The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-09 00:00:00

MANCJIBSTER, April 8.

Srocj•BlottAxon.—The market haa not been aninastod,
bat the amount of business has been rather greeter perhaps than
would be slithered from the gant*tioak end prick lure been eteottr.

April&

Broad-Ixemtwou.—Thers wu my little inquiry after
&area la MY gawks( to-day, and the pekeeer eaturday were wartely
supported.

April 8
BTeez.-Zxceemoot.—There is no msterial charge is Wtoeo of the market since itatuNts7. This morning the Wes We bees
- Great Northern., IS dist; lark and North SWUM Peel, Sk
CaWareham, a 3-111; North Western Pref., ef din

AKIJT, ,L, Apra 8.

Moan-liomAnss.—Tt. market isstill insetivt.
were a few deallno loot y) In tho Quarter Shares of the °mot
tern Cotopary and is Midland Stock, but we have no vadat!
talon to notice.

r. Then
)rest We:

IMPERIAL PARL LAMENT.

HOUSE OP COMMONS.—MousiT, Ana 11..
' Bri&w took the elk abaft MOM 4 esloek.
PUBLIC BWIINUNL
NEW 1111141111 k

L 4 4 Syngova tusk 4101 Me oast as =saber
Li Team
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Tan POSTOYFICI.—By_Iir. O. DIINC_Mifna
lisoliardirsi
NIA
bp- a

&as
is

IVETT.

boa Bases, la Ilmeed dais pre;sdvism -
Lummox sr Gams cos Ram —B Mr. MONTE, Ds=
a pins la Losemblie sal kr. BERNAL, from 'Mood, Is
Lev r et this
Camel. Pesmisiisirs.—By Mr. BRIGHT, tress several
. ibesdriss is Olmoew, he the abolition ad this peeislustest.
Tits Clausen SlTABLlSiitairr. —BF Mr. BRIGHT,
Terkeise. seams the ayprepriaties et messy by tie
assablishmost.
Laseez.—By Mr. COBDRN. Rem =Swum
i: If , mar Leeds, yogis, tee se mosaiss et Ms time
d *wide; la famortse to twelve balm.
.. . Faciosiss Bur..—By Mr. MUNTZ, from Bitmlogitem,
Is imear of this MIL

NOTICES OF MOTION.
Costume oat Peas.,lo6/11.1\1111—Ills. DISRAELI add
that, with aletesee to tic oldie of =mica eves by the
table lad. the Mat alaider of the wawa, kw the 12th lath.
for a emalthe to lapin ate public Wades, ie mu his io.
Nodes IMO the lelleobag reeduideo, by way of mead.
" *abeam le pomades of ticiedleadies
requisite to sestilthe these se lee; that a eseaaittee sf
*dry, soder gosh ekthadasese, would edy delay each
faddism ; and that it is the ti.lt oa the:,
swh esegoesibility, to leagues fare neon►
eery te cleat every reduedes is the ladled establisdatiest
etheisteut with the effic(eut diatom d the public wake."
(Hear, au.)
lie. HONSMAN begged to Ai,. ashen
I:Ftbs neat
of the soda of the hes. amoebae fa &Ohm : Dbres/i)
Was defeated ea the 12th iestear, be sees, as aa
asesudieest, that the isquiry ezteed to essinieseical se
well es esker eateries." (Brae beer.)
FenTRADI.-111r. HUM* gave soda Ad he would,
ea to morrow torreakt, meth a resoled= to te. east that
it wee the *aka sfi the hoses that all 'minter sow sub
jected to endows duty should be admitted duty feta, so
that the importatiee at ialautheuriog. produce night be
placed on equal footing with that of ',mutters].
AUSTRALIAN COLONIES.

Sir W. molifsilciiiisiii;iii:E;der Secretary of
State for the Colonies with regard to en order issued by the
Govi.rnot of South Australia, directing the publication of
certain resolution with regard to the new tionstitutioo of
that coney, mad which were to be proposed at the next
tontine of the Legislative Coss& These resolutions were
to the effect ;
Mist the breed yarthreet doer ware epee tbs pens-
sig: derella = heal erefiaL sad
how swy
earn the rpo. the aiseld relberate=l eleatalty
etre Prior I 'Detre her el the behlreeo sheer as
✓ah se prier memile Or at the maw gamey, ead heft at
apreessit aad two themera a. whet di Yr prang the tam
eiretres naMes era et ths esierear road at ere h•
ars tar IL UM re Weald vie sherd wit pews the of
dballsolog tow eardoeld aseserse. Ihr thin be TO-
=tgwrinwese. lhat the dell he named ea
u the re here weereal. nose the
iambi p. 11111•11111 AMU bre atidiabreed Mr the were hods
et re rimy. Mist
spersta • federal mita d the Autralisa ears
tri.
As sane W ass. tesolutims woad lied to • enstitntion
lisatio•l prbolph with that while\ he (Sir William Mole*
Inelk) repined he these winks, be asked the hon. patie-
nts" wkadma Bs MA smelted • copy of the reselatioas, with
or y its from dr ioniser, emplaning why they have
bees published itt an offleiil fors, and whether copies of all
information ois this sabjest will be viand in the herds of
members Wore the next dietitian of the Australian Colo-
nies Bill ?

---- -
Mr. HAWES stated is reply that es Saturday last copies
were received is form of a public despatch; aad as re-
prded the resolutions referred to, hi Right say that they
were littenoed to be moved in a futon noolag of oonscil;
bat whether they would be received or sot, be mid set
then say. There would be no objection whatever to the
public:vim of the moieties', which wee" the 'mastics of
• private pesos, mid with which the govermaest had had
nothing whatever to de. (Hear, kw.)

THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.
Si, E. N. HUN TON beged to ask the noble lord at the
had of the reverminent it it_ were his intention to take up
the gamiest of the Eeekelestical Commission ea as early
clef;2B.:, that day week ?
J. RUSSELL stated. la reply, that there wire three
Tay important masters whisk task prceedence of all other
Instate, as had been iatiaated by him previous to the re-
am; and he thought it most desirable that their course
should not be laterrapted. The Stamp Hill was smother
natter that misfired aa early aid prompt mange:neat, and
therefore he feared the bouts would act be able to enter on
the consideration of the E.clesiestical Comaiasioa Bill on
Monday. If forced to name a day be would
state that Mcaday, the 22nd tut wield be that on
which it was meet lttely they would take up the measure.
(Hear, hear.) However, math would &spout oa the time
takes by the nessares that preceded is.
NAVAL ASSISTANT-SURGEONS.

On the question that tbhoUe resole, teal! into a com-
mittee of suppler,
Captain BOLDER° said that Issatedistely before the
Easter recut he pa* notice of a statics in reference to the
assistimit gurus of her Majesty's navy. Sines uses he had
bees entrusted with petitions hem various parts ef the em-
pire—from Hereford, the Royal College of Edinbarsh, from
King's College, Landoll, from Gay's Hoeplul, from Chariag-
mose Hespitek from Stockport, and several other plisses,
praying that the maistant.surgeoss of the navy be takes from
the cockpit, sad accommodated in the gearoem or ether
cabin, sad treated with similar respect to the moistest ear-
gems is the army. (Hear, hear.) His object was to have
• fair and full and impartial oonsideratios of the case of
thee path me., while% he endeavoured to lay before the
ttPte sues facto committed with it, as would guide them to
the wisest and best traclusicat ; and then it would be for the
house to decide if each a state of things should be permitted
to medals.. It would be sees by the petitions from the
various UMlTOTatiall interested in the educatios of niedieel
youth, and from the large and impatient hospitels laLudos
and elsewhere that the faculty were determiaed to
submit to Rub treatment no looser; sad Hashed why—ha
would say because a uniform red navies neglect had bees
(I'l'towards them. (Hear, Lear) The tut wu they
i: flitted ma the assistair-surguas of the aavy as
Walt, in iajury, and an iajastice, commut upon
which it was not necessary for him to make. Ha 'mud
that as far back a. INS it mil
.tratemplated.that the

assistant-ingpmef the navy Mould be essiallated Is every
respect to ebom Of Hie army ; but from that time to ISIS fie
step of is bad been taken towards that amelierie-
tion of their amaditice. la 1819, the reigning Sovereign ap-
pointed a emmission to Muir* into the navy sad army ex-
penditure, mid the report of that ecamisnion—compesod of
some of the meet distinguished *km in the as
that the medial °Nam of the navy should be
mandated ia emit and pay to those of the army, whisk
recommended* rose ordered by the Hoses in onnal to be
carried late amt. Now, he asked the right houns
man opposite maseted with the Admiralty the
order of her Majesty in council had sot been wet ?
(Hese, hear.) dad anything occurred between ISIS and
BO to militate against them ? Nothfug whatever. The
committee appointed in 1847 to inquire into the expenses of
the army and navy made • report, In which they alluded to
the fact, that the emi•tant-eargeon in the navy wag plated
in a grade inferior to the assistaat-surgeon fa the army both
as regarded his position and rate of pay. (Hear, bear.)
The report also went on to observe on the fact, thst molt
bad the effect of depriving the navy of qualified
ggeeoonas and the difficulty of obtaining them. The Admiralty_
finding each to be the case, and wishing to remove the ilia
-
malty, wrote to Edinburgh, sad offered to part with
that portion of their patronage width applied to
naval medical appointments in the sesimat-=
deportment, and which they oared to the
of Edinburgh. Notwithstanding that, /sr the diet yam that
followed theta were no applications for appeiatmem, mil in
the second year there was one only ; Mom the psis**
bad resolved, and the college parsed twist*" to the
effect not to avail itself of the privilege cared it mks; all
the assistant-surrema were allowed to rem** a hiss po-
skim on baud ship. (Hear, bear.) Is 1848 there was no
application for an at pastas* ; and even it they bad appli-
cations at present they were not from the best qualified, be.
cause the elite of the prat'. nit a would not under the einem-
stances sater the profession. (Hoar, boar.) In all other
profession, they hod abundance if candidates; sad that fact
suggested two important consideration. The $M was, In
case of war armies the distraction from the new mode
of warfare, sad from the imam* implemoats used
is action, would be very great of life sad limb; sad, onus-
quality ;key should have accomplished ssrgeess. (Hear,
hear.) Secondly, la these " piping time M peace," when
they had only a few mewls afloat, the supply of eon**
was soMing emapseed with what it would be la tits event of
war ; and they meld mot send about p.mgamge to the
various masses sad Impress the mils* mndeato whether
they willed it er not. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, in sash em
event they would be essatielled to take warmallial men.
If they leek* sense the Atdustie they wassail Sad
• diatom* SW* a AMID_ * previa last the beersake pi pullidolll WO yeaqr 'enthrals
IcetMim
*equal ability sad statics In life, mad t every
way to the perfermsee of sumtleal epe,a terdoom,
entered s. waif , mod the other the navy, ens being tom.
meta, dad theWm, weight say, safervesale se fez. The
you* me who joined the army was received by the officers
of the mess, and emj .yed all the social thrittorts at • do-
mestic ma. (Hoar, mar.) The bunch room yes his
castle, sad be bad ;Amity of leisure and ow-dually for
dandyism sad raising himself is his probasion ca which
elm** his ulterior prosperity depeatled. (Hear, bear.)
Os the other head, the navy maistant- mime OM toyed:log
himself to the eoptala was resolved with the mama some y,
but was turned lam the cockpit, where his impeder
Wahl be bays thirtami yeses et spa He Min la a ha*
mink co eft be performed his Wads* to the preseass of
►ape; he had so separate *shin to Mies to Mal we germ*
to wait apes him, sad he bed M opmerraelepx4=
ha preherimall Maas. Hai* Um pima

the thereglitiel and the Serer were preveated hem eking
is their pearides, sad the Imre the moral weee the
stream was the sear ef degearreM It rear be brae
Is wind that thk was • proledat k whir art and *dear
were armory, by the sombreros et whisk
Ow
arise be reserved from *bet
•
What wee a cockpit ? A seriph la _
• ship, wheys the sea nem IS "' ' '
....... ,t
lived la ea Japan auscepheme.
Who err study la the midst r ..•
..
proper pealtisa for • . tea,
la •• is sash a midair._ .t riaa ' . 1 .•...
petisel laterreptiess, Mirk Ilesser—ea in
arty. This lathe kis spirit, destreyed his milmsper sad
setherealdeast. took away all stimulus te eseedes. sad led
seller spirts se leave the series .es the LA
HAr mosabere mart eall this a petty griereemageTt4
he NSA • prey 'draftee if a der. 0 water erre to
11.21 th
se= ea ilarig =illusb.l .4a
Qsl
were he at g tea hers
that Mr. Hirehret eat la :Mt Aar, die osamosase would
betadief.",o Ii• hid se her Ile lad with ro-
te My; jolt the soak was a perset mockery. By
arkesat mem le ask with lieute-
nastagertras.• • , and with isMakelnienle of math's' ;
bat Wilk a d as.Meatsrst of radme mit asebeakiag west
into the weed-rest, the soolimmewmpsia lime Into 0 ill
cork-pit. The two mss of equal 'irk Mee 'pima in li
totally darer maiden. There were rug otter Mats
whisk he.. migkt ham brought Melo& but he did
ass wish to Astra the hers. He keret km had oaki
rarer le poem tats gross Wades wee tier te the deb
'naval ilemins biro poem* dreagorame. It wee aft tin
ammo tithe SW he alvere4 are that
7:lll=aarvil eerie,. He was net osßriMd with
au sasistaatsurgeoas; Fe had had as mmeessiserm with
ere r them ; bat he bid bees lei ft Meg the salgest for-
mal by pre sad ressisadom bob. ; ark above ell, by
re eakeasded admiration Ise thr marl .rule* ei Gnat
Britain.
Admiral DIINDAS said the hon. and gallant member bad
stated that Mere were no candidates fur the ores of =leant
surgeon. Now in the lam two peen there bad been 178 age
pllestione, and at that moment there wee • 1114 of 268, on
halt pay 23, candidates eligible and is waiting 39. Oaly 11
bad Win takes sines Marta last. The statement that there
were no esadadates set therefore fall to the grouad.
Sines the increue d the pay there had been no Mirky is
obtaining esadidates. Hu hr. sad gallant Mead wee sot
j added in spethieg disperagingly of the naval surgeon ; they
were, he behaved. as a batty, u well qualified el *NO of
the arm . Ware the haat tars years an order had
horn the Admiralty, to the art that la every
ship above a slush rate, there should be • cable of twice the
ire of other cabins, for the susulmadaties of metes,
arietaateu gemn, and rand Were. its emelt say that
he thought prewar of the urgers tested greatly as
keep the aoudad et the young men esenet. limy of these
with Mt, m he had thee aesociated ea a boy bad cautioned
his firm Meads, tad it appear to him meet desirable that
the older should ars•ciate with the yowler. As regarded
the amity or the ward rooms, he might steatisaret she
ward-room of the Qum was twentreis ism leap
by twisty breed, sod that than were twenty-two groom
1 coastaatly there. He maw no rear foe the pro.
poetd alteration. He wee certain that the general feel.
lug of the navy wee sot in favour of it. Net that he
supposed for a resent that the other Akers of the navy
wen update the assistant armor ; bathe believed that the
beet seems@ whisk tikii navy had at prier were those who
lied been brought up in the cockpit.
Mr. HUMS felt obliged to the hon. and pliant member
for barging forward inc subjeet. There might be Nadi•
dates enough for the elite of aseistaat-surgeon, but the
question wee whether the navy was net entitled to have r
able sees em the army. No medlar men who sour obtain
• situation in the army would ever go to tre navy Osly
those who Gild elsewhere had recourse to the naval service,
and therefore the navy wee in an inferior positim. As re-
garded the alleged want of room, eight or tea years ego Sir
George Cockburn gave the same answer, and sire that time
airy additional persons had been admitted. A peeresses
ought not to be given to a man who understood the me-
chisere of steam engines over one who was familiar
with the anatomy of the human frame. As re-
panted the number of gaol fled candid/am if the ',anent
admiral referred to Sir William Surnet's *admits he would
find him stating that be had no su:h candidates for the earl
service es he wished to have. Hs afterwards required addi-
tional qua &lase.
The noose then divided—
._

For going tato committee
Agatha it
Oa the 11111eadrint being put,
Admiral BERKELEY said he was awry that he had not
risen at an earlier period is the debate. No was had a
greater desire than Mahlon to we the anistant-surposs k
the they in the leaden which they deserved to omen ;
bct he thought it weak not be ler their own good as mem
in the ward room of a Ike of battle ship, and he was mks fd
opinion that it would be a Feat bar to the dieriplith of the
envier, if, oa their arse entering, they were alleged he
men with ,a higher this of officers. The warrant effieme
could only afford the provisions allowed by tie wow
meat; and, essesquently, they had no seem plus
but their own sabias. Would the maistast-surgeons
like to mew with themselves, net anxieties with
any one else ? The gallant officer had compared amistant-
eargeoas with lieutenants of marines. Many young men,
ga entering the tarps of Royal Marines, not hams thinnest
assistaaes frogs their Meade, were obliged to borrow the
amount requisite for their Galli! ; and, through colas into
Ike ermine* werdroom to mese, perhaps they never rem-
Med, and eemenithatly were °blind to leave the sonic,
Wader a stigma. He ventured to say that no assistant-ear
pea, as entering the service, received one farthing from
Ids Mewls foe his oaths, sad if ponies in that station were
ha ails ward-room is many caws debts would b,
iisuned instead a being paid. It might be said
that the you' midshipmea were only skylarking bor,
cud were, therefore. wont associates for surgeons. Oenerany
spooking. they had been educated at the best eradanies—
such se atom and Mathew, sad he should lake to know in
what social respect the rev.-- meths were their supe-
riors. He veatand to entered the - - with

my that they enter.- navy
seareely any advantage but their education as enigmas.
Why did not the gallant ofiker propose this rwolution at the
period when he was himself a member of the government ?
Capt. BOLDERO observed that he had been asked why
Ise had not brought the question forward when Le was •
member of her Mejesn's government. If ha had bees ia
the Admiralty he should have used every of rt to get the
Mate of Wags remedied. He did not suppose then was
azdaidistimeties between the assistaat magenta mad the
Si, MARINO said that he wss sot prepared to divide
the helms sofa on the subject. It was the statement of
gentlemen eassected with the lava' MITYIOII that there were
peastisel difikulties as regerd.d accommodation. A commis-
sion was appointed to inquire lap the matters upon which
them was hardship tattling the assistant surgeons, end
the commissiouen stated, upon full consideration, that they
found then were practical difficulties in the way of making
any arrangement. They said, that the meammerkatisa
afforded of late years had been so improved as tel mar Bre
removal lass armada then it might have been, sad thew'
fere they were sot to make say recommendaties. '
This was the of • commissiou of distinguished
ollints. It was impossible to give more accommodadas
than actually talked, and therefore he did not think that
the admiralty could accede to the expectations of the has.
and gallant
Hr. HUME said that thou' sumbets who had not beard
of the commiesies of 1840 ought to be informed that the
sammimissm had recommended various alterations and
improvements ia the aocommodatios of the medical tatters,
but they could not reonaniend that which was sought for.
The resolution was then agreed to.
REPRISALS. _

Oa the question that the iiitteier do now leave the chair,
Mr. ANSTBY sailed the attention of the house to the
illegality of repdmak when nude by officers of her Maksety's
navy without aim withority of en order in council. There
had bees had on the table of the bows •
taw book soneelaba the oorresondence between the
government at lens sad their representative In Greece, end
repementadwee of the Cheek government, on the subject
of the eine widsh were urged es the aJwn of Omen. He
did net appreamh the mistiest M a spirit hostile to the pool.
lien aka-by the &Monte, or that taken on their behalf
by the goverment. On the contrary, he was bound to say,
thot he thought that goverment would not have acted
rightly Nit had not taken upon itself the claims of time
parties, and done its utmost to obtain the requisite redress;
but what he complained of was the informality of
the procedure. Hs found a letter dated the 30th
of November, 1849, addressed by the sable had
the Secretary f.r Foreign Affairs to the Lori of the
Admiralty, to Admiral Parker, end Mr. Wpe, he ebb*
these gentiemes were informed that the noble lira wee wen
model by the Queen to give the requisite isstreetions M be
desto Admairal Parker for placing kimaitis esothathes-
dem with Mr. Wyse on the subject of theme Athos, end that
if the requisite satidecion were not given, that thew, after
concert with Mr. Wyse, Sir W. Parker was to have rowans
to such seaman as he might think best -'salad
to obtsia the required satisfaction. It apparel own
this Icier, the only document which contained my
instructions epos the subject, that her Meissfy had
been advised to part with her usual powegetive
in favour of Admiral Parker, with no other resetielies thee
that he should swell Mr. Wyse in the tiniest IL This
prerogative weld only exentimed by he Majesty
rWi and the Privy Cowen. It might be wit theithess
were mere forms where her Majesty's nemmande Me de.
to d by the Secretary of State, or the Privy OVlrlat
the question wee, whether the constitutiowl ref
, former days wee to be adhered to or departed ,
whether it woo es be left to • saga men, the Semetery of
Stets for ForeignAffeirs, to plunge this country into war with
the ether powers of Beni* ; because before the esseest of
the Privy Cowell weld ,e given to the going earth
of the proolueslion, the privy council must have emembird
and commlied, whether or not all pacific mess had berm
exhaested ; whether the lung-satablished forme of notional
laterowne had berm Owned ; end whether the
ismirectione to the British Admiral had bees Ist
Unless war was &lewdly raging, no misfits, of state,
sot eves the Lord High Admiral himself, could au-
thorise a single set of violence. There was bat one authori'y
who could mastics that, her Miejery in cowed. These were
the wens provided by law for preventing a minister impru-
dently involving his aunty in a war with flaw powers.
When questions of this kind had come before the courts,
there had always bees the tome anxiety shown by the
/edges to see that the forms were Waned; to see that sol-
diers and scenes had not dose sets which might reader
them liable to be desk with as Wadies and pirates. The
penalty was not bens by the minister, who, having no
warrant., gave dieepley, bet by the unfortunate instruments.
Re had no heihmiles is saying that if Admiral Parker
returned to this emery, the Greek merchants whose goods
red chips hei bees mind 'Met instructions resolved from

W se*, mil lard, net warna by the re la mann sr
=lseder the minden mei. might newer heavy
e Whoa la vein Ow nemeses of a Miler eiss-,
lieentaseirring banal the last 10 or 110 yens. He frail
Mat laprepaid= as the ell ashen* of Mplantants hid
1.411114itt They
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et le
t 'l4 ettlgibiate ma.
ten ghe meat hen a reqsest eneastiZl
of Inee,
2reirlithr thi frest
is Wee imitenem
sea *lmplies's sot lay Oa Ls
ening the date el abs me es the dates was
datiiisdags_wie as ell as the EA of No-
mestrir. 1 , and Ira —41V11611111-11ea lona -O-
kayed: So Mead Ism, ISM, whoa
W Greek govennen metered in a Wheel Tye
ether stains wen ea aid es. 1011, sad 10 saw anima re.
"he' rorioUrniMat "lb' aft BROM dor rots duo
re-
M' let N. There was mmether dem 1040,
BM nee. melaitat tirkihree kfir years hatless the
het essmalmitien ea ear side:sad the last disekl on the
side of the Greek...end notnintraf *me. • Whist right had
aeybody to Pi SW die Greek gomenserat would be
M 4" 11,40eleilf• Ifni in WM, An
it Isni ben at 1.7 IMO Aim ISO, dialog which tne
it ata *ale Mee the WWII he of the noble lord,
but she his preinsmer ? WU nen *sir M Omsk to-
Tenant to deprive them is/ the old asestitadesal method.
He woult sorely add is eanalusin. his hole Ali in this
matter the ad ensiltutiestal spent if Fled would aot
be laid on*
Lord PALMERSTON had se implant to make of the
mann in whisk the hon. Oa Willa/ member had brass*
this strictly legal qamiisa huts the hose, halal en&
rated it entirely ben inpalmpol is panel Ammer, and
mated his *aim pnisetly legal sad ornaktiticeal
terms. He anti Pakeerners) bad bees advised by the legal
'dithers el the that se eider is email was
for •ffeethig Me Meat of dennima.=
pending far Nana near ipilieveaketennsede
that if it helms neereasey p • enspinener, and to ear
deaneall, esalimete, sad sell sash van* dreirair =
or rnig esprisah, as order in .smash vial
be to establish a ocemainen for the
Bat be Wd spa the advise take bei Idea gives roIS
bang himself 'mined that that adds, was send,
sessmed that to the perms of oddst lei detainee mesh
with a view to evened proeMlaet, It wee manna
that an War tress the dsgerinen remsgaible to
W soma should be seat to the -Admiralty
far no purpose of being nears trommitted
to the diner whose duty it was to Garry it late sescution.
He could memo the bee. sad teamed meaner that Ise was
Washes la suppenem that if these numm nand, as he
traded nay wiedde Wl* a satistastory result, sad that the
mesh should be relearml without the usessOty of
_ember
tioa or Gals the peens to whoa they beamed would
ham my iitiod ground of legal proesnieg is the
everts of law I. this wintry, simian the
anal amen employed. He (Lord Nimmons) was
advised, and he was emended of the soundoess of the
advice, that the diner would be hell harmless, by slowing
that he had sated as a anal sae is the emend*. of orders
be had received from semis& authority. It had been laid
down in the case of Catt. Damn, as a principle of NG-
stitatiosal law, that afters, whether naval or military,
were bond to obey orders, and that it was eel-
Scant for their eamilpatioN, to show either that
their acts had malted keel orders previously received
frets the crown, or were ratemnently approved of by the
depart eat having mann. of snelt matters.
HUMS wished to luso+ if there was any prospect of
these dill/mere being smiled ?
Lord PALM ERSTON said the last amounts be had re-
ceived from Grocer stated thee Baron Oros, who had been em-
ployed by the French government as the organ of Funk
good tans, was at Athens, and was employed in investiga.
dog the matters In dispute. No result bad as yet taken
plan ; indeed it was scarcely possible geeing the short. tine
that had elapsed that say di duet malt could have been
oome to, or any iolormatioa received.
no house then reeolved itself into commitue of supply,
Mr. Bernal la the chair.

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.
Colonel ANSON said it was cow his duty to bring ender
the winidoreties of the haw the estineatos tor the service of
the evanesce aseartment for the present year. He promised
to eseaprees hie observations late the smiled pantile cos-
pus, but he hoped for as ladalgence commensurate with
the importance of the subject. Oa former occasions
similar to the Feint it had been made the subject
of comoleint that ft is stateliest' in the 'etiolates were
so vague, and incongruous items were iso mixed up together
that it was impossible for members so to frame their ques-
tions as to obtain anything like swiefutory istormation. He
was happy to my that stash ground of complaint no longer
existed. The estimates had been submitted to a select corn-
; ulnae of the Ague, which otwasaittee bad published an all-
and voluminous report, end how memben who should have
the courage to dive into that report would pin information
sufficient to nable them so to frame their questioas so to elicit
full and satisfactory "sewers. The house would remember
the ciraunstanese under whisk that annuities was ap-
pointed in 1848. A reverse had some over the affairs of this
wintry. We had fable from a Mate of very high prosperity
to one of considerable depreseion; the natiosal expenditure
had larply 'screamed, and its finsacisl renottress had as
greatly diminished. Retrenchment then became abooletely
neelesaty, and the "osmium woo appointed to inquire
whore and how it could be effected. He felt that
under all the ciranastanees, governmeat had been justified
is cowmang to the appintmeat of that committee, which
was most closely and laWriosaly Weeded by all the mem-
ben. The result was now Wore the bowie. sad with re-
krento to the umenniendations of the ariamittee as Om

affected the ordnance, it was his intention to refer particu-
larly sad specially to them fa cease:ion with each separate
head as he brined it fer word. The whole moult required
for the service of the ordnance department for the
year 1860 was Z 434,4171., sad foe the year 1849 had
been 2,632,6011., showing a diminution In the present year
of 196,1841., but the fairer way would be to compare it
with the year 1848, when the estimates wen 2,992,1431.,
been in excess over the invent year 637,7761. lie thought
also that the house should be reminded of the mother in
which the estimates had been ineressieg slope 1844, the
amount of increue for four years ending in 1848, being no
leas than 990,1871. in the annual amount. This would seem
a formidable amount, but the blame did not lie wholly
either with the lets or the present government,
but must be participated la by the house, whose
members had been coestaetly collies epee the
executive to strengthen the defenses of the wintry.
Not only naval sad military men, but independent members
of parliament, had been coestantly calling on the govern.
ment to increase the form—to strengthen the dockyards
and seaports; and it was easspliance with those requisitions
that bad so much inersesed the estimates during the lent
four years. lie was happy, however, to say that many of
the °blotto then contemplated had been accomp.ished,
and would no longer contribute to swell the esti-
mates. There had been an increase of 4,200 men,
one battalion to the engineers, end 48 officers, and
910 men in the sappers sad minas, making altogether an
increase since 1845 of sheet 6,000 men. He would
proceed to notice the resommendatioas of the committee
with reference to their separate heads. The Sect neon.
standation was with respect to the division of the service,
and that renteisamed sties tea gnat extent had been attended
to. The been woad awl that the services described under
votes 4,6, and 7 had been separated as regarded at home and
abned. In the first vote, that foe the ordnance military
corps, it was resommeaded by the 00•116 atom that for the future
the number of m en should be voted, and therefore he proposed
to place a 70.01.1111011 in the hands of the chairman stating
the number of men, the same as in the navy. The unmet
of the ant ve.te for the pay of the oedema military carps,
allowances sad eselingintiek would be: Oaken and men,
14,669; am out In mousy, 712,7651., being an incrow, as
ensnared with lest year, of 8601., and of 446 In men. But
in that ate ether were included 416 mappers and minims, who
wen employed and paid on the Gunn, but being on
the stria gth of the corps, he thought they Would appear in
the emernats. There was • farther addition to the number
of 31 and 20 second lieutenants had also been added to the
estabilehment. Seven had been added to the horse
MWery, five to the field department, and two in the
meth al department. Tits committee had recommended
that there should be no inerease in the ordnance without
the sanction of government. Here was •slight increase, bet
for the future the noomosendation of the committee would be
adhered to. A diminution would be found ander the head el
nernifift, and an increase under that of ellewszose ; bet
that sreraaallted from an alteration In anengentens. The
whole result of the altention he had mentioned was an
laciness is the vote of 8601., as compared with the vote of
hat year. The next recommended= of the Potentiate was
that the medical department of the ordnance should be 0311*
adidatell via that of the army, by which • saving would be
Amsted is the absiltion of the office of InspesterHeneral.
This had been doss to a aerials eaten; the edam
of impector-geetral had been abolished, end the dna:Meat
wee new es as reduced a sale as the • ealgessim of the
service weed admit of. With respect to the senora
question of ansalisenatioe, many stress elioniess bad bees
urged, but the question was seder the ansideratlea of the
at War, and when that hoedown had teemed
asepiaera,. he would no doubt isseive every assistant*
sad sempentlea from the noble land who presided over
the ordain*
aVr The next recommendation
referred to the of the sappers In colonial surveys
which point wasmew geadderatiaa. The last neon-
mends% on was that shoat be made to the tree.
eery, previous to the els WI% Mid* was else wader
cessideration. The vete ter esmesheedet apply, Maladies
great coats for the army, as., was 273,111171., that of last year
being 601,6602, and showing • of 27.8131. This
diminution arose principally In the of tongs, which
had coat 16,0001. less than hot year. was • diminu-
tion of 6,4621. in barrack supplies, and she • diminution in
the article of great crate, bat W whole reductioo was as he
had stated. With reepeet to this Wit• the committee *Mooted
to the mob el supplying the mewin Inland, but ao alters
Vim bed bee. made, ear did he Hudak it would be expedient.
The moserarte this was, that lugs reductions had been made
hs the eitaVklismat of the ecemnimarlat, and, besides that,
eta Issettea of the essmhearlat was to be brought under
the oloiderages of the trommittee at present sitting en
rate end erall•NO eaalre. The nut vote was fee the
'aeries et the GOMM SO tbo Tower sad Pall-mall. Last
year the ma salmi der Imam WI bead was 86,9004 ; now it
was 86,9611., ebowfvet en hostswe Of 1,0611. He regretted
that this lememe l'oct mien, but be thought he should be
eble to satiety the b nee that It bad not been Wearied with-
did Pare Mud navies_ lowa gold to moacoty. The c ad-
fleek_f•lOMMWA, foe 1648 he this department, had bees
WOK I. fer Cs moat year it nes 86,9611., showing • &-
Imam*, as emspared with 1110, ef WU. The Mamma et**
estimate ever lest year was eseedesed by an outlay in the
eareelevonenre AN end else Mee CAW A et.

a bet then; we..
f
le it, sad there win._ it the wet la
Ilrequired thee fpg eameidingin. Stiff, theisizemmeadel
N. bad ben sidled NFU as a pme peel
doable. The stese.hettse eammias's elan bed boon fen
arwednd the etereekeepre wen an plain seder the is.
please existed at Woolerielt. linen resonmeendeties falba
Amennittee Mg internee to the dies of the 8
pad kite be wee keep, to say that as
two silielibed bees anted, hem widde the
key adee, se for as the mode of neglecting
wee eese, were likely to he nand. With neon .lil
the mean of keens the atoroasemaate, the segnl>lle.
conned thanks going!' wee impagen an nen
mended is erbersinge. The next Mlle
eemmellmee bed niseseei to the learnt of , 1r54dt.124
b.ea.du le the knee mean, bet, es the dacha leareeene
and se Nene wen throws ea **department 1$
ores then** intesemp anew that warren. 8811 it bad
ben bpi nide - awn from 1828 to the present Um*,
The men renneniaties. bed referent to the divine of
the wn
ben admen diem n the To and Pell nil, tbe
oommittes nog of *akea that the t system eon
aimed a gnat lees of time to the sad esesiderable
disedvantep to the FOAL T:iieeleseema andel le, ow alt.-
ratios la accordant with the having ben effected.
He thought the lest renew et the eommittee—that
in which they left (either altagenee to be made by the
Fent woe dictated by alit of sound wisdom.
r.) The next Tote might appear rather lap, but
mast be recollsotod that it took a midi range, and
@Manual the establishments of the Milted Kingdom and
the 'denim It 'messiest from page 17 to pigs 45; and,
when the weber of oar establishments wee considered, be
did not think it meld be looked spa me a wry
% vars.
was For the you r
1860.611840-6. the eam of
remind ; foo, it hod been
316,11471.; showing animation is Shipment year of 11,6471.
The einueltne had made various reseramendations
wick Moreno toe reduction of the anent of artificers in
the Canna. and elsewhere, end alter can consideration,
Si.. of these recommendations had bone effected. Is
the ordnance department, for humus* one establish-
ment had bees materially reduced. Tires stations hod
bon radioed is Canada. There had been also
some alterations made .in the atorekoepen and deputy
storekeepers, oven of the deputy storekeepers having been
reduced in the course of the year, The number of establish.
meets, too, bed been ranee' is the following miner—in
the year 1828 there were 98 establishments; in the year
1849, 92 ; and in the year 1840. 88. The number of barrack-
tauten
_and barrack establishments had also undergone

some reduction, and Hien were en anises other torrid.
which would be gives up in the cones of the ensuing year.
(Heir.) The next vote was for wages. La the present
year 129,0001. was required for this purpose; in the bud
year the vote was 141,0001., showing a diminution now of
upwards of 12,0001. Compared with the vote of 1848, the
reduction now was 29,6461. The committee had recom-
nseni.ed that the number of artificers at Woolwich should be
fixed according to the wants of the service in times of peace.
(Hear, heir.) This recommendation had been attended to:
sad no increase would be made without the proper sane.
the. The next vote was OM of wry great importance. It
was a vote for ordnance stores for land and sea intakes. The
amount proposed was 211,6311. ; last year it was 223,4181. ;
showing a decresee of 11,7871. In the year 1848.9 st was
602,4861. ; therefore there was a diminution now, se sees-
pared with 1848, of 290,9641. The committee bad man
mended that the quantity of Mores to be kept on hand should
be ad .ptsd more to the service in times of peace, and every
exertion had been made to enable the definite proportions
to be required for future service to be arrived at. In
August instructions had been sent to every establishment
at home and abroad to send immediate returns of the state
of their stores, distinguishing those serviceable and unser-
viceable, and from the home stations then returns had been
obtaiced. The manner in which these stores would be
dimmed of would hereafter form the subject matter of con.
eideration, because there was very little doubt that useless
and obsolete stores were in many eases on head. The next vote
to which he had to call attention was the vote for works,
buildings, and repairs at home and abroad This was a very
important vote, and one on which hon. members were apt to
form an opinion, perhaps, without giving it that deep con-
sideration which he thought it required. The amount asked
for this year for repairs, building., and fortifications was
440,0001 Last year it was 4864721., aid in
the year 1848, the sum demanded was 617,4821.
This estimate had been most carefully considered by
the Master-General and by her Majesty's government. The
hone would see hew small • sum was now asked for new
works and fortifications either at home or abroad. But these
reduction; were in consequence of a larger amount having
been expended in previous years. It was needless for him
to point out the very low state, the state of decradation in
which their works of define bad been in the last few years
They were totally inadequate for the protection of our
none from aggression. This was so especially in the
year 1846, and frequent complaints were made to govern-
ment that they bad not sufficiently provided in this respect.
He had looked carefully through the works in our reneges
nonillions, and also at home, end he did not think that
the expenditure had been ill-advised. With regard to the
works at Corfu and the lonian Islands, a small sum had
been taken for the works at Corfu this year. The only
sum asked for was for the completion of the bomb-proof
barracks within the citadel. With respect to the
works at the Mauritius, that subject also had
been well considered, and they were waiting till
fresh plans should be sent over from that island, and also •
report from the governor and the engineer as to the 'mustily
for the works. This year the only sum asked for was for the
completion of the works at Psrt Louis. Another recommen-
dation of the committee was with respect to Bermuda. The
committee stated that there was a conflict of opinion, and
they recommended that before another vote was asked on
account of the proposed outlay of 60,0001. the goverem-nt
should reconsider the necessity of this expenditure, and de-
ntine the plan to be adopted. In the course of the works
losproventen's were made, and this was one of the conse
queens of spreading the expenditure over a merles of years,
bat he thought it desirable, and the government had cone
to the conclusion that what was required at Bermuda should
be reconsidered. The oily vote that was asked for was for
the completion of the naval storehouse in that island.
3,0001. was asked for that this year. The next vote to which
be should call attention was for what was called the shim-
tifie branch, and in this there was an increase of 3,9441.
Lauyear the sum demanded was 94,8691. This increase
arose from a large amount beteg required for the
survey. Of late years they bad taken 60,0001 an-
nually for the survey. The committee in their report
recommended that the survey of the large towns should
be accomplished as qullly as possible ' • and us • large por-
tion of the survey was prepared, and they had not force
enough to go on with the engraving, it had been submitted
to the government whether 6,0001. might not be taken this
year to accelerate the engravings of large tuns. The
large towns were surveyed on • scale of five feet to the mile,
and, if they could have the surveys engraved, they would he
valuable for such sanitary and other improvements as might
be brought forward. 2,0001. was also taken for the comple-
tion of the publication of the trigonometrical survey 01 Oreat
Britain and Ireland. Altogether that would be an increase of
7,0001. on the am wit for the survey last year. He wished
to mention also that strong mprematatiots bed come from

Edinburgh, that the survei orthat country should he rro-
oseded with before that of other parts of Scotland, and
that would be done. The remainder of the vote was for
the Royal Academy established at Canbalton, and for the
establishment at Chatham also there war a small increase.
The next vote was for the non-effective service, in whi-h
there wee an inereau of 6,8771, the sum re-
quired • being 177,6061, against 171,6294 demanded
last year. All these charges were in accordance,
with the regulations of the service, and might be termed
fixed charge. He had now gone through the various items,
and he asked the house to give its assent to then, not be-
cause there was a decrease of 198,0001, but because they
had received the serious attention of government, and be-
cause they had been framed solely with the view of having
an Aetna weeks The hon. and gallant colonel concluded
by moving that a Dumber, not exceeding 14,660 men,
including nen-ceeamimioned officon, be allowed for the see
I ides of the ordains* department in the ensuing year.
Mr. HUME said the house perhaps might not be aware
that this department was called upon by two see-
vlees—the pray and the navy—to provide certain
stores, and they provided those stores not on
their own judgment, but to a certain extent they
wen mere executive officers. He considered that
the respemaditi was with the government, because on the
timinint of dte nay and the navy depended the amount of
NOM Ilia lon was merely 'Romney, and as the house
bad dateemined M newt the military eetablishineets at the
peemt rate, t 4 Mei net refuse the supplies, though they
might Mir as *the weds la which the supplies should he
mated swi as he the mina sad the amount of stores. The
gallant ellen had stand the reduction which had taken
place la the last two loam, but he (Kr. Rune) did
not know why that rcifto‘esid not have been made ere
years before. He elewld say that they were in a worve
pcoitlen to make lideelleee this year than they were live
years ego—if they wen to adopt the doctrine of governs', at,
that they were to have is time of peen a war establishment
—a domino that he had always contended against. In
time of peace they were keeping up a war establistmont, as
it was eaW, hat more than was kept up in time of war.
In the yen 1792 the number of men v3ted for the ordnance
was 4,986; they were now going to vote 14,000. In the
year 1820 they appointed a finance committee, and in that
year the unsebn was 8,32 W The exper.ues had increased la
1828 it was 471,000 J,
the come ratio. In 1791 the whole impooto was 167,00 W 111
...a now it v: as 711,0004 In the whole
French war they had never non than 10 battalions ; hut
there wee an iccrhan last 70,4, for what rearm no one knee
inept it was to make more eillsen, and they had now 12
battalions. It was foe the Gauntry to decide, mad no doubt
the country would disable before long, what was the proper
amens% to be allowed foe these establishments. What did
the banana departnatal lay before the committee? They
said they had to provide stone for 186,891 mw. Whet me
timit7_waa thus for keeping the fern? It was a easeasm
Ora Inullanell. Daring the lest thirty lean they had beta

puomete elillsatioa, sad
dim bees beentsiag
now say raved= to
bemuse ft was melees. Bit
web, of the naaiber bs
freed 111101). He hidso ob.
aired, if they redeeed the f.-
ma Is arias Wiest of
*Howls. for oar esiesise;
Wombs were plan my
Weeps tiny woad pay Ihr
that gevefaseaut algid
tha roma vet lee
dbwowet with hwirei. of
au. ow totem, sod them wild at
Md soli be did sot objet to an
_ irike pibile, he
V the 0,4111118110 without de-

TM roes eiseiblitAimM—
Th• ma of MAR wh Wag Is lumpish the as of
747561., foe pay, allirrobses Mad settingearies tor 14.1111
slam, sea conunheismed diem and men.
Elie ram of 173.8371. tapir the am of 273,8371. for
cemeibeeleat and barrack be proposed,
Bk
_NUMB seueoleined • the engem& of them beast
madeliehmente. Vats agreed du.
Tie eta of 66,981 L to ammishe the Tom for the earls
mid imellogeselso of the ordnemes 'llse wee, Mimi a mom&
11
lir. Hams add Od. Ann somp a •Mkg ism 155;_ealatti. PIMA complete the vats
toe at bows and abroad.
Mr. COBDEN said we had upwards it 110 Mane-
meats where oedemas Mores ware kept, then being is emit
otorekeapen,deputy storekeepers, and all thesessemes sleuth
astabliahments ; that was oaf et the potato M whisk dis at-
tention of the committee had born di:lOK sad le
trappestd that a conelderald• sedation wadi hare been
nude. The boa. and gallant gentleman laid that a reduc-
tion had been made to the =tont of fear. He observed that
Harwich was still Maimed. Now, he thought that eight
others might bar reasonably dispensed with, ransidvring the
nay mesas of supplying motes to the United Kingdom.
He thought the hoe. gentleman had not carried out the
wiith of tla committee by merely reducing four establish-
ments.

Colonel ANSON did not mean to my that that completed
the reductions. Oa the contrary, further reductions were in
oontemplation.
Col. CHATTERTON complained that the charges for re-
pairing small damages done by the soldiers were most unjust.
Another complaint was the bed quality of the glom, which
was bought at the lowest possible price. These charges were
molt abominable and iniquitous.
Colonel ANSON said the language of the hon. and gallant
gentleman was rather strong ; bat the feet wag, he spoke
krofessionelly, as hav:ng the command of a regiment, and
nowing that Mess charges were frequently made. But the
House of Commons mast remember that the public needed
some protection.
Colonel CHATTERTON also complained of the charge
for washing sheets, and said that the soap wag very much
overcharged._

Mr. HUMH asked if arrangements were in progress for
malting the colonies pay the expenses of their own banacks.
He would withdraw all the troops from the garrisons unless
they would maintain them, and also defray the cost of the
barracks.

Colossi ANSON said memenres had been taken in Aug.
trails for imposiag the charge of the barrack., dto., on the
colony ; and in sax months from that time, after the lit of
October, the expense would fall on the colones. He was
anderstood to add that something of the kind was contem-
plated with regard to other colonies.
Mr. HUME said that all the colonies at least which were
to enjoy self government en,ght to pay the expense of their
own police, which the troops were in effect.
Mr. COBDEN called attention to the following passage in
the report of last year's oemmittee on the ordnance esti.
mates: —" The large and increasing amount required for
barrack accommodation is the colonies induced your cow
mitten to request Earl Grey, the Secretary of State for the
Colonies, to afford some information as to the practicability
of any future redaction under this head. His lordship
stated that, in his opinion, the colonies ought to contribute
more than they have done to the expense of lodging the
troops, and since he had bean in office he had lost sight
of the importance of gredually obtaining from the colonies
contributions towards defraying this expenditure; with this
view he had now proposed that in Australia the whole
charge of the barracks should be transferred to the colony."
This had been done, it appeared, in Australia. He whined
to know whether Lord Grey's attention had been directed
to the same subject in the other color its ?

Col. ANSON said, as Lord Grey ►Loa stated it to be his
intention to do so, no doubt It would be carried out.
The vote was then agreed to.
Ths neat item was 79,0031., wages of artificer and la-
bourers at bonze and abroad.

Mr. HUME said this was in addition to the charge for
officers in another Item, and the two would arauunt to •
very large sum. In 1828, the principle was laid down that
no article of manufacture which could be supplied be con-
tract ought to be manufactured by the government. That
rule bad been adhered to for a considerable time, but he
leered it was sow deviated from.

Colonel ANSON said it had not been devia•ed from in
any respect. All the articles now made at Woolwich were
such as the contractors could not eupi ly in sufficient perfec.
tion ; bes-des, on the whole, the expense of manufacturing
these articles was not greater than that of obtaining them by
cowrie:. They knew perfectly well that gun-carriages
could not be supplied in that way. They wer► not to be
depended on. The cam was the same with brass guns.
Mr. COBDEN• said he had paid particular attention to
that point in the committee last session, and he was con.
vinced that the parties examined could give no very clear
idea of what was the cut of the articles manufactured. For
instance, in the manufactory of gunpowder, they kept a
large stock of ealtpetre and of sulphur, enough for 20 or 30
years' consumption ; they had • large establishment of
Meeting machinery, a number of d aelling.houses for the
superintendents cad cottages for the workpeople • but all
that capital was put down as nothing. (Hear, hear.)
Cal. ANSON said that • large portion of the gunpowder
was supplied by contract every year. A great deal of evi-
dence bad been taken on the subject of the brass guns ; and
he was inclined to think that this was not an article which
t►er could depend on being supplied by the manufacturers.
They were made of a mixture of metal, which if not properly
put together, and properly amalgam►ted, might lead to fatal
results. By manufacturing them themselves they were sa-
tisfied that the best metal was used, and that the article
would be durable.

Col. CHATTERTON called attention to the vote of
74,0001 for coals and mettles, while a halfpenny per day
etch only was all mod to the soldiers (or these articles. He
wished to know whethir any arrangement was to be made
to the accommodation of soldiers• wives in barracks.

Mr. 7111AULE. in answer to the i;tt;74;e7tion, said
than. instructions had been given to allow mamed soldiers,
with the consent of their officers, to live out of barracks with
their wives, a certain sum being allo ved them per week )7
lodgings.
Tn. vote was then agreed to.

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On the next vote-111,6311. for the expe4se of ordnas,.e
stores for the land and pea service,
Mr. HUME asked why so large a sum was proposed?
Col. ANSON was understood to say that this sum was
now necessary in order to bring the stores up to the required
complemer.t.
Mr. lIUME hoped a large store of small arm% would not
be laid up, when perhaps an improved musket might render
them useless next rear.
Col. ANSON said this country was liable to that expense
in common with all others. It was possible percuseisn acme
might be superseded by some others, and then a fresh ex-
pense would necessarily be incurred; but the attention o:
the department would he given to the matter.
In sn•wer to a further question from Mr. Hume,
Colon,l ANSON said it was proposed to raise the store of
saltpetre to 3,500 tone.
Mr. HIJME said as long as India remained to us, we
could have saltpetre at any time in the course of six weeks.
He protested, therefore, against the waste of keeping in
hen 1 a stock sufficient for a number of years.
Colonel ANSON thought the proposed stock would suffice
for about five years. If the government had to purchase
largely on an emergency, the price would be doubled to
them. _ _

Mr. HUME contended that more wao lost by keepin
such large stocks lying idle. At one time a contract had
bees entered Into for 24,000 iron guns, must of which, he
believed, were useless.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was—

290,0641., the expend of works buildings, and repairs to
be executed in the course of the year.
Mr. HUILE pat a question about en item of 33,0004 for
the barranks at Halifax, in Nova Scotia.
Col. ANSON said this was the case of a tonnes main.
tallied for oar own defence and convenience, and the expense
cAtld net properly be thrown on the colonies.
Agreed to.
78,801, expense of scientific works.
Mr. WYLD asked why audit was not given in this item
for the awns received from the City of London towards de
east of the ordnance survey.
Col. ANSON rather thought the money bad not vet been
received by the department. No drubs the correct course
would be to give credit for it in the way the hon. gentleman
sagrested.
Mr. E. DENISON called attention to the fact that the
estimate for the survey of a portion of Ireland had been
30,0004, while the arrival eost had been 120.000!. The
minute for the survey it Ireland was 300,0001, ; but
OD a more careful examination the house would find the ex-
penes had indented to 768,0001., whilst it was sought at
present to add an additional 120,0001. for gintouring. He
regretted the committee had not been given more time to go
into this question, 1111 the survey after all, when completed,
would be more useful to the large and i•fluential towns than
in marking out the general features of the (*wary. Now,
unless the government had very strong relearns to urge on
ih• pnier, he (Mr. Denison) would invite the house to a re-
eonaideratiOn of the Mistier, and likewise advise them not to
amour is se expensive a project.
Cabinet ANSON said the map of Ireland was completed
on the print:elide of the town-land survey, and was at present
being revieed on the field survey. Ilia sketching was the
way in which heretofore altitudes were shown; but that
style was supereeded by the oostowing, which was measure
effective, and attended with very little more exponee.
Therefore, he thought 120,0001. employed is that way west'
be most asefally expended.
Sir L. o.Bautri could bear testimony to the superior
Immner In *hick surveys and maps had been executed in
Ireland sines (Widowing was substituted for hill sketching.
Ann •081.• eenverati•nt, the vote was agreed to.
Tree srit vote of 137,6361., which, with the sum of
40s .s previously voted as soma% anousted to 177,6364,,

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