The Express.
London, England, 1860-04-17 00:00:00

(Stamped Id. Additional.)

Ho thought the i .orn wad a demoralising one. No ammo!
bounty would oneAtMact thiS• tsar:moo of them MOS-
&. liaised's' wear* to know what wfitiona with
4.10400 J. wkiala WM voted last year—whether,
gone in Ms sat of secret entice ef reeerve or not
ebb irliet wee about to he done with the 1011,000/. they
wegoaMilipoo to vote this year ? •
LEY wished to offer an *intonation upon this
question of the naval service. He thodght •that if the re-
patties. were simplified, the miler, like any other work-
ing mone would more readily eater the oar-
vtoe. /re could not understand why the Admi-
ralty should Mt enter men from where they pleased,
either from a shining, master or sot, and engage the men
for a month. Then it could be easily seen whether he was
an able seaman or not, and if he was not he could be told
los could tot be rated as an able Kaman, eon if lea liked he
I might go about his businea. All they lost would be ono
months pay.
0111.17 mizlit looe mune :is. or 4'. more; but
as every one wto give iimaisthing to try a hone and
other articles parctase. The fon was that somiso did
not like these questions. A man who kilos/ laiouself to be
an able seaman would fin expose himself to such an ex-
amination. (Meer, *or.) Theo the seaman was not son
of Lis rating if he went into the navy, became, according
thttie.prenent regulations, if a man was rated an an A.B. sea-
Min, there Was mein to nature his 6 ' rated in that
itif he wept to on. He reads them p c
the very ii..catt read them
Mit tor miner
thought theyrwme impaled oilleineWedthEllii
mad, to anon the earner. -I' •
. W. wiLcuire said that the-paint:admiral liod
admitted that one of the great drairbacks to men being'
willing to enter the navy was the use of the lash. This dis-
graceful punishment did not exist in the French navy.
Sir C. NAPIER—But the men are shot.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that it one only four or five
months nom a sailor in the British navy was shot for
striking an inferior officer ,- so that we retained both punish-
ments But let the lash be abolished in the navy, and
there would be no doubt about the Queen's ships Wing
well manned.
Admiral WA.LCOTT asked what were the qualifications
for earchnost in the onset volunteers?

Lord C. PAGET saicl,Mretly go the question of the
litht hon. baronet the member for Droitwich, the number
of coast volruiteers enrolled was 6,106. Of these he be-
lieved 4,008 were under drill. With regard to die sum of
110,0001., about which the hon. member for Sunderland
had inquired, a very snail portion of it had been
rand the rest was retdrned into the bands
il:* Chancellor of the Exchequer. The 100,0001.
intended to be voted this year would be immediately ex-
ploded in fitting up the two ships to be used as training
ship for volunteer ; eash skip to be • school for 2,000
Ur. The gallant admiral asked, whether they were about
As station efficient Inie-of.battle ships as coastguard vessels.
0. could only say that that question was still tinder the
otheadwation of the Admiralgy. As totals somber of the
local reserve, lie_believed it to be about 800.
Or C. NAPI :Masked the noble anti gallant lord whether
he islimed la his ccumience that the 6,000 men of whom
he had rpoken were Nally fit to go at motion board • man-
ed-war If so, the noble and gallant lord's statement was
directly opposed to that of Aihntral Martin, who had been
at the Admiralty longer than he bad, sad who said that
°lily 2,300 of the men were fit for service.
Lord C. PAGET said that his hon. and gallant friend was
pushing him tether close. Prom the returns he had re-
ceived t• appeared that 3,436 of the niea were first-late
seamen, who had been placed cm the coast guar' ; and 2,260
had bean placed on boned cwt-guard ships. Of these
some 300, he believed, were on board tenders.
Me could not venture to say that all these men were ing-
rate seamen. It must be remembered that this was a great
nursery for our seamen; and as men were drafted off into
the navy others were taken on board the shipe. Men were
at first induced to go on board the 'hips which they saw
lying off Dundee, Leith, and other places ; and then, finding
a isainaa's life not so disagreeable as they expected, they
went on board the fjueen's ships. lie beved, however,
that all these men would be available for the manning of
the na.
Bir C. vyNAPIER wished to know if these men were all re-
turned to the Admiralty as " fleet men."
In answer to a question from Lord LOVAINY.,
Lord C. PAGET said that the truth was, the advantadlie
held out to seamen were so greet, that there was not the
same anxiety as formerly. Married men were still desirous
of joining the coast gitard, as they had the comfort of •
cottage on shore; but octive stamen preferred remaining
la the fleet_. :4 • • •

not wish to grudge these wen any nseewary enjoyment ;
but he must say he thought this house accommodation was
excessive. At the same time the miserable sum of 1901.
was all that was awarded for the services of Roman catho-
lic chaplains. He gave notice that next year he should
move to reduce the vote.
SirC. NAPIER said that the noble and gallant lord had
not answered his question.
Lord C. PAGET—The number of civiliansed at employ
stations on shore was 1,386.
Sir C. NAPIER said he meant to take a division on the
question of block.slups. The matter bad been under the
consideration of the Admiralty three years, and during the
time they had been hatching only one egg had been pro-
duced—the Majestic. (A laugh.) School-ships were
wanted, and they could not have better ships for the par.
pose than the block-ships. He would move that efficient
ships should be placed on the station instead of block-ships.
Admiral DUNCOMBE said that the real difficulty in
getting men arose from the Admiralty not offering sufficient.
The practice of flogging ought also to be abolished.
Sir C. NAPIER, in order to bring his motion within the
terms of the vote, would move that the vote for the coast
guard should be reduced by 4,0001.
Lord LOVAINE said it had been proved in evidence
before committees on which he had sat that able seamen
scarcely existed in the merchant service. No wonder that
they were not able to get the article in the Admiralty when
it was nearly extinct.
Sir C. NAPIER withdrew his amendment
Mr. LINDSAY denied the alleged decrease of seamen in
the mercantile marine. In the last few years the windage
of the merchant shipping had increased by 2,800,0d0 tons ;
and the number of seamen must have increased in propor-
tion. He strongly objected to a return to the system of
compulsory apprenticeship. The number of boys now
training for the sea was as large in proportion to the
number of men as they were under the apprenticeship
system.
Lord LOVAINE repeated his statement that there was
not a sufficient number of able seamen in the merchant
service to afford a supply to the navy.
Mr. LIDDELL referred to the increase of steam vessels
as one cause of the decrees!, of able seamen. The increase
of tonnage alluded to by Mr. Lindsay was largely composed
of steam vessels.
After a few words front Mr. B. Jousirreirse,
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE deprecated the crowding of too
many boys together in one ship.
Lord C. PAGET said that the block ships were quite
unit foe the purpose, having no room below. The average
number received in each vessel would be 500.

The vote was then agreed to.
Inanswer to Mr. B. JOHN/MOIR,
Lord C. PAGET said he had not heard that the dis-
charged artificers from Woolwich were going over to
France.

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64,T1:21. for the scientific branch.
lir. BENTINCH wished to know whether any better
ri,;4lsfieltt had been made fur the supply of chrono-
meters to lie'. ship".
Admiral WAIAAra eilggesied tle.t roapestitit:t! :7et
commanders who bad chronontstem which they had pur.
chased themselves should be allowed to send them to the
Observatory of Greenwich, and, if found unfit, that they
should be valued for what they were worth, and an option
given to those officers to part with them.
Lord C. PAGET said there wasno sort of objection to what
the gallant admiral had proposed ; in fact, it was not a new
thing to do what he had suggested. With regard to the
number of chronometers, a late order of the Board of Ad-
miralty, which he hoped would receive the sanction of the
house, allowed to line.ol-battle-ships, frigates, and troop.
to gunboats
ships three chronometers, to sloops two, and
one.
The vote was then greed to, and the house resumed.
ADULTERATION OF FOOD BILL
The amendments to this hill WWI emisidered and agreed to.

MOM BILL
On the 'notion of Yr. OLIVE kayo eras given to brinA in
a bill for taking the omens in England.
The hone° adjourned at a quarter past 12.

INSTALLATION OF LORD BROUGHAM AR CHANCEL-
LOR OF IMB UNITZRAITT.—We roman) MG authorised to
state that Lord Brougham will installed as Chancellor of
the University of Edinburgh on Wednesday, the 16th of
May.
CIVIL SZILVICZ VOLUNTRIRB. —On Saturday the
Civil Service cOmposed of the Audit-Alas, Post-
ale., White all,
Revenue, and Admiralty companies
pre
ions for parade in the oourt.yard of Bomersethouse,
previous to proceeding to Wimbledon common for battalion
drill. Notwithstanding the wretched state of the weather
more than three hundred men were present, and after in-
spection, marched acmes Waterloo-bridge to the station,
accompanied by the band of the Grenadier Guards ; whence
they proceeded by special train to Putney. Having
marched from Putney to Wimbledon, the regiment was
wheeled on to the common, and put through various
monism...rem by their Adjutant elect, Captain Emus. These
movements, which were performed in the pouring rain, were
gone through with great steadiness and precision, and
showed that an extrsordinarilyrapidprogrmeNsd been made
kinoe the establishment of the corps. In entirely ignoring
the bad weather this regiment exhibited a spirit of pluck,
and a disregard of personal convenience, which miOt be
beneficially imitated throughout the volunteer service.