The Express.
London, England, 1866-02-24 00:00:00

.THE lEXPTegriak SATURDAY 'EVENING, FEBRUARY 24 1866.

for the absolute uniformity of the exchr game standie of one Lip,, and the fittieg out of so acpsdition—was a
weight' and measures its Distend and Irelmel. . . thing • ve board, lying on the surface of affairs,
CATTLE STATISTIC& 1 evident firtlbe light of day, and easy to be made
the subject of legal proceediuge. But it is Dot enough
Mr. C. S. READ asked the President of the Board of for my boa. friend to ems down here sad say that the
Trade what machinery the government intended to em Fenian, held a onngreel in Philadelphia, and that they col-
t° cellos& the
—. aggregate retains of the number of cattle in whaf E, mach moan • i 0.1. d retie
m no many years, a order to a
Great BrPain ? presumption that the American government bad neglected
Mr. M. GIBBON said the schedule was prepared by the ;to dad.. mow, heezli My. tom mead ought to show
Board of Trade • the Post-oillee would be used to deliver it that the preeeediogs aye been notorious, and that in
to the farmers and others having live stock ; certain officers •
the way that the y could be made the subject of
judicial
l
of the government connected wish the inland revenue would a' ibon' vestge . (Cheers.) My hon. friend has -shown nothing
be employed in the various districts, end the aggregate re- of the kind. I attended closely to what fell from him,
turn would be soda out by the Board of Trade. and I heard nothing which showed that any acts bad
THE QUEEN'S UNIVERSITY IN IRELAND. base done in America in violation of American law
Sir R Put sad Mr. Lowe again catechised the Cban. which it was the duty of the American govern-
°allot of the Exchequer with referenoe to the course which InOnt to have repressed and punished before the ordi-
the government proposed to adopt with respect to the con-
nary tribunals of the country. (Hear bear.) My horo
templated change* in the system of notional education in friend says that it is vain to act in Ireland unless we
deal with the evil at its source. Well, certainly, then are
Ireland. The former right hon. gentleman said he would
not proceed with the motion of which he bad given notice' very big words—(cheers)—dealing with the evil at its
source in the dominions of a foreign power perhaps involv-
tonehing the matter, provided the Chancellor of the Exobe-
i
quer would give a promise that no alteration should be fug measures for the ascertainment of the facts which we
would not for one moment tolerate or bear in this country.
made without first consulting the house se to the propriety
of it. I (Cheers.) This is a very large pretension and when we are so
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed : justly anxious to maintain our own country as a sanctuary
that the government had not made any change in their against every undue and doubtful demand of a forego go-
intentions in consequence of the notice of motion which veroment, for God's sake let us be a little patient at the
the right boo. baronet had given, and that the course which I outset, and a little tolerant in judging of the prooeed.
they proposed to adopt was in the first institute, to make , Inge of other governments. (Cheers.) We have not
up their minds what should be done, then to adviseher made these representations. Had we had facts
Majesty to give her sanction to their recommendations, ' of a nature that would have justified it at our command, I
sod eventually to submit the matter to the House of need not say they would have been made—(mar, hear)—
Commons before asking the crown to do any definite act but they must have been made in the view of definite ends.
to carry the proposed alterations into afoot. , (Hear, bear.) To make the general remonstrance which
I my boa. friend recommends, the mere complaint to the
. -.

THE OYSTER FISHERIES.
Mr. S. CAVE called attention to the report of the deep
sea fishery commission, the recommendations in which he
urged the goveroment to carry into effect without delay,
and especially to take steps for terminating the convention
with France.
Mr. DV CANE concurred in the suggestions of Mr.
Cave, and advocated a relaxation of the present close-
month system in the owe of oysters.
Obser►ations were also made by Mr. Guanos-Rnsow and
Mr. BLLes.

United States government of what is 4oiog on in America,
the mere setting forth of theinconvemence which tiring to
us from these lawless proceedings of certain American sub-
jects, would but diminish the dignity of this country.
(Hear, bear.) When we have the definite materials of
complaint, then will be the time • but it is not merely be.
cause we are hurt and wounded by what is going on—not
merely because we have a right to feel just indignation
against the guilty promoters of such enterprises, that we
shorld endeavour to make the United Settee government
reeNnsible for what they were usable to prtvrt. sad

EATING OF CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS. whisk we thread have been unable to previ' if the case
Mr. G. HARDY, is direct' attention tea recent de-
I were ieverted, and these proceedings took place Inoue own
ng
cision of the House of Lords on the rating of the Mersey ,
dominions. (Ether, beer.) We have confidenos tin the
government of the United States. (Hear, hear.) We be-
Docks, sod with referent* to the bearing of that decision livethe government of the United States will fulfil its
upon charitable intitutions, such es schools and hospitals, I International obligations to the best of its power. We have
inquired whether the government were prepared to legis- I confidence further in the public opinion of the United
late with a view of putting the rating generally on a fairer motto. (Hear, hear.) As far as we are informed, the
footing, and applying a principle more fitting to the sub- public opinion of the United States, like the public opinion
jest than thole of a hypothetical tenancy, and exempt
of England and Ireland, condemns these guilty proceed-
charities such as had been exempt from rating for more logo. (chem.) We are told that with that condemnation
thee a century until the &Maim referred to. I there is mingled in America something of contempt—
Mr. VIERS reminded the bon. gentleman that corn- 'hoar. hear)—that the promoters of Animism are regarded
mitten of both boners of parliament had strongly rsoom. gouty antics, whose strength is not proportioned
mended the abolition of all exemptions, and that, as chant- to their renal or tha, evil intentions. (Hoor, hear.)
able institutions were for the most put endowed with land And if that be so, it is a matter upon which it
and other property, there was so roman why they should is impossible to speak with official knowledge. But ob.
be exempt. &eh being the opinion of government, they vieeely it is au important point of policy in respect of
had no ingestion to bring in any bill on the subject. interference with the proceedings of the American govern-
INTERNATIONAL LAW. ment. With that belief, it we are justified in entertaining
E brought dnotice the Inds-
Mr. LABOUCHEitnu der it, the house, I think, will hardly be surprised if I say that
piny of our neutrality law to amble us to fulfil our iota- the days are its yet too early, and the information as yet
nstiosal obligations towards foreign oonotries, and urged by far too crude and immature to warrant statements in
the necessity of arming the government with greeter this house which tend even by remote implication to raise
powers to prevent the subjects of this country from sup. =don ofmmbreacenth of
(dEruearty,onhearthelpar.wt'eof
avian siveryliedsoandre
plying belie:sots with ships, arms, and ammunition, and
that Involving us in difficaltial with [deice powers. about Lem things ourselves. We hear that somebody in
assemblye
executive
Kr. ROEBUCK warned the executive against attempting or that somebody in rime
laced abroad, has
=th
to take upon itself powers of such a dangerous description. 4;l:prudent speeches, and has p
named of hs own couch./ in difficulties ,
The Aznerican people were not united, and he hoped they
gefiles are now turned. (Hew. hots-) Let tol Wellshow
aeon would be.
that, educated in the long habits of freedom, we, the mem-
Mr. LAINO WM in favour of amending the law relating
to international obligation, and was of opinion that private bus of this house, have more self command than the lees
property ought to be am much respected on the high seas as trained and led practised representatives of other nations.
Let us have some trust and reliance in the power which
ce shore. order every pert
uirwhich
fhilicher
Mr. SANDFORD would like to see an international con- this country turs"" to pres"."
green of the great maritime powers to agree upon some Majesty's dominions, in the dignity cad
elnle upon which their municipal laws might be never are at a higher point than when they are joined with
patinae and endurance, unconnected with the stuipicin of
band. weakness, but which, on the contrary, rest firmly upon the
The diseussion was continued by Mr. LEFEVER. conscionness of strength. (Hear, bear.) That is the
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL admitted that the qua'.
which I trust we may be permitted to take. Do
thee was one of great importance, but at the same time of "'"
not let us heedlessly or prematurely sow the seeds of mis-
much difficulty and delicacy. Her Majesty's government We do not for one moment attempt to conceal
were most darkens of oonsiderinr the subject in friendly trust'
from ourselves that the seed of this mischief lies in Aree-
oommunication with the (oedemata of the Uoited States and .
other powers, and on the 3rd of November last Earl Russell nes, and that the active agency has come from there.
But though it is in America we do not believe it to be of
wrote to Mr. Adams to the effect that as neither the law of —
the United States nor our own Foreign Enlistment Act had America. (Hear, hear.) It is not the genuine fruit of
American sentiment, or a general representation of the
proved completely efficacious, it was worthy of °onside's- American mind. (Hear, hear.) We believe it is condemned
tion whether improvement. might not be introduced inn
there as it is condemned here ; and believing that, in the
the laws of each nation, so that in future each government there
abater* of all evidence to the contrary, let as trust to
might base its own territory as "au" as its free inst."' a friendly government which has not as yet failed in its
Was would admit of against thine who tried to evade its duty, and which we believe will not fail In its duty. (Hear,
laws. He held that we had acted during the late civil war .
a .
in the United States with the utmost bona fides W) The right bon gentleman resumed his seat, but
and that
hell rose again, and said that without wishing to prevent hoe.
so far as the Alabama was oonoerned, we could not be gentlemen from speaking he frankly owned that it wee for
responsible for evils which we had no power to prevent. the public interest, quite irrespective of this or that admi-
FENIANISId IN AMERICA. castration, that the handling of this subject and the magi-
Mr. WA.TEIN rose to inquire of the Chancellor of the &intim of it should be left at the present time and under
Exchequer, if any and what representations bad been made present circumstance, in the bands of the executive govern-
by her Majesty's government to the government of the meet. Plow. bear.)
United States in reference to the Fenian organisation in Mr. WATKIN said that after the statement of the
America ; and more especially as to the employment of right hon. gentleman he should have no objection to with-
United States officer', the issue of bond. of the so-called draw his amendment. (Hear.)
Irish republic, and the threats made to levy war upon the Mr. OTWAY begged to remind the house that in these
domiaioes of her Majesty by that organisation ; and to matters safety was not always to be found in silence. That
move for copies of all papers relating thereto. He hoped was found to be the case in regard to the Crimes war,
that the right hon. gentleman would be able to show that when they drifted into war because the Emperor of Rune
her Majesty's government had at least exhausted their had not been made aware of the sentiments of that
efforts to induce the government of the United States house. He had too much confidence in the justice
ta cooperate with them in puttieg away from amongst of the American people and of President Johnson
them an organisation so perilous to the good nederstaading to believe that they were aware of the stet"
that ought to exist between two kindred pees. (Cheers.) of feeling in this country with regard to Fenianiam,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—So far as and the mischief which had been occasioned by that organ.
we are concerned there are no papers upon this subject that nation.
could be produced. My hon. friend apparently anticipated Mr. L. OLIPHANT said that having recently returned
that some reason might be edged of him for the discussion from the United States be wished to convey to the house
which he we about to introduce. He has stated his reason the impressions he had formed of the Fenian organisation
to be, that he believe* the people of the United States to in that country, and from personal observation he could say
be au outspoken people, and that we ass an outspoken that the course proposed by the bon. member for Stock
peoplee also. I entirely agree with my hon. friend ; sod I would be the most in soacirdance with the views of port the
believe that the result of the publicity given to every din- leaders of that movement. (Hear, hear.) Had the
mission on all subjects whatever in this hoses and else. bon. gentleman himself been a head centre he could not have
where in this oonntry, forms perhaps the most characteristic done anything better calculated to promote their object.
and also the most valuable feature of our habita and Teti- (Hear, bear.) What the Fenian wanted was some oils to
twins. At the same time it does appear to me that con- take notice of them. (Hear, hear.) They had made them-
siderations of time and place, of order of proceedings, of selves the subject of ridicule from one end of America
prudence and of policy, ought not to be set aside. to the other, and what they wanted was some one to
I confess if I ask myself what useful object it is that my sympathise with them. When we had recognised theSonth as
hon. friend anticipates from commencing a discussion on belligerents, the American people in a natural ebullition of
this subject at the present moment, I find it difficult to feeling, said, " if anything happens to Ireland or to India,
give an answer. (Hear, hear.) I would ask my hoe, we will recognise them as belligerents, and allow our
friend to recoiled, considering the tone of his remarks, the ushers togo out.* They never suppmed or expected that
position in which England usually sad habitually stands in soy such thing would hsppec, but the statements took root
the face of foreign countries, that the proceedings of En- in the minds of Irishmen, and they determined to excite
lists citizens are constantly made the subject of complaint a movement in Ireland to pot the Americans to the test
abroad, that imputations are constantly thrown upon the whether they would stand by the opinions they had ex-
English government of a disinclination to interfere in such pressed in the heat of the war, Now, it was clear whether
cases, that we plead against those imputations the freedom such a feeling existed or not, that there were clew,
sow
of our laws and our habits, and the extreme inexpediency outstanding which caused some angry feeling, and he be-
ard imprudence of attempts on the part of any government Tined that any representation that would allay irritation
at measures of repression on behalf and is the interests of would diminish the chance of the Fenians succeeding ; and
foreign governments unless those measures of repression are therefore it was of the utmost importance that
founded upon facts of a character perfectly notorious or the possibility of an armed insurrection in bellied
certain to be attended with success. (Hear, hear.) lam ehoeld be avoided in order that no pressure should he put
bound to say that I do not think that there was in the upon the American people as to whether they would steed
speech of my hon. friend a sufficient amount of allowanco by the words they had uttered. The people might put on
for those consideration on behalf of the government of a pressure in such a case which the government would find
the United States. (Hear, hear.) If lam to consider the it very difficult to resist, and Fenian cruisers might cause
statemects of my bon, friend, I find that be accompanied us the greatest annoyance, as the Alabama had done the
them with a hope that I should be able to show that all the Americana. He thought the time had come when we
means of repression at their command bad been exhausted might make a representation to the American
by the United States government government in reference to the outstanding chino be-
Mr. W ATKIN—The right hoe. gentleman hardly repro- tween the two countries, and that this was not a
senta me accurately. What 1 meant to ark was, whether wrong moment to suggest that a conference should
the right hon. gentleman was able to assure us that oar own take place on the claims which had been made and as to
government bad exhausted all remonstrance, and that the the defective state of the maritime law. (" No, no,' and
Uoited States were loyally endeavouring to give effect "bear, hear.") If it were not looked into and a settle-
to their laws. meat of it made, difficult questions, such as those between
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I event Chili and Peru, and America and this country, would con-
the words of my hon. friend, and do not think the differ- staidly arise. (Hear, bear.)
eon at all material. (Hear, beer.) Does my hon. friend Mr. YORKE said that be thought that Sleben. member
really suppose that making these statements from the news- for Stockport bad done good service by bringing the quern-
papers first publicly in this boner, without any previous title before the house, and that the Chancellor of the
communication with the government, it would be in my Exchequer had blinked the real question. No blame was
power to follow him, to identify the sources from which he intended to be imputed to the American government; no
drew them—which he, in various instances, I think, did oot want of faith, no breach of international law or oblintion
state—and to show in what degree, upon a careful exami. was laid to their charge. But the hoe. member for Stock-
nation of each of those etatements, they could or could not port said there is an organisation subsisting in America
be made matters of representation to the United States for many years which has raised large sums of
government? I am bound to say it appears , money, which had exported a large amount of arms
to me that if we are to maintain the full di,- to Ireland, and sent agents well provided with matey
chugs of international duties, those international into that country. How, in the face of such fade, acold
duties affect tot governments alone, but all those we refrain from urging on the American government the
who fill public stations in civilised countries, importance of giving attention to these things.
sad that if there are statements to be made apparently I Mr. WALPOLE said he had great hopes that after the
with the intention of implicating the good faith of a appeal made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer the Ns-
foreign government, it is hardly too much to ask that onion would rot be prolonged. He had his own ed-
those statements should first be placed in the hoods of nion and his own convictions about Fenianiam in Ireland,
the authorised representatives of our own government, in and also as to the encouragement given to it ie America •
order that if neoessary they may be made the subject of but when be looked at the discussions which bad been
communication between the two governments, and that raised in reference to the international question of the
either our own government may be made responsible for Foreign tidbit:zed Act, and of Fenianism in America he
declining to act upon them, or else the government against could not but think that they were grave, difficult, std umwhich the complaint is made may be made responsible barrassiog pianos, to bring before the house on the mm-
for declining to nowt the remonstaance. (Hear.) The hon. Lion that the Speaker do leave the chair. These dimming
gentleman has made statement§ which are in a great might involve a controversy the end of which they
measure perfectly vague as regards the points at nem could not see. However, the time was not ripe for these
It may be true—and it is unhappily too true—that Fe- discussions, and therefore be thought they ought not to be
pianism is in the main, and as to the means by which it Is commend. (Hear, hear.) Whatever might be their own
supported, a thing imported from America. About that feelings, either as regarded Ireland or the United Slates,
there on he no doubt. (Hear, hear.) But that is not all these questions should be brought batons the house in a
which shows that representations ought to be made to the specific. form, and not be discussed in a manner which
American government, and the American government dial. could give to no person any satisfaction. (Hear, bear.)
loured either to put it down or to show why it has not put Mr. T. HUGHES was glad to beer witness to the friendly
it down. Many hero heard the admirable speech of the tone of the debate. He did not intend to trouble the house
Attorney-General in the early part of the evening. And about the Fenian conspiracy in Ireland, or with our rela-
what did my hon. and thorned friend say is reference to ties' with the United States, nor should be have risen but
the demand that we should submit the case of the Alabama for the remarks of the Attorney-General, who, in speaking
toubitistion? Hesaid, we arerebactant allowthatgovern- of the Alabama, said there were two themes which pre-
med' are responsible for the putting 'lows and prevention of vented the government of this *matey from going to
things whisk cannot always be put down or prevented. arbitration upon those questlonv which wen at lame be.
(Hear, bear.) There are two things in the main which we times the two countries. The first reason given was that
have a right to expect from the Ameriessi government. matins mast not compromise their hamper, and that di.-
One is. that when the America len have been broke., honour would be imputed to this cometsy if they had gone
they should promptly vindicate Glow laws in behalf of to arbileatioe. The bones had right teak why ? the
losbad, brim friend pointed out that in the case government were right in their contention, it was impossible
if drain, the United States governmeet bed mosso* that the,, could beanydishonour in referring the questions
vinissated those laws. Yes ; but the set dons in the ease of to arbitration. (Hear, bear.) The emend reason given by
Spain by Mr. M'Kenneg—thi purchase eta ship, or more than the Attorney Gennall wee that it would be a dangerous