The Express.
London, England, 1867-10-16 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 16, 1867.

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COURT OF BANKRUPTCY.—Ocr. 15.
(Bohn Mr. Oommierioner Winslow.)
IN RE CAROLINE CUstSrPt.
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7'he Unkempt was ilecenbeil as a widow, of no
tiun. residing at 3, Lancaster-terrace,
debts, KW., are all in respect of accommodation bills, with
the exception of about ii/. A note appended to the balance-
s'.oet state% that S3ll. is due to Stilelier's Banking Corn-
piny, Bristol, in respect of bills accepted by the bankrupt
for the Lite Mr. C. Bouch, merchant, of Bristol, and which
bills lie had endorsed to the abore.narned banking com-
pany. Mill was the sitting for examination and discharge.
Mr. Aldridge, for the official assignee, examined the
bankrupt, and elicited that she had bad an interest under
• will, but had sold it some time ago.
Mr. Brooks, for a creditor, wished for the production of
the deed whereby the bankrupt bad passed her interest,
and an adjournment was ordered for that purpose.

William Anos, a labourer, was brought before Mr.
Benson charged with assaulting hie wife, Eliza Amos, of
No. 7. China-place, Back-road, St. George's-in-the-East.
The complainant now wished to make light of the
matter, and said her husband, who had been a teetotaller,
got drunk, struck her, but did not hurt her. It appeared,
however, that he had wounded his wife with a knife, and
Mr. Benson sentenced him to one mouth's imprison-
ment with hard labour in the House of Correction.

Marys Comes, a middle-aced woman, was brought
before Mr. Lenwn charged with stealing meat.
The prisoner stole a loin of mutton in the shop of Mr.
Henry Hopwood, Cable-street, Whitechapal. She was
followed, found with the mutton under her shawl, as well
as a piece of pickle-pork and a cow-heel, and given into
custody.
Mr. Benson sentenced her to three months' imprison.
ment with hard labour.

to say that to a certain extent lam aware of the cogent
nature of the evidence of the woman examined at the in-
quest, from seeing it reported in the papers ; and I think
it only fair that Mr. Sleigh should have the opportunity of
putting any questions.
Mr. Poland said the other had appeared to him the
more advisable course, but he was quite ready to call her.
Anne Maria Janman, 1, King-street, Grosvenor-square
—I am married, and live there with my husband,
William Janman. We have lodged there seven or
eight months. On Friday, the 27th September,
we went together to the Amphitheatre, in Holborn.
We remained till the performance was over. When
we came out we went to a public-house on the rime side
of the road as the theater, the left hand as you go towards
wards the theatre. It is about two minutes' walk from the
theatre. My husband had some ale. Could not say how
many persons were there. I did not go inside. My
husband went in, had some ale, and came out.
We went on further, and went into another
house. I went in with my husband. He had
two pints of beer, and I hula glue of ale. We came
out and turned towards home—towards the west. We
had a few words because I told him not to have any more
to drink. He then left me, and I came on till I came to
the Bull and Anchor. While standing there I saw two
men come out of the Bull and Anchor. One was a very
fair man and the other dark, wearing a dark beard and
dark moustache. The fair one left the dark one and
turned down a narrow street. I saw him take something
out of his breast pocket. While be was down there I
heard the dark man say " Come on Groves; it is quite
time we were gone." He made no reply, but returned to
his friend. When he came out of the narrow street I saw
that he had a false beard on. It was fair, very fair, and
I came down so far as to hide his tie. I could not say how
; long it was. I could not say if be had a moustache on as
well, hut he wore his own moustache. They walked on
towards Southampton-row. I waited a while, and finding my
husband did not come to me I followed the men. I heard
the prisoner say all along the way that he would " Shoot
the before he got home that night." They went
on, and went auto the Turk's Head. I was close by the
Turk'si Head then. I don't know which compartment
they were In. I did not know there was more than one
compartment. That was about one o'clock. I did not go
into the public-house. Almost immediately after the two,
three young men went in. They did not stay. They
went out almost immediately, and went on up Southamp-
ton-row. The prisoner and the dark man came out and
followed them. Them was a row going on, but I did not
see what the disturbance was about. There were two cabs
outside. Two or three minutes after I lost tight of the
men I heard a report of fire-arms. I was close to the
Turk's Head. I felt a little timid, and went towards home.
I ran as far as Moses and Sons', corner of Hart-street, and
I stopped there to fetch breath. While standing there I
saw the prisoner aad a dark man come running up the
street, towards where I was standing, in Oxford-street.
The prisoner was then wearing a beard. I heard him say,
" I have shot one bullet, and am sorry I dhl not fire a
second time and shoot the right one." He then crossed the
street and joined a female who was standing opposite. I
then went on my way home, not saying anything to any
one. I went out of town on the following Sunday,
to my husband's brother at Chichester, and remained there
till Monday evening. I first spoke of what I had seen on
I the following Tuesday. having previously written a letter
upon the subject on the Sunday to Mr. Thompson. I
posted the letter myself. Up to that time I had not seen
either the prisoner or the other man. I saw the dark man
alone on Tuesday at the corner of George-street, Gros-
venor-square. Two other persons came up, and I heard a
conversation between them, which I reported the same
evening to Mr. Thompson, at Scotland-yard. I wrote the
letter now produced to the witness Farber. I think I
wrote it on Wednesday. I called at Furber's lodgings, at
12, Albany-street. I did not see him, but the landlady of
the house. I went out the three following days in search
of the dark man. Last Sunday I made a further commu-
nication to the police. From the Saturday morning up
to the time I was examined by the coroner I had seen
nothing of the prisoner. After I was examined in the
early part of yesterday I went in a cab to the House of
Detention. Inspector Thompson rode outside the cab.
An officer of the House of Detention took me round to the
cells to see the prisoners. I think the prisoner was the
fourth that I saw. _

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Mr. Poland—When you saw the prisoner did you recog-
nise him?
Witneu—l did not tell the oMoer till we had been to
two more cells, when be asked me if I bad seen anybody
like the man. I then pointed to the cell where I had seen
the prisoner. I will swear that be is the man that I saw
in Holborn putting on the false beard. I had never seen
him before that Saturday morning. After being at the
prison I went beck to the inquest, and gave further evi-
dence there.

Cross-examined by Mr. Sleigh—l was married at St.
Paul's church, Southsea, and at first resided at Southsee
with my husband. He was a journeyman butcher at that
time. I don't know the employer's name. He had been
in his service three years, and continued for about seven
months, when, on account of my ill health, we left, and
went to Chichester. He worked there about eighteen
months, when he came to town, and I stopped at
Chichester. I will swear that my husband has not been in
ten situations since we were married. I have had no con.
venation with anyone about this case since I gave my
evidence yesterday. I have given my evidence at the
Treasury, but nothing else. I have not bad anything to
refresh my memory about the case, or about the evidence
I Hr. W. 4/ S es.
teleirdX—Upon your oath have you not been read-
ing your evidence word by word and line by line in to-
day's paper?
Witness—No, I have not. I was readings paper in the
waiting room this morning. I was reading about the
young man who was to be hanged this morning. lam
not sure whether it was to-day's paper or last evening's ;
the same thing was in both. I don't know how far it was
from the theatre to the first public-house. It was about
fifteen or twenty minutes' walk to the furthest one. It
was not a mile--it might have been half a mile. It was
about 100 or 150 yards from one house to the other. We
were about ten minutes in that house. I did not say we
quarrelled along the streets. You may have words with-
out quarrelling. It was half-paat 11 as we left the house. I
looked at the clock as I left the amphitheatre, and it was
then half-past 11. I have not mentioned that before. It
was about a quarter or twenty minutes to 1 when I saw
them come out of the Bull and Mouth. I could not tell
the exact time they went into the Turk's Head. It was
about 1. They were putting up the shutters.
Mr. W. Sleigh was about to put some questions as to
evidence which the witness had given at the inquest ;
but . .

Mr. Vaughan thought that would be inconvenient at
present. He had no knowledge of the evidence at the
coroner's inquest which could enable him to say whether
she was replying truthfully as to her statement on that
occasion. The best way would be at present to confine
the cross-examination to what she had said to-day, which
everyone present had heard, and if it was necessary to
refer to the examination at the inquest that would be a
matter for consideration.
Mr. Sleigh continued his cross-examination for some
time without further reference to the inquest, but upon
her saying that she did not know whether there were two
compartments at the Turk's Head, Mr. Sleigh said he
must press her as to whether she did not state at the in.
quest that the persons came out of the compartment
nearest Holborn. With much difficulty it was elicited
that she did say so at tho inquest, though it was twice
put to her by Mr. Sleigh whether she was quite sure
there could be no mistake. She had waited up to that
time thinking her husband might be there. After that
she went after them to see if the man who had threatened
to kill somebody was going to carry his " perfection" out.
She did not, however, think of giving any one warning
that two men, one of whom had a pistol, had followed
some other men up the street. She at first denied, and
then admitted, that she said she bad not been out much
since the murder, because she thought under the circum-
etanoes she ought to keep herself quiet. She denied having
said that she read a report of the inquest on last Sunday
week in Lloyd's IVerAbs Itrorapaper. She did not know
whether it was the 'inquest or not. But she did
say that she read a report on that day, and
that she commenced at a passage where there
was something about a " Lieutenant." When she
went to Inspector Thompson she did not tell him that she
was the writer of the letter produced. The letter was
here read. It was as follows :—" Superintendent, Great
Scotland-yard, City. Sir,—l will come and unfold the
murder of that young man that was shot on the 28th Sep-
tember to you. He is a fair young man with fair hair,
cut short behind, and wears a short moustache. The long
beard was false. He stands about 5 feet 8 inches high,
and lives, I believe, in Gilbert-street, Grosvenor-square.
I could not say what number. I dare not say my address,
for I am afraid that the man that was with him will wait
upon me and kill me. lam not a London young woman.
My home is in Suffolk. I came to London on the Friday
evening as the murder was done on the Saturday. I left
London on the same Saturday morning, and I dare not tell,
for he said that he would serve me the mine if be ever
' heard that I should. Sir, I will call and see you as soon
as I can. I am, sir, your obedient servant, HARRIETT
WILLIAMS." _ _ _

Witness continued—Had not seen the description of the
prisoner. The reason why she said nothing about
the letter was that her husband had forbidden her to
speak about the murder. She did not give any informa-
tion to Inspector Thompson about the murder, or
about the man who committed it, but only about the dark
man. Her husband forbade her to speak of it to this
day. Did not remember the date of the second
letter. Could not say how she knew the date when
she affixed it to the letter. Perhaps it was not correct.
She had received a letter the same day to tell her of her
mother's death. [The letter spoken of as the second
letter, that addressed to Farber, was then read over.]
She said that the reason she spoke of the young man as
living in Gilbert-street was because she heard it from
some people who were talking about the matter at the
time of his apprehension. The men were having words in-
side the 801 l and Mouth. When witness saw the prisoner
she said "That is the man." She did not say that to the
warder, but to Inspector Thompson. Looked at two other
men before the warder asked her if she identified either of
the prisoners as being like the man she wanted. The
moment she saw Groves she knew that the prisoner was
the man whom she saw on the night of the murder, but
she did not know that she had picked out the man th►t
they had got for the murder. Did not know there was a
reward, and did not know it now, except that she was
told so by Mr. Sleigh in his eroni-examination yesterday.

Knew the privoner's name wu Groves by hm.ring the
other man call him

Reexamined—Had destroyed the letter about her
mother's death. Her mother lived at his., on the borders
of Norfolk and Suffolk, near the railway station, and her
name was Harriett Haley. Had been down several times
to see her mother, but only once since she lived at
Hiss. The letter which she had burned was not signed
with any name. It was written as from a friend. Did
not gn to the funeral. Did not know where her mother
was buried. Her father was not living. Could not say
how long it was since she saw her mother. It was nut
twelve months ago. The prisoner was the taller of the two
men by about half a head.
Furber, Hitching., and Bowler were then brought in,
and the witness said she could not identify them.
Mr. W. Sleigh wished to ask her if she did not say
yesterday that Bitching' was something like the cabman ;
but Mr. 'Vaughan would not allow the question to be put,
an it would not be evidence.

By Mr. Vaughan—Came to London from Chichester
with her husband on Friday and went out of town again
on Saturday. I was about two or three yards away from
the Bull and Anchor. I was on the opposite side of the
street, which is very narrow. My mother was married
twice. Her first husband's name was Williams, and the
second Hairy.
The depositions having been read over,
Mr. W. Sleigh observed to the witness, who was about
to sign them, that if there was any inaccuracy she ought to
call attention to it now, as she would be held to this as •
correct copy of her evidence.
Mr. Vaughan begged Mr. Sleigh not to make any such
observation, as it was most irregular.
Mr. W. Sleigh—Then, perhaps, sir, you will tell her.
Mr. Vaughan—l shall do nothing of the sort. She has
given her evidence on oath, and is signing it voluntarily. It
is presumable that she knows she will be liable to be
questioned upon it hereafter.
Mr. W. Sleigh said he should wish on a future occasion
to have an opportunity of asking her a few questions in
reference to the new matter now introduced.
Mr. Poland—Certainly ; and also if anything more
should occur to you in the interval.
Mr. W. Sleigh applied for the prisoner's admission to
bail.

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r. Vaughan—Upon what ground!
Mr. W. Sleigh—On the ground of the weakness of the
evidence as to identity, the length of time Coe prisoner
has been in custody, and the vast discrepancies between
the evidence of Mrs. Janman and that of

Mr. Vaughan—l could not entertain it for a moment.
The prisoner was then remanded till Wednesday, the
T.Srd inst.

SHOCKING SUlClDE.—Yesterday morning an in-
quest was held by Mr. Carter, at the Railway Tavern,
Putney, on the body of Roastunjee Burzoojie, aged 16
year., the son of Dr. Burzoojie, Hindoo gentleman, re-
aiding in the Victoria-road, Wimbledon-rk, who com-
mitted rzicide on the South Western Railway under very
shocking circumstaoces. It appeared from the evidence
that shortly before eight o'clock on Sunday morning last
the deceased was discovered lying under the first bridge
which croesee the South Western Railway on the London
side of Putney station. He was lying ou his breast on the
outside of the down line with his head over the rail.
Police-constable Pearson was called to the body, when be
found the head of the deceased smashed to atoms, only a
small piece of the chin remained. No train had passed
since the one from Waterloo station at 12 o'clock on Satur-
day night. In the breast pocket of the deceased the con-
stable found a letter addressed to his father, with a memo-
randum as foUows :—" He who finds me is requested to
take my remains to the address of the envelope in my
coat pocket.—Rooorrona." In the envelope were three
letters written in English by the deceased to his father,
mother, and brother, in which he announced that he was
about to commit a great sin, and asked to be forgiven. He
also expressed a wish to be buried in the churchyard of
Wimbledon Church, at the top of Victoria-rued. One of
the letters referred to a quarrel which he had with his
father. Dr. Burzoojie, who was deeply affected, said his
son was at home on Saturday night at 9 o'clock. He had
recently complained of his inattention to his studies. The
constable was re-called, and he stated that he saw marks
on the slope by the aide of the line as if the deceased
having descended from the road and placed his head on
the rail. The jury acquitted the father of any unkind-
nese to his son, and returned a verdict of self-destruction
while in a state of unsound mind.

THE SUSPECTED MURDERS IN STAFFORDSHIRE.—
Dr. Holyoske, of Mayer, has made a easeful examination
of the bones of the corpse discovered the second in order
by the searchers of the pit, who were carrying out the
instructions of the deputy-coroner (Mr. W. H. Phillips)
at the inquest on the remains of the infant whose body
was found in the loaded guano bag, and he pronounced
them to have been the bones of a child three years of age,
whilst the boy whose leg bones were found tied together
must have been seven years old. The time that the re-
mains have been in the water Dr. Holyoake supposes is
about two years in the case of the child of three years, a
longer period in the ease of the seven years old boy, :ind
the infant perhaps about 15 months. The remains of neither
present any indications that would go to furnish
any clue as to the cause of death ; but the whole of the
respective skeletons has not been recovered, and even if
they had, the time that the remains have been in the
water would make it very difficult for any cause to be
traced. For the present the searchers have ceased their
work. They have brought up all the evidence they have
been able to secure with the aid of their drags ; but having
to search through some twenty feet of water must make
such an examination as has yet been made very incomplete.
The cord with which the legs of the eldest boy were tied
resemble thatching cord, which is of great strength. In-
spector Goddard, of the Staffordshire police force, with
Sergeant Baldwin, and other men under him, are dili-
gently investigating the shocking mystery, and they believe
that they are not altogether without a clue that may lead
to the arrest of one or more of the murderers.

THE FATAL EXPLOSION ON THE NORTH LONDON
RAlLWAY.—Yesterday morning Dr. Linkeirter resumed, at
the 4'cck Tavern, Higlibury, an inquiry relating to the
death of John Matt, who lost his life by the explosion
which took place at the coal depot of the North London
Railway on Monday week. Mr. Cooper, solicitor, at-
tended on behalf of the North London Railway Company ;
and Mr. Ltyton, solicitor, represented the widow and
family of the deceased. The inquiry was adjourned on
the last occasion for the purpose of allowing time for a go-
vernment inspector to examine the boiler, but on the re-
sumption of the investigation yesterday morning the
coroner announced that the Board of Trade had not
thought fit to interfere in the matter. Mr. W. Adams,
the locomotive superintendent of the North London Rail-
way, was examined, and attributed the explosion to the
thinness of the under part of the boiler. He stated that
if he had known that the metal of the boiler had
wasted he should have ordered its immediate
removal. Before boilers burst they give indications
of weakness by leaking. The objection to testing boilers
was that it might strain them, and he considered the appli-
cation of the hydraulic test most unwise, inuiuuch as it
would strain the boiler and render it more liable to explo-
sion. The removal of a stationary engine would involve an
outlay of ro. , and the cost of fitting up a new one would
be about 1:01., but he wished it to be understood that the
question of expense would not weigh with the company in
a matter of this kind. The thickness of the metal of boilers
was tested by striking with a hammer, but that method
would not prove effective in cases in which the boiler was
imbedded in brickwork or other solid material. Mr. John
Tinny, engineer and boiler maker, was next examined. He
stated that the boiler in question was manufactured under
his supervisor, in 1851, and was of the beat description.
The mean " life" of the best boilers varied from 20 to
25 years. He thought the accident occurred from ex-
°naive pressure, and he believed the pressure at the time
of the explosion was about 10016. to the square inch. The
ordinary pressure of the engine was 50113. to the square
inch. If the deceased had neglected the machinery, extra
pressure would have been necessary to do the ordinary
amount of work. J. Henry Adams, superintendent of the
goods department of the North London Railway, was next
examined, and stated that the deceased was required to
lift a certain number of coal trucks before 7 o'clock on the
morning of the aceident. The evidence having concluded,
the jury, after an hour's deliberation, returned with a
verdict of accidental death, accompanied by a resolution
to the effect that a more efficient and careful method
should be used in testing the stationary engines on the
North London Railway.
THE HANGMAN'S PRACTICAL DIRECTOR.—The
following remarks, in a letter addressed to the Lancet by
Dr. Tuke, on the question to hang or not to hang an
alleged maniac under sentence of death, deserve considera-
tion :—" If, after due examination, he be pronounced
sane, let him undergo his deserved punishment ; if insane,
send him to a criminal asylum ; or, if the law inexorably
demands his life, let him be hung as a declared ' mad-
man.'" Your alternative, Dr. Take, is the thing to do.
Hang everybody who commits murder, whether he is mad
or sane. If any madmen are murderers, hang all such
madmen. Never mind the motives of criminals, look only
to their acts ; retributive justice is sentimental bosh. You
punish a convict for the crime which he has coin.
mitted simply to deter others from committing
the same, and to deter himself also from doing
it again ; or to prevent him, in case you hang him. Hang
every man who has done what the law calls murder ; hang
him with the sole view of getting rid of him and consti-
tuting him a scarecrow. In that case hang • madman
with no more scruple than you would have to lung a mad
dog. This has got of late to be • fashionable preachment
on the part of some public instructors. Very well. But if
these counsels are to be followed, fleet legalise their prac-
tice. Be it enacted, then, duly and formally enacted, that
everyone convicted of • crime capitally punishable shall be
banged, whether he is a madman or not. Suppose we
agree that expediency shall be the object exclusively re-
garded in the infliction of punishment, and righteousness
be set altogether aside ; only, in the meanwhile, let a
declaratory act of parliament definitely ordain that the
former only shall be consulted, and that the latter shall not
be considered at all in sending a man to the gallows.—
Punch.

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