The Express.
London, England, 1858-02-20 00:00:00

THE EXPRES.S,, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 20, 1858.

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be extended Ira enjoyed throughout .11 the Celled
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LORD ADVOCATE wee wedenrod to say that the
oaken wee under ocerlderstion.
BOOKS OF THE IRISH NATIONAL SCHOOLS.
lir. BLACK bona to sak the SF to the Trawury
what proceedings hed bean tam is to the publication
of the (nab school books; irk if be any objection. to lay
Mon the table of the hoses the ecereponamce between the
Geeernanent and the Corriestoese• of National Education
la Ireland, with the Tummy nabob thereupon
• con of letter hem Mr. Themes to the
Chancellor of the Excehquer, on the sore ect, dated
July 14, HST ; and Sir Charles Trevelyan's reply, dated
July 28. 1857?
r. WILSON—The contract entered into with the Coro-
Worn of Harrel Edmonton In Ireland terminates at
the end of the present mirth ; and it is sot the intention
of the government to mew it, except in so far as retards
their own schools. In future they will not be allowed to
*apply the public with books, but the copyright will be
threes era to publishers grarelly. I ary add that during
the arrow of the bet eerbset the dread for these books
hes bees so greet that the wake lord has increased from
SACO to 20,000 a yes,.
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TITLES TO LAND IN SCOTLAND.
Mr. DUNLOP begged M mit the Lord Advocate whether
It woe his hates*e to inhoduee during the present sermon any
mieenre he farther
etgrg end rendering leas eopenaivs
the tides to land is
The LORD ADVOCATE—I have • measure on the sub-
ject in preparation, and I hope to he able to introduce it im-
mediately aftee Easter.
ROBBERY OF INCOME TAIL RETURNS IN THE

mind at on • for sinasioel as to the expediency of per-
mining ths bill to be hesoglit in will continue, now that the
hour hem ths apprlimity d seeing its details ; and ream
that it gleano wiestainal dharetionary power to the executive
—that it only Friar • moss punishment for an
offence of • grove cheracier—that whys WI the one hand it
rat= the pi •Ay /11_1fuglead, on the other hand it mitigates
the penaltyirdstrA, sad redness the law in the two
Wends to the sore condition—l trust the house will cease=
NC the bill a mead reeding. (Heir.)
Mr. having been put,
r.StiBo N said he was not one of those who had
klionred under the misapprehension to which thnoble lord
had rohned, it such misapprehension did exist. He thought
the noble load had taken a very proper coarse in putting the
hoses la pommies al his views u to the exact aim of the
assarre, with the view of removing any misconception
Wilda night previa. But with regard to certain converse-
time, coo.fiial or otherwise, that were said to
ban yard between the noble lord at the hoed of
Ike government and the minister of FISZIOIN he
el opinion that matten of such grave import-
ones—mattes Minting perhaps the honour and reputation
of the country, ought not to have bees left to mere casual
coarremira—(chears)—but ought to have been planed
on
reseed, so as to show the world the position which England-
had assumed in the nations. (Cheers.) In yeopedng the
amendment of which his had given noton Its had no desire
to provoke any angry controversy between the people' otEng•
land and the French nation. (Cheers.) He gram', valued
our relations with that country, and if he were to utter a
single expression having a tendency to produce angry irri-
tating discussion, he should not be acting amading to his
own convictions. He had not been an admirer generally
of what bad been called the " spirited" foreign policy of the
I noble lord at the head of thegovernment. But he wouldfraakly
avow to the noble lord that he had frequently consoled him•
self with the reflection that whatever disputes might arks
from the policy of the government with varier parts of the
world, the noble lord would be no party to any drgarous
controversy or disputa with France. He repeated, he had
consoled himself with that reflection, being one of those who
valued beyond all things, as necessary to the civilisation, the
happiness of all Europe. a permanent friendly understanding
between the nations of France and England. (Cheers) He
would now endeavour to meet one or two preliminary objec-
tions, and put the house in poeeeesion of the exact parlia-
mentary meaning of the motion which be was about to
"Mints to the house. It had been objected by the enemies to
the bill that his amendment was not sufficiently decided, and
that he ought to have proposed the ignominious rejection of
the bill. On the other hand, it had been urged by those who
entertained • favourable view of the bill that this
wee an indirect mode of defeating it, and that the
more candid coons would have been to move that the
bill be read a second time that day three months
Them objections were founded on • miss prehension of the
object he had in view, which was to invite an egression of
the opinion of the house strictly relevant to the bill. If the
house agreed to his resolution, that would not necessarily
defeat the bill ; it would arrest its progress for the moment ;
it would be simply expressing an opinion relative to the nab-
jectiC would be competent for the hour to proceed with
the and pass it into alaw, notwithstanding that his reso-
lution been agreed to. Opinions wars undoubtedly
diverse on the measure. As far as he was concerned he
should gin his rota to the, motion for throwing it out. But
the position he now took was, that they ought not to read
the bill • second time before having given expres-
sion to en opinion ea to the mode in which the government
had conducted the affair which had led to the introduction
of the bill, and as to whether it was not the duty of parlia-
ment to declare that moms answer should have been given
to so important • despatch as that which was laid on the
table of the house by government, and which therefore our
legitimately before them. An hon. friend of his, who ob-
jected to this resolution, said, " You want to take an oppor-
tunity of passing a sort of indirect—be did not say censure,
but indirect- opinion on the management of affairs by go-
=lament, upon an amendment on the second reading of a
bill, thus getting on your aide for this purpose persons who
are not hostile to the bill, but who upon the whole do not
approve the course that government has taken." Now,
in answer to that, he had to say that he should have
been glad to have brought forward his resolution as •
substantive motion, but he had not the command of
the time of tin house. He could not bring forward mamma
when he thought fit, and he very much doubted whether he
should have obtained from government an early opportunity
of bringing the resolution forward. Hs believed that he was
=proper course, a course that could be justified by
t, to asking the house to arrest, for that day only,
the progress of trireme measure, in order to arms the
opinion which he bad set forth in the resolution, that this
important dispatch of Count Walewaki's should have received
a solemn and deliberate's!! swer from her Majesty's govern-
ment (Hear, hear.) 'What was the resolution ? The first
purge was in these words:—" That this house boars with
much concern that it is alleged that recent attempts upon the
life of the Emperor of the French have been devised m Eng-
land end its detestation of such guilty enterprises"
He that every member of that house would give
hie cordial concurrence to the sentiment embodied
in those words. (Cheers.) He would ventureto
say, that throughout the length and breadth of
this lend the attempt to weireinate the Emperor
of the Frisch, had been viewed with universal desecration.
(Cheers) He therefore felt, no doubt, that he had the cordial
cesearrenos of the house in the first paw= of this omelet- I
lion. The next passege was in thre words, "That this
house is ready at ill times to amid in remedying any defects
the criminal law which, alter dm investigtin, are proved
to exist." He put in the words " at all " because he
quite agreed with the noble lord at the bead o the govern-
ment, and the Secretary of State for the Home Department,
that if it were proved that our laws were defective we ought
not to be deterred from making the requisite alters-
tka because other persons might have com-
mitted indiscretions, or because a ruggeetion might
have come from foreign governments. But then
we ought not, he thought, to make a change in our criminal
law without due investigation. (Cheers.) We ought not
hastily to maks this change in the law of conspiracy even
conspiracy to murder. Conspiracy, per se was unlawful in-
tention, or, as it had been called, an unconsummated inten-
tion. Thati was a vague and uncertain offence to deal with.
Thar* was no rhinos with which a man might be charged
where there was so great a chance of injustice being done,
and therefore it behoved the house to be careful as to the ex-
tant of the penalty they impend. He thought it was Sir
Matthew Hale who said that " is a net in which
you catch a dove se well as a hawk." eei therefore, that it
behoved them to be very careful that they did not
maks dangerous change, in the law of England with refer-
ence to the law of conspiracy. He spoke with hesitation, not
with confidence, on so grave a subject, as to what might be
necessary changes in our criminal law. Ha would Mond
his opinions rat.her on high authority, rat men of great ex-
perience, such as the Statute Law Commissioners. He found
that this vny question of the law on conspiracy to murder
had already been brought formally under the consideration of
the Statute Lew Commissioners. At a meeting which they
held on the 73rd December, 1856, at which the Lord Chan-
cellor, Lord Wriothealey, Mr. /hikes, the Attornerthmeral,
the Solicitor•Gemeral, Yr. Guavas, Mr. Coulson, end Mr.
Balsam Ker were present, a letter was read from
the Attorney-General for Ireland, in which the
attention of than distinguished public officers was
celled to the difference between the law of Ireland
and the law of England with reference to conspiracy to
murder. In that letter Mr. Fitsgerakl said, " There is a
considerable difference between the law in the two countries,
and particularly in relation to conspiracy to murder." This
passage called the attention of the Statute Low Commissioners
to that part of the criminal law which waa now under discus-
ica and notwithstanding that, they found that the Lord
Chancellor in the bills for the oonaolidationand amending the
criminal law of England had omitted to make anchangs in
reference to the offence of conspiracy to murder. He thought
that this ought to have some weight with the house, "snug
it was so trent a determination either on the part
of the Statute Law Commissioners or on the part of her
Majesty's government. It might be said that these bills
were for the purpose of oonsolidahng, and not amending the
midlew b‘itAthat,
pmenwastnaomit thet caes.c.d. Iny the.idireport
ia
amen
ocsartrmipcati.
to commit murder. Some of thus are highly penal,
whilst ths remainder are mom admimmiours at common
law. It is obvious =atom all attempts to commit
mud= should be al the tare sirs d alma Section 26,
tberekrw of this coesdlislien KR reins all such attempts
fame This showed that thin wee apowerof amendment as
well as of assolidealle, and therefore he must suppose that
theLsoldhearder end her Majesty'sgovernment thought fit
. after a ddlbsrale *dry by the Statute Law Commissioners
not to .she say deem in the law of conspiracy to murder.
Well, be did Da sell to commit himself to any opinion as
to wheat= the law as in new stood was precisely what it
ought to be, but this he thought was evident, that with refer-
ees to the recent suet which had taken Ore in Paris, the
law el England was sakient in all respects to deal with par-
i ties vine bed reeptred towards that act, and had aided and
abidedie in sr whiled incited peruse in Paris to an attempt
to soasehmile. Whet did we see now ? Did we not see
that • wird lei bens Weed by her Majesty's government
far the snort si • press amid All,op, oh:Soria aiding
sad abeig hi thesauri teersoiste dr of the
Ruth f Did we not sae ales that en dee t in Eng-
ler' bM been bungle bins the piss regkarate, and that
presseilege led bra Ulm with • virr el dig him to
roredlanor devoted al hie having msi or incited
to this see K. bared the law, es it now rod, gave more
power sour pusses who bed sided sod abetted tn this at-
tempt aft vu glom by des MO. Under the 9th George
IV., o. if, say abed el law Majesty In this country who
was an eassesery _bed= the estSei Is he un-
to punished emu In =lnt el his lila,
bat orftlay to the Mat of peed aurvilede it we
roved spier him And he believed that the Idelmekeedho-
=les le the hod had held that web" Os Una
mimic of be, Meaerq ' were included A peruse who
wesereddent =lids the dminime of her Majee who were
bald, therehre, &whir such readence to owe allegiance to her
amen sad lava If that were so, it appeared to him that at
the premed time dark law was ample to deal with any per-
use who bays been concerned in this country in bringing
about that dredtal wrest which has lately taken place in
puls. But dare wry say doubt on this point, he for one
would not be the ma, he frankly said, to stand in the way of
soda se alteration of the law as would enable them to deal
with aserra, be they Englishmen or be they alder who
mnM ipovd bpsnilleient evidence to have aided fa the
cemridoa ci this &MU= act. So much for the MU ; but
he wee not now asking the house for an opinion upm it—
Hat would ease sites his resolution bad been dealt with.
He was not esker the house for an °deka on the
but us* whether it was right that day to read it :m=
time, He red inks leave to Orals that the noble lord at

the head of the government, and the Secretary for the Home
Department, bad held arguments In reference to this change
of the law which were sot quits consistent with each other.
First of all theyr upon theca the maxim that they ought
to do what weer Without reference to what they bad
been said to • which was aic mach es to say
they had beta !biked to do it: "To a certain ex-
tant be ocesourred is that view, though he mast own there
was • sponse of awkwardness in doing an act under dorms.
However let that pees. But after pressing upon them that
maxim, the noble lied and the right hon. gentleman told
them were always going to propose this change of the
law, if are had been no French despatch and no calamitous
mitt in Paris. But if this dispatch had nothing to do with
the present bill, why had it bees plated in a formal manse,
on the table of the house, as it were to lay the foundation of
the subsequent ptomaine which the legislature wee
to Mks. (Hear, hear.) He would undertake to say,
that in the first spe of the noble lord, when he
introduced the bill, they would not find one single
2 1114bles. as to its being always the intention to propose this
or as to having had their attention drawn to it for
some time. That appeared to him to be • second thought.
At least the two arguments were not consistent with each
other, and if it was the intention to remedy the alleged defect
in our criminal law, it was quite to read them •
lecture about the necessity of discharging th duties with-
out any reference to the indiscretionof others. He now came
to the third paragraph of his resolution. He did not know
whether the house bad gone with him so far as to agree to
his two first paragraphs, but he would take leave to
maims that they had no objection to them. The
resolution then went on to express regret that
government had not answered Count Walewaki's despatch.
An expreadon of regret did not necessarily Imply censure,
bemuse they might regret unavoidable circumstances ; but
he regretted whatever might have been the cause of this
omission to answer Count Welewski's dispatch, because he
thought they stood before the world as admitting, as it were,
the tenth of some of the charges contained in that deepetch.
(Cheers.) And more than that, seeing that that despatch
called in question the policy of England in reference to the
right of nyloin—(hear, hear)—that it reflected upon the
mode in which England had thought fit to permit the right
of asylum to be enjoyed by foreigner', he said it was the duty
of the country to have replied courtdedr, , with dignity, but
firmly, and to have defru, and on record e
land
inprinciples which have gui ths policy of England
in reference to the right of uylum._ (Cheers.) Did not it
look as if they were ashamed to dahod that principle when
they found it indirectly celled in gnation, and the insinua-
tics passed over in silence ? He believed that great misap-
prehension existed throughout Europe as to the exact nature
of our law in reference to the right of asylum. Count
Waleweki maid in that despatch •Itis no longer the hos-
tility of erring parties rnenifeetiug itself by all the excesses of
the press and every violence of language; it is no longer
even the labour of the factious seeking to agitate public opi-
nion and to provoke disorder ; it is assassination reduced to
a doctrine, preached openly, practised in repeated attempts,
the most recent of which has just struck Europe with stupe-
faction. Ought, then, the right of asylum to protect such •
state of things? Is hospitality due to assassins ? Ought
English legislation agree to favour their designs and their
manceuvrea, and can it continue to protect persons who
place themselves by flagrant acts without the pale of common
law, and expose themselves to the ban of humanity
Why, if no answer was returned to this despatch it was an
admission by silence—Cheer, haar)—that we bad openly
sheltered assassins, and had actually favoured their designs.
But was that true P It was not. England abhorred assassi-
nation, as his honourable friend the member for Sheffield
said, as much se any nation on the face of the earth. If
assassins bad existed in this country it was no fault of ours.
We had murderers and robbers of our own, who were not
deterred by our own criminal law, or by severe puniihment,
from committing crime. But was it to be said that, because
individual criminals were to be found at a particular titre in a
country, that therefore the:oountry, as • nation, sheltered
those criminals, and that its ;laws favoured their designs ?
No, this was not a fair or • 'vest insinuation against the law,
the policy, or the people of England. (Cheers.) He said,
then it was a duty which the executive government of this
country were called upon to discharge to defend this country
from these insinuations, by a proper, a firm, and a dignified
answer. (Cheers.) He was nary to see the indifference
that had been manifested by members of the government to
this great principle of liberty, which no doubt lay at the
foundation of English policy and regulated the right of
asylum in this country. He was sorry to me the readinssi
with which, during the conference at Paris, Lord Clarendon
gave a silent acquienence to the resolution condemning, or
at any rate aiming at, the liberty of the prow Net
only did he say nothing in defence of that great princi-
ple of liberty of the press, whirl we valued so
dearly, but he actually subscribed his name to that resolu-
tion, and the only answer which the noble lord gave what
called upon to explain that signature wee, " Would you have
my Idord Clarendon make a soma They were all so harmo-
nious; why not let this rentter,which might Indio dimeerons
controversy, pees off unnoticed r It was lito mai met et
thing now. (Hear, bear.) This opium doopatob of Omni
Walewski's was not to be answered, boom the sassy
might lead to unpleasant embassy. HO be sestmilid
that we ought in defence of the bosom el Regime, of We
principle of our law to risk this anima eastromoy ff
we meant to maintain oar position se • silos la the Iwo of
the world. (Cheers.) He said, then,_ that the
ought to be answered. It might be said ilia it was
to answer it. (Laughter.) Wall, he Wollii gaols the
honourable gentleman who sat Wilds blot es that
to show that there were than who were grows' to mow
it. .• I frankly own," said the right her tram ike WOO-
shim •• I never read a despatch which wee sae
ba
to a minister to answer than this one." (Hear, hems.))
there was a very importantiview of this question, vVelt vas
thrown out incidentally by Mr. Dalai, when he =an
the first reading of the bill. He said if they bad the
of Count Walewski on the table, and at the alms eras the
answer of the British minister worthy of the offeeteedofen
his opinion, the government would have met nth me
anny, and the matter would have been discussed Wow tics
two nations with a temper which they all doled, Hs
thought there was great force in that observation. He had
no doubt whatever that if Count Waimea had bow lost at
the

with a proper and
•
beninloanttlir

the part of her hisjesty's:tverumot the, _
gladly, without any f g of namos yr et it
have set to work ass Ms pia el
endeavouring to find a remedy for thy amid Ad
might exist in their minima kw. They wool
have approached the subject in • bathe bits& to say ths
least of it. (Hear, hear.) The comedialimg pert ot his PlllO.
lotion stated that the house cannot but regret that her Ma.
jetty's government, previously to inviting*, homes to amend
the law of conspiracy at the prompt time, ha not telt It to be
their duty to make some reply to the important despatch re-
ceived from the French government, dated Paris, Jan. 20,
1868, and which has been laid before parliament. Now
,
he wanted to call the attention of the noblelord at the head
of the government to the course he had been in the habit of
taking in reference to what were called friendly communiee-
tions to other countries in reference to the state of their in-
ternal law. Perhaps no man in Europe had had greater
experience in the mode of malting communications to
other countries as to the condition of their laws,
and the necessity of a change in their internal
than the noble lord, and he would appeal to the noblgal r'
whether he had found other countries prepared to tales
that friendly advice, as it was called, without resisting?
(Cheers.) He thought he would find that eve aguverb-
meat with whom he bad carried on some osrresa
that description, set him en example as to how he einall
deal with friendly mirk* with reference to a chomp is ado
law. He spoke of the case of Naples. (Hem, hest.) HO
once reed in a paper • foolish idea put out, he sialMby
some eccentric person, about the assassinationof the of
Naples. If the King of Naples had called the noble lord's
attention to that incitement to assassination he had no doubt
the noble lord would have read him a lecture on the neces-
sity of good government, and would have pointed out to his
that the way to avoid all these dangers was to do juatios
among his people. (Hear, hear.) Now, in a des-
Etch of May, 1866, from Lad Clarendon, which
-the-bye was precisely of a similar character to
from Count Walewald to Count de Persigny
the despatch being to our minister at Naples, with a reed
that he would read it to the minister of that coustry.
Clarendon ailed that he wee actuated by afrieseilibelag la
offering advice for the regulation of the Internet elan et
Naplea, and in the administration of justice there, which
would relieve Europe from muddy. The minister of Naples
replied that he would communicate that despatch to the
King, but he said the King could not, consistently with his
dignity, allow foreign powers to interfere with the internal
government of his country. (Hear, hear.) But the minister at
the King of Naples was not content with this convereaties,
but he thought fit to put his view into writing, and he sent a
formal despatch to be communicated to the English govern-
ment, from which he would read an extract. He said " the
English goensimemt must be aware that the Krtuogg el the
Two Skates. seashous in esasseing the Ind
every other math all not slat in any *reign power the
right of Masan= lathe Inland admlohimMon of Naas,
and still lam la einthrhig the adnimilsidill of junta. Hs
cermet have ressthee to the smimanoma_
_syggested tal the
wells» of his slam sal his elm avow Imasts tin making
of them Is Ids nyel aka. The arise of
powers wth aims be sanived with gratitude, but
they will ask smusthred that what suite ems
state way bs erylimals to another." (Chars.)
Pros the male bedsis Ws matter 01 Mouthy
essessothilms, eft etheelinught he vidibas bees
the Obi b ads MO I/ lbw MOW trill°
bed emelkses bus so sod mile bow
boa se eppepipis sa this (Sser, Pr IL) The
=livid.= Seth was aye • voila
1, el Omura awl the ths iseththersel=
U vas me • Imam bthesek§s
pthemmei et Nem& gthealla
They mums nags meth Ithilmothend smmrmr
1164101 larvale%a im veal serrated
sei et assitikkkg
Wrath dig pop* isheithl the bow est thrdep
heOs el th
—hi ethee, essatry.
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ed they
without bthas swan elk, by smith, albas
wink' w~ths met lase la Ithe iethilly the • Pre
as the no
hada very horsetail Wanes is threasi the
Eopinion, sot leen fora asetpoded. Mee, hthr.) Es
right hon. gentlemes) bed keg been a reader 01 the
• end he bad ohm bad hie awn *Wow very auk
infineened by what he pereal in that fountel. Hs wadi
take the liberty of
the of the noble lord at the he realsji short extract from the 2111110
with renames toad d
the government, whey w oh seemed to hint to be aimed at
with womanly' stounoy.
Brand Ilos, Kszaus—The et

Mr. GlBSON—January 22, 1850. (Laughter.) Well, be
did not @appose that the noble lord bad much changed since
then, and he believed the Timm was conducted by the
semi persons and by the same editor. (Laughter.) The
passage was follows There is no constituted authority
Eulowith which Lord Palmerston has not quarrelled-.
(a laugh —there is no insurrection that he has not betrayed.
The t partisans of Sicilian, Italian, and Hungarian
ftedepadanos, bare certainly no especial canoe for gratitude
to a minister who gave them abundance of verbal encourage.
meat and thin abandoned them to their fate." (Hear, hear.)
" Oa the other hand"—mark this—" when Lard Palmerston
had made up his mind to court the good will of a foreign
power, no sacrifice of principle or interest is too greet for
him." (Laughter and cheers.) The pump concluded in
these emphatic, term From first to last, his character
has been the want of a firm and lofty adherence to the
known interest, of England, and it is precisely from a want
of such guiding lawn of conduct that our foreign
policy has into a tissue of caprices, machinations,
pony cant= and everlasting disputes." (Loud cheers.)
It was bearer, he (the right hon. gentleman) thought the
mode in whit* this affair bad been conducted was of all
others the one most calculated to bring on disputes with
France that he had called in question the course which they
had adopted. (Cheers.) He quite agreed with the noble
lord (Lord 1. Russell) that the irritable discussions which
had token plass in that house might have been avoided U •
moreudicious course had been pursued. Cheers.) He
believed that if a per reply had been sent to the despatch
of CountW it was possible that the house might never
have been called upon to legislate at all, or to enter
tmtezz controversy with the French nation. (Cheers.) For
be felt himself entirely precluded from expressing any
opinions with regard to the government of the Emperor.
That was • matter for the people of France; and he, at least,,
would nut set the example of entering into questions cony
' nomad with the manner in which the government of France
was canted on. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had told
them that the government of France rested upon the choice
of the French people; and he (lb. Gibson) knew that there
wee an assembly which was said to be elected by universal
suffrage and vete by ballot. (Laughter and cheers.) It wee
not, therefore, for him to call in question say part of the
made in which the government of France was administered.
(Cheers.) He would confine himself to his legitimate
duty of calling in question the discretion which had been
shown by oar own government; and he would tor;sig=
his resolution in the hands of the Speaker. He
that be had only discharged • legitimate and constitutional
duty, and that he had done so at • time which was fitting.
(Hear, hear.) Thanking the house for the ldndneis arse
attention with which they had heard him, be begged to
move—" That this house hears with much concern then it
is alleged that recent attempts upon the life of the Emperor
of the French have been devised in England, and expresses
its detestation of such guilty enterprises ; that tide 1:40111e
ready at all times to midst In remedying only defects in the
criminal law which, after due investigation, are proved to
exist, yet it cannot but regret that her Majesty's govern-
ment, previously to inviting the house to amend the law of
conspiracy at the present time, has not felt it to be their duty
to make some reply to the important despatch received from
the French government, dated Paris, January 20, 1868, and
which has been laid before parliament." (Loud and repeated
cheers.)
Mr. BRIGHT seconded the motion.

Mr. BAINES next 'poke, but 6L observations were at tint
scarcely audible, in consequence of the noise made by hon.
members leaving the house. He could assure the right hon.
gentleman that If the tendency of the bill had been to change
any constitutional principle it would never have had hie
support. All that it did was to attach to a crime of a very
dangerous and malignant character a punishment more
adequate to its gravity than could be exacted under the exist-
ing law. The truth was, the hostility to the measure had
been conceived before hon. gentlemen knew what it Ina
They had taken a prejudice against it beforehand, because
they apprehended that it would be something in the nature
of an Alien Bill, whereas it was nothing of the kid.
The defect in the law having been made manila
by a horrible crime in Paris which had undoubtedly bun
hatched in this country, it became them as speedily a pa-
able to put matters on a more satisfactory footing. It lad
been said that conspiracies to murder were unknown in this
country, but he recollected several cases which had accused
while he was himself in practice at the bar. It was true that
the parties were not tried for conspiracy, the crime haring
been completed, but in trying them for murder the fact of the
conspiracy had been disarmed. With regard to the Empe-
ror of the French, it would be admitted that he was the
choice of the people, and that he had been a meet
honourable and faithful ally of this country. (Hear, hear.)
It was argued that they ought not to proceed with the bid
on account of the rashness of language which had been used
in France. But he thought they ought to make 'allowance
for the natural state of panic and exasperation in which the
late attempt had thrown our neighbours. A reference to
history would show that our sweaters were guilty not only
of rash language but of rash legislation when attempts were
made on the lives of Queen Elizabeth, James 1., and William
111. Again petitions urging manna of greet int
upon the house had sometimes been couched twirl!
snap which was actually insolent, and they had
been rejected on that account; but would anybody
say the house ought to have refrained from legislation on
that accoull7 He thought that no mean had been shown
why they should adopt the resolution of the right Het hon.
gentleman, or why they should not proceed with the bBl, end
be hoped, theedore, that the house would agree to the mood
melba.
Mr. WALPOLE had waited anxiously till that moment,
expecting that something would have fallen from the govern-
ment that might have enabled him to continue the support
which he bad given to the bill by his vote on its first intro-
duction, and which he would give to it again, if only the
noblelord would:vindicate the honour of his country. (Cheers.)
It was impossible to regard the measure itself with any feel-
tags of deep apprehension; and indeed no argument could be
adduced against it which would not be a libel upon hunanity.
(Hear, hear.) But In the speech of the right bon gentleman,
who had risen be supposed to answer the speech of the mem-
ber for Ashton (Mr. Gibson) not a single reason had been
assigned in reply to an address which was well worthy of
attention whether as regarded the tone and temper:manifested
in it, or the sound principles which it contained. (Hear,
bear.) The right honourable gentleman (Mr. Gibson) bad
not treated this as a question involving our relations
with France; ter he had distinctly stated that it must
be treated se a question between the House of Commons re-
pramaing the people, and the executive government who
were charged with having neglected their duty. (Her.) If
they wets merely discussing the merits of the Nl—se the
right bon. gentleman who had just sat down had done, with-
out adverting to a single syllable which had fallen from the
member for Ashton— (hear, beer)—if there was no question
before the hors but thepropriety of the bill—it would receive
his support as embodying an alteration which he believed
would be desirable. He should, in fact, have supported the
measure upon the plain and intelligible principle that it
called a thing by its right name, and apportioned to it a
punishment commensurate with
.the magnitude of the

;rim. He meals" Mid be should have supported the
MU, and he would yapped it now,if the noble
lord would take ogre that -they were not nkanderstood in
the country sad throughout the world. (Hear, hear.) Great
questions had been raised in this discussion—the canoe of
freedom, the rights of humanity, the honour of England.
From the bottom of his heart he believed that they who op-
posed the 1111, considered by Itself, had done so upon grounds
which were not just. Thom was nothing in the measure to
impeach that tof asylum which this country had always
extended to The bill might have been supported
on the ground common humanity, for it was not 4ht
that the crime of conspiracy to murder should be treatedta
the manner in which ft was by our protect law. Hs would
share with the noble lord, therefore, any odium he might incur
iarting the measure, believing it to be right in
,• but than it must ho on the condition that the
of England was Ent vindicated. (Cheers.) The
despatch of Count Walewaki asked her Majesty's govern-
ment to alter our laws, the requisition to do so being in the
following terms: " Her Britannic Majesty's government an
assist us in averting it by affording us a guarantee of security
which no Mats an refuse to a neighbouring state, and whkh
we are anthceised to expect from an ally. Fully relying,
reareemr an the high seams of the English cabinet, we
refrain hi en Indicating, in any way, the measures which it
mre7 see fit to take in order to comply with this wish. We
it for estimating the decisions which It
shallaidrisarberel'adoulatai to attain the object ; and we stn
firmly persuaded that we shall not have sppeolsd in vain to
its conscheoce end to its good will." (Bear, hear.) That
was a requisition which was something like a demand ; bat
it was a requisition that did not eland by itself. It was
lri_stlur • statement captained in a previous port of the
despatch, a stratoment which he sowerted was contrary to the
troth. The despatch mid—" It is no longer the
hostility of =lopsided individuals, manifesting itself by aLI
the mores of the proms end all the violence', of language ;
it is no longer even the work of the factious, mitre to
rouse opinion and to provoke disorder; it is assamlaation
elevated into dookine, preached openly—(hear, hear)--pree-
Used in repeated effsmpte, the most rsoeat of which has jolt
struck Europe with seassament." (Hoer, hear.) Ths re-
quisition was thaw headed apt, a statement yid* was net
true. (Loud obeers.) Was • aseassination elevated into
doctrine" by the people of this country ? (Chews.) fumed-
nation never hod been "elevated into doctrine" here.
(Cheers.) Oa the contrary, there was no people cm the whole
surhce of the globewhohated and deWftdasseestretton more.
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