The Express.
London, England, 1850-02-21 00:00:00

MPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY, P. 10.
The Semis* took the char at 12 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
rOWI, OPTICS —PetiliONl WIN preseated by Mr. EVANS,
from Desby ; BAILLIE, from Javanese: Sir T. D.
ACLAND. from Devonshire; Mr. G. BERKELEY,
from Dorsky; Mr. G. DODD, from tons;Mai Mr.
FARMER, iron Durban;
111 Mr. DRAM, fast biu,
Preying for the *ballast of Beaky WNW bi the Post-
*See.

RATING or SMALL TWiiisem..zry Mr. MULLINGS,
from o
xCiIIOIGUI, aphid the rain do& teammate.
Taxes KNOWLIDON —By Mr. K. GIBSON, from
Masebeeter ; Cul. THOMPSON, from Bradford, fa favour
of repeal of lima on Mortar,

THE DEER IN THE ROYAL FORESTS.
Mr. G. BERKELEY asked whether government had
given any orders respecting the destruction of deer in the
New and Peon Forests.
Mr. 'LAY IRE said that the government had no control
over the New Forest. His Royal Highness the Duke of
Cambridge, u ranger, was the only pawn empowered to
interfere. With regard to the Forest of Doan, they we were in
a different position. The Commissionaire of W and
Forests had lull authority, sad bad ordered the destruction
of the deer, to prevent the 11111111.01111 acts of theft and mis-
chief which arose fa eoaeegnsz.os of the foyer. containing
valuable mines, to which tin isbourenarcpeieed generally at
night.
EMIGRATION.—THE BARQUE INDIAN.
DIVETT, seeing the Under Secretary for the Cob.
sit In hi plot, wished to know whether government had
reavirod say authentic details rorposting the disgraceful
inanitione said to have conned on board the barque In-
dian, an emigration ship booed to Now So* Waithe ts, and
which Lad obtained general circulation through public
papers ; and if they had, he wishril further to know whether
the Itnigvation Commissioners intended to put forth their
full legal powers for the punishment of the owners of the
skip, as well as the guilty parties' He was the more anxious
on the object because vast owszben of intending emigrants
had Income so alarmed by the ace Aunts as seriously to think
of abandoning their intentions.
Mr. HAWES mid that no authentic details of the trans-
action/ had as yet been received, but he must say that, if
proved, they woad deserve the severest penalties the con-
miesioners cold loose,
BANKRUPT AND INSOLVENT MEMBERS BILL.
On the motion for the soma rending of this bill, some
onvenstio• having token place,
Sir 0. GREY apprehended that the measure, to the
pool principle or which he was, nevertheless, favourable,
would involve a liability of injustice and oppression towards
members of the house.
Mr. GooLanaw and Mr. Narita having spoken in
opposition to the hill, the Louse divided :
For the second reading
Adwisat
Tin bid was soasequently Ist.
SMALL TENEMENTS RATING BILL.
Mr. HALSEY mood the second reading of this bill. The
object was to charge the rates for such tenements on the
owner issued of the occupier, which he contended would be
advantageous to both partit.. It was an error to support
that rents would be increased by this change; on the con-
trary, the ',ignitor of such cotter property as the rates in
which were, seder local acts, charged on the landlord, proved
that no introse in the rest resulted, while the charterer of
such dwellings was much improved.
Mr. P. SCROPE opposed the bill, and said that if adopted
It would have *prejudicial alert on the supply of house at.
commodation for the poorer clouts of the pople. The
report of the commi.sioners who were appointed to in-
guar upon this :most important subject, showed that
throughout the counties generally there was already a great
deficiency of cottage ace ommodation in the rural districts,
and that there had been no increase in that respect propor-
tionate to the increase of the population. He hoped the
conskieration of the bill would be p otponed until the boos
bad first disposed of the laws of settlement and removal.
The question wits no fillet one. It affected a large class of
the most deserving of the population—namely, ell those who
had en' yet been driven into the ranks of pauperism.
(Hear, hear) The hour., perhaps, had little adequate con-
ception of that numerous portion of the people who
would he found under the bill now proposed, to los the occu-
pants of rated cottages, and who were at present muted
from the payment of rates. The hon. gentleman concluded
by moving u an amendment that the bill be read a second
time that day 'ix months.
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)Sr BAINES assured the house that be should be mom
happy lithe present bill should successfully meet the diffi-
culties of the question. (Hear, hear) He feared, bowerei,
that the owner, in a great many eases, by letting cottages en
the supposition of the parties occupying them that than
would be no auction of rates, would contrive on the faith
of that representation to set a higher rent than he could
otherwise obtain, that he was the only party who would
thereby benefit, that the poor man would not be a gainer, and
that in fact the public would be losers. His own opinion
was, that the present bill did not go far enough, because,
though it was a step in the right direction, it was permit.
sire. (Rom, hear.) It certainly would do a certain amount
of good, and he wrs willing to give his wont to its being
read a mood time.
Sir J. PARINGTON hoped that this subject, which had
been before the house year after year, would be satisfactorily
disposed of in the present session. He believed the poor
wruld be gainers toe rely greet extent if the bill now pro-
reed wen passed into law, and fir that reason he would
TOO is favour of the mooed reading.
Sir G. It. PECRELL supported the bill.
Mr. ROBERT PALMER was not satisfied that the
measure was a right one. He feared it might
have the Out of checking cottage building in the
country, Instant's, comfortable accommodation and raising
nate.
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Mr. ADAIR thought the proposition that the rating
should set he en a pester amount than the rent actually
remind a wry fair one.
Mr. DEEDES said his experience had shown him that
those who made applications to be relieved from the payment
of poor rate were generally man who had miwonducted
themmilvet, and did not attend to theta work, and that when
the allowance same before the petty sessions to be confirmed,
it turned out that such men were paying exorbitant rent for
their cottagnwhich increased the difficulty of paying the rates.
He thought such property ought not to be exempt from
paying its fair proportion of the rates. If he thought the
bill would increase the charge on the poor man he would
not selvocate it, bat believing that it was a bill in the right
direction, and that the amendments which had been sug.
Rated would receive the attention of the hon. member for
Hertfordshire, be should support it.
Mr. SLANEY firmly believed that instead of this bill
being injurious to the working cleans, it would, by the
alterations which would be made in committee, be made
to work beneficially.
Mr. PIGOTT thought the bill was much called for in
large towns, and he had much satisfaction in supporting It.
Mr. AGLIONBY said all the arguments he had heard in
the house had been in favour of the second readies of the
bill. He believed the feeling of the country was in favour
of it, aid upon that ground he should support the second
nailing. He rose for the purpose of calling the attention of
the mover and seconder of the hill to the effect it would
have on the vu's of the occupiers. Those who supported
the bill as being bent ficisl to the poor could
tot continue that support mei, as the occupiers' right to vote
was made perfectly clear. He always had the fullest confi-
dence in the judament of the hon. member for Hall, end if
that matter were not clear he trusted the hon. gentleman
would take care and make it clear.
Mr. BAINES said his attention had been called to this
jpeint, and he wad an extract from the Municipal Retorm
Let, which it is provided that every person occupying a
hove, shop, or other premises, whether the owner shell he
retail In respect of it r r not, may claim to be rated, and the
overseer shall be required to put the name tel inch occupier
L the rate-buos. When the bill went into committee ha
was safe the hon. member fur liertfurdshin would be most
anxious, ea he was, that that matter should be made ekes,
and that a clean to that effect should be introduced.
Mr. REYNOLDS said the hon. geodesist bad referred
to a clines in the Municipal het, which he said would save
the franchise. The words in the Irish Mann* het were
ao exact copy of those quoted, but the Irish courts had die
cid. 1 that that elan* was of no value. It gave t t the
r, o, tendering the whole amount of the rate, the right to
b.. rated, notwithstanding that the guardian might not
wish it. Now, that was precisely his ewe. Under the ad-
vie- of eminent counsel, be served upon the guardiees of the
yew a notice to be rated for a onatiag-hiresse ; he offered
th, wools amount of the test made rate, sod woe told there
wee n .thin due. He calmed the notice to be made a matter
of reeled in the hooka of the South Dublin anion. His vote
as a burgess woe innened, end the learned yentlsmaa who
repremated the uainnity et Dahlia woad that it was tee
swine at all, bismuth a he did not inert in the body of
the swiss the value he set epos hie ewe wanting-house.
BRIGHT seit he had received a letter from one of
his cosetkoents, not in reisnace to this bell, but referring to
the ratepaying dawn. He sell the effect of landlords not
pelisse the poor rate heron a gives time sight be to die
franchise thee portion of his tenants whose rates he had not
paid. Now, he tbou4bt the howe would agree unanimously
that ao frenchias amikt to be placed wi such a tags for, if
the tenant paid his rent, the rent, in that ease, would la-
elude the rate; and, if be fulfilled the law, if he
were called we I. sane all its offices, and perinea
all the duties of eillsesehir, there roads he no
Janke is diefeasehising him %mane kis landlord, from
poverty, ee neglect, wr malevolence had not paid the rates.
Mt G. GREY said he had no hesitation in declaring that
he 'Meld be exceedingly sony ff this hill should have the
effect of dkitranekielag say person. The right hon. gentle-
man the President el the Poor Lew Board said just now
that when the bill west into areamittee, if they were not
mtedied, he would take care that there was such a clause
intr..elue.el. If the hon. gentleman would not fix the com-
mittee for an early day, there were several points on which
h. ntight commentate with his hon. friend, with a view of
rendering the bill more perfect.
Mr. HUXLEY, as be understood the bill, thought it was
mainly to save the hoses feeminbeesarin applied to hy parishes
lOW were distress a batis, • ens to effect the objects
which dile hill Maid ant. e was is favour of the bill,
but if it were to be a neoplasm measure to one would op'
pew it men than he should. •
Mr. HALSEY saki if he *eight the bill eeOuld have the
offset of say one, he would have been the WI
pones Iledtre =and it, li the bill went iztfif lOW