The Express.
London, England, 1861-03-06 00:00:00

It tweed so much es the subject of the ramrod sesirak
He thought the order in award, which had bees teesewed
bo, wee ambiguous. but that a strict sad Gtr esembassika
of k was in of of the oilcan who nab has sad he
was wry (the Admiralty had ad lakes that view of it.
(Hear, hear) fle retained the °plaice whisk le expressed
LA nee that sone. *ex ought le be greeted upon ttos
wahlect. eras . great that the oaken of the British
am amid 1.. di...oiliest...ll. These officers ought to bare
an cars of ilissetisfsetioe, and this was mot a moment when
somplalata ought to he beard. His renew for the apint-
meet of this ci %tee were that the present board
bad taken into consideration the aratisfactory state of the
captains, aid that their rules were so drawn up as to Ore
Hem is ao better position. He thought these were addl.
Weal meows why a committee should to granted.
Lord C. rAaer said he could indentaal his bon. friend
the member for Portsmouth advocating the claims of the
offieers rf the navy, sal he could understand the hoe. and
gallant nieniker fee Devonport doing so, but he could not
understand lime it was that the right hon. gentleman who had
been a minister of the crown should encourage them.
(Hear, heir) Could they leave out the sister service--the
manses, who were worse paid than the navy! (Hear hear.)
The army also could not be left without inquiry.
The right hon. )*roost was perfectly aware that what he
I could not possibly be doge, namely, increased pay.
H, hear.) He felt as a naval officer that the pay was
nalequate, but was it proper that a late minister should
come down to the house and make these complaints when
he had had epportunities during the time he was respondble
to the house to remedy them! (Hear. hear.) It was not
sight that the right hon. baronet should day after day come
down and foment the feeling in the navy, and endeavour to
throw discredit upon that branch of the government which
bad to administer the affair. of the navy. The board under
whom he had the borrow to serve had endeavoured to im.
prove the pay of the officers, and he felt sure that the rules
which had been issued had not been studied by his hon.
awl —.Bent frivol tho member for Portsmouth. (Hear.)
If this honourable member reed the rules which the Ad-
=inky hail iSSUeII, he would find that the effect would be
that officers who comniseded line-of.hattle ships would rea
eels. about 100 f. a year, and that officers in command of
fri:oitot would receive alsoit lie. a year, and that com-
manders and lieutenants would receive command money.
He would not ask there right honourable gentleman (Stir .1.
P.skiegton) to look at these rules, because the right hon.
gentleman hail done .11 be could to damage the Admiralty
in the eyes of the "Ricers.

Sir J. PAK INIMiN appealed to the Speaker whether
the noble lord war justified in imputing motives to him.
lie emphatically denied that he was actuated by such
motive..

Lonli'. PAGET ermined—The fact was that the right
boo. baronet was continually pouring forth to the public
the wrongs .4 the navy, which of becessity fomented die.
content in the service. They had to deal with between
liaised sail ottioers of the trey, irrespective of warrant
officers, end if they were to benefit them officer. to the
amount of even luf. a yew eacluthat would adillso,ooof. •year
to the estimates. Was the bones prepared for that great
increase? Within the last two rears they bad increased
the baffler of :ilnerit all cleans the Navy. They had
pensioned the warrant officers' widows, and they had
in various wos benefited the service. They bad not
done it to the eilret that he wished, because the expense
w.wld lc eu..noi•og. This mistime had two distinct bear•
lap- on with regard to promotion. He hoped there would
be an ..ppoitutitty d coesidering that in the committee
which he )v1441 would be nominated in • few days. Then,
with regard to pay and pension, if they had • committee to
bet, three pathetic stories of the wings of individuals
which existed in every service, the mesh would be that the
committee woul.l make a mart taking for a general in-
crease in the I.y of the navy.
_Was the house prepared for
that' All hien& looked to him to improve the
position of mtietra of the navy. The hon. gentleman said
be (Lord e. l'Aget) wail not to look upon himself as
a Chancellor of the Exchequer ; but what would be the
opinion of the House of Commons if he did not act with
regard to the general interests of the country—(bear,
liner)—aodhe were to look solely and simply to improving
the condition of his ',rather officers. Day by day be was
obliged to decline the memorials and appeals of officers for
bonne of pay. An hon. gentleman had made • remark
about political influence, but he asked the boo. gentleman
beams a single case in winch an officer hail hero promoted
boomisquence of political influence by the Duke of Summ-
ed sine he had here in office.

H. ISTRACEY —With great tlefereoce, l di.l Dot apply
It la tlaa prmcat Admiralty, bat to all Adrotraltim.
Laid C. PAG KT I take the rstractatioa.

Sir It. iri ii ii:ii v : Fr7r;iraZii7;7.
Lord C. P.tr :Kr said various complaints hail been made
by hen. gentlemen opposite which at that time he could
sot ester upon. All he could do WM to refer to what had
hear done in the last two yeses in the increme of the pay of
the officers to whom be bad referred, in giving
command massy not slaty to captaiss, but to
lieut.:lasts sad cominsaders throughout the sarvies,
by which they had gives an earnest of their intention
la every poi.able way to improve the condition of the
officer. if the Davy. U this committee were granted It
wieild he an invitation to every officer in the service to
bring forward his claim, and the result would be that whoa
the report came before the hiie it would be impimible to
marry it oet, and they would then break the hearts of all
theme offices& Fist this ream' be entreated the house Dot
Se epee to the adios.
Lord L 'LIMNERS felt tbe greatest 'uprise as to what
was the view of ministerial responsibility, or rather es-
ardsisterisl resprimilality, just Meted by his mkt. and
"Oast friend op (Lord C. Paget). Accenting to what
be (Lord J. Manlier.) uaderstood his noble and gallant
friend to my, that rule should he that every gentleman who
bed bees in office iihmeld bold kis tongue for ever after he
left cake. He could well remember that the lawman
which kin noble and paint friend held before
he took once was very different from the
glrim • which be laid down tomight ; and he
they were not to sederstand that if hi. noble and
t friend was ever out of office again his tongue would
isruieterally sealed. His noble and gall at friend
asked, would Ow Home of Commons grant an Mermaid
expenditure of rio,offff. a year ; but probably if the con.
mittee found at the easelados of their Inquiry that the
present pay of the easy yes set enough, they might recess.
mead sa 'scrams of that pay, and remedy that injustice.
(Hear.) But surely the whole of that was irrelirrast to the
proposition now submitted to the house. The noble sad
pillage tool said he knew the navy were underpaid.
Well, surely if the Secretary of the Admiralty made that
statemest, how mull the boom hops he bad satiated the
sines of the nary •. (Hear, hear.) How could he as a
meal officer, sal the . responsible adviser of the govern-
meet is this matter, rise in him piece and object to inquiry
Into thie sohject! (Hear.)
Lord PALM Elt..4Ti iN said the noble lord who had just
sat down had misrepresented hi. noble soil gallant friend
(Lord C. Paget). What his noble and gallant friend said
was this —that be wa...orry to see • distinguiabed member of
that boom like the right honourable berme'
(Sir J. Pekington), who had occupied the re.
spomible situ d ion of First Lord of the Ad-
miralty, not haring when in office practised those opinions
which he now proclaimed when out of office. (Hear, hear.)
Hi (Lord Palnsenton*.) noble and pliant friend mated his
opinion that the Atoms of the navy were underpaid.
(Hear, bear.) Now, be (Land Palmerston) should extrod
that circle, and my that all branches of the public service,
military as well as naval, were meteoroid. (Hear, hear.) He
would go through the army and the navy, and an
tbe civil service, and say they were underpdd,
Dal they would tad that those men had • fair
claim to hove their reward. increased. He said that
was applicable to all the departments of the civil
service, mil if they west into all the establishinests of the
country and inquired whether each officer. each man, each
clerk, received as much as the generosity of the country
was disposed to allot to them, he said that would lead to •
great menage of the expenditure of the country. This
motion won ceifined to the naval service ; but could they
confine it to that brooch of the public service and not ex-
tinct it to the military branch as well! (Hear.) He only
warned the Motu. to avoid an inquiry which might lead
them a great ilea] further than they originally kneaded
Sir .1. ELPHINSTONE istaisiled the noble bird that the
pay ,if a tiffew.oto t. was jamb the gay of a isimmoriar is
the navy.
The 11..,..• then divided:

Ayes
Nose
nis r -..11 Into reciewl with bed ehrwriss
NEW TItIALS IN CRIMINAL CARE 4.

97

On the ?notion of Mr. Burr, leave was given to bring
In a bill to mike more effectual provision for the setting
aside erroneous verdicts and granting new trials in criminal
DIMS.

COTES FOR DISQUALIFIED C.t.NDIDATES.
On the motion of Mr. BCIT, leave wm Rive• to bring
ib • bill to declare a•d amend the law relating to
votes give• foe • disqualified candidate at parliamentary
election*.. - .

Icebllls were afterwards read a firrt time.
AGGRAVATED ASSAULT.

o. the was given to
being is a Lill to atnetel the 16 and 17 Vie., e. :10, for the
brine, prevention met puoiahmest of automated assaults.
CRI'ELTY TO ANIMA'S.

0. the moticaof Visermat RATNNAM. kayo was Ores to
lbrioa is • IHII for des ours effectual prevention of cruelty to
aainiak
The bills were afterwards real a Med time.
CONSOLIDATED FL'ND AND EX lIEQtER BILLS

ACT.

The CHANCELLOR arti; EXCHEQUER broagbt op
the n•part ea this
INVIAISURE BILL.
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This bill as. real.i..; third iI. a—o-driaaird.
M t RRI 111;ES VALIDITY BILL.
This hill r. v. read a third time and Famed.
The heti...adjourned at 20 minute@ Pot

RIIIIE,ENTATIOII OF ROUTH LA`U•A4RIRE.-1
rnmtmg .•f the Italian: liheral electors of South Lancashire
was brill at the Royal Ilotnl, Mancheeter, yesterday tnorn•
log. with 1k view d eneeidefieg the propriety of selecting a
liberal c■wl:date, in the sweat d ParlianOVllc conferring a new
mg.{ this division of thav county. The nieetiag wee pri-
vatr, sod In undenitonal te hays arlionrued for a fortnight,
without rooting to any &stigma reverviii4 a candidate. The
rOOO riativrva sleet for a slenitar ..Lj.- t at Newton•le-
W this day. when the name. of M.. E. Loa .1, of Man•
rhe.tee, and of Mr. J. A. Tobin, of Liverpool, will he sub-
mitted r orrirem