The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-10-20 00:00:00

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400114 °- -0-T. WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
41 f there ar
~,,onepf tiot,:f Austria i. are rave suspicions of the good
l'icoVT, eati4, her e u,earrying out the boasted reduc-
.o _ normou' • i %14 lip her r 1 army—an anny which is
~.
110/1 telit_feit
upon the
seems to be no
,I)sito, tile eotkity, Thisla the important point of her
coivie, which is her safety in
1-13orld' ;linillting eti
spat: 41,th ' 'lois, and Sweden
diffused satisfaction in
„ et N., and ueed be S*etden ; for, if it be persisted
'4' real
the _ ue no apprehensions of an European
„ , re_ to b revolutionary elements must be con
eeiii•littlime e ' Supposing Austria to
'f!e,riletirnit.r4twill no concern with the amount
itt,4eth7 . IVhether it be corroding her vitals
~v.e,,s3ifi 40110411,1 be essential for her cohesion as ti,
1:1110'41 tlie'otbe ItiaTer4, the expense of bankruptcy, we
11;40 Ate other;
but no
particular anxiety one way or
Free %,,e•ation of Ewe
.gre gravely interested in the
European peace, and on this account
CO qu°i" in tl
of kre e iiiiiiinieDnentrality of Austria.
~s
.have, reached. the Government
reodol ilkli 4 welt a
omi tt4,_Pre,a.,_
.e the Government of France, which
olio thLosole'n:,ea both Powers for a decided, if not
~, IZllate t', rejection of the :Turkish demand to
Prr. rditi I" Principalities. Both are prepared
la, N• g 37and
,1 ti, Iwa ' the, utmost harmony prevails.
t 1 twechelloati; ttlllveore such' a perfect entente cordiale be-
ac_„, titet
~, eat nationl, as exists now between the
liJu'i te crr,r,,_ Nesters,powers. From what I har, the
s.,1100: Nrt,ig to"rbe,eif t, h, e united fleets do enter the Black
pow .r 4, 4 . go it !
Irlea7 ~\'''N.l '8 no particular news in the -foreign or
,pt ek,, c 4,._ .
~, 4e bbominals this morning; but the Daily
5.27 t Dottreef the same agency, I suppose, which
dJO Ne'le,ha°r it the first copy of the Manifesto of the
0 Ll' th "to s got hold of the letter sent by Omer
we- (44a,tifeount Gortschakoff, when sending him
, de erOoe_esto. It is in the same tone as all the
co! eliNetitu_tnents issued on the part of Turkey—
,ra ti0(440% '‘,..vhich give to the misbeliever over the
all, ,k,nr.istian, all the advantages of modera-
olk 1,4 giustice.
0' 014 e foil •
0 to erp,,_,(Aving is a translation of the letter from
4ael:,,u,Aa to Prince Gortschakoff, calling on him
0 li tti1104,42 the Principalities :_.
,) ii ),,teltat have
le General—lt is by tke order of
lettergo 0 oeboy. nave the honour to address this to your
1 A e0t16,7 11118 t 4.,
1 F kgplatioliTe Sublime Porte has exhausted all means of
kto the r.,‘o maintain at once peace and its own indepen
0 l' Ve, Iva,"urt of Russia has not ceased to raise difficulties
.01, k pO4 ',of any such settlement, and has ended with the
elsii t'l'clavia °t.. treaties—invading the two Principalities of
,al,. ,P,',,re. and Wallachia, integral parts of the Ottoman
' tyrue ~.,
timig it, :4, its pacific system, the Porte, instead of exer-
I) 'ltLtc:gali,,totoTake reprisals, confined itself even then to
h., an ..1. did not deviate from the way that might
Ltd 4
tett Itsia
arrangement.
is di„i'patts:l?ll the contra:lT, far from evincing corresponding
'pale 4likel the 'alias ended by rejeding the proposals recortunen-
th 11,,,Nesngust mediatmg Courts- proposals which were
iejt, k'',;;, '417 to the honour and to the security of the
'
.3
P'' 440 e
Ira it ki„ ty
o,ollly remains 'for theT lett*. the indispensable
' 1(.,.it.'4 vio', war. But as-the invasion of the Principalities,
Pt,',l)le iation of treaties which have attended it, are the
dl,4ll.oll,f,c,Tises of war, the Sublime Porte, as a last ex-
, _,. !",r4/Ilit pacific sentiments, proposes to your Excellency,
'or { Vt"to, 4 vention, the evacuation of the two provinces, and
s' 1 4tlh, " ,Icallt decision a term of fifteen days, to date from
1 0 14 ''t ' (It this letter. If within this interval a negative
~/)t kz
, °fl.ll,2each me from your Excellency, the commence-
Yotlr NeN,, hies will be the natural consequence.
413D,,,teei1.,4 have the honour to make this intimation to
IN% '„lley, I emhrace the opportunity to offer the
I 114 ° th. °' my high esteem." - '
10 0 N summons
__,/ y. rem. the Russian General is said to
lo 1 to 4eyr'ed, that " Ru‘ssia was not at war with
te,evatti that in any season he would be prepared
--- i Oki ate the Principalities, as soon as his mas-
i' etta obtained the moral satisfaction which he
,lefeallcled; and that-if he were attacked he would
' The himself"
4e Patrie gives-news from St. Petersburg of
10t1
iet„, 1, according to which the Emperor had
4,, 'u. military Measures of the utmost impor-
,e. A
D. , n army vas be destined for operations
/0 ''_'Lltope, and theitroops in Poland and other
e' es were to be called into activity.- The same
to al adds that the Emperor had declared that
_-. . \\Tar against Turkey would be one of exter-
Sq.t9 41e chief
. The appointment of Prince Paskiewitch
,
10-Lity Lit egkeihief command is confirmed, and a corps
J3nt,R,..k ) men occupying Poland, placed at his dis-
of the ' ;t\'', 41te Presse of Vienna announces that the
eti 'al ~.._
cro,.t9loieral Parnoukine, near Warsaw, and the
i2the",er General Stabt, had been ordered to
fjt94) k'ruth. .' . .
tha, p ~,eonstaritinople we have accounts to the
of '410„ in the .various communications bearing
til the '' before us, we gather thatto the manifesto
11,y ROv
1 ernment the nation had replied with en-
!till NU.
!II b Weil The army is described as eager for war,
i44te, disci lined. There are 130,000 regulars
qthe .1:e, and 70,000 in Asia. Another manifesto
111,ttr°11rse of publication in the shape of a
eap'l p, order to the army, is stated to have " a
0 tiDouounced tint of Mohammedanism." It
thlht 4 the faithful, in the name of the Koran,
4 f
qle.lt.a4Ple battles ,o justice,. and whoever feels
t, 01 'of that firmness and strength of mind
rty ea ,
t,is.itiah,nstitutes courage, has but to declare his
I qoa "niiity to' be employed elsewhere. A depu-
kke°,fithe Armenian clergy, bankers, and lead-
ort ee 'ilteers of the corporations, presented them-
rOtir, ,`',the Porte on. the sth, for the purpose of
,11,1,,e6(itneir services. They were most graciously
and thanked by the ministers, who could
14 dift
Fiolui CUlty suppress their delight at this sport.
act of loyalty.

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FRANCE,

O4lte kt'r' Si
Me of Tuesday gives an account of the
11,ns „, oCbt Goudchaux, the banker and ex-Mini-
inance. The charge against him in the
Lwas that of being possessed of arms and of
ili°).,\‘',"lliated to secret societies. Nothing, how-
ptts found to substantiate this charge among
41,
ree • There 'was a great number of receipts
I,lti,°4l,leY
.given to the necessitous families of
ON. t, exiles, and these were all kept by the
'l,lq(,'„ but M, Goudchaux, after a detention of a
1N114.1.8, Was set at liberty. The Presse of Tuesday
1/211% g speaks of several other political arrests at
t,,44llßiii-11:1 in the . departments. At Nantes, M.
sen., the proprietor of a paper, and his
(1,11 °cp been arrested:. M. Maugin is a leading
ttbuie party, but it is not believed that he has
-Ming seriously,to compromise himself.

4USTRIA

4') re
\l.,eteq bards the new loan, said to have been con-
tlwltl-1 Messrs. Rothschild, contingent on a
base,it the Vienna correspondent-of the Chro-
ko iis that there is not a word of truth about
t,,ad," he adds, " the Russo-Turco affairs
p' European money- market in general
Stan I‘,-0 more favourable turn, I dare say, a new
1111,,41 d have been negotiated. But at present
V°111)" of the question. I may also add, upon
te
authority, that the Austrian govern-
c-11 do very well without a loan at present.

ITALY

LAI
tt
4474t0 et from Florence, of the 12th, in the Par-
tO T •
I,c)t b Turin, states that Miss Cunninghame
e forced out of prison, morally at least, if
te qt. Nll •NI a. 3, since she would not accept of her
St4l4 a favour, but as a ,right. The official who
a lc
46 a_ited to her the order for her liberation
Nalt;leti to inform her that he had full power
4t i 4141,1 her leave her prison, whereupon she
cl b a certificate in due form, stating that
een forcibly ejected
AN.AZ

t{Ncl'oti)oNATioN.—ller Majesty the Queen, has
tl;ation of £5O in aid of the "Scottish Ladies'
VtiN, , for promoting female Industrial Education in
14,N1,..`Pecially in the Highlands and Islands."
CtNil \;)111'4 VACATION.—On Monday next the long
,V%;(11' terminate, when pleadings in actions in the
fitittli:kttlll,4s will bo resumed. The Common Law Pro-
diminished the force of the vacation.
iii ,"'W COMMISSION ON BANKRUPTCY.—The
Nt' under th 6 new commission, appointed to in-
°Alaw of bankruptcy, will be held on the Ist of
t 4
309 a, tlie,
114,, Of4,A AND COAL.—Where are just now within
1. f:4llai,khi I,`" fewer than 254 merchant, or trading vessels,
`IY Q" are loaded with coal, which article, from being
_.w
mt," during the last fortnight,. has so accumu-
•k:NheNat 11„,in the' ast few days it has fallen some 4s per
" "(0 erCUT
14 ter 'ro.Nv Y•
tifetda 2tati, NI SAILOR'S HOME.—The Cork Southern
Lki 'ae '8
that funds are every day being contributed
04)' b Ntablishriient of the Queenstown Sailors' Home,
1/4Yt tee bOdies, but by individuals, and that
"°e t;octilent contributors, the Cork Steam Ship Com-
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COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO THE
LOCAL CHARGES ON SHIPPING.

Yesterday, a public meeting was held by the Hon. John
Henry Manners Sutton, Charles Ramsay Drinkwater Bethune,
~nd Colin Blackburn, her Majesty's commissioners for in-
iring into the local charges on shipping in the ports of the
ted kingdom and islands of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney,
and Man, in the Nisi Prius Court, St. George's Hall.
~yond the parties immediately interested, the attendance
was very limited. Amongst those present we observed, on
behalf of the corporation, Mr. Shuttleworth, town-clerk ; Mr.
Toppin, Mr. Venn, and Mr. Hughes. The dock committee was
represented by Mr. Charles Turner, chairman; Mr. J. North,
solicitor, and Mr. Mason, the secretary. Mr. Powles, chair-
Man of the Birkenhead dock trustees ; Mr. Bramah, the
secretary ; Mr. Greene, chairman of the Birkenhead' town
commissioners, were also present. Mr. Sinclair and Mr.
Thonipson represented the Garston Dock and Railway. Com-
pany. Mr. Thomas: Bold, Mr. Robert Lamont, Mr. J.
Holmes, Mr. J. K. Rtunthwaite, and several other gentle-
men connected with th shipping interest of the port, were
present. . ,

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Sutton) said, the first thing he had
to dO was to read the commission, which ran as follows :
"Whereas we have deemed it expedient that a commis-
sion should forthwith issue for inquiring into local charges
upon shipping in the ports of the united kingdom and islands
of Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, and Man : Now know ye, that
we, reposing great confidence in your zeal and ability, have
authorized and appointed, and do by these presents autho-
rize and appoint, you the said John Henry Thomas Manners
Sutton, Charles Ramsay Drinkwatcr Bethune, and Colin
Blackburn to be our commissioners for the purposes afore-
said : and our gill and pleasure is, that you, or any one or
more of you, shall especially inquire into all charges (other
than duties of customs payable to us, our heirs or successors,
pilotage charges, fees, or other sums payable to the Board of
Trade, tolls, or payments payable to the corporation of the
trinity house of Deptford Strand, the commissioners of the
northern lighthouses, or the corporation for preserving and
improving the port of Dublin in respect of lighthouses,
lights, floating lights, beacons, buoys, or other marks or
signs for the sea, and rates or payments payable to the said
trinity house in respect of lastage, or ballastage in or near
the River Thames,) which arc levied or leviable in any part
of the ports or harbours of the united kingdom, or of the
islands of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark, and Man, by
any person or persons, body corporate, or local authority.
upon ships, or upon goods carried in ships, whether in the
nature of passing tolls or otherwise, and to report upon the
nature and amount of such charges, the title or authority in
law under which the same are levied, the application of the
same, and whether and how far they are applied to any pur-
pose from which the person paying the same derives any
benefit ; also upon the exemptions, if any, of any particular
persons or classes of persons from any of such charges."
The CHAIRMAN, after reading the commission, continued
to observe : The returns which the commissioners have

received, have been full in every respect, and so satisfactory,
that in fact as regards the enquiry, we have very few
questions to ask. The principal object of the commissioners,
therefore, in coming to Liverpool, was to afford to any
person interested in the matter, an opportunity of making
any statement or observation connected with it, -which he
might wish to address to the commissioners. As regards
the information which we desire to obtain, as I said before,
really there is hardly anything which has not been already
furnished to the Commissioners.
Mr. CHARLES TURNER said as chairman of the dock
committee, he attended there with the dock solicitor and
secretary, for the purpose of giving her Majesty's commis-
sioners information. If there were any information, on any
point required by the commissioners, they should be happy
to give it.
The CHAIRMAN : The returns are so full, and in every
respect so entirely complete, really we have but one or two
questions to put. We will finish our part of the enquiry,
and after that we shall be prepared to hear any remarks
any person wishes to make.
The TOWN CLERK said the answers which the commis-
sioners had received from him, related merely to the dues
which were received by the corporation. The answers
were not at all applicable to dues received by the trustees
of the docks.
The CHAIRMAN
separate things

No, I am quite aware they are two

A docl

Mr. BRAMAH, Secretary to the Birkenut—
trustees, wished to ask whether Birkenhead was
included in the :remarks made by the chairman, relative to
this enquiry. The representatives of Birkenhead docks
had received a number of inquiries, to _which they had
replied, and he thought •fit to volunteer some remarks with
respect to levying town dues on tonnage at Birkenhead
docks ; and he had only to ask that if the commissioners
were satisfied that the representation he had made, brought
the matter clearly before the commissioners, and that it
would form a part of the report, he had nothing further
to trouble the committee with. If, on the other hand,
the commissioners thought there was a doubt on the
question, or if it were not sufficiently clear on their minds.

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to the real operation and effect of this thing, he should
prepared to call witnesses who would set the matter
.rfectly straight before them.
Mr. POWLES asked whether the commissioners would hold
enquiry in Birkenhead ? Iu that case they should take a
ifferent course here, if it was the intention of the commis-
ioners to hold an enquiry in Birkenhead. Had they any
such intention ?
The CHAIRMAN : No, the observations I made had refer-
ence to the answers received to the questions, sent by the
commissioners. Those answers are very full and complete,
both as regards Liverpool to which I alone addressed my ob-
servations at,the time and, I may add, they are perfectly
complete as regards Birkenhead. It is not, at present, the
intention of the commissioners to hold a local court of en-
quiry at Birkenhead, and it will be obvious that any observa-
tions which those interested in Birkenhead may wish to ad-
dress to the Commissioners with respect to the Liverpool
docks ; it is much better they should be addressed to the
commissioners in Liverpool than in Birkenhead. It will
give an opportunity to parties in Liverpool to reply to the
observations if they think it desirable. With reference to
what has fallen with regard to Birkenhead, the commission-
ers think it better that any observations which you may
make or bring before their notice with respect to the effect
of the Liverpool dues on Birkenhead, should be addressed to
them here, for the same reason as stated before, it would give
the opportunity of further remarks.
the.
BRAMA.H said nothing further only bringing it for-
ward. He did not mean to occupy their time and reiterate,
viva voce, what he had returned to the commissioners in writ-
ing. He had nothing more to say if his answers had esta-
blished in their minds the existence of the fact.
The CHAIRMAN thought it would be more satisfactory if
the fact were stated then.
Mr. TURNER said the commissioners had received no an-
swer from the dock committee.
The CHAIRMAN : I know we have not.
Mr. TURNER should like to address a few observations
about the dock corporation, -which was not a beneficial one
at all.
The CHAIRMAN: The fact is the docks of Liverpool are
regulated by act of parliament.
Mr. TURNER : By several.
Mr. NORTH : As the chairman has just explained you have
not received any return to questions sent to the Liverpool
dock trustees, for the reasons which I will shortly explain
if I may be allowed to do so. I gathered both from the
terms of the commissioner, and beside from what passed at
the board of trade, when the dock chairman, the town
clerk, and myself, had the honour of an interview with Mr.
Cardwell on the subject of the commission, and still more
from the terms of the act of Parliament itself, forbidding the
mortgage and charge of shipping rates with a view to
the present enquiry. I collected that the object of this
commission was principally, if not exclusively, to enquire
into such charges levied on shipping, as the shipping trade
might not receive a corresponding benefit from ; and I felt,
therefore, that the enquiry was foreign entirely. to the con-
stitution of the Liverpool dock estate, which is a separate
corporation existing under acts of parliament, from the time
of Queen Anne downwards, managed by a committee of
twenty-four members, of whom one-half are elected by the
dock ratepayers, and half the number by the town council
out of their own body ; and whose funds are received and
applied exclusively for the beneficial purposes of the manage-
ment and maintainance of the docks and harbours of Liver-
pool, without any private interest or emolument whatever.
I felt, therefore, that the answers to those enquiries, so far
as the dock committee are concerned, as you have indicated,
are contained in the volume of statutes, which regulate their
whole proceedings. Their history may be compressed into
half-a-dozen of words. They levy under those acts of par-
liament, tonnage dues on shipping, and dues on goods, to
the amount of, in round numbers, £300,000 per year, which
is applied, as I have already said, exclusively for the pur-
pose of promoting the interest of the port and harbour. It
is hardly for any purpose which may not be considered only
local, but national : the ships not only of the whole king-
dom, but' of every maritime country, having the same
advantage and the same use of the Liverpool docks that our
shipping has. With that explanation which I have taken
the liberty of making, I did myself the pleasure of calling (d.
your office, in Loudon, three months ago, but I found you
had then gone on your circuit. T then made the same ex-
planation to your clerk, but I could receive no authority
from him, and I told him I would take the opportunity of
laying this statement before the committee, and take your
opinion. If, after what I have stated, anything is required
from the dock committee, which is germ= to the object of
this enquiry, we shall gladly give it. We have nothing to
conceal, we wish for every publicity.
The CHAIRMAN : You have an annual account of the dock
committee ?
Mr. Nonni : The annual accounts are Printed and pub-
lished, and laid before parliament.
The CHAIRMAN : That printed account and this act of par-
liament contain everything ?
Mr. NORTH : Everything. I can give you.
The CHAIRMAN : In fact they answer all our ques-
tions. _ _ .

Mr. NORTH : I think so, entirely.
The CHAIRMAN : The result is the same. The commis-
sioners have before them, as far as I am aware, the fullest
information they require, with regard to the decks. I think
it right to prevent misapprehension, that I should state the
commissioners do not quite concur in the view you (Mr.
North) take of the object of the commission, Their