The Express.
London, England, 1859-03-29 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 29, 181.

after the first general elintion the demand for
er rwr, which is isow spesediarr, will become anivenal.
(Hear, hear.) Vr• lad a downisioa oft wedaion.7 Wanight
ww this very question of voting pew. at mualciptl eieltlot • ,
wwd the hoe to.inber who intrAticr I he meanie, 411.1 it we:
band that under the sy.itini at v.)t n 4 p .p, r• acenrs who
wore uneble to write were often frowlol,at.y iwilooed to wan
for die wrong esedidate. (Hes-, heir.) And this boa.
ISS•lber pr..powd that voti- per, eli•aild be so yySprr
. .

fee larir tows stemma. (Hear, Ism) In 102, the noble
tad (1.4.1 J. Russell) eald that 4, thee. the toreemeishi
halm • proper nemessurtaina, he did .ot teamed that they
ehmit interfere with the counties." (Hem, bear.)01:1113
was tee eery principle of thconisiizm . (
Age* the sable lord et tba the pm.
wet bill would deed the ha whit ad.
voters. Mit Ina a most subject for Marimba Is
cemenitt e, Out It woe ebnvd to say that it a:militated say

wed st Zuri.eipal electione. Ten hive here not premed Soo*
thin h owe, by volotottil cosset, voiliout doeoo. n, rrork
theme ember perm sat of the a• utterly Milefensibla;
and cow we hays the proposal made in the hit of the govern-
weed. (H. or, hour) I would appeal to Mr. Baines, mad I
think he will tell the homes, boos it. Isms asporionoe at Um
head of tbe l'44erdaw board, tint eves Is this elation of
rearliass, where doers le much local mcimutent, these Adis.
papers ars found to lead to the vary graved amass.
I go into them: details to show bow 1111111efOUI an
nay obi, toss to Mi. =SWIM, and why, if the Mg be
tressed to a moist" reading. I eassot vote for it. Rev,
hoer ) I o' yet ad metber to the lodger frasehim. H 4 tie,
hear.) I 44.) that totems ors s clam of rmraosa who ars of
tw tt populatioa ; they have so settled habit.; them
to no payment 44 tams, aid so shifts, Mime. (H 4 or,
benr.i le I. as innovation not coupled with reeideam of the
roymeot of 1,1. P. and tuna; sa4 it von were to lower it
Ir ;m it.. to 46., I Wises you might so, imam to naivete.'
rutlrate. (Hear, bear.) I hem also rest doubts about
ogre of th new franchisee. Why an remillosted school.
I...asters t r ham votes? (Hear, hoar.) In me of the die.
eu.ei ins on the educative qoastios I ventured to predict that
the govertoont w odd have miry eztessivir imeafTwO over oho
e 1... ; but I never ezrecte I to me the propsiles made that
To as eh mid be Aim arttdastel olboolassorters. Theo, writ
r. god tt reaelioners ; the word' of the blll are
promo. no lover pmstasently employed ;" bst than
la so doubt they will be quint sada the M-
ilan,. of the goverameat. (Hoar, hoar.) AA to the
401. savlage-bank framettise, th• mom I relied spas
It the be. operative I think it will be; sad it will be
unjust. (fear, hear.) Ilsppme ft wen a semmessty gaud d-
eems for a rie4r ow a sopormer to vote is either boom of
garhaitiest that ho eltosld have a holism of 6,0001. at his
losher'e, boa many do you think artutd ha able torn of
(Cho ere and kindlier.) rrobably ant is ISM. Gobbag

&Trimmest easiest the second r adisig. It was obviate that
as amendoett residence would can the evil com-
plained of; and this was kin (Sir J. Pakiaginees) mower to
the right hoe. biome (Sir J. (inhere). He most, how-
ever, strongly protest against the ate of the phrase di..
franchise, " as=rarts the proposed change with regard to
the borough . With the exceptios of • very few
who had already votes in the borough It which they had
freeholds, it was Masud to say that any would be disfran-
chised. (Hoer, heir.) Tim, agate, both the noble Ion!
(Lord J. Rattail) sad the right honourable baronet
complained of the identity of suffrage ; but
what were their oes proposals to 1854 ?
In the list of franchises be kited the porameion of 1001. a-
year hue ealary, 101. a- year from the funds, peynteet of 404.
messed tmee or income-tax, graduates of ell universities,
and 60/. ha the sayings bank. nen were fire sterf.anchises la
that bill Lea year, when the hon. member for East Stuny
proposed to do away web the dist motion as to the ocrupati
fraerh.se in c.au,see tad boeuttw, the right has. berme t
voted forth. moths. (ber.) Of the s .von franchises proposed
in the bill, dm were prop:aid by the noble lord. Thehoure had
mended to the Iris iple of 'dainty, and theafore there only
remained slut proposed treatise of the freeholders. A good
dm! had bale mid of the distinctive character of the hen-
chin le comities and boroughs ; bet tient the ptsting of the
set of 1832 the dialectics bad been loss. la 1851 the noble
lord adnutt d that the Charles clause had totals Mead the
character of the comaqq true-bite. The ad of I&U did with
regard to bores& freeeoidws above 101. wbat this bill pro-
posed to do with the others. If this was disfranchisement, that
also wee didninchisameat. The present meant only ex-
tended to ether deems of freeholders a piaci* already
adopted by the boom. The examen might be imprudent,
bet it was absolately ammissest wish fla MT legal...Jos.
With retard to the voting he admite 1 there might be
-t Candi' 'es if it could tenured

emit suet ..) . .tea
tells it, *lit err • a senator prop-end a cheese is a hada-
hostel law, be stood forth is the sereenbly of the people
silk a recd resod ki. melt sad if the her were Trier. ed the
humane r wee iessitly eterregtal. (Chem and laegbter )
I k ye my ri.r•.r lens. Meade well sot Maxim Me a sowed
that I es ete-...etier each sheep pints la tbeetr res. (lt• -
sewed lesirivee) I undenterad that deryeetheir contemplate
err.seise se, than test we Amid be allowed to
strasele true. I eine very mach with Mr. Enke
that if the neneessent do ant cos the write think It cos-
ign. w with their duty to take tile seders sad proceed
with the bill, sad should desire to typal to the 'matey, sad
defer die ermine of the royal irerugetive, I should be meet
miefilleg to take say fateSas cones thee (odd Impede
them in ibieg so. (Hear, hes.) But I say this, that •
Mat y ale( r. rivong will tees ia the sett porlissent-
Or et. M -for in lay wary so web seepossibiley was
ever yet imitated by say executive r.versaeat. (liver.
hear) Thee ran side sems are theirs; or cosaidestir a is
lenrlewly end nadestatiegly to do oar duty by this hill.
(Chets.) I as adeleisi thla tows of eurportSg the nem-
Irk a as • milder course Ikea that et reje ring the ball es the
✓ood toadish, for whir! I as peepared; bet If their seCal
M honor sat duty ebesid lied theta to cogeider the ship
thee of Ode molatins se egidedest to the rejection of their
sealer* sad set seetedieglr, try else stride iy tbe roe-
seggester. (Hear, has.) 'I as me they loin admit that
I here 1110 i tar a any ferias tours in oppoitios to them;
I have a t (heist liar overthrow, aid dr sot sow aerate tt ;
but If they Aisle et to mat their fate, they suet 0111,111BUI)
all the dearest se well se all the &Menhirs But oar course
Pais. We moat do oar duty obits we imala repro Ma-
risa of the pis le of this cosany ; tv that sold* people
whom w • ren meat misread be reedy at all ii 111414 t t give
as seems of the swam in wale& we have acted. Bet Me
my pert. I onset renege at eves to support tile essolatlns,
ea I, if nowessey, to vote agstast the stored rerdiag of the
bit. (Cr. re.)
Mr J. PAK INGTON, is replyiag to Ble J. Graham,
elm tad of the e eons term by Lord J. Resell in reifies
• taw'. rpm as abstract reeeSties, Sifted of oodles the
bill • i-h • dlrect seeptive. He had takes ems rim to
sweetens tr au the Wien authority how far the soles hord's
pored age woes casaisiest web the seal ranks of die
house, sad bet bat so is eitetion is Metering that they were
irregular mad uspernessentary. right has. trersis
proceeded lo ironment up a the otjeciinas which had I tea
retie to the till, depeseatiag particularly the vrec.it of
Lord l'elioe mon. who, be raid, teal adapted a toss
ertiVAILOI. •ItUjitiatT seen.l between ge cermet'
who set owed* to each ante r is that bone.
He ce nid holt up a lie lrapasp is so other
Het Os en r wanting Is due reapet to the crown.
They weld sot mirsaderetatd the attempt of the noble Tr-
eeing to pros tr. Is a Olken/ ea tra question. (Hear.)
Tb-re hat bees • setesetie attempt era the part of ling.
saltless opposite-which had been carried sill ranker by
the treble elsomi-to place the government on the b en. ed
a drieseurr-(laughter, *ad nis of bear, be .r")-t-e make
them avow diet they woeld Sand pernuumently by
sots part et the bill, or that they would cowed*
seryibing. bear.) Tb• proveranrest did not Steed
to allow the noble els:oast t t p:aea them la that ddeinnts.
I beg to tell the tors Soonest sad the hoses (cognised Os
rigr bunt a ), la tbe saw of the government -(ited
mho of ••cort,c")- 1 at they have two course rims to there.
Try may pee. toe *woad reedits of Ibis bill, or 'hey may
pan the fc..43''012 ; but if they par • the meolutio• they well
as have Ili. bill. (Load ores sad clank r-clier...) I am
sus the trio•r .did think it far better As we should a.m.) In

greets- _ese In preettsZOSer)—but if it could Warr*
out, it would be • most eel le poppet, and nal& thou•
see& of Toners to vote who bars item exerthel Muir trio-
ebbe. A remerkabbe fasten of the retest steak* wee the
small wasebee of electors who lolled at Maryletona the other
der. Oat of 21,000 armee, say 10,000 rowed. U. thieved
sloe state if things ones from the dbloctleation as the part
of =ley peaces to esconster she taramil sad ilitemetreaer, end
onadasel duet a • contested electios, med If they read,
without say dearer of emut privies enable all thew to
vete, they would costar • greet boos. (Lbw, beer) The
right be.. bare odd It woad had to the tollet, bat be amid
sot see the danger of thaL Theo sem so escrow shoot the
voting papas. There might be dalleully In pro- ,
ladies the system from abue bet that was • question
It, the committee. He bed bees sorry to hear
the right hos. baronet rapers as opinion opposed to the
lodger boachiw. He wee the Ire Vatesnien who had done to.
Ho mid that if they reduced the lodger franchire fron ga. to
es. • •elt, they orght as well go to uniedeal euffrage et
thee, Ent why should they do to It would be as tewolattle
to pay that if they reduced the compati so franchiser from 10.1.
to U. they would coed to It alto. He liaise I the lodger
(rawhide though the lowest sad snot liberal sees oleo one of
the safest ; it would eatesd the Gaschise to a very large elms,
end girl the mama apyreees toes education framcWas which
it wee poreitls to • t do. Boma limo ago he htd • case r-
ealm on the euliact t f rsfens wi. h • patients far who..
be enterteit d tbe highest soviet, although &Amiss widely in
*piston, Mr. Jr mph &urge, of Birmingham. Mr. Marge
sad be would be vary glad to compromise the quake of
the frameless for ea elscotto fousehas ; be replied be
thought there would be gnat difficulty in spplyisi • test,
Mr. &urge then said be would elude any was who told
wets Ma isms Ho hared the result would la that many
would be she to write their names end nothing else, bat
le behold the lodging flanchise would admit • large
wastor of elseeted wed moot competent stn, and be wee
sorry to lad the eight hos. baronet opposed it; be hoped
that where've, • Mena bill pawed it would be becheded.
(Her, beer.) He wool& net loupe, detain the boom.
(Hear, beer.) He bed eadeaeoutert to answer the argu-
ments which had bees brought &gene him. He hoped,
may memo be felt sanguine, that tEo r • thitlen
of the setae lord, which was a most unfair mode
of treating the bill, would be will beaten. (Hate.
boar.) They were ready to share the Issue of the diri-
otos, sad they wdahl wait until the division of the hones
wee taken on their pit dosa We, they stated what
their eoeese would be. (Cheese.) He meet my It was most
dealrable sow the qatetion bed ben tweeted, that it should
be eettlad. He bood. the bnoso would go tau omemitter,
end meet them is • five spine. The noble lord, by proposing
▪ resolution, hat male the morale that be doe not
sot them fairly in the fem. (Cheers.) The 1e.40, how-
ever, bed toes false Ibyt ie how° ; it must be decide'. Let
sot the hots., let not the country, ntiothe what
that wee. The sine was not whether they should
have ibis bill Cr tntwtna this bill, Cr whether they
we&d per the Geeing*. resolution. The belie for the House
of Commons to decide was whether it would now grapple with
this difficult que.t. to, and go Into committee in a fair third,
reedy to area t what was ;owl, and amend what was objec-
tionable. If the boos, would do twat, they would be *Ste to
settle thin ghetto on pnncip:ee of etre and temperate
relies; but If they iii not they would fling this great sub-
e.46breed, one, t 1,1 and uctertwa, to await adjustment
er, not In • egirit of ma rocuervattce teens, but of
wild drosoaretie blotter ion. (Led rt.)
Mr. OLADBTO.IL stored the eilicurnment of the delete.
Tbe SPEAKER haying put th r question of the sojourn-

mete uadvest tod.og, We don't west to bare any Nines al meats
thin trying t, entrap us. (Chew.) There hoe bees arrest fit' 6. GREY sail—l wll avail myself, air, of the
too tow of r—a great lea more than is coandstent oppostusity abided by the motion to attentioa to
wall cur pooitim, or with Linen on the part of hoe. ovule. the etsteueot of the right hon. banmet who has just
men opposite. Whom) A* my n..ble friend Lori Stanley eat down, which it is doe to you, dr, phalli! MN is
hos 11,11 ...id, etc hare to shiek shut is cone ieteat cob over the sadist possible antics of the hones The right boa.
esif.respe t and with our bosom. (L. ad chore.) This la bsr..a-t stores he hod eviosaded the highest authooty as
the Impugn a hieh un the pot of the w .vt earnest I with to to the roles and proles of the house, sad lie wait
hold. We look up m tit 3 etiolation as a Motile oat, awl the atirwistd to .tat that the resolution roped by soy
only thing we eon do is to resist it. (" Heir, hear," noble Maid we amp ilimaillta tad ileeenlare I helve the
and hare) What we c ,ay fate committee we hot name for believing that when di.) right hon. bni set
aeon be truth gently to raeoasider the murion of wade Mat Itetewint lee wee tredsr • tog aiestillheliekte of
Identity or of the borough freshokier ; bat we will not allow the oisisian of slist (right to be the highest authority.
couvelves to be fettered by a preliminary promise,whot witeht (Cams.) I apprehend, Sit, that you sitnog is that chair
he iccoosistent with the pro tee of the bone. (Hear, hear.) .1i the highest authority, and if • rcodoi fin improlerly
If y.. 0 heti met WI 1% • fair evert we would have met p.m is flamed had to en oleved In your hands, 7nu would hove e.fuset
the ices.; IMO as 'hie resolution is before a., we can to put it. (Hem) I make thief stmetnent ss I Meow the right
say smiting. It is invoseistent with our duty to rivettah3 it, hoc. baronet wag under a obit' minappreheosim se to what
sod till it is dieposed of we tee say on mom. (Cheers.) If Sew -;eini.in was. If the right boo. ',avocet referred to
the 101 l Roe. taco committee, my right his. fri-ad (Mr. *ny • n her p ovon, 1 must deprecre say misuses to •
Dimattil) has fairly sod (rankly told you shot will ha the promo whom this house does not magnum I sow, sir,
coarse of tie goverstorat ; hat I mutt is, that it was beg ravesdully to all on you to statewhenher this msedstima
seedless t r him to do to. I was taialy 'myriad to bar is in pour pinion onvorlionentary or irrecolar.
my Ash( beta. final(Hr. weivete) cehieg s rooree *hi,* Sir J. PA KI N 3TON—I am touch indthted to the right
I embed help belief that be will be sorry for —(leoghter)— hon. boonet for peit it me ea opportunity of eaphtioing
lryiag to evrangle us is a promise with regard to throe parts en repro..inn ..2 which he bas gland a 111.1111.
of the bill which he objeete to. My right hos. friend add Ind very die-rent hem whet I intended, I did sot
that if we would only give op our plea and take his he Lent to marry that you hod apart d any op*nion on the
woull support us; hat so one is more coaveriant with the abject ; wed if the weed highest" • caged roe it wee Mad.
forme of the hoes ass my right boo Lima, stud he haws errantly. What I int-noted t woe that as 'sty great
perfectly that whas we get ono rotrunittss—(a lash —it d mato were enteettited how for the Tedolo'ioe was Jerlthel
will be rawest to his end sty h' has. Meal (Mr. Hs- by precedent, I mingle! the very hivhot authority oat of
ley) to move that the musty french's., to reited to 20/, sad doom rot I meiotic-1a strong opinion 'bathe pectooding no
the lows frasrlyse reduced to hone hold soffrage. (Ctesete.) the pest of the noble lord meet, to eitY the teak, irregular„ sad_
Nobody Meows better shot it is quite comp tent to the bore thereehtent with the nenet practice. (Cheer...) said teat
*deride ghost or my ether mos ioarin c ituruigie, end when it had been daunted how tar you would he joittlfisd
k boa decid-d them it will then be for on to determise whet precedent in Puttied • resolution from the chale-
t:mom we tasty outrider it oar du'y to take. I oosfess that TM revolt Via that whether la accordance with the gemeral
etre the mole to which the gammas has bees obit open anodes or not, it would am hove bon competent Is you t)
this OCCIIIIIOO, erd the mime of the opmeibot we have expo have reflood ti put the resolution. I hope that thin raplasse
fleeced, I beard with empties th, tom of the sable viseouties ties be suffieient.
laneuthe woh ryvd lo the speeth of my Lea. hired The SPEAKER—After the spiced that has been mule
the Solicitor. Far the able vk,u6(.6 priest. sir:,6% to me I trust the house will permit me to say • few word. en
ant oly eat have ramereep et Ors I h toe, but with hie public the subjent of the renilution. Now the fart is, that the
conduct I ham fropeestly bleu oh lied to dad fault, and Pear of moving revolutions to the way of amendment,
• to en than en this Waal. (Liaghter.) It tinny be ethyl of having bon rebtegoi by modern practios, hes been
mousier to hen goatlems, to ha., shat, but it is greatly limited and reettieted. It was very atemodly looted
tioa of topreou which I hive a right to florins. I c sadeioa by the right boo. member for Culotte ht the course of Me
aod resale the tastes of the sale Ltd, and I will sot 'Mob, that In the melt de!' of his Fertfitaletter7
Womb Manesyths tee. We treat • little awe Meads plats ewer woo c-oite'int to • 'neaten ea the
to this 1.13,5. (Chore.) The coeduet of our matiatt that the order of the day obtreto he end,
p▪
üblic men would to improved, and the conduct of oar to move an amendment on toy subject not release to the
public .ghee wooed Itheofse h improtg, H eh. were e emit rof the day eat down for diecosselon. Tient p.c. ke
Iloik more of this candour and truthsielHag. (Load chara) vacs. par* Terri tel In order to promote the contort of
hefted of Patin is t sot la lord'. magma of ay boo, the busier..., bat if any gostlonian will starch the jnarnds
friend (Sir H, Cara). I thank him for the isageme hse hs wi'l find that daring the time that my immediate prole-
sad ; sad an lot do I think the tight hos. gathers the cow r oreopiel this choir, sad he woo very careful t t keep
membn, Strout (Mr. Herons), Th,t tight hos. trestle- the po wordings of thin home witlon correct litnits, it
laaa Mee a :Lab. beat.tlity and etolueco .4 whither. ad. hopper el lb,. eat lea. Ilion 40 or s') resolutions is the way
latlta Mai ; hat the ability end rde goatee of that epoch of amendmcot were prat by hies. It certainly would have
were he sraellest merit. We Lela *We en I elegant garbed hassle lea. If the hew of the r hat heel' it,e-
la almost every roe ei one debater, but it I. yea eel tom that Isla. sauce I pet it Si.. the chair, to have alted the groo-
ve Wt-a madames marked with the tone, the high bon nor tine aft the bore to it. sad 01 the 'awn' n hoe new Leith
—'l char., sal cries of "Oh "')—and melts le which asked. I have to hesitation to ra3in.g that, in point of rogue
diu11e.13.13.1 test ...me h. I Mil him that that speerh has , larrl7, it set parible to take tempi-,tto the form of the
etre aatry—lawbta arA rhors) —sal I t oak hies , *tied. (Real.)
fee it Walk an, „( the Ile.he„ of me pectic Mr. BASS asked when the eisteie wee likely to close?
is I alrat web 1.. • illiterate. but I could measly go THE ITALIAN QUESTION IN 1849.
wwithb. hm idmiresithe. Ity twilit le that the the. As elp,kaninins emmed attires Lord I'ALSI L 1167101
1;: "of otu Maio aadn is not MI high ae it was. (L sad Mr. •141TraIDI regeediag au tacidcnt in *lntro-
, ". "4
1441r1".1 I 4', e°' hotter, that the labia Italia petit:ca, whkh lied been adverted to In the debate,
estmoon that outlet. ace is oar slatersais Irlioth it THE DEBATE ON THE REFORM BILL.
err SA. I. to
ft,t3s,
)i_, ..h
ateitgaio—(elotlr...)k—. sir G. C. reeeeeegg to ibis subject, riot, es they
too tooth eserntoblthe
had already had five sights of this debate, they might owe.
leg of taw. 1.r., end too Sitio ..1 the 6•.7T1ti% &mond
eh'' es Not thteleno tnior.ttivir ti to as unietst:todiog that it shoald be finished to-morrow
tiros tha souther of nni.,11‘14,. "" night. [A I( —Tamnrraw we-E) (Ltaghter.)
mad . a the e tree of it. There hie are, for .a,...1. the ' Motor ED WARDS thought it would be a very hard ease
brier of Had Omer Is which that sable eel said there Lod If members were t nilowed to is; • few mods t 3 000
boa nu ea is peiblie bfa .h..:12 be •• sIJ a.v.r to themmi'm before ti" ""6""mt°'
Regret—emeely, the pet which te was in lend egotist his Mr. CORBETT had attended diligently throughout this
ens Jedgmeat to take wee regard t the appetnetem date' is, and b.d wiebel to address the haw, bat had Est
0f.... p.'.,.. of by Or sonic lord ,Lord J Itnftwil) al5. bed a on opportity of doing on. (Hear, hem.) It had bees
That e alw w" • parry sr ",.a toe the *if et of which w his dadr.. to rooteod that the bill should be reed s ssesed
to dingere the emoting gonna rot to timid.. ti 5,...ta taw,. Hi. WS. (Althea., he believed, "mad hors him to
lord Lord Jobs) to otionmy their p at. (Hear hem.) Theo that respect, sad be thought it was but fair that hi should
whet did the sight hoe. iritletadi (Mr. If roam) any ? keno as opp lunar of stating to the home his reams for
tie '..ld ee thin the e woo eats art in ?WI ilr• 00 shirts he t anti the eeiteee he fete." to take,
should sear look bock bet with aro* sod a. If-reproach. Si. E. PERRY wan oleo ose of toe small tans that had
That was sloe a piety move is I. the ce. tof which was tees charged dodo, the last two sleds, and bad not had
likewise to Coleco the anietieg pregnant and elvasc. Or en limy,s tuaitr of going oil- Hs woo bound to soy that, m
a hie lord to power. And what le the 'moat reoelation t the dehete lad gems ea. he had found hour by hour that the
le not likewhe es esdavour to sugplant a ministry ; g,isee he had hi.ewled to deep po a had t takn
up by
it ,rdeffe, t 0 11.4.'e IA sad his friends Lire no right to others; sad taw*" with Ow modem, which might to
com Pois a the *tab a ay lemottrable reified the , being to Mot, ha was willlsi to let the debste corns to •
fiolicieer-Ormersi. (Ekes, hear, eel ebony) The promo- ,dare withal istrading his
raid the WI had had, a sieister sore of the pinta, so I Mt. HUDSON thought 'rt. preatlemia was not owy
• agate whoever. theta cagy AMIN haat' tees t °Vida oweistred Le hi, modesty. (Laughter.) He wished to ea
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softly Arias thee the 10/. Machias woull replace it Icy • •irony over the boom? He was willing to stop till