The Express.
London, England, 1859-07-13 00:00:00

LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 13. 1859.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

luntiod °plaices. Hs oraterried enthey in the opinion
that matters of this descriptios ought to be dealt with by a
general bill; bat they bad dealt with them by Orate bills,
and it was bard on this gentleman, he lawns gate to the
ezpenee, that they should tarn round upon him, sad refuse
to pass this bill. With regard to the second objection, as
Mr. Grieve would have the opportunity of purging himself
helmse, a select committee, ha did set thek that on that tr-
uant they should refuse to ppares the bill.
Sir H. VES.DTRY aonsldaod that these cues ought only
to be dealt with by a pure bill.
Mr. STIRLINU supported the bill.
Mr. BRIGHT said, so far as he understood, the promoters
91 this bill pro pos& sending the meter to a committee is
order to s.a.e.', whether the gentleman was under the bat
of hie bishop. He protested against a committee of the House
of Commas moods, upon such a question. (Hear, hear.)
Than was so nimessity for this bill going bike a acounn-
tee. It wee a matter of principle, or Its should rather say—
for be did not know that there was soy principle in It, but it
was a setter of practice—whether an edsoopalian clergymas
ideth of the Tweed sboaid be permitted to hold a living
south of the Tweed. It was a question of free trade Is
clergymen. (Laughter.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said this gentlemen 'could not corns
before theca except by virtue of belonging to the Episcopal
Church of Scotland, bat by the ktplsoopsl Church of Scot-
land he stood condemned. He thought tt extremely doubtful
whether anv of these spoliation. should be putted.
Mr. HOU 'ERIE said this resew was really much mcee
important to the Church of Ragland than at drat dght ap-
peared. The real (location was whaert they were peeped
to make au exception to the guard law. It was time that
they should stop the.e presto bills. It was sot an obsolete
law they wire asked to partially repeal. but It was an eat
pseud in the last century, which provided that cleappun
ordained by a Soottlah bhhop, over whom than was se
shonitl sot bythet ordination be sdatlttol la • elergy=t

HOUSE OF LORDS.-TIIZSDAT, JULY 12.

TN LORD CHANCILLOR took hi* Mt OS ths woolsack
it Ars o'clock.

the Cltandacif B and.
Lord I. MANNERS said the hoe. pattern= was in error
whoa he supposed that Mr. Greive lay nod. r the oensum of
his bishop' on any d ground. All that be had done
was to decline giving an opinion on a matter in which he had
not beard both sides.
Mr. ROEBUCK said it occurred to him that a fair state-
ment of this ease bad not yet been made. (A laugh.) In
the ear of a Roman catholic plied, the law reco=his
and he bad nothing to do bat profess a
cabits*tber the Church of England and be was at anus
fled to hold a benefice. But if a protestant ePi
man of Scotland declared himself to be a conedenntes e 1111•11•
her of the Church of England, they compelled him to go te
an English bishop and be reordained. (Heer, hear.) The
real objection in the present case was this Mr. Grave was
too like a Roman catholic pricer. (Hear, hear.) But they
would admit the Roman catholic priest himself toe benefice,
and why should they not equally admit clergymen ordained
by our protestant ep scope brethren? (Cheers.)
Sir CI. GREY wished to be understood as expressing his
own opinion only; but he should support the amendment.
By the 32nd of George 111., clergymen ordained by the
Scottish bishops were altogether prohibited from officiates
In the Englith church. That act was mad in 1840, and
its pavanes were so far relaxed ma to permit Scotch clerg
men to officiate by the permisdon of the bhthop, bet not
more than two days unless the pernaledoe wee renewed.
There was another tot, by which clergymen in Anglican
oasis, but not ordained by English or Irish bishop, were
allowed to hold benefices in this ; butte that sot
Satoh clergymen were again prohibited m doing so. It
might be that the law required further division ; but aftie
such a recent confirmation as it had received, it ought not to
be repealed without due consideration. The only areumett
which at all weighed with him was the fact, that parliament
had already pared five bills of this kind ; but it was ob-
viously most unfair that the law should be relaxed in favour
of those clergymen who were rich enough to psy the expense
of a private bill, and then when the bill time before the house,
that it should be passed as a matter of course.
Mr. HADFIELD warmly condemned the unfairness of
admitting the orders of Roman Catholics and ignoring the
ministerial visa reeler of Protestant diameters.
Vacant PALMERSTON observed that the debate had
turned ter more upon the merits of the law than of the bill. '
While regretting the inconvenience to which Mr. Grieve had
been put, be should feel it his duty to vote for the aimed-
anent ; but he should be perfectly rawly to enter into an ea-
satiation of the whole law en the subject. (Hear.)
The house divided—
For the essand reeding
Against it 232-148
The bill was Lanka throws out.
THE PEACE.
Mr. DISRAELI—I hove no wish to press urn her Ma-
jesty's government for information which it might be bemo-
aning to give at the present moment ; but lam sun they
will allow the deep interest which the country mast feel
with rasped to the present state of public affairs. I should
be glad therefore to know whether the noble lord hes received
soy communication with regard to the interview which it is
anticipated took place yesterday between the two Emperors,
and whether he can inform the home what has been the
consequence of that interview.
Lord J. RUSSELL—I am happy to state that I received
intelligence about two o'clock this day from the ambassador
- effect that he had re-

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of the Emperor of the French to the
calved a telerrsphie despatch stating that pesos between the
two Emperors was signed yesterday. (Hear, hem.) Since
that time we have received a telegram from Lord Cowley ;
and I think I cannot do better than read it to the house :
The following telegram has bum received :
" Valkggio, July 11, 1859.
" The Emperor to the Emprem.
" Peeve is signed bete eon the Emperor of Austria and me.
The bases of peac I are Italian Confederation under the
honorary presidency of the Pope.
" The Emperor of Austria cedes his right to Lomber ly to
the Emperor of the French, who treaders them to the King
of Sardinia.
"The Emperor of Austria reserves Venice, but she will
form an integral part of the Italian Confederation."
(Chain.) That is the whole that le contained in the tele-
gram, but there Is a further statement which I wish also to
make. There have been rumours in some quarters that when
the condition of peace came to be signed by which Lombardy
should be given up, France would ask on her part, and as a
compsniation for the expense of the war, to have the Savoy
whit to her. lam happy to soy that the Emperor of the
Fees& has made no demand, end that he has made it par-
tially understood that he does not propose to make
any Within to his territory whatever. (Cheery.)
Because any addition to the territory of France, however
besignificant it might be in extent, could not but be viewed
with suspicion end jealousy. Under these circumstsocee, 1
trust that the noble lord (Moho) will not persevere in the
lostlon of which he has given notice, and will give the house
to understand that it is not his intention to persevere with it.
Lord ELCHO wished to state that, though he weld not
admit as • general principle that members of that hone, or
that house, wee to be debarred from expressing opinions
1 upon question of foreign p dicy, be should, under the cir.
cumstanoss, not press the motion which stood in his name.
He should, therefore, on Thursday, ask for leave to withdraw
It, at the same time reserving the right, if it appeared neme-
ses", of explaining the motives which indoced him to place
the motion on the paper.
THE FEEJEZ ISLANDS.
Camel SYKES asked whether the government proposed
to recommend the ecceptanas of the offer of the sovermgoty
et the Fejt'. Islands; and if so, at what additional met to
the Imperial Exchequer above the prevent outlay of above
4,000,0001. per annum for cokatel
Lord J. RUSSELL said it wasPnu=edly true that the
seventipty of the F. ejee Islands bad been very much premed
upon the government—first, by portions interested in the
protoetne of cotton—(hear, hear)—and secoadly, by those
who were Weeded In the Wends on other grounds. The
matte was et must under the consideration of the govern-
ment; mid as wenas any determination was arrived at it
would be salaamed to the bows.
Mr. BRIGHT leaked the noble lord to let the matter eons
before the !mum again b fere any final decision was
(Rest, him.) He knew a little of the want of a supply et
cotton, but be protested against being supposed to ask tar
the sovereignty of the Fees* Islands on that coconut.
THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.
Is reply to • queen°. from Mr. ?assts.:4o,
Sir G. C. LEWIS sad ft wee not the intention of the ge-
vernmeat to Form in the present session any bill altering
the restive posher of the ocoluilseticol commissioners end
the Susses ; bet It was their isteetioa, if the opportunity per
to submit to the house a bill containing some climate
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUESDAY, JULY 12.
The SPIALER task the chair a few minutia before four
ceek•ck.

NEW MEMBERS.
Mr. Scrjeant DEASY, Mr. Vittteree, ant Mr. Milner
01111110 N took the oaths and their seata, on their re-election
be the county of Cork and the boroughs of Wolverhampton
and Ashton-under-Lyne respectively.
ATLANTIC TELEGRAPH COMPANY (No. 2) BILL
On the order of the day for the conaideration of the Lords'
emsadusrate on this bill,
Lied DUNCAN said this bill was very similar to the Red
Sea Telegraph Bill, which they discussed yesterday, and
keine it was disposed of he wished the Secretary to the
Teeesary to explain one of the clauses of the bill, which
✓eemsd to him the most extraordinary he had ever heard of
Is a private bill. Be alluded to the 15th dense, which was
as follows It shall be lawful for the Lord' Commis-
shams of the Treasury and the company by mutual agree.
meat, from time to time to rescind, modify, or alter
:oreement or arrangements now in force under the first
act, or which might be at any time hereafter made
and eoteted into." The effect of this clause seemed to be to
dispense altogether with the necessity of the consent of the
Hones of Commons. It went on to provide, " that for assist-
ing and facilitating the Atlantic Company's undertaking, the
Lords Commiesberre of the Tneenry might, on behalf of her
Majesty and her Majesty'' government, from time to time
makm and enter into such agreement with the openers, as
they might think proper for appropriating and applying any
fixed or varying annual payment or dividend upon all or part
of the present or of any further capital of the company as a
c= of ike dividends of the company." He waked the
of the Treasury whet was the nature of the powers
that were sought to be taken by the Lords of the Treasury
inert this dere in • private bill f
Mr. wino) said the object of the clause to which his
noble Mead adverted was to enable the Treasury to carry out
with the camps' y the terms of the contract which had been
agreed upon by that to
before the present miehory
cams intocidles. The terms of the agreement were in sub-
stance that the gevernessat should guarantee a minimum
dividend of S per omit. oa a capital of 600,0001., the gua-
rantee, however being earthily conditional on the encase of
the undwtskini. The guarantee wee tidy to come Into
effect in ease the cable was laid down eaccessfully, so ea to
work at beet 100 words per hour.
Col. W. PATTEN asked if the guarantee were to con-
tinue, la case the table was broken.
Mr. LAING replied that it would be widened only so
bag as messages could be transmitted at the rate he had
mentioned.
After a few masa' from Sir J. GRAHAM and Led J.
MVS,II6RN
The Lord.' amendments were agreed to.
GREIVE'B DISABILITY REMOVAL BILL.
On the order of the day for the second nadieg of this bill,
Sir A. AGNEW complained that in the bill Dr. Maas
was described se Bishop of Aberdeen, which wee in contra-
vention of the Ecclesiastical Tides Act. Dr. Skinner was •
bishop of the Scottish Episcopal church, but he was not
Bishop of Aberdeen.
Mr. STEUART said
-the general law on this rubject was
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that no priest, unless he Witt ordained se a minister of the i74ZilredieeinTeiieteTh7t-
Church of bland, should be allowed to hold a benefice or MILITIA COMMISSION. hne. oedemas that If It were intended to call in. ,
teelliciate in say church I. Ragland, but • Scottish or ea In soma. to Cow oin GRAT, the contract itself, the attempt would bring disgrace on
American **repel clergyman might be allowed to °Moist* me. 8. HERBERT stated bet this commission bad sent that heave, sad render constitutional government
fro two Sundays in e_ ny diocese. He believed that week= Is their report, sad he hoped to lay floe the table of the immestide.
greatest importance to Ireland,
et ire private bills bad bees pared taking individual ewes hems le a few dime Mr. MIIIATION raid there wife only two Irish members
eat of the tweed law, but be thought there ought to be LAW OP 'DEBTOR AND CREDITOR. cm tbe lid of the committte, while there were three Scotch.
Se mere 01 these Omits bill* Mr. Grain did not come Mr. MURRAY sated tbs Attorney-General wbetber it Th. subject wee one of the
tMe wart with clam beads. He held in his hand mai hie intention to proceed We session with s bill brought and shamed tobefsirlyrepmeented. 'Retreated therigirthoe.
a Wm from •• distinguished dignitary of the Soot- beer the birds. ectituled, "An Act to amend el gentleman would comsat to omit et least two of the mews the Law
ties Sl° Church. whose name be wa• not at liberty Debtor and Creditor, Bankruptcy, Insolvency, end Rump Is the list sad to substitute for them the DAMS of two other
to mettles, and who spoke of this epplication of Mr. ties;' and what were his inteetines in retereece to the milt- Irish members.
Orelve's to he admitted into the English church without law of bankruptcy and its adminiarsiim, end generally in The mak* having base agreed to.
the °wag", of bit blob* el Oa WI of Mem PresoulPtios. to thole. of debtor end creditor, and its amend- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Mr. Globe belosged to • party is the Scottish lipireopel mac'. following names :—ldr. Cobble, Sir Francis Benin, Sir
Chards wise wished to 'Overt its doctrines and forme* The ATTORNEY.OENERAL—It ia not the iotention Stafford Mortheme, Lord John Monsen, Mr. Carry, Sir
eel wbo fie/ the doctrine of traneubetantiation. of the government to proceed with the bill brought down Henri Willoughby, Mr. Boodedeld, lb. Dunlop, Mr. Baxter,
Mrs C ISI'OOURT mid he understood there wen from the other home • but it le their intention, regarding the Mr. Lsieesner Verume, Captain
Ois
detnmk 'Lord Nem. Mr.
two oblation to this bill—the first wee thst if whole 'abject of the law of Cleat, and creditor, and putt. Hublurd, Mr. Hopm Mr. Wilson, Mr. Laing, Mr, Henry
say relief were given it ought to be by • general, end amt by calmly the law of beeline:ocm as now being In a very nn- Herbert, Mr. Crawford, end M. Hanley :—Power to seed
• privets, bill; the Wow *edits wee that Mr. Online held eitiereetee7 .IM., to give the wise aubjeot their most for proms, mere, sad record, ; Mee to be the quorum.