The Express.
London, England, 1859-07-29 00:00:00

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=say that, ahhongh tha right hon. ruttemea op- .
treat the mgeaeration of Italy as an
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dm, and damn It worthy of a sneer, I must say that if
a orantry es beautiful and to fertile,so endowod by nature, in
vhkat have misen So many man of genius of every kind—that
country "Wok has been the subject of the some melancholy
°haunt, from the deys of P•Werch in the four &nth century.
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to those ot Leopardi in the nineteenth—lf that °pantry c:ot
be plead in a position which shall give her some &owe for
her talents and her ener<ies, and shall enable her to
take the pleas she ought In Europe so one of
the Sampan famUy, I for see, and I apprehend the
whole of her Majesty's government, will rejoice to sae

it (Cheers.) -
Mx. DIEM/Oaf maid that or portion of the noble lord's
addrese hod produced a weals *Fee of obscurity which

ft would ►e linkable to remove, lie referred ar tier terms

offered, or supposed to have been awed, to the Emperor a/
Austria, and which. in his opinion, wen ter more savers than
thaw presented to him by bis opponent. It would be deer-

able, ser I. noble lord 12;t1 chases; to Much on the subject, if
he bad oommunicated to the bolas a little more light on it—

(hear, heer)--the situation of affairs was so critical, so much
depended on the conduct of the government at the present
moment. The influence of parliament, from the period of
the year, was en limited that he should offer the haute no

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apology for following the noble lord. They would only he
doing their duty to their oanstimenta and the ovoutry In
taking some means of making the opinions of the Room of
Commons known to the government . The noble lord had
conveyed hie information to the ham In rather asubignotui

tiros : A &aunties had hint ands by do *lnerar
of Austria that he carload to the present poser,

although nosatiafactory, because it was shown to
him that he could only obtain severe term,' from his neutral

present moment, for that the saestions of religious toleration
sad free worsitip would lateness. But these were
points which would not come under the cognisance
of a coefederation ; they you! be mitten settled by
each government. But if the noble 1 were even
right, if the federative primal* wen not likely to work
• snd according to hie view this (wacky ought not to
interfere, if the principle of rellgiosse liberty would suffer,
then the house might well ask whether it wee desirable
isetur to ecth th z t
fu
for
ToEnglandtoattedttism a
Italy faren rass
w. meat d
. If weose it wpm wen es-the
basis of the treaty of Villefranco—a treaty which was
pretty universally eoneidersd throughout the country .5 not
of the meat promising character. Hat supports tide nen
.out so, and that we were to go into the WWII. to Wing
about a state of affairs is Italy dieregarding the treaty
of Vilktranca, and upon terms not considered by
those who entered Into this war. In such a
case either we should effect our object or we
should not. If we failed, thee our interference would be re-
Noted by all parties; and if we succeeded in establishing la
Italy a patio& state, under the programme of Milan--or the
programme of Tiverton, which was cast in the mains mould—
(lnghter)—they would be eateries into angagemeete sad
contracting reeponsibilitiss with the other great powers to
which parliament would not, he believed, give its coment.
If this country should ever be chary of conferences or con-
pesos, surely it should be so when a war had beet made
ef which it entirely disapproved—whoa that war was
imminaled suddenly by a pease which ws mold not approve.
Bwulfr ft would os most seeks if after all this we should
samiew mother six ourselves up with the reopomsbility of
the sattlionent. (Hear.) He trusted, therefore, that the feel-
lag of that hoesswould be so decided end distinct on the sub-
ject that her Majesty's adeshdetration would not think it expe-
dient to Melee her Nuke, Wand ampramenethe as Mom-
green He bed en doubt that then awe assay difacnkke which
might yet arias in owns:moos of this war, many
which might arise to consequence of the pesos, md many,
nereaver, which bad reference to tbe ewe of Italy and of
Enema, bet which had nothing to do either with Use war
OT the pros. If them difficulties did arise, sad we were
famed to interfere, we should interfere with snob more
effect if we stood aloof from any cosmos, than tf we now in-
tervened In the latest act of the affair to save the parties
hem the diffireties of tbe position in ;kick they now were.
He would make but one more remark, eat that wee with
11111111101) to the statement which the noble lord made with
espedel entplmak. The noble lord pointedly called the atten-
tion Mem bones to a telegram announcing that the Emperor
of the French wee about to reduce his armament. That

no doubt weaTaiellnine;sio f e 11; it
value would depend upon the meaner in which ft was
carried out. (Cheers.) Seem few nights since he had vet-
tared to remark that the large armaments maintained on the
madmen% should be reduced. In so doing he did not mean
to claim any originality of idea; hat bs Wag not aware, la
making the remark, that he was trenching on the politecel
manor of the hoe. member kle Birmingham, who was seer-
wants, however, kind enough to inform him that
the proposition to reduce armament, after • war
wee as original principle of oolitic* Invented by
himself. (Loud fattener.) He believed, however, that
no
peace was ever yet concluded without the members of
that houseforeing upon the government the necessity of dis-
armament. There was noshing very novel or very unwise in
suggesting that at the concliution of • war between two great
military powers of Europe the government should take the
opportunity of urging a redaction of military armaments
seemed to him a policy to the interest of the Emperor of
France; and one which Inked every wish to believe he would
wary eat in all einterity. But the Emperor ought to un-
derstand that if the English parliament should enforce a
policy of disarmament with di afticerlry, it would expect him
to act in a similar manner. (Heir, hear.) He outfit te
understand that we Anvil rxp.et the disarmament which
he proposed to make should be as &beeline sod substantial
one—(hear, hear)—and that we ehuld expert to know
what It we.. and what was its extent. (Cheers.) He must
not treat this country merely ea children, with vague pro-
mieee and unmeaning phrases. He (Mr. Dieraeli) for hie own
partbellued that the Emperor of the French weatoueusible
amen to attempt such. course, end he believed that that great
power would act eith all sincerity. Still, upon a question of
each Importance, there should be no mistake S. team opinion
of the 110910. of Commons; it should go f trth that they
viewed the reduction of armaments by the Emperor of the
French as • proper policy, and one which thie country sew
with malefaction. But then It must be a real, absolute, and
undoubted redaction—(chosra); and it must not be a matter
of fair promisee only. If this were done, it would put an end
to grave miscoeeepttone of the views and the madam of that
power, which he (Mr. Disraeli) was happy to believe without
foundation—a result which would, het believed, effect some
good for humanity"; and thus thin war would at lean have
this good result, that it would bring men to their senses,
and would tend to restore and re-establishegood understand-
leg between Eaelluid and France. (Cheers.)
Mr. BOWYER hoped that England would take no part
in the onalenhees, became Its believed that the Present
minbtry, titter a long course tf intenneddliar in revolution-
ary movements in all parte of Europe, had f *felted the con-
fidence of every European nets. Ellittrillt at large into the
Italian question, be denounced the Sardinian inurement fur
its htsrferenct with neighbouring and fneadly powers, end
eulogised the adminietratlon of the Papal Mates as being
just, humane, end progressive.
Lord PALMERSTON—I refrained from answering at

once the questions put by the right hon. gentleman opposite,
because I was unwilling to interpose between the house and
the gentleman who has jest spoken, knowing as Ido the
strong interest he takes in at leant one part of Italy, and in
one of the governments which unfortunately rule in that
seaustry. (Leughter.) In my opinion the statement of in
noble friend was perfectly clear as to the views of the govern-
ment; but the right hon. gentleman opposite wants
still to know whether the powers which were
avatar lathe war, including, of course, the British govern-
ment, scab any proposal to Austria of terms lees favourably
than those which were subeetmently voluntarily oonceded by
France at Viliafranca. My noble friend stated that no
proposal had been made by the British government, in ea
far as be was aware of, or by any of the neutral powers,
bet the right hon. gentleman seemed to haul pretty accu-
rate information from some quarter as to what really passed,
end that which did pats was as he imagism it, with one
exception. At one period of the war the French ambeasador
gave my noble friend a small paper, upon which certain
teems of arrangement were written out very generally, making
my noble friend that the British government should transmit
them to that of Austria, recommending them as a basis
epos which a treaty of peace might be concluded.
My noble friend thought that, on the one hand,
it would be unbecoming in this government, maxim's as it
meat have been for the cessation of war, ebeointely to decline
being the channel of communication ; knots the other
hand, he, and we, felt that the position in which the two
contending parties stood it that moment did not justify us in
actually interposing. We therefore took the course which I
think was the proper one. We said, "We will, es you
wish, communicate to the Austrian minieter the contents
of this paper, rent mining ea It does your notion, not ours, of
an arrangement, but we will not accompany it by any advice
or opinion of our own. We shall distinctly nay that it
comes from you, not from us. and lel think it our duty
merely not to supprew it." That was all that passed. My
noble friend gave the memorandum to the Austrian minister,
telling him that the proposal was not ours, but that of the
French government, and that Austria would deal with it as
she pleased. We did not refute to be the channel of com-
munication,
adconvitrinednorindithd easmeelcaP,Oreeluabmy.
sal came from us, tv was accompanied by our reootonaerida-
omßpuuintthitoneahetsirrghWtbtuht:oenwePr°. gel'lni.uviillenan seemed to soy that this prop°.
fiat, and I have only to repent that on this
point he was completely misinformed. He also said,
mverting t a a twit, which is often alluded to on that side of
the hone., that we were lik.dy ta fall into • mistake similar
to that of the government at 1848 respecting the allele.' of
Italy. Now that transaction has been repeatedly mierepte-
seated, even after the papers had been published completely
ezpicicinc it. The truth wax that at that time the govern-
ment of England had no control over the powers that were
waging war in Italy. Baron Hurnmelauer came here with •
rztat the Ume when Austria had beet driven out of
~ and when a provisional government had been
established, so that for us to have *wowed snob • proposal
would have been • mere mockery on our part. The tame
proposal wee made at Milan by an Austrian agent, and was
treated with wen and derision. Baron Humreelauer than
offered another arrangement, in which he said he was not
sathorired by his government, but that, if we thought Sar-
dinia would accept it, he would go back and recommend it at
Vienna. We suggested then no arrangement would be cm-
*tad which related only to Lombardy. At that tune Venice
was in revolt, defendieg Itself against Anion's, and I thought
it unlikely that any proposal would be accepted that did not
Wade that state. The state of things, however,
woe altered, and the fate of war turned in favour
of Austria. Hamra B.adelsky won greet victories.
end motored Lombardy, end threfore anon
revienaly made fell to the ground. Ins
ld that lb. decugon
lariat MU;
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blhnfr erttlitooZia. the rotted ottladprooap:,woottweasiderizethe sate
d have
rermentative of this country were to be there ws woul
bed remotelydetail
cooly to register what the other powers P
Mead bee already en-
that themselves. Now, eiv eon'.
I I distinct breeches of the
Sahel& that there are two omnP etv Ault.
okosassmosslgeodmia Is wt. writopwiethir
cmthaht.wiec.o7...idet not
sereageawat between Frtree to Vess •
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and the stirleooas relating
oar
Lombardy. the Latter having been ceded to
of Austria, but being WO
France to We the honour