The Express.
London, England, 1858-02-12 00:00:00

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which he w ably urged ea a term musks with regard to
other joint Mock
Mr. DAUMMrAtiii that he bad lewd suss need-
Ingly loon exprimeleas, noes loose upon the subject of cur-
rency than upon any other qualms, end he wished to pat
the house on Its guard DOW lowa WuPoei-
dons which hod been edema( during the die-
erefen. The heemanble end learned member for
Newcastle had reminded the house that her a long period
panics had occurred every 9or 10 years. In the discoasions
which took place in the year 1810, It wee distinctly armed
that the distress had boa brought about by the over—lue of
paper by the,Baak of Baglead. The Bank of England had
not over-fumed elsue that time. The reoent distress had
been prodaosi by the our-issue of bille—(hear, hear)—which
was as eusgiseely an over-ima of paper, and tended
as
'Tics "J
speulatiou, as any other
iman teak -erithAlmited liability was
singly this. • bandied pothole pat in so much money
of
Mesa to lens bilis, hula no business whatever—
Belt, eh so busier" w3dsver. They did not
anything, nor win lbw employed in trine-
ferrtng a manufacturefrom cue plus ID another. TUT were
merely as of paper stmey--they were the dyers
of kites on a lugs Seale, and that was the whole of their
business. They me up to obtain credit upon this new prim-
ciple—to Ind out a great number of person" who were
gudgeons aweigh le trust them. (Laughter.) An increase
and tics
wass of paper tisteanded ell the labourers in the country,
oily thought of at such timed era", what shed
would be be the City, end how many merchants
end would Mode. The other day when the
Beak was iisthteised to lowa paper anew ex the relief of
e theist wee be air Iwo without the
eaueet et and mho the pa for that
with they bed mid
to do. lb bra
ds m ft
• rigidness Maga, auselemg
ea to Mel Sok son be kook-
hug elloilikerets, whitest =Wag thenedoes
he held it to be a most dishonest fraud. (Hear, beer.)
Ina the mu with respect to the Gleagew Bank r The Glas-
gow merchants got out of it, sad at whose upon? Why,
at the expense of the labourers of ikellend. As In the your
1810 there wee a Ricardo to instil wad prieciples into the
minds of the people, there was now an Oventese who would
intaikete the mama principles with equal or greater durum
After a few words from Mr. Iwo;
Mr. MALINS expressed his sanded= at finding that
the house would have an opportunity of diseassaing thewhole
question of banking. If the unlimited principle was a good
one, it had lamentably failed in proving its soundness during
the lest two or three years. The description of the ocostem
Son of a banker given by the hon. member for Surrey had
no doubt perfectly astonished the hon. member for Warwick-
shire (Mr. Spooner), as it had Mao astonished other hon.
members. It was perfectly new to him (Mr. Mallets) that
it was any part of the business of a beaker to fly kites. (A
laugh.) The time had come when, both in end in
mercantile transactions, it was necessary for the well- ng of
society and for the honour of England that something like a
new system should be introduced calculated to ensure pru-
dence and greater integrity in the conducting of business of
all descriptions. (Hear.)
Mr. DRUMMONB in explanation, said he did not mean
to assert that the legitimate employment of a bank was the
discount of bills. Quite the reverse. His reference was to
banks which, giving large intermit for deposits, could not
possibly make It up without flying kites.
Mr. J. EWART said he wee connected with • joint stock
bank in Liverpool, end had never heard of anyjoint stock
bask, proirtj conducted, flying a
.single kite. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. aft ELLEY differed in opinion with the hon. nom-
her for Surrey, and contended that it wee the business of a
bank to discount bills. He trusted the measure now pro-
posed would pus into a law, for so long as unlimited liability
remained there would be a great difficulty in securinbazdnt; the
services of those who were best qualified to carry on
operation'.
Mr. IMOLAI' having briefly replied, the motion was
agreed to, and leave was given to introduce the bill.
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EDUCATION.

AU I. PAKlNGTOl4thenriestt move "That a humble
adders be presented to her Majesty, that she will be
gradously pleased to issue • commission to inquire into the
present state of popular education in England., and whether
the present system is or is not sufficient for its object ; and
to consider and report what changes, if any, are required for
the extension of emnd and cheap elementary instruction to
all dames of the people.' The right honourable gentle-
man said, that having on other occasions brought
the subject under the notice of the home, he
did not think It necessary on the present 01:011i011
to enter into any lengthened details with the view of
establishing educational deficiencies in this country. He
weld aide reeled the house of the nature of the evidence
le ebbe be led at various times referred. The statements
Writ be MI mode were founded on the reports of the
elnedelo el peek with regard to the alarming ignorance,
eel Mindy el the criminal classes, but of con-
dim* pea= of the labouring population. The
&gift ei Buslon Gaol said that 40 per cent. of the
wee Ignereat of the UMW of the Saviour, and that
pee filper med, gene ignorant of the name of Queen Vio-
late. The ellement with regard to the children taken into
wesithemes slowed an immense amount of ignorance amongst
the Imme elikelele in London, Mancherter, Birminghsm, and
other here two. The reports of the government inspectors
showed that the people in the rural districts were in the same
condition. These statements had proved two things—first, that
there were in the country large classes in • lamentable state
of ignorance—and secondly, that in many districts them were
either no schools at all, or if schools existed they were
Legwge.f.terckwween :thale°:= educationAe e 7
questionck a a a ;
the present time and that in which the question of poor-lawa
reform stood in the year 1833, when the government insti-
tuted an inquiry into the subject. The physical wants of the
poor were relieved by • law which had fallen into great con-
and which it had become almost impossible to admi-
nister. Attempts at legislation had been made by different '
members of the legiWture, and by different partite, but
without moues, until at last the government of the day be-
came of opinion that the best mode of solving
the admit ed difficulties of the case and laying •
foundation for practical legislation would be to have
a full and a careful inquiry. He had referred to
the terms of the poor-law commission alter he had penned
the resolution with which he should conclude, and he was
surprined to find that the two were almost identical. The
examlmion was lamed. It consisted of men of known cha-
racter and ability, the late Bishop of London being at
their head. They addressed their attention to every WM-
why, and they mat sub-commissioners into different eerie of
the country in order to collect facts bearing upon the
the fo year her Majesty's ques-
tion. The/ottall those fade together, and the result was
that government came down
to the house wi • measure which they carried, and of
which the country was now reaping the benefits. The only
Important difference between the poor-law commission and the
commission for which he would move lay in the dimunstaace
that the know was proposed by the confidential advisers
of the mown, whereas in the present case the motion
was mede by a humble member of the house
who had not even the support of a party to rely upon, and
who, so far from being a supporter of the government, had
felt it at times his duty to question the policy of their mea-
sures. He hoped, however, that the noble lord would be
too magnanimous to allow that to intinsemethe way in which
he received the proposal. (Hear, bear.) He believed that a
commission would produce a most valuable report, not Inelz
upon the educational condition of the people but upm
educatimal requirements—a report which would point out to
the government and to parliament the principles upon
which this great question might at last be fairly and satis-
factorily settled. He hoped, in short, that the motion which
he would now perms would sang in accomplishing an end
which, every see would admit, was closely connected with
thebeet Mersin et the country. (Cheers.);
Lard iIT4fLIT seconded the motion.
Mr. HARDT contended that there was no necessity for
further leeway. The question had been amply din:used,
and any in that were wanted could be readily obtained by
the lope end el functionaries at the disposal of the Board
d Edseettee.
Mr. HADFIELD said he was opposed to the comnderion
ss ; bet be would move as an amendment the addi-
ds=iiiiiilowlng words to the resolution :—" And put-
=
Inquire whether it is desirable that the course of
should, in deference to the principles of religions
Ilbely, be restricted to smoke instruction, or whether reli-
gions istreetien should be added ; and what course of reli-
gions beshoden on be added without violation of the rights
ofesnedemesed
medbb eelffejesly'sedisets ; end that all Ores and
Asesedeellese eloll be emdlied
le be lord In this floydry."
The mooniomb( boo ememoded.
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bad been wood an 11111•1111 pools hi lbe tot bee
gobs ; bet they obsuil nomber dot Mr no* Mae
esemteden 'drat be te erebom elem. As bop an-
pleyor el boor, Meer be bit =Obi to wok en Ode
=tAt int be wood Ibiime7 Amelia d
em. ; beteiber ommeeel yes lb woolen
lem wee dodo= to we enbnial. ( brar.) Tie tapir
Yoe bed turned lb alloillee le poor Mins end
▪ slalom; V they sesteeted Meet ma Ile boot limo
lbw void era lo upon They bed oinillabei
=lamodeall bd they eineeled We
oda lbw w onm,ool tbonmhoehoe el Woe do-
oleo? They woe about le anima the lonalee—onsimer
wont he the Wooden el Ihmeetimo Meer. hierbist
drrardent below both leatiol end
elsorved that the repots mot mislike
mad peednelior el all porta on the enbilemt et shoo
ben woe ewes! te Wit a Tower 61 Debi The
be Wired, de nelble One
pre veld.
sure rent It the slomatore.
Mr. J. W. rex awed we Is Ode eawarry onenew ha
pea= to Ohm nen Owe in rheum ie the aseeretednee-
dee. enibe !mow se me bather em aro theamelo don the
fled bee. pitmen who bed breoght fermi lids
—Noy bor)—whe new popredsitemernbeent elinseam a
asoniedek not for tho pompom dMe wont
bat etdek le a spirit el imporllsZtes.eid eardela
wee on/ft ie our wool of mod otookler
best mom git these yob. (Hear, how.)
Kr. ADDIILBY ial7 oppmeehled time sal and ability

with which the right hon. witenher for Droitwich had con-
ducted this question, but be doubted whether a royal com-
mission was the best possible means of promoting the great
cause of education. His opinion was, that the existing
means of inquiry were quite sufficient for any awful or prac-
tical
MirgePiPEß believed that education owed all its
force to the religious bodies and the government of the
country. The right hon. baronet had made an allusion to
the poor-law. Now be should be awry to see an education
rate placed side by aide with a poor Tate—(hear, hear)—or a
gaswmoiddleethesigru:ra:blingn"e"all .7—"Prtleadyti, on'hes;;;lhielhByun4chdidshoaul"a°da°tanwunemeyprwsa teeoLathairart:ce, excitedtiingtheths
IssathlithinkeduoilKondubssasrammikuonrithetone:sdont shildr:tiameneL.d.misawsreyhiah:ceiwsrdwil.vingsFdaL'
tboetHet:ndertledidtbmir!
a trim aline IDatffarl frmil the sstem. It would
.dimillesiisia Se bands in which wna now pissed It
was Mliteentimnitted to those who al
those those
who ?ova it—to those who considered it that. duty to mo--
mote it—to those who acknowledged that the childeen oCeho
poor had a claim upon their property. He should hue no
objection to the motion of the right hon. gentianno it he
would alter it so as not to involve al
would confine hexamto
anhanon into the
Ereestyria a cLEXtelccumn4aVire Into " the present admire .
of popularreducation in " (Hear.)
Mr. HENLEY con in the seamarks which had fallen
from the right hon. gentleman on this important subject,
end in the suggestion which he had made for limiting the
. (Ifetshelr2
inThat wsoutts
dlaeliest mo
not tof en-
quiry .
the best mode, It was too cumbrous a mode that l
of esWig Pima. He thought these earneet men who were en-
ffigedifilomednislionary work would be better able to aid in
getting at the blab than en official *airy by means of a
coinsidon. The right hon. gentlemen opposite (Mr.
Cowper) had not stated that out of the 2,000,000 of children
who were being educated, 270,000 were receiving education
without any coat to the state. Now what right was there to go
with a commission end require them conducting the schools in
which these children were taught to answer questions P The
result would be, in many instances, that those conducting the
inquiry would have the door shut in their fame. Wu the man
who was now quietly doing his best in a poor and =-
educated neighbourhood to be dragged out of his seclusion
and put into a blue book P (Hear, bear.) He was not sur-
prised that the hon. member for Oldham (Mr. Fox) should
be in favour of this thquiry. That hon. member was a con-
sistent advocate of secular education, and u such it wee to
be expected that he would take each a coarse. He could not
but remark upon the fact that in the course of his speech
his right honourable friend stated that in Austria
the par mintage of education was higher than in England.
(Sir J. Psi he wrote :" In Austria proper.") Oh, if his
right hon. friend picked out one province of that empire, he
might jut se well pick ont one county in England. (Cheers.)
He might take the case of that county where the amount of
bastardy was above the average, and in which he believed the
state of educationwas ahoabove the average in a similar ratio.
(Laughter.) He regretted to find that in this lima no
mention was made of religion. Indeed, in ell theme resolu-
tions which his right hon. Mend had brought
forward, the right honourable baronet had thrown himself
entirely into the arms of the secular party (" No,"
from Sir J. Pakington.) His right hon. friend *said " No."
Bat he would all his attention and that of the house to whet
took plea at a meeting of an emaciation at Manchester. This
was a erecting of secular gentlemen—Cheer, hear)—and from
the statement. there made it was clear that this association
looked upon the proposition of the right hon. gentleman as
esetao secular- education. (Hear, hear.) He much re-
this state of things, and he thought that much had
which required that the hinds of religious educa-
tion should keep a watch about them. There had been a
tendency to limit the matter to a question of doctrinal
religion, but that begged the difficulty. Some re-
ligion meet be taught in a school. If children lied,
and children would lie ; if they were unkind and crabbed
to each other, they should be taught that the first wee against
the commend of Ood, and the second was contrary to the
morph of the Saviour. (Hear. bear.) But if there was
to Deno religion, the most that could be dome to them would
be is hold over them the threat of the policeman. (Laughter.)
In conclusion, he wished that his right hon. friend would
limit the motion in the moaner suggested by the government.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought there had been, and it was
a good dad disappearing now—but there had been too
much of an exclusive spirit in the members of the different
branches of the Christian church in only admitting children
to the schools who they initiated should adopt the peculiar
doctrine of that branch of the church. Lord Lanadownee
way of meeting that difficulty was perhaps wise in the cir-
cumstances. It was that where the catechism was invariably
taught in the church schools a larger grant should be
given to diameter@ who had eat up a school in the
district ; but while that might be in some districts a remedy,
he deemed it an evil, because of the rivalry and contest which
it mused. And now as to the paschal motion which wee
made by the right hon. gentleman. He owned he did
not understand the view that was taken by the Vice-Prea-
dent of the Council that they should lave a commission
merely to inquire Into the half-time system, and into the
education of children in populous towns. He trusted his
right hon. friend would not cement to such an alteration in
the teems of the motion. He thought, however, some modifi-
cation might be made in It The right hon. gentleman said
more than 600,0001. a yew was voted for the purzettleci!
education. If they could make that sum go much
be thought say ram laid out on the commission would be
amgly mpdd. With regard to the poor law he certainly
rtwthe bed no reason to complain; 60,0001. wee
attail eeeseslssim, while in two or three years more
o mallow were saved. It was to a certain extent an
I bat ha did not believe there would be any un-
onthe part of the clergy or the landlords to
mist. He believed there was a general desire to promote
ensiles. He believed that a very considerable object
would be answered by the appointment of a commission. It
appeared to him to be a moderate and reasonable proposition ;
It did not bind them to any system or to any alteration of
the present system, but It laid a foundation for
future operations. They had been told that Austria
furnished no precedent for them. He quite agreed in that.
He thought that they had in this country an inestimable ad-
ventage, with which they should not part, namely, the liberty
of the people to read after left school the works of the
r.gtluthors of the English ge . Our people were
up in habits of liberty table to our constitution ;
there was no compulsory system which could be given
them which presented anything like the advantage of that
system, and he would never consent to any system which,
by giving them the powers of a system in vogue on the
continent, would limit the freedom of conscience. (Cheers.)
Mr. BRISCOE hoped the right hon. gentlemen would not
we
rouse
an humble address be presented to her Msjeety, prey
that
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for the extension of sound and cheap elementary instruction
to all classes."
Mr. COW PER said that the altered form of words met his
views. He thought an inquiry as to the causes which pre-
vented the children of the poor from receiving the education
which was provided for them would be useful • whereas an
inquiry into the presont system would, in his opinion, be
Perntdom.
The SPEAKER having inquired of Mr. Hadfield whether
he meant to persevere with his amendment,
Mr. HADFIELD said he did not quite understand the
agreement which had just been come to.
Lord PALMERSTON hoped the amendment would not
be insisted upon. The motion of the right hon. baronet as
amended seemed to meet the views of the house in general,
and he trusted that his hen. friend (Mr. Hadfield) would be
contented with having put his opinions on record. (Hear.)
Mr. HENLEY said the motion, even as emended, went
beyond the views cd the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Cowper),
and he (Kr. Henley) could not himself agree to it.
Mr. HADPIELD having withdrawn his smendment, the
resolution wee pat fa the following form That a humble
address be presented to her Majesty that ehe may be gra-
ciously pleased to hese a commialion to inquire into the pre-
sent stab of popular education in England, and to consider
and report what messures, if any, are required for the exten-
sion et • sound and cheap education to all classes of the
PltieLhouse divided :
110
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49-61
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SAV BANKS.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved to
UMW* the select committee:—Hr. Erman, Mr. Bott-
les* Mr Hwy Wlllowschlty, Viacom= Oodsrich, Mr.
Aries, Mr. Bonham-Cent r, Mr. Edward , Mr.
Fee^ Mr. Chops, Mr. Cowen, Mr. TornerVlßleadry„
Miliftead, Mr. Bnifia" mad Mr. Adderisy.
Aped to.
CHURCH RATES.
Mr J. TRELAWNY moved far Ism to bring to a MB
f the abolition of chum* at... (Rea, bear.)
Arol4 to.
G .8 AND HOUSES OF CORRECTION BILL.
Yr. BOWYER moved the mooed rewhog of this bill.
Mr. BPOONRR objected to proceed with it at each a lets
host, and
The debate was whammed.
LADY HAVELOCK AND SIR irzNior
LOCK'S ANNUITIES BILL.
This MB wee mad a MEd Mew and prod.
CHURCH SAM ABOLITION BILL.
niched
This MR wee laweght bawl read airs' time, sad
tom • mated Iness Wipierds, lie IDS inst.
ws adjosisel NS 10aissles is 1.