The Express.
London, England, 1856-05-02 00:00:00

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for Carlisle has to-night tempered justice with merey ; b:
bar spoken against moisten, but be intends to give them
his vete. (Laughter.) I hive little fault to find with the
right bon. gentlemaa's statements, to which be his given
.1.1 the clearness and method attained by long parlia-
mentary eapsrience. From those statements he draws
irresistible inferences, but still he says he will
resist those irresistible inferences, and vote that
ministers are not to blame. They are, according to
his view, ainnen la the concrete, but in toe abstract they
are to be considered innocent. (Opposition cheer..) Now, I
sir, we have just terminated a greet war, we have jut eon-
eluded an important peace, and during that war an event
his occarred whichlcertainly, in the opiniociof.many persons, I
has exercised a powerful infiseeoe on public attain, end
which, even if it had oat eurc.sed that influence, is at-
leaded with sircametaaees which enlist the det pest grape-
thin of the potpie of this country. (Hear, hear.) There
has been a heroic sehiSition of all thou virtues and quali-
ties which Englishmen honour and appreciate; there is anise-
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entetiou, the'rie Is a prevalent belief..that Mow virtues have
bra deserted by the goveromeot of this country, and now
me era told, after • wise toebstarinue, which although not
rasa. Shea was due to the country, yet nflects the highest
OMAR en this house that that question is not te be dis•
Milind. Because the attenth.n co parliament is sought to
in grown to these deeply interesting circumstauoee, becauso
gill attempt to discuss in the House of Common • question
Sat for • long period of time has 'cubed the besets and
Illemipied the hearths of the whole country, so imputation of
fleet on is to be brought against se. (Opposition iheers.)
And la this house, whieb, it it wish to tare any claim
at public regard and respect, would dad that claim
Meet stately in quick sympathy with the pssaioa
gat of doors ; In this home, because we have
presumed to touch • question of universal satiate lots-
Must, we are told that we are taking • part that faction
only coald inspire and selfish and sordid sentiments oely
promote. (Opposition cheers) But that is not the only
ground taken by the hon. member for some Scotch burgh—
(a laugb)—Greenock, I ; that ton. member says
that this debate is only continued fur the sake of • few
speeehes, and is entirely a factious proceeding. (Ns, no.)
Is that the opinion of toe people of England ? Whatever
may be the judgment at which they ultimately arrive se
there s man in England who does not feel that the sad tall
of Kars osght to be the subject of a parliamentary inquiry,
and its cause of • parliamentary rifleman= ? (Hear, bear.)
But it is not only one &tech member who bat presumed to
give this opinion on the conduct of the House of Common..
The boo. member for Greenock flails an echo in the plain-
tive wail of the hon. member for Ayr. What is the grievants,
of the hon. member for Ayr, that he addresses each lan-
guage to gentlemen on this side of the house ? The grievance
is that the hoe. member for Apr has been prevented intro-
ducing a bill, bat what is the history of that bill ? About •
funnels% since this great Caledonien autncrity cease down
to the senate to expound his legislative opinions,
bat unfortunately there was no house. I do not
think, therefore, that he has any great grievous to
complain of, for • member of this house who has a bill and
mann make a hove is not the member who can justly eons.
plain of adjournment. But there is still etcher Cc itch
member, a member who represents the so ipital of that
country, a member entitled to some public notice as the
successor and I believe the successful rival of one of the
greatest literary ornaments of his age or of this house, the
non. member for Edinburgh, finds out that this discussion
Is vain and worthless. He asys that this motion is Daly en
assault on the Treasury benches. Does he mean to say
that in the city of Edinburgh, which by some stump°
anomaly he represents—(a laugh)—there is such a
total want of sympathy for all that has h.ppened in Kars—
those grave eomantic incident which will be remembered
whea the war is forgotten, and toe treaty of peace has become
a dusty document— (cheers)—does he mesa to say that the
feats of the gallant Will ams and his brave companions are
matters of Uvalde:sue to the pee ple of Edinburgh ? Does
he faithfully represent his constituents, when he tells us
that any discussion on this soh.; et is vain, fettle, and eelfith
Sir, Ico not believe that the enlightened and highly edu-
cated inhebithats ci the modern Athens are faith-
fully represented by the honourable member— (eugh-
ter)--and I em sure that this ductuti in will ,
be read la that city with the deepest interest, and judged
with the severest criticism. (Hear.) But unfortunately it
le mot such small deer as thou vitaperauve =amines room
Pee slew kingdom we have such to complain of. Cabinet
mdaisters have said that this m 310 a of my hon. aad loathed
Bleed wee simply a emotion to epee' the goys rnment. Sir, I
guatesive it to be the duty of an opposition to 'iodide', Its
poisciples without the slight.st r, ferules to what msy be
lb. consequence of a division. (Hear.) Were it otherwise
die sphere of an opposition would be very limiteed indeed.
Ifsppositiow was only justified by a success which MOM
upset • ministry, they would be lowering political embank
ne selfish sordidness, and telling the country that the Herr
wf Commons was not to be as aseembly where rival imam
dgovernment policy were to be debated—where the plebe
of the nation was to be felt and the passions evea of the
pimple nets/anted, bat merely a Meyer, well-orgaaisid, and
mechanical numbly, where nothing bat Wash eons.-
quences wen to be considered.and whets tile mere personal
ambitions of those w, o were fortunate enough to °bins
seat in it, and the precession of power, and the employment
of patronage, were to be the 8)1904,0a of their are. (Hear,
hear.) That was sot the way in which, as be read the chore•
ter of parliament, the duties of an oppoeitlou were to be c
reed on. He had ever held that it was the duty of as oppo-
sition cot factiously—and there was always a remedy in
the bands or the minister whist a helots or options eppo-
▪ g Ily by an appeal to tie feeling of the house
Itself, sad if house would not support him, then by
a. et pod to the country—buts lout as they (the protect
or pootion) represented a great force of public opinion on'
soy question that might be benign forward, it was their'
duty to express It, and to invite discussion upon it ; and
so long as they vindicated in that house, though in a
minority (end it was the necessary consequence of the par-
ham. 'nary system that the opposition should be in a'
rsinority)—(near, bear)—so long as they au ported the
principle ten policy they thought tight, be held they were
tuldilitig their duty; and it was not the swagger of • mi-
nister, nor the flippant attack. of his f Mourns, that would
deter them from that course— (hear, hear)—nor would any
mi'ority arcidentary obtained deprive the discunion of its
connivances, or prevent tenth alticriat-ly prrvailinr, it
truth were upon the aide of the opinions they were attempt-
ing to enforce. He felt that It wee • difficult task
s address the house at the sloe, at • long debate
I like the present, when the papers had been worn out by
repeated quotations, sod all the arguments and opinions
that could be sleuthed had been put forward in every
variety of form; but there was • countervailing and coun-
terbalancing advantage, of which, were he re dexterous as
the right hon. member for Carlisle, be should be disposed
to make a much greater use than nefortueattly with his
limited faculties he found he could do, and that was that all
the circumstauces of the discussion having atralned that
relative position of importance which it the commencement
of the debate they never filled, they saw the real question at
issue, divined of all thine estrum was matters with which
large masses of documents and the isgentrity of speakers
ievested it, and were enabled to *Ulnas the house as briefly
r be they'd attempt to do. Now, whet was the
weal petit to decide ? The right lion. baronet (Sir
3. Graham) bad told them that the subject di-
vided Itself under two heeds viz , the conduct
of Lord Stratford de Redo/life, our ambassador
as Coostaatteople, and the subsequent conduct of the go-
'seamen% in tee mamma of 1855. In calculating what
West t aye been the eansequeems of the fall of Hers, be
did not concur with the right hie. baronet that the °widen
of our ambessader at Constantinople was a moiety of the
whole subject. (Hear, beer.) Let them look a little at
the conduct of Lord Stratford de Radcliffe. When the
fail of Kars took place, or rather when the. event was first
kr o• a in this country, there was undoubtedly an honest
and deep ft sling of sorrow and iedignation rallied in the
public mind. (Hear, hear.) He did not remember any
reverse in which our own troops had not been engaged—
in witch the interests of the messes of the people were net
directly engaged—when the feeling it excited was so deep,
so prompt, and so instantaneous. (Hear, hear.) What
Inputted ? There were mystenose whispers fr.=
those who felt it fun °liable to deny the consequences
of that cstaetrophe,lr ins those who saw whit must necriew
rily be its offset upon the goversment, and who were anxious
to palliate •heir conduct—there were mysterious whispers
that it the wools truth were known .t would be toned that
the government were perfectly innocent—that the mischief
lay at others' doors. Tho public mind was soothed by the an
nouocements made in this lad.rect way, that there would
be a revs lotion merle as to what the real influence was that
had produced this sad disaster, and thus the scapegoat was
indicated without being denounced. (Hear.) At lest this
tarpon...it volume was published—md instantly the scale-
g.at we.. known, and he would tr -t say the influence of the
novarament—for in the matter they were perfeotly unite-
Huentiel—(.. hear," sad a laugh)—but every muss inge-
nuity could devise was set to work to show that that usin-
g et was our ambassador at Constantinople, and some drip
before the ho k wee published it was stated that sizty-two
despatches from Colonel Willies's bad remained un-
ausereted, red It was naked, "..Wttat con you think of an
ambassador who ia guilty of neglect such as this?" Aed
no dumb' there wit • strong feeling sweated in this smutty
against Lord de Ratliff' is this way. (Hear, hear.) He
was sot there to windiest* the conduct of Lord de Radcliffe
with respect to Commlssioaer Williams. His hos. and

I d fneed (h r. Whiteside) had sot broegbt that noble
lord's eondeet forward to be branded by the verdict of the
House of Commons. (04,0 h) What reference sae there
to Lied de Kedah's'. o isaset In hie hoe. sad I d
(risers moieties ? (Hear' bear.) Bee, awhile hie hoe.
eel leeriest tidied sae ,either able nor willies to
&Lad the toads.% of Lord Stratford de Redebtfo
is redwoods to Ossetia Williaste—se the volume
fereishet by the severnmeet, w:tb the whole of the
" confidential " eorreepeadeace whieb pawed between

the goverment and the anibassadri, in .which thew
was a steamiest that his right hon. friend (Sir J Peking-
toe) would not believe, though la, had read it, wosesin the
goer, tory of State complained Chet he had often and often
applies: in vain, and continued ,o appeal in vain, to the am-
beside. —al all this corre-pon lance had been placed,
though, Geordies to the view now supported by the go•
velment, it was not necessary to plate it befee the booze,
and notice had been given of an amendment by on hoo. and
learned member who sat behind the noble lord (Pa mereton)
which, If it had an" object at all, was intended t, divert this
icon from the heal of the ministers, and direct it against
thew ambassador—his hon. and I d friend (Mr.
Whiteside) we forged to go itto the question of the
conduct of Lord de Radcliffe in reference to the fall of San.
The government having thus plated the correspondence
before them, and fielded discussion, it was Imp, eibie to
avoid giving an °Maitre upon it ; and to challenged any rem
who had any regard for the public Ureter to *ay whether,.
under such circumstance, be could shrink from elegies,
his opinion of the conduct of Lord &ratline de Reich& ?
(Hear, hear.) The egumeat of his boo. sod learned Iriead,
in which he porfoody agreed, for it was • cocettisei,nal or.
gement, sad being • constitetieel argument 1, wee • jest
and a geaerous argument, was this: If L vititrattint
sinned so grievously, and you did rot recall him, you
and you alone are responsible for tie consequencts and
he (sr. Disraeli) was cot surprised that a c.binet miebiter
bad risen that Liget and adopted that constitutional theory.
(Hear.) If there were two principles which sh Deli regu-
late them in dealing with the conduct of public men, they
Ware,
edge minister when they knew that the whole
c ih.net was reepossible fee his acts—and never to
admit that any poem employed by her Majesty
&brood, however outrageous, however corrupt, or
however ruinous his condom might be, was guilty—whether
be were a governor, an ambassador, or a general, so long
se be was not recalled. (Hear, hear) Thu. fde be Imola
not agree with the right hon. baronet that the conduct of
Lord de Arden& was by any wane an iu.portant p onion
of the present discussion. It did not tmed toe re.,ution.
Sic J. GRAHAM—The non-recall of Lord Sthriord

Mr.DISRAMLI re.unted—Yon than • year ago Lost
Aberdeen's government was upset As the President of the
Board of Control said, they (the opposition) now 'tithed to
upset the present goverment ; low they did not want to
upset the government. (On, eh) If they wanted to upset
the government, they could find an "artist" p ecibly on one
of the back benches opposite who might be able t r do the
work for them—C" hear, hear," end a laugh)—but they
were there to express their own opinions and vindicate their
awn views, and they were so silly, forsooth, as to say in their
speeches what they said in their resolution. (Neer, bear.)
But u to was saying, a little more than a year erg, the hood
of a very taleoted artist upset Lord Aberdeen's cove asset
—that stroog (government" which, if it Lad nut been for
one member of the rams cabinet equal to the occasion, they
must suppose could never have been rip et I" H. ar, hear,"
and a laugh) The noble lord the member fr Lo idon then
found fault with the conduct of the war—and mainly, spe-
cifically, particularly, and precisely with the conduct of the
war in Asia. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord bed hateced
to a speech made by the hon. member for Atleebury.
That bonrursble member had mode a Dwelt in
reference to the croachut of the war in Asia; and
this reminded him (Mr. Diener) that the hon. member
the other night stated that he had been continually bemiring
the subject of the war in Asia before the house, asked
why they (the opposition) did not mu; port him; tauotiog
them, in language almost as coatuentlioue as the Scotch
members had used in the present debate, that th-y heel not
dons so. As far as he was coosorned, he must is; • hat he Wee
quite lassoes:loos of this ladies. He knew that the has.
member for Aylesbury had been in the habit of giving
nutmeg of mimic,* almost every night ; but he had no dit-
tinet ricAliction—his memory might possibly betray him—
bat he bad no recollection of the hoc, memb r Laving ever
actually brought forward such a motion. (lieu.) As far
as his reoollection served him, the hon. mutter inclined to
do so, from a wish—dictated by patriotic motives, no d.itelot—
sot to eraberrase the government. (•' Hear," and iatightir.)
But that the hoe. member did once make a speech upon Che
subject of the wer is Asia be could Oct but bs aware, for
there was historic evidence to prove the fact It was the
first step—the first move, as It were, in the bones that Jack
built—that led to the foil of the gosnoment of Lord Aber-
deen. (Cheer., and !mushier.) What was the ct IMOD of
Lord Aberdeen's fall 1 That be bad rot carried on the war
in Asia. That was the "stand point," to me a Gamut
pluses which had reeently bsen adopted, of the whole
question. They had been told they must look today'. If.
would do so. la January, ISM, the government of Lord
Aberdeen was des rayedby one of Lied Aberdeen's a el-
itism.. because he neglected to prowess-the war it Asia; and
they would find that shout the same time that L•dd Aber-
dosn'sgoveroment was destroyed for this cause Col. Williams
was made • Turkish officer cf the highest rank, and, judg-
ing by his own expressions, was evidently contented with
his position, felt that he could effect the objects he desired
to accomplish, and achieve those results he saw iron the
first were possible of scWeventent, and from which:ha antici-
pated great advantages. (Hear.) Well, a government was
formed szpreiesly to carry on this war in Asia eri,h efficiency,
and at the very time these equabbles, and *Louis, and
misunderstandings occurred with Lord Stratfold, the son-
sequence of which ought to be visited upon him, and the
effects of which he (Ur. Disraeli) thought that noble lord
most deeply regret, had terminated. They started,
then, with this new goverment under a happy
and most fatuities combination of circumstance—wish
a prime minister—a modern Chatham—determined to easy
on the war in Asia with vigour and with enlist—
with all thews difficulties which Lad n's govern-
ment bad had to meet terminated—with an officer acting in
t that( of this enmity in Asis, sanguine of eructs., CCU-
mined to do his duti, sod koking only to the government
of his own country to moron him. (Hear, hear.) That
being the position of affair", he bed a right to sple w hat had
they d ? That was the question. (Hear, hear) Telk
Oct to him of the conduct of Lord duetted—be would
sgree to anything with regard to Lord Strstiord which
might be deserved ; but the adoption of the amendment of
the hon. and I armed member f..r Leominst.r, wb.ei it ap-
peared he was now ashamed of, which was unjust and un-
constitutional, though be was told it had be eu tact toned
at one time by • high authority—(mar, bear)—would have
been a daisies to the House of Comm° .e. But
he asked the noble lord and right too. gentle-
men oppcsite, who were formed as a government to con-
duct the war with effect, and to re:itir eheeneful
aegUgences of which the previous government had been
guilty—he asked what had they dose for the country in
carrying on the war in Asia with effect ? That woe a legiti-
mate subject for the House of Commons to inquire lot', sad
be believed it would be found that the people of Edinburgh
were of the same opinion. ("Hear," and • laugh.) It was,
he thought, important that that quoion should be dis-
eased, sad that some satisfactory isolation ho old be arrived
at. ibis was • more important question even than the bill
of the hon. member for Ayr, which the house would not
most to consider. (, Hear," and laughter.) 11 hat did the
government do for General Williams ? D.d they 'mart him
with men ? That was as important p,ict. They were told
the debate had been brought on for tactics,. purpose., and
that speeches were tioneessary to prove it; bat suaia Ito
uked,did the government assist General Williams with men ?
You could not do it. What plea did you urge? Bed it not
bees Sated by the two cabinet miniver. who had .pokers,
and had net the argument best used by the member ter Car-
lisle' he (Mr. Diereeli) should not toss seamed to section
it. It ...staid that we were so engaged in the Criaor a, that
our energies were so concentrated upon Sebastopol, that the
wake was eo vast for which we were playing at Sett utopol,
that we could not venture to att:mpi. to ecc-implisb any
other r enterprise. The stake was great indeed, the
events involved were mighty, and great acre the
efforts which were demanded from groat nation.. Fume',
Imperial Pearce was there; Eokland, free sod weir tiro
England was there; you had the Turk .11 army, which
hid been proved by conquests on the Donuts ; you hat
brought from the north of Italy to ha 1 rived in war • body
of men which he hoped would hereafter weeds a s •lutary
it darner on the fats of their country. (Hear) ar ) a had
am only these forces, but by a convection between Austria
and Turkey, the forces of Austr:a and th.• chiva4y ot Hun-
gary end Bohemia were guardiog the p f the D.oube.
Fr.ner, England, Austria, Turkey, Sordinie, all these
were interested and combined in the gr. a' stake
watch was at hazard before Sohastopol. Bat bad
act Rorsis, too, her all at Sake at &bast. pd, and did ohs
roc prove low deeply and bow tenaciously the telt its im-
p alma and its value ? We could haves: °ken of her,
even if we had been still at war with her, how own-
gcously, haw steadfastly she pro ad, how deeply the felt
ere vastness of the stake at issue. She had as great
icterests it ebbe, and she was pledged as deeply to defend
end struggle for thee* Stored. ; to • Hews could never-
theless at or cc defend the Crimea and unlade Asia Nicer.
(" Hear, hear," end cheers) What a compliment you
paid to our great and faithful ally ; what seem'.
regement to Sardinia; how animating to Turkey
in her future Woggle* with Ravels, when you declare that
united Eur.ipe was required to he coacentrw ed before Beba,-
topol, and that while Russia could not only eefend that for-
frees, but invade Asis, you conll not tend Genera Williams
900 min. (" Heir, hear," and cheers.) He said that pa
should have sent a tree t Ada, however great the
ties, eve nif yon bad not had allies ; even If you bed stood
singlehanded against Russia it •se your duty to base sent
aasistaoce to 0 1 Will:ass at Kara (Lira', hoar.)
Wh.t did General Williams aek ? They had before them
a despatch of a I Williams, written km at Via
time of the formation of the ministry of the modern Ct at-
hem, the ministry formed to carry oa the war with vigour.
Thee despatch was dated almost ea the day on %Wei the
noble lard ttok his seat as first minister if the crown • and
it gave an estimate of the foss be reqaired not only to
preserve his communication w:th Estrous sod the cost,
but to drive back the whole RI/seise army. lie asked for