The Express.
London, England, 1867-05-01 00:00:00

THE TAILORS' STRIKE',

DEPUTATIONS TO LORD DEBBY AND MR.
DISNABLJ.
1

Two deputations attended yesterday at- the
official residence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
with reference to the Reform Bill. The first repreeented
la Norwich Conservative Association, and was composed of
twelve working men and some other inhabitants. Mr.
Howse, JLP., introduced them. Sir W. Bagge, M.P.,
and Mr. C. S. Read, M.P., were also present. A few
short speeches were made by working men in support of
the government Reform Bill, and each speaker dwelt
especially upon the great confidenee felt by working men
in the conservative ministry as par excellence the friends
of the working man. One speaker seemed rather doubt-
ful as to the one year's residence part of the subject, but
he was willing to leave that, as everything else, to the
generosity of the government. In the course of his reply,
Mr. DISIWILI said—lntroduced by a new govern-
ment in a parliament which was not elected under
their auspices—(heers hear)—(and therefore from the
necessity of things without a majority of our
pledged and habitual supporters in the House of Com-
mons) although there has been an attempt to per-
vert the exigencies of the moment to the purposes of fac-
tion, which have been signally defeated, there is no
question that in the opinion of the majority of the House
of Commons the measure which we have brought forward
*affords a lair and popular solution of the dia.:alie with
which no doubt this question was involved. I need not
tell you that Lord Derby would not have undertaken the
great task in which he has embarked except with the de-
termination, so far as opportunity and energy would
permit him, to earry it to a successful consummation. I
will not anticipate any difficulties in the pre-
sent House of Commons which may not be
surmounted. Os the part of the government,
I shall appeal to that house in the conduct of the bill with
confidence and cordiality. But if by any chance we have
difficulties to contend with which we do not anticipate we
shall not give up the great undertaking which we have
now pledged ourselves to, and I trust that under any cir-
cumstances we shall bring it to a happy conclusion,
because I have confidence in the strength of public
opinion, and in the good sense and energy of the English
people. (Loud cheers.)
After a few words from Mr. ACCUPTUR GOLDS/11D, who
was the conservative candidate at Norwich at the last
, election, the deputation withdrew.

A second deputation was introduced into the
room • few minutes later. It had been appointed by the
meeting of • society called the United Conservative Asso-
ciation, as reported in yesterday's paper. It was said
that 20 different conservative associations were represented.
The deputation was large, and it comprised delegates from
Kidderminster, Leeds, Lewes, King's Lynn, Greenwich,
Preston, St. Leonard's-on-the-Sea, Stockport, Wakefield,
tic. A statement was prepared for Mr. Disraeli giving the
names of the deputation and the places or interests they
represented. In the list was, " London University : R. N.
Fcwler, Home Payne." The following gentlemen were
also present :—Sir H. Edwards, M.P., Sir W. Bagge, M.P.,
Mr. Read, M.P., Mr. Beecroft, M.P., Mr. Hornby, M.P.,
Mr. Fielden, M.P., Mr. Powell, M.P., Mr. Gorst, M.P.,
and Mr. Cox, M.P. Lord Derby was unexpectedly present,
and to him and Mr. Disraeli the deputation was introduced
by Sir W. Beggs, M.P.
Several speeches having been made in laudation of the
government, the Premier, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
and the Reform Bill,
Lord DERBY said, in reply—This deputation was ori-
ginally appointed for the purpose of waiting upon my
right hon. friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to
whom, indeed, such a mark of honour is most justly
due, because upon him has rested the chief labour
of carrying through the measure which had been
agreed upon by the government. His has been the
greatest share of responsibility. Upon him has lain the
greatest pressure of exertion, the soundest discretion, the
best tact in conciliating the various opinions, and endea-
vouring, by conciliatory bearing, but yet • firm adherence
to our principles, to carry through such an assembly as
the House of Commons • measure which involves matters
of no common importance, which affects so vast • variety
of interests, and upon which it is necessary for all parties
mutually to give way for the purpose of effecting the object
we have in view—the settlement of the question at least for
&considerable time. (Cheers. Boil understood that it would
afford satisfaction if I also attended—(loud cheers)—and I
had therefore great pleasure in coming up from the
country, where I have been remaining for a short
time, for the express purpose of meeting this deputa-
tion. I need not say that in the arduous task in
which we are engaged the support of all classes of the
community is essential for the purpose of enabling 11l to
carry through a measure surrounded by no ordinary
difficulties, and in which we have to contend with
no ordinary opposition. (Cheers.) I regret the distinc-
tions drawn last year between the working clue and
other classes of the community. I think it was an
invidious and unnecessary separation, because our
object is not to include so many of this or that class,
but to admit so many of all classes as shall be capable of
intelligently and soundly exercising the political franchise.
(Cheers.) We see all of us working men—(loud cheers)—
some with our brains, some with our tongues, others with
our hands. We have all our duties to perform, and we
are bound to fulfil them to the best of our ability in the
service of our common country. (Cheers.) I must say it
affords me peculiar serialisation, and I am sure it does also
my right hon. colleague, to know how largely conservative
principles are extending amongst those who, hitherto, have
been excluded from the representation, and who have been
regarded, and I believe erroneoualy regarded, as favour-
, able in &great measure to extensive*nd democratic changes.
We desire to extend the basis of our representation. We
do not desire to bring down the foundation upon which
our mixed monarchy rests ; our desire is to bring in as
large • portion of all classes to share in the representation
as can exercise the franchise honestly, intelligently, and
soberly. But how are we to draw the line of distinction ?
That is the great question now pending between us and
those who are in opposition to the bilL I have always
thought it was a mistake in 1832—although I was • party
to it—that the rigid line of 101. was fixed as the sole qua-
lification ; but the gross abuses that prevailed previous
to that time made the representative system • mockery,
and so great was the popular feeling, that the 101. was
accepted se • middle term upon which we might safely
rest, and upon which we have rested for 35 years. But it
is quite clear that the rent a man pays cannot be a test of
his respectability. The 101. is an arbitrary line ; the man
who pays 9/. may fairly say, " What difference is there
between me and him!" and the man who pays IC may say
the same, and so on. (Hear.) Indeed, there is not a
single figure upon which you can put your finger
where you can draw • line between property and poverty,
and between respectability and non-respectability. It is a
false measure upon which to proceed, sad that false
measure is the one which the present opposition are en-
deavouring to uphold. We have thought it much better
to break down that hard and arbitrary line, and try to
take another and • better basis. (Cheers.) We do not,
therefore, look to the value of the house a man
occupies, but to the probable character and
position of the man himself. Now what are the
tests which you would desire to qualify • man
to vote! Temperance, frugality, permanence of tenure,
steadiness of conduct, continuous amount of residence.
(Cheers.) Above all, in claiming the privileges of the fran.
chiae we think a man should be bound to take upon himself
the burdens of the constitution, and to share the rates
which are levied upon all householders. (Cheers.) We
propose to take these two tests. Instead of taking a par-
ticular figure, we propose to take the personal payment of
rates as • guarantee that the man is willing to bear his
share of the State burdens. We ask also for a test of
residence, and why! Because there is a vast amount
of migratory population, who are the least respectable
and the least valuable portion of the community, and
who are the least known to their neighbours, and upon
whom we think It advisable not to confer the franchise.
We, therefore, claim a certain period—be it one year, a
year and a half, or two years—for that is • matter for fair
discussion. (Cheers.) What we consider is that there
should be such an amount of residence as on the one hand
to include all those who may be considered fairly as per-

=anent, rated, howieholding inhabitants, and at the same
time to exclude that mixed and migratory population who
really have no permanent residence anywhere. I will not
venture to enter upon any details of the measure which
is being carried through the House of Commons surely,
slowly ; and I will not say anything upon the question of
compound householders, which is a question that has been
very much discussed. We are very anxious that these
compound householders, as soon as they have the power
of taking upon themselves the liabilities and privileges
of voters, should have every facility afforded them of being
entered upon the register. We propose to place them upon
an entire equality with other householders, subject only
to this condition, that if they are, as they may be, omitted
to be put on the rate-book by the overseers, they must
claim to be inserted and pay the rates. (Cheers.) I can-
not for the life of ins see that there is any hardship, or as
the late Chancellor of the Exchequer said, any " fine " in
that'proposal. (A voice, " Quite ridiculous.") It is, per.
haps, a minor question, but we are very desirous with re-
gard to the counties gradually to multiply the number of
polling places. We have done this to avoid the necessity
of bringing voters from a diatanoe, which has hitherto been
a fertile source of bribery. (Cheers.) We think great ad-
vantage might also be gained by the introduction of voting
papets ; that it would be a great protection to the sick,
weak, timid, and the infirm ; that it will enable men to
exercise their rights without being exposed to the terrors
and the abuses of a riotous mob. At the same time, we
have taken stringent precautions against all possibility of
fraud, which of course would be a legitimate objection.
I will not further detain you than to express upon
my own part and that of my colleagues the grati-
fication we feel that the feeling of the country is
arousing itself ; that it is looking at this measure with
the same eye em the government, as an honest and a
bond Jide attempt to settle the question. (Loud cheers.)
It will more largely extend the franchise, I believe, than
any measure ever proposed to parliament, without running
the risk of enfranchising a class which is utterly unworthy
and incompetent to exercise the important function of the
constitution. (Cheers.) I can immure you by meetings
like the present and by such associations as those the
muse of her Majesty's government will be greatly facili-
tated, and their powers of action greatly increased.
(Cheers.) I have only now to express the gratitude we feel
for the confidence you have been pleased to express in her
Majesty's Ministers. The noble earl resumed his seat amid
enthusiastic cheering.

Mr. DISRAELI also replied, being, like his chief, received
with loud cheering. He said—My noble friend has ex-
pressed my views and feelings on the present occasion so
completely that it really is surplusage in me to presume to
add a few words. I only do so that you may not suppose I
am deficient in the feeling of gratitude for this expression
of your sympathy to-day. There is no doubt that in the
difficult and trying circumstances in which any government
that undertakes • large measure of national interest
like that in which we are embarked are placed
the sympathy and support of their fellow-countrymen are
of inestimable value. Lord Derby has touched upon the
principal features of the great measure which, under his
sanction, and mainly by his advice, has been offered to the
consideration of parliament. We have had very extraor-
dinary accusations made against our measure. Sometimes
it is described as a measure of so limited • character that
it is a mere mockery, and then it is denounced in other
places and to other assemblies as of • very revolutionary
tendency. (laughter.) The truth is it really is a mea-
sure which has no claim wh►tever to the merit or demerit
of being one of any very great change, been,*tn tl.e prin.
cipel feature which now so much interests the
attention of this country—namely, the borough fran-
chise—it is only the revival of the ancient
borough franchise adapted to the larger circumstances
of the age in which we live, to present it to the country in
a manner free from those imputations which were, per-
haps with some justice, brought against it, and which did
not originate in this principle, bat from the obsolete cir-
cumstances with which it had become invested in the
course of time. It is the franchise which was exercised
by your fathers and forefathers for generations, which
when it was first introduced gave great satisfaction, and
under which certainly this country has greatly flourished.
The excellence of that franchise, in my opinion, is its
essentially expensive character, because while it meets
the demands of the present moment, it prepares for future
generations the political position which they ought to occupy
in the constitution. I sh.re in the belief of
my noble colleague, that notwithstanding the dif-
ficulties we have encountered, this measure will soon
become the law of the land. (Cheers.) I am
bound to say myself that notwithstanding the difficulties
we as • new government have had to bear, there is on
the part of the majority of the House of Commons a spirit
of fairness with regard to this measure, and a determina-
tion to carry a satisfactory law into action, notwithstand-
ing any party connexions which may originally have tram-
melled them. There is no doubt that, perverting to the
purposes of faction a great emergency, thee* was an effort
to defeat the bill. This the good sense of the House of
Commons defeated with, I think, the sanction of the high
spirit of the country. (Cheers.) I have myself • lively
coaviation that there is • sincere determination on the

part of the House of Common to carry this measure into
effect. I for one shall appeal to them with confidence
and with cordiality. No doubt I shall receive •
great deal of resistance yet. That we may infer
from the number of letters that are written. I always
observe that when a party takes to letter writing it is to
difficulties. (Loud laughter.) We had some expressions
of opinion from one of the deputation who same from
I.eeda, and they were of a very encouraging description,
as compared with • very long letter I read this morning
written by another Leeds gentleman. (Cheers.) We
must not be discouraged by these ebullitions. (Cheers.)
I myself indulge in the belief that the bill will be carried
by the House of Commons, and I am only speaking the
feelings of Lord Derby when I say that no partial defeat
will induce him to withhold his efforts in attempting to
consolidate the great work he has undertaken, and he will
not rest in his labours while • chance remains of adding
an act to the legislation of this country which we believe
to be neaeo•ry to the happiness of the people and the
greatness of t • empire. (Loud cheers.)
There were no other speeches.

MURDER AND ATTEMPTED SUlClDE.—Yesterday
afternoon • shocking occurrence took place at Lembeth.
A very respectable mechanic. named Belcher, has resided
for Mlle short time at No. 26, Royal street, near Astley's
Theatre, with hia wife Elizabeth, aged 28 years, and •
child, • boy, aged four months. Since the birth of the
child the mother has suffered from illness, and as fear.
were entertained that she would be attacked with puerreral
mania it had been deemed necessary to keep • watch upon
her actions. Of late, however, she had appeared so much
better that her friends' alarms were appeased, and it was
expected that she would soon perfectly recover her health.
During yesterday morning there was nothing observed in
her behaviour to create alarm, but on the return of
her husband, at about a quarter to six o'clock, he
found the unhappy woman and the child lying on the bed
in a pool of blood. The child had evidently been dead for
some time, but the mother was still alive. Both had
severe wounds in the throat, evidently inflicted with a
razor which was found close at hand. On a table in the
room several scraps of paper were found smeared with
blood, upon which there was some almost illesiblerwrit,
ins in the woman's band, to the effect that she had killed
her child and was going to follow him. As soon as Mr.
Goff, the surgeon who was called in, had dressed the poor
woman's wounds, she was takeu in a cab to Westminster
Hospital. Her injuries are of such • nature that little
hopes are entertained of her recovery.
ALLEGED ASSAULT BY A GAMES ELPEIL —At
Chesterfield, on Monday afternoon, an old man named
Clarke was walking across a field with • greyhound dog
when be was stopped by • gamekeeper named Kiddy, who
charged him with poaching, and took him into custody.
Some time after the gamekeeper brought the man in
• cart to the Chesterfield and North Derbyshire Hos-
pital, bis aged prisoner being perfectly unconscious,
and labouring either under concussion of the brain or
' apoplexy. There was an ugly bruise on his forehead,
and the wife of the unfortunate man charges the game-
keeper with having knocked the old man down. An im-
mense crowd followed the cart to the hospital, who would
have seriously maltreated the keeper if he had not been
protected; as it was they hooted and yelled and denounced
the keeper as a murderer. Up to yesterday noon the old
man was totally insensible, and it was the opinion of the
surgeons that lie would die whilst in that state, and would
not become conscious at all. The keeper in under police
surveillance, and • magistrate will examine the dying man
if he should become sensible. The wife saserta that she
can produce two witnesses who saw the keeper knock the
old man down, whilst the keeper denies doing so, and say'
the old man fell down himaeN. Cheat interest is felt in
the case, and the hospital was almost besieged by the i
infuriated crowd.

Each succeeding day adds to the bitterness of
feeling existing between the master and journeymen
tailors, which has been much increased by circumstances
whish took place yesterday. It appears that on Easter
Tuesday, the second day of the strike, five of the employers
whose shops had been struck conceded the claims of the
men. The committee at ones instructed the men to
resume work in those shops, and they went on working up
to yesterday, when notice was given them that the con-
cession was withdrawn, and the men were locked out
upon their declining to continue working under the old
lug. Hems. Hill and Pearce, of Conduit-street, whose
shop had not been struck, had ten men working for them,
of whom four were members of the union and ifs non-
unionists. Yesterday morning Mr. Hill entered the shop,
and asked if any of the men were members of the union.
On the fear men replying that they were, he at ones told
them be should have no further occasion for their services
after they had finished the work they had in hand. On
the six non-unionists hearing this they at once left the
shop, proceeded to the society house, and enrolled them-
selves as members of the union, and on their return in-
formed their employer that he could now treat them all
alike.

A special meeting of the in and out workers in the
tailoring trade was Uld at Birmingham on Monday even-
ing. The chairman read letters received from the execu-
tive committees at Leaden, Manchester, and Paris is
reference to the present state of the trade in the metro-
polis. It was stated that the trade of Paris had determined
within the last week to join the amalgamated society of
Bogland ; also that great efforts were being made through-
out the provisoes of Frame and in Germany to mare ea
amalgamation of the trade. Mr. Warren, in moving the
first resolution, urged the necemeity of union. iumording
to his view, the only true basis for a settlement of the dis-
pute between the employers and workmen was the adop-
tion of a general time log for the whole country.
He moved reeolutions, which were adopted, pledging the
meeting to support the men in London now out on strike,
and to maintain the provisions of the log presented twelve
months ago, and jointly agreed upon between masters and
men as calculated to do away with the dissatisfaction that
frequentlz Arises between matters and men. The speaker
maid that to justice to those masters who paid to the pro-
sent " log" the workmen were in duty bound to see that it
was carried out universally. It was also resolved that the
out-door workers be summoned before the committee in
order to ascertain their respective prices, that a uniform
price for both in and out door workers may be adopted.

THE ATTEMPTED MURDER .47 BUCKHURST•

HILL..

At Waltham Abbey police-court yesterday,
1
Dr. Horne deposed—l reside in the parish of Chigwell.
On the morning of the 24th of April—Wednesday morning
(the ter it occurred)—at 6.30, I was called by
the father,Thomaa Griggs, and was escorted by two police-
men to his house. I went upstairs, saw the girl lying en
the bed partly undressed. Her clothes had evidently
been changed. I proceeded to examine her, and fauna
that she was covered with blood, and on washing that
away discovered • number of wounds across the upper
part of thebeck, onthe breast, the hand, and also two upon
the head. The wounds upon the head I have no hesitation
in saying were caused by some blunt instnunent—those en
the body by a pointed one. I found thirteen wounds in all,
eleven on the body and two on the head. Out of one
of the wounds in the back I took the bottom of the
sheath a piece of brass) belonging to a dagger which,
upon inquiry, we find to have been made by the prisoner
himself on account of the number of garotters who in-
Jested the neighbourhood in which be resided. It was
made out of an old bayonet, the handle being one that
had been previously used for an umbrella. I believe the
wound to have been done by such en instrument. The
marks on it were meet decidedly blood stain., and I am
of opinion that the ocatusions on the bead were caused by
the force with which the piece of lead had been used.
(The lead was here produced.) It had originally been
hastened to about half • yard of cord, from which it
was detached, we pregame, by the violence with which
the blows were struck. After the examination did not
consider the girl was in immediate danger. Doubtless if
the prisoner was remanded she would be able to attend at
the next sitting.
Cross-examined by Mr. Abrams—Had she fallen on any-
thing blunt—for instance, • stone—it undoubtedly would
hare produced the sane effect. Amongst the eleven
wounds, should say two at least were dangerous ; the
others dededly penetrated the body. She is progressing
favourably, and likely to recover.
Mr. Abrams, at the request of the friends of the
prisoner, and after the medical testimony, inquired if bail
—substantial bail—might be taken. The answer was •
most decided negative.
The court was then adjourned until next Tuesday.

LONDON, BRIGHTON, AND SOUTH COAST RAIL-
wAT.—The adjourned special meeting was held yesterday
at the International Hotel, London-bridge, for the pur-
pose of taking into consideration the bills now pending in
parliament for vesting in the Brighton and South Coast
Company the undertakings of the Surrey and Sussex, the
Chichester and blidhuret, and the West Sussex Junction
Companies, with all their liabilities. Circulars bad been
sent round to the proprietors stating that the meeting
would be held pro forme only, and would be again ad-
journed to the lbth May. Notwithstanding this announce-
ment there was a good attendance of proprietors.
Colonel Barttelot, M.P., was in the chair. The advertise-
ment convening the meeting having been read,
the chairman said that, in accordance with the notice that
had been given, he begged to move that the meeting be
adjourned to Thursday, May 16, at 1 o'clock. He
would simply state that in the few remarks which he had
made at the end of the meeting which took place a fort.
night ago, it seemed to be the general wish and opi-
nion that • epecial general meeting of the company should
be called. That meeting had been called, and be bad also
stated that if it were necessary the present meeting would
be again adjourned. The directors had thought that
course to be advisable, and he therefore begged to move
that the meeting be adjourned accordingly. Mr.
Mackenzie, one of the shareholders had much
pleasure in seconding the motion. He considered
that in the present state of the company's affairs a discus-
sion would lead to no practical result. The hest course
for all those interested in the company was to adjourn the
meeting, and for the shareholders to come fully prepared
to the special meeting to be held on 4th May, to discuss
every matter connected with the position and ',Teepees of
the company. Mr. Goes, a member of the committee of
investigation, said that, in the absence of Sir Charles
Jackson, they would permit him to say that the commit.
tee had heard the prop cal of the directors, and were of
opinion, looking at the position of the company, and all
the circumstances of the case, that it weal.' be advsable
to adjourn the meeting, and, indeed, this understanding
having been come to, it must be obvious to the proprietors
that the best course was to adopt the resolution moved by
the chairman. The motion for the adjournment of the
meeting was than put, and carried unanimously.
LONDoN, CHATHAM, AND 11OVElt RAILWAY.—
The adjourned half•yearly meeting was held yesterday at
the Victoria Station, Pimlico, Lord Harris in the chair.
The chairman said that since the former meeting an ad-
vertisement had appeared in the newspapers to the effect
that the bill introduced into parliament by the directors
had been delayed by the Easter recess, and it was proposed
that the present meeting should be adjourned till the 17th
of June, when it was expected the bill would have been
dealt wi hby parliament. He accordingly moved a resolu-
tion adjourning the meeting to the date proposed. Mr.
Hartridge said that under the circumstances referred to
by the noble chairman he would second the motion, as he
believed it would be better to concur in that iirmaoition. In
the course of • Meg discussion Mr. Briatowe expressed a hope
that the chairman would give the shareholders some in-
formation as to the directors' views on their hill and upon
the other bills, and also wanted to know if the Wharn-
cliffe meeting in reference to the directors' bill would he
held before the Adjourned half-yearly nice ing. Mr. Bax-
ter, the solicitor, said in reply the hoard
had no intention of bolding the Where-
cliffe meeting before the half-yearly meeting.
Mr. Knight said the expenses of the parliamentary pro-
ceedings would be enormous—in fact they would, in his
opinion, amount to nearly 80,000/. A shareholder wanted
to know if the directors had received the arrears of interest
guaranteed by Sir Morton Pewon B and C stock of the
eepolitan Extension. In reply, it was stated that the
directors had not received any money on account, as Sir
Morton Pete had repudiated his liability, ar.l the question
was now in grata quo. Mr. Turner said the interests of all
parties concerned in the company hail been looked after
by the various committees ; and with respect to the liabi-
lities of certain persona on share contracts, on which about
six millions sterling were due, said it was a question which
would puzzle the directors. Mr. Knight wished to know
if there was any absolute necessity for the million and a
half which was proposed to be raised by the Directors'
Bill. The Chairman replied they took power to raise that
amount, but it was impossible to tell if the whole of it
would be required. If it was found they did not want the
whole of it they would not, of comae, note the full
amount. The motion for the adjournment of the meeting
was carried unanimously, and the proceedings termi-
nated.

CRYSTAL PALACE. —The new season commences
this day with • great choral conceit, by five thousand
voices of the metropolitan schools, under the conductor.
ship of Mr. G. W. Martin. The concert will commence
at three o'clock, and the programme will comprise
eborweee, part songs, madrigals, lex. The terrace foun-
tains will be played, for the Ent time, at two o'clock.
Mr. Carlyle, who went to Mentone, Italy, last
year for the good of his health, has, we are sorry to nay,
returned to England very little besotted by the shafts.

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