The Express.
London, England, 1860-06-01 00:00:00

THE YEOMANRY CORPS.

On the motion fur r eezinto committee of supply,
Ifsior EDWABIIB wie6ed to ask the of Mate
foe N ..r whether any correspondence had between
the War-Ace and the Treasury, or any department
of the government, respecting the minion from the army
eettmites .f the usual vote for the annual training of
the y,onninry cavalry and, if so, whether he had any objec-
tion t, produce such correspondence.

THE: GUARDS AM) KEW M ENTS OF THE LINE.
Sir J. TRELAWNY called attention to the effect of
sele‘tion of hmassantcolonels of regiment' upon the re.
posita—ose of the Guards and Luis in cases of exchange;
and woied whether the pads of salaried full colonel* might
not le steadied (es toprded the future) without died.
ventage, and se se beefed a ocessidemble easing ; whether
eider-de-canip w anhjegled to adequate eternisation* in
• certain foreigs eerriee),, sad whether=lwd regimental
pay when sots ogisonia itaise; there was any
pond for a allmesee between Oahe end Lim as to the
necessity of mean aim gab; es holf-pay before they
mead goys thesiell ; and whethord wee *se that any Oneida'
ernes had se meek se sight seesaw' ham for the year.
The hot hanwet peeeewled to lay. the Secretary for War
lied said that se reilmegi ought to he sent into action
ualese it was cemormaled by a lieutesaakoloneL What
he wished to know wee, what would be the effect al such an
wrangler's* if awned oat is the bonnie:old troops ? H
Inbreed that ia of expeediture m the Guards, se
inch awry esY be saved se would give her Majesty a
sew fall mimed at the line. He complained also that in
the Gouda en Gam Goad get] eight months' leave of
tissues is tie year.
Geoseal PEEL &obi that the army estimates were ra-
ttan/ma He thought k would be very advantageom if it
were possible to fix some perweaeat peace eetabliehowst,
and thus avoid sudden aed frequent variatious in those
estineit,.. The pernanent peace establishment which he
mount should be sufficient to do all garrison duty at home
sad in the colonies, and leave besides a sufficient force at
home to protect the country from any attacks that could
possibly be made upon it.

THE LAND

CORPS.

Mr. JOHN LOCKE celled the attention of the house to
the claims of the artificer. of the Lend Transport Corps
anrotoil during the Crimean war, arising out of
the non.fullibeent of the oonditioes under which
they were enlisted, ■nd asked the Secretary
for War whether it WWI the intention of the
government to satisfy their claims, or to cause an inquiry
so le made respecting them.
Mr. Alderman SALOMON'S said these men had not hail
their fair hire awarded to them, and be was one of those
who believed that every rasa was vrarthy of his hire.
l;olon.•l NORTH said Ise had served (or SOWS month, on
the committee which ►ad to inquire int* the claims of the
olffimr. of this corps, and be believed the esnarniteas recom-
mended a course which resulted in complete Nation being
done. He thought the position of these men should be
inquired into, and the remit might be equally satisfactory.
He therefore hoped the government would take their case
into ooneideration, in order that justice might be dorm to
them. (Hear.)
THE YEOMANRY CAVALRY.

Mr. DEEDES said be wished to draw the attention of the
rigid boa yeediesse t►e Seeratary for War to the poritiou
in which the yeeinsary asps had bees placed. If the
IMMO taken by she goverment was istitaded to show a
Ikea cisme it itbriaid be thoroullily
far they was entitled to have ► definite mower,
eeEht sot to be kept is doubt ►e to what course the
grevraateat really asst to pursue towards them.
TEI ARMT PROMOTION WARRANT OF (XTOBFJA,

Colonel LINDSAY run to call the attention of the been
lathe welly nfen warrant of October, 1854, with ramped
to the poilis of Gonna general oils= who socepted pro-
otion ca beNpay le accordance with the tam of the
general order d the Ma day of April, UAL mad who
were DOW reenvlng may the half-pay d this know regi-
mental commence..

yr. CH I.l)EN.`i celled attention to the mode in which
cabala] military expenditure was set down in the eetimatea.
To his knowledge the ookey al VideriS had voted 200,0001.
for its military expeodinart, and all it was credited foe in
the estimates wee a sum of 5,0001. as thought that the
metimatee might he prepared in • mum akar sad explanatory
amber.

aii&LinJERVIM complained of the poitioe of ad:snot
the lumina who, hav,a6 obtaised their measnimaioos
emapetitive *Limitation. found that 41 their labours led to
seats&
MILITARY RIGHTS OF FISHERY.

Mr. CONOLLY brought before the house the suNeet of
otiose to certain rights of ti,hery in Ireland put forwat,l by
the alone of engineers upon moods which, he coutetalotl,
yarn • masticn of private nglita.

THE APPOINTMENT 0P GENERAL GREY.

&r DE L. EVANS wee' attentive to the rocset ap-
pointment of Oenewil the Hoc. C. Grey to the eolueelcy of
a regiment, urging that it wee ttut comistent with the
implie.l rule that these appotattnenta should be gives
se the just reward of Wag sad ineritorina serricee.
7T.•re were at lent 14 general odcen senior to Geoer•l
Ore., who had see• • great deal a( hard sen:ce ; while
mono who were ►i. Onion in that reek Lad recently dis-
tinguished themselves in soeunaoila on minim. The hoc.
sad gallant geetleeme went at some length into • general
result-tent ..f our military affairs, Magas his op;isioci that the
semen. al strength of our army u halm was not sufficient,
while to cling...WM was anything but sattsfactory.
DEFENCE:4 OF THE OOLONIEIS.

Iff r. ADDER LEY rolled attention is
ti;report of the
ammo tee on the military defecates of the ealsobs,iaqviriag
whether the government intended to set apes that repot
Br MAW what the committee had hid down --mbely,
that the colonies of kbgbad costs :bated to their debase
about uta•-Mats of lb. met ; the remedy imeggoited by
th,o, moil the objection of cos toember of be ommittee,
pNiiting out whet he earialend the fallow of these ebbe.
Loos.
Lord It (TAIL differed free be views of Mr. may;
N. th.el4bt the ossunittee had maw& Li their inalesetices,
awl be Argued apiset their seasiabsta
Mr. I!. FOKTK•ertIE agreed is abseil all that bad fallen
from Lonl IL Cowl, sal express il his regret that Mr.
Aillerley should have brought forward this important
geodes. so isopportimely. He reminded the bow.. that
Moire were in fait two disoordiat reports, upon which he
made some canary oberratises, dsci:eirty to follow Mr.
Adderley into the details .4 the quettion, which, Le oh-
Nerved, VMS very large and complicated OWL Ow the Inert
44 the gernanweit, he said. the Secte.ary of State
for the tlekini v. world me his lost eadeavoure to
'where the impel-Id military expenditure in the colonies.
awl to netnews(' that prowl* of self Meows which we:
Do oriong active iei soso. of them ; but he would not under
tete the response-they daaeryup out the rigid and uniform
scheme revommendeal in ose at tin reports.
Mr '. MILL* sieggosted that this very dillScalt qutatioo
was a tit use tor Super, by a select oisinsittee of th-A
house.
tieneral I. ['TON *lkea whether it was the higention of
the governsient to weo-oniciel • revision of thu warrant of
let. ... a. to nu., ote the rated of pen. lon of Nato nod.
wooed 0411,n awl o.l.liwn discharged from ths eery icw iu a
leiplew comfit...
Mr. W. WI 1.1.1 Allot e.tiopl.tor.l of the enormous amount
of this velar's army ...time..., and ..f this country ben:
taxed fitt the defence of Its colonies.
Weisel KNOX mined a distinct announcement of the
b.-we at the raddary authonhos osi the subject of the
sandbag mint, whim he said was escitieg a orb( hel-
l(/' le the saw.
Kee. NAPIER gave reasons for *mesa estimates for
boa obey sod nary. liaised of bib Iraq too large, be
bid they were me bops weigh.
After farther PAW km OM other triples - or particular
fir."Wilit ;MU tadtbith "vstite 'flu'rf "Z.' ",111.7,1;Y•mbrY
Mir. 111. HUM? NY that with regard to the question
of be harwaside Mir Is, Onowshire, he might
obis Mat the geeePoomot hod gins every attention to the
imbised a Ur mimes of fbe toultry, which was one of
bubswe and N bat they dal act think
It would he by iffe report of the comrsiosiosem
ry m,,,,..
aphs widow
hiliterseeeyaLeditto sta.te the rouse
es r., prepared be hoped to be able to lay it ca the
tabs seat With rapid to the lastiaa white had

been pit by tir help. menthie for Norfolk (N'. Bestial:4
be could rerun bit bra Mead that it bed oretaiely newer
rend into his bead le elms, that the Hoene of Osen-
mous would arra a amp IN% end vote it without re
es intuit se to the node is whisk it was to be
se swells gee imp swig were costa&
sae to paws • vete der • row um
spew the estistes„ to fells the seem et tbe eeremblee
spun the weemerwastime of the eowwbelesse sad
'pis the seem whit night be sigh& The
sewidrestios eft' Mr estimate would be
=MI the deb& send be fully ems (11:11,t1
life wee amok hoe egos the Mats
to know bese behes, sts Mhie rleakingeply to the mhos poetics,
which bad been sildramed is list. It wag* perbsps
_hew-
er , tw orsvesiisi the these in the elder im ebb& the
diarist iseewnie bed beards The boa sad
fir our lour (Major Edwards) taedi
raarpli ewirmai lour
ewe to ley upon the table
the =tOM best to place
edinel the yeeweiry far training =tie
peeve yew. New. the Neg of the yeomainw was
net as owlet wiliest proudest. Being him& a yeoman be
wee elobied to slate Mod spout two or three occasions within
ble reiellselles they bed sot be celled out. et the lame
Moe be tent be estremely sum if soy slap which the go-
einethawa Iwiltehusesder gosiprowsre Wiper shoaldlead
1. the elides tbst Mews wee soy dee* to undervalue
the weviess el the yesessery. He tbseght they were a
I met humbled ewea though et the eras time it might be
well te earlobe whether their repaimilien was aa perfect
it might be resdend. So goveseent attached great
value to the =ale m el the yummy, eel would be very
sorry to me them in soy seep diee=ll. present
year howeeirdsdi been peret menus with re-
! year bswe,.ru& bus.. p of pumiure with iv.
. midi he lel thought it ncht to mull
el my reeetwese at hod to Mat the increase IN-
' worry In profiles Is. the persouteut defence of the
seen_ try Meer bur.) no boa learonet behind him (Sir
J. Treirmey) had epee' s egg huge prelim. Feet al
al, the hr. hsressiteented bies wind *e difficulty Likely
to arise to reference te aeehssala from the Guards to the
Mee. He was aware that a[7sls years the Guards had
been very severely d. with by the different
warrants regulating pemestima, and pedlar there
teas no one more respell& for what bad occurred
thus himself. Before the euesents of 1864 mid 1868 the
(hard' had a step of hawses, risk la shame of their re-
gimental rank, and it was seepred to the pernment that
they occupied a parties dieproperMeeste to the number of
their officers. By the warmed el MN est was altogether
done away with. The sherellios had mile a very great
difference, and as hon. sad paha racer opposite had
written a very age parophlge epee the subject, complain.
log of the effect which hod hem produced. He (Mr. 8.
Herbert) was himself afraid that be might be considered to
have premed hardly upon the perdu, but he had simply
thefd what be felt to be a dets.l.lle must say that
statement which bad been e& his hon. friend the
member for Lambeth (Mr. 111- ), that the
duty of the Guards ecoribei in marching from
the Tower to Windsor, showed an entire forget-
fulness of the services which that distinguished corps
had rendered to the country. Whenever an impor-
tant service was to be undertaken requiring ability and
experience, the Goads were invariably resorted to, being
always in the highest state of efficiency and
(Hear, hear.) The on. baronet (Sir J. Trelawny) bad also
raised a portion whether or not aideadeounp were subject
to examination. His answer or that they were not
only subjected to an examination, but that it was an exami-
nation of some importance, such as existed in almost no
other country in the world. They were examined not
only upon military matters, but were expected to he ac.
quainted with different languages, while in Prussia, which
was the most examining country in the world,
and which attached the most iisaire importance
to the theoretic' sl tests, there was no examination
in reference to eides-de-camp at all. (Hear, hear.) A gal.
last officer opposite had called attention to the militia,
which he said was a very large force upon paper, but which
at the mine time he sad, with great justice, was an 'Mi-
=arm of the service that he did not see how it could
an
away with without great detriment to the public
service. Very recently all the paper men of the militia had
been struck off, and those only were included who formed
part of the effective force of the various regiments. It was
satisfactory to know that the number of men who had come
up for drill this year had been a large increase upon the
number which assembled lan year. He bad just sent out
a circular announcing that the Commander-in-Chief
bad rued moat stringent regulations to recruiting parties'
spinet any attempt to induce militiamen to enter the line.
His (Mr. S. Herbert's) opinion was that it was as absurd
to ask a militiamen to down in order to enlist into the
line as it was to ask • private to desert from one regiment
for the purpose of joining another. The evil which had
hitherto been experienced had arisen from the practice of
accepting men in the militia who but for the establishment
of that force would have [mind their way into the line. So
hr a direct Wary was inflicted upon the line, and the
militia was not strengthened, inasmuch as the men who
were enlisted could not he depended upon when they were
obtained. He thought the public committed a
great error in drawing a coolest ison between
the disembodied and embodied regiments. They
rid that twenty-eight days' tiering was not enough
to make an efficient soldier. Nobody contended that it was,
but if they wanted a reserve, which would not cost as much
as regular troop, but which with a little further training
and drill might be rendered efficient, the militia waathe most
valuable auxiliary they could provide, inasmuch ea the WI
days' Gaming and combined cheapness on one hand
mad a certain advance towards efficiency on the other. His
' hon. friend the member for Lambeth (Mr. Williams) as•
sorted that upon questions of this nature every man who
bad ever out upset the Treasury bench combined to support
the government. without reference to economy in the pub.
lie service. However much they differed in other
matters, his honourable friend said they combined
es this. But whet was the meson? Why, in all
other matters they were influenced by party motives,
while Is this but one feeling animated them, namely, the
paramount necessity of placing the country in possession of
a nucleus of defence, such as would at all times reader it
seenparatively secure. (Hear, hear.) A gallant officer
opposite (General Peel) said that the urns of relish had
been so much broken in upon that it could not be any
Joiner maintained. There was great truth in that remark,
but the system was comparatively modern. At one time
regiments passed immense periods abroad, and there were '
no regulations on the subject. When regulations
were adopted many disturbing care—such, for in-
stance, as the Indian wan, the Russian war, and
the Indian mutiny—prevented them from being earned out.
But the great reductions which were mule in the times of
Sir R. Peel were math, when the state of Europe was ex.
Inmate tranquil. No doubt it might he comidered still so ;
but we were now providing for the great reductions of our
military storm which were then imposed upon us. We had been
for ystruggling against arrean of artillery ammunition
and every end, which wars required for all parts
of the world. Let the hones not fall into such an error
again. (Hear, hear.) And when hon. gentlemen talked
of soonoory, he must my he ford great diffleulry in carrying
their proposals into effect. (Hear, hear.) The Secretary
of lttste for War found it extremely hard to
resist appeal, for increased remuneration for excellent
oaken who fancied themselves underpaid. It must be
remembered also that we had the molt expensive and
highly paid army in Europe, and when we increased the
remuneration of officers, their number must inevitably be
diminished. (Hew, hear.) He now came to the question
which had been put to him by the hon. gentleman Mr.
John Locke) about the lend Transport Coops; and he
certainly was in hopes that that question was ahroady
se-tled. This was •subject upon which a great deal of dis-
cussion bad taken place ;a committee had sat epos the sub-
ject and bad come to the Preclusion that the claim of these
pawns was sot founded upoo any agreement to width they
came before they entered the Queen's service. It appeared
they bad been espied for es. a day, and he (Mr. S. Her-
bert) really thought at first that that sum had not been paid
to them. It was not bud pay for men who were not Itlorra.
Well, it turned out that they had actually been in the
resipt of thee sum. Then it was said that they had been
di-elarged. But one of the ewers eonslitiona ~n which
they were retained was, "provided their services were not
required" This was a clear and pretty strong qpialitien.
Goo. Dot when the lion. member for Greenwich dis-
played a gigantic placard he (Mr. S. Herbert) felt
alarmed lest some recruiting zealot, regardless of
truth, bad been aneonneing that tree men were to
receive some three months' gratuity at the expiration
of their term of service. But not a bit of it ; the Pla-
card agreed perfectly with the a ment that had been
entered into, and he really thought there was not a sha-
dow of a ironed for this eoppose.l grievance. He ought
further to my that the hoard of Lord Pannier* bad ac-
tually beard the case of every one of them peers who
heir himself aggrieved and had disposed of he oar iris-
fa. verily. He now CAMP to the question which the pliant
onion opposite (thdrieel Lindsay) had bromeht forward
with reefer to the general order of 1/426, who had accepted
in.:roams' rank upon taking half-pay, the government having
thought it eriesesary at that tame to relieve the list ;
and be most rakes that after looking at the
term, of the order he thought the Treasury had
come to a right °occlusion. Ile thought that no man could
have COEDS to the conclusion that racers, who had been
promoted by step upon increased reek were to mein, not
only the advantages of half-pay, but also all the advan-
tages of full pay during that period. Two pan before this
procee•ling the rule was that six years' service as field
racers was necessary for general oaken who accepted pro•
rare. The pliant officer said be thought it •hardship
that these officers should be re half-pay for so many pers.
But it must be remembered that they sompted it. Noose
forted them to take it ; sod they sot s step in rank ; and
sines that they bad kept rising. The gallant oiler
said they did mot intend to marry. But surely that was
their misfortune. (Laughter.) There wait a osessitly for
the rule repirog six yews' service as field-olliaws, nerdy,
the Necessity of ham; experience. They realm' se
esmaption from this rule ; and therefore he mar fay,
although them might lie a doubt as to the words et the
ceder—although be should not have detected it himself
until It was parted out to bins—he thought the Treasury
had come to • right reclusion. With reprd to the
medical oaken, and the complaory rule which made it
necessary that they shoal/ retire at the age of fifty-five, he
thought the advantages most bs taken with the disad-
vantages. 18 gas them Mew rots. of heli-Pay, and
it secured a more rapid promotion. With reprd to the
question of the military expenditure of the adores, he
wished to expiate that with reseeit
_to mount of UN%
that of Vieteris • blank had beet left as to the sums which
they were sheet le pay into the milker, rehoper. Mese

maids. up the estimates, it was nessemery to law before-
hand what the colonies intended to die as reprded their
military expenditure ; and as the view of the colony were
often subject to chaff, it was nesessary in same eases to
leave the amount is Bank. He *ovate the colony would
take it ill, if it thole& ON ea aseretioa was left
to than ; although theAspleke view et possibly be
the mere ivied OM. An ti=llll to tae question of
7212A1m5% be certsialy gist there Irma a great
kat bad fans* from the hoe. and Whet member
which was tatremeclgelord ; but it nest be remembered
that like the melsears, were a
pecalisrarkilar, sad were eligible for • greet
variety of posts to which other attains were
mot admimihki. The difilealty of employing artillery
=loon the daft was no doubt very great. (Hear,
lew • corps without purchase, the alien in the
upper ranks were sea etc age. He believed the average
of age full generals was ty-four.
Mr. HUNT naidit ins seventy to eighty.
ado Mr. S. HERBERT add
egke found, ewe ecerultins his
,WS the o was soverity-eight. (Beer,
low) There wee eree et the sepe el seventpone,
sod three
.eqterniamemenies i the Itie of sixty. The

mane remark, of coarse, applied to the =glasses; With
raspiest to artillery officers. it should be remembered that
thew pay was very high ; one colonel was generally on leave
whilst another was in command. The pay was 265. • dsty.
whilst that of a colonel in the line was only 17s. They bed
also two colonels aed four lieutenant-colonels. Then they
bad, of course, the entire monopoly of the staff of their own
corps ; and he held in his band a list of upwards of forty
artillery officers who held other appointmenta. (Tbe right
bon. gentlemen her read erred- names from the list.)
However, he thought that the case of artillery clime in
comma/ad of • detect where there was • form of four er
five thouand men was worthy of consideration, and it was.
in fact, at that moment under consideration by the Owe-
inender-in-Chisf. With respect to the beecerside
member who asserted that the War-office bought bra
only to be fired upon, he begged to say that governs:wed
bought land as private individuals did, with the under.
standing that they were to have full control over it. He
sew men to the question of the hon. and gallant member
for Weekainater. The boa. and gallant officer had asked
Ides whether be was reepomble for the recent appointment
of Gessra/fGrey. He r. 8. Herbert) replied that he would
rather the hon. and gallant member should ask him the
question in the House of Commons when the awainthsed
had been publicly questioned. The hon. and pt cdPcer
had cosesseced by reeding an extract from the widows of
Lord Atom Semenet, who said that ooloneleies of reel-
simis wens given on three grounds. First, they were
gives to officers for war Nieces ' • secondly, for colonial
servise ; and thirdly, for commands efficiently filled at
home, The hoe and gallant officer added that he sup-
posed Clenetel Grey's appointment bad come under the last
thesresiLfferar.) Now he (Mr.
tHedtiert) begged to replyiid that
bead. IfieVseseisitniatetmented in the pablicp red ciinalt:tillat General
Grey had never seen any service out of Hyde-park. But
what were the facts ? He served in the 413 rd Begt., and
ewhis that time was twice in the colonies. He commanded
the 7114 in Canada for nine years, a portion of which seethe
the Canadian rebellion. General Grey went also
Tree of
top! in the expedition of 1826. Here were import-
ant services, both foreign and colonial. He denied, there-
fore, in toto, the assertion that General Grey had seen no
service except in Hyde-park. Besides, he had been passed
over several times ; and as to the officers whose services
had been quoted, no doubt they bad seen service,
but in many came ft wan as subaltern's, and they bad been on
half-pay ever since. They had not, in fact, remained in the
profession, whibtOeneralG rey bad been more than once passed
over for officers who had seen lees service than himself.
It was true that he (Mr. Herbert) had made the appoint-
ment as Secretary of State, bet it was made on the recom-
mendation of the Duke of Cambridge. The Duke of Cam-
bridge said bethought General Grey's services were such
that he could not be passed over any longer, and added,
that whilst nothing could be more wrong than to
an officer an appointment bemuse he had •
at court, on the other band nothing could be more unfair
than to refuels him one for that reason. He (Mr. Herbert)
then asked the Duke whether, if General Grey had been
General Smith, without a plaos at court, or not being
related tog noble family, he would have recom-
mended him ; and the answer was, that in that case
he weld have had his regiment long before. Well, then,
he (Mr. Herbert) said it would be a cowardly,
shabby act to have refused • man his fair turn of
promotion simply because he held • place at
court. See what would be the consequences of such a
rule. The Queen had surrounded her children with officers
of dietiactios. The Prince of Wales had Colonels Bruce
and newish", the latter the officer who had so • • ed
himself at Kara Prince Alfred bad Colonel Cowe and
Prince Arthur Major Elphinstone. If these officers were to
have a black mark set against their names for being at
court, they would be excluded from places where it was for
the interest of the country that the best men should be
placed. He believed that nothing could be more
unjust than such exclusion, and that it would
be • mean, shabby, and cowardly course to
refuse • man on account of his position at court that to
which under other circumstances he would have been
entitled. With respect to General leglas, it wee thought
a graceful With
give him the regiment with whose assistance
he had so pliantly defended Luoknow. He did not think
he bait any further observations to make, and he traded
that the house would allow him to take the first vote with-
out discussion.

Mr. DISRAELI said the hon. and gallant member for
Westminster had raked a question rimuchgreater importance
than that which was involved in the ppeeoommootttso.on of an Indivi-
dual. The right hon. ;Innen er= ' hid mood
dent newer to the c with respect to General Grey, but
the (Landon should not argued on mere personal grounds.
He (Mr. Disraeli) had no particular reason to be prejudiced
in favour of General Grey, as his early political recollections
pointed to three cuotested elections, in all of which he bad
been defeated by that gallant officer. (A laugh.) Had the
gallant general achieved three equal victories in war he
supposed that his recent appointment would
. not have
been questioned. But on the general quantum, were they
to lay it down as • rule that bemuse as .oar held an
appointment at court he was to be looked upon as • soldier
who bad forfeited hie promotion. It had been for centuries
the custom of this country to form the royal house-
' hold to • considerable extent of meinben of
the military profession, and were they to make
the officers selected the victims of the custom'
It was the interest of this country that the sovereign and
ri:Vpla.rinoe:should be surrounded by men of station and
of feeling—men who had • sense of great re.
sponaibility, and therefore nothing was more unwise than
that the house should discountenance the promotion of
those who held appointments in the royal household, but
who banged to the military profession, provided they
were fully entitled. (Hear, hear.) So long as that system
it was of the utmost importance and of the highest
public Interest that officers who accepted appointments in
the royal household mould be men of the h4hest class, and
that they should not consider that bemuse they
accepted such appointments, they would be de-
prived of future promotion in their profession.
The gallant officer who had been referred to that night was
not only the son of an illustrious statesman, but bad per
formed all his duties In a manner which fully entitled him.
to public credit. (Hear, hear.) He entirely agreed with
the right hon. gentleman, the Secretary for War, that this
was not a case in which the government should seek apo-
I4es for the appointment. (Hen, bear.)
Colonel DICKSON would take that opportunity of stating
that the very fact of the appointment of Sir J. Inglis,
would necessitate his resigning his pension for distinguished
seniors.

The house then went Into committee of supply
Mr. B. HERBERT said at that hour he would only state
what were the main differences between the two estimates
before he asked the committee to go to the first vote. In
No.l, the change was him the sir battalions of infantry and
one regiment of ovally coming borne from India. In No. 3
there was •diminution of 54,0001. on account of the reduced
number of men raised, and 15,0001. for the purchase of
horses for artillery, not now wanted. There was a dimi•
notion for postponing the building of a military prison in
Canadr, and a reduction upon wages, which belonged to
that part of the reduction made on the vote for stores, in
consequence of • less amount of work being performed in
the carriage department of the Arsenal than was prepared.
The reduction with regard to clothing was the reduction on
free kits. The right lion, gentleman then propeed the first
vote of an additional number of 1,907 men for the military
service of the United Kingdom.
Colonel P. HERBERT observed that the 8,000 men in
the real increase of the army barely represented the force
which the government had lately sent to China. He saw
also there ems still in the estimates • considerable vote for
the embodied militia. He thought this was not • eatis-
dietary arrangement.
le answer to General Uerces,
Mr. B. HERBERT said he could not hold out any hope
that the government would increase the present rate of
peesions. It was thought much better to lOttllM the pay
of the army under the abort service system then to add to
the este of pensions.
Bre F. SMITH said that in the estimates 12,000 men
were stated as representing the depots for Indian regi-
ments, while in the returns the number was 15,000. being a
difference of 3,000, Perhaps the right hon. gentleman
well explain the discrepancy.

Mr. H. HERBERT replied that it was because the Indian
depot varied very much in amount during the year, and
they had therefore taken a fair average.
The vets was thee agreed. to.
The vote of 3,136,7011. to complete the pay and *Bow-
saws for Lad forest at home and abmad, exclusive of India,
was eyed to after a somewhat desultory discussion.
(ht alb voted 387,2411., for miscellaneous charge*,

Km GRIFFITH asked the right hon. gentleman the
thereinry et State for War for some information on the
esweet of the recent regulation enabling cavalry officers to
obtain chargers horn the service horses of the regiment.
Oa the motion of Colonel KISOI, the Chairman reported
pompom, and the hones resumed.
KR JOHN BARNARD'S ACT, he. REPEAL BILL
This bill wee read a third time and passed.
NUMANCEES REMOVAL AND DISRAfiEti
PREVENTION BILL
. _

This bill passel tiTr7iugit is;Mirittee, an amendment being
inserted at the instance 01 Mr. J. Locke maseptiag the wee-
Imola from the operation et the bill

TAX BILLS.

Oa the motion fer Lord PALMIER/STOW, Lard Frotham and
Mr. Collier were added lathe gadget ownisittae cat Tax
The home then edjammed at a manic we am &dock.

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