The Express.
London, England, 1856-10-07 00:00:00

THE POLYTECHNIC.

Lost night a meeting was held at the Polytechnic
Institution to Inaugurate a serifs of evening alum which
ere about to be formed In union with the Soisiety of Arts
The chair wee taken by Dr. BOOTIE, trimmer of that
society ; and them were also present Dr. Spargio, D►,
Beam Jame, Dr. Whits, Mr. &disks, Mr. Winkworth,
Mr. Barrister, Centel' Pollock, the Hoe. Captain Maeda
Mr. Wentworth Dna, &a. The number of persons I. the
hall was between 1,600 and 2,000.
The Crum/raw said he bad sect pleasure to giving his
humble oo•operatios to the good work they had la bead,
sad is tendering them the assistance of the neology of Arts.
He was glad to see the saw of mental traprevemeat taken
up by the people, because they might depend upon it the
work, the real work, could only be done by the rublic them-
selves. (Cheers.) There was no see in waiting to see what
the state would de. The goverment desired le promote
national educatics, and would mast them if they
could, but what hope was them of any thing being dose
while publie opinion remained so unsettled ? Whether it
was Lord John Respell, or Sir John Palettes, or Mr. Fos,
er say other advocate of education, the result was the sense
with sil—iiseematere and defeat. (Rear, hoar.) A law

ratios of as bad bees hers, taught annehow, and absorbs.,
untrained end saisemoted, iato tho Mistrial We et Ss
sties while this had his miss; sad wird hops
sae then of its rermisties ? It did sot at all haw, es
he (Dr. Booth) had showed at Lome the sew day, that if
they built a NS'S boas, appointed a arts and a oos•
mitte• of monsgesmost, proeurid books end apparatus ef
arm kind, sad eves ailed it wit► ►efm, they said
Wises them to kers. They might impel the gamete
to sem is, bet they mid sot fese thous le eat,
limy body lam that the "lamest" of 'daisies were
sesdingly ■assess, sad that to acquire them is•
sired, eves is the most (avowable sies, as isomer
assist of mental Mil sad WWI dosigooy. They must

hold out some inducement to boys to learn. Prime sus
lost their effect; the bait would seldom take more this
mice. Did they not ell know that the avenge op at will*
boys were being rewieved from school was diminishing
from you to year; that it had gradually fallen from 14
down to 9, and even is some ases to 8 pan f (Hear, hear.)
While, in feet, the state was adding at one end, the publis
were smiting off at the other. (Bear, hear.) He (Dr•
Booth) believed that the law of supply sad demand would
hold in this ease as well as is every other. if parents found
that their moss mild not pt es is life without education,
why they would endeavour to procure education for them.
(Cheers.) Most permits contrived somehow or other from
day to day to supply their physical wants, each as food and
clothing, busses those were wants that would not be de-
nied. Make education a necessity, and people would coos-
trim to proemre more or lees of that too. (Cheers.) If
parents hued that education was indispeamble to the
guesses of their children they would are more
about it than they did. If young men were made
to feel that industry, diligeees, and me sepent attain-
ment, were passports to employment, they would soon see
the clam-rooms not only of this institution, but of every
similar one in the country, filled to overflowing. (Chun).
But bow did a yowls msa now prepare himself to obtain
I Dy poillorbg tbe Membssu of the Immesh,
If he lived in one, or by running after any railway director
as music pil efllcial be can get hold of—(hear, beer)—nor
was be south to be blamed for this. Bo long ea the quid&
Miss of eandidates were the last things t, be eoesiderel
In ORM. up appointments they could not input that qua.
Minstkess would be much improved. (Hear, beer.) It
was a peat mistake to imagine that red tape was only Is
be seen In government offloss—they would find nip-
limn and Fartlality elsewhere jut as well. Is
abort the matter emus to this—if the greet
employers of labour desired the people of this country to be
better instructed they had only to insist on a higher standard
of attainments than they did at pigment (Hsu, hear.)
The Society of Arts was proceeding to test the question
whether there was oath a feeling in the pantry. If their
surtilleatee became passports to employment thousands would
eadesvour to obtain them. If they did not become so they
would not be worth the paper ea which they were written.
The Rev. F. B. Owns then addressed the audience at
some length ea the importance of disseminating a love for
tenths of all kinds amongst every slam of society. Beim-
Misbuth, like Use religion, was of no party, sect, or
Bred, but was in the interest of all, extending its benefits
equally to the greatest and the lest. It ought not to pro.
yoke a emits If they heard of a poor housewife boiling her
pot on udestifle priseiplie, for the properties of beat were
the eases la the puddling furnace and in the kitchen firm
He 'onside/8d t►at a great debt of gratitude was due to
Mr. Pepper, the enterprising loses, for the manner Is
which be had oondseted the Polytechnic, and .specially foe
having set on tot the clams which they were met that
evening to inaugurate. (Cheers.) With respect, likewise,
to the gentlemen who bad undertaken to conduct these
slums, he thought it would be evident that they bad acted
upon patriotic rather than upon private egruideratious,
when it wee borne in mind that the fees would be only
64. for 14 lossom (Chun.)
Mr.

r.joloed that the work bad been

sadertekea. No doubt the masa why iiteabaitiee indite-
boas had failed to satisfy the expectations which had
beat formed of them might be traced to the corrupt mac-
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nor fa whist' pablis patronage bed been for ages exercised.
It was quite free that a gotta of free and open eospetition
was not devoid of difilsulty, bat he thought that on the
whole it woad be found the oily *asset in which they
could anise at &tolerably beahlty and ►oast administratkm.
(Cheers.) If, therefore, the resat undertaking should
enable the advocates of eompetitive examination to point to

the met & good which followed from them eves when eta-
ducted by a private society, he should consider it • most tea-
pertaat sad valuable momment. (Chien.)
♦ amber of complbseatery votes were agreed to, sad
the eieetlai broke up.

METROPOLITAN BOARD OF WORKS.
A spetial meeting of the Metropolitan Board at
works was held yesterday in No. 1 Committee Room,
Med When. ter the parpose of coesideriag the neon of the
the board oa the whole gaieties of the northers
Vre :Mem draieme, with °separative estimates of dif.
Must Oats of oatiall, sad tatdes of thereto' of the
sewage. Kr. J. TRWAITIS is the chair.
la eeoowwgqmom of a previous determination that the out
fall Mould at Bookies Creek, a amiss I,r its 'socialites
of that resointioit wee given at the last mart, and the first
subject ea the papas wee the consideration of that question.
Mr. Mama?, in perineum of that notice, moved " That
the resolution of the board of the 17th Jena 1866, adopting
the report of the engineer so far as it retells to the sates-
aim to Barking Creek. sad also the resolution of the board
of the 12th August, 1866, argativieg the (Slowieg amend-
ment, vie., • That the discharge of the main °Wall sewer
es the southern side of the Theism be mad* at a point in
the Rimr Themes es the Surrey side, westward of &Ws,'
be revoked, with a view t. the consideration of all, and the
adoptiee of either of the several systems of drainage set
forth fa the engineer's report of the 26th of September,
1868."

Mr. How. seocnded the motion, aed reinttet that as a
former occasion they had twat tied up from the considers.
tioa of the whole iptestioa *tough regalatioas made by
themselves.
Ma. D'irIANORI supported the motion, which was put
cad anted. . . .

The my istion was theft rescinded.
Mr. Csarasis, who bad the following anise of anion
on the paper, " That the er giusee ripen he allopied se far
as it relates to the radian at B on the pas," add he /IV
rotted to dad that @Joey moaned of the based wen still
in (avow of what he must call a most neesoareas sense la
their desire to carry the sewage of the metrepelde to Boa
Reach. He sonteaded that it wee a mossimens seisms for
use part of the sewer would contain 16,000,000 *alio fist of
sewage • sad if they added the breach from Oteuawin
they Would then bays an average discharge of seedy
20,000,000 tmbie feet of sewage which they proposed to
assay to the sea. He did not consider that he could better
desselbe nob *enema this by adoptiest a description that
had already ben gives to it by Mr. Leslie, for it would
bosoms one vast and eloagated cesspool from Loodos to the
ma. It might be **soldered by some persons vary desirable
to snot a tower which should resell to the skies, while
anther would wish to peasants to the 'lldpi:ides, so that
the amass of the prof...dors of sash schemes should be
beaded down to postanty; but it would be for the board to
say U they were prepared to cad the burden of each met
spat the tadpole's. He doubted as to the possibility of
doing It ; bat, as to the propriety of doing so he believed
that every amasser, their own included, would set his face
span it; sad therefore he at once dismissed No. 4 enema
as is. that the board could sot for a moment materials. If
same isemben coateaded that ander no circumstance
should they discharge the gowns into the Thames, neither
of the schemes at present before the board would get
them out of that difamty, and, such being so, be knew
of no plea far as gentian that waS so aaobjectioa-
able, and so far removed from human habitation,
as that pronged between Eritls sad Wriolwieb. He
should hen wished that an immediate usurer had been
veteran to Sir Benjamin Hall, pieties out to him the dit•
ninthly of carrying out the works at the pont proposed,
although it might be opened to a teatudeal diMeolty M the
at of palisades. If his peopesitiea was carted, he should
propose that a deputation should wait upon the Beard of
Works, it point out the reason why they were celled upon
to spead upwards of two millions of mousy ear carrying the
wasp boreal the place they considered necessary, aid
that If nog did so it would be manly for the purpose of
=Vwith a technied difficulty I. the set of palia-
I foe the late:refines sad veto of Use government
asp
_Amid have made progress is their we and he
dialled act that but for the letter of Me B. Hill, they
should then have had a number of entreat. ea/wed into
Ace eareying out the weeks they erigisally geopesed. He
eneladed by inseng the adept* of the easneet's repsst,
dike is It relates to the nein al at the plea;
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Kr. Boutir soseoded diss ostlita with rest pleassis is
a lay sawatiso el the bassd, tor he inked as Us qeesties is
• popular sad set ea • supeelidal sossal. H. had lately
leaked at sit the plasm, sad he timed that It was the duty
of ilbo bond oat to spead 140,0001. War it wse itossid.r•d
to be sdostotsio oessiesszy, for they ought to t.lui sere of
it = tie witispayess, mil be opposed to the trial
whisk WO% poodhly fail. H. should he
Mims* eon Is me the loud doh fast, sad was opposed
to 416141N8 fads(..ll the umber **Thaws. That was s
ran 116111 Mil 4 WM WON the, had as
assonose of 10 to 1 soalost • Adam whoa bookish' perhaps
make up Ids Wad toil As It was, however, be mw before
thaw • cheaper sal better plan, sad be preferred ass la
rid* is Mei risk wee loomed. There was soothes
ousettos. sad It eartalaly did set to him appose wise
to sanest twitter all the sewage asd tha Waft%
mad Wiese ed at ewe pods( it iato the rim

near whore it fell, to take it in a coveted
sewer for thirty miles to the an, The withdrawal of
that rainfall might have a prejudicial effect on the Thames,
and might at some future time be brought an a serious
charge against them. In this matter he believed that they
might rest on the judgment of Mr. lisselgette, their
engineer, and therefore he (Mr. Seeley) leaned to the side
of economy by adopting the ensign and safer method.

Mr. DOVLSON said he should move an amendment to
this motion, end at aOlllll length contended that U this
motion was 'greed to, and they went up to government with
the plan, it would be returned to them, like their
former one, for it was not in compliance with the terms of
the sot of parliament. The 135th section of the act of par-
liament which they were called upon to carry oat, said that
the setrage should not be diecharged within the metropoli-
tan area, and yet they proposed to go up with a plan that
did not meet that* terms of the act of parliament. He
concluded by movies es an amendment, 0 That this
board, having had coder their consideration the 135th
section of the Metropolis Local Idenagemeat Act, together
with the interpretation put upon its weed@ by Mr. Austin's
letter of 2adJuly,lB66,sod by the clerk, in his opinion deli-
vered to the board on the 22nd et July, 1856, ie cot pre-
pared to approve of any plan icr the drainage of the
metropolis which would permit any part of the sewage
thereof to flow or pats into the Rover 'Thames, or return
within the limits of their jested:Won."
Mr. HOMO seconded the amendment, and wee io foveae
et diammidatthe entire question whether they should go at
no* as Nsesb. 11 they adophrd the pima proposed b
Mr. Cerpesel, and they went up with it to government, Es
believed that it would be returned to them, and they would
be again " snubbed," as they bad been before.
Mr. WA2I said he had heard it stated that whateitir
plan was adopted a Certain portion of the *ewers meat
find its way late the Thames ; and if that was au, the objEC-
' tion conveyed by the words of the amendment would apply
to all schemes that might be proposed.

The Caatamnis said that it could not be sup„ossd in
eases of storm and overflow rainfall that all sewage could be
kept out of the Thames ; and thought if the amendment
was curled that is would tie up the hands of the board
horn adopting any plan whatever. Therefrre he thought
the amendment was one that could not be put.

The amendment was then, by leave, withdrawn.
Mr. Wtr.zumott thought, considering the difficulty that
erlated as to the tams of the act of parliament, that, peters
finally adopting any plea, they sh,uld bare en ict, tview
with the Chief Commissioner of Works, to ascertain
interpretation of the terms of the eat of parliament.
Mr. LULTI said that few persons appeared to unfit rstand
the words of the 136th section of the aot, for t.y the first port
of the clause they were required to make sewers to csiry
away the sewage, and by toe last past of It to make other
sowers to carry off the drainage and rain 'mid() w. Be
wished to ask the legal adviser of the board whether that
was not the proper interpretation of the act?

The Cu= (Mr. Woo It'd)) did not consider that the
board true called upon to roLke two acts of sewer., but
were left to their discretion, end to enable them to do so the
14081 aaaaa bad cutter/id upon thins large powers, end in
addition to mama sewers, to form collateral *ewers to diets
that object.

Mr. Data opposed the reeolution, and objected altogether
to any whew for going ander the Thames.

Mr. Deputy HARRISON was willing to take the opinion
of their own &nines?, is set forth in pegs 8 of his report,
in which he said, " I em still, after mature comideration,
of opinion that the second proposition, or the exteirdon of
the outtalk to Halfway Reach, would fully satisfy the
requirements of the legisleture, and be effective in • sani-
tary point of view, as *Beady explained in my former
reports upon Wm subject. This plan would not greatly
lures. the engineering difficulties in executing the works ;
end, wrestled@ expenditure, it presents considerable adven-
ture ever say of the other plane. The exteeeion to
Legg Beach appears oleo to meet the required objet, in •
smithery point of view, although the outfall would not be so
remote hem habitations as that at Halfway Reath ; and if
the former is objected to, it becomes qui suanable whether
this will be considered sufficiently advantageous to justify
an ineremed expenditure of upwards ei threcquartere of •
million." If the plan was adopted at point B, it would
serve ell the requirements of the public, and save en enor-
mous expense, and therefore he was at issue with those
gentlemen who wished to carry the sewage down to either
'forgave Worthing, or Brighton. If they were to carry
the magi' to Muchinvereek, is Baez, it would be most
unfair to the inhabitants of the city of London that those
works should be done at their expense. If the inhabitants
of Bases were to have the benefit of the drainage, they
ought ha common fairness to eoutributo 'something se the
exposes. After some further observation', ha said that
he was is favour of the point of outfall being at B on the
plan, which went three miles lower down the river then
the limits of the isetrapolis, end he Loped that it would he
adopted.
Mr. Sarum moved an amendment to the effect that
the outfall for the sewage should be at a point that was not
within the Units of the metropolis.
Mr. Burirrown seconded the amendment, and in doing
so said he regretted that a motion he submitted on • former
occasion was negatived, which was tat the chairman and
several members of the board should wait Upon the Chief

Commissioner of Works and ascertain what were his view'
arm this subject, for if they west on discussing a plea
which the geverement would not sanction they would only
be wastiag their time, sad that they would not only have
the vox isspodi, but their own roniciencee spinet them.
Their own clerk had given his cpicion as to the point pro-
posed, in which he had said that if the sewage was dis-
charged in Halfway Reach it would be a " close above."
Bach being the legal opinion of their (Hoer, it
was his (11r. Bristowe's) belief that if they adopted that
aloes shave their plans would be sent back to team. He
did not believe that the public would object to the ex-
pense of a lugs and sdicient system of seweiege which
should be effectual and relieve the Thames from its present
impurities. -

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Mr. rosins supported the mediation, and said that be
was ssrprised to hear portions urge that Stith, Gravesend,
and other towns would be injured by the works proposed.
Did not all the sewerage of London go by Erit t and Graves-
end now, sad mild they make it wens than it was et pre-
, seat l Why, by the contemplated works Erith, Grevesrnd,
sad Tilbury would be benefited, inasmuch ss they would
set have a particle mote sewage pest &rah then they had
at present, sad that it would be diluted with a ninth larger
amount of water.

Mr. LULUS said of all the transparent fallacies he had
feet hoard uttered, **spine& just delivered by the hon.
miimbse km liapalaad was the most so, for his argument
was that alfhsagY they might have the same amount of
sewsge past Grays sad Gravesend there was a great differ-
mien in having it pent op in an enormouo fibers= of 10
sores, sad dbalierged In two hours, to having it pasting
gradwally at all hours of the tide. It had been said that
they had got three miles beyond the metropolitan area, but
having moonily measured ir, he was prepared to say that
taken fa a direst line it wee only fivi-eighth cf a mile
below that area. H. would ask the inhabitants of
Hampstead, who returned the honourable nienirer if
they weth prepared to support him in the @airman'
expense that would be iicurred in taking the rainfall
into the beware, which added 105 per cent. to the
entire estimates Of Mr. Ifasslgette. The resent plan would
merely create on enormous eestp3ol at a cost of five millions
which they would be able to raise under the authority
of the present set of parliament, and is c ,reclusion he hoketf,
Bathe only safe theme, that they would negative Kr. Carp-
' maerermolution.
The CHAIRMAN then put the question, when there ap-
peared—
Fee the amendment
Against it l7-3

Mr. CaILLi then moved, as another amendment, " that
the deodorising works recommended by the engineer at
Barkintereek be adopted," but this unendeturt wss not
persevered in.
Mr. Watowr said be should vote for the motion, en the
ground that scientific men at the pr.sent day had not made
up their minds as to what should be done with sewage
manure. Until that question wee dctermiLed it wouli be
impassible for them to say whethir or not they should carry
the outran line down the river.
The CitAIRILUt then put the original motion, when
then appeared—
For the motion
Against it l7-2
The motion was therefore negatived.
Mr. Infirm then roes to move the subject of which he
bad given notice. which was for tbe pupse of freeing the
Thames from offessive sewage matter, and prepsring the
same for mgviculturel purpose.. In support of his stews he
produced a long document, which generally condemned the
terror, see made of the public ter, soil the injudicious
conelesices to which bad rushed in the
aboliticn of cesepixils. The offensive matter, It was alleged,
might be removed in the eight by menus of waggon from
collecting simper, and converted into sewage manure for
fertilising purpoow, wtich could not now be done when it
was mined and diluted with rainfall and subsoil water. He
earaluded by moving "that the engineer be directed to
report whether, in tits judgment, soy practical means can be
adopts/ for the purpose of diverting the offensive sewage
matter from the Thames other than tholes pointed out in his
repot.
Mr. Dana seconded the lotion.
Mr. D'l 'PANGS* said that he had lately visited Paris,

sad had than inquired se to what was dosiiiiith the sewn;
of that city. Re touad that it was temovel from toe
bosses at ooesiderable espouse to the lababitaata, and the
sale of it was all bst saprodaetive.
The notion was them pat sad astatived.
The eakdeet wee adjoanted shortly btfore 5 o'clock mita
Wedamday link.