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he had heard nothing from that side of the house
'^ll could compete with the language of the noble lord the
of State for Foreign Alfons only ten years ego. A public meeting was held last night, at the Lon-
' Yee the Fleet Moister now told them them" don Tavern, to hear statements respecting the treffio in
sits could be ezpoicied. No doubt the noble
e eery iieeeeiroeteue peeite„, end C.hdinefoseniang.d.Coolone.,limi muted on in British ships, to British
and to adopt • memorial to government,
-.aunt of martyrdom in going into praytag for a committal of inquiry into the subject. The
-4 or three of hie adherents.
c,,ttrwee taken Lord BR°""i•mr and "wag" the Sea
difficulties attending this _ _
o
m 11l
we °Marred Mr. Gilpin, M.P., r.
,toe. Wee it to be laid C. Baton, , Mr. Stephen Bourne, Rev. S. Green, Mr.
wtloos of modem Chisholm Anstei, Mr. Samuel Sturge, Mr. Henry Steffy,
v.-- Re,. John Clerk (Jamaica), Mr. Thomas Sercombe, Mr. J.
-"mom' Cooper, Rev. J. Reolterdt, Mr. Thomas Biome, Mr.
Thompson, Rev. J. Todd Brown, Mr. Thos. Hodgkin,(ll7.r,
Mr. A. H. Dick, M.A. (Jamaica), Mr. Win. Allen.
'ord BROW:MAY, in opening the proceedings, said—Gft-
it glom ma rat satisfaction to meet you her this
-to take Into oonsideration s subject of very great
-111 intemeting to all the fiknds of humanity,
's all the frirnds of a sotind, wolkeon-
Theme.) The main object of our
of the immigration into our
'Alt Indian possessions and
`at part of the world.
- this subject, and
colonies or
sur which
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he had heard nothleg from that side of the home
which could compete with the Impetigo of the noble lord the
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs only tee years ago.
(ether, hear.) Yet the Fast Moister now told them that no
such serious results ooald be expected. No doubt the noble
lord bad felt himself in a very uncomfortable position, and
had undergone a bags amount of martyrdom in going into
the lobby followed by may two or three of his adherents.
The noble lord now said that any difficulties attending this
question might be settled in committee. Wee it to be laid
down that from henceforth all difficult questions of modern
polities were no longer to be settled by the deliberate voles
of the Neste, that the Hoses of Commons
we. no loopier to come forward after an
elaborate discussion and declare its opinion, but the whole
matter.wu to boleti to a eelect oommittee? (Hear, beer.) The
noble lord bad ou this °erosion for the fourth time referred
to the speech of a cabinet minister—a distinguished member
of the late government No member of It bad attained
greater seninenos not only in politic but in other branches
of intelligence, but no individual bed ever yet attained es
much celebrity by • single speech ; he had become a complete
stock-in-trade to her Majesty's ministers. Hs must differ
from the noble lord in one respect. This was not a question
of detail but of prisciple. 'Those who sappmted the len
looked only to one settlement of the queet. The hon.
baronet who had introduced the measure bed manfully and
honestly expresied hie opinion. He was sgaiest church
new, and did not want any substitutes. 'The sob% lord the
Se zetary for Foreign Affairs held veey different language;
acoordieg to him church rates were the British ometitution.
(Ilea, hear.) If her Majesty's government were now of
opinion *het church rate, ought not be done away with with-
' out some substitute, they were bound not to rapport any
mammas which did not offer such • substitute. If there
rates were to be dome away with they were bound to
offer a substitute for them. If they thought an evil
existed they were bound to provide a remedy, bat the course
taken by the noble lord wee not a 'titan:manlike course. If a
minieter believed that an entire change wee not mammary, or
deareble, but would support a bill to carry it into effect,
we bout being prepared to overeat a change, he must say
nothing could be more unsatisfactory, or more iajorious to
the public welfare than the position now occupied by bee
Majesty's government. With regard to the question itself,
he wee ready to admit that its present position wee highly
uneatiefactory. A measure bad been proposed by the late
governineat, but be could not then enter into its merits.
It was at least a sines» and anxious of let to settle the ques.
tion. Were the noble lord and his colleagues prepared to
come forward end adopt the principle of the bon. member for
Tavistoth ? If they did, they might juatify the vote they were
*bone to give. If they were ready to declare that the tax
as It now stood was utterly unjust and intolerable ; if
that was their belief, he could understand the position of the
governmest, although they would thereby accepts responsi-
bility from which he would shriek. He could not gather
from the noble lord the least information as to wLat he
would suggest to supply the placeif thoarates were abolished.
If the Impost was to be removed, some subatituts
ought to be supplied. If the government were not prepared
such aanbetitute, what became of their prestige
teoner:nPgone 'ty, if they were not prepared to offer the house
and the country some substitute lie must protest against
such • mode of dealing with the qneetion. If they could not
support the present law let them mate their objection to it ;
but let destroyt say that they were prepared to support a
bill ti the rate altogether, and aak the house to
adopt their policy In that re Tact, while they
were not prepared to offer any substitute for the
arrangement which they sought to terminate. Not-
withstanding whet bad oocnred, be believed the
question might still be satisfactorily settled, but he was moat
sorry that her Majesty's government, in voing for the aboli-
tion of church rates without effeeing the subetitute which
they admitted to he necessary, shrunk from the neponsibility
which devolved on them of offering • remedy.
Lord J. RUSSELL wished to state the reason why he
would vote for the second reeding of the bill. He had de-
fended the continuation of church tales, and felt very much
flattered at hearing from the right hon. gentleman opposite,
that he bad done so effectually. He bad done his Lett but
beam sore, to say his etfortehad met no support from theright
hon. gentleman who had just sat down. (Hear, hoar.) On
• former 00DU46.11 he and his noble friend, the First Lord of
the Treasury had voted for the continuance of church rater,
end had thereby dimples's& a large 'action of their party ; bat
es these occasions they received no support from the leader
of the conservative party—he was then silent; but now,
when public opinion had changed, the right hon. gentians=
came torward and mute a speech which was aimed •
I despairing one, in support of them. He said the governmeat
in supporting the bill did so because they believed church rates
ware lamina and intolerable. He denied that he saw anything
unjust in them; that, however wee no I infer the question.
The church rates had been opposed on two grounds, one of
which he had combatted most strongly, and agethet which
his arguments were direeed. At the recent election for the
West Hiding of Yorkshire the two liberal candidates, of
course, avowed themselves oppoeed to church rates • but
even the conservative candidate expressed tho same opinion,
and stated he had before voted against them. In addition to
this proot of the public feeling, he had seen the majority
against this bill dimteith from GO or 70 to 10 or 20, and
then the majority turned the other way. Ile had
then to ark himself whether it was verb while
for the church to stand by the authority of parliament, or
rather of the House of Lords alone. When be saw the
question wee making such progress in the country he
bad to consider whether it was poseible to make any com-
promise. One compromise proposed was to draw a lone of
distinction between churchmen and dissenters, and
make the rate compuleuy on the one, but ax-
cos
the others. At present the distinction be
teeth churchmen and dissenters wee a matter of
Wet. It often happened that • man at:reeled by the ea-vice
of the church aben,doned his former place of worship and '
began to attend church, but if a Woad line of demarcation be
drawn by law between churchmen and diaters, that which
was now amore matter of habit would become • flied belief,
and the easy transition would be no longer possible.
When this bill was originally discussed there appeared very
little chance that the Laic et the church would be kept up
by voluntary offerings, bat they bad seen of late years, and
with great satisfaction, too, the estailishtd church had
become much stronger in the affections of the people ; that
the amount of contributions 'het had been made for new
churchee, and for the endowment of ministers of the esta-
blished church, bad come to a sum which he did not ex-
actly remember, but a sum so large no one would have
believed twenty yeera ago that such a sum could have been
collected by voluntary offerings. But with reprd to this
question of church-rata, the amount raised by compulsory
church-rates had very much diminished. The sum raised
was formerly 400,0001. • year and upwards, but now it
barely reached 260,0001., Lut at least an equal, if not a
greater, sum was collected voluntarily for seroes oi the
&wok. They had then to sob themselves wee it not possible,
was it not probable, that if they abolished church-rates, if
they left the outmost of the fabric of the church to
voluntary contributions that those churobee would be as well
repaired and as well maintaieed, as they were at the present
moment. (Herr, hear.) There might be questions in com-
mittee—be would not say with regard to • substitute, but
with regard to the regulation of the collection of these volun-
taryoffas. But the question before them was the second
reading of this bill for the abolition of church rates. So far
from this heiog a measure for the destruction of the national
church, be believed that the hoe. member for Tavlstock, who
had inUoduced the beL contemplated nothing of that kind.
The prieciples that he bad stated be believed were the prin-
ciples which were staud by him noble friend the First Lord of
the Treasury. They did not exactly state that church
rates were unjust and hoolerable, but they said that
looking at the present position of the question, looking at the
state of publio opinion out of doors and the feeling of the
hoses, it was fitter, it was better foe the church that these
rates should be abolished, and that It was more likely they
should maintain the church in its efficiency by abolishing then
by maintaining them. (Cheers.)
The house then divided—
For the mooed reading
Against it l9O-73
The annonneement of the oututen was bailed with cheers.
Me WALPOLif said he understood the First land of the
Treasury that when the bill got into COnlinitiea porno er-
raagement might be made for a substitute. Would the go-
vernmeat take charge of the clause.?
Lord PALMERSTON said the substitute he proposed we
voluntary coatnbutions.
Mr. N &WONG IaTE gave notice that on the question
going tato committee on the bill he should move that the
house moles heel( leto committee of the whole house for the
purpose of hopo.ing a rate of td. in the pound on all property
whioh daring the last saves years has been subjected to
church rare, ire occupier to recover from the owner.
KidTilte.Sey Areebitlit:iaTuornamuwafiur a
were lnyd
red
a et coed time.
Mr. Wurrestoz obtained leave to being Ina hill to amend
te Settled Estates (1866) Act.
The House adjourned at half-peal 6 o'clock.
The I

polishes, and that the objection to it could not be a pecuniary
one, being so small a burden on property. (Hear, eetr
With regard to the conscientious grievance complained o ,
mid which the right hon. gentleman sod formed the main
objection to the ret e that was completely got rid of by the
till introduced by his right hon. friend (Mr. Walpole).
(Hear, hear.) That bill might, indeed, have been oppceed
by churchman, but they supported it as the most liberal
compromise that could be proposed to porltament. (Hear)
The dierentire, helped by many of tease who now form.
part of her Majestj a government, rejected that bill, but
haring done so, it wee futile to urge the cooscientious
jectiou say longer. (Hear.) The payment of church rates
ems opposed not on account of any tenderness of ooseeience,
but, as had been openly avowed out of that house, as the first
step towards the dissolution between church and state.
(lime, km.) The right hon. gentleman, after reducing the
grievances oompleined of to an iefiniweirnally small point,
and showing that any system which could be set up in lieu
of the present one would be lees equitable, concluded to vote
lee tie mooed seeding of in. WI. (Bear, bear.) The
hasn. gentleman shadowed forth something about •
diomem board, but it would be useless to discuss a
plea which was not before the bongs and which had been
merely hinted at es • future possibility. (Hear, hear.)
Church rates had existed in England for 1,000 year*, and
when IN right bon. gentleman argued from what had been
done is the way of church building of late years that there
was little Isar of the churches tailing into decay, he was
using en argument which was obviously fallacious, for if
thank isles were to be entirely abolished there would not
be the seam stimulus for exertion. He thought her
jtetya government had not treated so impudent a
to the way la which it ought to have bean treated. VZsiady to do anything that would relieve the con-
solation scruples of the dissenters ; but he believed the pre-
MEI epees w better than cup of the proposed substitutes;
and thetas. was the opinion stated • short time since by the
Soserszy of State for War. He trusted, therefore, that the
eight bon. gentleman would now be foiled voting in oppose-
d= to the bill which was the find step in an attack on the
institution of she churola.
Sir O. C. LEWIS explained that MI remarks did not
refer to Dr. Phillimore's bill, but to • later period, whim the
plan to which be referred was brought forward by those with
whom he bed acted.
Lord FERMOY said the speeches of the right hen. get
*Ma the member for Staffordshire and that of the hon.
member far the King's County were of • very retrogelide
character. The right hon. gentleman himself we. a mem-
ber of a government which brought in a 1411 to declare that
the majority could not, bind • minority to provide for the
support of the church. The hon. member for the King's
County called on the Boman esthetic members not to assist
the dissenters in this attack on the church: bet
the Lill was no attack on the church ; it was
not a step to abolish the onneion between church
and state. (Iles, hear.) They would ouly strengthen the
church by doing away with a grievance and an iDiolliCt.
I (Hoer, hear.) The bon. gentlemen asked the Roman
catholic to oppose the bill, as they enjoyed the grant to
Maynooth. if the hon. [gentleman put the grant to May-
'tooth on that footing, itwas not worth two year: purchase
—(hear, hear)—if it was put in the rues boat with church
rates It wculd not lad long. (Hear hear.) The hon.
tthclaimen ought not to forgot the aeration owed by the
cathohns to the diasentan of England. What would
have bsoome of the Roman Catholic Relief Bill but fee the
support of the liberal party comprising so many dissenters ?
The gnashes must soon be settled ; until it was, the church
would be weakened and society disturbed.
Mr. DRUMMOND said that the present debate very had
mach narrowed the apelike, he should therefore not repeat
=eddied which had already been said, but only endeavour to
point out what wee exactly the qoestion before them. The
right hen. gentleman the Secretary of State had said truly
Chet this question dated from the sedition of the Home of
Lords in the Beelines. ass; the natural way of getting rid
of the evils then arises; was to place church retell on the
same footing as say other rates ; that, however, was net
done. The bishops whom duty it was to bring ut each a
measure, neglected it. No doubt it was • rhythm In large
towns that the entire rate* should go to the pubis church.
The dissenters complained of two grievance. one was true
and the other false, the tree grievance was thati to which he
had joie referred; the &Meese was that ithurt thaircomcium
to pay for a church establiehmest.
Mr. MAGUIRE would not have Map:mead on house
but for the appeal made by Übe hoe. member for the King's
' County to Roman esthetics. He believed he and every other
catholic member would go taut a dlfferent lobby from the
bon. member. From 1E162 be had always supported the
priociple of this bill, and would still do so. This w,s not en I
attack on the institution of the church, bat an Meek cm en
abuse. it was not fair to make a Roman catholic
or • absentee pay for the worship cf a pro-
testaat. The Roman catholic church in Ireland was
entirely voluntary, yet what was the result ? Evere
day saw new churches and convents rising up.; So also If
church rates were dune away with the proteatanta of Englaod
would be able to meintain their church. (Hear, hear.) In
all the battles for catholic freedom, the dissenters had sup-
ported them, and he would now nouns that auppurt. The
established church in Ireland was not a bulwark of liberty,
but • monument of !oepreerios. (Home hear.) Teke the
case ef a Henan aelegic landlord forced to pay a protestant
clergyman, who rendered no melee to him or his
tenants. (Hear, hear.) The egmbliehment nu en
alum, and the Irish Roman catholic. would be every
day calling with a louder voice on the dissenters of England
to aid them in their attack on it. (Hear, hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON wished to 'tete the grounds why
be voted for this bill, especially as he hod never before voted
for a bill of this description. (Cheers, and counter-cheere,
and laughter.) He was glad to find lion. gentlemen, them-
selves the patterns and models of convert+, modes with such
joy a new convert. He had thought, and still thought, that
Ii was essential to the honour and dignity of the country that
the fabric of the church should be maintained, and, if pos-
sible, be would have preferred the reistlng system of
MO; but when he saw by repeated instances that
not cooly the public out of doors, but parliament itself,
had by large majorities declared *gimlet the eyetem, he could
got art his Individual preference against public opinion.
When he looked at the state of the church is the country be
saw en every side a number of district churches admirably
built and well maintained homer these churches well built
and well maintaiced without church rates, and hecould not but
ask whether the pariah churches could not be maintained in
the same manner? (Hear hem.) It appeared to him an
arrangement could be made by which a eufileitnt provision
could bt secured for the maintenance of the
wish church, as was now done for district churches.
He :would not enter into any discussion of tee
motives In which the opposition to the rates originated. He
vas persuaded that, aitnough the dissenters, for names of
which they were entitled to be judge', might object to a
compulsory rate, yet there wire many instances in which
obey would voluntarily contribute to the maintenance of the
churches which were ornament. to the town in which they
lived. Them liberal feelings would induce them to give
voluntarily what they would refuse to a compulsory de-
mand. He was ready to vote for the Fecund reading,
and he trusted that in committee some arrangement
might be devised. (Cheers and counter cheers, and
laughter from the opposition.) Honourable gentlemen
who had cheered so strongly, the right houourable baronet
the member for Hertfordshire, when in the reform
discussion he went through print eller point, saying that is
for the committee, now treated with levity the pummel
to modify Weevil. (Hear, hear.) It wee objected that by
abolishing compulsory rates they would destroy the esta-
blished church. He repudiated the supposition as degrading
and aajan to the church of England. Its firmest
ground of support was I. the effection end respect
of the people of this country. There was no
danger of that feeling dying away so long as the conduct of
the ministers of the church was such as they now saw, which
year after year rivetted more and more the attachment of the
wile to tee established church. (Hew, hear.) He could
not think this impost was treasury to the maintenance of
the cburch. He agreed with those who thought that, by
abolishing the compulsory rate, they would get rid of what
wee equally distasteful to dieseneffb and to many church-
men; and, so far from weakening the church, they would,
by removing • grievance, strengthen and mum it. (Rear.)
Mr. DISRAELI bed listened with great attention to tie
speech of the noble lord, as it was the first time he bad ad-
dimmed the house on this subject. He quite opted with
him that a saga might change hisopinion en all subjects, sad
such • Osage was entitled to all respect when arrived at by
feu* of reason, and with all the advantage,' of experience.
The noble lard had often announced • change of hie opinion
to the hone.; but the question then wee not whether the
noble lord had changed biS opinion, or on what ground.,
but whether he dad come forward that day in a manner be-
' corniest tee difficulty of the situatioa, and had displayed
such wide= In the course be had taken as would make the
house recognise him as capable of reemumendine a policy
which should demand their assent. He could collect from
the noble Iced', speech oohieg that could give estiefeution
to the house, or could justify them in recognising his recom-
mendation as one worthy of his position. (Reer, bear.)
other lord entered into some general argueueuse erg
then* rates, which if they amounted to anything amount. d
to this, that he was in favour of • voluntary system. That
was one of the greyest questions whieheould be brought before
the house. The noble lord adverted to one point of dead,
and then concluded that they ought to arrive at e satisfactory
conclusion that the same system which produced puce
eetiafactory melts wen regard to district churches
might be safely applied to pariah churches. The
noble lord, however, ought to remember that these
district churches were not things of yeelerday, they
exist. d when the noble lord had entertained very different
opinions as to this bill. The noble lord could not agree with
those who anticipated such serious results from this bill. No
doubt many members on the opposition side bad signed that
pored a grave and eerie. roeponeibility rested on these norported the bill but no one had put it more forcibly ex-
pressed himself more strongly against the revoltitionary cha-
racter of ouch a bill, than rue of tee eollseguee,
_and Use
most trusted colleague, of the noble lord Hs heard
speeches from hon. members on Ids side of the house,
bat they were Meta to be oventeshisdaadoveroolcured, bed

A public meeting was held list night, et the Lon-
don Tavern, to beer statements reelecting the test% in
Chinese and Coolies carried on in British Ships, to British
and foreign colonies, and to adopt a memorial to goverment,
praying for a committal of inquiry into the subject. The
chair was taken by Lord Beet: oxen, end amongst the gen
tlemen on the platform we oteerved Mr. Gilpin, M.P., Mr.
C. Buxton, le:P., Mr, Stephen Bourne, Rev. S. Green, Mr.
Chisholm Auto,' Mr. Smut Sturge, Mr. Henry Steffy,
Rev. John Clerk (Jamaica), Mr. Thomas Sercombe, Mr. J.
Cooper, Rev. J. Reeks/de Mr. Thomas Bites, Mr. G
Thompson, Rev. J. Todd Brown, Mr. Thos. Hodgkin,ll7:
Yr. A. 11. Dick, M.A. (Jamaica), Mr. Win. Alba.
Lord BILOUGHAY, is opening the proceedings, said—Gen-
deem, it gives me great satisfaction to meet you has this
day in order to takainto consideration a subject of very great
importance, deeply interestina to all the (fiends of humanity,
and, I would add. to all the friends of a sound, well.con-
aidered, end just policy. (Cheers.) The main object of our
meeting is to consider the state of the immigration into our
*Awoke of the coolies from our East Indian possessions and
the Chime from our poestetions in that past of the world.
There ere many differences of opinion upon this subject and
whether or not there exists in one West India colonies or
generally in our colonial settlements the want of labour which
it Is contended, on the part of those oho favour the intro-
deedke of them coolies, exiata or has existed for the last 26
yews since we liberated our almost, whether that exists M
all, or at any rate whether it exists to the degree to which it
is alleged to exist, is • question which I think seriously de-
serves inquiry, and upon which It would be rash to give a
confident opinion one way or another without further
investigation. (Hem, hem.) Now 1 have often been charged
by the West ladle body as being battle to them.
lbelkee, ea the °calvary, that I hero been their beet friend
(hear, hear)—first, in promoting the abolition of the infernal
sieve trafflo—(cheera)—next, in continuing to promote that
object after the liberation of our slaves., when it became still
morentoesaary this ever for the West India body that the
trsdid In African slavery should be put down entirely. For
who sad what are they who mainly oppose and thwart the
schemes, the great schemes, the lawful ache me*, of the West
ladle planters ? Their real enemies are the cultivators of
slave grown sugar in foreign settlements. (Hear.) That is
what they mainly suffer by, and until the slave me& is really
and effectively put down all over the world, our West India
planters will suffer just is much In their lood interests as
the cameo! justice and hummity suffers in Its interests.
(Cheers.) But the immigration of coolies is said to afford a
great relief to that body. If it be so, and if they shall show
that in consequence of the liberation of their nerves and the
slave population of oar colonies being converted into • fees
people, and • free people given somewhat to agricultural
labour, somewhat given to the raising of sum—not so much
given to that culture as is necessary, perhaps, foe the inte-
rests of the planter, and this is he if statement—but if this
be so, and if they really do want a sufficient supply of
hands, far be it from me to say that they ought not to nave
the benefit of immigration, provided it can be secured to
them free from the risk of reviving under the form and in
another name the old slave trade. (Cheers) When I
breeched the subject the other night, in presenting some
petitions to the House of Lords, I was told by my noble
frieed at the lead of the Celonial Department, you can have
no doubt that the planters feel the want of hands when they
see willing to let themselves be taxed to order to enable
them to obtain the supply of tootles, and other labourers
which they require. No doubt it is a severe test to apply
taxation to men's motives end to men's &them and xis
very natural to say, if these planters submit to be taxed, it is
a clear proof that they have • very great want of hand', and
that but for that want they would notsubroltto that taxation.
My answer is that they do submit to be taxed, bet that the
tax is not mitred to themselves. (Cheers.) The poor
negro is taxed as well as the planter—(bar, hear)—the
liberated African, the liberated Creole, the alms population
is subject to the same tax—much lees no doubt, because
their mans are far more slender, but in proportion to the it
mesas they bear the emu weight of taxation, with this dif-
ference the planter pays the tax is order to obtain a sup-
ply of hands, the negro pays the tax is order to have his
labour cheapened by that supply of hands—so that he burns
the candle at both ends, he pays the tax and he loses the
wages. (Hear, hear.) I don't mean to my that this is a
deer proposition any more then the other which asserts the
want of bands end the nemesity for immigration ; but I say
at Meat that it demands invesegation, and what I should,
strongly recommend to this meeting would be to confine
itself to a demand for inquiry—not a one-aided inquiry,
calling whams, all on one aide who are of one opinion, but
calling witnesses on both slim—those of the planter as well
se those of the n. gro—md N there is a third party
who is neither leaning towards one party or the other, I
would call these witheetee, and let the whole of them be ex-
amined. (Cheers.) have given you very shortly my
notion of the state of the cam, and will only regent you to
give • patient hearing to every one who may address you,
whatever may he their °piston. (Cheers.) I may add that
I have received a letter from my right rev. friend the Bishop
of Gifted, who le exosediogly sorry that he cannot attend
the meeting, being under the necearey of leaving town at an
early hour on account of professional duties. I cannot
mention that name without having recalled to my recelee-
tion hire towards whom the feelings of veneration and of
affection strive in my boson for the mastery. (Loud chem.)
Mr. CRAMEROOZOW, the secretary, stated that letters had
been received from Sir John Bowring and several other gen-
tlemen who were unable to attend. Bir John Barring, after
el plaiting that his absence was owing to his ',behind
heelth, stated that he had not been unfaithful in Chine to his
bag cherished opinions. (Cheers.)
Mr. C. BUXTON, M.P., moved the first resolution
" That this meeting) having heard the statements which
have been made on Ilse subject *f the present system of üb-
, taining indium and Chinese as labourers, and their employ-
aunt in British colonise, considers It desirable that • memo-
rid should be presseted to his Grace the Duke of Newcastle,
bar Majesty's Secretory of State for the Colonies, praying
his to promote the appointment of • committee of the
Reese of Lords to inquire into the whole subject." The
greatest differences of opinion provided eves amongst those
who had studied the subject, end it was most desirable to
have a searching inquiry before a committee of the House of
Lodge which would tend to allay the bitter feeling which ex-
isted Is the colonies and be productive of groat advantage to
the West Indies. (Hear hew.) Where there was • great
extern of uncultivated eni fertile land there could be no doubt
it would be • good thing t pour in labourers to bring the load
into eultivatem. It appeared incredible that the planters
should have demanded en increase of hands unites there wu
lOW 00C114011 for such increase.
Me. C. ANBTEIf, fn seconding the motion, said that
although he did not undervalue the subjects of inquiry
which had been suggested by Me. Buxton, there were other
matters of a still her nature which must come before
parliament. Besides e creation, is immigration absolutely
required, and whet fund shall be applicable to the p urpore,
there remained the higher question of the morality of the
means by which the emigrants are lo be obtained in their own
country—the question, how far have British off cials abroad
corresponded iu practice to the professions they have made
at home in their endeavours to carry ant the honest *isles
live measures which have been parent for the sup-
premien of the slave trade, and for interdicting
the holding of slaves to British subjects—and the question
is any and what alteration of the existing law
In these respects necessary. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and
learned gentleman then adducted numerous instances which
had come under his (MD k owledge. in which immigrants
had been the subject of force and fraud—of
.force in being
kidnapped, end of fraud in being led to believe they were
entering into engagements for their own tenefikinstead of for
the benefit of their oar,
is (Hear, hear.)
Mr. G. Tnomrsoe, is supportiog the motion, said the
meeting was called upon t r supplement what the country did
twenty yeam ago, when it gave Malty to the negro in the
full and absolute genes of the weed. (Cheers.) They were
bound to see that the liege° was not by stratagem and ern-
flee, by selfishness and class interests, abridged of his rights,
denuded of the privileges of a citizen and tubbed of the tenets
of his henna industry by the intervention of any whom
which they had the power to prevent. (Cheers.)
agreed to, a memorial
TM
is A vothe e
of thanks to the chairman, proposed by Dr. BODO..
thet ocktlie: n 0
e having Newcastle,
w.akcdhar. 11. la jesty's Secretary of State
for
xnlr, and ded by Mr. F. H. Gt./sorrow; closed the
proceedings.foproceedings.

HOUSE OF 010MXONli.—WiDNUDAY, JULT 13.
(Continued tram yesterday's Ivrea)
CHURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL.
Mr. PACKS paid that one reuoa spinet proceeding with
this bill was the feet that • oommittee of the other hoses was
now sitting to consider the beat mesas of deaths with the
question of church rata. A oommittes of that base hid eat
• is, sesame ago, and examined • great number of wit-
semis ; but they had not been able to ogres on any report,
said the home was thus deprived of the advantage of
their Inquiry. A recent return showed that between
1,800 and 1,700 churches were going to dome ;
in the lace of this fact they would surely not
abolish the means for repairing thee. churches. After
quoting from a speech of Lord John Russell is opposition to
• former bill for abolishing church rates, he said be 1•116tiol
that the noble lord was not in his plea ; he wee told he had
suddealy changed his opinion on this questa". (Hear.)
Hs could not understand this sudden change. The were
sow two bills before the house—one for a vothetary ammo
taloa of church rates—the other for their abolitios. How
could the promoters of the former bill vote for the bill before
the house f I church rates were abolished how could they
be commuted ? (Hoz, hear.)
lir. STANILAND toneidered it hopeless for the
how to proper any subseitute for church rates which would
be satisfactory to the clergy. They ought, therefore, to take
an enlarged view of the question sad legislate in such a
mew, a would give eathreeeion to the country.
Mr. HENNESSY, as a Roman catholic member of the
home, said he wee satonished that say was should deny that
this wee en meanie on the church by the protestant dis-
wan. (Heez.l He thought that such en Wick ought not
to be promoted by the catholic.. The same principle was
involved in oharth rates sad In the Maycooth grime The
Roman catholic members wouhl do welt to read history on
this gelation. Eighty years ago, Lord North hardproposed
church rates is Cenathi for the support of the catheltc charcb
there ; and the mottos wee opposed on precisely the same
wen now urged on behalf of protestant
= se
re. For this boon to the esthetics of Canada
lbw were indebted to a coussevative government, as
well as for an increased grant to Maynooth. This bill bad
been introduced by Mr. Dillwyn, the same hem. member
who was promoting the Endowed Schools BilL The latter
bill was supported by ell the Roman catholic members,
except himself; ad be could not but regret that they joined
in these attacks on the church of England. They should
refrain from wanks on a church which had done much, and
would do still more, to promote the social welfare of the
people of England. The church of Ragland had been spoken
of in that debate smiths enemy of tolerance, and the dieseetare
as its great supporters. The very contrary was the dam;
the church had always been the supporter of toleration, aid
the dieser:term the champions of intolerance. (Hear, hem.)
Sir G. C. LEWIS said the question had been as often
before the house that he should not hare risen had not •
direct appeal been made to him the other night. He wished
first to state distinctly the nature of the church rate. It
differed from ell other rates in being a voluntary rate, end
one for which the Court of Queen's Bench would not grant
a mandamus to enforce. [An Hoe. MEMSEII mentioned the
Public Libraries Rate.) That wee only • small rate; he
meat to distinguish church rates from poor rues and others.
Ho bad before him • return for the seven years
anding September, 1868, which showed the following results:
He would state the prinapal results of the return as chewing
the average e: tore for the last seven years. The gross
amount expended for all purposes wee 836,0001., and that
MUM was compo ed of 366,0001. for the repair of churches
and churchyards; 186,0001. for the celebration of divine
worship, and 93,000/. for other purposes The grom amount
of receipts appeared to be 680,0001. glen. He wished to
cell the attention ot the how to the tact, that the whole of
the discussion related to S;sum of 263,0001. That was the
present amount of thumb rate, reckoning the average of the
last seven years to be made up. There was • eurn of 48,0001
derived from special sources, and the voluntary rate and
mutscriptions amounted to 269,0001., so that the amount
of voluntary rates and subscriptions was larger
than the amount of the church rate emit.
The whole question, therefore, related to • sum of about
260,0001. They did not know the total asereesenent for the
church rate, but they did know the amount of amassment G r
the aunty rate, and, as the amount of both did not mate
daily differ, be would spume it to be 84,900,0001., which
was the assessment for the county rate. Assuming that the
patient church rate was levied on half that amount, it would
adapt a rate of 2d. to the pound. The objection to the pay-
ment of church rates was not likely, therefore, to be one of a
pecuniary character. It was so light a charge on property,
that the otesetion could not Krim from the gravity of the
burden. The first and main objection was a conscientious
one on the part of the dissenters from the established church,
who did not thick it right to lee called on to maintain a
church from the doctrines of which they diffeel. (Cheers.)
There was soother class of objection., which were calked to
the members of the established church, end those misted
where district churches were eatahlished, which neceseiteed
the payment of a double rats. Thole was a third ground of
ohjectiou,:where the pastor was disliked by the parishioner',
either on atonal of some peculiarity of doctrine, or some
sappeeed immorality in hie rotdoct. In the majority of
rural parishes, however, church rates were paid without soy
objection made. (Hear, hear.) hut in a very considerable
patios of the large town parishes church rates had been
withheld. Three was, therefore, • great difference be-
tween the town end country is respect to the
payment of church rates. It was therefore prac-
tically impossible to make a eatisfectory arrangemeat
which did not allow for this difference between town
sal country. With respect to the maintenence of the
garish church In large tows@ little difficulty was experienced
in maintaning the fabric of the decide It was in those
perishes when • church rate wee made on • reluctant
obesity that the great difficulty was felt. As the law stood
present there was no legal made of providing for the
myth of the church where the majority refused to levy •
rate foe that purpose. It appeared to him that the owners of
lead would nut &ergs their properties for the maintenance
of the church. That was the remedy propose by the right
hon. gentleman oppoeite, but he did not think it would
answer the end he had in view. Another proposal was to
transfer the present bur len from the occupiers to the
ownere, as in the cos of the Irish tithes. If that proposal
hod been made Dome years ago, it might have been accepted,
but he did not think It would succeed mow. It would do
away with the power of the vestry ; and where the property
of the perish belonged to an individual, It would give him
the power of withholding or paying the rate at his pleasure.
Another propmed remedy was to levy • compulsory rate on
the members of the setablirhed church. He was di-pored to
think that that was • satisfactory mode of settlement, but
rafter what bad taken place on the suhjeot in former pease, he
did not think the government could propose any plan on that
principle which was likely toSadacceptancewith teahouse. He
now cametotheobjectlonsagenst the billbeforetheborme. The
greet objection was that if the compulsory enforcement of
the church rate was given up the fabric of the church would
fall Into decay. He did not agree in that view of the came.
Those who were members of the house when the right hoe.
gentleman (Mr. Walpole) Introduced his bill last year would
remember the description which he gets of the calamities
which were likely to heal the nett= which allowed its ea•
mod temples to fall in salsa He quoted on that occasion the
lines of the poet—
Doliera raj mum inancritus Imes
Iterearie, donor temple refeeeris
"FAesque labentra Darien, et
Feeds nlgro eimulurs fame.
If the eight boa. gentleman applied that description to the
churches of France after the revolution of 1789, when the
temples of that country were turned to profane purpoug, it
would have been suitable; but it was in the highest degree
keppliable to the state of things in this oouatry, sad the
masses in which they acted. So far from neglecting the
age of their temples in this country, he should rather say
that church bullring and church srchitecture heel undergoes
a revival during the last ten or twenty years. (lieu, hear.)
Scarcely was there any subject to which so greet • number
of poisons had devoted their time end &battiest, some from •
reirgioas feeling, and some from a feeling of ere. A section
of the established church which approximated to itoncieh
doctrine. distinguished itself by the attention it
gave to church erckeecturs, sae others who dif-
fered from their in ratites/ views dietinguithed them•
ales by their munificent contributions and exertions for the
building or repair of churches. If thereon there was any
sin IWO likely to be expatiated than another by the people of
this country, that, sir, was not want of care end attention
In the maintenance of its temples. (Hear, hear.)
If, therefore, this 263,0001. was to cease, be did sot think it
would maks any arias difference in the appearance of the 1
church fabrics. It might have some effect in the Fermat
Fleeter, but it would sot have say marked tiled werally
throughout the country. His main objection tote abolition
of a compulsory rate was that if they remitted the obligation
where it was at present paid without difficulty, they thereby
tweeted • charge from one class of property to another.
(Hear, hear.) That appeered to him to be the most sericite.
°Matra to the roomers. But, as there was no prospect of
settling the subject by any of the compromises or 'elude..
to which be had referred, it was his intention to vote for the
measure now before the house. If parliament agreed to the
totel abolition of church rates, he thought that • dioceren
board might be established, with s powerUt gloating subsi-
dise in aid of the parochial funds if these weft found to be
inendicieut for toe proper malatemance of the church, like
these religious societies which were in the habit of giving *id
where the local fends were found naufflciat, but giving it •
legally cosetitated character. Ho wee not sow prepared to
lay any each proposal on the table of the house, bat he I
thought sow ewe plan es that might be adopted tf the bill
before the how were carried.
Lord J. MANNERS said that though else-were of the
speech of the right hoe. gentleman went to prone the fairness
re the ,recent els.ent or the injustice of the proposed we-
sum, to his greet astonishment the right boo. gentlemen
came es the cosoluaion of voting in favour of its seemsd read-
ies. (Hear. bear) .The right bon. gentleman admitted
that the rue was vellected without dtteculty in the rug

DEATH OF THE BISHOP OF SIERRA LEONE.—
We have to record the death of the Right Rev. Dr. J. Bowen,
Bishop of Sierra Leone, the third prelate of that see skies its
astabliehment in 1852. Dr. Bowen was for some years
resident in Canada, and havieg come to this country in 1842,
entered sa a student of Trinity College, Dublin, where he in
foe course groduated. He was ordained by the p-esent
Bishop of Durham, who had at that time the episcopal super-
vision of the diocese of Ripon. In 1847 be went to Palestine
and the East, and returned to England in 1861. Afterwards
he visited Nineveh, where be formed the acquaintance of Mr.
Layard, with whom he was sesocisted during many of his
in-
tensities inverigations. Ile vidted the Earl • second time
is 1864, and came beck to 'lnland *gala in 1856. Througrrenh
Mr. Layard, who is &relative of Lady Huntley, Dr. He
received from the Marquis of Huntley • nolniziatton to the
rectory of Orton Longurville, neer P,terheeougb,to which
he was fosiituted by the Bishop of Ely in 1851 Tie owlet
having but a smell population be obtained witbout dotliculty
a Deem of non-realdence, in order that he might indulge ia
his eastern travels. This living be held up to the time he
was appointed to the bishoptic of Sierra Drove, to which be
wee consecrated on the 23rd of &member, 1567. It now
remains with the Duke of Newoestle, the Colonial Secretary,
to nominate • fourth biebop or Sims Moue, who will hare
jurisdiction as his predeeetes `ors have bed, over the omit
oetweea 20 deg. north sue 20 deg. mutt latitude, and more
eepecisslt.llolle.
soirinbiipig.S.soob.,,ie tetra... Leon.
n:Th...th;i7:o.:amtuhintiot tliayalfOlototldt
some a• colonial &whir), &ad 4001. a yea' from the Colonial
' Bishoprics fur.d.

MR. CORWIN AND HIS CONSTITUENIS.-00 Tues.
etty evening a meeting of the Rochdale Reform Committee,
that haa taken the settee part in seaming the rennet of Mr.
Cobden for Rochdale, was held at duo Public Hell, Bai
iße-
street. The obje^t of the meeting was rwiscipally to consi-
der in what manner Hr. Cobden abonld It. asked to meet his
constitonsta Some took one view and Rome another, but it
wu et last agreed to *plaint a subcommittee to consider
the question, and report to the general meeting of the can.
edits*. A mooting of this committee was then held, but
nothing decirive was agreed upon. There are many who
consider the Pa' be Hall too mall for the purpose of re-
ceiving Hr. Cobden, se not only his constituents but the
country at Imp will lake great interest in the remount he
may nen for refusing to join the cabinet of Lord Palmer-
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