The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

BOMB OF LORD& -THITUDAT' Atrousr 9.
The Lon) CHMICELLOR took his seat on the wooheck at
five o'clock.

The Archbishop of You[ took the oaths and his seat.
EUROPEAN FORCEB (INDIA) BILL.
This bill was brought up from the Commons, and laid
upon their loreh' table.
The Earl of EL BOROUGH thought the measure
tisalresely• at any prospect we might have of retaining
India, sad he should, therefore, feel called upon to oppose
it—he was afraid, a hopeless opposition. In the mean
time, there were one or two points to which he desired to
call the attention of the noble duke. In the first place, be
wished to know if he was correct in supposing that on the
rippointment of an officer to what was led the staff corps
he would vacate his commission in her Majesty's service!
The Duke of ARGYLL was understood to answer in the
affirmative.

The tlirl of ELLENBOROVGH—Then as the bill stood
the thing was imposeible. The power of raising a certain
amount of load tome which was formerly possessed by the
government was taken away by this bill, awl of coons the
power of raising officers equally with that of raising men.
If, therefore, an officer in her Majesty's service vacated
his commission it would become as illegal for the govern-
ment in India to transfer him to an appointment of a purely
load character as it would lw for the Secretary of State. It
appeared to him (the noble earl) that it would be far better
to allow officers on their appointment to the staff corps to
retain their commissions, bemuse by so doing they would
avoid the difficulty be had indicated ; and d the officer
proved unlit for the poet it would be competent to place
him again at the disposal of the Commander-in-Chief. It
aLso appeared to him (the noble earl) a groat question
whether the bill would not extinguish the whole local arniv
of India as well as the European portion of it, because it
repealed the power under which that local army was
raised.

The Duke of ARGYLL said the two points to which the
noble earl had directed him attention should receive due
comshlerat ion ; and of course, if it were toms' necessery.• Pro-
viso would have to be inserted in committee. At the Name
t low it appeared Whim that as the appAutmenta to staff corps
would be made in India, there was nothing in the bill to
render them illegal.
The Earl of kj,LENBOROUGH—But " quad tacit per
alium tacit per se." The Governor-General could only act
by the authority given him by the Queen, and the
app..iutmenta which he might make to the staff corps
would be as much the act of the government at home as
if they were made by the Secretary of State.
The bill was then read a first time.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT (ISMS AMENDMENT
BILL
This bill was read a third time.
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Lord REDESDALE pointed out that certain clauses gave
power to local bodice to go beyond the limit■ of their juris-
diction for the purpose of discharging their sewers ; and
urged their lordships not to give facilities for the gradual
pollution of all the strosirus in the country by turning into
them the sewage of large towns.
Lord WODEHOI.ISI: moved • proviso to prevent the
mosey clauses of the bill having ► retrospective effect.
After some conversation, this was agreed to, and the bill
pared•

TRAMWAYS (IRELAND) BILL.
The report of amendment& on this Lill was brought upand
agreed to.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE moved the resolution of urgency with
regard to thin bill, that the standing orders might be sus-
peinl.l in order that the bill be mad a second time.
A long discussion ensued, in which Lord Chichester, the
Bishop of London, Lord Stanley of Alderley, end Lord
Derby participated, the principal subject of debate being as
to the powers of the eaclesiaatteal commissioners to aug-
ment salaries, with particular reference to the me e of the
recently increased stipend of the Dean of York. Ulti-
mately the bill was read a second time.
RIFLE VOLUNTEER CORPS BILL.

This bill gamed through committee.
INDUSTRIAL NWSEUNIS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill wee read a third time and pissed.
TENURE AND IXPROVEIiF.NT OF LAND (IRE-
LAND) BILL.
After some conversation the above bill pissed.
GUNPOWDER, be., BILL.
This bill was reed a *scowl time.
CENSUS BILL.

This biU paled thr-----he;;lnTiite47.
CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
Their lordships adjourned at 20 minutes to 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-THuiumAY, AUOMIT 9.

(Continued front yesterday's 111. tress.)
AUDIT OF CIVIL SERVICE MTIMATES.
Sir (3. C. LEWIS said that as it was admitted that
this resolution was intended to imply no censure upon
the government, be had no objeetion to accede
to it. (Hear, hear.) At the same time, he must
say he thought with regent to the question of the
accounts there was practically scarcely any abuse.
At the same time it must be admitted that the
enact') of keeping them was not quite satisfactory. (Hear.)
Then there was the question of balances, about which the
house felt so much jealousy. He certainly thought that
the method of accounting for these balances was not perfect
—(heard—but the subject wasanestremely difficult one either
to explain or to underetand, and he was not sure whether
he himself perfectly understood it. There was one point on
which some misapprehension seemed to prevail. It must be
borne in mind that there was no money actually at the Ex-
chequer, and none at the Treasu7 ; all the money was at
the bank. Even the prynnroter a table was as hire of sove-
reigns &N the table of the h.oloe, and the 'freroury and the
Pay.ofllee both were compelled to give °nista on the Bank,
which orders must be within the sums voted by the house.
This was the practical check which was placed upon ex•
panditure in all the departments.
Sir J. GRAHAM thought nothing was of greater im-
portance than that there should be an independent con-
current audit of expenditure, and if the government had
opposed the resolution, he (Si, J. Graham) should have
supported it.
The resolution was then weed to.
surPLY.

The house then went intOcOnmiittee of supply.
THE NEW HII)E IN KENNINGTON GARDYYS.
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On the vote of 100,4401. for defraying the expenses of the
parim sad pleasure gardens,
royal
J. SHELLEY said he washed to ask a question as to •
subject which he had brought under the notice of the house
last veer, viz, the cleansing of the Serpentine. He wished
to know whether the works recommended by the
committee, in order to • good supply of clean water
for the Serpentine, would be effected for the sum of 17,000 L,
or whether the right hon. gentleman propose(' to wry them
over till next year, on the chance of getting another vote of
the House of Commons ? He also asked whether It vas in
contemplation to build • summer. house or alcove in order to
put up • noises-engine in the park? and whether all idea
was abandoned of getting clean water for the Serpentine
from the water is St. James's Park ? Then, with regard to
Kensingtre-garlens, he saw there was a vote of 2110 f. for
iron tree guards, and • vote of 7501. for "ditto"
and for lima( ilia railings and fences. He
suspected that this rote had to do with the new ride
which had been made through Kensington-gardens, and he
wished therefore to ask what was proposed to be done with
this 7501. ; and if it related to the new rids he should
move to reduce Use vote by this sum. He also wished to
ask mornething respecting ••sum of 1,5101. for draining land
in Itichimmil•park. Was this to be done by 0041111ket, and
if no, who was the engineer employed ? There was also an
item of 2501. for improving the herbage is the aces park ;
was this to be dime by laying down gesso, or how

or Mr. W. WILLIAM protested agshist' the outlay of
BMW. for Regent's-park, -and the large expenditure Incurred
for Kai-gardens.
Mr. A. SMITH was proeseding to complain ef the way
in which the parks were fenced out by railings into inclo-
mires monolith* sheep-pens, and of the railings inelneing
the awe between the readwsy of Constitution-hill and the
wall of Buckingham Palairegardens ; when
The CHAIRMAN read a standing order, which provides
that the debate most be confined to the subject on whieh a
vide is proposed to be reduced.
Lord JMANNERS said he would assume that the 750/.
had relation to the new ride in Kensingbon-gardens. He
(tweed with the honourable baronet (&r J. Shelley)
late what he had said with regent to the new ride. He gave
the right hon. gentlemen (Mr. Cowper) every credit for the
beet Intentions in forming that ride, but he thought it
afforded a minixuurn of advantage to riders, at great in-
convenience to the Sc. (Hear, bear.) The very name
of gardens sv places for wades', not for riding.
(Rear, hear.) other day he saw a paralytic aid lady 112
a chair being wheeled woes this ride in order te enter the
gardens. The aperture was not wide enough to admit the
carriage, and • ly she remained steel half-way be-
tween the space for sail that for walking, whilst her
attendants removed the railing. (Hear, hear.) He should
mermen the motion for reduction of the vote.
Mr. YALJNit said he had been in the habit of frequent-
leg tbe park as an equestrian for many years' and he also
frequently walked in Kensington-gardens. He admitted
that she new ride had some antitire in affeedisi shade
to the equestrians—(mar, hear)—but the questing was at
whale exppssoolese was this advantage attained"! (Hear, hear.)
The to which he had arrived were, trot, that the
this wee way tittle worth having ; and, seeendly,
that it was nut worth having at at the
violation of the feelings of • great
itni :ellen of the
pia Oa, eh* lie __ than Ma. ow:
Oman who were advocates of pip suffrage should be
found to trifle with public feeling. (" Oh, oh," and
laughter.) He had conversed with many persons on the
I subject, and although he found some young ladies and
others who were fond of the new ride—(laughter)—yet the
verdict of the majority was entirely opposed to it.
Mr. OOWPRR said that the 750/. was to be devoted to
three parpoaea ; first, to removing the remaining part of the
wall of Kensingten-ganlens, and fixing an iron railing in ,
its place; secondly, to making a new gateway; and '
thirdly, as to 2501., to provide hurdles for the tempo cry
fence of the new ride in Kensington-gardens. (Hear, hear.) I
As to the latter he denied, as had been said, that a garden I
was always alden, and a pork a park. (" Hear, hear," ,
and laughter.) The fact was that Kensington.ganlens
though called • garden, resembled a park. It had park
memory, sheep grazed there, and there were avenues well
adapted for bone exercise, provided it did not interfere
I with public convenience. In conformity, therefore with •
widely expressed wish—(hear, hear)—he had consented to
the formation of a reed, whereby riders 'night be allowed
the enjoyment of seeing the beauties of Keniungton-gaidens
- (a laugh)—and the roast was placed at the far western
end of the gardens as as not to interfere with
those who wished to walk in the flower garden. Several ap-
plications had been nutlet.° him on behalf of time', who mid
they preferred quiet and retirement to crowd and bustle.
(Hear, hear.) But he must say he thought privacy rather •
streege thiug to be required in • public garden. (Hear,
hear.) Besides there were abundant placee, removed from
this ride, where those who took walking exercise might be
undisturbed But it had been attempted to snake this •
question not merely between lovers of solitude and the
public, but between the higher and the lower daises. (Hear,
hear.) Nothing could be more unjust, for it so happened
that the only time at which working men could use the
garden was • time when it was not frequented by riders,
until on Sunday no one on horseback was allowed to enter
the ride. In fact, it was closed on Sunday. (Hear, hear.)
But a large and factitious interest had been given to the
subject in cousequeuee of its having been taken up by five
of the metropolitan vestries. (Hear, heir.) These gentle-
men tied talked of prosecuting Lord Llanover ; they had
I threatened to make his (Mr. Cowpees) place too hot to hold
laugh)--hut when theme gentlemen came to pass
resolutions as to how the parks should be laid out and
ornamented, he thought it was high time to pause and ask
whether they had the power of carrying out their resolu-
tions. (Hear, hear.) He thought the opinion et the
mejority would be found in favour of the ride, not merely
of the her classes, but of all others.
Sir J. SHELLEY then withdrew his motion, and moved
to reduce the vote by 2501.
Mr. A. MlLLS—(amidst cries of " Divide ")—maid he
hoped right hon. gentleman would not yield to agi-
tation(Hear, bear.) He thought that the right hon.
gentleman's card of "no invasion of the House of Corn-
mani," was at least as good as the noble lord's (Lord J.
Manners) "no invasion of the public rights."
Mr. H. SEYMOUR said he thought the "British
public" who opposed this sn-relied invasion of Kensington-
gardens might be compared to the three tailors of Tooley-
raetwho talked about representing the British nation.
vlde.)
Mr. J. LOCKE, as representing the other idtle of the
water, and thus being able to give an unbiassed opinion,
certainly thought that no very treruendous infringement of
the public comfort was being made by the ride. He wished
to know whether this very Marylettine vestry did not pro-
prise that • carriage road should be made right amiss Rotten-
row? (Hear, hear.)
General PEEL mid that as one of the great body of eques-
trians he could not agree in the view of his noble friend
(Lord J. Manners) and his hon. and learned friend (Mr.
Mabee).
The committee then divided, and the numbers were :
For Sir J. Shelley's motion 4B
Against it
The motion was therefore lost.

i;47.ll2.sigiliTepsieithe question respecting the
B.l7tine.
COWPER said the works would all be included
within the 17,0001., without the necessity of a further
vote. (Hear.)
Mr. B. 000HRANE suggested that great public conve-
nience would arise from throwing open Storey's-gate to
equestrians.
Colonel DUNNE was calling attention to the injustice .4
throwing the eat d the local improvement of the parka
upon the public expenditure, when
The disclamation was brought to a close by efflux of time,
and

The committee adjourned at tea minutes to four.
The house resumed at 8 o'clock.
FINANCES OF INDIA.

Sir C. WOOD gave notice to move, on Monday, in com-
mittee of the whole bonne, to enable the klecretary of State
for India to raise a sum not exceeding three wilhotas fur the
service of the Indian government.
Sir C. WOOD then moved that on Monday the house
should resolve itself into committee to consider the exile•
dieucy of rising that amount. --Agreed to.