The Express.
London, England, 1858-05-11 00:00:00

(Stamped id. AdditimmL) CT WOPENCE.

bat be nailer *mint dr misled wee wird to the Koh
distal einntermase al Ida not lon vine arrived la time to do
ow It we windy aimelool st tie tire diet Btr Sorge
tJaityll would take tie oaths es mesa as be d eloper-
At doe sere tire, be towebt dr prbedeasisatr
sulk-
rad, avow to *dry tee ham insabsr r Finsbury is
peeposiog diet Berea Itotbsebila drain be added to dr
cosraittes, sad if the how. meather proud the quad= be
should certainly vote Ida its. (Mara) Be aft"
however, that it nook' ken bra tore settreseso to the
boar tt notice had been gives el the progistidea. (Bar.)
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Sir J. PAKINOTOR than& the grasetka hod bass
treated with the moat pallet Menem by Ms right hon.
friend (Itr. Walpole) Whatever were the opinions ed ba
gentlemen se to the question of the edmissioa of the AMPS to
whereon; he believed that none desired to interfere with
their legal tights, end if Berm Rothschild had a lsgearhtla
to sit on a committee he believed the gonseslat the
bones would be In accordance with the view ex lq his
right hem Meted. There was eansiderabh about
the question, as it turned on the eemeknotion of a preoodent
with which the rest body
silleeted of_temnbers of the home could
not be to be ecued. He tensed as a matter el
blew that the boa. member kr Piny would net signet
to the p stpmement of the garden till to-morrow. (Hem)
Mr. WARREN rose as a Mad el Boron Rothschild to
evr, a hope that a little more thee would be allowed for
the consideration of the nestner. (Laughter, and cries of
littoh.") He would adrift Bores Rothschfld's friends to
the position in which they were about to place him
azeter)—and to examine carefully the nature of the
which might attach to him. (Rear, bear.)
Lad PALMERSTON recommended the hon. member for
Phl to yield to the suggestion which bad been thrown
out, cut more time for consideration. (' No, no.")
Wt. T. DWtCOMBE said ha nth 'thee that the
eseuthlee lemebl
(Whim them trill of Ileums is
the pew, be should have given of lehealles to
}repthe name of Baron Rothschild. The resektion of
the boner in the cam to which be had reined yeeperthealy
earn on the subject ; and all be WWI es bath tit ds nee to
permit Baron Rothschild to at en the comdellea slough,
es was the cam with Sir I. Jekyll, be bad net been ewers by
the clot at the table. (Churn)
Mr. MELLOR trusted the home would not set nobly in
a matter of such haportanoe, but adjourn its consideration

until to-morrow.
Lard H. VANE miggeeted the propriety of taking the
sdiopet late ecesideration ea a matter of privilege at half-past
her ersaanew. (Hear, bear.)
air J. SHELLEY oosourred in the suggestion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that
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th;Feb;ie be adjourned until halt past four to-morrow.
The mottoes wee then put and agreed to, and the debate
wee adjourned aeocedingly.
The Stamp Daty on Drafts Bill wu considered, as
witiaded, ma ordered to stead for third reading.
Oa the motion Ey going into Committee of Supply,
Sit J. TRELAWNY ailed attention to certain plunges
in the eeldanos of a witness examined before the New Zea-
land Loin ettasuntee Committee last year, and also to cer-
tain deellny with the natives of that colony for the sake of
their Leda.
The SECRETARY for the COLONIES replied and ex-
*hied ; and, touching the treatment of the natives, re-
marked that all ceatrol on that subject had bean transferred
some time since from the home to the local

eabitct.
Atter gimme further remarks from Mr. Lebowthere, Mr.
Adderley, Sir H. Wllloughlzopp,Me.ri C. Fortssese, ma soots
other members, the subject

THE AEHT.

Sir W. CODRINCitoII add tha. the army being no•
Vary-lt wee canpand of et beet 200,000 leggy
amebae of recruits regebeel yearly mei mar
be vary great. He should way that et hot
SO, as would be maimd le met the oral
cesesities, which wen sow iseweally
_heavy, w
eacouat of the number of tam me bed the Ids
Now he west say that the pram& system fad wee
wilting bat estiebriory. Mat were Weird lota
tbessofies.al nem= wwe adopted wilt lbst view
=at be espeded el Mille thialbesagmble and air.
doled, whitewall le he i het 6 Whoa, or
eves het $ bedne. bed bees marl le list 3 Was% la
order be M levies replied Ito India ; bat It ha
abet bees ha 6 ten 4 Whoa This redeelew
at bed a abet wpm the ANION, cd the amble;
hr MIR trout the egrieeltwel distalete, IWA
lid the regiments with recruits fees Ibe Yeast deem el
▪ gnat Myna thought it would be well to meet to
Ihe
aid pada el is
simile sail tewes.netr=theigli=ose=
rho pant pima 71,1:4 steed lbws Sir ameba
N4o3l3•Whe wee alma
mildea:elbeelftlagdif-
lhowitenelxibitsgefe, be Asa swam et
e.here preested beeping up albs maw
Ihwe wee w WEI& of the service beeelddist
dna maw etas beeelleg eat of a was it weeirreShiret
this ; bet ewe wee ewe ape which the safaq
of the army mere amid. alma boor.) H.lt
would be &Mr «abet whet sweideel and Mesh& the
camp et Altlarehott, where It wield Imply a so* weeded
went in the asses of lastreelles the my. Awl" he
thought the eabstitatics of oeffterareilane hair sews el
the commisesriat :ice The amobeerili Own
woe edifier, welii4 eierweeded Ilepreel
awl Ibis wide el the eeeseale wee eke* of low
telly Wm the NW Zee fwsbetattheeutdbglK
the eeseple the Older wee 4.M01, VIISIIIIS
Mier Iht semmineitt dams «wadi wily_ beim bra
bar Apia. b• heed that these wee well.lo term
he weft flaw the bahalehede ememlip
• wysie.-Now it heti eirezteriewipswes)
tia duty wee wise
by ear 'Wien, sad eves it the =deer
°Mara He Ibeaght that Wit INV eel ask winfoolew
alas that the proceeds should be empessa Mimesis MS
combats of the soldiers. (Hoer, bese.)
Mr. MONSELL referred to a Malmo. el Guaira Pest,
to the ethot that faith must be kept with We Add et
Canbaltan, sad that it would entail a esadieelil aggemee
apes the pulite. He (Mr. Mansell) Woe" bogs. that
fel* tat& be kept with the puNio without way GM, by
global to the present pupils, when they arrived el paper
age, reredos to the Woolwich Academy by a pmeamml-
- without subjecting the Ile any competitive Net.
(Hear, hear.) Formerly, webs ate pipes et Woohrldi were
boys, there might be no impeapsieljr
_Wens eft lbw et dm
sleeping in one room, but wow ewe Soy we raft INS
it was most desirable that each ANY have m 110•111 «hirer
self, and he hoped, therefore, tbst the gaud gentleman
would Auk for a small vote for that perm
Colonel KNOX concurred in the eligasellea at the st
hoe. gentleman; bat why had he aseldiewifeeledi view
Sir F. SMITH greed in what bed bea be two
last speakers. He thought It owl Medi Asia& mi.
sent should have what might be WWI • Wits, and be
Whom, the Mobs' as Westrelink Op sanstrai of that
system. Rabe bitewif send at Alibeltell, habil always
Imo sise Ikea Lad Tweepel Cap lump the sin
thief tee thee to artpleb eliwelbw lbe elbows
end use la the art of
Calomel BOLDERO=III.es set reeweitable NW the
Mariam should be the Imearite corps of the es:Am A man
who =tared the sedge vat on board ship for three or four
yews, and whin be 'dyed to liegiesi be bed rem 601.
el pv maim Ha maid this piehess his dis-
mal woes- e some aril Waste with 4W. or 601.
rElßeeigaghwi ascaraideties et /redid* be Newswe-
Movies be wee there they widen pi Oak wwwidssiwee
Ow were skiable', end they tether paned the
efielelV eswegeng owe soon Shea etherithe. They
owl to see tepther Rai sake the jamb, wirshos tag for
thew ; sad dim bawl art this nosey wield go hither
Ole if the/ bed lived by Orr ism (A WO.)
Major WORTLEY was empolesd to hue the observaticee
etas gallant mime/. For his own part be hoped the alter-
ilea suggested at Woolwich would be seeds es soca es
=el PEEL said that everylliag which fell from the
(Sir W. Codnegwej would always meet with
eire riateeatlon; bet the past pseial must know
OM *ere was se wok peruse epee the Norniting
mile% Sew maid int mind « be tee psotiteler. Jaw
previa. Who bessideg or of the dry, the British easy
was is nod member 167,000 thug, end thew ewe he
India Itmlfliger solmate of saveity, wad bratty. hue laths-
bons of hiedef. At siprest restest Ste Orel
British Mee ensidei deal sseme
so thet ft bed bra reseery Is rim thew the prt
yew se toter thew 1111,000 eddllleael man ; sad there
wen new laMe 13 reeepto swag mid
bellellsee ad ideliy. Idol Om be asewwwy to
awl
$1 ibestatibilisieledilihweela et It tiwarY
awl $1 Wile= Braley. me._.4l=lbedtliskeny
.mad
.amidthey bed
eon of faller/ 01124WtisvalrYisesall4"."
nagasti Plietwmf *Pima tft:Tfrytki re-
Ole hie,' see-
weer treat Wit to We iswa Ihosember ef met wiled bed
not yet hem rebid ; bat es mph= bad bees ambled la
eight mostbe, be saw so reesaphsieeht that ewlsweeiii nor
be the ore. Me alma eiseeillee ware very heavy. Taring
them et the esd~aieser &Aft per, '
sees y, 12 par mat.plip,
dm, agog slll.olllllsesnils yes le lese
the areptb dos inty.lLS ideasestbeeidelesatherlo,4oo
in, Ain risiags to cammisee the Wavy eimenewle el the
army • awl it weal Ain weer that We leblionsber if
teeiwbsthetweell be wooled durhi dryer would be 60,033.
=bar.) the Wei inseam the sisadard hed how
to het Sleeks, is eider le l
pawl& troop ihr,
ladle, bet is bed Uwe shed spit le 11 hell 4. With
geed te the Connimehilt awl the Lewd
.spaws wee awe Wilma le he. ipeilirtrase
jaws lea estabilibereds et Ws dessetpliew ; Int be
peel feethwe y bra Ire the sable& He we pee-
else WM the ether selpeete which bed beta IMF
hared falis weelieethea He wee very glad to my
that spies bed beeralim width shit sold WO
with the studiste m= y
vlthewi elm upon% Woe
°pantry. The sceseiseisttes tree et Wester& real
receive elleatioe ; bet he would rink& the baste the et Ihe

tine ho aunt isto ernes the islotoainetion ems to tbat
thsectoinkl be removed to eandborst. Ohm.)
NORTH could not= saytesetng the
pet to lit that skean timid
have been disbeeded at a nnanni r=linth• may
BiledattO ma under the elavagni voted by parliament.
and than tnereine oldie may soused an inIZOIGOO
ri to the country, and wee meet intarious tothe service.
Cibense than went into ootitaithe en the

Oaths tat vote, 101,9771. for the depeatmente all the fle-•
enter, of State far War and the Commander-in-( ,
IS,. W. WILLIAYS complained of the lame way in.
which the adman* were plated bakes the house- Thin
trees competes& sums for three aseietent esemesties • what,
were they all to do ? He also band • lap salary of 9601.
pet down for the chaplain-general. What Wile the duties
of OW ohsplain-general P Wee he a kind el Whop over the
other eins
Glad KNOX said that when the War Dupertment was
re-argeedind, a pledge. was given to perliesaime that fall ex-
krashould be given el its exposes end memgement.
rver been doe, ; and they wise new paying treble
the meson in the Commeader-ht-ebdere degretingst ; sad
he eery wok doubted whether the basin= wee more effi-
ciently endueold. There were in reality four secretaries—
one asses ran sassed by the hot speaker ; there wee a mil
fmwt l-
the piseigtary ainillidifillierrl;icliPawrsali event Wm the war,
with mend upees:end distribution of theism. A.
onnuelmlee aught to be ted to Inquire late the whole
buslaws at the The relation of the Commentler-
in•Chlef and thalweg se dr War Department was not whet it
ought to be. (Heir, hem) With a military men at the
heed of the department rest was lees chance of • soillelosi ;
bat if • at SW IMO elk" groat allaahisa might
Ms
" be
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bola appoistskt
st lin Waft bawd • ahorwersto a slime we marls,
all agentwasia ens amedal mime aft wasammisalaa
=wed to as that he nothing of the reguiremmde of
Sir F. SMITH said that the duties of the dapsobasat
could not be performed with a smaller staff.
Sir D. NORRRYB referred to the state of the hones
(there were only came 26 roemben present) as evidencing the
culpable apathy of parliament on matters of national ex-
manure. He stated the particulars of a claim which had
been seat in to the War-once for the property of a demised
soldier, and said that a delay of Ni months had occurred be-
fore the matter was settled. This was highly discreditable to
the management of the department. The most lavish ex-
penditure was incurred in the movement of troops, wring to
she went of gringo and good management. He did not
biome the MA and pliant general now at the bead of the
de=t for this wasteful expenditure.
NORTH expressed surprise at the complaint of
the has. baronet. It was poseible, by application at the
War-oflos, to obtain at any time the tallest information as to
the death of whines, snd the property which they might-
have Ott.

ffir D. NORREYS reiterated hie statement.
After • /ow wad. from Sir J. TREL AWRY,
Colossi BOLDERO mid that the department Instead of
being too large was much too small. Three departmesta,
the army, onleence, and militia, formerly under three heads,
each resposstble to parliament, had been comolidated into
one; end the staff was not sufficiently large. At Weirton,
it henna, whose upward. of • million bad been spent in
lltW more Wm • year, the amend bed never been audited;
and it had now been neceinery to send down ears bobs kr
the purpose. All the advents(' pined by be anulgemation
hiatus en increase of expeaffitere. In 18M-63 the amount
of form under them depirtineate wee 118,607 men, end the
expense was under nee maltose. Now the tome was 100,000,.
and the expense was 11,500,0001. (Hear, beer.) Sell it
was inoufficient properly to condnot the bonuses of the de-
partment, and he banned that it would be mecesouy to add
another million to the estimates.
General PEEL said be would endeavour, when he pre-
Weadthe next animates, to meet the views of Ur. Williams.
of the staff being reduced, he was ocaviesed that it
most be ganged. (Hear, hear.) He relined to the ems
mutinied by Sir D. Norma, and said that miffing could
exosed the anxiety of the department to give the earliest and
meet eaddsotory imbrued°a In all such coma as that re-
hued to.
Ur. W. WILLIAMS repeated his question about the
three marbries.
General PEEL mid, the only answer he could give was
that the whole of 'hose offiaire were hilly employed.
tar Mr. WILLIAMS
wror mil
ry
d, it appeared thin was also • mili-
y earrespondiag u,
Mr W. CODRINGTON ride the offices was • meet
ceerons or, and the Wes were vary satin drill pr-
Colonel KNOX was eatisded that good order sad method
would materially Mem the labour of the Wer-offre.
Colossi NORTH bore testimony to the anew of the
military corresponding secretary and others, and said that
there was not one officer too many.
The vote was then agreed to.
233,0001. for manufacturing cotablishrneets, military store-
keepers, and bamiok•mastas.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said it appeared that the estimate for
the manufactory at Enfield as 98,0001 or 97,0001., instead
of 66,0001. This was a great increase ; he hoped the produce
would be correspondingly large. The report of the commit-
tee of 1854 on the manufacture of email arms had recom-
mended that a debtor end creditor secount should be kept in
the government estebliehmests showing the cost and the
production. He had long been anxious to see this account
produced, sad hoped that the precedent would be followed in
other departments. At present the Weld amounts had to
he picld out from four or fee different pieces in the esti-
mate. It was too much that the home should be expected
to compile these accounts. In addition to the large Inman
in the Ruda expenditure, amend extraordnery Noss had
been introduced. In 1854, after the committee hed recom-
mended that the expense for the 'entailment at Enfield
should be limited to 34,0001., it had amounted to 150,0004.,
and bed since swelled up to 270,0001. or 800,0001. The m-
ums of the artificers had increased from 89,0001. to 84,0001.
It had been said that the employment of machinery would
divans' to a great extent with dffiled labour, end allow of
the subetitution of unskilled labour. The estimate was that
1,000 men costing 89,0001. would produce 160,000 muskets a
year ; but it tamed out that with an expenditure of 84,0001.,
only 60,000 untabses were probes& (Hear, be He
made no charge against the managers of the Wahment,
but it was evident that they were still obliged to employ a
greet number of skilled labourers, w the some trade
were deprived of their best workmen. As the sts ether
at Enfold wee the same who inspected the arms sent in
from private establiehments the latter were pined at •
disadvantage. The intention of this bobs was that Rabid
should act as • competitor to the gun trod. The heed of
the Enfield establialumat was naturally interested in its sato-
oess. Bat it was not fair to the arms trade that • person in
such a pontion should be the judge of the arms prodoesd by
the trade. Let the arms be eond by some officer who
was not connectedthought with Wel& Tihatba wu a fair request.
The arm' trade that they peld • batter snide
than the Wahl establishment, sad all they wanted, ',there
was Si he eenmetftion, that thee sompeddm should be • fair
ob. Me theogitt the country skald not inn what wee
dne Mthe pa trade and their =shims ia thus ettliffionity
amd
Yes. MILL said the ratemegtowed that Wield ro-
amed ad 20,000 muskets last . The par would
pperinea 50,000 and ,oroo. The not of a rib
made at ReSid was nadir 31., whereas those ands at Bir-
mdmphma net 31.65. or N. en The Idsle mob between the
pes efirldi sad Bbudechus wee, es ho sothesloari, all
kwar of the US* pg. The posseerty ads by the
ell)ll2=rtalip=Va"aiti atesnsibla °With at 11
ars;
asperteteat at Weld woe therelbre sentessild.
He °unnerved in thaiiitemzideb was due to the meioses
sad wortmoss of but he did not disk=
pa beds waddle by the sishliamest at
Our& PM \spud his ha*. Mend w ailbil the
&wits abodeshm sad Rabid toe sSi ea and.
He did not halve thst 11/IndAsia would be inbred by
Rabid. There was at present tyrif work for both. The
rise at the Wild Mk was . 10e. Old., that of the Lon-
be and Illowlsohout trade was 21. lee. 31d. But then wee
ogler.
LAU aim the eiloldsorstage that the *out al the an made al
We eue
Mr. IfEWDIGATI veld that erme of the muskets which
were not from Birmingham and bid at the Tower very
suety iatsrobanged with as& ottnr ass
_ embed was the
work, although they were not _ lo do an. What the
ben wilamese said was, mat That klentrbait7 could not
be estebildted, bat that dm wagons se would not be so
print eat iserieg as does ask by bred Maar. With
roped Si the Mimeo of pies, hs He slily sey Oathsatosm.
Awoulass, who sheds very am alike, had sot asetesdell ha
=alder Leo re cheaply as the ji M rides were mid Is be
side. He was sore that the trade would avail themselves of
sa lisdeM
lishrimatilt odd that the hip► were madeVisti:=Soll beds
esattssed mite gene by hod, whams et thay were
Eerie by seshilmoy, sad-this predated the Millorseaa lapis*.
ivory moserstesenses waa item it the posearioast le the
rasWelt, 14th • Tim to Omsk se se
ps the eatabilalunot 4116/0-
Mr. W. WILLIAMS was Win M aseems that the
MillaUsse between the cost of yams weds Is the wan-
met astsbiblassat and ledleidels wee oorreot.
'Rost vessel the semi rswtl, but the broa guitimisa who
Wet lug uglitieul the mem There ware homealw ser-
ve mak et Law, M. Edam, sot Ober doelpyleols. Re
*NM Me b lam the cease of
Won I'3lll and that than warocestraati Made dedes
the telbri.a.....ldatt em net yet cousylated. In one helm*
W less dileousd, and 10,000 la asillhor,
Ibill4ll4Ww—et bookies torudt.
Pod KIM= said that euserloasals had beta ads
1.11/4=vbetroyo 0 OM
115%se,'morat' the rend
ZIA 011 WS" struck a tariet Iltot Mop at a dos
OM pods. Ms Weld ride, at 600 yen., eted•zraz
sway eel the Whitworth, et 800 yards, equalled the