The Express.
London, England, 1856-06-20 00:00:00

(Stamped ld. Additional.) [TWOPENCE.

Mr. M. CHAMBERS' said he wished to have an explicit
understanding es to the oat of the fireworks used on tbe
celebration of peace. They were told that the incense of
this was to be 8,0001., but he was informed that the work-
' men at Woolwich wen employed In snaking the fireworkt,
and that while they wen so engaged their wages were put
to the general aetiowat. He wished to know what the ex-
pense would be. including the wages.
Mr. MONEELL said he believed 6,0001. would wrap all
the expenses, eseept throe which were incurred in the
email at Woolwich, which were undoubtedly in addition
to the 6,0001. He could not till what thous expense. would
be ; indeed he did not know bow it w5B possible to make
them out.
Lord HOTHAM observed that If the Clerk of the Ord-
donee did not knew the expense at Woolwieh, it was because
he bad taken good are not to inquire. If be inquired of
c =print pencils at Woolwich, he would find ttat they
put it down at not ler than 30,0001.
Mr. MITCHELL said, when he stood to witness the fire-
works, cue of the rockets CMS down and killed a boy. He
looked at the rocket, and it weighed 21b1. He would caution
the Master-Orieral of the Ordnance, U ha aver had such

an exhibition gala, sot to allow snob xi Wiles to be sett up
to faU oa the heads of poisons who were sot at ail expecting
then. _

--The vote wan then agreed to.
The neat vote was 101. is oddities ID 4,000,0001.
previously voted, to supply clothing, forage, fuel, provision,
sad light.
Mr. MONSELL said, before he made any reference to
this subject, be would assure the noble lord that he was
willing to give any information with regud to the fireworks.
One of the Ant directions that he gave to the °Moor at
Woolwich was to keep the account es separate es possible,
in order that if any hon. member wished t, have it it might
be fortheomiog. He wee wiling, indeed anxious, to lay the
see taut on the table. With regard to the present vote, he
wa. happy to be able to Inform the committee that although
at the time the reduced estimate was framed it was consi-
dered it would be necessary to take a vote of 600,0001. in
addition to the vote already taken, they had now eager-
mined that they were able to dispense with that sum, and
therefore this was one of the nominal vote*. The reason
that the former calculation had been discovered to be erro-
neous was that the troops had coast more rapidly from the
Crimea than they anticipated. The first item In this vote
wee for clothing. Tte original estimate was 1,826,0001.
The estimate now was 1,023,1241. With regard to the cost-
=lMO'S, the usenet that was required enclueive of the
troops at the eget of war, was for provisions 671,7641.;
ra foge, 386,0001.; fuel and light, 206,0001. Of coarse in
these items there mould be no redaction. It would
appear at first sight that there would be an lasseam on u-
senet of the number c f trcopa coming home but that M-
isuse would be slight, because the dieembOdiment of the
militia would reduce the number of troops to be provided
fee by the commis aria:. A sum of 328,0001.
was taken for provisions at the seat of war,
instead of 1,600,0001. as in the original estimate. The
original estimate was Calculated on the aesumption that we
should have 100,000 men at the seat of war throughout
the year, and in noint of feet, in the month of April, them
were 106,000. For the article of forage at the seat of war
the vote was only for three montts, making a sum of
486,0001., instead of the enormous sum of somewhere about
four millions and a half asked for In the orlaisal estimate.
For fuel nod light, instead of a sum of 221,0001, only
61,0001 was taken, ineklrg altogether in the cmusimariat a
reduction of 2.316,0001., and leaving a margin, without
taking as additional rots, of somewhere about 400,0001. for
the purpose of meeting contingencies.
Colonel DUNNE wanted to receive BOON explsnatian as
to what was to be the fitters system for clothing the army.
Mr. MONSELL must remind the hon, and gallant mem-
bar who had put this question, that the new regulations as
to eletatiog the army bad only been in operation singe the Ist
of April, and there cad hardly been time yet to make any
large quantities of clothes. So far, however, as present em-
poriums went there was a could. rabies saving in the coat of
the clothing, while the cloth used was that known in the
army as drummer's cloth. It was much superior to what
had hitherto been used, and it would be supplied to the
whole of the @trete, at stout the same expense as the old
coarser material. The cloth and materials for making up
were collected by the clothing department., and after distri-
butive the clothing was made up by the respective corps,
with the inception of that required for the infantry, which
i would Im made up by contract under the immediate super-
iatendenes of the clothing department, with whom would
rest the entire management of the contract.
Mr. A. PELLATT wished to know what, had been the'
remelt of the machinery for the construction of email alms,
and whether the facto? at Enfield was to be continued /
Mr MONSELL said net question opened up a fruitful
field of exitroverry; but be could state that within the last
few days he had seen arms tamed oat of this factory made
in gat-rate style, and admitted by the Birmingham gentle-
men to be quite anal to any work made at the pries which
certainly astapiebed him. In fact the savior in the cost of
producing small arms would be such than is two or three
years it would be enough to pay the egoists* of erecting the
factory. (Hear, hear.) Recently a meeting of the principal
gam easeutactorere of Birmingham was held, and at that
wade' the msj rity decided on taking steps fur the erec-
tion of similar machinery in their own establishments; but
at all events, if they do not, they would soon find out that
the government could beat them at their work. linwevir,
every opportority would be given them to me what was
going oust Enfield, and he hoped they would take &dna
tate of what they saw. (Hear, hear.)
Upon the quell' ion that 46,0001. in addition to 1,794,0691.
already agreed to, be voted to defray the charge of works,
buildings and mars at home and abr tad,
Coloael LINDSAY enforced the important. of at once
tibias steps to improve the barrack secominodrion of the
country g lly. Of late a great deal had been done to
ameliorate the condition of the army, bat so long as bursas
continued in the state in 'bleb even the new and improved
ones were a:ill to be found, it would be idle to taped as
mousy respectable persons to enlist as they could desire. A
soldier ought to be able to look upon his quarters as his
hose; but before he could do that they must be provided
with the ordinary requisites for decency and comfoit. As
it was, the utter air of misery which charactersed the bar-
racks—its crowded, ill-lighted, unventilated rooms, its want
of the commonest conveuteaces of life, the &teepee in it of

every means of rational amusement—could not bet drive
him to other and perhaps very objectionable places o re-
sort (Hear, hear.) Ile (the gallant eJlonel) wee anxious,
therefore, to bear how far the government were disposed to
adopt the seggestitne which had been thrown out by the
committee on the subji et of barrack seeommodatioa ?
Mr. MONSELL said that he entlre4 agreed with
all that bed fallen from the gallant colonel, and so for as
those barracks which were about to be built, or which were
la the course of erection, were concerned, all that the bon.
gentleman wished ould be r Hie 6d without entailing any
lush additioaal expense se would be likely to meet with
oppositioe. The cost of building Darnell. be a thousand
men on the old system would be about 70,0001. ;
the cost •port the propoeed phis, giving one-fourth
the number of cubic feet additional per mu,
savants quarters for married roldiers, additional room* for
still-iergesuts, a sufficient number of lavatories, and the
lime, would only be about 15 0001. extra. (lieu, hear )
With regard to the existing headings, however, a much
more serious question bad arisen. It was now agreed, on
all bands, that the principle on which alone the army could
be satisfactory organiecd, would be its concentration to ae
great an extent a. possible. He assumed, therefor., that,
with the exception of firs., and places where considerations
ocher than mere homing of the troops were involved, it
would be useless to keep up any barracks where there
wee not aceocamodatioa for at least one thoasaud

men. Tht buildings of that magnitude, at present,
in midtown in England would ateownoclato 30,000 men,
allowing to each the amount of awe recommended by the
emulation. In Szottand there was scoommodation for about

3,000, and in inland for about 18,000 more, making alto
getter room for about 60 000 men. To put all those bar-
racks in the condition for which the sellout colonel wee con-
tending would colt no less than 500,0001. or 600,0001. Now
It appear. d to the government that the best thing to do,
would be to devote a certain mu every year to this tearoom;
bat he wee quite pr pared to admit that at the rate r.f only
40,0001 a year .t would take a long time to complete the
entire work If, however, they laid out that sum in the
present inflame*, they would be able to come down to the
house with 'Seri mot information and mom detailed es-
timates; so that, perhaps, alter all the plan propard would
be the most satisfactoey. With respect to Hallam Alia, the
noble lord had adduced authorities mere than sufficient to
make oat bb ease; end if the work VW not began this year
an mama* should be gives for it sees. (Cotters) The
mistake bad been in treating BallinsoUlg as an hoisted dis-
trict. If kited been dealt with es the country station of the
Cork district, the application would have worn as entirely
different uneet iser, hoar.)
Sir J. PAXTON thought tee argumeat of his right hon.
friend with regard to barrack accommodation, rather
showed that they ongbt not to proceed any farther with the
vote. As a member of the Barrack Committee, he perfectly
costarred in all that had been said. 'sated, it had been
demonetrated before them that the soldier wee the wrest
homed person in her Wjesty's dontiaioas. (Loud Awe.)
It appeared that the primate had cost no lees than 1601 per
male ; and he thought that our bravo defenders deserved to
be lodged at leest as well ea (vitalistic (Cheers) At the
new time the subject ought act to be dealt with plows el.
Supposing they spent 40,0001. is petting ose barrack Ws •
papa? solstitial'. the troops ` asteredlstttnMtfsdeowises
be rimmed to out of wimpewei bona's% esti bo seed
sot soy bow wish ewerented swill be ibe Weever nes,
who, for a time at least, Wes ir blesisiselesessey
end ecostort. hear.) barrack es*t she ow*
to sietda the wow of isietwebil 1 oolighlristeresee, bat
it seen to law *Me its peesieste *To seelessi,
tor holy tastiest:log dim fa do art a war, sal
than hew bon to most Ms ailredis et a empipisia.l6ll

ought likewise to be so arranged that if a regiment received
orders to march on to Salisbury Plain, it should to able
to set out at once, fully equipped. (Hear, beer.) The
great point, however, which they ought to have in view
wee to improve the social standing of the soldier. At present,
if a person enlisted he was regarded by his triune almost
in the light of a lost man. (Oh, oh !) He cnild agitate
hon. members that such was really the general imp 0000 icn.
A man who enlisted was regarded a• one that bad got him-
self into a druidic) position ; soh he (Sir Jissepb)
would like to see that feeling exactly reversed. (Heir,
bear.) He should like to hear people say, when en unruly
son entered the army, that be bad placed himself in a poll-
lion in which he would be so trained that when he came
beck he would be • better citiaea than when he left his
friends. (Cheery)
Sir C. HAMER complained that the management of the
army was disiributed amongst five or sin different depart
menu who occupied 12 or 13 different bonus He wished
to see them all collected under else roof, which he was in-
formed might he done for an outlay of ume 30.0001. A
similar remark stplied to the Admiralty departments. He
had long wished to we them Mown] brought under ono
roof, but after 20 ear.' !sneer, he tad met with but a very
limited success. if all the Admiralty cities' bad been re-
moved to Whitehall, the cosatry would have saved the
160,00 W. whisk had been spent in completing Somerset-
house

Sir DE L. EVANS recalled the attention cf the eon-
mines to the more important question which bad been
fairei by the gallant colonel's remarks. He was not at all
satisfied with the answer of the Clerk of the Ordnance. In-
deed that answer would be a very convenient form to steno-
type for the use of official gentlemen. (Hear,) Hitherto
it had been considered that the British army wu recruited
from the lowest class of society. If that was the case—which
be hoped was not—(cheers)—the only reason was the man-
lier in which the government had neglected the wsy in
which the troops were bonen ; and the ripht Con. gentleman
proposed to give them 40,0001. to remedy the evil. (Hear,
hear.) The noble lord at the head of the War Department
had been greatly landed for his prodigious generosity, be-
cause after the @eject had been repeatedly urged epos him,
he had allowed a penny a day aura to marred it:defiers,
which penny he had afterward increased to 21. (Hear.)
He (Sir Be L Evans) considered, however, that there bad
been a positive reluctance on the part of her Majesty's
government to promote the comfort and to im-
prove the character of the British soldier. (Cheers.)
The sonaequietcs sea that when it was desirable for persona
to enter the army, it wu found that there was a prejudices
eroded it. (Hear, hear) lie hoped the noble lord would
consider this matter. As the army was no longer tt be em-
ployed in police duties, but to Weeny a really military
force, he hoped this question would be fully considered.
The statements that bad been made were well founded and
most important ; and, be must say, the government had not
considered the question in a jest, politic, or generous
1211111111 r. (Hear, hear) The intimates were prepared is
the most niggardly way, as though men would be better
soldiers the more filthy was the condition of their harrwks.
(Hear, hear.) Some years ago, a commission had been sent
out to examine the state of continental barracks, which
were known to be far superior to ours. Thst commission
had reported, bat their report bed been withheld from the
public Why was this ? He celled on the government to
produce it. (Hess, hear.)
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that looking at the expendi•
tare, our soldiers ought to be the most comfortable men in
the kimgdom.(A laugh) No less than 1,600.0(01. was included
ia this vote L.r barracks ; the amount exceeded a million last
year, being above 21 millions for the two yens. The
combine( men for the house stations was 40,000, giving an
wrings of 601. for barrack accommodation for each man.
He believed that amongst the labouring clams 701. a year
was about the average cost of each family for a
year, being very little more than the amount paid for
barracks for each roldier. (Hear, tear.) The barrack °cis:-
sines had recommended that passages in barracks ehonld
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be heated by hot water. Bat if ire :tilde 'notice of our sol-
diers, bow maid they stand such exposure se they tad had
to endure in the Crimea? There were few gentlemen's
houses when it was thought necessary to heat the passages:
it was not done inn in that home. Surely the soldiers
might go along the passages in barracks without the risk of
eatchieg cold. (A laugh.) He wished to sere the soldier. oom-
lienable, but he objected to a lavish sat auditor,.
Colonel BOLDER° mentioned a circumstance in con-
melon with the erection of the barracks at Bristol, where
the epees of contrast was resorted to, in proof of thallet
that barracks weld not be built at a less mat than 1001.
gee man. The late Deka of Wellingtin had recornmeaded
fensteen as the proper number of men to be andomo -seed
hone room; and the barracks since Invaded had been
built on that calculation. One means of trevenijog barn, ks
from being over-crowded was by petting the troops coder
canvas frit a period, whereby a considerable gavial; would
be effected. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. TITE wished to sib a question as to the plans adt pied
far the erecVon of batracks. In one case plans had ben ad-
vertised for and premiums offered, and he wish, d to know
whether the government meant to carry out the pans that
wets approved of. He found that the vote included 250,0001.
fur bite. Was that to be • tennorary prtvision, or other-
wise ? It !appeared that 25,0001 had been sp orupriated for
theparchase of three houses is Pall mall. H. ',tatted to
blow whether this money was actually spent. It not, with
dos proposed amalgamation of offices. he thought it node-
doable that that expenditure should he incurred. It. also
Idaho l for some explanation as to the item of 33,0011. lot
rirchasitof land at Chelsea.
lie J. PAXTON thought that the barrack accommods-
Oka at Aldershot: ought to be extended.
Jaz. OTWAY was astoaished at the amount which he
beard had been voted for barrack accommodation; actually
2.500,0001 had been granted under this bead. Surely that
was enough for all possible purpoqm cf that kind. When
he coupled this fact w.th the statements which had been
made, that the soldier was the most ill lodged person in
t 0... realms, hie sitomishment was by no meens diminished.
He certainly thought that the subject was on calling for
explanation, and be believed that his hon. friend the
member forluebeth only did his duty in brirg‘ng it before
the sommiitee. (Hear, hear.) He should line to be In-
formed whether married soldiers were still lodged in the
some room with single mos ?
Colonel DUNNE reminded the committee that of neces-
sity a soldier meat give up smarty comforts considered in-
diepeosable by the civilian ; it was an month,' condition of
the situation of a military man that this should be so. One
thing he would all to the aues.Von of the committee, it was
this, that temporary and butted betricles wen very Palme-
d.., from their perishable canto, in the long run. (Hear.)
MONSELL, is reply to blr. Tits, said that tee go-
neament had the plans to which be bad referred at present
wader coaled. ration. As to his neat question with regard
nth* huts, he might state that 150,0001. of the 250,0001. to
be voted bad appeared in the originil estimates. The next
wiener was with regard to the purchase of property in Pall-
mall; that wee thought necemary in order to the coneentra-
dos of certain cares commuted with the administration of

the army. Is snifter to the query put by far. Otway, he
bat already stated that the government were ;minted to
afford fall accommodation to married soldiers. Tb■t, how-

ever, was a matter which it would take ,opie little Lon as
weU as amity to earry Into practical effect.
The vote was then .greed to.
Oa the vote for the scientific) branch, a prolonged and
animated debate took place respecting the surrey of Scot-
land. Many objections were lewd giggliest the truposed
mole (26 team to the mile), on which this s y was to be
completed, and Mr. ELLlcie gave a:revision to ere** cen-
sures by moving that the amount of the vote .hould be re-
duced by 8,0001. Tkls amendment was carried to a division,
bat ossatived by a maj wity of 180 to 69-91. The vote ar:•
then passed.
The other orders of the day were afterwards deposed of,
and the ►ouse adjourned at twenty-live =autos peat oaf
o'clock.