The Express.
London, England, 1860-06-20 00:00:00

CHURCH BATE ABOLITION BILL

LYVKDE.N moved the wood :,ailing of the
Church.ratee Abolitiou Bill; and. after repudiating the
attics that is te=d abolish rhurch•retes he wa.
ertnated y
theawed. he proceeded to
dame the upset of the gemlike. The present poet.
bus of affairs.
the
• was winch worse for the
church than for the eters, twesnee wherever the
rate was onimlled it serengthensd the ranks at
the Jaessederes. is mmehesine, he milled attention to the
numbiee, pongee, and weight .f the numerous statesmen
who were inures hole chuck rates in the. present day, and
=tto lie bench of bishops to wipe off from the
erry oast remmtelt of seeking unlawful gains,
digir them that if the measere were paned it would
malsete thatch more pops/sr, the dissenter. more peom
fed. end teed to the better comeleration of the lugled
Merest. of the COMMIIIIity.
The Doke of MARLBOROUGH mid that with n
to the Estt gemeed as which the noble lad bad
based his metien—the ground, namely. that all at-
temptee at a eamprounise on this quest had failed
he dal to enema that three attenq t• fall bemuse the
ikeenter. wimps...el • clew awl poitive determination In
Map sheet nothiag leei than the eat abolition of
shuck roles. The seemed ground o o which the ooble lord
wild his motion was Uri tke church rote was • bone of
eosteintiem and that It beaded to promote and keep alive
the ohms theolegieum. Bak on the other Land, be would
ask the nib hied to sosaider what roust *,er the feeling et
the toonbeee of the eitablished church when they mw Was
persistent attempts of the &swelter' to deprive the church
of
its reveres, sad all attempt. at conopromim rejected
bemuse they WON the advocatn of the voluntary prin.
wpb. The nate lord in the course of his 'leech had given
setteennes to mime feller:Sea He told them that church
mites were • lepl obligation without x legal remedy for
their safarcemast But why was the .tats ..f the law web
that there was • legal obligstioe without a 1e,,m1 remedy!
Then red to be a logal remedy in the tweltotodical courts,
when men's mind. consciences quailed le fore the mg,
sores of those courts. It we. true that thi. Was no longer
the ere ; but the 'Noble lord, if he were losimil I
In his ressesisi, iesesod of eating for the abolition of church
isms, alsishl hems proposed to Lind some other rentals
i.e sohittladm Speaking far hini.elf alone, he might my
be dewed nethig but • fair, equitable. acd pia wttlecomit
of the rosettes, and w exertion shout I he wanting en he
part if he could see his way to any satisfactory solution.
At :he same time, with reepect ti the just and
1.41{140k/ new of the vev, their I..rd.h crime
of justice would be too accurate to iidow them to
believe that the arguments put forth by the noble lord
opposite would satisfy the demands of jnatice, or even
sound whey. upoo thui question. Their loolahlpi knew that
this was rut anereot tax, involvingaixtest rights, which were
df the highest importance to the oaten-eta of the elergr.and
I. the taterests pit the poor who were committed to their
sharp. He Lad pointed already to the extent of the
einnaleatiosi of shoe, whose avowed object it now was to
promote the bill for the abolition of church rate. ; and not
sob that, lilt elm to bring shoot eecalariwdion of the
se esre are of the property of the chant,, which we. sub-
revisit to the bra the poor mad ti the :::urch of the
people of this Loh Their lordahips had these things in
evidence sad they would therefore coaclado it to be
their wisest ploy to accept so compel mist whatever.
They wadi sot, he believed, roadster it consistent with
harper, eriedorn. ja.tice, mead policy, or even with
religions ditty itaell, Lo pawl the second read.ng .4 thin bin.
He therefore bengal to mum that it be real a mooed time
that day three months.
Lo-d WENSLEYDALE said he wished to detain their
lemithips for • few closets only whilst he endeavoured to
give a mere overt statement Of the existing state of the
law with regard to church rates than had been jeriented to
their lowlehips. It wan as error, which was widely ester-
Wool by the people of this country, to suppose
that the majority of the parishioners in vestLeat
esse a
hled had a right to me whether there
be a church rate or sot. Tied ice a complete wain-
take : the law had not been no fact down in
the :elehreted Braintree ow. Every j ar.•h was un-
doubtedly ender a Iva obligation to provide a chorrh rata.
The only weestion was se to the mode of carrying that Mili-
attate effect. One of thaw model was by making •
m, in miler to maks which it was necessary that a ma-
of theparehioners is vestry assembled should cooseat.
At tie mem time oldiptioa to make a church rate was
conealmed to be a .pritual duty, and de enforcement was
left to the operati,i of the spiritual court. The penalty
peas lad by the Keeladastical Court for n,d making a
church rate we to pot the welt tattler an interdict. a
reenolv which of Lite years was virtnally
Who: their lordship. decided in the Braintme cane wee, drat,
that .t was ant yseolde fur the ellurchwerdene of a pariah
to make • rate to the ii!wence of the paniihiontrs ; and es-
omit:, that • vta!orit!, of the parehioners ne-try mem.
Mel 'could make a rate which was binding the minority
of the ratepsysos of the parish. The ormeion to make a
fate we., nevertheless, punishable by eochoiali--d censor*
to the, day It was an error to suppose that the go=
el the landh in vestry aseembled had a right to
whether .r not they were legally hound to make • church
rate.

Ceil DR GREY and RIPON thought the Duke of
ilailhorewgh wrong in iaeagisiag the agitation which,
an this question bad arisen from the efforts et the
Anti State Chun* Society, as the siltation was as least
yeah' old. The 01010000 of • gerrence bad bees ad.
nutted by statesmen of all parties and vario.3 ism
had bees pursed, but 'erected. If, however. the Duke
of Marlborough wished to make any compromise, why did
he tot cement to the second reading of the bill, and so mo-
dify it in committee as to accomplish that ohjeet He de-
nied that the opponents of church-rates were ie:meal by
say ulterior 12100:100. In his opinion, church-rates were a
hardship to the diameters, inflicting an injury to the church
sod tending to destroy that tannuay which "light to pre-
vail moan Christaa communities. He should therefore
support the motion for the second reading of the hill.
Archbishop of CANTERBURY assured their lord-
ahips that the right reverend bench would not be unwilling'
to ) tell to any measure of conciliation to which they felt
they ...old cormistently with their sense of duty agree. The
bill had been mainly supported °a two grounds— first, its
beseticial effects Ul.O the church ; and worldly. on its being
as act of Justice to dim...stem They were told that if it
pared the church would greatly gain is popilarity
aad M gave the noble lords who had used
that argument full credit for their sincerity •, but
exactly the some reimeing had been rtoorted to by the
Liberitian Society for another purpose. 1 hey were told
by that society that the church would be so meth mimed in
spirituality and power by the entire severan w of its connex•
ion with tar stair, that it would be greatly b.-netted
by a dieeliatiou of the tie which bound them together. The
curn.Tience betwom the two arguments was certainly most
singu/ar. (Hear, hear.) Aa to the effects that would fol.
low the loss of church rates, its advocates had better means
of judging than its opponent& They knew how much its
ministers would suffer in influence and position if they were
male dependent upon their flocks ; widths! did Dot hesitate
to say that the eoablisluneut would lox what was Dow owe
0( it. most valmilde characteristics. In 90 came out of 100—
ii.
si aak within the mark—the church rate was paid with.
,at any further complaint than was steamily made when
the tavgatherer cams to a mass door; but it 106.11,1 be very
different if the force at law were removed. In theory the
voluatary system was perfect, but in practice it might rather
he cillet "the beg-ging system." The result of its adopts=
would he to throw upon the clergy • gnat portion of the ex-
pease now defrayed by the church ; and it should be
remembered that while *we were 1.000 clergymen whose
income. did ant exceed NM a year,tliory already taxed time-
soli, to the utmost of their power, and beyond their power,
f.lt the support .1 alacaticeal and cheetah)* institutions.
He would now say a few words upre another sabjeet—
"lamely, the iejustice which was maid to be inflicted spot40000:00 by the existing state of the law. His answer to
that argument was simply the, that such was the wadi-
Hoe epos which they held whatever property lobes,/ lel
them. (Hear, hear.) At the same time, be should set he
unwilling to see some roeseare adopted which might relieve
them frees the imputation of inflicting a hardship =
say person. He should he glad to see • meow*
dared which would give the church a rate so far vol
that it should not he Impaled upon iliantere, bat phisb
stiodd he as Ler esearir upon elimoiria
that they shoula he seetpeUsif to midrib:le their
goats to the exposes of sseastaisisis the services of the
climb. He was pile min that that was • seeds of dm&
ug with the piestate be tibia may objectless Night be
Repel ; hat it was the seesieeios to which the select saes-
suttee appointed by thisk beithhipe bed arrived New
people leaked apes it se • eiesoseits ; bet It was a cosses.
ales which cereselseess *tilled with the now or
as led to • gesodee Mash hied boss es long tieratid,r4lll
which mimic b. tleliered. seatuiss to be debated so keg as
thew oensiesi soy abassable grossl He trusted that •
merger le this elect weld be shortly istreesesti, sesl
that ill yeah! swot their issillelepit eppr,sal. Is the new
ens be impel that they would Tejon the present hill
LORI GREY we meted to 002.000100 on the mailer.
as he bhestliAt that by .." would h. edisitlieg
the prisaipie eit the Abelian ohar.:ll-nees The law, is
ba *sips. as it sew was *O. right, sea
Pariasety chi was set ittl the &Win of the