The Express.
London, England, 1858-05-18 00:00:00

(Stamped ld. Additional.) (TWOPENCE.

forth in the despatch, end toey would do much to avert
al end peril from England. (Hear, hear.)
deems
HOPE said that there were really before
them two warns to adopt. There mu the resolution of hi.
tight Ms. Mend, and the amendment of the hon. member for
Swansea. If Lord glisnborough had not resigned he
should be ready to vote for some such motion as that of his
right hon. friend. But the resignation of that noble lord
changed the position of thiags. The first part of his right
hon. friend's motion had been acted upon, and the latter
part of it shirked the question. (Hear. near.) Hs thought
the real friend. of Lord Coning should support the amend•
meat of the hum member for &names. He thought it neces-
sary to pass some censure= whet had been done, but he
would not, as far as be was concerned, make the vote on the
present occasion sebum the views of the cabal who wished
merely to step into rake. (Hear, bear.) Under these Mr-
muumuus be should vote weakest the mutation of his right
hon. friend, in the Wye that the issue might be tried oa the
amendment of the hob. member for Swansea. (Hear.)
Mr. ATHERTON supported the original resolution.
Assuming, he said, that the proclamation called for disap-
probation, there were various ways of expressing it, and he
complained, without reference to the policy of Lord
Canning, of the terms in which the opinion of the
government had been conveyed to Lord Canning,
which could not fail to make an undeserved painful impres-
sion upon him—terms which he characterised as arrogant
and busulting. The laying the despatch upon the table of
the house was equivalent to placardieg upon the walls of
Lucknow and In the villagnof Ode a document that vindi-
cated the rebellion of the people, who were, he said, as =soh
the tabled@ antes Chem of England as the peopled Seaga.
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Lord ELCHO salt was only a few waits since a right
hon. gentleman had moved a resolution boar, a despatch
had not been written. They werinowcalled en toic4reas regret
that a despatch had been wellessi be hit
vote strongly on the
•fibieti. and &mild unhesitatingl hie in favour ef
Is.. motion. ("Hear, law," nom the opposition benches.) Be
Weald not utter into the ooratlon of the annexation of ends,
but would confine his observations to the proclamation.. the
writing of the despatch, and the publication of it. With
repo to the proclamation, he did not think they were in pos-
surd= of sufficient infoimattun to give an opinion on the.'
merits. If it were to be taken in the sense placed on it
bythe government, that it was intended to take away
property thievery proprietor in Oude, it became • qtzee-
lion whether they ought not to have recalled the Governor-
General—(hosr, hear) -but it roust be remembered that ,
other persons placed a very different oonstruetion on it. In
judging this point they ought to take into consideration the
opinion of the Governor-General himself, expreseed in Mr.
Edmonstone's letter to the COMMiSMOUCT in Oude. It appeared
that he considered It so very lenient in Its character ea that it
could only be tamed after rite assertion of our power ; with-
out that it would have been regarded by the people of °tide
sea confession of weakness. It appeared to him that the
government had acted cruelly and unjustly towards the Go-
versior.General by °ensuring him without poseasidng sniff-
dent information, and by applying to him ungenerous and
unfeeling language. He also considered the amens which
they had pursued moat impolitic in reference to oar Whin
emphs.
Sir B. PEEL maintained that the motion wee bronght
forward, net to protect the interests of India or menage the
mortification of Lord Canning, bat as a
_party attack upon
the government. He regretted that haft should be tads
the field of faction, and proceeded to enemies the
course of recent policy In that country. especially with regard
to the annexation and administration of Ouds. From hie
review of the circammances he contended that the

proclamation was violent and unjust, and the
despatch in reference thereto perfectly appropriate.
They had heard • great deal about the premature
publication of despatches, they had heard a great deal
about the blame attaching to the Secretary of the Beard of
Control for observations which he had made, but that gnus
not the real question at new now. (Cheers from the
Miniaterialiata.) The resolution said, " That the house had
seen with regret and meow apprebengion," Sc., &c.
Now, it seemed to him, that there was something
oonoseled under that " regret and serious appre-
hension"— (ministerial cheers) that there was some-
thing hypocritical in the language used. (Renewed
cheers.) - It was not a straightforward expression of
opinion. If he might give expression to an opinion which
waa very prevalent out of doors, he would drive home the
hypocrisy of certain disinterested p litician.. (Ministerial
cheer*, followed by ironical counter cheers from the oppm&
Soul There was not very much " regret" and "ate
don ' he thought, at the circumstance that the Secretary of
the Board of Control had published the despatch premn
but he had himself very Stllioll.l apprehensions whin
he perceived that India was being made the shuttlecock of
wifl. The right hon. gentleman the member ter
(Sr C. Wood) mid that he should not oars if
the government were turned out to-morrow. and that ha be-
lieved the people would rejoice at it. Well, that wee the
(Haw, bear.) This was a party move. (DPP
from the &Materialists.) The real question wee
one between Lord Derby and the noble lord the member fi r
Tiverton. (loud cheers from both sides.) He was sure he
spoke not his owe opinion only, but that of thousands of hie
countrymen, when he paid that the question at issue in that
discussion was whether Lord Derby should continue to per-
form the duties of a position which he fairly and honourably
aognired, or whether the Howe of Commons. in trembling hu-
miliation at a Piccadilly manifesto, would allow the noble lord
the member for Tiverton to scramble back to power (Cheers.)
It was a very serious and Important questka whether, after
the manifestation of condemnation of Ma policy lately ex-
hibited, they should let him en beck to power on a party
question respecting India They heard it said on the oppo-
sition beadle* that Lord Derby had no policy, that be could
not fro to the country, that he mud go out; but he said that
the strength of a government in these days depended not on
actual numerical streneth in that house, but on the soar
sympathies of the public—(hear)—he said that those um-
pathiee would be with any party in power, whether Lord
Derby or the noble lord the member for London—for he wee
the tree representative of liberaliam—(cheers)—be said that
those sympathies would be with any party that knew bow to
conduct the affairs of the country. This woe • party move; and
let him, before the house came to • decision on this question,
let him ask hon. members to consider the champions in this
struggle. The noble lord the member for Tiverton had just
been convicted, on the clearest evidence—(laughter)—of
toasty* foreign influenoe. (Laughter and cheers.) The
noble lord bad just been convicted of preferring the flattery
sf despots to the friendship of a conetiturional sovereign.
(" No, no," end cheers.) Hoe. members end " No '." but he
had; end they wanted to bring him hack again to power.
The noble told on two occasion@ in this war had lAA its
moral courage, as wee palpable to everybody ; sad Lord
Derby, since Its had he fn power, bad been infinitely mon
liberal in aotion than the noble lord the member for
Tiverton. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had not left stagy
legacies behind him, but there was se India Bill, and it wee
add there was • Reform Bill. but it had been dealt with as
though it were a road trust bill. (ii Hear bear." end a
laugh.) Lewd Derby at once repudiated the Conspiracy
BM—(olteire)--and he at once, and without hesitation, pro-
cured the release of our two unfortunate 00011frY;Deli—
(cheen)—end be bad "eked for an indemnity, end was likely
to obtain it. In doing as he had he but re-echoed the feelings
out of doom and he geld that the noble lord wee
entitled to their gratitude, berme be had without
delay grappled with that question. TWA wag an liens
between the two noble lords. If the government were
beaten on this occasion, protably thief, might be a
diseolution. (Laughter, aocompaafei by cheers from the mi-
nisterial benches.) He thought that the decision of the
Homes of Leeds would go far to influence nnbisesed and dis-
beerened Writ in this bows (Cheers) He heard an
has, member say, " It may en the other way." He wished
Ds dada that there was no House of Lords at all. But let
ben, eassabire confider this, thee if there went a dissolution
to-money many of them might loos their state in that hoses
(Cheers ranter cheers and laughter.) They might lose
th& mate quite Irrespective of the declaim on this quarks,
bat brow in the harry they bad not had time to
their ewe operations. (A laugh.) Was it right for
to be submitted to mob an ordeal as wee !Daly to arise
upon this party tmenin f (A hash.) grad goer
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under 'Wiseman et then principles Wilk em tree Wier
time bed taught se to admire. Let them armee in severs
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hear.) Nothing could be more removed from the tenth
than the allegation that this motion was a hypocritical
Pretext for raising a party Lane. et Oh, oh.")
Nothing could be more removed from the truth
-(" oh," and a laugb)-than the assertion that
this question had not boon forced on them in such •
manner that theyoonld not avoid it without derelon of their
public duty. (Hear, bear.) It was not possible for them to
peas over the subject. If gentlemen on that aide of this
house had been in search of • question since the change of
government on which to bring on • party motion they might
have found it not merely in this Indian question, bat an
many points connected with the legislative mesons* on
which had been proposed by the government. la the tram.
meat of that nameare the opposition had shown that they
were not actuated by party ambition, and it was steer that:
this matter had been thrust on them-that they had not
been actuated by party motives-(t• Oh, oh," and cheeray-,
sad that it was a moss of public duty which.
imbued tame to oak the House of Commons to mimes
an opinion upon the matter. He wished to call
their attention to what he considered to be the main.
stress of this question, namely, what was meant by the term
• gamed confiscation of the lend in Oude. That was the
ground on which Lord Ellenbomugh's censure was founded,.
and that was the ground on which the house was called on to
give • vote equivalent to • vote of censure on the govern-
ment. The hon. member for Tamworth referred to the tree
of the Karl of Derwentwater, and others concerned in the
rebellion in 1716. He stared that that nobleman's lands
were confiscated, and he added, " the matter eluded there."'
(Hew, hear.) Everybody knew that the Reel of Horvath
water underwent decapitation, aze. therefore, kis punishment.
did not end with the Leta lead, mid so it was with the other
pidneipel traitors who were convicted in 1716 sad 1745 fist
traelliii. The general rule had been confiscation Where per--
seas led been engaged he rebellion egoista the.
Crown of Engleid In former times, and was
Aga known to have been largely acted upon fix
lee skier country of Ireland ; Indeed, it had bees said that
the penalty el foefeiturs lied bees inflicted in reference to all
the Led of leaked several tierce over. He might be wrong;
but he maintained that any candid and equitable man, who
would take • fair view of this proclamation and of the prac-
tice with respect to annexation in India, and of the conduct
of the ladien government-he said that any candid person
who would take all the circumstances into °onside's-
tian, must admit that what he had stated was a rea-
sonable tees traction of Lord Canning's proclamation.
The government had not waited for advises from Loh
ad
but had assumed as indubitable that the proclama-
tion bore this construction, whereas he maintained that it
couldnotandain such aninteipretation, and that at all eventalt
was a great offence on the part of the government to immune
as certain that which admitted of the gravest doubt. (Hear,
hear.) He deliberately maintained that what Lord Canning
Meant was, that in case of rebellion, the territory which be-
te the crown or the East India Company should be
be-
lo
He could not conceive any sane man imagining
that Lord Canning meant to confiscate the rights of ell the
owners and occupier. of the land. (Ministerial cheers.)
Snob • weaseling had never been heard of since the times of
remote antiquity. (Renewed ministerial cheers) He re-
that such a proceeding was never heard of since the
of remote antiquity, when conquest was followed by
the slaughter of a whole population, by the selling of all the
women into slavery, and by the transferring the territory to
ea entirely new colony. (Hear.) Such a policy was un-'
known to modern times, and no sane man could rapport*
Lord Canning to have contemplated it. (Hear, hear.) He'
meant each a confiscation as that of Lord Derwentwater's,
this constry-an act which Lord Canning could never have
dreamt of. No ; what the Governor-General meant was,
a Ceefileation of the proprietary rights, and here the oo-
verziort General said, " If you will fulfil certain 000ditione, if
you will prove your loyalty, you shall be re-instated." Be-
fore the government assumed the existence of an opposite in-
tention, they Mould at least have waited until they had weer.'
tented from Lord Canning himself what were really hie In-
tentions. The Under-Secretary of State for the Home
Department had challenged the house to point out one
fact in the despatch which could not be proved by irrefre
evidence. He (Sir G. Lewis) thought there was at
one fact in it which he could disprove by ine-
fmgable evidence. It was in the eleventh para-
graph, which stated that the Ring of Oade and
hie ancestor,. had been uniformly faithful to their treatise
with us, however ill they might have governed their own
subjects. Now, if anyone would look to Lord Dalhatude'S
minute in which the annexation was announced he would

Sod that it was precisely in the maladministration of domain°
government that the breach of the treaty consisted. (Hear,
hear.) In the couree of the debate it had been elleged that
ralegovernment and the breach of treaties were two distinct
points, whereas it was a breach of the treaty when the King
ceased to govern his subjects well. (Hear.) The purport
of our treaty was to defend Code against all
entente', external and internal, on condition that
the king should govern hie subjects in a proper
manner. It Wee affirmed by Lord Dalhousie that mis-
government had taken place, and it was in consequence
of that misgovernment, which was a violation of the treaty,
that the territory was forfeited to the English crown. He
was not going to travel again over the ground of the publi-
cation of the despatch, but he could not forbear remarking
that two versions had been put forward by speakers on the
Treasury bench as excuses for the despatch. The Solicitor-
General said that the publication bad been rendered neces-
sary by the circumstance that a oopy of the despatch had
been given to Lord Granville, and another to a member of
that Musa, and that therefore ft could no longer be concealed.
That appeared to be inconclusive evidence, seeing that they
were given on the honourable understanding that they should
net he made public. But a noble lord who had spoken later
in the debate used different grounds, saying that after the
description of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ennieeity was
raised amongst the public and in the home, and it was im-
possible any longer to enppreas so important a despatch. The
government, then, according to the noble lord, came to the
condones that it was n to lay it on the table.
That appeared to be a fair, straightforward ex-
planation ; but it was entirel77 inconaletent with the
story of the learned Solicitor- . (Hear, hear.)
But the complicity of the government with respect to the
whole dispatch did not met there. It seemed that after the
entire despatch had been pmmired, the government delibe-
rated upon the expediency of withholding certain paragraphs ;
end certainly, in reading those paragraphs over, it was
hardly to be wondered at that they should think of striking
out all that bore on the policy of the annervion of Oude.
The following day the late President of the Board of Control
said that It me necessary to withholds portion of the de-
spatch ; but with that exception, he said, the government
;Irbereeratimpared to lay ft on the table. After such a de-
followed by such a decision, he (Sir 0.
Lewis) thought he was justified in maintaining
theamplkity of the whole government in the publication of
the despatek. (Hear, hear.) But even if it could not be
einem that the publication of that dispatch was the deliberate
sot et fire Majesty's government, still it bad come upon the
fable le am metal manner, and by the hands of the official
organ the hones lied been served with official notice, and they
were boned to receive the despatch as an official set. Such
being the ease, he thought the house was bound to let the
people of India and the peoples of Europe know what wee
Ipts.c/tiniontionresprtit the anneutozdof 7;adteiieand the
hoer
actually acquiesced in the sending of the. despatch to India,
they would Incur a grave respoibility and week! Moms
parties themselves to all that was objectionable in that de-
spatch. Nay, more, be thought ft would be most injurious
to the people of Cade themselves if the house did not express
its disapprobation of this despatch in the meat unequivocal
manner. ((Hear, bear.)
Mr. WHITESIDE began by noticing the inconsistency
shown by the supporters of a resolution which declared that
the home abstained from giving an opinion upon the policy
of the prociamitice in defending its policy and smarting that
that was the trnspiaionot before the hones and foanda,
non of the whole . He observed that, although
the publiestits the opinion of the government on the'
su4set et she ploy sanitized In the proclamation bad been'
made the dthieeetha of this resolizton, this declaration of
their views bed been distinctly and unequivocally made,
by the Chseedier et the
sti Exchequer, in reply to a quie-
de-:
t.= by Mr E
he ere I, . Pe, on the 23rd of April, the
chewed by rasa et the
nevenseent Rem be risk weld they, a,.•
Rean rood and ensue the present govonreseet P
ilea sesimented upon the want of explanation of the
greelnieliba, and upon the "private letter," which was
sum- seemiel leg, suggeetintit as no explanation bad
yet been .sewed knot Lord Canning that that there might have
ben some stti letter, wi held es the other had
hem the inftsei in which' would have afforded a ma-
terial guide te Ltd Ellinborongh. Referring to the
prochmesies, white he termed an awful one, be me-
traded Ita policy with similar detwenste promnimeed
gablisui.largula of Wellesley sal the Yargule of
end challenged the modesties of any peens-
maks fired by the British govemmeM in which
pike* oeigaty wee not tavola& The ammkt of the
on was disputed; bat the peados was whet the.-
when submitted to the gemmed, eseblbe delft
vollesteott to mass ; and he oentesidial that Ms nenslesse
reimaelka mold be endenteed le he lebeikessil nee
only whist hrge het holism el moll proper-
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dat ha slum Sim to
the qthetlea to es low era a dislisot
end try whether wee eseidemed by,
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testes he the tree play se the isealryoted
lead sever mall* bar ideas sae eta hee waved ewe
the lead elte meows the fag te lad* (Chews.)'
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