The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-05-07 00:00:00

&PERIAL PARLIAMENT.

• ROUSE OF LORDS,—TUESDAY.
'fhe t
,Ord
~ruvicELL took his seat on the Woolsack at
for O.OO. OR
d *"
AV
ice-ENSWoRTEE presented a petition from the
Sor:ie rRt, VpreSideßtLiverpool Guardian
alte,j, for the Protection of Trade, praying that m may
belie •Icitis Made in the County Courts Act, there should
,rheilt.erferenc with the Court of Passage.
°,f the Lord
CLIAscELLOR, moving the second reading
,`ll, at tb,„ count Courts' Act Amendment Bill, exp.l 101,.
(rle co' °?ject Was to carry out 'the recommendations
into the b„ rPtoissioners who were a ppointed to enquire in be "slues% who stated that t:h.e salaries ot judges should
Paiq
the 40 out of consolidated. funds, which would reduceat
it ',vas °lint to be levied it'. fees to about one half of wh
kite at the present time,
tike, t‘ a brief discus. ion, the bill was read a second
Oh,
tzt; also°lttt Stock Bank Winding-up Act Amendment
lordshipfir
rosea at seven O'clock.
liesusE

The s ' OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY.
anal c?,,41(.t1t took the chair at four o'clock.
lha 111417 Gas Bill, and the Edinburgh Water Bill,
Iv inter 4.41'-'-le'eeste and Welford Road Bill, were severally
Pau)
0,.,7
ay
passed.
And Nu) corn' tue (ay for the second reading of the Dub-
NI the PatlY s (Number two) Bill was discharged,
;4'4 bill was withdrawn
—l4' Rave notice that on the 3rd of June. he should
-q"ell,,,,lresolution for the abolition of ministers' money in
4
NT,t."IY to 1/
17pt_ E. DENNVON,
111C1 I) 44' satd the disembodiment of the Irish militia
ani wa' roceed on the s e plan as that of the English;
thetisttlisaY, those billet would be disembodied first ,
as tr horaes°se nn barracks. The men would arrive at
Ip any
itle at a time when labour would be as abundant
krPIY to 11Ir. titp, •Vtt, • Lthe Year •
MONTGOMERY
Otltilt. 41°N said that the Government had intended to
the ►aad `fgroe!ail for. the coach in the transmission of the
Mullingar to Longford, but the demand of
„,k=reat Western Company for the. service was
to ttho Government proposed, in the present
4Nut"',4Y e4-°,..rin in a bill to give them greater power over
w4.l[lpallleS•
da,k4ti 1114iP4t Po ned his motion on the subject of
° IrelandsA°ill the Monday after the IN hitsun-
ip k!ee3s.
„1313* to
roltk ?its ',r• F. FRENCn,
IlexUte.f6 i)titaaid the militia would receive the remainder
Year. tIY, when they were called out for training

The
to.. ad;,,_ THE TREATY or PEACE.
,11111.14.e4c4rneCi debate on the Treaty of Peace was
ibc'tleinsi k'•
S' LIN SAwho expressed satisfaction at th.e.
''' elp'.°4 of b 11---Y'
which accomplished all
than pet, of =eace upon terms
al 11 he h the war, and contained. more concessions
Ft'oilitaleatclo I°Ped for. He anticipated tnedatitohne,
from
mattehset
tlie ng of ~. Ragland, as a commercial
' F,l3re`rit; ""e Black Sea • and expressed concurrence in
1:141,."% gq,3-I.bY which neutral flags were to cover the
tre 's it -
0 431 HitaasionE regretted the provision In the
1111. Y eY Willett neutral vessels were to be allowed to
the neatn.Y's good which he looked upon as a Tinc
of
l'a' Crt. 4,,,; In:nernoris'la d undoubted belligerent rightt
r—
;o4iTla°lillaw. upon sauchnanim important question of in
hade
tle'lPort, thought that Pprliament should have
•TlOll A,l."'itY of expressinga its opinion before any
yiee ma was e to,
Nll.ll °C title t'or f GRANDY expressed his general appro-
l'ifot., DER ms of Pea". , the peace, but desired
NJ,. •qa.tio4
.44,4 T approved of
o •leets c. with regard to the position of the Christian
tv-41:,luili°' the Porte He could not help thinkingthat
we far fro operatio.ns after the capture of Sebastopol,
1\14.12,,,f1/4 satisfacto'y.
itQth" Pe g.'"51°1413 offered some remarks upon ecelesiasti-
lesoefitti_Os, observing that the secret of all
.the
the c'vertledu4?loo arose from the fact that the ecclesias-
ireeolomastiee laity, whereas, the laity should govern
~tale' .5....)Wy, -•
k,, l) 41,1 It vindicated the policy. of Roman. Catholic
I:Ldayar'drePlied to instances of intoleration adduced by
V‘a,,a an-vaf' Itust,tra.and Mr. DRUMMOND denied that there
',lr, Venda.tion for the statements referred to.
facto' q",l'llNcx offered some remarks upon the treaty.s.
-`°y ''''Llwer.r. considered the terms of peace sati
ti,4,. ~,,
1 P4' r'r2GßA.r.ri did not think, upon the whole, that
, air. i,e Wa s either safe or satisfactory-
t'oelt,,
espleeiallils" generally aproved of the treaty, and
be
.snotitrain,y, pleased with the provisions in regard
en,i'"eurr,?, . Which, however, he did not. think would
, to priv,o in by the -United States, as it would put an
il.. w...ate,Ting.
CeaßBl:llTEsinE thought that the question relating to
4,,,fetu,.:44€1 to the Belgium press should be reserved
ti °it `-' uonsideration.
that 14 t'4/38TONE found cause for both joy and satisfac-
Or„e 11,4 terms of peace, and in the purity of the motives
. Aftera•ete the Allies during the continuance of the
j„' sata, referring to the affairs of Italy, upon which
tm,ioo,tiat Mr. Bowyer, in attempting to remove the de-
ee -d°,l others, had himself fallen into delusions, he
I.
et:' to allude to Lord Clarendon's conduct, with
thq tilee to f,
tl4. elgiart
~--..?unt Walewski's speech, on the freedom of
th eildOu r'"3- He considered that the reply to Lord
at th., ',as clear and prudent, and. he only regretted
ofter' 'natter had been introduced into the Conferences.
.10,m pa'Afe.w_rtelnaarks from Mr. HADFIELD,
ecijo`tilte Deac7thasnl'ut,bi observed that more had been gaidnehde
NI:T.(1:d that ne Allies
thhaindgever anticipated, an
Niaid' might not therer was
1?(3 Thienitiohbeletrleoartdy
Of t, erabie , n rejoice in. . whichreferred
t
and tlebat_le gth to all the points touched in the course
twent '1 man( his speech, which occupied one hour
..°4siat• Y tainutes was delivered to a very thin Housf:
al'aesttiltil wthags ntfhleiltle. More than forty members ; the an.iena.
Th-eulla.,
agii.i4odytoleave. wlttidravm, and the ongina,
°llse
aelj° arned at half-past two o'clock.
tivE r

The r,
trild' 41"ving letter, which was posted yesterday in the
the
4°4l4.lters' Rooms, affords pleasing testimony its Ltll.a.t the investigations of the Compass Comtmoittee
44.5,.-log carried forward with spirit, and to
promise
sea-
ket; oa both useful and interesting results. Few but
n.
14riersel,aetIllainted with the special subject of. theseh lc.
41. Of t},ullt every one can appreciate the practical c ara
this
-Le sUggestion which has recently emanated from
oliera°„ittee and which the Dock Committee are very
ayaternY about to carry into effect,
a complete
aited
" That
,_°ll the of "oaPass bearings shall be conspicuously ul ttnp Fartnek alls, by which the captains of vesysehplasnlyfiinvge
testa'
Nie . of the 'Mersey, for a space of more t
v,lll be ",
a. able, with the least imaginable treotuebetle,antyo
ett,rt:l,- correctness of his compasses, Nastr4 whether arising from local attraction or or faulty
11113stAlleic:11.'' It will be seen that the letter ntains a
°I the .44 84 well as complimentarice of the labours
Conloaittee :
y, no t

':4"00L COMPASS COMMITTEE

Sit
pm ~....1 a„s
...
Whitehall,
If til"). ectii4t,Trected by the Lords of
the
rece.r,
i t of the
lilu°,l, Of th.,f?r Trade to acknowledge hlkCr ao
ym
5,
i lt
t 8 e 5 6e
. of
n ' soa,i , e Liverpool Compass Committee for the year
t.'‘ 4.11, ' ara to acquaint you that they have submitttehde
itl,ll4°:enringts°
or'f rtehne'sorAiry, who has reported that.
Committeeare of, a very satisfactory
~ 'Sly I:34raging nature
ti 41
t ords
N. 11,,, entirely concur in this opinion, and will con
b- ear, in- rant of one hundred pounds (X,100) for another
I°4 tt; aid °f the expenses incurred by the Committee,.
lbedie 'lBanle terms as the original grant.—l am, Sir, your
NThollt servan " H. FARREL
:1 14s troeltleb k, Esq., Chairman of the Compass
tfuttee, 40, Tower Buildigs, Liverpool.
..................._

CRIMEAN ENQUIRY.
The ,
A -ooard meta gain yesterday morning, when
Tell Medical certificate was produced, showing that Colonelffering
teve°enill Was unable to attend, in consequence
tla hry Y frorn exhaustion both of mind and bodoyf,sburought
,a,_rnental exertion and anxiety.
the Ilieral Grey said he had great objections to proceed in
TheBe,l,leo of Colonel Tulloch.
%inte \Anil remarked that the appearance of the
Rovertii4_ before the board was not contemplated by the
geneunent when the board was instituted. . commis-
l'oeeedal Grey consented to waive his objections and to
The e
alk)t ourt thereupon intimated to him that if he
of
the t° eontin -
impugn the conduct .
NII • thereupon
as yesterday, to .
report, it
ltoilid Jnisstoners in the preparation of their r were
Tulloo," itnproper to proceed in the absence both of Col.
trltig a" SrS J. Al‘geill.
_ron„,
n Adnai.r-T.J., General Grey went on
.with his case..
pEsti4 Qtr D. Dundas was examined, and, in reply to
ar,ibl th respecting the supply of canvass
Sr
,arrjr.eynntne.r_s,
hell e fl'et. gave replies Similar to those of ir E.
examinee
by Colonel Tulloch.
~,_

Nvr ."cks
esked •---During the month of April 157 vessels
2wer.
1,111, Feta,' In the month of January the number was 65. ,
'" eery, 174 ; and in March, 145 ; making a total in
A At
,:13111' Months of 741 vessels.
-41104 rticulthly meeting of the Polytechnic Society, Mr.
tike' ,t• e/hih.ted a model of Allyn's Patent Capstan , com-
:of nlaPle, and effective, and altogether nuperceding the
het.voakw.iistidlase, on board' ship, as the power is increased
. lfti 14, f, by a simple and instant applian.ce, without ever
v`ltenr:i've`i's bars. It is an American invention, and is
:11104. q used there, both on board ships and steamers, for
44
the' 13IirP°`eF• The' enterprising firm of Train and Co.
tr the 124 entirely, and Captail, Newlands, of the Champion
4,4ltealia%eans,', who has one fitted on board this splendid
o
;ell' oth„ hoar,'" packet, " considers it greatly superior t
'NI .'r he seen•" Shipbuilders and owners would
tor It to their interest to adopt it, and it can be fitted up
ballell le n
"Pstan 68 than the cost of the ordinary windlass and

SELECT COMMITTEE ON LOCAL

CHhRGES ON SHIPPING

HOUSE OF COMMONS, AL./ND-PLY.
.Mr. Worthington was re-called, to amend a statement
which he had made on a previous day, that the river
Weaver was not within the port of Liverpool; he had
singe found that the whole of the navigable portion of the
Weaver was within that port. As a manufacturer and
exporter of salt, he complained both of the Wearer and
Liverpool dues. With regard to the latter, leis complaint
was that he was charged dues both inwards and out-
wards, for which no benefit was given in return. Salt
sent to Liverpool for consumption there did tut pay
Town Dues. The Weaver was navigable for ehii.;s of 120
tons, and the coastwise salt trade was exposed to great
competition from the saitworks on the Trent and Mersey
Canal, and also those works communicating with the
London and North Western Railway. Formerly sent a
great quantity of salt coastwise to London ; but in conse-
quence of the great reduction of carriage by canals he
now sent none. Salt was carried to London by railway
from Droitwich to Camden Town at 6s 8d per ton; by
the Trent and Mersey, and other canals, at a reduction
of near fifty per ceut. The cost from Nantwich to
London, including Weaver dues, would be 14s tid per
. ton—the canal freights connected with the Weaver not
being reduced in the same proportion as others. The
tolls and charges for the use of the Weaver, and the broad
waters to the sea, amounted to 2s 6d per ton, whilst
3s i6d was only charged as interest on the heavy canal
works fur conveyance for 160 miles. He complained that
the dues on the Weaver and at Liverpool had not been
reduced in the same proportion as canal charges, so that
they were, exposed to an unequal competition kwith the
saitworks of Droitwich and other places. If he sent
coals to Ulverstone or other places on tho coast, the
Weaver due was Is and the Liverpool Town Dues 3d per
ton. The railway and canal competition were so great,
that he had ceased to ship salt for must of the ports of
the United Kingdom, with which he formerly did a con-
siderable business.

By Mr. Horsfall : Was aware that the shipment of salt
from Liverpool had increased very much of late years ;
but so it had from other ports.
By the Chairman: Freemen of Lil/4:erpool paid no Town
Dues for foreign exportation-, While he had to pay 6d per
ton. A Liverpool freeman could, therefore, export salt
to New York and other places and undersell him, the
profit being sometimes much less than 6d per ton. From
the difficulty of obtaining coal, there had been no increase
i❑ the salt works on the Weaver Considered Liverpool
was very materially benefitted by the Cheshire salt
works ; it was one of the earliest articles exported, and a
great number of vessels bringing goods to Liverpool took
return cargoes of salt.
_ By Mr. Watson : Now sent no salt to London, in conse-
quence of the competition from other places ; but had
found other markets for his trade, which had very con-
siderably increased. A great deal of salt was sent from
Cheshire by canal and railway to Newcastle. Much was
also sent to Hull from Cheshire.
By Mr. Vance : Sent salt to Dublin ; had never had to
pay dues there, as they were paid by
-the importers.
The next witness called was
Mr. George Morrisey, of St. John's, N.B. He was of
the firm of Morrisey and Shive, of that city—and their
business was partly that of exporters of timber and deals.
His attention had been directed to the Liverpool Town
Dues, from the charge for same always appearing in the
account sales they received from their agents, Fernie
Brothers and Co. of Liverpool. They could never under-
stand the nature of the claim so made—felt it a hardship.
They had to pay Is on every 120 deals, which was about
81 per standard, and Od per load on timber. His firm
had paid over .e2OO last year, and the whole amount paid
by the province last year as Liverpool Town Dues, would
rather exceed £4,000 for exports and imports. There
were about 50,000 loads of timber, and about 66,000 stds.
of deals, exported to Liverpool from St. John's and other
ports of New Brunswick, and considerable quantities of
salt, (on which the Town Dues are 6d per ton), cordage,
chains, and other necessary outfits for new ships, with
quantities of iron, tze., are imported from Liverpool. On
all these Town Ones are paid. The subject had lcd to
much grumbling in St. John's, where no one could under•
stand the principle on which Town Dues were demanded.
Dock Dues they did not grudge, either on ships or car-
goes, as there they got value, He believed the freemen
of Liverpool escaped this tax on their own imports. The
proportion of the dues as compared to the prime cost of
the deals, would be about 2id. He believed 2d per bale
was the amount of Town Dues on cotton, and that he
considered disproportionate when compared to the value
of deals or timber, and the rate charged on them. Re-
garding the other landing stage, which, he understood,
was to be placed in the river opposite the docks, he could
not see its utility, and did not think he should be taxed
in any way for its building or maintenance, as it could
not be of any use to their colonial business. He thought
the Liverpool people should pay their own Town Dues or
rates, and rather encourage traffic by making no such
claim on the importer. Was cf opinion the tax on im-
porters was unjust, as there was no compensation for it:

- By Mr. Horsfall : The charge on timber and deals in
London were very little more than in Liverpool

By Mr. Headlim : The exporters of salt paid the Town
Dues.

By Mr. Lowe : Salt is sometimes got from Turks Island,
but it is used for a different purpose to the Liverpool
salt.

these. deer); they Contributed nothing for the trade, and
'the trade would be better with oat them. The loss of
business to himself, represented by the £l5 to £2O per
year of Town Dues, was equal to £BO to £lOO per year.
By Mr. Horsfall : The carriage of goods from Manches-
ter to London would be 275. per ton, and from Liverpool
to Manchester 10s. per tom He found niore confidence
among his mercantile friend-s in the measurement on which
goods, were chargedfreight in London than in Liverpool.
The Dock Trustees in Liverpool took no interest whateirer
in the measure Trent of the goods.
. By the C iairrnan Tr ought if the shippers of goeds at
Liverpool had a vet .0 in tr.O election of the dock commit-
tee, they would have greater facilities There was con-
siderable jea'ousy between the Corporation at Liverpool
and the Dock Trustees. Considered the Dock Trustees
levied quite enough to give every facility to trade. It
would also be of advantage to the shipper if they had only
the Dock Trustees to deal with, instead of being obliged
to attend the office of the Town Dues ; they derived no
benefit from these dues ; the amount levied was fixed
arbitrarily, and often it was very difficult to ascertain the
amount on any particular article. The custom-house
would not pass the goods unless the Town Dues were
paid. From the want of knowledge of the exact amount
the corporation had a right to levy, temptations were
afforded to apprentices and clerks sent to pay the dueS,
and there was no check on them.
By Sir J. Duckworth = The tariff of the Town Dues
was so absurd, that it was very often impossible to ascer-
tain the proper amount to be charged.
By the Chairman: Freemen have the advantage of not
paying tolls, and it was a common practice of agents who
were freemen to enter the geodS of their principals as
theirs, in order to sae the Town Dues. Generally, the
dues on imports were double the amount of those on
exports, which bore seriously on the Irish trade, the im-
ports from Ireland being double the export. Southport
was within the limit of the port of Liverpool; it was a
bathing place, but not a place of trade. No Town Dues
were levied there, because there was nothing on which to
levy them. A considerable quantity of land was annually
washed away from the Cheshire side of the Mersey, near
its mouth, from the want of an embankment. Thought
they should get on much better at Liverpool, if they got
rid of the jealousy of the corporation as to the shipping
of goods. Would recommend that the corporation should
not elect any portion of the dock trustees. Thought the
trustees should be elected by the contributors to the dock
rates, without reference to residence.
By Mr. Horsfall : Did not think the interests of the
bondholders who held bonds to the amount of £5,000,000,
would suffer by such an arrangement.
By the Chairman: Did not think the confidence of the
bondholders would be at all lessened if the dock trustees
and the corporation were entirely separated. Would not
sav it would be increased.
Mr. Darnton Lupton, senior partner in the firm of
Lupton and Co., clothiers, of Leeds, and deputy chairman
of the Leeds Chamber of Commerce, said he attended on
behalf of that body, who considered it a gross injustice
to pay a tax to the borough of Liverpool, from which
they derived no benefit. Last year 7,300 tons, or between
40,000 and 50,000 packages, were sent from Leeds to
Liverpool for shipment, on which 21 per package was
paid for Town Dues. A considerable quantity of wool
was imported into Liverpool and purchased by the manu-
facturers of the West Riding, on which a toll of 4d per
pack was paid He believed the town of Fleetwood had
sprung up entirely in consequence of the heavy charges
at Liverpool. Goods which used to be sent to Belfast
and the north of Ireland via Liverpool were now almost
invariably sent to Fleetwood.
By Mr. Horsfall: Knew nothing of Fleetwood per-
sonally, and could not say whether or not it was in a
flourishing condition; there were no local dues there.
By Mr. Vance : The average value of the packages sent
to Liverpool was from £2OO to £4OO.
By Mr. Horsfall : Did dot mean to say that the oppres-
sive charge of 2d. on a bale worth £2OO to .4'loo had
caused goods to be sent to Fleetwood. This was only
one item of the charges at Liverpool. Complained more
of the nature than the amount of the dues.
By Mr. Fenwick : If the amount was expended in im-
proving the navigation of the Mersey he should not object
to the payment.
Mr. Charles Henry Jones, of Huddersfield, said last
year he was chairman of the board of local commissioners
at that place. The board had requested him to attend
the committee, to state that a tax levied on their trade
solely for the benefit of Liverpool was unjust and injurious.
Dewsbury, and other places in the neighbourhood,
imported a considerable quantity of inferior quality wool
through Liverpool, ou which the Town Dues were 41 per
pack. Logwood dyes and other goods were also imported,
and much of their manufactured goods was exported from
Liverpool. Should not object to the dues, if appropriated
to the improvement of the port.
The committee adjourned at half-past three, until
Thursday at noon.