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thought it batter, under the circumstances, that the views
of the gevernment should be declared when that delusion
Man on, or that it was more desirable that they should be
first announced in the despatch in which It would be the
ditty of Lord Clarendon to answer Mr. Marey's letter,
either the one or the other might have been • sufficient
motive for his Once on that occasion. (Hear, hear.) I
' wish it to be undees oid, therefore, that I do not
complain of my noble friend's silence as the circumstances
of the ease then stood ; but the motion of my hen.
friend the member for Inverness having since been for the
moment withdrawn, and there being some uncertainty as to
the time when the ton. member for Mayo may call atten-
tion to the &jai, I naturally revert to the terms in
which my noble friend stoke on Monday night of the
despatch of Mr. Marcy, and I hope it will not be thought
unreasonable fa ma—without attempting to press upon the
government for the production of the despatch in 11111/11f to
Mr. Karey's letter one moment earlier than may be con-
sistent with the most mature onsideration and the most
ample pales In its preparation—looking to the advanced
peeled of the session and the state of the bagasse of the
session, which, I may Fey, happily has advanced more than
is anal at this season of the year—l venture to express a
hope that this despatch, which will convey to us in the
almost and molt authentic manner the views of her Ma-
jesty's government is referees. to the disminal of Mr.
Crampton, should be officially brought to the knowledge of
the house at as early a period as may be convenient. (Hear,
bear.) And I would further observe that it would conduce
materially to the conveoience of the house if the noble vii-
aunt would now afford to us the beet information la his
power as to the probable time of its production.
(Chun ) As to the feat of the produtioa, I make no ques-
tion at all, for it was clearly inferred is my noble friend's
ameba( Monday last that that document would be produced
when prepared ; and what I now venture to ask my noble
friend is, at what time he thinks the despatch of her Ma-
jesty'. government in reply to Mr. Many's letter announe-
le g the dismissal of Mr. Crareptoo, her Majesty's late
miaitter at Washington, will be laid before the hoses ?
Viscount PALMERSTON—Bir, my right hos. friend has
quite corn etly understood the motive that induced me not
to enter upon any explanation on Monday last in answer to
my noble friend of the views of her Majesty's government
upon the subject to which his question refers. Those mo-
tives sn equally strong upon me on the present occasion.
(Hear, bear.) I will therefore merely my in answer to my
right hon. Mead's question, that I have no doubt we *hall
be able to lay on the table the paper. relating to the subject,
including the answer of my noble friend Lord Clarendon to
Mr. Maley's despatch, some time in the course of next week
—probably on an early day of the week. (Chan)
Sir J. PAKINOTON—It appears to ma that my right
hose. friend the member for the University of Oxford has
done perfectly right In asking for the production of then
pipers ; and I am glad to heat from the noble lord that we
may hope is the mane of a few days to see the answer
her Majesty's government propose to return to the last
despatch of Mr. Marcy. (Hear, hear.) Perhaps It may
be fair to the government, until these despatches are upon
the table and Is the hands of honourable members, that we
should postpone any discussion on the conduct of the go-
nemesia in regard to this enlistment genetics). (Hear,
hear.) Bat I earnestly hope that the opportunity for such
discussion will not be long delayed. (Hear, hear.) I speak
in no party seam. (Hear, bear.) I assure the house
I speak with no party object when I my that
I regard with feelings of the greatest anxiety—l may
go even further, and say that I regard with !allege of
shame the preset state of our relations with the United
States of Americo. ("Oh, oh," and anon.) For that most
painful position of strain I attach blame—judging from
the publie dewumeate which are In the bands of
us all—to what I must consider the serious mi -
eonduct and unwise polity of ber Majesty's g -
mint, by which the government of the United Slane
Ins been irritated, deceived and offended. (Cries of " Ohs
oh," from both sides of the house, mingled with tome

cheering.) Under these circumstances, I hope the time
will not be long posipmed when we may enter late some
discussion of the sohj, et. I regret that toy boo. friend the
member for Inverness-shire Bsillie) has felt himself

under the mouthy of revolting his mottos ; but I vest,
either up= the motion of the umber for /ley°, or some
ot►er motiqu or resolutioe, the opportuoity will he afforded
when the indepeadent members of this boas' will feel at
liberty to call the attention of the country to the position of
satin in refereaes to the Americas wristlets.

Sir G. OBEY, who spot• with oonsiderable energy, and
was loudly cheered, think, sir, that my right hon.
Mead opposite, is agreeing to the worm taken by my right
' bow friend the member for Osford University, would bare
exercised a far wiser discretion, and acted in a manner more
in conformity with the muse he usually adopt. in this
house, and with more (airmen to thole to whoa he is
politically opposed, if, while admitting the necessity of
dismission, and admitting the grounds for the peep ,netnent
of that discussion which my noble friend has stated, he bad
abstained from antici piling that discussion by the verydeeided
opinion be has impressed as to the °induct of her kisjesty's
government. (Loud cheers f►om all sides.) And, sir, lam
glad to find, not only from this cheers on this side of the
house, but from unmistakeable indications I sae in those
. .

boa. members who sit behind my right hon. friend, •

in the views and sentiments I am

earnests'. (Hear, bear) And if there is to be a discus
aims on this 'eject—which I trust there will be, and It isnot
the fault of the government that it Ea. nut already taken
plane—l hops that until that diseumion comes on, the bones
will impend its jedgmoot so to the conduct of her Majesty's
government Is this matter. (Cheers.)
Mr. MOORE—I entirely recede to the Pc:genies the
right boa. gentleman has made, to patios. the disciteakie
upon the motion of which I have given notice until the
oomsion to which the noble lord has referred; but if the
subject is to cents ea for discussion at ell, I thick it would
be for the public convenience that some time should be
fined—(beer)—sad if the noble lord will be kind enough to
suggest some arrangement by which I may be able to A:
the motioa for some definite time I should be glad. (Hear.)
The motion that the house at its rising adjourn to Monday
was thea pat and agreed to.
TEE RETURN OF THE CRIMEAN ARMY.

Lord ELCiiio lagaired whether it was tree that her
Majesty branded to Imperil limb the Gouda sad the troops
of the lias at the ems at Aldershot' oa t►eir return frost
the Crimea i Theis was. 'sport to that effect, and ii t►ere
was any troth I. it he believed it would afford general astir.
bedew.

Lord PALMRESTON coald not answer the question at
Pm." CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL
_ _

Oa the order of the day for consideriog this bill es emended
i• ecinsarittee,
Mr. HEYWOOD atoned Omelet the followiea chase:—
" It shell sot be laufal either for the university cr soy of

thetsollegelT,or for 'be oomnitssinc ere, to i1ft704{1.114. any ;or
religious tee, or new religious quabfication relating to say
university or college eel's cr emolument, taro any statute
of each aeleersity. or of any of such colleges."
Mr. BOUVEKIE ejected, on the 'round that such a
provision would fetter the discretion of the colleges ; sad Mr.
Heywood coasented to withdraw it.
Mr. HEYWOOD ties moved to add the following
Frain and after the first day of Michaelmas
Term, sae thousand eight huodred and fifty eiz, it shall not
be accessary foe any person on ob,aining any ezh,bition,schc-
larahip, or othercollege emolument available for the assis-
tat* of aa undergreduate student in his academical educe-
ties, to make or ntbrcrire say declaration, or to take any
oath, soy law or sestets to the contrary noiwitlistandicg."
Mr. WIGRAM opened It, en the groaad which the
right hoe. geatiesan (Hr. Bouverie) had advanced against
the previous elaase.
Mr. GLADSTONE had beard no ream,
_polities' Sr
practical, in faa f the clamor. which lavolved a moat
emeatial deviation from the principle patlisaent had
adopted in the cam of the Word Bill.
After some (llamado' the house divided—
For the Masse l6l
Against it lO9-42
The clams was this agreed ta, sad added to the bill.
Mr. WAI TOLE moved, is clams 27, line 18, at the
comaseaorment, to insert the words " for ptomain the
intereetsof religion and 'sentiet, sad the main designs of
fossilan and dowses." Helm mine such kind of wards
were inserted there was us aside to the 001113111111:osen as to
Ow way is which they should ozonise the large
gives to them of redistributing the forename( the wrest:
sad spproptistiag gnat to the papaw of the infirmity at
lurk

After some conversation,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
bad no objection to the amendment it it were warded, " In
order to promote the interests of religion and learning,
and the main design of the founder, so far as is consistent
with than punnets."
Mr. WALPOLE said he would accede to that.
The amendment thus modified wee then agreed to.
Mr. WIOHAM then moved to insert .f.er " college "
the words " or of Jesus College " in clause 27.
Mr. BOUVBRIE said the clause peoro.ed under ree'ric-
Hoes to allow the colleges to teal with the right of coning-
tion to the bead of the college. The quer ion was whither
Jesus College should be encepted from the operation of the
clause. At present the bead of Inn, College weer omit
nand by the Bishop of Ely, and although he was Found to
say that the nominations by the present biehrp had been
proper nominations, yet he had it on go. d authority that
there bad been nominations which were di temente' to the
interests of' the college.
' After a few words from Mr. SrerFonto in support of the
amendment, the house divided—
For the amendment 6l
Against it
Mr. WIGRAM then moved, in clause 44, to leave out the
word "say," sod after "degree" insert the words "of
bachelor." The effect of the amendment he explained would
be to prevent persons who were not members of the Church
of England from taking sty &gm e shove that of I ect elor
of arta. This wee the care at Oeford, and he thought
Cambridge ought to be put en the UMW looting. It this
amendment were sot agreed to, the uoiversity would lose
its character, which be thought it ought to maintain, of
being a Church of England institution.
Mr. HOUVBRIii said the clause was as it came from the
Home of Lords last year. It should be recollected that at
Cambridge to test wee required t n matriculation. What be
proposed in the bill wee, that peewee oa taking any degree
exempt a theological degree, should not be required to sign
the 36 canons of the Church of England. His hon. friend
proposed to limit this merely to bachelor+ of arts. His hart.
friend would allow gentlemen not belonging to the church
of England to take a bachelor's degree; but when they
e, me to nisaten of arts or doctors of hew or divinity, he
would require them to take the oath. To a certain went
this operated now as • monopoly, as none but donors of law
could practise it. Doctors'. cosmoses or the Admiralty Court,
and he did not see why a dissenter or a Romeo catholic)
should not practise is those e• tuts as well es a member of
the church of Ragland. He (Er. Bouverie) thought all the
degrees ought to be thn wn open, eseept those which by
their nature were theological deg .
Mr. ROUNDBLL PALMER observed that a question
had been asked as to what potable necessity there could be
for drawing a distinction between a bachelor of art• nod
the other Legit'''. Triers was this necessity ; the degree of
bachelor ef arts gave no right to tinniere in the government
of the university, whereas the other degrees did. He ob-
jected to the bill sail stnd, beeau • it introduced for the
fleet time a distinction between greening and non-go-
verning masters of arts, sad there would be a coot:Dual
conflict between the two claws if it were not emended.
. .

Mr. T. M. GIBSON hoped hi. right bon. friend would
keep Cambridge in the position it had always occupied,
namely, in advisee of Oxford. When Oxford would not
allow boys to enter without eubacribing to theological pro-
positions that had punted the greatest divines, Cambridge
had allowed them to enter without subtaribing such tests,
to pursue their studies, although she would not confer the
higher degrees upon them. H. himself was a bachelor of
arts bat not a muter of arta at Cambriege; now if he
should be disposed to rake up the latter degree what was
the particular theological proposition he would have to
subeeribe to? A• a member of the church of England,
he considered it offensive to be ctatinually requiring per-
sons who were pursuing secular profsseimes t subiceibts to
debateable theological prpositionv. lie hoped his right
hon. Weed would adhere to the bill in its present form.
Mr. WALPOLE mid the reason for requiring such tests
was simply because the university was intimately connected
with the church of England. The two 11111Terillitil alweys
had bees and still were intimately connected with is
church of England, and lot that reason those who riketed
the tests were excluded from claiming soy of the endow-
ment, that belonged to them. The hon. turcobr rf I. Man-
chester said Cambridge was always in &avarice of the sister
university, and she ought to be kept so, but his deliberate
opinion we, that a race likalkat between the two univerei- . -mg
tido-would otirriatAlllllMPar .wrapeleAl feee.avonlonek: • • -7

mitheentele the degrees, the beet coarse to pursue was to
make the rame rule apolic eh!. to the two universities.
Lord PALMERSTON entertained a great reepeet for
the university of Oxford, though perhaps he had act
studied her statues 10 closely as tit right boo. friend (Mr.
Glad/time). He admitted that Cambridge and Oxford were
sister universities, but what he objected to wee that they
should be deemed to he Siamese twine—(e laugh)—and that
whoever one went thither the other must follow. (Hear,
hear.) He therefore repudiated the ereunieut that a par-
ticular proposition ought to be put into the Cauthridge bill
because it bad tern pat into the Oxford hill The general
principle in these cases was always against restrictive 'zeta •
aloe, and it reeled with those who made such • proposition
to show some strong reasons why it should be
established. Now the reason stated by the right ton. gec-
emus who had jest sat down was that Cambridge and
Oxford Universities were closely connected with the church
of Eogland. Well, he admitted that part of their purpose
was to educate persors who took orders, but tee, were not
exclusively conflaed to that purpose. If their euly purpose
IMP to educate the clergymen of the established church, it
might then be readily admitted that no one should take any
degree or derive ivy advantages from the universities who
wee not qualified to perform all the (sections destined to
those who received education there. But although they
were in a great degree connected with the established
church, that was by no maims the sole and I.ly orj eat for
which they were established. They gave educeetiou to the
laity, and parliament ought therefore, for the purpose of
giving full effect to these educational institutions, to admit
the laity very largely into those seat, of learning, but not
necessarily to serve as en obstacle in the way of those who
might wish to partake of their ecclesiastical advantages.
It was argued, however, by the right hen. gentleman that
is conferring the higher degrees upon the laity you gave
up a share of the government of the universiars t s persons
who were not members of the church of Eaglend, but that
really was not so. He would not say what his opinions were
upon the question of dividing the government as as to give
a share of it to dimenten, but that srgateect did not apply
to the present proposal, because the bill did not admit
persons to take the higher degrees who did not belong to
the Cherish of Eughed. But thou it wss said whet
vales was it; why should any body wish to be masters of
sits who did not intend to be members of the goverment?
Why, there were hundreds of masters of arts whose
names were not on the books, bat who retained the degree
se en honourable distinction, and without any desire to share
is the goverament of the university ; would any one say it
was no gratification to a man who had loused honourably
through a course of education to obtains righ degree from
the university of which he bed been a member ? It might
be said the degree could be obtained at the London Uni-
venity, but such a man would not attach the sae impor-
tance to it es if it tame frcm the college where he had re-
(salved his education. (Hear, bear) He said, then,
there were no grounds for this restriction as re-
garded the honorary degree; bat there ware
degrees that conferred solid advantages en a portion is the
profession be might afterwards follow. ue was quite at •
lees to undorstand why it should be necessary for a doctor
of medicine, or a doctor of laws, eit a doctor of ruse c, to be
• member of the church of England; nod he, thetetoth,
!Input the house would adhere to the bill as it had been
sent down to them from the Lords. (Hear, hear )
The house them divided, when there appeared:
For the amendment 4l
Against it
Mr. HEYWOOD moved, in clause 44, yoga 15, line 29, to
leave out the words te *otitis him to be or to bec thae
a member of the Senate or." Unless this emend-
meat were aiopted man members of the univer-
sity would virtually stand in the game poeition as
one of the members for the City of London did with regard
to the house. They would have seats provided fir them be-
low the bar of **senate, and they would be entitled to
attend sod listen to the proceedings, but they would not be
allowed to take any part in them or to vote tor members to
represent the university is parliament. It might be ob-
jected to his amendment that it would allow d canters to
become members of the /overnice body ; well, so it might,
but be thought it would be an advantage to the university
that there should be a sprinkling of all denominations in
the government, who were rarely called upon to dismiss
theologiell continue coon than etoe in four years. (Hear.)
Mr. BOUVERIE said if he had his own way perhaps he
should not mash differ with his bon. friend on this amend-
ment, but at the sante time if he were to adopt it the useful
working of the bill might be endangered. It was of impor.
tease that pa:Hamlet should be in harmony with those
who would have to carry out the bill; that could hardly be
this case lithe ameadmeet were agreed to, for it would only
teed to sear the Weds of thole gentlemee, and thereby de.
ttr” the practical usefulness of the bill. (Ilear.)l.
Mr. I. BUTT wield see no miasma why a man who was
entitled to the higher degrees of the university should not
be admitted to be a member of convocation, no matt r whet
Ida religion might be. The chatch of England had too
Eton • hold upon the universitiesto make it at all likely or
probahle tbat she Gould be ousted by dissenter. (Hear)
The house &Tidal, when there appeared :
Ayes
Noes Bl-24
This result was received with load cheer..

WY. ÜBYWOOD ibso=;;;;Crtthe ;;c1 of clause 44,
din “qoalilkatioes," to Wert sod the duties of which
Ones ueooetaluYsl sad Hefted to the .nculettion of the
doetriael 'umlaute' et the waited 4111110 .f England and
Ireland." The object of this amendment was to make all

(Ile. Baur. tie) thought all the
I d m open, ept those which by
,
ER observed that a question
isdble necessity there could be .
tween a bachelor of arta and •
MI this neceesity ; the degree of i •
:to dated:re in the government
he other degrees did. He cb-
I .
beeau • It introduced for the
warn sr-vetoing and non-go- i
d there would be a coutoual
sea if it were not amended.
id hie right bon. friend would I 1 i
ition it had 'away' occupied, it
rd. When (Word would not
subscribing to theological pro-
be greatest divines, Cambridge
without subtoribing such tests,
ough oho would not confer the
H. himself was • bachelor of
to at Cambriege; now if be
p the latter degree what was !
imposition he would have to I
er of the church of E.-gland,
be c,ntinuelly requiring per- i
der profession to subicribit to
(»Wont. lie hoped his right
he bill in its present form.
reason for requiring such tests •
uglily was intimately connected
The two 11111Tarillita always
stimately connected with tee
te
that reason those who riketed
m claiming any of the endow- ,
. The hon. turcabc tf I. Man-
always in advance of the sister
be kept so, but his deliberate
hitst between the two universi-
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%Mat 'strutted teohaveelleacil4 -
a Way weateeedif 11111Wedestriff tit - ----- 0
• beet coats. to pursue Was to
...i.
le to the two univenities. i i 1
stettsined a great respect for
though perhaps he had act ,
ras tit right hon. friend (Mr.
at Cambridge and Word were
he objected to wet that they
rise twins—(a taugb)—and that
he other must follow. (Hear,
teed the trollies:it that a per- t
• put into the Cambridge bill
the Oztord hill The general
[ways against restrictive min • . N.
e who made such • proposition
,aeons why it should be
stated by the right ton. gen-
down was that Cambridge and
tele connected with the church I
tted that part of their purpose
took orders, but they were not
%Now. It their i-uly purpose
n of the established church, it
sal that no one should take any
we from the universities who i
all the (sections destined to
i there. But although they
inected with the established i .
s the sole and rly orject for
They gays educatioa to the
therefore, for the purpose of
leitioolll institutions, to admit
MO seat, of learning, but not
tech, in the way of those who r
ed. ecclesiastical 'demise,.
be right hen. gentian:4n that 1
gem upon the laity you gave
t of the universiii,t, t. persona
Le church of Eaglend, but that
sot say what his opinions were
( the government as as to give
t that argument did not apply
sues the bill did not admit
egress who did not belong to N
But then it was seid Irbil
oy body wish to be masters of -
a members of the goverment? i
Is of masters of arts whose 1
.
, bat who retained the degree
- I
sad without any desire to share
trinity ; would any one say it
1 who had ;nosed honourably
1;
1.
I to obtain a tlgh degree from
ad been • member ? It might
obtained at the London Uni-
Id not attach the san.e inapor- r
the college where he had re-
ser, bear) He said, then,
for this restriction as re.
levee ; bet there ware
advantages en a permit 4 the •
4 follow. ifs wee quite et a
fluid be necessary for • doctor
us, it • doctor of ruse c, to be
England; and be, thetefon,
• to the bill as it had been •
Lords. (Hear, hear) i
hen tiers appeared: I ,
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$
118 —77
in clause 44, pee 15, line 29, to
Is his to be or to hennas
I or." Unless this amend-
y members of the unit% r-
d in the game position as
icy of London did with regard •
.1.
:
eve seats provided fir them toa-
d they would be entitled to
,ediage, but they would not be
heat or to vote for members to
tiitiatelmostntd allltownldighs,ent beter:th;
;
rehire body ; well, so it might,
n advantage to the university
tiling of all denominations in
rarely called upon to discuss '
an seoe in four years. (Hear.)
is had hie own way perhaps be 1:
its hon. friend on thin amend-
I he were to adopt it the useful.
miaowed. It was of impel- •
Id be is harmony with those
the btl; that could hardly be • i
On
agreed to, for it would only 4.
•
we patient's', and thereby de. ' 1
of the bill. (Ilear.)l.
o remota why • man who was
e of the university should not
of convocation, no mart r whet
a church of Eastland heel too
rarities to make it at all likely*, 1 Is
noted by dissent, ran (Hear) I •
, I
there appeared : r
GO
81-24
rich load ace re.
eyed, at the end of clause 44,
sett et sad the duties of which
limited to the inculcation of the : .
i waited 01410 of England and -
his amendment was to make all •