The Express.
London, England, 1867-11-20 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 20, 1867.

IMPERIAL P.

becomes inevitable, it would hardly be convenient at
present to enter into details. (Hear, hear.) The time is
very near at which it will be my duty or that of some
otl.er minister to place the whole matter before the house.
rapers prepared with as little reserve probably ever
occurred before have been laid upon the table this even-
ing, and I assume that gentlemen on both tides will be
anxious to make themselves acquainted with their contents
before we come to the discussion. I will not do more
than touch upon the questions connected with foreign
affairs to which the right hon. gentleman has alluded. It
must, lam sure, be sathfactory to all of us to receive
from the throne an assurance of the friendly relations
which exist between her Majesty, her allies, and the other
nations of Europe. We must all deplore what has recently
occurred in Italy. This is not a convenient occa-
sion, even if it were necessary, to enter into the
causes of that unhappy disturbance, but I have no doubt
' that the spirit in which her Majesty has addressed us will
be approved of and re-echoed by the house, and I trust
that we shall all concur in the expression of a hope that in
a short time the presence of any foreign troops in Italy
may cease. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the important
questions connected with Ireland to which the right hon.
gentleman has particularly adverted, I would merely ob-
i serve that when parliament meets in November it must
not be assumed that it is not the intention and hope of
her Majesty's government to deal with many topics that
are not particularly referred to in the speech from the
throne. The land question of Ireland is one which no
government that I have been connected with can be an-
ousel of having passed over with neglect. Our efforts to
bring it to a fair solution may not have been fortunate,
but on more than one occasion great pains have been
taken and great sincerity has been shown to effect that
object. The right hon. gentleman has been just in re-
ininbering that lest year, even although the time of the
government and the House of Commons was greatly occu-
pied, we made no contemptible effort with that view ; and
the house must not infer that, because the subject is not
introduced into the royal speech, her Majesty's government
have given up the solution of the difficulty in despair.
On the contrary, I think I may venture to say that
if we have the omortunity a bill having that object will
again be presented to parliament. With respect to the
question of the Irish church and the commission which
has recently been issued, I think the right hon. gentleman
has placed too wide an interpretation upon some expres-
sions that inav have been used. I believe that to-mor-
row a copy of that commission will be laid upon the table,
and theretore it is not necessary for sue to enter into any
further explanation. The right hon. gentleman has, I
think, given to the ministry and also to members of this
house very prudent counsel as to the vague terms in which
it is upon the whole expedient to refer in speeches from
the throne to very important questions, andtherefore I will
not defend paragraphs which have not been attacked. I will
only say that the paragraph with reference toeducation has
not been put into the speech as a rhetorical flourish. The
time of her Majesty's government is at this moment given
very earnestly and senously to the subject generally. ; but
of course. in consequence of parliament meeting in the
month of November, we are not justified in referring more
specifically to the result of our lAours. I have, in con-
clusion, sir, again to thank the house for the great kindness
which I have to-night experienced. (Cheers.)
Mr. HOH.SMAN complained that the speech treated
the Italian question as a question solely between
France and Italy, whereas it was an European
question. He rejoiced to hear that the Emperor of
the French had invited the European powers to a
congress. This was for England a great oppor-
tunity. The Italian question was not a question
of sentiment, or of religion, or of territorial aggran-
disement, but of international policy, to be deter-
mined solely by principles of public law and mo-
rality.
Lord STANLZY (eh() was received with cheers)
said :

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TursnAT, Nov. 19.

lw the House of Lonna, yesterday, Earl BROWN-
-I.ow moved the address in reply to the Queen's
speech. He said he regretted the necessity for the
Abyssinian expedition. but he thought their lord-
ships would confirm the decision the government
had arrived at. He congratulated the house on
our fore.gii relations. It was painful to linti
Irenianism so prevalent in the land, but it was
gratifying to find that the English people had
shown no sympathy with it.
Lord Hvtrow seconded. He believed that the
Abyssinian expedition had been fitted out with the
greatest care and forethought, and he looked for-
liard to its success with the utmost confidence.
Be expressed an earnest desire that the recent
reform legislation would be followed up by educa-
tional and other measures.

Earl Ryssem, said the conduct of the Emperor
of Abyssinia had been so outrageous, and he had
elitism such an utter violation of all international
usages, that the government could have pursued
no other course than to send the expedition. He
was glad to receive the assurance that the govern-
ment anticipated no disturbance of the peace on
the continent, but he regretted that the Emperor
of the French had felt it necessary to take the re-
trograde step of intervening in Italian affairs.
Any intervention of one country in the affairs of
another was certain tobe mischievous, if not dan-
gerous, in its results, and he trusted that her
Majesty's government, come what might, would
never lend its sanction to any proceedings of the
kind. He agreed in the terms of the address
with respect to Fenianism. Her Majesty could
safely trust in the loyalty of her English subjects,
and, as ho believed, in the great body of her Irish
subjects also. Referring to the promised legisla-
tion, his lordship said he hoped the noble earl at
the head of the government would not bring on the
Irish and Scotch reform bills merely as Leap No. 2
and Leap No. 3in the dark, but that he would
take sonic pains to explain their object and
probable effect. He hoped government would as
soon as possible declare its intention with respect
to the ouestion of education, land with that view
he would on an early day propose some resolutions.
The Earl of HAUT/WT(3CE approved of the Abys-
sinian expedition, and with reference to educa-
tion said all that was required for the working
class was that they should be taught to read and
write.

The Earl of CARNARVON pointed out the dangers
of the Abyssinian expedition, and remarked that,
instead of the expedition, an Indian officer should
have been sent with a mission, and greater dignity
than that of Mr. Raasam, and he should have been
escorted by a retinue of Indian cavalry sufficient
to protect him. It would be gross injustice to
charge the cost of it on the Indian revenue, and
impolitic to throw it upon posterity.
Lord Hotroirrow condemned the re-occupation of
Rome by the French troops, and said the result of
the conference would probably be an occupation of
Rome by a joint force of the catholic powers, which
would be preferable to that of the French alone.
He hoped that the government would not dismiss
the question of joining the congress too hastily.
The Earl of DERBY ridiculed the suggestions of
the Earl of Caniarvon and regretted that the noble
earl had not volunteered for the duty with a hand-
ful of yeomanry, and tried his eloquence on the
Emperor. There was not the slightest idea of
charging any of the expense on the Indian revenue,
and the sole object of the government was to
release the prisoners. The government had re-
ceived an invitation to the congress on the Italian
question. They had neither accepted nor declined
it ; but they were desirous, both on public and on
personal grounds, to return the invariable friend-
ship and goodwill of the Emperor of the French
towards this country, and to assist in re-
lieving him from the embarrassment which

I do not think that this is a convenient opportunity to
enter into any speculative discussion as to possible settle-
ments of the Roman question, or to criticise the course
which has been pursued by governments other than out
own, but I am quite ready to do that which the right hon.
gentleman has asked, that is, to state briefly, but I hope
explicitly, what is the attitude assumed by her Majesty's
government with regard to the recent occupation of Rome
by the French army, and with regard to the still more
recent proposal of a conference to settle the Roman ques-
tion. As to the first point my answer is very simple.
The occupation of Rome was not • matter upon
which we were called by any treaty or engagement officially
to form or express an opinion. On that account, and also
because under the circumstances of the case I felt that,
however one might regret the step, intervention on our
part would be impolitic, I have not attempted say Each
formal intervention ; but I Dave thought it my duty,
on the part of the government, to inform that of
France, that under any circumstances the public
opinion of this country would be unfavourable
to the occupation of Rome by French troops.
Whatever matters of difference may have arisen between
Italy and France in the course of these transactions, the
good offices of her Majesty's government have been solicited
on behalf of the Italian government. That assistance wee
frankly asked and was willingly and cheerfully gives, and
I may any it has been gr.tefully accepted. The house is
aware that invitations have been sent to almost all the
powers of Europe by the French government to attend
the proposed conference. The reply of her Majesty's go-
vernment was sent a day or two ago, and it is now too
late to modify it. Its not customary or convenient to
lay upon the table of the house any papers so long as the
negotiations continue, but I have no objection to state
what is the general substance of that reply. It is to the
effect that we do not believe any advantage
would arise, or any practical result follow from the con-
ference, unless in the first place there is some definite
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Trxsoav, Nov. 19. len proposed for consideration before the conference
i:pens, and unless in the next place there appears from the
IN the Roust of Commons the address in answer preliminary negotiation &reasonable probability that the
to the speech from the throne was moved by Mr, plan will meet with the assent of the parties most inter-
BART DYKE who observed with regard to the Abyasi- of teet
caiseßet.r..ll.
aine'rg.)ati the widemdivergentea of atop:Won
nian expedition, that itwsa undertaken, not in order i which prevails between protestant and catholic powers on
to obtain an accession of territory, but to vindicate i this question, lam not very saaguins as to the result.
the national honour. No doubt anxiety existed in Rut I sin quite satisfied of this—that to go into the con-
the minds of many as to the complications likely to ference without some previous understanding of that kind
arise from the events which had taken place in ;would merely
il be
ex a
excellent
of time,
ce (Hear, hearf.o) A
eon-
Italy, but it was gratifying to findthat our relations II Se ee
Mn cue is
sratificZn— taking no:: were, of
rmal and
with the Emperor of the French continued to De decisions already come to, but where there is a wide
of the most friendly character. As regarded the and fundamental divergence, not upon questions of detail,
question of parliamentary reform anal the measure but upon questions ioef principle,f
aI am n
• not number sanunol
last session, many hard things had been said,
ennoutlgerotoenlinoroe:hhae that the
bringingut discuricequestions would
Enatt trusted that crimination and recrimination C sufficient tu put an end to the difficulty. If the plan
would be avoided, and that they would set to work of the conference should fail, I for one would deeply regret
to make that which was a partial a complete settle- it, because I believe every one would be glad to remove a
meat of the question. The promised bill with cause of danger, and a cause of complications which might
regard to bribery and corruption, he believed, at a future time lead to • continental war. At the same
would be on the basis of that of last year.
time lam bound to any that it is not an affair in which
' the British government is primarily and directly
Colonel HOOO, in seconding, said he hoped that concerned, except so far as we all feel a
the Abyssinian expedition would not become an desire for a state of tranquillity, anti except so
Abyssinian war, but he expressed the utmost con- far as every question interests us which concerns
idence in Sir Robert Napier, the commander of the European civilisation. We are bound to do what may be
expedition. fairly expected from us on the part of neighbours and
' friends, but I do not think that on a question of this kind,
Mr. GiarmroNs remarked that there wan no- not directly touching any English interests, we ought
thing in the speech which would induce him to to expose ourselves to the risk of getting involved in
depart from the rule of excluding, as far as pee- I future complications, or ought to increase the number of
Mble, controverted matter in the discussion on the responsibilities which we have already undertaken.
address. They could not enter that night on (Ch""./
Sir G. Bowvia complained that the Garibaldi=
the Abyssinian question, but he must observe that
volunteers, whom he characterised as "filibusters,"
the house was not at this moment committed, had been encouraged by the Italian government.
directly or indirectly, to any proceedings connected There was no desire on the part of the Roman
with the expedition. He hoped that the expense
ple for a change. of government. If these fili-
would not be obtained by adding to the debt of
eaten were allowed to deprive the Pope of his
the country. He joined in the hope that the house
temral dominion. there was an end of inter-
would enter into the question of parliamentary national law. In his opinion the congress would
reform in England and Scotland in the same spirit
come to nothing.
in in which they dealt with the English bill, but he RO NEWDA.TE thought England had far better
expressed his sorrow that the government had not
have nothing to do with the question of the
assured the house that they intended to renew their temporal power of the Pope, and hoped that our
efforts for a settlement of the land question in government would take no part in the congress.
Ireland. Another matter which it was necessary
Mr. P. A. TAYLOs differed in toto from the
to legislate upon was the Irish church, and on that
opinion that England had no interest in the Italian
point he said he trusted it was not true that the
question. The invasion of Italy by the French he
Irish Church Commissioners were empowered not
contended was a breach of international law, and
merely to collect facts, but to suggest the terms on
was a mere act of political brigandage
which the question should be settled.
Mr. BUTLER-JOHNSTONE reminded the house that
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was
the Italian question was not the question before
received with general cheering, and who spoke
it and said he did not see what possible good a
under the influence of deep emotion, said : • ,
congress could be, or what power we had of giving
Mr. Speaker, I am deeply sensible of the sympathy
which the house has evinced for me, and g am nmah i effect to our sentiments on this question.
touched by the manner in which it has been eon. After a few observations from Mr. Witauxv,
veyed the right hon. gentleman oppeite. (Hear, who spoke of Fenianism being the natural result
hear.) The speech of the right hon. gentleman was of the teaching of the Roman catholic religion ;
a most fair one. I agree with him in thinking that the
moved by my hon. friend in ama address was moved which and from Mr. Commence in reference to the cattle
engaged the attention sad interest of the house, and pave, the address was agreed to, and the house
seconded by my hen. and gallant friend in a manner adjourned at twenty minutes to 8 o'clock.
which we must all feel to have been most satisfac-

be might feel in the prolonged occupation of
Rome. He defended the government and the local
authorities from the charge of remissness in guard-
ing the Fenian prisoners at Manchester on the day
they were rescued. He would say nothing to ag-
gravate the position of the poor men under sen-
tence of death, but he protested against the perpe-
trators of such outrages being classed as political
offenders. The government would introduce the
measures indicated in the Queen's speech as early
as possible, but on the question of education it was
desirable to have much more information than they
at present possessed.
The motion was then agreed to, and the house
adjourned at 8 o'clock.

tory. (Hear, hear.) The right honourable gentleman
is perfectly correct in his assumption that the THE. FARNHAM WORXHOUSII INQUIET.—The in-
government do not fur • moment suppose that the bonze y was resumed yesterday morning. The proceedings
is at all pledged with respect to the Abyssinian policy of
the administration. The whole subject will be brought co' masted of the cram- examination of Dr. Powell, medical
officer of the workhouse, and on its conclusion the
before us in a legitimate form in a very short time, and inquiry was ngnin adjourned. Mr. Lambert wished that
the house will then consider it as though it was a matter the attention of the public should be drawn to the fact
introduced for the first time, as to which it is entirely on- that any county magistrate might inspect a workhouse at
pledged, and upon which hon. members must decide after any time, and, in the event of finding noncompliance with
candid and fall discussion. The government will then be the existing orders and regulations, might cause the
prepared to vindicate the policy which they recommend offending party to appear before himself and another
parliament to adopt. They court the utmost in- magistrate to answer the charge of neglect, for which cer-
quiry. Indeed it is most expedient on all oe- tain penalties were prescribed by the statute.
cartons, and especially upon this, which is con-
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THE RITUAL MOVEdIEAT.

A meeting of gentlemen interested in the Ritual
movement was held yesterday, at three o'clock, at St.
James's-hill, to protest against any legislative interference
with the Book of Common Prayer. Earl Nelson presided.
In order to refute the assertion often made that ntualistio
meetings were attended only by ladies none but gentle.
men were admitted, but the greatest care was taken to ex-
clude all who came unprovided with the necessary ticket.
The hall and gallery were comfortably filled. Previous to
the proceedings, Dr. Tussle and Dr. Pope wished to address
the chairman, their object being to ascertain whether they
would be allowed to ask questions. They were assailed
with loud cries of " Turn him out ;" and for several
minutes the meeting was the scene of the wildest disorder.
In eachgalleryone or two persons got up and shouted, in evi.
dent sympathy with these ntlemen who claimed the attention
of the chair. The friends of the meeting at length as-
sumed a threatening attitude, and were about to turn out
Dr. Turk, when that gentleman resumed his seat, Arch-
deacon Denison having in the meanwhile sent fora police-
man, who did not arrive. It was explained by a printed
notice that the meeting was not called to discuu whether
there should be a memorial addressed to the commis-
goners on ritual, because such a memorial had been
already drawn up and largely signed, therefore it was not
competent to any person to propose or suggest an amend-
ment ; the business of the meeting was to receive
from the chairman, and speakers on the chairman's
list, statements of the reason why the memorial
was posed for adoption, and no speaker ex-
cept called upon by the chairman would be heard.
The Chairman having opened the proceedings, Arch-
deacon Denison moved the adoption of the memo-
rial in a wretch of considerable length, which
(together with the Queen's Speech) had been published in
• high church newspaper, and was selling in the Strand
soon after noon. The memorial, which the yen. arch-
deacon read, was addressed to the Royal Commission on
Ritual. It insisted that the use of high ceremonial was
part of the common and statute law of the church of Eng-
land; that its adoption, though long in abeyance, was
held by many of the clergy and laity to be the proper
outward expression of the church's doctrines, a help to
devotion, and the means of teaching. The memorial went
on to say that a revival of ceremonial should not be
effected without due regard for the feelings of the
congregation and the legal rights of the ordinary
and that to propose any restraint upon each revival
would require ex poet facto legislation, which
npos general principles, was most objectionable,
and which, in the present instance, would operate with
grave and manifest injustice against one section of the
clergy and laity. A few interruptions occurred during
the archdeacon's speech, but they were most promptly
dealt with, the slightest sign of dissent being the signal
for unanimous shouts both from clergy and laity of "1
him out." Mr. Shaw Stuart seconded the resolution,
which was carried. Other speeches were then made—by
Mr. Cooper (who said he was • working man), by the Hon.
C. Wood, by the Rev. Mr. Mayow, by the Rev. Mr. Carter,
by Mr. J. C. Talbot, by Sir E. Lechmere, by Mr. Prideaux,
Q.C., and by Mr. Brett. It was resolved to present the
memorial to the commissioners, and also to circulate it
more widely for signatures. The proceedings lasted over
three hours, and, with the exception of the disturbances
indicated, were exceedingly enthusiastic, the cheers often-
times being of an actually boisterous character.

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