The Express.
London, England, 1859-07-30 00:00:00

LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 80, 1859.

the lea of the screamer to ostler to pat oar Mime"
=diary end earl, on as Akar footing. Be related, se
ear gamest against Menem our exertions, • dialogue
between the Emperor of the French end • distiordrid
pars, width had been reported to him, en the rubjest of
the Freak navy.
Mr. Lindeey, Lord Leveled, gad Lord Ashley, depreciated
any reredos of oar navy.
Lord PLUM/MON—Air, my bon. sad learned isised
the memberlier Car will antereesti why I did not weer
his quer* et She mement. I saw there was mother rem
I Ilea on the payer le be pat le me, and I thought It batter to
wait as I earl may speak mon hip hon. sad leaned
friend silted ear whether the Sovereign of the Ranee Seam
hes Badly raper or drier the position of President over
the Confederate ewes of Italy; and whether, Ia the ever
of the nowerelse Pontiff ateepties that office, It Is ironed
on the pert of bee Ilajente severament to adopt offeateell
saps fa establishing dined apron* rarities wilt the
Court of Rome. As to she deed leesties, I really
ma not competent to give en wawa became se yet
me scalederation has beentarmad. eed we are not to
wok a position with the Pope r would induce
Itim to she as ea riiinatioa es to what his Intention may
I be. I email refer sag boa. end keened bier to the km
end lower mamba tar Deader, who la mai more Neely
to be is rte saddens of his Rollases. art, the soar
1 easedes, whirr In the rest ef the coredaretka we m-
waded to r eddielt diplomats rellerms with the Pope es the
heed of it ; Veer • eadedersden wee estabilehed we word,
me reit, Mee diplematie Menem with the diet whir
nerd iim ft, rim lave diplomas erre' with the
Om.= filderedea. Oar reptertise is incredeled Sr
• the diet ger ladeperent offs
say diplomatic Me-
lees as deny hone with the seredine . wee elm-
, Mfrs the amiliersifor It may be se weiL pee-
Imps, rid I err! ma • what l the kw with
ti dlpletwatio ..- imi • with the Pups. It whi be reg m
lad
re recede air of the bore that some years ego en act wee
pissed ratting her Majesty to tour tatudiplamtio relations
with the Pope. In the upper hoar • dear was issertml,
prevendeg her Majesty from receiving me eccirmtie es his
repesentrive • the roar Raabe dam to consider this es •
bar to the esiabliMmeat of diplomatic alarm with the
genet of Great Reiter The governmeet of Pamir wide'
is • protestant marry; and of Bar" whenis sorcerer
lie, decline to naive at their ere% say alders* as
npresentative of the Pops. Ido not know the reseen, Ire-
dm it is the law or orenries, tat odd ease is the park*
Gm Win part, sad I confess I do act Bade soul mitt the
Pop should maks • dinned= between Reelead on me
bead, end Ramie
re sadla Presets ea the Other, sad should re-
gales as te peal a w before he meld de far es rid be
doss for them. It is true he does not semi repressauulme te
Barka or tie Petersham ; yet he Neer, their rearm-
udives et Rome. With agar le the pastime of
W hasoarable reastur fur Wan Norf. Ili„, I might
simply aster roped with saying at oh or that the
rawer to hie gseelioa mar doper ea a rest Arley of dr-
cammenees, wake In dee time, sod at the proper moment,
It will be the rh*. of the go mmer to take ire dermas
residersties. (Haw, boar.) The hoe. retlemea 'SW
the First Lord al the Trearary whether there is say letelara
on the part of her lielesty's government to redacts the seed
anneinent of the senatry. If I were to say that we her he
iaasathaa ee depart from the emmares papered by err rear
°more, sad whir we have adopted, that mopld be a sail-
civet anewer. As to sae ground dellifbich the her
geatlema has pat his qatedoe—va., in itorequeoce of
atfeeteattue brief base reteived that the Jtuipseor of the
Preach intends to make • reduction in hid real and mili-
tary establabeitter and his setrumpere that thiiinformailea
may be met by a correepedine cheer on our. pert, I might
pit it to the hon. gentleman that although each informal=
may afford bat end °tar bon. martin • . film ground far
puttieg firmed their minim, it would he somewhat proms.
tare to expect the goverowent—(hear, heler)—to glee say
informatioe as to what course they may think it ter ditty
le adopt is comegsesca of en erect' which has not
ria happened, eml of which informative bee sly
received teas it is intended to take pia..
I her no heeketion in recurring In the principle width I
em Wbeen ►lad down, the demur be
for the goverameat of this marry aim Into say vasty
with tartlet country for the MS don of our •14 sad
waiter, eseriklurre is order pre oar asabilehreer
apse • bring to be detereiltied by the arratedemonfle whirl
saarbear
meats y might thialt at to make (Mew, hear.) If
tree were bet two pewees in the world—if you had bat
Resler end Fire-I,elsoold my tbakivaa then is word
be la errieseed we oar not eater rte. Norse the be-
rate of Regime/ end Franca She position which they hove
te mar teia, arm sate* driver, rat no weithenstkal
aronsement NW be entered Into that one country sherd
mike a 'educates Amply beaus the other dad se. Bat the
rase will remelber that there are othrparties to be cos-
✓edered buries Begrad end Preece. There re wren
with whom we Rave SMS, I hap shah mattes. to have,
&Medi), relations, bat with whom thoec relations might elder.
Hance our naval and military armaments most depend ace
up ,n any foreign power, but upon teat which the repos-
sable government of the day may from time to time consider
tote rosseary for re safety of the country. Sir, I can say
no more than that. Of ohm, the duty of the government
ii while on the one hand it propose, to earthman the ester
ii.brente which it ooescientimely beas to be nereerity
for the public safety, on the other hand sot to ranee false
alanns or to burden the cora, to a water extent than
se:emery. With regard to the question pat by the hon.
gentleman, I et informed that the report to which he alludes
will be placed before peelbuieset ten few cloys.

war doled set la MOM, sad the intake was now left se
==ldever. (Hear. bear.) He had • few paps I
as
him to which be wished to call the =Motion of the
kiss., fad heat which they would me the manner in I
Meek the educe of oar amend' sad Sipping was to he I
provided fee. The nest of Domport, when completed, was
ealinaled at 446,0001. ; this year we voted 86,0501., so Sat
the seek would take four yeses to templets (Hear, hear.)
beidentiose of D.iver were estimated at 311,0001., and
this hewing bees only 26,0001. voted, to complete the works I
soda Mee seemly men pars. (Hear, hers.) Tke
Millinery defames were set down at 200,0001., end this per .
terb Seed 15,0001., so that these leeks would take ao Ilse I
Um tube years before they were finished. (Hear, bear.)
Neat, Sere were Pembroke Dockyard and Milford Haim de- I
which 190,0001. we the esteemed expense ; but,
the amounts of this year, ail or seven years would
he antemy for their ootopletiou. Portsmouth, they were
UK WOW rest 400,0001. to make It este : this year they
had wita 66.0001., so that it would take about five years to '
met em the estimate. Then there woe &hey lines' for i
Ida* Sic yes May bed voted 06,0001. It would take
three and • half years to finish. For the Boehm limes
• hed bed • supplementary Me of 80,0001., whilst are
oceMag to the eseheate ft would take atm years at Mat rote I
elf eapaffitere st mike them .client. (Hear, Mex.) &ekes
Bar WOO seldom at 67.0001., and if they voted se amuck
per Ma they had given le the prune lelle dila MIX pare
malt net me It properly defeadoe &a the next eew ,
wawa, Wort extrooresery me of all, Numb that of Pert-
lark (Rear, boar) The Beerstery Of Male hid tell there '
Mw lespertant Portland see (Hear hear.) He (Mr. '
ilemme) had sever heard • Meier enitemeat then that of
the 'islet komeable 'enthuse. The :Eihmourable •
Vet cer andsmi
dia Resew jehsee I'
ime. (Met, hear.) Me rover the right ham gm 1
ad* bed teld them that the work could now be Mae mat
eariamdssily, sad he trended that Mau lialideed it would
maim she harbour wholly insregeible. (He= Mar) fist
thin, waseedisse to the estimates of ebb year, it would take
twenty-use years to oompiees the Ohm* of Portland. '
(Hess ham) Bat there were besides other works, such as
W einamerela arbours, which meld take sows pare is
emplute, whilst Males and Otbraltett would main at WA I
foes years to finish them at the present rest M ye- I
tits the gamy. He had taken these cares from tbe sMh
metes, but ohm were others not In the erdesatee kr whc '
sums sat soma be taken. For instance, there we Wool- ,
wick, the armoury of &skate with frees tea '
to dew minim' meth of public property always will=
Its teal% sad Wooleritob, he we Informed, wholly &dam '
loam (Heer lam.) Three were still other works, all
whisk had Ma wetland by perliment but for aces of
whisk hod any owe as yes ban whim If Mem weeds were '
swessmaty, they were argot; est if Shy wee argue they
oegla to be completed et oece. His attest mile pat all our
deemem Ina state et efficiency, and is ould be milled out '
beet by the royal camaketes whisk bedlam been sppointed.
He Melted hie be. sad pliant Mend der having obtaieml
that commission, sad he expected the beet results from its
appointment. Its report would be meet valuable; its seem
mentlationa mast be tarried out, and may mast be given
=grudgingly for the poops*. (Hoer, bear.) The safety of
England was too poises a thing to be treated as •
qualm of sommy. Too many thanks could not
be given to goadawes oppoeite for the turbots they bad
made during theater= at Office to restore it. (Cheers.) No
g orernottut dammed a moment's forbearance that did not
meow in tub footstep.. (Opposition sheen.) It was now
admitted that the navy of France was no longer to be taken
as • steadied by vetch to regulate the strength of one own,
se even the Freeek had declared that ours should be equal to
thus of Frame and Russ combined. They had been told
that we were making emperimits with iron ships. From
bed completed Me espetionente and her ships were at this
moment afloat. They had been told that we were makieg
pregrem with ear riled cams. France bed need canon
ia ell her shipe red gunboats. (Her, heir.) She bad, is
foe, mate sops ready than we had, and could blockade
ships in our ports, even if our deism were not so incomes,
as ie permit of ber deetroyieg them in harbour. If once the
Channel were tabu from se, England would become at one
peel of the swishod of the wo and a French army
mad come to it as readily as it aald to the Alps or the
Shim Booed. seek • (WOWe be aver attempted, they
=rely apes .14 that the Pim& Farmer would
every soldier foe Whale he elooM nest me
Means - d treaspart. They Wald Mies vita the
Collacionleen that they weee one vaa Swims
bops, IS three weeks Mks theloader. woad be mai-
er Leaden wieuhl be tam. it would not latia wow
bet a writhe, snake seadenses would be see gnat sir
:
' meat of he mum It might not happen now, per la 20
Pees ; bas 1111 gam, slthistilt • lag spate Is their fedivi-
*owl won% was se nothing in the life of a make and
whether now en hoossams should have whiniest •
Saws to ISMt et Smeffiet army or volunteer/.
(Hear, hem.) Could any arsey that we had raker at to
prosiest =meat P hoer.) There had recently boa
• popular movement in favour of the raising of volonterre,
and the geese' favour with white it was received showed
that the people were alive to the danger in which the nation
was placed. But Mese mimeo= bad received nay • @bill-
ing support from the proem gemernment. 8e mach so that
people said, .• If we bed so army or navy, nor red-tape, the
national spirit wield be snakiest to provide for the defence
of the coal:dry." But certain peens seemed to think It
Moot better that Elegised should be conquered than that
say encouragentest shoal.] be given to such an inuovstios
▪ esteblished rules. They knew that in 1803 we had
400,0.00 voluateers, sad that yet we thanked Providence tbat
We bad the channel Mu to dusted ea. (Hear, Mar.) Now
semen re Cold tbat the valuation meld sot beamed becaus
• Belgian house had Mod a tellies advisee on an order for
40,000 rift -s. lie tested he should hove fres the minister
sestradetkin Otherness tket welted been deprived .140,000
Aka In commuseceof a diereses dal:pence in the pries la
See ammeters what wee the ..duct that they ought
perm P It wee, to pat Busload mare' loped the
teach of academe (Hear.) He bad we the
Emperor of the Fromm ; he never could forgot that that
sovereign found France in • stare of anarelay, and that
ha had Weed the material glory, the materiel power, and
the Impious sad prosperity of the people, sad for this they
admired, resume, Meowed, end obeyed him. Between
the ruler end the rated, • pow, rid sovereign and a noble and
gallant people, there had .risen true and perfect aooord. Ike
internal administration of France was cone of uor busies',
but although we had no eat to meddle with that,
we were justified In watching the foreign policy
of the Emperor, and see that while he pewees:el
the Meow of brenee be did nothing to tarnish oars.
And when he was asked why ha thought that at some fate»
tuna we might be at war with Francs—why be insulted the
Emperor by suspecting that he would at some time or other
invade this country, he meet reply, what ever body in the
Mau silo behoved, teat he beloved la the posibility of emir
with Franco became the Emperor bicoself believed In it, as
was evident from the preparations he was cooking; and he
believed in the possibility of an Sweats beast= every own
In that house believed that that would necesoardy be coo of
the lint mope is each a war. No was it say insult to the
Emperor of the Fresh to believe la the poseibility of whet
he tells, you h posit*. No man me over Mood to a throes
we Mut *akin more pries to advertise to the world what he
believed to be hie furore destiny than the Emperor of the
French. He wee a man of thought before he was en Emperor,
sad alter outdoing ripe are, he gave to the world in works
of deep thought and feeling a programme of his thoughts
and his policy, and whenever be wrote said spoke, whether is
an exile In London. a prisoner in the fortress of Han, or
whether he was appetites for life before the pone of Frame
be on all =Mona gave evidenos of being •
man of great purple, and inflexible will ; and whether it we
the dream of the exile, the prayer of the captive or the
apptel of the candidate for power, all his ospiratione sad
&skis painted to one day of national retribution, and re- •
rod me word which no Frenchman, he said, could spook
without wooden. Consistently with that fading be had
Ind Ws ma with the belief that he sad they had or
ere assahia still unfulfilled, until, by one great sad
enterprise they had Mewed the stains of France's
hurntliatioes and moat etopendem national disuse
(Oh, oh.) Hs (Mr. Haremm) dui not say this in disparage- I
meet of that illes roue mice who could nut surely be
offended at their accepting as true whet be bed avowed. Bat
hie hoe. friend who interrupted bin would say perhspe that
this was the old story; bat did his hon. friend Mow that'
thou works had recently teen reproduced in France, that
they had bees revised, reprised, and pablisbed under the
authority atlas &mese bit:mole and that they were middy
circulated and largely reed ansopet the French people? And
what was the Sleet they produced on the minds of those
people? They said, We regard them as an iodiestion of
the policy of the Emperor.'. To them they ware • key
to Memo what otberwhe would be =intelligible—
vie , the reason for those mat naval and military preparations
aback Frame was waking. lie would not refer to what befell
to be a notorious Mee but of which the ministers of tie
crows must nrcemartly be better interned than he could he,
viz., that ever oleos the pesos of Viltanues, so for from the
mtivity is the Fmach dockyards and creenata decreseim,
they had been, up to the asst twenty-four hours, very tome
on the itierem. (Hear.) Yesterday, however, the noble
lord (J. Rumeell) Did the home of an iumouncement just
niede in the Hesitate, that orders had been given for • re-
daction of anamones. No one would wish so dimioi.ll the
importmee of that announcement; but if England sad
.
and

Nines woe beak eras • war "
been otitis; large preparations ender the Ides that we arm*
menaced, and that war was in immediate prospect, this an
Intimation that a reduction was tottered in the military form
of France might be of great consequence to this ones-
by. But what he would Impress upon the bore
lied the owastry was, that the force of Treace was et the
eessmmeminat math above what was for her Pm*
tawnialoneat, and whatovw might to dons e 7 dwoiin de-
venurnik, theta was a adshasak of power below which the
=lLeft never to allow bar esenwess **noes to
la tom Ordinal puss, is the aver-evableasa
drew we bad allowed oar power 1 lases sa below
fiat minimum. They were far Miser whet was meneary
Fw • peace establiehmene, and whoa we loolsot hark to the
Ihnis that the mutiny broke oat fa bulk, bow weak ws wen,
delheadno, sad how halplins we ware eat UM%