The Express.
London, England, 1858-05-01 00:00:00

MILITARY CADETSHIPS.

Mr. LYGOlrga—;;;Mqii; that he ;oZia the noble lord
the member far Tivertoe whether the mount alterations in
to cadetships at Woolwich and Sandhurst were sub-
Mgt'ld to the lass government, and whether those alterations
had received their ssactkm. (Loud cheers from the govern-
ment side of the home.)

insafedient
subject dm present _
a review of the past—proceedings upon this aect,
end of the merits of the first and second bilis, he noticed the
numerous question. involved in the resolutions laid before
the house, the protracted diecuseions to which they must
give rise, the discordance of opinions, end the difficulty of
coming to any practical agreement, the public being by no
amens decided as to what ought to be done. If this were
so, if grave doubts were entertained out of doors ea to what
the measure ought to be, there seemed to be no reason, he
said, for proceeding with legislation upon this subject during
the present session. Ile was not opposed to an alteration
of the present system hereafter; but, under the drown-
stanote, there being no urgency, it wee not wise, in hie
opinion, to !seek up this system, and to part with moan,-
lore well acquainted with the details of Indian government.
Yr. GREGORY mounded the amendment.

The question having been put,
Mr. MILLS opposed the motion. When the noble lord
the member for Tiverton brought his bill forward, it was
urged ea a reason for not proceeding with it that there wee •
mutiny in India unquelled. But if they now stopped short,
and showed that for SOON reason they were afraid to legis-
late, the people would say It was not because there was •
mutiny unquelled in India, but became these was some
mutiny unquelled in the House of Commons. (Loud cheers.)
It was not for him to say who was at the bottom of that
mutiny, or how it arose—but this he said in the interest of
parliament and of the people of the country, and for the ho-
nour and dignity of the House of Commons, that it was
of immense importance that they should not stop
short in the course of legislation for any each cotuude-
rations as had been urged. He held it to be the duty of
the Imperial parliament to legislate for the home government
of India; and he would support any proposition, come from
whatever ade of the house it might, that was calculated to
ensue ea efficient home government for our Indian empire
in the oe.ue of the present year. (Cheers.)
Sir T. BARING feared he was one of those whom the
hon. characterised as mutineers. (" Hear," and
1 • ) He unfortunately differed upon this question with
MN of dare who held a high position in the house, but he did
set onfierstend why, therefore, he and others who took
the same dew era he did upon a question which they were
Mai end bared was not one of party but which they knew
ale ore of the most important that had ever been brought
Ware the esseideration of parliament, should not advocate
ONO ipleileei they entertained. He did not know what other
palm= were In the habit of Deering out of doors about the
gallies in which the House of Commons was
Vlin relation to this question—and few of us
the gift of geeing ourselves as others see us"—but
her (Sir F. Baring) heard in every quarter the exclamation,
" What a precious mese the Hems of Commons has got Itself
Into co this India question." (" Haar, hear," and a laugh.)
And wee not that the opinion, too, of many members them-
selvenyhen they were out of the house,end put 4 for a
time, " the humWg of legislative wisdom r (" Hoar,"
and laughter.) He was sorry to soy that the public beer,out of
doors did not attribute it entirely to their wisdom that the
house had got into this difficulty. (Hear.) These were
some of the reasons that induced him to vote for this motion.
But the hon. gentleman said that it was beneath the dig-
nity and the honour of the house, having decided to legislate,
to agree to this motion. Now he (Sir F. Baring) thought
their honour and dignity would be beet consulted
by getting out of this difficulty as well and as
soon as they could. (Cheers.) If the hon. member
looked at the course of buidness during the present erosion, he
thought he would find the dignity of the house already
=The Assassination Bill had been brought la by •
majority than even this, but what had become oft ?
(Hear, hear.) It was buried with their dignity. ("Hear, "
and laughter.) That was not all. An hon. member moved
an amendment upon that bill, which was rejected by a con-
siderable majority. A subsequent amendment was moved
• right hon, gentleman, the author of all mischief. (Hear.
He had great confidence and reliance in the fidelity of
the European and the native soldier—but was it avery
favourable state of things to allow a bill to par add'
did not provide for the transfer of the fidelity of the soldier
with the taunter of the government? But wastkat all ? What
ditEthey say of the native population ? Would their bill pro-
duce confidence in them P If he had heard of anything, or
if he had dreamed of that which was so poWie among a
certain clue of Englishmen in India—it was that India was
henceforth to be governed for the English. Would not the
knowledge of that demand have an effect when they passed
a bill which made no provision for the manner in which the
people of India themselves were to be dealt with? Had
they heard nothing of the petitions which had been pre-
sented against outs, and the connexion of the government
with the religion of the native? Did they suppose that
that would produce no effect on the minds of the natives ?
Did they suppose that the native population would not look
to these matters, and that they would not carry cannon
sad uneasiness to their minds, and did they suppose their
hill, which settled some small questions and was founded
upon the difficulties that had arisen between Leadesthall-
street and Cannon-row, would produce quiet upon all those
subjects ? The bill might settle the East India Company,
but the parts of the subject that it left untouched he believeut
to be the most dangerous and difficult with which
they had to deal, and he regretted when they proceeded
by mention they did not endeavour to remedy the evils sad
settle the difficulties the bill would create.
Mr. 31. GI BSON should not have intruded himself bad
not the right has. baronet given him so peculiar • character
ea he had done when he called him the author of all evil.
(Laughter.) He had never felt more gratified than In being
instruments' in that piece of mischief which had resulted In
the destruction of the Conspiracy Bill. He did not agree
with the right hon. gentleman that parliament was to be
nitedby the troveramen but thought Intim was spreadi-
ng Mrs nelierat trivia mew used more dyke the MIMS..
ter, eed she rehdrer maid Ms ad lam (Wed parliament.
(Hear, ben) He did set consider it to he ea evil
that a amp bad been made in the course wink wee le
be peened by her Majesty's government is enensesee
of the sergestion of the noble lord the Raabe fer
Lewin air ee the house was publicly informed by mks right
he.. sprilmsat the late Prettiest el the Hoard of Cashel,
dast the eaggestice of the soles lord hail suggested that
sear before the India bill rides ire geveramest wee Miro-
need, sod as the noble lord bed Melba diet *Man, be
(Hr. Giber) felt increased auffients that that we the
Nam bat calculated to lead to esereetal inidens.
tlesh hen) The right hon. soothers the mentor
reelareatit, he moot say, ha dealt alb sautior ergs-
mat links the argument of delay, end that Res whet was
Won are hobgoblin argument—which the rale lea pm
dimislained so. mob, so that if he could sot oreviatolite
hens be right frisker the home away from the subject.
He herd that the hoer west& ggoo to an early division—
al,* at am sat about like eta et basYese to discuss the re-
idathas. (Hear. hear.)_
Lard PALMEBETON—I preennee as time who att ea
Ws bench had the boner et Iket insiadeg &hal ea this
=abject, them who eit es the nacho wens Min OM se
we were the drat is stAft • pespralore druid des le the
u first in prose( oar mess en Or media of my aside
friend. I have an Winks whatever to anieg ties I
intend toy
eeaseswes dr milts et ogr mine 4W4W(Hen lee.)
I entirel wlth the whim rein ter Tanabe , that set
only mall It he iseserdetest WM Intents= et tho mmny.
hut with the beam ad dignity of this hear, if, after all
that has porn, we were to de nothing with mind to lesio.
learn for India. My seas friend pas hie moths sa the
ground that than Ire bees • drags it themeterms. CAT
minty many dreaminess law dimagat ; hr nines I am
addressing the bar
es this Wen erns eine dile et the
table. (" Her, kfteiss.) That drismerase may
esg
ham made swab bat I de ail snit thee Ohms
cored snob • isst
going ea with driarlsl=giVilbsee
awe or ler ia thin whiner N
besoles, an ems mg Unit. nth my lea
the mar he Arlin On tic steer earimee
is Alt ley • gromasmat. ird the sera they see to
take pedhasse- hie sisals •••••114 Ye Inn L Oath se
lemma maim prongvermen • memo es dr seiger him as.
As to the late got ire Irvin Wm ellaid ei per-
Iniftild. I think if yes eel; look to the Oddestll del
e h w;11
be fend that we bad se hogs esejorides Imblag se they
dialled see asinine nee ia eissidealestlilhaiest yeas,

Ilaa A I Zino ins if Idp iskptimlrita 111
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pent' to that .... _ :Cinema .-. save a powerful ... eel .
effect on the native mind of India. I mo
that the natives would have a greater feeling of sh--
tachneent and teapot for the authority ell the dsomm.
is India then they could have tor that of a.
sawing of sisrelants, however respectable; and mato the •
OM
that would have on the Indian army, I will venture to.
gay that gars b not an officer in that army who would net-
ted procider to be in the immediate service of the Queen.
than they fie In their present service under the company.
(Rear, hear.) We know that the Mitoses of the local army
do entertain a sews of their being in a position of inbriority
when comparing themselves with the Queen's army. The
▪ considerations which ought to weigh with us. The mu-
tiny in India is nearly suppressed, and theee acts of severity
and vengeance which were necessarily incidental to the.
recent state of things we may hope are now coming to an
end— hear, bear)—and that the period is ooming when It_
will be our duty, as well as our pleasure, to.
let maeey take the place of punishment. (Hear.,
hear.) That act of grace will come with granter effect.
uan act owning from the Sovereign of this couetry than
from the East India Company, and it would be a fortunate
coincidence if at the time that an amnesty shall cane to be.
annommed, the government of India shall have beenchanged,.
I and that henceforth it will be to the Queen of !inland that..
the allegiance of India will be due. (Hear, beer.) Cone
cawing entirely with my right hon. friend the member for
Anise In the hope and belief that the house will tome to.
SS Siftdivides, and having no doubt as to what the result:
ettiwit Odium will be, I emptily anxious to hear what is th►
opinion of her Majesty's government with regard to the
merits, sad whether they are prepared to stand by their
own sesames, and to support the resolutions they have par.;
posed. (Hew, bear.)
lord STANLEY said be must acknowledge that this wen
one of the most difficult and complicated questions 'skit.
which the howls could be celled upon to deal, bola' diffi-
culties would not be diminished by time i they would net be
Las in 1869 than now. It had been said that a strong go-
vernment only could deal with this question ; but a govern-
ment might be strong in regard to general policy and yet not
able to influence opinions upon Indian questions. Then.
as to peddle opinion, rush questions did not in-
tweet • large number of persona out of doors.
Peculiar circumstances had of late excited public
interne regarding India, but that intent* would &mi-
ni& as the incident' which created it passed away. .
As there was now a greater general interest in this subject
then there had bees two years ago and would be two years
hews, that was one great reason why there should be no
delay. The paribie danger of unsettling men's minds had
been raggeseed. That might have been a fair ground of
argument when the first bill was moved for, but because the
matter bad been useettled wee a reason for settling it webs,
mid vest mischief might be produced in India it as impree-
dee wet sods upon the native mind la India abet thew
any diffusion upon the subject here. The question Itemise
been raised, and it having been proposed to transfer the
government of India from the company to the crown, in lie
opinion the only wisdom lay in completing the undertaking.
The house then divided ; the nowhere were—
For the amendment 67
Against it
Lard J. RUSSELL said he had given notice of an amend-
ment on the Bth resolution, the Mitt of which wee that the
members of the council should be appointed by her Majesty,
end, with the exception of the Secretary of State, should
hold their offices during good behaviour. That amendment
raised two questions ; first, the mode of appointment ; and
secondly the tenure of office. As he did not propose on that
resolution to raise more than the simple question as to the
mode of appointing the council, he proposed to leave out the
latter words, and to move "that it is expedient that the
members of the oouscsil should be appointed by her Majesty."
The resolution, as it stood, provided " that with a view to
the efficiency and independence of the council it is expedient
that it should be partly nominated and partly elected." Ey
hie amendment he shon.d directly rates the question whether
the whole council should be appointed by her Majesty, or
sleeted.
The house then resolved itself into committee, Mr. Trrz-
ROT In the chair.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid the
first resolution which he had to propose to the house was
" That as the territories under the government of the East
India Company are by law to remain under each government
only until parliament shall otherwise provide, this house is
of opinion that it is expedient that the transfer of such
government to the crown should now take place, in order
that the direct superintendence of the whole empire may be
placed under one executive authority. "
The resolution having been put,
Mr. R. MANGLES defended the East India Company,
citing many proofs of the vigour and efficiency of their ad-
administration. He doubted whether India would be
governed so well under the crown as it had been by the
Court of Directors. A great outcry had been made
against the double government; but be believed that at
laud nine out of every ten members of the house were is
favour of a real, efficient, and independent council for India.
(Hear.) The proposed change might save something in
cab hire, but it would be as much a double government as the
present system. (Cheers.) The house had evidently come
to the determination that the government of India should be
transferred to the crown ; but he earnestly trusted that it
would me the absolute necessity there was for providing a
real Wdst sad efficient council is the place of the
Court of Dleseton (Loud cheers.)
Sir E. COLBBNOOK E, having been informed by lie
chairman that a notice he had even of a motion to papas x .
the first remintion could not be entertained, said he should '
vote spied the resolution altogether until the lean
had determined what the character of the council &NM
be. It was incumbent upon those who objected to the
Coot o(Di:esters to show that the proprietors did en is
the whole make a very bin selection. (Han, hear.) ide in.
tolled to move that the no council should select Ile ant
online; wwwwweita. and 0111Arr=d themeate itpt amid MS
the initiative in Ammieg all time whit
wire mitered to the swot itommilesa, end is all mem
which at prams originated with the Overt of Dinners.
Sir O. C. LEWIS sell he had hoped that Aft
TT=
tall disonselon which the !Donee of Mr. Haring bed
an by begs majority by which the hems had voted do le-
Ireisellea of the bill of the has cremes t, the lei-
Now tit the hour that the reign- of the Rea IceO
Ocespoy amid wire would be tam le he osheiseiss.
(Hee; bree.) Hs (Bir O. C. lamb) bad sot emoted thee
Ile heave void aids MO' dim opediancy of maintaining
the goussent of the last Isis Oniony. Those dilatory
ispaats, however they right bight by issiOng es gen-
dined den always mashed thismines Isle en snip of
the =WM of the eatmoway, sad a raxammamdadat te elm
beam ft miriade he so fa piquant sidelmesa They
ender led him et • writers. by Lod Dam te mem
aim' wk. am. Me that en islet eget Wog meld
ghat was Its mar time for osserlige, sighed, to • yeasit
saes, oleiliel." sad to ea eider lash, " Not at-
At It weermild thet thine ww• iesees te fudge
ANA yeemet Mile there
lastes• Ili asssion.
If they said MI timer yaseit wend be old Ohm
had retursed to their innsl ststa, sad that ft wee arlyat
W
whet bed wind so well. (Hear, hoar.) The thee
lin sew swerstiosehly arrived when this eupersonaMsd
sleheishe ANN be pat an end to, sad the mein of germa-
MrlinULY said it stomed to be agreed that the doable
gamma @hold eases, sad that India stand beettelseh
Pained by ne Qom, sad rut mere M the Qr..
%Frogs.
b: ir=l,aibtata.there were great dllirreeese es
As , their mode of elarlea, and the dimmed
lie ' There was goo gnat dilemmas se to
Iseffei with labia bans. He Medd pre-
gen is the berth reseludea es fetsidaes the wards " fad
lest this town de omen of the present atembsee of the
Court of Direstaes." This would get rid of the three follow•
dog resolutions. Hs would add a neolutise after the no
limiting the duration of this Millen 011 WO Tema,sod dimming that • omantlesloa should ia the mambo
proceed to India to utak* Inquiry Imo the condition of the
people.
- Mr. BOWMAN rid, se there was to be • divides at this

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• anatry only. Ha did not MOW this mi Ids earn opinion ar the emir the govemmint has adopted i• the bee
non ;he lied, slan the hon. and leaned geed eala lad es env but aty opinion is that it would have ben ewe
Oa Enka of his question, mem the mines of the highest admit mann WI bad bentatreinesdnelmadel preosidng
NOM OF LORDS.—FZIDAT, AMU, 30. li the hone, end the moult of that advice ins _batted by rierdetin. Bat as thin. an, I emi ready to inn
The Lew Ona clean& took hie sent cm the wear* at in the statement which he had kart ands. The benrede- cenewillse ea the seselations, mei der on the
an cicala. man obwwid by his voodoo to to MB Mr. 1/11•Ple.11) of thin nth a sr.e.a Mein to tasks than me oserina se
On the mottos of Lad trammed' the Oaths Bill own clews on the general gnaatiuo He mast arta* may pooh& with send lagialatfas ea the want es ewe imp
wed nerd third time and pared. in reply that, speaking as • private member d pallament, as air.(" Hear, bear," aad shier..)lin I enact the bind .
The Treader of Land BM wan through etenzeittee well as bolded upon the queen In an °facial point of view, to sadder the enseqrsloll d. waft nee area ed wit
The Mien for ootataimisir the Law if Bed Peeparty he thseght these exospelomal and local nignatione were bad. anis Mad ; aad as mans the spank all my sign hop.
Maistasint BM, and for the Illhd of he Tisane It must, however, not be , that they existed la luny friend the mean his Partimenth I dead say ft nee net a
of Inas &mahatma= BOX were dewed. d, pieces, sad had net been by the House of Cam- epeesh in haw of the seen if an neat wilteb to
and the assesures referred to a Isnot ecoustese. rasa. moths be ilskyieg Isdilirka anew
The Itterquar Bahl (10,911,S001.) BM was peon thnegh LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL a sprats In /nen et die man al thi=ar .
candela Mr. PALE said the Pendent of the Board of Bealth, deems whkh rem a area le et
Their /madly, adjourned at bell-past live deka whether it iris his intention to proceed with the Local Go- het ft wee a win egainst _At my . . 4 'll,
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nesmiet Bill P her thelms geneenent alb" oat imp /Whin
Mr. ADDERLEY said that seeing there vas no appall- Man 1111111111 MOM am If Ide not aannar Me = IP 4 f.
HO= OF COMMONL—FRIDAT, APRIL Ed. tke to the *pews of the btu, he hoped that the woe meeld asps, besee. se they de pot apply to the 'il
Thilhianun ink the shat at 4 o'olook. not object to end it a second time. In order le_ give an op- the hoses; sad V I dean to enter be" a =ea Into
PUBLIC BUSINESS. portunity for considering details—coaarang wh only op- which I de mot Oink the hone WOW be nib. ,
COMPETITIVE EXAMINATION/ FOR • position, and that but &babe, seated—he world la the gulag him. (Hair, bees.) The ground on whisk the , .." J
WOOLWICH. Into mantes at no distant data skarn the 'giant they bat proviouay fotartataah withr. -
Ceased FourraaAmeared at the bar with a mew HIGHWAYS. red et li, ~
ens tuatara to my maid pasha, sown.
ban the arena la to the widen epos this = Mr. HUGESSEN asked the asantery hr En Rene De- The meat teed Id dr head Of the Ealsokat fa wait
Re mad the aaiwer, warn as follows : • I have whether it was the latiation al the ige muntern to pian,thalsk am although ha bad burl previottalpappoaa.
yew diem,ing that no aeration may be made la the =a, daring the prime assion, say bee spa the lab- to killikelea an this saint at the pawn time. yet as 1
pad et desisting aemenie far tar nation as jut at the mangement of highways P bra bend by a large majority that than nand. .
lii the Royal sad Raglan% I shell Mr. WALPOLE said that a bill for the purpose to which Cardatehnege, and in of that vote of
that the any ba carefully aria- the hos. member alluded was now in counsel's chambers for the titt inlinme of geemanent
Voll••• %altar./ asnismast. Ile would prose for its return. nu least ble
NOTICE/ OP MOTIONS. THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. lb:rent maw
the • `
• INDLL Oa the wasp that the r " '
fir' •.• rose, enema fie
. 4tal ......J.,
Rialwiser all the I" am to ao Parma tip " That the change of circumstances since the first proposal by e 0 eat bYd lan.= dr
the base, led decided ea Me hem of the amid me lan ; her majeety,e 1e,,, adviewe to Impede the government a the Bate "t ‘-•emeohn, and ay a otwarrw. 'se
it must be in its moral strength, mad hampered by Re doubt
also that any c0...a for lab amid have the Paw d a India from the East India Company to the Cro ma-
genta action i of appointly Its own chairman MA "lbw/ ; dna It timpadtoot to proceed farther with i • of its own continuance P I am persuaded, too, that the
of prop dadaaa, ad of fair rgaal.aa °lama on the subject dant the t session." After change of authority from the name of the East Inas drew 4
....... --.- . ------. _ ____,_ -_r ... _ ___. -__,,__ _ ta.t. 00t,t0,0 pay to that of the Queen will have a powerful and solutes t 1.