The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-04 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 4. 1860.

SENIOR MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL OF D;DIA.

BILL

This bill was mad a asocOd time.
ADMIRALTY JURISDICTION RILL
This bill was and a wand time.
CONJUGAL RIGHTS (SCOTLAND) BILL
This bill was nod a third Ram sad
CROWN DEBTS AND JINIENTS.
This bill was read a third time and
DEBTORS AND CREW= ACT

AMENDMENT BILL
This bill was road a third time and posed.
RAILWAYS ACT (IRELAND), 1861, AMEND-
MENT BILL.
This bill was read • third time_ and passed.
BOUNTY BORO YBILL.
Tbis la was read &third tins. and pared.
SUPERANNUATION ACT AMENDIMECT BILL.
This hilt was said a woad times.
The house adjourned at 26 minutes past 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAy, Acorn 3.

(Coattails& from Yesterday's Expros.)
THE CASE OF THE REV. L C. FOR.
. .

A long discussion ensued, in the course of wlicb
L.nl PERMOY moved a resolution, "That the conduct
of the Ir.sli poor-law commissioners relative to the
of the Rev. Mr. Fox from the office of chaplain of
the South Dublin Union, and the occurrences which gave
00M411.0 to it, are not calculated to promote confidence in
the administration of the poov.law, or in the proper exercise
.4 the powers of the commission?'
This motion was seconded by Mr. SCULLY.
Sir G. GREY complained that such a motion should
have been made, without previous notice, at the end of the
debate, and recommended it. withdrawal pending further
inquiry.
After some further discussion the house divided, when
the resolution was negatived by 86 to 49.
An attempt was made (repressed by the Speaker) to re-
new the debate, Mr. CARDWELL stating that, after the dis-
cussion which had taken place, he shoaldcommunicatewith
the Poor Law Commissioners on the subject.
SUPPLY.

The house then went into committee on the miscellaneous
estimates, the first vote being
:P1,537/. for works and expenses to the New Houses of
Parliament.
Sir J. SHELLEY would like to know whether the exten-
sive works which were going on for cleaning the exterior of
the louildini were being done by contract.
Mr. W. Vr I LLIAMS thought the 000sumption of 2,200t0as
f coal a. excessive. He wished to know whether a statue
mis going to be raised to one of the greatest men the world
had ever men am a stateionan, a soldier, or a lawgiver—he
nirint 'mineral (Hear, bear.)
Mr. A. SMITH thought it was in the very worst possible
taste to *tot the interior of the house (Cheers.) There
w. a charge for removing the mad of the river. Now the
bed of the Thames belonged to the crown and the conies.-
vitors, and he thought that it was they who ought to
remove the mud. He wished to know where the new
stables for the Speaker were Them again, where was the
series of royal statues to begin? At 8001. per statue, the
series from the Conqueror would cost no ler than 28,010(4
Mr. SIN ot 'NEM wished to have as explanation as to the
item of 4,300/. odd for warming end ventilation. He found
that the largeness of the item was a good deal owing to the
imperfect state of the chimneys. Yu of the rooms were
uninhabitable on account of smoke, end it was found neces-
sary to burn coke.
Mr. CI iWPEit said the arrangements for warming and
ventilation wen no doubt very imperfect. The system in-
troduced by Dr. Reid was extremely costly, and certainly dui
lead to a great deal of smoke ; but be did uot. see bow the
expenditure could be olniated without very extessive alte-
rations. The rule was never to let the temperature of the
house fall below 56 degrees ; and there was, therefore, a
necessity for artificial hest flans; a great portion of the
yoar. As to the exterior of the house, he had entered by
the advice of Professor Faraday into a contract with Mr.
Szerelmy which he believed was the best arrangement that
I he could make for the purpose of preserving the stonework.
The price was a shilling a yard for the preparation, and
there was something additional for putting it on. The two
statues were proper] to be erected in conformity with the
recotioneedatioti of the commissioners of 1845. A good
ruanv years would elapse before they came in ch
order to Cromwell. The charge for removing 7,7:r=
the Thames was a very small oue—l7sl.
Lord FERMI IY complained of the want of a few rooms
in which members might receive their constituents. It was
not at all clear that Szerelmy's process was the best. It
appeared to be only a so.irt of whitewash, whereas Mr. Dean's
process acted chemically upon the stone, and appeared to
harden it considerably. He would mugged that a court be
done by each process, and then hon. members might next
year judge fur themselves which seemed the most likely to
answer.

It beiug ten minutes to four, the committee was ad-
j.enned.
REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES

(IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was reed a third time 'Ad peewit
SAVINGS BANKS AND FKIENDLY SOCIETIES

at the head. It was well known that wheneverthegovernmeit
was weak the tribes came down to plunder and murder, but'
when the government RSA strong, as it was under the rule
of Mehemet Ali, the place was perfectly peaceable and
quiet. Under the Turkish rule the state of eyrie was per-
tautly pitiable, the 'mass wbo were entrusted with the
government having but one object, and that wee to enrich
themselves. He suggested that every man, whether Drum
or Christian, ought to be compelled to give up his arms un-
less he ware officially in attendance upon the chief.
Mr. D. GRIFFITH wished, before the noble lord re-
plied to the remarks that had been made, to put a question
of which be had given notice—whether, since her Majesty's
government have absolutely declined to join in any mea-
sures for preventing, by force of arms, any descent upon the
Neapolitan territory by the troops under General Gari-
baldi, it would not be expedient to refrain from the ex-
pression of any strong opinion of their own, or from
endorsing that of others in an opposite sense, which it
appears, from recent circumstances, is liable to lead to
great misapprehensioe of their intentions by foreign autho-
rities. In putting the question be had read
1. would add another, viz., whether the noble lord had re-
'red any amount of the noble conduct of Abdel-Kader in
pro
tecting some thousands of Christians in his house in
Damascus--his house and that of the British consul being
the only ones that were not sacked in that quarter of the
city, and whether any acknowledgment of that conduct
was contemplated?

Mr. S. FITZGERALD desired to offer • word on one or
two points before the noble lord replied. It was important
that the house should know, so far as the noble lord
thought it was consistent with what was doe to the inte-
rests of the public service to afford the information, what
was the present state of the affairs of Syria with to
the signatures to the convention between the powers for
interfering in those affairs. There could be no difference
of opinion as to the importance of supporting the autho-
rity of the Turkish government in the as it appeared neces-
sary interference on the part of the European powers ;
consequently it was right that they should know the
terms and nature of the convention and also the
arrangements with regard to the contingent which
was to be applied—whether there had been, or
was to be, any stipulation as to the course the Eu-
ropean forces were to take— that was, whether they were to
act in support of, and not contrary to, the instructions the
Turkish commander might receive from his government?
He would not say a word implying doubt as to the policy of
the French government. He could well uuderstand, con-
sidering the claim they put forward of being the protectors
of the Latin Christian church in the East, that it wow im-
possible for them to avoid taking some steps in consequence
of these massacres, but it was well known that great jea-
lousy existed between France and Russia upon this question
of the protection of Christians in Turkey, the one claiming
to be the protestor of the Latin, and the other of the Greek
Christians, and it appeared to bun by no means impossible
that that jealousy might create complication and difficulties.
If France interfered in Syria in favour of the latin Chris-
tans in Syria, Russia might feel herself oempelled to inter-
fere—at all events, she would not be likely to resist any
that might be put upon her fur that purpose in
Evelqrilf the (;reek Christians in other parts of Turkey. In
tent there were at this moment rumours current in Paris,
and he should like to hear 10108 explanation from the noble
lord on this point, that the delay which bad arisen in at-
taching the signatures to the convention had arisen from a
desire on the part of the Russian government that the in-
terference should extend to other portions of the Turkish
empire. It was at all events possible, therefore, that out
of these Syrian disturbances might grow quos-
tons which might imperil the peace of Europe, and it
was consequently the more clearable that the noble lord
should, so far as be could do—so fares was consistent with
the requirements of the public service—state the views of
the government upon the subject, and explain the terms of
the proposed convention. He understood that the noble
lord had consented to produce despatches from the British
coned in the Levant. He believed there was also a com-
munication from our consul at Sehmica in reference to the
proposed convention, which lie (Mr. Fitzgerald) hoped
the noble lord would also lay upon the table.

Lord J. RUSSELL—My bon. friend has sated very acs
enratrly from the papers upon the table, and from the ac-
counts that have appeared in the newspapers, the facts of
the mammon that have taken place in Syria. It is, there-
fore, unnecessary for me to go into any fuller detail, but
the house will naturally expect that I should state what,
has been dope by her Majesty's government and the Turkish
government in consequence of those acts, which show so
much cruelty on the part of those tribes, and so much
negligence, to say the least, on the part of the Turkish
. The last accounts we have received ante that
governors
mLiacres have to a great extent ceased, and that
order had been restored in Damasens. Feed Pacha
had at the date of those accounts arrived at
Damascus, and the late governor, who showed
such culpable negligence and appeared to be so indifferent
to the murders of the Christians, never interfering at all
while them murders were going on, and who it was said
might with 100 men have stopped the disturbances--that
pseha has been sent to Constantinople to be tried. 'The
report we have received from Sir H. Bulwer is to the effect
that he has been sent back to Damascus where the witnesses
lived, but that there is no disposition on the part of the
Porte to show any undue lenity to him or to screen him
from justice, and the severe punishment he deserved.
(Hear, hear.) The Porte had sent at different tunes not
only Fuad Pacha, a, man of great energy, but no
fewer than 26,000 troops. It appears to be true
that on the 10th ultimo there was • sort of peace
or truce signed between the Drumm and the Maroultes,
and one of the terms of it was that there should be no
inquiry into peat tnumactious on the part of the Maronites,
and that all attacks should cease. /sow the boo gentleman
the member for Ayr was perfectly jurtified in saying that,
In regard to the atrocities that had taken place, we are not
to masider the limonite Christians as perfectly defenceless,
and not able to attack their neighbours ; but, on the con-
trary, the Maronites and Drums, being both armed, and
bitterly hostile to each other, the question was which
attacked the other first? But undoubtedly great atrocities
were practised by the Drums upon the Christians, and the'
lives of thousands of the latter have been ascrificed. Such
have been the proceedings on the part of the Porte ; but
now with regard to the Christian powers. When these
accounts were first received the French government pro-
posed that there should be a commission of inquiry, and that
that columbine]) should not be limited to Turkish officials
and Turkish conimissiuntra, bet that European commis
sinners should be appointed to act upon it. That they
should endeavour to search out and ascertain who were the
authors of them massacres, and also to suggest measures
calculated to secure peace for the future. To that moped.
tion not only her Majesty's government and the other
powers of Europe, but the Porte also willingly anieuted, and
it was determined that the commission so constituted should
issue. But on the receipt of further accounts from Ilamaxusuf
the attack upon thehouse of the French Consul, aud upon the
ounvente specially protected by Forum; the French
governmert represented to us that they did not wish to
take up any separate cause or to ask for repanitiou fur any
overate injury or insult, but that they wished the powers
of Europe iseriously to consider whether the evil was not of
such magnitude, and whether the acts perpetrated were
not so horrible, as to form a ground for the powers
taking up the case conjointly awl endeavouring to devise
*ollie means to prevent the recurrence of such scenes.
I must say the Russian government mid at once, "We
think there should be no separate action. No one power
should act ahem but whatever a done should be done by
geuend consent!' The French government proposed that •
Europsan force should he sent out at once to Syria, with a
view to strengthen the Turks, and to enable them to take
effectual measures for the purpose of pacification. This is
• matter, no doubt, of very great importance, which one
cannot say is wf.hout its danger, but it seems to be dic-
tated by the oecessities of the caae, and her Majesty's
government readily agreed to consider with the other powers
what ought to be done on that subject. The nego.istions
caused some delay, and there were question, with regard to
the form id the resolutions to which the powers should
agree. It was finally agreed upon that in the shape of a
protocol provisions should be MOO for sending European
Syria. I have received acouunta front Paris at
tir:Perock to
this day, stating that • protocol had been signed
by the representatives of the five powers and of the Sultan.
The nature of the protecl—or it may be the two protocols
--that have been signed will he to the following effect :
net the Eurepeau powers agree, upon the repremutation
of the Sultan. that he wishes or the aid of hie alike
in order to restore tranquillity in Syria; that a body
trot exceeding 12,000 men should be sent to Syria. The
next article provides that one-half of these troops should
be furnished by France, and that immediately after the
signing of the protocol they should be empowered to em.
bark. It is provided when they arrive there their move-
ments shall he in concert with &the commissioner of the
Porte, mud that the Sultan en his side shall take every
means to furnish provisions and facilities for the
march of the troops. It is also provided by the
protocol this: the stay of the foreign troops in
Syria shall not be prolonged beyond six mouths, for it ix
believed that the objec, stiaglit to be attained can be accom-
plisked within that time. The right hoe. gentleman
(Mr. re Fitsgerald) tasked whether there were repreaeuta-
time 012 the part of Russia on this subject, sad whether
they did Hot clause some delay iu the signing of the proto-
cola. With regard to the aubstance of this question it
certainly was t view of the Russian government that
the live powers, with the Wiultan, should turn their serious
attention to this subject, with a view of amelierating the
condition of the Christians in European Turkey anal Turkey
generally. It is stated that the powers acting with the
Porte remembered the engagements which were entered
into in lei., sail that they engaged with the Sultan that
measures cf amelioration should be taken. I MUSS say that
Sir IL Bulwer having sent a series of queries to the
various consuls in European Turkey received some answers
showing great intelligence unit knowledge of that country,
but without showing that the government of the Sultan was
tyntuuical ur oppeesaive, yet also showing that there are
a number of deism in the government difficult of remedy,
but also some easy of. remedy. and therefore juti,f;i2
Russia in the proposal she had made. But thei
was in the meet general terms, and it will not justify an
intervention of say foreigu power in any future
future case* to be left to their own merits. There was no
provision for the future, and, according to the
appeal of her Majesty's government, ft would be
most improvident and roust dangerous to make
airy provision for the future by which there should be any
interfersace with the government of the Sultan. There is
besides • prottierd declaring, it the terms of the pretocol of
1840, that in interfering in the strain of Turkey none of
those powers should oak for any additional territory, or any

&elusive Infinence, or aby separate commercial advantage.
In the difficult and perilous condition of the Turkish empire,
and necessity there'll.= to be that the powereof
Europe
should from time to tine interfere in some way withtWhee
audition of that empire, it seems to her Majesty's govern-
ment, sod I believe it is the general opinion of the
powers of Europe that the only path of safety lies in con-
cert sad combination between the notions not seeking emi-
rate advantages, but endeavouring to point out to the Porte
in what =inner his throne may le best made secure, and
satisfaction may be given to all his subjects, Christians as
well as Turks. The task is • most difficult one, and nothing
but the most disinterested conduct on the pert of the
powers, as well as the inclination of the Sultan to adopt the
forms which are necessary, will enable us to conduct it with
safety. At the eansetimewhile advice is Riven and reforms are
suggested it is necessary that the ultimate execution of those
powers should be in the bands of officers appointed by the
Porte. If thiepowen were to admit of any interference
there is this great danger always attendant upon that
question, that when there r
are to be an executive in-
terference on the part of poems, the M
hammedans consider that theyEounrottr o-
aide have been be-
trayed, and the whole) empire might be involved in blood-
shed. That is one great difficul y. The protocol has,
however, been signed, and when it is received I shall lay it
upon the table ; but I trust to the forbearance of the house
in not asking for papers as to what has taken place. We
must endeavour, according to our viewsof policy, to do what
seems to us best to psaslrve the peace of Europe, and to
rule the state of TLrltq. But until something is settled
I trust we shall not be called upon for these papers. With
respect to the question of the hon. member for Devizes, I
do not think I can add anything to what I formerly stated.
We have laid down the broad line with respect to the South
of Italy that we do not propose to interfere force with a
view to prevent the Italians from settling their government
in their own way, an the governments of Great Britain and
France are determined not to interfere. (Hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT said, considering the position of the noble
lord who had just net down, ho was not disposed
to find fault with the explanation he had made,
or with reprd to the intervention which was
about to take plate. Probably there was no in-
tervention within our memory which could be so well
excused, became it took the aspect of the move of • polioe
force rather than that of any body of troops with any
special political object. But he had seen with satisfaction
what appeared to him the moderate and fair course which
bad been pursued by different governments in regard to
this very difficult question, and he hoped the course which
bad been pursued by the French government, so far as
they could judge from what they read, would be another
glufor lessening the distrust entertained of that power.
llion. member for Horsham (Mr. S. Fitzgerald),
in putting his question to the noble lord, expressed hia be-
lief that the noble lord was as strong as ever he was in the
intention of maintaining the integrity of the Turkish em-
pire. But be (Mr. Bright) bad risen for the purpose of
entering has protest against any such policy. He knew
somewhat of the difficulty of the position of the noble lord
the Foreign Secretary. Vie had been supporting the Sultan
for a considerable period, and hitherto with very indifferent
success. (Hear, hear.) It was notorious that in the whole
of that part of Asia which bad been under an Egyptian
pacha there was perfect tranquillity throughout Breland, and
travellen might passwith security ; but when that authority
was withdrawn the country returned to its former state,
and to the state of anarchy in which it now was. He (Mr.
Bright) objected to this country interfering to preserve a
country, which was doomed to extinction. Gomiug down to
the sad calamity of the Crimean war, he could say that he
expressed his disapprobation of that war at the time no
these grounds, that they were about to expend untold mil-
lions of treasure and thousands of lives in what must he an
impossible task ; and yet they rushed into it as if the thing
was of easy achievement. He remembered that a noble
lord in the other house made • speech to show that the
Mohammedans were better Christians in their practices than
the Russians themselves. He remembered that the noble lord
at the head of the government, who was not particular in
what lie stated when he had an object to induce the house
to take a certain course, also made • speech, in which he
said he believed there was no country in Europe in which
improvement and improved edminiatratiou had made such
progress in the last twenty years as Turkey and the govern-
ment of Turkey. He did not assume that the noble lord
did 004 believe that to be true, but if be did he was the
only man in Europe at all acquainted with Turkish affairs
who did believe it. After they had made war, then, and
chastised Russia, they came now, seven years after the
commencement of that war, and they found Turkey in a
worse condition of anarchy than when they first meddled
with it. That war, moreover, destroyed whatever Turkey had
of a fleet or an army, a& it left the financial 000thtion
of the country more embarramed than it was before. That
war moreover depreciated and stained in the eye of the
Mohammedan population the dignity of the Sultan, which
they bad been accustomed to regard so highly ; and, then,
we had maintained upon the throne of Turkey • man totally-
incapable of doing any single thing in the way of govern-
ment. They beard • few months back that the Sultan bed
issued severe orders connected with the finances ; that was
all pretence, done with the view of sending up the price of
Turkish stock in the markets of Europe, and to force peo-
ple to believe that there was going to be eonse improve-
ment ; but there was no improvement made. They
sometimes hood of a wadding in the Sultans
family, or the families of the great pashas,
the extravagenee of which could be hardly credited, but
they heard (rem all sides that there was growing up in that
country distrust and hatred of the government, and that
the very men who were receiving the wages of the Sultan
would not lift their bands to stay the shedding of the
blood of our fellow-Christians, and to some extent our co.
teligionista. He (Mr. Bright) was speaking lately to a gen.
Berton who knew Turkey well, and who said that five
mars would not pass over—perhaps not half that time—
before the Turks themselves would rise up and
pull down a government which hail no power or
dignity. After all we had suffered and lost in
the Crimea in endeavouring to secure Turkey, should we
be led again into • struggle with any nation iu Europe
with • view of maintaining this decaying and doomed em-
pire? It appeared to him there were only two modes of
avoiding thii : either an entire abstention of the powers of
from interfering that in' Ist, of count, be fol-
low by a sanguinary struggle in European and Asiatic
Turkey or if the European pewees could agree as to
what should be done—not for maintaining the Turkish em-
pire, which he held to be absolutely impossible—but
if there could be • separate government organised
for Syria, independent of Constantinople, that would be
still better ; but in the name of common sense and common
humanity, let the powers abstain from trying to perma-
nently sustain a government which everybody thinks cannot
be sustained. He was most anxious that England should
hold aloof from that policy. He repeated that it was • mis-
take to imagine that the pretended power of the Sultan can
be suppieW by all that was to be does at the expenee of
the taxes raised' from the English people and by shedding
the blood of Englishmen in endeavouring to accomplish
that which was impiesible. (Hear, hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON —The boa. gentleman says that I
am not at all particular in making statements when I have
any object to gain. I think that I may return the cow-
phuient— (laughter) —with this difference, that upon some
questions connected with foreign affairs 1 happen from a
variety of circumatancee to be rather better informed thou
the hon. gentleman, and more especially with respect to this
question of Syria 1 take leave to say that with respect
to this question I derive my information from • long super-
intendence of the Foreign department, whilst the hon.
member derives his from persons with whom he has come
in contact, who from their race and prejudices are not the
most trustworthy advisers on the matter to which he has
referred. The honourable member lays that I stated
one former °erasion that nu country in Europe in the same
space of time hoe made the same progress that the Turkish
empire had done since the death of the Sultan Mabiroud.
I repeat that insertion with the utmost deliberation, and
with the most perfect knowledge of what I am saving.
(Hear, hear.) 1 sin sure that anyone who has any know-
ledge of the state of things in Turkey will confirm this
assertion that I have just made—anyone who speaks im-
partially, free from prejudices, sad with large sad en-
lightened views. (Cheers' and laughter.) I give every
credit to the hon. member for_perfect sincerity, but I nines
say that he has taken • very limited view of the question
on which he lies been speaking. It is easy to say that the
Turkish empire will fall to pieces, and that before this takes
place you must arrange what you will do with the trap-neut.&
If the foreign powers were to adopt the course which the hon.
gentleman sugg4te, and lineage beforehand what they will
do with the fragments of the Turkish empire, it is nut very
likely that after such a partition it would last very much
longer. (Hear, hear.) Although there is an immense
progress to be made to bring Turkey up to the point of any
European nation, and although in looking at Turkey we are
too apt to think upon what remains to be slime, rather than
upon what has been aceompliabeil, still my own opinion is
that if the Turkish empire is left to itself, free froth foreign
interference, except by good advice and support, it will not
fall to pieces so soon us the hon. member faucies. (Cheep.)
It is easy to say, you must make coins preparations for the
&Doi Turkey, but has the hon. member ever considered
what the practical effect will be ou the balance of power
in Europe, if that arrangement which be so ear-
nesjy advocates were to bo made'.' In this respect,
I must say, that the hetioumble member takes a very
limited view. He see only the evils of the present day,
and entirely abuts his eyes to the greater and niece serious
Otiir4 which must result from the policy which be recom-
mends. This is a queetion of very meat importance, and it
cermet be deemed on the motion for adjournment until
Howley, and I only protest against the ere adoption of the
maxims sad policy of the Loa member, in winch 1 beg to
moire him there are involved very grave and serious conse-
quences, which must infallibly result from the course of
policy which he urges. (Hear, hear.)
Thu subject then d
Sir F. SMITH ask the Secretary of State for War
whether her Majoity's goverunieut couteniplated taking
any proceedinp upon the report of the select committee
en military organisation. Sir W. Armstrong had already
received 13,0taie for attending to the gun factory ; but it
was in evidence by one of his partners that the gnus re-
quired coaster t impection. while in proems, Bieck no after-
inspection could detect impatient blemishes in the com-
pleted weapon. Adequate inspector should therefore be
appointed.
SUPERANNUATION 1N THE DOCHYARDS.
Sir F. BARING called attention to the lose of superan-
nuation in the dockyards.
Lord C. PAGET said that his right hon. friend had com-
plained that his carded hail been that o sea-wye
r.
tilt
min (Lad C. Paget's) predecessor hf a
ail said lathat he felt
' nos doubt as to the moaning Gt the act, he had been called&

" sea-lawyer." But he submitted that if any one was to
blame for the obscure meaning of the act, it was the fault
of the late government. His right hon. friend had elicited a
chew from the house by saying he hoped this would not be
treated as a question of expense ; but, if it was intended to
t superannuation to all the dockyard labourers, be
grant superannuation to all the dockyaxd labourer,, be
(Lord C. Paget) felt bound to say that the expense would
enormous. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. W. Williams.) The
object of this act, as stated by the late Secretary to the Trea-
sury, was, " to get good men at moderate prices." There was
no doubt that the dockyard artificers were and had been
entitled to superannuate= • but what was the return which
they gave for this boon? Why, that they remained in the
public service at a lower rate of wages than they could ob-
tain elsewhere. The ordinary dockyard labourers received
2a. 2d. a day, which was the full market value of their la-
bour ; but the artificers got only 4s. 6d. a day, which was
lees than the market value of their labour. The 17th clans.
of the act was no doubt very obscurely worded ; but an
the conatruction of the act he (Lmd C. Paget) con-
tended that it was impossible to say that it meant
to include all the dockyard labourers of every class.
He must warn the house against the expenditure into which
it was being proposed to be led ; and with regard to the
recommendations for placing labourers on the superannua-
tion, all the Admiralty could do was to refer them to the
Treasury.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said the arrangement contemplated
by the government and by parliament in paring the bill
which referred to this rub ought to be regarded .as
binding, and it would be a hof faith to refuse to give
the men those benefits it was intended to bestow.

Mr. CORRY also expressed hie conviction that the dock-
yard labourers were properly included under the Super-
annuation Act, and he bore testimony that this fact wee
distinctly recognised by the government at the time. He
did not see that there would be anything more absurd in
prescribing an examination to be passed by those men than
there was in some of the otier official examinations.

The other subjecta discussed upon the motion for ad-
journment included the appointment of a resident consul in
the city of Lyons i the report of the select committee on
military organisation ; the British territory on the Red
River and Assiuiboine ; the indemnity payable by China
under the treaty of Tien-tail, and the increased ability of
China to pay a pecuniary indemnity ; the public lunatic
asylum at Kingston, Jamaica ; the case of the colonels pro-
mated to that rank for distinguished services in the Crimea
who, upon the revision of the lists by the commissioners of
1&514 were omitted from consideration in the report of that
commission ; the propoeal to shorten the stocks of the rides
manufactured at Enfield, and the political offices held by
Mr. George Keogh, lately appointed Crown Prosecutor for
the county of Meath.
The motion for adjournment was then agreed to at a few
minutes before 11 o'clock. _ _

The report upon fortifications and works being brought
up, after some remarks by Atilland WALCOTT and Mr. W.
WILLIAMS . . .

Kr J. PiIEINGTONT ruggested to the government the
expediency, in carrying out the fortifications, of establish-
ing naval barrack, and naval prisons, which would, in his
opinion, tend materially to improve the organisation and
discipline of the navy.
Lord C. PAGET agreed in this suggestion, which the
Admiralty. he said, hail not lost eight of.
Sir M. SEYMOUR likewise approved the suggestion.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE hoped the Secretary for War
would paws Wore he went on with the land defences,
which required greet consideration.
The report was agreed to, and leave was given to bring in
the bill. _

The house then went into a committee of supply, and
resumed the consideration of the vote for the works at the
houses of parliament, which, after a diftliallioll of much
interest on the subject of the frescoes and other decorations
of the new palace, was reduced by 1,6001., the cost of
statues of our last two sovereigns.
Mr. SPOONER proposed to reduce the vote still further
by the omission of 1,2007. for the Commons Corridor ; but
this amendment was negatived upon a division of 67 by 44.
Mr. A. SMITH moved a reduction of the vote by
30,0001., upon the ground that the vote of last year under
this head was unexpended, and this amendment was like-
wise negatived by 60 to 32.
. . . .

mdm r
37,9971., was then agreed to,
and to be
REFEWINENTTOtUdSES AND WINE LICENSES

(IRELAND) BILL.

The amendments to this hill were considered and agreed to.
STAMP DUTIES (DISTIttLIT kEUIBTItAItfI° FEES)

BILL

This bill paned through committee.
WAYS AND MEANS.
A oohs of 10,000,0001. was plated la committee of ways
aad mesas.

TNITISTRIAL EICHOOLSACT (1157) AMENDMENT

BILL.

Upon the emotion of Sir •576:LZWIlif, this bill was read •
second time.
SALE OF OAS ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

Upon the motion that this bill be committed,
Mr. SHERIDAN Said he considered the bill was vest
imperfect in its character. He should therefore move
that it be committed that day three months. No damage
could accrue from the postponement of the question until
next session.

Sir J. SH LLEY thought that as this wan merely a con-
tinuance bill, and had comedown from Use Lords, it might
be passed this ease' .
Mr. MALI NS also supported the bill.
Sir G. C. LEWIS trusted the house would agree to the
measure. He appealed to the hon. menilwr to withdraw
his amendment.

The house divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it 58
Majority against Mr. Sheridan's motion
This announcement was received with laughter and cries
... ...

of " Oh."
The house then went into committee.
Mr. SHERIDAN moved the omission of the first clause.
After some discussion,
Mr. HIPIT moved that the Chairman report progress.
The motion was agreed to without a division.
The house adjourned at 20 minutes to three o'clock.