The Express.
London, England, 1860-02-03 00:00:00

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teemoved. l/pat the whole, agreeing with Mr. Wise la
to=he lasci is view, he doubted whether a standing
yea the best mode of &Wants, it. He could as-
sume the Yams that the satenthe of the goveratmet dories
tie room had been most y devoted to the 'abject,
sad he hoped that wise the for the yaw were be-
fore the hems ft would be ems Mat their awes= had not
ai
fifer. reisrlirlitir.eight the house end the a
is be astramely MAW to the boa. menthsrllerr=
tee Lawgiag thle taegoetanit **km before them
at this only period of the ameion. ficiemdting
mast be done to keep the engeediture 'within betels,
for he thought that gendeema who want Yelled to be not
only literal but lavish in mend to the deism of the coun-
try ought to be eased to sontithise the votes for the civil
wok* preened by gerthremeet. No great belt
mould punk ism debaliwg and dividing open the
few small lams which formed together oar civil
sun* soduries, booms daring the eve years he
had eat to the home with tins .err four meemetens
every vets rowed by the novenae* bad be.. cerrisd.
H• thought that at a very early period at the seeks the
home ought to way bibs (O.IIIIWMNIII fie were*s prepared
to vote 2,t5a.., bet that am the *Mewl =Lisatithealfht
that 4,000, sr 6,400,0004 would be gees and
Mat they the gomninseat he Um their mem*
ern that
sOight has. mimaler fur
hamehbe very ceetedos emisthibulir%
civil semis ft wee Ise Set the
mil of eft nth nee in am amencaded rthod, he lieo
heal that lila day mooed very sqoa . whim ets home
and the glueameset would be le demi more e-
inem te mediesi then they hail litheto* given to ft;
ad he Wm* thiemeddith ow admire& imetleerwidek
would be dietemed *S em
the i pereement. (Haar, bear.)
The CHANCILLO of HICHBQUBB eat the
bar gentiemen who jest set down bed Meted OM be was
met seethed with the Othe of the obeemlione et to. boa.
fried the thorsteor Be the Trmenry. If that wore se,
meet be owing le Milt that the mesning of hi has.
kind hat feed to medethe mini .1 the hoe. enetlemen.
NothAiesuld be tabor then time statement of hi has. bind,
admitted Odle bed to oaths* with this Me-
ath, Ibil aid of Me Marty we sot propsrad to eon-
led with
r*nee*emuneek deethemr, itch es we lived wader •
ja _ orbit* the soak at az-
Pis nOesd 'in die long run by pub-
wit Me testis • timid *tuner meet that
of the repair mind we so indiewent on the
ear* that *ling would be retheted an tb. tone mad
Erof that home sad thew* *at the teem and
tine engaged i the
lememieses Wagtail nbltive:o7=iral or a
mellewnl thesis that., patheidtaissma hem seethed
at in earrntreey et views whisk
WU
meet to be fl=im with a due regard
to the, of the rthils *hem There wee
op doubt Hiat ems years pan thew bid bean •
greekethisfeey to mimed the public empthillithe and It
rogthell emy slid on *part of the homes mil tit mem-
asiellie sake remedy to this Mate of things, width it wee
Wald le threet Mould be feeble in the erLithuijimealort
mtherite alleat. It we vale to suppose
was a osameenee d *eke out of deem any awls Is
redoes the ,ezpendithre could he girded welt ley
great meth with regard to the civil aril ad/Cl4llllOllll
lallll4lll. BO as lit bee. friend oleo the goverement
weed be able to thew by their sets what their bilentime
were, however small wee their powen. Bat wire they went
tato the ethiet et Ohs Misaillansom dew those
anima* bed leen hid urge the tabby he heal**
be die to weeisfy Oho house then lb* led_ gees their lent
atteafion We subject, sad that if his hoeowe hied
(kr. Baxter) bad lammed attentively to the shies-
meth of the esoretary to the remiry la would
have seat the vast Yoram that had lathe dace tof late
years hi the nthesibeesei Wiesen. These augmentations
ware due after all to a anon ifeeder of abject., me or two
of which It was maremeiy Minh tar the t to
mairoL When the graelltheithwearliiiia
atthatr pleopeeste
regard to them, be least enabled
to show—noterithsteWar Mob tithe to womanise—
that very little could IS dine ka the ahem of
red sent,
Hie hammed* hi* a"
cent et the pont dandies, so *speak, in this matter, was
the adsos vete. Ober.) The government bad given
pan Meatier to this walk" but they fazed them-
selves codronted by this fest,- that • COCUlliliSkill had
been Seed two or three rare ago to month* Into
this ea t, wed It wee belly possible until that ono-
Weston produced their awn to propose say material
in that vote. The government had sethavoured to
the expanskm of that vote, not for the purpose of
ireirethe the means of oduoalise, but, while mowing ths
pen ellthet to the head yomile extent, to reduce the sys-
tole hi =ISM 110011111111111•1 dimensions. (Hear.) He was
stated the ecensehelse it inquiry took • serious Moo of the
greet polio evil lathed on the country by the repeated th-
ere* et that Toth, and it maid be dui main object to
Meek, if as altogether so pram*, that Ire*. His hem
Mend the Secretary to the Treasury had rather understated
the evil, stating that the vote bad savanood from 180,0001. to •
2,0000001. ; but there were those who told them that if they
acted upon the rules now in forme, Dot =any years would
el ape. before the vote would increase
from 2,000,0001. to
3,000,0001., and more. Wall, these things were absurd be-
yood the power of I wimp le describe. The burden mane
only enormous in itse but it had a most corrupting effect on
the country. That effect, as well as the soonomicsl
consideration of the gamble, demanded their moat careful
and immediate consideration. With reaped to the motion
before the house, he wished to Managed& between the mo-
tion itself and the vote that the member for Stafiord invited
them to cane to. He balled that bum. member ea an ally in
the mum of soosany, and be tendered him the tribute dais
admiratioa for the no end ability he displayed in in
this subjoin. The be.. member for Meet:row
that the civil emits estimates should at the maim/ period
be limited to 6,000,0001., or 6,1100,0001. He (the tbmosßer
of the Exchequer) oould not anew in each a propositke as
being the beat end mom leaded method of enforelag
soosomy, and be was codident that good would SAO !ma
the ham. menthe for Beaded having invited the attention of
the home to the subject. It was not that the mods
of England were obstinately set upon theme mutton;
they derived their tone hoes the debates in that
house, and if they saw the house In earnest In their views
upon ecosesey, they would set is harmony with it. Bon
whilst that house wee aced spout by the people, it was la
their power to reset upon the meth With regard to the
motion belies it was framed, not think it could be
advantageously adopted. The hen. gentleman had included
within the vie* of a single committee three im=
questions •, but these three questions would
oat into something like thby, so Got in-
stead of say ass osaunittes both, cabbie of
investigating all the questions it would require at least sir
committees to get through the business proposed to them.
With regard to the civil novice expediting, he amid under-
tab to say that no one committee could undertake to do it
justice, from the mad* end variety of its details. In his
*pinion the appointment of • committes every
year would be nowise and mischievous. Such •
committee would begin by taking away from the
ethestive government all responsibility, and waled end
by dismiving that reepossibility into pare vapour. (Haar,
hear.) What was to be done in this matter should be done
periodiadly, ant not by • committee to be appointed every
year. A committee of that kind eat Memo years ago, and
the issue of it was • recornmandation to abolish one of the
Lords of the Treasury. He was not very sanguine as to the
operation of such a committee, unless it was appointed with
a peculiar aim, and with the resolution of that bum
to serve on each committees. In this way an afire could be
made from time tonna.; but It was practically impossible
that snob a oommittes could be appointed from year to year.
Hader these circametanote, he thought the motion wee un-
sound in principle, as regarded the appointment of
• thounittes from year to year ; and be believed
it would be impossible for any ens committee to
discharge such • number of font ions as would
be required of it. He gave no opinion as to whether
the time had arrived for the appointment of another com-
mittee on the miesellsneous ortolan., but with a now ad-
ministration ie doe he thought it might be well to permit
the miscallsosons estimates to be laid on the table before they
proceeded further in the consideration of such a tours, as
the propomf. The government, however, could not give
their swot to the hon. gontletaan'e proposition. (Hair.)
Mr. BRIGHT paid if the plan of his hoe. friend wen not
adopted, or some such plan, it appeared quite clear ro hiss
that we were fast 'Meg cm to a ware of se airs which would
prove meet alarming. We were now in • proverb*
state, bat the day might come whim we would
tot have had two or three good harvest.,
when the cotton crap might mot have beers prolific, and when
there might not be industrial well-doing. He thongbt they
ought themselves, as mask when in the country as in that
house, to w.rn their countrymen spinet the pernicious folly
which had dietinguithed them end parliament and the
abbe to: many year, for be was sure that if they did not
Maser that policy it most lead to dietster, if not to utter thin.
Sir H. WILLOUGH BY supported the motion.
The house thea divided. The numbers were
Ayes.
121
Ay
Noes 93
Majority against the govensment -28
The announcement was received with great cheering Wow
the gangway on both Wee of the halm.
INCOKI TAX.
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Mr. POLLARD-UiliiiiatT the'S moved for "a select
oommittee to inqtdre whsterre it he pantile to adopt same
sods et asesseleg the iseeree tax whereby the isiestises end
woods= sow waterally compielawd d may be wholly or
pastielly obwieeeL" The has. genilemes mid he hoped the
Louse would give him their sites** for • short time while
he showed the muse which had beim taken wish regard
to this Mx. Is 1842 the original lessee Tax sta4
wee weed by the las Sir Robert Peel, mod la 184611 wee
atolla wrist through parliament by that right haw gentle-
meta Is 1848 she tai was remused by the right beesser.
able Immo the Searetary tor loft (air C. word). in order
=eke up a Brielosey to the MOGUL Is 1861 It we
...awed by the some right hos. sesames, with

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view table tAr possums to MOM MN* 11119**1* *
theta:NM of the ewastry i tad la the fillewlag MIS OW
Wire wee, is Use swim et the
Clot the sem posses as those whisk be sow to fr.
quire Ist°. but UM esmaittes was brought loss *hoop
by the dissolutirs. tie eight hewer-
sat gsulimitationditms the Chliassiler of the 1868
Zzeheivat obtaisid a
crewel of ths tors, awl he that Muted to • mire% to Mirk
they
treeezpirt*Mfamemeguirlima the
vat.=
ta
wins they engin lorririew Ude tox, awl en
mould be dose to pat tt spas a boftg d equalitroe=
mg slams of the smosity, he he On* kellired that with
tin wrest inmost ism they slid ast abolith It *hi-
grim, maralip if the home willed to re the policy et
the late Er li. Pod tally our est. Th• Prettiest rof the
Bold et Truk bad on • kmas creasha spokes is favour of
web Mir, sad he midi sot dewy that sow wee the tires to
miser the operalkss Of the les, sad to see whether they
mid sot get Ad ef Ma irsqls. It 'relit be the
intuition
of the gammas to ask the house to re-
Ode tax la • bated period ; but if that ware ea,
is Ideephdisseald be wore than Um rap...rico,
the id .11s usupla. Tassevessmat itepred ae tax
he a of Hon ass Mg hopettbat it wouldbe aloud
te lapse et the YNiMei i tut wino dist tree ones it wet
again imposed. He alsterely impel that the seminar
would sh
ot boldly, ineelligestly, old decisively is tegord to
this ten. If the gewammt droll bo of opinles list the
mom high &she ea silks les. and ir, Amid bowies*
On should rate it le the burs bat mid be se bic
held out et redwing these duties without sods
tams tax. Ha wee well am, list the estreillsimPue"=
Mt is 1863 ears to so vet 7 sarfikatterrestittbal Hist
sat be wirier& at, whoa it wee membasod illideglo•
sent wee abruptly laminated by • dieesillso. all
bow that this tax operated meet trimly
sisal vparlegeolse-
saes. who, if they vete roma
asd
d set regar shah teems, as It
copite.l. TM* meown remits Vida miltubee drains
lame doseheir. at atria( this moles lib INSielj
he odleensties at the reform bill was at brad, eisl whatever
mil I sight rest with is that boom, tht thos ma sot fai
drama whoa the pest bulk of the pope arise would have to
bredielled to mato control our public agars. T 63 home
right rkgesd that that time wee sot far distant, sod they
shrill sow got thuds books into the best order possible, sad
thew the people that they had sot litkjoyect a monop 4
PliviT or lediallaild merely Si, ark own benefit. Ho be.
seves'that mashies would teed roes to strengthen the spirit of
assorvative reforms that looklag this question of income tax
boldly in the fares—(hear, beer)—and therefore be earnestly
estrastad them, if they were desirous of not Betting clams
against dem, ead If were saakme to remove burden(
from the backs of themepeople, to give his their support on this
crossion.

The CHANCHLLOR of the RICHRQUER said the
hoe. member had mixed up in hie speech on this question
ceadderatiens which were essentially distinct, and he bad
airy freeklynad gmeroualy stated his opinim to be, that the
income tam shoed become a pertain of the permenent demons
of the wintry. Bat while he stated that, he inked for an
inquiry as to whether it would not be pourable to adopt some
mode elf asesesbg this Om se that the complaints might be
°Wand. The bow meld hardly have tailed to see that
very Important quedient would nest week have to be dim-
amend, and this mit amid have then to be considered se
pert at the Semen of the per. The law would expire on
the AK limb sent, sad the has. gentleman would appear to
prejudge einipther this quondam, which the bows ought to
be left eit Mem a. mserhei He (the Chancellor of the Hz-
abloom) 'homed it would not be demanding too much to ask
the house to say that it would be Inoomeninst at that mo-
ment to cams so a decision up= this afireed. It was cue of
vast Importance, and masoirmed with other quantities else of
great importance, for which a doe bad bean appelnemil to
consider. If the lamina tax were to be renewtd, mad if the
general feeling of Whom* ahead be in favour of the inquiry,
there would be no greet difficulty in granting it, but the go-
vernment could not weeds to the notion at mama. Under
the cireculatantes, be hoped the hob. gentleman would with-
draw hie motions. (Hen, hear.)
Mr. POLLARD-URQUHART said, with the leave of
the house he good withdraw the motion.;
trto.
iedBEVERLEY ELECTION or APRIL, 1859.
Mr. COBBRTT thou rose to Move; In' pursuance of the
resonunendation of die edict incompaire appointed to try the
several petition, sublet the return of the borough of Bever-
ley, that her Maisel% Attorney-General be ordered by the
house to venoms Denial. Boyce and Robert Taylor for
bribery committed by them at the last election for the
borough of Beverley. The hon.. fad learnel gentleman
said that as he woe the chairdia 'id the Beverley
election committee, he considered himself the mouth-
piece of that committee in moving that the recommend's-
ties of that committee should be carried into eflect,
sad he did se with the full coscarranoe of the members of the
committee.

Mr.ISIOBY SEYMOUR moved u an amendment—
" That, without at all impugning the judgment of the
Beverley Election Committee, this hones* of opinion that
the Inquiries before committees of this house, and under
the recent commissions whit* he.. sat in veriou Ouse,
having dearly demonstrated theCantrar Wow of 0400
social rank have been involved la graver criminality. it
would not be expedient to limit the direction to her Ma-
jesty's Attorney-Gomel to the prosecution of Daniel Boyes
and Robert Taylor for bribery committed by them at the
last Beverley election." Ills objection was, he said, to
limiting the inquiry to the cuss of these two persons. He
did not stand there as their apologist, but he contended that
they should not stand in the pillory elope, being convinced that
Lf they did, the arionestion of the committee would be re-
versed by the sequinsl of the country.
Mr. POLLARD-URQU HART seconded the amendment,
Mr. SELWYN, wails doubting whether committees of
the bones were the best tribunals for trying election petitions,
thought that eo long as they existed the house should pay
attention to their recommendations. In the present ass the
ecesmittes awed on their judgment of the fitness of reoom-
minding the persons implicated in the bribery at Beverley.
Mr. COLE se supported the motion, arguing that a
proper sdeneinration of the law would be • valuable auxi-
lOU use to the ballot in putting down bribery.
Sir G. C. LEWIS thought that without taking a wider
course, which might or might not be necessary, the duty of
the hues was plant in the ease before them, and they should
secede to the motion, and direct the prosecution.
The amendment was withdrawn, and the modes
agreed to.
CHURCH RATES

Yr. HUBBARD moved for leave to bring in • till to
alter and amend the laws relating to church rates. In the
memme which he proposed he avoided extremes
on either side; though so far as he was concerned it was
not a compromise, for while it sought to enact nothing
which he did not think was required by justice, It re-
tained malign that be thought could be lawfully
eyes up. In the first piece he proposed that those who
did not conform to the tertian of the church, end
objected*, pay Me (which two things were not always
synonymous), might give notion that they ware &drone of
ant contributing, sad they would then be excused. All hos-
tile element. being thus eliminated from the awry the
ram would be made is due course ; but he proposed that the
church „vestry thread sot transact any business that was
unconnected with the disbursement of the rate It had made.
Re proposed also to exempt district parishes and ohapehies
from their present obligations to cor.tribute to the mother
church; and to abolish the jurisdiction of the ecclesiastical
courts in enforcing church rates, the mode of collecting
which he would assimilate to the oollection of the
poor-rats. These were the chief features of • measure
slictited by two feelings which he contended were t.erfectly
oompaghle—a front recognition of the principle. of civO
and religious liberty, sad ■ warm feeling of loyalty to the
church of England. (Hear, hear).
Leave was Mem.

ANCHORS (MERCHANT SERVICE).
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE rose to move for a eelect oom-
mfttee to inquire into the manufacture of anchor. and chain
°obi,* for the emrebant service. He contended that as guns
and boilers were tested, so they ought to prove cables. The
same argument would apply to anchors.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that although the motion of the
hoe. member was en unusual one as applying to private
vessels, still he thought, from the grommet,' he had made,
that so much useful information would be brought out by •
committee, that he could not see any oblection to the pro.
petal But he would take that opportunity of saying that,
as to levesting some government depart to. nt with the power
of eating the strength of cables on board merchant .Yaps, it
would be a very d. übtful policy. The Board of Trade was
already charged with undue iatcrference—with nursing the
shipowners end unnecessarily protecting the public, instead
of leaving to the shipowners themselves and the public the
oars of their own interred,. If shipowners would buy infe-
rior calla', no tat that you could give them would be
adopted. The Admiralty charts were not even now untver
sally need, and to the use of an inferior chart on board the
Great Britain, he bad beard the lose of that vessel in Dun-
dram Bay attributed. A mars on this subject bed beat
already moved for by the hon. member for West Norfolk,
which Its thought might be advanteg.amely laid before the
committee. He would not however detain the hon.., but
.imply confine himself to saying be would not offer any
opporitfon to the motion.
save for a committee wee then given.
SPIRITS (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT.
Mr. SCULLY obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend
the Spirits (Ireland) Act the 17an4 18 Vie.. o. 89.
NEWSPAPERS, it., BILL.
On the mottos of Mr. Armen, Ws till was read • wend
time and ordered to be committed,.