The Express.
London, England, 1860-05-22 00:00:00

HOUSE§ AND WINE LICENSEE

After a short conversation this bill was recommitted ;
➢lr. DZABY in the chair.

Mr. HARDY inquired whether tobacco shops came under
the designation of places of public refreshment, resort, and

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not
able to say, but was of opinion that they ought to be so in-
cluded.

Ilie;chtuse was agreed to.
On clause 17,
Mr. HENLEY pointed out the difficulty there would be
iv getting at the identity of the man who might take out
• license for one of those houses, who might pass by the
mane of John Man.in.the-moon, and would be represented
is the shop by his " mother," or perhaps one or two nice
young ladies who waited on the customers, but he himself
was never to be seen. He therefore quite believed it would
be • great blessing if the disuse was left altogether out of
the bin.

Mr. AYRTON put it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
if, as the clause now stood, a man taking out a license for
one of those houses might not be a ticket•of -leave man. He
thought the whole character of the clause ought to be
altered-

Bir J. SHELLEY considered it would be better to oleos
those houses, with reference to licenses, on the same ft.Aing
as beer-houiss.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied that
the clause wee illusory, or that it wee ever intended to
be so.

LIDDILL and Sir W. JOLLIM condemned the clause
as altogether useless.
The clause as amended was then agreed to, as also were
clauses up to clause 19 inclusive.
On clause 210,
Mr. AYRTON said the effect of the clause would be to
perpetuate the vicious system of having a compound of
wine and spirits instead of the light wines in their natural
state. As an advocate of temperance he strongly objected
to the principle contained in the clause.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said wino
was frequently of the strength of 30 per cent. praof spirit.
The maximum strength was formerly 33 per cent., but
under the recent customs regulations the limit of wine had
been raised to 40 per cent., and it would not be proper to
have one regulation in the Excise and another in the
Customs. He should be glad when the maximum could
be reduced, but he was afraid that would not be for some
time to come.

The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
On clause 21,
Mr. PACKE said he thought that no man who was well
known to be of bad character ought to be permitted to have
• license under this clause. He would therefore propose to
introduce the worls, "or be of notoriously bad character,"
after the words relating to persons convicted of felony, k.c.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought this
question had been disposed of on • former evening. If the
amendment were agreed to there would be no locus peni-
tentiie to any man who might have been a bad character,
but who had become reformed.

Thern;(lQni;;;nes;ijied.
On clause 26,
Sir M. PETO hoped that as to the sale of wines during
certain hours on Sundays, the same restraint would be
placed upon persons taking out licensee under this bill, as
now existed in reference to public.hotues.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
could not apes to the suggestion of the bon. gentleman, is
he thought the present law under the act of Charles 11.
would be quite sufficient to meet the objection of the hos.
gentleman.
The clause was then agreed to ; as were clauses 27, 28, se,
30, and 31.
A brief discussion took place as to whether eatinghouse
keepers should not be prohibited from sending out for spirits
to be consumed by their customers, but the Chancellor of
the Exchequer objected to make so great a change in the
existing law, without notice to the parties who would be
affected by it.
Some verbal amendments were made, and the clause was
ordered to stand part of the bill.
The remaining clauses up to 39 were also agreed to with
some verbal alterations.

On the motion for adopting the preamble,
Mr. LOCKE observed that he had given notice of a clause
which he was anxious to ascertain whether the government
objected to insert. His clause was—" That from and
after the passing of this act, section 7 of the statute of the
sth and 6th years of William IV., chap. 39, shall be and the
same is hereby repealed."
Lord PALMERSTON rose to order. The hon. and
learned gentleman was clearly out of order in opening a dis-
cussion on a clause which could not be voted upon at
the present time. The proper time for bringing on the
question was when the report was brought up.
Mr. LOCKE was anxious to state the reasons why he
brought forward the clause, and to ascertain the views of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon it. His object was
to correct the abuse consequent upon a clause that had
crept into a former act of par •►ment, by virtue of which
the Excise granted licensee to theatres, without any other
intervention, and lie wished to know what view the govern-
ment took upon the point, and whether the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would object to his bringing up the clause on
the report.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
question was one of police and not of revenue. It was
one for the consideration of the HomeolSce, and if the
judgment of the Home-office was in favour of the view of
the bon. and learned gentleman, he should not object.
Such a clause as he proposed was not gennain to the present
The CHAIRMAN reported that the clauses were agreed
to, and the report was ordered to be brought up tomorrow
(this day).
THE BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on the Bank-
ruptcy and Insolvency Bill,
Mr. VANCE objected to the extension given by the bill
to the jurisdiction of the county courts, as, in his opinion,

I ft would bars ireporloat claims before judges not
thsootistorood towea maslire wok s
tomiltheers. The denial of
e ht of lmu eyyest bjectioes.
Mr.rig BRThMIIII thought se m
eet of ingra o justioe would be
committed on the of the Court of Bankruptcy
luileor they were &dog ecarpoossted.
After • few words hoot . lama mil Ooloarl Brim
the house weat iota °enmities ea the bill.

16:TTAI.P ilinoyedtgioZiaTiOli7ii certain word. in
clause 2 relating to the future duties of the Commissioners
of Bankruptcy as district commissioners.
The ATPORNEY.ORNBRAL would agree to restrict
their employment to the London districts.
Sir F. X IeLLY thought the commissioners ought not to
here duties imposed on them which they had never con.
tracted to &c lump.
After a few words from Mr. YELLOR,
Mr. WALPOLE withdrew his amendment.

Mr. BOWYER, i; clan; 7,—enteral protest
against an
_y new courts of justice with only one judge.
The AWORNEY-G L, on clause 13, in reply to
Kr. explained the reasons why the new judge wad
to have 5,0061. a year, and his deputy for three mouths
milts animated discussion took place also on this clause, as
to the system of oompensation and pensions for the retiring
°Seers of the courts. In a subsequent clause,
Hr. WALPOLE proposed that the Judge of Bankruptcy
should be chosen from one of the present commissioners.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL could give no pledge on
the point, es he wee not consulted on such appuintments.
A division arose on Mr. Bouverie's amendment of claim
22, as to Use expediency of reducing the salaries of tho
sueoessors of the present district judges from 1,800/. to
1,5001. • year.- The motion, however, was negatived, the
numbers leg—Noeis 00 Ayes 88.
Clause 22 was aced to after a division, in which tilt:
Ayes were 118, and Noes 38.
Clause DI, on the transfer of the bankruptcy jurisdiction
to the county courts, gave rise to much discussion ou an
amendment of Mr. Beaver's, that the jurisdiction proper,/
should not be extended to county courts, which was, how.
ever, ultimately n tived.
The CHAIB.If AN then reported progress, and the houre
resumed.

The Creaeolidated Fund (9,600,0000 Bill was read a third
time awl pawed.
To a resolution authorising certain alterations in the game
Beene, duties

Kr. HEIGHT objected that the resolution included
" coneys " as pme, and charged a lioe•nse duty for permis•
sloe to kill them. This was imposing a new tax.
Yr. LAING explained that it was not intended to extend
the pros laws to animals not now included, but he would
the resolution.
"s
resolution was accordingly postponed, and the bowie
resumed.