The Express.
London, England, 1859-08-09 00:00:00

LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 9, 1859.

with 'Leith. derdieles treaty astlibellardiminammbgs. New
se to the pan which Frame bad taken fa Miss heamedusee
neon told than that ohs was not prepared; bet thm_beil
the So elan treaty, the Sardinian marriage, sad ths-Hile.
me peen; ant before Austria mowed the Thiess sad
whits three weeks after its monism the Pear* bed as
army of 200,000 in line there. If Frame amid do these
things what she was unprepared, limns hip the amiss
upon which she med. war when she was proposed. (Haar,
hear.) Now, as he sold Were, he did sot mastatidee with
France or Bulimia. He oeeld not sympathhe with them,
because he did not tbiak there was aufildent justification for
the war, and he thought this fiterforenee by Freaks wee
establithieg a diagnose precedent, against which it was the
dopy sad interest of Englishmen to protest. (Hier,
hoer.) He remit see no di&reem betimes this bier-
Imam of France in Lombardy sad what would
lean Lem the ma if Fresco had interfered is
[reload is 18t8, end if whoa a &vacation tom Imbued waited
epee H. Lsmattine he bed married his omen to Him
Smith 0' &ND, sad thee mat aFrenole stay over a Waldo
(" Hem" sod laughter.) Thom were the Mimes why he
did not eyrotathise with Frame or dudish in this Mum's
There ware two views, se be bed math, of the war, so there
were moreemily are views of the penes. All most rejoice In
the peace, in so far as Mat it led to • assorts of war, and we
wen no longer 'hocked at doily assails at slaughter ; but
there were those who though they spoked at pesos being
monad. sod at the:eart mere bloodshed, and though
they hoped that lady be bmilitot by that pesos,
tugh they wen to deabt it, were satiallid
tothink that Marla still eamieed ass of the great powers
of Norma kw the secessam beldam et pewee. Oa the other
bawd those won those the, lid away lortbak mat iss
the litaraidos of logy, lathed tali to ths welts
at Mika ; wwwaly, WM/ bairns efltsly firma the A/m.llll tbs
Adriatic. Re embeeed he was me of them who Mend is
the latter view. but he wooled to bow what were the vim
of leer Msjesty'a government. He teeth mot help thlakkm
that they were dimppoialed that Austria bad not bra
driven sorer the Atp., end that derytreee maims to offal
by negotistiose what the mord had felled to ethosplith. Ho
had spokes of the neutrality of the lass govornatest, let bin
• sow speak of the neatrality of the pre of gothethent,
which be oanaidated that of as edemas sad a prim.
Whet we the werathe et " arthrsitty r. He had nosed to
Jetthrse, ad he bleed the word as "• mete of ha&
Isse•••• sidsbor of 6theiship nor hos. silty." With the same
aged he had appalad to Yodel, who said, "A umbel
merles we dm whisk, la time of war, does not take say pert
fa the amen, bat is a common friend to both parties. A
mistral mum meet show a strict impartiality." Now, if
tried by them standards, oak they my the present some-
time wee neutral ? It me mammary to refer to the
spekelies niede by his sob)* friend (frerd J. lineeell), whether
•es the hustings or in this bases treinse ell woald
admit that this was not the Marotta of their .
What they sought now was what they sought in lAA tie
mpulaion of Austria Irmo Italy. He should like to know
what wee dons with the three poises; sena points were fret
submitted to the government by Frame, but they were web-
thquestly reduced to three or four, and when they wan tab-
muted by the Frisch minister in We country to the Foreign-
office, they wen accepted by his noble aimed without the
knowledge of the cabinet. A cabinet was bowsaw summoned
by hi. noble fraud to amidst them points; bat is the ateut-
time the bases of Nam were concloded between the two
Emperor.. [Lord J. Ressatt—That is not true.] He was
pled then to be the wens of giving the governmeat an
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twit proved that were not neutral, batthet they were

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could not be epprvyrytely at by either ima afarnative et a
strides wee- The motion tended to ewer entree in her
Meleam'eminialem, and ft was so um a voted want ed ma-
iden. that hardly any Dna meld mama* to vote in Geo
who wadi tonseat ft veto for the oder. It was rash
to My down • thle to imam to Mem in lot/ [peen of
what eireesestmoss may arise to modify the rile. Holding
the eleistele enewmable for the eassemientee, he was pre-
pared to elmelle to them the madame whisk was es lads-
r=asneditlea of all true mineneMity. Ile 'dodged
itailase to our joining in-ths rnient were wry
stroag_ , and he enumented bogie a them objectless, sad the
iteedithea teader which he would sot disapprove clinked's
gong le • aggress to settle the debit's of the territoeial
artmegements et Italy.
Thliptenion and the semodsmat having been put from
the
TI7e—aBANCELLOR d the EXCHEQUER slid
that the hoe. and learned gentleman who had jug
splint bed Men, he thought, conclusive reasons
teal ase Me adoption of the motion, and hit abode of
amobbby it was by proposing the preview question. So
kr se he (kb. Gladstone) was communed, and so Om se
W mennein woes oonoorsed, he sinadd have bees pr-
fbtfy le deal with the gamin by a direct Negative;
but if it was the pleasure of the hoses to treat the motion al
ane whisk It would be unmet, under existing CirtagllVlNVOtll/2
is inetrein, the government steakl not object, and tthheeyy
eseinbi to ployered to sumps/ the 111041011 which
Yo his, she brawl gemiemesi had made of his own OVICON
ssd 111118.1 say acerb with them (Hear, beer.)
Bee eaelllM it great interest had been nisei in the team
tithe Memnon by both the noble lord end the has. sal
hewed onitheaso which it would be ler Idea to
radealtiahrt:olge kind woad same* surprised
thatt eltkis extraterinery and maenad thereler, by
Sm called ulo t pset weet ile mien the.hes mbiles fit the goveramab druid to sable% teen
esseilse. The bet remark that centred to him,
at the knee of the matien, was, thet it was
Manna to the patties in which they mood—far It
madenned the taking part by bar Meicaty's goversaang fa
any eonfarence for the impose of tenting the details of ths
mos, the preliminaries of which bad bean arranged by the
Ent ate et Austria sad the Emperor of the French. He
(Xr.Gladstrate) was not aware of any proposal, or l
or desire for her Mejsety's government to ale utlepear;
to a costareties to settle the details of , the
=ridsof which had been imaged by the
Austria and the Emperor of the French,
Those Meade would, u they knew, be nettled by the belli-
mean themeless, and what stook afterwards remain to be
settled were not details, but great questions of European
policy, virtually affecting the peados ot Rely, sad stretching
Mr beyond the limits, and as well entitled to stand as Euro-
pean questions as any that had beat Memosoi in our time.
(Hest, hear.) There was, he could not but observe,
some discrepancy between the terms of his noble
friend's motion, and the speech with which it
had been introduced and enforced. The mottos
wee peremptory to its terms. There was so much objec-
tion to taking part In the conference that his noble Mead—
departing frornordinary parliamentary mane—looked forward
to socnoth4ng that had not yet incurred, end invited the
Hour, of Commons to decide that under no circumstances
should the gomennient of this country take any part in the
*Agrees which it was arapposed was shout to take piece.
But in the latter part of his speech the noble lord turned to
hie noble friends near him (Lords Palmerston and J. Rowell)
and said, "If you will go into this =game in the spirit of
ministers of England, and not in the spirit of ministers of
a toter r r, I have no objection." Ant it so, what

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wane of the motion ? (Hear, bar.)
friend hieneelf beams eneseione of elds dieFepencly ? Wen
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had not grown up to-day nor yesterday. The tootle lord bad
Bald be could not look upon Amara' ea the aggressor in this
war, bat that it arose from the Sardinian marriage and the
ss llardisien treaty." He (Mr. Gladstone) karr• dno such
fierdinlan treaty ; but the *obis lord went ea to nay
that no Aestrisn Motormen nts were sent to Italy until the
speech of the King of Sardinia. Oa that point the noble
lad's etstement was 'scoffed. The bins-book contained
evidence that Austrian reinforcements ware sent to Italy be-
fore the Him of Sardinia's speech. The words addressed by
the Emperor of the Peril to M. Hubeer were on the lot of
January, the speech.F. the King of Sardinia was on the
10th, but on the 3rd rebaloreareents were ordered from
Victim to march into Italy. But the noble lord treated to
toped this as a quarrel of the present day, in which all the
blame ley with one person use another. It wise not so, how-
ever. To mammon] this quarrel we nom go back
at any rate for the last forty-8m year or we
mold not °biota any true light upon its minis mid oaten.
For forty-five long yeses it was a wetter of fact that,
perhaps from an unhappy me:amity of thepoettion of Attalla,
• wherever liberty had mord its heed in Maly, wherever there
bad been the slightest or most moderate attempt towards
pass=ing even one hundredth part of those frauchisee which
me as Englishmen held go dear—there the iron heed of
Amble had interposed to re-establish in all he rigours and
Mow the menially existing government. es Hese, hear,"
mil &sera) Then consider the position of Sardinia. Hating
enteseded a obtainieg for herself the blesalugs of a free oon-
stitedon, Kodiak, the moment she had done so, became
quit. irrespectively tithe will of Mt sovereigns and gatemen,
by the everiasting law of thiap which human will could sot
montane% of neamelty a standing danger to Austria. It
was sot merely that &Miele wee on one aids of the border a
free Male, ad on the ether able there wee a state deepotieslly
piasenad ; sneak • seishboarkood might, dames with some
Win be prim* aswipatibia with peas sad good relations.
Bat the reel mum was the exterior policy of Amnia in Help.
It was Me influence and agency pervading every court and
every Forince, and felt them jest se exoeselvely, or perhaps
more so, as in Milan and Venice. For that was cos cones-
woos of her peculiar memo. It had been add, and per
not altogether oats*, that the Muted= ;Imhof=
were bettor governed than any other part of Italy, hewer
ft was absolutely necessary for the credit of Austria
as a great power, that bar adminietrative 'yawn in Italy,
amongst a population so intelligent as the Lombards red
Venetians, should have s conaderable degree of elllasetey
and mesasox But while stie meintaiaed that eupetiority
In her own states tampered with the States of the CharM
and Naples, sheet tbomme time enforced the boa yoke oaths
States of lb* Church and Naples, without polemic' forth=
the weetched, er et least the pietist compensation of these
administrative Improvements, of which she herself wee are-
ful to beset. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, this opposition of
Austria and Sardinia did not rest on the mere will of the
sovereigns and statesmen of the present day. It lay deep
the bed organiestion of Italy, end the fleet song of it
was to be foiled, not in the propegazdam of Sardinia,
arising essentially out of the fact that Sardinia had become,
by a law of nature, the Notre of the hopes and
aspiration. of every man in Italy—(ebeers)—bat it WY to
be found in that cstoe which made the peopegandisto of
Serthala formidable—namely, in that Austrian influence
throughout the pmansuls, from one end to the other, which
obliged all men, In every part of the pained., who strove
to better their political condition. to find themselves con-
fronted by the pliant form of Austria as the real power which
denied them all hope of improvement, and which doomed
them to a perpetuity of political servitude. (Greet ehenteg.)
Well, if tide woe the cam, the question of whether the Sar-
dinian marriage was oontracasel with a view that out of thW

raft d ILlstra arisissaast sower or Istior arise, sbrunk to
dimensions. For army years pant
of politica

..Rion Italian question raised is whin Eagles/I led not
taken her part, so mace so that even where, ea onsoaat of
the principles sled objects tossoorsod. England meld am be-
oasts directly a piny to it, alms hencoma to hays her neat
on the spot, to take fdl and fommi SW1114120) of what was
going forward. Does my noble frieledft•gett or rakenskaring
regret, the put taken by the noble viscount (Pahnemlan) la
1831, not then upon a question affecting the whole Italian
peninsula, but the Statile of the Chump, when all inept
interfered to recommend to the Pops the adoption NI effiekiet
Worms ? Does he think the noble viscount ought to banish-
stilted from concurring in that proceeding, where Europe,
collected Europe—united authoritative Europe—spoke to the
Pope words of truth and jostle* though he Lnfortunately did
not Eaten to then? Does bethink that England ought, whilst
Austria, Prussia, Rusria, and France were making to the
Pope recommeedations favourable to his people—that Eng-
land ought to have held back and said, "No, I cannot eater
into any conbence, or be entangled in any arrangements—
I cannot set with you despotic powers; I will have nothing
to do with your recommendations" P (Bear' hear.) If we
come to a subsegneet stage, when those other powers unfit-
tenately receded from their recommendations so far as to
110111101 C• in their rejection, did not the noble viscount consult
the humour and intereet4of England when he protested areinst
the rejection of those recommendations by Gregory XVI. P
And to take the case of 1866, in the congress of Paris,
nobody objected in principle to the interference of England in
Italian matters on that occasion. And here now in this
blue-boot we bare the last, the °rotating, the palpable pee-
olden; the rich result of the labours of the late administer-
**, which would be a standing • Una* ening abed to
Heaven minden my noble friend, if they were to adopt a
pinciple so irratkeal as this of absolute meensiltiem re-
to megabit any sympathies with Italy, or so ant
them ander say ,dreatornosa any esinpsratica, a refusal
Is defines silks of the dictates of remora and jeans, and of
• usNrsa mom a 'precedents fa the history of these at-
hlete. • ((haus.) The real question is net whether it be de-
sirable to eater into European negotiations, which after all
are bat ingredients for the removal or edification
of great end overpowering evils. It is net as
Idle parka ihe conferences sad congresses that would ever
lead an English statesman to comsat to houses a party he
them. The boa. and leaned gentleman (Kr. Kteglake) bee
opened a peculiar chapter on tide sunset He gave two
objections to oar eatesin the comma, one being that we
should have no setherin basses, we wen not a belligerent
patty. That would cattainly be s etrong objection if we were
to be the only party at the oongrees not a belligerent; bet if
the belli ta appealed to the neutral powers as • body,
England, es one of the neutral pewee might enter with
some solid authority, as beteg part of thsoollective authority
of Europe, which we rejoi ass thee appealed to. But
the hon. and leaned anthem also objected bemuse of the
incurable incapacity of English enteemen in these matters.
Now, I have myself no personal letervat in refuting that ann.
meat, because nothing could possibly plaoe me in that posi-
tion, bet I should be sorry to thick England could not find
a men qualified to hold his own azonget representatives
of the other great power of Enron. (Hear.) Thies ob•
potions, however, the hon. sad learned gentleman maid, were
serious, bet not insurmountable. The question then to be
conddred is not the abstract expediency of diplomatic *no-
nagons, but whether there is In this eve a clear protract or
Reasonable hope of doing good to some great portion of man-
kind. That is the real nonlica, and her Majesty's govern-
ment now entreat the Hew of Commons to lean them free
scope for its deolaiett. (Rear, hear.) The bon, and learned
gentlemen has spokes of 'Within raised by this peace
and not settled. There is the declaration that certain
sovereigns shall return to their territories what
that

Aces rare f It bee so aetheritative osestraotion,
sod for my own port Mow sot what it tea be understood
mof cael v lll.—that the petite etthearib-