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survey, but he could aware him he was altogether mistaken
in the cue which he had submitted to the house. With
respect to the question of holidays, he had only to say that
these men were originally day lipbouren, and had risen
by merit, and that, upon the whole, they were in a very
good position.
ENLIMEENT IN IRELAND FOR THE PAPAL
AMY.
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Mr. E. JAMES rose to call the attention of the house to
the enlistment now going on In haland to furnish the Pope
with troops in Italy, sod to ask the government what
measures they had adopted or intended to adopt, and what
official communication they had reoeived on the subject?
The hon. and learned gentleman said the question, which
was one of some importance, had excited considerable
interest and surprise m this oottntry. For the last six or
seven weeks he had seen articles in Irish journals of all
shades of politics, admitting that enlistment was going on in
defiance of the government proclamation and rejoicing that
it had succeeded to so large an extent. Those journals also
stated that enormous numbers of troops had already left
the shores of Ireland for the purpose of joining what some
people called "The Pope's Own." He could not help thick-
mg that in the present state of Europe her Majesty's go-
vemment would be extremely solicitous that it should be
known whether they had the power to prevent this flagrant
violation of the law, or whether it was to be assumed that
they tacitly sanctioned the proceedings which were going on.
As far back am May 28, various extracts from paper
showed that Waterford and ether ports in Ireland, sailed
emigration ports, had bean converted into ports for the em-
barbican of troops for the Papal_ army. In
speaking upon this subject he deed to do so
with temper and mods and not to hurt'
the religious feelings of say member; but it appeared that
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Imp mar* emigrants to Rely in circlet to evade the pro-
visions of the Foreign Enlistment Act. Other extracts of
a later period from Irish newspapers proved that they bed
subsequently abandmisd that idea of passing off the men m
emigrants, and sheltered themselves under the pretext that
they were going to join the municipal and not the regular
army of the Pope, to assist his Holiness in any collision
with his subjects- But the proclamation of her Majesty's
government was at length bunted, and no sooner was it issued
than they hurled defiance at that government, and from
other extant. from paper alter paper it was clear that
they nos boldly avowed that they had become recruits to
enlist in foreign service. That had been going on for several
weeks, and there was an instance in which a justice of the
peace was present at the embarkation of some pf these men.
The recruiting had now arrived at a pitchat width it became
impossible not to take notice of if., and, according to the
accounts which had been received, some of the recruits had
not only been presented to his Holiness, but had performed
the act of obeisance, of which he wished to speak without
ridicule, and his Holiness Lad thanked them for joining his
army. AU this was going on in flagrant violation of an
act of parliament. They actually had their depot
in London for recruits, and the authorities could not
but be aware of those proceedings which were taking
place in broad daylight. Her Majesty's government had
abundant proof of all these things, anyet from their con-
duct it would appear they were utterly impotent to meet
this violation of the law, which was se cliar as any law
could possibly be. In early times it was supposed that the
youth of England were anxious to form plaids in the ser-
vice of foreign monarchs. Louis XIV. bad his Scotch
Guards, just as the Bourbons had their Swiss Guards. The
first trace of an act directed against such an enlistment was
pealed about the time of the popish lot. Guy Fawkes was
executed in 1606, and in the year 1 this act was passed.
It waa an act of James 1., chap. 4, and made this remark-
able recital, which had been repeated in subsequent acte—
" Such as go voluntarily oat of this realm to serve a
foreign prince or potentate are for the most part perverted
by it:suits with whom they converse, and whoever goes out
of the country without taking the oath of allegiance shall
be deemed guilty of felony." The next act was that of the
9th George 11., c. 30, which prevented British subjects en-
listing in foreign armies without his Majesty's license, and
its words were, "if any one procure another to enlist
without his Majesty's license, he shall be guilty
of felony without benefit of clergy." These sta-
tutes, he admitted, wore highly penal, and had
become obsolete, and they were passed also in
times of great excitement which presented no parallel to
the present. But the act 59 Geo. 111., c. 65, called the
Foreign Enlistment Act, was introduced by Sir Serena
Shepherd, the then attorney-general, and supported by Mr.
Canning, its object being to prevent volunteers enlisting to
support the revolt of the States of America against the
mother country. That act passed after some discussion,
but power was reserved to enable it to be suspended by an
ceder in council In 1836 the act was suspended by an
order in council, to allow Englishmen to enlist in the army
of Queen Isabella of Spain against her uncle Don Carlos
That suspension of the act was agreed to after some oppo.
alien by Lord Mahon. By the provisions of the act those
who procured or solicited the enlistment of persons in the
service of any foreign prince were guilty of a misdemeanour,
and were punishable by fine and imprisonment. It was
therefore extremely important that the government should
inform the house one of two Shiny. This enlistment was
ir=great attention, not only in England but in Europe
y. The Attorney-General for Ireland could nut
sing up in his place and state that if a tithe of what had
bee. stated in the Irish newspapers was true—and they
had it on plenty of authority that a justice of the peace
hod on one occasion superintended the embarkation of the
; that depots were organised for the reception of troops,
and that those who conducted these illegal proceedings
might be said to have been caught in fingrante delicto in
broad daylight ; if that were so he could not say that there
was not abundant evidence upon which to proceed. It was
Important to know whether those persona who embarked in
this eremite, which had all the folly and none of the
sublimity of that under St. Bernard and Peter the Hermit,
had or had not the sanction of the government. The govern-
ment were induced to this position—they must my either
that they had not power to prevent such a
violation of the act, or that they allowed it
to pass by without taking any notice of it.
A great deal, he knew, had been said about subscriptions
being collected in this country for Garibaldi. That subject
had already been discussed in the house, and the Solicitor.
Genera expressed as opinion with regard to it which had
hen irnierou ;Mtn by oVner members, but whether sub-
scribing money fur that purpose was an offence or not at
common law, there could be no doubt that this enlist-
ment was in violation of an existing act of parliament. He
the rail ;ious feelings of everyman, and he trusted
he respected
brought forward this subject with a temper and
moderation of which the house would approve. (Hear.)
Mr. CARDWELL had no complaint to Bloke of the
tampons whit* *shoe. and learned palm* tad brought
the question before the house, and he thought he would
best respond to the spirit which he had shown by confining
himself to a simple statement of the facts. What really
happened was this :—About the 26th of May last the
government first heard that persons were enmed in
Ireland in enlisting for the army of the Pope under the
pretext of employing them upon a railway at Anomie,
and they immediately acted upon that knowledge. As
soon as they had reams to believe that persons
were disposed to break either the letter or the spirit
of the law, they authorised the police authorities to
issue a notice containing an =act statement of what the
law prohibited, and to have it circulated throughout the
length and breadth of Ireland. Why that procla-
mation should be ridiculed he could not imagine ;
it was a simple statement of the provisions of
the act, intended to warn persona that, if they
violated its provisions, they would be liable to punishment.
At the same time it was true that they had given no special
orders to the constabulary to enforce the law, not conceiv-
ing that there was any want of such direction. They had
had continual reports made of what was going on in every
part of Ireland, and those reports bad been submitted to
the legal advisers of the crown. No one was more familiar
with legal proceedings than the member for Marylaboce, and
therefore none could batter appreciate the difference
between statements made in the ne sod state-
lamb which would support and a case
is • moat of justice. In any case is which there
btainin
was
ram* believe further inquiry would hod to obtaining
isalimes of such a character as would justify a prosecution,
amts imparies had been made, especially when there was
swy soma to believe that the evidence would incul-
pate*. ler more guilty parties who constituted themselves
web kit the purpose of procuring recruits for a foredo
aseeko, Thom bed sot, however, been a single instance is
rythyeleSul advisors of the crown had eanadered it
penal, to liidkto a prosecution with any charm*
of obtaining a conviction, and he was mire that
hi konoumble and learned friend would ogres
wilt him that to institute a prosecution founded
open vague rumours embodied in
repeats, and with respect to which no evidence could
obtained that would substantiate a criminal charge, would
be conducive neither to good government nor to the honour
and dignity of the crown. Having said thus much in re-
spect to Ireland, he might add that the Secretary of State
for the Home Department was in precisely the setae
position with regard to England, not being in pommies of
any evidence that would justify prosecuting any permins.on
the charge of being agents for the purpose of obtaining
recruits for the pontifical government They had given
fair notice as to what the law prohibited, and as to the
penalties to which those who were guilty of its latrine-
meat rendered themselves liable. But having so oshillSO•
before then as which to base musecutioan oodsioly
had not takes the mums of bringing cases into mart es
mere rumour, sad the results of which would be tota=
the hands of the government by a series of r
Wares which wona only tend to bring the law into OW
tempt. (Hoer, hem)
of the i
Mr. 190IILLY 011enplaimed insults *tend to the
✓rowoemst a/ the Pops, sod the provoostioas gives 1.1
swam is ihst loose.
Kr. NIELSON observed that a ocorpimay to mkt
thank' sod his party with mosey was an offence
the kw; sod the greersseest, to be impartial, ehoald pro.

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seonte thole who subscribed ouch funds in Engl
Scotland.

THE WEEDON COMMISSION.
Colonel DUNNE called attention to the proceed of
the Weedon commission, and to the expense incurred by
it, together with the report of the auditors of the Treasury
oo that expenditure.
Mr. TURNER, one of the commion a
detailed history of their proceedings, and of
head treatment in return for their labours in an arduous
and irksome investigation.
After some remarks by Mr. MONSELL, on the subject
of the expetditure for cavalry horse.,
Mr. S. HERBERT observed that he was not in office
when the Weedon commission was appointed; but Mr.
Turner was wrong in thinking that the government did not
entertain a proper sense of the services the commissioners
had rendered to the public, which must not be estimated by
the money result
A few observations were made by Colonel Gmenr.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY called attention to the unsatis-
factory way in widish the army estimates were framed, in-
sisting that money was spent without the authority of the
house. The Weeden commissioners, he thought, had met
with scant jartica_
Mr. W condemned the practice of applying the
money of one vote to the purposes of another.
Bone remarks upon this subject were likewise made by
Sir P. Smith and Colonel Sykes, and the house then went
into committee of supply upon the army estimates.
Several votes were agreed to after dismission. In the
course of a conversation on the vote for warlike stores, the
comparative merits of the Armstrong and Whitworth guns
were discussed, and Mr. S. Herbert stated that if it was
propelled to supersede the Enfield by the Whitworth rifle,
the lame mint be prepared for an immediate expenditure

On a iote of 0,0001.
Mr. B. OSBORNE thought they were placed where
more accidents, such as ruptures and the like, were likely
to occur than elsewhere. 'Re hoped the right hon. gentle-
man would give some explanation of this vote.
Mr. S. HERBERT said that the government had sent an
odfioar to Paris and Berlin to inquire into thegymnasiums and
of gymnastics for the army at both thaw capitals.
7t,l*4lisullbund that the French had. paid particular attention
to gymnasiums for the sake of developing the strength and
dexterity of their men. The results of the system were
most extraordinary, showing it to be extremely useful in
giving wonderful muscular power to men who were cer-
tainly not naturally athletic. It had been determined to
sdoptthem here iu a modified way. Bat it was not intended,
as the hon. gentleman supposed, that the men should use
them at all tiny, and without say control, a course which
would very likely lead to accidents. The men would not
be allowed to enter them except at specified hours, and
then always under the superintendence of a properly qua-
lified officer, under circumstances in which risks of danger
would be almost entirely removed.
Colonel LINDSAY said that gymnastics had been intro-
duced into one of the battalious of the Guards under
Colonel Hooke with the happiest results. He was not able
to ry positively that no accident bad ever occurred ; but
I there had certainly not been more than one.
Mr. B. OSBORNEstif persisted that the expenditure was
unnecereary. It would be far better to encourage the men
to play at cricket and other manly games than to introduce
athletic exercises by way of drill. if anyone would support
him he would the committee against the vote.
Colonel P. HERBERT was glad to perceive that the Se-
cretary for War was disposed to stick to this item ; and he
could not help imprinting the surprise he felt at seeing •
bon. gentleman who, he believed, had served in the army
opposing it.
Mr. B. OSBORNE—The hon. gentleman has convinced
me. I will divide against this vote.
Colonel NORTH made some remarks about the Guards'
barracks ; and in reference to a cry of " Divide !" declared
with some warmth that he would not be put down by the
mercantile gentleman who was calling for • division oppo-
site. (Laughter.)
In answer to Mr PAMIR%
Mr. S. HERBERT said that an item of 10,000/. for rifle
ranges was not for the volunteer corps,, but for ranges in the
neighbourhood of certain military statons.
Mr. OONINGRAM took an objection to a charge in the
estimate far Woolwich. Having recently paid a visit to
the arsenal, he was struck with the great amount of building
which bad lately been going on, and of which the utility of •
great part seemed to him very questionable, especially as
it was understood that the depot was to be removed.
Mr. S. HERBERT said that Woolwich would always be
• great military station, even after the contemplated
changes had been carried out.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS observed a chews for making route.
Now, 'as it was complained that the soldiers wanted men-
why not let them do this work and pay them for
o°Tniat would be far better than spending money on gym-
naainma. (Heer, hear.)
Mr. PI OOW said he could make every allowance for the
militaryardour of the gallant oolonelopposite (Colonel North)
who bad just alluded to him If the gallant. colonel were
himself a member of the mercantile community, be would
at least have been more punctual in his attendance when a
military subject was under discussion, and would not have
required information about a matter which had been ex-
plained once or twice before his arrival. (Hear, hear.)
Colonel NORTH begged to say that he had not alluded to
the hon. gentleman opposite at all. (A laugh.) The reason be
was not in the house sooner was because he had imagined
that the barrack question, in which he took a great inte-
rest, would have come on at • later period ; and he should
certainly not have thought of addressing the hon. member
opposite either as a military or as a commercial man,
for he believed he was neither. (laughter.)
Colonel DICKSON should support tbe amendment, if only
to show that it was possible to reject a vote. He had no
objection to gymnasiums, but he thought there were things
that were wanted much more.
Colonel KNOX said that 5,0001. was in reality • very
small sum for so desirable an object as finding the men
some means of amusement.
Mr. A. SMITH remarked that the sum was certa
small, but it was the beginning of a new expenditlue wWoJ
I might
_ become anything but trilling.
hi,aj" S. ,KNUX klied that the right hon. gentleman
' would take SDI jibs. member at his word, and let this vote
be be the beginning. (Hear, hear.)
The committee then divided :
For reducing the vote by the sum of
5,0001.
Against it
The vote was then agreed to
The CHAIRMAN was ordered to report progress, and
the house resumed.

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SPUME BILL.
This bill was committed pro forma.
PIRENIX PARK BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
ANSTRUTHER UNION HARBOUR BILL.
The house went into committee on the above bill, but
immediately resumed.
The committee on th C
e CustomHARITY B s Ads was postponed.
1111 M,.
Mr. LOWE explained that this bill was promoted by the
rector and churchwardens of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields,
with the approval of the Charity Commissioner', to enable
them Indispose of an endowsentleftby Archbishop Valium,
the SIZOCCOMOr of Tillotson, who founded a school and library,
with two bequests of 1,0001. end 5001. for its support,
and
two leasehold houses in St. Martin's-lane. The property
had pertly been dissipated by former trustees ; the hosing
were gme, and the interest of the 1,0001. was all that re.
The library was now rather curious than useful
the school had long be shut up. It was now proreed to
sell the library to the British Museum, and apply the funds
to erect a middle class school for boys in Westminster. The
Archbishop of Canterbury, the visitor, did not oppose the
The bill was reed a second time.
CRIMINAL LUNATIC ASYLUM BILL.
This bill was read a mooed time.
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES BILL.
Mr. BOWYER moved that this bill, as amended, be eon.

sidered.
Yr. NEWDEGATE moved that the debate be postponed.
He protested against legislation on so important a subject
without adequate discussion and consideration, which it was
impoisible A could receive at 20 minutes past 1 o'clock.
The ATTORNEYGENF.BAL rid the amendments
raised points of great importance which required the con-
sideration of the house. He believed it would facilitate
the passing the bill if an opportunity for discussing it
were allowed.
The debate was then adjourned.
INLAND BONDING.

The bonne haviTlitgone into committee at the whole
house, leave wee pren to bring in • bill to authorise
inland bonding under certain circumstances.

RAILWAY CHEAP TRAINS.

On the motion4l6. M. ssox .—. leave was given to
make pawtoal an sot of the 2lst and 22nd years of her
present Majesty to amend the law relating to cheap
trains, and to restrain the exercise of certain powers by
canal companies being also railway companies.

PAROCHIAL VALUATIONS.
On the motion of Sir G. Loma, leave was gives to brim;
is a bill to amend the law relating to parochial vault"' [fin
laMll we mad • And time.
The house adjourned at half-pest 1 o'clock.

BOARD 02 MAD', Warrina.m., Joni 15.—The
Hight Roe. the Lords of the Committee of Pri Council
for Trade and Plantations have received, from the
of State for Foreign Affairs, a tawaslation of a Nra
royal decree, dated the lit ultimo, forwarded Imo
itajesty'• minister at Naples, effecting further red in
the customs tariff of the Two Wellies. The decree may be
inspected on application at the Board of Trade,WhitebalL—
Onsette.