The Express.
London, England, 1867-08-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

EOM OF LORDS. —7, . • sr I.
Tue Horse of Logo-, yesterd.i.y, again went
Into committee on the Representationof the People
Bill, and on clause 1!, which enacts that Is moughs
which had a less populati.m than 10,1100 at the last
census shall in future return only one member,
Kiel (leer moved an amendment to substitute
12,000 for 10,0100. He intended, he said. if the
amendment were carried, to nn:ve the addition ..f
winds by which provision would bo made for
grouping certain towns together with the view of
their returning members jointly. A proposition.
would Also be niade for disfranchising some of the
smaller boroughs altogether, to which he had no
Objection. Ity the first proposition, they would
obtain twelve seats for disposal, and by the
system of grouping which he intended to
pnipose, eleven more would be gained,
making twenty-three in all. He prirosed
that three of these seats should bo given t • the
Inns of Court. The remaining seats ought. in his
opinion, to be given to the largest and most popu-
lous counties and boroughs. and he proposed that
all counties and divisions of counties having coon•
than 15n,000 inhabitants should have a third
member. This would affect twelve counties and
divisions of counties, and eight bormglis. He
added that he did not propose this scheme entirely
upon his own rests bility, having consulted many
of his friends before he submitted it.

The Earl of Hexer characterised the plan as
crude amh incomplete, and said its adoption would
Jead to the introduction of new and untried prin-
ciples, which Gould not be settl,d wi; bout full con-
sideration, involving the sitting of parliament for
the nest three months, and the substitution of an
entirely new Reform Bill. One of the principal
features of the distribution scheme of the gover.t-
inelit was that, except in eases of proved corrup-
tion, it disfranchised nobody, and to that portion
of the new scheme the government intended to
adhere. A very strong ease should be shown to
induce their lordships to go beyond the House of
Connums in a scheme of partial disfranchisement,
and it was umeasonable at this period of the ses-
sion to reconsider the whole ipiestion. He had a
strung ohieetion to the adoption of any widely
extended scheme for the joint represent:it' of
majorities and mirorities in three-cornered consti-
tuenciea. If the amendment were carried he sh.muld
mote that the chairman report progress, with the
view of consulting his colleagues as to the course
they ought to pursue.
Th.• Earl of HARROWRY thought Lord Derby had
not do:ie justice to the scheme of Earl Grey, which
by giving representation to minorities would pro-
♦ide a safeguard against the dangers which the bill
threatened.

The Duke of ARGYLL thought their lordships had
much cause to complain of the intimation con-
tained in the concluding remarks of the Earl
of Derby, which virtually told them that
the month of the House of Lords was to be closed
upon the great question of the distribution of
seats. He hoped, however, that their lordships
would preserve their freedom and independence un-
fettered, and that they would vote for the amend-
ment if they thought its adoption would improve
the bill. If the question of redistribution was to
be dealt with at all it should be dealt with in a
complete manner. .

CATI CAIRNS said there were many portions of
the redistribution scheme which he did not ap-
prove of. He objected to the mode in which counties
were affected by it, and he did not think that the
disfranchisement of tho smaller boroughs was car-
ried far enough. A better scheme might be de-
vised, hut, as the reopening of the question of re-
dintribution must lead to the abandonment of the
bill for the present session, he should vote against
the amendment.

Earl RIMINELL said the question was whether
they were really desirous of passing a good and
complete measure, and he strongly objected to an
imperfect settlement by passing a faulty scheme,
which must inevitably invite discussion hereafter.
He should vote for the amendment so far as it re-
lated to the boroughs that were hi f attire to return
one member each, but would not pledge himself to
the details of the scheme submitted by Lord Grey
for redistributing the seats that would be gained.
The LORD CRANeELLOR pointed out that the
scheme of Lord Grey, besides being objectionable
in itself, did not contain the elements of a final
settlement of the question.
The Earl of CARNARVON supported the amend-
ment. Last year he would have opposed such a
scheme, but things had become altogether altered.
The Earl of CARDIGAN thought it was unwise to
throw any obstacle in the way of the bill, and he
opposed the amendment, because if it were adopted
it would interpose delay.
The Earl of Atm.'s supported the amendment.
Earl &senora had come down to the house pre-
pared to vote for the amendment, but the speech
of Earl Grey in introducing it induced him to take
the opposite course. He thought it hardly fair,
after the principle of the representation of minori-
ties had been affirmed the other night, to endea-
vonr to cut up the whole country into three-cor-
nered constituencies. He would prefer that the
bill should he lust than that such a result should
be arrived ut.
The Earl of KINIIIILLIY should vote for the
amendment. because he thought it afforded a
better prospect of arriving at a satisfactory settle-
ment than the plan of the government.
Earl Kmasi:us thought it intolerable that so
important a question as the future constitution
oi the country should not be thoroughly discussed
because the month of August had arrived.
Earl GR.►rvttts said if the government would
present a reasonable scheme of red:stribution both
louses would be prepared to sacrifice their crotchets
and to assist. _

The Earl of Daisy replied. He did not think
that the redistribution proposed by the govern-
ment could be final, but he called on their lordships
by their votes to show they were disinclined to in-
terpose any obstacle in the way of passing the bill
in the present session.
The house then divided, and the amendment
was rejected bq 98 to 86.
Lord LYVIDIN then moved an amendment to
disfranchise all boroughs with a population of less
than 5,000, but on a division the amendment was
negatived by 93 to 37.
The house adjourned at 5 minutes to 12.

/1017 SE OF COMMONS.—THOINDAY, AIICIIIST 1.
Is the House of Commons, Mr. M. TORRENS
gave notice of his intention on an early day to
move " that this horse sees no reason for altering
the unanimous decision at which it has arrived in
favour L.f a 101. lodger qualification."
Lord It. MONTAOU stated, in reply to Mr. Gre-
gory, that it was not intended to issue a commission
so inquire into the state and effect of technical
education abroad ; that all the information that
could be obtained was to be had in a printed form,
and that instructions would be given to the secre-
taries of the various legations to collect that in
formation.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply to Mr. J. 8.
Mill, stated that he had taken into consideration
the evidence produced at the trials bycourt-martial
lately held in Jamaica on Ensign Cullen and Staff
Assistant-Surgeon Morris, and that it was not
his intention to recommend her Majesty's govern-
ment to institute proceedings against those officers
in the ordinary tribunals of the country.

Mr. Fswesii having asked the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether he would promise that parlia-
ment should be consulted before either a charter
wasgranted toe Roman cat-Wicunivcrsity, or before
the government sanctioned any other scheme affect-
ing university education in Ireland,

The CHANC'ELLOa of the Exenzqurs said that
the government would conduct themselves &word-
ing to the practice of the constitution, but he de-
clined to enter into &promise on either that or any
other measure at the bidding of the hon. gentle-
man—an observation which elicited murmurs of
disapprobation from the opposition.
On the order forgoing into committee of supply,
Mr. Mosszta. inquired whether government in-
tended to propose any measure for the consolidation
of the Irish railway system.
Lord Nita admitted that something must be

,lone t.o place the Irish railways in a more satisfac-
tory position. It was impossible, however, at this
period of the session, to invite parliament to consi-
der*. iiiipOrtant a question. They were nut in
possession of sufficient information to appoint a
commission to ascertain the exact condition of the
Irish railways, and he expected that parliament
would have the requisite informatiun by the com-
mencement of next session.

Mr. HORAIALL trusted the day was far distant
when the house would think of purchasing the Irish
railways.
Mr. Gunza was one of the commissioners on
Irish railways, and the more he considered the
subject the more he was convinced that thu pur-
,:imse by the government of the Irish railways
would be of no benotit to Ireland.

Mr. Lsixe observed that the question was whe-
ther Ireland was nut in an exceptional position,
and if it could be shown that, by using the credit of
the state, assistance could be given to the railways,
and that at no great risk, they could work the
railways at a low tariff, he thought it worth while
to put aside tho doctrines of political economy. But
it was not worth while doing anything unless they
did a great thing.
The discussion was continued by Sir F. HEY-
Gars, who looked upon it as an imperial question ;
by Mr. CHILDERA, who pointed out that no rail-
ways paid in England which did not run through
a mining or manufacturing district ; by Mr.
WLAREN, who objected to the railway share-
holders in Ireland putting their hands into the
national purse ; by Mr. HENLEY, who disapproved
of government taking into their own hands the
management of railways ; and by Mr. GLADSTIiNE,
who said he thought it might be worth their while
to depart in this exceptional case from the ordinary
economic rules which regulated government on
these matters. Three other subjects were also dis-
cussed— the restrictions placed on the importation
of foreign cattle into Liverpool ; the proposed ap-
pointment of a commission to consider and repot t
respecting the exhibitions of the national collec-
tions of tine art and of the portraits belong;•ig to
the national portrait gallery, which was moved by -
Mr. Cowper, and alter a discussion withdrawn ;
and the decision of a Cornish magistrate sentencing
six persons to imprisonment for trespassing, to
which attention was called by Mr. Taylor.
The house then went into committee of supply,
and un the vote for 520,428/. the amount required
to complete the sum wanted for the Post-office
packet service, . _ _

Mr. CRAWFORD called attention to that part of
the report of the select committee of 1866 on East
India communication which refers to the postal
service with India, China, and Australia, and to
the Treasury minute of the 4th September on
the subject. One of the recommendations was that
tenders should be invited for • weekly service, and
that that service should be to Bombay alone, the
service to the other portions of India to b 3
omitted, and that the service from Suez
to Bombay should be an express service. A
Treasury minute was made on the 4th September
which stated that the difference between the
amount received for the postage and the amonn.,
prid for the conveyance of the mails was 160,0001.;
but the fact was that the loss, so far as India was
concerned, was only 48,000/. The contract with
the Peninsular and Oriental Company expired on
the Ist of February next, and the Secretary of the
Treasury had intimated that forms of tender had
been sent to the Menageries Imperiales, and it wra
to be presumed, therefore, that if that company
made • lower tender they would have the cor -
tract. He submitted that this was against public
policy, and, besides, it was unfair. The Penin-
sular and Oriental Company received a subsidy of
4s. Gd. a mile; the Menageries Imperiales a sub-
sidy of 205., and in fact the latter company was
supported by the French government.
Mr. HUNT justified the government in endea-
vouring to make the most economical arrangements
for the carrying of the mails, and submitted the.
they ought not to exclude either a French or any
other company. They had been entering into ar-
rangements with the French government which
might result in their mutual advantage, and when
three were concluded they would be able to come
to a decision.

Mr. Cannata agreed with Mr. Crawford that it
would be very inexpedient to make a contract with
a foreign company, and especially with one which
had a contract with its own government.
Mr. Lww considered that nothing would cause
so great a loss of our prestige in the East as the
disappearance of our mail packets in the East and
the employment of French vessels.
After some further discussion, in the course
of which Mr. GLADMTONI and Mr. AYRTON
pointed out that by the resolution of the house no
binding contract could be entered into by the
government without its being subject to the ap-
proval of the house, the vote was agreed to.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
and the house adjourned at a quarter to 3 o'clock.

RICIllteS CABII.

THE- EXPRESS. FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST $, ism

Mato Intelligente.
EQUITY COURTS.—Arover 1.
(i;viore tt a Master of the

THE JOIST STME DI.OOEXT COMPANY (LIMITED).

Trail W 33 an application by the official liquidator of the
above company. the obje^t of which was to fix the name of
E. F. Siehel on the list of contribute-ice in respect of 290
shares. It appeared that Mr. Nobel in February, 1666,
mad., an advance to a Mr. S•ifford of upwards of 2,trlti.
on the security of 290 shams in the above concern. On
the 6th and 7th of that month sets of transfers of those
*hares were lodged by Michel at the office of the company,
for registration of the shares in his own name. This
registration, however, wee not made, owing to acme negli-
gence by the officer of the company, though Sichel subse-
quently applied, even after he had been repaid his ad-
vanes.. that the shares might be transferred and oertifloatts
issued to him.

Mr. Jes.el, Q.C., for the liquidator, relied on Still's case,
which his lordship decided some short time since.
Mr. Southgate, Q.C., and Mr. J. Roberts were for Mr.
SicheL

His lordship thought if his decision in Still's case was
right Mr. Sealers name was now on the list, as the rights
of the parties must be determined as though the officer of
the company had done his duty. The transfers ought to
have been dealt with in due course, and whatever his
equity agaiust other parties, Mr. tin:leis case must be re-
garded as though the matter had been duly transacted.
The case was not to be decided on equities external to the
transaction, with which, under the circumstances, the
court had nothing to do. The name must be fixed on the
list, but booing regard to the importance of the case the
costs of all parties should come oat of the estate.

SHARE LISTS.-(THIS DAY.)

OILOINARY SHAMS AND ISTOOKIL

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8,0818
8,001
1,908
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1,690
6,000
6,908
6,000
1,084
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1.001

10000,000 kirldsoColm.Op.c4,lll9l
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Go• p. 4,111741.
Do. Spe.l ak feb.adao.
11,111,1010 Do. 6psictissa
686,1061 Do. Swat las.
900,000!Ospecdeldor=
DD
ds. 101048
Do. do. 180041
164060 D 0.80.4.10.104.1100
110,000000 Do Osiloa,Now. Oa 9, .p.. 191. 18'78, do..
1,000,030 Do. 1871 do._
1841 Manner 11 past,
900, Do. 1818
WO, De. 11102
800. , Do. lON
164600,N5t5100•.6p.e.Ap.&04
166,000 New Bran4-0046patel.
1,114800 New Walk Wass 804.1
p. 050L,1371 to NM I
1,671,800 Do. 6p. 41888 to 16105
864000 WA:, e.r,1861 1876
110,000 New Zsalsad elpar .at
1,600,0001 Do. 6pw ask I
600000, Do. 6 per caul UM
1 0040001 Do.d• 11/91Juas&Dsa
101,0001 Nova Scotia 6 p. a, '
1864.011 Queens/sad 00.. 616.
1,177,150, Do. Do. um ....I
124 outs 6.Au5t..00•. 6D. 0.,61-77 ,
De. 1870 and op•rds
860,000 17140m8p. 4 lea. Jab
7.064000 Do. 41p. at Aprl Rno

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