The Express.
London, England, 1860-06-08 00:00:00

lb. COWPIZ and be bed been eleimineiehoosendir.
none% and be thought the bill fairly amnia! outabeir re.
eenrommlatitea .
Kr. KODyritinard lie MILL
Mr. T.
bag aa tie Nedmilmiligaphall 114 ti= to a
Wen ineudies bleb
Mr. BOUVIOLIZ AM a MB whit wee to all
intents aid purpose, private bill, should mot have mul-
ti with the stesileg 'Ain for the nrillib.* private
Sir G. C. Long iseillp d whether this *.a the proper
time to take the oidenion. Tile MB dealt with the interests
of the crews, whisk alma a eight of property over
cerprirsandwportioed IM bed ~mod iWs bill. He ap
that in Amblers ft wail, llaalt with is the
maeteerr
eiswd by MU The if* lac. gentleman
wee * ill* to the objeetion of the right hoe.
moms the vanabar far Kilmereock (Mr. Bouvene) when
Kras. EliVarlitini abed Ile iliteelore whether it was
competent to the eight bee. solliemNl to addrem the home
tines the MIS IMO&
ILL odd dot miss i pledge wee given that as
Spam woad le preserved for the see and recreation of
pels riptides. be amid be dimmed to rent the farther pro-
of Ws
Mr. DUD= thought the objection raised by the right
bee. the wassbar for Kihnarnock was a very
t ono.
' J. DUKl=Stbet the bill ought to be rderrei
not to select bet to a committee of whence.
Lord J. BUIIIMILL hie right hon. friend the Bona
Lary for the Home Deponleteel bed no objection to the bill
lieLnLrefened to a Nemine of selection after the raced
Thel All ine tine reed meow! time, and upon the
notice of Si J Donn wee referred to the Oommit-
telt of Belson= Bab.

LOMN)X: CHATHAM, AND DOVER RAILWAY.
Er. RIDLEY brc up the report of the canteittee on
this bill. The the bill with the exception
what portion ef it vba irtthorised a junction with the
stal Ram

NATIONAL DEFENCES.
Six F. SMITH pea notice that upon the motion for
the adjournment of the home to-morrow he would
ask the Seorotory for War whether he intended laying upon
the table the report of the Gommissiosers on National
Defenoes„ and whether it was the intention of the govern-
ment in the present meeion to adopt any of the mons
ememialiene of the mid oormiwiee.
GREENWICH HOSPITAL.
Sir C. NAPIER pee mitres of his intention on the 19th
lent. to move that the hones aboukl, take into oomicle ration
wieb
tie report of lee eceemiedensee who eat to inquire into the
managesoint cd Ctreen
OAHE OF JIMIIitUMPORD.
Mr. T. DUNOOMBE asked the of State for the
Home Department, if his attentiou had been directed to
the petition of Jews Muntford, • isboerin; man, of Per-
shore (presented on the 31st May), complatning of the We-
forcibly▪ and outrage perpetrated upon hia wife, in having been
forcibly reeouveved after ten weeks' sheen**, and in defiance
of the wishes of himself and her relatives, to the !lactic
asylum of the county of Worcester, and what steps be hed
taken in
Or G. 417.Mtice.esid some time ago • memorial had
been mot to him ia reference to this ors, which be for-
warded to the Onomisisioners in Lunacy fur their report.
They invearlipted the cam, and obtained the az-
plauation of the medical officers of the asy-
lum. It appeared that the woman was • private
patient, and not a criminal lunatic. The onimissiooen wen-
d opinion that the treatment of the woman was proper, and
that there were no mooeds for censure. It appeared that
the woman was in • decided state of insanity; hot had
improved SO touch in health that she was permitted to go
out on trial for • limited time. At the end of that time an
awl,,aton was made for her return to the sisylunir which
she disregarded. Means were then taken to remove her
back to the asylum, when she was found to be in a most
filthy and neglected Mate, and requiring the treatment.,
which she was now receiving.
THE REFORM BILL
_ _

Mr. BLAKE asked the Ser:vestrylot State for Foreign
Affairs whether, in the event of a measure for the amend-
'acne of the rtpresentation of the le qw during the
present session of perliament for tad alone, a dissolu.
Soo and election for Great Britain and Ireland
would tars gees, to be followed by elections in Scotland and
Ireland on the peeing of the hula for the amendment of
the re station of the people for those countries
Lod J. larillißLL maid he could not exactly comprehend
the redo meaning of the hon. gentleman's question. But
Weise amid tell him, that DO dissolution of parliament
sari lake place without the exercise of the 're of
the row. Wheaever the prerogative of the crown was
eserdash, sod her Majesty wee advised to dissolve parliament,
Ohio then would
ftbe en electi
eAkeonhter.) for Ireland and
el well se far IsiL (L
POOR-LAW BATING. •

Mr. P. WATLIWOTON seised their;ident of the Poor-
law Sued wheeler the Melemiltmal letter from the Poor-
law Cesembeimma I. paresidel, oMcere, dated the 21.'rel
of 15... UN, bed over hem withdrawn, or whether the
=WGeweidming estimated rental as the land-
rest, the aad tenant respectively paying
Miele own proper elmirpes, prevailed in opposition to the
laelrnetisms aerobe (laniard ?
Mr. VILLIFirri said, ta answer to the drat part of the
question, the inatraetiowel letter had never bees with-
drawn. He was set aware, however, that the letter
had any further salberity Una the expression of the
opio ion 'of the 00111111M11111000111 at the time. The chief
°hint of the teeter was Windiest' to the parochial officer' in
what way they should estimate the property which they were
to 11111114111111. So ilk/ that letter wee quite clear, for it stated
that the gross rental was to be calcadated after the deduction
of all charges incidental is:oldie owner or occupier. He
believed, however, there was • reference in that letter to the
gross redid which seemed to be at VIllialle• with the mower
which he (Mr. Villiers) had gives upon • former occasion.
Mr. BRADY seldom the noble lord the Secretary of !Mate
for Foreign Affairs had, to the question put by tie hoe.
manlier for Waterford, not given a very clear answer, he
I wished to put • question, clear and distinct, with the ohjeet
of getting a Jadeite reply. (Hear, hear.) In the event of
the Engluth Reform Bill being passed into law, and no simi.
lar bills being passed into law for Scotland and Irelend,
would it womanly follow that • dissolution of parliament
would tak, place before similar measures .1 reform (maim be
Ipassed for Scotland and Ireland! (" Hein," and laughter.)
Lord J. RIJKIELL said he could amours the bon. scutle.
moo that be had Garnered the question put to him ill the
best way Le could. He was by au means sanguine that he
could make the matter clearer. The hoe. member asked
whether it • reform bill were pawed for England • dissolu-
, ties would necessarily take place. Now he bad slated that
so diroistioo could take place unless by the exercise of the
prerogative of the crown. The parlisment would out
asesseardy be dissolved nE the passing of •• measure.
Therefore nut mail Int Ma y had been so advised would
• dissolution take place. if that advice wee given then
• dissolution would produce • general election for tioothiad
and Ireland m well se for England. If the hoe. gentlemen
wished to know what advice would be given to her Mi,esty
.sold only say that at present be could give him no
answer. ('' Hear, hear," sad laughter.)
Mr. IL BAILLIE "Mid beak the noble lord whether he
could state to the home definitively that the Irish and
Scotch hills would he withdrawn for the present 110.1. •0.
I Lord J. RUSSELL said at the end of the delete this
evening he would state to the house the ours which the
goverumest would pursue.
_ THE REFORM BILL.

Oa the order of .I;ed.yioqti;adiourned debate on the
Representation of the People Bill for England and Wales
being put,
' Pb, .3 . FEW:US...4OS, who had • utilise on the paper of
'an enienduient to the Beet that the house -du sot
go into committee on this bill until after
the eipoond madams of the Scotch and Irish bill,,
said that in commoisoce of the advice which he had re-
ceived front the Speaker, he did mot intend to take the step
which he had proposed, although be believed the course
tikes by the goverment wan most uspreceilealled and un-
euisatitutimal. Instead of moving thimniendinent of which
he had given notice, he would move that the debate be ad-
journed, is order that the goverment might, though in an
indirect manoer, so far ae they could, retrace theirstipa
Colonel DICILSON, as nipreemitative of as Irish con-
stitueocy, felt bound to support the motion, but
also disclaimed say party or factious object.
He did not wish it to be undo stood that he wee enamoured
of the present Reform &IL What he oomph/1W of was
that bau fur Ireland sod Scotland should not be intro-
duced pan paws, and that the house should not have an
owortunity of discuming and deciding the one with the
others. Ifs would nut now delete than, by discussing the
clauses of the Irish bill, but ha mum say be thought they
were totally unworthy of coosideratiou.
Sir O. GREY said with the experience of late years of the
premium of badness on the government, he very much
doubted whether the best mode of securing a full and
ample consideration to bills of this kind would not be to
attempt km in one session. (Opposition sheen.) U this
bill should be postponed according to the desire of some
hon. members opposite sod takes op again at the beginning
of mixt session, accompanied by bootch mid trish bills, there
would be much leas clams of a due consideration of the
rksoch sad Irish bills than if parliament had missend to the
bill fur Eugland,and then,guided by that &meat, had proceeded
to the consideration of the bills for Scotland Lad Ireland.
He believed that course would be most conducive to
the sad professed to be antertairred by some gentlemen,
but of this he was sure, that if they were to adjou. n the
iiiir coosideratimi of the bill— to day he really did ip,t
know—the effect would bet to interpose an uletade
to its further magmas wi ilmicisi the boom to corns
to say decagon upon that quietism (Hear, bear.) He
behoved that many member, of the boons were honest
'rellermiers, and he could understood the feelings with which
they regarded the diflicolty that attioded the progress of
the bill during • session in which an untamed ponies
if their tune had Hai asomearlly ocenpied with the dis-
c:B,Mon of unsocial mossitsss of extraordinary
=,,, and Importsoce but he could not
d humourable gentlemen preheats; themselves
delirium of seeing the reprosestatios of the people
outmoded, and yet leading themselves to them dilatory sod
obetrestive mottoes. ((tear, hear.) With regard to the
imentioa .4 dissolution, he would only say that if the pre-
rogative of the mows were 0:e at any MOM it would
only operate upon the constitoencies which by the existing
law were caraids of electing meinhers ; sad if the present
bill penned before the close of this year, it Wadi( he abet,
Irately beeessary that many tomtits should sips before

:DA'

the complatioa al the aim zegialcatioia under tbehill. He
not sed tbel no dierelelliep would take piece, but if is
malt vrig merely set on the misting oceatituenty, red
that would -*Mins to ha the cam until towards the
elms ef nazi year. U the bill pare' in the
pie mein haw would • have ample time
asideio 6lemeures of the mete nature affecting
ftesllted sad Beiaed before the new registration was com-
pleted Fie therolonesahic i,ad the Muse would not encon.
rage then mediene, were eery attempts to delay
the tell, liunlE a mem more 17y ite cha-
racter, and weld enable them to better with
the could molls deceived by he profane*
ri=*sem were ameempanied. (Chan.) He
mined the home if they redly wished the bill not
*be delayed forte° et One pen* *press an opinion to
that dint by a &let and Inenellignms vote, and not to
lend themselves te • matins whose only object was to
admits reel and salutary amendment of the repreeentatioa
of *s es•
Lord 3.IELT, rose for the purpose, aot of adverting
to lie epee& ef the right hos lamest, so far an it was
made he stagy to that of the he.. gentleman the member
turee=bal of considering the answer it gave to the
speech of the boa. and t gentleman the
amble fer Ayrshire. Tie algid hem r,net assumed an
air of Injured ussamere, and mid lie motion of the hon.
ad gallant gentlemen was away et device togdaty the
gems of the bill. The Heal bee. liammetnoopsot
Hest so farm that side of the hams was ooneerned so
sarendment proceeding from::
shad ham put from the
ask It was Ism that two im amendments had
been submitted to the of the hocum,
cee by • the chains* of oommittese, who was cer-
taialy not, cionneeted with the party on the opposition
side ef the house ; the albs. by an lion. gentleman who, in
mak* it, said it was the pride of his life to be the devoted
follower of the made bed r tha head of the government.
Yet the right lea. bones MGM look across the table
and talk of motion leteeded fetid* sad procrastination
when he knew as well as any man in the house that those
, who were most anxious to defeat the bill sat on the benches
i immediately behind him. (Opposition cheers.)
Sir E. COLEBEOOKE oonaidend that the interests of
Scotland had not been fairly consulted in the redistribution
of seats proposed by the bill, but when the house went into
committee the Scotch members would have an opportunity
of makiug an appeal to English representatives on that
subject. With • view to the further advancement of the
muse of reform, he thought that the beet course for him to
panne was teeioiSiL,ort to the government. •
Mr. LONG hoped the house would adjourn
able die the ef the English Reform Bill until
the whale gamed* of redrem could be dealt with.
Xi. INGRAM had beard with regret the statement of
the noble lard the Tasishat tar the Cityo of London, that he
WM.
relt°6l. to IL, Bt. 1.1176111. e thought'x.ng
anytllien fr".
rese
from 61. would effeenaDwy destroy the value of the
mm; and he would rather see the whole question peat-
posed until another year than that such a were** should
be made. He else thought it would be moot objectionable
to alter the franchise from a rental to a rating franchise.
The workbag dames were hilly entitled to the provision
made for them In the bill, and tf any alteration were made
instead of settling the question, the measure would simply
give rise to renewed seneatiou.
Mr. WATLLNOTON sew no reason why legislation should
be premed forward, considering the total absence of feeling
throughout the country in favour of the bill.
Mr. ALCOCK admitted there was great apparent
apathy in the country on this subject, but he thought
tW apathy was not to be attributed to any deficiency
of interest in the minds of the people on the great
subject of reform, but rather to the superabundance
of confidence which the people bad in the pledgee and
wee of the noble lord in reference to this bill.
If however the country should find that the govern-
ment bad turned their back upon the question, or that the
House el Commas had interposed between the comely
and reform, he wasocevinced that the greatest exciter,*
would follow, and a dangerous amount of just indignities
would be *premed. He did not believe there was any
doubt ha that hones m to the propriety of a 101. franchise ;
but he hoped that a 81. hemline would be
adopted, because he believed it would enable tke
themselves to take a more active part in the to tale
the country, inasmuch as they paid as much in the ?se of '
taxes upon tea, sugar, tobacco, and malt, as was by
the owners of property by the income tax. For own
part he weeperfectly satisfied with this till, and was most
anxious that it should be passed.
Mr. C. BRUCE was disposed to think that if the govern-
mut withdrew the bill, that would not in say degree teed
to create that indigestion throughout the comity which
the hon. gentleman who bed just eat down imagism& Ha
weesure, with regard to Scotland, the people there would not
go into mourning when they beard of the withdrawal of •
reform bill for that country.
Mr. BAXTER could not eupport the motion of
his hon. friend opposite, nor could he separate that
motion from the raisin policy which bad lately
been pursued by the conservative petty
g
in their repeated attempts to interrupt
liminess of the house. The great conservative party were
seeking to stop the Reform Bill from being passed, but they '
had sot the smallness to come forward and attempt to do
so Misdirect warmer. He did hope that if it were found
that ao progress could be made this mission, there would be
so aseemity for twinging in three bills, but that they would
be able to deal with reform for the three kingdoms in one
bill. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GEORGE said that, notwithstanding the hon. member
for Montrose hsd thought proper to Impute to every conserva-
tive member a desire to obstruct public business, he should en-
deavour to state his opinion upon the subject before the house.
He believed that them ought to have been one united bill,
and then hon. members from all parts and sitting on both
Bides could have expensed their opinions upon it. As it
was intended to postpoes the bill for Ireland to another
esesioe, he was entit.W te state that he thought it a very
unfair ' . (Hem.) He did not believe it possible to
legislate for E by itself without indirectly affecting
the representation of Ireland, and he was inclined to think
that it would be bettor to give England a trenches of 121.
and 81., as it existed in I than to give to Ireland a
101. and a a franchise, ma w be the case if they dealt
with the state of the English franchise alone. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. PEASE hoped the house would take some action
upon this question. He bad been for thirty years ac-
quainted with the working dames, and he was prepared to
say from the knowledge he had of them that eves if this
bill were to add 350,000 new electors to the constituencies
that inspired him with no alarm whatever. (Heat, her.)
The right hoe. member for Hertfordshire asked what the
working dome knew about Chia*, and how was it possible
for them to elect members to parliament to decide on
Chimes. questions. He could only my that the working
classes with whom he was acquainted were capable of form-
* en opinion on such questions, and he had beau askedduri lig
his lim:imam to 'Welds opinion of the English government
in permitting the sale of opium. They called upon the
working classes to bear a portion of the taxation of the
o, and to fight their battles abroad, aud on these
grounds
he thoiOt they were fully entitled to the posses-
non Cu the elective franchise. Their numbers had greatly
ineremed ; why, therefore, should not a greater number be
called in to share in the privilege of returning member. to
parliament? (Haw, hear.) After the promisee which had
bean held out to the working classes by successive govern-
manta, he thought it was greatly to be deprecated if the
house were te separate without meeting their just claims.
He believed the member st the working classes was onuill
who would sot belt for representatives is the educated and
higher ranks of moiety. He hoped, therefore, the house
would not *danger its • and the confidence which
the country reposed la It poetposing the consideration of
this question. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. STIRLING mid the quad* which the hon. gentle-
man who jest letdown had deemed was not the question
before the house. The hon. member for Montrose (10.U.61
his aide of the house with distracting the progress of the
bill ; but, ma far as he could Judge, the obstruction came
quite ea much from the °therm* (Hear, hear.) The hon.
gentleman asked why the notice had been postponed so
long. But the hoe. member for Montrose was to a great
extent reepenaible for that, as he put • motion on the paper
asserting the claim of Scotland to • greater extent of
reform, and he did not know tat last Monday that his me-
ties had base withdrawn. (Hear, hear.) With regard to
the claim of fluidised, the were four counties in
that country, namely, Lanarkshire, Ayrshire, Mabee, and
Perthshire, which on the ground of population and propertywere not ;dimantely represented. He also thought that
the univenities of Scotland ought to have at least two meni•
bare. (Hear, hear.) He was quite astonished to hear the
Foreign Secretary stating the other night that there was no
legislating this year for England and postponing
411 the following year for Ireland and Scotland.
M'S".".'tatenterit had been well met by the right bon. geutle-
man (Mr. Disraeli). He did not wish to see the 150 mem•
ben el haw, and Scotland forming* sort of rump perilo-
us's.* awl legislating for the whole country. He dui not
wish to see them having to deal alone with the deficit which
would exist next year, and it may be with a European war.
He therefore hoped the bon. member for Ayrshire would
divide the haves. (Hear, hear.)
The LORD-ADVOCATE understood the argument of Sir
J. Faroe* to be that there should be but one bill for the
three enaateise, sad that, this being an English bill, none
might to be *seed; but he thought, on the contrary, that
every aloft should be used to 'pea the English bill, and if
there was not time to pus the other bills this session, they
weld he introduced early the next; the objections eau-
fagtd ap mpuut this wane were mere bugbear.. The
teem eo not discuss ell the three bills in committee
pert pasta, but might help the government to settle the
details of the English bill, and there might then be limo to
pus the other bills this maiden. Ho proceeded to defend
the bill, and especially the coneasesou. made to the working
dames, ridieeliog the idea that it would open the floodgates
of democracy aa a delusion.
Mr. WHITESIDE remarked that the question was wha
ther the government, having proposed a measure consisting
of three parts, as noritainior together • scheme of parka-
meat any niterm,aed letting it remain in the same position for
several months, we at Warty to make two of the parte
disappear. Why, he asked, had three bills been intruducod?
No doubt, because it was necessary to settle the whole
question and deal with the entire representation et oboe.
In this the government were quite might ; but, if so, they
were quite wrong in withdrawing two of the hills earl ma
ceediag with aely oas. He meld understand their insisting
apse pressing all the Line, or withdrawiag all sod pciele
posing legislation till another time, but he could not under-
stand their reason for `two of the 1411. and endea-
vouring to squares the English bill in tlle iaouth
' of June.

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