The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-28 00:00:00

when he mid there ought sot to be a double government,
bat that thsrmer=' tto be as much as possible • comm.
tzated That argument was against the
council ow, the hog and learned gentleman argued in
etg7 alingalar manner by stating that his right hoe.
fftiand wished to rid himself of his responsibility by going
to the council ; and in what way had he done so' Why,
by going to hie council sod stating his opinion fathom
fag their opinions, am! knowing that all were
producing them, and then his right hon. friend was accused
of having made the council • screen for himself, and of not
having taken the whole responsibility ou himself, as be
ought to have done as • minister of the crown. (Hear,
hear.) That was very ingenious, no doubt, but it was
contrary to the common muse of the question for if his
right hen. friend wanted to make the council
a screen, he would not have got their opinion',
sod then, (Wing them the reverse of his own,
have produced them. (Hear, hear.) But the question
will of the greatest importance, and surrounded
by the greatesi difficnities, and they had proved sufficient
for considerable delay to the government in their forming
an opinion upon the subject. The cabinet had for a lam
time considered the question, and in order to do so they
had obtained all the opinions they could upon it. (Hem)
There were two questions to be considered in reference to
what should be the future army in India. (Hear, hear.)
They had bi govern • great empire, and they had to peers
it by opinion, and that opinion bad to be supported by
force. Lord Metcalfe mid the governmeet did not rent spas
opinion but upon force, but if it rested epos opiaion than
that they must have sufficient force to sustain the govern.
meet. Theu with regard to • militate force, win*
they had to do was to seek to make it eased
in unity of command and efficient in discipline, that there
ought to be a homogeneous character in the forces by which
they sought to support the government. (Hear, hear.)
Now what was the character of the European local army ?
It wee brought into existence naturally from the manner
in which the government of India was acquired. That was
under a company of merchants, sod they naturally bed
their own army. But when parliament made the great
change from the government of the company to the govern-
ment of the royal authority they hail to consider the ques-
tion of the local army, and they found that all great
military authorities, including the Duke of %Wel•
lington, were of opinion that the European local
force in India was deficient in discipline, and
that it never attained to the discipline of the
Queen's army. (Hear, hear.) Now, the Duke of Welling.
ton was a great commander, and he (Lord J. Russell)
believed the opinions of most men were like his, viz., that
the Indian army was a great local force, and that it never
attained to the discipline of the Queen's army. (Hear,
hear.) In point of discipline, then, they could not be equal
to the Queen's army. (Hear, hear.) Then in point of unity
of cominsad it was quite clear that if they placed the army
under the direction of the Governor General and the COM.
moolcr•int! ltief. the army would generally form the same
expectations as arose from the unity of comm as& There
remained this difficult., until very recently, that they had
this local army iu existence, and that as it possessed • moat
honourable feeling, arising from glory in the field, the go-
vernment were unwilling to destroy it. But, partly from
accidents sal from other events that bad been buught
al.,ut, this local arm] now consisted of no more
than 13,000 men, and the question which then
arose wag, whether, having parted with the former
stroug army, they should make a new load army,
and upon the whole the government came to the
conelusion, which was against his (Lord J. Russell's) pro.
sews impressions, that the Queen a army should be the
only one in luaus. (Hear, hear.) No doubt some objections
existed, but he believed that many officers who would co
out to ludic as young men, seeing • career open to them in
India, would attach themselves to that country and would
desire to remain there rather than to return to this country.
That would be A natural consequence. The house should re-
collect that there had been great changes since Lord Clive
conquered India. For whereas formerly it took a year
to go out and come home from India now the communb
ration was very rapid, and there were great facilities for
travelling to and from the country. The habits of men who,
in Lord Clive's time, spent their lives in India, were altered
or destroyed by the natural course of events, and if hey
wished to restore them they could not do so. (Hear, bear.)
He therefore came to the conclusion that the great
object sought to le secured, both in the army and the navy
of this country, was attained by the present plan of the go.
veroment, and he hoped that the house would adopt it. The
question before the house was, whether the committee
should have power to regulate the discipline and other ar-
rangements of the Indian army. Would anybody vote for
such • resolution as that? If they were to have a Queen's
army in India, of course that resolution would be entirely
incompatible with such a determination. To provide by
resobitiou for the whole patronage and discipline of the
royal forces wan the most unpractical thing he had ever
men. (Hear, hair.) If the house was averse to the plan
of the government let them propose • measure for • local
force in labia, and carry it in the present session, and let
the army hoow what they meant and what were their
intention.. If the house was against the whole principle of
the measure, let them not express their opposition by an
ambiguous instruction to • committee, They had better
vote against going into committee at all.
Mr. M. MILNEIi said that no member of the house could
clearly understand the bill before the house. It was only
smiled for by the government, and wee objected to by the
Governor. I.leneral and the Council of India. Hail the govern-
ment laid the bill before the house in time, it might have
been so modified as to meet the wishes of the country.
There was no necessity for carrying the bill ; the
only desire for it was on the part of the govern-
ment. There was so practical danger in allowing
the question to "tide over' till next session. The only
reason assigned for it was the alleged mutiny of the Euro-
man army in India. That was a mere accidental, tempo-
rary, momentary matter, and he hoped that the government
would reconsider it.

Colonel DICKSON had not the slightest hesitation in
giving his support to the measure of the government. He
ridiculed the ides of the army in India becoming
acclimatised awl accustomed to the prejudices of the natives.
He thought nothing could add more to the inefficiency of
the army than taking its management out of the hands of
those who were competent to the work, and he did hope
clauses would not be introduced in the bill which if carried
into effect would do away with that efficiency. He hoped,
therefore, the government would carry this bill, as he far
believed they honestly intended to du and he should give
it his most cordial support. (Hear, hear.)
The question was then pat, and the proposed instruction
to the committee was peptised.
Mr. M. 31( LS ES moved the instruction of which he had
given aotice •" That it be no instruction to the committee
that all appointments to military commands in India (tilts
commandain-chtef alone excepted), and all sear appoint,
vomits, whether military, seml, or medical, be vested in
the I;,,,,,riwar-Getieral it, Conseil and other constituted an-
thoritiei in India." He thought the question of a local
army an India was not to be taken adversely
on account of ilia vett extent of that country.
On the contrery, be thought that was a cogent
reason for having a kcal army in India, not only on
account morely of Ds vast enlist, but also by reason of its
grert dison, from this country. If we were to govern
India, we could not do it solely bye garrison of men upon
whom the whole native population would look as hostile. It
was by so mean, stint that the local army was entirely de-
stroyed, and if they thought it advisable they would incrome
the sukeiliary r,.ree of their 'cements in India without
bringing in this bill at all. They had the authority of every
great military man of the Indian army telling them that
this measure was of a meet 41A1301.011.1 character, and that if
they once .Iciamyeil the army, they never could =t
together agaio. Hs trusted the government would,
fore, elusion this assure altogether.
On the motion of Mr. DANDY SEr morn,
The debate was again adjourned to Monday it.
SUPERANNUATION ACT Itirel AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill pawed throe* committee.
ADMIRALTY JCRISDP:TION (INDIA) BILL
This bill also paned through cowinialse.
ENDOWED CHARITIES BILL.
The hill was read a sewed tints and aimed to Is
committed on 'Monday.
CLEARANCE LNWARDR AND LIEN FOR FILRIGHT
HILL.
This hill wee reads third time and passed.
CENSUS OTLAND, RILL.
This lull wee read a third tiros sad_
_weed.
coma-yr PRACTICES PREVENTION Acr (181:4)

lILNTINUANUE BILL

This bill was also nad•tiirid linos sd awed.
GUNPOWDER, /Lc, HI I.
This ball W3a reed a turd time sad_ poised.
FORTIFICATION&

Mr. It OSBORNE asked this mottle lord at the head of
the government on what day be proposed to bring on the
linevtion rd fortifientioos.

Lord PALMER...TON said it would depend upon the
European Fortes (Initial Rill, the adjourned debate on which
would lie roomed on Monday, but he would bring oo the
question as earls. a. lonmeible after that hill was dispaseel of.
Mr. E..I.SMErt complained of the regain:ewe the re-
ply, ant trusted that upon .0 important a subject the rouble
toed world glee some inure definite information to the
house. t llcar. )
IN 04 .1( RELIEF, lee. (IRELAND) BILL.
Clem tl.e nu tieu that this hill, as amended, should be
considered,
Mr. NEW DEA kTF. moved, in the risme which enabled
guardians t.. noon4On orphans And deserted children out of
the workhouse op to the wv.e of twelve, to unlit the word
"twelve" awl tou rt "stv " instww,
After some discuwion the lessee .livided and the flour
ben were—
In favourer the ehin„,,
For the amendment
The amendment was ronsoloontly lost.
Inv remaining amendments w.-re roosslored and :weed to.
INFANTS' SIARRIAOE At'T AMENDMENT BILL
This bill was read a seeorel time.
RIFLE VOLUNTEER CORM RILL.
The ame:id merits to this bill were conakh,,,l andto.
The other orders were disputed of, nod the buuse
journey' at 2 o'clock

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10-61

Nt MTH EIVITAN RAILWAY.—We have received
an intimation from the secretary of this oompaay that the
th.• half year will lie u follows:- Berwick at
of the rut.. 7.4 per cent. per annum, York at the rate of 4
per omt. per annum, and Leeds at the rated n per end.
per :.111:1 4111.