The Express.
London, England, 1856-07-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—Famy, JULY 11.
The house met et five o'clock.

LANDO WNRREI IN THE PUNJAUB.
The Eul of ELLEN BOROUGH rose to present • petition
from Pictish Slosh sad Bin e' Biegh, laadholders of the
Paajaub. These gentlemen wen the lineal descendants
of a great religious tearer sad leader rung the Sikhs,
whose sane was Oomrah Ram Dosa,who lived abet 200 year
age, and prosier great iseseace with hie people. His fenny
up he Ur time maintained themselves in the prides
of geatismea, and were univereally respected. They bad le •
War their property through all the virmitedes et the war.
They derived teat property from graft made by the ancient
Shade of the country, and they stated that the mate by
which they held, oared in the rehire ed the Liken go
verameot, which had been verified by the ricers of the
goveromeat ot India, who had mended that they were
correct, and, ia short, then mad he as doubt r to their
netts. Is all the stesserodeenstres of balk rove the
Pori tab the govermese hod meimised the rights of is-
Merest preying I mils armee thew gerlemen had gives
the goverment enistere is rah pewee is sir end
Sparer of
A=riefisawfa;.(Zeins=tbe sat litho
erstry,tho Hessler that oat-
herb of the revery therelsdkald be kept by the ram-
mese, sir rem- junket= being aware of the serat
kerbs up the Monroe of the goveramest, did or
• theseerlase they were 'sited wearer. .The
Adrhistindlon preposed that Iley arid semis thew
herb of them revenue darns their hews, sad that Me
their deems lew-third of their merry sherd be
estremil la perpetuity by Orb Irtad sseeessora. The
gerrnasst of ladle, on 26th May, 1860, minas' the
repetition that one-fourth of the revenues of their pro-
perty shard he appropriated to the givetrart patrons,
ad that these gentlemen should total* the Otter three-
fourths for their lives ; but they rejected altogether the
propnal that their densidaits should ntrt oar-
third of their property. That we not the general
rale observed towards all persons through the whole
runny ; but, on the contrary, it their own neigh-
bourhood there were persons similarly antated to
themselves, wines property had bra roomed to their
beim.
The Duke of ARGYLL speed with the noble lord la hie
desire that the native* of ladle should always be able to
appeal to the raiment of this eouatry, and he hoped that
every native so spouting might find as able an siderite ea
the noble earl. The diehoulty, however, was, that they
same bore in cues in which the government at home bad
sat aullelest iofonnation as to details. He would, ea far sa
be had bees able to saran is fonaatioa withregard to them,
make the cireamstanses under which the &nine wee
emu to la the present case by the Governor. General of
India. The colds earl in the line he tracts his speech gave
him an impression that the Governor-Grierel had made a
greet distillers between the mode in which the government
elttr Punjab was tarried on, sad that in which the rest of
the wash y wee governed. Bat no sash distinction had bra
W down by the grimmest of Indio se between those
/MMuse and other parts of the country. He (the Due
of Argyll)
Masi mine doubt r to the right by which we had takes
pmerien of parts of that empire ; and those doubts be had
especially ea uguded Sande. But if ever
then use • provisos in which we were justified In the
I mows we had takes, it was the Purjettb. Is a time of
1 profound pease oar territoriu of India had bra attacked
by the Sikh Rajah, and every one rut well remember the
alarm and horror which was felt at the temporary suocomes
which followed the lint Invasion of oar territory. After •
Waggle, renewed more than occe,we had reseeded to Goa-
queries that usury. He did not men to say that..
were therefore Justified in treating the natives with irjuo-
ties ; 1.1 if then was say provisos which we should be
seU‘v4rekl is treatise as • requered provisos, it was the
The noble der bare read an inner from the in-
allemilar of the Goveraor-Graral to the Board of Adonis-
Mask the Foojasb, whir kid dews asag Iprineiple
the reseimer of the lead far the purposes of the goverment.
He sheer state that the pseperty is question was sot
Iced, at mare derivable from Mud, bat grants cf Hai,-
dim bees *ratios oa land. Tr EloverarGesoral having
hid down in his instruction the general principle, went OD
to detail the different climes of cur with which the Board
of Artinistretiou would have to deal ; sad the sue which
the noble earl had brought forward came under the fifth
heed of the instruction, namely, o. that all purrs holding
liars subject to pay fire should hold them for their lives,
whoa to the payment of re-fourth to the revenue, Dad
that Oa the dna WI the holder the property would be rep
mused by the gerremest." The general arieeiple woe
rat the rare were respected se regarded the misting
holders ; but should not be retired to fetters bolder., es-
, rya those whir bed bees given for emir religiess pat-
CLh was mks tree general rules that this ease stood.
AW earl bed rid that the greats Is quartos were
eta /Mister sad eberitable character, bat the claim having
bees reser sneertb. ooaalieratioo of the government of
edia, it was drilled, after full inquiry, that they wort not
of a charitable or religiose character, or each as, being for
the support of religious or publics buildings, would, under
the roles, be entitled to be continued in perpetuity. He
would ask the brae to consider the wire satire of
the question involved in this olohn. If the claim were
conceded is this ease it mut be orried la all others of a
similes nature, and that would Lavoie* the merlin of wr-
aith of the whole tram of the proviso., the abetnetioa of
which would necessarily throw the whole dual system late
entosice, and reader it dificult, if not harmeible, to savvy
on the govoramant. Re was sot in preemies of say very
fall isformatioa of the grounds which had led the supreme
goverosnat of ladle to decide that thie was aot of the
esceptiosel oases ecatemplited is the desire' raise, bat be
word submit the petition to his right hoe. friend the Provi-
der of the Board of Control, and if hie right hos. friar
saw &Asir' greads, he was eon that neither the I'M
government, soar the Court of Diresters, would refer be es-
resider the decision to which they had cum. They must
met, however, lose eght of the diSoultim at the mot ow
target that a favourable derision in this WWI MOS in •
Mailer honks is 6,000 or 6,000 otherr.
The Bari of 'MUM BOROUGH—The mak dire oil
,see eat thee the essminksers recommenhed that these
poems shoal bre ese-eMed of the whir mart settled Is
he e irk terities.
Marrioispos CL DE urged the seesedty of
sem fencer lupin.
The perks wee this 1
Mordered to
STIieAFF. es the tabk.
TEI
The Deka of HUOCLZUCIi roe, purreaat to Bathe, te
gal the ettesties ether Maksty's grimmest le the eem
elltstion aed pay of the permasest staff of the stilie sigh
mar sad to ask what we their latmatior. Bs
esbjest, aid also whet wen their latestiese with referees
M she retention of seeing tporsormemes es the
*V Ho reasabseed this greet meter MAI=

ef a day, but if it was necessary to ham quartermasiers
k one regiment it wee squally so is another, and it was int
pedble for a regiment that had to be called out every year
kr training to do without such an officer. The regulation
which required the quartermaster to be a subaltern also
operated injuriously in the cue of non-ootamissioned officen,
who, beim, in every way qualified, were wWieg to swept
the office of quartermaster, but objected to the subaltern's
eimmisslon. The expense of continuing the stearin such a
slate is email at all unme keen the •filoiencp of the form
would ha amparstively Miami, while the advantages which
weal& mak were sheen Inealemlable.
Lad P 1 0112 mid that with referees@ to the militia
LerimsAgapensmansn• bed listened with great attention to
whisk lied been 'rimmed by well qualified
Mar'He kleetioa was to keep op in each case • car-
imemenil *A which eltieesh perhaps not eellioioat
kr a whole resimest; still woad be a skim whisk elk
the addition of Nee caeca-emaukdesed dime. wadi weeps'
bete s regiment. With rehresee to the pg..=
be thought that with reference to the aft
agars the allowance of 101. 6d. a week would be earkei
kr them, in addition to any civil employment they might
have. His noble friends would me that the whole
(gibe militia question bad bean carefully considered by the
severameat.
POLAND. _ _

Lord LYNDHURST ;ardtl7ateve. at that hoar he would
venter. to make • few preliminary observances' with russet
to the quails he was about to address to the government
A distiapidsoil Nen& writer **Count di MontalcsibilS
bed olosowed. wile aseemeafilsea the dheassles Ilse
late Path Dampen of dr of Rose sod Moho.
that they might tome app.eg.hlely have dimmed Se
affairs of Pohlad. He (Lard L ant) wee es epdbi to
admit that so tar as the peetemb wore concierued. IbSei
was nothing to show SIMI lie affairs of Poland bid
been brought ender mellho. bathe bad tee kick as mita
of his noble Mood ropp4lto engem that he mid hone
been silent emends a MAW, her.) Iwt blm need
to the recolleetion of do Use So post 'houseroom el
this question. At the Casson of Wiens, is 1815, the
affairs of Poland fess( one of So meet prominent sub•
joists of illessolon, esed. ohne a hog straggic, It was &e-
-ternised this the q5..01 Warsaw 'toad be erected
into ea lodepeodst the seems provisionally to he
given to the Emperes Reada. A sedition was insisted
on, sad by no ems so oesenosnely as Lord Castlereagh, and
that was that the while mmentatesa sad internal organise-
Ms "(the mussy abseil be seesesd. But shortly after,
the Roma Abner/sr, WI. bed sworn to that oonsits-
Ilso. hoseposted Poised with the Rastas empire, sad
ken that Peeled pill his dos b his whole object was to
*anguish the Pellets name and ehareeter. All the works of
set la **psis. at Warsaw wore transferred to St. Peters-
burg. The Universities of Wilma sad Warsaw were sup-
eleaseVadue
emoadsoal mho* eves abetisbed or asw ineddied,
So Weds arablifty ware tressmeedi
Meat pas of the lauds eagies. die Lewof
Russia wasordered to be sod is the whokielestba of the
law in Lithuania, sad la every shod the obildren wethin-
sheeted in the Rusts leagues. Eva the Polish dress
was prohibited, and all these sircamstaness must have boss
swat to the recollection of his noble friend, at the time he
was taking part Is the dissiodan of the Isle Names. The
more so as durieg the last was, we bed commenced the for-
mation of a Polish Legion, which was to have been soar
feuded by a most distiagaidted silo from that country.
Under them circumstances it was impossible to suppose that
his sable friend could has bees silent on the subject to
'SS to (Lord Lyodhunt) hod referred. That his sole
friend had remonstrated be did not entertain • doubt; of
muse the wattled had been pressed by his noble friend, but
leakage', Se result bad been unsatisfactory, as nothing
bad emonad from the rewanotranees of hie noble friersL
hi hat, the government of Rune had takes elaborate poles,
if be sight so expres himself, to show to Europe that she
would sot allow any interference with respect to the tent-
tory of Poked, or the manner is which that territory was
governed. He referred to what had taken pleas at War
saw, upon the occasion of the visit of the Emperor to that
Sm. and to the language which he then used to two amus-
ed
.'which met him for the purpose of giving him welcome.
Upon that stenos the Emperor addressed them to this
effect—it was a very short, • very preeise, and a very em-
Pettis smith. He raid that nothing should induce him to
Osman from the po'l'y of his predecessor with respect to
Poland. He said it was for the interest of Russia that that
nation should forma part of Russia; he added, no doubt
that It was also for the interest of Poised. This
was followed by • slight murmur. He said,
"Entertain no Masten., for If you do, 1 tell you that as 1
lave law to reword I have law to punish also; and If
=lr sun, above un, I will punish. But ell," said he, in
ag his speech, "no visionary dreams" There
sold be no doubt on the face of this speech whet was the
Lypolicy whieh the Emperor intended to adopt. Hs (Lord
ndhurst) therefore much regretted that whatever
between his noble friend (Lord Unfold's) and the
plenipotentiary at the conference, should have been
attended with so little result.. But this was only one part
of Me esbjcct which he wee about to call their lordships'
atlestion. His noble friend, as It appeared in the protocols, en
ra strong and earnest desire that en amnesty should
atted by the King of Naples for political offences.
It was impossible to suppose that at the same time he should
' not also have urged the desirability of granting an amnesty
to the Polish sites. The noble lord gave no meat to that
statement, bet he was sure that his noble friend mast have
felt the necessity that suck en amnesty should be rented.
In feet, what was called an amnesty had been granted ; but
It was a roman to the ear broken to the heart. Everything
which deserved to be called an amnesty should be of a core-
sad of a passe character ; it should be precise
Lrattemis
terms ; its it:egotism *mid be distinct and dear, and
dna a nature that their gods should be acknowledged
tbrelibout the world. Whet was the nature of
the amnes whieh the Emperor of Russia had granted
so the Palest It was staged that thoh who partook
of Its benefits should, on their sears to Poland, be fees
Item iadieseut and prescatime. Bat under what einem-
samosa wee that return to take poises—what were the lien-
teaks serroundlog it ? Every pawn dodgems to return
orese, la the Ant istase, to pees* a pueblos heftier suds
ohne drosselowess he left the ientleey of Rork, and
;T:1
fretStoat* oboe hoe seed in ham hem that
dews is the =seat ef the daft of his pedtlea. If
the selleer of the resesenseat was walled with the mks a-
des then, and then oody, was the gallikaer to be permitted
to has the advantage of the asiosty. He was to
hum his civil SSW rsolosed MMeal bat their
lariats well esionobersi that there had bees a
sweeping subsulea se of ell the emigrants whoa
Fished wee Ulm of by Ressia. Not a word was
sad of the ef property is that amnesty. Hasa
seasebni amen wee snowed-to reeves under its prevbisak
be would Muni leneeless sad ea ealeast. What woe le be
his Mika after his raises. He was he three yews tri
under the surveillance of the pellet Envy cue knew
what meet be the position of • passe he three years safer
the surveillance of the Russia* pellet If at the spired.*
of that time the report of these "did* was satisfactory, be
wee tate allowed to become a candidate for odds! employ-
meat. What were the ezeeptions ? He had already said
that inceptions of this else should he precise and well
Seised ; the exceptions were of the most rags
and wadefeetory kind. No person was to be al-
lowed to retina to Poland who had exhibited a
spirit of hostility against the Reeds gesernesat.
And who was to decide whether a man cam within thh
nestles ? The °Seen of Ronda. reouldial be
more assatiefeetory ? There was yet one mile to
whisk he would toll their etteation. Theis woe,
all aware that sine of the moat distinguished bliohltaats of
P. were made primers sad sent to Iliteele. No get
of the musty ettends any relief to desse
Seaside. would not be surprised, usisribusebssussum.
to hen %bet many of the most mums of dm Pella Who
bed refused to avail Sweeties of this amnesty. They
had set forth their resolve la • protest, is which they stated
that, es s matter of pried*, they weld act aces" des
amnesty, for is se delay they would be des
their yriselpiss aid admitting the judos of
tessustioss whisk had ended Ia their earthen'.
It night be dejected that he wes taking as laser
Salsa Mae is ben
leeward this queolies ist thet

time. Bat he answered, he was In no way commuted with
her Mejesty's gevernment—they were In no way vesponsible
for him. He was not sposkieg on behalf of any party--he
was 'peaking hie own opinions; but in stating them he be-
lieved he was stating the opinion of every honest and intel-
ligent man both la Reglad and on the continent. To per-
mit injustice was a crime, and hence he felt it hie duty to
beteg forward this subject. The noble lord concluded by
asking_ the Secretary of &ate for Foreign Affairs whether
he had received any official communisation of the recent act
of emneety is in favour of the Polish exiles by the Em-
peror of Russia ; and, if so, whether he would lay a copy of
it on the table of the house.
Lord CLARENDON—My lords, when the amnesty, to
which my noble and learned friend has called your atten-
tion was promulgated, we were without a representative in
Huila, and hence the government Is wittout say official
copy of the document to which reference has been made.
The amnesty, however, has been published is all the news-
papers, and I have no doubt but that the observations of
the noble lord (Lyndhurst) hive reference to matters of
fact. My noble friend certainly requires no apology for
bringieg this qualities forward. He said truly that he
spoke as an Individual member of your lordships' house,
that he belonged to no party, that no ore was answerable
for what he said ; but that he considered It his duty to lift
up hie vole. agslaskwhat he considered an injustice. I think
that my noble loteod was at perfect liberty to follow the
course which he has taken. I am, however, sure that he
will understated that the responsibility which the office I
hold lays upon me will prevent my following him
in those remarks in which he has criticised the sets
of • foreign government. I am further restrained from
such • course, because I believe that it would be prejudicial
to Poised if I wore to dose. In answer to my nosh, and
learned friend, I have to assure him that, being fully alive
to all those events in Polish history. which he has narrated,
the British plenipotentiary, in conjunction with the pleni-
potentiary of France, determined to bring this question
before the emigres* at Paris after the treaty of peace was
disposed of, together with some other matters of general
importanee to the future well-being of Europe. We had
every reason to believe that the intentions of the Emperor of
Russia towards Poland were generous; we believed that
the Emperor was prepared to grant • general amnesty, to
restore certain national institutions to Poland, to restore
its language, and to place the education of the
Poles on • larger sad more national buts. We
believed, in short, that it was the intention of the
Emperor of Russia to depart from the harsh system of the
former emperor, end it was with these disputations weigh-
lag aeon us that we determined to bring the consideration
of the subject before the Congress. But we felt it necessary
to make purloin inquiries as to what would be the result
of such a proseeding on our pert. We believed that,
although the Russian plesipoteatiaries might have denied
our right and say that they were not t" ere to answer any
'squirts. we =intermits respecting the internal admintr
teeth= of the Ruda* empire, it might still have been con-
sidered as a Sttleg corollary to our labour', and might
have been attendee with beneficial results. Bat when we
found that this would nut be the ease, and
that say proeudiag on our part was .thely so
lead to misapprehension in Russia, and would ha-
logen" with those aide of clemency for which certainly
the Emperor of Russia had a right to choose his own time,
the French and English plenipotentiaries departed from
their resolution and said nothing about Poland, not because
they were Indifferent to the fate of Poland, but because they
believed that it was fee the interest of that nation that they
should ramie quiet. Certainly, when the Emperor of
Eerie west to Wmeaw I for one did look for the consum-
mate of lateitioas which I believed imieted. I
sashes ChM, In ems= with everyone else, I have aimed
the diseppalatmest whisk the events thin occurring have
given rise to. I am unable to account for what
Ins led to an est of clemency so restricted as
to be almost inoperative. I do know that the mere
rumour of the general amnesty produced great enthusium
la Warsaw in favour of the Emperor. I behave that the
larger measure of clemency would be completely successful.
However, I cannot but think that this enthusiasm must have
been very gratifying, and so tar as we know the disposition
of the present Emperor of Russia, I think we may come to
the conclusion, that he has every desire to promote the hap-
piness and prosperity of his people. Hence my lords, if we
are correct in our estimate of the emperor, cannot believe
that Poland has mot something more to aspect from him
than the amnesty to which reference has k -night been made.
Bat I must say also, that I believe that any step which
Russia may think It to teke should be the SpOlitaneoea
set of havens/ meet (Hoer, bear.)
TEE MILITARY INQUIRY AT CHELSEA.
Lord LUCAN sated the Secretary of State for the War
Department when her ktejesty's government would lay
before parliament the report of the Chelsea Board of Gene-
ral Officers. He believed that this report had been headed
to the Queen on Monday, and he thought that as a matter
of justice it ought immediately to be placed in the hands et
their lordships.
Lord PANMURE said that the noble lord appeared bet-
ter informed than the War-office itself, for it was undoubt-
edly the feet that this report had been handed to the Queen
on Monday, although be (Lord Penman) had not been
aware of that fact when he answers° the question
which the noble lord put to Wen on Tuesday
last. It appeared, however, that Lord Modica,
handed the recoil to her Majesty on Monday, and it was
whilst engaged in ezplaiaing some pampa In it that he was
Wren unwell. Her blejerty being desirous of motion her-
self acquainted with the terms of that report had not yet
transmitted it to the War-office. The course adopted on
previous occasions had been for the mown to send each
reports to the government, which then gave its advice as to
the noun* which ought to be taken upon it; that was the
course which would be taken on the present ireaellan. The
noble lord might rely upon this, that when the report came
Into the hands of the government ao unnemesary time
would be lost in piaonst it upon the table of the house.
Lord LHCAN gave notice that =Tuesday nest he would
move an address of the bogie fora espy of the report.
Their lordships adjourned at half-past eight.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, JULY 11.
The SPIAI.II took the obi& of BTO 11181 MIS to tom
o'clock.

NEW MEMBER.
Sir W. P. WILLIAMS took the oaths and his mat foe
Ctlne The hon. member was intiodueed by Om
_George
Bothell and Lord Goderich, and was stash ..&osW en his
approaching the table; sad when he had taken the
oaths, and, is is castontary with new semben, shaken
heads with the Speaker, the ohseriog was renewed. The
how. tad gallant member took bit mit on the ministerial
side of the house, _

NOTICES OF MOTION.
Ton COAST DmencilB.—Tan COMM OfJAW:L-Idr.
HAYins, on behalf of the First Lord of the Admiralty, gave
sonee of his hateutien, on Monday nest, to bring in a bill
to provide fcr the better dames of the coasts of the react,
and to transfer to the Admiralty the government of the
Coast Guards.
THE SADLEIR CASE.
Mr. NAPIER drew attention to a charge which he
alleged the Attorney-0 1 for Ireland had made against
the Muter of the Rolle in Dublin in connexion with
the Badlair case. Thar Atteroey-0 I, he said, a
few dam ego, licensed that upright and learned
judge of having disregarded the obligations of his oath
ea • privy councillor, and he had thought it to be his duty,
es
a friend sad admirer of the learned judge, to make him-
self master of the case. Rasing ascertained them facts, he
was prepared to submit to any Investigation or inquiry. and
M prove that the chirp which had Men so went icily made
against mermen, man wee entirely without foundation. He
appealed, however, to the Attorney-General to say whether
he wee prepared to sabers to the serious charge be had
made, and if be were so prepared he (Mr. Napier) wee
ready to meet him on that charge in any tribunal either he
or Melones sight he pleased to make ; and to show that
the sharp was both false and groundlees. (Rear,
heir.) The shuts the Attorney-Genera had made was
that the Mesta et the Rolls in Ireland had been guilty of
diaregardieg the obligations of the oath which he hod taken
as a privy councillor. Now be had the honour himself t f
being a privy councillor in Ireland, so had the Lord Chief
Janice of the Court of Qom's'. Bench in Ireland, end the
Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland, aid after
this charge it had beeoseof the utmost importance what
really were the obligations of the oath they had taken.
It armored, by the doctrine laid down by the
AtteraerGeneral, that they wets bound to set as in-
formers to the Lord-Limtenant, and it would seem al
if the Master of the Rolls, after diligently unravelling
• gigentio Class of fraud, was hound to fol ow it up by taking
steps to bring the criminal nj Intim. When he heard the
Masse first made he coarse/ad be was as much eat >undid as
indignant at it; but he had since am rtained tie reel facts
of the ease, and with the perraiesion of th March he would
endeavour to repeat them. On the 3rd of, thy cam
of the Tipperary Joint Stock Batik came before the Master
of the Rolls in bilged upon a suction under the
wiudiug'up act, and, slur uivieg the ease his most careful
attoutios, that 1 d jades delirered his judgment
upon the preliminary motion, distinctly pointing out
that there bad been fraud and swindliog is the rase. There
had bees a fictitious balance-sheet issued to the shareholders,
signed by the geaderean who appeared on behalf of the di-
rectors, and wbo was himself the local end legal maaager of
the whole affair. Them fame came out on the first hearing
before the Metter of the Rolls, and on the 10th of ?Lerch ,tua
public press suggested that immediate steps should be taken
to prevent the guilty parties from leaving the country.
This was oa the 10th of bleteh ; then osene the refereece
to the Muter in Chausery with ragged to certain Englnk
essisharetirmors,holderetbawboheo alleged that theythst
thhe,dy beenre veigcutiami
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to the enediteesef Ike bank with the rest of the el
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sad die era aloe pin
before the Wear el the Rale