The Express.
London, England, 1860-02-28 00:00:00

POLICY OPTHZ GOVARNMENTINCHINA.

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Lard 1121.1110 Y wind the Chenssille at the Exchequer
whether be had say istentlea of altering the meting
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dto by his budget üblic homes exatertber than whet he
propose
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Tls CILIIIIICkLLOS of the EXCHEQUER aid several
pews ago • smodeles of that hoar bed set epee the sett*t
of pub& lees" the sir of which was to Isms ea gustioa
ors Is isrepades at ism Wide, emessem big hum-
eral ea ths salArek Thu emeramer bad no fatalities of
rnfis •hr Is dad arla Warriset at large; bat ha
that W ereelkor vograists the We of hooon
to be dark ea the psellben MOO to the governor ;
bet be am& if tbs Maredo,Ml Ur proposal of tha go-
vernor*, sirs pre might bo arraesod se to boessiag the
isle al wino of oollog-bous vain proper murder. That
word be • vim with rapid
so the
mwal lied sushi w=otilsitaisisry. It wadi ires
row liar moo Wore the aapsebrat could be 1, tested.
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CHINCELLOR el the EXCHEQUER said the
wevorearat bed so Weals is thel with the Ede of any
4sar to be think es the preeebos, oseept wise.

ZXPORT OF COAL.
Mr. MORSMAN salted the wry for Foreign Affairs
if it wee correct that an inalmation bad been made on the
pert of the Fret& goreninist that they did not wish to in-
sist upon the retention of the llth article 01 the treaty, re-
lating to the report of coal

Lord J. It t. isaLL said *bow Ilejeety's government had
mired a communication on the imbject from the French
=est, not exactly to IM 1011 Ct stated by the hon. gen-
but to the cif/et that If that. was • very 'Wog desire
on the part of the &WWI government on the subject, the
French government might be dispeaccl to modify the tariff.
In reply to that oonamtinication, bur Msjoety's government
hod given a very pmdtive =ewer, that they did not wish to
propose any attendee.

CUSTOMS ACTS.
The house having into committee on the order of the
dav on the CIIMOMII Mr. Madalti in the chair,
The CRANCELLO of the EXCHEQUER said he
rose for the purpose of submitting to the committee
the resoluti.n in respect to the wine duller, which
flood second upon the lot. The first part of the re-
volution he had to place in the hands of the chair-
man declared that the wine duty should immediately fall
from ie. 9d. • gallon. to 3e. • gallon, and the next allowed
• drawback on exportation up to the 31st of March, 1861 ;
the thin gave • drawback to dealers in wine who had com-
plied with the provisions of the minute of the Treasury,
dated the 24th Jaly, 1843, and after that came the closing
part of the reenution, which provided for •
further fell of the wine duty et a later date,
and • honer drawback acoording to the differesee
between 3.e. a galls and the sum at which the new duties
might be tinily end. In reading the resolution he should
propose that the chairman should mop at the firures 2s. 9d.
pea gallon, which were Immediately before the scale prescrib-
fug the alcoholic teat. The effect of that would be to put
before the commit tee the arrangement which was to take
' place immediately, and to postpone for farther consideration
that which related to the final fall of the duties. An opinion
might exist that whatever change should take i
place in the
Aa:
orate duties shoald be entire end at roe. The toot
were aware that there were various questions of oe
onsected with the course of trade which best
served by en arrangement of that kind. To traders, no
&WM it would have been convener that the
Osage should have been complete and Immediate;
but the objections to that noon were greater than its
recornmealetiona. The brat objection was one of revenue,
and he thought to make the cheap so great by a single
stroke would tan on the revenue a lose in the bet We're',
and for a link/time very mach more lesions thee it would
have to bear rourellag to the plan proposed by the 'orna-
ment. But besides that, he confeseed he did not think he
could vesture upon so hazardous an experiment with • due
regard to the norm of the consumers. (Hear, hew.) They
must mann what was the state of the stock of wine 1s this
country. There had been no Dodos gives to 'sable the
grower and the manufactures of wine abroad to make any
P les whatever for this thane. They had had no
n=antkiatere of the probability of the English market
beteg opened to then till within the last bef weer, and
though the stooks la thia country were enticient for Unclogs
nevermore, the govanzonat did sot think they were more
than eafileinet—try were certainly not officio& kw the full
and enure reduction of the duty, 'thin the plea of the
goverment ultimately oostemplated, and the chop it
would actually peeler. The coetiontal grower might be
able to make emus. additionl exportation this year, bat In all
probability that addran would not be a large one. It might
be doubted whether the period he had fixed tor the seemed re-
donee was the proper on, bat at present it seemed clear to
him that a moderns tart al should be allowed between the
beet and tin.l fail. Those were the various points on which
he bad thought it semseary to comment, and he would now
Leg leave to move as the first resolution—" That In lien of
the drake sad drawbacks of customs now charged and
allowed on the anannenuoned articles, the following duties
shall be charged then= me importation into the United
Kingdom, viz., WWI the 31st March, 1861, Molotlive : Wine
of sad from tonna conatriee—red, the gallon, 3a.; white,
the gallon, 3.. ; leas of such wine, 3s. • with an allowance
for drawback oa exported= until the said Ilse March, 1161,
incluive of Is. per gnus on such wise exported or used as
.hip's stona, but that so drawback be granted on lees of
wins, and with an allowance of drawback to Ikeased denims
on wine who have complied with the provision of the minutia
of the Leda of the Treasury dated the 7th July, 1843, se to
tin foreign wine which they have had in stock co the Feb.,
1860, on the coediting or the said minute at the rate of
2..
fiedister gallon." The resolution having been reed from
the
Mr. H,AAILLIE said before It was agreed to he hoped that
more satisfactory inforn.ation wend be gives to the commit-
tee by the right hon. 'soleness' to the nine by which he
beended to 'apply the definer, be the revenue. In making
that queen= he neared the right hos. gentleman that be
sad those who sat on that aide of the hones had no objection
he thorniness or redo, in n excise denim, and the en-
cestegemest of trade ; but than was a time for all things, and
they thought that when there wee • large and admited deb.
many I. the Exchequer this we, sot the ['toper time to
make each hoodoo experimente as those roped by the
Chaacelkir of the Exchequer.
Mr. CRAWFORD nee to express his belief that the al-
c Aeolic met by mesas of which the wine duties were proposed
to be collected would be feud entirely unsuited to the pur-
pose. It would dread on the skill el the manipulation, the
rowan of the instruments, and eves the state of the et-
re, and one gagger might ninth a wine at
17.7rthe once duty in Linos, while' another might pat
it at Is. in Liverpool, the first representing it 15 and the
neesd only 14 degrees of strewth. Cluablattion had been
fond to fs 1 in tea, and a uniform duty wee establinted ; an
is the car of sugar the question yea • constant acorn of
dispute bet Ner,en the Cuettons sad consignee.. With reopen
to the drawback, the dealer. understood that they were to
receive a drawback of 2.. 9,1. per gallon on all wren in
stock, provided they complied with the Treasury minute of
July, 1842, but they complained that when the let al April,
1861 arrived they would be deprived of their tight by the
operation of a sahargoant oniante.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished that
the point Wined to by his hos. friend alight be resumed.
Mr. CRAWFORD was reined to receive Ibis intimation,
and trusted that the hesitation which it evinced on the part
of his right hos. friend had seises from what he had heard
Entry frees the deputation.
&r S. NORTHCOIE said, with reference to the drawback,
that the dealers were prepared to abide by the minute, but
they complained of ill ambiguity. They believed that the
minute ite 1143 wee to • ceneirreble tuna revoked by the
subsequent re of 1862.
TO CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
that the misses el 1862 wily revived that et 1843, and the
one hat Weed was emit to every dealer I. the erne. The
order of 1843 err revived by that of 1832, et the request of
the made.

BENTINCK was afraid that the result of the
peopodtioa ot the Chancellor ot the Exittquer would be to
the practice of adulteration of Minas upon •
greater male old the continent. Ile only hoped the
malts of the budget would be thoroughly mid...good
t the ematry, and that the labounag popolawn
trZiarlast tee who Imo their teal trieside. (Cheers.) n•
costar:led the budget wee flotilla( but a sequel to the pro-
ceedings of the hos. meadow for Birmingham end Ida brads,
who in 1846 esceskel is paring Lasseter' extreu,e4
bereficial to themselves under the dieguiee of • wish to
breath the whole mass of the population.
Mr. CROSSLEY had been very much pleased by the
statement mad* by the Chancellor of the Eachequer with
regard to the reduction of the wine duties. lie thought Ms
right hon. gentleman bed clearly shown that snob a mar
sure would improve dir. rtly the position of the middle class.
of the country, aod eventually the position of the leheuriag
P°gir ;317070.0raliatanst enter his protest against the pro-
position oldie right hue. genilernan in reference t • the re-
duction of the wine duties. He believed that the genera
opinion of the trade wee that there should be one untiurw
duty upon all wino* whatever their quality.
Mr. B. WOODD trusted the committee would be of
opinion that the words of the ,olante Gould not bear say
other meaning then that the trade had a claim for drawbacks
upon all wines enswering the description In the orders, pro-
vided they had an equal quantity In stock at the time.
Mr. M. MI LEES asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
whether ha had my objectioa to insert after the wurda
" 7a. 93. par ' " or by such other proms which may
pogo siaMortly to the Comallosiucets of Inland &-
MU that such Mock has been acquired lefure the let of
Fointery, 1860." Be would only add that the right boo.
goatisaima would tarnish his sehasis if he acted temente any
body ef M Wonted by it harshly or unjustly.
Mr. CAYLEY hoped that the Chsnosllor ef the Eater
qua would take tato coneidevatice the raeotainsadalines
wake bad ban mate to hint. (Rear, Mar.) The has.
standar was tam autiarstaod to say that ow bon, memberfur Derby (Mr. Um) bad received an ievitatioa from a.
Emperor the Fritsch to sesiblish • brewery in Preece fir
per sic Hs (Ids. Cayley) thought that English wait liquors
• milli to be itaatttod into Thass at • rots of duty propos-

t *lab to that ma wen to charge as wises Imported from
that oottaby.
JOMIISTONE said that the dudes on Ertglieh beer
hapieted late Frame, 'Wag enrage prima, were about aloha-
hat to the duties at French wino 'capita:l.lot° linfrts,
amelyi *cat oae-barth to aae-thlt et the value.
amid limo to be earespeollag redulion of the dudes ea
ear bar.

The CiXOCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, as to the
I=aawhich mimed to the dudes on English beer la
sold that It hod been masthead to the Brigadier/re
to Peas, and it was not found practicable to obtain any sr.
tenement on the sateen. he peat ef tag we shauld4heiska
the wine dieing were MUM m thee sew intim, as
high a duty as Free& wines se was levied there ea
tear. TM they on mit in the shape of a manufactured
&Meta, namely beer would be only 16 per cent., while that
am wins mead he hies 60 to 100 per cent. As to the draw-
backs, he denied their justice generally, and that which was
now propelled wee only for • limited period. lb. Ifilass's
proposition wont to throwing over all distinction between
customs and smiseable agitations with regard to wise.
There wee no OM hr a return of alarthing of duty ; and the
wine trade was perfeeliy satisfied with the prospects before it.
Mr. MILNES said -the he thought the wine dealers bad
established a very semi case, end If he saw that the feeling
of omminittee wee with him, he should take the sense of
the Mee on the gnostic&
Mr. BALL mid that the right hos. gentleman bad not
said garbing in reply to the remarks of his honourable
friend (Mr. Cayley), although so parties bad been so
severely treated as the British malaise and the British farmer.
There was no duty so oppresaive as the duty on malt. They
were roams* taunted by the has. member for Birming-
ham with regard to the principle et proleetkin. He bowed
to the declaim of the house ; bat he held then the mama
principles he always held, and maintained that the prees
held out by the fres-traders had set been realised. They
knew that a cheap lost bad been to the 'Leer, but
did the poor get • cheap loaf r (Hue, beer.) Had not
prices fluctuated more then ever they did, although they
were told that the repeal of the earn laws would produce
seediness of peke. Was the shipping interest pleased with
the repeal of the navigation laws ? The Edda
maltater was tared 50 per ant., end he was besides
subjected to such harsh regulations, that if they were ea-
doled by the manufacturers of Lancashire, the hon. member
for Birmingham would make the roof of the house fly off in
denouncing them. (Laughter.) They were going to allow
the foreigner to introduce barley—to teach him • new
business. The right hon. gentleman should allow the
British former to make malt for his own stack, and time for
the payment of the duty. He had gnat respect for the right
hon. gentleman, but he was sorry that the right hon. gap
Mama had not the slightest nape* far his opinions.
(Laughter.) No person paid the duty on goods in Wad till
he took them out, and the British metier should be dealt
with on that principle.
Mr. BASS feared that the antici of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer as to the aaandad otheemiptlon of cheap
wins would not be fulfilled. He (Mr. Be.) was prepared to
make a great sacrifice la order to amide the Emperor piths
French to induce his sabjeote to adopt hes trade principles;
he thought it as well to subsidise Prance by a treaty of this
kind as in any other way, but he did not think, looking at
the circumstances of the wise trade for the hat two or three
years, that France would derive much benefit from this
treaty. In 1857, after • very good vintage, the preceding
one being • very fair one, Frew* bad imported from Spain
upwards of twelve millions of pikes of wise—nearly twice
as much as we consumed in a year. It followed, therefore,
that at least Spain would able to mad us twelve sake
galloon to Fraacg tras three gallica& Even if the thirty or fifty
millions of gallons which some anticipated were consumed In
this country, the duty, being only about 161. a gallon on the
average, would not amount to more the& 700,0001. or 800,0901.
The comparison of the Chancellor of the Exchequer be-
tween the duties on French wines In this country and the
duty on tusk liquor in Frame was not fair. He had taken
the very lowest class of French wines, which of course
showed • high rate of duty ; aed on the other hand be had
takes • high clues of Engleh beer, which showed • low rate
of duty in proportion. The common ran of her sent to
France wee from 20s. to Ws. the barrel, or about Bd. a
gams ; sad on this the customs duty wee 3d. •
great deal more than 18 per cent. Last year we hadLpetd
between 700,000 and 800,000 gallons of French wine—the
a oast being 10s. 41. a gallon for white, and 9s. 4d. for
red • and the duty on the later was only 10e per omit.
It was said by K. Chevalier that French wise hod no equi-
valent is England ; therefore, the comparison with beer was
obviously unfair. The duty on malt was Med by sad of
parliament at 21s. Mid. per quarter, bat it was more,
owing to the mode in which it wee levied. Last
year he had paid Z2s. 4d. per quaeter en 90,000
quartets, and adding the hop duty, equivalent to le.M.
• quarter more, the amount was 24e. This, upon barley at
33e. the quarter, was •• duty of about 70 per oent. If they
were to have free trade why not take the duty off malt?
Whatever it had been relieved it had 'bows as much elasti-
city as other articles. In 1851 • large additional duty of
L. 6d. • bushel was imposed, with no corresponding advance
of revenue. In 1856, the lc 6d. was taken off, ern leaving
the duty 2s. Bd. the boast ; and In the very feet year them
was an Increase of 30 per cent. in the economies in Eng-
land, and of .50 per neat in Ireland. (Hear, ben.) Why
should not the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if he was for
free trade and at the same time fair trade, give them • chance
of retuning him the revenue by reducing the duty on malt
(Hear, hear.) Were the malt tax reduced one-half, in three
yeast it would yield the same revalue ea now. (Hear, Marl
He (Mr. Bass) was for free trade without an
and ne should like to see it to malt. (Hear.) Ice their surad
from other great brewers, who were all to favour of the duty.
Even the new licensed houses were not to he Mimed for bear,
afavour to the wine trade, sad serest *My to the beer trade.
The adulteration of Willi in this osantry had hese rehired
to ; but he believed there wanes much adulteration in France.
Mr. &vile Lumley stated that during the last five or six
years Spaniel% wines, mixed sad flavoured with other sub-
steam, had teen exported to all parts of the world as the
float wines of the South of France. Sir E. Teeniest said
that in the event of a redaction of the wine duties, our entire
system of taxation would have to be re-arranged—that it
would involve the necessity of • corresponding reduction Is
the duty on brandy—and that then it would be impossible,
consistent with justice, to maintain the duties on British
spirits, and on Scotch and Irish whieky—(leer)—and that
the malt tax moat be got rid of. (11411.) It was most un-
felt. that British spirits, worth le. Bd. • gallon, should pay a
duty of Ba., while the best kinds of French brandy only paid
B.e. 6d. the gallon.
Mr. M. MILNES said he wished to withdraw his first
amendment, and to submit another to the effect tt that .11
who could prove by any other process to the blend Revenue
Commissioners that such stock was acquired and duty laid
thereon within two years before the 10th February, 1840,"
should be allowed &drawback. He thought that would be
only simple justice, and that the amendment would recom-
mend Itself to every hoe. member.
The amendment diving been put from thechalr„
Lord J. RUSSELL said the proposition of his hon. friend
seemed to him one of the loosest he had ever heard. There
were certain rules as to drawbacks, and it was proposed that
whether they had been observed or not, all per-
sons were to be allowed • return of duty. It that
was to be the ease, no person could be expected
hereafter to observe any .condition that the goverament mlurht
mike. The argument of his hoe. hind was this--`t Yon
may have dote wrong in granting a large sum of money to
certain pereas, but as you Mee granted that sum you ought
to grant every other sum that may be milked for." He begged
the ommittes to observe what a lavish expenditure that
would hod to. Nobody could say how much this would
oust, and he usdnetood it would be as least 600,COtli. At any
rate it would lead to greet tom ha the revenue, and there fore
he hoped his hon. friend would nut persist in pressing hie
amendment. (Hear, hear.)
_ _

Bir 8. NORTIICOTE said there wee a distinct regulation
in opersUss,andesthat had been laid down it ought to be na-
tured, and be thought that all parties who had not observed
It had pat themselves out of court, and had no clam what-
ever to any drawback. (lied, hear.)
Alter farther discussion, the committee divided
For the amendment .o
Agatsec It IS3-111
The resolatioa was then agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the MCGREW: ER Intimated
his in.eatioa soaker the next resolution, find, by axing the
date at which the lower duties were to Mlle into operation at
the let of January, 1681; and, secondly, by exteeding the
degrees of alcoholic strength of wine to be admitted as the
rats of Is. per dad from It to 18. The next quality, ad-
roiseibleat 18.8 d., would stand sl2B degrees, and the highest
quality at 40.
The n solution having been put,
Mr. S. FITZGERALD said lb* alterations which the
right hon. genilenien haul resolved on Increased the objet.
thine he felt to the proposal, because as the resolution was
now propueed it was equivalent to • virtual pretsientlal dot
on Frisch wines. Again, if there was mes point upon which
the wise trade were agreed it woo the ituracucability of
carrying oaf the alcoholic test.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER urged that
the German wines would come in In greater quaatiiir under
the lower duty then those of France, many of the wines of
which country were strong, and would come within the
higher duty. Brides., all wines brought In in bottle would
pay 2s. a grim, and not n single gars of the whir of the
l'aulaimals Cline in in that shape: so that France might well
say that there was, in fact, a diffeeentiel duty against her
wines, a greet desel of which came in In bottle. The trade
had sot repreented to him that the alcoholic test was im-
practicable.
tlu 8. NORTHCOTH said be bad seen the proems of
rating the alcoholic strength of wine, end there was nothing
impractioaLle in It, although it was likely, if carried to any
utast, to become cumbrous sad Incouvenleat, He 'eked
whet would be the seer of the &min is the rates now pro-
posed as the tramise
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, on the
whole the reveres would be the goner to a small eaten,.
Alter is reply to Mt. HASIi•ItD and
Hr. Ca•wcs?!..l)._

—TM CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
Cape whim Weald mum in under ibe high duty on string
wines. TM U. duty would b. payable inimeduiteiy slier
tbe remlatim led been reported to tbe home. He thought
it would come late operation to-morrow ('hie day), ea anon
the rawhides WA bees agreed tn.
The resolution was lii.• @greed to.
The Mirth resoluttoe, staining • samba of marine duty
bey wellies proyoad,•ad it wee seggemed that the different
'Akio% 4$ in number, should M takes Raid some objection
wee mode to any oa• of them.
♦ duke wee exprimed by several aeoultero to report
proves.

Mr. NI lIDEA3ATR mid, to amplify the matter, he would
*sot to the first article, " mates end oornedena."
A motion to rert laving teen made,
Lord PALIKERSTPO7:II4 that the damned= as these
reoolutiona should be allowed to go on to-morrow (this day).
It was understood to be so wronged.
Lord J. RUSSELL mid it might be °catmint to the
has. member for Bridgewater (Ur. Kinglales, who was not
In the house) to be informed that the motion of which belied
given notice for next day—namely, one for the production of
and extracts respecting Savoy—would not be objected
to the government.
house resumed.
PACKET SERVICE (TRANSFER OF CONTRACT)
. BILL.
.....

After some discussion, tie-
above bill was read a second
time.
PETITIONS OF RIGHT BILL.

This bill ia;;iii;;;iii Zo;ii;e7"
MEDICAL ACTB AMENDMENT BILL.
—•-

The al;3y;;lllwier;sif ib;;;nitoetta7iivision.
CORONERS (No. 2) BILL.
Mr. COMMIT obtained leave to h-Mg in a bill relating
to the office comm, sad providing for the payment of
°Droners by aolorioo, booked of hoc
The bill was aftworoida Wooed In sad read a Lint time.
Some other bashes@ wee disposod of, and the house ad-
loomed at tea Wawa* to coo.