The Express.
London, England, 1860-03-13 00:00:00

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IMPORT DUTY ON RAGS PROM FRANCE.
Mr. PULLER asked tbe flecretary of Ste. for Foreign
Alain whotherit Ina the intestket of thenvarh goverment
le impose say duty us the expert of rags from Francs when
the existing protubitsus /lOW be removed; bad. U so, the
amount of wink duty ; sad 'Maw way steps had beta taken
der obtaining • IN. tarot of rest from those conatrles la
oldish the export was now either prohibited or restricted by
Wavy dome, via., Beigium, Hoitaad, Germany, Spain, sad
Porta:el.
L.tro J. RUSSELL seld be had to state that her Melesty'a
government bad beard from their ambessedor at Paris that
1 there you'd be an ezeort du.y uya lag. leaving Franco, but
tt was not yet deckled whet toe emouut of duty Cloak' be;
it was however hoped that it would not be large. With
regard to the period question. her bliijeety's government
would take steps to obtain the free export of rags from
the other (vestries named ia the quotient of the hon.
member. (Hoer, bear.)
RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION TO CHILDREN IN

Mr. EINKAIKH eehed the Pre iient of the Poor-law
Board whither any and what 'umber of unions had expressed
otjections to • certain order of the Poor-law Bard, dated
the 23rd day of Angus., 1869, rel Ain( to the religious in-
If f 1/311011 of orphan children in workhouses, sad whether •
large number of mime bad not positively refused to obey
such order. whether any stem had been taken to compel
the guardians so refusing to carry into effect the said order
and, whether the Poor-law Board had intimated, or cuss)
it to be understood, that the said order was not compulsory.
Mr. VILLIERS slid the order referred to was lamed by
his predeoesnits, en i to S9l unions, and 39 boards of audio/is
bed expressed nom ohjection to the order, and some had
elated their intention not to give any effect to it. The Poor-
law Bond had not taken any steps to enforce it. Some doubt
having been expressed u to its Mal construction, the Board
took the opinion rimmed, sad they bad since ranad UM km
made known that the ardor multi set hi oomputeory.
ANNEXATION OF SAVOY AND NICE.
Lord J. MANNERS said the house would roadbed
that the noble lord oppasPe had ca • former occasion stated
that notwithstanding the somewhat ambiguous languid* of
the Emperor of the French, he me still of opinids that the
Emperor inteaded to email the great powers of Europe
previously to usallag Savoy to France. In consequence of
certain stalemate which had since appeared in the mud-
official Frewl prose be (Lord J. Mennen) we. anxious to
repeat the question which had been asked of the noble lord
opposite. whether since making that reply he bad received
my further infsemation from Paris se to the intention of his
I Imperial Majesty to consult the great powers of Europe upon
this subject.
Lord J. RUSSELL Said he could inform the noble lord
that bee MejeaAy's goveroment bad inEructed their amber-
odor at Paris to mg the Preach government in what manner '
and in what form the great powers would be consulted, and
Tnouvenel had replied that he was preparing a de poach
upm the subject, which be thought he would be able to send
to-morrow or Wedmeday to the ambassadors at the foreign
count As regarded the effect of that oonitounication he
could only_ say, that he hoped the opinion of the great
powers of Europe would have due weight with the govern-
inset of the Emperor. (Hear.)
Mr. DISRAELI said that as some misapprehension ex-
toed in the house with respect to the brains., tired for the
19,h, se to whether there would be a discussion on the motion
is reference to the man nation of Savoy or the motion upon
the smug Nairn of the Reform Bill, it would be oca-
rina,' fee the base to know whether the noble lord would
bringizeis the mead reading of the Relona Bill on that
eves .
I, J. RUSSELL said that ao t beem
eatmad into between the government end his hoc. kind
eh member for Bridgewater, that • 'Mks relative to Savoy
skald come on upon the lath, end it was kis (Lard I.
Ruselre) lateatios to move theemead mailfai el the Rees
Bill on that evesiag. (Hew, Mar.)
Mr. EINE/LAKE asked whoeher a dierreseloa as ihe ma-
aesnlioa of Savoy would be allured to Nam ma are:
government sight. (Hear. hew.) Perhaps Ma
would Indulge him for • gew inmost, while ba stela the
carcuinstuose nadir which the quirks was pLared. (Order,
cedar.) He would cowhide wits •• modes. (Hear, hear.)
He mast nimbi is her that when the dis-
crete. *pea the reasimaraial treaty with France
was pending then were several bee. ambers who were
precluded ham discuseang the question as to the annexation
of Savoy by the stalemate of die noble lord, who took the
opporteeity of swag that them interruptions to the die-
imam of the treaty wen esteem), Inconvenient, sad the
noble lord asked whether it would not be better at um to
have a (sir sad apes disoomks opu the walnut. Let it
(the noble I,rd said) have snob a ductunion ae took place in
another hones • few weeks beck. He (Mr. Kinglake) in
deference to that suggestioa was induced, suing ander the
Uric* of mural Mande apes whose judgment he relied, to
gin • soon, of motion spool the subject, cad he must appeal
thenoble lord to my whether they bad not Leidy
their part of that hosiourable andersteadlag. =asyd,
it we. open to say hon. member to make week
observations as he phased es to the annexed,* of Savoy,
during the tireethe commercial treaty was nadir diseeseba.
But fur he own part he abstained from eddressieg ills hues
upon the 'abject. Hs could not but think that they had
something like • fair claim on the government to Wet in
bringing Ude question before the home. (Hoer, hear.) The
male lord would also recollect that he plawd is modem ea the
gaper for this day, and he deeply regretted he had ben pro.
vented by the government from brininess it en, beam* so-
cording to the id...make, which tee had. received Was fa
regard to this matter wee vital. (Hear, beer.) He bed thie
morning received intelligesce that tie Savoy deputise to the
pediment of Sardinia had met et Clumbery, sad that
they weer shoat to meted to Paris with the view of doing
hostage to the Emperor for Savoy. He did not know whether
the noble lord had received the same talonsation on the sub •
Jett. There cald la no doubt that dine was of the deepest
importance, and he would not accept the responsibility of
being the cause of soy delay. The muss of the delay must
rem with the government, unless as soca mpossible thge's-
tlou be dimmed. (Haar, hear.) The hon. member
resumed hie seat without making say motion. (Cram of
Move, move.-)
The SPEAKER said the hon. member not havlag con-
cluded with a moths his proceeding was extremely irregular.
the
The
hoses. BON. OlNTLalleg there moved the adjouramost of

was, immure\ me the course of the transactions bore upon
the menet of the Emperor of the French, and the ether
branch wen the degree in which the ewes of the tremeen-
times bore epos the conduct of her lideety's government.
His noble erteed had stared, and be thought in a mamma
which no man la the boas. would matrovert, that this boom
having distinctly and clearly impressed Its optaka upon the
policy sad project of the anaustlen of Savoy to Frans, to
repeat disou.sien from week to week, ti repeat angry
animadversior.s upon the conduct of the Emperor of tbe
French—sod he could: not but say that personalities upon
him were not very us:dui—did not tend to the public into-
; reels of Ilia country—(Lear, loser)--.specially weer they
Te. were in in
iestatsi stated of sovereigne alliance.
le of L .. I: ima
reign cnistry with wlstu
wd
; that no good could 'Ow from such repenticas of distrust
and deckled opinions, but that. great evil would be the coo-
sequence—first of all, evil in regard to the issue of the
matter in question. and next as related to their alliance with
! the government of France, and mentors if the object of
those who wished to renewdisoussion wee simply to mew
expressions of opinion disapproving of the project of
the French government, he thought his noble friend had
; give ample reason to the house why it was not expedient that
the house should determine upon pursuing that course. If,
on the other hand, the right hoe. gentleman thought that the
other branch of the subject sue one which should be brought
wider the consideration of parliament; if the right hoe. gen-
tleman and those who thought with him were prepared to •
propose • vote of censure on the government to regard to
their conduct in reference to Savoy, undoubtedly that would
be a most legidmate make fur the house, and one most
proper for these to consider who believed that her Majesty's
government deserved censure. (Hoar, hear.) But he
could assure the right honourable gentleman and those
who thought like him that the government would
be perfectly ready to meet any motion when brought
forward, sod therefore Le thought it ought to be clearly
explahed to the house by those who wished to bring this
subject again under discussion, whether it was intended to
be a censure upon the isooduct of the government of Fenno',
or whether it would be brought forward with a view of la-
the:log the hones to pass a vote of osneure upon the govern-
ment of England (Hear hear.) He doubted whether
his hon. friend (Mr. Hinilake) had the later object is
view. But if the right ;hen. gelatinise entertained the
opinion that he had insinuated that her Majesty's govern-
meat had felled in their duly, he thought it perfectly legi-
timate that a motion on the subject should be brought before
the house, and that it should mill upon the house to express
cesettre upon the government ; and her. gentlemen should
not bring the conduct of the government forward inciden-
tally upon a motion which did not bear upon their pro-
ceedinge but smog the conduct of • friendly ally. (Hew.)
Sir J. PAILINGTON mid the noble viscount had very
much misrepresented his right hon. friend. Nothing fell
from hie right hon. friend to the effect that he intended to
bring forward a vote of censure on the government, but what
he stated was, that the house ought to call upon the govern-
ment for an explanation as to their line of conduct upon this
question of annexation of Savoy with France. He thought
the noble viscount was not entitled to iterate to his right
honourable friend an Intention that he wished to
propose a vote of censure on the government. (Hear.
He thought they were entitled to some explanation of the) fact which appeared in the papers, that the noble lord bad
wade no protect against the conduct of the French govern-
ment until the month of December, although be was aware
of the contemplated annexation long previous to that time.
True, the hon. member for Bridgewater had pat hie
motion oa the plea that its discussion wouldbe injurious to
the public service, but the noble lard at the sense time Gael
an opinion thatithe subject should be fully diseases:l
pa
bothored houses of parliament. He (Sir J. Pakington) though.'
it only right that both houses Amid Mao as opportunity of
expel:wing their opinions on the unexation question before
the come of events rendered ell discussion useless.
Mr. HOESKAN thought that the proposition which had
beam laid down by the noble lord the Secretary, for Foreign
Maks was man saleu Wed to alarm the boar and the elasary.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ft was
ateeetary to understand the position of the govereerat with
regard to the motion of the hon. member for Bridgewater
Him noble friend the Secretary fee Foreign Affairs bed
given his opinion, not on the inexpedient of all dis-
cussion respecting Savoy, but cn the roexpediency
of discuseiens of an indecisive character, and which
could have led only to irritation with regard to the
French government without any practical result. The
object of his noble bleed had berm to drew that distinctioo,
and to show that a government night could not be given for
the purpose of renewing meth a din oriole. The spuit of hie
noble friend's observations was that if there wee soy prop°.
eition to Mecum the proceedings of government, full oppor-
tunity would be given for such discussion. His noble friend,
who was precluded by the forms of the hews from again ad-
d:eating them, empowered him Wry that, with a view to
any explanations that might be thought wiessesry, without
contemplating a vote of censure, be would take an opportu-
nity to-morrow (this day), when presenting papers relative
to It to make • statement with mimeses to the proceed-
ings tithe government. (Hear.)
Mr. 8 FITZGERALD, who use bet very imperfectly
heard, wee miderstood to my, that only live days before the
noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had expressed
himself strongly in favour of a diet/autos on the Savoy goes-
lion, both in that gad the other house of parliament. Surely
it was of great important* that the hands of government
ehoald be etratigtbimed by the opinion of that hones, in their
emphatic disapproval of the oondoot of France, end that the
hear should know what had passed between our government
and the government. of Item* Austria, and Frusta. They
did not want to ammo the government, but to Immo& fatly
acquainted with their policy.

CHINA.
In answer to Mr. H. C0C1111.4111,
BR G. GREY sold that (ha Secretary fir Foreign Arkin
would mats a statarsect respeetlag China on Friday neat.
It was true that Lord Elsris was leaving town, but he WM
only gulag to PM* sad would NA hove for China for moms
Ma&

Sir R. PEEL wooded the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL said what he asked the-hon. member
was not rely that this diacustion with regard to Savoy and
Nice should an be mixed up with the discuasioa on the com-
mercial treaty, 'but he had told him him it on
would be prettadkial to the public interests. He t ht the
boa. gentlemen yielded to that suggestion. That wee hie
opinion at that time, sad it still was es. (Hear, hear.)
They bad a discussion opts the subject, and in which the
hon. baronet, the member for Taniworth, made an eloquent
speech, and which produced a great impressios upon the house,
and ha (Lord J. humell) thought the optima of the boom
upon the snidest could not be doubtful, bat it was to he car
sid.red whether there should be any definite media
upon the subject. (Hear, hear.) The discussion in the
other house of prarllameot, to which he had alluded, wasjeota
dismission which ended, or wart intended to end, with any
definite resolution or say proposal that the t
should take • different course to that which it had Mkt:
he suggested, when as hon. gentleman evoke ea the
side of the home. He then said, what was to be the mean-
ing of the motion to be made? It It was merely to eagrese
the opinion of the house, he was afraid speeches wonttl be
mode which would preduoi feelings of initation and ems-
prates which, hr from being useful, would have • detri-
mental effect upon the pub Lo interests. (Hear, hear.)
There war apearty in Ude house who thought that the an-
nexatino of Savoy, however done, eves with the consent of
the King of Sardinia, or gorierally or partially with the
consent of the 13avoyardo—oneht to be restated. Even if it
were not actually opposed by the other great powers of
Europe, they thought this country ought to go to war. If
that was so, let them bring forward • motion upon the sub-
ject, If his bon. friend was of that opinion Ist hint do so,
end ha would cot find it difficult to obtain a day he the=
pars,
it being a matter of greet inaportanos, and one
should not be delayed. Hie own opinion was that the feeling
of the bowie upon the subject had been seflieleetly mime-
trued, and that no pubic discussion would be useful ; but,
na the contrary, he believed It would be fabliau to the good
feeling which existed between the two stuatrim (Hear.)
Mr. DISRAELI thought them was a meat Mira in the
remarks of the noble lord, and Indeed it had pervaded his
oh...remits' from the beginting. The noble lord mewed to
think that the only coaduct which w to to questioned by the
Woes of Commons was the conduct of the Emperor of the
Preach. That was a matter of great imporianaa—but he
had yet to town that It was sot the duty sad right of the
Hose of Commies upon questions of high policy to express
their opinions. (Hear, hear) But there was another por-
tion of the subject which opened a question of equal interest
to 'hie country. sad that was the conduct of bet Majesty's
troveruineut. They wanted a diecoasioa on this question of
Savoy that they clearly noderetaad what
had beset the conduct et the government us questions
which so mach agitated the country and Europe,
sad therefore the noble lord entirely begged the question
when he mourned that it was merely the policy of the Bra-
perm of the Fired that the louse wished to criticise end
question. The hove wanted to Mow how far the patsy of
the Emperor of the French had been ocomioned or favoured
by the governmest of bar Majesty, and he thought theme
matter. ought to be mode dear to the house. He could sea
agree at all whit the mune which the tube lord had taken.
It wee rem natural that the boa. member for Bridgewater
(Mr. Kinglebt), who bed taken greet interest in the qua.
ties, Amid wish to bring it forward, and it might be to
give en opportaaity for thit a:prestos of opinion with
respect to It with due regard to the asthma/as with
whom they were la alliance, end to obtain an opt-
: Mon as to the policy which bad been panned.
The was mother beene.h of the quotes, end use in which
the House of Camases wee naturally very mach interested.
The °widen et bon Majesty's goveramet, es it appeared to
him, wee involved la great mystery, sad required mach oz.
(Her, hem) The noble lord bad set sapless'
gsatial
fat house btese end the...atm how it was that Meng, art the
FEshowed, hem acquainted for many maths with the
of the la:perm of the Preach, he permed that mane
mods that pokey inaviothis The nab bed had use
stated hew it was that be proposed these bar points ka the
istthinliet of Italy to the groat pewee of Mamie whoa
It appeared that bed eunsealed em
these
powers hie cogaimare that if they were aempled
them provisoes of BatJlaia would be amaszed M Proms
He sea meta slide that the home wee embus far Warms-
dem en this_polat. (Hem Ms.)
Lard PALMS:9I'ON said he we. set dimmed to dimste
the prim.* whisk the right lam rat eses had leid down
—Ms, that there was two breaches of Ude se jeep—the ens

*TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 13, 1860.

proposal repooting the income tax be understood to he for
one year, an kers year only ; and the hon. settle:or only
pirated to abate it by a tithe of its amour.
_A. MILLS mar say that drotioadie r he
deemed the Metier tax upon peper to be, ead
desirable as ha thought it that every impediment to the
speed of knowledge should be removed, he oonaidered It
utterly Inexplicable that the Hours of Commons should vole
enormous tare in order to relieve • esc•ion of the community
--simply that the cheap might drive • profitable
trade. However, with We reluotisoce he should
give hie suppo't tJ the mocks of his hon. friend.
Mr. BLACK said he .bold support the second reading
of the bill on the ground that it would be eoonomioal to the
country to abolish this tax. The revenue derived from it wee
calmed at a very great expense. He could mention that a
work which he published was charged with the excise duty
of between 3,0001. and 4,G001. and before it reached the
hands of the public it met 17,0001. The income tax of id.
additional would not increase the evils of that tax. He
hated the income tax most abotninelly on account
of its inquisitorial and oppressive character, and be
hoped the tim was not far distant when it would all be taken
o still as between Id. Mooed tax and the abolition of the
paper duty there could be no question. If they abolished
the paper duty they would dispense with the service of the
excise officers. All publications, especially the cheaper mete,
were materially aided by the price of paper. The hom
ought to take into coasideration It.. whole mar of the people,
and not merely titre who paid the income tax. Looking at
the two sources of meaner, it would be int:fairly Muir that
the house should repeal the paper duty and put on the Id.
income tax. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. MAGUIRE contended that the repeal of the
paper duty would revive the trade la Ireland, and as for the
mom tax, altimt;:i he aLhorred It.. much as any man, he
was wilhnc to beer it in order to mom that repeal. With
these opinesis he felt booed to vote for the mood reading
and against the amendment.
Lord it. CECIL did not wish to see the paper duty coo-
tinned, but the question now was a balance of revenue. A
penny income tax would amount to 1,200,0001., and he be-
lieved that was as near as possible the mount of the paper
duty. If they reduced the import duty on rage they would
be met by prohibitory export duties in Spain and Italy,
and, besides, be believed there was fear of an actual
dearth of the raw materiel. No material had yet been dis-
covered as a substitute for rap in the menufsettue of paper,
and, if that was so, there would be no relief whatever from
taxation, as the consumer would have to pay exactly the
same as he now paid for the raw material. He thought,
it would be very unwise to repeal this duty.
therefore. it
GIBSON said, after the commercial treaty with
Friar had been agreed to by the hour, which had approved
the general policy of the floandal wham of the sorra-
went, that fiscal arrangements should be made to give re.
missions of indirect taxation, the question now was, not
between the paper duty and the income-tax, but between the
former and dime other branch of indirect taxation. Why
did the government select the paper duty P After • careful
review of our indirect Matra, they could not overlook
this duty, and they found that for the last 25 years those
who were entitled to the greatest weight in parliament
bad looked forward to its repeal as an objrot to be arm-
plished as soon as possible. The resolu'ion of the holm
that this duty was not to be a permanent source of our tax-
ation was part of a long, uniform system of coadeamation
which the duty had receive I, and the goverment would
have her culpable if they had given this seriatim the go-
by. If the dry was to be retained a bill must he introduced
to air whet paper was, lacluding in the (ladder ardor;
which cam is comtition with paper, but which maw r-
eaped the duty. Thep question, after all, woe whether the
tax itself was of that carrier that its Mendes should be
desired. TM producti in of paper was less in this country
than In the United Stade, where there wee an abeam of all
restriotione. What was the reason of the crippled state of
the manufactory hen? He believed that the excise survey
and restrictions had something to do with it. The Wrote-
tion over the want of rags was net new. He believed that
the repeal of the paper duty would create a demand for the
raw material, and that ajsupply would meet the demand.
Flax fibre and other product.' of the land might he applied to
this purpose, and become a source of profit to the agricul-
tural and farming interest. Be showed the oppressive
effects of the defy upon the cheap per, by eating up Its
profits, and suggested the influence which ire impoverish-
ment mud exert upon its quality. In this view, the
paper duty was really • tax upon knowledge while it
operated as au obstacle to the reward and the enterprise of
authors.

11;:i1ORSMAN observed that Mr. Gibson had not said
the word upon the principle of the bill, which, ander the
semblance of a measure dealing with a single duty, was in
reality • proposal for a change of vast importance, not only
on account of the principles it involved, bet of the conse-
quences to which it would lead. Having • million of taus
to remit, hutted of relinquishing the tea and sugar war
duties, the Chancellor of the Exchequer preferred to
remit the paper duty, became it would increase em-
ployment. Bat so would the remission of the tea
and auger duties. The difference wee that the one
affected • rich Mos sad the other the labouring desire. It
was of the greatest importance—socially, 'morally, and colt.
orally—that the bitter should receive the best wages; end,
if their money payment could not be increased, the remis-
sion of the taxes on tea and sugar would amble them to
buy more of the articles, or to raise themeless in the
social scale. The question, this, was whether moat
benefit would be conferred by remitting the tea end
sugar duties, or the paper duty. He said the object
would be best attained by remitunejtha former, and he
warned the house of the false prime . sad the mischievous
t they were eetablidelmg. They could not rest
precedent
Fresh demands would be mode for other remissions;
a premium would be elves for the agitation of classes.
This small precedent of filling up a deficiency by a
remission of an indirect tax, and laying on • direct
tax—ithi fling the whole burden of taxation upon one °lase—
would effect a complete fiend revolution. This was not the
budget of the government; it was the budget of the hon.
member for Birmingham. (Opposition cheers.) Ilia hon.
friend daring the autumn made • meet able arid frank ex-
position of his financial policy, end he could imagine the
Chancellor of the Exchequer writing to him sad saying, " I
read with great interest your speech. You have made •
convert dm. I beg you to come by an early trek to
Downlarstrestand help ins to frame my budget" (Opposi-
tion cheers.) I can well imagine that when my boa. friend
and my meadow friend came together, that the amenber for
Birmingham would say to him , ' Da not go too feet, you are
too impetuous." (Lusher.) Converts always are. Thorsen
the tee and sugar duties, eleven millions, don't touch them;
there is the tobacco duty, five millions, don't touch it. Begin
with the paper duty, it is only • penny. Ring the changes
upon that penny, sad that will get is the point of the wedge.
(Opposition cheers.) All the rest must inevitably follow, and
when in proms of time we are enabled to table our whole
financial whoa, my revolutionary project of finance, em-
bellished and disguised under your rbatorio—(opposition
ohens)—will introduce into the world what we should term
in lienabester a prime article the last and newest
Mieof the Oxford mixture. (end Opposition theme.)
, sir (oontlaned Mr. Saimaa), ere heft bad two
samples. We have bed Bret the treaty, which mit.%
biasses
friend the amber for Birmingham told us wen" thes
I object of his affectione"—(laeghter)—but which yes also the
child of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. However, as all
progenies mast have two parente—(lsaghter)—we mg ea-
same that the hon. member for Birminghamhad the pride of
paternity, while it was the Moistener of the Exchequer that
there devolved the pine oilstone. (Loud laughter.) Thefts
born is Yasuo Treaty, sad is the Unroof time there appears
Mies Budget, with eteeey prospect of &numerous family. (Re-
newed laughter.) We have already had timely notice of
another birth. (. Oh, ob," and cbeers.) I hold in my hand
•lePlar from the Chancellor of the Exottequer—(" ok" and
rheas)—signed with hie own name, and addressed to a tiler-
gyman la Wale., who writes to hint complaining of the in-
come tax. (Hear, hear.) This clergyman complains, am
clergymen may well complain, of the Widen of this income
tax—(hear, heari—and he also complains of the grieves°e of
his rating to the poor. The Chaneeller of the Exeter/ear
replies ; and he begin by knocking down this
clergyman, as he knocks down everybody. (Langlitteearrat
hee then the courage to writs and publish the following
" I must remind you that the canes of the income tax is not
the will of the minister, but the will of the nation—(a laugh)
—which, • few yeses ago, was content to expend on the mili-
tary servios"—se may millions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Be en
good se to reed the pam.ge. (Rear, hear.)
Mr. BOREN (reeding the extract with the aid of his
eye-glam, sad apparently with great difficulty.) " On the
supply serviem. [The Chia/Idler of the Exchequer :
" Hear, bear.l-21,000,0001., but which now thinks fit
to amid ea the some services 31,000,0001."
Aa Hon. Mersa-31,000,0001.
Mr. HOB.BMAN—I think the right hon. gentleman says
the imam le priacipally one the military, expenditure of tee
country, but I osa't reed it. (Criss of ' Read, read I") I
can't reed it clmrly.
Several How. klentelas—Let the clerk read it.
Mr. HORSHAM (throwing down the document
which he had been endeavouring to decipher)--I can't
read it. If I love leached on a point which I teal make
oat—sad confess I can't—l must apologies to the bow ;
and so I kayo this unfortunate clergyman. (Hear, beer.)
So far I have frankly stated, in strong language, bat he lan-
gases which I don't think stronger MAO the opinion I have
expressed justifies me In using—my view of the proposal of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Perhaps he may Inset me
to-eight, as he met me on Friday night, by telling
me that her Msjesty's miniseses—th use his own
pbresr, were not so fortunate to find favour with me. Per-
haps he may go now so far sa to say, what he did my when
be eodeavoured to catch • cheer—which the geemusity and
good was of those behind him did not tail to sapOy—his
may tell me that my sense of duty had better remain immut-
able. Now, sir, I must coulees that there bombes. three great
quesdoneduring this session on which I have found it my duty
—though I sever tend the torm—to criticise the measures of
her Majesty's goverment. Of those, two are Involved in the
question before the house, the third is the Retorts Bill. If
the right bon. gentleman asks me why I abide* sad eon-
demos those Tosereares, I will tell him that I do so because—
if I may use • eider phrase, for which the right has. ass-
bof Ice Books thee rebuked the house, end said It was not
Eaglide, but which, I think is, nevertheless, • very entree-'
live phreas—bsomma I am really a great enemy of
elms. (Cheers.) When the goverment: pot off their Hr
tom Bill for • whole month, when there was so business
beim the house, I coesidered that it was • sham; but I
woad venture to say to the right hoe. geallessea (Mr Glad.
None) that probably I. his estimation a may persons his
own position cm that beech is the greatest sham of &li—
(lised laughter and ciesers)—votiag es he did for, the Redirect!
Bill of a previous governmeat, with ea eleqnsat protest

Ist:its laving end belag now the keystone
pee too fer,'
adminefeition, one of whose principal measure.
le • hill that gees • good den farther. (Cheers)
the think the same denriptiou miles to your Wst. Wank
same description applies to your trtaty This I meat
my, that whilst I have meted my opinion in the fade of es
formidable an unagoelet se the Chumellor of the Exchequer
hisseelf, I have never exceeded the hound. of fair parliament•-
vy (" Oh, ob," and inners from the oppesitins.)
Well, then, I think the empteesion of the Chancel or of the Ex-
chequer was not called for when be said that I might have left
my mom of duty behind. (Cheers.) I give the Chancellor of
the Exchequer one ward of advice. (A laugh, and chum.)
I say that lie is the last man in the home who should diverge
front political gusto= to finite a war of personalise, be-
came in the four quarters of the British empire there lime
not • politician so vulnerable ale my right hon. friend. (Cries
of " Oh, oh," and opposition chews.) No men owes so
math as he does to the forbearance of the House of Commons
—no man ham ben iso largely indebted me be has been to the
generous indulgence of the noose. (" Oh, oh," and cheers )
No out ever insulted him by asking him the question whe-
ther the epithet "inscrutable" was applicable to political
ementr,cines of his. I will treat my tight ho-
nourable friend with more generosity —(" oh, oh,"
ani &theis)—l will set him an example of moderation,
which it would have been better that he should have set me.
(" Oh, oh," and cheers.) No one knows better than he due
—no one has bad occasion to feel mom acutely than he has—
tiest in our hot war of political strifes if any man: ventures
to remove himself from opposing cliques and political factions,
he is quite sure to be assailed with petty attacks and imputa-
tions which no man of any menu end character regards, but
which are very different when they come from one in the
elevated position of a minister of the crown. (Cheers.) The
character of this house, the independence of every
one in it la threatened when a minister of the crown
condescends to make himself the mouth-pesos of the
personalities which he has need. Sir, I will not purses that
point further— (divide)—but I nue the Chancellor of the
Exchetner will not again deviate from the course he has
hitherto usually pursued. Now, sir, I wish to direct the
attention of the house—(the hon, gentleman was interrupted
by frequent cries of "Divide ")coming to the political
question before it—to the fact that we ars now placed under
an immediate and pressing necessity. The question we are
now discussing, as I have already said, is pregnant with
principles of a moat dangerous kind. What I wish to
warn the house against is this—that the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer is inviting the confidence
and support of the country to the course he is
by declaring that he is following in the footsteps of
Sir 11. Pei But I am ready to maintain that the Chan-
cellor of the Exehequer is sbandonitig the principles of that
great statesman in tavourof those of rand bolder school.
(Opposition cheers.) With the exception of that "little I
chum" which he bas described—which ha himself made,
and which be ban filled up, them is not one single feature of
his Biennial scheme which been the lionenenta of the policy
of Sir R. Peel. (" Oh," end cheers.) The great and guiding '
principle of fin Peel's policy we, to carry the country
through future years by establishing Its fiances upon a new,
an intelligible, and a sound basis. But the proposal of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer is to secure the
comby against future deficiencies by clouding sad embar-
rassing the future, by anticipating the revenue of future
years, by creating a deficit which he knows must be met by
repeated and increased taxation, which will again be the pre-
cursor of farther deficiescies and embarrassments.Lpon
this question of the income tax Sir R. Peel so operated as to
imilitate the discontinuance of the income tax. But the
Chancellor of the Exchequer places impedimenta in the way
of its diecontinuanoe by dimmithing the revenue. Sir
R. Peel, by a system of reduction of duties, in-
creased consumption, and thereby augmented the m-
enu. But we once more trample upon that principle--
we abolish a permanent source of revenue, and substitute a
war tax. Sir E. Peel denounced ones legialatioe. His
budgets were loons to the operative elegem The peeress'
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer enriches the manu-
facturing cleans at the expense of the rest of the community.
Sir It. Peel, again, moat cautiously approached the ap-
portionment of direct and indirect taxation, in order that he
might arrive at correct result.. But the Chancellor of the
Exchequer Avoids the discussion of that principle ; he evades
it ; whilst he denies um the opportuaity of ice future con-
sideration. (Opposition cheers.) Above all this Sir IL Peel
admeniebed the country and his disciples, that they should
Immure the income tax a • great national reserve, in order
that foreign nations should know that we had for an
emergency a great explosive resource. (Chasm.) The in-
cense tax with him wee to be a mighty anise for war, and a
guarantee for peace, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer
prostituted our great national source of strength Jot agitating
clam interests; the paper makers tarn is to-day, the sugar
dealers soranible for it to-morrow, end the lionised dealers
will try to coerce him at a future time, till
year after yaw the prise having been once violated and
broken down when our hour of trial comes whether it be from
commercial pressers or from war, we shall wake up from a
seam of oar magnificent folly to that reality which history
wane us is the precursor of national revolution. (" Hear,
hear" and loud cheers, in the midst of which the tight hon.
gentleman resumed his seat)

The OHANCIILLOR of the BICH/QUER—Sir, at
say hoar of the evening, especially at the late hour we have
new reached, I should mdenvour to be very short in my
reply to that pert of the speech of the right hon. 'endo-
ws& which refers to as. (Hear, hear.) Until to-night I
was really not aware that I bed by say unhappy or camel
arpremion give hint nay occasion for that terrific onslaught
which we have beard. I wee not aware that any
explosion had fallen from me ea Friday night
which could have weemded the hangs of the right hon. gen-
tleman', and las only say, apart from what has mooned
this 'venlig, that lam extremely sorry foe it. ("Hear,
hear," and cheers.) The right he. gentleman is not quite
right, I think. la @apposing that he haalways been remark-
able for the particularity of his language. (Hear, hear.) It
is fresh on my mind that on Friday night last the right hon.
gentleman aid with a blandness of manner foe which be is
well known that Sir R. Peel had conducted his finances in
the 'pint of • statesman, while the present Chancellor of the
Exchequer had commenced as • spendthrift and flanked as a
footpad. (Loud cheers.) In the contrast which the
right honourable gentleman has drawn to-night between
the policy of Sir Robert Peel and the present govern-
meat I do not think he has enmeshed in productog •
sharper antithesis than on that occasion. (Hear, hear.) I
pass from those considerations to the question which the
house has to decide, sad here I milts agree with the right
boo. gentleman that he has not minced the matter, for he has
drawn such • pieta» which it maid he perfectly wonderful
to have trees any other source than his own. (Hear, hear.)
The right hot., gentleman has twined • letter which the
Chancellor of the Exchequer wrote to the hon. member for
Birmingham, bat it moat ham been observed bow much
more the right bon. gentleman dwelt upon what be tom
pined than upon the facts. (Hem, hear.) It is necessary
for me to ask why the right hon. gentleman has Imagined
that • series of errors must follow the alterations
of this year f—end be pursued his remarks in dt•
forma to the incemeing cheers of a very small
but intrepid band on the opproits side of the bowie,
which led the right hon. gentleman to • climax when he
deliberately asserted that the budget of the present year
would be in accordance with • general system of coetiaca-
ton. (Loud cheers.) There may be hers and there in this
home • few hon. members who partake of that opinion, but
I own I think it will be a mimeo( time to reply to such ob-
esreatimes, and I prefer leaviag them to the sentiments of
out of doors, and to les them stand refuted by what
will venter* to cell their own absurdity. (Loud cheers.)
The Chastener of the Exchequer proceeded to obeeeve that he
prehmed not to understand the vote Hr. Hemmen intended
to give; whether ha considered that the government had
made • bad choice in the tax they proposed to remit; other-
wise his mooch, he raid, tended only to bewilder. He ad-
mitted that the remission of the war duties on tee and sugar
would afford great relief, but the decision of the govern-
ment In fay..ur of the paper duty was founded upon
• careful examination of conflicting claims. The re-
peal of the paper duty was recommended by peculiar
end remarkable maiden'.; and the article with which
it dealt was one of large consumption by the poorer else,
and which was taxed to the extent of 30 and 40 ter
ant., while it was • large element of consumption in bode
and manufacture. He produced • specimen of corrugated
paper, which was admirably adapted t.r roofing home, ; and
pointed out this as one of the many uses to which paper
might be and would be pat but for the excise duty.- He
showed that the policy of Sir R. Peel was to repeal sad not
merely to reduce duties, and excise ditties In oarticular. He
pointed out that this wart peculiarly the moment at
which the pledge of the home for the repeal of
this duty might be fulfilled. The increase in the
amount of duty was caused by the increase In trades
to which paper, In the shape of wrappere, was • con-
wideratile accessory. Having entered into • statement of the
Waiter the duty on boom, newepapers, and literature, which
seelieled in the monopoly of printers, and which, among other
Wags, exoluded women from that calling, he vindicated the
Hoard of Inland &vector from the imputation cut upon
them that they had issued • report made to coder, and stated
that that opinion had greatly influenced him in his proposal
to meal the duty. He dealt with the subject of the de-
mand for labour which the propped change would cause;
he argued the question whether the remlasion of indirect
taxation should or should not be carried further, and urged
that the only question now was to what object the remission
of a million should be applied, and he contended that the
sees for the paper duty was the strongest. (Hear, hear.)
I believed (continued the right honourable gentlemen) that
the house will adopt the proposal of the government, and I
have the mote assurance of that from the fact that I have
not been able to understand from the speakers on the
other aide what duties they would propose to repeal.
My hoe. friend the member for theastastsaire did not quite
see the iooonvenisoos of introducing the treaty as be intro-
duoed it in this debate. He founded his appeal on the lowest
class of payers of income tax ; bat it is not a question se to
them, no one proposes to add • peony to their income tax—
the addition to it is • penny ; but let cow remind the hones
thet the question se to what exemption from income tax
shall be allowed still remotes to he dealt with. The boa.
member for Lancashire has given police of • motios for the
partial exemption of all Incomes up to 6001. I don't think
that such a choirs will be adopted by the house, bemuse
it would be beyond precedent, and not only inconvenient but
dangerous. But the emetics what amonat of exemption
shall be given to persons of very small romans is a question
estirely open, and with rapes to which latitude may be
allowed to the home In perfect conformity with precedent
derived from the history of the Mouse tax la former years ;
hat let me ask my bee. Mend if It is • his test of the lamina
tax to take only its Madame on the very lowest elms who
pay it P (Hear. hoar.) The income tax is • graving
tax la its laablooso to that body of persons, tad