The Express.
London, England, 1858-02-17 00:00:00

LONDON, VIEDNE3DAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 17, 1858.

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POOR RATES. ,
Mr. WISE bogged to etch the Precedent of the Poor-law
BOW whether he contemplated the introduction dm nem
me to alter the mode of raising the Mae for the mild des
poor ; and whether he would went to the appingmenta la •
remaittee to consider the policy and pond allmi of tbs
mond lane relating to oddment, removal, and presidia
memient

BOUVERIE mid, I do not oontemplate any sock
measeire, or to yak parliament to resort to any suck mama
aa an inquiry into the policy and general seed el the bog
relating to settlement, removal, and parochial sessamnad.
think that subject haa been nearly exhanated by inquiry, an 4
it will not be my duty to consent to the appointment of
committee to madder the general policy of the poor•law.
There is one branch of the law which relates to what are
called the irremoveable poor, who have been resident in a
pariah five years, the act relating to which expires nest
year; and it might be desirable to have an inquiry into the
working of that law during the ten years of its existence, an!
I shall this session more for a committee to inquire into that
subject.

THE ENGLISH PRISONERS AT NAPLES.
Mr. M. MILNES begged to inquire whether the govern-
ment had taken say further maps the detail=
sad trial of the British wartneers of t Cagliari steamer by
the government of the Ring of the Two Sicilia. The dr-
aunsesaas of the ant were that that= having bent
11::an their trial, cos al them had
111 ether Muni an Ws tisiontiliTita the
ether Ited ilegved mak a eLoek has hia long imprisceassat
sad the apprehensions of what he might barn to undergo,
that Ws reason bad gone, and it was found impossible to put
him on Me trial.

Lord PALITERSTON—We have been in repeated coat-
umnioation with the government of Napks, through our
counter agent there, on the subject of which my hon. friend
has spoken. Our consul hu attended all the proceodinss,
and has given his utmost attention to them. The state of
the matter is this. The trial of Park is proceeding. With
regard to Watt, es has been stated by my hon. friend, his
mend and spirits have become affected by his imprisonment
and the apprehension of the final result of the proceedings
against him, and it was found that he was in such • state of
mental excitement that it would be improper to proceed with
his trial. On an application to the Neapolitan government
he was delivered up to the British consul, and be has been
placed In the British Hospital at Naples, a place which is
exceedingly well conducted, where I hope, by proper treat-
ment, his naiad may be restored.

lINIViRSITIES OF SCOTLAND.

Lord ELailo begire—d-t7saithisLOrd Advo—ate window
any bill for the improvement of the Scotch univendties would
be introduced this scion? and also, when the report of the
commission to inquire Into the University of Aberdeen would
be teal on the table ?

The LORD ADVOCATE—The subject of the reform of
the universities of Scotland has been under the consideretiou
of the government, and I have prepared the outline of a mea-
sure, whkh I hope to introduce this session. The report of
the commission on the University of Aberdeen is ready, and
will be laid on the table directly.

LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND).
Mr. BLAND begged to mak the Chief Secretary for Ire-
land,whether the government intended to introduce any man-
umit We session respecting the management of lunatic asy-
lum in Ireland P

IlliallEßT-1 cannot pledge myself that the
government will introduce ■ measure on the subject this ses-
sion. Three days ago I received • letter from Sir Thomas
Radington, stating his regret that the commission which had
been appointed to inquire into this subject had not yet made
their report, and required an extension of time for that pur-
pose. I moot, therefore, make any pledge on the subject.

Outdo had been distinctly warned by Lord W. Bentinek end
Lord H. ardinge that if he refused to reform his government
he would forfeit his throne. The oppression of his maple
was the ground of his depose!, and all the authorldes- in
India which the government consulted at the time were in
devour of the measure. He made no opposition to the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL wild it seemed to him that an impres-
sion might be produced by what had been said by Mr. Bee-
be with respect to Lord Dalhousie which should be set right.
Lord Dalhousie had governed India for six or seven years
with peat ability, devoting thereto his time, his talmta,
and his health, and he (Lord John) thought it
leehir that unjust Imputations should be made upon
that nobleman's character. The case of Oude was one of
half • century's duration. The misgovernment of Onde
was so notorious in 1801 that Lord Wellesley found it
NT:nto interfere, and he concluded a treaty with the
ab %der which pledged the prince to act In conformity
with the 'deice of the company. That treaty was oon-
.elently violated, and the subsidiary force, under British
effieen, was employed in the odious office of enforcing the
minds of a corrupt and vicious court. It had been • ques-
tion whether the troops should be withdrawn from Owls,
.er the administration of the territory assumed by the
British goverment ; the home authorities, determined
- upon the latter oourse, and Lord Dalhousie, what-
ever his own opinion might be, could not refuse
obedience. But whatever (continued his lordship)
arz,be the Janke of this proceeding with regard to fts
, it appears to me that there was some want of prudence
the nods of antMng that policy into effect. If it was de-
imminell that the dens was come when we must annex Onde,
I think, wag what wee the nature of the population of the
matey, that the Embodies could nay collect a number of
armed followers, It was the duty of the government—wheeher
that government is the Board of Control or the Court of
Directors—to see that a sufficient force was collected not only
to prevent resistance in Oade, but to see that obedience was
enforeed by a sufficient number of British troops, and to
tread out at once any sparks of rebellion that might arise.
(Hear, bear.) In that respect it was most un-
fortunate that at this very moment we should have
proposed the Persian war. (Hear.) Fresh troops should
have been sent horn this country. (Hear.) Ido not admire
the policy of the Persian war, but if the government decided
that it was necessary, they should not weaken the force in
India, especially In Ode, at the same time that they were
aiming into effect the energetic policy which they di-
rected Lord Delhonsie to pursue. (Cheers.) It was tin-
, fortunate and ill-judged that they should carry into
effect these two modes of policy at the same
time. (Hear, hear.) I was sorry to hear spin from
my right hon. friend that unfortunate word "
(Hear, hear.) We were told last year, and spin to- t
we hear, that the a tier, of one troops In the P
Gulf was a proof o our prestige ; but the appearance of a
dreadful mutiny in India has done more I am afraid, to
shake that prestige than any success in Persia h likely to
gain for us. (Hear, hen.) In reading the history of
Europe I cannot but recollect the instance of a
very great man giving up everything to prestige. When
Napoleon went upon the Russian campaign he took with
him an army of 600,000 men, and when be advanced to
Smolensk° every one of his marshals and generals recom-
mended him to go into winter quarters. " But," said he,
"ifl do that, what will become of my prestige P If I remain
a whole winter my prestige in Paris will be gone." The un-
fortunate campaign of Moscow followed. Next year, by the
efforts of hisextmordinary genius, he gottogetheranewarmy;
he wee master of two fields of battle, and confronted the
whole power of Europe. Terme of peace were offered to
him which would have left him muter of nearly all of
Europe; they would have left him master of France, Italy
and Holland. But be said, "If I surrender anything—it I
give up my title of ' Protector of the Confederation of the
Rhine; IMs my prestige." Well, he fell; he lost his
mestige, he lost his empire, and went an exile to St. Helena.
Such Is the continence of resigning true and substantial
honour, in order to follow that vain phantom of prestige.
(Hear, hear.) We have sea what it has done for us in
India—we see what it is doing for us in Chine. (Cheers.)
Instead of following this vein delusion of prestige, let us
follow the old English mum of doing that which is right,
that which is due to our own character, and let reputation
follow, as it is sure to follow a course of policy pursued in
such a spirit (Loud cheers.)
Lord J. MANNERS said the house had heard
the noble lord (J. Russell) urge that they should not be led
away by any vain march after prestige ; but he would re-
mind the noble lord that our prestige in India was of two
kinds—one which we owed to our military explolte, and the
other which used to be attached to our character for honour
and good faith. Those heroes who had shad their blood upoa
the Ades of India had amply redeemed the Brat ; and it was
now for the House of Commons to redeem the last. He
would ask the noble lord, with all his contempt for military
prestige, to second and not to thwart the efforts of his hon.
friend, to drag three transactions to light. He hoped that
her Majesty's government would not object to an amendment
which he should move, that the correspondence mentioned
by Lord Auckland and Lord Broughton should be laid on
the table bedsore the real debate on this great question
of the annexation of Ouds, the question on which depended not
only on reputation for good faith but perhaps the maintenance
of our empire in India for the future. He would not now enter
into the question of the policy which should be pursued to-
wards Owls horeafter, In the come of justice lay our own
safety, and if were to restore on a firm bats our Indian em-
Mre, it could only be done by parliament showing to the na-
tive princes and the people of India that they were deter-
mined to do justice and remedy wrong, and that parliament
I was brave enough, even in this moment of danger, to restore
the kingdom of Oude to its legitimate ruler,. (" Oh I" and
"Hear, hear.") That was his deliberate opinion. It was a/I
very well for people with the easy morality of the present day
to say, "Oh, don't look at the way in which a thing was done,
when it has been done." He did not believe that that woe
the opinion of the noble lord (J. Rued% sad it wee not the
opinion out of the walla of parliament. The house bad heard
last night the opinion expressed by Burke, in his vindication
of Lord Clive, which he would now repeat On this solid
plan he fixed every prince that was concerned in the preced-
ing wars, on the one side and on the other, in a happy and
easy settlement. He restored Dowlah, who had been
thine from his dominions by the military arm of Great Bri-
tain, to the rank of Vizier, and to the dominion of the terri-
toilet of Hada With a generosity that astonished all Asia
he reinstated this expelled enemy of his nation peaceably on
his throne, and this act of politic generosity did more
tower& the quieting the minds of the people of Asia
than all the terror, great as it was of the
arms." That was the opinion of Burke on Lord
Clive. He hoped that there was no man among them who
thought that because by hand and chicanery we had gained
a kingdom, we should attempt to reconquer it by force
of arms. He repudiated all connexion with such a fraud
and wrong, and if he never addressed a weed again to that
house, be would be satisfied that he had done what he could
to bring the minds of his men toe more just conclu-
sion on this question. He begged to move, es an amendment
to the motion, that there should be also laid before the house
all correspondence between the Secret Committee of the
ladia-houss, the President of the Board of Control, and the
Governor-Gennal of India in 1837 and 1838.
Mr. V. SMITH begpd to explain to the noble lord that
the Bond of Control had no correspondence with the Governor-
Chemed, although the Secret Committee bad. All the cor-
respondence refined to bad been toyed for and would be
prodsoed.
Lord J. MANNERS made an observation acroes the table.

Ecita7
due° at that time shall be produced.

Lord J. DIANNERS via uadendood not to press his

bl-rTielliioLlll3, as a inaniber of the Court of Directors,
took his fall sham of responsibility for the annexation of
Dade, whioh babegaved.wait a just and necessary metulure.

The government of Oude, from the commencement of the
redo of the tensity now deposed, had been, be raid, the worst
In the world, uniting all the vices of an Asiatic government,
while the people were controlled by the iron band of European
civilisation. He dwelt upon the violations of the treaty,
upon the warnings given to the King, upon the neglect with
which representations were treated by him, and upon
tho lawless condition of the country, which fully justified,
in his opinion, the extreme measure of annciaHm. With
regard to the treaty of 1837, it was the fact, as stated by Lord
Dalhousie, that it was disavowed by the Court of Directora,
although it was bus that Lord Auckland did not tell the
King of Crude that the whole of that treaty bad been abro-
gated . He did not believe that the annexation of Onde had
soy appreciable edict upon the mutiny, and he road • letter
from Bre John Lawrence stating as his opinion that, although
it was possible the King of Oude might have bad something
to do with the mutiny, the Bindoo population of Oade were
in favour of the annexation, and that the mutiny sp rang from
the Bepoys themselves. Mr. Mingles mentioned instants.
in which natter had maintained the authority of the govern.
most at stations deserted by the civil officers, and asked whe-
ther these facts were compatible with the notion that it was
$ rebellion. lu his opinion, it was a military mutiny from
the beginning
Col. BYK Ell said, with regard to the annexation of Oude,
he was deputy-chairman when that took place, and signed the
order ; but as be thought he maw a discussion on that subject
coming, he would reserve himself for that occsainn, to
explain the part b. did in Mora to that subject. He
might, however, be allowed to our half-a-dozen words.
Oude was governed by en Jokiest sad vole Woos King, who
formed out the revemoss to who collected it by foto.
of arum and who, whim cy ware the strongest, got mom
than was their due, end when the great landed proprietors
wore the strongeM, got less. To show whet was the data
of the cavatry, he would Meta what number of offences had
ben eorataitted daring seven years. Is that time there
had beam robberies. 1,031; persons killed, 4,399 ;
wounded, 4,666; killed mad wounded, _not vignue;
masted, 2,016; total killed sad woetd, 11, 14; v
Stn ed, 517 ; perms forcibly carried away, 1,496; settees,
St. This was surely dposgh to iodine thOSS who had the
slighlest 'park of humenity to Mop in sad put a stop to such
• state of things. It wee, however, • different thing to bring
in the British rule to take charge of the country and to de-
fend tbs King. Ho would say on more an the subject
Asa that whim thelesper thee arrived beissaidle prepared