The Express.
London, England, 1859-02-19 00:00:00

(Stamped Id. Additional.) [TWOPENCE.

Kr. S. FITZGERALD Implied to various questions. He
added the commatniorik ns which had taken plies with the
Pentrien government ma the subject d the guano trade. In
sneerer to ldr. Hatt, he juartltd the krier from bad
Malteriabury to the Chamber of Commetee at Geessock,
explaising t►e eirentnrianoe, under which the leCer was
written, sod to Mr. Kieglake he promised that the papers
should be flrtheotoiog on Monday or Tuesday.
The motion for sofooramant was then agreed to.
CHURCH RATES.

Lord J. RUMBLL tnereired what bwhwee the govern•
wont intended to ;mead with on Monday ?

Mr. WALPOI.II replied that it wee hie intent'on, after
drepolies of the India Loma Bill, b propose on Monday that
the wan of t►e dp be postponed for the purpose of bthg-
fag forward the tiara rat. riestices.

EASE INDLA. LOAN,

Lord STANLEY, Inmor',ogTherttie; house resolve itself
kto committee on the subject of the Beat India ken, said it
might perhaps sow the time of the hours if be dined some
aeplsnatloea with Menu c to the statement which ha bad
made the other eight. On that occasion be stated that the
meanie ot India for the yam 1866-67 wen 33,000,0001.
The padisareatary account put down three revenue at
29,70%0001. • great put of the difference between the
two enema was due ea the cause which he mastioned at
the time—amely, that he hod 111111=0•1 the ropes to be
worth ha, ohms la the priermentary mormts the value
was reamed to he Is. 100. He believed the bullion
vales of 4IM rinse shoat la. Med., hat
tbr Ile mbar, mir was
e at thesthmet dere Ma Se.
net dikereacre ervalne accounted hr the dierreparay to the
Mira d 1,0191,11061. There was another oases of diese-
l:can of which be was not swan at the time he made hi.
oreement, sad that was that in the parliameutary a:count
then rats • numb r of charges on the cos baud and map'
on the o her that were am =rioted, it bang cauddiend
that they did Rot proterly forma pert of the revenue ac-
count. He would not read the whole oldie Ike but would
gratin two or the., of the 1t.... Then was en item of civil
and political charges, orwributions from salve state., road
funds, the , amounting to 347,9101. ; molter of enolaimed
&pair, to , amounting to 183,0001. ; another of *Man
drape foe the sale of rum, malt liquor, he., moaning to
416,0001.; mother of building., roads, M., surroating to
388,0001. ; sad some other item brought up the serene to
1,619,0001. Wires be areelamsd this embein r hemearan
it must be berm ha need that as atelsnee between the Mame
and expeaktere It created no Menem The question wea
simply whether then items Midi orpered on one state
ee ramp% sad were bleared ea the other, cerjitos
haw aramed in the accoest at all. He
=thiligat:bare annoyed, and proposed that in Men the
smear Medd Minds every ken of re-
MO mod impentheare. (Hear.) The aggregate of the two
emente be bad areetleasti ma, In round numbers,
itMOMIL Ago* although k was • small ma, be
lathed le orain that vbs. be eacu'atcd the number of
Esiteram her a is India, he meationed the &mother actually
in IVAN aseriMag is the feat Marna. Nearly 20,000 had
anthsell to Irks ire the I.lli 0111116011 were made out. r ad
that mean might to be added to the previous returne. With
repel to the Item of poke wale, double hod been ex.
premed se to the sormery d Ilk etarement of the returns
teethed hem these works. He had gone throrritllso-
Mara meerkieed that they ware cmrect. wen
bodednebodedea the calculetions ef engineers, but cat at
the Mid alreveeter, whose object was to show that the Mi-
nd= ef the (agleam were too mean% sat who had
theigibre endeavoured to reduce them to the tree meant
(Her, ken.) • quirks was pot to him seen time ago as
to the astherity ginia to Lord Caner, to nine money
by km or debenture, at the rate of 6 pee mt.
per smith He had thought it better lot to
mere the mediae at the lime, became some explanation
was arneen to reader the matter intelligible. The rate of
the me was this. In Jely but the government of India
thought the bad mare to epprebend more serious Ilaancial
Milkulties dm they bad hitherto experienced. Under these
thennuteaces they adhered to the government a despatch,
wideb,kepther with the reply, be was ►premed to Icy on
the table. Ie that darn& they enumerated the various
Merriam by which they &gin be relieved from their 6tH-
shies. One ears kept rerainame from this country. An-
other was tee Mere et mosey la Indite at a high rats of
latereet TM; was sot a nee el opera, but of novo sty, foe
there were as moose of neaktag nenieshces how this coun-
try to the sestreary meat. The reply ea the Bth Septem-
ber from the lotion department authorised the =rue ef
Treasury saes at 6 per mot , if that mature should be
hood absolutely secestary. No Information of that autho-
rity !wharf bas reel upon had been received, and it
wee obviates that it would not be acted ma with-
out armity. Hitherto the rate of kestrel red by
the goverment of lad= had not brae nominally
above 6 per mat. He add nominally, ensue, in point of
hgt, they Wenbe paying • higher sum. The state of
dins was Mealy UM The 6 per cent ken was about
92. Of 07Iffle at one would subscribe to that lode at par
when they mad bay at 92. The okra of the speaks lied
leen this—that 4 pr mot. paper, which could be bought at
62, was allowed to he paid, together with an 'gantlet Is
ash, boo the 6 per one. loan, and the result was that • per-
m mead pay 10001. of a percent. parer and get 5 per rect.
for ir, provided be also paid in 1,0001. in oath. In comider-
Mica of getting 1,1001. sash, at 6 per rent., the government
was paying Deady 1 pr cent. e e than ea nail Gement of
paper go that they had hem torterwiog at the rate ofl Ole
Isis thou 6 per mt. This power of Issuing Tree ury sore
at 6 plc mat. had however a greater digerati, in &prepuce
Ira In reality. Sore time ego it wee thought there would
be • morsity foe using this ppaawwbut the reruns received
on Manley showed a aosalderehie brawn in the 6 per
cent. len, end ha was glad to say that this was
raring to rdecapdoes it., mire sources. (Hear, hear.)
He Impel the aeon= would not err e for laming tree
Trearesynelita et 6 pee mat , but it was not derivable that
the pewee ef dielare oo amid be withdrawn. There was a
posed hang k thls imeen that Incite ought, as far se
pod* to supply the reqdremate for the works of India.
Although it might sot he may to explain why there was a
Milmenee bonen the prise trad in India and the price paid
is ingind,k was arearthre the fact that this diaereses
of rate prig kw liens men the same security hod added
Der • oellsis tiara lest year the average price Ow
the 6,000.0001. lamina 44 per mat , .ad be believed the rate
on Calcutta we between 6 sod 6 per mt. Then was me
more point to which he wished to advert, and that was the
aseratat of the Indian debt. Stoop the diatomic= on Monday
be bad new endow rreatho =dinning some coalition as to
the wheal sammt of that debt. It had been asked why he
did not iodate all the 40,000,0001. of railway guesentes
His earner was, that the 40
on 000,0001. on which interest was
would not be • burden the lodise rennin
Crrite" completion of she lines, rather • tome ape&
than otherare. It bat also been arked why Ere Ind%
Steck had not been include! P Therms not a
charge, sad would mare altogether in 1874, aad t=ni
the general calculi ion be did not include that stock. Ile
did not take the 7.000,0001. of deposit se part of the debt, but
excluded it, for it was Impossible to say bow much of that
ram constituted a real liability upon the government of
ladle. There were • coesiterable number of bonds rem-
antra, both in the treasury, and be believed it would be
hued that he hod awed the amount of the debt meetly.
The amount of debt be ked statei to be 62,086,0001. ; bor-
rowed = ladia, 7,466,00014 home bone dent, 7,000,0001.;
debenture loss last year. 8.000,0001. ; making • total of
74,142,0001. Having made these explanations, he would
new move that the aka leave the their.
The beam burg re solved itself into committr e, Mr.
limey ta the shale,
Lon STANLEY poprei a resolution enthliere the Conn-
ell of larks to rake • loan for the government of ledia.
Sir C. WOOD, remaking that he =ended to offer no
=on to the ion, awed very copiously in the general
state of ladle, et which he drew a gloomy pinata.
No strennourly urged the impetheney sad impoliey of this
emarry undertaking ths pecuniary Halides of lad= ; but,
Ewe wished to avoid them, we must, he observed, be ex-
ceedingly makes la dealing with ladian revenue end
Win expand ,thm. He naked the disproportionate =-
nem of the latter, sad, in conkers the future prorants
ef
the revemer, he drought that the., was, at prewar, a proo-
fed mho el • swirestera than a an Memo in the lead
nimmeat, while that derived from opium was varlets sad
The Chinese, baring Inaba the rape-
=base *Mum, might sanction its cultivates is China,
• meson which would seriously effete the lodise
worth He dimmed the mode. euggestel by Lord Stanley
down the expenditure, by reducing the salaries
dohs servants, and by a more extensive employ-
Met off To the latter expedient he offered various
oblothens; mad, upon the whole, he was of spree that the
deit a 0 mess was name likely to barrow than dlenintah.
The mdotasy establishment was the only beam= of the ex-
pthemedels,r2tlautt:l:lll3,,,kelhouw-Placlightr.hebliAmitiill:w3if e:aitthank7eviedLfn"d"dtun:thetgfa°sitba:,:e:thramideusbebte;c.fbdprtedn:Z
attheTthathali;:aBl6"l.lll:::Portrillians.tßniludY97lbad,;Mrecelbtictloo.Higuinsupothenu.dpr"sziLltmolksaidadefenitionebessemaikhseebelf:ak:
which, be ooatanded, mend mese= dheembiti, by Not
=thing the titles of tenumarelde larkwrisre, bad* le ex-
feeder confiscation, and nevertheime neekkg r bean bee
M the rennos. India ins a most valuable pemerion of the
mews. rupdriag only good goveraneat to bemeas ithrikatly
prosperous.
Mr. LIDDELL debethei Lord Stanley's sisternenta
spinet the Misdate of Sir C. Wood.
Mr. V. SMITH emplaned that the banes liad no
results bare It; that Lard &Way had held out nothing
epos whktt it could form se Meisel. Led Sraskm, be Oh
served, bad omitted is his dent terepemaks he brew
tsorty, which mud be eztreeady hme. Ha (bb. Smith).flr ."r ever, better hens en the elm ti of the LAM
lssi ree.troe then tiller Lard Ikea* we Mr C. Wood, and
be haired that freak team might be levied. The civil ex-
=ilretaWit, Ia ids orkka, be diminished, but, se •
ikeepia Moe owl be iedatelied lit bee he Kw

Pets, he did not sr how there could be a redaotica of the
military enseditare. He trusted that la the rsoonstrection
of a native many there would be so native artillery.
Mr. W. VANSITTART, having been a ramunP4°°-
allot r in India, related hots showng the gnat fabrications
of firmer end mans by hoiden at Islam (or rent-free)
lands.
Mr. CRAWFORD gave sane details reardiffid lonia
triers, showing that they were already highly remunera-
tive. He threw out asunder regarding the financial ope-
ration. of the Indian government, and thought too great
slings was laid upon the possible diminution of the opium
revenne. Chloe, he said, was Mt a country where gram
could be profitably grown to any great extent.
Mr. CARDWELL, with retreats to railways in Indla,
hoped the time was coming when the system of guarantee*
would be at an end. He hoped that the stipulation in the
Loan Act of last year, providing that the pecuniary bourns
of India should be borne by the Indian Exchequer_ alone
would not be aerated from ; that India, when It borrowed
mosey, should borrow 011 OWE acuity.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY suggested that the bill author-
ing thin loan should contain a chime of appropriation, eon.
fining it is sped& purses.
Mr. Lows oboareal that r Lord Starr amitt4P.
saw no prospect of laceoring hie ways and moans of
dialabbing hie impenditais, than mar be a coaster di.
finny in the Litho haeacea. The home had, therefore, a
ht to expect from hba the smarm of menses of
Means might be brim to brlthe reple mare clot*
to me, width would enable as is reins or millble=
MAL Lel in rat far bream the
il drehatgad strenwhere lase, trans ear lead ranee
ignem and 0111r00/ asseewnent left no property la the land.
Ma protested etrongly wind the spies of gaarantra
Ind STANLEY said that a grea variety of subjoin had
bees touched upon, but he should take the ilbertibonatsar-
dreg himself to the main question. Ho would ay,
that he quite easaarre4 with the hon. member ben Kiddie!
ranger as to the importauce of the revision of the wider
and supra courts, sad had sent out lashruotior n 'Mae
changes end thither conaldaation had token
With nopeet le the obeli ispearture, he feared tam would
not be mad redaction nailer that head. Sometidag bed Irli
been end tespeig the railway guarantees, but be salaried
that It wren, fflt lete lo discuss that creeds& arra
=estiforty mutes, end must take the conarneser.
tee, however, was barer than if govarmart unkr•
took the work, as in the or ease they had &y Is
Cee the Wart, while, in ths other, Or word
eraZtenpply the aa for the work. Will mewl to
the Indian-debt, he the*t that within had beta men
ready stand by him to a former occasion than that the
oi=ovintieent bed aot at all ineased the imperiel
y. The debt of India was a
first charge cm la-
dian 11/111/BEN and when la said that Ragland had a ccalin•
pat inmost in He woortly, be meat that if the ladha
re-
venue should ever fail In min the intereetar the airier
noir ederistatioa, the mmados word ekel are se to
what was to be done, and la tin way ha orrended tad Ms
co min had a centingent Wrest In the lurid elaildea
of Ledo- (Hoer, beer.) misak the noble_ laid
intend the boar In the T
wain. wish whir
shown to mart the govenneat in settling !Ws impeder
quern.
Mr. HiIIIfAIRD mid be was glad the gormand of
lathe bed sot dark from the reepteribillty of
gunman Sm the railings mad War rend invermared2
eapital, without whin than undertakfamt would not hew
beta Iranian ; and the advantages of parliamestary amar
rang been mewed for lailhboAnotol that the Wearer
magnet country would he promoted by its Ware rater.

Coked SYKES resedied that isms bm itesileme bed
shows themselves disposed is fake so gloomy • view of Um
pmepsnie el India, to tails Mimi he whetted to • cow-
tain et On VINIMS Mid emmilkem et India is the row
wish the Smedel @Yemenis of recent yew
elhowkig the; MR fifty yews ld doped. the Ms. no
Utile to the Mews of India, vie ler in
then it me at the emmentement et that period ; b 5:1
par ant. at the lame da% sad wisp 10 per wet. in 1 1.
The Increme of preopirity was she provesuplabothe Imports
Midi and exports, ibmpol aslable
The twolutke me this pined tam cow, and the house
haykyy resomed, the chairman 'melted Worm.
OCCASIONAL PORNO OP PRAYER.
The Oicaelimal Pants el Pram Sill, on the motion of
Yr. W•troz.n,AE • AIM Me and pee ed.
The Law of and Trader Amendmeat Bill Ina
Monett beta the at Lords and wad a Bret Nine.
CIVIL SZEVICE SUPERANNUATION.
The above bill was and a second time.

BALE OF POISONS BILL.
Mr. ILINNAIRD WWI fiat title bin might be pielpemed.
He had not had doe to hoar from the *oral oa the sodPect.
Mr. WALPOLE proposed to pot the bill through com-
mites, on this day risek ; or eves eta later period If ho..
members desired it. He Quaid* trusted that the house
would now rest It. second time. (Rear, bear.)
Kr. HUNT thought the bill corn to specie, the domes
of all the penes' In whir& it ippbrid.
The bill woo then mai a second time, sad ordered to be
committed on Monday week.
MANOR COURTS. ie. (IRELAND) BILL.
Oa the motion of Mr. WRITISIDNI, this bill was reed a
woad time. _ _

BALI OF GRAIN, Ike., BILL.
Yr. WCanze obtained leave in brim in a Nil for the sale
of grab, sneal, four, batter, end potatoes, and other eget.
miters! prodnoe, by the pond avoirdupois, the wont of
40 lbs., the hundredweight of 100 lbs., and the too of
2,000 lbs.
FRAOTMONBRS BILL.
11r. WALPOLE elnalsol leave to Willa Ina blll to mated
the Xedkol Practttienere Ate (21 and It Vie. a 90).
BURIAL ACTS AYSIfDYIBT BILL.
Yr. HARDY obtained kern totaling to a by peened
the 43rd erotica of the aot 20 sod 21 Yio., 6.81, Matins to