The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-12 00:00:00

ThE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, JULY 12, 1860.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONB.—WernimAy, .Itris 11.

iCuLtinued from vasterdiree Exprus.

CENSUS (ENGLAND) BILL
Mr. B. OSBORNE said that whatever ripinioa boa. mew-
hers might entertain of the speech (by Sir G. Lewis)
which they hail just heard, they must at all events admit
its impartiality. (Laughter.) The right honourable
geutleimui had happily reflected upon every party in the
hours., and had delivered an address so full of inconsistency
that, no one could be surprised at the conclusion which had
been erne,d at. There was, however. one part of the argu-
ment of the right hon. gentleman which showed more senti-
ment nal feeling than reason. The right hon. gentleman
had pointed out that it was hi wish to assimilate the rya-
tell I of this country to the continental system—(hear, bear)
• but why the right boo. gentleman should go to the con-
tinent for his example. he (Mr. Osborne) was at a for to
imagine. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman had ad-
duced as instances France and Prussia, but they all knew
that in France the state subsidised all forms of religion,
chile in Prussia two forms were aubsidiaed, camel), the
Mimeo catholics soil the protestant,. He could not,
lemover, see the slightest analogy between Prussia
and France and this country. (Hear, hear.) If
the state in this country subsidised all forma of religion
they woub I have a right to put the question, but that was
out done, sod • great proportion of the people of this
country repudiated the juriodieelon of the government in
sp, rated matters. (Hear, hear.) The right host gentle-
man ha.l.lrawn his illustrations from continental states, but
why hail he not adduced America whose institutions.
laannen. and customs, were more cougenial with those of
England than were those of any other country. Yet in the
report of the last .linerican census it was stated that any
iaqutry into the religious persuasions of the population
could not ho' con.t.ietoil some], and it ought to be, se it had
berm, reversed. (Hear, hear.) Then it would appear that
se far from their brethren in America taking the OSUMI as
they did iu France and Prussia, they took it ae it mistakes in
this country in I:451. They evidently went epos the basis
that no man bail a right to inquire into the religious
opinions of another, and it was upon that ground that be
(M, I aihorne) resisted this meat mischievous proposition of
the government. He wished that the right hon. gentlemen
had *ravel the question not upon the ground of sentiment
bet upon principle, and still more that he had not travelled
berried the subject in order to impugn the statistics of
Veil. It in happened that when in 1814, the present
Prime Minister, who was then Home Secretary, was
questiooed as to how far the census could he relied upon,
has answer was that he had no reason to doubt the accuracy
1 the returns. The right hon. gentleman the prompt
Home Se rrotary now turned round and said those returns
were act to be relied on.

Sir O. C. LEWIS said he did not dispute the accuracy
of the returns, but he disputed the accuracy of the method
by which they were taken. (Hear.)
Mr. tkiIICHISE continued—lf the right hoe. gentleman
slid out dispute the accuracy of the returns why was he not
sow satisfied with them! (Hew, hear.) He (Mr. Osborne)
objected to this clause in the ceases bill ; in the lust place,
es the ground that it was an infringement of rehgious
liberty ; soil, secondly, that it would prove a fiction in re.
fereoce to statistical facto. (Hear, hear.) He also thought
the state had no to inquire into the religious opinions
of men whom they did not pay or assist in any way, sod
who repudiated their spiritual jurisdiction. Lastly, he
opposed the clause because he did not think it was either
wre or politic in any government to arouse such sectarian
differeoces &mon the population es would be the result of
the passing of this clause in the form in which it DOW
stoot (Hear, hear I
Mr. HENLEY was of opinion that the house ought to
Mein some assurance at the bands of the government after
the sailowareateat which had been made, that "religious
prehesione" would be omitted from the bill, that no other
=megweedd he taken ender the bill for the purpose of in-
atizspeeies of inquiry into the rustler in the mode
wath erimed the renew M act of I.
dr G. C. WIS said there were general words in the
est d 1861 which stabled the Hume Secretary to add per
ianths' to those already enumerated, and to which a
pessitT was aamated. The dissenter.' places of worship and
whwatioa were 'Maimed under that supplementary power,
hat shoes weeds would he omitted from the peewit bill
altogether, aad the Secretary of State would have no power
to inquire into particular whirls were not mentioned m the
act.

Mr. HENLEY said he was slid to receive that mairance
from the right hon. gentleman. He (Mr. Henley) had
never besot any of his religiose' Mends express an opinion
that they desired such a maims to be taken. He believed
that churchmen did not care whether it was
taken or not, but they thought that if any
ramous census were taken this was the proper
mode in which to take it. (Hear, hear.) No doubt
the nocesonformist body would be pleased with the plum
which the right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary had
given them to swallow, and as it had taken thirty years to
remove the prejudices of the Mambo:ins and Hinder of
India they should suppose, arguing from onaloxy, that it
would take the same time to remove the scruples of the eon.
cooformista, if soy such there remained. (Laughter.) He
hoped that aa the government had shown consideration for
the religious wielda of one section of the community they
would exhibit the ems consideration for the feelings of a
large lioiy of the people when the question of education
was brieight before the house. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. M A RSH said that the necessity which existed fora
reinrieus ,ensue in Australia iliil not prevail in this cattily.
In Australia the suns voted for religious purposes wee di-
vided amongst the different creeds in proportion to their
"lumbers ; but that was not the case at home, where a reli-
gious census would secure no other object than the gratiLai.
Nun of an idle curiosity ; in addition to which such statistics
wo aid Is• of no practical value, except to enable sonic statis-
to,l member of the British Association to form an erroneous
conclusion as to the spread of the established church.
Lord R. 4 `WI L said he was not surprised at the course
elvish the right hon. baronet the Home Secretary had
taken in reference to the notion. He del not think the
nght hon. gentleman could have done otherwise, but if •
religious resins could Dot be secured, the discussion had
at all events completely upset the false returns of liffil, and
the false inferences drawn front them. They sow knew
that it was churchmen who wanted facts, and that the dis-
sembles did not. (" Heir, bear," and " no.") He re-
patted that that was the result of the discussion. became
as, when they asked a lady her age, and she decked to
give it, they knew what to infer from the denial ; so in
like manner they knew what to think when the dissenters
refused to have a religious census taken of their numbers.
Itr. E. JAMES observed that the speech of the Home
Secretary was more the speech of a philosopher than of a
Matesenan. He declined to awn' the question of sentiment
nn principle, and was full of aneerings sail cynical obeerva-
tioas upon the objections of religious bodies to the
census, though he had not the courage to oppose them. It
appeared as though the right hon. gentleman were willing
to wound but yet afraid to strike—(hear, hear)—and he
was certain that if the proposition had come from the COG-
servativea, capital would have been endeavoured to be
made out of the cry of religions liberty. Every person
weak rejoice that the obnoxious clause was withdrawn. not-
withstanding that it bad been withdrawn in a most ungra-
ciom manner.

;.tTE objected to the opinion which had
been freely expressed in the debate, that the leslature had
nothing to do with religion. That had never been true in
this country, and he hoped it never would be. The example
ad the United States had been referred to, but in the United
Stake there was no state church, nor did the present &midi-
ism of that country invite the imitation of England. He be-
lieved the returns of 1851 to be entirely lanai:lona, and he
thought the dissenting Laxly hod acted very arbitrarily ie
denying their assent to more accurate intim:mania being
*guided.

Su Y Y. PETO said it was • scarab of deep regret that
the Home Secretary had not added to his other acquireinen LA
a knowledge of the history of noocooformity, as be wouhl
not then have made an. of some of the expressions which
be made use of in the course of his six ech. Reference had
Imes made to perzerution on account of religious pit,
femme in Austria. He had had 9111710 experleoce of the
t:ontinent, and in Austria, which had • concord:A, he found
that no on. was allowed to have a protestant servaat. It
was assumed sometimes in that house that the Roman ca-
tholic, alone were persecutors ; but he would refer to a
protertaot cocustry in the north of Flume whiA he had
Melted, having some business there in teferecce to some
public wurka, and there he found that thirteen remora had
been sentenced to imprisonment, and to subsist
on bread and water, simply bemuse they hail
a like religious profession to his own. A peat
,heal had been said shout the census of ISM. It
Ind I,en said that it was incurred. He believed the is-
k..ktutation would show that it was taken with great Amu.
co'r. Hut if it were deemed offensive by the church peaty
t loch eh account should be taken of the number if perms.
attending church on a given day, be said as • dissenter be
hid but the smallest illesirethat such an account should be
talon. Ile thought that if en account we-e taken of the
'tumbler of pigeon( worship, with the number of persons
they would accommodate. thenuniber of seats occupied, and
the aclasAs connected with them, or anything of that kind
oa wheb they emit' hare reliance, that su-.1 information
wonld toe most minable. And this was all that was re-
= He was morerely glad that this queetiou had boas
• but he was somy that it had lean totaled
to the spirit in which, it hnd been by the tlecretary of State Imo. 6. C. Lewis). bemuse he tat ilea
sonoonformiet that he had bass 'moulted by the
character id the remarks made by the right t
with regard to aosensforettare la pasta/ He %red the
eight hon. barium that them was so elms Is the co trY
mess
devoted', loyal Solder mowers 11101, &axiom r the readli
p
freedom than the seacoeformista,
nos had thes
Lod at the head of the adimietss,..ti,nm
porters than they were. And as a general suppultercif%
snide lord, permit Imo today to bin, that he was sorry in gov.rnmeist ehould pass • patuincia insult to the
conformists by imagining that they would p.nnit • 'ma-
ssaa
0. kind to he quietly inserted athe hill. He ttreahl
not
coati.his roesorke, Meaner-it u government had
thought 6t to withdraw the obnoxious clause. hui ha
thought that churchmeo and dissenter. had a hieher du,
tbo guar/Wog as to thee relative emote," • .„1
that
when torpairy was made in the coatifiry as t,, the. variatw
'sem d worship they mead Ind that over and Wpm,
there was a low outlying p,p4:.L.,b, who
ware ssßher Aurchmag see dissenters, srel imteeil
imam= and dissenters pearrelliag as to which wa, the
moat saapertast Ludy, let them makers tu k them
rusilerteg *harp to the feed of Christ, sod irt then. du this

la a Christian feeling, that seiller wail de sey.theff In the
sprit of antagernsm, hut rather led then ad Sensitise for
the benefit of the entire commetnity. (alkaara.)
Mr. CROSSLEY said there was such a 1112 g 'edam the
right thing, and doing it with a good pees ; but he could
not ecogritulate the Home Secretary oe doing tee right
thing with a good grace. The right hon. baronet said they
had a right to inquire what was a man's religions erofes-
non, but they had DO right to inquire bow he carried tt out.
He (Mr. Criendev) thoeijht if they had the right to inquire
the profroion, Cher had a right to see whether it were car-
ried out. He did not am why they should object to the
same course being pursued that was pursued in 1851.
Sir J. TRELAM NY objected to persons being required
to state their religious opinions, on the ground that die.
abilities might follow. It was desirable that information
of this kind should be obtained for the purpose of logis.
, !Attie°, and he did not see why they should not obtain it in
the same manner as in America, where instructions were
' given to the marshal, that on
.taking the census be should,
under the head of religion, insert a separate account of
churches and other places of worship, the number of sit.
tinge, and the number of the place would accommo-
date. In this way all the information that was essential
was obtained, without mildew persons what wu their
religious professioe.
Mr. M. MILNES said he rose for the purpose of ex.
pressing a hope that, notwithstanding the over-learned, but
wisps not over-lively, speech of his right hon. friend
(Sir G. C. Lewis), the great dissenting bodies would rightly
understand the spirit in which these words were proposed
and the spirit in which they were withdrawn. He trusted
that no large body of persons in the country would feel that
the words were inserted on any other ground than that of
public utility. Surely it could not be said that the neces-
sity and desire for this information were new when the
whole of our educational system was founded on a denomi-
national Livia, and when grants for education depended
entirely on the fact of there being large dissenting bodies
who proclaimed themselves as such, and as such received
government assistance. He could not sympathime with the
feeling that would iodate a man to dechne to state his
religious profession, because he believed England to be
the most religious country in the world, and religions pro-
fession was perfectly consistent with the spirit of this coun-
try. Allusion had been made to the time when religious
opinion carried with it civil disability, but it was
seen io other times that the English people were
the first to conic forward in the great cause of
religious freedom, and he looked upon it rather
as a proof of the decline of that feeling when there was au
unwillingness on the part of any body of men to state their
religious pmfession. At the same time he thought that in
the face of this opposition government had done wisely in
withdrawing the clause.
Mr. MONSELL sincerely trusted that as regarded Ire-
land, government would adopt the cause which they had
intended to adept as regarded England. The difficulty which
existed in England with regard to a religious census did not
exist in frees& and he for one thought it important that
they ahead have correct religious statistics. What was the
nal waft of this opposition . it was from a conviction,
ameeimilem so doubt, that the floating mass ci the
week' be put down as belonging to the church of
In Ireland every body had a religion of some
sad nobody WAS 'Awned in the least to say what his
ala
rages was. He entreated her Majesty's government,
therefore, not to apply the same principle to Ireland which
they were going to apply to England.
Mr. CARDWELL was extremely happy to say that since
the intention of the government with regard to Ireland was
amounted, namely, that they intended to omit from the
=tbill the clime in the last which prohibited the
ia religious census in Ireland, no objection from say
perm led reached the Irish government. On the contrary,
se ter es ids alensation went, it was the general desire of
the onaley that the census should be taken, and whoa they
awes le the Irish bill he should consider whether they
shaded imam a clause for better enabling that to be done.
Ifir J. PiLICINOTON could not refrain from offering his
enegrelnilitlene to her Majesty's govenniieut on the addi-
-I=l =I they had that day 01 the unanimity and sub-
whisk prevailed in the riuka of the ministry. •
few due sego they had the tbaucellor of the Exchequer
turning into open ridicule the stamens et the
Prime Minister. This day at the esasaassessmall et
their proceedings they had the Secretary of Mate far
India presenting a petition couched in thestrougest
against this census clause, and ending in a very
manner by declaring in emphatic terms his cordial coneur-
rence in that condemnation ; that was to say, his cooeur-
rence in the ..oridemnation of a bill, which, ea a member at
the cabinet, he must have sanctioned, and which the Secre-
tary for the Horne Department hail made a strong speech in
favour of. With regard to the omission of these words he
must express his deep regret that so they were approaching
the time when a census was to be ta ken, they were not to ham
a census of religious profession. He thought that the pro-
testant dissenters of England, and their representatives in
the house, would deeply regret the course they had taken
in this matter. He had watched their proceedings with
astonishment, and he had heard no good reason for the
course they had taken. He entirely concur rd in what fell
from the Secretary of State for the Home Department. lie
was driven to believe that the diameters were afraid of the
result ; lie could see no other rational mode of amounting
for their conduct. They were afraid they would be aide to
appear not so strong as they were made to appear at the last
census. He thought that unfairnese wee dose to the church
of England by the last census. A return was made of the
attendance at 14.00.) places of worship in connexion with
the church of England, and 20,01.10 connected with dies
seaters, but his belief was, that there were many more than
14,000 places of worship connected with the church et Bas-
ked. He believed there were 11,000 or 12,000 parities,
and they all knew how parishes were divided and sub-
divided into districts. The number of benefices in we-
nexion with the church of England he believed to be between
18,000 and 19,000, and therefore if the census only gave a
result from 14,000 places, it was a manifest understatement.
Every one would agree that a census ought to be rel. ,iable
but the last taken was not reliable, and therefore be hops)
that her Majesty's government would not take another in
the same way. He then came to the question whether he
should divide the house in support of the clause, and he bed
no hesitation in saying that it would lie injudicious to de as.
He W 39 not disposed to blame government for the mune
they hail take* to-day.
Lord PA LM EItSTON thought it could not be fairly and
that what his right hon. friend (SirG. C. Lewis) had said
in the course of this debate was with an intention to end
an insult on the nonconformist body. Any expressions of
hie right hon. friend which might be twisted in that wrQ
were argureatative illustrations. He entirely ooegotaei
with his right hon. friend, and be might say that he air
sawearred a the latter portion of the sech of his hen.
Need the somber fur Leeds, in thinking that the,
was a Tahoe sal an usefulness in a religious census. His
host friend showed that it was a deniable thing
to show the gradual progress of religious opinion. (Haul
He did pot agree with him as to the mode by which the
information was to be obtained, but he merely concurred
with M.l right hon. friend (Sir G. C. Lewis) in the ex-
pediency of putting in the census of this year the religious
profession of each individual. It never occurred to his
mind that that was an inquiry which any person would ob-
ject to. He quite denied that it was an inquiry into the
grounds and character of their religious opinions.
Asking • person what denomination be belonged to
was simply asking him to what d•nomination he belonged,
where he wu brought up, where he was
and where be intended to be buried. (A married,
He must say that he concurred with his right hon, fried
that there was not a shadow of reason in the objections
urged against the bill. (Hear, hear.) Nothing could be
more f.dlacious than the mode of enumeration adopted in
1451, and he should therefore be very sorry to see it adopted
in the present instance. He regretted that the objection to
the bill should have been so strongly. taken up by the body
of noncoeformista, but under the circumstances he quits
concurred that it was desirable the house should agree to
the amendment of his hon. friend the member for Leeds,
but he must nevertheless, with all respect to the noncon-
formists, state his opinicia that the expression of their
feelings was not borne out by any reason. (Hear, hen-.)
The committee had deferred to the feelings of the noncom-
foredst., although it could not defer to their reasons.
Mr. Ys-HITENIDE would like to know what authority the
bon. member for Leeds had fur asserting that the church
of Christ ought not to be subject to the control of the
state. (Mr. Haunts : "In matters of religion.") Then, the
dissenters took upon themselves to decide what was a
matter of religion. The hon. member hail no authority
for saying that the church objected to a census in the
shape now propose.(. One important fact in respect to the
question raised by the hon. member for Leeds was that
one-third of the married women in England were married in
churches belonging to the establiahment ; soil another im-
portant fact was that 18 per cent. of the children of this
country were being educated in schools of the established
church. but the third and most important fact was, that
the dissenters were afraid of a religious census. (Laughter
and cheers)
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Mr. CARDWELL maid that in the present year theybad
followed, in regard to the census in Ireland, the rule
adopted ie 1860, in consequence of the facility which the
presence of the constabulary afforded for obtaining correct
returns.

Lord J. MANNERS said it had been stated that no-
body in bylawd objected to the census in Ireland. He should
like to know whether there were any protestant dissenters in
Ireland. (Hear, hear.) If that were so, how came it that
they did nut share in the conscientious scruples to which
allnioe bed been made with regard to a religious census?
Mr. BAINM said that it was impossible for him to an.
rwer the question, as he ma n.k acquainted with the dia.
seining bud, in Ireland.
Mr. DAWSON supported the bill.
Sir C. DOUGLAS approved of the course taken by the
/overeat. (Loud cries of " Divide.")
The amendment was then agrees:
Mr. CHILDERS lowed the insertion of the word "
anion." _

Sir 17 C., LIWIS objected to the amendment.
SirJ. TULAWNY moved at an amendment that a

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account ahogid be iiren of all places in which education
W. imperial to Tooth.
sir i C. LEIWN said that the information in question
1114 Areil.hr tarnished by other and more authentic means.
tie nekt therefore olq.xt to the amendment.
Altera tow wo: ds tram Mr. ADDERLEY in support of
the ameadawat,
Lord J. MANNERithou;ht, that as there was not to be
a reliion. cenois, there ought not to he an oluoitional one.
The areerulment was then Peptised, and clause 4 wan
Waal to.
On clew* ti.
Mr. CAIRO moved the insertion, after the word

tho words "with particulars u to the
amadisiii user having windows In each dwelling-house."
No selditkael trouble would be given to the enumeraton by
this inquiry.
Sir G. C. LEWIS was not aware that any houses in this
country had dark rooms. (laughter.) He thought the
Pr =t W quite
"ved, and neceerryihe rest of the bill
was agreed to.
Mr. CAIRD said he would withdraw his motion to insert
• dense for obtaining agricultural statistics. At the same
time, he must state that the census (which would
cost 150,0001.) would not be worth the expense it would
entail.
Mr. BAINES moved the following clause :—" The
Secretary of State shall, so far ss is practicable, cause in-
quiry to be made and returns to be obtained of all places
of worship, schools, and educational establishments, similar
to those obtained in the census of 1851, under the heads of
' Public Worship' and • Education.'"
The clause was segatived without a division.
Mr. BLACKBURN hoped that the religious clause which
had bees withdrawn from the English bill would be intro-
duced into the Scotch.
Mr. CAIRD said that such a clause would be considered
very objecticaable by the dissenters in that country.
Sir G. LEWIS observed the Lord-Advocate would very
shortly being in the bill, and would then state what course
the government would pursue with regard to the point in
question.
The house then resumed.
CENSUS (IRELAND) RILL
The house went into committee on this WE.
In clause 3, the words "Bth of April" were substituted
for the " let of March."
Mr. MONSELL moved to insert the words " religious
profession."
Mr. HADraLD observed that the words did not appear
in the bill of 1850.

PThe
riioticnirasaipned to.
In answer to Mr. Mums,
Mr. CARDWELL stated that the question am to educa-
tion would be the same as in the scheduled 1851.
On clause 6,
Mr. BUTT moved to strike out the works " shall be di-
rected by the said instructions or." He ol4setal to give
the Irish government the vague and inquintoriel powers
which would be conferred upon it by these weds.
The words were omitted.
The rest of the bill waa then weed to.
CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT (1850
AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill was withdrawn.

ICETEOitaiitLGICAL MANAGEMENT ACT
AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILL.
Sir J. SHELLEY having moved the committal of this
bill,
Mr. MILLER moved as an amendment that it be com-
mitted that day three months. No corporate body in the
country possessed the power which was proposed to
be given by the me sure, that namely of raising mousy by
rates for the purpose of promoting measures before parlia-
ment. It also proposed to give certain parties power to im-
pose rotes which other people would have to pay.
Sir J. SHELLEY briefly defended the bill, the object of
which he said was really to carry out the principle of local
self-government. All the vestries in London (except one)
had petitioned in its favour, and its only opponents were
gas companies. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. CLAY rid that if the vestries were in favour of it
they were very negligent of their own interests. (Cheers.)
Mr. HENLEY, as a ratepayer of London, looked upon
the bill with the greatest alarm ; but the right hon. gentle-
man was interrupted by the erwakra at a quarter before six,
and the debate stood adjourned.

TURNPIKE AVIV CONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill was read a mooed time.

COPYHOLD AND INC 1i i 10031MISSIONB.R8, &c.,
BILL.

This bin WM Ned a maid time.
TURNPIKE TRUSTS ARRANGEMENTS BILL.
This bill 11S8 reads second thus.
HIGHWAY RATER ACT OON'TINITANCE BILL.
This bill was mid a second ti s.
The holm rose at six o'clock.

THE LORDS AND THIS PAPER DUTY.

Yesterday a conference of gentlemen from all
=of the country was held at the King's Arras Hotel,
Westminster, "to consider what further
action ma- desirable to obtain a full andoomplete revo-
cation of the late unconstitutional decision of the House of

Lords." Mr. W. HiteIMAMS presided in the abeenos of
Mr. White, who was prevented from attending by his en-
gagements in connexion with the representation of Brighton.
Amongst those present were Alderman itylande and
Alderman Cartwright, of Warrington ; Alderman Towle, of
Oxford ; Mx. J. Knight, of Ipswich ; Councillor Scott, of
Rochdale ; Mr. B. Armitage, of Manchester; the Rev. Mr.
Griffiths, of Derby ; Mows. S. Cooke and W. W. Miller, of
Dudley ; Mr. W. Chadwick, of Doncaster • Mr. W. Green,
of Horsham • Mr. T. Dunn, of Reigate ; Doncaster;
A. Braider',
Ulverstons, Mr. D. Homewood, of Benison ; Captain Sal-
.mot F.gbata ; Mr. E. Clarks, of Welthamidow ; Mr. J.
T Mr. C. K. Rawlins, of
)177k..* of
P. Edottenhamwards,; el Bath ; Lord TroynhainUniatr.
G. H. Whidley, M.P., Mr. Leathern, 11. P., Mr.
W. Lawson, M.P.; Messrs. P. A. Taylor, E. C.
Whitehurst, J. Heywood, G. Thompson, W. Adams,
G. Gordon, S. Laces, R. Y. Macnamara, T. B. Bertolseei,
Lieut.-Colonel Towashend Wilson, H. G. Oolehrooke, J. G.
Crawford, C. Renard, W. Leverson, and others.
Letters of apology for absence, but expressing sympathy
with the objects of the meeting, were reed from Mr. O.
Robertson, of Liverpool, and numerous other gentlemen
from different part of the country; and resolutions
by the Hondorth Reform Committee, the Rochdale 11=1-
tutional Defence Committee, and the St. Michael's Reform
Assodatica ef Manchester, in rapport of the objects of the
meeting, were also announced.
The HAMMAN drew attention to the importance of the
question which they were assembled to consider, observing
that even the enormity of a tax upon knowledge was lost sight
of in the defence of the constitutional right of the House
of Commons and in the opposition of the people to the
principle of taxation without representation. It was not
only tyranny, but downright plunder on the most gigantic
oak, that the Lords were attempting, and he believed that
there had been collusion between the Premier and come of
the members of the Upper House to throw out the Paper
Duty Bill.
Alderman Rniceris proposed the test resolution, to the
effect —" That the House of Commons having affirmed, by
reaohdimi, that it rest with itself to impose or repeal
taxes, in the opinion of this meeting that house would be
degraded by giving assent to the base policy of inaction sug-
gested by Lord Prdnienton—apolicytendingto the surrender
of the dearest righta of the people, and one which ought to
be denounced as an act of treason against the constitution."
He said that the resolutions of Lord Palmerston were in-
tended as a mere sham ; but while they must condemn the
conduct of the Premier in reference to this question, they
must admire the course which the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer bad taken. They might, from the words of the right
hon. gentleman, indulge the hope that he would take sides
with the great liberal party in the House of Commons in
such • way as to obtain a reversal of the decision to which
the Lords had come. Let Mr. Glarlikee, Mr. Gibson, Mr.
Bright, and others of the independent members resolve upon
taking a distinct course of action, even at the risk of the
overthrow of the government, and they would sound a key-
note which would at least obtain a very large minority in
the House of Commons, and be • basis of very effective
action by the people throughout the country. At all emote
it weal have the effect of punishing the arch traitor in
this matter. (Cheers.)
Mr. Councillor SCOTT, of Rochdale, in seconding the re-
solution, said it had been under discussion in the towu from
which he came what the use of the House of Peers was at
all ; and certainly the course their lordships had taken in
regard to the paper duty bad done that branch of the legis-
lature a great deal of injury in public estimation.
The resolution wee carried unanimously.
Alderman TowLg moved, "That no government is de-
serving the support of the liberal party Chet is not prepared
to vindicate the privileges of the Commons, and to secure
the rights of the people; and that it is the duty of every
liberal member of parliament to urge upon the government
to act up to the sprit of its own resolutions, and, if de-
feated, to dissolve pariameat sod appeal at once to the
country." He stated that he, as • paper nianutacturer, was
quite ready to refuse payment of duty with a view to test
its legality.
The Rev. W. Garrrrrns, of Derby, seconded the resolu-
tion, which was also carried.
Mr. Warfarin= offered to give his services as an attor-
ney gratuitously to any manufacturer who refused to pay
the duty.
Lordtrrintsii, Mr. HOLYOAKE, and others subsequently
addressed the meeting, and the following resolutions were
also adopted:
" That this meeting tenders its thanks to the Right Hoe.
W. E. Gladstone for his noble defence of the constitutional
rights of the House of Common, and relies with confidence
on his promise to do everything that is within his power to
secure those rights unimpaired."
"That this meeting calls upon every independent mem-
ber of the House of Commons to use any means that its
forms allow to prevent the passing of supplies, or bills for
the appropriation of supply, until the aggvession of the
Lords has been practically defeated, and their illegal vote
rescinded."
l)irectious were given to the executive committee to
arrange an interview with Mr. Gladstone on the subject,
when the right hon. gentleman's health would permit, and
the customary vote of thanks having been accorded to the
chairman, the meeting separated.

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MITITY COURTS.--JuLT 11.
Motors Vice-Chanoellor Sir John Stuart.)

Mb was a motion on behalf of the plaintiff, who is the
peblieher of the Post-office Directory of Birmingham,
with Woroestershire, Warwickshire, and Staffordshire,
welting to restrain the defendant from publishing a
book called " The History, Topography, and Directory of
Worcestershire," on the ground that it was a piracy of the
plaintifrs work.
Mr. Bacon, Q.C., and Mr. Tripp appeared in support of
the motion.
The

On the application of Mr. C. Hall,
who appeared for the defendant., ordered the motion to
stand over to the next seal, the defendant undertaking not
to tell his work in the meantime.

This was a motion to restrain the defendants from selling
any cotton sewing thread under the name of glace, or
patent glace thread, or using any labels or trade marks with
such worth thereon. The plaintiff claimed the words
"glace' thread" or "patent glath thread" by virtue of a
patent obtained in 1853, and he alleged that in July,
1855, he Slit discovered that the defendants had been luting
the trade marks claimed by him. The bill was only Wed
la Jane lest.
Mr. Maims, Q.C. Mr. Elmsley, Q.C., and Mr. W. Morris
railin support of the motion ; and Mr. Bacon, q.c.,
Q.C., and Mr. Hetherington for the defendants.
The Vice-Chancellor said that as the plaintiff, had so long
known that the defendants were infringing his patents, and
had so long delayed applying to the court, he must establish
his right at law, and ordered the motion to stand over,
with liberty for the plaintiff to bring an action at law.
(Before Vice-Chancellor Wood.)
BE THE EAGLES MWYN MINING COMPANY.

This was a motion on behalf of the official liquidator of
this company that Mr. James Beare Alexander be com-
mitted to the Queen's Prison, or that he be ordered to ap-
pear before the Vice-Chancellor and be sworn and examined,
or before the chief clerk, at hie own expense, or that he
Awed committed in default.

The motion was made under the following circum.
stances :—ln November, 1857, the affairs of the company
were wound up under an order. A Mr. Whitehead, who
did not question his liability as shareholder, was
**ad upon the list of contributories for 260 shares,
A call being made, and Mr. Whitehead not responding, be
was in Februan last arrested at the suit of the official
liquidator. Mr. Whitehead thereupon petitioned the In-
solvent Court for his discharge. The official liquidator,
haying inspected the insolvent's schedule, came to the con-
clusion that Mr. Whitehead was not in a position in 1858
to purchase the shares for value, and that a bender of 130
shares by Mr. Alexander in that year was a plan devised to
amble Alexander to escape liability. Whitehead being ex-
amined declined giving any information respecting it, and
was ultimately discharged from custody. Mr. Alexander
being summoned for his attendance before the chief clerk to
be examined, he attended on the 23rd April but de-
clined answering any of the questions put to him as to the
circumstances attending the transfer in question.
Mr. Rodwell, who appeared for Mr. Alexander, opposed
the motion, and argued that it was irregular.
The Vice-Chancellor said that there must be a formal cer-
tificate of default before any order to commit could be made.
His Honour thought that the list had not been " wholly set-
tied,'" so as to determine the power of the court to put upon
the list any other person. The order would be for Mr. Alexan-
der to attend and answer the questions put to him, but as
the fint part of the motion had failed Mr. Alexander should
not pay any costa
Mr. Alexander's examination was fixed for Thursday, 26th
instant, before the Vice-Chancellor in chambers.

COURT OF BANKRUPTCY.-JULY 11.
(Before Mr. Commiesioner Holroyd.)

This was a sitting for the choice of assignees under the
bankruptcy of Robert Barker, of Maldon, boot and shoe
manufacturer.
The bankruptcy took place on the 20th June, on the
petition of Yr. William John Barrow, of Aldermanbury,
warehouseman. The bankrupt has absconded, and a war-
rant has been Lamed for his apprehension. The debts are
upwards of 1,00 W., due to wholesale houses in the leather
trade, and there are no assets. The choice of assignees was
adjourned to the examination meeting, which is fixed for
the 15th of August, when, if bankrupt does not surrender,
he will be outlawed.

This wax a dividend meeting under the bankruptcy, of
John Bagzhaw, formerly M.P. for Harwich, and also three.
tor of the Eastern Counties and other railway and public
winZaiLinklater, for the assignees. asked that the dividend
meeting should be adjourned. Mr. Bagshaw was connected
with the Lake Bathurst Gold Mining Company, which was
now being wound up under an order made by the Court of
Chancery.
The meeting was then adjourned sine die.
II W. P. HAMMOND.

This was also a dividend meeting. The bankrupt was a
ship owner, of Bush-lane, Cannon-street.
Mr. Linklater asked that the dividend meeting should be
adjourned. He had ineffectually endeavoured to arrange
with 30 or 40 part owners in vessels. The adjustment of
the question would affect claims to the extent of 25,0001.
The debts and liabilities were 70,0001. to 80,0001., and as
there was only 3,500/. in hand, he proposed the adjourn-
ment. . .

7.44;adjourarneut took place accordingly.
(Before Mr. Gommitaiouer Goulburn.)
El ALLEN.

This was an application for certificate by John Allen, of
Broadway, Deptford, and Grey Eagle-street, Spitalfields,
boot and shoe manufacturer. .

Mr. Mote, for the anaig;ees•• , opposed on the ground that
there had been an absence of proper book-keeping, dealing
in accommodation bills, opening fresh accounts when in a
state of insolvency, reckless trading, and giving afraudulent
preference to creditors when in an insolvent state.
After hearing Mr. Bagley for the bankrupt,
The Commissioner acquitted the bankrupt of fraud, but
said he had sinned deeply in other respects. He suspended
the certificate (third den) for 18 months from the date of
the petition, but granted protection from arrest

execution, bad been put into her house upon
bills which had been accepted in her name, but which were
forgeries ; but she said she settled them m order to avoid
the comempleness which she knew must have smelted to
her son if there bad been any exposure. Several other
witnesses were examined on behalf of the defendant, and
they expressed a positive belief that the acceptances to the
bills is question were not her handwriting.
Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in summing up, said it was
quite clear that there must be wicked and deliberate per-
jury on one side or the other, and the jury would have to
say on which side that perjury bail been committed. He
then celled the attention of the jury to all the facts, and
placed the different document* in their hands.
The jury, atter a short deliberation, returned • verdict
for the defendant.

MIDLAND ClRCUlT.—NosnumproN, JvLy 11.
The commission wea opened here this afternoon by Mr.
Justice Wigbtman. The calendar is a light one, as the
quarter sessions were held only a week ago. It contains the
names of fourteen prisoners, of whom one is charged with
munler, one with arson, One with night poaching, one with
burglary, three with highway robbery, and the rest with
minor offences. There is also a remanet from the Spring
Assize, in which a gentleman is charged with bribery at the
last general election. The cause list is not yet issued, but
as far as can be ascertained there is no civil business, and
the satire here will be over on Friday morning.

OXFORD CIRCUIT.—ABINGIxoN, JULY 11.
(Before Mr. Justice Hill.)

Henry JoseyA Smith, 26, a corn factor, of very respect.
able appearance, was indicted for having fraudulently con-
ertal to his own use eight quarter' of barley (be being
bailee thereof), the property of William Baker, of
Wtrightotr. Wilts, in the month of March last.

Mr7H. James was counsel for the prosecution ; Mr. J. 0.
Griffita appeared for the defence.
The prisoner was found Guilty.
Mr. Justice Hill said it was of the highest importance
that confidence should be maintained in the transactions of
this great commercial country, and he regretted seeing a
person of such apparent respectability in a position of such
degradation. His lordship then sentenced the prisoner to
eight months' hard labour.
The prisoner, who evinced great anxiety during the trial,
and wept bitterly on the verdict being given against him,
was removed from the dock.

The sssiree terminated ;bout noon, and both the learned
fudges afterwards rode on horseback into arionl, to open the
commission in that city.

NORTHERN CIRCIIIT.—Yoss, JULY 11.
ND!' Pal" Bar" Martin.)

There being no civil cans ready for trial, his lordship pro-
needed to rod Mr. Baron Wilde in dispceing of the crimi-
nal business.

Joseph Coeburn, 33, Benjamin Clarkson, 41, John Routh,
25, and Richard Ridgirdl, 35, were charged with shooting
at John Asquith, with intent to murder him or do him
some grievous bodily harm, at Featherstone, on the sth of
April last
Mr. Seymour and Mr. Searle were for the prosecution ;
the pr son's had no counsel.
The prosecutor is a labouring man in the service of
his uncle, Mr. Charles Wrightman, at Featherstone.
On the night of the sth of April but, he was returning
home from Normantou, when be saw the four pri-
soners loitering about near to his uncle's premises.
Being corivine, by their appearance and movements, that
they had no honest object in view, the prosecutor secreted
himself, in order to watch their proceedings Whilst
screened from observation the prosecutor saw the prisoners
enter the fold-yard. Two of them placed a ladder against
the pigeon-cote, and subsequently they stole a number of
pigeons. The prosecutor then entered the house and made
an alarm, when Mr. Wrightman and other persons on the
premises were instantly in readiness for the purpose of
pursuing the prisoners, who were then in the act of effect-
ing their escape. The prosecutor was armed with a gun
loaded with powder only, and he soon came within fifteen
or twenty yards of the prisoners. He called upon them to
atop, and threatened that if they did not comply he would
fire upon them. The prisoners turned round, and Clark-
son, who had a gun charged with powder and shot, fired
the contents at the tor,who was consequently wounded
in the mouth, shot also entered other parts of his per-
non. The prosecutor was disabled, and the prisoners made
good their retreat, leaving behind them a hag containing 60
pigeons. The prosecutor was under surgical treatment for
some time, being severely injured.
The prisoner' were further charged with stealing the
pigeons, to which three of them pleaded guilty. Routh
denied that he was guilty, but he was not tried upon this
charge.
I The jury found all the prisoners Guilty of shooting with
intent to do grievous bodily harm. Previous convictions
were proved against Cowburn, Routh, and Ridgwell.
His lordship sentenced the whole of the prisoners to 15
' years' penal servitude.
The entry of Muses in the first list for the North and
Bard Ridings dosed yesterday. There are 17 causes entered.
No cause of particular interest was tried today.