The Express.
London, England, 1857-03-06 00:00:00

power, we should have been now P We should have had a
peace very different from that which the noble stamina had
secured for us. (Cheers.) The noble lord (Lewd I. Russell)
was the British lion when he aloud et the table; but be wags
spaniel at Vienna. (Laughter.) The house would recol-
lect what the right hoe. gentleman the member for the Uni-
;
ekedor; n had said about the Russian war. lie said it was a
war-
Mr. GLADSTONE—I beg pardon. (Order.) I believe
I am within the order of the house in contradicting the hon.
gentlemen. I never said a syllable of the kind ; end I have
often said just the reverse. (Hear.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE ems not stating anything the right
hoe gentleman had said that night; but the right hon.
gentleman had declared that the war ought not to have been
entered upon—(no, no)—and that the Emperor of Runs
ought to have been reimbursed for the expense* of the war.
(" Oh oh I " and laughter.)
Mr. GLADSTONE—I nse to protest against that state-
ment. (Order, order.) Well, II I am not to be permitted
the usual privilege of members, I will sit down.
Mr. DUNCOMBE had certainly understood the right hon.
gentleman to say so—it was during the discussion after the
return of the nobU lord (Lord J. Russell) from Vienna. No
doubt the right hoe. gentleman had approved of the war;
and his subsequent disapproval of it was what he (Mr.
Dunrembe) could never understand. But the right hon.
gentleman did disapprove of the way in which it was
carried on. (lime, beer.) Then there was the right hon.
gentleman the member for Wiltshire. He (Mr. Dunoombe)
supposed he was wrong again—(laughter)—hut he under-
stood that right hon. gentleman to concur in condemning
the war.

Mr. El. HERBERT—I never maid any molt Wag. . *
(Leughter.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE —The right hon. gentleman during the
diamsasion eller the noble lord's return from Vienna said
we ought to have been content with two of the four points.

Mr. 8, lIKRBERT—No, no. (Laughter.)
Mr. DUNCOMBK—Do you mean to say you didn't?
14u~aahi Stu!. . ter.)
trell're vetenle"rigZtoohonthree
Pmnnet tltsie
mr Carlisle. (Laughter, and cries of " Question.")
=slid the government had no policy ; but what wee the
Ism matleuouis policy I' He said, " Don't drive
Munk is the wall." Did not be say that ii (Laughter.)
Well, but viol did we go to war for but to drive Bemis to the
wall ? (Heir, bear.) At last we did so, and we got a pea:—
deficient he woe respects no doubt, but a pesos very diffe-
tent hem that with which the right bon. gentlemen would
hays been salkled. (Chum.) The noble viscount's foreign
pollen lies, wield asset with the support of the country.
(Ileikbasr) With regard to his domesticpolicy—(augh-
ter)-410 S visesent must take a more decided course.
(Lasater and asses.) The noble lord had sufficient diplo-
macy, if they liked to call it so, not to am the necessity of
that. The noble lord had never said ho wee against all mi-
kes; b
to the contrary, he was a party to a very
good bilk which was introduced by the noble lord
the member be the City of London. Would the honour-
eble palsonet opposite give them a better ? (Hear, hear.)
If be woe& say continue that course and proclaim to the
earso=st he would maintain the honour of our national
be would not ellow treaties to be evaded with int-
My.—lie Night defy that puny jealousy by which ha was
serreemisd hr.—(cheers)—and set at nought the misrepre-
sent** I, tithe be was exposed elacwhere, because he
witablvessim tha missed of a very vast ntejority •of that
kegs prYy whose interests were committed to his are,
sad who weellast allow them internees to be eacsitioad to
eithr unprimighd Nish or mere accidental meetings in
lobbies. (Chore.)
Sir J. CIZAHAhI repeated tho remark of Lori J. Rumen,
that the appresehing dimolutitin was it " penal dissolution."
SAO eientarree in the promied of the noble lord to pun
the ]Boo
the for a limited jetted or for the whole year.
As is the ay ',timid., he thought the number et men
could be raneed.
Sir J. PAKINCITON called upon Lord Palmerston to
inform*, home whether be intended to pay any damns
to the vete d Tuesday ; and if he did intends pay any de-
fereneet to tall the home the extent of it ?
Mr. W. J. FOX repelled for hiewelf and far some other
isteribees where sentiments be knew the charged " cos-
liribe la dm votes given on Tuesday.
ar Y. BARING repudiated the charge of "mal iv
Ile mar gem • vote with a clearer conocience.lirer sop 4
the saki bud would tell the house whether Sir J. BOW•111ff is
ha emithisse to hold his percent appointment—whether the
esesto le to be dragged into farther difficulty in order that
Me tam Bowring may be protected.
XL BENTINCK, in reference to what had fallen front
Mr. Gladstone, said he only regretted that the right hon.
gentleman had not gone a little further, and told the house
that he was not only willing, but anximei to carry combina-
tion to a more substrata! conclusion. (A laugh.) If it was
his good fortune to moot the right hon. gentleman in the
meat pediment, ho hoped that they would be sitting, se
lben. ea Misrent ,idol of the house. (Laughter.) It was
pessi et tlie might again hare to remind the right hon.
the remarks he had made ont embinattens.
PALNIERSTON—The right hon. baronet (Sir
J. 01•1•11111) desires to have an explanation on subjerts con-
noted with taxation, and estimates, and mite re of finance.
I deter think that the present opportunity is an appropriate
wear into thme details. My right hon. mend the
of the Exchequer will, to-nee-Law, in committee
et woe and means, give every explanation on that points.
Str J. ORAHAM—WiII the notices stand as they du now ?
The notice is for to-morrow.
Viscount PALMERSTON—My right hon. friend will
give proper notice.
Sir J. ORAIIAM—Then there will be fresh notices P
(Order, order.)
Viscount PALMERSTON—A great deal has been said
this evening whieh looks more like a prolongation and
continuation of the debate of Tuesday, than o debate natur-
ally arising out of the statement which I lied the honour of
making. It woe not my intention to renew the debate of
last Tuesday, nor will I do so now ; nor will I be led by the
tone which some membent Lae adopted towards the govern-
ment to depart from that rouree which I think ought to cha-
racterise the procadintic of thin evening. However, I mug
say that, in one resixet, the right hon. member for the Uni-
versity of Oxford has to a certain &gene negatived the
charge, if he considers it aurh, of coal mation with the
right lon, gentleman opposite; because ennibination implies,
to a certain degree, eundatity or identity of feeling.
Now Mr. Disraeli, in what be atatnl to the
hoses spoke with that celmnese of temper —(hear, hear)—
and with a statcanitudile view of a great ornaeion which I
think did honour to hint and the party of chili be is the
reseeentative. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Oledstone, on the other
hand, is tarried away by an impetuosity end an excitement
(grand which certainly did not betoken any previous concert
with Mr. Diareeli—(cheers mid laughter)—and I think it
will be cessidered as rather an unfortunate omen of that co-
=if it is to be, which is to follow the assumed coin-
between the two. (Mar, hear.) But I said nothing
to-night in regent to combination or conspiracy, or anything
of the kind, which could give offence to any loan. (Hear.)
I stated it as a fact. Yon may call it a combination—you
may call it an accidental and fortuitous cone:met= of atoms
—(laughter)—or you may call it an ateidened mectiug of
gentlemen in the same lobby; but I my that when gentle-
men are in the habit of finding tbemiselven voting to the
same lobby, it Is not unnatural to suppose that they may
be found ready to unite together, under certain circum-
stances, to form an adwiteistratien, surd to become responetble
fur the opinions they profess. (blear, hear.) I did not
mention it as any imputation ; I state it, on the contrary, as
a fact, which I agree in thinking is one not very inconvenient
or injuries to the country—Wet there may ha the elements
for forming anchor administration if the country Mould think
the present adminietration no longer deserving of their con-
Clessupport. Therefore I think that much of what
aw bow hon. gentlemen was rot perfectly appli-
Oak le ite ocesion. My noble friend (laird J. Ruswell)
be sillhit he was not disposed to follow the footsteps
ef that person to whom everyone looks with proper
olemieflina end respect, Mr. Fox, who on Mlle occasion
alba • arimislaun a penal diesolution. That is
eti
• *hine in those who my that they are
inilp the sentimenta of their constituents, that they
OD legating the opinions of the country. Why, if
Iblie bilk that their judgment it identical with the
=et the country, SO far from looking toe renewal of
with their conatittients as a punishment—
ought to regard it only es a fiat—
re ice in the opportunity of coming
I . and supperted in their tuna-
Pak" i lil e government by the a Gelled °pinto. of
thous who will again return them to parliament. (Laughter.)
So aril* Isr the dissolution. Then the light hoe. gentleman
Hs Yam for the University of Oxford, arannitet other
=brought against the government, mid that they en-
rib the Chinon war without the sanction of mutts-
meet. We entered into no Chinese wen (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GLADSTONE—I never mid o.
An )Lox. Mee liEß—The reediest wee.
Viscount PALMERSTON—I am very glad of it, became
it would be quite prepoeterons to ea y that, as the event hap-
p. ~.di not rely without our previous unction or knowledge,
but 1,0 we're
.0 Witch SUl%riiiii., m
1 by the announceent
when we read it tut the right on. gentklitan was. (Ilea.)
And apie I my, that with regard to these operations
the house undoubtedly has a right to ark what am the
intentions and policy of her Majecy's government. (Hear.)
Now, there is no cheer, and there ran be no change,
policy of her Majesty o government. (hear.) The imp
of her Mahara government is to maintain in China, as
dermlatee, the security of the liven end m operty of British
subjects ; to maintain the rights of the country, as well as
reaped fur testy obligations; to endeavour by negotiation,
if possible, to regent the relations of amity which =-
fortunately have been broken with the Chinese. (Hear.) It
will be our duty, u dotal by my right hon. friend
the First Lord of the Adnindty, to take manures and
make every possible exertion, in order to obtain security for
British addicts and British property in China. • That is a
matter, as the right bun. gentlemiin the memo
a for Carlisle
well knows, which requires grave consideration and consi-
derable care, because be formerly had occasion to enlarge on
and inagaity the dangers of British aubjecle in China; and