The Express.
London, England, 1860-05-26 00:00:00

gessies, bet far loyesel it. The fault Mal many of us find
Mith the declaim of the House of Lords I. that it trenches
epos mu privileges, but my bon. Mead's amendment
trescbas upon the prerogative of the crown. (Hear.) I
win not argue the qualms whether the wane he proposes
baeat.or wrong. It may be right that her Majesty
not prorogue parliament, but that • long
adjournment shootd take place, bat it would neither beam.
stitutional nor respectful for the house to declare by regoln.
thse that her Majesty's prerogative of prorogation should
not be eameised. (Hear. hear.) Without an adjourneneet
for a week, without altering the terms of the motion which
eomprtheedsd everythiu,r, I think this house might fairly
mad properly sow proceed to agree to my noble friend's
motion, and when the report of the committee is presented
boa. gentlemen of all parties, duly oonsideriag the privi-
ieve of this house, may come to • conclusion more menu.
mat to three which have been arrivol at in former time.,
sad mom bearing the symptoms and fruit. of deliberation
than any conclusion we can arrive at at the present
moment. (('heers.)
After some observations from Mr. Clay, Mr. H. J.
Nellie. and Mr. Whalley,
Mr. BRIGHT withdrew his motion for the adjournment,
and suggested that Mr. Buncombe should also withdraw
his amendment.

Mr. DU :COOMBE sesented, and the motion for the
committee of inquiry wee agreed to.
la mowing that the committee do consist of nineteen

LoisiIALYERSTON maid be bad no objection to in.
mew the number ; but in point of form that could not be
done without notice, and it must be done on Thursday
nest.

WYLD moved that the committee consist of testily-
three members.

This *as ohjerted to in point of form, and
Mr. SHERIDAN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Lord PALMERSTON said be would that evening give
notice of adding two names to the committee.
Sir J. PA KINGTON was sorry that this course was pro-
Need, but if two names were added, in fairness his side of
the house should be more fully represented.
The motion for adjournment was then negatived.
Mr. Writ) having withdraws his amendment,
The motion that the committee do consist of twentpone
members was agreed to.
The fol owing names were then put seriatim and
:—Lord Palmerston, Mr. Disraeli, the Chancellor aril!
Exchequer, Mr. Walpole, Lord J. Russell, Mr. Sotheron
Encourt, Sir George Grey, Sir J. Pakington, Sir J. Gra-
Mr. Henley, Mr. E. P. Bouverie, Colonel W. Patten,
Mr. , Mr. Bentinek. Mr. Bright, the Attorney-Gene-
ral, Mira Cairns, Mr. More °Terrell, and Sir W. Heath-
en*.

THE WHITSUNTIDE HOLIDAYS.
Lent PALMERSros having moved that the house at it.
rig do adjourn till Thursday next,
Mr. T. DUNOOMBE roes to ask the Secretary of State
for the Home Department, if in consequence of the bribery
and corruption reported to prevail at elections for the city
of Gloucester sad the borough of Wakefield, her Majesty's
government had anything to propose upon the subject?—if
not, by what right, and for what purpose he delayed the
issue of new writs to those places
A debate followed, in which many appeals were made
hem legal remixes urging that the goverment should not
blame* proeecutioos against witnesses who made
discleenree, and who ought to be indemnified.
Mr. WALPOLE said, looting at the evidence, and at the
sit ef parliament, he was convinced that the prosecution
would be followed by two consequence.; first, that a peat
ad of injustice would be perpetrated against individuals ;
and, secondly, that the object of the at of parliament under
which it was instituted would be defeats& He assigned his
reseceis for this conclusion.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that, however he
gtit respect the humanity and forbearance contained in
4 they did not relieve him from the obligations
al his El7l 1:
a public functionary. He would most gladly
ampoesco in any direct resolution which should so relieve
him. But the house had already taken steps which it was
bound to panne, if it wished to avoid the imputation of
having acted with solemn mockery and the charge of orga-
ailed hypocrisy. He had no choice except to prosecute
those who, according to the decision of the commissional',
wane the greatest culprits.
Mr. BRIGHT stated that Mr. Leatham, who had been
alluded to, declared that he had given such a full disclosure
in his evidence before the comnumioners as to entitle him
to hi. certificate ; which, however, had been bold without
any reason assigned, and a prosecution had in consequence
been directed against him, which was a grievous hardship.
After some further debt
Bins G. C. LEWIS coint;alised of the embarraasnient
caused to the government by these discussions, and
demanded that some definite modes should be brought
forward cm the subject. He made a similar complaint as
to the varimis opinions with regard to the suspension of
the writ. If the writ was to be suspended beyond this
present parlament, it could only be dose b 7 a direct bill,
which the goveremeat, with the Reform Bill in prospect,
did sot propose to do.

THE CENSUS.
Mr. DILLWYN asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department, whether it was the intention of govern•
meat to press the Census Bill in its present form as regards
the mode of areertaining the religious profession of the pro•
pulation, or whether they proposed to alter the said bill in
that respect ; and, if so, in what manner?
Sir G. C. LEWIS said, in general, be did
not think it was a convenient course to anti-
cipate debates upon bills which were in progress
through the house, and therefore be hoped
he should not be considered guilty of any disrespect to the
house if he abstained from gang into this subject. Ile
amid only say that the proposal had been deliberately made
to the house, and that his belief was that no practical
dillculty would ottend the pro/idiot as to those questions.
But be would undertake further to say just one thing at
the present necaelem that if the house should be of
opinion that it would be an infraction of religious liberty
—(cheers)—to impose a pferidilt upon the refusal to an•
ewer the questions with to the religionsdenceni-
satiate of individuals, and it should be wished to make a
distinction between these particulars and the other partt-
ime required by the census, be would not be unwilling to
make a distinction with regard to religious profession, and
to wait the penalty with regard to that part. (Hear, hoar.)

THE POPE'S IRISH BRIGADE.
The O'DONOGHOE end he rem with reluctance, to eall
the attention of that house, of the country, sad of Europa,
toile mine which within the last few days the Irish go-
vernment had thought fit to take. At any time that course
would hare bees extraordinary, but sow, contrasted
with what the govenuneot had done is Ingkad.
it was also unjustifiable. A proclaniatioto had bean issued,
Biped by the Chief Commissioner of Police, purporting to
be a nudist against foreign enlistment. It seemed to have
been put forward to prevent • few Irishmen from taking
service in the army of the Pope. Let the house now re-
member that England was not at war with the Pope, nor
waa she likely to be at war with hint. He was not at war
with any one with whom England was is aliases. Why
then should the government arbitrarily interpose to prevent
those Irishmen who sympathised with hurt from taking
earths la his stay? Let the hones °beery° that, at the
Noe when thegowasaisat were issuing the proclamation in
tie goverismatt In England were countenaming,
sad he seissily encouraging the collection of sub-
soriptioss is of Garibaldi and others. These acts had
Man prsosaseed by lawyers on both sides of the house to
he
edViand they were known to be contrary to the laws

Mr. CARDWELL mid he we. very eery that the hoe.
member should supper that the median of the Mak ge-
yser/rat had been est 'mord bi ar 7. Whotior araneideary
or net, it had bra simply that of obedient* to the law.
The boa. member supposed that they had hired • trek.
marina, and he said that perhimatter wee tyvammical aod
oppressive. Now,
Owe ill the first piny the, had isseed no
Metlotion at •11, and in the next their oceduct bad
n‘rthing but tyrannical and oppreadvs. There wee a
ioyervposal
law of this United Kinmlom which - rendened is for
any subject of her Majesty, without her • permis-
sion, to take service wader a foreign sad it was
the duty of the government both is England in Imbued
to any that statute into effect. They did mot desire to ass
=iiirsh brought into the 'miss of the law
ignorance of its provinces, oar did
they desire a state of thinp to retinue trier
whelk parr who when they knew what the law
amiu. Ti it, Arid kinak it
no: having information What they did was this,
117eyeemail a notice containing the terms of the statute
is altar sad eviesietakAle language to be printed and circu-
lated. He entrettteil that it was their plain duty, so lon
=iament her that statute on the statute book, to
it. sad that it was not only not tyrannical and
opperive het consieteut with propriety to inform the
people of behind what the law was.
- Mr. XONHRLL believed that the conduct of foreign
affairs by her Majesty's government bad led to the
aneexatios of Savoy to Prance, and he feared it would lead
to dreams moults with regard to the Christians in Turkey,
and he hoped it would not end in similar complkoitionr with
regard to Belgium and the Rhenish provinces. It was the
duty of the goverment so to administer theism that neither
the eatholece should feel that they had obtained a triumph
ewer the protesters, nor the protesters that they had ()b-
-leated a triumph over the catholics.
Mr. BOWYER mid he rose to all the attention of her
Ifejeely's preeramet and the house to a moot extraoell•
way iisepeesh from her Madroty's representative at Naples
Mai had be.. hid before the house. He referred to the
11101Tarialne• respect* the reception of political refugees
eitheerd bee Majesty's ship of war, and the purge to
witish Ise wished to all attention was to be found in a
=Mclam Mr.' =lot to Lord Jake Seamen drat the
Kie* MA mid which sanded are like se ex -
true frees a speech is a ileethits deb them tram • dispatch
fins a soishiter of slate. Mr. Mllisi amid, "le the re-
sent exalted star of Italy en memoresomest Net political
=l.would led se aellem em bred bar Majesty's ship
lily headland*, preinie as eisliese but on
the ether bawl it mace
lie tvesibisled that when this
=aawl Ms einem see pessiestizis isidivWlmals in
ble of law and jerline—fitser lisaresmay
he fairly osemidered se eteerehee le the sees se
those who esempe trim the Loeb law els ref " Mem i
Now. he was met las to airy see weed el the resets
fe elserwileofthe Ifeeipelllea preruiesset. mad ha amid
*Wain tress dalis es bums be was Me British
Meow of Common; sod sae a en . We
bad me Issas vie the tetanal ig the
cowry. or ..I any len* Murry, baE he did ray that if
a merger who was meendited to nay goverreer spree in

THE E.XP:

• public despatch in terms of gram Insult towards the Don-
reign of thet amain, that that mai an ming, yet the
singe and the law of nations, and against the decencies of civilised life. He wanted to know whetherror
such • dispatch as this would have been written by a
minister accredited to the court of France? These insults
were only offered to the minor states of Europe.
Viscount PALMERSTON —I am afraid I cannot sandy the
wish of the hon. and learned gentleman, by informing him
that her Majesty's government have expressed their disap-
proval of the despatch which he has made the subject of his
censure. (Hen, hear.) The chief characteristic of that
dispatch is that it states the truth. (Loud cheers.) It is
the duty of our diplomatic agents in foreign countries to tell
the truth, whether it is erectable to the governments to which
they are accredited, or whether it is not, with respect to
the matters on which they are called tannio make any state-
ment whatever. (Hear, hear.) This was not a volunteer
commun.:shoe from Mr. Elliot ; but it arose from a discus-
Ina which had takes place on the sumond conduct of a
British of in giving shelter to • Sicilian who was lying
from persecution on the shore. Now the standing orders
which are given to naval officers with regard to this matter
will be found recorded on the other page of the paper from
which the hon. and learned gentleman has read the extract.
Thee are in the shape of a communication which was made
to the Admiralty under my direction when I wee at the
heed of the Foreign-Aloe, in 1845, and which comprise the '
orders under which our naval officer are now acting in
places where such questions are likely to arise. They
amount simply to this : in any case in which
• person is fleeing from justice, or from a cri-
minal accusation, or is escaping from the condemnation
of a tribunal, he is not to be received ; but if an individual
is teeing from persecution on account of his political
opinions or conduct, and has reached a British ship, he is
not to be refused admittance. (Hear, hear.) The principle
noel which that rale is based is the tact that a British ship
is to be regarded as British territory—(cheers)—and it is •
principle which has been acted upon in reference to other
countries besides. &ay. For instance, during the civil
war in Spain, Gibraltar war alternately • place of refuge to
all parties. Carina at one time, and Progresivtas at ano-
ther, as their enemies were for the moment triumphant,
found refuge within our territory ; and on the same prin-
ciple it would be an act of • most barberna
character to drive bete into the bands of their foes
men who have committed no distinct offence, who have
been tried by no tribunal, who are charged with no civil
or criminal offence, but who are simply persecuted on
account of their political opinions, and are seeking tempo-
ivy refuge on bean • British ship et war. (Cheers.) Mr.
Elliot states that the state of Sicily at the time he writes
was such that persons Seeing from the police were in
the condition of persons Seeing from the Lynch law of a
mob; and that is perfectly true. (Hear, hear.)
Kr. BOWYER—The words he used were, " the police
sad government of Sicily."
Viscount PALMERSTON—The government of Sicily is
the polio., and that is the gravamen of the charge. (Loud
cheers.) The hoc. gentleman says that Mr. Elliot has
shown disrespect for the laws and institution of Sicily.
On the contrary, he has shown respect for them ; because
the laws and institutions of Sicily have been utterly set
aside, and the whole government of the country Lion
in the hands of the police. (Cheers.) In the in of
Naples there is an excellent code of laws—the Napo-
leon, adapted to the local circrinstances of the many, and
suited to the habits of the people. There is a coestitution
and a parliament which were granted by the late king.
That constitution was sworn to by him in the most solemn
manner; and he adjured the vengeance of Heaven upon
himself and his suocessors if he attempted to set it mole.
(Cheers.) But it has bees set amide, and the police now do
everything. They arrest people without any charge being
man spinet them ; they keep them Reprice without trial;
and if in any instance • pen= ie brought to
trial and is acquitted, he is equally kept in pri-
ma because he is mespeetal. Issossoos Is so
protection, and the unmet barbarian are pinpointed by
the police of Sicily upon the unfortunate people of that
country. The hon. gentleman dose not know what.=
ing, for I am mare that if he did his own mains
would prompt him to disavow the barbarities which are
practised there. (Hear, hear.) Ido not admit that any
person was received on board an English ship ; but
rng statement were true that some one had for
and had been repelled, there was no man In the
country that would not have modal:need the officer who
should have driven that unfortunate person back. (Loud
cheers.) These are matters jot feeling which it is
impoesible for any man not to entertain ; bat
we are net therefore departing from our position
of strict neutrality with regard to the contest that a going
on. No encouragement whatever has been given to the
subscription which has been got up in aid of Garibaldi ;
acid when the hon. and learned gastaionn says that the
spoon of my noble friend was am encoureposst to that
expedition, bemuse my noble hind referred toe certain
historical person, if he has reall no better ground than
that, lam surprised that he should have advanced such a
statement. I insider that there is no censure to be applied
to Mr. Elliot ; and as to the feelings of the Neapolitan
government being hurt by that gentleman's despatch, I can
only say that when they read it their redection ought to
have bees—

"Purist hue opprobria noble,
Et dici potuisse et eon potuisso refelli."
(Load cheers.) With regard to the other point which has
been raised, there is a clear distinction between the two
area In the one there is • positive statute, the
reeetln Enlistment Act ; but in the other case there is no
such plain infraction of the law ; and if we instituted pro-
ceedings for raising a subscription, the result would be
much more uncertain than • proceeding under the Foreign
Ealiatment Act. The government have, therefore, thought
it desirable that • warning should be given to the people of
Ireland, who appeared to be ignorant of the statute ; but
in the other sees it was stated the other night that the dis-
cussion which had taken place would be sufficient to warn
those who might otherwise be disposed to enter on a course
which would be illegal and contrary to international law.

Mr. HENNESSY men timed, as aspaciosen of the charges
brought against the Neapolitan government, that Lord
Clarendon and a right bon. gentleman for whom be had
the greatest respect, but who appeared to be labouring
wader a gross misconception, had both stated that Baron
Norio underwent in chains a surgical operation which had
boss rendered necemary by hie irons. Now the fact was
that Bane Poeno never wore chains at all—

----Mr. 13I:AiliffoilE-LOh:;Ii Why I saw them myself.
(loud elthem)
Mr.HENNE:MB.: Y—Did the right hon. gentleman mesa to
assert that the baron wore chains at the time of the
opa-
retios. or that the operation was rendered neemeary by
them chains? (Hear, bear.) That, however, wee the
charge mods at the time ; but they had the deposi-
tion of the surgeons, to the effect that the baron's
malady was hereditary, and had nothing to do with
his irons ; and that he was imprisoned in a
cheerful room—(laughter)—with plenty of light, and with
his books and papers. He (Mr. Hennessy) was quite ready
to believe that the noble viscount was nut in this matter
actuated by a mere anti-catholic feeling. He believed that
the noble viscount wished to advance the object, of the
liberal party in this country, and he might even say, in
Europe; but he (Mr. Hennesny) held that liberalism,
whether in Italy or anywhere elm, was not to be approved
of. (Loud laughter.) The noble viscount ones talked of
sMtlinli• fleet to Nara, bat Rusda intimated that the
priories of nomintervestien was not to be violated even in
the ore of • small poser, and the fleet did not go. (Hear.)
The Meoretary for ballad bed Mated that no proclamation
had bass herd by the Irish government on the subject of
ealhtment for the Papieb service, but he (Mr. Hennessy)
contended that the ofisonment which had been issued was a
prodmention to all intentioned purpose..
Mr. CA.RDWELL had skated what he now repeated,
that what had been Wood was sot a proclamation, but an
ordinary police notice, isdosnhog the people Was existence
of a certain act of parliament, In wow Mid that' VIM not
be led through igno of rance the law to coma an omen
Mr. P. O'BRIEN, an • Roman catholic who wished to
preserve the dominions of the Pope, and to preserve, if it
were possible, to him the Romagna, and who regretted
the issuing of the proclamation by the Irish govern-
ment which bad been referred to, could not concur with
herbals. colleague in defending the Sicilian government, which
he believed war an abominetion, and which he trusted one day
or another would be compelled to succumb, not to Oaribalob,
with whose projects he had no sympathy, but to popular
opinion aided and influenced by the Roman catholic ruing
and overturning Neapolitan tyranny. (Haar.) He could
not hear the statement made by his hoe. col-
league without standing up and vindicating those principles
of liberalism which that hon. member had so openly Teri-
I dined. (Hear.) He admitted that it was contrary to law to
interfere by subscriptions or otherwise in the affairs
I of other II&LIOD• which were on term. of amity with her
I Majesty's government, but no law could prevent our feel-
ing sympathy with theme who were oppressed. (Hear.)
tioloeel DITNNII had given adios of a question to the
Monetary for War as to when the report on the defences of
the country would be Lid on the table, but as the right
hon. gentleman was not present, be would content himself
with express* • hope that the report would be on the
table before they were called upon to vote the estimates.
The motion that the house at its riming adjourn to
Thursday neat was thee put and agreed to.