The Express.
London, England, 1858-03-13 00:00:00

THE EXPRvss. SATURDAY EVENING. MARCH 13, 1858

belt of Ms pm It happened gist sins or to meths
I alp; aml el Immo that slom would yonder is most anxious
M pey ems, allemdsa to the podtke el time individuals.
But Ma sem an night& oa the part of the late gmarameat
in aettsrang to thew dromatancea. They wars salmitted
le the Invistiplisa owl is the decision of the law cams al
dm maws, and the mum of the government was Man
mordanee with the docidos of the law Alcor*.
They have continued, during this long period of
last math., to act uponthe opinion and by tha
advise el those high anthatiths. It was not • acne
at cursory opinion. The adman of the law Micas Wm
drawl to any inoldent that bon wearied to those trues-
mama; and Weld. It was the eanthensus end frequent
of the kw slows that =film the mat"
It is ass, • matter of policy
can bo changed by • dmgo of goverment ; it is •
matter of law. The goommasni deb has acknow-
!died the jurbilstion of the Idegdes ;re ite• dailies in
the instruchom whit& it bis acne me; sal ere ham bus
intsrbring in the mobilo kid .8n1" reg=
WO
Chidtowdamies IO
Wtime two
should have at neekkg the ef their
Madam and legal areise7- me rensetion is one of law, and
tot me of bailey ; and 1 have sot hoard from the hon. and
learned (Mims ono names why IPS AMU take it out of
the slaw bs width vo lbsol B. I snot presume
to give an °Mks on the lagslott=km. Bose may think
that the oottit which have thegomniniest ought
to preponderate. There arer opinions which may be
squally entitled to respect. All will agree that it is • moot
point of law; end therefore ell that can be dons M
that those who ham the masegamat of those Adze
should be Oki by the bpi destine white they bake
to be west sowd welleW This oak boar( se en
for On nessibe-die piddled= of the
tai=
the Two
&WM having his ecknowillgoi ben is int by the
English govomme-the trial pressedinm-antr=
interfered only ad far as the saslrhws wen
seems to us that we are foreclosed from opening this
We have admitted the jubilation; and I think hen
and leased yokowo is Meador header a false impend=
to
azg dot Ws was • um stair of peaty which
by • dewy of immoral Ido not
see that iL p7eessst of this country could
do more, la the geiYa in which this question finds itself,
than to tithe the meet Akins Wks to obtain for oar gator-
MAW conafrpmea (hear, hear)-end to
take can that wilds lie Is going on they should
that that they an sot by sheik country. (Hear,
Meg . ) Ing this Mee al clay las same the hour;
that her ifsjoity's govenumt ham not at all neglected it.
It woo the very drat thing to which we haw our attention.
Lard Milmashmy communisaild ismedistaly with • gentle-
man Mims far his ability and skims, who was oalsolatat
is way way to exorcise a wry Ilmslisid Mimeo IS behalf
Om countrymen, who harmed Is heat Reno od wee
linked to repair without low of dm Is Ywaer to investi-
=from the diet the whole of the pe wesdinge egeinst
two unfortimate individual,- to tokie
pnnestiso that that trial should be oestistd
with impartiality, and that they shonld wont so
mesas Doff aseistsitcs Is mincing tier Mime ;in sheet,
"le de ~yak( (I bikes I yes the leogenno of the is-
atractions) so =Wort and enki thew to ke Omsk hied
to which they ma imbjeolsr-(hear, her)-mad to ammo-
pay all this with as *kw • peak as posithi against any
daisy whatever la caning to • dribs is this cm. (Hear,
itspe lbe bran obi beak that, in the &dank
is which we feed Yds aide, we have done all-1
=ot say that cosdd ha done-bat ad that it was advimble
to do be the adeantapolthme two NM And I moat ea-
=re than • hop thatthem seartions will not be
that we shall me war ociamteman restored to Eag-
lets& and lard the and dMs tothappy Whir will not be so
mortifytag and to thweetal es the bk. and isented sonde-
m. thinks. The Immorefrie goadamon giamied himself
against say agpsmion whisk at thee askew might produce
enallemot sr swim belingeenswielie wards
the gemellalli I Nebo an enbeissly that he
"eke k that 'OIL las net OM kW the pukka of oar
nalbrtunate esuntrywen mold be benibed by am Martini
tram that seselety
wren, nonally Am le 'wigs rowers.
After all, what le eked /OW dm the geostion
law-what lie mame impudent thshamendisa as le sew
reign rights and Womb, awl whoa anthem the bebop
oldie esmay-fa, that we amid tha Mem el those
ter wsa, vet that they abseil eitsin I Mime Wile,
pat& maratinithea of Mir laneams, with e reef will he
facilitated, as &Mt, by tompseate aminsi sad =
language. Icm ammo the lume that the
the elleklea el the gronsneesh kir= as asses
csictilteepirel width IPS illE far Um lobelia&
that hobos to which they see alltied, and the *Waal= of
their character front that amp of mismiset of which I
believe them to be entirely isment. (Haar, Mar)
Mr. HEADLAM said that ens of those unhappy ma
was • eanatitneat of by wed he naturally felt a suing M-
imed In the ors. (Hear, halm) He, of course, admitted
the mon thaw of opoomosomat id not necessarily Is-
aiah any Maga of pulley, mil be did sot say anything of
rho penult air... et oh he oot say of their
poistowns. (Bow, how.) led he smilmed he had He-
iman& with soma idesaddesdsa to the statmomit that the
=pvinsmonit hal sinilind the
and
of the
ad Nag ast eansequantly the present go-
wenwent we ilia tekkg whet he conceived to
he the stempsd argowent in haw of these unhappy men,
naindp, • wogiele deka et the Jurisdiction of the Now-
lin marls. MOW, haar.) He felt somewhat alarmed lest,
between the ter emsmonts, the health. and the in-
hale door wantryee• should be endangered and destroyed.
last.) He had for some time taken the deepest
Is rite gendion. Like the late government, for a
hag lime he belleved, upon the facts that were before the
bows wed the sesatry, that the strict War of the law was
with the IfespMtan government. He bad thought that the
septum was hod -that the Neapolitan government had a
rigid to by dm men, and, es an Inca ent to that right, MA
• right to diia them in clutody. finch being supposed to
be this fee* dr duty of the government was limited to what
Ohs lete govonmeit had falellad-naraely, a mere iuggestion
that the triel should be a speedy one-en endeavour to obtain
justice when ft did corm on-and an endeavour, by re-
moartrance or other mods., to mitigate am far as possible the
hardships to which them men were subjected. Now the facts
appeared to be totally Minot. Ile understood from the
sewspripare that Mr. Lyons had boss directed to attend at the
trial, and to see that ;omit* was dom. lie doubted if that

was'euMcirett or edequate to the gravity ;f the occasion. He
believed that the truest worse to take for the honour and
dignity of the country, and the beet for those unhappy men
who had been now subjected to tea months of grievous perse-
maims, would be with firmnem and dignity to deny the right
of the Neapolitan tribunals to try them, end to claim in con-
junction with the Sardinian government that they should be
restored to their liberty and their country. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said if anything could tuitodsh him in
that hoc" it wee the language of the right hon. gentleman
on that ovadon—language which wee wholly unworthy of
• British minister. (Load chem.) Two Englishmen had
been seized unjustly oa the high ems, and subjected to tea
mouths of horrible imprisonment, and the government of this
country wets cognised of them facts. The right hon. gentle-
, man wee not answerable for what occurred im the first in-
stance. Ha (Mr. Roebuck) did not we whether them men
were taken In the Neapolitaa waters or out of them. (Hear.)
He should enhance his ome by /*yin they were taken oat of
thane, but he would say that even shaken la Neapolitan waters,
being Imairkenea,theyeleould dm deo protected by the power
and have bad a fair and immediate trial. '
(Hear, bear.) Bat what was the cape? They were not
tried, but camapied to • du where they were exposed
to horrible privations, and weed on—tamely looked on
—whilst the Neapolitan government committed them in-
d an Buglish subitie. (Eau, hear.) Bat the can
Ad not reit there, for were captured out of the Ned
pains waters. (Hear.) hen the Neapolitan government
attempted to my they were pirate.. The piracy wee
on the part of the Neapolitan government, and not on
the part of these men. (Hear, bear) They were going
from Genoa; they were seized, pistols pot to their heads, and
commended to do certain things. They did them. When
released they went back, and were on their way to Naples to
give information of what had occurred. They were taken
by the Neapolitan vessel, thrown into prison, and treated in
• way which wee • disgrace to • civilised country. (Hear,
hear.) All these facts came to the knowledge of the govern-
ment now ailing on that (the opposition) bench. Was any
done to vindicate the honour of England Nothing.
(Hear, hear.) Ws recalled our minister; we enacted
that farce. (Cheers.) What happened afterwards? Why,
two English subjects were subjected to this horrible
imprisonment, and there wee no one to watch
over their intereste. What should have been done

was this An immediate toteasge should have been sent
to the King of Naples, and he should have been told, sup-
posing these men were taken in Nespolitee waters,
These men are to be tried immediately, they are not to be
ill treated or *lived ; their health, thth• honour, their for-
tunes, or their reason are not to be endangered; they meet be
tried fairly and immediately, and if this Is not done—thawed
of sending Mr. Lyons, he would have sent Lord Lyese—
(laughter and hear, hear")—with a three-dsekerto the Bay
of Naples and within cannon-shot of the royal palace. (Hear,
hear.) That was what he would have dons. The right hon.
gentleman spoke of using satiable language. The amiable
language he would have used would have been cannon shot.
(Laughter and cheers.) They were told that—
" Britannia's march wee on the mountain wave,"
end that,
Her home use on the deep"
tint this would be tees so Loeser if these things wine to be
permitted. (Hear, hear.) When Spain committed an act
of °weed= sad temcleety se ea Englishman, he, believing
that ha. last hear wet one, Oar describing the horrors to
which he was eabjeated. commomded hie soul to God, and
to his emery. Re (Mr. Roebuck) laid on the
Pleertheas man that Union they west abroad, they want
greed with the pest mpg al their country over them, and
the sight walk the oaten as safety as they might
the floor of that holes? What was the worth of England's
navy, of England's soma or of England's power,
if they ware sot at protect English subjects
whoever they want P (Hear, hear.) These men were in
of peaceful°blob •; they did nothing contrary to any
purest
ad yet they were tented in tide creel way, and one of
tame lest-Ide enema Is conmegmeameof the enmity of• Nespo-
11=loommt. We shod by, ad wen told Da to nee
neadaltie angry When he
knew that icos= lj
hilleeranotrpsam lad been rendered
inn by the madatt at Napa.—(btar hair)—h• should be
ompealty at lie piallso as a Wish »prenatally' if he
Wad vies hi Tease mad say that, is whalever clime &o-
lden/a tat he, mad whatever government might be in
lams It teem the duty of and England's government
mil atm (chmidem.)
Ita IWART that it append to Ma that the

cambium of this case bed coma. rely changed, for it
was now clear that the Cagliari had been seised, not in
the *asses of Naples, but on the high sees. It was apes that
view of the ease that Count Carrier founded his and
dignified &match. He now wished to oak her )14em7's
government whether it was their intention to act with tae
vigour which signalised the Sardinian government by seed-
fig a memorial to the government of Naples on this satinet ?
(Hear.) TM only consistent course for this country to adopt
under the altered .OaITUIWIUMPIS of the ease was to demand
the otworrame of international law, to vindicate the rights of
Englishmen, and the claims of justice. (Hear.)
Mr. BORMAN said ha agreed with the hon. and
learned member for Newcastle that this question could not
be suffered to rest where it was, and whether it was the
present goverment or the late government who wore in
fault, it was now high time for the Home of Commons to
take this question Into their own hands, and that they should
mats themselves acquainted with all the facts of the ow.
If, is appeared to be the case, these facts were uncontra-
dieted, be must say that, after these two countrymen of
theirs had been for tun, months in this state of it:uprisen:sent,
the position of that house was most humiliating, and the con-
duct which had been pursued was not creditable either to the
ministry or to the house. He thought it right to give the go-
vernment notice that whatever they did now this house would
justly hold them as responsible as if they were in office six
months ego—(" oh, oh," and " hear, hear")—for every sot
which they now committed with • fall knowledge of the real
facts—as responsible as if they were originally parties to the
transaction. The house should insist on the production of
all the papers without reservation, in order that they might
be enabled to form their opinion' on the judgment they
should pronounce. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. iILADSTON4I said it was now • long time since
they mad the 114X011.11t of the despatch of Count C.avour ; and
be confeesed it was with pain, shame, and astonishment, he
found that the duty of vindicating the law of nations—of via-
, Aketartg the rights of Englishmen--ehouil have fallen into
the hinds el feeble Sardinia, and not of mighty England.
(Hsu, bar.) He trusted they should have ill
the ebentostances of the case before them. It was
tam our position was most unfortunate, became
the proceedip bed now reached a point that any expramdon
of the wishes of the house might be too hie, end appear ri-
diculous la the hoe of the world—that was to say, after the
trial had bosh teought to • conclusion. But, at the same
time, pertly with tepid to these men, but still more with re-
gard to the principles of "Mlle right involved, and the
question of miniseerial respossibility, it was most Important
in hie judgment, unless it could be shown that public in-
convenience would Mee from the contrary' course, this
house abottbi be placed in immediate and full possession cl
the fads. (Hew.) Re mist say this, that, if there was any
reluctance on the part of the present government to produce
the porn, it could not be any interested reluctance,
became be knew they meld not have any mash
motive in retailing them, and if they refused to
produce them, he was sure they would be able to state
strong reasons of public convenience and principle
for such refusal. (Wear. hear.) If none such existed,
hoped they would Atoneds to the request which he thought
had been judiciously made by the right hon. gentleman.

Lord PALMERETON said the case to which the discus-
sion related was one which occupied for a considerable period
the anxious attentka of the late government, sad they should
have been most glad if they could have found any ground on
which to make some timsead upon the Neapolitan govern-
ment which would have led to the liberation of their two
countrymen. (Hear, hear.) But through the whole coarse
of the transactions they were guided by what they were
told those who were the hest able to judge, were the
e,
al inteasional law. It certainly was for a
time dm that these men bad been captured
Ille Waters. But it turned out by the re-
cent "KKK= limn by the Neapolitan government that
the eepleme mem =eft beyond the territorial jurisdiction of
the NtS feemements Thee aketunstance, he should
have
„elms Kneel the ere ; bat in that they
watts
w he lep the ulnaet Knee most competent
teret an wills sow. But that subject was
gglWeeelifillalighee fie Kee lime me retired from office. With
les the garden t rragetedne laying of papers on the
le had to raid the helm that some portion of the
Mil:had been laid •the table bet melon, and, spoiling
11111ral recollecting of wheelie' paned since, as far as
be men elesiened, he saw no eitleMien le the production of
thentmemendenos up te the pedal when the late govern-
ment retired. (Hem, Isar.)
-Kr. HILNIIB sagspeted that the case which had been
Mid before the late law alms of the crown, together with
their opinion, should also be presented to the house. (Hurl
Kr. B. FITZGERALD said the right bon. gentleman
(Mr. Gladstone) uttered nothing but the truth when he said
That her Majesty's government had no reason whatever on
their own account to decline the production of any
papers which would give any information to
the house. Since the present government came into
Milos there were he thought but two papers which at aU
came ender the notice of his department. One of them
mentioned that one of these men was discharged from priers
and placed under the British Consul; the other contained
the instructions which ware sent to Mr. Lyons, and which
were to guide him in his communioetions with the Neapoli-
tan government. These being the only two papers in which
the present government were at ell coomened, any disinclina-
tion on their part to produce these papers well not arise
from any fear of the result to them tram the production of
these papers. The only objection that elided to the pro-
duction of these papers was that they would really put the
hones in pound= of no information which they were not
already of. With regard to the production
of the o the of the law officers of the crown, he believed
that would be quite contrary to parliamentary usege. (Hear,
hear.) If, however, on looking over the papers he found
there were any which would give farther information to the
home, her Majesty's government would be most willing to
produce them. (Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL regretted that the answer of the hon.
gentleman wee so unestisteotory. (Hear.) The question
was one which could not then be fairly discumed but they
could discuss what were the means by which they could
obtain information to guide the judgment of the house.
(Hear, hear.) The hon. gentlemen said, and said quite
accurately and in accordancewith precedent, that it was
not usual to produce the opinion of the law officers of
the crown. But nothing was more nand then to
produce the letter of the Secretary of State or the Under-
Secretary of State, which we. generally a mere echo of the
opinion of the law officers. (Hear.) There were two
important questions involved in this matter. One
was ea to the capture of the Cagliari, whether it was
made in Neapolitan waters or on the high seas,
and the other ea to the treatment of the prisoners.
As to the first of these questions, the hon. gentleman In-
formed them that in the opinion of the law officers whatever
claim the Sardinian government might found in the fact
that the rapture of the vessel took place on the high seas,
and not en the waters within the Neapolitan jurisdiction, the
British government could found no claim on It. If the
opinion went to this, that the vessel was a Sardinian, and
under that flog, the British government could make no chain'
on her, ha (Lord J. Hameln fully smented ; but if the Sar-
dinian government bad a claim to the vessel, and if it con-
tained two British subjects who had been captured and
detained in direct violation of the law of nations, no one
maid pomade him that the British government ought
not to support the Sardinian government in its demands,
and bring the power, the resources, and the name
of Great Britain to the aid of the weaker state. (Hear,
hear.) With regard to the other question—the treatment of
the two prieonere—he must say that, even suppoeing the
capture to be lawful, the treatment of the two engineers went
far beyond what was necessary for safe custody; the time
had been unnecessarily protracted, and their treatment had
been uuneoessartly harsh, severe, and cruel Even sup-
posing the Neapolitan government a prime facie case for
their imprisonment, it was not justified 111 treating them in
such a way as that one had lost his health and the other lost
hie reason. The right hon. gentleman had expressed con.
tidence as to the result of the trial ; he (Lord J. Rouen) had
no confidence in the justice of their treatment before the trial,
nor in the pasties of tho court before which they were t., be
brought. (Hear, beer.) He knew perfectly well it was not
an unusual course for the Neapolitan government, when it
found any spirit of independence, or regard for law
on the part of • judge, to change that judge, either previous
to or during the trial, and ha woald not be surprised if the
government, wishing these men to be convicted, should find
• judge not likely to do so, that he shoald be changed for one
more subservient. His noble friend, the late head of the go-
vernment, did not defend the Neapolitan government; and
whatever course the new government mt think It ne-
cessary to adopt, he (Lord Joliet Russell) hoped they were
not ready to make en admission that they considered every-
thing done by the Neapolitan government was in strict ac-
cordance with justice, end that it was not necessary to en-
Lrce on them those principles of justice which ear govern-
ment and other froir,rnmesats considered it des to themselves
to maintain. He hoped that the hon. gentleman opposite
and the noble lord at the hied of the Foreign-office
would lay on the table of the house all the papers
which it was possible to produce, including the
deepatch of Count Gym sad say trine Sir Juice Hudson
L support of it. Before he eat down he wished to refer to the
request made to him by the hom member for North Warwick-
shire to put off the Oaths Bill, which was tined for Wednes-
day. That was the only day he bal, and he certainly should
not postpone the committee. (Hear, hear.) The hon.
gentleman might make his motion at any other blare of the
bill, but he would certainly bring it forward on Wednesday.
Mr. RIDLEY said that with regard to the production o.
the opinion of the Lew officers, he might remind the hon.
gentleman opposite (Mr. S. Fitzgerald) that when the Cbina
papers were laid on the table, the opinion tithe Queen's Ad-
vocate was also given.
Mr. B. OSBORNE (who, on rising, was realised with
cheers and laughter from all sides of the house)
said be did not wish to stand between the house and the
business of the evening. He agreed with the right hon.
gentleman the member for Oxfordshire that until the papers
were produced they were not in • state to discuss the ques-
tion ; sad he wee far from blaming the present governmeat,
but he must be allowed to express his surprise and regret
that the two questions put by his hoe. friend the member for
Richmond and the member fur the King's County had not
been treated with the courtesy vouchsafed to the hon. mem-
ber for Bridport. He did not think it would have been at
all when a government came into power, ce rather
Into office—(laughter)—nader such peculiar circumstances,
Y mew acconat had bees gives to the house of the polloy
which they intended to panne. He believed each had alwar
been the ores even when the head of the government hip-
paned to have • mat in another place; foe any expiseatian
of policy given them was not conslientionally Wore this
house. (Hear, bear.) He was mach isurprLsed to see the hen.
gentleman resume hie seat without giving an answer, even
in the satiable Loop which he so much inKted en, te Kt

questions of the hon. members for Richmond and King's
County. The hon. gentleman had Intimated his intention to
call for a large vote on credit and sated for the utmost for-
bearance of the house. As an hon. member he (Mr. B. Osborne)
would give every assistance in carrying on public business,
bat at the same time, when the hon. gentleman made such •
rams* he thought it would have been bat respectful to the
house, and still more to the country, if he had given some
programme of his intention before he asked for money. Re
would not press the subject at that moment, as the hon.
gentleman bad already spoken twice, but before he salted for
money he would have time to make up his mind as to what
his futu:Sy would be ; as yet the house knew nothing
of it. bad just heard that the government
had to the Inheritance of the noble
lord's foreign policy with regard to Nsples, but he did not
know how it the home would be satisfied with that.
(Hear, hear.) As far as he oou'd see some painful miscon-
ceptions were likely to arise with Naples. The tight hon.
gentleman had taken credit for putting an and to painful
misconceptions, which, however had existed in his own fer-
tile imagination, for until the right hon. gentleman went on
the hustings at Aylesbury he (Mr. B. Osborne) was not ewers
of say misconceptionsexisting with regard to France. It
would be but becoming in the right hon. gentleman when he
asked for • supply to be prepared to give some programae of
what his intended measures were. Until he did so the
house ought not to grant one shilling. (Hear, hear.)
It was his intention to use the utmost forbearance, and the
most amiable language towards the government. He
believed the right honourable gentleman who represented
Buckinghamshire would, if he had his own way,
be as good a reformer and as advanced a liberal
se any man in the hones. If he °paid only get rid of three or
four of his colleagues, including the head of the administra-
tion, he would be sure to obtain the rapport of the liberal
party, but to do so he should considerably weed his own
party. There was a right hon. gentleman (Sir J. Paddngtoa)
sitting neat to the right hon. gentleman whom he was re-
&o to have converted to hie opinions on the Jew Bill, and
he would, through him, give the house some matuance that
when he &led on it for a grant of money on credit he would
he prepared to give a statement of the intentions of the gcf-
vermaset, he (Mr. B. Osborne) would be prepared to listen
and grant the money, but if that was not done he would feel
it his duty, when the right hon. gentleman came down to ask
for • vote, to call attention to the circumstances under which
the guveenmsnt had anooeeded to office. He should be sorry
to place himself or the right hon. gentleman in that position.
He fat that when the right hon. gentleman came into power
under such circumstances it must be • difficult task for him
to decide on his measures. The right hon. gentleman who
net neat him had told his constituents it was not humanly
possible for twelve or thirteen gentlemen coming into office
to make up their minds. He (Mr. Osborne) would be content
if the right hon. gentleman would only tell them when it
was humanly possible he could make up his mind to declare
his policy. If that wee not done, he should have some con-
versation with his righthon. friend the member for Aahton-
under-Lyne, who knew so well how to draw amendments—
V:r)---and see whether he could not find some means of
uai, right hon. gentleman to make that statement.
The statement made by a noble lord In another place could
not, and ought not to satisfy that house or the country.
The =Meat then dro .
SANITARY TATE OF THE ARMY.

Mr. LAIIEIE filled attentien t;11.; ;:irts4 state of
the army, sad the report of the commissioners on that
treepecially in reference lerence the Foot Guards stationed
metropolis.
General PEEL said that four diSerent committees had
reported on the subject, and he should call on the house to
Tote such some as should be neceneary to carry out the im-
p ovementi recommended.
The motion for adjournment till Monday was then
Gaud to.
SUPPLY.—THE ESTIMATES.
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On the motion that the hone. gOlEttooornn:Tittee of supply,
Mt. WILLIAMS postponed his motion to the effect that,
whoa the estimates were voted, he should move that they be
referred to a select committee.

81r E. PERRY edverted to the ometant deficit In the
Indian revenues, and objected to • proposal for raising •
standing loan in London aa well as in India.
Mr. H. BAILLIE urged the importance of psoaing the
bill. The revenues of India were oompetent to support the
loan.

Mr H. WILLOUGHBY moved the insertion of a
claws compelling the yearly statement of the mums expended
under the
Mr. ROSS MANGLES argued that the minnow of India
were is a much more satisfactory state than was repre-
sented.

Yr. CRAWFORD atm bore testimony to the flourishing
state of Wis. _ _ . .

commented in strong terms on the financial
policy of the Indian government, which ha characterised as
being one of spoliation and confiscatice.
Sir G. C. LEWIS peotasted against the doctrine ad-
vanced by some members, that the loan ought to have a ne-
tkmal guarantee. It was not wanted ; it would be a bad
precedent.
After some further discussion the clause was agreed to.
Clause 2 was expunged, sad the MU ordered for secand
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OF INDIA BILL.

On the order for the second reading of this bill,
Lord PALMERSTON maid he understood the govern-
ment intended to bring in a bill of their own for the govern-
ment of India. He was rather unwilling to drop his bill
until he saw what was the mama which the government
proposed. (Hear, hear.) He would therefore postpone the
second reading of this bill until an early day after Easter,
by which time he supposed the government bill would be
laid baton the house.

Order postponed till the 22nd of April.
Lord ELCHO obtained leave to bring in a bill to abolish
tolls end statute labour in Scotland, end to maintain the
reads and bridges by messement.
The motion was supported by Lord DeNCAlft and Mr.
Walpole not opposing, leave wee given.
Sir F. BARING moved that the petition of John Joseph
Scully, complaining that general and extensive bribery pre-
vaiMd at the last election for the borough of Cashel, together
with the nos entered into end the report of the
Ixaseiner of Reisesoes, be referred to the General Com-
mittee of Elections.

After some discussion the motion was withdrawn, and,
at the suggestion of Mr. WALPOLE, it wee agreed to refer
the matter to the °mend Committee of Elections for inquiry
into the facts.

AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS.
Mr. CAIRD, in moving for leave to bring in • bill to pro-
vide for the consolion of agricultural statistics, said he had
introduced a similar bill towards the close of last session, but
should not vest It beyond the first reading, so his only ob-
ject then waa to bring it under public notice, intending to pro-
ceed with it this session. The present bill was the mime in
principle ; the inquiry would not be compulsory, but he had
adopted a more simple machinery, which would attain the
end at much less coat. The amount of acreage was the most
important fact to ascertain, sad it was the only bikfollikel
it was in the power of the house to attain under the intim-
ence of an act. . . .

'—iiir..lll4l,llY would not oppose the introducticsi of the
bill, more especially as he understood its operation was to be
confined to ascertaining the amount of acreage. That was the
information there would be the least objection to give.
Mr. PACHE said the bill of last session contained a clause
authetising pertain official persons In MID of refusal to
make a return, to enter upon the land of occupiers in the
month of June, and if this bill contained an similar clause
he should give it his most determined opprit
Mr. E. BALL said the bill of last session was so ob-
jectionable that any bill emanating fr.= the same quarter
would Agway be looked upon by agriculturists generally
with suspicion; but, as he understood that the most ob-
jectionable parts of the former bill were omitted in the present
one, he was prepared to give the memory his best cot:udders-
tion.

Major BERESFORD considered k a complete waste of
time to discuss such a bill, and regretted that the right hon.
gentleman (Mr. Henley) had assented to its introduction.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill
The hoses adjourned at ten minutes to one.