The Express.
London, England, 1860-05-22 00:00:00

THE KII'RESS

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Lord LYNDHUREE said he should emir bine/ to
the prodigal peket—tho privE of rat house, relorkd
with them of the Roam- of Mimeos. be shriwied,
could lone Fry surd= ;an lbak IwiWS• W.• d.
use to isser whet their prrilegio were. • ilootrao
km Lid era at • "err reatizrest for the Leak to we-
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these eireememer bad faith bis hdyto state bid views
sad oceshoions eg is the sables*. Hs did sot in-
ner to dermas, bat to toy before their lordships, p=
W simply, her, prekdos, aad Pardalas wrath
lead ars, wilier dere, to • err sonsinsion. It me
snot
to be rot their lorthhipe had so right
to moor egad iginate • mosey tin. They bad
lard Win ak, berm" they had no power to armor it.
Preareate had ham tried upon occurring is 1671 and
to jeer that that house had no power to reject •
mosey bill ; but they oily showed that their lordships
bad so ppoo er to creed or originate such a bill ; sad
her prised of the want of fairer and candour as
the part of those who cited theme promisor that,
en the very next pap to the very book from which the
documents were rhea, was a direct and deliberate admis-
sion is NNW that the House of Lords had not only the
power bat the right to reject such • bill, aid that this
preeedwit had not been (looted. This right had bar arid
=without dispute is numerous instances, seven/ of
were referred to by his lordship ; bat this
teas • bill for rolierriog taxation, which, it„was aid,
created • distinction. This, he observed, was •
✓eel doctrine, and at variance with the practice
A bill with regard to the distillation of spirits from
was discussed in the House of Commons at Fast
sod all the agricultural interest took part in it. When it
are up to their lordships it was Woo dimmed at great
length ; but after an reared debar tho bill was throws
out, sad yet not cm syllable was aid en the sub)sst by the
other boor (Hew, bear.) So he her it, that wire a
few days afterwards • hill was brought to by the Chaacellor
of the Exchequer to make arena for the leas of atria
duties, be rarely mid that be introissed hie warn in
cerequense of the *err of the bE to quirks by the
Hasse of Lords. (Opposition obeete.) The gas oat • bill
had prod that and the err hors of sad bad
nerved the royal aim* it bosamo of the kw of the
kat The individual suilmityef tho of Ocaromme was
at ea mid. sod Übe my other law it soak only be regeolud
by the resoareenes eller teasers of the kgiellahms, amid
with the rased of the arra. The whole of the soreases
of the country could not be Warr by the Hone of Cu..
moos unitise b rajoation with their lorablgs. (Hoar.)
He DOW eras to • goer= which was ripest imperanos
net osly to both beam of paremet, but oho to the
coustry,. namely, the eerie sod privileges whir their lied-
ships ckimed sod orreler—ned for themselves, but froths
people. (Oppeekka shaming) When hi heard II odd,
With respect to some sisa of • penny is the imam
tax, that they bad poser the11111•114 Ibis
he knew. that their lordship raid not have @lna or
that penny. They bad no right to mead that bill, soil if
they had attempted to do so Miry vosuldhave mead • pretty
clamor in the House of Co moos. (Ohms.) The QQreties,
is fact, came to this—if rah lora* were rliied they
might deal with the edger of the paper dorm that they
had not only the power bet the eseritntiosel right to
reject this Sill, that they Win sonar there was as renal
deficiency in the emerignee, that ta the nor pier there
might be a most earner deficiency, aid that the prier*
state of Europe was wadi r to crate warml samiry—
(cheers)— he asked the, would they wader such eirour
✓acier comet to give up, set oily for the prier year,
but give up pennanently,s as amounting to • million sod
a halt(Hew, boar.) is
was the propritios he wished
to put to their loreisips, mil he( felt satisfied what their
answer must el aseesetty
_be. Opportu chem.) He
should arias hinwelf I. Er guestion of privilege, tat he
might Marv, that the adrasione with respect otalsiithe
aad same of its aseergashaseta wire new hot
away, sad man were intern to foal that,
boot eloquence hod sharms, yet, like other @abortions,
it was sot without its damps; some of Ibsen Wen to im-
providence sad neirma Satin request* sapierlie F-
irm," wore sot ismendiallo essibloatices. (Cheers.) U
bs rids Merl should mace the erearkeent of which he
bed gives arks, be (Lad Lyndhurst) skier give him. for
the rem = he had rated, his cordial sweet. The
hie sess.
ark sad leaned lord was loudly rimed oa resondog

LordRWMIDALIi said that eons how aissebers of the
other Woe d pediseamt had represented to him that is
cosemaisas of the maber of strewn meted below
their loselobipe bakthay wen alksether trete
hearing tha preseal He therefore move
that all Ammon weep romikees of the Home of Om.
-on,. sad the eldest some of peers, remove from below
the bar.

The modes was speed to, ad Immediately acted upon.
Whew Um oowfusioo which followed had somewhat
subsided,
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Lad HONTEAGLE warned their lordships that the
walks they were called upon to determine was, not
whether they should adopt the bill for the repeal of a mil-
lion and a half of taxation, but whether they would di-
minish the security for the payment of the charges on the Con-
solidated Fund, which would strike at the whole credit of
the country, rad deteriorate the value of public securities.
This hill, would establish • precedent which
so hour man wwY Mbar in dealing with his creditors.
It was es edema in the reckless policy of substituting
direst for inEresa which could sot be resorted to
without peril. The rail dalemest of the government
showed • supine al 4114,11161.; but had we the. surplus!
No sash thing. It had remblied Me this air, end he prag-
matist's! 6 clear deficit ei ereenue nazi yaw el 11,0113,0001.
He roved to defer the sewed reading ter el: mouths.
Lord DUITERIN said dieter aside lords w ho had spokes
last had insisted upon certinpreeedentio which they enume-
rated; but haying lig the eseriesy of the noble lord near him
been embied lemairlareniesseeer et lie eirmonetances out
ef which thses preenbein mess* submitted that they were
sot analogous or veglisehis to the present realm
(Cheers.) la oo deole bre me had a finsucial scheme
immeisted try_ the lime Ourneas been interfered with
by Ode luniel4if brim (Memos) The noble bares mar
hum had hid Brute Arms urn the amount of the km
which would be eellered if they were to forego this tax,
and he had even gene so far as to capitalise that amount.
(Hear, bear.) bet • lax ones emderned by • bill which
bad pared through the other Mime mold se more be ex•
meted to bear fruit than • tree the bean eremp of which
wee stuck in theApromelesuld he espeetedne pal teeth haves
sad flowers. (Nese, hem.) Raving mem* bra teem the
country he was Utile ebbe to appreciate Mang= is
the public min.:friar their laribilps. who had remised at
home. Popular opinion had been invoked by imam of
misrepresentations and eztretions biedame whose
bend prejudices sad 6111110 pram mined their
undoubtedly great talents of lees use to the neentry thee
they otherwise would have been. But he believed that the
rated language that had been held had only ends the
peorsle of this country regard with greater affection and re
meet the tins-hosoured institutioa of the realm. (Chem)
He believed, also, that if their lordships wished to fulfil the
expectation' which had been entertained, and to confirm
the opinion which bad been formed of them, they would do
it by acting with digeity, with moderation, and in accordance
with the spirit of the constitution. (Hear, hear.) He could
only apologise foe having trespassed on their lordships time.
It was always most painful to him to do so; but he trusted
their lordships would look with greater indulgence upon the
fact of the younger members of their house venturing to
addres them upon such an oossion when they remembered
that It was the younger member* of their lordships' house
who were most likely to see the day when they might be
celled to account for any mistaken conies of policy which
the home might now adopt. (Cheers.)
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that if they were
passing judgment upon the budget of the government he
should agree with most of what had fallen from his noble
friend (Lord Nonteagle). Neither did he admit that there
was the smallest constitutional doubt as to the power of the
house to reject the bill ; but what would chiefly influence
the vote he should give was the fact that they had mimed
an Income Tax Bill, imposing an additional penny in the
pound in lieu of the paper duty. It would not, therefore,
be cousistent with honour, honesty, or equity, to reject the
present measure. The noble lord (Lord lionteagle) had
spoken absolutely in favour of the paper duty ea •
tax ; but he must remind him that he had every
statesman in both houses of parliament against him.
The House of Common' had Famed a revelation that this
tax ought not to fpm • source of permanent revenue, and,
with the exception of his noble fnend, be did not bell vs
there was a member of their lordships' house who would
my it ought to be • source of permanent revenue. This
was • tax affecting all trade ; it Wii II tax upon exwrts to ••
1 degree which thew lolordshipdshi would y He
! wished their lordships well to consider the parties of that
house and of public affairs in general before they rejected
this bill. He agreed with his noble friend that we were in
• condition of financial embarrassment. The embarrassment
next year might be very great ; but would they make pro-
vision for it by rejecting this bill ! They had the power of
rejecting that bill, and of rejecting other bills of great
consequence. He did not like to prophesy, but he
could not help saying that it was his belief that
if they rejected this bill they would do that
which siebp able men had been trying in vain to do these
last two years— they would get up an agitation in favour
of the Reform Bill. He did not approve of the budget ; but
looking to the perition of the question and the credit of that
house, and the position of public affairs, and knowing the
elasticity of the resources of the country when they had
a contented end industrious people, he should vote for the
secoml Wing of this bill.
Tho Duke of EUTLkND said be could not agree with
the noble marquis, that bream they bad pared the room
tax bill they were therekee to pea this bla. lon easeedie.
lag the merits of the bill it wee moessary that they should
consider the whole budget Looke" at the problematical
character of the estinstesfoiroextyser, and the inexpediency
of parting with so huge and certain • source of reverse,
be hoped their lordships would pet a negative on this bill.
Lord CRANWORM mid the constitutional q
was one which involved the hoses in very great &Seely.
each • Sep as that of retiring to concur in the repeal d •
tax uuder the rirennestamse se the preset case had, he
insisted, sever been takes by that house. The hod pram
dents cited by Lord Lyndhurst were iniuglicable to the
•-sap of a bill repealing a tax which formed part of
Ho kedge& He examined some of We presidents,
po.ntinx out the di.tiactions, and observed that if this was
lo be the first time thew lordships took a step essictimeid

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Lard CIIILIIIROMID, the Lard Creaworth
hal not denied the newer el their le refine their
awn. te • many 14 neni that aresedeale
by Lard Lyndhurst ware is rink end applieible to the
preeent era If the been had the power red the rleiht to
rid
time devolved wpm their lereld he
tiny, awl if taw bedirreed Wet the
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eire°l=bill,liet the =zee tine that the tea sad rept
duties were retained, was inexpedient, they were bound to
reject it.

The Duke of ARGYLL said that whatever Importance
the government !nicht attach to the °pagina-
ting queen= which had been referred ito, he
w bound to any he did not think it would
be eonsielest withpe duty dthe goverment, or respect-
ful to Asir MAW house, if her Majesty's ministers con-
ed their 00111110 10 the present Instance to that argument
alma He did not mean to say that that ground was not
bread enough to sustain the vote they were asides the
home to peso. On the oontiary, it was amply broad
impish. He had reason to know that there
were may noble lords who would vote with the
that might, who, if they had been mem-
Crioallatf the government, would have voted
the proposal for • repeal of the
ad why 11 they had been member of the papero of Com-
moms eves, would have voted spinet that repeal. Bat
these sale lords now felt, in the circumstances in which
they wee placed, this was neither the time nor the place
wham the repeal of the paper duties could be opposed with
=thy or with (Cheers.) Then wan, liewerer,
section of their lookbiqpe hoessa,whces *alone the
t were bound to madder, and to whose judgment
rieriasm their duty to appeal. He had reason Ito
know' there were many noble lords on the
beithes opposite and on the benches below who
felt scarcely lees strongly than the government the grave
inconveniences and dangers of the course they ware sow
asked to take, hat who, on the other hurl, were penimided
the repeal el the paper duties was connected with each
daaproelunt of finance that they were prepared to
non the as the lesser evil of the two. He had
read pager af a petition presented by the inhakitaate of
Lers. They nesneted that the nose for national de-
fense led ineriesed the hares at ioa upon the lower
and working arr. Now Yr he (lb. Duke of Argyll)
maid aot seem* to. It wee sr bus thud the duties on tea
sad wear, for exam
hl'
rebrivel upon any
clean of tho arm . Thee tbe ' said
that the Mb et hem lb nellemi sourer
mast Were kw bipeds the derispreut of the
leerier emir of the pediple. Heir thee dr-
curehress ray limed that the Ur would nob pee the
bill for the mod of the
_peer My. Now, It lees aid-
eared by a mils lord who bed in the debate that
the paper deity was a . The truth was, that
heiagmedLr
all tire ernes epee seas • tire tended to
genserrale tribur the et a few large proprietors.
Why bed are bra Ilie bilenered eppositice to the bill ?
Nears the rilicarmen row Set directly the
duty was reseed, • Number et ran rib would mom-
dithely mikes ithe existemee. This showed the necessity
for the mama of the tax. A noble lord had actually
capitalised the lax, at the rate, he believed, of thirty years'
percher Het he (the Duke of Argyll) would give long
obis that the tax would not swim another year, because
atter • lax had her condenned sad repealed by one house
at parliament M me thimely hurler to suppose that it
orb be re deiced es • perreasel errs of revenue. That
=liblin to the last part of the t. Ho was not
o dry the legal power and of the hour jo re-
hoe say NH that saiSkt be sent up for their wt. Ulnae
many an ions et *sir lordships hour rein* the re-
=der be (the Duke of Mbieed NOM bee. •
et sag der legislative • eall:ffil=thies
were marl in laver of their ; het
ithei power ard their lepl right mar wary be re-
lry eseribileer prise and surikelicur urge.
=ire mem why be thought emir losibidWpowers
re be rear MI iiill series wee Wii---that it
ocaninst achirdedi WI so fir es the inesnler at that house
wen oesegurdry rim miredited to a policy of which
the repel el th. pem Wesel • part. They had
Main on rap salt, and bricks.
bin rare= a weer which had proved mitten*
ineesedol, and whisk bed received their assent. It bad
hese, moreover, tree eendeenned--once by • resolution of
the Housed Ociariese, sad mice by a bill which bad regu-
larly pried through al its stages. Surely them were
drantreems why the he
should withdraw its opposi-
tion. DM Maur. Ili was a supply bell. Between sup-
ply MI sad Mr there was • great distinctioo—
and he knew of no since the revaluate when their
berldps had throws east • simply bill ern; bad bra
pried by the Gamer He would even go hither and
my that he behoved that it re unusual and unprecedented l'
eves for the Howe of Conner itself to throw out
• bill at this nature, when proposed 'by the
reap le Maiden of the Grown, unless they
erethiew the government itself at the same tune.
Thin was rear objection to the erne which was pro-
posed to be tree is rejecting the bill, and one that sight
be have great moral weight with their lordships. When
the House of Commies pared the income-tax, they no
doubt relied upon this house acting in the usual manner
with regard to the Paper Duties Bill ; otherwise it japro-
bable theiturtiVt not have sent the Lucome.tax Bill up
to their in the shape they did. This was not
the irst time had been threatened with an alarming
dearth Is 1857, Mr. Disraeli prophesied that in the
meth year there would be a deficit of 1,400,0001. Sir
George Lewis in van attempted to satisfy the right hon.
Mrthat the deficit could not be greater than
; and what turned out to be the ear? In 1858,
Mr. Disraeli was himself Amines minister, and he had to i
report that the inoome of the country had be act
411,104,0001., the higheet sum at which he had placed it,
bet 83,120,0001. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (Lord
Lyndhurst) bed ipdicated an opinion that the first
pepulerity of the budget had somewhat paled ; and he (the
alibis duke) was quite willing to admit that for some
weeks these had been • °malice of those songs of triumph
which had burst forth front all the commercial cities of
the empire. But that was because the public thought that
the budget was quite safe. (Hear , beer.) For his own
part he should regret the rejection of this bill, far more as
• member of the House of Lords than as a member of the
government or as a supporter of the fiseseial ressonres of
the right hon. gentlernaa the Chancellor of the laelrespir ;
for he was satisfied that it was not in the pelmet the noble
baron who bad moved the amendment to reverse a nen.
inertial policy which had been sanctioned by the country.
The Earl of DERBY said, with respect to the coo
stitutional question, he should be satisfied to leave
it on the footing on which it bad been placed by
Lord Lyndhurst, notwithstanding the difference of
opinion expressed by Lord Cranworth and other
Leeds. The Duke of Argyll had stated that there
had been no instance in which that house had re-
jected • Supply Bill ; but he (Lord Derby) pointed
oat an instance in which a Bill of Supply had
been rejected ; and more than this, the present, be
said, was not a supply bill. The main question, how-
ever, was-the abolition of the Paper Duty 'and the
objection to its repeal, mid in supporting the amendment he
performed only what he "deemed • solemn duty, with
no desire to embarrass the government, still leis to
overthrow it. He did not theoretically defend the
paper duty, and he thought it would be desirable
to part with it if the lam.. permitted its
repeal; but what he contended was that, ciretunstasced I
as theociantry now was, the _runner of this tax was an
improvident and realms act Loth Derby then proceeded
to discum the ananein part at the question, observing
that he had limbed to Mr. Gladstooe's financial state-
ment with the coavictios that the House of Commons had
been blinded to its defects by the brilliancy of his rhetoric.
He analysed that statement, and the process by which Mr.
Gladstone had, he said, converted • large at into an
apparent surplus of 464,000 f., which had already dis-
=ciwithout any provision to meet the serious del-
of the ensuing year ; and ia this state al rags
he was throwing awe of • million. Emcees
the 1
in military e Are for the China war sad the
outlay for f ' had to be added to the
budget, and, taking the Chancellor of the Ex-
amples own figures, be contended that in the
premed year, Awe would be no surplus what-
ever, but a very considerable deficiency, which in
1881-1882 would amount to 2,600,0001. I said (con-
tinued the noble earl) I would not only fortify
myself by the facts and figures of the right hoe. gentlemen
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but that upon the mime
points on which I objected to the budget I would also have
the sanction of his high authority. Tint, with regard to
the
amble pledges gip ven in 1853, that
take off should be adopted
to arliament to measures
the income tax in
18.0. I am not finding fault with the right hoc
gentliman for not doing so. Circumstances have
pr ivented him, but I contend he had no right to say that
that large falling in of 2,400,0001. afforded him the mans
of taking off • corresponding amount of indirect taxation,
inasmuch as that very sum which was known to be fa ling
in, had been estimated by the right hon. gentleman as one ci
the main means by which the income tax might be taken off.
Thee, said the Chsmillor of the Exchequer, came the re-
duction of the Threeand-a-Half per Cents., for which we
are indebted to the right hon. member for the University of
Cambridge, and the termination of the Long Annuities is
180 e, making a total of 2,198,0001., and added to ea mail-
able increase of 3,813,000 f., a sum of 5,960,0001., against the
6,140,000 C income tax. The committee (added th Mt
her. patleman) might sow judge whether he wee fare hi
' that in 18110 the income tax sherd user and
Well, my lords, it may be said *Asian iddi
the circumstances of the country have altered. True - but
in 1857—end this shows the necessity of looking a little
ahead—my right hon. friend (Mr. Disraeli) moved that the
revenue and expenditure should be so balanced as might
*et it in the power of the goverment allogsther to remove
the income tax in 1800. That motion was eapported by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer in avesek_ is which be boat
with great severity out wanth roiDor of the Erre-
rier, now the right the. gramme's mike& r deerebay
cif bate. I must admit that then& ham spedisman'absW
is in gexnai accordance with ern speech he thee mei ; but
raid erre decidedly et=ermzprimelpie the*
bad beer laid down by air G. C. plan of tic.
we Charellor of the Exchequer were, that it was set ex-
pedite, to abolish the paper duty, that it was not
to reduce the wine duty, and that it was of great=
thee that a somber of small articles should not be removed
from the tariff, , so as to have the customs collected Italy em

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TUESDAY zytiiirto, a. 1, ii, IMO,

• few erlisies. Therfbaimener of the UMM SI
tleratUresime• the wiElnecharlisbimed es
tie ff. t) are
all illeareasse whiel7Weelleiptarie mesea to great
Naliehetion, and to wide, as itfkag en the
baltost give le eemilel engport (L:e4=3
And, back to the d pledgee. lei me nodes
the of Kr. Milton,- on 14 to
when
be upon the Howe dCommons tot see that its pledges
es the odillsit of the income tax were peeperly MIN&
He west not listen I. the seatement Una eirounisienees
Wight lave cowered to Wafer/ with the fulfilment of
these *dye ;he &dud** that he had bean deceived in
his estimate* of the escomfica duty—and here I may ob.
ewe, flestmeverwesthere &palter financial failure cos
wtlh esasseimi beinlidp to the udhappy perms who berme
liable to it than that dry. (Hear, hear.) However, in
1857 there was the falba, of the ermion dug and the
cost of the Russian war • but still the of the
Exchequer, with indignant eloquence, denied that anything
had occurred to absolve him from his pledp. Up to 1858
in fact the right hon. gentleness was toned deckling him-
self to be bound by his solemn pledges, whilst
now, when the Long Annuities have fallen in,
he forget, the moms tax altogether, and ap-
plies his means to the reductions of indirect taxation.
But there is something rather more. He rye :—" One hon.
member calls out, I think very naturally, for the abolition
of the_ psper duties ; another cells for the extinction of the
hop dative • another speaks in a touching manna of the
adenateges'of a repeal of the malt tax. Same of their do-
mends an reameablia ; others are unreasonable; but
et the same time I am precludel from any discus-
sion of the removal of these duties at present.*
Now the estimated deficit at that time was
4,000,0001. ; the estimated deficit for the year 180041
is sot 4,0000001., but 9,000,0001., plus those little items
which we will not take into amount at present ,• and this
is the occeeion on which the Chancellor of the Exchequer
thinks it his duty to propose a !spiel of the paper duty.
(Cheers.) But, my lords, there is redly as large • number
• occrions on which I could invite the eanc-
lion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this
memorable occaria, by making use of his speech, as my
noble Mead opposite has of a speech of my own. (Laughter. )
He says :—" I *Mk it of the utmost importance that an
aocuser estimate should be taken, not for the current, but
for the following year;" and no Chancellor of the Exche-
quer ever stood such a badgering for not being able to pro-
duce such an estimate as did Sir G. C. Lewis at the hands
of theright bon gentleman. Theright bon. gentleman further
commented upon a margin having been left for the e
of a war in which we were then engaged, and whirr
pewee were not estimated. Now only substitute China
for Persia, and you may read to the Chancellor of
the Exchequer the lecture which he read to the
right honourable gentleman who then filled that
. The right hon. gentleman proceeded to say:
" If they stilltrefuse we must coerce them by our votes to
give their estimate. of expeeffiture foe the Persian war,
that we may know and not allow ourselves to be kept in
ignorance. The budget is proposed to be taken,
not for one year only ; the right boo. gentle-
man thinks it should be taken for a pericd
of one year only, for the purpose of enabling after paha-
ments, however constituted, to deal freely with the finance
of the country. The hon. member for Newcastle says it is
the only way to keep the income tax under corral
from year to year. Now, from that opinion I entirely
differ. I believe the transition in voting for a tax
from •
ear to year is • sign of a further transition, viz., a
• which would torn a solid and steady system into
one of molllation." It will be difficult for the right hon.
gentians° to reconcile those two principles. One more
comment upon the right hon. gentleman s speech, and I
have done. Now he says, "No one is called upon to
take a burden from the shden of the wealthier class—
the wine dutie.—in order to lay duties upon the tea and
row of every labouring man in the country. I entertain
the most decided opinion on this point, and nothing can in-
duce me to refrain from giving evey °Tatou in my
power to such a proposition." (Cheers.) have now en-
deavoured to show that upon all the points on which
I with to the present it has been denounced
in the mosteloquent and energetic lawman by the Chan-
cellor of the Ex uer, in support of the very object I have
in view. I don't o ject to the repeal d the paper duties ;
but in the face of the expected delleieney of 1861-1862,
and when we have the prospect before us
of increased expenditure for fortifications and the
defences of the country, I think von are not
In a position to resign &revenue of 1,400,0001, a year.
I was glad to hear the noble duke declare, on the part of
her Majesty's government, that they had nothing in
common with those who discreditably call themselves the
Mancheater School ; but whatever their intentions, they
were, by their acts, playing into the hands of that school.
(Cheers.? It vas openly
-announced by those gentlemen
that their object was to make the public revenue wholly
dependent upon direct taxation, in the expectation that its
pressure would be so grinding and so odious, that, what-
ever might be the oimumetancee of the country, would be
&voided, because no party will be able to earry it on in
consequence of its expense. It is not solely, then, because
I object to the raffles of this annual revenue, though that
Is considerable, bat from motives of policy that I object to
this bill. It is because it takes away an important branch
of revenue, and pro to tends to weaken the financial
condition of the country ate moment when, for the best
interests both of this country and of Europe, it is essential
the England should be rich, prosperous, and powerful.
(Cheers.) On these grounds 'I feel myself unable to
give my support to the proposition which has been
made by her Majesty's government. (Cheer.) The noble
lord concluded by quoting, amidst loud applause, the perora-
tion of Mr. Gladstone's speech in 1857, in which that right
hon. gentleman eloquently professed his determination never
to ram bearing his testimony in the open illy to the duty
and necessity of maintaining theblic obligations.
Earl GRANVILLE., in reply, protested against the
leaguage which the noble earl applied to the budget of
the Cbaeoellor of the Exchequer. If a farmer who applied
to his land • mode of reproduction which he had found to
be auceasful in past years, could be called a gambler play-
ing at double or quits, then the same language
might be applied, but only could it then be truly
applied to the policy of his right hon. trim&
error of the noble earl was in assuming that when a
talc was repealed the amount was lost to the revenue. Why,
at that moment, they were receiving three millions more
from twelve excise duties than they formerly received from
them, and from twelve other duties in addition. He would
not detain them further, but he wished to protest against
the pith& being carried away by any d those calculations
which the noble earl had .

The bows then divided ouhe question that the bill be
reed a second time. Proxies were called for. The numbers
were—

14-101
161
33-193

Majority against the second reading
The bill was consequently lost.
The result was received with loud cheering trona the op-
position benches.
PUPLIO IMPROVEMENTS BILL
After a short discuseion upon the third reading of this
bill, their lordships divided, when the numbers were:
For the third reading—Content. 6
Non-contents B-2
The bill was consequently rejected, widths remainingbusi-
sees having been disposed of, their lordships adjourned at
10 minutes to 2 o'clock.

HOUSE OF (*MIME'. biONDAT, MAT 21.
The house met at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords' amendments to the folio bills were con-
sidered and agreed to : —Chard Railway ; Midland Railway
(Barton-upon-Trent brandies and deviations); Midland
Railway (Rowaley and Bruton Lines) ; Midland Railway
(Station in St. FUMY, &O.) ; and Widnes Cles and Water.
The following bills were reed a third tine sad weed :
--Cilgwrgaii, Bettye, and Triunes Read ; Moyjuriter
Navigation ; and the North and South Lanarkshire
The Letterkenny Railway ,• Royal Naval School, and the
Waterford and Limerick Railway (No. 2) Bills were read a
second time.

_
Yr. RINGLABEgave notice that to-morrow (this day)
on the motion that the hones, at As rising, adlosruzlo
Thursday, he would call attention to a recent
attributed to X. Thonvenel, and to ask the noble lord (J.
Rusealla if there were any papers in the Foreign-office which
he could lay cn the table tending to show the purpose
which the to the treaty of 1815 had in view when
they • for the neutralisation of Northern Savoy, and
also whether he could, with a due regard to the public
service, give the ham any. baformation as
to the present
slate of the nestiDiatlAionN s wiring out of the treaty of Turin ?
CIVIL SERVICE

In W Mr. Alderman Corztvro,
Sir C. WOOD stated that the pension to military Indian
slicers on furlough was not extended to civil officers, but
eB the othods, whether civil or military, iavalided at Lack-
wow had a year's time allowed them towards their retiring
pension.
APPLICATION OF NAVAL FREIGHT MONEY.
Sir G. B. PECHRLL asked the Secretary to the Admi-
ralty if any Maps lad beta taken (on the reoommendation
of the /Me Naval Commission) to abolish the present
system of sharing freight money for the conveyance of specie,
jewels, or immure, on board her Majesty's ships ; one.
rth share being paid to the echidna on the station. two-
ourtle to the captain of the ship who signed the bill of
Wing or receipt for the same, and the remaining one-fourth
than only being paid to Greenwich Hospital for the use of
the institution.
Lord C. PAGET replied that there was a commission to
/wane into the management of Greenwich Hospital, which
bed taken this subject into coosidention amongst others.
That commission had not yet reported ; until they bad the
government could take no action upon it.
PROTECTION BY BRITIEHSHIPS IN SICILIAN

board her Majesty's shift mg ha bad to stair that on refer-
ring to what hod tekna-Olies es • former ocomloo, he found
there was in the Forelipa-ollos • letter by Kr. Hamilton,
in 1849, under the directios of Lord Palmerston, which
maned to him to convey the fittest orders and instructions
applicable to all aim of this kind, and he believed the
be answer he amid give to the hon. gentleman was to
read ea extract from that paper. The noble lord here read
the extract, which was to the effect that Lord Palmerston
was at opinion that it would not be right to receive on
board say British ship of war any person under a
ariminsl esatenee, and who was escaping from any sentence
or process of law ; but • British man-of-war should always
be considered a Nate place of refuge for persons who sought
the protection of the British dog from persecution on az-
count of political opinions, whether they had escaped from
the arbitrary action of • lawful government or from the
lawless violence of a revolutionary government. Every
officer commanding a British ship of war, however, should
take care that such refugees should not awry on while on
board any political correspondence with persons on shore.
This appeared to him to be applicable to the present coca-
Won, and he had instructed the Admiralty to adopt that
rule.