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carry through parliament any eonaprettensive wan» es
the subject cf education ; and indeed, when he brouet
forward his plan last year he did not presume to hope to
carry It ioto operation, bat his object rather was to lay
down broad principles of adios), and to teeth, the attention
of the house and the country to thou principles. He might
be allowed to say that he hid been rewarded by the hr pi he
entertained that he had been in any degree
iessrumental in the attainment of what be consi-
dered the great ohjeat— the establishmeat of a
responsible department for attendee In this country. He
hoped be heti also been invrantental in sew degree in ea
object to whisk he attached great importation, namely. that
of separating this great question from the beWrory of party
questions. He hoped and treated they bad arrived et
moment when those who thought *like on this subject
might act together, without staying to c 'adder whether
they sat in one quarter of the how or another. He was the
less diseased to eater at great leach late what the noble
lord said, because, on the whole, he had expressed opinions
similar to thou he himself espeemeed last year. He was
nlad to find from what the noble lord said that there was
so large a portion of schools receiving greats from the Privy
Council ; the noble lord raid there Wen 5,000 of these
schools, gad taking 46,51.10 eta Mu total number of school.,
that would be oat-ninth of the whole. With regard to
education being free, he thought that a great deal might be
said on both sides. Taking the resolutions altogether,
they deserved the most serious, and he should give them
tie most favourable consideration; it would be his desire
to give them as much support as he could. With regard
to that portion of the subject which referred to "Ovum'
education, thine were • la* who preferred secular education,
but this was a matter ia which they were bound to
recollect not so much what had been the individual pre.
fereuce of this or that friend of education as what warn really
practical in the present state co, the feeling of this country,
and when the hon, and leaned gutless= (Mr. Roebuck)
advanced the opinion that as a country advanced in civilisa-
tion its moral cods improved, he thought he advanced a pro-
position which, if they recoil. cted the Modulate el Chris-
tianity, would be difficult to establish. He thought fa that
part of the honourable and hearted gentleman's speech he
was losing slim of what was the great object of the
no.h lord, and of all who from time to time adv.-
eatel tall great question—namely, that they had to
consider the elemestary instruction of die humblest
claw of the community, and he believed that the
peevailing opinion—he knew there were exceptions to it,
bat the feeling of the vast majority f the people et this
country wu that, looking to the class with which they had to
deal, what welfare they had to consider, and to the mew
of geltgione instruction which that elan pommel irreapec-
tire of the edleation they might receive, he believed the
Melina of the people to be, thet any system of education
would be imp. rfeet that did tot math those children their
duty to God as well as their duty to mar. He believed that
to be so 'moos a feeling, that it would be a most unwise and
Improchat course on the part of any statesman of
this country to ran counter to it by swimmer-
leg to establish what was called secular advectien.
He thereto,, quits *greed with the noble lord la the ge-
neral pr:eciple, but whether he agreed with him in the
node of carrying it oat he was rot surer. The noble lord
drew • distiuctios between the *yaw of religious .doe_
Hon in the whoa,. of Switserlsna and is the Uaited States.
The noble lord mid, quite correctly, that is the cantons of
Switserland, whether catholic or weeniest, the relief on of
the mate was taught in the reboot, and fall religious liberty
was allowed. In the IJoitad State, the swim system was
ad, pted, laud, he thought, in the wont SlSila4r. the noble
lord rejected the system of the United States, but
he did not adept the system et Beritterlend.
The erten cf Switzerland was precisely thesystem which
he (Sir J. Pekington) suggested last year as the best
solution o the eidiculty, and let him remind the noble Iced
that it had been tried I. other countries in Europe, and had
been largely tried in this country, end always with seems.
The noble lord suggested that the B.ble should be read, but
that no other religious testruction should be gives.
Lord J. RUSSELL—No, I amid saoh other religious in-
structive as the school committee should direct.
Sir J. PARINGTON said that observation took away his
objection to that part of the plea. There was another part
of tV e plan to which he wished to allude—the compulsory
attendance of the children. The noble lord seemed to
despair of the poosibility of reaching thole children who
were neither at work nor at school. This portion of the
elite aronto4l to him to he nrecticelle Desert and
coesatent with their legislation with regard to children
emptnyed in factories. It would be impostible to tarry out
a system of education without resorting in low way or
other to Dempster r e atteedee co.
Mr. M. GIBSON said he should be glad to give
his supp at to ;any part of the noble lord's scheme
which appeared to be founded upon a sound principle, but
be could not open's of any scheme of carrying on dencml-
national schools by mesas of rates and mese. Such a plan
would tarn every p trial in the country into a hot-bed of
religious eontroversr. Certainly he. for one. if he belonged
to the protestant minority in a locality where ROOM
lies were predominant, should feel aggrieved if hews+ ealled
upon to support echo, is of which he sould make no nut.
(Hear, bear.) A much belt*? part would be to 'operate
religious teaching entirely from secular, sod to give the
latter only is the day school, leaving the former to be sup-
plemented by lamentation in the Sunday school and et horse.
Seth a plan was timely at work la Manchester with emi-
nent success. There was in that city a free secular school,
carried on by private subecciption, at which 642 boys were
in the daily receipt of literary instruction. • reach larger
number would, no doubt, be admitted if the fands would
allow, for the applications constantly saceeded the number
of childrea that could be accommodated. Of thom

F. 2 1,74 - - - :- -
e ran Thera were only who T sot receive religi-
ous instruction ; for, from a return which he held in his
band, he found that they all, with the ezeeption of 61, wore
likewise attendants at Sunday echtolr. The truth was, that
by belonging to samba day schools their astatine b. cams
known to the ceadactors of Banday schools ; and the pro-
bability was that, if they did nut go to the one they would
sot go to the other. (lieu, tear.) I. Mumchn the
same outs of thiogs was found to prevail—swirly all the
children who attended the common day schools twolonged
ales to Banday sot° 01.. The truth wee, that as religious
and *sealer instruction could not be given at the same
moment, end at, even in religious rehcols, diff, rent
hours must be stl.c'ed for the different lesions, there could
be no difficulty Ia at paritieg them altoyethvr. He trusted,
therefore, • hat the noble 1 ad would not insist aro% that
part of his scheme which related to re lig,one teaching in
schools sapporteot out of roil crates. (Hear.)
Mr. MIALL was likewite of opleion that In retools sor-
ported by public rates or tales the education should be
owalez.
air 8. NOILTHCOTI and Mr. BAIIINZS remarked upon
parts of the proposed scheme.
Mr. BIGGS dwelt upon the greet want of education In
the aantry, and upon the amenity of some national syt-
tem whereby every child would be ware of en education.
After mace tans rest ono by Mr. A bcoci,
Lord PALMERSTON—Iaid I es sure, air, the house tat
been inset petaled by the sp•tc`t of my noble friend be-
hind me—(L oil J. Hamel )—a speech which did credit to
the views wh'co he kas eo long entertaieed on this subject.
Nobody—from his high po alms and the great diligence and
lees 'Motion which tie his given to this important
matter -- Is more commoot than my noble hived to
submit to parliament views so deserving your
sedom eonsideresior, I think thot the course whirl,
my WOO Mead Ms edt p'on te primps the Otos which he
c add lam panned, natter the circumstances, upon this at-
cuion, vie., to submit resolutions, but t o abstain for the
present from sailing up .n the house to gamete Its opinit n
upon the subject. I tniok, sir, tint I can aware my toile
friend, on the pelt of the hoes*, that these resolattor s will
receive the utmost attention from eel rybody who takes the
slightest interest is the subject, and 1 trust that at some
fatuce time we may be embhd to soma to some decision
upon if. It is as old nyiog that those who will command
must also will the mean., but that saying le s:pnally misap-
plied to the present subject. I believe there is semen ia the
home, there con bar ly been) mum in the country, who does
not coladde with my noble friend in his views se to the great
o advantage and importance of 'deeming education moon
the lower classes of the c minsunity. Bat unfortunately,
from ratios. circemeinnees into which it is needles* to
enter, the means of Discos plishing that end is the rock upon
which all who have give., their attention to this subject
have split. I trust that the attempt a my noble friend
will be attended with batter saccem. Indeed, although
there have been 'sprawled by those who I nee taken part in
this dlesemion a great variety of opinions, I should hope
that we may yet come to some understanding, and hit upon
some method of at lout advancing the great eases in which
we all take so great sad deep an interest. Sir, it Ism bees
said that the lower clues, do nit euNcendy value the int-
palmate of educatloa. That may to a °Maio degree
be true, bat on the other baud I think that the
observation which have been made by some boo. members
who have taken part in this debate sufficiently orphan the
(sets apes which that opinion rests, without charging the
tower alarm with any went of pereeption of the Dentate
whittle education would c safer. Uafortmately, the educa-
tion whisk has been frequently given has not been the
education which woald t e of use in after life to the childrea
to whom It wee even. I. some cum, the educarion to too
little ; it Is an 'deistical which teaches by rote some few
dotage whleh ere totally iestpreeble to the station in which,
in after life. the taught will be pissed. Oa the other
bead, attempts had sometimes been made to teach
too much. For inwasee, politioal eemomy has been
: undertaken. (A Much) This is a 'skate, no doubt, of
pest nes to them who may be called open to apply its prin.
Moles. bat whisk to the labouring class is certainly a matter
for beyond the malt sad mope of their future labours. The
great point ought to be to teach useful thing*, applicable to
the breach of indsetry in which tbooe whir are taught may •
he ergaged. No doubt a difference of view ezista, and we
ham In this hew hoard new statistic., on the one side
Nei the Ohm, ae to the mewl and alienator of the Intel-

11s:duals:a religiose culture which ought toles added. NO
reasonable man can doubt that unless you add ti intellec-
tual moral and religious niters you do not accomplish the
carp owe of education. Undoubtedly that last head— religious
sui:!are—is a difficulty which has Who r:o impeded the efforts
which have bun made to scoomplah somettiog in this Crest
asset. I should hope that means may be found of putting
an end to Ma: dillculty. The scheme of my roble friend,
though not founded on the larger views which some gestle-
mita have taken, does, u far ae ens con judge from
the cursory way in which it his been es yet explained,
appear te los one which may at leant lead us towards the
end in view. I shall now only agala say tut the house
meat feel deeply indebted to my noble frond, not only for
the manner in which this *using be has expressed his
opiates, but for the long course of laborious attention whittle
he has given to this important InNeer, and if he should
hsppes at last to accomplish the purpose to which for so
many years he has devoted his attentito, I am Bare the
setisfactioa which he will defies from that to-. 1 will only he
coatmeneerate with the advantage which he lath secure to
the country. (Hear' hear.)
Mr. HADFIELD impressed his belief that the scheme
which bad been preeounded by the noble lord would none
be satisfactory to the house or the country.
lb. STAFFORD complained of a fallacy in the educa-
tional stabilise, py which rural districts, such that which
he represented, kid no credit for the sums spent in the
education of the poor in connexion with the count'. His
should. for his own satisfaction, endeavour to r.ciify the
statistics in this particular.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply, °ironed his thanks to the
house for the reception given to his measure. Of Course, he
did sot expect that those who t pposel all rates for educa-
tional purpose. would give him their support. With respect
to purely tastier education he did n.,t believe that a bill
with that object world meet with the spproval of the house.
ABU) the schools under the volmatary sy.tenz, which the
hon. member for Sheffield eulogised so hiely, all be (Lord
J. Russell) could say was that he highly approved of them,
and did not propose to interfere with their arrangements.
Bet, as regarded day schools, it should be recollected that.
the voluntary system had had a trial for 150 years, and bad
sot succeeded so well as the contrary system bad succeeded
in Scotland. With regard to the obeervation of the right
hen member for Oxford he would remind that gentleman
that, although political economy wee a big word, still when
it taught that the high pries of bread was tot 'Leery, to be
attributed to the baker, and when it showed how injurious
were strikes 'moose* the working damsel, it was a
science which had some value even is the education
of a labourer. In his opinion lesson. tf that kind were
quite as useful as lemons. in geography. An honourable
bareeet on the opposite side of the house railed an im poetess
trusties, as to the large chases called the city Arabs, who
swarmed in large towns, and had no means of edocaties.
The question was well worthy of consideration, but it ust
not simply a question et educatieo. There sere perhaps in
London 30.000 of these pot r orphans, and oth-re who had
been duetted by their parents, and the qitesCoo would
arise, bow were they to be maintained as *ea u educated.
It would than become a poor. sew question, and one of very
formidable dimensions. He did not say it was
impossib.• thst parliament it mild deal with it,
he only said that it was cot merely a question
of e lumber. Ile would only say further with respect to
hi, proposal, that in his opinion the better way to discuss It
would be in committee of the whole Louse, and if that should
be the opinion of the house, he should protote that the day
already find, the 10th April, should be ri tetrad, but that,
the present resolution being withdr.wo, ar.,tntri should be
eubetiteted, providing that on the 10th of Al r.l, the
hones should resolve itself into committee of the whole
house to consseer the ;resent state of education in England
and Wales. He elsou:d likewise I repose tn.t day
mum of the day lieu r recedesee of is Vete of motion.
Sir J. PAKINOTON asked whim the noble lord's testi-
lutious would be laid on the table ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that they were in the Speaker's
hangs,
's and would be printed immediately.
The motion as altered wee then agreed to.
OXFORD STATUTES.

Mr. HEYWOOD wee to move an address to bar Majesty,
praying that she will be graciously pleased to withhold her
approbetioa from the regulations and ceder awes rc-
eactly sanctioned by the Ozfrad Commits:onere, and laid
before parliameot, for the amendment of the 'finites of
Beam, Lincoln, and Corpus Christi Colleges, in the Univer-
sity of Ostend, such regulations and nr.inanres hi leg is
sway points inconsistent with the spirit of the Oe feed Cal-
versira Act of 1854, which was intended to in grow the
discipline and studies end the gaol g)vernment of the col-
leges st Oxford, to aeon that hesdenipe, fellowships, and
other wilese emoluments should he conferred according
to personal merits and fitness, and to rern^ve m apoleory
religious tests from the commencement and termination
of the undergraduate career at Oaford. Ifs said that
in bringing forward this motion he must acknow-
kegs the sr al and ability wh.eh bad been d'splayed
by the come:dollen'''. The principal point which hod in-
duced him to move the address was the wanted ',totality is
the statutes themselves, especial', in the cases of Corpus
Christi and Esther Colleges. Two yr ars ago thew two ce 1-
leges expressed a wish that the restrictions which compelled
fellows to holy orders should be removed, end yet in the
sew statutes the restriction was observed. He admitted
that this restriction was in awordenee with the intention of
Bishop Toe, the founder of Corp.. Christi ; but three ia-
tootioas were published a few yew before the Reformation,
when as a mews of resisting that movement, it was
orrposed to make the college as toe...filmiest as possi-
ble. H. feared that the tendency in the college was
to go ha:kwards instead of forwards, nod to dis-
courage prettieslly ell modern improvement. (Hear.)
The old restrictions were all npeated—compulsory resi-
dence, holy orders, celibacy, and poverty. 7hco, with re-
gard to tests, it was provided that no person should be
eligible to a scholarship, unless be was a member either of
the Church of England, cr of some church in union
with it. The latter Orem bad ref. fence, be presumed, to
the Egiscop,l Church of Scotland; bet be saw no reason
wry B,oman Catholics should not hive the benefit of it.
The legislature having decided that the test should be abc-
lished se regarded the commencement of the under gra-
duates career, it was very hard that he should be deprived
of the benefit of the small endowments at tho middle of it
In his opinion, these endowments ought to he given strictly
for merit, sad the claim of poverty ought not to be
admitted. At all three of [new c Aegis the vi-
sitor was to be a bishop; and, considerirg the
very delicate position of ecclesiastical matters at insect, it
would be very much borer if the visitor were a layman, and
perhaps the most suitatle person far the office was the Pre-
sident of the Council. This question was one of very great
ingratiate to the walry—it affi wed a large body of her
Majesty's estejsats, both clergy and laity ; and he thought
the beet way en which he could meet the case was by moving
an address to her Majesty.
Sir J. PAK 11.1131 UN concurred in thinking some of the
regulations in question el jetties, ble, but moved a verbal
amendment to the resolution by which its impost was to a
considerable est,at modified.

Bir 0. GREY submitted that the ado' fel of the rero•
!Idiom in tuner i hips would be Weeded with much incon-
venience), and staved that the &etre% under di.cussioes
would be referred to the Privy Council for examination and
oorrection.
Sir W. Heatheote, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Healey, Hr. Cardwell, and ether a.emb, el continued the
legesension, sod both motion and amendment were ulti-
MOM; withdta
Mr. BLACKBURN moved fi r leave to bring in • hill to
attend the provis'onsuf the Rainey and Canal Trees Act
eff 11154, which eta. granted, sad the bill vat br•ught in.
Mr. OROGAN obtained Worse showing the number of
ropes relieved during 1854 and 1655, in fifty use Orions
ellierred to is a pm of last session, and slut the anions La
Mbleth the number of paupers eel eyed during these years
W sot mounted to one tboueend.
The hones then per needed to the orders o' the day.
JUDOMENtS EXECUTION RILL.
Oa the order for the so c.ind medial; of *ha toll,
Col :gel bows sod Mr. VANCI urged ttat it should
pestporcd until after Ewer.
Mr. CRAUFURD said he cooly wished the bill to be read
a second time and &omitted pro firma, so that come
ameadmente might be introduced into it which hat beta
suggested by tLe boo. and I d usecetir for East Suffolk.
He would then IA strop* it until a tete day, the end of April
or the beginning of May, In the bops that the sill ro'ght be
put Is such a (urn es to meet the approval of all p .r:ies.
After a few word. from Mr. WHITSII/11, the second read-
ing Wu pootpoued till the 31st of Marsh.
OUT-PRNSIONERS (ORFENWICH AND
CHESEA) BILL.
This bill passed through committee, and was retorted to
the house, witboststeeedeneots.

CONSOLIDATED FUND.
The Consolidated Fund (28,600,000!) Bi2l also passed
through committee, was reported, and ordered to he teed •
third tame this day.
CHURCH RATES.

oti the motion 01,;17.PACIii,Titiiorder fatbee tennd
r•edieu able Church Betel bill was pntroti:d till the 21st
of May.
Tee hew* eijoused at 20 minutes past 1.

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'days elates Saturday. Mush I.—Nuaber admiral, in-
shale/ 1111140011 tiara Bolden, 12,629 i amount nvived for
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227; taut, LIMO.
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Hardin-so Chamber of Deputies on t►e 28th ult., the hi finis•
ter of Pablic Woke I remitted a bi'l demanding the at.pre•
Intim of the Chamber to a convention with the Victor.
Emmanuel Itermsy Coospoty, for the raters en of the
lieu of Savoy sal their sides with the Preach lines.

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