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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—Tsumney, MACE 24.
The Loan CU4110113.101 took his oat ce the woolsack

il;rWai-or:k.-
Lard TR URLOW took the oaths and his meat.
Lord PORTMAN preeested two patinas, from places
51127/17, ta favour of the bill providing that &waters may be
reads 4dleble to be misuse of endowed schools.
The Laominster and Kington Railway Bill and the Swan-
sea Vale Railway Bill were read a second time.
Purdy's Diaabilities Removal Bill ; the Belfast and Lon-
dmderry humtion Railway Bill; the Londonderry and
Los&Bwilly Railway Bill; the Traler and Killarney Rail-
way Bill; am/ Bury Saint Edmarala Oss Bill, wem
mink rod a third time and weed.
prig.
ne Calsolliditsi Pond (1,222,38 V. Be. 9d.) Bill, and the
Carolideptl Pend 01,000,0090 Bill, were read a third time

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TRADING COMPANIES WINDING-UP BILL.
On the ceder of the day for going into committee on this
MB,
Lord DONOUGEMORE, in anemic le Lord Grey, said
that elms the peeing of the Limited LAMM, Act, in 1866_ ,
I,ON compenies,- with a collective capital of 76,442,8871_i had
been embeend ender that act. Oct of them between 60 and
70 bad ceased their operations, and the remaining 1,030 had
at Feint a oapival of upwardn of 66,00 Di. It was his
opinion that the act had exhibited little prooo,actical result.
Lord OVERSTONE wished to know how much of the
capital of these comrade'
_had been paid up. Previously to I
liiivembe et Yr Resisted lAMB* AA, fa UM, he had
plaid cal the fraudulent prances which the sot would
develop, end the result bad justified his prediction, for out of
1,016 monazite between 60 and 70 had been already wound
The act me founded on dishonest principles, and he
should oppose it en every occasion.
Lord IiTANLEY of ALDERLEY observed that all the
argument. which had been urged against the present bill
wen used three years ago, and had not been borne out by
farts. The sob% lord had adduced an finance of fraud on
the part of a limited company, but all the gigantic frauds
which had within the last few rem been committed on
shareholders had been committed by companies with unli-
mited liabilit such as the Western Bank of Scotland
and the Royal' 'British Bank, inflicting en immense amount
of suffering both on the shareholder" and the creditors. On
the whets, the system of limited liability had worked saes-
Intorily, and he did not think any really anions chirps
could be brought against it.
Earl GREY considering the short time the new law lead
been in operation, saw in its working indioatioaa of great
danger as to the future, for it gave facilities to fraud, and
induced parties to serge in eon speculations. Re hoped
that what had peened would convince every man of ordinary
prudence that be ought not to trust a limited liability com-
pany with a single Wiling. Foe his own part, he would
take good core that no cheque oa a limited bank- should come
into his hands, for be would not trust such en establishment
111121 for the short limo necessary for presentation. (Laughter
and " Hear, bear.")
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE believed the noble
earl hid suffered from unlimited companWe—(a laugh)--and
therefore ought not to bare coafined his censure to limited
companies. If two or three cowed evil had arisen under the
eve &petal), their lordship! ought not to overlook the benefit
which these eminent.' had neatened on the community by
putting an end to some extent to the monopolies of great
capitalists. He approved of the bill generally, but did not
think the Court of Bankruptcy hid the power and the
machinery necessary to deal with cases under this act.
The house then resolved itself into committee.
The clauses of the bill, which numbered no fewer than 217,
were passed in rapid MCOMIIIOII, and with only one or two
verbal amendments, sad • word or two of explanation from
the Lord Chancellor or Viscount Donotighmore, in answer
to incidental questions from Lord Stanley of Alderley.
The title adopted for the bill was
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Corupenies Act
the
1869." The bill having passed roug committee,
house resumed.
MEDICAL ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
The ebovsbill rein through committee, end the house es-
armed.
EVIDENCE BY COMMISSION BILL.
Lord WODEHOUSE moved the nomad reading of Ms
bill, saying Items intended to remedy an acknowledged doled
in the law, sad facilitate the taking of the evidence of
foreigners or Mbar persons who were out of the United
Kingdom.
The bill was read a mooed time.
OATHS AMENDMENT BILL.
The Earl of CARLISLE moved the second ee Wing of
this bill without coranmat, and the bill was reed • mend
thee.
The report an the Indieteble Offences in the Metropolitan
Ilbtriets Berl was noshed.
The Manor Courts in Ireland Bill was mad a third time
awl paled._
Tiesle lordships sdjourned at seven o'clock.

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HOUSE OF COMMONB.-114 rits DAY, MARCH 24.
The Sezairs took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Caledonian Railway Bill, Glasgow Corpoestion Water
Bill, the Hints Lynn Waterworks, Markets and Borough
Improvement Bill, the Llanidloce end Newtown Railway
Bill, and the Londonderry Bridge Bill, were reed a third
time and pawed.
The report on the Laden and North Western Railway
(idgehill to Gaston) Bill wu corialatd.
NOTICES.
LOCAL ASINSONLIAT &INACTION BILL.-11T. Secretary
EITCOURT, to postpone the mooed reeding till Wednesday,
the 4th of May, in order to give the fullest opportunity to
pawns connected with charitable katitutions to oomaider its
provisions.
Mr. BARON BRAIIWILL.—Mr. BALISTIURT, t.O call th eat:-
tention of the HOAR Secretary,
tab
(this day), to
tain renialke said to have been made by Mr. Baron Bramwedl
at the wises at Bela, after the jury had found their ver-
dict in the cam of Dared charged with stealing
money from bieemployer ; and to al whether the right hon.
gentleman had any exp'snatione to offer with regard to the
conduct of the learned judge.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVINCT LL.—Me. BOUTERIII
to move, on the motion for manilas], that it be referred to
a select committee.
LORD CANNINO.—Mr. BALIARCILY. to Rik Lord Stanley
the dot. on which he naive& Lard Canning' s &vetch,
No. 261, 1858, dated the llth June; sod elm It
any mintre
or memorandum bad been placed on the books of the couned
with respect to the despatch No. 5, 1858, d.td the 9th Do-
' amber lest; if so, whether he would be [prepared to lay a
copy of it on the table of the house?
THE DIVORCE COURT.
Mr. JAMES milted the Attorney-General wbethem the
attention of bar Majesty's goveneneut had been drawn to
the large errear of canoes waiting for judicial decision in the
Divorce and Matrimonial Cause* Court ; and whether they
were prepend to propoee any statue, by the epee:Meant
of adslitiona judges or otherwise, to remedy the delay now
so much coniplaned of
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL add his attention had for
some time pact Ken called to the subject, which wu °neat.
tended with coneiderage difficulty. By the act of parliament
by,which the court WA/ constituted a power was given to
summon the aid of the chief ju
tstioes and other judges of thee
commo law courts ; but bed boon found that in
coneequence of their numerous and important awe min
ins,
a,
their &Madame with sufficient frequency was perfectly
mitaisle. Under these circumstances he had directed rectal°
inquiries to be made, the re.ult of which wool I eome before
him in the comae of a few d eye; end be should then
who submit
the whole maw to her Mejelity's government, would
no doubt take it into very
PIHENII.mama con duration.
THE
Mr. KINGLAKE Baked the Under-Seeretary of Sate for
Foreign Affaira whether say negotiation was pending be-
tween her Majesty's government end the governuu nt of
France with respect to a Presets yeast celled the Pheenin, of
Nantes, alleged to have been prevented frogs taking slaves
free, the West Coast of Attica, by her Majesty's steam sloop
Alecto ; and whether there would be say objection to
ley the papers relating to this matter arm the table of the
house?
Mr. S. FITZGERALD observed that it was hardly eor-
rect to say there were any nag Pen pendieg on this
subject between the two goveenniente; but representations
hod eertalely been made by the French government with
reference to the steam ship Alecto. Her Majesty's govern-
ment had directed the whole cue to be inquired into, and of
CORM until that investigation was Colllt Fetid it would be
out of his power to give the hon. gentleman any furihor
information. (Hear.)
HARBOURS OF REFUGE.
Mr. SCHNEIDBR asked the Secretary to the Treasury
when the evidence taken before the Royal Commierion on
Herboun el Refoge would be laid upon the table of the

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CONNOS LODOItia-zOttue.—This morning was
issued the report of Mr.W.C. Barrie, the A ..istant Commie-
airier of Police of the metropolis, empocially charAci with
control of comma ladgiag.houses, on the ...edition of single
tonne occupied by Ramifies in the met, p dis. The report
emitting a noise of cases, the result of obervatior recently
made by the inmectiog sergeants appointed under the Com-
mon Lodging-boast AM. With the farts three asses reveal,
the public are unhappily but too familiar crowding and
filth of the rooter, mingling of sexes, deficincy and
unwholmomenees of water and seceseary coos e
at 0,
and squalor and dimes thus engendere ; —such see
the
Cl. itacteristioe of the respective report.. "It is evident
fr. to this. ores," stye the Assistant Commissioatr, that
rill the rile whir the Acts 14 end 15 Vic. cap. 2s, sad 16
soil 17 Vic. cap. 41, wee. istended to remedy, still exist
atelier without abatement, in eingle rooms occupied by fami-
lies, single rooms so oxupled being exempt from the opera-
tion of the set. In many came the law is without doubt
es idol, lodgers and landlord falsely sesertiog relationship
of I. miles occupying the same room; and such cases fro-
tinently muss much difVeLy to the inspecting officers.
Where such relationship really exists, and many adults are
herded together night sad dsy, en the narrowest limire, all
il.cenry most be lost, and frightful evil is the consequence.
The causes Me the avarice of owners, and the p ,vrrty or
debasement of on: upsets; and the only hope of improvement
Mena tO he In ems lesislat ive eneetu,ent, I venture to refer
to a report on the operation of the Common Lwlgingsboursia
Act, made by me in 1637. Undone some legal provision is
mods, there is reason to fear that the operation of the Com-
mon Lodging-houses Act will be vi re incomplete, and that
Floats rooms will continue to be fatale causes of moral and
physical degradetion."
GREENWICH AND SOCTH-B•STZEN DOCKS BILL.
—The Lords of the Admiralty swat to this bill on tho fol-
g
lowin conditi That no of the estrogen
from the Themes to the dabs be tare without without the previous
approval and sanction of the Admiralty. 2. That no works
in the river Thames be commenced until detailed please( the
same have been irubmitt id to, and approved of by. the Ad-
miralty, and then only on plans so approved. 3. That a
eeißrneletering tide-gauge be erected by the company, sear
one of the 'oneness bile the river to the doer, ate site to
be approved of by the Adtuireity. 4. That no alterations be
made in the proposed works, as shown cm the parliamentary
plans, within the limits of dsvlation wet out, where the same
approach within 100 yards of high-water meek, without the
previous approval of the Lords of the Admiralty.
BARON BRAMWELL MID • WELSH JORT.—At
the Meriorthebirs &seizes the following scree look piece at
the ekes of a trial :—The clerk of the emit rhea—. Do you
tin,' the Felon:-e, Devil Williams, guilty or not 1411,1'Y
Foreman—. Net guilty." (Great ch.ering, which was at
one suppressed). The judge re meted the offi.o re of the
court to bring say owe before him whom they saw j. ineng In
the applause. and Fe would send him to prison. Ills lord-
'hip then addressed the jury r Gentlemen, you
have raid that you find Ike prisoner not guilty. Do
you understand the ere ? Do you uaderstand that it is
your duty to any whether or sot this sr received his ern-
er's monies end applied them to hi. own plummet
bo-ses say be is not guilty et se doing r Foreman—' Tea
sir' The judge (seephatinallyl—“Then lem award It Is
year wavelet, sad not mine." (assea•ion.) Addresdag Mr.
Mathew hie lordship rid, "Amy os se Mogltehman, str
Mr. Mathew—. em, my lord." Judge—" And your firm
is Eogilals. I sapper.' Mr. MotheW—" Yea, my kni."
Judge—. This should be a waning to Englishmen not to
isve.t their capital in Walt e."
The Prefect of Police at Paris hu just published
a list of fifty cabdrivers who have obtained recompenses or
honorable meadow for baring, in the courts of last year,
gives up money, beak core, rem Mee, jewerery, sad arti-
cles of value forgotte these their vehicles, The valise of the
property re
by man amounted to 421,453 D.

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Sir S. NORTECOTE understood that the evidence weak! I
be presented to the hour on ths 6th of the nest month.
POSTAGE ENVELOPES.
Mr. TURNER mated the Ikerstsry to the Treasury it Me
attention had been drawn toes adverdromeat in some of the
London amtrepapera of the 10th iastrat, from the Commis-
Wooers of Inland Revenue, inviting tenders for 1,160 tease
of paper for pester' acrotopir of an unusually lugs rise,
sad for which the meld board do aced thearelres wept
the lomat Mader ; atm, whether the worecomeart bed me-
eidered sad seactiosed the propriety of any of the public de-
mitiorents being at liberty to coats-set for the supply of paper
or watioaery, either for the public service or to be sold to the
public, wi,h,att reformer. to the cost of the article, beard ef
the contract beintj wads in the 'usual MOON by the Coos
troller of her Majesty's Stationery-dike with the party who
might Newt is the lowest tender ?
Sir S. NORTRCOTE said tbet paper required kw us
the
e by
the go. roc/lent itself was always procured through
Stotiosory-oleco, bat piper for postage swaps bad arms

been ordered by the oard of Inked Ravenna The paper
referred to bathe adßvertisement' was woofed is
of repremstations which had been made to the lard that
envelopes of diversity of Me end of Ime transparency
would be e. There maid be no lees to the country
through not accepting the lowed tender since the price
charged br the envelopes meld be Ihrectiely that of the
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n appointed to revise the scale of remuneration
le Wilmer and professional men engaged at assizes and mes-
sing le what portion of the matters rim' such report, if
=eabaded, and whether the government intended to
a ram liberal scale of remuneration to witnesses
and prolamines' seam teisned P
Mr. bremiery ESTCOURT said that the committee ea
this sablect yes appointed cat the 11th of May last. In the
repo mood' of July they lade a penal report, and their Soul
rt might be very shortly expected. Till then it would
not be possible to Mks any step, but the government had the
ftdisst casademes that the report would be satiefectory to the
pebble. (Hear.)
THE REFORM BILL.
Mr. MITCHELL vied the Chancellor of the Exchequer
whether the governmeat was to be understood to persist in
maintaining the uniformity of town end county franchise as
the prisoiplatel its bill for the reform of the representation of
the people? o•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It is im-
,pogille for ebb give a catageMel UMW 80 II WM. 01
this Mad addressed to me at this moment. It would require
a statement both of argument and of detail which could not
be comyremed within the legitimate scope of an answer to a
question addressed to a minister on this °maims. (Hear,
hear.) But I will say this to the lion. gentleman, when we
introduced a bill to amend the representation of the
people, it was the opinion of my colleagues and
myself that there was no provision in that
bill which might not, with benefit, be submitted
to that c dra and Impartial oonaideration—(slight laughter,
followed by loud ministerial cheers)—which the house bed
pledged itself to her Majesty that It would give to such a
Martin. (Loud cheers.) Without such • pledge on the
pert of the has, considering the circumstances under which
we acceded to power, that bill would certainly not have been
introduced. (Rowed cheers )
MASTERS AND OPERATIVES BILL.
This bill wie tad a moos& time.
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS
ILANLD REGISTRIES
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This hill was reed a second time.
PATENTS FOR INVENT lONS (MUNITIONS OF
WAR) BILL.
This bill was also read a sonond time.
THE REFORM BILL.
The detate on the nomad reading was resumed by
Mr. M. GIBSON, who said he speed with Mr.
Bright that there was no bill so revolutionary as a bed
bill. (Hess, hear.) It behoved the house to hesitate be-
fore ccesenthog to the proposition. What was the meaning of
the doctrine of Sir E. B. Lytton in claiming for himself
and his b ial friends to be the espec guardians of the middle
dares? (Hear, hear.) They wore now friends of the middle
close not "farmers' friends," as of old. (Laughter.) Could
anything be more dangerous than to have • party in the state
basing itself upon the exclusion of the great mas of the
working classes from political power and arrogating to
themselves to be the especial friends Of the middle clam?
(Hem, hear.) He Calked the doctrine of being the friends
of any ono clam. (Hear, hear.) He wished to see a full,
free, and fair representation of the people—(hmar, bear)—sod
unless they were prepared to reduce the borough franchise
they could not admit within the electoral pale any 00061411 t•
able portion of the working deem If it were not right to
admit the working themes to any share of political power
whatever let theta say to; but do not let tram mock those
demos with the delusion of a 801. mhos beak franchise.
(Hem, bear.) Rather tell them they were unfit, and that
the time had not come for their adnuesion. There wee no
role r mode to admitting In say coosiderable numbers the
industrious clearer in this country to the exorcise of electoral
power but by the reduction of the franchise in cities and
Uraghs. (Hear, hear.) With those opinions, how ought
a member to vote? The bill wee called a reform bill, and
It wee said they might emend it in oommiiteo ; but it was
sot raid ta when material and essentialamendments were
introdocedh t,
the government would adopt them. (Hear,
hem.) Nytten the ship was filled with the saleable mite
which Mr. Herman would put into it, the celeste and the
crew would abandon it. (Hoer, hear.) Where, then, wee
the use of trustieg to amendments in committee? If the
matter stood in a different position, he should be the list
man to argue in favour of any extreme course,
or to say that became a bill did not contain every-
thing that he approved it must be !ejected
1 ups the second readier. But this was a
totally different question. A teform bill must be viewed as a
whole—(bear, heer)—as a scheme, as a welloonsiderei
scheme brought in by a government; and they could not
deal with a question of that kind, affecting the bigheet
istmeste of the nation, as they would with a turnpike act,
where amendmesta might be introduced Into every chow.
(Hear, bear) Besides, Mr. Horemsn's process would after
all kill ad des the bill by • alow torture;and would it
not be bitter to save the time of the house by dieposiog of
these ential preliminary conditions by a division on the
resolution of the noble lord ? (Be.?,ear.) That was the
Lima course to the government, and the fairest to the house.
(Hear, hear.) They were not proceeding under say miaow
caption; they knew what they had before them, sod
what they were about to do. But if they west
into committee, as had been recommended, without any
understanding as to what was to to adopted by the
government, and carried through parliament, whoa
would he
the bill came oat of committee. theytaking the ,
moat unparlimentary and puerile counts that he bad ever '
heard suggested in the treatment of any great pinball''
same. (Hear, hem.) It oat not for him to meter the
Wheelies that had been so copiously thrown oat to submit
1 odor mimes of reform, in order Hist new image might be
, raised, and that their attention might be withdraws fro m the
1 Mimi before them. (Hear, Ivor.) Be Mid moaned his oh-
serrations simply to the bill end tha ansemdment. He would
sot travel from the (patios. He would sot shadow forth
schemes of reform that in his aphids might be desirable, nor
would he allude to the schemes of reform that other members
might think ought to be adopted. Parliamentary Tao= was
essentially a question that must be dealt with by the Weis-
ters of the mown. (Hear, hear.) Parliamentary reform
must be carried by a government, if ft ever wee carried, that
bad the coeedence of p uttermost —(bear, hasr)---and bia
belief wee that we should live to ma the day when, after a
good mouth of pate imagery redone, we shoed hare
governments that enjoyed the confidence of the Home of
Commons, and Houses of Commons that *eyed the confi-
dence of the ceuntrv. (Cheers.)
Mr. ADDERLEY said be would make an appeal twho
sr re inclined to support the noble lord in his junction with
throe who desired to introduce a novel principle in the
electoral system of the country would do well to recollect that
the promo was the last opportunity tsey might have of
manila up f x the existing principle of a
qua-
lification pounded on verity. This bill, which
was preposed by the party who were naturally
moot cautious of change, ofteded a golden opportunity
to those. persons of standing up for the existing principle,
and saving it from the antagonietie one. If the measure
I.a.,ed from their hands it would be hande I over to abe
less mod dangerous agitation. Not that there was any pipsset-
kir ri, le rut in favour of the suffrage. (Heir, bear.) The
people never agitated is favour:of an ex. mien of tbe suffrage.
(Ironical cheery.) Even in 1830 arid 1831, the storm off that
period woo not got up by persons who desired the franhise,
but by political agitators who, upon other ground felt discon-
tent, and smarting under that dismutent were ready to join
in soy recitation to gain their own ends. It was &grave matter
of cooeideration for the great whiff
party whether they meld
flue rate the attempt male by the government to settle this
question, or whether thoy would Mood it over to I c settled by
those who adroca.ed the principle of a numerical majority.
He warned them of the result to the country when they sr- ,
,
rived at the principle of Myer-sal sulfrege. They knew the
result in throe countries where the experiment hai been
made. They knew the result is Rome, when attire the social 1
war the brinier* had been thrown down, and the pee* were
indiscriminately admitted to power. Then it was thst the
Commonwealth woe dissolved, and despotism put in ire
place. (Hear.) Even the President of America, r.Bachanth.
diepitted with the h ai. genileumn the member M
for Birming-
ham the suitability of universal suffrage to a coontry like this.
He (Mr. Addrricy) would my that this country under
univeraal suffrage would not produce even ro good a result art
America did, for our old asmciatior 1 and institutions would
not convert so eerily as in an American democracy. (Hear,
bear.) The mutt of beeeking down all distinction and
giving the franchise to the lowest clams would be not that
you would arrive at liberty, but that yes would make way for
wild ambitions, and trample oa what he would coil the bone-
Scent power of the popular aseembly. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. HEADLAH (who rose with about twenty other can-
didates for the Speaker's eye) sad he regretted the bill had
ever been plead on the table, bacoutae it placed the great
country party In a false pc:Man and would create a feeling
of jealousy between the coundes and h
in the
boroughs.
this He
billbe-
lieved that the government, in bringing forward ,
had been actuated, not by any desire to promote the
thpuem-
blic
'stereo*, but by a wish to gain a party advantage foe
selves, and that opinion was held in every boroug
country. He regretted also that this bill had been intro-
dam& because it would renew the moat between town end
county, which bad been laid aside since 1832, and be should
feel it Ide duty to oppose it.
Mr. BENTINCK bad listened with great Interest to the
meatehmourisse. efuolliefehbidrltigh t
poipltiiiinal. mwpehaermlbFloh@o
efarirwtAetfolorgabt dmddi
asosassitlreadhowfintbe t
bins

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F.53n.i7.:4

ration of tine views of thou with whom he wee politically landowners ; men who in their own localities were
ceded, Is conjunction with the noble lord, in defeating the
asixtat4bill. Theyandheardtbethe7steherthadlayin, ontandineddistopretableit alheYntherig4t; Fritioltritibsyl laden lofearetelyd.
to be fitting representatives of the places in
IThsookedba:ps
soto,it
mean:ander:
hes:et:neat
thet of the hen. member for Walsall, that the noble lord and of each of these deems the working clue would be the
the hon. member for Birmingham would be found mailing• In able judges, Witten, either the ability or property dentin..
into the same lobby In the division on the resolution. He judge of both. Of the statesman, the facilities afforded by
thftgtheboatsmainhtwhitb:ecahtLheowb:hadchkedPbra:wboarkwaledfi..,:dtrio.....Pnillyingthe eimiledgmtha
gellsgiffililti%)7lll2-jatTo—othetoyethowhek:e :menamanambenaal"wuhloofdwwsmerailepchibeemema:""fot:
different principles from thou on which any boat in which their local within =only, the working MILD would be ed
De bad previously appeared was built. He was very likely to geed &judge as asy other. The working man might well be
the boat ; and he might depend uponowilti,theits,
iwthemapparedhe mato
catch • crab," and find himself in the sad at the bntons of unequal to the tan of legislation bi le bt he would be
filly
eillaweretc'notthalgeztariot choosing
nom ecetnohcen:mhiwtsch.o wltuowagidabissidbitheat
eats st the bottom he would beta be allowed to get up govern the nutty.
(Lauhter.) The hoses They hge been told that the wori4
ttr.., to r more about this boat ; they ought to know they impeded the alums in the agitation against the
whether the noble lord or the hoc. umber for -Birmingham men laws. Now with maid to this, he would remind the
was to be the co:swain—whether the boat wee to be steered how that se far bock as 11118, when the corn laws took the
down the Orem, and if so, at what we. They ware WI. shape ender which they bad recently existed, the working
titled to inquire who was to be the leader and who the fol. dames 'amorally protested whist them, and showed
illionwhader. minbemeikdembrerucobair Bausrtad. irAlimingitagath.ggimewert;LeantoptPrewmiticalkilluese-thaith. tatiogebiabebiatertlemNiviitscausebdi. ereTfhPiliat4l6:llideitti"lof theiniath.tameathinisafteacinthtuteiren-cmll,Karelliaanwthettsgioyf
dated. (" No," from Lord Jobs Rumen.) Me WWI also banned that the repeal of that law ought to be preceded
glad to hear that &nal, and he hoped it would be by • measure of parliamentary reform. These thugs ant
confirmed by the hon. member got Birmingham. He AM the working dames aloof for a time; but *they made& Ina-
contended, however, that until the noble Iced had fully ere- take for • few years, he:woule ask the great leaders sad seen
planed his own views en the manioc of reform, be had so of it that house—did not they too make •se
tt?
right to be an impediment to • reform bill introduced by (Cherie.) not they cleave to proteollim ke
.118kaathekothk.ferkkm(side0ILdism.o.)of TWthe hogmatwuskekkik..kawdilarel'es toani7fyeoetk.tf,oPialkad.kai"theiligsaintreekkihca illiit heabmilbeektdi:wmmitsillatbilielliiworkbewok:ggpscimeesc"Nlo.ketaidreffekkkia thiwTheneroof
bed joie istenstai front the setae Iced that Mend the hen. of attingluan ban relined to. He aught bow-
henenaber Of Iltmelegtelm. wen MS widely at nehmen en Ow Byer the the wealth, MU Men set the only Om who sliest
subject of reform. Linder than CifeaMalaDOSS If wu impco- in the way of improvement when it aided their llveltheol.
Bible that the question could be dealt with be a satisfactory He remembered instances of claim far above them taking
and efficient manner by those who were now in opposition, very mach the sum course. Its remembered the recent case
By bandying this question from one side to the other they of the proctors. (Cheers.) He remembered how long and
would lower that home in the estimation of the country, how successfully then gentlemen opposed improvement, and
till it had lost all its influence ; they would give such a shock how handsome a computation they secured for themselves
to the constitution that it would gradually Mee pieces!, and, In the end. (Cheers.) He had been gratified, as he had
after having floundered for a time In a political degradation 'aid, by the calogiuma which had been passed on the other
like that of America, they would be driven as • last resource side of the house upon the middle classes ,• but when he
to take refuge in despotic institutions like those of Francs. heard the able and eloquent speech with which this bill was
ttbs(kisLaugrkiletter..)kadhicHhgooahet. mrEdte:biny:i.teahatklfaojtS,N.b..wdtnint hitterovtiodtabi piastre.
in/fetelguceTtlikribetzdeoykeeterlinEgottk.keetieP 49ribadowntthkeothpklese,
kresEteillec..enrtbtkdeehfirmkkknourer.
He entreated bon. members opposite, however, who were cellar of the Eachequer, and the merobw for liertfoedddre
not under the influence of mere party motive', and who had (Sir R. B. Lytton). They and ho were then both amongst
the good of their country, really at heart, not to allow than- them vim went furthest in their feelings for reform. (Hear,
selves to be made the puppets of faction and the anointment' lat_ no) A great change had come over his right hon.
of personal ambition. (Chaffs.) filth de—thear, hear)—he plainly perceived that they both
Mr. W. I.F.
F. Dateteort and Mr. Teedismi Hwy rose had had very clear and strong reasons for the
togethee, bat In obedience to load cella of "new member," the (Hear, hear.) He would not my of either of them art7l
bitter gave way. Mr. Denten, who spoke from the oppod- smith said Of Burke,
lion side of the house, said, in reference to this matter, the " Who, born for the universe, narrowed hie mind,
home bad to satisfy the just expectations of noweintors es And to paety pee up what was meant for mankind ;"
well as elector sad, hiving asked himself whether the bill ha would not intimate anything of the hind. But he would
wae likely to do this, he had arrived at the unchain that It say this to both—Noterithatanding the change which
would not. As regarded the countin, the bill enfraaehised has taken king yourself, make some allowance for the
hi one direction and disfranchised in en other ;as regarded on wo classes. Daring all this time what
the boroughs, it did nothing. Was it likely to pat a stop to ban you seen in thereto give rice to feelings of condemna-
egitatioa, or to prove a permanent oddment of the question P don rather than of sympathy, of exclueion rather then come
In his opinion, decidedly not. It was hardly possible to con- prehension. What mime can you lay to their charge?
mire the cam of a bill being received with a greater amount What was their behaviour when all Europe wee convulsed?
of disfavour by the onantry. Its enemies were active its (Hear, beer.) What have they boss in times of war and In
friends lukewarm ;no patine in favour of it had bet:e'en- times of woe, in times of prosperity and in times of priva-
anted ; and as yet marcaly • stogie liberal member of that don? Han they not borne every &ante aed they
trouble
house had athoosted Its being peon
with. If the bill In • way to call for your admiretion? Though they have
wee to be entirely altered in committee it would have been seen promise after promise broken to them, and have bed
bet's if It had contained nothing more then • preamble. to suffer all the annoyance of hops deferred, they have
Mr. L. KING said, considering the oceicestion which still had is their minds the unextiwoishable conviction tbat
the government had nine of what he had advocated for they deserved the franchise ; the unextinguisbable hope tbat
some years, rim, a 101. franchise for counties., it might have they should one day obtain it. He treated that they would
been expected that he would vote for this bill ; but they had, not only soon be included in the pale of the constitution, but
In far', so mutilated his echeme by their manner of dealiag that they would there receive &joyous and hearty welcome.
with counties es to have the life and spirit out of it, and (Load chews.)
therefore he could not support them. (Cheers.) His bill Mr. HOPE seeing that the only objections were thou
we. • very simple one. The object of it was to extend the freest of detail. which could be removes] in committee, would
chin to • very de/erring and intelligent class of voters, without neaten give his 'meta the snood reading of the bill.
disfranchising any one. It did net profess to be • reform Mr. OSBORNE said he thought the government had fully
bill ; whereas this bill was a reform bill on the face of it, and rade: mad the pledge they gave teat yeas, but that it would
Tat one of rte leading features was the disfranchisement of • leave been bettor if they ted proceed
be
in a larger and more
class of county voters, namely, the 40a. freeholden liberal way to settle this queetion, for unless it was settled
reading In boroughs. (Hoar, hear.) He should upon • permanent basis, it would be better not to bring
expected that say government which proposed in a reform bill at all. Why was • reform b
henill
• Reform Bill would have adopted some of the called for ? The act of 1832 wee defective In
principles of the bill of 1832. Tie should have supposed totally omitting the great body of the working classes from
that boroughs like Caine and Arundel would have been con- the franchise, and if a reform bill was wanted at all, it was
rimed to the same tomb as Old Sarum and °Mtn but in to redren t
hish grievance. Did the bill proems to do it ? Sir
fen boroughs, the name of which would scarcely be filaWM. B. nd exertion told the house that be declined to
beret if the
did not memo members to refitment, remained admit the working men to power, and tbey were never moor
untonclied,.and if the bill was puled to-morrow, all the an- Weed in the bill, except when they were to be did's'',
isting causes of gelation would still tis In
full force. (Hear, Weed, as the dockyard labourer". The honoureble.gentlee
hear.) The preprint to elistranobise the 40e. fnebolders man coationed i—With regard to these venous i fancy
looked like lunge for the peat width some of them took franchisee," I must say that I quite agree with the hon.
In
carrying free trade, and thine mambas who member for Bimtogbam—thongb to say so I thipposte will
astieted in establishing it
herald be moot tin- be, *wording to some hon. gee tlemen on the other side, to
grateful if they wonted. Tre were five things admit that lam a reeolutiocost. Os Hear," and a laugh.)
which must in his opinion form pert of any
.Reform Bill ; I agree with that hon. gentleman that these fury franchisee
Ord, the disfrencbisement of email sad insigoilicent towns; are not the things fur the Tootle of England. They are the
secondly,the enfranchisement of a number of the larger end mere political millinery of Downing.strtet. (Loud opposition
more (mportaneotowns erthizelly, an extension of the fran- cheers sad laughter.) What we want hi • broad arid simple
chile in counties; fourthly,
of an extemion of the franchisefranchisein ten Have variety of suffrage if ylike, bu
tuons have been
t let the test be
borougba, was to include a substantial portion the wen- broad and Ample. (Cheers.) r
I lag classee (Hear, bear.) There seemed to him to be the asked me as to what lem for. I confess that lem for •
1 main elements of any toms Bill. This bill was wholly property test. (Hear, hear.) I admit that that is an int-
wanting in them, and be felt therefore that it was quite un- pereset test, but still it is • test which raidple and can be
worthy of say teethe,' consideration. nadentood ; because, as has been wellby one of those
Ile. DUTTON, who spoke from the ministerial side, mid writers of "deplorable rubbith" to whom the right hon.
It was his intention to vote against the reaolotion ; not,
pre' (Sir Ee.B. Lytton) Ina alluded, the inheritance of
however, because be di/seated from its principles, for property implies eduestion, and tbe acquieilien of property
he entirely concurred in them (oppoeition theirs) Implies istelligence. Therefore, I say, what le the nos of
but became it vas bis opinion that the proper time these fanc(nudges@ ? (Cheere.) Then tithe the lodginghonae
to Welder them was in committee. franchise, which is put forward ea such a boon to the gentle-
Mr. W. J. FOX said that the hoe. member seemed to men in the smock-fro:kJ and fustian jackets. I find that the
sloe with the amendment, end yet to vote against it ;be oh- wages of an %intelligent mechanic amount to about I-10th
eleted tothebillasitatood,endyet intended togneithissuwet. of his income. (Loud laughter.) The right hon. goolemen
Kew th• bon. member tecolleiled this line of action was boot
theyver well endetatand what I mean. You proems to give
knows to himeele. The hoe. member said that the resole- erobies to men who lay po. a week, or 2el. • year.
don miebt well be put as en amendment afterwards ; and in Row many amehenice do you suppose that will admit?
so speaking he re dry, &Molted te the very principle which How many auchenies do you suppose have an income of
the mullein embodied. Throughout the course of this 2001. a year ? worker' this is • cunningly &rind scheme
detente he (Mr. Fox) had listened very anxiously to hear if ato keep out the chose, and ea to tthi lodging-home
word of eccusation could be made sedan the workiageleasee, toutehiao which is completely at the mercy of a ',outing
sad lie had heard none. (Hear, bear.) lie had heard streag ludiady or a pinny chtmney, it is a delwion. (C
beers.)
Redwine of the middle claw.. The boon had been told by Then as to the savings Make franchise, which is
bon. and right bon. geollemme opposite that the middle somewhat better than the other, it is very quest-
chases really. governed this country ; dust they were the able If yeu sill bring in the working Omen by that.
great pre lomumot power ; that to them was to be traced Yon might bring M a body of amall capitalism but not the
teen great measures of improvement and reform which working cleans by the 801. savings baok degoesit. I will not
within a time is
was recent bad brooms the law of go into the question of the 201, peusion franchise, which
the 1 and. This was very gratifying to a man like himself, must be government puska be it remand. ered, or the school-
who had the greatest roped and admiration for the middle master*, who must be medicated by goveromtht—thear)—
clan •e. But hiemust say it came very oddly from those by or the doctor* sect lawyers who have votes already ; but is
whem thaw hole of those manna carried by the middle there any one of these fancy franchisee by which toe working
dames had been uniformly opposed. (Hear ) This was the men would have the advantage of the vow ? I challenges the
mere tatraordinaey as there were at this very moment genteel,. non the Treasury benches to show that there ie.
measures before the home in which the oppoeite party But they know there is not, and they tell on frsnkly that
aid the middle duos were et issue. At that very moment they do net went the working classes to have the franchise.
the mi Idle clue had spoken very decidedly grind church (i Hear," and "No.") The noble lord the Secretary for
rates—the government party approved them. At that very India qaotes Mr. Holyoake to show that the worker, distal
time the mead's Class Waa making for the ballot--(" no," from themeless, do not watt it. Don the house know who Mr.
the opporition)--the appetite party refuted to give It. The Holyoake is? From the winner in which the nobe lord re-
middle classes too were s Olen us that the francbtietshotald be &teed to Mart am almost Inclined to think that the house took
extended to tbe workieg ordere, and Ws too the party op
him for the eldest eon of • remineble Northamptonabin
cite were naming. The great objection which bad been made baronet. (" Hey," and a laugb.) Mr. Heljoilke is • clever
otng the suffrage to the workirg clone wee that political leetwer, of very free-think ng opinion.. Ido not
theyte would swamp the dames above them by their numbers. wonder at the bon. member foe North Warwielabire shaking
Now the middle close was far mote numenom them the Boardd go gravely when he finds the President of the India
class above them and if there sae any truth and future prime minister of Ragland, quoting an in-
in this argument' against the working clames, it fidel let tutor ae au authority to guide pertinent as to the
ought to be the feet —as in truth it was not— wishes of the working clasper. (Hear, bear ) The hon.
that the middle clue swamped the clue shove it. (Hear, member for biaidetne said that the Mee freeholder had
Mar.) He always regarded a Reform Bill as a bill for the only been enfrenebieril ghee 1832, but the noble teed did not
earameipadour of the working sleene—what other object could Pay ao. But what Wa, the reason for disframbising them
there be for such a measure I' They bed &maimed so far se Was there any akellaa, ion brought against them on anent
they could the other chaos. but the extortion of the rights of their being nod ? Wu there ,toy gemmed= brutish!
of the winking slums was the one thing ids neinl with the &edam them on account of their ne te Mdecondent r
very idea of reform. The middle classes carried the Reform No. Yet you Dave here milated the mw there
mono. who
Bill of 1832—they canted it by the of their union, always were mad, and loss is become they ndependent
sad you adopt the I roam-
witiatlict
uthkedemaidtkokt
dthinegotkkorktialkhcelassw:k,ikaidaere.
eFi.kh two very
wrykitii
dtha.c.t theyd. rep.ollknaioxciokuilad.r.7ie virtues of the heels have
their own datum, they were on a future owe, teen out this mem
don to here the aid of the middle classes to averting their them
el dm. Well, they had waited for this year after chinos, system of uniformity. If there were no other_ part
year, old now we found that • wet of bribe was held ant to of the till upon to °ejection thtst tsbit . libtolieevtlimekil.ouisi:
glstnheoLucl.ifipei:g
Athendmsikeyth?e liTeito
rev
sod exteeding
the middle classes. They were peaked and landed, and of Commons li is suiticinti iset nd
ot to a ttu the di.fran.
petted—for what ?to recoseile them to a meanest directed men ouriom and.tred
Po"; to
anth
thleast, the
im pviTerdkinpg„taraimr,(achee.nd to
.ren) dlicer them
w. ntrnotacohe.ronds
kehimene.,
doenstik%f tibia Ole's; cred.idit
wibleitkte
it osilleentorkorso..gTre
three who would aid the working curse" in this matter with The Cliancellor of
the et oquer gave.lne his idea of what n
raided it
itandah Ado' I e uelt.ttenrY
bit by bit legislation. When, POWs rare
those a who bare cleared to meg acres of (land; thee, berought, because they are smell but I object to them in
roe they site"usidewritehhe cohOtruil do: anopteotbrOmn.t (Her.)
measure—the emeneirtion of the negroeslgwees, that
re .gedlo,rtuatis 117rice"genhoeuhgli!WOdol'i,:._iodHeyes d,k s_ e to,, g mol
it done
tdeonr esolltritafetw Dyebirsthe.y saywiltil wie.w.ileil
vti.rt:t erthomneip.deho empsinsomob:..
too will elmmetp
,ateo An when the r ght hen. gentlemen referred to Arundel.
Hese and added that the member for that borough represented
declared that theMsferwant they were free men,end' that t
as astonish me in dm political world it yea bearteg eta to
equivalent tod meat. (Hear, hear.) New, what is the cwe of Arundel ?
area
Be
lfatecattititilieniach"No eghtlouige4hyly;emaiebdelorath:;:ineelY them et once;
einem 1)00,000 Rottien catholic*, I must say that if en) thing could
thi:he wool I fled that previous to the Reform Bill if 1832 Arundel re-
ng tuned ten) members. Since then the coaraitueney hale
hem could dwindled down from 400 to 198 ; and how did Lord Scorn,
:ouremw.seas of
ima mra.)enilituodne.laktimdtek.neoblcloctienswwayb. ,
who eat In this house, and to whom I suppose the right hon.
many. Ho bine•lf did not gentleman referred—bow did be represent the interests of the
perhaps, could barter do so then k
us
right
,
on a vole until the an of dean wall be new t ttee 900,000 Roman esthollos of Ruglend r• In 18.57 that maim
roved smog with which the privation of that right me t -mate meanie. the Ecclesiastical Till's liill palls&
d'6B.ll:;:rid:yn".l.coonv .°eroltsb•s('ttiltfe rftlibinp.secaerio)femth:::Plagstai°ono tobil:bene
oto,pooet (Hear, hear.) It was enroothisee said that the I voted against it, and, I remember, go del the
3:tork
Hi
...
wetking classes bad not the qualifications requisite for noble lord thr then member for Arundel. Bat
making adm use of the right of voters. One learned and what was his fate far se doing, aad what become of the
good deal of the memory qualifications for an elector. 9011,000 Roman embolic.? He was obliged to quit Ms seat.
Trelmayawere told that an elector must have a knowledge of He got • hint from the proprietor i
re Aran iel to leave the
home an 1 toners politics, of the principies of pelitical borongh, and ISM obliged to take fuge in the city of
econesny, and of many other things; qualifications were Ltmerick ; ea that the representetive of the 900,000 list
required of him greater, paler, than en examinatioa wool& catholic@ of Ragland ww, become he voted for thew, cora.
be found Is teeny members of that house. (Hear, beer.) pelted to reverent them through the cty of Limerick.
4
Now in reply to 'bee be would point out to them that the (,Cheers.) Could the home have a batter loosen of tbe
members of tbe Howe of Commons w mainly composed lames,, dim system than in this, according to the Tighe
of two claws. There wee the elan o men who math poll. hon. gen the Mee ideal of boroughs ? (Rear, bear.)
tied affairs the study of their days—men nriesatioal Now, I want to know what are the reasons that have bum
public men—men whose lieu belonged,
to their country. The other clue were tea of kg* noble lord ? Some very strange reasons have been it might be assigned why we should vole against the rriolaties el the
standing aid posittoe—astashurs, ntandastanas, or on took sides of the bow, but especially on this. ;14111