The Express.
London, England, 1858-05-08 00:00:00

[T W °PENCE.

jesty's minister to reonsider the decision at which they
Lad weird, and which had induced the Chancellor of the
Exchequer to !rue the production or papers for which
he had asked. Oa the 14th of June lest he (Mr. Kinglake)
brought *inward • motion with regard te the imprisonment
t of the two =Oren at Naples, and thought he might con-
' gratelate the house on the result which had followed that
I motion ; for after the d-claration of the noble lord the -
bar for the City of London, and some other hon. memb:s,
which was oonveyed to Maple. by the electric the
two men were liberated. On that occasion he auotrudedPh. hie
motion by asking the government if it would be convenier
to produce the papers relating to the matter. That applies-
, Von was acceded to, and in the course of the Easter recces
1, the dominants were placed la the hands of hoe. members.
fittiosgst those documents was an extraordinary des-
pitch tress Lord Mithnetibury, in which the noble
I 'lied took the singular and unmated course of
I to the government of Sardinia the particulars
=am7sicsdligittaks the Chanoallery of the Minister of Tour.
That ectreordleary despatch excited great sernialiment. No
one at Tuna or elsewhere on the coutinent could believe that
say forage leithear would hare taken the pains to &Jarrow
a despatch elgsed by a minter of this country accredited
to • kedge comet. unless there hod been a very strong deter-
' minaret on the pert of the government to recede from the
first policy indicated in that mutter despatch. Aooordiegly,
a general belief arose that there was an ,inaction to leave
Sardinia isolated and abandoned by Ellglend, and the state-
ment afterwards mode by the Chancellor of the Rxchesser
tended strong) to confirm thr Impression. (Rear.) He
(Mr. Breaks felt that he wee entitled to deprecate a policy
involving acid abandonment, and that tip_ry was
amiatr
bound in honour end good faith to mar to Eter-
dinia a cordial and genuine support. (Hear.) Finding
that his views were abated in by a large number of hon.
emenbere, he gave notice of a mono*, 11,1410 h he was ranted
consequere of the production of the opinion
of tr. reurecies of the crown on the very day for which
his motion was axed- The next time on which hehad the
opportunity of bringing it forward was after twelve o'clook
on Turley night, on which occasion the Under
iced
-
tow Foreign Affairs made a statement which had laced
groat surprise, for it gave him (Mr. Kinglake) to olierstand
that the objets of his caption had been attained, and that
her Msjeety'a gonenment were acting in corer with that
of Sardinia. The next day, however, he beard it rumoured
that the Under•Searary for Foreign Affairs had overstated
the ascent to which Sardinia was raided with the proposal
of her Majesty's government. Last night, when the question
was put to the Chancellor of the Exchequer when the fea-
ther paper. rimed to by the Under-Secretary would be pro-
duced., be was surprised to tier nut only that the right hoc.
gentlemen objected to their production, but placed his °bro-
nco on • ground entirely inconsistent with the statement of
the lindmilsoretary— (hear, hear)—namay, that nego-
tiations ware still pending, and that the production
of the despatch by which the difficulties were said to
have been concluded would be dangerous. Now under tree
ctiroummasora he submitted that the hour was entitled to
the production of these papers. (Hear, hear.) The object
of his motion was to induce the government to act cordirly
with Sardinia; and the Under Secretary said the despatch
showed that the Sardinian government was satisfied with the
manner in which her Majesty's government wore acting.
He did not mesa to any that the despatch had been refined
to for the purpose of anticipating a debate ; but the Under
Secretary said on the occasion to which he had referred :
" He had certainly hoped that the explanation given by the
noble lord the howl of the Foreign Department, in another
place, would have been as satisfactory to the hon. gentleman
r he believed it had been generally satisfactory to the coun-
try. But stray rate he had the happiness of telling the hon.
gentleman that, although it was not satisfeciory to lino, it
had proved entirely satisfactory to the government of Sar-
dinia. Her Majesty's government bed that afternoon re-
ceived trout Count Cavour a despatch, announcing that he
medially warted the despatch which was sent to him ET
his noble Mend, and that in future be should act entirely in
accordance with the sometime cantaursi in that
is
and with the spirit of the Paris protocol, of April ti'llerteh,7
Her was one minister of the crown, on Tuesday, stating,
amidst the oheers of the hour, that the difficulty had bees
got over by the expression of artefact-ion on the part of Sar-
dinia, end last night the Chancellor of the Exchequer add—
" At the resent moment, when negotiations are brag CU"'
rind tet, nothing could be more inconvenient than to lay the
Dares out the table. When on Tuesday night my hon.
friend the Under-Secretary referred to the receipt of a de-
spatch, ha gave the general result as • neater which might
be interesting to the house. Bat that is quite a differeet
thing to laying it upon the table. Of course, when the wo-
per time arrives., which I hope will not be long, it will be
our dirty to lay all the papers upon the table in relation to
this subject; but at present nothing could be more injurious
to the public service than to do so." (Cheers from the
ministerial side of the house.) Thor hoe. gentlemen who
cheered the noting that the production of &despatch would be
injurious to the public service were probably the same gen-
e denten who on the preceding night cheered the assertion that
the announcement would be grateful to all men. (Cheers
from the opposition.) The despatches fur which be now:
moved were a continuation of despatches which had already
' been laid on the table, and be submitted that he was en-
titled to
of the thshr_praductiß, (Hest, bar.)
The CHariCELLO IL EXCHEQUER
belated the hon. gentleman and Whouse that he=
last mole his speech on Sardinia. (Laughter.) And when
' the hoe. gentleman asked whose version was to be accepted
—whether We hon. friend the Under Secretary or himself
bad gives &correct version of the position of affairs respecting
the &Minim question—he begged to say that he did not
' observe any inconsistency between the two statements, and
was prepared to maintain that they were exactly in accord-
' saes with each other. (Hear, hear.) The question b
I the house was s simple but • very axiom one. His =
friend the Under Secretary was perfectly justified In tie
statement mode by him the other night. What Ina that
mateseest P That Sardinia had accepted the
mule by his noble friend at the head of the
L the despatch to Count Cavour, namfloyr,eileveaM
question should be referred to arbi atration, :under the vise
and beneficent protocol of the conference at Paris. That we
the statement made by his hon. friend, who thought it would
be received with satisfaction. (Haar.) But the house
Mould zemember this, that having agreed with Sardinia as
to the sonar to be taken, it was net to be supposed that all
the diffionldes were solved, although them was fortunately
a complete underetending between Sardinia end this country
' as to the ewes to be punned. Let the house need for one
moment on the importance of the questions remeining for
consideration. The question of indemnity and the question
of mediation were both involved in the negoliatkme which
were about to commence, and no two subjects of diplomacy
were more delicate or difficult. (Hear, hear.) If the hour
had no confidence in the management of this matter by the
minister, let it say so distioctly, and the government would
then understand the position in which try were
(Hose, hear.) But he serried that the papers allutte
could sot be produced without serious detriment to the
Ili aerobe; and be, for otte, would not War Om
arising from their production. (Hear, bar) •
ask the hones whethir what had already Miran Ammer*
r the misanderetandieg between Berffinie and Nap*.
end to
relations of this country with the &Emir, had bees sash
• • to Melinda* her Majesty's goverment, te the coellime
of mellowest t (Hear, beer.) Os their amid= ZaZ
they Wfound the miter la • complicated aid
poiition. He believed they had trashed these stein wilt
end not without moms& Whatever they lad
to accomplish they had imeratiet in doing. Thew
were prepared to the tamer of their abillty, sad widt every
socoosory devotion el time end thought to the bernsse,
bring it to • complete and eatishotsay sonelnelen. Bee teak
laboon would be seriously interfered with if the RIMS al
COMM' shield rises to extend to than that maideam
to which they were entitled, sad he max stela aim*
prods= the F which had been asked per by the has.
gesteme bear.)
Lard J. R mid, that If la the "laths el is
=es. geadems coil set he primal
Mmi lie pn6lis smith ft would he
sibs Ow hie len brad Marl to pram We
haw) He id set dick the boom had say seem
te be with the emote which the goverment had
hides'''. tam en the sedjact. (Hew, hear.) Is dribs
wish tides** two plea objects ought to be kept is view ;
me affirm wee, sot Ile dame Sardinia, bet to =deem. to
eight ibr bee dot retries to which she was
is equity end in *Am entitled ; the ether, scarcely
lose ass te sells the matter without
biegleg sheet Wei sdebtealied tailesives all
OW Italy Mem.) It enema I. Wm int the course
which ate seremmest halipammed was *Ede= assibazi
he sited their elite wail be eammili {Rem)
was swim pith to wish be wished in Ablest lie Miles
el the goesrameat. The memos - hula liimtpl *am
the hardidps and ironies a whiilhesr bed heal web-
jedell ; while the matemplied malthibm cad arbleralles
were Ow es, what was es homes. et . the mew at the
=lad, who were 'Ojai.' to the mthe hid at aselmess
the apthers bed komaly refabon
_Awn him)
Re did set thlak it centremet with Nurse Is ediew these men
tabe in prima damns thilinepe arotalret
lallgoirmeatillrilliillid"letthamddurilibmests6aggivetPinlidmld;w
dimewthrawytirviibedlf
thotArto
subject. Mom, brae.)
oak the Aida hon. Plaollia wham
the eammides with nisi to triunes
be op-
pitted ? (Rear.) •
lb. WALPOLE replied that * With liPatted vary
B. FITZGERALD said he yaw Aid ho cola Ist
glee the Noble lard thy setlathetiey biethelles cm
*let to wake 1M hod releved. The adtaleal this
assist lisielinis were set Bodied to the mi. grinike
tits
lir, busui=r4si tow,
semwk.4
ice meatier l. (Mr. Kfrildisk•
have mieeaderieed Oise' . frit
yards to the ler. Tthelay sat
Me. co mom say aeasameerasat the essteste
the theme* or li aria the by h. dins
se. The lath led a sodas- ea Ili with rear-
am to lbs Cylail. That qtrallikla to be treated

elle lip piallaill dokemey, end wen ens at the puma that
imeM m'.s, thr it slimed net way this why bill the p.
Mead plate et Mermen Re wee, thmellne, amino to mks
olotelemmit will& le Wined weld he se Bs estiollaelory ea
In Wow the boa games net to lie maim a the
elimilim of the boom; end OM NI Met the PM-
=4l lie hello M (bud ) bed matinded
Isis grodimiall.erl The haWAIN= hei Maid
to rimers AY la Naha Wm as the kliewbg mow
kg whish ineibil to thew the tentimint te he
issineet. Trim whom the lionesrehle gentlemen
award that kihemielen k wee &Moult toe.
Sea meo iskelaly did set Iran MI
oweres; sal bew tepoteed lint Millemismomte &odd le teaks by
who we kg In a dined= as Heidi& islgiele to the
IM uenblieb their ellegaillink (Hner.)
With B
iancae oseelniiim which the bum. palm=
MI jaw ilia the impish, be meld wily ea/ that astlies
wee Whew been theinsmilien of the {sea nmank owl that
nekbir mat gay gem time, oar, be hapen, et way fir.
tore te they lib iii mop whatever at justify the
bersollea Mast U:iteteld llagly abeinlew as ally in the
bow d drum
lb. OLAZISTO/11 .rilebed that the mereemetion vial
bud %dm pion bid ahead up IN. Ulkindiellpft 14111
W poly mimed, br be bed - labeemel Menial
fes mole Impieelen es be \mewl ilWllld gyindemon (Me.
Kfw&disd lai& nimek as the neeerhs of the bon. Hader-
=l=. (Haar.) He
c r igt t boar thet the geom.
blew Inie their the case of the mar-
Imele sow of the Cagliari, sod that &kr eseyeeteles in
landed le the onus wril a. to the ship. la amiss to that
vf the negobation, be trustier they wall
swatWl be bear In mind be ineporteme of IN.
damn of lime, bestow by deler and pribuilles
zinienemeniembee riblissi to the mew were a voluntary
el the queedas wild the Merle mad views of Bar-
&Ms end Kaska& (Iw, Mar.) He quite peed with
the sable l•ed the thethlisehr the City at Loodon to hie
sitherlis with reeirenes to IN. sums which the goverstosat
„Ndt hel penned. MN he
le despatch of Lord MlllOlllO.
bar, 41M sot de hi le the views of bar Maksty's
govrement. Oa dee diepabb of Lord Malthesbury
the .reed . Lib* .blab had led to cos-
% the hem d butrestka, be as led
to Yaw that 11.1staam7 did set Weal to sit is the
vpitit ef the lemer d lie J. 11Wessi. These ver wee •Or
moue end unheppy oak but be ~el that the media and
eneduct of • WWII pleb& serest would not be
(Hear, bear.) The malt of as mankelits of
the dorument had lid bon (Wr.Oledstose) to this
that the obliirstios of Eagles/ to Sardinia did :icati=
upon as semseothly «sprained seas, but es the Mbar of
Lard Clarendos, dated the Illik of Dionotwir, owl the leder
of ets J. Rabe', dated the I& of Jemmy. The ebilpelon
mese eat of the sae of Laid Clerendon. sad it out day
wow iii the part of Mr. &shine, ray oversight ea the
pert of Ili7 J. Hodges. It wee only Nike le the gireern-
MEM et Tann that MI should be brought leibie the wand,
and it wee material also so the pomades& of the preased-
Inge of the primmest, and thirebro, In makingtills osa
swot, It mum not in say way he Inked spess se taking ether
dos to their prooredlogs
Mr. H 6 ADL et M (who wee Indistinctly beard in thew
guano, of the noise created by • rush of asernben from the
hoar) was tusderstood to say that ha agreed with the Cham-
omiler of the Eirbequer, that when the present rovermsted
thaws Into offine they found this question is a difficult peel-
don. B. onturratelat. A them on the snoosies they had lesee-
taws oh, toned is behalf oroor two countrymen. But be could set
understand why the revernawnt should not have gone father.
ell we blew was that her Majesty's goverment MS awed
what they canal their ged aeon to the flerdides gems-
meat, sad that the question wee to be refined to a ibeelits
power. The docausesta before them sheered that 1N...
negotiations had boa condomed In the volt umeibleetioy

re-aa- poodblit.
Mr. CRAWFORD eel that they had Lard Nalmee-
hwiY.B despatch easerbi satt the 111141411 dm ewer mew
milted by Mr. Erskine at Tah, mid they had the dirtediell
mid proper mewmetrease et the Swiffialr wieleeer,
win sot informed whether say reply bed helm mode te the
flardiaisn Weimer. U. tbs.& the her await tis tam
whether her Illeiesty's prwerareem dimmed from the el-
earrariese of the &WWl= mintier or not Them=
all reed the Mete la the fierdleireChmalter ea the
Bill. Is which Bailerd wee charged with dearth* Ifeedbia,
an which the house ought to have MN uphastiens her hr
Majesty's government. He hoped that her illsjimty. p-
veransast would medially 00-operste with the Sardinian go-
verasseat in this testier.
THZ GOVERNMENT OF INDIA.
The hones went again into committee es essolutioe Z of
which the following trued' only bed ben easvied, via.. 4• nod
for this purpoe It is expedient to quenthat havileMstr—
taw remainder of the resolution u follow.—" by one
of her priocipal Secretaries of State, Ism and prigs
all the power. and donee relating to the 10.11WIIIIIMMIl MI IF
venure of India which ere or may be sew ezereied ad per-
formed by be best ladle Company, or by the Court of Di-
rectors or Court of Ploprietore of the said company, either
alone or with the approbation of the Comeimiesses far the
Affair. of init.."

Mr. RICH se an amendment to have cat" MO er
bar principal &ere/AM of State," and Meat "a pre-
eldest of council for the government of India." The bon.
gentlemen after expensing him satinsotion at the coarse
th=ernw.est had taken mabandoning their bill. and pro-
by romlote in. saki he did not einisidse it of asy
im-
ppaarree whether the sew fedi= monger was stied the
President of • Board of Indian Commissioaers or the
Pi-ancient of en ladian Conseil ; but he domed there was
a wide dimiscition between such an officer and • Secretary et
Butte. There were hoe. geoilamen who argued thee V
there woe • Secretary of State there ought to be so cowed
at all. or at all amnia • council so mach in sabardiastioa

the sertary that it wear either be a sir ammtty or •
pokiest screw. (Hoar, bear.) For his ova part, he
Omer the raltipbeedes ef seararyships of rate wee a
diagram prosdrt to aglow. lie bad supported
the pommel to treader the powers of the compsey to the
arms ; bat if that motet that they rem establish • Dorsi-
Mreepooeibie, bet rarisaly tnespoeslbia, minister of
he son my dm he -mail roam Wu Um age
mmadead or they were. (Cheers.) He eamidered that the
Nes of • prmider hammieed • gnat deem boost
with the
meld de. sedan a • semil thaw that a • ronomy
Mr. M. Milan Misehmi ths mem mere Imprimis
the the hoe. padsema Ihrolf hind le dr. Is doled
that bit support etas emeammt mad Imlay the
peribie 11141171W0M of httiVise, Met iheog Mt=
Ladle Camps, ia its la wee ilaremed, tba Warp/o-
der prissiest by he power std Prosperity
leg bees se kyr sustaleed areal aet be Mt sight
of la mg* b* raw ermagemme. (Ohoura)
Lord Iff OXLEY said thist woad asp deer be • wise
es the pres et the ammleee, le Wass to went
=yid:Wm hmerbly alesheely whet it Vas le
Mesh verhohe neigh *hp hew It Wlsm ail
by ewe whit bed hard • gest WM Ire the eabjest the
brew him • ymperme might be hid Wee
peer yen of the dere weld
Mibrpst ale
__peek the cresawake and pewee
Si 161 emeall. (Wow bro.) TIM marks bed hem
se aor ; awl 'they had bees redly gieseseihr
the leselta of the reeetelioe of the coma we a reek-
Om eggs h deal ray with the title which the yerlimesesery
seralsser hr ladle ges ti beer. Hs Right remied the eiem
mere the the remmibility of IM setaister wee the sub-
jest a • terms rer,latioe. The Oneefilidin sad powers
it he enmesh were the subplot ef he berth remelealea ; sag
limb hey hi beer my oloosty epee ers sneher. be
Mmad he obis he emleaver a eaperese hese
M aSr with dem whew the prow lee mew
Itr.) The emestehe weld yleige hell be etabig
es h s ie power be be weed be the .kiss ihr lade by
weedy e
yeses(e reedeseee as IS meet Theis wee
=ie ms d estreary el girt white soostartly
twith welly he hulas of the rehear.
?be lgerverey of hoe hr er bee the Ids ; yet he rale.
Ikea with de Her Overdo wevesenewhat yeeelier_ Bead
me hell .bat op se a bogy hr (Loud wised
" Her. hoer He weray pored s• it to show the& She
Yale ef lkotroa ry of Ono 411. e eitb West and
esiesee he yeselew feweelows ie yoriermsdi by
lbstymeeshll ,het The newer of he elesegewe
W *Wel se he me hhilesilee if ads; beg la hie wee
the eel peks hi se .He had she raked be he ile-
weisent ef the eel ..suede ef eels, is/ GEM the
the MMus had ben gemmed very
.begly. (Heer, beer.)
(lase garb) wee set here to derma the oohed se-
lirmeat et Regal h awes pest ; so leek It bad ben
umbel by merry rd gnat farts ; but rest of thee halo
bed seesawed ia r seer which et the peewee the we ware
use
We me& wry hke
be lvis lada Was—he ilerir of strinefeg Is vivre
eel se haw see Nish yews, and re-
*abaft le lead .r
Del Ws wee* pill
dhat. net in elotaties le the the whisk the ladles
raisister was se hew, be le the seen et the ease be wee be
EL It wee se elshethe be the where of bahbele—es he shah seem d policy which them by as
bile • iff, W semloard approval—ma sr be
Nee persieeler reishalse. It wee mid that If they wired
• seerstery ef err May wield mks his so fat absolute
that oho coma woad law whin to do bat give hi. ad.
its. Mee be abed for le. The wee mainly a weeeke
No Mob 111111,1401 is wbisli they should diatom rem wpm
grimly ghee they 11111•111 OS fa. (Rear, Paw.) H. led eat
Wawa se mob hoperimetee be the the of the wisher as he
hits
whe bed seppersal the esseelleee. bee be
we he been re pee. he reerietioe I pram
hos. (new, beer.)

Mr. V. BM ITH served that ft would be will Is mum
frs Abseridne so the coundl aril they canoe to the fourth
rooolusku ; sad perhaps the proposal that thin should to •
posolket of the mood! reboil tbo grottos whether then
shaebil be • sown at all. let the proposal to oppoist
Illswellery el Owe for India 111 savvy with It the hopooloa
dot lo would be,. the solo power. Is discrete, tam paha
fhttp stew multerithuo on • etseleolowal qouptioa. A moor
*toy of Moto soot Mks dr comma& of bar Ilsdoety ; sod
V he we atierwssle t• morale a comma throe WOW I. sews
loossreetimos Is thst. (Hear. how.) Tam Imo was so
2:81sto wadliplylog worteter et ow* who woo wet of
trllh the oweuromet •• ma ies
it we sane dolrehle that
Ihe Who washout should be mere penmen* Mind
Ilhot iity ether after. Zo thought would WNW le .dept
the resoballat ea Ihrot
moods " tropoollbio sitar 17rd'• trowasa.4l."&ear
how) nwo would prolobly west ell the dUlealthe Qs;
hod beim rabid.

Sir J. PAJLINOTON aid. there wall be as objoetios to
Ms not won dtlectiltioo oomolod with
dim The Than
et th• Isdims =WAN, wok Mm
an ask of a isereeary odium than a presidia at a tans-
et It bad bra I agguted that Quill would be a dlllbeally
be taw tadakke taking the pismire of the arm old dew

wards orawakimg his conned , tat there was welly OD prac-
tical dlilloulty Is the matter. The government WSW SOMA
the . and substitute the words " renpannbis minis-
ter et Ss crown."

Inr O. C. LEWIS thought it would be ISM ettemakat
not sow to determine the payees of she scup, bat merely
dimes the tire which the minister should her. By •
montary of state be anderstood one to whom the super-
Madam of • post &partner of the pal* basesso
W boos mimed ; ail the roe was isft ander the
immisthro power dthe mount, to be decided by
kolmodom to the sanitary of Stat.. There would bee cm-
stitational saosealy la requiring that • secretary of state
should Aria the minotion of a najwity of his council. He
doubted whether the bill would piss the house without
Prim the coma some control over the ears of India.
(Her, beer.)
Mr. lILLICE mid the hams had es yet only resolved
that the govormeoist of the company should mess, without
deciding what should be sabeituted for it. Hs wished, on
this mantimel, so "gm the whole question of the chancier
of the mow goneramt. He had no wish to protract the
efil:m. Whin the real carrel of adein
woe taboo ken , 26 years ego, they ought then to
ham boss The government could not ban
•11•11101 • mw inopportans time thee had hem choose fur
this Isekletion has tirematleitatation could not now be
The nape wee la such as ha bad nevri=ari
pined am say mistim. thought that Lord Palmer-
orm's bin woe the most faseble mg practical scheme
that had lona reposed ; but the amen woo too
small. sad them wee no security kw their indspondsoos.
The bill of his amble Irked, after it bad besa sounded is
committee, might have supplied a goverameat hr the align
of India. The 5.11 of the present government he did not
approve of, but it malaria the principle of an elective mm-
oil —s principle ia Mika he concurred, provided the lads-
pedalo. of the etatmed wee secured. That bill was with-
drawn, end thin they spud to proceed by resolutions. Him
noble blood the male" is, the City of Landon proposed
that the applitimmt of she members should bs for lila,
which wee is the siesodon of the hon. member foe
The emisquems of all this we. that the hones
was * ••slats of menthe with raged to the whole MEM.
(Ram hear.) And this it wee which induced him to concur
with his aside friend (Lord H. Tans) in thinking that it
would be barer to talcs time before they plunged
therein. inn legislation which they might shamed. have
raw= to regret. (Hoar.) He was the more Induced to
take that coarse from what had been said by his noble friend
(Lord Palmintoa), who stated that it would be better to
allow Wogs to re ea se they were than Pen a bad bill. He
vary mach aped with the poi itioa which had been pre-
mated heat the Chamber MI Commerce et Manchester. He
*dosed the he.. was 'gamma ca the beim which was
to be fleas by the boss government of lad*. He would
reed to the he.. en mount of that beim which he had
tatted bons • relative of his, who MO imesooted with do
laths board, sad it appeared to You that if they made •
amp la the mode In which this babas was to bit
asn-
deessd by milting the two bowls mar • esentry of Ads
at the moitisat, they would get he. Yakima* swirl.-.
, (Rm. bear.) in the military sad Immisial dspermsta
, dome the council would has to dad with modem which
wise of larger dim ',ices thee the leasesoemed. (Haar.)
The welewasere gooseements be de Coen of Di-
, veram sod the dethaethe meowwacie
fret by
all
poini whet wore
, caned esthatism m. Time was of , ia the
amadel degartmestat imerek the wavy deparrismt, the sisceio
toiserme Eoperemsat, dr maim dipartmant,de statistical
j deponassat, the deportamet, the ealsolmedesi de-
, perm& the public wade, sad the
, whet walpects there mem est Ihms lona U06111=1:-
, a
Wlma with 300M_ pamemphs, esek prop* reddiels:
eer Ia Make Meth* there wee 16,960
teas of morn on whet *A 111•9•1•66 wore founded,
, (Rase, hear.) Theta dampish', nattepmss were mod tad
mviswed, sod swim sect ai, with observations
ea each 'O&M The. wee &matches front Madras
and Bombay, with 17.000 pameamits, sad, In addition
, la them ampoidim 1,741 bed Men -smosival be the miss your,
, ban the matenrimi of the seemed emonamsos, roister to
, soconnim meadow segos* whisk neared orders to be made
throws& Thou with roped to the IdYa may, which
sinammaisd b 190,000 moon in rased amobars, every act of the
governesses n lathe oommored with the arty which wee
not sonctimed by regulates, wee reported to the Court of
, Directors—which ma moth she ems as was
adopted in the Qom'. service. Is the
the army, the pay, ordesam esamansirist, Mel, all
peados. nimbi to protooticro, beam% amd its Judge ad-
r mashisamerismat, loonfinerrvien elsomemwdol, public
mobs. sump ef loan, and Mossilinsons matters, bad
be somidored. Were ail them portions to be kit
, to the gomammt of lads? (Rem hoar.) The govern-
met al ladle mud reamst it, it was true, bat there would
hew earth of a court of review. Let the premodoas of
910,000 ass he pat lato she heeds of the .emery of state,
&ad what wosidamme of dr army sad the dapartnisats
menected with it. The sowatory of war Odd him net keg
ago is his room, when he (Mr. Ulm) mired him If the were
mathag ons parsons to India, that malaise woe so poise so
the wiessimmist, hospital, sad lonasport nommements in
ladn.Other, &sr.) Whoa ailed spa to sapply are to
met ea amts like the panne, they did not foil beams
si the derdsmits wee hies radar strict review by a set of
reiethale wham his rode ftlind (Palmerston) did not
emilsr to be pumas th kr amok "thin. (Hear.) liming
some imperkess of Awake Espewhesats at home, he felt
bawd to am that they tom sempeadvely in perfect co"-
flits, ea what they hel for amd eat an army as they had
the sem Via/ b the Crimea, the whole thing me in such
leweler did there were neither heeffibla. err eamaisseriat,
air tivroparti at hand. (Ham hear.) Let them take can,
Ihmeire, how they charesl dr momsesmemt of all them
(Los) He withal to the awake the
beam ama of the right km. perlime dr member for the
Unimseety at Ozfordosi this that there wen pensions
meaning to 1.000,0001., ths to the del servants end
soldiers a India, sad It showed /raw lightly they were dealing
with this subject when they peremil to legislate upou it
without making any provides ask mad theirpm/Wm
(HOW. kart) The retired pp was 11401/01. ; the
w[ annuities on the hems establithamat win
• Lard Cove's feed, 07,6001. ; them and other
almse 945,000 L Tot • MU woo brought is to
Milk the question of lodises goveramat without any pro-
, dim for securing those poems their imams sad ma-
ereldwi. (Hear.) It memo& Wm that if they hod a
, esernitlos whisk meth -WNW light sa en ihro saldads,
dry weld be in a mash brier Marko kr hatowlas whet
weehiswy Amid be method oa the Monti= of this lest
, India Comma,. (Lr, boor.) His noble Merl mid Its
maid aot tell warier 11 or 111 was the right arks' for the
embed but whether 12 or 111, maid they he ammpsteet to
demi with oil the mattirs which he had dozens' M ly be....
If his amble kind Marl morsip to ham me &ay ble
; be.. bee ie remove the board in
sad bike eras la Cann-row. He
might Ira labia the parse throotors for his council,
sed might maw them--41 thorn wen any objection-
' abin isseabors, which no or suggested—by providing
that three or an of them should rodeo sexually, the govern-
' wrest epplatiog one. Hs admitted that the plat difOculty
weethat ef Motion, and seeming the pomdmos of the
coma He bsliorrd that it a bill was Mr fear or dm
yawn going parliament asopportna ty to set after that
period se aparimos might point out—for nobody mild sup-
pm, I• what they moth mow, that fume &Mirka
would nee be wonted—thywoad be noting hi • seas ma
wise meireer. He bared the beam would retheb
amongst the other domes who were celled ia, he vi=
d
to pm he mike. (Rem bear.) But • more micas amps
reedned bilk& Not am word had beet mid she. the
eterstint of the patronage
dronage off India. Lot them look to these-
em is oad already, amd sey, wise
, they grid of the Pam India Directors, would they sot
all be toe rawly to go to re minister, and would be sot be
obliged to ma* with their requests (Hear, hear.) The
country ewer to know, and the home must know, that
If Whir bill were masented to without asruring an '
pendent council which Mould &Malakoff 'idiom government
sad patronage with as much purity and Meow so they bed
hitherto been adoiristamd with—(thems)--they might make
their erraticism's. to loam leak so me as
Loot at the pabile metres held with a view of=setrsteag
Ida. DM say ma mesa to tel Mu dot it snob • feeling
meet kerns to eat etas India without the latervontion of
am le-p--- nt maaal, that &agar to the stability of oar
wapitis woad aot be potholed I (Ham leer.) The danger
would be peat If mak' balks Y iaplsd were permeated
to act directly the 160 .Ocoee of people ha lathe. (How,
boar.) The wewther fm laimmilike said that the
Ire 110 beta the bout of the dimisecirst goeornment,
bat et the some slawAtemorkel the storms of their more-
wow& Now he (Mr. NOM) bed the authority of the weer
Nam is Bagisad on lodise Maim for saying that
the beet part ot she peas', system was Ito slowness.
He did not lam to soy in nos of war, when energy and
promptitude ware required, but in all immure when the
musitim losiimp of 180 Willem of Hindooe were concerned,
the beet bar fa the war* woo the slow system of the East
ladia Company. Her, beer.) It appeared to him, in
sheet, that we wore a the dark with regard to
Ina* sad that very M ma understood the question.
He should, however, throw no obstacle. in the way of the
amemaisan proosediap ia which they bed embarked, In
which thane peas punks wen mopped:se three dlinnetricslly
ollttits Owl*. bat. for God.lake, Ist them not take
a step, which might shale their ladies empire to its
troandatica. (Loud thorn )
Led J. 111168 ELL Reid that the mornittee bid no doubt
listimed with mach stratioa sad tastraction to the speeds of
the **boa. pekoe s; bat to salt the home suddenly &r-
-im • diseession MI the eeeeed reinituion, to mono all that
it bed thee, sad ow the va7threnhold of its task to throw ap
its boa& la da.thir, weald be a mama, dastardly lime of con-
dm, whisk be was owe the sommishot would sever oonesat
tea. (Be., bey.) With Nord to ipmetieeler reeele-
boa be
the hems, whet they ba &Me woo whether
&Wow of the room amid VMS India 'with or without
• maned, se the bear leg* death Ho was wet vory
ands* about the dissisialan brims masa& end e. but was indeed la that rarer to know the peesal of de
govoramat. But there me ass mamba of IM ulna
o
wee im-
sed that the ethender sad anstitaticeof
rmasiadi which was to mat la gemming India.
New whoa he wowed to Mew wen did hie right triad,
who
epeeking of en latimontilsth omen, Noma toomen that
was to kovetheasispawasef goveridig Laker est? akar)
hart)lts Wed lis pe kmorasa sold i
sentied the bill elde
meths Merl the weesiber aster Them, Ist them ho a
month to ethiss—sill the 11l of bi wine kind gave the
power to the prided to sr eissr—ladopeadent of the
soma where lar seed sessmdtlee would ham mole& BM
theatre. aimieldos had the pester to deal with rade' ef
W peeled loperimes esnmeled with the govermral
laths. Wes the feeptesil ilea to have the Forme Mr

inatineit, to take snip which might resell th • Tzar, (step
W to be .
us en expece epee the ootinVeslictiour U lu nrnime
Wood wee the power in the Wader of the
or the agnecil P If the minieller of the crowns
this would have the responsibility of the midater of the
mown to that house and to the country, and he might be
shied to amount if he should bees:sting in pendeses„
or capacity. But if they bed a council, be It for
6 yule, 8 years, or, as he prpoeed, during behaviour,
and left to the council the demean of those great points of
policy on which the welters and "arty of ladle wee in-
volved, then he contended they would still be keeping up the
doable government, and the sham of responebility, as it was
selled would remain. The minister of the crown would
metheallyirovern, but this council, who could not be removed
incept for some act amounting almost to • crime' would
pnistically he the government, and • government without
vieporibdity. Thum if there was misconduct all the evils of it
would be suffered, while the remedy which the house had in
the ass of a reeposeible minister would be lost. In wee-
lug to the present resolution be conceived that he was
agreeing to a resolution that was entirely in concurrence with
the opinions of both the late and the prawn government
that whatever might be the details bereefter he be determined
epee, that there should he • minister of state who was to be
respoesid• for the government of tad* sad who wee to be
supreme. If they treneferral the reeponability of the govern-
ment to the common or to the majority of the council, not only
would they destroy the present teem of government for India,
bet they nude the new government her efficient than that
white now existed ; for though nominally the government
INS is the hands of the Court of Deeetme, e step taken by
t slam to 1784 was transfer it to the of Con-
trliawrthaawhom the central governing power now remained.
Mr. DISK A ELI observed that the resolution merely
asked the home to confirm the principW that the govern-
meet of India having been membered from the Ram India
Company to the crown, all the tuactioes of the administra-
tion of Indian Oki? s should be concentrated in a minister of
gale. As to whether he should be called a secretary of state or
a president (though he thought the oceatitntional argument
weals favour of Swimmer title) it wee not so important aqua-
tic. se that ft should be made • subject of controversy at the
puma siege of the proceedings. The object of the resole-
d°. we. rather to spree the general scope of the opinion
the house entertained upon the particular point, whether the
government should be pieced In the hands of • minister of
state—the name by which that minister was to be designated,
being merely a question of detail, might be settled afterwards.
He would suggest to omit the fret words of the resolution,
and 'checkoff the words, "by one of the reepomible minut-
est, of the Crown." If this were adopted It might be es well
perhaps to omit the third resolution for the present also.
Lewd PALMERSTON did not think them wee any in-
minaletency in those who had voted for his bill voting for this
resolution. This was not a bill but merely • resolution—a step
towards legislation in which the principle on which they were
to was laid down. Ile concurred with the right boo.
an on the propriety of omitting the next resolution.
Mr. T. BARING raid that if it were understood that the
oremat to this resolution would not bind the home from re-
qtdritag a responsible council to aid and control the minister
for India, he should advise the hon. member opposite to
withdraw him motion.

Mr. RICH mid d arm willing, after what bad taken place,
to withdraw his amendment.

The amentlesett wee withdraws.

Tbe risolation, m shared in accordance with Mr. V.
Smith's suggestion, was agreed to.
A motion was toads for reporting progress, which was
adopted after a mimelloname diocuision, aid the debate
sdjearned to Tuesday neat,
Mr. BY NO moved for soled tommiltios M *tare into and
report spametropolis.s the misting arrensismeals kr dr supply of ps
to tbs
TM HOSE SECRETA3Y seningistl to the inquiry,
sad the imamate* was ceismd.
The boon Opened at griler peg 12.