The Express.
London, England, 1859-06-10 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 10, 1869.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TausruEE, JUNE 9.
The Loan CHLNCELLOR took WS are ea the wooleeck it
awe o'clock.

THE OOVERNMBNT AND THE ROMAN
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY wieleed to ask the noble
esti at the head of the government a question upon a subject
with regard to which some uncertainty end misunderstanding
existed. He reigned to the proposition of granting a charter
to the Roman Catholic University, St. Stephen's-gresn,
Dublin. An impromion had gone abroad that negotiations
were on fait fee effsetingthat object, fostered, to some extent,
by the language which had been used by the Chancellor of
the Exchequer on the occasion of • deputation which went
up to the nett hon. gentleman, and this was strengthened
by a speech which had been delivered by Mr. Bowyer. He
hoped to ret those doubts at rest, and, in order to that, he
would now sub the noble earl whether it wee the intention of
her Majesty's government to grant a charter to the Roman
Catholic University P
The Earl of DERBY—I have no difficulty, my loris, in
answering the question of my noble friend, by saying that
it is not the intention of her Majesty's rovernment to advise
the crown to gnat such a charter. With regard to nego-
tiations," I can only say that the reply from me as to
whether negotiations have taken place depends upon what
the noble earl mean. by the word. It is undoubtedly true
that on two occasions memorials have been presented to the
government by Roman catholic gentlemen, exprowdog their
wish that a charter ahould be granted ; but no promMe hes
been gives and no expectation has been held out that the
recommeedations of the memorialists would be
with. With respect to another portion of the noble
statement, I have to nay that until after I received Dodos of
this question, I did not know what had been etid in conver-
sation by my right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. Since receiving notice of the question, I have made
inquiry of my right hon. friend, and have been told by him
that he had seen a deputation on the subject, and had pro-
mised that the matter should be taken into consideration.
THE ADDRESS.

The Martial' of I{;;r7l,7nlasortar a--"cter of Lord Steward,
brought down the tamer of the wows to the address la
reply to the spew% frame the throw.
INSOLVENCY AND BANKRUPTCY LAW.

The loll' CHANCELLOR snored that t e bill whkb
he bed Introduced last widen, hr amending the law relatiag
to debtor and creditor, be reed a fret time. His object was
that both this and the bill for °annihilating end amending
the law relsftg to joint stook compaaiss might, as soon as
Poomilokrpass mow lordship' house, to which triage they had
reached hat session. lie understood that there was one
clause which a noble friend of his desired to introduce into
the bill relating to tke law of debtor and creditor. He pro-
posed to take the second reading of both the bills 0-mor-
row, and the third reading on Thursday next. At that time
kis noble finned would bring up hie clause.
Toe bill was read • aim time.

JOINT STOCK COMPANIES CONSOLIDATION
AND WINDING-UP BILL.
. _

Thia bill Irs;-W1;o ---
LAW OF PROPERTY AND TRUSTEES RELIEF
AMINDNIENT BILL.
This bill was roads Noted lbw.
WHITSON HOLIDAYS.

The Earl of niakieild—titiTin-Te;liaythinff should
occur elsewhere—which he did not apprehend—rendering
such s coarse inconvenient for the public sonic.. he should
toinorrow move that their lordship. adjourn until Thursday
neat.

At a later period of the evening,
Lord DERBY said that his noble friend en the woolsack
had informed him that there was judicial business whkh
tendered it desirable that the home should meet on Wednes-
day. He should therefore to-marrow more the adjournment
to Wednesday, instead of Thursday, 84 he had before stated.

THE ENGLISH AND FRENCH NAVIES.
Lord PANMURE (who was vary imperfectly heed) woo
understood to sob when the report of the selevt committee
i re
poa the English and French navies would be laid before
boom P

TiOEozi of DERBY said he inlaid Inquire when it would
In ready to plus on tbo table.

THE VERNON AND TURNER GALLERIES.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved for copy of the
earreeponderce between the trustees of the National Gallery
sad the council of the Society for the Esoutregentant of
Arts, Manufactures, sad Common., with reference to the
epeeist, of the Vernon and Tamer Galleries of pictures at
South Kensington of an evening ; and also for copies of all
letters and reemerfels on the same subject which may have
been nmeitred by thill mid trustee. up to the date of their
tnakWg the return. now moved fur.
'I he Marquis of SALISBURY mid that, on the put of
the government, he bad no objection to this return being
given.
After a few words from Lord MONTEAOLS,
Lord OVERSTONE thought that this realm was pre-
mature. He could assure the house that the trustees of the
National Gallery had no object in view other than the due
preservation of the property of which they were trusties for
the public. The te:urn would require a vast number of
letters to be minted which could be of no practical um on the
subject. At the very last meeting of the trustees of the
National Gallery they had received a vast batch of letters
oontaletng suggestions on the part of secretaries of mechauks'
inatitotions. These were backed by a letter from the noble
eel himself. If all these communlostiom were printed he
•

thought that greet expwre would be Incurred without any
oorreepeding benefit. Hower, he should not oppose the
noble earl's motion. If it IMO peterrered ie.
Lord EIT. LEONARD!' send that the Nation•l Gallery
was ewes at present surd es a plea for conversation and sp.
petedmest. If the valorise In question were opened at night
they might be put to still worm ow.
The Earl of DERBY reminded the hones that at present
only the queelon of the production of these papers had been
mooted. What was the proper course to pones worn not
tender considerstice.
Lard STANLEY of ALDERLEY reminded the boom
'bet three wee, already in the banding which wee best
'mown so the Brompton Boilers—(lasghtra)—every vslnabht
collsetien at Outings which was shown by gaellOt. He
thcroght Gist by some mode of lighting similar to that is the
Housed Commons a picture gallery might be safely lighted.
The motion was agreed to.
THE MILITIA.

The Dube of NEViaiii.liieVeiVerhm the commission
appointed leg year on the 'abject of the militia would report
upon that mater P
TM Marquis of SALISBURY said that the clmectimion
would hold its lest @Maly ea Tuesday. That meeting would
close the inquiry.
The home them adjoined at tweedy minutes to 6 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MMIADAY, Jour 9.
The !Imam took du chair at 4 o'clock.
A few menhirs having hen sworn,
The CLIMIL mneem, that petitions had been preernted
spinet Use renew far Panted:act, Wakefield, and Had-
donfield.

TENANTS' COMPENSATION.
The O'DONOGRUZ *shed the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer whether it wee the intention of the government to
Introduce, daring the present aession, a bill which would give
the occupiers of land in Ireland a legal claim to compensation
in case of eviction?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the position appeared to him to be merely • repetition of one
which bad already been anewered by the Attorney-General
fur Ireland ; the measure which had been promised would be
Introduced after the Samaria' statement

CHURCH RATES.
Sir J. TRELAWNY obtained leave to bring in a bill fur
the total abolition of church rates.
WAR IN ITALY.
On the motion of Kr. T. Donsonza, an address for
oopy of the instruction given to molt uthoer met by the
British government to the headquarters of the maim in Italy
of Austria, Sadists, and Prunes, together with any corm-
'pendent., that has pissed betweee the government of Eng-
land and those countrhs relative to Duch mission, we.
ordered.

HIGH SHERIFFS' EXPENSES.
Kr. D. GRIFFITH obtained leave to bring In a bill to
regulate sheriffs' imposes,

KITCHEN COMMITTRE.
On the motion of Colonel Panama the following eons
mitres wee nominated to control the arrangements of the
kitchen and refreshment rooms, in the department of the
9er3nant-st-Arms attending this hone:—Colonel French,
Mr. Alderman Cubitt, Mr. doymoar Fliegerald, Mr. liltune,
Mr. Dalglish, Mr. Moncitton Milner., Colonel Dome, sad
Yr. Ravel

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NEWSPAPERS.
Mr. AYRTON obtained leave to bring Ens bill to repaid
"nertsin sets foisting to nowrpepors, paraphisto, and other
pablicatkas, sad to printers, typefoundirs, and main-
roollll.

THE DEBATE ON TRRADDRESS.

The adjourned debate was resumed by
Sergeant DEASY, who said he sew no men why, if the
present government were displaced,• strong, an efficient, and
au endurable ministry, which should command the con-
fidence of the country and the respect of foreign powers
should not be ford froze those who oat on that (the
opposition) side of the house. Looking at the position of
aff.irs on the oontinent-the impossibility of entrusting to
the present government the °Deduct of assonances for re-
storing; peace with any prospectOf somas, he saw no course
out of the difficulties in which tie government had involved
the country by the unwarrantable dinolatios but the adop-
tion of this amendment, which if carried, as he had no doubt
it would be, would be the means of substituting a strong, •
liberal, arid an efficient government. (Cheers.)
Col. DICKSON observed that in reference to the charge
brought against the government, of entering into a compact
with the Roman catholic hierarchy, be, at least, could have
no participation in any such arrangement. Though repre-
senting • Romeo catholic constituency, he was a protestant ;
and es • representative of Roma esthetics, he denied on the
part of the Roma* catholic body that they bad eaten/
into any compact or arreageganit for the purpose
of making res the price of politloal support.
If gattlemea wished to know the TOMOS why Irish cowl&
tampion bed sest camernaties members to that house, be
would tell them it was Depases they were disgusted with the
treachery they had received at other beads, and they were
determined to give • fair trial to mon who were willing to
milord to the the soselderation to which they were entitled.
Se could appeal to Irish members opposite, men whose con-
duct had bean often miereptesented, but who had devoted
themselves to the Interests of their country, whether they
bed forgotten the way in which they had been alternately
hoaxed sad insulted, end always cajoled, and whether they
were prepared to me their mairy again node the shuttle-
cock at party ? Let them gal,gal,tbe governmeat a fair trial,
sad If were found faulty, he would be the first to con-
demn, while, If they were found worthy of their position,
theitraboald mast with support.
GRANT DUFF contended that the government ha/
shown great weakness in their foreign peter,. He urged that
they had forfeited the andent character of Kristen statestme
and bed not maintained the lnduence of this country. It
would have been quiet in their power to have put a moral
pressure on Arnie without playing the game of Franee•
bat they had failed in any way to Maumee either of time:
powers in the recent asgothalcou
Kr. B. FITIGIRALD (who on his riming was ressivel
with Ironical cheers by the opposition and by loud ohms
ken his own side) said that if the noble member for newton
challenged en examination into eyeatathes,lif he accusedthe
goverammat of having Aestrien sympathies, he (Mr. Fits-
mould) might with propriety sok If the noble lord was
without sympathies for the other side ? (Hear, hear.)
He would not too curiously inquire into the *seethe nature,
or the results of imperial hospitality. Oradeal chsertuall
muter cheers.) He could not speculate on what might
Ines been the combinations of Compidges. He would
sesame that a compliment was paid by • great monarch to
an illustrious statesman, with some desire to show same
' alight recognition of the enema which the noble lord dis-
played to triter the lawa of this connley_to gratify the wishes
of an imperial ally. (Loud cheers.) He would rather refer
to snore recent events. The noble lord had lately mads •
speech at Willis.' Rooms. The noble lord •f,oid
pcar,2
there supported by the sable lord the member for
and the hon. member for Birmingham--• combination so
avenge as to inducts a belief that the parties to it were only
fit subjects for a lunatic asylum. The noble lord made a
speech which was not entirely matiefractme to the hon. mem-
ber for Birmingham, and the noble lord in discussing the
question of Mingo polity stated his opinion of the necessity
of our preserving the most intimate relations with France.
No one snore highly vatted the alliance with France than he
ibldFirzgerael) did, mad ha believed that nothing had con-
more to the avionics of France, of Ragland,
and of Europe than that alliance. Bat be would venture to say
this much, that at • time whoa this country was professing a
strict sad impartial neutrality, the noble Ind took that op-
pertanity of all others of sayingotot that the object of any
=ret to which be might belong would be to maintain
velations with both parties, bat to decian • pre-
firma for ens of the belligrasetiee rely. (Hear, bon.)
The amble lord also mad* • at Tiverton, and there he
dedered that he trotted that tbs and of the campaign
me should see Austria drives oat of Italy. He (Mr. Passe-
raid) know that may persons, froth their love of liberty, in
their bean*, desired to see that and secomplithed. lint at a
Yee like this, were they goring to mama the guardianship of
our strict neutrality to the moon lord ?—("hear,"and cheer)
—who told thorn he had one common object with the Empe-
ror of France, in which he hoped to see him etiocessiel,
and that the keystone of his policy would be to preserve
the most bairns relations with Ifranc:P Was that consis'eat
with • strict and impartial neutrality ? But the cm did not
rest them. The nobk lord referred in his epee* to whet he
Bled the bad origin of the government. He would sat the
noble lord in what it bed its origin ? It had its
origin in this: because the noble lord had bees expelled from
power not only by the vote of the haw, but by the gene-
ral feeling of the country that he was sacrificing the honour
and interests of this country to the will of the governmial of
France. The noble lord had said that many members
es that (the ministerial) side of the house agreed With him
es that occasion. (Ironical cheers and counter cheers.)
At least there were many on that side of the house who wen
set open to that imputation, and among them was himself
(Mr. Fitzgerald), for he voted *genet the trot reading of the
Conepiracy Bill. He amid sek further—in reference to the
feeling which the noble toed had always shown to follow the
government of Frasoe—lf the noble lord was willing to alter
the lows of this country in order to meet the wishes of the
Emperor of France, might he not be induced to modify his
trolley to meet those wishes ? Ile (Mr. Fitzgerald) had said
that on questions of domestic policy there must be great
contrarieties of opinion, and that many persons wives Is
power would be unable ho carry out the principles they
advocated when in opposition; be in the new goverment
which was to be formed how was our foreign policy to be
carried out? The noble lord would have to forget that when
he lost power it was to the noble lord the member for
London that he wee indebted for that loss. The noble lard
the member for London must forget that he was asked by
the noble lord the member for Tiverton to adopt that which
be (Lord J. Russell) described as • policy of humiliation sad
thane, and one in which he would have no pert. And when •
government on • wide basis was formed which would
embrace all the talents and all the opinions of the liberal
pay, the claims of his right hoe. friend the member for
!Lorna mid not be overlooked. In what position would
Mistretta hon. gentleman be placed In reference to the future
administration of foreign affairs ? ln sincere friendship he
would make • suggestion to the right hon. gentleman, that
be too would fled ot difficult to elm net is power the opl-
akas he had expressed in opposition. The right hon. pa-
tterns had referred to the foreign policy of the noble lord,
and ho Jammed that the right hen. gentleman wee likely to
be. member of a cabinet in which, front his great knowledge
and experience, the noble lord must exercise great influence,
and what was the opinion of the tight bon. gentleman of his
future eolleogue? The right hon. gentleman, is speaking et
the noble lord, quoted a public writer, whose words, he said,
showed a great appreciation of the character of the noble
lord. " Magee is no constituted authority in Europe with
which Lord Paharraton has not querrelled ; there is no in-
surrection that he has not betrayed. The ardent partisans
of Sicilian, Italian, and Hungarian independence hero cer-
tainly no speed cause for gratitude to • minister who gal,
them abundance of verbal encouragement and then abase
dotted them to rhoir fate. On the other hand—twat this
—when L rd Peloterstoe has made up hie mind to court the
good will of • foreign Dower no barna,» of principle or of in-
terest la too great for him." He thought his right hon.
friend would think those words were large enough to include
a strict midimpartial aeutralty. The right hen. gentleman
concluded dins : "From first to tat his character has leen
the want of • firm end lofty adherence to the known inter-
ests of &Leone, and it is precisely from • want of snob guid-
ing lawn of conduct that ourj foreign policy his degenerated
tete • linos of capriole, maohinalsons, petty contentionesnd
everlasting disputes.' Thome words were said by the right
hoe, gentleman to apply with weediest secttracy to the nos-
duct of the noble hod ; sat If be took office with the noble
lord, he would fled it dieter& to carry out in aloe
the opinions he nomad whoa la opposhiss. (Cheese.)