The Express.
London, England, 1858-03-26 00:00:00

dumbg the recess, for the conedderation of
If to
be =ward in the ensuing toribuneest. If he wore
to Net manly in Ireland doing the time when
was set iling. his position woad be almost ilia same es
that of the Lord-Lieutenant. If, on the other band, ha was
to attend Cabinet meetings, It would not to posits for him
to visit Ireland. Be cooks= that it seemed to him that
the hoses ought not to regain the abolition of the Lard-
Lionessancy until the it= of that country wen In
sea a position that the change might be made without
involving the creation of • =state Irish department. He
did not think that the tines was very distant when it would
be peals for the Home-offioe to gyre all general directions
without the moms= tor • seas= department for Ireland.
Until thigh= strived—and he wee not prepared to say it
had than atrived—it would, be thought, be better to retain
the present evaluation. (Cheers.)
At the aloes of the right hos. gentleman's address mach
laughter was coma by the fact that nearly every Irish
member prase toe, to =drew the house.
The SPRAIN" ailed upon
Mr. BLACKBURN, who thought that the apes= which
had just fallen from the right hon. puthenesproved con-
clusively the expediency of adopting the amendment which
he (Mr. Blackburn) bad plead on the paper, viz., that the
motion should not go beyond the motionfar the abolition of
the Lord-Lieutenaocy.
Mr. ESMOND said so long as the =jerky of his
orantryssum wished the eke retained, he should stranaously
oppose its abandon.
Mr. CONOLLY believed that while the dike of Lord-Lieu-
tenant was administered with impartielity it would always
have
Hr.h support of the whole lee peel.
. DODSON denereed the-iste at the viceroyalty
-mien, a nein id that amble_ mien st penumet
which was sow so generally condoms& La his spielon, tie
Hones Seenuary, with the addition of smother =dm-secre-
tary, coed sally manage all the hie badmen
Mr. GROGAN was rejoiced in believing that kw month=
would go into the lobby with the hon. sad lame member
for Sheffield, bat at the =me time he most complain of the
Wet be which the question had been argued an both mike of
the house. He thought it hardly fair of the hen. mem-
ber for Hereford, while admitting the ion of ending
Twiretty
a substitute, still treating the ty so • ram tem-
porary am The citizens of Dublin he thought, some
reason to complain of this «setae tampering with the gab-
jog, end theism he trusted that, if the queers wen now
decided In the negative, the bre. end hared member for
Sheffield would forego he farther sat i=
Mr. BAXTER could ecomelos only one strong sad
valid reason for mufti" that ethos, and that was,
that if it were abolished a Leese expenditure of public
money would be withdrawn from DiM. That might be •
reason sufficient to convince the members for Dublin, but
he doubted whether it was one in which the representatives
of other parts of Ireland could sympathise. In all parts of
the north of Ireland he believed there was a strong feeling
in favour of the abolition, and it would besomewbat strange,
he suggested, on the part of the Howe; of Commons, which
had just decided by a majority of 140 to abolish the double
government in India, if it determined upon continuing •
similar opt= of double government in Ireland, open
to all the objections of the shifting of responsthility which
had been so suoximfullv urged against the axing system
in the case of India. The same complaint of divided respon-
sibility existed in Scotland ; and he had given notice of •
motion for the appointment of an under secretary for that
part of the United Kingdom, who should bin future respon-
sible for Scotch legislation. In conclusion, he appealed to
the financial reformers in the house to give effect to the prin-
ciples they =moat= by voting for the motion of the hon.
and learned gentleman, and abolishing a source of expendi-
ture which was not only unnecessary but mischievous.
(Hear, hear.) He trusted that the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer would si his return to office by a real= of
the estimates, that he would begin by striking eat of
them the charges connected with the Lord-Lieutanasey at
Ireland. (Hear.)
Mr. DO 181 BS, 44 an Irish member. was prepared to support
the proposition for abolishing the office of Lord-Lientenent,
on the ground that • government by deputy was aims
inferior to a government directly administered. He
was anxious that the Whits of the three kingdoms should
be sdministered by the same authority ; that the
of Suffolk and May. should be appointed ant removen=
seise principle and by the same was,, sad that men a cabinet
melee- ; that Cork end Yen Aida be pieced an the same
footing, and the the patramage of Ireland should be ad-
ministered by the cos person who administered the patron-
age of Engles& La proving that the vice regal court was
no real advantage to Dublin, he remarked that notwithstand-
ing its many advantages it had programed leas than say other
town in Ireland, end it would be an insult to suppose that
the people of Dubin would oppose a mares which
the resist Intend senniered beneficial to their Interests. He
objected M the prepostlion of the hon. and learned =eat= for
Shelßeld that ft would not effect that perfect equity and
identity between the two countries which he was anxious to
see established. The hon. and learned gentleman
that a eiscretary of state for Ireland should be atZZesd
ta.
That would perta the existing system of a separate go-
vernment, sad though approving of the abstract proposition
for doing away with the office of Lord-Lieutenant, he must
vote =sleek the modes. It was, however, hopeless to at-
tempt to do anything in the matter until the people of Ire-
land declared theineelveo in favour of abolishing the office.
Mr. C. FORTESCUE had, about six weeks ago,
conversed with friends of Ids of the Conservative party
when in.. was no expectation of their coming into office,
and they ell denounced the Lord-Lieutenancy as a sham,
but now the feeling of the great party opposite was in favour
of the Lord-Lieutenancy. If joshed of the Lord-Lieutenant
there was • cabinet minister with • seat in parliament, who
could occasionally be in Ireland, it miit be • better arrange-
ment; but the present system greatly diminished the reeponsi-
bility of the government of Ireland. He felt, however
great difficulty in meddling with thh greet institution,
although he wished that some better machinery for the
government of Ireland could be adopted.
Mr. VANCE regretted that the hon. and learned gentle-
man (Mr. Roebuck) had not left this matter in the hands of
the government, instead of trying to get a hostile vote
against an office which the people of Ireland desired
to retain, and which the honourable and learned gentle-
man would not have wished to abolish, if he knew the
country better than he did.
Mr. W. EVANS, in declaring his Intention to vote for the
motion, said that the noble lord, the Secretary for Ireland,
had stated that important duties were performed by the Lord •
Lieutenant which were peculiar to Ireland, but he (Mr.
Evans) thought that it could not be taken for granted that
the Secretary of State for Ireland should be onaoquainted
with Ireland, end if so, he could perform these peculiar
duties.

Mr. P. O'Brias, Mr. Bentinck, and Mr. Barna opposed
the resolution.

Lord J. said it appeared to him that those who
'mourned that there must be a separate administration for
Ireland forgot that times and circumstances had
so much so that, in his opinion, it was worthy of cce=-
tion whether It would not be better for Ireland herself that
the separate executive should be no longer continued. If be
had band that the present government insisted that this office
ought to be pmpeosated, he should support the resolution •
but Lord ?UM bad said no= of the kind ; thi
cardiraTetrigned thought betterin to lestovett :hap"' linndttea
bends of the government. Re should therefore support the
Mr. WqrlLPOll3 sold the government had thought, eon-
*Using this not to he the fit time for entertaining this
question, and the difiloultie• which surrounded it, that their
peeper course was to vote for the previous question. HO
agresd that Nis was • proper subject for the considerstion
of the mecutive government. In his opinion, the case
of the Lord-Listeset was infinitely better deer the
specific @theater proposed by Mr. Resbeek. He
stated remote Akio led him to this connivent, wow
which was the bin net no Secretary of Stem
_esehlagiy.
that keel which was so much need et
The question ha said, in the AM blow, epee
tbe opinion question
pee* of Ireland, sad trek upon the
Muse of the substitute • bat it would be batter met le pert
with the advantages et dos existing institution tenthen were
at hug Prohibit grenade kr Winne that •It ofebritets
could bo neelded. Una the ditlionlike Or question
oculd be maturely wukbsd by the IVIIIIINIOnt sad
eartaatteted, they could and poposs theebellien ofthitice.
Lord PALM ERSTON, 4 mating his mesons far seeing
for the previous quintals, nursed flat dime were ahem-
stances which counterbalmmed the Wonder, to be derived
from the unity of adudniiredes, which midi be • great be-
nefit of itself. IMirftort the dean= wilh• is liale"
the et
yarned by the people el If they
thought the oils mot to be &bathed, no cemidere-
, tion of the advealupes obtainable heat fealty et efissinistre•
Con should tempt perlientemt te pat any oompohke spa the
i eaden] losing.
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that ft WY it men et hie e
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be had. (" Hem, hew," and Leghter.) He 101 l dm ea-
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grrerinrelos bind bed ben welming Iten k he I 5 0 ;
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lemody no gleenlain et I reload, se did the amble
lord dee member ter Thertes reek Ink his MS
to remedy Or was el the gessinewl et ladle. (Imeghter.)
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