The Express.
London, England, 1859-03-24 00:00:00

(Stamped ld. AdditimmL) [TWOPENCE.

Lad DUNCAN would lee be love vied would be the ,
=es ol the bill which es& be inirokeed by her Ma-
government. Being meat anxious to get rid of the
tax, he could at relent eel us way of promo that object
swept by Toting for the emend reeding of this bill. (Hear
hear.) He would suggest that this bill should be proceeded
with, and that as soon so the government bill had been in-
troduced, both should be referred to:a select committee.
Mr. BLACK replied—He said the tax was injurious not
czlato morels and religion, but to the church of Scotland
He believed the eyes of the Presbytery of Edinburgh
were directed towards the Consolidated Fund—an inclination
which be was sure would never be sanctioned by that house.
His own bill woe free from any such otjections, and on that
ground he considered it worthy of their favourable con-
sideration. .

Thb;;s then divided :
For the second reading 216
Against it 176-40
The announcement of the numbers wen lulled with loud

abrets from the opposition.
Kr. COWAN wished to know, after the signffiamt do-
deka which had just been pronounced, when the Lod Ad-
vocate would introduce the government bill. (Heer)
The LORD ADVOCATE, who was almost inaudible, was
understood to say that he could not name any day for its in-
troduction at present.
The committee on the bill was find for next Wednesday
POOR
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT
BILL.
Mr. GREGORY moved the second reading of this bill.
He said the evil which this bill was intended to remedy had
produced a great deal of in Ireland. The es-
meiption that all deserted pauper children were the children
of protestant parents was oppoeed to all probability. The
children were of creme almost always offspring
of poor persons, sod the census taken as
the guide, the probability was 67 to 1 favour of
the parents being Roman catholic'. The legal doe-
trine laid down by Chief Justice Blackburee on
this subject was valid when the protestant religion was the
only religion recognised by the state ; but that not being the
case at present, that opinion was inapplicable. It was doe
able that the legislature should step in and clear up all
double on the subject • and it was on that account that the
bill had Ibsen inuoduCed. The conflicts which had taken
piece with regard to the registry. had all turned upon the
attitude which the poor. law guardians should assume towards
the Poor-law Commissioners. The object which he had in
view was to pennons tranquillity in the vari-
ous boards, and he was urged to introduce the
measure by protestant& as wall as by Roman
esthetics. The present state of things was opposed to the
efficient administration of the poor law, and was prejudicial
to the public service, inasmuch as moderate and quiet country
gentlemen were led to retire from the office of guardian in
order to avoid unpleasant diaputes.
Lord J. BROWNE thought it was greatly to be regretted
that the government had not introduced a bill on this &object.
The bill provided for a subject which was creating a great deal
of feeling in Ireland, and which would had to disastrous
re-
sults unless something were done for its settlement. He
contended that in places where the population was shout
exclusively catholic, these children should be registered and
brought up se catholica.
Mr. GROGAN hod nothing to day spinet the tone of the
speeches which had been made in suppmt of this bill. But
he thought that co reason hod been given for changing our
law on • mere mobsbility. The law had been clearly laid
down by Lord Justice Blackburn., a gentleman whom know-
ledge and honour were not surpassed by any man in Ireland.
lie believed that the bill would introduce an element of dis-
cord into the boards of pardianit He quite admitted that
if the religion of the And could be ascertained, the child
ought lobe brought up in that religion. With regard to the
provision of the bill for sanding out these children to nurse,
he believed tbat this prevision would greatly increase the
practice ref deserting children. A child would be deserted,
end when that happened some one would easily be found to
outrun that, " Biddy So-saduo" was a good girl, and the
child might be tont to ber. Biddy So-and-so would be
the mother of the child, and thus the mother would be paid
for performing those duties which nature east upon her. It
was easy to see how the pradice of desertion would flourish
leader a system like this. (Cries Divide.") He moved
that the second Wadingof Me bill to postponed to that day
six months.
Mr. MONSELL said that there ought to be a distinct
declaration on the part of the government as to the course
which they intended to pursue on that occasion. (Frantic
cheers from the Irish lumbers)
Mr. DOBBS moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. B. OSBORNE thought that the silence of the govern-
ment on the subject looked vet y much like an Immediate dis-
'elution of the house. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (Lord
Nam) and the right hon. gentlemen (Mr. Whiteside) eat
silent at the other side of the home when they ought to
declare the intentions of the government. He demoried a
statement from the government of the course which they in-
' , beaded to pursue. (Cheers.) If they were silent the Roman
catholic, would understood there wee no friendly feeding on
the pert of the government towards them. (Hear, hear.)
Lord NAAS said be had no disposition to armee' the
views of the government on this cpesetioo. He would, how-
ever remind the house how this queedion cams en. At 6
o'ciriek the propoesr of the bill rose and made the fleet state-
nt which the house had heard on the subject of the
measure. That was followed by his hon. friend, who moved
the second resdieg of the bill that day six months. Now
under each eircumatances be did not think there was any-
thisg so unusual in the government not stating imme-
diately their views. (A laugh.) He did not wish to con-
ceal from the home his °platen. Hs believed that this was
a most important subject—a subject requiring the greeted
oomideration. (Laughter.) He was going to stale his
view of the measure itself. (Hear.) He believed that the
the bill of the hon. member for Galway, instead of ending
the question, would lead to more aeriancey, more disaster,
end more confusion than did the existing law. Asol he he-
lined, and wood be prepared to show at kgreper thee, that
the object of the hon. member would be better seennet by
taking some other course. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. FITZGERALD asked whether the new government
poor-law bill provided for the settlement of this queeiton.
Mr. WHITESIDE said that tie tone of the hon. member
for Dome was nut that which ought to have been assumed
towards the government. He had not say right to trey
is
effect "why ere you silent when I desire you to speck f"
He believed that there was not in the bill to which Mr. Fite-
{treed referred any provision on this subject. The bill would
soon be printed, and the hon. member would be able to
answer his question himself. (Hear hear.)
It being a quarter to six, poredebate stood adjourned.
The other orders were then dis of, and the house ad-
jourced at six o'clock.

THE MzituEß YOH ROCHISTIIit AND THEIR
CORSTITUIPITS.—In cOneequene4 of the tumultuous pro-
coating which took place at the Guildhall of the city of
Rochester on Friday evening last, and the refusal of' the
meeting to beer Messrs. Rieghke sod Horde, the members
fir the borough, those gentlemen, in pursusece of ma address
slum issued by them, attended • public meeting last evening
st the Five Bello Tavern, St. Hatgareee-henk, Rochdter.
With the excepOion a some, trifling interruptions, the hon.
members were enabled to eve face eapresion to their len-
timentx After an introductory 'Admits from the chairman,
Martin, who was received with applause,
referred to the reoint riotous ptoccedings at
the Guildhall, and expressed his opinion that these
weedier did not emanate from the comtituency of the
city, but from a party who had plodeterroined to create coo-
fawn. Mr. Ma tin then rt capitulated the votes he hid
grant lathe Reused Commons. With midmost* the govern-
ment hill, the lionontab!e member exorcised his ideation to
ewe mated Its racond reading, and to support Lord John
Bus l's, or say o-her 'mutation, if necessary, which would
have the effect of defeating the immure. (Cheers.) The
repose' to allow the bill to piss into committee must not be
ontettained by Due referents ; for if this course were adopted
with a view to striking out obnoxious clauses and to modify
others, they would be deceived. Hr. Media then elloded
to the several clauses of Ike bill, which be condemned se
unworthy of tbo age, end concluded by expression his
earned desire to support them measures which would
promote the local haunted of hisconstituenta, and enlarge as
well is consolidate the liber les of the people. Mr. &dant
Kinglake, In an eloquent ratites, endorsed the sentiment' of
his colleague with Weems to the government Reform
Bill, and a resolution approving of the p trliament.try conduct
of the :honourable members was adopted.
TESTIMONIAL 70 TILE SECRETARY OF TIIE CITY
Pouts FORM—At &meeting yeaterdeyof the impectorrotli-
cam, and constralra of the City PoliceForand the Wsrd•rram,
Lowden-well, a handsome testimonial, consisting of a silver
teapot, ewer, 'rawhide, one dram tea scams, caddy spoon,
sot mug, value about 401., was repented to H
ors, r. F. W.
Brandeis, the late mastery to the City Polies Fse an
ackeowledgement of his uniform tandems rad gentlemanly
conduct to all in the foes during the eighteen yews that be hid
been connected with them. Mr. &traders km recently been
promoted to the oßoe of " Police RECSINT," sod ha leaves
the form universally respected and regretted.
ROYAL COLLEDB Suaohoue.The folio wing
gentlemen having nod•reone the urelevery examinations for
the diploma were admitted members et the college at a
meeting of the court of .1410116010 an the Slaty instant,vis„:—
Mmors. William Blower, Bedford ; oung Graben,
Stock fort, Che•hire; John Jrase,Ca ; Itched
Mennas, Stamford-street, Bleckfriers; W ism Thomas
Sargaa4 Blatchiogley, Surrey ; Einar Meldola,Grest
Al (Moduran'reeld.; Richard Ley, Booth Mottos,
Devon ; Edward Healey, Hull ; William Adcock Benny%
lidington ; Henry Little Segura*, Magda ; Charles John
Hawke Quebec.; Richard Watford Eve, High-ensia, Dept.
food ; John Angus, Greek-Morel, Soho; Hoary Atthisr
Middleditch, Brunswick-street, Dover-reed; Alfred Jamm,
80euhrmi ; Thome. John Hughes, Woolwich; liderami
Ham Fennell, High-rand, SwithamOoa; Thomas Marley,
Oldham, near llarichertzr ; David Davis., Ashby-shut,
Northemptoniquare; Thomas Blake; Jamid-plaor,
liormondary ; William Wallin. Harden, seer Tonbridge
Walls; and 'diced Scott (MI, Yoffie% sea Noweestlrpor

THE BALLOT SOCIETY.

The weekly meeting of the executive committee
was held at the offices, 6 Guildhall Chamber., flasinghall.
street, on Tuttle, • 11. B. MAIISDZN, Ellq, in the chair.
Major Go, M.P., Mr. Whitehorse, Mr.
Syc enhain Nodes. Mr. F. F. 1.4 Maitre, Mr. Hit, Mr.
Btaveley, Mr. Wickham, and Mr. W. B. Dawes were prer
tent. Subscriptioes were announced of 101, 10s. from Mr.
R. W. Crawford, MX., 101. from Mr. F. Steiner (Accrington),
61. from Mr. James Roes (thawil, Carlisle), 31.35. from
John Bright and Brothers (Rochdale), 31. 3s. from Mr.
Alderman Lloyd (Birmingham), 21. from the Parliamentary
Reform Committee, and other mallet sums. J. A. Blake,
Esq., M.P., H. B. Sheridan, Esq., M.P. (Dudley), and Dr.
Gray (Dublin), were elected members of the coencil. John
awry Dillon, Eel., was elected a member of the twenties
examittee. Reports of recent meetings end proposals for fur-
ther demotwirations were considered. Mr. Wyld, M.P.'s,
notice of addition to Lord John RusseWs 'etiolation was
further and very carefu considered, and as the Miles of
the most sincere friends tithe ballot in the Home of Corn..
math continues to be that Mr. Wyld's propceed addition I.
the moot dimadventageotte manner of bnmeing the ballot
before the bones, the committee resolved to retests tbetr re-
quest to Mr. Wyld not to press his addition. W• take have
to express the opinion that in this matter the committee ere
acting wisely. Mr. Berkeley, M.P., has two notices em
the books, so se to meet either alternative of the mast or
failure of Lord John Russell's resolution. In event of its
succors, Mr. Berkeley will, according to notice, on the first
open day move a sobetantive resolution that the ballot ie an.
indispensable part of a complete meanies of reform. Should
Lord John Remelt be defeated, Mr. Berkeley will then move.
• resolution for the ballot, of which notice is already given,
as en amendment on the order of the day for going into com-
mittee. The following instructive letter from Ludlow wee,
read at the meeting :—" Since 1 lett wrote to this *mien). •
Reform Bill hen been brought forward by her Majesty's- go.
vemmentwhichhaseaneel great alarm and discontent amongst
all true and honest reformers all the country, whereas in
point of het it is no bill at all ; It is • mockery and a.
delusion. But the feeling in this close borough is that we
have no need of farther reform, and the majority of the elec-
tors have the effrontery to state that they will move heaven
and earth ageinat the extension of the franchise and the
ballot; for they my the 61. renters are not tit to be trusted
with the frenchies, se there will be more in the market for
isle, so that they shall not receive so much of what they call
their bounty money, and not bribery, for they state that the
vote was given them to make the most for their own advan-
tage, and they now prey fora diesolution of parliament, not
to further the progress of reform, but to receive a hue bribe
for their votes; and as to the ballot, they say the candidates
would not know whether they served them or not, so that
they would get nothing for their votes. This has been •
family borough for (coterie:a, and the government bill will
make it move so. As to lodgers voting by paying 201. a year,
they will place a number of their own servants as lodgers,
that will pack op a majority for thie borough ; and as to the
&X in the savings bank, there would be a great number of
fictitious deposits mode by the 'gents of the old borough-
margin, so that I can put my hand on my heart end
solemnly state that It is the duty of every honest and sincere
reformer to btutd out for the total disfrenchirement of this
rotten and corrupt borough, as the elections are hero carried
on by corrupt and dishonest principles."