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LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 31. 1860.

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Loni J. RUSEELL said there was no intention to seed
English troops to the retains.
Mr. B. 00CHRANE asked if the noble lures attention
had bees directed to an article respecting .our foreign re-
lations which hod appeared that. day in a room% journal
supposod to be in the weddeece of the government.
I J. RUfilitELL bed eat nee the article is quartion.
THE COWURWIAL TREATY.
Mr. LINDSAY asked the lilieretary of State for Foreign
Alban if be would lel upon the table of the hone, the
correspondence which has parsed between this country and
the speleament of France 111 regard to a maritime treaty
with that country
Lord J. RUEtsii
I,
did not *ink it would be desirable to
produce the papers at present, for communications were
still going on with respect to the commercial treaty.

THE roirriricArtows VOTE.
Mr. H) MAN observed thighs had written that men•
tag to the nohle •kmi et the heed of the government to ask
him dhe would Ix • day for • renewing the omrnnittas
on the fortifications vote In the noble lord's absence
some other member of the cabinet could, perhaps, answer
• the question?
Mr. 8. HERBERT sefid the subject would be brought on
again at the earliest possible period after the conclusion of
the debate on the India Hill ; but in no ass would it inter-
ere with the day Axed for the discussion of the paper
ds:ty wear, hear.)
DHIEMBODI7dENT OP MILITIA REGIMENTS.
Sir H. STRACEY rated the Secrey:sauf State for War
thelwhy e of diemnhadring meortling to
the ersaistiv,....thioti they were ertitssf had Una departed
from is etteseWertaft Artillery: -- • • - -
Mr I. RilltitTeldthemely rule on theserjeetwes the
oouvonience of the public service. There were some regi-
ments, which on account of their numher4 wore convenient
for garrison duty, and these had been reserved till the last ;
but the net had been disembodied es nearly as possible in
the order of their embodiment.
THE GRAVES AT SEBASTOPOL.

Iv. H. gifmoiTit. asked the Secretary State for
Foliage Adams whether the British government had =tho-
rned She appointment of an agent at Sebastopol to watch
over the graves, at a fixed eatery ; whether such salary had
been paid by the government, and to whom, and through
whom
for that ; and, if so, why no agent had hitherto been there
Lord Jr7seUSSELL had not been able to refer to the
ce nee. He believed that a person be named
had been ready to .accept the agency. but that
person had declined to act. He bed communicated
with the Russian government, and he did not think
that they would make any objection. All the accounts
tom Russia were, in fact, very satisfactory.

THE GALWAY OONTRAbT.
In some to Mr. VANCE,
Mr. LAINCI said be could not at present flz a day on
which to take the vote for the Galway contract, but it
was the desire of the government to bring it on as early
O possible.

EUROPEAN FORCES
~..A.IIALGAMATION (INDIA)

The SPEAKER haying—directed the clerk to read the
order of the day—the adjourned debate on going into
committee upon this bill,
Mr. HORSKAN rose, and attempted to put a question
to the Prime Minister • but he was interrupted by the
Speaker, who announced that Mr. Seymour was in pos.
onion of the house. Mr. Seymour accordingly rose, but
be gave way to
Mr. HORSMAN, who said be had written to the noble
lord at the head of thegovernment that morning, informing
him that when he came into his place at 4 o'clock he should
put a question to the noble lord on the subject of the busi-
ness beton, the house.

SPEAKER said that the question then before the
house was the adjourned debate on going into committee on
the Earopan Forms (India) Bill, and it we. entirely out
of order for the right boo. member to pea into a discussion
upon another subject.
Mr. HORSMAN said he would move the adjournment
of the debate, for the purpose of urging the premier to fol-
low up his late speech by putting the national defences in
order without delay. So startling a speech had never been
made in the House of Commons, and ho was astonished at
the carelessness with which it was received. The right
hon. member was proceeding to make one of his ordinary
attacks on the ministers, when
The SPEAKER interposed, and told him that he was out
of order in thus discussing a matter totally foreign to the
subject.
Lord PALMERSTON thereupon observed that he was as
maims as Mr. Amman that thespian= of the national
=dens should be settled, and as they were both of the
same madieettla metier, bw awned ihme the-seder of the
day might be allowed to proceed. The important question
of the Indian army once settled, no time would be lost in
bringing forward that of the defences of the country.
The adjourned debate on the Indian Army Bill was then
resumed.

Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR complained that the object of
the Secretary for India seemed to be the palmation of ab-
solute power. It ought to be the endeavour of the house
to limit that power. With this view, he supported the in-
struction of Kr. M. ➢Glues.

--LClUneli3YlCEitWolTa similar view as to the impolicy
of vesting the Secretary for India with such exorbitant
powers. Ile pointed out the immense advantage which had
already resulted from the possession of the local Indian
army, wall acquainted with the habits, the prejudices, and
the wasimstitiona of the natives.
Sir C. WOOD said that the hon. and gallant gentleman
had put a construction on the act which no one ever
dreamt of before. It was not at all proposed that
there should be any reduction of the native army. The
bon, member for Poole was quite mistaken in his views
as to the origin axd effect of the Affghan war. In each of
the three cases of policy which his hon. fr end mid had been
condemned by the government in India and forced upon
them by the home government, it was the policy of the
government in India that had been carried out. In other
cases their policy had been rejec, ed, awl he had himself
stopped the annexation of Oude when it had been recom-
mended to him.

Mr. H. SEYMOUR had said "condemned by Indian
statesmen."
Sir C. WOOD—If his hon. friend refused the name of
statesmen to the Governor-General and Council of India he
had not a word more to say on that subject. Pea-
hens his honourable friend would exclude from the
name of statesmen all those who did nut agree
with himself. (Laughter.) With regard to the
changes which it was said the bill would effect, there was
not a word in it to show that it would operate those
changes. The staff appointments were necessarily made by
the government in India. They were made upon the re-
commendation of the Commandr-in-Chief. The bill made
no alteration in that respect. There were indeed certain
officers of the Queen's army sent out to India, but he con-
tended it was most beneficial to India that such appoint-
ment' should be made. If that had not been the use, India
would have been deprived of the services of such men u
Lord Clyde, Sir H. Rose, Sir W. Mansfield,
and Sir Hope Grant, and nothing would be so
detrimental to the Queen's sonic° in India as
any. proposition which would deprive India of such ex-
perienced men as these. He therefore believed that the pro-
position of his hon. friend, if operative at all, would prove
mischievous, and if inoperative it would be unnecessary.
Mr. RICH would recommend his hon. friend to withdraw
his instruction, and allow the discussion to be concentrated

on the proposition of the bon. member for Ayrshire.
Sir F.. COLEBROOKE seconded the recommen

and hoped the house would support the appeal of the hoe.
member for Ayrshire. His right hon. friend must be very
Monde if he thought they would be caught by the statement
that the bin contained nothing on the subject of the ap-
pointments, when the quarrel they had with him was that it
did. (11,1:-.)
Mr. MILNES then allowed his instruction to be negatived
without a division.
Sir J. FERGUSSON then rose to move "that in the
opinion of this house it is inexpedient to proceed further
with legislation respecting the European troops in India
until the whole plan of the government for the regulation
of the military force of that country shall have been sub-
mitted to the consideration of parliament." He believed
that the proposition of the right hon. gentleman now
before the house was but part of a gigantic scheme of
centralisation, which had for its object the transferring
from Calcutta to London the transacting of all the business
of India.
Mr. T. BARING seconded the motion.
The SPEAKER at once put the question.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE rose to address the house after it
bad been put, and was informed that he was too late.
The house then divided:
For the amendment 5O
Against it -
88-38
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Sir J. ELPHINSTONE than moved the adjournment of
the house. (Oh ! oh !) His object was to make a personal
explaeation with respect to an observation which had been
attributed to him, and which he found had given pale. That
observation was to the effect that he had been on board
ship with 22 officers, on their way to India, 20 of whom
Gould not write their own names. He (the bon. member)
never questioned a newspaper report ; for he thought that
they were very much indebted to the reporters, not only
for the accuracy with which they gave their speeches to the
world, but for the material improvements which they so
often introduced. (Loud cheers.) What, however, he
wished to state was that of the 22 officers, 20 could lordly
write their name ; and to that statement he adhered, for It
was literally true. The fact was that in times gone by,
large sums of money were paid for substitutes when regi-
ments were ordered for India; and the men who thus went
out were generally very illiterate. The army was now in •
very different petition ; but still the officer who went
out to India, after he bad become accustomed to
society in this country, was not the an that idostiled
himself. with the natives. (Hem, hear.) He (the boes
gentlemen) could assure the house that he bad mod as-
williae7 taken part in theoppoaitioa which hadbees offered
to ; but he had dove ee beam ho