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London, England, 1860-07-18 00:00:00

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PAPER DUTIES REPEAL BILL

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Lord FERMOY moved that the rejection by the House of
Lords of the Bill for the Repeal of the Paper Duties was an
encroachment on the rights and privileges of the House of
Commons ; and that it was, therefore, incumbent upon this
house to adopt a practical measure fee the vindication of its
rights and privileges. The noble lord having apologised for
introducing a subject of so mach importance at so bite an
hoer (half-pest 11) promised to detain the house but a very
short time. (Hear, hear.) Whatever might be thought of
the subject within, there was a strums feeling el indignation
oaths subject out of doom. (Derisive share.) He meld
pobt in support of his statement to 11101/1.0011 meetings
held in different parts of the country praying the house to
take some steps to vindicate its privileges ; sad be
challenged hon. gentlemen opposite who cheered
to mention a single one at which it had been held that the
Lords were right. Petitions in favour of the course indi-
cated in his motion had been presented with at least •
hundred thousand signatures ; and there had been a meet-
ing of delegates, attended by deputies from Manchester,
Liverpool, Birmingham, Olaavw Warringtoa, Bristol,
Norwich, Newcastle-on-Tyne, Oxford. and some 40 others
of the principal towns u the kingdom. And what did
these gentlemen my? In their fleet resolution they alarmed
that the home would be degraded if it gave its assent to the
base policy of inaction recommended by Lord Palmerston ;
and that such a course would be an act of treason to the
constitution. They further stated that no government
which followed such a omen would be worthy of the sup-
port of the liberal party ; and they said that it was the
duty of the ministers, if necessary,. .to dissolve parliament, '
mediated to the country. (Opmention cheers.) Next they
returned their thanks to the Wight Hon. W. E. Gladstone
--{decisive cheers)—for his noble defence of the constitu-
tion—(loud kughter)—and they relied with coolideme
upon his promise to do everything in his power to secure the
rights of the Home of Commons. (Rmewed laughter)
Such was the opinion of these gentlemen, and as such it
was entitled to respect. (Hear.) Then there had been the
election for Brighton. (Load laughter.) If all these things were
not a sufficientescume for his oondact in bringing forward the
motion, he might appeal with com&lence to the lasiguans,
in the house itself, of the Chancellor of the Exchequer sal
the Foreign Secretary, and he felt warranted in saying that
whatever might be the fate of his resolution, it would re-
ceive the sanction and @tippet of a large najority of the
people out of doors. (Hear.) He (Lord Fermoy) might be
unfortunately suspected of being disposed to propose strong
measures on this question. But speaking for himself only,
as his resolution bound nobody, it was this. They knew by
experience, and in saying that he would add that the Lords
were not always in the right—it had been usual
when the two houses differed, if that home had adopted a
line, and the Leeds had refused to do so, to give to the
Lords • locos pesitentise, and to send the bill beck again.
He thought one of the best features of the way in which
the La* had rejected this bill was their belief that the
feeling of the eoantry was with them. (Opposition cheers.)
Now suppose the Home of Commons could show that alter
full and free discussion of this question, both iu the house
and out of it, the feeling of the country VMS against the
Lords—not rejecting this particular tax, but dealing with
the rights and privileges of that home—then be thought
that sending beck the tax pure and simple was the best
mode of dealing with tine question. (Hear, hear.) That
was the course which was adopted with regard to the
Reform Bill, the Roman Catholic Relief Bill, and the Jew
Bill. That would be a consistent course, and one which he
should be disposed to adopt. But he was told that the
Lords would probably reject the bill again. Well, then
would be the time to embody the repeal of the tax iii souse
money bill which the Lords could not reject It was not,
however, his business to point out to her Majesty's govern-
ment what they ought to do. If his (Lard Finns s) reso-
lution were carried, the proper persons to carry it oat
would be her Majesty's government. (Hear, hear.) Upon
their shoulders was the responsibility.
Lord PALMERSTON said that the noble lord could
hardly expect him to enter on the large question involved in
his resolution at that late hour. He did not quarrel with
his noble friend for attempting to record his opinion more
fully than had been done by the resolutions passed by the
house; but be would submit that, after the grave and seri-
ous discussion which then took place, it was Dot wise to
stir the question wain at the present moment. The house
might well be cosiest with the resolutions it had pissed.
The noble lord said that if the house agreed to his
resolution be woad throw epee the government the
'bility of cesna it into effect, and explaining his
nn intestines, 'leers and lam ter.) He (Lord
Pahaerstan) was a that the resolutions already
passed anfilciently asserted the rights mid privileges of the
hone% sad the err to which they might have recourse in
fetus to make good them rights and privileges. Ho would
therefore more the preview question, being of opinion that
bit noble friend bad not 'Mows the judgment which he
uneedirmow
thirintammks.and thee the home ought now to dacha* to
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Sir J. TRELAWNT said we were in the midst of • re.
volution set *pin by the ocuservative lords. This was •
=.l!s'aeons' the vitality of the Helios of 0011.115001/
lihear)--itad was the laagasoreif the noble lard worthy
al the leader of that banns P.lbsere.) He coropbsUed
of shout euwybotiersi the law& (Laughter ) He cola-
pla cif ned lama •d fir this regal* that he allowed
the Mina vote the main to eau to quietly. He
oltea heard in private that the sot& had in* 1 tury,'aml