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her Majesty's government might suggest for the
f=on of the nationality of vessels, and their right to the
Sag which they display." (Cheers.) He thought the hon.
"umber for Gateshead might disabuse his mind with respect
to any difficulties occurring between this country and
AmVice, which should prevent oar maintaining that just,
that humane policy which had for so many years been the
pride and the bout of this nation. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. M. GIBSON observed that the British government
had practical)* conceded the question at fame, by admitting
that every noun `y should watch over the triffio conducted
under its own fin'. 'Se proceeded to insist urn dm total
inafficisucy of our rents to put down the slave trade
farce. The measures adopted- by England had proton
the traffic and aggravate,' the sufferings inflicted upon
sodartaaato aogroaa.

Mr. A. MILLS said it wag well 'mown that the treaties
made by Spain on this subject had been violated in every
ponible way and were likely to be so, inmerincia ere the cap-
taineed in Cuba rewired a per aentege ow the leading
of all vee. He did not mean to say that the efforts of oar
'quadrats had been nugatory, but he amid not help saying
that Cuba contrasted very "'alarmedly with Brsil. He
shared in the satisisotin whin the Mum most feel at the
statements which bed boa swim by the hon. Under &ora-
tory with regard to the policy _' pawned by the United
States, because it gave ise the entrance of real
don in the suppression M the slave trade.
riZsrcaed they should have the assiellemes of the noble lord
the member for Tiverton who bed always basete•we co-ope-
rated with than who supported the leadehlweWee of the
squadron.
Mr. GURNEY said It sesemeltihthithit Ihitletwe=*
should as far as possible keep Who man 41
Bruce, which was to prevent the anLimpelottin err
rather than capture them afterwards. Tie •hirraar*ri
opinion. ought to be kept up, biasalthough the pale
trade might stand without it, the asttoa trade was in lie in-
fancy and required careful proteetice.

Sir O. B. I'EC HELL thought this an inopportune time
for altering their policy on this question ; it wee inopportune
as regarded the intentions of Spain. If they were to
give up the right of visiting the vessels on the
coast of Africa, they might as well give up all
endeavour to stop the trade.
Sir C. NAPIER said he believed if, when steam naviga-
tion wee fleet used, we had maintained a large number of
111101101111111 011 the coast of Africa, we should have had no slave
trade at the present moment. By employing only sailing
vessels we only blockaded one half of the moat We had a
great number of steam vessels in this country, and he thought
the Admiralty should send some of them out to Africa. He
wished to en the coast closely blockaded so that no slaver
could come out at all. It was a hard service, and the officers
eight to be rewarded—they should be al owed double gay.
He had spoken to °Moen who bad been there, and they told
him there was not mere than 1,000 to 1,600 mike of coast
which wee not blockaded, and which with twenty-five small
abeam vessels might be efficiently blockaded. With regard
to the right of search, we never had it with America.
Our enders bad a right to board vessels to examine their
pram but they had no right to search them, and he hoped
the govermeet would take especial care that in future they
should not be oalled upon to melte apologies for theme accidental
ocennears. Let them give strict orders that vessels were
net to be searched under any circumstances ; but that when
they were enspouted to have slaves on board they should be
followed to their destination. That was the only practkal
reedy for the evil.
Mr. ROEBUCK said this motion was a humane motion,
end one that would redound to the honour of England.
Krieg
_made an attempt to put down this unholy traffic, she
bed Med. The great mos of that failure he allowed wee
Pray and the United Stake of America, but we could not
help S. They were too strong for us to cope with in that
way, and we had to consider the horrors of war with the
United Stare of Arearicaes compared with the horrors dike
slave trade. He believed that in the interest of humanity •
war with the United Beata of America would be to times
more disastrous than the slave trade, sad that being so he
thought we were wise in yielding to the strong. The United
States of America were afro,* enough to carry out their bad
intentions; and they bad as &Wake of patting down the
slave trade. He said that edviesdly, and any slaver would
only have to bat • bit of bunting with the stet stripes to be
free beat all meleration on the high seas. Or squadron
was about te be withdrawn from Cur, and cedar to
west core ((Africa, and every trader would wise the bowled
omfblowbf American freedom to bide the Wailes Widest to
the deosSelde traffic in slaves. The Hoer of Ornoween of
Highs& had sat America a good example; guy hod ea-
imegled te pa_ down the slave trade and hel lead; bat
epos the Head Baas,and not England, would rest due
deseme sleet Mare _ (Hear.)
H, J. PAKENOTON said that the speech of the hon. sad
Wesel mss ter Sheffield had been a remittable mew
dos to the pant unanimity of the debate ; but be Inwood
that the hews would not raider lit to have been an remwer
to the snag either of the right bon. member for Ozhed,
er that et hie bee. freed our him. (Hear, hew.) Wag
one knew that the right ben. amber for Asides sold he
a geed argenouseft, but hie argoset on Ibis saran did netjump ebb *et the hes. ressabe tor Geteased, nee dld
the sprit of Oa ban. isembur agree ebb Me 011faieties.
That boa. mesater arena that ad war meow—a sex
expenditure of human life—had been bows away,
and that our attempts tom, cLliown the der rade bed
all ended in failure. Now he Air J. Pakineles) denied ast
assumption altogether, sad that, although we had
not effected all we could have wished, still thrum& bad
been done, and that met deshalde sad valuable remake bad
been achieved. It wee well MIMI that In 1846 the Breallisa
sieve trade had Meta to ma assess amount, but ve in-
reseed our naval keg en eat station to 46 rends, tesseed
with VAG rasa, and the eamegaenes wee that the Bream
Awe trade was he has this n peer almost suestbilatelL New,
whet sagest le the Cubes Arm leek, its game Imam bed
Woos piss while we heeds were tall et *a
Reis ewe, es before !bat event It bed been misted
year maks to complete irkgnifcaaoe. (Hear, beer.)
The km amber for Mann said that Oahe °odd get es
:sigh= se ohs whist, bet ail his (Blr Pakagtoefa)
led him to • Mesa aselladoe. On the era-
say, be Wend that se ewes am up* Shear at psessat
in Cube tresses silW te impel Ishwesoul had
recently Mee themTvealas. Under thus okras-
Seem be Net the beers weld never emment to the
wialseuel et war Abbas (Hes; hew.) Let
atm Jemmies. A* el the date bug& tare
woe ether nesse Assastelilledrea TIN Mi-
nna= 'testes Is Abbe wee gelid st.tet Is ale sunray,
and abhor that nee asy ethar peassfal pursuit amid awl*
ebb the infamous Mar beds wee allowed to he meat es.
(Has, bar.) Neither would be admit that the Abler
senior wee extraerideeily destructive to the health or Urea
der seas. 1$ mem ins, that when the gallon went on
Shaft OM was gaff of oscosore, they of course seared,
hat it lbw elasig,mubleg out at sea, the anise was not
way ahem. As to the meats of dr-
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breemeate ails ad bees be
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alesmo being in oomarad of the
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frank end essemiatearl hem biopsy le way est
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that thle toolha wee set le Its diellsztel Its•
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%Nth that boar was mgll to
unials the A (Hear, hear.) ;
fad ihe beereas a Ckeirkagy, el besselesen
he
=rideeter dm, Moeda sod sereassee relied that thst
haus Atoll gas se saelesegement es* zoillas as the
PreiNTATON wend the entail tai selendel that
see eserilas Wes esperesiket et as dayswedshad beds
111
but Mmes. =. PAM aid he had his portals ON et
Aeon naval offers le the effect that tbe adnes put=
the bade. benrover ~wen tells* tees. (Hear, lam)
Lied PALMISAITION geld Hose mateinly weld be as
Webb este tbs psepset tad dile* of Ms Issas the
lea guilimen who bed node II aimed el galas slop be
ell meat agemelbse belle eigessedmi et Os
arbeentere atineat , Ambits
is sok thernevonmeet to rediella
410 lie doe tests ii Head. If the are tare
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dos pomp WI 1111 =oft Woad to
the bet, as well as fhe stafemest, Cabana pot as
essay ohms es they wised ; voil•lasers bleb peke of
slaves in Cabo chewed Oat sheet et Asir
mead. He elalmel meet to as liprernsert for
rrdown the slaws trade is Heedl, *bleb be dead to
hfsen them& et as bunereed 'plebs tha aratry.
It had been ensued Ord the Mae geverimest sons bowel
i peibumund mid the est at 16116 ; be
t=es
aid a. coalbseesse et ea aft for the pre-
sent was the !sly meratty serving the revival of the
SIM leads In Bred. aUpoa eeetamobl pis
dem" ernlbesed the sake lied, " I contend that it
vied he the height of idly te ogres to tide andia, and
diffolig eel epos the gonesmest b ales &dr peaty. Thee
bier dose Oro saran MEM the pelilleal pub/ et phut
Pram NO ibb easedry bee Wei bread peembetaNy
twig 6•72=thile=tlattlewrag*arretY=via.
re he es low tallseessesendedito
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au end to Os Wee eats AEI ye bele see-
motel ta that awe& Mau soombies ban ear
Zatiand INA ftel put en eel le ibu slave boa bat
lanryallilea their thatilem; sod deist
esweerhe bare, tabor by treaty, by laws el their ewe, or by
Awl Z with us le reprobating =doe ter es irfaib'sil de es, an
with as is prevents( this ass-
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[TWOPENCE.

within her dominions. Portugal was a great offender in
this way, but Portugal has left off the slue
trade, and they are, I understand contemplating
if they)tave not already made the priori for the abolition
of slavery itself. (Hear, hear.) Then say that, politically,
we have also been eminently successful. We have endea-
voured to enlist all the powers of the world In a geoeaal con-
demnation of this atrocious mime, and It would be abomi-
nable in this country, atter the course we have taku—it
would be an absolute abdication of our position, a desertion
of duty, if we were to say, We will now turn round and retrace
our steps—let slaveachreforth take its own course, and we
will follow a altogether different from that
which we have hitherto pursued. (Cheers.) Some-
what cavalierly the honourable gentleman sneered at
the religious pert of the question. I admit' that se a guard
principle there is no consideration that ought to be so little
ught before us u consideratioss founded upon religious
motions. Our sphere in polities 001IMMICIW in a regard to
the national interest ; bat there are occasions when the
higher considerations of religion may well have weight.
There are those who believe—l do not know if the mover of
this motion is of that opinion—that the world is governed
bye serf of Divine Providence, that good deeds and bad
deadened:so the measure of rewards or punishments, and
that nations, like individuals, suffer from misdeeds and de.
the beside frees good acts. However that may be,
it Is a ends= ceineldence—there may be no reel
citemedea palm. between the two things, but
It le neurdisises a curious fact—that from the
dim lido eseran to abolish slavery, and to
amid led Min wetp i• iihrenseedn, utae..
*lmpril ta att never
(Hear, hear.) And I do think if the En9gaVertion were
now to reverse the course It has hitherto so nobly pursued,
and thereby give a fur vent to the slave Made, and re-
establish by her example and authority that abominable
crime to the extent to which It would grow if England were
to incur the guilt of that vast amount of human misery
which would follow the adoption of the proposition of the
hon. member for Gateshead and the right hon. member
for Ashton—l do think I should not be trenching
far into the functions of a prophet In saying
that that crime would be visited on- die peepl. of this
country to an extent of which we can have no conception.
That being my opinion, I KM happy to see the opinion o
ttr howl such as has been manifested in the course of this
debate. lam happy to believe that there is no danger that
the government will be disposed of its own accord, or that it
will be urged by parliament, to follow the course recom-
mended by this motion. (Hear, hear.) lam convinced that
if we persevere In the course that has been hitherto so emi-
nently snooseefel we shall in the end entirely succeed
in our object, and that the Spanish government,
though they have shown some indifference to their
te—(" hear," and a langl)—an Indifference
le7hogarmentereoondlsable with that high nesse of honour upon
which they pride thenuelve•—l cannot but believe that that
t will at length awoke to a true sense of national
government will at length awake to a true sense of natloil
dignity, end mart the authority it poetesses (and which, if
exerted, cannot fail to be anooessful), and that we shall Oil
the slave trails of Cuba, like that of the Brasile, entirely
and that this country will have the satisfaction
of wing that the eSorts it has made have not been thrown
away,r and that it has accomplished one of the noblest
that any country ever attempted or carried
out. (Cheers.) If our exertions and our sacrifices—
and without exertions and sacrifices nothing good out be
achieved) should be successful in accomplishing that object,
lam sure the le will not grudge them. (Hear, hear.)
I am if you appealed to the people of Eng-
land to-day upon this gumption, they would say, ,Goon
with the policy you have been pursuing ;" and so far from
rho amount of money necessary for the mainte-
nangran this naval police force for putting down this
atrocious traffic, they would say the money had been well
laid out, and would uphold the government who recom-
mended it. (Cheers.)
Mr. GILPIN protested against the imputation conveyed
by the noble lord's observation, that those who supported
this resolution desired to keep up the slave trade. (Hoer.)
Mr. P. O'BRIEN odd that he would withdraw the
modal of which he bad given notice on this subject, and
would wept that of the hon. member for Gateshead.
(Divide, divide.)
General THOMPSON said he could not help believing
thee there must be some enormous commercial fallacy in the
advanced by the supporters of the motion. They
Matretna that four negroes had to be shipped for every one
that was landed on the coast of Cuba, and was it necessary to
tell inset, wise in the oommerdal world, that it was not i check
upon the slave trade that four persons had to be embarked for
every one that was leaded alive on the coast of Cuba P (Hear.)
When restrkeiens used on the importation of food into
this eallan7, it need to to ..id that nagnshroan had as much
food as they wasted. Englishmen had then as much food as
they amid buy, and so It was with the slave-owners of Cuba,
they had as many slaves as they could buy. It was deer
that ths diMoulta of landing a negro alive in Cuba, was in-
messed in thb rado of four embarked to one landed, and that
our the point lie wished to put in. (Hear, hear.)

,
Mr. DEUMMOND said his firm convietion was that this
thin would never be got rid of by • rising of the blacks
thanselves, and be should heartily rejoioa when he heard
that they tesamably- indicted some
now poor measure of sheet
juatios on those who eld them in ale . That wee the
only remedy for this thi hng. The hon. gmtleman said that
we bombed of our own morals and flattered ourselves
Ise bele, better than others. Bat if tilim was snycas
who loved to be flattered beyond others it was what you
celled your honed old English merchant, manufacturer, or
trader, who wee willing for a profit to trade with the devil on
may one the. (Laughter.) The love of mew sad gel*
posing under the name of free trade wee that which was
rating out anything like morel prhsffpis from England.
(Hear, hem.) It was that spirit to width the hon. gentie4
man addressed his te,
dametation. (Hear.) and that spirit he held in utter
Mr. COGAN thought that the swam of the motion di
the hon. mbar for Geashead would be a meitinke that
their efforts et the suppreseka of the slays trade had been
unsucesisfel.
The house the. divided—

Far oaf into supply
Addn~~lt••-

24-199

The low than west Into supply.
Tb vote of 1,0601. for the commissioners for the sunne-
d= of the slave trade was put, and some hon. menthes*
havkag tied • No," the hones was cleared for a division, but
none took place.
The vote was agreed to.
The Cheernnen then reported programs, and the hour
resod,

Mr. M. GIBSON amid that he was desired by Lord J.Rue-
iell to state that he would, to-morrow, announce the course
which he meant to with retard to the Oaths Bill.
GOVERNME T OF NEW CALEDONIA BILL.
The hones thee went into committee on this bill.
Mr. CHRISTY peeper& a verbal amendment, more accu-
rately &lathe the bounder? of the new colony.
Sir B. B. LYTTON commented to the amendment.
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that the whole of the British
territory shomid he inelmied to the Burka boundary.
Aber a cos
Mr. B. HOPEkto% objection to the name " New Cale-
doe*" sad migrated that " Pacific* " would be better.
The remaiming chases were agreed to, sad the bill weegrildßlLLS, itc. (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT
BILL.

The ATTORNEY.OEkThEAL for IRELAND mooed
the mooed reed Wg of this bill.
Mr. COOLN *llo6lli to the mond reeding at OM lab
hour (awe o'olock), and moved that the deters be adjourned.
The motion hr the adjournment was then pat sad
VErto.
tfitlC OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
The boom Teat again Into committee an this bill, sad dos
loam were agreed to.
_ nwhaNAILWAY CHEAP TRAINS BILL.

This boiTrWr«.l4; a;o7ertme;
added ea Merida/.
MILITIA BALLOTS SUSPENSION BILL.
This bill was passsd through eorazoittes.
BISHOPS' TRUSTS SUBSTITUTION BILL.

Thl; EL;es ihrons- - ---
COUNTY PROPERTY CONVEYANCE BILL.
The order for the third reading of this bill was discharged', t
end the bill ordered to be recommitted.
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lmond et two o'clock.

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