The Express.
London, England, 1856-05-07 00:00:00

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• they are desirous to take the HITS of the bonito I think ft
is lot only satisfactory, bat I think, however strongly any
bon. monitors may have felt any objection, that they have
ozonised a sound discretion la not interrupting that getteral
sweat whit& on public around. I t is deeirable that we should •
ozonise. At the none time, I cannot help 'eying that I felt
some surprise at the course taken by the noble lord the
member for Colchester. The noble lord began by admitting
that the treaty bad anotoplighed, in regard to European
Turkey, fully the objects of the weir; but he eanteuded that
then were certain proceedings of the goverment daring the
nuns of the war which were, in his opinion, so base, and
there were coediting or rather omission is the treaty
which rendered it so dbhonourable that it was impossible
for him to concur late address, sad the remedy which he
proposed was the omitting somata 'Kennon of joy and
satinaction, and the Guertin' that the booty was honest-
able to the nom, and tally accomplished the Mints of the
war; he was prepared, if these omissions were mined to, to
mem in an minions ezpressing of the *attention of the
home et the treaty which had been laid before it. Now,
air, we hays beard something Welt of mock patriotism,
and I do not know what art of patriotism it is which
meld bidet's an hon. member to say that he thought
a treaty dishonourable, and yet was prepared to semen the
satisfaction of the Musa with it. I can comealve of
eiscemeteeme en width parliament might expect an en-
' nos to that effect. I as. tonseive that if our lints bad
been dritreyed—if our armies had been swept fe m the fates
of the earth—if we had bees left withoot if the
rimy were thundering at our gatee—ii the very niter ce
of the weeny were imperilled—if the strength and the re-
sources of the country were 'shinned, and we had deemed
it nocestery to hen recourse to a dishonourable treaty to
save our gibbon-1 can conceive that ender seek circus-
stuns parliament might say the pen* wee dishonourable
mad yet that the treaty was satisfactory. Bet in the pre-
seat state of thug., when the results of the war have beea
triumphant—whoa even is the very address which
the sable lord would agree to it I. mewed
that our resources are ..impaired, when only yesterday
ensiag we hoard, from an authority weigh the noble lord
would be the Mt to deny or to reject thug we are is pie
mune of a naval eragasseat the like of which no casein
over saw; that we have ea army in a condition whisk never
was surpassed—that seder them absoluteness a mentor of
the, homes Auld say he felt the treaty to be dinettes/able,
and yet that be was prepared to impress hie astisfastion with
it, is that which I ening I never expected to beet. If that
be the oplefoa of the noble lord, he wag hosed to oppose the
address, and to state his famous. The noble lord has
admitted that we have fully accomplished the seeerity of
Tarkey, but be spoke of certain dangers which he enticipated
on the Asistie frostier, and ,if our not having insisted on
certain forts In the Black Bth being rased. Wry did the
sable lord not move that the war ought to have been con-
tinued 111, those objects were accomplished ? If the noble
lord really attached so moth isthmuses to the thence of
these stipulations, he ought to have taken the seen of the
house ea that point, and moved that the war ought to have
been 'outlawed till we had drives the Ru..iau from
Georgia and beyond the Caucasus and till Rusin had ben
compelled by force of arms to cede that provisos which she
now holds. The noble lord knew too well the feeling of the
house and the country to stake hie reputation ou nett a
proposition. I an satisfied the country thinks that the
treaty which has ben coaeluderd is blameable, and that
it has folly accomplished the objects of the war. Why,
what were the objects of the war ? The objects of the war
were the rescuing Turkey from those ananits—diphomatie,
unitary, and naval—which were made against her *adepts-
dente. I maintaia that that object has been acoomplished,
sad that we have now secured, as far a. human sagacity
and foresight eon neon, the independence aid the Integrity
of that empire. We had cot engaged to maintain la the
Turkish empire coo prominent party .r the other. The
o'j eat was to maintain thet territory lade pendent of foreign
cionconst aed diatatiou. The country and the parliament
admit that that was aa object of Barone& coneern—that it
was an object the attainment of which was deigning
of the efforts of the othatry, and I contend that
that object having bees aceomplishod, the objects of
the war have bee. fulfilled. The attitude of the
people of this ',entry during the scores of these
trunnions has afforded au hommtroble enetache
to the world, it hes shown how greatly forage nation hare
been dealer', how little they have uadentood our minim
character. Be fore the war commented the impression la
jinfretternthaSthe • • • •
Europe did not bel eve that Raglend wee papered to draw
the sword eves in defeats of her Own therm. The potpie
of this eouatry have noire that however pesos was dear
to them, nevertheless for an adequate occasion they were
re ppared to make any sacrifice to Garry en a jest and ones-
, vary war. When the war had been tarried on to a certain
'sleet, and when negotiations for peen began again, the
pent" of Europe were deceived; again they eatamprt-
headed the feelings of the people of this country. A report
spread over Europe that England was so imbued with the
spirit of war that she would an Hates to man. Again
they have been mistakes. TM people of this
coutly were prepared to any en the war. They
were not like some nations an the netinent, "eying
out fora esseatin of the war, but the people of this
ectantry calmly lookieg en the Ojeda for which the war
was undertakes, and comeideriag on the other hand the
conditions on which prom had boos obtained, accepted that
• peace with thankfulness and with grafted*, bemuse they
were novineed that to carry on the war, steer they had at-
titian the ejecta of the war, wet not a course they nett
to porno. (Cheers ) The treaty, the arrangements that
have been made did not offer thou splendid prizes which
sometimes accompany war. There an as conquered
thrritories sneezed to the British dominione—there ate no
large penalties exacted from a defeated and rabdued enemy
—bet any impartial mm who loot not oily at ths treaty
itself, but to all the arnionsests unseated with it. and
who will seaming the beErsize of the d•ff rent articles of
which that treaty is cora , will ore the force f the b m-
iters whin that treaty telecom ageism any designs of
.ggr.seina which a nation like Russia might eat, rtain. Any
man who will 19ok at all the various LIMIIieTIOOtti SOW
seated with the transentione in Paris teudiug to give addi-
tional security to pens, who wi I look calmly into these
matters, the longer he eonsidtre them will be satisfied
that the cermatry kas a right to rejoice in the
termiseries co the wee. The sills lord oroneded to con-
ned that the arraageaest regardiag the Prir cipalltits was
the beet that maid bs made for their ultimate interests, and
as to the sanitation of the Daubs, it was, he ventured t,
my, preferable to env pr posed at a fothaer period of the
was; it gave Terkey so lefintely better frontier on
the =Kb. Ti. neutreliaatios of the Black Be* had
bees sold to be only the old proposal of limitation; bat
it was limitation without counterpoise, and within
narrow boson. As to Nieolaieft we had the amorous
of Cunt Orloff that the Emperor of Rani& w old rot
build there or in the Bea of Anoff any other noels then
Oboes whisk by the onventiou with Turkey he was allowed
to keep in the Black B.a. aed this unman ought, he
thought, to be satisfactory, if say taut* um to be placed
epos treaties. To the charge that the Cirees,•ant had
been abaninned and headed over to the /15411111*. he
replied that we could net baud over what wee nev.r
is oar possession. No arrangements had been entered la o
with Settempl, who tended in Dunstan, on the shone,
sot of the Beath Bee, bat tto Caspian; and then had been
no
commueleatioa with the Chemins Proper, math of the
• Kuban; so that there was no wooed upon which we could
impose spec Russia say et•pulatioa regarding them.
It was a misrepresentation to say that anything Mut-
tent for the defence of Turkey turned one way
or the other apes the nbaildieg by Roasts of fors
upon as unhealthy shore. Nothing had altered the eon-
efition of Rena with relation to the eastern co at of the
Bieck Bee. To guard against a towitaility an article in the
treaty guaranteed a complete indemnity to the subjects of
oath of the belligerent parties. With regard to the Cnristian
aohjone of the Porte, every oae, he observed, had ad
enitunl that the Armen of the Bellew was perfectly se-
tiefactory in Ira terms and cooditiows; the only doubt
wee whether it would be adhered to. Bat the Armee
was a written lastrumeat ; it was referred to in the
treaty, and, if it were revoked (a thing highly improbable)
or violated, the allied Power,, parties to sibs treaty, •oal
have a moral right to remonstrate. Ile insisted that any fair
man who looked at the treaty meat cone to the conolusiou
that, es far as the Turkish quaint went, all bad been ac
corepliebed which the Allies were entitled to ask; hut, besides
t• it, the stipulation regarding the A'and Islands pl .eeet
a boner swum Russia in the north of Europe. Lord Pal-
sante* continued :—There ar• other topics whin have beta
alluded to in connexion with the treaty, sod in particular
the toccestilege connected with the protocols have been
coot 'Voted. Is the first plate, ea hocourable and learned
mother ohieets to that portion that relate, to neutral ft g-
aad the right of 'catch. It is not necenary to re-pro tem
all tee message oe this subj. et, of which it will be sum
dent ti say that lithe law had sot lona in an objet losable
form it would not have bees found necoesary to alter it
We had already in the course of the war found the ad-
vantage of relegation, sad it was therefore thought poltric
that her Mejestee goverment should endeavour to make the
alteration perm Bat who would benefit moat by the
chugs should it become general? We oineeleas wend not
be the leant likely to profit, for it was the relaxation to
which I have boson ellinded which prevented the war
premlog heavily on oar so . Bet the parties mist
likely to profit world be Oa small IV ntr tl states who do
not nine in the wars which are declared by powerful
states. It has bees said that the right of mirth .5
for amnia, us to redoes our enemy to
extremity; but tell me any country which has been
Wend to make rate by the principle of neutral bottoms,
art freeing goods intone of war ? Why war is earned to
by 'lntend engin, by operations en sea and land, MA not
by OZletternewg It 0 right ot search la mrreh otels. (Rear,
hear) There is no doubt but that everything that tends to
destroy an enemy's property nods to weaken that sass y ;

bat on the east* principle the ravagiog of the pistillate
might bare hoes *tided, or the barairg of tomes, aid
the shooting of defenceless ptyalin. (Hear, hear.)
It might have some effect, but it would be odious
sad abhorrent to meekied, and so far from the 'halides
weakening this remarry, I thick It will strengthen her, by
platting her so mock highly In the adman= of the world.
The same argument will also at ply to ',deaneries, which
has often givea birth to deeds at which humanity meet
shedder, and its abolition will be • great stop in the Mania-
ling of Enterer, • attire (Hear, bear) Then, pi., it has
hoes said that the conference dissented the affairs of
countries:which were not represented. Why, was it possible
that the reprseentatives of the great powers could assemble
together, for the purpose of petting an sad to a war which
might have enveloped the g part of Europe, when
their object wee to lay the foundations of • solid and kiting
peses—waa it possible, I say, th. t they coed abut their eyes
to the elate of Italy—(load cries of" hear, hear")—was it
pcosible that when staking errangemer t. affecting the rola-
, Lions of Eaten and Turkey to the rest. f &Kreps, they could
i forget what wog the state of It.ly occupied by foreign
troops, cad having been so for the previous stern years?
(hear)--on occupation not cornice on as an optaution
but 'suiting is a time of profound peace, net a temporary
arrangement, bat heels( .very appenesseen of nertsseelleti
in its obviates (fileor_, beer.) If *.emigres" '
segleetied that subject, thick the Eagllsb government
would hove bees ailed to account ler fleeing permitted
their repreeeatatives to omit elhision to so important a sub-
ject. It was stated that he *coups' ma mast be discussed
in coansalos with other circumstances. The ammo
which had given rise to it was well known—
it was that the misgovernment of the country

had *seated • state ...of danger as regarded the
goverong pewees. (Hear, hear) The hoe. and learned
ameba for Doodah has lasso .ed late en eloquent descrip-
tion of the reverease in which the Pc pe is held in Rime, and
the whet security in which his Holism performs his reli-
giose dude*. I have no doubt that in meting that state-
ment the hoe. and learned member speaks only the simple
tenth. I sever for a moment could suppose that the head
of the eathedie church would want the respect of all these
who being to that church, or that he would be
in a position of the slightest personal danger.
Byes if the Pope's linden did not secure him, his mimes'
gaoling. would do so, for whatever may be the defects
*Meting in the management of the Roman States, no man
who has say personal knowledge ((the qualities rut the Pope
Could attribute those evils to Lay want of kindness or hu-
manity on his part. I believe the Pon to be a well-tetra
testioned sovereign, and one who would. it possible,
ban the administrant* of his country on a
peeper footing ; hot, air, I *ant say the same
of these who govern in his name. However de-
serving the Pope may be his power is act equal to his
geed qualities, and than who administered for him ere
guilty, I believe, of opprewion which c isnot be exaggerated,
hit the extent of which is, I fear, only imperfectly Moon
be this country. Hear, hear.) It was to espies such pro-
moting' that Austrian and French troops occupied the
Rama States. It has been paid that the Pope first gave
pormienon, and then found it incoovenient to witadraw it,
bat it is well known that that is not a eocap•te 'err seate-
d= of the state of thecae*. It is well known that the French
senlution of 1848 completely 'maddened the people of Italy.
Zip to that time the reforms iecolcoted and e sco..e iced by
bud Miato were being followed, and which would have
Melded to areetorate the condition of flhc people, bat that
was interrupted by the revolution in Pans. They looked
to en • Frnest army again toad's down the Alps to re-
lieve them from those they considered their oppressors.
They were guilty of enema, no doubt, and forced the Pope
to leave his capital. A provisional government was estab-
lished, and the hos. and I d gentleman stated that
murders and other crimes were committed That crimes
were perpetrated could not be denied, but those who were
at the head of the goverment did all they c odd to repress
them, and he believed R3lllll was never better governed
thin it was under that provisional government. (Cheers.)
Well, foreign powers interfered, and the Pope was restored
by the aid of foreign aims. Until the government of the
Pope was firmly re established, and order restored, there
might be an canes for the ocatinuance of the armed occu-
pation; bat would any ens tell him that there was any
neosesity for it WOW ? Not a step had been taken to tarry
then improvements fats effect which would have established
easidene, emanated opposition, ani coaverted turbulence
41111611101 rellsinaddi ar' menet Its it
W left Ware the malodor. Lad yet they were told
that the beets t °condom was necessary to prate ct the
head of the catholic church from insult. Hear.) Thee
they were told that the congress had no right
to talk of Sicily. If Rome was bad, S city
wee worse. Of all con. tries in the world, the
Kiegdont of the Two Skill's mo.t required improvement
in Its government, and when the occupation of Rome should
ewe, if pueblo?' was not made far some reform in the
administration of that kingdom there would be an per-
sistent Gossett, for the peace of that part of Europe. Hear,
boar) He aow came to the question of the pros. Moak
emimadversion had bum east upon the coarse the repre-
@Gaieties@ of England took in the Minuet= in the Congress
on that subject. The occasioa of those distention was, that
some of the Belgian' pipers had been arguing in favour of the
doctrine of sessoothatioo of niers. A noble lord tai stated
yesterday that If you iaterfe red to p the pees putting
Mean such doctrines, you destroyed the liberty of the
pens. His (Lord Paimenton's) notion of the liberty of
the press was net so extensive as of the noble lord. He
thought they might prevent r ewspspers recommending and
'mourning crime, without interfering with the proper
liberty of the prem. It was but natural that the French
gcv..rement should desire to repr.ss, if possible, the tonics-
tint of doctrines by the nem of • Gauntry immediately
=on to it, speaking the same language, and In
*wry this( that was printed was sure to be repro-
dosed In France immediately. It well natural seder the
elesemstances then fbre, tbet the Peeve I meander should
hen drawn attention to the mater, with the view of
esesetaialag whether it was not possible to obtain some coa-
ting ever such an abuse of the proper tinny of the Peen
That he took It to haws been the object of the
diensiioa that arose. But Laid Clarendon, however much
he
'night have expressed disgust at such abuses, very pro-
perty said that as the representative of a country where
fteedons of the press was an established institution he
mold not assist la any
interfere with the freedom of the press in any country.
(Hear, hear) And there was omen g in the c r eluding
sentence that bad been quoted that modified or
altered the declares** he bad made that he wind not ul-
terior*. But it was asked, why did not Lord Cl,r, lodes
takes more steady line, and d e. such a proposition es
unworthy of • free government t Why, the plenipoten-
tiaries were met for the pigpen of 'Tremont, and not for
the panne of quarrelling. If he had desired to torn* up
the tionferenos, and to act a scene in a melodrama, hie noble
friend with his eloquence might to doubt have
framed a very telling oentenee, wh ch would have bees re-
eeived with approbation on every hustings in this country,
but he would have put an end to the Continents. (Hear,
and a launb ) That was not, however, his noble friend's
oiled. His object was to express calmly, but de-
cidedly, that be Weald have nothing to do with
any proceeding for placing restrictions on the press,
and the boon might depend that the expressions
in which Lord Clarendon conveyed that deterniisatioe, civil
and courteous though they were, were not misunderstood,
and were far more effectual for the.r port ose thin it they
had been stronger and more violent. (Hear, hear) He
'mold further mare the house that his robe friend, if left
to hie own natural feelings, would never hive given any
eaglet= to amp proposition for interfering with the press of
Belgium or of any other country—but be well knew what
wen the feelings of his own government c n the so t jrot for
anticipating that subject mini:COMe under dircusaion, Lord
Clemens told bhp (Lord Palmerston) the line he meant to
take, and he expressed to Lord Clarendon his entire ap-
proval of It, viz., to declare to the conference that this
coeatry could never to a party to any proceed
ieg directing an independent nation as to how its
Press should to regulated. (Hear, hear) He might
say for tee honour of the Belgian legie/ature that they
would feel to lose indignant that we should at any abuse of
the proper freedom of the press or any &inept Ise m ex-
ternal sources to interfere with it. He v. ntured to think,
notwithstauding the erittoirms that had been mode about
the proceedings at the coafereace at Peri, as well
as t • trimly, were such es to deserve the appro-
bation of the house. There wire mar y in this
country no doubt who would hove been better leased it no
snip able offers had been made to us for pone, a d if the
mar had gone on and greater lionesses had att-ended our
was. These were littoral teeing Those who wino,* ed
the splendid end magnificent fleet the eviler day at Porte-
math, and who know the admirable erudition of our army
be the Crimea, nod the large reoeforcemetts we were ma-
Ctto reed 'to; it—wt o knew how little sue commerce
iffered—might well think that by prosecuting the war
still limber, further adenine's mipht have been gained.
It might probably have bees the case that if no eceditiese
were offered which would have if toe objects of the
war there would have been soother campaign, which would
have resulted in greater sumene. ; but when the purposes
of a lust and rinies•ry war nand, that war, which was be-
fees a duty, beams a mime, and a war circlet 0, under
week eject:muttons might bate deprived no of the support of
'bat power which had hitherto favoured oar adorn ; and
be'pito of our great fleet sad mageificeat army, we might
tan met with relearns which would have been the just
reward of our fighting Ent, to promo• our vaioel,ny and
the por•isit of emeneet. H. th-ught the gonna eir. would
stead sequi ted for having emitted such to re.. .e had
eneheded the war, which they would rot tan been
justified Is carrying on for mere o' jects of sisiV.-
tin. The noble lord then drew a tonne' totesen the last
and the peso's' oratory, half of the It river g heel spent
by this gentry to war, while nearly half of the latter hail