The Express.
London, England, 1859-03-22 00:00:00

LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 22, 1859.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

noun OF LORDB.--11torDAT, Kam 21.
The Loan CIWICMLLOI leek his seat ca the woolsack
M Sr o'clock.
Lad DUNGANNON preeented rations from severs!
Wirla Lan the
e Ilapiliraga=gogiu:thiraeleteed wgile sister.".t
Lied OVJUISTONE presented petitions in favour of the
bill tree the cacao representing the general Doty of pro-
trent diessatisg ministers of the throe deaonniations—
ladlependante, d baptists ; from the Baptist
rribeYstrias' aa
Oreat Brim* representing more than 1,000 con-
gregelleem ; and from eleven aldermen, re sheriff, end 107
memberof the Common Council of the City of London.
Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from the clergy
of From against the bill.
The Bishop of RIPON presented several petitions against
the unarodittonal abolition of church rates.
The Dither SOMERSET presented several petitions from
disuniting praying that dissenters may be
eligible r traelo-se lee endoragregratlmes, wed schools.
LIAISING POWERS (IRELAND).
ThaEarIdBAPIDON ispind whether It was the inteatice
of the government to %fere°, any bill durkig the pressen
tram to facilites leaden powers In Ireland I'
The Earl d DONOOORMORIf replied that the At.•
tornoy.Cleaseel for Ireland lied prepared a bill on the subject,
and iatesded to introduce ft before Master.
INDICTABLE OFFENCES (METROPOLITAN
DISTRICTS) BILL.
This bill wad through committee.
MUTINY BILL.
On the motion of the Earl of Roestrx this 611 was read

MARINE MUTINY BILL.
Os the motion of the, Earl of DERBY tbia bill was read
marl time.

COUNTY COURTS BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, in moving the second
citlila bill, rid that its object was to remove an
ratiodhints y which existed with respect to the appointments of
bailiffn for county ceuris. iiLirestnt the judges of the county
warts were required to • t bailiffs ; but them were ex-
ceptions in the cases of estminster and Southwark, the
high bailiff of the former being appointed by the Dean and
Chapter, and of the latter by the Corporation of Lyndon.
Tho county court judges had no control over these high
bailiff., who had other duties to perform which prevented
their attending the county courts. An opportunity had oc•
cured of rectifying this inconvenience, for both tss high
bailiffs had died within a short time, and the offices werenow
vacant. The present bill provided for the appointment of
bailiffs for county courts in Westminster and Southwark
without at all interfering with the right of anointment of
high bailiffs by the Dean and Chapter and the Corporstion of
Lowden.
The bill wan read a sound time.
CONVICT PRISONS ABROAD BILL.
This bill pared through commit tee.
MANOR COURTS, de. (IRELAND), BILL.
The report co this bill wee received.
Their fotdabipe they adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, ?Lucia 21.
The Sez.siza took the chair at 4 o'clock.
NEW MEMBER.
Captain Issue took the oaths and his meat as member for
Harwich, in the MOrli of Mr. J. Bagshaw, who had accepted
the Chiltern Hundreds.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The East Suffolk Railway Bill, the Lands Improvement
Company Bill, and the Weymouth and blelcombe Regis
Market. and Piers Bill were read a third time and pawed.
The reports on ohs Glasgow Corporation Bill, the Hiner
Lmu Borough end Port and Harbour Improvement Bill, the
Lltdiers end Newtown Railway Bill, the Londondwiy
Bridge Bill, and the Chichester Harbour Improvement Bill,
were considered, and the bills were ordered to be read a third
time.

port of the inttahltente of to, who Were freeholders, and
to a peat wie el aoretaatioa to boroughs, and that the 1
ke ths evil It trod& emote would be to retort
to Is Is dimming the mond part of the
anteshnent, Lord Jolla saplideed the virnra he bad enter-
Wad on the subject of a Itadiatioa of the hatch!'., and
pat It to the loan arbother there should sot be a redaction
of the limit In Wm, to as to admit the worldsg classes,
suggrothig that it &odd be not according to rads', bat
to annual value, as is the Reform Act. "I have
now " continued the Milo lord, " gone through the usu.
meats in favour of my amesdesent. Bat while hardly say-
holy made up to mg that k is right to merge the freeholders
into the boroughs sad make ate uniform frasoldae, or that It
is right to refuse any urination of the occupation franchise
in boroughs, there an various make of radios the argu-
ment rather than =main It, by whioh it is sought to avoid
tho conclusion at which I have arrived in this amendment.
Some say that it is irregular to ropes on the wood reading
of a bill a risolution that has robresee to the details.

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That I think eon baldly be maintained by there
who lath year supported the resolution of Mr. Gibson.
(Rear, bur.) Because they then voted sot only for • rem-
ludas that was to pat an end to a bill, bat a resolution which
had very little reference to that bill, and a resolution which
insert ia the plum of a bill which they approved. (Hear,
hear. Everybody willrecollect how mu& the house ap-
ple d the Conspiracy Bill on Ito first introductios and
how much the government was implored in another awe to
tandems a bill of that kind. (amer, hear.) ,l on the
eactiedrudieg, the hour sopporsed a resolute= which bad
the effect of putting an end tothat bill. My right hon. (read
told me that that was the object In proposing the resolution.
What reason tight hon. patlemen opposite bad for support-
ing it I do not know, if it was not that they disliked the
bill. (Cheers and laughter.) I say at ono. that I (onside rthis
bill as one of a most nozloue, injurious, and dangerous
character. (Cheers.) Well, then, why? instead of moving
this rmolution do I not move that the bill be read a second
time this day six months ? (Cheers from the government
side.) I win state the rue= why Ido not take that wane.
This bill has, no doubt, some matters in it which are to be
approved and supported—(cheers from the government
side)—particularly the admission of the 101. occupiers It
counties. The provision Is not made in the most convenient
form ; it differs from that of 1854—the qualification is to be
the occupancy of land and tabements.—(An hon. member :
"Or tenements ")—Well, that Is a very dangerous qualifica-
tion. But it is obvious that If I, or any one aleshad, with.
oat this resolutioa, proposed that the second reading of the
bill be rejected, it wank' have been said dirostly—esid in this
house, end a great deal more out of doors—" You have re-
jected a bill of which the thief feature le that it gives • vote
to the 101. occupier, whom last year you were no onions to
enfranchise." But that Is not the chief feature of the
bill ; and I wish to mark by this resolution what is the prin-
ciple of the bill as It stands. (Hear, hear.) It is to be
found In the first clause, and therefore I think It necessary
that the house, before proceeding to the second reading of
the bill, should take care to mark their opinion with Regard
to the character of that principle. What course the govern-
ment will take if this amendment be carried—if this me ela-
tion be athrmed by the house—it is not for me to say. Un-
doubtedly they might chugs the whole =wetter of their
bill. It would he impossible for me, or any one el" to do so
in committee, because the find clause of the bill coataita the
whole principle ; end if we were M negative that chose la
committee, after agreeing to the second reading, the peens-
mint might justly reproach us with having agreed to the
second reading of • bill of which the great feature Is uni-
formity of franchise, and then striking out in committee the
clams by which that uniformity was established. (Hear,
bear.) I hold there'ore that the proper course is that the
hews should affirm—firet what they think with regard to
the proposed mode of dashog with the freeholders wham pro-
perty Is in boroughs, and in the neat plea whet is their °pi-
nkie with regard to the occupation franchise in towns. Then
it la 'aid that Is committee (and the right hon. gentleman
blmeelf rather seemed to invite that course) there
I will be all sorts of opinion. expecesed, and
ell aorta of amendments propped. Meer, hear.)
That is a question of impoetance—it is a question of gravity,
and the house will remember how notch the right boa. geo-
des:ash dwelt on that proposition. By throwing the whole
representation of the country into a kind of Notch-potch,
requinng every member to make his amendment and to
bring forward chows, is a proposidon unworthy of the go-
veroment, degrsding to the character of the hone-, and not
likely in the end to praise* saything conducive to the public
Interests. (Beer, hear.) I remember what were our pro.
°Nadine during the free Reform Bill. I know well
it was the entire coalidenos which the great ma•
levity of the househad In Lard Althorp, an
the firmness with which Ms prepositions wererupported, that
enabled the Howe of Commons to deal satiefaotonly with
that question. (Hear, Merl But if you proceed from the
first clause of this bill down to the lest, amending every
word—excluding the boroughs from the first clause sod wait-
log to the end of the committee to bring up others to suit the
boroughs—if you begin changing and chopping every clause,
I am sum the home cannot got through a bill of title kind
satisfactorily or succeedully. (Hear, hear.) We Mime that
at a artath hour cl the evening about theoefouiths of the
bout* go away, and when members come leak and
find that a division has boss coals to they
complain, and sly, I did not think you weal
divide so soon—a division at 9 o'clock was Peg ctsd.
1 did sot think you would disfranchise any heehofdeve
without my knowing it. (" Bow beet," sad laughter.) The
I
only eecority spinet this which oss see is that you should
have some great quell= before the home which oin be pro-
maly deibaied, sad on which the house can come to anima
decbron. (Bear) I roams lam not deterred fees takiag
the course I propose by the observation made tiv en hoe.
hand, that it we ventured to interfere with the due comes
of the government bill we might have a dissolution of paella.
meet. I hold that it would be quite unworthy of us if, in a
quake of eureelvee end our dameedents, we were to
be frightened either by face or the threat of a dissolution.
(Chore) It is f r the ministers of the crown, if we come to
ea:opiates adverse to 'her measure, to take that course
whith they shall think proper. (Hear, beer.) If they
I thick proper to advise the crown that a dissolution of pa-
-1 lament is necessary in order to submit this question t the
people at large, I remould not be afraid of the verdict of
the people. (Cheers.) Ltt them go with this bill in their
Duda—let them bold it up at slaty hastiage in England,
sad let us see the response that will be made. (Cheers.)
But it will be a serious question, for which her Majesty's go-
vernment, not we, will be repeatable, if this agitation should
lacrosse, if demands which arenot now thought of shall be
made the cry at popular elections. (Hear.) Upon bar
Neje oty's government, nod not upon us, will rest the respon-
sibility. I ere with surprise in unto prints that the paths-
mien by Lord Malmeebuey of the Foreign-office lea secure y
for peace. (Laughter.) I have sot behaved unfairly towards
Lord tdalmesbury, when he took aloe last year, end I am
disposed to look with favour on many of his proceedings.
I bare differed from him with regard to his conduct towards
renege!. Still, I make no charge against Lord
Malmesbary, but when I hear It said that his presence
in the Foreign-office is a security fee paw, I cannot
but wonder where can be the daps that believe
each things. (Laughter.) Further, it is mid—
no
account being taken of the seccesion of the two right
hoe. gentlemen opposite from office, or of the public meet-
ing. which have been held against the proposals in the
government bill—it Is mid, as a last resource, that I must
have souse party ere personal object in view. (" Hear, bear,"
from the ministeriel side.) That obeervatios cams from a
person from whom I might have expected more
charity, If not mere justice. (Cheers.) Bat it is
my duty not to attend to such • sharp. (Cheers)
It is my duty to take the comae which I think is best
adapted for the welters of the country. (Heir, bear.) It
cannot be denied that for many years I have taken a deep
leveret in this question. (Cheers.) Long ago—so long ago
I eon sorry to say u 1819—I was occupied in this house in
a laborious and irksome tuvegthatios into the bribery and
corruption which prevailed In the borough of Orampound,
with • view to its disfrancithement, and transferring the re-
preeentation to heels, which was then unrepresented. I
propoed even then that the tan pound Pose-
holders of Leeds should be entitled to the franchise.
That proposition, the hon. member fur Birminghent says,
crested as great alarm at that time as the proposition to go
below the 101. houreholder now. But from that thee to this
I bare constantly taken the deepest tat-mat in this question,
and I have prometed every measure which I thought tended
to a free, fair, and pars repreeentstioa of the people in par-
liament. (Cheers.) lam bound, I think, to that coarse
which Is In molders with my own comic:Von, and I may
Le allowed the privilege to do so by my deep conviction on
this subject. (Hear, hoar.) I have the satisfaction of
thinking that the act which I helped to carry in 1831 end
183 i has not been productive of thou calamitous comet-
quenees which were predicted by our opponents, but, on the
contrery, bas been productive of great benefits to the country
—benefits otitaami not by bloodshed or civil me, bat by
peaceable and tranquil dieusion in parliamest. (Hear
bear.) Shire that time we have bad slavery sholiehed, the
tithe gumbos—which created such disunion between the
clergy and their parishioners—settled, the municipal corpora-
Cone reformed, great reductions of customs and elm.: duties
which pressed heavily on the people—we have had protection
given up, end free trade siusettoned by the assent of pries-
tliest—there and many other advantages have flowed from
that ref am of parliament which we were told youth be so
fruitful is eelemitous and &oestrous results—which was to
take the crown from the Ring's bead, and shake the pillars
of the orate. (Hear, hear.) Having there convictions, sad
seeing what his been done, I cannot view without alarm the
proposition before the Imam I have endeavoured to ell al-1
tens to the two main deformities of the bill. If
the I#ll shalt continua on the table tt ought to be discussed
Is every shape till, if not immediately, it be totally rejected
by the house. I skill take this part careless of any imputa-
tions that may be out on me. (Cheers.) With regard to
this question of reform I may say I defended it when I was
young, and I will sot &seen it whom I one old. (Cheers.)
The question having been put,
Lord STANLEY, atm reminding the hones of the reso-
lotion moved by Lord I. Russell in April, 1835, for the
purpose of displacing the puremeat of the day, and 'blab,
when that object was secured, was forgotten, observed that,