tem* me to reepeet sod venerate, I believe
ma saver he enlaced or erlriaßy altered without prejudice
to the hedepeadown cad freokee et perliament. (Cheers.)
And 111 have in the host dorms knee lestrumental in pro-
moting objects so desirable sod so esentiel to the public in-
terest, lam pethedy Annus that I owe it to the cordial
eeeperation which I have always nesived teem the house,
sad for which I can never be salkiently perefal. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—I am wire, air, I am • faithful
micas et eke *Moo of every mauler old& house when I
as you Ble with do despeet egieed—(edware)—that we
have booed the orsorreemel Aid losjeil Mien from you.
't isms eim!gibeent, Ns. NM no flattery to
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may that I islet's rhea New or In that chair any rea;tho
combined in • mike diger all them various 'pities
which dawn serrate the Spitabse ol this hour. (Chem)
With the mar wilts I an am emery maim ma hal at
toeing yew wed= he the fire' aver be misled a marl-
meat damp weer fir your swim heeler. (Chem.)
I het he bee not co ear pure .rise sitar
late rep uperder d ease harp slid every tellable
heiprrlrutalaiii he she soros that I mball
fd 11 hit/ tratemourjek• bagmen been, Is
Nos so epodes d lime Is pea cog an appropriate
' Wirer to the Crews es biota epos what we banjos' sew
beard. (Cheers.)
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lead PALMERSTON ease agar eri mud that team
dee day hare presehriserser smallene Therimpei
Rh KUNTZ rid be yr way 611 to
▪ cullo swim be I lie Viasel 11 Oa irk-
stoMtas avoid Imo SW cssaismilbe attobcpsi
gr• am Win he hawse IS Medi IlarsiaL Ile hod •
urea fr Tharein eadi Ip_eeppomed re diet of this mo-
rass would be be mei at brag I ihnnud.
The sodas was dra weed to.
COMMISSIONERS OP SUPPLY (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was read • third time and pared.
WAYS AND MEANS.
The report on ways and moms was brought up and agreed
to.
INCOME TAX BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EILCHBQIIR,..
second reading et thin hill.
Mr. DISRAELI—It was lay intention to hare oared to

moved the

that I should etberwiee have felt It coy duty to bring forward. ,
The house the other night unfortunately agreed to en increase
in the indirect taxation of the country, and in the face of
that increaeo I should not be prepared to urge a dirainntion
of direct taxation. That is, however, a consideration of very
secondary importance to the critical poaition in which we are
now placed with regard to China. The policy of her Ma-
jesty's government has ended in our being involved in a war
which may be of some length, and which must be productive
of considerable expense. (Hear, hear.) I only wish that
those who are anxious for the reduction of taxation would be
careful to inquire how far the amount of our taxation is de-
pendent upon the system wo adept in the management of our
external relation,. (Loud cheers.) We have been at war
with Persia without the knowledge of parliament ; and we
have heard that a peace has been concluded. We are with-
out information on the subject, but, re far se we know,
that war was caused by a reason too contemptible and
shameful to be put forward. (Loud cheers.) Whether
that canoe was or was not the teal one, the home can in
either case draw the inference, which I. inevitable. If it
was the true cause, then it was part of a system-.a part
of that emissive policy which la maned by the govern-
ment of this country in its foreign relations. (Cheers.)
But, admitting that the cause assigned wee only a
pretext, and that this shameful cams was really not
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moved in coneequence of our going to ;ow with Perris ?
Negotiations, I am informed, took place between the British
and the Persian authorities at Constantinople, and certain
term* were offered for our acceptance, which we refused.
By that refusal a vast expenditure has been incurred. These
transactions am brought in due time under the notice of the
hone° ; sod the feeling of parliament is expressed with re-
gard to them in a manner which cannot be mistsken.
(Cheers.) Fresh negotiations immediately take place, and
these are euccoesful—in what manner and by what means I
do not know ; but I am informed that it has been by vir-
tually accepting at Paris the terms which we had rejected at
Constantinople. (Loud cheers.) Now, I should like to
know how much it has cost the country—this rejection of
these reasonable terms which were offered at Constantinople ?
(Cheers.) I can hardly suppose that it has cost us Ices than
half a million of money. (hear, hear.) Well, but if we
sew to have half a dozen et these difficulties a year, sad if
every difficulty is to average half a million, I want to know
how the eevenpenny income tax is ever to be seduced
(" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) Four difficulties at 500,000/.
slime would just amount to an income tax of id. in the
pound; and as we must not only expect that the tax is to
remain at aevenpenec in the pound, but the unpopular
ninspence will again have to receive the sanction of this
Yaw. (Cheers.) It is true that the Persian war is at en
mg, but we have still this Chinese war in band ; and we may
Wok eureitima vary hrtunste if that alone, before it is ott-
ani, does not east no a million, that ie to say an income tor
as peony In the pound. (Cheers.) We are going to the
leestiaat, sad we are about to meet our constituents, who
as. ny desM anxious for a reduction of taxation and of the
bwelme reethei upon them. When they find that three halt
bleu as cerise In the duties upon tee and sugar, and that the
beam tax, which was to cease in 1860, is still remaining
end will probably continue for a eeriest of years—let us ask
them to consider what is the cause of these burdens ; and let us
ask them whether they rainy do sanction and approve of that
turbulent and aggressive system of diplomacy—(cheers)—
which is so constant in its character, and which is
really the cause of our not being able to reduce
the income tax under present circumstances to that
more moderato amount which the country expects.
(Cheers.) For my own part, I must declare that
we have a duty to perform—namely, to support the govern-
mentof this country, of whatever elements it may be formed,
which has plunged this country into hostalities. (Hear.)
We are at war with China ; and however much we may
regret it, we must pursue the present policy until an opening
is offered us to bring this lamentable affair to a close. tinder
these circumstance I should no longer be justified in op-
peeing the bill of the Chem eller of the Exchequer, or even
in supporting any motion which would tend to reduce the re-
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sources parliament may place at the disposal of the ministry.
I lament the course which has been pursued, but I indulge
a hope that this will be the lest Whir of the kind, end that
the government will in future display a more conciliatory
disposition towards foreign countries than that which
they now appear on every occasion to show. (Cheers.)
When a policy is pursued which, without prejudicing
the honour and dignity and true interests of this country, is
at the same time not calculated to outrage every foreign state
with which we are in communication—then we may look for
economy, reduction of expenditure, and reduction of taxation ;
but until a policy of that kind is adopted I ern convinced
that our expenditure will only increame' and that our future
setpenditure will incense, with it. (Cheers.)
Mr. COCHRANE agreed with the right hon gentlemen
In hoping that before they went to the country the noble
recount would give there some intimation that his policy
would be changed towards foreign countries. The other
•Villiag ho (Mr. Cochrane) put a question to the noble lord
whit* he answered in a manner not very courteous. Ile (Mr.
Coshes) would put it to the house whether he had
axpremod any sympathy with the King of Napless On the
=, he deeply regretted the cruelties practised by that
upon hie subjects; and he brought forward the
natter beemue he thought the course pursued by the noble
lord was calculated to aggravate the suffer' oi these poor
(Hear, bear.) Ile hoped the polio lord would
out to them hopes of renewing our diplomatic relations
with the King of the Two Sicilics. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. W. WILLIAMS deeply regretted to find that the bill
=tto impose
ie would take the sense of tho home on that propo-
sition in committee.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY hoped that a clime would be
introduced to prevent persona who had paid the amount of
their tax to a fraudulent collector being compelled to pay it
over again. (Hear, hear.) He wished, too, to Ks) the prac-
tice of selling the old documents of the collectors as waste
paper discontinued. The tax was in itself mealy unjust.
There was an amount of 1,244,000/. of Long Annuities
which had only three year* to run ; but the same amount of
tat was paid on them loon the otherhuids. In fact, a man
who had 4,01301. in these annuities pod as high a per ventage
on his property ea a man who had 40,0001. in the consols.
Major REED maintained that it wee unfair to levy the
same rats of tax on ilIP01114•11 derived from land or funded
property aa on incomes arising from precarious professional
sources—the value of the one kind being from 214 to 30 yam'
purchre, and of the other from only two and a half t, three.
' the :node of assessment was grossly unjust. A rare

iteticrpaid a tax on 600 f. one year -woe- compelled to
return himself at the same nee the next year, although he
might in reality have earned Duly haN that amount, other-
wits he would be compelled to diode.e the state of his affairs
to his neighbour.. The next year this man might become
insolvent, and then, when the Court of Bankruptcy ascer-
tained the fart, it would brand him .a a swindler. (liter,
hear.) Again, if a tradesman showed his hooks, and it
should appear. from them that he wax making large profit.
from any particular branch of hie buena., the result might he
that ho would immediately see rivals springing up around
him. The result was that tradesmen were compelled to
submit to any injustice rather than appeal. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HEADLAM raid the rip. they had bend
were such as might have been made if the proposal of the
tric:...temnent had been to Memoir, or at say rate to renew the
tax on the same footing. Instead of that, how-
ever, it was really • propped to reduce it. He thought the
beet course they maid adept would be to renew the tax frees
year to year, and to reduce it by degrees. (Hew, hear.)
Mr. MUNTZ did not object to the bill, but he wined
the government sgainst supposing that the public would he
saddled with any mere alteration in the amount of the tee.
Thee object was based on the fact that the present mode
of de assessment involved great discomfort, and in rune
eases even robbery.
Sir 0. STRICKLAND contended that it was impeedble
by any alteration in its details to make the tax either aged
orjest. (Hear, bear.)
Dr. MICHELL, as he might not have a seat in the house
▪ s wished to express his views on the subject before the
beam He considered that the present mode of assessing
110 gm most unjust, especially to the owners of teeing pro-
who were made to pay on their capital invested,
productive or not. Still he thought the tax If pro-
pidy lev would bo the beat that cold be devised—sac

the right hon. gentleman mean by " thetnrbulent andaggros-
sire" foreign policy of the government? Does ho mean
that the war in which we engaged with many alliee against
Rumia, and which wee sanctioned by the whole nation—does
he mean to ray that that war wan, an instant...of turbulent
and aggressive policy!'" (Hear, hear.) Does he mean that
the peace which wee concluded at the termination of that war
wan an instance of " turbulent andaggrenive policy e" (Hear.)
Does he mean that the present state of our relations, under
which we are on the moat friendly fouling sill. France,
Austria, Sardinia, and the United Stater., is a proof of the
turbulent and aggressive policy of her ''.fl'esty's government ?
(Hear, hew.) Or does he mean that the treaty which we
have concluded with the United States, and which embraces
all the points of difference between the two countries, is
proof of our turbulent and aggro...lvo policy? The right
hon. gentleman referred to the late hnetilo operations in
Persia, and mid that that difference had arisen from a shame-
ful course. That war arose from the turbulent and aggro-
give policy of Pereia, which captured Herat, in violation of
the distinct engagement that had been made with this coun-
try; and every one who knows anything of our Indian em-
pire must know that it was a matter of greet importance
to sate prevent Persia from acquiring dominion over liernt
and the state of Afghan. (Hear.) Then I suppose the charge
tnalrelein. en‘ eneepobs paw stateL • `•
' epee what kaa peered In China. 1 =ppm° it Um beet
elemplified in the burninge, the poisonings, the inmost-
nations, and all those crimes which have been committed by
the Chinese against our fellow-eountrymen. I suppose that
that is what the right hon. gentleman meant by our turbu-
lent and aggressive policy. He said that we were just going
to our elections; end no doubt Una* sort of things are said
with reference to the hustings. (" Hear, hear," and
laughter.) But I beg to warn the right hon. gentleman that
" the turbulent and aggressive policy of her Majesty's govern-
ment" will not be a eucceseful election cry for him and his
friends. (Cheers.) The people of this country are too clear-
sighted end straightforward to be led away by any such de-
claration as that. (Neer, hear.) The pn'ple of this country
know the grounds on which they will be called to exercise
their franchise, and I have no doubt whatever that they will
give an answer to the questions put to them which may not
be altogether agreeable to the right hon. gentleman and those
who act with him. (Hear, hoar.)
Mr. GLADSTONE, considering that Lord l'alinerston
had. challenged the approbation of the boner of the foreign
policy of the government, by way of pretext briefly reviewed
that policy so respeged Perna, Naples (where, he thought,
we had done either too much or too little), China, and
America.
Mr. MALINS made some observations upon the income
tax in the abstract, and upon our interference in Neapolitan
affairs.
Mr. V. SMITH defended the course taken by the govern-
ment in the Persian dispute.
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the remit of our pro-
ceedings at Naples had shown the inconvenience of the
course which the government had pursued ; but he dissented
from the proposal to resume our diplomatic relations with the
King of the Two Sicilia, who had 'shown no desire to
change his mode of government. After some remarks upon
the inexpediency of producing papers while negotiations were
gdng on, Lord John suggested what he considered should
be the principles by which our negotiations with China ought
to be regulated. He then proceeded to diaeuaa the question
as to the maritime rights of neutrals in time of war, and the
proposition of the United States to exempt the ship and
goode of private merchants and of belligerents from capture.
If we were to agree to this proposition, he said, our being a
great naval power would be of no advantage to us ; we should
be exposed more frequently to war, and in war we should be
almost helpless at sea.
After a few words from Mr. Drummond, Mr. J. Philli-
more, and Sir C. Napier,
Mr. COBDEN mid he totally di& red from Lord J. Rus-
sell upon the subject of the United States' proposition, and
that at the proper moment he would offer arguments which,
be thought, might change Lord John's opinion.
This desultory discussion woo continued by Mr. Ncwde-
gate, Mr. Milne., Mr. Whiteside, and Sir F. Kelly.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, before
entering on the subject of the income tax, would gale the
position of the question referred to by bis noble friend the
member for the City of London. In coneequanee of the
°relegation with regent to neutral rights at Paris, a rommu-
niestion was made to the government of the United Stat.*
- them to accede to it. ' that they would

invit ... They mlied
be ready to give theiraeoereion, prov Med certain other ulterior
changes were added. Three changes were, that the geode of
the enemy carried in merchant vessels should be exempt
from ensure. This was a matter of very great
importance. No answer had yet been given; the
proposition was underthe serious cowidemtion of the govern-
ment, and they would not come to any deeieion without the
fullest attention to the important intereate involved. In re-
ference to the remnrke of the hon. and learned gentleman on
the income tax, he wax not quite sure how the act of 1863
could be considered recontmet; the find departure from it took
piece in 1854, when,.on the proposition of the member for the
17niversity of Oxford, the tax woo raise' from 7d. to 14d., so
that the right hon. gentleman himself woo the erg to
kick away the key-gone of his own arch. The act now in
force would enable the government to levy the tax at the rate
of 18d., and that set wee quite ea much a compact as the
preview one which it had altered. All ho now prepared to
do was to oak the house to th the tee at 7.1, for the present
year, and leave the new parliament to deal with the following
years.
The bill wee then read a emend time.
COMMITTEE OF SCEPLY.—THE NAVY
ESTIMATES.
The house then went into committee of supply ; Mr.
Femur( in the chair.
Mr. GLADSTONE—who had given notice of bin intro-
tion, on the motion for Mr. Speaker's leaving the chair to go
Into committee of supply' to move that, in order to secure to
the country that relief from taxation whieh it justly expecte,
it is nowsway, in the judgment of this how*, to revise and
further reduce the expenditure of the state—rose and said
that, owing to hie attention having been called away by hie
noble friend the member for the City of London, he had nut
°teemed when the question was put, and ho hoped he would
be allowed to make hie statement in committee.
Sir C. WOOD said be had given notice of hie intention to
bring before the house the estimates in committee, and ho
thought it would be more convenient to the house for him to
du KO.
Mr. FITZROY mid that the resolution of the right bon.
gentleman could not be moved in a committee of eupply, and
the right hon. baronet woo in poereionon of the committee.
Mr. GLADSTONE at °ell bow to the decision of the
chairman, but it woe through no fault of hie that he had loft
hie opportunity ; his attention had been diverted by a porn
whom he could not neglect; he trueted therefore that the
right hon. baronet would not rebut° to allow the bowie to
entente in ceder to enable him to make hie statement.
Sir C. WOOD wee very sorry he could not assent, but for
the lag two or three hours the house had been engaged in
diKnesing a great variety of topic., and he really thought it
" for better after such. a long dis.nesion that they

would be
should proceed to the business before them ; the right boil.
gentleman's own experience would chow him that such a
course would be more convenient. He did not wish to be
discourteous, but he could not consent to the proposal that
the house should resume.
Lord .1. Rt'SSELL wished to say that it was not the
fault of his right hon. friend that he had loot his oppnrtu.
pity. He (Lord J. Russell) had at the moment asked him
whether he meant to bring forward his motion. The right
hon. baronet might take any course be pleased, but he
thought entirtesy might induce him to accede to the proposal.
Sir C. WOOD said, ma he proposed to take votes on account,
he did not think it necessary to go at length into the different
items; he gave therefore, only one explanntiou of the reasons
why be had been unable to make a reduction of the number
of men to the extent he hod expected. He should move a
vote for the number of men (38,700 swollen and 15,000
marines) for four months only, and the money votes he
should ask were one-third of the estimates, amounting in the
e to 2,700,0001.
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lngriarleseion of the successive votes of supply was then
proceeded with.
In the course of the debate,
Sir C. NAPIER said. eorrddering that they were at war
with China, &vote of 63,700 men did not appear to hen at
all extravagant; on the contrary, he would have been very
glad to have stn a larger number proposed. Of the entire
number. 5,700 men were for the coast-guard senile. All
that remained, therefore, was 33,000 officers, seamen, and
boys, and 11,000 marines, a number which did not appear to
him at all excessive. Ho would like to know how stony of the
33,000 seamenwere continuous service men? also, how/many of
them were What were towed novices? Nook.- was a MOW 2/10111,
but the system which it indicated was a very good eau As
regarded the number of marine., perhaps the hon. member
for Lambeth was not aware that the government had eery
a wow of the sespoet towns