The Express.
London, England, 1856-07-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 12, UK

tepee en appeal against that desielea. It eau ea Wan
that learned jedge early is My; it was most eareeetly and
ably deb te.l to c ensel ea both side*, sad ou the 3rd ef
Jos. • the Muter nl the Rolls gave his judgment in the
he must bee the partite's: &unities of the
Doane* what pseud ea that tuxedos, because it wee is
nnunnai II with what the learned jades said then that the
At (*woe) : sassed him of having distegarded
his duty es a judge, and the obligations of his
eeth es a peiey ertuecillor. Not oily did he hear
that charge made by the harmed gentleman, bat he else
hear I it rtes red by the right hon. baronet the &aviary of
State for the II .isie Department, and it was urged by the
• former *atria ll.►ter>lThe RAP bad failed in hie *arty
as • privy itoweedlrre ip at Itemise inn* to the Lord.Lieste-
seat end eamemea'eated to him she facts that tt nded to las-
plic are the *app ad criminal. Os the 3rd of Jule the
lentil Varna' lattWarnaltfirrattfiass3l3 the . ma
Torsi., the decodes% of the Mostar'l
mad
guoog a ease heard
is and dres..d of is the 11 see of L irds by Lord Campbell is
support of hi. °pint,' that the teenagers of the bask
bad beta guilty of gross fraud and conspiracy. Every
etatemtat in the Mater of the Rolls' judgment was
*app .rtei by tots. d xuaseet or GIB faint, refitted to is his
ord. ro'r. f reuse t.. the Mister, and yet between the be-
ginning of March and the 3rd of Lune nothing whatever wee
done by the government to emit the guilty parties to justice.
All those documests and papers were to be found either is
the Master's Atreus, were in the posermion of the Menial
manager of the bank, and equally as open to the law
°Seers of the Crowe as the Muter of the Rolls, and yet
settling was eone on the part ••f the government to investi-
gate th.. matter. It wee allowed to take its own coarse,
sad between the 3rd sad 14th of Jane a re-
markable tem-, from Jobs Sadleir to his brother,
James B.lleir, came to light, describleg the wade
in which the fund was meow plithed, and a espy .f that
letter the Arorner General most hove had in his possemion
by the 1411 of June. It owes gait* clear, therefore., that the
Master of the R .Ile had dons hie duty u a judge. In his
edgese at he pointed out that a great and scandalous fraud
had been ermenitte.l, and now he had to ask the Attorney-
000tral to p pin• oat that feet of the oath taken by Privy
Councillors which be accused the learned judge of having
violate*. It was not until the 20th Jose that the Attorney.
General applied ti the Most., of the Rolls for Information,
bet he must have been made aware of all the facts of the
cue at 'tett between the 3rd of atone sad tbs.
14th, and it appeared sow that the 'opposed criminal mut
haw...seeped betweee the 17th and 10th. With regard to
the charge itself, he dio not want to go over the whole of
the cireemstan,es again, bat baiting thoroughly *liaised
int. them, and honing also c ere fully read over the judgment
of the Ms-ter of the Rolls, es reported by the short.baed
girders of the court, he was boa• d to soy, speaking both a.
a man seal a lawyer, that the 1 al judge bad sated in a
manner w-ieh Gentled his to the enured thanks of the
Ober, use) He therefore did feel coaddersele
indignation t. bear ouch a man held up to the beau as
one wt o hrl dieregarded his oath, and he should be glad if
the I 4 Attrrney-G I would embrace Mat opportu-
nity of esploi•ing Lineal, with regard to this ease, wine&
lavolved toe interest of thousands, sad the honour of a
member of the beau. (Hear, hear) If be retracted the
charge, sad admittel that he bad inadvertently or tined- '
visediy merle it, there would be an end of the matter, but
on the other !seed if he adhered to it, the charge must be
farther yarn. I, and the whole OW thmeghly in-
leeriest's:l. (Hear, hear.)
Mr J. D. FITZGERALD regretted that the hon. red
learned gentleman hed sot taken the more generous coarse
of del*, ind his olosetitationt, particularly after what had
occurred to-eight sad the receipt of a telegraphic mewls
giving an account of a painful scene in Dublin, which be
was sawillieg to credit oath he had seen It confirmed by
some more fell:this information. (Hear, hear.) The
boa. and learned menhir had cossetted his statement
by referring to protruding, which took plitee on the 4th
• of Mar b, jut lie weeks before De held the °Mee
• of Attorney General. Ho web net ewers Into *Mee
until the 14th of April ; tree be had before vacated his
seat is, the tots, on his appointment, but being
engaged in the prompeuton of the persons charged with tee
murder of Ms. Hinds, it with sot until the 14th of April
that be aseseied the duties of his 'Mee. Aad yet the first
thief, he was now called upon to answer fee was a proceed.
lag that took place on the 4th of Marsh ; bat the right boo.
and learned gentleman had ass farther, than that even,
foe be sold he bed hoard him, in the house, acme
the Master cf the Role in Imbued of baying die-
regorded his oath es • privy councillor, end bees
gamy of a dere.ictioa of his judicial duty. New, he
bad done neither one nor the other, tad be meet
therefore bespeak the attention of the house to what nay
had takes place. He had not beta in communication with
any of the parties cel vita subject, bat the whole of his in-
formotiou was dined from the public papers. He learned
Irons the Hoehn Dssele Fevre**, en authority that the hem.
sad learned gentleman would not dispute, teat Mr. Deasy,
the member tor Cork, appesir.d before the Master of the
Rolls for Mr. James &diem and eonteaded that no ease of
fraud bad bees made oat. Prior t that, the cue had been
before M . Murphy, who had eagedned wit-
s/teem including Mr. James thdleir himself, and
OUT taking fire days to consider his jedgmeat
he acquitted the p rtes, laeledieg Mr. James filadloir, of
any charge rf fruit. Of roars, at that time he weld not
bane had the letter of J.ho Bsdleir is his 'megaton,
becalm it wen got diteove red seta after the Muter of the
Rolls had made his observations ; and he (the Attorney.
General lot 'rated) was prepared to state in his character
as lawyer, th.t if there wee any sustainable charge spinet
the parties, it could only be based epos that remarkable
letter, watch did not come to light meal the 13th
of June. Well them, Hatter Murphy—of wheat
It might be raid, without hay disparagement to
the Koster of the Rolle, that he was as able sad Meth-

;an
galabod lawyer —dicidad that theth so had beesGaud d
on the ease befog tarried Was the Master of the Rolla,
that teethed gentleman observed, sot that the goveromebt
hut the parties beton him would involve themselves is the
respamiblii of c issivieg at • cos/piracy, if they shrank
from the duty of bringing the cue under the sotto,
of the law efLues of the crows, with a view to •
crows re—necution if it wu thought secemary. Ob-
serve, it t a sot the riventmeat but the parties
before.—(co, .•)—whom the Master of the Rolls
Nid •0.. e. be guilty of a derelicion of duty. Ha war
explaialeg the law, and he Old them the situation
L which they were pieced; but b that es It might, if the
'overtimes% sad Ines 'wily of • derelatios of duty, or had
losnived at the temps of a criminal, he, as the really re-
apossibl- petty, davit be the last was ti ;brisk from meet-
tba chug.. (Rear, hear.) On the Ilth of lase be seri-
am the Jedgmect or tie Master of the Rolla is
the Freeman's Journal, which had bees seat to him in
sossraios with 'pother matter, in whisk the corporation of
Dublin were accented; and a gseetios was shortly
altaswerds put 1) him on the eshjeet by the hos.
Imember for Dundalk. Some time 'Remade the
hos. old learned member for Reelakilles isterpelleted
him epos it, and then the boa. member for Mayo, %blob
elicited that observation from him that had led to all that
dismelian. By this later itemises it was intended to in.
paw to the povenimem a eossivattee is the seats of Mr.
James Sadist, ; but he met the issuutatios by stating that
the goveram•st bad done all is their power to put the law
form, sad if the supposed criminal had lift the assatry
M evade Janine, re must have dome eo is ems-
@musses of the frearha which bad fallen from
the Master of the Rolle. He farther stated
that be theeight the obsetvetioss of the learned judge were
Irregular, mid that the proper mane he Ida to have w-
aned would either have b.** to make as soda nonettag
that the 'eidetic* sheath be laid before the law allegro

nitlncro.;.or, I. mepZite 41`.-"•prigy snail lor,
to ban informed the Lord Lieutenant that • arise
bad bees eassitted, sad printed sat tits saserity for
farther saveetigrion. (Her. hear) Speaking frogs tits
bench, the Sassed jwir bed made ale of 'beatnik= es
numb tiered with • vandal hue list they wen aaleslated
to attract tce attention, sot oil y of eh. individsal nomad
with art treed, ber of tin right at large; sad if Jame*
Britt, bad net lilt the snub y beton, rind sorting boson-
esyed wort calculated to frigh.en P. away? (Her) Be
(Mr. Fitzgerald) steed what he bed 'mid ea the previous
occeros see rise taferesee, bat he bed awe private is-
formatios, received Ischia the I.at two hone, whir he be-
lieved word establith broad all masonry, that within
• short time after the remarkehle language bold by tho
shut r of the Rolls Mr. Radnor left the 'ouster, and bad
act since retuned. Whet, therefore, t P. (Mr. Fitsettald)
hid stated was the 'nub; rid if the right hoe. Instigates
opposite wield brier fanned the matter Is say tangible
shape be agouti widertahe to prove it. (Cheers.) The
bon end natant member (Castel Fred) bed as a pis.
vines Biota tanner am ovens that the laugher he (sir.
Fitsgetald) and was ountstectfel to the Muter of the
R see he (Hr. Fi sptratd) thought it right to engross
his 1.11 ansconeseo Is tito eologneni which the (glint
gentleman prowl spas the le d jades. Bets couple of
days 'finned' the Meer, of tat It ills wrath, (*Hoeing
ohttnations, which he toad from • writs. peter in his
11011, t. " He had °Served from tin pabliej tarsals that the
Attersty-fientral for Inlaid bed thoeght at to renew the
attacks which be bad pre...imply mg. apts hie. The
Attorry-Gemeral was math mistakes it be suppeed that
be (the taster if the RAU) was about to net gristly loader
sash impentiong. He •ould set do any nab thing, but,
ribs contrary, would seed tomer by this sight's poet
doessiests witch would red to ilesprael tba sumo that
bad been adopted by the Attorney Gras! in this ease."
Be (Mr. Fitzgerald) presser that that was the donors{
the right boa. gentleman' bell Is his hind. Tbm Heater
ria the Rills moaned tory, te H. world also bo prepared
ss Friday to brig forward a sharps aware ghee diem
which was et • most senor satire awl elesasl7
calculated to effect his eheraeter and hi. ogler
Oreral—a eba.pe whir he (the Muter de et=
was prepared to substantiate before • trommitems if the
Hos.. of ClimMoin or say other inland—a= lb.
effects of whir neither the sophistry air my of
the Attorsey atonal would avail lum is seaspisg Siam."
(Loud shone) Would th• right hes fivellerrt (Mr.
Flatiter) alter that to is, that the Hulse of this
Rolla had not turret bit wart use • political arena P (Lost
Inisisterial thorn.) Bat the matter did eat rest there. He
(Idr. Fingerer) had jar ?enigma • tielitgriggin mows
ea whir be mold sot of eosin bet, sad whiall lifted we
ft pert illate•ly iatellinble to him; but If the sealemeat.
mesteised is it were well founded—lf it bah, repremuma
whet bad rhea plum to Mut Rolls C •ten that moning—
tben • trailer °straits urns juetice had seldom bees onoctr,
is the hoer would admit wen km stated that the patrol
ebrervatior of the Mesta were regraded to by loud
shetrin from • niacin! v-re*. (Hear) Is erseqsanas •
if that sinew, he (Mr Fitsgereld) tommunisera with
the Huse Secretary; sad he morel, ',segued with his
Men hes. Weed both Is deramatied my premature dims&

ere sod is thiakiag Chet the matter sac let he have hew
brought forward as • suberative castes. (Cheers) The
right bon. gentlemen might study lave treated bra in that
high end honourable spirit whit* even to cholesterin •
' peers r riesling with • pentleel WlPSenet, slid
after the appeal which led bees mokall hire, hew aged
his land. (Hear, bear..)_ The RIO he. gontlemiaa !new
whether the paper is kis peseimina eras sot a transeript
of the personal chug.. wedielii lb. YAW of the, Rolle-bad
made saran him that anerf. Whim he (Mr. Fingnald)
spoke of personal charges he did not of aoseu mean charges
affecting his moral conduct—he hoped be stood above
that—but the right hon. gentlemen knew whether the
tefersphle ammo woe cdrrat, in amertiag - that
the Ilsefer it the Rolls had &rr eed him, as •
public Wirer, with a geese dereliction of duty,
cod with having connived at the escape of • crimisil. He
Ist. Fitmonal4) etalheged right boa: retleasen Fi
rise in his place and to make say charge personal, poll rat,
or otherwise, spinet him (Caen) Let the right hoc
gent'emsa only pot his charge la • *hope which could be
um% or on which the house could form a judgment, and let
him brieg It ou that moment, or on Monday, or ow say day
he pleard, and he should be quite prepared to meet it,
(Chem.) The right hos. gentlemen said that ell the evi-
dence In the Roils Court wee available for the proseuton
of Jeer Sadler ; bet of war did that evidence, consist ?
It comprised 160 affidavire, which were upon the files of the
rem They had been made re of, bet they did not become
evadable till the 20th of June, when the Muter delivered
judgment. It was tt,• greatest mistake possible to suppose
that the frauds which had been perpetrated by James Sad-
ler could possibly he 'nee the subject of • prosecution.
It was very lamentable, but such was the state of
the law, that a director might with impunity publish
a report, and misrepresent the balance. In the precut case,
bowever, the remarkable letter which had been discovered
would enable them to prc,cated against Junes Sadleir for eon-
rinse with his deceased brother to commit a fraud ; the
absurd state of .the law rendering the orispinicy punish.
able, while the fraud Itself was not. (Hoar.)
Mr. CARDWELL bed lived on terms or too close infi-
rm, with the learned judge ti remain silent while big re-
dact was aspersed. Ins Attorney-Grunt was perfectly
raffled to expect the Muter of the Role would shrink from
nothing he had said, but would he prepared at the proper
time to seb.tantiate it. The right ?inn. gent'emen had not,
however' confined himself to rebutting • charge against
himself, bet he had goes on to make the following charges
Slfalaif the learned judge. He rid that the Master of the
Rolls bad dercreted • court of justice ' • that be was guilty
of • gross deficit ; that he bad made obeervatious of so irre-
gular a character that he had tinged with • p,litioal
Asper the judicial recordings in his court; that he
had rued a *lure of justice, and led to the escape alarm
Badlsir ; that hotted reverted his suet Jiro • political area;
that he had been guilty of • gross outrage on jostles, sad
bad abused his position on the beach, to charge the Attar-
sty-General and the Irish revetment with a great dere-
lie•ion of duty. (Her, hear.) Hr gathered from that
sheer that he (Mr. Cardwell) had eorreetly repestei the
right bon. gentleman's charges. (Hear, hear) Thee thy
had less* joined is the presence of the Hsu. of CC•1•1011.;
sad be thought the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Fitsgerald)
was lame f bound to take ears 'hit there wee a full sea
searching inquiry into the truth of those allegations. (Load
cheers )
Mr. WHITESIDE thought the Attorney-General had
acted most unwisely in a tisanes...Tin attrition to
the eludes et the Muter of the Rolls imposed on him by hie
oath as a Privy Cour calor. He (Mr. Whiteside) lied at
the time almost felt it his duty to remotistrate ; but it was
deemed better fits' to communicate with the I d judge.
The Master of the Rolls had as undoubted right to cheese.
terns the transaction before him as a scandalous trend ; and
be had also • right to 'sprees his opinion that the govern.
rent ought to have interfered. That was what the judges
is England constantly did when a case appeared to them to
afford materials for • prosecution. Sir John Paul was is
tide country vigorously proerded *greet and 'was punished,
but he bad sot been guilty of half so great a rime as the
Sullein. (Hear, hear.) It quite tree that the Attorney•
General had • high cheerier is the profession; bet he was
anstakea if he thought his ebaract.r is that bore would
stand higher if he thought it his duty to indulge In the ob
servations be bed made on saes whom they were all bound
to respect. (Cheers.)
Mr. HORSMAN did not think it was worthy of the right
hen. gentlemen opposite, having in his posresion, ea the
house bad she, the distinct ehergse which the Muter of the
Rolls had made against the lase governmeat that morning,
to bring on the alarm is the he bad. He wished
to know whether the boa. reassess was prepared to sub-
mit a substantive motion to the bow ; whether be would
*adore the charges which had been made splash his hoe.
tad leaned friend, and whether he would time to ask the
hour to some to an opinion sirs them? (Chinn)
Mr. NAPIER said he would hand the statement which
had been (emitted to him to the Attorney-Out:A. It
merely contained ferns, however, sot ch lf the
goverameat did not isstitete • full inquiry lath the matter,
he would undertake to re It sifted to the bottom-
(Chun.)
THE HAWAII OF SURAT.
Sir F. KELLY asked whether It was the ieteatlon of go-
recruit to take the opinion of the law oilers of the
mato (including the Quoit.' Ad, car, whose especial
duty it was when ealled up= to 'dyke the crown upon the
construction of treaties). es to the tree meaning and effect
of the treaty of 1800 betw-es the Hoc. But hides Company
sad the then Nawab of Surat t sod in the event of ouch
14w °Sean advising that itt.d.r the said treaty the But
ladle Ceara were bound to pay to the heirs of the said
Nawab the aossity therein meotinsed, whether it was the
isteation of government cr the Board of Control to order or
direct such payment to be made by the said Hon. East
Compton amordingly.
SMITH rid his hearty hops was that the advisors of
Meer Janet Ali would recommend him to re again ti the
Court of Directors and lay before them the whole of his ease
as be thought it should be stated. If he 'colt that course he
trus:ed the executive government of Kadin would be pre-
pared, setting ride all the irritation which might have
arisen from the contest in this bur, to come to sub an
agresmant as would be eatisfactoty to both parties. If they
weld not come to a settlement It would be the ditty of the
goverseeeat to see that the question did not remain
where it was. (Hear, bear.) TOO hon. and bused gentle-
st. report to lay the ease before the law oaken
of the grows. But with all des respect to the law *Seen
of the mows, he did sot think they were the best roue
to sort& es garners of Mohammedan, law and the modes
of desert is India. The other alterelitilie was to refer ate
quetios to the Privy Correa. He thought it would be
sista to adept that sour e, because the judges of the tri-
bunal were coarsest with subjects of this kind. But the
law officers of the rows were not in favour of a reference
to the Privy Corea, es they dratted whether It could be
dose cedar the 4th section of the Privy Cour di Ain. There
eartaioly was a want of some tribunal toeholds questions of
this triad. (Hear.) This was • quartos of the inteepretedies
of a treaty made by the mesa* goverment of lad* and
• foreign state, and the guide, wee to what tribunal that
isterpretaties was to bar referred. With regard to the
power of the Board of Control to seder the Curt of Direc-
tors to make piques* from the revenue of India in of
tbk hied, he wit by no mew sleet. There was • jest
jealousy es the part of the Ladies government of as run-
tiness by the Board of Control with the renown of laths.
The pmts of eliding expose was absents and slur, but
solar garret eapesditsro. However, If be found any
kinetics dew, he shoold sot aosfine himself to the lassies
eta doubtful order„ but should sal on pirliameat le, •
'postal act to give kim the psfref of orformiegjestico.
STAFF OFFICERS.

Colossal LlNDSiiiraWbaii;ll;; trOm Ow his. geode-
man (Mr. Nei), whether ft was testi, isteschel by the War
Departaust to stop tba staff pefol kaltpay Odom florin
their teaperary absence haat statelier.
Kr. PEEL said that by the atidatioae ia force staff
I pay wee sot to be based when She saw Ins met at We
post. Whore °Moire tarred shwa dry issiired samba-
batio• &Newsom daring their Mara bury sad Sorel's,'
than, meld be so mistake la ask ease. Dot with regard
to staff °Moen as bait pay serving at hone, tbs War Oaks
wools' abide by the prods's which had bass Marie°
observed, that was to allow to pay where the absence did
mot weed two ninuthe in the rear.
WILLS AND ADMINISTRATION BILL. _

Mr. iiiiiitsiiiw'ZirtoLiTh7i.;:i 1.**7.1 the
Treasury what anus* was Wooded ta be permed by the
riverasseat this amiss impeetiag the Wills sad /Umiak'.
truism Bill ad thr Diverse sad Matrimonial Causes Bill;
er, rdm ass{ swim, for &bobtails* the liesiselastioal
=sad MadsatMg la future the Mariam tow traameted
MIMI% ad ocreially for tbe perms* of mating ese
misbalmaa @dahlia/amps I. Eaelsad and Irelaad, sad we
osalrmatisa Y lhatlead, operative ea ail the portly of
demised pawn la the Vatted Linde= ; sad slim bib
brought late the hoes* wars lateaded lobe promeded is; or
withdraws this merits ; sad whether say law bills ware la-
bladed to be bremht Is.
Mr. CiLLDSTONI wished a eaU the Miamian of the
house to olio **let commuted with the ustatematary bill.
the of the great **MMus to the late bill had bees the
smart of emammeties. The matter had sow bees 'Rader
dkM.. tsr 25 year, sad maims ought to have bees
&se SD all parties wary as sitaatioar, that they took
fteme *blest at way **ye porUiceseat sight make. [&aHON. 111111111131S—Tker• Sr. two ass el parliamest eirstaia.
tog provision S. that effect ] lio would suggest that la
an Mare eppiehmate settee doe* berms that the party
wield hew as eta* tit easpeenwee is the meat asp
elbsagm As raped* the Dhows Mattlassial Calais
=elm the oder e/ the del wee re*. he would all at -
S. iha ingerteet pie It fevelved, sad the
f solograrg Is without dee meeldseatift. hoped
of
gestrasiest would set drastistae as preoCus
bUL

Mr Q. GREY said that sense bed bees pivot to all par.
Nee tad we elms mensmed Mei these ems.. With
te the Wilk sad Adminielretles MIL the boo. nees-
Mr be abasid non be aware that the MU bad boos with-
draws tbe bellsre, se the pverameat forted the y meld
set omen Mem seed ettessies toe Ms omehisemben. As to
the Dtveree red Matrineedel Omen WAk bed only eons
free the Lads two dope befine. Isdiersmod Moir noel
swim emelierelks, for the present Mete of legbbstes es
these manse wendirgreeoseal. Tbegmeramoot hoped to
pus the bW Mk neelso. bet he mid glee is distlnet ease-
ranee at that sanest. With sped en mot reenee, he
mold say esi that dee KOOS neold be semi ef say
sensors.
me wao sot swore Mat* nes seeded M tetra-
dose soy other SW teed sees, ems" maw, eons sea-
nommen bill. As M As bilk es Ms paper, the immense'
M Use primmest would be MOM is sash order weas read.
TRZ TIPPLIIAZY MILITIA.
Camel DUNNI hoped Me beam would allow Ws to
Wordage overy Imporint sat§se. WIWI the last kw

days they bed eon sue element Is. her libjeety's envies in
wllhaias With three *then is the open held, and • tows of
some importune in Ireland in poseembra o
boesoope in a stets
rielisir:,isarie bar se lie heed killed, sad
yes Se sera* lad bees rake* of the soh-
=ll that bows. He had several thews sailed the
grantee of the Ileiretary for Wu to the plat to
bextrattied is disbadt/ raise aid the sot
the
position the men would be in if sent from rilitzrilltleatll
without stony or clothes. The mobile lord at the bead of
the government promised that the met should have a gra-1
tufty of 14.. on being disbanded. (Hear, hear.) The men ,1
of cosine denroyed their sloths* when they joined their
regiments, they had net paid for their summer clothing,
and if they did not get a gratuity, some of them would •
scarcely have a halfpenny in their pockets. Nonithetand-
HS the promise of the sobralord, there had bees then:utast
humbug; the moat cutradictory orders were leaned from
the War-oline, and indeed of the gratuity they directed the
men to get a portion of their bounty ; the malt was that is
some emus the culottes wen obliged to give the mes
menu out of their own pockets. Is Ireland an order
was seat to disembody some regiments in • way which
be had suggested—via., to give each man kis discharge as
he could obtain work, and so let the regiment melt away. '
It had been most necemial in his own regiment, and the
wen separated in good order, although envy of them were
disabused with rally • few peen. The Tipperary regi
seat ens treated the some way, end it was only natural
that the men should feel disappointed. Oa man reseed
to give up hie an.. be was sent to the guard-house, hut
reused by the rest; &mutiny ensued, sad General Cutter-
toe was obliged to put It down by force. Of course, the
me. must suffer puniebmest for their sonduet, but the War
Department was nspossible for all the calamities that bad
occurred. Orders should have bees sent to give the 111,11
mosey to purchase clothes and provide food for a day or
two till they could get work. Many other regiments were
about to be dab tined, and he hoped for the lake of the
public peace that the promise made by the noble lord would
be carried out.

Colonel FRENCH said there wu a g I feeling
sznoesst the Irish ref/insets that the Mill bad not been
truly treated, se they saderrood they were to receive Si
bounty at ono" He hoped there wee no trut► is the rumour
that aecther regiment had followed the example of the
North Tipperary. It was stated Mat the Wert Minister bad
sear. seed his iniontioa to Abboud all the Ober Irish no
mines ifeesiodiatsly es a parrishamigtfee the abduct of the
Tipperary. He (Mr. French) bogieby elelemect wu not
*meet, mid that the War Umbria, Midi met be allowed to
overrule the promise of the noble Iced at the bead of the
governmeat, for the blab militia had illinerned well of the
Country.
A short pause gamed afar the hew. aad gallant wisher
sat down. Lord Palmerston half roes, as if about to address
the house, but again renrined his seat, aad the motion for
djo■rnmeat was agreed to.
COUNTY COURTS ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

Os the eider of the dey fer the casualties ea this bill
befog nod, a number of ruitioas to favour of it were pre-
sorted.

Mt. OLLIMITONE the. rose, pursuant to sake, to more
the ibliewiag resolute*. That it is not expedient to
lapel% at the pressed time, epos the state a charge se
beery se oil hominid and seventy firewood posed. per
sass. towards the saistesaase of the esenty emits." He
was glad to lad so many petitions in favour of extending
the jariadisUos of these courts, sad it
he
not
his initiation to site soy obstacle to the preesat
bill. If his 1111111111110 was earned, the effect
wield be to popes oil ths 'spinal parts of the bill;
let the house at ease Ws siossittes and proceed with
the remands. The fs.sil preemies' were so dispersed
through tb. bill that he mess set have raised the pastime
fairly is committee, sad ho therefore adopted this method
of bringing it before the Mum He had moved for an esti•
sate et all the *Urges wilds this bill would create, and the
Mara showed that they ssousted to 170,0001. • year. As
M the present &secede' WNW of the question, he mine
Mod that the fees levied genitors discharged the Wish
Ostityt about WON, end • Isrthor stun of 13,0001. charged
11, nallni t on the enselideted fund ; so that the
I=le se the peels see slay thirty-eight or forty
. To title Qs WI pope& to add 170,0001. ;
sod tritendmesto of ebb& soda had bees
sloes, at to the salons ed the judges and 'larks,
mere Mills
_sharp would be increased by a farther
Sim of obis. WOK_
_i_t.,year, make a total of 253,0001.,
lasised of about 1111,401 saatptreeest. It wee lee nee
to hear baled OM We yea set • temporary but a perms-
Meet, say more, a prolsiderso. Ose objeetion to placing
Obese eisliges is the seedidatod hist wasted If indef.
do& emed to feel the gown of mem, there wee little
shame of the attesVos el pollsonest bees fens called to
tke matter, and the exposes of the orishhemem would
sot be le rigidly scrutinised whim sem they were essafort-
ally settled on the pillow of the somilidatod tend. (Her.
boar.) He would remind the have that an =noel charge
of 170,0001. ass equivalent to venal! • sum of 6,000,0001.,
aid a sharp of 263,0001. equivalent to 8,000,0001. That was
rather • grave financial quell on; and however eueestly
they might be embarked in law reform, they could not
overlook the financial consideratioes, which, up to the pre-
sent moment, bad not bees vibes into view. The Walked
been framed la the House of Lords, and the legal pt ere who
took ewe of it had treated the finauel.l provlaion es only
secondary to the object of tits hill. They were about to go
into committee on this bill, and adopt those flasiaciel cheeses
without having laid down may priseiple as to the mode is
which the charges of litigation might to be met, whether by
the public alone, or by the public and the suitors There
was • general feeling that the safeties anasseemente re-
quired re maiderstios ; but that should be • rod
and deliberate rewesidennon, sad sot surely es

regarded this subject, bet is measexise with the geithral
question of judicial establishment". There was • doctrine
now adopted by a essektarthis number of pathos., that
litigation wag a Ws/erten@ sad evil, and that those who
were exposed to tithes evils ought not to bath the burden
el supptrtierr them ettabliehmente, bet they should be
'supported by emotion. To that doctrine be demurred. It
ems a doctrine tending to (otter litigation. It wu taking
hes ;OM= 01111 Of the 11100111,1•1111 to prudence in these
smitten. It wee not the duty older state to had means of
litigation ; to do se wee set 'sly improve to the public
bearers bet Works. to this timmuseor of Bagliihmen. It
ems said that the jedgas t Wesamisster-hall were paid by
Oho state, and so they were, but then ware reasons why they
—ls mast the Moen common law judges—should be
alatessible spas the p.blie pane. They had to preside over
thit istolosisaspts The sass observations applied to the
*MS ef Illonlog, who plaided over the Bairl Debt
oars is that sasstry, bat who likewise performed duties
ss.logoat to aseit at thew. of the magistrates is Eagland.
This we a subfrot that ought to be deliberately illumined,
▪ onthezion with tho state of the judicial establishment in
Westatinater-hall, which was sow larger than the public
neesesity required. This was • questith that was not ex-
tremely urgasi is poise of time, and the course therefore
that he suggested was, that government should thaws the
recess &molder this subject is referesise to the court is Waste
Wester HalL

Birfie.CllEY said the bill was heeded on the report of
6 e'llesiselca specially aPooicted to inquire whit changes
Could be made with regard to county courts, sad among
other things the comaissioa was eppoiated to Jaquith
what reduction scald be made in the fats. In
their Terri they said, We now !raised to
consider • question whisk is preliminary, but es-
Genital to this breach of the inquiry, that is, whether the
county waits should be self-suppiwUrg. We are of °pintos
that they should not. To *onto& stilton to pay fees to sup-
port the setabliehmeat arpsers to us to be tiniest is prin.
• Courts for the benefit of the pablis should be sup-
ported by the public; but we fear that, for the present,
ileancial reasons will pretest that bidag done. We think,
therefore, that sedate shoal pay aa anoint of costribe-
does se/dent to resnaerate the alerts sad high bailiff.,
sad that all the espouses of the court, such as judges'
I salaries aad stationery, should be Feld auto( the retinae."
They then proceeded to moms's.' that the fees should be
✓edneed to the mouse of 124,0001. la the aggregate, se.
wrote, to the scale at that time la fore,. His right hon.
bleed had not stated say special reasons why this reeves-
, meadstioa should not be tarried out aim as well as
at any other time. He did not see how say farther la-
qtlees would make them more competent to decide on the
matter. His right hon. Mead said then were special
reuses, why the Often judges in Westmiester Hall should
be maintained at the pablle sapless. He would remind
him that the equity judges were also maintained at the
pebl e expecte' and all their time and &Mintiest were owe-
, pled in deciding questions relating to property, sad there
was ao reasoci why the equity Jadese should be maintained
at the public imposes which did not apply to a 'duty wort
J aegis. He really thought the proper coarse wan to go into
committee oa the bill, aad they *odd thee dams the seals
of fees.

--fb•---neeletioa was method without a divistoe, sad the
boom went into committee as the bill.

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Claw* up to 4, inclusive, were greed to without
oboonstion.

Oa clean 6.
Mr. HADFIELD Roved ea ameedeteat, providiee ttat
"Any epeeist pleader of tea years' roadie. may be ap-
petaled a jeers of a suety inert"

TM Aft ORNEY-0 Elill A L said there wee no nme silty
for the assoodneent. as by the original set a epeeial pl..d.r
of
do Mr. eevespeeli eleadieg was eligible Mhie being galled to

TM isesehowit or Mn withdraws.

Mr. CILAUFIIID ileelered that ase of the ablest somata
weerettegas la ffeedismi was a soliciwr who bad formerly
1 is Olessess. Attersays and wheiton wen In-
I qua* better lawless thew benistees, and be saw no reams
why's warmer sr estialwar a to pan' steadies ikoald NM
hsampaimieg a
ea Ilsest P
t elsweis ass
Mae ANLwely swert. He therefore moved
answo

The smandensett was assalited without a Cask*, sad
ohms" up to B Indshe wine speed to.
Climes 9 ea 14 bar ire ware awed q.
Oa dwell.
Mr. WILKINSON Mimi atter the weal " bedasse,"
beat the weeds " sr lave wapleymeat."
The ameadasat was Rewtlred. and the aqua agreed te.
, Mauer up es Id wore "greed Pa
Oa dame 20,
Mr. ROEBUCK rased a dimwits as to whether the
eisisir court* shoats all toy NUM. of ',labial weiverea-
den, masa whoa." poetise quesated
after ease wiewsmaisn, la wash the Arrow's's-Os-
amu. Kr. Cow s% sad ether meniben "Welted se the
admission at saga Waage ate the bill,

Mr. wmAnox imilvi as asissesiest milk a view to
pastor as.
equity MOWN' la an wiere tie petite
sweated

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obiostod to the proposal,
sad ii w aegatived without • divides.
Mr. BASS prepmed the °Make of the words by which
theffitriedietioa et the county marts ia salts above 6W. was
Halted to ease when both parties sweated. As the writ of
mama would still ream, there wad be no °Natioe is
The the
ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that they waialit as
well abolish the courts at Westeeinster altogether. Meer )
Ibis amendment was also negatived.
Mr. CRAUFURD lima moved the omiseiou of the dense
altogether, bemuse if it were allowed to stand part of the
bill it would chat with clauses which he intended to bring
up. (Lasettorl The object of the legislature bad been
entirely defeated by insisting upon the commit of both
parties being pivot la writing, a thing which their attorneys
would sever snow them to do. Nis proppeal, without cie-
partiag from the prineiole of the Manse, would arrive et the
sane end in a more effectual manner.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL hoped the eunaittoo
world adopt the slum u it stood, is preforenoe to the
oloutoof hie hoe. and learsod friend.

• ass was clearedfor a diri.ioa, bat am* took plate,
sad the eau* wee speed to.
Os chase 2l,

id;.tiliifiGEßALDisoved an amendment to give the
mute a wider jurisdiction over running moons% which the
parties shamed to set off one acainet the other.
The amendment was withdrawn, oa the understanding
that its►ould he introduced la the report.
The slaves was then speed to.
Classes 22 to be, inclasiee,wers Woo agreed to, with some
I verbal amendments.

Oa edam 74,
Sir J. PAILINGTON "Loved to equalise the salaries of
the judges at 1,6001. per annum. instead of 1,2001. He
contended that this change ought to be made as public
grounds. These courts were assuming a meet important
position; and it was due to the interests of the public that
the house should do all in their power to reader them dß-
asst. By a former set, the Treasury had power to pasta
salaries not eacesdiag 1,6001., sad sot lower than 1,2001.
This was a discretion which ought not to be vested in the
Treasury; It had been oondesned by the lord Chancellor and
by Lord Campbell, as tending to destroy the independence of
the bar. The discretion had been abandoned by the govera-
mint, end the question was whether the salaries were to be
equalised at 1,6004 or 1,2001. Is the first instance the
teensy counts had only jariedietioe to the amount of 201.,
and thejudges had a salary of 1,2001., with no restrictioa
from enereislag their profession in other mats. In 1860
the jariadietioa of the soma, courts wee raised to 601 ; and
is 1862 the act pared Being the salaries between 1,2001. and
1,6001., bat by the same act the judges were prealaded from
following their profemion in other court,. It wee not until
1854 that the Tree/err decided that ono•third of three
offloen ehonld receive the larger salary of 1,6001,
and this was only dose en the ground of their
rapidly Imposing duties. It was not until half
a doses eats had been passed, throwing fresh duties
on t►e (aunty eoart judges, that this ielereS.4l
was made. In 1861 the amount of property dealt with by
thew courts was 1,834,9184., seising out of 441 plaiots.
Since that time the amount had very much increased.
Considering that them genflenten were to abandon thole
profession, and still to support their position as judges, it
was for the house to confider whether 1,6001 would be a
higher remoneratioa than 1,2001 wee when that amount
was Bard. Another mods of viewing the qaostioa was this :
othiperiaw the salaries of the toasty court judges with other
judicial °Seen. The first commissioner of bankreptcy re-
ceived 2,0001. a year; the other commissionen 1 8001. each.
The first commissioner of lasolyeacy received 2,0001. ; the
others 1,6001. earth. It could not be denied that the duties
of the toasty court j edges were quite as important as those
of the baakraptey sad ineolvesey oesentiesioaers. The chair-
men of the onaster sessions fa Inland bad salaries
of 1,0001. and 8.001 ; and their time was not occupied by
t►eir duties for more than three or four months in t►e year
The objection that the time of the county emote judges
was not fully occupied would form an argument for re-
ducing their numbers, bat it was an argument for keeping
their salaries low. While, however, he was advocating an
increase of t►e salaries of those pidgin', he thought the
ecnistry wee entitled to the whole of their time and their
services. (Hear, bear.) To come to another objection.
It bad been said that many gentleman were to be found in
Westminster-hall to accept these appointments at 1,2081.
a year ; bat that was not an argument applicable to the
nee; the simple question was, whether they could find pa-
tients* adequately qualified to perform those services for
that salary. He thought sot, and he therefore begged to
propsee that the salaries of couney court judges shoald he
equalised at 1,6001. a you, instead of 1,2061., as peopned in
the bill.

6HANCELLOIit of the RICHEQUER said that
the governmeat was ender the uspreeion that 1,2001. a
year mu as adequate remuneration for the services of these
induce. The Lord Cheasellor, who had better means of
judging as to what wee an adequate remuneration than any
member of that hone, was or opinion that 1,2001. was as
adequate ma lion, and stacient to secure the services
of ability equal to the requirements of the office. That was
the ground on which the governmeat proposed that sum as
the salary of these jadges•. bat it wee • question for the Oolli-
mitts, to determiae. If they should be of a differeat opinion
from the government, there wee another eouelderation to
be borne is mind. It seed to be the functions of that house
to restrain the expenditure of the paths hands when pro-
posed by the goverameee— (scar, near)—but now it seemed
that the functions of the hove and of the wannest were
inverted, and be (the Chaneel'or of the Eachequer) found
himself enstantly obliged to nein all torts of proposals to
inseam the public expenditure. (Hear, hear) If the am-
enities should decide to adopt the amendment of the right
boa. gentleman, they would have 66 districts, la each of
which 1.6001. a year would have to be paid to the county
court Adige, and the enure sun to be paid would be higher
than that reqeired for the entire judicature of the country
otherwise. He hoped that if the amendment were agreed
to, a dietitian would be refereed to alter three districts,
and to vary and Worsen the duties of the judges if it we re
found necessary; and also that tn. whole time and services
of those judges should be given to the Public. The London
police magistretn received a tang of only 1,2001, subject
to various reductions, while the county court juages' salary
era' exempt from these reductions' std the judge bed the
peculiar privilege of retiring upon two-thirds of hie relay
after a short period of serene. That wee a comparatively
favourable ponders for the county court judge. The aug-
mentations proposed is the two items of judges' salaries
end clerks' salaries, would .mount to 45,000/. a year, and be
would put it to t, • committee whether it would not be
weer to riles that eve by retaining the court fees at le.
in the pound (instead of reducing them to 6d, ae
°reposed in the bill), rather than to place the
burden upon the consolidated feed. (Hear, hear.)
No lee thee 270,0001., or perhaps 300,0001. had been added
to the public/Marge" on the revenue. And if the addition
ander this new clause was carried, it would add 60.0001
• year more, so that the charge under the Polies Act and
tee set would be no lee than 360,0001. He thought it
would be much better to lames, the fees tiles plate the
burden on the paten Manna of the etinstry. He wee
afraid that if the hone extended the principle of planes
thew additican burdens, every successive eessioe, oa the
emsolidated land, they might end by producing a state of
tbinp which would increase the general diseontent in a
greeter proponent than the relief afforded by particular
measures produced satiefeetion. (neer, hear.)
After some more remarks from lir. GLADSTONZ and
Sir G. 011.3 Y,
The committee divided,
Forth. mainmast

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Mr. KENDALL Inems4.•

Is 11. M Ilnaq .111.1inee Is bo paid by sahrice,"
lam see the wisher the shoe elite sehelis. and Mort, "and the
Waders es stilt the mil sad. el the pletrare sts ash be dud and
rum s 1 then be, that the riear el emit emit In whia the
plahls Inland do net mewl rralatt el MO Is• year. Mal ham
amsual mho y rat MR; mil het le am* whim the AWN Sr.
seed MO is them, the ishrlue Ell be bawsmad by sums of IL tar
may MI adeltleml plistsa=fittais Isaslmi sod Ms. Sty
sums seed km may Se that mai salads Man
be manse is pransidhos wields the willlssn and sommas bsw
limitation el *hi amts._ podded OM se raglatrar slats Is pit •
Ilas Wary this 1181. por sexem.
Ths CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reminded
the basso that We ememiniest would to • *snafu aslant
moist to the levying el a tea on the taapayieg com-
munity. As lb. hill deed, the reassaisrattin to the
officers to which the amendment referred WOG
filed by ths wpm of the 40111Millli0111018 as this subject.
If the committee adopted she ansidmost they would guilds
*Oast a proposal made by the governmest cm their respon-
sibility, and against the rtossimandation of the commission.
The amsndmest would impose a farther charge of 30:000I.
on the consolidated fend, is addition to the increase of
30.0001. arising from the seal* of salaries proposed ia
bill. sad he therefor* mild sot agree to &moo It.
The remain.* then divided :
For Yr. JEsisdall's amendment

Against 73-89
Mr. WILSON mreimeed a clause which substantially
adop•.ed the assendesent which bad been carried, and t►e
effect of which was to give sleek. to clerks of not less than
1201. a year, where the number of plaints was under 200,
sad inert 'Meg progressively till the member of plaints reached
6.000, when the salary would be 1,0201 The hoe. gentle-
man .aid he would Fri pus the slaw on the bringing up of
tbe report.
Mr. KENDALL thou wit►drew his anteadment.

The CHLIIIMMI shoe reported pogrom, es the molten of
Mr Roeheck. .

DIVORCE AND MATRIMONIAL CAUSES BILL.
On the mod°. fee the Gonad reading of this bill,
Sir J. GRAHAM said this was a general bill, and it con-
tained a clause which was very important and unusual,
thoents it ewe semaiiises introdeeed late particular bills of
I divotosi The elates to whisk be refereed was that whisk
'sashimi the party to minty again If they did net marry
their paramour. Ho wished to know if the 'whisked would
ma the bill at this late period of the Waal, and, if so,
whether be appmeed of that clams ?
Lord PALMERSTON said Na right hew. irked who bad
charge of the bill would state ant week what mum ha la-
tended to pante with mod to It. With mated to
the Glass refereed Mt he had ao besitaticm la saying that
be (smoldered Ha mad and Immoral clause.
The sewed remits, was them pesmemet.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL.
This bill was road a third time.
The hoes* adjoommd at a 'partite to three o'clock.

Hie Majesty the king of Prussia has forwarded a
inasiaceat deludes et COL to the Royal Natisaal Life-
boat Inatltatiee.