The Express.
London, England, 1858-07-21 00:00:00

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me. Bat even if they should be chiefiy Americans, if they parties would not have been entitled to cow propertyti P
awe settled amongst English colonists they would soon
identify themselves with rho land of their choice, and the removing the property before the 16th of May they hadYat
conditimas of the imperial government. This was a known equitable, if not • legal, claim to favourable consideration.
principle of general application. He believed it did not sig-
nify where a man mine from, but that if once planted en to be treated es favourable ea parties in other places P The
ground hallowed by English freedom and overshadowed by time in the White Sea wee Wooded up to August and geptem..
English law he would become English in sentiment. (Hear, bar. The fact was that Ronan peoperthad
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beer.) With regard to the settlement at the Red River, he then English property, and that cargoes of Russian property
would Me the opinion of the Hudson'. Bay Company them- were removed in the White Sea without molestation. The
nava In a deepateh addressed by the company to Lord Raisins then:waves allowed up to the 18th of June for the
Glanag, ta February, 1837, when they applied for a license, removal of property ; and it wee a remarkable fact that the
they Sated that the soil and climate of the Red River settle- property left Innen' at Meatier;
ment were favourable to cultivation and that it wee shout to England by ita omen, so that it mush ender the revalue-
,* misdeed by the English. But 'then hopes had not been ship of the enemy, whilst It was &strayed when it fell Into
realised under the auspices of the company. Ina &spat& our hands. (Hear.) The story of contraband et wee was
from the Lieutenant-General oommanatng in British North utterly without foundation, and it was wall known that tie
America, it appeared that the settlemeet taunted of 2,000 athir of Admire! Plumridge was a mistake. He brought no
English, Irish, and Scotch, and that thee, Irate 6,000 chiefly charge whatever against either Admiral Plumridge or
half-breeds. Now, when the land of a district was taken Adrenal lea ' , brit cooddered that an unfortunate accident
the trade went with the land, and the monopoly of the Bud- had 000arted ; •and believing that a claim to the favourable
eon's Bay Compery at the Red River settlement had almost conaderatioe of the government had been made oat, he
virtually creed. (Hear.) Now come the difficulty with respect should m_pport the motion. (Hear.)
to the territory under charter. If the charter eras valid, the Sir C. NAPIER was of opinion that Admiral Plumidge
lend belonged to the company. It had been said, " You was perfectly right In the mares which be adopted, and that
mu t try the validity of the charter." Bat according to the any of finding gook artlehe world not have done his duty
opinion of the late law Meows of the mown, the rights of the if he had not &obeyed them. (Hear hear.) Any officer,
company were to be deemed valid. The matter had not been neglecting to do so ought to be brought to a court-martial,
examined by the present law officers, but it should receive and was the way he would have served Admiral Plum-
their moot careful consideration, with the view of ridge. Bdereno. had been mode to the data or the blockade ;
ascertaining whether in strict justice end equity the actual date wail the 16th of May, but even after that
the sown could raise the quation, or tf not, ample time wee
_given to emeels to get away. It woo Sae
whet mode her Mejeety's govarament Mght be advised Captain Hey bed not destroyed any property at Lebrun, bat
to reoommend to parliament for that potpies. dare was no ancraband of war then to be duleoped.
Further than that he did not think at the present moment He should like to know whether*'ima& urarnment paid
they would wish him to say. But hi wee booed to may on for the houses destroyed by him at BeYrout and Sidon daring
behalf of the company that it was far from showing itself and Syrian weir ; they did not even pay for the comae'
stubborn or impracticable. The company did not say, house. ; it wee the Turkish government had to make tom-
" That is our land, oar charter covers it The company causation. Captain Clifferd's report of these transactions at
end, on the contrary, " Tithe what land yea phut, but"— Uleaborg states that he ep%t two hoots in swnlning the
and here came the difficulty—" but we rely upon your property, and actually refrained from burning the Coma*
honesty, end we cannot suppose that you will take that barrack and government stores, lest the fire should spread to
which we have long possessed, unless you can prow that we private home. It was fropble for any officer to have
have no right to poems it. We cannot suppose you will acted with more humanity and caution. Admiral Phu-
take It away from us sinless you pay us for it." It was in ridge did nothing bat what was quite according to Hoyle.
that dilemma that the right hen gentleman the member for (A laugh.) The only way to carry on war and
Taunton propounded his scheme for uniting the objects distress the enemy wee to do them as much
they had in view with a fair treatment of the sheltie as usable; it was the only way to ding
company. He proposed to cede this territory to them fiat ont of port. It was most unfair thus
Canada if Canada -should give satisfactory evidence of to bring Admiral Plnmrfdge before the house four years
Intention to lay out roads and townships, and accepting the after the traumata (Hear, hear.) He supposed they
administration of the district. Thera he thought, was the would next have Admiral Dundee brought up for throwing
hitch, and as to the Hudson's Bay Cimpsy, he proposed to shells into Sweaboeg. It was very easy to make humanity
renew its lionise for twenty-omen years. He also proposed that speeches, but ha believed Admiral Plumage bad only done
three commissioners—one appointed by the company, one by his duty, and he never had an officer under him who did so
Canada, and one by the imperial goverment—should with more humanity.
consider what compensation ought, under all the charm- Mr. WEGUELIN declared that the supporters of the
stances, to be paid to the company. If Canada rejected those moan had no with to attack the admiral ; the question really
propositions, their hands were free for fresh negodabons, end turned on the point whether thew article. were contraband
he wee bound to say that he thought the company were of war ; and they merely asked for • commission to
disposed to act in a reasonable spirit of 0011011•3011, and be ascertain that fact. They could show that the timber was
hoped that he should be able at the commencement of the fit for building purposes only, and that the story of the gun-
next session to propose • scheme which should receive the boats put forward in defence of Admiral Plumridge had no
main of parliament. With regard to these three peopo- foundation. There were several precedents for compensation
Miens of hie right hon. friend, he said, first, that the license bunch owes. After the bombardment of Copenhagen the
certainly would not be renewed for any district where there English government gave compensation; during the siege of
was a prospect of colonisation. Her Majesty's government, Antwerp a quantity of English property was destroyed. A
however, reserved the question, whether it was desirable to claim was made on the Dutch and Magian governments for
renew the Wens over more remote districts. With regard to oompeneetion ; but although supported by the English, it
the question of the charter, they proposed to submit the whole was not admitted for fifteen yeore.
dame quince to their law oars; and with regard to tole- The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said it was very difficult
Sutton, he granted the e: for it was, after all, to know on what ground this claim was really put forward.
that—of arengthening oar empire i n British North America. The matter had been fatly considered by the late gown-
He Used that the arrsngsmeab they would be ablate make ment with ovary desire to do tall justice to all British imb-
would be conciliatory to all parties concerned, and that they jects, and he trusted the hose would not Interfere with the
would be able to lay the foundation of a civilised community determination they had come to.
in that large territory on principles of justice. There might Mr. CLAY said the delay in bringing forward these claims
be great difficulty, but the government would look with was in great mestere attributable to him • the subject was
confidence to the indulgenceof the House of Com- brought under his notionarly in 1866, but he advised that the
mons. Hoping that what he bad mid would convince the claim should not be until the war was over ; first on
boa and learned gentlomen that his views were all taken account of the difficulty of obtaining evidence on the spot, and,
into serious consideration by the government, he would not seconly. because whilst the war continued there would be
farther detain the house. an unwillingness to do anything to damp the ardour of the
Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought it of the naval officers. It was for the house to judge how far
utmost importance that the rights of the Hudson's Bay his advice was correct, but he hoped the claisante
Company should be asoerotined. The prospect before would not he reejudioed by having followed it.
as wee of liontelles Inegllftads. Thom we, the whole Mr. MALIN 8 said the Solicitor-General had stated as an
question of the oolonhatin of that country from Vancouver's argument against this claim that it was not made till 1866,
Island to the banks of the St. Lawsuit, and the route but It was made in me, laths a mouth of the occurrtnee.
along which salsa& and other made might be laid might He did sot think any blame was attachable to Admiral Plum-
depend on the denim that might be taken daring the nett ridge, and he was prepared to concede that the articles Se-
twelve menthe. The question, therefore, wee of vast lm- Merl were contraband of war ; but them things being con-
porton, and t
hawug the attention of government, and ceded he did not maids was an answer to the claim.
I rim the right gentleman had matured his plan Those persons were carrying on their ha& in the usual way
it would be well worthy the --attention of the house. He when war was declared unexpectedly to them, and their pee-
wee inclined to think it was far better that they platy ought not to be destroyed without compessation WON
I *mad have a separate colony than that they should attach made to them, their property having bete destroyed for
that vast territory to Canada. In the first place there might British interests.
be a conaderable oat, some military force might be aeon Mr. PRICE said it must be manembered that them dale
teary. If so, Canada would hardly undertake the expense of were lying not In the port bat en an island, aid were pointed
military aid. He thought it would be worthy of this pen- eat to the admiral aa the property of Bridal subjects. He
try to establish in that territory two or three colonise, which thought thh wee a ease in which the parties wan fatly ea-
might in course of time resemble in some respects the great titled to routpmedins.
Sake of the Amide= Union. Mr. W. CRAWFORD briefly replied, and the hone
Mr. A. MILLS mid there appearad an almost unanimous divided :
concurrence in the three resolutions of the hon. and learned Am 66
gentleman. He thought It desirable that the Hudson's Bay Noes lO5-40
Company should net at all events at once be stripped of the THE WELLINGTON MONUMENT.
&Side which were not capable of colonisation. He thought in answer to Mr. S. Wourerr,
ale that something should be done for the protection of the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid it
native mow who were fast ffiemeg. would be impossible to make arrangement for the right hcm.
Mr. LOWE said, if it WOMB adstirreead to take away from the gentleman to bring forward his motion on this subject on
Hudson's Bay Company any port of their land for the pur- Thursday nazt
poet of oolnhation, the aossay would not stand much in THE APPROPRIATION BILL.
I the way. As • eommereiel body alias they use madded to On the second reeding of this bin,
• felrend realawalith sothielloodewt Brainedi_..bowever. be Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complained that the effect of the
ltorrY to loolthleallthesdogald oflothaddiffithonamoilonof the mum was to neutrals. the efforts of the house to act as
validity of lids eborter, whist bod bees ee lOW eelegeleed guardiamo of the public puree. In a recent case a sum of
td the &deka of a Wart of law. Ho Insisted log. laO oh! 616,0001. neon than had been voted was spent under the
stooks to the loaddisbololit and government bgals orcollk7 heed of naval stores, the money having been trusteda
a Wm, la a lierrilery like the Ref River. oat inseam- from the vets foe the transport of troops and primers
dbh wept ihrengh the Dilated &WS% and which it would el war, which happened ts be to seems. He Mettml
be difficult to died. to softeteet that all the changes that were made to the Unto-
After Dome rennin by Mr. Count', of the pub& money should be laid before the hone
Mr. GILPIN leetaghed in Moog hems against the tale gtii saustokomotery estimate. (Hear.)
and Pail of the Hadesaf a Bay Conepw. maimr monk& The CHANCELLOR of tile EXCHEQUER sail that
of the tut est sad soli Malay of their servants with the when they west into committee upon the bill he would Matt
Indio'. tato some explanation with regard to the point raised by the
Yr. KINNAIRD took a different view of the coedinot Si hen. baronet, and be thought he should ha able to show that
the coloPerlY. The evidence before the commute. of lola there had suer been any abuse of a neessury power.
year, he mid, negatived the conclusions of Mr. Gil". The bill was then wed • second time.
M. C. FORTESC Mt likewise spoke fn vindication of the CLERK OP PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
cm p . This billi peeped through 'amenities, after underpin a
The iltsany. etwelOn wee manned by Mr. C. Pitman:lam, Mr. ramble of anipobasces proposed by Lets Nsia.
Wyld, and Mr. J. Fitzgerald. GOVERNMENT OF 24EW CALEDONIA BILL.
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in emeso with the idea el the _hd,
had niandnedimaDbiniTAGHErwas IdaP,,,tridT,„:„.o.l7ClU""ed. COUNTIES BILL.
but little lea& in So leeyddentudiV. elitielibed C A BRlDffift ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
with hie OM sad /I& ehie MeteMillef.
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*Ye of the •ifempsy, but be did sot e,7 tied be sual awe BILL.
Fm dike In Nese for heed liethion. But ifts• Lord J. RUSSELL moved the third reading of this bill,
had blow net ell MIT old litegay. as • what. nulls Mr. NE'WDEGATE asked the noble lord to postpone it.
disposed to have it entirely in LW right hon. gentlsoan!s Loh J. RUSSELL said his objection to that course was
hods. He disputed the petition of the right hoe. lumbar that he hared ha 'should not be able to bring it on to-
thrlbithendnits, ant the colasiseeket of this territory mad morrow.
Mho& Smithies' Ithit Ameba end also guesthened Mr. NEWDEGAT'E moved the adjournment of the &-
hos. muskeg geoutiphy . He quoted the Data.
of file . lifeepia es to the eztemffinara The hone divided
is of the end he apschl adapts- For the adjoionment as
ties fart d thitdimposee et agenhation. In reply Agais4
Ito Oa of Mr. Latoedwre's, be sift Colonel NORTH then moved the adjournment of the
lit we, a fake hamenty to endeavour to punt the bona
Many of the Had Man, which was to disappear before the A diesenion mimed, in the owes of which it was stated
= of dviiinakm. lie begged OD withdraw ths
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The moths we. withdrawn eocordingly. Xis house (avian :
For the adjournment 29
THE LATE WAR.—CLAIME OP BRITISH
Against it to-77 '
MERCHANTS. Mr. HODGSON moved the adjouranetet of the &boa
Mr. CRAWFORD roes to um thee set hembile either he Lord I. RUSSELL; rather then boonyenienee the hems
Polosalsdth low MONO. Plifillarldlthw wcallWandhesiT by continual diaartes. scented to the sitournmed of thei
pissed to appoint a royal emmishe to kg/keine the &bob imul thi.-,i;;--(y wed...day).
efe=imode by Meth fiber gadgets allwalfludika MILITIA (SERVICE ABROAD) CONTINNANGE
llseepeety km lithheffire hum el lthithsig,th the BILL.
GeN of Barkisfa thrt rollsof woo volk do = The bill wee read a second time.
Erie, as ease ed he& lie Meech& Th Lords' atortedseate is the following bill, were M-
iry Mama wad 0ad.,1112,121,,,,,.5...8rf.„ AMU =deemed to : Churches (Inland ; Confirmation of
eatA014114101,000=1.11411:_w,_••""'""• ''''‘''''. Ezerstors ; Ecandasticel Corporations Leasing; Nisi Prins
Crawford's) Afoot fa • fbh•l'''' Wag not so math Gant grata); and Stanhope and Wohleglam Buiterise,
to meet the systgrathy of the Hemla nailer of the hie- ams.
WII" a Uirthild es 1.111.. 41114 "MN "114.4 la 16. MARRIAGES (MOSCOW, TAHITI, AND NINGI/0)
part of the owners el the peuerly theheyed a eldia eg. the BILL.
How' dCrwmaawl• ThairmitT via thill".l 11" It The bill thrush comrades.
jewtheation, la the to, the pratelemeaca of Admiral ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL.
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