The Express.
London, England, 1850-04-13 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY- EVENING, APRIL 13, 1850. •

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After a few wage Rua Lords MoirmaciLl and LTITIL-
TON, the bill was rend a third time, and passed.
THE WATERFORD, WEXFORD, AND WICKLOW
RAILWAY.—CABII OF MR. NASH.
Upon the notion of Barl OuNTU.t.a Mr. Nub, the
secretary to theWaterford, Wezford, and Wicklow Railway,
who was accused of having made an unauthorised return to
the house, was ordered to be called to the bar, for the pur-
pose of being reprimanded and discharged.
Mr. Nash, oa appearing at the bar, made some remarks,
and referred to several documents, with the view of defend-
ing his conduct in the transaction.
The SPEAKER (Lord Campbell) then addressed him as
follows: Charles De Lmr Nash, the mboondau by which
you have met the disOeseere of this house is for having
made a return which you were not required to make, and for
having made it without the authority of the railway company
of whieb you professed to be secretary. The house finds that
you wefts not 'dotted by any fraudulent or malicious mo-
th ism ee, but at the, time the louse has reason to be greatly
dissatisfied, breams the return was made in a inmost calcu-
lated to 'stand, and might have been prejudicial to the
railway company. The hones has ordered you to hi repri-
manded and discharged irons any further atkndanas, and
you are reprimanded aeocrdiogly.
Mr. Nash then withdrew.
Their lordships adjourned at half-past 8 o'clock.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, APRIL 12.
The Sractits took the chair sheath talon 4 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Taxes ON KNOWLIDOI.—By Colonel DUNNE, from
the Eirges County ; Mr. BADLEIR, from tho proprietors
of the Carlow Swaim! ; Mr. HUME, from the Printers'
Aroeiatices, Arbroath ; for the abolition of these taxes.
CRUICK Raxits.—By Mr. COBDEN, from the ottoman-
,ion of Festicio, county Merit:meth ; Mr. PETO, trout
Essex; Lord DUNCAN, from Ashton.under Lyn* ; Lord
U. VANE, from Durham, against church rates.
AGRICULTURAL Dismiss —By Major C. BRUCE, from
&let shire ; Mr. 0 DUNCOMBE, nom Yorkshire, prayiLg
fir the restoration of protection to sericulture.
FACTOSIIII BILL.—By Mr. BANKES (7), from Luna-
shire, in favour of this bill.
LABOUR IN Fecrosins.—By Mr. COBDEN (9), from
mill operatives in Holmfirth,Yorkshire ; and from mill opera.
tiers of Milibtidge, neer Leeds, for an Eleven Hours 8.11.
MALT TAN —By Mr. COMPTON, from Thrill:led. in
(avow of the abolition of the tax ; and by Mr. BRO l HER.
TON, from a place not beard, in favour of its continuation.

rout am the ambled, sad whim I latiodneed • bill, pro-
posing bin 8,0051. a year ea the NWT of the Chid Judd,
It was said that it wieldier that the algid Oka
minima, of the whole epessikm, assiniad Is leave
eat part of the bill, namely, the *tele vassa the l
the
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retired allot/ammo allottoil to the Judges, I iellt
that if the Wastes of the Child Jas of the Court of '
Queen's Beach, and of the Chief Indies of the Court of
Common Pins were to be reduced, it should be considered
whether say of the others salaries sad say of the retired
allemande were meltable of reduction. (Hear, hoer.)
The last part of the ladies which I have to pro-
pose, Made to the diplomatic establishment of the
country. The expanses of those establiahmeats were
formerly defrayed out of the civil list; but in the separation
that was mace on the demise of the crown in 1830,
of the expenses which mars putidearly belonged to'
the sovereign and the sovereign's household from those which
wore of a different nature, the diplomatic establishments
we re placed upon the consolidated fund, and • sun was allotted
for the general purpose of defraying the @sidles. Now, ht pro-
posing that there should be a committee open this subject, I
propose that this) matter should be inquired into—l pro-
pod that any evidence which may be thought necessary
should be taken, in order that the reasons for keeping up
orretaining salaries or establialtwate might be given ;
and, on the other hand., that U any reduction is to he
made, it may be effected in eontormity with the views of
the committee. One member of the government, at least,
should, I think, be appointed to sit on that committee, is
order that he may be able to state, with regard to different
salaries, reasons for proposing either to retain, to seduce, or to
abolish them. Sir, I should not think it necessary to co fir.
ther than this proposal, seeing that it is in conformity with
precedent, and seeing that I think the hoes generally
would conceive it to be useful, which it is apparent was the
sense of the house when I first gave • notice upon this sub.
tt—I should not think it neesesary, I say, to go further,
ad not an hoe. gentleman opposite—the hen. member for
Buckinghamshire (Mr. Disraeli) intimated his intention
to move an emtndment. At the same time, I
observe in the list of notices that, on Teasley, the 23rd
of April, that hon. member means " To call the attention of
the hods to the diphmatie and consular et rvices, with &view
"'their more ecenomicel and officinal performenee ;" and I see
likewise, that on Tuesday the 30th of April, Mc. Henley is to
propcse t' A general revision of all salaries, with a view to
redaction." Now this shows, la the first place, that those
two hon members think, that with regard to the diplomatic
salaries, there is room for revision and inquiry, and like wise
that the question of 'elates ought to be considered by the
house. The question it, therefore, I think, whether they
bays proposed a convenient mode of instituting an inquiry,
and whs. her they have t ken • proper view of the mode in
which, for the present at least, I propose to limit the in-
quiry. Now, with regard to the first of these point" the hon.
member for Buckinghamehlre states in his amendment,
1 that it is the duty of the government forthwith to
! Introduce the measures that may be nee nay for effecting
every reduction in the national establithments consistent
with the efficient dischorge of the public service. This seems
to imply, although it certainly does not directly assert, that
the govt foment hays not b. en taking those matures which
they conceive to be news' .ry for every reduction in the ten
Vocal establishments consistent with the due discharge of the
public sarioe. (Hear, heard I have stated the lemons
why I propose that the salseits of persons holding office at
the pleasure of the crown should be inquired into by this
committee; but I do not mean at all to deny the responsi-
bility of making every possible reduction consi•teet with the
efficiency of the public service, which attaches to the govern
ment itself; and if the hon. meth men wbi give met it atten-
tion fur a few minutes, I void show lim that there has not
been any want of attention to the subject. In the first plat
I will refer to the military estimates. In eastern ity first
with meatures which the government itself thought right,
next with the views of a 'elect committee from tine to time,
and lastly in cinforatiny wit pubic cpioioa upon
this subject, very large reduction+, indeed, have
been made in the entree of tho last two years from the mai-
tastes proposed previously. Tee amount of the reductions
in the army from the estimates—l am not now *peaking of
the actual diminutioe—is 501.00 W , in the navy 2,102,0001.,
in the ordnance 650,0001.; makhg a total reduction, as Cll3l.
pared with the estimates of 1849, of 3,281,0091. Now, that
is certainly not the actual reduction, but if you were to take
the actual reduction a• upwards of 2,090,9001.—end at leas
than that amount, it cannot, I think, be stated—it cots shoe
that considerable pains have been taken to reduce the min-
easy mai naval expenses of the country. (Hear, hear.)
New, sir, with regard to the civil es:mates, it certainly
appears to us that as nevem" the doted.' of the public service
• government has far better means of eel me • reduction in
the different establishments than any committee of this
house could have ; and I think this is proved by what has tak n
pl me with regard to the inquiries which we have instituted
of late years into the T y, the Home-Ala, and various
other office'. So farm appears on tte general eurtace,it ceeaot
be said lb it there was a v- ry extravagant number of per-
eons e mployed in the several offices, or that the salaries
paid wers exorbitant. But yet, by a minute examination,
made ty Mil, ial persons, into the duties performed, it has
been found possible to make very considerable reductions in
the offices which I have mentioned, and in valises other
r fli ,a. I will mention a few of the instances in which re
ductions hove been made. la the Treasury, two chief
elerkships, one senior clerkship, and four juni .r clerkship*
nave b, en abolished ; ant, including ena eller reductions,
'bore ht" been • net saving of 5,3151. In the ,flits of the
i'ey mad er-General,the Audit-. ffice,snd the it OM. office there
has been effected a saving of upwards of 23,0001. a year;
end, at the same time, by putting some of the clerks who
hail lens duty into parts of the office white the duty is ye ry
heavy, the complete . ffiolency of the sire cc has been Main.
eased ; and, to far at least se thew officsa ars concerned,
there has been no want ct et:caret to the gene raj buskins of
the country. 1 he reductions which have been made in the
Treasury in the last thirty years have keen very con-
siderahne I have mentioned the redue ions which have
been effected in the last two years. But I find tit et in 1827
there were 18 persons holding office in the Treasury, and se.
cetivino 42,9001. ter annum. In 1860 the same duties RN
performed by '29 canons, who received 24,6801., being a re-
ductless of nine persons and of 42 per c rec. on the entire
amount of the salaries. It thus appears that the duties at
the Treasury in this country are performed Ity 29 persons,
receiving salaries 'mooning in the whole to less than
'25,0001. I own it appnars to In, that, eemidering the muli.
Meilen duties of the Treasury, considering the various re-
ports which they have to consider, and the importance of the
decision' which they have to pronounce, I do not believe
titers can be shown in any eethary, either of Beretta or of
America, an example of duties being so well per ormed at so
+mill a mot to the public. (hear.) Awl, sir, in saying this
1 enact but notice fora moment the comments which are
male from Hari to time on the ; erformeess of their duties
by the pubic officers of this country-1 mean those who hold
permanent situatio s. (Hear.) Of late, especislly, it has
been said by a vire clover but a very whimsical writer in
this country that the public offices of U it country form
an Aegean 'P.M', which requires a Hercules to cleanse it.
(Laughter.) Now, my belief it, that never were public I
duties performed more x alously, more efficiectly, witn more
intelligence, or at a smaller emit to the state, than those
which are performed by the holders of public offices in this
country. in the Colonial-ollice there has very lately
been an inquiry. The result has been submitted to my'
noble triend at the head i f that deportment, and he is of '
opinion that the proposals made will mmbine efficiency
with economy. The Foreign-talc., and the other offices, are
from time to time subjected to similar reductions. Bat
othe r reductions have been made 0 late years: for example,
in the custenes, and in what wen formerly the department et
the Heise and Stamps. I will state to the house calumny
what hasbeen done ; but 1 cannot go into the details of each
office. The reductions which hate been carried into
effect in the customs department, from the Ist of '
January, 1849, down to the present time, corm rehetd a !
reduction of one commissionenhip at 1,290/. a year, • pro-
speedy, reduction of the next vacant commissienership
i, • !
eating of a surveyorgeneral, an inspector-general, an n-
,
speetar-general of tho coast pearl, an seeishot solicitor both '
in Dublin and in Edinburgh, and a romietien in the sal try '
of the solicitor and in that of the militant s dicker. Toe
reduriou under them beads alone is 5,10d1. Various other
reductions have bean marls as the result of inquiries which
have been carried on officially at the Customhouse,
amounting altogether to no lees than 64,7911 a yr sr. It is
intended that there should be a reduction of 28 chile' in the
long room, by which there will be effected a saving of
6,9151. Therefore, with regard to that department at least,
tot re has not Men any negligence in carrying into effect reduc-
tions. The excise and stamp" formerly comprised, with other
boards of inland remoue, a very large estebliehment of com-
missioners; and them who keew anything of utlicialpetrunage
must be aware that the office of commissioner of revenue is
not the least sought after by those who wish to enter into the
public service, without having gone through the loner ranks
of that service. In 1792 the various boards connected with
inland us consisted of 38 cemmiuitinen. The present
beard consists of a catirman, a deputy chairman, and six
junior COSllll3iPlOrittl, and tie saving which bas been
effected in the salaries of COMl2lllll.4lere and salaries
alone is upwards of 36,090/. a year. The rceluctien
which has been made within the last two years
is lacewing very considerable. When the officers of
the excise and the stamp; anti taxes consisted
of two separate boards, there were twelve commissioner,
two chairmen, two deputy chairmen, and eight junior cam-
missimen ; end the united salaries of that dilates amounted
to 17,1004. a year. The consolidated board waists of one
chairman, one deputy chairman, and six junior commis-
simen who ore, on the occurrence of eh* fiat vacancy, to be
reduced to five. The salaries of the reduced establishment
Recount to 11,6001. a year, showing a saving of 6,6001. per
annum in those hosed alone. But then the mime in the
boor I is, in point of moue y, but a small part of the reduction
which has actually bet n mode. The er nielidation has led to
a much larger reduction. There has been • r. duetioo of a
secretary at 1,5001. a year, a Eoliei or at 2,0001. a yo tr, a
receiver general at 12(1(4. a year, • comptrullerheneral at
1,0001. a year. The whole saving effr eted up to the present
limo, including the principal officers and the din
Vitiators, la 37,1901. But beyond this 1 should
state that the number of pen es employed having
been 9,083 in 1833, it is now 7,0..19. The 'mount of the
salaries in 1833 was 962,000/. ; but year it was 713,0001 ;
being a reduction of 247,1741. Now, the• v. ry oontioerable
redaction his been made mitirely by means of the govern
sent proposing enesaures which have received the menctionof
the house, but which did not require the resolution chick I
the hon. member fur Buckingh *manner means to pr °pontos,
if the government had never thought of redaction by mean",
at their own disputal. [ rho ceaneellor of t. • Bach. quer
here whispered to that mole lord.l I hear that what I have
Just stated Is the amount up to last year. 1 have here
the last amount made nut, which shows that the decrease
as compared with 1833 is 2,170 persons, sad in solaria
236,9501., being more than a quarter of a million of

nosey. Is the tense of the mead year the *hair-
mut of the Bard of Works is lea bees true.
leered to milieney duties ; there was immediately a reductios
of else olio Ia that establishment. Is the same way there
have been caw Mused this year from time to time; and
the effect of such reductiou, serried on for a number of
years, mast of Down be very eoasiderable economy In the
publie myrtle. (Rear, beer.) Now, sir, I think I should hate,
la propothig this committee, that I propose it as it might
have bees proposed la 1798, or is 1 7, or In 1830, with re-
ference to the duties performed In these various °Bess, and
not with the view, which some gentlemen mesa to have
takes up very warmly, that there is at present each a
deereue in the expftees which belong to office,
that It is possible, by atini some male which they fancy
in their heads, to make at ones a sadden and panel
redaction in all public offices. With regard to this view I
think many objections would occur to the committee to its
being carried into effect. In the first plats it would be gate
absurd to say that you mutt go by what might happen to be
the present prim of cern or bread in the market. (Hear,
hear.) This would be Raking a tariff of salaries by 1850
when you might in another year have corn at the price at
which it stood in 1847; auks on such a principle, you must
vary the sail-its according to the search, or the plenty of
extraordinary years. (Rear, hear.) In the neat place, If any
cenunittre went into this question of reduction
they would be obliged to consider not merely
what was the reduction in the price of corn at the
time, but what reduction there was in all three expetc s
which persons in public' dams have to defray, and whether
with that view any large reduction could be !made. Now I
have had before me to day an account in detail of what are
believed to be the events+ of a clerk receiving a salary of
1501. a year; and, in looking over the items, I have not
found abwe one or two, and those ate amongst the least
considerable, in which in fain any reduction is made. lam
speaking now with regard to them who are in the perma-
nent service of the crown, because it is with regard to them
especially, I think, that the house will have to consider
whether any reductions eau be made in the public establish-
ments. chaps I need hardly notice another
notion which hae been lately started, namely, that the
public service: would be better carried on if the persons
who had to pert .rm that service were altogether removed
from parliament, if they had not seats either in
this or in the otter hone, of parliament. It is obvious that
such a proposal is quits inconsistent with the machinery of
our mode of government. Unless you have persons in this
and in the other house to defend the measures which have
bees adopted, and to puss on and support the legislative
measures which are intro-luced, it is quits impossible that
there can be any sort of harmony or any good undentanding
between the majority of the members of the houses of par-
dement and the executive government. We had a strong
instance of this In an attempt which was made, I must say
with the purest desire fur the public service, and in
which I was concerned, as one of the member, of the
government ; I refer to the estabLshorent of the
board for the administratios of the new poor law. I can
answer for it, that nothing could be more disinterested than
the choice made by the government of Lord Grey, of persoos
to fill the office of commissioner; but every member of this
house must be sensible that the having an office of adminis-
tration, which could not mike its own defence in parliament,
and, at the same time, the having a secretary of state to
defend the administration of the low, wi.hcut being himself
aware of the various details which hail to come before the
Ward, led to a quantity of complaint—very often undeserved
complaint—which occasioned such • distrust of the board,
as was most injurious to the administration of the important
law which was placed under their discharge. It was pro-
posed two or three years ago, as the result of experience, to
alter that system. The system was altered; and under my
late lamented friend, ildr. Charles Boller, and my right
hon. friend, now the President of the Poor law Commission,
no coot, aunt Wit ccly has been made by the public. The if -big
lord concluded by moving for a select committee, to inquire
into the sal • and emolumeLts of offices bell during the
pleasure of the crown by members of either House of Par-
lire-lent, voted in the annual estimates, also into the sal •
and emoluments of judicial offices in the Superior Courts oi
Law and Equity in the United Kingdom ; and into the
retiring pensions allotted to the judges, and also into the
expense of ditiumatic establishments charged on the conso-
lid ited fund.

The question having been put,
Mr. DISRAELI route move as an amendment : " That
to home is in possession of all the infoimation requisite to
revise and regulate public salaries; ;het parliamentary com•
mittees of inquiry under such circumstances would only lead
to delay ; and that it is the duty or the government, on their
own responsibility, forthwith to introduce the measures that
may be necessary for e ffe ting every reduction in the na-
tional establishments consistent with the efficient di:charge
of the pablic service." but when he learnt, in common with
the house, that her Majesty's government had for a coeliac-
fable period of time been employed in effa'ing considerable
reductions in the public expenditure, the qe•s.ion arose in
his mind, why did nut the nettle lord persevere in the course
which he hut so sue ces•filly prosecuted—why had he come
down to ask for a committee of the House of Commons to
discharge a duty which, according to his own account, had
hitherto been so successfully discharged by the goternmeat ?
(Hear, hear.) He thought the speech of the 'Wile lord was
rather a vindication of the principle which he (Mr Disraeli)
presumed to bring under the consideration of the house,
than one which autherled the motion made by the noble
lard that evening. (Hear, hear) He thought the house
would agree with him, that it was difficult is extract from
the noble lore's speech ant thing very precise and clear, as
to the principle which iefluerced the noble lord's conduct
on that MAMAS. Ti e noble lord had, however, dwelt amply
on premed nts, end through the precedents they might
perhaps arrive at the prieciple by whieh the government
was actuated. Tree noble ford had spoken o' committees of
the house on the estimates foe the public service. He (Mr.
Disraeli) would not remind him of the unwi helms felt by
the government at the time to make any such reference.
The estimates hod not been altered, and fortunately the
government had not quitted office. (Bear, bear.)
As fer as the motion of the node lord was con-
screed, t.e woe at a loss to gather whether it was
the opinion of the government that, with respect
to these particular branches of expenditure, they wee.
II sure, ptible of reduction or not. If it was the opinion of the
government that they were nct susceptible of reduction, go.
eminent was playie.g with the Howe of CJITOS.W.B•' but if
they were of opinion that they were sureeptib.e of reduc-
tion, government would have arrived at that conclusion on
proper inquiry and meters r• fle:tioe ; and all that was re-
quirod of the government was to act upon the inveetigadon,
upon that inquiry, and u; on that reflection, in giving the
a tyke that the House of Coe.mons had authorised—the
course which they, in their wiekm, thought it best for them
to pursue. There was an essential diffor• ace, therefore, as
far as preceeent WAS concerne I, elthough he relied on the
present occasion vary little on precedent, for, in his mind, a
great constitutional question was invoiced in the question of
this night ; but, as far es precedent was concerned, there was
no analogy between the two cases—between the instance of
a tuiffiste r who produce el an estimate, and laid his opinion
before the House of Commons, and a minister who mi-
n itted himself to no opinion, and celled upon the House of
C ;morons to perform his work. He was of opinion then that
they had sufficient information in the first place to revise
and regulate all retain; we had that information from the
documents to which the noble lord had referred, and the
series of re ports which was trought under their considera-
tion was in his mind an argument against the motion
ef the noble lord, and in favour of the amend-
ment which he wee about to propose. They
had other information, they had every year the names, the
salaries, of cII those offices brought annually under their
consideration. There was not one individual who filled any
of these offices whose name we did not know, end whose
zeal we had not experienced. Not only as members of par-
liament, hut as men of the world, they could not help being
able to form an opieion, founded on the informaiou which
existed in their time, upon the eaters of the duties which
these individuals performed. He wsnted to know how, if
they were to aerie to appoint this committee, they
were to obtain more information? Would they
summon the judges before them? The noble
lord avid, "Of course." Of course he expected
the committee had the privilege of the summoning. Would
they examine the judges as to the expenses of their circuits ?
Would they make them produce their tavern bills and vouch-
er,? Would they call a anent counsel before them and ex-
amine them as to the amount of their professiunal income ?
Would they summon their clerks to produce their (re-
books ? It was impossible they could contemplate anything
so indecorous and indiscreet. But, the government might
obtain this interenatiun from the best sources ; they might
hold conversatien with the higheet judges; government couel
equally acquire knowledee as to the amount of income ob•
tinned by two of the mist eminent members of the bar,
because they had sitting by them two of the most eminent
members who could inform them. Government were a por-
tion of the how ‘, and the information of the government was
the information of the house, and government could have
all the Won:scion which they were seeking to obtain by a
select comneittee. How noel' they investigate the sub-
ject of diplomstic establishments? Would they sum•
mon limbs seders from Cozstantinople, Vienna, land
Paris? Would they examine them? Would they have
other masters of the diplomatic hierarchy brought from
Germany tone ex 'mined b fore the Howe of Commons ? or
would they do a much mere easy and satisfactory Wog, awn-
mon the t ohle lord the S metary of State? The noble lord
would give amble, correct, and complete information. They
would have the advmanee of dealing with a minister per-
fectly acquainted with all the details of his office, they
could hay, no opinion of the good they might secure. Sup-
pose the noble lard, instead of ginlsg this evidence, would
produce a bill. (Hear, hear.) We should have a mere
speedy result of hie experience and more ehesply effect
those results for the economy of the service which they all
so much desired. The noble lord, in adverting to his ream
lution, had, from a mieeppre 'tension, entirely miscon-
ceived she menoii g of the latter p iffiest. The
:Ode toed seemed to think that, in laying down
an abstrect declaration, it was the duty of ministers
te introduce measure. diet might be compatible with the
efficient discharge of the public • , that he (Mr. Dia-
testi) had attempted to impress upon the house, that her
majesty's ministen were guiltless of any attempt at redu.:-
'ion • hut rosily the amendment he was about to move, was
perfectly Irrespective of what ministers had done in put
times. Ile avid that whatever reductions in these estab-
lishments were necessary now to be accomplished, it was
the duty of einisters at once to announce, to come forward
and propose them. That was independently ot the past
exertions. lie was perfectly aware that in ettempt-
leg to offer opposition to a measure of this
kind, which came forward in a very plausible shape,
but which he was induced to believe that the house would,
after due consideration, c wider to have an insidious ten
deney, that he had difficulties In arguing against a proposi-
tion on its surface so flattering to the feelings of the House
of Commons, which seemed to delegate the authority of the
Howe of Cetemons, which seemed to increase the power
and authority or this assembly ; but he would ask the, house