The Express.
London, England, 1860-08-15 00:00:00

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r reduction must cheerfully. He would add that there was
to be no further grant for training school,. They had also
suppressed the capitation great for Scotland, but only on
the ground that the matter was now under discussion before
the ocenssimaioners. I'he opinion of the office was certainly
mot faserebie to the capitetion pant, but it was 'speeded
only peados the publication of the report, and be mustaM that the Scotch people had assented to the arrange-
meet in the handsomest canner. Then with regard to the
pupil teachers, the right hoe. gentleman (Sir J. Pakington)
spoke of the large amount fur pupil Mechem, but the esti-
mate this year was lees than it was in the preceding year.
Lest year it was 290,000 t, and this year it was only
281,000/. The credit of this reductive was due to the
right hoer. gentlemen opposite. There was one point, how-
ever, connected with the pupil teaches, upon which be
wished to make one remark. Whatever beams of them he
mast observe that the public received full value for the
Sc. 9d. a week which warn paid to them for the five years •
from the ages of 13 to 18. They formed a very intelbsat
and industrious body of young people, most corn.
patent to discharge their duties, and their places, he thought,
could not be filled except by an equally, or perhaps more
expensive system. Indeed he felt satisfied that the sound-
lIONS at the core of the whole system of educational grants
lay in the institution of pupil teachers. Whilst tey
Tided effleiently for the chimes which they instructed, it
generally happened that about 76 per cent. of their number
actually became shoolmaders and schoolmistresses.
H Mr. ADFIELD said that, whilst be thought their ebb-
silos were due to the right hors. gentleman for his der-
liens on this subject, he was gratified to find that
this threatening tax upon the country was arrested
Js • ems Suss . m.aAoki& Aire•
of government education ViratZt. very o
=l.Errif noncouformists, excepting, perhaps, the Wes-
ley's; were unanimous against restarts any go-
, vernment pay for educition. They
_prersi- to do their'
work and to pay for it themselves. He thought the effort
was unparalleled in the history of the country by which'
350,000 persons undertook by their voluntary mdeavottn to
edwaate 3,000,000 of children. He said that in no sectarian
spirit. He believed that two-fiftla of the number of cliff-
dren in the country were educated by the voluntary effort'
of the established church, and he gave them equal credit
for their exertions. He thought that every spies of edu-
cation was defective that was not founded on the voluntary'
principle.
The vote was agreed to after much discumion.
The next vote, of 94,9511. for the department of science
and at, was likewise discussed for a considerable time, and
several ineffectual attempts were made to reduce the
amount. _

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Mr. AYRTON proposed to reduce the vote by 20,0001;,
his object being to put an end top.his system of extravagance.
in the matter of science and art. The Kensington museum
might be a very agreeable lounge for the people at the West.
end of London, and no doubt afforded aunmiernent to the
servant maids, and perhaps in the evening to some•
of the working classes, who were counted in
the number of visitors. But these were not
the working classes connected with art for the
promotion of which this institution was said to be
estabhshed. If this institution was kept up up for the west
of Loudon, the east, the north, and the sth would have
au equal title to similar institutions, which Would come=
gr.k4l,
a charge of 80,0001. for institutions of this kind lille ndois
alma, without taking into account Nbmhester,
barn, Liverpool, and other large towns which had
claims. The museum was • toy and a plaything, and the
effect of keeping it up was to starve the British Museum.
He had no confilence in the report of the committee as con.
stituted.

The CHAIRMAN said that, according to the standing
order, after a division had been taken 013 an item in a vote,
they could not move a reduction of the whole vote.
Mr. AYRTON then would put it in another form, and
move to omit the fist item in the vote, on account of tha
Kensington Museum, vic.,.4.5.151.

Against it
Mr. H. D. SEYMOUR wanted to know whether there
was another vote for science and art besides that contained
in the present paper?
?dr. LOWE replied that there was the education vote in
addition, and there would be a vote for the buildings at
South Kensington, of which due notice would be given.
He could not at present say how much it would be.
After a few words from Mr. Wvcri the vote was agreed to.
6411. for the eatery of the Secretary to the Coranussioners
of National Education (Ireland) was agreed to, as was also
4,820/. for the University of London.
The following votes were also agreed to :-7,2301. for the
Scottish universities; 1,7711. for the Queen's University in
Ireland ; 3,600/. for Queen's colleges in Ireland ; 5001. for
Cthe Royal Irish Academy; and 3,5001. for the Belfast
ollege.
Upon the vote of 8,670/. for the National Gallery,
Mr. CONINGEAM moved that it be reduced by 6,0001.
—the amount required for the purchase of new pictures.
He complained that the director of the National Gal-
lery had been reappointed for five years in the face of most
objectionable purchases, alluding chiefly to two Ruysdaels.
one of which he said had turned out to be genuine, and the
other was universally acknowledged to be spurious. It was
a bold step on the part of the government to unction the
reappointment of that gentlemen until the house had Laden
opportunity of expressing an opinion on the subject. He
also objected to the item d 6501. for travelling expenses,and
said be was credibly informed that Mr. If unffler, whose
salary was struck out of last year's estimates, was still em-
ployed, and that he was indemnified out of those expenses.
He thought that the Royal Academy ought to be removed
from Tr falgar-square, to make way for the national collec-
tion of pictures, and that it ought to undergo a reform. If
all members were placed on the same footing, the cabal
which had so long been complained of would no longer exist.
Mr. SPOONER wished to know whether any balance re-
mained of the sum already voted?
Mr. LAING said there was a balance of 5,0001., which
went to the reduction of the present estimate.
In reei Mr. WILLIAMS,
Yr. ING stated that the whole money voted last year
bad been expended, and that the balance to which he
alluded belonged to the preceding year.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHZ.
QUER,
Mr. AYRTON thought the committee ought to have
some assurance from the government that the National
Gallery would be appropriated to national purposes. The
half of the building now used by the Royal Academy ought
to be made available for the reception of national picture*
which were now wandering about for some appropriate and
definite residence.

Lord liIIIRSTON always imagined that the cultiva-
tion and improvement of art was a national purpose.
The collection of a large number of first-rate pictures had
for its object the advancement of art, which wu superior
to the mere gratification arising from looking at those
pkturee. and therefore no reasonable complaint could be
made to affording the Royal Academy space is the National
Gallery for the purposes of study and exhibition. No
doubt it was desirable that they should be accommodated
elsewhere, is order that the whole building might be used
for displaying the pictures belonging to the country ;
_but
the only plan suggested with that view was, that the Royal
Academy should have a site in Burlingion-gardeus for the
erection of a large building—an operation which could not
be entered upon without considerable deliberation. On
that point no arrangement had yet been actually decided
upon ; but it was found that by the expenditure of a vary
moderate sum an increase of available apace might be ob-
tained in Trafalgar-spare sufficient for the accommodation
probably of all the pictures which might be added to the
national collection within the next eight or ten years. The
alterations proposed were the more deserving of consideration
because they would provide • decent place for the exhibi-
tion of works of sculpture, which were now huddled to.
gather in what might be called • cellar. (He. r, hear.)
Lord H. LENNOX, in assenting to the present vote.
wished to be understood as not approving of the vote for
the proposed alterations.
In reply to Mr. Corrugation,
Lord PALMERSTON was understood to say that the
director of the National Gallery had been re-appoiated on a
written recommendation signed by all the trustees.
The amendment was then negatived without • division,
and the vote was agreed to.
One other vote, I,ooof. for the Royal Society, was then
agreed to, and the house resumed.
FORTIFICATIONS, Ac., BILL.
This bill was read • third time and passed.
STAMP DUTIES (No. 2) BILL.
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The Lords'ementilmenta were enticlired, and agreed W.