The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-21 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.--MONDAY, Ararar 20.

ROYAL ASSENT.

The Lord Chancellor, the of Arg 11, and Viscount
Sydney, sat as Royal Commiasiosere, sail gave the zwYnt
assent tothe following bills : l'sonsolidsted Fund (10,000,00 U)
Bill ; the Census (Scotland) Bill ; Corrupt Practices Pre-
vention Act (1854) Continuance Bill; European Fares
(India) Bill ; Poor-law Continuance Bill ; East India
Stock Transfer, Bill ; Prisons (Scotland) Bill ; Lands
Clauses Consolidation Act (1845) Amendment Bill ; say-
nooth College Bill ; Hamilton and Stnithaven RaihtlyWl;
Forest of an Central Railway (No. 2) Bill; Atheey and
Enna Junction Railway ltill ; enthuses Road (No. 2) Bill ;
Beanchamp's Almslion-os Estate Bill ; Domain Estate Bill;
Duke of Norfolk's Estate Bill; Earl of Longford's Estate
Bill ; Lorton's Estate Bill ; and Giustiniani's Naturalisation
Bill.

The Loan ca.uicivaz took his seat on the woolsack at
Ere o'clock

LAW REFORM.
The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice that on Friday
be should call the attention of the house to the measures of
law reform which had been introduced in the present mis-
sion, and should make a statement on the subject.
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
Some verbal amendments were put and carried, and the
bill passed through committee.

SAVINGS AND FRIENDLY SOCIETIES'
INVESTMENTS BILL
The Duke of ARGYLL moved the following resolution :
"That, inasmuch as the postponement of this bill will with-
hold a power of effecting • considerable annual saving
which may be made under its provisions, and will thus
practically modems for • time an unnecenary liability on
the public, the circumstances which require legislation on
this subject appear to this house to be of such mid urgency as
to reader the immediate oonsideration of the same necessary." '
He said that it had been suggested that this was • bill of
supply, and therefore that it did not cane under their
lordship.' cognisance. The fact MY that it was a bill
which affected thepublic securities. The House of Com-
mons bail thought at fit to empower those in whose hands
were lodged the savings banks' deposits to obtain
better return for those deposits by exteoding the
field of investment Now a measure of this kind, although
technically it did not come under the lacript oa of a bill of
supply, was for all practical purposes, be considered, •
money bill.
Lord REDESD ALE mid he could not hold that, because
nadir the bill the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the
Oonuniniosers for the Redaction of the Nat' Debt were
ocestiteted trainees of this national fund, with increased
pormof investment, therefore this was • money bill.
MONTEAGLE said he protested against the con-
struction which ppve to this measure the character lea money
bill. No seek deaiiot had our been arrived at by tithes
house of parliament. This bill was founded upon the re-
commendations of • committee of the whole house, and the
ut that this was • mosey bill because it proposed to
argument that
problematical amount of saving, in the abeeoce
of any proof to show that this saving could or would be
made, was wholly fallacious.
The LORD CHANCELLOR earnestly invited their lord-
ships to pet a liberal interpretation upon their resolutioo am
to the lass day on which they would read bills a second
time ; for he was convinced that if they construed it rigidly
it would moon be found to trench upon the privileges of the
other house, and nine the prerogative of the mown.
Earl GRAN VILLE was understood to congratulate the
noble lord near him on the resumption of discussion upon
the terms of courtesy usual in that house. As the question
of privilege lied been raised, be wished to make an explana-
tion ea the part of the Speaker of the Noose of Commons.
From a report which had appeared of their lordships' pro-
'lndia.- -he could not tell whether that report wee awn-
rode or act- the right hon. gentleman inferred that he bad
lose alatxnl with criticising the conduct of their
Lill,_' house but the right hon. gentleman wished
to =phis, that though be had given an opiates
• the irrigation of privilege, he said nothing respecting the
einedece of their lordships house. That fact, however, so
hp from weakening his (the noble earl's) argument, in
reality only strengthened it. As to the question whether
this hill was or was not • money bill, he had only to say
theta 1.1111111110 whist might have the effect of saving even
100301. •yeer, tld thereby relieving the public taxes to
that opmeinh wee mu that aerial the pnvileges of the
ommise he wise than many of those smaller questions
while hod Mon, sad In which those privileges were held
to be involved. (Hear, hear. )
The hid of DONOUGHMORS maintained that their
hodskips bed • right to reject any bill whatever—(year,
bear)--end, is agreeing to this resolution, they did it is
coder to meet the wishes of the government, and not ea in
any degree admitting that the house had acted improperly
in rejecting the bill. (Cheers.)
Lord REDIADALE also laid their lordships acaplai the
bill on the aseuraae• of the goverment that it wag of peg
impulses* ; but be confessed that ha did ughloolf swe ill
The resolution was them agreed to ; sad • •
' The Duke of ARGYLL moved the as of
the bill.

MORTRAGLE complained that tie' Iw► had
recsieed no distinct explanation of the nismissit Hs
thought there ought to be a provision in the Lill preventing
the use of the name of the earinp banks by institutions
that were not established under the act of parliament.
He hoped, therefore, that the noble earl (Granville) would
sameat to the addition of the clams he proposed wham the
bill had rose through committee.
Earl tIRANVILLE would consider the clause, to see if
it could be inaluded at the third reeding of the bill.
The hill was read a second time.
FORTIFIOATIONR, PROVISION FOR 111111011. •

RILL .
Esti GRANVILLE movsod the mood =digs of this NI

Lord ELLEN=ttla regards& this importnat bfll
with the greatest Joe. Foe yaws ha bld at -
tomapesd to call the alMeation of auearriw govenwestin to
Illsallaost ashasslm dodo et the armary, es hs osafraille
igigi that lingissd sitsald not rennin wanend mad 4,-
, Ist Ha nafrist of ea armed weld. He regretted
Inessures hid sot Not taken with ressi
of Sandown, in the Isle of
nod la providing damns for the dockyards:la
in. which Woolwieli would he )tit would tnaterially
the wens of say er...ion which might be
with a view of attacking London. Woolwich ought
the citadel of London, and the arsenal, if properly
would make an attack on London impossible.
is he thought of the volunteers, and of the spirit
animated them, they_ could not, he feared, set alz:
as regular troop. in the field, and he therefore regretted that.
no enlargement of the regular army was contemplated. .
an enlargement was imperatively neceenty, and the Poona,
dans reside the better for the security of the country. Noma
tho world had less idea than himself of placing • military
Les in the hands of the government for offensive opera-
fissa He desired notkuig but *Mize security for the country,
Wlatrivasion. Re andd not only
of
desiring to avoid thik
horron of invasion,so, including the destruction
1 nd the ruin of trade, but because he was quite sun
that if an enemy', army were three weeks in this country $
would be in vain for us, no urger Imo the retirement of
that away might he easeted or sbteinsd—it would be impos-
s ler us -practkelly to re-establish the constitution
o which we lived. H hill perfectly sotbilled '
... ...

attribute that IMAM insist upon rut altera-
tions, whether Yrs non or In a republican
sense, or (which was equalig ) in the direction of the
crown, and giving peewit authority to the executive, he
would not say ; but, in whatever direction they went,
those alterationa would bel equally fatal to civil liberty and
destructive of the free institutions which had made us what
we were. (Cheers.)
Earl DE GREY and RIPON said there were an or two
points of the noble wars speech upon which he felt it his
duty to make a few observations. The chief point was the
omission of Woolwich from the scheme of fortifications
which the t had promoted to the house on the
• of the commissioners. It should be
b▪
orne in mind that the recommendations of the
commissioners, which were confined to the erection
of a fort ou Bhooter's-hill wee far from fulfilling the large
and extensive scheme for the defence of Loudon which the
noble earl had sketched out. The commissioners simply
proposed that there should be a redoubt, which, although
givi wine shelter, would be far indeed from affording a
complete defence of that arsenal, which lay in a most exposed
'nation, commanded on every side, and a complete defence
of which would require very different meaning. The
government had the authority of Sir Johu Burgoyne and
Bic Howard Douglas fur the course they had taken in
not at present adopting the recommendation of the

.......seasaers in regard to the erection of that par-
ticular fortress. They were of opinion that it would
not affami so great a defence of Woolwich as would justify
the asassary expeedittire it would require, cad that if it
stood don it would be of comparatively little value*
ilolosiloc the city of London. Sir John Burgoyne had ex-
=• very decided opinion that for the defence of Lon-
want look to operetions et a distance, and to opera.
One hi .the field, widish must take place long before the
mow mid approach the neighbourhood of Loudon. The
,piii *the noble earl was one of the greatest magnitude,
vewhieltrghe expenditure, and unquestionably of
the y—defending this vast city—street by
and loam by house. He (Earl de Grey and Ripon)
waregineent the views of the government if he
IMO sot to say that this subject was 01111 which had occupied,
awl Rust continue to occupy, their most serious Altmann,
both was not included within the mope of the =
lilli which did not deal with fortilsallions for the
GI Lesion. For that defence we mot look, in the first la-
te ear sand resinewm, white ecestituted our first
■era 1t ilikens • seat, is oar army gad volunteers ; and
Sin logos toolooroot eipieratioes which would be re-
mits' Wile woo width fre the enemy to force
*dr *to, ay to Defeat 11a Doi& sod had alluded to the
mamas of the force at home, which we
Mad be molibi to bring into the field.
Ifs soliroky wood with the noble lord that we must look
very nneslive=aler troops in such • timed denier
a wee But cox means of defense had hose
pea* Ogigeoved by the creation of that noble volunteer
army villildt had up in the smutty, through the
dorotioa of the tie last fror. months. Weer,
' liees4 ChM feet lio great importance in main-
taining peace, by the manifestation which it gave of the
determination of the people of this country. He also be-
lieved that in the hour of peril these volunteers would be
found of the greatest possible service in defending ledgers,
and operating on the flanks of the enemy ; and some
bettahona, no doubt, might take part in the opera-
tions of the field. It was • question for the con-
sideration of parliament whether they would in-
' crease the public burdens by • much larger regular
army. The force in the country at the present moment
was much larger than it bad been at almost any previous
period of our history of late yearn. It had undergone no
diminueion during the last few months, but stood now at a
higher point than in the spring of 1850. Whether that
faros was sufficient or not to meet the emergency contem-
rtitaby the noble earl, in the judgment of the government
its sufficient to fulfil the exigencies of the moment. This
bill would enable the government to utilise the force which
it possessed. The object of these measures was purely de-
fensive ; they were aimed against no country ; they had
reference to no government ; but were founded simply on
the great choirs that had taken place lately in all direc-
tions in the aspect of affairs in Europe. They threatened
no nation ; and they were not to be regarded as warlike
measures, but as measures best adapted to secure the pre-
servation of the peace of Europe. IHear.)
The Earl of ELLENBOBOUGH said that when he sug-
=the importance of reeking Woolwich impregnable, be
one it on very high authority, that of Napoleon I.—
not of course with reference to Woolwich, but to Naples.
He recommended the government to read those letters in
which Napoleon gave advice to his brother Joseph as to the
defence of Naples ; and that was the manner in which he
advised the government to defend London.
The bill was then read a second time.
CUSTOMS (No. 2) BILL.
This bill was reed a second time.
STAMP DUTIES (No. 2) BILL.
Tido bill was read • second time.
IN* ' following bills were read • third time and passed
Biereehment Houses and Wine Licenses (Ireland) Bill ; Poor
Relief, isc. (Ireland) Bill ; Gunpowder. &c., Bill ; and the
Industrial Schools Act Amendment Bill.

PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) BILL
This bill was then read a second time.
DEFENCE OF THE REALII BILL

The FArl of RIPON moved the woad reading of this
bill, obierving that it was a necessary consequence of the
Fortifications Bill.

The bill was read a secood time.
The home adjourned at half.past 8 o'elock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY. Auo. 20.
The Snkw took the chair at haltpest three o'clock.
NOTICE OF EOTION.
THE CASE OF MR. TAREANT.

Mr. E. JAMES pre notice that on Tuesday (this day) be
would ask the Under Secretary for the Colonies whether
Mr. Tenant, the editor of the Friend of Chino, in still
detained in prison in the gaol at Hong Kong, at the suit of
the crown.

CUSTOM-HOUSE OFFICERS.

Yr. HENNESiiivrisiied the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether he would be disposed to entertain the
:pplications of certain officers of the Customs who, owing to
he recent changes, had been obliged to retire from the
service, for • oommuletion of their superannuation allow.
once into money paymenta, taking into conaiduation the
special circumstances of each case.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, as
a general rule, the principle of commuting pensions for •
sum of money was not admissible, because if an officer fell
into distress after • sum of money had been paid to hint,
the government might be asked to shield him from such
distress. But in the present case the reduction alfseting
young men, it might be more advantageous to think to
receive a sum of money than a pension. The government
would therefore be ready to consider each cam on its own
merits, prwervtng an unfettered discretion with taped to
the m eof dealing with it.
THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND THE SAVINGS BANE

BILL
On the motion for bringing up the report on supply,
Mr. MELLOR midi that as Wednesday Lit he had given
notice of his intention to call the attention of the house to
the refusal of the Howe of Lords to entertain the Savings
Bank Bill, which had been sent up to them from this house.
Since that her Majesty's government afforded the House of
Lords an opportunity of reconsidering their determination,
and in order that there might he no obstacle to the free
action of the House of Lords in retreating from a position
which was obviously untenable, he resolved to substitute
for the *Mice which he bad given for Friday, the notice
which stood one the paper for that day. Every person
mast feel how desirable it was that a good understanding
abonld be kept itp between both houses of parliament,
mid that sack geed understanding could only be main-
tained by each bones Omani lug from aggression upon the other.
The House of Lords having agreed to consider the bill on
its merits, there was no immediate urgency for the dis-
cussion of the motion of which he had given notice,
especially as tray members of great weight and authority
were absent from lows. Under these circumstances he
thought he would best consult the convenience at the
boom end the gravity of the question itself if be abstained
front preasing the discussion on the present ommioo. (Hear,
has. He Should oily say that the question embraced two
prattle : first, whether the House el Leeds weld, b a meth
resolution of their own, impose on this boom the duty of
*NM* in a particular way ; and secondly, whether such