The Express.
London, England, 1859-06-08 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 8, 1859.

he •oul4 gladly lay down the ore nit ility he had as incied,
i.ut , ,nerderieg the stets of t tern Afore, be thous hi it wit
f. 4• slat) to bin roe. yearn wilt to trio do at tom pest. He 114,1
, oi epted , 01, sib the infra. ion i f ameba' to thecoun-
t try la ere of • defeat in the iliu vof Colmar.. He den'ed
• tie analogy which hat been drown boron the tr.-
rogations of 1841 sad 18)9; ani, although be ~,,,.i admit
the mourn et were I. a minority, at the ere time he was
egav that no goverment c mid be formed so strong sad
gelid as the or In itO r. In :Pinning the forbearnar
which hod berm ezetoleid is foreign effeire by t iie *oration,
he thearltt their abstinence us other enbjeete had been as
meek dr to that dear ion se to their justlye or modern.
don. The di•solutioe we not to di.cover share the
country approved Ur of rev bid, but whether it op.
cirdthe of firma that adopted by Its opponents.
epwstino earn
(the role earl nattered) was under-
stood by the country. It wee this—Ace yea peerred Is the
mart seta teeter dales to give theme raiment such • sup-
pat seer feeble them to awry is the affetre air coustry,
or are yen repard to Or that empert to my other pasty
My large, lee raralt le before rm. I admit it i• n 4 alto-
/abet arglelarry—that !marmoset le la a peeler it is
sr deinillie for them to be pieced is; hat, with read to
Amiga policy and foreign akin, 1 ea emir that the
ematay will give • roarer and manksene supper to the
mow we Mee pursued. By the anweewe breconiesineed
we ere dransioad to abide, mg I think it is sufficiently
meows that ea this enbieet Mere is no difference
drake la the mantes% (Her, hear.) No data there'
her been toreador of individual opinion, bat with them
1 bar nothing to do. I can oily ripest what I have said
bran that with political sympathies the grimmest Me
seeing to do. Oa 'het question I am sure vonr loreldpe
will expect and require from me the Wilmot reserve • but 1
hare never concealed toy feeling.; I have slam ear that
if this we was • questim of 'tale, or my ether nation„ meek-
ins to sumedpate itself by its own efforts from the matrol of
a lorries power, to onbstittre for a foreign army Its
own Imo institutions, I appareled the sympathise and the
priests fermis of every man is this country would
be Is rarer of the sneers, of such ea attempt;
tee, my lords, is th.t Is say err the ere
in the prime struggle In Italy ? Do we tee there a sodas
seeking to emeacipate itself by its own porn from forelga
control, sad to eatotitute for Austrian goverment liberty
and tree institutions!' Bat eves if it were, whoever or
sympathies and ferns might be, we hive obligations as •
weir, we are bound by trate.. sad by internal nod I ter,
not to Maitre or give festive effect to our empathy. Bet
in this case, wide I may esy I cannot speak with spprovsl
of the erne et Astoria, and while I Late no sympathy
with he rak or the form of bet goverment, yet I
must say this is • wet undertaken under false pre-
tences ; it is act • war for Meaty or freedom,
it lea war I. which Sardinia, by taking the load in forcing a
straggle ea lusty, has seriously dreged the sense of con-
*Medina government, which every friend of Serdinia mutt
deer to see thrive ant proem, and has Moira that • go-
vernment with free iestitutices Is not is. grasping, lees
domed to self-agrandleaseet, or lea prone to disturb Me
peace of the world, this the most despotic. I do not say
when the blame testi., but I do say that on natter ads do I
see out& tint reason for enconaring all the boners of wee.
If the partite was so direr, then were So Mier
mien bares them Math might sot have Men
solved by friendly negotation. (Hear, bar) This
country armee feel sympathy with either the 'hi for
W moors se drat of either except as it may lead to pence;
bee I bola his or imperative duty to maintain what we have
eneemend Mm the tint, • strict and imperial neutrality
bars the ecooevetteg parties. My lords, the potties of a
aortal policy is one epee to mach eterision, sad involves the
eratry which err to maintein It la the possibility of giving
errd complaint or efface to the/variants; sad deny
"arms WINS war to waging around demrmines to maim
Me neutrality, it is his boar's duty at the as..
time to plus the country is possession of the
means to secure her safety. I believe the bore
and the country are unanimous is the belief that at remit
• neutral le the oily policy, but I Lelieve they are equally
maser that the unly centrality likely to be respected, se
to Me this matey its proper ladueoce, ism armed new
trebly ; weer not for the purpose of aggression but for the
protailee of our own shores. If 1 am asked whether I
my mend fear of Maroc I say nom whatever.
? rlietale then never was a time wen this country was mare
free from say Mager i f invasion ; but when I me the armies
and Mess which other eountnee are collecting—armies
and fleets which might give them power seriously
to datum this country almost before she had
time to melee retention—l say it is our duty, and
one is which perliament will gladly moist, to pia.* the de-
knee of the country, espe:ially its navy, ins position com-
marterate with the magnitude of the Internet., involved.
Wither rabies to cost any iteration or make any charge
ea anybody, I must *ay that when we suooeeded to power
we found the navy is • mate of warren, decrepitude, sad
absolute impotence. Oa • former occasion, wbenoompering
the state of the army in 1852 and 1858. I add the change re-
fleeted the greatest credit on those crooned, but I
told nothing of the nary; sad it say noble lord will take
the triable to look at • pezliatuantary paper, the
',suit of the inquiries of a rein committee smarted
by me to inquire lab the comparative Mate of the British
and forage rage, he will see matter for very eerier air
eiderstion. I will not go late the details, but I believe that,
in fete of all this, the peered of the government will not
meet with ri direatient voles wbea we ask tbs house to
ratify what we have does in iscreasiag the naval force
broad the wrest smactiosei by parliament; and I am sacs
I rosy repeat the words of her M•eisty's speech "I rely
with cosidere at your cordial concurrence-in this mew
swam al defensive policy." My lord., rso
emesdmmt has been moved to the address, I feel
I 0u41.1 father to apologies, to your lordships ke
hating killer ma • i long. This tiny probably be
an important aseekie of parliament. I can only ry that if in
the cores el the diseuesion of this weak ft abooM turn oat
nut only that her Majeure premier goverment does not
prose the credence of the country, bat 'het that which
motile lords opposite end the right hon. gentler., is mother
place think they have ascertained is correct, that they pad-
re's the conectios of the country to sash an ester as will
rade them to carry on the bus iota of the couatry, and if
the result of the debate in the other rase to to &racier
aid sub Hints a party which can discharge the executive
area I, gieletive faraciaas more effieteatly, I eon oily sea, I
el:ell lay down, with far atone pleasure than I took it up, the
tesry respreibili ly which now prepare as me; and se far se
• seems of girlie duty will allow, I will give them a cordial
sappiest la the discharge of their duller. But if, on the ether
bend, es I ceafilently anticipate. it should turn out by the
Y. to of the House of Common,. diet we gorse the
ef • majority. I hail with taiisfactioa the assurance of the
Tolle earl that we will sot be met with any factious oppasi-
•ion. I true that If dram does threaten us, mod If interests
are at stake. all arse of party will be lost in a cordial co-
creation either t ) secure the blessings of pews, or if us-
fro ortely ft should be rarer fry to suoport our country in
arm., tins tu mairdain by arse the influence, power, and
antbority of Oust &Owe. (Cheer.)
After • kw weeds front Lord 1314, I. 0 H AM, the address wog
areekto. . . . . . . . . .

Lrl Iladatiala War raappliat alta'ratas of convaitters.
Tbstir lardaltaps ties adjoarsei at a qaarttr past 11.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TvE,otr, JUNI7.
Tio boom remold at s gustier to 4 o'clock.
STANDING ORDERS.

Os the mein of Sir S. NO4TIRCUTZ the .tastling wain
ea. egad wad agreed to.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS.
Mr. SOTHERON-ESICOURT geo notice for Friday
Mat to moo for leave to Wing in a Will to mood the &dint-
afetratioa of criminal justice; also, to Thut"day week, •
till fur the Otter regalsno of the city of Loscbgi.
Mr. CAPLET, to Thursday wok, • bill respecting
path, plots of noreatioa sad eaarcierpostada.
Sir C. NAPIEIt, foe that day tonight, to move for a
roe treed houtry tato the wealthy; of the Admindty
)Toed, nub • vow to it. meconefructros. (taught. r.)
Mr. T. D(NCOMISE, for Tbursdsy week, to moo for
• e,py date noontime which had be.. eat to ea h of the
Alegre erns bed teen oat respectively ter the headquarters of
Ow powers garaged is this Italiew wee. sad foe onto of
whatever cooler, ad.ace eight base takes place with the
roretive governorate relative t t their respective tangelo.
Mr. WISE gave woos that he mooed to all the
angelica of the he... to the orgespoadeace which had
pawed between Lord Idalosbury sad Ur Civil Service Com-
unencere on 1.14 subject tit the Civil Service oatolestioes.
;II or.) AM to s.owe that the change which his lordship had
r.irred is the own of making &inanimate wag c &elated
to defeat tb. chisel for which no Civil Service Conioneket
bad been appointed.
Lad C. I'AGET, fur that day lortolgbl, to moo for •
maineitent to inquire into the researonsat of the abipebelld-
lag departaint of as royal navy.
Sir J. TRELAWNY, for Thunday not. to moss for
less be WM. is • bell for the abolition ut church rates.
Mr. WRIOUTIION—To move I. r the repeal of tbe
stoats d goer Ago nspeettag the vacation of 11C*14
IV tarhsmest ea Ong epposand to soy public °floe.
Mr. DILLTITTf, for sit early dn., to in in for love to
Ming is • bill be egased We law tenor to Endowed
&boon.

-I,;E. NAPIER, for that day month, to more for a
meisis's to minim into the wenagewent of Oresswich
N'APEoI•
Mr. EDWIN JAMES for Thursday, inns itt, to call the
attendee of the bona. to tLe delays sow taking piece is the
trial of petitifiness foe thraolatioa marrisgo is the Divorce
Court.

imagine if reknit occupant, of the opposite benches who
were le office is 1849, sad who, when the Hoke of Genoa was
elected King of Sicily, ealusel his flag, were now tunneler',
there might be some diffimlty, but, fa the Mete
of the preemie government the matter reamed may enough.
He believed they mead preserre, and thee they honestly in-
tended to prove, a Mimi neutrality, end more then that
could not W said is favour of any government. (kidas-
rial dams.) Tim with tegerd to reform. Thst the extreme
party both is the Lowe and out of the house might have se
confidence Whom Moloney's governeneet le that moppet wee very
natural ; bet be did not see why the country in general wee
to be identified with the views of those extreme parties.
(Hear, hear.) Bowseiag they had a dieted= upon the
motion of the eddies., t remained to be seen whet the
opini in of the home was upon the question of parliamentary
reform. For himself, be was convinced that the feeling
throughout the emetry was in favour of n moderate mea-
sure of reform; end it there woe to be such a moderate nisei
sure, the mietstry sow in power were the best fitted to pre-
pare It, and submit It to parbement. Hs believed be had
new touched upon all the salient point, of the
*peach, and thinking the house for the attention
with which he had been listened to, he would conclude by
moving the address.. The hoe. gentleman then read the ad-
drew, which was so usual en affinuatory response to the
speech, Parslffeth by paragraph.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONS seconded the motion.

The SPRAYER having put the question,
The Marquis of HARTINGTON, who was loudly
chewed, said that he Mt he owed some apology to the house
for intruding himself upon its notice on an occasion so im-
portant, but his excuse must be that be was acting under the
advice and with the laneflos of members of the house who
were older end more expo/timed than himself, who bad told
him that they considered his position, as the ropreaeutative
of en important division of • large county, and a conati-
tau, y hem which he had never concealed the strong views
he held upon the questions now under dimuesion, entitled
him to do so. This must be his excuse for arum-
lug a position which otheriviae his parliamentary
career would not perhaps warrant. The hon. manlier sub-
jected to a severe criticism the principal measures, sane of
them abortive, proposed by the present goverment. awl
especially *redeemed the manner in which they led se-
wired the sentence of the house upon their Refers NA by
dissolving the parliament at • crisis when Its advlos was an
much needed, which he characterised ea en act of realm=
end materna.. The foreign policy of the government hot
not been such as to Msufficieut to aw three leek that Obi
judgment which the house wee about to per ea
their domestic policy should be stayed. He might
perhaps be expected to touch shortly on what might
be the countenances of a successful Mu. to this
amendment. (Hear, hear.) He bad no doubt that they on
that side would be taunted in the debate with the divides.
which of late had existed in their party. (Loud ministerial
char..) It was not for him to toll the house what errand
meets had boos made—(loud ministerial sad coester-elmen.
and laughter)--or what sacrifices they oa his side were reedy
to make. (Ministerial cheers, laughter, sad load °meter-
cheers ) He Wined that the house would nun in the
mune of the debate that the different elation of
the peat liberal party were not so divided as
they bad hum. (Cheers.) They had learnt • lesson from
adversity. (Ironical cheers sad laughter.) The laden of
the different actions et that party were prepared ID co-operate
for the good of the country. (Cheers and hanisal cheers.)
Perham sled besides learning a beam tram adversity, they
bed braga Wows hour gentlemen on the other Mc (Ham
Yen.) They ea hie side admired the compact &Gleam °m-
ad, hat they did not fed certain that there were not is that
party also differences of opinion and primelples—(•. imer,"
and chsere)—far greater than say division in their (the oppo-
sition) rank.; the latter being only Mormons, la hisopinicat,of
detail. (Loud cheers and counter chews.) He must say
that the 'prospects of atoms, and the poleddlity of form-
ing a stable and firm liberal government front that side of
the house, ware now such as to give hiss wary tionldemos In
moving his intendment. He should be told no doubt, that
then wasa pony movement. (Hear, hear.) He admitted
that it we. • party moralist. (Ministerial chews and
counter cheers.) He admitted that la the present crisis of
ear domestic and f edge affairs he would rather have
the party in office which, while It represented
fully and exactly the thoughts and Gallon of all
educated clans. of England—(gnat laughter and Ironical
cheering from the ministeriel aide, and great counter-cheer-
ing) —had always bees the consistent supporters of every
measure of progress and reform. (Hear, hoar.) He would
rather see power is their banes than in that of • party whose
very mew and being ma antagonistic to all precis. (Hear.
ham.) He would rather see in office at dais of
foreign affairs the inheritors of the peed and sod
interfireace policy of Fox and Grey than those
who held the traditions of that interfering, and
subsidising policy which was characteristic of Castlereagh
and Pitt. He admitted that in this seam this was • party
movement; but he denied that it we. undertekeu for the
aggrandisement of any set of individuals or of any indivi-
dual. (Hear.) He could say with truth that office held
out no peat temptation to statesmen at the present crisis.
With Increseed armaments—which he supposed every go-
vernment must adopt—then must be Increased taxation, and
with it probable discontent In the country. The goverment
mend leave nothing but a herhsee of troubleto any statesmen
who encoeeded them, aid so aced bat form unselfish embitters.
He asked the hawse to decide this question on roods far
higher them ea Goy personal considerations. It might be a
petition of pees or war to England—(her, terear)—a queen
I bO2 of the bees sad treasure of British suhjortes He egad
if there was soma in that house who would net pat that
qualm to his conscience, end he would my that he who
did not do so failed in his duty to the homed his masticating,
and his country. He now begged to mom that the follow-
ing word. be aided to the address We beg humbly to
submit to your Majesty that It is essesUal to the satisfactory
result of oar deliberations, to the emwriag the moms of
our councils, sad to the facilitating the dbeharp of the high
functions of your Majesty, that your Majesty's government
should passer the confidesta of this house =dolt/id:matey,
and we deem It to he our duty respectfully to represent to your
Majesty theism& euclidean is not repaid in your Majesty's
present government." (Loud and long-oontinued cheering.)
Mr. BANBURY (who was indistinctly heard) said that
he rod with much pleasure to second the intendment which
had been so ably proposed by the noble lord the member fur
North Lancashire. The party to which he belonged advocated
liberal measures because theyßolieved he them, and they were
the true conservatives, for It was only such mosoures as
thine that tended to the security of the throne sad .tie con-
stitution. If the house believed with diem that those men
were In the wrong, sad that it was only by the overruling of
their efforts by Providence that the country was pre sees eil,
and If they thought that at this important crisis we ought to
bow • goverment united and connoted °Martel men, there
would be no difficulty in voting for the amendment, and thus
telling the must government that the country and the
house had no conflicting in them, and that the pablic
intents imperatively demended that they should at owe
rises. their odes..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (who was
loudly cheered) mid he found no fault with the course taken
by Lord Hartiagton and his friends, which was a °meanest
one; but he denied that there was any analogy between the
prevent case and that of 1841. It was of great advantage
that It should bs known whether the advisers of the crown
pore:seed the confidence of the house. It was desirable that
this question should be decided without delay, end he hoped
the house would be able to divide that night. He proceeded
to discuss the grounds 'mimed fee the rote of want of confi-
dence. He iodated that the failure of the government measure.
in the last parliament was not stair ground upon which to rest
such • vote in the present. He justified the dissolution, and
congratnieted Lord Hartiagton upon his having abstained
from repeating certain traeb which, he said, had, daring the
feCIIIP, been the @object of charges *gaunt the government
out of doors. Upon this Mad Mr. Disraeli spoke in terms
of severe reprehension of the allegations made by Sir J.
Chelan at Carlisle, to which he pre an indignant denial.
The supposed compact with the Roman catholica be utterly
repudiated. Tice manner la which our foreign negotiations
Led been conducted was another ground for the vote of want
of confidence ; but he contended that it was wither just nor
confirmable to the ;realm of the house to decide this ques-
tion in the absence of the necessary documents. The last
ground for the von was the feeilure of the measure of reform
proposed by the government, and their insufficiency to deal
with the question of pulls:watery reform. He oompared
that measure with the last bill upon this subject introduced
by Lord J. Rowell, and asked why the pe west minister.
should be less qualified to deal with it than that noble lord,
whose bill exhibited so many shortcoming', ot than Lord
Palmerston, who had shrunk front it altogether. Adverting
to the two mein topics in the royal speech, he said, with re-
"put to the first, the government had endeavoused by ell the
means in their power to preserve peace, and he was ready
to vindicate them on this heed. He retained the opinion he
bad formerly expressed, that the vote at which the house had
arr iveil upon Lord J. Ruaeit'e resolution had 'serious in-
fluence upon the negotiations; but still the representations
of the government, backed by public opinion, had been
lis'ened to with respect; they had since adopted the prin.
cipk of a stein end impartial neutrality, and endeavoured
to act in the spirit of that principle. With regard to the
other subject, that of parliamentary reform, he said at on,,
that It was the opinion of the g ooentmest that that greet
question could not be satisfactorily dealt with dung this
session. If that was a fur gamed for a teasers of tee
government, they wen ready to meet the Issue. At the
11•1111 U time toey did not desire to shrink from the responsi-
bility dealing with this question, which ought not to he
monopoltsed by say penes or pate. Ile reviewed come of .
the element.. of ty
„ration, meintaining that the pettiest'
government were adz free to deal with it without being
bound or hamper by their proposition in the last parliament.
I hive now, sir (c dialled the right hon. academe), ven-
tured to touch upon all the points os which the noble lard
the member for Dew,ssbtre has founded kis voted( want of
confidence. I think I have shown the home that they are
very flimsy, feeble, and illusory—teat he has not entered
tale those deceiLs, act easblished gone yrisayleo, which

could justify • new parliament in coming to so grave a de-
cision. (Hear, Mar.) I have natured to point out to the
house the principles upon which our foreign and domestic
policy is aetabliaW. Our foreign policy, notwithstanding
whet has cectuTed, will still be founded on pesos se the great
principle we mesa to encourage; and our dome foie policy
upon the principle of progress. (Cheers.) These are the
principles upon which our policy will rest, and we ask from
the new Howie of Commons nothing but a constitutional
confideeca. We do not pretend that we roams, and we do
not aspire to power, the obedience of disciplined legions
which, to use the expression of an eminent liberal, are ready
to vote that black le white with regard to public questions.
(Laughter.) That is not what we seek to obtain. But we do
believe that they will not take the earliost opportunity, on
grounds le aim? of agreslag to an amendmint to the
answer to her Me :sty's most gracious speech, declaring that
the boom baa no 'confidence in the advisers of the crown.
(Hear, Seer.) Will, what does all this end in f After this
frank sad fell analysis of the charges against the mioistry—
after the explicit declaration of the policy that we intend to
pursue, and on which our mamma; will be founded, I ask the
hone* what does all this end in ? It ends in a personal
question. (Cheers.) Now, sir, I don't object to that. I
don't for • moment pretend that in our free parliament we
should necessarily avoid them questions. It is possible that
• policy may be • sound policy ; but if those who are car-
miag it out are incompetent to do so personally, that I. a
fair ground for voting a want of coofidence. I therefore will
not ground myself and my colleagues on our measures or
policy. I will meet the objection which you raise upon oar
personal efficiency. It is necessarily and naturally the most
delicate and emberraming subject on which a man can be
called upon to treat. But we have to do many things in this
house which me embarrassing and to meet many difficulties,
and therefore I will not shrink from that most disagreeable
office. (Cheers.) In olden days—in the good old time,—
I should have had no difficulty in knowing who
were our rivals sad our SUCWW/WS. I should look
upon the bench opposite and am the noble leader of the op-
opmition and his dutiogidebed colloquia in his former ad-
ministration and his present cares, and I might, without
great
personal arrogance, without any obtrudes of
and egotistical pretensions on the part of rayselland my hon.
oolleagum, have instituted • comparison bstwesn the two
bodies.„by reference to his late sdronnstration end his late '
acts, his general conduct, and his general failure. I might
under these circumstances say the beet for onreelvee and the
worst for them. (Cheers and laughter.) Bat we no longer ,
live in those good conetitutional times. I hardly know where
are oar rivals, still less do I know who are to be oar sec-
ession. (Laughter.) If it be the noble lord and his Meads,
I might contrast his policy with ours, his failures with ours, '
and make out • cam for the decision of the bouts. But then
the noble lord, who lives not in the good old times of maid-
tutMaal rivalry, but in the days of reconciled sambas—
(anibtar)—may tell the house you cannot judge of my re-
sources by the gentlemen who era sitting near me; there are
others who will come to my aid ; and by their imitteatinwid
talents, by their varied a:perinea, and by the bright evidence
of their triumphant cense, I shall form an admtniatration
which will pat you oat, se the glorious 'undoes the farthing
ruablight, and the whole country will immediately feel they
have aat rang government which Is entitled to their confidence. '
(Cheers and laughter.) Well, then, with respect to the 1
noble lord below the gangway, let me look at hint. I see
nothing there but two of the most eminent members of this
house, who have keg earl frequently been servants of the
Queen, and who, I know, are taking • very active share in '
meetings sod promedinp out at the booms. In the days of
our youth Rooms were managed by patronesses.
(Laughter.) The distinguished females that met within
those walls were ecatrolled by • doe mixture of dowagets and
youthful beauty, eoung reputations, and worn celebrities—
(taught/o—mnd it was at ma the pride of society sad the
object of ambition to gain an latrines there. New, Willie's
Rooms are under the direction of patrons, and there en two
of the patrons below the gangway—the noble lord the ma-
tor for the City, and the right hod member for Wiltshire,
who have signed the vouchers for the new members,
(Laughter.) IYell, than, there are two of the eminent
statesmen who are to form the strong ggoovernmt Wien
whom we are to pal* and be nt' . . (Laughter.) :
Now, we have had experience of both these gentlemen.
We know how the noble lewd conducts negotiations.
(Cheers and laughter.) We know how the right bon. gm-
Uinta oondnc's war. (Loud laughter.) You say that we
have failed in oar negotiations, and that we cannot be truated,
in the prospect of • possible war. Well, than, in theme
respects the noble lord and the right hon. gen-
tleman will not help you math. (Chews and laughter.)
Sir, I cannot presume to pavane the remarch. There was a
time when I thought the burning eloquence of the bra.
member for Birmingham might be found upon the
bunch, but be seems to have yielded up those claims=
ones Wife announced with that uncompromising eloquence
white all admired. I don't know whether, if we are at war,
the has. member for Birmingham will pursue it with the
same vigour with which he meets domestic constituencies
and exercises such an indoence at home. (Laughter.) I
do not see where the materials of that government which is
to conduct negotiations with ability and prosecute war if
necessary with edleleacy is to he; found. (Cheers and
laughter.) So far with regard to personal questions and
those whip ere still in opposition. Then with respect to this
side of the boom we have benches well filled. I can only
say, and I believe I may speak for soy colleagues with the
same einoerity and troth, I have never for a moment permitted
my personal claim' to stand in the way of any who on them
teaches are more willing or more able to advocate the views
of their party and to serve their cannery. In toying this for
myself I may also say for my colleagues that we should con-
eider it our personal duty to retire from the positions
we fill if any gentlemen on this aide of the house
want to challenge them to do so. I have at all
times been reedy to wave my personal claim If
by so doing I could confer any advantage upon the
country. But with regard to the other side of the house
there I. no matiedistory seldom* to show me that the proposed
change would be mitisbaktry to the country. (Cheats.) No
doubt it is much to be regretted that from the dislocation of
in this country, end the peculiar state of things which
parties
obtained in this home, the area of selection for the
public service, is far more limited than I for one could desire.
Bra it is not the fault of parties who all these benches.
Whetever may be the faults and errors of the Wry party it is
not • federation of great families. (Cheers.) The govern-
ment of Lord Derby, whatever its faults, was not established
upon an exclusive bade. Wherever the was ability it we.
recognised, and if all could not be placed in positions which
they were competent to Inlet, every ans on those benches is
conscious that men were preferred became they were thought
to be worthy of the offices which they were called upon to fill.
(Cheers.) If there is no ground for believing that there are
men more competent to anion the affairs on that aide of the
house and to take cur place, and that If It be the fact that on
this side of the home then is • difficulty in bringing mom
competent men forward, I ant not sere the bows will gain
much by the; return, in any combination end say form, of
the noble lord and the right lion, gentleman to this aide of the
hones. (Cheers and laughter.) I have seen with satisfaction
the tendency of the house to Increase the area of selection
for the public service. The more you settle the controverted
questions which have for years embarrassed and embittered
the house, the more you will remove the °listed.' to that
great result. It the question of pirliamentary reform were
settled, the extension of the area of selection would bei gnarl
increased. I hope the bourne will nit hastily adopt en
went, which has come front tee who, although I wish to
speak of hint with all the reaped which his speech to-sight
deserves, represents exactly that limited and exclusive party
which has practically made the federation of great families
the only source from which the public, service is supplied.
(Chasm.) The course which bas been taken to-night ie • too
eager one. I think it would have been as well if boa. gen-
tlemen had paused and taken mother occasion upon which to
itddrms the crown. But I do not complain of the course they
have taken upon this ground. It ie of paramount importance
at this, moment that the decision of the house 'should not be
delayed. (Hear.) I speak with the most solemn conviction
of the nada of what lam stating. I know tbs t when I
adverted to that topic at the beginning of my observation, On y
were met with some mechanical cheers home some naknowa
quartile. AU Ima say Is, that the individual or Individuals
from whom these exclamations came are at least free from
the great Tmeordbility which rests upon the advisers of the
crown. It la of paramount and vital importance that the
decision of this house should not be delayed If partible, 24
hours. (Cheers and laughter.) Why should you seek to
delay It? The Wee is clear. Does not everybody in the
house fully comprehend it ? It is sot merely for the edema-
Lige of the public service—it is for the alvirstege of the
kingdom, for the best intends of the crown, for this beat in-
terests of Europe, that the voodoo should be settled, and
settled lam. Mandy. (Cheers.) If it is decided egaiast me
I shall &wept the &elan without& murmur. 111 sit upon
the bench.. opposite I shall give to my sucoeseors, and I am
NM
my consortia will do the same, end I think I can an-
swer fur those who have honoured us with their confidence,
that we shall give to our accoreeers. .4 lOW as they pursue
• constitutional coarse in home and in foreign affairs, that
support which every party is prepared and ready to give t s the
ministry of the country in momenta of emergency.
But if, on the other band, the new parliament is of opinion
that the amendment that ham been brought forward to-night
is one that is just or justified, on us will remain, both as re-
garde ear domestic, but especially as regard, the manage-
ment of our foreign relations, ea great • weight, as grave •
ditty, an 'mini a responsibility as ever devolved upon the
shoulders of any government; but from that duty and from
that responsibility, however grave and however powerful, we
, do not shrink. (Loud and prolonged cheering.)
Lord BURY, in supporting the amendment. observed
that her Majesty's minister, bad by the diseolutioa
• of parliament directly raised tbe issue of con-
' fldence or no confidence in the administration of

Lord Derby. and It was from no factions or improper motive
that the earliest opportunity wu taken to &terrain° this
here. In the prevent state of altars, he was not diepoied to
intrust the not of our foreips regetirtions to the pram nt
government, the shieerity of whos professions of neutrality
he distrusted, and who, in hie opinion, had shown a putielity
towards nutria.
Mr. MELLOR likewiee ruppwted the amendment. He
urged the folly of the late di...tutting, cud that it was not
sale to untrue' t►e que,tion of reform to the penal go•
cerement.

Ur. II GESSEN, advocating the muse aide of the quota
tioo, 11l timd the 'ingot .r silence which prevailed en the
piwitio benches. Like preoediog opzakers, he eandenined
the late dissolution, and observed that it was incongruous to
expect liberal measures from s coneervstive government.
Sir C. NAPIER mail he did not the to speak for or
against the amendment, but upon the defence of the °pantry.
Re gave the present government credit for put tng the navy
lan a hotter condition that. in which it had been let by
their predecessor., but be nis:re4 that it ought to h.ve been
got iaW a mill bettor 'tete, sad he called apen eke Pint

sLurje ot.d the
"Rl"'
to give attain xplanatione upon the
Mr. WILSON spoke In support of the amendment, rest.
ing his vote not on the mere question of the diseolut ion, of
which he complained, nor only upon English, but upon
European grounds; he reseal it, he mid, likewise upon the
management of the various departments at the goverumeat,
and upon matters clearly caseated with the administra-
tion of the government. He proceeded to show
what be believed to be the insecure state of the
public finance!, the vicious administration of those
finance,. ani, lastly, the errors in the forgive
policy of the government. Upon the financial points
be entered into figured details relating to
income and expenditure, contending that, while
the former had fella short of the estimates, the latter
had exceeded them; and he attacked the policy of the go-
verment in relation to the traumatise postal contracts sad
arrangements. He reviewed minutely their widget In rola-
tion to the negotiations which, he contended wee not calms
lated preserve the pesos of Erma, and with regard to the
question of neutrality, expressions bed Men need, he
remarked, in the other hoses, by Loa Derby, which raised
• suspicion of the sincerity of minable a~rea tW pellet.
Mr.DIOBY SEYMOUR protested agedne4 the time Pith*
house being occupied with irrelevant qusetion, nod earl
why independent members should be called urn to follow
certain leaders of parties, like sheep, and to turn out the
government of Lord Derby without trial. He should vote
agates the amendment.
Mr. LAINO mid he had considered the question, as wall
al Mr. Seymour, upon independent, not upon party grounds,
sad had come to • different conclusion. The governmeat
had failed in presinving the peace of Europe, and be thought
that neutrality would be more likely to ho uisintathed by •
amid government.
Lord PALMERSTON (who was received with cordial
sheen) refirrlag to the silence of tho opposite party, asked
hew the ken could place confidence in those who had no
entadance In themselves? It was • most extraordinary
spectacle, he observed, that a government charged in the
face of the house with being unworthy of the confidence
of parliament and the country should eft silent under each • '
charge. Upon every grouted their mistakes in Mena
legislation, the errors in their foreign policy, and the MOM
they had pursued in regard to the dissolutioa--spea
all them grounds the house, in hie opinion, was justified fa
withholding its confidence from the government. He dwelt
upon their fauns in domestic legislation, contending that
they jar itkd the house in refusing to place confidence In them
upon that ground, as well as upon the ground of their disso-
lution of parliament, which deprived the country of the
benefit of its *Arlo@ in a great crisis. Having shown them-
selves unequal to deal with domestio affairs, the
government had evinced much more their WOOF
potency to manage our foreign relations, the comes
they had pursued having, in hie opinion, brought
ea the war. I should like (continued the noble lord)
to know how many men In the home approved of that elan.
lotion. I em not 'peeking of the personal inconvenience to
which members on both sides were exposed, but of the posi-
tion in which the dissolution placed the government .f this
country in a great crisis. (Cheers.) Many things have
happened which clearly show that whatever other gifts the
government might poems, they did not possess the gift of
prophecy. (Laughter.) If they had looked with
statesmanlike eyes to the condition of Europe, and
the condition in which Europe might be before
parliament could assemble again, they ought not to have de-
prived themselves ol Its assistance, end they ought net
without the consent of parliament, to have increased thi
aftebliehmente of the country. Nothing but the most abso-
lute necessity could have justified them in depriving them-
selves of the assistanos of parliament. I say that the course
they pursued was an unconatituth nal course, bemuse to add
materially to the military or naval est...hindmost*s of the
°emir, when parliament Is not sitting, tutted. such Increase
is called for by some overruling neoessity, knot in accordance
with the principles of the constitution. (Cheers.) What the
overruling necessity was we have not bean to-night, because
tiny keep theirseeret to thanaelvee. No member of the go-
vernment had risen to explainwhat wee the imminent danger
which malted the increased our establishment. whilst per.
Hems& was not sitting to give its sanction to that Menem
(Chess..) I do not and bolt practically with what has been
(Ministerial cheers.) Bat I find fault with them for
dacitz theineelme Ina conditioe which obliged them to set
zasaaer, and without any necessity, and is opposition
to their duty. (Cheers.) We are told by the Chancellor of
the Exchequer that a delay of even 24 hours in our decision
willyroduos some unknownand awful peril. Now if • doubt
upon the mind of foreign governments as to whether
her Majesty's government has or has not the support of par-
liament may produce such mad results, how mime it that the
government thought themselves justified In ending away
parliament and placing themselves fur six weeks is two
months in that situation when peril must era to the greet
intermits of the country? (Cheers.) No doubt the position
in which it stood before was not calculated to give strength to
the government with regard to our foreign relations, because
• government that exists upon sufferance and is Sable to be
overthrowa from weak to week cannot expect foreign go-
vernments to mew into negotiations with them with the
confidence that their policy will be punned !,:7their sue-
ceases. (Cheers.) I say, considering the pen= in which
they were, If they bad brought in another reform bill it
would have been much better for the interests of the country
then the total absence at parliament, and the mon than
doubt that must have existed in the minds of Europe as to
whether the gonna:mot had the support of parliament end
the country. What wee the Issue they put before the
country? They declared that they dissolved parliament
because they had not the support of the majorby, end it must
have remained doubtful whether the &Eska would give them
the majority which they had not, and whether such • maim.
✓ beily would returned as would give stability to their tenure of
°Moe. I say that such • dissolution wee' culpable proceeding.
(Cheers.) It wee a 'menacing of what mleit have been great
public Interests foe the purpose of obtaining a few votes at
the different hustings. The right hon. gentleman spoke
with great levity of the charges which had been made against
the government for the linguist proceeding. which have
taken place at the elections. I am not going to enter into
that question now, but I will venture to tell him that before
' any great length of time has passed there will be plenty
of evidence of the fact. (Cheers) If the government
showed themselves unable to any an the domestic lestielse
tiro of the country, much more so have they
shown themselves In the management of our fo-
reign relations. (Cheers.) It is mid that we must not
express an opinion on that point in the absence of blue boob,
but there is sufficient evidence before us to tell the story.
We know the outline of what has passed. I have no doubt
the government did what they thought beat calculated to
prevent the war but my opinion is that the course which
they pursued broughti on the war. (Cheers.) Their great
notion was that the danger of war mom from France and
findinia—that if they held language hostile to France and
Sardlois, and patrouisiog towards Austria, there would be
so war. Up to the very last moment their belief wee that if
they could only threaten France with hostilities, and
bitimeto to Europe that in the event of • war
breaking out, they would be found on the side
of Austria, peace would be reserved, and war pre-
vented. (Cheers, and " Oh, oh.") They ought to have
known whilst holding that language that Austria het de-
cided for war; but at the moment when the eight hon. gain-
man was talking of the dignified and conciliatory conduce of
Austria and the suspicious conduct of Sardinia, that sum-
mons wee on its way to Saedisia which the noble lord at the
head of the government a week afterwards at the Maslen-
house was obliged to declare rendered Austria criminaL
(Hear, hear.) It is plain that they were Ignorant of the
Sere of affairs—thatthey were uninformed aa to what was
going on—that they were nods a delusion and believed the
an er of war to be imminent en the lert of Frame
end S ordinie, and that there wee no danger on the pert of
Austria. II they bad known what was wont on at Vienne,
and the mien' ions of the Austrian government, they would
have held different language. It there had been • govern-
ment puss. wing the confidence of parliament, and reefing on
In support I cannot but believe that the use of &m and
temperate lingusge would have induced Austria to abstain
frees that act of aggression which, in the opinion of the bead
of the government converted Austria nisi the coed.tiou of $
criminal. (Cheer.) I cannot permede myself that a go-
remanent which was actuated by stateenuinlike news and
carried with lithe support of the tiountry,woull not have been
able to prevent the outbreak of the war. (Cheers.) These
things lead me to the conclusion that the government Is out
entitled to the confidence and support of parliament with re-
gard to its foreign relations any more than with reepect to its
domestic cent erns. (Cheers.) We are told we ought not to
Mee • moment in coming to • decision. Now, whose fault kit
that so mach delay hes taken placer Why did not the dine-
lution take place • weak earlier And the parliament re mai&
sooner than it has done? The question for decision is winner
the electors have or have uot given a majority to the govern-
ment, and I contend that the couree which we are now
pursuing Is the manly and constitutionel course. The
appeal to the country was to determine whether the govern
met possessed its confidence We should be failing in oar
duty and disappointing the expectations of the country if we
eat silent here and allowed judgment to go against us by de-
fault. My belief is that the verdict will be against the
government, but whatever it may be the question ought to
he settled. It is not in accordance with the principles of
the counitutlon that the government should owe its
existence to the enhance of the petty oppond
to it. (Hoar, he If the dccision should be ad-
verse to the goverment , I think, without going into the
comparative merit. of individuals, the risks of the liberal
party will milord the means of forming a government quits as
efficient as that now sitting on the benches opposite. (Chien
end laughter) Having lost three of its most important
out mbar, looking at the remnant of this shattered adminie-
natio°, I think it is no great presumption an our part to
say that it is possible to hem • government cesibitung ele-
emote derutoong of as much cosfidence as any that can be
found on the treasury bench. (Cheers.) But it we should
be detested it would be much better than to continue
in nor premot online. (Cheers and laughter.) I are not
in t to treat daunted by the Indication. which come la isarti-
cu's, rounds from gentlemen on the ether side. If they
consider theineelves in the majority, I would rather it should
be proved by counting in the two lobbies than consent to the
c amain. of the present uneastiturional course of pro-
ceediug. If gentlemen opposite have reasons to urge against
the ascend mint, lit the nation hear what they have to an—
te the country, and let Europe know the grounds on which
they claim the maddens of the country. Then are platy

of gentleman on this vide of the hones prepared to answer
thew, and then we shall ba prepared to accept the vote
as concluvive evidence of the real opinions of the pee*
Mr. Etetjeant DEASY now moved the eiljourninent
the debate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested
that it should be resumed on Thursday.
The suggestive was acceded to, and the home adjottresd
at half-peat 12.