The Express.
London, England, 1859-03-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS..—WaDraaDAT, MAL= 9
The flrsalui took the chair at 2 o'clock.
Colonel LToolt took the oaths and his oat cm his rte.
&dim fee Tworkeabary. Mr. 8. EsTOO9l7 also took the
oaths aid his seat on his re-election fur North Wilts.
AMENDMENT TO THE REFORM BILL.
Lard J. RUSSELL—I beg to shift that an the second
reading of the bill to amend the repremstation of the people
Is puffiest's* I shall move err auxeshnsat. I will give notion
of the term at that amendment to-amerow. (Cheers.) .
JURIES (IRELAND) BILL.
this
Mr.
1811. J. D. FITZGERALD moved the mond reading of
Lord NAAS did not intend to oppose the second reading,
bat stated that it was the intention of the government to ta-
to:deco a measure on the subject, and he would ask the hot.
patlemen to Ix the (store stage of bis bill at such a time all
to allow the two hills to be consider. d together, so that the
boom might hare en opportunity of judging between them.
Altar a Amerada from Mr. F. FRENCH,
Mr. FITZGERALD flied the oommtttee on the bill for
fist day lbetalglst.
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CHURCH BATES BILL.
Mr. WALPOLII moved the loved nadir; of this 1,111.
Str J. TRELLWIIY. on Thing to move that the bill be
reed a second tier that day tax months, said he gave the right
km. puttee= every credit for hi. dedn to settle dd. long-
dinned meetion, but did not believe that anychng short of
total abolition would meet the death* of dieter (Hear,
r.i...His owe bill was a t eimple that it could sot M IBM
sed- if the voltmtary prbdph maid be relied
we 7 that bill would be ellmfolest fee the wpm.
TM bin Mlle right bon. gentleman me faulty In nem re-
=sots, an 4 meld produce the more Warless red= It
would make chants rates a prior iscuratesem suns nettle&
Now, he amide= it mat unfdr to Pees web se hes*
Mande erty which in some math woe unable le beer
it. He of ‘ to the orestitutlon of the new enemata
oossisting of the obereldrudeas and the Wombed, eel
believed seek a cheep celculated to brim the clergy:am
into addable with his parihienera. But brides that, the
bill would wppeer the useful and coaritutit nal coated
of ve.thiss. (Her, beer.) It might be said that the die.
asters bad me right to appear In metes If they did not ore.
=bete to the ehouvh. (Hear, hear.) Bat be thought these
wee m edmeitsge Is the attendance of dissenters at vi wive,
hr they were in mast' ores dMosad to contribute to the sup-
port et the Web of the elm* The mess= would plea,
its deseeter it • deadventegamspositke, Mot= to be re-
Bend hem paying ohm= rellesdr meet sign a derlaraties
that be wishes to take so pot is cherub =aqua. The bill
bed mother halt !thresh set only matinue the spiatioa Is
dieekte where WWI= now premilled, bat would pro-
duce aftihdlos is died* whin dim= rela had sassed.
Take the ere of Mesebetter and other Inge team where
death rales had bent thensited. The. might bosoms=
dramas elm by way el ebewing hie
ha the estelemen of hoinews, la isglarit chain
rte., sad des the rate midi be Hades= almost permaaset,
be *dimmers meld have disseethellikd themesivee
g r hem
wiasesend =ponies to clergymen. (Hear,
we is the bill seabling
te hem thenth refee by rherpeg
them to themalord ; but in mob ores impost therms,
and aillealthe would arise. The bill would provide no per-
=mei sittlereist of the mile which now existed. It pm
via= modem to =tidy the churchmen, became they Moot
with for my theme. It cottoned nothing to middy the
diesseters, lbecatue they woe at present is as geed a pandas
as they would be after the bill should pass. Geed the peat
*Who( the prow system was that churchmen were called
epos to pay not only for parent chuschas but to diorite
churches, end the bill did not proper to led with that pad
of the subject. With regard to pew rear, bile rempathe wee
with the Add ben. patkaisa, for he thought the working
closes ought to have the oppostesity d eitendiag public
worship. Now, It wr • rarer worthy of cassiderstion that
the wafer classes would not have the amens of attending
pub* worship but for the aid larded then by the diame-
ters, for whilst the sittings provided by the Church of Ear
Lsd were may 6,000,000, those provided by the dimmers
was nearly equal In amount. (Chem.) Believing the
mew* Inadequate for the purpose which it was intended to
acoompin, he begged to move sea amendment that it be
reed that day six maths. (Chews.)
Mr. HARDCASTLI said that the many schema el
somproathe which had bees semperd with rehenge le
thumb rues, the hill under dissighe was the my were
that bed ems mar hi. =dee. (list.)
Mr. 5, isrocruar said that be did an helkss it
was wished by the most detersebed nossosimaist is
Begird that the elm*. Mesh hill dews. (flow,
hem) The resedes me how thaw Amid essialen
them. It me • vet, hard thing that b War to relieve*,
coesciencee of • ember of her Majesty's 'abhor they
should deprive others who had no such objection to
that which had hitherto been thought Mb deride= • mode
of providing for a want winch all aped should be
provided tor. He thought tinders they ought
not to abolialt church rates, but that they
at le= to go into coctraithee to a hill whisk
offered a nosonable prospect of ettelleg the meter. Mem
rate from this matter say =adios et eteeeleste, middle mete
hottest and direr mode of previa( teem/ medal
mss of a rate. Well, whet third f He bad
to the mach of the her. term* and all the otentiese to
Me sea, as fat ea Mead& mdembeil,_ wee ischolsil seder
then two Me& If they goad mesa Sem at his ht them
In ben esmimhble es the hell. Is eserdese sep 'Mew
Ikeda@ "whim OW be tidy met. hat ea brier
arrive at. emiebiles which by Wadded@ of the popsheles
would he Mt to be spud Medi* Give time the cepa•
tip of eseeitheng whether this bill, which we. now he
the time sand by say gourmet, mold be a =dr
mat of the penion. There wee arid= pobt which he
let en Mak had hem sunkiently considered, sad that wee
the me of deeded** Is them charchyards the hem
• therthalinliell *meters lay. Seep= the rate we.
Heil= te the sedelseanos of churthyrds, pthepsoehbot
of denesil be mg* His
is nice was that the midi
pessodier was by • Tits on every parish, rear&
ing-le *add Mesa principles of soll-government. Be OM
set =44 sad he did not expect that by any ematuutalles
they wadi pedal for the expenses now defrayed by the
church refe. That width he should dedre wee that church
rates shield essliese to exist ; but if by this bill they
should thagether sump from the payment of these rates
every am vie eimmisritiously objected to these, if they
thought this me deginthie, they could effect the object by this
bull, and be could sot but hope that the hope would allow
his right boo. freed who had brought forward the bill I. a
meaner that wee piaming to both Bide, of the house to go
into oteireftter.
Sir G. GREY add the object of the bill was to
exturnieh church rates by fadlitatiteg comoutatiose;
bat ha did not think that min this bill they would
have commutaticso A pinyon who mead eli the land
in a parish miaht °mime= but they would sot find one
of twenty or thir'y Isedowners in a pa-in Meg bredf
sad hie moomors with a certale_payeint wham other re-
fused to commute their rates. There Wee use
tear who bed nil-
objebcitillistathrrate. rite that he hed • dititerlitd.
=bodes, but, leakier to all the thhoulties of the case,
we, =Eng to °suede it. The provides in the
however, Maud= some who ought to be minded, sad ex-
cluded some who ought to be included. He thought they
ought he M Lee called ups to m.ka a solemn dada/nips
that they constieutionly objected to pay church tat= Wait
should be odnoint that they objected to pay them. He re-
gretted be could not Live his vote for the second reeding t
the bill, which was Introduced, he had so doubt, with the
beet desire to pet* the quatioe.'
SO J. PAIL INOTON wee sorry to say that the speech he
had jest hued to brought to big mind the painful condo-
dm that the sprit of petty—(cheers and lon cries of " Na
no")--that the spirit of patty—(repeated mice of " No, so.")
Pisalmol hes. gentlemen would allow him to address
the INNIMP; wat. he would bow to their decieloa, and sit
dews; but it be woe allow= to Mhos the house he
trashed he Amid le allowed to aspen these opinions
width he leastely esertaised. He *mid sot shriek beta
gab( that the speech of the right lies. harm* had hewed
as his mini the couvicteas that the gbh of pry wee atilt
le
ithshainumetutt, and that, Memo Mm mem= h
sad
fees makevoariag to deal with dab subject died-
-7.l.sulsonseweedil now sot Mew ethers to deal with it.
Tills See the Imes as decide was, whether they
hove semmielhe eve sheaths! Abolitios would do
jest se wadi *hem is the eensoisatious MMus of what
M WM= hi be • u=sfele as numb Mae
thinissiere did kt the of then who op-
' prei does; eid hp vestimed .sel=l"..Mat the oesedesime
• eliereieles was jest ma mesh setkled to moped se dere
of hombre. (Ohms.) Whetter the I* et the bill might
be, 14 meld give hthi peat ambhades es Idled that her
illapelfe imminent had meth •Mr ear • thatdry had
eel= is • essehelery milt; mil test *my hail doss
whet
diesrim r ha nom pot attilwiliti. It now ma
le hew to err whether the =miss *add be added
is the spite which be looped es see er er whether the
egltdirs then* be mike* sad biesitelf rdsoloi-
Mk BEEHELL and the Oche hes. t (Br J.
PaidiMessieed es think he had spies in a tamed pease
and eheersthm. ()eemider.) Me (Mr BOMA Mot=
*et se dirrili would amp Ms mime* amaprosiste—
this Mem= tie mete hermony betimes soothing* that ere
reedy Inemeelimblo Behead that every whe teak
yet la this goateet wouldhe—ab inscribe Ides his 1611 the=
N• empresesolate =olden. tioessis
Oahe the bin the sonata mold ge se the with •
relit b cm head a= a dedeistles is the other ;aed
co Ide =miles ese cl Meet Bath bad so frieit is pill
the
aspen& eherselhe le him.
_(Rmer, best Besides,
bill meld areatwerk. It would so" therstrulosirille I
Mb*, sod ecenierdte la tides to hasil, sad mesa
mew to lard. As a lawyer, therahms, he shirld girt the
MU his ohms= mention ; bet the sat *lbis de-
red= to it ms the quit** Of plttlelt whisk he Mil
sheeted. (Clore.)