The Express.
London, England, 1858-02-13 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 13, 18'8.

do ad AM 1 deal be ad by *ell= b lie yeindels
glen I mesellest "bee bee ea low
Moline Mow wits I dew leCre derma
'pain el Ile eeadley apes are peed, home poem&
myself lid vs gen vesel:villb pellidepsellea la the
simeme **pled* SS elle de maim le hambel.
Wine I se ladtle via yowl la de year lad Idol one
do leaderg mabiee dim hem dipidad dread
rule SW tbe d etmrdeers,addaabortpaled,itia
ea odes rimy &OM be mob; *A IBM tram tie in
slop; Si the ladediedien greseamei 'Warr tais
toad 4 Maim dee ibe did dep aberivr
tutt the babe mak addle, a hi eamore ongr=
tL t timbre brae aka. Bat veriverr =kit have beau
t) *dm of pellamsea a tbse ins, Ira vary mask Ws-
MB MS Is do dye lbdiseilsea aphis, epteiou sow tf
a maim bee not mole up lb mid est ibis doable gee
• ummt geed Mesa& I MN andared diet is die
• dee at Ile erresery eel that the ormulay would be
edy surprised If think w objected to this bill being it
Wed. Dot we shall no doubt be ma by propositkete leas
oy.WoshoN be told Ws is mot the time, tbAtwe must wait
biter mosoot, sears period, until the diffioultial are
• 111.111. Why IWO= kr delay is the invariable plea set
:Lail &see weatmoss that altich they feel they
, bet which they wish to get
rid am= 11171, what is the force also saumeat
of AM Ins& They ..y, "Do not alter the of go-
wriment at a time elm Win ie mill in difficulty, whets you
ben net leally gut old of the difficulty, when you have not
r. rehelied eutherhy ewer part of the country."
mid, "Do set tinge your government mow, because
there Y fm India that to he dew which is difficult to swam-
i!. e, and whit h may tbeedere require mat power to atom-
phalt in" Now will say sets pretend to ray that the single
moronism* OM bear will not be • iamb more effectual Marro-
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it Imo thon tho double government! (Hear, hear.) Will
,-hyzesenuomlml tra tell me that, with a view either to rapidity
ef mays& =zdrespossibility to the pub.
hr the by the rarponmible &d-
-rawn dr ire amliorown wonM not 1• • far more ra-
ring lielmonst for doing what I. to be doss
here Ohm go omen ot cheek and eonaterehmek. the
wM emememiminens and the mabeequeat eommvaiartfa
ea demplehme lenemarred by cabs from ase pert of the lowa
r, swim, IF wild* a despatch that ought to so to-morow.
sot lis• woe he • mouth. when it le tee Ye Is sod ?
Withr soommohlio use will maw., to pi sr d tidshows•
sad my dog or punt doable gesumess* b as seselui •
rubbish, salsa lies at lona ea tho tooshine at Me
saran ressemest of do swum wadi bs. W ill say
mr essesetei with India us dr* ilk um and audio-
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- , d the einepany. irk& to new peaty 11411 assitircogb
. all the waves of le I* ere have aMb pert of the k-
hans white the was el the wens weld have ?
Why,easewee le ew thee thew ladha
.lei weld sot give lee time the respect to
dm hog d which they wadi glee tti the awe ef
th - . Chew sad Issegkee.) Well, then, I ray, Ii
w e ad to the aosidee whirl m se whoa.
tote le a semi mese ellsoleal weeltiaAonlirr we loch to
ladle le le • mike d kid,* grower hiseare. Then
we weld. bet la Isla hew le • deb ef 11111adey ; aid
whet to ffie piped d lb= dhe Ida der delay f 'Why,
they ON kinder le ~ewes di aloft. le ceder to re-
/WO 1111114•1110 la lalik able is aer id peat dill-
=rose sell wee yea to widow be =bum dtho
babilwat bleed dash, • USW JOVOOII Male"
Why, dr, dare to as awn I lamobb suildn la that
orement. That we shall be told by sem dal the
It eament of India to • pew weary, Wet the
li. we id Canamme ahead be lisp their -how ladies
air% net If me tomb the preenewast to sosa
who OD tespaellie h pallowent, we doff have lodise
skew web We *phis et bedew la thi hews, mad pat
sonablef wow itia. Now, *lb I think that that
arguable le herded moose ~baby of the toads-
wield plod" d la bldsh emeadlea; It Is • elloodon
Via PaikawWw7 Wilethwellit. Why _
_ofin whet is there la
we anwpweed el bilk hod le est humid at upaa
ewe plod pleelybe delsemewilp alibi win kph&
Ilk IA lib waiary amnia. indlthlek boy Mob the plied
fibbing@ aosiact t Ide ad Sisk se 11 ef die beam as
le wipes Oahe below pep m, or fee Os Ern woomn-
Wry trtempit of party, day trills with Ma peat
har•eale ot the coantry se weweeled with the eibebblosties
of war Lbw airy I law km secoisera to dill Si
Ow parliemiont of tile acridly sempbse Wide OWN am
Boa edwielbilke widen, se mei dellehlelehip IS Is
pousseed bey owed amber of aces Ia do Aber
whoweer ; sob Ink all impel to the Own dD=l ,1
mum king muff* WA het be porlimmt of /*stead
Y Iwo sepdh of dialskiffre dos sake d ladia air on
the Court et Diesehne. las set Aired of Wang the pudic
',to the whew ef hake ellehe. I ballowom the coetreay,
*Ol
be h
Nailing ad pee se lost In Tensile en Welt have
Wm ff kw hren dew, le bee aim
IV,.Mepuh&ci legleed be hesolgusentof la.
kw ears. wig that the wham& at this esisidey bee never
tad to this laws bos to Ink if to be akar komere,
owl who ma howdy and Fat rod& Ow do
gorminsent of Lib , . That width
Ms Mn' Ihne well ladlo, owl so desk •
pew enul be her bee of lab yore—het kW which has
Mee i sa, I omen,* to say, hag bras ask* We melt of
dins... we la tile sad be Geer Mom of p•lbmenst sad
• l•- vim dhowdow al them~ witeW sod Is laths,
I ben. re ,ha pad bepowwwwie of whisk
the •bneeses beast Is the pkilembe whisk hes mow
auk i ‘wee peel pad of thew improvaante be
1 en t' s melt et re ea them by debates la the houses
of pee wawa end dimeemiew la the public peace. Aid,
a., :e, • be fidas slam in twinging India.
abr. dote pelbseenin I holm it will be a peat bane& to
Ind.. I Ni, Was, ao Nowa, Wier on the snore of
biarwao ef pawnege eir am the some at ametint-
tior .1 ihsvoe—l me se mean to be eked why we
di. - I ire al Mr per the amen whirl It will be my duly
to to tho house. kr, I trust that perbement wtD
1.1 0.4 pea power is net phase without earrerpradieg
der • sheen tab of
teen Arwood with with the mew d the heckles of 150 :rwlt
mall i• of ma, Wit the goosinwent, either direct or fa •
ihr.• of • vast empiee larger la "dew km the whole of
Ear A baying the empire of Ramis out ef the
1.? bat le a tad that lovable great a _ . Do
n 4 , ragtag gat it is the bleak. of thet we
sir, il.l hold that wet Nape, sad haws is ow bads
II weans§ et Mat wee asthma* of no, simply
that we may mad out to India the sons at our
elm • y is order to make fortunes, or that we
SIMI, say we ere the sovereigns of India. That power has
bow i etroded to to to caber pupas's, sad without
so in, &kg particular I Wink I may my it Is the=
Me vie pis of this eriiatrj, in whose Wade that to
paw:, to ponew as terse they can, the the
milialinannalood the civihation of that pea
We Live hasty bed our awake called to sows of
wk. $' lade mudded dodder. Ate we wholly
Co it, • wows ? Ed we ia the erialary during en
bew bed power k bilk—haw wed ow power la en-
Lswedsff awl delklng the sedan
hew
'elk, weed
ass lb* adwo k wew ape hew kw
sod wool ad these alowlew Masse hatigind
w r.pyrret to kw Ns lie are to no who
We- bard of haw ? W. Naha k bees boo Mega
b ow blob
la,• we eight to renumber to we lave • pest
OD Imo dial bilk I sec sure that duty will bed be
Mad V ire phoo the whims,* d It la he heeds d
wa the idl he assowl le yedleweel he lie Mawr k
whirl i b poehwalk oho oho hood to esendoe podia.
atere tglity slop isib the weer they me Whig. If paella-
, row thh tweew—Wlllo athe cue hand we shall
odd le aninglk d ear power to India : while we shall
sal • be per of lie wintry by reeking our position
4 lbw ewes ;ea lie ether bad we shell be better able
V. 61.111111_10 dales d the zebu which it was ht.
Met ae Own pals, gbh that great empire wee
hie we kWh. Mew, bow)
/44..11ARD1E odd bled ao Wish= in now rising
es lb lam ea Oh edges; lwasse be woe sure the '
lir would hd awl =haw id the ••=koLte mar-
sh persewd
IC, 4=
Zrbmiliolll to
the poet aged id Os parr
am d lades web le le Se webs If we Lbw Mow
web vile. la theil whims bib emoraseb sal it was
ken soo he 'Who'd id Os ablipla the woke ef proos-
wk. which Ire Msaide•• whitlow wow wowed would act
waders to the were ef bin that he shoed wa-
r-- to move be mils with which he should

We. It w mhim the
is his dogtrot se do star of
a; mod le 'mei wet tity _ • lewd et le the
?tredve merits of the deer, lily NA lb* peenmet
• •Snor MB to haw teliebblierlrebe g Ile
howerer, le Wed my, Ea
,retie der rah
weed with ewe the intios• as esmittss
d Il6t, be wield wet bete lime& es amps be led
▪ cesesedwg illreetwe. dot dim um Wow 'sa -
oS It wee wet :the whether the peers-
,rtd et b.-regime.ib wet lbe rwermeet Ihst Ibry stud
• s; medvemelp ; eirirr dig rod dorp dr L..'' r:
tlx a k was set lei err they *NM
.rtey chop la the et rwerwseet ; bet the
lea yes atisity this—wee tb the mseetat
• • as ands t (Bac beer.) The aside WI on=
peelle mho we Amp la ; Int Odd be mho ray
• " bee is the mien elbow pieeineet, rd twereerth
• uip be prereed. withered meads( la Isis?
IP m sett set tremble the Woe with mawdrop* awn
Las lei bin metetea et the hews that the mem
roverberst we thle—lbet with N owl emplote pews
remits the I'veitat of the Bawd of Mabel, lbw were
Vr drebeveeted le the Own of Dhewere, ttesf~htras 1•
r .rtba, ef whew twelve were eletewl by we
awaseray. Whelks art set
IF 45 mar surds. ; bet weeMetirerrellese WWII= It wee wet
ma
e wren'
thrSahtas govenmset at ladle whir they knew Ad
ro wet waded to tb ot &hely of
of wheat were t of the eastelve rye-
, seeset of the easelly, vim It IPS/
shisdris her that body a body of
apaing IR MI
Lidpefied by the teem ?
, odd. hem) The arts Isom very edl that the
m-betee, re ft yrs sods/, w whit dr Coon of Dbeetwe,
r. -x to die sotolf the Traidint of the Dowd •I Ort.
, Ni did ars to mg that tie esse inst
g .sow, vba IN. ippeentervemel err the
• esie ter arthadr mot sr NI Orr sus
• beet rvi Ihr hantsilsos her =toy • prisrup.
as wank • peer et • prriderty larrwslima
► 114 to ea his mu ••••••••f&t, Arra. rem it as cheep
deverwmeat of Isi le WOW/ km • body
OVUM were *Wei the peter of recallleg the
r • ,emeleek or Emmet stareihrty, writ as
Ilp-thet tir this bill dr mortss lb,
Arn des prner-gresesl yrs Is bs segistard the
Ilmourimdial Yung mad that the camell et lbs go-

memo of a presidency should Do appoiated by the governor ?
Why, whet wee the system sow r The members of the
genocil were appetated by the Court of Directora. He could
sat tomive that there wee anybody, looking to the plan of
' the ugh Died, who would not allow that, whether far good
ea hr MI, it was a great change in the government of India,
net tenni, to the home department, but in India Itself. Let
Mee sok, was the premed the time to do this? The noble
hod bad talked of • very erunbrous machine, which be did
net Mow it was sereseary to change till great exigencies
min The noble lord berm by saying he bad an complaint
le mks of the Beet India Company, and he added that it ma
tab is peat exigencies that he found any defi,ieney
Is the operetkias ef the gomment of India. Well, who
I wee eneeremble kw those delleimies f Would ministers ray
where they had limn MIMI by tbs mem government of
India P wee Ish le le so. Woad they say, when the
sobs lord MO& thud thew of the Queen's name in India
was oqtdvalsat to a groat raiMoreement of troops, would
they show that there vat say menus of that kind from 81r
Colin Campbell P The noble-hod said this change would be
no change in India, or that the change in India would be
very limited. Were her Majesty'. ministers sore, from their
knowledge of India, that this change would not be looked
upon with great apprehension by the Hindoos? It had
always been said that the blindooe attached great
importance to names, perhaps more than to quail-
: ties, sad when they changed the name of the
Mnit, it would not De supposed in India that
IT that without a wpm. The Hindoos, when they
saw the great rudiment that had existed among the Christian
population there, and when the speech of the noble lord was l
transmitted to India, in which he said we had a duty to
perform is advancing civilisation and enlightenment in India,
would my it was not without a oertain object that her Ma-
Josef a government had determined to change the name of the
=trt there—that it would be a change in reality—that
i:lnd no longer have toleration for their rehgioue
rand krbeeranoe towards their prejudices, and that
ors
system of indulgence which they bad had
would be changed. Was this a time to hazard
each a change P They had had a mutiny, and
it was not yet terminated ; they had to quell
that mutiny, sad dry had a mill greeter task to amomplish
ommiliatnig the people. While the native population wen
subdued, they soot set becoshed. After the mutiny wail
quelled, did they know emagh of what was required ? Were
they fully informed what the heling of the ardor was?
Had the home at Mr that information? No doubt Mis-
ts= had mom intsrmsdka than others, but he had followed
the noble hid is Ms to lad out what he believed was neer-
my to ratan Osamdliky to India, event that he thought
the Queens nom would be equivalent to a great
roblitsmat of troops, and that the change in the
nem of the premetnnat would give the popula-
Wm a norm that we yes about to be much more
Mho Y olbsdag the civilisation of the country.
Was the beim la poessesion of such ample information as to
le able to say what was the met measure that ought to be
adopted to accomplish the end which they all deeired—the
ramoratina of confidante P There was hardly a man he came
' mom who did not say to hint " Where can I learn lame-
thing about India; whore ma I inform myself as to what
maid be the beet government I" Was the home in
posasa-
im of each iehrtnation ea to be able to my after fhb peat
Map which had recurred by the mutiny, which had
=our relations very much with regard to the people. I
with regard to the army—was the house in a pret-
ties to say they should peas this Wl at once?
The noble lord maid ha had nothing te complain
el
the government of India; he did act =mad that bill on
soy diabut charge against the posramor of ladle. He
did sot propose this chums teems dm hod boy any va-
monagment on the part al the pond governing • ho did
ant propose it booms it woo aaeeboas spoiddrenzo-
' steams, nor did he mho it Maim of the go-
verment at the last ladle Cempamy had not tubed the
issoyablo moralism Tim was ad am word as to all
that ; bat the noble lord said thus wee a menhous machine,
wills said booed net moot thus would loamy objectioe to
Ids mmeme, let dm might be a insollog about time.
What bed mooed Mr 1863 to thaw the opinions
if the government ? Es hoard last night with
astudsltreent, bola a umber of the prosy govern-
mut and hem a member of the Aberdeen prearament
that tho Aberdeen government had bequest amitahattons
as lo amnia, ths kill they the proposed farther, ho
mid dr domoraost had prove atod thud adoption of that
=t. Her Kraesty's government at that time acted
ab ; theyad not state hdly Mat was their object.
Thep did more that that. The First Lord of the Admheky,
then the Precedent of the Board of Control, Moss mbar
sad bounty he, for one, wished to render the pease hence
In is the speech with which be Introduced the mortoro,
dwelt upon the advantage of the check of • doable games-
mat, and though be loft it in the power of pertinent to
make a change, he said he saw no teem why there should
be • cams. If be (Mr. Bering) had known that the go.orn-
mut hedtnt. dedlatisryearstomakesmmpletetraoderfrom
a amble to a single government, with a council of eight
amid by themselves—(hear, hear)-controlled by nobody—
(beor, bger)—he should have said, if they intended to carry
web a Into dent, they should do it while there more
trmua~si lily la lad* and that they should have carried it
btu moody to 1863, when Ms was so try= disturb-
-1u H. need net read the aims of the morns of that
emednes. The esmilly of both booms oomph,' the
mere et a greet wow at the umbers of the Abeam go-
ommal, Ind • FM mossy of the members d the plead
geraramat. The Fist Lord af the Admiralty end ths pow
rat Prookisat al the NM of Otwerol sat on that steamitten
Did eery me of dm eight_
was be penmen stigma that tic
Cimemmel of Ulla Yoh a our brats moldy
whim a dm of ocomod it would break
ham ? (Hom hear.) TM Pr deal of the Bard of Con-
trol woad no doubt Oft to the hew whims Ind bow all
Mrs evils had Mass? The only Mama wbbl the noble
UM hod pohood sat was the hammot of the Mop; but
dr saatbr had bay Mord to • sateen stamilts= sod until
that 110111111111161111 mds lis report It mall be lommilda to say
who w really liable to censure. (Hem, hem) The right
• garima would perhaps, howl w, be goad amough to
stste to the boar what wore the porthairs In which his
awl* had Ma aim* or hi Mich hi bendoent hands
htd lisla did- Pam, and a laugh.) The Whet Lord of
the Adminhy (lir C. Wood), when be bomb to the
bill of 1863, rovireol the caromadans= Midi had
commosi Ming the twenty yeses prodont, mad
mined out the_ pogrom whir had boy mats b
the Irma IMMO who amid did dm what bod
Mwildena shies YU, or, if he weald net, ems ether by.
=prvno doubt word ; sod boa k word ho am that
lamosta which had boas assamikhad had mo
them malissd the espectadems the right bon. pallsma had
kid ant when he proposed the tonsoral of the annyWs
rester. (Hear, Mar.) The rW! be= prima- as
Bemiery for the Colonise (Mr. loboanbon) did net, hs
' bellened, coakeutia, at the timed whirlst ma
spsablig, her the powers of the Oeart of DM-
las to Mt govaramit ; • short lims ago So right hos.
postimy at a moscbig of 'Mimeo ammtsd with Mo-
dels, stobil that we bed at th fonni out that the snip
way in whisk we amid gown mm Midst well was by art
disnrilart tomom dm at ell, but by Midas them he
bag.) The right Ism.
isaw:(l•// set Mr =aft was at pram It it
goverment, but, air thasehalm the prestige of Maglag
porgy Whom= to her apoa the oe&hi, hews
So trendy
Ts=
Ord toepport the al gotrammi
' Yoh sad irithout modrol, mope the mks( of geealammh
tea secretary of state end to ma aft emstmF, war a maxi
, In that house. (Hay her The right tight
1 %id in the of as esietszehemeleme that
would justify the ; bet it he (Sr. Bartag)
found it a record of • dam a ilownrosily
,la hear)—a hiskay dm bndllsin and
(chars ktOxy of migamommit and hot of asimah•—
(eksara": hidmy at tatomottos ilinaddlootion w the put
of the dash, gni an imam et debt ea the pert of the
weather country—CUM china)'— ml lb* was a star of
things which the noble id would bye ray them limeade(
• deal& swami (Ray My) It alight be said that
damp wow net new as they mg b leo—oast now, no
peaty hip Mimed into the smingsmede he the govern
-
mot of the Munn -, that, to flay la the Moths the eight
ma woo gimps in the right MY (Her, bear.) been
on this Mr might Maw courdssa with dr
not of oar pomamiees , br he boligrad that in as odor ar-
ra woe mune* math rivaled to moody to the soda-
den of Foy. (Obsors) There my 'lna wawa d Lord
Hogloy to the mobs* hid Ruch tenth him.
Lod Rooftop nil he wow be, wig, OM he po-
NM opinions dam shout W; sad that he was nos for
a lag dm in bay summloation with a dailimplehed
=(wale bad dm boy maployed by Lord Rileabotonghl
em nr...2.r010g hie politics, until, from an
as allioad meek at table, bfound that he was
whit word be ambit bleed a gnat radiod. (Hear,
Faruesintre, la Midi a area merits and not his
wen to Mansomsal P Ha was afraid that
the mid sot lad loag.
(Hay Itama. (Yr. Ittiwbbsd spin to Mom
am ?ha Ohs Sid the Moans al aim
mid be roped the Mir o so a Yeager the poinslpha
my Milk bog hid 111 wow been gamy= It was
Mis ante gm est thus me a growing wish la to
Mahn ea 1861111811011 beds" babitsomi =visas,. of
the Modal= (Ham bar.) H. (Mr. Babe hoped he
should not be mahondiod as ebbing to plate say hindrance
rzitylbs prepapitha of Christianity. Se biped that CMr
"Mild be left to led Ye way by its own mobs; fools
vas whiled that Us if loos rapid, wadi bs mom
are if it waa left to the grahml amonsioa al
tha natives, and no athwart w mob to Mr it gm tlem
(Hear, hear.) But why its ipssiss whisk had bun
nob is this comby, Min the mete. Mike he/
ailbsafa
fa the pray when ticdarWhts Midi
boa Mist MOM, mid am( wass
road by de asdno—as tor by till ambits they ilea ho—
bs w meld }ley be eminaid Mr my b-
linded was a of paw and not a yaws ors:
tha nom d dsolemilla ahmr,_boszl
Bootag) hold Mdeal a alshimat wear S
heen err
Wen
Mob& arni thesaildlent mommimildish
b Merpoblind, ittoolog Alt bet bus as• i the
wage
d slate 11163:—" L Theadystim of dr
en dr hoped mob by a post oft=
Am of =ad • wags apparel b 7 gemmng;
▪ ilmistko of thinmehOONAP • sad the attinannalehni
Mr.eid n Finns =km mieskaaay) stisdu
rim tho mot r0gg...2,1=
▪ way t
grappled MIL Omit
pasthirL:6d sow maim Mini sinallamd
sad Madre" tabula,. to did as nitro
isQlßi" The retiree of the rooms (mom)
the Makes territory actively wommisased, on
rarlsolpho 'oldie have been tried, MM the most
MINN yeamil(pt t e momorabium) ig HOMY aid Cut-

tack. 4. A code of civil and criminal proredlue, the Lest in
the world, actually roads by the comusiedosers ia London,
and now in through the Logician's Council of India.
The Pend Cade (Ileumlay's) with the lateet improvement'
also in progress through the Council. 6. Kw inarns,,,ro of
widow, legelised. The forfeiture of clefl rights by chance of
religion &Wooed. 6. No new great pubic work commenoed
in those four 7eare, berause those already in progress absorbed
all the fonds &violable. But the grog canal., sateuts
river enitankue tits) and roads mentioned in the mousorandum
have been carried on with tidlubled vigour till stopped by
went circumstances; mad, in the meantime, the minor work.

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bath Ives& and works at WWI= which have born coa-
*twee& wr preparatory meseness taken during tbi. short
period, in nearly every pat of India, from the periods of the
rta!treasury, pertly from heal funds, may be clawless."
when the sable lord talked about delay, the hour
would see that delay bad not and would not put an end to the
progress of improvement. (Cheers.) When, in another
place. • member of her Majesty's government said that he ob-
jected to the existing government becaues it roan anomaly,
his reply would be whet Mr. Mill had so ably stated lit the
evidence he had given before the House of Lords . " It wog
not the double government but our possession of India that
was the anomaly." (Hear, hear.) The teal anomaly wee
that they had a state of things which was without • parallel.
They had poreseion of an empire the like of which bed
never existed since Rome was in the zenith of her glory ;
and they had nothing to guide them in the way of precedent
or example. (Hear, bear.) And whet was the plea of the
noble lord P He wished to place it under the mind of
public and parliamentry opinion. No doubt, as a rale, time
ma no better security for good government than • free wor-
ths of public opinion. Bat where would they And a public
opinion in India? (Hear, hear.) It was obvious that what
was meant was public opinion in England. Now they all
knew the mistakes that one nation made in judging et one
another. The ideas mspecting England which
in the neighbouring kingdom of Francs, sad the =leg:
regard to France which prevailed in Engird, would illus-
trate what he was saying. But here they had a country tea
thousand miles of{ an alien race, a people utterly different
from us in their religion, their habits, and feelings. How,
then, could the public opinion of this country be coda to
excretes • beneficial lab:kenos ever India? (Hear, hear.)
Depend upon it the change would be fraught with nothing
but evil for our eastern empire; and the danger would not
be greater for India than it would be for England breed.
(Load chem.) It was admitted that the American micelles
way lost in consequence of that very pressure al 'abbe
opinion pop the legislature of this country which
was now proposed as a panacea fur all the evils
which existed in India. Be it an anomaly if they
pleased, but it would have base • blaring for us it
there had existed, with regard to our American oolonise,
a board of directory composed at man of knowledge and in-
dependres, who keen the wade of the colonies they
governed. (Rear, bear.) Well were it if there had been a
double government that could have of a cheek upon the
rashness, the unenlightened ignorance, the temper, amid
obatheey of our ooloand governments. (Cheers.) As for
the council the noble lord proposed to set up no one could
ea it an independent one when its nomination would depend
apes the will of the government. (Hear, bear.) And here
ehinht ask, ware the names of the first membersmembersof that
se
In
be placed In the bill ? In Mr. Fox's morrow much
her was psid to the principle of inimandesos from
inmenninatal idiom» that the names ef the resell were
beinserted in the bill by perliameat itself. (Hear.)
reV tollWthg) repeated that the bones was sot sudeinetly
infused to deei with a bill the he pement. It was peas-
tam beim they he pat down the may, to think dpattiag
deed ISIS 11010alailt. (Cheers.) Merely it ought sot to be
MOWS at anti. obis whether the government would ar
neeld nee as sben=by the Orme. (Hear, host)
co. them the hew to pante before they
depot tell= pint. Let dim_ palm till they Mew
imbed were really the wants of that Mime they tranderred
it to the uneorti public glides d England.
=.) His t honoured. Simi the member for
oath (tiir F. ring) bad denrent la •
aria that the East India Oidgend mail is shat time
Weeds • maid el history. IC It -wee mays the demos of
=rnal the will of the mike that dieitheer in ow
sked! be demi, the mooed would, lima God, OM
hempen, and for ages to am would rod Its
pep with • f of hosed pride, (Chem") They would
Soin
ftiens la them, no soma.
dieb‘eirosiminnemand
babwhlohlotheLiticismal!,
citibes; wilowJl juin. whether them men were
mem upon the system of the thao lo of the mega (Hear, hear.) meld see lo It • Maury
of aneennee with an ami d an inirgy and me-
bigwithout a would, in bet, tribe
thei steps by Mehl archaic beam. the pos-
sesses of iiilyeat impire—(shomi :-41mty would find in it •
record of galtey,pdeloibm NM mitheentho, which hed shod
• lustre upon the Babb met (Cheers.) They would And
In it the lire of end adminberters second to
none for their for the oomprehensivenew of
their views, for their and humanity. (labiers.) They
hdiV
would iad ia it mea w a whib they always Med for the
interests of llagienithiid an,,, lest eight of the miters of
lan e. (Cher. I=iiihsbow. eth singetieemmit
idth had not Moth it asgraidd MO-
MNw and white bad wow mad to moped the damp end
the sellgiens menthe*. of the inhabitable. ((hem) God
imp that the esatiamithe of that history might wend se
bight or sea but ; but never let It have to
mai 4111110 led as that, in a monied ,et tremble
emipsepledVaimalii:tia matt minister could
.2.4
addingfo®d es:
=....tern mandinibe allendim • amp ef gummed.
(Cliare.) Lel it new ~rid 400 111 /100 peelliment
mad imperil an empire b it ebb&
fgaoranoe of what its wants req Above Ist it never
he Need that by asst of the house demi the Queue
andeiona were eanveibi lab the idiom& et petty.
Oland cheers.) The bd. gmillmod
is Thee immihnlliae 01•41Weato
eat, `' it net at mu d mgllsei to
it the government of ban." (am")
de L PERRY theldis INS 41411 fittest and met
memiet Ike • mom of this kind ;
Crab/ d Ibi BOW mil the attention of
tharisisjib
pneliftent wine mer with Lithe mike, 1
end ; all ese ibm India showed that mum pod
imp was mlisimeed tare. His opinion teem *et
he present system was an Ohl% ink% wed am-
them machine, Made had not assempifthed the eb-
gestvorhich it was Winded to Abet, the Oatig
re being now • mum mpg
.sieraisaw,
it Board of Codrol ausel=o/,,iii He tine el
llt not give the lead dine punt Imposed ',mem
• =t M. he shoed only enter into the gam.
Yen so far am to amider wisdom this was the right time he
the introdnotion of the bill. The node Ind had said that
num who pat prominently forwent peed. for delay mot
:In to oWeet to the whole petrol* of the ammo.
But a ises esaision, whoa the cavalry weemisigoil ia •
senithe, and Lord John Rumen pro to *fog
linrerini • somas of rehmeeetary reform' Palmed=
kind In urging that that measure should be leaned ; he
no one called the latter mak lord a bad retainer an that
ossoant. Hon. mwhobaillaWycomeintopwiieeat
into
' and had not before wand 40 Indian ImMens, have
no
dillculty in taking pet ia this MGM and teemeding it
with their Mom opinion. Bat he amid ad kelp mama.
boring that in 1863 he hod dam all he mad to lapped the
company, sad hod stated his otsvislion Het the geminmed
of that company was, in an its emediale, aged end • right
goviememat—that he had seed all the Weems he pommed
to peeminde that gewnesent, NM
b I•lB2deune amen&
mean while he mete& lees. degree dr
which the.took Om At di not see he be mid ble=
on to sopped the ineninee d Ns lethie think ahem snit
arguminte WON promnini m shenN lame hho to Owego
his opinions. Bath iniverinie might_ piesibly havenbe
preoweed. It might have hien shwa dot is the great nub
of omits lately in With the elm of the doable
sommiont had been so disimiona, so injum-
am to He ammo did power in lailo, that it van
neesenry, whaterar ether it might hathat
&odd be meddled se •thethini. hod welted with thee
occurrinswit
=gtbelied in me Irked* hi the speech of his noble
a Ningbo nee wit hmeght forward which would
mem to the adhlinthss el say reasonable man that,
in the of mei in India, etcommfal
min ProM men day Mil Wm Het moons had been
amid er band in vary theme by the aided of the double
government JIM the noble kid he idle to thaw that in
any way the adien of the double govarummi had sentributed
to that awful wry or rebellion in India—or thst WY ma-
smile lam mild bejasidall la thinking OM lithe doable
government he net suldei, the may or Mahn wadi
net Imo tibia pimo—ln OW am thelisinal
Lath law hem
ailed upon to soot* task penriene But he
lid brought formed no each assamd ; il me not pose
sills for those who 11;1653 had sawed the goveniment of
the company to abed= it at this mineeng. (Ham leer.
His feeling with mord to the dad&
always been very south noodled by L.ll:ol7sriation
ef the nature of one gevemment at hems. He
hod always been wry lattrildbg to othetthite
inter for consdintlem and had always thought,
from the biped/me °Maid, and reedenre, that it was a
very dangerous thing, in my distinct and formal manner, to
obliterate a time-honoured and enduring institution. The
experience of governments on the continent showed how dif-
ficult it was even for the beet-devised government to work its
way in the world end accomplish its own parpmes whim It
proceeded from the theory of any statesmen whatever, and
not from the pruned action of events. (Hear.) Theinkre
be had always hooked mercifully on the shortcomings oldie
last India Company adof the Board of Control, belleviee
Hat in both came the intentions of the governors bed been
right, and that their imperfection, should be rather attributed
to the neoratary defects of batman nature. Now they wire
to have a total change. A new order was to he
given by the oak lord for the government of 100
millions of people. This charter was to be dab
shaved by this small free nation despotically over
that immune portion of the globe. It was the
61:
ruse
lEaoralltad always proved veryvelit, that
is hi
of
; and he did not think that the sanction of
an mak sad the British constitution would be any
=elseseer that India would be more mercifully or
* dos demotion of so English cabinet
siggig !Cr he ISM by the double government of the
Sr India Crory. It Wee meowed to Writer for the
Illilapeny a council of eight gentlemen, to be appointed by the
grown—men. tberebts, in • eater degree, owing their
teition to the government of the day, who were to Metes
oe Indian minister open wire points. They way Rot b
have any farther Oliver than that of recording their *tett
in a note. It did net appear den that they were to have die

power of present leg those protests to parliament. At any rate
none of UOlll would have the privilege of stating in that home
the counter tees to that of the Indian minister. And yet it
was said that this was no change at all. The noble lord not
only took away the check of the East India Company on the
administration of the affairs of India, but be took away that
Meek which had always existed in the presence of some
directors in that home, who could state their case, if it hap-
sened differ from that of the President of the Board of
Control. He could not understand bow any man redly con-
versant with the affairs of India could be induced to become
a member of that council. He could not believe that any
one of the present directors would submit to plan himself in
a position in which he must be either an East India clerk or
an English subordinate. It was said that though the
patronage wee to be vented in the crown, it would be Orem
by competition. He could not conceive that the President
of the India Board would be es independent an authority in the
distribution of pitmane as that which now existed. Would
it not be continually suspected that the patronage of the new
directors was the patronage of the minister who prodded
over their deliberations, and wee made the subject of mutual
compromise for the convenience of both parties? But his
great objection to the measure was as to the time of its
introduction. The last speaker said that be should deem it
a great glory to have taken part in contributing to the
change of government on this occasion—,change of govern-
ment which they were told from the very commencement
was to be tinged in no way whatever with party colour—
that
Indian affairs were not to be made matters of party
politics more then they were now. But if they began by
snaking the change a matter of party politic* in that house,
what an wisest wee that of the party battles which
would occur in biter, on Indian aides ! A little
experience in that house had shown him what
wee the fate of colonies and dependencies when they came is
emelece with the party spirit of that home. He bad heard
the disensiens on Ceylon and on Canada , in both cases he
bed seen greet ',kinetic., committed, and he had unfortunately
ems the interests of those mainly comerned continually
milisedieled to the party iatmeate of that house. (Hear,
lam) The question of the goverment of Ceylon was pre-
seeds/ In such • way to the house that all but • total dhoo.
Melee of that government wee most by it; and with the
ezemtics of the premed Colonial &met/my, Mr. Charles
Mara", not one official in Ceylon kept his plaos after that
pedinseenry discussion. It wee an awful danger to think
ef exposing to this mode of action the destiny of 100 minions
of people. He had waited with the greatest anxiety to beer
from the noble lord some plea for bringing forward
his measure at this moment, but he had not advanced •
en& plea of the kind. Could that plea be the belief that
the Meet India Company was at present unpopular with the
pee* of England, and that it would be an advantage to
the government politically if they could abolish it ? (Hear,
hem.) He could not believe that. Hedid not believe in the
fact that the people of this country having thought upon the
matter, did retard the Hest India Compmy with any haling
of diddle or mation. (Haar, hear.) They knew that the
government of the East India Company had really bees the
government of themeless for themselves. It had been the
government of India by the great middle dames of lop=
and by the real public opinion of this country, as
by its Mg and most glorious num. (Hear, hear.) The com-
pany had been free tram all party bias mid all political con-
maim It wee the may goverament In the world that he
had ever read or beard of where it was nut pretended
that any favour was shown except that which was
due to merit and desert (Hear, hear) He could not
believe that the patronage of the Beet India Company,
if left to them, would be so equally diabibuted under the
new government as under the old. It was mid that the
amount wee exceedingly ma% sad that the Intern of open
competitioni settled the questien. Be had opposed the hero-
el that system in 1668; end he believed that before
eller Wynn pealed, • peat may memberof that Douai
well gam his example. Ti• bow that that system was a
pen INW ol many lamina ; soma Meads of his wen
point Mane on that meter. (A leragh.) There wee
Mem r Seek that Ye evens is India hed shown that the
beeeneited AK ad Ong' lan ant the wised men. Reis-
man had teen mitts lilat the ornate of the East India
Company had be Lee the house look at whet they now
IMO. At this meenent, Orltes the company's servants,
leech Watery red civil, had shown themselves men
of whim every one might justly be proud—when
• &gib of this mutiny, or rather Indian war,
bed atilliemeed in the minds of men almost all
=lin disasters of the govenunent war in the
, user)—when there wee hardly a boy in the
=it distant stations who had not in degree Mae-
the chance. and vigour of the Brltair none—(hear,
r-. 40 choose such a moment as thin to to them men
that the government they had wee an tut-
neer genrament, did emir • moat unfflatetal act on
that pet of toy minister. (Hem beer.) He should have
elgmanshipeelei lers raelpiteticm, more iiitowledere,and more states-
hem the andemes of the crown. Moi
Mr. W. VANBITTART mid that, bawls( bean in India
for • ooneidennie period, he wished to Wirer a few words
to the bone en dm qualm. The led India Com-
paq pretend • to the bout Thel:g In inquiry,
sad he whetter snob a et psdtlionere had
ever sword at die bee of the house. challenged in-
quiry be. the ammo at the mutiny ; and there was so much
of truth, jleelles, emit digetty in their appeal that he could net
believe that the Here of enanioas, enanal es it always
had beta by printiee of the denten Wear end justice,
wooldreten Mgad the Inquiry asked Ihr. That inquiry he
lobe* thaheekWinernsar7mdivid7!lvca,"44
vte

and its remake waste be its beet pM. u tater;
i
He was notipmored to admit that the Let IndiaeLialadpeny
ap.
were to he Mimi altogether toe pest &W&. Ha
that in tee sway boomer they led to beer end to =kr for
the work' sod ignorance of the Board at Control.
He hoped OM an took, foto the comsat of the
India sift would tole -Om, Demote he thought
one • of its come would Is hand to hew been the
insulliciency of Mbar, mega plead at the disposal of the
imatermrearmaamt kir some isms beak. Would it be
het Owe we hat one toperna militant, namely,
the Mk Feet, white wee stalked at Diatom to protect
611 Wks if country amtekkg each important towns e.
Cawnpank Became, and Allshabed, which lest city was the
bey .1 the hew provinces, and contained 19 lace of rupees
and mows! Oman of heavy ordnance P Were it net is I
the brave Otmeral Nall and the Madras Fusiliers, rind by
the aura= of Mr. P. (tubbing, we owe have lost Ike
BIONIIIII red Allelshat (Cheers.) In the whole
beaten Celmells sod llaballeh, 1,100 mike in length=
from 250 to 666 vie Vide. exclusive of the territories idle
&Oh etNegysio, Iltioilndmllother, there wore but
two lieropma .
at
regiments and four regiments of
leglegoy—ama deraned at toe at Lee:know—the
leme Ithod—oso at hos,one at amt, and one at Umbe6ah.
There nee en Buropeanry=s at Beaares, Allthbed,
Oa wen
, and other important ma-
thms. (Haor°7lvareiver Ones they occupied Ca
::li= had one Europe= reghnent thent,"Pcan
of Thognons besides. Bet would it be
tail wee the infatuation of the home am-
lbeelthe, ihod they withdrew three Utopia&
mate ham Tali between 1864 and 1856 ; SD that in the
ham period. Wore the annexation of Olds, them
nue 21 Earapan memento ot iambi ood two
ef to to India, whales in 1866 there IRO
he .18 regloola of kinky and two of aviary?
bolioved that if those thins additional regiments
OM sot been withdrawn those brutal manatee
wash mot have takenplaoa, as the outbreak would have been
Mold in the bud. From Islam to Rangoon, a distance of
I,olh men., with not Yee than 80,000,000 Inhabitants, there
weritat 18 bouillons at infentry, of which seven were
iodate keep dove the pope/aka of the Puaanb. But
Id where the pepaielha yes ael haessol, where
illet were 00,000 troop gal IN mad keta we Inept but
ass luropean regim* awl that et es arm if that
dente and ill hal Melia of Calmar's. Wlnt regard
the 214 reglard Wahl be raid e,whlsk were erthrtrawn
Ikea tali la ft that they were ousted
he do Oriels we.. Bat thee yes ehend
ant shoe
• eneelehon 'Ma wle earobohrotorrodo te
(111 ear, WO_ Lord Mande sad Gan who were sew
ea m'wLtas Oda if ladle sew what traeldniZift
vb. lit ON* re Dtrectom approvel tht et
the snoralha Ole* the
mi.* 0 susis matblng Mug= How did we
omit MAO hp essagging seeedeee into the country, and
Poll* god s vobildesoo kW sod court and a licentious
net was set the way het Sir C. Napier worm
liothaasul that Lord Hardinge and Lard
(butiltrolord the b. Lad Dalhousle'e reemerge-
d/than wee mot to. Whet was the effect of ra-
n eillll:tak without a corimpooding number of troop?
They ealy to look for, en answer to the
kid horrors which bad alma place in lad*
sad to thee provinces which had ben wetted from oter
mile by cramail • ad seailted
Or Melo Nelll,Wkoder and 13licheVa
.....ada.dsPasid the WI stay of listdol tabs:hi ilk
ildbirlon Oils sot otlf alaialha
riehil 11V Me wit *Obi ate
aid w la Who tarolotigwrilmfro:
=st.Mho% two folly mans. tow
Idloo Wry the nob et govordtag
fdqdry EMU* Into the tame policy or atotthl4l
linsfina ear Marylon without a tarrespondhig
he
&room boom la Odd that Ow
- 1320. at ells 1,18 he lied dr
Wow )
of lowing the waft me
lb* dental§dodle of Amara traps.
(am viji_b mei do
pew dropouts. *As momery. "WO el
glO all& the=atee=v,l.....
ialineWerodis ardi.be Itiorrogrhod so to
Mem aid Bodoni Orr bats. Est if
Nollholon 1111111"11:111:1D=
Stini.tallit Vim *NM bo oratotily Mt With the
Ilarea,aliOavapae aerweenearearged, with*,
wli of &blood r Ondd Ault Is Sr bomb of Oro
sildborllkabo dons of b eve al SIMON of
hag Sift, GM INNS Ilde we wet the thee
he ea obroodos is tbo mods powiridg lodic Ho
didle ark mkt thee. rbrosootadoso, corooloa-
goody vole tz rho ed b 7
moblelord et the bead et hageteel
meradokbikpripts Pam, bac) the
Mr. A YRTON NMI Ike Ai sot WM_ Mrs& ids Veld=
for the tint time. flerfoig psi to UM wed' =railip
with every prejudice in beam et the Sall ledle
being the object of their Moo. Ito "111=
the the
which they was to oda on
nevertheless came to the that it weld not
only be highly fampollot bid' Amos firpordble
to continue the adommit of .1 ladto In the new of
the Bea bib Oompity. And is Yr hot we-
don of prolbomod food oggstonfty of up-
lug that lb dabliblldt net lie Ortimott of the_

crown for that of the Ea India Compaq was, ta •
his opinion. utheaeary for the DlSl4TertallUe of India end the
loyalty of its people. He looked upon the rovernmeat of the
East India Coiapany as wholly inwmpanth with the least
knowledge of politica on the pert of the people of India, far
it was impoasible, if there war ii wood infer nee in govern-
ment at all, to conceive anything moth eeplorthl.., more de-
grading, or more dishonoureble to • people than that their
exiarenoe should be ignored by the b•rerrign wets on
which they depended, and turned over to be ma-
naged by the remnant of a joint-eitoek company. (Hear.)
sir J. ELPHINSTONE said that two maces Wined
him to vote spinet the bill. The first wee, that instead of
an independent responsible body drawn from those beet
acquainted with the eutject, the power would be trenafereed
to an irresponsible body; for although the members of the
council were in the first instance to be chosen from the emir,
of Directors, the office must eventually become . a political
one, given fur parry purposes. (Hear, hear., H. strongest
o_lejection to the bill was on the ground of. the time he
believed it would have • very prejudicial effect in-
deed in India if this question should be brought
forward and dealt with at this moment. (Hear, hew)
There was a formidable struggle still going on in India, and
it was well known that the bulk of thee who were engaged
In it knew only what their leadere wished them to know. In
proof of tbia he might refirr to the slowness with which the
news of the fall of Delhi speed through the cvthatry. For
weeks multitudes remained in ignorance of the Let, and be
believed that at that moment it was unknown in some pane
that Delhi had fallen. In the course of the debate that
evening her Majesty's colonies had been alluded to as being
governed in a superior manner to the territories of the East
India Compan). He had some knowledge of on. of three
colonies, namely, the laland of Ceylon. Wherewith India there
were already four or five hundred maps of railway in °pro ion,
and there was • greater mileage still in progress—in Ceylon
• railway which was projected in 1845 had with great am-
enity now been made the subject of • survey ; and whereas
the last India Company had lately taken into consideration
the ex*iwcy of doing away with all import duties as being
ineonst with the spirit of too age, the government of
Ceylon had imposed a ditty of 2i per cent. on all e
If the public offices in Ceylon were examined it would beh
found that the appointments in them were not generally given
to such menu the Lawrence@ and Ontrems, and others of the
mama claw In that island amember of the council, who had
regarded ft as consistent with hie duty to oppose the con-
struction of a railway, was the month:l-law of a mem-
ber of her Majesty's government. He felt perfectly
certain that from the moment the government
exorcised the sums influence in India that they
now exercised in the colonies the description of men who
governed India would begin to deteriorate. He we ear-
primed to hear the noble lord at the heed of the government
remark at the close of his speech, that the company having
governed India for 200 years waa responsible for the mu-
tiny. When he fint went to India, about five and thirty
years ago, they did not power one-half the amount of
territory that they possessed at present. Delhi was ac-
Luircl,l only in 1801. Since 1817 they had acquired the
&Inds, Chittagong, Bermah, Pegu, the Punjaub,
and various other provinces, making, perhaw, In the aggre-
gate three-fifths of the Indian empire. It was surprising that
tho noble lent who could not open hie mouth without show-
ing how varied was his information, should have committed
himself to such a palpable fallacy. He trusted that the
hotter would not consent to pees the bill in the shape in
which It stood. Looking at the amount ot work which bad
been dose by the government of India during the last twenty
years, end at the public works which were still going on, and
must in • short time be brought to a completion, he was con-
vinced that there never was another government which had
dons me much within the same period; and be had no doubt
that those energetic and honourable men whose conduct bad
out Etch a lustre over the arms and policy of this country
would be enabled to clear themaelwe from every imputation
1 width bad been made upon them, and to show that the chief
1 mistakes which had been committed bad proceeded from her
i esty's mivernment. and not from themselves. (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
bon. member for Huntingdonshire (Mr. T. Baring), who
' bad followed the somewhat unusual course of moving an
amendment to the motion for leave to introduce the bill, laid
the foundation of that amendment by presenting to the house
en ably drawn and carefully wnaidered petition from the
But India Company. Now he agreed with the
banwerable gentlemen who had lately addressed the
men that petition had received full as much praise
am it —(hear, hear)—for a public document of that
kind ought, as that hon. member remarked, not merely to be
distingtuthed by excellencea of composition and of stye, but
also to be based on undeniable facia, end to present doge and
cogent reasoning. (Hear, hear.) Now there were two
plain assumptions running through that doeumeot. One se-
gumption, which was perpetually obtruded on their attentiou,
wag, that they owed to the Rant India Company—to their
CZ,..tibrintdrisourcee, hal thoteLrftwergywas, tilbt e airielm.tionnmolft
of the Raw India Company was one of the beet govern-
maths that the civilised world had produced—that
ft
all might be taken as • model and a pattern
by other governments. Now before adverting to
the remarks of the hoe member (hlr. T. Baring) he wished
to examine how far those woo main allegations of the petition
could be subeantialed. First, then, with regerd to the
1 assumption Bastthw owed the sequidtion of their Indian
empire to the India Company. -He would not now stop
, to e whether that sot ' had all the talus which was
attributed to it. It owtafnly added nothing to the wealth of
the government of . Whether or not the examineof the right of sovEee my had contributed much to tiler
trade with that oountry we. • matter of opinion. Tbs.%
however, who maintained that they owed an inexhausdbh
debt of gratitude for the supped acquisatka of that
by the East India Company, were bad to show that
bad
derived great benefit wit. Ns waited for the
proofs of that ; ue. to thee he wag ow-
tainly not acquainted with thew Bat 1t.e.....8r
admitted that that empire havieLirebsysik
the native governments ha iiiallesta 0
Site
own government having Binea,lbey bad Memel
were
obligations MIMI glegle er Mk which they
were bound to fulfil, Nit It wee sai spa theme fur the
asks ot the natives of India, to administer the eat in
the best wily in their power. He did net eg question ths
policy of maintaining the Indian empire ; be only maid that
those who maintained that they owed • deep debt of
to the Beet ladle Company were bound to prove tLelitl
theyle
had derived such enormous advantages from India as thew
were 'apposed to have done. But he disputed the doctrine '
that ft was by the policy of the East India Comma?
that the Indian empire was acquired. No person
who wee acquainted inth the history of the Bast India
Company would retails to admit that It had been the in-
variable doctrine of that company—of the executive govern-
' meth of this country. and of partiament—thus all weft end
all territorial acquisitions in India should. if possible, be
avoided. While the company was a trading body, that
doctrine wit maintained by the directors ewe more peremp-
torily then it had been since it became • mace governing
body. It main defiance of instructions from home, it was
through the energy of men like Clive, the/ugh the daring
and snomethal re ity of governors like Warren
that the fret time et the Indian empire wiLagatha
(Haar, beer.) The Best India Company had factories, they
bad forts, they bad • small army, they had an
they hadasiAmws in India which were filled elt=
servants. (Hear, hear.) Mass servants were hem fhb
very beginning a subordthaw and mutinous rasa—(hl r.
and "bear, hew 1-end to is of their egg •••
quint territory. (Hear, hear.) They were rsgsief a mshe
neeiteinges to this country. What was the SIAM Mii:
alas
w neeliMmees P Why, to Oder • ermines
111111'.) The dklollll always held des same Maga. : obe
jar they ad, 0 be *gullible, avoid wen, amid the sop&
aka a , bat do not forget to es ea tesftiase
home .) We 4 the mmoste at Ns
sepagand at Asa time by a moms ortZlit
Is moths remit Cepl et Geed Hop,
abashed et imispendsser, end as
airsoLhed=my ommaal 'aerated asomphia this th-
an& illsetisdkece ef their own sermon.
Ns mastaad, last that the !mahatma al ,eon em-
pire were lad, In of the dirtinet, repeage
try instructions dohs tending direcien in Landon ore=
them. Socoomeive acquisitions were made by Clive, Madam
and other men, who scud cm *skews poik7 in spite of =atom
dirsodons from this comb y. Aslant was the fate of these
India conquerors whin they aggesed to this country? Loa
Clive istamed aloha by s tale hams, not acquired, ha
dated
le ray, by ails mans. • hw ahr he ear
duet wee wade the soled elf esems wensmar as mean amnia by *lda he ignt en end ble ens
la. sash was the Oa prodant In this
on the mad of him who ma sand the fotneeM
eras empire. They all knew what wee tha reasgion
Haatings and with. They all knew thsAititat
Or his return, he became the object of that
iiehsamt in which awl/ all the *mad teisail the
deg wire employed la thasualmg lq2l, at lama,
ad mledessessors of di masa ; ast Daher
Dam, ma Ten, nor Dana', nor end to throw
Iblig liiii ea ha, and that he wee man consent
eandemmed by prima end the arantiy. Timane, ft ma
gas • nista, to lama that It was ths racy of the Court
at Dirsolers that gave then the Imam mare : it was, in
M. 61 kregar ad inembradhats magi of mouth of
sag, lased, the hanamme which the
gemettrlen the company plata in ahr hands, but in
dime a the smart policy and repeated instmotions of
the amare. Well, each was the state of things up to the
time awn the government of India practically passed out of
the beefs of the Company—and with regard to the period at
math ale occurred he was entirely at throe with the peti-
tioners and with the hon. member for Huntingdon—in 1784.
Pram Ant time a series of governors were appointed under
As Wham a the executive government at heath. Now,
who was Om Hementw-General who might be said to have
beta dm mead hadm of the Indian empire ? Why, the
=rdisli.y. He went out to India not merely on the
of the directors, bat under the restreint of
an set ot pertiameat passed unanimously to prevent
terrltoriel acquisitions in India ,• but be evaded that act
by the system which he introduced of subsidising treeing.
1 Under that system the acquisition of territory was avoided,
but the essay, and wady the reel sovereignty of the
into the of the British government.
Mit l= wag, bite hie predecessors, forced to act in
at the poky sanctioned by the legislation of parlia-
ment wil _ y enforced upon him by the instructions
a tr• ibeeleen it salted the purpose of the pro-
gtamse,,,,..... !err Eset India Company Company to resmdsettthemtvilil4l.
Wan down maim to the were of the Orthernote-
Tide einelbe truth. It war creditable to the
Asa toy bed been the constant opponents of tend-
eittheediemnet in Leila; la, then, if that policy had

always been carried out tide country would not now have its
' Indian empire. lie now came to the aseumption that the
lgovernment of India had bun administered in a meaner
which entitled it to universal admiration, and made it a
model for all the governments on the /woof the earth. This
wee the manner in which the company spoke of themselves
in their petition " They feel • complete assurance that the
more attention hi bestowed and the more light thrown upon
India sad its administration, the more evident it will become
that the government in which they have borne a part has
been not only one of the purest in intention, but
one of the most beceficent in art, ever known
amongst mankind." Now, be thought it could net
be disputed that the character which the East India
Company bestowed upon itself was not very moderate in
point of excellenos. lot them see how far this character
rested upon the evidence of fame. The company remained
substantially a trading one till the battle of Ptrasy wasfought
under Clive; and the acquisition of Donranee wee the foun-
dation of the sovereignty of Bengal. A few years after the
government of England begin to claim a Mare in the terri-
torial soquintions, and the matter was compromise,' by an
agreement on the pert of the company to pay a certain sum
annually instead rat handing over its tetritonal atiquisitioss, au
was proposed by Lord Clive and Mr. Pitt, to the crown. That
sate of things continued fora number of years, when the
abuses which prevailed in India attracted the notice of the
legislature. In the year 1773, during the administrates of
Lon" North, there was passed what was called the Regula-
tion Act, when perlisment firm interfered with the local go-
vernment of India. It did not attempt to control the
parry in London, but it dealt with tho council in India. Five
member. el the council were named in the am of 1773, and
there of then; among whom was Warren Hsettags, went
nut from the country. The result of this attempt at par-
liamentary control was diseeneion without and in The coun-
cil. A duel was fought between two of the am-
bers of it ; there was a contest in the SIMMS.
Court, and ultimately the conviction Wei forced on parlia-
ment that its attempt to exercise direct control over the local
government wee a complete failure. He should observe that
by the act of 1773 power wee given to the Secretary of State
and the Lords of the Treasury to examine all the cone-
Foetid/nos that was received from India. In the popular
arguments on this subject it was commonly assumed that
parliamentary control was exercised for the first time
under the administration of Mr. Pitt, in 1784; but
what he bad just stated showed that this assumption
was eneneous. Power was, he repeated, taken to
I
epan all correspondence received from India,
but it wee found that that power was not sufficient, sad in
1780 Lord North brought in a bill by which a power was
gives to the government of controlling the correspondence
sent by the Court of Directors to the authorities in India.
That was a system which was afterwards consolidated under
Mr. Pitt's act of 1784. But notwithstanding these successive
interfirences of parliamentary control, the administration of
India was not found to improve. Complaints multiplied and
committees of the house were appointed in 1781 and 1782,
who made a long succession of reports which were included
in four lathe folio volumes, compared with which our modern
blue books were pray and contemptible in their propnrtions.
(" Hear, hear, and laughter.) The whole subject of
India administration was thus investigated by two com-
mittees of the house—one of them presided over
by Mr. Burke and the other by Mr. Dundee,
w wite afterwards President of the Board of Contl.3cd,d=
they made, he believed, no lee than seventeen report'. He
stated that to show that the whole subject of India had
undergoes the most careful investigation by the House of
Commons at that time, and that those who supposed the ad-
ministration of the company from 1783 to 1784 was a course
of uninterrupted prosperity must be singularly uninformed in
the pernemenaey history of that period. (Hear, hear.) He
wouffi take the nerty of reading an extract from some reso-
lutions moved by Mr. Burke in 1784 in that house, in which
he described the result of those parliamentary inquiries ; and
' if the truth were doubted be could produce a multitude of
passages from the reports of epeeches of the time that would
supply abundant evidence in support of err ry cne of the
items in this sweeping sentence and condemnation. He Naked
the attention of the hoe's to this summary of the result
of the investigations he had referred to, as showing hew far
the character which the East India Company tow gave of
their own administration, when the ayeleto of pure, raps,
sad unmixed management by the company and their officers,
with only a very imperfect control en the part of the executive
government, was true. !Hz. Borke's resolution of 1784 stated:
The remelt of the perhamentary Inquiry was that the Bast
India Company was found totally corrupted and totally per vetted from the purposes of its institution, whether politics'
or commerdal ; that the powers of war and peaoe riven by
the charter bed been abated by kindling hostilities in every
quieter for the purposes of Welk, and almost all the treatise
of peace they had made had been the cause of so many
breaches of public faith ; they had reduced a country once
flourishing to decay ; under their rule the population dine-
' sighed, and the national character bed been dishonoured. That
the malvereatioas of their servants were encouraged rater
than checked; and when certain pincipal delinquents were
pointed out the company reamed to recall them, and supported
those who had fallen under the just oniattre of the home
Strong am this language might sound to the House of Cm-
moms at this moment, unfamiliar as they were with dr
scenes of rapines plunder, and every species of abominedioa
that were brought out in evidence before the committees of
1783 and 1784, he maintained that it was a faithful mee-
t sentation of the opinions that prevailed at the time with
respect to the government of the East India Corn-
, pony. He maintained that this notion, this senti-
ment, in favour of the Haat India Cowpony, and
the debt of gratitude we owed to them, was entirety un-
known and altogether alien to the feelings of that generation
who knew what the company was before parliament inter-
fared. He maintained confidently that no civilised govern-
ment ever existed upon the face of the earth more
corrupt, more perfidious, Sr more rapacious than that of the
East India Company from 1768 to 1784—(hear, hear)—that
was during the interval from the time when it became a
territorial senweignty until it was placed under poiliamen-
tary emend ; and he appealed to the recommendations
of parliament and the evidence in the repine and
documents of the time for osioluslys proof &minatory
of the character of the company as a political body.
With these facts before him, he cadamed that he could not
read without armies the characeer which the company had
bestowed upon thasselvem founded es it was entirely upon
their acts sense the period whin they were subjected te par-
liamentary oastrel—stece the time when then had been a
Board of Control to superintend theproceedings of the e-
rectors in London, and minas there bean Gowesoe-
neral and
_other governors in India appointed, not by the
directors themselves, bat by the executive roveramed, @ab-
ject to public
in opinion and subject to parlisameagy
reeponsibi . (Hear.) All that could he said in favour of
the East die Company dated from the year 1784,
and be challenged them to find one bright page in their
annals dunes the whole period that they were free from
control. It was by suppreesng their conduct in bygone
times which had passed from the memory of the present
generation, and the records of which were to be found a
Wades written by their own servants, who dwelt but little
on their own misdeeds, and by ooseentrathig attention on
their rube peat acts when the company had come
under the metro' of parliament and the suiontive the*
they were enabled to give themselves that eztraordinary
favourable character. But lot the hones fellow
their history from 1784. They knew that beam
that date Mr. Fox and Mr. Burke, who was chedrems of one
of the committees, was deeply impressed with the azioneeties
of the company, and who. in the impeachment of Warne
Hastings, brought before the house and the country in those
eloquent orations which would remain coeval with the history
of the country the misleads of the pro-consulate whose sate
he impugned ; it was the combination of the efforts of theme
two gnat alesemata that led to the foundation of the first
India seesaw that almost annihilated the rule of the
company. The cases of the defeat of that ram-
sure was not sympathy with the company, but
alarm m rupee to the Indian patronage. It was
believed that the commiesianne named ID that bill

;gni pirtiminl end it was thought that an uneonyi....___
power wee Model re le smilinred upon them :that we
with that thwarbask the hill pried the Commons, and It wee
Attrown wet hole Leeds, in asesegnenes, It
wee supposed,
eat :ihmeirsealeasenearef the King, whn took Glenn et the
• bran thew iiiiheistsramd Pmir.
It
IMSWailli"ntilat the symthitpathyth.
Mild
thewoulootind ece-try
trill the last India Comp% but Mr. Pitt had tke de.-
** be Mb advantage el slim that had beau excited
=dm the hettranka that Mr. Fox Intended to used
Idailalf honsperly of the powers the bill would have
asthma the government, mad detested Ie
zahtistry. Ira. Pltt themowns in, wed mime hie shot-
sherstion that kern of Indian gomenment was selnhilehed
which with same demo had mimed to the pessust day.
Mr. Pitt laid it hewn es a that there mishit am
imperstart *l hr en the suttees of bilk
and public *ohm at that time absolutely required thee the
East Lan Osingssy should net be Isit in the exercise at hi
unconstrained peer. Mr. Pitt having wadded in throw-
ingi out the goweemeat of Mr. Eon open the previous bill,
the company la pcammion albs pewee bleb of govern-
lag sad of balm lost meter' a Board of Control, which
wan Is
re
over ths mils ef the directory. Now the
house wield oteirre that the dbet of treitituting tbe Beestkof
Control you wholly to slew he slimester 1 the East India
Company. Up to this tar the , with thever.:eas
of the perlirameeryintedinewe Wag
tra!liag swum Enrolls/ tossanten peeve emor ,
F in Wis. Botha lesiNnilen et% limed sfOinirsi
placed the sinew lasd It lie Potenkre proms 1 a s
gabordimbpsisks, wee ken tint ti:
linnad to
obey every maw tie of OM NI hersed—theynelshmi
the initiative, it wee teem sad smelled a eels-
troUfng power war the ashy of We Welly and ear
stitntismally they was in sabordinslina and of of hie
new dspedanent Of Iha lirth.lllll4. 111 17.6 Mr.
the thin Pleaded 'Ms BOOM It al. iminght Dial%
ter peetNiSbils tibia isi semeni 'fig ..042"..m..
..de to the wow*, rediseed tins Is greetseb..
&team prodoion, sad beerseg to emnphts perilehell ' '
the affidit.a..fd ,diVihnieveretradened. Mi. Dudes.
on that the 's shrew
fbr 210 years, e--";—. WI 1513 essignry
thw th*
of fres Inds beim is spreaS. hd
more Ma
el
tbe trading spina the doable Inlespeir err .
deed by the = I=, Company
peso to make
ad
and the government, in eonsegusaoe, pared the
of the nresepoly. In the la of that fair, d= I
ha change wee iseredewed, and the esseimny wo'ro
Mein tisk gomening prwa sielsiest ea the Beard ea Ow
hal, bed woo dspeNad el at et die Ifroaa 1"4.•
eetelsistroareer,tbe wisorsor a ma "al ilid
vas Bs sileastabudiaarelbeefilisa Ea the Hem
of Commons el iota, lidd dad 'Mb"' ef fealagg
banwhiohtismithey errs
aminewarsisthilbsumemerebs ie
ta:Vgrwiewied had