The Express.
London, England, 1867-05-17 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-

MAY Ili.

D 4 the Roust of Loans yesterday the Office of
Juke in the Admiralty, Divorce, and Probate
Courts Bill passed through committee ; and the
Customs and Inland Revenue Bill was read a second
time.
The house adjourned at six o'clock.

'flat. f the n•port ui this evis.le given
by the /MU/ Scw.:

PLINONAL EXPLtNATION.

Several orders of the day and notices having been dis-
posed of,
Mr. LAVA Itl) mac, and avid--Mr. Speaker, I have a very
painful and disagreeable duty to perform. As I was passing
through the lobby just now, I was addressed by the hon.
member for Marylebone in terms so disgraceful that
I do not venture to repeat them. His observa-
tions were entirely unprovoked. Ile came up to me; and
addressed me in hinguage which for the sake of the creditof
the house I will not repeat; and I trust that no gentlenian
in this house except the hon. member would be guilty
of using such words. He not only addreued these words
to ine once, but he repeated them. My only course is to
appeal to you, Sir, and auk you what, under the circum-
stances, I ought to do. I did not address the hon.
member, and his attack upon me w.ol entirely unprovoked,
attributing to me wilful falsehood.
Mr. H. LEWIS—I am not at all sorry that the hon.
member has brought the 'natter of which he complains be-
fore the house. I should be the last person in this house
to offend nulled the law of what I conceive gentlemanlike
demeanour or proper conduct with regard either to
the hon. member for Southwark or any other mem-
her of this house ; but there is such a thing
as trying the patience of members of this house
beyond what they can endure. And when the hon. member
fox Southwark says that the observations which I ad-
dressed to him were unprovoked, possibly in his idea, and
accustomed as he has been, as the house knows, to make
au of very violent if not slanderous language, he may not
think that the word.' which he uses are or can be Wren-
sive to gentlemen of sensitive feeling and honour-
able principles. I was determined not to take
any notice of the language which the honourable
gentleman used at a meeting ,f his constituents the
other evening, in which he called a number of gentlemen,
members of this house, who had conscientiously endea-
voured to discharge their duty to their constituents and
their country, traitors. Ido not know whether such lan-
guage is parliamentary. According to the idea of the
hon. gentleman it may be perfectly right, but I hope that
there is no member of this house, except himself, who
would speak of others in such terms when they have no
opportunity of answering him. As I was going through
the lubby a few minutes ago, after the division, the hon.
gentleman addressed me. Ih ad nut the meet remote ides
of speaking to him, because I thought that if I did I
might possibly make seine reference to what I considered
the very slanderous remark that he had made with respect
to myself, because I think that to call anyone a traitor is
about as slanderous • remark as can well be made.
I suppose that the hon. gentleman thinks that any one
who takes the liberty to think for himself, or to vote
against his party, as the hon. gentleman himself has done
before now, or indeed to do anything, except that which
would suit the hon. member for Southwark, is a traitor.
I do not know what his definition may be, because I have
not read his speech, but these words were reported
to me. Accordingly, when the hon. member in going
through the lobby asked me whether I was afraid
of secondary symptoms—(Laughter.) [Mr. LATARD:
" No, no. It is utterly untrue.") He said to me, " Are
you afraid of secondary yymptoms r [Mr. Laeaan. "In
the lobby!) Yes, in the lobby ; whereupon I did take the
opportunity of stating that I was not afraid of the par-
ticular symptom to which the hon. gentleman referred,
and I also then expressed my opinion of the remarks which
he made to his constituents, and which, as applied to me,
were certainly words of which in Saxon English I expressed
my opinion. I have no other explanation to offer. lam
wholly in the hands of the house, but I think I could do
no less than repudiate in the strongest language which I
could possibly use the very injurious imputation which
the hon. gentleman was pleased to cast upon me and a
number of other gentlemen who conscientiously endea-
voured to discharge their duties.
Mr. LAYARD—I feel bound to rise in explanation. All
I can say is that the hon. member must be dreaming. I
never in the lobby said anything like the words be
has attributed to me. I never dreamt of doing so.
[An HOS. MISIBER—Did you call him a traitor!) I
never asked him whether he was afraid of I
won't mention what. This is utterly and entirely wrong,
and he must be dreaming. There were other members
with me in the lobby, and it is the moat extraordinary
hallucination I ever heard of in my life. As re-
=the other matter, if the honourable member
ht that I had said anything offensive, it
was his duty to have asked me whether I had
been rightly reported, when I should have been most
happy to have given him the fullest explanation, and if I
had said anything offensive, to have made that apology
which one gentleman is bound to offer to another whose
feelings he may have hurt. The other day I was
making a speech to my constituents in Bermond-
sey, and, without my thinking of saying anything
offensive—(a laugh)—some one cried out " Why do not
you turn the bill out? I replied, " How cut we turn
the bill out ? How can you meet an opposing army when
you have 50 traitors in the amp?" It was • mere jocular
(" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) No manlier' voted
against his party more than I have myself in former days,
and if I have said anything offensive to the hon. gentle.
man I beg to offer him my humble apology. It was merely
a joke of the moment, and perhaps reported nakedly
appeared stronger than I meant it. If the hon. gentle-
man had addressed me upon the subject, I should have
been happy to have explained it ; but nothing that I have
said could justify him in using the language which ho
employed.
Mr. H. LEWIS—As the hon. gentleman has said that
he meant nothing offensive to me or any other gentleman,
and that if I had asked for an explanation of his words
he would have made any apology which would have been
satisfactory to me, I can only say that I regret very much
that I did not ce that course, which would have given
the hon. gentleman the opportunity of doing what
he has now done. Nut having done that in
the first instance of course places me in the
wrong ; and after the handsome way in which the
hon. gentleman has explained the words of which he
made use and the interpretation he has pee upon them--
the jocular manner in which he spoke—l have not the
slightest hesitation in withdrawing the words of which I
made use. which I hope will be equally satisfactory to the
hon. gentleman.
Mr. LAYARD—I think I have a right to ask the hon.
gentleman to withdraw the statement that I addressed
him in the lobby in the terms that he has mentioned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Thestansv, MAY N.
IN the House of COMMONS the CH ANC MAME of
the Exciarateee, on being asked by Mr. D. Giittith
whether, in order to provide increased repro-
mutation for Scotland, it is the intention of go-
vernment to add to the present ber of the
members of the House of Commons, replied in the
affirmative, by saying that it was intended to give
more members to Scotland, and nut to take any ;
from England or Ireland. In reply to another
question, by Mr. IiENEA.:E, ho stated that a boun- ,
daries col ttttt ion, consisting of five commis-
si tttt ers, would be appointed, and that Lord Evers-
ley hail consented to act as chairman of that mom-
mission, and that the other commiss. .rs would be
appointed in communication with him.
On the order of the day for the second reading
of the National Debt Bill, Mr. H. B. SHERIDAN
moved as an amendment that a further reduction
of the duty on tire insurances would be a better
disposal of the surplus of the revenue for the pre-
sent year than the creation of terminable annuities,
proposed by the bill. He contended that to tax
tire insurances was impolitic, unwise, and unjust ;
and that the policy ought to be to remit the worst
part of the present taxation, rather than devote
the surplus to paying oft the natiemd debt.
Mr. HI:BEARD supported the amendment. He
thought the mode of paying off the debt by
terminable annuities was an undesirable mode ;
and that to continue the duty on fire insurances was
unjust and injurious. Ho did not think the
government would ever be able to place terminable
annuities in the market so long as the income tax
was levied, as it now was in effect, both on capital
and income. Besides, ho submitted that it was
not desirable that the savings banks should have
their funds locked up in terminable annuities,
because if there was a drain upon them, though
they would have a valid security they would have
no means of meeting it.
Mr. T. HANKEY supported the bill. It provided
a simple means by which twenty-four millions of
the national debt would be paid off in seventeen or
eighteen years.
Mr. Lam; contended that the true policy was
to reduce or repeal taxes, and let the money fruc-
tify in the pockets of the people ; and that this
course, as experience showed, conduced much
more to the prosperity of the nation than the
application of the money to the reduction of the
debt.

Mr. GLarerroms said there were many taxes
which ought to be repealed before they meddled
with the duty on tire insurances. One was the
tax on corn, which was preventing this country
from being what it ought to become—the great en-
trepot of corn from all parts of the world ; and there
were license duties which were most impolitic.
The argument of Mr. Laing went against applying
any portion of the revenue to the payment of the
national debt. It had been the policy of the go-
vernment for the last hundred years to devote a
portion of the revenue to the reduction of the debt,
and this bill was only carrying out that policy.
The objection that the incidence of the income tax
operated unjustly against those annuities did not
apply, because the annuities were not thrown on
the market, and the tax was not levied on them.
Mr. T. CAVE agreed with the object of the bill,
but disagreed with this mode of paying off the
debt, and suggested a tax on coal levied at the pit's
mouth.
Mr. Gosar thought this bill could not do much
harm, but it had not been shown that it would do
much good. It was merely a sham contract, which
could be put an end to at any time, between one
department and another, with the result of the
public being called upon to pay 1,056,0001. more
than it otherwise would. Ho thought it preferable
to pay off so much of the debt every year in a
straightforward manner.
Mr. Arrows and Mr. READ followed in support
of the amendment ; and Sir F. CROSSLEY and
Mr. Alderman &Loyola in support of the bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it had
been the policy of our most able financiers for a
long period—certainly for 50 years—to deal with
the debt by terminable annuities. This year ter-
minable annuities to a considerable amount fell in,
and as the government had a surplus they thought
it right to apply that surplus in following out the
policy which had been so long pursued. The crea-
tion of terminable annuities had contributed much
to the reduction of the debt. It would have been
difficult to have carried out the French treaty but
for the falling in of some terminable annuities at
that time. It was incorrect to say that this was a
sham contract. It was a real contract. Twenty-
four millions of debt would at once be cancelled,
and a terminable annuity, which was a real an-
nuity, would be created. The difference between
a sinking fund and terminable annuities was shown
in this, that while the sinking funds had all evapo-
rated, the terminable annuities had gone on and
effected their purpose.
On a division the second reading was carried by
162 to 38.

Mr. H. LEWIS—That is impossible.
Mr. DLSRAELI—Having listened very impartially to
what has taken place, I think the account of the bon. mem-
ber for Southwark appearato be the right interpretation to
put upon the affair, and that the hon. member for Margie-
bone was dreaming. Looking at the clock—(it was now
• quarter past two)—it does appear to me that hallu-
cination is the only term wo can apply to the
narrative of what has taken place. But it seems after the
mutual explanations that have taken place that this matter
need never have been brought before the house at this hour
of the night, when time is very precious. It appears
that between the two hon. gentlemen feelings of reciprocal
respect still prevail-(laughter}—sad I do not know what
more we can desire. We are, lam sure, all anxious not
to cultivate anything but good feeling towards each other.
The interpretation which I put upon the communication
which has been made to you, Mr. Speaker, is that some
expressions have between two members of the
house, liable on passed
to an interpretation not of a
pleasing character, but that, after the expression
of their feelings, they both agree that nothing
has occurred but what, upon the whole, may be
received in a manner which will leave them for the future
no sentiments of disregard and no unpleasant feeling.
(Renewed laughter.) I hope, sir, that you will decide that
it is unnecessary to take any further notice of the matter.
The SPEAKER—I will only add one word, to say that
I hope this house will not again be made the theatre
of such expressions. Whatever may occur out
of the house, this is not the place—(bear, hear)—for
such observations as I understand are admitted to have
been made. I trust there will be no recurrence of such
proceedings. (Hear, hear.)
The other business was disposed of, and the house
adjourned.

On the order for going into committee of supply,
Mr. WHITBREAD called attention to the system
of recruiting for the army. lie said the commis-
sion on the subject recommended that on re-
enlistment the men should have an increase of pay
of 2d. a day, but government proposed to give
only an increase of Id. Then, with regard to first
enlistments, the great objection to the present
system was, that men were entrapped into the ser-
vice under (Abe pretences. They were subject to
stoppages with which they were not previously made
acquainted, and great dissatisfaction was the con-
sequence. The promise of the increase of pay by
2d. a day had gone too far for the house to recede,
but they had not got rid of the question of stop-
pages. He thought it desirable that they should
give a fair trial to that system of enlistment which
had been so successful in the navy, and he moved
a resolution to that effect, and that the terms of the
service should be fully explained to the recruit on
enlisting.
Sir J. PABINOTON said the system of recruiting
was open to objection, but declined to enter on the
subject now ; he promised to make careful inquiry
into it, and also to consider the suggestions of the
hon. member.
Captain VIVIAN thought the subject of military
reform ought to be taken into consideration along
with that of recruiting. Apart from the regimental
organization, which was perhaps better than that
of any other army, nothing could be much worse
than the present military administration.
After a short discussion,
The Marquis of HAKTINGTON thought the house
had reason to complain that the Secretary for War
declined now to enter into the discussion. He did
not see why they should not agree to that part of
the resolution which affirmed that the terms of the
service should be explained to recruits before en-
listment. He thought there was some objection to
giving the additional 2d. a day to the militia. He
suggested that the vote for the army should be taken
to-night, and the question of the militia and army
reserve should be deferred.
That part of the resolution which requires that
the terms of the service should be explained to
recruits was then agreed to, and the house went
into committee of supply, and a vote of 415,000/.
for increase of pay to the army, and inure efficient
increase of recruiting, was agreed to.
After which the house resumed.
Further progress was made in committee with the
Court of Chancery (Ireland) Bill ; and the other
orders were disposed of.

TESTIMONIAL TO MR. PEABODY —At • meeting,
yesterday, the Court of Common Council, upon the mo-
tion of Mr. John Finley, seconded by Mr. J. Richardson,
unanimously agreed to grant one hundred guineas in aid of
the fund for erecting a testimonial to Mr. George Peabody
for his munificent gift of 210,0001. for the benefit of the
working classes.
ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS OF ENGLAND.—
The following members of the college having been elected
fellows at previous meetings of the council, were admitted
as such yesterday afternoon, viz. :—Messrs. Thumps Bat-
ten, of Coleford, Gloucesterahire, diploma of membership
dated May 18, 1827 ; and Richard Jones, M.D. St. An-
drew's, of Newtown, Montgomeryshire, June 9, DM. At
the same meeting of the council Mr. John Clay, of Bir-
mingham, attended, and received from the president the
Jacksonian prize, awarded to him for his essay on oriels-
tomy ; pathology and diagnosis of cases suitable for this
operation. Sir William Lawrence, IMrt., who has been a
member of the Court of Examiners since 1840. and has
twice filled the president's chair, has resigned the post of
examiner, and will, it is generally expected, be succeeded
by the next senior member of the council, Mr. Samuel
folly, F.R.S., surgeon to St. Thomas's Hospital, a gentle-
man deservedly well known from his numerous and valu-
able contributiona to the advancemuent of medical science.
Early in the miming month Professor Hancock will com-
mence his annual came of lectures on the anatomy and
surgery of the foot.
CRYSTAL PALACE. ONE SHILLING DAT.--.
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ditto hy moon tickets. 808; total visitor,, 2.209.

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Shortly before the house adjourned,
Mr. LAYA&D called the attention of the Speaker
to certain offensive expressions which had been
applied to him in the lobby by Mr. H. Lewis.
Mr. Lewis gave his view of the transaction,
which materially differed from that of the hon.
/member for Southwark.

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