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fey t►at la sly proposition hr
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baedfula of peiple speed seer
tows' le tiro large perdelisee of the
of COISTOMP, ledustry, taastise,eal public
resoletloaary den I k see eakeruri the
wort. (Chasm) I brikve flame proposals
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tor? to those twousbory of this Masi oai

maim, elhe ire smiles that tie Ikon

be. Air—l do sot mean seethmeaticsally
reprematetion of the great pspalatioe, great interest', the la-
triftehos, industry, wealth, aid virtue, of this (*awry.
Ars them the rook to be c►arged withal' attempt at revolu-
tion ? I rise for the memo of meting that daclaraii at; I
make it bemuse I believe In my conscience it is true, end I
believe k is the *Wm ef ell the otmettuonciel

the kammien Tbe-efolit boa. madman sad his 1
colleenw have remind to the ease ttnedee this meat
queens hawses ea. I weep the bee* I inn the tight 1
bee. gendlemea when be sad his Meade Othe their pieces ea I
the hisseleme aid wise the paprr a C 0011111•011 the attack—l
wara them onion ming charged sack as nen If dui I
will take smelt grouted, they alone must take the ens* 1
wane. ?bey know on what Aide the numbers will be U
they dose the aestest to the utmost; it is their side, sot
ours, wiE elms ell neon la the strife. Let as go to this i
peat NOW is a spirit d cement. (" Hear, hest," sad I
a Ingle) As her poselde let es give all vigour to the
cossitteney—ht as Mime It fatly. Do not charm them
with tevolatimany dodge* (Bees, hear, sad Oh) I do not I
charge yea with renidisaely Amigo. I cal; Marge you
with being nerequalatell with the opinion of the country,
sad immeat ef what it is aseessery for you to know. I will
say as mere than the I onkel, approve d the amen taken
by the debt bee. reademem sad de aglisigne la this
eamemaity. I believe Chet wins parlismat meets men
then will be meowed such a deeded opines on this I
subject se will enable some government to par each • bill se I
will titsbis every oas due to ny to every malcontent, if then I
be may each left, If parliament ie not • complete, it is • Ws I
remereneatioa of all interests, sad in our lifetime at lent we
ran never again be called on to deems this wenn. (Cheers.) 1
Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, there bees been some ab 5...,. ,
Vow male by the right boa. gentleman whin I wean
suer to pass; there le one obeervalloa, however, la which I I
entirely concur. He bat esti he doss not easiest the queer
lion of reform to be the appanage of any pemon ar any party; I
in lba I gene agree. I have mid bet ire I thought it testy
doubtful whether Lard Derby ought to ban accepted edges
last year. My ownoptnioe' is that be ought to have refeed—
(" hoar, haw," sad a langb)—but hawing accepted it he
bond le have latroduoid • bill for amending the tepees*. I
Wise. Po le I ogre, with the right hon. geothmak
it im 'simplest to say person or any party to int, oleos seek ,
• tar, sumly it is competent to any person or to any party
who ornidered the bill miscelevous to oppose it to the Mi. I
most of thole power. Tbe right which the right her. made-
man claims for himself surely he will not refuse to as. '
I have taken the coulee I did bemuse the bill speared to me
' a tualion and a mischievous one. I have taken
a course which I belie. to be most piellarseateey I
and most ooaveniest for the boas., because if we ,
had gone late committee on the bill, found fault with most i
metrial part., sod hod g.ne on rejecting clause after clause, I
and inserting new ekes* dies sew cisute, we should have
had the gentian reed every hoar whether the governathat
ought not to tb raw up the bill, end whether dent nth of the i
vote bi Lre the last was not destructive to the menet. file
the right home:able gentleman has told We that by pro.
postai this resolution I have, according to his jud g-
meat, peeventel him from de Aeries diet the pews of
Europe was secured. I beg the bone to toppling
that the right honourable gentleman, is *login for-
ward this measure, stated it we, a mann es in.
portent se to be far superior in Importance to isy
question at peace or war—that war had a limited dentin,
while a reform bill would lateens the detentes of the omen,
for nay generations. After this the debt hon. manna
thinks n right to out • concurs upon me bemuse, whoa he
moved the seeped readies, I have opposed it. If he be
correct in his opinion, that say op satin to this bill will be
&amens to the piece of Europe, I say is that ease the
reapastbilliy rests with the government, not with ma They
bat no right to propose a bill of such treat onternassee and
press it to a sewed reading if gay opposition to it would be
dateeeen to tho poem of Europe. (ilea, hear.) They
have no right to ivy, This Is a bill which affects *nee
generation and eters the entre constitution of the esestry,
placing the nomination on • new b.., yd pee mat
peas it with oaly the slightest alteration. Yea mast per It
alma as it is, or you will disturb the mated pen d
Europe. I believe wane of the kind. Sir, I do set be-
lieve our vote or our treatment of the bin will have my
inflamero at the settlement of Europe an peen (Her.)
Now, sit, I will wee red to the gonna with regard to the
manse is which the government have received the late vole.
Sir, I admit there are two pea. ia the anthem which
might edam the government to think that it was Intended
to be • vote of 1:411110Te; but, on the other hand, we moe
coadder whet are the interests ievelved, and what are the
teeing which educed the government to being forward a
messes of reform. Os one peat 1 do not agree with my
boa. friend the mender for B rteinghaes. I do no' consider
it atoneable that the. great quail a should to submitted to
the denim of the coestitesat body before it is finally settled.
think it weed great importaine that this house should en-
&MOUT to HAG this question in the pretest entrion—(hearrr,
bear.)--en in the late debate three we so much agreement
with regard to the general principle! of any measure that
wood be likely to lase, that it would have ben la the
pewee of the government, If they bad itotrodueedareannable
messes* tonne the support of the home. (Rear, bear.)
Coasidang the eries of peek basins., countering she
state of affairs abroad, mariderieg the danger that with re-
geed to this ciliation itself paten may become more mad
more wide asunder, I think it was the duty of the govern.
sneak to exhant every mans of getting this question
settled before they resorted to she meant. of dimeolutin.
(Sear, tear.) Dies antics is of course a perfectly re-listen.
Saul peendieg. Than tun be no question en corns-
tlemal mends with regard to their advice to her Meese,
to Eheelve this parliament sad summon another. Whether
it wee • wise count, le undoubtedly • separate queens, mad
OM epee which the new ;manmast will pe-
n* have to decide. Now, sir, I wee mesa
toasted daring the late debate epos the vagessees
with 'Ma I spoke of any fours mamas of rens wink
I should he Agreed to nipped. B.r, I wee vague ads
Timidly. (Miaseteriel amen.) I knew perfectly well that It
I sketched out • measure which I thought would be adopted
by this hoe., debaters on the other ten voile fates ea
win they cesceived to be its nines, sad wou d in that way
andearear to caned the wheel faults of their own wenn&
(Hear, liter.) I rejoice the the 111111.12111 of the government
has dlaappearei. My belief is, that in the fret initmoom it
sent have tended to the creetion of boroughs as does r
the noteleation borosithe which were diefranehial under
Sendai. A in the Reform Bill of 1832. I believe that its
need costa queen would have been much greeter
emboss thee my coon...tin petty would have liked to Pee.
(Bar. hest.) Sir, my actions of • referee bill
en be mare humble. I hem no cleave a to
Mil the nue whet eon notion are. (Hear, hear.)
Is the Ire place, I do net propose any new basis of tepee-
entities. I Mould meanie the representation of the Home
dCounuens la counties, eine, soil boroughs es it has bees
frets the eeriest !heed don to the menet day. I should
repose • IN. kaarble• is aoustiee. (Hear, Wee) I this►
the eargsarnt of the right len gentleman the Chancellor of
the Iseheivar, that the government could hardly ken pro.
peed • higher franchise Menet the rah of bang thwarted
by a napes, of this Wan was a nand argument, sad I
r think the morass nt salad wisely Is proporieg a Inisseise
et tbst moue. Those freachhes which have been called
r • Lee, lunch's/is " wise Isendei in the bill of 1864; eel
though they may require some revisioa and aiseadamiet, I
am Inclined to think those franchises would lairehtes allege
nestle, of panes who are well qualified le vote. With regaml
t t t I be frame. for borough., I sea of opines, rot withatesillop
ell that wag rid on the other side in debate, that it would he
r useful, that it would be sae, sad nee that it in aleolutely
- veep poetry ta order to make the repreantalkm site, to take-
e duo* another dais of voters is boroughs; and that I would
d. by reducing the pressed yearly vales of 101. to 61.
(Ches..) I think three is meat wheaten in not having
the parliamentary fraachla the menu as the municipal frame
• chin, la latrodocieg the Municipal Reform Bill I stated It
I to be the 'Main of the goverment of that day that it wee
• desirable le keep the two franchise distort. I sat of that
op'akm WU; mad the reports which I have heard from eerier
pees el the essatry with regard to the menkleal franchise
r have sot led me to the cenelasien that it would be desired.
, u latesdase that freoshin for the Aka= of members of

shed It would .et he wile to Welles at all wit\ them.
(lfiaistarial hemilter.) Ia 1831 we settled the privileges of
the human ma they now Mead; we did eo atter math debate
is Ms Lowe, and still more debate is the other levee ; and
I do not thhik it would be wise to make may dowse to that
reaped, althoagh I proposed to do se fn MA (Hear,
hear.) Now, sir, there is another gran "kith I
think should be made the sublet of a swim*
bill , I refer to the question of dlehaweidemmaat sad the
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tedi•tribution of mats. (Rear, beer.) That is • question
which is encompassed with the matt* difficulty. Thus II
sot merely the questios of disfisnohisscomst to be disponi of
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in the first instance, but the subject of niiietribittiOs mime
quotations with respect to counties and towns of the lamest
difficulty to the solution. (Hair, hear.) My opinion is that
Mahout 26 seats were taken from the smallest of those
bo-
roughs which have two members and given to Urge Weenie
which have no member—lf the 26 seats, with the her were
thee, making 30 in ell, were given to sada Omen as Ilerken-
brad and Staleybridge, such en errengetheat would be a miry
great advantage, and would last for may years. Of ewes
it would be mmumptotrus to any that it would Mat for ever.
My opinion is, however, that each a measure as I have huh-
toted f e the reform of the representation would settle the
question for many years to oome. Ido not wish to us any
eagnethes oa the subject, but I think each a measles weoM
be iallidtely beter than the late mamma of the germ,-
meat, that It would produce much Ism Mitarbeiter* la the re.
penseitation, and that it would have the Wert of return-
ing • House of Common more fully qoalffied t carry
ea the boatman of the country. (Cheers.) Sir, the right
hen. gentleman and his colleagues have chosen other-
Tie e ; they have chosen to make declarations in this house
of the strongest mature naiad any farther lowering of the
hanchies, against any farther admission of the waking
(" No, no," from the neiniateriel beaches, followed
by opposition cheers.) I have heard it over sad over again.
(Hear, hear.) From the Secretary of State for the Colonies,
end other right bon. gentlemen, I heard, over and over solo,
the statement, that with the exception of the franchisee
which they propoeed in their bill, they were opposed le any
anima= della working elegem, and that they were opposed
to the lowering of the 101. franchise. I believe that de lma-
tioa to be one which, If it were an; ported by the new perils-
meat, would be a:medially dangerous. I believe that Its
tendency is to make a moat useful and %dreariest,
Mem of men hostile to those who are ab NO them in station.
They would no doubt consider thinners. excluded by an
arbitrary and invidious line, and I am sure parliament would
not be able to maintain that Hue permanently. There is one
question more which my noble friend the member for liver-
ies bombe! upon, and to which I with to aivert ; I refer to
the question whether, when this parliament is dissolved, a
Dew perlivneot will be Immediately summoned. When •
dissolution was announced to 1641, Sir Robert Poel asked for
a pledge that no time should be lout in summoning a new par-
liament, but that it 'heal be convened is soon as possible. I
tames it la the 'Mendota of Lord Derby an! hie colleagues to
pursue a @troller c none; it would be colts unconstitutional
if they did not porous that coarse, it they refrained from
meeting the new parliament se seen en possible. They have,
ministers of the crown, taken great mponeibilides epos
themselves, and I think it is the duty of the House of Com-
mons to aid them se fat as possible by furnishing each sup-
plies at may be require!. [The noble lord being about to
rum* his seat, there were loud cries from the slaistarlal
side of the house of " The Ballot.") On that eubjetk-I can
only my, that if the present ministry intradtte a new refers
bill, and that bill contains • clause for establi.hlng vote by
ballot, I shell consider it my duty to oppose that clause.
(Cheers.)

A mirellesome oco rester' sussed, in which Mr. Drum-
mond, Mr. Hormone, Mr. Dodo, Mr. Newdegate, sad
Emmy Wow usseims look pot.
Mr. B. OSBORNE erred with the hoe. member for
Stud (Mr. Haranon) thin the house had no right to be m-
yriad at the corm takt nby the goverment. It wee im-
peseible for them, after tbe eporse of the noble bra the
President of the ledia be
the right htmoor.thle baro-
net et the had of the Admireity, to remain in °Zoe without
having tommee le s dite3lutre. But he wormed the govern-
ment tbst s dissolution they would seta bell r,tlliog which
k word be kepmmlDL for them to stop. He might not mane
beck M thetheeme—Daughter)—be !sew some hon. members
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wady de all they geoid to keep him oat, but if he did come
he hoped to Oaf • very different hours—(laughter)—p tram-
lerly on that aide of it. He thought they might take • leaf
out of the book of the followers of the tight hon. gentleman
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The right torn gentlemaa
badman to be proud of their unity. (Hew, hair.) The
hon. mamba, for Mallow (Sir D. Nonarys), in a speech
worthy of the Rakes of Mallow—(laughter)—deplored the
went of unity oa that side of the house. But the hoe. mem-
ber was 11;merif mot of the party of two—(laughter)—who
voted soils, the balk of their party cm the lase division.
The moot bad been made of their went of unity by boa. mem-
bers opposite, who had Ithewilie attempted to throw dirt upon
them by connecting them with the boo. member for Rh.
miaghara. (Loud laughter.) He la id • great tripod
for that boa. member—(renewed laughter)—though he
did not go we far fa his views se he did.
However, there wee Halo use addressing members who were
on the verge of diseataties, he should only say it would be
we'l if his hoe. Meade around him folios ed the example of
the party which suppartod the government. One, the hon.
member foe Chatham, had hem down to his constituent* and I
toad than be should vote agsdast the second medial of the
bill, hat who' he leaned to the bones be voted against the
meoluticm. Paraphrasing a well-ksowa thyme he might say
Sir Frederick wee longing t 3 be et 'em
Whilst talking to the Reeves down at Chalks,.
(Inughter.) Let the opposition take a leaf out of the am-
servants hook, ctrl menembrr that if they enact to rid, se
:16earai they mast glee op their Individual crotch-b. He
• to the tails, tat be bad sonrabieg to say
to the bade also. (Hear, hear.) 8o long as two
noble Rode wee not pool as to who ehonld hays the first
sea at their noeegay, so long would these be el-
ms@ he Rm. who might chase to go over to the
ether aide as • peat di,Mnn. (Hear, hear.) He sand
opts the noble lords in the same of patriotism to some to
some diode, rodantanding, so as to mete the liberal Fiery
aasztri asked party. Th• iebt ham. academe the
c piths Exchequer had succeeded in consolidating
wiwportees, mid at the next election they would go to the
bsetinese see met sod united party ; bat is loss as two
sale Rode em tint alio of the 13011911 were disanited,
the Mond pasty omit hope for nothing better than being
Ragged in the dist. U. called upon the noble lords to red
them who was to De the letcLr of the liberal party. The
sob, lord the member far Leaden bad given them his pro-
graainie—a good and immeilie ••• is was, and he (Mr.
Osborne) hoped It wadi bum the diet of banishing indi-
vide, crotchets from the Itherel realm (Hear. hoar.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, replying
to questions that had been acted in the course of the ells-
eteastoe, elated that the Superannuation Bill would be pro-
moted with before the illerolu,ioe. He hoped to have public
Imam so advanosd as to be able to diastole* parliament at
the end of the math. The electioos would be carried
through, and the new hones convened with all possible
despatch.
RIM' INDIA LOAN BILL.

Lord STANLEY, la movie( the third reading of the
India Loan Bill, mitered hate awls= details respecting the
previous ham which bat bean rased for Indian purposes,
either et boom or in Hinicataa; the deficiencies in the
Ladies Exchequer Mialla by the fats revolt; and the financial
mirenoies for width provn had to be toads. Is the yam
16678 the deficiency WAS estimated at sins millions sad in
1838.9 a: thirtein Billions. Thaw wars met by lemmatised,
coatractel. During the ensalog year on, million Mamas
wen anticipated in the revenues fmm bastion. sod a
large mete, would, it waa hoped, be socompliehrd by the
Islam of meaty mimosa now os service in the coantry.
Lord Canting bad takes steps to robe a farther loan an
Cakolts, and bad compated that 4 or 44 relliocs more would
mace to meet the requirements of the coming &sada year.
There was, lierromr, so Intectfin of marline any larger bor-
rowing powers this were Included is the bill os tho lathe,
daring the ormelaresses el the present parliament.
Mr. V. SMITH semphimal that no Improvement had
bees canted in the smagesssat of Indian armorial again.
Mr. Vamittart, Mr. Crawford, Sir H. Willmghby, Sir C.
Wood, Cassel Sykes and other members, having followed
wUh ransseles tapes the flosneisl and political stale of India,
TM WI w wad a third time and word.
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Seer ether badmen having been dipeod of, the house
adjoareed at • quarter b U o'clock.

The Chancellor et the isslsserser will this even-
ing move in the House &Osmane that government seders
of the day take prcordenee et *otiose of motion on this end
ell suliequett days min Ili sd at the itillioll.

The Lord Chancellor reports that the Farl of
Cauttovra baa ettabli.htd Me elates t, vote at the election
of repeeeentelive piers txr Ireland.

The Connoitiee of Privileges in the oast of the
Berkeley Beam* will meet, as Tlkareday.

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Allbim ' that It itlimirable to WEILL a Isla 'Mtn !I ** .
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ioo. Oldeosaa.
al lipiriiir tUe litalas Wylie- 1k &chat et milibouver a : ajlt sio • "I ..
figidly irisli A tbe lipmear. (Cfeen.) Unbent *nue mahoblay brissolsd
mils of this (4611117 to im" a good `Ades' A Fs" Padall 141.. i hal n" cAMBREDGE UNIVERSITY ELECTION.—
If to Pam the ear embed that there is a Ted dift be este tween ajedgmet TM OAIMILIDOI 001IMITTIIS (ft plemaiMin lii, Min-
Om mete hes with raped to political atewinswi sad a judgment with IL, °Pie ILYOTION SITS DAILY at IA TRINITY-
staII and derybig respect to the men who ate at to be satmelid whit jteTh. a 4=l„....m_lf.d.quoreiow and Wks of Titslts Cleheee,
the peat math' plithal power. I believe that la a potbelly Lis ob. . Chainosa.
ie. W. 11..-MP ON. M.A., Mew esti
die opaloo—iftleat le ameratien, lad I do Wok that the shako of p**l4l ' 't--,
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•of Commons should OM ried that the Me. pogo= ha setttleaut the Nom, ar. L es
witraL.
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taut, bat .till a felt temaire I sea esstaialy oat *am dot eniletbra et preset
rest Interest/. the lic- shad h would met be ides to htethre at all with Wm. LW. P. 11.e...°Isn' se et [task ,