The Express.
London, England, 1858-07-16 00:00:00

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which will enable the Metropolitan Board of Works, out of the
140,0001. a year which they raise by rates to pay the interest,
and at the termination of 40 years to have the debt
by them entirely liquidated. With such security than will
be no difficulty in the Metropolitan Board of Works obtain-
ing this sum, and finding itself is possession of an adequate
income not only for the carrying on of the works of the main
of London, bat also at a sinking fund which will
Ira= debt liquidated at the termination of the period
fired. This is the outline of the financial part of the plan
which we propose. The government having tens plead tie
Metropolitan Board of Works in a position with
reg
ard to flnanoe—if this scheme is alloy the house—we
had to consider what course we should take with regard to
the construction of the works themselves—(hear, hear)--and
having considered the subject with every attention, and not
desirous of shrinking from responsibility we are of opinion
that the wisest course, if our plan is adopted, would be to
leave the Metropolitan Board of Works in perfect freedom
with regard to the construction of the works. (Hear, hear.)
We propose in this bill that all the arrangements for the
load government of the metropolis be left to the Board of
Works, and that the provisions compelling an appeal to the
Chief Commissioner of Works for his sanction to any plan
for the construction of works, or to parliament, should be
entirely repealed. We propose to give adequate means
to the Metropolitan Board of Works of performing one
of its principal duties, and at the same time that
they should be left to the full enjoyment of freedom of action,
coupled with the responsibility which arises from their pod
tam. We have provided titablhindreek• Muth be easspiasfi
lathe Senn of five years and-a-half, that is by the end of
1863, and that during that period the advances of money
shall be made. I anticipate that In the whole we may take
it that 600,0001. a year, that is 300,000/. every six maths,
will be required for the oonstruction of the works, of the plan
now proposed be adopted. I have now plead before the
house the general outline of the scheme which wereootommed
to parliament. There are in the bill clausal of importance,
bat purely of detail, into which it will be more convenient
not to enter now ; but which will be proper subjects for dis-
cussion in committee. The house will have to decide whether
the course we have taken is not on the whole the most
prudent, and at the same time the most adequate to meet the
coojtusceure. What we wish to do is to the Mslropo-
Utan Board of Works a real corporation, to neat it with
sufficient funds i we whit to give it not only power but re-
sponsibility, and we cannot give
untrammelled. We
unless we
unshackled
leave it and We have endea-
voured to do this without trenching on the national revenues
for purposes of local enterprise ; and so far as we give waist-
anoe from the Temerity we propose to do it in a manner
which is usual in such matters ; and I hope the house will
consider this a prudent application of the powers in question.
I have thee put the general features of the measure before
the house, and I now move for leave to bring in a bill to
alter and amend the Metropolis Local Management Act,
1855, and to extend the powers of the Metropolitan Board of
Work' for the purification of the Thames and the main
drainages of the metropolis.
Mr. ROEBUCK mimed the point of order whether a bill
taxing the country, ought not to have been preceded by a
resolution in committee of the whole house.

Mr. WILSON acid that u the bill contained a guarantee
from the public funds, a preliminary resolution wu m-
ammary.
The SPEAKER said that such certainly was the mile of
the house.

Lord PALMERSTON suggested that the bill should be
introduced without the guarantee cl►use, which might be
added afterwards upon resolution.
The SPEAKER mid that everything depended upon the
way in which the bill was drawn up.
Kr. OLADBTONE having referred to a case in point
which occurred when the Coalwhippers sill wee introduced,
Mr. WALPOLE suggested that leave might be given to
introduce such portion of the bill se did not affect either the
rating or the guerentee clams" on which resolutions might
be come to hereafter.

The SPEAKER thought that the bill could be intro-
duced, subject to future resolutions as to the rating and
guarantee.
Tho question wee thin put that leave be gives to bring in
the bill.

▪ 311:W. WILLIAMS said that the inhabitants of the me-
tropolis would had with satisfaction the bill of the right
hon. gentleman, which would carry out an important
object.
Mr. AYRTON had heard with satisfaction the pm of
the government. He was not one of those who would take
public money to be applied to the purposes of the metropolis,
which possessed sufficient revenues of its own to carry out
every object necessary for the comfort and corvenienee
of Its inhabitants. But what he complained of
was that the: right hos. gentleman had not intimated that
be was peptised to enter tato this important question.
He wished to call the attention of the right hon. gentleman
'to MIA Man tberand ipseffon be had to consider. 'f he right
hos. gentleman had truly said that the Metropolitan Board
had so corporate funds like those of the City of London or
Liverpool. Why was the metropolis in this condition P Be-
comes It had been trifled with for hundreds of years by Goo-
eseeive governments, became the City of London was con-
fined within such a narrow compass, and bad no co-existence
with the rest of the metropolis. The hon. gentleman thee
proceeded to show how the metropolis was y tamed for
t= of the imperial exclutper, the Hackney
tax, which at one time was 95,0001.
a year and in 1865 was 78,0001., and which
was paid by the inhabitants of the metropolis.
Then there was the stage-coach duty, of which the metro-
polis paid 90,0001. a year, end the rest of the United King-
dom 60,0001. This was 160,0001. levied on the inhabitants
of the metropolis in excess of the general taxation of the
country. Then there was the coal duty levied by the corpo-
ration of London, of 250,0001. a year, making an amonat of
400,0001. of taxation levied on the etropolis, without the
sanction of any municipality. Besides this there was a sum
of 260,0001. for polio", so that 680,0001., or in foot,
7000001. an levied under the auspices of the Imperial
exchequer on the inhabitants of the metropolis, over which
they had no control, and which was not applied to their use.
The hon. gentleman urged that the Corporatism of London,
with its highly-paid cease, should be extended se as to
embrace the municipality of the whole metropolis. Ailed-
lag to en observation of Mr. Dimeall that the
metropolis was the seat of government and the
legislature, he argued that there should be no
exemption of public buildings from ter taxation.
Whilst attesting to the course proposed by the right hon.
gentleman, he thought it the duty of the right hon. gentle-
man to examine into the matter to which his agitation had
been celled, and give to the metropolis in substance that of
which it had at present only the shadow—real and effective
municipal institutions. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. 3. LOCKP, could not feel the satisfaction which had
been manifested by the hon. meadows for Lambeth and the
Tower Hamlets. The bill of the eight boa. gmlfiessas was
something like the play of Hamlet with the Owl jel cha-
racter omitted. The mend expectation bed hem that some
plan would be aossalekd far the perms d Ole
Thanes. But be musk& to the lams whether ay
statement had beta side es that saYset. The
of the Embalmer bad pooled Itheeff against ',kW's( est
any plea which be oomeidered tilatimel. end irR det
entirely In the beads of the Melsopoillas
than shwa', at any fatetimmes fieseßirt 14
irtED
Cessitilearewar The only east el the la appemed Is be
to fordlitale the raising of mew solisdy knew
BH. Ne would appal M the 'right boa. modems (Sir
Hall) whither the sus of 114000,0001 would eau_
to carry out the works whisk the Ittmotielftea Nerd had in
view. In his (Mr. Locked *Moe wok would never
be done for that sum, sad, seseesesr, them woe no tee
that the sewage wool& te *dm tem the ot all.
'7l:lisoptshis int a pia maker y to
the • of the aelialiMsrlrleet afteete had been
6. OWL at 6,000,0004 sulks swat 8,010,11111. bad now
boss easationed for the leek the.. The
to piss full end palladia& (10018.1•011 11:=1
B;llCrat
hitherto doNne sodding. (Hoar)
Mr. BYG tinders& hie *sake to the right how limitle-
ss's% for having esdeavoared to grapple with one of the most
difficult subjects whisk the Wass meld lam Is direr, led
he thought that the Ought to km heft a veto fa
their own hands with repel& to Bulimia bakesi amid the
mode of purifirstion.
Mr. KENDALL thou& it wry eirthet home
should be called upon to guarantee 3, Mem, out •
plan which had been disapproved of by osok
Las Ma Com-
missioner and the referees. If the swamp me to be die-
ia.chargetdoati
6BrkobingjsaCk.biereek thie=shisamistilmersoumt:vmaewirf_l=l.othrt
71.41;1: geonvympa,latorthe blew sowed *Mo..=
became no person would have* fleatie bat the
la the metropolitan area. Ea damp ft extrenteli)llai:
prom to give power shiest widest lies to the Metropo-
litan Board ; sad that the goveramest ought to lake
0.10
that the outlay shemid be seedsral as allphat as possible.
Sir B. HALL sold trier the eat et 1916 it was pacified
that the ADM be sempliel who
inch intet=ireairise as week illoshenp ohs mow late
the Theme et sew poke set k or mar the mstropehe, and
that the omen eisuald he dimbegel to mei a reamer ea
sot to be ink:toms to the public heath. The lams IMO
swan that he bad been =der the nasally of reloads, two
goal piss seat to him ea the posed wen 011111.
tray tow Act of Parliseent. He
Bevels Moan to advise hie astosser
Ike the eethll, and at en Interview with the Disler
pekes hewed it was disemetly tiatlinteed hat the
semi psi* at whirl' the saws. could be diselmehei whit-
est asiest being esseed by UN mbar was en mile ahem
Stith ma the meth, sad a mosemealleg distesso ea 11110
meth. Met ohm whisk ft &mil be Issumbemel. ass
embed by a star, was mimed to Ilk Nkomo nal twe eller
gestimme, who
.mod
aselber ples, aka lei
wired to the liktramillas Demi matikaallek
dersieed that some sem gles bed sow met.kta hy Mot
Wed. Now, if he bad be. memestly tie gawks-
Mat 1/•11, IS • gnat idime. iippornal et kat mills-
andel to soak a maleehl dlmidas to the Ketiegalle Aet
11161,, hr des pups et lemedelling the melba widish per
sided VIM tie biftipa• laid not be all ea MOB to or
mar the metropolis. If each an slumaiss was rladd, and

be tielsnised that a lower point was the Dearest
at whke the sewage was to be let oat, some explana-
tion o
be he even as to the nature of- that
ehimalea. (Rear, beer.) As he understood the point
now prepaid was two miles higher up the river
on the walk side, and three miles higher up on the
math side. Now that woo a moat important change. (Hear,
bear. ) He approved entirely of the principle that there
&geld be Intercepting seven to carry the drainage out of
the ania'of the metropolis ; but he did not think utteroeption
all that was desirable. In addition to the interception by
a much greater work was necessary, oe and that w
ether embanking hanid ng of the Thames to prevent those exhalations
which would °retinue to arise nail an efficient embankment
should be carried out. (Hear, hear.) He hunted the right
bon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer would
take into consideration the suggestions which bad been
thrown out by the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets. In
addition to the changes which the hon. gentleman had
pointed out he might mention the metege upon corn and
other @Matra, which wee swallowed up by the small corpo-
ration of the city. If the power of levying taxation was
to be extended over the whole metropolis, and the proceeds
wen to be expended for the benefit of the metropolitan area,
there would be no reasonable ground of complaint. (Hear,
hew.) He was perfectly satisfied with the main principle
of the bill, which would enable the Metropolitan Board to
raise 9,000,0001, with greater foam in the same manner al
WY proposed by the bill of 1856. He trusted the noble lord
opposite, the Chief Commissioner. to the
*me the nuelselialliatelea teleath let esed with
retldto the cattail. (Hem, hear.)
J. MANNERS acid it wee Impossible to arrive at
any positive conclusion aa to the point whenos the sewage
would not return, se what should be the point of outfall;
bat the Metropolitan Board of Works had rightly determined,
in the event of a nearer point of outfall being Axed upon, to
deodorise the sewage.
Mr. WILSON doubted whether the precise plan proposed
of raising the loan was the beet ; and suggeeted that it would
be better for the government at once to make a loan for the
9eoificcrirpose, and advance the money es required through
the Ex tuir Loan Commissioners.
Mr. TI E said there was one fact which ought to be
mentioned, that the deodorising would cost 40,0001. a year.
It seemed that, alter all, they were going back to the scheme
propounded by Mr. Frank Foster several years ago.
Sir J. SHELLEY said he for one had great demists as to
the deodorising scheme, and the committee at present had
otria heard
astloa of the oneehsiudel.idelks.• regarded the
ut in-
to defence of the Commkajomnuere of Sewers, that it they had

allowed the plea of Mr. Base!gotta to be arrled out it
have been a failure.
Mr. R. STEPHENSON said he happened to ham been a
party to Mr. Basalgettes plan. The intercepting was
proposed by Mr. Freak Foster, and then by Mr.
bat the drainage of the metropolis was extensiodzm nary,
as the intercepting system was not allowed to be
as designed. Every step that was taken in the drainage:i
the metropolis would, under the plan that was approved now,
be not approved next week or six months belies. It was con-
steady undergoing alteration. Mr. Basalgette's plan was the
best for the drainage as it then existed, and if it had been
carried out, it would have saved a great deal of money, as •
great deal of the internal drainage of London would have
bean tendered unnecessary. He thought the house warn
labouring under an error as regarded the question of outfall.
They seemed to be under the impression that by adopting the
imteroepting system and fixing an outfall, they would be
fixing themselves to a certain plan. That was not the fact,
beams provided they adopted the intercepting system It
was • matter of indifference whether the oulfall
was at Barking Creek or at Bea Reach. One
point he should like to see the government inatrt upon,
and that wee that the intercepting system should be carried
oat. If thoroughly carried out between this and next year,
it would produce the most important benefits in the river.
It was essential therefore that the system should not be de-
layed, but that it should be vigorously persevered in. It
possessed this striking advantage, that every step you took
you improved your condition, which could not be said of any
other The great difficulty in the matter was the
strong waters that came down to the river from the ad-
jacent country. They scoured the Thames, miming mud
banks on either side, and the consequence was that a large
portion of the sewage did not flow into the river, but lodged
on the aides. The ellsot of that was that this great metro-
Mayas mandated every day for the space of eleven hours.
dame Gems all this accumulation of driftage was
seested We the Thome, and hence erase those pe-
daled vidistkes et atm& that were so moth
sempleitrell et. Few
_people. indeed, would credit that
wpm& of fetartsert RUN oldie metropolis wers ender Melt-
water mark, and that every sewer not only in that district,
, bat lierb, beyond ilk were tide locked. A high level
intiregtlag sewer would remedy at least half the mischief.
&Wel SYKES said no doubt the intercepting sewer was
aekq ht the right direction, but the mud banks would re-
train; and to get rid of them be would suggest that they
theohl lb* converted into wharves.

Sir W. CODRINOTON said there was an important
tat=lotbwe considered In this question. The inhabitants
of as well as the Bard of Works, were =Mcrae to
get rid of mass, and provided It was taken away from
their own doors they did not much care where it went to.
But Woolwich, Deptford, and Greenwich embraced a popu-
lation of 100,000 soul;, and the government ought to consider
whether it would be right to break off the sewerage at a point
where it would seriously affect their health. (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER emigre-
Minted himself and the hoe= upon the manner in which the
poidticets of the government had been received. (Hear,
beer.) As far as be was =owned, the part he had to play
in the matter was purely of a financial character; but the
government hoped the result of the bill would be to convert
the Metropolitan Board of Works into a real corporation.
(Ileardenr.) They had a proper sense of their duty, and
he could not doubt that a body of Eeglishmea, elected by a
begs and enlightened constituency like the inhabitants of
thia city, would do their duly, and that their conduct
would entitle them to the confidence and respect of their
fellow-efthens. (Beer, hear.) Parliament had thrown upon
them great responsibilities, and by this measure they would
have ociatided to them coosiderable resources. He thought
the union would be satialactory. (Hear, hear.) He would
not touch upon the Poiret/tic portions of the question ,- but be
could assun his honourable friend who had addressed
=en with authority upon the subject (Mr. Stephenson).
that on. of the conditions of the bill was that
the Board of Works, in effecting the object in
view, should adhere to the system of intercepting sewers.
(Hear, hear.) With regard to the financial part of the
question he begged to Inform the bon. member for Devon-
port (Mr. Wilson) that the government had had before
them limier allowing this sasistanoe to be given through
the Ere Lose Commiesioners, which the bon. gentleman
mom an the gnohrable course ; bat the malt of
their deliberating§ led the government to a contrary opinion.
TTho u. se nom why under this bill any advance of
mossy droll take place at all : on the contrary, the
of Weds trier the bill had the power to Lone lens
and deb dale, of coves at a specified madsons
and he • hid se doubt such bonds and delusive:l=
boom pelvis socurldes. (Sew, bear.) The ism. goll•-
ors dee sivateil to a sidled having sollatsee to the-train
=tibia ICI be shorted to the nessositiel oceiddering
h huge eni edwhie piths of the pregsrly in the
moineillndbildd atatinss le hotsisigtbandelg. (Ham)
As ar se' be we Idstaill stseuesed—+s be believed he
spolosibe *mien ef hie osibegsse the eabject—be
Mt them* wen led lit thes4
sad *muftis! in Ilasp sire be
avoided. (He= hear.) I'learysimerl bid 1011 under
candisallies whodhes dig sisal net sent this poised' the
bill; hst essoiltring.ilit a ermitros bed her sposided as
=Se elide Whiles, sad astigpating tom that
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