The Express.
London, England, 1858-05-08 00:00:00

LONDON, SATURDAY RVENI?iG, MAY 8, 1888.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

ROUSE OF LORDS.—Fiamy, MAT 7.
no Loma CirAxcattoa took his mg upon Ms woolcock st
ac• o'clock.

THB OURS PROCLAMATION.
The Earl of ELLEN BOROUGH said that he wee sew
prepared to lay on the table of the home the proclamation of
the Oovernor-Genersi of India with regard to the kiegdoes of
Ouds, and also the despatch relating le that proclamation.
Oa looking vary ntenuy Over the latter documeat he found
that there were a few paragraphs which it would be lacorive-
Went to make public. These paragraphs would not appear,
bat their lordships might rust mewed that the subagent.. of
the despatch would be plated I. their Vie.Yarl GRANVILLE had SAM far theme pious. Memo
he thought it was important the Mall o,plsaesis Midi he
given by the government with toad 1p the 404110 OM bad
thought it right to take upon the hdOrMariM of Lord Cast-
el', go • deems& resifts
=ldlisti had heard eines the in
swim mto mine the had hem arrived at, that
the despatch had hem Is the of Indepsodeat memlens
of parliament, sad that • OWed tt had hem shows at the
laturzo Club. (Hear, homy Thesis% as the noble lord
only tbeught it right new te sae pestiese d lam deepate,
he &wettad that the gewersment had set kept the other
of it within their ens Issems. He (Lord Granvllle),
rticomma roon with their hteethijoh
_et mune only knew so
mach art the dreamless. er thaisZlealatm at hod sr
peered in the public Mae, amd at that proclamation
as It there appeared, Is earteidy moat sahlat It peened to
him scasialleat whir tha Lord Canning
had thrivashs• acrid moat add that the
to SIM WOW* • 'bong weapon in
thaPrad=reiredipmanismill, rhe of width they might
use their lime upon amp the Inhabitants of Undo who
ink% he amend to stead ont, who yet, upon a farce of
this kind being Issught lot operation against them, would
rather trust M the clemency of the government than
run the risk of the confiscation of their estates.
But what be 'Med most partioulsrly we. foie—to be under-
stood as sot is say trey venturing to wrest any approval
or 011approret ef So predmeaden—(Oppodtion cheere)—in
=rid not prevely do ea, ar he wee perfectly =ac-
id* the ey ess of the ems, maid as they
=lmilmiselid Norm of Watuados. The public
ate Amalie redemads• one seampeated by in-
eauatione trees LeefOmmag as to the mode putting it
in-
Met force. Hs pressimil that throe Inetnealiona would be
plead Wore them. It ems as icoportawl dam to know this
if the representations made in the mem were cor-
rect. It appeared, too, that eons alteration had
been made in the proclamation se it dually ap-
peared. Bat as he might be told that he did wrong
in basing observations upon statement in newspapers which
might tarn out to be entirely inonrrect, be would like the
noble earl to state whether he was wrong in what he be-
Saved to be the facto. The matter, as he believed It to ban
been stated by the Secretary of the Board of Control, stood
thus that the government had received a proclamation,
which Lord Carus*, prepared to isms. Whether or not that
prockmatien was ideatioal with what had appeared in the
nowspapen, or whether certain alterations bad been made
in it u issued, were points on which he should like to receive
information from the prorating.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUOR said that the pagers
which be now laid upon the table would show the noble earl
that the tiovernor-Gentral had transmitted to this weary
the proclamation which it was proposed to irate. The go-
vernment had no official information at to the proclamation
actually Mined, though they knew that It had been lamed.
He believed, too, that the proclamation in the public prints
was precisely identical with that which had been received by
the government.

Earl GRANVILLE certainly thought that,
the leader of the got ernment in the other bones had lid=
that the secret despatch onnveyed the dissent, in every sense,
of the government, her Majesty's mthisters had dealt
harshly with Lord Conning. (" Hear, hear," from the
opposition.) He did not wish to go prima:Lel/
into any discussion on the subject, bat be
hued it period, astonishing that a comae like the
pasent should he taken. He knew of no instance of secret
despatokes being prodnoed as it ins now proposed to perdue.
use. Only the other day the noble awl emit a de
through the secret coalmines—though the legalitylliPte
step in that pram's? cam was doubtful—for the very par
cdMh Ie eermy. [Lard BIJOU 30100011 That
referred to me event which bad not happened and
might neves happen.] He did not think that that was the
answer of the nimble earl whits die este watt mentioned before.
[Lord Don o elute= said than his noble friend then said the
matter was "to sespense.") He certainly thought that the
Roble earl could beat say what be had stated himself on a
former ocomion. (A laugh.) He should certainly, however, like
to know, it in this camethe noble earl had thought it right, In
the first place, that this despatch should go through the
secret committee, and not be placed before the Court of Di-
rectors, what had ethos occurred to make hint change that
view. (Hear, beer.) He took that occasion to remind their
lordships that from the very first Lord Canning had die-
played, under the difficult oircumatances is which he wee
placed, great firmness and just discrimination. On his
own responsibility, when the siege of Delhi was being pro-
secuted, he had directed that no negotiations should be
entered upon, but that the siege of the city should
proceed. [A Voice from the ministerial side " A
eulogy on Lord Canning.") He thought that under
the circumstances in which Lord °mufti wen now piped,
considering the effect that the statement which had hum
made in mother place wee calculated to produce, end re-
membering 010I110.8( that Lard Canning bed been made the
sebject of attack sot only out of d.on but in that house, be
only did right in rolling their lordships' attention to what hie
noble trieed had gostatosigh, and how he had acquitted
himself. (Loud opposition cheers.) When the governmeat
took office, if they desired that Lord Canning should ne
longer remain Governor-Gourd, why did they not commu-
nicate to him that wish? He was sere they would have dose
it with courtesy. They maid have told his that their pub-
lic duty required that they should ask his to mere.
But he did think that it wet net tdr ia the
gerentateut to continue Dud Caaalwir is his peel
tad at the wee time give publicity I. • direct
emetwe wpm him. Admitting that the preelemagen woe
eathedy wrong, he did not say that it mu not open to the
able earl to Mate his opinion upon it to Loa Canning ; but
to keep him in his position as Governor-Gemmel and at the
ism Rae convey to the parliament end people of England and
af laY•lh iyeandnooos6lasslwhateveriaklm.wasplacing
Lard Caning in a most position. He ir ast either
give Whim own (Whop Ow the take of the public tor he
nut take steps which at He prom* masa wadi be per
judicial to the Interette of the masa. Re_ Mari Grenville)
certainly thought that the noble earl maid act here consi-
dered that the egret of what hid tam plan tumid be to
weaken to an immure stoat the Mama in India of the
Governor- General. Re Shea* that the noble earl ought to
Mate whether it wee hie fermata that Lent Canning should
eiteen, and whether be hod meat sap provilea for reclean(
hise—isd—ar whether la tare wastemew this answer
was without any roped to its each. He also wished
to be whether than wee any either public oorreepou-
thaw thee that ea toe We relating to this subject, and if
so whether it would be preaseed.

The Pad ofDERBTLII Mother • asevernonst bad
aaradsly so nee* to camplalnthattlis _ *welts bad
taken that opportWty to pen an andeihne on Lot Clasaing,
bat be did ano pia* that the arable awl bed jam an * rue
that the noble toed bad beta the soh* er saki in that
boa* When per Ma • awl en the Mime
side they bad meld that then eel& be swine Sr
doubting the propriety of eh!~ senensk they
always ware ought not to make any ailed aging
that wide lord. (Hurl Rs wad sem Ant ths Imo
plaint that thus papas were laid ea the Mlle one with •
had grecs from he sable seef—Nar. har)--lise the nab
earl bison last alibi asprirsi himself with amok anzielp,
and premed the p4eadsee thasepapwe on the go
and was baldly 'Wheat that the paps* wen sot prtalvemooltd
ear, is seder the* a Meeneake night lair Moe* Wage the
mad west est hr Isile cm Marley as*. It wee In sw
cordeson wide that proems that be sable friend osnessial
Apia these popes an the table* the ism* et the pew*
.

Eed GRANTILL3 explsied. Re wee ad sue that
the sable seri wee is the boss led sight whin he sin-
thud this 'shied The tad we that he did ad usstits
sodil the ppm had bon prmind dims brad
(Ross hear .) Re sortalely did set kneir4elealy whet
thus were nth he bad Med the of the noble
seri h) le his pot. as the fig.
The Berl et DERBY crewed—The of the
adds seri bed sot *hoodoo it issued to him the date of
the ere. Re had puma for thus am& sew that
they were pulsed it straw thse
should tare rated end of their preisellon. He
doubt due fecouunisses woes trees the rodsetion of Me.
webs of this sums. .111111111111114 BMIM. broz," hes
the Data of .] Really the set& deb would Uwe la
opportunity of atT6rtisg He head proudly. (A iststh.)
But the isservethses led in this ere toss is a peat sees-
sue Mood by the puede, d peidur, willed sides es
wit la this le is the ether lasses audio= is the ,ed
seat. (Clem) At the side limo, be wadi moil them le.
meshed whet use the theuestems A preshustion
apposed is the pubis *arm& As haseasehde
mobs emu dews M the ether hoes end inked
whether the grownwest bed rushed that preelauselos
sod whet
as h bed bees poi firesod wild the ettessusses of
tie arrerraseni. What the pedissier words sod by his
right bon. Mind the Moeller ed ths liseherin woes IMP did
sot Yam ow bird wale Ist Maly la order he le
Is
say. Dm he thessitt it ma hope id ler Id
eisere's
=ILto nimbi trod Isgaraise their *plaice with re-
sheredar awl setae of this prosidesiss.
(Mous) Let the bow drum whet the peelandies
was It was • to be bowed at the ossalseles
ad a asseemstal pie* the espied of Odle, de.
*alai did fuse theft thee dr whole of Use Medd pee.
pablie but *YOB property— withla the insides of
Onde stathoodel te the writes of the weirs The
lemeared wr admil diddled dry spgewnd at this it

match. Their um= was that they hiell remived a eery if
the prosithwilion se it was about to be, hosed three meth
1110, mod thee they thought it their impurative duty to ex-
pries ibitherfth thernew with regard to the pokey of that
proclanathe, of which he vestamed essay he had not altered
hie opiates. that k wee most irepothis sad *urine to the
pt tin =Mee (Others.) Bet whines sable eat emu to
read the dualleit while mireme had been needs he
meld me that ensue= bad bees aside fur
the podden of Lord Omni, ; Nth that, although
tiny sepssmsd tii spikes area that despalsh, they did
not tele epee threedess the reepensibilley of euelling it,
but nve7 Wifif•ad lima here tile la paella the =verity ot ,
that ismer" skit eb ammiorated. Their lonlehips out
se* that thew the • bread std u- dieltheeles hawses
the morlacias guy sad the people of Oath. (Cheese.) The
revolt of the easy wee sae Width and be Mowed by Out*
severity. The revolted the people et Oude ONION eiryoid
leastion, eat of a doubtful policy white this eireftery had
yarned. It was not the rebellion at these who lied sates
~breed ; it was the rising of those who etweiderth tag as
their oesquare. It we plain that there we a peat differ-
s.= hewer those who were rebellious enbjems seed those
eZniZi7it revolted hone us, were loped to hie wham they
lie* sovereign. (Hein hoar.) In ISO au
the pudgier= due was that winch was deo to tramoth; in
the other, ft was rather tbe residue= which should in on
• orequed theria. He Mew no imams in win& a che-
quered ret4 had hem visited with forfeits= of the Miele—
with bet t emerillons—ef their property to the emu.
(Hu.) I it we awful that seder wit ehenesahmeee •
people shield saw= they enthesse to be delves Withers-
tion. • means eheeld be died= =then lhr =Wettish,
peace with the goverserwit. Had the Mu of the pro-
clustion of the aside laid been precisely the wine
of whet they were-bed that white was the nth been
their the exathtion sad that which wee the
tins the rule—he Wail net have Woofed int
If proclamation bad thee made in the first Indus& that the
government were ready to view with indulgence those who
bed been induced to revisit =mind their will, and to restore
their property, provided they would at onos submit to the
clemency of the government, and promise and to the
sovereign; bat that. oa the other hand, those who continued
is revolt must expect an forbearance, but to see their pro-
perty confiscated, the Governor-Gentral would have held oat
to the inhabitants of Gude an Ind ucement to come in end mann
to hie authority. Bat he thought that the taking the other
course, of driving men to desperation, woe the cow= the
most calculated to protract the struggle; became men who
had nothing to trust to but their arms, were hardly likely to
give in to a proclamation ; and therefore he thought the
goverment would have failed is their duty, If they
allowed this proclamation to reach than without
intimating their opinion spat it ; and they had
done nothing more than express a hope that the
Governor-General would see the necessity of mltigatroug the
threat of wholesale confisostlon, which the proclamation held
out. That was the course the government had pursued. It
was unfortunate that this question should have been edted,
sad a demand suddenly made for the production of the paper
their, bat be thought it would have heat impossible to EAU'S,'
the public mind if the government in this country had
segleeted its duty in the interest of humanity, or if they had
let It to be supposed that they had emanated or oconented
to a proclamation, .presently confiscating the rights of those
whose crime was, 1:10t that they had been in mutiny,
but that they had been in arm. against us.
The noble lord opposites, in the early pan of his
observations, adverted to what he (the Earl of Derby)
had said upon the clemency which Lord Canning was sup-
posed to have exhibited to the &a ye; bat the noble earl
would do him the justice to moonset that Lord Canning
afterwards offered an explanation of his policy; and that be
plainly and candidly avowed that he considered the expla•
nation en given removed the imputation previously cast upon
him. But what be (Lord Derby) complained of here was
that Lord Canning did not appear to draw a distinction
between mutinous &pop and the people of Dade; that he
treated men who had been guilty of a comparatively lower
offeace In the same meaner that he dealt with men convicted
of the highest crime known to the law. The noble earl asked
whether the government bad recalled or intended to recall
Lard Canning. They bad no such intention, sad
the answer sent so the despatch was studiously
worded, in order than Lord Canning should not
ocessider it as impoidng upon him the necessity of resigning
the office he hold'. Oa the contrary, the government had
not event given ft as their desire that the proclamation should
be recalled, bat had mody morale= a hope that in acting
upon it the almost predble Waimea ought to be shown to
the people of Cade. He alight say oleo that the same view
appeared to have ocamed to Lord Cawing himself, for sub-
=meetly to sendim home the proclamation he so amended
the last paragraph as to make It appear that he intended to
modify itsseverity of his owasooord ; and he gladly took
that omortmity of sapy=tu.this
. T:Lra :to doubt that modified the original
Lord Canning in his own mind reserved to Mean
the power of materially modifying the severity of
the sentence; but unfortunately, as regarded the
people of Dade, *het mitigating spirit was not made
known to them. They were only told of wholesale condors-
tins, and that being made known to them was calculated to
protract rather than shorten the struggle. The cheese in
the proclamation. however, may since have done away with
the injurious; ooneequenoes which could not otherwise but
have been anticipated to flow from the issue of the
original proclamation, and he regretted that at the mut
mount this coneepondence should have been prematurely
brought Leeward. After what had loused, he was ante their
would see the propriety of the government only
laylag upon the table a portion of the letter, ea there were
urn of it electing the interest of India that It would not be
advisable to disclose. The noble earl opposite had no doubt
sees the satire despatch, and if so, he was sure the noble earl
would meow with him, when he said the government were
a sound discretion in laying on the table only
extracts the deepuh. (Rear, beer.)

The Doke of ARGYLL °barred that while the noble•
earl wbo had jest eat down had eipnewed a deoided opinion
upon the merits of Lord Canning's policy, his noble friend
behind him had earehdly abstained from expreedng any
opinion upon it, as that question was not then boimo the
Uwe. What their lordabips ought to keep in view was the
exams of conduct which the government had punnet towards
the (Hear.) It had bees asisrlad over
in t•

--vverw-trimeeel. (Itim) It bad net. ....
and over agate, not only Ia dot bat the other boas eel par-
liament, that the gomenemat of India mut ErWy
melds in India; that wee to eay, that the govern-
ment of India nog the mitre at the Who people
moat mainly ilepeall *pm 'the ebliers sod
of the goverment Yam What a eomment lits"
dbeamaion upon that datiehee which bad lopsidedly
received the assent et Ms On the int octagon
that the Gewerasr bawl a proclamation idler that

asset, to refsranos to width there 'Sight be scene difference
of opinion, the government at boom takes the opportunity of
throwing over the Governor-General—not mereli expressing
dins* to his policy but throwing him over in the most
offensive meaner. (Hear, beer) How could we conduct
our Indian empire if its government was to be regulated in
such a manner me that f The noble earl had taken no notice
of the fact that the despatch posed through the secret com-
mittee and was kept SIM the Court of Directors. It had
been in the hands of Wade members of parliaises&_and yet
it was kept bolt gnuths Cast elDireotass What was
the worn taloa by an hss. masker in sarAbsr pima?
Ha gets np end see wilailes peedentsillia)ne been
tamed ander loatavolkas bra lits pooriangt se brow A
=inleter of the aroma. oho represeats As Pik earl
the President of do Board of Control, gbas
;siodwate
gasser• and, disk la
gersum to a further s etlll
higher ambersnm er
sot
tip to
the Drilla prams* UPI ths policy thes
al bell bps seadossi k wiry seam
lovhig pored this &spa& Ihroogh the writ Ili
comee•led It boa re Court of D.
asonosiol with ths samostba diab
to lira is thelltst histgait. Proind
eepeassicetiag It to do sf
eiCamines; sad than tat Vag .1011101111. °gm
totem those iodpsolsoi =Wpm aos ghs is
the sooner in 'lda the prodasodso Zd rem lot
asseanced to the Sore of Comems. was a course
more likely to Meg Ws ecstasy* tbe of the
Geoeroor- Geolgol rhea that which hod be sighol ny the
peonserot p (Huse.)

?be SA of iLLIINBOROUGH sad the scale duke
= fladdmit with his gm not bairiag sods this
Laws bee Coati et Miele= j it never would
is,. boon made knees et ail bad sot the proclusatka been
nob pails. TL letter .sat to the Governer Genera re-
am' ady Is • palmier prism Es was is buss doe,
bola lad resent that Lord Cana*/ would not bens the
In do twas I. whit& it was dirt haus, sad
Ctralpreelnastion set been issued fa than true, the
later sever weld law been ands knows. It would lave
rewind perheal sant Mat Apposed a the noble duke's
11:ea=en. His next shard. woo tbet sone rheas
was fa possenion of this Wee. The tuba sari
eliplabs OrasaHe) Ina puesseNa or * ; be
=d to lave It crywassiosted to WU, sad yet he
ant that °seamy which bad been psrlbraed towade
Ideas° amen not be pribrend anybody els
vb. MST he equally isteneted limbs Indian of
balk then* not steady interested in ate weave
el Lard Oember. Tim wee seemed that the
bug wee aided Surly towards Lord
Qtss _ . Via was set ready amiss, the noble
sat,
sat, throe wales ad* antreseed his apprebtaion et a mast
Maw Sued is is bale, sal wide* wee uneidesed
He lane be be alublied to give mining sappert ft Lad
°langur. The plias* MI data is dad Wass we, that
He untlasse•Libiteil be nested wlHsMsay, add Hs at-
unmet atls..ileught it as esiSa
..pilsabie is He
anditiesif Mau WWI did HatWby eta
"re en appetse tint, übsserwr seen an* beat
amok I nutsid Is mit. in pusiduent.
retire UMW 'rallies table
a seneay wide& bas deemed ter wrirleilb4•7s
rift bar. am era vbili tau
ram tbe sappenku end 0116
sinus Ulan asespul beta itegiveaan nideallas of
peaiimmui ar haw aosakilhet bate 1 *limb kW-