The Express.
London, England, 1857-06-11 00:00:00

LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, JUNE 11, 1857.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNISDAT, JUNE 10.
[Concluded from yortetay's I:press.]
THE SALE OP BEER BILL.
Sate GEORGE GREY said he barred that to ex-
ter the mina et liarraleg by "ogle intes to phess fix the
rho et beer weer be • ~alb sir. (Hai brat.) The
errors Mine the aemrllise had etreeity larremod him
ids the esearly et mom Wiliam es-iii seler. He
r(let Is& publie-henses awl hear.hemsee writ to be
ushy ease den ailed Skase/ metreL (Chews.)
hawed that the amirwilles bed thileeted the true prin-
A: which kilikken ought le passed. Without
to iftearet to taw peeliemir eseeekles theeeht
prim
ind direst Shedd be Is sides It the Medd 4 the pro-
prim to her walla thineled baser, era to bream the
etillostra et megrim to tit limers sot merely
rem pier het her bosom ) A deputation
Windy klemend it the rid 4 Um Willard upon him,
reaserteg the IbIL irk weer iris • rep escritliu of
mostly, bat rimegy id* Is
the to the
most .e emu
hi the emir 4 their bones..
(Cheers.) the rem his err estlea should be directed
to the 'abject, is the her that be might he are to prepare
a bill calculated to emeiy the evils whisk sow erred with
regard to the sale etterriorleg Swam Wham also throe
breams which wee sr entbeeked to mil web Swam, bet ,
Ware the nod therweilded pathos peownsi. If the
bore ahead la madded erkh shalt )We Weida entsweeme
la dam k dark( the asses.
Me. ILIIIDALL Meanie. • godtillition of the the
wkii puma* loth, adenines et lawbomms, and
wades Deed
iii awns would heal.gled b,,,h
ne ertrZ
wee so mud lls ib mire poi et the .
lb. PACId Z eandiseal *hi theSO sad Ss
noel espied the WO that thy
meld le is sepieskipidt akk.
Ilk. RANDY said kW hews ositlif 4111
dim elski kw parkins (Sic
Ida to tier eurdosta et ths beetnals:rVele'Mrrle
sedistra whirr, ar be atheteimed me bops d
skimpatureamore hoisi.Vit armed by the
Ike led khan the we at the beteace of the
Valid r been Islimsted. The monomer
led set migleatel with the. mod me we bad • eight to my
, OW the pollee abed be eepeaseneed wen aetheta by Inte-
-1 mid imetives. The polder width ball Woe elemental bad
ths *adores et desistratee, deem guardians of the
=weal ettus weal norstatte parties The
le high
mom. a
pallswent to drain
ridsztting en owl te the rril. It was bis
tie ge ta • division, bet belas doing so be would
it •re obsorrions la ye* to the objections which hod
him err emir the wiewee. The Add ham. genthown
bad ktheated that be wee about to pie la the heeds et the
r the pewee to dads hew week beer or spirits
to be rhumb in kind localities. Now, be wished le
, as limit ipma whet eery ass might cheese to Mak • but
Weird to abet the sided whilli tla cammittes hid to
it They mewled time the lawehep misted bed Woad
it he • haw ; _
_last the cammemptka et wad odds hid
kr Am diminished ; that the rim et borne tar the come
=e ti iticatiag liquors bad Assn from 13,030 to
(Ilese, hear.) There wen two threw dlow
hands—lhom is which beer wee sold to ho drink on the
piewthe, mar thew In which it wee sold to be disk of the
piker ; aid be should like to see the latter clam of homes
me mime ISISOSTOIII. (Hear, hear.) But Mir of ta-
rot di of houses bad drier& Is sember.
glialltli the swim licensed to sell beer to be dirk
an the uses amounted to 34,000, wrist the
moths lamed to sell beer of the preiss wee
tidy 1,1116. But in 1866 the I_S claw bad la-
= =9,017244:
otercond h
loan tl hire tedt6l7.
se thdp_sehl is this country me myriad sett* at rownwp.
lien. The led ad which ww pawed pee thoiestiom ama
ie wier—• pier to oiled the saw stale. In the
Elpm arldweed Math lb, rise at Ileareglest bops.
lathe Edo 1 law the Phd wed *kiwi ISIOSOISS
Mete nark/ le awl esodweet In the Wan el Owego the
▪ tom the lowiftwased In the bomb at the jades'
emir is the lisar Midi to see ihat pier
e sot with ramped le the naindry et bet to he eon-
sermi but withl t:Niate miser iewimmer et the
adgidiewhood. , km) When the est et kith prod,
the ameba of yr awe, Wag or ke way
WA persam. tesedispe, width at Set attested 24,3 d,
weed es hicrewki, until the =Wm, nee to 48,000. The
rim Tea merwhel emead by Sr J. Pokington's bill,
which shard the wegreeedifthy el to. hawse. At the Ism
rut, to lin, ther mat ORO pabiWbenies,
Mt-thsp. and 621 dist dap& Then was
one lows to wary 1116 mem, inalmiles edam
ad Mikes, adthe dombees et nompaewer statism
There w ow bewshep it, weep II deka MA *0 yew al
ems, me it weep SO meths eel koala over 21 yews of age,
sad me fire wiry $7 maims dal ago. The
bed dielked with gaped to the pegoldion,tittriumbeer-
Asps hid inught up the swab= se be bed stated Om.
7.l)mi=benees mad hal= i=e&e werezo we
pair to this as Ito 72. la Nerei the Names
am se to 1 la 120 of the powslidem, how-henew king
dada oneideL Now what- lid bee the deed d tree
trades f In the nip et Osage 11. Writs became
drop, sad fele wive leek place in the streets of
i bakes arlAitod—" Drunk, • penny ;
dlealkleddr, twopence; OYER straw for nothing."
areststr) Is Sunda Gov yea es unrestricted sale of
ar the melt is that them vas so less than
8180,000 otkikali The ewes was the most drunken
people pa ths is of the earth' the proportion of silo-
to legitimate births was enormous' sad
fiats m. I, aa . the number re isighse than la Peru.
The kw. wweirst for South Laneaddes sal* we campida
that 14= Is 1 there had been ma attempt en the ped of
the awry on as new se penile hoe trade to
ribpsrr~
lime kora. What wee the camorsece f That
poohrser med. et the preens ties late custody there were sp-
ier hig bunk ad disorderly. In en dews
Wide thwe bad boa than unlimited leesairg there hell been
the =me emit limy win bri • right to drink as mark
aka white, we lose me he phreol. Thee was his eves sir;
hut it was the oak 4 Morrie to sea that three we not so
damp bowie when liquor was sold that to. semi of the
pails wee thereby kiured. If dryad neighs the licessing
power fro toe bras of the megistir. to whoa were they
to give It t rr.Haterter Obilessadd, wary unterithowas
uncouth:lei etalmeigebe midst to hare • limner if be
chose. Thal wee err_k; bra who had been
condoled yea net kens a previa shop ;
but free bade le mewls' dii we premunt adulteration, and
them wither sift importhwis put la Cayenne .pepper as in
beer. 11d.p.L.11111 lOU Oa the brewers bad influence
with the NA WM convinced, however, that If
the evert the eamseletee were carried out in its integrity,
they would be putting tote the hands of the brewers • cont-
rite monopoly, homer brewers and distillers would he the
cry prams who would give the sureties required. He
Alga hot year that the conduct of beer-shop keepers was
lie ewes then that of the keepers of publicthouscs. The
odor day then wee sir charges sgainst henna lira in Leeds,
✓ah only tee spirt • Fabliau. The magistrates ought to
lie the power et errs the houses. At present they could
not do this, brit dry kik away the home° of • publican,
the house wee kept spa under • Mr-eap liere. The other
day, Derby, • men woe convicted of receiving
goods. His tee applied for • transfer of
the Beers to is, irk the the magnum. rid ;
hat hair le did not ems he would keep it o pen as n beer-
ier, ad that wry sight hi hones was with had
themeeere. It wee tor the aitimrstes had a right to abut
up a basso it timers air • third conviction; but the par-
ties took are then never was • third conviction, se after the
second they invariably transferred the Somme to some one elm.
There was, in fact, nu restriction, and one great evil which
thy, bill wee framed to remedy was the opening of beer-shorn
in remote plum by discharged servants, and in many cases
they were very disreputable houses. The magistrates ought
to hare the power of regulating theme honors, and of limiting
the number of them, and if they did not do their duty the
Lord Chancellor ought to dismiss them. The magistrates
.cted in the face of the public and of the prem. They had
"a thirsty soul" on the ome bend, and the article. in the
papers on the other, end in London they bad plenty of people to
defend those who wore upward. He spoke freely, berthas
be was not acting se a megierate, and he must say it wee to
the credit et the magistrates that it wee only now and then
that the low end wed newspapere had the means of finding
• single ore in which they could say, "This man has
neglected Ids duty." He knew that niaglithitee, like other
men, would be influenced by ring and passion, but, at the
same time, to whom were they to give the power. He
thought they were the parties to jade of the requirements of
• district. It was • different matter to deal with questions of
property, but the magistrates were called In under the Land
Clauses Act Mindy es to the amount of compensation whin
property wee taken by public companies. He knew that hie
scheme eras not recornsamsded by the committee, but
he thought he had as much right to judge, as they
had. The committee saki the present evils sr
OPC
from competition, and then they proposed. • scheme
which would bars the effect of increasing compe-
tition, insomuch sa it would admit more persons into
the trade. His hill be believed would bring legislation io
unison with the magistrates and clergy of the country. He held
in his hood the reports of it chaplains of gaide, who all
spoke of beer-luauee an the great numeric. of crime. The work-
ing man was as interested in this matter as the rich nose.
He had letters from working men entreating that these
temptation'', these beer-hours, might be swept away. The
presented
first report of the Commissioners Inland was
to the house at the closeof of the last Revenue
parliament,
and he did sot ere it till the other day. In it they said,
" Although we refrain from pronouncing an opinion on the
effect of hew-houses on the morals of the labouring claws,
we are boned to say that in administering the law on this
'Ojeda* on COSISMItI, find* oiefolliVlS visaed in opposition
to UM clergy and n.rales, who strider the licensing
of these Downs • great evil. To their soglierlons we can
give but or WO?, namely, thst Dm Yaw dors not allow
'v • erg diesorics." There ves one pelt et *shill to which

be emne, ekwagh It wee only a matter of
en
end thatma the per.ouon to prevent ale scores teing
for la county morn. That ma not a new provides,
sa the first County Coto* Act contained • railer provision.
In London there were what were celled duo vintners, and
these persona had a privilege under the marestion of Ml-
lag a single bout, of wthe are Widtu Thew
were totally unknown; the mire ad apparent might be
up ; 11010411111011 it was • send is ete hems; and when any-
hething mug took Ode it bequide happened that
pry eenhlnet be foe M Then d
with nerd te edhowhops,
had sempleints ben el parte imbed. Tbr were the
kept
epee, odes ihr 11111Medialle peepeses, afar dee otio-lioasse
were domed, and thspelies bed no power le enter them. By
this bill they weed be nought waft emir& The bill did
not interline with dela telsrests. Deervhsp keeper might
keep thdr drop es bag se they lived ohne they were con-
v'nad of miseediest. Ha bad sow demo his &sty in bring-
ing this matter ferwor. He towed the bone, is coming to
• nachdem, would have row& to the nude of the pnple;
that they would regard not themrrpflet, not the boner,
but the Mired of the poorer einnee, end the well-being of
the community at Inge. (Chem.)
Mr. C. VILLIERS said he deer& not have risen but from
the dreumetanro of his having earl ea chairman of the
committee. What the hos. gentleman had anted with
nprd to the mod re net mall bendisd, sad
thet disposed of et bast =what et de hon.
mod honed gentheme's igasseh._ The whole of
the bet Metes week was heeded disensna to the
Tepid. The wed gentimen sold the And of
Os nun wee is have tree nods insZe2 sad he would
dime Um the 41•11111piesess if dry that newer&
New, the died et the eamedlese was inquire isle the
evils whisk as ben. ri keel had &Wed to
them le the Wm pert at ids epesC The bad and hewed
rube, mid he weeled be mine the derriater d pinem that
wen Manse' far the sale el intedesdeg. Sellotoot nod to
S the eerierst them. Int hew meld the boa. pin-
ion stele that the memittes beak me jue whatever f
VW yes the bet pespesithen that no pa-
ne amid be allowed dept a Seer, a certificate
d elerecter. Aid whet use the delement but That any
poem could get • beers widest a antidote et dersoter
me mm of It. U. The eimeittee ave‹.that the
Levied awn chimed tar dr Nom derail bereedeg in
to the weed et the psveddiss. the hoe.
MP4lll=l gentlemen Ignore& alligeihr the Wires given
Wm the ocermittes etas weiring et the pawed lulu,
end be emd • mmente that wee in Sheet Oillesitiola to
the es • bat the ben end boned gentlemen had not
idemedy der inidenes. nee use two
=ebb& were meet diestimehle, and white dee evi-
dent* &demi were the evils be addend One eal
thee they asuretel the bedew et the pelage's.
sus that le add pin • by the 'aloha beer
aim•eel that was net pubis, en bet seedy Foible.
And the ammiltedbmil that dial wee ens et the mem of
beeweepbeepen
enti easseing deteadiedis
Femme le As f preensee. What
ill the be and braid meen He pro-
=46)= "stele Odin. Thin the ban. led
who wee se arms es bee
'debt be Witham bee he le asset tharittedis
de wend He repent le wiseensheiegsse thed de perniedes
d the eml le due le W
wider d the regain mare la lAN' delimner was
nu glue. The bee. sad lama swabr said the
War ebbed ebbed le Weak de megieleles. He ens bed
elledeed the mesidestee. The moi dunk hemthis
esty—shey mit ble d the iris
et bided
Se enetilmj were sus st the aleemend Oda le endue,
det Tans) appeal the =ling of sin report the
bet per. Me whiled the 'dame le -be anointed, and
that an oppeeneild 'head le givenbe esenabot it, if that
was peasibla Whet, ter bier did the Reeorder of
Yarmouth sot That gediames dated that there was
twroarltises hews d every =on ; that many
of tie licensed hews wee et the but
that it wee did le .umgh& wind thee endereemtiPti° the
baud whisk the mem al beet hid opus the beeoh—in
Mt, tbet the negienelse vim weer per nn up
maul egyvemesiehis penes dem sinnin eead g
a ikeene—itto
wen 'tend betlilies caw ilemeed bum which bed been
breads for di years, and bet the bet wee knows to the
Seek wee • 'mph of the evidence ;
:111=t18. evidence wee the eszt year =COO-
indicted. The great dimly did seem In deal-
Z awith the lIIIIKE wee the enermous artificial
to ',verity by the liasads. erten ; but that
ththea the Ise. ondema adymeeed to increase...
Far @IN penesj ke licensees, and
only 10 or LI wen pealed, weld noun of the =RUC
MON cardieser epee Meer, hem.) He
(Mr. Villisee) Wert mirer=magetut the =dada...
(Oh, oh.) Be repent did he bed sot said • wood spinet
the meOenans. On to. esedney, be had told the house
that the meglintes bed ems termed and asked to be re-
lieved et that ponies et *air dense; sad it was • wry
striking dramennes that It dead be • county member
who bed moved that the bill be used a mooed Urns that day
sea mambo (Hess.) The eremitic had propeed some-
thing batter than the present sperm, and it was not fair en
the boe putlenten to say they bed eat. They had room-
mended that the conditions an whisk licensee should be
granted Mould be knows and bend sad be hoped that, at
all events, the hones wend set ex;ceed to support the
measure now before thee value bet looking at the evi-
dence. (Chsers.)__
Omni THOMPSON and the reel question was whether
the added erre ter in the hands of the government or in
those at the Me. gentleman opposite. He confessed that
with the views le ementeded, end having regard to the
wishes et his coreltrate, he arra not be doing hie duty
if he did not go along web the revenneeL (Laughter and
cheers)
Mr. BARROW, amidst Ind ea for • division, said be
should support the balm groonis emir by thereportof the
committee itself, of wroth emmilles is had been a member.
The nosey had cunderiedy shows that the beer-house
orlon bed roved • faibere. (Hen.)
The hems dividei—
Per the mewl reading
The=tt 213-33
thud= thrown out. (Loud cheer..)
PROPERTY QUALIFICATION BILL.
Mr. 1.. NINO mend the mend reading oldie bill. The
only Anodes be had bed wind it ins amen formal one,
namely, that msemeres 'deft weibne were to be post-
poned till neat year. Bet this did metre& to the interctde
of the electors—it only bed rellersime to them of the elected.
Now the noble nemment bad bird brae* in • bill bear-
ing on the interests et the etheMi—emiely, the Oethe Sell—
and that measure had be used • mewed dine. (Hear.)
Sir G. GREY thought bet hob this and the next two
measuree on the paper (the adios Napemes Bill, and the
Itvistration oft otere Bill) had belly b peenoned till next
year, and moved that this MR b read • sued time that day
six months.
Mr. COBBETY stria be 11111 postponement, olden the
government were repent le give someexpradon of opinion
on the subject. (Hem_ Mar.)
Mr. COLLIER did net think it would be reasonable to
rem the bill After nest d the government to bring
forward a reform bill nest year. They had already the
cetriniseticel courts, lestenerteey nthern, divorce, and frau-
dulent truths to deal with) sod they would be better em-
pleyed if they rebel themseless to these subjects.
Nothing could he ler bet eneles—(derisive cheers)—
nothing could bier with parliamentary reform. (Cheers.)
Even if the bill wave prig it would be of no inonoliete
end therefore he then his bon. friend would do well to
consent to the pastemsemet.
Mr. DUNCOItU and It was quite a new doctrine that
the tepresentativen date people were not even to drum
parliamentary term Ito WO to be tongue-tied for the
ser4ioll. They were toil that hue Majesty'. ministers had
something in 'embryo, and that nod "nu the period of
gestation would be amerced; the thus the government
would be in a part orient der and weed ley on the table—
(laughter)—before an shaking Mite and people their little
joy. (Laughter.) The government did not eufliciently ap-
preciate the good intender of the hon. gentleman (Mr.
Locke King), the noble lord (Lord R. Grosvenor), and
himself. (Laughter.) They three had really a very
little bouquet of reform to present to the noble
lord at the head of the government. (Laughter.)
If museum like these were not brought forwent how was
the noble lord to know what were the wiebee of the people?
There they were, piping hot from the busting% and never
wax there an monthly more ready or more fit to give the
noble lord information upon whit the people expected in the
way of parliamentary reform. (Hear, hear.) Delays were
dangerous—long parliaments made short memories • end
perhaps in a year or two hon. member. might forget the
pledgee they bad given upon the hustings. (Hear' beer.)
It, hoped the noble lord would bring forward cost year a
redly effeetuel measure° otherwise he bad better let reform
alone. (Hear, hear.) Ice the meantime he hoped his hon.
friend would pm his motion to a division, and let them see
who the reformers were. (Hear, hem.)
Mr. GREEIt, amidst much intenuption, said be Pow no
reason for delay, for the whole queetioa might be nettled by a
single vote. The pormion of property was • net neither o
intelligence nor of honesty. If some one would bring for-
ward a ethane for the examination of members, that would,
perhaps, be more to the purpose. (Laughter.) He ought
appeal to the bore whether the Scotch members were Ms
efficient than any others? (Hear, bear.) He ventured to
recommend for the benefit of the " reformer),"
that the qualification Mould be abolished in the first instance
in the mom northern English and Irish counties. Then
thel might attranee by degree,. (Laughter.)
'1 Mount PALMER ON briefly exprested a hope that
the bore would abide by the sort of understanding which
he had come to namely, that measures relating to the repro
venation of the country should all be postponed
till the next melon, for there would not be time to pee to
those subjects that amount of consideration which their im-
portance so well deserved. (Hear, hear.) He should forbear
on the present occasion from entering into the merits of the
bill ; but he must remark that, whatever those merits might I
be, it was • memos to which some hon. gentlemen might
entertain a strong objection. It might be mid that • pro-
rgielualification wee en amential ingredient In our coned-
system and applied to the electors as well as to the