The Express.
London, England, 1858-03-12 00:00:00

TEI ZROPOIDAD LONDON MAX WA Y.

' DEPITTATION TO LOOM JOHN MtMUMS.
Yesterday alternate a deputation, consisting ad
Gemmel Wyndham, 11. P., Mr. Scholelield, M.P., Mr. Coe-
way, the chairman of the London Tram Conway; Mr.
Heed", and Mr. Anneal, directors • Mr. the enl-
arge • Meer% Wilkinson md Stamina, the solicitors ; Mr.
Choi* the seesetary ; Ids. Coarse, the parliamentary agent,
and other gentlemen Mt/reseed in thetmeetles, welted open
the Right Hoe. Lord John Mennen, }LP., the Chief Com-
esieskesse of Wats, st his office in Whitehall.pleco, to ex-
plain to him the nature of the propmed tramway through •
pardon of the streets of Loudon, a till for securing which is
=before the Home of COMMIS.
Wyndham hiving introduced the deputation,
Mr. COATIS mid the proposition of the promoters of the
skeet tramway vita to lay • lute from Notting-hlll-gat• to
the Bank rib Bayswater and the New-road, and thee to
relieve Cheamide, Holborn, Fleet do., of the 1,692
=nib= loads of passengers to that d 6 by which those
thoroughfare' were daily impeded. The idea was to lay down
• groove in which omnibuses might run throe times as large
as those now plying on the public roads, and carrying three
times the number of passengers. It had been urged against
them that as a private company they were leant to take
the public streets. Of cows* the company 'spewed to be
paid for the capital they inverted—not, however, by every
one who went into the einem in a carriage, but imply by
those who for their own convenience used the tramway. It
had been urged that the company ought not to make a
profit oat of the streets; tlid not wish to make a profit
out of the streets, bat oat tithe 60,0001. or 60,0001. they in-
vested. From the streets themselves they would receive no
psymeet, far the streets would be just as open to the public
se they were now. Is the mooed place, it had been alleged
against the company that the groove they would put down in
the public streets would be • contact impediment to all other
traffic, insomuch m the groove would rise end not be flush
with the stmt.

Lord JO-itisMA NNERS —WOUId it cot be more correct to
ea that the street would fall by the side of the groove?
Mr COATIS said that all experience proved the reverse,
and Mr. fic.holelield, the boa. member for Birmingham, who
bad been in New York where tramways were laid down, bad
borne testimony to the fact that neither by subsidence, nor
crossing diagonally or otherwise, was there any impediment
to the traffic whatever. All the promoters desired was to
have an opportunity of proving their case before a commutes
of the House of Commons, andd that was the sole object of the
present Interview with his lordship. They denied most die-
needy that they wished to secure for themselves any moao-
poly, or that they would in any way impede the free metres
of traffic ; and they contended that this case did not in any
respect differ from Mope in which property was taken to
secure public improvements, and ample capital raised fur
that purpose. If the proposed plan were carried out the
public would secure cheapens, of fare", for the number of
horses required would be diminished two-thirds, and thus
pares could be carried at a cheaper ooet.
Lorin .1. MA NS Ina inquired whether the proposed grooves
would be lit for other oedfaery carriages P
Mr. Samuel., the engineer, said that the wheels of ordinary
carnage' would not be able to enter the groove, and it would
not therefore be any impediment to their progress along the
road. The groove would be jof an inch wide, while the
wheel of an ordinary carriage was from if to of au inch
ln width.

Lord .f. Menne inquired bow, in the event of a carriage
mooing the groove, it was propmed to stop an omnibus that
might be coming along the Ho. in that direction.
Mr. Beton said it would be done by applying the breaks
which were all-powerful in themselves, and the horn would
be saved much more than they were at present.
Mr. Scnournra.n. M.P., said he did not know anything
about the company, bat one of the solicitors knowing that he
had been in New York asked him to aocompany the depots-
don. His experience of tramways in New York was favour-
able to snob a scheme in London. The tramways in New
York were wider then those proposed here and be had seen
cardigan much wider than oar omnibuses running upon
them. He bad seen carriages running on and noes tram-
ways at all possible angles, but he bad new seen any acci-
dent, any jolting, or any inconvenience. The autibssee in
New York held 40 or 50 people; and althoegh the place be
had to go to was four miles by the omnibus route, and may
three by another be might have taken, he always preferred
the omnibus on the tramway, banes it was so much more
agreeable than any other mode of conveyance. Nothing
could be more auccareful than the system of tramways in New
York.

Lad J. N swam—Aro there each enormous holm in the
dated New Yolk es we freonently find to be the ease in
Imam?

aczoi.nrrams—Oh, yes; there are parts of New
York, infinitely, worse than anything we experience ha
Lodes. (I_Aaghter.)
Lord I. WILMIIIII—Are the Arline of New York paved ?
How load have the tramways been Is existence then?
Mr. SCROLIPIELD—They have been in existence 14 or 16
years at least. The Broadway is paved, but I really don't
accerately repelled about the ether streets. I think they are
masedamiesd.

Lord J. MANNEU said the case had been stated very
dearly to him, and it should have his beet consideration.
General WYNDHAM said that all the promoters ailed far
was, that if they made ont a prima Ant case, they should
not be prevented from going into committee. AU they
wanted was fair play, and by that they were content to stand
or fell.

The deputation thanked the noble lord for the courirry
with which he had received them, and retired.

SNOWBALLING MELEE Olt THE LIVERPOOL Ex-
CHANl3l.—YasterdszeSTherseley) the Liverpool Exchange
presented an ant sppeerenc• by the merchants sad
other parties who visit the reeding-room, availing themselves
of the opportunity presented (owing to the snow having
fallen very heavily during the night, and neseirdag to the
depth of several Inches on the ground) by cent fegto
snowball each other in the most vigorous seenner. Thal
bad not, however, the " fun " long to thwarting Wore the
cotton porters end labourers, excited by a few Wray balls
from their more influential neighbours, beg= to retort to a
manner which for vigour and accuracy could sot be mew-
passed. The meschants now coma:rod In feel saeaest, and
the conselueneewee that both partiesnosind somontlwe d
knock'. As matters went on the excitement increned: and,
on Inspence!Ride intimating the state of affairs to Mr. Mans-
field, orders wen given for the ringleaders to be taken tote
custody. Tide, however was not so essay done. for on Major
Grim, together with about 20 policemen, making their ap-
=l:on'Change, they were met with a storm of mow-
-143h seemed for a moment to diaconate the notice of
the worthy major, who retired into a doorway of the Town.
hall, while his men, alter getting roughly handlal,
to arrest four of the combatants, who win bertegrt=
Mr. lleasßeldjrzd, after receiving au admonitory nation,
di only serious event of the day wee the
allw4tirdVirestment of a boy by a police-officer. The led le
said to be seriously injured in the spine, and Mr. ldsadeld
has promised to investigate the circumstance.

A CRIME FOR THE OXFORD
lIITDDLI.CLAIIS EXAMINATIONII.—A meeting the held In
the nape,s pother, llestobester, yesterday wisesiag, to ro-
oks a repot embracing a rep fees the Oxfoni thenthers,
to the eastthat they will hold as examiastios Is Ilimber
tor to June meth Ivie Meek* 'eq., the any., polled •
sad thin the a far attedsace. lir. llisklessa, to sesee:
tern havOt nod the report, which Mid AM Ibir
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lowing resolutioas were adopted : "That this sew
prestos educators sad friends et education, the
value of exhibilSoas es a mesas of se owe sad
testing the 'Edney of the middle does ot sobeelle
the ilaisureity of Wald hes pat ferth a ethisisilthe
oleos which easels to meet the waste of the esthellei
large, sad of this dietrice ia artlothe °UM
meeting learns with Orson that thep thilhailleS Si
have roseeateti to make liestsbeetrer a load= rit
than fa Jule ant." no atestiag wes
Vey Rev. the Dim of lbsebister. Prktiod illimpobel (et
Oeuse• CLoilege). Mr. W. Hove:. Carr
Rev. Dr. Bar* Rev, P. B. W Praetor
Aldeethr Issiworthy, Mr. J. , Mr.
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At the close of the poll at four o'clock, the Lord Mayor 1 1 • announad the numbers as follows :
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nese which, during my swam I have received from the
Worthy sheriff, your elected &Masan, he. bees In the Sold 1
a muck longer time than myself, and I have therefore name-
, wily been compelled to Moor under a greatmany dieted- i
vantages. Whim however, 1 /sok at the number of votes
that have bees recorded in my femur, I feel thee I have
math to be grateful kr , and I hag theonvey to thrgestlemen 1:
who have supported me the expeemiesof my warmest ti tithe. ! I eniertain the beet of feelings towards the worthy al term ho ken behaved very kindly to ree aortas my cameos
Rh with much phew* that I nal you we have hails' stio-
undemanding. (laser, hear.) I ass onl say thief 1 op
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Tam produced by foes days manatees is ray &sour
of INEWniff my fallow Mims as a meghstrate of Loaders.,
(Chers)
Mr. Connect moved—" That the thinks of this ward.'
mote be presented to Richard Hartley Remedy, Esq., Wad
alderman of the ward, for the real and ability he displayed is
discharging the duties of his office a• well es for hi. blexi-
and courteous demeanour to his olartieneste, who einieedy •
olio to him this spontaneous expreadesof their good widene !
for his future health and happiness."
Mr. BOARD seconded the motion, which was carried-
unanimously.
Mr. Aldan= and Sheriff ALL= moved, and Mr. CALIF
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rox seconded—" That the warmest thanks of this weadmoter
are in a epeeist mesa dam to the Right Hon. Sir Robert
Walter Carden, Lord Mayor of the City, ibr his courteous,
uthepritebleeea fantlimparital oo
wardmob ltbducidtvw.,,hilet presiding over 0
The resolution Ina carried unanimously, amid acclamation.
The Loan MATOR, who on riling was loudly li
said—Oentlemen, I thank your excellent alderman cad
sheriff for the very kind manner in which he has proposed
this vete of thanks to me, and Mr. Cannon for having
seconded that proposition. My duties to-day have been
light, and I may say of an agreeable character, for probably
In a °attested election such as we hays had in the Ward el I. Chas there never was a more kindly feeling exhibited on
any previous occasion than hes characterised the conduit of
all parties concerned, whether cendidatea, padres, or oppo.
Lents. (Cheers.) 1 congratulate the worthy aldermen upon
his election, and I may say that I congratulate the Ward of t
Cheap in the selection they have made. I tun quite sure that
he will discharge the duties of the high and honourable
office to which you have appointed him with credit to him- t
self and satisfaction to his constituents and the citizens of
London. He is a man of undoubted integrity of character
and probity, and I think the citizen, of London, and more
particularly the Court of Aldermen, may congratulate them-
selves that they have such a man united with them. (Loud
cheering.)
The wardnoto then broke up.
SIB JAPES ILPHINSTONE AND Hid
CONSTITUENTS.
PORTSMOUTH, Masts 11. ' I 1
Following the example of Sir Francis Baring
and Lord Month, Sir James D. Elphinetone addremed a
large body of his constituents at Portsmouth last evening.
Mr. Alderman Bdggent occupied the chair.
The Box. MUM= was !warmly received, and in the
course of his address he observed that he bad on every °o-
at/don supported Lord Palmerston when he could do so con-
sistently, Hs voted in favour of the Conspiracy Bill on its
first reading, but should have supported the amendment of
i Mr. Serjeant Ringlake had it been pressed to ,
a dirtaion. With regard to reform, he said the
people of this country did not appear to be particu-
larly anxious that that (nation should be brought before
the knisiaters at the present time. (Cries of " Oh, oh," and
murmurs of discontent.) However, he should support it
when brought before parliament; but he thought our
foreign nktione should be more pacific before the attention
of the mushy was engrossed with the subject of paella-
military reform. The Palmerstonien cabinet had also oom-
milted Itedf to an India Bill, which, to say the least of it,
we meet premature while rebellion was still raging there,
and we could not count the country as our own. Hie policy
would be, that to subdue the rebellion, get the country under
perfect control, and then proceed to investigate It. eau's.
and decide upon a policy for its future government. 'lke fall of
the Palmerstmien cabinet might be attributed to the fact that
although they had great embarrassments abroad they proposed
to Mediate ups important questions at home. He thought 8
right to give to Lord Derby a fair trial, as no other party
mead be found to take the government at present. He should
therefore support the new government as be had that of Lord
Palmerston ; bet ant.. the government of Lord Derby was
carried on in a spirit of libmelity dad in the progressive
of the age, it would not stand a single month.
Resolutions were then passed approving of the pest con-
duct of Sir James Rlphinatone, and promising to use legiti-
mate means to secure his return at any future election.
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TAILORS' BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION.
The twentieth anniversary. of the above valuable
institution was celebrated y evening at the London
Tavern, and was one of the successful dinners of the
season. L' wards of two hundred gentlemen sat down to
dinner, and- the warmest sympathy was evinced by every ono
present with the objeete of the dimity. The chair was
taken b the Hoe. George Flynt, M.P., supported by the Hen.
Lieut.. Colonel Byng, and the leading mambas of the tailoring
weight,
ht,drapery trades, amongst
tuwtkehom; wiweemoticedims.
jumshfr., Cart-pfie.
F. Flowers, Meier, MI , Waist, Leila* ,
B Mahar, Carr, &c. The having_
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posed tonal loyal toasts with judicious
itoeskessident
claimed iadolgenos fur an innovation, whiebi be
would be se agreeable as it was novel. He proposed ba
the beanie of the Prince and Princess of Prised",
ponied igen earnest hops that their auspicious miles Wahl
prove the earnest of a lasting and mutually wend MMOMOR
bbetweentwo great countries. The toast wee readied id& . i
the utmost endemism. The tenet of the wreathe dilleised •
sat, in protasis( which the Charism algid SW die isp
Weldon I
in whose honour they wweassienbleiea
had bean established in the year 111117 the Ils arsda7l24
and Infirm journeymen Were, either la tbe emit= wr
way of annuity, and the institutka bed Nam peselier
features, that it was open to the jou/sigma bdives of
all countries end creeds, and that the sorters, who
shenneeely supported it, received no beadle from
it themeelvee. (Chem) Siam it. foundation 166
pensiosere had been pieced en the fonds, incloding 16
widows, each of whom receive 1101. Its. per annum, with
coals, readance, and easdkel attendance. Then were Mill
numerous .4.1.,Ritl OR the amity. and It only wanted the
allkdiat support of the trade to mail the lee itedea se mord •
In opersW. ea it was teneveliat in tamales. The Meet
drank with seclammiee, ead the dearetery Mr. Ball)
71: the list gabire". to whim wee added the colleo-
tioa etas evades, emseatiag la the whole to 7001. Mr. ,
Coosesidestof the institattoe, proposed in suitabie
's bail* auger*/ a bright future for his
term the
podded ewer, eel the institution on the
promo den. of esamagr=ent chairmen who had .
over their sannerrary. The Chairman cc-
rest rieli=l. ...I. ....ble alma, end the remaining
Wants bowleg been distend d, Qs essePen7 separated.
There wee a way ethane oompemy of monists present
ender the direction of Mr. Lase, and the duties of toast-
menter were afficindly performed by Mr. Harker.
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We have no intention ar denying the ability or
the importance of M. Di La OCIanONIEILE'S Mani-
fests. It ie drawn up with great plausibility, and
anteing many propositions to which no candid man
can relies his concurrence, many sentiments to
widish all rational friends of the alliance between the
twit peoples meat cordially respond. lint if it is to
be regarded ea a valid plea for the introduction of •
entinping alteration into the laws of this country, be-
fore the 'efficiency or ineaficiency of those laws bee
been proved by testing them-then it meet be pro-
' 1 named a complete failure. And this, it must always
be remembered, is the real point at issue. Aye or nay,
are we prepared, at the instigation of the Emperor
1' ; of the FRENCH, before proof of their failure, and
without trial of their adequacy, to change, not only
the letter of our laws, but the whole spirit and mode
of their administration ?—this is the real and only
question that is before the country. With a view
to the eolotioa of this question, a great per-
tine of M. Da LA Clumoxiser's very carefully
written state paper may be at once dismissed
as irrelevant. We have no wish, for instance,
to deny, we have every disposition to admit, that
sine, his first elevation to the Presidency Loans
NArotiox has been a sincere and intelligent friend
1 of the English alliance. We freely and gratefully
acknowledge the loyal and generous spirit of cordial
good faith in which, at the head of the gallant
French nation. he joined England in redressing the
balance of European power which the overweening
preponderance of Russia threatened to disturb. As to
the mode in which he has subsequently sought to
carryout the Treaty of Paris, especially as regards the
vexed question of the Danubian Principalities, his
I . policy has commanded our steady adhesion and oar
freely-expressed approbation. Nay more, as regards
the action of France and England in Italy, oar re-
corded conviction is that the disinclination which
has been shown to intervene with effect in the akin
et the Peninsula has been due rather to the Cabinet
of St. Imes', acting under the influence of Austria,
if not in concert with her, than to the Cabinet of
, . II the Tuilleries, which, under the present regime at
all events, is entirely emancipated from the tradi-
' dace of Vienna and Verona.
. ~ • do mach for that portion of M. DI LA Goma.
wurax's Manifesto which relates to the claims of
I / Louts NAPOLEON, as a Power in Europe, to the
1 t and friendship of the English Goverment.
Van strong claims-claim which, as far as we
are aware, no one is just now thinking of °attest-
ing i but which have certainly little enough to do
with the rest question of the moment. Upon the
event of the 2nd of December, the wane by which
it was accomplished, the feelings that it excited and
the comments that it provoked, it is not now our
business to speak : woe 'winsome di for mei/air&
• paw'. Let us look at it, for the moment,
in M. DE LA Hatioioataefe point of view, as
an act relative to the internal situation of Frame,
with which no foreigner had any concern. Let us
I
i admit that we were only concerned with its Conse-
quences as far as they affected ourselves. Now,
amongst these consequences was one—a consequence
obviously immediate and inevitable—which has a
most direct bearing on the question now para-
mount in the public mind. We pain oo judgment
• ea the 2nd December, we record a simple fact when
1' 1 1 we say that an immediate remelt of that event
in history was to scatter through Europe, and
lame espeeieily to pour into this coastry, a
great maltilmie of embittered and exasperated
political opponents to the new dynasty and to its
oloomorel founder. For this consequence England
1 t wee is no degree responsible. Her inviolable rights
of asylum wen !mown, her shores were at hand, her
ti freedom elapse& andehought had natural attractions
he men who were in exile became they refused to
Ilive et home withent ,pelitioal liberty. The martini
remake essesed-these amalta which IL DI LA 017111-
P 'uterine eaumeratee with such an tenpin parade
I of dignified moderation.
Among tie exiles driven in upon the all-
receiving i
1 theme of Engiond, pertly by the pro-
eeriptione of the 2nd of December, partly by
I . the enbeelpient nsszias of the NOMA polies, who,
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Boding them tao troublesome or tee dangerous for
i their own inperiehodeneit, peered them on to eels-
among these victims of wrested /tepee and ruined
I I fortunes, a long eerie* of plots has hem organised
against the life of the Emperor. We admit it,
and we deplore it, but ie the fault ours? Are these
assassins and their plot of our rearing? Was it
we who sowed the earth brou:Atnet with tide seed
of aneseeine ? No: not we, but the. who, in their
sadden ascent by violence to pi:ovule. have prortiad
that retaliation which power so 1•01 t meat inevitably
1 encounter. But then it is urged that Ave must alter the
text of oar laws, change the regn:ationa of oar
police, establish a stringent systeto of tyPiocalre, es' volatiouhe the whole administratiog of our criminal
law-for what ? Why, for hi t purpok, of defending 1
the Emperor of the Faiecu from the 0,. neciuences i
r which his own acts have provoked. la Um. mem' ,
, able: le PIO just ; is this for a moment to be en- 4
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dured ? The :NPeroe of the Feeecn, with a via. 1
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pushed to an extreme the system of repressive laws ii,
in France. We may, and we do, doubt the wisdom
of the step, but we go no further. He is :
i acting within the limits of his power. But when
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police of England lilt* a BONATAILTISTrwdrerwrii I,
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