The Express.
London, England, 1858-11-18 00:00:00

THE CHURCH AND 81413 QUESTION.

Last night a soirie was held at the Milton Club,
Ludgate-hill , for the purpose of considetiag the pretest pod-
tics of the charoh-rato question. In nib ahasnoe of Sir
J. Teelaway, M.P., who woo prevented from presiding in
oosesquenc• of other engagements, the ohair was occupied
Mr. Mutt. Swoops thew present wee tie Rev. J.
Dr. Poster, Peter Taylor, In., Myriad Swans,
Bea.. Bev. Rev. J. H. Hinton, Pete Cervenka, Bp., Rev. H.
Wm. Edwards, Esq., Mann, Esq., Ebserzer
Olean, kolal. Colman, ,of Norwich ;B. 8. Robinson,
Esq., of B 1; W. Sommerville, Bag., of Bitten; the Rev.
A. King, of Brighton ; Putts Brown, Esq., of Keogh-
tea, A.:.
Lettere of apology for abeence wen read from Sir Wm.
Clay, who enclosed a sabscription of 211.; from Mr. Pox,
M.P. • Mr. Nicoll', Ac.
The: Odd ha Congratulated the meeting on the
shored paid= of the question which called forth their con-
tinued and unabated @lona. It was for churchmen
to my whether that question would be kept au
open seek which would be certain to susses
and arenas public attention, or whether, by a legation
deference to public opinion, they would sloes that sore,
and ben them melon the theoretical argumeata against
church establiahnionts to go %nen. He bad no doubt of the
strength of those arguments. They might not live to see it,
but he hat so more doubt of their success *Katie or the
next generation than he bad that the eon shoos to
(Hear, hear.) The church, like other kcdsh
pat
might not forego a penny in the pound,
mattered not to them either way. They were going further
thou the church rate question, which wen only aa a grain of
sand to a mountain. Church rates ern a question that lay
before them ; but let it not be forgotten that a mush wider '
and broader question remained behind—a garotte' which had
not to do with an incidental point of ecclesiastical policy, but
with the great principle on which church affairs 41•60 be
conducted In relation to the civil institutions of the W.
(Hear.) Let those who opposed the Church Rate Bill take
all the advantage they could from the avowal, bat they did
not, and they never did Intend to abide by th• Church Rats
Bill as a gest manure. Their object had been to inch and
educate the public Hod up to higher things; but they pro-
claimed throughout the length and breadth of the Ind that
they should seek to gain their ends by the provides*, of
onviotions coincident with their own, and that till the
public mind was auldeintly ripe for • 'severance of church
sad state, there was no danger of their loaning into action
anything that was calculated to disturb the pesos of society,
or that they should neon to any means for ohs adenoma of
their gnat end whisk were trkkey la their character, or
savoured of conned/and, violence re hand. (Chun.)
_ _

Yr. WILLIAM, the seeretertothea read We, which,
after &Mar a brief hiWory of t Church &ate Bill, stated
that church rates Mid more than me been contested in the
parishes—MU in a majority of cure the resishaos had bees
suomedul, that in other mese defaulters bad bees allowed
to escape owls" to illegality la the proceedings, and that
wham parliersent wee sent called on to decide on the church
rate question there would be • smaller amount to abolish.
The council mitt la the 'morals', end they reselved that is
the event of the bill being again rejected, an alternative
should be proposal to which charehmea could not logically
object, but the Macchio& of which would came a greeter
shock to churchman them the mere abolition of &welt rates.
What that altersative was It wee not thought advisable et
the present time to state.

Mr. J. COLMLN, of Norwich, proposed the following ma-
thasat—" Church nap abolition, total sad Immediate, by
parliament, ff it will, hat, LIMN pertientent, by the pas*
is the pariah's."
The sentisuat was supported by Mr. Peter Taylor and the
Ray. Alex. Xing.
The Her. J. Buanterr proposed the following sentiont :
Voluntaryism et bane as well as is the °doubles may
the taulatciee of legislation stimulate its Mande and tbe
teeehisp of experience hasten the eouveraiou of it. oppo-
nents ;" and contended that both the tendency of legislation
end the teaching of exparinice showed that the objects which
the nasty was established to promote had made greet pro-
gress in She public maid.
Mr. SOWARDS. the isesearer, stated that 2,6001. had bra
received Ia the last year, and that the expenses had been
hien. He celled on the Mends of the cause to malts ter
mewed eiseeteas is the preseat year.
Ms. W. BODIZZVILLII proposed, and Mr. P. CAISTATIII
esseaded, a vote of thanks to the chairman, which was ma-
rled with acelsasedea.
The preeeediage the. anointed.

TILE TERCENTENARY OF QUEEN ELIZABETH.

Yesterday being the 300th anniversary of the
emession to the threw of Queen Rbasbeth, the rest was
ceramensorsted geserally threashost the metropolis, in many
plasm of reship seneses ea dm stoma bang dellrmed.
At Westasfarer Abbey then wee • perhrmsnoe of full choral
" imilmileg re Lary, was rented by the
Rae. M. Arnold, Weer area, from WIN, Mr. Tburh
at t emir The Rev. Dr. Trench, Dean dsertiler,he
denser • most appropriate discourse from the
33rd cheer sf led* 6th sad 6th is the course of
whir be paid • tribute te the ger Dory of Let whom be was
ememetneredag, ram, dist whatever bee private t Nee
might hurt bees, el s sever sawed the le Warfare with
her royal dries la the advesereat of elleedsa. At the
&rah Church, Crowe-corm, Creatirdss, the Rev.
Dr. Ousuria" Arvind • most eibedve dr:sures
on the Relionarloa end Its results, watering
that tram the year 16611 down to the present las, with the
exospdss of • few incidental riper, the cause of this
ceentry had bees one of rear is greerses, 'cedar', tad
power.

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THE SEVERE WEATHER IN IE3 CHANNEL.
HNOSE BEIPPING DISANTIZEB AND LOW GP
IRE

AM:Wing to some of the accounts transmitted to
Lloyd'. yesterday, under date of that day, the violence of the
piss from the east had diminished. Details mins to hand,
however, annoneeing fresh writes is additice to those
already noticed, coupled In two anima with loss of life.
The schooner been of Guild, of Perth, from Gotheabmg for
Leedom, with a cargo of oats, was totally wreaked on the
Sunk Sand (Wivenhos), and the ureter and mate were
drowsed. The net of the crew were saved by a smack, end
landed at Brightlingses. The Earl of Spencer (schooner),
on her voyage from Liverpool to Dublin, got on shore north
of Doer (Drogheda), and was expected to become a total
wee*. le thla oue two men likewise lost their Hew The
advise from Kirkcaldy state that the Booth, Captain Hills,
of eolith Shields from Sunderland to Rouen, coal laden, en-
countered the fall force of the gale off Flamborough Head, but
was asabid to reach Kirkcaldy, where she was run on the
Meek to preemie her Making ; the crew were saved. The
Garet, Captain Dalrymple, from London to Dominica, went
ashore near Sheerness. A vessel named the Edward, Cap-
tain Joins, on the voyage from Liverpool to Port Madoc,
got aground in attempting to cross Pw.o Bar, and drifted
to the northward, where she remained, making meek water.
A telegram from Dublin mentions that the brig previously
reined to as riding in a dangerous position la Lents,
&mid sell held her former polities. Stems tap hal
&nisi from Liverpool, but were enable to get sear her, the
sea befog too heavy. The communications from Margate
tisorite • quantity of wreck which had been sees Boating
seas the Taigas Light. Fears were entertained that a
vessel wee lest on Monday night. At Falmouth, says •
beta bid. yesterday, there we no lassthen sits steamers
eieteefeieMed by the adverse winds, vie.:—The :—The Warrior,
Foyle, Dublin, Pioneer, and a Memoir horn Belfast, all for
Leedom; the Artists, for Southampton ; the Dyke of Corn-
wal for. Dulls ; Ores, from Leedom for Debits; and
the from Limerick ; in addition to • numerous
list of riling vessels. At Emma • large screw steamer
pat in, to avoid the gale. Between Soathend sad Green-
lathe fully 200 ships retrained whidbouad. At Insderiend
rry 180 opal laden vessels were 1 at the port, wait.
ivaarable weather before to sea. The
•00011 ii• from Antwerp announce that the of the
gale was experienced on the leth in all its fury, but the
whole of the shipping in the basins and roads held out well.
A correspondent from Drogheda, dated Monday, says, we
liami been visited on the north-esetern oast, since Saturday
nightied, with a violent south-easterty Sale, which still con-
tinues unabated. The Leiner Use Capt. Taker) and the St.
Patti& (Captain Heaney), two Drogheda ateam-boats,
which left Liverpool at thus o'clock p.m. on Saturday lest,
were overtaken by the storm and the masters ware obliged
to brig them to anchor off Holyhead for safety, where they
lay for some ids Meow. Having again put to sea, both
manners gallantly struck oat for their destinatiow, but the
gale continuing In flercaass, it was found dangerous to at-
tempt to take the bar. They then made der
Klagelowa, where they put In yesterday (Sunday) about
three o'clock, all well. So violent is the gala to-dos that the
Drogheda Steam Packet Company's agent has tel graphed
and despatched official letters to different railway maims
sad other places announcing that the boats advertised to sail
this evening from the Drogheda quays cannot sad will not
venture to sea. Up to the present Lloyd's agent at Drog-
heda has reported no disasters along his Meanie of the
north-ssetare west ; but from the direction in which the
gels is Mowing it is feared that casualties have occurred.
The Jklfost News kilos says that on Sunday Intelligence
reached Bolin of the loss of the Myt Stanley, of Glasgow,
In the Red Bay Beech, at Cushal, between one and two
o'clock on the morning of Friday last. The Stanley, Captain
Thomas Johnston Douai, left Glasgow on the 6th
bound to Motril, in Spain, with • cargo of machinery and
coals. The crew °awaited of sites men, besides the captain,
as experienced seaman. The meg pomaded on her voyage
till the morning of Pride lase, when, Merin • fes, owing,
it is supposed, to some d of the Gamper, she
was brought too wear the Mesh, end Wick heavily upon ft.
The sea was rough at the time, and the maid inelkeosme •
total wreck. It is supposed the captain was waited over-
Window he has nevermines bees beard of. The other kande
enooseded In gaming mkt, Were, mad are now staying at
the Belfast Sailors' Home, Tominnet. Another account
from Belfast says that on Sunday as many as seventy-five
vessels were taking Muller In Observe Bay.
Farther deices from Dublin say Met a small brig came on
shore at the farther side of Bray Head on Tuesday morn.
fog at flee o'olock. The wreck floated in bottom upwards,
end no particulars whatever in reference to her could be
masertabied. There is too much reason to fear that all handa
belonging to her have perished.
The Drogheda aorreeposdent of the Sawoders's News
lain, also writing on Tuesday, says, " The gala mill con-
tinues along the north-eastern coast with unmitigated fury,
thiesteedere iimeruotion to any sail that may come in fee
nage. The apemen°e of the sea outside the Drogheda bay
is described by old tare and pilots as dismal. They say
they have not whammed such a rage of waters for
some twenty years pest, which they•
attribute to the long
continuant* of whet has amounted to • hurricane. Such is
the vehemence of the breakers at the Drogheda bar at present
that no vessel can vesture outwards or Inwards to the port.
The pier at the " Crook," near the mouth of the Boyne, is
covered over with from two to three feet In depth of sand.
Two of the Drogheda steamers, the St. Patrick and Leinmer
Lase, Mill remain at Kingstown, eel the other ena-
mors here are prevented making their usual trips to
Liveepool, owing to the exceedingly violent nature
of the storm, which is blowing from the eastward, • point so
frequently fatal to the shipping on this line of coast. I un-
derstand that a Dundalk steamer, the Enterprise, laden with
Un stook, was obliged to be put in at Holy heed for salary,
ea her way to Liverpool. The utmost anxiety and the most
lawful apprehension were Wile this Metres since Sunday—
along the coast from Clogher Head tufikerries—and all one
heard was inquiries whether any dises were made known.
Up to this was nothing of an alarming nature hair come to
the knowledge of the agent for Lloyd's, as having occurred
In the immediate vicinity of our bay. The coastguard °facer
of Queensborough has reported that several large pieces of
(loiter have WWI whore in the vicinity of the bas, which
some parties assert to be part of • cargo of timber from North
America or Memel. They are in charge of the coastguard.
Further on, near Laytown, severe] spare and other portions
of rigging have been washed whore, plainly indicative of
disaster. A brig, supposed from her Callan. so be Ober an
Austrian or a Neepoliten, sad which appeared to be heavily
laden, underwent the pitiless aseaults of the impetuous era on
Sunday evening. She rounded Lainbay, and came to etcher
In the sound between the mainland and the island, where she
began to drive amitht the furious elements, threatening every
moment to go In pleas. A flag of distress was hoisted on
yesterday morning, and the fikenies life-boat, with a full
crew, under the command of Mr. Harry Hamiltoo, put out
to her amdstance with a. view of saving tee crew. However,
so feerhally tempestuous were the wild waters that they were
to retina without being able to accomplish their phi-
km intentions. The rigging and masts have hem all
ant away from the brig. A rumour reached Drogheda this
animus that the mew have been mend. The cold, which
has mooed' sided the storm from its commencement, is still
a the most piercing Eaton., and some of the older weather
judge@ will are it that • tall of snow is Inevitable, while
others predict rain. The Lake would bare the effect of ap-
peening the rags of the gale. The steamboats and other yes.
sale at our quays are all antraiy lying to, nor can it be calcu-
lated on when say of them as leave the port."

Tan 71101POSID LUNATIC ASYLUM AND COUNTY
Barn—Testerday a meeting of the weed of Aideranate wee
held " to take into consideration the attempt of the corpora-
tion to Impose fee the first time open the citizens an addi-
tional lax in the term of a county rate ;" Mr. Deputy
Lorkla fa the chair. The Fret resolution wu moved by Mr.
Charles Sibley, one of the guardians of the City of Londca
Union, sad seconded by Mr. Dix—" Slat the meeting
viewed with earpthe and indignation the attempt of the
sorporation to introduce • eounty rate into the City of Lon-
don." Mr. Bailey (common councilman) warmly defended
the wares pursued by the members of the Court t.f Common
Council; as did also Messrs. De Jersey, Jobe Wood,
Woodward, and Chaplin. Mr. Omen moved an amendment
whieb west to exonerate the common councilmen, but el-
an opinion that the mode proposed for ista; the
faTle.d was objectionable. He thought • special rate would
be the best kiad of rate, to terminate when the asylum was
emoted. Mr Fowler amonded the entendnaest • but the
motion, upon being put, wee anted by a large Majority, as
were her resolutions to a similar effect.
STIPHENSON IIttiNORIAL SCHOOL.. net cere-
mony of laying the foundation stone of some schools ia
memory of the late George Stephenson, at Wellington, neer
Newcastle, took place on Tuesday emitted some alas, the
village sad neighbourhood being all astir, the ithabitents
outs) in; each other in their endeavours to do howler to the
occasion. The site coalmine • quarter of an acre, • ith • good
frontage of 100 Seth and wee the present of the corporation
of Newcastle. The building wilt omelet of sthoolroosse foe
bop, girls, and infante, with • house for the master and
mimeses &Method— ell commodious and poorosalog every
raLuinstat.
FATAL ACCIDENT.—On Tuesday evening, about
was o'olook, the wall surrounding Mr. Johnson's timber-
yard, Louden-read, Liverpool, fell down, and a youth,
earosi ladle Duckworth, we. completely eownted by tho
debris, sad Woe almost instantly. Thom other pumas
were also sorwoly Wand, viz., Sarah dhow, • myth&
VISES. IMO es much bridled shoat Ohs um this asspetollim
zeda9=7ls;uorlynocti,srirobttorth of the docamod, reatati
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