The Express.
London, England, 1860-02-29 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, wIEIDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 29, 1860.

► use for which they were appointed. He begged
to call the ateention of the home to the groat hardship
which was indicted on the: promoters of railway Mlle
by toe non-attendthoe ot metniare appointed to serve on the
cote ,itt •e. The c ne...ittee of eel, ction had an ardtions
duty to perform' sad they endeavoured in discharging that
duty to pay doeregatell to the convenience of boa. nwestaes.
At the meeting albs railway committee that morning it was
toned that one of the members was emit; and
they were, flank's, unable to premed. That dr-
rumetonce entailed • loos of at least aoa., but Las believed
it would tiny out to he considerably more on the promoters
..1 t.. 0 Lill. H. we wiry to say that the :Niece. of the boa.
nicioter Le the Meta aunty was considerebly aggravated
by the fat t that be wee wored personally by the suointonfag
Meer. The reties el the house wen clear and distinct to
this inattet; at the semi thee it should be borne in mind that
the hon. gantlanaa had not long been a mem ter of the holm
However, it wrs the duty of the honourable member
to bAod serene/ad the ram of the bon= sad
what were his duties in regard to than. (Hear,)
He conclo.led by moving that Mr. Hessessy be adored to
attend the committee on railway icrosp.No. 1, and that that
committee have leave to sit to- morrow, notwithstanding that
the doctoral= is stan iiag order No. 4 had nut been tined
by Mr. Hennessy. (H•or, hear.)
Mr. RIDLIY, a. chairman of the committee referred to,
mid he had reason to believe that the expenses occasioned by
the Masco of Mr. Heaumay would amount to at hag 4001.
Mr. BOUVERIE thought that the motion made wee quite
Lned•rtuate, considarbeg the inconvenience which bad been oc-
easlobed by the abeisoe of the hon. member, and the trouble
whilithechoirroan of the ODOI mitts, of selector took toomenit
the convecieace of hon. immben. Es should move ea an
amendment that the her. member be ordered to attend to his
place in the house forthwith. (Hear )
Coker! PATT EN said he had jest been informal that the
his. member had goat to Ireland. It might, therefore, be
• great inconvenience to him if he were ordered to attend
forthwith.

The SPEAKER then put the question, when the maid-
meat was adopt et
CARLISLE ELECTION PETITION.
Mr. CORBETT brought up the report of the committee,
which waled that Sir d. graham and Mr. Levan had been
duly elected.
DUNDALK ELECTION PETITION.
The SPEAKER aanutioced that he had received informa-
tion that it wag wit Wended to proceed with the pain=
complaining of the return for Dundalk.
WEYMOUTH ELECTION PETITION.
Mr. E. EGERTON I.rnupbt up the repast of the ems-
mit,e. • loch mated that Mr. R. Brooks and Viscount Grey
de Wilton had teen duly elected.

SAVOY AND NICE.
Mr. M. MILNES appealed to the hon. member for Bridg-
wsk4 (Mr. limalske), /rho had a notice on the papa of
molt mon th« rumoured annexation of Savoy end Nioe to
France. mbeth.r, in the absence of documents on the sub-
ject, it would not be 34viaable to postpone for that evening
Sir motion.

lt PEEL thought theta was no reason far adjourning
the question wAr. He sppeiled to both ad-s of the house
if it was right that his b in. friend should be asked to submit
to the prowure that we. so often pot epos him on this
question. A w•eb ago the noble lord the Foreign Seers
wry requested hie hen. friend to edjourn his motion, and
even wrek the noble led said he would prefer waiting
tiU he thou! ! have a full opportunity of answering the question
that evening. la the otter how* this quanta: ban b,•en dis-
cusso•t without pepere,and the public would begin to thick that
the Howse of Commons had absolved themselves altogether
from discussing this questicie. lie appealed to the govern.
maul, as be thought this was thesereper time, to disease this
=deter. They all fel.. that from toe want of information on
the subject, the conduct of the government was looked upon
in no favourable light by the publie ; but be believed if the
question rein. on that evening they should be able to die-
cuss it fairly. (Use•, beer.) The hos. berm*, that he might
be in ords r, concluded by moving the adjournment of the
house,

Lord J. RUSSELL said that la 'newer to the appeal
made to him there should certainly be so occasion to maw
If. There were some papers now which he could promise
and rips the bou.,member moved for copies be s.ould have
n iditticolty in c .mplyieur with that motion ; and if the ques-
tion woe whether the government behaved well or ill in this
metier, he thought the house would Se much better able
tokulp of that whoa the papers were before them. (Hear,
he car.) But es those members who were in the house last
night had made up their mind., the house having gone
fit. tome hour. tato the matter of that commercial treaty with
France, it would be denirable to proceed that evening with
and that did sea to him a good rown for post-
poning the disc.u•ion till after they had disposed of the
treaty. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. KINGLAHE said If his motion could be supposed
to convey any rut or implied censure on the govern.
men,' he Amnia have felt it would be very
unkind to attempt any operation of that
Iced stilton: pogo. But when his bun. friend the member
for l'ontetrect &eked him, on ni reasonable grounds that he
knew of, to putpmie %motion which he conceived to be very
important, be mmt say that from information he had re.
3rived, time was of vital mi optit in this wetter. if the
noble lard pad bin able to make any statement to the house
which would hew. flu t of aasurirg him that on •
future day they should stand in the same poeiiion al they did
now, be should have postpooed hi. motion ; but so the noble
lord bad stated nothing of the kind, he conceived he ought to
persevere with it.
QUEEN'S TAXES.
in reply to Kr. Duircounr,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
government bed so intesitiu of proposing any measure foe
the oatmeal sad aompulsoly transfer of the Quota's taxes
to government °fibers. Bet in same parte of the country
there existed a strong desire that there should be •
power given, when the local authorities desired it,
for the voluntary clanger of those taxes to tits encore
of the revenue; and it was the intention of the government to
introduce a measure in the preheat seesicn for that purpose.
As to • second question of the boa. meniher with regard to
the order of guarding with the resolutions in cominittes, ha
proposal to act upon • promise ha made the other night,
that the spirit duty should be iostponed till the last resolu.
dos of the treaty with
Mr. DUNCOMBE said that u the right hoe. gentleman
had amended his motion regarding the duties uton spirits,
ha should amend Ida notice, and move that the duty on spi-
rits should be 9.. leaved of Bs. 61., as proposed by the Chan-
of the Each. goer.

a reservation would have been reads in the present treaty.
These two previews contain ret 000 soak, who in the event
of any easezetion of Savoy to Frame earnestly desire that
they may be beerporated with Switzerland." (Hear, hear.)
Besides this, the cry of the whole of the Swiss press weal for
the maleness'* el the MMus quo, and if that were disturbed
the beegivinellen of Meneetral proviso:ea Thew provisoes
I still melenemed their Mfg= atteolusent lo the Howe of
L Savoy, but if that hews gave them up their only
desire was for incemegellon with the Swiss Coofede-
L ration. • deelientka that ow, by nice bun-
, deed and fifty et the to, hod been
circulated, sat she feediegi=lineglied It was deserving of
the Ide=rdedit. That wits., fa enetitaioa, said, " Dana
erne u d'uae sepratiell de /a Savoie, le Fencigny et
I. Cheblais me vow:Wad par Nal Francs* mats toleraient
plutet lour =wiles i I. Snlese." Surely it would not
promote the joy of Daly at her own eafranchhement if it
were thus iwohaterl at the arms et these small but brave
and tree welmunhise. (Cheese.) He appealed to her
Majesty's government to bring their potrahl influence to
bear vela the question, sad he patedeed them that the
Howe of Commons would support them fa their efforts on
the idde of independence and nationality. (Loud cheers.)
He appealed to them to act in immune* with the
esatannate which bad been so oasis expressed by the noble
lord the member for Tiverton end the noble lord the member
for London. He iloatad that they would carry on their ne-
=tons not only with oonciliatkm but with power, far he
that never woe power more wanted. The eyes of
Europe were anxiously turned towards this °Gantry, to see
what policy she would pursue. Italy was bursting in free-
dom. As Byron beautifully said—
" eta, /
Time, which bath wing'd thee with tea amend nets
Of thine imperial garment, shall deny,
And bath denied, to every other sky,
Spirit. which soar from ruin. Thy decay
Is still (mpregaate with divinity,
Which gilds it with revivifying ray."
And the revivifying rays of that freedom would cast its
bright illumization upon all the surrounding counties. He
eolo d the noble lord not to quench that light, but to nourish
end sustain it in undiminished vigour. (Cie era.) He hoped
that they would not throw the weight of English influence
into the scale with exclusively Italian independence, but that
they would alio endeavour to secure the independence of that
ancient republic, which had so long, amid toe Week of em-
pires, stood the beacon light of constitutional liberty and
the hems of the political exile. (Loud chow) If her
Majesty's ministers did not follow a straightforward policy la
this matter they would not meet with the support of the
House of Commons, but If they could show that their policy,
while not officiously intenneddling with the slides of other
nations, had brought the powerful influence of this country to
bear on the side of liberty and of justice, they would secure
not only the sympathy end gratitude of tans of thousands of
people in It and Switzerland, but they night count on
that beet reward of any government, the confidence and
approval of every Mendel civil and religious liberty. (Cheers.)
- Sir G. GREY said he del not rise for the wpm.e of ex-
, pressing on the part of the government any dissent from the
opinions which bad been expressed either by the mover or
seconder of the motion, whale observations he believed were
in complete unison with the sentiments both of that house and
of the country. (Cheers.) The question which bed been
raised we., no doubt, one of great European interest, and
one which justly commanded a great share of public emo-
tion in this country ; it was one which therefore might well
engage the atteotion of the House of Common., sad it was one
upon which her Majesty's government was free to admit they
had • right to give the fullest and most complete informa-
tion. (Hear, heat) To the la,tion, therefore, fur the
_pro-
duction of all the correspondence, he was most reedy to
went, merely with the trifling addition of "or extracte" in
the wording of the motion. (Cheers.) However, he
could not help thinking that • protracted discussion could be
better maintained alter the house had been in possession of
Woes papere, which would show the position of the question
as regarded England, France, and &Miele. The house
would then be able to judge fairly of the course which
the government had adopted. Ills hon. friend
had expressed a hope that there might be an unanitneus
expression of opinion on this motion, and although
there wee no way by which it could formally be
'worded, he (Sir G. Grey) was sore that no one who roes
would offer any dissent to its general purport. Every one in
that hotter) must, be wee sure, join in earnestly deprecating
the annexation of Savor—(loud cheers)—net only in the
interest of that country itself, but in view of the complica-
tions which such annexation might entail on Europe. (Hear,
bear.) He could not but think that his hon. friend who bed
wooded the motion would have adopted • different tone In
addressing the government had he reed the papers which
were about to he produced. He would not then have called
upon them for any disclaimer of political views or sub-
serviency to France in vilifying the commercial treaty, or of
the fact that the treaty had the eligbtest connexion vrnatever I
with the questions of Nice and Savoy. That ditiehdmer be
(Sir G. (hey) wee prepared to make in the tallest
manner, and be could assure the house that the
commercial treaty bad not the slightest relation to those I
matter.. (Hear, bear.) Their hands were midway free,
and they had expressed in clear and unambiguous terms their I
opinion of the annexation of Nice and Savoy. (Cheers.)
One word as to the &opera% of his noble friend user him,
which had been treated by Ws hon. friend as • voluntary pro-
posal for the teeeletnent of the &Wire of Emote. Hie hon. i
friend said that they were dejarting from the neutrality of I
England in pressing the annexation of Tuscany to Piedmont,
and thus giving an excuse f.r the annexation of Savoy.
When the whole correspondence waa on the table the house
would see that this charge eras unfounded, and that his noble
friend had volunteered no plan of his own, but merely ion-
passedupon the French, and other governments, that to .
eil bereelf should be left the settlement of her internal
Mfairs. (Cheers.) The whole object of the English govern-
meat was, that the settlement of the Mr jot of Italy should be
left wholly to the people of that country (Hear, best.)
He believed the policy of the government would be found to
have been in strict accordence with the feelings of the hones
and of the country, end he trusted the influence which they
had used in the matter would not be exerted in vain. He
would only farther express a hope that the house would not
ewer into a pretreated debate on the present 000saion.

Mr. DISRABLI-81r, Although this subject has been
brought before the consideration of the bons* in a speech of
startler ability by the hon. gentleman who introduced the
motion, I think, on the whole, it will be more convenient that
I should chain' the privilege of refraining from giving any
opinion on the subject generally until the ourreepondince bee
been placed upon the table. At the same time I am not
slurried the hon. member for Bridgwater (Mr. Kinglake)
has made this motion; because, although we dad on the
pelt of the governmi ut en extreme willingness and prompt
informationi
readiness to afford the bou.e a.l the information their
power, end even an apparent desire to produce papeni,
which certainly is a novel feature in her Majesty's
=Whiten, I may be permitted to observe that If that feeling
bed bees; displayed at an earlier period of the series it
would have been more eati,fectory. It will be recollected
that oa the 2nd of this month I made an inquiry
of the government with respect to these
when I received a very unsatisfactory reply, and it
wee not until the chief minister of the crown in
the other House of Parliament had made an admission which
teemed afterwards to be regretted, that I wee enabled to learn
there oettainly had been communications tenon ter Ma-
jesty's government and the French government on the sub-
ject of Savoy. But they were as fur back se July last year
and the impression conveyed to the house by the government
wee, that the whole question had died away • that it was not
one of that urgent and pressing nature which it is now uoi-
venally recognised to be, and the house was consequently
entirely thrown off its guard. Then came an inquiry
by an hon. member who had become possessed of
certain information, and it was not until he had
produced his information that we found the govern-
ment prepared to meet the bonne with freebies,. However
I may feel it due to myself end others to press on an inquiry
la this important matter, I ehall at previa ecrupulonely re-
frain from entering into the merits of the question. When
the paws are in the possession of the home I em sure we
shall all feel that no more important documents could be
placed in oar hands. and the time will come when we shall
be abbe to give the subject our grave delibetation. (Roar.)
Mr. M. MILN ES agreed in the prudeace of deferring this
dlecnaeloo, but at the same thus he wished to maks one
of served/xi. He trusted, In the absence of all authentic in-
formation, the hones would not allow itself to be led away
by mere enamours, °ewers implicit credit to assertions which,
although made in, the:best possible' faith, could be nothing
but assertions.

Mr. BOWYER believed the object of the Emperor
Napoleons wee to obrein by revolution and keeping
everything in • state of uncertainty, • oomplets para-
mount power over Italy; and snob was also the opinion
of many statesmen in that country. lie could not help
thinking that if the Emperor of the French wee nut mater
of 6i 0.000 men her Mojeity's government would have spoken
in a different tone, end not celled him our good and faithful
ally. A system of bullying the weak end truckling to the
strong—whkh was not very creditable to this country—hod
been carried is Ler years. It might be prudent to speak in a
tarot's' manure of three who could do one harm, but he
was guile sure it was not English. It was not magnum
Noes nor solidly wise, and h• believed the people
of this country were openieg their eym to thie system.
The noble lords opp mite had encouraged the system of ag-
grasidiument—they played tato the hands of the French
Emperor, and now felt bound logo along with him to theend
But the people of England were not so bound, and he hoped
that they would not unction any p alley which was not
sanctioned by the honour end integrity of the country.
Mr. WAItRE said he had listened to what he might call
the peculiar views of the hon. gentleman who had just sat
down with attention, but the hon. gentleman made no attempt
to uplain the fact ihet the moment the Austrian troops
were withdrawn from the Romagna, that part of Italy, gimlet
L the natural: state of thine., lapsed into rebellion. (Hear.)
Asti what in the deliberate juigneeit of the hon. gentleman
would be the molt in Rome Putt if the French troops were
withdrawn? (Hear, hear.) Would it not be the some as in
the Russia& ? He believed that the more the correepon-
duos of the noble lord (Ruse,ll) was iirad, and the more owe-
full it was stuoird, toe more honour would it riff ct on the
noble lord. ( Hoar. hear.) II the prinoiple of non-intervene
' Lion wee honestly carried oat. he believed that brighter days
11 were in sten for Italy. (Hear.)
Mr. B. COCHRANE hoped the noble lord would fix an
early day foe mewing the distension on this inbred.
Mr. KINNAIED salted when the papers would be laid
OD the table of the Muse.
Lord J. RUStELL—I can assure the his. gentlemen that
utheasrP4pPerjostingwil.l bianApriedn onacede oramtwr data: fmns"slithblaCe daTteheyl hope
they will be kid before the hews. The right hon. gentlemen

oppoeit d= e mu
to the hm Willi= Mat I showed theists is giving in.
formeews.
Mr. DIBM•ELI—In rehire the imperi—
-1 Lord J. RUSSELL—The fast is the when a question was
asked on &previous occasion by theright hon. gentlewomen this
subject, I answered him according to the state of feats
as they
_misled at that time. But when the question
r was raised In another place, I place l in the hands of my
noble his= the Piesident of the Council a despatch whine
• I had received that morning, in order that be might be in •
position to explain the eircauutances that took pia= I
could not give the right hon. gentleman the contents of a
despatch welch bad not been received. With regard to the
production of despatches the rule to be observed, I think, is
this : That when in correspondence with • foreign govern.
meet you have stated the views of her Majesty's govern-
went, you should not produce that despatch till that foreign
government has had time toreoetve it, and if they should think
proper, to answer it. I wrote • despatch to Lord
Cowley, to be by him laid:before M. Thouvenel, who had a
week or more to reply to it. I have no objection to produce
that despatch, because if he thought It desirable he could
have given an answer before that time. But it would be
unfair to • foreign government to present • despatch, corn-
plaiaing perhaps, inquiring =dam with regard to the
conduct of that government, without giving time to that
toreign government to reply. (Hear, beer.) I listened with
admiration, a. I am sure the weals house did, to thespeeches
of my two hots. friends who moved and seconded this motion ;
but at the same time, with regard to that family pact of
which they hare spoken, I can only say that her Majesty.
t have no diplomatic Information of the fact. The
=afr=ve
a treaty having been entered into previous to the
war has been, and up to the present time, repeatedly denied
by the govenemenis of France and of Sardinia. (Hear,
hear.) Teat that matter has been, and is still, in agitation,
I cannot deny. Tee hon. baronet had said, and said truly,
that the powers of Europe had guaranteed Chablais and
Fancigny as neutral territory, and that if It pseud into
the posereslon of France that neutrality would be affected.
If the question was confined to these parts of Savoy which
border on the Lake of Geneva, I think it would not be diffi-
cult to obtain from France • pastel those places for Switzer-
land, but we did not look to that object, we looked to pre-
serve the whole of Savoy—(hear, hear)—and we have not
discussed that particular question to wants my hon. friend
alluded, acd to which Switzerland naturally looks with the
greatest anxiety. Another melted to which the ho-
nourable baronet referred was the fourth point of
the promettion which her Majesty's government made for
the settlemeat of the affairs of Italy. I beg of him
to =snider what wee the state of affairs Immediately pre-
vious to the proposal of a congress. The Austrian govern-
ment declared that If a single &minim soldier went into
Central Italy, she, on the other hand, would march her army
to oppose that entry of the Sardinian troops. On the other
hand, the Emperor of the French declared to the Austrian
ambassador in Paris that the moment an Austrian soldier
marched across the Po the French troops would march to
oppose them. Conceive how critical this position was, and
bow dangerous to the peace of Europe. (Hear, gear.)
The remedy for this state of things was to be the 000gresa.
This extremely critical situation of 'Um could not last much
longer because it was thought the congress was about to
meet, act would find • remedy for this disorder. But it was
announced by France in oensequecce of a communication
from Austria that the conference was indefinitely postponed.
At the same time none of these declarations were withdrawn
—there was the rams danger of collision. Wee it not natural
then for • government anxious for peace to make a proposition
with • view to preserved's* peaceouid t 'meant the calatni ty of
war from oocurring ? Accordingly her Mije sirs government
mule prupoeitions with this view. The first wee, that neither
' Austria nor France should interfere in the affairs of Italy
, without the general assent of Europe. We did not get the
went of Austria to that proposition. We did, however, ob-
tain • declaration both at Vienna sad at London that
Austria meant not to interfere beyond her own frontier;
although she would not give up any of her own rights nor
those treaties which bound her to maintain the rights of
certain sovereigns, yet that it was not her intention to
attempt by force of arms to maintain those treaties.
This was of itself a great gain and security for
the peace of Europe. (Hear, hear.) Tnen her
Majesty's government went further in the fourth
propo.eion, which says that it the provinces of Central Italy '
were determined upon governing themselves, or if they chose
to annex to Sardinia, we would object to any force bring
used to subvert such government, and in the other case
would not object to Sardinia taking formal poseession. This •
is in conformity with what we declared to be our policy from
Jane to January, that the Italian people should themselves
decide as to the bun of government they wished for them•
selves. The hon. member for Dundalk had been able to speak
his mind. (Laughter.) It meet have been painful to him,
with the whole responsibility of the sentiments of Pope and
oudinals resting ea him, not to be able to express them
before. (Laughter.) We have now heard those opinions
expressed, and what the hon. gentleman has to sty of en-
lain manifestations which took plus. To be furs there are
manifestations that are not of much value—manifestations '
that are ensued by bed government, sad that are apt to be
symptoms of revolution. The hon. gentleman might here
heart of a great manifestati• non Helena°, Heath. The
adviser of the sovereign of that day was asked by
the King what that meant ? He (the =Aber), some-
what like the hon. gentleman himself, said—" Nothing;
it is only the soldiers shouting for the acquittal of the eeven
bishops." The King knew what that mantle-Wien meant,
sad saw the danger which threatened his throne on that
ocesnos. It was damper= for sovereigns to rely on such 1
=views as the hon. gentlemen. Was discontent to be ap-
passed—wse revolution to be prevented by saying that you
would never reform • bad system of government ? We have
beard of princes who, like the Grand Duke of Tose my,
violated the fundamental compact by which they sat on the
throne by withdrawing from the country, and the result,
both in this country and in Tuscany, were very similar.
(Hear, bete.) With regard to this immediate question
I cannot but think that alteough in some violent newspapers
a great deal of /xcited opinion has been manifested In favour
of the annexation of Savoy to Francis, that is a course which
the Emperor in his wisdom will loeg hesitate before he
adopt.. (Hear, hear.) I cannot but see what every man
may see, that it would produce distrust for two reaso.s.
One reason is that each a policy would be is contradiction
with that proclamation—that magnificent proclamation I must
soy at the risk even of being accused of flattering the
Emperor—which be issued. (Hear.) There is another reason
why such a course would create distrait. Former encroach-
ments of France originated in small beginnings only on one
side of a =entry, and yet afterwards they were the preen',
saes of conquests and the disturbers of Europe. (Hear.)
I em afraid it Buoy were annexed, even though • meeting
*Cheautfery was held is its favour, and even though the
powers of Europe gyve their reluctant assent, it would be
the precursor of • long period of dinned and apprehension.
I b hew, finally, it would not teed to the strength
of Femme Itself. (Hear, hear) A country like France,
inhabited by • race s) warlike, and at the same time possess-
log in itself such resource., with such wealth and onion, does
not depend for insecurity, its independence, or even its power,
on the question whether the frontier is advanced nearer to
the Alps or the Rhine, but oa its own resources, the spirit
of its people, that unconquerable spirit of independence which
rules amongst Its people, those warlike qualities; which have
been displayed at all times, but which never more than in I
the lest war have exalted the admirationof the world. (Hear,
hear.) Such is the security of France. We know what
has happened to France in our own day. In 1791, befoes
she acquired Savoy—when her people were in a state of dis-
order and apparent anarchy—she war "Wicked by • formid-
able league, which extended from Turin oa the one side to
, Berlin on the other. She was however able, by her own
innate strength, and by the careful military disposition of her
forme to repel those invader, and to conquer the very ter-
ritories from which she had been invaded. (Hear.) Tee
tide of conquest rolled on, until at length her frontier
extended from Hamburg in the north to Remote the south.
Wes she then more secure? On the contrary, three years
after these frontiers had been so extended her enemies entered
the capital of the empire. (Hear.) Therefore I say It is
not the right or the secure policy of France to attempt to
extend her frontier. Her pretreat ruler, without attaining
to those brilliant magus's of his mob% had perhaps more
sagacity and prudence. (Hear, beer.) I have watched that
cherseter, and I cannot believe thet—treeing the distrust
likely to be created—using the apprehensions and feeling of
hostility which might arias in Europe by the pursuance of
such a prospect—l sonnet but hope that it will be abandoned
in deference to the general sense of Europe. (Cheers.)
The motion was then airteed to.
THE SERPENTINE.

Mr. COWPER ot;ti;inini-lea;etonoinate a select com-
mittee to *sire into the beat mew of cleansing the Om-
pentlam
Mr. DISRAELI asked, before the house west Inte corn-
tal!tes oaths Customs Acts, if the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would explain, according to coeval), an addillosid ar-
ticle to lb. commercial treaty with France, which had
bees added by the government.
MINES REGULATION AND INSPECTION BILL.
This bill woo nod s Noted Moo.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS MORTGAGES
BILL.

This WI weed through Wo;nTitttee pro forma.
CUSTOMS ACTS (WINE DU LIES) REPORT.
Mr. MASSEY brought up the report on the COSIOM6 Acts
agreed to on the previous evening rsiative to the mum dunes,
whion was agreed to.

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article. He would now move resolution No. 4in the printed
paper, which referred to th despplicstion of customs duties
upon certain articles therein ted.
Upon the tirst article, "agates or ocenalians, set," a bag
discusei in arose regarding the construction and interpreta-
tion of the treaty, its principle, and its fairness and equity as
a mutual contract and engagement.
Upon the article of apples,
Mr. BEN TINCIC rose (amidst some laughter) end sold he
thought the inexplicable Gordian knot of this treaty woad
have to be unravelled some day or the other with the sword.
He thought the question of apples was one of comilerable
importance. (A laugh). It seemed to him that free trader.,
whether of the old original school, as the hon. member for
Birmingham, or the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
his convert, of late years ignored altogether the
existence of the rural districts of this country. He was no
great producer of apples himself—(laughter)—but he recom-
mended hon. gentlemen who represented the rural districts,
or rather the rural districts themselves, to fight their own
battlee, or they would very likely be called upon to bear the
whole burden of taxation. (A laugh.) Hon. gentlemen
might laugh who were not apple growers any more than
himself, bat he woad oak, wee it worth while, se he bad
not heard of any agitation for the repeal of the apple laws—
(langhter)--and therefore the proposal was wholly gratui-
tous—to Interfere with a description of article the losses upon
which would chiefly sffsot small proprietors?
Mr. RIDLEY said be anopoeed the hon. member was an
advocate for the Norfolk bins. He thought, instead of the
treaty, as the hon. gentleman seemed to suppose, being
solved by the sword, if war was to be avoided at all, it would
be in conaequenoe of the treaty.
Mr. EWART said he was the member of a commission
which bad discussed the question of removing the duty on
apples, and it was then shown that it would be largely for
the Desalt of the poor. (Hear, hear.)
The articles of arms, brass manufactures, brocade, bronze,
taxes, esoutclionc manufactures, and raw cherries, were
I agreed to.
The portion of the resolution referring to porcelain was
then agreed to.
"Corks, ready male, and squared for rounding," called up
• warm bet unsuccessful champion of the British cork-
cutters in Mr. T. DeNCOMBR, supported by Sir F. BARING,
a motion made by them to add the words " the produce of
countries from which the export of cork wood is free" being
negatived one division by 191 to 118, miter a long and ahem
debate.

An amendment, moved by the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, to lumen the words, "produce or manu-
facture of, or imported from, France or Algeria," was agreed
to.

Mr. MACAULA.Y wished to know how far the house
was free to discos the propositions of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer. Part of the resolutions now before the commit-
tee stated that the Queen had recommended parliament to
do so and so, and he wished the government to state how
far the house would be hoe to discuss time propositions.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Queen could not comply
with • treaty by barely recommending the consideration of
certain proposals to parliament. Teat, in plain languege,
mast unless all those engagements which required the
assent of parliament received that sanction. It would there-
to?* be perfectly competent for the Emperor of the French,
if parliament dissented from any of the articles of the treaty,
to refuse to ratify the remasndtr, or to propose a new treaty.
Sir J. PAK [ROTOR said that the answers of the govern-
meat were ovaries. The question referred, not to the rejec- '
thin of aa entire article, but of some particular item—at
dal flowery, for instance—of which there were teeny com-
prised in one article. Was the house free to reject any item
which it thought impolitic without making it neotseary to
re-open negotiations with France f
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the right hon. gentleman
was as competent to answer that pretion as the government
wee. It woe a matter for the discretion not only of parlia-
ment, but of the Emperor of the French. It waanot very likely
that the Emperor would throw aside the treaty on account of
the rejection of such an Item as artificial flowers. But, sup-
posing the labium to be very strong in France that England
was getting the best of this treaty, and that France was mad*
the stave of England in the matter—(hear, hear)—it might
be desirable to adopt the provisions of,ths Meaty with as little
alteration as possible. (Hear, hear.)
After • few words from Mr. WHITIMIDE, the chairman
reported progress. and the house resumed.
The Oxford University Bill, and the Administering of
Fobs= Bill peered through committee.
T►e ►oase adjourned at half-pat 12 o'clock.