The Express.
London, England, 1860-04-28 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS SATURDAY EVENING, APRIL 28 1860.

eaneitemehle seutreljeadee by repeated treenail Oxen be pimple who objected bto church-rats sh.twouldhbz
permanently maintained.
ultimately dine...eel of.
blr. S. FITZAIERALD said it seemed to him the ques• extraordinary importance to the opinions of the Wesleyan
one was far too important to he discussed or brought for- sect on this question ; but the large majority of Wealeyans
ward without notice in this way, but he would avail himself united with the great 1).1y of dasentere in opposition
.4 the opportunity. ()tasking the noble bird if it were correct
to chhoratee. Moreover, no inooneiderable num-
that France. which had made a proposition that this bar of regular attendants upon the Church
.10 dine should he referred to a conference, had intimated of England joined the dimeetern in the endeavour
th d that conference should be merely for the ;teepee of !?_ put an end to them. He could not travel through
elepting niemeres to secure the neutraleatiou of these see countryand look through the windowof a railway car-
le 'voices in future, and that there should be no question nage without ' similar spectacles, and though be
et the conference as to what the French government would ought not in all cases admire the architecture, he must
call a diememlernient of Savoy. confess that, on the whole, they added greatly to the
beauty of the landscape. Well, all this had been
replete HA NN EnLEY said before the noble lord the rodoced, not by rota of parliament, for they
Seretary fee Foreign Affairs answered the question, he Li ceased, but by the same religious teal, the same
....hid to deo. hi.. attention, and the attention of the house. Chrigtian benevolence, the same munificent liberality which
to .i letter to the r Mel of that day respecting the .ate of
dininguished the members of the church equally with the
the Euglish cemetery at Sebnatopol. The hoga and gallant rest of their countrymen. Well, now, he wanted to per-
niember then read the letter In question, which stated that
suede Them (the opposition) that this bill was a good bill
%h• f'"'" of the Ental °lllewn eltdl whiten in thy. 'gm. for the established church. (Laughter.) He would note
ter .it Catheart-hill been desecrated, and their remains
indeed, leave them to suppose for a moment that he
exhumed. He surceated that the government should make with the.. to the advantage a( a state eetahliahmeaM
repremettatioo. through OW IntbenleidOr to the Rowan the teaching of religion. He lireed in opinion on that at
govi nintent ita the su ject, and if that could not be done, 40,
resent abstract question with r. Mall and the Liberation
that they should give daintier to the Dearest consular
iety. He believed that • state eetabliehment was an
smut, who he eved was the consul at 0ar..., to take evil to the state and evil to religion ; but that was not •
measure. 10 bolervent this deleautium
question to be dimmed then, and in all probability it was I.ed J. HI t:SiELL-1 gate aurae with the hon. member neat one which that generation would be called upon to
fee the.ham that this quieter's' of Baia► is too important a decide. He said, however, that the abolition of irritating
16,01.4' for regular &Knish:* sea
the inellemm mapper '° levies of money in Ireland had been of great advantage in which it has been brought fee-ward ou the present evenin the retediahed church of Ireland. and that the arse they
I shall, therelote, not refer to the stattrment• which I have, (the opposition) could remove the question of a state eats-
ma d^ at venous times to the helm, oaf,' otii•Wi that threw blishinent from that constant irritation which wee statement*" were founded at the time upon t oectarationa inseparable from the continuance of church due, the
which were made by foreign ta and the de•Patei. ,hes longer was likely to be the period of time for which
which I Mies received from Maiontre minister, •ornot• they would consolidate their church • and he would
With regard to the itumedistequAloa epos which the hoe. so that he um inclined to believe that its tall
Ileatlemam opposite and thehomme feelecommiderahle °Semi, as a state establishment would not come from any
rawly, mto what i. to he done with regard to that pat ..f usanhe of thus who ware without, but from strong dif. 1 the quietens omermn; the eliatmliaed parts of Savoy. I will (ensues with regard to doctrine among those who were gar such intern, ste et m I cam, bet it ie very far from being within its walls. (Hear, hear.) Now, he would put it to .It is proposed that there should be a bon. gentlemen opposite, whether in ooe respect their 1 ose."l7eierease .4 the powers a Europe who signed church was not at a great disadvantage as com with
she Trutt a Vienne en arafttenint subject, ...d dissenting bodies. He was in • position, he t., to tier subject a.. as rfaind the marl, reernment, t° re- dawn both with great impartiality, because he be
tc Vitra
essink the teed article of the tasty of It. Mara. to which all tea meet which was eery smo. and which soin. poor
the .wen a Eur''Pe who gig"' the treaty are Partials said was dscayiag, though he believed its Min with thy tad article of the treaty ef Turas, which has been piaci pke were atm, t .He hid no patica.,
lady concluded hawses the ant of the French and
row...Path,' with the W the Independents. or the
the kin °I 11/47-linia I 11°.___,.
_ant isre that the, French any mere than be had with congregations who
Imeammeat wi'h to go any rammer with • view .• rioting assamilded in churches. But he would appeal to hog.
Use other questionse are to be °sundered, or to place an; umbels opposite whether they had not observed that
further metrictinaa as to what sway take place at the eon- mow. the cougdmitions of dissenting bodies the,. was
tame. Ido not certainly apprehend that the French greater activity in matters connected with their church and
goveraseut impose such a reistrictioo as the hon. geo• thew. object. in uniting together than existed in the „eta,.
swam seem to souse... At the runs time, from the cone hsbedchureh ! (Hear, hear.) Had they not found that neraiediens that I have received sad from the declaratiens ham the richat and rood influential nun who entered
which the gainer's' of the Preach has mad* from time t° a church on Sunday. down to the humbled member tram, I ahead th.ok that to any measure which. pro. at the .argragaties. than, was a chain of sympathy running
peelr he WSW the deolwahettment of 8••07. we eholiht lad aweigh them all which gave them • power that, so far as the
in the wiefficence that the French goverammat was decidedly shoat. rif uniting at au were coucerbed. existed in a far 1...
elliffo•od-._,. .8•1 it ts "106001 that theetliell be other 00•••___ down is the says of the established church ! (Hear,
amme
whichwnstm___.. would ont "tonal " inototiothernwt.,
._ tv!"!, bear.) He had often heard members of the church whose ...... Yee give • military meatier to '''''"arnmaus view. es ills subject of church rates differed from hits=
whhh___, _ ,willht._he die'eee.i and might he Pr.n.....ll'lBint-__„„ that antorathe 500 or 1,000 porton. who •
mmuma._• waimiSwitterland Ire male such a Pr°Pmhl IT • church there was much less sympathy, union,
be the lama far her Majeltr• gorernment to ammo° ra mediality, and power, for combined anion than pre-
With iregurd le the parties to the contemns, as I ailed sm„me &muted. Well now if the ..ggh.
have lashed. they are the Powell ,who, were Pl!* 11111.91 church had none of these rates to levy,
lies to the treaty if Volun•• and "'were there i° it would be placed in precisely the same position in that
I° "h• that all the Poo**. will agree that retail as diameters, and that would, in his opinion, be
liwiteerlaed should barmier. be represented at that ccer • material advantage to it. In the management of the
fer'oce• With regard to Sardinia. thee, was some drew dein of the congregation it would, of course, be notes-
aos, mill going •on, aad likewise as to the question in what say to weed, an the members , there would be
manner Sento/flied and Sardinia ahuidd appose at the coo- mete for providing the requisite fund, annually, or Note, The nmterenes that was bold at Lmduo in 1n.31 yearly, or qeerterly, and hence the members of the con•
eel lict2 would &front • precedent. According to that pre. vegetates would know who wan united with them in
relent parties wit comprehended among those who signed church COMMUnfon, and would be united as diasenters were;
ll' Tr.", of V'•°" car appear "
Thatlb' mmfermic° either and he maintained that their activity for all religious par-
°las, .wr °My ra cert.", .cra•mamf in • matter which, pose. at home and abroad was likely to be increased and
se I baye stated, is ce ler discussion. The time for the strengthened. Now many hon. gentlemen no doubt re.
meeting of the cenfe..m.s has heem likewise • matter for gaoled hint as • violent pertain on this question, and might
aleetootie, but the French government state upon that say that he had participated in the aniniosity of church
sale. et that they consoler a oedemas cannot be proper!y rate contests in the pariah in which he resided. Well, be
weeintsled aural tins treaty of Tule is • del Dot deny that is past times he had taken • warm, a
That treaty of Turin is not complete until the perliatneut Benlons, and it might be at times • toodiested
th. emembly, of Tune shall have given itsswot to it. ten in the diacossions and contests connected with this
it I. lug a part of the constitution of Sardinia that question . hot• so far as he was cowermid, in his neigh.
s" ce....sm of teenierr can be valid till the treaty making hourhood all that had beau swept away. He was older
sleet .cmaioa. shall be onethined try the rotes of „
__the now thee he was at the period to which he referred ; he.
""m"e• The French government thcmfmn my ,fam,_. knew how this question stirred up men's minds ;he could
eePteeeng the vote of the parliament wet°, _not te 's l° make allowance for dims, and he claimed the same allow-
law'," of kke rrinnoll. and was against the raunnati"n of ante for himself. (Hear, hear.) This question must,
the treaty. then would than be mutating for the powers of however, soon be settled one way or other, awl he appealed
Eur. ye to deliberate ton", and therefore they cannot to hon. gentlemen opposite whether it would not be an
preperty be called together till that vote and taken place. advantage to the eitablished church itself, to morality, to
It is tiadasthod that the parliament of Piedmont is to cce rebrion, and to the public peace, that it should he
Mice.] the days m the ant weak, or the set at rest .....1 for ever. (Ministerial cheers.) The
°°" tm .'"rs ''' M'y, and it is Pr°9°•nd that right hon. and learned gentleman (Mr. Whdemide), exhibit.
the mimeses shoal went after that tune. Then mg one of the faults of a high classical education, and fol.
there erases tbe iesenti.ei to whirl' the hoe. grata. lowing the example of • right hon. gentlentan who delighted lane (Mr. Vitagerald) called ear &Heath:a, and to which we them all with a most . nt. but Hinkel, speoch ma attali, as he doe,, nsmolerable imPett•nce—what slmald the previous night, indulged them with • view of
he the state of possession of the neutralised porsiuss of what took place under the democracies of Greece. He Savoy after the treaty has been confirmed, supposing it to asked them to imitate those who were be
in the
heconfirsed. at Turin. awl before the conference has toot ! &swank= of racist Rome. He said that the Roman
We have stated me • than once at Pan.. and Lord Cowley emperors, cemula, and people went in procession after
tel A eves awe hi. return to Pan., that in our the foul gods and goddesses which they worshiipped. Well, Mon it is newt ilesir dub. that no civil or military emu- it was true that they did. rad he hoped that by that time pins by ?,saes should take place until the eonferenee has the right hon. gentleman had felt sorry fur having asked
ma'idered the quest'''D of the ...f.0.b....1 Pen "f riavoy, them to follow an example of that kind. (Laughter.) Rome
and limbo what noeri,••,,sn. those neutnilned portion. shall heal perished. and the religion which it professed had he hereafter held. nosed in abut manner they shall he depueed perished with it. Their religion was of a different chanc-
el. The French gevernment, however, on the other side, ter. If there was owe thing more than another written on
say that thee see grew. ilitSculty in
assume&metin to such a inn. the page of that book on which the church professed to be
peeition, beaten it would :wean- to that the treaty founded, it was this, that men should be juAt one to another—
el Turin did oce pees :ly do what it purported tO do. (hear. haul—that they should he kind and brotherly one to namely, trawler the whole 'sovereignty of Savoy (rum the another, that they should not ask of each ether that which
Zing al Merdioni, its late or present "'mei" t.' the Emil*" they were not tats
wan willing to do. He said that the rev of the Freud'. They therefore mined this difilculty, law of church rates wan a law which violated—violated
without laymg any stress, however, upon the practical 01,- most obviously and outrageously—every law of justice and of Jaime to that coenw. h regent to any practical tele mercy which Was written in that book. (" Oh, oh," from
pee they say that her Mailenty*. government may be arearel the oppositeu.) He believed that could never be an ad-
that there will he no preerdstion in tasking polleeeeion of vantage to toe chunk, if it were • true church ; and be-
that territory, bet that there must he some authority, that lieeing that. and fesdiug how much the intsreets, the 'yin.
the territee7 cannot he loft without authority dunes the loathes, and the wisher. of millions of their fellow-country-
soeferesee. That discumeon between the two governments men were in favour of the abolition of this impoet, h.
is not vet concluded. It alpears t. ea, I mat e00f,,,,,,, that asked hooouzable members opposite to do what he himself it Wonti,l be mere Witiefart, qv to haws nese arrairo.nent wasp reparal to do namely, to give a conlia! support to the
evens 10 by which the whole ..f that territory shoulirted be third reading of this ba (cheers.)
is poisemien of the Fraueli authorities during the time Mr. DISRAELI invited the attention of Mr. Bright,
a the conference, lecaum, a. from the emplication
,ot who had dwelt
upon the success of the voluntary principle at
actin...di, tbereari.e. es cry .Lae some queettea 0, woliing, f;,,,,h,hile, to the recorded representation of it. utter failure
pct.!. or injured hosecir, it is desirable that the Frei. •Il t Ilaminglism. His eulogo, of that principle wa., he ob-
nuthoritie. steed ad lie repaired to withdraw from any arrvisl, 'rut of piece, for this was not the, question be ton
Iv tem of the territory of which they an in actual pose.- the house; bet his iliustretiona of the priucple were illu.
*Mt' " • matte" like "th"r nuttier, cmineetwl with I s..rs-.. In England the voluntary prineiple had always
this eutsject, whieb dived* very much us the ..,einion et I bean at work. Mr. Bright had asked why the opponents
the different powers n/ Earle. I believe that the goe..e.. 1.1 church.rates had acmes& I think I can till (con.
sent °1 Prinisa• tali.' the tome view as we ii". With want Mr. Daraelthinarertialiy, the reason. No doubt there
regard
to the other powers, we have bad communtca. is a great anxiety to trait thin subject, and that has arisen
tan° 'a this Particular rnat. and I can only air it is oast a.- (nen an im which has been very prevalent in the
present decided. I ell net ge further into this 'subject at country an. this bootie, that there have been vexations corn-
y...mt. I only whiten t, Tare such information as I war alainte, which should be remedied—that there have been
able. Ido uot think the • ['nation is one for discu..h,n at scruples of conecieuce which might be urged, mid which,
the !newel moment. W.th regent to the cenietenes at like all scruples, were at oncelutened to with sympathy
Helsaltopol, lam sorry to soy that lam draid the staterneht and respect ; and during all this perind, when here has
of the hon. gentleman le in ooefonuity with the truth, acre been . coesidedble interest and excitement in then country,
it in every respect agreed with the statenierda we here r.:- the object of this house has not been that which
moved. We have gives such direetiom as we think may the hon. gentleman now frankly confesses is his object
Fervent am further 'mit°, moce "f art, stocking "utrage., —thaa it has been the anxious desire of hon. gentle.
Ms", the feeding. "f this country "wi "1 the relative' at" men oa both Milne of the house to meet the com-
frweete of the gallant men who were there buried. and I plaints effectually. end efileiratly to remove the grievances
ha..• desires! lies 3Ltresty's minister at St. Petersburg to which were thought might he entountered and remedied.
numentrate in eery strung tam' with LW Kumla* govern' But 30 year. have peeled since this churdi-rate question
mania %win the subject.
has been a public quettion of large and growing interest ;
IRISH PAUPERS. and how have thom 30 years been oecupied ! Why, occu-
lt,. POLI..%ItIbI'RteIHART called attention to the pied ia deed+ which time has proved to be insincere, and
war of an &zed fem.'', pauper who, he &Herd, had 1.-n in *amend projects of adjustment which, bemuse they
deported from Liverpool to Dublin on the night of the :*l.l i were Riess for abolition, have been insincere, and have ne-
of April. Thus pence had been 52 years in England, aid I ceseartly hese inefficient and iadcluate. That is the
had been mamed V to an English tiarkeman. I reason why all our efforts have been so futile. But the
Mr. V ANI 'E co rated the statement of the loin, gen• I hon. gendernau, as the self-appointed representative of
Osman, and complained that such caws were of daily i the school of abolition, frankly told us that his object now
ocurrenee. I was not the object which we have been considering and
Mr. OARDWIILL bad received a stetemeet from Liver- ' deasing to encounter for the last 30 years. The hon. gen-
pui to the agar, that between the Ist and the pith of Ar, I Heiman told no that the church of the nation ought
se. person had been sent from Liverpool who oilmen.. to net to be supported by a portion of the nation.
the cl. - of an aged female. His right him. ft lend He told us that this was only an abstract opinion; but tf it
' the I tof the Poor-law Board hail already commuui• be only ea abstract opinion we must demur to assenting to
rated es the house his intention to appoint a committee to a bill ; the object of which is to convert that which Is a
reminder two of the mod important question* that eould mere abler: t opinion into a practical and definite policy.
AI WA with ... th r•-art to the poet I.w• namely, the pnspriety of .We hare heo t this question toe clear issue. It is very
reducing the lire rears of melence, which tendered e per. ' important,
is I do not lash tii diminish its importance.
ei n irremovable, to thee.. year.; sod to enlarge the area of The question now expressed in language which cannot
Trude . from penshen •to unions. (Hear. hear.) His he nitstuderstood, and that is • great advantage. We have
right hos. frwod hoped that the implies, would hot he a been of late years very unwilling that questioas connected
very lung one ; and that at iis conclusion he sheet., lie able with the church should be introd.. eced to the co_nsideration
to iiitrielsoe • nienieurr. Ili -ne )
ef thin house, and in a certain tended point a view that
The motives for the sile.ernment "(the home. till Mooiliy was a very proper and reasonable course. There is no
was tarried at a .111.1W1,f pi. it ci.eit. , doubt that after the great changes that have
, taken place in this hones during the last thirty years CHURCH RATES AFIOLMON BILL.
' thulies,
th. bill,
Is, J TRELAWNY having mired the third reading of or so, when yon have admitted Roman ca
threaten, Jews, and all subjects, indeed, of her Majesty,
without reference to their religious opinions; to be members
Ili. WHITF.SME moved to defer the third reeling for if this house, the character of this house• as regards the
was month.. After exanitinig tile 'valence nomeeting the church of England and as • religious body, is considerably
mine of churchrates, whi ei shoe° 1. he said• the antiquity changed. Before we consented to these changes in the (ile-
a the , ustom, springing ~41, of the old common law, and meets of our assenihly, this House of Orimmons was a
the osioner in Whcia the rates were enforced by the 9 ea of lay convreation, and it was both natant and
will of the niapinty, be_ ame I whether )fir J. Treit..eny. maenad& that we should have before us the condition of
who profiessed himself a member of the establithel church. ti.e church, even the doctrines of the church, in which all
is I.roceolieg against chemise-ate., intended to break up members were this agreed, and the di:Mt.:4le Of the church.
the pars Mal ...stein, which, her in.i.tel, Bas at the foie- Hut when this great change in our character oecurred, I can
delloo fli the social sr 4-..tu of the ,ountre. He cited easily understood why the doctrines of the church should
the testimony .4 Mr. Bunting, a Wesleyan, on never be brought before the consideratioa of an omembly
tes, subject .4 char .h .rates. r. 1,0 stated that . all the nirmli,r of which dal not agree in the doctrines of
abiern wee a moupposholienfil as to the auneler that cliumh, and as little as possible in its discipline. But,
.4 nooneformet. who objected te chair payment eltheugh the Apiritual illlllloo9 of the church of England ia
keen tweaseieatbous sert.ple, Ti,e 0 .0. to disc sot as influence that ought to be introduced into etude.
rates. Mr. Whatetsle ~.iit**ivle I. meet era urea reli. bates, and need rat be so introduced, it is 're -
ir
puns hut spas political greund.: the pentane werc got up sti•le to shut our eyes tr. the secial and political' Mau-
an 7.lll:4:rtmdlen "rum.„Y'.4*•'.41:1,1"..1.,
__. by wornOn and hy IE3O 44 the dumb of England ; and any Man
'cure spit, an • persta who attempts to shot his eves Si, the social
worried th. minater, art etette'l the miliorlty against the and polities' induenoe of the natiemd church would, in his
111.0.w.tr ;it was avowed that the ultimate object was the ; speculationx upon public omit • very important ele-
armgation of the church from the state; tithe. were to. ' meet, and every gentleman in this h.) - whatever hie
hike rhyrrh•ratea. mid erns the wham were to he tneetewl I religious prnfeanan my be. aierfectly free and entitled—
,
as pu'et• property. The house. therefore. !sotto .14srinies may, more, it is his duty well to c .n.ider the social and
• diffeteut 'pea sees from what lied been Iceteht before it .14 4 it 1,41 ieduence of the church of Ee-land. H
ii Mat ion that the iner&lP•or•lf this m .t.mnr Id kud sliw • NO.. I 11.0 to my of the aocial an I Ichttc' al intlruiroce, hearoi
elesed their eraa views awl projeele. Be opposed the till I the church ,us England that it must n cesearily e '
te muse it evolved the pagodas erhe...Mr or not an great inductee nil the welfare of the co "rem*
unite, because
me shbiesed ehor•li •ho •id emirates to cumin the, nectry I wet may be sad 41 every church. Iw ll not my that the
Mr. BRIGHT au I 11.. felt iseleheoll to Mr Whiteside tenour aad leaden: of its doctrine. 'necessarily lead to
fee harms infused some new light into the megaton ; bat irennuillity. peace Yd order. That May he said truly of
he Lad net mom more tI. windy the! grim purlieu of ill.
e sty church. Itt
nay be mid truly of the duvets of

France, for no one doubts that the 36,000 curates of
France, take them all together, are men devoted to the
welfare of the people of that country, and exercise a most
beneficial influence upon society. No one doubts that the
Menjtenour and tendency of opinion among higher mem-
of the hierarchy of any foreign church are
favourable to tranquillity, peace, and order. But there
lathis peculiarity in the church of England. We ought to
take into consideration when opinions in favour of depe-
nding church and state are now announced, not as abstract
opinions alone, that there is this peculiarity—that thonh
connected with the state, the established church is hide-
pendent of the government. (Hear. hear.) That is surely
a coosideratioo of the utmost importance. Now, sir, it
used to be the boast of England that though our govern-
ment was weak our society was strong, and it was said of
continental natl.:ea and very truly, that their governments
were strong but society was weak. The consequence of
having • strong society is that you have local government
and public liberty and you have that national character,
which is the peculiarity of England, and which is the cone-
Trance of local government. 1 cannot attempt to calculate
—I contemplate with awe—what would be the consequences
to our society if you were to withdraw the influence of the
established church. (Cheers.) The change that it would
produce upon our society—and by changing our peculiar
society, the change it would produce upon our national
chanicter —lion° which I doubt whether the most far-seeing
sad profoundest man, most versed in public affairs, and
moat practised in the consideration of state circumstances,
could for • moment realise. But what would be the result
of following this glib policy now recommendedin so off-hand
a. spirit! Why, the very consequences we so much depre-
cate, and which may entail upon this country such fearful
consequences. If the hon. gentleman believes, sal believe, that
the existence of this church, which, though connected with
the state, is independent of the government, is one of the
strongest dements of our society, and one of the best secu-
rities for our local government and our public liberty, I
hope they will hesitate, and will not, with such facility as
heretofore, sanction such theories as are recommended by
the hon. baronet and the hon. gentleman. I would ark the
house, is this • time of all others when it is the interest of
parliament to weaken the social elements of the country
(Hear, hear.) I do not want to indulge in
alarming views of the future. They are so serious that
there can be no man in this house, and no thinking man
out of it, who requires any one to impress upon him the
contingencies, and the serious contingencies, that may occur.
(Hear, hear.) Sir, I trust that under Providence our
affairs may be so guided, with ao much wisdom and dis-
cretion, that whatever may occur, whatever changes may
happen, this country may long avoid sharing in those den-
pre and in those troubles that may happen. But I am
sure that the younger members among us will meet in the
latter half of this oentuay, • period of time that will con-
temn very differently from the pester portion of that period
in which we have lived. That has been from the reaction
of former struggles • period of great tranquillity, of great
prosperity. and of great progress. Happy should Ibe if
the future half of this century resembled it,
but no man—no thinking man—can shut his
eyes to what may be the impending struggles
of the world ; and, sir, are we at • moment
like this to tamper with one of the most powerful of our
institutions—(cheers) —one to which, contrary to the
opinion of the hon. gentleman, I believe the great body of
this country are wedded with deep affection and with a
%eviction that it has operated for centuries rattly to the
advantage of this country. The hon. getleman has con-
trasted the action of the church of England with the very
meritorious efforts and influence of some of the sects of very
recent origin. But, sir, we must remember that
we are considering to-night the position and establishment
of an institution that hiss existed for centuries. The
prescription that surrounds it proves the deep root it has
in the country, and the wisdom which has hallowed its
existence for such countless generations. (Cheers.) Are
you then prepared to take a step which, at • moment like
this, would tend in so disastrous • degree to weaken and
partly to shatter the social fabric of this country' I cannot
believe, when the bounce:dully considersthe position of this
country, but that they will consider this question in a
tra;and purer spirit than hitherto. I feel confident that
extend to it a spirit of that character, they will not
auction the rash and ruinous proposition of the hon. mem-
ber for Taeistock ; and I trust that in the division we are
about to come to, we shall be able to measure the mind of
the country, and not reduce those means by which, in the
hour of danger, we shall be best enabled to show that firm
and constantoririt which has before preserved this coun-
try. (Cheers.)
Sir J. TR AWNY said the right hon. gentleman had
overlooked the fact that there was • very conspicuous dis-
tinction between tithes and parish churches. In the case of
non-payment of tithes • distinct remedy existed against the
land, but in the case of church rates there was no effective
remedy. The more he considered the whole question of
church rates the more he became convinced that they were
irredeemably doomed.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said there were many parishes where
the expenses of the church rates were defrayed out of the
poor rate, which was • robbery upon the poor and • fraud
upon the law, and he should Kaye wished that the clause he
wanted to propose could have been inserted in the bill
sod font to the House of Lords, for he considered
the bill was imperfect without it. (" Hear," and " Divide.")
He was a member of the Birmingham Union at the time
when it existed, and he was now a member of the liberation
Society. He denied that the demand for the abolition of
church rates came from the Birmingham Union ; he con-
tended it arose from the action of the church and the rode-
erratical courts in their intolerance, imprisonments, sod per-
secutions. The house then divided—
For the third reading
For the amendment 246-9
The announcement of the numbers was reoceived with
repeated rounds of cheers from the opposition, with some
counter-cheering from the ministerial benches.

lab, intdliptce.

COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH.-Arm 27.

Sittings in Banco. —(Before the Lord Chid Justice, Mr.
Justice Crompton, and Mr. Justice Blackburn.)

TOSTIR 1. WATSON.—THE ItARYLIMONI EAMON.
This was an appeal from a decision of the Judge of the
Weetminster County Court.
The plaintiff, Mr. Thomas Foster, is • printer M Middle-
row, Holborn, and the defendant, Mr. Edward Morris Wat-
son, was the chairman of Cokmel Dickson's election com-
mittee, on the occasion of his contesting Marylebone with
Lord Fermoy. The plaint was lodged to recover the snm
of 211. 13s. 4d. due at the foot at the following account :
To printing 5,000 bill.—" Feemoy's Fallings" £6 0 0
To advertisements in St. Pose... and Holborn
Timm 0 10 0
To 2,000 copies St. Pancras and Holborn Times 4 3 4
To Colonel Dickson's address to electors ll 0 0

£2l 13 4
The plaintiff had previously attempted to recover the
amount of the claim from Colonel Dickson himself, but
as it appeared at the hearing that the orders in question
were riven by the defendant previous to his appouitment
in writing as the agent of Colonel Dickson, the Judge ruled
that, ender the 24th and 31st sections of the 17th and 18th
Vie., cap. 102, Colonel Dickson was not liable (or the orders
given by the defendant prior to that date. He must there-
fore sue Mr. Watson on his personal liability. In pursuance
of that judgment the plaintiff accordingly brought an action
apinet Mr. Watson : when the judge, adhering to his former
ruling, told the jury that as Colonel Dickson was not liable
the defeadsat mut be, and they therefore found for the
plaintiff. Ageism. that ruling of the learned judge the pre-
sent ap al
pe was intend.
Mr. Ludy and Mr. Douglas Browne appeared for
the appellant ; lb. L. Kelly for the respondent.
The Court ruled that there must be a new trial, on the
ground of the judger direction being wrong.

STOCK JOBBING.

Mr. BOVILL moved for leave to bring is a bill to repeal
so much of the statutes relating to stock-jobbing as pre-
yenta persons selling and disposing of Stocks or other
securities of which they are not possessed. He said, if the
house agreed to the introduction of this bill, they would
then have two bills before them—one for the total repeal
of Sir John Barnard's Act, am! the other for the partied
repeal of it ; and it would be for them to discus and
determine which of the two bills they would pies.
Mr. LAINO said the object of the hon. and learned
gentleman wee precisely the same aa that of the government
in proposing the repeal of Sir J. Banners Act. The
government would not, however, oppose the introduction
of the bill. _

Leavewu therefore given.
HIGHLAND ROADS AND BRIDGES BILL

Mr. LAING moved to nominate the select committee
oa the Highland Roads and Bridges Bill : Mr. Laing, Sir
William Dunbar, the uisof Stafford, Mr. Henry &till ie,
Mr. Fiala'', Mr. Edward • ; and five members to be
added by the committee of selection.—Agreed to.
PRISONS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
JEWS ACT AMENDMENT BILL
...

Mr. DllNCOlißinio;itiTie third reeding of this bill.
Xt. SPOONER protested against the bill being read
third tme at that late hour (a quarter to one).
Mr. NEWDEGATE said Ise hoped his hon. friend would
persevere in his opposition to the third reading at that
hour.

The house was cleared for a division, but tho thinl read.
ins was carried without a division, amidst some cheering.
The remaining orders were then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at ten minutes to 1.

DLODORISATION OF Tx3 THAIIIJI.—A report on
the practicability and probable efficacy of the plan proposed
to be adopted by the Metropolitan Board of 11, ot ks for
deodorising the sewage of London by means of perchlorole of
hoe, was yesterday presented to the Improvement Com-
mittee of the City Sewers Commission by Dr. Letheby,
their medical officer of health. Dr. Letheby states that not
only has he tested in the laboratory the powers of almost
every disinfectant that has been proposed, but he has also
visited the principal towns in England where processes of
deodorization are largely carried out, and he is hound to
state that the result of all these inquiries, guided by the
principles of chemistry and hygiene, is not favourable to
the proposed scheme of the Metropolitan Board. The plan
which is recommended is to cast into the sewers during the
hot weather a concentrated solution of perehloriile of iron.
This is to be used in the proportion of about six grains to
the gallon of sewage ; and the precipitate which it forms
with the sewage is not to be removed, hut it is to be allow,'
to flow into the Thames with the rest of the liquor. The
result of this will be, not a prevention of the putrefactive
proems, but merely a delaying of it. At the utmoid its
effects will last for only about nine days, and then the
putrefactive change will continue in its usual way. As far
as his knowledge, experience, and experirueuts have gone
he is led to the conclusion that the use of perchlaride of
iron as • disinfectant of sewage, and a purifier of the
Thames, will be a serious failure, unites indeed means are
taken for the separation of the solid matter from the
sewage, and the disposal of the clear liquid aloe.
THE New MEDICAL RELIEF BILL.—The Boards
of Gesnlians of the township of Manchester. of the
Charlton Union, and of various other unions in the neigh•
bourhood, have unanimously agreed to petition against the
Medical Relief Bill now before parliament, on the ground
that the measure is one calculate( improperly to increase
I the fees of dicers &Ad atteoci 'ALP Ovwerof gettapi
orders in a way that would prevent anything like check
or orintrol over the cost by the guardians, although the
guardians would have to pity all the expenses. It was
said that the bill might possibly be of some use in thinly-
p ;striated districts, but was entirely inapplicable to large
towns and populous unions.
WRECK AND LODE or Six Livrri.—A telegram
from Dartmouth announces that the Nyseia, Captain
Liebnitzky, of and for Stettin from Liverpool, with a gene-
ral cargo, capsized and sunk off the Mart on Wednesday.
The telegram adds that " six men were drowasd; master
and two men reed."

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secution resulted in a conviction and sentence of twelve
mouths' imprisonmeut.
Mr. Geo. I*wranee yesterday applied for an order direct-
ing the payment of the costa of the prosecution.
Hia Honour declined to grant the order.
Mr. Lawranee said he should appeal if hi honour re-
fused to sign the order.
The Court—But I don't think I directed the assignees to
perscute.

Mr. Lawrance—Your honour ordered it in two instances.
On the 11th February you ordered the prosecution for non-
surrender, and on the 17th you ordered the assignees to
indict the man for fraudulently obtaining goods within three
months of his bankruptcy.
The Commissioner—l do not think I did. I never direct
such a thing to be done because it is in the discretion of the
assignees whether they will take criniinal proceedings or not.
Mr. Lowrance —Your honour ordered the proceedings to
be taken.

The Commissioner (angrily)—l did not order the prose-
cution.

Mr. Lawrence—Had you not done so I should not apply
for the expenses of the prosecution.
The Commissioner—lf I made the order I must have
some note or memorandum in my book concerning it,
and my book is not here to-day. It has been taken to my
house for another
Mr. Lawrence—Your
honour did make the order, and the
act of parliament authorises you to order the expenses to be
paid out of the court fund. I should submit that the order
for payment follows as a matter of course.
The Commissioner—Then if it follows I have nothing to
do with it. (A laugh.)
Mr. Lawrance—The act of parliament requires your
honour a signature to the order before payment can be had.
Here is the order (placing it before his honour). It is
very short.
The Commissioner (sharply)—l shan't sign it.
Mr. Lawrance—Mr. Commissioner Goulburn, in a similar
case, after consultation with Commissioners Holroyd and
Fonblunque, granted the order. Then the prosecution
failed, hence the conference ; here the prosecution was
successful. Surely your honour will not refuse the order.
The Commissioner—l am pretty confident I made no
entry in my book.
W. Lawrence—But your honour signed an order for the
prosecution.
The Commissioner—Then if I did you must have pro-
cured my signature. I cannot tell the precise language of
every order put before me. H I did sign it my attention
was never called to it. The assignees are the proper parties
to determine the course to be pursued in such cases.
Mr. Lawrence—Your honour did not make the order
until witnesses had been examined before you day after
day, and you made the order when the facts brought out by
the examination of those witnesses were fresh in your
mind. At that time you considered it a proper case for a
prosecution.
The Commissioner—Why should these cods be thrown
on the fund?

Lawrence—Will your honour endorse the order with
your refusal, so that I may appeal ?
The Commissioner—No ; I stoat.
Mr. Lawrence—lt is a usual course to pursue.
The Commissioner—Yon mu tell the Lords Justices I
won't sign the order. Ido not believe the facts were be-
fore me at the time.

Yr. Lawrence—That is a peculiarly offensive remark
coming from the bench to a practitioner of the court. I
never aiked for an order without taking care to place the
facto before the court.

The Commissioner—Well, I shan't sign this order.
Mr. Lawrence—Then, m your Honour decline to endorse
the order with your refuel, I must supply the omission
by other evidence.
The Commissioner (reluctantly)—Well, 1 don't mind
writing " I decline to sign this.
HisHonour endorsed the order accordingly, and the pro-
ceedings terminated.