The Express.
London, England, 1860-05-26 00:00:00

Infuse Ilay's work. The ample question *es whether
then we to be fogad is the jounals IA either home et
paellement a her much •• ems as that which had
atiess— y, cue ia which • bill for the repeal of a tax
having gone to the Hanes of Lorde had been rejected hp
that hour. 'flat vim the simple question, but under the
terim of the emcees the committee might ("seclude their
harms without wmeuls whether there was my precedent
at al (Hew, .) Hi vetoed obyeettoo was an
to the cempartion of the committee. It acclaimed
fear shims* samielem, and four or ire tee:abeam
masierom It contained the same of oaly one member
met of those who usually est below the
ss pingway,
eaely, Una member for Hinniaglant. (Hear, he
Be enseideed that the committee ought to imclude a
larger propnetinn of the indepeedeut element in the house.
llamighter. I He should swell the addition of the be.
and learaird member for Plymouth (Yr. ('ollier) and the
hoe member for Yeachweheir (Yr. Staley) to the coot
saltier. (Ham hear )
Mr. T. WWI BIS Mid he look rather • different view
from thetwo learned gentlemen who had jure 'Admired the
how. He met he permitted toast them right in me respect.
The Howie of Lib had sot rejected this hill. The hoard
Lords bad rode pretposed the aimed rending for six mouth.
(laughter.) that of CORM Win ceasidermi untamount to
the reertioe of the NIL and so doeta the House of Lords In-
tested that it should be thatamottat to its rejection. Hat
there was un reason why ifs= mull defeat the
of stratagem the House of not do so. Let
them the. lake the House of Loeb at their word. They,
like everybody. admitted that the paper duty was a bad one,
but they and thet that was not the moment
to repeal it. Well, thee, if the present was not the proper
tuns for repealing it, perhaps the proper time would be six
months hence, when the coqetry, as it was likely to do, had
strongly expressed its opinion on the rejection of the bill by '
the other house. He should therefore advise the govern-
ment sot to prorogue parliament, but to adjourn it from
tame to time, so s. to meet Nair, in Noyeniber, when the
es months C. have carnet Circumstanoes might then
be so alterel, tte revenue might be so circomatacced, the
OMAntrT might out such • pre sure ne the House of Lords,
that that boos, m•cht think propreafter all toagrec to the hill.
He was ono?, to peonage an amendment to the motion of
the noble Lei, mid the view hr took hail noeivol the mne•
Moe of • large electing of delegates from different parts of
the country who met in Glebe to consider this subject.
The amendment wog as follows :—" This home has lemma
with deep regret that the further progress of a bill premed
by this house for the repeal of the duty of excise on paper
nienufactured io the United Kingdom has been palpated
by the Home of Lords far six months, and it is the
opinion of this house that whirs the state of public business
permit., parliament might got thew to be prorogued, but ad-
journ tall November next, wheseby another opportunity
may be afforded to the House of Loeb, of comidering
whether the mid bill may sot then be
agreed to.' (Hear. bar.) Nothing couldwilr=doYe
more emiestent with commas sense than thief, (Laughter.)
M. WHALLEY ran to emend the amendment of the
bon member for Finsbury, es an ewissiiiion of the most
entire respect and defames to the Home of LOMB. The
mon argument adopted in another place egaimt the repeal
of the paper duty wad, that the date of the revenue might
le .ucli in • few weeks or.r neuthm •s to show the neesesit
.4 reaming thew duties. The oily chimera, it esmrsd
to him, that could be aimed to the 1004i011 Of the boa.
member wan that le November they might feel themselves
is the same position ad they were in now • 'ad be (Mr.
Windier) hod prepared • motion which he Olmsted to
spoil the ride hr which that difficulty might he
Ile looked ujon the matter set as •
between that house and the MUM .1 LORIN
letween that house and her Majesty's isikeers. (Hear.)
They had voted • teepenny income tax ea the detest us-
derstanding that the paper duty was to De repealed.amd be
wished to ask upon what principle they could meow& it to
thalami's. to allow that house to sepwate with as Memo
tax voted of 10d. in the pound and the duty sot re-
pealed' (Hear.) The hon. memberoaedudei by reading
the motion of which he intended to gin adios. to the
following effect :—"That this house cannidere that her
Majesty's ministers stand pledged to this home sad the
coun, to carry out the financial amangenesta sub-
initial to them and approved by this house ; and
that it is the duty of the government to advise
her Majesty to take such measures as ter be miscssary to
mem the maim of the Repeal of Excuse Daly en Pew
Bill through the Home of Lords during the present semion.
The question haring been put.
Kr BRIGHT that gentlemen opposite seeesed ie.
chard to treat tlos .iiiestion as one of no importance. The
government, he supposed, felt it to be one of moment,
while there was a growing feeling in the country to that
effect. It had been always understood that the financial
scheme of a government which was sanctioned by the
House of Commons was invariably to be pared, and it wee
not surprising that the great breach of the privileges of
the house had not been at lint coinprehended
But, from information he possessed, he believed
that, in a short time, a general spirit of diseatisfactioo
would arise. He should equally have objected to • rejection
of • bill by the Lords adding to the paper duty as he POW
did to their refusal to pass the present bill ;
for in his view the immediate object of the mm-
mire was as nothing compered with the
oneuditational question involved. He complained
greatf
the "4WD." or the under of reference to the propose!
enaimittor. The grievance of which this house had to corn-
'loin was that the 'Home of Lords bad tueremed the taxation
of the country for the ensure! limner! year, and it was to the
pant that the attrition of the committee should be directed,
lee it must he remembered that the house had deliberately
added • pony in the pound to the income tax as • substi•
tato for the paper duty Lord Palnierstou had failed in
Die duty to the home and the country by not taking • more
decided course. He thought that the amendment was cal-
culated at owe to amen the supremacy of thus house and
maintain the dignity of the other, and if it was considered
for • shod time he believed it will be found • Noisier-
sorry mode of getting out .4 the ilifikolty is which they
were placed. He sou..led the adjournment of the debate
weld Thunday st, and he se-reed accurduagly.
Lard J. Itt'AmELL— sir, it is not because I underrate the
bereave... 4 the quieten sow before the house that I
ask the house to meat to the motion of my nohl• friend,
sad nit to agree to either of the ameadnisate which have
Dec. promised. It certainly appears to me that there has
net been within my metnory • Tweets of greater import-
ance. (Hear, bear.) It is a question which undoubtedly
affect. the most sweetie: right• and privileges of the Home
of Commons ; but foe that reams, mid especially beteg is
salad the observation which the boa member for Dir.
assaglithe mode that there is so meson to sup-
pose that any porters or action of the member,
Mlle louse are either indifferest ev lukewarm to the
marateneace of its must seared privileges, I would masa-
veer is our premed proceedings to do that which would
meet onliglites the beam without prematurely tug to
neything Is the Nature of a deciece. Now, that laths •
neer of the p:opoisal of my noble friend. Iffy hoe. heed
the member for Ilirminiain rays that the motes ought
have been of • differ.nt kindga —mely, that it
have here • proposal pointing out the difference of various
hada of tax bills, ac.l founding on that differ.
sme • reference to • roominess. Now I will own
to as. her. feral that when I ant comidered this
Ream I was to take that view of it. Then lie
wedoubtedly • clear ili tioetow bewails hills of • taxing
share-ter. There one set of bills for the purpose of Wo-
rming taxes or of relieving the people from tames and pro-
viding the suppler. no sury fur the charges of the year,
and there is another kin ! id lolls in which taxation is merely
isitedentalt so, for instance, if there were • eery high duty
pawed es foreign corn of such • Datum as to aimoust t• •
prohibition, it would le obvious that a duty of that kind
would me be for the tarpon of revenue, but for the w-
pm. of mithetios. It would not, borrow, be advisable
L my view that we should make that distinction
le our order of reference, basene it might be supposed that
much • detinetion would sot leave the eintinittee perfectly
free, bet would mist out the concluaios to which the com-
mittee ought to anure. Therefore it seems to me that the
beat course we can take a that which, after much debts-
patios, my nohlo friend has_ adopted, seemly, that the
minim deareptioss rill. should be suestimed and the
wisamitthe be left at liberty to aeesrtaia what the prece-
ded. are is reference to legialatiou lame them. Those pre
mint% no doubt wiD he found to be of various kinds, rad
It will be the husinesi of the committee to ascertain whether
the finale of Lords is this estrum have gone beyond or
bare varied fees former preceleuts, sod if so, in what re
epee they have deem so. There are certain questions
moo which the House of Loris ate *does, and not an.
satorrally Prater, of their privileges. There are gewgaw
al Listens, where this hones has mixed up in • lathe
hill otieo question@ not properly belowpsig to it. Foe tie-
atim.e, there have bees bills is which thes house ha. endea-
voured tons upon pointed legislation alto prescribe how
they are to le settled under the same of nepotist or re-
Belot tvs atoe In those awes the Hems of
Leila hare, 1 think, rightly interfered is ceder
to prevent an meroachment which would have
serried our privileges heyorid the mark we have 0111•111•011
niirtgani ti Con,. There is an instates is which that kind
of objection pr. ssiled, mod I menthe it as ea crimple
le am it happe is to have leen upon an OCKIII4OII met tolell
dieonolar from the eveme• of the regent year. I refer to
the 101 l pawed hr Mr. Pitt in this house under the am-
merest treaty .4 litr 7. It ea. ohnoted in the Home ef
Iron. that au that bill flue ....,canto subjects were Wig.
due e.I winirly, that the conmereel treaty with Paseo wee
sweetened, that new slut,. were impised beyond
the reject of the commercial treaty, aod that, bri-
gade. all this, there was a great consolidation of
duties, eakiug • new specie. of legislation with regard
customs. It was objected that thee three subjects
eaght not to have I'm-u (ordained in .one bill ; but that ob-
*lion was overruled. I live it only so an in-
Manee in which the jealuite of Om of Lop& was
periv expressed with regard to bine whelk went beyond the
peoroire of imposing or reniitting natation. Now I think
at would be wee for this how..• t, furnoh itself with
every
kind of thformation, to enlighten itself in reference to these
historical precedesta There can be nu harm is ma doiag.
Ike our powers am very great. lam aid one of those who
think thee the powers and privileges of the Hone
Oonuseen are shoat to womewesb to the great au-
thority of the Hoare of Lasalle I behme %het our
privilege will he maintained, sod I believe that by Mica(
time kiereesider the subject, and by beam can that we
midi is the path. of the conslitatits, we shall at law arrive
let • right deaeouo spas the gnmMsoa (Hear, hear.,
ffiy M. friend the member fur Plembairy (Mr. Dumont(*)
hes mimed an amesinieet upon My notate friend's motiou,
Which wens to me certaialy to go not may beyond the