The Express.
London, England, 1867-10-08 00:00:00

THE BLOOMSBURY MURDER.

PROCEEDINGS AT BOW-STREET POLICE COURT.

Shortly before 2 o'clock yesterday the prisoner Groves
was placed at the bar.
Mr. Warner Sleigh asked that the witnesses who bad
not been exnolined should be out of court, a course which
be observed he should not adopt in ordinary cases.
Upon all the witnesses leiving the court except Inspector
Thompson, of the detective force, the *Meer in charge of
the coon, who hid been examined on the former occasion,

Mr. Warner Sleigh then requested that the inspector alao
should be out at court.

Inspector Thompson accordingly left the court.
Mr. Poland observed that as the learned magistrate
was not present at the first examination of the prisoner
on this charge, he thought it advisable to re-state the
circumstances. He proceeded to give • summary of the
facts as proved at the last examination. He observed
that when the prisoner was confronted with Dl'Donnell
the latter sad the person who shot him was a taller man
than the prisoner ; and also the witness Farber said that it
was a person taller than the prisoner, and that it was
clear the primmer was not identified by either of them.
Moreover, he was informed that the third bandsman,
Hitching', would not be able to identify the prisoner. It
was also fair to say that though an impression had existed
in the minds of the police that the bullet which fell from
the body of M'Donnell, and with which no doubt the
wound was inflicted, would fit the pistol found at the pri-
soner's lodging*, it had been examined by a gunsmith,
who would show conclusively that it would not fit, the
ball having five grooves, whereas the pistol bad three. On
the other hand, a witness would be called who
would show that he was at Mrs. Byrne's about the
time when the prisoner left the house, and that' be
(the prisoner) was one of two persons who at that time
went away in the direction of Vernon-place. The prisoner
had stated that be was at that time on his way home
from Mrs. Byrne's, and though Vernon-place was not in
the direct road, it could hardly be said to be much out
of the way. There was no doubt that • most cowardly
murder had been committed, and it was certainly desir-
able that every effort should be made to clear it up by
bringing forward all evidence that could be obtained,
whether favourable or unfavourable to the prisoner. He
apprehended that if he established the facts he had indi-
cated he should be justified in asking for time for further
investigation. At present he could not go into the other
charge against the prisoner for assaulting the man
Buser. It was clear that the latter had sus
Mined an injury, which he said was inflicted
by the prisoner with a loaded cane. The surgeon who
had examined the wound was out of town, and his evi-
dence was very material, as the gravity of the
would greatly depend on the extent of the inju:4rillet
would be therefore no injustice to the prisoner to remand
him on that charge also. Before proceeding with fresh
evidence he now proposed to recall the witnesses examined
os the former occasion, in order that Mr. Warner Sleigh
might have an opportunity of hearing their evidence read
over, and of putting any questions to them if he should
think proper to do so.
Henry Furber, on his last statement being read over by
Mr. Humphries (the second clerk of the court), in answer
to Mr. Poland, said they were all in plain clothes. He was
in the Turk's Head two or three minutes. They merely
asked for a pint of cooper, and were refused. They went
into the last compartment. Several persons were there,
but he did not know how many. He took no notice of the
other compartments. He heard no conversation there.
Vernon-place is the first turning on the left, and leads
Into Bloomsbury-square. He was on the right-hand side
of M'Donnell when they were pushed in Vernon-place.
He noticed no one in front or behind. They did not run
after anyone. M'Donnell ran across Bloomsbury-square,
and then tamed round and said, "1 sun shot." He saw two
objects before him, but he turned towards Russell-equate.
He thought he saw two objects to the left. He would not
swear. He saw two men on his left as he was falling
down. He went 200 yards up Southampton-row, and
spoke to • cabman, and then immediately went went back
to M'Donnell. He should think it was past 1 o'clock. He
left other persons in the compartment of the Turk's Head.
Had been to the hospital since M'Donnell's death, but
had not seen bim.

Cross-examined by Mr. W. Sleigh—Before he was
shoved he had seen no one at all. He did not know the
name of the place where he saw the cabman. Outside
Mrs. Byrne's he saw two or three cabs. The shove nearly
pushed him over; it knocked him on one side. He was
not at Weston's, but not M'Donnell at the Bull and
Anchor at a little before 12. He remained there till he
went to Mrs. Byrne's. He thought that there were
several women and men at the latter place.
By Mr. Vaughan—He did not notice, any of the persons
in the compartment. He did not see any person C7Ollll
the street to Vernon-place. He could not judge what was
the size of the person who shoved him. He should say he
was taller then himself. One was half a head taller than
the other. He thought the shorter man was dark. It
was momentary ; he had no time to look. There was •
light near. He could swear to one having a long light
beard. He could say nothing with regard to the other.
Augustus Hitchin said that he was a bandsman in the
2nd LifeCluards, and on Friday night week he was playing at
the Lyceum Theatre. He then went to Weston's Music
Hall. He got to Weston's at 20 minutes to 12. He met
Edwin M'Donnell. He asked me not to go away while he
went to the Bull and Anchor. He waited half an hour for
him. He then went to the Bull and Anchor. That place
is in the main street. He found M'Donnell and Ferber
there. They remained till five minutes to one o'clock, and
with some of Ferber's friends went towards the Turk's
Head. Three of them want into the smallest compoi-
ment at his request—they were Farber, M'Donnell, and
himself. They were refused beer, and there were about
seven or eight in the compartment. That, he should
think, was without themselves. He asked for a pint of
"cooper." and was refused. They ultimately left the
house. They had no disturbance or quarrel whatever. He
saw some cabs outside. When M'Donnell was shot he
went in the cab with him to the hospital.
Cross-examined by Mr. W. Sleigh—He knew no one
about, neither in the compartment nor anywhere else.
From the noise of the talking he should imagine that
there were other people in the other compartments.
William Bowles—l am • hackney carriage driver, No.
4,992, and lived 10, Claremont-place, Euston-road. On
Friday night, Sept. 27, I was at Mrs. Byrne's, Task's
Head, in Southampton-row. There was another cabman
with me. He had his cab outside. It was about half-
past 12 when I went into the house, or getting on for one
on Saturday morning. We went into the left hand coin-
pertinent, the one nearest Holborn. There were • number
of persons there, and strong words ware used about
Fenian'.

Mr. Warner Sleigh said that did not apply as evidence
against the prisoner, for it was not proved that he was
present.
Mr. Vaughan did not know as yet bow far it was in-
tended to apply against the prisoner. He should certainly
admit it for the present.
The witness was then asked what was said.
Mr. Warner Sleigh objected to this also. Nothing that
was said could affect the prisoner unless he was present,
and had some share in or control over the conve: salon.

Mr. Poland said what was said would not be evidence,
but the fact of a conversation, and its nature, was evidence.
The witness said he could not remember what was said.
It was something about Fenianism, and I said that is
strong language. I went out, leaving my Mend inside.
In Southampton-row I saw a cabman of my acquaintance,
named Elston, who asked me to go back and get him a
pint of beer, to pay for which he gave me • 3d. pieoe. I
got him the beer, and, after he drank it, I took back the
pot. When I came out there were five men outside, and
one of them—the prisoner-pushed against me. I called
him • counter-jumper, and the prisoner said, " You have
got a broken nose, I will put it straight for you." I said
to the others, " Stand on one side," and when I got
room I squared to fight him, which was what an English-
man ought to do. (A laugh.) This man and one other
went away, and the three others came back and wanted to
pick a quarrel with me. I said I did not want to quarrel
with them, and I got upon Elston's cab, and he drove me
away. The three men went away towards Vernon-place,
and the other two men went away in the same direction.
Elston drove me round to the corner of Southampton-
street, in Holborn, just by the district post-office. I went
to the prison on Tuesday, and saw the prisoner amongst
50 or 60 other persons, and at once identified him.
Cross-examined by Mr. Warner Sleigh—l have been •
cab driver for about 22 years. The reason I had not my
cab with me was that I was out of • situation. I have been
out • fortnight to-day. I had been in the employment of
Mr. Flint, of Tavistock.mews ; no, of Chenies-mews. Was
discharged by him for coming late to work. Previously to
that was last in the employment of Mr. Warren, where I
left from illness. I was out about • week between leaving
Mr. Warren and going to Mr. Flint. I was laid up about
a fortnight.
Mr. Warner Sleigh—Then you went to work in the very
middle of your ?
The witness appeared much puzzled by this question,
and after a rigid crass-examination he explained that be
was ill a fortnight, and then went back to work for a day
or two before he finally left, after which he was out
• week, and then went to Mr. Flint. He was
further cross-examined as to when ho first had
any knowledge of the shooting of • man in
Bloomsbury, upon which he made several different state-
ments. First, that he read an account of it in the paper
on Saturday morning at breakfast. Then that he was not
sure whether he saw it in that paper or not. Then that he
first heard of it f rem Sergeant Doris, who oalled upon him on
Tuesday, and told him that he was wanted at George-street
station, to account for where he was on Saturday morning
from half past twelve to one. Then that he had beard
nothing till then except what he saw in the paper. Then
that Davis said nothing about it. A statement was taken
down from him at the station in the presence of Mr.
Carforth. Superintendent Serie was also there. Nothing
was said about the murder. He believed he read • news.
paper containing an account of this transaction while at the
station, hut oould not say whether it contained any descrip-
tion of the prisoner. If it did he must have read it. Saw
the notice offering • reward for the apprehension of the
murderer, but did not read the description of the suspected
persona. The three gentlemen who went up the road had
just at the time of the altercation. The witnesses
R.rsleiear and Hitching are not two of the three who cams
back and tried to quarrel with me.
Mr. Edward Collett Shelves hones surgeon at the Uni-
versity College Hospital, described the wound both from
external and wet mortem examination, and also the find-
ing of the bullet, which he handed to Mr. Serie.

StAmit—W.L DldL titres
Do. bra. &bags
Ysuritiu bogs
Y.sat India 12•46

Siam I
Mae Ma

9,273

9,139
1,457
6,079
1417

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Yerelgalenscovadoeaska
Brasll Packaged
Beet Root casks
Do. bags
Oorggr.--W. L ..packages
D 0..... brie & bags
Ceylon oaks
Do. ....brla & hap
Nadu' packages
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fIAITPIXIII tonal
TALLOW. —MONDAY Brim:No.—There has been bat
little movement in the tallow market within the last few
days. The demand from the trade continues poor for the
time of year ; but there has been a little better speculative
inquiry of late, and to-day a fair business has passed for
various positions at full prices. A large business is re.
ported from St. Petersburg. 7,000 casks sold at 45 to
45} s, r. ; exchange, 33fid. ; shipments, to this day,
55,800, against 65,000 last year. The market closes steady,
Spot and all the year, 44e. 9d. ; 1866 Y.C. 443 3d. to 64.;
December 455.; January to March, 455. 3d. to 6d.;
South American, 455. 6d. Ist pipes ; Odessa sheep, 455. ;
beef, 44.. 6d. ; Australian beef, 44e. to 44.. 6d. ; Ukraine,
45a. to 45.. 6d.. town tallow, 435. 3d. nett.Coma.nut oil
steady : Cochin., 565. 6d. to 573 fkl. ; Ceylon, 52e. to 6d.;
Sydney, fine, 50 to 513. ; good, 46a. to 49.. 6d., down
to 445. for low inferior Palm oil ammo, 425. 64., fine
Lagos.—(From the Circular of Messre.Smith and Charles.)

14756
1193
in
917
220
167

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5,317

1.5.54
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139
2,392
311,964
7tl

1010
1,974
1106

"on

Lt.St
657

1,439

19,702
70,672
1.621 ;

4,143
65,301

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112,6034

13,166
61,377
1,076
♦1,166
4047
AM

$5,617

9,713 118,9 D
9,617. 7,3 D

COTTON.—LITIMPOOL. Ocr. 7.—Market steady, a$
last Friday's prices. &Minuted sales to-day, 12,00
bales, fircluding 3,000 speculation and export. 5,000
American, 7d. to 10n. ; GOO Pernam, &c., Bs. to 94d.;
100 Maranham, rid. to 90. ; 460 Maak and Bahia, 7d.
to 80 ; 500 Rio, 846. to 8441. ; 400 Egyptian, sd. to 12d. ;
4,590 *Surat, 40. to 71d. ; Bengal, Saluda, &c., 44d.
to 54d. ; 330 Peru, 846. to 94d. Fair Dhollerah, 6;
fair Ocenratroftee, 6d. ; fair Breach,
o* fairßntd.
4s. • fair Egyptian, 10d. ; fair Penman, Bid. ; •
BoMeds, 84d. ; middling Orleans. fitd.

WOOL AND WOBSTED.—BeADIPORD, Oar. 7.—The
market is not much changed from last week, and trainee.
tione in wool are reduced to the lowest point possible.
The unsettled mate of the continent muses every one to
act with increased caution. Quietness also rules in the
wonted yarn market. Spinners find their contract'
graduslly expiring without immediate prospect of renewal,
and prices nation to droop. In pieces the foreign trade
was perhaps hardly ever known to be more quiet than at
present, and for all continental markets the business doing
is insignificant. The American trade is sluggish, and little
is ordered for the home trade. Prices are very irregular.
CATTLB.—Lictaeooi, Oar. 7.—The supply of stock
was lees than on the previous Monday. The demand fair
for both cattle and sheep at about recent rates, with the
exception of the better descriptions which sold rather
dearer. Beef, M. to 70. per pound); mutton, 40. to
7d. per pound. 2,728 cattle and 10,330 sheep at market

COALS—LonOO9, Ocr. 7.—Hastings Hartley, 18a. 3d.;
Wylarn, 17s. 3d. ; Walls End Goaforth, 19a. 6d. ; Eden
Main., 19a. 9d. ; Walls End framwellgste, 19s. 6d. ;
Walls End Hatton. 22a. ; Walls End 'Kepler Orange,
20s. ; Walls End Russel's Hatton, 20s. ; Walla End
South Hatton, 225. ; Walls End Original Hartlepool,tst.
Ships at market, 32 ; sold, 29,