The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-14 00:00:00

LONDON. TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 14, 1860.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAY, Ammar 13.

ROYAL COMMISSION.
At 4 o'clock, the Lords Commissioners, the Lord Chan•
calor, the Duke of Aron, and Lord Munteogle, took
their seats in front of the throne, and the Speaker
and some members of the House of Commons aps
peered at the bar, when the Royal assent we/ given by
commission to the following —Ottani thriven.
pity (No. 2) ; Herring Fisheries (Scotland) ; INtlee
Commutation ; Game Certificates, de. ; Senior Member et
Colwell (Inds); Admiralty J nriadlethm (India)' BROM"-
ariatice Act (1859) Amendment ; Police and Teems Ine-
powentent (tioodend) Act Amendment; Labonsers' Co.-
tages (lieotheed) ; Militia; Railways Act Ireland (1851)
Amendment ; Land Loan and Enfranchisement Company's
Act, 1860 (Mistake Rectifying) Bill ; Smithfield Market,
Streets, and Improvements; Border Counties and North
British Railway Com ies ; Farrt=Realway ; London
Railway Depot and 's Estate ; Lard
De Freyne's Estate.
The Lou CRAM:MAI took his seat on the woolsack at'
tee o'clock.

Th• Galway Harbour iNL.2,I. BA with amendments,
wa• read a thud tiros and E

CAPTAINS ON THE RESERVED LIST.
der, Hiao, between cakAails7e ar
served list saiii:admiralty, drew the attention of the
house to the lordships indicted opus those officers who had
conditicask retired in 1831, by placing them on the same
footing as thouwho bad retired before 1861 unmet-
ditiondly.
Lord CHELMSFORD supported the motion, as he was
convinced of the jostles el the officers' claim..
The Duke of SOMERSET vindicated the Based ef'
+Admiral. ty against the charge of having treated theirollicani
with bad faith. and contended that it wee 1111161111 the
intention of the admiralty, who made the is in
11 1851, nor the meaning of the order in coupe- to great
captains on the removed list more than an Mon
taudy not a prespective--adveries of pay. This decides
had been anuounced by the admiralty in their reply. ddb
would not, however, oppose the motion if it were made to
Laclede the lalsalisearm Wilde
' Lord HATVTVE thought the noble duke might
have looked at the case from a lees narrow point of view.
The motion as seasoned wee then speed to.
REERMHIIENT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES
It havin Lees (=LAND) BILL
g resolved, cm the motion of Earl GRAN-
VILLE, to take this hill as a grant of supply, so as to re.
move it from the standing order of the house against read-
in Mlle a sewed time after 214 July,
Earl GRANVILLE moved the second reading.
Lord DENMAN rose pursuant to notice, to move that
the bill be read a second time that day three months. He
said ho never hake a more unpopular bill, and he particu-
larly objected to it on the ground of its interference with
trade.
The Earl of HAIIRLNGTON, although a friend of free
trade, could not support the bill, which would tend to in.
maw the tawnier ef pahlie.heases, and coosequeutly dram.
kennel...ad the crime. arising from drunkenness.
The Earl of LIONOUtiHMORE entertained great objec-
tions to the machinery' of the bill, and therefore he felt
compelled to vote akiinat the mooed nadiug.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH hoped the government
would passe bdore it premed this boil say further, since it
interfered with the exiling police regulative., upon which
the lame of Ireland so much depeuded.
Lord MONTEAG LE was afraid these refrethment
would be made the means of diatnbuting illicit spin... unlearn
strict police regulations were kept up. He would suggest
that the proper course for their lordships to pursue would
be to allow the bill to be read • vetoed tame, an onler that
its machinery might be improved is auinmatice.
The kirl of DUNGANNON trusted his noble friend
would persevere in his motion. This was a bill of • very
serious character when viewed in connexion with the poem
liar state el thins in Ireland. Nine-tenths of the Militia
eompinicies were hatched in public-house., and therefore he
'windup...a the measure as one of the must daugerous ever
laid an their lordshipa' whir. It was an unfair and un-
justifiable proceethos on the part of the government to
oree such • Lill on at the big-end of the seesem, and when
them were very few Irish peers in town.
The Earl of MA YO thought the bill was very defective.
Tait if tha noble earl (Earl Oranvihle) would give a pledge
to amend it in committee, he should not be disposed to vote
mmiust the second reading.
The Earl of DERI3Y- begged to ask the noble earl
whether be co usidered the Lome wee at liberty to move
aniettanteuta to the bill—not to the financial dames, but
merely to that relating to the powers of the police. He
also hoped their lordships would not be told that it was the
deternimation of her ihjeaty's toverno.ent that no amend-
menta could be adopted to any part of the Lill, on amount
of its being pertly of • thaneial character.
Earl GRANVILLE would not preheat to say that this
was a bill on which it wee not competent for their
lonlahips to make aineotheente—(licar, hear)—but Le
could not pledge her Majesty's government as to the comes
that they would adopt in the event of such amendments
befog proposed and carried. He should, however, el-
tretuely refit that any amendment.; should be introduced,
became this bill had Wen fur the must part well consi-
dered, said its principle hail already been assented to by
the hour. At the same time he was very far from setting
up the doctrine that this was • bill with regard to which
it would be an inconsistent or an unusual practice for their
lordships to amend any clauses which appeared to he objec-
tionable. (Hem.)
The Earl of DERBY made an appeal to the noble lord
(Demme) to withdraw his opposition to the mooed reading,
on the ground that the course would be not +July inoouve-
pivot but unpurioue.
Lord DE—siN, however, said he felt compelled to di-
vide the house.

Tlheir ips divided, and the aumben were :
l'untentii
N‘i-conteptit 5--22

The Lill was thew read • second time.
CENSUS (SCOTLAND) BILL—CORRUPT PRAC-
TICES PREVENTION ACT (1860 CONTINUANCE
BILL.
These bills were read • third thee sad
POOR RELIEF, Stc.
Li (IRELAND BILL
This lt Fiord threogh committer, with the exception
nt Lord

Normals- was

silly parson might take advantage d the fed to oppose the
introduction of a larger meeeure nest year. With
tq the question of urgency, it wits surely enough to say that
the lAll would tend to save the publie money. The Macke
into which it was proposed to transfer a portioa of the
wrings 'sulk funds were the Turkish, the Canadian, the
Jarneecs, and some other Wert India loans, all of which
were perfect securittee.
Their lerdsllint then divided:
Contrail lB
Non-contents lB-0
The LORD CRANCELLOR—SiIaper presumitur pro
ovate.
bo the motion was rejoalad, sad the house adjourned at
.1. few minute before 9 Alb&

UOUSE OS COJOIONEL—Monuir, Auourr la
The Spurn took the chair at the usual hour.

NEW 11.7418E1L

Yr. F. WDonoroii,ti;e newly dewed member for Sligo,
took the oaths and his seat.

ROYAL ASSENT.
The Yeoman Umber of the Black Rod appeared at the bar
sodsosamosed the Speaker to attend in the Rouse of Lords
and hear the royal must even by commiarion to certain
bills (for list of which saeLade' report).

Names or MOTIONS,
Mr. Form, early next sessiee, to move en edam, to the
crown -praying alisseinses. to neepien lee animainaue is
all churches in support of the fairies of those churches.
Mr. A. LS, next session, to move for a select com-
mittee to Monne into colonial and military expenditure.
THE AIfATOAMATION OF THE INDIAN ARMIES.
la answer to Sit DI L. EVAAK,
Sir C. WOOD stated that a mixed committee of officers
bad been appointed to any out the detail, of the 'media-
-1 maim of the local and Enropean forces in laths. He bad
been fortunate enough to obtain the services of Lord Rothman '
to preside over that committee. It consisted of Sir 0.
' Yorke, General Clarks, of the Madras army Drigristkr-
General Russell, Colonel Wetherell, Colonel Melville, end
ono or two others. They had worked most harmoniously and
satisfactorily together, and he bad no doubt great benefit
would arise from their walled eensideration of thezbll
Their instructions embraced all the questions that in t
urns, and dn= wend bop* to nig
EAST INDIA LOAN—COMMITTEE THEREUPON.
The hones having gone into committee,
Sir C. WOOD, in moving a resolution enabling the
Secretary of Hate in Council of India to rinse moiler in the
United Kingdom for the service of the government of India,
after touching upon a few preliminary points, proceeded to I
show the state of the Indian finances. Takiag the last two
years together, he hed last August estimated the aggregate
deficiency at 7.3,9143,0001., and the actual deficit in three
yens turned out to be 24,166,000 f., a difference of only
1110,000/. The deficiency of radian revenue for the
present year was 6,196,001.4 or, including
teed interest on railroad capital, 7,472,00 W. .Yo one,
he observed, mould be sanguine enough to suppose that
this deficiency could be met by a reduction of the military
expenditure, in which, however, there had been a reduction
in the last two years of this branch of the expenditure to
the amount el 6,000,000 t. After reviewiug the principal
items of charge which had augmented since the year
1656-57, the pattern year, before the mutiny, he stated
that, comparing the estimated 11.1110110 t of revenue with that
of charge or the year 1861432, the estimated deficiency
would he 6,611. The question wax how this de-
&Stacy was to be met, and, after • careful examination, be
' had come to the conclusion that it was impiseible to effect
this by • reduction of expenditure. The government
of India had resolved to meet the exigency by • sys-
tem of increased taxation, including en moms tax,
and, although the result of this experiment might be con-
templated with some anxiety, there was no alternative,
and he thought the home government and parliaineet owlet
to give its best support to the government of India. The
next question was the probable produce of the new Mum
Not mach could be expected to he obtained a the pre-
sent year; but, in 1661-2, it was estimated that they would
yield 3,100,0001. ; deducting this from 6,611,0001., there
would .till be a deficiency of 3,111,0001. This, he believed,
would be eventually net by a reduction of expenditure, ace
that at the end of the year 11361432, the expenditure end
the revenue would be equalised. He proposed to
provide fur the immediate deficiency without having re-
course to borrowing money by means of the bananas in the
Treasury, and from the payments on account of railroads in
India, which would amount to 7,000,000/. this year, of
which 5,01.10,0001. would be disbursed in India ; and he
unwed the resolution empowering him to rain a sum not
exceeding 3,000,000/. by way of
.precaution only. He
then entered int) details regarding a paper currency,
railroads, public works and improvements in India,
revenue settlements, the new erangements made in
Oude and the Puniaub, the treatment of the talook-
dam, and other matter' of a social and econinnieal
nature, concluding with a confident anticipation that
in time the Improvement of the country and the
augmeutatiun of its resources would make our rule of India
the means of conferring a lasting benefit upon the people.
Mr. H. SEYMOUR considered the statement of Sir C.
Wood most unsatiefactory, contending that the government
Lail not exerted their endeavours to keep down the °epee.
diture to the lowest point. He discussed at much length,
and in a tone of severe criticism, the financial statement of
Sir Charles, the topics introduced into his speech, as well
as its omissions of such subjecta as the civil service, law
reform, and the male of land, accommuying his strictures
with suggestions of his own. He condemned the proceed.
togs of Sir C. Wood in relation to Sir C. Trevelyan, and
complained generally of his mode of carrying on the business
of India.

Mr. W. EWART looked chiefly to • reduction of the
military expenditure, and a better ergimiastion of the
Indian pohoe. He should also strongly recommend the go-
vernment to adopt the system of military poets in the suet
healthy parte of India, as had been recommended by Sir D.
Martin. He did not believe that any coudderable
saving could be effected by • reduction of the sale.
rim, of officers in India, though something might be
done in that respect by calling the unoovenanted
servants into more active employment. But he believed
Bast • strict system of appropriation, with an im-
perial audit of the Indian accounts, was what was
most wanted for India. He wished also to ex-
press his opinion that the council was inounsistent
with • vigorous sxeoutivs.
Mr. GREGSON mid, with en increasing revenue and a
diminishing army he looked forward to the time--which
he hoped would be uo distant one- -when the revenue and
expenditure of India would be equahred. He we* glad the
right bun. gentleman bad not increased the taxation on salt,
which would be • most oppressive tax on these uulliuw of
India who lived upon rice and salt ahem.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he did nut take so sanguine
• view of Indian finance as hie hoe. friend the member for
Lancaster. On the contrary, the pecepective state of
Indian finance appeared to him in &meat gloomy light. One
of the meet serious points connected with this subject was
that they did not know the ground on which they were
standing. That was apparent from the fact that
Mr. Wilson told them that the deficit of the
right hoc gentleman hail been auderstated by 3,000,0001.
He believed that the finances of India depended on the
mode in which they would compose the army. (Hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said he wished to call the attention of
the government to the lure. which had been sustained by
the realest. in India during the mutiny.
Sir DE L. EVANS believed there was no doubt that the
governmeet of India encouraged awl ordered those persons
in the insurance office. to moist in putting down the mutiny,
and inountestihly the government wens bound to act
liberally in their ou.structiou of this remarkable me°.
V Mr. ANSITTART said the aspect of our financial pun.
the' in India was • most gloomy one. At the same time
lie could nut agree in the income tax proposition of Mr.
Wilson, which by excepting nothing but the allowance.
of private sokliers and noteconeniosioued officers, was motet
all calculated to resioudle the native population to such a
searchin tax.
Mr. CRAWFORD supported the resolution, but in rote.
relics to railway undertakings expressed • hope that the
government would pause before they extended the system
of guarantees which had hitherto been adopted.
Mr. T. G. BARING criticised the speech of the how
member for Poole (Mr. H. Seymour), contending that Ills
demands were unreasonable and his attack epee the present
administration of India nest unfair.
Mr. AYRTON objected to the course ~f giving to the
government of Indic what was asked without mumnination,•
• coulee of unlimited credit that would produce unlimited
extravagance. He urged the abolition of what be termed
the " mock parliament," the Legislative Council of India,
and the establishment of separate government. in India.
Sonic observations were melt by Mr. Hadfield, Mr. Kin.
nand, Mr. Lygon, and Major Parker.
Mir U. WOOD gave a general reply, and the debate, the
greater part of which was listened to by not more than
thirty member., was brought to a close by the resolution
being greed to.
THE FORTIFICATIONS (PROVISION FOIL
EXPENSES) BILL.
The house then went into committee upon the Fortifica-
tions (Provision for Expenses) Bill, in which the policy of
borrowing in the form of terminable annuities, in pre.
ference to stook, wee incidentally discussed OH an amend-
ment moved by Mr. Hubbard, the object of which was to
separate at each half-yearly payment of the annuities the
amount of interest from that of principal, and which was
resisted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the ground
that it would mime • very embarramin.g question in levying
the income-Mx.
The amendment was negatived, as well as another, moved
by Sir F. Smith, to rodeos the sum for Portsmouth by
200,0110/.
The clauses of the bill were agreed to.
The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up
and agreed to.
Thu Consolidated Fund (10,000000/.) Bill awl the Stamp
During (No. 2) Bill penal through committee.