The Express.
London, England, 1858-04-22 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

EOM OF 0011110N8.—WiuminAyotrau. 21.

(Cominded from yesterday's lagrose.)
PUBLIC BWIINII 88.
CHURCH BATES ABOLITION BILL.
The CRANCILLOR of the EXCHECIIIIR mid be
add sot help thinitig that this gmellea led new
SITIVMI at • Mtge when the house sheohl be
reedy to Moore any proposal *bonded he tie solu-
tion ; mad with thee view he hit OM there would
be some edreatoge I. going bee eseensittee, ekhough
he mold set sweet any very megnine hope that the labour.
is that esemmittee would muse improve the present proposi-
tion or mime the objectless, is merely on .het side of the
hoer, hetes the other, to may se Ingrebants. They
weold, !reefer, bum *eV, et the seggeetion of
tah=ohea. wages kr • end One we mother
we the &mitered * (the Chan-
cellar et the well worth the eassihmiden of the
hew. Thm ememhesed, d set at the primal
lige, mut be Mat, se it wee higassible that the hen. amber
ter Herderdthire amid *tag It thrweed M theme
✓ip Re hoped therein' thee his ben. lirieed, the member
kr Beath lalesetersidre weld withdraw hi meths hr post-
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the
be* se= far Heradordelere, whisk could not be intro-
duced st lop Ware stage of the bill. (War, beer.)
Lad I. RUBSILL quite agreed with the right hon. po-
thers upped* sod *rehire thought it deed* that the
boa. meieber hr Booth Leine treks amid witheenr kis
meth* (Ear, bear.) It wee pile Ilme Net they
%No eetmilen. end II ee
hem tapatlmene s MOW haße ge ! enema in thepegmew ete
the of the Palm Mike OM the NB la il
present weldnee law womb Mom is wane in
smear gime. Bint sethe estiethetery eselimmot et the
prelim wee Impewildwig salmi for, and with that Mew the
emenimme et the ben. -mobs, for Hertheabk•
is him te be very watt/ their mmasisw. (Herr.
the sem thee be wed* ads a that it shooed be
aid te sages* are edgest ie abash ram, and ad
allempt le mime Woe Opole whhit were al=
saw et *eft It wee dried& that edigiag
cad sionothyards Audi be maishinsi, but whew the
-aril minim thengli it de in* that them
skald be • prertion he bellikes yew shwas* la
elf"tprim tad thee Nosh provision amid am eat
heiprefeeed Me me had or rats, it wee *OW this the
hem 111111bilf went hemmed anything that wee la Ni. temenia•
Peden et ihe bees. (Rear.) If Bosh provhket wire se-
awry, l should be the subject of a separate WI; but, with
this somplew, be should certainly be dimmed le lath with
peat at the popooltkin of the hon. member for Ben-
*ede is To prohibit the payment of church
rake in parities Mem they were willingly pals some. of
the parie mosig. hi opinion, be be, la pn-
sips rules hompediamt ht pestle& as it se haggard that
there ewe may parishes is which the Ivry wee rammed
afar ass-selieeta far several yawl, with the dell wart
of the perishionsre. On those °combos the dimehro had
some tweed mod °Demoted to the reseempties of the nth, in
beemeny with the rest of the petiellatem lie wee glad,
theeshem Net ao prohibitory Mem was suggefted on the
per* esemisa. With Mord Is W lidu_!lPMP°l4 °i
mmMfea hem church re* ambited with menaioa from
the slestlon it ehnrchweedes rim other emseims it
one which be thought they mire enpiptett although Wtbill
much objei es at ad end in -
ewe ono the
dissemiere pen mankse le the chuut if
• etaidisetheeweer Mk, he thought it should not
'Mita is themes of oberebwordsw, loot to the voting for the
disposal el amp to which the eneinded parties had not
ems treated. He thought that • hir end Jost ground of ex-
amen& (Neer, Use.) To be anciacted from the 'retried
en seensime where the only questite wee the dispose] of the
nee seem" is him to be only jade*; but, taken aloigetkter,
he those* that the ad the hon. member for
Heriforaihe amid the beet atheien that had yet been
Lit%Be wee told thee there bed boa large majorities
of ill abolition, bee h Amid be remembered that
may voles bad been given with etewidmsble reservation as
to whet should be after wards done la committee. He was
mdte ready to discus. any reasonable proposition; he oonektered
the proposal of the hon. member for Hertfordshire to answer
Net de.ctlmllan and thong:we* joined in the call on the
bea. miler he Sena Leimmershire to withdraw hie
...Wee. (Beer beer.)
Kr. NIWDBOATIL i sewing to the proposition of
the boa. somober for Herteadairs, did not withdraw one
iota is the priazillee he had always poleawd, which were to
pewee end Ws, is every part at the kingdom, the
church reetebiished bylaw.
Mr. PACK B, after the egged mole to him, begged to
withdraw he amendment. (We, no, and divide.)

Mr. BRIGHT theeight they hod a right to complain of
the eters* the hem asumbar sew petameed to take, viz. to
weehaw the ememdm=l. The UM. seolinenn was not a
yews, member el the house; he koew whet be Weeded to do
wham he semi the smosodmant, and wad set have been in-
flamed by soy misombnelemdlog. Hie object wee to throw
over the MIL and they hei been engaged three hours in dia-
ember that proposition, the whole of which time would
he meted if they did me divide. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr.
Bright) advised those hen. gentlemen who were to favour of
the bill to divide the hefts upon the qiiestionim;hrt
at all evicts, was the course he was
to take. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the observations of
the noble lord (J. Russell), he did not think the noble lord
bed wall considered the points he had placed before the house
He (W. Bright) doubted whether the amendment of the hon.
member (Mr. Pallor) could be brought forward at all in
semmhise ea lids tell. That amendment proposed to levy a
Merge apes boom end land, which wee something like lay.
lag on a new tax. In point of order, thereto= be doubted
whether the bon. member could move his amendment. (Hear,
hear.) But if he did, those who were in favour of the bill
would know how to meet It. (Cheers.) It appeared to him
that the noble lord sad others, who as yet were only half-
way between the wren sad the right, imagined that those
who made this quad= their own and had studied it all their
lives did not understood it. They bad been treated with
Indignity and humiliation often 'sough, and he could arum
the noble lord that they had not now brought the subject
hrward merely for the purpose of getting up a debate for two
er three Wednesdays in the erasion, bat with the determine-
d= to get rid of church rates. (Cheers.) And if any-
body supposed he might devise a middle course, by which
owners Should pay instead of occupiers, or by which
met should be enabled to make a declaration of their roll.
gime opinion, and so avoiding the Impost, and that this
miespronties would be accepted as &settlement of the question,
he was altogether mistaken. (Chien.) The noble lord, and
these whoentertained the Name views est= noble lord. SN'tilKi
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least 1n aati-elmsbacifti fa tht boon sititoogh
lbw wow dam. The want of oberz:ation
es ihe pis beschan dig thora ea Ode shatter was remark-
nib, dry fry et dims palliation. could
love irks
may egad is settling die question. There was but one
way of settling it. If the sprownts of the bill were in a
lasiaity tam wield smith It ;list iI Na advocates were in a
majority, asthly
In knowilasyhiston MMMMhoarse, and for more
so do searry, Yam Mao ths settling of
it (Clone) lama etwervitkes brl bow made so to
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whetsardirbt IM done with regard to this bill in another place.
That stbm pies had not always laid so much respect to the
resolutioss of the House of Commons as the noble lord
(Lord J. Russell) naturally desired that they should.
(" Hear, how," and a laugh.) That other place, in their
MeMment of thst berth seamed to retard themselves as the
peeps*, the deserthresten, mad the House of Commons
as the people of the Idkim. It might be that they
waif be es healed In respect to this bill, though be
did mat beim they weed; foe it was well known that there
IMO =ay mom people noxious about the fate of this bill
them thee was deed the his etas Oaths Bal. (Hear, hear.)
Lad YR wise Mad that saw prig the House of Com-
ments by • barge amemity It wee year ate, year rejec te d
ithemleme, lithe midi, thud that ether place would not
keg have the opportunity of se thwegardieg the wiehes of
the peat bay cif the spins. ( Hear, hear.) He desired
that the mums eleulf - la each • form as would meet
the Aim ef the kindrds and thousands—my, of the mil-
lirem—of pee* eat of doors who were watching with deep
=zloty the nada of this debate. Let them not suppose
that the thementees sloop were interested in the settlement of
this question. Uhe were • churchman he should use stronger
lawgwege la speakieg of this impost than he did. It wee is
the intend of handy sad morality, of peace sad of religion,
that he embed the hear to abolish this nojust aced irritating
=(Hear, hear.) It be were a churchman he
std mammal of the tonne taken by hamar-
ebb _ potatkmea_ "pad% ; for it proved that they bed
se dab In their church, or in the seal of those
mbe isieemd is her oommunioe. Their opinion was that
lie temult would fall Into a state of dilapidation and ruin if
this bin were to pase, and it were no longer upheld by a
and unjust tax. Ha (Mr. Bright) had never
mil one-thoweandth part so severe against the
ethers\ Is that, nor did be think that those who used that or-
believed in it. But they appeared to have been
ay in the idea that this impost of church rates had
ba do with the ascendancy of the church ; and the
bad theme a matter of =Raiment with
=hasetherr than of argument. He lived in a parish where
midis am& Mu were hided It was difficult to find the
mean ta ire. W tbe O&M eff the church ; but now that it
was WI to tie relmeery pearl* ample funds were forth-
asd the pied wee maintained in better repair than
mar. WNW the MUM result would take place in every
mislt Is Wesestry If church rates were abolished, and
ff It were left to the voluntary efforts of
do members of the church to find the means for
bemiss the fabric In repair, and for public worship'
the sinsihes mesa be sena bathe tam rem of than they '
mem sow. ,
_bor.) Is the learnt, therefore, of the
thine Ihmitereited the boar le pass this merere, es will
Sthe WINO 014111111•11. hessety god essemea=
e who Inereght the quietism Myna we
their lit die. ma their *Ms it the miter, and
marknew aide taloa plies that they mid
erg lawellthey desiried. (deer, betr.)