The Express.
London, England, 1850-06-06 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDSZSDAT, Jneis 3.
TM Mime seembled this day at 12 o'elock, accordin
le preview arrasienieat, la the new bum. (hero wu
bet a this attendance of ssamben in the Ant instance' bat
die Speaker eas ibis to Mks ths obeli, by See minutess:tar
twelve.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
EDI/CATION Bat..—By Mr. FRE WEN, from Brighton ;
Ma. W. BROWN, from a piddle sawatiast is Liv.aptiol;
is Amer of this bill : tha Earle ARUNDEL, from a plus
sot bawd; Mt. BANKS'S, atom the archdeacon and claw
of Oleeesater ; molest tee bill.
Earchirtomr.—My Mr. N. GIBSON, fr,ra the cnemitte•
MI die Laws/Airs rabbi Sebool Assocnatios. eomplUniog of
&Seim istormsdee sad imperfect Muss as to Uses, us,
seil preppie/ the Mess to adder@ her Majesty, riquoliag
that anamwslaners Lett be sent into Luau:bars sad
ether Gawks to report at the state of eduattioa la every
Patilit•

Mg se ha did that reliable had
tho Itaadmaid of edaestism Pi It
Ups at oil events that sash
those who voted &maul this
of the powers of bell, sad
it wore sods, is favour of
The f3P BA K —0 Eder.
it,. P. WOOD—He heard melt aa ezpesesioa. Although
ha wes glad that the boa. ranaber lobo proposed this ram
we
abstained !asap of those idle sad foolish szpromiose
which appeared to be prevslo-t oa this subjset, it at the
Wort of his speech he somewhat lastiverteutly introduced
some of Mae views. The hem gestimma mod • domi-
nos* to the house parroting to eseams from a meld,
of workirg.tma • sad he said that he believed the
of the wo;klag visa were sot saderstood. Hu (Itr.
trte7).belleved them to ham thwaveng• amount of laud.
Ma that the rest of anaklad had, bat be mast bet imm
Nil that the first seatosee of that deessamt sea Wided hint
was eat a weritiag maws predaotioa. sober Wird,
o
MO sash eaprewMas se " the pleat bis sad 1
=il alet
jeipasat of ear offspring should set he sahlwaftlitail
exterael prowerti." Au bee. member said dm
it. Thatmas his evmplaist. His groat eowigialat wee *MI
of this idle spasm of --
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DISTRZIPIL—By Mr. TORKE, frog a

public meet of ininersa;d secuPiers of land. coniplaialsg
Of distress prying for the r,-eascuaest cf preemie.
sameares.
Mar? TA=.—By Mr. M. MILNRS, from Ferrybridge,
Yorkshire, he the repeal of the malt-tax.
Samos Banns.—By Mr. FORSTER (place not heard)
Le a semisweet audit of the amount, Moaners banks.
'UPERANNUATION LO
ALWANCES TO POOR-
LAW OFFICERS.
Mr. FITZROY asked if it was the in,ention atoms-
Moat to pressed with a bill for updating then allow-
man ?
/Ir. BAINES said the subject was ewe ea whisk a great
assay petitions had been presented in this sad the last am
aloe; cod he was anxious to take that opportunity of stating
what hod been done by the Poor-law Hurd. The oaf
priseipl• on which a fend of this kind mid be Pinned, so as
to rewire the mactim of puliamint, was by making deduc-
tions trim the salaries of the poor. law omsen themselves,
without meaning either to the pm rates, or to any ether
public fond. That there !sight be so minprreben.ion on the
poiat, be had drawn up • hill oa that principle, and circa-
lated smong the poselaw ettl:ers throughout the country,
Though soy of them approved the principle, yet the
lenity were opposed to it; and as it would he improper to
nodes* such • bi:l agaiast the opinion of the mvority, or
ladeed without the coccurrence of th- poor-law officers
gesseally. it was sot the 'ideation of the Poor-law Board to
propose any measure on that subject. (Hear, hear.)
CLERKS IN THE POST-OFFICE.
Mr. ANSTEY gave cones that on as early day he should
penises • petition from the clerks is the Post-oface, aid
nom that the sane be printed.
THE MEMBERS' OALLERY.
Mr. HANKIES stalled to a-k the Speaker whether mem-
bers wield he allowed to speak from the gallery which had
beet appropriated to them at the math end of the house,
sal which was considerably ballad the bar. Hs had al-
wipe understood, in the former homes they had (couplet.,
that no member wee albwed to souk from any part of the
house which was decidedly behin.l the bar ; and as, when
the attendance approached a complement, so large • portion
of members suet necessarily sit is the gallery, it was impor
teat to know whether or not they would be permitted to
address the biome from that pima.
The SPEAKER, who was very lailietinctly heard in the
=, was understood to say that the menoen' gallery.
a literally behind the bar, was considered part of the
beam, and that, coasequeutly, memben would be allowed 11
to speak ham their places there.
Mr. BANKES said that, as one of the strangers'
guile-
rtes Immediately adjoined that for members, it might lead
to • doubt whether or not a member was addressing the
loose.
TM SPEAKER said that if an hoe. member ea.' in his
in the gallery he esseeived there would he no
Welty.
Hamra fathomless were given from the body of the
house that some of the members la the gallery should speak
from it; but, no one rising, the subject dropped, and the
home proceeded to the orders of the day.
EDUCATION BILL.—ADIOURNED DEBATE.
TM debate oa thin bill, adjourned from the 17th of Apnl,
Ina dna resumed.
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Mr. ANSTRY mid it wee his wish to assist the km. ISM.

mu &veiled theeassivis •
Hs should show what eshbration bad lon given by %Ira
forest religious societies, sod then ask what had bees dens
by the schools of the philosophers. He would bogie it the
beginning. In what were celled the disk egos where was
there any niuseidon moue im ommemies with the religious
iamitstiose I The only ledhomailkla Shot possessed one de-
rived from the relighgesimilkations and the wheels feuded
by them. He had •MI of gratitude to dis Marge an thoi
cecaelos. Be had kimeniflujoyed the advantage, in teem-
moo with many other he.. meshes% of being connected
with the tidal Motivation Mg edmention in this country.
The Methadon founded by Mains of Wyksham, had
sow for upwards of 440 rem been pouring a stream et edu-
cation throughout the anatr and it continued to flourish,l
as he trosted it ever would do. That shod of eda•
cation was founded by • churchman ; it was
founded lon religiose principles, and for religious
ducetion. But it was not founded for religious
education alone. William of Wykeham well knew that no
person could be properly educated utiles@ all the powers of
his 'Mod were developed is harmony. (Hear, hear.) It
was • monstrous calumny on the church, and on the dials.
rent religious bodies, to say that they had ever been op.
posed to the development of the utelisctual powers (Hear,
hew.) Their religious institutions all recognised this truth,
that in man there were istelleetnel, moral, and religions
fumbles, and that this equal and harm 460111 development
of thou faculties was the only real education. William of
Wykeham's motto wee, " Manners maks the man," and he
took no bigoted view of the subjoin of *dn.:teflon. Bien
was la the reign of Henry VI. (eluded on the same prin-
ciple, as were also Westminster and the various other public
scoools. In the time of Henry VIII., unfortunately,
a um spatialx took place with reference to those
funds which might have been devoted to educe.
tion ; but when, through the influence of the
clergy, and especially of Cromer, some few fragments were
saved, they were devoted entirely to the purposes of educa-
tion. The church had at all times distinguished If in
promoting the cause of education. Henry the Vil ith
founded another institution to which he (Mr. W. P. Wood)
was indebted, namely, Trinity College, Cambridge; the
foundation being such that man of every line of politics
had bees collected within the walls. They then came to
the reign of Edward VI., and from sons additional frag-
ments there was founded Mika, reign Christ's Hospital, in
which flee or six hundred ehildren received not only religi-
ose bet seeder education. Is that reign eighty public
schools were founded throughout the country, amongst
which was • valuable one in the towr, of Birmingham. That
was the state of things down to the time of the reformation.
Wee then any cessation in this alone ? He did not fled
any unless it were during the troubles of the civil war.
No softer were matters tranquillised by the restoration than
education was @gain set forward. Aad by whom ? By the
philosophers, of whom there were many in the reigns of
Charles 11., James 11., and William ? ; the only echei.s
founded fir the poor la than ridges were founded by the
clergy. (Hear, hear.) It was • remarkable tact that in
167 i, soon after the restoration, there was founded • society
for educating the poor of Wale., who were then, as he feared
indeed they wen still, is a pulls: state of destitution as
regarded education. That society was founded by several
misuse men, who signed a paper pledging themselves to
out religious instruction in Wales by dittoing religions
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Oldham ( r. W. J. Fox) in his wise and lineal as - -
weeks, and by hieing the children taught to nad end write
tempt to spread the blessings of education ; and if that hoe. and to cast accounts. The first names which he found on
lumber persevered with the, bill, it should have his coo. this paper were thou, of Tillotson Sti lingfieto Patrick, and
tinned support. This had been said to be a 'patio' between Fowler, all of whom were afterwards selected h 7 the crows to
Chrietheity and infidelity, between heaven sad hell. He All the once of bishop, and he could wish that all subset
regretted thst such a construction had Wu put owls the quint appointments had been equally good. Then was
question, whieh we not thus fairly reoriented. The objet- also the name of Richard Baxter, a name fir
teas to the bill were mostly of a fanciful thireen, resting which he entertained a high degree of veneration, though
rather on suspicions ae to what might be the results of the it belonged to one who became • nonconformist from the
bill, than on any more solid ground. Many objections had church. His object eve to show that it was the religious
been drawn from the systems of education on the Contiaent, sentiment which had been the great case of the promotion
but the error was in attributieg to those systems effects of education in this country, and that without ref, reels te
which were not properly tradeable thereto. Allusion sects. He claimed for the chum, the merit of pre-emanate"
had bona made to the enetifition of the I;aivenity In carrying eat the education of the people.
of Pans, which peened the power of supplying Mr. M. GIBSON here made an observation, which WO.
tabeben to the primary schools; but, on the testimony inaudible In the gallery. •
of Mont-lembert end other eminent men of that country, Mr. W. P. WOOD continued. His hon. friend the same
the system op-rated es &complete 'monopoly in the hands of bar f.r Manchester said the 'church was second. That was
the church. It had bees urged by the opponents of this a deplorable ezhibition of the ignorance which existed with
measure that secular Instruction formed bat a small part reger ito that subject. (Cheers.) It was a most remarkable
of ideation—the latter term having been applied by the feet that they should find such ignorance even there. He
hos. member for Oldham to the objects of his b.ll. Perhaps was prepared to establish his position ray facts and LOUIS.
it would have been better had he used the term instruction; The first move in eds.:sten after the restoration was that to
but the object of the bill was abundantly clear. Ample which he had just referred, couch had Wale for its object.
facilities would be afforded the poor, under this bill, tor The next move was • net nierkable meeting, which pro-
obtaining religious instruction nem their own teachers; deed the Christian Knowledge Society. It was hela on the
while it enured that no child should be excluded from Bth of March, 1699; a meeting of five individuals who thee
secular instruction on Ensue of any peetharitie is the biped together with energy and perseverance. Of those five
rsligi„,oi treed of its poits. The Rowe lord (Luc J. lies. persons lour were members of the church ; only one we •
soli) objected to the separation of secular from religious clergyman ; one was • jcdge, another a colonel in the army
education, and said the measure tended to centralization. Their first resolotion was as follows:—" We, whose names
The latter charge was wholly unheeded, as the kn. as undersigned, do subscribe annually the sums affixed to
member for Oldham only roped to avail himself of the our Isever.l names for promoting Christian knowledge."
misting machinery—that of the Committee of Privy Council, How ? 'Be creating carechetical schools, by raising cate ,
For his own part, he should prefer the machinery employed chetical lending libraries for the I market towns, by 1
by the Lancashire Public Schools Association. The noble distributing good hooks, or where's, as the society shall
Ines object as were directed "inlet a principle which the direct." The very fleet thing which this new society did was
goverment had recognised sheeted on,which theComenittee to establish good echoes for the education of the poor.'
of Privy Council hid proposed to nearly every school in the The first meeting having taken place in 1699, fin years
kinglon, and which had been adopted in almost every in- afterwards there was holden the first of those annual
stance, the principle being the separation of religi ,us gatherings of charity schools which had taken place every
and wear teaching. This bill only went • step further, year down to the present time in this metropolis ; and such
by separating the secular (rem the religious teacher, !tad been the efforts of the founders of the society in the in-
Mom of the pinkies egsiut this measure were equally terve, that there were 2,000 children prevent. In 1719. only
directed against the system of the Privy Council, for be 30 years after the first meeting, there were in England, in
Weeleyaas and other bodies objected to the stet' iodinating consequence of the society's operations, 1,6.58 school., con.
altogether. Is May, 1843, the members of the church and wining 27,00 boys and 7,000 girls. It had been said that
several din Wirer bodies had petitioned against the education the church never thought of forming a national society till
clauses of the Factory Bill of Sir J. Graham ; the ground Lancaster set up his school. He had shown that the church
then taken was that children of d.fferept denominations emoted in the work of education a century before Lancaster
ought not to be subjected to the same reli- was heard of The truth was that in consequence of the
gious discipline, but that the legislature night deal growing operations of the Christian Knowledge Society,
wholly with the secular training of the children, the National Society split off 11.4132 it. Hence the common
This was the position of the question ae it was left by the trick saying, that the National Society was only founded in
hill of 1843. What we the meat petition ? In the first 1811. Dr. Bell, a clergyman of the church, eatahlithed a
plain, from aim, to tea millions of the people of this cowry school in Madras, in conformity with his views, in 1789. In
were waiting fen secular education, and it was now saner. 1797 het:SUS to England, where he established a school at
lodged that voluntary efforts, though aided by greats from Aldo'''. In 1795 Joseph Lancaster was • lad 18 years of
the state, were insuiliment. Aid in the manufacdsing agei hut eels at that age. Wind actively angered in a school
districts Weenie, instead of progression, had retrograded. tstablished by his father, he introduced great improvements
He had visited many of the mensal schools in Ireland, in toe system of instruction. Is the work published by hi 11
and he found that harmony existed oulv where there in 1803 he eaorassad his "nit that he was wit acquainted
was a wise compromise between the Roman catholic with the details of Dr. Belle system till he had somewhat
clergyman and the protestant clergyman, and where they advanced in his plan, e it would have saved him much
abseiled from inculcating any hat those relines pri trouble. The National !society having been formed in 1811,
pies which all parties deemed to be seleatial. And it was to the British and Foreign School Society, which adopted Mr.
have schools where there was so such religious isstruction Lancaster's system, was not established till 1812. His hon. •
that we the object of this bill. There was another point friend the heather for Manehnter we., therefore, under al
which those who opposed the bill because of its centralising meet remarkable hallucination in supposing that the church
influence ought to bee in mind, and that was that the fund had ever lagged behind in the great work of educating the
out of which the expenses wen to be paid was a local food, poor. (Hear, hear.) But it was of much more importance
and was under local management. if they these out this 'to ascertain how the church bad been doing her duty to
bill they indirectly asserted that they were satisfied with the I wards the people amongst wham they lived and moved. He
present system. would jut all the attention of the house to what had
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said if there was one question on been done from the institution of the National Society in
which gentlemen of all sides red lees unanimous, it wee 1811 down to the present time ; end he would particularly
that the state ought to undertake the education of the mount them to mark what an improvement had resulted
people. Absent all the coatneion that had seises on this from the system adopted by the goverment, or rather by
subject had mien from confounding the two terms "its- penitent, of making grants as stimulants to ode-Athos.
enaction " sad " education." Even the boe acd limited From 1811 to 1838 the National S ithey exp -need 104,0001,
gentleman the member for Sheffield, in his speech the other being at the rate i f about 3,8001. a year. There was then
Loh', regarded them as synonyseths term•. Some would introduced the system of making annul greats in aid of
lave biblical *dentin, some ',violent 'dustmen, s ins voluntary sentinel- What was the result as retarded this
religious 'deletion ; and there were all sorts of epithets. particular society ? Why, eerie in the first 27 years of
Now he believed that state education MY an Impossibility. t's existent it o:leaded only 101,0001 in the 9 years from
No two things could be more distinct than education medlar. 1838 to 1847 inclusive it expen'ol 188,0001, or 21,0001. a
attention.. Instruction meet putting sumethigg into • pew year. (Hear, hear.) He could not give the statistics
,oa ; education meet tekinosomenhing eat. All their inmates of the different dissenting b dies, but he believed
tios must be divided ins tea thee. They might give that they also would exklt4i_ greet r-sets. In 1837 the
Stielitlfi: instramion en they might gin historical instruction. National Societe had 111,Way-schools ; in 1817 it had
The neoessuy tendency of ackatifia Instruction was to 17,000. (Hear. bear.) Of Sunday schools there wen 5,230
make aeries. Tuesseses uh-pesain who 'mew anything In the first pniod ; 6,038 is the next. The number of day
ce. the sciences but 'eke kaew perfectly well that he west ach..len rewiring education a' the schools in connexion with
take melee whatever upon -1111Theoity. The lecturer oa an.. the church was, in 1837,668 000 ;in 1847, 966,000 (Hear,
lofty would tell neat hot Li triad to what, he said about now hesr.Ladelo that, by the assistance
of parliamentary grants,
eilittiadteademead arteries sad tlihrth, hat that they mast i they so stimulus,' the energies of those who had before
discover them sad be able to trace them of thiamine and I despaired of being able to mike t ~. rt qowite provision. thee
Hat tee neat take menet apes tree we . Asd so It wthere had hen an increase of 6,200 schools, and of 400,000
us ewer" wdss'ida wittiest. But in Motored mere\ the scholars. By the pretest system they were oversaw'
rule wee wholly dilannt; they must entirely trust to the 1 the increase of population ; and he would ask them
aillekg tarty. They moat act doubt whether iota whether they would sobeitithe for a system which
ea the trait of thomailsi eels them east he ..ii. to Niebuhr , lion
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Pruatriedu, cumin% telruesh rurenstithltse riskon .ofwthhier iwinhg"backu the
eel all persons of that kite towel, ineditied things the i education of the country 1 (Hear, hear) They should he
wen ewers Word By iestruction ,hay inertias d a man's i guided by the facts of the ease and not by mere declamation.
initsbility; they iscriesed nis sense of suffering. Nor did ', Tee annual expenditure is the church !wheals was
they IMMO* ha weds These was so eonselion what- ', b 74.0004 , a mum which exceededthe whole amount of the
ewe betimes isteßeetnal power asel weal eineteue But I parlismeatary grunts from the wried when the first great
is theation this thing was whale different. B.l4CSliolt i was mode, in 1833, down to 1848 Tha total amount of the
was that whisk was ►c salad on by the drawing testis of that ,1 perliamentary grants in thee 17 years was 710,0001., and it
which named and the amedmering forth of that snick ', .hould be recollected that the aid of patliagent was not
was wil. It ins • work that eiesld becarried .is only by ' confined to the ...sick. He would add the pleating fact
the pima when children wen y "tag and only by the I that is the schools connected with the Privy Council, of a
church afterwards. They must have the power of the total expenditure of 200,01001., thi re was a corthlbution of
church In order to lave the power to do that which woe 178,0001. from the thalami themselves. The church contri-
vigil, or they had so power at all. Bat thq were oey ny , buttons, tad. pendently .4 thew of 'he children, were
ably„jechicyksi the citurtivind were endeavouring to sub ' upwa-ele of half • million annually. That fact showed
Stlitta WM scheme of adverse ageructioa. It on wholly t at the church was not indifferent either to religiose
Impsmilela the object could ewer be etwomplekod by say lor secular ethic:Mem. Ile had sot yet mentioned the efforts
Meer mesas het by the chards. i which the eborob was making to provide suitable Mashers.
hr. P. WOOL) said he tell • wry deep inweet is this Lod here he must admit that is this respect there was fur
quiene, whien he appreheeded was after all the one ..rest • long time • lamentable deficiency. Tree council of the
question spas which the siiiinieassoe of our happions and Christian Knowledge &misty had this aubj. et early under
the propene, of our empire drum. 'el, and perhaps he had th it residentioa, sad contemplated the establishment of
a specie eel to Renew the home is consequent; of the ob. ninon for the transept of semen They felt the absolute
perneten that had been offered he his bon (men I opposite, • necessity for so doing, aid they also penned the nemeses
)ye Om* fur 'Twills!. of o With he described the mere inconvenieties of entrustiag • large somber of pupils to , .eWOOS 11l st bermoke, wits which he (Mr. P. Wood) lied had the saner The Beamed Society had lately evehlithed tun-
\
aheemeas...o4
orwale
Timui.. ow,* lag schools. In six years they had spent 60,0001.
seslire, and Me society 11..11 ascrate. Oh Angry. NOT is the work alrne, having cent out 153 seven ,
this peeress, for ate purpose ~1 de.trenutole sael.amen,ary and 41,9 mistresses. Sion the governme-t first
gnu's.] He wound •rideew ur es far as oven" .4 101 - *deb:Shad the plan of ter doing cer diem's to
sew the example of not being used on this mobjesd, feel- meters who bid proved themselves etelifted to she papa