The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-03 00:00:00

ANNEICATIONOF SAVOY.

Sr R. PEEL baled to ask the noble lord the Secretary
el State for Foreign Affairs whether, with a view to a solu-
tion of the question that had arisen between Switzerland
abd France with regard to the annexation of the neutralised
provinces of Savoy to Frame, her Majesty's government, in
reply to the despatch of M. Thouvenel, had accepted the
that of three proposals contained in that despatch, namely,
the asseaddirig of a coupes' at Paris for the settlement
ef yeastion.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was true that her Majesty's
government had accepted a proposal for a conference on the
subject of Savoy, and Rums also had acceded to that
R.
flir R. PEEL asked when the conference would meet.

Lord J. RUMELL replied that no detenuinatiou had
been come to on the subject.

EUROPEAN FORCES (INDIA) BILL-ADJOURNED
DEBATE.

The adjourned debate on the amendment upon the second
reading of this bill was resumed by
Mr. RICH said that in India, if this bill passed, and the
European troops there were all of one sort, we might one
day have regiments discontented, and with their attach-
ment to 31 WPM out by their being kept sixteen or twenty
years out there, and those troops might obtain the mastery.
It would be wiser, therefore, to maintain the two different
corps, the Queen's troop and the local army, so as to have
two lep to stand upon instead of one. And it was not just
to abb the hid= army by way of a punishment for the
mutiny which happened eighteen months ago. That offence
had been condoned two or three times over, those very men
being invitod to enlist in the Queen's army as soon as they
arrived home. For these reasons he opposed the change,
believing it would have • very bad effect.
Mr. TORRENS said the present was not the time
to 'carry this great change, and it would have been much
better or tho government to have confined itself to the
=lice of
measures
, and havere allowed the the country
unery questionfrom of
military iormpuisation to stand over till a more favourable
time hod arrived for cionsideeing and settling it.
Sir DR L. EVANS complained of the manner in
which this important patios had been brought before the
boon, without the aseemary information. From the por-
tion of the papers recently produced, the question, he said,
wore in many respects quite another aspect, especially
with reference to the opinions of Lord Clyde and Sir
William Mansfield, and the insubordination of the
local troops, who, he thought, had experienced
1 bard measure. They had been imbued with the con-
-1 victim that justice was on their side. The alleged founda-
tion for this legislative measure was the bad conduct of
these troops ; but the papers hitherto furnished did not bear
out the plea. The house had been led to believe that the
whole of the local force had diaappeared, and that, if con-
tinued, it must be recreated ; but the remaining local
troops numbered 17,000, and, in his opinion, so
large • European irony as 80,000 men was not required
in India-50,000 or 60,000 would be sufficient. A
most important point was the constitutional question—the
Horse Onards question. He had so doubt that the prospect
of • large amount of the military patronage had something
to do with the change that had come over the government
In conclusi he observed that, if the measure itself were
ammo, the meaner in which it had been little-
docid would justify the hones in rejecting it. He moved
that the debate be adjourned.
Mr. H, MILNES seconded this motion.

Coked DlTNNirmid the remeas given (with introduction
ci the bill were to loesiea to the purpose, and so unfair to
men who had minthdd themselves in an heroic manner,
that he fully eyed with those who wished the
measure to be 'withdrawn.
Mr. AYRTON thought the right hon. gentlemen the
Secretary far ladle bed hardly hose treated with hided ma
the present wadies. When his right hon. friend bet
year introduced a hall for the pompom of extending_ the
number of European forme for service in India, he did sot
dessoit himself to any definite view on the qu sad
psi be the present instance he was charged witheasub
the subject to the notice of the house without
brig consulted the members of the Lath awe&
right hon. baronet (Sir C. Wood) had acted en de own
= i
inviting
in proposing ththismeasure ; he bed properly
from the 15 members dhi dencil each
to Erie • minute on the subject. The mien before the
bore put the 'matter in the clearest view; end with such
• was ei Idinmetion it wee not ter the OVOlD-
marl top ein ibie ail was the rep la which
this was thee mas berm the rlpht hr.
throes. bed set
,os tie • 11111114•11 for the cars
struction of the army. Nor was this necessary ;
that was • matter ter the oceisioalke of the executive
Pedirost had mew legislated or War
=ll:tur rimed to the boa may. It de •• reef
of earies sod diorellon en peat of the gothremeat
that they bad sot sought to bled up a DOW system at ODDS.
The army would be reeoestrimild precisely as it was con-
thestadle the bet= by successive acts of the ene-
mas, to the circumstances as they
MIK 1:=111111•1111111 efthe act of 1858 to sup-
peep that It gueraitimeyllies as it stood ; for the East
Issas directors had shwa emeleed the power ci increasing
re diminishing the Imes et mermen* or =ling what
other alterations th dem Government were pursuing
the same course r been prored hitherto, nod respect-
ing the rights of the elle= el the Indian army, just as
they had been respected liplike that India Company. There
was no ground ter the smeemlise that wrong was about
to be dome by the goveramer. It was easy
to par web swiss eel lesplatier ae would pre-
serve the rights sad petriers elf the arm of the Lima
army, and give them the erns Arm of prometke as
before. Nobody died to dewy the asselbree of the In-
dian army in dialled ;but they could sr hojet the feet
that within the lad three years one past el It bad exploded
in • most modems, lad*, and eastbar portion had
vanished in a sedlisen but mom anneseate and quiet
mutiny. After this It could not be ',deeded that the dis-
cipline of that army was perfection. The troops of the
lndian army had Leen masted to serve the Queen, and also
the Fist India Company ; but by some negligence of the
officers, the soldiers had not been furnished with a copy of
the oath they had taken.
Au Hog. Meuse here moved that the house should be
counted. For the preceding half-hour the number present
had fluctuated from 18 to 24 ; but as soon as the motion
was made, a rush of members from the diniog•room took
piss, so that the number was soon raised above 40.
Mr. AYRTON proceeded. He denied that the men were
right in demanding their discharge, all the conditions of the
service being the, same, it made no difference whether the
East India Company remained as trustees of the crown, or
the crown took the government into its own hands. (In five
minutes the number present had again fallen to 19.) The
hon. gentleman considered that the papery just laid before
the house contained most painful evidence of the insubordi-
natiou of the European troops. He looked upon the
present measure as one which would effect a great improve-
ment in the administration of the Indian army,. red when

it was objected to on the ground of expense, 'he enii then
that expense was only oommerniste with the henikta it
would confer on the British soldier. All obleellme to
might be met by reasonable 'inurement; and he Iguellisid
that no farther obstacle would be interposed to Ile Wig
paved into law. (Hear.)
Mr. DAN BY SEYMOUR reminded the house, the. hg
adopting the mime the responsibility of ha
either in rapid to illeieney or economy, wonlinZi
with them and not with the govensiend l nil
believing as he did that the proposed spin
would not be more ecoomnical than the t,
while it would be leas effective in man 7 respect% idect-
bag to it further on the ground that it warn extendhittte
insteadnlS service the principle of governing Wig in
of in India, be should vote against the secondreiliag.
Mr. GREGEION believed that Sir John Lawrence and
the other Indian officers had given honest opinions on this
subject, but they were necessarily prejudioed. It was true
the oaten of the royal army were also prejudioed, but he
thought the Indian officers were most so. On the whole,
he hail come to the conclusion that it would be best to unite
this happy family, and, it possible, to overcome all the
jealousies which no doubt existed between the royal army
and the Indian army. Bs thought that the cost of the
army in India was too great, and that they Veav tt
esdisce
least ten millions a year by rectories it to proper •
Sir F. SMITH said he would make an appeal to the ewe-
tary State for India to give the additional papers that
were milked for 1017 doing so he might save • dynamo at
this stop of tM ball.
Colesel BYRES, is opposition to the bill, made a running
efarwnsd oresingszy el coma length upon the arguments put
is its support, classed under sine or ten heads,
unit% various reasons hi fay of a permanent European
which. he said, might he recruited to 10,000
nea' with"l t"chlott the resources of the royal army.