The Express.
London, England, 1860-03-29 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

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CHURCH RATE ABOLITION.
Mr. WitteklAN remarked that on 4 fonner evasion it
bed berm armed ou all sides of the Imre that the queries
amid only he settled by being taken up by the goveranieet,
art that it should not be left in the bands of any private
memalier. The members of the prober rimmed, then a-
rmed that mire, and he mow wished to know whether
they meant to reorde her it ; and he would ask the
tor har wet (air John Tralaweiy) whether he had made eoy
appeal to the goverommet to take up this matter, sad
whether be hid retarded theme of the futility .4 all the
attempts which pri*ete Blomberg bad yet made to settle the
quastees ! If the ire barer Minot done en, be had not
quae Meer:gel his duty. Thaw were Souse person. who
n.garied this question as • question of principle. the settle.
meet of which was deal/able .. but others regrifed it as •
politnel Teethes, or as ore which use owl as a sort 01
polite-al ebsp-trap, which was found so convenient that it
might rather he thought desirable for political prime
that the grievamee should be perrtuated. He knew that
the hon. harmer hismelf was irked rumt anxious to bring
a, out a settlemeat .4 this much vexed question. But there
was no loestiow on which the liberal party was me
deeply Seder, or so thoroughly united. es this f seed
the eountry had therefore • tight to expect
that some memo for its settlement would be carried Ilea
the hhwel party were in power.
Sir J. TRELAWNY said he had from the beginning
urged the ;en-enured to deal with this quelli. n, but their
measures would not hove settled the question, any more
than Mr. Newdepte's properties, his otojectiota to which
he stated.
The amendment was rupported by Mr. Hefetrr, and
oppued by Lord Heater, who amid he opposed the pro-
posal now, a. he had slow bet year, because be considered
it r. 1.1 "tie. 1,4.1 abolition being, in him opinion, the only
satudisetars mode of reel* the question.
Mr. PHILIPPS, lather* he thought Mr. Newdegate's
pfes was beide to emir objection., in the alanice .1 soy
other pie. for :1 .uhttitate for church rates, should, he said,
vote fur the •meedinents
Nit K M. I'E'F() declared that, as for the feeling of the
dissenter, on the. ,ptestsun, nothing would satiety them
het the air due sod uneenditiorl repeal of the law of
churchrats.. Much had base mid of the ultimate in-
tentness anti aims of the diameters. Now, he knew their
feeliar perfectly well, and he could assure the bore that
the di eaten did ma desire to take from the church of
England one 'billing id that to which she was rightmody
mmtled ; hut they were determined unanimously to mist
the coatis:mine of an impost affecting their own con-
sciences, end one which was a personal rate, Dot a charge
on property, and which they were .leternmed should nut
be made so. The voluntary prim iple hal &brie
proved capible of providing all Mast was needful
for the religiose accommodation .4 the people. la
11101 the total amount at &Blimp in churches and ihapele in
England was about live tritium ; in 1•51 it was ten mil-
limo., and .4 this increase the run. er ..I.M.Led otherwise
than le voluntary effort win bet ...mimhat love 200,000
sittings. Churchmen as well as dissenter...ught to pat
5e.,11, teed in the vitality of the relit; ..n thee professed.
lee.klog et the Loge slim which had been raised.. for nobs
iipous piopme 1,7 voluntary effort in fseotland of late
from man ag a population of three itnlin.ini, it
be feared that the church of England would fall behind.
Would churchmen for 200,000/. a Scot- allow their edema
to go into ilivey 7 The year before list '-400.00124 was rebel
tel t 'dinar for Maio. temples. U the religion .4 this 0111 M•
re:, scald not inspire its folhinere with at least equal meld
with time pair Iliodoos, the. he would see, "Paid* the
rabginet*--(a laugh) well, at "nevem . such lukewarreme
would he a direct to any stet of Chtietirui wl.O
to f..Uuw the tenets of their great Muter. (HeaPr,Val '
Mee how im bleeds had thriven
the Mery Reserves Art was settled. Itimemter
were determined to abolish climb rater but were met'
soiniated by the dither desire to injure the church el
F.,,41.n.j. Ti,,, we. not so much differ:rise between the
rhumb .4 England and dimenters as between members ot
She church of En„ilatel themselves. la one part .4 the
metropolis the clercernea preached in theatres to 5,000
people , in another part the cZytitan were so near Rome
in theupeartie.s. that they • tgo river to it alt.g. tiler.
111. r, ham) lie lord they would abolish church rate;
sad with them all the batter= sad asimositts .4 which
the agitatme and erotism of creek met was so fruitful
• some. (Hoar, near.)
itr. P. WATLINUTON was totally opposed to the
r rum, nog could he rpm*" the amendment of the
h•. 'Griever the eamber for North Warwickshire.,
whir did sr is hi. opinion, asset the &realties .4 the
me bathe weird support the bill framed on the ream
arsaiatime of the emmuttee of the House of br.le.
Mr. EVANS wished to say • few words lest his vote
might be airaterpremeL He was mint anxious that this
vertices and &mono' quartos should be settled.
The right boa pratleara the member tar atemel called it •
..aainealwirywtw.a, het he thought it a most income.
nine one. The iimmesua height ill feeling betwees
eimehmic and diritrem, and ma rot leprous to the
March itself. Ile .upported the measure, Irmo he saw
ao Mager to the established eltureh —a rich church, and
whi members were ea leelelell es any others.
Lord J. MANN LIN ail the speech they had just beard
slimed the poseur tindery theme was to settle this math
• It, erneted ouestion The great obstacle which existed an the
er-y .4 e ',Altera-el well the hill .4 the Lou. gentleman the
' member for 'lariat...l4 who auerthele. seemed to think
es. ..... bowie.. The hon. baronet sail the Menu be
Love the house was to pass the bill, send it to that bourne
es. more it would never return-4 •h) --and then to hope
that Isoth homes of parliament would assess m, sseue pm-
Leal rerom. He would mot support any of the sae ads
webs, iestaling that proposed bey his hoe. friend the main-
line for North Warwicealura, who had shore as creditable
• meal a tiro emitter. He regarded the bill of the
hosieurshie ratheman the inensber far Tavideck
es lee whirls aril ler sanctimed by the here, rid
did sot think any seed would come of an amendment,
Mich peopeed t.. Maker with the hill. He thought it
was WOW to seed this bill to re Leer, and there let a
be desk with is tie ' way. He would vote leak
airier the aesemilmer at his her fraud and wino& the
aublopOsoll of the eillhe beresurable berme' the Chao.
seller of the Droday of iiihrodor. The bore was now
Merril whirler the pripoed of the right hon. Lamar
maiseleal him the gweemarent or from himself as an
=Erimemdmr. He mated t.. know further,
ie giummeat wee prepared to take up and try
I. settle UN marder Rather than accept the mas-
er* whir the right ►boa. hatter had urinated M kr
asneartment he (Lord J. Waren) would accept
re bill el re home:alba haremet. (Hear.; The amendment
.4 the right Inn. roman would add unpopularity and
Jambes and earlusbei to the evils which already existed.
He was reprised to ham, is theme day. of cml and emit.
Pmes liberty sad profermas for the welfare of the vor,
that those who were loader in there profesnons should
meek to abridge mule .4 tar dearest and rot eherethed
eggl as of the pre His maws on the subject .4 church
err meg anchengel sad unaltered, and he would nut
have Mee bet that otherwise hem vote net the amtuelment
leher the her. right have her isisuudentend. (Hear.)
lb. MELIA ilt csuld by so somas give his went to the
pt~ip~rtla.Bla which had earnated from the other side iif the
aur ovekl he apes us the pommel i,f the Home of
Leeds: which would double the charge otiose A (wean', B
hail • scruple to pay church rates. (Hear, hour.) All
sAternpla at uommurnim would fail ; the time hail gone by
for that.
It,. A. MILLS was quite willing to entertain a sompor
• ore, and would support the sisendment .4 the Imo. gentle-
men the mewled or North Warwickehire. The course
te.r I dunk.: the whole a maim other
by the side was to
i atrmk.
churchrate. alt. , sad when the bill went up
to the House .4 Lor tds t peer. Gould take but oar courve
-- there was no ram for ouinpromiae; in fact, by the
wisp taken be the promoters of the serum the
.boors were chant against any practical arrangement.
He e.whl not assent to the deetructiom of this
Ulna . il.pborilf.• I system without emits substitute. He
did not see why there should be all otretill on the
pan of the ihmenten to cr. thenvielete as such, and it
armored to lona that the onommase which had bean
.tiered ought to have bra received its • far mows friendly
slant than it had Leer
Mr. WALTER std it appeared to him there were but two
metes of settling this demealum. The see wee to do away
if Hen could with the desire of the Homes of Lords la
the itiaustree ore, and the ether wee to ALUM chunk
rate, •Ituseellier. H. MOM met see the re of "maize, the
time of the homes and the onus year after year in endea-
r...nag to Arrive ae a eeaeprsmlm which he we. satiated
ea. unattairible. Bat et all the propeals fax compro-
mise that had hem mak that at the 4so. member for
Wennokehre was the mar bemire. They did not be-
leer to • church a• to • aseterd hide, but they helonged
ti .. . 'us/ewer .4 fairhd sir and it surely Ise)oeed
th. .• -ainers.4 the fabrie to pay for the maintenance of
it In the rue of • Sonar ii hie, who hail a large
farm. •e.l who, in case a rate were made, would have
to pay the Lurid ferias ot it, he had out
a seat in the . hurch. and could not got or,
awl we doubt in moy lan ..loss there were others who were
oluilarly rtueted With regard to the !Derriere for
Aura mar r a moire churchman he should have me ob-
. to Myer oa the voluntary system, as it was celled.
On Hie other bond, he did at see why there shouktaot be
• bralrel retool' of pea route foe the erialetenanco of the
fabric. tkerieriog that the etch sad middle classes helped
regeselme be the beet rata, he Mcl nuts., why they should
saa. ae they did la every thatch ea the continent, pay for
t.
the sods tier
Ajnira w seal WI question was, would the/
~.,„ .. the {hokum for the arioreance .4 the
:17urea. r, y gerrally ought he
imaiizert lie is choseh. while all the eiperees ie.
le the limelp iieskl ma was those who eiesethbied
with& Me Mai
Mr. N gene to reply ; but
Tbp said he was mot entitled to le- heard
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