The Express.
London, England, 1850-05-24 00:00:00

NANCHRS TER, May 23.

STOCIL•EXONANOII.—Tnere was • Ara market again,
with prices improving kr Lancashire and Torladen and Landon and
North Westxrn stooks as yesterday; but a portioa of the twiner
was speculative, and the present Neon% is Usk, to be of a Bullish
character.

3URALINOBA*I. May 93.
Illoon-Ixonawon.—Tins sham market was languid to-
day. sad pita wan+ • abode weaker.

LJIIDI4,
Elromlizo■Avres.—Thm is 110 ISLIS•fIa
re 111$011to
port is Uwe market this was. Tbs W u bars toss— __
.tics, N. es. Id. ; North British Pretenses, I ; North sitars.
; South Fasters sad Dow, I 4 Is. 9d. ; North iltsabrit.
Aim to& as. 9d. Ws. ; Gnat North's's, 191. as. 9d.

stusroc, May 113.
Stoat-Buntasea.—Ta• Burka remailitd w*eat
Maks as mole prime. Oen Wog I =violas \
INClintir Moo at Ilia Orem Welborn
apftlt Wad fro
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=" abeam *Okla,
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sheer
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prat. toed I *bah
Beat One had el Ms wets 1
eat 'Abdo** dues the repo
whether the pelat ee width they.
was taeumbeet ea Mt. Wyse la n.
Gad weft tor farther learrieu
area doe te eaeiNii W mad
;:tbut thet\ heft MOM
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we did es to the ler f
hisimzeidl laterventien that
le ram .
that is drowse ate ski set or a
darker was SO la %has _
soft it,. the despetsbia or X. Delays* Lim& is ...
be dearly lays {ewe whet was the vairrotilWalth that
the hostler of the ninth Writer. .4 la VMS ere
baron woo =
tape thintlitne ad set surd to
the poorer ainelpise el war demeads.—
those tozlestaire meta be giv=zereserste say et tee
SIM pertheler masa, m he loser, te be
shared se intedired with; bet the hastier ef the saber
order were to be ander te tree tiros soli te whir MO
rMelia led bees deed. Bat the pliant& of or
esingth wee embodied is estithe. treasnthad at the
Firth gerniont—sa 11/01111w At the hash to the Fest-
time ; repooffee to wain fudges who tad bas id-
hared ; eemponsedas a Mr.ffiredlsp ler lead taken dna
Yeti estillsillialim M N. !ONO Weir and eempeo.
Miss ter fain es ef six Irian bernenste. quads. Cl
omportlea to Id. Pardee fee destrostise al
ter dormers
woe eat Instred. New on ef February IL Droop
do Fars rites to say
as se the Irak= Omit en le be sombed In them ess
they era be whia dell met imbeds ■ prlnefrie ;meal at
Seller& dine.
Os the tied et Nbreary , rain he says, " As to the stood
point," "halt be had bra altered to late:roger me,
• tbat serif :
WI arse I him bod the homer et hamlet that the me.
diadem wM err= the ordeas whisk do not In wie-
ldiest", memisa dee dimemb If the meet of Landon. Maw it
Y. is elf •.
le whole* thst ma isimendy due to Mr. Foamy
twit
k somMes mends Mash& be the mond et that
mere ether eaters I might reed to the same effect.
Oe the red Mama, 11. Dewar et• Lbws wrote •
The Ihlbralsrla as armee to ars two quesdons :—Mr. Wpm k
rid pm* is emit of an semmeamet keel attheihilow.
merliems:-1. Prawn M mask if the indemaitim aimed by
miliesesd semi Mina MOM; of the vales of the rem
Übe hem to fray, waning to the MEM pet men it MI the
mem& of M Lead the images demwdel bathe persona bad
, Millesentle width M. -Wks emiessed, se wen
dams the pit.
kge et bk WON, VIII Oof bk Palmer* , which
mei to beambede
Showhig that It wee distinetly oadenteed that this pr-
am of IL Paeifises eider was oath* impure from the
Otter.
L The trammimisa of a haw le Mr. Wme, esteeming re.
pet Mr the serest of as sem at the TM•10111111. 3. Apm
mks to mkt a WM temety es the MUM or the Tortiegme
deseemete which M.Fsdike- Mare in haw ken aided away he
khn. Thk is the smegsment whisk Mr. Wyman tad teen be
hstrusied M AM) mod awn"
• misenderstandiag, it ether at Athens ea this
eshinet, tad ea the Bth of April Drouya de Lhays wrote
Mt 011111“11 LsHitte :
• Misr trona Mr. Orem (the coral sit Albeek
deltoids= es
le, it weld mew thee M. Gem on the Nth et
hr from Alb Y garde that, in sees he Wm-
selt sis Mit dein that his geed idles haw Mied, and that he
smarts m semi hem their esedemese, Mahal Parker would
hathan• resew. he embensineeres Wilbelit new orates tem hie
penman& Ihmt le ormiktMy meaner feria of hest'),
and ilk of meat immetams to ratify, in tint respect, the sphaisa of
eer ingelkem. In web bytothmk the awake ammo would
✓esame Oak mem Mojeves, se I hew kid the Mow of issformiag
pm ea the Sid et Felmmy and WM ef desk. If us dillkreate of
=shield orbs betessa IL otas and Kr. wpm es the gram
Mg If the sempeembe whisk the negotiator propose& maim
loth, asteColith he WU haw to ssambse, leer is me re vs-
eaMs boa dem Mr. Myee end Minkel Parker wilt hare to
r the is Matt government
The quills. is, whatje the port en which the difference
hies arisen Mawr' Bur Ott and Mr. Wyss. Bayou
Otte directed Mr. Wyse to refer for Jar ractions to his
LW:Nment, sad Mr. Wyss not feeling himself at liberty to
eon Gros says be will withdraw from the sapodi-
lla'. Wu that one of the only points which the mired ttor
had to examine, or was it not? I think I have shows that
it was dearly aaderstood that the cal, points wh'eh be bad
to negotiate upon or examine were the amount to be
gives to Mr. Fislay and M. Pride for the lands, hoar,
and other lessee. It would arm from the papers
that the negotiation was broken off, not upon them potato,
bat upon the queries whether the Greek goy remold were
or were not to Nuke an segagneent that they would not
only exam's, the (maim of loss of property by N. Pacifico,
bet engage to pay him for any loss which might be proved to
have been snotaird by hint is oessereues of the destruction
of his documents. Baron Oros on the 16:b agreed to soeb
an engegemet. Not only that, bat t • agenW also that the
amount of 160,1500 drachmas 'Maid he deposited r security
for the fulfillment of that rearimeat ; and the only difference
between Baron Gras and Mr. Wye. was that Baron Oros pro.
pored that the deposit should be hold conjoin, ly by Greece
and England, while Mr. Wyse held that it should be depo-
sited either in the Bank of England, or, if Baron Gros pre-
ferred ir, in that of Franc. Berea Gros said in the course
the distorts that he would take that view of the matter
WM his further consideration. It was after that—after
BW•111 Gres had consented to that arrangement—that be,
be reasons which he was folly entitled to judge,
altered his opinion. He retracted that proposal,
and said he wu shied that M. Prifico's
shim upon that head wee not deserving of ony
pert's& consideration, and that he would naly agree that the
Begliah and Greek rovernments should negotiate on the
subject, apply to the Portuguese government to know what
was the claim, and whether it was not oat which should be
paid by the Perhigoo sad not by the Greek government.
Thin proposal was refused by Mr. Wyse, who felt he could
not consent to abandon the principles on which the negoth-
tba was established, and because it was a proposal which
weitained a imitative of one of oar prindpel demands.
Wyse could not consent to that proposal eccordito to his
original instruction', still lees in the face of those which I
sent him on the 26th of March. Hs, therefore, naturally
said that there was aothing to refer, and that he could not
refer upon a point which had been settled as the bads re
which the good offices of France had been accepted. Hie also
said that these were the instructions he had reatived in de-
spatches hoe the home government, and that by three he was
bottom to abide. Baron Gros thought otherwise. Whether
Mr. Wymi was Mimi under ea orroaideas impression. as was
believed by General de Latina, but which I do not think,
that was the differree of opinion, sad upon that mainly the
noptiatioa was Orr ed. Another demand was made
by Mr. Wyss on his own nernsibility, but whirl), for rea-
ms Mated by him, bar Majesty's government had deter-
mined he was right Umpiring. Baron Grog had origiaally
CirdiWt the ships should be restored with their cargoes
met osaththe, or as nearly as possible as they were
when etiolated. Mr. Wyse, as a counter-proposal. smarted
the aseditioa that the Greek goverment should be answer-
able for all damages arkdag from corn mess es. Baron
Gres thee withdrew his proposal, upon which Mr. Wyse
withdrew his. Mr. Wyse had obrued that the Greek
gerranteut were oellect*t statements of lames, with the
view of being's( forward those claims as • set-off against
the claims of this cowry for the amount pelt
late the sinking had fee the Greek lows, and he thought
it right to shut out any such demand; not imptnieg upon
the Greek government any pendia liability, but simply
guarding against the patting forward of any seek claim.
Considering the importance of establishing • good under-
steadies with Orem, I think he wee right to twist upon
the bused= of • Mess in an aureememt, which, if pressed
without it, might lead to • recurrence of miardermaadiairs.
NJ British governmeat would have admitted that claim,
and it might therefore have led to unfrisadly Maras.
The Baia point on which Bann Oro insisted, sad
width Mr. Wyse felt bound to resist, was the qualm
whether the Greek pverameat amid et net to ray
whatever might appear vela he he duo le
Pecidea for the loss suetelsed by Wm the deetrustien of
his domments, of the value ef which we had no wilmate.
But be their yam great or smell, we thought In point of
rind* that the Groh orseaseent was jowly liable to
mire gar the less, se Visit Meg me was one of the rind.
pies dwr original demand Mau whir we stated it was
Impossible to needs. I Oki that Garr de
Lehr* wee wrong I. sherd that the negemiadoe
was team ef by Mr. Wyse, and net b
Berea Gra, an that ea the dapolled pent Mr. Wyse mighty
to have referred le his retermeat. I need not my that
say dilliemem whielt, is w Gems of discussioe may have
arid% between the goventmeate ef France and England,
must be die rattler of sari pdaM regret to her Majesty's
ministers. I keys I have said nothimg which mild tend to
\mem these d and bed to guru miraiiiir-
standing. or appear la the slightest a obstacle to their re-
moral. las met without brim it will be seen that upon •
question of this sort tire re* esuld hive bees no latent-
ern on the part el the Bridal' gewernment is the slightest de-
err to offer say affecatte a Madly power. I man 4 resist the
hope that the dissuades gefoissaseemealhetwegoornments
Mill end in • mem satiability and \nameable te both. I
should be sorry, indeed, if aerials. I sherd say offered say
difficulty in the way of sash adjuneesat, sad if these things
I were to be disoused in Utis Moo Wilber IDeeer hew they
may teeniest*, I should Mir ON no boot what-
ever sway be his opinions, witligtilleasy shiniest which may
ham • prejedkial sleet upon the Gesso which has hese
adopted by her Major y's miaistees. It is the anzieem
desire of her Majesty's nevenment te WON,
the most friendly relations with Pones. It fit
we who antes an of wheel the reeentatiet of Those is
themigeoPswairs. atalt tisthaeatbeljusais, sad %or wipithinciwubirimi wWe emityreirillint
mmisthat wsidladgeskatever thlueidgonv.egrlimiseiftsat nlcetanmanyotalbiltiegyinill
fool as to the mutter at Mae, it will do se the jostles In
think that whatever ground of complaint they asy haw
they haw against her Majesty's govenment, they have no
mead of compltiut for want of good Interior or • do.
&Macy in that friendly feelli.g which it is the ditty of her
Majesty's 'overuse', and the duty of say goverment
that may mend the., to feel towards the government and
the mike of France. (Mud duels.)
Sir J. WALSH said that no one had a greater sense ef the
mho of I rkedly relations between Trans. and this wantry
than he, and no one could be more ditll.llllll of ptetleg oet
of sight anything which could &stub thew relations.
At themes* time he felt bound to say that, putting the
most favourable °Deakin:Rion upon the noble lor.i's vale-
ntine, it did appear to him that he strained very much the
statement he made on the anesion of being questioned

ROUSE OF 0031MON&—TraspaT, MAT 23.

The Swum tent the .Mint 4 shtick.
PUBLIC' alumnae.
MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR,
Da SALWHY pue sense that he wend move that Os
N. of ON tram the military hankie revises at Whether
pee* be Menhirs&
ANIMATION BILL.
Mr. STAFFORD ye anis that be mesh! move, ea the
nest
se
nage" B
FalliMadmit wweek thieed
Kis be lostirated fee" sad Wan."
= ALL OF TAB AMBASSADOR.
fie J. WALSH seed I wish pal • go-
" 10 the wide lad appeite /native te the
amuse of bun= her fhb melee. (Bear. hear.) I
I nadmeind tbe :ad* lerfl ary• J 11•18111)
lass so seseeibet be lasi as anion for piss late ..semi-4
tee of . Br the Whim Ig_alkes'attUnir,
seseedisseaden ea sae
edition. enemies I wen se sek is. whether that
of the mak lord had nehmen ma* Is
se hea. paths* ea
LAM ef the4tWaiterr ask quoting mid Wee say
peeper. or whether it
erdberlikaisesador ?sat lairlitheresweethijkto be a sestsseat—ei 'neater,
t—made sow by die =hie lon the
Frett Seenseieey
sallidee with reopen te the extneetianaly
ether terrier" Maoismreseal
Lord PALM IO nee amid lend sheen, sad said--
Sir, ens the qualm .1 snag lase eamminse of supply, I
wlil advert se what took Wiese here the ether sight with se-
hems le **affairs of Treace sad lashed.
Upset **question that the Speaker de Yen the *hair,
esd tin the hew Moles itself isle • essaittee el
PALII-11118TON mina nee sad said —I fed
that ia esimerresee of whet passed here the ether
with respert m • gentiles pet se me by my tight hear=
the member he I sr (Mr. Gist:hit is due net sale
to nerealf, but to the that 1 as pens e
natiosa. (Hear.) My right ben trine, is Theredsyst
asked me, d I rightly remenber, among ether qualms.
whether there was • perfectly good eadentandiag be-
tone the severeness of Treace gad the
stain
meet of ineined with tepid be the of
Grease. I stated is reply, se far as I ma regal-
that the Freed ambush, bad lift Leedom
he Paris the day beforti—that he bad bean 417 to 1 by her
Majesty's goverameat with expleaatiess to be via the
genenseat atFresse—litet see of the *hots his Mare
me Trues use to gin these expleawdoss, sad I stated that
I hoped nonstag would eche out of these manse se diets*
the hiesdly relaticse onetime between the two semetries.
Olen hoes.) Now, about that time wee roadie the Fresh
er rather in the French Assembly, a latter
from General La Hine nerillisc or rather erdertag.
the French anbasseder le return to Paris film Leaden; and
it was thought by many panne, sat (sly here bet elsewhere.
that there wee aa fammeitteney ea my pert la the mum I
Faye to the right has. seetienaa, the member for Mooch..-
ter, as to the sonautien itself, and that I was endeavouring
to suppress mauling whin it was my duty to state to him
and to the boss*. Now, what passed im regard to that cir-
remstases is this. Biotin. had rises--differeness of
chain had arisen between du governesses of
Friths and the goveransat of her Majesty, ha
consequence of the manner in which the affairs
had tersiasted between England end Green at Athens.
When first M. Noun de Lhays communicated with me,
I had not received the despatebei from Athens. Tile French
Asbsssador ease to me on Moaday unfair g, with the view
of entering ea a disewaina of the q motion. I told
him, however, that I hai to ones down to attend
• 110•11.1ittl• of this house, mad I begged of him to
Peters the neat morning, Tuesd. Oa Tuesday he
same, sad then I went with his at great length
into the despetches I had received from Athens, reading to
his Mr. Wyse's reports of what had ;amid, and explaining
to him that the nurse adopted was ace that ought not, es I
thought, justly to give any ground of offence to Frame.
(Beer, hear.) Oar conversation was long, and be left mo,
rather at • late hoer, saying that he would return the en
day end continue the eavasation. The seat day he same,
and I forget sow whether at that interview which also hated,
as yen are aware, a loss his., but I believe that la the
nine of the conversatina we then had together he read me
a letter front Geseral Lahitte. Of nano I did sot wane
with the opiates expressed is this letter u to the groan&
epee whisk the French anibaseder was desired to return to
Pails. He shel, " I meet ge back to Paris this evening.
TO-111411tOw the papers will be presented Ia the Assembly—to-
morrow gentians will be asked, and there may be discussions
which make it my duty to be in Paris before the Assembly
meets, in order to afford env explanation the governante
may wish to have home me." I mid that I entirely concurred in
that course and would not press him to remain, but begged he
would communicate the substance of the explanation I had
given him. I furnished him also with copies of Mr. Wyse's
despetches, marking tbe pumagee to which I whiled the et-
tuition of the Fresh government to be called, and begged
of him not only to give such explanations is be might think
fit to give, but also to lay before his government those de-
tailed explanations which I had given him. Tale was the
state of things on Thursday, when I was questioned on the
subject by this house in the first place. It could not be
expected is the ord!nazy course of things that the letter of
General De Lehitte would have been read to
the Assembly that day (loud Sheen hose all parts
of the house)—and even before the Assembly
was in poseessicn of the document cossetted with the trans-
eetion to which that letter edited. It certainly never en-
tared iato my mind that such a proseeding is any case would
be vicipted. I was du justified Ia supposing that the expla-
nations with which I furnished M. Divert de Lhays, if sot
calculated to remove entirely the disatishetion or the
French governnent, would at all gnats greatly mo life that
feeling, and lead to farther explanations. Thinking that,
and b heels, it probable that at the very soseat I wee
giving my answer the Fen* sinister sight be assigns, as
• reason to the French Assembly for the return of
M. Drouyn de Limn limply that which was the object of
his return, mi heat giving any explanation or comma-
sleeting any explanation from her Majesty's government.
—believing that possible and thinking it probable, I would
ask any emu in the h use who values the good understand-
big between the two couch's, or who has any just appreci-
ation of the interests of this country and the euty of its
sinister, whether I would not have been guilty of the
greatest indiscretion, or rather of the most mischievous act
and most culpable proceeding, if I proclaimed the feeling
ea the part of the French government expressed is that
letter, and which according to my expectatiou would have
mad to exist. Supposing that the French minister bad
given a simple ground of explanation u the reason
for the return of the French antsmeedor, what sambief
would I net have due it I bad called and fastened
upon the Preach governmset the dissatisfaction they have
expresei t (Hear, lush) I es sue I need ne further
justification ler the coarse I pursued en that occasion—it
was dictated by an earnest desire to softie anything like an
eery Whig ea the part of the French government, leading
to eneeequenese of a senses *treater. That letter, however,
dos regain that I should mks state obeervatiess. Masse
it eharmes her Mejuity's government, and especially me, as
the organ of that government in the traneaction, with
laving broken faith with the gave/anent of FV•11011, Ines
such as it masete thee, ening to enurement, the auto-
ti sties with M. Banta 0111111111111 *okra off sad put= sod to by
the act of Mr. Wyss, is having determined to have reenne to
asesive swears epee a pout which he ought to have re-
lined to his 'overeat's% fit farther expluatiss. It is my
opinion that the papers already is the heads of members,
and which I made every effort to has delivered this morn-
hg, will show that the function of M. Baron One ware
sot suspesded by any act of Mr. Wyse, bat by the set of
N. Bares Gros himself, sad that Mr. Wyse, se far from
wining his faustiose to be suspended, ropremed the strongest
Emirs that they should be entlased, and that he did not
US*** validity of the mead es whisk M. Beres Gres
thought himself manned to suipsed his fenatiens. I that
that the men will snow that after Baran Gras lied se sem.
asamimlsil le Mr.Wysethathiefametione wen aaceendd, end
his hisilen emsnated—thaterna after that Mr. Wyse, se far
apes teldes edwastees of the sertion opportunity to have
new— le esereinnessens. made a nepenthe through
Bann Gra le the goverament of Adieu, which if seeded
to would have satisfied these skins whisk eves Baron Gros
himself did an main in dierstieg, and would have left an•
easietel these pante RPM Vida • different* of opinion had
saes. Bens ores sews* le Mr. Wyse was, " Refer to
yen genomment he iestewelise as to the point of differ-
ence hien* Min' ia,lite meanwhile nine your status
osso, kaep_paof the noels. but shale taking
_arsy MM." After Bann Orel bed seneteilinied to Mr.
Wyee that his faudses wen nespossied, and that he
meet await Anther orders teem Freest, whisk would require
an Surreal el three weeks, Ms. Wyse said, " If the Cite*
government will mead se a sem which I think is just the
amount of sompeneation dee he the lessee of Mr. Fiadlay
aid M. Pasha Ia their ►house sad greeadv—if the On*
✓aernestast will send 180.000 drachmas, sad will assearnamy
the matey with a letter saying that the sum is e All math
heti= of all claims is the note of the 17th of Jut r,
with Oa vislos tti the stains of M. Pacifieo,
for losses resulting from the destruction of his do.
assets, I will thee—what—estiane the sears coo ?
No ; I will immisclistely visas all the Greek mercttantsen
now tithe detention, and net free the comas rce of Greta "
(Hear.) Well, sir, no doubt that would heave been • very
advantageous arreagem th eat for e Greek government,
ad rire-
via.4 they were prepared to do that which cizennutattess
required—usely, to admit the principle of the
That arrangement would have left fur future discauion
the terms of the Inter of apology for the insult offered to
the British navy is the rise of the Pantos*, and wosti
also have left for faun discussion all arnagementa of the
claims of M. Pacifico for the loss of his deements. Baron
Gros replied to Mr Wyse—" I have notified to the Greek
government that I as no logger officially is communica-
tion with He British sibilants I canaot therebre make the
proposal nihrially, bat annicially it shall be made." This
was on the 24th, and on the next day Bans Gros informed
Mr. Wyse by private letter that he thought the neat day,
the 26th, by five o'clock in the afterson, he (dr. Wes)
would receive a letter and the money—this being the lout
bad cosine the Greek
.governinent could take. Mr. Wyse,
es receipt of this sonteneniestion, suspended any coercive
2•111111•110 until after the thee mentiosed in Baron Groe's
letter. Awl It was not until after five o'clock had sloped
on the 26th, two days after the time when Bates Gros
ofkially asnuansiested the suspension of his fanstione—
sad whet neither the eatisigeted letter or the noisy
had arrived—that Mr. Wyss made the autoesessent that
be had gives orders for coulee swum to be resumed.
We are justified, thee, in auks thee It use got Mr. Wyse
who pat an end to Baron Gros' mission. Whether rightly
or we** is met men to the pawn. I think rightly hut
Mr. Wen inesklered that Baron Gros had officially with-
drawn hinted( from the misfits, and that of course cause
bad ads* to Joni!, at once the resumption of coercive see.

MO M.
ordisal ,- it spot efigraAsit .t
Ths obit rd send to that does doh. win lobs adaittod
la dl doirtistepity, b do Took knowailho sill that
se polio sestet seism opmgs is N tie seta/ to be
aortal to IL kw**. now, eel Frookgrearnawat did
sat open to scow with do WO had as that, sad Its
thoglit it ervidont that la Os despatsbee of Goad De la
Nita Ike Froth gavenotett noted is theloaoken
if. odds liberty ..tsZaosiiptotioas of detail ia
snagegago asa
arsier *mod Patio
o Moll sat vesture, idly penis/ the do•
sat
to wirer th• alatelleni tit law RAMO MEd. ate
..warred with Ma that k was *Ma k that to olOists
of sailp with the Imo* pailosstiestill Ism istilltiod,
and sot ealy with ths Freed gsroM.Nt that smug
with dame other grad m _ ato al Wain Were at pro.
seat shoats' htmo so APO M Neteral. Thar*
cold bt dohs wbrinatar Mat Op Is
of
thesis M
l'tegsMan had bass It giatmasteiLla a most
walbeaussitt- stilt s. sad that theme is their
isom bad Mat mot assossomad. TM Ltd bad doh
co Ms sliistms with Foot ; be bad shag Is "Mt Ohms ;
that Milano lod base the key dos the Mtk O his
pads& sad
_Os h.y doe Its bat imattiod Is IMO sat with,
itelitssif. The adds bed bad hatili+shall, M &sags
hat Frame, o hod that skyhad glad It
that—osemidortag the tam the t
Wes tak, sad the obibity that had bees to it—
j toil ha to em Os too Moo amiable He
Mead rot the toile Mel had astOod to plats himself la
sash a data of saugssimma o that goverastest, that Imo
geoid be • great biz to the roundag at oiled* relatirro
Lorde MAHON said he wished em complain of, or nos go
peeirmakiag, to hoot, Ms past dotal that MI
takl, es place is ks gradualist of the eissosat sesswarg
he the odenstasding of this wee.
11,. BMYTRE, who was Onset issakblo, sad at Mass
sairely esoltdanal that Ms Foreign ilestmorgatoeittelfall,
dm* sassmodo kisses at the Olsen OM
Hit my militant Md formed the Yagoda el Ids piLlyine
thsrallselmai as Okla pedantry th• di/Odom that Os
sadmaglO Is doors stadisilme sad pod Oho
wad paittsk, la 'PO Of a demos motive from toady
sa iMssiiskitiSt MO the sesded panted towards
Poo hill wollittedjusimemy, distrait, sad Iseult to the
t of Oat astastry, although te Matto& that what
Sighalsajast Mod liews the SOW MI was " a most
wainstly *j. 5."
Mr. DRUMMOND alatitted that Os Foreign Beers
tarp had afforded a stsiefsetacy oplaaaties ; bat ha argued
that, it the case of shims is paltry as had boa involved, it
were more dignified for linglead to hoes swigged the whole
potion to the adjudication of the friendly atediator whose
good offices -*IV so frankly offend.
Cei DUNNIt had heard with grad satisfaction the state-
ment of the salts lord. It was said that they ought to
preserve at asy.prio—he thought they sought to maintain—
tho honour of the country, sad that they bad a right to rat
vire roparatios at the hods of Greets.
Mr. DISRAELI could not understaad why the stamasat
they had jast heard was tot gives a week ago. For himself,
on the present occasion, he maw so amenity to enter upon any
diversion what *a what were called the ethics of
Ores**. Thumb the noble lord, as he was ready to
admit, had uplained satisfactorily his answer to the question
of the right hon. gentleman the member for Menettuter lest
Monday, he was not aware that the noble lord the Fins
dishier of State had yet explained to the house the remark
able reserve and somewhat equivocal colouring of his reply
to the interrogation that took place. He took it for granted,
aad be imagined there was so member of that house and no
man of sense in this coastrv, who *opposed for • moment
that Oratorio sailed the Greek claims forced anything bat
• pretest—so one of Naas could tor a moment suppose that
• powerful armament of Great Britain was bromhteaddenly
into the waters of the IS editeranean to aeons tha suspicious
claims of M. Pacifico. There wee of coarse ease cause which
was not noted for this demonstratioa ; and there appeared in
which

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patina's -__ ____ _ ... *Mariann seen tu.,
.odd have bees hauler the wicket of doe nein n tba.
ants lord tbe weber for Batton (Lod Hobos) that It
would be se well an to loan Bib Owlet atall Abe new
bend the bone kin due be' nein and welsh**
nts ates of doe .111•1 have , been nib' sir
ace table. (Ben,. bent) Ter,' al
if nobble]
picketers bat Indoor elope of the ceeteetwal non mph I
be would not pats felba into the eilftiee ei grew into Mile
he has What In ;kowtow of his speech.i (Hoir,,bear.r For'
isetaarn be . isplereed kb won* the of:4liter' bad sot
dwelt epos the eimneratisa of the apelL .^.lfita *Non
corny noble Mead wee is show that • mistake had both
made by die Fronk IBA*. Jae Fano Alfaltet ht esp-
posing that we bad sane • inlan'peosiee. whisk we .sat,
kept ; tad that wry ante Biwa non antpletely thawed.
(Hear.) rha win*. to which the kn. gaullosaa
alludes was the annuaties of-thet lift! of April. Now,
on the 23ed of Bpi, Dues Gen made that samusetemeni
I to the 0,. k hentinteneaden illr.Wyea, whin, la the opi-
aloe of Kr. Wyse, nipasin fee the time auttllat an end to
his hincliihni sea hegatistor. Whether Kr. Wyse was debt
' se wren in that Isterprendon, sy noble bintre aehtneet
sees le now that be wee well blooded is that interpretation,
am night la bating nonne to coeftive smasures. Bat if
he wet tight la that courts sad jutlfled is that interpreter
Bea, It leabaine that the convention of the 18th of April
must ban Iwo late to influsece the proseedlags of
the Fronk en the 23rd—that these four days
(the despahit any ant eat on the 11th), were net
Iwo
nallaissit to Barnet is Gems the condom of the Freon
and Bahia neheelleart. And yet, it WOO to Iwo been
web • pomade eo the Mc. gentleman that he cannot under-
rated why my noble friend did sot explain bow it was that
the ...alien of the 18th of April did not eonelude the boat.
wise of Aiken. Had it appeared to us that Mr. Wens bed
Wally mistaken his lastrusions. or the purport of Baron
Green ansounemest to the Greek government, then we
should have said that the convention of the 18th of April
must have its duo course and effect; and In that can, my
noble friend would, in his explanation. have laid due ewe
phasis upon that amventien. Bat the statement
be made precluded the necessity of laying any
stress upon IL Whether or not we were right
in that interpretation, whether or not Kr. Wyse
was right in his interpretation,will be a matter for argument
when the hoe. gentleman shall have reed the papers end be
a little better informed upon the subject baton us. (Haar.) '
Indeed, the hoe. gentleman seems to *awe the far that
there has been a negotiation at Athens at all, and says that
nobody ever supposed the matter would have beau settled at
Athens. Why, from the verLftrat the question was to be set-
tled at Athol., not by Dv:English government alone; but
the French government use a negotiator there Is whom
they had every eionfidem, from his prudent. sad @Rpm+
en.. (Hear, hear.) And the first thing which the Flea*
ambassador to this country did was to agree with my noble
friend that the negotiation should be conducted at Athens.
The proposal first made on the 16th of April, and cirried
into effect ea the 18th, less, in effect, an afterthought of the
French ambassador; and if Bar in Gros had not thought it
right to take the step he did take, it would have meddled
the whole negotiation between Bogland and Greece on
terms perfectly satisfactory to the English government and
the French government, and which we certainly lament did
not take effect. The hon. geatlemas has alluded to the ex-
planation which I gyre a few days ago upon this subject ;
and without entering into the general discuision, which I
certainly will not do, I am anxious ti state a few words with
respect to that explanation. Having been engig-d in public'
business, having attended a committee of this house at throe
o'clock that day, I hail sot at that time read the despatch
which woo read by K. Droops de Limy* to my noble friend.
I had seen the general statement in the newspapers that the
minister of foreign affairs had received • despatch for the
pupase of recalling K. Drouyn de Lhuys, but I had not
read the despatch itself. But what I bad read
was the despatch of Lord Norstenhy, giving an
account of his conversation with General de La
hitte ; and when the honourable gentleman asked me if
I bad any statement to make, I thought I could not do I
better than state very shortly the purport of that despatch.
1 stated that, in consequence of the dispi felt by the
French governor. nt at the einduct of her /Cjesty's govern-
ment with respect to the affsirs of Greece, they had thought
it necessary to recall their ambassador from this country.
That statement wee in perfect conformity with the fact
and with the representation I had received. But, sir, I
went on to state that the French Minister for Foreign
Affein had stated to Lord Narmaaby that the return of M.
Drouyn de L'tuys might be considered as natural, sines, he
having been mint here specially on the affairs of Greece,
and the negotiation having failed, his mission had reached
its termination. Now, sir, it is quite right I should state
that by a despatch received I Ohm to-day from Lard Nor-
enanby, it appears that while Lord Nonninby says
that he has a recollection that those were the
terms used by Ornerel de Lihitte, he thinks they were
terms used in consequence of Lord Nornitaby having stated
that the consequence of these events might Whet his position
at Peril, and that the words used were rather of civility and
kindness to him, Lend Norminby, and that GeLeral de La-
bitten has since stated he does not recollect using thole words.
Lord Normanby says that, that b.ieg the ease, he certainly
cannot hold the French minister of Foreign Affairs bound
by words he does net recollect. I certainly was not aware of
that by the statement of General de Labitte ; I stated it a.
Lord Normanby had stated it in his despatch. Whether it
was a statement which went in any way to explain the ter-
mination of K. Drouyo de Lbuys's minion, it was not •
matter for which lam responsible. I wished to state that—
the French government hating recalled, from displeasure
with the conduct of England, their ambassador from this
country there had been words used by the French
minister for Formica Affairs which maned to imply that
he thought the breach was not so serious as from
that circumstance alone might be considered. With respect
to any other statement of mine, I can only say I answered
the questions which were asked me • that when the hon.
member for Radnor (Sir J. Walsh) asked whether we had a
copy of that despatch, I thought it was the real purport of
his question, and I answered that we had not a ccpy ; and
in answer to another hat. gentleman I stated that it had
been read to my noble friend. Therefore, the whole state-
ment I gays presented is fact the whole truth, as far as I
knew it. (Hear, hear.) Though the house does not think
it proper to enter inter • formal discussion of the affairs of
Greece at the present moment, yet I am very sorry there
should have been any observations, and I thick there were
observations which fell from the hon. member for Center-
bury (Mr. Smythe) which may tend rather to increase
than to diminish the difficulties of this question. (Hear.)
With respect to any discussion which may hereafter take
place in this house, I shalt be happy to take my full share of
rispon•ibility with my noble friend who has conducted these
negotiations; because, undoubtedly, although he was the
organ of the goverment, and as such is full possession of
the confidence of the government, I, ea We head of that
government, avow and consider myself to be orderly respon-
sible for the transaction. (Hear, hear.) I must further add,
in opposition to jhe opinion of the hon. gentleman, that
Were have been mossious—mere than one occasion—when
me .iation and good °fine have bean essential for maintain-
ing the pease.

to ef the tilpleneede animists _ hod
Useqdred is smother senate? some intimation of
what that MOO really was. It seemed to have been
siesemory In the opinion of her Majesty's government that
there should be a great demonstration of the pewee of England
this year In the Mediterranean sea. The bathtub!'
member then taunted the liberal members with the division
of opinion among than upon questions of foreign and colonial
policy, and the unanimity of the support which they never-
theless 'traded the ministers on all occasions of importance.
The noble lord the member for Hertford (Lord Mattes) who
had warned them not to give their opinions oa affairs till the
papers were produced, might have remembered with sun-
faction that the paper. on this subject were in the pomethon
of the house—he could not say they were in his possession,
for he had not yet received them. But they had come too late ;
ld like the to, lord's despe•thes they were too late for the
poet. (Laughter.) It the noble Lad could only have Coe-
trived to let the house have their Greek pares se soon as the
French Assembly had bad theirs, they would have listened
with much more satisfaction to that masterly exposition
which hoc. gentlemen were now obliged to say they would
not answer bemuse they bed not read any of the documents
which the noble lead, tithe s ime time as he made his speech,
took out of his pocket and placed on the table. (Hear, hear.)
Without the advantage f reading these documents, he had,
perceived a very singular omission in the " masterly state-
ment" of which they bid heard so much. Throughout
that singular exposition, not one allusion had been made to
the convention of April in London. Who, no.
utterly ignorant on such matters, could possibly
have supposed, whilst the noble lord was enter-
ing into all those interesting details about the deal-
ings of third-rate diplomatists in • fourth-rate stets, that the
foreign minister of England, and the enthusador of the
republic of Francis were negotiating together In the capital
of Great Britain ? (Hear, hoar.) No doubt the sole
grievance of the French nation was, that they should
have permitted the limbered°, of their republic to enter
into a negotiation, and draw up a convention with the minister
of England, and then to find that, instead of these great
personages solving the knot, notwithstanding all that de.
moutretion of goOd feeling on the part of France, and that
employment of powerful energies,—all ended in a 'quibble
in • remote center of the world carried on by obscure and
sub irdinate individuals. (Hear, hear.) There wets other
r=f first importance on this question, for which he had
in vein throughout the whole of the " masterly
exposition," and had never heard the slightest allusion to
them. Had the noble lord made the slightest allusion to
the position in which we were placed with respect to Bessie
is this affair ? (Hear,-hear.) He (Mr. Disraeli) did not
expect the noble lord to eater late the details of his diplo.
untie dinner party, nor wish his to eve authentic reasons
why the plempotentiery of the Haperor of all the
Rundas was not his guest Bat, sundering that
even in that book. white they had not had
the opportneit, of reading, these Min several deepatehes
from the Burden minfelter, mth thee thee& was • party
deeply interested la all methen essinseesd with Greece, and
one of the thief powers of the world, it would have been ez-
tremely satin/seem If the noble lord had remembered the
existent)* of Raub, and could have informed the house that
be sot only bad a prospect of re-establishing • cordial uncle e-
sterase with Prawn' bat that our cordial suiderstanding
with Ramie was not is the least 'admitted. There wee
nee the beet menthe of this throughout his " masterly state-
.thee."—sot an allusion to the eathestion of April. the most
ins putient feature of the etese.—aot the lout intimation of
the edbot area Russia of the conduct et her
=Ma-
There was • third point on
Varmiest
should have liked to hear frees the
math author of this " masterly nutmeat" some
meheithery explanatioe—respostie_g the Islamise( *lib!' they
W sues heard so much. He repethated the tome
Whit bif ettesidag the chief of a &pettiest instead
of the goverement ; he made no Medullas be-
tween them ; and, if anything had falba from him
which seemed to violate that role, it had been unin-
tentional. The thief criminal, if criminality there were,
was the first 'matador. (" Hear, hese," and laughter.) He
ern the heed of the cabinet, and as suck wee really. roars
-
tilde. The noble lord who bad managed the bunter
(Palmerston) etecuphad a rabeedthate postmen. It was quite
clear that however unwilling the government wan in the
beginning to assent to the 'mediation of Prance,
and however impolitic it was to agree to Frazee assuming
that doubtful position,—her Majesty's ministers having
taken that swine, should have sued medially and etheerely.
(Heir, hear.) However imperfect the authority with which
the republic of Prase* was Invested for the fulfilment of the
common object, tit was; not bet Majesty's government, who
had refused arbitration or niedituon, that should have
thrown impediments in the way of a satiabetory termination
of the affair. Had the government dote so or not ? Had
they acted cordially, sincerely, and frankly towards the
French republic ? That was the question to be decided,
even by these gentlemen who had received the "masterly
statement" with nick ready cheer, and had seemed se
anxious to prevent dbeamion. On that point the evidence
triers the house was complete. In that book, which none
of them had yet read, he had almost accidentally dud upon
a wear which the house would do well to eoulder. It
was I. the deepen* of Lord Normanby to Lord
Palmerston' written OR the 9th of May, sad re-
solved on the 10th, describing the effect produced in
Paris when the news arrive) of the settlement of the Greek
question. Bone conversation woe detailed between Lord
Norman!), and the French minister of foreign affairs,
General Ds Lthitte; and Lord Norniaiby then pro-

lio spit wad moo illsopoil. which ha ha imalstatad visa he
Mg lea waved it ham IL Devon Vs IMO% dltio Oslo of hi
d la wit& ho hiswelf to Iwo Poured Oa ess.s „kb
awl is Moo obtalood your onoldo nom sea.
thaw .stokes by the reasavevotosank dot ht are ef say
of 'Oaks hawses Kr. Wye) aossosert ame es b, a.
loom to to gropond to the Greek setresuaret. hustle onsoottoat
should Ira be rootamessa wall • twitter advatee Won. sua
he laerostioas to Lain sal Pots; ithast, U /mimeo wads
Mealy by the two to the Ors* grworassot wore Nobs br that
the cooretro seslMUlle night et esto nin Whot
Ooused de me timed be hod ptlit ewe le swglsla d yr,
last nt. Wyse hod sated tart he MI arm teatetti sad Inteastiass

Mr. DlSRAELl—Mediation, no doubt.
Lord J. RUSSELL—And when good °fame have been
mount for maintaining the pans between two countries.
I need only immure, the nee of Naples, in which a demand
of ours was enforced by coercive measures and those coer-
cive measurer were suspended at the request of the French
government, who offered their good cages on that occasion
those good offices were accepted, and were successful, and
no coercive message were med. In another ease which
took place with regard to Mesieer,_the positions of France
and this country were ginned. Frame and Minim were
os the eve of hostilities; the good cure of England were
tendered, and were successful in putting an end to those hoe
ditties, and restoring pesos to the two sentries. (Rear,
hear.); 'Therefore, it is not at ell tree, as senora Mein,
that good °Sloes may not be of great serene with respect to
the maintenance of pease. (Near, hoar.) There are other
matters on which the boo. gentleman has spoken, into which
I certainly need not enter; bat, with regard to the tenable
tins of this badness, I will say that I agree so far with the
hoe. gentleman, the member for Canterbury (Mr. Smythe),
that if there is any explanation or any proposition that
we can make to the French government, consistent with
the honour and the inter. is of England, which may remove
these unhappy mieunderstanJings and restore to • state of
harmony the relations between the two sentries, there is
no effort which her Majesty's government will omit to make
in order to attain that desirable obj-et. (Rear, hear.) I
trust, notwithstanding the taunts of the hon member for
Buckinghamshire (dr. Disraeli) that we shall have credit
for cordiality and sincerity in that wish. (Hear, hear.) I do
not think that any circumstance which has occurred since
I have held the Omuta' I now hold in public affairs has
given me so much pin as these unhappy differenon with
the government of France. (Hear, hear.) On more than
one amnion, upon which I do not wish to enter into the
details, we have shown a wish to consult the
'purgers of the government of Franco, whea—
-1 will not say the interests of England, but
the popular feeling of Englana—was • good deal against the
French government. It wee oar wish to show forbearance
towards that government, as • government which we wished
to see strong and powerful in Europe, and whose exigence
and when strength Is essential to the permanent peace of
Europe. (Cheer.) I hope, sir, that the discussion may
now be allowed to terminate. (Rear, hear.)
ADULTERATION OF COFFEE.
The question being again put for the house to go Into
committee of supply,

Mr. ANSTEY rose, but was fcr some time inaudible,
owing to the noise oixasioned by mention leaving the house.
He moved the following resolution " That for the sakes( the
public health, the improvement of the revenue, and the
encouragement of the fair trader, It le expedient that the
Commisioners of Eloise be directed to mounts all pupas

sold .
t CA, tosiditslll.
bsy aka, Wife / 'SE Chlineled- Be
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TROMPlONSidilliat lt asorstseilW US.
people had to do lidateehe hen
wan to bay labs the Sad geed it
httee *few were Ur. AMOY
gatieeterithent std • '• •
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• MAlflfrffitl' HATT.'
I the alder cd the dry hang spite seek tiwrioil In re
HAMM sailed the attestiop of Ms
}'tie iimiessity of providing semi legal means
in the royal nem in ease of war. To SEM:
mint fleet on the war eatithbeemeat would, -he elimeene
manse. ealistment of about 4000 ewe. Us
was tai, moss new reaogniasell by whieu so to arr=
of sir seamen in case of agency. 'But this practice To
otntSasy to the free eosatifutiOn of the emery, sad opposed
by public. opinion ; so that any murrain to the violent
measeres of the praeo-gsag was henceforth Imposslttle. had
substite% for this *bedew method, he tweeted that, epee
the breaking out of a ear, her Majesty shield he onspowsrent,
to keno a prodsanatioa, assigning a certain form daring
which every seamen fa the country should be liable to be
sailed on to earn fa the royal easy, the number required
being sleeted by ballet at quarterly laureate out of the
general mass of MOM ' • sad every man, upon completift
the allotted term, being entitled to a pension. He relied
upon the register ticket system as providing the machinery
for reaching the individual mariners who were to be the
subjects of the ballot; est on the downed popularity of the
navel service is its present improved sedition ter festinat-
ing the operatics of his plan, and rendering, indeed, the en-
listment Osman to a great degree voluntary. In order to
increase this inducement to volunteer he proposed some ad
Mons to the pay and pensions assigned toe various Oases
of seamen wed petty officers. He ealeelated the this would
give toe navy the navies' of 26,000 ma pa amass. Re
said that this was not a political question, but oae of hitcher
impatient, sifacti*g the intents of thole who had crowned
Britain with %memo Flory.
Admiral BERK BLNY itilogfeed the spirit now manifested
by the British seamen, maw whoa desertion had become
rare, and their love for the service very cordially *staid.
The Admiralty, be declared, bad a reserve of seamen in hand
who were available on say occasion of necessity. He epic-
rided In disapproving of impressment as a system, but con-
sidered that the power et employing it in sees of great
emergency sight to be retained in the hands of the govern-
ment.
The subject then dropped.
EXPENSES OF COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY.
Ou the question being pat that the Speaker do now leave
the chile,
Mr. J. STUART referred to • return purporting to con-
tain an account of the number and oust of the commisehme
of inquiry Weed aline 1630. The document he c
of as grossly inaccurate. It eentainoi a list of 91 commis-
sums, sated to have cost 638,0001. This sum he asserted to
be little more than one-fourth of the real amount of the ex-
pens incurred. The commiseions in fact had cost more
than two millions.

Col. BIBTHOLIF promised to support the hen. member
if he weeld propose a substantive 'slotted for ixquiry into
the subject.
Sr' F BARING apologia:4 for the absenee of ministers
better able to afford information than himself, and suggested
the repetition et the question when the miscellaneous esti-
mates were undsr coostderation.
Thehouse then went into committee of supply on this
NAVAL ESTIMATES.
On the vote fa 1033,9h91. to d.fray the expenses of naval
stores,
Mr. COBDEN said that his hon. friend the member for
Montrese (who was absent) hod given notice of an amend.
matt on this vote, which he presumed he would move on
some future stage of the estimates, and he thought that
the practice of appointing the first day after an
adjournment of the house for rping into these votes
was not only an ineonvenietit system, but ought to be pot
an end to. He belonged to two important committee, up
stairs, and it was there agreed that as all the members were
not I,k :ly to be in trwn immediately alter the Whiuuntide
holidays, the committee would not resume their sitting. till
Monday neat. He had ob.e•ved that the government ere
tematicady named the day on which parliament assembled
for voting large sums In the estimates, and if such a court*
were persisted in the house ought to • it by a vote.
At the present it we, not the intention of his hon.
friend to divide the committee.

mere
4:111M2242Mi11e*
Ise doubted very hither the metes
were passel foe the se elegies of phases
.npply to Oslo; 01 tuna. Ang
;wear thatnrila chat as the highs,.
'cm we of the dlent,hilis- brought is
wart ent-sepudi dues salt. -
*Mk lestemedeept Maud this. meet, taw
w
partieslars. The right hoes . gentlemen said
;4wen lativibill dredge Spam alma.
effect the ease of Bic J. Brooke, to which ha
VOW He had beanie pes.
et laud Awl gmegielhed mina hie sett auilti,„
.ewdeatillsralisid them nephew. • But bad these
Orffse•ammitdd MT et ear ter* ?,,,fffsere was us
141116. Toed ate els initiates as Ws%
asiadittornoo showed theadarre was so thaw
piteilse.. Beldlhensikesatelainita might
ileolli WPM aillitaimMteLeviliba, were VI awl
warfare with each Winn het would never think
.011 en Rnglisb resod ; it was therefore sooestrotui
4 a charge of 20,0091, roe servitiongcinet awe pirates
rfillpe Brooke had Lib Imo's& tor theme on their retina
g itchgreirre ;' hi poured his browhidee iota
Seed Without any suntenens—se- seeweedee,ev- as) inquiry
anode; they made no resistance, and after thy
ry, la whine ablest 16:11 stffetede which was memo like
e..bastue of sheep than anything else, the perhement was
salted to grant 2011.4. head for the distraction of flaw, poor
Ntriattsrev. The wuy in which Sir J. Brooke treated they
tlekert safe shbwed that he did not consider they had been
;spiky ot piney. They had been arardered, In (Mapes
which woulu• wit kooky a esanittion• far petty laceesT.
Mem, hear.) Ho themisre ordered to this vote, The
largest portion was ferphery an the maw of China; but of
thh what proof wee there ? Our 60 and g 9 gun stamen
watt and took tip a Obilitiim on the Chinese coast, and fired
into and der:bred vemehLrtelcitthey assumed to be I irate;
then they made an estimate of the number of the caws,
and a eorrespoodieg demand for bead-money. There was
so proof that they were pirates.; they stiiht be maulers
and might have been taught to bs so by cur example is
impaling opium. But wily eheuld the navy of this coun-
try go ever all the world offering their services to slaughter
Stumm beings? (Hear, bear.) He doubted the lenhty of
this charge. Our admirals wore strictly prohibited from
meddling with the intestine broils of thews tribes; and look-
ing at the misgivings entertained by the governor. ot them-
selves, there was presumptive proof that these ear= were
dinged. There woe no evidence whatever that any rd thee.
K-celled pirates had attacked say of our ships errayed in
commune, and on thews grounds ho objec:td to the v,ta.

Mr G. PECHELL said that if the honourable mem-
ber for the West Riding divided the committee, be
should support him. There was a large class of vessels
from 28 to 44 gene, which never could come into
no. to war, and which ought to be put up to auction.
He complained of t►e enormous expenditure of coals in the
steamers and said that he believed a saving of 201. per day
might be effected by the eceaomioal management of these
vessels.

Sit F. BARING expressed his regret that the hon.
number for Mow rose was not present, but observed that
that bon. member was perfectly well aware that the
estimates would be brought on upon this occasion. Great
reductions in the estimates had been made—in coals alone
these redae•ions were 24,000 f.

Sir G. PBC HELL admitted that eonaidorable reductions
had been efLeted by the Admiralty, but observed that much
further reductions might take place.
Copt. FITZROY thought that some improvement might
be *tiered in the plan of coaling the acumen.
Bit F. BARING said the subject was udereonsideration
and that much mut, of course, deptud upon the eircum-
Henries of time and plane.
Mr. DISRAELI was of opinion that important business
ought to he brought on immediately after the holidays, not-
withstanding the absence of the hon. member for Montrose.
After a few words from Lord J. MANNERS, the vote
was *gifted to.
Upon the vote of 324,5391. far ri‘ w works, improvements,
and repairs in the yard.. &e.,
Sir W. MOLESWORTH ohjoetrd to the passing of such
an enormous sum. He proposed to step the works, end
moved r an amendment a reduction in the vote of 14e,0001.
Sir F. BARING opposed the amendment, upon the
ground that it would be both unwise and impolitic to stop
the works._

Mr. HENRY DRUMMOND was ecdentood to say that
there less &bundles' proof, in the remade of our v .yarers
of the piracies committed in the Borneo ',seers. The tribe;
might be at war usenet themselves, I ut they were not the
law pirates on tied account. The judgra,nt of every coast
at Si gapora had declared them to be pirates. TM
reason of thole attacks against Ss J. Brooke mac that ace?.
taitt person bad sought to obtain a share in his under.aking,
and had been disappointed; and hence the envenomed at-
tacks of Sir J. Brooke. Ho hoped the hon. gen.l, man would
allow tots question to be sully discussed wheu the vote for
Sir J. Brooks came before the hon...

Mr. COBDEN said the kon. mesa ,at was 'peaking of a
different set of tribe* from those he had alled'd to. He
spoke of Latium, but Sir J. Brooke did not live within 300
miles of that place • he was :icing on his own property is
the eguiromi character of a rajsh, and readying
2,0001. a year from the government as &weenier of
Labean and 6001 as consul tokis own court. libel
had besides appointed a deputy-goesreor et 1,2001. a
ear, sod the whole ialand was in confusion hectaaa the

ii.uteLant-evernor had miatonducted himself in the etrence
of the governor. (Hear, hi ar.) The boa. gentleman would
not tolerate join in England, end he hoped he was n.d going
to tolerate them In Borne.. He had no personal hostility
to Sir James Brooke; he sever sew him in his life; he
had never come into contact with Lim, bat he had a right to
speak of him on public route's when he was casied on to
Tot* away the money of hie conitituents. (Hear, hag.)
He had a right to speak of him when he was called on to
vote 100,0001. where no grounds had been ah two fsr the
claim, and where these privets, if pirates tbsy wire, were
only disputing 101011aSi. themselves. (Hear, bear )
Mr. DUEMMOND said that it was very pronehle that
the depredations of these pirates extended over 31)0 mile!,
because they had large deep rivers, along which they sailed.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. COBDEN said that !sebum was at the elm mity of
the island, anti Sarawak wel at the norh west 0,3.4', and a
person must go by tea to get there. (Hear, hear.) Ile was
u:t doing to let the hon. gentleman tiff that way. (" Hear,
hear," and taught. r.)
Mr. PLO WDEN splice from his sun kitowle.'ge as to the
d,sperate piracies committed in she Jaeaneee s• as by the
maritime; tribe against whom toe British ships bed recently
beeneopaged.. .

Mr. li.ll:lGfiT remarked that all the facts ment'oned by
the hon. memb r referred to dates previous to 1916. No
modern evidenco had been adduced to lastil the Vote
Sir G. BAKING viewed the opposition to tho vlte le a
stigma upon the ot6e. rs who had gallantly performA a (hi.
agreeable and dangerous duty. He explained th.. Nal rra.
promise rrquisite beicre the head-money could be &hotted,
and showed that it involved a suttltient inquiry into the fact
of a piracy.
MlCtorther discussion!olt)wel, anti. which

Tha ATTUItNEY,GENERAL. observed that the cos.

mine* wore debating upjn a point which an act of par:is
mint already pa.s_d had Wiwi out of their di‘cretion.
It was ordered by that statute that the money now asked
should be paid, aid, without repealing the act, they cold
not refuse it.

The O'GORMAN MARON reed from ea ofcia returt
the bummer, of 2d laratical attacks %too,. 11. itish vossals
the Horatio etas mote 1539 Tao opposaitivo to tee grant
he dcsiinited cc "twaddle."

Col. iIiONIPSON indinnwly denounced the ►tmaties
which men calliog themselves CMT:41.111111cluld commit., and
a British parliament could sanction sad reward.
Mr Syduey Herbert, Mr. 1111 M, and the Attorneyj.Gette•
ral, having followed with sense explanations regaling S.r
J. Brooke,
. .

The committee divided on an amendment for postponing
the vote.

For the amendment 2O
Apintt it

The emendmeat was consequently Est, the vote was
aereed te, the house resumed, and t to report was ordered w
bo received to-morrow (this day).
EXCHEQUER BILLS (3,535,7001) BILL.
This bul was r..ad a Pecoad time.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
The co r mittee on this bill was postponed.
PUBLIC HEALTH (SCOTLAND) BILL.
_ . _ _

In ri pl to Mr. OSWALD,
B.r G. GREY cud he could not state wheth,r this bill
would be pr:ceedid with this session, as it depended upon
the progress of uther business

WEST INDIA APPEALS BILL.
This bill pursed through committees.
ALTERATION IN PLEADINGS DILL,
T his bill also passed through committee.
WOOD USED IN SIIIP-BUILDING..

The house having gone into committee on ,his in' ject,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Liutastsd
that it was his intention to oppose the further pr,zes.lui
on the rieolation of the hen. member for Bei .pert JIG
Mitchell), and wee proceeding to state his reasons, •h.n
Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the chairman repot
progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, but now took
•

Mr. PETO mid he bad inspected the works In question,
and that anything more beautiful he bad never seen • but
he advised the house to stop with the amount now proiXised.
Mr. COBDEN maintained ghat in voting now 120.0001.
for steam basins, it was only voting another step towards the
whole establishment, inasmuch as the sole intention in
building them huge basins was to cot struct huge factories
alongside of them. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman
having read a long extract from the report of the committees,
observed that it was their opinion that when they had com-
pleted thine factories there would be required for wages
alone in connection with them no less a sum than 80,0001.,
which they all knew implied an outlay of 30 or 40 per cent.
mere for changes. It was not a question whether they
would stop at 120,0001., but whether they would complete the
Whs. The committee had decided that keeping up those
establishments was utterly useless, and he was therefore
Egeole.l to a vote which, in order to make it available, must
deateseensiderable annual expenditure. He would,
l his hon. friend in his endeavour stop
Obese work= to
altogether.
Six F. BARING assured the hon. gentleman that there
was not a sixpence in the estimate intended for factories,
and that nothing should be done respecting them without
bringing it before the house for consideration.
Admiral BOWLES urged the necessity of building a
steam ballast Plymouth, as a step of vital importance to
England as a maritime power.
Mr. MACGREGOR supported the vote.
Mr. BRIGHT replied to the argument that it was m-
ensal to hate thole establishments in order to meet concur-
rent steps on the pert of Francs, by showing that France
had not. but that we had, extensive resources in our nume-
rous private establishments on the Clyde, the Mersey, and
the Thames, capable of meeting any emergency that was
likely to era*.
Kr. CORRY contended that it was necessary to have
ships ready built, and that it was en error to sup-
pose that France had not numerous dockyards along her
coast when steam vessels could be repaired.
Mr. COBDEN said at present in their steam manufacto-
ries they manufactiared boilers. He thought they would do
better not to manufacture boilers at all, but to contract
for them. Then might be a great difference of opinion be-
tween civilians and professional men, as to the amount of
forme they should keep up in time of peace. He believed
that professional men, if they had their way, would have
constantly maintained a force as great as that which we had
in the French war, and they had no thought or care fre the
expense. He did not think it wise to impose them great
burdens on the people in time of pesos ; he was quit*
ready to run the risk, rather than bare the burden.
After a few words Orem Mr. Cony, Admiral Bawlee, and
Capt. Harris,
Sir W. MOLEBWORTH said if under this vote it was not
intended to include any outlay for factory buildings, he would
not persist in his amendment.
Sir F. BARING said then was nothing for factory
buildings included In this Tote.
The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 27,1301. for medicines and medical sterns was
agreed to without remark.
The next item was 107,3301. for miscellaneous services.
Mr. COBDEN said in this sum 100,0001. was included for
the capture of pirates, and the destruction of enemies' Wisc.
He asked for an explanation of that.
Lord D. STUART would like to know how many
enemies' ships bad been captured, and how many piratioal
meads had been taken ? lie had not heard that we had BOARD OF HEALTH, &o.
telot
been at war lately. Oa the motion of Sir G. Purieu., some 1.
Sr F. BARING said they had had several discussions to the expenditure of the Board of Health owl L wan'
relating to heed money for pirates. 20,0001. of this was for sinners of Lunacy were ordered.
the capture of the Borneo pirates. The house adjourned at twenty minutes attar '2 0't1046

place. -
On oar te-admisaion,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was al-
dressing the bouts. He said he was of opinion the s'd
drawbacks should be put an end to as tar as p goita.e. The
' only mode in which it had been suggested that direr draw-
backs on timber used in shipbuildtng coed be carnet J3l,
was by employing the surveyors et Lloyd's ; but the number
of vessels to which this would apply amounted
only a third of the registered vessels is the king,'.om.
and by far the greater number of vessels wthl3
were thus surveyed the drawback would not spp:y to, as
they were vessels of • superior description. Vit:n ward
to fishing boats and coasting vessels and heroes o! that
de-
scription, ao check whatever was proposed. l' not quite
true there was • drawback on timber used t r 'oadditut
churches, but that was an example rather to b. avoided
than followed, and in the case of churches the quantity
need could be easily 'ascertained. He did tot mean
to say that these drawbacks would cause any scums
loss to the revenue. Of course, on the other
the benefit would be but small. But he thought it wound
open a great door to fraud. (lieu, hear.) At 'he same
time, he was bound to say that the whole gate
of the timber duties was most unsatisfactory. Mu)
of the least valuable timbers paid • very high
duty, and many of the most valuable timber raid
no duty at all, and he hoped the hon g. ntleman
suppose from anything he had said, that he should present
an obstacle to the revision of these duties. He enured that
the chairman leave the chair.
Mr. CARDWELL thought the house was quite justified
in the resolution they came loon a former evening roPeculf
this drawback.
Mr. MITCHELL said the expense of employint
surveyor would only be 11. for each verse •1, sal it would he.
therefore, entirely a matter fur the c-naideration of the
owners of small vessels, whether it was worth ,hile to go to
that expense. And he did not think th er th-y could rot
t °vide against fraud. He proposed that there should Ns
certificate that that the wood had paid duty and the name 01
the importer it was purchased from.
After a few words from the CIILNCCI.I.OR of the IF 5,•1.,5•
faUfill, in explanation of the statement lie 11:.d 011 s
previous occasion,
Mr. WYLD expressed his belief that no fraud had beta
occasioned by the drawback on timber used iu maths.
Mr. RICARDO supported the motion, on the ground
that under the new navigation laws, any amount of foreign
timber knocked together in the shape a • ship escaped the
duty, while the raw article, which would give empioymellt
to our artisans, was subject to • heavy duty. At present. 410
olusitleatiou at Lloyd's depended on the bind ofanther em-
ployed in the construction of moils; and the ammo test Mk"
be applied under the proposed medlars.
The committee then divided ct
For the amendment
Against it
The chairman left the chair sccordiustly, sal the bout*
retuned.

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