The Express.
London, England, 1850-07-06 00:00:00

=mates, duty free. (Opp:Plies cheers.) The
as, directly or tatirectly, contributed by the land
et ilaliedeettoes; sad the third was wholly raised from the
dna and la adjuncts. (Pretecticnist cheers.) He asked
the house meld that system go on much longer ? (Hear. )
He asked the house could it be mush longer endured?
(Cheers.) He asked them whether they thought it would
be long en the power of thou who contributed seek great
✓um so to contribute, and whether the new system lately
Inaugurated, and which ineremeci the lnerthens while it
diminished the means of meeting them, could much longer
be submitted to? (Proteotioaist sheer. ) Ile maintained
that such a state of affairs could no longer be endured and
he said it with reference to the great depression and tuffer:ng
of the agricultural classes. (Hear, hear ) This brought him
to the point that the home must speedily decide upon tie
mode fa whisk the revenue of the ecnintzy was for
the future principally to be raised. Whatever the
elate of the revenue was, the Ctar.eellor of the
Exchequer was responsible for it—(hear, hear)—and be
would impress on the house the dangerous fallacy of
making the revenue the infallible and only index
national prosperity. He did not think the public creditor
was very secure if his only secutity depended on a reduction
of ue to the amount of 4,000,0001. or 6,009,009.1.
(Hear.) On every ground of policy he thought this motion
deserving of support. It was said that this was not a party
question. A truer statement was never mode, and no gen-
tleman could vote on this wagon without being pre.
pared to vindicate the course he tenth. (Hear.) It they did
rustics to the landed interest of the United Merlons, then
the landed interest might take into consideration
ghat degree of sacrifice it would make for the
public good. (Hear, hear.) But when they put
rued a coons which, according to their own confestton,
was a grievous injury to that great lob rest, and, as was ad-
mitted, cloud greatsurpriae—when that great interest with
which the welfare of millions wee connected was in a state
of treat suffering, and when the government was adminb-
t. red by persons who confettee.l that they wadi
offer and could offer no relief to a calamity, the
extent of which could not be exaggerated, then
they forced on the oppoeitioa m'asnree of relief which, if
the g eat 'bowel a different disposition, they might
not otherwise take into contideration. (Lieu, hear.) The
condition of the agricultural class at the present time was
nnexempled in the histoty of this country. In former
period+ there was great distress, both agricultural and
manufacturing, but never before had distress of such meg.
nieude so long em.tinued—a erstreas which the ministers
dep:ored, and admitted chile inability to relieve. (Hear,
he-r.) Could the government he surprlsed, that whilst
two members of their own par:y brought for-
ward motions segue stieg relief within the lee:
six weeks, the opposition which ebs connected with
that I.3fferieg interest shout i support these propositions!? I:
was now six months since the tut of distress had been se
knowledgeet in the speech from the throne. That diserers,
treat as it was then, read been aggravated within that petit.
and what had the minister done to relieve it? (Hear,
hear.) He wooled to know from the government
what they would be eutheri'ed to say to their
e-netry constituencies. He warted to knew whether
he was to tell them that hr: Id.j+sty'a government con-
sidered cheepneee to be a cane—(hear, hear)—because if he
was enabled to tell them t hat r 31,jest3'A goy. rnment, eon-
eiatently with the principles on which ft was founded,
acknowledged that eheapriers wee the only object which a
government of this country ought to attempt to realise. and
that it the price of corn wee only 201. a quarter, or 2.. od. a
bush..l, they could only r:cogr ise in that tact an additional
evidence of national prosperity, their couseltuencie. would
then be i.ble to comprehend te: et position, and their chae.ees
of relief from the government which existed. (11' ar, bear
Bat if he and his frierods toned themselves in this awkward
position—that they seer • authorised to tell their conuituents
that the government deplored their position, hat that they
expected a return of higher and more remunerating price,
under which circumstanees they would be enabled to bear
almost the whole lecal tax Won of the country, the greater
portion of the inland taxation, and would be able to endure,
as they had endured, the unrestricted cempetleton of ankles
of foreign agri..ultural produce—if be should tell them that
dune were the opinion. of the government, but that the so.
tenement bed not taken any !tip' to realise such result., then
he could under m 3 them to sty that such a government
sympathising with their sufferings, bat doicg nothing to nil.
torus them, would meet with their indignant opposition.
tar.) But it, on the cemetery, he was enabl-d to
tell them that it was free trade government that was in
power—a government which considered a Weraing that which
they &played as en evil—that the goverement considered
As lend and eta adjuncts should continue to bear the 100 el
taxation, the treater pertiete of the inland tceetion, art
be subject to the unrestricted competition of foreign apical-
taut produce, ani that they weld toke no stones to
remedy the sufferings of the agriculturists by imdeavourirg
to raise the prise of home-grown agricultural reroute, be-
mines they considered lowness 01 price to bs a sign and
sauces tf prosperity, then ne could undentond them to lay,
Do you, who're ix OppOli ism t) a free trail: government,
who act upon distiaet principles and aim at di-tinct result-,
adopt such me .r.s es mu offer to deprive such a goy. rn-
stunt of their power ? (Hear, hear.) Such if they b.
men of honour and have mini um in thee:. opinion',
must think it a benefit to agetrovrite one guff rings.

The ea u:es of such men would b Ito aggravate thcir ufl r.
bugs, cnd not prevent their recuertac,. They must dc so
conscientiously, in carrying out their p..licy cud their am-
-12,"1er }bait Meeu ...stances tney "aw hems* them
(Ally the eArecr of dearer, unless the government should
he &spliced, of they were by ns 11V-1111 moguice.
And were they to t.-I: rr.ca in much a positim, !lit: :hr
in'ereetx of evry cf tt.e c;r-

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sielered before the ire? and th a troey, rei•resentetive
were not to oeesume to brine Leonel questione
parliament whinh er.gaaed their attersinn ? I Hear.) 1 ;an kerns
Was it rot their duty? were they not tape., d by ( lie too reel. ) Tattrino toe
dire nece.siLy to rake every p •.esible m. one to premot :a el. w E . • .
coecifterati, aof the h :use vol the country. the Lugo re• o
of that gr ..t class with which they (:he jootectienbto weer
immeii.tely connected, and to moll don-solve •of any nt en. I wee
-high promised even the chance of a remedy ? (Clue es.) •• e
Ile wns convinced if the ru•oion of the hon. ea ether for the
Serail were setcceeeful that the effect would be 1,,
bring the boom to ies untea. (:lear, bear). If the mama
were carried it would no longer be possible fur al•
ministration; to root who were lerapire- ell the
advantages of a joeliey to wl.ich by their owe z....En; 4-
none In that house they did not cc rocientl meiy
adeere ; that it would tot be poet' le coy Luger the a neo.
nistry sbouid exist which o elite! not only Renounce toe: it
Was their object not cnly to perpetuate the eresent "tete of
the aerie:atoned body, Out te increase the sufferings of that
body, braises, they Pt e jllll,el In that "offering a great UR-
clonal bee:tilt. (Hear.) Int success of this :action would I
compel the government to • _kin wle dos their ouroose, and
strip from noon that conranlant veil wtieh had PO long
clouded their inteutims. Ida therefore supported the me-
hoe, whine, PO for as tegument wee concerned, could
nit be root by the other side • for, admit-
ting the pc inciphs which they hail adopted to
be correct t`le w s their oatmeal c, (Cheer..)
those emits:et men who lad given titter opinsona or. the
repeal of the c'ern laws lad admitted that tits corn laws and
the melt tax were indissolubly united. He °col I quo!? the
meet eminent authority to that effect on both aides of the
house. Wed, they had repealed to. corn law.; they bed
believed on the aericulturists the it tax, which years
ego they were toll weevil be the consequecce of re peelieo
ere malt toe before the cern lows wire repealed. They had
repealed the corn lave, the loco= 1 tax had been imposed,
but the malt tax remained. The consequence of this sae that
the agricultural Interest was in a state of unreemlected
depression, and depression without hape--(hear, hear)—
and he contended that it was worse than injustice that they
should mill continue an impost the abolition of which under
other circumstance', and at another time, they had dmithol
would be the inevitable consequences of those changes and
those inflictions which that interest now experienced and
endured. (Cheers.)
Lord J. ILUSSELL was glad to hear the hon. gentleman
in one out of his speech declare that this wee not a party
question, and that it was not as a party man that he was
addressing the house ; though from the cheers which
followed ammo of the hon. gentleman's sentences,
ee should scarcely here expzeted uses statement. (Hear.)
But he derived great consolation because he thought some
of the hon. gentlemah's statements, if acted upon, would be
extremely dangerous to the future fortunes co this country. '
The hen. gentleman, placing the land, as it were, apart
from all the other it/tercets of the country—(" oh," and
sheen)—declared that, if the land were properly and justly
considered, that then the landed interest might see what
merles it might think tit to make her the public good.
(Hear.) Now, that was a vague aad ambiguous declaration.
'Supposing that the hon. gentleman succeeded in carrainet
the repeal of the malt tax, which involved about 5,!-(19.0110/.
of revenue, and that the member far Warwick.
• shire also carried his proposition fcr repealing
the other excise duties amounting to something like
• 12,000,00f1. more, sod the natiouel faith was endangered,
and the public credit shaker. to its hese, what consolation bad
they 2 A d they hear the hon. gentleman say that they
would replace those taxes by others, or put the public faith
1 on a sure fouudition 2 Not a ward of that. No, but that
I the land wool,' then declare which seerifi3 it would be pre-
- pixel to make foe the public goad. What if it thought that
• the public faith should not he kept? (Hear, hear.)
s if they were to takt the view of the honourable
gentleman fu regard to the maintenance of the public
f lith. he coufessed he should see with much
apprehension that declaration of the bon. Rewire:lan's. es
that of the leader of a poet party especially, had he not corn
other words from a noble lord, the confessed head of that
party, that gave him come consoletiou. But ford Stanley
had thought fit that his "oath:need.' and thoeu of the party
of which he was the head, should not be misunderstemel on
Heim point, though they might well have been misunderstood
from whet heel passed in that house. (Hear.) Lord Stanley
said, "While some may vote hr the repeal of the malt tax,
others with (goal disco it y might refuse to assent to a propoti-
lion they tit. ught doubtful in its results; while by reusing a
large deficiency in the revenue it would erabarre es the crlmiain
tration, and impede the adoption of measures calculated to
be of real benefit to tho agricul urist " ; mot Lord Stanley
added, " that if he were a member of the Ileum of Com-
mons he : hould be inclined to ceireide wieh the latter
view, and not vote for the reduction of 4,1100,001 or 5,00:114(0
of taxation without secertaiaing, in the first pleura, how the
di tieleuey might he mode good." (Hear, hear.) That
wee the declaration of tho leader of the party opposite, sad
it was estietkotory to Lim (Lord J. Russell) to hid that they
did not coincide with those which had been expressed by
the hon. gentleman. (Hear, hear.) It was ell vim. well to
bay that it was the business of the Chancellor of the
chequer to find the means of making good any defalcation
tit t nerght rotor in the revenue._ 'That alit be a matter of
lions didieUlty to the Chancellor of the :chequer. But
eh so was another party to be coosOlered in this question—
(hear, heer)—for when the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
sfunrrratitseunctucel tlbteyehatlieculrteypeanadl boa,d. fwortheisceltahestadleisictosaution w
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placed, but the difficulty of the country itself in regardi. u,"":
means by which it wan proposed to supply the dotal.% • e-n,"
he asked the house not to vete that defaced...l:647;
first clearly ascertaining that there were taxa lure to the country, and lees burdensome to the enje: it:;
tax which might bo suletiteted le its stead. (\-1,7,7
' hear ) 11. did tot with, at that to haute to enter lit, 11'.
whole qaerion of the malt tax, in reaps@ to which th -bee--"e
memlyr for the Ntrth Reding had 'islet so aeon Dt
lore; ben there was one thing he had remark.i
to that tax, that as at present chareed, ',eking the
into account as it formerly existed, it %QS now ihrie.f"l rth.—
of a century since it had beet so little e hotiitnee-7,,
was now. It was about the year 1774 ;het a met
authority on such subjects, Adam Smith, said it y
tax of 2,3 e. or Ws. a quarter on male instead of a tax
ca x is
and on boor, you would collect it mote easily, a:A it core;
vines* had since Len pursued. The right !yeas. DAM
tnEhoftet shb .ne
qi 'tat to uYdo
repealed°:Cambridge,nt the n tt
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in 1770 had been foUoerod, and they wire bearing ten
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with respect to malt which for three•queren of a .teettie
had beet. paid by melt and beer. But passing fern This
mediate question of t
enet tax, he ctit.4 not tv...!..•'
some notice of the gop we ith tee
tlem en opposite had laid down Now, one of his re
WIN that the distress suffered by the nericulturai ire , t 1
the present year woe an event totalljuneepeiteil ' •
who eat on the ministerial beaches, and tket it ve , ,
In them to find that such distre.s eisted. ll.•
Russell) nevi: could have expected that the ••
the state of protective duties to fr. e teeee„..
free trade to be the most ma/Liable gene;.,'.:/,tcctiver duties the most lath:reales ev.l—he tee. c,•
have expected thot such a tel.:sit:en cete.l
witheut transitory suffering. (llcor, h. se ) lf • e.. 6
one of thoee who ever expected that these sell.
those evils could altogether let ave.:Jed.
Then the boa. get. bailee asked, with ;r at se,
triumph, aid they (the government) cornier
he a benefit cr an evil—whether they th eels :t
tags that pretes should roe from th it pr ,ent
it in 5011 1 (Rear, hear.) Be had anent:
on former otecasior_e, and the answer wee !:tr.:
were discussing the question with
present state of the serieul.ure.l ..•ti
they were dimusaing the state of
a matter of specul -lion, he should rev, ene•el •
cireumstaaces under which you are ;,
orotectien or free trade—consider ail the • :mee-
t( you find teat in countries living to e'er
some having h'gh protective duties, otters he
duties, that there is a very I,w p-ice of -•
in all, you may conclude that the •
unusual circumstances, and that the e•
cannot be taken as a wale fee
But that was merely a cp. culiv.:•.rt as to c
not ivy guide to the legisletitei e•
the house ehoeld propose. Al. t.-styn!,l
it most positiv.ly—ihat w. re prices 12'4:
sink under their present level-, cr, c*.r,
rite above it, they wo. ld not 'peek. by toe, ,
psrlismeee, to tri ate urtifleit.l or cee ..f • 'tit,'
(Cheers.) Thu was a pls., pmocsi,.•on
Whether gentlemen eons:e'er pr • ,:nt
tire to the prodtreers, err geeeraity
that pr:ntiple of legislaticet wa peri.e•
by which they meant to abide.
those price rerceieed at th-ir prc
lower, the gov,e:.ment weuld n t
the price of their too I to the people cf
That was hie answer to the Lou. ger tic r.
The taxes nadir discussion wire to
bectfit of the state ; taxes who'.
to pay the interest of Its very
in former years, and for te. tot.
the housc tleought is necessary to ',crep up t
there ware other taxes to wiry art .
which went into the exchequer, but a or. ,t
went into the pockets of particular Lie se; .
teresb, which were a v cry great
but no 6:merit whatever to tn, ex. he,
pre the interest of the cent, ace acy ,f t,
(Rear, beer.) Those texts they war .1 r., '
taro; and by ditrainishieg throe tie a tLy
increased mesas of pro.perity to t,.0 c to
the peep!. bitter to bear taxes that were ol
easy. The tax on sager was an ins •ar:.e.
notion of that duty has: rest been wry c•
loolcieg at the essolvit coueunse', which v sae
tors in 1843, z.nd teleieg tee sans gum:4 ty
year, the ducieutiou in the cost t., t 12,,
than five of money, Mier,
eel-vino we. h l.ai than tire tat:,:' e.
ci the I urtlets cn toe pe.,fle nv •
ar.ourn. (Rear, he.‘r.) V. th
vtaiti:•rs nra the wer,
sw:.r aced other articles of cceeph:y
than they cuul.! before, dye- 11:1
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tributiag w :he mtane
been Eta tb4t day iu
to:w:thstanding ell
b.'eu 7111411 to 313118 dulk 3 that
under that Led bad lacy:re I, and
of r.tenua Iv.- one of tncr,:s • 4 d .!:.
hens.) Anither w.va uf thq
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a tr.e....tut:cti. the suit ,r c. the r
hich c. •rinuted to the (ac:., I,
(11c.r, h :r.) Let Lo or., tell him
to 17 Wire it te. S.
c0,..1t1 tic I.:t hl,tn! Cr I.r
tett. r'..lg. Oleo? bar •n:., 1.:•
r.prrtented -he lan•lcd i :-rt t
of y, ar:, it htd. u in;
whicit it Lelia ern:l r, cov,r. .
(Hero, hear.) Wl•h the i••eres,e
tar wee, the owr • in nod ,c..uplett
eszhtnit. ta,ir preduee tor a much
form( r.y did, (•• No," and It ay,
tvident hum the returns. Let t.: y
rent ot land end the r, tutn t
tax for 1775, 17N), and 151.1, and say, d h
rent a la-4 and the returns received tr.r. '
iner,ated in the curse of that .lute. nil
ha 1 beta one of the main c .uses
cr,tise of inenufacd.owe, and th
by those vrgage I in the trade
hear, he.-. 1..) The hen. gtudetut
of the give rr meet en !hi, .1 let t
,icier Let they were .11y ,t::•.oned
trade. and that othot hid c. .t
trines with r4:nri t t :he dune!, •o.
Let trade. The gevernment 1
entered luta aritament urn t'
taincd that, w hs'ever icrn
tits 'Melt M c:.•us,d t' t'
by so great a transitient in our
loss would be more thaa rus. •
would be more than
of the countr.
thtir food at the rhea; t•
cured, who were ,r.A' lel •'
industry with foreign rsti •ns,
eon for an int:ream ot tint in.••l,
He should hold Ott: toe
pdiey which was founder', i.ise
on the notion of cep train!
toterests of the coon',y, a! 1 .I.c
loterest was to look tor a tr,tar
welfare, and a separice
that its ise,!aro was bound tip ss::•
interests of the country—lieu.
of all the great interests ot
which the government had COn.n..,
etilturalists would dn.t their best: r !A,
e^11114..111 and uuivetsal interest, to
thcae vrinciples, therefore, h salted
connect to the motion now htn.
man said that th.y alt,-ether t t
gentler refused relief. Why, at rretent
were nearer 23 than'(` milhoto—n th,r.ce
on the consumers, but, according to the
41 foreign: is. Nrhat did he ...ta u.
income tax, and the local toe ttim.

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portion was in feet chtrged up 3n tie e 3,
tartseturieg interests of the country, the
nothing late so gred: at that which te ••
duties. (Hear, heir.) lie hoped that
as it heti hithettl dune, maintain the sp... :.L
policy on which the governmm,
late years,—that they would : c.u..
the national erelit by tatettg oil to
nearly live millions of tsx,:•,—Cizt tiny
reject the wise advice of Utti Scan'. y, •
that were he now a member of that h '
with the g,wernment on that occasion : ''
the crelit of the country, they would per,e‘, 3,
which was a wise one fur all the intent:, ,
(Chem.)
Er. CAVLEY, in reply, said he hod not
the question on grounds of protection ; he I:3
for agriculture more thall strict juttiee. The r.
compared this year with 1919 and 13:11,
years of great adversity. Let him
three years since the establishment of Ca:
p:oicy with the three years b3reee, gr..:
find the balance on the other side. It ••3s t,,,
increased sitter 1775 sad 1790—not in c s, ,
higher price of produce, but of the r
capital invested. As to the revenue, t,io. I.
ing the publie credit was to consider the •t,, et
taz-payen. (Hear, hear.) His propetit'.co
the springs of induvtry. 113 sought et
muter of a tax or 100 per cent. in th.,
and which was aikuslly .101 per env. :to.
This woe a wheat and an oat question, 1.1
us an English questioi., ata there wit ti.M.
country, front John-O'Hont's 1,,,,u5e ti 1
which w. old not feel the hot, ii: of the tqt:
tax. But then it was not convenic,t
present. The screw oust nor bo applied. (1