The Express.
London, England, 1859-08-12 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 12, 1859,

IMrE itl AL FARL laidlo4 T.

HOUSE OF LORDB.—THIISDAY, Auoun 11.
The holm eat at An o'clock, the Low) Cmaxcat.Loa
Pr7.!idiall• _

Visc7Lit DUNGANNON persisted Whims from the
Royal Connate of Phyokaans and Ramona of Ellaburet
against the Medical Aga Amendment Bal.
The Ron of ROMNRY prameand • petition against Ow
abolition of chorea MM.

The Berl st SHAFTESBURY prassuesd several petitions
agaicat dot Charleans Torso Cootteasace Bill, and against
the ezdadon of ti. Bible hoot maroon In
The Marquis of NORMANBY resented a petition from
the chief constable of Newesollo•npoo-Tyne, preying for
item alteration la a hill relating so aliPeraa"""l""
Tin Earl ILLEN BOROUGH said that the bill had
already vaned. (A laugh.)
L tM WODIHOUSE presented actual petitions in &roar
of winnow an* dessiesd viAls sister.
Th. following bilis poosid through committee:—Con-
solidation Fund (Appropriation) Bill, Stamp Duttes Bill,
Castoon (No.
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BART INDIA LOAN BILL.
The Duke et ARGYLL made a statement on the present
shale of the Indian nuances, similar to that made by fir C.
Wood is the Howe of Commack One arse el pleasure, be
eberrved, amid surrounding difficulties, yea that the revenue
of ladle bed been forressing annually, and had not even
deceseend lanai the year of the mutiny He could not agree
with nom wile, eager to reduce expimdithm, advocated the
dismenebonnist of India or the emancipation of the smaller
presidemeles hem the nand control of Calcutta, nor did he
Oink we should aufilideotly meet the difficulty by reducing
tits rides of the civil servants. The only source of redue-
tin wee in military expeaditure, which could be the more
readily elected, as we bad no longer any foes to contend:
with la India. By jodicioos reductions in the army, by die-
analog the people, end by forbidding them to cut artillery,
be comidered that the expesditure of India might be reduced
to the poiat at which it wind before the mutiny.
Lord ELLENBOROUGE supported the hill se big
idenitieal with on. be bed formerly himself proposed, eel
bemuse he did sot think the estimated revenue be tbe
coming year would be reillesd. Deprecating emeemly Y.
gate. et
being
in ladle. I.l7:.`h.rts rts al=
government on their manifest desire to apply a cure to the
present evil by the appointment of Mr. Wilson as a kind of
etuumellor of the exchequer. The remedy for these evil. did
not consist in increasing taxation, but in diwiniebiag ex-

Ltted LYVEDEN could not separate the political from
the demonist eintemon of India. The deficiency of the
Indian manias had long struck him with alarm, and he had
always attributed it to the ezieteoce of the double govern-
ment, which, although nominally abolished, still existed.
The only meths for bringing about s better state of thiegs
the by redathe the civil ae well as the military expendinue,
by mincing the number of Indian councillor. to sin,
sod by inputs frisk taxes upon the natives of India. If
there measures wild b• carried out he saw no reason for
looking despondingly at the future of India.
The tell was Shea pried through committee.
A coaverestiou tees wend between the Deka of donee-
errand Lord Eu.sneozocon oa the passion of the Re-
sins Volunteer Foree of demos Bill throuth committee,
dation which the Dub of Bunnies explained the object of
the tall.

EUROPEAN TROOPS (INDIA) BILL.
The Duke ef ARGYLL having moved the mecca reading
rands big,
The of Era ELLENBOROUGII rejoiced that ber Me-
Majesty's government had come to the conclusion that it wam
aecerary a heat • local army of royal troops is India. That
army should, La his opinion, be of sufficient amount to
maintain sell-respect and t t mike itself respected by others.
As regraded the recent mutiny of British tromps in India he
could sot help regretting that the Indian government
did sot at once explra to the mast the real state
M' the rase, believing that if they hid done so, what was so
bramitabla would not have occurred. It raw amorality not
rarely to act with justice towards the troops, but to tusks
that onderstand that you did so.
The bill was then read s wooed time and pared through
coeunitra.

PEERAGES IN ABEYANCE.
Lord REDE3DALE called the attention of the house to
lb. subject of yewyw in abeyance. The noble lord said he
regretted that ths change of government had preveniad any
step from being taken la the matter; but be sae rill of
opinion that the question see one requiring consid►ration,
and that comet hing aboold be done to prevent an unnecessary
occupation of the tiros which should be devoted to judicial
boatems
Their lordahips adjourned at 10 minutes to 8,

HOUSE OF COMMONB.—THOWIDAY, Auourt 11.
Th. Bruer' took the chair at 2 o'deek.
NEW MEMBER.
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Mr. Barnum took the oaths and hes nit far Taunton, in
the Waft of Mr. Laboucbere mused to the peerage. The hon.
numb.? wee introduced by Colonel laylor and Str W.
JoIlt&e.

PRIVATE BILLS.
The Lords' antasdruents to the Midland Railway and Btu-
ton-.pan-Treat Bridge BM were roneidered sad agreed to.
The Pseantatlo Despatch Company Bill was teed a thud
time and pared.

BTAFF OF THE ARMY.
Copula VERNON gave notice that early next weeks
he would out atter los to the matt of the army with a view
toil:het a redaction to that branch of expenditure.

THE BUILDERS'
Mr. B. lAMBS allied the Secretary of State for the
Howie Deperusest. whether he had any objection to state to
the hoses the object and the result of a cooterence held with
Ids by • deptatantan of the Central Amadeu= of Muter
Haddam* Tuesday lest, upon the subject of the beildene
strike end alas home niontoleat

hit G. C. LEWDA deputation of master builders had
an Weerview with zee at the Hems °Sloe, two
days age. They stand their object in apply-
lag for the interview was to explain the gn.unde
om which differences bad arises between themselves
and the working seen of these trades. They made a state-
Meat skewing the reasons which had determined their con-
duct. and also expreseed an opialos, in whirh I did not
caeca:, that it WY denealde that either this hoses of per-
hairnet or her Modesty's government should take some pert
in arbitrating between the rowers and the men, with the
new of Wowing about an socommodinise between. them.
The opinion I expreesed wee. that I thought the House of
Comma's admirably fitted for pelf *ming its proper func-
tion., but that 1 thought one of the mesas by which the
house maintained its character end authority in this
country and in the world was by not undertaking those
WA' for which It wee not Stud, and that I thought it wee
singularly unfitted ro arbitrate in dieputee between mater
and the men. (lies:, hear.) 1 also and that the executive
inverament. though not so very unsuited, bad not the kn..-
Wee nr Siesta for that function, and that therefore ; mold
not hold out any expectation that the executive government
would undertake spy such ones.

ELBC TION COMPROMISES.
Mr. GRIFFITH .eked the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer whether or not it was Ms Intention, on the pat of
tris government, to grant the stevardship of the Chiltern
Hundred', or any other appointment. commonly employed to
vacate a seat in the Howe of Commons, to any member
against whose return ■ petition is wire pendia', previous to
or during the period of the rooms, and before the re-aesses-
Win of parliament next serrios.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he mi-
derstood the question of the hon. gen.leame to be intended
to express or at reed teat an opinion that in any Case whores
petition was pi nding, and where the etewardship of the Mail-
tern Hundred. weir applied far, it would be the duty of the
Chaectilar a the Excbequer to refuse the application on that
Staple ground. He wee bound to say he did not take that
view of the defy of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
be thought be would neither be bound or Dunned in
refusing the Chiltrrn Hundreds on that ground alone. This
'settee had been seneal times referred to, and be
thmight the question proceeded on • tuiaapprehenaion
of the duty of the Chancellor of the Excluquir.
The holm had always shown the utmost and
nest just jr.4OWl In esy metier affecting the
election of its membere, end reserved to itself exclusive
juriedicAion, and his belief was the house would resent ex-
. rremely any isterter.nce from any quarter, and especially
from • member of the executive government who should
mums to himself any new and unusual discretion with re-
gard to the resigestme of its members. He thought the
decides hal been correctly laid down yesterday by the
Chaeeellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Bir 0. Grey), who
sal/ It was for the hum itself to consider then matter, and
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was not entitled,
sad was not fit to consider it, unless these were
Dome patent fate to give him • Incas stand'.
Members applying for the Chiltern Hundreds were
not anceetonied to state their rearms for doing so, sod
would, be thought, resent as unantborired any inquiry on
the point by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He had not
the machinery for making the 110010111 t• inquiries, nor WM be
is • 1/0140011 to impartial with regard to members sitting
an different side. of the house, as to make it all certain that
there would Le confidence In his exercise of the power were
it entreated to him. la his opinion the basin...a or the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer to interpose was limited to occasions,
in which the house tied( bysome formal am, or some member
of the bow, te his place by some submantive mother, gave
him an racers forauependieg hie formal, and, surely speak-
ing, medemdal function, with regard to the appointreeet to
time offices.

for inealedly" but fur totally end effectually pantry% the
water to the Serpentine. There had .bare a gnus deal of
misepprebenelon on the subject. Two questkes were mind
up I ember—the mud at the bonne, and the water davit
Hoeountble gentleman Ind conaidered there two subjects
as identically the same, but they were totally independent
*leech other; end if by the plea he proposed he should
snored in ening et. perfectly demand limpid character to
the water, the mud haying lest its organic power would no
knew none any unities gates, and would ones to be a
noimMee and a worts of ilbitealthto the lahabitents of the
neekboothood. He proposed to deal with the water of dm
lierpendne, but nut wok the end. He 'believed the
estenale be had proposed would be sufficient to carer
out hie object of effectually demising the water, and so
allarding an effectual remedy for the nuisance. It would to
dome foe 17,00 W , whereof the other remedy applied to the
mai Medd eon 70,0004 With regard to the nuisance likely
to 101 misted there was nestles misipprenesion; hon. gen-
tlemen talked of the eyesore of a steam engine at Albert-
gate; that was as entire mistake. He roily proposed to put
up • mall asenental building at the Bayswater fed. It
wee also said shot the filtering beds would cover luny wee,
sad be • permanent nuisance to the neighbourhood; where.'
the wkolu area required to alter 2,000,000011 mm a day
wield be Wes-fourths of en acre, and the preen would not
weepy mien than three or four hours a deft and would not
otmerion any settoyanee or bad smell whether the beds were
la operates or not. The clear water would return to the
ever, and the rehire water would be driven isdo the Bays•
water ewers. The coat of the engine would r 4 vary small
Indeed. The power required to rain IEO,OOO seller= 10 feet
is an hour was 4-horse. He proposed to have two engine
of 10 bores-power each. Theorist of coal would not exceed one
PIMA Par dey, and the cemparisen made with the I
nen of the New Rine *Etch wee required to rah. the I
water le • Mtn level, was mitre ly out of place. With regard
to the water of the. Serpentine itself,
he Real that it cos-
seined only 2i grams of organic matter per gallon, a quan-
tity lees then is found in the weer supplied to the inhabit-
ants of the metropolis fie thinking purposes. He bad fully
wondered the plan; it Ind been approved of by the highest
I engineering skill, sad he had not the 'lighten doubt the
' result would be to tender the water perfectly pore end clear.
Mr. CLAY mid that as the same of the hon. member for
' Whitby (Mr. Stephensoo) had been mentioned in connexion
with his plan, be should like to know his opinion of it.
Mr. STEPHENSON roes, but was interrupted by
Kr. ROEBUCK, whit rose to order.
The SPEAKER said this by the practice of the house,
questions might only be addressed to minimare of the none
oe members henna nesenree pending before the house.
Mr. CONINOHAM, le order to gin the hon. meeker for
Whitby her
opportt of the hunity of speaking, begged to move the ad-
journmenouse.
Mr. ROEBUCK asked whether the bon. tonne web*
week to any otter question than the adjournment. The SPEAKER said the house reserved to itself the
power of moving the adjourameet even oe the qesstion, but
it was • very manual then to do so, and if ponovered Is
meat being tee business of the house to a end still.
Mr. ALCOCK seoosded the motion for the adjouniment.
He thought it would bs unwise for the bons to repent*
without arriving et eine solution of this quedion. The water
of the Serpentine was sometimes, especially In the afternoon.
downright pestiferous. Ho believed the plan proposed
would set offset its object; Lord Llanover had sueneded
completely in cleaning the water in St. James's, and
soy person might now smoke a cigar in comfort on the
Mdse. lie feared the right hon. gentleman, the pretest
Commie' toner of Works, we. meddling with what he did en
understand; end by his stupid obetioncy—(order, order)—
wouid loos all the credit he had obtained for energy In ether
cakes, and bring discredit on the neatness: and himself,
by pursuing a conies which would bring detriment to the
perk ad to London.
Mr. P. O'BRIEN considered that it wee desirable to hays
the nickel of the hon member for Whitby on the abject;
be would have been ebbs to give it, and this irregular die-
ensaion would have terminated long b-fore, bat for the inter-
ruption of the bon: member for Sheffield.

Mr. STEPHENSON wee happy to respond to the in-
vitation to give his °pinks on the Serpentine. He had been
ta the habit of visiting the place for natty years, and had
watched closely its went of purification. He had held the
office of one of the Commissionere of &weer, and had devoted
Itie etiolation a good deal to the means of excluding tom the
staine the sewage of Bayswater, which went into it foe-
siterly to a large extent; at that time be felt there was some
smell arising from it, but for the lad few years, say four or
five, there had keen a very undue amount of excitement re-
specting the Serpentine. (Hear, bar.) He drove past it
tyke • day, and and rode there oecasionelly for
ease bona and never found, for the last three
or four years, &aphis( on hie olfactory nerves
Mat would lead him to coincide in the outcry that
was made. (Hear, bear.) He believed it we. entirely ea-
founded—(hear, bear); but whethrr it was °Missive or not—
it may have been so, hat to the beat of his judgment it now
was not)—supposing, however, it was Impure, the question
was how to levity it. It we. a stagnant lake. The other
day, driving along the shores, he saw than throwing lime
Into it; the result wee that he saw some dead fish floating cn
the airfare, giving rise, aliments, to Massed ofessivespedem
of decompositMet. (Hear, bear.) In all lakes nature pro-
vidrd a sort of equilibrium; there were the al-
gesesous plants, which were fed on by the small
animals, which in turn were fed on by the large:
they did that, therefore' with the Serpentine which
they otight not to have done; by putting in Mae they
killed the large animals, which fed on the small, and I
thus rendered it more polluted than before. The ease was
very different with the Thames. He did not denytbeve might
be an advantage in pouring lime Into • tidal river, where the
mess was swept oweveey six or sight hours ; bat he was
now arguing with regard to • lake which bad no supply of
water except the small drainage from the sides, sad which
was just sufficient to meet the evaporatios, end no more. He
matatalned that to throw anytkiag poisasette into • lake
was entirely contrary tondo:Vs proms of ceasing an equili-
brium between mimed sod vegetable life. With regard to
Mr. Hawksley's plan, it was an engineering subject, on
which he trusted he might venture to give an speaks.
(Hear, hear.) He would admit, toe !Masks of argument,
though he did not believe it, that the Serpentine was
in the disreputable state which was said—(bmar, Deer)—be
distinctly denied that it was ; but supposing that it wail, the
goodie' was, what was the bat mode of getting rid of It. He '
believed Mr. Hiarkeley'e plan was that of creating an arti-
ficial stream, ioatead of • natural one. If they had a natural
stream, flowing in from we vide and oat at the other, the
lake would be perfectly healthy; but es they had not,
they should consider what meat. were at their commend for
treating an artificial one. He believed there was only one,
and that was the plan 'negated by Mr. Hawbeky, by
pumping up • large quantity of water, drawing It out at
one end, and thereby away from the other. (Sr J. PAXTON :
It dos not.) It does : water could net be pumped out
at one end of • lake without drawing It away from
the other. He had • great respect for hie hon. hisses
opinion as a matter of taste, bat with regard to engineering
he had not much confidence. lila hon. friend said there was
na use In pumping out water at the Bayswater gad and
{{oaring it in there again. (" Hear, hear," from Sir J.
PA [TOY.) There waeirvery use in it. The water could not
be pumped out and then sent In again without creating •
difference in the level of the wear, and that would crate a
current from end to end, and he believed the calculation was
that the whole body of water would be changed in about
two minutes. Fear and a half bore, power would raise
2,000,000 gallons • day 10 lira high. By doing that they
must alter the level while they pumped it out or in, and if
the level of the water was raised at the Bayswater end it most
flow down to the Albert-gate end. With regard to thefiltering
bed he had no apprelmasion whatever ; he believed Mr.
Hawkaley's plan was the best, and a most unexceptional
plan. Supposing the Serpentine to be offensive—which he
did sot admit—he believed It wee • simple and effectual one
to cure it.

Mr. NEWDEGATE complained of the coons taken with
regard to thte Charitable Trusts Act Continuance Bill. There
wee a distinct underetanding yesterday that it would be
planed first on the orders of the day, bet it now stood
Sir O. C. LEWIS said tha bill referred to did in effect
stand ant. S. the orders before it were merely formal.
Sir J. PAXTON said he would be the last man to set
himself tip no • point of engineering skill against his has.
friend (Mr. ton), who in that respect stood first in the
world ; but this was not entirely a matter of engineering.
He was quite sure the plan proposed would not answer ; he
understood at let that it wee intended to pump the water
out at one end, and them, after (Uterine it, throw it in at the
other. That would make a stream ; but to pour it beck
again when It was taken out would n'.t alter the lever etb
of an inch. He agreed with his hon. Mead that the fidt
ought not to be killed—they were the boot filters ; but Mr.
Hackney's plan proposed to matinee throwing the liras ht.
Mr. B. JAMES maid that when two such authorities as
the members for Whitby and Covesttrryy disagreed some
allowance ought to be made for the Commimloser of Works;
and he certainly did not deserve the tannage applied to him
by the hon. member for Bast Surrey (Mr. Aback). Every
one agreed that the Serpentine required periling—the only
quotation was a. to the mode of corrylag it oat. The right
hoe. gentleman the Commissioner of Works seemed to
have taken advantage of the hest seginserieg skill, and the
matter might safely he left in his hands.
Mr. SCULLY took a personal interest In this matter, be-
cause be resided close to the Serpentine. He had observed
its condition for the last two years, and be could not sub-
scribe to the opinioe that It wan not in an offensive state.
Its ortedision appeared to him to be worse than that of the
Thames. He agreed, however, with the hon. member Is,
Whitby in condentieng the nee of the lime, ite he had sees
unloads of putrid Salt carried atm from tbe lake, and who-
ever wee respossible for the proardloß ought to be promeented
by the Society foe the Prevention of Cruelty to Ashes's. (A
laugh.)
Sir 6 M. P ETO felt no hesitatlon whatever In pronoun-
-I'2 la favour of t
bees dopted tys cfsierlzejtshl.lity of tlestartlllkt
outplaial had been made about the dangers of the Win
tine to bathers. Now, for the mere coot of sun .or
6001. auMcieet specs could be levelled off fee the nee of
bathers who could not swim. It was well knows that
swimmers preferred deep water. Yoe waill *a hams