The Express.
London, England, 1858-07-20 00:00:00

LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 20, 1858.

nations was the most Impracticable and dangerous
system that had been Introduced in modem times.
Its prettiest effect wee to substitute people of en in-
ferior position in the place of those who had led oar army
to victoey and had well emanated the affairs of the state.
The Earl of DERBY said that it wee with the palest
possible deference to the opinion of his noble friend, and more
especially en the subject on which he spoke with such great
weight and authority, that he could not coincide with his
ergesamt. He thought that some portion of that argument
was inconsistent with the other part of it. His noble friend
said that competition was for the first time introduced
into the scientific come. The clause, however, did
not introduce the principle of competition. As the
please stood, it did indeed introduce the principle of
competition, but he bad stated that he proposed to
amend the clause by leaving ont the words, "and theoandi-
dales who may be found entitled under such regulations
shall be recnnmended for such cadetships according to the
alder of their proficiency as shown by such examinations."
Os the second reading he had announced his intention to
emit Woes words. The clause provided that candidates were
to be admitted to the artillery and engineers on swings*.
tion, under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of State,
acting with the advioe of his council. lie thought that com-
petition was • mode of appointment which they ought
to watch; but if there was any portion of the Name,
civil or military, in which competition mold be
fairly applied, it wee the scientific branch of the military ser-
vice. The Royal Artillery and the Royal Engineers ware
subject to the strictest competition and examination. There
was competition for entering Woolwich, and competition for
getting out into the army, and they were still liable to be re-
f their conduct and qualtheatioas were not 'detonate
to the promise they had given. If • pawn wee proved
guilty of being ungentlemanly in his hab dissipated in his
tiondeet, his claim was dimllowed, and if than proper
regulations for the examination he could not see that any
• ye incurred. His noble friend had said that there win
strict competition at Addiacombe. He said that we had se-
curity for having gentlemen at Addisoombe. He could not
say that he agreed with his noble friend that because a per-
son happened to be the son of a grocer, a tailor, or
a chessemonger, provided he hid the necessity
qualifications, he should not obtain a communion. (Hear,
bear.) What • man's origin was was nothing,
what was necessary was that he should have
proper qualifications in the way of scientific attainments and
moral character; and if he found a man having those qualifi-
cations, he did not care what was his birth, he was entitled
to obtain the position. The cadets at Addiscombe had coy-
tainly great advantage in the high character of their pro-
fessors. He could not understand on what principle his
noble friend contended that that which was Introduced Into
every department of the civil service at home and of the
royal army, and more rigidly as to the scientific departments
of the royal army, ought not to be introduced into the Indian
army. If they had laid down a atria rale that the men who '
succeeded on examination should take priority of ell others,
it would be subject to many serious objections, but if the
clams only provided that there should be examinations for
persons entering the scientific corps, there was no such objet.
Soo. He could not understand on what principle those who
advocated competition in the civil service, and especially for
the scientific branch of the military memos could object to
the clause which would only give security that many of the
candidates for this service had a large amount of scientific
knowledge necessary to amble them to discharge the
duties.

The Duke of SOMERSET opposed the clause.
Aftor a discussion, in which Berl Granville, the Earl of
Hardwick., the Duke of Newcastle, Lord Criuswordl. Lord
Mcataagle, Lord Brougham, sad Lord Broughton took
part, the committee divided. The numbers were:—Con-
tents, 41, non•contenta, 84; majority 7.
The clause was then 'greed to.
Clauses 35 to 51 were also area to.

The Earl of ELLENBORCILIGH propoeed, ht clause 52,
tie insertion of words piecing it beyond doubt or question
that the expenditure of India should be charged on the
revenue of India alone.

The consideration of the clime was postponed for the
amendment to be printed.
The Earl of DERBY proposed, in clause 53, the insertion
of words with a view to the periodical production before par-
liament of statistical information respecting the moral and
material progress of India.
The clause, as amended, wss agreed to.
After some discussion on clause 65, it was agreed to as
amended. The remsteine chimer of the bill wore a150.../med
to, and the bill waa ordered to be reported this day (T y).
The house adjourned at 12 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONB.--MONDAY, JULY 19.
The &PEA/LI/LW& the chair at 4 o'clock.
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Mr. KENMA7L iroightap the report of the Vomiter
Committee.

matter under their egotism**. thill beamed that the hose*
would not in its excittensitt seem at and an authoritative
decision. But the government having bell time for consider-
ation, and having formed a scheme wtherfa they recommended
the house to adopt, it was met by the him. members for Hud-
dersfield, for Buieshire, and Nmemelleithen-Tyne, with a
serious opposition, and the goverment were told that they
were rushing to & conclusion on a path= which might very
well wait till neat year, as his right hon. fried (Mr. Wortley)
said, he believed, until ihe coal duties expired In 1862. ("No,"
from Mr. Wortley.) Why were they to wait another year P
Some gentlemen seemed to think that this was a new question
On which althea men bed not made up their minds, bat
having had to knit Into the object. he (Lord J. idanonn)
koow that pt _eltilenet bad hen more examined into ea ma.
sidelvd, nu n Out se Ihnogitly thrashed on ea &dot the
main death. el the metropthis. If bon_ . gentlemen wield I
reflect on the oamber el ereunse which bed been pews*
and the quantity of evidenes whisk hid been Isaasfrs flop
ward, they Gould not say that the goventoon were ibeat I.
settle the question in haste. He could thly say that if *
bum we dellbwately of opinion that se decision should le
MSG to ea this question this year, on the Heins
at Cosmos would rest the responsibility of
Isfitaftli it only opportunity of dealing with
subject. the pert of the government he declared then
tiny had bus piped to take the responsibility of Wks,
Ned Um op lihem. snot rest the responsibility of issiodes.
' (Sare heasTbe government was of opinion that the enly
Mid with the question was to be found in the
cis anon of this bill. The hoe. member for Newoeside
mid that this question should be dealt with as a whole by
the government—not only the drainage and purification, bat
the embeakeimat of the Thames ; but the ben. geatleman
did not in the emus at his long and able speech give an
be se to My the government was to pay for all this.
poppet Ina, gentleman give the government the ways
'serf ? Out of whet funds did the hon. gentleman
that the government should do all this? Were
they as a polo and naked despotism to take out
et the pockets of the ratepayers the money re-
quired in area works, or were they to be conskiered
astereriewezpasse, and to be born* out of the consolidated
bear.) If so he (Lord J. Manners) should
deans to be the person to make such a proposition to par-
Names& Then what was left but to invest a great mini-
ar, which, if any thing did, represented the ratepayers
pOwers necessary to effect the required object. FIG had
heard with enquire tho comments which had been made on
lire Metropolitan Board of Works. That body had ori-
ginated with a liberal government, of which the right hon.
gentleman, the member for Kidderminster, was a member,
who had spoken so strongly. of what he called a quasi repre-
sentative body. He (Lord J. Manners) supposed that the
intention of the legislature was to be found In the preamble
of the act, which declared that "it was expedient (or
the better local government of the metropolis in
regard to the sewerage, lighting, and cleansing
thereat." Tim set compelled the Metropolitan Board of
Works to take up the very question of the main drainage and
purification of the Themes. Lethim ask whether the govern-
ment under whom auspices that act was passed believed that
they ware smithy/up asham and a pretence, or • municipality,
or did they believe that they were creating au effective muni-
cipality for the government of this vest metropolis ? He was
bound to come to the latter conclusion and therefore he had
listened with surprise to the denunciations which had been
delivered spinet that body. His right hon. Mend (Mr.
Wortley) said that It was impossible to entrust such powers in
wereproposed by Mahal to the Board of Works, and he said
that he did not know the names of its members. It wee
possible that he did not know their names, but were all oor-
worthless unless his right hon. friend knew the
raerthttet parentage of all their members ? He (Lord J.
Manners) protested against this mode of dealing with the
subject. They found in existence a great municdpality
which three years ago was created for metropolitan porpoise,
end every impartial man would admit that lithe metrepo-
than board bad not corded out a plan for the drainage of
London, the blame did not lie at their door exclusively.
(Hear, hear.) The government had found that the powers
of the Metropolitan Board of Works were not sufficient to
enable them to perform their functions ; and they mine to
parliament and &eked parliament to give them the neces-
sary power. He had abstained on this occasion
from entering on the scientific, and chemical part
of the question, and what had warred that
evening showed the advantage of not entering on that useless
theme. Toe noble lord having urged that honest things
had been said on both sides with reference to the plan of the
Metropolitan Board of Works, and that of the referees of Sir
B. Hall, proceeded to entreat the house not to be led into a
discussion on engineering questions, for if they did they
must constitute themselves a perpetual select committee
on the subject. If they agreed with -him so far, he would ask
them if it was not in vain to attempt to embody in a bill a
Oa for the main drainage of the metropolis. He would ask,
If le was shown that the powers of the Metropolitan Board
of Weeks were got sufficient for that purpose, if the hones
the national should not be
and if "