The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-21 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

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EMU OF WRDII-Izmir, JULY 20.

BILL.

BILL.
This bill poised through committee.
INCILOIIIatE (No. 2) BILL.

This bill elsoTei:sea throoomniities.
IBLE OF MANWURS BILL.
This bill was read* ssoond time.
DOMINICA HURRICANE LOAN BILL.

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Their lordships met et 5 o'clock.
On the motion that the London and Santa Western ILL
way (Kingston Railway Extenaion) Bill be reed • third time.
Lord WI !Mirth presented a petition from Dorchester cam-
planting that the Mouth Western Railway Onspony bed nell
kept faith with the public with regard to certain porticos et
their line, for the coustruction of which they had obtained
parliamentary pnwent The noble lord called Wadies to
the subject of the petition, and concluded by moving Vi
the bill should be read a third time that day three wain
with a view to some e \planation being gives by the company.
Lord EBURY, chairman of the committee before win=
the bill came. objected to such a course, and said that the
measure had no reference to the line between Southampton'
and Dorchester, about which complaint was made.
After some further discuseioo,
Lord WYNFORU said he would consent to modify lie
amendment to "this day fortnight."
The Earl of DERBY suggested that the third ream
I should at least be postponed fora week, in order to amide
the Board of Trade to receive the return which, they nil.
they had sent for a month ago.
Their lordships divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it
The bill was then read a third time sad
THE ROMAN ST
The Marquis of NORMANBY pcsipmed the 110filll
which stood in his name on the paper, on the subject of the
condition and administration of the Roman States, f
Tuesday next until Monday week.
LOCAL TAXATION RETURNS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and
TITHE COMMUTATIOnt.
Earl DE GREY and RIPON moved that the &home go
into committee on thin bin.
The Earl of DERBY objected to the powers of °Dart-
wry redemption given to the commis esters. The principle
was equitable, but its adoption should be left to the optima
of the parties interested.
After an explanation by the Earl of RIPON
The bill passed through committee.
On the report,
Lord RKDESDALE objected that clergymen should be
obliged to accept a compromise in cases where the value
the land was increased by ite application to building pur-
poses.
Bill reported.
METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT AMENDMENT

This bill was mod s this/taw rd
__ pawed._
DUNES REGULATION AND SPECTION BILL

On the order for the seated reading,
Lord RAVENSWORTA presented a petition against
portions of the bill, and was understood to propose an
amendment.
This bill was however read a second time.
TRAMWAYS (MILANO) BILL.
The above bell was read a mooed time.
00IIRT OF titnuars BENCH ACT AMENMENIT

This bill pared themoond reading._
ADMIRALTY' COURT JURISDICTION RILL.
This hill was also read • mond time.
Their lordships adjourned at 25 minutes to 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OF kOMMONS.—FRIDAY, JULY 20.
(CoatisFed from yesterday's Express.)
SAVINGS BANKS AND FRIENDLY SOCIETIES
IN VDITMENTS BILL
Sir IL WILLOUGHBY and Coked STEM briefly span
against the bill, after which the committee divided ea Ow
question that the Gist clause stand port el the hill :
Ayes
Noes
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The clause wait therefore lest.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER laid that es
the lose of this clause entirely destroyed the bill he woad
now move that the Chairman do leave the chair. Wheels
from the opposition side.)
The house then resumed.
REFRESHMENT HOUSE% AND WINE LICENSEE
(IRELAND) BILL.
The house went into committee on this bat and several
clauses were agreed to, after some discuseioo.

On clause
Lord NAAS moved an amendment, the effect of which
would be to exempt what were called the " dry" lodging-
house, kept merely to accommodate travellers for or
LifThhe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER consented to
bring up • elan* exempting such houses under the rental et
201. a year, in towns of less than 10,000 population.
' A motion to report progress was made, and negatived by
79 against 29 ernes, but as it was now four o'clock the sit-
ting of the house was suspended as usual.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
EDUCATION ESTIMATES.
Sir J. PLEINOTON asked when the education estimate
would be brought on. He had a motion on the subject,
and it would be a convenience to himself and other members
if they had notice of the thus when the estimates would bo
brought on.
' Mr. LAING said he was afraid that in the present state
of public business it was impossible for him to give ads-
finite sad satisfactory reply as to the exact day on whisk
these estimates would be brought on, but he would give
due notice, and endeavour that they should be brought ea
at an early pestod of the evening.
OfrirEILNNT OF INDIA ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. VANSITTART pve notice that on the hon. member
for Portsmouth (Sir J. Ephinstotie) asking leave to bring ia
his Government of India Act Amendment Bill, he would
take the sense of the house upon the propriety of intro-
ducing any suchMANUFACTURE measure at this iperio MUSKETS.d of the seasiou.
OF
Mr. H. VIVIAN asked the Secretary of State for War
what number of rifled muskets had been manufactured at
the government establishment at Enfield during the twelve
months ending :10th June lark and at what rate the mann-
facture was now proceeding; and what number of rifled
muskets had been received from contactors during the
same period, and what number the government were
liable to receive under contract.
Mr. S. HERBERT said the Amber of rifles made at
Enfield during the year ending the 30th June was 90,707,
which gave a weekly average of 1,744. But the weekly
average had since been aimed to 1,900, and when the new
machinery was brought into operation, it would le nil
further raised to 2,000 ; *416 muskets bad been reinived
from contractors, and there were still due from contractors
99,626.
DISTRICT PROBATE REGISTRARS.
Mr. HADFIELD asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
whether it wee intended by the government that the pay.
meet of district registrars appointed under the Probate AA
(20 and 21 Vic., c. 77) by- fees should be continued; ar
whether the government would take into consideration the
extent of services performed, and order payment for the
same (under the 111th section of the said act) by salanso,
and carry the fees to the Consolidated Fund account, and
make a reduction of fees payable by the pnblio.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said govern-
ment had already acted on the principle to which the hon.
member's question pointed. Some time ago a minute at
Treasury was passed placing those officers on salaries, under
the powers given by the act of parliament, and requiring
that after receiving their salaries they should account fir
the balance of the fees to the public. Bat the aloes
affected, or some of them, made objection to that measure,
and made an appeal against it, which was still under con-
sideration.
EXPENSES OF THE BONDING OF GOODS.
Mr. HADFIELD asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
if his attention had been called to the loss sustained by the
revenue in consequence of certain small ports and creek*
where goods for bonding were not iinported at all, and in other
places to insignificant amounts, and the duties collected were
disproportionate to, and in some cases below, the cast ; and,
whether he proposed to revise and correct the lame.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said no one
on reviewing the comparative charges Rad receipta of the
different ports of the country could fail to be struck with
the extreme disparity, but it would be a mutate to estimate
the charges of each of thole ports exclusively by a reference
to the amount of revenue received there, because there
were many services to be carried on by the custoins depart-
ment, and there was the whole business of prevention at
fraud and smuggling. These were utterly unproductive be
themselves, but at the same time must be sustained ; but
after making due allowance on these grounds, be was sen-
sible that this was a fit subject for the attention and consi-
deration of government. He mentioned at an early period
of the session that the government were engaged in the
consideration of what steps should be taken to diminish
these charges. He was afraid it was impossible to do any-
thing in the lenient session.
THE DISTURBANCES IN SYRIA.
Sir J. FERGUSSON begged leave to ask question et
the noble lord the Secretary- for Foreign Affairs of which he
had not given him notice. He wished to ask lillll if
he could inform the house whether her Majesty's govens-
ment were in possession of any information affirmative of
the reports which had appeared in the newspapers that
troop had been placed ou board French mennfwar with a
view to their going to the coast of Syria ; and secondly,
whether he would state if her Majesty's government is-
tended to join with the French government in any active
intervention on the coast of Syria. He asked also what
was the nature of the papers which her Majesty's govern-
ment had promised in the House of Lords should be pre-
dead, whether those papers would be despatches from her
Majesty's representatives in the Levant, or merely • narra-
tive of event'. He also wished to ask him whether be
would produce copies or exteecta of all despatches aditremed
by her -Majesty's consul-general at Beyrout to the Foreign-
• in the years 1858, 1859, end 1860, which referred is
post or apprehended disturbances in Syria.
Lord J:RUSSELL said !eminent had no information
that an troops had been on board French ships with
a view to interference is but the French government
were in communication with the great powers al
000aiter
and he believed with the Paste, wkii, • view to
whether intervention should not be made for the purpose et
assisting in putting down the 'Athol' of the massomes
Syria, and that matter was at present under the considea-

ben .4 her Majesty's geresser se well r of the!
horn peritoneal. He del set believe there was
soy .oteation of the Preach powernent to act alone
is the affair. With raped le soy Interference to take pare
se the part .4 her Majesty's goverment, it would Set go
broad that witith be bad seated on a former monies,
ieriely, that sips of the Ms and other ship should he
was to eh. mot of eyrin with a view to prevent the re-
word .4 then reeseres ; if the *Maim' should think it se•
oven. he word be empowered to land marine. on those
ese sm. kit a. 4 t.. go bared the roam. With regard to the
papers to he produced. they were printed sad Dearly ready
ler or•slis to. They were only in fact narratives given
• British ...mode of what had taken place is Syria.
Me ,i at so objection to produce copies of the despatches to
the nos realism§ referred
THE S.ILMON FISHERY.
Loop Pansy appeared at the bar with the following answer
of Lai Malady t.' the addire of the House of
▪ pint that a eau:minion might be appointed on this sub-
ject I have roared your address, praying that I will
owe a coenaninies of inquiry into the minion fisheries of
Mail and Arid Wales, with a view of increasing the supply
id • valuable article of food for the benefit of the piddle,
end I have directed that • commission should be issued for
the purism. which you have requested."
SIR CHAItLIDI WOOD AND MR. HoßAM.tli.
re. LAING liar* moved that the house at it, rising
eider iono tiU Monday seat,
Mr I'. WOOD took the opportunity of referrieg to • per.
easel attack made on his by Mr. Horsman tho previous
waning is his absence. He complained of the att. It being
made without stair He had been charged with simpresa•
hog papers amsected with hi. department. He thought
he bad disposed of that aectuatiou on a for ier *serer.
The papers ia quokkas were moved for, mid were 'ranted
is seepposed retort'. His personal duty was then concluded
end ime knew nothing of the progress of the printing of the
ppora but he a/forwent, arertained that there had bees
ern (May. Mr. Homan had state.) that he (Mr
a Wool) had declared that he knew nothing of them,
sitheingle he had ksows all about them three lass befogs
Be met thus with • direr denial ; for up to the delete on
the second ma.liog of the lodise Army Bill be had sever
sew. therm Mr. Horner hal erne moved for papers or-
retro, among other., a eorreefondeses of the mierstarise
:she sal War in MM. f the papers existed they
meet have been in both department.. The secretary for
War bad told hint that the papers were mit in existence ;
mad when Mr. Horatian aaked if be objected to their pro.
Auction, be !..1:1 him so, but that he had nu ohjection
Is Um, prudivtion of some of the other papers. Ho had
sever said. as stated be Mr. Monroe, "that the paper.
were set i. his t.Y,r r. Wood's) office." No such comer
Wires took jiLice. He never heard anything of the matter
until he received the letter which had been read by Mr.
Morsera. The right bon. baronet went on to state in
skald Mr. Honman'a statements, and rave them all in the
main an emphatic denial. In reference to the relation. •
between himself and the Indian Council, he state,) (het
they la I beeti entirely satisfaetory, except his ditfereucu
vitt. them on tee subject of the Indian army.
Yr. HORSMAN, in regard to the charge that he at.
belted C. Wood in his absence, 'spored why he left
ate house mat before he (Mr. Mormon) mei to Aileen the
lout% which he .1:.1 without expecting to have been able to
de ao, looking to the briars before the house, of the
Awe in which Sir t'. Wood was aware; and as supply
was the nest order, he ought to have expected questions to
be put to hint. It wis because he (Mr. Harman) heard
that the ladisa Army Bill would be brought in on the fop
lawng evening that be reed the correspondence in gum.
15... 11.. stand Sir C. Wood of concealing from his
militagues in the cabinet, whoa they were discussing what
bills were to be throws over, that hie Wit bills would he
uagly opposed, and also of doing his best to push the
Indian .trmy Bill before the papers eseental to its roe.
rieration could be in the hands of members.
Sr C. WOOD, in explanation, said that he left the house
bat night is coasequence of a :message which 'what' received
that Mir IL Airey wished to see him.
Lord PALMERSTON—As the right hon_ gentleman has
ollscled to re, I will vesture to address to the house one or
two words (Laughter.) And I must may I never heard a
more lame analogy and excuse for one of the most di..
ON animus proceedings that I have ever known in the mune
et my experience in the House of Commove, in the shape
eV the &trek which the right boa. gentleman has attempted
to make. Whirs.) I hope sad beWrire that the right hon.
mentlemes is the only member of the house who would 10
sanduct himself upon rich an occesion. (Cheers.) What,
Menooth, is the statoment of the right boo. gentleman .
Be bad, Met rvoing. in his pocket a corresponderice, which
le maid be brought down to the hour fur tie purport of
noe. (Cries*, " No, no.")
triIORSM AN I did not refer to the noble lord, but to
lb. hon. member for Ayrshire.
Lord PALTERSTON—Why, that makes the matter
versa (Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman has in his
peekst a lame which he thought afforded a good
✓ues why I, having announced yestenlay that the Isle
Mill wadi osier on today, ought not to proceed with that
artammaaast ; and yet he ears he had no intention of reel.
ing that correspondenee. (Cheers.) Hut the right hon.
mid he hal fair mown ui asppose that, become
Li-Ligroin my hon. (neat the Secretary fur India St an
ser(y period of the evening in his place, my right hon.
friend wee a! n there when he Made that attack • heurise,
Ile marl. it we. the duty of every member of the go.
einumer to be in his place whenever • 01/01•
2/416/0 of supply was going on. Well, I csa
011iay thmt that rule ie sot the order, of the hrooe
. 4L
)--but I assume that it was the right boa. gentle.
▪ practise when be was in office. (• Hear, hear aril
braghter.i Bet Irk the right hon. gentleman is fairness
Ibis. .ta bon. member may be in the seighboartiood of the
Renee ; bet eves is the cane of a call of the house, when
orrery member is called by sans, and required to attend in
bit prom, he is set compelled to remain there afterwards.
Therefore, resume the right hos. gentleman sees an hon.
member in be pla.e, he is sot estitled W ripper that he
rust he there au hour or hell an bur afterwards. But
the right Ms. patients* had is his head and
la h.. wwiLat • virulent, an le:temperate, an unfair,
as wawa Imam attack. I will sot use stronger language.
daughter) The right hon. gentleman riot/only used lan.
page yeshiniay which wadi sot sows! at the time, but was
OVisioly sotaltogether naval in parhansmt. Well, having
in his heed and in his pocket that attack, what man of
feelang, of commos generosity, who felt and koew
attal were the axial °birder,us between man sad moo,
wield not, before be stood up to make such an attack, have
kith the trouble to aacerthia whether my right hos. Meal
sea is his pin or nee Ad then he ought to have given
ha satire; soy other member .4 the boom would have
shies my eight Ira friend maim. Why did not the
sot hoe. sentlemen go op to him, or seed and tell hint,
"rmy gay la the house, I skean to animadvert mar your
mindset ; d is des to yes to IA you toforehanJ, and pray
)tree the redeem to reseals is the hour (Hear, beer.)
The fi the way a which members of this horse's
melly
sesdai themeelest. (Hear, beer.) Then d nor right hoe.
friar had Not Mesas preset, the right tax. gett!enus might
fray Ira abed sheet his myelerionely absenting himself,
bia wish to wade the enhjeet, sod so forth. Tie right bon. I
mys I volualieered to my not that the
raigmas nArmy Amalgamation Bill would he brought
as ye-oarielay bat to-day ; but eves then I think it
rsold have Leos part of the usual courtesy between
mangles sad member to any. " Von have given
Belem of a 101 l to-sight. I have certain mama to show
why that bill ahniaM sot coos ea. Papua of very gnat
Impertwor have sot bees prodnonl. You will see the oil-
Mnay el kissing as the bill tonight." That would
n • proper plea fax the right hos. gentleman to
make ; and I should have felt booed to comply with :no re•
oast rat, reload of voinsteering the statement. I heir
tory I hid no *rob thing. I was asked wheat the state of
public Insignia 1 conceived that the question related not
mesh b. the brinses of yesterday, but to the brines
ignserady. Hit wino ant a.. I replied ea I did simply from
•desire to give a fuller answer than the question might
seer to require and I
stated what was to lei
Se course of 1.0840.041 yesterday. That being the ego%
.and the bill to which the right hon. gentleman objected
net beta:named for last night, but for to-night, time was
zit/
hula
LIMO
yof MO to have made that courteous appeal
z
samosa which be thought gees) why that bill should sot
rune •al to.eight. But the right boo. gentleman is really
aeon end lie has Ids ear at the keyhole of the Indian
OseaciL (Hear, hear.) He knows everything that jacca
lbws, which is couoesled from everyone else even to which
nay the itieis go. (laughter.) He know,l even the
Illegosed fpi of that council, which he saes an reduced
imigaillearoe. The right boa. gentleman has also the
advantagn of hav:ng his ear at the keyhole .1 the cabinet.
4" Hew, boar," and • !Augic) The right hon. gentleman
nays that at the time when my right hon. friend received
ties eceneworerius from him, the cabinet was at that very
moment diagram' what measure. should be rejected arid
what pried Now redly I ant bound to secrecy. 11..sugh•
brA The eight hose geiitlontan appears to be released from
that aIISILIPPII. Hut I can assure the nee& hon. gentleman
rat he speriag of matters of which ho is eutirely and
4,-uorant. (Hear, hear ) This however is not a sin•
oshirlestince is which the right bun. gentleman has been
gala as intaeinary breicli .1 secrecy relating to matters
fa Ile ...),met Iwt&A, he comely°. himself d
Is rake. I think there is in, case whatever hir
tlbr Attaek. Blears.) I sioccrely mite:. with the
sward 1 have per•oi illy fur the right honourable
gentlencsu diait h. ahualtl have made it ;
egad I think that all Men who value the modes of pence
one which an usual between members of this house must
Lit upon it with the greatest concern and regret. (Cheer.)
After a (es words of eli):+thatints from Mr. tiolumAN, the
Maajeet dropped.
THE EQUEBTILIAN RIM IN KENSINGTON-
GARDENS.

.1.tk168 rage to nheTiacatSin of the nohle load the
Tait i 'onouisouser of Works •• to whether he hal ohwind
the sanation of the criwu to take a lieneiii;;ton•
guviens before ilettAlS out the mod for eilueoruns,
which hail been dote under he direction. He yid
that ti eultsletante of tie fatality bail been surprised ...le
lane ono et aeon* a space staked oat with inch
fir the purpose, a. they supplied, .4 forruinit a communi•
I.etween iyhorniri use Helirisve ; but it turned out
afterwards that it was io•etrleel .sio an equestrian road for
the it,. of lawyers and doctors; and which it was sod
will roliven the neiibbourbood. Now. nothing he
thought looked lees lively than a lawyer re horseback -
♦ 1•04111 who, to uses a legal phrase, never warned to have
OlAtIVe into a covenaot for quiet enw)ment with the
animal un wluth he rule. (A I ioira./ Nor er'":4 te im.-
igiDe a WWI Calettlattd to eacite *amuse

caner. comidsring how badly lawyers generally rode.
Doctors very seldom rule ; but 001111 10 doubt
were to he found in tits ride, in order to be
ea the spot, on the chance of the accidents which win son
to happen. I Laughter.) A memorial against the himerstion
however had been signed not by the lower orders
the , but by 1,501) of the wealthiest inhabit's=
el. hauled by an able judge, the Becorder of
the City of London. What they declined to have interfered
with was the tranquillity of these gardens. One gentleman
had been followed on to the drive by two large dogs, which
got over or melee the hurdles and frightened into coevul-
aims some smell children at play in the prima. When the
right leer gentleman was appealed to, he mid " When I
am ollcially informed on the subject, I will put a geese
rasa at those hurdles, to see that this does sot oceer
again." He (Mr. James) thought that the man must
very green indeed who would attempt to interfere with •
large mastiff or deerboued in leaping over the hurdle".
(laughter.) But then it WM said " Oh, but people like to
we
the riding." I" Hear," from the opPositiots side.) He
Aid not know whether that cheer came from his
honourable and learned friend the member for Wal-
-1 liegfunl—(" No." from Mr. Malins)—wbo was cer-
tainly en exception to the rule, being an excellent rider.
His answer to that was, that those who liked to see riding
could resort in thousands to Rotten-row, and see it there.
(Hear, hear.) But the clam of gentlemen and persons who
wanted tho privacy and tranquillity of Kensingtomgardens
for their wives, children, and 'errant' were the very persons
who did not 'tenni to dock amongst a crowd, and as the
riding in Rotten.row. (Hear, hear.) He would aphis
why he put the question—whether her Majesty bed givee
her eanctioo this ride. These gardens heelless always '
of • private character, and always devoted to perisetrisas.
(Haar, bear.) This was the case as far back se 1705. BS
Lac Newton had passed the latter part of his days in that
neighbourhood; Crahhe had written many of his poems
there; and Yr. Mill, the eminent writer on India, had spoken
of their tranquillity and solitude. Her Majesty had drawn
her L t breath, and held her first council in Kens =
Mies ; sad the public naturally believed that those
were nuere especially the private property of the crown.
They were beyond all question vested in the crown. He
&mkt be the last person to introduce the name of our illus-
trious sovereign in debate, believing that no monarch had
ever sat on the throne who was more solicitous to promote
the comfort and welfare of her subjects. Lord Enfield bed
an • former occasion asked whether the First Commissioner
of Works had receives) many applications, or any, before he
node this encroachment ; and his answer was that he had
receive.) none. Then upon whose suggestions had this
been done! (Hear.)
. . .

Mr. HUBBARD said he had supposed, from the energy
of the hon. and learned gentleman, that some great consti-
tutional question was at stake. He had seen the new ride,
and knew its extent. He had inquired of the police at
Moth ends, and they laughed at the idea of there
being the slightest danger to pedestrians. (Hear, hoer.)
They maid that how such a stupid alarm had
originated they could not conceive ; that not •
single child Mid teen run over—(great laughter)—but they
admitted that all the ladies with crinoline could not get
through the rails. It was meet unusual for pedestrian to
erode in that direction, for the road led nowhere. The
people generally circulated on the inner side of the gravel
walk. The part beyond was rarely frequented by any but
lovers, who sought • more secluded part. (A la sigh.) He
thought that the acquisition of that park for equestrians
was a very great pin, without detracting in the smallest de-
gree from the convenience of persons on foot.
Lord ENFIELD did not think that the park-keeper and
the "green-men," as they had been called, were quite
the best judges on this subject. (Hear, hear.) There was
no wish to encroach an inch on that patios
of the park which had been enjoyed many years by
equestrians ; but it was not unreasonable to ask that the
comfort and privacy hitherto enjoyed by persons on foot
should not lie encroached upon by the equestrians. The
deputation which he had introduced to the right boo. geve
tletitan consisted of gentlemen residing in that neighbour.
hood. There was no vulgar outcry on their part against the
" upper ten thousand," or in favour of popular rights ; but
the question was whether the privacy, comfort, and safety
enjoyed for many years had not been encroached upon. He
hoped that the right hon. gentleman, who had shows so
much readiness to consult the interests of the inhabitants of
the metropolis, would recoosider this matter. He would
ask again if any patios of the community had meruorialiaed
in favour of this ride, (Hear.)
Sir J. PAKLNUTON mead be was bound in justice to
the Fir,* Commesioeer to say that he was extremely
obliged to him for the alterations. (Hear, hear.)
Whether there had or bad not been any petition or memo-
rial in favour of .opening the ride, he h.ad no doubt there
would be a most numerously-signed petition against its
being closed &pin. (Hear, hear.) He thought the arrange-
ments such that no pedestrian could suffer the slightest In-
convenience. Every twenty yards there was an opening Is.
the hurdles through which any one might walk; and it was
nonsensical to say that the horses were any ibstruotion.
The arrangement in 1,351 was totally different ; the ride was
then right aeries the gardens. Now, • very sunny spies
was taken round the external margin of the gardens, and
there woo Mill • large space entirely menus:ached on for
the enjoyment of thole on foot. The privacy of the gardens
had been spoken of. Certainly they were so private at owe
time that he had ecarcely seen any one there ; but now
there were ten pedestrians in the place of one who west to
eojoy the increased liveliness of the gardens caused by the
'saws.

Colonel DICK 50!..1 said that MO point had been overlooked.
The whole oppo.ition to the ride arose from a few locally
interested parties, headed by their boat members. (Hear,
hair.) Inconvenience there could be none. Even on Sun-
day afternoons there was oo large number of pedestrians in
that part of the gardens The Chief Commissioner had
acted for the benefit of the whole eommonity, ea he was
bound to do, and not merely for the inhabitants of the
district.

Mr. COWPER had no hesitation in saying that he had
' not made this opening in Kensington-gardens in conse-
quence of any representation made to him by any persons
whatever. He took on himself the responsibility
of having originated it. In the management of the
parks which was entreated to him, he had thought
It his duty to follow the maxim of seeking
''the greatest happiness of the greatest number ;"
and be had heard that the greatest number of penises who
took enjoyment ea the week day in Hyde-park took it by
sitting cm chain watching the hones in Rotten-row. Others
also seemed exceedingly amused by sitting in carriages
equally watching the bones. (A laugh.) It bad occurred
to him that the best way to promote the enjoyment which
the le sow took at the east end of Rotten-row would be
to similar facilities for • conjunction of riders and
n only in some of tires very beautiful portions of the
Maltt area of K • -gardens which were very
rcOrpiented, and now su rved hut to a small extent
the amusement of the public. On carefully examining the
pound, it appeared to him that if the riders, when they
reached the end of Rotten-row, were enabled to pas through
ems of those avenues cooferseedly not much frequented,
though it was near the Brisid-walk, • Luger number
of peewee would derive enjoyment and recreation from the
distant western end of Keasisgton-gardens than did at pre-
sent. By carrying the ride along the north side of the
prdens —s place not math used—he had given the advan-
tage of a Cvmmuniatios from the north side to those who
lived oa that side, without indicting any inconvenience upon
them. (Hear, bear.) He hail merely placed the hurdles in
a temporary mapper. He bad incurred no expense; what
was dose was maaifestly in its nature temporary. This
ride could only be open during the summer months ; in its
geneent state it would hardly be safe for bones is 'elute,.
When the time came for closing the ride, at the end of the
sewn, he should be able to ascertain what was the pre-
posidersiace of public feeling ou the subject ; and that would
he •gguuide as to the continuance of the convenience. The pre-
of reasons was certainly very much in favour
of this ride. (Hear, bear.) One argument that had ken
premed against it was, that it interfered with the quiet and
retirement of persons who had hitherto frequented that
portion of the gardens, and be could only my that if some
few solitary persons who desired to be Wooe in those ave-
nues were prevented from pursuing their quiet meditations
in that particular spot, there was ample space in the
Antes (300 acres) where they might do so without the in.
truaion of horses. (Hear, heir.) But it was very doubtful
whether the purge of persons on horseback did so mate-
rielly interfere with the quiet of the park. Great objecdon
and great opposition ought to be made to bringing the traffic
of the town through such • plaee as Kensington-gardens.
(Hear, hear.) He certainly should not desire tome any por-
tion of these gardens or of Hyde-pork in its pre-
sent condition used for business purposes. (Hear,
hoar.) The parks were mainly for the enjoy-
ment and reereatioa of the public. Bat the opposi-
tion rested principally on the ground of the privacy and
quiet of those it the immediate neighbourhood of the
western end of Kensington-gardens ; and from them came
• strange remonstrance. They said that they objected to
au invasion of their rights. They were not content to rout
their can ion the convenience of the public and their en-
joyment ; bst they sought to swell this matter into a
great social and partied grievance. (Hear, hear.) They
said that their rights were invaded. When he asked whose
rigida, it was irupomiLle to get an answer. Thu residents
of Notting-hill and Kensington appeared to saisoirtrt that
they had some privilege or right to exclude other persons
from the gardens in immediate contiguity to themselves.
In the desire to exclude all but pedestrians, they did peso.
tically and in effect exclude all but persons who lived in
the neighbourhood. Here and there a casual person might
come from a distance; but the bulk of the pedestrians were
those who lived in the neighbourhood; and if they ex-
cluded all hut pedestrians they excluded the general public.
(Hear, hear.) What right had they to do that? The gar-
des were maintained by public grants. The inhabitants
of Kensington had no mote right to them than any other
portion of the public. He was told that there had been in-
ilignetiou meetings, and that persona said this was • greet
invasion of the liberty of the subject. There were in most
parishes politicians and orators who, desiring vestry
honours, were always on the look out for an attack by •
" bloated and pampered aristocracy" against the rights of
the poor. (A laugh.) But he did not think that whoa a
man was rich enough to have • hone of his own, he teatime
• bit more re,coolle.a of the interests of the poor than he
was before. It was manifestly absurd and preposterous
to raise a cry on this ground ; for wlso were the eLiss who
were interadal iu this matter? In ancient tunes, 1111 {IOUs
were divided into the equestrian and pedestrian classes.
I Happily in England anybody whohad Ts. le his pocket, and •
littl -elerture, Intiht heuonia of the equeetriasela.. (Laughter.)
It hail linen nail that this was • matter et excluanie, but
if so it was exclusion on the pert et them who wanted to
exclude the riders (Hsu', hear.) lie camidered that the

picturesque effect of the gardens was not in the least dimi-
nished, but, on the contrary, that they had been made
cheerful and amusing by the presence of the limes and
ridsee, and he knew that a vast number of persons took
this as a great loon. He believed it was quite imaginer,
to suppose that there was any danger to children or to their
nurses from the presence of the riders. There never
bad been a single accident in Rotten-row. But if
there was any real danger the ride could be
crewed by a light bridge. ("Bear, hear," and laughter.)
He should like to see each a bridge, for he felt persuaded
it never would be used by those persons. It waa true that
he had received a memorial signed by 1,500 persons against
the ride, but he expected another in its favour.
Sir J. SHELLEY remarked that the person who headed
the deputation to his right hon. friend was the Recorder of
the City of London, of whom he did not think it could be
said that he waa influenced hy a desire for vestry renown.
The riders of Rotten-row objected to a carriage road being
made from Belgravia to Tyburnia crossing the row on the
level. He thought they were right in that, but they
ought to be the last persons on that account to be sur-
prised that the pedestrians wished to preserve their walks
Intact.
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