The Express.
London, England, 1856-03-07 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 7, 1858.

IMPERIAL P.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TsuisDAT, Mesca 8.
Tbe Loan CUAXOIII.IOI took bie seat on the woobtek at
lee o'clock.

CHURCH RATES.
The Illshep of EXETER presented several retit'oes
from Devoe and Cornwall against the abilities of elms/
rates without an equivelest. The right rev. prelate said be
should have emaciated Umbel( with laying these fstiuos. ma
the table had it sot been for what bad p ceed elsewhere
wattle twenty-four been. Without lap g himself open to
the charge of irngularity, he, might soy that it appouni,
from the usual coerces of ii110141:41t1011011 such 11114 tell, lb 4
her Majesty's p meat bad jut declared themselves
favourable t t a chinch rate bill which was then befits par-
liament ; the great name assigned fir their (Menge of sw-
ans Woo t last session being the fact of • bill having beet in-
troduced in that house by too Archbishop of Cante•bury,and
read a Ant time, the object of which was to pet al sod to
Marsh rates in ell perishes when ter two years t -
gather the asej wily of the parishioners hod 're-
fused to pay church rates. He bad nothing to remark on the
wisdom of propasieg nab a bill, but be mast protest against
its being cenadentd to express the stele of even the bishop&
of the Church of England, fa more of the Cbsich
He had sever mat with a inch, clergyman, or even seinen
churchless, soh, had impressed bin u probed in of that
bill, and all, without nee ption, with whom he bad con-
vened oa the subject, had spoken it with 'umbel:sent,
considering the quarter from which it enuaatied. It w. •
stated that the Archbishop of Canterbury coasultel with
lof the bishops before laying It oaths table. He (the
Bohm, of Rooter) was in the isometry at the time, and re-
ceived no information that nab a bill was going to be
broapht forward, sad little did to mopes' that it would
eßerwards be diet ind that it had received the auc-
tion of the bishop*. He meat, therefore, protest
wheat that bill beieg put &tweed pith the
authority which bad been ascribed to it is the other
haus. It was remarkable that no little confidence had its
season in the support of the 'harsh, that whoa convocation
assembled et the beginning of the present isessioa, they made
no mestion of it. To a committee of the Lower House of
Convocation was referred the duty of preparing some mea-
sure for settling the sushi ?wash° of church rate., sad the
members of that CJIIIIMII4IO were notoriously adverse to the
bill which wee laid on their lordships' table. He
might be told that the Archbishop of Caaterbary
was the highest foncloaary of Coavocation ; but If
the most reverend prelate wen present he would
tell their lordship, that in this matter hie voice wee ao morn
than that of the bumbleet carats in h‘s dimes". As re
garded the measure introduced in imerher plain, he (the
Eliot opi f Raster) heartily toped that their lordships valet
have co opportunity of stating their objectless to it, but if
they should have one he trusted that at all antis such a bill
would not paw
Lnd POSTMAN presented a aunt= at pet!tioas against
the abolition of church rates without as equivalent.

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of kosseti shook Iwo poem le kips s saki Ms.
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ibilrebeetehlisepakt themissiessiews sal sierkeso, sad
mks kit the markanset of ths
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to MOW say sittpeet isinereiss, or entail Off teltgless weal*
to whisk his or Ws ports or ruirdlaas OM es seraleadosa
peewit sPs&
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teen leo ie.M be reekiell to Mull eartifiress bad-yearly of
the attesisse el sash AMISS owl meg paw= of school, and to
pay foe web folereettia
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prises. by dt.. ey seheatibee. by of
by eveedoc..../aoh,
aced other methods. to the loolluettua of young wear
mese and Mess yule SI area.

Lord J. Russell, in useving the above resolutions, en-
tered into much detail on the one relating to religiose in-
' ttruction. H.l own suggestion, he observed, was based spat
a comorom.se. Respecting the cut of a more econtlete
educational system, Lord J. Runell computed that thstric-
lion was yelps red to 3,600,000 children, and would involve
an expenditure of about 3,200,0001. But this sum, he
added, Ismail be distributed over • wide area, and be col- •
lected trots numerous eirareee, comptialeg subscriptions,
endowments, school paces, national grants, and local rat..,
and would thus be rendered comptta.ively light in its
incidencs. He corac'sded by saying : These are the
reeolutione on whieb I found the proposals as this
great subject which I shall make to tt e h Awe. Whether
the resolutions sre grieved or not, I believe they are at all
sweets celcolatel to retch the whole latent of the use. I
think that 1 ought not to have attempted lora If any fusel
can do it better, let him do it; but I believe that to the I
t resent sate of the werld and the state of tt e country, so
one ought to attempt less than a oomplets education of the
people. (Hear, hear.) I have heard much of den-
pries cleans; but I believe there is no c'ass more der
serous than teat which acquire. a little reading end a
little knowledge without any instruction la religion
or any knowledge of the inatitutioaa of
the country. I believe that if parliament was to
provide by law for the tedecotioo of the yeses,
those very classes might b. come the support of ell
oar inatitutioas, corracticg them where th y are defective,
examining them with • jealous and swp cious eye lest
abuses should exist in them, but not taping cif from their
i•iyalty to or despising the inditut'one of their forefathers.
I ought to say that to melt plan could be carried out
without • cassiderable increase of expenditure. I dad es
looking to • diens returns, and eapeci Ily to • work of Sir
John Kaye Bbuttlewoeth, to whom, end to his brother, Mr.
Kaye, we owe very ratable iaformatios-1 Sad by their
Teti rt that 18. a-year le ths calculated spleens' of each
child is atteodsnes at the school. already established. Sir
James Kaye Shutt/swarth says that 16.. cab is the espies*
taking away the era of the house is which the schoolmaster
live.. If eighteen shillitip a year ie ths evens* of lath
child, you could set eductte the 3,600,000 children of
whom I have spoken for a lase sum than 3,240,0001. a
year. But that sum might be contributed la various
ways—by subscriptions, by. echo,l-pe.ee, s y charitable.
do:setion, by endowments, and by rates. It ta not• large
en. es env pared with the sum given by foreign eouatties
for this object, or se compared with the greataess of the
object in view. I have now stated what I (blab is the beet
Flee for a ileum of general eiscatiaa. If a better can he
adopted let it be adtpted, bet I do hope that ere
long the legislature will sadertake to deal with
the subject of national edurnt'o 1, gad not allow religious
differeacies se Umtata' cosaideratiens to ,turd in the way
et raising the r.lieiews. moral, sae entitle .1 altsreeter of
thin ecoantry, end that some sash clan es I have isdicated
will ere long be elected. (" Hear, bear," and closets.)
Mr. HENLEY folly coecorred In many of the observe-
tiers of Lord J. Itisasell, but doubted whether ce wee act
attempting too much. He =see a few comments spa the
scheme embodied is the retielotnna.

Lord R. Oro,vaoor, Mr. Adderley, sad Mr. B. Denim
followed toe memo tome.

Mr. ROEBUCK (who was imperfectly heard) mid the
noble lord had now propounded a scheme of national oda
intim. It was his (Mr. Roebuck's) fate, 23 yews ago, to
prop and a scheme with the same °Nutt. Hewes then wry
your g in public life, buoyed up with the sanguine spirit of
youth. Esperiewee, ales, bed taught him the very great
mistake he then made in supp ales that encase would
attend his efforts. The noble :otd bad ler greater sap -
rialto and far greater power, bo:h intellectual and plittal,
and bad come to the same task, he ht pod, with greater see-
case; but still he doubted even the nub!' lord's surcees, for
he found he met with the same diffiulty that be (Mr. Roe-
buck) met with. The difficult. was this: at the end of
his ape c's he said be was unable to separate Teligloss
education front national edscatioe and he bitted that any
attempt to to alb morals, unless bared upon Cl ristianity,
was totally knowable, forgetting that there were great
swig:m.B4lTM at the present time that were not Chr:stiaa,
that there were great nations before Christianity was
known, and that the great sea of ancient times knew not
Christianity. He thought that secular eduerion employed
religion in the only way is which it could be beneficially
employed. What was the end or eject of Wu dies ?
Th. end be took to be eo to thabioh the latent ctualaad
moral lama as to make him • good eon, a good father, a
good husbutd, a good man, and a good Mesas. If edam-
, Con did net eeeomplioh this end, it aoomat lisked no good
purpose. To make a man sorely intellectual, and not to
mate him moral, wee to give him the power of doing evil
with much watt, Wilily this he would otherwise pr swat,
and their& re the instrustios of the merely intellestuel,
and sot the moral, was to make a man a At la-
I strongest for evil. There was very LT' dispute
about 'atolls teal eduratioo. Te etruethen the
put of mate, to teach him the but thus of comprehending
eh nature, to teach him the best means of working out • is
own happiness, wee a thing about which there was little
ileitis,. Then he eame to the moral "duettist. It was a
remukable fact that the morel code of every met la this
sultry wee pretty nearly the same. The metal code de
Invaded upon the state of tie civilisation of the cuntry. If
they implored the c'Tilisaeen they imposed the moral
code. Tee moral erode of Christian, of the present day was
as Mfr. rent from the moral code of Mislaid of the chested* I
unsay. as the moral role of England at the present try
was diffe rest from that of Hindeette. As • rat on was
civilleed its moral code improved. He would suppose the
children of a Jew, a Presbyteries, a member of the
cherch of England, aad a Roman estho ic, were all
at the same retool. No., ho wanted to know, if
they were all English children of all meets, whether they
could sot all retirees the same treeing. Well, if that was
the ease the coo al soda of this chanty, wee ceded. cud the
moral code mode the moral man. How did they employ
religion in teachingP Why, sect y the seise in tie
different anew. They all admitted tivit it was •esential to
employ religion is educatioa t r create the morel man ; omen-
dal Is this way, that in proportion as he WAS good err bad he
was 'coked spot with favour or dislevour by the great God
of humanity. That was the religiose aanctioa, sad it was
the motive Chet inducted the costliest. Take these chil-
dren to whom they taught the same moral cede. The Jew
took etre that his children did not work on hie Sabbath,
which was Saturday; the Christ:an felt the same thing
with regard to Ithuseley; the catholic thought it • mortal
as to eat meat on a Friday. All these were tillage
which 'emptied one seed from another, but they had no
beating at all on the great religOns sweeps. There fore,
be said, they c 'old ma • e men relmiouels spirit without mak-
leg him mtholie, protestant, Jew, or unit. r. as. 83 then they
could introduce ',tiptoes teschieg without tire ,dneing fell-
gioas differences. He acknowledged that to teach Eoglish-
men this was a difficult task, and he warned the noble lord
when he add be would introduce the Bible into the schools,
that be would thereby abut out from it every catholic, and
than wake it anything bet • national school. H. would
appose a child hearths a chapter of John read. He said,
"I de not understand it ; ezplaie it to me, master tit w,
low was it tt ho explained ? In • protestant, ca-
tholic, ce an unitarian settee, could it he itsp'sbled
without latrednelag doctrinal polot. t He laid it wee
totally impossible, sad the moment they introduced doe-
ani=blithsy Introduced that which put all es et, stun-
litr• heirs his views of the matter he wee for secular
edesedsa t be was for teaching children all the great morel
dettigians.ead be was f r impieties on them the neeen.ty
of Midas the moral and r, l gioue esteems. He believed
that he th• whole of mankind some education was auto
eery; be believed alto that if they gave an education which
talc its its earrieulus sectarian differences it would
not he • notional oduestios, and therefore be was for what
was veiled secular education.
Sir J. PAKINOTON laid he quite agreed that this was
not the tine to enter into a lengthened dissipation of the
resolutions brought forward by the noble lord, but he weld
ant allow the dimwits to elm, without extends( to the
noble lord hie homey Musks for the able, temperate,
and impressive
emanate in which be bed addressiU
the bows that 'curies ea this subject, which wee
of suck vital happiness" and interest to the tosser,.
The noble lord had exercised • wise diuretics in twisgleg
forward his waysides' is the shape of rewilutiose. Be
himself said last year it was imptssitsthfor any Independent
noshes, without the aid el @Sala pewee and ialtesees. to