The Express.
London, England, 1858-03-23 00:00:00

(Stamped Id. Additional.) [TWOPENCE.

" heartily end sincerely, on the tree faith or a Cluietien."
(Cheers•)

Mr. lIAGUIRE said it was a mistake to guppies that the
catholic members were opposed to the emancipation of the
Jews. On the other han they ware swag the meet ardent
supporters of the manure. (Hear.) It was the ditty of the
Roman catholic* to protest against the wrongs dose to the
Jew, in order that they might have a stronger case wham
they asked the home to nBew them from the humMatbsg
oath they were sow compelled to faker. He was prepared to
go forward with the noble lord, necemary. (Hear, hear.)
Let the Jew be raised to the same level as themselves, and he
would no Leger be open to the charge now brought against

Yr. ROEBUCK congratulated the house on the
taryaidinctia: thwheichhonbad. seembirllr made
NbtirthtlieWherwimpeckshwere-ire,
based on their view of the religious character of the Jews.
Mr. Walpole had described them as good citizen., good
fathers, and good rues, and said that if he consulted his-feel-
ings he would admit them at once. (Hear, hear.) Mr.
Newdegate bad painted them as false, faithless, unsociable, ,
and unfit for society. This was no exaggeration of hie'
language. (Hear.) Did they mem to ray that if a Jewess.:
into that home, or two or three J anything nosh! be
done by that meembly which • Christianman would abject
to, and dose became those people were admitted ? No.. So
keg as a man gab end the seffiregis of his fellow-men, fulfilled
the duties of a good aide's, and fulfilled also the requisites
of the law, he matt to be admitted to be a member of parlia-
ment. (Hew, boar.) He had Ann esti to the Jews,
" Why dos% you take tine mama? 0o; these tree
Derr tpdb--eay the lase nerds, se the tree laMbiltrj:
Chrlerfae,' meld then add, 'There wads base no siert
upon me, but all your law compels me to take
it I take It.'" (Chews, and miss of " Oh, oh.")
He saw some super-sublimated gentlemen on the other side
of the hones who appeared to object to that. He wanted to
know how many members of that boon there had been who
were not Christians; and if the Jew were to say, "Although
I eat • Jew I will repeat the wards of the oath," he
have done nothing to be inhumed of, the sham would rest
with those who oompelled him to do so. (Laughter from the
minfaterial side.) He would not hide anything front them.
If the advice which be (Mr. Roebuck) gave ten or twelve
years ago had been acted upon the inefficiency of the metric.
don would have been men, and parliament would bare been
compelled to alter the law. He was convinced that
the right honourable gentleman (Mr. Walpole) was
right in supposing that that was the last time be
would have occasion to speak on this subject. (Cheers.)
Driizaby day he had seen the great principle of religious tole-
gaining ground, and from the very first time when he
embarked in politics he had never beheld its course turn
back. He trusted that he should soon see the last rag of re-
ligious intolerance torn away from the British constitution,
and that they would at length be, what they ought to be, a
truly tolerant people.
Sir R. BETHELL, who rose amid loud cries of " Divide,"
said he had never heard a speech with greater pleasure than
he felt in listening to that of the Secretary of State for the
Home Department, and he congratulated the booms that the
right hon. gentleman had rises superior to all official reserve.
His words were eminently bona verb' ; they were prophetic
of what they had long desired to see—the termination of this
most unprofitable discussion on the subjeot under considera-
tion. Speaking with the feelings which prompted the noble
earl now at the head of the government, in April, 1830,whem
he voted for a droller bill to the present one, the right hon.
gentleman had told them—and told them in a tone which
showed that he did not regret what be had to divulge—that
that would be the lest time that they would be compelled to
enter upon this painful discussion. He hailed the right hon.
gentleman's speech with plessurs—(laughter)—and trusted
that the expectation which he had held out would not be
falsified by the result. The very feet that the Jew wen
eligible for election, and yet could not take hie seat, warn an
anomaly leading to the conclusion that there was some error
in the augnmest of those who were opposed to his admission.
Repeated applications for the removal of this anomaly
having been made during the lest tan years, and those appli-
cations having been backed by ism majorities in that house,
be would give this pledge—and be hoped there would not be
wanting persons who would assist him in carrying it out—
that it the bill should be again rejected, he would take that
course which, in the committee in Augoat but, was about to
be taken by a moat distinguished member of that house.
The right hon. gentleman the member for Dreitwich (Sir
J. Pakington)—he was now mentioning what did not appear
in the report, because, unfortunately, the amendment
proposed was never put—the right hon. gentleman
gave notice that be should move the following resolution
" That in the opinion of this committee the words of sec. 8
of the 6 and 6 William IV. o. 62, include the Hones of Com-
mons as one of the bodies dierebaitiempowered to make orders
authoriidog end directing the Mica of a declaration in
lieu of any oaths now required to be taken, but that the
committee, apprehending that considerable difficulty and
embarrassment might possibly arise from an order made by
the House of Commons for substituting a der in lien
of the oath of abjuration now required to be taken by mem-
bers of the house, are therefore not prepared to recommend
the Howe of Commons to act upon the powers given by the
said statute, unless it should ultimately appear to be
the only constitutional course by which seem great
public object can be effected." He adopted them words at s
right hot. baronet now holding a distinguished that
in bar
Majesty's councils ; and if, by the experience of that erselon,
they should unfortunately be satisfied that the " great public
object" could not be accomplished in the meaner in which it
had been attempted to be effected during the last ten oedema
years, be would give the house an opportunity—unlme the
noble lord, who was undoubtedly entitled to be the leader fa
this matter, adopted the words as his own—of ad0ta1..1.1.!
language of the First Lord of the Admiralty, and
that the bowie was not only empowered but justified
called upon to make this crier, because it was the only con-
stitutional means by which this great, just, and highly in-
cumbent object could be accomplished. (Hear.)

Yr. L.ViIGRAII must say that the hon. and learned
had not presented accurately to the mind of the
what passed in the committee of last year. (Cries of
"Divide.") He had forgotten to state that the question was
never agitated in the committee, whether it would be
competent to the house, under the act of parliament, to emit
the words. "on the trite faith of a Christian." That very
important question was not raised. As regarded the Lon. and
learned gentleman's declaration that the application made
of these words was a fraud upon the act of parliament, he
maintained that a more fallacious argument was never used.
It was teas that the words were not introduced into the act
of Jame the lint with any notion of excluding the
Jews, the rearm being that there were at that time
no Jews in the country, but they were retained in
the ad of George the Third with the full
knowledge that they would have the effect of excluding the
Jews; and on three occasion. the Jews came before the
legislature and virtually acknowledged, by what they asked
for, namely, permission to omit the words in particular came,
that such must be their effect. Nothing could be more unhir
than to say that the Jews were excluded by an accident—
they were excluded by an act of Cho. 111., with full know-
ledge beforehand of its effect.

Lord J. RUSSELL, in the course of a general reply, in-
sisted that the exclusion of the Jews stood on the mar
ground r that of the Roman catholic, and would bar been
long since removed if the Jewish body in England were
not munerically weak. Be proceeded to notice end
rebut various objectless to the bill which had been
urged in the course of the debar. He concluded
with saying:—Thee was one expression of the
right bon. gentleman which, like my bon. and learned
bird (Sir R. Bethell), I was glad to hear. I
was glad to hear him say that he hoped that this was
the bet thus be should have to add'sr the house on this sub-
ject. (Hear, hear.) I have seen of late that there has bees
that symptom which I remember during the catholic question
as a favourable sign that the contest 7.2proaching its
termination, when men who had been op to the move-
ment came down debate after debate, an owned their con-
' version to the principles which they had hitherto resisted.
In the last debate upon this subject the right hon gentleman
the First Lord of the Admiralty made a most able speech for
the admiron of the Jews; and although we have not the
advantage as we had under the late government of a cabinet
unanimous—(no, tar)—unanimous at least in this house—
for the bill, I believe there will be three members of the go-
vernment who will vole in its favour. (Hear, hear.) I
think therefore, that there i a prospect of the question ap-
proaching • favourable termination. I believe the right
. gentleman Is entirely wrong in believing that the wOe
of this country take no lateral is the matter. (Hear, ter.)
I believe, on the contrary, that the general feeling the
country is, that the time is come when Jews ought to be ad-
mitted ; but I think that even if it was not,
this house ought to set a good example by passing a law of
this kind. (Cheers.) If we look back to illeall t
times we see that persecution and even the putting
seas to death our spproved of and countenanced by of
ell religious denes. At a later period
were prohibited hem preaching k market togas. Las
Sill, Rama eadmike bees boa preldbial kens emmaides
their image as memeitire of parlimsat ; sad aelli they
was at ban
isilied to saw as phew@ le whisk tbmy
were se eatided, ham AM peeseratisa take
a ferm. I Ind thet tholes, is some viesa
waleterpat sa meil to sibmptimr, ma was puma et
brat,ar-
rews aka= waits admilied at a morel palled
equality. a my opidia. a as kola welt • mat aldose
Whig oaatrary to Chriselern ware meat bead itesasst
1 to the purpose far wida the Clakika OM was
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kw of imy sad le bid ma treats la we beadmased. I
believe that It woe Weeded to pd aa ad es • stew of dap
la which teen stood towards each saw k the wham al
persecutor sad victim. sad to ha arm apaff to Ile Weds
of mutual dirty. (Load ram.)
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ways Sara with mimeo to Me mom= await be fterbed
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diamond, the opponents of the bill would be ea able and ad
candid as the right hon. gentleman. (Hear, hear.)
The committee than divided :
The house divided :
For the clause 297
Agalast it 144-163
The result was received with loud cheers.
Mr. WIORADI asked to what oases the 6th clause would
M:
J. RUSSELL said that the clause Meted to the
statute of Om. IV., and to some other statutes relating to
the oaths taken by certain municipal takers.
The other clauses ware that agreed to, end the third reed-
ing appointed he the 12th of April.
CONSULAR SERVICE.
Mr. J. FITZORRALD moved for a what corandelse er
comular alMulatmate. The matter wee ofsannt
iposemehi
for it affected a very large clam of most ral
servants. The government had ISOW St eassissoll a e vet
MIS of hdartnatioa collected Ivy desk peadeemsere, but
ofeleaksiZiti it better to subriaxiitaathaey Ws 6
seirsas :at a commi
thstr ownt;
this atter.

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settee on this subject, and with a view to fnraiah materials
for the committee certain returns had been made, which wer•
presented this erasion.
Mr. WISE thought it quite unneoeseary to say anything
la support of this motion, but he could not fortur from
1= the hon. gentlemen who had made it. He hoped
lie each an inquiry as would end is doing jostles to
the country and justice to the consols ; because he was quite
convinced that while they did the one, they ought to attend
to the other, and that if they intended to b.ave good moods,
they mast pay them properly, which would be real economy.
Mr. ESMONDE oomplained that there was not a single
Irish -amber cm either this committee or on anothsr which
was to be moved that night.
Mr. J. EWART, as a member for a large commentsl
town, impressed his satisfaction at the appointment of dm
committee, the result of which he thought would be of great
OdVEßtille to the °pantry.
Mr. WHITE, having travelled in various ports of the
world, could speak to the absolute neesmity of a committee
to inquire into our consular service. May years ago Mr.
Disraeli made a speech on this subject replete with informa-
tion, and Lord Carlisle, in offering omplanations of the
eccentricities of some of our oolongs, said the natives of the
Levant bad a theory that as soon as a man was nominated &
consul he want mad. He would not say that, but he thought
the house, with all the respect it had for one of its own
members, would certainly not give credence to some circum-
stances sad farts which had come under his own personal
observation our consuls. Mr. Disraeli's speech
was in 1840 and CarlisWe observation in 1843, end yet
the comeekr service remained as it was.

The mattoswee then egreed to.
EAST INDIA COLONISATION.
Mr. W. EWART moved that the following members be
nominated the ailed oommittee on Colonisation and Settle-
ment in India:—Mr. William Swart, Mr. Baillie, Mr.
Campbell, Mr. ion, Mr. Kinnsird, Mr. Knight, Mr.
Lowe, Mr. Lygon, Mr. Mangles, Sir Erskine Perry, Mr.
Denby Seymour, Mr. John Benjamin Smith, Mr. Vanaittart,
Mr. Charles Villiers, and Mr. Willoughby.
Mr. EBMONDE said the same objection applied to this
committee which applied to the last—there was not a single
Irishman on it.

Mr. P. O'BRIEN thought the constitution of committees
generally deserved greet consideration.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was always
to find Irish members on committees, as they sided them
glad
talent, and their presence on committees was do-
le; but, at the rams time, if they laid down a rule that
every section of the United Kingdom should be represented
on committees, it would be inconvenient. There were
instances in which special information was required, and it
might be desirable that neither an Irishman nor a Scotahman
should be appointed, If It happened that among the English
members there were individuals who ouaht to be on the men-
miues. He did not think, however, that the complaint was
just, as he bound that on one of the committees there was
distinguished Irish member, and on mother which was about
to be proposed there was another distinguished Irish member.
Colonel Taylor, who wee also a member of the government.
After a few words from Mr. Balta.!' sad Mr. EWART,
the motion wu steroid to.
BILLETING SYSTEM.
General PEEL moved that a committee be appointed to
inquire into the operation of the present system for the bil-
leting of troops, and to report whether any, and, if any, what
moditcations and improvements might be made therein. It
wee not his intention, he said, at present to move the names,
which had bean inserted to the =Um by mistake.
The motion was agreed to, and the home adjourned at ten
minutes to one o'cloc.k.