The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-06 00:00:00

4

with 'be Frail& otimrsorst. t' Wrath I.
~..►.nt-
swt at Nailing by iv Lime. troops, is thit west or
hmend Gantaldfc ssaissly occur) usg thst illy as be did
Palermo.

Lord J. It L'SSELL—Ie tinnier to the beaa and gallant
gentleman, I mar say UM, after the intelligens, of the oat.
rages which accompanied the hoeibanknent el Palermo, the
question was taken late emeideration what her Majesty's
government could do in ceder to prcVCOL similar atrocities
tali* place at Melia mil Naples. But with respect to
the question put by the hon. sad gallant member, there are
two oonsideratams which mast guide the government on
the subject. The one is, that it would be • direct inter.
leisure with the civil and internal discord of another
country. (Hear, bear.) And even supposing that objec.
lino, un pnociple, to be got over, it would not only be di/B.
cell but impossible to give such precise and definite
orders to the commanding offmn of her Majesty's
rowels of war as to enable them to distinguish between that
which would be the legitimate defence of the royal troops
against the attack of • mob or as insurrection and a wanton
and atrocious damnation al the city and the lives of its
inhabilanta. Such befog ti' mare we refrained alt
front giving any olden Mach would enable our navrot
minden to act by ham MAIM at Naples or at Messina ; bat
we del make strong remonetrancee to the gee ermueot of the
ingdreeif,Nuules spinet as mewl at Melanie or Naples of
the scenes which took place at Palermo. (Hear,
bear.) lam happy to say, however, that the amounts 1
have remived from her Majoity's minister at Naples laid
me to think there is no prospect at prevent of such a bom-
bardment taking place. He informs me that he does
not thick it at all probable, and he hops that
es insurrection whatever will occur at Napkin. The
hmeoorable and pliant gentleman is aware that greet
shanges have taken place in the government of Naples
--(laughter)--that the constitution of 1(48 is proclaimed
and an elect:on is to take place for the representative' of
the meembly which will meet in September; and the
Neapolitans will thus he enabled to decide slue shall be
their owe future political condition. (Hear, hear.) I may
ascetics that the rumours which have from time to time
lees circulated respecting the conduct of her Majesty's
fames end ministers abroad have often been very erroneous.
Then was a report WON time ago, the house will remember,
that the fort of Csatellamsre had been occupied by the
British admiral during the evacuation of Palermo by the
Neapolitan troops. That report pre great uneasiness in
some foreign quarters, and it was supposed that her Ma-
jesty's forces were about to take possession of Sicily. There
a not the least four:latent whatever for that report.
(Hear, hear.) There was another report which occastoned
male impure in another place, to the effect that her
Majesty's minister at Naples lied taken • part in Maiming
that the two vessels winch bad bees captured by the Nea-
politan cruisers should be given up by the Neapolitan go-
vernment Now. I have • despatch from her Majesty's
minister at Naples, in which he mays be had just heard of
the report, and that there is not the on:alert foundation
for it. (Hear, hear.) H. further mys that he had oo
right to take such a mane, arid that if be had, he had no
intention d ezercisiog sock right. He also adds that the
Neapolitan government had spontaneously given up thane
Imo* sod that they were at liberty to Muni to
t :cora.

TAX BILLS AND THE PRWILEOES OP BOTH
HOLIAES OF PARLIAMENT.

Lord FERMOY said be believed it MO the wish of
a peat many members of the house who agreed
with the honourable member for Finsbury upon the
sudsiest of the rejection of the Paper Duties Repeal
Ul by the Lords, that he should nut pros the mo-
tion of which he bed given notice aa an amendment upon
the resolutions which were to be moved by the noble lord
at the bend of the government.. (Hear, hear.) Ile there.
Peen asked him whether he would be good enough not to
prom his motion as an amendment to those resolutions, re-
serving to himself the right to submit it to the house as •
enh.tantive motion. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said be was extremely sorry to find
that the notice which be had gives was inconvenient to a
prat portion of what was called the liberal party. (Cheers
how the opposition.) He was in hopes that the motion
would none the liberal party from the impotency of the
'volutions of the noble lord —(renewed opposition chora)—
bed he was told that would not be the case; h• should be
worry to interfere with the unanimity which appeared to
oast an the subject. (Laughter.) Of course, if be re-
wired so support from the liberal party, it would he so
or hie proposing the moti in. (Continued cheers from the
apportiou benches.) Therefore he had no alternative bat
to withdraw it, although he believed that thereby he would '
ilimppoist the people at large.
lord PALMERSTON then rose, amidst loud cheers, to
wove the following r volutions:

I. That the right of groat* side and supplies to the
Orows is io the Commoos aloes, aa an 'merited part
their eimaidotion ; and the linutatima of all such grants,
as to the matter, niumer, measure, anal time, is only io
them

"2. That although the Leda have exercised the power
of merging bills of several descriptions relating to laza.
hiss by negativing the whole, yet the exercise of that
power by them has not been frequent, and is justly
secardsd by this bolos with peculiar jealoisey, as
atoning the right of the Commons to grant the supplies
and to provide the way. and means for the service of the
"dr.

" A. That to guard for the future against an undue caw.
Mee of that power he the Lords, and to secure to the Com-
mas their rightful control over taxation snd lupply, this
home hes le its owe hands the power so to :repose sad
remit team and to frame bills of supply, that the right of
the Oonunoss as to the matter, onanner, measure, sad time
may be maintained inviolate."

The noble lord observed that the question at issue in-
volved considerations of the utmost constitutional Import-
maces and that the occasion was one which would take •
proweineet rank among our parliamentary proceedings. He
we • slight historical sketch of the growth of the British
Each' branch powered it. separate independent
sethosity, co-operating in harmonious action. The Com-
mons' Home, however. claimed particular privileged in
regard to certain suhjecte ; they claimed the right of deter-
mining matte's connected with the taxatidu of the people.
But, though the Commons denied to the other house
the right of on or amending such measures,
tee lords had claimed the power to reject. :o the
prevent cane the bill rejected by the Louis lea a measure
for the repeal of taxation, and there were preemleuts upon
which they reoted their claim to reject .surd There
Tea, indeed, atilistinctiou between three pro:tarn:a nod the
mono caw, in which the tax repealed wise part of • .1:m-
-imed hneneial scheme for the year, and the reretion of the
hell altered Red deranged the whole bearing of the arrange-
ment. At the Milne time, looking broadly et the matter,
be did not think that, if the House of Commons bad deter-
wised that • certain amount of taxation shstild lie repealed,
and bad sent up a hill to the other boyar, the Lord. would,
edging from what had happened ou other tomatoes,
ve rejected it. If lie believed that they had
intended to take the tint stop in a ficonenl scheme,
it would become that house to take the mean, is
their power to defeat an.l frustrate that intrut.ou ; but till
the house haul proof of such an iatentiou, they should not,
11111lOCI driven to it, enter into • ceadliet with the House of
Janis. Had the lords DO encouragement to tan, the course
they hall adopted? la tits Home of Commons the ee axed
reading of the raper Date Repeal Bill was carried by a tna-
jority of 5:4; and if the bill had gone up to the othei louse
hacked by that majority, ho believed the lords would hove
placed it. But duels; the interval between the secooo And
third reeding., the opaion of the common. awesome' to
have undergone • etomiderabb alteration ; the uniority el
LI Lad dwaudled to Y. The lords could nut overlook this
elhange. and they might think it wise to give the con.mons
Mao for recrosicktration. The noble loni tontirsel—
Many may think the last resolution is tat vague—(a laugh)—
that it Mee not point out the methods by which we might
enforce ou r privileges (oronr constatutioual rights 1 wllar.y.and
I will not by our privilege*, for that is • narrower tepees
non), if they lance hem invuled. There are many ways,
which line loan who knows the proceedirps and powers of
thii house will at once have present to his ontel, and in
which, on se •6 a case arising, we shall be alik, first by rev.
suasion. tint be ariement, and ultimately by the :ler 'in
of our own anilionty, to prevent such an erarreachmeet on
the constitutional functions of this house. And if se _h •
coulee such a mad course, were to Le attempted
as that, it i. not by • violent resolution LvJ on
the taLls of this house —it is not by a
m aril with the Lodi ilaughter) —it is not he im-
p▪
utt nt word. laid on the table and voted by th.. house that
con.:itotioaal right. would have to he viniluated ; it
would u s by a Aloe, which we should not be slow to discover
the mole of taltinj. I bated not that opiniou of the power
this h• el of., and of pu'o!ic opinion, which w.0.1el Lack it
al such a cow, to believe that we ehould Le reduced to the
coolitiou m eleell the Conevons of 1671 reprewuted them-
selves to he when they mid that their right to grant aids
to the mown ova. "the only poor thing which they had"
for the accelitaere of the sovereigu. The 11. sse of COM.
MOM as now in • very ditto :est poeition trot:. that .n whi..it it was at other peresti.4 our history. .and if there be myth'', which may perhaps he taken ..• s. tiled riptides with rented to the relative
that
r ..1 the ilitfireut irettehee nf the legislator,it is that the i...rse of things,
asspeed of representation, the diftuoion of knowledge,
pease the Pe",s ODal the effect .4 public
"ask..
thatbee res been. that this house is italv • -
t
its political power, iesteol of &Raleigh-
jaij opect ; An.l therefore, .0 far fa, in }..hdlg any apprebanwor that the Lords weild Le able 'to
the leptimate funreoa. of this house, I eni perfectly
essviwd that if this hou.• pursue., • teady,* titian:oh
and • emeistent course if it abstains from au . thing Via,
1.47 war, opposition or sufereesiou ;if it as
tia
lin ems, maintains its own rigsts, sad aletwo that it Me
and MB exercise. if iftelisiei, the limas of
the andthe_thwi,iserbar respected— w•
_Oa Twit not lane
utk
w=ure direspertf.:l to tie boaee to eater-
sfq sprneesske —that whenever our real feeetions
ebeeld be delfherately invaded, we shout be nimbi* to
meineein them in the taco at the avatar,, and with the
appeeeel end aeoetioe of the rides. (Cheer.) 1 say this