The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1856-09-19 00:00:00

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1 tioris. To cdneltision, Mr: Reath expressed a desire that
some members of the chamber - who belonged, to what
he could not help calling the conservative, or anti-free
trade party, should state his-opinions dri the question
Mr. Tomlinson thought they were going outside of
their duties as a chamber, in sending a deputy to the
congress. By the programme, the second subject to be
discussed was this—" What are the practical means

proposed, or to be proposed in each country, to remove
or diminish the obstructions which impede
of commercial relations throughout the nations ?'t Now
suppose they sent a financial reformer as their deputy,
what would he suggest as a panacea In answer to that
question ? Would he not bring forward his octri ideas
as to what those obstructions were ; and, in doing so,
would he not seriously misrepresent the feeling .of this
country on a question of so much importance ? He
thoUght Mr. Heath was very injudicious, in calling on
them to express their opinions as conservatives or free
traders. He did not rise in either capacity ; but he simply
rose to express his opinion that, in every sense, such dele-
gates would be warped in the consideration of the gnat
question which would be brought before them at the
ccingress, and that it was in every way inexpedient to send
a representative there. _

the extension

Sr. Roberts()if Gladstone regretted the speech just
delivered should have contained such very uncharitable
expressions towards others. He presumed that the allu-
sion had reference to the Financial Reform Association ;
but he conceived that if the delegate of the chamber held
views in accordance with those of that association, and
gave utterance to them; they would be lioked u non merel
as the expression of his
for what they Were Worth. Meat
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receive

individual opinion, and be
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was absurd tp raise siiel
that the time had pas

had he

EC when they could be Used

against any great question, and that those who had
entertained them had long descended 'to their graves.
They could not suppose that it was intended to set man
against man and principle against principle by means of
violence. They should have heard something more con-
sistent with the present age from a member of the
Chamber, than a suggesion that they could not meet
and discuss matters of vital interest between nation and
nation without wandering beyond their proper course of
action, and adopting, or advocating the adoption, of
means which they should all admit would he highly
improper. (Hear, hear.) The Financial Reform
Association had appointed one gentleman, and a better
man hey could not have selected, to represent their
views, and he, for one, should most bitterly lament if
the Chamber neglected to fot

w the same

course

(Elear, hear) W

t were they afraid of

There were

cettain subjects to be discussed—they were made aware

by a programme of that fact, and wf

then,

ere they

afraid of ? He had listened attentively to what fell
from Mr'. Danson ; but without going over the ground
that gentleman had traversed, he should merely say that
he thought Mr. Danson had furnished the very strongest
reason for their sending a representative to the congress.
(Hear.) They might take them on one point alone. He
had told them that the very best lectures in political
economy would be delivered there. If that were to be
the case, were they not to have the advantage of it?
Political economy, and the business of a chamber of
commerce were not altlgether inseparable. The prin-
ciple which applied to one, formed an admirable
example for the other ; and he did think that the
arguments which had been used against the motion *ere

rather suicidal, as tending to show the necessity for
sending a representative. (Hear, hear ) Allusion had
been made to Manchester, and to the necessity of pre-
serving in their chamber the unanimity which did not
exist among the commercial ass

,tions of that city

they could-work together 'without compromising

ciple, so much the better, but if they sacrificed the great
principle of free trade, for the sole purpose of preserving
unanimity amongst them, then he feared they would very
soon be in the same position as Manchester. In con-.
elusion, Mr. Gladstone expressed his intention to support
the resolution if they went to the vote.
Mr. R. A. Macfie said he believed that the chamber
had most important information to lay before the con-
gress, and he, therefore, believed that the absence from
Liverpool of any representative, except from the Finan-
cial Reform Association, n ight lead to false conclusions
and to great evils. (Hear, hear.) What, then, could they
do as a chamber? He '
thought they could do this—but
he would think it dangerous to do more—they might
send one or more deputies, influential and judicious men,
who might say—" We came to be questioned by you—we
came here to give you all the information Liverpool trade
can afford—we came here to tell you how generally the
free trade principle is held by the merchants of Liverpool ;
but if you ask what the Chamber of Commerce itself
feels, we can only say you must infer what it feels upon
the question from what the .members feel ; but, as a
body, we can give no expression of opinion on the
question. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. Rawlins thought if the chamber decided not to
send a member in the fear that anything political would
be discussed, they would be acting under a very great'
mistake. •He could not see what possible objection there
could be to their sending a deputy to say as much as
Mr. Macfie had suggested. He remarked that Nr.
Denson had 'shown some inconsistency in his speech,
when he pointed out that the pecuniary interest of the
despots of Europe was already urging them to incline
towards free trade, and yet objected to that body assisting
in pressing upon them the pecuniary advantages which
they would derive from further introductions of the
principle. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Brown said, if Liverpool were not represented at
the congress, it vs ould be exceedingly discouraging to
the gentlemen who assembled there for the purpose of
encouraging the commercial interests of all nations.
(Hear, hear.) He knew of nothing on earth which
cemented nations so much together as their material
interests. (Hear, hear.) He thought an example of this
was furnished in the instance of the recent misunder-
standing with the United States. (Hear, hear) Had
these two great nations not been cemented by material
interests, they would unquestionably be near at war.
(Hear, hear.) It was very desirable that they should,
by every means in their power, encourage the nations of
the earth to come into friendly relations with each other,
and thus to preserve the peace of the world. He should,
therefore, be exceedingly sorry not to see Liverpool
represented at Brussels. Suppose that they did introduce
political discussions, the Liverpool representatives
would not be there to oppose, but they might fairly say,
that those were not their opinions —that they differed
from them, and that their object in attending the con-
gress simply was, to promote free trade throughout the
world, and to encourage their Belgian friends to
persevere in the course which they had adopted.
Mr. Bushell said, as a member of the council of that
chamber, he was most anxious to hear .what were the
views of the members, and therefore he bad, up to that
ptirmoec.eeadbesdtationedsayfr,o
Hdebtheeenn l e
had
s
adopted,-that he was ready arid willing to admit that it
had been found beneficial to the community, by increas.•
ing the trade and exports of the country ; then it was
right to go on, and diffuse what information they could.
that t making
a s fre eay
trade princi
He then pointed out the necessity of appointing a person
observations.
whose views were not of extreme political bias to the

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congress;
Mr. Clint was rather favourably inclined to sending a
deputation to Brussels, because he thought that, from
interchanges of opinion betwen the various countries of
the world, much good would result. The peculiar ideas
of each country would be brought together, inter-
changes of sentiment would be elicited, and reports
would come back, from which they would gain informa-
tion, and which would, perhaps, confer a benefit up"
the community. The great difficull he thought,
te would
be to select a gentleman to represent them,
thatseeing
gctis
the chamber was composed of such very be
the r°gm on.
enotio
opinions. Mr. Shiel also spoke in favour of
A somewhat long and desultory conversatiol:then took

place on the wording of the resolution, but it was ulti.
mately unanimously resolved, that one or more delegates
should be sent to represent the Liverpool Chamber of
Commerce at the congress to be held at Belgium, without
restricting them to any particular course.
The chairman and the deputy-chairman were requested
to form that deputation, but the former declined the
honour, as did also• Air. ushell and Mr. Danson.
However, on the:Motion of Mr. Jeffery, seconded by
Mr. Robertson Gladstone, it was agreed that the council
should Select one or two 4enTlemen to attend the deputa-
tion from the names of the chairman. the vice-chairman,
Mr. Aiken, Mr. W. Brown, M P., Mr. Horsfall, M.P.,
or Mr. E wart, M.P.

THE NEW POST OFFICE.
In answer to a question put by Mr. M'Fie,
Mr. Bushell said he had had an interview with the
authorities in London on the subject. That as they
were about to remove the public offices into Dale-street,
he thought they had better secure accommodation for
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all or as many of the public offices as possible under
", and let that building be at once an ornament

one rc

.o the town

Robertson Gladstone fully concurred in the
desirability of having such a building, and su,ggested.
the propriety of Mr. Bushell and Mr. M'Fie having an
with the health committee.
This was at once agreed to, and the chamber
adjourned.

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board the Great Tasmania, and the special meet-

ling of the Chamber of Commerce. With regard to

1 the former, deeming it a matter of paramount

importance, we have gone to considerable expense

in reporting the proceedings at full length

IBanquet was a truly splendi

fit, indeed, for

I the merchant princes of Liverpool, and the several

distinguished visitors who came from London and

I other distant parts of the kingdom, to inaugurate
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the praiseNvorthy attempt of Messrs. James Baines

and Company to open a direct trade between Ne

Zealand and the port of Liverpool. Their beginning

has been most satisfactory, and sure we are that

who read and contemplate the statements made

by the speakers who addressed the company on

board the Great Tasmania, must feel satisfied that

an important undertaking has been commenced,

and that results highly advanta

eous must accrue

the Colonists of New Zealand, as well as to the

of Liverpool, by granting to the Black Ball

Line, a hearty and unreser

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The Chamber of (

)mmoree have at length