The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS —MONDAY, JCLT 1.
Their lordships mat at Ave o'clock; Lord Lebo Dein eat
speaker.
COUNTY COVETS EX TENSION BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM pave norms that he should move the
aesoad readies of the Couaty Ceara Ensurer Bill on Mon-
day boat.
FACTORIES BILL.
The Hake of RICHMOND said that the Fairer/ries Bill
stood oa their lordships' orders foe • mood reading te-
✓roriser, sad he wished to repeat • scram which he bad
peevisessly given, that mottended to move the board= of
• dam which bad beesed in the House of C.MIULOUSby
Lord J. Manaus ; sad that if It wee rejoined, he should,
cm the third roadie', move that the bill be read • third time
that day six swathe.
BT. JAMES'S PARK AND THE GREEN PARK.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to irk the noble marquis
(Laradoweee) whether he would object to lay re the table
• paper which had already been permeated to the other
horse, velars" to notada ehersaionela Sr. James's and the
Green-park. He imderetrod that • row atlas had already
bees rat down is Hyde-park. Them teem—aim, in num.
bee—wire 40 years old when they were cut down, and it
task place, he wee informed, at so early an hoar that no
perm was aware of it. He was quite sure that if his noble
Mead opposite (the Earl of Culist.; had still bees at the
heed of that departmest, a glassiest • pesos would have
kit es he (Loci Brougham) did, when he heard of the de-
street/so of those trees, for he knew that his noble frigad
read Virgil as he did
reetunarui et lite. Deosol nont afresh*
l'anolue; raynantisque; senem, ?Inapt:mune mom!
It ought now to be,
Yortunatus et ble, Des claimant agnates.
(" Hear," and a laugh.) He was a petitioner on behalf of
those injered deities to the government of which his noble
friend was a seeentor, and be hoped he should succeed in re-
ferent* to the trees in St. Jambes, and on the mall in the
aeen•park, as well as with regard to the proposed build rig
in Hyde-park, with room, to which he bad given a nodes
Is, to-morrow (this maks.) Two of the four rows of trees
now condensed had bees is existecee for two centuries,
over since the restoration.
The Ilsrquis of LANSDOWNE said there could be no
colleetioa to lay eh! paper referred to by his r obis and teamed
Irked ea the table of the house. The noble marquis made
some abet °trombone, whieh were quite inaudible in the
gallery.
POLICE AND IMPROVEMENTS (SCOTLAND)
BILL.
After • diseuesion, as to the obligation of • peer to MEM
the offie• of therif, eat which led he no result,
Oa the wrier of the Earl of Morro, this bill wed
through cased :to e.
PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the modes of the Earl of CatUalm, the house then
west into committee en thb hill.
Lord STANLEY, to the first clause, lime 14, timed the
onsisloa of the words... by virtue of sae qualifieation not
requiring cecupation," as be thought these words would
dramatise it.. eaters whom it would be most desirable
to retain.
Af.er • short discus-ion, the amendmeat we. with-
drawn.
Earl St. GERMANS. in moving the amendment of whieh
be had given note-, namely, the insertion of the words
Twelve pcunis," instead of " Eight pounds," in the first
clause, said he sli ruld sp -Ingle* for presuming to pat him-
self forward oc the present occasion to propose an alteration
la • Memnon intended to refer to Ireland, seeing there were
no nanny aolde lords present whoa' knowledge of Ireland
better qualified thus t b interfere in the matter. However,
Lis interferece• was founded upon and justified by tbi
iaterest —as should he the cue with every member of their
lordships' house who happened to hen official connexion as he
had, with that mitautrv—he felt is the affairs of that country.
Be had origina.ly intended to propose that the county
franchise should depend on the vase of Pt, h .use of the
.c spier, gad not on the value of the holm and lard; be-
e %Use he thought tees, as also sow, that such a qualification
would prove highly beneficial. (Hear, hear.) It would be
productive of imnrovessent la the dwelliags of small farmers,
and world also have the effect of permuting the sublirision
•rd sulolettiag of land. (Hear, beer.) It would be. in fact.
as besefidel to the landlord as to the tenant, and be the
mesas fieal's of iodating the latter to change the mud cabin
for the comfortable farm-house. (Hear, bear.) He might
be told the Isadlerde, as also the toner to, were careless of
the pemession of the franchise. But, if such were the ease,
he could say it was only c temporary state of things. Surely
be wadi cot ba toll the Irish rroprietors and tenants were
note desirous of possessing the franchire as the English or
Scotch, or of the political eocarquences that resulted from
the powessio• or otherwise of that constitutional privilege.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he thought it his
duty, seeing the great annul= end deliberation which the
other house of parliament had Men this measure, and the
great m 1.9 of local information which was there brought to
bear upon it, to state his reason. why a high rating or valua-
tion should not be adopted. (Hear, beer.) Looking practi-
cally at the state of Ireland, he found it would have the
effect of excluding a most respectable class of voters He
(the noble marquis) thought great exurgeratioa prevailed
with respect to the numher of Si. v stirs that would be created
under the smears now introduced ; and, notwithstanding
the calm:dodos, gone into by the noble earl, he would sty
that the fair way to deal with the matter would be to com-
pare the constituency under an 81 ratinir with the Wont
of the adult population in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He
found upon calculation that an 81. banana,, compared with
the adult population woul I Rive in Ireland 15 per gent.,
whilst in England it would give 21 per ctn.. ; therefor* that
left a diminutioa of 6 percent. armies! Ireland. (Hear,
bear.) He certainly did not mean to adhere to any particu-
larly low amount of qualificatioe, his objet being that
there should be a really *ff. yawl representation of opinion,
and that such should be felt and kaown to exist. (Hear,
bear.) He believed, if they did not make op their minds to
that extant, theykad bitter • .t proceed with the bill at all.
(Hear, hear.) Nay, they might as well get rid of represen-
tation altogether. (Hear, hear ) Iseffeetual representation
that did not fairly embody the feelings and opiniecs of the
people was, is his opinion, mars mischievous this no r Tee-
matador at all. (H.a-, hoer.) It was therefore
for their lordships to consider whither or not the present
elms west too tar, and whether tt - would depnve

Lord STANLEY said that either the valuation is these
Wass sees be grossly unfair, or the land must be of very
had guilty. He muck doubted whether these occupiers
were posses who would give ethos free from the iodates' of
the 'iodised or eitheyman. He did net *est entsodiss
the esiolitosatiss ; the more istdapeolesi "Otis the beat y
bet he would not, bemuse Indeod los pesiolbsdi oat
amongst paupers, lower the fraaelise solely is Imam the
number of vans, where • higher elude mot exh• • 161.
franchise would give 190,000 vinare, or so average of 6,600
voters for each of the 32 counties in beiwad ; and no use
mild say that sea • egastitnethy was widely restricted.
He would extend the franehles as fez as it Gould be
done with safety, but not to • elms of men liable to be die-
missed from their occithetione at any moment, aid who
would be the prey of every designing agitator. (Rest.)
Looking at the nessesity exteeding the conatituthey
somewhat, and knowing there were many who thought it
might be safely extended to oecupien to the amount of 151
he was willing to waive Ida objections to reducing it to that
amount, and to vote for a constituency which would give sal
average of 6,600 to each meaty of Ireland
Lord SH RE WSBURY would extend the franchise to the
small shopkeeper and the small farmer. for he bad no doubt
that they would eased*. it in favour of protection.
W Lard HARNCLIFFE proved by stales's*. which he
quoted at length, that eves if the 81. qualification were
adopted, there would be Is 'Mead bat the elector to 22 of
the_popalstica, while in Ragland there wee one is 24, sod
la Wake sae in 23. The prethat state of thinks was Rest
dangerou, and be hoped that the change would be made
now, when ell was quiet, hatred of waiting until parlia-
ment atiebt his compelled to make larger concessions.
Lord NOUN ICABHEL supported the amendment, and
Lord DUFFER'S the lower qualification. He was con-
vinced that the class which it would admit to the franchise
was at least ecral It respectability and intelligence to the
ordinary English slaw.
Lord LONDONDERRY feared the influence which the
fir. franchise would give to the Bean Catholic prints
and the presbyterian clergy, sad enateadtel strenuously for
the higher gialifintion.
Lord CARLISLE could not forget that be bad care the
honest of reps/seating • constituency of 66,000, while the
whole meaty electors of Ireland were only 30,000. Es
quoted statistics to prove chat the 131. qualification pro-
posed 'a the amendment would very inadequately recruit
the Irish ethatituesey, but *streets(' their lordships to act
in the spirit of a nlighteaed foresight, which they had so
often di.plsyed, and take advantage of the present lull of
political excitement to place the franchise on a tespeetatle
tooting, and give Inlaid a conatituthey of which she need
act be ashamed.

Lord BROUGHAM thought that the adoption of the fl
qualification would serioualy and signally de:eri irate the
House of Commons. They were not legislatios for England,
or even for the north of Ireland only, toot elm for the south,
and he desired their lordships is observe not cute the pro-
portion to yogis's. but of pauper: to populstioa. Way one-
third of the whole people were paupers! Be bad always
been is favour a extending the f las to the great body
of our intelligent, hard-heeded artisan!, who were mach
more independent than most of those who were already
electors; but he protested against the Reform Act being
altered without better masons than had been Mown is Mae
ease.

After some explanations from Lord St. Goesinten, who
d►preate.l the virtual rejection of the bill by the adoption
of Lord Du an's amendment, and repeated his own sort-
potion of s 121 rating as a compromise,
Lord FiTZWILLIAIL remitded Lord Brougham of his
celebrated address to their lordahips on the Ilifona it'll, and
recommended them to consider whether it wee wise for them
ti intoner. in measures aff.eting the repreeentation of the
people. He supported the bill, because it would place the
franchise on a basis consistent with the ecostitu.ion of the
country by tasking it dependent on t►e payment of local
taxes. 1

The Marquis of LANSrowNE, Biter the opinions h• had
heard expreseed, cos d not doubt that an Si. franchise was
too low ; and though be had, from rtspem to the other house,
eubmittrd that proposal to their tessideurtion, he should now
tensest that ttis proposition shout' be tegatived.
Their lordships then dtri :cd, when there appearci—
For the 161. fraschise -
Against it
Os oar re-adMstton to the gallery we found
Lwd STANLEY proposing in t►e next clause to insert,
after the weeds " duly registered," the words, "on my own
amount."

Earl GREY thought the noble lord should put such en
nendineut in writing. Hs believed that it was sh.olutely
'possible to contrive soy 'machinery to carry out the noble
rd's views.

The Earl of ST. GERMANS said that seeing the nobl:
lord (Smalley) had now the bill in his own hands, he wished
to know whether he would amen! to certain amendm.nts of
which notice had been given without dividing the beam
upon them ?
Lvrd STANLEY said that he should most decidedly
object to the amendmen•e to which the noble tart had
mimed.

Oa the motion of the Marquis of LAN/DOWN., the Chair-
men then reported prayers., and their 1 irdships immediately
after, at a quarter put 11 o'clock, adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MOcDAT, Jut 1.
TM &udas' took the ebak ►t 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
WESTMINSTER TEMPORARY BRIDGE BILL
This b ll having been read a second time, en the motion
that it be eomm;.•ed,
Sir R. INOLIS said this bill was one which riquired in-
vestigation, and moved that it be referred to a select com-
mittee.
]Sr. W. PATTEN admitted that the bill was one of great
importance, but thought the reference to a select committee
would place the ern in a disadvantageous position sad
ante ineonv. Meat delay.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the
amendment. Although there was no immediate danger in
tee present bridge there could be no doubt that two of the
arches were sunparted by shores and were rapidly sicking.
In feet, aal efforts to render the bridge a safe permanent
structure bad failed.
After some ensversatisn,
The house divided,
For the amendment l3B
Against it

they ... _ ; the -
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
blll of the character of popularity it possessed amount the
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
people of Ireland, for whoa monies and benefit ft had been .
, Jaws PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL —By Sir R. H.
introduced by her Majesty. goveonment. (Hear, iscir'' INGLIS, from a place in Oxfordshire ; Sir C. BURRELL,
Ho was confident that if they raised the qualification too
plats i Slane: , Lord C. MANNERS (7), from
high, the measure would late its effect and popularity in from • . . n . •
parishes in L•icesternire ; Mr. LACY, from Holland, Corn-
eal country for whirl ift an, Intended. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of WICKLOW • sid that he preferred • 121. to .Hal • Mr. FULLER, from hiounifield and Whittington,
an 81. rating, but ha would recommend his noble friend Sussex;
'ord J. MANNERS, fres Durham ; Mr. BANK ES,
from' a place in Donetshire ; an Hum. Al tSt aaa , mem
(Earl St. German), to postpone his proposition till the
inhabitants of Asploy Gabe ; Hatboro* Crawley, B els ;
bringirg up of the report.
Lord MONTEAGLE thought it would be very inane- h Devon• Hsnwelj, Oxon • circle, church-
East Teignmout „ . ~
wardens, and other Inhabitants of Llansaulfriend, Glyn
Meat to nparase the two propositicas.
Curie, Dashigeshire ; Mr. EDWARDS, from inhabitants
Earl St. GERMANS said that he had no objection to
' •
*ethos. his proposition, and he could assure his noble friend
of King s. cross Mr. W. FATTEN, from Bacup, die. ;
.
E. did net offer it te the consideration of the house, with a Lord It. GROSVENOR, from Staines and Hampstead,
view of accepting a lower rem then 121. ageism this bell.
STAMP Doom (No. 2) BILL.—By Lord H. VANE, from
The DAL+ of LEINSTER thought that a 121. rating
eopyholders of Yorkshire, against this bill.
would be an improvement on an Si. one.
SAYINGS Banos BILL.—By Lord R. GROSVENOR,
Lord STANLEY s sid thefts old poor law valuation was
ilea* inadequate to be made a positive basis for the sujov-
from the managers of the Finsbury Savings Basks; Mr. W.
meat of the franchise, benne it was extremely different in
I FATTEN, from Cmsfan, against certain clauses of this bill.
some parts otthe country. He believed that in some visas the PREROGATIVE COURTS (IRELAND) BILL.
',Justice was as much as 2.5 per cent. too high, and in others ..up
Mr.KEOGH brought the report of the select tom
21 per cont. too low, so that any franchise which was based mitts* on this hell.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS BILL.
upon it must be nneerale, vatying and il actuating.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM said that the same objection would In answer to Sir B. HALL,
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it had been the Intention ot
apply to the franchise is England, which depended on the
different amount of note In different pieces. government to bring forward the Ecclesiastical Commissioners
After a few words from Lod S and the Marquis Bill on Thursday; but he would now take the opportunity of
Of LAMPDOWNR, acting that in consequence of the derangement in the state of
The Earl of CARLISLE said that it was much the best Public business which had been caned by the recent debate,
way to meet the matter boldly, and to admit at once *hat it would be difficult to bring it en on that day. He would
there existed in Ireland at present no satisfactory basis therefore state to the home that as the government business
had been so much interfered with by the proceedings of the
on which to rest the franchise. (Hear, hear.) Taney had
last week he would be prepared on Th a to inform
Ito deal with a chola of evils they must either continue the
them what course they would pursue with regard to the
present state of things, which' all admitted to be anomalous
and disgraceful, or they must take the best means at hand of Publ" bus'''.
remedying it. (Hear, hear) MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.
After a few words from Lord Marron La and the Earl Ia answer to Mr. CARDMILL,
of Wlconow, Lord J. RUSSELL said that he thought that on Thum
The Earl of DESART rose to Steve the amendment of day he would he able to name some day next week for taking
whisk he had given notice—the nbetitution of a 151. rating this bill into consideration.
for as 81. rating. He adopted this course with the NATIONAL EXHIBITION OF 1851.
greatest regret and anxiety. His objections to the principle Colonel SIBTHORP put the following question to the
of the bill remained unhinged. He did not think that Attorney-General; whether he can inform the house and
rating should be made the basis of the franchise at all. But the country by whose authority and directions the eine trees
the principle of the bill Levies been assented to, be proposed an of the ten previously marked to be cut down in Hyde.
131. as the lowest amount at which the rating ought to be park had been cut down, and whether this act had been con.
taken, and he should give his strenuous opposition to the 'nationally exercised in the grounds which have been for so'
Indoor progriss of the mean?, if any lower sum were takes. many years maintained out of the public purse, and by sue.
He !onk.l os the measure as the most important which had mein Tons of the House of Commons for that purpose';
come before parliament since 1832. Agreeing with the remark also, whether this power is limited, or to what extent it may
of the noble marquis opposite, that the representation should be carried, and for what special purposes, and it for what is
be an expression of the pub!ie opinion, he objected to this termed a commission to afford accommodation for foreign
bill on that very ground, believing that it would only pro- markets, sad the importatioo or warehousing of foreign
lea representation of the agitating and disturbed classes goods ?
Au U. qualifleatios would Give a much larger proportion of The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he would sc-
ooters than tented in England sad Scotland; it would give cleaner to newer the questions of the hon. end gallant
to Ireland 332,214 vetoes, or nearly double the sum• member satisfactorily. He could not answer the questions in
hot that existed in Reiland, notwithstending the the negative or the affirmative, without making a few ob-
grest disproportion of property. A 161. franchise venetian. (Hear.) The house was no doubt aware that
would give an increase of 6,000 voters, which would still rain Hyde park and the Regent's-park belonged to the crown in
the average a little above that of the Bonder of voters in fee, and that they were transferred to the care of the Com-
Wales or Scotland. miesioners of the Woods and Forests, in consideration of
The Marquis of ORSIONDE expressed his belief that the the Civil List. He would proceed on that statement to an-
-81 clause would place the franchise in the bends of a clam of ewer the question. He believed that the trees which bad
men who were aheoluttly without property. In his county beer cut down, were cut down by the authority and the
the voters were 2,000 in 11141 ; a 121. franchise would have direction of the Commissioners of the Woods and Forests.
the effect of doubling them. The house would ate at once, thee, that so long as the Com-
The Bishop of DROMORE said, it was no matter of sur- missiosen of the Woods end Forests bad that authority,
prise that a measure which conferred great political privr and kept within its limits, they acted constitutionally.
'ems should excite some alarm and nrprise is tome quarters. (Hear.) They would also recollect that their power was
He denied that the 81. franehise would be an approach to arrested by set 10 Geo. IV , which prevented them from
universal franchise, or would ernes a class of voters of granting leases of the poke for building. or other purposes.
low character. From statistics carefully 'compiled, he found They had, however, the right, daring the life of the crows,
that is five eleetoral divisions in his diocese there were to cut down ripe or mature timber, without the sanction of
51,000 registered ratepoyers, of whom 17,400 only would be the crown ; and they possessed also the right to
enfranchised by the 81. clause. (Hear, hear.) Would it be fell timber which was not mature or ripe,
contended that the remaining 31000 were unfit to exercise for the benefit of the erown, if they had the
the franchise ? (Hear, hear.) lie had not procured these saretion of the crown for so doing. He believed that the
returns for the sake of opposing the bill, but to test its real commissioners hod, in this case, acted with the sanction of
character. He was decidedly of opinion that to take away the crown, and had. therefore, a right to cut the trees down.
the hi. franchise clause from this bill would destroy ;the With remota to the power of erecting buildings, they had
strength and vales of the measure. (Hear, hear.) not the power to give a right to erect a permanent building.
Lord STANLEY very much dissented from the petition They had, however, the power to make temporary erections,
01 the right rev. prelate that all the persons ratted at 81. if such were not detrimental to the interests of the public,
were of entirely good character ; et all events they were not for whom they acted as astute gm trua. The reception
person. likely to set and vote indepaudently. The right rev, houses of the Humane Societe, for ies•ance, were erected for
prelate had not stated where the salons were situate to the benefit of the public, sad were taken no notice of. So
which he had referred. Wag as the trustees of the public were not acting impros
The Bishop of DItOMORE sold that three of the unions perly, and making a breach of their trust, they were acting
were in the county of Down, and two in another county. oollstitht14•111Y•

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 2, 1850.

Mr. J STUART wished to knew from the Attorney-
Gavial how the public were to Inviter*, if they thought
the enesaiiinioners were net doing their duty.
The ATTORNBY-OENEKAL said that it was set for
him to suggest lithe way in which the interforeses should
he made.
Mr. T. BUNCOMBE put the following ipietions to the
noble lord the First Lord of the Treasury -Wain it ie
Is-
tooded that the National Behibition, 1831, should elms;
and whether, In coinage's's of the isemasieg dissatisfaction
on the part of the public, that the prepared exhibition
should take place in Hyde-park, it would not be advisable
that the selection of Hydeiperk as the intended site should
be reconsidered by the commiesinn ; also, whether, In the:
event of the amount raison or likely to be raised by volun-
tary subscriptions proving inadequate to defray the 1
of the exhibition, it is is the contemplation
117Cirs Majesty's ministers to ark parliament, either this year
or next. for any giant of public gamey towards such ex-
penses P (Hear, hear.) As to his first question, he believed
that the matter had been reconsidered, and he had no doubt
that the noble lord would give to the house the result of the
deliberation of the 0/10111i•lifilUre. With regard to the sir
coed question, it had been partly answered the other day by
the head albs Board of Trade ( M r. Labatt h er.),who said :hat
Its had so apprehension that any of the public mosey would
be called for. The right bon. gentleman relied en the re-
lemony subscriptions and the admission money takes at the
door being sufficient to defray the expensive( the exhibition;
but he wished to kcow, in case of that being found to be
ienfileient, who was to pay. the impose ? Did the govern-
ment not contemplate applying to the public ler additional
money, in such a ease ? He was of opinion that the exhibi-
tion should be free to the public for three dojo in the week,
otherwise it would not deserve the name of a national ext.i-
bition. (Hear, hear.) At present the subseriptioas amounted
only to 60 000'1, ano the commissioners were going begging
from door to door for more. He thought that such a comes
woe derogatory to the character of the nation. (Chien.)
Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to the first question, sold
that it was anticipated that the latest period at which the
exhibition would close, although it might close ear;iar,
would be the Ist of November, 1851. It was al.
ready provided that in seven months after the
closing of the exhibition the contractors should
remove all the materials, and replies the ground in
its former condition. In aeswer to the second question, he
would state that there had bee. two meetings of the coat-
misnomers, one on Saturday and the ether on that day, to
take the subject into consideration. They had gone over all
the reasons which had originally Induced them to choose
Hyde-park as the plate for the exhibition, and which now
induced them to adhere to their original choice. It was
thought best that those reasons should be draws up is the
form of a report, and he would now move for a copy of the
report, in order that it might be placed in the hands of boo.
members. And he hope .t that then they would carefully
weigh the cocsidiratidis which induced the commissioners
to adhere to their original intee ties. Is answer to the Quid
question. as to the result of the amount subscribed being in-
adequate to defray the expenses, he would state
to th. hones that it bad never been in eon-
titillation to ask for any grant of money for
that exhibition. They had always supposed that the sub-
scriptions on the part of the public fur such a purpose as
that would be *milkiest. He ciuld not however answer
ler the result being so favourable if the arrangements of the
commissioners were interfered with.

seddealg the order lad been .bayed, sad the question wee
browsit es warn se rue= reputed it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
that sae tight which had bees given op, wu quite esouth
for the rubjeet of Irish eduestbra. As to the ether wetter,
he •senld take eats that eaplo maw should be girth et
the vete.
TRADE AND NAVIGATION.

Mr. M'OREOOR postponed his motion for returns re-
lating to tee irate and navigation of the United Kingdom
for the sorrespor.ding_mosiths of the present aid lass yeas.
CASE OF MR. SMITH O'BRIEN.
Mr. ANSTEY, in moving air an inquiry into the eirthea•
steneess under which a letter addressed by Mr. W. Smith
O'Brien to a member of this house, complaining of his
basing been placed in Willey conflueseut by the present
Lieutenant-Governor of Yea Diesien's Land, was inter-
witted and opens.: in that colony by the keel authorities,
said that this was a matter which, although not in point of
form, yet in point of aubetanee did concern the privilege
of the house, end he treated that honourable memben
would give attention to teeir own privileges. (Hese.)
The ore was this, 11r. 8. O'Brien having refused a ticket of
leave effered to him, on giving his parole that be would not
attempt to esespe, was seat to a penal settlement at Maris
Island, end he thought that in that situation he bad reason
to complain that the regulaticne of the island had been
stretched by the governcr in hie WO, for thepurpese of visit.
ing him with as extraordinary degree of severity. He had
consequen.ly addressed a lease to hint_ (Mr. Anstey) in his
public capacity, as a member of the Rouse of Commons,
complaining ot his hars'efips and soliciting his intsrvention.
He was aware that in E-gland and Ireland plenary poweis
were given to govethore of gaols in virus of which they
might open and detain letters addressed by convicts
to their friends outside, but the case was different
in Van D mete' Land. There was there no difference
between free and bond, equal powets were given in both
cases, and by a local act a particular mode was pointed out
for the transmission of, and charges on, convict letters; but
beyond that there was no difference between free and bond,
and equal penalties were awarded to the detention or opening
of letters in either case. He thought be aaw reason in this.
In this country there were ample cheeks for abuse in the
'semi** of such a privilege, but in that enormous gaol Van
I Muslin's Land, containing 40,000 prisoners, and situated
' 16,000 mile, from the seat ot government, the most stria-
' gent cheeks end reculatirnia were necessary to prevent ty•
tinny. By low, governors had been given a right in the
labour of convicts, and much abuse had been the cones
queues, the convicts being often employed on the private
property of the goveratre, much to the benefit
of the latter. At host it became absolutely necessary
that active steps of repression should be taken by Lord Stan-
ley, and the information on which these steps were founded
were mainly convict letters. He mentioned this to show
' that in the colony convicts had been in the habit of having
the most perfeat freedom of communication. New Hr. S.
O'Brien havhlg addreseed a letter to him (Mr. Anstey),
" HOUNI olCommons," under cover, athording to rule, to
the esperintendent of convicts, that letter was opened by the
deputy goyeenor, who forwarded it, stating that he had
opened it to ascertain what were the misrepresentations as
he called them ot Mr 8. O'Brien respec•i•g his (the go-
vernoer) conduct. It came to the Calonial.e,fflee, and was
thence delivered to him (Mr. Anstey.) Of that efflee
he had no complaint, his whole complaint being
against tt • colonial governor. He contended that
the letter should have been at once forwarded to
the Colonial.effice, and there Will no &mist but that
Earl Orey would have sent it to him with the seal ochre ken.
It the government had any privilage of opening lettere in
the colony, it was only upon information upon oath, that
the letter contained something dangerous, it creels do an.
There was nothing in Mr. O'Brien's letter to wnieh
the slightest objection could he taken. He com-
plained of mary of the regulations, but at the time
time acknowledged the kindness he had received frcen
many individuals in the island. He complained of the
abominable society to which he was at first
exr..sed, and acknowledged subsequent amelioration
to some estent by being removed to a cottage
where Ps was ;ensiled the use of his books.
Mr. DICKSON seconded the motion, but his observe-
tines were almost inaudible in the gallery. We understood
him to say that any miigation of Mr. O'Brien's punishment
would he thankfully received in Ireland.
Sir O. GREY said that he saw no ground for a parlia-
mentary inquiry under the statement of the honourable and
learned member. But he could assure the ho-
nourable and learned member that if he entertained the
slightest apprehension that what had been done bad taken
place 11.0111 a suspicion that he would countenance anything
wrong coming from a person in the situation of Mr. S.
O'Brien be was complet, ly mistak n. (Rear, hear ) He
could assure the hon. and learned memb,r a..d the house
that nothing had happened in Kr, O'Brith's case which was
not customary in the event of a convict reluaing a ticket of
leave. The house must recodeet that Mr. O'Brien had sem-
6.ted his life to the laws of his country, but by the free mercy
of the crown his sentence had been commuted to transperta-
%ion for

Lord J. MANNERS said that the Attorney-Ueneral had
stated that the tree. in Hyde-park could only be cut down by
the authority of the sign manual. He would now eau the
hon. and teemed gentleman whether that authority bad
b, en given in this cue, and whether if it had been given it
would have been sufficient to justify the cummissiecen in
doing so.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he know
no:hing of the (seta of the matter, but he only stated what
the uniform mode would have been. Whether the sign
manual was given before or after, it would, in his opinion,
be sufficient it, legalise it.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked the noble lord whither
there exists in the Treasury, or in any other department of
the state, a rower to wee', or to content to the erection of,
any buildings in Hyde-park, without the consent of parlia-
ment?

Lord J. RUSSELL s: i 1 that it was not in the power of
the comeniseioners to erect permanent buildings, but it was
in their poser. he imagined, to erect temporary ones.
Sir 11. tIALL said that he understood that the question
before the house way, whether certain papers relative to the
Exhibition of ISM were to b.• laid before the house explana-
tory of the views of the commies:oilers with reference to the
rite, and giving reasons why Hyde-park should be the spot.
That, however, was not the question which was before
the public. The question bikes the public was
one which was well worthy of the considera-
tion of the house, and he was now prepared to
go into the whole question, and would do so, unless he could
be given to understand by the noble lord that the matter
would be brought before them on en esrly day. (Hear,
hear.) If the noble lord would he good enougn to say that
he would give an early day for the purpose he would not do
so; but, it not, he, ae a representative, not merely of a me•
tropolitan t, but of the people of England, had the
power of calling on them to determine whether they should
pro ten. an address to her Majesty, praying that Hyde-pleb
01,0,1 not he the site.

After a few words from Mr. B. COCHRANE,
O'FLAIIERTY mewed the government that if the
opportunity should recur, and he trured it would arise
during their tenure of office, to do an act of mercy towards
Mr. Smith O'Brit 0, they would, by availing themselves of it,
secure to themselves the gralitado of all chess of the people
of Ireland. (11, ar, hear )
Mr. HUME thought the r'gbt hon. baronet had satisfac-
torily explained the conduct of the Rovernmen', and, in his
opinion, these were questions which it would be lair to leave
altogether in their bands. (Hear.) There was one point,
however, apart from the treatment a Mr. S O'Brien which
deserved some attentie n. The hon. aid learned number
for Tou,llial hod complained that certain letters ad-
dressed to him as a member of parliament had been
opened. (Hear, hear.) Now, he dirt not know
what the practice wee now, but formerly he had known
letters addressed by prisoners to members of parliament
allowed to pass unowene.f. (Cheers.) He admitted that it
would be improper to allow indiscrimina'e cc,menunic itions
from essviets to parties who were unknown to pass without
examination, but at the lime time It appeared to him that
there should be moss respect paid when the prisoner wished
to mks the commur.icatioa to a member of par:iament, for
the purpose of complainicg of improper treatment. To open
letters of that descririon was carrying the regulation too far.
The O'GORMAN MAHON considered the hon. member'
for Montrose bad hit the right nail on the head. Suppose
the cue of a prisoner writing to the Lord Cesncellor and
every member of both houses of parliament, was it to be
'opposed that the government would violate the seal. of all
these let•crs; and if not, where was the distinction to be
drawn ? (Hear, hear.) H. concurred with the honourable
member for Galway (Mr. O'Flaherty) in hoping that the
present goverment would have tie sati.faction of ad-
vising her Majesty to do an act of merry which
would augment, if that were pinsible, the devotion of
the Irish bosom towards her. A more grateful act to the
feelings of all classes in Irelaad, or one more acceptable to
the country at large, could not be performed. ((Teen) He
should support the motion of the hon. and learned member.
Mr. MONSELL must say that the gavel/swat had shown
every diapesition to meet all re4senable suggestions on behalf
of Mr. Smith O'Brien, tut he thought the colonial autho•
titles had not evinced the sante desire.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that he thought that the house
would be of opinion that it would be more to the advantage
of the public that they should not diecti,a this question before
they took the eep,rt of the commissioners into considers.
tion. Ile had no objec.ion to allowing an early day for the
consideration of the matter. Friday wee already disposed of,
and he wrii'd leave it to the house whether they should dis-
cuss it on Thursday or Moxday next.
After • few words from Mr. D. Osb,rne, Mr. Dope, and
Cot. B.l:ithorpe,
Mr. REYNOLDS said that it may be objected that, being
an Irish member of parliament, be shout t take no part in
this (Us mad, a. flower, as great inconvenience wee ex-
pected to arise from having the exhibition ,n Hyde park, he
would take the liberty of augge‘ting how the difficulty could
be overcame. For the informati on of hon. gentlemen who
had not had the advantage of visiting the city that he repre-
sented, he begged to inform them that her Majesty was
the proprietor of • park in the city of Dublin called Plemnix-
pak—(Laughtetr)—•hich was he understood the largest
and mut beautiful park in Europe. There was a portion
of it called the Fifteen eVores, be the same more or las,
which ie the times of duelling war consecrated by trials of
the valour and courage of his countrymen. (Laughter.)
That portion of it comprised about rimy acre., and in the
name of his fellow-cite:me he would beg to offer to Ilia
Royal Highntas Prince Albert, and to the noble lord, and
t..ose who were seated with him in the committee the fee
simple of the Fifteen Acres fc r the exhibition—(laughter)—
and he could assure them that the people of Dublin would
be exmedingly ob'iged to them for accepting it for that
purpose. They would not consider it • grievance
if the axe were applied to any of the trees
and would not exclaim with the hon. and gallant member
for Lincoln t' Woodman spare that tees"—(laughter)—bat
would allow them to cut down as many as they wished in
their anxiety to promote such an (abandon. (Hear, hear.)
Dublin had many advaneeses for such • purpose, inasmuch
es it wee very close to Yorkshire and Lancashire, and as
Oelway was the next parish to America. Under all these
circumstances, he would advise the royal commission to take
the a ugmtion, and to accept tt • Fifteen Acres. (Laughter.)
Mr ALCOCK recommended Battersea!park in preference
to Hyde-pork, on account of its propirquity to the railroad
and the river Tutus.

After a few words from Sir L °Tams,
Mr. HAWES thought it right to say that, from his
knowledge cf what had passed, the governor of Van Die-
men's Land had been actuated is the enure, he had pursued
to Mr. O'Brien only by a Naha of duty as will to thc crown
as ti the prisoner. If, however, his health was failing, the
subject would be brought under the attention of the gover-
nor, and Mr. O'Brien would receive all the attention
necessary. In the course the governor had pursued, he had
been actuated only by a sense of du'y, and not by any
desire to press harshly on the prisoner.
Mr. EWART believed if Mr. O'Brien was suffering
solitary confinement, that was • punishment which, under
the strict interpretation of the law, he was not liable to.
(Hear.) He hoped the government would give to the case,
that co•sid. ration to which it was entitled.

Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the house would not take the
discussion at the present time. The comusiksionin were
using every means of forwarding the decision of the matter
by convert meetings.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE mid that he had given notice of a
question, thinking it would be desirable for the c instals-
stoners to consider the subject, in consequence of the diu.itis-
faction expressed in various quartets. He might mention
that the vestry of St. George's, Hanover-square, had passed
a vote condemnatory of the site of Hyde-park, and he be-
lieved that it had been communicated to the commissioner.
It there were good reasons for adherink to the original propo-
sition he thought the noble lord's ecutse was to give
notice to the public. As to the question of eapenee he
thought that was the most important point of all, because
they might depend upon it, that it would come '
to that at list. We should see some of the commissioners
getting up with a dismal face, and saying, " We relied oa
voluntary contribution.; but we are sure the exhibition will
cooed 200,0001 or 300,0001., and we have only got 100,0001. ;
and this being a national affair, we hope you will not allow '
as to be out of pocket to this amount of money." They
I ought to come to some understanding with the govern-
meat, whether the were diaposed to advance soy money.
If they were so disposed, let them do it at once, liberally ;
let us not see these parties o about begging from door to
door. He saw that all the different corporations bad been
canvassed, and the corporation of Wiabeach had given 61.
oily. (A laugh.) If It had come to that, hie right bon.
friend at the the head cf the Board of Trade need
not rely on voluntary contributions. It would
WIN to en icemen of the poor-rates, because
somehow or other the public had an idea that where masses
wire megregated there must be polies and military. If the
whole Wog was a failure, there WU an end of it; but if it
was successful, there would be hundreds end hundreds of
thousands fli.ckieg from all parts of the world to this town.
The correspondence was then ordered to be laid ea the
table.

.....
Mr. S. CRAWFORD, while admitting that measures of
rare custody were necessary, deprecated measures of severity
beyond. In the north of Ireland, though there wee no
attempt to justify Mr. O'Brien in the course he had adopted,
there wee a universal reeling of compassion for him, and
nothing would give greater satisfaction in that, or in all
other parts of Ireland, than to hear that her Majesty had
been pleased to exercise her royal prerogative of mercy in
his favour. *Hear )
After a few words in explanation from Mr. AN/STET.
Col. DUNNE expressed his concurrence in the views of
the hon. member for Montrose with regard to the opening of
letters addressed to members of parliament, and declared
his intention of esipoortiog the motion.
Col. THOMPSON saw no reason why a different coitus
should be pursued in the case of ens convict than another,
and nave credit to the government for having been the first
practically to abolish capital punishment in cases of high
tressoa.
The house then divided.

For going into committee
For Mr. Anstoy's motion

SUPPLY.-CIVIL SERVICES.

The house having gone into committee on the vote of
126,00 W. for the purposes of public education in Great
Britain—
Mr. EWART rose to move that a statement be made on
the part of the government, on going into the education esti-
mates (es was done on going into the estimates for the army,
navy, ant ordoanoe), of the sums appropriated each year to
the purposes of education; the attribution of those sums;
the rt lathe increase of common schools lof al sorts receiving
grants from government; the number and progress of schools
of design ; and of all educational institutions (Including
public libraries, and museums or galleries of art and
science), for which money was voted by parliament. It
with the the view of extending the necessary Information
to the pablio through the medium of the preen, that he
wished the statement to be made by the minister.
Sir G. GREY admitted that the different matters to
which the attention of the house had just been called were
very important, but, is his opinion. It would be extremely
difficult for any one minister to make such a gcnersl state-
meat as the hon. gentleman suggested, and for this reason,
that the subjects comprised iu the vote were subjects
which tame under different departments of the government.
He (Sir G. Grey) was willing to make a viva vane statement
with regard to public education in Great Britain, but he
must remind the house that the fullest information as to the
appropri.tion of the grants was to be found in the reports
laid before pa:Hammy and la the " Minutes of the Com-
mittee of Council on E location." His right hon. colleague
the President of the Board ol Trade, under whose wool-
sante the schools of design came, would doubtless afford in-
formation en that subject; and so on with rei,ard to the dif-
ferent other departments. (Ilia.) TI:o estimated appro-
priation of the education vote for the present year as
Placed under thirteel heads, amounted altogether to
151,3001. Under the first head, 627 schools hail
resolved assistance out of the grant, and the number of

LORD LIEUTENANCY ABOLITION (IRELAND)

BILL.

In answer to Mr. RITKOWIr. •
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would state on Thursday
what course he would take ea regards the bill.
STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH SOUTH
AUSTRALIA.

Mr. UIVETT, in reFereOcetoth• steam communication
with the South Australian colonies, asked wheat. r there was
any otjsetion to lay btfore the house the correspondence
which had Whin place with the East India Company on
that question ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that,
as to the correspondence, be could not say anything without
communicating with the But India Company.
Mr. 11000 slid that the Ram India Company wets as
anxious as any Iris. member could be to complete the steam
navigation between Singapore and South Australia.
SUPPLY.

On the order of the day being read for going into com-
mittee of supnly, and taking clan No. 4,
Mr. GILAD3TONE pratested against the votes being
taken out o: their order. He thought the order of 'apply
teas a very serious matter, and that it should not be altered
without notice.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
they were not changing the order of votes.
After • few words from Mr. Hume, Col. Sibthorp, end
Mr. Alderman Sydney,
Mr. NEW DEGIATE stated that No. 4 vote was for Mu-
tation In Maitland, and No. 2 for education in !plena, and
the deepest inland mss molted by both these subjects, but

children la the mho& was 97,307. Under the second bead,
INT grants had be mode, amounting te 11,6001. The
somber of embeds wader this head warn 1,361; teachers, 681
apprentices, 3,381; and the amount conditionally awarded
this year leas 88,1111. Tee other (tense explained them-
selves. Grants wen mode to various societies with the view
of promotvag the general edema/as of the people ; and the
peeper
estimates Mappropeietio• for the next year were given naundertie head.
Mr. HUME ',Doubt the seepages thrown out by the
boa. member for Demetrios (Mr. Swart) a very valuable
I one. The practice in France was to give the statistics
I regarding education through the press; sad a most ex•
sellout practice It was. He wished to see a minister of edu-
cation I. this country, who should bring the subject Ily
forward. Ho had always voted in favour of grants for edu-
adios with great pleasure, because he thought the people of
this country required to De morally and politically instructed
He regretted that one general plan of education could not
he passed, because there was a lamentable amount t,f igno
ruist es pervading the country, particularly the agricultural
drict..

Mr. SLANEY thought it would be highly eatiaLetory to
be favoured with Inch * mat. meet so the one suggested
by the hoe. minable for Dankly'.
Mr. W. J. FOX complained that la the papers delivered
about a fortnight ego there wee au omission of the educe.
Nobel attainments of the criminals in the prisons. Paid
calms were given of the age and we as usual, but not of
their condition as to whether they could read or write.
Sir 0. GREY promised to ascertain the mime of the orris
don of which the hon. gsn'leman complained.
Mr. HENLEY sated whether hon. members would be
precluded from discussing the grant for Koehn. Hall upon
the bringing up of the 'ghat, if they formally assented to
it now ?

sir G. GREY said that of coarse until the vote was re-
ported an member would be concluded.
Mr. 81'00:1ER asked for an explanation of the large sum
of 17,001. tar travelling i zpenses, salaries, and swirl:al
clerks t

131 i G. GREY said that th• sum of 16,0001. Gut of 17,0001.
as espouses of staff and establishment was expended for the
travelling expenses, dm' of the insrectors of schools.
Mr. HATTER said that the vote was slightly increased
by merlon of the addition of several temporary clerks.
The vote was then agreed to, LS was ales a vote of 125,0001.
to defray the expenses of commissioners°, national educltion
In Ireland.

On the vote of 14,7551.0 defraythe expenses of the schools
of design and normal schools,
Mr. EWART asked for some information on the increase.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the increase of 5,0001
over lute year was owing to the :pease from the outfit feted.
After a short conversation, in which Mr. Muse, and Mr.
Ewaset• tack part, the vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 2.0001. to pay the salaries of certain pro-
fessors in the Universities of Offload and Cambridge,
Mr.EWART complained of the deficient information con-
veyed by the universities on the subject of diplomacy.
Foreign countries had long the adnntafee over us in regard
to it, and he now gave notice that on a future rocas', n he
would move that an examination be required for diploma-
tists, as an the cue of the army, the matinee, and the e x else,
and that a professor of diplomacy be appointed.
Mr. lIUME concurred in thioking en examination desira-
ble, but whet be considered of still more utility was tnat
attaches to foreign embassies ought to undetstand and speak
the language of the countries to which they were tint.
Mr. W. J. FOX thought it would be well to consider
whether the lectures to which this vote applied were open to
the public or confined to the wealthy classes in the commu-
nity.
Air. C. LEWIS said that when his hon. friend the mem-
ber for Dumfries spoke of foreign countries having diplomatic
profess rs he supposed he eluded to Germany; where he
belie v d there were some lectures on the science of diplo-
matic', which flgnifird dijlomss, or ancient deeds and anti-
ien lore. (Lsugbter ) Ile presumed that the seience of
ointornert in this country came under the science of the
" law of nations." (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GLADSTONE complained of the continued levying
of taxes on de;lree►—a tax which was totally inconsistent
with the present feeling in the house with regard to e
luca-
lion. The heads of coll►ges would, he believed, be willing
to find a substitute. With regard to the proposal of the
hon. member for Dumfries, he admitted that the study of
dieloroacy would in the case of a class of students be •ery
beneficial ; and he hoped the recent arrangements b,th at
Oxford and Cambridge would aft-rd facilities for that branch
of study. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LENNARD said that the study of the law of nations
and the study of modern history now formed a useful branch
of study at Cambridge; and be believed the benefits of both
tbcse atu lies were likely to be extended.
Mr. V. SMITH agreed with the right hon. member (Mr.
Gladstone), that it was desirable that the tax en decrees
should be

Mr. EWART hoped the noble lord (1.-ird Palmerton)
would give him an esturance that the subject which ha had
introduced should receive his attention.

Viscount PALNIERSTON tr'd be should no doubt be
able to make arrangement" for examining tho,e who were
about to enter on their hint

Mr. ANS CEY slid that nearly all who received diplo-
matic appointments from the Foreign office were ignorant of
the nature of diplomacy. Then was no person engaged in
Russian diplomacy who was not fit to ta, dergs an exa-
mination.

2,8981. Bs. 9d. wee oral Tied to dehay the f
' Retie observatories at Toronto, the Cape of Goorr Hoornili Van Diemen's Land; also for obseations and set,- ; ear.
eying on under the direction of the Astronomer Royal, and
other scientific works and publications.
Mr.
annual reHLIME eskid whether the persons employed mod,
ports?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that
the officers of artillery, of a scientific turn, were will to
undertake these observations, they were reduced frau their
report.
The vote was agreed to.
10,0001. wes proposed towards defraying the expreee
of
erecting on the Earthen Mound, in the city of Ediobor4h,
Ineildisgs for a national ry and other purpoirs con-
nected therewith, sod with the promotion has ire in in
Scotland.
In reply to Mr. Mass,
Mr. G. CRAIG said the plan had met with the universal
approval of the artists.
Me. BRIGHT said that he had been is Eii.,hesab
on several cm:miens, and he doubted, from the ale. mance
of the city, whether it was at all necessary that the pyryhs
funds should be voted for this purpose. ilsnehestrr, Leeds,
and Birmingham, might make tar greater clams tut a vote
of this nature.
Mr. V. SMITH considered that the vote hid been pro-
duced in a very loose manner.
Mr. HUME understood this to be a buiPing f,r a nu
tional gallery for the public sahitmtion of work. In the fine
arts, and also a school for the fine arts, which wh. now ins.
dequately provided fur. lle had not sren tr. plane. but he
understood they were not more than were autlicitnt for the
metropolis. There was ri rising ..cho-,1 of t:,.. foe art,
is
Edinburgh, and the artiste had shown Cosa:thimble talent.
Mr. B. OSBOitNE th•naiht at lei.st that they 'Aloe
,to have the vats postponed until they had the con,.
'pendency, and therefore he moved that the rota be
postponed.
Sir G. CRAIG said that tho rehool in S:otland had pr).
duced Wilkie and other rrtiste. Tae erhu:e ezitase wou:d
be 40,0001.

Colonel SIBTHORP mites d his lean lest, as the result
of what was about to be done, some persons at the un ♦ersi-
tits should become too vise. Education might be carried to
such an 'crane mto be detrimental.

Mr: STANFORD denied thaith.. university education of
this country wu detective. The universities sent out men
who were fi ted for public life, and men who excelled in all
the leading professions. If the government would have an
eye to the talent annually exhibited at the universitie., they
would gird the gr, atest procticablc encouragement to uni-
versity education.
After a few words from Mr. HOPE, the vote wu d to.
3,9671. was voted to defray the expenses of the University
of London.

On 7,4501. being prorsed for grants to the S:ottish uni-
versities,
Mr. ENVAIZT eemplainel that the inhabitants of the
towns where the univasitics ez:sted were denied access to
the libraries.

Mr. lIUME thought that where the public contributed
money to the formation of libraries, the inhabitants of the
towns in whith they were kept should share the benefit.
Mr. P. MAULE said the best attention of the government
had been directed to the arc,mmodetion of the public in all
there matters ; but if they were to interfere with the Univer-
sity libraries, they would cease to serve their proper purpose.
the vote wrs then agreed to.
Three hundred pouuds were toted for the Royal Irbil
Academy. _ . _

6100/. was voted for the Royal Dublin Society.
43001. was voted for the payment of the salaries of the
tneological professors of the Queen's College of Belfast.
, a vote of 39,.5'191. for the new buildings and tidings of
the Bri,ish Museum being proposed,
Mr. WYLD wished to know whether it was the inten-
tion to apply any part of this money to the getting room for
the reception of mod, to works, for which there was no room
at present.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
that was tot the proper time to put that Tuition. This wit
the usual annual rote.
Mr. PARKER sail that there were alterations about to
take place in the registration of books, which world soon be
brought into operation. He must alto add that, under the
present arrangements there was no better or more accommo-
dating reading room in Europe.
Sir R. H. INOLIS concurred in the opinion that there
shcull be more accommodation, though he thought that
there existed more in the library of the Museum than in any
reading rinm e!Pewhere.

Mr:HUME having expressed an opinion that there was
net sufficient accommodation, wished to know whether any
determination was come to of publishing an appendix to the
report of th., commissioners.
Lord SEYMOUR said that 100 copies had been published,
and that that number had been considered sufficient.
In cones woes of an observation by Sir H. VIRNIT,
Sir R. INGLIS said that the rules which were now in
operation were not to be considered as Mr. Pantrat's, but as
more of the whole of the trustees, who should be looked
upon as responsible.
Mr. PARKER said that any man who was acquainted
with books, or with Mr. Panirzi, must know that he was •
min who did his duty better than any other man could
perform it.
Sir H. VERNEY wished to find whether it was the
opinion of the house that there should be • finding catalogue
or not._ _

Mr. EWART thought that some accommodation should
be afttried in the evening to that portion of the public who
could not read in the day time.
The vote was agreed to.
Oa the vote that a sum of 3,0501 be stran'ed to her Ma
jesty to en►ble the trustees of the British Museum to defray
expenses incurred in pro:uring antiquities for the museum,
Mr. IIUME hoped that government would make no pur-
chases until all the other purchases were properly arranged.
He did not object to Layard's collecti.m, but various e.llec-
tions were not yet clamed and properly arranged.
Sir R. H INGLIS said th►t the government of France
had prepared en expedition the moment the discoveties had
been made in Mesopotamis. We had suff. red the great dis-
coveries of Layard to remain on the strand at Bussorah till
they sunk in the mud, and after all they were to he removed
by freighting a small merchantman. The 'sample of France
might ;usefully be adopted by the government.
The vote was agreed to.
1,5001. beicg proposed for the expenses cf the National
Oallery,
Mr. SLANEY suggested that the gallery should be open
one day in teen week on payment of 6i., in order that per-
sons who objected to the conduct of the commonalty might
have the exclusive use of the gallery to themselves.
The vote was agreed to.
Oa the sum of 19,0001. king proposed to defray the ex-
peaces ot the Geologic,' Survey of Great Britain and Ire-
land, the Museum of Practical Geology, and the Museum
of Irish Indurry, Dublin,
Mr. EWART asked when the new Museum of Practical
Otology in Jernsvn-street was to be on•ned ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Before
the end of the tsent financial year.
Mr. HUME asked en what terms it would be opened?
Lord SEYMOUR said that it would only be opened on
certain days ,ts the public.
Mr. BRIGHT asked what was the meaning of 6,0001. if)
the vote, tor he found that last year, in the estimates, there
wane timed a sum for fUtlng up the LOW building? He
could not un•lerstand how 12,0001. could be expended in this
warming and ventilating of the new building, as described
in the vote. _ _ .

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The eIIANCELLOR of the Excuiquaa's reply did Dot
reach the gallery.
The Tote Wu rgreed to.

Mi. Bli!OHT did not think the explanation wee at all
satisfactory, because 23.0001. way to lie given out of the
public funds.
The CHANCELLOR of the EX :Halt:Eß thought it
fair that some distinction -hould be made w favour of Lan.
don, Edinburgh. sad Duhlin, in preference to weer towns
Colonel SISTHORP thought that in dealing with the;
public money they should he just before being generous.
Mr. COWAN roceidered that the Scotch arial. nee, io
every way, worthy of consideration and patrtmage aan ha
therefore hoped the vote would be mud.
Mr. B. OSBORNE should protest against the vote ur.:ets
the plan and correspondence were I 'id, on the ta',.e,
wise he should divide the house. (Hear, hear.)
Sir 0. CRAIG never met a vote more ma-curate in
detail, and he therefore hot ed it would be postoon.d.
After a few words from Mr. V. Smolt, who .ho sug-
gested postponement,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ennoveg
to withdraw the vote. The next vote, 4,00/ defrey "be
expenses of the ci'il estahlishment of the Bermudas, was
then passed without opposition.
COLONIAL CLERGYMEN.
Mr. BRIGHT misfit d to know when her Majesty's mink-
tens would be prepared to give the home an eteount of the
cireurontsnees under which they were caked pal to r.,te
sums of money for ecclesieries in North Am- faca and the
colonies? They were eppoitted under act of
parliament, some of which were ab:ut to sere; and he,
therefore, thought before the house prot.,edeoi p►any
further votes they a .ould I o informed on matter. IR
his opinion it was too bad that they altou'A Le octet' upon to
vote 40,0001. or 50,0001. 'seri year for too terry of the
colonies. (Hear, bear.)
Lord J. ItUsSELL was understozd to state in reply that,
as he bad previously intimated, he would state ;he course of
public business on lhunday