The Express.
London, England, 1860-03-03 00:00:00

ANNEXATION OF SAVOY.

Oh R. PEEL said he bad • qualms te ask, whist, se ft
Mae emu of great subtlety and sleety, might perhaps flake
,• the ettentkin of the Cheemeer of the Exelisqator. (A Inagh.)
lEveryone in that beam bed, he was ewe, reed the recently-
piehliehed speech of the En ease of the French with the
deepest emotion end eourees, for It wee quite evident from
thee speech that kis Majeety assent to avail himself of the
present position of drain, and to take Savoy. He hoped,
however, they should have farther opportnalties of discussing
the matter, as he way informed that the discussion which
had already taken place had produced conaklerable effect eves.
la Path ; in fact he was informed the Emperor had said that
after aL the sacrifices he had made fur the preservation of the
Hagfish alliance, he had no supporter in England but hie
seteemed friend blosaimer Hanes. (Lod leaghter.) Now
the question he had to ask reihmed to the espta of the im-
perial speech which had appeared be the Moms, Daily linos,
and Morning Pat. The lemmansed piper was insignetood
to represent the policy of the Tuileries, end Its tremeript
of the speech differed in an inspertint point frees the
other two papers. The Barret wee made to may
in the Post —" II Emit sea dee* poor la wren
de ace freotiices, de revitediquer Ile veriest Pawns des
monutenee." Toe Emperor weal ea to say, "Ceti, men-
dicants's on territeire de pen d'eteadne As Tee dolt
al.rmer I' Europe." Now, the d.fferenee between the two
words "reclamation" and " revendloatios" wee most im-
portant, and is was necessary that the proper lateepretation
should at once be put opus the phrase. It was important,
because in 1792 the Republic took Savoy, and it was most im-
portant to know whether it wee " revelationion" et " mole-
mation" which the Emperor now containment. Hs thought
that not • moment should be lost he the
teat. In the last century Poland was Moaned, sad sow
a similar act wee contemplated with region to Savoy,
every inhabitant of which was most violatly opposed to
earsexation with France. They wished to maintain their
connesios with Piedmont, but if that were net possible, them
they wished to unite their destinies with the hot end *olds
Swim people. He trusted that the bones would permit the
noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs to answer this
qurstion, because it was of vital importance to know whe-
ther France claimed Savoy In consequence of the set of the
Ilepublic in 1792, or whether she appeals to Europe to protect
her against • powerful Italian notion of nine millions, by
permitting her to extend her frontier to the Alp. (" Hoar,"
and • laugh )
Mr. BElGHT—Before the noble lord answered the queen
doe, he wished to know what the hoe. baronet proposed
himself. For after all it wee a mere idling of time—(" No,
ao," from the oppc•ition)—end also tending to rodeos
greater complication'', if, there being no policy which the
house or the goverment could adopt, these discussiose were
to he constantly repeated. They were not the parliament of
France, nor of Savoy, nor of Europe—they were the parlis-
meet of Ragland ; and unless it could be shown that this
ornate, had • direct interest in three foreign question., they
were only making themselves en absurd spectacle in the sight
et Europe by such discussions. Nothing could be more ex •
inveigling than the language in which the hon. baronet ad-
dressed himself to this trusties. One would suppose that
not only Ragland, bat all Europa, was on fire, and the hoe.
harvest came down nightly to the house, not to extinguish
but to increase the contlegratipn. Let them ex swims this
question. It would paresis be hewer if all the
states of Europe were content with their respective
frontiers, end should make no attempt to extend their bounda-
ries; bat that wee not the state of things, nor could they
exploit it. Oar own government, eappmted by • large party
in the sentry, wen cementing parties to an alteration in
the Weskits. of several of the states of Italy ; and it was
quit* pomible that if the right hon. member for Books now
eat ea the ministerial beaches he would be as soqeiescleg
party in those changes. The hon. booed talked of the
treaty at Vienna as if it were a settlement, whilst it was no-
t's.* but no uostitheneet. Holland had been *roman
trees Belgium, and now the French Emperor was to be
Waked hexanse he did not rumen the treaty of Vi 1112211 in
Ito ease of Savoy. What wax the balmy of Vienna to him
but • menUntent of the depredation of his &rally ? And he
could only regard with pleasure the oromblingazei
of an edifice which we have been ere
He speed that it would have Lean mooh better if this quie-
tist bed not been raked, tot sedy bin bat oleo in Paris. He
taw no special advantage to Premm by the edditios al the
popitlation of that meseeekene region. He did toot balm
Ordinate would be emeibly weakened or obeaged it the
Meaner took plots. (Wee of " 014" end "Sear, bac)
He doubted extremely wbothee eta disidvemiumems east
would mak to the people of Ss . The right hem hems"
the a
we lee Tarawa& upon the moseillin thet
obey won about to be ,seas tora tunass from •
sten et freedom to a slot of servitude,
wee sertalny not very areglimemsey te the
who might be quits as WI Omen with stir insdtndeai
we time with owe—(hane, haer)—ami who might be eedethd
with • metal liberty whisk toe had set, amid might prefer it to
• million liberty which me Md. (Saar, hear.) But he had
lewd inn pumas of high eattenty that the inhabitants of
limy bed wit only as objemban so the tiremehr, but would
woke bins maned to Pressee. ("Oh, eh." sod Hose.")
lam authority his bed been Mk to *meat cm the
mow bad wand him thet tbe aimmaden of Savoy to
Inns wasja go far to dank the mine of the leaded pro-
geny in that nuatry. Per ht ma pert, he wend me=
Meet kw the loyetty demi Meek la ether emmtries
gsaar r he mai premise them le dseble the mine of this
hada property of their 111111114). Oka "Oh,
Bat be weelleM that the le•Mtillf pevymilai be am" wen
woY mew NM the anamatisa would add greatly is the

vales of their labour. Lyons woe an mere than two or Wee
boars from Olmenousia. The maadectarers of Lyon, with
their wild. Mirk looms, end their iadustry, would imme-
diately nerd through the valleys of that provisos, and sa
immediate demon would bogie= to the value of everything
11.111 gaieties in Savoy. (Hear, hew.) He did sot wish the
t to give the slightest 001111t401111a to the keno-
bat as the other head he would not ask them to offer it
the slightest opposition, become' such opposition would be
fads, and they could not possibly prevent the annexation of
Savoy, although they might embroil England with France.
Rader then this should happen he would my, perish Savoy.
(Cries of "Oh, ob.") But Savoy would not perish, or even
suffer. He had found, unfortunately, that the son remote a '
question emend to be from our own Menet the mon it
seemed to absorb the sympathies of some ban. gentlemen of
that house. (Hear, hear.) For gemeration pan ere had
been endeevouring to settle the map of Europe, mall speeding
our blood sad treasure for that object, bat had we ass seedy
and ignominiously failed in every attempt we bed made ? la
the none of common sena, and is the interest of the people
1 of England, we ought to judge this question with calmnos
and divemionatenera as • motor which redly ooncerne 1
ally the kingdom of Frame, the kingdom of Sardis's, and
the people of Savoy; and if those two kingdoms were
=to the treader, and the people of Savoy
Ives were for it, it certainly was contrary
to Use interests of England, and contrary to the
honor of the English goverment, to proceed to
isterpose egmeat • tranoctioa *dab, although he (Mr.
Bright) would Lever have recommended it, yet be was quite
aue w. a not worth the exleaditare of a single tee on the
part of hofillaarnan, or the espriadututu of • drop of blaul
fur noe eagle sumac to prevent. (Bear, hoar.)
Lord J. MANNERS said he no glad to her from the
hon. gentlemen that this was the parliament of England,
and not toe parbezuent of Francs. (dear, bear.) But he
tonight they had made this discovery from the not. mem-
ber', speech, that II this was the parliamest of England, at
any rate Fraser was an unrepresented in their body. (Op-
, ponies china.) Then had been suspicions created through-
out Ecgland as to the reason which had induced the hon.
gentleman to show such a marked attactemeot, and even
affection, towards oaten treaties sad engegeeleata which
bad recently formed the subject of distortion in that house,
but they sow bow there wee no price the hon. memter
would he unwilling to pa y rather than the treaty ghoul I not
be ferried into effect, (Meat, bear.) He hoped the hon.
gentleman did hot speak the senumests of her Majesty's
government on this occasion. Certataly he did not speak
the sentiments of the people of England. (Cheers.) They
now knew the measure of the loyalty of tha hon. member.
When he was given 4d., where he bad previerly only got
2d., he did not neaitate to tell them that that tranahreed his
loyalty and allegiance. (Opposition cheers.) He did not
attribute to the hon. member such overweening unity se to
Guppies that, when he said there WWII gnat mares who
would not hesitate to transfer their loyalty if their imams
wen doubled—he did not attribute to Sim the natty of sup-
posing that he meant to say be wee above such con-
siderations himself. (Cheers.) The ban. gentleman spoke
no doubt from an intimate knowledge of his own heart and
sentiments. (Hear, hear.) But he treated the government
did not sympathise with toe sentiments of the hon. member,
who had said "perish Savoy." That afternoon the noble
lord had reed • statement, in the language of the Emperor of
France, to the elect that the lour did not wish to pro-
ceed with this annexation by military ocoupeaciy, bee by
frankly explaining the question to the great powers. He
wished to know whether, in the opiates of the government,
there was any divergence in the language of a fortnight ago
and the language now used, or whether the goverment were
of opinion that when the Emperor of Frans said he intended
to explain the qaestion to the great power.., he was still in-
clined to consult them previously to proceeding with this aa-
nezatlon ?

Mr. M. MILNES said he could not believe that to a
question of great European interest of this kind they were
doing justice to themselves or to their country by any per-
sona recrlmigations, or by represseeing that say menhor
really had a desire that the ter° of Enron should be dis-
herbed. (Bear, hese) Ile trusted that what they cease to
the oossideration of this question they valid namraber these
wen two elements which bad bean strangely Mitten of sight,
namely, the relation of this question to the geeeral arrange-
ment of Italian effete, and the re-establishment of
that great nation to which they were all look-
ing forward with handset and interested eyes. The
question of Sardinia only came before them reideetaly in
relation to the great question of the nationality of Italy. In
his opini in the people of Savoy had always repremated the
opinions of the government of France, and had been op
to every principle of civil and religious liberty in the Pied-
montane perlisment. They had very little sympathy with the
straggles in which the people of Italy wen engaged, and his
belief was that they would prefer to )oin a country which
was more in accordance with their notions of religion and
polities. This certainly could be done without in any degree
disturbing the peace of Europe. The annexation of Savoy
would be no unjust composation to France for the 50,000
lime she bad eaceifimid ant the milliom of money she bed
expended in the cause of Italy. (Hear, hear.) What had
we date for Italy which could foe a moment compare with
what France had done for her? (Hear, hear.) He bad not
approached bra question as a member representing the in-
terests of Franco. (A laugh.) He trusted none of them
were representatives either of Sardinia or France, but that
they only represented English internee and English honour.
(Hear, hoar.)
Lord J. RCSSELL--Sir, I cannot allow this deeiteeka to
close without answering the Tuition put by the noble lord
the member for L.icestershire (Lord J. Meaner,), and also
making some observations upon the remarks which have
been addreesed by other bon. members to the hoer. The
noble lord asks warier I understand the the Zierror of
the French mem merry to aspire the ere tar the mew
don of Savoy, or whether he mane to mason the great
powers of Europe mad to WWI their crake. After reading
the speech of the Emperor of the Frisch, and bearing the
explanation which the ambreader of Frame has given me
of it to-day, I cannot doubt that the intention of the Em-
peror of the Treacle is to consult the great powers of Eason
with respect so that annexation. (Cheers.) And now let
us, if the noble lord will permit, consider a little whet is
the position of the Emperor of the French. It is not a ger-
tion relating solely to his own power, or to his own position,
bet it is a question relative to the loosition of Frans sad bar
security in Europe. (Hear, hear.) It is alleged by a great
portion el the French people—and curtaluly it hes been
alleged by statesmen who are attached to very different dy-
nasties to its own—that the addition of a considerable pope-
trim beyond the Alps to the kingdom of lierilinla would
make the position of France weir, as regards her waft ;
that it would enable the King of Sardinia, in come of a war
in which he might be engaged with other powers, to sow dis-
sensions on the French frontier, and that It would make it
neceatery for the sovereign of Frans to keep two armlat;an
the side of Savoy and the side of Nice, in cedar to
against the danger of invasion. Wishing, therefore, as be
and his government state, to maintain the same security they
had hitherto had, and thinking that that asperity wonid be
imperilled by the creation of note • kingdom le
I have mentlosed, the Emperor of the French
says it is but des to the security of Envoi,, if
the tensest of the people of Savoy con be obtained,
to annex that country to Franca But he stated some time
age, and I understand he states now, that he wishes to
consult the great powers of Europe on that annexation.
(Hear, her.) And I beg the house to resider that it out-
not be • matter of indifference to any ruler of Franco what is
the opinion of England generally and the great powers of
Europe on his position. (Hear, hear.) In this speech he
states he is sot going to annex Savoy by way of military
conquest. What does that mean? It means he is not ready
to encounter the disapprobation and distrust of Berne, bet
that it is his opinion that his government tea lay such state-
ments before the different powers of Bann that he will to
able, without reproach, and even with teak conseet, at last
to make this ennration of Savoy. I differ with the go
meat of France in the fear. they express. I, as bsg
to one of the powers of Europe ocean:led, ermeise
that the annexation of Savoy and a portion of the prowled=
of the Alps would be more threatening to Italy than the pre-
sent position of affairs ie threatening to Fiore. Bet at the
same tier I must ask the house a further question. The
powers oCEnrope an to be consulted. With regard to
England that power doee not only consist in the executive
goverment, ft coeilets in the crown and the parliament of
the United Kingdom, and therefore I should be far trout
wishing that It should not be a matter on which the pale-
meet of England should hold and pronounce ha opinion.
(Hear, hear.) But there is this to be said, that if we are to
raise, as I think the right hon. baronet (Sir K. Peel) is dia-
-1 poled to do, entry discussions on this subject ; it we are to
take mere emotion In the place of proof, sad to impute bad
motives on the part of • friendly somireign. I say the only
effect of our discussions will be to make angry feelings not
only between the executive government of Fence and the
executive government of England, but also between the people
of France and the people of Itegiend—(hen, 66.)—end I
cannot conceive, however much the noble lord opposite (Lord
J. Manners) may vaunt his owe patrionne as opposed to that
of Ms hon. member for Birmingham, that a man eau render
• worse service to England than by endeavouring to excite
feelings in this country which would, without any mosseity,
be beadle and suspicion, sad endeavour by that means to
bring the two nations 'tie, collision. (Hear, bear.) lam
reedy to admit that I think the Emperor of the French is
on this subject; but I say it is • quadri to be fitly
eoaidsaed, and that there eon be no edvontoge to this country
or to Europe `making it a question of parion and of anger,
without atmelterieg calmly all the reasons which can be
urged en loth aides. (Hoer, hear.) The Emperor of
the Peenelk bee come to an undenreding with Beg-
lark mil be has determined not to attempt mean-
the ellitent the consent of the people of Savoy.
I mast tray I lewd with concern the speech of the hon.
Weer the member for Tamworth—(hear, hear)—but
ereeM not give my Impression of the discussion which has
Wien *re if I did not say also that 1 heard with great eon-
eme the epoch of the hen. member for Birmingham. (Cheryl
from the oppertiret.) I consider that these questions do en
Ire to the general Marlow of the powers of Europe between
tetrameter, that they do relate to the coufldeuce which see •
state is dtepoesd b piece in soother, and that the independ-
enes of the Menet rare of Berm does coestitete that
security to Etirope without which neither trade, coop
stares, met sosiel relations can err. (Hear, tier.)
Well, sir, there hon been a rest ohm ete brought
sleet Is Italy. That chases win, I Asst, be
ter the beard of the people of hay. It nubs off old rela-
tyms--ie begins me des; It roast he acesseplished or
brae& be an end without the risk of further disturbance, of
holm soilleks betwmapowes white have saw boisetarkes
between each ether, era at the sere time ere animated
by eM breeds our aid siabeestens. Sir, it appears to me
that It le the duty of the govermant of England, and 1
coq eases, It le the duty of the Hams el Cemmensdßeibend,