The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-10-02 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL.

h0..,n.e usual monthly meeting of' the Town Council was
the Town-hall, at elven oclock, sterday.
Mayor, John Stewart, Esq.,e occupied the chair. :The

•
The FINANCE COMMITTEE.
r proceedings of the finance committee contained a
ee,e4ne d •
collect ation, that Mr. Charles Robinson be appointed
The or of dock fines, at a salary of .6'llo iper annum.
,11.;eqtiucle,..stion of an increase' to the salary of Mr. Mansfield,
Ponel. "IrY magistrate, was stated to have been post-
raolt,AlderMan S. Holme, in the absence of Mr. Ho.rnthy,
rona",,,the confirmation of the proceedings. He said he
had would have perceived by the proceedings. whichhd
taken been read, that nothing but routine business a
t,„ Place during the last month, with the exception of
first
,questions to which he would shortly refer. The
to tZad.reference to the special sub-committee, appointed ,
dock': Into consideration the subject of the collection of
epioi "ties. Tho sub-committee were anxious to take the
ass ," of the clerks of the magistrates, one of whom
and 'lli)sent for a week or two upon his annual excursion,
taltto Imager, therefore, citne on so late, that the corn-
coonelluatl not been yet able to present a report to the
out int ?t,9 they went on, the proceedings rather opene
upon, wider subjects than they had originally calculated
tooeii and. therefore, they delayed, until the next scia
subj,„",s of the council, presenting a report upon the whole
kern,' to One subject, however, was pressinc, the appoint-
Nieere' a collector of dock fines. These fines were very
hurl be", and, in many instances, great inconvenience
had, snstained by non-collection. The committee.t
iontit,nerefore, recommended to the council the appoint-
the !he bef.i.a gentleman, of whom they had received
oeferc,-g.uest character,, and who had produced
thouoht 'hero the highest testimonials, such as he
ral iL;
rthe. council would approve of. There. wasta
ignon; the niel) ?stun, not only in the sub-committee, tit a."
lector tubers of the finance committee, that the lat
the tnie,art been most inadequately paid, and probablythat.
trisens.'ertune which had overtaken the man, might have
11141N:int, tkbe first instance from the inability he felt to
'ear.) '"„"ts family upon the small salary given. (Hear,
~°f the going carefully into the nature of th
immense
duties
"naibe"„ee-on looking at its importance and the
r
i Vith the unesel persons whO had to be visited in connection
reeom the committee came to the re solution
the sajneild.to the council to add another £2O a year to
the aim"?' of the gentleman whom they recommenoded for
Iliiyarritntment, and to make it, instead of.
v",had 3t'ear• (Hear, hear.) The other subleart9toawyheiacrh
° refer,. was the increase to, the sal of their
-4e4 toe 84endiary Magistrate. The question.yhad been
frog .he taken into consideration on Friday last. but
lehieselhreurnstances, over which many gentlemen t.hm-
ll
• t„ no control, the meeting was so exceedingly,. of t was considered advisable to defer the. iscm
t.
no
"e question until the next meeting of the.com
He
e
n„•
"e 23, doubtless, there would be a full meeting.
the 0; uesitation in' saying that he very much regretted
241 y hAstl3°llernent, because he thought the increase would
should act of justice to Mr. Mansfield, and he hoped
as eotakillt id be able when the question came before t e
t• heLt,b give good reasons for this opinion. However,
`u„etitii;:,".lect was not now before the council, he merely
Leat it it, as many gentlemen might have expected
oved",,would come on on that day. Mr. Mane th.en
eon, n4ne confirmation of the appointment of Mr. Robin-
w•
was seconded by Mr. Alderman Cooper, an
„ kr, un, ardmously.
areee came
6, then moved the confirmation of the general
eil'gB, Which was also unanimously agreed to.
Lithe WATCH COMMITTEE.
L4elll pviir°eeedings of this committee were read. They
rulicel-,.-1 recommendation to rate to the lighting and fire
eater .'aLeB those owners of property who have refuseeen.
ebtnposition for their rates, which was
a.uo ti,
r. Gr'ee confirmation of the proceedings being moved by
Mr Hrson,
Nrilittee"?dsun begged to express his regret that the cora.
Lea ',;'°011:1 have refused the application of Messrs.
trgham, for making the public lamp:posts
that els Of advertisements. He did not mean to imply
*eta e Would
support the project ; but so long as there.
8110141111 of the tradesmen of Liverpool anxious that it
Dorm! us tried, and so long as it would not cost the cor-
that that abYthing he did think that it was but proper
Lea a at trial should' be given. He thought that Messrs.
month Bighana might be allowed to try the plan for a
as lit!! Lord street and Church-street, and particularly
Iretdd Were found unobjectionable, the corporaticw
seßgedrieeelve .tlOOO a year for the use of the lams.
be
l'eferreact !neve, as an amendment,
with that. the matter
Pernilasl back to the committee, instructions that
kr. -,;()b be granted for the trial of the plan.
neverVThertson Gladstone seconded the amendmen . _
hover uernard Hall trusted that the committee would
the e 8341ction such a practice. It would not conduce to
blenkene senience of the public, to have the thoroughfares
to Pea/ by people, who would surround the lamp-posts
kr. Iluo advertisements on them.
orlcl oh rat:l
he eiter also expressed his opposition to the plan.
eernedsd that, so far as the tradesmen were con-
ittainsi only opinion as yet expressed by them was
fdr,
kllo.i.oakin considered that it would be improper to
ttrade,,,,`" Posts to be used for the advautagement of one
Ll:totertan to the detriment of another. He should,
fight iare, opposebe the plan but he thought that the posts
htr!fairly used as a ineans of giving inforation as
banaes of the streets, and otherublic matters.
id
tot sa Aldernaan Mime hoped the council . won.
Fuldneti°R an such ridiculous plan. If they did, they
see the
Whole of Lord street, from end to end, full
L.,lVrt, iu s 20s coats." (Laughter.)
council eerrer)lai 111
t°ou,,gehi remarked that the tradesmen of the
her against the plan, and reminded. the
"-sanhieslittitat theb Guardian Society had before memorialled
beta
it.
beta o'fAldernaan Parker Mr. W. Earle, and other mem:
-mend tOthiet,eOu_n,cil also expressed themselves in opposi-
-`uerkitte_. and ultimately Mr. Hodson withdrew the
Th „ "E•
e°llfirm-Zean.eral proceedings of the committee were then

THE

in the building of a dwelling house, the original plan was
generally deviated from; and it was, as a matter of
course, much more to be expected in a work of great extent,
He might also state that it could not have been introduced
atran earlier period, because the deviation line through
Sir Robert Gerard's estate had not, until an advanced
stage of the works, been arranged for. Both reservoirs
were necessary for the completion of the scheme on a
scientific and satisfactory manner, and, therefore, he asked
with great confi fence for the approval of the council
for the contracts before:them. The committee, guided by
the experience of the past, had adopted the plan of apply-
ing to parties that they knew were capable of doing the
work, and doing it well. (Hear, hear.) They had besides
fixed upon the lowest tenders, and he therefore brought
them forward for adoption with the unanimous recom-
mendation of the committee. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Hodson seconded the motion
Mr. Alderman Bennett said that it was not his inten-
tion to have said one word, had not the chairman of the
committee made allusions altogether out of place. The
chairman told them that they should of necessity look
forward in a gigantic work of this kind, to the estimates
being somewhat exceeded, but he should have also told
them, that these estimates had risen up to the present
moment, from £480,000 to a sum considerably exceeding
£700,000. If it had not been for the positive assurance of
the most practical gentleman in the council-room, that, the
works would not exceed the original estimate of A'480,000 ;
Mr. Hawkeslev assuring them also by letter and report,
that that would be the case, he felt confident that the
majority of the council would have voted against the
prosecution of the works, and not in favour of them.
They were now asked to grant a further sum of £17,000,
for the construction of two after thoughts of the engineer,
on the reservoir at Aspull, and the other, a more recent
after thought the reservoir at Mountrey House. He had
no reason to doubt, but that the detour of the line was to
get at Mountrey, in order to obtain another elevation
and make another break in the line, and he would think
better of the engineer, if he had candidly stated that that
was the object
Mr

Carle believed that the estimates would not
have been exceeded, if there had been less opposition
to the scheme in the first instance. The storm which
then raged, thanks to Mr. Bennett and others who raised
it, carried away with it elOO,OOO of Rood hard corporate
money, saddling the works with -5,000 a year in per-
petuity. The injudicious manner in which the contracts
had been taken, was also a cause of the excess
over the estimates, and it might further be referred to
their not appointing their head engineer, which they
could have easily done at the time. He did not come
there to vindicate the conduct of Mr. Hawksley in every
respect. He thought Mr. Hawksley had been extremely
dilitary, but no man could anticipate everything in con-
nection with extensive works. Mr. Bennett himself,
whose fame in certain manufactures procured for him
extensive business, could not do so in his own works, and
yet he sought to make it a charge against Mr. Hawksley.
He (Mr. Earle) heard of a great philosopher having gone
to fish in the " Pike." He supposed he had gone there to
fish for gudgeons, as if there was not enough without
going there. (Laughter, and cries of " Name, name,"
from Mr. Bennett.) He did not know whether Mr.
Bennett. was with him or not, but he supposed the
philosopher's garb and fishing rod were a sort of disguise
to enable him to fish out what was doing there—whether
anything was wrong with the " Pike," and so trump up
stories and mare-nests for the public. They were absurd,
those stories—lies, all lies from beginning to end, and
that was the proper term for them.
Mr. Alderman Bennett begged it to be understood that
he did not object to the acceptance of the tenders. He
thought the works could not be made cheaper, or fall
into better hands.
The motion was then agreed to.
Mr. Holt, in moving the confirmation of the general
proceedings, said, that under the circumstances in which
the works were now placed, they being very near corn.
pletion, he could not allow the opportunity to pass by
without making some few remarks on the subject,
especially as the first testing of the pipes was now before
the public in Mr. Hawksley's report. Between three
and four miles of the large pipes were tested, the water
having been allowed to flow through them. They were
under test from ses en to eight hours, and he should say that,
to the gratification of the committee, they stood it better
than was expected, there being no leakage or flaw anywhere.
The council and the public should, however, understand
that that part of the work had not a very heavy pressure
on it It was less than at other parts, but to compen-
sate for the subsequent heavy pressure the other pipes
were hooped with wrought iron hoops, and there was
reason to suppose that the breakage would be less than
what generally took place in connection with such under-
takings. The contractor himself anticipated the test with
confidence, and felt no anxiety as to the result, other than
what might fairly be supposed attached to his responsible
position. He (Mr. Holt) had ventured to say some months
since that all the pipes would be laid during the present
municipal year, and he should again venture to say that
he was still of that opinion. There would no doubt be
considerable breakage, but as the work progressed the
confidence grew stronger that it might be less than what
might justly be expected. He did not think that it was
his place, as chairman of the committee, to answer all
anonymous letters in the newspapers, but as this was a
subject which largely interested the public, he might be
permitted to refer to one which appeared in one of the
daily papers (Daily Post), though it contained so much of
wilful mistake and obvious looking out for fault-finding,
and so many assertions at variance with truth and accu-
racy as to be almost undeserving of notice. It had all the
appearance of being the production of an ill-informed aad
ill-disposed person—perhaps of a discarded servant (hear,
hear), and was so false that it could not but astonish any
one acquainted with the works. Everything connected
with them were now on a satisfactory footing ; and, in con-
clusion, he should say that, in some years hence, it would
be found that the gentlemen who had promoted the scheme
of bringing water from Rivington had anticipated the
wants of the town in a wise and beneficent manner.
(Hear, hear.).
The general proceedings were then confirmed.

LIBRARY AND MUSEUM COMMITTEE.-THE DESIGN FOR THE

NEW LIBRARY AND MUSEUM.
The proceedings of this committee contained the
The ~,, following report with reference to the designs for the new
Air,- eree e. DOCK COMMITTEE• public library and museum :
, eeeengs of this committee were read.
The committee have to report to the council on the steps
Proeseeeenarles Turner moved the confirmation of the ~ ,
Mr,""nge• which they have taken with reference to the designs of the new
ado Shane s building. In February last, they advertised for competition
etee . seconded the motion which was unanimously
e without discussion '
s plan., and, under the sanction of the council, offered premiums
a, The IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. of 150 guineas and 100 guineas, respectively, for the two best
eZreereripepceVings of this coirjrnitteee contained a designs. In the first instance sketches only were required, of
eoerteestien to e see memorial of the inhabitants of the town, which no fewer than 115 sets were sent in. Out of these, 16 i
"Rh ' Public improvements on the site of the old were selected for the final competition, which is now to.
.be
celeession gaol In consequence of the importance of the decided. The best mode of arriving at a satisfactory. decision
oestiv, it Was
postponed to the next meeting of the has been a subject of great anxiety to the committee. Con-
lakr"tee
.8.1
gs, wh,_holine sidering that the competitors, who have studied the subject
moved the confirmation of the proceed-
;otsarseopeeas seconded by Mr. Bennett, and carried. st deeply, would be best able to appreciate the merits and
defects of the designs sent in, it was resolved to give them the
eao les pre Tse:w AND ST. GEORGE'S HALL COMMITTEE.
opportunity of examining the plans, and of recording their
eedb oceedings of this committee were read, and.
4 kr, D43' kr. Alderman S. Holme. . opinions. This has been done without any personal inter,.
the ' Bennett the Itppeoaeh asked that his motion on the subject of course, or, indeed, any knowledge whatever of the parties
'lll3tQeeedin
es to the hall might be taken at that stage of competing. Each.. competitor. was requested to name the three
see e eo„ , gs. designs, in addition to his own, which he considered the best
-slC,Att. ,o;l3rtalel. declined hearing the motion out of the worthy of the premiums, in accordance with the conditions laid
down. The committee have also exercised their own
Te Proceedings were confirmed. Ith e Pro ,Id went, aided by the advice of the corporation surveyor.
esidtehonse-ceeding6 of the markets, education, and gaol The result has been, that the design bearing the motto, Con
=tout correction committee, were also confirmed
any discusson. Amore, being the one which had the greatest number of votes
,' The of the competitors, is considered by the committee as the best
HEALTH COMMITTEE.
INlne 14. eeeedi adapted. taken as a whole, for the purposes of the institution,
the ' 'ecotone •
nge of this committee contained the fol-
a. nd therefore entitled to the first prize, 150 guineas, subject to
e Note endations :—Recommendation to increase
111tinee .., sof the following officers in the borough its coming within the means at the disposal of the committee.
tor . department, vie.—Mr. W. A. Richardson, from The second premium, of 100 guineas, they recommend to be
lele ili,clli ter annum - Mr. Joseph Pennell, from given to the author of the design marked. " Alma," being the
tersllB,,ce 4.60 sir. William' Walker, from £95 to £ll5 ; one that stood second in the competitors' list. There are
sse'atri heneelas Ho' ug f ee'el es to '£42Evans, many others deserving of honourable mention. Indeed, there
furieti,`"„to el 20; trhoenicons4deration of which was post- is no design amongst the whole collection which does not
ipthefeerewee last monthly council, pursuant to the stand_ display merit, many of them of a very high order, either in
kr Allan Recommendation to increase the salary of elegance of design or arrangement of plans. The committee
toe,,k, frol"sount, clerk in the borough engineer's depart-
trust that the result of this decision will demonstrate that it is
aate to-61-'o4e 12a to se6s per annum. Recommendation ,
ee„seres or several rates under the Sanitary Acts, those possible to conduct a competition with perfect fairness and
impartiality, and. with the assistance of the competitors them-
.l.tio se property who have refused to enter into com-
Mr' I."t Payment of such rates.
te, an selves, to arrive at a conclusion which will be generally
satisfactory.
eettes, .gsdale moved the confirmation of the salaries . The committee recommend that the designs
snr„ e, shall be publicly exhibited fur a fortnight, before being returned
istr, '4ole to the competitors.
Wise, ante asked what office Thomas Hough held ?
espiile_tles Zeaeee said he was a youth of 19,
, Jirreir,they
elvo-neen, and was one of the most splendid and second prizes should be given, were hung in the
council-room.
elee. Early ever "er had.
give him. - • tmoved the confirmation of the proceedings.
liteeeghtees • And a most splendid salary you
es 1'4114 o't. .It strikes me very much, indeed—the, great He said, the first thing he had to bring before the notice..
koLa. stoes-se‘hea council. (Hear, hear, and laughter). I of thereeuncil, was with reference to the competition
R 11614 abe'neS° to hear Mr. Holme talk so much this drawings. The main features of the affair the council
le, a„,- ae Year-",,,a man's salary being raised from £9O to had learned from the report. He had very little to add to
'eves— gaunt increase, where the man had charge of that; but he should be very glad to answer any question.
toree„er ense`ty of money' ! lam not an advocate for which any member might wish to put as to any informs;
11-1,,e Yout"e'rrantable expenditure, but I think you ought tion he thought desirable. All he could now say was,.tthta
the'elees e.ffteers in such a way that they could kee
?flan ' With decency. (Hear, hear.) I know I pa efr ,le i P the utmost possible care had been. taken by the corpmi ee
y in endeavouring to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion, an.cl-
secrete lee own employment more than that. that all the parties who had been
,consulted, were uenfaonrie
eie ecisin—"ale said the salaries had undergone a most mesas in recommending the design which was now
of
stehi,
stqa.observation. If the council wished to give the council as worthy of the first prize. The position
th, ." sato. Year. he would be very glad. the matter was this ;—The committee were notnow
r
V* 11,4ereasele6 Were all confirmed, with She exception of bringing before the council the plans for contract or fo
itstancl-e`e Mr. Allan Blount, which, in accordance execution in their present form; but they had publishedd
7'-' Pro'leg orders remains over to the next council. advertisements, offering two prizes for the first and second
tut' The pros eee dings were confirmed. best plans, of .£l5O and £lOO. In the opinion of the compet!-
Ure
"tntue'llege of the gardens and church expendi- tors themselves, who had been consulted, as the council
ttee were confirmed without discossion. had heard—in the'opinion of the corporation surveyor—
, Th A
Ow nreeee,„ WATER COMMITTEE. and in the opinion of Mr. William Brown, who felt a warm
i D 'led aeey'Llugs of this committee were read. They interest in the matter—and in the unanimous opinion of
t ree frofrom Mr. Ilawksley, stating that the the conimitteessethe conclusion arrived at was, that taking
Pl"' oT
.a ,H,,o,rwich filtre-beds to Aspull reservoir had been an things together, it wets the most suitable plan and the best
')/.l.o,,l's6kaee—aS,‘„they had stood the test without breakage deserving of the premium. He observed in the Daily Post
lisdltrunC tne proceedings also included the following of that morning, an anonymous letter which found great
4:, *l7 Grnadtions :—Reeoremcnclatien t° promote Mr• fault with the decision and the recommendation of the
ts'eeer reettsl'fra to the position of first-class collector of committee, and stated that out of the sixteen designs
evieratee'eand that his salary and poundage be calculated which had been selected for the second competition, not
Qs Posti4(
ci22o per annum ; the consideration of which more than five had complied with.the conditions. If the
feud stater a at the last monthly council. pursuant which , writer had studied the subject a little further,. he might
ker rmg orders. Recommendation to accept the hive gene still further in his statement, and said that not
et tlka AuraoMr George Thomson, for the Aspen reservoir, one single plan of the whole sixteen, if they were to. go
eeerver of
the,sls 16s 2i ; and for tho Mountrey House into the most rigid scrutiny, which precisely complied
The
first sum sum of .e 9,622 2s 91. with all the conditions. All the committee could say wee,
tisk.* 'recommendation vas unanimously adopted. that they recommended the plan which, all thin cone
el4t theee Hattori moving the acceptance of the tenders, said sldered. appeared to them the most suitable. He wouldr
e.,,,5r0
T•4s,c. eiplete
.. 'ne ee
soo reservoirs were now the only works to be just mention one or two points to which the attention o
the Rivington scheme of bringing water the committee in formin their decision, 2r_st ineeeiTeegstpn to Liverpool. The Asp, till reservoir was called. In the first placegas the handsome donation of
was specially
°Ned rete in the first Act of Parliament; but into the Jr. William *own p., onld contribute Very large,:e tottl.F! s 7)Ltiln 1849 and 1850 it was introduced, and received towards the` expenses:' it was dsirable that the library
ttl of the council, and wa an, f e
et plan. With r 8, ,re or , within the part of the building should forme .d' t* i end separate
a is Inc
finalvast
a char . magnitude and • '
egard to the other In a work of block, connected with the other t. by the ' central
por ions
to, 'eater there , going through aountry of such hall. He believed that object I' d •th in the
was comp le wi
or sob s should of necessit be addition erst plan as well as, if not bett than I fth other
44. the straction from, the • • y some se , , _
veryrefleet• nature of Chines— °rigsnal plan. It grew out designs seer.: before them. Another great feature was,
ionre
e-ear h ) d as no 1 the practicability of a future extens
on the skill or judg ' , ear. —an w , belied d
ion of the building,
meat of the tlesisuer.ven Which he beheved was provided for in, that planlbetter