The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-17 00:00:00

then when Lord Stanley's letter nlllO out, he
wee not &Aimed to my be pre up that society. A board
was appointed comitime of See protestant. sad two catholic,
to superintend the educetiou of 6,000,000 Rams esthabce
es against 2,000,000 protestants,and their first eel wee to ap-
point* preabyterien clergyivao as their head teacher. AE that
din not open his eyes, for he would rather be deeded then
not to trust—hear)--but if the waited system wee right
originally, why do net the gesimgepipsi keit
to it. They will tot do ea, -orthe_pp
of the estahlished church. which bl=s4
greatest hien that e'er wee e
• country. (Hear, hear.) DM the Oak
the pesple of Below' now, eAse sndlered coder pima
law., were going to give up the for which they bed
so struggled and same. (Hear.)
Mr. BRADY had mem heard with more pain • epee&
than that which he had listened to from the AVantisy-
tkuer.l for Ireland, in w he had not teetered is.
• ..b taw ..1 the hat amber for Duos:arson to this
•votetto ~f education.
• Mr. C. FORTkNeIIE expememi empties to find the
national s, Otildwatio• sttuskedby Beam c•Abolie
moil reeniuded the beim met JIM 7111/11
when a vote was carried bumph* ',bash wee eawsYmwd
t,,,ralanger the *tem, t revermi of tisk vote ma sr
ed with the greatest Mishibias byd sheer b Ire aid.
The present system hail worked kV ism )sons with the
utruisit sue see. and instead of drift le ese M rise may
with, he wished to see it ezimied as wifely ee peemilis
Mr. J. P. HENS MY amid he wenid rather
date goverment grants aiteputher, and adept miM
voluntary which was the pled* eeleil ups by
show loci= be based by die Meleetsie and
tolerant system of the sad their metro it
WIL. called • Wheel eyellem, bet he &tiered lb to be end.
oatmeal. and he beamed that the tore it me illeemesi the
more it would be condemned, end that it mail oitiostoly
be overturned.

Loot FERMOY dcl not object to the andelblwant of
activate on the voluntary principle ie haMi, hat warn
opposed to the Mats contributing to say otbw, amp the
mixed system of education. He warn glad that the peers.
mast had spoken nut ea maafelny ou %be ambling ; and he
denied that the Homan catholic laity wen 11111111111111•11111i1
improving the viows entertained by the Me ostalser fee
Inimarvan.
Mr. XOSSELL observed that what be had old le the
speech iiinied by the Ateeney4neesel he end mew—
'lamely, that the satins al system Isle the grestoet blosieg
which parliament had ever bestowal spa Ireland ; hid Ito
had gnae oe to Mate that ellen the system amid he
Nought beck to its original inienliken it would be lows
oiler to emintein it for any lempr (Hear, bear.)
He could not nadentand how the t hoe. gentlemen,
after his defemee of Mr. mold have gone to
make game champs what the Semen catholic bishops.
Mr. DIARY bad as.., anis say Amp against thew
He had merely weed their beta% awl had pet en those lib
ten a censtrmetiom whoa he doled the fight has. go ado-
mar to Wawa (Hew, bear.)
Mr. YO,' ELL observed that the right boa. gaidleneemb
idea of making charge, was different frees hie own ; few the
right has geetlenian icoinuated that the Menge had at.
tempted to force the government, on He eisnleig lan anis
with • very small majority, to adopt their vim ; and he
bad goo. on to bestow upon the right rev. piehlie
eoaduct the severest vituperation. (Flaw hew) The
rtOt honourable gentleman had adopted • policy
wcb had never till now lino pursued by the bleb poem
assist; for his prideesmon bad invariably sought to amailiate
the protestant clergy sod attract them to the side of the
board. He (Yr. Howell) did not think that the right hon.
gentleman's scheme for the revision of the cornmissioaers'
books would meet the exigencies of the came. If the right
lion. gentleman proposed to
olic in hring out a series of booka
which should be as cath tome - the preset books
were protestant, he would be really doing • good service.
Mr. CARDWELL said that what he had said was that if
the board thought St to add to their list books conceived in
the spirit in which Arrhhiahop Murray had drawn up his
eduoitiocal works, it would be open to them to adopt inch
books,

Mr: MONSELL conceived that the right hon. gentle.
man's views coincided with hisown, for he did not of course
contemplate the publication of any works of a controversial
character. He submitted, however. that the concession+
mentioned by the right hon. gentleman did not go far
enough. Let the right hon. gentleman make up his mind—
let him either adopt one system sad carry it out in its late
grity, or let him abandon it altogether and adopt the
other. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. DEASY denied in the most emphatic manner that be
had vituperated the Irish bishops. It was entirely untrue,
and a grow misrepresentation of what he said. (Hear.)
The O'DONOGHUE observed that those who amid that
the existing system was detrimental to the interests of the
Roman catholic religion were the head of the Roman catholic
church, its bishops, and it. clergy. On the other hand,
they who dosed that it was detrimental to those in-
terests wen the protestant government and those catholic'
who wen reedy to do its bidding.
Mr. V. SCULLY was of opinion that all tomb provided
perlwai.liatzdent for pablie education in Ireland should be so
as to bsaish all just suspicion of proselytism
from the satires! system, and conciliate cordial co-opera.
Sion from clergy mud laity of all religious denomiuetions.
He had intended to move • resolution to this effect, and he
should do it at the proper time. In the meantime he entered
at length into the 'emend subject of Irish education.
Viscount PALMERSTON thought that the argument of
the Attorney-General ought to be conclusive to every
catholic who.wished well to the beet iatireste of his reli-
tm He thought, too, that the right boa. gentleman had
unfairly treated when he with
charged'
ra v'te-
petig the bishops, foe whom be had exprssed the
highest veneration.- He (the noble lord) considered that
the laity ought to be entrusted with the education of lay-
men. He nee, however, to mate that her Majesty's go-
vernment attached so much importance to the mixed sys-
tem, that they did not think it consistent with their duty
to propose anin:ote for education in Ireland on any other
principle. Cheers.) It might be asked, why not
extend the English system to Ireland; but the mecum-
steamm of the two countries were so different that he could
not imagine bow say man could seriously ask such • goet-
tioo. (Hear, hear.) As to the effects of the system, those
who could remember the time the roads of Ireland were
IWed with poor scholars, as they called themeless, beg&
for • few pence to buy them pens, must
that the present wee a great improvement upon that
lamentable state of things. (Hem, hear.) As those who
disliked the mixed system had not thought fit to oppose the
vote, be (the *obis lord) hoped that the committee would
now egeee to the motion before them (Cheers.)
Colonel DICK.9ON amid the speech of the noble lord was
• very extraordinary oar,. The queetioe wee rather what
system would he acceptable to the people of Ireland than
what was *expiable to the noble lord. (Hear, hear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
SPIRIT DUTIES BILL
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EAST INDIA LOAN BILL.
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PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) ACT (l 851)
AM EN DMENT BILL
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