The Express.
London, England, 1858-02-12 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY BVINING, FEBRI7ARY 12, 1858.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSR OF LO]

ITS FIB. 11.

Thfr lordships mot of In o'clock.
_ _ PETITIONS PRESENTED.

By the Berl oonapi;iiiiug of the ameni-
ties (4 Oude ; by the Berl of iisernuteoev, hamßrighton,
in lemur of the first gee Worship Bill, and in favour
at Christian mimics, la lathe.

'ART REPOB.II.

The Earl of CARNARVON, who was but indistinctly
lard, roes to put a question to the noble earl who repre-
sented law Majesty's government in that house. At the
weentalement of the Jordon an intimation wee given
is tbs speech from the throne that parliamentary
Tim was one of the questions respecting which
Mir Majesty's government proposed to submit a measure to
pediment. It was now, however, the I Idt of February,
sail no notice had been given of any each bill, no bed there
bem say information ea to its probable scope sad provisions.
The present proepecte with respect to their opportunity ter
dimming so important a measure were by no means thaw-
ing. Government had brought in an Alien Bill, which had
already occupied two nights in mother paws, and had on the
' paper a nodee of a bill for the better government of India,
which would also take up much time, sad require lengthened
diammion. Under the moat favourable drametamies there
would now be Madly time to do jostles to a nessoare so ha-
portant as nee at ysellimaary mama, matilmaellaus be 111
Wedged he relthig upon the sable earl to give the bowsaw
definite informatka on the subject.
Earl ORANVILLE, who was but imperfectly audible,
was oodiwsfood M my that the government fully Intended to
awry out the intimation given to nee Majesty's speech from
the than. respecting a measure of parliamentary reform,
bat with regard to the period of its introduction, that must
eithely:deplad upon the state of ,the public business. He
aoull ast at that massed give the noble earl any inform-
lien se to the nature of its provisions.
The Zwl of DERBY said that if government did not
Wag their bill forward they would be open to one of two
vary grave suspicious, either that they did not desire to awry
It at all, or Ow they wished to hurry it through at a time
when parliament had neither Moen nor inclination for its

consideaSon.
THE EAST INDIA COMPANY.—PRESENTATION

OF THE PETITION.

Earl OBEY then premated the petition which the East
India Company bad drawn up in ocesumenor of the deter-
mination of the governess% to introduce • bill to place her
Majairty's last Indian pow wider the direct authority
of Om mown. Berl Grey pee a sketch of the contents of
the petition pangisph by and declared that he
thought its arguments aonewusMs and that the transfer
of authority ocatangdated would be attended with mod
dangerous results, Inasmuch as every step taken by the
government with regard to India would then be con-
sidered • party question, and canvassed and opposed 'cooed-
ingly. In point of fact, the interposition of • body of men
of such high character as the directors between the govern-
ment and the Indian executive was • great benefit, and had
prevented many sets of injustice. The power exercised by
the director was • moral influence, and he contended that ff
what was called the double government were done away
with, that salutary influence would be destroyed. Thin
might be some faults in the existing institution under
which India was administered, bat it was possible to
improve and to modify without destroying. The mutiny to
which this contemplated change was owing was a military
ruing. The population at large had lent it no maistanos,
and thin fact proved more strongly than anything else that
the Bast India Company bad not miagoverned the counbrYi
foe if they had done so the mass of the people would surely
have risen against their rule. The true ours of that
mutiny would probably be found in the fad that a
policy of agerreseion had caused great demands
rathe small body. of British troop,, and at
mnie time augmented beyond its due proportion the native
army, but with this policy of aggression the directors had
nothing whatever to do; it emanated from the Board of
Control, and the East India Company had often protested
against it. On one point only he could not agree with the
petitioner, and that was In their prayer for further inquiry.
Such an investigation, he thought, would have no good
result, and in all probability degenerate into • commission
foe making a charge against the company. Hs thought if
any change were proposed that it should be made at once.
The Duko of ARGYLL, on various grounds, maintained
that if they had made up their minds—and he thought he
saw on all sides indications that such was the can—that the
structure of the Indian government required some change.
it was desirable that the change, whatever it might be, should
be made as opeedily as possible. Let them avoid the evils
which the East India Company dreaded, namely, that of
tasking in the first instance a change of policy. Let them
Int change the system of government, and let them pro-
ceed, with the assistance of • strong, united, and unassailable
government, to deal wisely and considerately with the great
questions that must be nfwd. Maar, hear.)
naiad of ELLENBOROUGH would suggest to heckle-
jesty's government that they should set aside for future mature
coniildiration the details of a general measure for abeam the
relations between the Board of Directors and the army, and
tiontent themselves with a simple measure to provide for
the me of the Queen's name fa the administration of
the government, with a few not very important alt ratites
necessary corollaries to the change. Ile always looked with
meat distrust on say attempt to extemporise oteenttnidcas;
time and God's providence alone made constitutiom; rasa
with solf-enflicient arroganoe thought they could throw off
tionditutions to make happy millions of their fellow-
creatures, but they were baffled by the
_providence which
implied their iallnite smallness. In the Indian government
time was auk mere of practice than of law ; any attempt
Its any out the law woad bring the government to a stand-
MIL Mr. Dundee, when he found his measure would not
wok, adepeed the meets that he found. To make • good
prearnmind they should look to the practice of former times
meek sees than to any endeavour to make • perfect medita-
tes. The Court of Dbectors, in their petition, described •
periled cowed] of India, and then said, " We ourselves are
the great end noble model, such as an able President of the
Board of Control would desire." The council which he
would suggest to aid the President of the Board of Control
or Secretary of State, as the case might be, should be deo-
tire, and might possess an enlarged constituency, and should
contain representatives not only of each presidency, but of
each material branch of administration in each presidency.
But before that was dons he did trust time would be given
for consideration, so that they would be enabled so to
alter and improve the government that it should tend to what
they all desired to found—an eternal empire in India. (Chard.
Lord A BINGER attributed the mutiny of the Be
army principally to the annexation of Oude, and moved
correspondence on that subject, but was reminded by Lord
Granville that, interesting and important as the debate had
been, there was no question before the house.
Lord DERBY remarked upon the discourtesy shown to the
directors in not informing them of the nature of the measure
to be introduced by the government, and deprecated as sui-
cidal any legislation upon the subject until the existing revolt
was suppressed.
The motion was then agreed to, and their lordahipa ad-
journed at half-past 8.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TamessAV, Pa. 11,
The SPILLER took the their at a quarter to 4 edge.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

&ICON]) RZADINOI.—The fo4oMll4lilla wire rend a
almond time, and ordered to be committed :—Ayr and Dal-
wellington Railway; Ballymena., Ballymoney, Coleraine,
and Portrush Junction Railway; Burgboad Harbour; Cale-
donian Railway (Branch to Pert Carlisle Railway); Cale-
donian Railway (Dalmarnock Branch); Clyde Navigation •
Crystal Palace District Om; Edinburgh and Glasgow and
Stirling and Dunfermline Railways; Lancaster and Carlisle
Railway; North British Railway (Consolidation, &c.);
Saffrranos Mbar's'. Port of London; Symington, Biggar,
and Broughton Railway ; Tramore Embankment ; and Water-
ford Goa;
The Royal Mail Steam Packet and European and Aus-
tralian Royal Mail Companies Bill was read a second time,

euteuen the remit of which had been embodied in the form
ci a Treseery niaten, nod the Commandeers or Wand
11111111• bed been iesernoted to frame the mann= kw the Fe.
mat year, Is accordenne with the sew seek of Werke
therein Land down. Bat while the Tummy and the
Board of Inland Revenue led thus dose what
they thought right by this largo body of public
servant. they had witnessed with great pain the
public agitation theme officers had commenced before
the Treasury had come to any decision upon their ap-
plication, by mane of keepers of public-homes and others In
various pans of the country. It was obvions that the disci-
=the public same would be loft if publio-house
end others who traded under the Excise laws were to
be mod as instruments to influence members of parliament
he urging ups the government to Increase the rinks of
any body alpha. servants. The zonate he had spoken el
would be WI en die table with the estimates.
Mr. DIVITT—When

TWILIT& teßerea the odic:Mee would be reedy for
preliatatioa Next week, and the minute would be laid on the
table with than.
MINISTER OF JUSTICE. . - .

Mr. SWART-it'd -aqsierei ti.thSliirst Lord of the
Treasury, whelher nay means wee in contemplation for the
appointment of a Minister of Inatioe , or for the establish-
ment of a 'yenta of public promoution, in aocordanoe with
the recommandMion of a kb a:enmities of the House of
Commons? . . .

Lord PALMERSTON The question of the establish-
ment of mit sa sMat es a at:atm of *dm was one of
tench difilualty. The len& wee the esly modal upon which
such ma
in
must be sada, that of the of
Juries in }curdoles end powers Mom.
petals oak .riwy demeatery principles of the British
.111111110111ttka. It woo thookr, tiro, loopoodbil to boys hem
a rainkter of justioesunit ea wind In suns kedge °mantes,
11111.111 that function's., hod the power od "pawn and rr-
unrrlag justices, end wen entreated with other duties which
could not under our mestitation be delegated to each an
authority. With regard to the appointment of a public
prosecutor, no step Wyse been taken for carrying that ob-
Jen into shat.
MORTALITY IN THE ARMY.

Mr. LAURIE 17ieisdtc7inir;rwgeieitsiO VIM bbe
taken to remedy the peat naortelity of the army, emedally
of the Foot itimerde, the report of the oosandasiomers meetly
presented moving that two-thirds of the deaths wire from
consumption and other dhow@ in consequence al the crowded
state of the barracks at the 'metropolis
Lord PALMIRSTON said that his noble blind at the
heed of the War Department wee quite aware that there were
great defect' in the arrangements both of the barracks and
military baptists, and that improvements might be made in
them which-weeld teed greatly to the benefit of the soldiers
and the patients. He had aooordingly recommended the ap-
pointniest of a commission of inquiry, at the heed of which
was his right has, friend the member for Wilts (Mr. 8.
I Herbert). That commission had made a very valuable report,
which wee well worthy of the consideration of the govern-
ment; but as it had only just been predicated, there had
been no time as yet to take any step' in regard to it. He
could, however, mew* the hon. gentleman that the subject
we far too important to allow the report to pass without
due attention. . . .

Mt. LAURIE—Weak' a copy of the report be laid before
the house; sad if so, when?
Lord PALMBRSTON understood it had sheedy ben
presented, and wee sow ht the bends of the printer.
METROPOLITAN TURNPIKES.
. .

Mr. BYNG sited- If any and ;riii;i-stePsh;at been taken,
acoerdfagto the pledge given last session, to inquire into the
prsotioabilityof removing the turnpike gates and bars round
the metropolis?
Lord PALMERSTON replied that the question was one
of considerable detail, and in which conflicting interests were
involved, and no step had been yet taken upon it.
THE WAR IN CHINA.
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notios that to-morrow (this day),
on the question of the adjournment of the hones nil Monday,
he would ask his noble friend (Lord Palmerston) whether
them would be any objection to lay before the home a copy
of the instruction, given to Lord Elgin on proossdissr
oa his mission to alum, and of the terms proposed to the
Canton Commissioner, which had been refused?
The navy estimates were brought up, and ordered ts be
;tinted.
JOINT-STOCK BANKS.

Mr. HEADLiiiuOvelf;rliTavetaaTni In • bill to abo-
lish the distinct as between joint-stock banks and other joint-
stock companies, with reference to the liability of their part-
ners. He maid he was about to milord to the House of Com-
mons the opporthary of declaring ha opinion whether there
ought to be any dialler between joint-stock banks and
other joint-stook atimpaciaa, and whether the time had not
arrived when the public amid, if they pleased, be allowed to
ecatraet with mugs beaks ape the same terms ss they were
allowed le redraft with other jalatvetock sirociattorui. All
the argument wr in favour of the extension of the principle
of limited liability to those institutions, to which the pnu-
ciple upon which the house had legislated In regard to ordi-
nary joint stock companies applied with equal if not with
greater faros. He bad brought forward this question in 1848,
and he believed that if be had prevailed en the house to adopt
the principle, much of the evil of the crisis of 1857 would have
beau prevented, and he believed that if this bill passed
there could not be a recurrence of such • crisis and such a
diarist in 1868, when such an event would probably comr
for we knew that those commercial crises occurred pe ly
about every to. years • such having been the can in 1849,
in 1837, and be 1826 ; end his object in paving this bill now,
as it was bedee, was to do something to prevent the recur-
MOS of similar hisses end similar crises. He concluded
by moving he leave to big In the bill.
Mr. BLANEY seceded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR at the EXCHEQUER said that it
would be in the ramary al the house that this was the se-
cond tints la this gar erica that this subject had been
brought to thalr rientitut by his hon. and learned friend.
On a previous ocenslea his hen. and learned friend bad not
mound for leave to salmi to a bill, but had moved a Twin-
don, expressing a aeresagairion on the policy of adopting
limited liability in joint banks, and binding the house
to a sort of formula ea tits& ashler. He (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) with ether goriassadelt reluctance to =bait to
the kind of test which as almablered to them on the oil-
jar, and on a division the Mae refused to agree to the mo-
tion. His has. sad Yenned hind had altered de acme,
and did not ask &ohms ire spelicdeclaration at maim,
butleaked to be allsold to berg is bill. He fey
an ma
prepared ton aerie Is that essns—(Mar, bear)—eal sod give
an opportuire • ihir end mare esedinalles the
Lie boa. and Mad Mini en antler.
trZaltatg given Oh mount a in Mien he Ism to bias
tea bill, he void mealy re tier lbws ma awn plats
natant to the case to MIMI& M. asi bead Mai had
sot adverted. He had set stela lasi* Mahe Iris &-
Man wild Mini bodes Mat stave& sal beds el
imase=iimeitelle ihs Amin dile indssen)
ell he bed haw quest. that Km
wed mescalis to the astddiors of the NM* al
ths tutted et dendelim Is • joint sled bat,
118.11148.56.0211.116 smmltank, and i mddM tf°they entered into
that cid Ihe belled liability of shareholders &d-
-allied. ea /Nib ruewith their eyes open ;
+.ibe MOM est an moat mesa why they should not
ha allowed the amiss at deb discretion in that
rimer. But with regard to note-belie tree was • digi-
t:dist& for the notes of count
bed ry Ina%
GaAs.lf • O not • legal
doilei Listig
y discherged that k mem
alanket of • locality was a seam the noels of
tho assay Mk of that neighborhood be took a step
did was massy to map, was win einarri ad dia-
-1 plealing to the men with atm he nes &dos ad he
Ma a. risk at ben ruler woofs meta A loin was,
Ilarekre, practically in • peaks mil to to ebb le wire
sea IMO if they mre aniessito lift di be ad Ma ca
Iho aset ci the Mk Ma did am ambled, sad not
mast ddo who tmsdead Om Then was • clear
tieeagors balms a &pas and a purses
tiro IjiZei the seen d • seem, link. There was
m was
int aw seed= wad sogettral essaihm•Mire, add
wee that seppeini teato banks, wia nesbehle that they avail
Ma~
ef it awash*? PM all the loseadmise has
t lea ebb 62 obtain es Os sus &Veil*
dab east Imp joint eledbliadie ~MI Os Min
= 1:17d, my mach firm the draimana din Maid
of the shareholden. He beiai *AM bill
stook banks In London and large Intreandi bid Wilt
present amount of deposits if the sitandlaillts are MOW
tray to limited liability. If Or ameleid thst lbws me et
the back of the bank a large noggd dmeldbit eases lie-
nifty Iras unlimited, and among Om ranraidliv groms,
was an inducement to depositors to Moen at assay to
that bulk ; it is likely that such • lurk toga Aar Int as
=tithe principle of limited 11& meat tttk as
of its details. He donna I/Whir If
than was wait an atimelon la the law as wee now
some wad mead se add that would not be pro-
rcPed."4 That, however, mbar be used as sea area-
Mini In hem of the mum so It dila mod that
"If its asmation was not very entries Wee be se
II" lee danger." Thom, letraver, wee mien Mice
trend hen be Mead an ths mead rains Di
the bill, end
le odd rely say that he Imi sc shanks le Es berg
dwrL_Meer Meer. hear)
Mr. BAXTER area glad that her Majery's governaint
bed seeded to this =Won, and so given tworamity el ear
Mating this question, which had been the 'aided of seat
Medea.
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