The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-09-18 00:00:00

WEST DERBY UNION.

11le usual weekly meeting of this board was held yesterday,
board room, Mill-street. Mr. Edwards presided. The
Ot4°lo ther members present were—Messrs. Craig, Richmond, Abra.
Vrenstey, Lunt, Johns, Siddeley, Evans, Eras, Morris,
c't3'144,1) Wilson, 13aynes, Johnson, Heyes, and Dr. Hume,

rl„
RETURNS.
ttth'L." Clerk reprirted that he had examined all the books kept
e Several ofhcials connected wail the union, and found
iaoull.th4Wa
do therec,ke.e t
a,i
rc,s:si.
lueut all correct. The master of the hospital reported thaten
•ceterea,67 patients in the institution, since
.wh.
16 discharged, and 1 death • remaining,
rt- tiu• ror the corresponding week of last year, 53'. Cheques to
dour aruDent of £2OB were voted for the relief
.of the otit-
sn"t Pear within the several districts of the union. The tiler of the workhouse reported that last week there were
Paupers in the workhouse, since when 29 had. been
s
rnitted 1 born, 31 discharged, and 2 deaths; remaining this
°tit' 609; for the corresponding week of last year, 593.
THE FINANCES•
t N Clerk to the bo a ated that, as the tradesmens' bills
el-poll6rlt betlyoaviderupon Saturday next, it would be necessary to call
thea :it" seers to pay all the arrears due.
eti_rne rnotion of Mr. Abrahams, seconded by Mr. Morris,
seentieerk was instructed to call upon the overseers of theunder
tl,o6:ed toWnships to pay the following arrearsT :—Everson,
,221 i.
r.G.ars, ton, £39; Netherton, £4l ; d oxtetli Park
West Derby,
116 ' ""•trttale, £1.(,() ; Sepliton, .ElO6, an
, 4 los, making, in all, £5,749 6s Bd.
GOVERNOR'S C HILDiIE
gevkernlootitr. was tile
read from the poor law board relating to the
the
45,"1..e.ral board
Zlllldren residi
6 children. The letter was to the effect that
nlv,,ould give their consent to the three youngest
6 in the workhouse, on the understanding tat
theei,teaater be required to repay the guardians fni• the cost of
tequir retaintenanCe tin that house, but Gist they would
cotdheltlt"°'eldes4 who is of an age to obt,,in employment, to
jusrionct
It' towards his own suppost, the hoard not feeling
'theArse ,:1 allowing him to he -maintained iu the workhouse.
1 tt -4°S conversa",, the Clerk was directed to answer
-1," etlitetTati" • teneldest child was a girl and not a two
emiltlst-4Y. l'oe6oltuhtiaotnt had been passed to admit the
/I/lt 41., .4 tile Wetkhouse free of cost.
I'll httPUTE WITH MR. SHAW AND THE POOR LAW
kr Iv
BOARD.
114b°** lisen : I see, by the public papers, that, atthelast
kalrits: ?• the board, a special committee was appointed to
ef4,letter sent hear' Shaw. I soulmdmlitteeeto see a
has to
snake
0..00 letter, and what report the co
1 The puit•
4,,lsittr tCetk: The letter itself is the report. I will. read the
lallowi-n-4t was sent to the Poor-law Board on the subject. The
ky 1.,g0 I t t e y was then read :-....
MI are„, arch and Gentlemen,—Your letter of the 6th instant,
.41,1' te-
t° the Rev. Wm. Badnall, chairman of this union,
411-PecitY tt° 4 Colllnulti.ication. sent by him, with reference to t.
dians in
het' ee 'the ad • • t Con of relief by the
let.
,administration ra i
%awl/ together with a copy of a letter from Mr.guar Richard
dicelll 54.11:e Poor-law Board, dated the 30th tilt , were read at
seed
b.,413' meeting held yesterday, and I was therefore
1444P0 reply thereto, under the direction of a
Johns, committee,
Ni led of
the
following' gentlemen, viz :—Messrs.
Messrs.
IteP'i 4141 Wilson,rdians for Toxteth-park ; H
td eY and Lunt, guardians for West Derby ; Messrs. H.
h Nrd, 4 guardians
:—adiaa ;1. Elias, guardians, for Everton ;. Mr. Medcalf,
I'tlie.irn,°,r ICirkdale': and Mr. Batten, guardian f.orWalton-
41ed CI, "i• And such committee having met this day, have
, It ~ resolutions, of which the following is a copy :—.•
oare:al resol " • ly—" That the committee,
ol ° eenliderevr thuenalnetwitereuaaddressed by Mr. Shaw to the
'le lsikvi Board e
-re that , bearing date the 30th tilt , are. compelled to
‘litlecl,thas the the whole purport of. such letter is utterly untrue,
'event. statements it contain have no foundation, save
The 0,„ I°/1 of the writer,"
4011 mii7ruroittee would otice, in particular, the first allegaf-
ctilat 4 Mr. Shaw, namely, that the usual attendance o
-4141 41 at this union' at their weekly meetings, average
‘3l' th, e.,ve to fifteen ; union,
it is proved, by an inspection
e
Ilresenloute.book, that, during tho twenty-one weeks of t help Year, the total number' of attendances has been 434,
Itleeti° a.",rag° of upwards of twenty guardians
.at each
tole
tit JILI Pais-statement, however, is rendered still more
litena"l° 11 the assertion to which it is annexed, viz., thatfr
-:4eterh °f these twelve of the guardians are members o .°,l_ the2ark, thereby conveying the impression that the whole
Zerehynearnrdins of that township are always present, and
they ail 1,,,,, P4O a majority of this board ; whereas,
.not only
-4s.y i ' luapossible for them to form such a majority, were
At ,l'eaent but the committee find that, during the
arcteth.: ar, the total attendance of the nine guardians from
the park
i,,(' atite,, Not-16er 131 only, while seven guardians from
pbtettdedtintrnshps, viz., West Derby and Everton, have
era the less than 123 times, irrespective
The retnaining townships in, the union. of the guardians
Aleut
itearlarnittee deny, in the most emphatic terms, the state-
,44iodi 1,1°4 lir. Shaw, that the guardians for Toxteth-park
,othesat--,,,ePon the cases' from their own township merely,
'Patipo "relief given by them is less than the amount given
hettesheyraahlerliirageable to other townships.
sn a of the deny (and this denial expressed by. those mem-
j/tust To,,
theornmittee now being present, not being guardians
elh'ne*".Nrk), that When the guardians for any other
iwevnelfl tiOlaBta,tea._ their opinion with respect to the relief to be
ch ited for
Bv pauper from Toxteth-park, they are generally
l'l h 5 dojo
but on the contrary, they assert that Mr.
14 el off " 1 . board than all
. other erect more deliberate insults to the
each eth guar more
together have ever done towards him or
tpesetrnitree: during the recollection of the oldest member of the
TollPers ha., And, with reference to tho statement that
hst the I, ''' rttlaoVed from T h park into other townships
k'ii..ttseetielleiP:"!)f obtaining aelxartgete .a.-mount of relief, the corn-
of the
Ilittactl. itio4lr_u that they. never knew of a sin sstoed.oa th:° el, in order to show how litgtilee instancereliance can be
the le so.".state.ruent of Mr. Shaw, with r( ference to . the
• cem_olee relief is administered to the poor in this union,
51145,ttie:iol!tee are desirous that the Poor Law Board should be
,1611gaetecittilat the administration of relief is the first business
'tie acted ev the \Vest Derby Union Guardians at their weekly
?tr. k,5 , %lad they do n t
last ay was _ . o remember a single occasion when
ks!aud that resent at the commencement
,of
.th.e proo..ceaed_-
h:eber eith no has never within the reco lection i any
ie. Zireinist_ e.M3aniittee taken anything like his due shareay_f
14_ eea (until of relief, his usual time of attendance() hours
etZt.e isi'ailttcill. Within the last few week.), at least
.tw h
ealttes s tans have been engaged in their duties. The
tottillri rte
nuearvte. also to notice a further obligation of. Mr.
sisterealt tht° ala guardians have expressed a determination
chat chat that 11.4181 tLe orders of the Poor.lawßoard,
foundation
for a
I,4rott's so --11;t_ , haw has not the slightest
corn.
%A :t WeemerlY devoid of truth. In
.conclusion,the ittiAll the oppo .Itit upon record their unanimous conviction
l
liss„el of ts2'ht.klu Which Mr. Shaw has evinced to t get:t,hnseffar(ilard, is not. entertained by a single emgseemubne.r
fert,!auseti„' d that his conduct has of late been
lible tre, I.ld unbecoming, that they
.have resolvehdnbewnc.e.-
..'_' et i 11.,.. his statements, whether written or spo
"atletil viliere
.l ,„.„jnee•--I• have the honour to be, my lord and
~11° th:ii-0--...7r nbedient servant, WILLIAM CLEAVER,
Ott. el, 'II.IW Board London. Union Clerk.
'" he fur : If 1 ' I Chairman, I ask
Th •4rnishe4 , alas not out of order, A r.
s ee e ehai o with a copy of that letter.
411'7 of it:Tan : There can be no objection to his having
k,,,, $h suppose. (Cries of " no, no ; let him have
oll,ll° 011: May I be allowed a copy of it ?
:414ertients.ets : Re can haveaeopy of it if the board has no
, the
ssats;
the -,e ,„„,•B°,° , I think we must all feel deeply obliged
the Zatterc)—`l„,ittee for the trouble they have taken in
f koasaao,and abat letter clearly expresses the character o
...al), ex
44.0 r, sha
l''
it
111 Presses the fpoLug or tho wholc,
PI 1 aill W : I e .
rlda he as Chap a wish to say a few words. to the board,
role 3! last, hif aa possible. I was in London. up to
ler!' told m but al What-was coming from Birkenhead, a friend of
14e) at th: should have been done, and what had been
hette put in t-0 r this(
on last Wednesday. As to what have
to
%Ingle re Papers about it, I cannot say, as I have never
sect, .1•°0 4;1'11 I have oly done what I consider m
ese4:. Yei, k'noW that the board do divide itself into
sourtiait'• that it • ii?"'" also that I have opposed it, because I
vihen
itee statelstillegai.
. I have repeatedly opposed it. The
kri 'aY wa'thPr"ohtkt,,tY cannot recollect a single insAtaltil cl
the 46th
re fit le, that
toio
.the business was goingb
ile ob Ittlelat. 'ell' memories must be as aodua.s that of
:11r4tehig,:eiere.t.8 4 ,:e.cill lie: :4111 Gang
a you will confine yourself to the
ivia_nnot sit helve nothing to do with the 46th regiment, and
to hear such nonsense.
ISystlltted, 4nenowast week You allowed my character to be
4own. ea you
_.,Yeu do not like for me to protect myself...
Are% I ask 1741 riot allow me to speak, then I will sit
kat at tho
eel'. Cleaver if be cannot recollect my being
Presetn.teleaver.l
~,Teneetnent of business.
M)4," • Yes, I recollect ono occasion when you were
t; c(Zibe4awve:r ':%l, y, once
1,1,- -,air,„,,,,,, 11....1 once,
tiea..s• haw . ~ • tte says he can only recollect one occasion.
ef
t't, be
pre* I shall be able to prove that I have man
y
the e hoard vEent• Well, after I was beaten by the majority
hit truth
coI Was in doubt, and I said that the only way that
ti:",s' Cleaver be ascertained was by applying to the auditor.
le boaed re seenael to have been in doubt, and ho wrote to
the,,s) Arrnii the 26th of August. [He then read the
si,s:e is ee„, , if I have made an error in the statements,
t "st 1 \ •sie excuse as I had no books or dates to go by, and
',Ore. 'fret°, I Wrote If
rod tttee h.- . rem my own recollection ; but the
to : that 1 ,
afe bad all the books before them ; I do assure
IN
th in:Tante idea of attempting to deceive any persoa, or
/ellll° eillirrn,sanra•Y:There can be no excuse for you, because
444eder°411 have obtained all the informationou if you had
Mr. Wi•t‘• You knew ono thing an(l stated another.
I`l, ua V Chair' I do not believe that ❑
I havey done so.
la tb ''
tnan : The letter is a proof of it. It is roof
~o.e satisfaction of the board that you. have done so. P
fi. tr. Shaw .
ote th , .. I have received an insulting communication
bot k e e"alrrnan and others, and Mr Elias said he did
stre.°':.who had signed it, until Mr. Edw. wards told him.
l The f!s_ila.ar: did -not say' Mr. Edwards told me.
••"04 man : It Was not an insulting communication, It

requested your attendance, and you ought to have felt com-
plimented at receiving it.
Mr. Shaw : This is the letter. Will you permit it to be
read to the board ? (Cries of "no, no.") Then the reporters
Ain. have it.

Here a letter was thrown upon the reporter's table, but the
chairman was about to pick it up, when Mr. Shaw made a
rush at it, and seized it, observing that it was his private
property, and turning to the chairman put his fist against his
face—a Za Bendigo—or any other pugilist.
This little fracas having blown off, Mr. Lunt said : I really
hope that our time will not be wasted by such disgraceful
--conduct. I move that the minutes be read L-

Mr. Shaw: As you will not hear nie, allow me to move
for the returns of the number of paupers for the last
three years. (Cries of " nonsense; don't waste our time any
longer.")
Mr. Medealf: Oh, let him have it. I will rescind thin
resolution.

Mr. Harrison : I will move that the returns bo not granted.
It is absurd to Baste the time of the clerk by asking for
it. I will move, as an amendment, that the returns be not
granted.

- This amendment was seconded, and carried all but
unanimously.
At the suggestion of the Chairman, the clerk read the
minutes, and the board adjourned.
[We have been requested by Mr. Shaw to ask the public
to suspend their judgment in this matter, until the Poor-law
Inspector has invest gated the whole of the proceedings, a
communication having been furnished last evening to London,
demanding an Inspector to be tent down for that purpose.—
ED. N. T.]

TETE NORTHERN TIMES.---LIVERPOOL, THURSDAY.

LIVERPOOL POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

(BEFORE MR. ALDERMAN TURNER.)

THE MORMONS,

On Tuesday, before a somewhat numerous audience, at
the Manchester Mechanics' Institution, Mr. Hawthorn-
thwaite, late an cider amongst the Latter-day Saints, in
that neighbourhood, gave an account of his atventures
in connection with them for the last eight teat's. Mr.
Hawthoruthwaite, who was educated by a clergyman at
Bury, commenced by relating hnv lie, as led to join the
Latter-day Saints ; he then detailed the steps of his pro-
motion as a priest and an elder. A large portion of the
discourse was then directed to the discoveries he made of
the immoral conduct of Elder Wheelock, who, he alleged,
has now several wives at the Salt Lake. Ile lived for
some time in the lecturer's house in Manchester ; whilst
there, he was visited bya your'', woman from Newport.
She was sickly at nights, and he (Elder Wheelock)
occupied the same bedroom for a fortnight. He took her
to the Theatre Royal five nights in one week, and on the
sixth night, on his return to Mr. Hawthornthwaite's
house from Coolie's Circus (then in Fountain-street),Mes;
Wheelock had unexpectedly arrived from Birmingham,
and a scene occurred which showed that bigamy was not
a very pleasant affair. The elder was accused and tried
for adultery ; but it was found that he was too high in
authority to be judged in England, and the matter was
passed over with some reprimand. He was nett
accused of wasting the brethren's money by extrava-
gance, but, on account of his great influence. nothing
came of it. It was held to be a duty to obey the elders
implicitly. He had beard a man state, at the Conference
held some time ago in that lecture theatre, " If I were
ordered to kill a man, I should go straight and do it."
Another remarked at the same time, " I should like to
have an opportunity of showing my loyalty in that way."
Some remarks were next made respecting the doings of
a pretended German count, Baron Orsina Count de Bolen,
who borrowed of " the saints" in Manchester, Ashton, and
tne neighbourhood. sums amounthigy, £5O, and ordered
a carriage from a firm in Oxford-street, giving the name
(without his authority) of a well-to do saint as a refer-
ence. This gentleman proved to be a complete swindler ;
and was even too shrewd for the " discerner of spirits,
Elder Wheelock " He borrowed lbs. from the elder,
under the pretence of proceeding to Liverpool, and
holding a council with him at a certain hotel there.
Instead of going to Liverpool, however, the count hired
a pony for a young lady, and had a ride out with her ;
the elder being grealy annoyed at being duped. The
speaker occupied the attention of the audiehce for more
than two hours; his observations being of a kind not
likely to induce many people to become Mormons. In
a second lecture, the reasons for renouncing the degrad-
ing system are to be expounded. The chair was occupied
by Mr. Joseph Johnson.

AN AMATEIM DETECTIVE.—A batch of young men
and women, were charged by,a person named Whittaker,
with attempting to pick poceets in the streets. The
most remarkable feature in the rase, was the following i
Mr. 131uck appeared for two of the prisoners, and
asked the witness Whittaker •: Whet are you ? Witness :
lam a timber dealer. Mr. Bleck : And you act as an
ematenr cleteetive also ? Witness : I do sometimes. Mr.
Block: How long have you acted so ? Witness: For
seventeen years past. The prisoners were sent to gaol
for periods varying from one to three months.
JACK SHEPPARD ECLIPSED !—EXTIIAORDINARY CASE.—
On the night of the 10th, between two and three o'clock,
the house of Mr. Walker, 15, Kensington-street, was
broken into, and robbed of a watch and wearing apparel.
On the night of the 11th, the house of Mr. Joseph
Ashort, 34, Wood-street, *as broken into, and robbed
of a quantity of wearine 'apparel and money ; and, on
the 15thy the house of Mr. Thomas Frazer, 50, Prospect-
street, was also broken into, and robbed of wearing
apparel, boots and money, and a flute was also stolen.
In consequence of these depredations, officers Laycock
and Wilson went out for the last two or three nights, and
on Tuesday night, in Erskine-street, they came across
the prisoner, and, after a good deal of rnanuoevering,
they got him up a passage, where they arrested him in
his hare feet. He gave his name as William Eccles, is a
well dressed youth, about 18 years of age, and very good
looking. He is a perfect stranger to the police. From the
history of the case, as collected from the statement of "Ay-
cock., and from the evidence of Mrs. Walker, Mrs. Ashort,
and Mrs. Frazer, it appeared that the houses in question
were broken into on the nights stated, and the property
mentioned stolen. Entrances were made by the burglar,
by cutting squares of glass out or the parlour winaows.
When the prisoner was arrested, there was a pair of shoes
found in his rossession that had been stolen from the
house in Kensington street, and a ticket of a pair of
hoots that were stolen from Prescot-street, and pledged in
Thomas's pawnshop, Dale street. The boots were identi-
fied by the wife of the owner. There was also a shoe found
on the prisoner, and this corresponded with one found in
the house in Wood street, left by the prisoner at the time
of the burglary. On the prisoner was also found a pair of
trousers that had been stolen from the house in Wood
street. Mr. Murdock, pawnbroker, Marybone, stated
that the prisoner called at his shop to pledge a watch.
(This was the watch stolen from Mr. Walker's house.)
He put several questions to the prisoner, and he did not
think the answers were at all satisfactory, and he began
to think all was not right. He asked the prisoner had
he a father and mother in Liverpool ? and he replied he
had, and that he would fetch them. Seeing the prisoner
so respectable looking, he told hitn to go, but kept the
watch until he would return. He did not return in due
time, and then witness went to the detective office and gave
infotniatiOn and a description of the prisoner to the
police. Mr. Alderman Turner : You behaved extremely
proper, Mr. Murdock ; I wish I could say the same of the
other pawnbrokers in Liverpool. If they would act as
you have acted, we would have less thieving in Liverpool,
think it right to say so. Mrs. Walker, Mrs. Ashort,
and Mrs. Fraser, identified a variety of articles that had
been stolen from their houses—some found on the
prisoner, and others pledged at Mr Thomas's, Dale
street, 'the tickets for which were found on the prisoner.
In reply to Alderman Turner, the prisoner said : I do
not wish to make any remark at present. He was fully
committed for trial. [it was stated—we cannot say how
truly—that the prisoner is respectably connected—that
he is a youth of superior education, and writes a find
hand. It could not be ascertainedl where lie comes
from J
How PAWNBROKERS DO BUSlNESS.—lmmediately after
the removal of the prisoner, Mr. Clough entered the
court, and addressed his Worship, saying-1 wish to
state a fact to the bench in reference to the case just
now decided, and I think it of the greatest importance.
I did not mention it before, as I had not grounds to go
on, but now I have the strongest proof of it, and I
trust your Worship will mark your sense of such con-
duct. When the prisoner was arrested, lie told the
officer that the flute stolen from the house of Mr. Frazer,
of Prospect-street, had been sold at Mr. Thomas's,
pawnbroker, in Dale street, before he had pledged the
other articles. On taking him into the next room, to
have the depositions taken down, one of the assistants
of Mr. Thomas entered to lodge his informations against
the prisoner for pledging the stolen goods there, when
the prisoner at once called out and said, " there is the
young fellow to whom I sold the flute." The young
man denied the statement, but on being pressed by me,
he admitted that he did buy the flute. Mr. Alderman
Turner (to the young man from Mr. Thomas's): What
have you to say to this? It is a very serious charge
indeed. The young man, who said his name was James
Rily : Oh, I did not know the man I bought it from.
Mr. Aldermanturner : I don't believe you are telling the
truth, sir, and you are now on your oath. Mr. Clough
asked Rily what he gale for the flute ? He hesitated at
first, but the question was put sharply and peremptorily.
He replied, with great reluctance, "I gave is 6d for
it." Officer Laycock : The value of the flute is £l.
Mr. Clough (to Rily) : Did you buy that flute on your
own, or on your master's account? Rily : I bought it
on my master's account, and put it in the shop window
for sale. Mr. Alderman Turner : Is that the way you
pawnbrokers do business ? Rily : We are salesmen as
well as pawnbrokers, Mr. Alderman Turner : Indeed,
sir, you are very clever. Laycoek said, Mr. Thomas was
not at home just now. Mr. Alderman Turner asked
Rily if he conducted the business of Mr. Thomas
in his absence? and lie replied he did not. Laycock said,
that was not correct, as Rily was the foreman in the
shop. Mr. Alderman Turner : If he goes on in this
way, he will soon find himself transrerred from the
witness box into the dock. Rily: lam nut the fore-
man. Mr. Alderman Turner: Who is, then, sir ? Rily :
A youth named George Carr. Mr. Alderman Turner :
Do you buy things this way for your master, and with
his sanction ? Yes, sir. Mr. Alderman Turner : Why
is he not here, sir ? Rily : He is in Wales at present.
Mr. Alderman Turner : You have placed yourself, to say
the least of it, in more than an awkward position. Let
me tell you, sir, if you continue to act in this way,
you and your master will soon be placed in another
situation.
CHARGE OP SHOPLIFTING.—Detective officer Patrick,
brought up Jane and Agnes Shannon (mother and
daughter) on remand, charged with having stolen a
quantity of drapery, &c., from the shop of Mr. Aitcherly,
draper, 160, Mill-street. Mr. Chilton was for the
prisoners. The details of this case appeared a few days
ago, and the prosecutor having repeated his evidence,
he, in the kindest manner, begged his Worship to deal
summarily with the prisoners, as he did not wish to
punish them. They were fined £2 each, for not being
able to account for the possession of the property found
in their house in Napier-street, Park.
(BEFORE MR. MANSFIELD.)
AN ILLEGAL Smr,.—About a month sine', a man was
committed for being found in an illicit distillery in
Rat hbone.street, and yesterday the owner of the premises,
whose name is Malcolm M'Gregor, was summoned by
the excise authorities, under the act. Mr. Brook was
for the Crown, but the defendant did not attend. He
was fined £2OO.
Ma. DOHERTY, THE CORN MERCHANT, AGAIN.—This
gentleman was summoned yesterday by the police on
I several charges for allowing corn to remain on the dock
quays. Fines to the amount of £44 lOs were inflicted
on him.