The Express.
London, England, 1861-04-20 00:00:00

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and °spreading hie conlident hype and expectation Asian
would continue in the same prudent course ei pithy, Ned
leave the settlement of the Roman question, which was
espoday a catholic question, to the catholic pewee.
(Hear, hear.) At the name time he agreed with the noble
earl ep csle, whose speech had been listened to with
equal dmuwtion on both sides of the house, that the Roman
question was one of vital importance •to hely,
and that Rome certainly ought to be the capital of that
country, because otherwiae the differences between the
various state. would stand in the way of the unity of Italy,
whereas if all those geoids agreed in Axing upon Roma,
which combined all the requirithe for • capital of • great
country, these differences would be less likely to arise. (Hear,
bear.) But this could only be effected with the conesst of
France, and with a fell conviction by the catholic pew.en of
Europe that Rome being the capital of Italy, the spiritual
independence or the Pops would be secured, and that the civil
authority would not interfere with the power and authority
of the church. lie contended we could not interfere in
such a matter without prejudiciag the melt at which we
we would desire to arrive. (Hear hear.) He trusted means
weight be found by which the independent* of the Holy Nee
might be reconciled with the unity of Italy ; but be believed
these mean', would be found in the operations el'
time and in the proeam of events. Preen • the
order, prosperity, and tranquility of countries adjacent to
the territories el the Pope, he believed there would be an
increased discontent among the Pops's indlijects et his
straightened reeeuue in comparison to the asuillion of their
neighbours. He thought the Pope might then negotiate
for the fullest exercised his spiritual purer, red be believed
the Kies id Italy would he unwise if he IMO not to receive
such proposal in a spirit of liberality. (Hear hear.) let
ear intervention should be confined, es it had hitherto
i been, to endeavouring to prevent the intementios of ether
rwls the attain of Italy, and in newer diegithing our
taisilealien to use our moral influeses to proem) the
restoration of sevesumentewltichuoald being itheminee le.
their thin—{risen)`-that we we* eigituue, to use the
weed" of beg Majesty's speech, to leave the Italians to ma-
nage their ewe affairs and he (the Paul of athenclon)
mad esy liar hod shown thiamine gate equal to
the task mirth though they bad been redused to a state
which unfitted men lee free institutions. BM during the
last year .and • half they have ethibeted • moderation,
intellyeeped good sense, which had exceeded the ex-
of ether
ER.BY pothrs. (Hear, heat.)The FAH of Dobserved that the Veniitian ques-
tion was one of sethideeable dollen:1y: The . Ms ei Austria
were as just and lawful as these poasrad by spy other
European' power;' but the retention of her Venetian terri-
tory mightig be a truithd source of difficulty Lanigan her and
then eighbouring kingdom of Italy. Be agreed in think*
that, wbetever might be our personal fedings sr opinions,
the power which should lint resort to the fearful alternative
of wartiould incur a deep responsibility, and alienate
from i f the sympathy which it might otherwise con.
maul. e congratulated the home upon the unanimity
which prevailed in favour of maintaining • policy of strict
niin.inteerentioe. If there were anything wanting to com-
plete the difficulties which surrounded the question, he
thought it would be the fact of a protestant cellintry
taking as active part in the settlement of what was pro-
perly a catholic question. It was not a matter id wake
we °eta., practicellyisterfere by negotiation or coreepood-
ence, an. he rejoiced to think that her Majesty's govern-
ment had not engaged in any suelibegottatium or corn.
spoodeens. Nevertheless, he looked upon - the Routh
question as one whitst4 NI lung at it remained unsettled,
must be dangerous 4 tka peace of Europe: Hie ewe view
of the eons of iirritliag at • solution of it was that the
tempo sovereignty's( the Pope should Mass, .but that if
desirablewas hug y p.nd important that be should be main-
tained tained i his spiritual independence. He would not ex-
press so strong en option as that Rome *odd of necessity
be the capital of Italy, as, in his manioc, it would have
been better to form a mirth and south kingdom in Italy, in
which cue Rome would" have lain between the two, and
the solution of the question would have been
easy. As, however, there was now only one Italian
kingdom, it was a natural desire that Rome
should be the capital, but it wee a !desire whisk
created the greatest embarrassment. II I were a devoted
servant of the See of Rome (continued the noble earl)
then I should say, bring the See of Rome to harmony
with the feelings of the people- of Italy and with eoliths
opiaion throughout the world. (Hear, bear.) Preserve the
spiritual power, And secure such' aulndepeodenee of foreign
powers as, in my opinion, can give the only successful solo.
tioo of the questioa. (Hear, hear.) •In what manner such
a solution may be arrived at, I cahoot pretend to say. It
is • difficulty which, however we may wish to see settled,
we ha in this country no teethe of dealing with ;
it is It question the solution of which, looking
at the feelings of the catholic powers of Europe,
rests widely on the views of the Pontiff himself and whether
be ma • e his spiritual with his temporal power. We
ea twk to steribiag Quiet • ethithillarreolatioh•of the
question. But whether the temporal power of the Pope
can be reconciled with the welfare of his people is the
qualities which we in this country are most anxious to see
solved. But the less this protestant country interferes, and
the more it leaves the question to be settled by the catholic
powen of Europe, whilst we do not close our eyes to the
necessity of maintaining the Pope independent, the sooner
we must come to the solution which all protestant' as well
ea Ronan catholies must most desire. (Hear, hear.)
Their lorthhips adjourned as 7 o'clock.

. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FittDAY, APRIL 19.
The &KAI= took the chair at a little before 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
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The report of amendments ea the Neath Water Bill wee
roneidered.

The Edgware, Highgate, and London Railway Bill was
read a second tinse.
NEW MEMBER.
- - -

Mr. H. Lzwis took the oaths and his seat forthe borough
of MaryleLone in the room of Mr. Edwin James.

NEW WRIT.

Mr. BRAND moved • new writ for the borough of
Southwark. to elect a member in the room of Mt. John
Locke, who bed accepted the office of Recorder of Brighton.
Agreed to.
TRAMROADS IN THE METROPOLLS.
Mr. BRADY gave notice that on Monday next he should
move for the appointment of a select committee to inquire
into the propriety of establishing trammads in the me-
tropolis.
THE. EAST INDIA NAVY.

Mr. B. COCliiiiiigr.;;;;rik miTtliii.Oniueorlay next be
should more for a return of the scale of yment made by
the Lite East India Company to her Majesty's naval forces
employed in Indio, and should call the attention of the
house to the recent Admiralty circular, by which the extra
pay now allowed to them by the company was to be dis-
continued.

THE PERSECUTIONS IN SPAIN.
Sir R. PEEL asked the noble lord the Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs whether he had any objection to state to
the house the nature of the communications which had
passed between Sir A. Buchanan and the Spanish govern-
ment with reference to the present persecutions in Spain.
Lord J. RUSSELL—The •ximmunications which have
passed between her Mejesty's government and the Spanish
government have been confined to general communications
respecting the treatment of British subject' In Slain. But
the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Justice
in Spain have both declared it to be their wish todo everything
in their power to enable British subjects to exercise their
rights in that country. There are further communications
rather of an unofficial nature with respect to the persons who
have been condemned to very severe punishment for profess-
ing and exercising religious worship according to the protes-
tant form ; and with respect to these persons the Spanish
ministry has declared that whatever they may have been
divoeed to do generally--and they were very well inclined
to grant a pardon in their iase—yet that the course of the
Spanish government had been very much embarrassed
by a die-livery which had been made, that there were
secret societies in Spain, holding doctrines that were in
their nature social and republican, and intending to pro-
duce a revolution in Spain. Upon that discovery the bishops
and clergy of Slain had expressed great alarm, and the
government felt hound not to do anything at the present
moment which might foment that spirit.
TilE MANAGER OF THE MARYB9.ROUGH DIS-