The Express.
London, England, 1860-04-20 00:00:00

,amity of rejecting any measure sent up by the Holum of
Cumulous, but ho must confess that if he EOM the danger
of the government bill coming up to their lonlakips' home
in its present state and with its present simple, but at the
mine time met dangerous provisions, be should think its
rejection by their lordships, for the purpose of
further consideration of the subject, would be
infinitely preferable to the adoption by the® of
a measure the most unsatidactory, the meet no-
statesmanlike, and the most inconclusive of any ever sub.
mated hr any government on this vest end importaat
subject. It was a measure which, whether for weal
or woe. was one of the most important that had ever
hrn 4,..,1412t before parliament, and was one which, in his
oinw..n. was likely seriously to damage the balsam of the con.
atautso. It was likely to_ produce a Hare of Canino=
ireconcileahle with the feeling of their lordships' house,
and the mull would be collision when it was the bounden
doty .4 every one to preserve hammy. That home must be
either a perpetual obstacle to democratic measures or be
aurnmanly swept sway, and with it the monarchy
and all that was most valuable in oar ancient institutions.
(Hear 1 He did not say this as against, the adoption of the
measure, but he thought it afforded good grounds foe
hanog in the first instance the best possible data and
information.

Fad t/R-kNYI LIE regretted that no information had
been given as to what they were to do in the committee
DOD PMLODA. He revered to hear the noble earl ex-
hope that a nosey from which his own party
place had 'Abbeys all opposition might be
delayed for ass se two senores, and he trusted
that the noble end's week be dimkPond44-
Oa the noble
he that uncle lords
would see the aneenity of &pains of this
worawere wheel the werkmg Aran were
end eanienaeg, end would thee lie able sot to Ina=
to stsmagthea cur institutions. He should go into the tam-
slitter to .14 Inforintioa; but he retested against theMea
that the Made of tbeirserarnent were to be tied up is ni-
prdad the Reform 8111 during any time which the com-
mittee might think proper to sit.
Earl GREY, in reply, said that the noble earl who spoke
last bad nude some refer nee to the part which be took in
Tepid to the bill of 1862, and it him the
resit of explaining that reatter.Vai aharophlained from
her Majedy the newermy penalties to state to the house
what bolt plane in the cabinet of that tine, and hie ex-ph-
antom would he • simph one. He felt Monet ro 'tate that
the ongiaal difficulty upon this subject of reform
arms from the fact—which he believed wee well
tams to all their loid.shomim though not so well
knows to the public y, and it was this,
that Lord J. Rummell, as t head of the cabinet, without
any previous concert with his colleagues, committed himself
by stating in the House of Occsnioes that the time was
eonse when a change might be mode in the measure of
18.12. That statement was made without, so far as he
(Fail they) knew, any communication being made to anyone
of his eolleaguss ; but it was certainly made to the house
without previoea consultation with the cabinet. He (Earl
they) certainly did not approve of the statement, nor was
it approved by the cabinet, except by one or two members
of it. Indeed, the statement met with his entire damp
prima, and the feeling which he entertained won not can-
sealed from Lord J. Rainall, for that noble lord most cer-
tainly knew of et. (Hear.) He (Earl (hey) deeply deplored
the asesseity which stop of the government returning to
eller when the noble earl opposite (the Earl of Derby) could
sot succeed in forming a government. It was with extreme
relactanoe that he did so, on account of the pledge given by
Lord J. Rana by the opinion which be had expressed. He
did not desire to esentene • member of the administration,
Ist he thought, leaking at the circumstances of the time,
that it we ids duty to do an, though be did so distinctly
~rein be himself the right not to be hotted by any mea-
sure of !ekes until he was fully aware of the peopontions,
sad he did net roaceal hi. uninion from his coUsgues that
the time was sot come for making an alteration. When
the session of DIM wan near at hand, a mea-
sure of reform was submitted to the cabinet, but for
hei part he Dever agreed to it, though he woe induced to
allow of its being laid lief,,re parliament and to remain •
seemlier of the cabinet for two masons, Ant, because he
felt convinced the government was on the eve of falling,
and secondly, became he knew that the principal attacks
sweat the government had been directed against the de.
pertinent with which be was eatrusted. He did not think it
would have been honourable towards his colleagues or right
towards himself that at sub • moment he should appear to
run away front the mat which he held: and espeemlly an he
knew the bill had sot the slightest chance of passing, he
agreed to its being brought in. He now felt that be had made
a risme* mistake. He would observe, in conclusion,
that he hairini.t undoubtedly out moved for this committee
with the intention of delaying the passiag of the Reform Bill
tht might that house—) hart—for he thought the committee
world bare time to consider the reference to them sod report
to the house before the measure came before their lordships.
But if the bill should come up earlier than expected, and
before these inquiries were completed, then he thought that
their lonlahiro ought not to proceed with it—the hill ought
sot to he forced forward, without first considering the report
of the committee. (Hear, hear.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR then pat the enextion in the
yowl manner, and declared that the contents bad it.
The house adjourned at a few minutes before half-put
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONB.—THintwAy, Ann 19.
The fiettria took the chair at four o'dock.
The itradfont Wakefield, and Lod Railway Bill wee
red a thinl time sad pared.

THE REFORM BILL.
►[r. E JAME 9 gave notire that this evening he would
ask the noble lord the tote:ober for the City of Loudon
whether, in the event of the Rearm Bill being reed • se-
eped tune this sermon, it wu, the intention of her Majesty's
government at our to procee" with ft, or to agree to any
motion the effect of which would be to rider the subject to
• select committee.

NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
Mr. HEN NEMY a•tked the Chief Secretary for Ireland
what reply hal been ramie by the government to the meet
letter (Pan the Romeo catholic bishops in Latakia on the
subject na to mat education!

Mr. CARDWELL6I77I: reply Ind tees east except a
pr,per acknowledgment of the receipt of that letter.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS,
Lord J. RUSSELL brought up and kid on the table
wine bather correepoodeme reeting to the affair. of Italy.
the motto for r..ug into committee of supply,
Mr. HORSMAN called attention to the state of our
:editions with foreign morels, and &eked some explanation
oo the subject, to show, he said, that the parliament
au I the government of the country were of one mind,
ILA I ron1•11: united in a direct, clear, mod unsuistabehlo
Alluouu,itieut of the policy which England, from
A regard to her own Mterest end honour, was
ileternoued to pursue. He eugicestill certain points
upon wh:ch he desired specitic information, especially the
evict state a the question respecting the enne•iiion of
Savoy. Ile commented upon the despatch of M. Thouvenel
awl the reply of Lunt J. Russell, contending that this
repciLshould have embodied a protest, on the part of
Ya i .1. against the principle that a small state
Its a right to nuke a cession of territory to
u. aboorbin; neighbour without European sanction,
awl affirming that the trmties of 1613 hod been
us:T.-Tablets and trampled uti.ler foot by an act
of Pure aggression. He referred to indications of •
policy on the part of Fiume calculated t 0 umpire apprelle•-
••• In Germans, and urged the whokworne effect which •
protest lir En4bind would have upon that policy, with ri-
fe-ewe to France on the one hand, and the German powers
eau the other. If the government of this country
'Wen not prepared rouse themselves and adopt
• manly Euglis policy, we must expect, be said,
to. see Europe maks its own terms with the con.
quernr o! the world. The in of Switzerland
wan an Lang..-an question. The Swiss were true to them-
selves owl Europe. A. yet they were free, and they hid
reoolvel V..at if they loot their freedom it should nut he by
their own act. They had appealed to Europe, hut they had
•Lai startle! Europe by the declaration that if Europe
aletoiliewil them, in their own cause they were determined,
thiogh single-handed, to brave the colossal power of France
rather than sutler I stint-thin without a struggle. ((,'here.)
They had the spent of our ow:i poet, who mai—
" This land we from our fathers have in trust,
%Oa our children we transmit
The is our maxim. and this our Sat,
"'luau which we um perform in arms we mast.
'V,' read the dictum ILI the infant's eye,
In the virifis mule, and at our feet
detiesth the silent dust of those that were."
Switzer! mil me impede 1 ta tin— that little citadel of free-
st es that had a.. Ins, she-ed with Englandt:.e honour at
erf.ealiug a refuge to the persecuted awl the proscribed.
Sim we. ready to seed forth her little band of patriots and
Mem., wish a devotes not surpamol in hirtorv, to fight
for that came which the gest and the pest a all times
led mid was tine first prase eion which • people °odd ham.
lkoiskl Eagles.' forget her word, wad let them territories
which why had swors to defend be the scene of •
enigedy whirl would darken the age in which we lived,
mil make the mom of Logien,' dmboaawrable in after
lime! He knee it was aoel we could ilo loathing in the
ems ad Switarrleed &slime the intervention if others.
lie rod that in this en.. a.. such intervention 1••• seeded.
.11 we wine tree to oinee:ves we were sore of Prussia rod
liwitorderid ; and is such • cam as this thong allies were
euttiesere„ set to make, but to pervert • war, because the
Emperor of the heath afire not, he loth • cam, make war.
The Pohitr •Maito of Euro:. would sot let him. They
knew that he the Isle war Austria weis • wrouiraioer, and
mihhe opiates sosinised France le that war. ILIA 10 the
one of tlwttaer is would he mainly different. eltableis
was soh eardisin's to give away. It eras Dot pre.
Seeded it was required fox the security of Frame.
It was so art et pure end be use ...minket that
Frame would taut be nlles that her nem, her mosey, and
her ealisliaefee should he merinos/I a each a nese. But thee
it wee mid that we skald to pod risk, that we
were inceming the Asses of war,r mia
;hat war ww a very
dreadful this& last i wee expeeeiee, that it wee iejerioue
to trunk, ••11 that MIMI& was • long way off, ant that it
was of so rusweqWlol4 timiumjh...... who sad it war
ito rue 'meal England's the Rhine wee nocou.
errs of Eiris ;.they woad sty that Belgiumene on am-
mo .4 .anal s ; god if Kest and Murex were
itivedel they would say that Kent mat ',owes were
DA 011,111 of the niamilseturies (Opposition
etieer• p The.- Were set the adviwe t,. liatan to too •
gor.t.soi eh'. lied There ins a maxim that roan who