The Express.
London, England, 1856-05-02 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 2, 1856.

In intim of vituperation, right sad left. (Hear) It re-
minded sue he some degree of the greet eaplosioa *high took
plan is the Preach lines—up west rookie, shells, sad car-
eae is every dining, billing end eroandiag (steed, ell
d, but noes 'oi *noses to .rey,thsta way.,
n soilliwight•O The boa. gentles/* dented 'elk
km and Man sci the unmitigated eadidameattos of LOrik.
Stretford; hat manabering,perhspe,allsoultioss readied
is a morning mmetiag—(cheep)—he termisied his epee&
lath trim, d the noble toed wiles be had before
represented r hong Melly unworthy to mala-
ria the situation he held. (Loud them) la
fan, his main dares against lin 11Isksty's goverameat
was for c oatiasing Lord Suiten is his office of ambassador
et Coastastisople afters H had seginted to answer the.l
, levers of Neatest Williams; end it was for that he held
I that we were dwienleg of the ensure if parlirmest. But
tho boa. gentleman was immediately Hun red by hie noble
(Hod who sits am IsSe, sad who said that the fell of Hers
was not accelerated one monist by the omission of Lad
[Watford to Hower the letters of Gems! Wham. (Rear.) !
And truly did be say that beessos the 06111401 cannel ia
1864, and Kan did not fall tall November, 1886. (Peen.)
But I am perfectly seedy to take may share of any respell-
lONIA, that may devolve upon those wh did not thick it
right to remit Lord Stratton. (Hear, hear.) No
doubt we regret that from pressure of busiam Lord
Stratford (calved than letters, and to give Geo. Williams
that comfort and encoaragmeat which be would naturally
derive from letters received from the ambavador at Cos-
steatinople. But Lord Stratford did at Conenntinople eel
that Gen. Williams urged him to do. (Beer.) No one
• who reads them papas ma fad to arrive at the concision
that Lord Ilitratf.rd did everything that it was la the pewee
of an ambassador to do I. order to obtain for Gen. Williams

t • eepp Ile SI re mama west . etle.
whoa the hcm. gildsman treats Laid Stratfora so lightly, I
am Mired tomy that of all WWI he was the fittest for the
put he oecapW. (Hem) He was be)ond sll men se-
qosinted with the details of circumstances connected
with Turk, and he had established an Mimeos
over the Tatkish governmeot *Mat was of the
mutat importance. Indeed any government that
should have *tidied Lord Stratford at that moment

sisal ly bedsits' he had omitted to answer certain lettere,
night have boasted of thei y, but they could nqt be
praised for their foresight. (111besn.) Sr, it is due to
Lerd Stratford to mention, in conaezion with th►t great sot
which has been recently obtained flow Turkey, sod which
we may call the Meese Charts of the Christina p ipelatiou
of the 0 ease sepias., that when, le 1848, epos the term,-
eatierof Sir 8.. Pe l'eadminetrstios I beam fierretery of

Steal for Foreign Affairs, I" rd Stratford war oa leave in
this country. At that time I thought it my duty to urge
that he would continue t, bold his utiles and to return to

pie. lord Strttford did sot belong to oar party.
He war a fund of Lord Dtrby ; end it wit Lord Derby who
gave him the tit.* which he weirs with BO te eh boat..? to
himself. (Dear.) Lord Straud, then B.r Stratford Can-
ning, said be would agree to do whet I asked him upon one
condition. Led what was that rota tioa ? Why,

that be should be supported, nay, urged by the
glyernsaat at home to tuatara" those 'memos' whi.b
hid been the great ablest of ell his esersiea dating the
time he bad been is Turkey, namely, the obtaining of that
equality betweea Christians and lgabwassedase which hes
cow crowned his laboore. (Cheers.) It was that hogwa-
sh!" ambition which induced Lord S,rstford to continue to

fr.; isaaltsation which anger other arimiastaases he
ought have preferred to relinquish; and yet it was the
moment when he were upon his brew that double coronet
—one granted to bin by hie &omelet:, and the other the
result of his own honourable lobules—that be was selected
oy a friend of Lord Derby to be the object of his Tau/a-
mine. (Loud cheers) Bet the mistake of the bon. and
learned gainless* was soon di covered. Taos who have
faltered him have allowed Lord Stratford's conduct to
pass without doing it additional Westin; and ttey
have turned their batteries more directly satinet her
Majesty's government. A great attack has teen made
epees us bemuse we did not and General Williams
eirinforeements of men and supplies of money. In the first
plate, be it observed, it is a total nii.reproentation of the
right hon. gentleman opposite to say that we undeit ok
to carry on war in Asia. We sever hinted that we in ended
wry on war in Asia. The government of Lord Atta-
in*. bed decided, and decided wisely, that to a war with
Bona foe the defence of Turkey, the point to be attack at
Mar fiebeatopel, that that centre et the Russian power was
or resolve against Turkey—wed that until you struck • blow
at the beset, ell nth, r attempts would be (stile. (Cheers.)
It well on that acconot that the government of Lord
/Carden declined to send en army into Bessesebia
er the Prineidpalities ; for if there is one pencil Is
a we., far more evident than another, sit is
that when you have a great otj et to se.omp-
tisk, you must concentrate all your power epos
that object, and sot to allow yourself to be tempted sway
hem It by any collateral operations. (Cheers) The groat
collect of the allies was tourers Sebestipol, and to get
pompano of the Hessian fleet. (liar, hear ) The right
hos. gentlemen says, " What a thegraes to Eogland and
Fresno that they should not be able to bays one army in the
Crimea and another in Asia, rebels Resin was able not only
to maintain an army in the Crimea but to make a &tertian
in Asia." But Russia was defending henelf at home. She
had all her resumes at baud, and she had an army, be it
id 800,000 or 1,000,000 men, ready prepared for the
lastest. On the other hand, Eogland and Frain had to
send troops by sea to • great distance, tad at the
end of a long line of communication. (Hear.) It was
therefore, coo disgrace is England sod France that
they were not able to employ as many forces in that quarter
as Ruda No doubt the fall of Hare was an neat greatly
to be lamented,—not for the mere fall of the position; lee
Kars has no great fortifications. Kars is not • town me-
rounded by walls or natural defences; but Kars is an ler
io neat gi oeraphieal position which it to desirable that
Russia should not weepy. Why we lamented the fell of
Kara was, that that gallant hero and his brave SlNSOCirrer,
who inspired such enrage in the 10,000 Turks who h li the
town, that they end thine brave Turks should have become
prisoners through famine to men who could cot conquer
them in use. (Loud cheers.) Bat we knew well that we
meat some' se tail ; and if we succeeded, whatever Roods
might hue taken from the Turks she mast have secant-el
before she could °lonia a rue. We had taken
up the war to maintain the integrity of the Turkish
empire ; sad never wont,' 'we have Medina, the sword
to long is sus inch of Turkish territory remained in (be
bands of Ruda. (Loud cheers.) Therefore all those ante-
meats which arc bounded unit the danger to Turkey
whiob might arise from the lose of Kars are based upon a
vain and german-a assumptioa--en aseeniptio , which im-
plies that we should have bees content so make peace upon
terms incosaistent with the very principle upon which the
war was commenced. (Hear, hear.) No doubt, when Gee.
Williams first went in the capacity of commission. r to K 416
he was not vested with three powers which were nt unary
to setae him to perform efficiently the duties width de-
Toned upon him. Bet every man that knows anything
of Turkey must be aware of the Insurmountable
dlficalty there is in getting military commend for a
Ban peas, more especially in Ada, because mil tory tees-
mann there gives a person control over pubes and the
goYernore oi provinces. (Hear, hew.) What cause I the
fall of Karst It was wont of provisions and of • relieving
force. Supplies were missiog in c netiquence of the mile in-
duct of th. Puha of Eraeroam. It was uot want of money
Money bad bean supplied him to purchase provisions, sod ,
be bed bought them, bet he bad neglected to pay the
union to convey them to Kan; and May had left them
&beet ball way between the ewe places. The result was
that when the Euesiau berated Kin with a superior fore•
of cavaby, they pushed oat to where the supplies were lying.
seised and destsoyed them. Had thee, set pies been pro.
piety sent to Kars by the Grantee of Branum they would
probably have been sufficisat to enable the garrison to t old
out. (Hear, hear) AddlUonal troops for the garrison
were not required, for the garrison had shown Itself to the
last muse than • match far its foes. But what wee required
was a relieving f.rce, to open • communicatioa with Ken
The hon. and maned gentleman, finding the case not very
' say to handle, chooses, with that desterity which belongs
ti his profession—(a laugh)—to represent that as •do
gtaaful act of the government which was, in truth, most
deserving of approbation. He dwelt upon that despatch of
Lord Clarendon of the 13th of July, in which the noble earl
es behalf of kis goverementezpresserdisaprebeffon of the
operation for the relief of Kars by Teethed* and Kean.
I am not diecessiog this question as a military men ;
bat the bon. gentleman is likewise not a military wee, and
tberettre my opinion II es good as his. (Lnight.r.) Bat
I will cosietain sealed all comers that the arguments is
that despatch ere perfectly conclusive that the elan pro
I pond by the Turkish goveromeat wes radically def-daive
• The plan they pr loosed wee to land et Redout.Kaleb, and
thee to march as tiest the rear of the Rearms, for the par.
• Owe of drawan them away from Kars. Now, ia the first plan
ens puiep gusto's/sr, aad • treater villein of teen. p eta
we aid be necessary. Then the country in shies the Turkish
troops would land was Christian, and they were 111SUOM-
medic. The p "elation would the los hostile to them.
Besides, u the operation was oily for a diver-ion, and not
• permanent conquest, they would know that if they joined
the invaders they must rmo septet to feel the pantos. nt of
the Russian ;tutees. et. (Hear.) The country moni.Ter
was isterseeted with rivers, and was difficult to be leavened
by an army ; k was one likewise in which animals for tr ins-
port were sawn. Finally, the route was long, end the any
Draper& es be wet, as an hos. gentleman bed observed,
MO a 1411101116 of odds and ends,vithout the regularity end
aemlleatedeniplins of the Russian troops. If it had gone,
Mgoobably hays sdemced • carafe distance •from
ess, lb, Russians would have attacked and defeated it,
emi would then have resumed .he Investment of Hare (rad
be all (oar of being agate interrupted. The ran e I her
leljesty's government was that the troops should be seat by
Trehisond, from whin 10,000 men might have marched, ar-
serdirg to Mr. Brandt, to Ersermeas in 10 der. The road w a
even praeticeble for artillery, for ell the artillery at Era -
ram sod Ken had gone oy that rout.; but there were
gess .cough, eo that was not wateriaL The weeny was
Mahommedan; then were in it plenty of animals for trans-
handpert it would ens have been easy to raise • force of
i gu'ar horse, light cavalry being the um which General
WPIISMIS met re waked. Besides, if the movement for the
redef of Kars had sot succeeded, it would at least have
made Erman' safe; and the garrison of Ken might have
retired to that city. Bat it Is said you lee tea-
lasssol a disgraceful Pane, the abendemensot ca Kars.
We essonseriiird so such thing. We sessemeaded Chet
ebb* we believed would have raved If"
_bet via& as all
mats mould Lave reatArd ics ariniresk *OM bee! to Way
use lrisfuggs, (Heir, hue) TM insehms'in
ei
boa otentlemsen suggests Is thtm *Si N Len
mobisii la the patentee of Mein Golliteedbasak abbe
bk.. Wen saw. Bat thawadi bob bum Wpm.
siblo, mime, indAsi, the Bermni omit of

Lemming to swim Oa Bosphorus. (Laughter and
chem.) Its. patients seem quite to have forgotten
the erotism si that famous moult; end that there was a
Tarkish, a Preach, tad an Baglish But close at band, if by
say weep seldom the enemy hid arrived Mike sh
apposith IConethatlnopter. (Bear, hest.) Bet.it It said,
You proposed this es fee the relief of ,ILanitht one
lime, and then you adopted ate exactly essatrary." Bat
we did not adopt any measure. It was het an
operation in width the British or Freask army
was ski part. It was a proposal aide to us
by the Turkish governante, sad we stated oar reasons why
we 'bought it ought tot to be adopted. Bat whoa we were
told that the othocil of war still held to its tuner view, it
was tof for us to maintain our opinion to the mutters.
(Hear, bear.) Then bon. gentlemen complain that we din
not read the contingent us a port of the ralioviog force ; but
the tioattsput was sot is a condition to go. Then you the
opinion if General Vivian, of Omar Pasha, of Clencrsl
Simpson, and of every man who knew the state
in which the entinvent then was. (Rest, hear )
The right bon. baronet (Sir J. Grabens) has drawn a com-
pletion between the Turkkh, Comtism eat and the Portuguese
troops, whom he described es the "fighting cocks" of the
Posttests' army ; end I hews no doubt that the Turkish
Coat Went would have bees the tame. (Hear, hear.) Bat
nit tight hon. friend must consider time att well as men.
When thst Portugses• forme ennetned the deeignation which
he cceotione, the" had been touter in organisation under
British otters than the Turkish Cutthroat, which at that
time hid only just been Awned. It has often been said
that in the earl, part of the Pthisanlar campaign, the
Portuguese battalion fled at the sight of shells in the ter;
hat at the storming of Sas &Madan. t. • bo ins found most
foreword in the wank weesithees of the Portuguese soldiers
(Hear, hear.) Toe change woe effected, not met. ly by
better psy and clothing, bat was the result of hew r leonine
by British officers, and the greater confidence which they
felt. (Hear, hear.) So it undoubtedly would hath bas
with the Turkish Coatingent. I have not the least
hesitation in 'eying that, if the war had gins on soother
year, we should have men in the =suit,' campaign the
'rakish Contingent hehaving with the same courses as the
brave Turks who defended Kars, and adding fresh laurels
to those gained by their countrymen on the basks of the
Danube. Bat at that time it would have been madams to
throw the half armed and half-clad Contingent to the attack
of the Russian tercet. That otj, rim applied not only to
their being sent as part of Omer Pacba's relieving army,
hut it applied also to their being posted at B &Wawa, in
exchange for the 12 000 Turks who had hue some of ilia
best troops in Omer Paella's stay. Therefore it was out of
the gentian to send them either to Rodout-Baleh r r to
Weida's. The goeernment very properly would cot con.
sent that the Tarnish Contingent itiou:d ferns any p. r; of
those Leon. Them the question was. whether Omer Puce%
should be allowed to take from Balaklava the.. 12,000

Turin. who held an important defensive position on
our line. It is said that we might have been sUowed
to take away the foto, at Sanatoria, and that we
were wrong in not defog so. Who °outmanned at Haps-
tons ? The French Genteel d'Allosiville. What right had
we to Insist on hie gelic quashing a part of the force which he
thought necessary? (Hest, hear.) If thst pmet on had
been ours, would we have allowed the French government
to dictate to us what the English government should do and
what ascent of forces ohmic' be retained there ? (lieer.)
The main question was whether Omer Pacha should take
the Turkish forces from Ballekleva either to Trebisond or to
fiedom 'Caleb. Against that pthoosition General Pt Easier
sod 0 I aileron protested ; they raid they could not
mare a Mete man from before Sebastopol. And I must
147 I think upon the whole they were right. (Hear, hear.)
Sebestopol was the great objet of the whole campsites.
Sebastopol had stood against us for a twelvemoeth, and the
great etnet was to conquer the resistance of Sebastopol.
(Hear, hear.) We were quite sere, if Sebastopol wee
taken, that we Amid get bath Kars, even if it
had fallen. (Hear, hear.) Bet if we had Men
beaten before Sebestopol the calamity would have beta
great, and the object of the eanip.ige would have been en
fir ly lost. (Hear, best.) Therefore I think that no man,
taking a review t f the question at ism, can f r a moment
doubt that the governments of England and of France ware
right M upholding the decision of the generals—that no
troops of any hied should be taken from before B.banopol
until St baster& bad Mlle% to the attack of the allies.
(Hear, bear) The question, thee, seems to me to moths
, itself into nothing. (.. Hear, hear," and laughter.) A
esasare on the government is, in fast, a ceasne• ter bevies
Ilene their beat to get possession of Sabin, po'. (Hear,
hoar) It is a mature for not baying planted a c •urn
which would mutative the very objects of tic tempo; ,
Sod by so doing would defeat the v ry objects of the war.
(Hear, hear.) I em quite conteot to take my stand .p
that Isaac (Cheers.) Notwithstanding the deep sympaift
which every man must have felt it the surrender of
Chostal Williams—the conqueror yleldieg to the con-
quered—l am pr. pored to put it to any reason-
taste man in the mum to say whether the govern-
ment would not hay, bees very much to blame if
they had done anything which might interfere with the
ace,mplishment of the great object for which the forms of
the two ceuntrit a had been for so many months contending.
(Hear, hear.) Well, thou, I thiak there was neither want
of energy nor fores'ght in the mane pursued. There is I o
want of energy is the speakers on the other side ; there ha
been plenty of mew in this debate. (Longtime ) Bat
waist af f resight I think here is. (Cheers.) I perfectly
agree with the proposition laid down, that the duty ef as
opresition is to oppo e. which no man am for a moment
deny. (Laughter) It is perfectly true also t at if the right
h es. gentleman wants to keep his party together, he ought
every now and then to bring them ism action, although he
knows beforehand that he will be seemed to a great and
di muttons defeat. (Hear, hear.) If the right boo. gentle-
man ha. come into action with a perfect conviction that he
is going to be defeated, there is esetainly no want of fore-
sight as to that, but some little wont of judgment.
(Chem ) lam the first to do justice ta the count which
the right hoe. geotlewas and his party hate permed during
the ear. (Hear, hear.) With those eaceptione which have
b en adverted to, when Eaesian bb od could not with- I
steed tt e temptation, or a little opposition to giving Turkey
money without which she could not go on—(laarthtee)—and
attempts to p our raisin additional troops to mist
es ie the first operations of the war,—those are tr.flias
matters which few joined in. But beyond that I am seri-
ously willing to admit that their mune has been most
honcour.b,e to themselves, and in perfect acomdares with
what was the general feeling of the country. (Hear.) They
felt that the ration was engrged M a war which the whole
nation thought just and right, and for which the pt o 1. of
the United Kingdom were prepared to tasks any merit:es;
and they abstained very hoanurably from any real demon-
stration calculated ts embarrass nr impede the course of the
government. (Hear, hear) That was a c tune which was
in perfect unison with pail c opinion, but which was
eon( until. to them, and which, looking beck to former
periods of history, was always pursued by the genii -man
who sat on that side of the limn. But I think it quite
natural, when the war is (vat abroad, that there should be
war at home, that opprolvon should revive, and rooort to its
sauna function, that of (mooing government sod trying
to tura the government out; for there is no imputati' non
an cr position for width°, to do th.t—it is the natural func-
tion of an • ppcs tiro. (Laughter.) And when they think
lei have the power of dispossessing the government, it is
net oral that they should from time to time take up subjects
on which they think the people will go with them, for the
pewee of keeping their party Owls. r. a r keeping them-
ovine alive. ts• Cheers." end laughter.) Bat I think they
ate chosen their time irjudiciouely. What is the moment
they have chosen for this attack l And thouph the right
h D. geotheman professes to deal with it ae a mere tepees-
ah a of abstract opinion,of course when a censure is proposed
on a govarnment to the enteat of sayieg that they have
neother energy nor foresight, I do ant know what other
qu.lite is to be left them, for certainly a government t cones-
tog neither energy nor foneight is net one which the HIIISP
of (omelette would long' like to see le their plate,. What
is the moment of o,en for this purpose ? We have brought
to a tote a war which has been carried on with admi-
rable energy—(hear, bear)--• war carried on at a rent
dinette, from them therm with an army which woe origi-
nal, sent out, though in small numbers, with greater es-
pedit on, greater rapidity, and better equipped tea• any
army of the same amount that ever left Opt° shores. (Hato,
hear) It is but justice to the Dike of News ,stl• to bear
testionay to thie. That army wee M the first instance @n-
oosed to greet suffering; hut sines them, by the t er ..... 'no
comity of my noble friend at the heal of the War Depart
went, who ha. earned a CO, to •he gratitude of the country
for the sneresslnl energy with which he ha followed ao the
campaign, the army now in the Crimea has ht en le oueht to a
rate of admirable efficiency, health, and order, erlich
renders it the admiration of ell who we it. During that
war, while, on the oar heed, theloyerneneut showed the
utmost energy, we have, I think, not boon deficit at In fore-
sight In regard to the peace which we have (Initialed.
Those who will take the trouble to look at the article.
of pests will see that we have foreseen all the torten
tapes which It was possible to frame treaties, and that, se
fir as political fermipbt could go, we have provided spikiest
future danger to the Turkish Empire. (Hear, hear.) I
contend that the government has, in the prose cut' on of the
war, shown great energy, and that the stipulation of the
Peace have proved their foresight. Cheer,)( At that
time, when the country at large is, I have we hesitation
Its saying, satisfied both wi h the results of the WS, and the
peace that has been comeluned, the hoe. and learned gentle-
man steps in with a loth of creeper epos the government—
(hear, hear)—a vete, I will snub rake to say, not more at
eminent' with the general filing of the country than the
divines of this eight will show that it fe at variance with
the g I opiates of the Home of Commons (Beer,
hear) I think, therefore, that the gthtlemen oonosite,
whatever may have been the energy which they have die-
pinyod, have shown vary little foresight es :to the result t f
this motion ; and I au angled tint if they menu. that duty
of opposing which is said to be the peeper function of an
V twenties with se more *tritest than they have shown
with regard to the motion row under cossideration, the
people of this country will be of opinion that the lesser
time gentlemen alt where they do the bitter will it be fee
all who are interested in the welfare elle eawutry.
—(shm's sod Iseghter)—ad on that ground I go with eat-
Meese t' the divines that is about to take place. (Chows)
Mr. WHITESIDE replied,
The beam thee divided cm Mr. K. Stumm'. amendment.
Tee the essesdnest
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