The Express.
London, England, 1866-05-15 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 15, 1866.

give. repretentation, not on the principle of
grouping represented towns, but the unrepresented
towed, of the country. Let him do all these
things, and then let him consider the results
with his colle•gues, and when parliament meets again they
will' have an opportunity, if they are as wise as lam
willing to give them credit for., of submitting to our con-
sideration a measure which will command the sympathy
of the country, and receive the sanction of parliament.
(Loud cheers from the opposition.)
Mr. CARDWELL followed, expressing his surprise at
Mr. Disraeli's new views on the functions of small
boroughs, contrasting them with Lord Stanley's in 1859,
and arguing by the example of Sir H. Cairns, Sir F. Kelly,
the Lord Advocate, and other members, that the profes-
sions and men of Indian and colonial experience already
entered the house by means of large constituencies. He
denied that the system of grouping would produce ex-
pense, or any of the other inconveniences alleged against
it, remarking that all objections must apply equally
to groups of represented and unrepresented bodies,
which last were supported by Mr. Disraeli.
The- right hon. gentleman had said there ought
to be a marked distinction between the rural and
urban constituencies. He (Mr. Cardwell) ventured
to differ from that opinion, and rather preferred
the argument of the noble lord the member for King's
Lynn, who had said—" You may be told to divide the
boundaries of a borough from the county in which it is •
but that is just a thing which you cannot do. Those town;
extend themselves gradually and imperceptibly, till they
fade away into the country, and you cannot tell where the
town ends and where the country begins." He (Mr. Card-
well) did not object to the policy which gave to rural or
commercial constituencies the choice of members repre-
senting generally those interests ; but he thought it would
be a great misfortune if all the members, or
the larger proportion of them, came to that house
as the representatives of special interests. (Hear, hear.)
The government would have acted contrary to the spirit of
the act of 1832 had they sought to draw the narrowest and
closest line of demarcation between the borough and
county constituencies. With regard to the proposal of the
right hon. gentleman to group the smaller boroughs into
aggregations of boroughs, and give them a voice in future
parliaments, ho (Mr. Cardwell) asked what became of the
argument of the right hon. gentleman about the proposed
gran ing being foreign? It appeared to him (Mr. Card-
well that if they had wanted to put an end to the idea of
a reformed parliament there could not be a suggestion that
was more likely to effect that object than that they should
take, not the existing and well-known boroughs whose
boundaries were defined by statute, but the small
towns that were scattered over the country, and
endeavour to organise them into new constituencies.
When they spoke of different classes, it was not to be
assumed that their interests were necessarily antagonistic.
They were formerly so, but the wise legislation of the last
twenty-five years had cut that antagonism to the root.
That legislation had been with a view not to benefit any
particular class, but for the benefit of the whole community.
He did not understand that the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
Disraeli) intended to givepractical effect to the suggestion '
he had made. The right hon. gentleman himself, seven
years ago, stated to the home the reasons why he con-
sidered it was his duty to give effect to the
promises which had been made on this subject,
and it was no doubt very kind and considerate
on his part to advise her Majesty's government
to withdraw their present proposal ; hut if they bad failed
to prosecute their duty they would have no doubt heard
from the right hon. gentleman a severe criticism on their
conduct. His earnest hope was that this great question
might now be brought to a settlement, and he thought it
was their bounden duty in the first session of a new parlia-
ment to submit to it this great question, and he trusted
that by the moderation of all parties they would arrive at
a just and satisfactory conclusion. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. 'WALSH appealed to the members of the boroughs
threatened with disfranchisement to join together to
defeat a measure which he believed would be subversive of
the best interests of the country.
Mr. ARRNVRIGHT observed that if a borough had a
population below 8,000 it was to lose one member, but a
group was only to have iipopulation of 15,000 to entitle it
to return two members, which be thought an injustice.
Ludlow and Leominster now returned two members each,
and they were to be grouped and return one between them.
It could not be said that they were decaying towns, for
their population was increasing. He considered that the
bill was illogical and tyrannicaL
Mr. J. HARDY considered that his borough, Dart-
mouth, was hardly dealt with in being grouped
with Totnes and Ashburton, and said it ought to have been
grouped with Brixhain, and other places on the sea coast,
with interests similar to its own. Then Lichfield was to
be coupled with another town, whereas Tamworth was left
alone, though it was al?ss important place.

*parting Inttitignue.

TATTERESALLS.—MormAy.
the Monday preceding the Derby Is always a busy
dayirl,waitile approaches
event, invariably betoken the
OIND/Off of Wale greet the actual speculation on 'the
race" of the year was never pursued with less activity than was
evinced to-day. Members, however, assembled in strong force
but the usual ordeal of comparing was evidently the main object
of those wko visited Albert-gate. The further advance of Lord
Glasgow's colt (who bad been freely supported in the City during
the morning:, to 100 to 7 and the current rumour that several
of the large northern bookmakers were going for the son
of Toxophilite caused the colt to be in some request.
Neither of the favourites appeared in good odour, and offers
of 7 to 4 au the Bold resounded in all quarters, with few
takers. Rustle, despite the retirement of Blue Riband, was
almost friendless, and even the presence of the Marquis of
Hastings and several of the patrician supporters of Danebury
found the colt no backers at the quoted price, though 4 to 1
would have been accepeed. The Bribery colt, who had a
coming appearance at the Victoria Club during the morning,
again receded to the 100 to S division, and the other prices
quoted indicate the exact tone of the market at which Wid-
nes& could hare been done to looney. Webber received he
quietus, an offer of 1,000 to 5 being made. There were a few
transactions on the Oaks, though not of a heavy nature.

DEBBI.
7 to 4 agst Mr. B. Button's Lord Lyon (t and of)
100 to SO Duke of Beanfort's Rustic (off)
100 to 8 Lord St. Vincent's Roden (t and offA
100 to 7 Lord Olasgow's Tozophilite colt (t and off)
50 to 1 Mr. FP. Svrindeil's Abergeld)e (t and off)
20 to 1 Mr. IL C. Naylor's Monarch of the Glen (t and off)
20 to 1 Marquis of Hastings' Blue Blhand (off)
30 to 1 Mr. Chaplin's Vespasian (t and off)
1000 to SO Lord Atlesburrs Bribery colt ti
33 to 1 Lord Exeter's Knight of the Ovicent and off)
1000 to 15 Mr. Bowes's Westwiek (t)
1000 to 15 Sir. Watts's fitrathconan (t)
5000 to 60 Baron Rothschild'sßohin Hood (t)

1000 to 5 Mr. Jackson's Blabber ,off)
100 to 1 Mr. Savilu's lot (off)

OAKS

3 to 1 apt Marquis of Hastings' Repulse (t)
to 1 Mr. B E Dunbar's Tormentor (t)

10 to 1 Mr. Rarlock's The Queen (t)
12 to 1 Mr. R. Kelso's Gretna t)

12 to 1 Mr. Johnstone's Elkin'
12 to 1 Mr. Wadlow's Honeymoon (t)
12 to 1 Mr. F. Swindell's Proterpute (t)
13 to 1 Duke of Beaufort's Ischia ,t)

The following Aida] notice of scratchings was posted at Tatter-
sall's yesterday:—" All the horses trained by John Day, except
Rustic, Blue Riband, and Lecturer, out of the Derby. Dales-
man, Tomahawk, and Lothario, out of the Derby. La Dauphine,
El Cid, Midsummer colt, Cupid, Chronometer, and Warwick,
out of the Derby. Beauclerk, Delinn, Nine Rims, Aminbone,
Maseppa, Mount Palatine, Earl of Derby, Centaur, and The
Mule, out of all engagements. Melinda, Giraffe fllly, and Emerald
filly, out of the Oaks."

ARRIVALS AT EPSON.—Ludler, Redan, Ostreger, Vespaslan,
Problem, The Hermit. Odin, Breadalbane, La Dauphine, Warrior,
King Charming, .tudax, Tusculaneum, Attache, Lanuret, Black
Prince, Maid of Masham Ally, Tozophillte colt, Rapid
Rhone's dam colt, Corsair, Leybourne, Sealskin, Maori Chief.
Cialrvoyante's dam colt, SaHeti, Catalogue, Robin Hood ',by North
Lincoln', Catubail, Jasper, Janitor, Tounnalin, Chignon, Tor-
mentor, Duke of York, Ammunition, Cauthleen, Qui Vive,
Canard, Veralam, Hopvine, Valeria, Strathconan, Apple-
crow Czar, Lady Vane, Stabber, Holstein, Rococo, Wets,
Jenne Premiere, Flirtation, Sylph, Primate, Harefteld, Pirate,
Sylvani, Ckaimersham, Wedding Peal, Burnout, Ayles-
bury, Scarlet, Freedom, Feodor, Abergeldie, Filbert, Chieftain,
Retrousse, Tacitus, Pamunkey, Brahma, Caustic, Lady Sophie,
Sidewind, Stinger, Prima Donna, Kilkenny, Oxford filly, Skir-
misher's dam colt, Mountain Deer's dam colt, Dulcimer, Pintail,
Bribery colt. Liebe, Knight of the Cresceot, Westwick, War,
Knight of St. Michael, Tarabou, Rejected, Arabia, Minuet,
Clam., Sundcelah, Mariana, liavarde's dam colt, Cecnms, Bright
Phmbtts, Tom Coke, Achievement, Gardertsure, Myrrhyna, Cut-
away. A great number of horses are in the neighbourhood.

BETTING AT MANCHESTER.-MONDAY.
DERBY.

7to 4 agot Lord Lyon (off, -18 to 1 agat Monarch of the
2 to 1 t freely Glen (t)
100 to 30 Rustic 3) 20 to 1 Knight of the
10) to 8 -- Blue /Mend (of) Crescent (t)
100 to 8 Redan will 90 to 1 Bribery colt (t
100 to 0 Toxoph)lite colt and off)
(t) 25 to 1 Veepadan (t)
50 to 1 -

Mr: KElrsaid the bill would set them all to the task of
learning their geography of England. He complained that
his borough was to be grouped.
The SPEAKER ruled that the hon. member was out of
order in addressing the house upon the Irish bill.

Mr. KER apolorgsed for his i;ristake.
TT Mr. R. DUO. thought the measure before the house
was one which moderate men on both sides might unite
in putting into shape.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said that the course to be followed
with regard to these bills might be materially affected by
the decision to which the house would arrive witkrespect
to the motion of the right hon. member for Kilmarnock
(Mr. Bouverie). He therefore wished to know whether
that motion could be made after the second reading, and
when the committee on the bill was fixed.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that on
introducing the bill he had stated that the government
would endeavour, with regard to the question of procedure,
to gather indications of the feeling of the house. The ter-
mination of the debate on the second reading of this bill
was the point to which he naturally looked as affording
them these indications. No doubt the government thought
from the rumour which reached them that a longer debate
was possible, but as they had arrived at the moment when
the bill was to he read a second time, he thought his hon.
friend was quite justified in putting his question, and he
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would say that with such
information as the government possessed they were led to
believe that it would on the whole meet the views of the
majority of the house if these bills should be combined
together. (Hear, hear.) He conceived that this was the
only point which remained in doubt, and on the part of the
government be had to say that they should be reedy to
accede to that motion. He proposed the committee for that
day fortnight.
The bill was then read a second time, and the committee
fixed for Monday, the 28th instant. . . .

As the debate' was not expected to terminate so ab-
ruptly, most of the members interested in the other busi-
ness of the night bad left the house, and the remaining
orders, 343 in number, were rapidly disposed of, most of
them being postponed. The Scotch and Irish Reform
Bills were not read a second time, but were understood to
be postponed also to the '-*ith. The Crown Lands Bill was
read a third time, and passed after some further explana-
tions from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, elicited by
Mr. Ayrton, and the house adjourned at twenty minutes
past 9 o'clock.