The Express.
London, England, 1860-07-17 00:00:00

MR: NORMAN, M.P., IN 16.5 e.

The Stroud Journal of April 30, 1839, contains
• full report of the proceediap at the last election for that
borough. On that °cession, Mr. Barnard, a prominent
member of the liberal party in Stroud, in the course of
some aeon-aliens condemnatory of certain of Mr. Hors-
man's votes in parliament, read publicly, and in his pre-
sence, sundry extracts from his early speeches. We dud
the following in the report :
Mr. 13.tmealai—Did he recollect saying that the whip
had bred in and in till all their political stamina was goner
(Loud laughter.) He found Mr. Hoesman made a speech at
Cockermouth, in which he said :
" He was for the abolition of all pluralities ; he would
equalise the bishoprics, and remove the bishops from the
House of Lords."
He (Mr. Barnard) was a nonconformist, but not an enemy of
the church. Long might she flourish, distinguished alike
by the piety of h,r ministers and the zeal of her people ; but
when she was dissevered from the state, then he believed
she would go on unencumbered, and become the glory of
the land. Therefore, when be read Mr. Iforsznan's speech,
he, as a nonconformist, wax glad to find him so liberal, but
he had been exceedingly reserved on this subject mince.
The next extract he would read was the following :
" We were so delighted with the reform of the House of
Commons that we forgot we had a House of Lords that bad
not been similarly purified and corneeted. This ques-
tion must be settled before we proceed spin with any
measure spinet the Irish church. We must have some
improvement iaslesiienssof Levis: Aq Issiaarst plea,
woukl take Welraerrtles .1 wOlifse.:
ToOlit IPS ay--
move the bishops front the House of Lords. (Mach cheer-
ing.) In the third place, all law peers emoted in future I
would create only during life. In the fourth place, I
would allow no peer to have • vote, in matters relating to
the people, who has a pansies, or who lives on the public
money. (Much cheering.) In the fifth place, I would
create no new peers who are not independent in their cir-
cumstanced."

He would like to know how many members of the House
of Lords would be left if that were the cue. (Laughter.)
Mr. KORSWAS —But will
.you state on what occasion I
have changed one of those orations?
Mr. BARNARD said he was prepared to admit that Mr.
Harman had not changed his opinions on that subject,
so far as he knew, in Stroud, because he had never
referred to them on say occasion. (Cheers.) He
did not know what there was in the atmosphere
of Cockermouth that he should there have made state-
ments so liberal, comprehensive, and just, and that, when
he came to the borough of Stroud, in which these were
more dissenters than in Cockermouth—and when the man
most active in bringing him forward was a dissenter—that he
should have made no allusion to the sub'ect. He was led
to believe that Mr. 'foreman entertained the ideas he ex-
premed, and that he was anxious to innoculate the country
I with them ; and it led him astray. On the resolution as
to the Irish church, Mr. Horsman said, of the House of
Loeds

'7fie chief objection urged against Lord John Russell's
resolution was its tendency to bring us into a collision with
the House of Lords. I own that with we woe i 4 preateet
recommendation. For some time past they have systema-
tically impeded the functions of the government, and
stemmed the current of wholesome legislation ; the time
is now come for us to decide how the country is to be ruled,
whether by • liberal majority in the Home of Commons,
or by en illiberal and irresponsible majority in the House
of Cords..

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That was very different from the language Mr. Honmau
held now.

Mr. HOIUDIAN, in the cows' of his reply, said (we quote
the &rued Jouroal)—"Mr. Barnanl read thinp he Lad
said about the House of Lords. Well, he had not changed
any of these opinions ; he adhered to every one of them
now. He was asked why he had not expressed them. For
this reason—that he had been asked about them at Cocker-
mouth, and had not been asked about them at Stroud. He
had gone through a pretty severe examination, but it did
not happen that any gentleman had asked him those par-
ticular questions."

BRIGHTON BLiCTION.